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COURT CIRCULAR. CHIEF JUSTICE—Let us take down his answer corrected, and see what it is. What is your answer, Mr. Ross ?—I have taken a full note of all that I considered important and ma terial in that speech ; for instance, I will give you, my Lords, an example of the sort of notes I took. When I came to a passage in the speech which I considered material I took it down ; for instance, there is a passage in the speech of Mr. O'Connell, when speaking of the Union, where he states that trade and manufactures had fallen off greatly in consequence of the blighting effects of the union. I considerei that ma terial, and took it down. COUNSEL—The falling off of trade and manufacture is rather material certainly for this country. Judge CaAmrrox—lf I understood you correctly, your an swer is this—you took a portion, or part, of the speech, ver batim, and other portions of it you made a summary of?— Yes, my Lord, that's it exactly. Judge CRAMPTON—Then, you can't give the words of the portion of what I call the summarypart of the speech, can you? —I frank] confess I cannot ; nor do I pretend to do so. CHIEF JUSTICE—In the summary which you took down, I suppose you put down a catch-word, did you will give you an explanation of the manner in which I took the notes. When Mr. O'Connell came to particular passages, I took up the words he uttered; for instance, he says here, " There is another bill of indictment against the Government, and he (Mr. O'C.) also read a letter from Smyth O'Brien. He (Mr. O'Connell) said the Welch committed crimes and they were favoured with an inquiry ; the Irish committed no crimes, and were, on that account, denied their rights." CHIEF JUSTICE—WeII, Sir ?—Those are what I call heads, or the summary of two or three sentences, but I did not take the precise words uttered on the occasion. CHIEF JUSTICE—WiII you take on yourself to swear, to the best of your skill and judgment, that what you did take down contains the substance of what was spoken on that oceasion ? It contains the substance of what.was spoken, certainly. Mr. HENN—If I understand you right you have taken a verbatim note of what you thought to be material in the speech, and a summary of the remainder of the proceedings. Now, will you take on yourself to swear, that in the summary you have taken you have correctly taken the substance of what RIB said? Why the topics—(the end of the sentence was lost, as the witness spoke so low). Mr. O'CeNNELL—Raise your voice, 'Sir ; the end of your sentence is always lost, for you let your voice fall so short, and so low, that no person can hear you. Mr. HENN—I want to know from you, Mr. Ross, if you pre tend to swear that you have correctly taken the substance of what Mr. O'Connell said in the discussion of the topics on which he spoke?—l have not taken a full note of the substance of the comments he made, but I took down the heads. Mr. HENN—Then you did not take a full note of the com ments he made ?—No, I did not. Mr. HENN—Then, can you supply from memory the sub stance of the comments which he made use of ?—Yes. I would be enabled to do so on referring to my notes. Mr. HENN—Did you not swear, Sir, five minutes ago that you could not give the comments ?—No, I did not. Mr. HENN—You swore you could not depose to the sub stance of the comments most assuredly ?—ln general I can swear to the substance, but with reference to passages of the comments I do not pretend to give the precise words that were used by Mr. O'Connell. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said there was a preliminary question to be settled, and on which he was entitled to the judgment of the Court before the discussion went further. If the witness said he could give the substance of the comments, or the language of Mr. O'Connell on that occasion, they had a right to get it from him by reference to his book and memory. If the witness was not able to depose to all that was said on that eccasion from beginning to end, it ought not to be con tended that he could not state such portions of the speech as he could depose to fully, and to give the portion of which he took the substance. It was a new proposition to say so, and one that he ventured to assert was not to be found in anylaw book. They had a right to get from Mr. Ross any portion of what Mr. O'Connell did say, and then let the gentlemen on the other side get the remainder from him if they pleased, and not presume that they (the Crown) could cot get what they really were entitled to, and could give in evidence. Mr. HENN—Why, strictly speaking, you could not use the notes taken by the witness at all, except to refresh his memory ; if there was a written publication given in evidence they might read a portion of it, and it would be then for us to use the re mainder of it ; but when a witness takes a partial note of pro ceedings, he is not entitled to use it. By the strict rule the witness could examine his notes to refresh his memory, and he , must rely on that then. ' Judge CRAMPTON—I think you confine your objection to the short summary taken of the speech by the witness, or do you extend it to the words that he is really able to swear to ? Mr. HENN—I object to his entire evidence, unless he has taken a full note of all that passed, and I therefore submit his evidence cannot be received. Judge CaAarrToN—l understand ; that is quite sufficient. CHIEF JUSTICE—We will admit the evidence, considering that we are eating in conformity with the well-known principles of the law. Sergeant WA R REN —Proceed, and state as fully as you can, from your notes, the speech of Mr. O'Connell ; and when you come to the portions which you have not taken fully, or where your notes are imperfect, state so. The witness proceeded to read the speech of Mr. O'Connell for a few minutes, and then, ad dressing the Court, said, "Now, my Lards, I have come to the point at which my notes are rot so full—shall I read them ?" Mr. Justice CRAMPTON—Do you object, Mr. Henn? Mr. HENN-1f the witness can give the substance and mean ing we do not, my Lord. We call upon him to go on. The witness then proceeded to read—" The Union was not a compact or agreement. It is not valid. But it is said, that although it was carried by the foulest and most atrocious means, that it has worked well for Ireland. I deny th , t. From the Declaration of Independence, in the year 1782, up to the year 1799. there never was a country progressed more rapidly, and I have the authority of Lord Clare to that effect. Before Emancipation, no man spoke of repeal but myself ; I always looked upon the Relief Bill only as the means to an end—but a step to repeal— and lest that should happen, which has since happened, namely, that I should be accused of suppressing from the people of England my intention ultimately to seek for it, I . always de clared my determination. In my address to the electors of Clare, in the year 1828, a contest which was of such import ance in effecting Catholic emancipation, I distinctly put it forward as an inducement to the electors to vote for me, and I promised that if I obtained a seat in Parliament I would bring the measure before the house. I have now, for the last time, vindicated myself ft om the charge of concealing my intention, and I will read an extract from Mr. O'Driscoll's book, dedi cated to the Marquis of Lansdowne." The witness then said he had not taken a note of the extract. Mr. HENN—Are you able, from memory, to give the sub stance of that extract am not. Witness then proceeded to read the remainder of Mr. O'Connell's speech, where he stated that from the year 1800 to 1828 the British Constitution was only in existence in Ireland during an interval of five years, and stated Mr. O'Connell referred to various Acts of Parlia ment passed during that time. Mr. Ilearx—Are you able from memory to supply the sub stance of what was said?—No. Mr. HENN—I understood you to say you could?—Mr. O'Connell quoted several Acts. Sergeant WARREN, for the Crown, submitted these inter ruptions ought not to be allowed. •Vitness proceeded to read the portion of Mr. O'Connell's speech, where he relied on the vast falling off in the trade of Ireland. " There were more cattle sold at Ballivasloe before the Union than since. There was not one head of cattle ex- Wncnson, SUNDAY.—Yesterday morning her Majesty and Isis Royal Highness Prince Albert took their customary walk in the grounds about the Castle. The Royal Family were taken for their usual airings; the Prince of Wales and the Princess Alice in a .carriage, and the Princess Royal in the neighbourhood of the Castle on a pony. His Royal Highness Prince Albert hunted with his harriers at Salt Hill, attended by Sir Edward Bowater, Captain Me) , moll, Mr. G. E. Anson, and the Hon. C. AMurray. The Duke and Duchess of Buckingham and Sir Robert and Lady Peel took their departure from the Castle yesterday. Lady Caroline Somers Cocks and the Hon. Miss Frances , Devereux have succeeded the Hon. Misses Liddell and Hamil ton as the Maids of Honour in Waiting on her Majesty. This morning her Majesty and Prince Albert, the Ladies and Gentlemen of the Royal Suite, and the Household, attended Divine service in the private chapel. The Hon. and Rev. C. Leslie Courtenay officiated. The Rev. Gentleman took his text from the 13th chapter of the 2d of Corinthians and the 14th verse. In the forenoon the Queen and Prince Albert, accompanied by the Duke of Cambridge, took their early walk in the pre cincts of the Castle. Her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent and her Lady in Waiting, and Sir George Cooper, attended Divine service to day in the parish church. The Rev. Mr. Carter (Rector of Clewer) officiated, preaching a most excellent sermon from the 20th and 21st verses of the 17th chapter of St. Luke. The Royal Family were taken out to-day. Their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and the Princess Mary, have arrived at the Castle, on a visit to her Majesty. Her Majesty and Prince Albert, it is expected, will remove to town in the early part of the week after next, for the open ing of the session of Parliament. His Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge arrived in town on Saturday morning from his residence at Kew. His Royal Highness left Cambridge House, on a visit to the Queen, at Windsor Castle. Her Reyal Highness the Duchess of Cambridge left her residence, at Kew, yesterday, for Windsor Castle, on a visit to her Majesty. A Cabinet Council was held at two o'clock on Saturday afternoon, at the Foreign-office. The Ministers present were Sir Robert Peel, the Duke of Wellington, Lord Wharncliffe, the Duke of Buccleuch, Earl of Aberdeen, Lord Stanley, Sir James Graham, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Earl of Haddington, Earl of Ripon,Gladstone, Mr. Sir H. Hardinge, and Sir E. Knatchbull. The Council b roke up soon after five o'clock. Sir Robert and Lady Peel arrived at their residence in White hall-gardens on Saturday morning, from a visit to her Majesty, at Windsor Castle. Mr. J. S. Brownrigg, Governor of the Australian Agricul tural Company. had an interview with Lord Stanley on Satur day at the Colonial-office. The Governer of the Bank of England and the Deputy-Go vernor had an interview with Sir Robert Peel and the Chan cellor of the Exchequer on Saturday. Dispatches :were received yesterday at the Colonial-office from the Governor of New South Wales. Sir James Graham visited Sir R. Peel on Saturday. Lord Melgund arrived at Farrance's Hotel, Belgrave-street, oil Friday. Mr. and Mrs. Vivian also arrived on Friday at Farrance's Hotel. IRELAND, THE STATE TRIALS. FIFTH DAY. (FROM OUR OWN REPORTERS.) DUBLIN, FRIDAY, JAN. 19. COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH. THE QUEEN V. DANIEL O'CONNELL AND OTHERS. The Court sat this morning at ten o'clock. Mr. O'Connell, attired in the bar costume of a Queen's Counsel, entered Court shortly before ten, and took his seat in the inner 133. r. The other two traversers were also punctually in attendance. The jury having been called over, and answered to their names. Mr. Ross, whose evidence occupied a considerable portion of yesterday, was again called and examined on the part of the Crown by Sergeant Warren—He deposed that lie was present at a meeting of the Repeal Association, which took place on the 28th of August ; that meeting was at tendeal by three of the traversers—Mr. O'Connell, Mr. John O'Connell, and . Mr. Ray ; witness has a note of Mr. O'Connell's speech on that occasion, in which he adverted to a plan which he had introduced at some previous meeting, for the reconstruction of the Irish Parliament.—(Read the ex tract in question from Mr. O'Connell's speech.) Has not in his notes a copy of a letter read that day from Mallow, but thinks he has a detailed manuscript copy of it. This manu script was written partly at tha Association, and partly from my notes. Look and see if you have a letter dated from Mallow, and purporting to be written by Richard Barnet Barrey, which was read at that meeting. Witness (reading from his short-hand notes)—Mr. O'Connell observed, on reading a letter containing subscrip tions that alluded to the Queen's speech, " that the speech from the Throne was merely a Ministerial production, and deserved to be characterised, as it was by the Morning Chronicle, as the essence of stupidity." He then adverted to the plan he proposed at the last meeting for the constitu tion of the Irish Parliament, and he said he would take up as the basis of it the census returns of 1831, which could not be supposed to have been framed for any purpose connected with the repeal of the union. He was disposed to adhere to that census, except where it was mentioned that some error existed in the details. He had received a letter from Mallow— .‘..r. Sergeant WARREN—That ' s what I want. Where is that letter ?—I have not a copy of it ; it is not here. Sergeant WARREN—WeII, we cannot help it. What did Mr. O'Connell say in reference to that letter?—He said that he thought that a fair case was made out for giving Mallow two Members, and he proposed that the letter should be referred to a committee, to inquire whether any change should be made in the plan with reference to that town, which was agreed to after some further observations. Mr. HENN—Have you any notes of what you call further observations ?—I have read them. Witness continued to read from his notes the speech of Mr. O'Connell, the ma terial parts of which are as follow :—" There are many candidates for the Preservative Association. Gentlemen of the first fortune and of the highest rank are daily proposing to me that they should be named as candidates for it ; there will be no difficulty whatever in getting 100 gentlemen. I am speaking entirely by anticipation. We must keep within the letter and spirit of the law. I am not at present prepared, nor do I think it necessary, to open the scheme of the Preservative Association • but I am working out my plan for the constitution Of the Irish House of Com mons, when it shall be established by Act of Parliament, or by the exercise of the prerogative of the Crown. lam working slowly but surely. lam working for the Irish nation, and want to satisfy them with my progress. I will give - way if any body will show me that I h - avis taken a false step— the way to avoid it is to proceed gradually, and therefore I will confine myself to the appointment of Repeal Wardens." Were you present at the Association on the 29th of August, the following day ?—Yes. Now, will you look at, your notes, and say how many of the traversers were present ?—I have none but Mr. O'Connell on my notes. Did Mr. O'Connell, upon that occasion, say anything on that part of the Queen's speech relative to her determination to maintain the union between England and Ireland ? He. said, " It is now my duty Mr. HENN—Is that the beginning of his speech? Wit ness—lt is. Mr. HENN—Did you take full notes of what occurred at that meeting, and the one before it ?—I took a full note of various matters that occurred. Mr. HENN—Where is that note ? I have not a full note of all that occurred. If you will allow me I will explain. Mr. HENN-4 would rather you would answer me. Did you take full notes of such portions as you thought material ? —Yes. Have you those notes here?—Yes. Those are the short-hand notes ?—Yes. Mr. HENN (addressing the Court)— I respectfully submit that he is not at liberty to use those notes. Sergeant Waa.a.EN—Mr. Henn, my Lord, is under a mis conception. Mr. HENN—Pardon me, I am not. Mr. Justice CRAMPTON—What is the exact effect of what the witness has said? Mr. HENN—He said he did not take full notes of all that passed at that meeting, but only such portions as appeared to him to be material. I submit that he is not to be a judge of materiality, and that he must have the whole proceedings on his notes in order to give evidence on any part. Sergeant WARREN—I will leave it to the Court. CHIEF JITSTICZ—H the witness swears that he gives the substance of what was :o spoken, according to the best of his skill and judgment, the Court will admit that evidence—other wise no note could be admissible that the witness was not able to swear was literatim et verbatim. I ported then for every 800 exported now. The Irish people consumed them, and did not export food. He took the trou ble to look over Lord Brougham's speeches, and Mr. O'Con_ nell referred to several passages. Also the report of the Poor law Commissioners—number of destitute poor in Ireland-. comparative number of Protestant and Roman Catholics—that the Welsh, who committed crime, were much better treated than the Irish, who committed none. He proceeded to give a summary of the conduct of Ministers during the last session of Parliament, which closed NS ith a speech of an extraordinary nature, and said he was greatly pleased with the Morning Chronicle, which he was not generally in the habit of being from the way in which it described the speech. It stated the speech was the very essence of stupidity or impudence, he forgot which, for his part, he thought it contained both. He would not banish the impudence from the stupidity, or the stupidity from the impu dence, but rather have both combined. He denied any inten 'ion of speaking disparagingly of the Queen. He separated her acts from those of her Ministers. Kings condescended to scold and Queens to speak hastily of him. He called a Minis terial speech base, bloody, and brutal, and he never retracted what he had said. The present was a Ministerial speech. They could not help giving it utterance. But he blamed the Minis ters for not having advised the speech to be given by commis mission, and not have compelled her Majesty to speak it. But she could have expected no better from them. At the very commencement of her reign the vilest insinuations issued frees their villainous press. A dropsical complaint of one of :the ladies of her Court gave rise to statements which out raged every feeling dear to a child or woman, and which he would not venture to repeat in the presence he was in. Did they not inflame the mind of the English public, until a mis creant thought he would be doing a good act to shoot the Queen? He loved the Queen, the object of his kindliest affections, and, consequently, with his station, felt towaids her the tenderness of a parent. He thought it was cruel towaxds the people of Ireland to disturb the affection they entertained, by making the Queen utter this speech, and make them be lieve they never trusted the English, but were deceived.. If they had given the speech by Commission, he would not blame them ; but all should recollect this was not the speech of the Mr. HEWN—We don't require liberatim et verbatim ; but Queen, but the Ministers ; but there was nothing in the speech we require the substance of all that passed, and without the to retard, on the contrary, it should rather stimulate their ex whole he is not entitled to give evidence of any part. ertions. They had now the additional motive to rescue their Sergeant WARREN—That is certainly the most novel posi- beloved Queen from the hands of those Ministers. He be tion I ever heard asserted. lieved if it had not pleased God to give her a family, her life Mr. Justice Bee:row—Suppose that no note had been taken was not safe among them. The Queen's family had this at all, but that a witness came to give ev id ence o f cer t a in pecu li ar mer i t , th at they stopped the irregular ambition of things he heard said, would nut that be admissable although one who it was frightful to think would come to the throne. he might not recollect every word? Nature had placed their innocence as a barrier against the Mr. Justice CR.AMPTON—Aye, or every sentence ? worst calamity that could be inflicted on the nation. Oh I Mr. Justice Buserow—lf the witness was present at a time thank Heaven, there is that security against the worst evil that when particular expressions were made use of by particular could possibly happen. We have a double motive for our persons, surely that would still be evidence? exertions—to rescue the Queen from those miscreants, and Mr. HEWN—That would be a very different thing, for in our country from tyranny. We have the two highest motives that case we might examine his memory; but, if a person that can give energy to human action, love of country and al goes deputed, as the witness announced he was, by the Govern- legiance to a woman. Rally, then, with me, and hurra for the ment, and takes notes, he ought to be able to produce them— Queen. I now come to the Ministers' speech, and Peal, Wel not garbled extracts. We are entitled to the whole of what lington, Stanley, and Graham. What a scene for the com passed at that meeting, and not to part. queror of Waterloo, with the Queen in his hands, to make such Sergeant WARREN—The witness has said that he took a a speech to Parliament. She is made to whine out something full note. half-piteous and half-imploring about the zeal of her subjects. Mr. HENN—IIe has said that he took notes of such portions The Queen is made to say, I have done something for the good as he thought material. of the Church, about being unable to do more, and leaving the Sergeant WARREN (to witness)—Have you taken a note, to rest to the zeal of her subjects. The Duke of Wellington, if the best of your skill and judgment, of Mr. O'Connell's speech poor Napoleon had been alive to witness his defeat (then H on that occasion?-- I have. I believe I have the entire. I lowed some references to the Church of Scotland and can always tell when I have taken a thing consecutively, and the disturbances in Wales). It is my opinion that when I have taken only the heads of the subject; the Govern- the Legislative Union is inconsistent with any good went accepted my services on one condition. object whatever—that instead of being essential to Mr. HENN—Now, don't make a speech. I object, my the strength and stability of the empire, it tends to Lord, to this witness going on. He swears he did not take all produce weakness and decay—that instead of being a bond of of the speech. connexion between the two countries, it is the very thing which Sergeant WARREN—If Ido not mistake, he swore he had puts t h e cont i nue d con nexion in jeopardy. Ci rcums t ance d as taken a full note. • Ireland is, I am perfectly convinced that if the union is not Mr. HEWN—Pardon me-- repealed by legal and constitutional means, and above all, if it Mr. O'CoNNELL—Let Sergeant Warren ask the question does not take place during my life-time, the result will be a san again. guinary struggle for perpetual separation, and God forbid that Sergeant WARREN (to witness)—Have you taken the entire any unjustiCable means should be used. Ido not say this is a of that speech ?—I know I have, because it's a ll consecutive. natural or unavoidable result ; all I say is, while I live I hope Mr. HENN—AII consecutive ! my countrymen will not despair. As long as I live, at least, I Witness—l can always tell when I have taken only a branch will struggle legitimately and constitutionally ; and I bequeath of a speech. to those who follow me their own course of proceeding. He Witness then took up a bundle of notes. concluded by a motion for a committee to prepare an address to Mr. HENN—Now, tell me are those full notes, or loose ab- be placed before the Queen and all her subjects. streets, in them ?—I cannot depose to a fact of which I know Sergeant WARREN—Was the motion agreed to ?—Yes. nothing.—( Roars of Laughter.) H ave you taken a memorandum of any approbation or disap- The witness, in reply to Sergeant WARREN, said I have probation of any part of that speech ?—No. I was present at not as yet seen my notes at a ll . so that there m a y be a blank a meeting of the Association o n th e 4th o f September. Mr. in them, or there may not be a blank in them. O'Connell, Mr. Ray, Mr. John O'Connell, and Mr. Steele,.were Sergeant WA KREN—Leok at your note-book, and say if you present. Mr. O'Connell spoke at the meeting. have taken an entire note of Mr. O'Connell's speech on that Th e witness then commenced readi ng hi s note o f w h at M r. occasion or not ? ( The witnes s looked at his ot O'Connell notebook some time and said)—[ don't think I have a full note .book for of all t o the meeting w hich was to take place at Clontarf on the tati that occurred that day ; but I have taken such a note as enables of October and to the prospects of success for th e repea l . H e then referred to the Queen's Speech, a n d th e e ff ect wh i c h it me to give a description of it. Sergeant WA RREN—I submit, my Lord, we are entitled to produced on the Irish mind. The Ministers dared rot to make have this evidence, and it will then be for the jury to say how that speech till the end of the session, when it could best be ex the will receive it. posed to view. A weak and miserable Ministry was incapable y Judge PERRI sr—Did you observe the last answer the witness lof resorting to ant other advice. He congratulated the people has given?—He says he did not take a full note of the ofen the increrse the repeal feeling among them, and als o on speeeb,but su c h a n ote as would e na ble him to give a description. I the symptoms that were apparent of a better temper among the Mr. HENN—And !submit that is not evidence, because he high-flying Orangemen of the INorth men t ione d th e cannot say anythlng except what is in his notes, and he admits , surprise he felt at seeing a sensible letter with the name of to did no' take a full note of the speech. t Londonderry attached to it. He denied that the Speech from / the Throne was the personal speech of the Sovereign—it was not a personal speech at all ; it was no more the Queen's speech than it was his (Mr. O'Connell's), and he was not very likely to pronounce a speech of that kind. The suggestion contained in that Speech was grossly disloyal ; it was disloyal to represent the Queen to the people of Ireland as hostile to their liberty.. He then called attention to the letter in the Morning Chronicle, signed '• One Who Whistled at the Plough," from which he read extracts. He pointed out the injury done to the Reform cause in England by the physical-force doctrine of the Chartists, and warned the people strongly against violence of any kind. He said the resolution for the nen-consumption of exciseable articles was not yet:proposed ; it was saved for a great emergency. He would shrink from nothing. He announced his intention of attending meetings at Loughrea and Conne mara in the following week, where he would defy the spies and informers of England to produce confusion. He then pro ceeded to detail his plan of the management of the fran chise of the Irish Parliament. He would arrange them in such a manner that if the Queen chose to issue' writs for the assembling of the Irish Parliament in six weeks, they might be directed at once to the respective boroughs. He had taken the population of the Reform Bill as the basis of his plan. He (Mr. O'Connell) was anxious that men of wealth and station should join them (the Repealers). The time was come when Ireland could no longer be governed for or by a faction. England had given them emancipation in 1829, but not equality. With re spect to the law of landlord and tenant, it had been said by Chief Justice Pennefather that the nature and intent of the Act of Parliament was only in favour of the landlord to enforce his rights. The law never had the interest of the tenant in contemplation at all. These were the words of a Tory :Lord Chief Justice.—(Laughter throughout the Court. ) Cross-examination resumed by Mr. Sergeant WARPAN— Did you attend the meeting at Loughrea ?—Yes. State en what day that meeting took place ?—On September the 10th. Who were present at that meeting ?—Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Steele, Dr. Gray, and Mr. Barrett. Have you a note of Mr. O'Connell's speech at that meeting? —I have. Read it. Mr. Hann, traversers' counsel—ls this a 'note you took yourself, and not a copy of another's report ?—Yes. Mr. Sergeant WARREN—Read it. "Mr. O'Connell said he regretted that the state of the'weather would compel him to narrow his expressions of gratitude to the smallest space. They all knew there was high authority for saying that it rained on the just as well as on the un just. He would wish to give before them the outpourings of his heart at the splendid spectacle of that day. Connaught was doing well. He had around him that day enough of physical force to achieve the greatest revolution. But let them as semble peaceably, and Ireland would be again a nation." Sergeant WARREN —Did you form an estimate of the num bers that attended the Lourghrea meeting ?—Yes, I did. Sergeant WARREN—How many persons, or about how many, were present, do you think ?—I should say about twelve thou sand. I was present at a public dinner on the evening of the same day. If I said that Mr. Barrett was at the meeting, I said so inadvertently, and I took the first opportunity to correct my error. Mr. Barrett was at the dinner. Sergeant WARREN—State the names of such of the tra versers as were at the dinner ?—Mr. O'Connell was there, and so too were Mr. Steele, Mr. Barrett, and Dr. Gray. I heard Mr. O'Connell speak at the dinner, and have a note of his speech on that occasion. Are you acquainted with the appearances of the traversers ? —I am. Sergeant WARREN—Point them out, if you please. The witness turned round, and, after some hesitation, gala— " I only see Mr. O'Connell, Dr. Gray, Mr. Ray, and the Rev. Mr. Tierney." Sergeant WARREN—Look round and try if you can identify any more of them ? Oh yes, I see Mr. John O'Connell. Sergeant WARREN—The traversers ought to be together ; this difficulty on the part of the witness arises, my Lords, from the circumstance of the traversers not being all here. Mr. WHITESIDE—I am rather inclined to think it results from the circumstance of their not having been all there ! ( Laughter.) The Learned Counsel alluded to Loughrea. Con H.T—Do the Counsel for the traversers admit that Mr. Duffy was at the Loughrea dinner? Mr. WHITESIDE—I do not admit that Mr. Duffy was at any meeting, except, perhaps, an Association meeting. Mr. I%l'DoNoucH—l admit that Mr. Barrett was at the dinner, but not at the meeting. Mr. O'CONNELL—The witness did not say he saw Barrett at the meeting ; but he said he was at the dinner. Mr. FITZGIBBON— Unless there be an attempt to dispute identity, we will readily concede the fact of any of the tracer sera having been at any meeting, which, in point of fact, they did really attend. Sergeant WARREN—You said you had a note of Mr. O'Con nell's speech at the dinner of Loughrea ; pray be so good as to read it. —( The witness here read from his note-book his note of Mr. O'Connell's speech on the occasion in question. The speech commenced with a denunciation of the Tories for having put into the mouth of the Sovereign a speech, in the sentiments of which she did not herself concur, for the paltry purpose of keeping themselves another year in office. He expressed a hope that wkat he uttered might reach the ears of her Majesty, and that she would learn that from the accession of het family to the Throne up to the present day justice had never been done to this country. ) Witness—Then, my Lords, Mr O'Connell proceeded to denounce George the First, George the Second, George the Third, and George the Fourth ; I have only a topical note of the proceedings just there, and, consequently, am unable to give his express words ; I only know that he denounced them. Sergeant WARREN—Go on with the reading of your notes of Mr. O'Connell's speech. The witness complied, and read his note, the substance of which was, that the Irish people had ever been distinguished for their loyalty and allegiance to their Sovereign, and they would never cease to be so distinguished, for that their loyalty was— " True as the dial to the sun, Although it be not shined upon." That the Government had commenced by threatening civil war upon the Repealer., but that the people had not crouched to that threat, and that the menace, consequently, would not be repeated ; that the Government had spent a great portion of the session in forging an Arms Bill ; and that he (Mr. O'Connell) would get his arms branded in perpetual proof of the insolence and tyranny of the Saxon ; that the Irish people, if they were unanimous and did not vio late any law, must succeed in obtaining their liberties ; and that they ought to humble themselves before Providence for the purpose of imploring that the virtue of perseverance might be vouchsafed to them, and that wisdom might be granted to their leaders to conduct them in the paths of peace and tranquillity into the temple of genuine and rational liberty, which was fonnded upon religion aed morality. " I tell the Times that those meetings are the safety-valves through which the boiling wrongs of thenational soul" (witness remarks) ' I have lost the next word after soul, but 1 suppose it was ' evaporate') " into the certainty of success ; they raise in them (the people) a Divine hope that the days of the woes of Ireland will not last for ever." The witness continued to read the speech of Mr. O'Connell at length in nearly the same terms as previously published, until he came to the following passage :—" Ireland wants no monarchy." Mr. O'CowNELL, who was sitting, as on the previous day, at the table, immediately under the witness's chair, here said, with the appearance of much astonishment, "No monarchy ?" —I would make Mr. O'Connell's meaning more clear if I were to write out another translation from my notes; but this is a literal translation of what he said. Mr. O'Connell did not mean to say that Ireland required no monarch, for he says afterwards, "To the Sovereign we are attached by the most dutiful allegiance." This part of the witness's evidence and explanation were very confused, and rather in an under tone, so as to render it difficult in the gallery to catch his precise words. Mr. Sergeant WARREN—Turn to the meeting at the Corn Exchange on the 13th of September; look at your notes of that day's proceedings, and say which of the traversers were there? —Am I to give you an answer founded on my own observa tion, or from what I find on my notes. Mr. Sergeant WARREN—YOU are not bound to omit any names, if from your own knowledge you can speak positively of persons having been present, although you do not find their names on your notes ?—Mr. O'Connell was there. His name is the only one on my notes; lout I know Mr. John O'Connell and Mr. Ray were there. Sergeant WARREN—Refer to Mr. O'Connell's speech in presenting the draft of the address to the fellow-subjects of the Crown in every part of the world.—The witness then pro ceeded to read the speech, after which he said he had notes un connected, of the points in that address, and he read several disjointed passages, among which were the following " They say that the English Judges are better than ours—l deny it." " Such a judgment as that of the English Judges, respecting the Presbyterian marriages, never was given on this side of a hot place."—( Laughter.) When that speech was concluded what was done ?—Mr. O'Connell moved the adoption of an address to the inhabitants of all the countries subject to the British Crown, and that that address be placarded wherever the British Crown had power. You mentioned yesterday that you had received a manifold copy of that address ?—I did. Now read it.—The witness took up the manifold copy and had read about six lines of it, when he was desired to read the printed copy of the address, as it would be more easily perused. When the witness had read as far as the fifth article of the address, he appeared to be very weak—when The CHIEF JUSTICE said, this gentleman seems very much exhausted. Witness—l will be better in a few moments, my Lord. .:Age Ca,turrom—Perhaps it would be better for the Clerk of the Crown to finish the reading of the address. The address was then handed to the Clerk of the Crown, who concluded the reading of th: document. Here the Court adjourned. On again meeting The direct examination of the vijtness was resumed. By Sergeant WARREN— Was at the Clifton meeting; it took place on the 17th of September ; some of the traversers (Mr. O'Connell and Mr. Steele) were present; does not remember any one else. A Juror—Only the two ? Witness—Only the two. Remembers Mr. Dillon Browne was there; heard him speak. (Read his speech from his notes. ) He said the men of Connemara had acted bravely in rallying at this meeting ; that if not so numerous as in other places, they were few, but brave. He wished Peel and Wellington were there to see their mountain cavalry ; and he would be glad to know if the heavy dragoons cou:d follow them through the mountains. They assembled that day to show their strength, not to violate the law ; they were resolved not to sully their conscience at the will of any despot. What he had said of Mr. Darcy was wafted on the wings of the press to the ears of that gentleman. Sergeant WARREN—Did you take a rite of what Mr. O'Con nell said on that occasion ? Yes. _ . Sergeant WARREN—WiII you read it?--The witness then com menced reading Mr. O'Connell's speech at the meeting. He commenced by saying that the present was the most transcend ant meeting he had ever seen—that he was now making an ex periment, and he wanted to know whether they were not as brave as the rest of Ireland—whether Connaught was not as honest and as faithful as the other three provinces.—(Cries of "We are, we are.") Whether they did not hate Saxon tyranny as much as any other portion ?—(Cries of " We do more so.") All he wanted was, Ireland for the Irish, as France for the French, England for the English, and Scot land for the Scotch. The Irish were as brave and more moral, than any other nation in the world. The battle of Ireland was to be a peaceable battle, and he would keep them out of danger. They should proceed in a constitutional way, but if he wanted them they would come again. He wanted that every person should pay his own clergyman ; the Pro testants could then have what they liked for their own church, and the more they paid the better. The struggle for emanci pation was one for the advantage of the rich; but Repeal would bring physical prosperity to the people. They were to use no violence. He came to teach them another lesson from that— that peace, order. and obedience to the law, were the means by wivich they would wrest everything from their enemies. If they had the Repeal, prosperity would flow in upon them, and would they not give a milling a-year fur this object? Every sergeant paid a shilling to each recruit, to enlist and entrap him ; hut he did not want to entrap them, but he told them Ireland shou'd be for the Irish. He again repeated that no violence was to be used. His motto was—" Whoever committed a crime gate strength to the enemy." He could not be doing anything that was bad when he had the support and countenance of the sainted clergy of the people, and their venerated archbishops. When they found him possessed of such support, they did say that he must be doing some good. Then came the quotation—" The nations have fallen," &c. Mr. Sergeant Niraaiiim—Were you at the dinner on that day ?—I was. State'to the jury who were the traversers present at that dinner.—Mr. O'Connell, Mr. J. O'Connell, Dr. Gray, and Mr. Barrett. Look at your notes ?—Oh, no, J. O'Connell was not present I was thinking of Mullaghmast meeting, when Mr. J. O'Con nell was in the chair. Look to your notes of the Clifden meeting?—There were present at the Clifden meeting Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Steele, and Dr. Gray. I don't remember that there were any other of the traversers. By a juror—You said that Mr. Barrett was present ?—I was confounding this meeting with that of Mullaghmast; the only persons present at this (the Clifden) meeting were—Mr. O'Connell, DR Gray, and Mr. Steele. Have you a note of Dr. Gray's speech on that occasion?— Yes. Dr. Gray in answer to the toast said— Have you a note of the toasts preceding that ?—No ; I have no note of the loyal toasts. Dr. Gray, in answer to the toast of the people, said—" That formerly the aristocracy tyrannised over the people, but the people were now showing the bearing of men, determined to be free—that he was much struck with the difference in the bearing of the people then and that exhi bited by them some two years before, when he had visited that place. Let their conduct be firm, and let them flinch before no tyrant landlord, and where was the man that would dare to eject them from their holdings because they were repealers ? Let them observe peace, order, .and tranquillity, and they would finally triumph. Mr. Sergeant WARREN—Have you a note of Mr. O'Con nell's speech on that occasion ?—Yes. Read it.—( The witness here proceeded to read the speech, which commenced with expressions of delight on the part of Mr. O'Connell at the majestic sight which was presented on that occasion. He said that Leinster, part of Ulster, Mun ster, had done their duty, and now Connaught was at its post. There was then (said the witness) a sentence about virtue and religious sentiment which I was not able to catch. The speech then went on to refer to the prosperity of Ireland un der a domestic legislature. He (Mr. O'Connell) might be asked why, when having so much physical force around him, he did not make use of of it? ?le replied that he would use it, but not abuse it. Its use was legal and moral combination. There are then, said the witness, the words " poetical imagery" —(Laughter)—but I have not the whole sentence. The words are not mine, but Mr. O'Connell's. The speech went on to express Mr. O'Connell's delight at seeing the thousands and hundreds of thousands that poured out of every valley to the meeting. Tbey would use no violence—they would reserve their strength till they were attacked. But the Government would not attack them ; the English Government said they would not attack them. To that statement he would reply, " Thank you for nothing, says the gallipot."—(Laughter. ) They could not catch an,old bird with chaff—(Laughter)—and they would not catch an old lawyer with chaff.—(Laughter. ) (The witness here stated that a sentence followed, which he was unable to catch, and then proceeded.) Mr. O'Connell then alluded to the reports that had appeared in the news papers of the first meeting of the Arbitration Courts, Dr. Gray in the chair, and the announcement that they would meet every Friday after. He stated his conviction that they would work well, and hoped that hereafter he should be able to apply the principle on a more extensive scale, so that before long he should deprive the principal Courts of half their busi ness. He would play a game that should checkmate the Go vernment in time. It might be necessary to go slowly to work, and that the people of Ireland should continue their confidence in him, but it was better to go slow and sure, than fast and uncertain. In allusion to some opinions that had been expressed in the newspapers, he said he never took advice on matters of law from the newspapers; he relied on them for matters of fact only. No country in the world had an abler or more honest press than Ireland ; and it was a great proof that they were in the right road, when they found so much talent in the press in listed on their side ; but he could not take the law from them. He had more projects in his head for checkmating the Govern ment, but he should not speak of them. He said further, that the English Government had done nothing to conciliate Ireland. They had offered nothing as a remedy of their grievances but a miserable compromise, giving them what children called the smallest half. At present his monster meetings were almost done ; there were not more than seven or eight to be held. He remarked on the conduct of the people at those meetings which had been held, and the extract concluded by an eulogium of the moral and religious character of the people of Ireland. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Did you make any calculation of the number of persons at the meeting at Clifden ?—I did. What number attended ?—Five or six thousand. Were you present at the meeting of the Association at the Corn Exchange, on the 27th September 2-1 was. Which of the traversers did you see there ?—Allow me to look at my notes. I never was a day without seeing some of them. I only ask you as to that particular day.—Dr. Gray, Mr. O'Connell and Mr. Ray. Did Dr. Gray make any remarks on that occasion ?—He did. Have you a copy of that report read by him, or do you know what was the subject of it ?—lt was with respect to the Arbri tatiun Courts. Is there among these documents (handing them in) a copy of the report read by Dr. Gray ?-1 have not a copy of that report. Were you furnished with copies of any documents on that occasion connected with the Arbitration Courts ?—Yes. Hare the goodness to read them. Witness then read one of the documents. It was an un filled up notice that an Arbitration Court had been appointed for the district of --, and that Mr. hod been appointed to furnish every information that might be required. It was signed, Thomas Ray, and printed by Mr. Brown, 36, Nassau street. Have you any other document connected with the Arbitra tion Courts ?—Yes ; but not on that day. Other documents were handed to witness, and from them he selected one which was read by the officer of the Court. It was headed by a harp and crown, and ran thus .—" These pre sents ate to testify that thelLoyal National Repeal Association has perfect confidence and perfect reliance on the ability of Mr. --, as Arbitrator, to dispose of, adjudicate, and settle, any disputes that may arise in the said district of --." Sergeant WARREIT—Have you any other documents respect ing Arbitration Courts, which you received that same day?— At the meeting of the Repeal Association, which was held on the 16th of October, I got a document which purports to be a copy of the: rules and regulations to be observed by arbitrators, awl also by persons in various districts of the country who wish to submit their disputes to arbitrators. Sergeant WA anEw—Read it. The witness, who appeared to be very much exhausted, handed the document to the Clerk of the Crown, who read it. It was as follows: "RULES TO BE OBSERVED by ARBITRATORS IN DISTRICTS, THE PEOPLE WHEREOF MAY CHOOSE TO SUBMIT THEIR DISPUTES TO ARBITRATION. POWERS OF ARBITRATORS. "I. Arbitr a tors will remember that they derive their legal power to adjudicate in any given case, solely from the consent of the disputing parties , to submit their disputes to the arbitra tion and award of the arbitrators, and will therefore be careful never to enter on any case, until both parties have consented to submit the cause of dispute to their decision. This consent should, in general, be had in writing, and the name of the ar bitrators, as well as the cause of dispute, should be stated therein. The consent (which is l ega ll y ca ll e d a deed of sub mission) should the n be signed by both parties in presence of a witness. In trivial cases, a verbal consent, in the presence of a witness, will suffice; but, as in the case of a written consent, the arbitrators should be named by the disp u ti ng par ti es . IL—lt is illegal and an indictable offence for arbitrators to administer an oath. In hearing cases t h ey w i l l t h erefore not only not administer an oath them selves , but they will no t perm i t the disputing parties or their w itnesses, or any of theta, to take an oath, or use such asseverations as may be deemed or eon strued into an oath. Neither ought the arbitrators to take any form of an oath themselves. In.—Arbitrators may, when duly nominated by both the disputing parties, decide and adjudi ca t e i n a ll cases ex cept such as are called felonies, as theft, f orgery , pass i ng b ass coin. and such like. .."The cases that more properly belong to the province of arbitrators are such as hitherto ch iefly formed the subjects of expensive litigation i n the mag i ster ial and other Courts. Such as wages, debts of all kinds, disputes between employers and the employed —including o la d b e our w e h r a s t , er a e n r d , m wh ec e h th a e n r ics b — y be mechanics— trespass, disputes concerning meanings —claims on foot of al leged edamagessti contract, or by assault and battery. In cases of as sault, the complainant mast seek for the recovery of damage sustained as the result of the assault committed, and the arbitra tors may award to the injured party any amount of pecuniary extent of t e their iw damages ~ v . _ that A r IV.—Arb i trators t e rm y a tmanyra,ay are eheerun not a duly limited u u l s y t recompense. nominated,oa m i t p n en tn se. an y amount of property. In all cases, jurisdiction as are Justices of the Peace and Assistant Bar heriaosswteeesrvseitrl,v9roevihveeijig2ol. a stamp . w i ll be necessary to render the consent (or deed of submission) an award legal; but in all cases under that sum, the consent a n d awar d requ i re no stamp to render them binding in l aw . Th e or di nary sche dule of stamp duties, to be had at the office of every vender of or rmount exceeding o f s ta 2 m o y . duty and the required in each arbitra tors should direct the disputing parties to procure same, and the cost of same sh ould be allowe d , in making up the award, stamps, , am case ps , , w il l amounting show the to, to the successful party. .ORDER OF PROCEEDINGS. 4 , V.-.—The form of notice from the plaintiff to the defendant, should be signed by the plaintiff, and the notification appended thereto, signifying the willingness of the arbitrators to act, if duly nominated, should be signed by some one of the arbitra tors of the district. " Vl.—After the parties have come to the place of hold ing the arbitration, and before the plaintiff be allowed to make his statement, the arbit►ators should ascertain whether both parties be present. If they be not, the hear ing must be postponed. But if both parties be present, the arbitrators will Inquire if they mutually consent to submit the cause in dispute to their arbitration. Should both con sent, then the arbitrators will follow the directions given in Rule No. I. Should they, however, not consent, the arbitrators will, on no account, proceed any further with the ease. VII.--The parties having indifferently chosen and named the arbitrators, and consented to abide by their decision and award, the arbitrators will proceed to hear the case in manner following :—The plaintiff should be called on to state his case, and having done so, he may be exa mined by the arbitrators, and cross-examined by the defendant. The witnesses for the plaintiff to be then called, and respectively examined by the arbitrators and cross-examined by the defendant. The case for the plaintiff having closed, the defendant should then be called upon to make his statement, and having been examined by the arbitrators, and cross-examined by the plaintiff, his witnesses are to be called, and a similar course pursued to that directed in the case of the plaintiff's witnesses. The case on both sides having cloned, the arbitrators will proceed to make their award, which must in all cases be in writing, and be signed by the arbitrators named by the disputing parties, and by none others, save the Secretary, who must sign as witness. Whea so signet% the award should be publicly read by the Chairman. " Note.—ln all cases of arbitration, the wife or child of either party may be examined; and a witness may be called a second lime should the arbitrators think fit. It may be ad visable, for the p ur p ose of eliciting truth, that the witnesses on both sides sbc4l be sent out of t he room u n t il required for examination. g parties, or either of them , should be " VIII.—The di s p ts tin allowed to have th e a id of professional men if they choose. In such ease the professional agent will state the case, and ex amine and cress-examine witnesses, instead of the party litigant, as stated in Bute VII. " IX.—Should the arbitrators find a difficulty in coming to A decision in any case, a reasonable time may be taken for ma.king the award ; but it is advisable that, in all cases where it is practicable, the award be male immediately after the hearing. culated to distu r b the CENRIZAL RULES. " X. The arbitrator s should sit in a roo m o pen to the public ; and it is deemed a d visa ble that all manif es tation of approval or of disappr ova l b y th e su itors or audience , be prohibited, as est. " Xl. The Arbi tra t o rs w ,91 cause the secretary to make an entry in the m i nute b oo k of eaoh case that comes before them. Should th ere b e no appear ance to the notice of complaint, or prb reedings. should the case have been settled, he will enter it accordingly ; and should the case he beard, he will enter the particulars under their respective heads. " original deed of submission and the award are to be carefully preserved by the secretary, as they may be ne cessary for the future security of the respective parties from further claim. It will be yis duty, however, to supply copies ' of the award, free of expense, to each of the parties, if applied for. " Signed by order, " JOHN GRAY, " Chairman of the Arbitration Committee, " Loyal National Repeal Association. " A copy of these Rules should be posted in some conspie cuous place in the room where the arbitrators sit." Sergeant WARREN—Look at your notes, and see have you a memorandum of the appointment of any arbitrators on the 27th of September for the districts of Kingstown, Dundrnna, or Blackrock?--I remember that Dr. Gray made a speech on that occasion in reference to the appointment of arbitrators. Sergeant WARREN—Have you a note of that speech?—Yes, I have. Sergeant WARREN—Read it.—The witness read from his manuscripts a note of a speech delivered by Dr. Gray, on the occasion in question. The substance of the speech was, that he (Dr. Gray) as chairman of the Arbitration Committee, was commissioned to inform the Association that the Committee had under their consideration the form of a testimonial in favour of such persons as they thought fit to recommend to the office of arbitrators, and he then proceeded to read the docu ment alluded to, a copy of which the witness produced. Did any appointment of arbitrators take place that day ? I have a memorandum on my notes to the effect that several gentlemen were proposed as arbitrators and agreed to. I know that Mr. Nugent, of Kingstown, was appointed, and returned thanks, and Doctor Gray moved that the Chairman should be recommended as an arbitrator for Dundrum, whereupon the chairman returned thanks. I was present at the 111ullaghmast meeting. I took a note of the proceedings of that meeting, which I hold in my hand. Sergeant WARREN said there were certain extracts from that speech, as reported by the witness, which he wished to have read out. He wished to know whether the Counsel for the traversers had any objections to having certain extracts read from the speech, or did they mean to insist, as they had a right to do, that the entire speech should be read over again ? It would be in the recollection of the Court that the speech had already been read in its entirety by Mr. Hughes. Mr. Frrzotasoat—lf your two witnesses agree, Sergeant Warren, in their reports of this speech, I really eannot see the use of having it read, or any part of it, over again. But if, on the other hand, you want now to give a different account of the speech from that which has already been deposed to, I cannot see how you can do so, for surely you can have no right to pit one of your witnesses against the other. So which horn of the dilemma will you select ?—(Laughter. ) Sergeant WARREN—I don't want any horn of a dilemma. I merely wish to have certain extracts read from the witness's report of Mr. O'Connell's speech, and I ask you whether you require to have the whole speech read, as you are entitled ? Mr. FITZGIIIBON—We don't require anything. Take your own course. Mr. HENN—If the two extracts correspond in omnibus, there is no necessity for reading the second, but if there be any discrepancy, I think it very essential for us that the whole of the witness's notes should be read. Sergeant WARREN—I believe that the two reports do corre spond, for I trust to the reporters ; but lam unable to say positively, for I have nut examined the reports. Mr. HENN—We have no opportunity whatever of knowing whether the reports correspond. Judge CR.A MPTON— You have only to state that you wish the whole speech read, Mr. Henn. Mr. Sergeant WARREN—State from your notes what Mr. O'Connell said at Mullaghmast ?—There was considerable confusion at that meeting, which inconvenienced me, and pre vented my taking some of the first of Mr. O'Connell's observa tions. I had not an opportunity of taking his first words, but he was speaking of Tara; I put down the word Tara first, and then I ge on. The witness here read Mr. O'Connell's speech, which agreed as nearly as possible with Mr. Hughes's version of it, and very slightly differed from the report a s or i g i na lly p u bli s h e d i n th e Freeman. Whenever hr , missed taking down a woe d, he said, " I lost the next word." He read on until he came to the passage—" Peel has 500 colours in his flag, and not one of them permanent—to-day it is Orange, to-morrow green—and next day it is neither one nor the ether. One of the Scotch hi.torians, Allison, says that if Wellington got well out of the battle of Waterloo, it was by the British troops, and by their unconquerable. I have lost the remaining words of that sentence. He then came to a quotation from a song, which he introduced— " At famed Waterloo Old Wellington would look blue, Only Paddy was there too." And I have lon the rest.—( Great laughter.) He said further about the Duke of Wellington, They had no place for him in the Cabinet, nor no duty for him to perform, except that of a sort of inspector of Anti-Repeal Wardens. I selected this Rath for obvious reasons to hold this meeting, for it was the spot on which English treachery, and Irish treachery too com mitted a massacre unequalled in the annals of history, except by the murder of the Mamelukes." When the witness was done reading the speech, Sergeant WARREN asked him if he was at the dinner in Mullaghmast was. I suppose you took a note of Mr. O'Connell's speech at the dinner ?—I did. Can you recollect how many of the traversers were present at Mullaglineast ?--There were present, Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Ray, Mr. Steele, and Dr. Gray. I Now, at the dinner who did you see ?—I saw Mr. O'Con nell, Mr. John O'Connell, Dr. Gray, Mr. Steele, Mr. Ray, and Mr. Barrett. t Did you take a note of Mr. O'Connell's speech upon the latter occasion ?—Yes. Read it.—l will. I have also notes of Mr. Barrett's speech on the same occasion, but my notes of his speech are very in complete. Mr. APDoszoralr—Your Lordships, perhaps, did not hear what the witness said to Sergeant Warren. He stated that he has a very incomplete note of Mr. Barrett's speech. Now, we had from Mr. Hughes yesterday a very perfect note of that speech ; and I take the liberty, on the part of Mr. Barrett, to apply to the Court not to receive the incomplete note. I do not think it fair. Sergeant WARREN (to witne;s)—Have you a complete note of any part of Mr. Barrett's speech ? If you have not I want ask you a word about it. Witness (having looked over his notes)—No, Sir. Sergeant WARREN—I should be very sorry to ask you to give any statement of it. You said you had a cemplete note of O'Connell's speech at the dinner; will you read it ?—Tlae witness went on to read the speech made by Mr. O'Connell, which took place at the Mullaghmast dinner. He (Mr. O'Con nell) asked on that occasion was there any Repealer brought before a bench charged with any crime? Was there any of them brought before a magistrate for a breach of the peace? No, not one. They (the Irish people) had made a moral de monstration which no country on the face of the earth was ca pable of producing save Ireland. They (the Irish) had met is immense numbers without the slightest violation of the laws of God or man, and yet that country and such a people were enslaved. Mr. O'Connell then spoke something about the cold water cure, but I did not catch it.—( Laughter.) Mr. O'Connell continued, and said the only way to obtain the Repeal of the Union was by the peaceful working of the Irish people themselves. They would not commit a breach of the peace. They would not commit a violation of the law. Ile went on to read that portion of the speech relative to the Duke of Wellington, in which it was stated that if a man hap pened to be born in a stable it did not make him a horse. Witness continued reading Mr. O'Connell's speech for some time longer, and the direct examination being ceneluded, Mr. Henn, Q. C., commenced the cross-examination. Mr. HENN—WiII you state what time you came to Ire land first ?—The first time I came was in July, 1E 1 43. I was never here before. Mr. HENN—Were you much frightened at the idea of coming over?—Yes, I was frightened a little. Mr. Hess —I suppose you found the alarm false ? —Why, yes. Mr. HENN—I suppose you were paid fairly for coming over ? Yes, I got 3501. Mr. HENN—Altogether do you mean? I got 501. for the Donnybrook, and 350/. for attending all other meetings, and up to the next session of Parliament. Mr. HENN—You have found it a profitable speculation, then ?—Yes, I have. Mr. HEN N—Have you ever made as much money in as short a time before?—No, I have not ; I have sometimes done very well, sometimes not. Mr. He ss—Have you ever taken the benefit of the Insolvent Act ?—I have once. Mr. HENS—Only once I when was that? I was arrested on the 25th of June, and my petition was heard on the 25th of July, I think ; it was some time before I came over. Mr. HENN—You have stated that the employment you have undertaken was suggested to you by some person on behalf of the Governmtnt—who was that person ? Sergeant WA RREN—I object to his answering that question. Mr. HENN—I have a right to test the accuracy of the witness in this way. SergeantWa a Rex—This principle was decided in Hardy's case, and Lord Erskine distinctly laid it down that a witness em ployed by Government is not obliged to disclose the name of his employer, and Lord Chief Justice Eyre also said that though in general a witness may be asked such a question, yet the secrets of the Government ought not to be laid open unless in an ex treme case. In Philips on Evidence, the doctrine was also stated. Mr. Philips says that though under ordinary circum stances the credit of a witness may be tested in this way, yet witnesses will not be permitted always to disclose the names of their employers, and it was not proper to inquire what officer under the Government had induced a witness to come forward. He quoted this from the Ist volume of Philips on Evidence. In another case Mr. Gibbs had asked a witness under cross-examination—How came you to go ? By whom were you sent ? The witness replied—lf it be a fair question I will answer. Chief Justice Eyre said—lf you choose to answer the question you may ; but I will not insist upon it. The then Attorneys General said, Ido not think the examination should be permitted to go on where the delicacy of the witness is interfered with. Mr. Gibbs—l don't see where the delicacy is. Lord Chief Justice Eyre—l do not think it proper to press this witness to answer. The nature of the connexion between the parties ought not to be dis closed here ; and Mr. Gibbs then added—l will not press the question. In Monaghan's case there was also an objection. Mr. Erskine's question went to test the credit of the witness ; but Lord Chief Justice Eyre held it was a most important rule for the public that the names of persons were not to be disclosed, unless they were material to the case. He referred to pages 807 and 823. When Mr. Erskine wished to examine a wit ness as to information obtained from a particular quarter, and asked if the information came from a man or woman, the Chief Justice would not allow the disclosure to be made. The rule was clearly laid down in Philips's Law of Evidence. Mr. HENN, Q.C.—There is a manifest distinction between the principle here, and that relied on by the Crown—between questions arising out of cross-examination and from the direct. This is a question arising from the direct examination, and' I was rather surprised to kear it asked in a leading form, " Was it not suggested to you on the part of the Government ?" and the witness answered in the affirmative. I am now testing his credit, and how can I test the accuracy of his answer unless al lowed to ask the question? Chief Justice PE NNIFATHER—The Court are of opinion the distinction taken by you Mr. Henn, makes no difference ; the protection must be upheld. Mr. HENN then proceeded with the crass-examination—You had a communication with a person high in office ?—Yes. Shortly before you came from England, were erti in connexion with any newspaper ?—Yes, the Morning Chronicle. How long in connexion with that paper ?—About a year. Does it support the present Government ?—No. Were you in connexion with any other paper ?—Not at that time. Were you at any other time?—Yes ; the Times. When did your connexion with the Times cease ?—ln 1836. When with the Morning Chronicle?—.After the last session of Parliament. Since then, have you been engaged by any other paper?— Yes ; by the Standard. Then, when you came here in July were you not connected with the Morning Chronicle v—Y es ; I wish to state the reasons why I came. Mr. HE NN—You have already given 350 substantial ones for coming.—( Laughter. ) Witness—lf I had not came as a newspaper reporter, I would not come for anything. Would you not come forward for 100,0:0/. ?—Ohl I might __(Laughter) for 75,0001. Why, would it be so hard to tempt you?—l was led to ap prebend some damage. Well, now that you have come over, would you entertain the same apprehension ?—Now that I have seen how thin k s are carried on, I would riot have the same appreh ens i on. Having been deputed by some one high in office, and while in the employment of the Morning Clironic:e, you came to Ireland ?—Yes. Well, to whom did you apply on your arrival ? Yott came here to report the proceedings at the meeting held at Donny brook—you could not report unlesi you had a place on the platform to hear and see. Tel me to whom did you apply ?—I do not know. How did you get to the meeting ?—I went there with a gentleman connected with the Dublin Evening Post; he being well known did everything for me, and got me a place on the platform. You said when Mr. O'Connell arrived there was great con fusion ?—Yes. That was created b persons coming on the p;atform ? It was. There was no breach of the peace—no alarm on your part? —No. Mr. HENN—You would not give 50,0001. to get away from it—(Laughter)—was not all quiet and decorous?—lt was. The report of what occurred at Donnybrook you transcribed from the notes you took ?--Yes. Have you that paper ?—Yes. Now, having come over in a double capacity, did you furnish a report to the Government and to the Morning Chronzcle ?—Yes. To the CHIEF JUSTICE—I assisted in preparing a report for the Morning Chronicle. Mr. HEWN—Was that on the same day?—Yes, it was on Monday. Did you on that day copy the short-hand notes ou took to furnish your report to the Ch ron i c l e ? Oh, no ;I + sent off by post that night, and it was not snore than thirty liaes ; I only wrote a portion of Mr. O'Connell's speech without referring to my notes at all. - When did you write out the report for Government ?—On the next day. Is it a full report ?---As full as possible, except in those por tions to which I have referred. I understand you took a verbatim report of what you consi dered material?—Yes. You cannot be always precisely verbal?—Oh, no ' • and the change of a word might oft en ma k e a very mater i a l difference in the sense of a sentence. But of those parts you did not consider material you did not take a note ?—No. You took what you eall topical notes of what took place ? Yes. But you do not pretend to say that you even gave the sub stance of what was said in those special notes?---I do not un derstand the latter part of your question. I took notes in such a way as not to misrepresent the sense of the speaker upon those points on which he spoke ; but I do not pretend to have given the words, or anything like them. Do you pretend to say you have given even the substance of the observations made on the various topics 7 -1 do not know how far the expression " substance" extends. Mr. HENN—Why substance is substance, and it is so plain a word that it could not be made plainer.—(Laughter.) Did you give the substance?—l gave the substance, or meaning of the observations? Of all the observations ?—Oh, no. What then?—The discussions of these topics might have occupied twenty sentences ; but those twenty sentences might contain but one idea, and I only put down the idea.—( A laugh.) What are the topical notes?—The substance of the observa tions made on the various topics alluded to. Now, Mr. Ross, having escaped from the savages —(Loud lauOiter)—and got hack to London, you got courage to come back again ?—1 did not conic back again. Why, you were only at Donnybrook first?—Oh, yes, I came back. Were you not under the same alarm then, as at first ?—Yes, I was ; I had experience of only one meeting there ; but it was not in the neighbourhood of Dublin that I was afraid ; I entertained apprehensions at first. Were you then in the employment of the Chronicle?—No. Did you come as a reporter for Government?—No, I came as a reporter for the Standard. Not on the part of the Government ?—Yes, on the part of the Government also. Who recommended you to the Standard?—Myself. Were you known before ?—Every person connected with the press knew me in London. You know Mr. Bond Hughes, then?—No, I have not the pleasure of knowing Mr. Hughes. He knows you ?—Only , by reputation. Did you see him here ?—Yes. Your reputation recommended you to the Standard ?—I did not say it in that way, but 1 believe it was my reputation that recommended me. Having been thus recommended to the Standard, you came here on the part of the Standard and the Government, and with that intention you attended several meetings of the Asso ciation ?—I did. Now, you will tell me how you got access to the Association. Was it your reputation introduced you there ?—No, it was either the gentleman who went with me to Donnybrook, or another gentleman from the same establishment. Did you tell him you were connected with the Standard ? —Yes. And with the Government?—No, I did not want to tell him that I was connected with the Government. You saw Air. Hughes ; did he knew you personally ?—Yes ; he was, 1 am told, in my company about seven years ago at an entertainment given to a gentleman. Did you send reports to the Chronicle ?—I sent reports of three public meetings to the Chronicle. When you came here, did Sou come for the Standard and Chronicle and the Government ? Yes. Did you !end reports !o the Standard, Chronicle, and Go vernment ?—I did to the Standard and Chronicle, but not to the Government. I wrote the report out here. Did you not transmit reports to London ?—Yes, to the Standard and Chronicle. The Standard is a Government paper?—l never disclosed the fact that I was kere on the part of the Government until last night. May be you stated that you had come here for the Chronicle alone ?-0h ! is it I ? I never stated a falsehood :n my life, and it i 3 too late now to begin. I did not state at all that I came here on the part of the Government. There is one with whom lam connected—l mean my wife—whose wishes and feelings I always consult—(Much laughter among the ladies in the gallery, and the persons in the body of the Court )—and she was averse to my coming here as a Government reporter. I had my own feelings, too, on the matter. An artist of re putation, who had been asked to exhibit, in Dublin, a picture containing portraits of celebrated Englishmen, bad refused to do so; and when a gentleman, such as he, entertained appre hensions on the matter, some allowance must be made fur my having a reluctance to state why I came. Well, then, I take it for granted that you would not under take the business for 50,000/. ? You did not communicate the matter to the Morning Chronicle?—No. Now, Mr. Ross, you attended at Loughrea, Clifden, and Mullaghmast meetings, Did you send reports of the proceed ings at each to the Chronicle ?—I did not send the report of the Mullagmast meeting to the Chronicle. You are acquainted with the person who represented the Chronicle t here ?—Yea. Had you any communication with him at that meeting ? Yes; he was close to me. Oh ! then, you know Mr. Geary ?—Yes. You are quite sure you did not send that meeting to the Chronicle ?—Yes. Did the Chronicle pay you for that meeting ?—The Chronicle paid me only for what 1 sent. Did you charge them an 3 thing for the Mullaghmast meeting? —Yes, I did.—( linticai ions of sin prise in the Court. ) How much did you charge for sending them nothing ?-oh, they got the Mullaghmast meeting. Gear, then did the whole of the meeting, but you charged for it, and got the money ?—No. What !—Allow me to explain (witness, turning to the bench, said)—l regret I must state those circumstances, but I am compelled to explain. This gentleman, 111 r. Geary, wanted come money to enable him to go to those meetings, in order to send reports to London. I advanced him money on several occasions for that purpose. On this occasion, being run a little short, I wanted some money myself, and he could get no supply of money from London, and he therefore pro posed that the Mullaghmast meeting should be sent over in my name, as I should be sure to get paid for it. Did you get the money from the Chronicle for that meeting ? —I did, but 1 gave it to him. Having attended at those monster meetings here, 'nay I ask you whether you have ever, in the course 01 your duties in England, attended at any of the great public meetings there ? Not at many, but at some of them. At any of the Anti-Corn-law League meetings?—No, I never reported any of them. Don't you think it very wrong that a reporter should be called upon to give evidence?—No, certainly not. I think a reporter should obey the law of the country ; and I never heard that questioned until I heard it by some gentlontn here. 'Tis preposterous.—( Laughter. ) You were not always merely a reporter?—No. You were, I believe, an editor ?— I was. Were you the editor of a newspaper called the Carlisle Patriot ?—I was. About what time?—ln the years 1837, 1838, and 1839. What were the polities of that paper ?—Conservativo. Are those your own politics?—They are. Were they always so ?—Not always. For the last ten years ?—The title has not existed for ten years. - But the principles might ?—True enotigh. What were you before you became a Conservative?—Why, if I might define it— . I only ask you to name it ?—Why, I might answer that if I may define them— In moderation placing all my glory, The Tories call me Whig—the Whigs a Tory." been complained of (said the witness) by some of my own family, who are strong Liberals, for being a rank Tory ; and I have been condemned by some of my 'I ory friends for being too much of a Liberal.—( Great laughter.) And perhaps, both were right ?—Perhaps so. I can only arrive at a mean by the assertion of opposites.—(Laughter.) lam glad you came over to Ireland to enlighten us ! When you edited the Carlisle paper you had no objection to tell me what denomination of politics you belonged to?—The title existed at the time, designating a body of men who enter tained opinions in reference to public affairs, in which, gene rally I concurred with them. If you ask me what I was before that, I should say, a moderate Whig before the Reform Bill passed. Never had a touch of the Radical about you ?—Never ; I had the same feeling as all young men in favour of Liberal in stitutiom, and I trust I shall always entertain it. Mr. HaNN—And I hope you may inspire the Government with a similar feeling. Witness—l don't think it at all necessary. Were any of the members of the present Government con nected with that Carlisle paper ?--Not that I know of. You don't know who the proprietors were while you were editor?—No, not one of them (after a pause), except. from their own statement. Do yuu remember a prosecution of a person named Taylor at Carlisle—Dr. Taylor—and giving evidence on that vec as i on ? —No, Ido not. _ You do not. Is that your answer ?—Why, if N gave any evidence, or answered any questions, it must have keen about some very unimportant matter, for I don't recollect it.. Very likely : I suppose it was a topical note you trJok of it as you didn't consider it material?_l took no notes at all. It was just an examination before magistrates. I see your recollection is reviving. New, I again ask you were you riot examined before the Magistrates don't re collect that I was. Did not you protest, upon the high author;ty of a reporter, that you should not be called upon to give evidenue ?—Witness (apparently astonished), Oh, certainly no'c. Are you sure of that? —Sure of it l I never did any such thing in my life. Did you take any active part at elections in England ?—No. Not at all ?—isio. Did you always confine yourself to the mere drudgery of re porting?—When? During the course of your connexion with the press?—No. I have occasionally written articles. Did you ever write an election squib ?—N..it that I am aware. If you will show an) thing of the kind I'll tell you im mediately. DO )(Ai remember an election at Carlisle?--.Yes, Do you remember a 31r. Wentworth standing as a candi date ?—No. You do nol ?—I do not, Air. HENN (handed up an election placard to w itness)—Do you remember that placard?—No. Do you remember the name of the candidate w hose name is to it?—No, Ido not. I never saw or heard his name before. Were you connected with the public press us 1841 —Yes; I was connected with the London press. And do you tell me that you, who were connected with a London newspaper in 1841 oid not hear of a. contested elec tion in Carlisle at that period ?--I tell you agai ,n I. never heard of the names Infige, Was thc:re a contested election in Carlisle in 1841 ?—I reallY do not remember, If there was an election, it made no im pression on my mind. And you say ycu don't know who the candidate was ?—I do not. Do you remember any election in Carlisle ?—Yes, there was an election in '39 or '4o—it was an election for the county. Look to this placard, it is addressed to the working classes of Carlisle ?--I have looked at it, but never saw it until now. I may have seen it on the walls. Let me look at the date. ( Witness then looked at the date, and said he mistook the date; he never saw• that placard before. ) Air. Henn handed him another placard, an address to the working classes of Carlisle, and he said he never saw that either. Now, you edited the Carlisle Patriot in lB39?—Yes. Look at this (handing him a printed document), have you any recollection of that ?—I have not the slightest recoliection of it. Was it not published in the Patriot as a leading article ?—I do not know. I have no recollection of it. Can you say that that did not appear in your paper ?.--1 cannot say. But it may have appeared ?—lt may, Sir ; I cannot say it did not. The article to which I call your attention says—" We pro test in the most ardent manner against the conduct of the magistrates in compelling us to give evidence against the pri soners." Do you remember those words?—l do not. Sergeant WA RREN begged to interrupt Mr. Henn. Mr. HENN—I think I am entitled now to ask him will he swear that this was not inserted in the paper with his sanc tion ? Sergeant WARREN—He has already stated that he has no re collection of having seen that document before, and, therefore, you have no right to read one word of it. Mr. Justice CRAMPTON—Certainly not. Mr. HENN—Very well. lam entitled at all events to ask him this. Will you swear you did not, when editor of the Pa triot, protest against reporters being examined ?—I said before I did not. I know you did, but answer me again 7—l did not make any such protest—even in this sentence which I have used-- (Laughter)—l made no such protest. Then you did use the sentence ?—You mistake me- -1 did not. Were you in the habit of reporting in the House of Com mons 7—Yes. I suppose you often reported Mr. O'Connell's speeches 7-1 did —very often. Did you ever state that you found considerably difficulty in following Mr. O'Connell ?—Yes, I did. And that is the fact ?—Yes ; almost all reporters find difS culty in following Mr. O'Connell. Now the Donnybrook meeting was perfectly quiet and peaceable ?—lt was. Was it not so at the Clifden meeting ?—lt was. Was it not so at Loughrea 7—lt was. \Vas it not so at Mullaghmast?—lt was. And at Clifden you saw men coming on horses, with their wives behind them ?—(Laughter. )—I And numbers of the cavalry without any saddles or bridles 7-- (Laughter. )—Yes. You were not frightened ?—No, I was not frightened at any of the meetings ; I knew that near any of the traversers I was sure to be safe, and I always kept near them.--- ( Laughter.) Was it so wet at the Clifden meeting as to interfere with your reporting ?—No, we had an umbrella over us—still it syso unpleasant. Were you able to take notes fully ?—Pretty fully. But only "pretty" fully ?—Yes. Did you attend the meeting of the Repeal Association en the 4th of September ? Yes, I did. There used to be a great number of persons besides the traversers at the meeting of the Association—used there not? —Yes, there used. The room was very large in which the Association had to meet ?—Yes, it was; I think it would, probably, held as maul as this room. Used large numbers to attend the meetings and the dinners in the country ?—Yes, the dinners and meetings were very 1: 02 " . merously attended. Answer me this question, Sir, if you please—Did you at all of those meetings see any of the traversers do any act inconsis tent with the duty of a peaceable citizen ?—Do any act? Was there any tendency to a breach of the peace at any one of these meetings ?—No, there was not ; I attended the meeting of the 4th September at the Corn Exchange. Mr. HENN, after cross-examining the witness at great length, in reference to his connexion with the Carlis le Patriot, and the protest put forward in that paper, whilst he, was editor, against th e exam i nat i on of reporters, procee dea , to ask him several questi ons , on t h e su bj ect of a speec h 01 Mr. O'Connell, made at a meeting of the Association, dar ing the course of which he read a letter from Dundalk respecting Ribbonism. 'The witn ess d ec l are d t h at h e hsd taken no note. He was cross-examined in reference to $ speech of Dr. Gray, delivered in the Association on the 2 7 t h ' and a speech of Mr. O'Connell, in moving the insertion $ ( 1 1 the minutes of a lett er f rom M r . N aper , o f Lougherew, 'Litt a letter from Lord Lond on d err y. M r . O'C onne ll on tits occasion denounced in s t ro n g an d emp h at i c langsll4. , the conduct of Mr. C on n er , i n a tt em pti ng to g i ve n otice of a motion for the non-paym e nt o f ren t, an d move d that his name should be expunged from the list of members, which h2O - was carried unanimously. Mr. HENN here closed his cross-examination. By Judge PERRIN—Did not send the report of the DorinY' brook meeting to any newspaper; it was very late at the time : Cross-examined by Mr. H ATCHELL—Saw M r . R ay at Mu„ i laghmast, on the scaffold, and s p o k e t o hi m t h ere; came °l' rect from London in August, by railway; took a strong into' rest in the Cumberland electio n o f 1837 ; k nows Si r James Graham. 111 r. HATCIIELL—Had you any communication with Sir James Graham in June last? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL objected, and the Court rule that the question could not be put. Mr. HATCHELL—You may go down. The Court adjourned to ten o'clock (punctually) to-mor row morning. SIXTH DAY-BY EXPRESS. SATURDAY, J A W, 20. The Judges sat at' ten o'clock precisely, at which hour th e traversers were in attendance. The jury having been called over, the evidence for the Crown was resumed. The first witness called was Mr. John Jackson, the Irish correspondent of the Morning Herald, who, having been sw°, l l l : was examined by Mr. BREWSTER, Q. C., and d e posed as 2 , ° _', ‘ lows am connected with the p ress — w i t h t he Lona' . 7 Morning Herald. I am th e I r i s h correspon d ent o f that Mel and was so in the course of last summer and last autumT attended at the meetings of th e R epea l A ssoc i at i on . I 'Ras s the habit of transmitting re gu l ar ly t o L on d on b y t he pos. , re ports of what took place at those meeting.. hat 4 Mr. BREWSTER—My L or d s , I w i s h to appr i se y-sn - t the is not my intention to m a k e thi s gent l eman go over al , speeches which the Cou r t h as a l rea d y ibe heard. I will co n‘no myself almost exclu s i ve ly t o as ki ng him who took part a t meetings. Take thes e d ocuments in your hand, Mr. Jackson' so and see whether th e y are th e orig i nal notes which you sent London?—Yes, they are. Is this pape r w hi c h I now h an d you your report of the m e et' ing that was held on the 30th of May last ?—lt is. I wish you to look to page 3of that report— I see it. on Do you see in these notes a report of a speech made nr that occasion by Mr. O'Connell ?—Yes, I do. Head the first few lines.—The witness prroceeded to rk a r cl , the report, whi c h commence d b y not i cing the fact o f to O'Connell's having directed the attention of the Associatior f l ibe an error which appe are d i n th e report o f the proceedings ,° f t he Longford R e p ea l mee ti ng , w hi c h h ad been published in o s Freeman's Journal of the same date. In that report he o f made to apply the phrase " ruffian soldiery" to the a rril es er Great Britain ; but h e b egge d l eave to su ite that he ° /i ssi used any such exp ress i on . 3h e c i rcumstance to wh i c h he tie alluded in his Lon g f or d s p eec h h a d reference to the ballad of " Aileen Aroon." He (Mr. O'C. ) then proceeded his customary strain to —( Laughter.) Mr. REWSTER—That will do. u Go to ; page 6 now and read from that ; I not seen those manuscripts since you sent tb'em to London ' only got them from Mr. Kemmis tootht initial. „ 6 et believe yo 'l' ake that document, and refer e rseeting of Jn i ss, e r' the Association. I should observe, ms Lords, that t2 ::, s cir tleman's evidence applies only to the meetings of the tion at the Corn Exchange, and nothing else. t. the Look to page 1, and see which of the : traversers were a meeting ?—Daniel O'Connell. f 04° Look to page 6, and see if there 'were any others e ll• there ?—Yes, the Member for. Kilkenny, Mr. John O' C°ti Mr. Barrett, of the Pilot, and Mr. Steele. ell ° Go back to p age 6 , an d read a portion of Mr. O'Corin o d speech. Wit ness, reading, " He (Mr. O'Connell) r i s t ,stl yesterday amid t:/le scenes of Sax on cruelty, and the stu th e Cromwellian , co ld-bl oo d e d butcheries, commencing w ith th e murder of 'Sir Charles Astley." (Mr.. O'Connell correctl t he witness., Askell"), Sir Charles Askell, and ending W it little drum boy. O e o f row turn to where h e announces t h e meet i ngs he b to, co m e o ff, an d rea d.—" I w i ll be at Kilkenny on the 60t ire June ; at Mallow o n th e 11 t h ; at M urroe or Abingdon on ` 13th ; at Ennis on th e 15th ; at A thlone on the 18th ; L I, sii: niskillen on the 21st."—(M r . O'C onnell, {r Oh, °T r oia" laughter.) The witness again correcte d himself E n nis' at Galway on the 25th ; at Dundalk on the 5 29th. 10 ( ' lies 1 he Did Mr. Steele make a speech at the meeting 7- - t ot e Steele came forward amidst great cheering , and sa id s or t, had received a letter, stating that the Glasgow Her al a er s s ied to hold a banquet on the 29; and Mr. O'Connell h. it _ nes t a sovereign from an Englishman, who blushed for tnied. ment by his countrymen of the noblest race in the yr° r ,., t ° Mr. HATCHELL asked if this meeting was set forts. n 't/bill of particulars ? Mr. BREWSTER said all th e meet i ngs were se t forth 2 th e but he would now turn to th a t o f th e 4t h of July.le in Mr. FORD made an ohservation, which was inaudih gallery. fre ts Mr. BREWSTER should not tell the jury that, beel °se w it4 e was no such meeting. It was struck out. (Handingh o f the another document), Look to page I, and tell me wh,, s 2c . n iel§ e traversers you find attending that meeting?—Mr. JJ'''" Mr. John O'Connell, Mr. Steele, and 11r. Ray. , d tr e e, Go to page 7, and say if there was any money receive_ s on S e from America ?—Yes, several sums were handed in from te of rice. Mr. Duffy and Mr. John O'Connell were prose gel t o meeting which took place on the sth of July. see ,:i ‘ sli su , r es my notes of that meeting ; Mr. O'Connell said h e he ba li t ser call the attention of the meeting to two points ; ed ole os , ceived a letter from a person in Sligo which inelq e rol ro ss letter from a discharged soldier, who stated that he o,'ooo played by O'Connell to drill the peasantry. He k nell) then called the attention of the meeting "' iv, er igio - o se conspiracy which existed in th e nor th, an d said it: o il) s r i ,tsf by the Chartists in Scotland. H e (M r . O'Ll ie tens" about Lord Cloncarthy who a tt em pt e d t o pr event 001 r e o i from going to a Repeal meeting. es-A d s ct Was Mr. Ray, the secretary at that meeting, 9 10 0 igo f member that. The witness proceeded to read islsredig Mr. O'Connell's speech in which he alluded to thi s frin si $ Downshire, who endeavoured to prevent his tenat s iat ion. t o e: to a Repeal meeting or joining the Repeal A 72 0, th§ orio e , l 2 . (Mr. O'Connell) also read a letter from Anserl, r. O'C t ti ° casion. I see page 4 of my notes where sir' d tha t le moved that the letter be inserted on the minnt e %„iter§' peer thanks of the Association be conveyed to the the w. , r e' (Mr. O'Connell) said here were allusions 7 i t s' po r which came well from America, as the tone , 0 re ad s l sle- . . sponsive to liberty. The witness continued 11 0 . Ile tion of the speech made by Mr. O'Connell rhanks of tie te e O'Connell) concluded by moving " that th e . 1: meeting be sent to the subscribers in Americ a ens non o i eir: tion was seconded by Mr. Steele, and P as ", F ortin% ; 1%1 ; I see page 10 of my notes, and observe ssorts eso O'Connell's speech ; the notes are not in I' Wilai v ' s r e of John O'Connell read a letter on that day from . ' OO to Delaware, which letter contained subscripten9„,ene!2 thanks was passed to the subscribers. The witness A i r . o o d read portions of Mr. O'Connell's speech. o , 0 . 9 5, :4 (.0 0 , 11 0• said the people ought to avoid the example ss i_ ion s o; C e thing like it, as it was by such means the u" A/em ber§ ° ber t el He did not forget the language used .by an , sir Re s o f et% binet ; Wellington, in the House of Lords, . t s olo's, en the' f in the House of Commons, had the audacity s sS .e n . g o e t_ war, but that would check the march ofi Rep eal ' t . em s a ntl th o , 7 , spoke of civil war, let them look be s ore h standwould not were alone, attack e b d ut tle h y e i h w a ,t, l pi t e he o r i n re sl; a l e a nn t i i ci i e ie t d; , ,• b i...6 o and under his advice they would never cortau , they were attacked. THE SUN, LONDON, MONDAY EVENING, JANUARY 22, 1844.