The Sun. — London, England, 1839-03-08 00:00:00

~• I'~ VEN IN G EDITION. ANTI-CORN LAW DELEGATION. STATE UP Fi-ELING IN MAN- I CHESTER. Information has been received from Caithness and I . 4 9.• ) Ork ney , t h at pet i t i ons for m the repeal of the Cor n li s I MANCHESTER., MAUCH 6. I am anxious to draw your attention to some facts are being signed very generally, anti that in Sherk tl ,l r; the poor suffering and starving fishermen are so taken up , ,hich seem of weig:at, in reference to last night's meet with the question, ing here. that it is bdieved that every i s land • i It is admitted by the 11-lonc%ester gentlemen to be will b 3 a bl e to send its petitinn, and that ene-half of the ) They unpar a ll e l e d among the meetings in this town. Abnu Populati on vain sign for freedom from restriction. r H find th at they cannot sell their fish to corn- r•••• 1,000 (say four thousand) indivi•luals were present. 1 would say the wor king classes preponderated. \Via f 4 ticii3g cou n t ries , t h ere War no want ofcorn, - aud Ih-a ; the exception of between fifty and one hundred (I think they are tlier e f ore dispes7-d to ass.i.t in agitati on , I overrate their numbers), all seem e d bent t o h ear an d whieh will alike serve the manufacturer of • Tio, reso!tuion rie c l a r a t or y o f deternina "bscure vill age , an d t h e li s h ermaa o f t h e remote s h ores the great c ity o f commerc,, the agriculturist .:f the little under ''` and. ; tion -to persevere to the stru;gie f',4.. the repeal of the of our country. i Corn•laws, was carried with six di ssen ti en t h an d s . M r . • There is Cobden listened to wish eager attention, although great encouragement to hope for the favour- ; ' was. ' once or twice attempts were made by a f w Chartists to able settlement of the question, from the interest whie.ti . give vent t , theirhitterness against him. Mr. Breeks, with the agri cu l tura l e l a , s i s taking% hrther for or grains' it, . se and broad humo ur k e pt t h e au di ence on Ugly l et them begin to exiiniee, and light will break in his shrewd nse upon the subject. Some very interesti ng statements late the broad grin. Curran and M eene , t wo o ld opera ti ve Pros- R adicals, told some hone truth s t o th e genera tion ol been nines:, to t h e Committee as to the situation and pion. AS a s t ranger i n M anc he s ter, Pects of anvi l u l ture i n R uss i a. A gentlema:r who has re- unfledged gosliogs, who would a rrogate an exelusivc tid e d in that cou n t r y for many years as an auriculturi.-t right to the design -1 feel ave.s.er to g;ving a d i , c id e d o pi n i on , b u t judlitig by SaYS,th i tt w h eat eanot b e cultivated there, on th c aver..;-ze, : for l ess than 355. per the numbers, decorou s b e h avour , an d apear' nt, respee 40S. will pay. Ili ce: trier, and usually rot less than : tabtlity of numbers, night's meeti ng , I f ee l conv ; nee d that there left that country, an d 5,1,1 his estate : 1 -“ here, becau se f rom t h e operat i on of tilt' English. exists here a jodierous an d p atr i o ti c ph a l anx , w hich by ~U,r his pr o d uct i on. He says the notion of corn bungorn-laws, h e cou ld not f i n d airy remunerating mar kets : p.Tse. a aerance miy bring mast e r and man to-,t,ether,and i exerose ben: ticiai influetace over the future destinies 1 . i grown in su c h quant i t i es t h ere, as to s'.vamp the coin of the country. g: . rowers here, i s entire l y w i t h out f acts f or its tornado- . trilli i . °o ; as th ere are old) , -corti::in di‘seriptions of l an d that grow corn, anti from ale si•ve , ity of iii:r clim,te, the are so uneeriain, that open the whole, the profit s of wheat-land are less than tCose in Earl:mi. As to stock, h e says , t h e cost o f pro,iding fin- them through the wi nter i s so great t h at Our E rc2 l, -h mar k ets v . e __ould alway s h ave a decided suj-•crerity over it:e ltnssiaris ; but th at b Y keeping our s u p at t: high piie.-, de ruin the consumers at home, and, by our prohibition, u -'toy the p ro d uce a b roa d . If the resirictioi•s o f commerce were removed, the cultivation of land at at would ren d er a f a i r return, an d t h e manu f acturer ~,0 b . Ol llO, and the ag r i c ult ur i s t a b roa d, might bot i urish. A s i t i s, a ll c l asses su ff er, for the seemin t i emporary benefit, but fimd ruin di' the landowners. CORONER'S INQUEST. MELANCHOLY DEATH OF ANOTHER MEI: BER OF THE LArE OR. VANCE'S FAMILY Yes'erday laves` was hld at the Plou2h Ilampstead, btfwe Mr. Wi.kirty and a Jury compusei of tr e nitiO-ticiuring gentry, on vi, , w of the body of the Rm.'. Vacate, who -ass k llYa on Tuesday last by being thrown from iris This inquiry attended with eircums 4 ances of painful intcres, which hive null . ) , been exceeded. The de ceased's brother was killed at Oxford, while a Fellow o f one of the C 41eges, through a fractured skull, caused by being thrown from Hs horse. The deceased'- sister, a pro mi,teg'young 1.. d, 11.0 ov:r the banisters of her father'3 house, and ais., : - .-.e•tired her skull, of which injury she ul thnately I:it , ithstanding the pdatul operation of trepanning was her formed bt Dr. Vance, of Sackville street, her father. The Doetor himsrlf was killed alnut tw&ve month's since by b.ieg pu.hA down stairs by a lu natic, who was his patient ; no less thau four violent dea-hs in one family. Ann Morris, a m,tried woman, a nurse, and in the ser vice of Mrs. Forster, of 13,11 size-lane, Hampstead, stated that her hu?bane was coachman to Mrs. Forster. She tid not know the dec:NaSed gentl , -man befure Tues:lay last. He was then ot, horsb and the horse was coming at a very rapid rate from the direction of Mr. Wright's, the banker's hous,!. Mrs. Forster was at the window, and slit exclaimed, ‘• Oh nurse, here is a horse running away." The deceased feil from the horse about the middle of the lane, near the cott:ge gate. Witness ran out instantly, and Smith, Mr. • Parson's gardener, was supporting him in his arms. The deceased was not dead, but was quite in sens:ble ; Hood was flowing from his ear. The deceased alas taken into th r cottage of Mr. Walker, and Mr. Davis, a surgeon, sent for. He arrived in about twenty minutes, and immediately bled the deceased, who did not appear at all to revive under that operation. The accident happened about six o'clock, and she staid with the deceased at Mr. Walker's cottage till about seven: She heard the unfortunate gentleman had died about two o'clock in the morning. She has not heard what canned the horse to run awa:„ WEST CORK MINING COMPANY The Half-yearly- General Meeting of the Share holders of this Company,. took place yesterday at • their offices in New Broad-street-court. E. WARNER, Esq. in the Ch a ir. The minutes of the last meeting- were road, at which, it was recommended that the Directors should proceed with vigou r in the leyll proceedings, to recover the property of which the Company considered they had been unjustly deprived. An Abstract of the Accounts was presented, from which it appeared that of 1,6204 which had been re ceived, a small balance remained in hand. A SHAREHOLDER asked if it was not usual to have report on such occations. The CRAfasteiN said there was in fact nothing to report—for while the law proceedings were going on, the mines were perhaps filled with water. The adoption of the accounts having been moved and carried, A SHAREHOLDE R inquired if CO information might be expected as to tLe law proceedings ? The CHAIRMAN s lid, th.►t the Irish Lord Chancellor having decided against the Company, it had been re solved to appeal from that decision to the House of Lords. By the CORONER Ilts heard the horse belonged to Mr. Walker. The accident happened close to that gentleman's gates. The deceased seemed to have no command of the horse. The horse ran away after the deceased fell; the deceased fell on his head. The horse appeared to stop suddenly when oppodto Mr. Walker's house ; the deceased then fell off, awl th, , n the horse Started again. She does not think the deceased had the reins tightly in hand when the accident happened. Afttr some further evidence to the same effect, The CORONER said the case was a very melancholy one, but the facts were perfectly clear ; it was such a one as too often happened by persons riding horses with which they were unacquainted. There Was no doubt the deceased was getting on the horse when she started off, and he was un able to check her. A SHAREHOLDER inquired on what ground that ap peel was presented The CHAIRMAN said it had been founded on the fist sentence (chiefly) in Lord Piunket's judgment :—" I h ate no diffi cu l ty i n deciding this case, because, from the amount of property involved, I believe it wi'l be submitted to another tribunal."—(Laughter.) From that it would appear that Lord Plunkett was rather doubtful of his own judgment. The appeal would he heard in the course of the present Session. A SHAREHOLDER expressed a great desire that the litigation which had been carried to such an enormous extent, and at such heavy expence, should be put an end t o by some amicable arrangement. The CHAIRMAN said he feared it was too late, parti cularly as the decision of the Irish Chancellor had given 60.000/, to the other party, and it was almost impossi ble to settle that point amicably. A SHAREHOLDER said he knew the present Lord Audley (with whom the Company are at law) was sin cerely desirous of coming to some amicable settlement, OR condition that he was not to he made responsible for the deeds of peraons who had acted as the repre sentatives of his father. The CHAIRMAN said the Directors were quite willing to treat with any parties who were authorized to offer a settlement. But believing, as he did, that the Com pany had a just right to he property litigated, they did consider that from them any overture ought not. to be exptcted—(Hear, hear)—and until any such over ture was made by the opposite party, the Directors were determined to conduct the appeal vigorously, a n d energeti ca lly, an d perseveringly.--( Hear, har.) .The Meeting then separated. The Jury immrdia'ely returned a verdict of" Accidental death." NATIONAL CONVENTION. (YESTERDAY.) Mr. JAMES TAYt.on in the Chdr. Mr. Hartwell banded in ten pounds rent from the London district, and Mr. Carpenter said that fifteen pounds had been lodged at Prescott's Bark, to die cre dit of the Treasurer. Mr. ROGERS reported that the balance of (ash in hand was 930/. 7s. 9d. NON-EXPULSION OF THE OFFENDING MEMBERS. Mr. WHITTLE brought forward his motion that Mestsrs. Julian Harney, Wm. Ryder, and Richard Marsden, should be expelled the Assembly, for Lot apo logizing, according to the vote of yesterd.iy. Seconded by Mr. MILLS. To which, Mr. SANKEY moved an amendment, that " The apo logy which they had given was sufficient." Mr. SKEVINGTON seconded it. Two or three other amendments were put and with drawn,.with the purpose of indu&ng the meeting to act in unanimity. SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. (LLOYD'S.) • The one which Dr. Taylor proposed, to, the ef fect, that no further notice of the aff.•4ir he taken by the Convention. led to a lengthened discu•sion. P CUSTOM HOUSE, MARC'S 7. fro ,N EN TERED INWARDS.—The Earl of Liverpool, L ,, mix, 11 . OSterld • Batavia, Dunlop, Rotterdam : Anna Gesa, de n' Alton a ; Anna Cornelia, Daniels, Emden ; Hoop e • V E:ev, Groningen; Friend George ; Spieser, Twining; Oldetilhelmina, Slat-, ditto ; Frau Maria, Frues, Odense; hur iatElenora Brunckho r st, Altona; Gerberdina, t g; Gertrud e , S tager , Fortuna, Hamsen, Verce j'egele, Troud, Vroevv, Engelina, Vlaskamp, Zelder . Rust, 1; o 11 „ 13 , k ,"ff, Goede Verivagling, Wynstock, Jonge Wicker, G; 0 " e " 1 - 1 ', Geziena, Razema, and Juffa, Anne Schollens, ,„ inthgen; Johanna Herman, Janssen, Etnden; Imma- Ooyer, Leer, Floffaund, Zimmermann, Jemgurnen, Alaanw, Antineer, Lucht, Emden ; Antwerpen, Button, si,th"rl,; Arehimede; Trapini, Messina ; Swallow, A - a T t P_ s °n, Antwerp ; Doroteo, Writer, Ditzum ; Frau 4e, Werbbema, ditto; Giraffe, Stranack, Rotterdam. e. NT tl e i r "ED OUTWARDS.—The Swallow, Teiriam, for Ma- Nora a nd Para; John Pantie, Elsdon, Mauritius; Grant, o_e, M adeira, An icrua and Montserrat; Isabella, Monro, ' - ' 4 Fe G ood H CLE AR ., Hope. Os tend our WITH CARGO.—The Victoria, Escuetine, try, 5 ,.; Liverpool, M‘Leod, Lisbon, &c. ; Symme -osenici Michael's ; C aro li ne , , C aspersen , O a lb org ; wid, Milliker, New York ; Jubilee, Spencer, Ham ln ; Thames Marquis, M a d ra s and Calcutta ; Sand- St • Tho -- Luci a ; D eux S i eurs, Bordeaux ; Forester, It sPs°ll, Memel • M ars h a ll, M ars h a ll, D antz i c ; Jubi ' 'Peneer, Hamburg. Mr, WHITTLE finally withdrew his motion, when Mr. RICHARDSON moved that the meeting should not only expel these genvemen, but pass a vote of censure on them. This motion was lost by a majority of 6 ; and a reso lution 'that a sufficient apology had been already made was passed by a majority of 7. Dr. TAYLOR said he would call the notice of the meeting to the many misstatements which had taken place in that most extraordinary Newspaper, the Bir mingham Journal, whether from accident or design he could not say. But it was hard to account for the many false reports which were put forth by that Paper. They had lately stated that only 600,000 signatures were yet obtained to the petition, when it was known to every person that they amounted to nearly 1,100,000; and it also stated that Lanarkshire sent only 3,000, whereas the numbers were really 83,000. Mr. RICHARDSON opposed a motion of Mr. Harney's, which went to call for simultaneous meetings on Good Friday throughout the country. The motic n was ,negatived.—After passitg the Trea surer's accounts o.e etiog d ssolved. G y •et, MARCH 6.—Sailed the Ortessa, Marseilles. `lcggina!A'hSEND2 MARCH 6.—Arrived the Archimede, from cZe!%; H° 0 1). Vriend, Genoa ; Gertrude, Zeldenrtst, wifeelina; Fortune, Jonge Vorcher, Juffrail ; Aura, ,Uut, 9od everwasptim7; Vrow Angelina, Groningen v luebnina, _Eliza and Friend George, Tormingen , r r ,, ; P g Alt ze, Ditz'urn ; Hoffnung and Emanuel, Leo- ; c,,,;;na, Dorothea, and Anna Cornelia, Emden ; Anna d e ' rl ' a, and Maria Eleonora, Altona ; Johan Herman, Nor- Sal ; Gravelines'; Giraffe (st.), ittrd the Marchioness Hastings, for Hobart Town , ; des tl e x t ' Alc n:serrat; Star, Corfu; Ville de Paris, Lor ROTTD ter d 'nbliat, MARCH 4.—The Hoop, Boer, from Rot -1,:111 ~to Belfast, in making the Voom Canal, ran into the ttovunkerna, from London; the former had her bow /3 e, and will proceed to Delfshaven to repair. All ° ,, u 4 . I° GNE, MARCH 4.—The Jane and Mary Ann, tt' dore tLondon, which was stranded n ea r ul has been got off and carried into the Bay TurksG nthi !easy. ,A, SAN. 28.—About twenty . vessels—Greeks, al onn . nglish, and Austrian, are reported to b e wrecked Channel. near Tache Bizoche. 1)4141. 1, 21e i Fn. 26.—The Eva Sicomest. Merry, sailed at ellee the 23.1 inst. for Liebau, got on shore on the Reef otNordergatt, but came off and into this port yesterlay, fro Pill au Part ofher re4(itedischargni cargo. The Ulrica, B o b- With , au to Leith, put into this port yesterday, la t‘ Pumds choked, and cargo shifted. The - tsY, Allward, fro m Marie ai.d Riga to Amsterdam. stated to have t4ssed the Sound the 27th November, and not since heard ..rtived in the Texel the 2d inst. n'oaTsmount, Mama' 5.—A brig, timber laden and e e :2 l -i gged ' "ith " London" on the wreck, was passed arrived ult• in lat. 43. long. 10, by the Enrico, Padovan, ‘‘,‘,, here from Venice. o , k hkesTrooL, MARCH. 2.—A green ash oar, a c , a , bl n e tier one e n d , ' 311 ), about twenty...two feet long, marked '• k et Some handspiks, marked " Tino, about fifteen 1).. a large lower mast painted white. a scrubbing oats, J. and A. on '4°l'v'ith and a great quantity of IN l ave r been washed on shore here. Aznanianuz, MARCH, 2 —The Mary, Rolan,. from l hour, tq Glasgow, sprung a leak after entering this lar- Qu a i t ,', w as WDrped into shoal water, and filled, but was u tiextd,y and laid dry, and proceeded to-day 114111.1-EPoot. !MARCH 4. —The Johns, Gordon,f r om . u nder!, 'h • bar in entering this h to London, struck upon t v a rbour, is leaky, and - will be laid on the ground. S',,!ssEs SPOKEN WITH ' —The Baronet, from London to rta Leone. in lat. 48, lon. 10 • Earl of Durham,. tr l i . in t 6 to Sydney, New South' Wales. Oct. 23, in • OrlcI"' 20; Pandora, Drake, from Amsterdam to New f r., a n% J.in. 7, in lat. 22, lon. 37 ; Telegraph, hider, LliMessina to Cronstadt, 7th ult , off Malaga, by the I Muller. arrived at Surinam ; lt , indeer, of Yarmouth, for)r (::: iverP " l, in lat. 42, lon. 15 ; Romance, of Newcastle,. Strived ainople, in lat. 40, lon. 6, by the Palmyra, Gill, at Falmouth. i t IC r t •ILWAY BAILS. —A very ingenious appa tili-111;'011as just been erected by order of Government on the tett e d f rom London to Liverpool ; for exchanging the ie4str: conveyed by the travelling post-office, without in the hr cking the speed of the steam carriage. The bags tit - 1:11°.w taken and left, at any rate of speed, however rapid p et ii,: c h the train may be travelling, thus considerably Px• s ao n g the transit of correspondence, eff,!cting a vast 40 :`:g in the c , insumption of steam power, and though last l east .° irtivrtio.c e getting rid of th e li a bili ty o f se bi°l's accidents t o the ' parties employed in exchanging the se aga i n t h e old mode.A gentleman of the name o f Itnm ,jtYt'kconneeted with the General Post-office, is the inventor tp:„ a Pparatus in q uest i on . e lea rn from good authority, that the apple re?r trees give gctd promise, of plentiful birys , :o m I.l'6nout the eutintry.—llerefiird Timis, NELSON MEMORIAL. We yesterday attended the Exhibition of the Da signs which have been sent in for the Nelson Memorial. We were anxious to judge how far the Exhibition de served the condemnation heaped upon it in a Morning Paper as a " disgrace to the artists of this country." We had a strong impression that unless there was most unequivocal ground for such a swerping denouncement, it was (to use the language of Mr. Britten at the meeting on Monday) " cruel and ungenerous." And we con fidently expected to find that the English artists, when called upon for so noble and national an object as the erection of a Monument to one of England's greatest heroes, could not be in so low a position as to furnish no designs but what were absolutely worthless. Before we notice any particular designs we would say a word as to the general principles, which we conceive should be considered in regard to the con struction of national memorials to distinguished per sonages. The main object in such cases is, we imagine, not so much architectural magnificence, or allegorical representations, as the perpetuation of the person and likeness of the hero, by the medium of sculpture ; and in as grand and impressive a style as possible. Let it be recollected that the purpose is rather to erect a monument to Nelson than to raise a memorial of Trafalgar—that it is the victor tom., than the victory that is to he commemorated ; end that the triumph is to be remembered in the figore of the conqueror. Now, temples, cenotaphs, or arches, we . think, are quite at variance with the personal objet of such a memorial. Posterity willook, not to see how the architects of thel9t h century desired, hut to gaze with all-engrossing interest on the sculptured figure of the immortal hero. For the same reason we think a column would be pre-eminently absurd, as we arc at a loss to conceive what object can be attained by placing a statue where it most be alto gether indisti7guishable, save as a shapeless mass of bronze or marble. Now of the three models on which the Sub-Comn.it tee of the Nelson Memorial have placed the seal of their approbation, one is a column, another we can only describe as a succession of pedestals, diminishing in size as they ascend ; and by a singular appropriate ness on the higher one—that is, of course, the least visible—there are some basso relievos—the whole being surmounted by a thing which nobody would ever be able to discriminate as a statue. The third is by Bailey, and consists of an obelisk, rising from a rock, surrounded at the base by an allegorical group of statuary—Britannia crowning Nelson, attended by Vic tory, while Neptune, with subordinate Deities, are rising from the sea. The designing is good, but we are not satisfied with the statue of Nelson. The model which most fixed our attention by its unique simplicity was one by F. H. Wodington, and is composed of a m.issy pedestal, with projecting blocks at the corners, on which are reclining figures, typical of the four chief victories of Nelson ; the pedestal being crowned by a colossal statue of the hero, in a commanding itude, executed in admirable style, and one of the beA likenesses we ever saw, The simple grandeur of the whole struck us as very appropriate to the subject. Tiler. was a very elegant design, by Messrs. Snlvin and Smi , h, of a Temple (reminding us somewhat of the celebrated " Temple of the Winds" at Athens)—a conical roof, being supported by pillars of the Corinthian order, alternately di% iding openings, and spaces filled up with tnodeilin zi o f s o m e of Nelson's principal victories; in the interior h4-in; a statue of the hero. Among the 6esi , ns flr bronze (of wl-,ich there were few) was one by Mr. Westmaeott for a statute. Mr. Britton has sent in a design for a cenotaph—of which wowitionly sayihat, though beautiful in iWll—" any' E SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, MA RCH 8, 18:39 thing must be, drawn by that aVe architect—it dues not seem a very fit design for such a Memorial. Altogether the result of our inspection was, that, on the ()fie hand, the exhibition did not deserve unqualified and undiscriminating censure ; yet, on the other band, it was by no intans calculated to e tri, a very exalted idea of the genuis of E. gish artists. Of the whole number, there were not above three or•four which he should deem worthy of selection, and scarcely half-a -' dozen which poss esse d any hi g h d egree o f excellence— esclusive of columns, of which an architect's apprentice could draw a hundred, merely hating to copy a model of . one of th e fi ve O r d ers, aro l p l aw , a figure on the top . of r. But the re was a vast quant i ty o f c hildi s h pucrit nos and 16ntastic ii absurdhies—columns inter ,ected by the sterns of boats, iooking like a Chinese pagoda—im mense towers, surrounded by w'ndicir staircases and resting on huge uutu,oleurns, locking like old prints of the To,,er of Babel---p:dt;y devices, looking like the sp , mive ereat;ons of a pastry cook's fancy—and hete t,.gennus m:sses of allegorical groups—sailors and sea s.:rsei, classical costumes and B:iiish on:forms—looking lik,! nobody could guess what. wereshe vial original (.) fact ivas n a tii,l s a3 t tt a st t : e rn ofreadiness l:lisssieclh. haseato(oir been e the een s ilp n a i de t no o v &'a. n her being paid off her masts were surveyed and found sound, but being on the construction of the late surveyor of the Navy, Sir Robert Seppine, and being found strained, in order to secure them it was proposed to put in new cheeks and fishes. These were prepared, but in consequence of the wood being new, it was thought ad ai-eible, so long as the ship was not required to leave them unchecked to season. That was the explanation he had received.—(Hear, hear ) At the same time he ( Earl Minto) had desire.l to know, in the event of a Ifth on t board, antl had ir also s vessel b e i ng requ i red, when she would be ready for s e a, r and he was told th a t i n e; writtentlie ntsoastksnowcouldbe p whether, in the event of a sudden call, there were other masts suitab!e for the Revenge, and unappropriated, and the reply was that there were ; the date of the letter was the of February. The Noble Earl proceeded, in a very indistinct to.tnner, to refer to the visit of Lord Ileribeieke to the storekeeper's. The storekeeper's ac count of the visit stated that his Lordship was perfectly s itisfied with what he saw, and, in fact, did not consi der it necessary to go throttA the entire of the store room,- There were then complete sifts of sails with tepleas.s ready rn• three fr:g,ates en foreign s,t , •l ice. Second rates one ditto-L'excepting a few sails, they were entirely complete. L rd HA RD WICKE.—I do not understand that. —( flear. and letigh!er.) Lord MINTO.--1 sail .hree sums of sails. Lord HARD W CK E.—l understand- thee— ( Iseughter.) Lord Mi N TO—There were eight topsails only wautine for the second-rate. There was one third-rate Stilt complete, except fore and maia.topsail. There were altogetior in the store 66 top ails for ships of the flee. With respect to the other parts of the Noble Earl's speech lie could produce papers, but which he bad not now ebont him, from which he could answer in detail.—(Elea, hear, bear.) He would produce those upon :.in early occasion. The Noble Lord had saii! that there were PO topsails for demonstration ships. He thought the Noble E sri was entirely mistaken here. Bat if his p •pars should cot bear him out in this de eleration, altl,ou2h be bad the strongest conviction that they would, he would coni:ss that he had been exceedingly in error, and that in that case our supply of stores iv.'s far short of what it ought to be, and what was indispenriNe to the service of the country. Lord HARD W ICKE, in explanation, stated that the Noble Ear's a:trnission that the 66 suits of topsails ~ vere included in the stores, only confirmed what he (Lord H irdwicke) had said.—(llear.) The Deice of WELLINGTON, after a few pre- I - minary words, which were lost to the Okra, was un de-stood to remark that to his great regret he was appreheosive their Lerships had entirely overlooked the most important part of this momentous question. He was happy indeed to bear that the Revenge had three good masts, but he would beg leave to remind them that the discusssion had turned upon demonstration ships, which if called upon were not ready for action ; lie would ask Noble Lords, were not we at war in two quarters of the world at this moment ? (Hear, - hear.) We were at war in America, and we were carrying on war to a great extent in Asia.—( Hear.) He thought, therefore, that the forces of this country should he on a war establishment—whereas, this discus sion had turned upon she question of the propriety of supporting a peace establishment —nay, more, a reduced peace establishment. What! carrying on war in two quarters Of the world at the same time with a reduced peace establishment ! Ile would remind their Lord ships that nearly two years ago he wnrned them against the consequences of persevering in such an attempt. He believed since that time they had been feeling the inconveni , :nce of' such a course,-and he trusted in God that danger and disaster might not soon make them feel still more the fatal error of persevering in that system. A fence establishment—even a peace establishment— mieht be very fit and very proper fhr service in time of :‘peace. But when you come to carry on war, your peace establishments would not be found equal to perform the duties required from them in time of peace, and likewise those extensive duties required from them in time of war. Now he would like to call their Lordships' attention to one important. point as illustrating the dangerous ab surdity of carrying on war service with a peace esa blishment in the N ivy. In the mon:h of August last year, a discussion took place in the House with . respect to the blockade in Mexico.—(Hear.) In his opinion, as well as in the opinion of several Noble Lords, it was expedient to send a squadron of her Majesty's ships to that pert of the world to look after the blockade, and to afford protection to the lives and commerce of' her Majesty's subjects in that country.—(Heer, hear.) 'Flue French Government did not carry on war with the peace establishment. When they went to war with Mexico, and sent a force there, it was a force upon us waihestabliehment ; and what hap pened, they carried on war ope ra ti ons , an d war opera tions of a very active description ; but we being en gaged in a war with part of America, and having only a peace establishment, were obliged: to take our ships engaged in operations of war, from North Arne riea, where they were for the purpose of putting down tile rebellion in Canada, to send them to the Gulph of Mexico, to perform the peace duties of giving . protection to the commerce of British subjects. Admiral Sir Charles Pag-,et was ordered with his squadron to prrform those duties in North America, nod that squadron was subsequently withdrawn, for the purpose of being sent to Mexico to perform peace du ' ties—that WAS a point which he complained of. We were carrying on war with America, and also in Asia ; trig of them requiring all the- force and power which this country could send out, in order to bring that war to an early and honourable termination. We were doing that with a reduced peace establishment, sod in curring all descriptions of risk in every other part of the world. And this was the case while these disputes between Noble Earls weregoing on upon whetherthere were or were not a few masts in certain ships in the dock-yards of this country, while, in point of fact, comparatively the whole of the force at this moment was unarmed and unfit for the contests that were going forward. He had stated this over and over again a year and a half ago, and be now repeated that our force was totally inadequate even to peace duties. .A Noble Lord a few evenings ago adverted, from a correspon dence that belied, to the inconveniences resulting to the colonies from the vast number of volunteers that had been called under arms in that particular spot. The truth was that both agricultural and every other inte rest was at a stand still there, and though a soldier was saved by every volunteer that was called into the ser vice, yet an infinitely larger sum of money was in that way required. It was known to all the world, and must be known to the Government, that our establishment was quite inadequate to bring the wars that were now going on to an early and honourable end, and which never could be successfully accomplished unless the wars were undertaken in earnest. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said the only question before the House was, that a petition should lie on the table, and the only entice that had been given was of a motion for the production of a memorial re specting the administration of justice in Mullingar.— ( Hear, hear.) He did not object to the ob servations made by the Noble Duke, but he was sure the Noble Duke would feel with him that they were so important as that the subjects on which he had touched ought not only not to have been entered upon without notice, but that they ought. not to have been entered upon in the absence of the Noble Lord at the head of the Government, who was prevented from at tending. in his place from indisposition. The present ieeenp'e might induce their Lordships to be a little more attentive in future to the regulation of the pro ceedings. Upon an incidental proceeding the Noble Duke had announced his opinions and apprehensions on topics of vast importance, and in the estimation of which importance he (the Noble Marquis) could not yield to the Noble Duke, or any one else. In his opinion they required to be the subject of grave con sideration. He did not rise, therefore, to follow either the Noble Duke or the two Noble Lords who had pre ceded him, the two latter, in their discussio n of adap tation of sales and masts at Plymouth and Portsmouth ; but lie would say he trusted the Noble Duke would afford his Noble Friend at the head of the Government a future opportunity of explana tion on this subject. While he, the Noble not shut his eyes to tilos. Marquis could rave subjects parts of th of' apprehension, in various e world, which night eventually affect the interests of the country, be could not admit that this country was in a state of war. He could not admit that this country was in a st a t e o f war with any maritime P who had looked He conte n d e d , and any of their Lordships i n t o t h e detai ' s of the subject must know, that while this country had a establishment, it was ap eke establishment supe riorpeace peace establishment that h a u l to almost any ever been found to exist in any former rl period of the maritime history of the country. Not only i w l as a larger peace establishment than those which existed before, an which at very recent periods had been thought by for mer Governments wholly adequate to maintain the in tegrity!f the country ; but that, being a and dignity o . had up to this moment not been peace establishment , once found wanting i n an y quarter of the globe in which it had been found necessary to assert the dignity of the British liar, an d m aintain the interest of th e Govern ment. Without entering. into further details, he wished to set the Noble Duke right upon an important point, upon which he had unintentionally been led into mistake, and which it was material, both as Government, to the credit of the and to the establishments of the country, should be distinctly un derstood. The Noble . Duke supposed th at t h e Br i tish force, which for the protection of British interests had been recently usefully and effectively employed upon the Coast of Mexico, could only be obtained by with drawing that force from the Coast of Canada. He could assure the Noble Duke, that he had been misin formed on that point. The greater portio n of the force ' had been sent out from this country. and no one single ship had been withiyawn from. the Coast of Canada for The I that purpose, which had not been so ordered to be with. drawn by previous orders, independently of what was oceuring in Mexico ; and for the plain reason, that upon the Coast of' Canada, and in the River St. Lawrence, it would have been unsafe to have retained them there. Two ships had been removed from the Coast of Ca nada, that had not been ordered to be removed before ; and the greater force employed in Mexico, was a force at liberty in this country, and despatched from it to meet the exigencies that had arisen. This explanation he felt it to be his duty to give, but he was anxious that no further discussion should take place in the absence of his Noble Friend at the head of the Government. The Duke of WELLINGTON should not have said a word, had it not been that he considered the observa.ions of the Noslc Lords who preceded him, proceeded from something of a mistake. There was war at this moment going on by us in two quarters of the globe, and he certainly considered that our force was insuffieient to bring an. war to an hononrable and early termination. Th it %VAS his opinion. The Noble Lori opposite had said he was mistaken in respect of 'the shops that had been c did from North America ; hut so far from being mistaken, he believed he might have gone further than even he had gone. When they began to make war with peace establishments they starved the peace establishment as well as the war, be cause they had no reserve for any other purpose. He hoped that Noble Lords would not experience the truth of what he had stated ; he hoped they would feel no inconvenience from carrying on a war with a peace establishment ; he had protested against the course two years ago, and lie protested against it now. He felt strongly upon the• subject, but he could assure their Lordships that in that feeling lie had no desire wi:at ever, except the honour of the service. —(Hear, hear.) If the Noble Lord wished the question to he discussed in another shape he could have no objection to it. The subject then dropped. The Earl of ABERDEEN presented various peti tions from different parts of Scotland, praying for in creased m-ans of rel;gious instruction in that country. Lord DUNCA NNON laid upon the table an cc count of the number of cases decided in the Court of Session in Scotland in the year 1833. The Ecclesiastical Susp-nsion Bill went through Committee. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. _HOUSE OF CORDS, Ablaut 7. Tilt' Loan UHANCELLOR to :k his seat on the Wool sick at Five o'Clock. Lord KINNOUL presented petitions from severa places in Perthshire, for Church Extension in Scotland. Lord REDESDALE pre:,-nte:t plitions from the Ciy of Yort., Yardley, and other p-Uees, against any aheration in the Corndaws. Lord DACRE ptescntA petitions from the Magis trates of the of Hertford and Bradford, i:gai ist the Be•T Bill. It o.;curred to him that n re4ulstino iLight be introduced, proportioning the number of Beer Housi!s to the popur.tion of the districts in whii•li they were to !.7.e established. The Noble Lord presented a pe'ition front Rutforil, in favour of.cp tiny po,:ta 4 e. Lord BROUGHAM presented a pettiiin front Manehes'er, signed by 71 Ityvercrul Cl r.v i n, of the Church of Eagland, 8 'Liman Catit.,!ics, a Scotch, 19 Weslcyln i'dethoih.ts, 1 W..sleyan W,hop, (an Odicer which the Noble and Learned Lori was niit a are existed), and 4 Umtarian anl I oriep. , ndents, praying for the rep ea l o f the P.wer 8.11, whiid i i n their opinion had done more to demaraliz. tie people than aay inii.sure the LegisLiture had ever passed. 'roe Noble and Learned Lord would have an opportunity of stating his opinions lady upon this subject here• after, and thcref;ire he contented him clt with simply stating the petition. The Noble and Learned Lord then presented petition; from the boroughreeve, churchwardens, and overseers of Manchester ; fi•ont the :nhabitaats of Newton ; from the Lee Union in Lin- ,oloshicc, which was the largest Union in England ; from a place in Lancaliiie ; and from the borough of Leeds ; all praying for the repeat of the Beer Act. Also petitions from the spinners, sewers, and other females emp:oyed in the muslin trade in Glasgow ; from the inhabitants of Warrington ; of Idle, in Yorkshire ; of th 9 Corporation of the Royal Borough of Duinterm• line ; the inhabitants of Clackfurd ; of Lougtown ; of 1,t256 female inhabitants of Kilsyth ; a meeting of the inhabitants of Cupar ; from the inhabitants of St. Mawes ; a parish in the county of Aberdeen ; and from lieckmondwike, all praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws. Also, a petition from the mail and and stage-coach con tractors, and principal innkeepers, between London and Glasgow, praying their Lordships forthwith, to carry into effect the Report of the Select Committee, as the House should think fit. AL°, a petition from Oswestry, praying for the more effectull abolition of oaths. RAIL WAYS—(IRELAND). The NOBLE and LEARNED LORD then presented pe titions from two places in the county of Tipperary, in favour of pomoting Railways in Ireland. The Noble and Learned Lord said, that Laving presented these two petitions from the respectable persons who had signed them, it na; but fair for hlui to state, that although he approved of every facility that could possibly be given for the construction of Railways in Ireland, yiA, that he shoukl most decided y oppose any attempt to obtain from this country a grant of the public money, for, that in his opinion, most unjustifiable project—( Hear, hear, and cheering) —very fit to be carried int o e ff ec t without any undue pressure either for or against it. highly tiara to carry money for it, unnaturally, to a coun try to which it would not naturally go —contrary to every sound principle of legislation—( Hear, hear) — and, very likely in any country, except Ireland, to be made the rrp..ns of practices which were called jobs.— ( Much cheering from the Opposition benches.) Therefore he gave notice, that he should strenuously oppose any such (Ent, and with a view to enable him to oppose it more successfully, he gave notice, tnat he should next week move for certain returns for - showing what, in an inliaminatory way, was generally stated to be untrue, namely, the immense sums we got from Ireland, and the very little we did for it.—( Hear.) It was too much the practice to make such statements ; lie did not grudge anything that was done for Ireland, but he wished to have the truth stated. The Earl of HARD WICKE wished to tr: , .snms on the House for a few minutes in consequence of the re inarks which had fallen from Noble Earl oppo site (Minto), the other night. In the course of the' debate that Noble Lord stated that be was satis fied with the reserve of ili , Navy, atid that lie placed great telianee on his demonstration ships ; and the Noble Lord complained of his having stated that which was untrue with regard to the two points. With regard Lo the demonstration ships at Portsmouth, in reference io the Revenge, and with reg...rd to certain. sails ; and fie stated that certain patties were aggrieved in consequence of it being stated that these returns were false. Now, with regard to the Revenge. It was his duty to acquaint their Lordships that he was at Portsmouth hiniself, that be went as a Naval officer to ascertain the state of the dock- yard, and if anything had been finis-stated the blame rested entirely with himself. The Revenge was one of those ships which the Noble Lord stated to be in readiness for active service, but one of her masts was not hooped, and he was inforthed that the contract for the iron-work would not be completed in less than eleven days. He understood the Noble Lord to say there were other masts. He (Lord Har.iwicke) never said there were not, but what number of masts had the Noble Lord ? The Noble Lord stated that he had three sets ; he (Lord Hardwicke) would give him five ; but there were eleven sail-of-the-line dismasted in the harbour.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The whale of the ordinary were dismasted. The Noble Lord would remember that he cLord 11.) said the reserve was not sufficient, and that he entered into some detail to prove that. The Noble Lord said, with reference to life sails at Plymouth, that he (Lord H.) was at fault, and he was ready to admit that it was so ; but suppose he granted that, did - it alter his argument with respect to the condition of the reserve ? The Noble Lord . said Irt had seven sets of sails. Was that all the Noble Lord had got ? There was not a complete suit of sails for a single line of battle ship in store. The Noble Lord stated that there were coal-tote suits of sails for three first rates, but it turned out that on the 31st of January there were some of these seas deficient. There were three suits of sails for second-rateJ, with the exception of six fore-top sails, six main-topsails, and four mizen-topsails; and there were three suits of sails for third -rates, with the exception of two main-topsails and four mizen-topsails. The Noble Lord seemed to think that all his remarks were confined to the deficiency of sails and hal boasted that he had sixt , •six topsails, and he must have rummaged every hole and corner, and included sails of all sizes, because he ( Lord Hard wieke) had stated that there were no topsails for a seventy-four or eighty-gun ship. He (Lord Hardwick) had also stated that at Portsmiuth Dock yard there was not a suit of sails fur a frigate, or sloop, cr brig—there were .no second-rate of sails in ore. There were Lye sets of topsails for a fi , st-rwe, 'chiding the Britannia, and on for a third-rite in These, statements were made for the pur se of pointing out . the deficiency in stores t the present time as compared with the year 8-26. The Noble Lord seemed to-congratulate hirese'iF, store. because with twenty-one sail of the line he had, accord log to his own showing seven suits of sails, and accord ing to his (Lord l - I.'s) three suits. He would now go to frigates, and it appeared that there were for 4;h rates one suit, and for sth rates five suits, making six suits sails for eighteen sail of frigates. The fact wat, there was not a complete suit of saes in Ply mouth dock-yard, for a sloop or brig, except the Acorn. With respect to rigging, there was ten suits or rigging for 21 sail of the line, and 11 suits of rigging for 13 sail of frigates. He mentioned these points to beg their Lordsnips' pardon, for the inaccuracies he had been led into on a former occasion. Wi:h regard to the return made to the Admiralty, he thought there must be some misunderstanding, or how was it possible with thirty sail of the ine ready for sea there should be. such a deficiency of sails and rigging. Did tia, Noble Lord know that there were no yards in store at Portsmouth or Ply mouth? Did he know that far his demonstrathn ships there was not a single topsail-yard ? lie ditl not mean to say that the returns were false, because he was satisfied that the gentlemen con nected with these Departments would not state any t'..ing incorrect or false ; but he (Lord H.) did impugn them then, and he did so now, because there was a firm belief on the part of the country that these vessels were not in the state of efficiency and readiness that had been represented. . _ Earl MINTO was extremely sorry that be was n o t aware cf the Noble Lord's intention of addressing the House, or he should have come down prepared with such documents as would enable him to have given a more satisfactory reply. On the former night, he had mere'v stated that the officers of Portsmouth and Plymouth were 'anxious to state to their Lordsltip's House, that they would vouch for the accuracy of the returns. That had been his object in rising, and he had confined himself strictly to ft. The first point to which he would refer was the statement with respect to the lower masts of the Revenge, which it was said were not hooped, while he(Earf MiAo) had stated that JOHN JOSEPH LAWSON. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented the Re port of the Select Committee on the petition of John Jos 'ph Lawson. That Report stated that the Com mittee had considered the matter of the petition, but they saw uo reaon for recommending the House to comply with its pray, r. Lord LYND H uRsT gave notice, that on Monday next he should call the attention of the House to the Report. Lord SONDES presented a petition against the ecr Bill. DISTURBANCES IN MULLINGAR. .The Marquis of wEsrm EATH then rose for the purpose of bringing forward the motion of which be had given notice, for an address to the Crown for a copy of any memorial addressed to the Lord Lieutenant of the Government of Ireland, for "the liberation of Thomas Cooke from the gaol of Mullingar, wbo had been con victed at the General Sessions in March, 1837, and sentenced to fifteenth months' imprisonment; also a copy of the Lord Lieutenant's order of the 11th De cember for the liberation of the same individual. The transaction which ended in the conviction of Cooke took place in the mouth of November, 1836 In that month an individual had been most barite ' rously and cruelly ill-treated by Cooke and another person of the name of Weelan—they were bo - b brought to trial for the offence, convicted, and sen tenced to imprisonment and hard labour for fifteen months—an application was made to the Lord Lieute nant on the behalf of Cooke for a remission of that sen tence. Tlie m imorial was referred by the Lord Lieu tenant to the Judge who had tried the.prisoner, and from that report the Lord-Lieutenant on the 17th of August had stated that it was his opinion that the law must take its coursf% Now after that thdr Lordships would be surprised to find that Cooke, who had not undergone more than half his punishment, was liberated without bail, Such a circumAance, considering the present state of Ireland, was totally without precedent. Supposing that bail had been taken, he (Lord Westmeath) would ask whether the Noble Marquis was justifiA in likr ating this min upon his own application. If the Noble Marquis had adopted this course from good nature, it did his heart more credit than his understanding. The Noble Lord who had succeeded tho Noble Marquis in the Government of Ireland, had stated that it was his intention to follow the footsteps of the Noble Marquis. He,(the Marquis of Westmelth) hoped that in this re spect he would abstain from such a course, because if he expected that the benedictions which had been stated to have followed the Noble Marquis would rest upon him, he thought he would find himself deceived. For his own part, he (the Marquis cf Westmeath) could not agree that the Noble Marquis had received any benedictions from the respectable and peaceable inhabitants of Ire land. He might have received benedictions from un principled malefactors, but not •from the respectable part of society. In addition to the motion of which he had given notice, it was his intention to ask their Lordships to apply to the House of Commons for certain returns which had been laid on the table of that Howse some time since, but which their Lordships had not got, and he thought when those returns were before their Lordships it would be impossible for the Noble, Marquis to convince their Lordships that he had done his duty, considering the number of liberatidns which he had made. From that return it appeared that of the number liberated 27 were under sentence of death, 33 under sentence of transportation for V life, 2 for fourteen years, 63 for seven years, and 960 for minor offences, and out of that number only 41 were required to give bail, the Lord Lieutenant dispensing with thit essential act in all the other cases of liberation. There were only four cases in which liberation had taken place on the recommendations of Jn(lge3, and one the recommcndation of an Assistant Barrister. In the case of Ward and Gannon there wcre eighteen Magistrates on the Branch, and only three hal signed the memorial in their favour, and although a Protestant Clergyman, the Hon. and Itvv. Mr. Bro , ,vtie, had signed it, their Lordships would not place much reliance upon that, because in the event of his refusal he might meet the fate that had in other cases awaited unpopular clergymen. The Noble Marquis concluded by moving for - a copy of the memori.il presented to the Lord Lieutenant in the case of Thomas Cooke. The Marquis of NORM ANBY would confine him self to the case of which the Noble Marquis had given notice, and which he appeared in a great measure to hate lost eight of. Wl:en their Lordships found that no stronger case could be procured than one of an as sault which had taken place two or three years ago, be felt that he would he c n'y wasting their Lordships' time tOerrer at any length upon it, and that it would be es- . . , tablishing a vary dangerous precedent, which had never before been attempted to be established—that these memorials and all confidential memoranda should be produced. With respect to the case of Cooke and Whelan, who had been ecnvicted of an assault, it ap peared that Judge Pennefather stated that Cooke had received a very exci;lent character, but after reviewing all - the circumstances he (the Marquis of Normanhy) decided thi t the law should take its course. Two months a 'tem:mist is Chaplain, Dr. Vignolles, Mr. Reed, the Rei tor of Kiibride, and Mr. Sheil, a Magistrate, had forwarded certificates, giving him a most excellent character. He (the Marquis of Normanhy) directed hat, after giving sufficient security to keep the peace, that the man should be d scharged, there being nearly four mouths of his sentence unexpired. If their Lord ships were to judge from the cases which had been brought forward when there were thousands to refer to during the four years that he had been Ireland, the ground for complaint against his interference with the due administration of justice must be considered ex tremely trifling. He might here rest his general de fence of the general accusation that had been brought against him, that he had acted differently from his pre decessors, or, as the Noble Lord expressed it, that he had swept the gaols, and, acted in a manner unprece dented in the annals of that country. Bit he would call the attention of their Lordships to one little fact. Tae Noble Marquis stated that be had exercised the prerogative of mercy in more cases than in any other Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. He would produce to them the testimony of a Right Hon. Gentleman w 6 had acted as Home Secretary for many years, with the greatest credit and advantage to the country, and he would tell their Lordships what that Right Hon. Gentleman said with regard to the administration of one of his predecessors, for whom he entertained the highest respect—he meant the brother of the Noble Duke opposite (the Marquis of Wellesley). In the month (4* June, 1823, when a motion was brought for ward by Mr. Hume for the abolition of the office of Lord Lieutenant, Mr. Peel pointed out the augments tion of business that would devolve upon the Home office,and mentioned that in the past yeerin Ireland there had been 8,312 eri (Iliad convictions, that there were2,4oo applications for mercy, out of which capital eases alone 400 sentences had been set aside. Now if such charges as that were brought against him (the Marquis of Nor riaanby) what would the Noble Marquis opposite say ? Although they had heard so much of objectionable po pularity, the applications for mercy were not half the number in any one year of his Viceroyalty. He had been three or four hours every day employed in the examination of these cases, and in all of them he bad exercised his best discretion, and he could assure their Lordships that it would be a matter of the greatest satisfaction to him, so far from his making any objec tion if these mnmorials or minutes were laid on tha table, although in that case, he spoke figuratively, fur ten tables would not contain all theSe papers. He ob jected to the motion merely because it was without pre cedent, that it would be a dangerous ono to establish, and should not be acceded to, unless in a case very different from any that the Noble Marquis had at tempted to bring forward. As he understood that the whole case of the meeting at Tullamorc, and the case of Lord Bloomfield would be brought before their Lord ships, he would reserve any further observations till thou. Some allusion had been made to medical certifi catcs, but their Lordships were not perhaps aware that these certificates came from the authorised surgeons of the jails. He hoped these objections were not made fro:n mere party motives, for no one disregarded them more than he did, and however he might differ with the Noble Marquis opposite on some po'nts of general policy, he entertained the highest re spect for his character. With regard to these certifi cates he had some months before he left Ireland issued directions that more attention should be paid to the wording of these certificates. The cases of the ten prisoners uho had been removed to Kilmainham on account of the breaking up of the hulks, had been re ferred to by the Noble Lord, but be cnuld state that with respect to Coglan, he (the Marquis of Normanby) had acceded to the recommendation of Judge John son. Although it subsequently turned out that a person supposed to be the same individual, had been previously convicted of a similar offence, Mr. Browne had repeatedly expressed his conviction that the man was innocent—and he (Lord N.) having the pleasure of being privately acquainted with Mr. Browne, he would assure the Noble Marquis that he was a per son above king influenced by notices of intimidation. —(Hear, hear.) Mr. Browne,in his office of Inspector of Gaols, gave the highest saQsfaction to all parties— Protestant as well as Catholic. It was evident that the Noble Marquis had made his charge without a know ledge of facts. The Duke of WELLINGTON said it had not been the custom of the House to question the, exercise of t r he prerogative of mercy. He should he sorry if it were to depart from that feeling. But in this case he thought the House had some little claim to be admitted into the secret of the reason why the Noble Marquis, after having decided that the law should take its course, should have altered his determination, although that determi nation was founded on the Report of Judge Johnson. As the Noble Lord was responsible, and not the Judge, the papers required ought to be produced to the House, unless doing so would be inconvenient to the public service. It should be remembered that this man had been sentenced to imprisonment and hard labour for a combination in a murderous assault, but yet the Noble Marquis liberated him. He (the Noble Duke) was op posed to the setting aside of Judges' sentences upon the strength of private applications, because that course was productive of the baneful effect of depriving the law of its cha-actor of certainly inflicting punishment. The Marquis of NORMANBY explained. If the Noble Duke had not immediately left on the conclusion of his speech, h e mi g ht have learned that Judge Johnson would hare recommended the culprit to mercy if he could have relied at the time upon the character he had received. • Lord CIIARLEVILLE said be was prepared to justify all his former expressions. He would not now enter into the case of Lord Bloomfield. John Coghlan was a most infamous character. In 1831 lie was committed to a jail for a ribbon offcnce : there being no evidence of a tangible nature he was discharged. Next year he was committed for rape. It appeared that this man used to lay in wait for the unfortunate girls returning with money from the barracks of Birr, and deprive them of their money and ill•use them besides. This was the infamous cha racter of the man whom the Noble Marquis had libe rated from prison. He knew all the particulars con nected with him. The Marquis of NORMANDY begged to aNk whether the Noble Earl knew that Coghlan bad but one eye. The Earl of CH ARLEVILLE—I never saw Coghlan.—( Laughter.) But I knew that he was dis charged on the strength of a certificate from an apo thecary in Tullamore, after the surgeon bad refused to sign one—be had been caught blinding himself with The Marquis of NORMANBY said there was us as yet not sufficient evidence on either side.—( Hear.) The Noble Lord had spoken without any information as to the facts. Eirl RODEN was anxious.to know whether the Noble Marquis had disch.trged the man upon the certi ficate of the apothecary of the town. The Marquis of NORMAN BY said be had received a report signed by the medical assistant of the gaol, but it was not that alone upon which he had acted. After some observations froth the Earl of CIIARLE VILLE, The Marquis of WESTMEATH withdrew his mo ion. The House then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, M4Rcrr 7. The SPEAKER took the Chair a few minutes before Four o'Clock. Mr. GREEN brought up the Report of the Standing Orders Committee, finding that in the case of the Perth Police, the Hurtishead Inclosure, the Tamworth-road, and the St. Leonard's-road Bills, the Standing Orders had been complied with. They reported that on the North Union Railway Bill and the River Moy Naviga tion Bill, the Standing Orders had not been complied with. LONDON AND SOUTHAMPTON RAILWAY BILL—(PORTSMOUTH BRANCH). Mr. S. LEFEVRE and other Members presented petitions in favour of this Bill and Mr. F. BARING against it. On the motion of Mr. S. LEFEVRE the Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed. GLOUCESTER RAILWAY. Mr. P. 'WILES brought in the Gloucester Railway Bill, which was read a first time, and ordered to be printed. LONDON AND SOUTHAMPTON RAILWAY. Mr. GLENNIE presented a petition from Bishop stoke, and other places in its vicinity, complaining of , the intention of the London and Southampton Railway Company to cross the high road on a level, and praying that so dangerous a course might be prevented by that House. GREAT CENTRAL IRISH RAILWAY. Mr. LUCAS presented a petition from the proprie tors of the Great Central Irish Railway, praying for an extension of time to bring in their Bill. C liN-L A WS. Petitions praying for the repeal of the Corn•laws, were presented by Mr. Wallace, signed by 3,854 inha bitants of Greenock, and one signed by the Provost of Hamilton, on behalf of 10,000 of those over whom he was called upon to preside ; by Mr. Grote, from Woodstock ; by Mr. Parrott, from a parish in North Devon ; by Mr. Sergeant Wilde. Petitions in favour of the present system were presented by Mr. Grant, from Inverness ; by Sir J. Y. Buller, from Kings bridge, in Devonshire ; by Mr. Barneby, from several pari'hes in the county of Worcester ; and by Mr. O'Connell, from the Chamber of Commerce in Dublin. In this case he could not agree with these respectable petitioners. Sir C. P ALRYMPLE presented a petition from Brighton, praying the House not to sanction any system of National Education unless it were based upon the articles of the Church of England. Mr. BROADLY presented a petition, signed by up wards of 2,000 bankers, merchants, tradesmen, and others, of Liverpool, prayinc , fora reduction of the datyon coffee the production of Hayti. As he intended to call the at tention of the House on a future occasion, be moved that the petition be printed with the votes. An HoN. MEMBEa presented a petition from the Dean and Chapter of Exeter against the Ecclesiastical Duties and Revenues Bill. . . Mr. BLAIR presented a petition from a parish in Wigtonshire praying for further endowments to the Church of Scotland. Sir JAMES GRAHAM presented a petition, with a similar prayer, from the Presbytery of Hamilton. Mr. O'CONNELL presented two petitions from parishes in Waterford, declaring that the petitioners were determined to perish rather than abide by the Union, unless justice was done to Ireland. Also, one signed by the Mayor of Dublin and many Noblemen, praying the House to afford the Government the means of givinc , Ireland the benefit of Railroads, as they could never be introduced into that country by private spe culation. On the motion of Mr. BAINES certain returns were ordered relative to the duties on woollen cloth. Mr. CHAPMAN presented petitions from Epping, Stamford, Croydon, and several other places against a repeal of the Corn-laws. Mr. W. WYNNE presented petitions from the Clergy of the diocese of Bangor and St. Asaph, praying that the surplus revenues arising from the suppression of one of those Sees, might be applied to the increase of the incomes of poor livings. The Right lion. Gentleman also presented a petition from Sir Chatles Buck, praying for an amendment in some of the clauses in the Copyright Biil. Sir G. CLERK presented a petition from Dundee, praying for an Extension of Church Accommodation in Scotland. Sir R. INGLIS, presented petitions from the Clergy of the Archdeaconry of Sarum, from the Dean, Chapter, and Clergy of Lincoln, and also from the Dean, Chap ter, and Clergy of Rochester, against the Ecclesiastical Duties and Revenues Bill. Mr. HUME presented a petition from a parish near Great Torrington, in the county of Devon, signed by eighty-two agricultural labourers, each of whom had p►►t down the number of children he had—(A laugh)—the total number of children being 300. The petitioners declared their opinion that the restrictions on the im portat ion of corn, operated as a heavy tax upon food : and, that therefore, a tax upon food always fidling unequally on different classes, and falling heaviest just on those who were least able to bear it ; that, therefore, the Corn laws were unjust and oppressive. BEER-LAW. The Hos.. ME3ise2 also presented a petition from Lancaster, priyiog that no alteration might take place in the 13 !,-!r-laws affecting, the interests of capital which had been invested on the faith of those laws. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL presented a peti tion from Edinburgh, for the total repeal of the Corn laws ; and a - petition from the Lord Provost and Ma gistrates of the same city, for a uniform postage at the rate of a penny-per letter ; also a petition from a place in the county of Gloucester, in favour of the Registra tion of Electors Bill. On the motion of Sir GEORGE CLERK, a re- EVENING EDITION. I turn was ordered of the number of licenses for the siile of beer, granted for the City of Edinburgh. CORN-LAWS. Mr. JERVIS presented a petition from Welchpool, in Montgomeryshire, most respectably signed, prayiog for a total repeal of the Corn-laws. HOUSEHOLD SUFFRAGE. Mr. HUME begged to postpone the motion of which lie had given notice, on the subject of Household Suf frage, from the 14th to the 21st instant. POOR-LAWS. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE postponed the motion of which he had given notice for the suspension of all re gulations for the relief of the poor out of workhouses till the 21st instant. RAILWAYS (IRELAND). Mr. F. FRENCH postponed the motion of which he had given notice for the extension of Railway Communi cation to all parts of Ireland, till the 21st inst. DUTY ON COFFEE. Mr. BROADLY gave notice that on Thursday, the 21st inst., he would call the attention of the Hous o to the Petition he had presented from Liverpool, that eft.:lnoon, for a reduction of the duty on Cafe° im ported from Hayti. CORN-LAWS. Mr. PRYME gave notice that, on the 25th, he would mote the resolutions, of which he had previously given notice, for a gradual reduction of the duty in foreign corn. DENIZATION OF FOREWNRRS. Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice that, on that day fortnight, he would move for copies of the several memo rials and petitions from Charles Bianconi, a native of Milau, and now of Clonmel, in the county of Tipperary, addressed to the Irish Government, praying for letters of derfzation, and the answers thereto. COAL METERS—DUBLIN. The Hon. and Learned MEMBER then gave notice that on the same day he should move for copies of all minutes and memoranda of the Treasury relatiao. to the coal meters of Dublin since the year 18 9 5. The Hon. and Learned Member then gave notice that on the same day.he should move for returns of the num ber of dayi the Recorder of Dublin had sat for the last live years ; the number of prisoners which had been tried, and the time each prisoner had been detained. Also, a return of the sums paid by the attornies of Ireland for the support. of the King's Inn. RAILWAYS (IRELAND). Mr. HARVEY gave notice that-to-morrow he should move an humble address to her Majesty, praying that her Majesty would be pleased to - direct that an alphabe tical list be made out of all the persons through whose propetty the Hoe of Railway proposed by the Irish Ra:l - Commissioners from Dublin to Cork was intended to pass, distinguishinr , the name of each person who was a member of either House of Parliament.—(Hear; hear, and great cheering from the opposition benches.) Colonel PERCEVAL, seeing the Noble Lord the Secretary for Ireland in his place, begged to ask of him when the Report of the Commissioners of Public Works for 1838 would be laid on the table of the House ? It ought to have been produced before. Lord MORPETH—The Report had been referred to the Treasury, and he understood - would be very soon produced. STATE OF IRELAND. Mr. SHAW. in rising to bring forward the motion of which he had given notice, for the production of pe pars with respect to the state of Ireland, said he e e l been forced to take his present course because there was no allusion whatever to the present state of Ireland in her Majesty's speech from the Throne.---(Hear, hear.) Urileis he was sure that it would throw an air of ridi cule over a matter which he thought should be dis cussed most gravely, he would have asked that that small paragraph, which alone related to Ireland, should have been read by the Clerk. It simply set forth that Corpora tions were essentially necessary for the interests of that country. Now he. would ask whether it was possible that any part of her Majesty's subjects—he would ask either side of the House whether they could be contented with a mere paragraph to that effect., at a time when in that unhappy country there was security neither for life, person, nor property—when the laws were set at open de fiance. Civilisation itself could scarcely be said to exist. in a portion of that country. He had framed the return for which he proposed to move with a view to present to the House and the country a true picture of the state of Ireland. The extent of crime and outrage which prevailed there—the causes that had produced the evils that had affected that country—and as inseparalJy connected with them, the conduct of the Irish Govern ment, particularly during the administration of the Marquis of Normanby. He thought he should b e I able to satisfy the House for the necessity of su c h returns ; as he would show that the returns with which Ithe House had already been furnished were incorrect, insufficient in extent, and in many respects delusory. First, with respect to the returns from the Clerk of the Crown and the Inspectors of Prisons—the returns from those two officers professed to be the same, but there was a remarkable discrepancy between them. They both professed to return the number of persons tried and convicted. Now what was the real fact ; lookin at the returns made in 1837, the Inspectors of prisons reported 14,804 criminals, while the Ci , rk of the Crown reported their number to ba 27,340, the difference was 12,924 ; and in 1836 there was a differ ence-30,000 returned by the Clerk of the Peace, and the Inspector of Prisons returned 23,241, a difference of upwards of 6,000. The returns, therefore, were so inaccurate that they could not be relied upon. but in .Ireland the number of offenders tried bore a s ere small proportion to the number of offences. Therefore he (Mr. Shaw) bad, in the first place, moved for Re turns of all the crimes committed in Ireland during the last four years. These were very imperfe c t R eturns , an d for a very small period of time, of outrages ; an d his objection to those returns was, that they merely gave the returns made to the Constabulary Office, which did not include many important places—Dublin, for instan for which there was an item of 2,800 prisoners —.and these' ret urns did not show the remarkably small proportion which offenders tried bore to offences committed. But he had a more serious objection to these returns—that they were in many respects delusive, and the Noble Lord (Mor peth) had been himself deceived, and had been the means of deceiving the House. In 1837 the Noble Lord moved for returns of outrages for five months from September 1837, the object upon the face of the :document being to show the diminution of crime in 1837, from what it was in 186, and the numbers given were in 1 387-739; and 1836-1,760. But the Inspector-General had af fixed a note to the return of July, 1836, stating that, by new arrangements, which had been adopted, there would be excluded from the returns in future many trifling cases, such as larcenies and common assaults. The amount of crime according to the returns in July, 1836, was 509, while, looking at the returns for the pre vious month, they amounted to 1,864, making a great ap parent diminution in crime ; no reason was given for this diminution, no explanation was offered of the returns. Lord MORPETH—What returns do you refer to ? Mr. SHAW—A return made on the 17th Ae, 18:37. Again, looking at aoother return that Gras l with the e e u't, a great capw. m i eur,: a mptnr d : tbel r en , oe r, fn of cot explanationt olfhdBmeli3mBpJa3i diminution. trnaiodn o ntda f h; ogaeargai l ciiva B torii it 3 teimhel S tiee.: n—te rr ir pirb t aes t et s ptirilwel cor:ofsw(sm:lflit without ej l eo r sss ; rm, ith the Da ;me a )parent diminution of crime ; in fact, not one of the pa Hers but contained the same defect—not one of them c one word in explanation, according to the note of Colonel Shaw Kennedy—not one of them stated that June , 1836, was the last month of the o ld system .—(H ear , hear.) If tue Noble Lord would allow him to take the returns in the same manner as they were made up for 1835, he Would prove to the House that there bad not been the slightest diminution of crime in Ireland. He would take the returns for eighteen months, and compare the averages they gave. The result of the first six months of 1836 was an average of 843 offences ; the second period, the first six months of 1837, gave an average of 904 ; the third period, which was only the last five months of 1837, the average had risen to 1,980.--(Hear, hear, hear.) Again, the returns of the rewards offered by the Lord Lieutenant for murder and aggravated offences was 519, and it vas a remarkable fact that out of the whole only the odd 19 had been claimed.—(Cheers.) The sum offered was 24,8341, while sums claimed as rewards amounted to only 1,0001. With respect to 1838 there was no complete returns, and of course for that . year he could only speak from g eneral information, an d such information as he had been able to col. , eet, but certainly that inform ation was sufficient to satisfy his own mind, and if the house would allow him to trespass for a short period o n their attention, he would also be able to convince them. lie would show at all even ts that there had been no d im inution of Frimeeithe r as against the person or property. He had informatio n of not less than 114 murder:, w ith the description an d particulars of each , committed in Ireland in 1838, and if be was to conjecture he should say that he had not re ceived an account of half that had taken place.__ ( Hear, hear.) In Tipperary he had been able to collect from scattered information that in the North Riding alone of that county (about half the county) i n 1838 there were no less than 265 aggravated outrages. In four months in both Ridings there were committed 161 aggravated outrages, besides that, there were n less than 20 murders occurred in Tipperary within the la 4 six months, and 27 attempts to commit mu r d er i n the same period. From the special commission it ap peared there were 13 murders and 3 premedit a t e d at tempts at murder. In the first nine months of 1838 there were no less than 178 persons committ e d t o pri son charged with homicide in that county, and in West. ine Ath from 28th Novembe r last to '2d February, ther, were no less than 5 murders and attempts to murder, The Tho Hon. and Le a rned Gentleman th en proceeded 't o road several letters he had received from Magistrates showing the state of crime in that county. i n ' ford (as we uiderstood), the committals in 1830 -.negrn -434 ; in 1839 they were 1,136. In 1834 only one murder or manslaughter in that county 1839, at the Spring Assizes, there abuset h e Lord ~e r ci werethat the other offences in proportion. 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