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tot aware - tha t he had, since his promotion, been a te-elected as Member of that House. He con ceived, that the acceptance of an office of 5,0001. a year was, under the .Act of Parliament, a just ground for vacating a seat in Parliament. He and. others 'were ignorant of -the, real state of the case, atld he wished for information on the Subject. Mr. B. BATimas.T. thanked the, Bon...Member for a catioOn,..whici,i, if the case were as he.stat - -. ed, would . save him 500/.,.. But,, before. the Hon. Member had made the obs erva ti on , h e oug ht t o have. made himself master of the .fact. It was said that he_had accepted an, office of 5,0001. a 'year ; but the ACt alluded to said nothing.of per sons tilling offices without salary. Commissioners of the Board of Contrel were appointed without salary, and the King afterwards granted a..certain s alary. The Act alluded to did not compel per . t heir to'offices without salary to i7acate. inoit• seats, and he Was_preCisely in that predica for, 'holding the office of Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, at ,present, he received .no salary as President of the. Board of Control— (Laughing.) Mr. 'TIERNEY said,_ . that there was a salary of 4 ,5001.. a-year attached, to the office of Commis `sioriet of the Board of Control—that salary was 'afterwards increased. The question was, whe ther the Right Hon.- Member acted as a Super litimerary Commissioner, or as President of the Roard of COntrof? If he acted as President of the 13 6ard of Control, as appeared by the Gazette, 'them it would be for him to:say whether that was a place of profit and emolument, according .to'the meaning of the Act. Mr. 13, BATHURST .repeated, that the appoint 'Merit of the President of the Board of Control was in the Crown but that he, holding another appointment, received no salary in this his - TIERNF.Y said, they had to congratulate the country on having the office of President of The Board of Control filled by the Chancellor . of ,lhe Duchy of Lancaster without any salary—(A angl i !) Lord MiliroN observed, that Sir J. Pulteney had filled the office of Secretary at War without : a htrY ; but the' question was, whether such of ••"9e obliged . a Member to vacate his seat ? The question was not whether a man actually receiv ''d profit, but whether he accepted a place from 'which he had a right to receive it ? Mr. GREEVEY remarked, that it mattered not 'Whether a Member accepting office declined receiv ,ll„g anY salary, or_ thought proper to give it away. Government question was, was it an *office of profit under ‘ -re veriirrient ? So, the Member of course Tri- F r ated hi s seat. He was of opinion, that the Right- 4{° n• Member (Mr. 13. Bathurst) had vacated his accepting by acceptin the office of President of the Board • ard of (Aoritrol. LL IVi r• B. I.3lkTiLunsT . referred to the Act in ques ti" which, h e con t en ded, did no t i nc l u d e Mem bers holding office's without salary. The Right Zion. Member then proceeded to argue upon the l'. 4 l es tion before the House, but, from the noise it ch prev a il e d,' we were una bl e t o ' ca t c h hi s ob ,telrvations distinctly.—His Noble Friend (Cas rtZe„agh) had - •no objection to the principle of the i ti - ,'° l l, but he conceived some.. delay necessary, tic r t4r to procure the documents called for. •1 1 ,,,i "core not to ha—picked_ up in the streets,. f ro - nr , l4 the shop of a bookseller, bia must be had gm — t he most authentic sources. Upon these p o ,. u ns, he agreed with his Noble Friend in op °gss the motion. 41 , 11 'J• MACKINTOSiI . did not rise to diSCUSS the li e - y e . st `") Whether the Right Honourable Mem tee- ought or ought not to vacate his seat on hiS ck elit aPpointrfient; If the law stood as he p th r • Bathurst) said, he . was of Course safe, if to il e o r ise,' he sat there at his 'own risk. He .th lt u• not agr ee w ith th e Noble Lord opposite, l`ri the motion of his Honourable and Learned 44 1 . (Air. We'therell) could cause a postpone hitef the motion' fixed for • Friday. It . cer -1)44 would cause such a postponement if the Ivere°l-Is question were. carried, or if the question I a 'tte'r l'essed to a division. The Noble Lord's 4r ato eagh s) stat e m en t s were o f a mos t singu liq Ai t . e xtraordinary nature: It was said that a,, • aJesty's name had been excluded from the }-rte b h le te Y an Order of Council of Feb. 12, 1820. l ! s 'as- no referonce 'to precedents ; and fur ;Nth`si3 Majesty's Ministers had 'suffered eleVen It 4,,!•• 4 ' ct to elapse without directing the proper 11 . 11 10,. 3 to be made out from the precedents upon t,i'l'erf.eY,lacted.. And to this moment they t : l l.t a : 4 dY to rest their vindicati o n u p o n docu 4484h;e,cessible to thq most vulgar m i n ds i n th e a 4s • if his Majesty's Ministers wer e no t i n lee r 'd ' -of the proper documents, then they °a l 1 4 j.gally and unconstitutionally, in erasing ip k - I '.l l4lla tY's nam e f r om the Litu rg y ;• if; on th e `tni td, they were in possession of them where of an hour's delay ? He was bound 14. 1)1,:1 t ‘, e ither-that they had acted in total ig t44l- in k the usage of centuries, or else they ,e ( ) o pts S ituation_ to -produce at once the v ed for by his Honourable and Learn • le s • ,?hse IC ITOR-GENERAL begged to offer a l i t ',4t 4 _ t ions upon this question. It was -urg -111,,,,`'1tu,„ excluding- her Majesty's 'name from N i rt dg: ' Ministers, if not possessed of the 44 (1 4 ' e nts, must have.been ignorant of the' eu • ktlo t '"ar i - 1) which they acted. But Ms lion. ' l' 4 .i.: l 4 l th a 'e j l th i ?riend was wrong. He must have • e nam e o f h er . M a j es ty cou ld no t O rt i‘"lued from the Liturgy without an wha'd er in Council to that effect. 1 he (11 u st of fiti: 4 4th or . Course have read the documents uo u l d Ised them 'to make such an• order. t he ll tg r ,„"te for the previous question, as suf sti Pr(! s ' ti c' had not been made out, either for ajea ent . • • ecessity of the motion, or for the ~k'‘,3os•was attempted to be cast upon his ), • - Aonisters. 4• s t,,,ehd (t e / ARL - ETT .observed, that his Learned d • S °l . • C with tcitor- xeneral.) although he con asuh"., ,the _Noble Lord (Castlereagh) in a s motion of his Learned Friend (Mr. ft rs t() ) differed widely from th e N o bl e L or d o ra tair e undS' of that opposition. The Noble vse f delay and of difficulty in select alifl"ry docurnents which were re ilk ' )et • . _dearned Friend the -?nliCitPr? . . Oeneral.tontended,that it *Ai hot to be prestnn. ed .that -his Majesty'S Ministers cane to their de- cision on that Albject without the fullest-investi gation of all-those documents on which the• Order in Council-was formed: .Ile should leave it td the Noble .Lord .(Castlereagh). . and • his -Learned Friend the Solicitor-General to reconcile the in consistency amongst! themselves. the Noble Lord's own reasoning, he •(Mr. S.) :was of opi nion that the Noble Lord took the-wrong course. ' It would be much more consistent . in him to ac-. cede to the.mation, rather than .meet it with. the previous question. If a delay should take place in preparing the documents, that was, no reason') for their not being presented at. all.. Should the. delay exceed a reasonable time, it would be for his Noble Friend (Lord. A. Hamilton) to consi der whether he should proceed with his intended motion, without waiting ‘for'their production.— It appeared to him,- -that these documents ware necessary to consider whether the exclusion of her Majesty's name from the Liturgy was r he would not say :legally, but constitutionally, and with propriety effected. That was to , be dis cussed wholly independent of the dry question of law. The ground of delay was not a sufficient reason for his Learned Friend (Mr. Wetherell) to withdraw his motion. For his own part, be believed the whole of 'these documents could be prepared in the course of one .morning. Mr. Serjeant ONSLOW, although he thought it . would have been better not to' have introduced the motion at the 'present moment, still contend ed that the House possessed and ofteu exercised the right of discussing very important questions, independent of questions of privilege, previously to taking the Speech-from the Throne into consi deration. He adverted to the case 'respecting Lord Melville, and the motion of Mr. Sheridan for the repeal of the' Suspension_of the. Habeas Corpus Act. -As the. present motion had been' brought forward, and as it' had now - been dis cussed nearly an hour and ten ininnteS,fie . thought it should be acceded . to. The information-sought for, from the production of theSe documents, was most necessary. It referred to a subject,. on which every man must admit the country was at this moment fatally convulsed.--(Hear, hear !) He wished the House to consider how the-refusal of any motion for information would, under such circumstances, - be received out of doors. To supply the necessary information, he should then vote for the motion of his Learned Friend ; but he pledged himself no further, determined as he was, so help him God, to discuSs the question to which it referred, as a great legal question, wholly divested of all politicarbias. .The CHANcELr:ou of the. Excnrourn. fully concurred in the observation of the -Learned. Ser jeant who last addressed the llouse—an obserVa tion on which every Member, he trusted, would feel it his duty to act, namely, „that the question to which the present motion referred, should. be discussed as one of constitutional law, without reference to party or partiality. But, though he agreed most -fully with him in that feeling, he. still must consider the present a most improper time for such a motion, calculatedas it was to anticipate the discuSsion of that grave considera tion. An allusion had been made by the Learn ed Serjeant to cases in which discussions on ques tions, independent of privilege, preceded the „consideration of a Speech from the Thrmw. It was true that such cases did oc - etir ; but every Member would recollect with 'what disapproba tion these very extraordinary motions were re ceived by the House. The 'louse then divided on the previous ques tion-- Ayes 260 Ives `- 169 , Majority — 91 On our re-admission into the Gallery, we found Mr. WETHERELL on his legs, giving notice of his intention to renew his motion on to-morrow, for the production of the documents, which . were comprehended in his former motion. lie was proceeding to state that no printed Liturgies of the Church could be published without the Royal sanction. The SPEAKER, interposed, and said he had no doubt the Learned Gentleman would pardon the interruption when he stated to him, that if the observations be was about to make referred to the notice which he had given for to-morrow, he would himself perceive that he was anticipating the discussion of the reasons which induced him to make such a motion. Mr. WETHERELL, in deference to the sugges tions of the Chair, limited hiniself to the .mere giving of the notice for to-morrow. The Clandestine Outlawry Bill was then read a first time pro ,forma. THE KING'S . SVEECH: The SPEAKER then acquainted the House that be had been to the House of Peers, pursuant to the requisition which had been made at their Bar for that purpose, where he had heard his Majes-, ty's most gracious Speech froth the `f prone ; an 4 in order that he might be the better enabled to convey the contents of the same to them, he had procured a copy, which he would read. The Royal Speech was then read, for which see Lords. Mr. BAlmrs, jun. on rising to propose.an Ad dress to his Majesty, spoke to the following ef fect:— Mr. SPEAKER—Sir, in proposing an Address to his Majesty of acknowledgment for his ffracioui r Speech,whichwe heard some hours since,and which you have at lasthad an opportunity of reading, to us, [ shall not trouble you with any expressions of conscious insufficiency, because I am aware they are a very poor excuse for the presumption of a voluntary undertaking,,and because I do-riot ap prehend any thing very difficult in the 'return of suitable acknowledgment for- gracious intima tions and assurances every way calculated to in spire• a dutiful arid,affectionate feeling. As one of his INlajesty's many, many loyal subjects, • I propose, Sir, that- we approach 'his Throne, to assure him of the fidelity of a nation which is sound at heart—a nation not so intoxicated by the splendour: of unparalleled triumphs, ior so lulled to apathy by the security of a profound peace, as to visit with ingratitude the promoter of those triumphs, and' the procurer of this honour able repose, In a nation in which all are free, Daly mast havelief-lreedorn, ail iniSaliaf - *ill mark her -tool-; folly will diiChatge' her debts Of 'gratitiide - by' delqing their amount----by forgettind - the'datiger froM which she hail been delivered 7 --4hOugh 'ever, •iihen in peril her Self, the loudest - to-' complain and the foreMoSt to despair. The' Spirit of Misc - hief can have no ac count of gratitude to settle' With the peace-maker ; it is a spirit obucodous to repose: in'warand tuniulf it can 'be content to hope all evil to the good . order Which it hates, but in peace it must ; enlist seland 'contrive it ; it is then it is Seen walking restless througifthe dry places of the land, insti gating the owner of each 'poor and barren plot not to - cultivate and improve, but to curse the little portion : he is heir to. - 'lt is even this same spirit that.could heretofore, - with - mischievous ex aggeration, deck Out- the- avokved implacable enemy of its country, with irresistible 'might,' infallible sagacity, and• inexhaustible re-' source, and with prophetiC feryotir could foretel !the -stability of all that he should set up, an& the ruin of all he should den - Ounce ; the same spirit thatcould boldly excuseand justify all his crimes, or more boldly could deny them. ' When baf fled in its ''every hope, belied by every pro phecy; this bankrupt firm ,of impudent inven tion has still new fictions ready for new credu lity, nevi- idols for folly's worshiN'and Honourable, 'attributes for every new disturber of pUblic quiet. If it be true that each'seVeral nation has a peculiar national character belonging to its inhabitants, the King, who finds himself at the head of a frank, a gallant, and a ge nerous people, can wish tO . 'exchange the subjects of his Government for, no others on the face of the earth ;' their valour is renowned abroad ; in their honourable allegiance he is se cure at home; but' there are circifinstances that Will invariably work a change in every national character, and, perhaps the strongest change in the most getierous . and.the best ; such are the circum stances of great national success in war. This will infuse a chivalrous valour, a 'zeal for enter prize, a restless desire of still, finding something to oppose, and something to defend : a chivalry that will delight in the 'mimic circumstances of. war---- . -the polished armour and , the nodding, plume; a chivalry that will combat iscaginary oppressors, that.will liberate convicted culprits, and commission them to carry their chains and their innocence to inspiring genius of his fro mantic history. Such drawbacks to national Success, is the wild enthusiasm they inspire : it may be Well for a PrinCe On his own per sonal account to estimate before he volun tarily engages Jul war : id defensive warfare, however, he can have no option, and where upon,first assuming the reins of government he finds the Kingdoms of his 'way already engaged up to the Very crisis of a contest. No alternative remaining 'but between perseverance in much peril, or submission in lowest degradation. 'He has then only to elect whether he will chase to reign over a broken-hearted people, who will never infringe his prerogatives, nor question his rights, nor obstruct his functions, nor presume, to insult his person : or whether, dismiSSing all selfish considerations, at the risk of the throne he sits on, miappalled by the' fate of his neighbour Kings, then captives or in exile ; unintimidat ed by those at hoMe whose patriotic prudence would suggest more cautiolPs coun4l.;,,mhether he will, 'disdaining . all compromise of nation al dignity, rouse the ardour of his emPire, , and are to rely upon it. , If he shall have ,purssed this wise course, if, in doing so, he , shall have saved for his kingdoms every thing and their honour, it is no small . draw back that shall cancel the gratification:of his bosom ; and couldhe, at a moment when popular ardour is misled, regret the deliverance he has worked, and the laurels he has planted, he might, perhaps, deserve that those whose deliverance he .has worked, should Withhold from him their grati tude and affeCtion: . The partial abuser of benefits conferred, will not check the further efforts of beneficent minds ; if they did so, all national im provement' must stand Still; the illiterate must *remain without instruction, because those who had hitherto abuSed their ignorance, are now poisoning the new springs of their knowledge. tinhappilY this wickedness has not spared us. It is Sir, the unkindest act of all, that benevolent Christian good will towards . man, which had spared neither toil nor cost by education to en lighten, and by enlightening . to improve, is doom ed to suffer, like the Wounded bird of the poet, who " Saw his own l'ather on the fatal duet, And witnced the shalt, which quiver'd in hi! heart; Keen was the pang, but kerne' Mill to feel, Ile nursed the pinion, which impell'd the stee•l." As one who can share a pride in the intellectual improvement of his fellow-subjects, who can ad- Mire the zeal whiCh excites, and the liberality which.promotes it, who can appreciate the labOri ous research which renovates pious endowments, long since sleeping with their founders ;—as otle who can pay the humble tribute of his praise for all that has been done and is doing.in this cause, I cannot but deeply share their mortification who deplore the base 'perversion of such noble pur poses ;: it is no new thing indeed for slander to arraign all that, is high and holy, but the tongue of slander, however venomous, can inflict no wound, can effect no puncture in the character that is sound and whole ; it is the pen of the. libeller, against which innocence is no shield, and at a timr when the cast eye of.discontent not only envies its neighbour's goods, but covets its neighbour's cha racter; we have, Sir, to dread and to repelone ge neral levelling system,bOth of property and of good name. The barrier 'of the Constitution will not fall down at the first giddy shout of the multi tude ; the high tribunals which are its bulwarks will ,yet stand, though treason defy their anthe r rity,. and Conscious guilt their justice ;—blas— phemy may rail at the holy place, and hypocrisy defile it with her pageants, long, long before the dome will totter ; but the ruin'must come at. last, if the remedy be not fitly interposed. When the league of what is base and false—profligate and malicious, shall unite honour and integrity to oppose it, the evil then works its own cure, and the' remedy is near at hand :—we know its efli have proved it scarce a twelvemonth since. In the shows and processions of the year which has just expired, who but must have called tb mincl the like 'eXllo)itionS . of ttie tvretemonth • which . preceiled it ? 'The mitslC s .the March, and the bannerHtlie meeting, the fesoltitithii and the address, those first Were ,prototypes of these last arrays, the same in their real origin and . in their refit dbjeet; differing' only in their method of ptirA suing it. The liut PUrSned itS 'object. - by -de •notinCing • the 1-:;4ocracy ; the ~ ! econd by de ' nbanciug the CrOwn. The Aristocracy was then true to itSeif ; tiie Representatives of. the people We' re' then - faithful, and, if, the highest ditties of fidelity be now as well fulfilled, the country is yet safe. If we turn' our eyes from the cares Of doMeStic 54:licitude, and look abroad, the whole World is to us a scene of cairn tranquillity ; our flag this on every sea ; our busy industry . plies in every port ; our character every where high, and - mir credit every Where firm. If this honour,— ' if this power,—if this peace, have been worth the winning, - we" might, Sir; 'think them worth enjoying ; but there is a consistency - in the per , verseness of those, who refuse to enjoy the frttits of measures, which they have loudly ttnd indis criminately condemned. , Ij the ill humour, which has for twenty long years and more, so ac tively despaired 'of the public weal,. would at last confine the limit of its despondency to its own particular views, and its own ends, content might then rest at home, and,in its easy seat enjoy the fire side it has defended ; but when the shout of clamour is heard from without, that well known cry," Which has so loudly informed our enemies of the exhaustion of our' resources, and the fu, tility of our resistance ; that same cry, Which so ttr , ?ntly demanded a reform, since confessed, by' its chief ad'vOcates, to be impracticable or inexpedient ; that same cry, which so formidably opposed any protection to our agricultural' inte rests, ;utider which protection alone, daily labour is now eating its daily bread ; as often as this cry of ill'omen is raised and is reiterated, acti vity mast become a duty, and the supineness of 'loyalty: is ,a cowardice at least. It is said that there are some, and there are. some who have aid it' of themselves, that, on looking back to the popular demands, which they have sanc 'Honed with their names, and. - supported with their abilities, they are now convinced that yo• : lthful ardour had led them to overstep .the line of expediency and prudence ; it might be well if those whose - Second and better thoughts' led them to this conclusion, would apply their' Matured Judgment to the' future as well as of the past, and would view in prosPect the expediency of those measures to which they may now be lending the weight of their names, and of their stations and their characters. It might- be well if they would remember that the strong af fection is received into ready ears, which are shut aigainst , the subsequent explanation, and that there 'are some evils easily inflict ed; for which, retraelithi is , no redress. The breach of that cordial confidence, which ought to stibsist,,and which has subsisted between the se veral orders of society living under this happy Constitution, must be an evil beyond redress; this confidence was our .strength in battle, our union in effort, our hope, and our protection ;' he who dissOlve4 it breaks our talisman, the only witch craft we have used to make of a little island a great nation. Sir, as a 'great nation,' taking a chief place among the chiefest powers of the' earth * we have new , fnnctions . to attend to, and a new degree. of vigilance to exercise. The great ness we ha-,;e hardly earned, we never shall willingly tiescend• from ; we shall bequeath it to yosterity as we won it ; it is a greatness which is no empty name : this greatness is the vigour. of -our Commtierce, and the credit of our mer-- cantile good faith -; we have noeovetous,Cravingi to satisfy, 'either of riches or of territory ; the treasury of Europe was at our feet when our bayonets Mounted guard at Paris ; we parted the spoil aniongst the rightful claimants, keeping for ourselves'nothing but the satisfaction of having; done 'so: From a nation which has so acted, no well-Constituted Government will fear awes, sion, nor will provoke it ; and. we have the satisfaCtion of knowing, that his Majesty receives , ' from Foreign Powers the assurance of- a con tinuance of' their friendly disposition., Whilst we lament that unfortunate circumstances af fecting the Commercial credit of Ireland have irn. peded the receipts of the public revenue in,that part'of the United Kingdom, we turn with ,pe culiar plea Sur e. to, the consolatory, balance of new encouragement to our Manufactures in the considerable improvement of our Trade. Sir, in adverting to the proposed provisions for the Queen, I imagine it will be sufficient that, on the present occasion, wo express our humble acquieseenee in his Majesty's recommendation; and without presuming, to , suggest, what line of conduct' may best become others, I am satisfied it will best become me to avoid the ut terance of a ; Single word which, might . , provoke premature ~discussion, and unnecessarily disturb the 'unanimity of our this night's vote. It. is in the secure hope and expectation of an unani- Mons concurrence, that I propose an Address Consistent with the sentiments - haye de clared, and with' the feelings I entertain of loyalty to the Throne, and of order and love for our Constitution as it stands and as it has so long stood. Mr. BROWNE rose to second the Address, but spolc.: in' so IOW a tone of voice as not to be au dible for some `minutes in the gallery._ lie thought many .persons had been misled by false. representations.i the consequence of which, if not checki.d, - would be the destriktion of all that. was valuable in the country.- He thought any man. who would not pledge himself to do all in his power to restore tranquillity, would be forgetful of his duty to his Sovereign and the country.' One topic had been alluded to, an interesting topic,' on which the attention of the. nation .had been deeply engaged ' He hoped that the House' . would not .nois , 'be led out of its course - by again recurring to' the subject to .which he alluded. It was worthwhile to consider what had been the conduct of Ireland in that respect.,. What course had been pursued in that country? No one, not even the lowest,:the'mtist furious demagogue had ever strained his voice to advocate the same license with respect •to female manners, which society endured in men. It was only necessary to recur to the history of the French Revolution, to prove that national debauchery and national ruin We'd band, in hand. He could not help exiresiing a hopes that those to whdrn the interests off'th whose e na tion were entrusted, and tipon measures the happiness of the nation depended, wotild pursde a cot tn worthy of their own characters, and worthy of that. reputation Which their former Measures had secured to them. If, in spite of alt their endeavours to the, contrary, the spirit of mischief should •ultimately - prevail, Ministers viodid at least have the - Consolation of reflecting that ; they had failed' in defenee of institutions which had for so great a length of time been the safety of otir . oviti, and the adiniration of sun: rounding nations: • • • , : The .AddresS was then read .by the SPEAKEIt from the Chair. On tht question being put, Mr;Coftwtx said .he should, hi .the few ob. seryations he had to, make, follow the Speech through the different subjects on which it,treated ; and, : except upon one topic not adverted to in it, he'slfould.scarccly say any thing. This was not the first occasion of this. kind in. which' he had deeply to lament how little knowledge. the Mi nisters of the Crown seemed to. possess of the real state, of the cotintry, or how falsely they had re-.. presented it to his l‘elajesty. As he . 110 befor said, there was little in the Speech itself Nc'hlcli called for. his animadversion, hu t.as4as freq cent. ly the case in similar circumstances, there was more reason to complain of its omissions, than of aught it contained. Amongst these omissions, the prin cipal, in his opinion, was, that of the state of our agricultural interests. Could • the Noble Lord be i.noraut that the Agriculturists were scarcely able to exist ? Did he not know that their situation was such, that they did not know where to look•for bread to eat ? _And, in- stead of branding this class of the nation ivith want of loyalty and.attachment to. the Throne, they ought rather to admire. them for their pa. tience under au, accumulation of suffering. To talk of treason was a calumny on the country, vented by certain. Gentlemen who wanted to arrogate to themselves the whole monopoly. of loyalty., And these. Gentlemen might say what they would ; but he maintained that the coun try was in that state, of real distress, that no. wise, Government would wish it to remain and which they, ought not to depart' from the House that night without• providing some remedy for. Session after Session had passed' without any remedy being • provided. Ile was happy to observe what he hopeA he was not mistaken in regarding as 4 spirit •of conciliation• on the part of those • Ministers who had been the cause of that ferment in the country which they all regretted. however much he aught de sire to see the present Ministers removed from their situations, he would never oppose any mea sure they might bring forward tending to conci liate the :Nation.. At the same time he must warn them some step of that nature was neces sary ; for he believed the pages of history did not present .any parallel to that" universaVcon curreuce-of opinion as to the inability'of the Ministers, to govern this nation. It was im possiblethe: country could go on pa , ying the pre sent taxes. ,Thep could not be screwed Out of the pockets of the people. No man could look at the state of the labouring classes without shud dering. The Poor Rates amounted to what 25 years ago equalled the landed rental, orthe coun try. .The only way to meet the danger was to • look it full in ihe face, and apply such remedies for the evil as their nature. required. He was convinced every man , would bear the- burdens of the Country with more patience, if he saw a dis position on the part of Ministers to relieve them. Mr. TtEaNr.v said, that, in rising tO sa,y any thing in opposition to this question, on the "first dap; of the. Session, he did not feel that lie' was under any necessity to go the length of troubling the House with nn amendment to the Address, which had been moved to his Majesty. Ile knew from experience, that ah amendment, under such. circumstances, was always attended with much inconvenience ; and he always endeavoured, when nothing was introduced into the Speech, or the Address, of a. very provoking nature to Jet it pass without discussion. -There was also another reason which made -it al - ways des'rAble to avoid entering into- discussion,' and that "was the chili ,culty under which Gentlemen on .that side of the House laboured in hearing the SpeeCh ,for the first time, on the day on which they were call ed upon to give their opinions. Although he did.not mean to trouble the House with an amend ment, he felt that he should forget his dtiti, if he suffered the subject to pass without a few observa tions. Taking the Speech as a whole, Ire did riot think that it tended to provoke discussion. He. (Mr. Tierney) received with' great satisfaction his. Majesty's assurance that. Foreign Powers continued .to entertain friendly dispositions to wards this country ; and notwithstanding, the state of Italy,, adverted to in the Speech, he, was so firmly persuadenhat the stability "mid security of the- country ; depended neon the contitMance of peace, that' he should look forward to that pe riod which should again plunge this country isto war with 'great dismay. • With this feeling, he could not feel so much satisfactiaintt the next sen tence in the Speech, which - informed them that his. Majesty observed with great concern the oc-' currences which - had lately taken place in Italy, but only expressed a hope that- they: Would'not lead. to any inierruptimi- of tranquillity: This, he was aware, was not a _time to. enter•into the discussion of that question ; but ,he must say, that Ministers, in his opinion, would not cio their duty, if they stood by 'and did' not interfere' in any act of-aggression which-a great Power might attempt against a smaller one.. He hoped .Miniaterts would exert their utmost to make known touther powers their sentiments on thiS sub*t.:, flofore he took leave of this topic, 6"could nor help . e . x. : - . pressing. his surpriie that the - Govertiment of this': country should think it itieCeuarY to :send •Art: ti ulster to a meeting - of - SoVerei, , ,ns Wh'o took_up.o4 ; themselves -to summon 'other' Sovci.ii. , ,us to . conferences: When theSe events, however, sh.o . lAA assume>a moreJrattliet'Mtaiie;•he wOuld take ot)-' casion to express himself more fully with respect to them. ilis Majesty's acknowledgment 'for the manner,in which they..had provided for his Civil List last year, he received as he always did, with due reverence but he did think that these '~c