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. ce,ich was from the town of WorhingtOtt, and the other from some Parish in Comberland.Ordered to he printed. Mr. CARTWRIGHT presented twelve Petitions to the same effect, fruits Au:copiers of land in the County of 'North arapton.-Ordered to lie on the Table. Sic it. FERGUSON presented a Petition from the Ship Owners of Kirlialdy, in Scotland, relative - to the Duties oil C , als.—Ordered to lie on.t he Table. Mr. FF.LLOWES presented a Petition from 500 Occupiers of Land in Huntingdonshire, praying that the State of Agri cultore might he taken into effectual consideratiou..—Ordered to lie on tile Table. Mr. LAWLEY presented a Petition °fa similar nature from certain IVholegate and Retail Dealers of Southam, in War ickshire. Ordered to lie on the Table. S. woRTLEY presented a Petition from the inhahi tants of Saddleworth,.in Yorkshire -A praying a Repeal of the Duty 6 11 IVout., The 'Honourable Member Stud; occasion to,uhst:t re, that his owls opinion was its favour of he prayo- of the Petition, as he linew that the tax, although at first propased on the aliedged cruund of confrriing a henetit t lie agricultural inter.. st s, hod completely foiled of its effect. Sir'C. BURRELL. in :Clew writs, suppol tell the Petition, nue here testimony to the trot ti ofttie Honourable. Gerdlernau% assertion,-as to the tax having failed of its 4 elect, with respec C.' the interests of the noire grower, the importation having become greater than ever since its enactment.—The Petition sva, ordered to lie un the Tablr. BOROUGH OF GIIAMPOUND. • Mr. S. Wor.TLEy rose to move the Order of the Day for receiving the Report of the Commit tee on the Bill for Disfranchising G rampound and -trans erring the Elective Franchise to Leeds.- - Ile said that although the Noble Lord who in troduced the: Lill had declined to proceed with-it oa account of; the qualifying clause which he (Mr. NV.) proposed having been carried, yet he felt himself bound to go on with it. • lle, however, w'.slied to make ~ s ome'alteration in that clause, and for that purpose thought it would be the better way - for the House to alloW the Bill to be recommitted and printed, to give Members an op portunity of thoroughly considering its provisions. The alteration which he proposed to make was, that instead of the Elector being required to rent a house at the actual yearly value of 201. it should he provided, that the elector should be a householder payit g scot and lot, and renting a . tenement, whether of 51. or 101. or 151. which with land occupied by him might amount to the y - early value of 201., and only where he had no ;and Mould it.lse necessary for the yearly value of the house alone to amount to that sum. The .Honourable Member concluded by. moving that the Order of the Day be read, and the Bill re committed-and ordered to be printed. . • Mr. A futlicßomatE was of opinion that the Bill ought to be printed before the re-committal, espe cially the new clauses. Mr. S. WORTLF,Y observed, that it would be -better to go EPA into the Committee, and have the whole printed. . An }lon. MEmBEP. stated,' that he was one of those who had voted for the amendment, which raised the qualification from 10 to 201. because he thought that such a qualification would establish a mode of election, which, without being-iircon veniently extended, would be sufficiently popu lar; but as it was proposed to re-commit the Bill, h.e thought it would be right to take advantage of .the intervening time, and procure an actual rate of the value of houses in Leeds, that - it. might be seen accurately how matters stood. • Mr. LOcKIiART thought more time ought to be given for consideration, before the House were hurried into a Committee. Mr. S. NlToturt.Er stated, that there were 1,690 houses in Leeds, which were rated at 201. a-year. Mr. HOBISOUSE said he was not present when this subject was debated on a former night, or he would have felt himself bound to support the Npble Lord who brought in the Bill, who, it was known, had sincere- views with respect to Re form, as far as they extetr::_d, but his feelings towards it were somewhat different when he saw it in the }rands - of those who were notorious for not entertaining any such views. However, he did not mean to oppose the Rill even under the present circumstances, though, from the begin uirt-r„ he did not think it Would answer the end proposed, mu;:h less satisfy the- wishes of the country. But he thought it useful and necessary, t:iat even those who, though intending togamuchl (Treater lengths in the doctrine of Reform than the Noble Lord, should come forward and spew that they were willing to accept of any thing, however little, when they could not get all that they desired. That little which the Bill offered to the people in - its original shape, was however made still less in the hands of the lion. Member for Yorkshire, but the Bill had not lost all its distinctive character, it still bore marks of its origin, and perhaps it was better that it should come from t h e IfOb. Gentleman Ahab the Noble Lord. TI principle was not altered, it was only I:apt.d so as to bo rendered more attractive in the eyes of the Gentlemen_ opposite. It was de:. serving of being considered— 1 . - NI at ry witch ri, hia pt. lcl) riot "-- laugh !) lifiViug said thus much as to the Bin, he could not omit that opportunity of making some obser- rations on what had been said on a - former night, .wben he was absent, relative to -the character and conduct of electors paying scot and lot, but par-. ticnlarly the electors of Westminster. The at- tack might have more weight had it come from . - a. lcss suspicious source, but he less regretzed has own absence, because, had he been preient, lie might hive been led _by the irritation of the moment to ilqvf! treated an insitraation made at that ti with the Sovereign Contempt which it deserved, and lie might have beet) also induced, much as- he respecters the Honouri!ble Member for Taunton (Mr. Baring), not to have paid him al! that deference which he could always wish to "give to (isle, to whose knowledge and abilities the country had been often indebted ; hot'really the Honourabla Member bad gone a little too far _ _ -- when I.e said tliat the electors of Westminster would not give their votes to any candidate who could not talk to them a great deal of nonsense. lie did not see how the-qualifications by scot and lot necessarily produced such a consequence . : but he would tell him, that when he, arraigned the character of the electors of, Westminster in this way ; he did it under_igliorance of the subject he was talking about. M. would that for independence, integrity, and dkcerament, unless in the' choice of one..Repre,sia4ative, there Ivan no . body of men who deserved Three highly of . .their country than the . ele . ctors,of.Westminster.. The manner in whiA theY''kae their . votes- was not such as another fiartoura4le Mernhc•r Iracj stated. . ‘ , . . There was no.hribe lottked for in- the paytrient of poor-rates to qualify them' to vOti • He knew-pot where the Honourable Member had received his information, but did not lie,;t:ito to say, dial it came ft•ont a source that was false and infamous. He (Mr. 11.) was enabled to state that there was a Gentleman then in the House, who, if the Pe tition which Nfas presiinted against his own re turn had -been persevered in, would have shewn such items of expence on the part of the popular candidates for the last-three 'elections in -West minster, as were wholly new to Committees of that House. He would..kaie...shewn that in a place where there were 1 . 5,000 electors, who, during 15 days were carried up to the poll, not a, penny was expended but in a legitimate manner, for printing, -advertisements,;.hiring rooms, and other objects ab so lut e ly nec e ssary i n conte sted electior4s ; every thing was Open' and fair—not an itern of expence but what: was legally account ed for; and the charge which had been, so unadvisedly made was a libel and a calumny . not only on the people of Westminster, but on' the people at large, at least on all bodies of elee, tors wl:Qse right of voting. depended upon the payment of, seet• and 10t... De did not see the Hon. Member for Taunton then in his place. He was sorry for it,, because it obliged him to do that which the Hen.. Member had-done—to speak of hint: in his absence ; but he could not help it, as those sort of things could not keep cool—(A laugh):—lle had stated, that the candidates for Westminster had no chance of success unless they. talked nonsense to their : constituents—(A laugh en the Ministerial Benches).—These were hard words, but when the House heard the comment with which they. were accompanied, it would ap pear that— Mr. BANKES rose to order. lie said that it was , disorderly to refer to any statement as - a misrepresentation which might have occurred in a former .debate, when the Member who - was alleged to have.made it was not present to sup port it, or explain. The SPEAKEn said, it certainly .Was the rule of the House, that a Member should not refer to former' debate, in which there might have ,been an incautious misrepresentation, when the ordinary disadvantage of such reference was•coupled with , the absence.of the Member to whom it was attri; buted, and who, had. he - been present, might-pos sibly spew ,that the mis-statemeut was uninten • Mr. IfonnousEproceeded, and said •he was'al ways ready. to pursue that line of conduct which' appeared most agreeable to the opinion of the Chair and the usages of the House. At the same time it was very hard that he should, in his ab - s e nce, have been alluded to as one who was in the habit of talking nonsense. There was, how ever, a way. of putting the matter without violat. ing the orders of the House, and he . was resolved that the observations of the lion. Member for Corfe Castle (Mr. Bankes) should not have the effect of preventing altogether what he was about to say, though it would cause him to change his manner of putting it. lie would say then to those Gentlemen who objected to the right of voting being allowed to people who paid scot and lot, and who supported an almost unlimited taxa- don, and who said that to such people no man was recommendable but on the score of his non sense, that they made a very great mistake; what was nonsense to one man, might appear sound wisdom to another, and that might account why it was that what was thought wisdom with in doors, sometimes appeared no better than folly without. The people were perhaps more compe tent to discover, whether a man was talking non sense than the lion. Member for Taunton suppos ed ; arid if he would only make the experiment, and try what be could do on a popular hustings, he would find that there was no place where Fal-I lacks or absurdity were sooner detected, and he might learn that he carried his own commodities' n that way to a bad market.—(Jrear ! and laugh er.)—Those who made such attacks as he was • now obliged to animadvert upon, on the peo ple at large, made a. had return far their dis cernment in electing them, if they represented popular places, particularly such • a one as Taunton. In that place, where, of course, no nonsense Was ever spoke, he believed it had once happened that the popular candidate had enter tained. his 'constituents in quite a : classical style, by having carried before him a loaf as large as a house, surmounted by four Cupids.—(Loud laughter.)----Now bad as Westminster was, ab surd as its taste was represented to be, he did verily believe, that a loaf twice as larg'e, and doable the number of Cupids, would not obtain, the in;ienious Candidate a single vote. (A laugh:) —He did not mean to say positively that this had occurred ; but he spoke of it from good authority. But it was worth remarking, that the Hon. Gentleman and others, who accused the Can didates for Samthwark and Westminster of talk ing nonsense, were always ready to flatter their own.pretensions to good sense, by passing enco miums on the wisdom of the !louse ; this was nothing else than panegyrising their own elo-: .quence and. capacity,. but. there was as little mo-.: desty in it as judgment. By adopting this prac tice they ran the risk of converting that House into something very like the paradise of Fools . , where every man fancied he was in full posses sion'of all wisdom, knowledge, and dignity, to the exclusion of all other persons, beyond the sa cred precincts of such a privileged and happy assembly.—(A laugh.)--Well might they then become deaf to the groans, the hisses, and the laughter of their fellow-countrymen, whenever they unhappily imagined that wisdom had gone out of doors. There was another point which he wished to observe upon. It had been said, that the Candidates in Westminster and such places, used language which they would be ashamed to use in the presence of, Gentlemen. Now, what was or was not becotn- ing a Gentleman was matter of opinion ; the word was one of very uncertain meaning. What ap peared gentlemanlike to one man might not be so to another ; but with respect to himself he could only say, that there was nothing which he hadsaid on the hustings of Westminster,which he would not be ready to repeat in that House; and he was proud always to avow, that when be first offered himself to the electors, he had given a pledge from which he would be ashamed to re- tire.--(llear, hear I)—itiith regard to titat indi .vidu;il 13111 0 he congratulated the country on th e ,e. progress which Reform had made ; this was pretty evident from the fact, that when Gentle men of the monied interest opposed any proposi tion of Reform, there v.-;re not wanting Members of Noble and Illustrious Families to speak in' its favour. This was consolatory to the people. It taught them round whom they ought to rally—it pointed out their .natural' defenders, and 'gave them - reason to believe that when the time camp they would not be wanting to them and their cause. Never did the great expediency of Re form appear more evident than in the present time, when . Spain, Naples, and Portugal were choosing Constitutions for• themselves ; and not going to that of Great Britain, but were adopting another which they thought Would better secure to them the enjoyment of their rights, and then the Allied Sovereigns said, " Don't let those peo ple, have the Spanish Constitution, give them the English one in preference, it will give us less altarm." Knowin;,, what the sentiments o f th e A !lied Sovereigns were with respect to the liberties of people, it was easy to see what this meant. — It was easy to see that they did not know the Constitution of England—that they were ig norant of its essential virtues—of its old and glorious principles—of its 'guarded rights and powers, jealous of encroachtnent—(llear, hear !) —No, this was not the- Constitution that they Meant. Theirs pas a more novel one, and one which, the Gentlemen opposite were always read v to call matchless, and he agreed with them• it was indeed matchless in rotten boroughs—match less in sinecure places--,--matchless in pensioners and placetnen—(Year!).Those'Gentlemen had that night given the Country a proof of their re gard, fo r the principle of the Constitution, in their decision on a previous Bill (the .-Newing iop Vestries Hill.) They were tender of the orders and privileges oldie House,and yet lfr2l of thein had voted for cuffing off the privileges of 30,000 persons, not in tire resent time alone, hut to all posterity. Such was thedelicacy of the House with regard to the rights of the Parishioners of Newington, and yet they were .very tardy and 'scrupulous in trenching upon the Franchise of the Electors of Grampound, though convicted of gross acts of bribery and corruption. I t would be well if the 'louse, while so careful as it alWays was of its ,own rights and those of the Crown, 4.0u1d always feel as indisposed to give up those which belonged_ to the subject.--(hear, hear!)—He concluded by observing, that, let the Bill take what shape it would, he, although a 4adical Reformer, would give it his support. Mr. T. COURT EN A.Y, adverting to some lan guage which had f a ll en f rom th e li on . M em b er, said, that when he mentioned the circumstance of the Candidates paying the poor rP,tes to qualify the elector, and %%hid' the Honourable Member stated to have come from a source false' and infa mous, he did not mean to apply it to that Hon. Gentleman in particular. Ile heard the fact, and he believed it to be true. lie was not in the, habit of keeping company with such persons as those who could have given false and infamous infor mation, and he threw back on the Honourable Member that expression of sovereign contempt which he had so indiscreetly used.. Mr. HonnotiSE said, that he did think the mis representation was applied to the candidates and Electors of Westminster ; but he did not mea to apply to the Honourable Gentleman himce the terms false and infamous: it was the sour( from which the information came, and which he could not help thinking so. Mr. COURTENAY explained. Mr. HumE corroborated the statements of Mr. Ilebhouse with respect' to 'the expellees of the Westminster Election, the accounts of which he had been, along with a Gentleman of another parish, called upon to audit by the Com mittee, on an election which terminated in the re turn of Lord Cochrane and Sir 'F. Burdett. lie found all the items perfectly fair and correct, on that and some subsequent occasions. He stated, that the Electors of Westminster would feel in- stilted by such an offer as to pay their poor rates. Such things might have, indeed, been attempted in the cause of the Government candidate. As to the Bill, he was friendly to it, but wished its principle had been :pore popular. ,Mr. H. GORNLY thought the Bill might do some good; but would have preferred the Bill as introduced by the Noble Lord to that as amend- ed by the Member for Yorkshire. The Order of the Day was then read; the. Re. port was 'brought up by Mr. llrogden ; on the motion of Mr. S. Wortley the Bill was re-com mitted ; in the Committee several Amendments were introduced ; and the House having resum ed, the Report Was received and ordered to be taken into further consideration on Friday next.— The Bill, as amended, was ordered to be printed. TRADE. Mr. SYKES, after a few preittury rental ks on the hardships with which the PetitlOn,rs were threatened by the intended proposition to open trade in Timlwr to the Baltic, and ex eres.ing his wish that the Right Hon. the Pre4ident of the Boaid of Trade would signify w s stota as pos•ible when the Report of the - Cominittite , On Ftrreign Trade might he expect ed, as it was a subject highly inter' sting to his Consti , presented a Petittall front the Timber Merchants of Hull, against any alteration in the iiresetit regnintions With re sneer to that Trad e .—R e ferred t o th e Committee en F o r e igi, Trade. Mr. 13E.W7I()NT pieserited a Petition frorn the Owours and Occupiers of Lau I in the Cotniy of Norihurnbeilavd, cAnolainivg ot the di'stress,to which agriculture WAS subject. ed to he printed, • Mr. 13. WILISIt 111,3A1 g ice notice, that on Thurs4lay next h. would in ye for leave to Witte, in a 13:1 to regulate and eillOrCe the attendorwe lit Sororg at Ni/VA SCOFIA TRADE BLU- M. Nov, Seuth Trade Bill went through it Committee. The Repo.l was received, and the Bill oideied to be :rad a third time to-worrow. • BROGD EN he ought up the Report of the New South it'alrs Doors Bill, Which wasagrt ed to.. The. Bill was order- rd to be read a third time to morrow , -The Attorneys Fees isi lorlanft Bill went throttell ft COlll !titter, the Rei:ort of which wAi ordtted to hr rectived To- I.! a Committee on the Glaes Act:, A Itegolntion was avre..,l to that it %vas expottivut to co/Ili/me the 59t11 of Ovolt‘e 111. re•citectitte, the I)oties nu Crow') &c., about to expire.— The Report WAS ordert.4l to be roceived to-morrow. 11 (TSB ANDRY 1-10 R ES Mr. LUSIIINGTON moved the Order of the Day 'or the Boum; to resolve Itself into a Committee, .0 consider of the _Husbandry Horse Act. - Mr.CURWEN rose, to move a previou3 instruc- tion .to the Committee, to wake provision for the repeal of so flinch. of the Act as related to the Duty on Horses solely employed in Husbandry. He regretted that no surii proposition had pro ceeded from the other side, and he was persuaded that it was itnpoSsihte Ministers cotild be aWtiPe of the extreme distress under which Agricul ture was labouring, not in one district alone, but over tile. whole country. No ,pne could contem: plate that distress without a disposition to make every effort, and at any risk, to relieve it. The amount of the tax certainly was not very large, bur though not - large it Wa3 most vexatious and unjust. It fell with the greatest weight on those who were the least able - to bear it. It fell espe cially on those who were employed on the poorer soils which had of late years been broken up. It had been said, that the further cultivation of such soils ought to be relinquished. That would be very well, if the pers'ons employed upon them could find some other :occupation. But it was known that there were already numerous other classes, consisting of many thousands of in dividuals, wholly unemployed ; and that , the funds for the support of the poor were so load ed, that they %sere quite unable to bear any fur ther charge. The horse tax was one that was extremely disproportioned. It fell much more, heavily—in the proportion of. seven to five — on the northern parts of the kin.2-dorn than on the southern, in consequence of the longer time . necessary for getting in the - crops in the former. Its effect' was also very injurious in discourag ing the breed of horses. He did, therefore, most deeply regret that it had not been proposed. to omit husbandry -horses from the operation. of the tax, because it 'sheaved that Ministers were not so sensible of the existing distresses as he 'formerly hoped they were. The farmers paid the same tax at'present as they did When in their greatest prosperity. The .Petition that evening presented by the Hon. Member for Warttickshire, proved that there was no temptation, under ex• isting circumstances, to induce the agriculturist to goon with his labour. Although the farmers were at present a very loyal class, it was impos sible to say what might happen, if 'no step were taken to relieve thorn. 'Something ought to be done, were it (Ally - to show a disposition in their favour. There were many. other sources . of tax ation, which would be much preferable to this obnoxious one. For instance, 'it would i , be much better to raise the game certificates frem three to five guineas, and to enable all owners of freehold estates to have gamekeepers. That was a tax which would be paid with much greater ease and satisfaction, and it would secure to the country gentlemen the enjoyment of their sport. The tax on pleasure horses might also be increased. Then there was the duty. on Russian tallow, at :present only three guineas a ton, whiCh was, in fact, a bonus-to the Russian trade. What had Russia done for us, that we were thus to sacri fice our best'interest to her? She had exhibited no correspondent' feeling. If the WeSt India Merchants were asked, they .would not . be able to reply that their produce Met with any pecu liar favour from the Russian Government. if the duty on tallow were raised to WI. a ton, it would produce a clear 300,0001., - which, with the produce of the increase of .gatift certificates; enable them to take off the odious bus-:' bandry horse tax ; and why this object should not be done, and our Greenland Fishery also protected by it, he was at a loss to conjecture. 'lace Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving as Amondment, the instruction to the Commit tee, Which 'he adverted to.at the commencement :of his speech. Sir C. Butteßet. supported the Amendment, and cont en d e d th a t the plough or the cart, or even the labourer himself, might as well be taxed as the husbandry horse. lie enforced the state ments of the lion. Member for Cumberland with respect to the oppression and inequality of the tax, dwelt on .the impossibility of affording the labouring poor any further parochial re li e f, an d. referred to th e •Petition from. Warwickshire; signed, not by farmers, but exclusively by' ,ma nufacturers, in p roo f o f the-- severe and un exampled distress which. agriculture was at pre 'sent enduring, and which therefore it was most 'desirable to take .every possible mean& to alle viate. • A MEMeEEt who spoke under the Gallery, and whose name we could not learn, expressed his surprise that so small a boon as that now required should be denied to the farmer ; and among other modes by which the deficiency might be supplied to the Revenue, adverted to the propo sition for imposing a duty on Bank Transfers. Mr. LOCKHART warmly supported the neces sity of affording some relief to the agricultural interest. The principle on which the tax on husbandry horses was originally imposed was good, because at the time at which it was imposed the farmers were very capable of bearing it.— Now, however, they were wholly incapable. It became a tax, not on their income, for they had none, but on their capital ; and where was the policy or principle of laying a tax on the , capital of a falling and ruined man ?—(ifear !) tie really did not believe that his Majpsty's Go- 'vernment were at all aware of the exient of the distress which existed in the 'agricultural dis tricts ; and he was confirmed in that opinion by understanding that they had, even within the last two months, sent intelligent persons to various quarters, to ascertain the fact ; thus shewihg that they did not believe the statements contained in .he Petitions on the table. He was apprehensive hat ere long conviction of those distresses would flash upon them in a manner that would compel Them to yield assent to those who had so•repeat edly pressed it on their attention. The lion. Member proceeded, at considerable length, to urge the necessity of taking every possible step, by which the burden at present imposed on the agriculturists might be diminished. Sir C. .11tra . rim.r. explained. Mr. P. GaENcr.i.r. said, that with res p ect •to the proposition for layi ng a d u ty on Bank.TranS fers, it was only necessary to- read to the HoUse a Clause which ran • through all the Loan Acts, and which expressly stated, that no stamp duty whatever should be charged on ► transfers. lie .• Fierefore could not but consider that any at- ernpt to 'lay a duty on Bank Transfers would amount to nothing less than a breach of public alth. The CHANCP.T.LOR of the EXCITEQUER said, nu Honourable Members did not appear to 1w .to be aware of the proposition which hi Ittiiiortrable rriend stlhitiitted to the considera tion of the Corrimittee. The proposition of his lidnottrable Friend was, that the reduced rate of taXtiflon which had been fixed about two years since for the relief of the Agriculturist, should be further conflated. He could not think , .it either candid or fair fur the Honourable Mem ber (Mr. Curwen) to take the present opportuni ty of submitting, aJnotion of so much importance, withous havingivN‘ any previous notice-of it.— The repeal of Taxes to th e amoun t o f h a lf a mil lion of money was, in the present state of .the Country, a subject of ve r y s e ri ous cons id erat i on. • hie . .would not say that it was not possible to find a substitute for that tax—(Hear, hear !) but at the same time he would not be understood as holding out a hope that suck a' substitute would be found. Ile thought the Honourable Member would act wisely not to press his motion to a division, because he could bring the subject before the House under morc.favourable auspices. Colonel I)Avrs said, that he certainly would support the motion, as he would support any motion for the repeal of the present I) r -of any other Tax. lie agreed with the Honourable • Member (Mr. - Curwe - n) on'the question of repeal, but he could not agree with him as to the pro priety of placing a tax on Russia tallow. It was somewhat straoge that, whilst so much had been said about the repeal of taxes, riot a word bad been said about retrenchment. He (Col. Davie:) would be able to spew, and he was .glad an op- Tortimity would .soon present itself, on the ap proaching discussion of the Ar m y Estimates, ante double the amount of.the tax now sought to be repealed might be saved in the Army aloue. lie was glad that the present qtuntion came uuder the consideration of the House ; he was of opi nion, that questions of the kind could not be too often discussed, and the only way of going to the root of public evils was by partial debates, at tacking public abuses, night after night, in every possible shape. Mr. MoxcK agreed with the Gallant Officer who had just sat down, that the only way to re dress public grievances, and to remove oppressive_ Taxes, was by attacking thorn in detail. To him it was very evident, that Ministers would never begin their long boasted work of Retrenchment,. until that House would-first begin the reduction of TaXe.4, lie was convinced, that time real cause of public distress tt)ight be traced to the state of the Taxation. Nothing but the reduction of Taxes would relieve the country. New Duties on the Importation of Corn would certainly be a relief to the Landh o ld er , b u t i t wou ld b e a relief. purchased at the expence of every other class of society, and of every branch of industry. An overwheltningTaxation pressed upon the vital parts of the country, and the distress - was aggra, vateci by the attempt to return to an improved Curreney.. Mr. HustussoN said, that, before the House went to a division, be would wish that the Mem-. bers should exactly understand.the nature of the The proposition, as it stood on the Orders of the Day, was to continue 'an Act passed a few years since to reduce the tax upon agricultural horses of a certain' class. Now, if the House did not gi). into a Committee, the eitect would be to. revive the, old t-ux.., sus,aj.thut description of horses which were now exi-mpt would be visited with the original tax. It woirld be extremely inconsistent in the House first to continue the low duty on one description of horses, and secondly to send instructiOns to the. Committee to repeal the tax aljOgether -on an other description. lie thought that the ilo Member would, art more fairly to bring the en tire subject fairly before the House, alter due notice. At present, _he conceived that it was" impossible for the House not to reject the pro position of the Hon. Member. Mr. BEN'NETT (of Wiltshire) said, he w 0314 certainly support every motion for the repel taxes on agriculture. He could not but feel with Hon. Gentlemen, that a retri retrenchment, that plans of real public economy would go a great way to remove the present excessive weight of taxation. Mr. lititc,HT complained of the anxiety or country Gentlem e n, who seemed anxious wily to transfer, th e i r burthens to the mercantile in terest. It was impossible •tliat the country could be served by transferring oppresSive burthen 9 from one great .publiC interest to another. As it struck him, the only effectual way of getting rid of the present tax was, by the country Gentle men combining and opposing the taxes altogether. Mr. CURWEN explained. He said he had no wish to take the House by surprise, or.to _act un fairly in any way. He bad often declared hi -4 intention to move to get rid of the present inill rions and odious tax on agriculture, lie had n° wish to press upon Ministers; he knew they had difficulties to meet, and that those difliculties‘in creased every hour. If Ministers would slww sincere disposition to alleviate the public bur diens, he would:not only not oppose them, but would aid them in the effort.----The House anti divided-7- For Mr. Curwereg MO ion 65 Against it ALijoi ity agairiJl the tioutiuii - - The House then went into a Cortnnittice, Ana the Resolution's for the continuance a the duty agreed to. The Report to be received•to,,rnorrow. The Rt port of the, Committee on Irich Cotirt;s of Justice was received, and ordered to be referred to a evannittec of the whole I-luuse on Friday On the motion for postponing the Committee of SupplY t in Wedoesitay. Mr. 11F.NNET wished to know, whether it was intended tiring or. the discti, , ion of the Army Estimates on, e h r e s ; Es a ti n o ni e : I p l aT i c7s ei ‘ v c ' h s icTi .u l re , had hardly been r i n n ov l t i !d i for,lan hands s n o a f ,I :!k t i n c . '" were necessary to illustrate those Estimates,.were n ot 1 1 "" (breed. linte%s they were presented, he should o ppose t bu disco,sion of the Estimates on W.ducgday. fir. L';.lli G'l ON sstirl, that he should, in the course of . alluded to by th e li on . Member. • Mr. 11 I 7 M E obse t veil; that the Chancellor of the Exchequer, at the opening' of the Session, bad stated that there would be a reduction on. the expenditure -of the present year of a million.—lttit it woul4 Ire seen, on taking the Estimates of the Army, Navy, and Ordnance. which had been presented to the Horse, that this redrietron was not more than 400,000% 'l'lrose . Earintates were, in tact, higher than the. Estimates of They were a little lowcr than those of 1840, which the How, knew had excreter! those of 18'9 by a milk'''. It tl'!ig " c " ary , that hefole the 11oo4e rlierrs , etl , the Estimates. they' should rave before them the Accounts, which had keen nyvell r r of the Yeronantv and Vo , nnteers. The CHANCELLOR of tire hal 11 UER said. 'it wer'l3. • Le nte,,sA . y that the Army Esti:Lalez. Fr"' . ,ea