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entrage up-on the_freedom of election.—(Chcers.) Lord CasTeLazaeiti was eta loss to know what the direct object ot e the motion was, but he sup. posed it wvas to have the parties brought to be examined at the. bar,. and then to deal them as eircurestancgs might require. From all he could collect _on th e so bj ec t, General Byng had giveti strict ord e rs t o th e t roops : not to appear iraCerlisle e d.oring the electioreexcept in aid of the. civil Rower ;"and the . Officer in command. had as strictly obeyed those orders. The House, livvever a. would bear it in mind that the British law pothorized the calling in of a military force :when the civil power was found ipsufficieut. keep the. peace. Upon the occasion in qnestion theamilitary, had been called in only on the requi. t s itiop of three Magiatrates: and when they af teewards--,vished to have -the cavalry brought back into tlu town, the Ofacer refused to corn plaaanleesewith the, consent of the Mayorovho, noalaubt, from proper considerations, declined gising.it . . It, appeared- that after the whole of the polli-ha was over, two companies of foat hat! 14)ep hroagh.tin to quell a riot, which he under stoed teas-.attended with great violence. ATraTa k eease ee i can assure the Noble Lord there wesretarioting.whsteaer.--(Clieers.) : Lord CAST/.cnr.lGti continued.-Theee might, peahaps, :be -in. this ecase a question ; of privilege but ; he did net see how _a . question of law could be. rained nen it. The, Magistrates might have tat - gal:under at.n, erroneous judgment e laut. certainly not c oaltli an evil intention. If their object was to: interfere tiwiih the freedom of election, .why ha;d they called in the military after the polling PAT!' ?-7--(crtes of . No, no it was not over.)--- gadid e not set there existed any sufficient grounds f(le - bringinjr ,persons all the way from Carlisle . to tha'har of - that House: and he certainly thought titeliouae was not the best Jury - in the world to try- all the facts of the case. • , ..aaoro Low - THEP. maintained that there - never )ezdbeen a more violent riot at any election than that which took plraceat theelectionfOr had read the depositions taken before the Mtigistratee, -and they all' represented it as a reett 'atrocious riot. The Noble Lord read au extract of a letter written by the Mayor, in. which • heitated 7 ,.that if the scenes continued which had already. occurred, he 'should have felt it his duty, hoWever painful, to call in the military. The Lord then vindicated the conduct of the ; Magietratesaand'said they had done every thing in. their. power to preserve the peace, but all was ineffectual till they had recourse to a military force. ..}l«..was - willing to admit that no military interference ought to take place at elections, but neither ought they to be controlled by a mob. The- Noble Lord concluded by, moving the pre vilus question as an amendment. . Mr. Cuaavat supported the original motion, and commended the motives which had actuated his.HoneFriend ip bringing it forward. He then argued that there was not even the semblance of.a.riot to warrant the, interference of the nl-ilia tar4e. The, only circumstance that could coante a ?:Mice. aid :idea, of a riot was that an individual iiad the boldness to ask one of the Magistrates if vie. Riot Act bad been read ?- For this offence he Was committed; 'and when it was. found that no proceedings could be taken against him, he was told.to Walk out of prison. This, however, the ;adividual very properly refused to dcetill he had get legal satisfaction, el/edging that the freedom -of.eleetion had been violated in his person, and that the Magistrates must be amenable for their cenduet. He (Mr. Curwen) concurred entirely • - with his Hon. Friend that a strong case had been rmd.e out to warrant an inquiry. le r. W. W.vsat observed, that the House could not be too' ealous of the -constitutional .freedom of election. The mere appearance of a body of soldie'rs, during an election, .was a violation of law, which could not be toleratedamiless where uaeOnt necessity required it. The . Hotiourable Member then cited- the case-of the Westminater eiecticn,in 1741,When. a body of soldiers, called in" by the 'Magistrates, took possession of the huatings owl a certain day; before the polling com menced. The House - upon that occasion pasSed rOsHati-on, stating-that this was a gross violation of the law. The Hon.MeMber then referred-. to the 'reprietiand of MraSpeaker Onslow to the:Ma gistrate; width animadverted on their Conduct in the most severe terms. He. Cotraluded bY de clsring himself in favour of inquire. Illreliecotreter insisted that the military had not iappettre.d . till'the poll was closed. - J4mrs--I !can: assure the R;glit Hon. Gentleman that tha poll was not closed. Likcaafaiproceeded.—Th e petition stated that "the military. appeared at four o'clock. -- if the 'Magistrates - acted 'wrong, they acted on their 6 4rn) - espoesibility, arid could be made'account:- able for their conduct, He was surprized to bewtit asserted, that there were no appearances cf R Ile- con'teraled that there were the strongest appearances: The Magiatrates . read* the Riot' Art • three several times; and if the rimers cikl not afterwards' disperse, how could` it LP 'thought culpable, that the military had 'been railed Ii ? The-. proper was would, be,ein • the present ceeeeif it *as .taken up by the House, 'to have the particulars detailed .in a petitlon, 'the merits of whickeshould be examined in a Select Clornroittee up stairs. ;With respect to the Me' a gistrates, tic ,thought that th e Court of Icing's Bench was the, only . place where their. conduct ought to be invesitigated. The subject of this Inlition - was somewhat stale, ,and;lie Saw no ad= vantage itabringing it forward. Air. CA rcrtA with' Much waxth Ca -deprecated tire : sentimenta he had - heard from the Right Hon. Gentlerrian Who had just sat" down. Be wase,x a trerriely sorry to'find that there SaS in that House . any one so - lost to 'a.due. 'sense ofthe- freedtiria of - election, so lost to a proper . regard for the:•beat priAcipleslof -the-Constitutikb,'es.toeileliver:SUch sentiments. Tbe'Right libii:Gentlernan the subject stale, -yes, stale; be cruse forsOotb . it s was not:v4rY-pleasitig to What ditif.the e ßigh - t'Hon. aentleman . ip r ii talkinaaof common Jaw and the CoOrrof. B e e ' that the .prOper - Wav for , ;to red reta an injury done to its dearest' - rightzebylbOtinterference of the military at.elec.a thlegs .. -?.'e 2 a(batirl Cliciera.)—lie regretted exceed inelv''fflaeany maa holding the'sentirii*nts Of •the ~• .. • . night-Hon. Gentleman . should have place in that House, and he still more' regretted that he - Amild have an official situation in the - coun try.—(Cheers.)—He verily believed that if the Righ.t" Hon. Geniterhan' had declared those sentiments before hand he never would have - got a seat in the" grit's!) House - of Commons; nor would he 'have got fife* office he ho%i held. ThE Right. Hon. Gentleman needed not to have told the ifouse'that the Magistrates acted on awlr othi resposibility; the House was. aware of it, and knew also that they must bp answerable at the tlar for the events that had taken place.--- He (Mr, Calcraft) did not stand there to shy Whether the Mip'bristrates were or were not justi riled by the .;necessity of the case in having re course to the military pOwer, but this he would say; that the douse was hbunld. to 'inquire into all the c:rcurristancea. Did the Right Hon. Gentleman when hd spoke as he had .done; hear ;.the words of that - revered Man Mr. Speaker 'Onslow, as referred was, h%' an Hon: Memb er ? The' fair - prPs n mption in the first instance, that the Magistrates had acted contrary to law, hoWev'er the 9 afterWardS stand acquitted froth partichlarcircum — stances. He thought that a Committee of privileges was - the correct mode btit if a select Committee was thought preferable then'let it be adopted. Let - the House not act in manner to shame itself, let Hon. Members not sanction the prificipleof common law or special pleading in such a case as the present: Bracit'and Mr. 13tcrimr send each a few words, explanatOry an allusion made by - the latter to the Nottingham Magistrates. , Mr. BENNET instanced a case where a more violent riot occurred than .that represented to have taken place at Carlisle. It was at the last election of a Noble _ Lord (Lowther.) who had taken part in the debate. Upon that . occasion he (Mr. B.) saw a person who had been a.'slave dealer, iri Liverpool, proceed at the head of a ferocious band of bludgeon-men, 'who 'were guilty of the 'most daring - excesses against the opponents of the Noble Lord'. It appeared that this. ringleader from Liverpool was -regularly retained by sortie of the Noble Lord's Friends. --(Hear, hear !)—lie had been present when aone'of the spoils of these ferocious rioters were taken from them. ' Lord Lowmca vindicated the conduct of .his friends, who, he ; said, acted entirely on the de fensive. The-Whigs had found it - convenient to have recourse to the military, when they were attacked by the Radicals, at (co, Westminster Elec tion. The Noble Lord Was proceeding to Offer some other observations,. when he was interrupted by loud cries of- r --(Spoke, spoke) —upon which The SPEAKER interposedobserving, that though it was irregular that such a discussion should be prolonged, still it was but fair that the House should allow the Noble Lord a full opportunity of explanati on , as they had permitted the Hon. Member for ShreWsbury (Mr..Bennet) to advert to a subject which had no reference to the case before the House: Lord Low - I-licit then said, that the milit ar y had come within a few miles of Appleby at the last Westmoreland Election ; and as to the cir cumstances which had occurred, they were not of a nature which his opponent (Mr. Brougham) thought worthy of being brought before the House. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that as there now .ap peared to b e the military had been called on before or after the poll was over, he should acqu i esce i n t h e pro p osition for inquiry. For-himself, he understood that the soldiers made their appearance in the evening, but as a doubt existed, it, ought to go in favour of investigation. Sir JAMES. G R ASI rose, amidst loud cities of " Question," and stated, that there were no less than seven affidavits,' to shoW that the most dat ingericts. had taken place for some days, and th a t inconsequence :it' was found imperatively neces sary to call in the rtilitary. The three magis trates were• most anxious to•have the subject in vestigated, in - order :to. vindicate their conduct. The circumstances Complained of took place on the 24th of May, yet nothiny; had been said be fare 'respecting it,•though the House was sitting at, the time. As to the petition, ire'had peen credibly in - forrried; that many who had put their names to it did not know what they weresigning. Mr. JAMES, after the able discussion which the 'subject }Cad undergone, didhot.think it necessary to trespass on the time of the House with any reply. The motion was 'then agreed to, and a Corn ruittee appointed. • _LAWS RESPECTING i7pREAD. Mr.' IIA.RnoRD - called the. attention of the house . to,a grievance which Pressed Severely oh two-thirds of the'population of the country, who lived almost on bread, the primary. and best food they could get. Care should be taken that the bread with which the poor were supplied, should : be . of the beqde.scription„ and that good weight or me4sure, should. be secured. The laws on this subject seemed to hold forth a protection to the poor_rnan Ivhich it' did not supply. He had re ferred to the Acts.passed relative to bread. during the last 553 years, but he would not go throUgh which indeed would Only go to slew the_ difficulty, of legislating on the subject. He - proposed - to move for the aPpOintment of a Corn-- Inittee'; - and to ma-he out a case for this it was Ofily_necessary for him to ,'point out the defects 'of lhepresent laws.. At present, under the 59th (eOrp,e Fll. that Act after providing for the . punishment of the adhlteratiOhof bread, enacts, " That the seller of light' bread cannot be pu nis!'ed,' unless the bread be weighed lierore : a Magistrate within. 21 hours after being haked." How .-- cmild 'a pauper, who bought his bread of a seller, - proye that - it h a d not been baked 24 liOars? baker ought to haie been required to she w was` akeri • frem the oven. As the laWnow - stood . , the 072uspr ,sv as thrown on. theareifig, person: proceeded. -at F ! orne lengt.h:tAp'-oiril: out the 'defects of the existing law, and conc l o4,.by. moving- for (Lel a-I.)point ruentß.l a_Selec(corriMiffee. the,npri. :AVern her's statAlents to the defectS of th e law. as it noes slow!, and supported the motion.,. He . was. anClined_ to think that competigon Vias the best reMeale,.. for H. tho ug h t the (73.oannittee croposed - !Omp ... ,ppp s!O . would . ,..,4e,l'a . kely to re-; ~ commend. that the laws on this subject should be repealed. altogether, or that bread should in all eases be 'sold by weight. Sir - C. BURRELL spoke in favour of the Motion. The 'price of bread was higher than it ought to be. 'Wheat was kt presentl4/..per load, and the 'quartern-loaf sold for ten-pence. When Wheat sold for 301 per load, the price of bread sold for one shilling and sixpence. It was seen that corn- Petition did not cure the evil, and that the buyer Was left completely at the mercy of the sellers. Mr. LITTLLfON and Sir C. BURRELL severally explained, and, after a few words from Mr. Al .dermanT. Smi'rn a in favour of the motion, the question was put and carried, and a Committee appointed. , Mr. Humr put off his motion respecting the Miscellaneous Estimates till Monday. ARMY ESTIMATES. Lord CASTLEREAG H moved the Order of the Day for bringing up the Report of the Conimit tee of Supply. Mr.' BERNAL observed, that the Guards now formed a body of military police, and the duties which, they had to perform in that capacity Ns ere felt' by themselves as a severe pressure. This was a subject which deserved the serious consi deration of ParliaMent. Ile saw no reason why so many detachments of the military should he sent .to stations, where their services were not necessary. ,Why was a Serjeant's Guard kept at.theWest India Doek, and the British Museutrxi Surely there could be no reason why the West India GoMpany should not maintain a sufficient Police . establishment for the protection .of their warehouses, nor could he see why a Serjeant's Guard of six ; men was deeMed necessary to pro tect the coins, the Elgin marbles, or the different engravings at the British Museurn. It might be said, that the reduction for which he was contend ing, amounted to only 100 men, and - this was too trilling to deserve attention ; but it should be considered that a guard of 100 .men demanded a main guard of 400 men, as they required to be relieved every_ fourth night. Ile by no means wished to see the Foot Guards - abolished, but he thought they Might be fairly - reduced to the num ber of 4,000 men, rank and file. The cavalry, which now composed a force of 7,000 men, might also be reduced with great benefit to the country. Ho did not Wish to see the army so reduced as to leave the country naked arid defenceless ; : but he was most anxious, on the other hand,. that an Unconstitutional, overawing Military force might not be kept up in the country. Sir H. IVIRDI.VGE obServed, that the subal terns of the Guards ,were much under paid, com pared with the rest of the army. A Lieutenant of the Guards ranked with a Captain of the.line; but, in point of fact lie received little more than half-pay. The Guards were at present kept up at a very trilling expence to the country ; but' if they were placed' upon 'the same footing as the line, that expence would; in fact, be materially increased. - Mr. LOCK4ART said, the house of Commons acted' with regard to the public expenditure, like a prodigal, who first determined to spend a cer tain sum, and then proceeded "to consider hOAV he should get it. He objected to the Report being brought up upon these principles, and he main tained that 'the Committee' was. falsely termed a Committee of Ways and Means. They did not consider the real ways and Means by which the country might meet the expenditure, but they merely reconatnended a given s.ervice to he sup ported by a given expenditure, without. estireat ing the, ineans of the country. How could he (Mr. Lockhart) tell that, the two measures, which were Shortly to be submitted to Parlia ment ; he meaift the repeal of the last Malt Du ties., and of the. Husbandry _Horse Tax, might nOt be carried, and a deficiency c on se quent l y arise in the• Way's and Means of the. ,country to support the ,proposed expenditure Sir H. Rartrps.aa. - :aid,, - theprospeet before the country waS:Sefficierftly lamentable, for the rea soning or his Majesty's Ministers was, that if tiiere were no 'reduction of the army, there,could be no dimihntion of expenditure, and consequent ly no reduction of taXation.. The Hon. Member proceeded to adVert to 'the Military force kept uu in Ireland ' and contend e d t h a t the 'Civil -. 4 • Establishm en t . in . that . country was not placed upon a proper footing. The great defect of the evstern)VaS, that. constables were appoint e d by the Graed Juriea; and 'consequently we re no t ffi suciently und er the controul of the Magistrates. Ile hoped that the Hon. Secretary for Ireland would turn his attention to this subject ; for he was satisfied, that if the Civil forte were placed upon a proper, footing, the Army now kept tip in Ireland might be r coresidereblv.reduced. Lord PA - LMERSTON said; the :Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Lockhart)" had said it was a misnomer to Call. the `Committee a COMmittee of Ways and Means ; 'and So,' indeed, it was, but it was the Hon. Gentleman - himself who Was guilty of the misnomer; for lie had thought proper to call that a Committee of Ways and Means, which every body else called a Corimilttee of .Supply (a laugh). Mr. CA:LERAFT Made some observations in ex planation of what he •had said the other night. fleapprov - ed of the systern . of keeping up a con siderable skeleton of our military force, as one Which in the'end wou ld b e th e most economical. While he was &sirens that every practicable re duction should take place,..he declared that no man horfouted the service more than himself, sal -Was-More anxious to . keep up an efficient military force fOrtheservice 'of the count r y. Mr: LOCititAtiT'adrilittd th a t; he had used the WOrds Ways - artd Means instead of a CoMmittee of SUpply, but maintained that his argument was not in the slightest degree .affected by:that diffe rence. Sir li. V.Lyt.t;sr said, that m; - Th as they had hard about the small' size of the horses of the 'Light Cavalry, he believed they were Very_ little less than tii.2y had been formerly. Hq had no doubt . that atone time the large.Englisli carriage horse was - appropriated to the use of 'the Cavalry; but he.was sure every lion. Member would alloW that such horses were not so fit for that service as Smaller ones, N;Vl;ich . Were. better biNd. They were perhaps more powerful, but they did itot ,possess blood 'to bear regular 'and hard . 4 duty.': believed the present horses bettercal- culated than any others for the service to which they were :Tolled. The Report was brought up and read a first and second time.—Oh the motion, that the Reso lution far 81,444 men be agreed to— Atr.Humerose to propos e an A men d ment , i n introducing which he felt it necessary to make only one or two observations in - explanation of what he' had stated an a former night. Sarre expressions of his had been construed as reflec tions on the Guards, in disparagement 'of whose merits he had said nothing. The estpreSsion " idle Parade," which he had certainly used, had no reference to the nature of the troops / but, if mote troops (of whatever, description , they might be) were kept up than were necessary for the wants of the country, the only ends they 'could serve were those of idle parade. sls to the question of reliefs, it should have been reetillect ed, that a part of the troops stationed in the West Indies, being one-fourth of the whole, viz. the Ist and 2d West India R e gi men t s , an two bat talions of the 60th e were never relieved: He was convinced' that the vote which had been proposed to . the House was more than the Safety of the cenntry- required, or than its finances Could bear. The principal reason which urged him to pro pose a reduction, was the wish to make the Ma gistrates rely moreson Power forlhepre 7 servation of the civil peace, instead of resorting to the military, as'they now too frequently did . ; -Of which they had heard an instance that night, in the Carlisle election. Soldiers were 113'N put every where; they could not come to that House without _passing through centiuels; and there was now' t barrack under the same loaf With them.—(Hear.)---It was true enough, as the Gal, lent Member (Sir H. Hardinge) observed, that the'GuardS had enough to do; and no wonder, when the Government set themselves to find the. necessary business for them.—(Hear.)--Au j - ection had been made to his suegestion for al tering the pay of soldiers who might hereafter be enlisted ; for (said the Noble Lord) would you have soldiers with different rates of pay in tire same regiment The Noble Lord Must know, hat even now there was not a regiment in which here were not soldiers enjoying _different rates of pay, those Who enlisted for limited service re ceiving an increase of pay aftera certain time.— When they Were Fooking at the situation of the soldier, they should look at the condition also of the labourer, by the taxes upon whom lie was maintained. He should propose as an Amend ment, that 71,4.11 be siibstituted for 81,444 men. Colonel Devits said, that as the chief objec tion to redtietion had been the necessity of re liefs for foreign garrisons, he should show - that the proposed reductions could be made without taking from the troops a pplicable to reliefs. The old colonies had now 17,000 men. In 1787 they had 12,213, and in the latter half of 1792-- 13,277. I f the garrisons of those colonies were re duced to the standard of 1787, 4700 ; if to that of 1792,' 3,700 men might be reduced. At St. Helena, the great establishment Was defended on the ground of the propriety of allowing Bonaparte considerable personal freedom. This feeling was proper, but the object, as any one who knew the island was aware of, Might be attained by half the number of men. A battalion might thus be saved there, and another from Malta. We had now 4,000 cavalry more than in former - Peace establishments ; he would propose to reduce one regiment. There would then be left only 3,339 men to make up the 10,000, who 'it was obvious Could be reduced without affecting the. reliefs, When the garrisons themselves were 'propor tionately diminished. Mr. R. MARTIN said, that as the Hon. Mem ber for Aberdeen,(Mr. Hume), who might be called the leader of the Opposition, had proposed to reduce the pay of the soldier .to one-half, would he get his party to pledge - themselves to that measure ? . Mr. IfuNt-r.: observed, the Hon. Member for Galway had applied terms to him which he was not warranted in applying, and had pet into his mouth words which he (Mr. IL) had never ut tered. He never spoke of any such thing. as re ducing the pay of the army to one-half. Mr. U. MARTIN apologised to the House. for having misunderstood the - Hon. Member. Mr. UTC HINSON observed, that when the House had been voting an extravagant 'Estimate oh an inipoverished 'country, lie did not envy the task of the 'Hon. Member for Galway, who en- - deavoured to turn into ridicule the efforts of those who had exerted themselves to lessen the burthens of the people: He was proud of being one of those who had joined in those efforts ; he acknowledged no leader; he had looked at the distresses- of the people, the state of the financer and the volley 'of the country, and he declared, as a man of honour, 'that he believed the vote to be extravagant and unnecessary. Mr. R. M tS' explained.—After a few words from Sir R. FERGUSSON', Mr. -- BANKES said, 'that if he had been in the House last night ; he should have supported the reduction of 5000 men, and he Should leave sup ported 'a still further reduction, but for the greater number of men required for reliefs under the present system of enlistment, ThiCh he sup posed was good, because it was praised by those who were better acquainted With those mat ters than he. He understood, that wheh the Estimates Were - ,brought forward a feW years ago, only 3000 men Were set dawn 'for re liefs, and 'if he mistook not,' no' longer ago than 1819, the establishment was not !so large as it was now: He was the m3t'e urgent for reduction on account of the state of the coeetry 7 Mr. 'WILBERFORCE said, he could not but think that the Military establishment would bear, reduction.' He had no doubt that the Ministers had made inquiries with a view to reduction, but it was Well - known that the heads of military, as well ses:all other establishments, to see them flourishing and well appointed. if the force were now reduced, the country would bear more willingly an augmentation in time ofethirgency, •Mr. W. SMITH was 'convinced a great redqc than might be. made in our military establishments. If we looked around us to see from what nation any attack Could by a7 - ly possibility be s sea:le an our - Colonies, we shottld see that the mere forms of 'garrisons in them woulg be si4cient. The ‘Vere expbsed to no danger in present° or in pros pect°. By reducing the number of the troops in the Colonies th'e' incidental eXpences would be more than proportionably diminished. Lord PALmEna-rom said, that with regard' to the excess of the present Feitimates over the year 1819, it consisted, first, in the augmentation of the force necessary for New South NVa les, which had been increased from 600 to 1000; and se condly, in the addition of two Veteran Battalions for the Garrison of Heligoland.. The latter arrangement had been made in consequence the greet inconvenience of removing other regi ments to and from that station. The propo sition of the Honourable Member for reduc ing 10,000 men, would leave in appearance a force of 71,000. But. he wished to call the at tention of the House to the actual state in which' the service would be left. - As he stated en a former evening, th - ere:were now 4,500 inert afloat upon reliefs. There Were besides 4,400 non7elfectives. There were alsq 1300 recruits unfit for servic e , making altogether a total of up wards' of 10,000 men ; 'so that Hon_ Members by voting 70,000 men, would in effect he gi r ving the GOvernment only 00,000. The 10 ; 000 now proposed - to be reduced we're, in fact, not-el-Ter tive,and.consequently a vote' for the reduction of 10,000 Would be a substantial reduCtiim of 20,000 from the proposed 70,000. • - • Mr. CALcrtArt said, that with respect , tO thv last observation of -the Noble Lord, shonhf only observe, that if 'the' people gave .the•Gue vernment a certain establishment, it was their fault if they did not keep it up. They received the money s , and therefore had no to say that they did . not apply it. flut wlta4 was the question before the. House ? TheY adied for a given number and it was proposed to give them less, still leaving themliucluding the military establishment of Intla),a force of 91,`,154 : :then for a peace establishment. Now, was it possible that any reasonable man.couhl call this niggardly allowance? Vpon ttaiS subleci, how ever, he would, not go 'into detail, as that had been done more satisfactorily' by Ills .Hou. f;rienti the Memb er for A berdeen brut he prepared It statement s o me years since, which he would hator to the Noble Lord. if he thought it north 'fii 4 acceptance.-- (Lord Castlereagh . bolelle had clearly s h ewn i n t h at statement that a* coos:- derable reduction rni,7lit be made in oar miritarl establishment, without at all interfering with its . . . genera! efficacy. '• Strangers were theo ordered to withdraw . , 3T 13 the House divided upon the amendment,_ whet there -appeared— the Amendment. Against it ......... Ahjerii, • -• • The other , Resolutious w(4e . Wed Eigrte'ti - tof and leave wa's given to bring in a Bill futiodc a upon the Report. Lord A L'1"1-10RPI,.."a):7sN'eld'Irth(e(s4).tet.IiIi.trSclrt.aclingoir.11'e:-.- Courts Bill. • • Mr. LO('K[IART agreed in the principle of the 'Bill,, take away from the Coot t of Kieues. Bench th e power, of (FY' log- certain petty eatlSeS; thott4ll he agreed icrllfe 4 Pr'"; Cyle of thez 13111, he was by no nleants Clear the plart'o' tit Nolt!e Lord, in erseatUig a new Trihunal, was he wtYle best ad a pt e d to carry that principle into ctre..et. flieetial that the 'Quarter SeSsieens be a mock' better •Thlitiw fur trying causes to the a,toctlit of !al. lie - slouch! no t or timer the :. , econd readier.: of the Bill, bat in a fortire tsr shantel either oppose the Bill in totO, ortrairsfii lion to the Quarter Sessions, ers a neW Tribunal wauld satisfy the People. . . F. PA Ll'efEEl. said, that as a Nttwi'strate'attehitintLt• tri" the atldifi'onal • • Mt. C_IIET,VVY:seIiE st a t e d the Qoarter S-ssion,. otcrlntrtiteavd, and if adchtioei t .,l h ort h,.„, imposed, it would .13e• necessary tee hart-a stipeoutiary N 145 „,t (racy, the greatest e: - i1 that e ( told the country. OppOSt that part of . the 818 that went to impose 31' 1 ' 1 bort hens oli lb! , !Nil& nty: . Titv A'l TORNIf.Y. GENERAL t lie, Bill eiltssi, j 1 r able, thong!' be - MANI not oppos e it i n thi s staz e ; i „,y of a Parristee otliciating such a i2 o nitt wretr i e t fie •bk-'°",',;:tid that expeoce, .together with that be very consideralole. Such C.ourts would L tive rise to al'„,j -set of .4tloc Who . wozild attend so l e l y to such Coit"' ~ ;„to great enr.oetragem ent would h e a frortle-d to litigation , t . 11 the cheapness with ethielr it cou ld b e cat ried un. was exceptionabl e in all its (ivtalts ; and to he of 'illy roust c•oru new Bill i,flhe Cntr.mirtea. Lund I:111011M said, as the Hon. G e nth. "" l 118'; r, jecled to ?Inc prini;iple of the Bill tie did not wish Ott K u into the Com m i ttee to fill tip the blanks.: fie ful l y agreed - lit " 414 4 had been stal e d, th at i t wasinipossihirt i ills Ow any adilitiov'' burthen On th e Q uar t er S ess i o n;. He s h ou ld h ave Is.:4'l'fr, tir' that Counsel shoot& be employed if the parties • had. received a letter front a G , :nitletnan, station": that been cast in minis. in tine Corn's . Court, the hill of 11 ' 1 attorney haul- c , inic to ,561 end his OM! -,,twr"t! ltd. Loa el) a st a t e o f the lay: loudly called for A ltetatiun reformat ion. . Mr: CA . NIPI3I/..LL was in favour of ..he Bill, is•hrob- he would he: allowed to, gee to a Commutter• and 0 f a l sci,,,,ifl:j, it, fear., the practice pf the he riff Loutts In r1•:.1::r ,should vote for the Bill g o i ng i nto the Conintiiter, ‘ vi view to its amendment. . ' MANSF( ELI). stated 11: e c oun t y ra t es So he very' I t ' and i " lb ' c"'"!ty if Leicrovi never f.y.ceeduti a polity i" Ctte pumrl. v. as i” favonr of the Bill. , for The Bill was Coen reee-el a second time, and corrtilil" Monday: as Was the Pliblie•Notaty!s WISH 11'1'1-IES. . , I*W:es Wire order of the day , fOrthe second reading or t c ''e t LrFtsmg Rill ( fre.larol) was moved liv Sir H. PARSP"'„, • Sir= 6E0143E. HILL objected to the .Jiwoud readi ir4 --'''' The 13d ought first to he printed. " Mr. SPRP,' , M RICE sups,...dird the second reading , a s P,; '. posed by Iris Honourable friend. He wout6 not oll'i“" st i ; );9. . measure if he did not know that it Was it' 'I I I the "--b'S greca ) e u of the Clergv of Ireland. Mr: LOCKFI A R.T - tinew that the Bill was corseni3llo tie wishes of the Clergy.of Ireland,.arid believed that its opr"'"' " wou , d lie favoriratile to the public at iar4e. itl A Mr. '.. N r.... r 6 AR! wished tl6l th e . 1-lill.Shonld h.' "' ,i (1 see ol ol time Ibis ~) fortnight ; arid !hot it should 4e r" JHR. in the mean time. , 5 ,, Sir HENRY PARNELL thou:tilt I.',at it would he u '„''',;, ,t 2 deirr the printing ofthe - Bill nog; rafter if bad g"" e t r" f - '- this Conim it tee. • . Mr. C. 11 ITTCI.III,NiSON was of Ihe same (;pinion. Mr Cr)r It'PEN.IY sulnoirted that . the Bill 41Ould "'fly be d upon an iniderstaroling that it would be re read a seco n d time, aird'comruitted ; arnt afterwarits prUlte t / A conversation then ensued between '.,,1r. B. Gurd"" , ,b,. r Peter Moore, Sir Geor,.;e flill, and Lord Althorp , :,, s _, which the Bil was read r..second tinse.—Cusatrnitteti on4"" day next. • Jered ..), ' c A nin , : ll Mutiny Bill was read 'a first tune, and or to be read a second time on Nfoorlay - nest. .- and The reioaining Orders of , the.Day were-then disposed- o (,s. the horse Adjourned at HALF-I'a N% ELY- 8 '' 'Cluc 'CIDCIC ..HIC:tiIWAY Roßnuity.---A.bout elvven ° ster on Wednesday niiiht Mr. N‘rairT.F.H.EAD/ a ma ed by,- .., 1 .conimitted. Nu.. ova's stopped r. !wino-ton bwo-footpads on tile road between -ke ts r•atTenter. residino- at Waiworth robbed Th e y TO Cross and Lambeth Workhouse. two fi at ;)onus{ of his pocket book which contained/several besides pound Bank of Endand notes, ..-. bAls and miners. . - Print-cd y .T. CARSTA !AS, of No. 21, C.; rec. Orniond-str!ct,. Clue , F.ti-square ; and publishe d by i•t•'• of No. 7 7 South Afolton-street, tTin 11.4 Orr No. 112, Str.i.nd'; it•-e ADV ETt'l 2-; Tit 0 r , 33 a 3; LE:I riR t.c.'(l-K);'--- rinrst • , the Pat s.-it ei et ; t t rig the ciiii] t, „ Al:, _ r ‘tr, e , ti e' Lin Sti t t Said