The Sun. — London, England, 1844-03-02 00:00:00

humblest officer, ' the constable, as he did in the case of some friend of his who was now he (Sir J. Graham) be-' I'eved an outlaw. He, again, - attacked the conduct ' of• the public Prosecutor. At another time it was the wit 14esses whom he assailed., Upon the whole the Hon. F ent iontan had &mos t me rbid sens ibili ty — an i nst i nct i ve , a read, a s it were, of political inquiries. —(Hear, and Lighter from the Ministerial benches. And he seemed to be greatly alarmed that justice had at-last overtaken rlitteal offenders., He_wished -him joy. —(Hear, • hear,. ud a laugh.) But with respect to his own (Sir J. Gra liathatwes? conduct, he had the approval . of the majority of. e f Ho use. — (Laughter -from the Opposition - benches.)_ saw arranged opposite to him, note ithstauding some r e Paration, a-strong muster of parties opposed to the re paration, They (th e Mi n i sters ) h a d ma d e no suc h t re paratien,_.b u t st ill he" f e l t con fid ent t h at w i t h out. s 4v ing made any suc h P reparat i on, i n appeal i ng to the : -irse, the f ee li ng, and the judgment of that House, the ,ll. Gentlema n wou ld not succee d i n hi s mot i on. prJ. RUSSELL sa id t h at h e certa i n l y ma d e no hparations—(Cheers and laughter)—for this debate, er did he intend to take any other part in it, than what frfelt called upon to take in consequence of what fell , L • t r the Right Hoe. Gentleman. The Right Honour th_e_ Gentleman said he believed it was the practice of of who were concerned in the executiVe..departnaent the country —.-at least so far as the Home Department 'l;4, e Oneerned--to send persons, when the excited state ttne country requiredobtain reports of what took `see at publics meetings.• lie-would say, nt once, that if, tw ee in the Government, and if-the excited state of the public-mind, either in England or Ireland, required, hi if large meetings were held, and if it appeared. to: , torn, readieg the reports of what passed at . tliese; " ti ngs, that anything of a seditious, or daiigereus to-74,1,_,neY, had been said, he would consider it it his duty' he tarn correct reports of the proceedings.--,(Hear,, tle 9 He did not know that he would have done any-, but what the Right Hon. Gentleman - had dane-7-- I=l37,.applyGurney for a short-hand Writer,,, eO -"nein he could place confidence, and send him to take e a t reports of what had taken place, more • Tally it the . langnsge •was: of . such a _character ti t 9 .!,ignt render' it necessary to institute legal proceed • ,lie•wonld say there would be no security for the. ntry if reports of meetings were to appear in the t 4 :PaPers, and allowed to be circulated by them, con ti,.tng perhaps language of a seditious and revolu *4'7 kind, and if the Government of the country . . th were not to have cognisance . of what passed at Lice He was not now speaking of any particular s; e l ; .l ns, but of Possible meetings, at which language of t h a character might have been used. He thought .eountry would be placed in great danger if the . I,llUrster - did not do his duty in such a case.—(Hear.) n f a ,l'ng 'the view which the. Right Hon. Gentleman did ii ;"9 B e meetings. he thought he would not be doing his if he did not take steps to have correct reports of - at had b een d one a t t h ose meet i ngs. —(H ear, hear:) w,;,thotight that a person-employed as a shorthand 1 „"er, and paid a t th e ra t e a t w hi c h tho se persons were 4- 41 , 1 Y paid, was a person very different from those k b ! were •• formerly employed by . the Govern " ',„k" and ' w h o w er e ca ll e d sp i es. —(C r i es o f iae s ersta F. hear.") But if he was a Persen employed se ep and 'we n t i nto the secret , councils of persons p i Pnsed-ta..be .disaffected—if he watched their lan and-:...reported- to his employers what passed at haft s eekkineetings,. such a person. might go beyond wiwtorrect, and might excite and promote that hp Y'Cllsaffeetion and seditiOn..that very treason, which e x I : _.` lt s elfiloyeato.report, -But a person who goes to fairlynnd•faitirfully the commands he has re in 4 ; t4late a repokrof 'what passes at public meet hehexeites •-no-ono-to-- the-commission of any crime sou ea r merely states - what - he• sees; and.takes down what c oi l e at's• Thin,7li6;- could- any-person conceive—how - -anY person. lave a right' to complain: of it as a to ~nee, when simply sent among them to q, down "theit ' . The Right Honourable e 9tl eman - then-proceeded to the other p ar t o f hi s i'4lduh, upon - which; certainly (continued his Lordship); • Re 4 411 1Ot — sia — willitiii. because ani not so able, to f ....,..,. ..... . _The Right Hon, Gentleman re .o to ... to the. coLukkokacion . which he required of the re'PeXts......from the reporters of the h. Papers. If -that, was • merely tasking those t t6olcdtrwn reportrof - proceedings, to appear at the d o 'a nd:els:a:elidelice as to what they - had so taken • : in - ortlerto-verify.what had - been taken by the • ' er nt4oiittepotters, I cannot see what matter of b e — A, e there could:,be,in making- that request.—(Hear, h e '• ' Whether it .might not injure the credit of a iq Per if it shnuld be 'known that its reporters were ti,""c.nahit ofnsaistingilie.Goaernment in its proseeu ---that wase•matter for -the proprietors of news rrs-themSelves to Consider . ; that was a matter of • that'itlier polici and neWspaper morality, with which th-e.,'evernment, has no-concern. • But I must say that Iti t i;:' , 4% of the Right Ilon. Gentleman's defence, th e , ' t egt4rd to..M.r. Charles Ross,- depends entirely . on st ri ; Et ''t"n, racy with whicirthat individual observed his in rae-„e•iths. If he openly_ Made.hiS report to the Govern eco,"2'..de partment an •Ireland •or England, and did not lireajltis character, then . the instructions given him estint : Pr4er,..and:WereProPerly observed ; but if; on the tis N . -- : r Y , Zir,,C, Ross •.eoneealed his character in any • pra,',. ?„1' wormed himself into the councils and br those engaged in the repeal agitation, then I hilt:t• .nruot de-tioo‘unbs tathw6hat the Right lion. Baronet says about the re him, but I must say, some injury -tie s a be „: l doue by those instructions not being duly car ' til er for:the purpose of stating what I On ••-ale'W "L til L . l n i v duty would have been had I been i n the ser a po• ken :e Cro wn , b u t th e Ri g ht H on .• Ge nt leman h as of some compact and -alliance between myielf " r . kr. O'Connell. lam perfectly well aware of the at which, during the existence of the late Govern o the constant reiteration of that eharge--(l.lear)-- w, - -ek assertion that the patronage of the Government- • toAPlaced at the disposal of Mr. O'Connell, produced etit - '7, e l in jury of, the Goterninent, though the charge was • ex . i,`;`,:iY unfounded. Although the statement that there bas s ome , compact between Mr. - O'Connell and myielf f oundation, ..yet I will never shrink if I see Mr. tal e , lol , or any one else—any other person of less tas. v - h _" or moving in a humbler sphere of life—whatever 'l4A,"' the obloquy to which I may be exposed in conse tee a -c e of that 'declaration—,l will never shrink r when I. 4ell - hP e FSon treated in the manner in which Mr. O'Con thilt- .as beri treated; from declaring in this House, that 1 10 i trson has not had - a fair trial.—(Loud cheers.). I ...ie r ,;_ n t° ( l l ty that the Right Hon: Gentleman can east 41 , ea. '",,'" -- 410 obloquy that the party to which the Right. . Gentleman belongs can cast upon me, for acting tide r ' Bl33 ItViUnner,'shall deter me from doing what I con int,TY duty t o the Constitution.—(Loud cheers.) The th 'nu. Gentleman pridei himself upon the results. • m y b ug trial ; but since hos° prides himself, I will state, i u that if the same offence had been committed: N i ' country, su pp os i ng the. Attorney-General for houldhad - puriued•a somewhat. similar course, we charge from the ~i•nclgei— let'of. cnliterslind a different )—and a different verdict from. the jury.— Vers o :flied cheering.) That is ply opinien, and be the '`"liri ti ',, w ho they may, I never will ,cease from endea '?Yinp,„{s to obtain for the people of,lreland .the full en -434 of all those rights and privileges, of the posses -134,110`q of the people • Of- England, are • so. justly 44:bgtnraense cheering.) c a! , 1,44 be .INICOI.IBE rose .to reply. In the first place , (4 Placcused . of "eharging the Government' with atie ° 6,;"g spies and calling those persons spieS who . L ":4tud Uniourable agents. Ile had done no such', 'e- Go w hen a reporter at public meetings, acting for . ,Fev - r„ l ' v ernment confessed himself as the agent for the there was certainly nothing to justify the '° ll of the word . spy to him.--(ll.ear, hear.) He '`!‘ti g h,, , that man a spy—far from it. Mr; Bond * tt•'' was n spy.—(Cheers from both sides.) He . 4 r4 ' 11 a t t ° e . v th eae meetings, ° and openly acknowledged G him -1 a „ e r l y one of them as an agent from the overn t'ja,4o4-8' nn had himself manfully avowed , that, on all h . whi eh , he was received with that courtesy and respect 4 e n , , e very gentleman so employed, and so avowing r, "tr, bploYinent, was entitled.—(Hear, hear.) In his t tNel i ` l t n L eotnbe's) Opinion, such courtesy would be ex mtt England, as-well as Ireland; to gen ng • it aggeded in 'those soarduous only through the ieports could there. be any- - chance re ss of grievances.—(Hear, hear.) But he lip' say that the positi o n of Mr. Charles Ross was ,t,l e rent to th a t Of M r . B on d Hughes.--(Hear.) Al l ie iii 4 b duet had been very different.-4 Hear, hear.) ;;Yeti Ron. Baronet -(Sir J. Graham) said he em the Charles Ross; knowing at the time that he Iti gh 7;t y at to. the Morning - at onicle.. He left it to 1,47ke 'On- Baronet to reconcile it with his-own con. t e b e . Set . t o 7th t e hus employing a man whose services be rB, anti thOse'others differing so widely 4,," polities.-.--(Cheers.) •Of course with that 11' 1 v c , e or honour and that regard for morality which, c• ) t. r dis tinguished the public conduct of the Right l'lusa • •-iro n .et, before employing Mr. Charles Ross, he „,i f ro k i cie teSs written to the proprietors of the Morning (Cheer to ilavise ahem of his intention so to do._ „et oi.Aprud loud laughter.) But what was the con hie % I . 11, 6. • Ross ? Did •he obey the instructions Laila rm ~ug.that the Right +lon. Baronet (Sir James ( VIA r'erted that evening he had given to him, no 4' : th, e done so—did Mr. Charles Ross, he asked , qe4 lni tructions ?-(Hear, hear.) No he did not. ta n ttsk e d l, Mr. Ross, in his examination at the trial, Ao r t You you at the meetings you attended t to be. an accredited . agent and - Wet. o f . the •Ic s ar e Government ?" His. words, in an- Wke 4.‘„certainly' • not."— (Hear, hear, hear.). li e,g . t eq, with referenee to another occasion; avlse. 7 _ , "0:1 1 : Yes ft l gg°d-Place on the platform. ilis!atisvicer: I 013 : got a very good place on the scitffold, Obtain through the proprietor of the Dublin' the l 'se 11t t ' ' Why was this place given to hint . ? et4stne i nt roPrietor of that paper thought he was in th e tim e _ bast as himself. When he went out a se- Governinent reporter, he was empliayed in qTris e " . t of the Standard. He was asked whether he limit 41 %,4 llls that he was employed •by the til e /Ls reply was, " Certainly not." The fact tee d °I'L Persons In te secret were the Attorney- S'ivtak, ami d . 'll t h at t he Right lion. Baronet. Now - he • eon-, eh!, St,, ace d . kg re tom tL or ing to the definition laid down by the ustia:(l to 1 3 , 7 Merober for the City of London, and, Ij ni th.o.wdesaseen._ .Gentlemen opposite; Mr. Ross came . nalh„, ered ription of a spy.—(No, no, from the ell ebes.) The Right Hon. 13aronet had tt4 (fir%burhiiir ; trustwOrthy and honourable man. He to t % i o ,deaiitieter,l3)left it t o t h e people and to the country wi th e 'r}t was h onoura b le on the part of Mr. R oss a a (i rne h g th e fact etin gsAs a Governm en t agen t, witho u t I P°, th n ever s • With regard to the Morning Herald, Attl h e h __,alu a word against Mr. Jackson, any.. 'Lile s ' B ' sir. had impugned the conduct ef_Mr. Bond: ttslin4tae Gl 4 t the to eitson's conduct reflected credit upon. ea , of . his rna, Illation of his examination, he was so I Vag tk l• tilt unPloyers, that he exclaimed, "So help h e not a w t he that for the Crown sent for me, I nsed ar e that the notes which I had made were to It at'llee s th e / 0 ,.„.ed that, the roseeution."—(Hear, hear.) Now it () Herald s. „ gut . Baronet did apply te t the uu the Sta n dard for information, and ( what he (Mr. T. Duncornhe)'Wanted was, an account of 1 the sums paid to persons employed by the Morning Herald and the Standard newspapers. Ross, stated, • in- his examination, • that - he would not have i.t known. • for 50,0001. that he went to Ireland as a Government agent; he said he would only have gone as a newspaper reporter. On being asked:if he would have gone for 75,0001, he said, " Well, I think I would;" but he would not under 75,000/. haVe acknow. • ledged to the Irish people that he wits the - agent of . the Right Hon. Gentleman.- , -(Laughter.) . Did the Right Honr.Baronet allude to the. meeting. of 'his (Mr. Dun , combes),constituents which he-attended last-night? It ti a possihle that 'there might have been a Government reporter there—(Laughter)—but, at all events, whoever gave the Right Hon. Baronet his information of what , passed there, it was very,had. That meeting was called to take into Consideration the.best _measures for exores sing their opinions 'in favour of the motion which his Hon. Friend the Member, fel. Rochdale was ,abont . .t6 bring baire the House.. It - was true also that the Meet ing had expressed in strong . . terms' 'their unabated confidence in • the, humble individual who vas 'then ad dressing them.--(taitghter.) The meeting last night • had not the slightest reference to any-other objects con templated in his motion, . and he thought - that such an insinuationNas most uncaniid: The Right Hon.:Baronet had accused him (Mr. Duncombe) of acting is - , a public prosecator.. He should pursue the same . course whislOgcarways had done, and whether it were a. judge, „ap.litry.. ) or even the Right . Ron. Baronet hiinAlftjhek,bhAlil.yinsider it his. duty to bring any op- . _presSion they, cfeMmit before thellouse.so long as r 'lieslP4looll _ = ' - ' l- 'l/W2 1 111k13 - Llt t i iirehld.:say a few words with respect =to' , tXe crefii .- 61b1" 'fire Attorney-General for Ireland, -that tifeirreakCin for 'refusing to give the names 'of the witnesses was, -that dards had handed about Dublin denouncing Mr.. flugliesitu aspyanfcl , an informer; but . _the - House shbeld recollect than this had -not been done t .until,,.4:4r,lliAghes`had:been'accused; of having committed perjury-wsklinkhowingly he (Mr.:Bellew) would say,- because all that °centred, with respect to .Mr.gughes was solely owing to the Crown Solicitor's conduct. He would ask the. Right Hon. Gentleman, the Attorney 'General for Ireland, if he had received any explana tion ..;iupon this subject, as. a . sufficient time had now,ela,psed since the conclusion of ' the debate. He could only say that this was one of- the many - pro- ceedings during the trial which had created an impres sion on .the minds of the people of Ireland, that from be ginning to end. there had not been 'fair play in the late trials, and notwithstanding the opinions expressed on the, other side of the House, that impression would con tinue. -• . - • mission. As to the ten-gun brigs, he must say that he thought they were a class of vessels very much maligned. I , lsle had had several under his command, and he had 1 found them-very ,useful.. He - did not deny that 'many ten-On brigs had been lost ; but he was convinced that their IoSS was - attributable- to the deficiency of crews and the want of mente,atterui to their sails ; although there were cases in which theloss was clearly to be ascribed to their being struck by lightning., There was a great deal mere-saidthan there ought to be in. Order to-mal'e a: row about these vessels. Certainly they were not yes sels that he (Sir_ George Ceckburn)admired—they were not good saileri. However, they were getting rid of them, and adding a class,of others to the navy which he hoped would be faster, though he was pretty sure• they -would not prove safer vessels.—(flear, hear.) Capt. PECHELL explained. ' Sir ChARLES NAPIEIt said he thought it was a matter - of great regret that when millions were being voted away in that House there was always such a thin . attendance--there beiug sometimes, not more than forty .I.leriihers present. He considered this circumstance a serious reflection upon the, character of that• House— . He' further:thought it- extremely odd that the reporters, when these millions were being voted,. also declined attendance, or, what N:4:as • pretty nearly the. • same thing,: they ,shut' their books up immediately. — (Loud langhter.) However, he should do his duty, and leave the responsibility of this absence from the House to the Members guilty of it. He wished on the present occasion to say a few words on the subject of the vic tualling and the : paying of the Navy. First, to the pay it-lg.'''. hey paid a seamen for what was called the thir teen months in the year. Now, in his opinion, this was a great absurdity, and the practice should at once be abolished: A sailor did-not 'understand thirteen months in the year, and lie would be much more satisfied if the* Admiralty would changethe system, still giving, to him of course the two pounds, for that amount to him was a very great thing indeed. He would next go to the petty Officers—sa class of men most necessary to keep up the comfort, happiness, and• discipline of a ship, and there fore highly to be prized by any Government. If the petty officers had been properly treated in earlier _years —if they had been better' paid and more respected, the country would never. have heard of the mutiny . of 1798.• In the present day there was a good deal that might be done for • this most . useful class of men, and he was satisfied that even on the ground of economy the Government would lose nothing if they gave the second-class petty officers one-half more than the seamen, and the first-class petty officers double what the seamen 'received. , He should mention that the seamen themselves could be made much more satisfied if so much, were not drawn from them on the voyage for slops, in order that; when they arrived at home, they might have More to-draw. A remedy should be applied here. He came next to the subject of boys ; and he must say he could not agree in what had-fallen from the Gallant Admiral opposite • (Sir George Cock burn.)• Boys were fit for sea when 98 pounds weight. —(Laughter.) If they gotinto a good ship, with an active and conscientious officer,, their manners, morals, and education, were alike excellently attended to. At the proper time they were taught to reef and steer, and to - take - their part capitally in the whole work of the ship. They were made first-class boys at 17, or what was gene• rally termed " hobble-de-hoys," and then they came home Ward. When they got ashore, the crimps pounced upon • them, got them to bad houses, taught them to chew tobacco, to smoke, to drink, to do everything, in short, that was nasty and bad. This was the way to ruin the poor lads, and just after such pains and care had been, bestowed -on. them.. They were not old enough for the : merchant,„- ; service, and so they were left to : ramble about drenched with every vice that.' could degrade them. In his opiniori •GOverniment ought to take them on board the flag-ships, in preferenee to taking new hands. In this neglect of the boys 'he . feund one. of the main causes which made sailors so careless in their after lives. Next, he should allude to the pensioned seamen. Four teen years used to be the term in Which a sailor was entitled to a pension—now it was. twenty-one. The fourteen years ought, in his opinion, to have been kept to,, for twenty-one 'years was too long for a seaman to look forward to. Under present circumstances he would not give both pension and pay; but the pay increased by pension, which,,from time to time, might be increased ,also. For instance, the pay of a sailor was 18!.; but that after . 14 years he increased by pension to 25/. or so. In a little while : he would increase this hum, and keep mo derately 'increasing if, thus not only securing present good conduct, but inducing good men to remain in the service. Next he should refer to the masters. Upon this subject also he did not agree with the Gallant Ad miral opposite (Sir G. Cockburn).. Masters were not brought up now in the merchant service, but in our own. 'He thought they ought to hold. out an encouragement to their Lieutenants in the navy to qualify for masters, and that might be done by giving them betterpay. Mr. WILLIAMS complained that the items for which this large sum Was to , be expended were not placed clearly before the House. In the army esti 'mates all was clear arid intelligible, but such was'not the case in the navy, After some few•observations from Mr, Tuffnell, Mr. S." Herbert, Captain Dundas, and Captain Plumridge, the vote was.agreed to. • The next vote was 126;82a to defray the salaries of the officers Connected with the Admiralty, and the'ex pense of the Admiralty office. Mr: WlLtlAMS . suggested that it would be a great improvement' if the. clerks in these departments were required 'to work - mere hours a-day, and 'were better paid. It would .be - more satisfactory to the perions employed, and 'the public service would be better performed. ' :Captain ROITS Said that on a former evening it was stated that the Government could on an emergency have 200 merchant steamers, and thus have the entire com mand. of the narrow. seas.- But he would ask whether the Admiralty . .could procure 200 naval officers, who knew anything of steam-vessels, to command them ? He believed that at this moment one half 'of' her Majesty's steamers were commanded: by officers , who knew nothing whatever about steam-vessels .or their • Machinery,. and were so • completely dependent on the eneineers that they could not make any • evolution withoutfirst consulting him, so that they were the -servants of. the veisels, rather than the commanders. The navy generally was not in the state it ought to be. The French squadron on the coast of 'Syria went through evolutions that 'could net be executed by. our fleet. I3ut, if the Admiralty would persist in employing old officers, who had been a quarter of a century on the shelf, instead of active young officerS,' it was impeassiblethat their ships could be well commanded. It was owing to the great care the French' Government took to have young and active officers that their. ships were so well - managed. Bukkere, so great was the preference given to old officers, that a young . one was scarcely allowed to have anyopinion,at all. In other situations a man was allowed to arrive, • at some time or other, at' years Of discretion—(Laughter} - but , ' in the navy, 'he'was not considered worth anything till he could neitherhear, see, nor chew her Majesty's biscuit. "----(Great langhter.) He condemned the manner in which a preference was given at the Admiralty to ships of certain 'construction ; he once - commanded a 28-gun frigate for four years, and, when he reported to the Admiralty that she would make a very good merchant ship, but was a disgrace to a civilised . nation, as a ship of wsr, he was 'told that all the previous reports from captains of this class of vessels had been 'highly favourable; it was well known, in the service that if itcaptain did not report well of a ship belonging to a class in which the Admiralty took an interest, there was an end of his 'prospects of future employthent.—(Hear, hear from Sir C. Napier.) The same ships were re ported against by one other officer—Captain Dundas, .the son of the First Lord of the Admiralty at the time -and he was written to by Mr. Croker, both publicly and ' privately, deprecating the course he had taken. But, some time afterwards, when it, was found that the Ad miralty had ner longer any interest "in these veasels there. was not a dissentient voice in the profession respecting the bad qualities of these vessels. In the same manner they must be cautious how they received all these re- Ports about the Merit* of the Penelope, and other steamers, and of the vessels of Captain Symonds. They might believe as much of them as they liked ; and the less they believed of them the better.—(Hear, hear.) Every report from the Dockyards on vessels not built -by themselves was not to be depended on ; tho build of ships in the private yards •was much superior to that of the naval yards: But though the navy surveyor and navy builders hated each other like poison—(Laughter) —yet they all Combined in condemning any vessel built in the yards of Loud* tiverPool, and Isle of Wight; _though they were as superior to the ships in her Majesty's service, as Sir W. Symonds was to a working shipwright. He contended that year after year the Board of Admi _ratty was in the habit of humbugging the House of .Commons.--(Great laughter.). And the greatest use he -could -be in the House was,' when he saw one of these aneakingsjobs attempted, to lay it bare to them. He repeated his condemnation of the 'continual preference of old officers to young, ones,' and toncluded by' stating.. that when one of these valuable - old officers was sent to' sea,. after . being 25 years on shore, the only hope was that he .would get a, good young commander or first lieutenant to take care of him, that he would held his tongue .on ail occasions, and give good dinners to his lieutenants and midshipmen, whenever he invited them to his• table.—(Hear i hear; and -laughter.) Sir GEORGE COCIiBURN hoped that when the Hon. and Gallant Member quoted • anything he had said that he would quote him correctly. He had never stated that a young officer was not to have an opinion. What he. did say in, the debate the Hon. and Gallant 'Member had alluded:to was this, that having heard a certain opinion expressed by a young officer he hoped the. House would not refuse to listen to an old one. With regard to the charges made by the Gallant Member he - denied that they applied to the present Board of Ad • rniralty. He would defy any Board to take more pains than it had done to improve the state of the navy. Ho. defended - the surveyor of the navy (Captain - Symonds), stating his conviction that the service was much indebted to , him.—(Hetir, hear.) At the same time he did not think his ships were perfect, and the Ad miralty were making every exertion to procure improve- • ments on them.. They had selected the three most ta lented naval architects from the different yards, and. sent them to"Chathara to make a scientific report on the defects supposed to exist in these vessels. An elaborate, Report h4dbeen presented to the Admiralty, pointing out the detects, and stating the scientific reasons for. them. _These three naval architects were now, employed . , in constructing vesse l s accor di ng to t h e i r own plans, in order to remedy these defects, and, if possible, to try .if a perfect ship could not be. constructed. If the. Admi ralty had done so much in the short time it had been appointed, it could not, be open to the charge-of. neglect • ing the state of the navy. Improvements were constantly , - going on, and fifty years hence their ships might per haps,be a great deal better than they were at present.' As to the Frefieh squadron getting under weigh in such - superior'styWon the ersast of Siria,he had been assured by the captain of the Asia that when in three or four of these same French ships, they being all bow Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided— For the motion Againstit - 144 Majority against the motion —7l LOCAL . POOR-LAW ACTS. . Mr. D. M‘LEAN wished to know whether the Right Hon. Baronet the 'Home Secretary intended to refer locat Poor-law ACts to a Select Committee ? Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that such was not his ntention. PM cf . fr ! ..1 I. - E f 'ET N - lb6141)0w, -ew.,- - -miAsS: C. to thesame place, it-come orstohlew hard, and the Aga was the only ship that r as able to get` out.-(I-Feat:')was very easy to getu p in that House and make such charges and assertions as these ; to say that our ships were bad and our officers worse ; but he-,believed the navy was just as able as ever to maintain ita - :superierity over that of other nations. s -) Sir T. TROUBRIDGE' contended that so fir from the ,navy being deteriorated, it was then better than ever it . was ; there was less punishment, less deiertiOn, and the men, as a class ; were better educateds. There - was as 'good fishin the sea as ever came out'of Captain PECHELL concurred with The Hon. and Gallant Officer who last spoke. ,As to'the French squa dron on the Coast of Syria, the superiority, of which had been talked of, that very 'squadron' when recalled to. France, was dispersed by a gale off the island of Corsica, and before it made Toulon, exhibited suclist collection of "lame ducks" aS had • scarcely ever been 'Witnessed. He was gladto hear" the. Gallant Officer state his opinion iti.the independent manner he .had done. ' He believed the naval force of the country Was never in a 'better ConditiOn generally, though_ there' might be details in which. he differed with the Gallant Adrairal opposite. He thought that they ought to look . weli.to the manner in which they built their ships. No-vessel performed better or greater service than the Waterwitch, • because she_ had been built of good materials.' -He was- very well satisfied-with the mode in which they Were-now'build ing their vessels, and he thoeght the Hon: 'and Gallant Member for Westminster must -have alluded to the ships which . had . been built 'some years ago, when he complained of the manner in which 'their vessels were built. He .coin-' planned that Mr. Brunei had been placed over the head of Mr. Smith, the inventorof the ,Archinsedean screw,` in directing" the application of _that excellent in-, vendors to the Rattler steamsvessel. The, speed of the vessel,had lessened from ten to eight-- knot§ an- honr • under the - superintendence of Mr. Brunel... He consi- • dered it a great wrong . that these naval.officers.who held appointments under the - Government should have their half•pay stopped from them. lie had no, objection that. the lion. and Gallant' Admiral apposite (Sir G. Cock burn) should receive .his Why not take the opinion *of the Attornei-General and•Solicitor-General as to their right to receive it? Was it not hard that the- - Lieutenant-Governor . of Greenwich.,Hospital, Sir Gordon,- who . had-. lost. a • limb. in. ,fighting for his , country 'should have his half-pay , stopped because' he held' 'that situation'? --(Hear,. bear.) Another great hardship. was,,, that the amount of the income-tax was stopped from those 'naval officers who - were serving abroad. reduction. Was alio made from the engineers who were serving in tropical climates, though one would thinje it s bught to be bad enough to be shut .up. in the furnace of a steam-,vessel under the tropics. He pointed out' those disadVantages, to the Right Hon. Gentleinan the Chancellor - of the &chequer on a former occasion. - • They -.now looked • to -the Hon. and Gallant offieers who served amongst them for relief from those evils. There ought to be no party. feeling -on a question of this kind.—(Hear; hear.) The' present Government _boasted they, were a strong GoVernment. He hoped they would, thereferes - do away' with - those evils of which the navy had to Complains-s(Hear, hear.) . Mr. A. CHAPMAN said he Was'sorry to hear from the Gallant Officer, the Member for Westminster, that the French showed themselves more expert than the English, navy in, getting under weigh, for he was proud of the British navy, and alwnys,wished to see it in a most efficient state.—(Hear ' hear.) • Captain ROUS explained. He had the - greatest con fidence in the navy and the young 'officers, 'but if men • were allowed to 'remain on shore for twenty-five years, he did not think they could be' of much use when they went to fight.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) If, .hOweier, a war should unfortunately occur between this country and the French, be would stake his existence upon the result.—(ll ear, hear.) After a few.words from Sir. G. COCKBURN, Sir C.'NAPIER said that he congratulated the House and' the country on the agreement which for once seemed to exist between naval officers on both sides of the House.—(Hear, hear.) He apprehended that this wotild turn out to be of the greatest benefit to the navy of the country. He recollected' the Noble Lord the Member for Staffordshire(Lord Ingestrie), whom he was sorry not to see in his place, spoke of the 'unfairness of naval officers combining against the' Governenent.—(A laugh.) But his (Sir C. Napier s) opinion was, that it was an ad vantage to the country at large to see naval officers combining to reform all Boards of Admiralty—no mat ter whether Whig or Tory, it was equally indifferent to him. They would see that the discussion which had taken place that night would be folloived by the most treinendous effect on this Admiralty.—(Laughter.) It was a fact that naval officers were so bowed down that they dare not speak their minds. They were afraid to say, " we want this or that," '" this ship is bad," or " so-, and-so is wrong," because they knew it would not be liked at head-quarters. The Gallant Admiral opposite 'knew this'very wellsbift human nature was 'such that he could not help it.—(Laughter.) And. if he wanted to sup port that assertion' he need only refer to what the Gallant Officer said with regard to the Penelope. He stated that she was a gallant vessel in paddles and box, that .she - was perfect and dry, and never shipped a drop of water. Why it waanotorionstO everybody but the Captain that, so far from never shipping watee, and ho was never above water--(Laughter)—that she was always under water, and only came up, like aporpoise once an hour, to breathe.—(Much laughter.) That waif:known to every officer on board. They wrote letters to him privately . and they all expressed their opinions that she was only fit to be drowned. It was an absolute fact. He now Caine to the Albion. The Albion, of 3;000 tons, cost 90;000/. ; the 'Rodney, of 2,598 tons, cost 75,000/. ; the Powerful, and ships of that class, of 2,484 tons,_cost 68,000 L Now the House would see what was gained in the Albion: It wa s i n t en ded to carry eight inch guns, 64 pounders.. . Why had not the Albion got the eight-inch guna?— (Hear, hear.) If the Albion could not carry - more guna than the other ships, what was the use of building a vessel of thatdescription? The and of the same Weight, Albion mounted only s i x more guns-t h an th e P owe rf u l, while- she' cost 22, 0001 more ,She carried her guns s i x . feet four. A smaller ship of.' the same weight of, Metal carried her guns seven feet four. Rodney, :which mounted two - more guns than the Albion, carried her guns' - sesens feet' eight and seven feet 'ten out of- the water. He . would 'ask, what was the' . use of building ships 'of that description? - There were six now on the stocks. He hoped the Gallant Admiral would take them to pieces. It' was perfectly absurd: to persevere in the present Ceurse. 'Some remarks had fallen from the Gallant Officer opposite about , the F renc h' s hi ps. He begged to st ate th a t-he himself saw the F rench squa d ron u nder weigh one or twice. • The weat h er was fine.—(Hear, hear.) The squadron got und er we i g h rem a r k a bly well. Afterstanding out to sea f or t wo or t h ree d ays , the vessels came in and took up their positions: The cables and anchors were . run out, and the boats hoisted in in a superior manner ; and on one occasion he saw the Adrisiral's topsails reefed in five minntes : —(llear, hear.) Now the House was - well aware of" his views on - this 'subject.- When officers arrived at a certain period of life they became compara tiyely idle, and were c on t en t e d t o lie quietly at anchor instead of exercising the s hip s as they ought to do, If they appointed young office rs to command their ships , and young -Admirals to cohamandtheir fleets, he had not the slightest doubt that they would be superior to the . French. They had had a three-decker for three years under an Admiral 75years of age. 'He asked the House to judge whether it .was p oss ible tnbring up young' offi cers properly under such a s y s tem ? It must be re membered that half the young officers of the navy w ere trained son board the ships at Malta , at Sheer ness, . and s at Plymouth.(Hearr hear.) I t would not be surprising if, under the existing system, the French, the American; or any - other navy , would p rove superior to our-own'. He attributed the evi l tothe con stitution of the -Admiralty.—(Hear, hear.) lie- blamed -the Right Hon.- Baronet for- not acceding to the pro allowance for posal to vote 15,000/, a year, as a retiring - the old' officers in the service; sending thelmashore happy and contented,' 'instead of suffering them to prevent younger men from fulfilling their arduous duties.— (Cheers.). If they wanted to have a fleet which Would be fit to conipete with an enemy; they must appoint as officers young men, of - 40 - years of ag e, and if fileq;did that, they might defy the wholeworld.—(Hear, hear.) Before he consented to this vote, he would -be glad - to 'knoW from the Gallant • Officer opposite whether, alter two years' experience, he approVed of the present constitution oftlie Admiralty ?—(Hear, hear;sincl laughter.) He would be glad to hear whether or not lie had changed the opinioi( which he expressed' when the subject was brought forward by 'the Right ! Hon. Baronet, thirteen years age, who impressed" on the House -the necessity of consolidating. the different departments, and said that they must either have all.the officers at the Admiralty, or- else the Board of Adrisi ralty must be removed to Someriet House ?—(Hear, hear.) At present, the Admiralty performed its duties partly in Whitehall, 'and partly at Somerset • House, and the whole of the work fell upon fire or six persons, who had no respensibility at ail:—(Hear:) If the same system was adopted' in this department which already existed in - the Ordnance, hebelieved the most beneficial results would . flow from" , the .change.. Without 'an alteration in this respect, it was impossible to hope•Toi, improvement in the navy. Sir GEORGE COCICBURN said he should not give any answer. to the question of the, Gallant Officer as to the :,constitution of' the Admiralty; except to say that so long as he could do his. duty he would remain there, and when he could not he would retire.—(Hear, hear.) The Gallant Officer, who_ dealt very much - inaasertions, .had made some statements.in reference to the Penelope. On that subject he begged to read ;an extract from a fetter from Sir Charles .Owen. It was as . follows: " Duringthe time that the Penelope was under my com mand from . the . 6th to the llth . instaet, there were generally very heavy.:seas. and • very- strong gales. I directed her to steer right- to windward, hgainst head-• wind and tide; Which she appeared . te do without pitch-• • .ing in any degree or straini n g in tiny Way, and she was evidently perfectly dry."—(llear, from the Ministerial . • benches.) • . • Sir C. NAPIER said he defied the Admiral, unless lie were on board-the vessel himself at the time, to form an accurate judgment in•reference to the Penelope s 7 s (llear flour:} die would be glad to know what was the opinion &Captain Austin; the officer in command. They had heard nothing on that'subjett.—(Hear, hear.) • • The vote was then agreed to. • The next -vote proposed was' for a. sum not exceeding 2,980/. to defray the expenses of the office for the registry. :of merchant seamen. • Captain- PECH ELL wished to kilts* if the merehant 'seamen were now fully and properly:registered. If a vessel sailed for Isendonsand after Wards put into a dis tant port, were there any means of ascertaining 'the; persons on board?:. The Secretary of State for--the Home Department had given notice of s s ßill to ;liana the Ait fer -the registry of merchant 'seamen, and therefore he • d that the present plan did imaginenot work well., Be ' fore he sat dowiThe Would- beg to state that he thought the Gallant Admiral oughtstcohave sansivered the gees= tion of the Gallant Commodore as to what was Captain !:4ustin'a opinion of the•FeWelope. , :lie .thonbt the Ad rrnhititY fiaddone perfectly right-to institute the experi- Matt, but the reselts,of it ought to be. stated , ir Mr. SYDNEY HERBERT admitted that the system for the registry of merchant seamen did not work well, but as hi:Right Hon, Friend had given notice of a . Bill to amend:tho measure,-ke giought it wouldlie better to defer the discussicin,until tl Bill Sh,ould be before -the House. , - Dr. BOWRING - asked what. 'vas. the number of sea men registered according to. the last accounts ? - _ ' , '- - Mr. SYDNKY fIiBBBERT-About IZ - 000. -- 7 --- z ' - - 'Capt. PECHELL_Wished for m o re information as •to the working of the systeni. 'lt had en introduCed with a view to 'do - away with-impressment, but the Shipowners ''-liad complained -much Of the ;working of the system. . Mr. SYDNEY HERBERT was aware of those corn .. . , l!Plaints- r and admitted; that the system bad • floe- worked satisfactOrily, but he thcinght the: present 'Pas not the fittest. opportunity for, diacussing the question. ~ . -' The vote wasLthEM : agreed. to. , ~ ~ - ' '-• . - The next-yote,proposed o WeS Oat a ' - sum not exceed-I ing 38,076/. should be appropriated - ter:defraying the ex -1 penes of the -seientific.departnimktof the navy. • !' Captain . PECHE,l44conarlainod of the miserable ac- :coramoclatian afforded to the ' hydrOgraphers' depart 4 nient in the AdMiralty. It was a disgrace to the voun4 try: They Were in'arrears inthe. construction of their maps'and 'charts from surveys; because they had not tic.; ;tuall”pacar sufficient to get•them up in. The whole of the present building ought - to be 'appropriated to thelyf drographical department, and the other departments 'should be rentoired.to Somerset House, and he . believed that that alteration Would:have ,been made long 'since had it not been for the wives of the residents in the ,T4e •ladies did not like to reinovelrem the prel sent budding. -. . _ - , . • ; ' ; 'Dr. BOWRING observed an item of - 'l,OOOl. a year. for scientific experlinents..•• No money would- :be . more , cheerfullyioted, butheAlionght the Rouse ought ituni- • Ethyl() be fernished_With Some, account' of those 'exPert- mentS. He Understood - that 'it 'portion of this money hail been devoted to experiments, the object Of, which was tO, endeavour to discover some substitute for steam poWe . -That was a most, praiseworthy object, and he wished t know if such were the'case? ' Mr. SYDNEY 'HERBERT - Said that some g,alvan experiments had been tried, but he Was riot aware of a , other eXperinienta having for their object the. discove - of a substitute,for steam power. The - gtenter part of t e slim, however, hadlieen expended in giving rewards 0" seivatific• men for Important mVentions. .. •, _ - Mr.. WILLIAMS asked hoW the great falling o ff n ly the sale ofthe - Nautical Almanac could be accounted for ?' Mr. SYDNEy. HERBERT -L.-Instead of a falling Off there has - been an increase. ' - . I Mr. WILLIAMS-4 beg your pardon—l see I aln mistaken.—( A laugh.)- . - Mr. A. CHAPMAN expressed the:gild-Ando felt Ily . the merchant service to the Adiniralti foithenianner n • which theylittbliilied the'niost valuable charts at a ve y, cheap. rate.—The Vote was `then agreed to. - - A• vete of -127,277/..was then proposed to defray, t e e Tnses• of our navall-establishments in the dockyardi. • (dart ,PLUMRIDGE complained that the.supply of water to some of the dockYarda Was deficient. 1 Mr. -'SYDNEY HERBERT:.*Said., that tanks . were always kept in the dockyardS,-andthat they could halve' more water if it *ere:required. - ••• • - • • • Mr TUFNELL wished to ;dra*, the attention of t e ' GovernMent to the ease:of a. most . meritorious set of offieers; he meant the inspectors- -of the dockyards. They- had been originally ,appointed . in 1835, and til thcrughl their dUties -were .mucli..xlifir: ,arduous, 'th those of the doCkmen their salaries were o ily 104 per annum, while, the • salaries -of the dockmen were 1501. When : :they were" first ' established they were 'only on duty . five day, ..iri: :the week.. They Were. now on duty -six days a week, and. they had net.the advantage enjoyed by'day-pay officers, of having extra-pay for extra work. Another point to which ihe wished to advert was whether the men' employed in the dockyards ought' to have the. enjoyment of the elective franchise or not.' ' Ile thought they • ought, for he had never seen a. more independent net of men. than the-ope ratives employed in the dockyard:, . • " i Mr. BARNARD thought tho aubjeet of Whether the GoVerninent dockyards ought tv be rated to the poOr rates in the parishes in which they were situated ought . to be considered by the Admiralty. -He 'thought it an injustice on the other inhabitants of the towns in which the dockyards were situated that those dockyards were not rated the same -as other property. - . Mr. S. HERBERT could inform the Hon. Member for Devonport (Mr. Tufnell) that the question - of then superanuation Of persons - engaged in the dockyards was at present under the consideration of the Admiralty. With respect to the obServations of the Hon. Member for Greenwich (Mr. Barnard) he had to state that !all houses in the dockyards which were beneficially occu pied were rated to the relief of the poor, but those hoeses which were occupied as offices were not . rated. This question had often.been mooted in the Courts of Law, and the decisions had always been in favour of the pre sent systeni. •• • • ' i • e 'Dr.'I3OWRING wished to know if any improv,cment had been made in the mode, of keeping store accounts? The - store accounts generally were very unsatisfactory. The balance of stores.had always - been very inaccurately known and very inaccurately reported. Mr. S. HERBERT said that very great pains had been taken to introduce an improved system of keeping', the accounts of public'stores.—The vote was agreed to.. * A vote of 22,42 fi1. - was next proposed, to ,defray. the expenses of het. Majesty's naval establishments abroad: 'Dr. BOWRING asked if this vote was Meant to apply Ito contemplated or existing establishments ? . • Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT replied, to existing . . ~. estab lishments.—Agreed to. . - The next vote proposed was, that.a sum, not execed ing 649,3241., he granted for the payment of labourers and artificers in the . naval yards. • • Dr. BOWRING • thought the nature of .the vote should be more distinctly specified. The House should be informed .hoW many men were employed, and what the rate diirageS was. , Mr. SIDNEY 'HERBERT said the' average rate of ' wages Was 45.-6 d. per day. , . ~ Sir JAMES i)UKE .said he understood that a very -pernicious practice prevailed in the Royal Hospital at Greenwich, viz.--Ahat of transmitting those unfortunate patients • who became lunatics to private asylums in London,instead of being sent to the extensive and well eondiicted - establishment at Maslen • - . Sir GEORGE COCKBURN said the matter had been very recently under the consideration of the . Admiralty. It sometimes happened that inmates of the Royal Hos pital, Greenwich, were afflicted with a temporary insanity which did not last longer than a month. Until the lunacy became confirmed, the establishment at Hasler had an objection to receive them - . • • , After a few words from Captain Gordon, Mr. Williams and Mr. S. Herbert, the vote was agreed to. A sum of 298,3661: was • voted for the purpose of de fraying the expenses 'of the works in the naval dock yards: ' • •' i ' . ' - • • 20,1651. was voted for medical - services. ' - - - On the motion that the sum: of 61,6301. be granted for miscellaneous _services, • • Captain PECHELL complained that the alloWance to captains was very disproportionate. • • - * . Mr. S. HERBERT said that the subject hid been for , a considerable time under the consideration of the Go vernment, and he had no doubt that .an arrangement would be made to the satisfaction of the captains. The next vote propose- d 'was for the sum of 742,2961.' to. defray the charge of the half43ay to the officers of the Royal Navy and Royal Marines. • The 'vote was -agreed to. • The next vote proposed was for the sum of 495,626/. to defray the charge of pensions and allowances. me. - WlLLlAMS•considered that this vote ought to, be postponed until the Government had given an expla .nation to the House the continued increase in the de mand for this branch of the public service. ' • ' • - • Mr. S. HERBERT justified the vote, and stated that there had been no increase in this part of the public . service froinlast year. The reaso n why the amount ap reared so much larger was that many items were - in-' eluded in this vote that came under a different head last year. . ' '' :, , . -, ~ , 40r• it short conversation between ,Mr. S. HERBERT .and Mr.--MonE O'FiiiiieLt, • • Sir C. - NAPIER said there ought to be a more intelli gible priii6ple of granting pensions to wounded officers. .Some years ago an officer received a pension for a wound 'that vvi4 equal to theloss ofa•limb. • Her Majesty reserved to herself the right of &liking pensions fur services. If he received a' vvoilnd.inone leg that made 'it two inches shorterthan the other, he should have a pension;, but if . .... . . he Was shaiii:Voth kis, io as to bring him ''upon` an 'even ikeo--(Greatlatighter)----he should have no pensien at 2.11.----(Lingliter:) - 11e did • think -that in•future, if an officer received a.wound,.he sheuld,be examined by me- . 1 , - dicnlmen, lteir:report L to-fix• what pension he ought to receive . Sir ,GEORGE COCKBURN said, that if the wound was nbt equal to - the loss of a limb, he received a gra tuity, if equal to the losS ,of 6' limb be received a pension.—The vote was then agreed to. ' 162,959/. was voted for defraying the, expenses of civil pensions and allowances. ' On the vote of 169,890/. being proposed to defray the expenses 'or tran'spsrting stores, . .. • - . Mr. MORE O'FIARALL referee' to ',several items in theamountin, which there Was. an increase whilst- in others there was a decrease. It appeared to him, that :there ought ..to.. be either an . increase or decrease throughout.. .. ..... • , After a shortdisoussion, the vote was agreed to. • 96,327/. was votedfor the conveyance of convicts to "Now' South Wales and Tan Diernen's 'Land. On the motion for granting 432,541/. for the expenses of thepiteket-serricc, " _, • .. ' • Dr. BOWIIING said, that as he Understood that the I packets were' now engaged in far less extensive. service -than they. forceerly were, ,he would be glad to know if • there was any..ohjection to slew how the money was E xp.. '-plied. He also begged- to ask whether there was any probability of a communication being established; by means of Steamers, with certain portions of the. Ottoman ' empire ? -- ' '• '' - : - • , •. ' . The CHANCELLOR ,of the EXCHEQUER had no,ohjecti,op,te layOu the table the information which the ,Hon. Gent - len:lan desired. Ile could not held Mit anYhope. of the estahlishmerif•c4 the communication in queStion. Inconsequence of the arrangeinent with' the French Go.! vernment, letters from Turkey could be reoeivedthrongh France at- a cheaper Tate, and in a shorter time than .they could. be received by packet: He therefore thought he should not beJUStified in demanding the Post-office r to War ( this- additional expense. ' . Mr. F. T. BARING complained that the times of the starting of.-the AdMiralty packets ' wag never ,knowid; -and.suggestel that a time table should be regularly pub lished. . , - - :' Mr, MORE O'FERRAU , wished, that the contract packet service should be taken under th... control of the Lords of the.Acinnialty. • . • - - •The - vote was ' then. agreed to, and the HoUse -resumed:--The' Report, was , ordered.tobe.brought up_on . mai pla iiiiimi J. : ,-, ~t .iiisa 41.04 bILS PALCIA - W": _•' It: ' PETITIONS. On the motion- for going 'into Committee of Supply, • Mr.: S. CRAWFORD rose to move an amendment on the subject ofthe °petitions presented to that House, complaining 'that the House of. Commons did not repre sent the people. The, substance of those petitions was contained in a petition which was, presented, a short time ago, from the town of Birmingham. The allega tions in that . petition mere—firstly, that' that House did not represent the people' ; .secondly, that it did -not poSseSs• the confidence of the people ; thirdly, that a large number 'of Mem bers had notoriously obtained their seats -by the most profligate bribery and- corruption ; -fourthly, that the proceedings of that House were obviously-influenced by selfish, personal, and party motions, rather than by the interests of the people. These. were. the allegations contained in that petition which had been laid on the table of the. House. He was much surprised,,in refer ring to the Sournals, 'to find that this important .flocu ment bad not been published by the Committee on Peti tions. _ There had been. 31 petitions presented during the present session, all complaining of grievances. and he had only found that one of those petitions had been pub -lished. His proposition was for a Select Committee to inquire into the subject of those petitioni, and to make a report thereon. If that House did represent the people, why did they not boldly and at once declare that the allegations contained in thOie petitions were unfounded? He was not now going to advocate the extension of the franchise, although he thought the franchise ought to be extended. He should merely confine himself on the present occasion to the subject- of the petition to which he had adverted. So long as the impression ex isted in the minds of the people that . - they-were not re presented in that House, so long would there be resist ance to the law ; and, under - such circumstances, the only means by which the Government in this country could be carried- on would be that of an. 'extensive military force.—(Hear.) He was surprised to hear the Hon. Member for Finsbury (Mr. T. Duncombe) express his objection to this motion, be cause he himself • had taken-a precisely similar course. He (Mr. S: Crawford) could assure the House that it was not his intention to adopt any factious proceeding, nor should he pursue any course which he thought not' calculated - to 'be - attended with success. He should, however, on all occasions when the arniy estimates were proposed, move that the military force of this country be reduced, and he should persist in such motions until the grievances of the people were redressed. The Hon. 'Member conclnded moving -",That the several peti tions which have been received and laid on the table of this House since the commencement of the session, com plaining that this House is not-a true representation of the. people, be referred to a Select Committee to inquire into the said allegation ; and that the further considera tion of the. Estimates be postponed till such Committee shall report thereon." • Mr. BLLWITT seconded 'the motion. Every day's 'experience convinced him that that Rollie merely legis lated for themselves, and this was more particularly shown in the late discussions on the Horse Racing Penalties Bill, which had been introduced for the pur pose of screening, on the plea of ignorance .of the law, certain 'high personages who had violated the law. • He would likelo know how a plea of ignorance of the law would avail a poor wretch - on his trial in' a. criminal .court. Would that plea relieve him from the verdict of the jury or diminish his punishment? The born-laws, too, were impo'sed merely to pat money in the pockets of the landlords by depriving the'poor of bread. .The House then divided, when there appeared. For.the motion. l5 Against it • 9l - Majority —76 SUPPLY:- • • The HonSe then - resolved "itself into a Committee of Supply. , On the vote that 594,370/ be granted for the vic tualling of seamen• and the marine forces. Dr. BOWRING thou ght;that when the House was called upon to vote away more than half a. million Of money, they should haVe some information in detail to justify . them in giving theirasSent to it. .The House ought 'to know how so large a sum was applied. Captain PECHELI4 - oppospd the employment of the naval force..in ~the collection, of poor -rates. .Several' ships of. war .had. been employed, at Castlehar, on the coast of • Galway, in conveying .land-lubbers of police, from place to place: The • marine force . had •like wise • been employed in the same disgraceful manner. Lord Lucan declared, that he would encourage. opposition .to . the collection of anew poor-rate, whilst the old . one re mained unpaid, and in this most unpopular and deSpotic service were her. Majesty's 'ships, of war 'engaged. • The Hon. and Gallant Member proceeded to 'censure the Admiralty for not bringing the principle of theArehime dian screw into more general operation. The Rattler; • which' was announced by the Right Hon. Gentleman 'opposite, to have been ready along time ago was not yet • completed, but was employed. in running. up and down the river, testing the efficacy of Mr. Brunel's experi, meas. The Archimedian screw had been employed in the United States with great success, and one of the vessels which accompanied the Royal Yacht- from Treport, was found to .• be only surpassed by her Majesty's own vessel. 'He congratulated the Board of Ad miralty on the appointment'. ••of Mr. • Hall, most officer, to the post of Coinmander in the navy; and to a situation in her 'Majesty's yacht. They were now going to raise 2,000 boys for the navy, but, after three years, their . term ceased, and he was .glad to see 'that many of them and their friends, were most anxious that - they should. be re-entered. . Each boy , that was taken was obliged to be 981bs. in weight, .and most of those . who were reared, in. the. .Gilbert. unions . were round tb be qualified .in that imp; .-but, .unfortunately, the great part of those .from the . other poor-law unions, were. found beneath: that weight.. What he was most anxious for was-that those young men; after their term of service had expired, should 'not be thrown upon the streets Without the- slightest - resource, and be conse quently'compelled, -in the greater number of • cases, to . adopt a course - of dishonesty and crime. He did hope that the Admiralty would, look. closely to the 10-gun brigs, for;' he:considered them to be. perfectly valuelss. It was true the Admiralty., in disposing,nf them, endea voured 'lO:inak:e the most. of thetn—.(A laugh)—for, - altliough, , they :demanded :1000!. for each, they 'could' .notiigpt;meie..than 500/. for any ono of theM. S:IF:TAMES - COCKBURN in reply to the. question .which had : been put to him respecting- the emploYment oft , the bliicers bflier. - Majesty's 'navy in collecting the =poor-rates,' ' said that if any officer went collect Arta he cer4inlY misundprstood his instructions::: The - only' object ; sTias - ..that where ver along, the. coast disturb ance or:e:vit,einent prevailed lth e ..ilp e t . was, stationed, and it4resen:Ce,in thp neigbliourliood where those rates ~were- b eing:tc,ollecied,Juight baVe led to the surmise. However, tf,ha _could, find out an officer who did so, an investigation ,would at. once •be entered into upon • the subject. 'With regard to steam-,boata generally, the .present administration of the Admiralty were doing all they could to improve them,' and they were -endeavour ing tb . findout what construction might prove to 'be the • best. He believed that after all that liad•been said they could turn out a better set of. steam-boats than cOhldte turned out on the other side. With respect to the dis • charging of boys when the ships were paid off, he could only say, that the service required that a certain amount of men mus.Q.)e kept up. But he. would be very glad to retain the boys, if his Right Hon. Friend the. Chan cellor of the Exchequer would allow it.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) . He thought that it was very useful that men who had entered into : - her Majesty's service for a certain term should go round to • the merchant service, and come back again when wanted into thenitivy. That course of circulation•prOvided the . merchant service. with good Ten, whom the Geyernment would have hack again whenever they were wanted. However, tied as the Admiralty was, it could not do otherwise in respect to the boys. ,As to the captains' `Clerks; he had - never heard uny. .complaints: from:them; and he was sure alit it there were any grounds of dom plaint they would have been preferred before the Com- 1844. rr -ARMY ESTIMATES. 'Sir ThriAItI2INGE stated,. in answer to. Captain Pechell,.thatileAhtes.Rde4, to. move the Army Estimates , . therfirs444o_g_ ;. , pi. Monday .: i4iiiRARVCOMMIT'TEE. - On'ille'"iiiatibn of Mr. GikEEN..F,. the Library Com mittteVi6s appointed., . . The'..other orders of the beer' disposed of, the . llouse atijourxed, at Ont o'Okfek; till Monday. ' ' • ASSIZE INTELLIGENCE. • • R OME COCIIIT.--7liertfuid, Marel T. CROWN CounT.---,The Rey. ,Jatnei Brogden. ittrren dered,to.answer, an lialietment,charging him with:felo iaionsly discharging a loaded gun. ht:L.Cornelins-,Wintle, With intent to disfigure -another: count tlae:pri7 soner's intent was ffifilp and disabld e , prosecutor,-or to do him soniegrieV'ous bodily hatch fl I • Mr, Ryland - and 3lr:' IlOil4Al , eanduCtect the: prosecu tion. The 'Prisoner aces .defended: 'by Mr. -Montagu C'hatril s,' Air.-Lyilekker t and the Hon. Aobt.'GrimSterf. Mr. IlvLANßadslcesspd the jury, and said the Prisoner ,;was charged _Aviit wie - df•th6•Mbat'Setions offences; and under - eircurnstarreesiViciett dentanded o and- r ite, : was sure 'would no doubt:receive, their most serious consideration. 'The prisoner was charged with the olfenee of shooting at .the prosecutor, and the real question was, with Whatin tent that act was committed. The nominal - prosecutor' was a constable of the Hefts constabulary; but the real prosecutor was Captain itebertson, the head of the 'police force, who. acted under the Orders. of the magistrates. The prisoner, was 'it' clergyman - of the Church of Eng lanctund - he was bound to'fairthat.itp to that time he was universally esteemed and, respected, and he (the Leuned Counsel) could assnrethem that he appeared on bun'the present occasion to prosecute under feeling 4 of very considerable, 'pain . atuVi•eltietance. -. The Learned .Connsel then prodeetredto state the circamstances,under which thecharge.vvas' made against the prisoner, and •which*ill 1- 4 . e. better understood by, the evidence. At the same; time he ObSfrred, that he felt itto be his duty , to state that there was not the Slightest evidence of any ill feeling , being entertained I by, the ' prjsoner, against the prosecutor, but rather the contrary ; and, .he added that after the occurrence it was only due to the prisoner to say, that he had dons _all in his power to 'alleviate the paniamlittjury . sustained. by the prosecutor. Tli:e; real Act appeared to be'that the prisoner,' feeling' some alarm, and imagining that thieves Were k upon thelpre-; . mises, had- discharged • the gun at a person whom he- Supposed intended to injure him either in, his person or property. The -Learned Connsel then' proceeded to make some further remarks to the jury, and observed that if any difficulty should arise .as to .the law, that Would be,no doubt,.. reserved Lordship_ for the consideration of . the 4udges.—The following evidence was then , . ' • •' - - Cornelius Wintle' examined"by Mr. Ronwill.---lanr One of the Herts constabulary, and on the 31st of De- Comber last I 'was on'duty at Childwick-green, :near St. Albares - ,.about one o'clock in, the morning. At that time I was : near the prisoner'shense, and I - heard two sepa rate reports of fire;arms,_ almost together, , and this in duced me to -turn • round and run back to;; the house.. :When I.got to a.poplar tree:by the . side of the road, about :ten .or a dozen yards, from .Mr. BrOgclen's 'yard gate, I received the .contents 'of st gun - in ray head,. eyes,. and different other -parts of my" body. , I. dropped 'immediately- in the road, and _ lay senseless for, some time. It was a moonlight night. In . a short - time I put my , hand to my head and found it covered with blood, - and I Called- out that _1 was, shot: I then heard Mr.; Brogdenssay - -- 7 ".0h, my God there is some one.. shot." Shortly. after this I saw George, Mr. • Brogden's butler, 'and several females, and the prisoner said to me Why did you not answer when 'I called'out to you ?' I toltl him I did not hear hint.. * The prisoner then asked me why I did not show my light as I had promised to do,:and I said that I had promised to show my light if I was on his premises at any time When he opened the' window, but at this time I was on the road. I also 'told him that it was such a light night that 'ho could see a man on the high road a quarter of a mile off. ,•It was both moonlight and star light. I should say that the - place where I'was standing at the time I was shot, could be easily seen from the 'house. Mr. Brogden, the prisoner, immediately sent for a doctor, and rendered. me every assistance. . Cross-examined by Mr. CHAMBERS—The prisoner has lived in thishonse abdut four months, and 'when he first came there was some conversation about the dan gerous pOSItiOn of the house, and it was then arranged that I should show .my light whenever I was upon ,his premises. Mr._ CneatnEas—Was anything said about the hOuse being lonely ? - Mr. Baron ALDERSON.-110W- can that be material ? If : he believed the constable was a thief he had no right to shoot him. Cross-examination continued—The road in question leads ter -two other houses besides Mr. Brogtien's, and from thence to the fields. The shots to have struck 'me must have passed over a wall, but not near the place where there is a good deal of ivy. I had a lighted lantern with me. Sarah Woodbone; examined .by Mr. _RYLAND—On Saturday, the 30th of December, I was in Mr. l3rogden's house, in attendance - upon Mrs. Brogden; who !was, within three days of her confinement. After .1 had turned to bed, I was disturbed in the night by a noise as if something was knocking at the yard gate, and the dogs upon the premises barked very much. T g#:4 up and looked - out of my wifidew 'kilo the lane at the ride of the heuie. Brogden's* room was next to mine. I could not see anything; becauSe it was such a dark night. Soon afterwards I heard the noise again, !and I went to - the window and rapped at it, tiiiiking that if it was the'policeman he Would show his E i ght, but I did not see anything, and I then went to !Mr. .13rogden's room, and he told me to open the staircase w indow looking into. the yard, but Alr. Brogden 0/en tunny did so himself. From that window you 'cart see the poplar tree: The prisbrier looked out of the wiz*low and said, " Who is there ? who is there l" : There no answer, and the prisoner then said, "Yon had stand off," and immediately fired his gun out of , window. lie brought a' double barrelled gun fro bedroom, and he discharged both barrels ou the window. The prisoner went away telling to watch if I could see any body. I looked out the window but could not see any thing. Icc not observe the poplar . tree. The prisoner was long' enough 'to re-load the gun, and when , he back he again called out twice, •and then .firedi direction, of the cottage as it appeared to me, and he had fired, I, heard a man groan, and Mr. Bro immediately exclaimed, " Oh! there is somebody s and he appeared very much surprised and agitated, house was immediately alarmed, and the prisoner all the servants, and also Mrs. Brogden, went oat, the prisoner was assisted into the hoase. Mr. Bro was tter the his The and and 'Alen ilie did asked' the policeman why he did n o t answer whe:, called out to him, and the policeman replied that lb think he, would have shot off the premises. • • George Rutherford Was then called, in order tit: prisoner's counsel might have an opportunity of el examining him. In answerto questions from Mr. CI hers,- he said the night was so dark that he Could no the policeman or tell who he was until he got cies to him andfound him lying upon the ground. Isaac Rye, a superintendent of police, deposed th t he was sent for to Mr. Brogden's house after the oecurr nee, and saw the prisoner who called him to him and aske him to go up stairs with him. .He then showed him the par sonage window, and told him thathe heard some pe sons about his premises, and he called out to them and fi din the direction of the, poplar tree, and not hearing, an one answer he reloaded his gun, and then returned t the WindoW, and Called out again, three times "no is there?" Ile then said he thought he heard footAteps, and , he fired in the direction of the, cottage and the poplar tree, and, soon afterwards he heard thems of some person who was *minded; 31r. Brogden then brought him' the gun, which he now producel I was very dark at the time witness went, and he had no ob served that the moon gave any light in the early p rt of the evening; if there had been light sufficient to observe objects it would be Poisible to see the poplar tree from the' window in question. • Mr. Robert Clarke, a surgeon at St. Alban's, de sed that he examined the person o f th e p roseca t or , an d fund that he was wounded on th e h ea d, both thighs an al) . - i domen. The wounds w e re no t in themselves dangefrous, but might have proved so in their Tesults. , I Cross-examined—Alr..Brogden csnstantly.exprfased the greatest anxiety about the prosecutor.. Mr. RYLAND said this was the case for the proSeention. Mr. BARON 4LDERSON ' expressed his opinion, 1 that 'there was. no case to go before thejtiry. , kappearethat the.prisoner had fired a gun out of a window in the park, and there, was not tho slightest proof that he saw an ane,'inuchless that he intended to shoot any bite. ' If Mr.'llrogden had intended to shoot the person he fired at; he, would have said, :"I have hit him," and not 'have said, ",Good God,,there is a man shot." • The jury considered for a short time, when the fore man said thy were unanimously of opinion':tha Mr. Brag:den did not intend to shoot-at:any-one whenhefired the gun. . ; : ' : , . , i M. Baron At.ngnsoN said he quite concurred hi the 'opinion of the jury, and thou addressing M. ' Brogden said I' hope, Mr. BrOgden,ydu wiltbe moue- careful in futtire; it was a very ineautiousaet, tat I entirely acquit ,yon!of an intention,t9 injure any person." wasßev. Gentleman then came upeti the:Bench, and was Warmly greeted by his'friends, amongst whom were the 'Earl of Verulam, Viscount Grisoston; M.P., Lord John Manners, M.P., the Bishop of Hereford; the Dean of,4'ly, :Archdeacon Thorpe, Rev. Dr. WOrdsWorth, of Harrow, Rev. Dr. Nicholson, and T. H. Gape, Esq., all of whom were in 'atteridanee- to bear testimony' to the general humanitly and kindness of 'Mr. Brogden. - . A vordict of Not Guilty was then recorded, and Mr. Brogden, was ordered to be immediately set at liberty. t the •oss ram- t see up NORTHERN ClRCUlT. 7 —Carliale, Feb. 29. • (Before Mr. Justice COLTMAN.) W a lter. Graham, the yOnhger, aged 23, and :robe Hornsby, aged2o,•Were'indicted I'4 stealing a quantity of yarn, the property of B. Proctor, Walter Graham being at the time servant to the said W.-B. Proctor. • •. Gialiam, who was well and somewhat- stylishly dressed, but whoSe appearance betokened early dissipation, bad been forenian . to Mr. Proctor, .who is a sail-cloth manufacturer in this town, and the other prisoner carried on; in a almal way, a similar business - fei that of Mr. Pioctor.• • ilisEbirnstnp having summed : up, the Jury retired for a short time; and returned into Court.with a, verdict of .Guilty Against both.--To be transported for seven years. • : . (Beforallr.. Baron itoul: ) 'T Isaac Angus was indicted for cutting 'and wounding Wm. Sterliugi,with - intent to do him some grievous bodily harm. The prosecutor was a police-officer, and, seeing the pri-: soner quarrelling with' . another'man, interfered for the pur pose of putting au end'to• the affray- Though - an officer, he had'uot at the time th r eAress, of an ,oftic.er upon him, and the prisoner resenting his interference, a struggle took place, in thb course of which both fell' several times. The prisoner then endeavoured to make his escape, - and in' doing so threw something at the prosecutor; what it was did not precisely appear which cut hini severely on the head. _ rum ed. n i p, i hux = found, the pri soner guilfy - of a common assault. - - • .. . To be imprisoned tbr eight calendar months. William - Smart and Charles Gorley :were indicted for at tempting tedisdharge.loaded fire-arms at one William Hall, with intent ..to.,preVent. the lawftil apprehension of Charles Shipley. • The prisoners and Shipley:were shooting in a rabbit warren irrthe occupation. of the prosecutor, who, with two ersons besides hivas:elf , „ horseback, and three on foot; went intar.**4:of them .. .l:Nl:the approach of the pursuers atitruftheitrisetters the - Other to load his gun. This was done; and Some threatening bravado, took place on the part of the prisoners, with the view, apparently, of deterring the prosecutor and his companions from following them. The party were, however, pressed on pretty closely; and the pro secutor was about seizing Shipley, when the prisoner Gorley, pointed his_gun towards hiM.- The gun went off, having re ceived at the Moment A blow front a stick, doing, however, no damage to any one. Whether prisoner had actually pulled the trigger-did not-exaetl:r ippear.. The poachers were then overpowered and - treated with considerable violence. • Mr, addressed the jury for the defence, contend .ing that the gun went off:: by accident, in consequence of the , b.low of the stick; . and thaattepriener had no intention of firinci , at the proseentor.. ot t inky. POLICE - INTELLIGENCE. '• (YESTERDAY.) . CLERKENWELL, • John Dobey Pollard, a solicitor, residing at BowlingGrc-en. lane, King-street, Borough, and Marsh-gate, Lambeth was placed in the felons' (Vick, charged with stabbing Mr. worthy, a reporter,,re.siding in Camden Town. The•prosecutor deposed that on the previous evening he met the prisoner in a public-house, where they fell into con versation, and had some refreshments together. They left the house, and in Holboin the prisoner, who was intoxicated, behaved in so strange a manlier that a large mob gathered round him. Witness, conceiving -he was a respectable man, induced .hiur, to accompany witness into Warwick -court to avoid the 'crowd, _The prisoner then struck him, and witness having been -informed. that Ur.- Pollard was known at the Lion public 'house, ~,N e key-steps, Holborn, accompanied him thither. ; prisoner - Sat :dOwn on a stool, within • a ,few __rept 'h .;efi the' bar,. which witness Was standing at, .witii: is:tack against it, when the pH soner_sliddenly made ;thrust of an open pocket knife at the lower part ,of his abdomen. Witness bent his body so as to avoid his thrust, but' the blade 'pierced through all his dress, and inflicted a slight,puncture on the flesh. Witness had given the, 441Sehgr nO . prOVocation whatever, was per fectly sober., .anct hattney,e* Seen him before that day. if he had not stooped.he-believed ! the: stab would have been of a very serious`nature. 'rile , prisoner threatened to " pepper" witness at ihe,.,stiOn749l*- - • • .Mr. Joseph ,Treariie,a r repert,er, residing in North-street, Pentonvilie,, continua the above testimony., _The' knife was . produced; it • had a large dagger-pointed Wide; and) as a:yery rohnidahle weapon: • • The prosecutor proposed4Pat the matter might be suffered to proceed no further; if the-prisoner would place a few pounds in the poor-box.. Mr. COMBE declined to listen th any proposal of the kind, and the prisoner Was. continifted for trial to the Old Bailey. THE WILLS' FORGERIES. IfIANSION-BOUSE. (dontinnecl from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Goat-aim' (the 'chief clerk to the Lord Mayor) began, as scion. as it was intimated ,to the prisoners that they were to be again brought up, in consequence.of the application of,tho Learned Coil el forßarber, on the 23d instant, to read over the .dpbotitionsin the several cases. - Fletcher paid the 113 , 1)4 intense attention to the entire of the ';eildeliEe; but left theiwhole.:management of his case to Mr. Humphries, his solicitor. Barber occasionally wrote as Mr. Goodman pnkeeded, and communicated with Mr. Parry, taFho was understood tq be-in attendance as the representative - diMr. Chambers, the barrister employed in the early stages of -the proceedingsrd,i that foisoner. .The case Wiii,4,"lltaryHunt was alleged to have been personated for the purposes of fraud, was the first upon which the depositions :were sworn to and signed. The depOsitlons in the case in which Eliza Burchard was alleged to have been personated . by Mrs. Dorey, at that time GeOrgiana- Richards, were the next read over, sworn to and signed by the several witnesses, and in neither case was any comment-made by the prisoners or those who attended f or them: „ _ _ In the case in which John Stewart was alleged to have been personated, when . Mr. Goodman arrived at the evidence of Mr. Pott, of Doctors' Commons, Mr. Pott 'expressed A wish that the following words should be added to the evidence he had given upon his examination relative to the , iirisOner Griffin :—" Griffin said, in his state ment,That the affidavit had not been read over to him, or if it had been read over to' him he did not understand the nature of it.; Noiv I declare that it was read over to him, twice at least,,and the draft of the affidavit is now in the hands of Mr. Freslifield; with the word " approved" upon it, and signal "T. Griffin."' The witness stated that the addi tion of theie Words would prevent the continuance of a mis apprehension es to the evidence he had given. He had, in fact, received sereral communications upon the subject. Mr. Humphries : —l think it necessary (seeing, as I do, in what character Griffin is to be a party) that the state ment_now made by Mr: Pott' Should be added to lais deposi tion. It refers to a statement made by Griffin to Mr. Weir, and deposed to by Mr. Weir on a' former day. The Loup MAYOR directed that the addition made by Mr. Pott should be added to the deposition of that gentleman, and expressed a hope that publicity should be given to it. Mr. Humphries asked the witness whether the draft of the affidavit' had been read over to Griffin? Mr. Pott—l have no doubt at all that the draft was read over to him by my clerk';' but I can only swear 'as to the original having been read over to him. . . Whep. Mr. Goodman read the deposition in the case in 'whielr 0.0 'property 'of Anne Slack was alleged to have been drawn-out,of tile,h4ndS of the Coinmissioners for the Reduc tion of the National Debt,' by means of a fabricated will, signed Eninia Mr.,,49lphries,#dlle,Observed that the evidence of Miss Slack was stated'in the' depositions to have been taken - in the presence of the prisoners.. Now such was not the case. 'The evidence of Miss Slack was taken wheri in fact nobody was in custody but Mr. Barber. lie noticed the fact, not to put it forward as an objection, but to show the propriety of adopting the course recommended by the Judges to have the words taken down at the moment from. the mouths of wit nessess in every Cas&." Mr., Goodman wished that it Dever became necessary to depart from such a Ouse, in sorno cases the system was impractieabld; Mr. Humphries—The departure is an evil hi the opinion of the first authorities. The depositions of all the witnesses examined, with the exception of Cuckson and his daughter, in the case 4esig nated the case of John Stewart, having been read, sworn 0, and signed, Mr. — Weir (of Messrs. Freshfield's house) stated that these two,witnesseg would, no doubt, reach town in the course of the day, and would attend upon his Lordship at the moment of their arrival, in order-to - be formally sworn to their state. ments. The Limn' MAYOR—I shall most willingly attend at the Giltspur-street Compter. The follbwing is.an account of the sums of money stated to have been obtained by means of the wills alleged to have been forged upon the evidence which has already appeared in del ail before the public - : LN THIS CASE OF ANNE SLACK-3,500/. Consols; 1,1511. s. 10d. dividend. IN TILE. CASE OF ELIZA. BURCHARD-3001.c.,0113018; 1621. dividend-700/. Three-and-a-Half Reduced ; 4461. ss. dividend. • IN THE CASE OF JOHN STEWART-511. per annum Long Annuities;_ 7394. Ns: dividend. IN THE CASE OF MARY HUNT-1,210 Consols ; 4351. 12s. dividend; • It has been stated in some of the newspapers that a clerk in the Bank of England had been discovered to have been an accomplice in these transactions, and that he had made com munications which completely involved Barber in the guilt of forging the wills. The report, as far as regards evidence affecting Barber, is incorrect. There has been no statement made, we given to understand, by any person inthe establishment relative to the participation of Barber beyond that with which the public has been made acquainted through the medium of the press, at the several examinations which have"taken place. It is true, however that a clerk in the Bank has acknowledged th a t h e had supplied the prisoner Fletcher with information from the Bank books as to the amounts, and other particulars, in every one of the cases on which the prisoners are to. be committed. It is understood that the indiVidual wg allude to gave the information to Fletcher corruptly; but it is "understood that he was not at all cognizant of the object of Fletcher, which was not, as fie con jectured, to find out. the existing representatives of deceased parties, but to create representatives by false wills and false personations. Some statements have been also made relative to Mrs. Dorey,.which it is necessary to notice. Paragraphs have appeared, representing that she made a confession of all the circumstances in. the transactions in which she has been charged with haYing been concerned, several days ago. She has made d'statement„which she declares to be correct, but it certainly was not made Until Thursday, the day before the examination; included in the above account. The particu lars of her statement are kept strictly private. One circum stance,howeyer,'Ve believe; has appeared in the midst of her representations. in the-easels(' Eliza Burchard, whom she represented, p whe,„4lile .went to perform he r part in that piece; sliaiwidupon entering the room that everything had bean put in a state of complete preparation by liarber and Fletcher.: Wove not aware, what degree of credit is at tached, to. the. communications which she has ma d e , b u t it i s , . , very wrently 'reported that - she had previously expressed great' anxiety b make statements, and that they were found to have been concocted in such a manner as showed that her only object.was to serve herself. It will be reniefnbered that Mr. Freshfield stated on a former occasion; that *here. a party impugned the transfer by the Commissioner for the Reduction of the National Debt of stock to another' party, a duty was imposed by Act of Parliament on the party defrauded to follow the person who vvTongfullyiobtalnad. the money as well as the money itself, and that Baxter, the. solicitor of Miss Slack, was pre 'aring' a bill in Chancery fox' that purpose. We understand that a bill was yesterday accordingly filed in the Court of clCkneery by, Miss,, Slack, claiming the two sums of 1,000/. and WU - secured to Fletcher as the deposit • notes of the London and Westiniusterßank,„ referred to in the depOeitions of the - 10th and 13th April, 1843, and which sums have ' been placed as part, of the proceeds of the f o r g e r i es w ith winch Fletcher and the Other parties stand charged. THE UNITED SERVICE MAGAZINE POR MARCH.— Among the many interesting papers to be found in the pre sent Number of the United Service Magazine, the most at tractive is undoubtedly Captain Postans' " Reminiscences of •Billichi 'and •Brahoi Campaigns in Upper Sindh and Cutchi, during 183.9' and 1840.:' Allis', narrative, written from per sonal observation, by . a gentleman lately holding both mili tary and offiCial'ap s pointments 'in •the country he describes, contains much interesting infoimation respecting that sin gular people, the Beloochees and. their Chiefs, not hitherto made public; in a graphic notice of Many stirring adventures that preceded the subjection of their celebrated leader Bijar Khan. 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