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SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS. Flow TER EVENING PAPERS OP tzerreDAY. GLOBE.—The Church—with reference to its means of effecting the purposes for which it exists as a national Establishment ; the adaptation of its machinery to those purposes ; and whether the existing mode of employing' its temporalities be best calculated to promote the re ligious instruction of the population—were last night the subjects of debate in both Houses of Parliament. The expediency of repealing the Act of Parliament, which was passed eight years ago, for uniting the sees of St. Asaph and Bangor on the demise of either of the Prelates who now preside over these sees, was brought before the House of Lords by Lord Powis, who had in troduced a Bill for that purpose ; the second reading of which his Lordship moved in a speech replete with re ferences to the antiquity of Bishops and the attach ment of the Welsh people to everything ancient ; but lamentably deficient in that most essential element in de bate, an appeal to experience. The superior advan tages of the system sought to be maintained, as contrasted with the benefits to the people, regarded as a whole, which would be effected by the change he un dertook to resist, was the point which Lord Powis, and those who supported his motion, were bound to demon strate. In this, it must be admitted, there was a miserable deficiency of argument and fact, both in the speech of the Noble Lord, and of the spiritual Peers, who lent him very active aid in advocating the adoption of the motion he submitted to the House. So long since as March, 1835, a Commission, of which the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Bishop of London, and other . prelates, formed a part, was issued by her Majesty for inquiring into and revising the state of the revenues and patronage of the Church; the extent of the dioceses; and all those circumstances in relation to the Church which affected the condition of the Church, with a view to increase its efficiency as a national institution. Among the various changes re commended in the report of this Commission, was the union of the sees of St. Asaph and Bangor ; and also those of Gloucester and Bristol. The object to be effected by these unions was the establishment of two new bishoprics in England ; and thus to provide more efficient episcopal superintendence for districts where, in consequences of the introduction of manufac tures, the population had outgrown the limits of ex isting ecclesiastical instruction and episcopal supervi sion, and demanded new arrangements for supplying an increase of both. The bishopric of Ripon has been formed out of the resources obtained by uniting the sees of Gloucester and Bristol. Another new bishop ric, of which Manchester is to be at the head and centre, remains to be formed. For this the requisite amount of revenue will be principally derived from the union of the sees of St. Asaph and Bangor, - which was to take place on the demise of one or other of the Right lier. Prelates who preside over those dio ceses. The Bill, which was subsequently passed for effecting these objects, was founded on the report of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners. It was discussed in the presence of the Bishops in the House of Lords, who either expressed their assent, or offered no objection to the proposed arrangements. Tacit acquiescence with, or openly expressed approval of the measure, were not only shown by the temporal Peers, but also by the members of the Episcopal Bench. The Duke of Wellington moved that the Bill be read a second time that day six months. The Church is, however, too strong in the House of Lords for the hero of a hundred fights, backed though he be by the power and influence of Government. The Archbishop of Canterbury and the Bishop of London—neither of whomcan be supposed to be indifferent to the interest of th eEstablishment in which they occupy stations so elevated and responsible—supported the Noble Duke in his opposition ; but their assistance was ineffectual. The numbers on the division were— For the Bill to preserve the two sees 49 Against it Major:ty Thus the Government was defeated in its stronghold. That the Commons will be actuated by a similar spirit is not likely. The BM, when it reaches the Home a Commons—if it ever get there—will be most certainly rejected. Thus t 4 :e old game, at the playing of which the Tories so much delighted while the Whig's were in office, is"revived. The Bishop of St. .Asaph showed hi m self an adept in the use of martial phraseology and allu sions—a worthy member a* " the Church militant." STANDARD —Mr. Ward last night entertained the Hous:e of Commons with about the tenth, and question less the stupidest, rehearsal of his appropriation speech. The nuisance of such persons as Mr. Ward in the world is a grievous one, but it mast, like other nuisances, be patiently submitted to. Every society, every club, every fainily, almost every individual, has the afflic tion of a bore ; and why should the House of Commons want Mr. Ward? While he lasts in Par liament, the Irish Church temporalities must le annu ally served up; and we must, therefore, resign ourselves to the affliction. There are in Ireland, as we believe, about two millions of Protestants, of whom more than tme-half are members of the United Church of England and Ireland. These more than one million of Episcopalians have secured to them by law, end guaranteed by an inter national treaty, a property equal to about that of two English noblemen, say the Duke of Bedford and the olarquis of Westminster, if the Irish Church property is quite equal to the revenues of these two p_ ern, which we doubt. The property thus belonging to the Episcopalian Protestants of Ireland, instead of being applied to personal objects, is, under terms of the law; distributed among some 2,000 gen flamer., dispersed over the country—generally men highcsf education and of the purest morals, whose duty it is to prettyli to such as will hear them those Gospel truths which five-sixths of the people of the whole United Kingdom hold to be necessary to Man's everlasting happiness. This duty, it is con res;cd, the gentlemen in question, with a few rare exceptions, discharge with fidelity and zeal. The possession of the property to which we refer by the Irish Protestant Episcopalians, and the sacred use to which it is applied, constitute the grievance with which Mr. Ward and his like have been wearying the public ear for twenty-five years, and fur this grievance they propose spoiliation as a remedy; and this remedy is proper enough, for rubbery and theft are in fact the only remedies for the possession by others of property which one covets. There is, as our readers have learned from ten or eleven wearisome repe titions of it., but little argument in Mr. Ward's annual speech, and that little is curiously unhappy. The ex- Mexicaa attache holds that the Church Establishment in Ireland is offensive to Roman Catholics, because most of the former clergy, and even some of our own day, indulge in the habits of laymen, and have disregarded or disregard their spiritual functions. But every man of observation must see that this conduct imputed to the clergy—how unsatis factory soever it may be to zealous Protestants—can constitute to Roman Catholics no grievance whatever. Whet does it concern them whether Dives de Lacy, who keeps forty hunters, &c., in his stable, writes Baronet or Archdeacon after his name, wears a blue coat or a black - one ? In fact, the rich and worldly cler gymen ' Whom Mr. Ward cites—and with more truth of words than honesty of purpose cites—as scandals to the Church, were, by his own confession, ex ceedingly_ liberal persons, highly popular with the priests and Roman Catholics of their neighbourhood. Mr. Ward must confeis; inereoVer; that the age of the Church'sluke warraness itralWqrlillineis was never disturbed by the com plaint 4 orlleinan Catholics: The life of an Irish clergy man, whichnooffic,e' would now insure, was as insurable fifty years ago As, ,that of .-any other man ; and it is very_ certain that' the clergymen, the murder of so many of whoth has frightened the insurance offices, were not the keepers of hunters, or the amassers of wealth, but the poor, humble, pains -taking, laborious ministers of the Gospel. 110 W - will Mr. Ward reconcile this indisputable fact with hiS pretence, that it is the ease and luxury of the Irish clergy which renders their Church it grievance to Roman Catholics? No, it is not for having slept on his post before, but for unseasonably awakening now, that the robber would knock the watchman on the head. Mr. Ward's attack, whether he understands it as such or not, is but part of the same system under which so many poor and zealous ministers have been murdered; a system directed against the doctrine, not against the property of the Church ; and among the communica tions which Mr. Ward says load his desk and supply his instructions, doubtless there are many communi cations from those who have specially instructed the assassins of Mr. Whitty, Mr. Dawson, and a multitude of other victims. This is the key to the whole s)f the outcry against Church property, which, whatever its amount, cannot be in any way more injurious than lay property, but which, from the hands in which it is placed, and the way in which it is distributed, confers social benefits, conferred by no other description of pro petty. It is the Protestant religion, and the Protestant religion only: that is attacked through the Established Church; and thou g h we agree with Mr. Ross that the Protestant religion would survive the spoliation of its property, we do not see that its influence would be much improved by reducing its ministers to beggary, and, perhaps, drivi ng t h em to a compet i t i on o f f rau d s with the 'ltomish priesthood. A man survives a kick ing, butt he loses influence, and too often loses self `operation. respeet, by the D ----- LAMPETER.--Suicrim of A SOLDIER.— L on Irh.u—rsl.ayglraesatt, -- , '- sensation prevailed in this little t o wn owing to the rumour spread abroad that a soldier h a d shot himself. It seems that a privateo the 76th Regi ment, a detachment of which is stationed at the Town hall, fitted up as a barracks, had broken from his quar ters the previous night, in order that he might v • girl whom he wanted to marry. For this offence he was a confined the next day in a room adjoiningtl tof Was that the soldiers; used as a guard-room ; but about 12 A.X., under . extreme excitement of feeling, he shot himself with his biece, which he had demanded to clean as usual. Ills rains; were blown about in every direction, and the breast presented a most frightful appearance. An in quest was held on the same day, by Mr. Thomas, the Coroner, when a verdict of temporary derangement was brought in by the jury. The body was interred the fol lowing day; and the poor girl to whom the unfortunate man was engaged followed him at a respectful distance ilo his grave, apparently much shocked by this untoward liow to early affections. The principal evidence went to show that he committed the act under greatly excited fe e logs, arising from the idea he should be tried by a court. martial. lie was buried without m:litary honours. --Grist 'd illercuty. A Goo D NEIGIIBOURTIOOD wrrrr A GOOD STOCK.— j ttia.s been enticed to us that in one part of the parish of j Br Oadelist, 4.4 t four adjoining farms belonging to the woithyrßaroitef ir Thomas Aclawl, there ire now re `siding four teilants farmers, three of whom have been blessed.witb. two wives, r „„ vc: ,ind having progen s, and the l other three—in all nine 1 , \ l_ . __; _i t a-5 41 .4: . offifey y, c p_ear y all of whom are living, el ildren!—Exeter Post. 1,- - - , ..,Titeßev. George Mon • rung-ton, . - • e CUM ViXammar-seboot, M B. head master . I V Ahier k'\Witteswell, Leicestershire, on Monday elected flex ±•,,-Ta es I ) ,ovielt, 53 years r • ire, in the room of tl:e late tren It-+t'L e litthertiashers' ,L.incumbent of that parish. Pa- Company of Londo n . I -.....7.: . . „ LAW INTELLIGENCE. COURT OF CHANCERY, June 12. IN RE DYCE SOMBRE. Mr. BETHELL applied to his Lordship, requesting that those medical gentlemen who had been examined at the Commission should see Mr. Dyce Sombre. Sir T. WILDE and Mr. WAKEFIELD opposed this ap plication, contending that Mr. Dyco Sombre ought not to be seen by any medical gentleman, unless such as he approved of, or those his Lordship might think proper to appoint. The LORD CHANCELLOR said he thought it desirable that some of the medical gentlemen previously examined should see Mr. Dyce Sombre, but not those to whom he might object ; in addition to whom he would direct some other medical gentlemen to have an interview, and would himself see Mr. Dyce Sombre. COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH, June 12. (Sittings in Banco.) . THE QUEEN V. THE COMMISSIONERS OE STOMPS.-MAN, DANUEL Mr. KELLY applied for a rule nisi for a mandamus calling upon the Commissioners of Stamps to pay back the sum of 1,2001. which they had received as legacy duty from the executors of a Mr. Strachey. It ap peared that Mr. Strachey had by his will left the whole of his property to his executors, who, being strangers in blood, had to pay 1,2001. as legacy duty to the Commis sioners of Stamps, being at the rate of ten per cent. The heir at law, Mrs. Taverner, afterwards brought an action of ejectment against the executors, and recovered a verdict, thus setting aside Mr. Strachey's will. The probate bad subsequently been revoked in the ecclesias tical court, and Mrs. Taverner had taken possession of the property by agreement with the executors, who had subsequently applied for the return of the 1,2001., or for an allowance of it on account with Mrs. Taverner. The Commissioners had refused so to do, on the ground that the executors had derived some advantage from the ar rangement with Mrs. Taverner, but they offered to allow a smaller sum. The application was made under the provisions of the Stamp Act. Lord DENMAN—You may take your rule. BUSINESS OF THE COURT. Lord DENMAN—I may as well state that we have sent ail announcement to the Gazette, that this Court will sit from Monday, the 24th of June, to the Thursday fol lowing inclusive. This I hope will produce no incon venience. We shall take the Great Western case first, if it is ready; we shall then take the Crown paper, then a selection of cases from the special paper, and then proceed to the new trial paper. TUE QUEEN v. BAIINANDGREGORY. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 12. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. DISSENTERS' CHAPELS BILL. Mr. VlVlAN__Fesented petitions against this Bill. Lord C. MANNERS presented similar petitions from Leicestershire. Mr. EVANS also_ presented similar petitions. Mr. Sergeant MURPHY presented petitions in favour of the Bill from Limerick. Lord INGESTRE presented petitions against the Bill from Staffordshire. Mr. SCHOLEFIELD presented a petition from Birmingham against the Bank Charter Bill. Mr. MACAULAY presented a petition from the sawyers of Edinburgh, praying for a tax on machinery. Lord C. MANNER'S presented petitions from Leicestershire, in favour of protection to agriculture. Lord INGESTRE presented similar petitions from Staffordshire. Sir J. WALSH presented petitions against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill. Mr. T. EGERTON presented similar petitions from Royton. Lord ASHLEY presented petitions from Belfast against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill. Mr. GODSON postponed the Appeal in Cri minal Cases Bill for a fortnight. DETACHED PARTS OF COUNTIES BILL. Mr. SCOTT moved that the House should resolve itself into a Committee on the Detached Parts of Counties Bill. Mr. BARNEBY moved that the Bill should be committed that six months. After a few words from Mr. SCOTT and Mr. M. SUTTON, the amendment was withdrawn, and the Bill was ordered to be sent to a Select Committee up stairs. ALIENS BILL. On the motion of Mr. II TT, the above Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on the 26th instant. SMOKE PROHIBITION BILL. _ _ _ _ _ . ____ On the motion of Mr. MACKINNON, the House went into Committee on this Bill pro forma, when it was ordered to be re-committed on the 26th inst. COUNTY CORONERS' BILL. The report on the County Coroners' Bill was brought up and received. INCENDIARY FIRES IN SUFFOLK. On the motion for reading the order of the day for the adjourned debate on the Established Church of Ireland being put, Mr. MILNER GIBSON said he wished to put a question to the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State for the Home Department in reference to a subject of considerable importance in that part of the country with which he was connected—the county of Suffolk. He alluded to the alarming spread of in cendiary fires in Suffolk, Norfolk, and Essex. He had received many communications on the subject, and if he were to attempt to enumerate the different fires which had taken place in those counties since Mi chaelmas, the sum total would astonish the Members of that House. The subject was creating great anxiety, and he might almost say dismay in those counties. He was himself a magistrate of Suffolk, and had many opportunities of forming some estimate of the character of the labouring classes in that county; and it was his firm belief, that generally the labourers of that county were a well disposed and in- Austrious class, and he believed they would shrink with horror from such a crime as that of incendiarism; and he believed that the occupying tenants and the landowners generally were -actuated by feelings of kindness towards the labouring classes, and he could enumerate man y cas es in which individuals had taken steps to ameliorate their condition by granting them allotments. Notwithstanding this, they had the alarming fact before them that in cendiarism to a large extent existed. Having stated the grounds of the question, what he wanted to know from the Right Honourable Gentleman was, whether the subject of incendiarism in those counties had occupied the full and serious attention of her Majesty's Government. Sir J. GRAHAM said, that with regard to the statement with which the Hon. Gentleman prefaced his question, he was happy to say from the inquiries he made into the subject, that he concurred in the praise the Honourable Gentleman had bestowed on the gentry, tenants, and labourers of the county of which the Hon. Gentleman was a magistrate. He was also prepared to admit that incendiarism pre vailed to a deplorable extent throughout a portion of the county of Suffolk and the adjacent parts of Essex, and throughout the county of Norfolk. He had already answered the queE•tion put to him by the Hon. Gentleman, by stating that this pai n f u l su bj ec t had occupied the serious attention of her Ma jesty's Government. It had been his duty to confer with the lord-lieutenants and magistrates of those counties, and every effort had been made by her Ma jesty's Government, as he had stated on a former oc casion, to detect the perpetrators of this dreadful crime. Many fires might easily be the work of one incendiary.---(Hear, hear.) The character which the lion. Gentleman had so justly given of the labour ing classes of that district, precluded the supposition that any considerable portion of the peasantry had been concerned in these fires. He thought they were the work of very few individuals, who were probably actuated by personal motives. He assured the Hon. Gentleman that if the guilty parties were detected, the law should be put into execution with the least possible delay. Mr. M. GIBSON wished to ask the Right Hon. Gentleman whether, in the course of his inquiries on the subject, he had been led to the conclusion that the reckless spirit which had induced men to set fire to premises might be induced by a pres sure of distress over which individuals had no control; and whether the Government were prepared to take into their consideration the condition, generally, of the agricultural poor, with a view of ascertaining whether there might not be a something at the root of society, an under cur rent, as it were, which was producing this reckless ness and insensibility to the consequences of crime. Sir J. GRAHAM said his inquiries had led him to the conclusion that the causes were in no degree of that nature.—(Hear, hear.) He believed that the great body of the peasantry were not implicated. Lord J. RUSSELL inquired whether any persons had been tried for the offence ? . _ This was a rule calling upon the Duke of Brunswick to show cause why the trial of the defendant, which at pre sent stood fixed for Friday next, should not be postponed until the sitting after Hilary term, 1845. The prosecution is in the form of a criminal information, for a libel imputing to the Duke of Brunswick that he was the person who mur dered a woman a few years ago in a house a short way over Waterloo-bridge. The rule was obtained yesterday in the Bail Court, and cause was now shown against it by Mr. Sergeant Talfourd and Mr. Wordsworth. It appeared that the grounds of the application were, that the defendant was at present a prisoner in Newgate ; that he was in such a state of ill health as to require the attend ance of several medical gentlemen, whose names were set out, and who had made a report to the Secretary of State, upon the subject; that in such circumstances he was un able to give instructions to his counsel for the conduct of the case, or to arrange the evidence of such of the witnesses as were accessible to him at present ; and that there were other witnesses who could give material evidence upon the de fence whose residences the defendant could not find out in his present situation, but which he would be able to disco ver as soon as he should be at liberty; and that it was also necessary for the purpose of his defence to inspect several do cuments which were at his private residence, but which were not accessible to him at present. In answer to these grounds, the Learned Sergeant and Learned Counsel urged that the information might have been tried a long time ago, if it had not been that it was made a special jury case by the &fen• dant himself; that no step had been taken to strike the spe cial jury even yet; that none of the medical gentlemen men tioned in the affidavit of Mr. Gregory had made an affidavit ; and that if the trial should be put off, it Ought only to be for a week, and upon the condition that when the record went down for trial, it should be tried by a common jury, if, in consequence of the ladies of the defendant, it could not be tried by a special one. - Mr. 'PLATT appeared Nupport of the rule, which he thought that the feelings of common humanity ought to have prevented the prosecutor from opposing. The Learned Counsel went over the several grounds upon which the rule nisi was granted, and contended that, as the imprison ment of Mr. Gregory would not be at an end before the 26th of November next, the trial ought at any rate to be adjourned until the sittings after Michaelmas Term in the present year. Lord DLN)t.tx thought such to be the most reasonable course that could be adopted, and the trial was accordingly put off until the sittings after Michaelmas next. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. (YESTERDAY.). MANSION-HOUSE. A most outrageous imposter, who said that his nam, was James Edward Smith, was brought before the Lord Mayor, charged with having " bilked " the landlord of the Monument Tavern. The prisoner, it was stated, walked into the tavern, ate a beef steak, drank six bottles of soda water, and then had some brandy and water, and was about to walk off without settling the bill, but was delivered into the hands of a policeman. The defendant—My Lord, I complain to you that these men have acted illegally in dewing me upon such a charge. It is a mere debt, and lam sure your Lord ship will treat it as such, and I have my remedy at law for this false imprisonment. The policeman, whu took the prisoner to the station house, said he kicked and struck several of them dan gerously. The defendant—Every one of them has violated the law. The money is recoverable by civil process. It is through the medium of the profession, and not through the ragamuffin police, that the debt is to be got. The Loan MAYOR—You are are not only responsible for the imposition upon the landlord, but for the violent attack you have made upon the police ; and I sentence you to imprisonment for a month. The defendant—l appeal against th a t sen t ence . It is a most infernal and diabolical system of injustice to im prison a man for a debt regularly contraegtid as `a debt. I protest against it. The LoitD litmort (to the officers)—Let him be removed. It was with difficulty the ruffian was taken from the bar; and the officers were obliged to chain his bands behind his back before they could convey him to the Compter. Two men, named Henry Manby and William Taylor, were, on Tuesday, brought before Alderman John Johnson, charged with having stolen a quantity of lead, part of a leaden coffin which had been deposited about twenty years ago in the vault of the church of St. Cle ment, East Cheap. It appeared that the prisoners had been employed to make preparations in the vault for a funeral, and that they had been observed by some of the neighbours walk ing away with a large piece of lead from the receptacle. Information having been given to a policeman, the men were apprehended, and the lead was found in a butter-firkin in Gracechurch-street, where they had de posited it. Amongst those who gave evidence was Jane Margaret Walker, who stated that she was assistant to the sexton of the church of St. Clement, Eastcheap. She gave most extraordinary evidence, and said that the coffins were sometimes ordered by the churchwardens to be broken up. About nine years ago a circumstance of the kind had taken place. Upon that occasion the then churchwarden had authorised the breaking up of the leaden coffins. Sir J. GRAHAM said there h a d b een f our or five , convictions at the last Assizes. WRIT OF ERROR.—MR. O'CONNELL. Mr. E. BULLER said considerable anxiety pre vailed as to the effect which the trial of the writ of error in the House of Lords would have on the cir cuits. He wished to ask the Right Hon. Gentleman if he could say when the appeal would come on for hearing. Sir J. GRAHAM said h e h a d every reason t o be lieve that the writ of erro r h a d arr i ve d i n L on d on , or would arrive in the course of the next four-and twenty hours. So far as the Government was con cerned, every effort would b e ma d e t o expe dit e th e hearing of the writ of error ; and he was persuaded that it would be heard in time to enable the judges to attend their respective ci rcu it s w i t hi n t en d ays after the usual period. IRISH CHURCH.—(ADJOURNED DEBATE.) Colonel RAWDON, on the order of the day for resuming the adjourned debate being read, rose. He commenced by tendering his thanks to the Hon. Member for Sheffield (Mr. Ward) for the zeal, the industry, and the talent with which he had brought this subject under the consideration of the House. The efforts of that Hon. Gentleman were, he firmly believed, mainly conservative. He maintained that the true way of lareserving the union between the countries was to show a disposition to approach what was called a grivance with a desire to remedy it. The Hon. Member for Sheffield had long laboured on this subject. Year after year he had brought the question forward; it had gradually gained ground, and it was high time that it, should now produce some practical result. The 'city of Armagh which he represented was the residence of two primates, one of the English Church, and the other of what he might be permitted to call'the Irish Church. In what situation did they find 'these two:prima . tes. One was in the enjoyment of a splendid revenue inhabiting a palace surrounded by a park, and 'having a seat in the Legislature among the Peers:of the realm. And in the absence of the Viceroy he ibecame one of the Government of Ireland. Now he wished to call the attention of the people of England and the House to the state in w hi c h h e f oun d his neighbour, the Primate of th e I r i s h Ch urc h. •He lived in a humble tenement, for which he paid rent. He was unnoticed , and unrecognised - by the Government. He had no p ar t i n th e making of any laws he was not even permitted by statute, un der a penalty, to call himself what he was. They were told forsooth that. this was not galling. Could the Roman Catholics look upon the relative situation of the Roman Catholic and the Protestant Prelates with indifference? They were told that this motion of the Hon. Member for Sheffield was a source of irritation. He should consider that the annual rejection Of his motion was a much greater source of irritation. It was trifling with the feelings of the people of Ireland.llear.) The fact was that they had mixed up this question too much with Mammon. He hoped no Roman Catholic would take offence at what he was about to say, but he believed that the simplicity of the P ro t es t an t f or m of worship gave it great advantages over the Roman Catholic. The Re corder, of Dublin had admitted that the Protestant religion. had not been advanced by its wealth derived from the State. Why, then, did they not change their system, and, relying upon the simplicity of-their doctrines, see if that would not have more weight with the people of Ireland ? The Honourable and Learned Gentleman had told' them that 95,000/. had been subscribed within the last few years by the Protestants of Ireland for the build ing of churches. He rejoiced to hear it ; but was not that such evidence of the zeal and prosperity of the members of the ProtestantiChurch in Ireland, Alderman JOHNSON asked the witness whether she participated in the profits derived from the sale of the lead? The witness replied in the negative. Alderman JOHNSON, who was very much surprised at hearing of such a practice, desired to be informed how long the coffins were allowed to remain in the vault before they were disturbed, and the lead appropriated? The witness said the lead of the coffins had been broken up but once since she had been employed about the church, and that was nine years ago. She believed it was sanctioned by the churchwarden, and the profits were put down to the parish accounts. Alderman JOHNSON—I never supposed that such dis graceful proceedings could, for a moment, have been sanctioned or endured. One of the prisoners said that be had been employed by the other to take away the piece of lead, which had been lying amongst some rubbish, and the other prisoner said he had given the direction under the firm impresson that the lead was the perquisite of the churchwarden. The latter declared that, nine years ago, the lead of the coffins had been actually sold out of the churchyard, and the money obtained from the sale was carried to the account of the churchwarden for the time being. Alderman JonNsox said that so extraordinary a business must certainly be closely investigated, and remanded the prisoners. THE SUN, LONDON, TIitTRSDA.Y EVENING, JUNE 13, 1844, that it proved that there was no necessity for the pecuniary encouragement of the State. He was sorry to revert to the education question ; but the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had adverted to the schools which had recently been erected, and he must be permitted to say that the schools in the diocese of Armagh had been erected in opposition to the national system of education. His eyes had been opened to the real nature of the Protestant Church Establishment by their hosti lity to the national system of education. He had heard in his own parish sentiments expressed against that system, and he had heard sermons preached against the plan, and knew a late instance in which a bishop, who was appointed by the Right Hon. Baronet, in his first charge expressed himself as strongly opposed to the national system of education. This proved to him (Colonel Rawdon) that these ministers of the Church in Ireland were not the ministers of peace. The time was now come when it was neces sary to ask whether the Government were in earnest in their support of the national system of education in Ireland. He thought they were bound to ask the Right Hon. Gentleman whether he was acting fairly in not giving the whole weight of the Government in support of a system for which the country was taxed. The Noble Lord, the Secretary for the Colonies, had originated the national system of education in Ireland, and would that Noble Lord now allow that system, for want of protection, to wither? The Noble Lord, the Secretary for Ireland, had made use of less argument in his speech last night than he (Colonel Rawdon) had ever heard in any speech before. His speech was made up merely of quotations of eminent men. Those eminent men were distinguished for being in advance of public opinion of their day, and he (Colonel Rawdon) believed that if those eminent men could come again amongst us, they would still be in advance of the public opinion of the day. He wished to address himself to the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of the Government ; he wished to allude in most distinct terms to the declaration of the Duke of Wellington, that the present Church of Ireland was the foundation on which the union depended. For his own part he could not see why the Act of Union was to be thrust down the throats of the people of Ireland. The great object of the Hon. Member for Sheffield was to alter in some measure the laws re lating to the temporalities of the Church. With such opinions how could he (Col. Rawdon) much longer consent to be a party to that Act of Union, if he were to be told that it rested on the Irish Church Esta blishment ? No reason whatever had been shown, that the Act of Union would not be firmer and stronger by placing the temporalities of the Church on a proper and equitable footing. The Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government (Sir R. Peel), on the recent discussion of the Dissenters' ChapelS Bill, had shown a wish to do what was right. He (Colonel Rawdon) had recorded his vote for the Government in support of that Bill, although he believed his constituents did not participate in his approval of it. This would show the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) that if he were disposed and determined to do justice he had but to throw himself on that side of the House, and then all measures brought forward by him and founded on those principles would be carried triumphantly. Though he (Colonel Rawdon) had his predilections, he was an independent mem• ber, and if the Right Honourable Baronet showed the disposition to do justice he should be very willing to come forward and give him his support. He, the Right Honourable Gentleman, had but to be just—to fear not. In speak ing the other evening on the Bill he had referred to the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir Robert Peel) had finished a beautiful eulogium on the Established Church, by expressing his hope and opinion that she would never allow her doctrines to be thrown against the eternal principles of justice. This had been put forward to the people in Parlia ment, but it had been put forward in a more emphatic shape, in an address to public opinion out of doors, which was signed by many Irish representatives, to which lie was sorry that circumstances did not permit him to attach his nasne. It was evi dent that many of the Liberal representatives from Ireland had lost all confidence in that House, from which they appealed to a sense of justice outside the walls of Parliament. In that address, to which he begged to call the attention o' the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government, was demanded the recognition of perfect equality in regard to ecclesiastical and educational arrangements between the several religious communities into which the population of the country was divided. What could be more moderate than that demand ? It was what had been carried on in practice in England and Scotland. They neglected to carry out that principle with regard to Ireland. It was matter of history that both Houses of Parliament stood pledged to redress the grievances of It eland, and could any man say that the state of the Established Church of Ireland was not a grievance to the Catholic population of that country ? He denied that the Act of Union tied up their hands with regard to this subject; but, at all events, it should be recollected that the Parlia ment of that day was very differently constituted to what it would be now. If they wished to avoid a revolution they ought to adopt a principle of common sense.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") He was sorry to say that, in the present state of Ireland, foreign Powers had too much to offer to her. It was not safe to leave things in their present state —(Hear,.) He knew it might be said that this was not patriotic, and he knew how easily it was to get up a cheer in that House by a contrary sentiment, but he maintained that their business was to tell the truth—(Hear) and he would again repeat that foreign powers had too much to offer. He had lately conversed with many foreigners, particularly with Protestant Ger mans, who had themselves broached the subject to him. lie had talked much with Protestant Germans and others, but in the whole course of his experience, on the Continent, he had never found a man who could understand the state of their relations. He thought they ought to take warning from what philosophical writers like Kohl said upon this subject. He declared with all sincerity his belief that sooner or later the continuance of this state of things would lead to a, revolution in Ireland. He would not tres pass any longer on the attention of the House. He had given utterance to his sincere belief, that the Church temporalities were the cause of much irritation, and that the union itself was weakened by the present state of things. He would only, in con clusion, appeal shortly to what he hoped still existed in that House, namely, an independent party. There was such a party in that House in former days, and from the opinions expressed by many lion. Gentlemen opposite he hoped that such a party still existed. He hoped that party would show a disposition to act fairly towards Ireland, and that they would act in accordance with the dictates of justice and of common sense. • Sir J. WALSH said that, notwithstanding the general absence of an offensive tone in the speech of the Hon. Member for Sheffield, there were some parts of that speech open to objection. He said, for instance, that from the earliest period, the govern ment oreland by this country had been a uniform course of oppression. That was a statement that he could hardly have expected to hear from an Hon. Member who was a friend to British connection. They might regret the severity of the penal laws, but they were not made to bolster up the Irish Church. They were enacted to secure the Protestant succes sion. There was another thing which he much re gretted, and that was the introduction of personal topics into the Hon. Member's speech. He thought the sanctity of private life ought not to be lightly invaded, as the Members of this House possessed the privilege of saying what they chose, and giving great publicity to what they said—they ought to use those privileges with great discretion. He knew nothing of Arch deacon De Lacy, but the Hon. Member had held him up to a sort of reprehension in that House, as having bpen a luxurious and pampered ecclesiastic, when the House knew nothing of the circumstances, except tliat he appeared to have spent a large private fertune in acts of charity. -- (Hear, hear.) If ever national faith ought to be preserved, it should be preserved on the present occasion; it had never bOen more so l emn ly pl e d ge d t h an it had been to the Maintenance- of the Protestant Church of Ireland. It was of quite as much importance to preserve the national faith in our domestic as in our foreign rela tions. If the whole of the Irish Protestants agreed to this proposition that might indeed cancel the engage s ment, but as it was at present the national faith was pledged to the maintenance of the Protestant Church in Ireland. The Hon. Member had repeated what had often been quoted in that House, the declaration of the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of her Ma jesty's Government some years ago, that Ire land was 'his principal difficulty in conducting the government of this country. Ireland did constitute a great difficulty, and he (Sir J. Walsh) was quite sure that there was no Government that could be formed—no possible, no probable, no imaginary Government—that would not find the question of the government of Ireland an extremely difficult and complicated one. But lie did not think that the difficulties of governinglreland had been fully stated by the Hon. Member for Sheffield. The problem a statesman had to solve was, how to govern a country, which was most unhappily divided and disturbed by religious differences—differences existing between two parties of almost equal force and importance in the country. Ireland was unhappily divided by religious differ ences, and the Protestant party in Ireland constituted the mind, and intelligence, and wealth of the country. It was a mistake to suppose that there were few Protestants in Ireland, besides those who held large landed estates. They, in fact, were as numerous in the large towns as the Catholics. The striking of the late special jury list in Dublin, proved that the flower of the middle class in Ireland in the large towns were Protestants. He trusted that the ma jority on the present motion would be so large, that the Protestants of Ireland might be at rest as to the maintenance of their rights and privi leges; but he at the same time would desire to see a provision made for the Roman Catholic clergy, which he thought would contribute to the pacification of the country. Mr. M. O'CONNELL said that the lion. Baronet who had just sat down would, it seemed, most gladly make a provision for the Roman Catholic clergy of Ireland, which was not wanted by them, and which they refused--(Hear, hear) ;—but he would not give them that to which they were justly entitled. The time was when they would have gladly accepted such a provision ; but the Honourable Baronet might thank the party with which he, at present acted that their . proposal was not received. He thought the allusion to the want of interest mani fested upon this subject was more infelicitous, be cause it could not be supposed that, after listening to a long discussion on the mode of preserving dead bodies, they could give a very rigid attention to the important motion of the Hon. Member for Sheffield. They had already induced a state of despondency in Ireland ; by their vote that night they might super induce a state of despair, and what would be the result of that it was impossible to say. Consenting to go into a Committee on this subject at this late period of the session would be a matter of much importance. What Irish measures had been introduced in this session ?—(Hear.) The Irish Registration Bill had convinced the majority of the people of Ireland that the Government intended to limit, rather than extend, the franchise. The Municipal Registration Bill was, if possible, still more offensive, and if it ever came to be discussed he believed that would be proved to be the fact.—(Hear.) He alone had presented, during the present session, more than 300 petitions against that m easure . ow, they had an opportunity at present of exciting the gratitude of the Irish people by going into Committee on this subject. The State trials were over. Had they checked the influence of the conspirators ? Had they not at this moment a cry throughout Ireland for the great mea sure of relief which it had been their effort to preclude. In the same district, where Archdeacon Lacy re sided, and where he died, possessed of the wealth that had been mentioned, the Catholic dignitary died, after fifty years of labour, possessed of only tenpence-half penny, and the expense of his funeral was defrayed by subscription. It was incumbent on them to do something for the Catholic people of Ireland. The memory of the Noble Lord, the Secretary for the Colonies, seemed to have failed him regarding the language used by him on the subject of the Catholic oath. His observations were most injudicious and ill-timed, and rankled in the minds of the people of Ireland. Their attempts to'prop up the Established Church in Ireland were only sapping and under mining it, and it must, ere long, tumble about the ears of its supporters, if they did not make a material change in their policy. The people of Ireland were now in a state of the greatest political excitement ; and there was an immense number of troops which they could not at present withdraw, whatever their exigencies might be. Within the last two months a pamphlet had been issued from the French press which had excited general attention—it was the pro duction of the son of the King of France, and it had sunk deeply into the minds of the French people. Suppose the amicable relations with France became disturbed, which was not at all unlikely, and that the plan of the Prince de Joinville was carried out, that war steamers and gun-boats were sent to the coast of Ireland, let him ask the Government then to whom would they trust for the defence of the country ? Was it to the Established Church, or to the Protestant clergy, or was it to the stout hands and warm hearts of the peasantry ? Well, he really thought, notwith standing the high opinion the Right Hon. Baronet seemed to entertain of the strength of the Protestant squirearchy, they would make but a feeble defence against a formidable invasion. —(Hear, hear.) Were they willing to give the people some earnest that they intended to legislate on principles of equality and jus' tice ? If they were, they should begin in time, and not wait until it might be too late—until the enemy was at hand, when no doubt they would be lavish enough of promises, but when promises would be useless. He would not trespass further on the time of the House. Mr. HORNBY opposed the motion, and dwelt upon the necessity of maintaining the Established Church in Ireland in its present condition. No thing would more tend to weaken the connection between the two countries than impairing the strength of the Irish Establishment. Mr. DILLON BROWNE, after a preliminary observation on the reason which induced him to come forward, proceeded to say, that he regretted the Hon. Member for Sheffield had not made his motion more definite, and had not aimed a more determined blow at the Irish Established Church. The speech of the Noble Lord, the Secretary for Ireland, had extinguished all hope of the Government making any change in the present system. He declared the Church must continue a fixture—that it was an irreproachable monument of the wisdom of their policy, and that not a ray of truth or inquiry should penetrate into the darkest of its recesses. In his native parish, Glencoville, forforty years, there had not been a Protestant Church nor a Protestant rector, and yet his tenantry were obliged to pay tithes, or rent-charge, which was the same thing, although they all went to mass, and though there was not a single Protestant in the pa rish. His father was a Roman Catholic ; his mother and sisters were Protestants ; but his mother and sisters had travelled eleven miles to church every Sun day. They might have gone to the next parish church, but there they would have heard a long sermon, in which Roman Catholics were attacked in the coarsest and most 'vituperative language, and they did not like to listen to a sermon in which their father and bro. thers were denominated infidels and idolators.— (Hear, hear.) Archdeacon Marley, of the parish of Anaghdown, in Galway, had no other congregation than hia clerk, and he was a Roman Catholic.— (Laughter.) Once the Archdeacon was invited to dinner on a Christmas-day by a parishioner, and ex cused himself for delay on the ground that his clerk had been at mass, as it was Christmas-day.—(Re newed laughter.) The Right Hon. Baronet seemed to applaud himself for the more equal division of the re venues of the Established Church, which had recently take place in Ireland, but what was it to the people as long as they were obliged to pay the same money, whether the remains were given to few or many ? It was little satisfaction to the man who had been robbed by several highwayman, that the spoil had been equally distributed among them. Before the French Revolution broke out, M. Necker, father of Madame de Steel, t oo k th e t ax o ff the hat to put it on the shoe. The French people laughed at him ; and be fore they guillotined the Monarch, they caricatured the Minister. He approved of Lord Howick's no tions on the Irish Church, and thought that, if car ried into operation, they would be productive of the greatest benefit to the whole people. The Executive Government of Ireland were persons who were inca pable of performing the functions which had been en trusted to them. How could the people of Ireland be contented under the present system of government in that country ? It would be contrary to nature to expect it. The Church Establishment must perish sooner or later. Even if repeal were not carried, such an ti stablishment could not continue with the sanction of such an intelligent population as the inha bitants of this empire. The mind of Ireland had be come too elastic and buoyant to sink under so unna tural a burden. SiammaftwoftigNlPllMs. _ tion. He contended that the religious sentiment "lib t , necessary to insure the stability of every Govermn,e.c He thanked the House for the a tt en tion with ns they had heard him, and apologised for ob servati made in so crude and ill-digested a manner. /00 , Mr. VERNON SMITH cong ra t u lated the Gentleman on having, on this occasion, becomerl saviour of the Irish Church ; if he had notrisenlog,. he aid, they 'xould cettlinly have carried the inittee, but the Hon. Member had very displayed his great powers of information, !leililt:if say, on every subject except that more immenlBoo before the House, and when that failed him heal to kindly supplied with refreshment from the Tre) benches—(Laughter)—which he (Mr. V . • hoped was merely a forerunner of other more ! a d stantial favours from the same quarter.—(P at Stanley, during Mr. Borthwick's speech, 11 8, c1se al Lord A. Lennox to the lobby of the House n„ ) r, orange, which the Noble Lord handed to the Ilon..ae,va, ber.) The Hon. Member had certainly established nilsci self as one of the first speakers against time tha t ever appeared in that House. It often happene_ is, topics of importance were made an occasion for dec t i e , upportunelt mation, and he was not surprised that manY g °° , 1 e men had voted this question a bore, a nd not e,ects down to listen to the discussion. But' o ther su b io of equal importance had been neglected in the, e s q manner in that House, and yet they had been ntero, carried. On the question of Parliamentary Bei:bort he believed the House was counted out a e ery -, time before it was carried. The quest i on of Cct i l u re d Emancipation was for a long period co nste lo rather as a thesis for young speakers 'sea, as a practical measure, before it Pe:01,13 It was highly necessary that they 7, e of pay attention to this measure, for the s e r preserving the peace of Ireland, which was in 119 0 , nent danger. It might be broken either frestoe failure of the potato crop or the firing of a t bst gun in Europe. He believed that, if the reP er h ',l i ip Admiral Dupetit Thouars had sunk an Eng?"irish at Otehaite had been true, the question of the„„.3sit)! Church would have been settled, from the e e ' - • t i of they should have been under of calling in the 81 t o their fellow-countrymen. He wished to se h e t bls way in which the Ministry intended to deal ivit' d •ffi , question. The Irish Church was always t 1 1,, e ,,, e culty that stood in the way of e s tabli s hing a 6`",, ts b. ment in Ireland. When the late Governmen t r ;: lished the system of national education, the ' - o ti, ete was the greatest opponent of it, and the) ter n• still the greatest opponents of that useful 5Y. 5 00 of The Church stood in the way of the adminis trati stie s justice, as the Government knew from the dif et r i ef icl• with respect to Catholic juries. They talked of de' i, be . ing the Church on the scor e o f defending tl' e o r ;re' of property. Why, they mad e g reater inroads niterr perty every day than would be caused by an.F ll pro' tion of the Catholic Church. Every railroad 13 , 1 " b i s of duced a great and compulsory change in the l a n ot property. On the ground of religion, he it st see how they could maintain the Church as still present existed. It had totally failed in propagtge the Protestant Church in Ir e land. He di d , ll lo ° Ye" prove of an universal voluntary system. 13voluntary land the majority of the popul a ti o n had a system, and the minority had a compulserlatil That was the very worst positio n in which a co l d could stand in this respect ; their object sh ell tl B to produce something like an equality betweeo,o3oo Churches. He considered that the amount of d the enjoyed by the Protestant Church, 81.1'- ' i th it; conduct of individual dignitaries connected w:dereo were minor points of the question. He ee t l . ll , 85 8 the Church rather as a religious grievance tit Ire' pecuniary one. He considered the Church thin c i land as an anti-Protestant Establishmen t, fin lie such he was prepared to deal with it. de' wished to see the Catholic clergy not enti re a l t bee l pendent on their congregations, as it dePr ive e fro ° of their moral independence, while an allowa e n c ia the State would secure their loyalty. He shci- ne-' l ' e go into the means by which this might be do-„ ia did not anticipate that any great movement we'ssure• made by the Government in regard to this re e t Seeing how they were supported it was a llll , °s c lo s e t : possible for them, even if they wished it, °m o re' All their support was derived from the }lig! - ,eOP I / j party in this country. The English tbe., were generally moderate and quiet, 19 , 11 h" had their periods of excitement w il t e tio l l nerally occurred at the septennial ei-oakh and he could assure the Government that it not do to go to the con s tit uenc i es w ith the tili fi lD u Pi a ll' tariff, their Ecclesiasti ca l C our t s Bill, the 15', Courts Bill, or such a question as that o f Chtlf, c ;c li be tension, which had don e no thi ng as yet, and In believed would end with d o i ng ve ry little. -I n a id; cent debate the Noble Lord o pp o site (Lord Sit,etholic had introduced the question of th e Roman ~0 ; 0" oath, and read it at the table, for the purpose ° ' roe ing out the subjects on which he th o ught t hei bound not to vote. Lord STANLEY—I said the very contra i l en t ee t Mr. V. SMITH—It was of very little what the Noble Lord had said : Ay had he bided forward and read the oath at all He ha th i rvb e ,,, /j over the debates on the Catholic Relief Bill, a i n- „ o s t it was proposed that Roman Catholics shut,il u f - di,fr t . allowed to vote on questions affecting the Cn e ,. - e etr e ' Right Hon. Baronet opposite said he won't)", es l allow that any Member of that House s hould ,psr eluded from forming his own judgment on 8 4 ° 6 °' titular case, and he was unwilling to depriv e ' d id' man Catholic Members of that liberty of free 80 4 0 sion, and the exercise of judgment, which h, el ,l ° o 1 , 11 : every Member of Parliament. He apPea l ii e " t ber recollection of the Right Hon. Baronet I " e f A lp did not use language to this effect, for he Oar Smith) was not prepared with any scruP B ,: - be e „ e : sad. He did not know what object wet' „ O rived from maintainin g this oath. It Was no lit, for the Established Church, for since it of 11 enjoined every Member was to interpret it I f 01; self ; and it should be l e ft t o the good ta ste W i t Gentlemen whether they wou ld throw it i nt ' e of 11 ;; of Roman Catholic Me m b ers , that they did id be e a t here to it. He did n o t thi n k th a t much cei l est iou , ,t petted from the prese n t G overn ment on 3 C i ti the ' e this nature, but if they wi s hed to remove that clan „ source of discontent in Irela n d they woula " a t c 0; present state of the Estsblished Church in ,ry.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. - BOR-TWICK explained. oc cog g eiep S eap i ar r trrei e: J nshte . een G wator ß ef. a)d A reti :nHeae HAMtseesatinnhsdoa thought goaah h nttg e r eoa w mtunh a raye s o illaielliblisoliNlgcniehlt. l h i ac: n : g awrer i e a fiatinveio g er esri,.2, ,mil t t a( h h : follow o n tflr t lti r oph o wpe d e u ptd c hr e peo d utßebs t lit h giac i hn s tt subject had very ee najue d e o g s j ti lle , °t o lll ot opinion nc ioi nu .rChurch e n inn s t e l eemkianng Ireland.wfohro t s h rl e pye - 0 , eissotlis i t 0... gi nii - ttoee ia t n h gt e reer r ep a dr t e h Ntv e a r ittih i o r n r h e io l m e f v , ant subject of the Catil nue b e r ''''''tbe be bound by his o fi w i was for to t the oath, itealninatdtioueisat c o h pi l ‘iili e o n: i---itiso totter be Member to ask of him to interpret iris cording) The beor ., nio' view which he took of it himself. —r, ~,, c- oath Roman Catholic Members were admitted oti of . "; 0 , ofiTi w pl a e s te b u in n d d i e n r g st o a n nd t i h n e g ir tchoantsctiehneceosb, laingdatio beingsl 61' that ter pr!` h t was left to each individual to put their own J o e 1 4 0 1 tion on the oath. He also agreed withiifficiiltYtia Hon. Gentleman with respect to the 1 ' 1 0 10, 1 . 3 0 5' dealing with religious subjects in regal . ' t ipetV i g lit where there was a voluntary Church, a : t he P!' o s Church, and an Established Church. Bn' interi dot Hon. Gentleman had asked what were tbe to st., vro t iy of the Government with regard to the crett oeti. t h dCehbuarteehd.thHise subject,(S irJanGdreaxhparmes)sehdad s n in ieos ', vi ol his op Geot iew vo regard to it, that from him theßight 11°11,:elieved,h`eir could expect but one answer, which be 1 " was 1 4 of also the opinion of his colleagues—that I;itelan'it,.4 desire to purify the Established Church °L u h i till , it every abuse, and to strengthen it by reugriged„,:ote discipline and practice; and, having so P t he Pillt? was their determination to support it as o rs.) i d lished Church of Ireland.—(Ministerial client had sir Hon. Gentleman who introduced the subJ, s v eri_ A io that the Established Church in Ireland, n ' onc urar efficient, and had made no converts. l ie t frous e 't f ib' the opinion of Mr. Buxton, who, Oared it as his opinion that the abuses of nts to i. 7 i n th the s the lished Church were the great impedi!ne 10 13 0a a j. spread of the Establishod Church In rea dill,, io o. (Hear, hear.) He and his colleague?_ eoposi:(o,,, mitted that ; and, whether in office or in fl i el., , they did their best to remove these abus! arch jo P. Gentleman said that the Established ()_ O ll .., 01 , , land was the worst Church in Christenct O. g o P . Mr. WARD said he did not say th i o l‘ quoted the opinion of Queen Mary. did 0 0 t ti eeti Sir JAMES GRAHAM said he that it could be expected that the opi ?ro tes' Mary could be very favourable to the 3f the Church. „.; Bon G en sidi l ' wife Ir o . f l l V v A ii ß lia D m meantnl. the Queen Mary o f 1 6:010. it Sir J. GRAHAM begged the readv t° ti°'" pardon ; but, at all events, he was Revo lu t. e t that within a period a little later t hushed ri • _•eo r • kinutlsi,. there were abuses in the ...sta_.ce were i'v_viLl Ireland which were a disgrace. 2...Uslfriend, sotvorf imperfections in it which none of it rter of a ee, use,:, wish to see; but within the last quu .e tho se a' e clo . A ev n e o ry th e er ffo i r m t phoardtanbteemnernasaucriee tlovaii.e,nlPa°_:_sdedh;Tiistlivic,ibcil'e vernment of Earl Grey, and introduce_ ss hire, l_ tr y; Friend the Member for North Lau' th e e oo tin g a nd bail t" e t tbi against sinecures and pluralists, 11 pinted O" s g a a d n im d in t i h sh ,r ed tthooekProatmesptlaent phrieecraaurctlioynsof i n ,g l enve bets for the University of Dublin. . fle ur, Ire , pe ff lu e r c a t lit o ie f s. tho i s v e he ng e a r su t r h e e s Eisntarbeldisulicelun'gcslll.°.,reobr ° , l ' l° ' land was the worst Church in Christenu°,l;jightr,lje h believedall engethcaotmtphaeriinsoinnism,t,eirths oafnythoutthCe.lriunirci:lolisatileati.s oecttive Protestant faith. They were resident, Mr. HAMILTON regretted that the Hon. Mem ber for Sheffield should think it his duty to make an annual attack upon Church property in Ireland. The time was gone by when the question of the Church of Ireland was likely to be an engine to be used for party purposes. He believed that the maintenance of the Church of England in Ireland was calculated to maintain religious truth. It ought to be kept up be cause this was a Protestant State. He would ask whether 2001. a year was too great an income for a gentleman of education to enjoy who held the situation of a beneficed clergyman ? yet this amount was that which would only fall to the share of each clergyman of England if the annual income of the Church were divided equally amongst them. Considerably more than one half of the benefices of Ireland were less than 300/. a year, and only about twenty-six were more than a thousand a year. These facts were shown by the reports of the Eccle siastical Commissioners. The Hon. Gentleman then read a statement of the amount derivable from several benefices in Ireland. He was sure that the more the question was discussed the better situation the Church would stand in.—(Hear.) Sir C. NAPIER thought that they would never do justice to Ireland as long as they were in a state of peace ; it was not wise or politic to let Ireland re main in the state she was. He thought great consi deration ought to be given to the pamphlet of the Prince de Jonville. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but no division took place, and on our re-admission to the gallery we found Mr. P. BORTHWICI( addressing the House in opposition to the motion. He regretted extremely that this motion should be brought forward annually, as he considered it calculated to excite irritable feel ings between the Roman Catholics and the Protestants. The real grievance of Ireland was not in the Church, but in the poverty of its people and the bitterness of party feeling. Even the cry of repeal had carried but little weight, till the magical words " fixity of tenure," had been brought to its support. Then was it that the multitude rushed to the support of Mr. O'Connell, and that the isle was frighted from its propriety. This "fixity of tenure" was that which roused Ireland, and not the connection between Church and State—a connection which he (Mr. Borthwick) maintained was a desirable and a neces sary one in any country. Only a short time ago an illustrious individual in another place had declared that every man, whatever his belief might be, was inte rested in maintaining the principles of the Reforma- THAMES POLICE. Yesterday, Mr. John Cockburn Belaney, the writer of a work upon falconry, and who represented himself as a sur geon, was brought up in custody of police-sergeant M'Cardell, No. 4 K, charged on suspicion of having caused the death of his wife Rachel, by administering to her a quantity of prussic acid on Saturday last, at the house 46, Green-street, Stepney. The prisoner, who leant on the front of the dock in a very dejected manner during the inquiry, appeared to be about 45 years of age. Previously to the inquiry being entered into, the prisoner requested a postponement of the case, as he had sent for counsel to conduct the defence. Mr. BRODERIP said, that any evidence which might be taken could be read over on the arrival of the barrister, who stan r c i e s Ntyoeuld then have an opportunity of putting any questions to soner—ln my position, Sir, under h y sTitnesses which he thought necessary. ~ , the complexion of the case is ver t y he da p r r k ese . present circum stances, only to , Mr. BRODERIP I • " be . filled_up by the evidence brought before me. must view it as a complete blank, which stated that on Tuesda) in her house on . Mrs. Matilda Hipping- t 11 _s a , 46, Green-street, Stepney, weektheapart mentstwenty ground floor for himself and his minutesprisoner r before eight o'clock on Satur day morning last,thp ii . d indeed deceased lying on the bed apparently di ' d go up, come up, my wife is very ill." I l i: a strong fit. Witness lg i d ic out, "Mistress ! Mistress ! and found the raised her up, and said " She is very feet i The nNv warm pri soner said, " Pray to something forie water," and the water was at once prro'cupuretdierThe prisoner and a servant girl proceeded to rub her feet, aid witness said, " Oh ! send fig somebody." A Mrs. M'Eachern and a Cap tain Clark, friends of the prisoner and his wife, were then sent for, and ultimately Mr. Garrett, a surgeon, was called in. At that time the upper part of the deceased's body was dreadfully convulsed. me prisoner said he was himself a medical man, and would bleed the deceased, but that she had no pulse ; he added, that he supposed she was labouring under an affection of the heart, of which her mother had died nine months previously. The prisoner and Captain Clark rubbed the deceased's legs, the Captain using a clothes brush, the operation seemed to revive her a little, and a mustard plaster was then applied to her chest ; but witness could not say whether by the Captain or by the prisoner. The deceased breathed about twice after Captain Clark came in, and died with a convulsive gasp upon wituess's shoulder. Her death 4 occurred about a quarter of an hour or twenty minutes after the witness went up ; but it was difficult to point out the precise time of her death, there were such long intervals be tween the gaspings. There were two tumblers on the table by the bedside, and the nearest one seemed to have been full of a clear liquid, which witness neither tasted nor smelt. Witness saw no phial, except a bottle in which, she under stood, a black draught had been brought for the deceased. She saw no broken glass in the place. So far as she observed, the prisoner and his wife lived happily together. She played on the piano for him. They had been at the theatre together, and had had friends to visit them. She was a pretty little woman, twenty years of age, and about seven months advanced in pregnancy. Their intercourse seemed to be more like that of father and daughter than of husband and wife. At this stage of the proceedings, Mr. Charnock, the bar rister, and Mr. Hicks, the solicitor, appeared for the defence. Sarah Williams, servant to the last witness, deposed to the affectionate terms upon which the deceased and the prisoner appeared to live. On the Wednesday after they came Mr. Belaney sent the witness for a black draught, and then brought out a basin which he requested her to empty. No medicine was purchased by witness after the Wednesday. About 7 o'clock, on Saturday morning, the prisoner called for a glass and a spoon, which witness took to him, and he then said that he was going to write. At a quarter to 8 a.m., the prisoner called ou " Mistress ! Mistress ! my wife is very ill !" Witness went up, and saw she was foaming at the mouth, but she was not convulsed. The prisoner bathed her feet and legs in hot water, and said he would use the lancet, but that she had no pulse. He then sat down and cried, saying that she was in a fit, and that he feared she should not get out of it. Witness saw one tumbler on the table half full of clear liquid. _ _ Mrs. Hippingstall being recalled, said she never heard any thing unpleasant pass between the deceased and the prisoner. The tumblers stood on the side table at the head of the bed, and both appeared to have been used. The furthest tumbler had nothing in it. She saw some salts and a teaspoon on the table, but nobody, as far as she was aware, tasted the liquid in the glass. She emptied and rinsed out the glasses but not at the prisoner's bidding. Sarah Williams, being re-called, stated that she found a glass stopper under the piano, in the front parlour, on the Saturday after the death of deceased. The prisoner appeared much distressed, and rubbed the face of the deceased conti nually with vinegar and water. Mr. J. B. Curling, surgeon, of New Broad-street, and Lon don Hospital, made a post mortal: examination of the body. on Monday, in the presence of Mr. Garratt, another surgeon. He found no disease of the heart, but there were traces of an old disorder on the upper part of the lungs. On examining the contents of the stomach there was a strong smell of prussic acid, and its actual presence was discovered on analysation by Mr. Leithby, an experienced chemist of the London Hospital. The amount found m the stomach was quite sufficient to de stroy life. _ _ _ In his cross-examination Mr. Curlingadmitted thathydro cyanic acid was frequently prescribed in small quantities, to the amount of four or five drops of Scheele's Dilution. One accustomed to it might increase the quantity with impunity, but not in the degree that one taking opium might increase it. Witness was not aware that medical men were in the habit of using this medicine, and had never used it himself. He saw the unhappy gentleman at the bar after the post mortcm examination, but did not mention to him what he (witness) conceived to be the cause of deceased's death. On analysing the contents of a stomach he did not look for any traces of Epsom salts, having satisfied himself thlitxleath re sulted from the presence of prussic acid. • Mr. M. B. Garrett, of No. 3, New-road, St: aeor g e'4=, in-the- East, was at the post mortem examination, and confirmed the statement of the last witness as to the appearance of the body. He was called in at about five minutes to nine in the forenoon of Saturday. The prisoner rose when he entered, and, though they were strangers, shook hands with him. On hearing the particulars of the case, witness suggested to Captain Clark the propriety of having an inquest held, to which the prisoner, when it was mentioned to him, at once assented, requesting witness to proceed with it in the regular course. Witness never stated to the prisoner his opinion as to the cause of the death of the deceased. Captain Clark and a Mr. Hobson, a bookseller in the Commercial-road, called on the witness late on Monday night, and, after a short conver sation, the prisoner, who was waiting outside, came in, and voluntarily made the following statement :—" I have_ been in the habit of taking Prussic acid for indigestion, at about three drops in the dose. On Saturday morning Lwas about to take my usual quantity, but found some difficulty in removing the glass stopper from the phial. I took the handle of a tooth-brush, which I used with some little force, and in so doing the neck of the bottle broke off. Some of the liquid was spilled, and the remainder I poured into a tumbler, placing it on a drawer on the tither side of the loom. I hen went out into the front room to write to some friends in the country, and I heard a scream from the bed-room : I proceeded at once to the spot, and found my wife in convulsions. She said " Dear me, I have taken something hot or strong out of the tumbler: give me some cold water." Mr. Garrett proceeded to say, that lie re mained silent as to the cause of the deceased's death, until the examination before the Coroner had taken place. Mr. Charnock, at this stage of the proceedings, said lie would rather reserve any evidence lie had for a future in quiry; but at the same time he hoped his - Worship would allow his client an opportunity of being brought up at the Coroner's inquest. Mr. Bitomere could not interfere with the proceedings of another court ; but the evidence before him fully warranted hint in remanding the prisoner. As he said before, his mind was a tabitla rasa, only to be imprinted by the evidence. The case was adjourned to this day week, and Sergeant M'Cardell was desired by Mr. Symons, the chief clerk, to collect whatever additional testimony he could procure in the interim. The prisoner, who appeared exceedingly dejected, under the advice of his counsel declined making any defence, and was then locked up. STATE OF TRADE. (From the Manchester Guardian of yesterday.) There has been a good and steady business in the yarn market during the last week, and prices are generally firm, except for the higher counts, which have been for some time past relatively higher than the rest, and have now sightly receded. For manufactured goods the market is not quite so good. The recent commercial news from the East Indies asd China not being considered favourable, shirtings have slightly declined in price, and are more difficult of sale; but printing cloth is tolerably firm, with a fair business doing. ROCHDALE FLANNEL MARKET, MONDAY, JUNE 10.— We have had an improved demand for flannels to-day; but the manufacturers complain much at the very low prices offered by the merchants. The wool dealers have not been very pressing to sell at former prices, on ac count of a report very generally circulated, that, at the colonial wool sales in London last week, that article fetched between Id. and lid. more than at the last sales BURNING THE CANDLE AT BOTH ENDS. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. Stu,—Some years back Mr. Joplin gave an account of the proceedings of the Bank during the terrific panic, in the course of which country banks went down by dozens, and two of the oldest London firms were compelled to stop, not withstanding the possession of enormous wealth, after de ducting every demand upon them. On this memorable occasion the Government openly stated, that the country had been within forty-eight hours of a state of barter ; and that it had been saved by the wise and vigorous measures of the Bank of England. What was the nature of these measures (suggested, by the bye, in the teeth of the opinions expressed by Government and the press, and adoptedby the Directors, by Mr. Joplin)? Were these measures the procurement of some vast sums in gold ? The Bank did not possess twenty thousand pounds in gold on the night preceding the adoption of the measures in question. Was it a vigorous contraction of the Bank circulation ? On the contrary, it was an enormously increased issue— amounting, in a single week, to about fifty per cent. on its previous circulation. _ _ This vast, this almost boundless extension of the paper currency, stopped the panic, and restored confidence and prosperity. . How does Sir Robert Ruin propose to meet a similar emer gency, should it arise ? By diminishing the paper currency in exactly the ratio in which the metallic is diminished! So that if the coffers of the Bank be emptied by withdrawal of deposits-of ten millions of gold, the Bank is to be bound to call in ten millions of its paper 1 Because the well is being disastrously emptied by an inevitable bucket, a gratuitous one, on the other side, is to be established, to work pari passu in the delightful operation. 'Sdeath, Sir, are we all mad ? Shall experience, as well as reason, be set at nought ? Or are there yet enough of us left in_pUr senses to seize on this pestilent, prating, meddling lunatic, and put him under the care of the authorities in MoorfieldS? COMMON SENSE. HENLEY-ON-THAMES REGATTA. This great regatta, of which the patron is Lord Camoys, and at which the gentlemen of the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge, with others of the great aquatic clubs, are expected to contend, will take place on the 25th and 26th inst. The following entries have been already made, and it is expected will be added to The Grand Challenge Cup, for eight-oared boats, open to any crews composed of the Universities of Oxford, Cambridge, or London, or schools of Eton and Westminster, or the officers of the army or navy, or to any club established at least one year previous to the time of entering : Oxford—The University Boat Club. (The winners of 1843, and present holders.) Oxford—The Etona Club. The Stewards' Challenge Cup for four-oared beats. Same qualifications as for eights : London—St. George's Boat Club. (The winners of 1843, and present holders.) Oxford—University Boat Club. Oxford—Subscription Rooms. London—The Royal Academy. The District Challenge Cup for four-oared boats, open to any amateur clubs belonging to any of the towns on the banks of the Thames from Windsor to Oxford (both inclusive), established at least one year previous to the time of enter ing, who shall not be resident members of the University, or belong to any University club : Windsor and Eton Boat Club. Reading—The Britannia Club. The Town Challenge Cup, for four-oared boats, open to any amateur club within five miles of Henley, established at least one year previous to the time of entering : Henley—The Albion Boat Club. (The winners of 1843, and present holders.) Henley—Dreadnought Cutter Club. Henley—The Aquatic Club. To this the former list is added a very beautiful little prize, entitled the Diamond Sculls, for gentlemen amateur scullers, open to all England, for which the following gentle men have given in their names :—Messrs. Kennedy, A. Ive, E. G. Peacock, Connant, J. James, Pocock, T. B. Wigham, T. B. Bumpstead, A. M'Leod, Morgan, and Sir F. Scott. Many of the above are members of the Universities, and of the leading London clubs. YEOVIL.—SING ULAR PRESENTIMENT OF D BATH. — A man of this town, named William Syrnes, had on many •ccastons, and for many years past, been heard to de clare his conviction, that he should die on the very day when he should have been married twenty years ; and, strange to relate, his pre_entiment proved true, as his death took pla e on Whit-Monday, the 27th of May, on which day, twenty years before, he was married. his remains were conveyed to the grave on Thursday week, and, agreeably with his particular desire, often expressed, his body was dressed in the same clothes which he wore when he WAS marriel ; that is, a blue coat, buff waist coat, white trousers, and white cotton, stockings, and, as he was a member of the Yeovil Guardian Friendly So ciety, the club ribands and medal (affixed to the button hole of his coat, On the left side), were also put on. The funeral was attended by a number of the member's of the Society, as well as relatives and friends ; and we believe that few in humble life have left behind them a better n am e.—Bristol Mercury,