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4 1 :d Norwich Di rec t li ne , a s put in by Mr. Gravit, were far too While the traffic calculations were ex( ezdingly exaggerated. .Mr. C ALVERT informe d t h e C omm i t t ee th a t the promoters for "cm he appeared had entered into an agreement with the Eastern Union Extension Company to work their joint trains in conjunc tiou, in the event of Parliament sanctioning their railway. 111 r. Locke, on behalf of the East Dereham and Norwich Direct line, confirmed the evidence of Mr. Gravit as to the cost of con struction. This having closed the case on behalf cf the direct line. Mr. C ALVERT ad d resse d t h e C om mittee on the evidence adduced in favour cf the Dereham and Norwich direct, and applied hsrn. "elf More particularly to the difference of time and c_ st between It and the line via Derehsm. The distance travelled by the latter, "reeding that required on the former, was at least seven miles; an d eight statio ns , en tailing a delay of at least 50 minutes, were either t be stopped at, or the traffic anticipated at them wholly given P ' His Learned Friend had denied that the fares would be higher on the line he represented, and had cited the maximum clause an effectual precaution against high tolls. B ut the c ard se of Trade required on a line return i ng 10 p er "`• a diminution of its tolls. The direct line would n questionably within a short period return at lea. t that amount, t the additional cost of working the line seven miles longer 2 . t11d at once preven t it s ever attaining the requisite per centage, `tht its ever lowering its toll. The traffic at present passing be twhn Norwich and Manchester would be diverted into channels • - " °ll 3' unconnected with the former ; Yarmouth would obtain a larg e proportion o f i t, an d th e t own which the line affected to benefit would be materially, if not ruinously, injured. U pwards of 22,0001. of the money subscribed for the circuitous lute was, independent of the purchase of acreage necessary for °i ! c onstruction, to be spent among the landowners for the interest e good-will. Such a waste of capital was wholly uncalled for, while unprecedented by any line previous or contemporaneous, LariTeicisought by the projectors of the Direct Rail wa y . His Friend appeared to rely considerably upon the advantage : 4 2ailig to Wyndham by facilities of communication, while the 4 - 4 or Norwich had been virtually disregarded. Did that dis. s al 7; howeV2r, require no accommodation ? Was its progress so th 'rand its prosperity so palpable as not to need an increase? Let e POPulation tables of the years 1831 and 1841 att est the accuracy w s uch a proposition. The census returns o f the former y ear 14 I p3pulation of 60,000, and "of the latter, 67,000 inhabi- V . .a bare increase of 6 per cent. in ten year s ; while, in the lee ding period, he found the increase had been more t han 21 B rent. S uc h a circumstance was a remarkable and undeniable pr o o f cif th , f comparative declining state of a town, whic h, from its central h ay .tit 'a, might, but for want of more ready railway communication, r 2 been expected of unusual prosperity. The gradients of the direct „; Were far inferior to its rival; the site of the termini pres en t ed il ar advantages, and considering the propositions of the two the e ' in every particular, he contended there was not one on which Cornmittee were not warranted in giving preference to the 'get% Th e Learned Counsel having concluded his address, the Commit 2d. ... —JoUrned at half-past four till to-morrow. GROUP L. I'ORTSMOITTII ATMOSPHERIC LINE. , k t. '"ae Committee for this group resumed at twelve this morning, E. „ B. Denison, in the chair. '. 111 '. Stephenson, the eminent engineer, was called by Mr. COCK ' Cr, and stated that he was engineer of the Cheste r and Hol y head Cr, Had been called upon by the Directors about 15 mont h s ag o ake a r e p or t respecting the expediency of laying it down as an i tt c *Pheric line, and in consequence of that circumst ance his at 4dao had been turned to the principle of at mos p heric traction. . it o - 'ad therefore gone over and made experiments on the Dublin 4 :: and had not only made experiments himself, but had com h3ned two other gentlemen to continue them, and h ad e l i mi - d ee d anomalies which induced him to make a report el. the adoption of the atmospheric p rinci p le on the , h i rer and Holyhead line would be injudicious. On small el " 4 31 of five or six miles in length without stations , th at p rin. el do very well ; but to trunk lines it would be totally in ttaigeable. In his experiments on the Dante), line the speed with of 30 tons each never exceeded 30 miles an hour ; while on 47 0 tive trains the speed was almost a lwa y s more than 30 miles 40 ,_" °° r, and was often more than 40 mi l e s an hour with trains of e N "' 5 0 tons each. The first effect of the working of the engine Ise lb reduce the density in the pipe, and c onse q uentl y g ave room ki n ! admission of the denser atmosphere. It was, of course, a l t , e 4 le in pneumatics, that just in proportion as the point was re 114d from the engine would be the slowness of the reduction of 44 density ; so that that part of the pipe which was furthest Irons li e ntrie would be the slowest exhausted, and as the train pro 100a, the rarified air in the tube would be gradually driven up e t .7,d4 the further end, and that combining with the denser at. llisr Ire beyond the piston, would tend to reduce the velocity of 4 1 Zia- This, however, would be just in proportion to the length bith „hoe, and, as on the Dalkey line, this opposition, combined t . '"e leakage , had created the anomaly of which he had spoken. Its:Pedeel the velocity. But just in proportion as the tr i 4.11 ap kti, h eti the engine the velocity was increased, and as it advanced . N t he engine the velocity was diminished, so that there would 4 427, , °f power, and on the Dalkey lin e he believed that they "As Di a-a med the maximum, and the consequence would be that as Nat`le -" e *as increased in length the velocity would be reduced. b lade roallowance for momentum, for in the experiments b., tire N Ni a i . -. ,Of it entirely disappeared. From Mr. H awkesle y 's for. ke el ` appeared the train could not be moved at all after six or I fte e s tiles in ler gth. The loss of power, as indicated by the fall 4 " h atotneter, was 69 per cent. downwards , and on a 30 tuns SlO 4 Was 57 per cent., the mean power being 43 pe r cent. He 'l4Ze applied Mr. Hawkesley's formula to the experiment s, and t he t ot :d them almost precisely correct. He had before suppo s e d that 4 4 1. of power was owing to the leakage. On the D alke y line • , tt lel,. 11 . "age was 200 feet per minute per mile, and the Da lke y al les Mr length, 3,000 feet per minute, on a line of si x or seven t . %K ite length. There would be a point at which the Dalkey %te en. would not move a train at all. There were three . 4 Ctances which would tend to impair the velocity lett i : train—the leakage, which would increase in pro , aity to the length of the line; the increased den. INL'ilich resulted front that increased leakage; and the in are friction which was a consequence of the increased density_ 'llat,i‘the length of the pipe would act as a direct principle to pro these three conditions. The velocity of the train was in a - "Of the power of the engine to the diameter of the tube; it t ‘e% 4 v ., square of the two diameters ; so that just as te e l ac i t v d ias increased the power of the engine must nor , so that the increase of the power of be d :4 1 111 1054 , 1 1 the Portsmouth atmospheric line from 120 to 150 li n(51,.... while they had increased the diameter of the tube, IL b oo ed nothing . for them. He believed that no atmospheric tsi m ha t 4 sufficient to answer the purposes of the public on a The line would be subject to greater irregularities, t 1 4 , 1 444 line of sixty miles, with stations every three miles, e ltse e -s, `dorter Y eng ines would be require d ; while with e l lite4 tta tionson a locomotive line, only 9 engines would be le7 fre te "tn e d there would evidently be less liability from 9 engines e....111t4; 40 engines The consequence would be, that while any 11.'" i i te '2.whick occurred . on the atmospheric line would be a penile. ,t ih, ',least a comparatively durable obstacle, that on the locomo 044*°old be only transient. In addition to this, there was the te. prOp et e , f or the locomotive line that the power could be increased Zee , te t °rl to the weight of the traits which the engine had to N, r ale on the atmospheric line the power must be always 1 1' 4 ittZ. The endeavour to meet the difficulty by more name ee the Would prove a failure, for it is matter of experience 14, -Ra k Pu blic would not be interfered with by s u c h fre q uent 11 ,n. rit et s Z e re was certainly an advantage on the side of e t Nte 4 "Pheric line in saving the weight of the t eol 'al engine. The weights of these varied from 16 to lt tl Fllt et ., ° , 4 the narrow gauge. On the broad gauge th e 7. °f engine varied from 23 to 33 tons. The engine and e i 7ite, t ea carried the express train to Birmingham weighed 18 Cite farce at a r a te of 40 miles an hour, performing the 112 Cat e..'ee hours. In general the weight of the engine and At* 1 - ; a bout one-third of the whole train. There wo ul d be k tilt 4 ue on the Epsom line during certain seasons r aki et l e e ars and Mr. Stephenson believed that the kik Principle could not satisfy the requirements of the s t ` tk e le et T b respect to the safety, he believed that the crossing . le.. Th d Prove seriously dangerous from the liability to colli- N 7 to ; I. ° Was a 100 horse engine to convey the train down the is tt Ate 2, st on-square, and for working 14 or 15 trains a day Ite l kse cfi t t 3 ic of road, and he calculated that the expense was not it ~,the ,/ the difference of the power to 150-horse power, le m tist k -41ta nce to three miles, as he found that there would be ,e9i ) le f on , t.," . ° ; .." .0 1. per mile. The cost of the single engine was a '‘ l tt. - 4 4 04 t•te i ,"- per annum , and assuming Mr. Samuda's estimates le, .. 'a, that a passage ' of 2,000 trains its the year would Vitt e l l expense of 331. a mile—putting this to the 9,000/. ‘te W 1 e" ich had been allowed for other purposes, there was a ICl47'Nit,__s4 h a mile for working expenses alone. On the t ek ie lort ''' ll line the cost was 5001 . per mile, allowing l ie, li ti : t ereste This was the expense of a single line, for a 1 4t li at th h ad hot been calculated. With respect t o the asser. le ty te nod e force ,of gravity alone would carry the trains down t hat trl3.lanes, he had to say that from his own experience he It, N I '''oa had been stepped by the atmosphere. ‘l i lf itte h nqU irY of Mr. M. Mtefees, Mr. Stephonson replied that V i llht e. Of the atmosphere was as the square of the surface to I S t e th a . e d 4 eat h %-s eeXamination of Mr. TALBOT Mr. Stephenson re ,l:,,,‘tt4hi had heard that. the line at Dalkey was wider very Natii: cir cumstances. At Dalkey there was a connecting 'As tt e . a at right angles with the main pipe, the leakage in 4 0 1 10. 19 feet ill a Minute, while at in the vacuum tube 4 4, " feet 1 11, 1 : 1 0,eh But this excess was, In his opinion, attribut , o k tne wa , of more, to the pump than to the connecting pipe. ;14,44:asetio i Pi rking very ot eleciently when a lie was at Dalkey, but tie ‘ Pe need n be more than very short length. He klit,7 s ' , is to the Croydon Committee a year ago, and had been v t'k e tct of their investigation. He had then stated that 4 S k : t O D - 4 O r i the train on the Dalkey line was at its maximum, c444.4e.114 tfedaintolehftimt thattheTvheelorceict s l a v c w cumulating at the y er w ta a in as a slight aceeles. ' 1e. 4 th . he tube. I NAit b ea 4 4, he attributed to the diminished friction which had Z i lle; t 4t ° tit * : M . Mr. Hawkesley's formula, and the year he .' e t , th e _ t rain approached the engine. Last year , e, le e „. w hole of the loss of power to leakage, but at that 1 4 " 1 : " 1 .;_nothing of friction. The only difference be ,,,k.y ,p etttitence then and now was, that the loss of velocit ld y IN ht.t he ,uted to two elements instead of one. He cou It i k 4 Of th ' the result of friction was to be ascribed to the ex. tti..,tt t tli t s l zaii;, ,euitri e b o y f the pumping engine, or whether it was . the e the piston is the tube. The motion of t le t hl l ,k i h r t- 1 3' the effect of propulsion and partly the effect litt,Stlani, Wast of the motion of the air, at the first stroke Il s "lt,,'O th„ equal to the force of the stroke. But this would I 114 t 4 N eal ' first column of air which the pump commanded, k :,41 4 1:1 th e 4441 would not move at all, except to an attenuation r t:ith 41 d te va earley left by the air drawn out. The leakage in 'l t‘ Lthe h l 'aeity of the air would be indicated by the height 0 "lON a aror net \A ik t 13, he er stood respectively at the engine and on the 0 'ti e te t °l net e 7 a single ratio. Indeed, be could.not see the use I , tS herl o. f th ts at all, but if one only were used, the depressing If t lo t ' t . th e , ti e Mercury in the earometer would indicate the O% en ti r l o the tube, and consequently its density. The 1 k itt: t oce t Z, w as certainly not so efficient a machine for tree os`te ''ttaen -ttlf e• On a small railway of 5 or 6 miles in length, IL tt le e th csi„ tip a the , ° atmospheric principle allowed of an economical i i VOL, 4 4 4r oher of trains. He had stated that the locomo t '4, 4 ten . t ots , 1 e t i t obliged to bend to public convenience, but he If t v, th . Lt 4 y b re, h o e Public had ever been obliged to bend to the L'i t ait te ad ed e * ever true that the London and Birmingham teNt, rani L eni sed ' th t the express trains would consist only ' s *4 , 4ll:,l4 ll tAlt t ' i te _ ll cei t ! t sa li f i carriages . .He dared to say that it would ii, er *ell rd.class carriages could be taken by the e . x et 4 . i t , i 4 Ing Wit as the first-class carriages. There was a diffi. IV k t hs h 4 h b 4 large number of passengers on particular \ t he it% 0, 0 1 1 ,Clu e , ter not wish to start-quick locomotive trains 1 04 ;' r is t r „ of an hour from each other, but he thought 0 0 1 : 41 1 t : t .li 4 '441 4 ha Would be equally dangerons. In the event of ✓ k t i ti t . t he st op " the same time, and to overrun, and not to tel te t S t be t t e t the De p i ng Places, there would be a danger of collision, 1 0 i ‘,0 .!ii, 4 - ` l lire eeo thta Were down or up he did not see that the e e ty.lre i t atire, eu • This would only happen at the crossings, l' a S i :, -t ttio ell the number of crossings, but he believed kb,,, 411 4 n Of Pi Pe - tes; Mi n . e l Pe would be a meeting-place. He was, e `tte t ,lie:ig its tothe . experience on . a . locomotive line ki'l 4 1 % Up en the atmospheric line ; and on a 0 yt, th e t4it y the locomotive principle, there was 1(1 4 4 e tet kit t ;, • bLl t if the man at the junction who had com t tkrit, t here tur fed them the wrong way the collision would J ,N,, frog . '''', as n e . NI - al io , Possibility of a train intended for one line ill le fa t . , thtcbe tine at an ordinary crossing-place, for in order e.• i te l, , e t _ ate, ' to the other the engine would have to be re. id lett ' l l ' gradie nt tvt,, t h, n _lt 1 0 , 0 _ 6 the atmospheric principle had the ad 'l II le t at7at tt . " ° tlve line the engine would slip the moment fs 1 4 fli t lo 'gee s 1° a (1 - They assumed the engine at tl6 tons 01 hi 1. 'gee at 35 , so Ai. N il , b, that the tractive power exerted was f N I .. 014 °Uiy i that had merely reference to expenditure re ;ti‘he graspt a i n fuel, end velocity, An engine such r Nt,,N 4 ktet4 44 4 , in on a plane of 1 in 330 at forty mites an 0 0 ' ocokiii• Tat' ' 4 , I in 100 is equal to about 52 feet in a di* hatter. .,,3._,,,: :; , t t a li :s power would basely take itself up at et. Il adiere 5 the atmospheric principle lay in 4 b ut -., and it ;route, of course, overcome easier ' 11 1 1 01 4 1 011 g line, he thought that it was not only commercially disadvantageous, but mechanically undesirable. Locomotive engines could work up gradients of 1 in 100, but at a very reduced speed. To Mr. M. MILNES, Mr. Stephenson stated that be had con templated a combination of the locomotive and atmospheric prin ciples on the line which he had charge of from Tring to Worcester, where, going up to Dudley, there would be a gradisnt of 1 in SO over about five miles of road ; but lie had found it very expensive. He had taken his estimates of cost from Mr. Cubitt's evidence, and coincided with him in the opinion that 67,0001. would be sufficient for the stationary engines. But in the estimate for the vacuum tube he differed, as he thought that it ought to be 4,500/. instead of 4,5001. He based a calculation of 5001. per mile for water to supply the stationary engines, for they ex. pended 6,0001. for the engine at Blackwell, and 3,0001. for the wells at Camden.town. He did not, however, know what facilities there existed . for the supply of the water on the proposed line. The engine at Camden town was constructed by the Messrs. Maudslay, and worked expansively, but not so much as it might da, and he could not say whether it was more expansive than the engine at Dalkey ; but he thought that not a single instance could be adduced of a stationary engine being worked for so little as Samuda had stated, and he believed that the extra expense on the atmospheric line would be above 9,0001. He was not aware that, exclusive of the electric telegraphic, the points and crossings and the valve, the two lines were about equal, but such might be the case. He did not think that it would be fair to take the number of trains into consideration, because the weights carried by the locomotive trains was so much greater as to render them in effect on a par with the greater number of trains on the atmospheric line. To the inquiries of Mr. OCwALL, Mr. Stephenson stated that there was no opportunity of judging of the power of stopping en the Dalkey line, for after the train left the tube it went up a plane of 1 in 50 so that in fact it was going up hill, but in his experiments they had failed in obtaining any great facility in stopping. In starting he certainly thought the atmos pheric principle had something of an advantage. . . . To the re examination of Mr. M. Smith the witness stated that, in his estimation of working expenses, he had taken the traffics on both lines as equal. With respect to the opinion expressed by the promoters that the Dalkey line he could say that he had fully considered the reasons alleged, and was quite decided in his opinions, especially as he was confirmed by the formula of Mr. Hawkesley and the experiments of Mr. Samuda, which had been published since his own. The connecting tube at Dalkey was a solid cast-iron pipe, and was covered with tar, so that there was every care taken to prevent leakage. and he believed that a large quantity of the leakage was to be ascribed to the pump. The same cause would equally operate whether the pipe were long or short, and the leakage was pretty uniform throughout the whole length of the line. With respect to the number of trains, they must of necessity be restricted to the number of crossing placeii ;'but 12 or 15 trains a day might be worked with tolerable facility. That, however, depended upon the equability with which the trains worked, and he thought it would be practically impossible to secure perfect equability through out. The objections of the Atmospheric line were chiefly to the single line, for that was subject to all those overshootings and collisions of which he had spoken. In stating that the peculiar advantage of the atmospheric triumph lay in the power of overcoming steep gradients, he meant to assert that credit was due to the rope which drew, as well as to the air which propelled the train. He had founded his statements on Mr. Samuda's tables, as well as his own, in fact, on both sets of tables. Mr. Locke, the eminent engineer, stated that he had paid con siderable attention to the atmospheric principle, and had read most that :had been written on the subject, though he had not been to Dalkey. He had read Mr. Stephenson's report, and :perfectly agreed with his conclusions. He had paid attention to the gradients on the direct line, and in the event of the atmospheric principle proving a failure it might be converted into a locomotive line, but it would be a very bad one as the gradients on one.half of the line varied from 1 in 80 to 1 in 100. The increase of the length of the tube would have the effect of decreasing the mean velocity as the breakage would be greater, and the friction greater, and the els inerthe of the atmosphere would be more difficult to overcome. The velocity of the motion of the air in the tube was greater the nearer the engine was ap proached, and the further the recession was towards the piston the less; and the rushing of the air from the neighbour hood of the piston towards the other end of the pipe occasioned a friction of the particles of the air amopg them selves, and thus retarded the piston and, conseqUenny, the train' He did not think that a single atmospherie line could at all afford the same accommodation as a double locomotive line. The expense of the Chichester Railway for a double line, taking the main line and excluding contingencies, was 17,415/. a mile. On the lit toospheric single the expense would be 16,650/. a mile ; but if the latter was a double line, it would cost more than 20,0001 a mile. The Htmospheric tubes would cost 270,0001. Twenty engines at 4,0001-100,0061.—and four brossing en gines, 20,0001., and other engines as much more. This made, the whole coat of the way would be 420,000/. But from this, limre was to be deducted the cost of 30 locomotive engines, at a rate of 1,7501. each, making a total of 52,000/. There was also 20,0004 for sheds and repairing, and 27,0001. for the other charges, making altogether 100,0001., which, deducted fram the gross sum, gave 320,000/. for the estAlishment of the atmospheric power. The interest of this would be 16,000/. a year. Now, the whole expense for haulage on the Guildford and Chichester line would be 15,7441., so that the whole expense of the latter would be less than the mere interest for the establishment of the atmospheric power. With respect to the passage of trains, he found from experience that there were certain hours of the day which the public preferred, and at which the trains must necessarily be large. There was also a great adaptability to the locomotive principle to supply the sudden and unexpected traffic and to answer an its variety. He thought that the traffic of the Epsom line would be as much as that railway could carry, and when the other traffic came upon it he believed that they would have great difficulty in meeting it, and at the time of Epsom races, it would be im possible, especcially when the North Kent traffic came on the line at Sydenham. With respect to the crossings, he believed the danger on the atmospheric line would be decidedly greater than on the locomotive line, particularly as the trains come into the stations at the top of their speed. They could certainly cut off the tube, but great precision would be required; and they must either let off the velocity, or the velocity would involve a certain degree of danger. With regard to haulage, there were 37 tons of coals consumed at Dudley daily, which was equal to 411 horses; and applying that to 150 honor power, h• found that In stead of being 50.• 7.10 •it was 7d. 5.10. With respect to the men at the station he had doubled them, for he was con& fident that for the mail trains they would be necessary. The whole expense of the haulage would by these means be increased from 71d. to Is. a mile per train. On the Dalkey Railway the cost of haulage amounts to Is. a mile, where the trains were lighter than they proposed to have the trains on this line. The whole expense actually Incurred on the Dalkey Railway was 1,4804, and, giving the atmospheric railway every advantage, he found that the expense of haulage would be ls. a mile. On loco motive lines the expenses of haulage was from l Id. to 11 id. per mile, and on this all the great lines agreed. Taking the estimate as in tons, the cost would be three times in favour of the locomo. Ave principle, from the greater weight they could carry by one rain. The Committee here adjourned. GROUP P. THZ ABERDARE RAILWAY. The Committee assembled this morning at the usual hour, and proceeded with the further consideration of the clauses to be inserted in the Bill. Mr. WILLIAMS appeared to request the Committee to allow the clause which had reference to the passage of the railway through the lands belonging to Mr. Crasham Bayley might be struck out, and he proposed to insert a new clause, which should have re ference to all the owners of land who were placed in a similar po. sition as Mr. Bailey with regard to the passage of the railway. The clause, atter some little discussion, was agreed to, and ordered to stand part of the Bill. Sir T. PHILLIPS appeared to support the petition of Mr. Powell, who leased lands from Mr. Bruce Price, and intended shortly to sink a coal mine in the vicinity of the railway. He wished to have sufficient accommodation afforded to him for the transmission of his coals, and for that purpose required the Company either to bring their railway close to his land, or to make a branch from the pit, or to allow him the power of making a branch to the railway. The clause, with amendments, was agreed to. _ . . The remaining portion of the day was occupied entirely pith the passing of clauses connected with the arrangement of tolls, and the interests of landowners. The Cc romittee then adjourned uliOL1 ) EILEVIASH VALLEY RAILWAY. The Committee on this group met shortly after 12 o'clock this morning, and re-committed the Bill authorising the construction of the Erewash Valiey Railway, for the purpose of agreeing to the amendments introduced into the preamble. A clause was inserted in the Bill, giving the promoters power to make the negatived branches, provided they could obtain the con. sent of the landholders through which it would pass, and also giving the Company a right of way over the Erewash Canal. The remaining clauses were agreed to, and the Chairman having been directed to report the Bill as amended, the Committee broke up. GROUP X. cAranizancm AND laNCOLN StAILWAY. Major Hanley, of Boston, was the first witness called at the sitting of the Committee this day—His opinion was, that the Cam. bridge and Lincoln line would be much more convenient and use ful for all purposes to that part of the country than the London and Yorkshire. To Mr. Sergeant KINOLAILE—Was also in favour of the Cam bridge and Lincoln line, because it was a line capable of being cheaply constructed. Mr. Wm. Parker, J.P.—Resides near Bourne. Was in favour of the Cambridge and Lincoln line, because it passed through the centre of a country capable of great fertility, and would afford much accommodation to a large population, which was annually increas ing. The line would pass through a district called the Black Sluice, which was a continuous level of 100,000 acres. There is now a Bill before Parliament for draining and improving the Black Sluice navigation. _ The entire day was taken up with the production of witnesses whose testimony was of a character precisely similar to the fore going, and presented no new feature whatever, and varying only as to the locality from whence the witnesses came, all of whom concurred in the general opinion that the Cambridge and Lincoln scheme would be productive of great benefits to the whole district through which it was to pass, benefits which they contended could not be the result of the formation of the London and York line. THE SIT I‘l, LONDON, THURS'DA:I EVENING, JUNE 19, 1845. The North Wales Railway Bill was read a third time, and passed. 'The Hartlepool Pier and Ports Bill was real a third time, and passed. The Lords' Amendments to th,l Hudlersfield and Sheffield Junction Railway Bill were agreed to. The North Woolwich Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. The Lords' amendments to the Dunstable and London and Birmingham Railway Bill were agreed to. The Lords' Amendments to the Leeds and Bradford Exten sion (Shirley to Colne) Railway Bill were arced to. The Duke of Argyle's Estate Bill was read a third time and passed. The Lords' Amendments to the Leicester Freemen's Allot ments Bill were agreed to. The Staleybridge Waterworks Bill was read a third 'time and passed. _ _ The Eastern Union and Bury St. Edmunds. Railway (No. 2) Bill was read a third time and paned. The Dundalk and Enniskillen Railway Bill was read a third time and passed Lord A ,HLEY presented petitions from diffevent parts of Lancashire in favour of a Ten flours Bill. The Waterfprrd and Limerick Railway Bill was read a third time and pa , sed. The Lords' Amendments to the Leeds and Dewsbury and Manchester Railway Bill were agreed to. The Wolverhampton Waterworks Bill was read a third time and passed. The Glasgow, Paisley, and Kilmarnock Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. The Whitehaven and Furness Junction Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. J. O'CONNELL presented numerous Petitions, from Dublin and other places, against the plan of academical educa tion proposed by the Government. The total number of sig natures was near 30,000. Sir R. FERGUSON moved that the proceedings upon the Coleraine and Londonderry Railway Bill be postponed until to-morrow.—Agreed to. ➢IESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. Messengers from the House of Lords brought up several Rills. COMMONS INCLOSURE AND DRAINAGE OF LANDS BILLS. The Earl of LINCOLN said that as the adjourned debate would no doubt occupy the greater part of the night, he would suggest that the second reading of the:ie two gills be now taken without discussion, and that any of its principles be taken into consideration at the bringing up of the report. The Bills were then severally read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Thursday next. COLLEGES (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN would ask a question of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary for the Home Department, as it was not likely that the House could go into Committee on the Collegiate Education Bill that night, what other day he could name. Sir JAMES GRAHAM replied, that he would fix next Monday for going into Committee on the Bill. SCOTCH POOR-LAW. In answer to a question from Mr. FOX MAULE, Sir J. GRAHAM said that, in the absence of the Lord Ad vocate, he could not say whether it weuld be possible to pro ceed with the Poor-law Rill for Scotland on Monday next. NEW ZEALAND—THE ADJOURNED DEBATE. Mr. ELLICE said he could not allow the present ques tion to pass over without offering a few remarks upon it. He would consume very ltttle of the time of the House by going back into any details which had been discussed before. With respect to the past, he thought he might state that, in the course of a long experience—nearly 40 years—with the colo nies and colonial administration of this empire, he had never seen such a want of foresight, system, and common sense as had been exhibited by the Government since the commencement of these New Zealand transactions. He had been one of an association of gentlemen invited by his lamented friend Lord Durham to consider the expediency of opening a communication with the islands of New Zealand. Application was made to the Crown for protection to that undertaking. He subscribed his share of the funds necessary for the undertaking, but having ascertained that it was impossible to obtain protection from the Govern ment, and that even a charter was denied to the gentlemen who had commenced that undertaking, he withdrew imme diately from it, not desiring to be responsible for carrying into a remote wilderness, and without the protection of the controul of the law, settlers from this country. Beyond this he had interfered no further. Arid here let him say that he was indebted to the present Company for the re payment of the money he had advanced to the former Company, one shilling of which he never expected to receive ; but beyond this he knew nothing whatever of the present Company.— sfear, hear.) He would say, then, that it would be impossibn for him to approve of the resolution appointing the present Company, for he con ceived it was a wrong act on the part of those who were instru mental in sending out to that savage isl.nd those emigrants, and it was equally wrong in the Government to have permitted it, without giving to them the protection and safeguard of the law. But while he held that opinion he should also state that he conceived the New Zealand Company had done a great deal of good ; and the discussion that the affair had created in this House was the result of the pressure from without, and the result would be to compel the Government to act with caution and circumspection in future. He did think it was the duty of the authorities of this country to have taken care that the settlement of strangers in that Island should have been made as little irksome to the natives as possible. But instead of that, the Government of this country had made confliction parties of the Missionaries and the New Zealand Company, and the New Zealand Company against the missionaries, and all these differences only tended to defeat the object it should have been their duty to promote.—( Hear, hear.) In fact, to hear this question spoken of as it had been in this House, one would scarce believe that they were in an assembly of reasonable men. When we had acquired a colony, it had been the acknowledged principle, that all the land which was not in the occupation of the natives, or of persons to whom they had made made real transfers of it should be considered the property of the owner.—( Hear, hear.) An supposing it were otherwise, still for she good of the natives themselves, for the advantage of the colony, and for the general benefit of mankind, that the Crown should assume that right.—( Hear, hear,) His Right Honourable Friend the Member for Oxford had spoken in hig I:, he would not say exaggerated, terms of the labours of the missionaries. But yet it could not he denied that there had been in the part of some of them an attempt to add to their duty in spreading Christianity, too rea-ty a yielding to the temptation to acquire property.—( Hear, hear.) He thought that whatever title in land should be recog nised, that title should be held under the Crown, and not under any sham treaty.—( Hear, bear.) Was it to be said, that in consequence of such a treaty these fine islands were to remain waste until it should be convenient to the Crown to purchase the land from those wretched natives? Of all the devices that could have been practised in a national assembly, that surely was the greatest which asserted that 50,000,000 or 70,000,000 of acres, such as was compre hended in the island of New Zealand, should be taken from the original possessors by the Government under a base delusion. He would urge the Administration, therefore, if they would not fall under the odium of adopting that device, to say what was their interpretation of th e treaty of Wa i tangi. Differ ences as to its meaning were entertained by Honour able Gentlemen on his side of the House, and among others the Noble Member for London, from the Gentlemen on the benches opposite. It must be de cided now, and for ever, whether estate could take land on its own right or give tobacco and Jews-harps for it. The way in which everything hitherto had been done in the island was to mar prosperity, and to destroy an infant and pdreosmireising colony.—(Hear, to discuss thmisf hear.)o rtunes B of t u h t e past , t ta ,v but s not h e his had risen rather to inquire the intentions of the Government for the future. Did they mean to continue the island of New Zealand a penal colony, and govern it as such ? Are the people not to be allowed to govern themselves? And was it in tended to establish any, and if so, what institutions, there ? We have seen all the mischief that had resulted from the con fused policy respecting New Zealand. When the Government were called upon to state their opinion on the subject, was it satisfactory to state that no change was intended in the administration of the colonial affairs. He considered that Captain Fitzroy had not acted very judiciously in the expe dients to which he had resorted, but the Chancellor of the Exchequer had stated it was a difficult matter to make man in a foreign country responsible for every action which he might see it to perform, which his wisdom or experience might dictate. He would, not, however, say one word against Cap tain Fitzroy, notwithstanding the errors of which he had been guilty. He wished to ask the Right Hon. Secretary for the Home Department upon what principle he intended to govern New Zealand? what encouragement did they mean to give to the colony. The hon. member for Leominster, who had dis tinguished himself by the speech he had made last night, suggested that the Government should purchase the colony from off the hands of the New Zealand Coin patty. He objected, however, to this co ur se , as in the first place, it would cost a great deal of mone y ; an d , in the second place, the New Zealand Compa n y wer e better acquainted with the country than any new governing body could be, and he thought they were still capable of pro tecting and increasing the interests of the colonists. Tell the New Zealand Company what was to be their legitimate station as landowners, and what was their present situation with re spect to natives and settlers. Let the Government tell them this distinctly. The colony had already entailed on the Go vernment considerable expense, which was likely to be still further increased. It had been said that a regiment of troops was to be sent out. He wished the Honourable Mem ber for Montrose was here to take that fact under his especial revision. The expense of sending out a regiment of troops included various charges of commissariat, victualling staff, and other expenses. The expense at the lowest wou ld be b , 100,0001., and the country would be unnecessarily saddled with it. The evil consequences of misgovernment were now rife in New Zea'and. LIAM SPIAKING. I PROTEST AGAINST THE THIRD READING OF THE bIAYNOOTH BILL. Dissentient— ]. Because I ho:d it to be contradictory to the first principles of the Reformation to provide for the establishment of au order of men to be educated for the express purpose of resisting and defeat ing that Reformation—men whose office and main duty it will be to disseminate and to perpetuate those very corruptions of the Christian faith which the Church of England has solemnly abjured, and some of which the whole Legislature of England has declared to be superstitious and idolatrous. 2. Because the most unbounded toleration of religious error does not require us to provide for the maintenance and the growth of that error, but rather imposes upon us a strong obligation to pre vent by all just and peaceful means its increase, and to discourage its continuance. 3. Because this measure has a tendency to raise in the public mind a belief that religious truth is a matter of indifference to the State; and by consequence to subvert that principle of succession to the throne, which is the title of the present dynasty, and which forms an integral and essential part of the Constitution of this kingdom. E. LLANDAFF. C. WINTON. C L A NC ARTY. C. J. LONDON. J. B. CHESTER. R. CASHEL, &c. WINCHILSEA and NOTTINGHAM. CADOGAN. THE ROUND CHURCH AT CAMBRIDGE.—The hand some iron palisading in front of this edifice Is now completed, and presents a very Imposing appearance. The communion table and altar rails have also been put up, and the church will shortly be re- Opened for service. LAW INI ELLIGENCE. COURT OF COMMON PLEAS, June 18. (Sittings at Nisi Prius, before Mr. Justice ERIE, and Special Juries.) O'CONNELL V. PAYNE ►ND OTHERS. This was an action for libel, in which William John O'Connel was Plaintiff, and the registered proprietors of the Morning Post defendants. Mr. Sergeant Shee and Mr. Percival Banks appeared for the plaintiff; Mr. Sergeant Talfourd and Mr. Boothby for the de fendants. _ _ To the libel set forth in the declaration the defendants pleaded the general issue, which in this action amounts to not guilty, putting in issue two facts fur the jury—first, the publication; secondly, whether the matter published was or was not libellous. The alleged libel wrisp as follows CONFUSION IN IHE LONDON REPEAL CAMP.—Mr, W. J. The following noblemen and distinguished officers were of the party : —Field-Marshal his Royal Highness Prince Albert, Colonel of the Scots Fusilier Guards; his Excellency Prince Castelcicala, the Neapolitan Minister; his Excellency Count Klelmansegge, the Hanoverian Minister; General the Marquis of Anglesey, Colonel of the Royal Horse Guards (blue), K.G., G.C.8., and G.C.H.; General the Right Hon. Sir James Kempt, Colonel of the 2d Foot, G.C.8., and G.C. H. ; General Lord Strafford, Co lonel of the 9.9 th Foot, G.C.8., and G.C.H. ; Lieut.. Gen. the Right Hon. Sir F. Adam, Colonel of the 21st Foot, G.C.B. and G.C. M.G. ; Lieut.-Gen. Sir Edward Kerrison, Bart., Colonel of the 14th Dragoons, G.C.B. and G.C.H.; Lieutenant-General Sir Andrew Barnard, Colonel Commandant of the Rifle Brigade, G.C.B. and G.C.H. ; Lieutenant-General Sir Henry Arkew, late Grenadier Guards, C. 8.; Lieutenant-General Sir George A. Quentin, K. C.H. ; Lieutenant-General Sir A. Woodford, Colonel of the 40th Foot, K.C.B. and G.C. M.G. ; Lieutenant-General Lord Fitzroy Somerset, Colonel of the 53d Foot, K.C.8.; Lieutenant-General Sit- James hlacdonell, Colonel of the 79th Foot, K.C.B. and K.C.H. ; Lieutenant-General J. W, Sleigh, Colonel of the 9th Dragoons, C. 8..; Lientenant.General Sir A. B. Clifton, Colonel of the Ist Dragoons, K.C.B. and K.C.H. ; Major-General the Hon. E. P. Lygon, Colonel of the 13th Dra goons, C. 8.; Major-General Sir John G. Woodford, K.C.B. and K.C. H. ; Major-General Sir George Scoell, K.C.B. ; Major-General Lord Saltoun, K.C.B. and G.C.H.; Major-General H. Wyndham; Major-General Sir Edward Bowater, K.C.H.; Major. General H. D'Oyley ; Major-General Sir A. Cameron, K.C.8.; Major-Gen. Sir J. May, K.C.B. and K.C.H. ; Major-General James Hay, C.B. ; Major-General Sir H. D. Ross, K.C.8., Adjutant-General to the Royal Artillery ; Major-General John Webber, Smith, C.B. ; Major-General Sir R. Gardiner, K.C.8., and K.C.H. ; Major- General D. Mercer, C.B. ; Colonel E. Cheney, C.B. ; Colonel R. Llewellyn, C. 8.; Colonel A. Money, C.B. ; Colonel R. Eger ton, C.B. ; Colonel J. C. Bouchier ; Colonel J. B. Parker, C.B. ; Colonel Campbell, C.B. ; Colonel J. Grant, C.B. ; Colonel T. W. Taylor, C.B. ; Colonel F. Calvert, C.B. ; Colonel M. Childers, C.B. ; Colonel W. Drummond; Colonel A. Macdonald, C.B. ; Colonel W. Rowan, C.B. ; Colonel G. Bowles ; Colonel Allix ; Colonel Lotd J. F. H. Somerset ; Colonel W. Walton ; Colonel J. Martin ; Colonel Sir J. Thackw ell, Colonel of the 3d Dragoons, K.C.B. and K.C.H. ; Colonel E. Wildman ; Colonel M. Maxwell Wallace, K.H. ; Colonel W. G. Moore; Colonel the Hon. 0. Anson ; Colonel Lord Sandy; ; Colonel Stowell ; Colonel C. P. Ellis ; Colonel the Hon. G. Cathcart; Colonel T. Wildman; Col. Gut wood; Colonel B. Drummond; Colonel F. R. Lascelles ; Col. Bowers ; Colonel Dyneley, C.B. ; Colonel L Boldero ; Colonel Robbins; ColonelJ. Oldfield, K.H. ; Lieutenant-Colonel the Hon. G. L. D. Darner; Lieutenant-Colonel H. Webster ; Lieutenant- Colonel the Hon. H. Montague ; Lieutenant-Colonel E. Bouverie ; Lieutenant-Colonel J. Cox; Lieutenant-Colonel G. Wilkins, C.B. and C.H., &c. The band of the Noble Duke's regiment were in attendance, and played during dinner a selection of favourite music, After the removal of the cloth, the customary toasts were pro posed, and the company separated about ten o'clock. Since the last anniversary the following officers present at the battle have died :—Lieutenant.General Lord Harris, Major. Gen eral Clement Hill, Major-General John Fremantle, Colonel Sir Charles Webb Dance, K.H., Colonel Sir George Charles Hoste, C. H., Colonel Edward Clive, Colonel Charles King, K.H., Colonel J. Logan, Lieutenant-Colonel Richard Croker, Lieutenant Colonel H. Baynes, K.H., Lieutenant-Colonel ♦lexander Burton, Lieu. tenant. Colonel Thomas Cox Kirby, Lieutenant-Colonel Lewis Car michael, &c. Several of these gallant officers were present at the Duke's dinner last year. The Duke of Wellington subsequently honoured Lady Fevers.. ham with his company at her Ladyship's ball in Belgrave.rquare. ACCIDENT ON THE GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY. &mums, WEDNESDAT.—Major-General Pasley, the Government inspector of railways, arrived here to.day, accompanied by Mr. Seymour Clarke, for the purpose of inspecting that portion of the line over which the carriages traversed yesterday, previously to their being thrown over the embankment, between the Langley station and the Dog.kennel.bridge. We may state, without anti. cipating the report which the Government inspector will make, that no defects were discovered in the line of rails to have caused the ac cident. The up-line was opened for carriages by one o'clock yesterday, within about three hours after the accident occurred. The down line, the rails of which had to be newly laid down for a considerable distance, in consequence of the injuries they had sustained, was cleared and opened in time for the train which left Paddington for Bristol at five o'clock yester day afternoon. By dint of the extraordinary exertions of upwards of 100 men, and a large number of horses, the second.class carriage and the two fi rs t- c l ass carr i ages w hi c h were lying in the field of Mr. J. Nash, and the second class carriage which rested on the declivity, were dragged up the embankment, 15 feet in height, and " righted" upon the rails, by 1 o'clock this morning. They were then takeen on to Slough, where they were transferred to the up-line, and thence conveyed to Paddington, where they were inspected by Major-Gen, Pasley previously to his proceeding to Slough. The wheels of the luggage andrails, va , w i h c h i c ca u w . ed a s t t h h e e w h fi o r l scarriage e t o f ti,em w s c h h i i c e h f, got und eorffw minute examination. No defect.., however, prior to the accident, were discovered. Sir Richard Rawlinson Vyvyan, the Member fir Helston, who was in the train yesterday at the time of the accident, and who was severely cut upon the forehead, is fast recovering from the effects of his injuries. Sir Richard still remains at the Royal Hotel, and was visited last evening by his brother, from town. Dr. Strong (who sustained an injury in the knee) and Mr. Bristow (whose shoulder was dislocated), who still remain with their families at the Royal Hotel, are convalescent. Mr., Mrs., and Miss Shute, of Southwell- park, Tewkesbury, with a female servant, who were in a first-class carriage which turned twice over in descending the embankment, providentially es caped uninjured. They immediately proceeded with post-horses to Tewkesbury. . To the extraordinary strength of both the first and second.class carriages, which, tkough very much damaged and shattered, stood the shock so as to enable the passengers to move freely in them, may be attributed the preservation of the lives of the numerous passengers which were placed in the most imminent peril. The galvanic telegraph between Slough and Paddington, which had been damaged, and rendered for the tune utterly useless, by the wires and posts having been severed and broken, was repaired during the night, and by nine o'clock this morning it was again in full operation. ' ' To give some idea of the extraordinary speed at which the express train was proceeding at the moment of the upset of the carriages, we may mention that the preceding mile was " timed" by Mr. Bristow, of Haverfsrdwest, and it was gone over in only 59. seconds, being at the rate of between 69 and 70 ranee per hour. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF COMMONS, June 18. NEW ZEALAND—ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the reading of the order of the day for resuming the de bate on Mr. C. Buller's motion respecting New Zealand, Captain ROUS said it was mot his fault that the subject had not been brought before the House at an earlier period. His object was to give the Directors of the New Zealand Com pany an oportunity of explaining the charges which he and others had brought against them. He begged to compliment the Hon. and Learned Gentleman for the able speech which be made last night on bringing forward the subject, and regretted of pure philanthropy. He said that the New Zea landersthat he had we re attack e dcann canniba l s a l t hse andC o l onnoi notorious - r person of a gen tlemansirous of bringing them to a state of civibsation.7( A laugh. ) l'offiusee.hienrst,heirnd that he was His Hon. Friend had given them terrible descriptions of the New Zealanders. which the y did not deserve. The other day he met Mr. Brown e, who informed him that last year he saw 400 acres of wheat enti rel y cultivated b y the natives, and the y were able to sell the produce at 2s. per . bushel. He stated this to show the state of civilisation at which they had arrive d. The character of the East Anglians, in the time of Julius part s country and n try Gallant for c Memberommerc commercial then purposes. wdetailCresar, would correspond with that g iv en by the Hen. and L earn ed Gentleman of the New Zealanders of the present day into a detail of various negotiations whi c h had, from time to time, been made with the New Zealanders on nt In 1834 they received a British flag f rom Captain etaem. The Honourable bert, of When the New Zealand Company was f of (as we understood) h er Majesty'sortned ship Trafalgar. Ih. in 1838, the former society was merged into the new one, and 40,0001. worth of the new trade was made over to the old shareholders. Now he should be glad to know what consideration war given for the 40,0001., for if he was not grievously mistaken, at the time the new Company was established, the original societ y was not possessed of land in New Zealand that was worth more than 100/. in the market. When Colonel Wakefield went out, twelve ships followed him, which carried out 216 cabin passengers and 900 labourers ; and it was a singular circumstance that these ships did not know their destination till they called at an interme diate port. These cabin passengers were persons who had been accustomed to the luxuries of life in their own country, and were landed on a barren land, amidst a population of savages, with scarcely any preparation for their reception. It was most ex traordinary what negotiations had been entered into with human beings of the lowest scale in existence, with respect to the purchase of land between the 41st and 43d degree of latitude— ( A laugh )—just as if they knew the meaning of such terms. Mr. Carrington, the agent of the New Zealand Company, said that the purchase-money was never paid, and that the promises of the New Zealand Company were looked upon with the greatest distrust. The nature of the articles that passed in these negotiations was rather strange, comprising knives, spoons, combs, and no less than 144 Jews'-harps. In 1839 Lord Normanby appointed Captain Hobson governor of the colony, and sent out orders, graphic in composition, but not very sound in principle. (The lion. Member here read ex tracts from the document in question, which, from his posi tion, his back being turned to the gallery, were wholly inaudible.) If they, instead of issuing such choice instruc tions, had laid an embargo on the Company's ships. and not put—to use a homely expression—the cart before the horse, and if the Governor, instead of withdrawing to an uninhabited corner of the island, had settled where the great mass of the population were collected, they would not have struck so fatal a blow to the vitality of the colony. By the treaty of Waitanga the natives were given all the rights and privileges of Englishmen, and a right and title to their lands, but the Governor turned round and said to them, " You shall not sell your land to an Englishman nor to a native, but to me, at 75 per cent.," so that it was absurd to say that they had endowed them with the privileges of British subjects. What right had they to exact such a monstrous tax as this from the unfortunate natives? Then the Government could not grant lands to the New Zealand Company which they themselves did not possess. No one in that House, or in the country, could understand the difficulties which any one, placed in a responsible situation in New Zealand. hail to con tend with. When Captain Fitzroy went out he found the treasury bankrupt, the colonial accounts neglected, that th e English had fled before the natives in an engagemer:t, and that 5,6001., out of a debt of 25,0001., were owing to Cl es ern ment officers. Placed then in such an embarrassing pseition, he (Captain Rous) considered that he had acted to the best of his ability—that he could not have acted better than he had done for the public good. He had another charge against the New Zealand Company respezting the harbour duties which they had imposed, and which had had the effect of driving ships from the ports of the colony to those of the Society Islands, and, besides, no country being so well adapted for smuggling, tobacco was sold by many of the natives at a shilling a pound, whilst honest shopkeepers could scarcely sell it at 2s. It was so with spirits, which were easily smuggled into the colony, and sold at reduced prices, so great were the facilities offered to smugglers. Would it not be more just to abolish duties which gave so inefficient a protection to the revenue, and to adopt in their place a property-tax. Capt. Fitzroy was blamed for not bringing the parties who took a part in the Wairou mas sacre, to justice. Why he did not arrive in New Zealand until a year after that occurrence. As he could not try the parties he thought it best to virtually acquit them. He believed that Capt. Fitzroy would gain golden opinions before he died. for his conduct in New Zealand. Then the New Zealand Company had received a large sum of money illegally, for they disposed of great quantities of land, and realised large sums of money before their charter was granted. They stated that their capital was 300,000 e whereas it did not exceed 16t),0001. His next charge was equally serious, because it was their duty as Gentlemen to protect those who suffered from it. ( The Gallant Member then read a statement published by the New Zealand Company, stating that emigrants on their arrival in the colony would find the officer of the Company ready to give them useful advice and employment in the ser vice of the Company.) Was not this a strong inducement to ablebodied men to leave this country? Instead, however, of carrying out the promises which they put forward the agent of the Company found that he could not give those who had gone out sufficient employment, and was obliged to send them twent miles into the interior for the purpose of being employed in the clearing of land; but they returned at the end of a week wear of the employment to which they had been sent, and means had to be taken to obtain suitable employment for them from landholders who were paid by the Company for this purpose. These then were his charges against the Company, and all he could say was that if they were unfounded—that the documents which he-had read were not true, he should be happy to make an ample apology for having brought them before the House. With respect to the report of the House of Commons, he had given notice of a motion to the effect—that the Company had acted irregularly in disposing of land to emigrants in the mariner they did. He was sure neither side of the House would allow the rights and privileges of the British Crown to be trampled upon, and he therefore relied with confidence upon their agreeing with him. that a factious party like the New Zealand Company ought not to be allowed to trample and tyrannise over those whom they had unfortunately got:into their control. Mr. AGLIONBY would not deny that he had some pecu niary interest in the New Zealand Company, and perhaps it would be thought unbecoming in him to take part in the de bate, but he could assure the House that the considerations which had induced him to join the New Zealand Society were far from being of a pecuniary nature. He had allied himself with the Society at the earnest entreaties of a number of re spected friends, who had represented to him the good the co lony was likely to do to a number of poor persons in this coun try, and having been now for three er four years connected with the Society, he could state that he had never for one moment regretted his alliance with it, because he believed he had all along been associated with an excellent body of ho nourable and high-minded men, for the purpose of carrying out what he believed to be a most benevolent object.—( Hear, hear.) The Gallant Officer had stated, in his usually clear and straightforward manner, the opinion he had formed of the proceedings and conduct of the New Zealand Company, and had no less frankly added that all he wanted was an explanation. He (Mr. Aglionby) fully believed him, and he could assure the Gallant Captain that his complaints were, one and all, founded on misapprehension ; but the present was neither a convenient nor an equitable time for him to enter into a vindication of the New Zealand Company. If he there fore merely now gave a plain and flat denial of the facts the Gallant Member had stated, it was from no disrespect for the character and integrity of the Gallant Officer, but because if he were to attempt any vindication he should be met by unpleasant and unfair assertions frem some Hon. Gentlemen who might have received information on the subject from the same source as the Gallant Officer, which would no doubt be followed by counter assertions from the Hon. Gentlemen con nected with the New Zealand Company, and thus the debate would resolve itself into a petty squabble of a personal nature.— ( Hear, hear.) But most of the points to which the Gallant Captain had alluded had been fairly investigated before a proper tribunal, and that investigation had resulted in the entire and unequivocal exoneration of the New Zealand Company. At the proper time, however, even in that House, which appeared to him (Mr. Aglionby) a most inconvenient tribunal for entering into details, he should be prepared to enter into full and minute explanations, but this could only be done by him when the House felt disposed to go into committee on the matter. The Gallant Officer had evidently a misconcep tion, too, of the financial circumstances of the New Zealand Company, or the Gallant Officer would never have ventured to make so bold and sweeping an assertion as that the Company had swindled large bodies of people out of their money and out of their land. He did not know where the Gallant Officer had collected his details, but he wished the Gallant Of f icer, before going into committee, would refer to the various papers and docu ments which had been published on the subject, and he was sure the Gallant Officer would find that he had fallen into error. But he could excuse the Gallant Officer, because it was quite evident to him that the Gallant Officer had been misled by parties who were in the habit of making Members of that Home vehicles for their own misrepresentations. Down to the time of Captain Hobson's arrival in the colony there was perfect harmony between the colonists and the natives ; so that they were, in fact, as one family. It was not yet too late to restore that state of things; but it could only be effected by an entire abandonment of the principles which have governed hitherto the colonial department of the Government. The colonists had suffered much. He hoped it was not too late to place them again in a state of security and prosperity. He implored the Government and the House not to go now into minute questions, but to consider the best means of promoting the interests of the settlers and the natives. He implored the House for God's sake to listen to the evidence on both sides, and not to be governed by the testimony of one party alone. Before he sat down he would refer to the case of Dr. Evans, who memorialised the Colonial-office, praying to be informed as to the position in which those settlers would be placed who had made purchases from the natives? The only answer he received was, that the Ministers were about to send out a new governor with full instructions. Was that a sufficient answer to an Englishman who had embarked all his property in settling his family in that country ?—(Hear, hear.) He again im plored the Government to reconsider their policy, and to take measures to promote the prosperity of the colony, and the wel fare of the country.—(Hear, hear. ) When th- lion. Member sat down, several Members rose to address the House, but upon repeated calls for the" new Mem ber," who rose at the same time, they gave way to Mr. BARFLY (of Leominster), who said, that although he had no present interest in the Company, he shared with every Member of the House in an anxious desire to see our colonies flourish, and the system of misgovernment which had so much depreciated their importance put an end to.--( Hear, hear.) He believed that the object of the New Zealand Company was to render a most valuable service to the country.—( Hear. ) Bus he did not think that any just complaint could be made against Lord Stanley or those who co-operated with him in the Colonial-office.—(Hear.) He was well acquainted with the mode of doing business in that office, and he could speak for the urbanity, politeness, and attention of the Noble Lord, and the Right Hon. Gentleman the Under-Secretary for the Colonies. He approved in the main of the Noble Lord's colonial policy, but he must express his regret, that the in consistent policy which was occasionally pursued at home, was followed in respect to our colonial possessions. The same policy which at one time encouraged the agriculturists to hope for a perpetual protection, and another time induce the free-traders to expect the speedy abolition of all protection was followed by giving to Canada a free importation of corn to this country. He would not undertake the defence of he thought that the New Zealand Com pany as a merely commercial body, but fate of a large body of our countrymen, settled in a distant land, had a claim upon the gr and inquest of the nation.— ( Hear, hear). He had no wish to at tach unnecessary blame to Captain Fitzroy, but he must beg to call the attention of the House to the deplorable change wbich had taken place in the feelings of the nation sin ce the arrival of that officer_ in the colony—the events which f ollowed the massacre of Wairou—to the unredeemable paper currency, and to unpunished murders. They ought to give the inhabitants of New Zealand something more of what resembled an Englishman's idea of a representa tive institution, instead of the council that at present existed. —(Hear, hear.) With regard to the settlers, they ought to send them a sufficient force to set their minds perfectly at ease with respect to themselves and their families, or make them friendly with the natives. With regard to the natives, there ought not to exist the slightest feeling against them ; he would have them treated with firmness, but at the same time with the greatest kindness. They ought to he treated as spoiled children. He did not admit that the provisions of the treaty should extend to the middle or sou th ern islands, ash ch erC altogether admitted to be quite exempt from it. ‘Vitl. respect to the missionary, he was not one of those who considered that the call of God and the conversion of the inhabitants nught not to be the first object in the colonisation of an island. He had some experience of missionaries, but the intolerance of uneducated men, as many of the missionaries were, ought not to be entirely depended upon. He would give to them all that was due to them as ministers of the Gospel, but he would justly suppress their desire to interfere in secular affairs.— ( Hear, hear.) Worldly aggrandisement was manifesting itself in too great a degree in the grants of land. With regard to the Company the Government ought to be prepared to buy up all that would be sufficient to give security to those who resided in New Zealand. They ought to increase the grant, and make it an humble instrument in raising New Zealand to that high and important position among the nations of the world, which it was destined to fill, when perhaps the institu tions of this country may be indebted to the perseverance and gratitude of the descendants of the New Zealanders. ( hear.) There were few subjects on which he would have felt it expedient to have troubled the House for such a length of time; he thanked the House for its attention.—(Cheers.) Mr. HOPE made a few observations in explanation, afte which Sir R. INGLIS said that though he was not one of those who were in the habit of complimenting young Members, he could not rise without congratulating the Hon. Member viho had just at down, on the tone, temper, and talent of the speech which he had just made.—( Hear, hear.) He could not, at the same time, say that he should concur with him in the conclusions which he had drawn, though be liked the manner in which he arrived at them. He would state how much he differed from the Hon. Member for Cockermouth, and still more from hi: lion. and Learned Friend, to whose speech he listened with perfect attention yesterday evening. The principal error in the speech of his Hon. Friend, and upon which he (Sir R. Inglis) held that the falsity of his conclusions entirely depended, was the assumption that when they were dealing with the New Zealanders, they were dealing with people with whom it was not possible nor fit that the people of England should put them selves on any species of equality. He described them as savages and cannibals, who, from their degraded state of ignorance, were totally incapable of appreciating the value of land, and truly incompetent to make a bargain, which they themselves professed to respect and desired to preserve. He was not prepared to come to the conclusion to which the Honourable Member wished to lead the House, that every acre of er which the natives had not carried the spade or plough was as much the property of the New Zealand Company, or of any first corner, as if that Company were purely and absolutely the inhabitants. Several years ago, when the question was first brought forward, he helieved in 18.38, he (Sir R. Inglis) was one of those who contended that they had no more right to pro fess to colonize new Zealand than they had a right to profess to colonize the kingdom of France. He made that statement tinder no anticipation that any Honourable Member would take that illustration, and adopt it as his own, as his Honourable Friend did last night. From the moment when, whether right or wrong, they reccgnized the independence of New Zealand, from that moment. they had no right to deal with it as 'he New Zealand Company now wished to deal with it.. The first discovery of a country was sufficient to give the nation which had discovered it the right of pre-occupancy as against all other nations, but never had it been contended that they hail a right to claim property as against the inhabitants of the soil. How different was that from the doctrine which his Honourable Friend laid down last night? lie said that the New Zealanders had no idea of the sale of property, and then he rather incon sistently proceeded to maintain the statements of the New Zealand Company with respect to the purchase which they had made from those whom, by his admission, knew nothing of the sale of property. It was very convenient for the New Zealand Company to say that the natives had no knowledge of property ; but if that be true with respect to the area which still remained open, surely it must be equally true with respect to the property which it had become possessed of. The whole of the property purchased, consisting of some millions, hail been obtained for the sum of 7,358/. 7s. 7d. The price which they sold it at, amounted to 128,1361. These were the protectors of the natives of New Zealand ; these were the per- SODS who complained of the missionaries for instigating the natives against them, and of Captain Fitzroy for taking their part. With respect to the allegations made againras they missionaries, he thought they could be met a s easily as were made. He agreed with the Hon. Member for I.eominster that the glory of God was the main object to be regarded in the conversion of these unfortunate creatures, and, he believed, that that was a truth recognised by the great bulk of Mem bers on both sides of the House. He would now ask any man to state what was the difference in the state of New Zealand when it was visited by Captain Cooke, or even later, in 1814, and its present condition ?—( Hear, hear.) eo recently as 1814 a white man could not lend on it, or walk alone in the country w ithout endangering his life ; while, on the other hand, in the past year, the Bishop of New Zealand had walked 300 miles in the visitation of his diocese, and in a situation where it was impossible to procure a conveyance, and during all that time he experienced the greatest hospitality— hospitality that would do honour to the most civilised people in the world.—((year, hear.) What, then, he would ask, could this change be ascribed to but the influence of the missionaries ? In the northern island there were even at present 33,000 Christians, 14,000 of whom were attending school, and there were no less than 3.200 of them regular conamunicants. He, therefore thought that he had made out a case in their favour which entitled them to the gratitude of the House for those glorious results. It had been said by the Hon. Member for Liskeard that the missionaries took the lead in speculations for the purchase of land, and these were Church of England mis sionaries. He (Sir 11. highs) was not in a position to say much of the missionaries of the Church of Rome, as their resi dence there had been but very recent; nor had he sufficient information to enable him to do so ; but there was this impor tant difference between them and the Wesleyan missionaries on the one hand, and the missionaries of the Established Church on the other, that the former were remora:see from station to station, while the latter settled down, with their wives and families, in a particular locality. There was, there fore, he contended, a necessity thus imposed upon them to in vest a certain portion of their salaries in the purchase of laud. It had been stated that 196,000 acres were possessed by the missionaries; but when every deduction was made, it would be found that their portion was less than one-half of what the Government allowed to the other missionaries in New South Wales. The greater part, too, of this land was described (and he believed most ac curately) as nothing better than moving sand. This led him to the proportion of cultivated and uncultivated land in. New Zealand. It had been stated that there were 78,000,000 of acres altogether in the country, of which 600100,009 were cultivable; but he apprehended that that state ment could not be sustained by the actual survey. lye had it on the authority of an eminent na turalist who had visited the country, that the proportion of cul tivable land was far less than in any other country in the world; in fact that there was not more than five per cent. of the whole island that could be cultivated. Supposing therefore. that Mr. Fairbairn or Mr. Taylor hail received a grant of 5,600 acree of this kind of land, he did not consider that they had received a greater amount of remuneration than they would have received from Government, had they been situated in any other part of our South Australian colonies. lie thought that they were entitled to be supported. There never was any irregularity proved against them, and he thought they aid not deserve the running fire which hail been kept up against them in the speech of the Hon. Member for Liskeard. With respect to the son of Mr. W. Clarke he did not consider that he was entitled to the censure which had been passed upon him, unless it was for the atrocious crime of being a young aim. lie thought that no one celled be got so well qualified to fill his situation. He had now to thank the House for the in dulgence which had been . given to hi m i n making these re mark, in defence of the missionaries. He would now, therefore, say to the House that if there was one duty more incumbent on them than another it was that they should not avail them selves of their position—that position which had been conferred MI them from on high for other purposes—to sanction arc inva sion of the lands of a weak and defenceless people. Throughout the speech of the Hon. Member for Liskeard there was an utter disregard of all parties concerned, with the exception of the New Zealand Company, and of a certain por tion of their fellow-subjects who were in New Zealand. He was willing to admit there could be few public companies con taining a greater number of respectable names ; and he ad mitted, also, that they were not jobbers in the market, as the shareholders of other companies were. They were not gam bling or jobbing speculators. He thought that the gentlemen who composed that company had no unfair object in view in joining it but to gain an honourable profit ; and he was sure they had no wish to invade the rights of others. He was not, therefore, one of those who wished to run down the New Zealand Company. He would now briefly advert to an other subject which he had already slightly glanced at, namely, the right of the natives to these lands. He had it on the autho rity of one who had travelled among them, that there was ma people in the world who possessed a more keen sense of tine rights of property. They had, he might almost say, a hstre ditary sense of those rights. Was he to be told, then, that te m e people, who had a name for every hill, every valley, and every mountain in the country, that they had no sense of the rights of property ? He would beg leave to read a petition from Mr. Busby, a missionary, which he was pre vented from doing that evening, when he had presented it. to the House. (The Hon. Member here read the petition.) He (Sir R. Inglis) could not understand, after the unbiassed. state ments of these respectable authorities, the grounds wb:sch had been put forward by certain parties that the natives had no right to the land of which they disposed, or that from their ignorance they should be deprived of its full valne.—( Hear.) lie had, in conclusion, to to thank the House foe the kind in dulgence which they always extended to him, bet especially to night, while he went through those minute details which he felt bound to refer to. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by giving his decided negative to the resolutions brought forward by the lion. Member for Liskeard. Mr. HAWES said it was not often that colonial subjects oc cupied the attention of the House, and he was glad to find that the present one had come so prominently before their notice, as it involved not only the principles of their policy in. New Zealand, but indeed all their colonial policy. In taking a part in the discussion of this question he would not be influenced by any party factions or motives. Before he went further, he would address himself to one or two points on which the Right Honourable Baronet had spoken in a manner calculated to excite prejudice, if not delusion. He had said that the New Zealand Company had put 121,000/, into their pockets, having sold land for 128,00 e/., which they had purchased for little more than 7,000/. But it should be remembered that the 7,000/. was not to be considered the value of the land ; subsequent to their purchase, large sums of money had been expended upon surveys, roads, bridges, and other improvements, all calculated to give a value to the land. He had had a paper put that evening into Isis hand containing but a sketch of the amount which the Company had expended upon emigration, transmission of ships, surveys, public works, wages, and trusts of churches and parochial charities. The sum there mentioned was 377,0004, but he had been assured, and he felt convinced'of the truth of the statement, that that estimate was 200.000/..short of the sum actually spent by them. Again the Right. Hon. Baronet said that nothing was mentioned by hi s Friend the Member for Liskeard, but the rights of the New Zealand Company. That assertion, he must be permitted to say, was not correct ; other , and equally sacred interests, had been discussed, but even if the charge were true, which he em phatically denied, his Hon. Friend had bnt considered the interests and rights of the New Zealand Company in volved in the right of forming missionary establish ments in their colony. He thought the Colonial -office had made serious errors, and to them he would now call, and, it possible, keep the attention of the House. A report had been laid on the table, expository of the course pursued by the Government towards the colony in question. In the spirit and intentions of that report he entirely concurred ; but changes had taken place, and changes of such a character as precluded the applicability of the recommendations of the report to the altered circumstances of the colony. The speech. of the Under-Secret ary o f S tate had given bins no satisfaction. He had expected that the Hon. Gentleman would have, at least, addressed himself to the evils of the colony, and admit ting, have shadowed out some means of remedying them. —( Hear, hear.) A part, however, of that speech it was incumbent on him to notice. He had said that the Member for Liskeard had described the natives of New Zealand as debased. What he said was, that while they were not as morose, vitiated, or unsociable as the North Ame rican Indians, they were inferior in the arts of civilization and of war. But even these admissions of deficiency he turned into arguments in their favour. They were easily to be engaged its trade, and showed great capacity for all the arts of civilisatiotta. Such mess the present state of the colony. But a few years since it had been prosperous. He had before him the accounts of the ships that left the harbour in the year 1844, at which period the inhabitants were thriving and its trade increasing. But, by a dispatch of Captain Fitzroy, dated October les, he feund the very reverse. It was there stated that there was no export, no funds. No titles to the land were issued. The salaries were several months in arrear, and the local Government had no resources. (Hear. ) Surely, when such an alarming change had occurred within t. Nothing, short period, the House ought to have heard from the Govern ment the reasons or the remedies for thedecline. however, had been given. The entire speech of the U n d er Secretary was absorbed in a defence of the Colonial Office—a. the to touch co l oy upon ( H theaterea r p petty Governmentreo f the pettiest Asthe oints, he would himself discuss them. It was the actual ir e . p h e a tt d ies not t "i venturedcers of f flux of settlers into the colony that had been the prime and original cause of all the subsequent disasters. In 1813, 'Air. Bushy was appointed president, and in consequence of the Italia of questionable settlers, had been obliged to seek the inter( aTeee of the Government at home. At that period .the missir me l ees, of whom he wished to speak with all respect. but who,' he must say, did not deserve the credit which the Right Hr ,nourable Baronet had accorded them, had opposed colonization generally. The internal wars," said Mr. Busby, " had depe pulated the country." The missionaries could, there,o re , have GROUP YY. THE ST. HELEN'S CANAL AND RAILWAY. The Committee re-assembled to-day at half past twelve o'clock, hr. Pringle in the chair. This Bill, which had been re-committed for the purpose of con sidering some additional clauses that were proposed to be added to the Bi:l, was now brought forward. The clauses being read, were agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be reported to the House. GLOUCESTER AND BRISTOL RAILWAY.-- (No. 2.) Mr. WIIATXLEY appeared for this Bill, which was for the purpose of altering, amending, and enlarging the powers of the Company, so as to give it the opportunity of entering into new arrangements with several companies. The Learned Gentleman stated that the Company had Just made an amalgamation with the Birmingham and Gloucester Railway, so as to run their trains in conjunction ; and, in order to effect this in a proper manner, and also to allow of proper arrangements being made with several other companies that were connected with it. Mr. John Sanders, Secretary to the Birmingham and Gloucester Railway, proved the amalgamation to have taken place, and the expediency of the proposed leasing. Mr. AUSTIN, on the part of the Great Western Company, sought only justice. A great portion of the Gloucester and Bristol line was made by the Great Western Com pany, and an agreement for leasing had been signed by the secretaries of the respective companies. He wanted that agreement to be honourably carried out. A lease of 999 years was in fact a fee that the present lease was to enable the Gloucester and Bristol to sell to a hostile company. If this was attempted to be persevered in, he would oppose the preamble of the Bill. His object was to recognise the agreement, not as a legal one, but an honourable one. The Birmingham and Gloucester were under the control of the Midland Counties, who were hostile to the Great Western, whereas a lease of 99 years, under which the interests of all Companies would be consolidated, was what was required. Mr. DANIEL considered the opposition unjustifiable. The agreement rested on by the Great Western was one amongst twenty similar ones, and ought not to have the preference; for, in point of fact, it was with nothing. The room was then cleared, and the Committee, after a short deliberation, thoded that the interests of the Great Western Company should be protected by a clau►e recognising the agree ment which had been disputed. The preamble of the Bill was then declared proved. The clauses were then gone through and passed, with the excep tion of clause the third, with amendments, which was left open for consideration until Monday. The Committee then separated. GROUP Z. The Committee to whom this group has been referred, met to day at twelve o'clock, the lion. Mr. Clive in the Chair. GREAT 'WESTERN (IDUELIN it.I4D GAL WAY) RAILWAY. The examination of Mr. Hannington, engineer for the Canal Company, which was partly heard yesterday, was then resumed by Mr. Rowe. There was an error of 5 feet at 198- miles between the section of the promoters and the real level. At 191 miles there was 5 feet of difference. Their section was higher than the ground. At 201 miles there was a difference of 15 IA feet. The ground was so much higher than it was shown on the section of the promoters. At 20a miles the ground was 10 1 / 2 feet higher than was shown on the section of the promoters. At 21 miles it was 12; feet higher. At 22 3 A miles it was 15 feet higher. At 22i miles it was 17; feet higher. At 23 4-Bth miles it was 154 feet higher, On the avenue at 24 miles it was 17 3j feet higher. On the road at 25; miles it was 15 feet higher. On the road at 37 miles the ground was 41 feet lower than was shown on their sections. At 38 miles it was 1 foot lower. At the church avenue, at 39i miles, it was 11;1 lower. These were his own ob sri vations made on the spot. He commenced the levels on the 24th March, and finished thetn on the 27th of March. He sur veyed from the 18th mile to the 26th mile, and from the 36th to the 42d mile. He took those levels in consequence of informa- tion which he received, that the levels on the . Company's sections were erroneous. He and Mr. Boyle compared sections together. He put down the result of his levels on the spot. Mr. Boyle's sections of the country were accurate, as tested by his levels. The line passed through ground of a very boggy character, particularly between Tultamore and Naas. If there was cutting, then the rail would become a great ditch, which of course would bring the water into the rail. Sir John M`Neill was the best authority in Ireland with respect to the construction of railways. Has been the only person who has executed railways there. He thought the railway could not be constructed for the estimate. The addi. tional earthworks required would increase the estimate to 46,816/. The bed of the canal, in some places, had sunk five feet, in conse quence of the peat stratum not being able to bear the superincum bent weight. Cross-examined by Mr. MURPHY—The construction of the railway was practicable. The bog presented no insurmountable difficulties. If the estimate was sufficient, the railway could be constructed. Ile made the entries in his book in the field in March last. He was tour days employed altogether in taking the levels. He took no note of the evidence which he gave yesterday with respect to the levels. At 21 f miles the error was 121 feet. He commenced at IBi miles on the da tum line, and he assumed that that point was correct. If the copy of Captain Moorsom's section was not correct on the point from which he started, his levels would be also incorrect. lie gave no evidence of these errors before the Committee on Standing Orders. He took the levels to give evi dence on them before the Committee on Standing Orders. The reason he did not give evidence was in consequence of the division which had been made between the Grand Canal Company and the Mullingar Company with re spect to the evidence, and as the evidence on the levels fell to the share of the latter Company, who withdrew their peti tion, of course he was not called upon. He thought that the rail. way could be constructed for about 1,0001. per mile more than Captain Moorsom's estimate. He thought that 21. per Irish acre was enough for the land, at 25 years' purchase. Ile was not aware that Captain Moorsom's estimate was double that amount, or 41. By Mr. WARD—Did not think that the additional amount required for earthworks (46,8161.) would be affected by the dis crepancy in his evidence to-day and yesterday with regard to the levels. Mr. Boyle was here called, but declined giving any evidence, as the information which he could give was acquired in a professional capacity for the Mullingar Company. Fie did not wish, therefore, to give any evidence against the Galway Company. Mr. James thought, however honourable such reluctance might be to Mr. Boyle as a servant of the Mußinger Company, he saw no reason for, nor did the law for a moment sanction, the with holding of evidence on such grounds. Mr. MURPHY objected to the examination of this witness for reasons for which the Committee would understand, and which it was unnecessary for him to allude to more distinctly. The CHAIRMAN, after consulting with the rest of the Committee, decided that the witness should be examined. Mr. Boyle, civil engineer, was then examined by Mr. James — Went about the latter end of March, along with Mr. Henry and Mr. Hannington, to take the levels. He had copies of the sections and plans of the promoters of the line along with him. These were made partly by himself and partly by his assistants. There was an error of fully 38 feet at one point, which was in the neighbourhood of Loughrea, between the 18th and 26th mile. The surface of the ground on the section was so much lower than the actual surface. This error was continuous for five miles along the course of the line, but that was the maximum. He could not say that the errors alluded to by Mr. Hannington were correct, but he could say that errors quite as great as he stated really existed. Mr. Hannington and himself took the levels separately, and after. wards compared them. They agreed in the results. This witness was cross-examined by Mr. T►YLOR at great length. He admitted he had stated that the book from which he made his calculation did not furnish sufficient data to enable him to pro. nounce a positive opinion as to their accuracy. James Malley, secretary to the Mullingar Company, examined by Mr. Rowe—He could net say that every thing in the office of the Company was under his charge. He had the instructions of the Company not to give up the sections taken by Messrs. Boyle and Harrington, unless obliged by the Committee. Mr. Rowe here applied to the Committee for power to compel the production of thfe documents, and for this purpose requested the Chairman to apply for the Speaker's order. Atter some discussion the room was cleared,to enable the Com mittee to consult as to the course they s:iould take. On our re admission, The CiannthAN ammunced the decision of the Committee, " that as the documents required were of a private nature, they had no control over them." Mr. George Leasher, civil engineer at Deeds was then examined by Mr. J...aiess. He went over to examine the proposed line, and to compare the sections and plan that had been deposited, with the levels taken on the ground. He went over the ground with Mr. Boyle, and the levels whicn he took perfectly coincided with tnose taken by Mr. Boyle there, when compared with the sections that had been deposited by t e e promotors showed errors of a very considerable extent. He commenced at 21 i mile on the line. The maximum error he discovered was between 30 and 40 feet. He believed the line to be impracticable, without altering the gradients. The cuttings would be far lower than the drainage of the country. Cross-examined by Mr. MURPHY—If the section from which he commenced to make his observations was incorrect, all the calor*_ lati.in afterwards made on that foundation would be also incorrect. The other engineers which were to give evidence on behalf of the Grand Canal Company, not being in attendance, owing to their engagements at othea Committee, the Committee adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Their Lordships assembled at Five o'clock. SIR HENRY POTTINGER. The Earl of LIVERPOOL brought down her Majesty's answer to their Lordships' address expressive of their con currence in her Majesty's message recommending that a pension of 1,5001. a year should be granted to Sir Henry Pottinger, for his services in China. The Duke of WELLINGTON moved that it be entered in the journals of the House. Messengers from the Commons brought up several Bills, which were read a first time. SCHOOLMASTERS (SCOTLAND) BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed LEEDS AND WEST RIDING RAILWAY BILL. Lord BROUGHAM presented a large number of petitions In favour of this Bill. SMALL DEBTS BILL. Lord BROUGHAM said this Bill, which was to save small debtors the expense of employing attorneys and solicitors, had been sent back because it contained a provision giving a deputy gaoler the fee of a shilling for swearing the affidavits of persons placed under his charge. The Commons, therefore, objected to the Bill, because it passed a tax, and it ought there fore to be sanctioned by them first. He had struck out the ob jectionable words, and he now had to move that the Bill, as amended, be read a first time. Lord PORTMAN objected to the Bill because it proposed, for the first time, to give deputy gaolers the power of adminis tering oaths. Lord BROUGHAM said the clause did not affect the prin. ci i le of the Bill, and he had no objection to strike it out. 'I he Bill Has then read a first time. COMMON LAW PROCESS BILL. Lord CAMPBELL said he had to move for a Select Com mittee of their Lordships' House, to search the journals of the House of Commons respecting three Bills, which their Lord ships had sent down to them. He was under the impression that such a Committee would report that, after the Bills were read a second time in the House ot Commons without any discus sion. the Committees on them were postponed for six months. It might be supposed frem this that the Bills were unconstitutional and likely to act unjustly towards Ireland, but the fact was not so. Representations had been made to him that debtors ' holding preperty in Ireland were in the habit of residing out of the kingdom, and thus evading the just claims of the credi tors. For it was a technical rule in the law of England and Ireland, that no process could be served without the debtor re sided within the jurisdiction of the Court whence the were issued. It was a measure so well considered and of such a beneficial tendency that he thought such a course to be most extraordinary. He thought that when the Government supported a measure in one House of Parliament, they should also support it in the other. He thought the Secretary of State for the Home Department should have got up in his place and It was necessary that provision should be made fort the serving of process in England or Scotland, or even in France or Germany, so that a person who had contracted a debt in Ire land, and who had left that country, might be placed within the pale of the law, and that a creditor might have a remedy against his debtor. A Bill giving those powers passed with the consent of the Noble and Learned Lord. and stated that they had been approved of by her Majesty's Government. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the whole mistake lay in the Noble Lord entrusting these Bills to a Learned Friend of his in the Lower House, who had never read them. Alter a few words from Lord CAMPBELL, Lord BROUGHAM said, that the law was in a most shame ful state. and he hoped that if the Noble Lord again brought in such Bills, he would entrust them to other hands than the Learned Sergeant. The motion was then agreed to. BISHOPS' PATRONAGE (IRELAND) DILL. The Bishop of DUBLIN moved the second reading of this Bill. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE moved that the second reading be postponed until the 30th instant, It was only laid on the table on the 16th, and he would venture to say that not one Noble Lord, except himself and those who had received private intimation of the fart, were aware that the second reading would be pressed to-night. It was a most important measure, and greater time ought to be given for its consi deration. The Earl of WICKLOW considered that there was ne necessity to postpone the second reading beyond to-night. The Right Rev. Prelate was anxious to leave this country to attend to his duties in Ireland. He (the Earl of Wicklow) looked upon the Bill as a natural consequence of the Bill of last session ; and, besides, it was necessary that no time should be lost in passing the measure, that the claim on the Right Rev. Prelate might be settled. Their Lordships then divided, when there appeared— Contents— For the second reading 35 Non-contents Majority (LEFT sirroie.) -16 HOUSE Oil' COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'Clock. The Lords' Amendment to the York and Scarborough Rail way Deviation Bill were agreed to. The Manchester and Birmingham (Ashton Branch) Railway Bill was read a third time and passed, on the motion of Mr. Brotherton. Upon the motion for the further consideration of the report on the Lyme Regis Improvement hlarket and Waterworks Bill, the Bill was ordered to be engrossed. O'Connell, inspector of the London repeal wardens (meaning the plaintiff William John O'Connell), is at daggers drawn with the London repeaters; their quarrels (meaning the quarrels of the plaintiff and the London repeaters) threaten, as far as London is concerned, to strangle repeal and destroy the bright vision of a native Parliament in College-green, which the night dreams of the Hibernian sojourners in the classic neighbourhoods of St. Giles's and Drury-lane created. The inspector-gene ral (meaning the plaintiff), indignant at his authority (mean. ing the authority of the plaintiff) being questioned by his (meaning the plaintiff's) followers, has in revenge closed the St. George's ward, and suspended St. John's-wood ward. The cause of the dispute is the payment of a weekly salary to the inspector general (meaning the plaintiff), while he (meaning the plaintiff) is unavoidably compelled to absent himself from their meetings (meaning the meetings of his followers being London repeaters) on all days, Sundays excepted. An organ of the London re [eaters explains the affair (meaning the affair as regards the plain tiff in his relations with the London repeaters) in the following words One of the reasons why the London repeaters object to the payment (which objection has called forth the conduct com plained of) of W. J. O'Connell (meaning thereby the payment to the plaintiff of a weekly salary as inspector.general of the London repeal wardens) is, that he (meaning the plaintiff) is com pelled to be out of the way all the week, fearing an arrest, and can only be seen out on Sundays. He (meaning the plaintiff) has been living with (meaning thereby cohabiting with) a lady of the name of Moss, who entrusted hits (meaning the plaintiff) with meiiey to pay bills to the tune of 2001. or 300/., and he (meaning the plaintiff), instead of paying the bills, otherwise employed the cash (meaning by the cash the money so entrusted to the plaintiff) for the purpose of paying the aforesaid bills. She (meaning the lady of the name of Moss) wishes to arrest him (meaning the plaintiff), in the hope that the association (meaning the Loyal National Repeal Association) will pay the money (mean ing the money entrusted to the plaintiff by the said lady, named Moss, to pay the aforesaid bills, and otherwise employed by the said plaintiff), and save him (meaning the plaintiff) from disgrace. All this he (meaning the plaintiff) publicly acknowledged at the St. George's ward, and taunted Mr. Dwa'me with knowing his (mean. ing the plaintiff's) embarrassments, and wishing to increase them. He (meaning the plaintiff) also boasted that Mr. O'Connell would pay the sum for him (meaning the plaintiff), but he (meaning the plaintiff) was too proud to ask him; he (meaning the plaintiff) stated last Monday, that if twelve wards declared against him (meaning the plaintiff), he (meaning the plaintiff) would imme. diately close them- The inspector-general (meaning the plaintiff') repudiates these slanderous attacks upon his character, and attri. butes them to the vindictive jealousy of a disappointed few.' Non nebis est componere lites! It is not our business to settle disputes (meaning thereby it is not the business of the Morning Post news. paper to settle disputes); and a pretty quarrel it is (meaning thereby the quarrel between the plaintiff and the London repeaters, from whose organ the slanderous attacks upon the character of the said plaintiff are quoted) r _ . After hearing Mr. Sergeant Shee and Mr. Sergeant Talfourd, Mr. Justice ERLE summed up; and after some five-and-twenty minutes' consideration, the jury returned a verdict for plaintiff-- Damages 501. THE WATERLOO BANQUET. The Duke of Wellington yesterday celebrated the 30th anniver sary of the ever-memorable battle of Waterloo, by his customary banquet at Apsley-house. In the course of the day above 700 con gratulatory visits were made to the Duke, at Apsley House, the visitors including the members of the Royal Family, and the leading aristocracy of this country, as well as foreign ministers. His Grace was surrounded on the occasion by upwards of 70 of his brave companions in arms; his Royal Highness Prince Albert honouring the Noble Duke with his presence on the occasion. The guests began to arrive as early as half-past six o'clock, and even at that hour a very numerous assemblage had congregated in the vicinity of the Nohle Duke's mansion for the purpose of wit. nessing the arrival of the noble and distinguished veterans forming the remnant of those who maintained the independence of their fatherland on the field of Waterloo. His Royal Highness Prince Anna arrived shortly after seven o'clock, attended by the Marquis of Exeter, Major-General Bowa ter, and Col. Bowles, the two latter of whom, as is well.known, are Waterloo officers. The preparations for the banquet were on the same scale of princely magnificence which has been so often described in the columns of this journal. Covers were laid for upwards of 80. The Duke of Wellington was supported on the right by his Royal Highness Prince Albert and the Marquis of Anglesey, and on his left hand sat his Excellency Prince Caste'cicala and his Ex cellency Count Kielmaneegge.