The Sun. — London, England, 1836-02-16 00:00:00

-c i D r g SUN OFFI CE, Seven o'clock. TIM LONDON GAZI,','TTE THIS EVENING. OFFICE OF ORDNANCE; FEB. 15, lE,Sfj. • Corps of Royal Engineers—Seecnd Capt. C. J. SelWyn to be Captain, vice Peale. deceased; First Lieut. G. Du Flat to be Se cond Captain, vice Selwyn ; Second Lieut. W. C. Padden to be First Lieutenant, vice Du Plat, dated Feb. 8. BANKRUPTS , • GEORGE COOPER, victualler, Barblcan. PIERRE FRANCOIS LAPORTE, bookseller, Haymarket. JOHN HAMILTON, wine-merchant, King-s rpet treet, St. Ja onmes's. THOMAS BROWN, merchant, Watling-st, Lond. JOHN ALSOP, shopkeeer, Glossop, Derbyshire. EDWARD LAWRENCE IR ELAND, factor, Birming ham. JOHN HADLEY, grocer, Cradle}, Wornestershire. CHARLES JACKSON, boot and shoe dealer, Northwicb Cheshire. un., hatter N e wcastle-upon-Tyne JONAT HAN COLLING, j ROBSON MILLER, watch-maker, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, COURSE OF EXCHA mst ertiani ................ 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The LORD CHANCR.LLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at half-past four o'clock. • Mr. Campbell, from the East India House, presented papers relative to compensation to the reduced servants of the Com pany. AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. The Earl of LIVERPOOL presented a petition from the Shropshire Agricultural Association, praying for inquiry into the distress of the wi ° riculturists. SUGAR DUTIES. Earl FITZ WILLIAM presented a petition from Cal cutta, praying for the assimilation of the duties on sugar. POOR LAWS. Lord DACRE presented a petition from Royston praying for an extension of the time, from 10 to 20 years' for the pay ment of the money advanced for the building of Poor-houses under the New Poor Law Bill. He hoped, in the course of the present Session, that some amendment would be made in the original Bill. Lord RODEN gave notice that on Friday next he should present a petition from the clergy of the arch-diocese of Tuam. Lord DENMAN presented a petition from Annan, pray ing for compensation to Mr. Buckingham. The House then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the chair at 10 minutes before 4 o'clock, at which time there were upwards of 300 Members in their places. In consequence of the adjourned debate on the O'Con nel petition coming on to-night, the Strangers' Gallery was opened at 2 o'clock, and was almost instantly filled. Many hundreds destined for the same place arrived afterwards, and were much disappointed at not gainis;g admittance. Mr. O'Connell came down to the Housc about half-past 4. The passages leading to the gallery and lobbies of the House were then crowded to excess. On Mr. O'Connell aacending the staircase leading to the passage within the House, the as sembled crowd teok off their hats, upon which some one near him raised a hiss; this was answered by a loud anal general cheer from the great body of respectable persons in the lobby as he passed. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON brought up the report of the CoMmittee on the Wearmouth Dock Bill. RAILWAYS. Sir EAR DLEY WILMOT brought in several Bills for making branch railways between Birmingham and London. Mr. P. STEWART presented a petition for leave to bring in a Bill to form a railway from the eastern end of Lou-. don to Blackwell. In presenting the petition the Hon. Mem ber submitted whether it would not be expedient for the House to come to a resolution, that the Committee Lists of the different Committees on Railway Bills should not be at liberty to form themselves into sections in different parts of the coun try, but should have only one Chairman in a certain place. Mr. HUME doubted whether the proposition of the Hon. Member would be attended with any good effect, but he thought whatever course the House intended to adopt, should be perfectly understood. Sir S. WHALLEY thought the proposition would be attended with great inconvenience. Mr. F. YOUNG thought the present suggestion clearly it_ Instrated the necessity of adopting some precii:e course when that subject was last before it. The House was piaced in the si tuation of having recommendations for three separate Bills, all having the same object, but it was obvious that it would be ruinous to each to carry them all into execution. There should be some tribunal to take into consideration the relative as well as the general merits of each plan. The present pe tition, however, afforded a practical illustration of the correct ness of the recommendation of the Hon. Member for South wark the ether night. The SPEAKER said he could do no otherwise than follow the usual course.—( Hear, bear.) That was—to refer the pe tition to the Committee proposed by the Hon. Member who p r esented it. If any alteration was to be made, it rested with the iionse, and with the House alone, to take that step—he had no aothority of himself to do so. Mr. WIL.K S thought it desirable tbat some new tribunal should be appototed to consider the eligibility of the various plans, and that there should be r ..- , lommendation in favour of any measure before it wa3 rmz ... second time. This would be a great saving of time and of expense. On the present occa sion, however, they could only refer the petition iu the ordinary manner. Mr. PEA SE thought that the subdi.-ision of the list was the great point to guard against. If the Hot:_se expressed an opinion that the Committee ought not to be subdi.:;ded, every end would be obtained. It was impossible that th ere could he two or three conflicting rail roads at the same time withoti: their comparative merits coming before the Committee. Mr. P. M. STEW ART would give notice that to-morrow lie would bring in a measure to alter the present practice. Mr. WILES suggested to the Hon. Member to give no tice of his motion so that it might appear in the votes. Mr. P. M. STEWART would attend to the suggestion of the Hon. Gentleman, and give notice for Monday next. MR. BUCKINGHAM'S CASE Mr. TULk brought up a Bill to compensate Mr. Buck ingham for his losses in Ind►a.—Read a first time. Several petitions were presented in favour of private Bills. Mr. BERNAL presented a petition from the corporation of Gravesend, praying for leave to amend, as (we understand) the Gravesend Pier Act. Mr. (,ILLON presented petitions from several places in Lanarkshire against further grants to the Church. STEAM NAVIGATION ON THE THAMES. Captain ALS AGER presented a petition, signed by 900 inhabitants of Rotherhithe. complaining of the reckless speed of steam •vessels on the River Thames. The Hon. Member moved that the petition be referred to the Select Committee at present sittinz on the subject. ERRORS OF THE MORNING PAPERS. Colonel VERNER begged to correct a mistake which the newspapers had fallen into respecting a statement which he made a few evenings ago in the House. He was reported to have stated that he had been - dismissed from his Majesty's service. Now such was not the fact. He could produce the highest testimonials as to his military character. NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT. Mr. riAwES presented a petition from the rejected can didates, pra: , ing that their plans might be exhibited in the National Gali,-ry. He was sorry that the Commissioners had so soon returned the plans of the rejected candidates, as the public were most anxious that they should be publicly exhibited, and he hoped the House would accede to a request coming from so respectable a body of men. Mr. HOPE concurred in the prayer of the petition. He hoped a public exhibition would be allowed, as many of the architects had been put to very great ex pence. With respect to the immediate return of the plans he bOeved the Commis slot ers had nothing to do with that, as, after haOlg made their decision, they immediately sent them to the office of Woods and Forests. He trusted there would be an exhibition not oti!v of those plans which had been unsuccessful, but also of ti;ose which had been approved. Mr. ROEBUCK supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. HAWES then presented two other petitions to • the same effect. THAMES STEAM NAVIGATION. The Ho;. MEMBER then presented a petition relative to the rapid navigation of steamers on the River Thames. MR. BUCKINGHAM'S CLAIMS. Mr. GRA NTL Y BERKELEY presented a petition from a place in Gloucestershire, in favour of Mr. Buckingham's claims. BIRMINGHAM PETITION. Mr. ATTWOOD presented a petition from Birmingham, to which he prayed the serious attention of the House. Th e object of the Birmingham Political Union. was to protect the rights and privileges of the Crown. The Meeting from which the pet i t i on had emanated had been the cause of some dis agreement in the town of Birmingham, as to whether it should be considered a town meeting or not. It had been convened in the same way that all meetings had been called together for the last 'twenty years, as there was no regUlar constituted authority for such a purpose there. The people of Birmingham might have slumber ed over the °Wets of' the meeting for a long time, had it not been for the opposite party, who made themselves exceedingly busy during the last year in getting up Political Unions in the form of Conservative dinners, where they spoke a great many Conser vative lies, and put forth many Conservative falsehoods in the :public papers. It was necessary therefore for the people of Bir- Juingbam to meet, in order to show the falsehood of those lies, tr ,rors, or misapprehensions—(Hear, and laughter)—and to show that House that they were still rooted in their desire for R e a m The petitioners stated their intense desire for Re- THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 1.F36 ------- '---- --- .. a ,: .. , Ily for a lt,' , untt iri the II ouse of Lords. form, but more especially . i lie agreed with t.:cm 0 their opinion, —( - -4 Hear, hear.) form in that House was absolutely necessary, In order to enable it to move pari passa with that House in the ir march of libhe e rality, humanity,y, and justice.—( Hear, hear. ) No one, was sure, would defend voting by prnscy, and he was sure that every one would think the Bishops ought to be relics/0d from the burden of attending to temporal affairs,— ( Hear, hear.) The sooner, in his opinion, the Government took up that business in a temperate but firm manner, the beam' and the more easily would it be settled. The next question which the petitioners referred to was Municipal Reform, and he trusted that the Government would speedily introduce a Bill in order to restore the Bill of last session to its original state. They next prayed for a reform in the Irish Church. He was pleased to see a Bill for that purpose pro mised, but no mention was made of the appropriation clause. Sure he was, and he warned the Government, that without such a clause, the great body of the people of England would be very much dissatisfied. He traced that Ministers, for their own sakes, would stand fast to that principle, until it had become the law of the land. The next question to which the petitioners referred was Nor Laws for I eland. He was glad that a Bill on that subject had been promised ; for he was sure that there never would be peace in that country, until provision for the poor was made. In his opinion, the law ought to be based upon the 43d of Elizabeth. He did not mean to say that it might not be necessary to depart from the provisions of that law to afford facilities for the transport of labour from one overburthened place to another, but they ought to stick as near to it as they possibly could.--( Hear, hear. ) He believed that unless the poor of Ireland were insured the right of living out of the produce of the soil, the gentry of Ireland would never be interested in taking care of the labour ing classes; so as to insure them justice and protection. He hoped the Irish poor Would be insured against starvation. He hoped the House would net think that he required too much on the part of the Irish poor, when he said that they plight to be g uaranteed a maintenance out of the produce of the soil.—( Hear.) It was proved that every one of them produced more than four times as much food as he and his family r equired. Under these circumstances, it was right that the Irish landholder should be compelled to hold out a paternal hand to the labouring classes. He did not think the whole bur den ought to fall on the Irish landholders—the Irish mortgagees and the holders of family settlements ought to be made to con trilute their due shares. He had no doubt that • his Majesty's Ministers would take the subject into consideration, and, he that they would be able to pass a B ill f or the introduc tion of Poor !,aws irate Ireland, so as to give protection to that unhappy people. an.:. l to give satisfaction to the paople of the • United Kingdom. . Mr. SCHOLEFIELD could bear testimony to the, state ments made by his Hon. Colleague. Never was good order and unanimity more observeable than upon the occasion when this petition was agreed to. There wore three points which the petition embraced, but he would only call attention to one of them. There was only one opinion as to the nenes? sity of Irish Corporate Reform, reform of the Irish Church, and as to the necessity of poor laws for Ireland ; but there was a difference of opinion with regard to a reform of the House of Lords. It was the desire of many of the people of Birmingham not to interfere with the privileges of the House of Lords, so long as they did not obstruct the progress of improvement.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. DUGDALE—The Hon. Member for Birmingham bad asked permission to present a petition of a very considerable bulk, and, as appeared from his speech, of very considerable importance. But he (Mr. D.) had every reason to believe that when the merits of that petition were duly explained, it would notbe considered of so much importance and considera tion. The principal prayer of the petition embodied an organic change in the Lords,lby which was meant nothing more nor less than the utter destruction and annihilation of the rights and independence of that House.—( Loud cheers from the op position.) That object may be desirable in the eyes of the Honourable Member for Birmingham—( Hear, hear) — and in the eyes of a few persons in Birmingham, and he had no hesitation in saying that the gre at majority .of the people of Birmingham repudiated the sentiments contained in the petition. At the time of the meeting for considering the subject of the petition, a number of gentlemen entered into a protest against the prayer of it, and declaring the persons who got it up had no right to represent themselves as speaking the opi nions of the inhabitants of that city. He should read for the House the protest then agreed upon, and which he then held in his hand. The Hon. Gentlemen here read the document of which he spoke. He should remark that it was signed by 2,000 persons, all householders of Birmingham, of full age, and of the greatest respectability, and of men entertaining dif ferent political opinions. He believed the Member for Bir mingham would find among them many of his own supporters. And there were only a few names on the list which had been placed on it by mistake, and which he had therefore corrected. It was sip ed by all the borough officers except one, the Low Bailiff, by all the Magistrates of Warwick acting for and resid ing in the borough, with one exception, and he disapproved of the object of the meeting ; also by twenty-two clergymen—( Loud laughter)—by sixty attorneys —( Continued laughter)—by forty physicians—(lncreased laughter)—by two bankers, and forty merchants. He defied the Member for Birmingham to say that it was signed by an individual who was not of full age, and of the greatest respectability. With regard to the petition, which was said to come from a body calling itself the Birmingham Political Union—( Hear)—it was well known to every Member of that House that it had bled to death a long time a g o —(Laughter)—and it would be out of the power of the Member for Birmingham with all his elo quence, ingenuity, and ability to bring it back to existence. In the first place it was, therefore, the petition of a dead body.— (Laughter.)—lt was said to be signed by 2,000 individuals who would, if they were bona fide and living persons, and of sound mind—( Great laughter)—be entitled to the considera tion of that House. He (Mr. Dugdale) believed that they were a part of that mighty host, consisting of 20,000 brave and upright men, whin the Member for Birmingham not long ago informed the House, were ready to march under his banners, and against whom the few pitiful Tories that might be found in the country could do nothing.—(Hear, hear.) He had received information from a friend at Birmingham as to the manner in which the signatures were obtained, who was ready, if the House wished it, to prove at the Bar what he had stated was the truth. He had been informed this pe tition was sent to a vast number of pot-houses of the lowest description in Birmingham, and persons were sent also to guard it of the lowest character. People had been sta tioned with it for a fortnight, in all the public streets and thoroughfares in the town. Those persons were seen in the open street to sign name after name to the peti tion, without the authority or presence of any one.—(lm mense laughter.) It was also signed by children of the youngest age.—( Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.) His informant bad stated that he saw tables stationed in the streets, surrounded by children of eight, ten, and twelve years of age, and one of them who could write was writing the names of the rest. Many of them were ill spelt.—( Hear.) alany sheets were covered with marks, purporting to be the marks of several persons. He would not trouble the House any more-4 Hear, hear)—for he was aware that something of great consequence was coming forward, and lie would leave it to the House to say wi.ich they,considered of most consequence, the protest he held in his hand, or the bulky petition that had been laid upon the table.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL said that was just the question. There; were' two thousand signatures on the one hand—the rabble, if the Hon. Member pleased—a familiar name for Eng lishmen at present..( Groans from the Conservatives, and cheers from the Ministerial Benches.) On the ether hand, there was the protest of the Hon. Member, amongst which he had the candour to admit there were sonic mistakes, which the Hon. Member scratched out.—( hear, hear.) This petition was signed by 20,000 persons, according to the Hon. Member, and nobody being present—( Hear, hear, and laughter)—that mistake came not from potato- shire.—( Continued laughter: ) The people ought not to be treated by anybody with ri dicule, such as the Hon. Member had employed.( Hear, hear.) Perhaps they asked for what was unreasonable — a change in the House of Lords. But Englishmen had a right to ask for any organic change which they thought neces sary for their liberty. They had a right to send any petition to the House, provided they spoke in respectful language.— ( Hear.) The Hon. Member opposite was entitled to re tain his opinion, and the men of Birmingham were• entitled to retain their opinion, but he felt himself bound , to say, having received high honour—( Laughter from the Tories, followed by loud cheers from the Ministerial benches)—he would be sorry to shrink from saying that he saw among them many thousand persons at that meeting, in dividuals who certainly appeared to him—he meant no disparagement to the Hon. Member opposite—quite as re spectable as the lion. Member. They appeared to him to be intelligent, and he was certain they were discriminating,— (Cheers and laughter.) They could have had no reason for 'joining in sentiment with him than that of believing that they had a community of feeling with respect to the necessity of increasing the guarantees of British liberty. There was a voice then amongst them which represented that feeling, and he did not know that his Hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham was inferior to the Hon, Gentleman opposite,_ either in talent, eloquence, or devotion to t he liberties of . his country.—( Hear, hear, hear.) His Hon. Friend had greatly contributed to carry the great measure of Reform, but the people of Birmingham had done more, He firmly believed, but for the manly, firm, but peaceable demonstra tion made by the Birmingham Union, they would now be sit ting in a rotten borough Parliament.—( Hear, hear.) Ought not this petition, therefore, to be treated with respect ? Would any Tory clique presurne.to treat it with disrespect ?—( Hear.) Mr. SCA KLETT said it; bad been the habit of certain persons who had no other employment, to endeavour upon all occasions to persuade the people that organic changes were necessary. He trusted that the petitions of the people would ever be treated with respect by that House.—( Hear, bear, hear.) But lie put it to the House whether pe tition of the nature which they had heard, ought not to be discouraged—( No, no.) When the Reform question was under discussion the people were told that the measure could only be obtained by process of law. But in the present instance it must be apparent that the object was to ob tain it by violence—(Oh f oh! from the Ministerial benches. ) w W o a u s ld it, he asked, sanction to b e en any expected e t which e the e w House Qhld or annihilate Lo r their own authority ?—( H ear , h ear , h ear. ) I . *flo reasonab d le s man could expect it. this organic change wasnetowbase teliffeereetfeodreeaxteeapltoshsytovikenleonweeh.ol (Oh, oh.) In his opinion the p H e e titi w o e n ul was treasonable.— ( .2nguish h ew Hon. Repeated Memberscries of " Oh,ul o distinguish could d e b e e e g th la e d e to rhn k e no e w f seeking a change in the Monarchy and in the House of Lords. —(Laughter.) For his part he could not understand the distinction, and he thought it was the bounden duty of the House to discourage such petition. REGIUM DONUM. A n H o n. MSMBER begged to ask whether it was the_ in- tention of Government to increase the Regium Donum in Ireland ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was un derstood to reply to the Hon. Memeer's question in the negative. 1 _ CARLOW ELECTION. At half-past five the SPEAKEit called upon Mr. HARDY, who begged to move that the Clerk would read that part of the Standing Orders of the House relative to the election of Members to serve in Parliament: The reading of the Order occasioned some laughter on the . . Ministerial side of the House. Mr. HARDY then rose—Whether the risibility of Hon. Members has been excited by the reading of thin Order I care not ; but this I am convinced of, that the case which I have to lay before this House for its consideration comes within, if not the words, the very principle of that Oilier. And, Sir it is a great relief to my mind that this matter comes before the House at e time, and under circumstances fixed upon by the Hon. and Learned Member himself, who is most interested in this result. Sir, I am rejoiced at that becalm, I did fear that the Hon. and Learned Member might have sustained some inconvenience in consequence of an omission on my part in not communicating to him the petition which I had to present, but which I have since learned was in his bands, or at least a part of it, before it was in mine—(Tremendous cheering from the Tory bonches.) Sir, there was one cir cumstance which I thought might have created some inconve nience to the Hon. and Learned Member, and that was the hour at which the discussion in this case might be likely to come on, in consequence of my notice standing 9th on the paper for this evening. Accordingly, as soon as I had satisfied myself, which was not till late. on Wednesday night, that I had a perfect right to bring it forward in precedence as a breach of privilege. I wrote early on the following morning to the Hon. and Learned Member to acquaidt him I did mean to claim that precedence, and I shall read that note to the House.—( Hear, and much laughter.) " Mr. Hardy presents his compliments to Mr. O'Connell, and begs leave to to inform him that it is his intention to claim precedence for his motion of this evening, respecting the Carlow Election, as involving a breach of privilege.-7, Portland-place, Feb. 11. " —( Roars of laughter.) The answer to that was, that the Hon. and Learned Member was not up—( Renewed laughter)—and would not be for an hour ; but in the course of the morning I received the following answer :—" If any act of Mr. Hardy could create surprise in the mind of any impartial person, it would be that, after having neglected all the ordinary courte sies between Members, he should have had the almost incom prehensible presumption.—(Roars of laughter)—to address his first communication to Mr. O'Connell, who, bow _ ever, cannot but feel flattered 'that Mr. Hardy should send him his compliments."-=-(Tremendous roars of laughter. ) Sir, I trust, if I am to judge at all by the confidence the Hon. and Learned Member has displayed, that it will afford him sa tisfaction that I have sent my compliments.---( Great laughter. ) Sir, I trust that this evening objections which were made at the first night will not be repeated, namely, that it was a mock solemnity—(" Hear," and loud cheers) —a designation which was given by the Honourable and Learned himself not with perfect consistency, I think, because he thought it a case for inquiry ; and how a case of mock solem nity should occupy the attedtion of the House ; if it was fairly a case for inquiry, how it could be a mock solemnity the Hon. and Learned Member must explain.—( Great cheering.) If it was a case of mock solemnity, something had passed since Thursday which had taken that title from it: Steps had been taken by two Honourable Members, which had given to this question a solemnity that it never had before.— (Cheers) I have had an opportunity of conversing with the Hon. Member for. Ipswich, who at that time treated this question very lightly, and who stated to show what his feelings were upon the subject, that it was his intention to move for an account of all the transactions and agreements between all the Members of the House.--(Great laughter.) Whether upon secoud consideration he found that such an in quiry would not suit all purposes I know not,—(Great laughter,)—but, from considering it a caae of no importance, it became in his estimation of such magnitude and interest, that he moved for hearing it at the bar of the Houie—( Cheers. ) Another Hon. Member had presented a most extraordinary petition, which I have only seen in the votes of the House, and which petition appears to me to proceed upon grounds the most extraneous with respect to this matter—( Great cheer ing)—it is presented in the name of a gentleman named Vigors, who complains of imputations against himself in the two pe titions on the table of the House. The petition from Bath never mention his name—(Great cheering)—and in the one from Carlow it is merely mentioned in two places—(Great laughter from the Ministerial side of the House) and yet the petition is presented by the Honourable Member for Liscard, complaining of illegal, unconstitutional, and corrupt conduct on the part of the petitioners. Sir, I don't know any thing in either of those petitions that complained of anything like illegal, unconstitutional, or corrupt conduct on the part of that gentleman.—(Loud cheers.) It appears that my mo tion will be attended with some good effect ; for unless my motion had been made, and this enquiry called for, 249 families and 316 widows, and orphans—( Great laughter)__ would never have had their wants brought before the House. —( Great laughter, and cries of " hear, hear," from Mr. O'Connell.) The Hon. and Learned Member calls, " Hear, hear." I ask him where he was when it is stated that within the last few years circumstances alluded to in that petition took place.--( Great cheering from the opposition. ) Why is it that the circumstances of these poor families, and the orphans and widows, is so connected with this case ? Why is it that they have only now come out, when it is stated in this petition that they have been persecuted for years ? (Cheers.) Sir, having got rid of these preliminary observa tions, which I have no plasure in making, I will now pro ceed to lay the case which I have to do before the House ; and I assure you, Sir, that it lays in a very narrow compase. It appears, Sir, that on the 27th of May a Committee which was then sitting upon a petition against the election for the county of Carlow declared the election of Vigors and Raphael void. On the 28th May—only the very next day, and of course before the people of Carlow could be consulted on the matter, the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin called upon Mr. Raphael, and asked him to be a candidate for Carlow, at the same telling him that the expense would not exceed 2,0001. On the 20th of May, only two days after the seats were declared void, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman again called upon Mr. Raphael, and not seeing him wrote him as follows : g , My dear Sir,—lrem"a9ineCd l a a t r h g o e m s - e s , t r a e t e t someM until after the hour I mentioned. I was sorry I did not re main longer, as you called s h or tly after ; but as you le ft no letter or other indication of acce ding to my proposal , I take for granted that you declin e m y offer—be it so. I only add ay 2 i n convenience, 1 8 my belief that you will never again meet so safe a speculation, I am quite sure I never shall hear of one. " I have the honour to be, my dear Sir, Your very faithful, " DANIEL O'CONNELL. " Alexander Raphael, Esq." Sir, that reminds me of what was quaintly said by one of our poets—( Loud cries of " Oh, oh," and laughter)—of what was said by one of our early poets, " The things for sale, calls forth the sellers praise"—(Laughter)—and certainly, if it had been wanted to puff one of the seats for Carlow, nothing could have been better than the expression used by the Honourable and Learned Member, when he assures his Friend that it is so safe a speculation—(Laughter)—and that it would be some time before he might have another so safe to offer. It would seem, Sir, that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was very anxious that Carlow should have so distinguished a Representative from his earnestness in the cause. In conse quence of that note a meeting took place on the Ist of June at which a note was written and delivered to Mr. Raphael. " 9, Clarges-street, June 1, 1835. s' My dear Sir,—You having acceded to the terms proposed to you for the election of the county of Carlow—viz., you arc to pay before nomination I,oool. 2 —say 1,0001., and a like sum after being returned—the first to be paid absolutely and en tirely for being nominated, the second to be paid only in the event of your having been returned, I hereby undertake to guarantee and save you harmless from any and every other expense whatsoever, whbther, of agents, carriages, counsel, petition against the return, or of any other description, and 1 make this guarantee in the fullest sense of the honourable engagement that you should not possibly be required to pay one shilling more in any event, or upon any contingency what soever. " I- am, my doir Sir, your very faithful, • " A. Uaphael, Esq." "DANIEL O'CONNELL.' A ba7gain vias thus entered into between the Hun. and Learned Member for Dublin and Mr. Raphael, and I ask his Majesty's Attorney-General to state, if he will favour us, whether he ever witnessed a. more complete bargain and sale. —(Cries of " Oh," and great cheering.) What was the subject matter of it ? A seat in Parliament.—(Hear, hoar, hear.) If it had been a bargain for a horse nobody ear. doubt that it would be enforceable in a Court of law, but it ir, not enforceable in a Court of law because it would be known it was 4 bargain for a seat in Parliament. ( Loud cheers from the Opposition,) Will any man tell me that Mr, liaphael would have sat as eapresentative of Carlow if it had not been for the 2,0001. ?—(Cheers.) Will any ma n tell me that W, Rephae.l would have been re commended by t he Learned and Hon. Member for Dublin, if it had not been for the 2,0001. —( Renewed cheering from the Tories.) What more is wanted fora bargain?—( Laughter and cheers.) If it is neces sary to show to what money the Hon. and Learned Member for emnr.ote Raphaelthat w as subsequently, written the IMO/. [The Hon. and Learned Dublin attached so much importance, I beg the attention of the s H i ci e u m se he t r o o th a al m sideNo w as the bargain i r 4 ead r9 L utter a the 4th of June. The Hon. somewhat shortsighted, Member read ‘, promises" for "prospects," , 1 ' 1 a s n te d lri this note was written on the andaMemberand d over Le a hr en a r g e ed a pHroosnp. ects,thereforo, (ww Greatlsi c m h a e di x ae c u i og t enhdttehsroe from rat laughter : otfb joumnei 4th, Jt could not have been Mr. itapbWel'S prospect s that the c t a w rn e e r d e so Al e m bright. b e Member had notTh e a r r r iewcao4m;e Carlowndati recommendation d of tli whosee they were, I cannot divine.—( Lei ,(1 cheers from the Opposition. ) The llon. Gentleman here referred to the letter of the Bth of June, and contiueed—Now, Sir, this is the bargai n o f w hi ch I complain.—( Hear, from Mr, O'Connell. ) And when I began the case, as I thought f goat entitled to do the other evening, 1 win palled to order, because, as you said, the only the pocket of f cli4 n o t d raw t h e q uestion before the Chair wee, *petition should be on th e ta bl p, i l n v f v e a r s on s t e a : i t n h g a thatthat sheer from moneytli these e went cirs t i m t e o ta the Hon : abd Leer* filentleman.—(Hear, hear.) The House must have observed what .Is.ellas been made of that admission—and they must see that, though I am imt a little man--( Hear, hear) —when I accuse I am considered of great Importance when I come to acquit.—(Cheers from the Opposition.) But, Sir, 1 va4 going Qn tt state, that, although in the event o f in the hands of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. yet in case the one had not been proceeded with, or the other pro : secuted, a considerablo sum PO We been left unexpended. There are some men to whom the gratification of their ambi tion is a matter of much greater consequence than any amount of cash ; and if this feeling, so dear to his heart, were gratified by adding to the number of those who would be of his party iu this House. e may easily ac count for the anaious inquiries after Mr. Hamilton.—( Cheers from the opposition.) But: Sir, Ithen I recollect that the pe: l tition bad been abandoned by the Hon. and Learned Gentle man, as appears from the statement in the newspapers on the second or the third day of the sitting of the Committee, and when I remind this Honourable House that the county of Carlow i 3 a small one, with scarce as many voters as there are in the borough which I represent, I must believe that the contest could not be expensive. And, I ask, • what would have been the case if there had been no contest or peti tion—seeing that there was paid 1,0001. for the nomination alone. That nomination, according to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, was to be followed, not by an easy victory, but by a shadow of a contest. We must recollect the difference be tween the cost of nomination, and the 1.0001. received for it. I find it is part of the bargain that he shall not be called upon for one shilling mere ; but I do not find that it is part of the bargain he shall have any returned.--( Hear, hear.) These are the circumstances of the case. They lie in a very narrow compass, and I have seen no defence of them, except in a public paper ; and certainly it would seem that, in the Editor's estimation the Hon. and Learned Member stands high, and also in the petition that was presented last night, it is stated that nothing is more common than an arrangement of that kind—indeed it is stated that what has happened—" that the money transactions alluded to in the said petitions were, as your petitioner avers, and is advised strictly legal, consttutional and honourable ; that the great majority of your Honourable House is accustomed to make similar money arrengements— (Hear, hear)--" in respect to their scats in the Commons' Honse of Parliament. And, Sir, it is stated in the paper to which I have 'alluded, that nothing is more common than that one candidate should pay all the expense, and that in this instance. Mr. Vignrs had reputation and popularity, in the benefit of which ?.Ir. Raphael was to participate. Has an Iron. Member, who offers himself to his constituents, any right to sell his reputation? Can he go to a friend and say, you pay the expenses and I will give you half my popularity, and half my reputation ?---( Hear.) I cannot understand that any such bargain is legal. If it be, this will be the first time I have ever beard of it, and I cannot vnderstand that any per son who calls himself an agent in such a bargain, especially if that agent be a Member of this Honourable House, can attempt to support any bargain of that description—(Cries of " Hear, bear.") I cannot call the Honourable 'and Learn ed Gentleman an agent--I wonder that he etnideseends to call 'himself an agent—because I never heard of an agent who undertook to be responsible—" I hereby und e rt a ke t o guarantee and save you harmless from any and every other expense whatsoever, whether of agents, carriages,, counsel, petition against the return, or of any other descrip tion."—l do riot know how a person who enters into such a bargain can be called an agent—( Hear) — I should rather think that Mr. Vigors, the petitioner of last night, was the agent of the Hon. and Learned Member at Carlow, rather than that the Hon. and Learned Member was the agent of Mr. Vigors in London.—( Hear, hear, hear.) The consequence is, that the Hon. and Learned Member no minates and puts in both Members for the county of Carlow. Mr. Vigors, his personal friend, and Mr s Raphael, his friend, as contractor. It is very little consequence what sort of a re presentatives the people of Carlow are to get. They never saw his face—they never saw anything of him but his Address, though of this nothing belonged to him but his name. —(Hear, and laughter.) If a man happens to possess moral influence, he has no right to dispose of it for money A writ had been lately issued for a certain place, in conse quence of a Noble Lord's elevation to the other House, what would be thought, I ask, of a Noble Lord, who has great influence in this place, if he made such a bargain. if he made such a bargain as this. There are many consti tuences in this country who would be glad to receive the recommendation of an Honourable Baronet of great in fluence ; but what I put to the House, if that Honourable Baronet said to a candidate, " I have great influence in this borough or country, and I will ensure your return if you give me 1,000/. now, and another 1,000/. after your return.—( Hear, hear.) If such a thing as this had taken place, and if it had transpired, what would be thought of it by the supporters of the Honourable and Learned Gen tleman would not .his conduct form the subject of their strongest animadversion, and would not the Honourable and Learned Gentleman himself discharge some of those arrows at him which he is in the habit of flinging at every leading Member who differs from him. The question is, what was to be done with this money ?—what was to pre vent the Hon. and Learned Gentleman from applying it as he thought proeer ?—what was to prevent him putting it into his own pocket for his own personal aggrandizement ? It appears therefore hardly necessary that I should enter upon the circumstances subsequently stated, and which had been in the hands of every Hon. Member of this House. Was there no Irish patriot who would stand forward to fight the battles of the people of Carlow, and spend two thousand pounds in legal expenses to vindicate their rights, and to do justice to Ireland."—( Laughter and cheers.) It appears that there was a Gentleman who did make enquiries, a Gentleman whose manly and straightforward conduct I have often admired in this House—l mean Mr. Feargus O'Connor.—( Cheers. ) He had inquired after it, for one passage runs thus—" It is not my fault that Mr. Fergus O'Conner called upon you—refer him and every body else to me—( Great laughter and cheering)— ! want part of the I.OOOE to send over."—(Laup:liter.)—And, on the same day the Hon. and Learned Member wrote the following note to Mr. Hamilton : " Sir—l beg you will hand my son, Mr. John O'Connell, the 1,000/. placed with you by Mr. Raphael for my use. My son will give you a voucher for it. " I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient Servant, " DANIEL O'CONNELL." It was on these grounds that I made the observations relative to the Hon. Member for Youghal, as it appeared to me that he should have known, before he went for the money, to what purpose it was to be applied. But if this inquiry goes on, it will be for the Committee to inquire into all the circumstances.—(Cheers from both sides of the House.) I do'nt know that it is necessary for me to make any further observations with respect. to the transaction. I have laid them before the House, as I felt it my duty to do, and if the Hon. Member can get rid of them either by argument or evidence no man will rejoice more at than myself, and the Hon. and Learned Member ought to feel grateful to me. • I shall only make one more observation with respect to what fell from the Honourable and Learned Member for Tipperary on Thursday night.—(Hear, hear.) That Honourable and Learned Member for a purpose which was but too evident—to excite the prejudices of Hon. Members on that side the House. Choose to represent-me, as put forward by the Conservatives. —(" No.") Sir, I happen to have a gentleman sitting behind the Treasury Benches at this moment, to whom I mentioned my intentions two months ago, and if any Hon. Member around me heard me mention it to him within the last month, let him come forward and stamp me as a villain—( Cheers.) The Hon. Member for Tipperary, for the purpose of preju dice, puts me forward as a leader of the Conservatives.— (Loud cheers.) I am not. of the Monboddo Creed of politics.—( Great laughter.) I know nothing of joints anatomically or politically ; but I came into this House a free and independent man, determined to act upon the principles so beautifully expressed by the Noble Lord opposite, when be introduced the Reform Bill, that is the ground on which I am anxious to take my .stand; and if that be, to be a Conserva tive, I openly avow myself one.—( Cheers.) With respect to bribery and corruption. I call on the Honourable Member for Tipperary, and his friends on that side, to say if I ever flinched when they were inquiring into those cases, but I wish to .be consistent.—( Great cheering.) And I cannot understand those Gentlemen, who, after havidg hunted ovsr a small isol a t e d place, lose their scent, and are paralized when they find a wholesale dealer in the material.--(Great cheers.) These Gentlemen call themselves Radicals, and mo nopolize the name of Liberals.—( Cheering.) Liberals, indeed 1 I know enough of such Liberals, as to have nothinf. to do with me who will strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.—(Loud and long continued cheering.) ,The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then moved that a Select Committee be, appointed to enquire into the circumstances, at tending the traffic and agreement between Daniel O'Connell mid Alexander Raphael, touching the nomination and return of Alexamtler• Raphael for the county of Carlow, aud•to report she minutes'of evidence, with their observations thereori. Mr. O'CONNELL then rose, and said, Sir, my first obser vation is; that the resolution proposed is exceedingly paltry ; it does not extend the inquiry to the extent which I challenge and demand. With that observation, Sir, I leave that part of the case. My next observation applies to the com mencement of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's speech. He prefaced the speech, by saying that I was furnished with a copy of the Petition before he was. Now, Sir, that is a fact which I utterly deny.—( Cheers. ) I utterly deny is, and yet when he stated that as a fact, fact, he aas cheered by four fifths of the Gentlemen opposite, thereby showing a partiality at which I am riot surprised--(Hear, hear) _for I believe that they have not even hypocrisy enough to deny that they are willing and anxious to have an oppor tunity of condemning me. Sir, when I heard that cheer it put me in mind of an anecdote which was once told me by the present Lord Chief Justice Buahe— after the rebellion of 1798. I had it from his own lips. He was engaged as counsel for a man named Wexford, who was charged with murdering a man named James White. The trial came on after the Act of Amn esty had been passed, which exempted all eseept those guilty of murder.. (LEFT SPEAKING.) LONDON MARKETS-THIS DAY. (From the New London Price Current.) ' EAST INDIA DITTIEs.—Mr. Ewart, in the House of Com mons last night, presented a petition from the inhabitants of Calcutta, praying the equalization of the import duty from the East Indies ' on Sugar, Rum, Mol asses, and T o bacco, The Ministers did not oppose it, Mr. P. M. Stewart stated his being favourable to a graduated scale that is the idea of the West India interest, the Sugar duty to be yearly lessened till it is equal with the West India. The general understand. ing is that in 1844 this will be made equal. SUGAR,—The West India Raw Sugar Market became very hei.vyl;sl iye&s after the Tuesday the estimated sales were only about 1,500 hhds. and tps,, p. ices 4114 Mien §cl, per cwt. The stock of West India Sugars is now 10,07 Q 111*, -and trs., bein g l9,7 less than last year. The stock of Mauritius is now q 8,054 bags, which is 17,524 'less than last year. The delis4ry of West India last week was 1,939 Mids. and trs., w hich is 242 less than last year. The delivery of igauritiui was E 3 ,75q bags, being 610 less than the eor.r esponding last year s w eek o IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, FEBRUARY 15 The SPEAKER took the Chair at four o'clock. LEEDS AND DERBY RAILWAY. Sir J. BECKETT pres:ented a petition for leave to bring in a Bill for the formation of a Railway from Leeds to Derby.— Leave giveti. Sir E. WILMOT hrought up the Report of the Com: - riace on the Coventry Canal Bill, repurting thot the Standing '....aders had been complied with..—Leave-was given t6b:ing in the - Bill. NAVY ESTIMATES Mr. C. WOOD brought u- the NAvy 'Estimate - J.—Laid on ie table. SUPPLIES Mr. F. BARING brought up the Report of the Committee of Supply. —Ordered to lee printed. Mr. PENDARVES r-oresontad a petition from Runcorn, ia favour of the railway from that town to Marehestor. DIVOaCE BILLS. Mr. TOOKE .said that the motion which he was about to,submit to the House was so perfectly e:::•lanatory in its nature, and the grievance it sought to remedy was so obvious from what had passed in that House during the preceding session—the painful if not disgusting exhibition they had witnessed of the witnesses that 'had been ex amined at the bar—of the counsel spealting so low as not to be heard, or when hearJ, olensive or disgusting—that he hoped be would be c:empted from entering at large upon the motion, which as relative to the grievance it sought to iethed? -.vas, at least, a sal'e exper:ment. He was =ate that an opinion was ente:talued that any legisla tive enactment on this subject was qu.estionable, until some other measure was adopted, he thought t,'art a Select Co-.-.-i -mittee so constituted as. he p - ..0p07ed, would answer tlie pa-- pose. He had spoken to those individuals wl7orn he wished to form the Committee, and the" consented to attend under these circumstances, and to spare the Muse the time and waste of attending to such maters for which it wa perfectly incompetent. He proposed that a Select Courait . ,:ce, to consist of not more than nine Members, farce to he quorum, be appointed, to Whom should he referred ever; Di-. vorce Bill on the second Tooling, w:tli :xraer to ezzmice wi::- ncsses, and verily 4ocurrient: - :-..:7 evidnec, and fae r.p pointment of such . Committee the prr.ctic: of hearing and examining witnesses Et the Vt.:: of the House he dis.:3n -tinned. except when specially orde•-ed. Mr. HUME wished to know if the Attorney-General air proved of this. motion.—( Hen.- her. 7.) This V7OS a very important subject, and he not help thinking not it would be, interfe..ing the clue co:s.r:e cf joe tice ; and therefore any o offi3ers, o: any of his Majesty's A.:in:ste:s lSchg p esont, to his Hon.- Friend'whethcr lie i:a ie a.:70.1ri - eacz in • - '..he . object of this motion, and even 1: he the,y - chght be there to state their reasOns.—(Cries ;.7 "fear, They ought not to proceed till_ they. had asce:t ........ f..•orn law officers of the Crown what it was right to do. had considerable doubt of the propriety of ping a shb ject of such importance into the hands of a few - -nSividh.r.lrs. Mr. TOOKE said - he had been in comraunica;ion with Chancellor of the Exchequer, and•with the Seeretahy.fo: file Home Department on this subject ; and they Were cf opih:ch, at least the first named Gentleman, that his resolhtion was hn improvement on the present syctem, until some be; •ter remedy could be devised. He had also been speahirg to the Learned Gentleman who represents the ToWer Hamlets, who approved of the motion, and into whose hands he would willingly commit the matter. He hoped Hon. Members wouli consent'to the motion as an cxner:ircntal measure, until a more permanent remedy could be devised. Sir ROBERT PEEL wohld be sorry to throw any obilacle in the way,of an imp:ch .- en-rant on the present system; bnt would suggest-the propriety of not deciding a matter of such grave importance without fuller debate and discussion. He thought the present plan of examining witresses ht the Ear acted as a great check to collusion between the parties, and he would wish for titre for cleliberetion. Mr. .DI VETT thought the time had arrived when some change should be made in the system. The exposures which they were in the habit of witressing at the Bar nere either the grossest indecency or a perfect farce. He would not then enter upon a discussion of the question bet he gave notice of his intention, whea the next Divorce Dill came under their consideration, to tale the selse of the Flouse • upon it, with a view to an alte,mtion in the presert mode of Foceedios. Dr. LUSHINGTON thcs of opinion that the practice hitherto pursued in passing Acts of Parliament in individual cases was bad, and he ente..tained z:o doubt that some improve ment in the matter to by the Hon. Merther for Truro should be made. 'He did not agree with the iliecabe for ter to the full extent of hid assertion, that in the majority of cases brought befo -- e the House there was collusion tiC'.:77CCII the par ties. He admitted that the present mode should go a change, and that cases should be referred either to. the tribunal which now has coghiharce of matrimonial suits, or to a new jurisdiction created for the purpose. If new attempts were to be made to alter the mode . of proceeding, he certainly agreed with his Honourable - .l. 7 r:end opposite, the Member for Truro, that rather than have the examination at the bar of the it would be p..eferable'to refer it to a SelectCommitttee. Eh,: I etboughttrrtwhent_esub. ject was daily considered in all Ls ben`.-ihh;s, rot h: stilytaken up bat considered with reereree to the great importvoe of keeping the marriage tics solemn a•:.(1 unbroken, it would be found a legislative remedy vies''only means of tle'rg jastice. Lord JOHN au SSE L consideic.-d the question o: "ht .2.. Ws bpl,-to - 1 was tht , .t the p..e.:,e11;: , mode o 7 Liliofee s shas nei;:ber satisfactory to Pa , ..liamel:; no! &ocie;:y. pemed to him that the ireposiLiol be G"..e the liouso we-at to convert a Select Co, - nrrit:ee into a Tribunal, and that it did_ not male that trihnnal a compe;:er:: comt justice in these cases. There we're to be niTe Members named . to the House to form a select COTII%;;CC, but thezhs was no security thrt those nine Members would be persons iiz whom to place the great judicial powe.s that might. be placed in a competent tr:bunal, wuperly constith;;ed tor the. purpose of deciding those cases. if one man wo : s appointed as judge he woeld not be subject to shell ihterraphois, /red '- 1 ilia discharge of his duty as the mercber of the Cocoh•itt 2 p -, ll * - :;11;, but the Committee would hare all tie 0 7 j, ds . es without the sacred character whica 3udges ()light t per. :sc , 3s. It certainly might be proper to hi ve a remedy, but tl:e Hohse ought not to agree to the motion of his Honourable Friend, subject -of t' a lrw of divorce ( g ltb a e )t He had no doubt when oche: Subjects which mono lira h diatelv pressed for the c onshi.ehation of the House ne.e die_ posed sh !f, be t : l o re e brou The opinion of his Hor. and Lcauecl !end the Member for wthelghTzolefiei,,,rh Hamlets, would, o o u n ld, thls st4ec:; ; but be implored. the House not-to agree to a remedy wllicla Ira thought would be insuaicient, egairhit principle, and indeed NTVSO than the presen: - . course of v-oceeclingh Sir ROBE wr.INGLiS trusted that there would be a ge neral expression of the opirion of tl:ct House oh the rhohon of his Hon. Friend ; I bet hc thought it most r.n f a l r to try the merits of the question in Vie way prop ose : by his motion. He trusted that h is Hon. Friord would not raise the question on an individual case, but make it thoe.subotj.eott-h:ea distinct motion. Mr. O'CONNELL - would. oppose every Bills, because he tlyoug,ht them ttad upon prieciple, this was a refried:7; -it -- was - - ore which was only aeoc abl e tothe rich. He therefore could not sanction any remedy, of the bene3t of which the poor should be deprived. H e s h ould therefore object to the B ills altogether. Mr. TOOKE said that after what had fallen from the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Home Department, although b e thought the reform which he had promised nvigh come too late, still he did not feel disposed to press his notion; he wou l / 4 1, therefore, with the leave of tie House, withdratv it, SHERIFFS' APPOINTMENT IN IRELAND. Colonel PERCEVAL, seein.. the Noble Lord the Secre tary for Ireland in his place, wished to put a question. I-fe bad heard from private sources, as well as through the nowspepers, that a gentleman named Lee, who had gone to Dublin to be sworn in as High She iff, for the County Wexford, had been set aside by the Lord-Lieutenant. Now he, (Col. Perceral,) begged to ask the Noble Lord whether there was any truth in the statements to which he alluded. Lord MORPETH said. the-statement referred to by the lion. Gentleman was quite'. correct. Another gentleman had been substituted for MN Leei,in the office of High Sheriff for the County Wexford. • Colonel - PERCEVAL then gave notice that he would move for aretUrn of the names of the gentlemen recommended by the Judges to 1111 the °Mae of High Sheriffin the several coun ties in Ireland, and also the names of those who had been a.e. tually appointed. • Mr. O'CONNELL wished-that the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman would extend his motion to a period of the last Et: years. 7 . - .0 I e.ft AFFAIRS OF CANADA Mr. ROEBUCK said that as he understood the lion, Gen% ( Sir G. Grey) bad not' made up his mind upon the subject of his (Mr. Robuck's) motion ; and as he wished a private con ference in reiation.toit, - Perhaps it would be as well to postpone his motion for the present.- Sir G. GREY said he lied fully made up his .mind on the subject, and was quite prepared to state his views to the Housa. He thought, as there was row a prospect of adjusting the diffe7ences between this country and the Cani!das, while resocirtions . I.7ece row peneCng, it wo,:ld be exii - ercely injudiciOtis,"and le4to great inconvenience, if . the struction.s given to the Commisionars were to . be made public. Except upon these grounds he hrd no objection wbatevar to the motion. Mr. ROEBUCK—As his object was the same as that of his Majesty's Government, namely --to conciliate all parties in that country and Englandhe'should at once accede to the pro position, and withdraw his Motion. At the same time he wAkild take the liberty of making a few ollseaations viith regard to the state of that country. The Right Hon. Clentleman had said that the House of Assembly had thoe much to conciliate, the Government and the people, and the present Governor, his bearing and conduct, bad done, so far as in him !ay, very Much to conciliate the existing: d'fferenees,—( Hear, hear.) He would take that opportunity sayini; that much :of '"(1 , 0 friendly disposition at present existing was attributable to the Honourable and Learned Member for Dublin, He had had no -- commnication with that Honourable and Learned Member but as he had been often chArged with creating confusion, he (Mr. R. felt much gratiflcat - on ) in bearing testimony tq the fAct, that the Hon. and Ler.rnod Member's name. - and recommendation had been t; :e harbinger of peace- to that country.—( Hear, hear, hear. ) The present Governor, Lord Gosford, acted upofl the principle which seemed Yaouate tee present Govoria... meat, and had done all in his power to conciliete the people of Lniier canada.—( Hear.) In that he had met with Some opposition from A party, which called itself consti, 4tional and Enelisll but }fie kelleXecl 419 c4ertiopq of tip ----- ----- Noble Lord would be attended with success. - He begged to withdraw his motion. Mr. ROBINSON made a few observations, which were quite inaudible in the Gallery. THE MAURITIUS. for i n t -a r. rd RhOisEß ra U oti C on K fi r m ose a f c er. o • m t n h l e ittee pur t p o os i e ntr o i f r . e .b in ri t n o hgitn_ge . admipistration of justice in the island of Mauritius. involved charges a ga i ns t th ree success i ve G overnors of tha ft. t Colon) • and he trusted he should be able to show the a . House facts which would justify him in demanding a Committee. The island was finally ceded to this country in 1814, and contained 50,000 slaves, from 30,00() to 40,000 free . co loured natives, and about 10,000 creoles and whites. He appeared for the whole of that population, except a very small section of the whites, who had usurped the whole of the functions of the. Government, and had turned it to their own advantage. At the time the island came into the posses sion of this country, the English people were very desirous o7puttiog an end to the slave trade, and of ameliorating the con- . d'toit of fle si.aves, and in consequence of the resolutions of that House and the Lords, the King in Council issued regulations which prohibited any governor of a colony, or other officer, from holding, or in any way dealing with, slave property. He, had to charge the whole body of the fundtionaries or the Mauritius with being holders of slave property ; he had to charge Sir C. Colville with trafficking and speculat- • ing in slave prope:ty ; he had to charge Chief Justice Black.i , bu - . ne with the same offence • he had to charge M r . Dick; he had to charge the Judges Of the Sepreme Court ; in fact he had to charge the whole of the functionaries with a groas of that Ordea in Council. They were every one guilty of halding and clea.'ng in slave property. It was well hnown to the Covernent that when that island was ceded to this co: as y there was a body at once foamed hostile to the rui of England, 'az:s.a.e.:lse she wanted to put an end to the tIT de in Hear)—aad wished for amelioration i a t w h e e re con k d a i o ti w on n of the i p f l. e a c e,% 3 As 7 a s s o o v n e e ry s t'ic m Ordersuch fact, he had no hesitstion chaag.ng them with having , iac i e n e as C e o d ul l committed acts almost of open rehe'''on. They were guilty of treasonable conspiracies against the Government and the rule of this country.—(Hear, sea - , hear.) He had ter charge the whole of the fuactioaaa :es, civil and judicial; with It gross violation of that which was law to theof.—(Hear:). These were grave and seeoas chaagee, but he was ready to paove them beibre a Committee of that House. He charged these functions- ins wit': being,. cognisant of these treasonable offences, and not repo:t:.n,g them to theGovoraMent. But iaMig'ut be said how could he-prove the charge ? much iiroof, if the House had much patience.—(fle a o It was t known, or ought to be,' that by a dispatch from the Secretary of Slate, a gave and solemn document, to which:` was attached the name of Lord Goderich ; that chargea-was I made in almost so many words, laid at the door of theso • fuoctionalies, There persons were at thi s t i me en g age d In. altering the Code of the country, a- ad in doing so they had , • tered it in favour of those who were favourable to tine domi nion of England. They altered it in suck a wa y as to excite the suspicion of the Secrete -7 of State. who charaed them with it in a grave and solemn dispateh which hadbeen circulated throughout th e country . If tbi . House world allow `i n. he wot - ..d reed part of the dis • patch. The Hon. Meatber then read part of the dispatch. Let them understand .he state of the colony rat the time of this dispatch. There as an armed associ:iion for the pur pose of throwing off 'Cie English dominioaa. There was also a Council or Committee, called the Colonial Committee, which governed the Colony, and of their proceedings no statement was made but in something like a - a indirect manner: - There wag not the slightest chance of Juste to be obtained by any one Tr.,110 was not connected with this committee or this armed ' o odya At this time also a registration of the slaves was or dered, and this had reference to an endeavour to discover what- slaves had been imported legally, and what illegally. It was stated that a large body of slaves had been imported since the colony was ceded to 'England, and to pre vent such practices in future a registratio n was ordered. Ia 1832, when the colony was in a state of excitement, the English Government thought proper to send out Mr. Jeremie, and his evidence goes a great way to implicate persons hold ing oface there. His evidence was the more important, because in proof of the high opinion entertained of. bie character, ho had been raised from the office of Attorney.. General to that of puiane Judge at Ceylon. Mr. Jeremie stated that his landing at the Mauritius was opposed by ar med persons, because it was supposed that he was the bearer of cer= tain regulations, and he would do his duty with impartiality , : Mr, Jeremie was refused to he sworn in ; the GoVernor did not remonstrate ; and he had to return to England, solely because he was disposed to remedy the abuses cow' plained of. The Government, on his return, dismissed the Governor from office, and he (Mr.• Vot. , ,huck) thought that fact was corroborative of his charges against him, and should induce the House to grant the Committee for which be asked, He now came to the part in which the conduct of the Noble Lord (Stanley) was materially involved. The c harge of treason made 'by Lord Ripon, for it was nothing. less in the despatch from which he had quoted, was not sent out out" the Noble Lord held the seals of the Colonial Office; Tile Noble Lord then allowed a whole year to elapse before it was transmitted. There had not been a single despatch, aid:ol l P the Supreme Court was labouring wider a charge of treason. The Judges who were charged with that treason were left te administer justice, th e f oun t a i n o f w hi c h was po i soned. Not content with this criminal negligence, the Noble Lord, aft er the expiration of a rear, sen d s a d espatc h w i t h . equally crim i na l tiasto. • Without inquiry, without any publ!le investigation, be nverebvyaitlhinegNtohbelree,Loarnr:A frwohnireihlishokislohlovulelddgoewno: exculpates the previous authorities, and inculpates the present., t tn e d F t r h e i n s oh was i a d v o , pose the Noble Lord knew very little about. He. aware that among was s a r t l l.l -0- the erudite and extensive studies 01 Noble Lord he could have included a study of the Talrencli rates of the Mauritius, and he thought it showed a strange con ficlence in his own i nterpretation that he should ground ois despatch upon what he could not be expected to under stand. By this one act he had committed all the faults a statesman could commit. He saw in this a key to the conductof the N o bl e L ord in Ireland, America, Africa, and the lonian Islands. He was ever the friend of despotism, the foment er of dis cor d, an d the supporter of bigotry.—( Hear, and l a ughter- 1 ) He should lik e to l earn how, in the language of the N o ble Lord, wh en spea ki ng the other night, that twelve months ° I delay had been employed ?—was it in forging chains for the people of Ireland after exciting theln to rebellion, and devising penal laws for America ?—( Hear, and laughter.) Th e Noble Lord laughs at the imputation; but he thought it n o subjec t for laughter.—(llenewed laughter.) The Hon. Meinberth ell proceeded to state that the despatch of the Nobla Lord arrived in August, 1832, an d t o d eta il t h e subsequent proceedings Mr. Jeremie, who discovered that a conspiracy existed fronl one end of the island to the other, the shove proprietors weevil arms to prevent an y ame li orat io n of the code, and the impartia administration of justice being T ;reventoi - by the authorities legal an d execut i ve, themselves being slav eowners. Under such circumstances Mr. Jeremie had arraigned the aatt°" ,-- rity of the Judges. Tire Chief Justice Sir Wilriaaa a oalool Ala. Dick the Sec re t ary, and four members tf - lbe Counci l, I.lVere all slave proar;etoas. From a Chief Justice who bad disobeyed the regulation of the Government—a regulatio n that would ha ve p l ace d h i m beyond all suspicion, , a nd 111 violation of that regulation was in possession of slav e property, Mr. Jeremie thought there could be e n . chance for justice, and declined to allow his authoritY; NI; hat did the Chief Justice do ? He shut tip his Court, an d Oita out the prosecutor, Mr. Jeremie. He only allowed 0 0 , 6 •. witness to com e i n a t a t i me , an d a f ter one another. Ha al' lowed no cross-examination in public or in private—no OP' fronting with the accused. He did not even allow the .Wit nesses to be seen b y t h e prosecutor ; and yet he gave judgment' end pronounced sentence in the case.—( Hear.) He ( I ** Roebuck) did not charge him with n e glig ence or w i t h care; lessness. N o Ihe charged him with gross injustice.—( Hear.) It was a farce, and a mockery of justice. As was to be et" peeted, Mr. Jeremie was accused in turn ; and the accusatio n followed immediately the judgment. The charge brought by Mr. Jeremie was against Mr. Blachburne, the Chief Just of the colony. It was made under the provisions of the Orde r in Colwell of 1813, by which no person resident in tie col t) " riles could bold the offices of Procureur-General, ..;udge, pro' teeter of Slaves, Bish o p, p u bli c teac h er, and onrenr two other offices in the service of the Government, who held slaves or any .property cultivated by slave labour. The facts wer.c. those oa-The Cl•icf J us ti ce h e ld slaveaaroperty ; but to avoi d tili.CL'der he disposed of them by notarial agreement to an individual feta 6,000/., and took that individual's note o f hand for . 411 iiAdeflu;to peri o d, a t 5 p er cent., f or t h e money, t h o ugh 'it was well known that that individual was not worth fiftee n hundred pounds in the would.-_( Hear, hear.) On the st - teogth of the transaction he signed the declaration, re gulled lwfore admission to office, that he was not- a, slave bolder, and put his hand to a document which statedathat the money was paid rialenient—realernent meaning a bona fii'e par meat of hard cash. It was a species of fraud practised by thc Chief Justice—by a man w h o, as administering the laws o 'e the colony, should not only have been above all reproach, but above all suspicion. But how came the fact to be found out ? In th e ordi nary course of business .this precious document f e ll into the hands of another Colonial Judge, Mr. Reddie, and es soon as he discovered the Chief Justice to be a slaveholder did as his duty imperatively directed him, informed the f a:4 o ' vernor of the circumstance, and placed the evidence tha i s tamed in his hands. The Governor asked him'for h!,5 on the case, and in accordance with the Goverraor's laque s ], he gave it.--(The Hon. Member then read tla e opinion ,rel the printed Report he held in his hand. .It that the Chief Justice on his own shot'Arg bad falsely fit, scribed a public notarial instrument vernmeot.for the puryose ofr nefitting himself, retaining his q { ice, was to the ell and deceivirg the u e : t by giving a bona ~tde appearance to a trauclulei'e trail:action ; that he bold property cultivated by 09 i, labour; and that he conse quent l y came within the Prlie sions of' the Order in Cou nc il o f 1831, and the law of t colooy founded upon it.)—What was the consequence of aaa a opinion, deli vere d at t h e request of the Goveoa to the Judge ? and what of the accusation to Mr. jer. : J . mie? The Noble Lord then at the head of the Colons o °Mee on receipt of the information despatched an order tcl , Governor, directing hi m , if t h e charges made by those inell duals were not substantiated, to suspend them of once fr e their offices, the one f or bringing the charge, aao r and the other i d offering an opinio n on it. Tus the population of the isle o f slave, w hit e , an d coloured—were placed at the mereYo, the Judge. B u t w h at happened subsequently ? In the L' as $ lonial Office eefetary sueeeeded Secretary like spectre; l'of show, and therefore there was little opportunity for ill hi . them to give ally subject deep consideration. B u t theytt have acted with common decency for all that. The s ucces 9 o f of the N o bl e L ord not alone declared that the Judges ave r the highest character—though stained with that uncleared, cusation-,boa actually re-installed M. D'Epi na y, tbringl,„, slavohold er , an d h av i ng a t p resen t hi s c l a i ms b e f ore t h e Cur missione rs f or compensation under the late, AV', ill hie offie (