The Sun. — London, England, 1821-02-23 00:00:00

avashis Conviction, that the attempt that had beep made to bring about the restoration of the Cur rency was at the bottom of the public distress.- - England was the only part of the world which, after possessing many years of peace, was still in this unfortunate predicament, that her finances and the creneral . _state of her affairs were in the most unhinged and unsettled state. England was the only place in this situation except America— ..kanealca, where precisely the same system of pager currency had been in operation. lie sin cerely hopealgtat the distress and enabarrassment of the present day ..vould operate as a solemn -wa-irrng to the country . , and to future times, not to depart from the settled established standard of valae. it was attended with evils which were caral- , ss, and generally speaking, the mostavorthy, tt;k., most Innocent, and the most honourable, be came the dupes of the system. Fie perfectly con carred -with his Honourable Friend (Mr. Gren fell), that the Bank ought to be relieved from the restriction under which it was placed. The saaaer they collected their one pound notes and inucal sovereigns in their stead, the better. Mr. GRFNFCLL explained. He did not mean to throw the slightest blame on his Honourable Vriend (Mr. Ellice) for making the speech which felt from him that - evening. - N!r. D. GILBERT concurred in all that had been said with respect to the 'evil effects of departing -ilaan the established currency, and concur red with the lionoarable Gentleman (Mr. Baring) in hoping that they may operate as a warning to - . posterity. Mr. lAN - ;so said a feW words, after which the Petitions were brought tfp and ordered to lie on the table. . Sir's. Acr, IND presented a Petition from De: vonsliire, complaining of Agricultural Distress. Ordered to•lie on the table. Mr. LAIIIITON preseuted a similar Petition from Durham. The Honourable Gentleman said, that with respect to the Corn Laws, his opi nions remained the same. He would, if called upon, give the same vote now which he had given when those laws were under the consideration of the House. He was convinced that no protect ing duties would give any relief to farmers whilst taxation remained at its present height—(Hear!) 'PARLIAMENTARY REFORM Mr. 13 . EArmoNT presented a Petition from cer tain individuals at Morphet, praying for a Re farm in the House of Co►nmons.—Ordered to lie on the table. LIMERICK ELECTION. The Petition against the . Election of the County of Limerick was ordered to be taken into consideration on the 15:11 of March. ASSESSED T.xxE. Sir M. W. RIDLEY- moved for an account of the ::'amber of .surcharges on individnals.paying As- Taxes up-to the 20th of April, and the . slumber of those who appealed.--Ordered.-=- . The Hon. Barouet.also gave notice-of. a Bill al !:wing persons to compound for Assessed,,Taxes. Mr. LTISIIINGTON said, that the questiOn 'was under the consideration of Government. . Mr. Dzsm tx said, that not .seeing the .Soll citor,General in his place, he %%Could not at pre sent take any step with respect to the. right as- , sumed by Courts of Justice to inflict fines on feAdants for expressions made in the course of their defence. MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. A Message. from the Lords, brought down by Justice Bayley and another Judge; informed tw.4 Rouse that their Lordships had agreed. to thl. Queen's Annuity Bill without any amen& ts. GENERAL GAOL DEL!VERT. Mr. IVEsTEnN wished to know froM the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) whether any decisive step bad Even taken by Government on this subject Lord CASTLEREAGH said,' that lie considered no object of greater importance to the general "trarir a uillity of the country, and to the cause of burna7i - ty. lie could assure the Hon. Member that Government did, not relax their efforts res perAing it, and he believed the only question now was, as to the particular period which should be L._l(l. upon to give effect to the principle. kIT.MAINHAM MEETING. - fiord loam ItussELL Said, he rose for the pur pole of presenting a Petition from the Nobility, (;e ,try, and Freeholders of the County of Dub.; agreed upon at - a Meeting held in the City Before he proceeded further, he deemed it necessary to express his regret, as well as glieprifc., which would be shared no doubt by the if ou:- - ;e; that there being .so many able Mem from that part of - the United Kingdom from which the -Petition proceeded, the Petitioners should have chosen him to lay their appeal be fri.ip.thelionse, but he had nb doubt that in so doiny, they *ere actuated 'by this generous feel- Which was an attribute of the national cha-; ratter ; that they desired to convey the opinion, that the grievance of whiCh they complained, 071(7i of the whole kingdom; and that if the i'...;?reson-tation did .liot coistderit one _ in behalf, of the whole kingdom, they to complain of, the Petitioners did urge it as merely affecting them riThe Petition stated that in the month ! - .'-cember last, a requisition was presented to Sir . Steele, the High Sheriffof the . County of D:ll.iin, requesting him to convene a meeting for the : purpo=,e of voting a dutiful,. loyal, and affed tionate.Address to •his Majesty. That this Ite luisition was afterward,pulgished, with a Notice from the Sheriff, calling on the Gentry, Clergy, and Freeholders to assemble at the new Court. botiSe,at Kilrnainham, on the 30th of December. " lie knew the' Noble Lord oppOsite (Lord Castle r'. reach) had said that 'County Meetings did not express the , sense of the Country. He begged leave. to say, that this doctrine had not always ;. that till the supporters of the Adrni '''lritratian had been defeated in ''almost every in 4. stancer; they had held up County Meetings as the p'..oper te'st of the public opinion; it was not till the " grapes 'were sour" that they found out that County Meetings were no expression of the opinion of the Conkry.---(Hearl)L—Pursuant to Ill.?: notice Of Sir R.. Steele, on the 30th Of Dec. a'number of Freeholders assembled round:the &lee the' Court-house 'at Kilmainham,• at . 12 and. at' 1 o'clock demanded admittance,. viten they were told by the o£qcers" Veto fttecd'ed at the dear, that no one could be admitted who was not specially pointed out by the Sheriff. At - last, at a quarter past one, the doors were opened and the Freeholders who entered found the gal lery and part of The body of the Court occupied, chiefly by the Requisitionists. by the Magistrates of the County and 'City of Dublin, and ae great number of Poli"Ce Officers. This preSence of Poe lice Officers, he might observe, thus early, might be supposed to have done away with the necessity. of any military interference. Two persons_then addressed the Meeting, who were inaudible; but the Sheriff stated that it had been moved by Lord How th, and seconded by Lord Frankfort, that an address should be presented. He did not submit the Motion on the Address to the Meeting, but proceeded to 'nettle a Committee to prepare the Address. A respectable Freeholder objected to this mode of proceeding, and required that the question should be put. This the Sheriff refused, and he refused also to take an objection to one of the 'names, or to put a question upon . it. TbiS was a singular way of proceeding in a deliberative assembly ; for what would be thought in that }louse if the Speaker proceeded to name a Committee to prepare an Address without an Ad dress having been voted.—(Hear !)—Though the Gentleman who addressed the Sheriff was a free holder, the Sheriff said that if he did not desist he would turn hint out. When the Address was put, a freeholder of property, and one of his Ma jesty's Counsel, Mr. Burne, rose to move an amendment. This Gentleman prefaced his ob servations by 'a declaration of his loyalty to the King's person and family—.so far he was heard •with patience ; but when he observed that he also disapproved of his Majesty's Ministers, he was interrupted by the High Sheriff, who observed that this topic was irrelevant, and that he would not allow Mr. Burne to proceed. It was hardly necessary to argue in that House, that Mr. Burne's observations were perfectly relevant. Loyalty• and attachment to - the Throne being the ordinary duties of the subject, were in ordinary times only to be shesin by obedience to the laws. To• justify any extraordinary profession of that loyalty it was necessary to state the circumstan ces which required, at the particular moment, that loyal snbjects should approach the Throne' with their declarations. The circumstances which were stated ins the loyal Address moved by Lord Howth were the machinations of the evil-minded, and the prevalence of blasphemy and sedition. : ,, e. It was, of course, open to the Mover of •the Amendment to ascribe the danger impending over the Throne to a different cause, and• to say that his Majesty's Ministers, were the cause of the evil.—What his opinion was. as to the com parative correctness of the two opinions, was not necessary for him then to say. But certainly his • Majesty's Ministers had countenanced the opinion of M-r.'Burue rather , than that of" Lord Howth ; for, in the Speech from the Throne, they had taken no notice of the alleged blasphemy and sedition, - and in the face of this.danger they had reduced the army, and one of his Majesty's Mi nisters, in giving up the Bill of Pains and 'Penal ties in the Lords, Said, that he did so on account of the stete . af the country,.which; of • course, it was to be inferred . the introduction of that Bill had • occasioned.—[Lord T. here- - read lebe.. l Amendment of Mr. Burne, to shew that it con tained nothing disloyal or seditious ; it was a re monstrance against the Counsels of his Majesty's Ministers„ and a prayer to the 'King. to remove. them.]—He thought, at least, no man• in that House would deuy that the conduct of. the Mi- . nisters might- be such that it would- be incum bent on men with the wannest loyalty in their hearts, to go up with such sentiments.— T.he High Sheriff was not aware of this part of the Constitution, and declared that if Mr. Burne did not desist, he would call in the military—(Hear, hear !)—At this moment, it was necessary to state, a part of one, of his Majesty's regiments was stationed as a guard at Kilmain ham Gaol, near the Court House. The Sheriff then refused to put the Amendment ; he put the Address in. the affirmative only, and when a few bands were held up in its favour, though there was a general cry against it, he declared that-it was duly carried. This was enough irregularity in one day—(llear, hear !)—and if the High Sheriff had followed the example, even of the most vio lent Sheriffs in England, he would have stopped him. The freeholders, on the Sheriff having left , the Chair, voted Lord Cloncurry, a Magistrate' of the County, into the Chair, that they might proceed to consider of another Address:- This . Meeting being in a room, was perfectly legal by the late Acts. The High Sheriff, however, de clared that-the Meeting was illegal, ande corn mending all loyal . men to follow him, left the 'Hall. Soon after, a party. of soldiers with. load ed muskets and with drawn bayonets entered the Hall, and, having made their. way through the Hall-to Lord Cloacurry, and notwithstanding his appeal to them as a Magistrate, by threats and -violence- to• his- • person i e compel! ed. him- to. retire. There.. was one• assertion added in this Petition,' .which; if not contradicted, could not fail to in duce the House to agree to a - Committees which he hereafter intended to move. During this proceeding, and previously, the .Meeting had preserved the most perfectly orderly conduct ; and, if there had been any disorder, the Police officers who were -present were sufficient to have quelled it ; .or, if necessary, 'to have dispersed the Meeting—(Hear would he unbecoming for him to say a word to press the illegality of this' conduct on the Ileuse. If he did so,.he must sup pose them dead to the wholesome jealousy at the introduction of the military power ; he must sup pose. that all their feelings for the people were gone, -should he deem_ it necessary to shew, that if such conduct was .permitted,• the Constitution could no longer exist---(Hear !)—An Address con.; taining the same statement as that in the Petition was sen t to the Lord Lieutenant, and no answer was immediately returned. Time was given for a corn rnunkation with. England, and the-answer which was finally returned could not be considered as that of the IrisleGovernment,.but as coming'fron-I .the same pizee., from which with such haste thanks were communicated to the Magistrates and Yeomen of Manchester—(Hear, hear !)-The answer. was, that the -Courts of Law. were open to the cornp.!aints of tire pet:tic/rte.:S. Thay. ware to go into the Courts of Law without any assist ance from his - Majesty's Ministers; and with the conviction, that - the. whole influence of the Irish . Governtherit, as well as-of a powerful faction'in that country, would, be 'employed to frustrate their attempts. But he had always understood, that unless from a corrupt intention, the Courts of Law Were both to Interfere, either by infortna tion or by indictment. But the . House wothil o see ; that it was _fit not only that an officershoultf not act from a corrupt motive, but that lie should not violate the Constitution by . intemperance ; for it often happened, unfortunately, that those Who were perfectly sincere acted verymischie vously,.and- displayed - their zeal in proportion as they departed from their duty—(llear, hear!) — If, therefore, they believed the facts, it was the duty of the Government to take notice. of the transaction, and if the Government refused to do so, it became the duty of the House. For what did they sit there, but to protect the interests of -the subject, and to redress grievances=a duty which was not to be postponed to the voting of money or to disgusting inquiries. The celebrated Protestation of Right, of 16'21, declared " that the arduous and urgent affairs concerning the, King, State, and Defence of the Realm, and of the Church of England, and the making and maintenance of Laws, and redress of mischiefs and grievances which daily happen within this realm, are proper subjects and matter of counsel and debate in Parliament." He Would put it to the House, wheth y or this 6onduCt - of the Sheriff was not. one of the mischiefs which daily happen within the realm? Again, the Bill of Rights declared " that for redress orall grievances, and for the amen&- ing, strengthening, and preserving of the "Laws, Parliaments ought to be held frequently." if the House, then, acted in the spirit of that cele brated statute, and that memorable protestation, the House would be more attentive to prevent i,ofringementf of the Constitution. He had heard, that 'the Grand Jury of Dublin had sanctioned the conduct of the High Sheriff. If this was true, the necessity for the House to interfere became the stronger, because the act of a hot-headed officer became that of a great faction., That such a fac tion existed, 'to oppress the country which it should have r protected, was but too trite; and it had happened more than once that that unfortu nate island had met with - injury from those from whom ititad•a right to expect kindness ;' it was that faction which attempted to govern Ireland, which made it impossible for any''Government to do justice evenly among the people, which per. the best human and the best divine institutions-, had turned the revolution of 1688; to the purposes of tyranny and intolerance, and had -drawn from the mild doctrines - of Chris tianity, a pretence for'. fury and persecution.— (Hear, hear!)-The Noble Lord concluded by moving that the Petition be brought up. The Petition was brought up, and Lord 3. Russell moved that it be 'read. Mr. 'TALBOT said, in seconding the motion as one of the Representatives of the County of Dublin, I feel myself called upon to say a -few words on the subject of the Petition presented and-supported by the Noble Lord with so much ability. I was - not p - , sent when the outrage C9Wpifiirielel e ;ef—wystx,osrtz 'led.: but I. Inivzir no 1,04 sitation in. saying, from every circumstance which has come to my .knowledge, that the Petition contains a c)rrect, although a moderate, state ment of. the atrocities which took. place on that occasion. Shortly after the period alluded to in the. Petition, I had - the honour to be called to the chair at.. a - numerous and most respectable meet ing of the Freeholders of the County of Dublin, the great part of whom had attended at Kilmain ,ham, on the special invitation of the high Sheriff, - with the impression on their minds, that every freeholder would be at liberty to deliver his sen timents on any measure to be proposed ; instead of which, they had the mortification to witness a scene so disgraceful as to be unparalleled in the annals of any. civilized country—a meeting so called together and so dispersed by a military force ; in consequence of which, the meeting -1 had the honour to presideat was convened, for the purpose of petitioning Parliament for redress, and.met not at Kilmainham, tile usual- place where county meetings are held,, but in the city of Dublin, out of the reach of that, power which had already insulted them ; and the Petition now before you was there unanimously adopted. And the Petitioners are anxious to prove the truth of the allegations therein contained by affidavits or _respectable witnesses, at the Bar of this House. However great my personal esteem may be for the High Sheriff, I cannot avoid saving, he has, from some very unaccountable misconception of his duty, been-misled into a gross violation of the constitution ; for after baying convened the meet ing, it was his bounden duty to put the question on. the Amendment, which he had no right to as sume was less loyal than the Address proposed. Mr. Talbot then begged leave to read the fol lowing.ev.trimisd a_3 utter-from Mr..tharne., de scribing the dispersion of the meeting.:— " When :just inti,te act of I roposioc the 4inenilment, and before 1 bad time to read it, the military were called io, and dispersed the Mdeting. '1 had a copy of it in ray hated at the time, which 'fell down in the confusitio, and stoopinz to take It np perhaps saved my life, for a soldier came at the 'rear of the seat I was on, - and violently thrust in his musket, which, if - it had coins in contact with my head, might have broken it, hard a+ it is --ViLangh)., If n Committee is wanted to ingoire into the allegations of the Petition, I am ready to go over to be examined, as W. It as several others." , Now,, allow me to say (continued Mr. Talbot), if the House of Cothmons suffer such proceedings to pass unnoticed, in future a County Meeting will inde'ed-nerit . no better name than a Political Farce. Sir, niy. countrymen are an open-hearted, generous people, and ,are always gfateful for any kindness sbewn them ; and if his'Majesty's Mi nisters either give them back their Parlia ment, or the . full benefit of al! those advantageous promlses made' to them on surrendering their in dependence us a separate kingdom, by doing away all reliz,ious distinCtions, and - by repealing, that most odious of taxe's, at least in Ireland— that on . .the light of • Heaven ; and should they want an equivalent for revenue, they, easily can find One by imposing a per tentage on the in corries'of those absentees, who, having sold their country - , then deserted it. By such means they may be•certain of lobtaiing the unbOuAt Ad dresses,- not only of the County of Dublin., but of the whole population of Ireland, without re sorting to military or any other discreditable and ille ;al means of interference. The' Petition was then read,—Lord J. Itus- SELL moved that it be referred to a Select Coin- mittee, to consider the matter thereof and to report thereupon. Mr, C. GRANT acknowledged the candour with which tire Noble Mover had brought thaaques tion beforette House. He was anxious - to ata, dress the Hdlise, mote espAally upon the cesatlO duct of the Irish Government in relation to this affair, than upon the abstract merits of the case. And with that view he would state that it had no connection uhatever with any part of the, proceedings upon which the petition was found ed. 'NCr communication had been made to it,no connexion of any kind had subsisted either With the preparation of the, meeting, or with the ob jects for which it was assembled. He hoped that it was. not necessary for him to make .that (Us claimer,, yet under the particular circumstances of the case, he thought it advisable to do so. At the Same tithe he also felt himself called upon to say, that the individual against whom the accu sation was made was, as far as he had any knowe ledge of his character, a person of perfect re spectability. No man deprecated the interfer ence of a military power more than he (Mr. Grant) did, where the ditty to be discharged was one properly belorigiog - to the civil authorities. And he would say that the same : feelings were as decidedly entertained by thelriSliGovernMent. He would say it boldly, because he knew tt could not be denied s ---(Hear, hear, hear De---It had been a principle laid down and acted upon by the Government of Ireland 'throughout the whole of this proceeding, - to abstain from expressing any opinion upon the charges which were made; and in the course of the remarkS which he had to offer to the House, he should adopt • that prin. ciple, 'and avoid speaking to the merit of the question at issue. He should confine himself to a statement Of what had been the 'conduct of the Irish Government, and to the course which, in his humble judgment, the House ought to pursue upon the present occasion. lie should only do that which in justice to both parties he was bound to do, lay before the House the statement of the accused individual, in opposition to the state ment of the petitioners. He would not take upon himself to say which was entitled to credibility, but he had scarcely ever seen two descriptions of any one object which so directly contradicted each other. A letter which he had received from the Sheriff, stating what passed at the meet ing', was supported by the affidavits of -Many in dividuals of high respectability, said by the decla rations of others who offered to depose upon oath to the truth of the statement. Thatetatetnent opposed a flat contradiction to almost every circumstance detailed in the Petition. In the first place,. it denied the assertion that :he address was not put to the meeting. It affirmed positively that the ques tion was put and carried w4thout opposition. The next denial was as to the appointment of the Committee. The Sheriff did not appoint the Committee, but merely named the first, who named the second, and so on in the manner in which all . a'iich Committees were appointed. It was further declared by the Sheriff, that he never wrutitmed dm - -military -Tv -441 c tia iv a, 114 tine Cur's House. • The statement that he refused to put the amendment was also affirmed to be Untrue. The request, he said, was never made to him ; and if it had, the uproar was so great. he could not have heard it. There was one circumstance, however, not in the- statement of the Sheriff, which he (Mia Grant) confessed would have • created more satisfaction. It did not :repre:- sent that the amendment had, in fact, been put. But he knew that the Sheriff had de clared to the Lord Lieettnant that it was put, and his declaration was confirmed by the affi davits of others who heard him. Another asser tion, contained in the Petition, that the muskets of the soldiers were loaded, was contradicted by the Officer commanding the detachment, and whose letter to that effect he then held in his hand. Their bayonets had also been unfixed when they received orders to march to the Court-house. A etc.r having dissolved the meeting,the Sheriff proceeded to state, he considered its continuation to be illegal, and having in vain appealed to the Civil Power, he had no other resource but to call in the aid of the military. • The detachment to which he had made application, was the Ordinary-Jail Guard, and had not ,beeti appointed with any view* con nected with the Meeting. These were the cir cumstances under Which the case had been brought under the notice of the Irish Govern ment. On the one hand it had received the sanction of the Petitioners, and on the other, that of the Sheriff and other respectable individuals, containing the . most direct contradictions to each other. The . question then was, what course the Government ought to pursue ?.And he could not see, in the face of such contradictions, how a censure could hese been justified upon any party. Now he was ache that it had been. urged, that-ail investigation ought to have been ordered 'by the Government of Ireland. But in answer to that he would ask, what power could the Exe cutive Government invest. With authority to bear evidence upon. the subject upon oath? And with out that bond, who could expect but • that the same statements would be made over: again, of which the Government were previously in pos session ? He conceived such :a course to be quite impracticable. • Still more monstrous and ridicu lous was the proposition that the Government ought to have suspended the High Sheriff. For he denied the existence of any poWer which jus tified such an act, Under all the circumstances of the case. It was necessary, even if such an ex ercise- of authority was ever warrantable, that the proof which was acted upon should be clear and undisputed. The Lord Chancellor could not suspend a Magistrate .Without the clearest and most positive nroef of misconduct, and the same principle would apply to the Government with regard to the removal of Sheriffs. He believed there was only one •instance in which a High Sheriff h'id been removed from his office, and that was in a case in which the individu al confessed an act which was an acknow ledged violation _of the duties of his situation. But here was a' question disputed froin first te last, upon which a resort to • sec's an ex iremity was recommended. besides this, there were many - legal questions which must be de cided before a just decision could be arrived at. Such questions could only be determined in a Court of Law. The Courts of Justice were open, and it was to them the injured parties ought to apply for redr(Ss*. lie was certain this was a case which ought to lie decid€d by the re aler tribunals of the country. Tha parties who. ,complained Avere men of rank, talent, and wealth; . some of them were itc \ customed - to address juries, and were sufficient judges whether or not the case could be carried into Court - . Immediately after.the occurrence of the business, the general impresion was, that the question was to tie sub- Mitted to the legal tribunals of the country, and 'ho •was-.not aware that the intention of proceed ing w!th that coarse had ever beta altered. Ho wished to enforce the necessity. of separating as much as possible the executive power, from the discharge , of, that duty which accompanied the office of High Sheriff: r In the Courts of Justice the .came.. distinction. should be drawn .as widely as possible, so that, the people might repose un qualified conAdencein-• the administration of the laws., Throe years - ago the .Sheriffs in Ireland yeeFe completely-under the influence and tram mels of the Executive Government. And when, bv -a. late Act, the appointment of persons to that office was placed on the Fame footing as if% England, he was of opinion that a great benefit had. been conferred upon that country ; because. he thought tlattppointment ought not to depend upon .Gove.rnment, any More than the conduct of a She— riff should. be subjected to. that Government's arbi trary, decisions. ..fie would, .upon all- occasions, reprehend the principle of allowing interference on the part of the Executive,. in the sdministra tion of the laws. It should be a rule hi which at/ exceptions-Ought to be - avoided.. 13ecauseif the principle was non-interfe=rence, the exception must be interference. This question did not affect the privileges of. the House, but jusitly be longed to the regular tribunal of the . Country and the decision of that tribunal was likely. to be most _consistent with the ends of justice. It was 'well known that any evidence given before that ,House would not be upon oath. Indeed be did not know why one party wished to avoid an appeal to the law. If what they stated eras true, nothing was more certain than that they would ebtain a triumphant verdict. He confessed that it appeared strange to him, that • they should so anxiously prefer the interference of the House 'of Commons,underall the circumstances to which he had adverted. According to his opinion, the course which the- House was hound - to pursue was, to leave the cr.se untouched and unpreju diced to the common law of the land.. Mr. M. FITZGERALD COllithellCed - !.),,i7 pronounc ing seote high encomiums upon the Right Hone, Gentleman who spoke last, whom he tepresented P.3'svekin4 every opportniiity of introducing prat:- • tically iate, Ireland the principles and operation of the liiitish Constitution:. H e conceived that the argaMents which that Right Hon. Gentleman. had used upon' the present question went to con vince him (Mr. M. F.) that a Parliamentary in vestigation-of the subject before the House was absolutely necessary. It had been admitted bvi 14.... :•11: 6 -ht 11... n. Gitittlernat;, tl-nme -:).:r.v- te, q ui was called for, but the question was,'before at tribunal should it talee place ? Not before that House, it was said, because the question did not affect their privileges. Now he said that it dici affect its privileges. For that which affected the privileges of the people, affected the privileges é that House. - And one of their most important 1 privileges, the right of petition, had been violated upon the occasion in question. Wh E n s uch * question was referred to a Court of. Law , thy , idea tb e freeholders ryas e t ug It or to o e i x e c c i o te un i t a y lg to ht b e e r. ro l ir o Zserf r o ; thisoutrage ? how were the people of Dublin. to be'redressed ? Did not the petition which they. wet s stopped from makingrelate•to matters then peon' ing in Parliament ? And the only redress thef f were to expect for such an outrage upon olle °, their most sacred rights was—a law suit wilt' the High Sheriff. But what -was of infiuitelY more cons ,, quence than all was, that the proceed' ings went to affect the Constitu ion. For if the interference of the military was allowable in. 0* coun'y of Dublin, it was allowable also la th 4 county of Middlesex, or in any county in the kingdo:n. lie objected particularly: to any T' o2 . ceedings in the Courts of Law in Publitt,:bev u * it-was impossible to pricure juries who' were no''' directly or indirectly parties' to the prose' d' ings themselves. The Right tionoUrable Ger' tleman -said, that it was not the practice 0 call in . question the conduct ofSheriffs. NOW be t himself recollected one case', which stmnewh" as:;imilated to the present. The Hole Member then proceeded to describe what passed at th e meeting at Kilm sinham, according to an accoun t which he had received from an individual w ll° • went there with the intention of 'voting for t i c -Ad deess. . - He. "believed stmt the- statement : • -•7 , 1 in the Petition l , that the Address was not me', and seconded, was not, correct. The two I`; ol3 ' e ' Lords having been shut out of the Court-ho t el; by th e crow d, were wound u p byp u llies, 3 ,, ,,, introduced through the windows.—(A laugh.) 5 After which, in' the midst of such confusioa a prevented most petipie . from knowing what wr , going on, they moved and seconded the -A- (1 13 dress; stepping forwaiel, and bowingto ",, t i . , other very like "-the two other Lords, Nt0".4.) and Dowd e, in Tom Thumb.—(Loud lauglO w " . ., —The interference of the military which fog' ) t ,. ed the Sheriff's attempt to dissolve the "w e ' a hie, was . consonant to that system which I : e a been the misfortune of Ireland. The Hone"' .' s bte Member alluded to a meeting held in bl i ?g st County, for the purpose of "petitioning ag un ,, s the Union, at the time ,when that m easure " stationed' adopted, where, he said, troops were a and several pieces of artillery, loaded d had • shot; were pointed towards the meeting, an ~, the effect of preventing all discussion of the ' top ''_ • upon which it had been assembled,. it was nobr .. said . , that the bayonets were not fixed by . the w r i e litary at Kilmainham. He believed tit .y w . c not. They were Letter soldiers, and knew tl e * for close action, they would be more serviceable with grape in their hands. ' The; had proceeded upon Ira . Military princ:ples.. - tie was of :opining that the