The Sun. — London, England, 1839-02-26 00:00:00

CO ROYERSHIP FOIL MIDiOLESEX. The final state of the poll for the office of C,roncr for the eras of Middl esex , is ycsterday declared Mr. Sheriff JotiNsotf to be as follows Mr..Wakley. • • Air. Adey 2,015 582 I\'lr. Majority 1,433 Nl:7akley vas therefore declared duly ,letted. This #44u.icei-leat was reccivc ,l with loud cheers by the Ilrge crowd assembled in fro:at of the Im..tinci on Clerk-env...ell green. Mr. WAKLEI having been sworn in, proceeded to address th e crow d . who cheered him on coming f r nr ward. He sa id h e wls g l a d to recogn i se t h e ' 4OO Of many f.icnds around him who bad long stuck by bin, and he also recognised the faces of natty who h a d f ormer l y b een enemies, but were now con verted into friends. His friends had gone on increasing' f rom 3 ear t o year. Wh y was this ? Because he had ' 4 Ver abused the confidence reposed in hint, but had always socceutsd (.very peblic pr&eesion be had made. It was im- Possible t o please some eisrsens without ing as black heseed as themseves. Those persons were:ell' his ene mies he was happy to say ; he should be serry to have them otherwise. For svese they ever to become his friends, he should feel that he must have been guilty of some act for ehich he ought to ferfeit th e con lid eece o f all holes( rase( '' as it . was only on such tenses that the friendship of such inert could be procured. Where !rss old Grade now ? He hoped he should never ilaye him fir his friend, and he supposed he should never s 'e him until he h e ld an i nquest on hi s f i lthy body.— (Cheers. } He suppos e d th a t h e was ret i re d to hi s country " o tise, where he had concocted that admirable scheme fur Splitting the Coronership into two, in order that he (Mr. Wakiey) m i g h t b e kept out entirely. The office of Cc. leher was one possesseine very important privileges. He n 'ul sworn that day allegiance to the Queen, but he was not indebted for Isis place either to the Queen cr her Minis ters-obtit to the free choice of the people ; and he should never forget film whom he held that office. He would ever he the - people's Coroner. The powerful could pro tect themselv es, but it is the poor labourer who stands in !iced of the.. protection of the law.--( Cries of " Hear, • There was an interruption, in consequence of a .raggon attempting to pass through the crowd ) Mr. ;Ye; to drawing the attention of the police to the subject " I do not wish to begin my work here this after : a° "." Why was it that this office of Coroner had never bProv e d a protection to the people ? Because it had hitherto 5 0 0 held by t h ose w h o wou ld truckle to magistrates and 'se high in authority. The judge who presided in that court should be capabie of testing the evidence of witnesses by cr oss-examination and re-examination, so as to get at the tru th; and who could thus test medical evidence except a co toner? Some of those who opposed him had pretended they could not see this, but none are so blind as those. who will not l See . The b us i ness of the Coroner ' s Court should no onger be s l urre d over, h e would see justice done to the lative s of those on whom an inquest might be held, and, if he found that any one had rendered himself ansenable th the laws, he should suffer if he (Mr. Wakley) could ' m ake him suffer. If thig were not to be the case, a Coro per's inquest would be a useless mummery. He would discharge hi s d uty f a i t hf u ll y, an d h onestly, uninfluenced by e es, not that h e wou ld h ave i t i n f erre d t h at h e wou l d ma re to be a olitician. No, he would still b e a R a di ca l on .'itherson Green, he would still be a Radical in the House Crn ramous, but in the Coroner's C our t h e wou ld b e a 41411411 Judge, holding the balance of justice even, with cut k leaning on either side. All that the Radicals de sired was, to live and let live. Those who said they de thsired more, belied them. H e h a d h ear d that there were ose who desired the people should use torches and pikes. sir any such propositiou were made to him, he should de the person wh o ma d e i t to ta k e t h e torch and . pike p' als cif, and lead the way • and when he saw b ow hi s L r ase took it, h e s h ou ld be better able t o ma k e ip his mind as t o f o ll ow i ng i t.—( C r i es of " Hear, u3"h ea ") Changes should nut be sought by force; at was gained by f orce was f requent l y l ost e i ther by ree or fraud. It was only by peace and union that they Could urge their claims upon the Legislature, in such a anner as to be certain of obtaining what they desired. "rh , question of the repeal of the Corn-laws was lost the ot her night; and why? Because we were so foolish as to suffer the landlords exclusively to legislate for us. The t ; -4 'arrt was not up y et , b ut i t wou l d b e soon ; and I 'eh the l an dl ords would quietly submit, and say thathad they did not know before that the public mind Tbeen made up upon the subject. He had heard at th e R a di cals were unmindful of this question, and athought only o f t h e extension of the suffrage. He wished ° s ee the su ff rage extended as widely as possible • but still he could not be indiff eren t to t h e sufferings Of his starving fellow -countrymen in the north of England. He could not bid them starve for three or four years more, nhd be above the paltry consideration of the sufferings of their wives and children. For be could not believe that man who was careless of the well-being of his ' a mity could he sincere in his professions of patriotism. 4 e . would have them cif:mend justice, not for Ireland only, for England and Fseotland also, and they might thank i n t ieir own supineness if they did not succeed in obtaining Suppose a we',t of filthy water to be in the middle of Joss green, and I.V . .ey were forced to purchase that filthy water at sixpeoce a gallon when good sprin water could be p rocure d a.t. a halfpenny per gallon, would tile House of Commons, if a complaint were made to them on this sub jset, suffer such a monopoly to continue? Certainly , Cot..( Hear, hear)—because they are not a Par liament of water-carriers. And why should Parliament ` l itrer the monopoly of landholders to treat us in this reitmer. Mr. WAKLEY, retired amidst loud cheering, but imme !-“ately returned and said, " Dont let me have to hold an 4 west on any of you."—(Cheers and laughter.) ri le crowd th en quietly dispersed at five o'clock LAW INTELLIGENCE. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' COURT, FMB. 25. 1.1 - V ir irt/ Gon p tz described as " formerly of Sparrow a " Streatham , and afterwards of the Rules of the Quee n ' s 1-1 Bench Prison, Gentleman, Ensign of the South snts 6711 Militia, and agent for the discounting of bills, and discount er an d d ea ler in wine, wine warrants, and ge h " e thl dealer,"'appeared to be heard. .._ I le was opposed by Mr. Dowse on the part of the repre utatives of Mr. Gregory, James Best, and also for a r• Thomas Taylor Webb. Three creditors, named Net e,ferd, thigh, and Stevens, appeared in person. Mr, Ni seu°ll3, Mr. Cocke, and Mr. Woodreffe, appeared for the itolvent. An analysis of the schedule filed in this case, exhibits cr editor s to the number of 232, and debtors to 69. The sn ots ot l "iug by the insolvent are set forth at the amount of 103,006/. 15s. 9d., of which 19 ,6"'1/. s s . 9d. are liabilities, and 10, ' l3O/. 3 - 2 . A ,, wi ce entered, l eav i ng t h e b ona fid e d e bts t 063 la. Debts claimed by the insolvent amount ; of this sum 34,5261. 12s. are said to be good. " prope rty gi ven up an d i n the h an d s o f creditors i s es at.ed at 2 1,4481., and a further sum to property in a suit 5 0,000/. The scliedule is extremely voluminous. Ate. to came before the Court on a vesting order 'n the under the compulsory clause. He had resided X%Rules since the year 1833. Is!it t i n r i a slight opposition on the part. of Mr. Webb, for try h im to unnecessary expense in an action on a bill I,, ell3 ege, th e insolvent was discharged. Me l t g • Thomas H a ll s, formerly a P o li ce M ag i strate, of po rte l t L et, was heard w i t h out o pp os iti on . H e was su p- Mr. Cooke, with whom was Mr. Woodroffe. Qa ute — ease came before the Court on the compulsory Mr. Halls was in a very infirm state. I ttn in a pr eerss r o e : a l ( s t remarked, that the public had an erroneous to the compulsory clause. They imagined, ^reditt,ar, vesting order, if they paid the debt to the detaining no,ttthha its e operation would cease. Such was, how 4ilthre cred ito e r:! e. It remained in furze for the benefit of It Commissioner B OWEN concurre d i n t h e v i ew ta k en. ep wa a r l?eitred th at Mr. Halls had lived within the rules sho vveo s ° ,f two years, suffering from illness. His schedule 1,3869.1 nehts on tie ‘i 23. lid. bill transaetioas to the amount of His actual debts were 3,3971. 3s - . 2d. 14_ 4 ' a su perannuation of 3301. a-year. P e rt Halls rerk eted was discharged, subjact to a notice being POLICE INTELLIGENCE. BO TV- STREET. I,4',Mclicard Kelly, aged 13. was charged with robbery, ue r.the foll ow i ng circumstances r, John Chapman, 7, King William-street, Strand, &c., Stated that about a quarter past ten in the morn .4g, he w as s i tt i ng in the parlour at the back of his shop. 4 w hen he o b serve d the prisoner, without ma king the least sp o ise, craw l out of the shop, the door happening to be in , at th e time, with the b un dl e, containing twenty-three his h andkerchiefs., produced and valued at 51., under s ee ann. The pri soner, on getting into the Na eti ran with his utmost s p ee d , b ut perceiving that he a,,d'al°,sely pursued, he dropped the bundle at the corner ar c acted down G eorge -court, leading to the Adel hi a. _ The p rosecutor p i ck( up his property, and a a 1 ,4 05 roan nam e d W m. H awkes, seeing the prisoner had 't effected his crape, went in pursuit, and with ac i e .difficulty succeeded in apprehending him before he ti m e to conceal himself in the dark arches. On taking tin ed, ' L ek to the pr osecutor ' s h ouse, a f ter b e i ng f u ll y iden ue was given into the custody of a policeman, who heed.r him to the station-house. to Barr Prisoner sa id that another boy gave him the bundle itit o ,Yi and not l iking the appearance of it, he threw it n Pursuit.'"e street, and then ran away, seeing the prosecutor u e a County Magistrate, ordered him to Mr Tutst.trot4, committed for trial. ..... a APPREHENSION OF A SUPPOSED MURDERER. . prick rr, i.ra sol „t man has been transmitted to our county , :f h:_: to take his trial at the next Assizes for the murder 04,_'s brother, which took place at Fiask,:ugh, near I ,oill7, about four years since. A dispute art:se about . so r m a e l 1 1 , 8 be when the fatal blow was given with a spade. Tiv . _ T T en ir i England since the occurrence, to a late period. 'Lam iera/d. PETITIONING THE QUEEN. —On Sunday rtor n i n P ‘ ,1 4 , , g , as her Majesty was proc.!eding from the New Rea - !° the Royal Chapel, St. James's, a middle-aged seen' of rather diminutive stature and foreign appearance, RPPed c o rn the crowd, and threw a petition into the 'Val carriag. He ms immediately seized by the police, a ll d con 1 14 e veyed to the A division station house in Gardiner's dot.! wher e puil, , upon being interrogator' by the inspector on ye g a ve his name as Ponowouski, said he was a all o y!" ref ugee, and having been latterly depr'ved of the 11. —4l.lee given by Government to the di.tressed Poles, he :1 3 r educed to a state of absolute want, and had adopted . rneans state to lay his case before the Queen. The 'pani„.;,was detained at the staticn-house until after her Ma ,1171 return to the Palace, when: upon the Ca'e being r t : e ; k ; n "u to h,r, ,lie ,gas , I leased to order his retract , . e2 ''''''g first an a :n.um,.:ou. 'i, :,,,,; h,,""'"'"' "" e cornpli(d with SHIPPING INTE,_,LIGENCE. (LLOYD'S.) CUSTOM H OUSE,_FEB.__2S. VESSELS ENTERED INWARDS.--:The Romona, Middleton, from Calais ; Harlequin, Strannack, Boulogne ; Eliza, Barnes, Dunkirk ; Concordia, Edders, Rotterdam ; Hen drika, Gust, do, ; James Watt, King, Harnburgh ; Fa vorite, Anderson, Jersey ; Johanna Gebina, Nagel, Rot terdam ; Petrus Ludovicus, Wilkins, do. ; Antwcrp; Catherine, Bekkering, Rotterdam; Ma rinus, Patterson, Sydney ; Royal Tar, Randle,. Rochelle. ENTERED OUTWARDS.—The Coral, Paine, for Lisbon; Columbine, Norwood. Rotterdam ; Victorine, Exmclin, Os:end; Esther, Willem, Dunkirk; Bertha, Lehurds, Palau ; Janet Willis, Willis, Demerara; Joven mia, Arilla, Bilboa ; John, Curling, Quebec ; Resolute, AdiftlS, Hainburgh; Jonge Jacob, Bauvens, Ostend; Hope, Boxer, Rotterdam; Jules Azelia, Guil emar d, D un ki r k. CLEARED OUT CARGO.—Clifton, Wenbarn, St, Kitt's; Alkmaar, Heath, Rotterdam; Vulture, Gilbert, Newfound 'land ; :fedora, Banting, Jamaica; Apollo, Milne, Grenada, Grasshopper, punkin, Malta; Robert Newton, Mosey, Cons'antincple ; New Grove, Cousins, Jamaica. IN BALL/M.—Methuen Castle, Gordon, Teneriffe Zoo- Ebc.s, Baltic. GRAVESEND, FEB. 24.—Arrived Concordia from Rotter dam ; James Watt, Hantbro ; .Catherina, Rotterdam; Pettus landovicus, Rotterdam; aza; Dunkirk; Marirms, Sydney, New South Wales; Royal Tar, Rochelle; Fa vorite, Jersey ; Giraffe, Rotterdam. Sailed, the North Star for Philadelphia; Freundsehaft, Hantbro; Mary Ridgway, South Australia; Marquis Camden, Madras; Clticora, Charleston; James Caskie, Boston; Jonge Johanna, An twerp ; Esperance, Antwerp; Margina, Rotterdam. STROMNESS, FEB. 12.—The Maids, Nicholson, from Hull to New York, put in here yesterday, making a little water. She has been laid upon the beach, and the leak stopped. BERWICK, FEB. 22.—The Lord Lyndock, from Perth to Goole, struck on the rocks near North Sunderland, but gut cif in a damaged state, after throwing most of her cargo overboard. PARIS, FEB. 22.—The Intl-epicle, Peche, from Liver pool to Senegal, was run foul of and sunk 4th inst., six leagues N. W. of Liverpool, by the Angeline, Daude, ar rived at Nantes—crew saved. LITTLEHAMPTON, FEB. 22.—The Berkeley, Reed, has come into this harbour with loss of foremast. POOLE, FEB. 22.—The John, Williams, on entering the harbour, struck in the Bar, and is very leaky. BooLooriE, FEB. 23.—The Prospect, Brown, from Glou cester to London, was driven on shore this morning on the coat cif Ambleteuse, but does not appear to have sustained movil damage. CONSTANTINOPLE, JAN., r 3O. —lt has blown a strong gale from the southward, for ttr last 36 hours, without any ap pearance of abatement. The Countess of Dunmore, Johnson, in getting under weigh yesterday morning for Odessa, was driven on shore, in front of the Sultan's palace, at Dol mabaehi„ but, has been got off The St, Lawrence, Haig gup, snived from Malta, in six days and a-half, reports an En! , l;sh schooner on shore at Barber's Point, in the Dar dandles, at no great distance another schooner breaking up, and another English vessel on shore higher up. There were besides three or four other vessels on shore. LLANELLI, FEB 22.—The Ord, El!ing, from Penzance, came on shore on Seaton Sands last night, but was got off with loss of anchor and cable, and brought into this harbour. CASIFLETOWN, FEB. 21.—For some days past nails of the wi eat of apparently large vessel, have been washing in on the west coast of Kintyre. CAPE OF GOOD HOPE, FEB. 27.—A very large fire at sea, apparently a vessel on fire, was seen on the 15th instant off Cape Infanta, distant from land about 90 to 120 miles, long. at noon, 22 E., lat, 35 S., by the Vigilant, Wellon, arrived at this place from the Mauritius. HAMBURG, FEB. 19.—The navigation is now restored, though there is still a good deal of floating ice in the river. YOUGFIAL, FEB. 19. —The Eliza, 11‘Carthy, from New port to this port. on entering the harbour this morning, struck on the Bar, carried away her rudder, and is rather leaky, and is at anchor in the Pool. It blew a hurricane last night at S. S. E. and continues. LEITH, FEB. 20.—The Newburgh, Adamson, reported as having sailed from St. Ives the 3rd ult. for Liverpool, and not since heard of, arrived in the Clyde in November, and in now on her passage to Sligo. KINSALE, FEB. i9.—The Mary, Fudge, from Liverpool to Limerick, was stranded near the Aldborough Head last night, and is now bottom up and nearly a total wreck, crew saved. Bowmoaz, ISLAND OF ISLAY, FEB. 16.—The Thein!s, MeTaggart, which was on shore, hrs been got off, and brought into this roadstead. HULL, FEB. 23.—The Falcon (steamer), Wallace, from Grimsby, was this morning discovered to be on fire, and was obliged to be scuttled, near the Victoria Jetty, after landing her passengers and luggage. VESSELS SPOKEN WITH.—The Thomas Gibbon, from Java to London, by the St. Helena, Long, arrived at the Cape of Good Hope ; Lady Raffles, Dec. 14, by the Olympus Coral, arrived at the Cape of Goad Hope. Part of the wreck of a large vessel has been found near Port Ellen, the beams and knees are fir, bound with cop per spikes. The wreck a vessel, supposed to be a sloop, the rails, masts, booms, gaff floating above water, was fallen it. with 13th inst., bearing N. by E., distant 10 miles, by the Brutus arrived here. Four barrels of beef, marked " Daniel Baird," ono marked " Galbraith prime mess beef," three barrels of pork, two bags of meal with " Londonderry" on each, and part of the wreck of a vessel, have been washed on shore in Lag,gan Bay. The Athalia, of Havre, was passed 21st ult., with loss of rudder, and steering with spars astern, by the Rose, Bailey, arrived in the Downs. The Crusader, Wyckmau, from Liverpool to Bombay, on shore at the entrance of the river Ribble, is gone to pieces. The Ann Paley, Hunter, from Liverpool to Lisbon, on shore near the Ribble, is expected to become a complete wreck. The Diamond, Porter, from Glasgow to Galway, has put in here with mainmast sprung, loss of topmast, and much strained. -- - The London (steamer), Taylor, put back yesterday morning with damage to her machinery. EAST INDIA SHIPPING. ARRIVALS.—The John Fleming, Rose, from Bengal off Hastings, sailed 19th September, Madras 19th October, Cape of Good Hope 24th Dec.. St. Helena 7th January ; Childe Harolde, Willis, from Bombay, off Portsmouth, sailed 6th October, Carmanore 13th October, Mauritius 18th November, Cape 25th December, and St. Helena Bth January; Emma, Skelton, from Bengal, in the Downs, sailed 22d May, Trincomalee 27th September, Mauritius 4th November, St. Helena 31st December; Courier, Innes, from the Cape of Goof Hope, in the Downs, sailed from Algoa Bay 22d December and Table Bay 28th De. cernbcr ; Sophie, Kettle, from Batavia, off Portsmouth, for Hsmburgh, sailed 9th November, St. Helena 7th January; John Panter, Elsdon, from the Mauritius, off Hastings, sailed 6th November, St. Helena 29th December. ARRIVALS AT ST. HELENA.- The William Pitt, Palmer, January 5, from the Mauritius, and sailed sth for London; Lady Cornwall, Poe, 6th, from Calcutta, and sailed 6th for Demerara; Zeemenio, Claus, Margare, Spa, Johanna, S l eben, and Savaan, Meger, 6th, all from Batavia, for Am sterdam; Brookline, Robinson, 6th, from Manilla, for Salem ; Robert Surcouf, Douville, 7th, from Bourbon, for Nantes. DEPARTURES FROM Sr. HELENA.—The Dankbaarheid, Lispdberg, Jan. 6, for Rotterdam; Sultan, Pool, 7th, for London. ARRIVALS IN TABLE BAY, CAPE OF GOLD HOPE.- Olinda, Foare, Dec. 21, from Madras, and sailed, 25, for Bordeaux ; Olympus, Cowl, 22, from Calcutta, and sailed 27, for London ; Vigilant, Walton, 22, from Mauritius, for London; Pioneer, Barjolle, 22, from Madagascar, for Marseilles; St. Helena, Long, 22, from Knysaa ; Augus• tins, Perry, 22, from Mauritius, and to sail 28th for Lon. don ; Transit, Cobern, 22, from Mauritius; Selma, Lurkie, 23, from Canton, and sailed 26 for London ; George (A) Baker, 23, from New London, cargo 2,300 barrels of oil ; Agnes, Cumming, 23, from Ceylon, and sailed 28th for London ; Glenarm, Grubber. 24, from Ma nilla, and sailed 28th for London ; Shephe, d, Jardine, 25, from Batavia, for London ; Her Majesty's Ship Boreas, Pullen, 25, from Batavia, for Holland; Canada, Potts, 26, from Rio Janeiro; Tyrcr, Shadwell, 26, front China and Algoa Bay, and was to sail, 28, for Li. verpcol ; Apprentice, Cadenhead, 26, from Mauritius for London ; James Moran, Ferguson, 28, from Greenock and Loch Ryan for New South Wales. DEPARTURES FROM TABLE BAY, CAPE OF GOOD HOPE.- Vcl.lcity, Hall, Dec. 20, for London ; OVOCA, Boa, 20, for Alga Bay ; James, Todd, 22, for Hobart Town ; Olivia, Roomy, and L'Asie, 23, for Mauritius ; Meedon, Hogg, 24, for London ; Platina, Wellbank, 24, for South Austra lia; Antonio, Rabago, 24, for Cadiz. The Science, Baker, was to sail, Dec. 28, for London. ARRIVAL AT SIMON'S BAY (CAPE OF GOOD HOPE).- Favourite, Robinson, Dec. 19, from Calcutta for London. DEPARTURE FROM SIMON'S BAY.-Asia ( Dutch ship), Dec. 19, for Batavia. Her Majesty's ship Wolfe, Stan ley, was to sail, Jan. 2, for England. ARRIVALS AT M A URITIUS.-Tamar, Bell, Nov. 8, from Swan River; Transit, Cobern, 8, from Table Bay; Mar garet, Dickson, 9, from Batavia; Samuel Brown, Har. ding, 9. from Cuddalore; Tenasserun, Hall, 10, from Moulmein; Brunken Moor, Smith, 10, from Cuddalore; Velox, Falconer, 11, from Algoa Bay ; Malay, Galbreath, 11, from Marseilles ; Newsrie, Troade, 12, from Bourbon ; Ganges, Burgess, 14, from ; Trident, M'Lochlan, 14, from London ; Madagascar (steamer), M`Dougall, 15, from London, Falmouth, Ascension, and Cape of Good Hope. DEPARTURES FROM MAURITIUS.-Cashmere Merchant, Smellie, Nov. 10, for Calcutta ; Cambrian, Wort, 16, for London. ARRIVAL AT ST. JAGO.--Cape de Verds, Brothers Lohbau, Oct. 3, from London, and sailed 3, for Scan lii%,r. VESSELS SPOKEN WlTH.—Juliana, Parker, Marseilles to Maultius, thirty-six days out on the 7th of January—lati tude 1-16, N.—longitude, 19.50, W. ' • Royal Saxon, Towns, London to New South Wales, January 11—lat. 1 44, N.—long. 20.43, W. MANCHESTER EXTENSION RAILWAY BILL. —A Birmingham paper states that " the petition from the landowners against this Bill was presented on Monday evening. It measured sixty-five feet long by two feet wide." SANGUINARY MONSTER.-011 Monday last a fellow was brought before the Magistrates sitting in petty sesviors, at Ludlow, charged with having wounded ill a clesi.era e manner a poor woman living oil the Clec-hills. The monster went into the woman's house and attacked lit r with a spade with the sharp edge of which he cut the flesh from her head and face. and fractured her fkull. The sur geen stated that the sufferer could not survive, and the pri- Forier wa.s committed to gaol. The t,ris3ner behaved be• Lite L.llCa tened the lit' e of one of them. —Hereford Times. E ITION -F IV 3 26 1 9 THE N, D()N, TURSTIA EBRUA R , , . plain cf the Learned Sedge ; what he corn pktined of was that a correct return had not been laid upon the table of tl e House ; if the return he had moved for bad been produced, he should have had all the information which he required. If the Learned Judge had advised the commutation of the sentence, all that he asked was that the correspondence that had taken place upn that subjet should be laid on the table of the House. After a raw words from the Marquis of WEST MEATIt and the Marquis of NORMANBY, Lord LYNDHURST hoped the Noble Marquis would lay a copy of the medical certificate on the table of the House. The Marquis of NORMANBY objected. There were twelve or fifteen names included in the certificate, and it not be got at without obtaining all the cer tificates for-the last two years. Lord LYNDHURST would move that the certifi cate he laid upon the table of the House, The Mqrquis of NORM ANBY said that it was on the remnmendation of the Judge that a commutation of sentence had taken place. Lord LYNDHURST said that was not the course pursued in England. If a Judge commuted a sen tence after pronouncing it he would be stultifying his own acts. The Marquis o f NORM A N B Y — I n I re l an d the Judge either passed or recorded sentence of death, and in either ease that was followed by a recommendation to the Lord Lieutenant, bafore any commutation took place. Lord BROUGHAM thought the whole business of leaving for execution was like A B C to his Noble and Learned Friend 'appetite. It now appeared that, instead of a med nal certificate from a medical man, there must be also a r:commendation to the Lord Lieutenant. He begged the attention of the Noble Marquis to this—that . it was upan the responsibilit y of a medical man that the whole of these commutatioris took place. Such a pro ceeding was most monstrous.—( Hear, hear, hear.) If upon the responsibility of a medical man whether employed by the Government, or called in accidentally, any sentence was to be commuted or altered, all he could say was, that no sentence need ever be passed.—( Hear, hear.) They all knew how certificates were obtained they were mere matters of opinion, and they all had seen how they were procured and used in the other House of Par liament. They had seen Honourable Members who were unabls to attend Election Committees, ba cause it was inconvenient for them to turn round and vote a different way from• the manner in which they had voted on a previous Committee. A medical certificate was very convenient, as it might turn the balance the other way, and seat a Member. That had oceurre.l in his own knowledge. No medical man ought to have any piexer or authority to alter the sen teneeo inquiry. No fth e law It should such couldtake b e arrangement matter of inquiry, and very grave place in that country, nor was it recognised in the English law, that upon the recommendation or respon sibility of a medical man, a sentence of any sort could be commuted. Lord LYN D HURST begged to inform the Noble Marquis that they would not excuse the attendance of a juror upon the certificate of a medical man in that country. They required the personal attendance of the juror. . . . Lord BRO - - GHAM—Yes ; and they subjected him to cross-examination. The Marquis of NORMANBY said, the question was, whether the prioners were fit for a voyage to New South Wales or not, and it had always been the custom in Ireland that a medical officer should report whether the parties were in a fit state or not. It did not follow that because the convicts did not go out in that transport, that the sentence should be commuted. If the convicts were retained in prison in consequence of ill health, it rested with the Lord Lieutenant to decide whether the sentence should be commuted or not.. Lord LYNDHURST hoped* the Noble Marquis would produce all the certificates. Lord BROUGHAM—AII the certificates for the last two years. His Lordship then gave notice that to morrow lie would move for the returns which bad been al!uded to. EARL RODEN begged in the name of the Gentry of Ireland to express his satisfaction that. this subject was likely to occupy the attention of the Noble and Learned Lord. They felt that the present unhappy state of Ireland was much caused by the opening of the prisons by the Noble Marquis. He was proud that the subject had been taken up by the Noble and Learned Lord, in whose hands he was happy to leave it. Tne Marquis of BUTE presented a number of pe titions from Northamptonshire and Warwickshire against any alteration in the present Corn laws. Mr. Tierney, from the Tax-office, presented papers. --Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. FER. 25. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. Mr. Tierney presented Papers from the Tax-office. Papers were also presented from the Trinity-house. SOUTH EASTERN RAILWAY. Chancellor, Master, and Scholars, of the University of Oxford, against the Ecclesiastical Duties and Revenues Bill. The petition was agreed to, with only t...v0 dis sentients. The Hen. Member presented two other petitions to the same effect. IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT. Capt. PECHELL inquired whether the Attorney- General was disposed to introduce an amendment to the 38th section of the Imprisonment foe Debt Act; the provisions respecting bail were perfectly useless regard ing country prisoners, as the Commissioners had required bail to attend in Lincoln's•inn, and there were now many prisoners confined in the gaol of Horsham, for debt, through the inconvenience attaching to that provision in the Act. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he was not aware that such a question would have been put to him, involving as it necessarily did the construction put upon the Act by the Learned Judges. If upon considers- Von he found an alteration required he would be pre pared to introduce it. OUTRAGE ON THE BRITISH FLAG. An HON. MEMBER inquired whether the Secre tary for the Admiralty had received any com munication from Lieutenant Croke commanding the Express packet at Mexico, respecting the outrage on the British flag at Vera Cruz. Mr. C. WOOD said he had before stated that the only letter the Admiralty had received from Commo dore Douglas, the proper channel for communication, was the one which he had quoted ; but he had also stated that they had seen a letter, or rather the copy of a letter, from Lieutenant Croke, addressed to the Con• sul at Vera Cruz. On the motion of Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE, the Standing Orders Committee having reported that the Standing Orders had been complied with, leave was given to bring in a Bill to divert the line of the South Eastern Railway. • Captain PECHELL asked if the Express packet had arrived in this country, and the answer which the Secretary for the Admiralty might give to this question would guide him (Captain Pecheli) as to another ques tion. LONDON AISiD SOUTHAMPTON RAILWAY. Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE brought in the London and Southampton Railway Extension Bill, which was read a first time, and orderod to be read a second to morrow. Mr. C. WOOD said he had already stated that they had received a copy of a letter from Lieut. Croke to the Consul at Vera Cruz.—(A cry of " You have not an twered the question." Captain PECHELL—My question was, has the Express Packet arrived in England?—(Hear, hear.) Mr. C. WOOD—It has. Lord INGESTRIE said he was not aware, when he had spoken upon this subject before, that the Express Packet had arrived in England—(Hear, bear)—and he had been told that the only information which the Government had was the letter from Commo dore Douglas. He thought that the letter of Lieutenant ' Croke, though not quite regular in the Naval 130,..partment, was important to be laid before the House—(Hear, hear, hear)—and perhaps that letter might enable the Hon. Secretary for the Admiralty to answer the question which he (Lord Ingestrie) bad formerly put—namely, what had become of the pilot ? —( Hear, hear.) He also wished to know whether Admiral Baud.n hid made the apology immediately after he had discovered the indiscretion of the Prince De Joinville, or whether he had waited till Commodore Douglas had appeared in his frigate ?—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") I\lr. C. WOOD believed that he had stated, most distinctly, the other evening, that the Admiralty had no other correspondence upon the matter, except a letter from Commodore Douglas ; and he thought that in the present state of the matter it was not discreet that any further . question should be put on the occasion, involy ing, as it does, the peace of the two countries. Until it was brought to a conclusion, in his opinion, it would he better tot to stir the question in that House. He had stated that there was a letter from Lieut. Croke to the Minister at Mexico. Ile thought it would be better that he had communicated with the Commander of the corvette, who was his senior officer. He had thought it his duty to state as little as possible on the occasion, because he thought it improper to state more than was absolutely necessary. What be had stated was, that the Admiralty, through the proper channel, the Senior officer commanding upon the station, had re ceived information, stating that he had received a satis factory explanation on the subject. That explanation had been offered and accepted by Commodore Douglas, upon the spat, atid if he considered the explanation given by the French A'.miral to be satisfactory, the House and the Government ought to take it in the sama sense, unless they received futther information from Commo dore Douglas, altering the facts as they at present stood. He did not think it was discreet to say more at the present time. He would only repeat that the House ought to be satisfied, when the Coinmodore of an English squadron professed himself to be satisfied with the apology made for an aggression. Captain PECHELL said his next question would be a very discreet one, and he was most anxious to disem barass it of any reference to a diffe7ence between that country and France, or between the Admiral, Commander or Lieutenant of the packet, and the French. He wished to put the question as between the Lieutenant commanding the Express, a very gallant officer whom he (Capt. Pechell ) had served with, and the Board of Admiralty. He wished to know whether the Board of Admiralty had re ceived any communication from Lieutenant Croke. There was a certain opinion abroad in which he (Captain Peahen) cordially concurred, that the offi cer commanding the packet should have bundled the Prince de Joinville, or whoever it was, overboard.— (Much laughter) He wished, therefore, to know whe ther any information had been received ironi that officer relative to the taking the pilot out of the packet ? Mr. C. WOOD could only repeat for the third time --(Hear, and laughter)—that a communication had been received from Lieut. Croke, which was forwarded by Captain Plumridge, at the bead of the packet esta blishtnent at Falmouth, the copy of a letter which had been addressed by him to the British Consul at VLra Cruz, detailing the transaction. Viscount INGESTRE wished to ask if negocia lions were still going on with the French Admiral or not? Because, if the officer commanding the packet was in England, they had a right to have his explana tion. He wished also to know whether Admiral Baudin had made a written apology before the appear ance of Commodore Douglas's squadron ? Mr. WOOD had reason to believe that the next despatches which came from Commodore Douglas would give a much more detailed notice of the trans action than the short account they already had. lie would again state that the only information they had from Commodore Douglas had been laid before them, and he did not think it becoming in his NOble Friend or ' the House to press the matter farther at present. Viscount INGESTRE said his Hon. Friend would see he had not yet answered his question—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear")—that was, whether negociations were still pending ? Mr. C. WOOD—That is a question which cannot be answered by me. PRIVATE BILLS. Mr. BANNERMAN, on behalf of Mr. Poulett Thomson, t,ave notice that, to-morrow, he should move the re-appointment of the Select Committee on private Bills. IMPERIAL PAUL/AMEN T. ROUSE OF LORDS, F. 2 The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at Five o'Clock. Lord BARHAM presented a petition from the County of Rutland against any alteration in the Corn laws, also fifty petitions from different places in the County of Rutland to the same effect. Lord DALHOUSIE presented petitions from Preston Kirk and several other places against any alter ation in the Corn laws. Lord WHARNCLIFFE presented a petition f:orn the county of York against any alteration in the Corn laws. The Marquis of BREADALBANE presented pe titions from the Chamber of Commerce in Greenock, from the bankers and merchants of the same town, from Berwick upon Tweed, and 4 m other places, praying for a total repeal a the Corn-laws. The Noble Marquis said that their Lordships had thus before them petitions from the commercial, manufactur ing, and operative parts of the community, praying fur the repeal of thoxa laws which they considered to be most oppressive. The Noble Marquis presented a petition from a place in Perthshire, praying f.r Church Extension. The Earl of RIPON moved for a Return of the average importation of corn, the exportation of manu factures from this country to different parts of Eu rope, and also of the quantity of foreign and colonial wool imported to this country for the last ten years. The Marquis of NORMANBY said that in con sequence of a question put to him on Friday last by a Noble Lord opposite, he had communicated with his Noble Friend the late Lord Commissioner of Canada, and he was now given to understand that the second appendix to that Noble Lord's Report, would be in his (the Noble Marquis's) hand on Friday next, and he should lose no time in having it laid on their Lord. ship's table. Lord RIPON said that in the course of last Session he had moved for certain returns respecting the Church and t're condition of the Canadian provinces. The Noble Lord, the then Secretary for the Colonies, said that he had searched for the papers, but that he had been unable to find one of them. The Noble Lord also said, that he could not therefore lay the re turn before the House, without a communication with Canada ; but the Sesi4ion terminated before that com munication could have been replied to. Ile, there fore, wished to know from the Noble Marquis, opposite whether he would be able to furnish the returns. The Marquis of NORMANBY said he should in quire about them. - Lord NV ARNC LIFFE presetited a petition from (as we understood) Barnley, in Yorkshire, pray ing for relief from the duty on po,t-horses, which he moved might be referred to the Committee. He really hoped her Majesty's Government would take this subject into their serious consideration. If there was to be the competition which there was every rea son to expect between the railroads and the turnpike roads, no doubt the turnpike roads would suffer most severely, and that many posting inns must be entirely knocked up. Therefore he apprehended there could be no doubt that this was a subject well deserving of consideration. The Marquis of SALISBURY moved that there be laid upon the table of the House an abstract of the expenses incurred in the maintenance of highways in England. He found that no abstract of this sort had been laid upon the table since the year 1808. Lord BROUGHAM gave notice that upon the House resoling itself into a Committee to-morrow, on the Burgh Courts Bill, brought in by his Noble and Learned Friend the Lord Cldef Justice of the Queen's Bench, he should call the attention of their Lordships to the very important subject of Burgh Courts, with the view of having some general rule and principle laid down for the conduct of the Legislature in passing those Acts, or in substituting Acts for local Acts gene rally. Lord DUCANN ON laid on the table a return of all the rewards which had been offered by the Lord Lieute nant in Ireland for outrages committed in that country since Decemb er , 1837 . POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) ACT AMEND MENT BILL. Lord DUNCANNON moved the second reading of the Poor Relief (Ireland) Act Amendment Bill. The principal necessity for this Bill arose from the diffi culty that was experienced from what were called town lands, there being many parts in Ireland in which that denomination was not known, and it gave the Commissioners power to declare certain districts to be town lands. The Duke of WELLINGTON had no objection to this Bill, as it seemed to be considered that some amendment of the Bill that was passed last year was necessary, and therefore he bad no objection to this amendment, inasmnch as the original principle of the Bill was adhered to. Lerd BROUGHAM agreed with the Noble Duke on this occasion ; last year he differed with the Noble Duke, and also with the majority of that House upon the Poor Relief (Ireland) Bill. But still it was not necessary to keep that Bill less perfect than it m;glit be made now. He had not seen . a Bill more capable of ex= tensive amendment than this. He approved of the 10th clause of the present Amendment Act, which gave their Lordships power to amend this Amendment Act. —(Hear, and laughter.) He was satisfied it would be necessary to amend this Amendment Act before the Sea. sion closed. Lord WICKLOW would like to hear the Noble and Learned Lord opposite name a single Bill which had been brought in by the present Government and passed that House, which had not required an Amendment Act to he passed the Yew next Session.— (Hear.) He agreed in the propriety of bringing in this Amendment Act, and he wished to call the attention of the Noble Marquis to the Bth section of it, which was the only section that related to that part of the Bill on which an animated discussion took place last year. When the Bill was before the House the Noble Viscount bad contended that the appeal to the Quarter Sessions, if granted at all, ought to be in the presence of the Assistant Barrister, but this clause allowed the appeal without the presence of the Barrister. He (the Earl of. Wicklow) did not object to the clause, but he thought it strange that such a change should take place. Lord DUNCANNON said a few words in explana tion, which were inaudible. Lord BROUGHAM said, when it was stated that all Legislation was bungling, or at all events 811 the acts of the present Government—of which he would not say a word—he must refer to the English Poor Law Act—an Act of a much more extensive nature than the one now alluded to—but which had not re quired any amendment. Lord MELBOURNE said most acts of an extensive or important nature had required amendment. With regard to the English Poor Law Act he must, however, say that the reason why no amendment had been introduced, was not because it was not required. CHURCH OF SCOTLAND. Mr. BLAIR presented two petitions from Wigton, praying for increased Church accommodation in Scot laud. CJRN-LAWS. Mr. HOGG presented a petition from Beverley, against any alteration in the existing Corn-laws. Sir G. STRICKLAND presented two petitions from parishes in York, praying for an alteration in the present Corn-laws. Mr. BLACKSTONE presented a patition from Warrington, signed by 700 cultivators of land, depre cating the dishonest clamour raised by the manulac hirers against the landed interest ; and a petition against any alteration in the Corn-laws, from the Mayor and Burgesses of the same place. The HON. MEMBER also presented a petition from the same place, praying the House to institute a searching inquiry into the state of the College of Maynooth, and to withhold any further grant. Mr. ROUND presented several petitions from places in the county of Essex ; and Mr. HODGES, from pa rishes in Kent, against any alteration in the Corn-laws. Mr. BETHEL L presented similar petitions from places in the East Riding of the county of York. Mr. F. DUNDAS presented petitions from Orkney, for the extension of Church accommodation in Scot land. Mr. P. THOMSON presented the Report of the Cornicittcc on private business, to which he would call the attention of the House on Wednesday. Lord BROUGHAM declared he had never hsard that any amendment was required in that Act, if he had he would have proposed it. The Bill was then read a second time. The Marquis of NORMAN BY laid papers respect ing Canada on the table. The Noble Marquis also produced papers respecting education in British Guiana. He then stated, in reference to a question which had been asked on a former occasion, that he had no objec tion to produce full information wiJi regard to Copeland (as we understood) an Irish prisoner, who had been sen tenced to transportation, but being found by the surgeon unfit to be transported, had been discharged. This INNKEEPERS. was-also the case with a man named Bryan, who had pal paaltngolfethe documentcr Newhaven, in Suffolk, complaining of the law which been imprisoned for twelve months. There had been Captain PECHELL presented a petition from made innkeepers liable for property of their customers, a very favourable report of that man's conduct, and it although it never entered their House.—(A laugh.) was upon the recommendation of the Learned Judge CHURCH-RATES. the course had been adopted which was alluded to by Mr. CHARLES LUSHINGTON presented a pe the Noble Earl. tition from the Church-rate Abolition Society, praying Lord CHARLEVILLE said that Cnpeland, after for the complete extinction of Church-rates. The pe his sentence had been commuted by the Noble Marquis, titioners deprecated the course pursued by the Bishops was committed for the crime of rape, and was left for on. this question. execution, but his sentence was afterwards commuted Mr. HU ME presented a petition from the fishermen to transportation for life. Mr. pilots of St. Mawes, Cornwall, complaining of the The Marquis of NORMANBY said that he had operation of the Corn-laws, and praying for their repeal. acted upon the certificate of the surgeon, in extending Also a petition, signed by 246 inhabitants of Langton, the commutation of punishment. Cumberlaed. The petitioners viewed with alarm the The Marquis of WESTMEATH wished to know successful competition of foreign manufacturers, which who the surgeon was that had made the certificate. was likely soon . to produce the decline of their trade, the The Marquis of NORMAN BY said that it was ruin of their commerce, and the distress and destitu the regular surgeon appointed to attend the prison, and whose duty it was to report correctly. at the bar against the operation of the Corn-laws. Lord BROUGHAM considered that thepresent The ATTORNEY -GENERAL presented a peti subject was one of the most serious nature, as it related tion from the s pirit-dealers of Edinburgh, praying for that were to he to the administration of justice, He considered that the power of bestowing mercy was one of the highest an alteration in the law respecting licenses in Scotland. CANADA. que s tion, because functions in the country.—( Hear, hear, hear.) It Mr. HUME seeing the Noble LordpthheisSmecirnedtaarsytoof was peculiar to the constitution of this country that the State for the Home Department in his place, wished prerogative of mercy was not a mere matter of caprice on the part of the Sovereign, that it was to be exercised under a solemn oath taken at the Coronation ; it was, therefore, a responsible public duty, and the advisers of t laido the askpa papers beforee him; s t h whether relatingh H et o h u e st r eo. be pH h pe a e had r putm Canada,a made i s u q he bad seen a publication announced by Sir P. Head, which the Crown could only recommend the exercise of it a princi where it was due. In his opinion it was a most serious spondence between himself and the Government. Hewree matter that a surgeon's certificate should be taken as most anxious that the country should have the whole the ground for a commutation of punishment without further investigation. He (Lord B.) considered that proceedines relative to Canada before it, particularly would contain, as he said, the Noble Marquis ought to have had furth er inquiries during the time Sir F. Head was Governor. He hoped the Government would not w:thhold made into the certificate, as it was clear that at present connected with t h at q Sir G. GREYDid uestion. the Hon. Gentleman allude to the be some gross contradictions and absurdities some that had been moved for in the other House? where, and if no other Noble Lord would p a p ers Mr. HUM adopt the course, be should feel it to be his lion. Baronet was not in the House, that he should more duty, to put the Government to the trouble of of the for the production correspondence that had taken producing the certificate. I place between the Colonial Government • the time and the Minis- The Marquis of NORMANBY said that this was ter- of the serown the time Sir F. Head was in the first time he was aware of the feet that Copeland, ' ' of Canada, and the Government . at the request of the who had been convicted at Tullamore, was the same Noble Lord (John Russell), he Postponed that mo person who had been convicted of a rape. All lie could tion till the Honourable Baronet could be present. say tees, that the sentence had been commuted at the . . Lord JOHN RUSSELL did not understand that recommendation of the Judge. : the bad asked for all tl Hon. Member the correspondence, Lord BROUGHAM had never heard of it person ' but merely for that which had been presented to the being tried twice within two years, for such serious of- House of Lords. He should have no objection to the feeces, that the Learned Judge was not aware of his production of that, but could not consent to produce v , tee h.,, in;; been tried before. whole of it. The Earl of CHARLEVILLE did not come Sir R. INGLIS presented a petition from the CORN-LAWS. Lord DARLINGTON presented a petition in favour of the Corn-laws. Lord EUSTON read a petition from Norfolk, for the abolition of the Corn-laws. EDUCATION. Mr. CHRISTOPHER presented a petition for a system of education founded on the Scriptures. Mr. A'COURT presented a petition from Ryde in the Isle of Wight, against any further grant to May nooth College. THEATRICAL ENTERTAINMENTS. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE gave noticetil:lto;l'hurs day next he should move a resolution to the following effect :—That it was the opinion of that House that no restrictions should be placed upon any house 3 of thea , rical entertainment within the City of Westminster, that were not pl ace d upon t h e other houses of theatrical entertainment in London. The Hon. Member also gave notice, that on Thursday, the sth of March, he should move a resolution, the effect of which would be to enable parties to give relief to poor out of workhouses. Mr. HU ME gave notice that on Friday he should move for dispatches reLtive to Canada, and he should also call the attention of the House to a petition relative to the Burmese prize -money, and to the delay that had taken p!ace in the distribution of the Deccan prize -money. LIGHTING THE HOUSE. Sir F. TRENCH stated that on Thursday he should call the attention of the House to the se veral misrepresentations made in one of its Orders, for the purpose of enabling hint to appeal to the House upon the subject of the manner in which it was at present lighted. He was induced to adopt this course in consequence of understanding that there was now on foot a plan by certain philosophers for introducing a new philosophic light.—(Laughter.) In his own justification he must say that the present chandeliers had been robbed of no less than 60 lights, and he trustA that those Members who had witnessed the present moonlight tranquillity of the galleries would attend and give him tbeir support on Thursday next.— ( Laughter.) THE STEWARDSHIP OF DENBIGH. Mr. W. NV. W YNN observed that upon Thurs day last the attention of the House had been called by the Hon. Member for Chester to the circumstances under which lie (Mr. W) had been re-appointed to the Stewardship of Denbigh. He (Mr. W.) had upon that occasion given an explanation of the circumstances under which it took place, but he understood that the Honourable Member for Chester considered it necessary that further explanation should take place.— (After a few further remarks, which were quite inaudible in the gallery, the Hon. Member retired.) Mr. HUME apprehended that the course now to be taken, ought to be the same as that taken on the late occasion by the appointment of a Committee.— (Cheers.) He understood the Hon. and Learned Mem ber near him was to give notice to-day that he should move for the appointment of a Committee to investi gate the matter. Mr. JERVIS said that it certainly was his intention to give notice this evening of a motion for Thursday, and he had intimated that to the Right Hon. Gentleman, but as he came to the House he was informed that it was the intention of the Right Honourable Gentle- man to request the opinion of the House upon his eligibility. He believed the Right Hon. Gentleman had not varied the facts. If the House entertained any doubts, or even had no doubt, the question was of such importance that it ought to be settled as a guide to their future proceedings. He therefore intended to move that the same Committee be appointed as was appointed on the former occasion, substituting instead of the Right Honourable Gentleman any other name which the Right Honourable Baronet opposite would suggest. Lord JOHN RUSSELL saw no objection to the Honourable and Learned Member moving his resale= tiGn Mr. JERVIS then mtived that a Select Committee be appointed to inquire whether Mr. Wynn has since his election accepted front the Crown the office of Steward of the Lordship of Denbigh, and that the Committee be directed to report their opinion whether Mr. Wynn had vacated Lis seat or not by the acceptance of that office. The Hon. Member then read over the names, which were the same as on Mr. Harvey's Committee, with the excep tion of Mr. Wynn. The SPEAKER said, according to the regulations of the House, notice ought to be given of all the names proposed to be placed on Select Committees, and the question now was, whether, this bring a question of pri vilege, the rule could be dispensed with in this instance. Sir R. PEEL had stated the other night that if a similar ease could be shown to that of Mr. Harvey he would be prepared to take precisely the same course, and to deal out the same rule of justice as was done on that occasion. He, of course, expected that some prima fide case should be made out, and that it should not rest merely upon the assertion of any Member. The Honourable Gentleman opposite now proposed that an investigation should take place in Commit tee into the case of the Lion. Member for Montgomery. On the same grounds that he recommended a Com mittee in the case of Mr. Harvey, he was prepared to accede to the appointment of a Committee in the pre sent instance.--(Hear, hear.) He thought it fair to re-appoint, as nearly as possible, the Committee that inquired into the case of Mr. Harvey, that' Committee having had their attention called to this subject, and he was satisfied that when that Committee was named, it had the universal approh„tion of the House. . (Hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman had left it to him (Sir Robert Peel) to determine who should supply the place of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Wynn) i❑ that Committee. He would have had no objection himself to sit in this Committee, but that he had declined sitting in the other ; and if he were to consent to be named for Mr. Wynn's Committee, it might be then said that be had waived his engagements in' the case of his friend (Mr. Wynn) but which he had pleaded as an excuse for not serving on the other Committee. He had stated on a former occasion he was engaged in preparing a Bill on the Electoral Jurisdiction, which occupied him generally five or six hours a-day. He would therefore big to propose, in the place of Mr. Wynn, that his Hon. Friend Sir Thomas Fremantle stic -, uld serve. Mr. JERVIS inquired whether he ought to move the appointment of the Committee at once, or give the names in, and move the appoiciment to-morrow. The SPEAKER said that was a question for the House itself to decide. Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought it would be bet tor that the names should be given in now, and that the Committee be appointed to morrow.—(Hear, heir.) ECCLESIASTICAL DUTIES AND RE- VENUES BILL. Lord JOHN RUSSELL —Before moving the Second Reading of this Bill, Sir, I beg leave to move that the Clerk do read those parts of the speeches from the Throne at the opening of the last three Secsions relating to Church Reform. The Clerk havine read the passages alluded to, Lord JOHN RUSSELL—I wished, Sir, to have those pas_ages read, in order to show the House that the subject of Church Reform has been under the consideration of various Governments, first, under the Government of Lord Grey ; and secondly, the question was considered by the Government of Sir R. Peel, from whose Government emanated the Commission whose recommendation the present Bill is ; and lastly, that it has formed the subject of consideration of Lord Melbourne's Government upon former occasions. I wish to point the attention of the House to these re• commendations, because in the several discussions which have taken place o❑ this subject. It seems to have been doubted whether a measure for rendering more efficient the establishment, has not emanated from any one holding a high situation in the Government. The Bill which I have now the honour to move has the recommendation of the Church Commission, and has the sanction of the two Archbishops, the Bishop of London, and at least two other eminent Prelates of the Church. This Bill then, Sir, comes with as high authority, both political anti ecclesiastical, as any one that has ever hem presented to this House. As the subject Was much discussed during the last Session I shall not do more than take a short retrospect of what has been done by former Governments. One - of the greatest evils, and one which was com mented upon by every writer upon the subject, was the great inequality that existed in the revenues of the Bishops. In 1803, before the measure upon that subject passed, the income of the Sec of Durham amounted to `21,000/., while another See was worth 1 1,000/., and some Bishops ws•er:; in receipt of uo more than from 900/. to 1,200/. Rochester, at the same time, was worth 1,500/„ while Exeter and Hereford, were Worth from 2,0001. to 3,0001. each. The conse quence of this inequality was that benefices were attached to the Sees, and held in commendam by the Bishop, and that system was much condemned. The time of the Bishop was considered to be fully occupied by the duties of m., Bishopric, and he would have no time to attend to the duties of a parish.—( Hear, hear.) One of the first measures, theretnre, recommended by the Government, was one which in some measure equalises the revenues of Bishops.—(Hear.) In consequence of this measure the income of the I Bishop of Durham had been reduced -from upwards of 20,000/. a year to 8,000/. The next measure to : which the attention of Parliament was directed was to the much litigated subject of tithes. The revenue of the Clergy from tithes, was of a nature that exposed them to constant' • quarrels vv;th their parishioners ; that made their incomes uncertain, and which placed them in a repulsive position with regard to the parties whose spiritual has wants they administered to. The Com mission been now in operation more than two years and a half, and has commuted tithes of parishes to the number of 2,190 giving an income to the holders of tithes of about 750,0001. I will not insist upon any calculations which I might make with regard to the income which had by that means been secured to the clergy ; but what I do insist on is, that by this measure the clergy are receiving art income far more valuable in the greater number of instances than they previously wet e, and although the arrangement is so far disadvan tageous to them, that they cannot exercise that right which they certainly had, of pressing upon the agricul turists, and requiring one-tenth of any increased income arising - from the increased productiveness of the land ; still they received a certain income without dispute or quarrel, and in most cases beyond what they formerly received.—( Hear.) The next measure was a measure recommended not by the present Government, but by the Government in connection with the Church Com mission. With regard to benefices and pluralities, this was one of the most crying evils—(Hear) —and any Hon. Member a ho takes up the book which I hold in my hand—the Clerical Guide for 1836—will see that many clergymen hold more than one living ; and that, in short, 1,200 [ersons have no less than five different preferments in the Church, and that a greater number had two or three each. The Bill of last year enacted that no clergyman should, in certain cases, hold two livings, and nat more than one Cathedral preferment consistent with oue living, and that if one happened to be worth more than 1,0001. a-year, he should not hold two. Various other alterations were proposed respecting glebe-houses, and many great changes regarding non residents and plurality.—( Hear, hear, and order, order.) —[The confusion arising from the conversation of Members entering or departing, or preparing to leave, was so great that for several minutes at a time it was absolutely impossible for those in the gallery to collect the entire of any sentence delivered by the Noble Lord.] Considering the very great outcry that has been raised twainst what were termed the overgrown wealth and indolence of the Church, I think it must be admitted that the object of the measure now introduced is not so much to restrain privileges as to prevent abuses. — ( Hear, hear.) It will not interfere with any financial arrangements, except those which one of the most able of the clergy of the Established Church has said to be the source of weakness and not of strength in the Church. Let it not then be said that the measure now recommended to Parliament proposes any enactment really injurious to the interests of the Church.—(Hear.) I now come more directly, Sir, to the provisions of the measure before the House. Amongst its leading objects are the intention of regulating Cathedral dignitaries, and that an increase should be made to the incomes of very small livings, and also to the revenues of clergymen doing duty in populous places, and not hitherto receiving adequate remuneration. According to the calculations of the Church Commissioners, the increments proposed to be made would not be extrava gant. The additions (we understood the Noble Lord to say) would be confined to incomes from 300/. to 1,0001. a year. Where the population is 10,000, it is proposed that the income of the clergyman should not be under 4001., .and that the lowest should not be under 1501. The aggregate funds required to make those proportionate additions IN ould be 145,495/. ; but. t , allowing for certain supplies t hat would arise from d minutions in some quarters , 130,495/. would still be required. The Church Commissioners have also stated that in the dioceses of Lon don, York, and Winchester, there is a large number of the population destitute of spiritual instruction. It is the earnest recommen dation of the Church Commissioners and the intention of the measure now before the House that means should be provided for an adequate supply of those deficiencies. As regards Oxford, it would be im possible to spend more money in clerical incomes (so the Noble Lord was understood to speak). I believe the spirit that now actuates Parliament. is to sec that be fore the incomes of the smaller livings in the country are increased—before new incomes are instituted—no part of the really necessary income of the Church should be di minished, but at the same time that none of those incomes not necessary for the due adequate maintenance of the clergy should be continued. The great object is to have the services of the clergy duly secured to the flock and effectively performed. Acting upon these views, the Church Commissioners examined the Cathe,dral foundations ; they found that on many of the old foundations there have been found Pre bendal-lea and Canons not resident, but hold ing preferments, and performing at the same time i n tho s e places to which they were supposed to be per sonally attached, only such duties as one sermon in the year, or some other equally unfatiguing service. One of the-objects of this measure is to promote for the due Cathedral service, and to secure the attendance of cler iety and zeal, by se cur i ng vreen of distinguish 11).4cquatc incomes. —(H ear .) diem in the possession of a Proceeding on these grounds :. 11 £ Church Commission unanimously agreed that it wouo be sufficient if a Deacon and four Prebendiaries shoulJ be attached to each Cathedral, by which means the serv i ce would be duly performed.—(Hear, hear; hear\ There is nothing I have seen in the objections "PV 11 it'll have been mentioned which have induced me to Alter the opinions I entertained at that time. There may be particular eases of hardship, but alto- 1 gether I do not think there would be any way in which the object in view could be bet ter accomplished, than by the mode pointed out.— (Hear, hear.) I have already stated that it would have been impossible to have asked any great incretsee of the funds of the Church, until these matters have been I examined. There is another mode that might have been proposed, and which seems in the first report to have been considered—it is that mode which consists in applying the tithes - and other revenues to the general wants of the country. This plan was recommended by the late Bishop of Lichfield and Coventry, than whom I there never was a man more zealous or more at tentive to his duties. He recommended that where tithes or other revenues are derived from a parish, 1 1 that at least one hundred a-year be reserved to that parish, but that the remaining income be applied S to the general wants of the Church. 'Without laying down any scale, I may say I think the proposi tion of the Church Commissioners, is met by the 1 59th clause in the Bill which proposes to carry into effect what the Bishop of Lichfield had in contemplation. It is proposed in that clause 1. that any sum derived from the diminution of prebendaries and from sinecures should he applied, after due consideration to the wants of the parishes in I which they accrue, to the general wants of the 1 C';:tircli. In that manner the incomes to be derived from these parts of the Church Establishment would be made of very great use in the pastoral instruction of the people. I have already stated that 130,4991. would be re quired to raise the livings to the scale which is mentioned in one of the Reports of the Church Commission. NMI', the total proceeds from this fund would be 134,2511., and therefore there would- be the means from this fund of gradually supplying those pressing wants. The wants are very extensive in some large district; where there is an immense population. Un doubtedly this plan does not fitly provide for those wants, but sacrifices will be made by those who have pa4onage, and great exertions will be made on the part of the people at large. The Hon. Member • for Middlesex gave in one year 2,000/. for the erection • of churches ; and there are great numbers who have subscribed very largely to the increase of churches in proportion to the increase of population ; but I do think . if the Church had said, as it is proposed to say, by the Hon. Member for the University of Oxford, We will keep up every establishment of the Church—we w ill keep up 20 Chapters in one place, and 15 or 16 in another—we will keep up all the sinecures in the Chuich—l think it would then be hopeless for in dividuals to make any efforts.—(Hear.) With respect to various other objections that have been made to this Bid, I do not think it necessary now to enter into them at length. Whenever they are specifically stated, I shell be ready to meet them. There is one which I certainly think it is impossible to raise now. It is said that Parliament ought not to deal with these matters at all, or to attack the revenues of the Church. I be lieve such a course of conduct would he totally incon sistent with the whole practice of legislation, horn the earliest age to the present day. There has been con stantly that connexion between Church and State that while the State had considerable influence over the 1 Church, and while the Government gave support to the Church, Parliament has, from time to time, regulated 1 the affairs of the Church. There are, no doubt, other questions stated by the Chapters,. with respect to any diminution of their numbers ; but I think, on examining their statemect,the Chapters they describe are not those which actually exist. There is another suggestion stated in one of the pamphlets on the subject, that persons pound to all holding stalls in cathedral towns might /3 the parishes in the diocese, and the parishionei:s would thus hear from one of the dignitaries those doe.. rifles which they now hear from the parish preachers. / : 10 1 not think if this were done it would be either agreeable to the incumbent, or that the dignitaries themselves I would think they were justified in asking the incum bent to (rive up his pulpit to their use.—(Hear, hear.) fi I don't know that on the second reading of the Bill 1 need gO into any farther topics than I have now done. I have stated the general outline of the Bill, and have . not stated the details. The Bill is a Bill which has inr its principle the placing cathedral establishments in what the Church Commission considered an efficient, forrn— in what the Archbishop of Canterbury and other Pre hates considered an efficient form, and at the same time procurit.g a considerable sum for the supply of those spiritual wants which are so manifest. As that is a Reform which it is thought would tend to increase the affections of the peoplo towards the Church Establishment, as I believe they would not lose anything that is really of use to them, and that they would gain much by se tti ng this exirep." I trust the House will have nodroiffincougleteo' of the he giving sanction to the principle of th e Bill. Certainly if the patronage of the Crown or the put had been considered, no scheme of the kind would 1 1°1)5 been proposed. There is a sacrifice made onthe pat lay(' of the Croon, of upwards of 50,0004 and there is t con siderable sacrifice on the part of the Bishops, a not propose ,this Bill with a view to tlie • rests of the Clown, or with a view to the inttricersitnsloci the beads of the Church, but with a view to the efficiency and usefulness of' the Church Establish- merit. I beg, Sir, to move the second reading of this Bali. Tne SPEAKERhasingput the question, Sir ROBERT INGLI - S said that the present measure certainly wanted that kind of consistency in its provisions, which, if it had not redeemed it in his 1 eyes, certainly would have rendered it less objection- able. lie would proceed to the consideration of this ' Bill, in this way : admitting the spiritual destitution of large districts, admitting the right of Parliament to interfere, he would deny the propriety, he might al most sa3 the legality, of the measure proposed. Would a ) c e t i j it be considered consistent with law , or with the pria- ciples upon which they were to act , if for the sake of rehoing temporal destitution in St. Giles's the inhabitants of other parishes were rz.quiredto surrender their prop erty ? Because there was destitution in the puruoliu rtv rin of e s, ma districts it would not be just to apply the property o f a Dean and Chapter 100 miles distant to that object. Ile (Sir R. Inglis) considered this Bill to be a c e i n fi. 3 cation of property—it was taking away e c e I e s i a s t i c ilk: take bdtoihsdteireipsbrutpi without redistribution, butoaf any 3 t ' ibt a e l w l e pa g s a ei t an i n o e n ft , :ne o ed r t it shp : o e p,i , t i i 5 .,, t r: without any proof, of offence on their part. It mi, ; 1, , - b ti e or c i a " il t e o d t ' a of Exeter and apply it to the religious necessities of Chichester. This Bill was not in conformity with the original recommendations of the Ecclesiastical Com mission. The Bill did not tend "to render the several cathedral and collegiate churches more conducive to the interests of the Estab lished Church." This object would be effected by any measure tending to promote the efficiency of these establishments, but not by taking away their resources. He (Sir R. Inglis) hoped that the feeling of hostility against the Established Church which might have existed was now greatly diminishing, and that the nation was fast returning from the state, it might almost be termed, of temporary insanity with regard to the II Church.—(A laugh.) He was sure that for the last five or six years there had been an increasing attach ment to the principles of the Church—an increased sense of its value, and of the obligation to im prove its efficiency.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") A distinction had been drawn between the inviolability o f the property of the Church, and of private persons—. distinction, no doubt, between the private person, the Church ; but he had • that principle he never could adm i p t. rop T er h ty er o e f w a as pr s iv on a te e person, and the property . . _ Dean and , t. the s. p t r h i n e e ispalme same, whether upon which it th e d Th Clain, stom:iere was no propertyntained difference in the titles by which the Chapt er of Hereford, and the Corporation of London held their re th st a e t d spected a lay body, or a spiritual body. . properties. It would be as unjust to take respective • the property o f the Cathedral of Westminster, and ap ply it to the religious wants of Truro, as it would b e to -take the dock dues of Liverpool, and apply them to the repairs ' of the town of Dover. The title of the Dean and Chapter of Durham to their Church property was as good as the title of the Earl of Durham to his coal property. The tamest that could be procured from the confiscation effected by this Bill was 30,0001.—(Lord J. Russell-- " A-year.") Was it clear that by diminishing the num ber of the dignitaries of the Church, its efficiency would be improved—seeing that those dignities,perhaps, proved something of an attraction to some who might have en. tered the Church out of no strong personal religious feeling, but whose beneficence might bring great wealth into the Church. the whole income of the Church ~,a , not more than three mil lions three hundr ed thousand pounds a-year, and it w as p ossible that full tha t sum was brought into the Churc h ever y y ear b y the independent property of it'sdignitaries, applied in thos e c h arities which tended to rende r the Cler gy ob jects of affecti o n and respect. He (Sir Robert Inglis) kne.w several i n stances in which dignitaries of the Church had either left by legacy or gi v e n by donation, very 1 -;- e sum s to the Church. The Hon. Bart. the n rea d an extract from a pamphlet written by a member of the Dean and Chapter of Hereford, in which there was a stron g ap peal on behalf of those ecclesiastical bodies -.and the expression of a belief that the attacks which were made ,nd ace Drd ich ~~