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the effect of giving a power to the Secretary of State on extraordinary occasions of opening letters, and of re sealing them with the Post-office seal. But if this ques torn was to be whether they were to give the power, without modification, or not give it at all, certainly he should vote against its being given at all, for he must say, to slightly alter the words of the Hon. Member for Shrewsbury (Mr. D'lsraeli), that this system of opening letters was nothing either more or less than legalised hypocrisy—(Hear, and laughter)—a system of false hood, countenanced, recognised, and legalised by Go vernment. And if he were to adopt any opinion on the subject, it would be the opinion expressed on another subject b:v the Hon. Member for Dorsetshire last session, that " what was morally wrong could never be puliti oally right." The very same argument as was used fur the employ ment o f spies, might be used in defence of this system of opening letters. They might conceive themselves justified if they suspected any man of being dangtrous to the Government—they- might, he said, con ceive themselves justified in employing a person to be come the servant of that man, and thereby get at all the private sentiment-r and proceedings of that individual breeah the agency of one whose fidelity ought to be in orruptible, but who, in violation of every sense of duty ad honour, should report the secret, and, as was sup- Posed, the unobserved proceedings of his master to the Government. Me therefe theught that, under all these eirenmstances, he was re, bound to vote for the Bill of his Hon Friend, and if they wished not to promulgate a great fallacy throuelient the country. they .shOuld how the. Bill to h e breiight in to abroeate, the ex,reise chi v y Power, anti int roquee e eletise 'vii -h should entiele the. zsecretary of Steep, under certain cases. toi-xereiee the Power, net in a secret, but in an open fp:timer He bed understoOd that the Austrian Gov, rnment werein the habit • of opening letters and of resealing them with the seal of the po s e.,,ffi g ,,. That was a manly and straiebtfor• ward course, tie d he coeld et ee why this c. untry c ould not ienitete so excelleet n s an , xiitnple. Fer these reaeon s h. eh, iiil , l e , 40 for t h e moi i„ e of his llon.Friend. Mr- HUME said, that th- real question bets re the Hells , - was, whethe r the Government hould be anew, d to inierfere with the proceedings iif fo eign rs in this c' ti e nt tY• Thet it was in itself a most odious anti int §eacretary for (int o .us abuse, ;el if the Hight lion. Bar net the the Home Depertivient (Sir James Gra ham) kne w hew much his character, both political and ales of ~ isTO, ~, (ci • moral, h ad been dameged throughout the country — House) IT from the inis one si e b e'°O. Gentlemen might express their pi ,ions t.eueoe's) ex 11 , 8 , tee,Y thought proper, but according to his (Mrs experience such was the case ; and he be that that if the Right lion. Baronet were aware of it, hat he would be one of the first to consent to the ri mis sion of this most odious and unjust power ; and he could not help of a po wer, which, as king why h e s h ou ld o bj ect to t h e abrogation by his own acc-unt, had caused him thbe badgered, torme one and abused, from ne end of th e co untry to a nother. He cou ld te ll t h e Ri g h t nourable Baronet, w that this torment and badgering as not without a ground, and -he effect on his ewe b e would, he (Mr. Hume) felt assured,- Permanent as w e ll as injurious.—(Hear, hear.) He saw no reason why, if' this power were to be exercised In the supervision of foreigners resident in this country, seewere supposed to be engaged in some pro dings hostile to the Government of other nations, it should not a l so b e exercised over E ng li s h men, who !night be enraged in similar combinations. England had hitherto been the refuge of the world for men per secuted f or their political opinions in other Countries, and were they now to throw aside this, one of the gre atest of th e g l or i es wh i c h t h e country possessed, - Sim PlY for the s a k e o f i nter f er i ng w ith th a t w i t h w hi ch we h ad nothin g t o d o ? H e must say , t h at h e cou l d not e nvy the Minister who desired it, and the sooner the Power of opening letters was totally abrogated the betto r. —(Hear, h ear .) Mr. T. DUNCOM B E rose am id l ou d an d repeated cries of '' Divide, divide," and said that he was sorry to bear the decision to which the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir question Graham) h a d come . H e h a d h ope d that this s t ae stion might have been amicably disposed of by ac ceding to his motion for the abrogation of the odious Power whi c h had now so frequently been reprobated in that House, of opening letters passing through the 4-ost-office.—(Hear.) Under present circumstances, _ the letters of every man were precisely in the same Position as the papers in a men's desk. If the owner of !beta were suspected of dangerous or seditious proceed :ll,gs, the i ssu i ng o f a warrant wou ld at once subject the re to scrutiny. His Hon. Friend the Member for London (Lord John Russell) was the only person who has sat on the Secret Committee who had spoken on the su bject, and he had expressed himself as quite opposed to the existence of this power. He (Mr. Duncombe) !itherefore felt entitled to consider the sentiments of that on. Member as the sentiments of the Committee.— „k:' No. no," from several Members) W hy, there was sue Noble Chairman sitting there (Lord Sandon) and he said not a word in contradiction. But whether this Were so or not, this practice of opening letters . , Was abhorrent tip the the people of Eneland(Hear, hear)—and, he behaved, contrary to the principles of th e Constitution. Such, at least, hid b• en the °pini on expressed by Lords Denmen arid Campbell in the House of Lords ; and he might, it is true, be accused of possessing a " privient" curiosity, but he l i ras- curioue ti know hoe tar the sentiments of the Noble Committee coincided with the opinion s of th ose '"ble Lords. At any rate, he was determined to know w e hether the law iv, uld justify any (n4n in the act, either Y himself or his depute, of opening the letters of another. Ile should certainly appeal. to the Court of 11; *. e n ''' Be , ch, to a-eertein a hells r t i e , warrants issued el ' a rri , ti S. Cren t er) . •, f 'ettve wer e I, eal or net —(Greet - - tb, ar was hre made te divide.) He' (Mr. Diancortbe)- the ' l l e ght that Hi in. Gent!, men were mere anxious about 4!at,..•.lintiers, than about the. business of the country, :'l,(let divide)—but he was determined to do his fluty, wi:i(hihstantling the obstruction, the unfair obstruction et .h ad been throw n in his way, and attempt .witli his e _ lost, exer.tien to do away with this odious, villaineds, 4114i-ost in:quit:ins power. T he House then power. when there appeared— For the divided, a gainst it m_ri.P, ....... : a 3 '3' ntrainst it —B3 k Mr. mAc RiN ", 1 41 OF TOW NS. the 1.1 - - ( nue to oho ON then rose to call the attention of Co mmission er , on" the of the Committee and of the terments within th Le he could not do Health of Towns, regarding in bcse precinct; of large towns. lie thought 4611 1. to male, the eter, in the few observations he was . Petition which ', r n state to the House the terms of a „netitute of ei , e held in his hand, from the Mechanics' Lai_ Ruler a manner,tlnhe:ndr. The ' • was worded in so petition 8 7 8 abo ut to so applicable to the subject he to the House, that he th °lll l rend the firPrn a th ey worked first Pp°a'ret that. it The petitioners stated that „.hard, they , after their . and hardthey cued her they dived hard, and t° that they deemed it doubly ~„ enorm ous . ex *-'.r death, their families should be put utter their bei en in having them interred, and, me tted as tbeng interre, their remains should be dose hester. H. b Y constantly were, in the town of Man reinetne, d e zged leave ..., t _ ere , abo ut eto present that petition. He , w ar t rli thi s „ lei Lore° years ago, when he first be met with Pre under the attention of the House, Were to A lau e b, W a " n Pon the''...' h er and joking, and observations til ts the e ase , three surclity of his rroposition. What of e tt. ° P ie ten of that house afterwards? What was now _,efe country u use, end what were the sentiments nwithoet P t on the subject? He had had petitions nunaber _ Ipfieations ei i the° present to that House. He had had D in ts were fon ut end on the subject, and the public b r° ''' one end of °f the nuisance of these interments. :. een a strong andthe. ki ngdoM to the other there had _8.11).e alteeation in t;ioleint feeling. pecifed in favour of sae ' this praci. e present system. He was perfectly ti s ti e to be diseount ace of interments ought in some mea ee e ee ce i e ded or not e i naneed by the House, and whether he get --n R' he wool n getting a vote in his favour that o. _ the House . 0 Use his beet endeavours at all timee to d on't to C I _',l oerne cis beet resolution that this nuisance '''il i t y et , h..,4oa.ted. But it might be asked, " Why 'ate imiviroliac,in.ia Bill ?" -Ilk answer was that a pr i- 1 e h t _ninetit, noute l t 1,0 himself, unconnected with the Go vin . 'ince of U not by any possibility with the slightest em succ ess es • (r . ~ tho a every one urin e in a Bill, because he was coll et, Mttil a of who differed with him would cavil with _.r hi tn t ,, ‘ the Bill—it wauld be utterly impossible toion tep ro ",, si s ) o ‘ ceeed in it. It was therefor.. his intim w pinion„f t y l i s 4 e, the following resolutieti—" That it is the , i tbin th e r , r dtise that it is inexpedient that interments he ° Ohl b e ,„'" "Inas of this teetrepeli s end large towns de f t or tbeontieuee, eu both as being injurious to the it ge cencyet ..,,P,c0p1, , , and as being contrary to public - • i l ! . s to this lie anteceded in persuading the House to di ln f 0,, ,, - r e , olution, he would then pledge himself Si, ez g locit, al l a llille but it must be at the sam- time ' , to ile. ; naeereteed ti ' h `-- i n -i r o r tt . i.t...- sootild do so only as the S' • He Govern % ' I nto the Govern ment. IVit hiiut going back te e 8 . ., . e practice of intermeets in the time of ole evio tte ,Ject ea ,or tote time of Constantine, 1 i the was Wi th . i t, htt._, who i) eo In t h e honing the dead, either in churches or te e precincts tif towns,he would seht e Mt (me,_ , lame I„ t eiect. T he 1 ." the recent reports upon this ei ge to e nu tirst notice taken of interments within ta as iksu e d b was , bY the Ecelesiestical Commission, which e .Pee e and y the order of Government, which made its 1;10(11te,h,' wiiosts;hteh report was signed by certain indi te, over, to a jleineo be would mention. Previously, ti) atr jr. t. 'il l e ng $(11 he would read an extr Ice from tip' the . liiiie tte t 'cal Commissioners reported ears 4. practice of leixt.ia;ls - in churches ° en s . 1 - 0 Us i n jaia _ . .. or chancels tt e iye_ i _ .ny respects injurious —in some cases ~fit,eehorah......o orn.e instances to shut out the public from 41 s of the ' nd in others it has a tendency to affect civ til,_ Inhabitants. We are, therefore, of opinion Fiat ii , e 24 praetie, should be discentinued far as Nee can no effected with 1-• . ,so the si Y who out treneuieg on vested rights." Igeod by the orn was this report • • ' 5 4 Y tne • signed? Why it was 104, on, the Biel) Archbishop of Canterbury, the Bishop of 11, ‘ I Te nt „,, 0 1) of Durban), the Bishop of Lincoln, i f i!dal, e e , e '_° . o, Lord Welford, and Mr. Chief Justice b. Its re „ ( 7 What was the use of issuing this Commission, eel rrt seae nr ti ces e did grin In to be attended to? In 1842 the nf7the the honour to grant him a Committee stea a Gentle;3 1 which lie was chairman, and which th,Z,,e Uoi,s,eolnen.who OCCUpiCd scars on both sides ‘ v itie' e loraitt .? whet was the unanimous report of h, in th. ec It was that the Nth - Precincts fI ' practice of interments t o p of the . 0 arge towns was injurious to the . ü b ii _ _, e inhabitants thereof and f l Neft e :; tiecen e y . 0 , , - , requent y o ensive i ts r In vest . .. i wnat use now was I hat Committee, 4 a d ead 1 Iga‘tug evidence, its report was to be treated / Os w ere " t er? Ziir Beni t o • B e• ' e: g. tl. ' examined before , mu ro...ic and Dr. Chain its a l'e eminent . that Committee, and what b tv. s e a , ,„o practitioners say? Why, the first off vg), Yara s • l ' you consider the crowded state of the 44. in this metro xris • %raid °r disease?" ~._ r) is in any way the cause lipp ite ereel i t i , The answer was, " I have always to . t s one " ' t, et 0 cam,. Then Dr Chamber: being lar"" 4l lnit,..' a 3 to wh ether . fast klb . - .7 Wig 0 ,. .. .1. the health -of the te Lowie s „ . eay . .V 4 t not injured by interments in tf 12. 1 a fever%„_,444 statealent:—" I have no doubt Weir',,ndoe, owe their even in the cleanly qaarters t hat 'of , the , ••- a. origin • toputrid 'in " mias a. lie trouble the II --' as t a k„, ~ °l,lte *ith any furthCe evidence nefare. - that- Committee. trow, after this report and the report of the Ec clesiastical Commission were on the table of the House, what did his Right lion. Friend the Home Secretary state ? Why, the Right Hon. Gentleman stated that he did net believw theie was any injury done by interments in large towns: But th e Ri g h t Hon. Baronet not being 'satisfied with the results of former inquiries, apppointed Mr. Chad Wick, the secretary to the Poor law Comenissiohers, to investigate this suoject. Mr. Chadwick was engaged from. the middle of 1842 to the middle of 1843,,ininquiring into the matter. and then his report was laid before Par liament. And what did they find -in' that repert ? Why, that ail interments in close towns contributed to produce atmospheric impurity, and yet the Right Hon. Baronet was not satisfied with this opinions It seemed to him quite clear that his Right Hon. Friend having that report before him, was afraid to give offence to certain parties. He reminded him of the Pope at Rome, aho said that the acknowledgment of a certain fact represented to him would be inconvenient, and that, therefore, the only course for him was to deny it. One objection to the measure was, that it would interfere with the vested rights of the-established ch rgy. But the fact was, that a large majority of the members of the church were in favour of the measure ; and in support of that statement he relied upon the evidence of the Bishop of London and the Rector of Leeds (Dr. Hook). The great mass of the Dissenters were also in favour of it, and they were not at all adverse to a provision for preeeaeirig the 'vested rights of the clergy. Before he sat down, he woull•eall the attention of the House to the Seem:A Re port of mhe Committee on the Health of Towns. The Second Rep :rt stated. that the attention of the Commit tee had been brought to the injurious effect of the crowded state of churchyards in large towns—(not re ferring to London)—especially in Shields, Cheater, and other teams named He would now come to another statement made to him by a gentleman, a pritialpa/ member of one of the lens of Ceurt, who wrote to him am communicate facts of the. most startling character in support of the Bill. toe of . hose statements referred to a place formerly celled Dion chapel, in the limn:. diate neighbourhood or Lincoln's Inn. Thee place was used in the morning as an infaet school, and in the evening as a place for In the cellar were deposited the bodies of nearly 9,000 p, , rsons, from which an -intolerable stench was emitted. In the summer a peculiar insect made its appearance. whilst infectious disease was spread through the neighbourhood. The poi:cc had been applied to ; but the authorities declared that they had ne power to interfere to remove the charnel-house, or to prevent the saturnalia that were carried on within it. The letter was signed by Mr. G. Grace, the principal of Clement's Inn. The moon. Gentleman then referred to a work Published by the amiable and learned Evelyn,. in the year '1729 in widet that, good man referred to the practice of the ancient Christians not to allow - the dead to be buried within :be precincts of their towns ; much less (according to Evelyn) would they have allowed inter ment in their temples.. The practice of interment. within, churches commenced in the reign of Charles 11., which was no high authority for the practice. The number interred in this metropolis etnountecato 1,000 per week, making a total of upwards of 50,000 a-year. Look, then, to the enormous : mass of human bodies accumulated in the • grave -yards of the metropolis in the course of twenty -years. He was assured, upon high medical authority,- that if the 'practice were continued many years longer some `dreadful epidemic would suddenly spread amongst the•people. He put it to the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir James Graham) to think of the responsibility which, would fall upon him, if, by rejecting this measure, he was the means oabringing about any such - plague. Was it not extraordinary and disgraceful, that in this great metropolis, the centro.of the civilisation and the wealth of the world, such . an evil was continued ? That we were so wedded to the abominable practice of interment in large towns that neither the Government nor'the Le gislature would interfere to put an end to it ? He sup posed that his Right Hon. Friend would plead the diffi culties of the.question. But surely those difficulties ought not to deter his Right Hon. Friend from the per formance of a great duty. What he proposed to make to the House was an abstract proposition condemnatory of the practice of burying in large towns as injurious to the public health and to public decency. In submitting that proposition to the House he was willing to leave the measure in the hands of the Government, if they would take it up. If they did not, he would proceed with his measure himself ; and he would renew it next year, and again and again, until he succeeded.—(Hear, hear.) He concluded by moving a resolution to the effect which he had stated. Mr. HUME seconded the motion. lie thought it highly discreditable to this country, that whilst Ger many, Spain, and even Sicily had taken measures to prevent pestilence to the living, from the indecent sepulture of the dead in crowd, d towns, the abomination was allowed to continue in thi s countr y.—(H ear , h ear .) It was vain f or us to exclaim against the barbarity of savage nations who destroyed one another, whilst our Legislature allowed pestilence to be engendered and pro ;emigrated for the destruction of our own people.—(Hear, hear.) He could not believe that the Hon. Baronet .vould allow this state of things to exist I;:nger. He had stated that therm- was a measure to that effect about to be introduced, hut it was his (Mr Hume's) opinion it would he of no effect without comprehen jug interment. In stead of botaering themselves with curtailing the hours of mabour of citizens in a healthy state, the Government ought to interfere to cheek this practice. They aettned, however, to be utterly apathetic as regarded this important matter. The lionoerable Gentleman .hen proceeded to read extracts from the ebservatione of Dr. Reid, and Mr. Brandt, respecting the dele teri nis qualities of the miasma, arising from churchyards, remarking that though it did cause. material and sudden disease yet it frequently ge nerated it by slow degrees. What would be the state of those inhabitants in the neighbourhood of a churchyard? If they had a regular plague in London how soon the Government would take measures to stop it ; but what was this but a plague in a lesser degree. Their infor mation was not founded on their owe country ; Professor Brandt " states that in Paris the water generally con tained a quantity of organic matter, and that it received a colour from the soil, and that a great number of them were adjacent to churchyards." It Was near 18 years ago since he moved-for returns of the number of church yards, their extent, and the number of bodies interred in them during the year. The reports laid on the table of the House. Let any one take up the list and it was enough to disgust any individual Member of Parliament, and persons of high rank should recollect that they had duties to perform, and that they ought to consider the situation of helpless masses of the people, and ought to see that they were not hastening the death of their fellow-creatures in this manner, which was nothing less than savage. Dr. Reid gave instances 1 where 20 coffins were interred in the space of one grave, and stated that they were so full of carbonic acid that time grave digger could not venture to go down. He hoped that the Hon. Member's motion would be supported, and that Hon. Gentlemen would lend their aid in removing this evil. Every passage of the book from which he quoted contained evidence so strong that any one who read it woull be convinced of the great mischief result ing from the practice. When the returns were made, he ' was sure that Hen. Gentlemen, by paying attention to them, would see that tens of thousands of pounds which they were employing to improve different parts of the world, would be better made use of in assisting that un fortunate, hardworking, and valuable class, who became incapacitated, and were disabled by the bad atmosphere which they breathed. From the humane feelings of the House he knew that the Hon. Manila r's resolution would be carried triumphantly. If the lion. Geode.: manahe Secretary of State for the Home Depaatmeot prepared t Bill to abola h that nuisance, •it would meet . the same fate. He should like to see the man who would oppose it. The latter was the course which he would recommend, and he was of opinion that the Right Hon. Baronet would pursue-it. Sir J. GRAHAM said that the Hon. Member for; Montrose expressed a hope that he should hear some thing from him on this subject which would be satisfac tory.. But he w a s a f ra id, f rom t h e exaggera t e d v i ew aken en this sulijeet, that he should disappoint the Hen Member. The Hon. Member for Lytnington (Mr. arackinnon) had stated. that when he first brought this matter forward two or three years ago, it was received with j--era and laughter. He (Sir J. Graham) must say, that the Hon. Gentleman's memory was deceptive on! hat occasion. He saw and heard many discussions with. seference to the public health, and he was sure that a discussion respecting the health of so large a portion of die community was never discussed with the slightest violation of decorum. His Hon. Friend had r ferred to his responsibility in this matter—net in direct terms, ,) At in ti-rats not to be misundersomel. He called hint sepine, and negliet-io, and said that he teas courting spurious popularity,. and went so far as t sty, that persons in his position—Members of the House of Commons—from their station were disposed to neglect the lower orders. He (Sir J. Graham) was perfectly aware of his responsibility. He was guide d by a sense of his duty in the matter. But looking to he importance of this matter, and seeing how much it was connected with the interests of the poorer claeses, he should pause before he should.give his assent to this resolution. Ile must be permitted to obseavea that customs in foreign countries were quite inapplicable to the consideration of this question. In foreign countries they had no scruple in having recourse to quicklime and various other minters for the purpose of decomposing. bodies, which would by no moans be admitted here. With regard to the particular case, it was no..auch easy matter at once to declare by force of an Act'of Parlia ment that relations should not be:buried in places where their kindred had been buried. .He would not believe it to be a matter of expense or outward decorum. There existed inward feelings—feelings which were entitled to the utmost respect, and which were' not peremptorily to be violated by any one. His Hon: Friend said that, with respect to the practice that prevailed in this.city regard ing the interment of the dead, there existed a strong feeling—that the. practice was abhorrent to human na ture, disgusting,and classed thein with barbarians. He was reminded of his duty with respect to public. health ; he demurred to the opinicin that public health was injured by interments in, cities.. Con sidering the amount ~of population, there was no metropolis in Europe where puhlic health prevailed to the same extent. .Then the Hon.. Member said that this was a painful subject, and not suited for discussion is a public assembly like this; The Hon. Gentleinan the Member for Montrose ieferred.to the fact, that health was impaired by residing in the neighbourhood of _churches.' Thai he did nut agree to. The Bishop of London, for he- did not see why he should. not give his authority, told' hiin that, when he was the rector of Bishopsgate, that th e re c t o ry vas cont ig uous to. the iahuicbeand.he'retnatrked that at no period were his wife , and family more healthy than when they. residared there. 4Witheregarel to the rectory of Ste ditmeeas and St. Gilme'e;_ dideneelietleve that. these tesaideoxea Weia.unhealthy; nor did lie - believe that Gtorgeaiteeit;t near • 'Sc. aMeri lgaret'e,aw:as. --unhealthy,. but: lid •underata6d , :that, - • it. was; one 'of the most healthy klaCes. in the Citt es TUE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, APRIL 9, 1844. Lord EBRINGTON said he believed that the 'princi ple advocated by the Hon. Member opposite was one which that Hon. Member believed would be one of public utility. ; but he (Lord - Ebrington) had heard other speeches upon the proposition, which to him appeared to contain many. unworthy and no. pus preju dices, and into which had been thrown a set s of objec tions to public improvement- that wouldsislmede and delay measures necessary far the better 'rkAlation of the morals a nd -d ec .; ney Of t h e - community. He did think; that th e re a sons : ass i g ned by theAght hon. Baronet oppo s ite for ht's opposition to theAAsure were not borne out by the fatts ; and even his helot-had not been borne out by the statemetta of, those who were better qualified, from their inforination npon, the sub• jest, to speak upon it; and :nothing but tWepeesh he (Lord Ebri ng t on ) h a d b eard • from theß `iot Hon. Ba ronet would h ave i n d uce d hi m to a dd ress th e House on the proposition. When_ the. Right lion., Baronet had said, that th e o bj ect ' of foreigti`countries in' - their inter ments was to acce l erate dedomppslick =:ly artificial means, he appe are d to h ave 'fisitgotten oreaot.to have read what had been wr i t t en on d is Object by,Men very con versant with it. Ile (Laid •Ebrington) . W in his hand the report of 1)r. Reid, in which -it was - Atit ed that at Frankfo r t, an d a t •Munich s arsA many other places on the Continent, not more than Oneody was s itoanitted to be 4 411 4 interred in on e grave, in order 'that the .44,rncess of de composition might go on regularly; 4 1 passage did not contain one wor d ab out . " artifieiiii4Weans," but quicklime had in some instances been -teed, though it had not been practised generally. ~e,stsother instance mentioned by the. Right lion. Baronet'assslte practice of interments in foreigneonntriea was rather unfortunate for him, namely, that those who lived in '.the vicinity of St. Margaret's Church - had net found - irly noxious or offensive exhaltations:corning from -that;., churchyard. But what did Dr. Reid 'retort? Wht s Alytt the air in the vicinity of iSt. littSgsiret's Church waa gory unwholes.- some and" inju r iou s , not • on l y i n _ t h e, nathasing and the, night ti me , b ut a lA s during the day,skint.that offensives exhalations had b een fi equen 4 obsentftadeby many per- • sons. Surely - , then, when sueha suits*** as this comes from such an authority as .sr. Reid, .4,:ivas rather too much for the Right lions Baronet-to sittlhat the vicinity of St. Margaret's was a healthy 104IW: And, again, as to the statement Ofthe Right Hop; Ntori 'et that those . who resided i n h ouses surr oundings, urchyards in crowded and pop u l ous l oc ali t i esi ' we lensot injured by noxious exhalations, ite was - again CsaisVadicted by the• same report ; but he sfetild,not trespasOonger on the time of the House . by reading furthers4,tracts from it.' He (Lord Ebrington) Was . ftilly awl . "" s "Shat the Right Hon. Baronet had very many, and 19*.ps much more, important matters to a tt en d to , angst it he might not have given this question. all. the , attention that otheis seemed to think it demanded. If hellisti he would have found that this was one of as gristiOn;iportance to the publ.c as any now under`, Ins consideration, for nothitg could exceed the effect upon the healil of the people of interments in churchyards situated ins - populous localities. and 'large cities. Those effects wor e felt in a sanatory, in a moral and in a religious point', t view. And he - had no doubt - hut that'so long as a'tidlS interments were continued the localitieS would not be:'treed from the dis tresaing:endidisgtistiriS exhibitiens s Aey had heard of.-- . -- (Hear, hear.) The,lisight. Hon. Baronet had suggested a remedy,. it wattithe, „but he had forgotten that that applied only to rich' people, and thmk or cou ld not ava il themselves of it. On the s whole, th e n ; h e s h ou ld say h e would be very glad if thellea. Miter opposite would modify his motion, but °venal if good. he would support , . it.--( Hear, hear.) • . - 4,. ' , .' . .` ' .. Mr. Hs-ssie . s ug ied from his Noble Friend, fAo itrWE dS did d saidappear thatt to hhei him tha,t great difficulty lay in the way of .legislating upon this subject ; and that fact had been proved when a Bill *al introduced upon a former occasion; when the oppositi*to it was so great wouldo „g itl i e;t: .t e i r i t i opposite po most sit e wasdet deter- by those who possessed private spisarierty in the places proposed to be affected, that, the Blitwas abandoned,. b I e r carried, the proposition the lDissenters the Hon, mined opposition, for. that body lied upon a former occasion recorded their opinions 'in reference to it in a resolution which he found in Chadwick's report. The Hon. Member had stated:that he was willing to ttsStect vested rights, but he (Mr. Hawes) would ask what means had the Hon. Membt:r of asc er t a i n i ng t h e extent of those rights?—(Hear, hear.) Reference had been made by an Hon. Member near him to the practice of foreign countries in this respect, but, he would ask was the House prepared to adopt similar measures for this coun try. In those foreign countries the burial of the dead was a regulation of police which it would be impossible to bring into practice here, because it would involve the formation of a peculiar tariff, a scale of charges, and the establishment of a staff of. officers- or various sorts, and all this would entail upon the country a vast increase of expense. The Honourable • Member for Montrose, in his observations upon'this question, had forgotten to say one word in regard to vested rights; but as he (Mr. Hawes) had already occupied the House longer than be intended, he would not take up its time further than to say that the difficultieSin the way oflegislating upon this subject were 'So 0,0( arid ,insuperable that he should vote against: the motionof the Hoh. Member. Mr. BORTHISSICht said that this was a question which required thisnsOst.laborious attention; in fact, he conceived, that ton much attention could not be - paid to it. He didhope.that his Hon. Friend would modify his resolution, when he considered well the form in which he had placed it before the House. As to the practices in Oriental countries and 'theSouth of Europe, in regard to interment, he b egge d to remind the House that those differences arose,. not only from' •the differences of cli mate,'hut from the differences of the religious creeds of those countries.' He would :recommend his Hon. Friend to modify his resolution in- such a way as to induce the House to adopt it. The Earl of - LINCOLN' said the Hon. Member for Lambeth (Mr. Hawes) had s o candidly and so very ably stated the difficultie t i which attached to any legislation upon this very ithportant subject, that he would not have risen to address the House at that period of the debate if it had not been that the Noble Lord the Member for Plymouth (Lord Eb r i ngton ) had so strangely mis-. represented,- and therefore misunderstood, the observa tions of .hid Right Hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Horne Department. The Noble Lord had charged the Right Hon. Baronet with endeavouring to revive and establish old, vulgar, and almost exploded prejudices on this subject, and of throwirg his weight into the scale of private interest. His Right Hon. Friend, he was sure, in the statement which he had made, had done nothing more than endeavour to impress on the House the extreme importance of not exaggerating the evils which they were called upon to remedy,, at the same time impressing on the House the difficulties which attached to ft remedy for those'. evils. He (Lord. Lincoln) thought that was a sufficient. answer on the part' of his . " Right Hon. Friend, when he was charged with throwinglis weight into the scale of private interests. His Right Hon. Friend had told the House that he h a d h i mself en d eavoure d to appl y a res ; medy to some o f t h e evils comp l a i ne d of. He stated that he had instit ute d proceedings against some of those parties who had private interests in burial-grounds, and his Right Hon. Friend then stated that it would be diffi cult to introduce any legislative measure on the subject, such as would be likely to be adopted by Parliament. Ile (Lord Li nco l n) would wish to i mpress o n th e H ouse that this wa s not a mare question o f ves ted int eres t s , b ut it was one esp ec i a ll y involving the of those very parties for whom the H on . M e mber for Weymouth and the Hon. M em b er for Bolton in t h e cou rse of th e i r ad dresses had en d eavoured to .impress o n the H ou l e t h e propriety of , agree i ng to this measure — he meant the pnor. lie coos id ered that the poor man was m ore mate rially inter es t e d in thieinatter than the rich , and it . was on account of the interests of the poor that they ought to hesitate betore• thee' . pted a resolution such as that which his Hon.. ' . ':: ad proposed for restraining for ever and entirely all inter 's in all the towns throughout the kingdom. Let the Hois - consider how such . TegiAation * as this would affect the pecuniary interest of, t.ls . Amor. It might be of minor i m rtif t ee to the rich to . . , o, .ielled to inter their relatio ns a t a po - instance from their rein.., , but it e . g must entail on the pootsau enormous additional expe n se. hon Ma n i se. L .) ook es his Noble Friend ( Lor d at this metropolis, w h ere , were to b e f oun d. had 'truly said, this trlncipal difficulties_ s (O _ es, Would they compellbe poor inhahitant!of St. l a to ac company the dead body-of his relation to a cemetery beyond Hampstead, half-wiy 10, Harrow? Let the House consider not only the pecuniary expense o f , a i t his, but almost mpossi bility of its being effected. There would be heavy charge for coach hire, which could not sffset the rich, but which the poor could never heir. This difficulty was felt most strongly dwelt upon that chadwick. How did he pro by the very indiridual - who had made his report to the Home office, which hid ...been so much ev il complained of ? - Why, in evening—he meant' Mr. pose to remedy i , the p l an , therefore, would rest upon the poor the manner alluded' ,to by the Honsurabla Member t w hi o s u m ld od n e ot of bheorlyviiilllg for Lambeth—n=oY, that the matter should be left to police of a pauper. He (Lord Lincoln) poor rates, n e sig ss e u ts l: t la i o o os ti de s ae . s de This arl ,gp 09 work, r his relative as a relief kelp the poor -rate, whereby he would an ivo ° Uld ar .l t oolc n o w po h n o thought - that the feelings of the ploy were very materially con ieined in this question. They . wished that their bones should be mingled with :these of their relatives, and therefore they be placed in the 'position stould be averse to stish a saeSs.usr: subject, e this. He did not 'wish : to - deprecate legislation ,on tni_ cu up t e e t, merely wished to j vimpress 'on the -Iltinse the d'ffi_ Ii s which attended-it; and, She- was anxious . thatjhe Houseironould Friend, adopt a resolution ' such as that propoied by his which would-pre the &Ur . elude the consideration of . Awe, and would irrevocably N ledge l them to . a principle ' from which they Tloieraftei ,.. nesards s o t i l i r i l e recede d . lie could not see: why his li Ow, ' pn t' able ßi ' ll upon this s ubje ctte from ii the usual • practice of inttoducmg a The Hon w would be discussed intone of` lts stages. 0 . Gentleman who had ' last addressed theS:;flouse h a d Torndunded his Hon. Friend to modify his reeitOin• " ( but he Lin c oln) hoped his Hon. Friend would do ~,_no such thing , f hoped that he would withdraw thireYolUtion, and hi m s ove e or leave to bring in a Bill upon this subject. :'" Even if reswlluT should be' affirmed it would 'not advance any meas ure which h e might introduce, 'and if it 'should lie.,;negatived it would considerably impede its He should wish to see the Hon. Member for Lymington bring in a Bill. He had given his attention to this sub ject, and had been the chairman of a Committee who in quired into the matter; and ought to be able to give them much information as to - the mode of legislating. Having presided over a Counnittee, and laiowing what the measure should be, he ought not to procerd by an .abstract resolution of this - kind. Ile thought it an impe diment to legislation. He would tisk him as their pioneer not to press his res - olutidn, but, at once to produce his measure. He begged to be allowed to call the ,attention 'of the Hens° to the iruportance of his resolu tion. He said that interment within the City was a breach of public decorum—that it was in consistent with . social feeling, and with public healtb.—(Hear, hear,) He (Sir James' Graham) was not prepared to coincide with these statements. With regard to public decorum he could not understand how any.further legislation aas necessary to check it. With reference to the case of the Spa-fields burying ground; he thought it his duty on the part of the Go vernment to institute prosecutions. The matter was now pending. At the instance, and by the . in stigation of the Government, the parties had bean prosecuted, and if the facts should be fully established, he thought the law . was strong enough to grapple with the matter. Let them proceed to the Bill prohibiting interment in Cities, adopting the suggestion given them by Mr. Chadwick, he war perfectly sure that public feeling- would be excited to the strongest de. gree; and if they did . not take care it would be violated. As long as they confined themselves to abstract resolu tions, the public would not become very much interested. The Ecclesiastical Commissioners reported only against interment in chaneels; And the report of the Sanatory Commission, which glanced on the subject incidentally, proposed nothing specific. He admitted that the health of the people in large towns was only to be dealt with by the Governmenein a comprehensive measure. The Bill was almost prepared, and it would be brought before the House by his Noble Friend the Earl of Lincoln this present session. Yet he thought that this sub ject was so marked and distinguished from all other causes of disease that it would be expedient to keep it_ out of the operation of this measure.' Then, with respect to the terms of the report of Mr. Chadwick, his labours on this subject had been most extensive, but he thought - there was something vx aegerated in his views, and his remedial measures had convinced him of the ill effect of legislating on the subject. Now what .was the proposition of Mr. Chad wick? Why that all the arrangements for interments, which' had been hitherto conducted by private hands, should be - carried out by the Government, and that those interments should take, place at leaSt four miles outside the walls -of the metropolis. He _thought that they ought to take care how they adopted such principles by premature enactment; he thought matters had - much better be left to them selves, and by that Means the community would be much more inclined to accede to the plan. He belieVed that the adoption of the proposition of Mr. Chadwick, to take out of the hands of private parties, and place in the hands of the Government the conducting of inter ments, whatever sanction it might meet with within those walls, would out of doors be generally repudiated. He thqugh the utmost caution ought to be observed in legislating on the subject. He would willingly agree to any measuree-sindeed, bring it forward—if he could only meet.one that was likely to turn out satisfactory; but, as at preaent advised, 'he had not, as yet been able to pro cure, or meet with a naeasiare that was, in his. opinion, worthy of -adoption. It had been asserted in that House' that he (Sir J. - Graham) ought to bring forward some measure on the subject, but the question was, *hat that measure should be, in order fully to grapple with the evils com plained of ? He must say, that on the . part of the Government, he-was not prepared to bring in any mea sure, and he thought, therefore, it would be most im proper to agree to the resolution of the Hon. Member for Lymington. - His Hon. Friend had told the House that he was prepared to bring in a Bill, hut it was ac companied with the condition of the House passing the resolution. He (Sir James Graham) could not see the necessity of carrying the resolution before bringing in a Bill, Why not, he would ask, let the Bill be brought in, and then let the House give its opinion upon it? With every disposition to give the most candid consideration to any measure brought forward by his Hon. Friend the Member for Lymington, he felt bound to tell hilt that he was compelled to oppose the resolution. Mr. BERNAL thought there was great difficulty in the resolution proposed, and although he was prepared to go along with the Hon. Member for Lymington, in the principle of the resolution, he could not agree to all its dogmas. As to saying there were no dangers in in terments in large towns, be need only refer to some of the first authorities in medicine and science to contra dict that assertion. He believed there was a great deal of exaggeration on the subject of the number of burials that took place in the metropolis, because it must be ad mitted that the •cemeteries of IC. nsel-green and other places drew a great number of interments from the centre of the metropolis. But still, however, it must be admitted that a great number of burials took place, especially in the neighbour . - hoods in which the poor resided. In fact, the poor were the parties who generally suffered, and as a proof of that, he need only call upon Hon. Members, if they disbelieved him, to go to such places as St. Cle ment's, Clare-market, and St. Anne's, Soho. If the Right Hon. Gentleman was prepared to say he would bran i.): in some measure to relieve th.• poor of the neces sity of bum ying their dead in those places, he would say at once to the Hon. G en tl eman t h e M em b er for Lyming ton, abandon your resolution and leave the subject to the consideration of the Government. H e th oug h t i t un f a i r to say that it was the ministers of the Established Church alone that offered the only difficulty to the re moval of these nuisances. He considered that his Honourable Friend the Member for Lymington had not presented to the House such a resolution as he could agree to vote for, but, at the same time, he must say that the. Right Hon. - Baronet at the Head of the Home Department would not do his duty either to the House or the country unless he did some thing on the subject, either in the course of the present or the next session. Some endeavour should be made to close those places of infection to which he had alluded— namely, the burying-grounds of St. Clement's, Clare market, and St. Anne's, Soho. He, for one, should be heartily glad to see them closed ; and it was his firm belief that some arrangement might be made with the parish authorities to obtain so desirable an object as that of preserving the health of those who lived there. pariah. it which it had died. "Itis a most monstrous princi ple;",said the Hon. Gentleman, " that a demand of 7s. or 12s. should be made because my relations think proper to bury me out - of the parish in which I died."—( Loud laughter.) But in some oases, where the parties•were Dissenters, burial was re fused altogether. In legislating upon this subject, the difficulty they wou d have to contend with would be the Church, and therefore he had great pleasure in moving the amendment he had 'just read. " Dr. BOWRING seeonded the motion. Mr. MACKINNON said he felt himself placed in every de licate situation.--( Laughter.) His Hon. Friend, the Membea for Finsbury, with his winning ways, had come over to him, and asked him to amend his resolution, and it appeared to him (Mr. Mackinnon) that the only alter, ative open to him, was either to give up the resolution altogether, and give up all . `chauce of his Bill, or allow the amended resolution to be carried, which had just • been proposed. With- regard to his bringing in a - Bill, it must be recollected, tl at he would have to incur a great deal of trouble and expense, and would have to consult several legal gentlemen, and after introducing it, he would be told-on the second reading that it we, wrong ,in -its . details, and therefore 'it would be thrown out. If this resolution should' be passed by the House, it would give an impetus to public feeling on the subject. With respect to what had fallen from the lion. Member for Lambeth, respect the Dissenters, he - would state that he had not the slightest intention of reflecting on the Dissenters. He would not further trespass' on the House than to say that he gave the ,amendment his entire concurrence. ._ -Sir R. INGLIS said that as lie had taken considerable in terest in the Committee which was appointed to inquire into this subject, he trusted the House would indulge him for a few moments. He believed that the evils which were complained of- had arisen from the general neglect with which, throughout the Whole of the eighteenth century, the religious part of tha community of England were treated by the Government. The -remedy for these evils was to be found in the extension of the parochial system for the dead. A plan had been sug gested by the . Committee, which ,was that parishes Should be ' empowered by Act of Parliament to join in the ptirchase "of ground for the sepulture of the dead. The Hon. Member for Finsbury had said that the great difficulty they had to contend with was the Church. Now let not the House be' led away by the pleasing delusion, that all those who were the advocates of cemeteries at Kensal Green and at Norwood, or any other part of the circumference athis metropolis, were embued with a pure disinterested zeal to provide the cheapest place of sepulture for the poor inhabi• tants of the metropolis ; they. were interested in inducing steps to be taken for tha sepulture of the poor in the suburbs of the metropolis. .It must be recollected that, in this metro polis, in many cases, a large proportion of the income of the clergy depended on what were called the surplice fees. The maintetance of the ministers of religion, in the metro polis, was derived almost exclusively from the voluntary offer ings cf their congregations at Easter, and whatever fees were got for the burial-servite, marriages, and baptisms; and un less they could, by extending their parochial system according to the necessities of the case, so as to give places of sepulture to the ,people more consistent with public decency, and even health, there did not occur to him any other mode of remedy_ into the evil, which would not injure those whose maintenance depended on the present system. If that were so, it would be a poor consolation, if it were a consolation at all, that they encouraged joint-stock companies in seven or eight locali ties round the metropolis, while they injured the efficiency of the ministers of religion within the metropolis. All he desired was this, that if her Majesty's Government undertook the remedy (Wan evil which they all admitted was great, they _ would pay due regard to those interests which it was his humble desire to advocate in that House. By providing that many parishes should unite for the purpose of purchasing places of burial, and at the same time taking care of the interest of the incumbent in the metropolis, he thought they might succeed j in overcoming the difficulties which surrounded this subject. Sir G. GREY said he concurred with the Noble Lord op posite (Earl of Lincoln) in thinking that the proper mode of proceeding would be by Bill, and not by resolution, and also that it would be better to have any measure on this subject in troduced by some Member of the Government. The diffi culties which encumbered the subject had been ably stated— difficulties which induced him to think that a mea sure on the subject could not be introduced with any prospect of success, unless it were brought forward by a member of the Government. The question they had now to consider, he apprehended, was whether, after the facts which had come to light 'with respect to interments in the metropo lis and other large cities, it was not a subject well deserving of the consideration of the Legislature, and it seemed to be the 'opinion of the House that any measure on the subject should be brought forward by her Majesty's Government. But if her Majesty s Government were of opinion that the difficulties at tending it were so great that they declined to bring forward a measure, he then thought that it was the duty of the House to interfere, and even the very difficulties which attended it were, in his opinion, an additional reason why the House should in terfere.—( Hear, hear.) The subject was so important, and its evils were so pressing, that they would be forced to apply a remedy.__( Hear, hear.) Sir J. GRAHAM said he deprecated proceeding in this matter by resolution, because it would lead to great incon venience, and give rise to false impressions out of doors. It would be supposed that they were going to apply a remedy, whereas there was no particular remedy proposed. The Right Hon. Baronet (Sir G. Grey) said that Govern ment ought to turn its attention to the subject. Now he could assure the House, that he had bestowed the greatest possible attention upon it. He was the person who directed the atten tion of Mr. Chadwick to it ; but though the facts which that gentleman collected were of the greatest importance, he must say the remedy he suggested appeared to him (Sir J. Graham) to be inapplicable. The question, as it affected the clergy, which bad been stated by his Hon. Friend (Sir R. Inglis), was not the only difficulty. He did not think that that difficulty alone would be insuperable; but in this instance that difficulty was enhanced by others on the part of several Dissenting bodies. Several Dissenting chapels had burial grounds attached to them, not for the direct benefit of the miniater or the congregation, but in trust for the benefit of all who worshipped in the chapel, whether minister or congrega tion. And those were not the only considerations involved. There were besides peculiar interests and feelings on the part of the congregation, and even on the part of each member of the congregation. And if they made it compulsory upon those Dis senters and others that they should not bury their friends in their accustomed places of sepulture, but that they should be removedelsewhere, then the objection stated by his Noble Friend would arise. It was well-known that there was a natural wish `on the part of the friends of a deceased person to ac company his remains to their last home, - and, if they had to Lhe taken to a distance, his relatives would (in the ease of a poor man) be obliged to forego their days' wages ; and in winter they would be driven to the alternative of either walking four or five miles, or of procuring a means of conveyance at a great expense. But the great difficulty of all ,was the desire which was inherent in the human breast—a feeling upon which he could not reason, for it was stronger than reason—a feeling which he would not call prejudice, for it was connected with the best sentiments of human nature—the desire of a relative wishing to lay his bones by the side of his relative ; and however the feelings of the public might be roused upon the great evils of the present system he was satisfied that they would act most unwisely in legislating hurriedly upon it. It was attended by great dif ficulties, but he did not mean to say that they could not be got over by great care, caution, and consideration. He had given his best attetion to the subject, but he was not prepared with any measure at present. If, however, any other Member of the House t who had given his attention to the sub ject, was able to see his way more clearly through its difficulties, and was prepared with a remedy, he (Sir James Graham) would be glad, instead of carping at it, to give it every aid in his power. He could noeconeur in the abstract form of the resolution proposed by the Hon. Member for Finsbury, though it was an improvement upon that of his Hon. Friend. He would continue to give his attention to the subject; and from interviews which he had upon the subject with various Dis senting bodies, he was satisfied, though convinced of the great difficulties attending it, that any reasonable arrangement would be agreed to on their part. lie did not think that a little delay in a matter like the present would be thrown away. A case like the present was one in which first impressions were always strong, hut it was one also where the greatest deliberation was required. He would, therefore, advise the House not to pa-s a resolution like the present, which would only impede the object they all had in view.—( Hear, hear. ) Mr. MACK Ls NON having withdrawn his resolution, The House then divided, when there appeared-- For the amendment ... Against it ... Majority against the Government 17 Loud cheering followed the announcement of the numbers. l)r. BOWRING was afraid that the speed of the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Home Depart mentgave no hope to his Hon. Friend, who had intro duced the subject, that it would receive the favourable consideration of the Government. He thought it a dis grace to a country like England, that the example of foreign states had not been followed by it. In France, Spain, Germany, Denmark, and in the Oriental world, the cemeteries were removed from the inhabited places. Nothing could be more distressing than the manner in which the poor were interred in this great city. It was stated in the report of Mr. Chadwick-that Mr. Wild had stated that in many instances no less than from ten to fif teen funerals were appointed to take place at the same time. That, of course, the funerals took place in a hur ried manner, and that the poor constantly complained of this, and asked him the reason. As far as re garded the middle an d th e hi g h er c l asses. they were leaving the city and interring their departed friends in the cemeteries surrounding London. He believed the receipt of the fees for burials was the great, if not the only cause for the objection that had been made to the removal of burial-ge-;unds out of great c'ties.--(Hear.) .He could net concur with his Hon. Friend (Mr. Bernal) that the resolution of the Hon. Member for Lymingten was .exaggerated, because it was his firm belief that in the vast number of burials which took place in large towns;espeeially in London, the public health was sacri ficed and decorum violated. If th e Ri g ht H on . B arone t at the' head of th e Home Department would .take hand the fees,, and tell the clergy that they would lose 'nothing, the whole difficulty would be removed. Let. any person follow the poor man to his grave— (Hear, hear)—and see the dreadful receptacle that was prepared for his body.mingling with its rarent earth, and he would at (Nice exclaim that the•prop os itie n , of the Hon. Member for Lymington ought to be carried' eat. Let that .same individual go to Turkey and see the difference.there : The interment of the most menial AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS. ---- Mr. MILNER G IBSON brought forward his motion re garding agricultural statistics, of which he had given notice. He wished to ascertain the number of acres which were in the United Kingdom, and the amount of agricultural. produce which they yielded. The House and the public were in total ignorance on this subject, and last year its importance had been fully recognised, when he brought fore ard the subject. The Government then expressed its approval of the attempt he had made to obtain this information, and thy then l're sident of the Board of Trade said he would endeavour to ac complish the object. He would not now enter into the details of the measure, but simply submit to the House the resolu tion which he had introduced last year, with a view of eliciting from the Government what progress had been made in ful filling their promise. Scarcely a day passed, that state men t s of a most conflicti ng character were not made on this very subject ; and it was most essential to the public that ex act and authentic information should be obtained. The motion having been seconded, The SPEAKER put the resolution, which was, " That an humble address be presented to her_ Majesty, to the effect that it was the opinion of the House that it was desirable to obtain information regarding the amount of acres in cultiva tion in the United Kingdom—the amount of agricultural pro duce, with a specification of the various kinds, and such other • • -was respected,-and his body left to moulder in a paradise rather than in a charnel house.—(Hear, hear.) herd MAHON did net think the Right Hon. Baronet had exaggerated the difficulties of the subject, hut he certainly had underrated its importance.—(Hear, hear.) No question was mere essential to the health and well being i,f large towns.—(Hea , hear.) True, they had been Uhl that the Government had measures in view for improving the health of large towns by draining, ventila tion, supplying them with water, and so on; but that was nothing compared with the importance of the present question.—(Hear, hear.) Of what use, he`would was ventilation, when it carried with it an atmosphere; that contained pestilence and death? or what was the use of supplying those places with water, w h e n th a t ele ment contained all that was rank and noxious, ttrrEl inimical to human life? He could not follow his Right: Hon: Friend the Secretary of State for. the Mane De partment in the manner in which he treated so. lightly - the course pursued by foreign nations.—(ffear, hear ) .believed that there was no country' in Europe.' with the exception of England,' that' permitted" , interments in the hearty o f t h e i r capitals: On '• those grounds, then, he would say that th ere . was no ; , subject could come before, the Le g i s l a t ure that m'bre emphatically demanded the attention of the *Legislature and the public than this.— . (Hear, hear.) • But at -the same time he should say that he had very little. hope.of anx beneaciai result following public legislation upon: it, bee.i.use there were so many private • interest's Cog.: rimed with.those burying grounds that would be sure.' to interfere. However, if there should be legislation upon the subject, he would be very happy - to.give,aat assistance in hispower, for be did.think the subJeewas . one that demanded immediate attention ; but, at tliesaina. time he should say he could not agree in -the terms of - the resolution proposed • by Lis' Hononr- able Friend. When the Honourable Igensbt=i-- for. LyMington first mentioned this subject to him, ,tae told him he would always vote for any resolution declaring that interment within large towns Nast n"e4 conducive to the health of the inhabitants of.those tqWns, but at . the same time he was 'of opihion,- that any, legislative measure that should _be proposed on the sub 7 ject should be confined to the metropolis mad ,then, after a little time, extended to the country towns. But :he saw, by the resolution of his Hon. Friend, that he did 'not even mention large towns, he merely said towns, Mr. MACkINNON here interrupted the Noble: Lord;` 'and, as AvtunderStood, told him, that the resolutioti -contain the words " large: towns." . - Lord' MAHON—WeII; then; he had been mistaken i.trt.bat.:pe,rt4cular bat'still he could not concur in the tr s ecltitayn in w-('''ut iii,T.ppesent§ . ` - Rao, "Fibili.- at 04. kgat tip* , the;alWdy . s. , be= Ifitte 'to - urge upon. th Goyern ment ille--nectssttt . ftYr 'useful hilir eft - dicta - 141ga: ,tion_upen.the information as might enable the House to arrive at a correct estimate of the agricultural capabilities of the United Kingdom. Sir G. CLERK said he thought the Hon. Member brought forward the matter rather with the view of ascertaining what the Government had done on the subject than with any serious intention of taking the opinion of the House on the resolution itself, which it was impossible they could accede tn. He was ready to admit the great importance and the great benefit that would result from the attainment of accurate information on these points. The Right Hon. Gentleman the late Pre sident of the Board of Trade had promised to make an attempt. to obtain the, requisite details, and in pursuance of that promise had, during the recess, written to the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State for the Home Depart inent, who communicated with the Poor-law Commissioners on the subject, as it was thought the information might be fur nished by the various poor-law guardians throughout the king dom. The Poor-law Commissioners, in reply, stated that there were innumerable difficulties and objections to such a course, and that it would be found almost impossible to carry such a plan into operation. There was no objection on the part of the Government to lay before the House the letter which had been written by his Right Hon. Friend to the Poor law Commissioners on the subject, and their reply upon the subject. The substance of the reply of the Poor-law Commis sioners was, that they could not impose any duties on the poor law guardians throughout the country, except what were in some way connected with the poor-law system. He ( Sir G. Clerk) had no objection to give all the inormation on this subject in his power, but it must be obvious that unless the statistics obtained were full, comprehensive, entire, and accu rate, they would not be at all satisfactory. He was sorry he could not point out any satisfactory.ineans for overcoming them difficulties. He must again repeat that he was wiling to give every facility to obtain the information required, and that he considered it most important. He, however, hoped that, on the present occasion, the Hon. Gentleman would withdraw his Mr. T. 'DIYNCO3IBE said that in co m pli ance with the wish of :his . Hoot Friend , the Member for Lyntington, be progress. ' - -- . was about — tit propose au' amendment, which he trusted was, that the pr w o uld meet with the general con s ent of the House, at a ll ev ents he boPftl it would be supported by a ma j or i ty of the Hon. Friend, of the metropolis that HoUse. The amendment which he had to pr o p o . o , i n end large citiellts injurious to the health of the p o p u l at i on . and demands qre seri ous attention 1)f Parliam en t. Wh at . werc the obkiitions with w hich the q uestion had be en met? It had cot a p u l c ia e nce of w interments i the m en wts iswhitobfin his precincts been said - that bis Hon. Friend should at once have brought in a Bill. Why, his Hon. Friend had already tried that course, without, mops' , and he IriOW proposed to try a resolution. He (Mr. (DUn com b e ) had hat the pleasure of serving wi.h bis Hon. Friend on the Health of Towns Committee, and never was ti ete a stronger case mule out for legislative inter ference tha in that ComMittee. He represented that por tion 'of the! eetropolis in which great excit emen t at present existed wi 4 respect to the Spa- fi elds burying -ground. The Noble Lor Eid stated that to make any a lt erat i on i n t h e law on this abject would be to strike at the fe e li ngs o f th e poor of tlf cou ntry, asjilleyvvished to min g l e their bodes with these of eir ancestors. NAY, whit they complained of wiii.,.that theSt Could not de this: Th - rCason why in Objection w as raise t o i a ny alteration of the law µs,,that certain parties were r nis 4Ogiarge fortunes under the exist ing system. Enor mous fees H ere demanded for the removal of a corpse out of the motion. 11r. AGLIONBY thought the subject well worthy the at tention of the House. He supposed his Hon. Friend must withdraw his motion ; but he would be anxious to see these letters, and to ascertain what the gentlemen had said on the subject. The Right Hon. Gentleman had admitted the' im. portance of the information, but did not show'much anxiety to obtain it. They had applied to the Poor-law Commis siomers, it was true, but why had they not applied to the Tithe Commissioners, who could give the largest arrount of informa tion, and the most accurate.? There would be no oifficulty whatever in obtaining the requisite inforaution, if a real' anxiety were felt to procure it. For his part, he would under take, before that day week, to obtain a return of the number of acres cultivated in his parish, and the cmount of the various kinds of produce, and every Hon. Member could do the s;mc. Mr. CHRISTOPHER, as the representative of a largo agricultural community, must say a few words on this subject. Since last year he had made inquiries among the most intelli gent of his con tituents and found that there would be great tiifficulty in obtaining the requisite information. He.therefore saw very great difficulty in procuring any thing like. accurate information. He had commuiticated with very intelligent Persons. among-his own constituency, and they had all agreed that it was next to imp sale to give the information o a, to lead to the result which his Hon. Friend the Member for Man chester, evidently aimed at—lie meant the quality- of the i;ro duce of the country. It w be, he must acknowledge, a very desirable thing if this could he done, but he believed that perfect accuracy was next to impossible, and if the returns were not accurate they would be worse than useless. He did not wish to prevent these returns, but it was a weh known fact, that appearances were frequently deceptive,- and last year the crops bore every appearance of a huge yield, but it turned out that it was much lighter than was generally expected, and he believed that if five stacks were to be taken in rotation they would find that the grail pro duced would be at least one-eighth more this year than it was last. He believed that ;it was a general impression that persons speculatively engaged in the corn-trade could send Individuals throughout the country who from a mere inspec tion of the crops as they stood could arrive at some vague notion of the quantity of the produce. But that_was not suf ficient for the purpose of the motion of his Hon. Friend the Member for Manchester, and he himself • could not see in what way they could come at any satisfactory conclusion if he could render any assistance in arriving at that conclusion he would most readily do se, but as the matter stood he did not see the likelihood of any great utility from acceding to the motion. Mr. WARBURTON was glad to see such a concurrence of opinion in the importance of this question on both sides of the House. But he believed that the information would not be so diffi cult to obtain as some Gentlemen imagined ; and if the Govern ment really felt that the information was desirable, he believed that where there was a will there was a way. His Hon. Friend the Member for Cockermouth (Mr. Aglionby) had referred to the Tithe Commission. He believed that they would find no difficulty in getting the acreabte surface under cultivation ; and if they wished for the amount of produce they might apply to the registrar of births, deaths, and marriages--- (Great laughter.) Well, all he meant to observe was, that there was machinery already in existence; and if they objected to the returns of the Tithe Commutation Act, they might employ instead the officers engaged to make the ordnance survey. He believed that a saving would be effected and that some thing like 700,0001. or WO,OOO/. would be saved from the cost of the Poor-law Commissioners in the aggregate of parishes. An objection had been taken to any accurate survey of the country, because Hon. Gentlemen conceived that it might lead to a remodelling and an increase of the land-tax. Within the last four or five years repeated attempts had been made to obtain this survey, and Lard Sydenham especially had used every effort to obtain a Committee with a view to that object, but he had been beaten, and the matter remained still in abeyance. He was, however, glad to see that there was an alteration in the views of Hon. Gentlemen opposite, and that they were wiser than they had been. But he was only fearful that there was not the disposi titan for he must repeat that where there was a will there was a way. Mr. DAF,BY conceived that this discussion could not pos sibly lead to any useful end. It was true that the Tithe Com mission would give them the returns of all the acres under cultivation, but those returns contained no data to meet the requirements of the llonourable Member fur Manchester, for it was next to impossibility to get at the amount of agricul tural produce. 'I hey could not gunge the barns,_ nor ascertain the amount of stock in it s s everal c onditions. No Peiger than two years ago it was conceived that there was likely to be a very large crop ; the straw, it was true, was a very large crop, but when the grain came to be thrashed out of it, the yield proved to be exceedingly light. What he would ask the Hon. Gentleman then was, who was to furnish the information? If it were not accurate it would be mischievous, and he thought that any attempt t o ma k e it accurate would prove entirely futile. For these reasons he should oppose the proposition. Mr. BARING said that he was glad to see that such a sense of the importance of this question was on both sides of the House. He was aware that there was the utmost diMeulty in obtaining correct statistical information on agricultural topics. Lord Sydenham had used ever yexertion to obtain it, but he had failed. Yet to the extent to which the Hon. It'ember for Manchester desired the returns, he thought there would be no difficulty. He feared some corn-law reason for refusing the effort to obtain that information. What might be a bugbear at first, was frequently found easy of attainment afterwards, and if they began by making these returns from year to year, they would be able to get them more and more regularly. He was not sure whether he should have risen on that occasion, were it not to refer to the valuable statistical details presented by the Boa'd of Trade, and commonly called Mr. Porter's Statistics of Trade. He re gretted exceedingly that these returns were now two years behind-band, because the returns were of much service to the country, and would be still more so if they were regularly matte from year to year. Sir W. JOLLIFFE was convinced these statistics could not be attained without considerable difficulty, and even then he should be inclined to question their accuracy. The Ho. nourable Member for Bridport admitted that the surveys were fifty per cent. erroneous ; and if this statement were true it would be necessary to have another sur vey of the whole country before they could promise these statistics. Now if they had to wait for that cheque, th&Hon. Member for Manchester would have some time to waitbefore he could see the eroduce. Dr. BOW RING admitted any calculation could only be of an approximate character, but experience would bring them as near the truth as possible; and thus they - would form an important element for the information of the country. Mr. Porter furnished them with some valuable information upon nearly all ether topics connected with trade, and he could see no reason why they should not have correct returns of the produce of land. Mr. GLADSTONE said it would 'be imagined from the arguments indulged in by Hon. Members opposite that the Government lacked the will or the zeal necessary for obtain ing this information, but so far as he was concerned, he must altogether disclaim any such indifference. He thought the in formation was valuable to the public at large, but it was especially valuable to the agricultural community. There was, however, great difficulty in the way of obtaining it with any, degree of accuracy, for the farmer , had- not the same opportunities for making calculations as other trades and professions. So far from there being a disinclination on the part of the Government to adopt steps on this subject, he be lieved they had been examining every class of officers, who were in any degree, prima facie, capable of undertaking the inquiry,. but none could yet be found, to whom they could intrust so important and difficult a matter. One Hon. Member opposite recommended that the returns ought to be collected by the clergymen of the various parishes throughout the country, but, for his part, be thought they were sufficiently occupied in other matters without ' thrusting upon them other duties. Then, again, the Hon. Member for Cockermouth had advised the House to entrust the inquiry to the Tithe Commissioners, but, independently of their being also sufficiently occupied they had not pursued their operations into all the parishes of the country. Up to the present moment many parishes had not come into the views of the Commissioners, and with respect to those parishes the functions of the Commissioners had ceased.— ( Hear, hear.) They came to this discussion under very un avourable circumstances. He would recommend that the House should wait for full information, and he bad no doubt that it would be shown that there were great difficulties in the way of obtaining that information. There would be ex pense certainly. But he did not think that the use would grudge the expense. There was nothing inquisitorial in the inquiry, if they could, in the course of the spring, ascertain the breadths of land employed in the course of the year upon particular kinds of produce. The farmers had but little oppor tunity of stating what really affected them. He hoped, there fore, that when the House came to read the correspondence, they iconfd be disposed to give the statements on both sides their fullest eoniideration. Mr. HUME thought that with all the time the Commis sioners had been engaged upon this inquiry they could have given a full s'atement to th? House. The Commissioners of Tithe Inquiry had had plenty of time, and he would undertake to make a fuller report at no greater cost than 3,00 1. Whet the Reform Bill was in progress he (Mr. Hume) suggested the employment of the parish schoolmaster to do the duty of the re gistration. If the Government would oily take a lesson from the practice of the East India Government they would see how easily the proper returns would be made from local agents. In every district in Bombay the whole of the produce, twice a-year, was recet ded by an officer in each village. He holed the time was coming when we should have similar returns of the produce of every acre in the kingdom. It appeared , to him that they were making difficulties which did not exist.—(Hear, hear.) Colonel SIBTHORP said tat he would object as much to a man coming to discover the produce of his land as he would to one who came to Darn what was the quantity of wine his cellar contained.—(Laughter.) Nothing could be more absurd. Mr. VILLIERS thought that when the Gallant Member made that observation, he forgot the distinction between the produce of land and the contents of his cellar. Ile would tell him the difference—one was for food •for the public, and the other for his awn p r i va t e u se . H e di() not undertake to supply them with wine.—(Laughter.) What they wanted to know was, what was the amount of fond in the country, which infor mationhe did not think it ddficult to obtain ; but the Govern- went did not wish if to be known what the difference waa be- tween the supply and the demand. The Hon. Member for Lincoln stated that the tenants objected to the information, through fear there would be an immediate rise in the rent. They had given their sanction to persons being sent on the continent, to obtain information whereon to found their ar- rangements. He only mentioned that to show that they thought it possible to know and , to learn correctly what was the amount of the produce when it suited their purposes. Mr. DENISON did not think there was any unwillingness on the part of the Government to seek for this information. For one, he should be glad to see such returns produced, and considered that it could be accomplished and might be ob taMed by parties properly appointed. If the machinery were geed, be was sure that the results would be beneficial. He hoped that the Government would pay attention toast) sugges- - - • tines which were made. ' H al e d w it ou h l t d d , bee he s h i ad r. p lan. M no l t la p il ro E p ß ose G d i a ßS° competent bythe l op k in m io h n er o Gentleman th e SecretaryHonourabfoler be f f ot i . ‘l N t. e 'S w a a u rk nd to ire tl h e o m w os a t s been however,el authorityPriesenreotdno that t- h-thee subject.tho Home When the Department Right ohed Hon. h im f l u a r n n d i s h sowne d b y w t i h t h e wh ether it wou ld Government with regard te .n t de sirable to have correct statistical in f o rmation ' g n u the United Kingdom, he said barley, wheat, and oats, f an c Tit a y ti° o n f that there could not be a more imperativeduty f on f the od th e people were supplied Go vernment than to ascertain the quantity o w ith, and th a t he was surpr i sed that the Government bad not got such returns long before. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by recommending the House to appoint a Committee to inquire into the best mode of ascer taining the produce of the land. Sir ROBERT PEEL had not the slightest objection to the production of the information. As to the poor-law guardians, he doubted the policy of mixing up poor-law unions with_poli tical objects. He doubted the poli c y o f emp l oying Poor-law Com missioners to furnish the information required, considering it much better to have parties appointed for that purpose. He con sidered that the hest plan would be to have the correspondence before them, together- with The statements of the Poor-law Commissioners. He trusted the Hon. Member for Manchester would not' press the subject to a division, as he could assure him the Guyer nnient would be most happy to give all the assis tance to obtain the information. His Right Hon. Friend the la.e President of the :'Bottrd •of Trade while in office—('Hear, hear)tt-had dune all r- an -his power to obtain information. He thought the Executive-Govern moot would be better able to form a plan than a Committee ; but if it was Lund necessary, there could not be the slightest objection to that Committee. Mr. MAW. 0 thought it would be better if his Hon. Friend , hould wait till the papers had been produced. Mr. M. GIBSON then withdrew the motion. On the motion of Dr.. BOW RING the following Members wore appointed in Committee on colonial accounts:—Dr. . Bowring, Mr. Hope, Mr. Spooner, Mr. Trotter, Mr. 111•Gttachy, Sir Thomas Hepburn, Mr. H. J. Mr. Gtogan, Me- Pringle, Mr Forster, Mr. Cobden, Mr. Bouverie, Mr. Aldam,-• Mr. Hume, and Mr. P. M. Stewart. 'I he Customs Duties 'was reporied, the Bill ordered- to be engrossed, and read a third t4me to-morrow. The Public Museums- Bill was•reported, and oschTed , to be read a third time to-morrow. The Glass Excise Dirties Bill IS as reported, and ordered to be rfacla third time to•morrow. Tho Mutiny Bill and the Marine Mutiny Bill severally wet through a Committee, and the reports were ordered to be ceived to-morrow. Mr. CARDWELL brought in the Sugar Excise Defies Bill, which was read a first time, and ordered to be read a se. coral time to-marrow. The House adjourned at Twelve o'clock. • PA.R,LIAMEN TA AV ISI NS (Froni.the rotes and Proceediags of the Haw of Comrrwm.i TUESDAY, APRIL 8. PosT-oFFicE. Notion made, find Question put, " That leave be given to brbsgla a Bid to secure the invi,labllity of Letters passed throagh the Yost °Mee." The lluu. a divided : MINORITY—AYES, 78. Aglionby, 11. A. Ellice, Edward . Pechell, Captain Aldam, William Elphinstone, H. Iluniridge, Captain Bellew, R. M. Forster, Matthew Ponsonhy, C. F. A. Berkeley, Craven Guest, Sir J. Prot4troe, Edwabi Ittrual, Ralph Ilanmer, Sir J. Rice, E. It. Blewitt, R. J. Hawes, Benjamin Ross, 1). R. Borthwicl, Peter Heron, Sir R. Bathe/11W, A. Ilouverie, E. I'. - llobliouse, Sir J. Shell, R. L. Bowes, John Howard, C. W. Sheridan, R. B. Brotherton, Joseph liowick, Viscount Somerville, Sir W. Browne, IV. riumphery, .Uderman Strickland, Sir (). Buller, Charles Hutt, William Strati, Edward Busleild, William Macaulay, T. B. Tancred, H. W: Butler, Colonel 31angles,-,R. D. Thornely,'Tliontaa Byng, G. S. 31anuers, Lord-J. Trelawiay, J. S. Chapman, B. Marjoribanks, S. Tenth, Henri Christie, W. 1). Marsland, Henry Villlers, - "Chs.fles Collett, John Martin, John Wall, C. 'B. Cartels, 11. B. Mitcalle, Henry Warburton,' Henry 1 1)alineny, Lord Mitchell, T. A. Wairn;JOlia T. I)ennistotin, J. Morris, David Williame, William Divett, Edw,rd Murray, Alexander Worsley, Lord Drax, J. S. W. S. E. Napier, Sir C. Yorks, H. it. - Duncan, Viscount O'Conor, Don Duncan. George Paget, Colonel TELLXIS. Dundas, Admiral Parker, John Danoombe, Thomas Ebritigtn, Viscount Paulson, Jame.s Hume, Joseph MAJORITY—NOES, 161: Ackers, James Eaton, lt. J. Long; Walter Acland, Sir T. D. ' Egerton, W. T. Lowther, Sir J. U. Acland, T. D. Egerton, Sir P. Lyall, George Acton, Colonel . Emlyn, Viscount Lygon, General • Adare Viscount Escott, Bickhatn Mackenzie, T. Arbuthnott, H. Estcourt, T. G. Mackenzie, W. F Arkwright, Geniis Fell Owes, Edward Mackinnon ' W. J. W Bagot, illiam Fitzroy, 'Henry M`Geacky, F. A. Bailey, J., jun.; Flolliott, John Masterman, 'John Baillie, 11. J.' Forbes, Wlllianz Mildmav ,L 1 St. 4ein . . ......• -Baird, Baldwin, Barry Baukes, George Baring, F. 'f. Baring, Thomas Baring, W. B. Baskerville, T. B. Bateson, Thomas Benbow, John Bentinek, Lord G. Bereslord, Major Blackburne, J. 1. Blackstone, W. S. Boldero, IL G. Beriah • Bowles, Admiral Wise°, 31. Bruce, Lord E. Buller, Sir J. Y. Campbell, Sir H. Cardwell, Edward Carew, W. H. P. Christopher, 11. A. Chute, W. L. W. Clerk, Sir George Clive, Robert 11. Cockburn, air G. Cedrington. Sir W. Curry, Ileiuy Courtenay, Lord Cripps, William Darner, Colonel Darby,.George Deedes, William Denison, E. B. Dickinson, F. H. Douglas, Sir 11. Douglas, Sir C. Douro, Marquis Drummond, 11. H. Duff, James Dunconkbe, A. Duncombe, 0. 1)❑ Pre, C. G. East, Forman, g. S. Fremantle, Sir T. Fuller, A. E. Gaskell, Gladstone, Captain Gordon, Captain Con!, Montague Gore, W. It. Gore, W. K. 0. Goring, Charles Graham, Sir J. Greene, T. Grhnston, Viscount Grogan, Edward Hale, It. B. Hamilton, G. A. Hamilton, W. J. liami.ton, Lord C. Harcourt, G. G. Harris, Captain Haves, Sir Edmund Henley, J. W. Hepburn, Sir T. B. Herbert, Sidney Hope, Charles Hope, Alexander Hope, G. W. llouldsworth, T. Howard, I'. 11. Ingestric, Viscount Irton, Samuel Jermyn, Earl Jocelyn, Viscount Johnstone, Sir J. Jonitre, Sir W. Jones, Ca p tain Knight, F. W. Lambton, H. Lawson, Andrew Letroy, Anthony Legh, G. C. Lennox, Lord A. Liddell, 11. T. Lincoln, Earl Lockhart, W. Morgan, iictavina Mundy, E. M. Newry, Viscount Norreys, Lard O'Brien, A. S. Palmerston, Viscount Patten. J. W. Peel, Sir U. Peel,,Jonathan Pennant, Colonel Pluinptre,J.:P4 Polhill, Frederick. I'ollington, Viscount I'raed, W. T. Pringle, Alexander Reid, Sir John Repton, G. W. J. Round, John Rous, Captain Sandon, Viscount Shelburne, Earl Sibthorp, Colonel Smith, T. B. C. Somerset, Lord CL Somes, Joseph Sotheron, T. 11. bpowiar, Richard Stewart, John Stuart, henry Sutton, Henry Tennent, J. E. Thesiger, Sir F. Tollemache, F. J. Tollemache, John Trench, Sir F. W. Trevor, G. H. Tyrrell, Sir J. T. Verner, Colonel Villiers, Viscount Wellesley, Lord C. Wortley, John S. TSLLERS, Young, John Baring, Henry lIEALTIL 01 TOWNS. Motion made, and Question put, " That the practice of Interment within the precincts of the Metropolis and of large Cities is injurious to the health of the population, and demands the serious attention of Parliament." The House divided : MAJORITY—AYES, 66. Ackers, James Ebrington, Viscount 3falion. Viscount Acland, Sir T. 1). Escott, Ilickham Manners, Lordi. Aglionby, 11. A. Estimate, Sir T. Marton, George Aldan], William Flower, Sir J. Mltcalfe, Henry Armstrong, Sir A. Forster, ]llatthew Morris, I)arld BuiHie, li. J. French, F. 3iuntz, G. F. Bernal, Ralph Gibson, T. M. O'Brien, A. S. Borth wick, Peter Gisborne, Thomas Figot, David Ilowring, Dr. Grey. Sir George Plamridge, Captain Brotherton, J. Hamilton,, , W. J. Protheroe, Edward Browne, W. Hatton, Captain Ricardo, J. L. Busteild, William Heathcoat, John Rice, E. R. Carew, W. ii. I'. Heron, Sir Robert Somerville, 81r W. Cavenuish, G. H. Intl, Lord M. Staunton, Sir G. Chute, W. L. Horsman. Edward Strickland, Sir G. Cobden, Richard Howard, Henry Tancred, H. W. Craig, W. G. Howard, Sir it. Trelawny, J. S. Grippe, William Bowick, Viscount Villiers, Charles Curteis, H. 13. llume,•Joseph Wawa. J. T. Dalrymple, Captain Inglis, Sir It H. Yorke, Henry R. Dodd, George Jollitre, Sir W. TELLERS. Duke, Sir J. Lambton, 11. Mackinnon, W. J. Duncan, George 31'Gcachy, F. A. Duncombe, T. MINORITY-NOES, 49. Arkwright, George Fremantle, Sir T. Plumptre, J. P. Baillie, Colonel Fuller. A. E. Pringle. Alexander Baring. W. B. Gaakell, J. •M. Smith, T. B. C. Bernard, Viscount Gladstone,'W. E. Somerset, Lord G. Blackburne, .1. I. Graham, tilt J. Stuart, Henry . , Boldero, IL 0. Greenall, Peter Sutton, H. N. Bowles, Admiral Greene, Thomas Tennent, J. E. Bruce, Lord E. Grimston, V scount Theaiger, Sir F. Buckley, Edmund Harris, Captain Thornely-, Thomas Buller, Sir J. V. Henley, J. W. Trench, Sir F. W. Cardwell, Edward Herbert, Sidney Villiers, Viscount Christopher, R. A. I lope, 0. W. Warburton, H. Glerk, sir G. Jemlyn, Earl Wellesley, Lord C. Clive, R H. Lincoln, Earl Corky, Henry Neville; Ralph TELLIES. Darby, George Patten, J.,IV. Young, John Denison, E. B. ' Peel, Jonathan Lennox; Lord A. Fitzroy Henry Pennant, Colonel MONEY MARKET and CITY NEWS. IRON THE MORNING PAPERS Or THIS DAY. OTT, TUESDAY Erimaca. TlMES.—The.prebaium on gold at Paris is 17i per mills, which, at the English Mint price of 3/. 17s. 100 d. per ounce for standard gold, gives an exchange of 25 59" t• and the exchange at Paris on London at short being 25 77i,itfollowa that gold is 0.73 per cent. dearer in London than in Paris. By advices from Hamburgh, the price of gold is 436 k per mark, which, at the English Mint price of 31. 17s. 10bd. per ounce for standard gold, gives an exchange of 13 IN ; and the exchange at Hamburgh on London at short being 13 it follows that gold is 0.40 per cent. dearer in London than in Hamburgh. The speech of Lord Brougham last night on the subject of railway speculation completely echoes the warnings that have been given under this head since the commencement of the mania. That a reaction must come, and at no very dis tant period, is, we believe, the opinion of every intelligent person on the Stock-Exchange, the only question being how they realise larger. profits, are uneasy in the midst ot long the present state of things can endure. The jobbers, who from a period.of comparative inactivity that almost threatened annihilation to their business, have come to another, in which prosperity, so fully are they convinced of its temporary character. The present speculation, it has been obserred, differs in its aspect from all that have preceded it. The bubbles of 1825 had, for the most part, such an appearance of instability that reflecting persons could soon discern that they were mere bubbles and nothing more, but the present' schemes are all brought forward with an aspect of public usefulness, and of possessing a sound basis that renders them the more alluring, while the interest which the Legislature takes in the various projects gives a sort. of sanction to speculation. The direction of money into this one channel has served to keep up the prices of the various shares, and as long as no diversion takes place, the present state of things will probably be maintained. The discovery of a new and more profitable employment of money by the capitalists whose advances keep speculation afloat, v, ould be the tirst cause, it is thought, of that change which, sooner or later, must arrive. One fact stated by Lord Brougham is well worthy of repe tition under this head, as more likely, perhaps, to reach the class fur whose benefit it was intended : " A respectable clergyman in a northern parikh, having saved about 5,000/. for his family, sent it up to a friend in town, with peremptory instructions to buy railway shares, as he was determined to treble or quadruple his fortune; and another person, who had accumulated about 2,8001., sent it to be laid out in these shares, but added, that as it was-li small sum, his agent had better borrow 3,000/. more for him, and not be nice about the terms of the loan, and lay the whole out in railway shares." SUN.—The value of Consols has been 991 4 for Money and Account, and they closed flatly. New Three-and-a-Quar ter per Cents. were 1013 ; and the Three per Cents., 984, ; Bank Stock was 212. The Foreign Bonds were steady. Spanish Five per Cent. were 30% );; Mexican Deferred,l6% s ; Colombian 15 3 4 ; Venezuela, 464 to !,-' 2 ; and Belgian lour-and-a -Half iez Cents., 10114. The e e E ccos e i h n agn p g r e i s ce o s i ;:l i t:il c iv o g il Z a re i s l e v i i t l i l es be w f e o r u e nd ge b n e aal low. ly officialo f l O e r turn the s- w o e f ek th e e 4d e rn i r .4.l af arm b 4 l ay t. lower a_gain this a ft ernoon. The fr e o ro m llo th w e in p g ort is t o h f e Loi lion last :-- Silver Coin to Cape de ..... 3,000 oz. Sydney 510,000 DEATNES i S n — t ACOUSTIC • INSTRIMENTS.-39, Alhe mwharelne-fisxtrede4 phi e cc c a a d v i i l t l y y. o — f t l h n e vi e s a ib r l s e , ar V e o n ic o e t m C o o re ' nd u u n c com tort fortable nor perceptible than having a small piece of wool in its , place. They enable individuals at an sd swiped age, and of forty or fifty years' standing of eX treme deafness, instantly to join in general conversatiZns and to catch the sound of a- distant, low speaker, at church, theatre, tee. They pour the conversation into the ears to such an extent, that in most severe case* deafness cannot be observed. Also original Ear Cor nets, French, Gerthan, and Spanish Artificial Ears, and improved Hearing Trumpets of every description:- Many of those instruments have received the approbation of the Royal Society and 'Royal Institution of Great Bri tain. The Newly Invented Spectacles, immediately they .are placed before extremely imperfect vision, it brought to its youthful, natural, and original state. Also Achromatic 'Telescopes, Opera-glasses, Micro scopes., &c.—CautiOn : Messrs, S. and B. Solomons, Jpticians and Auristi, ere not in any way connected with ) person of the same name in their immediate neigh• lourhood; nor in any , part of the country. • To prevent nistakes, be cautious, and observe—Only to be had 39. Albemarle-street, Piccadilly, opposite. the Yorkllotel : [ADVERTISEMENT.]—CURE qF A CrA.SE -OF LIMP OESTIO.N; WITH CONSTIPATION OF THE, BOWELS, BY HOLLOWAY'S PILLS !—Extract of a letter from G. Bass ter, Esq., author 'of "The Book of the Beadles," &d o' dated the Bryan, Newtown, Montgomeryshire, the 13th March, 1845 :—" To Professor Holloway. Sir, I con sider it my duty 'to inform yol, that a few boxes of yoar Pills, which I purchased of Mr. Morris, druggist, of • Newtown, have cured me oreonstantin 4 igestion iastd constioltiun •of the bowels, which application t literary pursuits had long entailed upon ins. I should strongly recommend authors and studiously displsed persons generally to use ~your valuable .Pjlls,s(Signed) G. R. W. Baxter." 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