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ENG EDITION were absurd, and that an admission of them should , be opposed. He thought the promotion of the case un !i warrantable, and unless the issue were mismanaged the plaintiff must be dismissed with full costs. That was Dr. 1 Addams's opinion, but the result did not verify it. He should have occasion to refer to the competency and disinterestedness of the Judge of that Court, be fore which th e p said, "petitioner h a d b een c i te d . D r. H aggar d In his opinion the a r ti c l es were not prove d, an d _,that on th e evidence • the defend a nt was ent i t l e d t o hi s c u u i s l a m t i e s t s l a t l ' o (Hear, he• aanssdistthe proceeding altogether was little cal ; the question of diocesian jurisdiction." (Hear. er _ ~ er.) Yet, in . the face of these authorities, ‘Z,,.P "eedin g he had detailed was persevered in, and . it --- no credit to a Reform Government, to permit Minor !e4eee'esiasical Courts to have so long exerted such a o t l t e h m e r a ac an case, distinguished 4wer•--(Hear, hear.) Now, be would refer , l to o. a eri n - - t ei a b g ic a ll s th e e d s k a i m m e se m lf. ee A k grid charitable farmer,'b named James, the occupier of 200 acres of land—a re spectable Dissenter, was appointed parish Churchwarden for Lanelly, of which Mr. Morris was also Vicar. Mr. James was chosen almost by compulsion—he was not of " ar e of his electio n . H owever, i n t h e di sc h arge his duties, he les ne perform e d some serv i ces t o t h e cou ntry ; but ' , in e l lection o 18, Mr. J ames voted for th the genera Liberal e candidate f (Sir 37 J. %Warn). who h a d b een formerly a Member of the Hou se, and t h e Vicar voted for the Tory candidate. Soon after Mr. James was cited by the Vicar, who knew that he had been elected without his knowledge, and that he was a Dissenter before the Bishop of St. Dav id's, on the charge of having absented himself from church on several Sundays.---( Hear, hear.) He was condemned in costs, and as he could not pay, he was committed to gaol for contempt.—( Hear, hear.) He , 14 . r• H.) r ea ll y thought it was most harsh and disgrace .l the law should be strained in such a manner ; true Mr. James had not petitioned; but he (Mr. H.) bad ref er to a case of hardship,although the sufferer " a d not complained of it.—(Hear, bear.) But who was the e e J udge of th e C ourt ? it was the Rev. Dr. Williams, Rural De an and Surrogate, and the holder of another ace, which, th ough perhaps not very profitable, had at least a material bearing on this case. Hewes the Editor of the T ory Carm art h en Journal.---(Hear, and laughter.) So both the prosecutor and Judge were opposed in poli ties to the defendant, and they were both clergymen— men who could not be supposed to be competent either b y experience or information to administer the law. He would remind the House that in 1812 Lord Colchester, no w Earl Radnor, brought the jurisdiction of the Eccle slaw.Al i Courts' , before the House, on a petition not un like that he had referred to. The facts were these : - 1 1 the course of a quarrel between two women one ap plied to the other an epithet for which she was cited n b efore the Ecclesiastical Court, and ordered to do pe atee, whi c h h aving failed to do she was excommuni befed ; sh e was then prosecuted, and upon a process or e the Court of Queen's Bench she was arrested and detained two yews in Bristol altho gaol for 301. costs, then ugh she was a pauper. He thought such cases as e went far to prove that the alliance between Church and State was prejudicial to the Church.— (Hear, hear.) As for David Jones, he asked nei ther for h e l p th e es nor for money for himself, but that Proms&Louse might adopt some course to prevent others uffering in a like manner.—(Hear.) He would refer to the Report of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners ap- Pointed in 1 830, and amongst whom were the Arch- Isiah i s ° P of Canterbury, for corroboration of some views •,!. had expressed asititi the nuisance of some of the Miner Ecclesiastical Courts. Only one measure recom tmended by that Commission had been carried out—that as by the removal of the power of the Delegates to the ' rivY Council. There were altogether about 300 thCourts Peculiar and Alinorial, which :extended from e Archbi s h op down to the Vicar—some including in eir jurisdiction large districts, others single towns, and others several in distant places. The jurisdiction of those Courts ought to be altogether abolished or ex itensively modified ; at present it was exceedingly ob re and difficult to b e d e fi ne d , and it was a disgrace the law and the Government that their cruel and capricious power should be permitted to exist. He must also add, that i n 1812, w h en this case was brought before the House, upon petitionin g upon a simi lar case to that which he had stated, the views then taken were supported by Sir Samuel Romilly and other gentle men. and in the end, Sir William Scott, afterwards Lord Stowell, brought in a Bill which passed the House of Commons for the purpose of putting the Inferior Ec clesiastical Courts immediately under the higher provin cial Courts. He regretted exceedingly that clergymen sho u ld b e permitted to have anything to do with the ad ministration of the law ; but lie regretted it the more when they had the opportunity of doing it without ade quate publicity; because if sufficient publicity were given there would be some chance of the gross injustice he had mentioned not being perpetrated. Ha did not wish to take up the time of the House unnecessarily in is case of this kind, but he thought it of great importance to do so when he saw the clergy everywhere acting as po - Weal partizans—(Cheers) —and when lie saw them act in; as Jud ges i n t h ese C ourts which placed them in a Condition perpetually to violate the rights of conscience. (Cheers.) When he saw Courts of Justice appropri ated to such unjustifiable objects, he must say that if any hothing more than another called for inquiry it was such a eof things. What better claim could that House r e for the confidenc e o f the people than in correcting 1, 4 ,1 4 , More especially abuses of the nature to which he th ,' referred. In putting an end to such a state of ,'ngs the House was more entitled to the pr iise of the ,i u . NrY than in occupying six nights in a debate, the ilt,_ision upon which was previously known.—(Hear.) tease y consolation he had with respect to that debate l• , t o find that on it the Government were fighting or th e ilia n ot people.. from Sir C. B urre ll.) H e p ot wonder th at the subject was unpalatable to the t xpre:ss ten• M em b er for Shoreham—(Cheers)— but he was his own o pi n i on i n t h e di sc h arge of en im rieriat Iv ins e anty• H e wou ld put t h e mot i on of wh i ch he w;l'' given notice t o t h e consideration of the House, 10 he sees sure, by the course it would .4) Pt, w ou l d Ple, that h give an earnest to the peo- were cases of oion w ere b rought befoic it, the House of gross Commons ppress would r:At be backward in doing its duty.—(Great cheering.) elation :--" le Holt. Member concluded by moiing the following itni England and Wales, . ati_o n of the That, in conformity with the recommen- Commissioners on Ecclesiastical Courts this House is of opinion that sheie jurisdiction of till ' the Inferior Ecclesiastical Courts uld be abolished without delay:' Mr. W. 0. STA NLEY seconded the moti o n. If any Hon. part of the sta tements which had been ma d e by the Member f or Lambeth were questioned, he had the proofs of their correctness in his possession. He would put it to those who had regard for the Church A hi y wheth er that power eheuld not b e a b o li s h e d wc say Whether that power sh,uld not be abolished which was tyrannically ( xercised. He hoped the House wo uld use it s utmost endeavours to purge the Church fro m a b use. Mr. PRYME trusted the Hon. Member for Lam beth 'would a little modify his motion, for as it stood at present he could not assent to it. Admitting the ease of hardship and grievance to be made out, he must contend, that making out a case of improper conduct in the Judge of a Court, or the exercise of an improper power by that Judge, was not a sufficient cause for abolishin g the Co•art in which that Judge pre sided, because there might be cases'in which the Court might exercise a jurisdi c ti on t h at would be beneficial. —(Cri - o f nl ) He thought it be better es —.). would let the resolution be " abolished" or modified. Mr. JONES did not think the Honourable Mem ber for Lambeth had acted with hi s usua l c ourtesy to him inbringing case of Jame s . The forward thi s t s ubject, f or he had suppressed the non. M em b er was surrounded by a phalanx of hi s fri en d s ; whether they came there by the wish of the lon.H M em b er h e wou ld no t sa y, b u t he felt it due to Morris to say that he had not on his behalf asked a . ear.) With re single f r i en d o f h i s to attend.—(Hear, h s Pect to t h e reso l u ti on o f th e Hon.r h ' Member, and weak b ound t o say that it was based on a narrow and foundation. Supposing Ecclesiastical Courts - abolished 10 W a l es, how, he wou ld ask, were the wills of Persons Pro to 'the expense of residing in that part of the country tobe wed ? Were parties to be put er s t • • n had been made caatoing ghat to the metropolis ? This was not the th time that a Welch clergy published in _ e.subject of attacks, or Bishops' Courts, for lie had Accidental' up a book last night, . . . l e „, . y picked fiddles, %sot, which was called ‘• The Welch Levite tossed in 4 131 k e; an e t"--(Laughter)—in which organs, deemed abomi ere .et;-14,ebread, and Bishops' Courts Member ard in trßle---(Laughter.) The H:n. had referred sup- Port the opinions of Doctors Addams and Ha hsreilrltly would now on of his proposition, but he hid not stated the case it' which those opinions were given. He , and state what the real facts of the case were, • saia c o elgged to state that every word he made use of lie "itt prov e at the bar of that House. It hadbeen - e on. Member, that although • • h w Y 4 w as h H Mr David Jones asked Poor man, be asked for no relief—all that lie 'r id was the abolition of these Courts. Now, if he lief•• ones 's petition rightly, he asked s ead Mr J ' • • what a s the House thought meet—the truth was, that ril,;. Mr. Jones wanted was a good round sum of tha ?7, and to be taken out of prison. Mr. Jones stated posi‘. h e was a Dissenter. The Right Hon. Civilian op ', le would tell the House that Dissenters were dis rens e • the.. e ; vyttli from serving the office of churchwarden, if 8. far elannei it under the statute of William 111. Now tutl I e be reserved from the office of churchwarden, he Morris glad to accept it. It had been said that Mr. e ett „' s , Was a wealthy clergymen and a pluralist—he und yed was passing rich, for he held a living of two Canned e Pounds a year in one of the largest parishes in Sund a h en , where he preached four sermons every wh Y (two in Welsh and two in English), and the ve ..",te amount of the other income which he had ad i_Led to he gave to his curate. So much for Mr. David Jon being the wealthy man.—(Cheers.) After Mr. not purreparreeached ruitold Jones had been elected churchwarden a Mr. Morris that he would tabl e , the bread and wine for the Sacramental io t h . ° lo w what was the duty of the churchwarden ....._ 4t respect ? Why, by the 85th Canon church. wardens were to prepare all things in the Church, and by the 25th Canon he was at the charge of the parish and under the dire , :tion of the Minister, to find bread and wine for communicants. He might be told that those Canons were not part of the statutes. In an swer to that he begged to state that by the statute of Elizabeth that what was contained in the Rubric was made part and parcel of the law of the land. There were plenty of arrears in the hands of the parishiOners which they were ready to pay, so that there was no ex cuse for his not providing the bread and wine. Mr. Morris finding that he was likely to be interrupted in the service, provided the bread and wine himself. The following month he sent him a written notice, but in stead of paying any attention to it, Mr. David Jones went to an alehouse near the Church, and used the most blasphemous and disgusting language with respect to the element used in the Communion service. Finding that no attention was paid to the notice, Mr. Morris, he ad mitted, certainly did cite him to the Ecclesiastical Court, but with an intimation that if he appeared and promised to conduct himself better in iutu-e, no costs would be required from him. Instead of that he fought the battle in the Court in every way he could, and he now stated that he was imprisoned for 801. costs. But the fact was the costs were not quite 301., and when the Hon. Member for Lambeth found his protege wrong in one instance, he might find him equally wrong in other cases. Now it had been also stated that the Judge who presided was a Clergyman, and the Editor of a Carmarthen Tory Journal. Whoever gave the Hon. Member that information, he would tell him to his face it was false, and the party giving it probably knew at the time it was false. He thought he had now sufficiently vindicated the course pursued by Mr. Morris, and that the House would pardon him for having trespassed so long upon its time, but he would repeat that a better or more upright man than the gentleman assailed, he never knew, and he was satisfied the House would not find fault with hinti for the course he had taken.—(Hear, hear.) After a few words from Mr. 0. STANLEY in ex planation, Mr. W. ELLIS begged to say one word, as his con stituents were deeply interested in the question before the House. He believed they would best consult the interests of the Church and the feelings of the commu nity at large, by abolishing the obnoxious impost of Church-rates.—(Hear, hear.) Lord DUNGANNON thought there never was a more convincing proof of the truth of the old adage aurli ulleram parlem, than the case brought forward by the Hon. Member for Lambeth. It had filled him with indignation and disgust to hear these unfounded and unjustifiable charges brought against a clergyman who had endured much before he had proceeded to extremities. It appeared, according to the statement of his Hon. Friend, that David Jones was a willing martyr in the cause, and therefore he had no right now to complain of the consequences. He had deliberately , taken an oath with the premeditated intention of vio lating it. The charge brought against Mr. Morris was a very serious one, and should not have been made upon light grounds. The clergy were certainly not generally the political friends of Hon. Gentlemen opposite, still he did not think they treated them fairly, for if they pos snsed any politica ence, it arose from the respect their flocks bore the He had the influence of every dignitary and clergyman of the city he had the honour to represent, still he would defy any one of his consti tuents to say that one of them had used any undue in fluence. If there was an indecency it was on the part of that man who took an oath to perform duties of which he was perfectly aware, and with the full determination of not performing them, but ridiculing them obscenely in the tap-room of a public house. Dr. LUSHINGTON said, in consequence of the appeal that had been made to him from both sides of the House he would beg the attention of the House, while he said a few words upon the subject, and he trusted that he would be enabled to do so with more candor, with less acrimony, and in better spirit of cha rity than the Noble Lord who had just sat down— (Cheers)—who had sneered most unbecomingly at Ca tholes, at all Dissenters of every kind and degree—in fact at all persons who dared to think differently from himself.—(Cheers.) He had the honour of sitting on the Ecclesiastical Commission, with the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Bishop of London, and the late Bishop of Durham, and the Commission bad unanimously re commended the abolition of all proceedings which were for the benefit of the soul's health, as it was called.— (Hear, hear.) These proceedings were essentially cr Th imeinaen oughjl e, execution, and ought t o h ave b een a b o li s h e d ac cording t o th e recommendations of the Commissioners. H e adthe rep or t o f t h e Commission been carried into speedy ohfatvheeCommons t escapedl]ey thatowu l a d s dt to s a e c a n ' have confine been ifionne. 7t c fortunate r he tu j eu n rr a si t .s e )b_ diction o f t h e E cclesiastical Courts s 36 to o the subjects of a Marria ge an d Wil ls. There wereCourtsthe in tl o r t e country exerc i s i ng var i ous jurisdictions mission p ro p ose d to a b olish at once the 'd wi n la e " h co he single e xcept i on of the Prerogative Court .n, with t of Canter. bury, whi c h h e cou ld assure his Hon. Friend the Mem ber for Cambridge would not cost the country one sin gle sixpence. The Report was made in 183% and though a Bill founded upon it had been yearly introduced since that period, still in consequence of the opposition it met with nothing had been done. In 1837 it was introduced into the House of Lords—they sent it to the Select Committee, which after sitting ten reeks made a report recommending certain alterations. The Bill was in that state now, and the Government would hare introduced it in the present Session, only they Lad the Clergy Discipline Bill, which they were anxious to pass first. He was assured that as soon as that Bill was in such a stage as led to the probability of its passing-, the other Bill would be at once introduced. He would row proceed to the case of David Jones, and he would take the facts as they were represented on both sides of the House, and without fear or favour he would state his opinion according to the law. It appeared that David Jones had been chosen Churchwarden, and true it was that that officer was allowed to appoint a de puts. It was most true, that no Dissenter could be obliged to serve that cffice. He took the office, and he was bound to serve it, but he (Dr. L.) could not say, nor did he thick that any one cauld with propriety or decency say, that Le took the oath of office with the in• tention of breaking it.—(Cheers.) He was called upon to provide the sacred elements. He was bound to do so if he had the funds in his hands:; he was bound to do so—nay, he was bound to do more, he was beim(' and ask fcr a rate ; and if it were t o granted, calla es h v ea t v r a y ; obliged to collect it. The Noble Lord was correct. If there were any arrears he was bound to collect them, and provide the elements. He had read all the proceedings, and be concurred in all that had fallen from Drs. Addam r and Haggard, but upon ___ the face of the proceedings there was r.o charge The quarterly meeting of the Middlesex Magistrates at all. If the proceedings had been brought was held yesterday, at the Clerkenwell Session House. in any of the Superior Courts before Sir H. Jenner Mr. Sergeant ADAMS in the Chair. There was a very they aould not have stood a moment—(Cheers)—the numerous attendance of Magistrates. instant they had been presented they would have been Mr. Hume, M:P., took the oaths. reject, d. Those Ecclesiastical Courts were armed HANWEI.L LUNATIC ASYLUM. with very great powers, and they were administered by The minutes of th e sth, 7 t h, an d 25 t h o f F e b ruary Clergymen who knew nothing of the law, and who did having been read, not know whether the proceedings were consistent with The CHAIRMAN stated that a letter had been re law or not.—( Hear.) He had seen many of the coup- ceived from Mr. Buzzard, the Vestry-Clerk of the pa try Court s w hi c h were altogether unsatisfactory. He rich of St. James's, stating that that Vestry had passed acceded to the resolution of his Hon. Friend.--(Cheers.) the following resolution— He would hat e done so had he even thought .the Rev. " That a communication be forthwith transmitted to the E. Morris had been regular and justified by those pro- Clerk of the Peace, to be laid before the Magistrates of cceding s . The Rev. Gentleman spoke of the indecent Middlesex on the next county day, expressive of the entire conduct of the Churchwardens, but nothing of that kind want of confidence which this Board feels in the present appeared on the face of the proceedings„ From Visiting Justices cf the County Lunatic Asylum at Han. these Cou r t s t h ere was no appeal ; there well, arising from the fallacious statements put forth by was no wr i t of error, and he ardently them in their offici a l r e p or t s; f rom t h e i r h aving v‘ithlield remained th e y rema i ned as great instruments of ' - desired t o see them abolished, for while they- the accustomed annual stat emen t o f rece i pts a n d expandi j rare of the Asylum, and parti cu l ar l y the treasurer's nc ticc.—(Cheers.) Let th em re f orm a b uses for the sake count, and from the enormous increase made in the weekly main n i c y re a a tt s r e i d . of justice, for the sake of their own characters, and a ra m te ci o n f tin m , a t i o ntenan a c r e ds f o o f r s l i i x atients r since cet Mi u ch h ael i mas last, what was still more important, in order, if' possible, to char g es being, in the opinion 'y o l f )e this 17oa"rd s , put an end to that religious difference and heartburaing imitable to the absence of all due vigilance, attention, and which was so much shown in that House.—(Cheers.) proper economy on the part of such Visiting Justices to lie thought it was most unfortunate that when ev e r an y the general management and the financial concerns of the improvement, however remote from the Church it was, Asylum." still the Church was always set up as a bar and a bug- 'Phe report of the Visiting Justices of the County bear to it.—(Cheers.) Lunatic Asylum having been read, and it hating been Lard DUNCANNON and Mr. PRYME said a few words moved that the report be printed arid circulated, in explanation. Mr. FREDERICK BYNG said there was an intimation Sir CHARLES BURRELL contended that the in the report of mis-statements having been made. He Church did not stand in the way of improvements ; but had addressed a letter on that subject to their Chair on the contrary, he had never witnessed a more conci- man (Mr. Serge an t Ad ams ,) an d h e t h oug h t t h at the liatory spi r it t h an t h at wh i ch prevailed amongst the report did not enter so fully into the statements as it clergy of the Established Church on this subject. ought to do. Mr. O'CONNELL would vote for the moti on o f The CHAIRMAN said ho intended to lay before the the Hon. Member for Lambeth, but he wished it to be Court the correspondence that had taken place between understood that he was not voting the slightest censure himself and Mr. Byng, and perhaps that gentleman on Mr. Morris ; on the contrary, he thought that gen. bad better postpone his observation s until that corres tlememanto great credit. Because, although P entitled ondence was read. he was a pluralist in point of law, he was not Sir JOHN SCOTT LILLIE said that when a charge so in practice, for, according to the state- was brought forward of misappropriation of funds, it was tncnt of the Honourable Member opposite, their duty to inquire into such charge. He thought and which no doubt was correct, he gave all the re- they ought to appoint a special meeting of the C ourt ve nues of the one living to th e party w h o performed to i nqu i re i nto t h e a ll egat i ons, and the Committee ' of the Asylum ought to be the first t o su pp ort suc h a motion. the duties, while he himself preached f o u r ti mes a d ay in the other. No one wl:o heard that statement could Mr. HUME said a resolution liad been communicated help entertaining great respect for that gentleman.— to the Court from a parish, stating that the parishion `Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord opposite (Lord Dun- ers had no confidence. in the Management of the Han arrannon)—had thrown out great insinuations against the well Asylum. That was a grave char g e again s t a b o d y Catholic Clergy—(" Hear, hear , " from Lord Dungan- so respectable, and they agreed with Sir J. S. Lillie, non) and was ready to repeat them.—(" Hear, hear," that these charges should be inquired into, and that from the same Noble Lord.) There was air advocate of inquiry ought to pro c e e d b e f ore any d ec i s i on of the tolerance . a • • I (Lawyhter ) Yet he came forward an d Court was come to upon the rep or t. Mr.- Tour thought that such a proceeding was calcu boasted that all the Clergy of Durham supported him ng fa a n b c o y ut ttoastelsii,malatedto the a stigma on the Visiting Justices. First — nd of all report ought to be circulated, and if the notre of t h e port did not give satisfaction, then a committee might laughter.) best sort.—(Renewed .The Noble Lord he appointed. If the report was at all ambiguous, FIL; e tahu t ag a t s h t t e te s hr)e o —y f t t hi l l r ea e rde C vsa l ' e an r s g Clergy ox o e f edeisdpinugti Durham was then there might be same grounds for investigation, but h thought it - most explanatory.--( Hear, hear.) He e was (Hear, hear.) had imputed premeditated perjury to an absent man.— only wished to do his duty to the Magistrates, to whom he the transaction —(Cries of "Order, order.") Lord DUNGANNON—Judging from the whole of Mr. O'CONNELL b e lieved he was entitled to go whom he was morally responsibl e . on with ou t i nterrupt i on , an d wou ld o nly request representative that Sir CHARLES FORBES said th a t a comp l a i nt h a d only ta tiv . e been made from one out of 100 of th e par i s h es o f Mid the me e k ness an d mo d esty su i te d to t h e re . of th e Cl ergy of Durham might b e exercise d towar d s dlesex. If there was a complaint f rom even one - tenth him.—(Hear hear, and l aug ht er .) C o uld a stronger of the parishes, he should have th oug h t i t wort h y of , re, non be given wlly this spnies of tr al ibun Ehnuid sh;! some J OHN , etarsir , eration.—(Hear, he ar .) I I abolished th an t h at which the Right Hun. Gentleman Sir SCOTT LILLIE had no doubt that in a st; N, LUN 1)()N, FRII.)A V. APltli, G. 1:),;9. had stated, that the party in question was illegally im prisoned? It was better for the honour and integrity of the Established Church. and for the safety of her Majesty's subjects, that these tribunals should be abo lished, and he heartily concurred in the motion. Mr. DARBY thought if the House divided on this motion an imputation would be thrown not only on Mr. Morris and Mr. James, but on those who ought to have brought forward a substantive motion before the House, and he should therefore move the previous question. He thought it was very unfair practice that Members should bring forward cases against individuals, and that their characters should be attacked in their absence.— ( Hear, hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER felt a great objection to be called on to decide by resolution on personal character or judicial proceeding. He did not wish to exclude the House taking cogni zance of either the one or the other ; but unless the ease were a strong one, it was better the House should take on itself to decide on personal character, or to arrogate to itself functions it could not well perform, by revising proceedings in Courts of Law ; but although the motion of the Hon. Member for Lambeth most pro perly introduced the case of Mr. Morris, yet the motion had no reference whatever to that case. If he were called on to vote upon the case of Mr. Morris only, he should decline to support it ; and perhaps the purpose of the Hon. Member would be answered, if be merely couched his resolution in the terms of the recommen dation of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners. But as the motion was at present framed, it was merely a simple affirmance of the principle laid down by the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, and to move the previous question upon this motion was merely shirking the prin ciple. He would not go into a defence of the Government on the delay that had occurred in bringing in a Bill on this subject, because he was perfectly satisfied that on the relation of the facts by the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman near him (Dr. LuAington), neither the House or the public would condemn them for not being able to effect this object before. Nothing could be more unjust, or unfair, he agreed than bringing forward personal charges without the fullest opportunity being given to all patties to be prepared with their defence, but he believed that in the late debate on Irish affairs that maxim had been very considerably departed from. —(Hear, hear.) He should give his hearty concur rence to the motion of the Hon. Member for Lambeth. Mr. GAL LY KNIGHT trusted the previous ques tion would not be pressed, as he did not think the cha racter of Mr. Morris at all impugned by the motion. Lord G. SOMERSET thought it was highly im proper that the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite should have condemned parties not berore him in such unmeasured and unqualified language. As an independent Member of Parliament, he (Lord G. -Somerset) had a right to express his astonishment that a Learned Judge should express condemnation of an. inferior Court, unless he was called on to pronounce judgment thereon. He entertained no affection for ecclesiastical jurisdictions, but he thought it highly im proper that a motion of this kind should be hung on the name of a gentleman who, according to the opinion of all parties, was completely absolved from all blame. Dr. LUSHINGTON explained. His opinion had not been formed on any exparte statement, but on the face of the proceedings themselves, and he could come to no other conclusion than that to which he bad come. Sir C. DOUGLAS said he should vote for the motion. Mr. EASTHOPE believed there was nothing more adverse to the spirit of piety, and more at war with every thing which the Christian religion taught and inculcated, than the proceedings in Eccle siastical Courts. He envied not the spirit of the man who could support laws of this description, by which individuals were imprisoned, and then claim to be the champion: of religion. He wished not to be a party to such religion—it was not the religion of Jesus Christ— it was not the spirit of that religion which the Dissenters sought to promot e .—( H ear , hear.) Mr. ACLAND objected to the discussion of ab stract questions on casas of this nature, and would sub mit to Hon. Gentlemen the propriety of bringing forward questions of this kind as substantive measures.— ( Hear, hear.) Mr. HAWES briefly replied. He had not given the Hon. Member for Carmarthen notice of the case of Mr. James, bnause it had been for some time published in all the Welsh Papers. He agreed to the omission of the last words of the resolution. Mr. DARBY having withdrawn his amendincnt, the resolution as altered was passed. LAND TAX. Mr. LANGDALE moved for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the Act 1 and 2 William IV., relating to double assessments. The object of the Bill was only to remove a technical difficulty in the operation of that Act. Tha CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER agreed to the introduction of the Bill, though he doubted whether the difficulty was so technical as it had been represented.—Leave was than given to brit; ,- * in the Bill. . CUSTODY OF INFANTS BILL. Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD moved for leave to bring in a B 11 founded on the Bill which had passed the House last Session, and was only lost in the Lords by a majority of two. The object of the Bill was to remove the provisions in the existing law, by which a mother could be debarred from the custody- of, or from inter course with, her children. The cases which he %visited to relieve were such as these :—An innocent and virtu ous wife, who sued her husband fur cruelty or adultery, could be, deprived by him, in revenga of all access to her children ; and his Bill would enable the Courts which had pronounce.l in such cases judgment against the bus- ' band, to take this custody of the children from the con victed adulterer or the cruel husband, and give it to the mother. And as the Habeas Corpus Writ had often been appealed to by the 'lather to recover possession of the children, the Bill would enable the• Judges, notwith standing that writ, to give the mother access to bet children. Where the parents were living apart the Bill will would also give the Judges power to enable the mother to have access to her children. The Bill could not be said to be likely to produce litigation, for all the facts must come shortly and simply before the Ju.!ge who bad to decide. He hoped the House would enable him by bringing in this Bill to remedy the evils of do mestic tyranny, and mitigate the lot of innocent and in jured moth rs.—(Cheers.) - The ATTORNEY-GENERAL consented to the motion, which was agreed to, and the all was brought in, The House adjourned at Ilalf-past Ten. ga•1r.V0,5,R7,17 , 717,C , 17 .,- .0,..11121111111 11 G1N MEETING OF MIDDLESEX MAGISTRATES. very short time they would hear of complaints from more than one parish, and he should move that the re port be considered this day three weeks. After a short conversation this motion was agreed to. Mr. FREDERICK BYNG then moved that the first eighteen reports of the Visiting Justices of the Lunatic Asylum at Hanwell, which had not been printed, be printed. ' Mr. Tuts hoped that if the first eighteen reports were to be printed, they would print the remainder. He did not wish to throw any obstac!e in the way of the printing of those reports, but he though they ought to ascertain the cost before they ordered them to be printed. Mr. BYNG said that after 160,000/. had been ex peir!ed on the Asylum, a little expense for the purpose of ascertainin g how th at money had b een laid out should not be grudged. Mr. - Toix believed the expeme of printing the re ports (as we understood) would be LOW. Sir PETER LAURI E did not see why they should incur the expense of printing 48 reports when the Hon. 111,t gistrate himself had them in his possession, or ought to have, and could make any use of them he pleased. Mr. BYNG said his reason for having them printed was because the subject required investigation. Sir CHARLES FORBES begged to suggest to Mr. Hume that he might apply to the House of Commons for a committee to enquire into the whole management of the Haswell Asylum, and then the subject would be fu:ly and iinw.rtially investigated. Mr. H umE understood a grave charge was to be made by Mr. Byng against the Magistrates for misappropria tion for years past of the public funds. Now if such a charge were to be made against any Minister in the House of Commons, and a similar motion was made, no man in the House of Commons would rise and object to the printing of all the documents. It would be said the House could not come to a consideration of the question without having the fullest information before it.— (Hear, hear.) In the preSent instance the whole Bench was implicated, and they ought not for the sake of a paltry economy to still investigation. Let the whole facts go before the public, and then a fair and legi timate opinion could be formed. He thought it would ha wise to have the reports printed. Sir CHARLES FORBES—B u t how are we to get over the difficulties of appointing a committee of ourselves to inquire into our own conduct ?—(Hear, hear.) Sir P. LAURIE having been on the Committee of the Asylum for some years, was of opinion that the Court ought to allow the reports to be printed, otherwise it might be said they desired to conceal something.— (Hear, hear.) The expense of printing these docu ments ought to be made to fall on those who wished to have them printed. Mr. SIMPSON had heard no case stated nor any rea son given to justify the expense of having those docu ments printed. Mr. BYNG would state his reasons. The last time he had ventured to address the Court on this subjec: he al luded to the lavisW expenditure on the Asylum. He was then contradicted by their Chairman, and he after wards wrote a letter. The CHAIRMAN hoped that any observation which related to the correspondence between Mr. Byng and himself would not be again alluded to until that corres pondence was before the Court, sn that the Court might see what the charges and the answers to them were. Mr. BYNG had been challtnged to gate his reasons for wishing to put the county to the expense of printing the Report. All he wanted was to have the eighteen Reports printed that had not as yet been printed. They were very short, and would not cost the county much money. The Chairman then put the question that the eighteen reports of the Visiting Justices be printed ; but their being 26 agsinst the motion, and only 12 for it, the motion was lost. Mr. Sergeant Adams having vacated the chair, and Mr. Hall being voted into it, the Clerk read the fol lowing correspondence :- 37, St. James's-place, Sept. 26, 1839. Sir,—On the County day of the January Quarter Ses sions, in my place as a Magistrate of the County, I made a statement to the Bench,.of which you are the Chairman, relative to the extremely lavish and improvident expendi. cure of the money of the County-rate payers on the Pauper Lunatic Asylum at Hanwell; and I asserted that the ori ginal estimate for which, and the drawings and specifica tions, the County paid 1,3001. for an Asylum fur six hun dred patients, was 123,730/. 13s. 10J., while the actual cost fur the Asylum for had the number of patients, viz. 300, was, according to the Thirty-first Report of the Visit ing Justices, 122,256/. 14a. sd. I was contradicted in my st4tement, although several of the Visiting Justices were present; and you, Sir, professed ignorance of the subject, as you were not at the time a Magistrate of the County. On my application in Court for the original estimate to be produced, Mr. Allen now the County Treasurer, who h‘.(l been Deputy Clerk of the Peace, and Clerk to the Visiting Justices of the Asylum, produced Mr. Cubitt's contract for the building. amounting to 63,2001 , and the ropor ors were particularly requested to attend to the re futation thus given to my statement. Finding subscquen:ly, on inqury, the deception which had thus been practi,ed on myself and the Court, I took earliest opportunity (which the Coarity day of the February General Session afforded me) to endeavour to relieve myself from the odium whic's every misstatement must crea.:e. But as Chairman you prevented me from clokg so; you alleged that it was only at the Quarter sod rot the General Sessions that matters relati,g to the Lunatic Asylum could be discussed, but that if I would state to you what I wanted, you would let me know if the matter could be entertiined. I then toll you that the 48th Report of the Nrisiting Justices contoioed statemeras which I knew were untrue. I also told you, that as Churchwarden of tlic parish of St James's W..,str&niter, was aware that the Vestry Clerk had written to the Jus tices to know why the annual statemeres of the details of Receipts and Expenditure at the Asylum had this year been withheld, and that no answer had been returned to his letter. At this point you stopped me,' and said that an answer to the St. limes's application had been sent to that parish, enclosing the omitted accounts. Thus again was I made to appear as having asserted that which was untrue, and been negligent in my ditty in making charges without due inquiry. You, Sir, 3111 the County Trea• surer on the two occasions placed me in a condition which every gentleman is anxious to be relieved from. I there fore reiterate the statements I thus recall to your recollec• tion, all of which I am prepared to prove are true, both as they relate to the original estimate for the Asylum, and also, that up to the present moment (F. b. 26.) no answer has been received by the Vestry Cleik of St. James's, and that the omitted a ccounts, wh i ch shou l d h ive ap petvr ed in the 48th Rep ort o f the Vi s i ting Just i ces, h ave not beets received by St. James's parish, as you -publicly asserted . they had b een sent. I t is quite i mposs ib' c for ar.y ingenuity to prevent an investigation into the extraordi retry powers the Visiti ng J ust i ces c l a i m to have over the Pauper Lunatic Asylum and its expenditure. As one of the Visiting Justices, you probably are aware that your Clerk has refused to show me either the Fulifed accounts or the minute books of the proccediegs of the Visiting Justices. You are at liherty to make any use you may think pi-o per of this communication, as I shall of the rep!y, which I think I am in foirness intitled to from )ou. I have the honour to be, Sir, Your most obedient humble scrvAnt. FREDERICK BYNG. I b the with having made in their 48th Report statements which arc untrue (and which place them much in the same painful situation), I trust you will in fairness give them some written notification of those untruths before the next County day, to enable them to meet the charges you are about to make. . In reply to that part of your Lotter in which you state, that it is impossible for any ingenuity to prevent an investigation of the extraordinary powers that the Vi siting Justices claim 'to have over the Pauper Lunatic Asylum and its expenditure, I know of no powers claimed by them other than those given them by the General Statute for the Regulation of County Lunatic Asylums, which applies to all other counties as well as Middlesex ; and I beg distinctly to state, that, as far as I am per sonally concerned, and I believe I may answer for my Brother Justices, no ingenuity will be at any time exer cised by any of us to prevent an investigation into our public conduct. I must at the same time add that observations of such a nature made by one Magistrate upon his fell ow Justices, appear to me far more fitting to be made in his place in open court, where they may be publicly met, than in a letter addressed to the Chairman of the Bench. I also very much regret, and I am sure the regret is general, that with the opinions you seem to entertain of the public conduct of those gentlemen, who being asso ciated with yourself in her Majesty's Commission of the Peace take upon themselves the active discharge of the duti• s attached to their office, we have not the satisfaction of seeing you more frequently amongst us, not only because it would make ycu more familiar with our habits and usages, but might perhaps also modify your opinion of the manner in which those duties are discharged. For a reply to that part of }our letter in wnieh you st ste that the clerk to the Visiting Justices refused you the in spection of the minutes of the proceedings of the Visiting Justices, and the architect's accounts, I beg to refer you to your overt letter to Mr. Wright, and his answer (copies of which I enclose), for the real state of the case. I un derstood yru had not up to yesterday morning returned an answer to that letter, and the Visiting Justices are not aware of the authority under which, as a Magistrate of the County, you claim a right to call upon a clerk, appointed according to the prosisions of the Lunatic Asylum Act by the Visiting Justices only, subject only to their control, and paid by them out of a fund applicable only to the pur poses of the Asylum, to inspect the Minute Books of his employers, without previous application to them. The whole management of County Lunatic Asylums being, as I presume you are aware, by the Lunatic Asylum Act, vested in a Committee of Visiting Justices elected out of the general body ; a provision which, I presume, was thought necessary by reason of those clauses in the Act which allow two or more counties to join in one Asylum. I shall avail myself of the privilege you give me of making any use I think proper of your communication, by laying the same, together with my answer, before the Justices on the next county day. I have also to request that in making use of this letter you will please to consider the four letters enclosed as forming part of the letter, and to be use I with it. I leave town on Monday to join the Circuit, and sha not return for some weeks. I have the honour to be, Sir, your humble servant, (Signed) JOHN ADAMS. 1, Sergeant's Inn, Much 1, 1839. The Hon. Frederick Byng, &c. Bre- &c. Sessions House, Clerkenvvell. Feb. 28th, 1839. Sir,—Having read the Hon. Frederick 13yng's letter to you cf the 26th inst., which you enclosed to me, I beg to return it, and to give the following reply to that part nhich relatcs to myself. In the first place, I must observe that Mr. Byng unjustly charges me with having practiced a deception on him and the Court, inasmuch as the statement I made on the 17th of January was given in answer to a question put to me un expectedly, and therefore from recollection only; but in the second place, I repeat that my statement was substantially correc:; for I find that when Mr. A'derson's plans for build ing a Lunatic Asylum for the reception of 600 patients wa're reduced, an asylum for 300 patients was contracted to be erected by Messrs. Cubitt, for 63.2001., and the actual sum paid to him under that contract was 62,7731. ' 104. only. Before the Asylum was opened, additional works were deemed necessary, and a contract was entered into with Mr. M'llitosh, for his performing them, which was done at an expense of 14,3311. 12s. 4d. ; but this amount included boundary walls for the gardens at the south-west of the Asylum, and sundry offices, none of which were contained in the reduced plans. In May 1831 the Asylum was opened, and at April Quarter Session, 1832, the Visiting Ju'tices reported that there were 427 patients in the building; and by the beginning of the year 1836, the Asylum, by arrangements made by the Visiting Justices, and without any further grant being made by the Court beyond the 124.440/. originally borrowed, was made capable of containing, and did at January Session, 1836, contain upwards of 600 paticntc, as shown by the inclosed table. The difference of 47,3341. 17s. 81. between the above-mentioned sums paid to Messrs. Cubitt and Mr. M•lntosh and the 124,4401. was expended in the purchase of. land, the architect's and surveyor's remuneration and per centag,?, engineer's work, fitments and warming, ground work and planting, gas fittings, fur niture, law charges, clerk's salary, &c. &c., none of which formed any part of Mr. Alderson's estimate; but if an Asylum for 600 patients had been erected, according to Mr. Alderson's plan, his estimate of 123,7301. 13r. 10d. would, of course, have been inercased by the several items I have just enumerated, besides others, and consequently by the amount of 50,0001 at least. I am, Sir, your very obe , lient set vans, CHARLES P. ALLEN. Mr. Sergeant Adams. P. S.--I t/i4l to aid that since my statement was msde in Court, on the 17th of January last, I have received three Itters from Mr. Byng, in neither of which does he complain of its being incorrect, nor in any way allude to it. C. P. A. . . St. James, Westmins•cr, 50, Poland -street, 13. h Feb., J 839. Gentlemen,—l ant instructed by the Governors and Di rectors of the poor of this parish to point out to you tit' the annual statement of the accounts of the County Lunatic Asylum expenditure has.been omitted in the last published Ruport, and to beg that you will be so good as to direct that a copy of it may be furnished to me for their information. I have the honour to be, Gentlemen, Your obedient servant, GEORGE BUZZARD, Clerk. The Visiting Justices of the County Lunatic Asylum. Feb. 18th, 1839. Sir,—As a Magi,strate of the County of Middlesex I now apply to you as Clerk to the Visiting Jtvitices to tlo• Lunatic Asylum, at Ilanwell, under the 9,11 Geo. IV., chip. 40. to inspect the minute- book and the accounts re thereto in your rossession. I am, Si., your mast obedient servant. FREDERICK BYNG. Charles Wright, El. Sessions House, Clerkenwell, 19th February, 1839. Sir,—llaving referred your rote of yesterday to the C immittee of Visiting Justices, I am instructed by them to request that you will point out for their information the sec tion of the statute 9th George IV., cap. 40, on which your application is founded. _ I am, &c., Your most obedient bumble servant, ... CHAS. WRIGHT. The Hon. Fred. Byng, &c. &c. &c. Mr. Sergeant ADAMS said he had three reasons for laying this correspondence before the Court. First, because a letter had been addressed to hint as Chairman, stating that a fraud had been practised on the Court by a very meritorious officer.—(Hear, hear.) Secondly, because lie (Mr. Sergeant Adams) was charged with having publicly stated that which was untrue to a mem bar of the Bench ; and, thirdly, because he wished to request the protection of the Court, and to state that the Chairman of that Court was not the party to whom complaints were to .be made, by any Magistrate of the c Junty.—(Hear, hear.) With the greatest respect to the worthy Magistrate, he must say that he thought he had used language that he ought not to have applied towards his brother Magistrates, when he said that no ingenuity on the part of the Visiting Justices could pre vent an inquiry into their public conduct. The Hon. Gentleman had also charged the Visiting Justices with having made statements that were untrue, but they were left in the dark as to what those untruths were.— (Hear.) He had felt it to be his duty to bring this sub ject before the Court, and he hoped the Court would f !el that he ought not to be placed in the painful situa tion of having such letters addressed to him as Chair man.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. BYNG said that his addressing the Chairman was only to be attributed to his ignorance of business, but h bad thought that that would be the most open and fair way of contradicting the charges made, It was a serious evil to parishes to have constant attacks on their purses by any irresponsible Magistracy, and who ap poi& tel a still more irresponsibleCummittee. He consider ed that as a Magistrate be had a right to inspect the ac counts of the Hanvvell Asylum, but which he had h-en refuses!. What he had done was with a good intention, but if he had acted wrong, he begged pardon. As he understood the Act of Parliament, any Magistrate had a right to inspect the accounts. Mr. Sergeant ADAMS said the explanation of the Worthy Magistrate was so satisfactory that it had re moved every unpleasant feeling from his breast ; but he thought after all that had passed, he thought it would be something like fairaess if the Hon. Gentleman was to inform the Visiting Justices in writing before the day of attack came of what the charges were that lie intended to prefer against them. Sir P. LAURIE—What is to become of these let tern ? Mr. Sergeant ADAMS'S wish was that they should be burred. Mr. BYNG said perhaps they could not be better diBposed of. Mr. GIBSON did not think Mr. Byng bad been treated fairly. That Hon. Gentleman bad been inter rupted a little too •early, because it was impossible for him to reply to the remarks that had been made with out stating the motives and reasons which b a d i n d uce d him to write that letter. Daring the whole course of this proceeding there had been a strong prejudice against the Hon. Gentleman. He (Mr. Gibson) knew that a strong feeling existed throughout the northern part of the county that there had been a very latish expcnditurc of the public money on this subject, and had no doubt that in a very short time they would receive remonstrances from fifty or sixty parishes.—( Hear.) Mr. Ser4eaut ADAMS then resumed the Chair. Mr. Tta.x gave notice that he should on the next eta—l have the hut,our to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 26th ult. (delivered to me yesterday). relating to certain circumstances which took place at the last County day of the Middlesex Sessions. I have referred that part of the letter which relates to what you term " the deception which had been practised upon you and the Court" to the County Treasurer, and inclose, his answer. With respect to what passed between you and myself as Chairman of the Court, I must beg to reedl to your recol lection the whole of the conver satton. I You came info Court in the early part of the day, and _ addressed me to e some question resp ectin g the County Lunatic Asylum, when I informed you that anotherquestton was then before the Court, and you bowed and sat down. You remained silent twit the crew of the business of the day (between four and five o'clock). when you said you visited to have the 4 3 h Report of the Visiting Justices of the Hanwell As) lum taken into consideration, I told you that that bed been already done ; you then said you wished to ask of me haw, if Reports contained matters which were incorrect, you could bring them before the Court, and where you were to seek for redress if you applied to persons for information and it was refused to you. I answered , a s to the first part of your question, that notice of the bringing up of a Repo r t was always inserted in the agenda paper, printed and sent round to the Justices, and that it was your duty to be present i , your place as a !Magistrate at the time when th e R eport that was consider ed ; as to the latter part, if yo u wou ld name the information required, and the parties refusing. I would give you any redress within my province or power. You then complained that the Vestry Clerk of S t J unes ,, , w,,st_ ininster, bad applied ( as I then understcod you, an d as tla fact is, as will appe ar b y the inclosed co py of his letter) for a copy of the Annual Statement of the Accounts of the Hanwell Asylum ; not, as you now stat e i n your letter to , they had been witl,held" me, " to know why and that no notice had been taken of his letter. I 1 ; Lien interrupted you by sa ) iug that the letter in queation, which bore date you 15, had been taken into considerati,, by and that orders the Com. mittee at their next meeting ( February 19) were • given to send f to parish, the and that at the time I was then speaking (the afternoon of the 21st) I had no doubt they were in the possession of the Vestry Clerk. I regret to fiad, from inquiries made since the receipt of your letter, that from the neglect of the clerk my latter statement was incorrect, and that the accounts hate not to this day been furnished. The cause of this neglect must be inquired into a t the next Committee ; but no one can more regret the circumstance than mys If. You then said those accounts ought to have b een print e d. Th e Court were of the same opinion, an d up - n my suggestion and your motion, seconded•by one of the Vi siting Justices, the resolution was uuanimously carried. You th en t o ld m e you wished to make further observations on the 48:h Report if it was open to You. 1 printed you the lateness of the hour , nea rl y fiv e osci oek; out to and stated also that it was not customary to consider any question - S re lative t o t h e H anwe ll Asylum except at the Q uarter sions, and also that a Report which I: ad been once consi dtred could not be reconsidered (in point of order) without a notice, and at my suggestion you g:•.ve a notice of moticn for the next County day, " That the 48th Repo r t of the Visiting J ust i ces of the Hanwell Asylum be re.eonside - ed. I trust this explanation will exonerate me from the sus. picion th a t I cou ld have intended to place you in th e at y tuation in which you feel you have b een placed, and beg to express my extreme regret, that I should even : unintentionally have been the cause of eri.aiing. such. a l feeling iii t h e t a ,..it, of a Brother illat, - t . istritte, All ow me to add, that, as you charge the Vi s i t i ng Justices . s _-.~ __ w. County day move that a sum of 8201. be raised oa mort gage for the purposes of the Asylum. Mr. BYNG whiled to know from the worthy Chair man whether the books and accounts were open to the Magistrates ? Mr. S,rgeant A DAMS believed he might s.ly, that if in the course of 4S hours the lion. Gentleman applied to the Lunatic Asylum to see the accounts, he would meet with no refusal. Mr. BYNG would like to have the opinion of the Chairman upon the construction of the 10th section of the Act, relating to County Lunatic Asylums. Mr. Sergeant ADAMS thou4ht it did not relate to any of the proceedings after the completion nf the Asy lum, but that when the Asylum was completed. all the • orders and the accounts should be entered into one. book, that that book should contain entries of all mat ters and things relating to the Asylum, and that the book should be open to the inspection of every Migis trate and rate payer. Mr. IlumE—Does it relate to all contracts made at any time dui jug the building of the Asylum ? The CHAIMAN—It relates simply and entirely to the original cost of the building. It is to be a record of what has been done, and is to go into the custody of the Cleik of the Peace. COUNTY RATE. 'cite Report of the Committee on the County Trea surer's accounts was received, and on the motion of Mr. H=lll, a rate of three-farthing,s in the pound was ordercd for the ensuing quarter, but the collection of it was sus pended. 'lle Report of the Visiting Justices of the House of Correction, and the Report of the Visiting Justices of the New Prison were received. TLe CHAIRMAN then laid before the Court an appli cation by Mr. Wakley to inspect the records, a dispute having arisen between him and Mr. Biker, as to which of the Coroners had the right of holding inqm sts in the prisons of Clerkenwell.—The application was granted. The consideration of the remainder of the County bu siness was adjourned till this day fortnight. ~r.•.a--=~"Y'^'r i scs~?.:ra=,arc HER MAJESrY'S DRAWING ROOM. The Queen held a Drawing. room (the second this sea son) yesterchiy afternoon at St. James's Palace. tier 31 •jesty came in State with her suite in three car riages, escorted by a party of Life Guards from Bucking ham Palace. A Guard of Honour, of the 2d Lie Guards, with the band of the Regiment in State uniforms, v,as on duty in the large court-.lard of the Palace. T ae Queen's Guard of the Foot Guards, with their band, was stationed in the Colour Court. Her Albjes•v's Honourable Corps of Gentlemen-at- Arms atterrdeifin the Presence Chamber, Portrait Gallery, and at the entrances rest3c;t l cl f.4l* the Royal Family. Her 111 jesty was attended - AV • Countess of Cherie mont (in waiting), the Marehioni:ss nby (in t‘ait. ing), the Marchioness of Tavistock, r ...oriigan, and the Marchioness of Breadalbane, r .of the Bedcham ber; Lion. Miss Lister (in waiting), Hon. Miss Anson (in waiting), Hon. Miss Pitt, lion. Miss Cavendish, and the Hon. Miss Murray, Maids of Honour; Mrs. Brand (in waiting), Lady Harriet Clive, Hon. Mrs. George Camp bell, Lady Caroline Barrington, Viscountess Forbes, and Lady Theresa Digby, Women of the Bet chamber; Mar quis of Headfort, Lord in Waiting; Hun. William Cow per, Groom in Waiting ; Colonel Buckley, Equerry in Waiting ; Master Cowell and Master Cavendish, Pages of Honour in Waiting. The Duchess of Kent came in State to the Drawing Room, escorted by a party of Life Guards. tier Royal Highness was attended by Lady Flora Hastings, and the Hon. Captain Spencer. Her Royal Highness entered the PaLce by the Colour Court. Her Royal Highness's dress on this occasion was com posed entirely of British manufacture. The Duchess of Gloucester attended the Drawing Room Her Royal Highness was attended by Lady Mary Pelham. The Duke of Cambridge was attended by Major Ste phens and Baron Knesebeck. The Foreign Ministers and their Ladies being intro duced to the Throne Room, the following presentations to the Queen took place in the diplomatic circle. Madame the Princess de \Viasemsky and her daughter, Mademoiselle the Princesse de \Viasemsky; Madame the Princess de Mestchersky and her daughters, Mademoiselle the Princess de Mestchersky, and the Princess Branca leoni, from Rome, by Baroness de Cetto, the Lady of the Bavarian Minister. Mrs. Douglas Crugcr, of New York, and Mrs. Markow, of Maryland, by Mrs. Stevenson, the Lady of the Ameri can Minister. The Drawing Room was attended by the Russian Am bassador, the Belgian Minister, and Madame Van de We)cr, the Bavarian Minister and Baroness Cctto, the United States Minister and Mrs Stevenson, the Spanish, Mexican and . Saxon Ministers: M. de. Hummelauer, the Austrian Charge d'Affaires; Comrnandeur Marquis Lis boa, Brazilian Charge d'Affaires, and Madam) Lisboa ; Baru) Wlrther, Prussian Charge d'Affaires; Chevalier Rebell() de Carvalhe, Portuguese Charge d'Affaires; Prince J. Soutzo, Grecian Charge d'Affaires; Baron de Bourqueney, French Charge d'Affaires; Chevalier de Repna, Steilian Chage d'Affaires; Mr. Henry Brock hoist Livingstoi,, Attache to the United States Legation ; Mr. MAxey, United B:atts Charge d'Affaires to Belgium ; Mr. John Van Buren; Mr. Joao Olivera Carvalho, Attache to the Portuguese Ligation; Mr. Negrete, Se cretary, and Mr. B. Muriel, Attache to the Mexican Le. gation ; Count de Forbin Janson, Attache to the French Etubzsy; Chevalier J. de S andoval,- Attache to the Sdanish Legation ; Mr. Kissel& ff, First Secre tary of the French Embassy ; the Lord Steward, the Lord Chamber - I:in, the Master of the Horse, the Post- Mower General, the Captain of the fLanourable Corps of Gentlemen at Arms, Lord Hill, C Id Stick in Wait ing; the Captain of the Yeomen Guard, Sir John IM•Neill, G. C. 13. and K. L. S., her Majesty's Envoy Extraor dinary, and Minister Plenipotentiary to the Shah cf Persia; The Comptroller of the I.l.)uschuld ; M. Mattl,, M. P., •Under Secretary for the Hume De, , a....ttnet.t; Marquis of Huntley, Aile.de-camp to the Queeu; Mr. Thomas Shiffacr, Paymaster of the Household ; Sic Henry , Wheatley, G. C. H. Kt.eper of Her Majest3's 1 3 ,ivy Purse; the Lord Mayor; Hon. E iward Butler, Licute. :hint of the Honourable Cures of Gentlemen at Arms ; Sir Ed Pearson, Lieutenant of the Yeoman Guar , l ; Mr. Sulivan, D...puty , Secretary at War, the Master of the Ceremoni‘ s ; Sir Thanks Ret,re, Standard Bearcr to the Honourable Corps of Gentlemen at Arms ; v. Dr. Short, Deputy Clerk of the Closet in Waiting ; Sir George Houltun, Ensign of the Yeomen Guard ; Mr Bloomfield, S.cretary to her Majesty's Legation at Stockholme ; Colonel Cavendish, the Clerk Marshal ; Lord Alfred Paget, Equerry to her Mkjysty ; Mr. James Bunce Curling, CI, rk of the Cheque of the Honourable Corps of Gentlemen at Arm , ; Mr. Eller thorp, Clerk of the Clic que of the Yeomen Guard ; Mr. P.rkcr Nuttalt, Exon in Waiting ; S'r Benjamin Smith ; Sir Francis Collier, Naval A; , le-de-Camp iu Waitin.*; Colonel W) ndyard and Sir Robert Gardiner, A. D.C. to the Queen; Lord Radstock, N A D.C. ; Major St•phen., Equerry to his Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge; Baron Knesebeik ; Rev. Montague Wyn yard, Chaplain in Ordinary in Waiting ; the Lord Miyor's Chaplain ; Major Hyde, Assistant Master and Marshal of the Ceremonies ; Lieutenant- C:donel Reid, 2.1 Life Guards, Silver S:ick ; Colonel \Valton, Field Officer in Brigade Waiting; Captain Villiers, Coldstream Guards. Actin.. Adjutant in Waiting; Lieutenant-Colonel A,t, Grenadier Guards, Captain of the Guard on duty ; Cji• tain Green and Mr. Blackwood, - GeLtlemen Ushers in Waiting. Among the general company were Mr. Culquhoun, Anent and Consul. Genera - for the Hans Towns; the Chancellor of the Order of St. Michael and St. George ; and the following DUCHESSES—Somerset, Northumberland, Bedford. ARCHIONESSES —D J wnEhire, Th-nnood: Cornwallis. COUN rEssEs—Tankerviile, Bruce, Dowager Clare, Lichfield, Zetland, Albemarle, Stanhope, Delaware, Wick low, Radnor, Erroll, Dowager Chichester, Munster, De Salis, Euston, De Grey, Hillsborough, Wilton. VISCOUNTESSES—BoyIe, Combernocre, Ashbrook, Ho w _ ick, Fitzharris, Northland, Maynard, Vallctort. BARONESS-Lc Despenccr,. LADIES—Oee, Shelly, Bulkcicy, Philipp, Emily Futo r , Wheatley, Yarde Buller, Kirkland, 11I•Neill, Isabella Fitzgibbon, Charlotte Hill, Catherine Cavendish, Cathe iine Leslie, Catherine Bruen, Charles Russell, Charlotte Egerton, Buller, Shaw Stewat, A. Baring, Emily Gore, Elizdheth Gore, Jenkins. LADlES—Dowager Rivers, Saltoun, C. Saltoun, C. Underwood, Ross, Kinnaird, Gardiner, S.A.des, Vivian, Maly Iloges, Frances Fletcher, M. Stanley, Poltimore, Mary Hood, M. Phipps, L. Mevrrick, Hayes, Bridport, R. Stewart, Adelaide Hay, H. Howard, W. D'Eresby, L. D. Bromley, J. Boucerie, Rossmore, Stanley, M. Compton, Ashworth, Denman, Rolle, L. Pelham, Wharn cliffc, Burghersh, M. Stephenson, A. Ikresford, Kratchbull, Moore, Semour, C. Strlngv ays, Cornewall, Doraville, Adelaide Fitz.larenee. L. Cline, Manners, Barrow, R. Nos.,Yent Stepney, Chatterton, Bloomfield, A Beckett, L. Fitzroy, M. Hill. Anna Maria Courteray, F. Hotham, Radstock, Lionel Smith, C. Wood, Duff Gordon, M'Gregor, Nightingale, J. Scmcrset, Braybrook, E. West, Oranmore, G. Murray, Sznmis, A. Wilbraham, E. Howard, (2) Cornwallis, A. Kerr, Glenlyon. HONOURIBLES—Mrs. Edward Butler, Miss Fraser, Mrs. Fraser, Mrs. Manic, Mrs. Denman, Mis. Leigh, Miss Flower, Mrs. George Ponsonby, Lady B. Pcchcll, Mrs. Fi zmaurice, Mrs. Charles Drummond, Miss Herbert, Mrs. J. Talbot, Augusta Willoughby, Emily Pcnsonbv, Fanny Hood, Miss Mit:ord, Mrs. H. Murray, Sophia Hood, Mrs. O'Grady, Charlotte Ile bert, Mrs. Charles Ponsonby, Lady Borough, Miss Neville, Miss Murray, Mrs. \V. Herbert, Mrs. J. Finch, Mary Knox, Louisa Knox, H trriet Browne, Frances Julia :Murray, Miss May nard, Mrs; Ruus, Mrs. Meade. MISTRESSES—CoIquhoun. Charles Lushington, Hugh Baillie, Shaft° Adair, Binnerman, Long, Chandos Leigh, Montefiore nee de Rothschile, Pringle Taylor, Bas set Weymouth, Palm r, Philip Bennet, W. R. Robin son, W. Watson, Hopkinson, Edwin Rodgers, Palmer, John Garratt, E. Rice, Peers, Eel North, Barneby, Sparling, Gibbons, E. Cayley, Goodrich, M art i n , Brown low, C. \Vynyard. Fitzgerald, Mary Sulivan, Matlay, St. George, W. V. S'uart, Marshall, C. Stansfield, Conolly, R. Colborne, Webster, R. Ellice, Wickham, E. Stanley. Losth, 11. Wells, W}ndharn, A. Gossett, O'C,nnir, Russell, G. Wilkinson. MtssEs.—Colquhoun, Katharine Colquhoun, Baillie, Shelley, Laura Wheatley, Sophia Wheatley. Fraser, Doraville, Barrow, St'.nley, Kirkland, liovenden, Guthrie, Leigh, Louisa Montt fibre, Cavendish, Shaw, Stewart, Emma Til ney Long, Bradford, Long Wel leiley, Bsrne, Georgiana , Byrne, Ellice, CdnollY, Sulivan, Mary Sulivan, Beckett, Diana Ponsonby, Ma•ia Dickson, Percy, Elizabeth Care c, Ellen Carew, Smith, W. W 3 ma, Herbert, K. Stewart, L. Percy, Quin, Spar ling, Isab i ll a S m i t h , Drummond, King, Eleanor Drum ' mond, J. Beresford, Pierecpont, 3 Codringtons, Gardiner, N 1 (; ;rt • -. ~ ~~~~ ~~/i M. Stanley, Catherine Stanley, Asbrvorth, Vic l'eresfOrd, Rice, Clive, J. Stewart, L. Marshall. Susan Mirsliall, Ridloy Cdborne, Wyndham, Heneage, F. Wood, F.. Sum Shuttlesvoth, Cross, Kerr, M. Kerr, Alice Gordon, C. Somerset, PhiHipps, Duff Gord:;n, Louisa \Vynyard, M ,ry Nl-ado, A. M-ade, Vise, 13trtlor, Goodrich, Vernon Harcourt, Sul% an, Nlurr y, Frances Murray, Susan Mu ray, Nl`Gregor, Pardo', M. 13 ckett, Ommany, K. Ommany, Loire. MaaQulsEs—llurtly, Lansdowne, No - manby, Thomcnd, West meat h. ~t°~~~~: ttt, EARLS—Devon, Z:tiand, Muever, Erroll, Radnor, Wleklow, Eti•itnn, Cowptr. VISCOUNTS—BO) !C, Clive, Comber mere, tlorr;ek, PAl mersten, DLit:cannon, ALlbcurce, CAutilur, A ::'•IIBISIICP—Armagh. P-- Norwich. Looni—BoseP.wen, Sondes, Bloomfield, S Icy. L‘tri ton, M. H if, G. Q .in, Prudho-, Braybrocke, Orrno::cle, Kinna;rd, Burgher.h, Poltimore. RIGIIT HONOURABLE—Henry Pierr. pont. HONOURABLES— W. Frascr, Mr. Duncan, W. St , Art,n, C. Fitzmaurice, C. Drummond, C. Cou.tonay, C. Pon. sonby, Rev. A. Phipps, T. K :ox, L. Grady, R v. 11. Coortenay, G. Finch, W. Trrople, Mr. Maynard, G. Meade, Capt. Kep. el, Cart Roos. SIRS —R. &likely Philipps, J. Y. Buller, G. Carroll, J Shelley, J. Kirkland. E. Ilayi-s, D. N,,rreY9, J. Crux:., C. l) muck, W. Chattertun, K. J ::kiss. T. Phi:lipps, .1 Pecheit, J. Crofton, J. M‘Greger, E. Knatabuli, C. Hunter, J. Barrow. Rev. MESSIEURS—J. Burs. ,J. Alatkic., E. Prodgers, E. R pt n. AlEssiEurs —E. Foley, M. P., C. Cavendish, Chiches ter, M P., C. Leigh, J. Booth, R. Robinson, James Tiomson, J Garrott, Wm. Blake, 31. P., Shafto Adair, Btiliserman, Long, Bassetts, Brui.sn, W. Marshall, J. S.rlis, pkinson. G. Carmichael. Kann, Lucas, R. Ellice, D. Jones, J. Coplinir, M. Gregor, Dattin, Gi3- D.,w, 0. Goodrich, C. Cooper, Duniar, B. Baker, Hoare. J. Dais, C. Smyth, W. Robinirai, F. C.x. Pilgrim, F. Maily, C. Lushinvon. Russell. H. Alexander, F. North, Fi!zg-crald, Wilkes, G. Irwin, Fowke, C. Ccnully, F. Trench, Stanley, H. Burgh, Chal loner, G. Bushe, Wihraham, E. Rice. BArneby, A. Cwset, C. George, Palmer, H. Gorges, Burr, Marshall, P. Belinct, M. Anketell, G. Wilkinson, P. Howard, Ste phenson. ADMIIIALS-&r Charles Ogle Sk;psey, Sir G. Monre, Sir E. Codringtonr GENERALq---Sir Thomas Bradford, S'r Ilonry Wheat lpy, G. C. 8., Sir E. Staunus, C. Macleod, Sir ETteneh, Su- ii. Gareer, Sir J. Macleod, Hon. H. Mo-ray Slr Q. Grant, Sir J. Gardiner, Hon. W. Gardner, 8:r H. Lowe. COLnNELS— Hugh Baillie , Pringle Taylor, K H., Co !lolly, M. P., Wemyss, Webster, NorellifTc, R. W.:llaeo, Crosse, Wingfield, Meyrick, Colvile, S 8.7,h0pe, Wyud. ham, Macintosh, Ashworth, Wood, Gowell. MAJORS—Waymouth, R.Jbb, Maclean, P..ine, Sweet nun, CAPTAINS —Toup Nicolas:, C. 13., Knox, It. Harvey, Whatalan, Coop..sr, F. Blackwood, M. White, Fletcher, Newcomer, Watson, Margary. CarratNs—E. Ansell, Wcod, Guille, B. Knight, UOMMADERS— ‘lVat-Rhington, C. Buckle, Herbert, Nl•ll wainc, Denham. LIEUTENANTS—Irvine, Stuart; PERloi.-, .t. Palmer, Stow vll, Gardner, Brett, Ward°, Shipton, Jones, Go!die, Hamnr.rd, Rattcrbury, Freese, V. Kirkland, Murray, Steele, Lavie, Ommany, White. ENSIGNS—Patten, Wallace, Crawley, Bienkinsopp. The ft,llowing Ladies were presented to the Queen : Viscountess Combcrmerc, on her marriage, by the Mar chioness of Downshire. The Countess of Z.Aland, by the Countess of Charlernont. Viscountess Boyle, by Viscountess Hossick. Lady Shaw Stewart, by the Duchess of Somerset, Lady Catherine Leslie, by the Countess Dowager of Chi.. Chester. Baroness Le Despencer, by'the Countess of Falmouth. Lady Kirkland, by Lady Sondes. Lady Botler, by the Viscountess Bcresford. Lady M•Neill, by Lady Wheatley. Lady Charles Russell, by the Duchess of Bedford. The Hon. AL's. Edward Butler on her marriage, by Viscountess Forbes. The lion. Mrs. Fraser, by her mother, Lady Saholm. Lady Mary Hood, on her marriage, by Lady Bridport. Lady Mary Hoare, by the Dowager Lady Rivers. Lady Cross, by Lady Yarde Buller. Lady Adelaide Fi!zelareoce, by her mother, the Countess of Munster. Mrs. Charles Lushington, on her marriage, by Lady Ca therint. Cavendish. Mrs. Lon;, by Lady Gardiner. Mrs. Shafto Adair, by Lady Cowley. Mrs. Pringle Taylor, by Lady Yarde Buller. Lady Gardiner, by the Duchess of Northumberland. Lady Jenkins, by Lady Lucy Oliver. Lady Frances Fletcher, by the Dosirager Lady Rivers. Lady Ashworth, by Lady Catherine Bruen. Lady Hayes, by the Countess of Falmouth. Lady Knatelrball, by the Marchioness of Downshire. Lady Adelaide Flay, by the Countess of Erroll. Lady Stanley, by the Countess of Wilton. Miss Katherine Colquboun, by her mother, Mrs. Col. quhoun. Miss Fraser, by her grandmother, Lady Sshello. Miss Kirkland, by Lady Kirkland. Miss Stanley, by her mother, Lady Mary Stanley. • Miss Louisa Montefiore, by her mother, Mrs Montefiore, rd..i de Rothschild. Miss Leigh, by Mts. Chandos Li igh. Miss Shaw Stewart, by her mother. Lady Shaw Stewart. Mi,s Bradford, by her Grace the Duchess of Northumber land. • Mrs. Martin, by Lady Bloomfield. %Lida ne 0 Collor, by the Marchioness of No:mil:by. Lady. Chattcrton. by the Dowager Lady River.. ?Jr.A Wickham, by the Countes s De G re y. Mrs. St Ge orge , by the Marchionezi of Normanby. Alms Mary Subv.,n, by the Duchess of Noithumbtrland. Brownlow, by the Countess of Charlemont. Mrs. Gibbons, on her marriage, by Lady Caroline Wood. Mrs. Edward Cayley, by the Countess of Euston. Mis. Goodrich, by Viscountess Beresford. Mt-g. Barnebv, on her marriage, by . Lady John Semerset. Mrs. Peers by her mother, Mrs. Lowth. Mrs. John Got ratt, by the Countess de &Hs. Mrs Frederick North, by Lady Wheatley. Mts. Edward Rice, by Lady KnateliLdl. Miss Rice, by Lady Knatel,bull. Mrs. Ed sin Prodgc;s, by Lady Rossmcre. Mrs El irakinson, by Lady John Somerset. Mrs. Philp Bennet, by Viscountess r'orbs. Miss Perdue, by Lady Stepney. Mss Stilivan, by the Duchess of Northumberland. M tss Go, de ich, by Viscounti,s Beresford. Miss Bu'ler, by her mother, Lady Butler. Mi,s Mary Phillipps, by Lady John Somerset. Miss Li,nsa Wynyard. by Mrs. Edsrrd 11'3 ityard. Miss Phillipps, by Lady John Somerset. Alice Duff Gordon, by her mother, Lady Duff Gordon. - Li !y Anni Maria Courtenay, by the Countesi Dowascr of Ctte'n-ster. Miss Mary Sulivan, by the Duchess of Northumberland. Hon. Louis.:l Knox, by Viscountess Northland, Lody Bloomfield, by * Lady Vivian. Lady Nightingale, by the Right Honoura'Ao Lady Brag.. brook e. Lady Lionel Smith, on her return from Jamaica. The Ho 3. Mrs. Leigh, by the Marchioness of Brel!. dr:lt:ace. M . ss Shuttleworth, by her mother. Mrs. Prederkk North, Miss t.;ross, by her mother, Lady Cross. Mrs. Susan Marshall, by Mrs. Marshall. Miss R:dley Colborne, by Mrs. Irdley Colborne, Miss Goldie, by Lady Lionel Smith. Miss Ashworth, by her mother, Lady Ashworth. Miss Catherine Stanley, by Mrs. Edward Stanley, Miss Gardiner, by Lady Gardiner. Alias E. Drummond, by the 1-I,m. Mrs. C. Drurnmunt Miss Maria Dickson, by Lady Chatterter, Miss Conollv, by Mrs. Conolly. Li m . Mrs Finch, by the Countess of Stanhope. The Hon. F. antis Julia Murray, by Lady Glenlyon. Hun. Miss Neville, by her mother. Lady 13ragbrooke. Mrs. W. R. Robinson, by Lady Vivian. Hon. Lady Birough, by the Dowager Countess of Chichester Hon. Charlotte Herbert, by her mother, Lady Lucy Clive. The Hon. Mrs. Fitzmaurice, by the nachiontss of Th:•mond. Miss Smith, daturlitcr of the Governor of Jamaica, by he.: mother, Lady Lionel Smith Hon. Mrs. Chalks Ponsonby, by Lady Kinnaird. M ss Sparliug, by Lady Poltimore. Miss Isabella Smith, daughter of the Governor of Jamaica, by her mother, Lady Lionel Smith. The Honourable Mrs. George Ponsonby, by the Lady Kinnaird. Mrs. Sparling, by Lady Poltimore. Miss Ornmanney, by Lady M•Grigor. Miss Katherina Ommanney, by Lath' M‘Greger. Mi , s Diana Ponsonby, by the Lady Kinnaird. M , .s. Green Wilkinson, by Lady Bridport. Miss 1.4; izabeth Carew, by Mrs. Palmer. Miss Filen Carew, by Mrs. Palmer. The Knights Grand Crosses of the several Orders of KniOithood present at the Drawing-room wore the Lirs of their respective Orders. Her Majesty and suite returned to Buckingham P4laeo after the Dra Queen wing-room. The remained at Lansdowne House on Wednes. day night until half-past twelve o'clock, when her Majesty left, accompanied by her Royal Highness the Duchess of K•snt. - Yesterday was the birth-dry of the Duchess of Glou cester. Her Royal Highness received congratulatory visi?s from the Members of the Royal Family at Glouces ter House. Her Royal Highness dined in the evening With the Duke aid Duchess of Cambridge et Cambridge II mse. A select party were invited to meet the Royal Duchess. The Duchess of Cambridge, a ttended by Barone ss Ahlefeldt and Baron Knesebeck, honoured the Duke o f Wellington with their company at dinner on Wednesday at Apsley House. Her Royal Highness after iards wcnt to the Concert of Ancient Music. Mr. Wilson, Governor of the Bahl; of Ireland, h a d an interview yet.terday with the Cha ncellor of the Etchtqur in Dos Wing. street. The Cabinet Council , held at the For eign Office ott W. dnesday afternoon , s at three hours. , Mr. Jam. s Heywood and Mr. George Wood had on tervicw ,yesterday with the Chancellor of th e Exchequer. LADIES' DRESSES. HER MAJESTY. A white net dress, over white satin, elegantly trimmed with 5.11 v. r blonde flounces ; the body and sleeves splen didly ornamented with diamonds ; train of rich pink and siher 1-ish poplin, lined with white satin and trimmed with silver blonde. Headdress, diamond diadem, feathers, and lappets. 11.1 Z R. THE DUCTIES3 OF KENT.—A white netdres! , i richly embroidered in gold and scarlet; the b°d a" U - . •-•.1 4 1:4 - 0 > , • 1 Q v ;7. 4 i...../.._;- . '.).,/ I r d 4, '5t."4 NT Ind 0 5 sir' oir abt 5 A ati d gea ,ere )1151