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PARLIAMENT, HOUSE. OF ITORDS, MAy 7. ROYAL ASOENT. _ At half past three o'clock the Earl of SHATTrs- BURY, the LORD CHANCELLOR, and the Mar quess of WINCHESTER, appeared as his Majesty's rourn:ssioners, and brought down the Royal Assent to the Irish and English Bank Cash Pay ments' Bill, the Irish Starch Duties Bill, and the African Company Abolition Bill. 'PETITIONS, &c. Lord AucKLArin presented a Petition from the Inhabitanfs of Wijitby, in the County of York, praying far the Revision of the Criminal Code.— Laid on the Wallace brought up a Message from the Commons, requesting a copy of the Report of their Lordehips' Committee on the Trade between the cast Indies and China. The request was agreed to, anil . the copy of the Re port delivered.--Mr. l3rogden, Mr. Holme Sum ner 2 and others, - ... brought up from the Commons the Scotch Hereditary Revenue, the Scotch Court of Admiralty, the Irish-Prison-Fees Abolition, the Scotch Court. - of Session's Fees, and . the Irish Court of Chancery Bilis. Read a first time.— Mr. Smith presented the Ninth Report of the Commissioners for Highland Roads and Bridges. :Laid on the table.—The. Irish Lunatic Asylum Bill went through a Committee, and was report ed.—The Earl of BELMORE presented a Petition - from the inhabitants of Luton, in the county of :6errford, - praying for a Revision of the Criminal Code.— Laid on the table.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. ROYAL COMMISSION. At a Treater to four the SPEAKER having taken the Chair ? the House was summoned by the De puty Usher of the Black Rod to the House-of Peers, in - order to hear the Royal Assent given by Comniission to certain Bills which had passed both Houses. - The SPEAKER, on his return, informed the House that the Royal Assent had been given by Commission to certain Bills, for which see the Report icy the L§rds. _ OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS. • Mr. Hutchinson, ft.om the Bank of England, brought up, an account of the interest payable-on Exchequer Bills ; a 'Mes senger from the Commissioners-of Ramsgate Harbour brought Zip die Ramsgate Harbour Trust Account; and a person from the African-CompanTbrought the Annual Account of the Mer chants trading to Africa.—Ordered to lie on the table. NEWINGTON SELECT VESTRIES' BILL. Mr. DENISON presented a petition from the Parish of All Saints, Wandsworth, against thtiNew ington Select Vestries' Bill. The Honourable Member supported the prayer of the petition, with which he entirely concurred. He stated; that the petition was most respectably and numerously signed, and had passed at a Vestry Meeting unanimously. He added, that it was ap prehended;if the Newington Vestries' Bill passed into a law, similar attempts would be made in other parishes. Mr. H. SUMNER said he would not oppose the reading of the petition ; but he did not conceive the petition was so re spectably signed as had been stated, or that it was an unani mous act of the parish ; he understood the meeting was very thinly attended. Mr. DENISON, in explanation, said, that the meeting had been most respectably attended, and the petition was carried unanimously.—Ordered to lie on the table. Lord W. BENTINCK postponed his notice of motion rela tive to Sicily which stood for this day, to the 15th inst. Lord NUGENT postponed his motion, which stood for yes- . terd ay, to the 23d-inst. presented a petition from the Fish mongers Company, who are proprietors of houses and land in the parish tf Newington, against the Newington Select Vestries Bill, and state(:•it to be his own opinion that the Bill went to establish a most improper precedent —Ordered to lie on the table. ' SUGAR DUTIES. Lord STANLEY moved for Returns of the Quantity of 1813 to imported from the West and East Indies, from the year leo to 1829, distinguishing the Quantity in each year.__ Ordered. Air. BARING presented a Petition from the Merchants, Ship-owners, and others trading to the East Indies : and resi dent in London, against the Bill for imposing an additional Duty on Sugars imported from the East Indies. The Ho nourable Member supported the Petition; and stated, that as the Right Hon. Gentleman had abandoned the essential part of the measure, he ought not to keep that which was only.vexA tious to the mercantile East India connexion, without being capable of producing any impartant advantage to the revenue. The Duty, as now proposed, was highly objectionable on two grounds, one because it went to discriminate between the qua lities of the commodity, and the other because it went to dis criminate between the countries in which it was raised. He contended that it could never be carried into effect, as a prac tical measure, without causing the greatest uncertainty and em barrassment to the persons trading with the East Indies, as they could never tell exactly to which duty the article would be rendered liable at the custom-house, on account of the diffi culty of ascertaining its origin and relative quality. The diffe- Tenee between Muscovado sugar and clayed sugar might be more easily distinguished, but not so between the several qua lities of the latter. If the measure was to be persevered in, he -would oppose it more at length, but at present he would con zeta himself with bringing up the Petition. The CHANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER said a *.v words, but in so low a tone of voice as not to be audible in the Gallery. He seemed to argue that the duty was necessary for the protection of the West Indian Interests, and that the vexation and embarrassment stated to result from it would not follow, as the duties could be readily ascertained by the relative fineness of the commodity. Mr. BARING, in explanation, re-stated his former objec tions—The Petition was ordered to be printed. General GASCOIGNE presented a similar Petition from the Merchants and Traders of Liverpool, which, after a frnv words from the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Mr. Bernal, was ordered to be printed. IRISH AGRICULTURE. Sir J. NEWPORT presented a Petition from the Chamber of Commerce of Viraterford„ against the present mode of strik ing the averages of Corn. HARE presented a Petition from the Agriculturists of the County of Cork, praying for protection to the Agriculture of Ireland. Mr. C. HUTCHINSON argued in favour of the Petition. He objected to the present mode of taking the averages, as in jurious to the trade with Ireland. He said, that the Corn Trade of Ireland ought to be protected, instead of that with the Continent ; Ireland was not a manufacturing country, and -therefore it was of the last and most vital importance that her Agriculture should have the benefit of some well regulated protection. He maintained, that to allow the Beard.of Excise to compel the Irish Distiller to alter the strength of his spirit before the introduction of it into this country, was a viola= of the 6th clause of the Act of Union. On the same principle la similar charge might be made in every other article of Ilia; manufacture. It was too late now for the Chancellor of the Exchequer to say that it was too strong for British constitu tiens. Great Britain ought either to take Irish spirits, or give Ireland back her Legislature. Mr. D. BROWNE concurred in the observations of his llonourable Friend the Member for Cork. Mr. W. SMITH said, that the case was now before a legal tribunal; but that, in his opinion, the Honourable Gentlemen were decidedly in error. The Petition was then read, and ordered to be printed. Mr. HARE also presented a Petition from the Coroners of .the County of Cork, praying for the repeal of the Act of lest Saviion, for the regulation of the Office of Coroner in Ireland. After a few words from Mr. D. Browne and Mr. Hutchin son, the Petition was ordered to lie on the Table. The Marquess of TAVISTOCK presented a Petition from , in the County of Bedford, praying for the amelioration of the Criminal Law.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. H. CLIVE' presented a Return of the Number of Per sons prosecuted, in Ireland, for Sedition and Blasphemy, since 1810.—Ordered to be printed. Sir R. WILSON presented a Petition from a number of Persons engaged in the Manufacture of Leather, complaining of the great injury which they sustained from the introduction of machinery, and praying for redress. - On the motion, that the Petition be brought up-- Mr. W. SMITH, while he expressed the pain with which he Aways opposed any thing that had even the semblance of re-, rie:ing - thellist,-I . Cif the-lower orders, declared that he could never hear sueh doctr:neS aS those contained in the present Peti tion, wltheut bearing his testimony to their total absurdity. If, such principles were OrlC2 to be acted upon, the Legislature must not stop until they reduced man to toe unassisted state in which he came into the world. The loom must be abolished, for that was a complicated piece of inlkchintry. The plouo must be abolished, for that. vas a-piece of macoinery which in one day performed the labour of above 40 men. The very ham mer which made the Table of the House, was a piece. of machinery. The nails which fastened its parts- together. were the produce of machinery. Eut vain would be any attempt to drive machinery out of the world, even were the Legislature of this country and of every country under heaven .unanimons in making the attempt. . The principles on which it was, and always would be maintainzd, were founded on the most obvious and irresistible truths. Aft,2r a fz.w words from Sir R. WILSON, the Petition was breught up, - .Tad, and ardered to be printed. Colonel DAVIES gave notice that on the 22d instant, he :vould move ftr the appointment . of a Committee to examine into the adulteration of Clover and Trefoil. JOHN BULL. • Mr RENNET gave notice that ile would to-morrow call we attention of the House to a Libel in the Sunday. Newspaper called .10IIN Mr. (:OURTENAY gave notice that on the 22d instant, he would submit to, the - House a Motion respecting the Claims of the,Aincrimn Loyalists. STEAM ENGINES BILL. Mr. M. A: TAYLOR moved: the order of the day for the House going into a Committee upon the Steam Engines Bill. Mr. LITTLETON, - after remarking upon the inconveni ence which the operation of the Bill would create to large iron founderies and ether establishments of an extensive nature, in compelling them to employ the •r aired apparatus.at so short a notice, suggested the propriety of postponing it to another. year. 'lf the - Hon. Member refused to accede to his proposal, lle gave notice that he should move a clause in the Committee for exempting such manufactories as those to which he had al luded from the operation of the Bill. Mr. J. SMITH was surprised at the objections which had been made by his Hon: Friend, if he would allow him to call him so, when he heard that they were confined to the operation of the Bikl upon the rich classes alone. At. the same time he 'seemed to forget the injury which the poorer classes suffered from the existence of the steam engines in their present state. He could name a class - of poor persons in London who so suf fered; he meant the humble class who got their livelihood by washing. If a steam engine was at present established in the neighbourhood of the residence of one of these poor people, their occupation was destroyed altogether. Mr. CALVERT supported the Bill. He himself had a steam engine, and the smoke consumer had been applied to, it with the greatest good effect Ile could himself, by just turning it, destroy a large volume of smoke in one-minute. A printed paper had been put into his hands at the door, which, as it was calculated to mislead; he felt bound to notice. The paper stated that the apparatus employed at the steam engines of Messrs. Barclay and Co., had entirely failed. s ilt was true that at one time the apparatus did net act with effect; but he had seen a letterfrom Mr. Perkins, stating that they had discovered that the cause of failure originated in the • misconduct of a ser vant, who, actuated by malicious, or some other motives un known, had purposely counteracted the intended effect. Mr. D. GILBERT thought 'nothing more likely to prove fallacious than the opinions founded upon experiinents of this nature. It 'must be known to the House that numbers of fa - - unfits were Supportedin several - parts of the country upon esta blishments 'conducted' by steam engines ; and he thought the House should pause before they passed a Bill, which, by en couraging vexatious proceedings, would have a tendency to weaken those establishments. If, however, the Hon. Mover would introduce a clause for exempting the mining and large manufacturing districts from the operation of the Bill, he should not oppose the motion fbr the House now going into a Committee.' Mr. F. BUXTON - opposed the Bill. - He declared that, in his own cage, he fotind it impossible to carry the proposed enactment into effect. The Hon. Member said, he thought, at all events, time should be given for considering the subject more fully and, - with that vied', he moved, as an amendment, that the house should go into a - Committee that day six months. Colonel WOOD said, he had received several communica tions from the countyle had the honour to represent, stating, that the Bill could not be carried ,into effect without occasion in a very serious expence to individuals. He trusted the Hon. ver would consent to postpohe the measure. Mr. MABERLY trusted the Hon. _Mover would postpone the considefation of the Bill, as; in its present shape, it-went to compel the-trying of-experiments. The courts of law would have to try the merit of every-experiment suggested by every projector. -He thought the Hon. Mover was bound to shew that the Bill could be carried into effect. Mr. C URWEN supported the Bill.—He was convinced, from the experiments he had made, that the proposed alteration would cause an ultimate saving. Mr. M. A. TAYLOR in reply said, he was content to leave the whole question to the House, satisfied, as he was, that if the present law upon the subject were distinctly understood, the Bill would be supported. He -did not introduce any new law, but merely-promoted the operation of the old. As the law now stood, every proprietor of a steam engine could be prosecuted if the working of it tended to injure the health, the property, or the convenience of any individual. The Bill enabled the Courts, in - cases where a jury had decided the question of nuisance, but in no other case, to order the defendant to make a compensation to the prosecutor. With respect to any pro posed exemption, he saw no reason for confining the Bill to the Metropolis-and to great towns. The evil was general, and the remedy should be correspondent with it. The different letters he had received on the subject, would take three hours in the reading, but as the House must be perfectly aware of the evil, he should not trespass on their patience by reading any of these letters. He had only to observe, that when he had first intro duced the Bill, lie met with general support ; but now as it was found particular interests were likely to be affected, he was en countered by every kind of opposition. General GASCOYNE, in opposition to the Bill, read a let ter from tire proprietors of a large establishment at Liverpool, stating that tne new plan increased not only the smoke, but the quantity of requisite fuel. _ Mr. PHILLIPS said, that as such difference of opinion ex isted on the subject, a delay would be advisable, especially as , it did not appear that any material inconvenience would arise from it. it was generally thought that some new principle had been discovered, but this was not the case. Mr. 'Watt obtained a patent in the year 1785, for the consumption of smoke, and even his plan had been in practice before. If, however, the Bill shouldpass, he saw no reason for making its application merely local. The Marquess of LONDONDERRY here suggested a post ' ponernent of the debate, as it was necessary the House should go into a Committee-of Supply. Mr. 111. A. TAYLOR was disposed to acquiesce in the sug gestion ; but the sense of the House appeared to be in favour of proceeding with the discussion. Mr. BUXTON declared he should divide the House, as there appeared a wish to make this Bill press chiefly upon the metropolis. After a few words from Mr. CALVERT and Mr. BUXTON, Mr. MARYATT- spoke in favour of the Bill. He referred to a large manufactory at Whitechapel, in which the proposed alteration had been adopted with success. Mr. Alderman WOOD rose amid general cries of " Ques tion !" He trusted the Hon. Mover would consent to except mining districts from the operation of the Bill. He admitted that he had seen a manufactory, in which the new plan had been adopted with effect. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House di vided, when there appeared— - For the original motion _- - - - - 83 For Mr. Icturton's amendment - - - Majority - - - - - _ 54 The House then went into a-Committee, pro forma, and im mediately resumed. -The Report was ordered to be received 'to-morrow, and the discussion upon the third reading was fixed for Thursday. - SUPPLY.—RUSSIAN ARMY. The Marquess Of LONDONDERRY, in rising to move the Order of the Day, that the House should resolve itself into a Committee of Supply, expressed a hope that he might be permitted to advert for a few moments to a question which had been under discussion on a former evening.— When Hon. Members had on a former evening introduced the subject of the operations of the Russian army, he was only able to give an argu mentative answer. He then stated that those troops having been put in motion °nig for a spe cific purpose, that purpose havinebeen achieved, it was to be presumed that their operations would be changed; Though he was not able. to say that the march of the Russian army would be suspended, he felt himself entitled to state, that the circumstances in Piedmont which induced a call for support from Austria being at an end, a change must necessarily take place in the move ments of the Russian troops. He now felt him self in a situation to inform the House, that the Russian army was not to pass its own frontier.— (Hear,- hear, hear!)—He felt " himself bound to make this statement, both in justice to the House and to the Illustrious personages whose characters had been so improperly, so illiberally, and so unjustly treated bY 'some...Hon. Gentlemen on the other side. if Hon. AlNnbers would * take upon themselves to get up andsatcuse trious Personages with an intention of overturn ing the liberties of Europe, he should feel him self bound most solemnly - to pfotest against such unfounded accusations. He must protest also against the charge'made against those Illustrious Personages. of wishing to aggrandize themselves at the expence of the other European Powers.— (Hear, hear !)—On the contrary, he had before stated, and-he now repeated that statement,' that nothing had come-to his knowledge which could lead him to believe that' those Powers were actuated by any sinister view of aggrandise ' meat, or of increase of power, in their interference with Naples. He said, down to the last moment of those accusations, that no such intention existed, and from what he had since known, so far from being altered he was confirmed in that opinion. -He was now prepared to state the real causes which caused the Russian army to be: put in motion. -The situation of the King of Sardinia was such,, that having great portion of his own army disbanded, he ° felt it necessary to call upon Austria to quell the dis turbances which had arisen in his kingdom. To this demand the Emperorof Austria replied, that however anxious he might be to afford assistance in support of their common interest, yet he did not wish to expose himself to the imputation which might be cast upon him by Foreign Powers, of a wish to extend his power'and dominion in Italy. But in order to avoid this, he (the Em peror of Austria) would - apply to his' Ally, the Emperor of Russia, and would endeavour to pre vail upon him, to allow a portion of his army-of 100,000 men, who were then in motion, to ad vance towards Piedmont. He .accordingly pro posed that from twenty-five thousand to thirty thousand Russians might be put hi motion for this purpose. The Emperor of Russia said that lie also was particularly anxious to guard him self against an imputation. to which he would lay himself open by such - a movement; and he begged it_ to be particularly understood that, in any interference on his part, he disclaimed any intention of aggrandizement or additional influ ence in the countries into which his armies were to march.—(Hear, hear I)—From the moment, however, that the Russian troops had been put in motion, it was broadly asserted that their object was to proceed to Spain. That charge he had before rebutted by inference—he now gave it a more decided contradiction. It was made, as many other charges were; in a visionary manner, and without any foundation whatever. He trusted that this explanation would be satisfactory to the House and the country.—(Hear, hear, hear !)—The Noble Marquess concluded by moving the Order of the Day, that the House should resolve itself into a Committee of Supply. Lord MILTON observed, that both the House and the Country must feel much satisfaction at hearing the explanation of the Noble Marquess. But though he agreed with the-Noble Lord that it was unfair to assume facts, and then argue upon them as proved, yet he felt himself bound to support the right of that House to canvass the conduct of any Continental Power. 'There were two modes of aggrandising Sovereigns ; one was at the expence of other nations—the other, at the expence of the people. This was a line of conduct much to be dreaded. He did not know that it was not as serious a charge against Charles 11. that he attempted to introduce foreign troops to put down the spirit of the people of this country as that made against Louis XIV., for having received money for endeavouring to put down the spirit of the people of England. After what we had seen of the conduct of Prus sia, where promises of a Constitution were hourly made and broken, it was rather too much to be told that we ought not to look with great jealousy to the conduct of foreign powers. - Mr. WARRE implored' the House not to for get that the present conduct of Russsia could be viewed in no other light than as an abstaining from crime. It was well observed, that, fortu nately for the liberties of mankind, there was yet one corner of Europe in which even the conduct of Sovereigns could be discussed and censured. The hopes and liberties of Europe must sink to despair, :were it not for - the efforts of that one corner, which was England. • The Marquess of LONDONDERRY explained. He could not make hiniself answerable for the conduct of any individual, but he had no doubt the Emperor of Russia understood his true glory too well to meditate any aggrandisement on the side of Turkey. Mr. DENMAN said, after the experience they had had of the usurpation of Finland by Russia, the transfer of Norway and Genoa, the seizure of Venice, and the recent invasion of Naples, the suspicion of his Hon. Friends, that the Emperor of Russia had meditated an attack upon Spain, was not unwarranted by the rules of reasoning. After a few words from the Marquess of Los- DONDERRY and Mr. _DENATAN, the conversation dropped. NAVY ESTIMATES. The Order of the Day for the House going into a Committee of Supply was then read. On the question that the Speaker should leave the Chair, Mr. HUME rose, and calling the attention of the Hon. Member opposite to the proposed vote respecting the works in the dock yard at Sheer ness, begged to be informed whether there would be any objection to postpone the vote until the result should be known of a correspondence be tween the Admiralty awl another office on the subject, &r to go into a Committee for the pur pose of inquiring into the- necessity of those works, The Honourable Member then went into some details, sheaving that the total oxpence of working in this dock yard since 1,810 was up wards of a million, and that 900,0001. were now required for improvements in the works. Ile thought it impossible that the House would pro ceed to a vote for this sum without the most satisfactory information. Sir GEORGE WARRENDER said, lie thought it had been understood that the discussion was to be postponed until each particular vote came to be considered. There was not the least objec tion to give the fullest information upon every part of the subject. The fact was, that there was a distinction. between the works in the old and thOke in the nelir yard.. The new works would be cOznplete4 for 30,0045/. !eryiban,She sum originally proposett; and these works had been going on for five years. lie should be happy to explain every item on coming to the vote, and he trusted he should be able to satisfy the lion. Member; but a very inconvenient delay would take place by waiting for the papers in question. Mr. WAnnr. said this was the proper time for the House to know what it was about. Last year he knew that in these Estimates a sum of 170,0001. had been voted for completing the works in question, and he now saw an additional sum of 953,000/. also for completing. It was a matter of indifference whether the works were in the new or old yard. It was clear that an Es timate was now proposed which had not been in tended last year: Sir B. MARTIN spoke briefly in support of the Estimate. Mr. HustE said, that under circumstances which produced estimates so various from each other, he felt it his duty to move an amendment to the original motion. This he should_ do in the shape of a Resolution; declaring the- sums voted, and now demanded, proved the necessity of strict inquiry before coming to the -vote now called for. There were many items put down as uncertain, and as the Report he had quoted re commended that they should never vote money away without knowing how it was to be applied, this deficiency in the estimates strengthened his wish for a Committee of Inquiry. lie hoped, therefore, he should not be opposed in his mo tion. He confessed he was the more anxious for inquiry on this subject, as he had heard from many scientific and naval men of expe rience, that there existed some doubts as to the propriety .of continuing Sheerness as a naval station, and that it' was in Contemplation to remove the estahlishment to Chatham, the in vention of steam: vessels having now made. it possible to. get vessels of any size to the latter place, which at the time - of making .the Dock-. yard at Sheerness was .the .only objection to Chatham.- The lion. Gentleman concluded by moving, as an Amendment to the - question," that the Speaker leave the Chair," a Resolution to the effect,." That it appeared that the sum of 1,147,0001. had been voted during the last eleven years for the improvement of the Dock-yard at Sheerness ; and it also appeared that a further sum woulil be required •fo - r the purpose of corn pleting those improvements, making with that already expended, upwards of two millions.— That the further. sum was now required not withstanding declarations on occasion of two former votes, that they would be the last, and that under these conflicting circumstances, it was expedient to appoint a Committee of Inquiry be fore granting thin vote." Sir G. -COCKBURN observed, that the repairs and improvements for which this grant was re quired were already begun, and it was therefore necessary to go on with them, otherwise they would sustain considerable injury. Sir JOSEPH YORKE said he should like to be informed - who were the clever personages' that had informed the Hon. Member Chatham was better than Sheerness as a dock yard. In the former, vessels were very apt to run upon their moorings. Chatham was by no means the best adapted for the purposes required : besides, Sheerness contained an expanse of water suffi cient to contain 100 line of battle ships. In the former it had been found that many of the ships were worm-eaten, and Sheerness was adopted in consequence. This was at the time of the ex pedition to Antwerp. He was persuaded that the stoppage-of the works would render a disservice to the colintry. - Sir I. COFFIN agreed that it would be highly inconvenient to stop the works. Mr. BENNET 'Faid, the motion of his lion. Friend had been completely misunderstood. His Hon. Friend did not ask the Muse to stop the SuPplies: Ile Merely :said, "We have been so often deceived, that we ought_ not to vote money without previous information." If- the former plan had failed, it was by no means im probable, that the plan now proposed would also fail. If 'the House went honestly to work, the truth would be.extracted in a Committee. Se veral sums were asked without any estimate at all. No - proposition was more fair than that of his Hon—Friend. He merely asked them to look before they leaped. Sir GEORGE COCK.BURN explained. Sir GEORGE WARRENDER said, all the points would be explained in the Committee. The for mer estithates had had the sanction of the House, and it therefore was not fair to press upon the variance between them and those for the present year. Mr. IfuNtE explained.—All he desired was a Committee to inquire. He had not the slightest wish to -cause any inconvenience by the delay, and he would therefore-suggest a temporary vote of 50,000/. to colitinuestbe works for two or' throe weeks pending the inquiry. Mr. WARRE 'spoke its favour of the Amend ment. The House then divided on the Amend ment, when the -numbers were— Par the Amendment • - .* 27 Against it - - - - - - •82 • Majority for the Original Motion —.55 COMMITTEE, OP SUPPLY. The Douse having resolved itself into a Com mittee of Supply, Sir G. WARIMNDER moved that the sum of 50,967/31s. Gd: be granted to his Majesty, to defray the expences of the diffeient Victualling Yards. • Mr. if.EnNAL objected to the amount of this vote - on account of an useless piece of extrava gance in the keeping up hulks attached to most of the Naval stations, for the purpose of receiving victualling stores, from which to victual the dif ferent skips. Ire thought the ships should be allowed, as formerly, to send their boats to the Office. Sir B:MAIITI:N shewed that this 'system was in fact an extremely economical one, and .saved great deal of money to the public, by the p3'o6 - mity of the depot to the vessels, and the conse quent facility and dispatch with which they were victualled. Mr. lIUME asked whWer theft was any In' creaskili the expence or.the,Deptford Yarid, ag he pkerkied, fliatipNtile fast three years there had been a gradual increase in the amount of til e estimate. We wished also to know if there Wt ls any likelihood of a diminution being made in fu ture years ? Sir Q. COCKBURN said it was certainly intended to make such reductions as should appear eligible. After a few words from Mr. WARRE, the gra'' was agreed to. The next grant was, 70,9621. 4s. Gd. ror de' fraying the expence of the Medical Establish ments, which, after a few words from Mr. Ho" . and Sir G. CocKarluaN, was agreed to.—Th e next grant was, 6,9561. 16s. 3d. for the College. of Naval Architecture. . Sir J..YORKE asked whether any security was taken from the Students in, this College, that they would not go over to. America or some other ro reign Power, thereby, instead of _giving this country the benefit of their instruction, :r.lakin ,,, use of it against it. Sir I. COFFIN said, it was not likely that Arne" rica, or any other Power, would take shipivrigilts from this country, as it was proved by all the ships we had taken from them, that they• o3 ' their ships much better than we did. • Sir G. COCKBURN said, that it was for th e very reason stated. by the Hon. Baronet Sir a Coffin), that it was found necessary to appoin t school for instruction in th a t i m p or t an t broch ° , knowledge. The number or st u d e nts wasllwl';' ed to 22, and it had,*not . been thought neceso r ' sr to take any security of the nature alludes-1 0 ,,,, the Honourable M e mb er . Th e V o t e was agreed to. f ° .. r On the motion for the grant of 105,390' „- the wages of officers, shipbuilders 3 and men " t tached to the Dock Yard, . Mr. Humg wished to know whether the crew or officers of the Royal yachts were upon itl o Pay all the year round, as it appeared s urve a , • were. The lion. Member made some obser c io tions as to the increased expellee of late year s " • consequence of the fitting up of three yachts. Sir G. COCKBURN said, that the Mate and , ' ; 4 1 ,1 1 ; goon_ of the Royal yacht were on full pay. k , men were taken from the labourers in the ri' c ' J O yards ; but in point of the expellees of fit linv ia , the yachts, he hoped the House would not grt . z t , the King's having a ship fitted up in Oil though not extravagant style.—(iiaar!)--A.seuse Sovereign of these islands, he thought the I',,,rst ought to feel pride in his going to sea in the style.—(llear !) The following Grants were then'vote d 1 .0 For victualling ships in ordinary - - ''110 114 4 ) For harbour mooring and rigging - 2107°' Ordinary repairs in dock-yards - s tio n ' On the latter vote being put to the qu'' - . 0 01; 5 Sir J. YORKE said he was disappointed l'lssia:.4 item being as, it stood exactly last expected a reduction. o f 6 15 Sir 13. MARTIN said that the amoun t s ' t vote would not appear extraordinary' Qar was considered that there were seven Doc . ` OO u iv and - that almost all the ships in cornrois' derwent a trimming in dock every year' f o r t' i ' Mr. CROKER stated, that the vo te f o r f`'`' purpose in 1817, was 50,0001. more than of present year. h a lf-1 4; The next grant 'was 970,4001. as Officers in the Navy. ce of r Mr. BENNET remarked on the abs e s " as of fr d : propriate regulations in the Navy in e 3 e o f tiar sanity in the Officers. He stated a 91: we re i" . " ship upon two Ladies whose husban" sane, but who had beet refused a Pe ns e re gu " Sir G. COCKBURN - stated that ' t ta ke l' r° ot acted upon by the Admiralty, w 3 s who were per care of those insane office''' tha t pvl", s if married, appropriating their pay t oo take ili; and, where they were married, sob' of their pay for that purpose.- ds on 01 . 0 Sir J. NEWPORT said a feW wot 9 jest. ,ntio" h i s inti of tiiO Mr. BUXTON gave notice Of •„leration bring this subject under the eons' s " d obK r . House at a fature time, but he wis" e _, na rt in the meantime,. that the princ! P' ans r ic ere 2l / Hon. Friend's cag- had not been . 05 6(1 1 ' . :so ; in (I IN • as to the .treatmelt of the TA'ad.e - kom e v i ct r l officer, who had was his lion. Friend's wish t o , the s" t , st ioil should not be entitled to•the Mrn, as though he had last a limb. the coo " babiY t ` h have Mr. CROKER observed, that Pr°, t p s t 7 o no duct of the individualS 'thernse' v : t he arr been the means of their not reeelvlnig:t was e kr b i o . s , lost Ids reason ti.coosid„), of allowance which they desis, ol, o f their gat that they had received the lialf - P'? ) 1 1t , was . , f h e bands at a time when aware of it, or would not have per!' regulations of the Admiralty on 0 lion. i i:cs ie u t u it ' i u as had been stated by o der Cockburn), and he thought theyramunk. The }s `' a the eircinnstaures, be more equ, 1 . 1 62 ro iati" ns com ,„ t l h li e s of the Officers' pay was issued ~i joo of a from . the op voi d great legal risk, as it was ~ ,0 0l d 5 petentlawyer, that an. action_rtaer o f the a “ tfacer wh° hail lo st as it.ohrethreelantlioonnesyagsoaiiitssstutehde.Tres“,o%it come for There *as no doubt that all, coun try, lost his reason in the •.Ser;,•iee of leis though h e loci muttony ex hil\l Cilog" Mr. BENNET an& r• d f a llen from planted. • chat mu s c l he d n ). t . it . lel to a pension as trion= - h e Adnl " 3 here had the Hon. Secretary to t Lord MILTON tood, that t t of 010 it ought to be Clearly t inders ths , par • nduct .0i; been no fraudulent co two ladies. . • 1 only been some • there - Mr. Citorcra said, , I ay o f tot - • 11/ .15' irregularity 0:1 the part , .half. . / ,,,y of t," ofx in - ladies receiving tt!,,,,,..n.;:.aity been zo%are bards, which 'bad he it a s “) 1.) ‘" • 'they would have pi ~ said, a fter. it., he thought fter a, fe w . words fro!. r 7..