The Sun. — London, England, 1844-02-20 00:00:00

SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS. STANDARD. Men of all parties are asking how it was that the Noble Mover of the Irish resolutions in the House of Lords was left " alone in his glory" by every member of the ex-Cabinet ! Lord Ripon's speech cer tainly reduced them to a pitiable condition. According to Lord Campbell, the Marquis of Lansdowne was taken ill, and as he intended to speak, the debate was courteously adjourned from Tuesday to Thursday. Thursday came, but not a word came from Lord Lansdowne 1 This was passing strange, after the adjournment and the rea son assigned for asking it. Not a word from any one of the ex-Cabinet, though the debate originated with a member of that Cabinet. Of course Lord Lansdowne must have intended to speak, as the adjournment took place chiefly to give him an op portunity of doing so. What a tribute, then, was it to Lord Ripon's excellence, that after a day and night's consideration, by far the most elo quent of the Whig Cabinet relinquished his intention of replying to it. But there was some law involved in the discussion, at least it was so enunciated by the Whig organs. This was clearly a mistake, or the ex-Chancel lor of Ireland would assuredly not have been silent. His whole professional life was spent in the courts of common law—he was 12 years Attorney-General for England. In matters of law there is not to be found a more com petent authority. Surely, then, the doctrines of the Irish Chief Justice could not possibly have received a stronger or more flattering assent than that acorded by his silence. After all, the division might just as well have taken place on Tuesday. Of course, the absence of the Noble Lord who left the House ill was the " sole" cause why it %I not. Others assign a different reason. Was Lord Duicannon unluckily, absent from town, with the Whig proxies in his pocket, or locked up ? GLOBE.—The Pro-Corn-law League has met with a repulse in one of its strong-holds. Somersetshire, agri cultural though it be, has pronounced against the Corn laws, adopted a free trade resolution, and a petition to the Legislature founded upon it. The meeting at which these reiults were obtained was a legitimate county meeting, convened by the High Sheriff, in pursuance of a requisition presented to him, numerously signed by the, principal landowners of the county, and several of their tenants.. -Most pf, the representatives of the leading families and alarge number of clergymen were present. The meeting, which:was held at Bridgewater on Friday last, consisted of at least 4,000 persons. Notwithstanding the manifest advantages to the landowners from a meeting so convened in such a county, the defeat of the monopolist resolutions was decisive. The effect of such a defeat upon other county meetings will be most dis couraging. The Premier's declaration in favour of the sliding-scale, and his determination to stand or fall by it—wrung from him, as that declaration was, by the demonstrations got up by the landlords to fright him into . a pledge in favour of protection—has fallen powerless upon the confederation formed against mono poly. The Premier may pledge himself; and the land lords may take counsel together how best to counteract its influence on the country ; but their united efforts will be vain. The question has taken too firm a hold upon the sympathies of the nation to be settled by such means as they propose. The mischief's of the sliding-scale will be made the more manifest by their efforts to bolster it up against the assailants ; whom they have provoked by their perti nacity, and encouraged to persevere by their senseless refusal to be instructed by what is taking place before their eyes. There is not now a practical man in the country who does not see that it is utterly impossible to maintain the existing system. The question has re solved itself into a moderate fixed duty upon corn im ported from foreign countries, or a total abolition of all duty. Every week, almost every day, furnishes some fresh proof of the danger of delay. Within the House of Commons, and outside its walls, one influential indi vidual after another declares that, as between the pre sent system and total abolition, the preponderance of advantage to the public interests is vastly in favour of the latter. The thinking portion of the tenant-farmers, were they polled to-morrow, would affirm the same truth. The conduct of Sir Robert Peel on this subject has infused a spirit of mutation into aoricultural pursuits, and given rise to well-founded sus picions of his sincerity, and more of his ability, to sus tain the position he has assumed by his recent decla ration. And yet, amid all these portentous indications of impending destruction to their cherished system, the monopolist body, incapable of estimating their position, vainly hope that the fast-sinking vessel, in which they have embarked, will weather the storm, right itself; and again get into smooth water! Sir Alexander Hood was the champion to whom the monopolist party committed their cause. The worthy Baronet duly appreciated the honour thus conferred on him, and certainly exposed himself most gallantly in its behalf. He felt as sured of triumph, and congratulated the gentlemen on the hustings, by whose means the meeting had been called, that " they found themselves supported by the yeomanry, the tenantry, the gentry, and he would say the labourer too —(' No, no,' and great uproar)—in de nouncing what could be called by no other name than the revolutionary proceedings of the League.—(Cheers and groans.) He rejoiced : it was one of the happiest days of his life to see the yeomanry of the county of So merset coming forward and, like men, prepared to take their stand, if needs be, foot to foot and breast to breast, against the enemies of their property, their peace, and their prosperity." Sir A. Hood evidently feels that the hope of the landowners rests upon their purse, rather than upon any principles they can put forth, or any arguments they can employ against free trade. Hence he invoked large pecuniary contributions—contributions which must be '• much larger than those the Anti-Corn-law League can obtain." How these contributions are to be employed be said not. It is evident, however, that the worthy Baronet has an eye to the old Tory practices at elections, by which the monopolist-upholding majority in the House of Commons may be kept up. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. (YESTERDAY.) CLERKENWELL. John Wasty, a private in the 49th regiment of infantry, was charged with stealing two silver forks, the property of John Spurgin, Esq., M.D., 38, Guildford-street, Russell square, and Duplands, Bradwell, Essex. • ' The prisoner has lately returned with his regiment from China, and wrote to Dr. Spurgin, on his arrival in Ports mouth, where the regiment was quartered, informing him that he *as the son of his old coachman, and soliciting as sistance. The doctor replied in a favourable manner ; and on Saturday morning last the prisoner came in his military uniform, to Guildford-street, and having shown the prose cutor's reply, was admitted into the kitchen, where he was hospitably treated. When Dr. Spurgin returned home at four o'clock, the prisoner introduced himself to him, and having been recognised as the son of an old servant, received a sovereign. The prisoner stooped for the purpose of placing the money in his magazine (a little pouch for per cussion caps) when the Doctor saw the handle of a silver folk projecting from his waistcoat. He rang the bell, and the butler, on examining him, found the two forks concealed beneath his waistcoat. The prisoner on his way to the station-house was base enough to say that Payne the servant had placed the forks in his dress. The prisoner said he was drunk at the time, and knew not what he was doing. He prbduced his furlough, and declared that his conduct as a soldier had received the approbation of his superior officers. - Mr. GREENWOOD, after observing on the baseness of the the prisoner's attempt to criminate an innocent man, com mitted him for trial. John Evdns, a stout-built young man, was charged with creating a disturbance at the Clerkenwell workhouse. George Smith, porter at the workhouse, deposed that at eleven o'clock on Saturday night last, the prisoner came to the door of the workhouse, and applied for a night's lodging. Witness refused to admit him, because he had been insensibly drunk On the Saturday before. - Mr..GßEF—Nrwooo—That was a very bad reason. Witness--He transgressed very much on various occasions. Mr. GREEarwoon--But surely a man should not be allowed to starve to death because he behaved ill on the previous week. The witness then said the prisoner was drunk, and that he witness had directed him to go to one of the overseers. He said he would continue knocking until he was let in or taken into custody, and as he commenced to knock afresh, and with violence, witness gave him into custody. At the station, witness perceiving that he was passing his hand across his throat m a very strange manner, seized him, and found that he had been endeavouring to cut his throat with a case knife, which he held in his hand. Police-constable, 112 G, confirmed Smith's testimony, and added, that so determined did the prisoner seem to destroy himself, that it required the combined exertions of three policemen to disarm him. In answer to further questions from the bench, Smith said the prisoner had been working in the Yard of Industry on Saturday, and earned a shilling, ninepence halfpenny of which he hail in his pocket when arrested. Had never con sidered him insane. Mr. GREENWOOD asked the prisoner why he attempted to destroy himself ? Prisoner—l would have cut my throat sooner than be put in prison, where I never was before. I earned a shilling on Saturday, but some days I do not earn more than sixpence or sevenpence in the Yard of Industry. I was not drunk. The prisoner having promised the Magistrate to go back to the workhouse, was discharged, Mr. GREENWOOD telling the porter that the prisoner's having been drunk was quite a sufficient reasan to refuse his admission. The Magistrate di rected the police to withhold the knife. Joseph Murray, an ill-looking fellow, was charged with violently assaulting Mr. Neville, a bootmaker, residing in St. John-street, and committing a robbery at his house, in con junction with Alfred and James Beevy, now in custody. On Saturday morning police constable Redmond, EF 24, accompanied by Inspector Barton and another officer of the G division, arrested the prisoner in bed in a house in Wych street, Strand. Redmond told him of the nature of the charge against him, upon which he said, " Oh, that is it, is it ?" On his way to the station-house, the prisoner, when informed that two other persons were arrested for the offence, said eagerly, " Who are they ?" and having been told, in quired if any of them had turned Queen's evidence? In the outer coat which the prisoner wore was a quantity of skeleton keys; an article of the same kind was in his trousers' kt. Inspector Barton found in a d rawer in the prisoner ' poe e rnent a life-preserver, similar t o one which was pr°(l s uc ap ed a on Saturday. and a large number of house-breaking implements. The prisoner at the station-house rema r k e d that he must out of it the best way he could. Ile was t a k en to Mr. get out and the wounded man identified him as the person who had struck him twice with the life-preserver on the head, and knocked the candle out of his hand. Theprisoner quietly exclaimed, " Oh, you may be mistaken now. , Mr. Macey, Superintendent of the G Division, produced a surgeon's certificate of the state of the prosecutor, and added that the poor man seemed very ill indeed.—The prisoner was remanded. Amelia Leman was charged with robbing her master, Mr. Stephen White, a surgeon, residing at No. I, Lamb's Con duit-street, of plate and wearing, apparel, to a very large amount. The prisoner entered Mr. White's service about three months ago, and from the very first week carried on an .ex 7 tensive system of plunder I "silver, spoons, books, and even the very blankets off the bed, were transmitted to the pawn shop. The robberies were ctscOvered last. Sunday by Dl* White, who found a large number of duplicates in a stocking underneath the prisoners bed, which related to the - stolen property. When arrested she gaVe up eighteen other dupli cates. She had brought-a false character to Mrs. White s fox' she subsequ,mtly confessed herself a married - woman, Mitt alleged that liter husband's name was Reeves. The prisoner was sent for trial to the Old Bailey. WORSHIP-STREET. PrlEsmilusm.—William Bowen, a pale-faced and emaciated young man, was charged before Mr. Bingham with having stolen a linen sheet that bad been entrusted to his landlady for the purpose of being washed, The prisoner, w:.o stood at the bar with his eyes closed, and supported by the gaoler, was the object of general curiosity, as he was said to be in a state of mesmeric trance, which had lasted 35 hours. Police-constable Kemp, N 82, stated that about eight o'clock on Satutday evening he was 'called into the shop of a pawnbroker, in Pitfield-street, Hoxton, where he found the prisoner, who was - given into custody by the shopman on suspicion of having stolen a sheet which he had tendered far a pledge. On being asked his name, the prisoner, who was then wide awake, said that it was Henry Hodges, and that the article was his own property ; but after he_was conveyed to the station-house, he gave his real name, and stated that he lived at 13, City-terrace, Old-street-road. On call ing at that address, witness saw the prisoner's landlady, who identified the sheet as the property of one of her customers. Mary Holden, the owner of the house in question, stated that the prisoner was her lodger, and that the sheet was stolen on Saturday afternoon. The MAGISTRATE asked the prisoner whether he had heard and comprehended the evidence that had been given ? The prisoner remained mute and motionless, and seemed wholly unconscious of all that was passing around him. Sergeant Lambert said that the prisoner had been wrapt in apparent somnolency since nine o'clock on Saturday even ing, and had not taken the slightest nourishment in the in terim. He had been visited by Mr. Coward, the police-sur geon, who failed to dispel the stupor; and the prisoner's brother, who was a lecturer on mesmerism, was afterwards sent for, and on reaching the station-house he went through his whole course of manipulations with no better success. He understood that the prisoner had been the object of fre quent practical experiments, in illustration of the so-called science of mesmerism ; and it was stated that he might pro bably continue entranced for another fortnight.—(Laughter.) Mr. BDIGHASI said that he should remand the prisoner, and the medical attendant at the prison would be directed to examine him, and report as to his condition. The prisoner was removed from the bar, and on the arrival of the police van he was lifted into it, and conveyed " fast asleep" to his place of destination. LAMBETH-STREET. IMPOSITION ON EMIGRANTS.—A HARD CASE.-Mr. Lane, the Government agent for the protection of emigrants, applied to Mr. Henry on behalf of two poor men who had been swindled out of 111. 17s. 6d., under the pretence of procuring them a passage to America. From the statement of the poor men it appeared that on the 30th of December last they paid the above sum to a per son representing himself as as a shipping agent, and who had an office in the vicinity of one of the docks, as their passage money to America, on board the Brothers, a merchant ship. On their going on board, however, the captain refused to take them, and the vessel had since sailed for her destination. Since that time they had made repeated applications to the agent (who has been at this Court before for a similar of fence) for the restoration of their money, but he had refused to do anything for them. Mr. Lane, in consequence, made application to the ma gistrate, under one of the clauses of the sth and 6th of Vic toria, commonly called the Passengers Act, which enabled him to impose a penalty of 101. upon every owner, charterer, or master of any ship, or passage broker, agent, or other per son neglecting to give a receipt for any money received by them for a passage to America. Mr. HENRY directed the attention of Mr. Lane to other clauses in the Act, which confined its powers merely to ships carry ing at least thirty passengers, and observed he could not see the necessity of such a clause, as an injustice in a case like the present was just as much as it could be in a case where upwards of thirty passengers were engaged. In conclusion, Mr. Henry requested Mr. Lane would call the attention of Mr. Alexander Wood, one of the ColonialTommissioners, to the clause he had pointed out; and, after doing so, he would be glad to see him again. Mr. Lane said he would take the earliest opportunity of complying with his Worship's request, and wait upon him again. CORONER'S INQUEST. An adjourned inquiry took place before Mr. Carter, the Coroner for East Surrey, at the Castle, Tooting, on Saturday evening, touching the death of a fine young woman named Hester Hudson, who died on Thursday morning, the Bth instant, under such circumstances as to induce the Coroner to adjourn the inquiry that took place in the first instance, in order that a post mortem examination might take place. Upon the former inquiry Mary Skinner, a sister 'of the deceased residing at Tooting, deposed that she was very much alarmed, on the Thursday morning in ques tion, by her sister being brought to her house in a fly. She was at the time dreadfully - ill and not able to walk or stand, and complained of very great pain in her stomach. She was carried to bed, and Mr. Bainbridge, a medical man, was sent for, and he prescribed for her and did all in his power to relieve her, but without effect. She remained in great agony until the next morning at four o'clock, when she expired. Before her death her sister told her that her mistress, a lady named Johnson, with whom she had been living as housemaid, suspected she was in the family way, and had sent her home fir the fly, thinking that she was about to be confined. The jury, after hearing the evidence of the medical man, expressed their opinion that they could not conic to a satisfactory conclusion upon the matter unless there was a post mnrtem examination, and the inquiry was ac cordingly adjourned for that purpose. Mrs. Johnson, the lady with whom the deceased had lived, was examined, and she stated that she had been in her service for about four months, and on the 7th February the cook informed her that deceased was very ill, and lying on the carpet in the drawing-room. Wit ness went to her immediately, and asked her what..was the matter, anel she complained of great pain in the side and stomach. Witness told her she thought she had better go home, and the deceased consented, and a fly was sent for by witness's direction, and the deceased was put into it, and two men accompanied . her home in the vehicle. By the CORONER.—Witness was of opinion, from the symptoms, that deceased was in the family way. Mr. Bainbridge, the surgeon, deposed that, upon the post modem examination of the deceased, he ascertained that the death was occasioned by ulceration of the stomach. Thomas Priddy, a fly driver, proved that, on the day in question, his fly was sent for by Mrs. Johnson, and he was ordered to take the deceased to Tooting. A servant lad rode on the box, and no female was inside with the deceased. He drove very gently, and when he arrived at Tooting,_ he lifted the deceased from the vehicle, and assisted to carry her into the house. She appeared very ill, and in great pain. This being the whole of the evidence that was to be adduced, the Coroner 'briefly addressed the jury, and said, that from the evidence of the surgeon there could be very little doubt that the deceased had died from natural causes, and there did not appear to be the least grounds for supposing that the deceased had come un fairly by her death. The jury, after observing that in their opinion the mistress of the deceased was to blame in not sending some female with her in the fly, under the circumstances, returned a verdict that the deceased died from natural causes, and not by poison, or any act of violence. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. TATTERSALL'S-YESTERDAY. CHESTER CUP. - 15 to 1 agst Mr. Sharrett's The Prior—taken 15 to 1 agst Mr. Collett's Cattonite 17 to 1 agst Mr. W. Dawson's Merry Andrew 17 to 1 agst Mr. T. A. Milbank's Sir Robert—taken 20 to 1 agst Mr. Stephenson's Freedom—taken 20 to 1 agst Colonel Cradock's Pagan 25 to 1 agst Mr. D. Cook's What 27 to 1 agst Mr. Gough's Greenfinch 30 to 1 agst Mr. Tuting's Tacita—taken freely 33 to 1 agst Sir W. W. Wynn's Rowland—taken 14 to 1 agst all the three years old—taken 500 even between The Prior and Cattonite 500 even between The Prior and all the three years old. Of the two principal favourites, The Prior, although not hacked so vigorously as Cattonite, had a very slight call; the fifteens and sixteens to one about the latter were taken with uncommon spirit. Of the others we need not add anything to the prices given above. DERBY. 10 to 1 agst Forth's lot 13 to 2 agst Mr. John Day's The Ugly Buck 7 to 1 agst Mr. Crockford's Rattan—taken 15 to 1 agst Col. Peel's Orlando—taken freely 18 to 1 agst Lord Maidstone's Cockamaroo 18 to 1 agst Mr. Lichtwald's Leander 25 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's T'Auld Squire 33 to 1 agst Peel's lonian—taken 33 to 1 agst Mr. Watts's Voltri 33 to 1 agst Mr. A. Wood's Running Rein 33 to 1 agst Sir G. Heathcote's Campunero 40 to 1 agst Mr. Quin's Loadstone—taken freely 40 to 1 agst Mr. Payne's Vat colt 40 to 1 agst Mr. Quin's nd. Foig-a-Ballagh—taken freely 50 to 1 agst Mr. J. Osborne's Mount Charles—ditto 50 to 1 agst Sir R. Bulkeley's Bebington 1000 to 10 agst Lord Westminster's Lancet—taken 400 to 100 agst The Ugly Buck and Orlando—taken 1000 even between Johnny Broome and Sister to Grey Momus colt 1000 even between Beaumont and Sister to Grey Momus c. 1000 even between Boots and Sister to Grey Momus c. 'We have reported the highest offer against the Ugly Buck, but as no one showed any disposition to support him, and as an offer to back Rattan against him for 500 even was not accepted, we do not hesitate to divest him of the pre miership ; the quoted odds were taken about the new leader, but, judging from what came under our notice, not to any serious amount. Leander was named at 18 to 1, but not backed, owing no doubt to the numerous inquiries about his companion, Foig-a-ballagh, on whom we saw at least 2001. laid out at 40 to 1 ; his opponent, however, maintained his ground to the last. Loadatone came again, and Campunero, with plenty of friends, advanced from 40 to 33 to 1. In other respects the betting, although extremely animated for an hour or two, elicited nothing worthy of observation. - - OAKS. 8 to 1 agst Mr. Forth's lot. 10 to 1 agst Lord Chesterfield's The Bee 17 to 1 agst Lord Stradbroke's The Boarding School Miss (Marpessa filly)—taken 30 to 1 agst Lord G. Bentinck's All-round-my-Hat —t. HIGHLY HONOURABLE CONDUCT.—The public will no doubt remember the protracted and expensive litigation that took place a few years since between Messrs. Gye and Co., of London, and Mr. Samuel James Hallam, tea-dealer in Edinburgh, the result of which was pecuniary ruin to all the parties concerned. A few friends of Mr. Hallam, wishing to re-establish him in business in Edinburgh, after the termi nation of his legal troubles, subscribed about a thousand pounds to enable him to make a fresh start, which he did in Prince's-street, taking a partner. This business was con ducted for some time, under the firm of Hallam, Spence, and Co. ; but did not prosper, and was eventually abandoned, with they instai n y he g n av o e bt h a i i ni ned an a d n aloss . to Mr. IJan:tin's friends of 769/ II s 9d., of which sum Mr. Haifa' his partner . a . dibLe ,an ha t r o g i e i, i a n s ft i t i l l l : appointment in specter of teas for a branch of the • ; , ,at house of Messrs. Barings, Brothers, and C o ., o f L ondon time, but long en oug h to enable Thereli'i he has been but a short amount of his savings u p t o t h e date ra of remittance) remit (the entire ance) the sum ' of 8561. Is. 7d., to repay, with interest , the money by his friends to the firm of Hallam, Spence,oney advanced Edinburgh. This money was last week paid tc) the ee r (' Co. ' of espec tive parties.—Caledonian Mercury. LOVE'S SIMPLICITY.—A young woman alighted from a stage-coach, when a piece of ribbon from her bonnet fell into the bottom of the carriage. " You have left your bow behind," said a lady passenger. " No, I haven't, he's gone a fishing," innocently rejoined the damsel, and pro- 1 ceeded on her way rejoicing.—Hull Adrertiser. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Feb. 19. Their Lordships met at Five o'Clock. LIBEL AND DEFAMATION BILL. Lord CAMPBELL gave notice that he should to• morrow move the second reading of this Bill pro forma, with a view to its being referred to a Select Committee. The LORD CHANCELLOR said he thought the Committee had better be the same as the one appointed last year. GAMING TRANSACTIONS (WITNESES' IN DEMNITY) BILL. The Duke of RICHMOND moved the second reading of-the Bill to indemnify witnesses giving evidence before a Committee of their Lordships' House on the subject of gaming. It had been found impossible to make a search ing inquiry into the subject of gaming without having the evidence of persons who had been implicated in gaming transactions. It could not be expected that men would willingly give, evidence on the subject while their testimony might render them liable to qui tam actions. He felt that the result of this inquiry would at once dissipate the erroneous views taken in some parts of the country, that the object of this Bill was to save rich persons only from the effect of qui tam actions. Unfortunately, there was a great deal more gambling amongst the poorer classes than there was even amongst the rich. His object in bringing this Bill before their Lordships was to obtain such evidence as would enable their Lordships to legislate on the subject. The Bill was then read a second time. IRISH REGISTRATION. . The Marquis of NORMANBY presented a petition from Drogheda, praying that the same municipal fran chise as in England should be established in Ireland. PRIVY COUNCIL—PATENTS. Lord BROUGHAM brought in a Bill, and moved that it be read a first time, for continuing the patent of Lord Dundonald for a further term of seven years. The Bill, as we understood the Noble Lord (who, from illness, was imperfectly heard), was to give to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council the power to recommend an exten sion of the time for patents. He propoged to empower a Committee of that House to inquire into the subject matter of a petition—that the Committee would report to the House, and that then the House should address the Crown upon the subject, and pray the Crown to take it into consideration, and, the subject mat ter being referred to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, the Crown should be empowered to grant a longer term. His only; doubt had - been whetlier it should not be by a joint address of both Houses—rather than an address from either one—that proposal should be carried into effect Lord CAMPBELL said he entirely approved of the principle of the Bill. But he wished to submit for their Lordships' consideration whether the time had not arrived at which it was desirable to extead the privileges of patents to a longer term, say fourteen or twenty-one years. The powers of the Judicial Com mittee could, in his opinion, be now wisely extended and he, therefore, suggested that to it should be given the power of divorce a vinculo matremonii. He thought that the time and duties of Parliament should be confined to objects having reference solely to the interests of the empire, and that they should not be called upon to relieve the adultress or the scoundrel husband. These matters ought to be left to Courts, and he knew no better tribunal than this Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. By giving this power to the Committee of the Privy Council, they would provide a remedy for the poor, which could now only be had by the rich. The LORD CHANCELLOR thought it would not be advisable to mix up matters of divorce in the Bill now presented to their Lordships. If his Noble and Learned Friend (Campbell) would bring in a Bill on the subject of divorce and its adjudication by the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, it should have his best consideration. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE would take that op portunity of stating, that in opposing large powers to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, when the Bill giving those powers was before their Lordships, he was actuated solely by a prudential motive in going step by step where a new tribunal was being constituted. He should say that the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council would be an infinitely better tribunal for this sort of business than that which now existed. It would have also another great recommen dation—that of cheapness, and the law would then be protective, not, as now, to one class alone, but to the whole country. Lord BROUGHAM wished only to observe that the suggestion now thrown out had not escaped the atten tion of the framers of the Bill, constituting the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. There was in that Bill a clause not exactly giving the absolute power to the Privy Council, but giving to it power to in quire and report— making it, in fact, auxiliary to that House. His plan would be, never to part with the jurisdiction now possessed by that llouse, but that the Judicial Committee might report to the House, and, under sanction of the Nouse, give its judgment in these cases; becausehe was then, as now, very jealous of transferring the jurisdiction which belonged to them. He said at that time it was better to go step by step. He thought they had better go on so now. The subject was one of infinite importance, re quiring great consideration, but, in his opinion, the course hinted at by his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Lyndhurst), was by far the most judicious. He (Lord Brougham) would frame a special Bill for this object which, with the help of the Consistorial Court, the Right Rev. Prelates, the Law and Equity Judges would, he hoped, attain the point aimed at, and make the law as available to the poor as it now was to the rich. Certainly, as the law at present stood it was a law for the rich, and not for the poor, not only to the wrong of the party, but to the great injury of the morals of the poor. Lord CAMPBELL said he should be the last person to transfer the powers of that House or of Parliament to the Privy Council or any other body. The question, however, of a divorce a vinculo matrimonii ho thought ought to be referred to a judicial tribunal. Lord WHARNCLIFFE said that after the divorce was obtained, then came the question of whether the parties should be allowed to marry again. That he ap prehended to be a question for Parliament alone. Under these circumstances the expenses of such proceedings would not be diminished, inasmuch as, in the first place, a trial must be had, and then a Bill in Parliament. Lord REDESDALE did not think much expense would be saved by taking questions of this kind before the Privy Council, except, perhaps, as to the length of the inquiry. Before the Privy Council such case would be probably disposed of in one day, whereas before their Lordships' House the inquiry would occupy a longer time. Under the present system great expense was in curred in the shape of fees to agents, solicitors, and various other persons. Not only were these charges on one stage of the bill, but they were repeated in every stage, although no word perhaps, had been said during the progress of the bill through these stages. Lord BROUGHAM said he was one of the trustees to an estate, respecting which a Bill had lately been obtained from Parliament. The trustees had just re ceived a bill of 3671., that being the Parliamentary agent's bill alone. Upon this Bill not a single witness had been examined. The whole expenses of this Bill, which was unopposed, and merely obtained for the pur poseof granting leases, was 1,2001. After a few words from the LORD CHANCELLOR, the Bill was laid on the table. METROPOLITAN IMPROVEMENTS BILL. On the motion of the Duke of BIJC6LECoIfthe Metropolitan Improvements Bill was read a third time and passed. OFFENCES AT SEA BILL. On the motion of Lord WHARNCLIFFE the Offences at Sea Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. PRESBYTERIAN MARRIAGES IN IRELAND. The Earl of RODEN rose to put a question to the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack respecting a deeply-interesting subject to a large portion of the people of Ireland. It was with respect to a Bill at present before their Lordships with regard to Presby terian marriages in Ireland. As a meeting of the Presbyterian Society of Ireland would be held in Belfast on Thursday next, they would naturally be anxious to know as to the probable time when a definite judgment would be given upon the subject of mixed marriages in Ireland. He wished therefore to know when it was probable that that judgment would be given. The LORD CHANCELLOR said he had had a com munication with the late Lord Chancellor, and it had been arranged that the judgment should be given on Friday next. What the result of that judgment would be it would be difficult for him to say. Four Noble and Learned Lords had already given in their opinion, but, of course, he was not at liberty at present to state it. It would be sufficient for him at present to say that on Friday next the judgment would be given. COMMUNICATION WITH IRELAND. Lord MONTEAGLE said, that upon the subject of a railway to .Holyhead, although he did not wish to press the Government for a decisive answer, inasmuch as it was under the consideration of the other House just now, yet he should urge upon the consideration of the Go vernment the great importance of having the utmost facility in the communication between this country and Ireland.—(Hear, hear, from the Duke of Wellington.) To give effect to this it was essential that the harbour of Holyhead should be as safe as possible. He was induced to allude to this subject, because t* felt the great inter est which it excited in the public mind in Ireland. The Duke of WELLINGTON fully agreed with the Noble Lord upon the importance of the subject of a spzedy communication with Ireland, and the Government were fully impressed with the wessity of doing all in their power to forward this object. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH laid upon the table cer tain returns relating to the Post-office. FEES IN TIIE COURT OF CHANCERY. The LORD CHANCELLOR in laying upon the table, the return of the fees received in the Court of Chancery, said that in consequence of the late altora. , don made in that Court, the amount of fees fell short of the income of last year, mai this was partly owing to the compensation fees, which would have the same effect upon a future occasion. Their Lordships then adjourned. THE SUN, LONDON, TITESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 2O, 1844. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Fe& 19. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from Roch dale, praying for certain improvements in the town. Sir G. STRICKLAND presented a petition from the Anti-Corn-law Association of Preston, praying that the military establishment of the country might not be in creased, and expressed satisfaction at the assurances of pacific relations wit 11 other Powers in her Majesty's speech. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from Read ing, containing 1,662 names ; one from Maidstone, con taining 432 ; also a petition from Sudbury, and from Marlow, and from the Chairman of the Complete Suf frage Union at Newcastle-upon-Tyne, praying for the extension of the Suffrage, and the establishment of com mercial and religious liberty. Sir JOHN TROLLOPE presented a petition from Holbeach, in Lincolnshire, against the Anti-Corn-law League. The petitioners prayed that the House would not listen to the delusive schemes of self-interested par tie G reat laughter.) Mr HUME presented a petition from the Peace So ciety of Ross, praying that the military establishment of the country might be reduced. THE' LATE WAR IN CHINA. The SPEAKER read a letter from Sir George Burrell, acknowledging the thanks of the House, presented to him for his services in China. POOR-LAWS. Mr. S. WORTLEY presented a petition from Dews bury, praying for an alteration in the bastardy clauses of the Poor-law. • POOR-LAWS. Mr. P. BORTHWICK gave notice that, upon the House going into Committee upon the Poor-law Amend ment Act, he would move for the introduction of clauses to prevent the separation of married people, above sixty years of age, in workhouses ; for permission to married people under that age to attend each other in case of ill ness ; and for outdoor relief in certain cases. NOTICES OF MOTION. Mr. HUME gave notice that he would, to-morrow, move for returns of the number of appeals brought befo:e the House of Lords in the last two years. The HoN. MEMBER also gave notice that he would move for a return of thenumber of Custom-house agents discharged in consequence of fraud, and the amount of penalties recovered from the sureties. Mr. H. BERKELEY gave notice, that on the motion for the third reading of the Small Debts Bill, he would move as an amendment that the Bill be read a third time that day six months. Mr. WALLACE postponed to the 29th instant the several motions of which he had given notice for this evening, respecting the Post-office and the Customs. The HoN. MEMBER also gave notice of a motion for a return of the amount of receipts from the sale of papers published by order of the House, and also of the expense incurred in defending prosecutions in the Courts of Law, arising out of these publications, in order that the balance should be ascertained. THE GAMBLING ACTIONS. Mr. CHRISTIE gave notice, that in Committee upon the Horse-racing Penalties Suspension Bill, he would move that the power of proceeding for penalties under any Act of Parliament should be taken from common informers.—(Hear, hear.) BRAZIL. Mr. LABOUCHERE gave notice that on Thursday next he would bring under the consideration of the House the existing treaties with Brazil. THE TREATY OF WASHINGTON. Mr. HAWES moved fora return of papers connected with the treaty of Washington.—Ordered. REGISTRATION OF (IRELAND). Sir R. FERGUSON gave notice Of a motion for returns relating to the registration of electors in Ireland. THE QUEEN OF OTAHEITE. Mr. HINDLEY begged to ask the Right Hon. Gen tleman, the First Lord of the Treasury, whether there was any truth in a paragraph which appeared in one of the morning papers of this day, to the effect that Queen Pomare, of Otaheite, had been deposed by the agents of the French Government ? Sir ROBERT PEEL had not so much leisure as the Hon. Gentleman to read the morning papers.—(Laugh. ter.) He had therefore not seen the paragraph referred to, and was unable to answer the question. LIVERPOOL DOCKS. On the motion of Sir H. DOUGLAS, leave was given to bring in a Bill for the improvement of the Liverpool docks. RAILWAYS. Leave was also given to bring in Bills for the forma tion of branch lines connected with the Manchester and Leeds, the Hartlepool, and other railways. SUPPLY. .... . The Order of the Day fo; going into Committee of Supply was read, and postponed till Wednesday next. POLITICAL ASSOCIATIONS AND THE PRESS. On the motion for reading the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Poor-law Amendment Bill, Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he had a question to put to the Attorney-General. It appeared that the proprietors of several newspapers in Ireland had withdrawn them selves from the Repeal Association, the reason stated by them for so withdrawing being that Chief Justice Penne father had laid it down as the law that the whole of an association were responsible for any article that might appear in any paper of which the proprietors might happen to be members. Mr. Barrett, of the Pilot, and Mr. Gavan Duffy, of the Nation, had both stated this as their reason for withdrawing from the Association. Now the question he had to put to the Attorney-General was this—whether, if the matter pub lished in any newspaper, the proprietor of which might happen to be a member of any association, the whole of the members could be made responsible, if that matter was put in as evidence against that association?—(Hear.) The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the Hon. Gentle man had been kind enough to apprise him, a few minutes previously, that he intended to put the question to him. In answer to it, he would say that he had no doubt the proprietors of the newspapers in question were well advised, and had exercised a sound discretion in retiring from the Repeal Assooiation.— (Cheers and laughter from the Ministerial benches.) But whatever they might do, under that good advice, it was impossible for him (the Attorney-General) to form any judgment in reference to the general question whe ther the contents of a paper, of which the editor might be a member of an association could be used as evidence against the whole of the members. unless he knew the objects of the association, to what extent the editors were mixed up with it, what the articles were in refe rence to those objects, and what use was made of those articles.—(Loud cheers from the Ministerial side.) Mr. ELI'HINSTONE said he was a member of the Anti-Corn-law • League—(Ministerial y witchhemerosn)o—powly._ cheers)—which was an association for doing (Ministerial cheers and laughter.) Now there was a journal which was called the League, in connection with that Association, and he wanted to know whether he (Mr. Elphinstone) and every other member of that league was liable for every article that might be published in that paper ? He wished to have an answer to that ques tion from the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the Hon. Gen tleman had addressed his question to him, but he did not know that he was entitled to the honour of such a distinction—(Ministerial cheers, and laughter)--but, in answer, he would strongly recommend the Hon. Gen tleman to take the advice ;of his ordinary professional legal adviser.—(Renewed cheers and laughter from the Ministerial benches.) Lord EBRINGTON and Mr. HINDLEY here rose about the same time, amidst the derisive cheers of the Mem bers on the Ministerial side of the House, anti the latter Hon. Gentleman commenced speaking amidst cries of " Order, order." The Hon. Gentleman having sat down, Lord EBRINGTON, who had first caught the Speaker's eye, proceeded to ask, pursuant to notice, the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to introduce any measure—or the same measure which had been already proposed, with respect to the Administration of turnpike-trusts in England. Sir J. GRAHAM said that he had intended to intro duce a measure on the subject, but that a Commission had been appointed to inquire into, and report upon the subject. The Commissioners had fully investigated the matter, and he expected that their Report would be ready in a very short time, and before introducing any measure of the kind, he wished to have the advantage of receiving their Report. Mr. lIINDLEY said he must confess that he was not satisfied with the answer which had been given by the Attorney-General to the question of the Honourable Gentleman behind him (Mr. Elphinstone). He (Mr. Hindley) had consulted his professional law adviser on the subject, and that gentleman told him that the Asso ciation called the Anti-Corn-law League was a perfectly legal one. But that would not decide the question if the Attorney-General was directed, as in the case of Mr. O'Connell, after 11 orl2 months, or along time had elapsed, to proceed against its members.—(Cries of " Order, order.") He repeated it would not decide the question which his legal adviser had decided in his favour.—(Re newed cries of " Order, order.") He now asked tht Attorney-General whether the Anti-Corn-law League was a legal Association or not ?--(Jeers,and cheers from the Ministerial benches.) The ATTORNEY-GENERAL appealed to Hon. Gentlemen on both sides of the House, whether he had ever declined answering any question put to him in that House ? If the Hon. Member had really any question which he wished to ask him (the Attorney-General), relative to himself (Mr. Hindley) he would be very happy to answer it, and without a fee.--(Cheers and laughter.) But if he answered the question now he would be oc cupying the public time in a way in which he did not think he should be justified in doing. IRELAND—ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the Order of the Day for resuming the adjourned debate on Lord John Russell's motion for a Committee to inquire into the state of Ireland being read, Mr. HORSMAN rose and said, that he felt it his duty, as an English representative, to enter his protest against the policy which her Majesty's Government had pursued with regard to Ireland. It had been ad mitted on all sides that we had arrived at a great crisis ; and he should support the motion of the Noble Lord, be • cause he thought it necessary to inquire how that crisis had arrived.—(Hear, hear.) There were certain facts on which no difference of opinion existed. It was ad mitted that three years ago Ireland had been handed over to Honourable Gentlemen opposite in a state of peace and tranquillity.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") The habits of the people had improved—(Hear, hear) — troops had been withdrawn—(Hear ,hear)—the adminis tration of jurtice was respected—(Hear, hear)—and the repeal cry was, comparatively speaking, unheard.—(Hear, hear.) Now, however, the repeal cry had become a national cry.—(Cheers.) More troops had been sent to Ireland, and the country was covered with garrisons ; thus proving that the Government intended to act upon the announcement which had been made last 'ear, that conc iliation had bee n carried to its utmost extent.—(Cheers.) The Hon. and onlyvicti o awaitingan d th that l e io s n e . ti Learned Member for' cork had been prosecuted to con viction, frntehcel Gentleman courßt whi which has wouldnow consign him to a gaol. --s ittear,.hear.) y what means Right Hon. Gentleril had b o asted the other night cf had that convictioi tatheebn obtained ?—(Cheers.) The his moderation and fairness; but he (Mr. Horsman) must confess that he had never Itnosvn of any proceedings in ' which moderation and fairness had been more com pletely dispensed with than in the recent prosecutions in Ireland,---(Hear, hear.) He would not dwell upon the animus which had been exhibited throughout those pro f en d .: L e pro ceedings by i the Learned Gentleman who had repre sented the Government--(Hear, hear)—to the extraor dinary preliminary boasting by which the case had be e n prejudged.—(Flear, hear.) He would not speak of the calling upon one of the counrel for the traversers to produce his license—(Cheers)--or of the insisting upon the presence of the traversers in the Court during the whole of the proceedings.—(Hear, hear.) These were all extraordinary and vexatious proceedings—(Cheers)----but they were matters personal to the Attorney-General.--(Cheers.) But why was the list of witnesses on the back of the indictment not furnished to the traversers ?—(Hear, hear.) It was essential to the defence that they should be furnished with the list, and he would ask the Attorney-General for England, if in the whole course of his professional experience he had ever known an instance in which the list of witnesses had been refused ?—(Hear, hear.) He would ask the" At torney-General if lie would, under similar circum stances, have refused the list? Then the application for a copy of the jury list, which was equally necessary to the traversers, in order to prepare their challenges was alsorefused.—(Hear, hear.) The sheriff had trans mitted that list to the Home-office, and had offered to' furnish a copy to the de fendants if the Attorney-General would consent, but that consent had been withheld.--(Hear, hear.) What reasen could they have had for such refusal ? Was it not to be presumed that they were acting under the in structions of the Government ? The production of those documents were essential for the defence of the traversers on their trial, and yet these documents had been refused. Then, with regard to striking off the names from the jury -list, how had they proceeded ? It was said that eight of those who were struck off were repealers. He took that statement as it was made, but there were still four others who were to be accounted for—two Roman Catholics and two liberal Protestants. He should like to know why it was they were struck off. The Government, by the proceedings which they . adopted, succeeded in keeping twelve men on the jury who combined the three-fold elements of being Protes tants, Anti-Repealers, and Conservatives.. With regard to the omission of the names from the general list, though it might have happened through accident that they were left out in the first in stance, the Government took care to avail them , selves of the error, and they forced on a trial with an in complete jury list. It was a maxim of law, according to Lord Bacon, that if a man found a door open and en tered, and having purloined something broke out through a different way, he was guilty of burglary. It was in a similar way Government acted in those trials. They obtained a jury according to their own wish, and obtained a conviction, but it was one not likely to be much respected.—(Cheers.) It was a conviction which he hesitated not to say, was a false conviction— (Cheers)—and would be followed by no moral results. And if no moral results followed from it, what practical results would follow from it. The Right Honourable Gentleman told them of one practical result which had already followed, namely, that peace was restored to Ireland. But he was not aware that the peace of Ireland had ever been broken.— (Cheers.) It was a peace like a sort of smothered rebel lion.—(Hear, hear.) As the Noble Lord said, they held Ireland by military occupation. They held her in peace as long as there was peace in Europe —(Hear, hear)—as long as they were in a state of quiescence ; but the moment a move was made, the moment a shot was fired, they would fall in pieces.—(Cheers.) If they continued their present policy to Ireland, they must play the coward at home, and truckle to France and America.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet did not read aright the the spirit which now prevailed in Ireland. He would do well to consider that spirit. It was a spirit which had before now been seen in England and Scotland. It was a spirit similar to that with which Scotchmen secured the independence of their country ; it was a spirit like that which Lord Chatham said he rejoiced to see in America ; and let him tell the Right Honourable . Baronet it was a spirit which great men sympathised with, which good men inculcated—a spirit which the boldest and the wisest statesman would do well to consider, and which the boldest Minister might not be ashamed to tremble at. Notwithstanding, the vaunting sn o oof much enhi nc latlilgseehwt forh o HI whole e n a mr o m u p r i araebsl at e t ß hh a ias r d o . n n et To .t moment N h tv h e w r oh e mo aa a dd s the Right Honourable Baronet delegated the govern ment of Ireland ? - They were told by the Right Hon. Baronet the other night of the commotion which was created in the Home-office by the Clontarf procla -1 mation. They were told that an attempt had been made to wrest by force the executive from the hands of the Government. They were told that on that occa sion the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, the Lord Chancellor, and the Attorney and Solicitor-General were sum moned to the Home-office, and that they remained four days in debate. The only man who was not sum moned to that important Council, was the Prime Minister of England. (Some observations were passed across the table, which did not reach the gallery.) He must say that he saw many causes of alarm in the present state of affairs in Ireland, and these causes of alarm were not at all lessened by the manner in which they were treated by the Govern ment. It seemed to him to be a case on which no per son could reflect seriously without alarm. He did not mean to enter into any of those questions connected with Ireland which were not fit subjects of inquiry. He would only say on that occasion that he thought, among the many causes of complaint which the Irish people had, one of the greatest, as well as the most frequently urged, was the want of sym pathy among English. Members for Irish grievances. Every evil which had ever been felt by Ireland was in some degree owing either to English bigotry or English dislike. We had hitherto denied all the claims of justice, till now—justice and self-interest were combined. This was no longer an Irish question. He believed that if the prosecution which had recently been conducted in Ireland had been conducted in the same manner against the Chartists, there would have been a sensation from one end of England to the other, and the business of that House would have been stopped until 'the injustice had been redressed. The course of justice should be as dear to them on Irish as on English soil.---(Hear, hear.) He believed that the unity and integrity of the empire were at stake. The - eyes of Europe were upon them. He would read to the House the opinion of a writer, whose authority on such subjects stood ex ceedingly high. The Honourable Member then read an extract from an author, whose name was inaudible, in which, after a statement of the position of Ireland, it was said that, unless in time England permitted some small inroads to be made upon her tyranny, the result would be fatal to English greatness. Such was the opinion of a writer, who was as impartial as he was enlightened, and he hoped that the warning thus given would not be heard in vain. Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT said that, as an Irish pro prietor, taking a very deep interest in the welfare of that country, he must express his regret at the tone and manner in which this question had been sub mitted.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") He did hope, when he saw the announcement of this motion in the paper, proceeding, as it did from a Noble Lord, for whose statesmanlike qualities no man in that House entertained more sincere respect than himself, that Ireland would not again be made the battle field of party.—(Hear, hear.) If he had conceived that the course proposed by the Noble Lord was calculated to benefit Ireland, no party ties or personal predilections would have prevented him from stating the opinions which he entertained.—(Hear, hear.) Now, before he proceeded further he thought he might con gratulate gentlemen on that side of the House that the charges on which the Government bad been arraigned were admitted to be unfounded.— (Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord, the Member for Sun derland, with that abstinence of party spirit which characterised him, admitted that they .had not been established ; and the Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for Devonport, had also acquitted the Government. But he found that, in the speech of the Noble Lord there was a sentence which showed that, even in the Noble Lord's opinion, in the circumstances in which Ireland was placed, it was necessary that something should be done to assert the majesty of the law.—(Hear, hear.) He thought that was a great admission, coming from a party which inculpated the Government, and had net when in power made itself very remarkable for its power of enforcing the majesty of the law.—(Cheers.) The Noble Lord had proceeded to attack the Govern ment for their conduct in the disposition of their patron age. Now he (Mr. H.) must admit that there was no great enthusiasm in Ireland in favour of the Govern ment.—(Laughter.) But they must look to what was the nature of popularity in Ireland. There was nothing easier for a Government than to attain popularity in Ireland. They had only to throw themselves unreservedly into the hands of one or other of the extreme parties, and they would be sup ported by the shouts of exultation on the one side, and by the silence of terror on the other. Such popularity was inconsistent with his notion of an impartial Government.—(Hear, hear.) The Government of Lord Normanby had no pretensions to the title of impartial.—(Tory cheers.) That Government obtained popularity by giving up everything to one p ar ty so l e l y and exclusively.—(Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.) He would now come to the question of the Noble Lord's proposition. The motion of the Noble Lord was in itself very large and comprehensive, but the suggestions which he threw out for the amelioration of the grievances to be inquired into were exceedingly small. All that he proposed to do was to make a new appropriation of the revenues of the Church, and what the Noble Lord considered a more impartial distribution of the patronage of the Crown. The Noble Lord acknowledged that his hopes for the pacification of Ireland, as far as they depended on his measures, were unfounded, as he admitted those mea sures to be impossible. Now he (Mr. S. Herbert) en tertained an opinion that the Roman Catholic clergy ought to be endowed. He entertained that opinion, because he was anxious to see them placed in a situation above the necessity of taking part in political agitation. He believed that in many parts of Ireland where an indisposition had been mani fested on the part of the priests to join political agita tion, it had been difficult for them to obtain their dues. He believed that the people had themselves protested against the amount of those dues, and the necessity of political agitation had been superadded to religious in fluence, in order to obtain them. This was a lamentable thing, as the Catholic religion was one always allied with the maintenance of peace and order. Again, he wished to see the clergy taken from a higher class of men than those who were now found in it. The Noble Lord had said it was better that they should be taken from the lower order of society, but he differed from that opinion when he saw the little respect paid to the clergy when they were of a rank only a little above the peasantry. After all, the Government proposed much more than the Noble Lord opposite— they proposed a more comprehensive plan and greater changes. Ho did not include, of course, the pro posals of those gentlemen who supported the Noble Lord. There was one point—he meant education—to which almost more than any other conceivable means he looked for the amelioration of the condition of the Irish people. The Irish peasant came over to this country in the - harvest, where he saw men of his condition enjoy all the comforts and happiness of a highly civilized nation, and he went back to Ireland at the close of the harvest time with no feelings of dissa tisfaction, for the Irish peasantry, above all others, were remarkable fore their- gratitude ; but he 'went back to Ireland an unchanged man, without exhibiting any desire to adopt the improvements and the advantages of those which he had - Witnessed in England. sifl'o 'what could that be attributed but to the want of education. He would recommend the adoption of measures to put an end 'to that state of things-, and he would have the Protestant and the 'Roman 'Catholic Hof Ireland put upon a footing of the most perfect equality. It was by such means they would ultimately effect the amelioration of the condition of that unhappy country. He did not think, as some others seemed to be of opinion, that nothing would satisfy the Roman Catholics but the spolia tion of the Church Establishment. That Esta blishment did not press upon the Roman Catholics for it was supported chiefly by the Protestant landlords. There was another point to which he wished to refer. It appeared to him that of all the symptoms he had seen since he had the honour of a seat in that House, from which he could augur a better state of things for Ireland, it was the tone they had adopted in the present debate—he meant the tone of kindness and good feeling in which every Hon. Gentleman who had spoken on that side of the House had referred to his Roman Catholic fellow countrymen. He believed he spoke their senti ments, as well as he did his own, when he said they were willing and anxious earnestly, and at once, to co-operate in effecting the improvement and amelioration of their common country. He made these . observations by reason of the interest he took in the subject; and looking with anxiety to the proposal which . the Government meant to make, he was prepared-to give their measures not the equivocal assent or lukewarm vote of one in office, but conscientiously to give them his warm, earnest, and hearty, approbation. Mr. SMYTHE said that he rose for the purpose of explaining a sentiment in a speech which be made last year. It had been said that he wished to see Ireland governed in the spirit of O'Connell. Such a sentiment was never expressed by him. He said the very reverse. What he said was, that while he disliked both extremes, he preferred seeing Ireland governed in the spirit of O'Connell, rather than that of Cromwell ; but he disliked both extremes—persecution and prosecution on one hand, and undue truckling to the Roman Catholics onthe other, He could not give his vote on this occasion without ex pressing a hope that the Government would come for ward with some well-timed measures—such as the settling of the relations between landlord and tenant, which, if brought forward in a spirit like that which animated the concluding remarks of the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, would renew the link which should subsist between the people of Ireland and the Conservative party. He hoped the GO vernment intended to move and bring forward this and other measures, and if they did so he-did not despair of seeing the Irish people once more looking to them for sympathy, and not prepossessed against them. Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL said that the Catholics of Ireland were satisfied with their priesthood, whom they loved and revered, and who were worthy of their love and reverence.—(Hear, hear.) lie challenged them to show any priesthood so pure in every act, so devoted to their religious duties, such admirable ministers of religion. The Hon. Gentleman said that the Catholic religion was a monarchical religion. In his opinion, it would be more coirect to designate the reli gion to which the Hon. Gentleman belonged as a mo narchical religion, because the Sovereign was at the head of it. They accounted it one of the proofs of the divine origin of their religion; that it perfectly adapted itself to every phase and state of society which existed. It was under the fostering care of that religion that Belgium was working out a spirit of rational liberty, and they looked to it as the religion which would supply the elements of order against the wild outpouring of irregular liberty in North America. It was that religion which restrain ed the people of Ireland under excitement, and enabled them patiently tobear distress and poverty. It was that religion which instilled into the people those sentiments of liberty_which he trusted would ere long have fruit in the prosperity and legislative independence of the country. He had not risen with the intention of answering the Hon: Gentleman on the other side. He had risen as One of those who in an early part of the debate had been styled convicted conspirators.—(Cheers.) He did not acknowledge the justice of that designation unless it could be considered as a conspiracy for men to labour to their utmost to discharge the duty which they owed to their country—(Cheers)— which was the next in importance to that which they owed to their God.—(Loud cheers.) As one of those convicted conspirators, he rose to speak, perhaps, his last words in that House—to make his parting declara tion before he returned to Ireland, to meet and to incur the vengeance of the Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite.—(Cheers.) He said to incur their vengeance, for he should continue to exert him self with as little ability perhaps, but with more ar dour and zeal than ever, to incur their vengeance, by 'exerting himself in the cause of his country.—(Cheers.) He did not rise for the purpose of offering any apology, or urging anything in palliation of that for which he, 'amongst others, had had the honour of having been con victed. If he urged anything on that point, it would only be ,to call upon every man in Ireland, who had not Yet joined the repeal movement, to act as he (Mr. J. O'Connell) and his companions had done—(Cheers) — to devote their liberty, their property, and if necessary their lives, as he and his companions had done and were ready to do—to restore legislative independence to their country, which was her inalienable right. He would ask the people of England what after all had been secured by the course which Ministers were pursuing? ,What had they gained by their victory?—(Cheers.) Had the cause of the repeal of the union received a check?—(Cheers.) On the contrary he firmly believed that two or three years of the most active agitation could not have given that cause the firm hold on the minds of the people which that prosecution had given it. (Loud'eheers.) They had not by that prosecution strengthened. the connexion between the two countries. He believed that if the connexion between the two countries were based upon firm and equitable principles, and the people were placed upon a perfect equality; it would • tend to the prosperity and welfare of both.— '(Cheers.) 'He spoke not from any personal considera tions. If he spoke from any personal considerations, he should ask that the heavier weight of punishment should fall upon him who was young and better able to bear it, than upon one who was not so well able to bear it on account of his years, and his immense labours in the cause of his country.—(Loud cheers.) But as a friend to the connexion between the two countries, he regretted the course which the Government had pursued, as tending to weaken that connexion. The people of Ireland had been taught last year, in that House, that they had nothing to hope, either from the Government or from the House. They had been in formed, not by one who spoke merely as an individual Member of Parliament, but by the Right Hon. Gentle man the Secretary of State for the Home Department, --(Loud cheers)—that concession was at an end in Ireland.—(Loud cheers.) What course did the people of Ireland pursue in answer to that insulting declara tion ? Did they have recourse to violence ? No.— (Loud cheers.) They betook themselves to constitutional agitation.—(Cheers.) They attended what had been called multitudinous meetings, at which might, be seen hundreds of thousands of poor men, sweating under a sense of their wrongs—(Hear, hear)—ground to the earth by the tyranny of their landlords—(Hear, hear) —but one degree removed from absolute want—(Hear, hear)—meeting peacefully, legally, and constitutionally —(Cheers)—to listen to the advice of those who told them to avoid every breach of the laws of God or man —(Loud cheers)—to commit no violence, but to trust to the powers of the Constitution, and to the efforts which were made, peacefully and lawfully, to obtain redress.— (Cheers.) The good order which had been maintained at those meetings had been confessed by all. A high authority in Ireland had said, that those meetings must inevitably tend to 'outrage. Forty of those meetings had been held, and no outrage had been committed, ex cepting the destruction of a gingerbread-stall, if that could be so denominated. Not a single accident had happened.(Hear, hear.) Females had mixed in those meetings unhurt.—(Hear.) He had himself seen the Hon. Member for Cork dragged up the hill of Tara by the efforts of the people, rather than by those of the horses of his carriage ; and there were young mothers there,.who were as safe and as kindly treated as if they had been by their own firesides. It had been asked in that House why, instead of resorting to those meetings, they had not come to Parliament ? What hope could they have from Parliament, when they had been told that concession had reached its limits ?--(Cheers.) But an Hon. Member had appealed to the House for them.— (Cheers.) The Hon. Member for Limerick, one whom he was proud to call his friend, because be had showed, and was showing, himself thetrue friend of his oppressed, fallen countrymen, had made an appeal to that House.— (Cheers.) And what had been their answer ?—(Hear, hear.) He had asked merely for inquiry ; that inquiry had been refused by an overwhelming majority— (Hear)—and that majority bad been taunted by their base and infamous press, because they had extended to his Hon. Friend the common courtesy which was due to 'every gentleman, of listening to him.—(Loud cheers.) What had been the course which they had pursued in Ireland ? They had allowed those meetings to go on, and when the eleventh hour had nearly elapsed, then came out the proclamation against the meeting at Clontarf. With respect to that proclamation he found it difficult to speak with anything like temper; even after this space of time had elapsed. At the time of the occurrence he certainly thought that those who originated that proclamation were murderers in intention. Since that time he had laboured, and he hoped, not unsuccessfully, to abandon altogether the beltef that, among Christian men, there could be found those who could entertain so fiendish an intention. But if they had intended to cause a massacre at Clontarf, they could not have gone a better way about it. The Right Hon. Secretary of State had said that that proclamation was posted up at three o'clock in the afternoon. He had no doubt that the Right Hon. Baronet believed such to be the fact, but he had been grossly misinformed. That proclamation was not in the hands of the Lord Mayor of Dublin till four o'clock, and it was not posted in the village of Blackrock, near which he resided, _till it was too dark for it to be read.- -(Loud cries of " Ilear, hear.") The late Mr. Tyrrell lost his life in consequence of the late hour at which the proclamation reached his parish, which was in the vicinity of the place of meeting. He was obliged to leave his bed—to expose himself to the weather, and contracted the mortal dis ease, of which he died, in endeavouring to save his parishioners from the hazard which they would other wise have incurred. In spite of all their efforts an enormous crowd flicl assemble at Clontarf, thouglh of course, it was much less than it would have been. It had been said by the Noble Lord opposite that Mr. A O'Connell ought to hare gone out to the ground tried the legal question as whether the Governmen t had o, : right to stop him or hot. He did not think the Noble Lord had reflected well when he stated that. 1 0 believed it was the advice of a paper which supported the Government in Dublin. Had Mr. O'Connell 'gone out with that excited multitude, what chance was theret when the-crowd was brought in contact with the s Ol l . diers, of escaping a tumult. It only required one evl disposed person to show a stone, and the most serious consequences would have ensued. With regard to the prosecutiiins he should not speak of them—he left, them to others, if from no other reason, yet from this, that he despised them too much,—(Hear.) He should not dwell on the fraud and chicanery which marked them, or the names omitted from the jury-list, for which, though the Attorney-General w as riot to blame, he had not scrupled to avail himself of the omission. With respect to the men who composed - th i e jury,.he did not mean to say that they were men cap ah e of violating their oaths. He believed their verdict Wa s given with all the sincerity and honesty of inveterate ' prejudice and bigotry.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") It was for those who chose this jury to account for the , manner in which they had chosen it. They had struck off the extreme men of one side, who were supposed be favourable to the accused, and selected men who we re known to be most unfavourable to the accused. M ost of those persons had been born and niirturedin the Ines • inveterate prejudices against the principles andyers ° of those whom they were called upon to try. Let spy one go into the Dublin booksellers' shops, and the re they would find books for the education of young children filled with ten thousand exploded calumni es ; against the Catholics of Ireland and their re ligion - : - (Hear, hear)—and when the youthful mind was so pa t " soned, it was no wonder they should be bigoted,, nar row-minded men.—(Hear, hear.) He came back to t he _ A question he had originally intended to put. What gw' had these State prosecutions done ?—(Hear, hear t ; ) ; Would the people of Ireland be more attached to the union, because the lives of the people were jeopax'di s • by the manner in which the Clontarf proclamation w ., 4 7; issued ?—(Hear, hear.) It had been said by the Nel l 4 , Lord, the Secretary for Ireland, that the issue of tu t , proclamation had been agreed upon on Friday night' 131 , 1 0 it was deferred until Saturday afternoon, in order tot word it properly. Now, when the lives of so many of her Majesty's subjects were perilled, he did think,„ . .,w. Privy Council might have delayed their sitting on •r,',4 day night until they had written it. Anything w i t'. have been better than the mere possibility of such an currence. A rumour was prevalent in Dublin whic h would not mention—but yet he thought it better to a° - i n to show in what condition the minds of the peoP le i s Ireland were. He hoped the rumour was not true -- • was ready to disbelieve it. It was said that two Me" bers were to be found on that Council—and he wouldl„ that neither of them was the excellent and gallant % a t tlemen who commanded the forces in Ireland -- two members of the Council suggested that the II; dreds of thousands might be allowed to assemble 0t Clontarf, and when the excitement was at the hig he st pitch that troops should be poured in, the Riot read, and, if they did not disperse in fifteen r ainutes , r disperse them at the point of th e bayonet—(Hear, hq t : t It might not be true, but such was the impression vier was prevalent in Dublin. He wo u ld h e h a ppy to h il l, this rumour denied upon authority. W ou ld ali cr t nr , make the people more attached to the union—(K hear)—because their rights and libe r ti es w ere W I be placed in jeopardy?—(Hear, hear.) Would they more attached to the union, because they saw the mang y (and this was a question which might b e b e tter 0% 0 by any other than himself)because they saw the t ees whom they loved and revered, a n d w h o bad "•cie, for forty years their champi o n an d th e ir pri,.. ) condemned and waiting for his sente nce ?—(Cheer a t The Right Hon. Gentleman oppo s it e h a d t o ld thew tea. it was his intention to brin g i n s o me ver y good in e• sures. Perhaps it was. But the Right Hon. Gee o f man did not need him to tell him that the peor ie m s , Ireland distrusted him—(Ch eers )— an d it wo uld ta, eo great deal to convince th em th a t h e was i n earn est ic,i bB he said it was his intention to a m en d th e franchise• .as franchise was a very good thin g; b u t o f w h a t use ~t .s the amendment or the exten s i on o f th e f ranc hise w7 i i i they who were one-third of the empire possessed 1 0 1 one-fifth of the representation?—(H ear , h ea r.) L ic u ich heard a good deal said about th e sma ll p ro p or tion wD O , I the Irish paid to the taxation of the empire. Tha t e , not the time to go into the discussion of a mere 0 7 es . rical question, but he did not hesit a t e t o sa y, and 'the tlemen opposite knew it well, that Ireland paid in ire , proportion of three to four in the taxation of the eni t i o e li and yet her representati o n was i n th e propor et of only one to four of G rea t Britain.—(Cheestil Right Honourable Gentlemen t a lk e d of a occ i foe education, and if they were prepared to act in g un , faith, they would conf er a grea t b ene fi t upon the c t he try; but why did they not do something to imerl or it material condition of the people—(Hear, hear) t hs4 was well known i n th e history of human nature as men improve in their physical condition, 00 1 00 desirous to ed uca t e th e i r c hil dren and elevate themmating their own condition. They talked, also, of anielioraltof the relations between landlord and tenant. Here had touched a most delicate and dangerous subjeceir'ejo (Hear, hear.) • He had received many him hose of letters, addressed to him by persons vi hopes or fear s h a d b een ex t ravagant l y exc ited hY :s js present Commissio n . So maddened had their re' ers , been by the evils and opp ress i ons o f t h e ex isting tt i'de tern, that it would be v er y diffi cu lt i n d ee d t o pet's n ot , them in the end that the Commission was w ao a mockery and a delusion. M an y o f thosei n had been ejected from their holdings wer e it fond hopes that they wo u ld be restored 0 heir land ; whilst those who had superseded them in farms, were under the equally dangerous im,Pr e t heir, that they might be turned o u t t o ma k e r oom Te r b s ur° predecessors. Some might say that it , was Yell a Pell for the people to entertain such id e a s ; but the Pfi r ise who said so had little notion of what thoughts 7 i v i sps ir• in the minds of men writhing i n th e d e pths of "'weal ; Did they wish to see a m a d an d un i v ersal ou shaking the whole framework of society in Irelan; s te, (Hear, hear.) He trusted that they would, at arches° endeavour to deal efficiently with that danger. . a noi Who were in the power of the Ministry a l let 8u the -, fn supplicate their mercy.—(Hear, hear.) ,„-, the - , • them turn to the condition of Ireland. •L'i n oneJ adopt some measure which would bring back the V' of Ireland to Ireland, and open up her reson o _ try (Hear, hear.) Th ere were d ra i ns f rom that ° T here under which no country ever yet prospered. Abo ut ° were nearly five millions of absentee rents. l i d million was shared from the reduced governmen penses of that country. There were in all ni c h •s ,:t millions drained from the cou n t r y—a sum w gr e ' s h , ceeded her total contributions t o th e r evenue• v n gli deal was said about the impossibility of drawing t attegee:: capital into Ireland. H e b e li eve d th a t that in e cos, ther a fallacy. But, even su pp os i ng it 'to be thew , let them adopt some measure which w ould f t N as a l the use of their own capital.(Hear, hear.) s them to say whether the present state of thliMclu" go on, or whether th e y wou ld b o ldl y me et the. t he of Ireland. He did not wish to say anything l ° eo ple, st, of menace, but he would ask, what had the P, ii r u 4 Ireland to - attach the m t o E ng li s h con nectiot i l i ' re a was there in the tyranny whi c h th e y now, en at der .4 exceeded any which they could suffer un li t he reign power ? He would not say anything i n th° ° &X of menace ; but he would ask whether, e ve n - fatn i " virei. bane some of those reverses to which nations as tent: were subjected, came upon them, was it wello nred one-third of the empire in permanent ha t (Hear, hear.) Was it well to be accuraulati; sw o t against themselves when •they raie t „„ Ir e ‘e hl e r ing up love ? Was it well to, n.....5`'" s pc "; 0 0. a miserable slaye, instead of having he r hes r.) 4 j o in ful and loving sister and friend ?—(Hear, eonc es- tea . oeople of Ireland had never yet received anY t i e . r any real kindness without labouring t° ,1 0a , Ge h ll oo fold. " Try it with them again," said the theY or ) man, " you will find the same disposition eit iat if hi always shown.—(Cheers.) I tell you pa st r ite conciliate Ireland, not at any period of 3,_° ‘‘ „ r osP!, fi s tory—not in your wildest imaginations of tr gloF e is of England, will you arise to such a pitc h sir, sh ii when you shall make Ireland your friend :gi „istrY tos , willing to be oonciliated. I call upon the 1 0 1 na itoc i, call upon this House—l call upon the ~1 3, g t to 11.°_„eoe to make the experiment.—(Cheers.) 3“:"O s tice - iro on and fear not ; be unjust—continue your tinue your tyrannies—continue your Insu i Lot gl I r erf your heads be the-fatal consequences." --( th e Colonel VERNER said that he knew . ont diog r le tnowiths e y e well, and he regretted to say tha die P es numerous concessions that had been read e _ A from oer of Ireland, they were still more estrange"' he 144 • * s .sjf other—Protestant from Catholic—tha n ,. ~r d if known before. He would ask the Noble L° t ad , befro' state of things as he had just described r oil t he to lowed to continue ? On a recent °ceas e ; 01) 0 ,4 0 ty testants of the North of Ireland had, w il their theme more than ordinary difficulties, displayed mit to t" bi tb° in casting aside the blandishments held eril er) the Repealers. According to the statembeellicea. ja de Hon. Member who had just sat down, Wil a % bed understood that the great complal b nk t 7 k c o a c th he e t V i ; re : l o l , X 4. , with regard to the late trials, was, been put upon the jury—but, he woula o r his Jur officer of the Crown, in the discharge thatl pos it oit l i tepe o , have placed avowed Repealers in that the hY ti i i :e had been proved beyond all doub t _ e movement was an emphatically_ t-a•_""Roinlin and mere fact of the great body of the d to t Ile clergy to a man joining in that ag e t u tat io l'e all i c h n e o re frequent appeals which Mr. O'Connell 8 e geninarl a d gious feelings of the peasantry 0 r Bibbo _ Verner) knew a case himself where ac q R ? o y divitif; been put-upon his trial and twice an , tha t .1 , 0 j tb uror of one juror holding out, an a juror eventually was found toties a have bolo os a they T cl art s. Ribbon conspiracy. .. the shoo Member for Dungarvon, in his late appeal then !li r t niod e which displayed Y A R p by w the Right y before m tit s s tati crl t he Court of Queen's Bench in Irelavriiddi Rthiagthhteja.sou ;fie in II the e ve r b e e s e u n it e o n f ab h l i e s d ob to ser b v ri a n ti g on v s i whilst ue depic t t he with his regiment in Ireland : he s hould th e° r to b le, ved by the P t ° h ° a t o° cs . generosity,' the charity hearted people submitted poorer, and the b c m h i e t e ted rfu d t l i n o s e p s m a s at he shoula r;rfle, d os w t it u h np w r il eF ic r ih m e e : te o d p i - r i i i ii c t wtiohnast.wolutmhbaednbeefietnfraeslkanedd ?byTHo of Irels n t flop s it would tend greatly to the benefit. tha Hon. Gentleman before he took his seatfrom pers on i s s o lim was to visit Ireland, and observe t the Ye llia g ent Nag 5 . rience' the state of that country. n regiment was stationed in Cork, ant il Ghe i i n i s e td e l e t lo tt' n e 1-1 :1 rY er in the co 1 hot. sent to protect the proctors le an d them ore A collision'ensued between the poi ) me n w 0 .Vera Tee „ote He passed the barn where those b see the to 10 bea r 1 were given to fire, and severs lying; and if 'Hon. Gentlemen were 0:0 to the wailings of the women, they causes wh i c h tem nances of the men marked by sallenultd hags, a little better what were the SV PUZde'rSt Pr( try del an( fall sla of ] PrE 141, iihr)