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ant.l.Yrottesum.. ths Market. While the National good faith was held pure and inviolate, lee entertained no doubt of , ancecontinuing to be vested in the British Funds: 'lt, should' be a twitter of the most serious deliltePt ,with the Legislature, where even the slightest Ontiht prevailed as to the qqeStion -of National Faith. While observing upon the question of taxing 'the Funded Property of the British Subjed, the Learned turd rentarkiti, that under the last Income Tax, that 'species of. property was . substantially, "though mit directly taxed." He again expressed his hope that the#Clile 'Duke would see" the propriety of not persisting in such an amendment. The Du4t of NURF')LK spike in explanation, and obtr*ved, that, the Funded Propertywas'as pro. pfrly thebbjeet of Taxation, as the Landed or any other. At the time a the Revolution a direa tax of 4 .5. in the,pound was laid on Land ; and though there Was an understanding when the Funding System was first 'commenced, the idea was held our that it should not be liable 'to any tax, hot he conceived that to apply to any of the then existing Taxes, and not to future imposts, .partieu. larly in cases of great • National emergency On these general &intuits, in addition to what he had before specifically adverted to,' he felt it his duty to rctsit in the Amendment ; ayd he also expressed his intention, should the result render it neeessary,' of recording his opinion upon tire punt as a dissenting Pe'er. The question bring put the Committee divided at the instance of his era‘e, when there appeared' contents 3 Non.contents 7 IVlajority 4 • . • . On our re-enterifig the -House their .Lordships were reccivi ,, g ME.ssages'irom the Commons. - ' ?Sir Wm. l'ut.Tusy brought up the Bell Rock Light House. Bill, as (ha Mr. ALEXANDFR the Scotch Malt Puny Bill. Akw private Bills were brought up 1))' Messrs. BULLIK, STANIFOkTII, mid other GI - idea - 1(I, which were respettively read a first time. The Earl Of SUFFOLK said, that as their lord ships were summoned for Monday, he should take an opportunity that day to call the Muse in a SUbi tit' the highest importance, the general D-ferice of the. Nation', whicli he sho u ld • submit some propositions to -the consideratiOn of their Lot dihips, particularly respeCting the appoint ment of a Military Committee, telative to which he intended to bring forward a Motion, The Order of the Day for the second reading of the Curates' ProviOon Bill being read, A co mmoti o n Of some length arose on a subjeel Bill, between the Duke o f Not. connteted wirh the tr<4.lr and the Loan CHANCELLOR, to the follow. ing general ciFa The Duke of NUkF9LK observed, that upon a further consideration and inquiry respecting a poi nt which the Bill involved, it treneheo to some degree upon o n e of their Lordships' longstandin g Orders, objealoo to the Bill's passing its present form was upon constitutional gritunds : it avowedly embraced two objeos, which he consi,lered a. perfealy distinet, and though the advance to be made out of the Consolidated Fond for the purpose specified, was so small a sum as 80001, is dot not alteethe consideration. The provisions of the Bill were; in both views, such as no in,in in that House c oo k) di';approve 4 7 —yet its involving two distiott objeas in such a way as twilit :fled against :tr. 'Order made•on grounds the most constitutional, and ((it the due preservation of tie ,tights, t ivileges, and .dignity of that Koose, hemust objett to its passing . . 'lle telt the lees relunclance to objudin g to it Ott the •consideration that it could be no very gre.tt convenionce' or injury to the very meritorious per. sons offeeted by the Rill, that it should be trust pooed till a very early period of the next Session. ; The interval of Recess, Under the circumstances of the Country, would the very short : immediately after which, the Objeas in qoesti on would be pro. peak provided for. Under these impressions, he Would Move', " than the Bill.be read t - second time that day' three months.'' On the - question being put, The LORD 011 A? ;I observed, that he had given his best attention„to, and made some far. slier inquiries respeCting the point to which he had last,night called their Lordship s ' attention, as in.' Volved in the Bill before them, and he.was now able to form an opinion that the Bill as s en t u p' by the other House of Parliament, did not infringe upon the 'privileges of their Lordships, However, l et the inclination of his opinion be what it might,. if he had entertained even a doubt respeEtin the Bill's militating against the order alluded to, he felt it his duty to submit that doubt to the consideration of their Lord s hip s . Th e O r d er in question applied to Bills sent up which embraced a second object, really and essentially different from the first, such as those measures Which induced the enactment of the Standing Order in question. In illustration of this point his Lordship referred to the Ex. trait he !IA made, and certain Precedents. He specified the instances which occurred ire 1698, 1700, 1704, and•in other years, one of * those Adis, 'he particularly adverted to, as raising a supply of two Millions for the current serviee of year, and at the same time enacting certain regulations with resped to the ,East India '['rade ; these were evidently two objets essentially different ~r l4 di ; ,. • tine, as were those provided for by the other Bills to which he referred. It was, however, very 'ail. ferent in the Bill' before them : no such dissimila. rity in the objects existed, and they were both for purposes which that House, in the passing ref the last Bill evinced its opinion, they should'he car. Tied into etre& There was one consideratinn which, to a certain degree, operated or, his mind, with respect to the passing , of this Bill i n this advanced peri o d o f the Session—namely, the .d sence of the far greats!' part of the Reverend B etic h ; their opinions on the occasion most probably their, Lordships would wish to hear. He liov:tl'.they. would' have the.: advantage, of the ad v i ce of these Reverend Prelates present, (LONDON and RUETER) perhaps the sentiments of the, Rev. Belch through 'them be learned. At any: rate, were it the sense, of the House that the should lie ir?et fur the 'present Session, it was essentially inciunbent Upon Parliament that the measure should be preiented Very early in the next, The interval of thelkems he agreed with the Noble Duke would necessarily -be of shortduration. tl'e • Bishop of LONDON expressed himself slimtly upon the oc'easion—The Measure in ques tion was one of which. he highly approved; his sentiments were entirely in its favour what the 6piniuns of his Reverend Brethren might be as to the prticular provisions of the Bill, he avowed him self unable to crate. The Bishop of EX' TER appeared to acquiesce in what had been said by the Rev. Prelate. The Duke of NoßFcit4 spoke at some length in explanatitio,iiis did , • The Loltp CjilANCE,!..pilt, Who took occasion to observe, that were,measures fur the objeas of' the present' fill not brought forward, early 'in the next Session of PaAli'arnent, (we believe his Lordship said the first week,) that he should deem it his duty to propose them himself. • • The question 'Was 'then put pn the Duke of 140 R. YOLK'S motion, which was carried, that the Bill be read a second time this 'day three months. After disposing of the temaining Orders of the Day, their Lordihips adjourned till to.morrow, when. it is supposed the last Bills will be biutight up from the otnmons. HOUSE OF COMMONS, • IIIAY, AUGUST 5. . • • A. new Writ Was ()Meted to be issued to eleet a M‘sher for Bury Sr. Edmund's', in the room of Lord • flsaysT, now Earl of BRISTOL;. The Warehousing Bill, the Tortola Port Bill, the Scorch Assessed Taxes Bill, and the American Treaty Bill were read a third time and passed. Lord AsalleasT'S Annuity Bill, the Irish Glebe I loose Bill, and the Wine Prize Bill were reported, and ordered to be read a third time to.morrow. The Report of the committee respeeting Irish Spirits was brought up, and, ordered to be taken into further consideration pn Tuesday. A Message from the Lords stated that they bad' agreed to the Irish Tea Exportation, the Auc. dunces's' Bill, and the Pilots' Bill without any amendment, and also to the Customs Regulation Bill, with amendments. The ,amendments to t h e above Bill w e r e . r ea d an d ordered to be taken-into fart!:ti - consideration to.morrout. The Foreigners' Note Bill passed through a Cont. mirtee ; the Report was received,' and the Bill ordered to he read a third time to-morrow. The Bell Rock Light.house Bill was read a third time and passed. • The Report of the Assessed Taxes Bill wall brought .up,' the amendments were read and agreed i to, and the Bill oldered to be read a third time to. morrow. Sir AND R !Yr •SN Al' HAMOND presented a Pi.. titiuu from the loolteeperi, ,praying, an increased' allowance for the maintenance of Soldiers quartered on them.--'Ordered to lie on the Table. • The SECRETARY iit WAR presented' a Petition from the I)ebtori - Confined—in • the Gaol of Cam. bridge, prayin g relief. "9 14 Fred to lie on the The LORD iVliorox presented a Petition from the adstors et,i.f t ned in the New Caul, Giltspor. street, praying relief. Ordered to lie on the Talk. 'The - Consolidated Fund Bill was read a third- time arta passed. Mr. A Xantaea brought Op the Report of the Irish Saga Bill. The amendments were read- arid agreed *, and ; the All was ,oldered to b e read a third time morrow. • Mr; ALEXANDER also brought up the Report of th... Neutral Ships Bill ;, the amendments were then read and agreed to, and the Bill'ordered to be read a third titk so.morrow. • • The CanaduCt;urt Bill was read a third time and passed. The Stamp Consolidated Bill was read a third time and pw,ssed. The Lord-' amendments in the VolUnteer Corps' Bill were taker i n to further consideration, and agreed to, and th l e Bill ordered to the Lords for their coticortelice.;. ' Th ' e Dcfence'l,lWrsdinent Bill was read a , third . time.The' St.C4!..ETAILIC at , Wale then proposed ' • several Clauses as follows : the first Clause pro. vides that that all Serjeants employed 'for the in. st suttion of VolunteerCorps,should.be paid 23. 6d, pet day. • The House 'Went intoa Committee on this Clause, in whiCh it was,read and agreed to, and the Repot reoei ved. Time second Clause granted an exemption to t h e : Moravians, w hi c h was alio agreed, to. The third Chase grants an exemption to Masters and Mates of Trading Ships, which was read and agreed to. The . fourth Clause' allows the appointment' of Officers in the' room of those displaced.—Read and agreed to. • -„ rhe filth Clause goes to _enable f the Lord Lieute. naot to appoint . Pepty. Lieutenants for . theme ,charge of his duty during sickness.-- Read and agreed to. .The last Ch.u,e obliges those prsons.enrolled in the Volunteer Corps, to take the Oath of Allegiance to His Majesty and Government. Read and agreed to. . Mr. StililltDAN expressed a wish that the Deputy Lieutenants should have a power to demand a list of all the, carriages and horses kept in time different Counties ; he also Wished that Coach -masters, and all those persons who possess carriages,. etc. slibuld volunteer file services of their carriages: and horses to convey the diaposable forc e oe:L on d or i , w h erever the exigenq of the,„olomeot might require it. , The SEC RED4RY..at..I7V4I? . said there. was a Clause to that effea its, the former A&. The C1 1 4.\C4.4 1 -Q l4 of ihr EXCHEQUER. said, that considerable t,tr ees h ad b een made to G. vitrnment of Hbriies and carriages for the u se o f t h e 41rmy. . • Celeuel CRAWFORD thou4ht.it would be n e . Cessary to remove hoses and carriage, on the ap. pearancedf the Enemy, to some distant place. the obs 7 e .h r e yea CH t tla A : C t E h e LL A ° ill ß of of . G C ;o l li e n S E :t e t: a t ß i n ta . l effea recommended by the Right Dr. Laswittarce said a few words. The SECRETARY at WAR said, the Bill Of, June last did every thing for the security of carriages and horses, should the Enemy land. On the question for passing the Bill, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. observed; that an Hon. Gentleman on the other side of the House, had miscoticeived his Hon. Friend (the SECRETARY at Wax) who had observed' Oa a Bill of the same nature as the present Defence.. Bill, might have been brought ' forward last ,Wari and not earlier, as the Hon. Gentleman oppositc , him had supposed, meaning this Sc lion. The SECRETARY at W J4R said, that he was certainly misconceived by the Tan. Gentleman as to the language he had used : 'his observation waso that a Bill of a similar nature' might have been brought forward last War : he da not say as the Hon. Gentleman had conceived, that sucha measure could have bee n b roug h t forwardearlier this Session. Dr. LAWRENCE ob serve d,' h e h a d no i nten d" to enter into the 'merits of the Bill, had not. an.Pb• nervation from the R t , H on . G ent . ( t h e C HAN CEL-. LOR of the E XCHEQUER ) i n d uc ed hi m to r i se . The Learned and Hon. Member then tooka Conipaiativi view of the last War and the present, as well as Of our Mi!itary Power than, and at the present period, and "lb° site :Military Power on the other side of the water : the danger which threatened the Country in the year'l797, _Was not equal to the danger of the present period, notwithstanding the Army l'i England were on our oppossite shores. But the din' cussinn which took place, at the above time between the French and the Austrians, almost shook the Dominion of France. But he thought notwithatanda . ing our . present Military preparations, the C_otirl was vulnerable at some po i nts. Th e H on ourab I Member then spoke in terms of high commendation with reaped . to the political principles of his lion. Friend: Mr. Wituntaat. The 'CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER' said, he d id not mean to coaiment on She Mai' try lecture. just delivered by the Hon. Gentleman (t)r. LAwatrac a). But if the Hon. Gentleman t ie d rai m t h a e rk ßi l l i l e , l i l l e ad w j a u s s s t u r d e el l i te v e w r e o t u t. ld not Hon. Gentleman tilat the present Bill ,did not inter- Ill }le eou ve ld m a a s t s ie u r ( e lie t l f t e ai fere with the comprehensive 'pisver of the former Bill, and he must be permitted tholiserve, that tle Hon. Gentleman ought. not to have accused Mini• stets , of being tardy : he maintained that there was no danger which had threatened the State that Mini sters had not guarded against. Persons in a respone ,ale situation were not to be subjed to continual attack without foundation. The office now lick' ll his Hun. Friend the , S ECRETARY s at W AR , was ail' ferent from thesituation of ihe Hon. Gentleman who Once Ailed it, as the charader of Privy Couociller did-not attach at present to the other office of trust. In taking the. whole of the subjed tinder consiLleu• • tion,, it watt highly improper to make such trifilrig • attacks, against Ministers. ' .' Mr. SHERIDAY said, hi should troulsle the House with but a few words upon- the present °Lea• sion, as the Hon. and Learn e d Gentleman (nr• LAWRENC E ), had to fight single_handed. Perhaps if the Right Hon. Gentleman (04r. WtatestiAm) had been present, he would, not,. liotte lotsinitsf.t. ,to s9P° things uttered by the HO. and Learned Gentig v oA4 The Hon. and Learned Gentleman, had talked of , various modes of debate, but in the preient in.. stance he had certainly debated with the dexterirY of a pleader. ' In answer to a question put from the other side of the House, he had gone into every' topic hut that which Was the subjea of the questions The Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (the Sect's: TAkY at WAR) had stated that he hi'd not admitted that_ theseaneaaures ought not to have been brisughe forward earlier, hut that that ohjeWoh came with an ill grace from those who did not bring forward similar measures in a period of equal danger. T il t Hun. .and Learned Gentle Man (Dr. LAwitzNcEra . denied -that the p er i o d a ll u d ed . to was a p e riod oS eqUai danger, but was it not state d at the time • lu be a period of the utmost terror ? was there not .the Rebellion in Ireland, the 'Northern C on federacy: the Artily 'of England, and other causes calculal to excite a. s e nse o f d anger .? W ould i t he d e n ted . that the Ri g h t H on . G ent l eman (M i . Wrt‘DH/4°„' then .thought the C ountr y in...a state of extret peril ?. H e did not i mpute - as a crime to that Rigby Hon. Gentle Man the holding of an office, but rather , that of holding his tongue, lot if a Cabinet Minis ter 'olding an office concealed the danger to which he knew the Country was exposed, he was certaioi), r , most criminal. IVIE.SHERIEOAN was here interrupicu . by General PtiIPPS, who oanceived it to ,be dila' derly to di. , cuss the chataiter and conduit ola Right Hai). Gentleman who was then absent. The SECRETARY at WAR T h ought the Hon. Gab. tiervum (Mr.%HP.RIDAN) was in order, General Pntrrs conccived,that it would he better to wait till the Right Hon. Chntleman (Mr. WIND' HAM.) was present. iIIf...SWERIVAN said, he should not press t llB subject, th oug h he did not conceive himself t° i_ ,disorderly. Al to the Hon.. Gentleman's saying,'" e had better w a i t , l it must be allowed that he ( M t.. SIERIDAN) was never s l ac k i n : answer i ng t h e , HUI . ). Gentleman (Mr. WINDHAm). What he h.; said arose . from th e argumeatam ad hominem 01 "; 1 use - of by th e H on . and Learned Gentleman, svi' ° had himself di scusse d t h e charatter and .cmu l o rl o f the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. WINDHAM)* t Dr. LAWRENCE rose upon the point °fordo, V I was interrupted by who , The CH A N CE L LOR o f the EXCHEQ,VEIt, observed that there was no question of order be' °f C the House. Dr. LAWRENCE explained. • s 'on C R olherved, that, an irnPr es-I had gone abroad, which he hoped was not the 1 ` 1 ; ‘ " s t ' that the, whole numb er o f men now wa nted 280,000 Volunteera already enrolled in Corr' they were to depend Upon this alone, the aclvanl would be lost. o f training and exercising the wil : he ; of His Kajesty's people. He onl y rose for eutpose of requesting' an explanation from Hi s en r jesty's . Minister s on t hi s po i nt , as should l ain if so great a measure was not carried into'effe 4 * bt • The SECRETARY at WAR- said, if w jg t° „b. wished that the Bill should be looked to before servations were made upon IL A.oo.wer and gl ere , to His 1 t43 ,1e 6 tY to can out to be trained - • • - . . ..... .._ -____ . ._ !-4...Cant..W.10tte.5ie1r.... - S the CotfiNi..l.l4 - .. %cit.:. . L....... .... 7 - ' • . . . • . ~ Market. While the N3tiong good faith was held he agreed with the Noble D u k e wou ld necessar il y Dr . LAwiturce said a few words. • pure and invi,,late lie entertained no doubt of abutid: ' be.of shoreduration. The SECRETARY at WAR sa id, the Bill o . . aneetnnt inning to be vested in the British Funds: It, t he Bishop of LONDON expressed himself Ju ne l ast did every t hi ng f or the secur i ty o f carr i age s f 4 , .._ s h ou ld' h e a t w i n er of the most cerious delii)lti ma shlrtly upon the occasion—The Measure in ques- and horses, should the Enemy land. ' 1 ,with the 'L e gisl at ure, where even .the s lightest Otitil,t ( i on 'was one of which. he highly approved; his On the question for passing the Bill, ....- prevailed ila to the queStion - Of National Faith. sentiments were entirely in its favour ; what the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. - . 1 question of taxing*the opinions of his Reverend Brethren might be as to 1 While observing upon the observed; that an Hon. Gentleman on the other side ~-., Funded Property of the Brit iti Sullied, the Learned the prticular provisions of the Bill, he avowed him- of the House, had misconceived his Hon. Friend '.)• .Lor.l rentarkiti, that under the last Income - rax, self unable to state. .. (the SECRETARY at Wass who had observed oa i: , tint . species of• property was . substantially , "though "Ilie Bishop of ExITER appeared to acquiesce in a Bill of the same nature as the present Defence , i not directiv,..taxed. - lie again expressed his hope what had been said by the Rev. Prelate. Bill, might have been brought . forward last Wari 4sl itileDik e would see the .propriety of 'f he Duke of NortFot4 spoke at some l engt h i n and not earlier, as the H o n. Gentleman — Opposite,hial ... .. not persiiiiing in suc h an amendment. explanatidoii as did , , • had supposed, meaning this Session The Duke o f N)RF)LK, spoke in explanation, The LOR,p CLFIANCE ; r4OR, who took oc cas i on to Th e SECRETARY at 10k said, that he wit was • p, anal obtrikved, that the Funded Property as p ro . o h„ tvc , t h at vi,•6 , e,rneasures for, the objeCts of • the certainly misconceived by the'. trim. Gentleman as : - i.; ', pfrly the , objeet of Taxatian, as the Landed or any pr es e n t' Bill not brought torwara, early' in the next to t h e l anguage b e h a d use d : his observation Was, ::k' otlicr. At 11,e time of the Revolution a (ii.tea tax Session of Parlfatnent, (we believe hi s L or d s hi p sa id tha t a Bill of a similar nature' might have been ....; , • F . of 4 s. in the,pound , was laid on L an d ; and though t h e fi rst wee k,) that he should deem it his duty to brought forward last War : be did nor say as the P . there Was an Understanding when the Funding propose them himself. .' • • , ‘ Hon. Gentl eman h a d conc ei ve d , t h a t suc h a mea sure i; C, System was first .c,itnirenced, the idea was held The ques t i on 'W as ' t h en p ut on t h e Duke o f 140R_ could have been brought forward,efrlier this Session. ' . our that it ihould not be li a ble 'to any 6X, YOLes motion, which was carried, that the Bill be . Dr., LAWRENCE observed,' he hid no intenti" . i a hut lie conceived that to apply In an y o f the then read a second time this *dAy three months. , r • • to enter into the 'merits of the Bill, had not an , Ph. .. After disposingof the temaining Orders of the Dab, servation from the Rt. Hon. Gent. (the CH exi , ,ting 1 ;axes, anti riot to twure invosts, .particu. their LOrtighips adjourned t iff to.mnrrow, w hen, it Loa of the Exc HEZI r it) induced him to rise N . C I L II; • larly in cares of great • National eMergency :On , these general grounds, in addition to what he had is iupposed the last, Bills will be biought -up frOm Learned and Him. Member then tooka eoniparativi r before speci fi cally 'adverted to he felt it his duty to the c onirnons. . . view of the last War and the present, as well as of rersit in the Amendment ;rand he also exxressed his . . .-......................:-. our Military Power then, and at the present period, I intention, should the result render it necessary,' (if • recording his t.Tioion upon the viinc as a dissenting HOUSE c.)1? COMMO4VS, •_ • anti alb° the Military Power on theother side of the water : the danger which threatened the Country Peer Faro AV, A 110 usT 5. . . . ' t ~ . ' in the ye:tr•l797, _was not equal to the danger of !• ' The question bri n .. pit the Committee divided at A. new Writ was °Met ed to be issued to eleet a the present period, notwithstanding the Army l'i, ' the instance of his era(..e, when there appeared• , . Mmhor for Bury Sr. Edmund's', in the room of Lord ' England were on our oppossite shores. But the die' 1 ~ Contents - 3 • fisaysx, now Earl of BRISTOL. cussinn which took place,at the above time between '4 Non-contents . 7 . the French and the Austriang, almost shook the r , , ~ The Warehousing Bill, the Tortola Port Bill, the Scotch Assessed Taxes Bill, and Inc A - merican . Dominion of France. But he thoughtnotwitlistand . .3 a IVlajority 4 • . • Treaty Bill were read a third time and passed. in g our, present Military preparations, the Country . On our re-entering the - House their .Lordships Lord Atpteasri Annuity Bill, the Irish Glebe , la ~ was vulnerable at some points. The Honourab . ~. i ' were reeeivi ,, g Messages from die Commons. - ' Member then spoke in ' terms of high cominem l3 , 6°n • !Sir Wm. Pui.TENE Y brought up the Bell Rock I foibe Bill, and the Wine Prize Bill were re pe . o the political principles: ported, with res •ti t of his lien. • Light House Bill, as did Mr. ALEXANDER the and ordered to be read a third time D to-morrow. Friend. Mr. WrianitA t a. Scotch Malt Uty Bill. A few private Bills were The Report of the committee rose UD R Irish 6 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIE ,,, brought up by Messrs. BULLER, STAN! FORTH, arid , Spirits was brought up,. and ordered to be taken into , further Consideration on Tiiesday. said, he did not inian to COMIIDCIII on 0, mai' ity r. , other G•ntlemen, which were respectively read a leCture. just delivered' by the Hon. Gentleinmi (Dr. I . . A Message from the Lords stated that they had first time. : cl ; i 'arced tii the Irish Tea Exportation. the Ann LAWRENCE). But if the Hon. Gentleman lieu .• 14 , The Earl of SUFFOLK said, that as their LIM_ shins were ctimmoneti far kiliturilv. lie ti LI ..,1,-,. I ‘.9 the Bill, he was sure he would not hay made the re- !i 1111REAML PARLIdIVIENT. HOUSE OF PEERS, FRIDAY, AUG. 5. Trig Bills before the House were forwarded in their reweetive Stages, The Ein itf WisTMORLAND moved that the Standing Orders of . the +louse, Nos. 25 and 155, • be takenioto consideration ,stn Monday next, and the Lords summoned on the occasion, which was or.. clued according#. • The House resolved it-cif into a Committee, por_ suaitt to the Order of the Div on the Inipme' Tax • lord WAU.srtvcrtnrt io the Ch:tir. 7tibide of NUR FOLK called the attention of their, Lordships to a particular Prtvlsion in 'the Bill, %Odell went 10 render Paria-hes liable to defictenciet in the amount of the..Tax' them in cersoin eases ; such, tfor instance as defalcatiOns arising from tie absconding. of ColleCtors. Ste.", He •thought a provision should be introduce-. 1 to enable the Prishes to get Securities,froto those persons ; as , otherwi4c Parishes may he sufferers to to very great amount. He was iriloioned of 'at) ittst:!llo of this during - the operatioreof the late,lncothe Tax,' in a certain Parish': in - ,WriiMinstet, which in eon s e. (picric* of one; ,f the Colkat)rs running away, the l'arit.h red coosideraide amount. He thought •theParishesslould he rendered as secure possible. Grace,-, however,' made at..thiit Time no soeCific proposition on the subjeti, When the Committee came 'to the consideration of that Clatise which goes to exempt the Dividends, 4rge..of Foreigners fropi the operations of the Bill, The Dide of NORFOLK, in pulAuance of 'what „ening . ,.rose to deliver hip sen d. he said iesterdiy ,meaty on this point: He was guided, he observed, by no motive ,whatever to impede the measures,of GovernMent, especially in such a period as the pre. gent. On the contrary, his view was on grounds • „ which lie thought fair and proper to render the pro :l.-posed Tax ?fibre produetive', and ;o facilitwe its operation. With respeet to the provision before the Committee which went to exempt the Stack held by Foreigners, he could conceive but three grounds on .which .Such a tegulation., could be proposed :—First With a view to an improvement of Revenue : se condly, from motives of policy: and thirdly, on the ground of National good- faith. The first ground carried its own refutation so obviously with. in itself, that it would almost be a pocket.) , to argue against it. certainly the exception of a ' given quantity of Income must diminish the amount of tits 'Fax:,' As to the 'second point, oil principles of well founded policy, he entertained strung doubts, li e would suppos e the motive to be the apprehe ns i on that taxing the Dividend of Foreigners would give such a drgree*of umbrage to whatever Nation they belonged, as might lead to a rupture between it and this,Couotry, It did not Strike him in that light. He would suppose that the whole amount of the in terest paid fur the National Debt was ao Op; of which he would suppose that one-tenth, or two millions wss paid to Foreigners scattered over different parts of the world. He thought two mil. lions would be found to he the greatest sum paid in such a way. Of these Foreigners, he thought the greater part were inhabitant's of the Republics of Holland and of, France with these' Countries we were engaged in War at present, therefore no argu. anent of that kiral could amply as far as it respetted them, , The last ground of all was certainly the most serious and important, and tie' should be one of the last meal in the kingdom who would think of Orgi, g any proposition which he 1114;1 would, the slighiest-degree, derelid from the National not and good faith: that he ha l ted their Lordships, the other iloe,se of Parliament, and the - Government of ti,e wary, would he always zealous to uphold and Maintain : hoWeyee, he was not aware, at least' from his view of the subjot, that non-exemption, of Vciatne: of that description would bo a breaci i of • National Faith. At any rate, in the way in which he should propose to amend the, Clause, such an ie4iota could not lie; the tendency of his 'Amend met4t would be to aubjeet future Foreign Purchasers, or Proprietors, to the operation of the Tax. There' Was' one very great ohjeCtion to such an exemption,' because it would. afford a d opportunity of fraud .and collusion to an almost incalculable extent.--!. As he understood the Bill, Foreigners may be made Trustees,' how easy then would it be 'to enter a given quantity of Stock in the. name' of a Foreign Trustee. Suppose such a ruin of produced 30001. a year, there would be an annual defalcation of revenue of t col. Upon this part of the sub. jeet, the Noble Duke argued somewhat in detail, and touching upon the objeaion, "that Foreigners b oug ht into the British Funds„ upon the 'good faith of their receiving the current interest, but after this m should be passed, the case would be altered. Foreigners would know the altered circumstances under which they purchased, and under that gene. ral.idea, what he should propose .pr.-ceeded. The Noble Duke concluded; by• . moving for the intro.: dalion into the clause, by .way Of amendment, 1 ! that Foreigners purchasing after the passi ng o f t hi s Alt, or such as should become proprietors through begOrsr, or in the case of Atburnistration, should be liable to . the operation of the On the question being put, Th, LORD CIIANCeLLOR rose . and observed, that much no he respetted every thing propoSed by the N dile Puke, the pre , ent was an occasio n on whioh Itr rt whit not coincide with him. His Lord. s hi p principally considered- the question on the t roon d of National Gino, Faith, anti he all u d e d to In idea which had. gained ground, rather-improperly, tharit was a breach of good Faith, to certain ex . tent, to tax the Funded Proper t y even of the %Irish Subjeel ; ; , gaitist this he would urge the plea, that - t h t , G enera l S a f e ty was paramount to every other consideration, !laving ably argued this point, he , came to the consideratioti - of the' Foreign Credi. t o ith whom the case war essentially 'different, which involved questions of equal delicacy and ir,"w aner , the degree of ,interest whielt the' F t e y.r Creditor had in import of the State, was. e rti'lrfibUtote, with the amount (Idle sum which lie It d (sued in our Funds. In addition to this, was t o Inc ed the of which, taking or th e ex csp , r tion, would have: on what hi might call tficiromign -- k f ~,