The Sun. — London, England, 1844-08-02 00:00:00

in no 71 marke d t' erritori,c,r, ale_ 13rIti$ n from all parts of the country ; special trains, super numerary coaches, buss,s, arid every other variety of equipage that the means of some and the ingenuity or others could make available, contributed to increase the throng, and vi give to the most pievire.que course iii the kingdom an animation and i-p:rmileur that sets our feeble powers of thecriptien at nought. With such a crowd, some jostling and confusion was unay. 'in the narrow approaches to the t ;rand Stand. and an occasional crash gave unwelcome evidence of iinskiTul Jr careless driving; but on the whele the exertions or Superintendent May sad his colleagues (In-psetors Pearce and Land, and Sergeant Langley), were successful in preserving toler able order, and preventing any serious accident - . In a previous report we gave the names of the distinguished personages that composed the party invited to partake of the hospitalities of Goodwood House during the races; all, we believe, but Prince William of Prussia, Earls Spencer and Chesterfield were present this afternoon. In addition, we observed Lord Dorchester, Lord South ampton, Lord Andover, Lord Longford, Lord John Fitzroy, Lord C. Manners, Lord Edward Russell, Sir George Houston, Sir M. Farquhar, Sir W. Codrington, Sir Charles Cockerell ; Hon. Admiral Powlert, lion. Captain Boyle, Hon. A. Berkeley, Hon. Captain Stanley; Colonel Wyndham, Colonel llornby. Major Udny ; Messrs. Cockerel', J. Mills, Clive, J. Bayly, Magennia, Bowes, Brand, Phillimore, Cavendish, Wigrain, Palk, Caney, Towneley, Oliver, King, Worrall, Higgins, Shelley, Gratwik ke, Sloane, Stanley. Scc. The first race in the list was run at half-past twelve o'clock; the other events followed in quick succession till five o'clock, up to which time our report is made, leaving two or three races for the next dispatch. Match, 200, h ft. T.Y.C. Bst 51b each. Lord Exeter's bf by Retainer, 3 yrs ... ..... (Matson) 0 Lord G. Bentinck's Alva, 3 yrs 0 2tol on the Purity filly. A remarkably fine race terminated in a dead heat. A similar result attended a match here last year between the same horses. The Molecombe Stakes of 50 sous. each, hft ; for two yrs old colts, Bst 71b; fillies, Bst 4lb ; winners (matches excepted), 51b extra. T.Y.C. The second to save his stake. (21 Subs.) Mr. J. Day's Nutbourne (T Day, jun.) 1 Duke of Richmond's Refraction The following also started, but were not placed : Lord Albemarle's b f Tisiphone—Lord G. Bentinck's b f Pulce—Lord Chesterfield's ch f by Hornses, out of Industry—Lord Eglinton's br f Plaudit—Lord Eglin ton's br f Bretwalda—Mr. Gratwicke's br c by Mus, out of Carlotta—Mr. Herbert's ch f by Elis, out of Charlotte West—Colonel Peel's b f Hersey. Lord Eglinton declared to win with Plaudit. Betting.—Even on Lord Eglinton's two ; 2 to I agst Plaudit ito 2 agst Nutbourne ; 4 to 1 agat Refrac tion ; and sto 1 agst Hersey. Plaudit jumped off, with the lead, and made all the running to the distance, when it was taken up by Refraction, Nutbourne, who had iieen lying off, taking the second place ; at the Stand he went up, ran .with her to the last two or three strides, and won cleverly at last by a neck ; Plaudit a bad third. This race was run in a drenching shower. Match, 100 h ft. Cup Course. Lord Maidstone's Larry M`Hale, 4 yrs, I 2st 51b(Owner) 1 Lord G. Bentinck's Capt. Cook, 4 yrs, llst slb (Owner) 2 The betting began at 6 and 7 to 4 on Captain Cook, but before starting, had changed to 5 to 4 on Larry M'llale. The running was made at a slow pace by Larry WHale, Captain Cook waiting on him to the bot torn of the hill in returning, where he made an attempt to get up, but failing, was pulled back, and nursed for a rush, which, if not successtul, was made with so much skill and resolution, as to bring him within a neck of Lord Maidstoiie's horse at the finish. The appearance of Lord George Bentinck on the pig -skin, after an interregnum of many years, was hailed with loud cheers from all parts of the course. B tth Noble Loris were fined for being behind time—art offence attributable, no doubt, to their anxiety to avoid a shower that Dais' no respect to rank. Sweepstakes of 200 sous. each for two yrs old ; colts, Bst 71b ; fillies, Bst 41b ; .31b and slb allowed, ezc. T.Y.C. (10 Subs.) Mr. Wreford's bro to Wintonian (J. Day, jun.) 1 Colonel Peel's c, by Slane, out of Cobweb Duke of' Beaufort's Captain Phebus (31b) 3 Duke of Richmond's The Laird o'Cockpen (31b) 4 Lord G. Bentinck's Plenitude (31b Lord G. Bentinek's Clumsy Mr. Worley's John Davis Betting. —Even on Cobweb colt, 2 to I agst Captain Phebus, and sto 1 agst bro to Wintonian. Captain Phebus made the running, followed by the Cobweb colt and Clumsy, bro to Wintonian lying off until the leading horses reached the distance ; he then took the lead from the Captain, and with - the Cobweb colt at his stern, made the remainder of the running, and won easy by a length; Captain Phebus was a good third, and the Laird o'Cock pen a bad fourth. The Racing Stakes of 50 soya. each for three yrs old. The second receives 100 sovs. out of the stakes. New mile. (25 Sub,,) Mr. Gratwieke's Needful, Bst 71b (Bell) 1 Lord G. Bentinck's Devil-to-Pay, Bst 71b 2 Sir G. lleathcote's Akbar, Bst 71b a Colonel Anson's Joe Lovell, Bst 7lb Betting -6 to 4 agst The Devil-to-Pay, 2to 1 agst Akbar, and 2to 1 agst Needful, &c. The Devil-to-Pay made play at a good pace, followed by Needful to the distance, where he challenged ; a fine race home be tween this pair ended in favour of Needful by half a length, Ak,tir furnishing a good third. Sweepstakes of 25 soya each for two-yr-olds. T.Y.C. (II Subs.) The Duke of Rich nond's Refraction, and Mr. J. 1)4 3 7 's The Maid of Orleans, divided the stakes, and Re fraction walked over. Post Match, 200 soya h ft. T.Y.C.—Lord G. Ben tinek's Bose of Cashmere, Bst 41b (Rogers) 1 ; Lord Glasgow's br f by Bay Middleton, dam by St. Patrick Bst 41b, 2.-2 to 1 on the Rose of Cashmere •; won easy by a length. The Goodwood Cup of 3001., the rest in specie, by sub scriptionsun of 20 sovs, each, with 100 added from the I ( s2d S ; ub th s. e ) Course.seccuopndto receive 1001. out of the stakes. M p r. ie S m a a li n i ) n' s Al ice Hawthorn, 6 yrs, 9st 51b (Tern- ; Lord Chesterfield's Prizefighter, 4 yrs, Bst 51b... Mr. W. H. Johnstone's The Era, 4 yrs, Bst 81b .... • 3 The following also started, but were not placed : Mr. Wreford's Wiseacre, 5 yrs, Bst lib—Mr. Herbert's Antler, 3 yrs, 7st 41b—Mr. Osbaldeston nd Discount, 6 yrs, ist—Mr. Hodson rid Little Vivian, aged, Est 131 b —La Societe Vervietoise' Cameleon, aged, 6st 121 b Mr. Ford's The Ashtead Pet, 3 yrs, Est 31b. Betting 3 to 1 on Alice Hawthorn, 12 to 1 against Prizefighter, 14 to 1 against Ashtead Pet, and 20 to 1 against any other. Cameleon took the lead at starting, followed by Ashtead Pet for a few strides, and after wards by Alice Hawthorn, the others, with the excep tion of Antler, who ran out at starting and lost several lengths, lying up. The lead remained with th e F renc h horse t o the torn, where the old mare took it from him, and went on at a good pace, followed by Ashtead Pet and Antler ; and thus they ran to the hill in re•urning, Where the mare's two followers made an ineffectual at tempt o reach her. The 'Era then took the second Platte, but. without approaching the mare, who went on a h t ar i( d ti hel by Pt'hi7e'eh a letg t , t helr'rilz::flig%‘htaeYr', who"%'No.ans, third at the foot of the hill, caught the "Era a few yards from home, and beat him half a length for second. Antler was a bad fourth, and the others beaten off. Wiseacre broke down. Sweepstakes of 200 sovs. each for filly foals of 1842, Bst 71b each. T.Y.C. (6 Subs.) I 4 rd Eglinton's Britannia (Marlon) I B , wes's As you like it Mr. Wrt.ford's Wedding Day 0 Lord G. Bentinck's Ratafia 0 Lord Alhemarle's Alexandrina Lord G. Bentinek's b f, by Bay Middleton, out of Chapeau D'Espagne 0 ~E e tung- 2 to 1 each agst As you like it and Wcd `ung Day, and sto 2 agst Britannia. The running was made hy Ratafia to the distance, where it was taken up by Britannia, who was never afterwards caught, and a'nri cleverly by a length. A dead heat for second between As you like it and Wedding Day. Nothing else up. The Duke of Richmond's Plate (Handicap) of 100 sm. New mile. Du ke of Richmond's Cornopean, 4 yrs, Est 71b, (Abd•ile) L " r d Exeter's Algernon, 3 yrs, sst C aptain Harcourt's Sir Abstrupus, 4 yrs, 7st Blb 3 LoThe following also started, but were not placed : rd E xeter ' s El egance fill y, 4 yrs, i st 3 1b—C o l one l Yndham's Tom Thumb, 4 yrs, 6st—Lord George I ,_ e ntinek'a Black Gentleman, 4 yrs, sst 101b—Lord 'sslyn's Elewi, 3 yrs, sst 101b—Mr. Payne's Walpole, 3 i P .B , sst 71b—Mr. Payne's Christina filly, 3 yrs, sst— rd George Bentinck's Alva, 3 yrs, 4st 101b—Lord '''' e " l ;e Bentinck's Jew Boy, 2 yrs, a feather.—Won a Canter. The other two races were not run when our parcel was made up. COURT CIRCULAR. ThI.NDSOI. THURSDAY. The Queen and Prince en walked this morning in tke pleasure. grounds of Castle. air er Royal Highness the Princess Alice was taken an „,ag to d a y. " Chevalier Bunsen, Prussian Minister arrived at the Castle, from town, in a carriage-and-four, at one of loc k , this afternoon. His Excellency had an audience °fht sh.%) al Highness Prince Albert, and, after lunching at the 3tle took his departure on his return to town. hay he Hon. Miss Hamilton and the Hon. Miss Stanley l .e arrived at the Castle, and have succeeded the Hon. ' w _ 4 Paget and Liddell, as the Maids of Honour in "' t int; on her Majesty. Th e ir o . n. Colonel Grey has relieved Colonel Buckley 11 tne duties of Eq uerry i n W a i t i ng on t h e Q ueen , and .lor Ge nera l W emyss has relieved Colonel Bouvet-le in the duties of Equerry in Waiting on Prince Albert. dr!ler Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent took a vin an open carriage this afternoon from her resi dense Fr. grnore Lodge. a, Ili the aftereoon the Queen and Prince Albert took airin g in an open carriage. Her Majesty and his 41 °Y l Highness returned the Castle at h a lf-p as t s ix. The hand of the Scots Fusilier Guards attended dur 'nl.:_cllnner at the Castle yesterday. ajety's private band afterwards attended and performed the remaind..r of the evening. The Dr " _.:e puke of Canal,. edge, attended by Colon,' Keate, left town yesterday morning for Brighton, and returned to Cambridge House in the evening. Dispatches were received at the Colonial-office yester day from the Governors of the West India Islands. eldThe Judicial Committee of the Privy Council sat yes aY morning, at ten o'clock, at the COuncil-office. The Lords present were the Lord President of the Council, Sir Edward Hyde East, Sir Edward Ryan, Dr. Lushingto Vice-Cha Knight Bruce, and Mr. Pemberton Leigh. The nce case llor of "Shumsoonissa Khanum V. R. J 413. Khanum," from Bengal, waa partly heard. METROPOLITAN NEW PUBLI CANS' PROTECTION SOCIETY. The tenth annual General Meeting of the Metropolitan New Publicans' Protection Society was held yesterday, at the White Conduit-house Tavern, Pentonville. The attendance was extremely numerous, and the greatest interest appeared to be felt in the proceedings of the day. The chair was taken about one o'clock by Mr. W. J. Pen ry. The CHAIRMAN said it was his duty to inform them that the Committee had culled them together on that occasion, to transact the usual general business con nected with the Society. Trusting that they would take the same interest in.the proceedings of the Society 113 they had manifested on former occasions, he would at once' commence the business of the day by calling on Mr. Bishop to read the report. Mr .Bisnor (the Secretary of the Society) then pro ceeded to read the report, of which the following is an abstract : After referring to the position of the beersellers at the first opening of the trade, and the opposition against which they had to contend, the report went on to say that the past year had proved to what extent the efforts made in the name of the public against the beerhouse and the beerseller, were really and indeed the true and spontaneous act of that public. The monopolist had not only failed to establish a case against the beersellers calling for the interference of the Legislature, but in their over-eagerness they had proved themselves the subornera and movers of every attempt to injure that class. The interested opponents of the open trade in beer had been proved to be the sinister, the vindictive, and the only enemies which the beerseller and the beer house had had arrayed against them. To prove this assertion, it was only necessary to mention the fact that so long as their opponents were at work against them, petitions and similar manifestations were brought forth ; but when that opposition was proved to be hopeless, its exertions, tending only to the advancement of the trade, the• so-called manifestations of public opinion became " like angels' visits, few and far between." The beer sellers and the beerhouse still existed, and what was the result of the extension of their privilege in the last three years? Why, that there was much less complaint either of or from the beerseller, than at any previous period, and that there being no concoctor or fomentor of discord, no opposing manifestation exhibited itself either in or out of Parliament. But few exterior attacks hav ing been made during the past year, the immediate at tention of the Committee had been directed to the petty but mischievous efforts of certain overseers, who, by putting into play the negative power with which the beer-laws had clothed them, bad raised a destructive movement, and upon several occasions interposed be tween the beerseller and the operation of the Beer Acts. The Committee had, in many cases, applied the gentle pressure of the penal part of the Act, and convinced the refractory functionary that he mistook or misconstrued the reading of the Act, when he considered that to be a discretionary power which the Act itself only made a ministerial one. Attempts had been made in several parts, in and about London, to restrict the hours during which the beerhouse was entitled by law to remain open. In every case, however, the efforts of the Committee in favour of the beersellers had been successful. In some districts the police had supplied the place of the base informer, and capriciously assumed the invidious task of harrassing the beersellers of the locality. The beerseller had the same right as another to have a lodger, a relative, or a friend in his hous-, but in several instances this had been tortured into an offence against the laws. In such cases. the Committee deemed it their duty to step in, in order to defend the harrassed beerseller in the fair and lawful exercise of his business. The financial prospects of the Society were very encouraging. The progress of the Society had been such as to secure to every widow the full advantage held out by the rules. In the year 1842, four widows were assisted from the funds set apart for that especial purpose. The like, or even a greater number, would have been equally benefited in the last year, had there been so many applicants ; as it was, all who applied were assisted. In the present year, no less than six bereaved widows would, by right of the claim left them by their deceased husbands on the funds of the Society, reap the benefit of the it associating together for mutual assistance, protection, and support. The report then referred to an alteration made in the proceedings of the annual meeting. lie concluded by reminding the subscribers, that if portents might be credited, a period was approaching when the beerseller and the beer house would be again brought before the public, and probably under legislative notice, and that it was essen tially necessary that every member of the trade should attach himself to the Society. From the financial statement, it appeared that there was a balance in hand of 1921. 17s. Id. Mr. PEARSALL moved, and Mr. BARNSHAIY seconded, the adoption of the report.—Carried unanimously. The. SECRETARY said it would not be necessary to proceed in a formal way to the election of widows. The Committee were empowered to devote one-eighth of the funds to the allowance for widows, and it happened, for tunately, that, after the allowance had been made for the widows who than had claims on the Society, there would still be a balance in hand.—(Cheers.) On the motion of Mr. STALWOOD, seconded by Mr. Coi.vm, the report was adopted unanimously. The following were then announced as the names of the persons elected to fill the places of those members of the Committee who bad retired as required by the regu lations of the Society :—Messrs. Monk, Pearsall, Lush, Knight, Higley, Glass, Matthew, and Bennett. Mr. PROSSER moved that the last day of May should be appointed, instead of the last day of July, for re ceiving applications from widows. Mr. KYNNERSLET seconded the resolution, which was carried. The CHAIRMAN said the formal business of the meet ing, so far as the Committee was concerned, was now brought to a close, end it would be open to any gentle man present to make any remarks or proposal to the meeting. Mr. Hamrcrws could not help referring for a moment to what took place at the last annual meeting. He could assure the gentlemen present that he was not in fluenced by any feeling of disrespect to the Committee, or any other persons, by the course which he then pur sued.—(Hear, hear.) The step which he took was one which was, he believed, congenial with the feeling of the trade generally, namely, that the annual meeting of the Society should take place without any interruption from strangers.(Hear, hear.) He was very happy to see the alteration which had now been made. He wished to see the beersellers conduct their own affairs. Let the business of the Society be carried out by its members, nd by them alone, •nd there would be no repetition of the scene which occurred at the last annual meeting. He had a motion to propose, before he sat down, with re spect to the power of calling annual meetings. He thought that, at present, there was not sufficient power given in that respect to the subscribers of the Society; and he proposed to alter the existing regulation by em powering thirty members of the Society, by requisition, to call a general meeting. Mr. NIAYTIEW seconded the resolution. The SECRETARY said he was quite sure that in the former part of the remarks of Mr. Hawkins the Com mittee us well as himself fully concurred. He could not, however, agree with him as to empowering thirty sub scribers to call a general meeting, lest that power should be exercised in an improper manner, so as to prejudice their interests. As far as scrutiny went, the Committee was perfectly willing to meet the subscribers as often as they pleased ; and indeed the subscribers already had the power of being present at all the Committee meet ings. Having made these remarks, he would leave it to the discretion of Mr. Hawkins whether or not he would persevere with his motion. If the Committee refused to call a meeting in any case of urgent necessity, the matter might easily be brought forward at the next annual meeting. No complaint of that kind had been made up to the present time. Mr. LINDsEY opposed the motion. He thought the subscribers dig not require any more power ; they did not exercise that which they had already.—(Hear.) After some further discussion, Mr. Hawkins's proposal was put from the chair in the following form:— That in rule 10, after the word subscribers, the follow ing words should be inserted:—" Upon receiving a re quisition signed by 30 subscribers." The motion was rejected by a considerable majority. Votes of thanks were then given to the Chairman, for his impartial conduct on that occasion, and to the ,Committee for the manner in which they had performed their duties during the past year,.after which the meet ing adjourned. At the close of the above meeting the subscribers and friends of the Society proceeded to the large tent, con structed in the White Conduit Gardens, where an excel lent dinner was served up by the host of the establish ment. Mr. Lindsey, the treasurer of the Society, pre sided. After the cloth had been drawn, and the usual loyal toasts had been gone through, Mr. KYNNERSLEY proposed " Lord Monteagle, the Patron of the Beeersellers' Pension Fund, and our other Parliamentary Friends." In proposing the toast, he ad verted to the great service Lord Monteagle had rendered to them as a body. Their cause had also, he said, been greatly assisted by Mr. Warburton, Mr. Aglionby, and other Members of the House of Commons ; and to each anti all of these gentlemen their gratitude was justly due. —Drunk with three times three. The SECRETARY proposed " The Metropolitan New Publicans' Protection Society." He observed that when this Society was first established, not more than four or five staunch friends could be found to rally round it ; but believing both their principle and end to be right, they had persevered, and were now rewarded for their exer tions. He then adverted to the struggles in which the ' Society had been engaged, and in which it had formed a nucleus for the trade, enabli ng th e m to state their case in the most effectual manner. To prove its necessity, and the advantage which it conferred, ho observed that, on the principle of consumption, after all its efforts, there was only a Parliamentary majority of two. What would have been the result if those efforts had been wanting ho left the meeting to judge.—(clear.) If the Society had conferred no other benefit on the trade than that of relieving them from the visits of the common informer, and from magisterial influence, it would have u substantial claim upon their gratitude; but the provision it made fur widows was another ad-. vantage, of which all must be sensible. He trusted that its aid would soon be further extended to old and de cayed members of the trade.—(Hear, hear.) On all these grounds he felt great pleasure in proposing the toast.—(Cheers.) —Drunk with great enthusiasm. It was then announced that Mr. Rouse, the proprietor of the White Conduit Tavern, had put down his name for 51. to the Pension Fund. Other toasts were proposed, including a vote of thanks to the Chairman, and the utmost conviviality prevailed until the company dispersed. The cricket match at Lord's between " The Gentlemen' .and " 'layers" was brought to a dose on. Wednesday . of fernoon after a content. of three days ;.the " Players" winn ing by 38 num. THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY MORNING, AUGUST 2 1844. AMIPEKIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, August 1. Their Lordships mat at Five o'clock. Lord CAMPBELL called the attention of their Lord ships to certain amendments made in the House of Com mons upon the Common Law Process Bill, and gave notice that he would move to make these amendments the subject of a conference. The Insolvent Debtors Bill was read a third time and passed. managing sayings' banks, and if the result showed that they cou:d be conducted at a less expense than that at which they appeared to be managed, whether he would reconsider the amount of allowance to be made to the trustees? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he should first like to see how the measure worked. He would not then object to make the inquiry to which the Hon. Gentleman referred. The Bill was then passed. MARRIAGES (IRELAND) BILL On the motion that this - Bill be committed. Colonel RAWDON said he acknowledged this mea sure as' a remedial measure, but he thought the Go vernment brought it in more as a matter of expediency than as a matter of right. It should have been brought in at an earlier period of the session. On the part of the Presbyterians of Ireland, he would say that no gratitude was due to the Government for this measure. Sir J. GRAHAM said that the Bill was under the consideration of the Government for a long time. It had been submitted to a Committee of the House of Lords, composed of several learned personages in that House. It was true the Bill was delayed for a long time, but that was owing to communications which had taken place with the Presbyterians, and he had hoped, until he heard the lion. Gentleman, that the Bill was most satisfactory to the Presbyterians.—(Hear, hear.) As to the grati tude which the lion. Gentleman talked of, the Govern ment wanted th e grat i tu d e o f no party . Th ey w i s h e d merely parties._ to satisfy the reasonable wants and desires of all Mr. BOUVERIE was glad that this Bill was intro &iced, which he thought was a just one ; but he thought that a system of registration ought to be combined with it. Mr. SHAW did not think the Presbyterians had a right to complain.—(Hear, hear.) If any party objected to the Bill, it should hare been the Established Church ; but they did not object, because they thought the, mea sure just. Lerd JOHN RUSSELL was very glad that a Bill of this kind was introduced, but he did not think it was right that this Bill, and other important measures, should be delayed till a late period in the session, and that the Government should then throw the responsibi lity of rejecting them on the House of Commons. In consequence of introducing Bills at so late a period, the House of Commons would only have to register the edicts of the House of Lords. It would have to give a form and sanction to those measures which the Crown required, but that part of the Constitution which en joined on the House of Commons the duty of consider ing measures would appear to be abrogated. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was surprised at what had fallen from the Noble Lord, who must be well acquainted with the mode in which public business was conducted. Surely the Noble Lord would not contend that this Bill and other Bills should receive the fullest consideration from those who were to be af fected by it, and from both Houses of Parliament. If such a principle were once recognised it would almost put an end to all deliberative legislation. Lord J. RUSSELL said he only complained that the House was put to the alternative of rejecting a Bill good and useful in itself, or passing it without giving time for due deliberation. The House then went into Committee, Mr. GRIENE Ln the Chair. Clauses from 1 to 4 inclusive were agreed to. Clauses 5 to 10 inclusive were agreed to. Clauses from 11 to 82 were agreed to, with some verbal amendments. The remaining clauses were then agreed to. The schedules were agreed to, and the House resumed. It was ordered to be reported to-morrow, and to be read a third time on Saturday. [Although the House did not formally adjourn, there was a cessation of busi ness for half an hour after, the Marriages (Ireland) Bill had been disposed of. The Speaker resumed the chair at a quarter before five o'clock.] ARTS-UNION BILL. _ . The report of the Arts-Union Bill brought up, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to mnrrow. CHARITABLE DONATIONS (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion of Sir JAMES GRAHAM, the House resolved into Committee on the Charitable Donations and Bequests (Ireland) Bill, for the purpose of intro ducing the money clauses. The clauses were intro duced, and the House resumed. POOR LAW RETURNS. Captain PECHELL asked when certain returns, for which he had moved, on the subject of out-door relief, would be ready, and also when certain returns as to the number of unions would be laid on the table. Mr. M. SUTTON replied that the Poor-law Com missioners had issued circulars to the different unions for the returns of out-door relief, but that not more than one-half of those returns had as yet been completed. With regard to the other returns he' believed the same difficulty existed, and he could not state when he should be enabled to lay them on the table. Captain PECHELL could not understand how there could be any difficulty in preparing the returns relative to the number of unions._ PETITIONS. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition-from Mr. Young, Mr. Landseer, and other artists, praying for an alteration in the Art-Unions Bill ; also a petition from the prisoners for debt in the Queen's Prison in favour of the Insolvent Debtors Bill. Captain PECHELL presented a petition from Lieute nant Green, complaining that he bad not received any remuneration from Government for certain improve ments, which he had introduced into naval architecture. SOLITEI-SEA. COMPANY'S BILL. The South• Sea Company's Bill was read a third time and passed. The Fisheries (Ireland) Bill was read a third time and passed. what might be the intentions of the Gorernment on that subject. It would be the duty of himself and his colleagues to watch the experiment, and if it turned out as he hoped and was anxious it should, he thought it would be extended to Ireland. BAPTIST MISSIONARIES. Mr. V. SMITH wished to put a question on the sub ject or the treatment which it was alleged a Baptist missionary had received in the island of Bermuda (as we understood). It bad been stated that a clergyman named Davies had thought proper to disturb the congregation of this Baptist missionary, and had caused his followers to be brought before a magistrate who had committed them to prison. He wished to know if the Government had taken any step; to investigate the matter? Mr. G. W. HOPE said that as yet no authentic ac counts had been received from the colony on the subject. STEAM PJWER IN THE NAVY. Mr. MORE O'FERRAL moved for a return of the amount of horse-power ordered for her Majesty's steam-vessels, between the Ist day of September, 1841, and the Ist day of July, 1844.—Ordered. CHARITABLE BEQUESTS (IRELAND) BILL. Sir JAMES GRAHAM rose to move the order of the day for going into Committee on the Chari table Donations and Bequests (Ireland) Bill, and said that after having so fully opened this question the other evening, he was very unwilling to trespass on the attention of the House, and yet there were two or three amendments which he was anxious to explain to the House, as having been introduced into the Bill by her Majesty's Government. In the first place, he had to state that it was the intention of the Government to insert words in the Bill by which more than one secretrary could be appointed to the Board of Cha ritable Bequests Commission in Dublin. Considering the vast amount of Roman Catholic charities which would come under the consideration of that board, it had been held to be expedient that more than one secretary should be appointed. Another alteration intended to be made was in the sixth clause. As that clause at present stood it contained considerable ambiguity, and it was proposed, therefore, to insert a proviso to the effect that nothing therein contained should be construed to limit the jurisdiction of any court of law with reference to these bequests. These alterations, however, were of less importance than the alteration hich he intended to propose in the 13th clause. The House would recollect that on a former occasion he had stated that there was an obvious legal imperfection in the clause as sent from the House of Lords. The clause as it now stood fell short of the announced intention of her Majesty's Government, for her Ma jesty's Government had declared that it was their wish to give every facility to the voluntary endowment, not only of the dignitaries of the Church of Rome, but the parochial priests—not only those now in possession, but all others succeeding. The clause as it was now framed gave effect to the former part of that intention with re ference to the now officiating clergymen, but it failed with respect to those succeeding, and it would, there fore, be necessary to introduce words to remedy this defect. The clause as it at present stood concluded with the following words, "in trust for any person in Holy Orders in the Church of Rome, and fur building , a residence for hie use, so long as he shall have the pas toral superintendence of any district or congregation professing the Roman Catholic faith, or in trust for any person in Holy Orders or a higher rank than parochial priest." It was proposed to strike out those words, and in their stead to introduce the following:—" Or any Archbishop or Bishop, or other person in Holy Orders' in the Church of Rome officiating in any district, or having the pastoral superintendence of any congrega tion professing the Roman Catholic religion. ' Mr. HARCOURT VERNON expressed his satisfac tion with the alterations which had been made in the Bill. Lord JOHN RUSSELL was glad to hear the ex planation of the Right Hon. Gentleman. On reading this Bill it appeared to him to be a very useful one, and ho was sorry to see that there were some words introduced into the measure which rendered the Bill somewhat imperfect, at the same time it did not seem to him that the words had been introduced with any offensive object, and, there fore, he was glad to find that the Right Hon. Gentleman intended to propose the alterations which he had sub mitted to the House. He could not understand why they should not plainly mention the titles " Archbishop and Bishop of the Church of Rome." They could not be ignorant that there were Bishops and Archbishops of the Church of Rome, and he could not conceive what objection there was to naming them. He was happy that it was now proposed to introduce these words. With respect to another point, the specifying the Roman Catholic Bishops and Archbishops as presiding over certain dioceses, he should not wish to raise that eontroversy at present ; on another question, it might be necesary to acknowledge in the Roman Catholic prelates the autho rities presiding in certain dioceses ; but it would be im politic to raise the question on this measure, and it would not be wise to have inserted such words in the Bill. The measure was limited to certain objects ; the facilitating the possession of endowments by Roman Catholic clergymen of Ireland ; and it being conceived in the spirit of justice" he thought it was one with which the House would generally agree. Mr. MORE O'FERRALL expressed his satisfaction at what had fallen from the Right Hon. Baronet. He valued the spirit in which the alterations had been made more than the alterations themselves. He did not wish to offer any sort of factious opposition to the Bill ; but, on a measure affecting the religion they professed, he and his Hon. Friends had thought it necessary fairly and openly to express their opinion upon it. The O'CONOR DON also expressed the satisfac tion he felt at the modification introduced by the Go vernment. Having been one of those who voted against the measure on its second reading, he felt bound to state that he had received communications from those whose opi nions he was bound to respect, but still he appreciated highly the improvements that had been introduced into the measure. Yet he must confess he thought that dif ficulties might arise from the interference of laymen with matters connected with the discipline of the Church. Mr. P. HOWARD thought it of the utmost import ance that one of the five Commissioners should be a Bi shop or Archbishop of the Roman Catholic Irish Church, but as he understood it, that concession had not been made ; he trusted, however, that, upon considera tion, the. Government would accede to the proposition. He was glad to hear that the making the Catholic clergy of Ireland stipendaries of the Government had been abandoned. He thought the proposition of his Hon. Friend opposite, that after the words "Bishop and Arch bishops" should be added " the other dignitaries of the Church," was a good one, and might be well adopted. Sir R. PEEL thought it would be more in consonance with the spirit in which the Government had introduced the measure to leave the discretion of the Crown un fettered. He trusted the House would adopt the altera tions proposed by his Right Hon. Friend, as they in cluded the names of the archbishops, and bishops, and clergy, of the Church of Rome. He felt no doubt that if the discretion of the Crown was left unfettered, the appointments under the Bill would be made in the same spirit that had dictated the introduction of the measure. Mr. BELLEW said the alterations proposed by the Right Hon. Baronet had taken away the objections he had urged the other night to the measure. He thought the Bill would now work well, and he thanked her Ma jesty's Government for it. Mr. F. SHAW said that no objection had been made to this Bill on the part of the Protestant population of Ireland, and he certainly thought that objections might have been more jnstly expected from them than from those from whom the had emanated the other evening. With respect to the proposed alterations, he was not in clined to quarrel about words, although he believed it was rather a new thing to find Catholic Archbishops and Bishops named in an Act of Parliament, at least, since 1829. He believed that the old Board of Charitable Be quests had, on the whole, discharged its duty fairly, and that it had given satisfaction even to the Roman Catholic population of Ireland. With respect to an observation made by the first Lord of the Treasury, he wished to observe, and in the same spirit, that, in his opinion, it would be better that the Government should be left altogether unfettered as to the appointments. On that ground he objected to the second clause, rendering it incumbent on the Go vernment to have five persons of one religion and five of another. It was calculated to keep up distinctions which had better be forgotten, and it might be found practi cally inconvenient. Suppose the respectable class of Roman Catholics were to agree not to accept the ap pointments ? The measure could not work at all. He did not object to the fact of even six or seven Roman Catho lies being on the board, if they were appointed irre spective of their religion, but he objected to five being appointed by Act of Parliament ; and he thought the Bill would work better if the appointments were left in the hands of the Government. He also approved of the suggestion of an Hon. Friend of his, that questions re lating to the discipline of the Church should be referred to a Committee composed of members of the Established Church in Ireland. Mr. SHEIL thought that the sentiments which had been expressed by the Right Honourable Gentleman did him great credit ; and he would not be instru mental in breaking into the harmonious spirit which pervaded the debate.—(Hear, hear.) He thought the Government had acted more than wisely in making these alterations, and that they deserved the greatest credit for their conduct. It was said it was a mere affair of words, but a principle was often involved in a word, and by the use of one single expression in this Bill, they had acknowledged a principle which might hereafter load to the most valuable results. They had a precedent. for the use of the term " Catholic Bishop " in the esti mates, in which a sum of 1,0001. was annually voted to the Catholic Bishop of Quebec, and a smaller sum to the Catholic Bishop of Newfoundland. He wished a majority of Roman Catholics on a Commission which would have to deal with the property of Roman Catholics ; and he wished a majority of ecclesiastics when the matter to be decided was of a spiritual or doc trinal nature. The Right Hon. Gentleman then read a letter from an Irish Roman Catholic Archbishop, who stood high in the opinion of men of all parties in this country, and in that letter he said, " I consider the Bth clause most objectionable, because it gives laymen a con trol over religious matters ; and if the Bill passed, con taining that clause, it would be considered an infringe ment on the Catholic Church." As far as temporal matters were concerned, he (Mr. Sheil) would have no objection—nay, he would prefer a majority of laymen, but in ecclesiastical matters he was entirely of the opinion of the Right Rev. Prelate whose opinion he had quoted. Mr. D. BROWNE took nearly the same view as the Right Hon. Gentleman. He thought the Bill was an unjust interference with the doctrines of the Catholic faith, at the same time that he gave full credit to the spirit in which the Government had introduced it. Mr. WYSE approved of the general provisions of the Bill, but thought the number of Roman Catholics on the Committee ought to be increased. He considered the best course would be to choose three judges indif ferently from the bench, who would form the legal element in the board. It was only right and , proper, that there should be a considerable number of ecclesi astics on the board, and he would suggest, that the Catholic visitors of the College of Maynooth—the Arch bishop of Armagh, the Archbishop of Dublin, and the Earl of Fingal, should be members of the Board of Charitable Bequests. This would amply sati , fy the people of Ireland. The House then went into Committee on the Bill. Clause 1 was agreed to. On clause 2 being proposed, Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said he had an amendment on the paper to omit from the clause the words, " and the judge of her Majesty's court of prerogative for causes ecclesiastical and court of faculties in Ireland," but owing to the fair manner in which the Government had come forward with respect to this Bill he would not press it, Mr. WYSE objected to the judge of the prerogative court being appointed a member of the Board of Cha • ritable Bequests in Dublin. Clause 2 was agreed to: Clauses 3,4, and 5, were also adopted, without diF cussion. On clause 6 being proposed, Mr. S. O'OBRIEN moved, in line 36, after the word " Ireland," the insertion of these words:—" Which shall be in question before the said Commissioners shall ho referred to a Committee of the said Commissioners, consisting of those Commissioners who belong to the said Church, and that all matters concerning the doctrine, Sir J. GRAHAM could not accede to the proposition, as he thought it far better to leave the subject to the discretion of the Crown than to tie the Commission down to any particular line of action. Mr. SHAW thought the proposition of his Hon. Friend a most reasonable one, but he would advise his Hon. Friend not to press it to a division. Mr..M. J. O'CONNELL said what he wished was that security should be taken to make this measure as perfect as possible. He hoped the Hon. Gentleman would not divide the House. After a short discussion the amendment was withdrawn. Mr. SHEIL proposed that three out of the five Roman Catholic members of the Commissioners should be Archbishops or Bishops of the Roman Catholic Church. He was sure that this sNould be necessary to make the Bill efficacious in Ireland. Sir R. PEEL hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would not divide the House. He thought it would not be right to restrict the power of the Crown, and that it would be better to leave the appointments in the hands of the Crown unfettered. Mr. SHEIL said he would not divide the Committee on the matter. Mr. D. BROWNE said he would divide the Com mittee on the subject. The Roman Catholic clergy would oppose the working of the measure if there was not a majority of Roman Catholic Bishops on the board. Mr. MORE O'FERRALL hoped that the Hon. Mem ber for Mayo would not divide the Committee. It would place the Government in an awkward position, for if the Crown were left unfettered, he was sure that three Ro man Catholic ecclesiastics would be appointed; but if the Government were forced to divide against the mo tion, they would be placed in an awkward position. Colonel RA.WDON hoped the Hon. Member for Mayo would not press the Committee to a division. Sir R. PEEL said that, whether the lion. Gentleman felt it his duty to press the question to a division or not, the Government would do their duty. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL hoped the Hon. Member for Mayo would not divide. Mr. D. BROWNE said he had formed a strong opinion on the subject, and he should divide the Committee. lie regretted that there was so frequently not only a diffe rence of opinion between Irish Members and the Go vernment, but between Irish Members themselves. After some further discussion, the Committee divided, when there appeared — For the amendment l4 Against it - 36 M it , -inst the - tendment —22 .ajority agar tunk The amendment was consequently lost. On our admission to the gallery, we found Mr. WYSE on his legs, moving the proviso of which he had given notice, that the three Roman Catholic visitors of Maynooth shOuld be three of the five Roman Catholics to be appointed a Committee under the pro visions of the Bill. Sir J. GRAHAM admitted that the proviso had been brought forward in the most candid spirit, but he thought it would be unwise to adopt it. Mr. WYSE, after a short discussion, withdrew the proviso. The clause, as amended, was then ordered to stand part of the Bill. Colonel RAWDON then moved a clause defining the persons who were to decide, in case there was any ques tion about any gift. Sir R. PEEL doubted the propriety of the clause. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL supported the clause. Mr. M. O'FERRALL thought the first part of the clause was unobjectionable ; but with regard to the second part of it, he thought the trustees of Maynooth were not the proper persons to decide on the validity of the appointment of Roman Catholic Bishops. Sir R. PEEL was glad to find that justice was done to the motives of the Government, and he would put it to the Roman Catholic Members whether they were pre. pared to entrust the trustees of Maynooth with the power of declaring who should be the Catholic Bishop. He thought it would be better to leave the board un fettered in their decision. Colonel RAWDON did not object to withdraw his proposition. Mr. SHELL thought that all difficulty might have been avoided if they had consented to make it imperative that certain Roman Catholic ecclestical authorities should be members of the board. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL supported the proposition, because he wished to avoid any cause for future ecclesi astical warfare. _ _ _ Mr. BELLEW said the trustees of Maynooth had no more power to decide who was a Bishop of the Catholic Church than any other person, Mr. P. HOWARD said there could be no doubt hut that no authority could solve an ecclesiastical doubt as to who was a bishop but the Court of Rome. The proposition of Colonel Rawdon was then with drawn, and the clause was agreed to. On clause 7 being proposed, relating to the appoint ment of the secretaries, Sir J. GRAHAM said that the report on the money clauses would be brought up to-morrow. The clause was then agreed to, with some verbal amendments. Clauses 8,9, 10, 11, and 12, were then agreed to. On clause 13 being proposed, Colonel RAWDON moved a proviso to the effect, that in all cases in which a dispute shall arise as to which of the secular Roman Catholic clergy is entitled to a bequest, the Catholic Bishop who has spiritual jurisdiction over such clergy, shall be legally authorised to determine the clergyman who has a right to the benefit of the bequest. Sir J. GRAHAM said, that all the objections which applied to the former proposition of the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman applied with tenfold force to the present proposition. Mr. SHEIL supported the motion of the Hon. and Gallant Officer. The clause in the Bill had been very carefully worded, and the Right Hon. Gentleman had taken especial care not to make the priest a corpora tion sole. Colonel RAWDON felt bound to press his motion to a division. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the Committee divided — For Colonel Rawdon's clause l9 Against it Majority On our return to the gallery we found Mr. HINDLEY objecting to the clause, as it confer red greater power on Roman Catholic divines than on Presbyterians. Sir J. GRAHAM said the same powers were guaran teed to Presbyterians. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL spoke to a similar effect. Mr. SHEIL said it would be well for the public to know that an individual bequest might be now left in trust for a convent ; that was so by the present law. He wished to know whether, under this Bill, convents would be excluded from grants ? Mr. WYSE spoke of the utility of convents. They were establishments of immense utility, and particularly useful in Ireland ; but they were excluded, he knew not for what reason, from the provisions of this Bill. Would the Government prohibit these institutions, to which re lief had been granted by the Emancipation Bill ? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the clause had no leaning directly on convents. Money could still be demised for conventual establishments. Mr. SIIEIL said it was true a bequest could be made, but the corporation which the Bill created would have no power to interfere in case the bequests were mis applied, The ATTORNEY-GENERAL (fur Ireland) said that in such case there was a remedy in a court of equity. Mr. MORE O'FERRALL said something more wag necessary. He recollected an instance in which a nun , nery was ruined by the misapplication of funds by the trustee. Sir R. PEEL said the Bill did not interfere with trusts now existing. He hoped the question of the Right Hon. Gentleman would be reserved for a future occasion —the question did not naturally arise on the present measure. Mr. SHEIL was glad to understand that the Bill would not affect donations to convents. A contrary im • pression prevailed in Ireland. Sir d. GRAHAM.said the Bill did not relax the sta tute of mortmain in respect to bequests made to con vents; but at the same bequests might be made for con ventual purposes, and the Commission might b e iv . pointed. trustees 4 0 that bequest. Mr. WYSE wished to know whether, if a donation were made for the use of a chapel attached to Stoney burst College, for instance, it could not be legally re cognised. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL (for Ireland) said he did not think monastic institutions could be recognised in a court of equity ; nor, by consequence, any bequest demised to them. They were especially exempted from the operation of the Catholic Relief Bill. Mr. SHEIL—Then I will tell' you what will be the consequence : the bequest is made, the Commissioners seise—it cannot be recovered, , and the Commissioners dispose of it exactly as they think proper. The ATTORNEY -GENERAL—But that law does not apply to Ireland. Mr. DILLON BROWNE rose to oppose the clause. Lord ELIOT expressed his surprise that the amend ment should have been proposed. Mr. SHELL ridiculed the idea of a man being allowed to devise a large sum of money to a parish priest, and yet not be allowed to devise a small tract of land for the same purpose. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL (for Ireland) said the distinction had been recognised ever since 9th Geo. IV. Mr. V.FERRALI.4.§uPPOrted the amendment. The Committee then divided. The numbers were— For the clause 4B Against it Majority for the clause The clause ss as then agreed to. Clauses 16, 17, 18, and 19, were also agreed to without discussion. The House then resumed, the CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again to-morrow (this day). MERCHANT SEAMEN'S BILL. The Merchant Seamen's Bill was read a third time. DEBTORS AND CREDITORS BILL. This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to bo committed to-morrow. TRANSFER OF PROPERTY BILL. This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow at twelve o'clock. Mr. H. lIINDE obtained leave to bring in a Bill to establish District Registers for Mines. The Lords' Amendments to the New South Wales Bill were agreed to. The House adjourned at a Quarter past Eleven o'clock. GREENWICH PENSIONERS' NEL- SON DINNER. LORD LINCOLN AND TIIE WOODS AND FORESTS. Yesterday a General 14feeting of the Subscribers to the above fund for giving a dinner to those pensioners of Greenwich Hospital who served under Nelson, upon the occasion of the inauguration of the Nelson column in Trafalgar-square, was held at Willis's Rooms, kings street, St. James's, to enable the Committee to explain to them, and the public generally, the reasons why the en tertainment had been so frequently postponed, and also to take the subscribers' opinion and wishes as to the manner in which the money should be appropriated Sir Edward Codrington was called to the chair, amidst loud applause, shortly after two o'clock. The lion, and Gallant CHAIRMAN said the object of this meeting was to show to the subscribers that the Committee had done everything which lay in their power to carry out the wish of the public ; and, in proof of that assertion, he would state as briefly as possible the steps which they had adopted to carry out the inten tions of the subscribers. The first meeting of the Com mittee was on the 10th of November, 1842, when they got the cordial permission of Sir Robert Stopford, the Governor of Greenwich Hospital, for all those pensioners who had served under Nelson to attend at the dinner on any stated day. The next step was to gain the sanction of the Commissioners of Woods and Forests ; and upon communication being made for that purpose to Lord Lincoln, he expressed much pleasure in affording every facility for the contemplated fete, as it met with his cor dial approval. As it was found that the state of the ground would not admit of the dinner being held upon the day then fixed, it was determined to postpone it to the anniversary of the battle of Copenhagen, the 2d of April, 1844 ; but a letter from Mr. Barry, the architect, stated that the interior of the square would not be in a sufficiently forward condition for the dinner to take place there. In consequence of thi s , th e C omm itt e e, hearing that it was intended to remove the hoarding, ad dressed a letter, on the 26th of April, to Lord Lincoln, reminding him of his promise, in November, 1842, to which his Lordship replied that his promise was de pendent upon the dinner taking place last autumn, and that the square could be kept shut no longer. The Committee, after this, determined to fix the dinner for the 24th of May, her Majesty's birth -day ; and, upon this occasion, Lord Lincoln said he could see no objec tion to the square being appropriated for the dinner upon certain conditions, the principal of which was, that the Committee would make themselves responsible for any damage done to the asphaltum pavement. In con sequence of this :promise, advertisements were issued, stating that the dinner would take place on the 24th of May ; but, upon the 17th, a letter was received from Lord Lincoln, stating that, owing to the defective condi tion of a portion of the square, he felt bound to withdraw his permission. This letter was received after many contracts had been entered into, and the Committee, put to much unnecessary and useless expense. Another application having been made to his Lordship, he stated, in reply, that the contemplated dinner was disapproved of by the Lords of the Admiralty ; but if a letter was brought from their Lordships, he would re consider his determination. The Gallant Chairman waited upon Lord Haddington, who distinctly denied that the Lords of the Admiralty disapproved of a dinner, and wrote a letter, in his private capacity, to that effect. To obviate another professed objection of Lord lincoln, and leave bim no excuse, the Messrs. Maude, the contractors for laying down the asphaltum, stated that, if any injury was caused to the pavement by the dinner, they would (as it would be painful to them to stop the festival) repair it at their own expense.— (Cheers.) Those two letters being -communicated to Lord Lincoln, ho still refused to assent, saying, as a pure matter of police, he thought it unadvisable to have a public dinner in an open space in the heart of a large metropolis. This latter objection was answered in two ways—first, Colonel Mayne, the Police Commissioner, said he had applied to Sir James Graham, and taken steps for the preservation of order; and next, he (Sir Edward Codrington) felt convinced that every Englishman who had the naval honour of his country at heart—there were few who hid not— would have kept order himself. The Hon. and Gallant Chairman then went minutely through the de tails of all that had occurred with respect to Parliamen tary discussions respecting the erection of the Nelson column, and said that soon after the close of the last war, a suns of 200,0001. had been voted for such pur poses as this, and had not as yet been expended ; and, therefore, he thought there was a claim upon this fund for as much as would have finished the pillar. He had now stated all he knew, and neither he nor the Commit tee could possibly tell the reasons for Lord Lincoln's conduct, for every one of the objections which he had urged had been subsequently removed. In conclusion he begged of any gentleman present, who was a subscriber, to suggest some proposition for the disposal of the sum of money which now lay in the treasurer's hands, which, after the deduction of incidental expenses, amounted to 3471. Before sitting down, he should state that Admiral Sir Robert Stopford bad suggested, in a letter to the Committee, that the money in hand should be either paid over to the pensioners, or funded for their families. Mr. WILLIAMS said he attended on the part of his Grace the Duke of Northumberland, to suggest origi nally that it ought to be appropriated to some charitable institution ; but he (Mr. 'Williams) might presume to say, that he was sure his Grace would at once coincide in the proposition of Sir Robert Stopford. It was then agreed that the money should'be funded for the benefit of the widows and families of the pen sioners for whom the dinner was intended. After which the meeting passed a cordial Tote of thanks to the Gallant Chairman, and separated. LLOYD'S SHIPPING. LONDON, Aro. I.—Wind, strong westerly breeze and cloudy. It blew strong with squalls last night. OFF MARGATE, J t7T : l* . :11.—Eliza, Baker, St. Vincent's. DEAL, JUI.Y 3L—Wind A.M. W.N.W., r.M.NAV., fresh and squally.—Arrd. Anwata, Brown, Batavia for Rotterdam ; Active, New York for Stettin ; Barbara Gordon, Ritchie, Tobago ; Lady Hilda, Bounce, Barbadoew ; Margaret Reut, Coffin, South leas ; Sarah, Behan, St. John's, New Bruns wick ; Asia, Greelores, and Imogen, Quebec ; Wakefield, Hall, St. John's, New Brunswick ; Lady Seaton and Sultana, Montreal ; Fear Not, Nassau ; - Emma Searle, Hogan, Prince Edward's Island ; Ottawa, Montreal, put back ; Duke of Roxburgh for the Cape and Madras. Std. Switzerland, New York. The Ottawa in the Downs, from Montreal, passed several small icebergs, 9th inst., lat, 46, lon. 47. The Dutch ship Elizabeth and Antionette, proceeded to London for repair. RYE, JULY 31.—The Marianne, of Hastings, delivering part of cargo (coal) at that port yesterday, came off, and drove ashore to the eastward of the harbour, and is expected to become a wreck. OFF EASTBOURNE, JULY 27.—Amata, Brown, Batavia for Rotterdam ; Colonist, Surinam, for Amsterdam. DARTMOUTH', JULY 31.—1 t blew a gale from W. to W.S.W. yesterday, with a heavy sea in the Channel. Several Rail took shelter in Torbay. lints Tot., JULY 30.—The wreck of a brig, of about 200 tons, with a billet-head, painted yellow, decks gone., foremast standing, and both anchors lashed in the bows, was passed 29th ult., lat. 48, lon. 31, by the James and Mary, arrived here. BELFAST, JULY 27.—And. Robert Kerr, Agnew, Ichaboe. 29.—Don, Carlton, and Cranhook, Quebec; Retreat , Ale en , Miremicth. Sid. Two Brothers, Quebec. BatnisrrArt.E, Juty 31.—Arrd. British Lady, Redmore, Prince Edward's Island. HULL, JULY 29.—Sid. Venerable, St. John's New Brant. wick. NEWFORT, JULY 29.—Sld. Stately, Grenada. POOLE, JULY 29.—SId. Anglicans, Quebec: ST. IvEs, JULY 29.—Arrd. Victoria, Quebec. TRALEE, JULY 29.—SId. Britannia, Quebec. FROME, JULY 27.—S1d. Springfield, Quebec. ' rd. Napo- L L l T. v rr E i n t r , 00 Ju l t , ,v j 2 t 9 L .- 1, , f D res al h h ._ ou A si ; icon, Moller, Callao; Pennsylvania, New Orleans, with much damage, having been ashore near Bruit(); Peningham, Green, Laguna; Maitland, Killatn, Eleuthera; Glendower, New Orleans; Sir E. Howell and Viola, Jamieson, Mobile; Sir Howard Douglas, Savannah ; Margaret Pollok, an Royalist, Lawson, St. John's, New Brunswick ; George, Finch, Miramichi ' • Atalanta and George Ramsey, Montreal ; Jane Augusta and Calcutta, Lingard, Quebec, the latter with several feet of water in her hold, having been struck by a sea about a week since; Cynthia,. Goldsmith, and Margaret Ann, Cole, Newfoundland. The Governor and Deputy-Go 4 vernor of the Bank of England had an interview with the Chancellor of the Exchequer yesterday, at his official residence in Down. ing-street. Sir Robert Peel is to dine with the Worshipful Company of Clothworkers on Thursday, the Bth instant, and all the rest of her Majesty's Ministers will meet the Right lion. Baronet at dinner in Clothworkers' Hall. The Toulon papers state that several ships of Admiral Per oeval's division will very shortly leave Toulon. They are, it is said, to rendezvous at Brest, and be ready to escort the King to the shores of England. A meeting of the Proprietors of the United Mexican Mines was held on Wednesday, and the attendance was numerous, many being induced to present. themselves in consequence of the expected appearance of Mr. Schoolbred, the able mana ger lately returned from Mexico, and a report from the Di rectors. Mr. Schoolbred was in attendance, and the informa tion he communicated on the concerns of the Company abroad proved, upon the whole, satisfactory. There is, at length, some prospect of a dividend, though the surplus cub on hand is not as vet quite adequate for the purpose. The debt due to the Company continues at. about 1,00,000 dol lars, including the claim on the mines and that owing by the Government of Mexico. HIS ROYAL HIGHNESS PRINCE ALBERT'S. APIARY. —Five tastefully-constructed bee-hives (in addition to tw, others which arrived at Windsor last week) of American manufacture, in the form ofcastles, were brought to Winds°. Castle, yesterday morning, b e y the patentee, by, order o Prince Albert, and placed in his Royal llighness'aApiery, the Royal Dairy, in the Home-park; the Prince having ex pressed his desire of devoting his attention to the rearing ant culture of this useful and profitable little insect. By an uni form temperature which is kept up in these hives, the bee are preserved throughout the winter, providing-at the same time effectually for the health of the colony; and allowing the surplus honey to be taken in the purest state.- ..: -a NORTHAMPTON GAOL. Lord LILFORI) asked a question respecting certain returns affecting this gaol. Lord WHARNCLIFFE said that the return was made to ascertain some irregularities alleged to hare taken place in the gaol. POST-OFFICE REGULATIONS—THE MAILS. Earl FORTESCUE presented a petition from Tiver ton (of which he had given notice), complaining of the conversion of stage-coaches into mail-coaches, whereby the turnpike dues were evaded. The Earl of LONSDALE said that the grievance complained of had been occasioned by the inhabitants of Tiverton requiring two deliveries daily instead of one. OTAIIEITE. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said that after what occurred in the other House last night on the sub ject of the late aggressions of the French Admiral in Otaheite, it was almost superfluous for him to ask, whe ther her Majesty's Government were able to inform the House that the statements which had recently appeared in the public prints were true ? Lord ABERDEEN said—lt is perfectly true that an outrage has been committed upon the person of a British subject—(Hear, hear)—but it is also perfectly true that it has taken place without the possible know ledge of the French Government, and under a state of things which has been disavowed by that Government. In September last the Queen was dethroned, and the French Admiral, Dupetit Thouars, took possession of the Island, and exercised sovereignty there. Immedi ately after that act was known in Europe, the French Government disavowed it.—(Hear, hear.) But since that time a state of things arose, which may account for many acts, which could not be accounted for under a more regular and lawful state of affairs.—(Hear, hear.) When the French Admiral took possession of the island, the gentleman, who held the office of Consul of Great Britain, hauled down his flag, arid gave to the French authorities an official announcement that he was no longer Consul there, the Queen having been dethroned —(Hear, hear)—so that in point of fact Mr. Vrichard was not regarded as having an official character. Ido not mean to say, my Lords, that any such arbitrary pro ceedings as have been taken against that gentleman could be justified.—(Hear, hear.) I have said before, that all this mutt have taken place without the slightest encouragement or even knowledge on the part of the French Government. I believe this will be a godsend to the enemies of peace between the countries, and it will be turned by them to a good account.—(Hear, hear.) But, my Lords, I have every reason to believe that by the exercise of a spirit of justice and moderation, this unfortunate affair will not lead to serious consequences. —(Hear, hear.) He had reason to believe that the French Government would take the same view of the matter that he did.—(llear, hear.) Lord MINTO said that nothing could be more satisfactory than the statement of the Noble Earl, and it could scarcely be supposed that these acts of aggression had taken place with the cognisance of the French Go vernment. But he.wished to ask what her Majesty's Government had done, with respect to the means of pro tection to British subjects in the South Seas ? Lord ABERDEEN said that jtaheite had not been without a ship of war sinco the first occupation of the island, until everything appeared to be settled, and the afFairs of the island to be going on quietly. Other ships had recently been sent out. Lord KINNAIRD considered the English Govern ment very much to blame for allowing the French to take possession of Otaheite. The island might ♦ery reasonably have been placed under the protectorate of Ent land and America. The Earl of ABERDEEN said that the protectorate of the island had been repeatedly offered to England, and refused. He believed that at this very moment Queen Potnare was restored to full power. RAILWAYS BILL. The Earl of DALHOUSIE moved the order for the Committee on the Railways Bill, which had passed the House of Commons, and was read a first and second time in this House. The Noble Lord went at great length into a review of the details of the Bill, and of the discussions which had taken place in the House of Com mons. The principal objection which he had heard against the Bill was, that it was novel and unjust to fix a maximum of profits to any commercial undertaking. But there was nothing new in that enactment. In the acts of incorporation of water companies and gas com panies a condition was introduced to limit the profit, by which the public were protected against monopoly—the publicwere in fact great gainers, and the speculators lost nothing. With respect to the travelling of the poorer classes, it was provided that, at least once in every day, and at reasonable times, a train should start, for the convey ance of the poorer classes, at a rate of not more than one penny a mile, with suitable scats, and adequate covering and protection from the weather.—(llear, hear.) The Bill did not extend to existing railways, but it was pro vided that whenever the existing companies came before Parliament for an alteration of their Acts, this clause should be inserted.—(Hear, hear.) The Bishop of LICHFIELD gave notice for the Bishop of London, who was unavoidably absent, that the Right Rev. Metropolitan would (on the third reading) move an amendment to prevent the travelling by third class carriages, on railroads, on Sundays, Good Friday, and Christmas-day. The House then went into Committee on the Bill, the clauses of which were read seriatim. The House resumed, the report was received, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. METROPOLITAN BUILDINGS BILL. The report of the Committee on - the Metropolitan Buildings Bill was received, after a short discussion, in which the Duke of Buccleugh and Lord Cottenham took part. LAW COURTS (IRELAND) BILL. On the order of the day for the third reading of this Bill, The LORD CHANCELLOR' said that he still held the objection which he had before avowed to the transferring of the appointment of the officers of the courts of common law, from the judges of the courts to the Lord Lieutenant. The appointment of these officers, prothonotaries,- and registrars and clerks, was in this country vested in the chief justices and the barons of the courts, and he did not see why it should not be so in Ireland. He did not know why Ire land should be put upon a different footing from Eng land.—(Very remarkable cheering.) " For my part," said the Noble and Learned Lord, " I cannot conceive anything more unwise—anything more mischievous — than a law which would place the people of Ireland in a more disadvantageous position, as regards the adminis tration of the law, than the people of England.—(Hear, hear.) I shall oppose this clause. I shall support the amendment of my Nt ble and Learned Friend thut it be omitted."—(Hear, hear.) Lord CAMPBELL entirely concurred with the Lord Chancellor, and was much gratified to hear his Noble Friend (Earl Fortescue), who had been Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, cheer that excellent speech.—(Hear, hear.) He (Lord Campbell) would move, according to notice, that the appointment should be in the Chief Justices of the courts of law. After a few words from Lord Wharncliffe (who ac ceded to the amendment), the Marquis of Normanby, and Lord Cottenham, The debate was adjourned till to-morrow, in order to afford time for obtaining the consent of the Crown to the surrender of patronage. POOR-LAWS. The Poor-law Amendment Act was read a second time and ordered to be committed on vionday. The Joint-stock Companies Regulation Bill was read a second time. Several Bills were advanced a stage, and the House adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, August I. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'clock. Ladbroke's Estate Bill and Parringliam's Estate Bill were read a third time and passed. The Lords' amendments to the North Wales Mineral Railway Bill were read and agreed to. The Werrington's, &c., Cum's. Bill was read a third time and passed. The Lords' amendments to the Great Southern and Western Railway (Ireland) Bill were read and agreed to. Bowyer's Estate Bill was read a third time and passed. The Tralee Harbour and Navigation Bill was read a third time and passed. SAVINGS' BANKS BILL. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the third reading of the Savings' Banks Bill ; upon which Mr. HUME said he had two clauses to propose, to which he hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would have no objection. The object of the clauses was to prevent the great increase which was at present taking place in the amount of deposits, and to confine those establish ments to the use for which they were originally intended. The clauses which he wished to propose were—a clause, that deposits shall not exceed 2 0 1. in any one year; also a clause, that when investment amounts to 150 L, interest to cease. He admitted that the Bill was a better Bill than the last. The only fault in it was that it did not go far enough. On the motion that the first clause be read a second time, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he thought it would be inexpedient to accede to the p-ropo sition of the Hon. Gentleman. If the amount of deposits to be received by the savings' banks was reduced to 201., he thought it would prejudice those very persons whom it was the object of the Hon. Gentleman to bene fit. With regard to the second clause, also, he thought it would be inexpedient to limit the entire of a person's deposits to 1501. The Hon. Gentleman was in error in supposing that savings' banks were originally intended to benefit the lowest order of persons. There were per sons in a more respectable station, as the children of pour clergymen, who, he thought, were legitimate ob jects to receive the benefits of savings' banks. Mr. AGLIONBY was sorry that the Right Hon. Gentleman had not acceded to the second proposition of the Hon. Member for Montrose. Mr. DIVETT concurred in the ♦iew taken by the Chancellor of the Exchequer with regard to this sub ject, and thought that the class of persons who saved 1501. were just the class of persons whom it was the object of the Savings Banks' Act to benefit. The gallery was then cleared for a division, but none took place, the clauses having been negatived without a division. The Bill was then read a third time. On the motion that the Bill do pass, Mr. HAWES said he wished to know from the Right Hon. Gentleman whether he would on a future occasion cause an inquiry to be made into the expenses of IRISH ARMS BILL. On the order of the day for the second reading of this Bill being read, Mr. M. O'FERRALL asked if the Government in tended to persist in throwing the expense of the regis tration of arms on the counties of Ireland ? Sir J. GRAHAM said the Act did not make any alte ration in the Bill of last year, in which it was merely intended to correct a clerical error. The Bill was then read a second time. BISHOP OF LONDON'S ESTATE BILL. On the order of the day for the third reading of the Bishop of London's Estate Bill being read, Mr. WAKLEY objected to passing the Bill through when it had been before the House but five days. The title of the Bill gave no idea of the nature of its cont ents, and the public knew nothing whatever about it. Who could suppose for a moment that this Bill was one for regulating the property of Paddington ? Even the per sons on this property knew nothing about the Bill ; at the Great Western Railway nothing was known of it. The Bill would remove the present reservoirs of the Grand Junction Waterworks Company, and give to it a perfect monopoly of the supply of water to the buildings on the Paddington property, to the ex elusion of all the other water companies. A clause was inserted for reserving ground on which to build a church and an hospital ; but while the Bill was imperative, and s s s e i e v e t h p e o w ß e il r l t a o p ply build th t e h s e a h m o e s p p i o t w al e . h e H d e a t h l o e p a e s d t the Hon. B aronet (Sir W. Clay) wou ld consent to post ponecompelled t h e b u i lding of the c h urc h, i t on ly gave a per mto r to both . the Bill, as it was most unfair to pass such an Act without further consideration. Sir W. CLAY said the Bill was, strictly, a private one, and had gone through all the forms and regula tions required for private Bills in the other House. Its simple purpose was to rectify a fault in the existing Act of Parliament, by which parties were prevented from giving a valid title to the property they disposed of in Paddington. It did not give any advantage to any water company with respect to the supply of water. Mr. GREENE, as Chairman of Committees, had care fully examined the Bill, and could see no objection to it. It was intended to regulate the property which was leased out in the last century by the then Bishop of London, at Paddington. Part of the ground was occu pied by the reservoirs of the water company, and it was now wished to apply the space to the original purpose of building. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said, though the Bill was called a private one, it applied to the property of the Church. He thought that they ought to have had this measure much sooner before the House. Ho trusted two or three days would be given to Hon. Members to make in quiries on the subject. Mr. BROTHERTON said that the Bishop of London had only a p . eppercorn interest in the question. Mr. WAKLEY said that the Bill itself admitted that its provisions would be greatly for the interest of the Bishop of London. He only asked for the postponement till Tuesday, and unless , that was consented to he would divide the House. After a few observations from Sir W. CLAY. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but no division took place, Mr. Wakley withdrawing his amendment. Mr. WAKLEY then moved, as an amendment to the Bth clause, the insertion of the same compulsory pro vision with respect to the building of an hospital on the es tate, as there was in the ninth clause, relative to building a church. This amendment was agreed to, and the Bill was read a third time and passed. MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. Messengers from the Lords' brought down the Ca tholic Penal Laws, Repeal Bill, and several other Bills. ROYAL COLLEGE OF SURGEONS. Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from the surgeons and assistant-surgeons of the different regi ments of Guards, complaining that they had been de prived of their rights by the new charter granted to the the . u College not and er praying that the house woconfirmuld opportunity of b ein g he ard by counsel against it. LORD CRANSTOUN'S EST A T E BILL. of S rtgheaotn charter Mr. BROTHERT / N brought up the report on Lord o Cranstoun's Estate Bill, which was read a second time. PENITENTIARY SYSTEM. Mr. MORE O'FERRALL wished to ask, seeing thak the Penitentiary system, as practised in the Pentonville Prison, had been so successful, whether it was the in tention of the Government during the recess to consider the propriety of erecting a similar institution in Dublin? Sir J. GRAHAM said that an arrangement had been made in Ireland, as well as in England, on this subject, to which he attached great importance. All persons sffuiciteltien Arran y d ri abolishing l sentenced to transportation were brought to a central prison before the sentence of transportation was carried into effect, o that an opp or t un i ty was afforded to the authorities of investigating the previous habits and cha 'racters of such persons, so as to enable them to decide to ge n:lents of th a t nature ha d b een completed i n D what settlement it would be most proper they should be n this country t h e arrangement h a d b een effected the penitentiary character of the prison at Millbank, and converting it into a prison for persons under sentence of transportation. His confidence in the success of the experiment now carrying on at Peutonville was so great that as far as he was individu ally concerned be should be glad to see it extended to Ireland ; but it would be premature in him to state a to e ting fa it ° De be: e ,` 114 y ep ° ing l e ietl an d . itt 'l . * 1 ab 1 0# 1 be 0 01 dir L ir r o .00