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EVENING EDITION. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUES OF LORDS, MAECH 22 The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack, at Five o'Clock. The Eat' of H ADDINGTON presented petitions from Monkland, and other places in Scotland, praying for Church Extension in Scotland. Lord BROUGHAM presented petitions from Wal sall, in Staffordshire, the inhabitants of Birming ham, the Licensed Victuallers of Birmingham, Bir- Eta!, Wallington, Greenwich, Kingston-upon-Hull, Staffird, Runcorn, and the Licensed Victuallers of Run.mrn, against the Beer Bill. Also petitions from Lancaster, Maybole, Kincardine, Stourbridge, and Wis beach, for a repeal of the Corn-laws. Also a petition fcom, Maryford, praying for a uniform Penny Postage, and a petition from Inverkeitbing against Church En dowments in Scotland. The Noble and Learned Lord then wed fur certain ordinances and returns to be laid on the Ile in reference to the Canadian prisoners. The Noble Learned Lord presented a petition from Wellington, tirig for a plan of national education. Tee Earl of SH A FTESBUR,Y presented a petition Grtme wood, against any plan of national education Melded upon the principles of the Established Church. TITHES (IRELAND) ARREAR BILL. Drd DUNC ANN ON moved the second reading of the es ( Ireland) Arrear Bill. The Noble Lord stated the object of this Bill was merely to carry into effect, r sootier than otherwise would be, the purpose for ii the Act was passed last year—namely, to rte the Lords of the Treasury to issue certain sums of trt of the million which remained in their hands c the whole of the arrears could be collected in Ireland. Alarquis of W E sTm E AT H wished to know whethe r 103,0001. which was misapplied and given to Public Iceland out of the residue of the million cpaicl and applied to the purposes of this Act? rstood that that would be so wEen the Act of the ViiiS passed, but since then he (the Noble ) un•lerstuod there was some doubt thrown on that re DUN C ANNON did not suppose there was to made with respect to the 100,000 E L 0 Wexpected to have heard from the Noble ::situ sshy it was considered necessary to pass this . ..:nt Act o: the Act of last Session, but he was disap. teat respect. It seemed to be a matter of course Amendment Acts of the Acts that had been passed in nee Ses,ions bythe present Ministry. The million was hands ui the Government, and he thought they had leility of applying it without any such act as the DUNCANNON said, that as the thing at pre :Jo part of the remaiiiing portion of the million )I.lted without this Act till the whole of the ;LOW said that that showed the gross '.! of last year. hen lead a second time, and ordered to be :11unday. CANADA. pli; of NORM ANB Y laid on the table returns ci,spatchci bdtween Sir Francis Head and •'i (..4uvernment, and certain other papers re- IRELAND. quis of N 0 RMANBY said, that in re to the Committee relating to Ireland, which ),!ea moved for last night, he had seen of the Noble Earl opposite of the Committee pro in which he observed his own (the Noble Marquis's) He now wished to give the Noble Earl an oppor -if • naming some other person in his stead. He did :k it would be his duty or desirable in any way that he take any part in the proceedings of that Committee. • stated that he desired to correct a mistake as to a of fact made by a Noble and Learned Lord near .ord Brougham) last night, the matter of tact was that upon which he should not have expressed a dissent .001 the Noble and Learned Lord unless he had felt per .ctty ce,aain of the grounds on which he proceeded. is Noble and Learned Lord stated that in 1837, when Nchie Marquis (Westmeath) was alluding to what 7,1 called his (the Marquis of Normanby's) tour in SA, the subject of these discharges had not been alluded t, or he had been saved the pain of making these obser- Lions, which he should have felt himseif called upon to ake. The Noble Marquis, as he (Lord Normanby) qderstuod him, had said that the returns of these ts2s were not then on the table of the House. That ':L3 the nature of the assistance which the Noble and ,earned Lord's new ally was prepared to give. Now it rather singular that it was the Noble Marquis who had the Noble and Learned Lord's attention to these which he had last night stated he had no recollection tat. ter of. The Noble Marquis then read extracts the sl:teeches of the Marquis of Westmeath and Lord Uueham -in that House on the 11th of July, 1837, il In: ( wliealie (the Marquis of Normanby) had been charged It it - a :in improper exercise of the Royal prerogative. h ap pared from these extracts that the Noble and Learned Lord had last night alluded to precisely the same cases on which he (the Marquis of Normanby) had been heard in his defence three years ago. He thought he had es talAished the fact of the Noble and Learned Lord's knowledge of these cases on a previous occasion. Tno mot:on was introduced by the Duke of Wellington acid wai spoken to by the Noble and Learned Lord, yel s:i(1 the question might be mentioned, but not promi- Eently, and he might have been asleep, and therefore— Lord BROUGHAM—If I was asleep then I could nor. have beard the debate. The Marquis of NORNIANBY—The question was brought forward by the Duke of Wellington. The Noble and Laarned Lord (Brougham) might not consider that as of any importance, but he (the 'Marquis of Normanby) considered that anything falling from the Noble Duke was of importance, and that when he br.,light forward any question in that House it was promi neetly brought under their Lordships' notice. The Noble Learnt.l L; - ;rd proceeded upon the assumption that it was a pa t of his system to liberate prisoners wherever he iveLt, for the sake of popularity. He need scarcely :coy such a charge. He bad stated last night that in one district, finding a certain train of circumstances, and after consultation with the assistant barrister, ho conceived 'as a proper field on which to try the experiment In another county be found similar circum. nia,, and acted in the same manner, in order to try the tie experiment. He had made that explanation with con. erable pain, because friendships of 20 years' standing were easily set aside; but he felt bound to say the Noble and Learned Lord had not acted in that matter with that sincerity usually- characterized him or to which he was entitled. o-d BROUGHAM felt very sincere and unfeigned at hearing the concluding sentence of the Noble 'Rig. He said, that in consequence of what had passed, he bad withdrawn his friendship from him (Lord 4, It was a matter of small moment to him cleruc Crilf! - Mrquis of N.), but to him (Lord Brougham) i was a cause for much sorrow. That sorrow, bow. was lessened, otherwise it might have been intolerahle--it was considerably lessened, because he (I.wd Brougham) had nothing to blame himself for. He had incurred the displeasure of his Noble Friend in the dicliarge of his public duty. He could appeal to some Noble and Learned Friends, who were not then present, but who soon might, that fifteen months ago he congratu lad,d himself upon his escape from taking the same course wilich his duty compelled him to do last night. The Noble Marquis was in error, as that was not the first time it had bee.i his duty to find fault with his conduct in Ireland. Did the Noble Marquis forget the opposition he (Lord B.) had felt compelled to give him upon the Sheriff question? Upon his shoulders did the main part of that battle rest. Upon that occasion the Noble Marquis changed the Noble Friend into Noble Lord. In consequence of that speech in June, 1837, there was a cessation of all friendly inter course for several weeks, but it was again—much to his pleasure and delight—it was again renewed. He alluded to that merely to say that he hoped such would be the re sult upon the present occasion ; and that after the preju diced feelings of the Noble Marquis wore away, they would ag . ain be on the same terms as before. He hoped nothing more painful or more lasting would result from the present difference than had been the case before. He had forgotten the debate, he had forgotten himself, and all ea, tidy considerations,in its dullness.—( Great laughter.) Ile bad fallen asleep.--( Hear, hear, and a laugh,)—and ‘e begged to apologize to his Noble Friends for having The speeches of his Noble Friends on his (Lord am's) side of the House had assisted in producing 'ct—( Opposition cheers)--and he must add that the speeeaes of the Noble Lords opposite had frequently helped him into the, same state. He bad not risen like other Noble Lords at two or three o'clock in the day, but at six o'clock in the morning, and had been - engaged engaged in judicial business all done so. Brougha that tif?i the day, as his Noble and Learned Friend on the Wool sack—and who, he presumed, had slept all through the debate—( A laugh)—or at least he ought to have done so, for, with the exception of the debate on the Corn-laws, he ( Lord 13.) had never spent a duller evening—( Laughter)— he was engaged from ten o'clock in judicial business, till nice or ten at night reading over some of their Lordship's heavy pirpers; and he could not have slept more than five n minutes, when he was roused by the Noble Mar - to bim. As to what passed in July, 1837, taii.inent of the Noble Marquis was perfectly correct. ia July, 1837. that he bad defended the Noble ri , ; and the mater was called to his attention by thing that had been said in the course of that debate, tison to what was called (although he was then igno- Ld !lie meaning of the word) the Noble Marquis's delivery tour. On that occasion, having heard :cro:,;nt of the discharge of one of . those prisoners t sitisfactorily explained, because it appeared that Learned Judge before whom he bad been tried tj given his sanction to the discharge of prison,r, he had given that general opinion the Noble Marquis's conduct, and he had then some s;ronr' expressions —as well as he could recollect, he hid stated that the conduct of the Noble `l,ii-quis in extending lenity to that prisoner, although it be:n strongly oljected to by the other side was the re -1/44 his own humane feelings, and was triumphantly yin !d by the Noble Marquis's defence of that night. ) days afterwards a Noble Friend of his asked him whe was aware of all the facts when he had given that 3 whitewasher of approval to the whole of the Irish ther he .o Lieutenant's gaol delivery tour. The expre , sion was quite n e w to him, and the reason was obvious, because he some time previously absent in the country; that mend of his had referred him to the Noble Marquis . po , it e who was perfectly acquainted with the circumstan ces of the case, and he had gone to him the next day when he aset.rtsined that he had been previously entirely igno. rant of the real circumstances of the case. Nothing, there fore, could be more entirely consistent than his (Lord B.'s) statement in July, and his having afterwards expressed sa tis':action that the question had not been forced on him in Novemb er following. As it apeared to him now, it had not been put f orwar d in a very prominent manner. These Were the rea l f acts of the case, and his statement must of necessityere r be fou n d e d upon inaccurate recollection, fbr upon no othe ground was it intelligible. It appeared to him, therefore_ that the Noble Marquis was labouring under a 1 erY e xtraordinary delusion in the charge which he had brought against him. What was the precise charge ? That he lild defended him a year and a half ago, and that he had boen for Si arc{ in nll Lavin not done so now. Now, if the Noble Marquis had extended. to him any favour or kindness, such conduct might have been characterized as ungrateful, although it would not be a good.ground for his (Lord Brougham's). neglecting his public duty. It was the slightest charge that could well be i brought against him ; that he (Lord Brougham) attacked i the Noble Marquis last night, and did not attack him last year, was as ridiculous a charge as ever he heard. He did not think it necessary to go into the merits of the debate on this occasion, having entered so largely into it last night. The Noble Marquis was quite mistaken if he thought that his argument was that no one was to be par doned unless all were. What he said was, that if a Monarch were to travel round the country now, and let loose the prisoners in the different gaols, as in the times of the Plantagenets, or as when there used to be an accession to the Throne, that would be productive of one of the most execrable abuses that could be thought of. When King George the Fourth went to Edinburgh and to Dublin there was not a Viceroy there certainly, but there was a King; and he (the Noble Lord) believed that he was the first King who. visited Ireland since the time of King John, unless indeed King William visited it as a General ; and he believed King George the Fourth was the first Sove. reign who had visited Edinburgh since the time of Charles the First, or at all events since the Union ; but did ever mortal dream that because King George IV. visited Dub. lin, he etas to let loose the prisoners of Dublin, and not those in Cork ? or that because he visited Edin burgh, be was to let loose the prisoners in Edinburgh and not' those in Aberdeen, because he had only visited Edinburgh ? But though that was not thought of in the instance of Kin g .. George I V., the Viceroy of her Majesty, because he visited Limerick, was to let out the prisoners of the Castle gaol, and they were to be the only persotis who were to be liberated. The Noble Marquis stated that it was painful to him to make the observations he had made, but he would assure the Noble Marquis that it was more painful to him ( Lord Brougham) to have to. -say what he had been obliged to say. The Marquis of WE STME ATH said as he bad been personally referred to, he hoped that he might be a'.lowed to make an observation ; without the slightest consult with the Noble and Learned Lord opposite, he had just entertained the same opinions that had been expressed so eloquently and so conclusively by the Noble Lord. He thought it was perfectly natural thatthe No'ole and Learned Lord, should have done him the honour, fir.ding that so much importance was very properly attached, to what he (the Noble and Learned Lord) had said in reference to his (the Noble Marquis's) motion in 1837, of personally conferring with him upon the subject, when he had the pleasure o f' calling the Noble and Learned Lord's attention to certain facts. He did not mean to revive this debate, but considering that the world was now ringing with the bad effects of these enlargements, could any I thing else be supposed than that the Noble and Learned Lord should bring his powerful mind to bear on the state of Ireland, which was almost in a con:lition of anarchy, and that he should take the part in respect to it that lie now dit though in the first instance he hardly 'seemed to think that was necessary ? Lord RODEN said that he had felt it to be his duty to put the Noble Marquis's name opposite on the list of the Committee, and he dia still hope that the Noble Marquis would allow it to remain. The Marquis of NORMANDY said—No; be cotild not. - Lord RODEN then moved that the Duke of Rich mond's name be'added to the Committee. A message from the House of Commons brought up the Duke of `Vellingtor►'a Estate Bill. Upon the motion of Lord WHARNCLIFFE, an ad dress to her Majesty was agreed to, that her Majesty would be graciously pleased to order certain Irish returns, principally relating to constabulary officers, to be laid on the table. The Marquis of WESTMEATH wished'to know from the Noble Marquis opposite, whether the aggregate re turns offered as rewards for the apprehension of criminals n Ireland, laid on the table, included all the rewards that 3ad been offered from Dublin. The Marquis of NORMANBY apprehended that any aggregate return would include all returns, but if the re turn only included the rewards offered in the Dublin Ga zette, it was to be understood there had been other rewards offered besides tbesc. BEER BILL. Lord ELLENBOROUGH wished to know, from the Noble and Learned Lord opposite, whether it would be agreeable to him to postpone the second reading of the Beer Bill from Monday next, to an early day after the recess, because the Noble Duke (the Duke ,of Welling ton) had gone out of town, and probably other Noble Lords, who might wish to take an interest in that Bill, either had gone, or were going out of town also, and the delay would not be, to any great extent. Lord BROUGHAM had not the slightest objection. The absence of the Noble Duke was a very sufficient rea son for his postponing it, and whose able assistance he certainly calculated upon, having either to repeal, or very much to modify this Bill. The order for the second reading of the Bill on Monday was accordingly discharged. Upon the motion of the Earl of SHA FTESBURY the Preston Gas Bill was read a second time. Lord MO UNTCA SHEL presented a petition from places in the county of Cork, against a repeal of the Corn laws. The Noble Lord considered that a repeal of the Corn-laws would not only bring great misery upon the la bourers of this country, but also upon the inhabitants of London, as well as on landed proprietors. The House adjourned at Twenty minutes before Seven o' Clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MARcH 22. The SPEAKER took the Chair a few minutes before Four o'Clock. NORWICH TONNAGE BILL. Mr. WODEHOUSE presented a petition from Nor wich in favour of the Norwich Tonnage Bill. _____ _ _ The Marquis of DOURO, in moving the second reading of the Bill, said that the purposes for which the tolls had been originally granted were now extinct, and that no less than 1,2001. was levied on articles principally consumed by the poor. Mr. SMITH opposed the second reading. There were still some expenses attending the river which were paid out of these tolls, and money must be levied for this purpose. The tolls had been acquiesced in by all parties for a century. After a few words from the Marquis of DOURO, The Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. On the motion of Mr. C. BERKELEY the Chelten ham Waterworks Bill was read a second time. CARLOW ELECTION. The SPEAKER acquainted the House that be had received a communication from Mr. Bruen, the Member for Carlow, intimating that he did not intend to defend his return. Sir M. WOOD presented petitions from Aldgate and another ward of the city of London, against that most obnoxious measure the Metropolitan Police Bill.—(Oppo sition cheers.) . _ _ Mr. WALLACE presented a petition from :Kilsyth against any further endowment to the Church of Scotland ; also a petition from a place in Sussex, in favour of Mr. Rowland Hill's plan for a reduction of postage. Mr. COLQUHOUN presented twenty-five petitions complaining of spiritual destitution in Scotland. Lord JAMES STUART presented a petition from the spirit dealers of Ayr, praying for an alteration in the licensing system ; and from Rothsay against any further endowment to the Church of Scotland. Mr. BUCK presented three petitions from Somer setshire against any alteration in the Corn-laws. Sir G. CLERK presented petitions from Caithness complaining of spiritual destitution • and from the inhabi tants of London against the Police The Marquis of DOURO presented petitions from Norwich against the Ecclesiastical Duties and Revenues Bill, and against the Registration of Births and Marriages Bill. Mr. BARNARD presented a petition from Greenwich against the Beer Act. Mr. AGLIONBY presented a petition from Maryport, in favour of a uniform penny postage. Sir J. Y. BULLER presented a petition from the neighbourhood of Plymouth against the repeal of the Corn-laws. Mr. O'CONNE LI; presented petitions from places in the counties of Monaghan and Longford, praying for an equalization of privileges between Ireland and England. Mr. VILLIERS presented a petition from a parish in the county of Stafford, praying for the total repeal of the Corn-laws. Also a petition from certain agricultural la bourers in the county of Devon, on the same subject, stating that their wages had not risen, although corn had been at a very high price. THE DUKE OF WELLINGTON'S ESTATE BILL. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that although this was a dropped Order of yesterday he trusted the House would allow the Bill to go through its few stages, as it was very desirable that it should pass be fore Easter.—(Hear, hear.) The report was then brought up, and the Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. GIL LON presented petitions from the inhabitants of Stirling, Lanark, and Kilmarnock, against any additi tional grant to the Church of Scotland. Mr.• CHALMERS presented a similar petition from Montrose. Mr. ELLIS presented a petition from Newry in favour of the Government plan of Railroads in Ireland. Mr. GROTE presented petitions from Harlow and Epping, in favour of Mr. Rowland Hill's plan of pdstage. Mr. Alderman COPELAND presented a petition from the ward of Farringdon Within, against the Metropolitan Police Bill. Sir JAMES GRAHAM moved for a return of the manner in which the money voted in 1835 for Model Schools had been expended. Captain PEC HELL wished to put a question to the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer respecting the bounty awarded to the capturers of slave ships. It might be known to that Right Hon. Gentleman that there was a difference between Spanish admeasurement and that of Britain. The question he had to put was, whether any steps bad been taken to make payment to those officers and seamen who had made claim upon the Treasury, and which had been withheld by that Board, and whether it was the intention of the Right Hon. Gentleman to introduce any Act declaratory of that of last Session. -- iie --- CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER denied that there had been any factious or unnecessary delay created by the Treasury. That Board was bound by the terms of the Act of Parliament, and as soon as the parties who had ma d e app li cat i on to t h e T reasury h a d complied with the requirements of that Act, they would be paid. The Hon. and Gallant Captain ought to know that only one application had been made, and if he doubted that assertion he was at perf ect lib erty to move f or such returns as wou ld bring the whole question before the House. Sir CHARLES GREY gave notice that on Tuesday he would move that Mitchell's Map of the, disputed territory between Maine an d N ew B runsw i c k , or so much of it as showed the disputed territory, be laid on the table of the House. Captain PECHELL gave notice that he should, on Monday, move for papers connected with the bounties paid to the crews of her Majesty's ships for the capture of slaves. JOINT STOCK BANK. iLord SANDON begged to ask the Right Hon. Gen tleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether fie in tended to renew the Bill passed last year, which enabled Joint Stock Banks to sue their partners ; and whether it was the intention of the Government to bring in any mea sures on the subject of Joint Stock Banks generally. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE - QUER - . stated that soon after Easter he should introduce a measure on the subject of Joint Stock Banks, and he would take that opportunity of stating that it was his intention to move for leave to bring in a Bill to suspend laws of usury. The temporary measure that had been passed on the subject would expire in the present Session, and he bad reason to b. lieve that a permanent measure on the subject would be d esirable.—( Hear, hear.) RAILWAYS (IRELAND). Mr. SHAW begged to ask the Noble Lord, the Secre t•ary for Ireland, whether her Majesty's Government in t.ended to take any steps for the purpose of promoting private enterprize in railways in Ireland; and when the resolutions which bad been submitted to the House by the Noble Lord would be again brought forward? Lord MORPETH stated, in answer to the Right Hon. Gentleman, that the further proceedings upon the resolu tions already adopted, would be taken on the 22d April._ PROBABLE itESIGNATION OF MINIS'fERS. Lord JOHN RUSSELL—Sir, I rise for the purpose of postponing some of the orders of the day. The first of those orders is the Municipal Corporations (Ireland) Bill ; and with respect to that measure I. propose to the House that they should gointo Committee upon it, on Monday the 15th of April. Sir, in moving this postponement, I take the opportunity of stating to the House, that it is my intention in the very first week after the recess—on one of the first days after the holidays, to ask the opinion of the House with re spect to the Government of Ireland of late years. --(Great cheering.) Sir, it appears by the minutes of the proceedings of the House of Lords, that that House at an early hour this morning, appointed a Select Com mittee to inquire into the state of Ireland since 1835, in respect of the crimes and outrages which had rendered life and property insecure in that country. Sir, without wishing to enter into the circumstances as to the propriety of appointing that Committee, I think it is obvious that the appointment of such a Committee, fixing the year 1835 as the time of crime and outrage, must give a general belief throughout the emyire, and more especially in that part of the United Kingdom which it affects, that it is intended to transfer the Executive Government of Ireland to a Se -I•.!ct Committee of one House of Parliament, and more especially intended to call in question the exercise of one of the highest prero4atives of the Crown, that of mercy, by calling witnesses before the Select Com / mittee. Ido not say that there may not be circumstances which may justify such a cou r s e —l d o not say at this nio- I ment whether there are or are not—l will not enter into the question now whether the House of Lords has or has not done • right.—( Hear, hear.) It doubtless heard arguments before it adopted the course which it has done; but this I must say, that no person can proceed to carry on the Government as Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, without being assured whether it is the intention of the House of Commons that those principles which have governed the administration of Ireland since 1835 should be adhered to, or whether they should be now abandoned.—(Great cheering.) In conformity with the declaration which Lord Melbourne has made at various times—but in conformity, more particularly, with one special declaration of that Noble Lord, that be held office only al ,long as he retained the confi dence of the House of Commons—( Hear, and cheers) — I think it incumbent upon me, nut leaving it to any other Hon. Member not connected with the Government, to bring this question to an issue—( Great cheering)—whether this House adheres to the principle upon which the admi nistration of the Government of Ireland has been conducted. I am perfectly aware that with respect to Legislativemea. sures, various causes have interfered to prevent their being carried. The measures we ourselves have thought it ad- visable to pass, I candidly admit we have not been able to carry through Parliament ; but this we have been able to do with the confidence of one House—(Hear, hear, hear)—and the forbearance of the other, we have bean enabled to carry on the Administration of Ireland in a manner that has conduced to the peace and prosperity of that part the Empire.—(Cheers.) On these grounds we think it necessary to ask of the House of Commons whe ther it is disposed to approve of my Noble Friend, Lord Fortescue, continuing to adopt the measures which have hitherto been adopted. Ile will continue to execute the laws in the manner in which the Executive has hitherto been carried on, if the House is pleased to agree to those measures ; but if, on the other hand, the House does not approve of this plan but is willing that it should be abandoned, and other principles be adopted, then there is nothing left but to relinquish into other hands the Government of the country.—( Vociferous Cheering). ELECTION PETITIONS BILL. _ _ _ to the advantages held out by the warrant, and the estimate for the present year was increased to 6,396/. It appeared to him that the' working of the warrant had been extremely satisfactory. Notwith standing the strong reason which existed to induce soldiers enlisted under the warrant previous to 1833, not to refer their claims to the advantages held out by this warrant, he was happy to say the number of soldiers who had done so, had gone on progressively increasing. The first year after the warrant was established the number was 1,944, last the year the number was 2,490„,and in the present year the number had been increased by 284. The number of soldiers who had made good their claim to the advantages held out by the warrant was in the highest degree satisfactory, and he trusted it would be found to be the most powerful means of assisting commanding officers in maintaining discipline in the army without having recourse to punishment. There was also an in crease in the estimates for beer money of 8,6501. ; there was also an increase with respect to the cavalry provisions, arising from the increased amount of force necessary to be sent abroad ; there was also an increased charge of 5,0001. on account of the activity carried on in the recruit ing service. The additional recruits amounted to 2,500 men, which would make an addition under this head of 15,0001., but this would be met by a smaller grant for horses, making a saving of 13,1001., so that the addi tional increase under this division would amount to only 1,9001. The House would find two new charges introduced for the first time into- the army estimates this year. The first item was for the sum of 4,5001. for warm clothing for the recruits in Canada.— ( Hear, hear.) It had been brought to his notice some time ago, that one of the principal causes of the desertion which took place in Canada was, that at the beginning of the winter season the soldier was compelled to provide him self with articles of warm clothing, such as fur caps, gloves, and moccasins—the Consequence of which was that he got into debt, was subjected to continual stoppages, and became disgusted with the service. He directed his attention to the subject, and he proposed as a regulation, that all soldiers in Canada, at the commencement of the first winter should receive a sum of 11. 10s. to provide himself with warm clothing,, and that every subsequent year he should receive 11. for the same purpose ; this regulation had received the sanction of the Board of General Officers, and he believed that it would prove satisfactory. As it had been impos• sible to include this in the Estimates of last year, and as the regulation, of course, had come into operation at the commencement of the present winter, it had been found requisite to have recourse to the Army Extraordinaries. It was natural to expect that the expense would be greater the first year, than in any subsequent one ; they had recourse to the Army Extraordinaries for the sum of 18,0001., and the 4,500/. which appeared in the Estimates this year, was only required to keep up the stock. The other new item was an item of 2 0001, which he proposed as a grant for the purpose of forming Libraries at the principal Barrack Stations in this country and the colonies. ( Hear, hear, hear ) This was a part of the general policy which had been urged on the Government and the House, the object of which was the adoption of measures which should tend to diminish crime, and do away with the necessity for corporal punishment. He be lieved that one of the principal causes of crime in the sol diers, more particularly in hot climates, was the difficulty they found in filling up their leisure hours, which drove them to intemperance. He had found that in the East India Company's service the establishment of libraries had been attended with the best effects. This plan had obtained the consent and approbation of the Commander in-Chief and the Master-General of the Ordnance. He proposed that a room should be set a?art in each of the principal barracks, and fitted up as a library, be well warmed and lit, that the soldiers should have access to the books on the. payment of a nominal sum, which he the uglat would make the soldier value the principle more highly-- the libraries at each branch station would be different, so as to afford variety, and he had made arrangements with publishers for the supply of these books at a reasonable rate. In furtherance of the great object of diminishing, as far as possible, the necessity of having recourse to corporal punishments, there was a vote in the Estimates of 10,000/. to carry into effect the plan recommended by an Inspector of Prisons—the building of separate cells attached to some of the principal barracks ; and he ( Lord Howick) hoped that before long there would not be a barrack in Great Britain or the Colonies without such cells. The total in crease in the Land Forces' vote was 168,4101. ; the increase in the Staff was 2,7931., arising partly from the increase in the Medical Staff. Deducting the decrease in the non effective from the increase in the effective departments, the increase was 140,852/. ; the actual increase, however, was 130,8521. The Noble Lord conclued by moving a vote of 3,421,383/. for the Land Forces. Sir H. H A RDINGE said nothing had fallen from the Noble Lord to deter him from expressing his conviction that the present estimates were quite inadequate. There was, in fact, no increase in the estimates. The regiments were only recruited up to their full establish ments. He (Sir H. Hardinge) had formerly, when in office, laid down the principle, that when the exigencies of the public service allowed of a deduction in the military force, that deduction should be made by suspending the recruit ing. In 1830 that suspension took place ; in 1831, 1832, and 1833 , . the estimate was raised to the proper establish ment. In 1834, the recruiting was suspended. In 1837 the Canadian insurrection broke out, and the military force was then 8,000 men below the regular peace establish ment ; and in 1838 the Noble Lord only proposed an ad dition of about 2,000 men, making the number below the establishment between 6,000 and 7,000 men. Now, the Noble Lord merely raised each regiment up to its re gular establishment, which was, in his (Sir H. liardinge's) judgment, totally inadequate. There were 103 battalions of the line, of 740 men each, making 76,000. The Foot Guards were 4,600 ; the cavalry, 9.000 ; colonial (we be lieve), 7,000 ; total, 96,000. In India there were twenty battalions, making 14,800 ; New South Wales, four battalions, 2,960. In Canada and in North America, 18 battalions, 10,600 ; other countries, 20,400 : in all, 48,960 rank and file. On their passage, there was generally, taking the average, 1,500 men. The number abroad was 50,000; at home, 26,000 troops of the line— two men abroad for one at home. But deducting casual ties, there could not be reckoned more than 17,000 effec tive men at home. A regiment would be twenty years abroad, come home for two or three years, and then go on foreign service again for ten years ; thus, out of thirty-three years service, thirty would be passed under a tropical sun.—( Hear, hear.) Including cavalry and the Foot Guards, there were not above 36,000 men at home; when in Earl Grey's time there were 45,000; showing a decrease of about 10,000 men.—( Hear, bear.) When be (Sir H. Hardinge) recollected the illegal and dangerous meetings which were taking place in the country, and the number of ill-disposed persons who were exciting the people to rebellion, he could not but think the present military forces quite inadequate.--( Hear, hear, hear.) The state of India imperatively called on Parliament to make some addition to our force. He would not say whe there the force in India was sufficient or not, but it was a great deal less than it had been on ally previous occasion, and the affairs of India were now in a more critical state than they were on the occasion of the Burmese war.— ( Hear, hear.) He thought, looking to the feeling of dis satisfaction throughout the Bengal Presidencies, seeing the discontent within the districts of India, and the hostilities openly declared on almost every part of our frontier, that it did behove the House to look to the state of preparation in which India was. In 1837 there were 110,000 men less in India than there were in 1826, and he considered that he should not have done his duty, seeing the diffi culties that were likely to arise, if he had not brought that reduction prominently before the attention of the House. He would now beg the attention of the Noble Lord to the state of Canada.—(Hear.) The Noble Lord had said that he was unable to give the Estimates fur the ensuing year of the expense of the force in Canada; but perhaps the Noble Lord was aware that the expense incurred last year was somewhat about half a million.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) He was aware of the difficulty of giving Estimates for foreign expenses not incurred, but still some slight idea could be formed from expenses in curred in previous years, while Lord Durham in his dispatch stated that the expense of keeping up the irregu lar force in Canada was one-third greater than the expense of the regular regiments. In referring to the state of Canada, he must say that he entirely agreed in that part of her Majesty's speech in which her Majesty expressed her firm reliance that both Houses of Parliament would do all in their power to maintain her authority. Not only ought they to maintain the authority of the Crown, but they ought to show their British fellow-subjects in that country that they had a high opinion of their loyalty and gallantry, that they approved of the manner in which they had shown their attachment to the mother-country, and that they would do all in their power to relieve them from their sufferings. The sooner her Majesty's Govern ment placed the North American Provinces in a state of safety and security the more honourable would it be to the character of the Crown, and the more conducive to the interests of the country. But the number of men in the two Canadas was not more than it ought to be ; and when he looked to the state of New Brunswick he felt they were not in such a state of preparation as was ne cessary. What was the state of New Brunswick at the time Sir John Harvey wrote the letter informing the Go vernor of Maine, that he ( Sir J. Harvey) had commands to repel aggression by force, unless the Governor removed his troops? From what be (Sir H. Hardinge) knew of SirJ. Harvey, both as an officer and a private individual, he was confident that he would never have made that statement unless be had received instructions from her Majesty's Government to that effect. Now let them look to %%hat was the state of the two contending powers on that frontier. The State of Maine was abeet as large as the half of Ireland, and he believed from the reports that had been received that the legislature of Maine had voted 800,000 dollars, about 170,0001. sterling, in order to equip 10,000 militia, to go and defend the disputed territory. One would have imagined that before Sir John Harvey wrote that letter, according to his instructions, be would have had a force that would have enabled him to carry out those commands. Every one would have imagined that before her Majesty's Government thought of issuing such tenor odersrto twelve Si battalionsrJohnHarveyt. But thathewhwar wldoubladvetheeigHhotuoser suppose was the force that he had at his command? Sir John Harvey had one weak battalion in Nova Scotia. —( Hear, hear.) He had not 350 bayonets at his com mand in February, when that letter was written. There appealed to have been on the part of the Government a r l v (a e lin r yte a g or:Efi e h a c t eea d rr e . ri)nileeslutficohhneaohfapdiptiouabrbdllieee d r si:unittdy was l a es g e trh a a v ed i i ng the Gal dnuotysotafte_ Go vernment to give him the power of inforcing them.—.. ( Hear, hear.) Bat it was said we were to have an acces sion of force in North America. Where did they suppose the two battalions were to come from ? They were to come in the depth of winter from the West Indies. One had come from Barbadoes, and the men were in such a statet c h c a e t pt i a t b w i a e s . impossible for them to perform th eir duti es. — (Hear, h ear.) The other battalion wa s to come from Jamai ca. But wh a t was t h e state o f the West India Islands them selves Instead of Jamaica s endin g awa y a bat talion, an a ddi t i ona l one would have been very acceptable. The battalion from Jamaica had been ready to embark for a considerable time, and why was it ' t° P't cd ? The reason was, that the whole of her Majesty's squadron belonging , to the North American station, with the exception of one Sir ROBERT PEEL was understood to ask the Noble Lord when the Election Petitions Bill could be read a second time. Mr. S. O'BRIEN suggested it should not be read a second time till after the Easter holidays. Mr. O'CONNELL said the principles contained in this Bill were so objectionable that be would divide against the second readinc , if he divided alone. Sir R. PEEL proposed to take the second reading be fore Easter, and on the motion that the Speaker do leave the chair, Hon. Members would have an opportunity of expressing their opinions. ECCLESIASTICAL APPOINTMENTS- SUS PENSION BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL moved the second reading of this Bill. After a few words from Mr. AG LIONBY, The Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday next. TRADE WITH THE CIRCASSIANS. Mr. MACLEAN wished to ask the Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, whether this country had the liberty of trading with the Circassians, or whether by the 6th article of the Treaty of Adrianople, the Circas sians had been ceded to Russia; and whether under the dominion of Russia British merchants were entitled to traffic with them as an independent nation. Lord PALMERSTON understood the question really to be, did the treaty with the Porte apply to Circassia ? It did not. It applied to all territories and persons under the dominion of the Porte. He did not apprehend that the Porte claimed the Circassians as any part of its subjects. Mr. MACLEAN then gave notice, that as our com mercial relations with that coast were so uncertain, he would on an early day after Easter bring the subject before the House. The House then resolved itself into a Committe of Sup ply, and Lord HOWICK rose for the purpose of bringing for ward the Army Estimates, but in consequence of the noise occasioned by Members leaving the House, and the low tone in which the Noble Lord spoke, we were not enabled to hear what he said for some minutes. We understood him to say that the House would be called upon to provide for a considerable increase in the force. In consequence of the renewed disturbances that took place in Canada, it was found necessary that all the regiments of infantry which had been reduced, and all those regiments serving in North America should be raised to complete establishments. instead o t army;wt would accordingly, of moving the Co mm i ttee o f last year, he ha d state d t h at it regimentse r d inecessarynn w effectivemake further alteration in the d , e d i u t c t i w n g a s the all amountallowed to of stand as it was. In 1837 and 1838 a deduction was made of 181,000 of non-effective men. In the esti mate of last year this charge had been reduced to 100,000, but in conquence of the renewed disturbances in Canada, it was deemed expedient that all regiments' of Infantry should be raised to complete establishment, that had caused an augmentation of the force of 5,648. He had also to inform the House that, comparing the present force with its amount two years ago there was a further addition. In consequence of the practice of recruiting regiments abroad, the army had been kept below its original number, and it was found desirous that a larger force should be obtained for the purpose of meeting that difficulty; it was thought desirable that recruiting should go on, not only in consequence of the vacancies that had occurred, but in consequence of the vacancies that might take place. Accordingly, the Commander in Chief was directed to recruit for 1,500 men in anticipation ; the result was, that the increase last year in cavalry and in recruits was 5,648. The total increase in the army was 9,411. The Right Hon. Gentleman had asked him a few nights ago, whether the estimates now proposed would cover the whole increase in the army, it was the intention of the Government to make. In answer, he had to inform him that the estimates did provide' for the force which, at the time they were prepared, the Go vernment conceived necessary. Since the estimates had been prepared, however, it had been found expedient to make further augmentation of the force in India, but that would not be an ;ncrease of the charge on this country, and therefore it did not require to be provided for by a supplemental estimate. It would also be necessary for him hereafter to propose a supplemental estimate to provide for the expenses incurred in keeping up a very considerable irregular force in Canada, that it had been found necessary to raise in those colonies, but the materials forming an estimate of the costs, not having been yet received in this country, it was not in his ( Lord Howick's) power at that moment to state what the probable amount of the Army Estimates would be beyond those he had hitherto stated. He was not aware that a further increase in the army would be required. He need not, however, tell the Right Honourable Gentlemen, that in making this statement, he spoke only of the present time and the present circumstances. It was impossible fur any Gentleman or any Secretary at War, to state that it would not be necessary in the course of a short time, to make further alterations. All he could say was, that he was not aware of any necessity for it at the present moment. There was an increase of 5,600 men, as compared with last year, and as compared with the year before of abote. 9,400. Upon the remaining heads of estimates he had very few observations to offer, but there were a feud which he would shortly mention. The first was good conduct pay, which last year amounted to 4,7451. Since that period a considerably greater number of men had established their claims THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY, MA.RCEI 23, 1539 or two small vessels, had gone to Vera Cruz —(Hear, I hear.) It appeared to him necessary that the force should • be increased. If the pressure was only temporary, he would allow it to remain rather than make any unneces sary ; augmentation, but it the pressure was likely to be permanent, it was the duty of the Government to remedy the evil. There was no instance of an army which did so much hard se: vice as the t nglish artily, and when Gen tlemen considered that the army and navy had conquered and maintained for this country about one-tenth of the whole globe, and 150,000,000 of subjects, they were bound to place it on an efficient footing.—( (Tear, bear.) Lord H 0 WICK said the Right Hon. Baronet had made some statements which deserved the consideration of the House. He had adverted to the pressure on the infantry of the line. The question was, what was the actual amount of that pressure ? It was not greater than in former years. In 1820 there were at home 26,650 men, and in India and the colonies 41,770 ' the proportion being 61 per cent. abroad, and 39 at home. In 1823 the proportion was 63 per cent. abroad, and 37 at home, the number of 1 men in India, and the colonies being 37,700, and at home 23,000. In 1830 there were 41,440 men in the Indies and the colonies, and 28,140 in this country, being 60 per cent. abroad and 40 at home. In the present year the number abroad would be 47,000, and at home 29,137, so that the proportion this year was precisely the same to a fraction as in 1830. This showed that there was no such great pressure of service on the infantry of the line as the Gallant Officer wished the House to ima gine—in fact, the pressure was not greater than when the Gallant Officer himself was Secretary at War.—( Hear.) With respect to Canada, the Gallant Officer said that the ' free there was exceedingly insufficient, and that Government was liable to great blame. The whole amount of the regular force which, at the close of the last yew was either in North America or ordered there exceeded 13,000 rank and file, which was a considerable regular army to have in addition to the irregular force. 'I his force was thought to be so amply sufficient pre vious to the breaking out of the rebellion that it was in contemplation to disband the irregular force. When the insurrection broke out, it was true that a consi • derable irregular force was called out ; but how could it be otherwise? How could such a frontier, exceeding 1,500 miles in extent, be kept in safety by a regular force. There was a militia force of 38,000 to protect it, and how could such a force be made up by the regular army. It was stated by the Hon. and Gallant Officer, upon the autho rity of Lord Durham's Report, that the militia force was more expensive than regular troops ; but it was to be remembered that a large expense must be incurred before they could embody so large a number of regular troops ; a great expence must be in curred in carrying them across the Atlantic, nor could they be got rid of. when the necessity for their services ceased. Sir John Colborne, by the improved situation of the frontier, had been enabled to put two battalions upon what was called the second iry footing—viz., they were called out one day in the week for training, and they were paid only for that day, so that a thoroughly efficient force was kept up at a little expense. The Right Hon. Gentle man had alluded to New Brunswick, and he complained of our having a very inadequate force in that colony ; but in calculating the force of the statement made, he forgot that it was wholly composed of militia; and, at the same time, in calculating the ford in New Brunswick, it totally excluded the militia in that province, which he was assured was in a most efficient state. He did not think it would be either expedient or proper for him to state the amount of force which we could command in New Brunswick or Ha lifax. The Hon. and Gallant Officer had been exceed ingly severe, because, as he stated, the troops had ar rived in the depth of winter. With regard to the 36th regiment, it could not be said that they had arrived in the d,ptii of winter, because the ship which carried them to the colony actually arrived in this country back again in the month of December. Then, with respect to the other regiment, the 69th, the Hon. and Gallant Member had talked of their arriving in a miserable state, but he had the authority of Sir Colin Campbell—he had the official let ter of Sir Colin Campbell—stating that they had ar rived in excellent order. Then with respect to the West Indies, the Honourable and Gallant Officer com plained of troops being withdrawn from those colonies, when in fact there required a greater force. In that the Hon. and Gallant Officer was mistaken. In Jamaica there was a great want of legislation, but there was no want of troops in that colony. It never was in a better state, nor in a state of less danger. Then with regard to Bermuda, the Hon. and Gallant Officer seemed to forget that that was a great naval station, and that its safety did not depend upon its garrison so much as its naval superiority. He for one did not maii.t tin that it was proper to keep up a war establishment in a time of peace.—( Cheers. ) If any thing was more likely than another to lead to war with the United States, it would be the jealousy which would be shown by a large increase in the establishment. He believed that a war with the United States would be one of the greatest calamities to both countries.—( Cheers.) And each were bound most cautiously to avoid anything that would tend to lead to it. If the Hon. Gentleman opposite thought that the policy of the Government was wrong, in place of questioning the number of troops in this province, or in that, they ought to take the sense of the House deliberately upEn the principle of the policy pursued by the Government, and if the House agreed with them, it would be only fair that they should succeed to the Executive Government, and that they should upon their own responsibility propose to Parliament those increased estimates which they thought necessary.— ( Cheers.) To show with what facility they could augment the Army, he would only state the fact that in thirteen months they had recruited to the amount of 15,000 men; that in December and January, after the orders had been given for increasing the Army to its full extent, it re cruited no less than upwards of 4,000. _ Mr. C. BULLER was one who had always voted with his Hon. Friend the Member for Kilkenny for a reduction of both the Army and Navy ; but when the Noble Lord, as Secretary at War, came forward with his reduced esti mates, it was a pity that he had hot whispered to his Nobl e Friend the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, that he ought to speak with bated breath—it was a pity that he had not told his ambitious colleague the President of the Board of Control, that he must not indulge his propensities by con quering new countries—it was a pity that he had not whis pered to his Noble Friend the Secretary for the Colonies, that he must give way to any rebels that may choose to op pose his sway. And with respect to Canada, would it not be wiser to send troops of the line to maintain our superi ority there, than to create asperity in the country by keeping one party in arms in order to keep down the other. ( Hear.) He was one of the] first to admit that Sir John Colborne was a very able soldier ; but in the present time it would be quite impossible to transport troops from Ha lifax to Quebec. He (Mr. Buller) did not exactly know what the number of soldiers was in New Brunswick. A New York paper said that the number was 500 regular troops, and that a few more might be got from Halifax. Now, the State of Maine, long anticipating an event of this description, had organized a well trained militia, im patient to decide the frontier question, by fighting with Great Britian. Maine had now 42.000 militia, and she might bring these, leaving out of the question what number of militia and regulars the United States might bring into the field, against the force of New Brunswick, which did not consist of more than 15,000 militia, and 500 regulars. No doubt Sir J. Colborne was making his ar rangements, but if our troops were withdrawn from Lower Canada, would not the Sympathizers make another attack ? He (Mr. B.) did not dread a war with America but for the sake of the commerce and social interests of both nations. He deprecated it as the greatest mutual evil that could happen ; and after what had happened, be should not be surprised if by the Liverpool packet, which would be due on Sunday, we should learn that a serious action had already taken place between the forces on the fron tiers very much against the wishes of the inhabitants of both nations. Why, then, should our negotiations on the Boundary question be procrastrnated.—(Hear, hear.) The Governor of New Brunswick said he must use force, and the Governor of Maine said he knew his troops would do their duty. In this critical juncture it was lucky that Mr. Fox, our resident at Washington, had committed the humiliating act of withdrawing our pretensions.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The disputed land was most valuable, and was eagerly resorted to by members from either side on account of the valuable pine timber it possessed—that of North America having been in a great measure destroyed. He thought it therefore of the highest importance that this question should be settled as soon as possible. Ile would remind the House, that it was not as regarded Maine alone that the boundary question was to be settled, but it had to be settled over a line of 1,500 miles, with the state of Massachussette, New Hampshire, Vermont, and others. Ought nut the House, therefore, to compel Ministers to settle this question.—( Hear, hear.) His opinion, and that of the few English gentlemen who had studied this question, was, putting the American side of the controversy out of the question, that the claim of the British Government was the most pre posterous, absurd and unjust, that had ever en tered the annals of diplomocy. The American people felt very strongly the justice of their side, and were determined to maintain it at all hazards—if .then, we were determined to maintain our pretensions—our Government should at once collect a strong military force upon the frontiers, or renew the negotiations upon a basis that might speedily afford a settlement to the satisfaction of both the British and American people. Lord PALMERSTON was ready to give the Hon. Gentleman credit for great ability and research, but he would ask whether his speech was in any way calculated to afford any additional facilities for the settlement of that difference between the two coun tries which had already existed for half a century, and which certainly would have been settled long ago, if it were not of a very difficult nature.—( Hear, hear.) He (Lord P.) had carefully studied the question, and had come to a totally different conclusion from the Hon. Gentleman.—( Hear, hear.) It was well known, of course, that the arbitration of the differences had been referred to the King of the Netherlands, who had decided upon two of the three points against the Americans, and had re served the third for farther consideration, and that the Americans had refused to admit, be c a u se his Majesty had not given a decided opinion upon all together.—( Hear. ) Anybody who had heard the statements of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, would believe that all the contests that had taken place between the borderers on either side had been occasioned by some absurd pretensions set up by him ( Lord Palmerston) on the part of that country. Such was not the case, but here was a large tract of thinly peopled country, which some one of the two Powers concerned was required to keep in order, and to prevent those riots and disturbances which would other wise necessarily take place. It had been arranged that until some definitive arrangement was come to, the care of that district should vest in the mother country. The Hon. Gentleman had also referred to a disputed boundary on the coast of the Pacific, and had said that nothing was easier than to make a satisfactory settlement of the matter. Het. ajesty's Government was well assured of the amic.. ing that existed on the part of the Ame rican Gov ~•nt, and therefore he could not allow him self to thiiik that it would be either wise or expedient to make a large addition to their force on that station c c , the pul p.,so ru:tirg down the borderers. He thought at a time when they were at peace with other countries, it would not be judicious to take such a step, although the CHILI AND PERU. Mr. O'CONNELL wished to know whether -her Ma jesty's Government had taken any steps, by their influence or otherwise, to put an end to the war now waging between Chili, the Bolivian Confederation, and Peru? Lord PALMERSTON said her Majesty's Govern ment had been very anxious to endeavour, if pos sible, to put an end to the war between the Bo livian Confederation and the Republics of Chili and Buenos Ayres, and had sent out an offer of me diation, but which had been accepted by the Confedera tion only. Negotiations, however, were still going on be tween her Majest)'s Government and the Government of Chili and Buenos Ayres, with the hope that that unfortu nate contest might be put an end to. Mr. O'CONNELL said the answer of the Noble Lord was perfectly satisfactory, and hoped the Government would persevere in their efforts. ARMY ESTIMATES. _ _ Right flonourable Gentleman opposite seemed to think that there was hardly a possession they had abroad in which their naval or military force ought not to be increased. The Right Hon. Gentleman had instanced Bermuda as a place which required additional protection, as being, one of the points most likely to he taken pos session of by the United StateS. Ho ( Lord P.) wasready to admit that in the event of a war With America, that would be one of their vulnerable points, but it appeered to him that there v: , :te no the slightest apprehension of such an event, and that her Majesty! Government had exer cised a sound discretion in not further increasing the army estimates for the present year.—( Hear, hear.) Lord ARTHUR LENNOX hoped some improvement would be made in the present system of ball practice in the army. A large quantity of ammunition was purchased for the recruit when he entered the service, and he was obliged to repay the sum expended for that purpose, and to that system might be attributed the many desertions that took place. After a few words from Mr. C. BULLER in explanation, Siir J. HOBHOUSE felt it necessary to offer a few remarks in reply to the statement of the Right lion. Baronet opposite. He ( Sir J. Hobhouse) had never stated that the Indian army was in the same state as at the close of the Burmese war, He had no hesitation in ad mitting that a large augmentation had taken place both in the Indian army and the Queen's forces. Ho agreed with the Right Hon. Gentleman that if they were tO carry on these great operations in India, they should have a still further addition to the existing force. He had felt him self justified in directing an additional increase, without waiting for further despatches from Lord Auckland.— ( Hear, hear.) He bad applied to the East India Com pany on the subject, and they had at once agreed with him as to the necessity of a further increase. He wished it were possible to send complete and ready regiments out to India, but that was impossible, and he would at once admit it ; but they would take the next best step, and that was to recruit as rapidly as possible, and send them out. He hoped lie would be excused from entering at present into any s.taternent relative to the policy:of Lord Auckland, but he had no hesitation in stating that the Government was convinced of the necessity of increasing their present mili tary force iii that country. They had felt it necessary to draw a military line along the frontier of Nepaul, and that could not be done without additional troops; and he would add that the Indian Government was fully alive to what was passing in the Burmese Empire. The Governor of India had a force, certainly not a large one, at his dis posal, but it could be made to co-operate with the naval force on the coast, and thus increase its power and effi ciency.—( Hear, hear.) lie believed, therefore, that there was not that ground for apprehension which the Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to entertain, and which was called into existence merely on the faith of newspaper statements. He would not trouble the House further; but when they came to the discussion of that important question, which he hoped would be discussed with the spirit manifested this evening, for he agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tarnworth, who, at the opening of the Session, had enforced the necessity of sinking all party disputes on this discussion; he (Sir John Hobhouse) should give his opinion on this subject, and he trusted the House would give it a fair and impartial consideration. Mr. HUME said that he wished the Right Hon. Gen tleman had not alluded to the free Press in India, hut had made the same allowance for the Press of India as he would have done for the press of England. The free Press had been of advantage to India. With that excep tion, he agreed with the Right Hen. Gentleman. He wished that the Gallant Officer opposite, instead of stating the amount of the Army in 1835 and 1836, had moved for returns showing the amount of the army for some years previously, as it was only upon these returns that the House could carne to a just conclusion. Ile believed the Indian Army was now in good condition, and could be doubled in a month if requisite, and what was more he believed the Government had the means of paying them. He hoped the affair of India would take the turn as had been anticipated, but he quite agreed with the necessity for carrying on war there with vigour, and gave great cre dit to Lord Auckland, for backing up his diplomatic ar rangesnents by the assembling of an overwhelming force. With regard to Canada, he did not believe that the addi tion of 1,000 men would be necessary, if justice had been done to that colony. Having determined two years ago to deprive them of their constitution, the Government should have been prepared to crush thew at once ; but the Government alone were not to blame, as a great majority of that House had supported them. The Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for Tam worth, had said last night that any man might have fore seen what had occurred. If so, why did he by his vote encourage this injustice ? The Colonies had been treated in the most cruel manner by the country which ought to protect them. He was glad to see that this Government did not intend to increase the force in Canada, because they trusted in :the anxiety manifested by the Government of Washington equally with themselves— to preserve peace. War would he equally destructive to the best interests of both countries; and, therefore, they had acted wisely in showing no jealousy of the Govern ment of America. If the Americans were determined to take Canada, this country could not prevent them. —(Cries of " No," from the Opposition.) The attempt to protect it would cost 100,000,000/. of money, and therefore it was a wise policy not to raise the jealousy of the American Go vernment, but to do their best to attach the Colonies to the country. The Right Hon. Gentleman made out no case for the increase of the Army, and he thought the Govern ment had done all that could be required of them. He held the measure with respect to rewards for good conduct a wise and economical one, and would not object to any expense which would do away with the odious, tor turing punishment of flogging. He also approved of the establishment of libraries. He considered the proportion of officers to men in the British Army far too great, and thought that some reduction might be made in that re spect. He objected to a large standing army, because it induced Governments to bully their neighbours, instead of attending to their own concerns. He wished to ask the Noble Lord to what extent promotion from the ranks had taken place within the last year? Lord 1 - 10 WICK could not state the exact number, but all vacant quarter-master ships had beets invariably given to non-commissioned officers and engineers where possible. With regard to the proportion of officers to men, he found: that the French Army, amounting to 238,532 men, had 10,979 officers; and the English Army consisting of 84,831 men, had 4.520 officers ; being one officer to 211- men in the French as my, and one officer to 181 men in the English Army. But the duties of the staff in the French Army were performed by the Etat- Major, and the duties of recruiting were unnecessary, in consequence of conscription, so that the proportion of officers was really rather less than the English Army. Captain BOLDER() could not agree with the Hon. Member for Kilkenny, that the army of the country ought to be reduced 20,000 men, for in his opinion, looking at the state of the affairs of this country or India, the Army was not sufficient at the present moment. He felt bound to deprecate the statements of the Hon. Member for Lis keard, as he believed they were only made for the purpose of embarassing the Boundary question. He was surprised at the observations that had been made, that this country had no less than 38,000 volunteers and militia in Canada receiving one-third more pay than the British men. He thought this was unjust towards the soldiers of this country, and was incurring an expense that was not at all necessary. He thought the Noble Lord was not entitled to all the praise of establishing libraries in all the different barracks, because if be went to Woolwich and many other places, he would find that libraries were esta blished there long before they were thought of by the Noble Lord. When it was said the Army was too large, he considered it too small ; and as to corporeal punishment, he thought it ought to be abo .. lished.—( Hear.) Sir DE LACY EVANS thought the Right Hon. Gentleman's statements as to the deficient state of the army of the country was greatly exaggerated. With re gard to Canada, he believed that the American frontier, so far from being in a defenceless state, was most effec tive, added to which, instead of there being any apprehen sion from the americans, there was the greatest possible disposition on their part to continue on friendly terms with this country. In Canada there had undoubtedly been in surrection, but there was not now civil war. Then it was thought additional troops were required in Jamaica. Differences had taken place, it was true, in that colony, between the Legislature in that colony and the inhabitants, but he did not think it was of that character that required additional troops. Then it was said this country was likely to go to war with the Burmese. A rebellion had broken out in that country, between the Sovereign and his people, but he frosted it would soon be put an end to. It was said that the interior of India was in a state of discontent ; that was a circumstance to be re gretted, if it was the fact ; but he must confess that he had seen nothing that would induce him to think the inhabitants of that country were likely to rise against England. He was sorry to hear the observations of the Hon. Member for Liskeard on the subject of the Boundary, because he was sure they would have no good effect. Sir H. HARDING E said he considered it a proof of neglect on the part of the Government, that, at the time Sir J. Harvey wrote his answer to the Governor of Maine there were but two battalions in New Brunswick, instead of four, which was the lowest peace establishment of that colony. As to India, the Right Hon. the President of the Board of Controul had, in one of the most statesmanlike speeches ever delivered, admitted substantially all that he ( Sir Henry Hardinge) had stated. With regard to Canada, he considered that if Sir John Colborne was properly supplied with troops, that colony might without difficulty be defended against any attacks. Sir DE LACY EVANS said that at the commence ment of the last war with America there was a smaller force in the Canadas than at present; yet they were suc cessfully and triumphantly defended.—( Hear, hear.) The vote was then agreed to, as were the following:— 155,359/.for the staff-officers ; 58.708/.for the public depart meets of the Army ; and 17,4813/. for the Royal Military Asylum. On the vote of 79,1371. for Volunteer Corps, Mr. HUME said he considered this body not only use less, but mischievous, as it kept up party spirit in the coun try, which he should like to see removed. He hoped the present Government, if they continued in their situations — ( A laugh)—would look to this as one' of the means of effecting a saving. Lord HO WICK said that last year a partial reduction had been made, and he did not think the manner in which it had been agreed to was calculated to induce the Govern ment to go further. He did not think the Volunteer force had had the effect of alienating one class from another. The vote was agreed to. 16,0421. was then voted to the officers of certain gar risons. Lord IIO\VICK then moved that a sum of 102,0001. be granted for defraying the pay of General officers. Mr. HUME said this was one of the items which pressed so heavily upon the country, and had been reported against by a Committee in 1822. They recommended that the dead weight, which was then five millions, should be placed on such a footing that its gradual extinction should be ensured; in place of that it was now nearly as great as it was then. object,..d to th” system of the pr:lmcoio,l of nnattactied oificrs as one of the greatest abo:•c:i t Army. It was a great evil, and . the Noble Lord ought to take some steps for putting an end to the system. Lord HO WICK did not feel himself at liberty to defereri the Committee of 1822. The Hon. Gentleman had k 1 alluded to the dead weight, but he did not separate the military from the civil and the naval dead weight. It wag necessary to have General officers for the Colonies, and it was also necessary as a reward for their services; but the number was very much reduced, even to the number of 50; so, also, had the number of half-pay. officers been re duced one-half. Sir HENRY HARDINGE begged to state, in reply to the Hon. Member for Kilkenny, that since the Peace the number of officers on half and full pay reduced had been 7,165, and the saving to the country amounted to 1,300,000/. Mr. HUME denied that there could be any reduction in the half-pay, when a sum of 5,000,0001. was asked for deadweight ; and the sum had been the same since 1822, with a very trifling reduction. The difference be tween the effective and non-effective portion of the Army was only 1,106,000/., which would at once show the im policy and extravagance of the present system. A short conversation took place as to the conditions upon which naval and military officers could receive pen sions for services, and whether officers on full pay were enabled to receive them, in which Mr. C. Wood, Sir James Graham, Sir Henry Hardinge, and Sir George Clerk took part. The vote was then agreed to. 57,0001, was granted to defray the charge of full pal for reduced and retired officers. 517.0001. was granted to defray the charge of half-prY retired officers. 67,20.11. was granted to defray the charge of half-pay ' reduced allowance of officers on foreign service. 143,942/. was granted for pensions to widows of officers. 131,8001. was gr.:Wed to defray the charges of the Compassionate List. The vote for the Chelsea Pensioners was postponed, at the request of Sir H. Hardinge. 44,0001. was granted to defray the charges for super annuations. The House then resumed ; the Chancellor reported pro gress, and asked leave to sit Again. The Copyhold Enfranchisslment Bill went through Committee, and was ordered to be reported on Monday. Lord HO WIC K brought in the Mut in y Bill, which was read a first and ordered to he read a second time on Monday. Mr. C. WOOD brought in the Marine Mutiny Bill, which was read a first and ordered to be read a seconl time on Monday. On the motion of Mr. GILLON, a return of the amount of Post-horse Duty paid in each of the three months respectively ended the sth day of Januar,T, 1838, and the sth day of * January, 1839, was agreed to. On the motion of General SHARPE, a return of 1 01 Officers of Cavalry who have been appointed Colonels of regiments subsequent to the Ist day of January, 1828, with statement of the length and nature of the services of each, in the form and terms established at the Horse Guards for Regimental Returns of Service, was agreed to. On the motion of Mr. HU ME, a return was ordered of the number of visitors admitted to the Armoury in the Tower, from the Ist day of May, 1837, to the Ist day of March. 1838, and from the Ist day of May, 1838, to the Ist day of March, 1839, stating the number of free admissions, and the number of those persons who paid for admis sion in each of those months ; the rate of fees paid by each, and aggregate amount received in the same time ; stating also in what manner the money re ceived has been appropriated, and to whom paid. Also of the number of visitors admitted to the Jewel-office in the Tower, in each of the last four years, stating the number in each month admitted free, and the number who have paid for admittance, the rate of fees paid for each person in that period, and the aggregate amount received in each year from such fees; also, an account of the man ner in which the money received has been appropriated , and to whom paid. On the motion of Mr. BARING, it was ordered that the House at its rising should adjourn to Monday. A petition was presented from the Electors of Carlow , praying to be heard at the bar in support of the return of Colonel Bruen for that county. _ a The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Twenty Minutes past Eleven o'clock to Monday. INSOLVENT GOVERNMENT CLERKS.---It was stated in the Insolvent Court yesterday that Sir Re bert Peel, while in office, had ordered every Governmen t clerk who took the benefit of the Act to be discharge from his situation forthwith. This determination had, it is said, been productive of much benefit. DANCING MAD.—The English have become as fond of quadrilles and waltzes, as the French. We have had four large bands fiddling away, namely, the one at the English Opera House (which has been very successful); another on Wednesdays and Fridays, at the Crown Ind Anchor ; Schallein (a la Strauss) at Willis's Rooms; and the Quadrille Institute at the Hanover-square Rooms; amounting altogether to two hundred and thirty performers • —Musical World. THE FIRE AT WARTIELD VICARAGE. -- ; 1 The recent melancholy fire at Warfield, has excite ( ' among all classes in that neighbourhood, from the exete plary character borne by the Rev. Mr. Furlong , and the high esteem which is universally entertained towards hire' feelings of the most profound regret. The Rev. Gentle-f man himself, labours at this moment under feelings hoe the deepest sorrow, not so much on account Of t ultimate pecuniary loss which he may sustain, (for the surance will by no means cover the actual loss), as from the, circumstance of the premature dreadful death of one et the pupils entrusted to his care. An inquest has bee.n held upon the body of that unfortunate youth, who 19 , the son of the Rev. Temple Freere, a Prebendary Westminster, and only between ten and eleven yea rs of age, before James May, Esq., Coroner for the count! of Berks, when a full inquiry took place into the circus' stances attending the death of the unfortunate young gen tleman. The body, or rather the remains, which bad been placed in a coffin in the school-room, presented a shocking appearance, scarcely a part of it having escaped severe burning. The ur after a lengthened inquiry returned a verdict that "the deceased was accidentally burnt to death." DUTCHSAM AGAIN IN TROUBLE.—DutCh Sam who was i n di c ted a t the Hertford assizes, for the w ei r slaughter of Phelps, alias " Brighton Bill," in a pugilistic encounter, but acquitted, has ever since been in Hert ford gaol, on detainers for loot., the amount of his recogniz ance which he forfeited, and a warrant for an assault upon M ac kenzie, the messenger at Hatton. ssarden Police-office , w " ° was formerly connected with the A division of po llee ' The assault, it will be recollected, was committed 1 1 Dutch Sam at a public house in Piccadilly, whilst wit' Lord Waldegrave. Yesterday, Pinder, an officer con nected with the High Bailiff of Westminster, proceeded to Hertfold, and took the prisoner into custody, when hie brought him to London, and lodged him in Tothill-fi elds prison, preparatory to undergoing his trial at the ensuiagf Westminster Sessions, which commence on the 6th April next, for the assault upon Mackenzie. SHOTS FIRED AT THE DUBLIN AND L 114 5; RICK Mate. co/wit.— As the Dublin and Limerick W ei :: coach was passing through the " Murderer's Hollows; near the Curra g h of Kildare, on last Monday nigh t s i f came nearly in contact with a common car, full c' armed men. After passing about one perch, five shots were , discharged at the guard in rapid succession, but fortun ately without effect. We do not suppose that this was a pre; concerted attack on the coach, but we are of op iel °, that some of the midnight militia of Ireland were on the !: way to the adjoining review ground. It is to be rema rke d that they were all on the car, and did not even get off of after firing the shots. MADRID, MARCH B.—The dinner given by s General Seoane to Lord Clarendon on Tuesday viel s brilliant and well-managed affair. The Eco of this gives at last a detailed description of it, though the ductors of that journal, as well as several of the most til s ; tinguished Liberals and old friends of the General, suc h° Lopez, Caballero, and others, were not of the Pe l l; which was taken as an indication of a schism among, them; 36 political notabilities sat down to the elegant ba s t quct, Lord Clarendon being seated between Geae r it Seoane and the Duke of Saragossa. Gentlemen o f e re political colours were partaking of it. The Liberals w represented by Messrs. Arguelles, Calatrava, Los fle r n j Olozaga, Infante, Ferrer, Mendizabal, Gonzales, &c. f .; „ A s s, the Moderados by the Duke de Gor, M. Martinez de la "„ i w Isturitz, Landero, Baron Carondelet. The Corps DiP l° ;,;,s, tique furnished its contingent in the persons of M. de 1- ,I LI‘ the Portuguese Minister ; the son of Count Metaxas, the G . ' s ° Ambassador himself being indisposed ; M. DalWa tj : Danish Charge d'Affaires; and the ex-Diplomat Messrs. Onis, Campuzano, Aguilar, Carnerero. Ge l g r e. Quiroga, Ferras, Count Castijon, the Marquis Valle Pegs, broso, Count Espeleta, and Campo Alavye ; and Meg re' Southern and Otway, the Charge d'Affaires and e `" t he tary of the British Embassy were also present; bu t o ld absence of every individual of the French Embassy not pass unnoticed—yet in all the speeches nothierpse, the least reflecting on the French Government co o . ell recorded, as on a former occasion of a Parliamentary at the Sordos v Mudos, which the French journale. 4 o o dwelt on in so inviduous a manner. Lord Clarendon, teyoel, the end of the dinner, proposed the health of QueeP t' s er o f in a neat speech, terminating with an energetic pra t cens " may Heaven confound her enemies." The first toss toe Seoane gave was " The Queen of England may P e c os. grant her a long and happy reign and numerous sion ;" and afterwards, " Lord Clarendon, his safe, ar l The his own country, and speedy return amongst O. os ted , British nation, navy, and liberal diplomacy wera t in aef and her noble representative gratefully alluded to ce on of topics. The King of Denmark for having bee n ° r oll' the first to recognise Queen Isabel, and finally an el n rote matical allusion was made by General Infante to a p o p' himself. M. Mendizabal gave Lord Palmerston and tugal, an ally that has shed her blood for S which it was observed M. de Lima did not acknqmsde otherwise than by signs. But Lord Palmerston he toff W el A his acknowledamet t s per anticipation, terming his . 0. Spanish "ode in 1826 the firm and prudent government of Sl )B ,! n g b e ; set of serenaders, with torches, paraded that co il- tu ra!' fore the embassy, when Lord Clarendon, on his r : te utts l ten, showed himself and bowed to them most eon' from the balcony. f the GLORIOUS NE WS .—I n consequence hat fin es cision of the Jud ges i n t h e case o f Schofield', t, this ordered to be gi ven t o t h e poor canno t be lev'euare pro colony, as there are no legal poor, the Magistrateispiersol vented from fining drunkards, and consequentlY srinsteaA for the last 3 or 4 days, apprehended for drunkenned:sn' barge" of being fined or sent to the stocks have been nou ss . t le. without any punishment. According to their I .l °,. tin g llea cision, every Magistrate in the colony has been a `n n sider. e : gayly for the last twenty years, and it has beee, e nnn eil, necessary to lay a Bill before the Legislative .I,otising the payment of the fines to the Benevolent AgYl nto oper i : o demnifying the Magistrates. The Bill for atit t n_ in read a second time to morrow, but cannot cote rnn icard? lion for a fortt:itt, during which time all the ften as 0:4 the eolon :!r: at f,,11 liberty to get drui l eyes.— .s . #*ay Herald. please, hoot the fear of the stoactks°before th EVENING EDITION'.