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UIPER lAL PARLIAMENT, (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER entered the House a Quarter before Four o'clock, shorty after which Sir Augustus Clifford, the Usher of the Black Rod, appeared at the Table, and sum moned the House to the House of Lords, to bear the Royal • Assent given to several Bills, for which see our Lords' Report. Mr. Swinburne, from the Commissioners of Westminster bridge, presented certain returns. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. Lord J. RUSSELL said that as he believed there was not business to occupy the House to-morrow, he begged leave to move that the House at its rising do adjourn to Friday next.—Agreed to. COMMON FIELDS INCLOSURE. Mr. LEADER presented a petition from Bristol against this Bill. As, however, a clause had been introduced to obviate the objections of the petitioners, he would not oc cupy ta e time of the House with any observations upon them. CHURCH RATES. Mr. WILKS presented a petition from Chatteris, in E 17.4 deprecating the continuance of Church Rates. Lord J. RUSSELL would take that opportunity to cor ?ect a misunderstanding respecting some words that had • fallen from him on this subject. When the subject was discussed in that Reuse, and an Honourable Member stated to him that his vote would depend upon his (Lord J. Russell's) answer respecting Church Rates, he thought that it. would be unfair to induce that Hon Gentleman to give his vote, when it might afterwards appear that the measure which he (Lord John Russell) would have to 'propose might not be such as that Hon. Gentleman con templated. This statement of his was supposed to imply that he (Lord J.. Russell) felt quite certain that the mea sure he intended to introduce next Session would be a measure that must be 'unsatisfactory to that Honourable Gentleman, and to his Honourable Friend who had presented this petition, and to others who had taken an interest in this subject. He begged leave to say -that he did not at all mean to imply this : what he meant was, that he would not take advantage of an Hon. Gentle man's vote, when the measure he had to propose might not come up to that Hon. Gentleman's expectations ; but his hope was then, and is now, that the measure which he should have to propose would be satisfactory to his Hon. Friend who had presented this petition, and to the great part of those who were interested in the subject.--(Hear.) THE BISHOPS. Mr. RUTHVEN presented a petition from St. Ann's, Dublin, stating that the public business would be greatly facilitated in the House of Lords, if the Bishopi had not seats there, and praying the House to take into its consi deration some measure by which the Bishops might be ex pelled from the House of Lords. He moved that the pe tition be laid on the table. Mr. A. TREVOR would oppose the petition being laid on the table. It prayed that the Bishops might be expelled from the House of Lords, and he submitted that that was not language in which petitions presented to that House ought to be couched. Lord JOHN RUSSELL would like to hear the opi nion of the Chair, as to whether the petition ought to be received or not. The SPEAKER considered the petition contained lan guage which would prevent its being received by the House. Mr. RUTHVEN would withdraw the petition, and take care that the language Was am en d e d. A t t h e same time he b e li eve d t h at such petitions had been received by the House. Mr. BUCKINGHAM gave notice of his intention to move for Select Committees on his Bills respecting public walhs, public grounds for play, and for the preservation of the public morals. Mr. HUME wished to ask the Nob'ie Lord (Lord J. Russell), whether any measure for the more speedy trial of juvenile offenders was in the contemplation of the Govern ment for next Session, as he had before promised that some - measures on the subject wzre in contemplation, and they had not yet heard of it. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said a measure upon the subject would be brought fOrward in the next Session. He might be allowed then to say that he thought the Dartmoor would have made an excellent prison for the purpose. He bad sent down an inspector of prisons, and an architect, who reported that it would not be worth while to lay out money for repairing it, it not being in a fit state. He had directed inquiries to be made respecting other public places, but had not yet been able to satisfy himself with a building which would be suitable to the purpose. Mr. LENNARD said a report had long been on the table from the Commissioners who inquired into the cri minal law. He had been deterred from bringing forward any measure, hoping that the Government would do so. He now wished to ask, whether it was probable the Government would introduce some measure next Session ? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said a measure upon the sub ject was in contemplation. The report on the table did not, though an able report, enable him to introduce a Bill upon it. He intended, therefore, to refer some other question to the Commissioners, which he thought would be answered in time. Mr. M. PHILLIPS presented a petition from the cot ton and woollen manufacturers of Manchester and Salford, praying for the repeal of the duties on cotton. The Hon. Member gave notice that he would, early in the next ses sion, move for the entire repeal of the duty on raw cotton. After some few observations from Mr. HUME and Mr. ROBINSON, the petition was ordered to be laid on the table. CHURCH RATES. Mr. D. W. HARVEY presented a petition from the Chichester Church Association, praying for the redress of grievances. The petitioners, after enumerating the griev ances of whi c h th ey comp l a i ned, hoped his Majesty's Mi nisters would next Session introduce a Bill for the abolition of Church rates. Also a petition from the Surrey Radical Association against certain parts of the Poor Law Amend ment Bill, and for the repeal of the Corn Tax. Mr. WARBURTON presented a petition from Wi port, prayin g that a penalty might be imposed upon rill per sons selling spirits below the legal proof. ORDNANCE. Sir R. DONKIN presented papers from el se Ordnance office, which were l a id on the table. Mr. HUME hoped that during the reces s some measures would be taken to carry into effect the recommendations of the Committee upon this subject, EDUCATION. Mr. EWA RT begged to know whether it was the inten tion of his Majesty's Government to appoint a Commission to inquire into the state of education hi England and W a l es . Lord JOHN RUSSELL, as we understood, said that the subject would have the consideration of Government previous to the next Session of Parliament. ADMISSION OF LADIES. Mr. HUME, on behalf of the Hon. Member for Glou cester, begged to give notice, that early next Session, he should renew his notice for the admission of ladies to the Gallery of the House of Com:nons.—(Laughter.) LIEUTENANTS OF COUNTIES. Mr. WI LKS gave 'notice, that early next Session, he should.move the appointment of a Select Committee to consider the present system of the appointment of Lords (Lieutenant of Cnuties, and of Justices of the Peac e .— Hear, hear.) The Il on . M em b er was proceeding on the subject, whr a be was called to order. HAMPS HIRE LABOURERS. Lord J. RUSSELL, in reference to a m o ti on th a t s t oo d on the pap er respecting the labourers who were tra ns p or t al in 1831 for ma chine-breaki ng and riot, said it was °rite un necessary to enter into this question, as it wovid 'be suffi cient to read a letter from the Under Secretary of State for the Colonies, in repl y to one that Was written by him (Lord John Russell) t Ist of August, which he thought would be satisfactory,The letter stated, that in consequence of a communication from him (Lord J. Rus sell), the whr,le of the conviFts who had been trans ted for machine-breaking and riot had been pardoned, por except ten, who were undereeino.e,p.cunishment for offences committed in the Colonies. Th: exception bad only been made with respect to those who had en. previously con victed of other offenses unconnected with riots or machine breaking.—(Hear, bear.) Mr. HUME-Did the pardon include all? Lord -1.0 HN RUSSELL—There was no distinction. The Public Works (Ireland) Bill was then read a third time, and passed. PAROCHIAL ASSESSMENT BILL. On the motion of Mr. P. THOMSON the Parochial Assessment Bill was read a third time and passed. EXCHEQUER SUITS BILL. On the motion of the SOLICITOR-GENERAL the Exchequer Suits Bill went through a Committee, and was ordered to be relta a third time on Friday. C°MMON FIELDS ENCLOSURE BILL. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the consideration of the Lords' Amendments to the Com mon Fields Enclosure Bill. Mr. POTTER would submit whether the House could discuss amendments that were not before it. They were not even printed, and few of th e Members had seen them. jMr. AKLEY said if there were not most serious ob ections to the amendments he would not oppose the Bill, provided an opportunity was given till Friday to examine them. Mr. BAGSH AW could n o t sec t h e propriety of post poning' the consideration of the amendments. Mr. HUME said either the House was called upon to answer the Lords' amendments or not ; if they were, they ought to know what the amendments were. __,...._.__ 7 4COND 7 EDITIO INT Mr. YOUNG an d M r , `NICKS deprecated th e postpone • mcnt of the consideration of the amendments. SUN OFFICE, SCVCII 0' CIOCk. Mr. WAKLEY approved of the principle of the Bill, but he would not sanction amendments without reading them. As far' as he had read the amendments he believed that they had improved the Bill. Mr. BLAMIRE denied that the Bill would have the effect of taking away open grounds in the neighbourhood of towns, which had hitherto been appropriated to the public. He thought it would be far better that the dis cussion should go on. Mr. LEADER thought that time ought to be given till 'Friday, in order to give Hon. Members an opportunity of reading the amendments. Mr. HARVEY thought that a Bill of such importance ought not to be introduced within 24 hours of the proroga tion of Parliament. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said they ought to read the amendments, and understand what they meant. If it appeared that difficulties arose upon the amendments, ' and that objections existed, then a proposition might be fairly made for the postponing the con sideration of the Bill to another time. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when the numbers were— For taking the Amendments into consideration 60 Against it 5 THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 17, It-:36. Majority —ss The amendments were then taken into consideration. Mr. WAKLEY begged to know what Bill they were upon, and what clause ? He really did not know what was going forward.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) If the principle of the Bill had not been interfered with, and that the amendments of the Lords were printed, and taken into consideration on Friday, neither himself nor any of the Hon. Members near him would offer any opposition to it.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. WARBURTON said the Lords' amendments have only tended to render the Bill more popular.—(Hear.) Mr. WAKLEY contended that in the clause under discussion the meaning of the word " land" had been very considerably extended. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL defended the clause. PRISONERS' COUNCIL BILL. In consequence of a Message from the Lords, a Con ference was held in Committee-room No. 5, on the subject of the Lords' Amendments to the Prisoners' Council Bill. The Managers informed the House that the Lords insisted on their amendments to the Bill. Mr. EWART gave notice that be should move the con sideration of the amendments on Friday. Lord JOHN RUSSELL stated that be should on Friday move that the Commons do not insist on their amendments to the amendments of the Lords. COMMON FIELDS INCLOSURE BILL. The House then resumed their discussion on the Lords' amendments to this Bill. Mr. LEADER said the House must see it was impos sible to go on with the consideration of the Lords' Amend ments without their being printed. Mr. HUME sa id h e found it impossible to follow the Chairman in this Bill. After a few words from Mr. WAKLEY, Mr. LENNARD, and Mr. A. PELHAM, it was agreed that the amendments should be printed, and taken into consideration on Friday next. MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. A Message from the Lords announced that their Lord ships had agreed to the County Polls Bill, and the Church Temporalities Bill. BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the third reading of this Bill. Mr. A. TREVOR opposed the Bill. He considered it an inroad on the elective franchise, and that the effect of it would be to deprive many voters of their votes. He would move as an amendment, that the Bill be read a third time this day three months. Colonel SIBTHORP seconded the motion. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when the numbers were, For the motion For the amendment ,. 1 Majority --49 Colonel SIBTHORP proposed a Clause, by way of Rider, to prevent bribery on the part of the Government by giving places to parties in order to procure their votes. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that such a clause would weaken the effeet of.this (Cheers.) Col. SIBTHORP said that he had proposed the clause as an additional trap to catch the Government. He be lieved they would be what was called a poser.—(Laughter.) Mr. TREVOR hoped his Gallant Friend would divide the House upon the subject, if he did he should go along him, although he was alone. He was used to that now. After some further observations from Colonel Sibthorp the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Mr. Palmer, stran gers were ordered to withdraw. The House then divided, when there appeared-- For the clause Against it ... 45 Majority -43 On our return to the gallery we found Mr. A. TREVOR on his legs, moving that the 4th clause be struck out of the Bill. The House divided when the numbers were— For the motion Against it 44 Majority 4 —4O (LEFT SITTING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. ROYAL ASSENT. The LORD CHANCELLOR, the Earl Of SHAFTESBURY, and Viscount DUNCANNON, sat as Commissioners to-day at four o'clock, to give the Royal Assent to the several Bills passed since the last Commission. The SPEAKER, attended by several Members, having appeared at the Bar, the Commission was read by the Clerk, and the Royal Assent was given in the usual form to the following Bills :—The Slave Owners' Compensation Bill, the Slave Treaties Bill, the Militia Pay Bill, the Re gistration of Births, Deaths, and Marriages Bill, the Mar riages (England) Bill, the Secular Jurisdiction (York and Ely) Bill, the Medical Witnesses Bill, the St. Clement (Oxford) Marriages Bill, the Creditors (Scotland) Bill, the Exchequer Offices Bill, the Valuation of Land (Ireland) Bill, the Sunk Island Road Bill, the Metropolitan Cemetery Bill, and the Langford Estate Bill. - The House then adjourned during pleasure. The House resumed at Five o'Clock. The Grand Jury Presentment Bill, and the Exchequer Bills Bill, were read a second time, on the motion of Lord . DUNCANNON. The Coal Trade Bill went through Committee without amendment as did also the Pensions Duty Bill, the Poor Law Loan Repayment Bill, and the Tithe Composition (Ireland) Bill. GREEK LOAN BILL. This Bill was read a third time, and passed. Mr. BERNAL, and others from the Commons, brought up the Parochial Assessment Bill. The Inns and Alehouses Bill went through Committee, and was reported without amendment. On bringing up the report, Lord WHARNCLIFFE moved the omission of the sixth clause, which after a conversation across the table, between Lord LYNDHURST and Viscount MELBOURNE, was agreed to. Lord LICHFIELD moved the first reading of the Paro chial Assessment Bill.—Agreed to. The NOBLE LORD gave notice that to-morrow he would move the suspension of the Standing Orders, in order to pass the Bill. The Stannaries Courts Bill, and the County Election Polls Bill, were read a third time and passed. The Lists of Voters Bill, and the Copyright Compensa- Con Bill, were read a second time. On the latter, Lord LANSDOWNE said he would state its purport to-morrow, on going into Committee. The Earls Rosslyn and Brownlow, Viscount Hood, the Bishop of Gloucester, Lords Redesdale, Lyndhurst, and Fitzgerald, were appointed as Managers for the Lords, to hold a Conference with the Commons, on the amendments made to the Prisoners' Counsel Bill. The Earl of ROSSLYN, the Manager of the Confe rence, on returning to the House, stated that the House of Commons still persisted in their objections to their Lord ships' amendments. common responsibility rested on the Government for the tont of triumphant expectation in which they spoke a thy_ atzit. Or the Queen. The same tone was held by . part 'Jr.,: public press, which, in their leading artiri:::, spoke of the resources of the Queen as ittev h .r.',";sii - tale, of her Generals ae bk..)\ , e anti skilfel, and ot the Spanish people as_ , rrienaly to her cau se . He felt confident th a t no t tee s h i lli ng of these loans would be paid, and that they who advanced their money I would,kiVe nothing fo r it b ut b lurred and blotted plece o'fOatit+. N ow, what were the main, the leadith featUFet nf this boasted Con stitution of 1812? First) tlWre. was universal suffrage. This might please Hon. Gentleman opposite, the o.et;. Member for Finsbury or others, who lee , riot studied the lessons of history, and had n ot yet h a d muc h exper i ence in the w or ki ngs of tho British Constitution. He looked upon universal suffrage as a great evil. But this was not all; for, by the Constitution of 1812, there was an intermediate election. In this the electors had, in fact, on inieiediate connection with their representatives. 'the representa tives under the Constitution of 181 e were few in number, greedy, attending only to their own interests, and caring nothing for principle. It was a system which, to the tVils of oligarchy, superadded all those of a get % democracy. This system was tried in France . ) telt it lasted only ten months. In the third place, this Constitution of 1812 re cognised no religion but the Roman Catholic. Now after all the discussions they had had for years in that House on freedom of conscience, was there one Member in it who could be friendly to a Constitution like this ? The English Government of that day did not approve of this Constituthm. It was left for some future Government to do that. The conduct of the Cortes under that Constitution was the sub ject of much complaint in England, because they attended so much to local and so very little to general interests, The Hon. Member for Kilmarnock laughed. Did he know that even the divine Arguelles himself never went to the Cortes without being armed with a dagger to protect him self? Arguelles himself mentioned this to a friend of Ma. Under that Constitution there was no Up pee 1i use. I t was in fact an exo ti c p l ant t h at never could flourish in Spain. The Cortes was to be triennial, and the Royal authority would have no veto. This Constitution was hostile to the wishes of the Spanish people, and whoever supported it could not be an admirer or supporter of the British Con stitution. There were times when it became necessary to support a Government against the democratic principle. He regretted the absence—(we could not hear of whom, and the Hen. Member continued 'for a long time quite in audible.) Ferdinand was placed on the throne without a blow having been struck for the Constitution.—(The Hon. Member was again quite inaudible.) In 1820 some diffi culties arose. Mendizabal excited rebellion in Spain (as we understood.) He was called from the Stock Exchange of London, to manage the finances of that country. He recently went over a second time, and was placed at the head of affairs. It was disgraceful to see a man taken from the Stock Exchange. of London, and made the first Mi nister of a great country. It waP., said he did not know it to be so ; but it was said that he was the great agitator in the present commotions. The Queen was torn in pieces between two contending parties. She was scarcely Queen de facto. What Hop e was there for her cause when one third of. Spain was in the hands of the Carlists, and t'ae rest under' the controul of the dis affected ? There was only one hope for Spain, and that Was to recognise the legitimate claims of Don Carlos. The classes most hostile to them were Radicals and Re publicans. From 1820 to 1823, Spain was disgraced by more atrocities than ever took place in any country, except during the French Revolution. A libel was written by the Canon Vinuesso (as we understood). He merely re commended in it that the Constitution should be settled upon the principles of the old system. He was sentenced to the gallies for ten years, and after that dragged out by a band of assassins and butchered. Did the Hon. Mem ber (Dr. Roaring) hear of him ? (" Yes," from Dr. Bow ring.) Did he hear of the Bishop who was shot by order of Mira ? Did he hear of the massacre of Corunna, where fifty-two persons convicted of offences not capital, and forty.two others, were placed in a vessel, two by two, Sabred, and then thrown into the water ? Such were the happy days of the Member for Kilmarnock. He would re peat, there was no chance for Spain but in recognising the claims of Don Carlos. He was a man of firmness. They might be sure he would not yield while the least hope of success remained. He proved this when Napoleon came to Spain. He then said, " My brother Ferdinand may resign his authority, but I never will give up my rights." Couple that with what has since occurred, and it proved that he was of a resolution never to yield. His san guinary decree, as it had been called, was often alluded to. The fact was, that, in issuing such a decree, he acted upon laws which long existed in. the Basque provinces. It was death to enter those provinces in arms. He should like to know what course Government meant to pursue under the present circumstances of Spain ? If they con nected themselves with the Constitution of 1812 they must form a union with the woman-killer, Mina, and with the as sassins of Barcelona and Corunna. He would conclude by moving for copies of any dispatch or dispatches received from Mr. Villiers, the Ambassador at Madrid, relative to the proclaiming of the Constitution of 1812 at Malaga, Cadiz, and other places.—{Throughout the whole of his speech we regret that the Hon. Member was audible only in half or quarter sentences.] Captain BOLDER() seconded the motion. Dr. BOWRING said the Hon. Gentleman greatly mis represented some facts. It was true there were in Spain only two g reat parties. Th e C onst i tut i on o f 181 2 was sanctioned by history, and by the usages of Spain. Under that Constitution there were three bodies of electors, and not two. He never knew that Arguelles carried a dagger for his defence when he attended the Cortes, and he had often accompanied him there. Universal suffrage existed in Spain from 1213. They never had a second Chamber, and the Cortes always assembled annually under the old Constitution of Spain. Mina informed him (Dr. Bowring) that he had nothing to do with the trial and conviction of Cabrera's mother. He only signed the warrant for her execution in discharge of his duty as Captain-General of the province. He hoped the Government of this country would rejoice at seeing the principle of freedom succeed in Spain. That principle he had no doubt would ultimately and permanently crush Don Carlos. Captain BOLDER() differed from the Hon. Member (Dr. Bowring) as to the probable result of the contest in Spain, but at the same time he thought that the interven tion of the third party who had now sprung up would be fatal to the cause of the Queen. The state of the Legion was very bad ; they were badly feci, badly paid, badly clothed, and, there was every reason to believe, not at all enthusiastic in the cause of the Queen. Should the Queen's cause fail, what would become of General Evans ? The Noble Lord said that he was an independent officer, and in the service of Spain. But, suppose the men of the Legion, from the want of pay or other causes, should mu tiny, and that Gen. Evans's life was placed in jeopardy, he hoped that the Noble Lord would take care there should be ships to embark him and his suite. He would be glad to see the dispatch containing Major Owen's orders, that it might at once be ascertained what was the real position of these marines as regarded General Evans. Lord PALMERSTON—It is not unnatural that the Honourable Member for Sandwich, who takes so lively an interest in the affairs of Spain, should take an opportunity at the close of the session again to record the opinions which he entertains both of the merits of the respective con tending parties, and of the probability of success on the one side and on the other, and I am not aware that in the ob servations made by the Hon. Member there really was much to call for any reply on my part. The Hon. Mem ber has repeated the opinions which he is well known to en tertain ; he has repeated the predictions which he has already made. With regard to his opinions, they are no doubt foundedin such sincerity on his part, that however I may differ from them, I feel they are entitled to respect. With regard to hi s p re di ct i ons , t h ey w i l l b e judged of by events, as his former predictions have been judged by, and by those events the Hon. Gentleman is no doubt prepared to abide. I say, then, that the Hon. Gentleman will not expect me to follow him into a discussion of the merits of either the claims of Don Carlos, which we do not admit, because the Spanish nation do not admit them, or the merits of the Royal sta tute, of which, as far as a stranger of Spain may form an opinion, was an approximation to a good form of government in that country. Neither will he require me to discuss with him the merits or demerits of the Constitution of 1812, which also, if I may venture to express an opinion, does not seem to me a form of Government which could be practically carried into execution, and which, even if it were established for a moment by the general concurrence of the nation, yet for the sake of permanent tranquillity it would be indispensable to make in that Constitution great and fundamental altera tions. But these are questions which concern Spain and Spaniards, and which we are not called upon to decide.— (Hear, hear.) I most sincerely wish and hope that the Spanish nation may acquire free institutions. What the particular form of whose Constitution shall be it remains for them to decide.—(Cheers.) But judging, as the Hon. Member wishes us to judge, from the lessons of history and from the experience of former ages, and judging also from those general principles which one is in the habit of apply ing to human affairs, I certainly am far from thinking that any thing which has lately occurred ought to lead me to believe that the Carlists and a despotic Government are more likely than they were to be established at Madrid. The Hon. Gentleman has said that the history of Spain shows how unwise it is to endeavour to anticipate events, and to force prematurely upon a nation institutions for which they are not ripe. I say, Sir, the history of Spain shows, and is one additional example to many which the history of the world affords, that if, on the one hand, it is unwise to force with too great rapidity changes on a nation, it, on the other hand, is most unwise and most dangerous to stop and arrest the natural progress of improve ment, and to attempt to make the social condition of man stationary, and that those who do so, as the Spanish nation . „ in fbi . miL' NM 11 . 6. s tione . , are silee to entail gl:eat tliStiii .!,afice ami ,cri•eat t ; 1 id's on fatiiPe ...,. 6- o•l4iiiiiiiiS: - The recent history Of Sp in shli*s;' at all:C6iitS; tilliia[ triitli; that nothiiiil 1s Oi ditiigeiEla Gil ,Ilic.. OA of a Say.ereign as to break faith with hii People:. ' Ferdinand did break faith with the Spanish people when lie tethrned 1.'6 h' thrOhe in 184', He l&Milicl3, bii',-;iiiier4l NO if „liii iAlii hiii sid4nt, ill'a ICAI. - i!',litlitiOn of 181.2, he would at least take steps to give to Spai n a f re e ieprekiitatike 08i-e ti'fiW4 iiient: : That promise was brAkei. e, Ale. ( c6d ig iii 6 Elio; ',3 iiif ,180.4 Aliii , .l I Inink ire fi might fairly and not unreasonably have objected to. . But he endeavoured to establish a pure despotism in the country ; and the history of the conse quences which ensued showed that no &vermeil can lrealt. faith with his . people without discredit to himself ; or withodt Intetrering.with the Mitre tranquillity of his country: The Mn. Gentleman has expressed himself in a manner alto gether unjustifiable with reference to a person who was lately at the head of the Spanish Administration; MI MencliSabal: Havinm been in political relation s w ith th at individual, I ?ht3dlethink 1 was not discharging my duty in this House if I did not say that I believe that in all the transactions in which that Minister has been engaged his thardeta ha's boeti solely unsullied,' and that M hat known, and shown too at great personal sacrifice, that he is devotedly attached to the wel fare and interests of his country. The Hon. Gentleman has undertaken the defence of. Don earles's Durango de cree. • He has Mild that, however he co n d emne d t h e li m i ts of the bloody character of that decree, that it was issued in deference to the ancient laws of Biscay, and that Car los had no discretion when it . was forced up o n hi m , ex cept giving his san c tion t o it s execution. Now, when the Hoe. Gentleman makes a defence of this decree upon the ground of its being in accordance with the laws of Biscay, let me ask him—where were the laws of Biscay, and where was the absolute necessity to enforce these laws ) *heti lion Carlos consented to the Eliot conven tiOn, because he stated that it is not only death for any man, not being a Spaniard, to put to death a soldier within the province, but that it was death also *for any soldier not belonging to the province to do so ? If, then, that law , justified the decree of Durango, it ought to have con ' eluded Don Carl os against consenting to the convention with Lord Eliot, according to which convention Spanish soldiers, not belonging to the province of Biscay, taken pri- Boners within that province, were to be released. But I say, that if there is such a law, that law is " more honoured in its breach than in its observance." It is possible that Don Carlos might drag forward some musty records, some local, provincial laws, which in a barbarous state of society, might justify acts which modern civilization ought to teach every man to avoid and condemn. Therefore it is no jus tification of Don Carlos, even if it were true that in the ancient records of the provice of Biscay any obsolete law might be found which would bear such a construction as has been attempted to be put upon the Durango decree. The Hon, Member who spoke last had stated, that he gave me another opportunity of correcting my recollection, if it had happened to have deceived me, as to the fact of the marines under Lord John Hay not being placed under the command of the General of the Queen of Spain. I think lam confirmed in the statement I made by what the Hon. Gentleman himself has said ; for he has stated that Major Owen was requested by the Quartermaster-General of the Queen's troops to take a certain position, and that Major Owen complied with that request ; that in the course of the day another order was issued to the Major to take up another position ; but that Major Owen, not considering himself justified in placing himself in that position;declined to comply with the request made to him. That was a dis tinct proof that Major Owen was not under the command of General Evans, because, if he had been, it would not have been a request on the one part and a declining to comply with it on the other, but it would have been an order by which, as a military man, it would have been his duty to abide at whatever hazard. I state, therefore, the fact, that whether the Hon. Member thinks the Marines are properly or improperly employed, they arc employed under the command of Lord John Hay, and are not under the authority of the Queen. • The only thing that is clear from what has passed this day, and on other occa sions, is that Hon. Gentlemen on the other side of the House have set their hearts on the success of Don Car los—( Hear)—and on the re-establishment of a despotic Government in Spain. Whether it is by being told that the decree of Durango is to be a little palliated ; whether it is by misrepresentation that the British auxiliaries in Spain are in a state of insubordination, mutiny, and star vation ; whether it is that we are told that the Carlists are traversing the whole country with ease, 'meeting with no impediment in the provinces ; whereas they have re turned without meeting the slightest encouragement during their long march ; to whatever part of the transactions in Spain Honourable Members opposite apply their remarks, the whole drift of their observations seem to be this, that the cause of the Queen of Spain is hopeless, that Don Carlos must succeed, and that Spain is destined not again to enjoy the advantages of consititutional freedom.—(Hear.) When Gentlemen are so anxious to repeat their opinions and their prophecies upon a subject, we are at least entitled to think that their wishes do not differ from their predictions.—(Hear, hear.) Now, I say, my wishes are contrary to these.—(Hear, hear.) I do most sincerely hope that the contest in Spain between con stitutional government on the one hand, and despotism on the other, may end in the success of the former principle. I do think that the wishes expressed by Hon. Gentlemen opposite, however they may suit those other views which they may entertain, having a bearing upon domestic ques tions—(Hear)—rather than upon foreign policy, arc not very congenial to the spirit of the Members of a British Parliament ; and that it is not usual on the part of Eng lishmen that such an interest should be felt, and such a lively anxiety should be expressed, in favour of a cause sul lied by such atrocities and crimes as have been recorded, and the object of which cause is to extinguish the liberties of a great nation.—(Cheers.) After a few words from Mr. BORTH WICK, Sir JOHN ELLEY said that he lamented that the Noble Lord should have taken that latitude 'of language as to attribute to Members on the Opposition side of the House particular motives for their conduct. He denied in lobo being actuated by any such motives. His opinion was that Spain should settle her own quarrels ; but if she could not do so, and other parties must interfere, then he would say let them interfere in a manner that was likely to be effectual. The Hon. and Gallant Member, after describing the gallant achievement of General Evans in assailing and taking the batteries of San Sebastian, asked what consequences had resulted ? They had incurred the sad misfortune of losing in killed and wounded 78 officers and 800 men, and he could assure the House that the ground occupied in consequence of that success was not in extent sufficient to feed a rabbit. He wished to ask the Noble Lord a question, founded upon information which he believed to be accurate, although he had not received a single letter from Spain since the Legion sailed. If he understood the Noble Lord last night, he had stated that neither General Evans nor his Legion were under any or ders from this country ? Now he had been informed that the inhabitants of St. Sebastian had proclaimed the Consti tution of 1812, and that General Evans had informed them that if they persisted in doing so, he would withdraw his Legion. He wished to know whether he had acted for himself, whether he had received any instructions from the British Government, or whether any direct information had been sent by him to this country. The Legion was now completely stale-mated. They had no move, either to the right or to the left, or to the front. What move, then, had they upon the board ? To retire by the fleet that took them there. Lord PALMERSTON—The Hon. and Gallant Gen tleman had asked for information respecting certain com munications which he supposed to have passed between General Evans and the inhabitants of St. Sebastian. He was really unable to give the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman any information on the subject. General Evans was an officer in the Spanish service, his communications were made to his own Government, and he (Lord Palmerston) was wholly unable to state their nature or effect.—(Hear.) Mr. GROVE PRICE - replied. The motion was negatived without a division ; and Lord PALMERSTON subsequently agreed to furnish extracts from the dispatches which had been referred to. BOROUGH JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION BILL. On the motion that the House gO' into Committee on this Bill, Mr. L. CHARLTON referred to what had passed on a former evening with respect to the first reading of this Bill. He protested against the House going into Commit tee upon it, as it had only been read once, the supposed first reading not having been of this Bill, but of a blank sheet of paper. The Hon. Member submitted no motion, and the House went into Committee on the Bill. On clause 2 (we believe) being put, Mr. CHARLTON said that, as it was his intention to give every opposition in his power to this Bill, he meant to propose, as an amendment to this clause, that the borough of Ludlow be exempted from its operation. After some conversation, and an understandin g c , being come to, that if th e r i g h ts of the i nhabitants of Ludlow should be prejudiced by the operation of the measure, a motion for inquir 3 on the subject would be entertained in the next Session, the Hon. Gentleman withdrew his amendment. That and the other clauses of the Bill were then agreed to, and the House having resumed, the report was received. On the question that the report be agreed to, Mr. WILLIAMS moved the insertion of words in the first clause, the purport of which were to exempt certain parts of the county of the city of Coventry from the opera tion of the Bill. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL opposed the amend ment, and it was negatived without a division. The Report was then agreed to, and the Bill read a third time and passed. The Borough Boundaries Bill, the Borough Fund Bill, STANDING ORDERS. The Marquis of LANSDOWNEM;ved the Order of the Day for the consideration of the resolutions with respect to the alteration of the Standing Orders. The Noble Marquis stated shortly the effect of the resolution, which was to give greater facilities to bringing in Bills, and greater uniformity in carrying them through.—Agreed to. The House then adjourned. MPERI PARLIAMENT. SOUSE OF COMMONS, Atrousr 16. AFFAIRS OF SPAIN. Mr. G. PRICE rose to call the attention of the House to the state of affairs in Spain. He never addressed the House under so great a degree of ex c it emen t.—(H ear.) The next matter was that thre was no third estate—no House of Lords—it had no connection with the old Cortes—it was an exotic in Spain, and would never take root in the country even watered as it had been by so much blood. If these speculators could gain but a half per cent. they cared little what suff er i n gs they inflicted up o n others. There were many who stak e d t h e i r all in these se curitieshis Majesty's Goy ern on the credGovernment ; and no 1 and the List of 4 te!,d'J respectively passed tbnugh a COmniittee; wefe rep6rted, read a tktd f..irtr ! and passed. timendtifehts to the Medical WifneS'xs , weft agreed I. The St. Clement's (Oxford) iliaffi4o;§ All was. read a third time and passed. SAVINGS BANKS. Lord fiLt STEIART moved, pursuant to the notice lib lidd giOn; ler 16ad.fu lithe in a Bill to irti:4 l ,6e4 dod elf tifig &ki' fl r A Aevings Bank Act. He was satisfied that the present Act feta.: ing to Savings Banks required amendment and explana- tion, but all he wished was to have the measure which he ttropestld paqred a single stage, in order that it might be printed, The CHANULLOIt of the EXCHEQUER could not Consent to the motion, because the introduction of such a measure would produce -great inconvenience to all classes of persons connected with Savings Banks through ea 016 Mr. HUML thought they should be very cautious how they took a step that might shake the confidence felt by these who had dealings with these banks. After a short conversation, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the etisting laws afrorded the fullest protection to all concerned in the managemont of sayings banks so long as they attended strictly to the discharge of their ditties. Lord DUDLEY STUART would be the last person who would wish to disturb the public confidence in these establishments ; but as those who conducted them gene rally acted from benevolent motives, he thought it right that as far as possible, they should be protected in the exercise of their duties. However, from the opposition with which the Bill was met, he would not proceed further at present and would accordingly withdrax it. POST OFFICE. Doctor BO WRING moved for a return showing in de tail the income and emoluments of the different Postmas ters and mistresses in Great Britain and Ireland ; also a • return of the names of those places in Great Britain and • Ireland in which penny-posts bad been established. Mr. HUME asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer I whether it was the intention of the Government to carry • into effect any of those reforms contemplated by the late excellent Bill sent up to the other House, on the subject of the Post-office. He deeply regretted the loss of that Bill, and feared that in consequence of its loss many beneficial changes proposed in the constitution of the Post-office could not be carried into effect. He believed that this was the first attempt on the part of the other House at interfering with Bills of this nature. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER deeply regretted the loss of the Post-office Bill, which, no doubt, would have been productive of much good if it had passed into a law. The failure of that measure was altogether unexpected by him. For his own part, he should not be lax in carrying into effect many alterations which he believed would be bene ficial in the Post-office. He understood, from the nature of the law regarding the constitution of the Post-office, that the Crown was not able to carry into effect many of the changes proposed in the Bill without the sanction of the Legis lature ; and therefore so many improvements could not be effected, as if the Bill had passed into a law. If the Post office had been constituted like the Stamps and some other Government departments, then many changes would at once have been made by the Crown, and lie should not have hesitated in making them ; but finding this to be the case he had held it to be his duty to apply to Parliament, and he was sorry to find that he had been unsuccessful. Although, then, they should not be able to effect all that was desired, still the exertions of Government would be directed to provide various improvements in the Post-office. Certain alterations could and would be made with regard to the Post-office packets and other departments. Dr. BOWRING stated that, notwithstanding the late convention, the circulation of British newspapers was ob structed in Belgium, not by any Post-office impediment, but by a fiscal regulation, which placed a tax on each newspaper. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that by a Bill which received the Royal Assent within the last few days, what the Hon. Member complained of would be put awend to. Mr. AGLIONBY moved for a return of the names of all the parishes to which the Parliamentary grants to Pro testant Dissenting Ministers were distributed. Mr. HUME wished to have the fullest information as to whom the money was given, as it might turn out that many places which received the money were able to sup port their own Clergymen. Mr. HINDLEY moved for a return of the corres pondence between Mr. Wilson, Secretary to the General Board of Factory Commissioners, and Mr. Stuart, one of the Commissioners, between the 23d day of July and the 4th of August, 1833. Mr. FOX MAULE had endeavoured to trace the cor respondence referred to, but had not been able to find it. Mr. HINDLEY said that the Commissioners were paid by the public, and they ought to be held responsible for the production of this correspondence. The motion we understood to be agreed to. PAROCHIAL ASSESSMENTS BILL. This Bill passed through Committee. NEWSPAPER STAMPS. Mr. HUME wished to know from the Chancellor of the Exchequer what steps the Right Hon. Gentleman intended to take in consequence of the omission in the other House of the clause in the Newspaper Stamp Duties Bill relative to the distinctive dies ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER appre hended that the clause had not been omitted in the other House. Assuming, however, that it had, he had taken measures to provide that there should be distinctive dies, and although, unless the clause had passed in the other House, no penalty could be recovered for the omission, still the end would be gained, as publicity would be given. COMMON FIELDS INCLOSURE BILL. Mr. A. PELHAM moved that the Lords' amendment he printed, so that Members may more clearly understand them. Sir J. BECKET said that all the amendments of the Lords were extremely liberal, and could be easily under stood in their present form. Mr. WAKLEY said the Bill was a very important one. It trenched upon the rights of the people, and he would give it all the opposition in his power. Mr. WARBURTON thought the Bill was misunder stood, and that Hon. Members confounded commons with common fields. Mr. BLAMIRE supported the motion for printing the amendments of the Lords. Mr. POTTER was much surprised that it should be said this Bill had in that House received considerable dis- cussion. Why, the only discussion it had got was at past one o'clock in the morning ; and those who arc in the habit of attending the sittings of the House to its close, well know the kind of hurried discussion which takes place after midnight ; and he would takethat opportunity of ear nestly hoping that next session no business should be en- tercet upon after twelve at night, under - an; pretence what ever.—( Hear, hear.) When the Bill was in Committee, he induced the Honourable Gentleman who had charge of it, to insert that no enclosure should take place unless two-thirds in number and value of the owners had consented. But, on a following occasion, at a late hour in the morning, the Bill was recommitted, and the part " number" was struck out, thus leaving the small owners no voice whatever.—(Hear.) On the morning of the 3d inst., after the great debate on the Irish Church question, although a dropped order, the promoters of the Bill, at nearly three in the morning, had it read a third time, and passed, in spite of the opposition of his Hon. Friend the Member for Salford. Very great alarm prevailed in the country respecting the Bill. All they now asked was that the Bill, with the Lords' amendments, should be printed. It was said the Lords had very much improved the Bill ; if so, let those who have paid attention to it see the altera tions. He should much prefer that the measure should lay over until next session. Mr. F. BARlNGthought the delay thus occasioned would be very inconvenient. Mr. LEADER would oppose the Bill in every stage. A desultory conversation here took place. The SPEAKER said that all this discussion was very disorderly. He had never known a more irregular one. If the business of the House was carried on in this manner the whole Session would not be sufficient to get through a single Bill. The question was, whether they should print. the Lords' amendments only, or the whole Bill as amended, and instead of turning their attention to this topic, they had all through been discussing the principle of the Bill. Mr. POTTER persisted in putting the motion, and the gallery was cleared f or a di v ision, but th ere b e i ng on l y 27 Members present, the House adjourned at 11 o'clock. ROUSE OF LORDS, AUGUST 16. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at five o'clock. Messengers from the Treasury and East India House presented papers, which were laid on the table. Mr. BERN 1L and others from the Commons brought up the Exchequer Bills Bill, the Copyright Bill, the Kings town Harbour Bill, and the Consolidated Fund Bill, which were severally read a first time. SLAVE-OWNER'S COMPENSATION. The Slave-owners Compensation Bill was read a third time and passed. SLAVE TREATIES. The Slave Treaties Bill was read a third time and passed. CREDITORS (SCOTLAND) BILL. The Creditors (Scotland) Bill was read a third time and passed. COMMON FIELDS ENCLOSURE BILL. The Common Fields Enclosure Bill, was, after some verbll amendments, read a third time and passed. Lord WHARNCLIFFE presented a petition from pa rishes in Dublin agilinist any enactment to prevent grocr_ selling spirit s o n Sundayv,l also a petition from Yo rkshi ? against the Inns and Ale-Honse Licensing Bill, and a P f)lion from Birmingham to the same effect. TANNARIES JURISDICTION. The Stantt a tk g Jurisdiction Bill was reported and or 41.64 to be engrossal, liISEMBODIED MILITIA. The Militia Vey Bill went through a Committee. COUNTY ELFeCTIONS POLLS BILL. _ r L era SHAFTESBURY move d th e third reading, u` the County Elections Polls Bill. to p L re .... - Lord WHAIINCLIFFE h a d an amendment pose, the object of which was to prevent any alteration Ftui_ ing made in the polling places in any county, witho ut d notice being given in two of the county newspapers. then The amendment was agreed to, and the Bill wa s read a third time and passed. GREEK LOAN. Viscount MELBOURNE had promised their Lqr when the Bill had been read a second time, that he should he plain as fully as he could the nature of its provisions on t t House going into Committee. The Bill was a most impor tal Fr anc one as regarded the foreign relations of England with Fr a ._, and Greece, and its object was to give effect to the stionar tions of a treaty entered into with these Powers. to Lordships were aware of the circumstances which le d the recognition of the independence of Greece, and the et: pointment of Prince Otho to the sovereignty of that conal f ;; They had objected to the course pursued by the Elop e r, of Russia, because they cooceived it was contrary to th e : o v. dependence of the Gre e k liation. Under these cir stances they proposed to Parliament the present P l oi which would enable his Majesty to guarantee so muc h the third instalment of the loan without Russia or Frarl . : as remained at present unpaid. It wa s i m p o ssible for II to go int o a s t a t emen t o f th e finances of the G A . ree o , nation ; but fr om th e s t a t emen t s h e h a d rec eived ir a ct those in wh om h o pl ace d grea t con fid ence w ith resp e ct to Greece--those who represented his Majesty in t , country—there was every reason to believe that her lin";; cial resources would be sufficient to repay the cb fl arb r a imposed upon h er by thi s conven ti on . Th e N o ble :4 concluded by moving that the Bill be read a second time. The Duke of WELLINGTON did no t i n t en d to offerany opposition to the measure.—(H ear .) H e s h o uld folk ); the example of the Noble Lord, a n d avo id ma ki n g the 13 t i o a pretext for entering into any discussion with respect the policy that had been pursued in r el a ti on to Turkey did he think it w o uld be d es i ra bl e th a t th e i r LordsleP t should be called i n t o suc h a di scuss i on a t th e Prel eil , period. At the same ti me th e t ransac ti on was o f such nature, that he considered it necessary to call their attere tion to some of the c i rcums t ances a tt en di ng it, an d to the consequences that w ere lik e l y t o f o ll ow f rom it, as being e' such a nature as would be inconvenient to the count r i; Any interference was muc h b e tt er carr i e d on by In ari 4 States than by an individual one, and that was t" a policy of the treaty in question. The first and see a i n ; instalments had been adv ance d by commo n aeeer but now that Russia would no t g i ve h er assent, be contended that the proper cours e wou ld h a ve been to to e duce Russia to consent by negoti a ti on . H a d that ours, been taken, it might have saved G rea t B r it a i n from be leb n a creditor of Greece, and pressing for money, w hc o f both France and Russia had the third part twenty millions of money to advance when t, lje r , pleased—it might suit their policy to bri ng it f o rward Wa e in we were pressing creditors. We had taken the first stt a going alone in this matter, and we could no t c omplain vriwa the other Powers followed our example. He lamer° ) that this country was placed in such a false position.---;g aa b r ir Lord MELBOURNE vindicated the policy pursued et England, and although he regretted that they had been obliged to d e p ar t from the policy pu r sued by Russia in t o present inst ance , yet he contended th a t they had b e compelled to do so. The House then went into Committee on the Bill. The Bill went through a Committee, without observaten MUNICIPAL OFFICERS' ELECTION Wit ; Viscount DUNCANNON move d th e secon d rea; of this Bill, th e o bj ect o f w hi c h was to su b st i tute a dcela;,o tion for cert a i n oath s h ere t o f ore requ i re d to b e made taking office, under the new Municipal Bill. of The Duke of WELLINGTON o bj ec t e d t o a Bill" this sort being introdu ce d a t so l a t e a p er i o d o f th e Sessief,: and moved as an amendm en t th a t th e Bill b e re ad a s" cond time that day three months. of Lord HOLLAND defe n d e d th e Bill, th e principle i , which had been already recognized in two other lar measures.—(Hear, hear.) It would independen'ot of that, afford a very great relief to certain sects . 4 Dissenters who conscientiously objected to taking the o ath at present required. Lord ROSSLYN opposed the Bill. After a few words from Lord WYNFORD, the Mara Of WESTMINSTER, the Archbishop Of CANTERBURY, 1111 the Marquis of BUTE, Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and th e H ou se cli* vided, when the numbers were— Contents 27 Non- Contents .. .... 43 Majority The Bill is consequently lost. On the motion of Viscount DUNCANNON , the sion Duties Bill an d th e P oor L aw Loans B ill were a second time. IRISH CHURCH TEMPORALITIES /31Liati; The Marquis o f LANSDOWNE , i n mov i ng the i readingreadin of this Bill, move d an amen d ment to t h e effect 0 , PI rf abolishi ng a ll a b so l ute s i necure appo i ntments o f Vi ca rs C l i c , ral, and o f ves ti ng t h e property i n the han d s o f t h e c e aiastical Commissioners. The Bishop of ARMAGH expressed his satisfaction 'IS the amendment of the Noble Marquis. 034 The amendment was then agreed to, and the Bd i read a third time, and passed. CORPORATE PROPERTY (IRELAND) Bl Ld a lj t . o Lord LYNDHURST sa id th a t w h a t h e now propose rd do was absolutely to prevent the alienation of cor porate p eer perty during the whole interval that would elapse betvie to the pre sen t ti me an d nex t S ep t em b er , so as t o g i v e tinlA Parliament to introduce any measure which it might tb „ r at proper. When h e s p o ke of a b so l u t e a li ena ti on , of e e " Av e it would be necessary to mak e some reserva tion to 7 0 , all bona fide contracts made before that particular 3 .,c1 which it was thought necessary to mention in the Bill, t he all transactions necessary to carry on the business °l f at e Corporation. He intended to prohibit absolutely all al' tions of personsl or real prop e rty of th e Corporations hs the Ist of September next year. The course whic h " proposed was this. The clause itself was not a little C O plicated, and when his amendments were engrafted nerd it, it would, at the first view, appear m ore comPliel a he but, when it was considered, lie thou g ht th a t it wcs a , be se simple enough. He, therefore, pr o p ose d t o put amendments, and take the discussion on the Report. to also hoped that the Noble Visco un t wou ld no t oh.ie e ' o ci striking out certain expressions i n th e pream bl e a nd se c clause, which expressed an opi n i on as to t h e con duct Corporations. ord er The Bill was then rep or t e d, an d t h e amen d men ts or to be printed. THE PRISONERS' COUNSEL BILL' on Upon the Order of the Day for taking into considerati the Commons' reasons and amendments upon this t , ( 1•• Lord LYNDHURST moved that their LordsbiPs t el here to their amendments. In the Bill as it came fr omm e ol Commons there was a p rov i s i on w hi c h gave to the Col ooy for the p r i soner th e l ast wor d , not on l y i n cases of fe.sion and misdem eanour , b u t a l so o f hi g h treason an d misP ri eho t of treason. Now, when the subject came before ; 0 0i House on a former occas i on , t h at c l ause h a d b e en very I use ; discussed, and, be it remem b ere d, too , i n a ver y full HO bo and their Lordships had then decided that it ought Toe expunged from th e Bill. Th en , h e th oug ht, looking a ole present state of the House, that it was not very rcas? n ti of to call upon them now to enter upon a re-considera tio, he the clause. He was highly favourable to the object.of'of Bill, which was to place persons charged with the er in ' ot her felony in th e same s i tuat i on as persons charged w ith bad offences. The usual proceeding was, that those ;Or r t he to make out the affirmative were allowed a TVP I Y But le t purpose of explaining and setting matters right. ,T be in; the House mark th e i ncons i s t ency w hi c h t h e y we."' nos° troducing into the measure if they consented to the PreP t iiis of the Commons ; for the Commons had excepted fr ani t heir clause the cases of treason and misprision of treason ; bY oo nrr amendment therefore, in cases of felony and misdatn ea . or d; they allowed t o th e C ou nsel for the p r i soner the last r t he but in those cases i n w hich, by the l aw as it n ow stall" co eS largest benefit was conferred upon the prisoner, viz. , 6 0 of treason and misprision of treason, the House of C° rn to o' had not in s i s t e d upon their propositi on . B u t there v Ir s o use' ther inconsistency in the amendment s o f th e other ho le They had allowed Counsel the last word in cases of o ur is meanour. Now there were many cases of misdernear c ivil which it was optional to proceed b y prosecu tion or 'l a y of action. Now, suppose he proceeded Ibr assault, by W be en' prosecution, then the Coun se l f or t h e d e fe n d an t Would ° po o titled to the last word ; but if he proceeded by action the very same matter, upon the same evidence, to esirn ta by the very same facts, then, according to the view taiTjaat the House of Commons, the Counsel for the defe001(1 was not to hav e th e l ast word. For those reaso ns ho jtO humbly submit that that House ought to adhere b" amendments upon this Bill. The LORD CH ANCELLOR regrette d very lll io ti o e s il, the cou rse ta k en by his Noble and Learned F riend 0 0 00 much as h e was satisfied, from the course taken clse , t he,' that if th e i r Lordships' amendments were adopteu rore d• • would oc cas i on t h e loss of a Bill very gene rally aPP os eed one of which his Noble and Learned Friend had eq_ A i n g , his app ro b at i on, an d h a d even move d it s second . r,e' r wa s The qu es ti on , th en , f or t h e i r L or d s hips to con s olt_ec " o , or wheth er th ey would adopt the Bill as it came t or reject it. H e was s t rong ly i n favour of the clause 0