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t p J 1 HOUSE OF COMAIONS. )JO :),NY, DEC. 19. or what fell from the Noble StctlTAßr of STATE, and adverted w the 'necestity which existed for the explanatory Bill dm} under consideration. Earl FIIzwILLIMI spoke in father ex" plana. The LORD CHANCELLOR argued that nothing which fell fr, , tri the Noble Earl militted against the passing of the Bill then before the House—The greater part of what his Lordship had advanced, went to points Which had no connection whatever is ith.the Bill, which was of art explanatory and a very liinitc,i nature. He way free to confess his cl;,approbotihn, in certain paints• of view, of p-cceedin„as of this kind : he liked not Expla. n dory Ad : after Explanatory At, and expnsi. ton :fter exposition. These considerations - should be left, as far ,as possible, to the construdion and explanation of those in whose province it was regularly to explain thein ; he'alluded Principally, to His Majesty's Law' Officers. With respet to the measure regularly under consideration, the Noble and Learned' Lord coincided with, and enforced what 'had fallen from the;Noble SECRETARY' of SNATE. Earl FITZWILLI Afil, sin additional explana. obscrvethat his objea 4as not to resist the prdgress of the Bill ; as far as it went,' he rather approved of it; butlieCorigidered it as by no means stifficienily . efliCacious'orextensive,' and in-that view Ite thought it tii4ceptibk of amendment. -• Ths .LORD CHANCELLOR then put theques ' tinn, and after a few words :between ihim and the respeCting the point- of Order on. that proceeding; the Bill was read .» third time and pass. ed ;..and a- Message immediately sent to the-Coin , mons acquainting- them, that' their Lordships had agreed to the 'Bill, with certain. Amendments. Their. Lordships -then after disposing of some routine business adjourned during pleasure. After a short., interval Mr. SARGENT, accompa. nird by several Members, returned the Volunteer Corps Regulation Bill front the Commons, tvlid had ,agreed so their .Lordships' amendments.. This beingulotified to the House, an adjournment till to,lnorrow immediately:took place. . A Peison from the Inlivaor Generalof the Army ni Reserve, brought ol) tlw . G en erai R eturn o f t h e 'Number of Men raised tor tlie Royal Army of Re. serve op to December. • .Ordeted to be A Person iv to he African Company presented some Accra - mu; from that Company.--Ordered to lie oa the Mr. 1)P. ZIT ; resented a Petition From the Prisoners cc.ntineti for Debt in lianc'aster - Gaul,. Fraying for iriief. . ,e(ii0110 'STANLEY ail& Mr. TIERNEY. present. ea similar Pctitioili (*COMM the Prikmers . 2cdrtfined Er Debt iit•Chester C;4461, anti • ,Oftleved to' lie on the Table; .A.oeio) Writ was. 'Ordered fnr the 'Boton7h of Clrinarthen in the room of J. G: PHIrLi.II3; 'Esq. - • r A Pdr;on Item the Excise brought up an Account 4.1 die quantity of Table''Beer Beer which duty from J'anitary tn:l:6ll6Di 1803. !the -Report of The Committee of Supply respe6t. Siirricgral , , - eil for ,the eniourageinent' of the .-Nlaotita(tUrel in Irelanir; brougift up and agreed to. • • --trz-Isti MYTHS.- . 1 ' Me. CO Rl' he rose for the purpose of a N,oice relative to the Ways and Means Of ~ ! holit:. it was not usual to go into the Waysand i\lea'ais of Ireland previous to . tlieChristrnas recess, he 'therefore now wily wislaal to give Notice of his inteitiontipon that fadtieel, and the rather because the military dot it,!, 4:4 man of the I r i s h M em b ers remitted it impo3:Mde for them y at present .tu attend their dary in Parliament. The Notice he, now gave reliittl to the Con a olidation of - the subsisting p , ,ri'Drities,. and some of the Inland Duties 'land, 'A Schedule of those Duties had been laid be ro:qtament List Session, and . wiia ;igt*Ced to, but corn.iderations, particalarly a wish to give the rtiir6t possible time to ',Vlereliatas for the itives.., rigtir ion of subject, 'induced the postponetnent,of further preeeegogs upan it. A similar Schedule c,‘ , o 7ef t .lb e 1 ttlr tiefore ?Orftirnent titer the . Recess. Help;ped The Houle would excuse him for being r,p2cial in his Notice, because he Was ,anxious rii ti It tillon)(1 he well urtdcrstopd initel9nd, para.. cularly by the Merchaors.. The biltie,s t referred to . ere ptinCipallY upon Ft'ireign Articleg,either im por:red re4tly into I reland,or through Oreat Britain, bilt ;la ct,Or'etpienee.orthe 3tipulations in . the An of unjon; i t poli any articles the . prptltice.of 'Great I;rit an,. `l' he Duties now payable on FOqign Articles , were prtnelpinty those Orld , :!!he'4o_tkqep. 1,1. cap.. 4, the 4151' Gen..,111. c.v. 43 . . which , Ilack‘SiP4t..tKen ; cor.tinurd, and the 421 Geo. lll..eap. 1 17. Put the coriAtid.t;ioo w o cot to be trade. stri4ly ,ansi, pre, cieely upon the duties as they now, stood, because in all whine there were fraetions of a penny, the fraEtion would be rejeflecl, antithe.duty brought ro the next integ , ,r either above or below, In the . forhier ease the revenue would be increased a little, and in the latter case it wonld be ditninished a Huh. . In s'Orrie easel certain Dudes impose4.hy 42 Geo. ILI. cap., 117., or 3 1 per cent.. on imports, and or let cent, on exporla, would be extended by this schedule to Tast lndia goods. 'f he Drawbacks now allowed on the export, of foreign arricles,So tnreigncountries were those under Ole Alts of the„, 4 0/ 1 ) ant i - 41st C,4e o , IU. the, Duties under the 42d GeO:111 - . cap. tr 7. not now drawn back, were by the Schedule ag voted, drawn back. He had but one more remark to trouble the House ,with—by, the 40 .1 h G e t ) , 111. passed in the last Session ...of the Irish Porli:onent, the DutieS were. laid. upon muss arm kits , valorem, and - the additional Duty impost.. et'. 'ty the ~ad Geo. HI. cap. 4.17., waa.a rated . Duty, or the reverse, which of ,course caused con.: siderabie trouble to the Merchants,, for whose ac. coniiitodation,„ . and in' order to facilitate it would now be proprised that the Duties under these, flits ,horrid he ,retlueed to one and the same . deno, tninat ion, viz,' eider p rated Duty or an nil 1:•efo. 1,71 Z I.)ory, according to the nature of the ar.ticle. Tht St i iledole wln ch he `should Propose after the . l, I?xcus:t would altnottt in every instary:e lie the same as that of last Session, yet he wisltecl to he distinEtly understood, that it might vary from it, because where alterations were auggestd, either by tl*,! Merchants themselves or by others, the good seek - . of which was apparent, they would undoubtedly - lie attended to. Jo the course of the last Session of Parliament he had given notice that he should pre.; pare, for the consideration of Parliament, a measure in the shape of a Property Tax for Ireland—lse did . not mean at present to make any observation upon' that subjea, except to say that he should endeavour to prepare a measure of that sort, and to submit it to Parliament soon after the Recess. He had only further to add, that he should propose that the Da ties.should be permanent, in order to meet the per. manent charges of Ireland,, and not annual as they had heretofore been. A message from the Lords informed the House their Lordships had agreed to the Volunteer Ex emption Amendment Bill, with several amendments, to which they desired the concurrence of the House.' Mr. Secretary YORK II moved that the amend. ments be now read. The first amendment was read. Mr. Secretary YORKE said, that on the reading of the Bill and the amendment, it would strike any one that this amendment was necessary, for the Bill as it went from 'the House up to the other House of Parliament, exempted persons accepted and enrolled as Volunteers from serving in the Militia, but had no provision on being ballutted to serve in the Mi litia before they became Volunteers, and this amend. ment was therefore necessary, in order that persons ,who had been ballotted for the Militia should be obliged to do so if they should happen to quit their Volunteer Corps; that they, should claim no ex. emption-on account of having been Volunteers, 'but that such exemptions should continue only while they remained Volunteers, for which reason he trusted the House would. have no sohjeaion to the amendment, The E AKE R observed upon the point of order, - that the usual course was to read all the amendments over once before any discussion took place upon them, and that the season for observation was, re. gularly speaking, on the culeition of second read. roc s ur of agreeing to the, .amendments. This wa s the more necess a ry to b e amerced, because by it the House could see the bearing of the amendments iltogether, before it entertained any discussion upon them. The amendments were then read, they were all ver6,ll except the first, of which the substance is already stated. On the question for the second reading, Air. W/NDHAiII took an objenion to the House at ' , resent in this !natter. He said it was usual to adjourn the consideration of all amendments made by the Lords in any Bill sent to them from that House, in order to give the Members time to on. derstand it. He did nut profess to understand thil amendment, thus brought down and read upon the sadden. He saw no harm in postponing the con. sideration of It for 2+ hours. He said, that an idea had gone abroad,' whether true or not he did not pretend to say, that the amendments made by the LOrds in this Bill were such as the House had rruct run ail to receive and acquiesce in. Ale dared to say that was not iskeiy so tie itic Ouse upon such an occasion as this, but that was a point, however well assured, it was impossible ,for, the House to know ; for which reason he thought this subjfn ' , ugh to stand over until to-morrow : this he pressed the more particularly, as many Gentle. men, had wine away under an idea that this Bill would' not have been brought from the House of Lords ,to-night ; and that if these amendments were now agreed to, these Gentlemen would be depriVed of the opportunity' of delivering their sentiments upon . them. -• Mr. Secre tary YORKE said, that if he thought there wa s any amendment which required much con. sideration, he should wish it to he deferred to give every . Gentlemadsv ho wished it an opportunity of delivering his sentiments upon it, but there really was nothing of that kind. It certainly wag not difficult to understand the first amendnient, as be had already stated it, ant as to all the' rest they were merely, verbal. With regard to the idea of the amendmenls being material, and of its hay. ing 40 gone forth to tlic , Publie, that was one of the inconveniences which 'resulted from permitting, the publication of the 'proceedings of Parliament ; under which some persons had the audacity, in dire . defiance of the standing orders of the How, not only to mirepresent the proceedings of the two, Houses of Parliam..nt, but sometimes :41134 to invent outlet which created great confusion in the . PUblic mind. A clause was proposed by,a Noble L or d i n t h e oth er i louse of Parliament; by way of amendment to the Bill, which amendment was now before the fiouie ' ,and which went only to make up far an over s ight of the I louse of Commons, by which it was provided that it' my Volunteer should quit his CorpsOac shOuld h,g,gt.r be allowed to avail himself of the.exemptions to, which Volunteers were. entitled . ;. that. was 411—a thing too /lain for dii. eussiph. Mr.'CALCßAAM:proiessed to hare no wish to ,procrastinate this business,•but he could not help thinking it was , quite ,- neceSsary that this stneriti, mint bliould be inquired into, which could not be 'done unless it .was postponed , until to-morrow at least. He was sariefied that a much more respeelable attendanCe, in' point of numbers, would have taken place in the• House it it had been thought that these 4 mendmentswete to have been proposed to be agreedg to to-night. lie knew of no reason why the House might not take this matter into consideration to. morrow. I:1,p yits,,ptlig sure none had been alicsind, The C11.4N044401: of the EXC I said, that those.Gentiernen who hmi heeird the Amendment and .1 trended to the Bill, who thought that it'only went to supply the deka of , that Bill as it, went firm that I louse, would agree to the Amend. rnent. B'ut if Jny Gentleman in the House would' have the goodru. , c to attend to the Amendment while it., was - read from the Chair, and then would declare, as,a Metuber of that Hou'se, that he did not under. stand the Antendmenr perfedly, not only w)uld it be matter of justice ,to allow further titne to c4osider it, and therefore he should not oppoge it, but he should move for further tilne for, that Ott pobe, Lord FOL.K.:ESToNE-obserrsd, that scveri;l4,gn. tlemen who he believed intended to he present at the discussion of these Amendments, bath gone away ;ttider an impression that these Amendments were 11OS' JO be ptoposed to be agreed to until en-morrow. Hie Lordship said, he understood it to be the gene ral praftice of that House not to take Amendments made by the Lords into consideration until tle next day after they were brought down. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER de_ sired the SPEAKER to react, first the Bill as it went up to the House of Lords, anal then the Amend.' ments made by their Lordships. Which beingtigne, The SPEAKER took leave to observe, that al ' though Sometimes Amendtn?nts madeby the Lords were taken into consideration on a subsequent day, yet it was extremely frequent for the House to agree to Amendments made by the Lords on the same day they were brought clown. One of the Amend. ments had been already explained :—as to the rest, they were merely verbal. It Wal for the House to say whether it would consider them now, or defer them to a future day. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the aubstantial Amqndineit now before the I-louse was only to carry into ellen the Manifest intention of 'the House, but which intention had been imperially expressed. Here he went over the Clause, again, and observed, that the Bill as it ori ginally stood, only afFelled Volunteers who should be ballotted, i&c. but did not provide 'for the cases of 'those who might have been ballotted and exempted on account of being Volunteers, but, who ought to have such Exemptions longer than they should serve as Volunteers. Mr. WiNDIL4II.I said, that the' iniportance of the subjea was unquestionable. The propriety of 'adjourning the discussion of it was to him obvious. He professed himself incapable of understanding this •Amendment,ort the sudden, at least of being sure he Understood it, Gentle Men had gone away under the idea that it was not to be discussed to-night, and 'he-thought it was little more than matter of course to, defer it until to-morrow. He was really ignorant of the possible. effed of certain words being intrq. duced into a Bill like this, and his ignorance strengthened his argument in this case, for it was impossible without tin to remove it. There was no necessity of thus gding backwards and forwards in a hurry with Bills; and therefOre on these grounds, with every reason for the Adjournment, and none against it, he should think the House would not proceed on this matter now. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that by the words Substantial Amendment, he did not mean that which the Right Hon. Gentleman who spoke last, might suppose—he meant it only by 'Way of distinaiOn front those Amendments which were merely- verbal. Mr. CILES said, he considered the Bill as now amended by the Lords, to be precisely what the House intended it to be when they passed it, but froth' an oversight had omitted to express, with pre.; vision, for which reason he supported the Amend. Meth . , and saw no reason for delaying the considera. Lion , of it. . . Mr. C ALCR AFT adhered to his former opinion upon this subject, on account of Gentlemen Living left the House under an idea that the subject was not to he discussed to-night. As to the Amend. tent being only what the Moose intended to have expressed, he did not think it much to the credit of the House, to have sent into the other House a Bill which did not express what was meant by its au. thors—an additional reason for not being too hasty a second time. lie alledged that the House would have done snore wisely by printing the Bill, and giving more time for its discussion than it had done, The Lords had ordered it to be printed, and wisely so, for such measures should have as ample a discussion as possible. In ore word, unless some better reason than any he had yet heard, was given for agreeing to these Amendments to-night, he, should think it his duty to object to that course. Mr. WINOHAM moved, That this H c ouse do now adjourn. The Gallery Wad then cleared, but the House not divide. The Amendments made by the Lords were then agreed to, and:the House adjourned at a quarter be.; lore six, till tO.lnOrrow. 4 • To CORRESPONDENTS. rkoVgh aye corlcur in m.rny of the tritinwrlS extressed 4 an OLb Orrzcar. of the Ltrix lo the Rigs, Hon. WttLIAN PITT, there a nraoffir pot ti his Leiter tyleich .1.. t diem Mfr itrong.for pi4llAulon. r ) 1 4A 14.,5. DVS, ♦Rtivtd, Flamburgh z ... .. 9 PRICE OF . STOCKS, THIS DAV AT TWILLVit O'CLoCK, COIISON S 6 a;i ;1 Red. si Omidum 5 dis• THE SUN. 110L164 SALSA/II lousat LONDON, I,E C E 111 II 20, 1303. WE received yesterday evening the Path Papers to the 7th inst. anti the Dutch joarwals of the 13th. The former are, as they have been fur some time past, extregiely barren of intelligence. The Mouiteur has published officially an account of the, last appearance of Count MA:icor,. at the Consular Court ; it does not vary in substance from thit which we had previously received. The Dutch Papers represent the prepirations fur 'the Invasion as going on with the greatest anivity; and some of theta venture to assert that the despe, rate attempt , will be made before the end of the present month, We ate really tired , of repeating a!1 th'e 4 p e , culations and rumours upon this sul'ica• T he French rcob,ibly trill c ome as soon as they can, and we are ready to receive them, let them come when the] will. The Convention betwe= France and No! land, respeaing the French" Troops which are to bi kept in the pay of the latter Republic, affords an other strong proof of the abjea state of vassalage into which Holland has fallen, and from which i seems the determination of France that she shall noi escape., The I)utch,Jre_ not only bound by thi Treaty to suffer an army of 18,04n0 Frenchmen a _remain in their Territar4es for the purpose of keep ing them in subjeaion, but they are also bound ti pay thena.- By our Rover Letter i 4 will he seen that annthet • of the Frerich Gan-boats has been captured . by one of our Cruizers, the Basilisk Gun.brig, and that even with the benefit of British seamanship, it could not be made to keep above water till it reached British Port. We rejoice that by the vigilance and good condua of the Centinel at Dover Pier-lieu), . the Hies of the men who were put on board the French boa: were so providentially saved. , . . YIITI it DAT the Funds experieniedis rise done and srhalf pet Cent. in consequence of a li/ 017 % sensation being excited by two different repert 4 one that a- considerable dissatisfaCtion had `hewn itself in different parts of France, in'yessogaen ce of some new Consular regulatims,,irriposing's .Duty. - on Flour ; and the other, 'that overtures of &. pacific nature had been received from that Country.--It is . i ie was as actually did arrive in town' confidently asserted that . Mr. Puts' som, Son to the American yesterday morning, he having left Pa ris so late as Saturday last. President, tawhie bearer Passport a po frompartssoagf t h e pa s e the FrenPerh°vlde Government, ititas atd, w ntl e aeo i n th . veyance to Havre, from whence he was furnished to England.. overture It ivitshaich idt i h s a: e h o e t r v t:. ; . to "haire been made. .. ..,,, e ci We‘vi with hr America tOid, however, mae ;h e ; i t . e sc r r a ; .we : think it our duty to state, ba: we do not apprehend that either of them ligilli, ll . e ": in consequence of the eerron nica. - r t : r o ge m' u l s :ul e ic :s pu hse c n r o c tioe h n ip a n ioe s e e e r et s t: tions from France. That Mr. Js!" 6elli Mai, r°• have arrived from Paris, we think hie? P babte ; but he may have other businep here, besides, _ being_ the bearer of . pacific Overtures ' from the Chief Consul, and we think we can pretty nearly guess what the nature of that bug sinus may be. We know that the ,Purchasea Francemoney for tn be i paid by : if t e imAmmeedriicasicntyGpouv ezr i e to t .::: —that is, that F ra nce is willing,, materially reduced CO give a large bonus for ready nitsney. America herself, unable to furnish it, has views of raising it in this Country; and it is even said, that an , Cali. nent monied man in the City has already entered be tr ue, it is easy to conceive that a dir. tinguished American Agent may come from int° engagements for that purpose, Should thiS Paris hither With all the facilities which tils French Government can furnish him. pvety that can be st at ed upon this thing - subject, howe ver, mull be merely upon eanjeaure and repor t ; vie can only say, that we think any thing more likelY than nobly the First Consul should, at the p resent mongers be making pacific overtures to our Government. 1 . .......---- Ye"cal being the next Monday before Cht4sta terdsty, for the maTs'haecc:::sneg.ofto annual custom, of poor persons received the IC, tra's Bounty of p. each, et the Almonry Office, Whiteh all ' pi: C ur pc T s e in nol o ir r s i rsteewpcia:ciiitvceindn:ndobst O ci ikiltl:to:::::79^ a c ertain number -. .lunteer Exettiption Ili., frottt the lords. - h The Ape q 4 the as ri e ta e el f : s vbi haear wards ix, been t y e Volunteer Exemption Bill by the t ' us f ° f the Papers. It merely goes to this, d ist ft ii eil, teer, instead of being exempted from beiNl,,s—ifiuttit or , Ann)? -4 Reserve. If he is baFlotted lit ei tOrg quits e p t e thed Corps e r o v i i n which t in h g e he • vt ivh a s:ll-111--aell ber,. the ballot then immediately attach t o his 4 and he Must either' serve or find a'sublillgte• , - Count Woltwizow, the Russian Ambal r ie . ' Co -s&iti to have had interview* with the Atialiralli . • ~Board, almost daily, for souse . time lat*to, sada o.- .. -- On Thunday the 29th inst. the 420014 Vgih in tiers- are - to - have-their Colours presented e° the : by the Countess of HARRINGTON in Ranelasht Proxy for ' Halt MAIIISTY. Th e'• 'NUNS 4- WAt,ss's Box is preparing for the reception of ; ... I.a.lyship. There will be a performance o f Sacr e . , Music on the occasion. - Oct Saturdaylast , land Volunteer Infantry, commanded by Sir ItAtril ; , .1411,a ANKE t Bart. went into quanta there, and are . to do eaual ditty for tree week', when theY t o the first division of the Sondari.% be succeeded by the s econd `division, for the lir' . period. , .. ,- teer Foresters, commanded by C. HOAR OAR L ANY! Oct Silturclay,morning:laist, the,:rorkshire V010..t" Esq. were inspefted at Sutton on/ t4e;Fotest.,,. _l)4 Lieut. Col. Pvt.t.t toe, one of the.inspeeting )1(4 Officers of the Northern Diittiel, wilo, "P r t,,, 'much approbation at the appearance ana *Will" — and, degree of discipline of the Co . rp d ag fi Last, week' the a tilth Infantry march eo route I sm' g_ ~_,,__Le'es, in t hree divisions, on their . "PrshafP to the new Barracks at Ilsilshatilo