The Sun. — London, England, 1839-04-24 00:00:00

EVENING EDITION. Navy Board, not less then eight years ago. 1 H. had seen the experiments of Mr. Harris, and I was bound to admit that they were very satisfactory in I appearance. And if it should turn out from the evi— &nee before the Committee that the invention was ef. ficient—for that was in fact the only question to he in vest.4lted, ti.-re being no doubt about the two other poin!s—he was sure that ne consideration of expense would prevent its adoption—(Hear, bear) —most im portant a. 3 it was for the preservation of our ships, and of will more valuable lives.—( Hear.) The tenour of the reports made by officers of the Admiralty, however, had not been favourable to the invention ; indeed, there had been hut one supporting it, and that was the one which had been mentioned by the Noble Lord. The present Admiralty had not been aware of what was going on respecting the discontinuance of the in vention.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. WARBURTON said in his opinion it was greatly to be marv, lied at that in this present scientific age a Committee should berequiredon thesubject. Surely natural philosophy had made so far way into the Admiralty that they knew the value of means for preventing the damage done by lightning,.—(Hear, hear.) As to this there could be no doubt. The only question was as to the proper means to be adopted for carrying the same into effect. He considered that it would be super fluous to go into the investigation of a subject that was known to every body. He thought when the Noble Lord had got his Committee, it would be as well that it should refrain from sitting for some time, in order that the Admiralty might make inquity into the sub ject. Admiral ADAM said the real question was, whe ther suitable condarctors could be made so securely as not to be subjected to flaws which would render them rather the cause of danger than safety ; that was a question that had not vet been settled to the satisfac tion of the Board of Admiralty. Sir ROBERT PEEL thought that the House ought not to interfere with the Executive Government, in matters of this sort : the better course would be for the Admiralty to undertake the inquiry, and appoint a commission for that purpose, consisting of four men of science. That would prevent the establishment of a precedent that might be very inconvenient.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. C. WOOD said the course proposed by the Right lion. Baronet was that adopted in the case of Kyan's patent. Lord ELIOT said his only reason for bringing this subject forward was, that he might have a scientific and satisfactory investigation, and would willingly agree to the suggestion of the Right Hon. Bart. the Member for Tamworth.—(Hear, hear.) With reference to a remark that had been made by the Under-Secretary for the Admiralty, he would observe that when experiments were made, they ought to be made under the superin tendence of the inventor.—( Hear, hear.) The motion was then withdrawn. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Sir R. PEEL inquired what course the Noble Lord intended to take on Monday, with respect to the busi ness before the House ; and when he would bring on the Canada Lord J. RUSSELL proposed to go on with the Ja maica Bill on Monday next—that would, perhaps, take the whole of the evening ; and he would give notice, probably on Friday, on what day he would bring on the Canada Bill. JOINT-STOCK BANKS. —.- Mr. HUME gave notice, that to-morrow evening he would ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer what course he meant to take with respect to Joint-Stock Banks ; because he (Mr. Hume) had deferred a motion relative to the Bank of England, in expectation that the Right Hon. Gentleman would make some statement regarding tkose Banks. SCOTCH UNIVERSITIES. Sir JAMES GRAHAM inquired when the Report of the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the Scotch Universities would be laid upon the table of the _House ? . t n Air. FOX MAULS said the Report relating to Glasgow was now in print, and would be laid upon the table as soon as it was ready. MANNING OF THE NAVY. Sir E. CODRINGTON said that the question he Was about to bring forward was one of great public importance, and attention had been recently drawn to it because it had been brought before the• House as a party question—(Hear,hear)—andhe hoped that those gentlemen who felt doubtful as to the propriety of his new bringing it before the House would recollect what they had said on that occasion. He should, at the conclusion of his speech. move the following resolu tion :—" That the system of reducing the crews of her Majesty's ships, in time of peace, below the number re quired to make them efficient in time of war, is inju rious to the best interest s of the service ; and that it is the opinion of this House, that all her Majesty's ship, when actively employed, or about to quit the British Channel, should in future have but one complement of men, whether in peace or war." In discussing the Navy Estimates many observations had been made as to the necessity of keeping the,Navy in an efficient state for war purposes. Each side of the House had ac cused the other of deteriorating the Nary ; and he be lieved what each side had said of the other. The R;ght Hon. Bart opposite had said a great deal about the number of ships which he had launched, and various other things which he had done. He (Sir E. Codrington) verily believed that that Right Hon. Ihronet had conduced, rather than otherwise, to the de nefficient crews. Captain Broke, who took the Chesa peake, always destroyed his prizes rather than weaken his force, as he knew that he must depend solely on the efficiency of his crew. When his (Sir E. C.'s) ship was paid off at that tine, he had been ordered to select '2O of his crew to be sent on board the Endymion. He did so ; and what was the consequence of the Endymion being efficiently manned ? She met the American fri gate Prei•ilelt and captured her, although she was a larger ship. Captain Berkeley hod pressed this subject on the attention of the Admiralty ; his colleagues agreed with him ; and because the Under Secretary chose to put cut a hook supporting a contrary opinion, the landsman's opinion ; and Captain Berkeley answered hirn, that officer was dismissed. This was not the case with the Army ; they. were not governed in this way ; nor would the Navy, if they possessed the same influence as the Army. They should have at their head a person unbiassed by party, as the Army had. His conviction was, and he believed it was the convic tion of every naval man, that no ship should go out of the Channel for foreign service without being fully manned. If any ship was lost in battle, or upon a lee shore, in consequence of their paltry savings, he should feel bound to say that it was no saving at all ; the great point of importance, in his opinion, was the saving of the lives of the men. It was utterly useless sending out ships at all unless they were properly manned. He had been induced to bring forward his motion because he fully believed from the statements they would fully concur with him in its necessity. If, however, he was deceived in that, it was the fault of Hon. Members, and not his. He could not, however, believe that any Member would be so false to the sentiments he had ex psersed of doing justice to the Navy. The Hon. and Gallant Member concluded by making the motion of which he had given notice. Lard INGESTRIE seconded the motion. He was delighted to have an opportunity of agreeing with the Gallant Admiral on this subject, although differing with him in politics. He had had the honour of sailing under the Gallant Officer, who had led him to victory, and he had no doubt he would do so again. There appeared to be on this subject what in a nautical phrase would be called a lull ; he was glad, however, that the Gallant Admiral seemed determined to change that lull into a sharp breeze.—(Laughter.) He could see no reason, looking at the state in which this country was placed, almost in a state of war with Canada, America, and India, why her ships should not be properly manned. What was the state of the officers of the Navy ? He would venture to say such as would not be tolerated by any other nation in the globe, and the men, in coi;se quence of the vessels being so indifferently manned, had their work greatly increased ; they were deprived of their regular rest, and had very inadequate pay. To show the state of the Navy of this country, as compared with others, lie need only advert to a circumstance that had occurred to himself some time since. He was on the coast of Malaga, alongside an American corvette ; she had twenty guns, and the vessel in which he was carried twenty-eight, yet that corvette had forty-six more men than he had.—(Hear, hear.) He should like to know if the Navy of this country were allowed to remain in the state in which it was at present, where sailors would be got ready cut and dried in the event of a war. He thought that in manning the navy the Admiralty ought to look to the future as well as the present ; be considered that it would be well to introduce a system of apprenticeship in the Navy.— (Hear.) He trusted that the Gallant Officer would not only press his motion to adivision but would carry hispoint. There ought to be more officers, as well as more men, sent to sea, and he was sure the country would cheer fully agree to the supplies necessary for this increase, whether in ships or men, for the Navy had still strong claims upon the gratitude of the country. He felt strongly upon this subject, and had great pleasure in seconding the motion of the Hon. and Gallant Admiral. Mr. WOOD protested against the introduction of questions connected with the naval and military es tablishment in such a manner. He had hoped from the opinions that had been expressed before in the House against it, that he should not have had again to complain. The Right Hon. Baronet opposite com plained that the Noble Lord opposite said it was wrong,' and then he went into details.—(Laughter.) This was not a question of censure on the Board of Admiralty, but the Hon. and Gallant Admiral and the Noble Lord called upon the House of Commons, whether competent or not, to condemn the system that had been adopted by every distinguished officer that sat at the Board of Admiralty daring the peace, and there had been practised by all the experienced officers at the Board, from Lord Howe and Lord St. Vincent to Sir Thomas Hardy and Admiral Dundas, all of whom recommended reduced es .ablishments in time of peace. He thought the House of Commons should not be called upon to pro nounce its opinion in this manner. His Hon. and Gallant Friend had said, that if the Captains of the Navy were referred to, they would be of his opinion. It was well known that Captains always wanted more men, whether in war or otherwise, but against this he would put the conduct of the experienced Admirals he had mentioned ; however, it was a fact, that .these complements were now higher than at any former pe riod ; in fact they were very near the war complements of former times. The complement of a fist-rate man of war now was 220 higher than in 1815 ; that of a second-rate was 95 higher than in 1816, and that of a third-rate, was 48 higher. He would omit fourth rates, and take the same ships, of which there could be no doubt. Now, the Macedonia, for example, a fifth rate, had nine nice more in her peace complement than she had when_tbe action referred to was fought, but the Hon. and Gallant Officer's object would be not to stand upon peace complements, but to send ships to sea always ready for action—whatever might be the pros pect of peace or war. He (Mr.',W.) would readily admit that ships ought to be efficiently manned for the service they had to perform ; but to maintain either an Army or a Navy in full war strength in time of peace, when there was no prospect of war, would be absurd and an useless waste of men and mo ney. In war ship's companies had often to fight with their guns during a long action, to protect their decks, and to work exposed to a lee shore, but in peace they had none of those things to do ; and it was a complaint that many of our ships suffered by laxity of discipline while lying in harbour for the protection of our com merce. He had no apprehension of a sudden break ing out of war, as spoken of by his Hon. and Gallant Friend ; in:leed war never broke out so suddenly but there was time enough to send out the necessary nurnberof men to any squadron. On a foreign station there was ge nerally no difficulty of getting men ; and one Com mander had lately informed !sim that he felt more difficulty in refusing men than in getting them. His Hon. and Gallant Friend had talked of the diffi culty he had encountered in fighting the battle of Na• varino with reduced complements ; but such a contin gency was not likely to occur again, and if he had fought the battle with so much credit to himself with a peace complement, surely a similar number would not be in adequate for the ordinary duties of peace. The battle of Algiers was fought with a considerable number of ships on the peace complement. It was not that peace complements were not merely to be regarded on the score of economy ; he believed that if 2,000 men more were to be voted by the House, that it would be more advantageous to employ them in sending out a larger number of ships than in filling up the complements. As our commerce was amply protected, it could not be well complained that too many ships were sent to sea ; in fact, so large a number of ships were necessarily kept at sea, in order to afford the officers the menus of acquiring a practical education, and not, as might be considered to give patronage to the Admiralty. He did think that the returns which had recently been made by the Admiralty showed that, so far from the crews being of so inferior a description, the number of aisle seamen now in her Majesty's ships was larger in proportion than at any former period ; for merly the proportion was one-third able seamen, one third ordinary seamen, and one-third landsmen ; however since 1834 it had been 64 able seamen, 32 ordinary seamen, and four landsmen per cent. ; this proportion even was exceeded in some circumstances. In 1835, Captain Hyde Parker, who would not be suspected of a partial rating of men, stated that the proportion in the Rodney was 83 per cent, of able seamen, and . no landsmen. In 1838, the 27 per cent, was reduced to 23, amongst whom were sever a l th a t h a d b een tra i ned from boyhood in the service ; the Noble Lord was also wrong when he stated that large ships took a longer time to man ; now, since they came to th e Ad m i ra l ty, an 18 sun ship took a longer time to man th an t h e Vanguard or any other ship. He would admit that desertions were; generally very frequent from ships on the home sta tion. They had not taken any great precautions to punish such men, but it was not on account of hard work that they generally deserted. But is 1836 the desertions from Sir Charles Parker's squadron were less than in 1835 or 1837. It very often happened that when a seventy-four was under the necessity of unbending her sails, the Pique, which was under manned, was under no such necessity. He had been assured by Commodore Douglas, that when he was lying with the French, his ships' crews, and which were less than the French, always performed their work quicker. The Hon. Member read extracts from letters, to show that zeal for the service had very much declined in Officers immediately after the war, and that the discipline of old Officers was much inferior to the present system in general, whence he concluded that less blame was attributable to the Navy at present, either on the score of zeal or of discipline, than would be inferred from the speeches of the Hon. Gentleman. It was well known that these letters were addressed to The order of the day for hearing Counsel against the Jamaica House of Assembly Suspension Bill was then read, and Mr. Sergeant MEREWETHER appeared on be half of the people of Jamaica, and proceeded to ad dress the House. The Learned Sergeant said he ap peared for the five hundred petitioners against th e Bill, all of $1 hom were closely connected with the island ; and he should endeavour to show that the Imperial Parliament ought not, in wisdom and in policy, to pass this Bill. He could not trust himself to cha racterize this measure. Its effect would be wholly to destroy the popular portion of the Constitution of Jamaica. He was sure that, addressing as he did, an assembly, which stood as a barrier between the encroach ments of the Crown on the one hand and the people on the other, a deep sense would be entertained of the awful importance of this question. To subvert a Con stitution was a serious measure. It was a measure which would not be adopted towards a country which lay under our arms ; a conquered nation would not have its own laws and Constitution abolished in so summary a manner. Yet this was the measure which was to be acted upon towards one of our most faithful and most valuable Colonies. What justification could be al leged for such a measure. The idea of punish ment was quite out of the question ; for no crime had been charged—certainly none attempted to be proved ; and the notion of political necessity was equally groundless. The House of As sembly had not refused to legislate until some condi tion had been fulfilled which the Imperial Parliament could not grant. The Assembly had only appealed to the justice of their Sovereign. They had justly declared that they found it impossible to legislate, be cause their functions had by the Government been improperly interfered with. It was an error in the in dividual now ;exercising the: executive functions in Jamaica, to suppose that theie were seventeen laws re quiring renewal, and this error had been removed by the Colonial Secretary, who stated in his dispatch there A large party of emigrants, comprising many of the principal tradesmen of Chichester and their families, are about to take their departure for South Australia. BALLOON ASCENT.—On Monday evening a candidate for aeronautic fame, made his first ascent from the gardens of the Standard Tavern, Shepherdess-walk, City-road. The inflation being completed the ascent took place a few minutes before six, having in the car Mr. Gypson, the proprietor, Mrs. Brady, the wife of the pro prietor of the gardens, and Mr. Henry Green, who took the management of the machine. The latter excited con siderable notice and apprehension from the crowd, on ac count of his temerity of standing on the hoop at the bottom of the balloon until the machine went out of sight. The balloon soon disappeared behind a cloud, and took a direc tion towards Essex. teripration of the Navy. The fact was, the Right Hon. Baronet knew nothing about the matter. He did not know what a seaman was, and he was very certain be did not know how to produce him.—(A laugh.) They all knew exceedingly well the value of the patronage of the Navy, but they did not know the value of the sea men, and how to keep the officers and crew contented. Officers did not like to do duty on board ships not having efficient companies ; they had them once—they had them not now, and will find great difficulty in having ) them ag a i n ; an d t h e on l y ma nlier by which this result could be brought about was, by the adoption of this resolution. He had no-pleasure in coming forward to oppose the Board of Admiralty, but he spoke the expressions of all pradtical men, whose opinions were va luable, when he said that prime seamen in this country were not easily acquired, and when they had got hold of them they should do everything to keep them. He would rather have the worst ships in the navy properly manned than good ships manned according to the eco nomical system of the Admiralty. Suppose on a recent occasion Commodore Douglas had not received an apology from Admiral Baudin, but, on the contrary, the insult had been renewed, what could he have done with his miserable peace establishment against the war estab lishment of Admiral Baudin ? And what would the country think if they had been exposed to danger in consequence ? Gentlemen who brought forward party questions that lasted three or four days,—{Hear, hear) —might think that such only were of importance, but he thought the inefficiency of the British Navy was of more importance than any party question. He cared not who was Minister if he would but do his duty to his country, and that could not be done if the Navy was neglec'e l.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Reforms were more wanted in the Navy than in any other department —a great deal had been said of Justice to Ireland—he wanted justice to the Navy, of which it had experienced but very little—every otli'r department of the public service being doubly rewarded is proportion to the Navy. In the last war two Cap tains had been rewarded for distinguishing themselves in action with America frigates, and they had been thus rewarded notwithstanding they were captured. Why was this ? because the Americans were doubly manned, and our ships not half manned. No able seamen would enter any of the large ships because they were ineffi ciently manned. Many gentlemen were not aware that there was as much occupation below deck as there was on deck, and when ull were en duty on deck, who could attend to the other duties? He had asked for a return of the desertions that had taken place in Sir C. Pagot's expe imental squadron, and that had been refused ; b. t; he believed that that squadron was afraid to go into 'port because all the good seamen would run away. If proper regulations were adopted, the service on board men-of-war might be made most attractive ; but men cow preferred entering jackass frigates to large ships— one wet night's watch had knocked up the men onboard the Caledonia. Under circumstances of danger, men who took a pride in their ship used to go through any thing to do their duty ; but now, in consequence of this "constant call on the exertions of the men, they came up unwillingly, the Officers had to drive them, and this system, which not ,only affected the efficiency of the crew but their health also, was called economy. He would rather have no fleet at all, than one not able to do its duty -as it ought to be done. The Admiralty ought to attend to this, to render it unnecessary to bring the sub ject before the House of Commons ; but what would be said, when they were told that the whole of the naval members of that Board had given it as their opinion that the war complement should be reduced by one-eighth as the peace complement ?—(Hear, hear.) The first Lord or landsman, who could know nothing at all about it, had on his own authority altered it to one fifth. Either no Navy-men should be at the Board, or the First Lord should not be per mitted to retain that situation. No doubt plenty of bipeds, in want of food, would enter the Navy, but not able seamen. Captain Napier's officers had positively been obliged to go on the yards to show the men how to furl the sails, and these were called able seamen. If the ship went to sea with such a crew, she would, in all probability, be lost. The Pique had been obliged to accept men who had been refused by inferior ships, in consequence of her being distasteful to all real seamen, from being inefficiently manned. It had been said that Captain Boxer had received more men than he had asked f or , b ut that Captain Boxer would not ask for ore, because he knew he should not get them. Some of these ships were only 50 tons less than a seventy four, their' esta and yards were nearly as heavy, and they m a sts and yards were nearly as heavy, I and they had only ninetv-si eigh t ,n in a watch •nstead of one hundred and thirt . y-which was their ' proper proportion. The Macedonia,Guerrier, and other frigates, Commanded b brave officers, had been captured in the American y war, in consequence of the the First Lord of the Admiralty by an eminent naval officer, Captain Charles Napier. He would not enter further into the Gallant Admiral's motion, for which he saw no grounds, and to which he could not therefore accede.—(Hear, hear.) Captain PECHELL did not impute all the griev ances under which the naval service laboured to the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, but he could. not congratulate him upon the answer he had just given to his Hon. and Gallant Friend. He had expressed his astonishment at the repetition of these discussions upon the Navy, thinking that his speech on the Na- MIR SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 24, 1839. val Estimates was a sufficient answer to all that could hereafter be said upon the subject ; but instead of the lull he expected, hi 3 Gallant Friend had again stirred up the waters of the deep.—( Hear.) He was not influ enced by any wish to annoy her Majesty's GoVernment, but he was anxious to see the snips sent to sea efficiently manned. He regretted to be obliged to say, that the Hen. Secretary had rather evaded the question on the present occasion. It had been said, Why were not their shipia ! well able to maintain their position now as formerly? Why in 1783 and 1784. they had no American men of war, they had no Russian fleet, they had no French men of war, manned and equipped as they now were.— ( Hear, hear.) He contended that the vessels upon the coast of Africa and other places for the purpose of capturing slaves were so inefficiently manned, that they were obliged to leave their cruizing ground when they took a slaver, and bring her into port for want of crews to man the prize. In fact there was not a vessel in the service, from a first rate man-of-war down to a sloop that was not from 50 to 20 men short of their complement. He did not advocate the present ques tion from party motives—the cause of the Navy was not that of party, and was advocated by men of all parties. He regretted however to say that the question was taken up on different grounds by Hon. Members oppo site, but it came with a bad grace from that party, which at the time of the American war sent out ships ineffici ently manned, and thereby sacrificed both ships and men. The Hon. and Gallant Member then alluded to the blockade of Vera Cruz, and said he believed nothing had been lost by the British fleet not having arrived at an earlier period off the coast. He trusted the discussion that had taken place would induce her Majesty's Go vernment to take the subject into its immediate conside ration, and he would conclude by cordially supporting the motion of his Hon. and Gallant Friend. Captain BERKELEY believed the state of the Navy had excited disgust in the minds of men of all parties, and it was time to take some steps to remedy the evil that had been so loudly and :generally com plained of. If these ships were really intended for the protection of the British flag, he trusted the practice of sending them out with inefficient crews would be put an end to. The Hon. and Gallant Member then referred to the manning and equipment of the American frigates which had read them such a severe lesson during the late war. If any quarrel unfortunately arose, and they had a proof that such .was not unlikely in the recent conduct of a hot French Prince, their frigates which were armed with 10ng . 42-pounders, requiring thirteen men to work each gun, would go into action with eight guns mute. The Hon. Member for Birmingham, the other night, said it was possible that a Russian fleet might sail up the Thames. The Secretary to the Ad miralty admitted the possibility, but, said he, "See what revenge we will take." What would the merchants of London, Bristol, Liverpool, and other ports, say to re venge of this sort ? When their vessels were destroyed, would they be satisfied with the declaration that revenge shouldbe taken when vessels were built and manned ? No : they would say their best revenge would be the im peachment of the First Lord of the Admiralty.— (Cheers.) The reign of George the Fourth ought to be held up as a beacon to warn all future Admiralties. Had this motion been brought forward during the reign of his late Majesty, the Admiralty would have had the advantage of the opinion of that monarch--(Hear, hear)—for no man complained more of the imbecility of the Admiralty during his brother's reign.—(Hear, hear.) Although he hoped that the reign of her Ma jesty Queen Victoria would be rather the revival of the golden age of literature than a reign of warfare, it was the duty of the country to place her Majesty in this position, that if she should be called on to draw the sword in a just quarrel, she might be able to rival the glorious reign of her great predecessor, Queen Eliza beth.—( Hear, hear.) He cordially supported the motion of the Gallant Admiral, because it was calcu lated to render more effective our real constitutional bulwark.--(Cheers.) Admiral ADAM said that from the speech of the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down it might be supposed the Navy was in the lowest state of degrada tion, but the reverse was the case. This mode of treat ing the Navy was not what it ought to be, and he main- , tained the position brought forward had not been made out. No one could deny that foreign powers bad taken great pains to put their ships in an efficient state, but it should be considered how few were afloat, and that many of them were merely experimental vessels. After going into a variety of details the Gallant Admiral con cluded by opposing the motion. Mr. PLUMPTRE said he should be glad to see more ships in commission ; but if that object could not be attained, those in commission ought to be more effi ciently manned.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME deprecated the constant cry in that House of keeping up war establishments in a time of peace. However, he did not think that House had anything to do with the disposal of the men they have voted, it would be taking that responsibility from the Admiralty which ought to rest upon them. He fully believed that we had now one-third of our ships to dispose of. We could dispense with one-third of our ships. (Hear and laughter-) He did think so, and he could not agree to the motion. Sir E. CODRINGTON in reply said even on the score of economy the Hon. Member for Kilkenny ought to vote for his motion, because he did not ask for more men, but that one or two ships should be discharged, and the men drafted to other ships, so that they might be rendered efficient.— (Cheers.) He clJimed the vote of the Hon. Member, because, by his plan, there would he a saving of stores for the ships he wanted out of commission. The pre sent Government only continued the old system of the Tory misrule.—(Cheers.) He had represented the state of the Navy to the Noble Lord and to the Pre mier, and to the Admiralty, but they all said the sys tem was working very well. He would rather go to sea with ten ships well manned than with twenty ships half manned, according to the present system.—(Cheers.) Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. The House dis ided, when there appeared— For the motion ... 27 Against it Majority _ —77 On our return to the gallery, we found Mr. WARD moving for leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the Me tropolitan Sewers.—Agreed to. Colonel DAVIES obtained leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the expenses of the office of Hie'She riff. LIGHTING OF THE HOUSE. Sir 1% TRENCH then rose to move that the pre sent mode of lighting the House was satisfactory, and that further experiments were unnecessary. He said, before entering upon the question he felt bound to ten der a most humbly and ample apology to the Speaker for pressing a complaint of some of the officers last F. iday in a manner that was out of order. The Speaker called himself the servant of the House ; he thought he was its master ; lie was a schoolmaster, and had a most unruly lot of youths to preside over, and really he kept them in as good order as it was possible to do without the power of corporeal punishment. The complaint he had to make was, that though the extra number of lights ordered had been restored, yet that they were more of an inferior quality, so that 240 candles gave no more light than 180 did before. There never was a more dangerous, a more injudicious, or a more impracticable experiment than that which was about to be made. If he had given comfort or sa tisfaction even to a small portion of the Members, he should feel amply rewarded for all the trouble he had taken on this subject. Lord INGESTRIE seconded the motion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped the Hon. and Gallant Member would withdraw his motion until the experiments about to be tried were proved to be satisfactory or unsatisfactory ; and he thought the House of Commons might be better occu pied than in wasting their time with discussions of this sort, which could only make them look ridiculous in the eyes of the public.—(Hear.) After a few words from Mr. HUME, . . . Sir F. TRENCH withdrew his motion, and gave notice that he should on Monday next take the opinion of the House as to whether the present mode of lighting the House was satisfactory or not. etas one only thus circumstanced, the law relating to th e police, and the Governor had the power of remedy ing any evil that might arise from the non-renewal of that laW. There was, therefore, no necessity for this measure, nor could there be until the Governor had called the Assembly together, and they had refused to discharge their functions. He might rest the case here, but in justice to the House and his clients, he must state the real state of things in Jamaica at the present moment. The proposition he would lay down was, that under the state of things existing in Jamaica it was not open to the House of Assembly to adopt any other course than they had adopted up to the present moment, no single individual, either in or out of the colony, had attempted to conciliate them. Certain measures became necessary, in consequence of the abolition of slavery. In the great work of emanci pation Jamaica had done her part—an appeal was made to the colonies to shorten the period of apprenticeship, and the Assembly of Jamaica assented. The Act for doing this was received in England on the very day the Colonial Secretary introduced into the House of Lords the Prison Bill ; this was felt in Jamaica as an unkind return for the compliance shown. That Bill became law, and was sent out to Jamaica. Several previous coalmu nications on the subject had been, immediately on theirar rival, noticed by the Governor in his communications to the House of Assembly, but this Act was not so noticed and its existence was unknown until it was affixed on the walls, with a proclamation of the Governor, stating it was to take effect. Such a thing would be resented by this House temperately ; it was resented by the Ja maica House of Assembly, not he thought intempe rately. This was the cause of the conduct of the As sembly, and they had no other course to take. The Constitution of Jamaica, as established by King Charles the Second, was of a popular character ; shortly after the Constitution was promulgated the Governor was ordered to call together what was tantamount to the House of Assembly. After an ineffectual struggle to deny their authority the question was referred to the Judges in England, and the Crown gave way and ac knowledged the power of the Assembly of Jamaica. In all controversies that had arisen respecting the Le gislative Assembly of Jamaica, the constant language used by the Crown had been that the Assembly should be called and summoned in the manner usually accus tomed. Whatever abstract notions they might have of the power of the Crown over dependent colonies, he was prepared to say that by the express proclamation of the Crown, and by the usage and practice of Jamaica, there was an independent legislative power in the House of Assembly for the purpose of internal regu lation. That power was exercised at the close of the reign of Charles the Second, and after great disputes during that time between the Crown and the Colony of Jamaica, an arrangement was come to which was embodied in a local Act, which gave to the Crown a permanent revenue, but secured to the Colony its laws, one of which was an independent legislative power for the purpose of internal Government. Could any person doubt that the regulation of the pri soners of the country was a subject of internal regula tion? If any doubt was entertained on that subject he could refer to a long succession of Acts which had been passed by the Assembly of Jamaica, re gulating prisons, and those statutes he thought was a sufficient answer to any case that could be set up. There was no Assembly more willing to carry into effect the wishes of the Legislature. A member of the Assem bly, a gentleman of colour, a most able, active, and in telligent man, had in the course of preparation a Bill for the better regulation of prison; when the Com missioner sent by the Imperial Government arrived in Jamaica. And he contended the prison law and disci pline were part of the internal right of the Assembly, with which the Government at home should never in terfere. Captain Pringle's report found that there was no necessity for the Imperial Prison Bill—that the charge of cruelty by the planters was exaggerated, and that the general abuse complained of had already been in a great degree corrected. There never had been a Bill hurried through the Houses of Parliament, sub silen tio, more insignificant and less operative than this Bill. The Bill was not suited to the wants of the Colony. No, it was nothing more than a few clauses selected out of the Prisons Bills of this country, and sent out to take its chance in Jamaica. It would, however, be perfectly useless if the local Legislature did not exer cise its powers as to the raising of a revenue for the purposes of building these prisons. Was such a Bill likely to be adopted by the Colonial Legislature ? The Governor tried the experiment of a dissolution, and out of the five of the minority four lost their places —they rejected those who hesitated about the resolutions. That proved that the people were determinedly in fa vour of these resolutions. The conduct of the Assembly had his utmost applause ; and in a British House of Commons it ought to meet witt respect. Considering the kindness and attention which had been shown last night, he would waive many collateral points which he had intended to bring under the notice of the House. In Barbadoes, upon this very Prison Bill conciliation had smoothed all dif f iculties.—(Hear, hear.) He wished that the same spirit was shown in the case of Jamaica. They were the free people of a free country, and they expected to receive the treatment to which they were entitled. If the Legislature of England had done wrong in the present case they could not hesitate to retrace their steps and undo the injustice. He trusted he had made out a sufficient case to warrant the interference of the British Parliament. It was im possible the Bill could pass in its present shape, and he could tell that House that it was mon strous to trifle in that way with the inte rests of the Colony. There were men of colour in the learned professions—there were men of colour on the Magisterial Bench, and in the House of Assembly, and he believed the Colony was much indebted to them for their exertions in promoting the best interests of the Colony. He hoped the House would pause, there fore, before it would mar their exertions. Sergeant MEREWETHER then withdrew. In answer to a question from Mr. GODSON, Mr. LABOUCHERE said the discussion would take place on the question that the Speaker do leave the Chair, on Monday next. The House then adjourned at Half past Eleven. PARLIAMENTARY DIV ISION. (From the Yates and Proceedings o TUESDAY, APRIL 23, 1839. f the llonsc of Commons.) NAVY. tlotion made, and Question put, " That the system of re ducing the Crews of her Majesty's ships, in time of Peace, below the number required to snake them efficient in time of War, is injurious to the best interests of the service ; and that it is the opinion of this House, that all her Abjesty's ships, when actively employed or about to quit the British Channel, should in future have but one complement of men, whether in Peace or War :" (Admiral Codrington :) The House divided : MINORITY-- AYES, An:11clall, General Godson, Itichird Attwood. 'l'. Grimsditch, Thomas Bentinek, Lord G. Ha!fora, Berkeley, F. H. H .wkes, T Berkeley, 11. n. C. Jackson, J. D. Boldero, Henry G. Maclean, D. Bruges, W. H. L. Maunsell, T. p Courtenay, Maxwell, s R . Dundas, C. W. 1). Parker, It. T. Farnham, E. B. Pechell, Captain Plumptrc, J. P. Salwey, Colonel Sibthorp, Colonel Smyth, Sir G. 1.1 Trench, Sir Frederick Vivian, J E. Wiiliams, W. MAJORITY—NOES, Abercromby, G. R. Howiek, Lord &dam, Admil al Sir C. Hume. Joseph Baring, 1' T. I 1 iunplierv, J. Barnard, E. G. Hutton, Robert B.aTy, G. S. Ingham, Robert Bernal, R. Labouchere, H. Lister, E .C. Ilewei T. Blake, M. J. Lynch, A. a :NPl,eoil, R. lll,ke, N. J. Bri,coe, J. I. Marsiand, H. Buller, C. .113 , :le, Hon F-x. Chichester, J. P. B. Nlelgu d, Lord t hilders, J. W, Molieth, Vkcount Craig, NV. Gibson Morris, DAvid Carry, W. Muskett, G. A. Davies, ('oionel "t/:igle, si r it Dunkin, Sir IL Noel, W. M.J Eliot, Hon J. E. Norreys, Sir J D. Evens, W. O'Callaghan, D. Finch, Francis O'Connell, D. Fitzsimon, N. O'Connell, Morgan Fort, John O'Connell, M. Gordon, R. O'Ferrall, More Grey, Sir G. Paget, Lord Alfred Nance, B. parker, John I Hayter, G. W. Parnell, Sir H. Hodges, T L. Pease, Joicph lloagson, Richard Bigot, 1). It. Hoskins, K. P r ice, Sir R. Ho card, F. J. Protheroc, E. Howard, P. H. Pryme, G. TELLE RS. C , drington, Sir E. Ingestrie, Lord 90. Itice, T. S. 'nekton], W. Roche, Sir 11. 'toile, Sir R. M. Russel!, Lout Julni Seholetield, J. Smith, Beni :min !ivory'', lion. F. Stanley, W. 0. Stanstield, W. It. C, Steuart, It. Stock, Dr. Strickland, Sir G. Tancrett, H. \V. Thornely, Thonini Troubridge, Sir 'l'. Turner, Edomod Turner, NVini,in Verney, Sir H. Vigors, N. A Vivian, Sir R. Walker, R. Warburton, H. Ward, G H. W.l here, William Wood, C. Wood, G. W, Yates, John A. TELLERS. Dal meny, Lont St.inlay, E. J. NATIONAL ANTI-POOR-LAW AS SOCIATION. Last night the D e legates, representing numerous parishes of the Metropolis, assembled in the Freemason's Tavern, Great Queen -street, Lincoln's Inn-fields, for the purpose of forming an Association to promote a repeal of the New Poor Law Act. Delegates were present from St. °lave's, Southwark, St. George the Martyr, Lam beth, St. Swithin, St. Leonard's, Shoreditch, St. Brides, St. Dunstan's, Fleet-street, St. Paul's, Covent-garden, St. Martin's-in-the-Felds, St. Andrew's, Holborn, Mary lebone, Chelsea, Kensington, Hendon, St. James,West minster, St. Anne, Westminster, St. Mary, Newington, St. Giles, and other parishes, the names of which could not be distinguished. The assembly was addressed by Messrs. Day, Ken sett, Thomas, and Baxter, in support of the resolutions proposed. Those resolutions were passed and were to the effect that the meeting should form itself into a National Anti-Poor-law Association, and that a Com mittee, comprising thirty of the Delegates, should pre pare rules and regulations for the government of the Associati on , and that such rules should be submitted to a general meeting, to be held on an early day for adoption. After this business had been disposed of, and the Committee named, a vote of thanks was passed unanimously to the Chairman, Mr. Hopwood, for his excellent conduct in the Chair, and his unceasing ex ertions in promoting the objects for which they were assembled. The meeting separated at a late Last week, owing to high words which occurred during a municiprl debate, the Mayor of Portsmouth was compelled to bind over two of the town council to keep the peace. . . JAMAICA. PRICES OF CANAL, DOCK, ASSUR. ANCE COMPANY SHARES, &c. &c. &c. LONDON, TUESDAY, APRIL 23. Number Dividend _ . _ CANALS. of per per Shares. Annum. raid. Share 1,700 7 pet cent. Ashton and Oldham-Average 97/. 18s. sh. 132 „080 4/. ' Ashby .e-le-touch Average llfs!.sh. 70.1 1,260 Basir gstoke 1001.6h, 1,005 51. 13rocknock and Abergavenny 150, . sh. ' 8,000 1-ICsh. 91 6s. Birmingham, 1-10th share ......6/1. Sr 711. J. 000 Ditto and Li verpool Juncti.../. sh. 100 pd 604.1 3/. Bridgewater and Taunton .100/. sh. all pd 100 4/. Chelrner and Biackwater 1001. sh. 500 46/. Coventry 100/.5h. 4,545 Croydon • Average 311.25.10 d. sh. 2,146'. , :: 4!. Os. Dudley ... 1001.sb. 600 14). Derby 100/. sh . 20,000 4 per cent. Danube and Mayne 4ll. 13s. 4d .pd 3,5751 31. Ellesmere and Chester... Average 1331.111. 231 621. Erewash 1001. sh. 1,297 28/. Forth and Clyde ....Average 4001.165. th. ~)iOO 121. Grand Junction 11-01.1 h. 2,8490 1/. Grand Union 1001.sb :1,500 Grand Surrey 1001. sh. 0,000/ 41. per cent. Ditto (optional) Loan lOOl. 3 , 196 Grand Western COO 131.121. 9d. Glamorganshire, Aver, cost 170/. 133. 43. 749 IN. Orantlia, 150/.sh. 6,238 21. 05. Huddersfield Average 571. Os. 6d. sit. 100 Kensington 100 sh. all pd. 5.'1'28 U. ns. Kennet and Avon, Aver. 39/. 18s. 10.1. sh. 2,807; 301. Leeds and Liverpool 100/. sh. 535; 1:3/. Leicester l4Ol. sh. 1,897 61. Os. Leicester and Northampton Aver i 3/. 10s. 2.400 101. Monmouthshire 100Lsh. ln 10/. Melton Mowbray,. 1001. eh. 500 25/. Mersey and Irweil 1001. sh. 3.000 11. 10s, Macclesfield 1001. sh. all pd. 247 174 Neath , 1001. sh. 2,400 51. Peak Forest Avet.ge about 781. sh. 1,418 lig. Regent's (or London) Av. 331. 16s. Ed. sh. 5,069 6!. per cent. Rochdale Average 85/. sh. 500 Si. Shropshire I'osl. sh. 000 9/. 10s. Somerset Coal 150/. sh. 3,600/. 4i per cent Ditto Lock Fund Stock l2/. 10s. sh. 700 40/. Stafford and Worcester l4Ol. sh. 500 91. Shrewsbury 125/. sh. 300 91. Stourbridge .......- ....- 3,647 21. N. Stratford-on-Avon Average 791.95. bd. sh. 533 15/. Swansea 100/. sh. 3,762 1/. 15s. Severn and Wye and Railway AT: 351. 'h. ,600ish. 311. 10s. Treat and Mersey, 1 share 1001. oh. 8.149 ... ...... Thames and Medway Aver.l9/.55. ad. sh. 1,0003h.1 iv. Warwick and Birmingham 1001.3 h, ,000,43311.3 980 154. Warwick and Napton lOO/.lh. 6,000 41.04. Worcester and BirminghamAv.76/.65. sh. 5,000 255. Wilts and Berks Average 671. 103.8 d. sh. 800 31. W yrley and Essington lO5l. sh 126 Wisbeach lO5/. sh. 905 I). Wey and Arun llol.ah. . DOCKS. 4.600 M 1 c ih"s 3p• C. ommerc al 1001. sh. 65a - - --- - -- 1,065151. _ East and West India ....Stock 111 3.232,3101/. 555. p.ct. London . ..... ....Stock 67; Ditto Bonds lOl 2;209 21. 19s. Bristol 68,324/. 5/. per cent. Ditto Notes, various amounts ll3 1,352,752 5 percent. St. Katharine Stock 110 500,000 41 per oent. Ditto Bonds lOll 200.000 4 per cent. Ditto Bonds for 10 years lOO 1.500 „ .... Deptford Pier 201. sh. 20/. pd 11 BRIDGES. 1,600 105. Hammersmiti: sol.sh. 21 7,231 1,700 1/. 15s. Ditto, New, of 71 ft cent. sol.sh. 14 5,000 Waterloo lOOl. sh. 31 5,000 18s. Bd. Ditto, Old Annu ities of 81. 6O/. p d 231 5,000 16s. 4d. Ditto, New Ditto of 71 401. pd 201 30,000/ 51. per cent. Ditto Bonds l2O 5,948 175 Vauxhall ..... .....,.Average 701. 10s. 3d. sh 251 Pric c ASSURANCE COMPASMS. 2,000 3/ 105 Albion 500/. sh. 50/. pd 74 50,000 V ln el d . c i r i l Alliance British &Foreignloo/. eh. 10 1/. pd 14 ! 50,000 6 per cent. Ditto, Marine 100/. sh. 5!. pd 61 24,000 11. per sh. Atlas 501. sh. 51. pd 141 1,200 Ish. 5/, Birmingham fire ............2501. sh. 55/. pd 107 i 20,000 4/. per cent. British Fire 250/. sh. 501. pd 40 12,000 61. per cent. British Commercial 5O/. sh. Si. pd 6 5,000 5!. percent. Clerical & Medial Life, 1601 sh. 2110 s pd 4 4,000 21 10s County 100/. sh. 101. pd 42 20,000 ss. Eagle 1000/ 1 00 50 01 . 0. s l i t 11 1 8 6, . .:2 2 . .5 7 5 . 0 5i 1 1 / it . l . 0 p p ppdc i l kd d 37 5 5 i 200 [and cent/ Economic Lite - 3Ol bs. 2,271 225. per cent. European Lit.: 60,000 2s. Ditto, New 2O/. sh. 21. pd 1; 1,000,0001. 71. per ct Globe 1 24: 4 01 20,000 51. Guardian 40,000 6s. 6d. Hope 50/. sh. 51. pd bi 2,400 5/. 7s. 6d. Imperial Fire 5001. sh. 50/. pd 1374 7,500 9s. Imperial Life 100/. sh. 101. pd 101 13,458 41. percent. Indemnity Marine ..... ....... 100/. sh. 81. pd 25 2,020 31 10. Kent Fire 50/. sh. all pd 82 31. Ditto Life 79 10,000 16s. Law Life 1001. :h. 10/. pd 24 5.000 10s. London, Fire 25/. sh. 121. 10s. pd 17a 3,900 10s. London, Ship 251. sh. 121. 10s. pd lir 1,000,0001. ... ..... Minerva Life 100!. sh. 500,0001. 30,000 51. per cent. Palladium Life 501. sh. 2/. pd 219 s 50,000 41. per cent. i'roteetor Fire "01. sh. 21. pd 16s Od 2,500 11. Provident Lim 100/. sh. 10 1. p d 20 00,000 ss. Rock Life 20/. sh. 1/. pd el 89,2201 5/. per cent. Royal Exchange Stock... 229 6,000 5 per cent. University Life lOOl. sh. 5/. pd 51 50,000 4 per cent. United JOINT Kingdom Life 100/. sh. Si. pd 71 BANKS. 25,000 $ per cent. Agric. and Com. of Ireland 251. sh. 10/. pd 5,000 Australasia 404 sh. 401. pd 10,410 10 percent. Bank of Birmingham 5Ol. sh. 10/. pd 1.0,000 10 per cent. Birmingham Bank 50/. sh. 51. pd 31,000 5 per cent. London and Westminsterlool. sh. 201. pd 60,000 5/. London Joint Stock 50/. sh. 10/. pd 3,000 4 per cent. Lancaster ........ ........... ..... 1001. sh. 201. pd 25,000 Liverpool 1001 sh. 101. pd 100,000 71 per sent, Manchester and Liver-} 501. sh. 154 pd pool District 20,000 7 per end. Manchester 100!. sh. 25/. pd 20,000 Provincial Bank of Irelandloo/. sh. 25/. pd 50,000 National Bank of Ireland 50/. sh. 171/. pd 10,000 5 per cent. National Provincial Eng. 1001. sh. 35!. pd 111,000 ... Ditto New lO/. sh. 104 pd 10,000 Gloucestershire 5O/ sh. 10/. pd 6,000 10 per cent. Hampshire......... ............... 50/. sh. 5/. pd GAS LIGHT AND COKE COMPANIES. 2,500 110 s Od Bath 9Ol. sh. 161. p 4 5,000 ...... ... British 4O/. ah. 161. pd „„„ r 5/ percent./ 5 .""'" 'slid Bs. 6s.j Ditto Provincial 20!. ah. 10 pd 928 5110 s Birmingham 50/. sh. 4,250 21 Os Bristol 201 sh. 2,250 3/ 10. Brighton 20!. sh. 750 31 101 Ditto, New 20/. sh. 181. pd 2,471 4i per cent. Brighton General 201. sh. all pd 4,000 5/. 10s. Continental Consolidated 75/. 6214 pd 1,000 101. city of London lOO/. sh. all pd 1,000 61. Ditto, New lOO/. sh. 601. pd 4,000 4/.los. Equitable 5Ol. pd 10,400 21 per cent. Imperial 800 51. per cent. Isle of l'hatiet 251. sh. 201. pd 2,350 6/. per cent. independent 304. sh. all pd 9,000 41. per cent. Phoenix 501. sh. 39!. p 4 1,000 41. per cent. Madill' 1001. sh. 80!. pd 4,000 8,200 41. per cent. United General .501. sh. 461. pd 240 51. per cent. Warwick ... 501. sh, 400 51. per cent Wakefield i. 2,000 31. Westminster Chartered 6,000 12s. Ditto New 5(l. sh. 10!. pd 730 51. per cent. Yarmouth 201. sh. 184 pd WATER WORKS. 4,800 Ps. Birmingham 25/. sh. 25/. pd 1,4.94 6/. East London lOO/. sh. 5,500 2/ lOs Grand Junction Average 41/. 13.. 441. sh. 2,000 2/. Kent - 100 .s h. 372 101. Liverpool 'tootle 2201. sh. 1,500 2/ lOs Now silver London Bridge Water Ann 6,480 11 15s Manchester and Salford lOO/. sh. 1,000 4 per cent. Sauth London 100/. sh. 8,294 4/. West Middlesex Average 631. 12s. 9d. sh. 1,360 11 141 York Building Co. Lessee Prop 100/. sh. IRON RAILWAYS. 6,300 Birmingham and Derby 6O/. pd 9,500 15,000 Bristol and Exeter 100/. sh. 25 pd 660 7,500 Cheltenham and G. Western 1001. sh. 201. 3,00 p ......... Clarence lOO/. sh. 1001 pd 12,000 ...... ... Commercial Blackwell 501. sh. 2/. pd 8,000 Dublin and Kilkenny 100/. sh. 5/. pd 60,000 .. ..... .. Eastern Counties 23/. sh. 134 pd Grand Junction 1001. sh. 951. pd Great North of England 30/. pd 5,000 Great Western lOU sh. 654 pd 2,000 8,000 Hull and Selby 50!. sh. 25/, 1.1 10,000 Leeds and Manchester 1001. sh. Si. pd 2,100 31. per cent. Leeds and Selby 100 sh. 1,500 11.55. Leicester and Swannington .501. sh. all pd 5,100 10 per cent. I.iverpeol and Manchesterlo(l.sh. 1004 psi 10 per cent. Ditto Quarter Shares 0 5/. pd 36 , 000 ......„. London and Brighton 5O/. sh. 17/ pd 12 000 20,000 5 3 per cent. London and Greenwich -.204 sh. 201. pd :000 London and Birmingliain 100!. sh. 904 pd ... ...... Ditto Quarter Shares Ki p d 31,090 London and Seuthampton Av. 33/, 17s. I'd. 11,000 ... ...... . London and Croydon Trunk 141. pd 6,4100 Ditto New Scrip IL Ix! 12,0(10 London Grand Junction i'l!. sh. rd. p d 13,000 Manchester and Leeds ...100/. sh 5041,d 10,000 M,nchester and Birmingham 10/.sli 15/. Ditto Extension "1 pd North Midland 1001 sh. (151 pd Northern and Eastern 1001 sh. 15/. pd 2,600 Preston and Wyre 501. sh. 311. pd 28,000 1,000 101. per cent. Stockton and Darlington ION. sh. 9,000 1,400 6,000 York and North Midland 50 . sh. 12/, pd MINES. 8,000 Albion Copper 5/. s' , 21/. pd 4,000 11. ss. A Iten 15/. sh. 121, .s spd 10,000 ........ Anglo Mexican, iss. Si pm.lool. sh. a) ', d Ditto Subscription 951. tin 2,000 1 6 1. Bolanos 150/. sh all p i 10,000 U. lOs Brazilian Imp. iss. Si. pm.... 35/. sh. t2CI. pd 600 ~. ...... Macaubas & Cocaes United 251. sit. 21. pd 11,000 Ditto St. John Del Itey 20/. sh. 141.;pd 10,000 Bolivar Copper Company, 201. sh. 204 pd 10,00 ........ Ditto Scrip 101. sb. 10/. pd 20,000 British Iron 50/. sh. 50/ v i 6,000 British Copper Si. sh. 44/. psi Cate Branca CIL i.d Candonga 7;l. pd I n,nol 11 Copiapo 20/. sh, 13/. pd 8,500 ... Coaimbian, iss. 51 . pm.... 55/. sh. 551. pd 2,850 3/. English l2/ Its. pd 20,000 General Mining Association2o/. sh. 184 pd 6,155 Mexican Company 100/. sh. 55.14 pd 3,008 Polberou Consols lO/. sh. fit. lid 11,500 Real del Monte, Unregistered Ditto Loan Notes 1504 psi United Mexican, iss. 2 pm .40/. sh. all psi Ditit, Scrip Ditto New Scrip 5/ pd West Cork 50/. sh. 50/. pd LITERARY INSTITUTIONS. 1,000 London, with Bronze Ticket......7sgs. sh. 1500 London University 100/. sh. all p 4 700 King' College 100/. pd MISCELLANEOUS. 10,000 151. Australian Agricultural.lool. sh. 2614 pd 6,1)00 41. per cent. British American Land Company :23/. pd 10,000 61 per cent. Canada Company 1001. sh. 304 pd 200,000 51. per cent. Upper Cana.:.a Loan City Bonds, 4 per cent 20,000 IL 68. General Steam Navigation 151. eh. 14/. pd 10/. per cent. Hudson's Bay Stock 2,000 IL London Corn. Sale Rooms Av. 75/. ch. 8,000 Caoutchouc Company - 120. pd New Brunswick Lanct Compargi...sol pd 2,754 51. per cent. Reversionary Int. 50c....1004 sh. 100/. pd 2,033 51. per cent. Ditto New 100!. sh. 75/. pd 4,000 10,000 os. Van Die..ner.'s Land 1001. sh. 17/, pd 30,000 LIST OF SCOTTISH COMPANIES' PRICES MARCH 16, 1839. BANKS. 4500,0031. Cl. p. et. Bank of 5&;i1.;nd...83/. 6s. 6d. Th. all pd 188/. 2,000,0001. 5f p. ct. Rcyal of Scotland 1001. sh. all pd 16:3/. 500,0001. 2p. ct. British Linen Company 1001. sh. all pd 2374 3,000,0001. 6/. p. ct. Commercial .5001. sh. 100/. pd 175/. 5.000,0005. sn. ct. National lOO/. sh. 101. pd 164 2,000,0001. 6/. p. ct. Glasgow Union 250/. sh. 50/. pd Ky. 4,000,000/. 4p. ct. Western of Scotland 2001. sh 40/. pd 571. INSURANCE COMPANIES. - 250,0005 h, 61p. ct. Scottish Union 201. sh. 1/. pd 28s. ",500 6/ p. ct. Hercules 100/. sh. 101. pd 161. Os. 100,000 sp. ct. Insurance Co. of Scotland .104 sh. all pd 9/. 17s. 50,000 6p. ct. North British 2001. sh. 101. pd 20/. 1,000 5 p. ct. Caledonian Fire 1001. sh. 10/. pd 194 lOs 5,000 6p. et. Edinburgh Lee 1001. sh. 10/. pd 14110 s 100,000 31 . ct. West of Scotland lOl. pd 7/0s MISCELLANEOUS. 4,810 ..... Edin. and Glas. Un. Canalsol. sh. all pd 104 Ditto Allocated 901. sh. all pd 47/. 5,400 5 per cent. Edinb. Joint Stock Water 254 sh. all pd 381 Carron Iron Company ...2501. sh. all IA 441. I,ooosh 15 per cent. Shotts Iron Foundery 501. sh 48/. pd 524 10,000 3 per cent. Edinburgh & Leith Giass 204 sh. 164 pd 81 4,500 10 per cent. Edinburgh Coal Gas. 25/. sh. all pd 601. 4,450 10 per cent. Glasgow Gas 251. sh. all pd 56/. 750 71 per cent. Leith Coal Gas 201. sh. all pd 504 1,200 Edinburgh and Dalkeith Rarwayso4 oh 361. 1,010 5 ner cent. Equi table Loan Colip.in v p uo.. / LAW INTELLIGENCE. BAIL COURT,. Arini. 23. THE QUEEN v. Tric DEPTFORD FIRR AND IMPROVE- MENT COMPANY. Mr. BAILEY applied to the Court to extend the time for making a return to the writ of mandamus is sued against the Deptford Pier Company, calling upon them to show cause why they had not paid the sum of 2,0001. to Mr. Collier, the sum awarded by a Jury for land of which the Company had taken possession. The application was made on the ground that the Company was not at present able to pay, on account of many of the calls not having been paid, and they asked for time until Michaelmas Term, in order that they might have the opportunity of enforcing those calls. His LORSHIP did not know that he ought to inter fere at all in a case like the present, of which he feared there would ba too many, The utmost he could do was to allow ten days more to make•the return. FORD V. HARRIS. 811.L3 OE EXCIIANGE.—Mr. BAYLEY stated that this action was brought to recover the sum of 2,0001. on two bills of exchange for 1,0001. each, drawn by Mr. G. S. Ford on, and accepted by Messrs. Andrew Smith and Co., and endorsed by the defendant, who was one of the Directors of the Marylehone Bank. Notice of the dis honour of the bill had been sent to Stevens' Hotel, where the defendant was in the habit of staying when be was in town. A waiter at the above hotel was called to prove that the defendant frequently resided there, and that letters were directed to him there, but he failed in doing so ; upon which Mr. BAYLET proposed calling the defendant's soli citor, who was in Court, to prove that fact. The defendant's Counsel objected, on the ground that any communication made to him by the defendant was privileged. Mr. Justice WILLIAM'S said that depended entirely upon the nature of the communication. The defendant might have told his solicitor he hada blue coat. Surely that would not be a privileged communication. His Lordship directed the solicitor to be sworn. Mr. STEWART, the defendant's solicitor, was then sworn, and ha stated that the only knowledge he had upon the subject, was a communication made to him by the defendant relative to his defence to the present action, and which defence was that he had not received notice of the dishonour of the bill. Mr. Justice WILLIAMS decided that under those circumstances the witness was not bound to state what that communication was. A letter of defendant's was then put in, in which he requested that one of the bills might not be presented for payment, and in which he undertook to waive all no tice of its dishonour, should it not be paid. . _ Mr. Justice ‘VILLIAMS said this would be sufficient to warrant a jury in finding a verdict for the plaintiff as to one of the bills ; but as to the other there was no evi dence of any notice having reached him, and conse quently the verdict must be for the defendant. The jury then returned a verdict for the plaintiff on one of the bills, and for the defendant on the other. FORD V. LOCK. This was an action against the defendant on the same two bills of exchange ; it was undefended, and the jury returned a verdict for the plaintiff for the full amount claimed. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. BOW-S7'REET. A young man named Win. Bather was brought up on Monday, in the custody of Goddard and Ballard, the officers, charged under the Gth and 7th of Wil liam IV., which is entitled " An Act to reduce the duties on Newspapers, and to amend the laws re lating to the duties on Newspapers and Advertise ments," with selling a number of the Paul Pry, an unstamped publication, for which he rendered himself liable, by the 21st clause, to a penalty of 201. for each offence. Mr. Tinley, Solicitor to the Stamp-office, conducted the prosecution. Goddard stated, that at three o'clock in the after noon he went to 55, Holywell-street, Strand, and hav ing knocked at a partition, in which was a flap-door, drawn up by a pulley, he saw the defendant, who sold him a number. At this moment of the proceedings John Holt en tered the office, and applied to have the case post poned, as the defendant was not allowed time to pro vide himself with a professional adviser. Sir F. Rou said, that if the person at the bar had any application to make he was ready to hear him. The defendant then said, he wished the case to be put off until the arrival of his solicitor. - Sir F. ROE said the Act empowered the Stamp-office authorities to apprehend any person instanter offending against the law, and he could not accede to the request without the sanction of the Commissioners. Mr. Tinley said he was not aware if the Act required the permission of the Commissioners, as the power, he apprehended, rested with the Ma g istrate. Holt observed that it was the first information which had been laid under the new Act. Sir F. Ron hoped that no pet slit would interfere un less he was professionally engaged, and the only difficulty he saw was the procuring proper sureties, as he did not suppose the Stamp-office wished to act with severity, but he apprehended the Act did not authorize sureties, as the person so taken by the Officers of Stamps, should be dealt with summarily, and as the defendant was present he had no objection for him to remain in the custody of the officers until next day. Mr. Tinley said he would undertake to serve the de fendant with a summons for his re-appearance before he left the office. Sir F. ROE said he had no objection to such a course, and a summons being procured, it was served upon the defendant, who again attended yesterday to meet the charge. Mr. Clarkson said that he had the honour to appear on the part of the Commissioners of Stamps to substan tiate a complaint against the defendant for an in fringement of the New Stamp Act, the 17th clause of which provided " that if any person shall knowingly and wilfully print or publish, or cause to be printed or pub. lished, any newspaper not duly stamped according to law, or if any person shall knowingly or wilfully sell, utter, or expose to sale, or shall dispose of or dis tribute any Newspaper not duly stamped, as aforesaid ; or if any person shall knowingly or willfully have in his possession any Newspaper not duly stamped, as afore said, every person so offending in any of the cases aforesaid, shall for every such Newspaper, and for every copy thereof, not duly stamped, forfeit the sum of 201., and it shall be lawful for any officer of stamp duties, or for any person appointed or authorized by the Commis sioners of Stamps and Taxes on that behalf, to seize and apprehend such offender, as aforesaid, and to take him before any Justice of the Peace, having jurisdiction where the offence shall be committed, who shall de termine the matter in a summary way, and if upon convicting, such offender shall not immediately pay the penalty or penalties in which he shall be convicted, such Justice shall forthwith commit him to prison for any time, not exceeding three months, and not less than one calendar month, unless such penalty or penalties shall be sooner paid." The 18th sect. also authorised officers to seize, and the 22d sect. authorised Justices of the Peace, upon information on oath, to grant war rants to search for unstamped newspapers, and to search for presses, &c. used in printing the same. He held in his hand an authority from the Commissioners to seize upon Ludkin Jones, whose name appears as printer of the Paul Pty, which bad no stamp, and upon in formation being made upon oath that such paper would be found, the warrant was issued. The officers, by such warrant, having gone to Holywell-street, found that another door connected with the shop opened into the Strand, and succeeded in seizing 12 quires of un stamped papers ; but they made no search for Jones, there being no such person in existence, of which circumstance the Commissioners were aware. He was instructed to say that the Com missioners felt it to be their duty to take up the case purely on financial grounds, and to pro tect the revenue, and by referring to the publication there would be found a correspondence between a Noble family and the Prime Minister, in the first page, and in the fourth an article in the shape of a leader. The other part of the paper contained intel ligence respecting the prize ring, with news about the fights to come, and movements of the Fancy, together with Police Intelligence. The Commissioners did not desire to press for a conviction to the fullest extent of the law, and as the matter had been taken up ad visedly; it would be quite right to state, that every person engaged in such a publication became liable as well as the person living at the office. The Learned Counsel then examined the officers, who explained the manner in which they effected the capture. Mr. James, the barrister, who appeared for the de fendant, apprehended that it was necessary to show that the publication was a newspaper, containing matter coming within the meaning of the Act. Mr. Clarkson referred to the police intelligence which was headed " From our own reporter," and which re flected severely upon the conduct of the " Beaks," as the Magistrates were termed. Mr. James contended that the publishing the corres pondence between the Marchioness of Hastings and the Court, could not come within the meaning of the Act, it being of a private nature, occurring between two in dividuals respectively, and of no public interest, only so far as the public made itself concerned, nor was there any case cited upon which the consequences of publishing such an occurrence could be pointed out, as might be done respecting a riot, or a war in a foreign country. He did not wish to impute anything to the Commission ers of Stamps, although he was bound to observe that no steps had been taken by them, when a number of the paper had been sent to them in the u sualway,until the correspond ence was made use of, which was not a narration of p u bli c events. The leadir , article, he would submit, related to a police report, which was taken from another paper as an extract, such as is the case with periodicals, but which could not be considered news. He knew that the other objection referred to the prize ring, which was no t a narration of events, such as travels, but an account of 135 25 RI! 775 605 120, 74; 109 137 151 i 11; 7101 280 330 Int 13/ 90 231 240 0 0 19 EVENING EDITION. what might occur on a certain day, and the Worship street case, unless the article strictly referred to the event, and was a correct account of what distinctly occurred, could not come under a penal statute, which required to be literally adhered to. The num ber of papers sent to the Stamp Office . were 52, and the defendant might have been lulled into security as the publication had been sanctioned instead of repudi atel. He would advise the Commissioners to hit upon the printer or publisher, but not to make the defendant responsible fur an act for which he scarcely could be considered responsible. Mr. Clarkson, in his reply, defended the course pursued by the Commissioners in the case, and pressed for a conviction on the several points he had before in stanced, as coming within the meaning of the Aot. Sir F. RoE said he had given every attention to the observations on both sides, and he was bound to come to the conclusion that it was impossible not to convict. With respect to the printer or publisher, as he was not to be found, the person uttering such a publication be' came responsible, as he must have had a guilty know ledge, and he would call upon him to pay a mitigiite d , penalty of 101., with power to appeal, although h e had doubts of that clause of the Act. Mr. James said that as the Commissioners did not wish to be severe, they would take the defe ndant's promise not to insert the articles in future, as he unable to pay the penalty. s aid Mr. Ciarkson, after conferring with Mr. Tinley, that under such circumstances such penalty might, with the approbation of the Bench, be further n.itigated to 5/. and costs, The defendant then paid the fine and withdrew. Mr. Clarkson said it was necessary to be public!l known, that any person found circulating s uch an wi c i stamped publication in any shop or street, subjecte. himself to a similar prosecution. LAMBETH. STREET. STABBING. - William Regan, a savage-looking fellow, who stood remanded since Friday la st ' waz placed at the bar before Mr. Combe for final OP mination, on a charge of stabbing his wife in a &ag e ' rous manner under the left eye. le ft The wife, a very decent-looking woman, the ed side of whose face was covered with bandages , s tn a that she had been married to the prisoner, wh ° ,7,,d journeyman shoemaker, for nearly twelve years, an d „-, four children living out of six. On Thursday sc an ir ‘ r last her husband was intoxicated, and asked her ; e some money to procure more drink with, and she ga y him the last shilling she had, which he instantly 't o ; away. He then took her bonnet and gown to 1 35 5 and on his return he began to abuse her, upon whi a l her passion for his conduct, she struck him, ofitl ° : e ; stantly snatched up a knife, and stabbed her with It -ore der the left eye. The witness added that she Viraj a ," - ss he (the prisoner) did not intend to injure her, en" " not be aware of what he did at the time. yes Mr. Coma E—l can see- how it is. I sup P— o— not wish to press the charge against your hush° Witness—No, Sir : I do not. Mr. COMBE (to the prisoner)—As your wife doel i d. wish to press the charge against you you are disch arg , Two Jews, named Elias Moses and Morris An d re were charged before Mr. HARDWICICE and Mr. C o°- under the following circumstances : , after Lea, the officer, stated th a t on S a t ur day l ast, the examination of the persons c h arge d w ith the Po dust robbery, and while they were b e i n g put int o 4 0 0• prison van to be conveyed to the House of Corre e- t d, two persons whom he (Lea) had employed to O a w l the houses of certain parties supposed to be imP l i c r in the robbery, were very much ill-used by a nuolu e ag i Jews who were assembled in front of the office, a u ' s e whom were the prisoners, who seemed to have tak en o active part in the affray, and they were in conseg a rs e. taken into custody. He (Lea) gave particular tions to the injured parties to be in a ttendance to "bsi stantiate the charge ; but, much to his surPr i r d ' a se l found that they had been at the offi c e, and had° away. ttlej It was here intimated that the prisoners had a / ;Of the matter with the injured party, and that the ' ll had gone out of the way on purpose. The defendants were discharged. SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE' (LLOYD'S.) VESSELS SPOKEN WITH.--The Dandy, Maybe ll ',lst. Gloucester, with boats stove and sails split, 10th ias t o ff St. 38, lon. 35, Maria, Duff, from Scilly, 11th inst. , 4.10 11, Michael's ; Black Cat, Chessee, London to St. w M a ie t ; ;; e::: 12th, let. 39, long. 23, by the Miranda, Artis, art - JO the River; New York packet, Monte Video to 14°S ..f0A 27th Feb., lat. 17 S., lon. 29 W., City of bound to Quebec, 13th inst., lat. 48, lon. 23, by the DO arrived in the Downs; Northumberland, London t t / e ifell Chaleur, lat. 49, lon. 12, byithe Jamaica, Johnson, 11"18tb in the River ; Royal Tar steamer, from Falmouthf_,ol inst., off Cape Carotea, by the 13raganza steamer, appli at Falmouth ; Alfred, London to Africa, 17th Jelt,", 7 o o ', Wylam, from London, 14th inst., by the Clifton, Cs arrived at Bristol ; Triton, Wright, Newcastle t o : Good dope, sth let. 20 S. lon. 22, by the I nd) via to Cowes, 2d inst., l a t. 32, ' E lon. 45, Tait, arrived at Co r k ; Wild I r i s h Gi r l, Cape Cs' i g o oll s Hope to London, on the Equator, lon. 29 W.' „,„ ment, bound to New Orleans, lat. 30, lon. 41, by 8 7.0 0 los, arrived at Bristol ; General P a l mer , D ow n, v- p - 0 141 to London, lat. 13 N., lon. 35 W., by the Otte ri i i 0 Scales, arrived off Falmouth ; L or d Bl ane y , Bata M" Rotterdam, lat. 13 N., lon. 36 W., by the LaYt° ll ' Cse tin, arrived in the River; Guineaman, Brewer.; l iel o ' Coast Castle to London, by h er M a j es ty's ship F e c o pel arrived at Portsmouth ; George and William, v f ea ol Shields to Malta, 17th ult., off Cape de Gatt, on Sunderland to Alexandria, 24th, 30 miles E. of G ibr sthr by the Hartlepool, Hubbard, arrived at Falmouth l,, Si land, Calcutta to L on d on , B t h Feb., let. 3 4 S'',,„ .° o utb! T E., by the Otter pool , Scales, arrived off Fe- 01' Abercrombie Robinson, Scott, London to Ma d ifscr e; Feb., lat. 19 S., by th e G u ill aume T e ll, arrived a nd Feb:: Mary Appleby, M' Kay, Liverpool to Bahia , 2 ' Cos: lat. 1 N., l o n. 20 W. ; Ocean, Nutting, C a P,, 7 , 0 e4 Castle to Madeira, let. 31 N., out 35 days; th .c ",:iyed,, Janeiro to Trieste. lat. 39 N., by the Liberal, i t f - i t,,, Iv; Brighton; Julia, Liverpool to Palermo, nth 38, lon. 11, by the Willi am , H o d ge , ar rived at mis Cass iopiea, Mauritius to Liverpool, 27th Feb., It,, lon. N., Weir, Sund e rland t o N es York, 1 2 t h 1 7,, r p0t 46, lon. 26, by the Ur a ni a , N oa ke s , arr ived at If - 0 0 1 1 e ,", Prince Frederick, b oun d t o B a t av i a , 7th lbI n ; Western Islands ; Cousins, P or t smout h to Queu' COI lon. 21, by the John, C a b o t, arr i ve d a t Brest u lt,, i Vic dins Civilis, Green, Amsterdam t o Batavia, 3d vy: 3 N., lon. 21, by the Ph6 nom e ue , Danlin, a r ' Dungeness. tb e QUARANTINE. frog ilr The following has boon rec e i ve d a t LloyErg,„h Ar British Consul at Denmark, d a t e d El s i n ore, 1839 : a t he SIR,--I have the honour of apprising you, f c op iri p e formation of the Committee, that according to a`'. Ito nication I have just received from Sir Henry na itho limns Wynn, her Majesty's Mini s t er at Copen h tmog Danish Government h ave reso lved u pon recog nii- ere e British Quarantine Establishments at Stanga t6 „oo,o Milford Haven, and the Motherbank, in c onsecr r Ocsig which full faith and credit will be given to the granted by the Officers of those E sta bli s hments , Le Fr as regards goods li a bl e to i n f ect i on, d est i n ed to t° t he of Denmark. 0 0 0 0 I must, however, ob s e rve , th a t no relaaat' t . ) o P oe standing regulations ha v ing as y e t t a kes place ,n the Danish Gove r n men t f or th e p resen t can °DIY tificates on the evidence hitherto required. I have the honour to be, Sir, Your most obedient humble servant, ,012,,, FRANCIS C. MACG R6,,,'„0P Her Majesty's Consul. y e ' To William Dobson, Esq., Lloyd's, London. S' (rA'r ° THE NEW FLAT GOLD N.- . X 1 1 The price in gold cases, with vertical movement ..... . Ditto, with well-finished h or i zon t a l mov ement, In Q.„ double-bottomed en g in e -t urne d cases , jewelled 9 e V' four holes, with silver dial .......................... T. COX SAVORY, Working Silversmith 0..„h-str_:;ol 47, Cornhill, London (Seven doors from Gracech."`4, FP" N. B. The Horizontal Construction is partie,ulsr mended for its superior accuracy. ?eV' BIRTHS. On the 22d inst., at Hatfield, the lady of the g el. e ° f . 41° of a son o On the 20th inst., at Wimpole-street, the 1 30 o ver Murray, Esq., of a son. s, l'o'g r- j On the 20th inst Mrs. A. Indervick, of Mic- ge P . , the Brompton, of a (laughter. 14 lie On the 21st inst., at Lower Belgrave-stre et, pr i , -- () f Arthur James Price, Esq., of a daughter. , Ay On the 21st inst., at Old Broad-street, the 1 1 der Oldham, Esq., surgeon, of a daughter. q es. rfo - On the 21st inst., at Ham-common, Surrey , o ,l l ' son, of a son. grO• On the 22d inst., at Bermondsey, Surrey , Herren, of a daughter. II A MARRIED. T test °° •o o/V On the 22d inst., at the Catholic Chapel. -ng a f pleOkitit by the Rev. Charles King, Thomas Dunn, Fs' ' Char les - , u p on -Tyne, to Catherine. elde s t daughter a-- 11‘0r1 Esq., of Broomfield-place, Essex. I bon e ' AOP P On the 23d inst., at Trinity Church, Ma r Z i . !, loth tb . Tritton, Eqi., of St. John's-hill, Battersea, to L'll„ierr i- only (laughter of the late R ev . P. Maxwell, of A lo SW co;..nty of Dorset. I , o too a . o jer On the 17th inst., Mr. Francis Kensett, of ••••!,-. -$. m i Middlesex, to Caroline Ann, only daughter of T. 0 0 man, Esq. well , AlObtet On the 20th inst., at St. James's, Clerkent dseblott Dangerfield, Esq., of Ashford, Kent, Maryzhebluye:billY of the late William Frederick East, Esq., of "" e Bexley, Kent. D IE D. fo " r 4. At Chelsea, on th e Bth inst., in the 83th 10: • otr Mrs. Selina H owar d. On the 16th inst., at North Bank, Regalii'leatile nant Francis Jeffreys, of the 79th Regi m ent of l' Il e. Infantry, aged 30. Tzent, the On the 20th inst., at the Rectory, Ickham,r f th e liy , Nicholas Simons, aged 86. eliet o , On the 21st inst., at Seven Oaks, Sarah, James Dashwood, late Rector of Doddington , for o el° f 0° master of Lynn Grammar School, aged 63• and youngest daughter of the late Rev. Dr.i'Lloyd, titer 0 ~ Walton, Still i Freeman, Esq., of Burwood-lodge , On the 21st inst., Sarah, the youngest daug ..ed ',,."' :11-te Isle ottleer; London •. Printed and Published by 111L,RDO -gtrsair No. 112, Strand, at The Sun Office. N o. 112 183 , the county of Middlesex. —Wednesday, April 24, 9'