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Net feertzia convinced in ray own mind that he was the aae-Ce, although very much like him, I did Oct feel warranted in saying it was him ; after sveing them all, however, Lwas desirous of goiugaback to'look at him again, and requested the commanding officer to allow me to go; be refused, sayiag his orders were imperative, to admit of only oae.hispection of the troops ; th Magistrates paotested aaainst this,-and said they must desire I shou'Al be shte,vn to that place again ; Mr. Binie-in particular urged it, saying, on the part of ticslajesty's Government, be must insist on Joy 'being, permitted to go back ; I went to the place again ; the commanding officer then admit - lina it; I•pointedout that gentleman, and nom' I muat tell the Jury that he "was not the person I took him to b.e yesterday, when I gave my evi dence ;- but his strong resemblance warranted me in saying to the commanding officer, that he bore the strongest resemblance to him of any ; I ob .served to .the Magistrates that I could not swear .te the gentleman, hotfrom the strong resemblance -I thought it was •the same; some gentleman ob served, that I must be aware of the great respon sibility I was under, and. should be careful; he was not a Magistrate, and Mr. Birnie immediately. 'checked him, saying that nothing ought to be said ; I asked the name of the officer, but the Magistrates said I musf excuse that, it was not necessary, but that I was allowed to make any observation I pleased. T have nothing more to ay than that the Magistrates and Officers bowed m -a,• and wished me pod day, and shelved me out by the Park way. . When the deposition was read over,. the wit= -ness explained th a t the o ffi cer h e had pointed cut to him to be the person who was in Oxford street on the 14th, because he bore a, strong. re 'semblance to the person whom he then thoUght h:rn to be: John Pook re-examined.--T have been at the barracks, and have inspected the reiment; I • pointed out a person there whom 1 believe to be the one with whom I had a conversation ; I con "sidered myself under the process of an examina tion by Mr. Birnie; Mr. Birnie at first asked what I came there for. I told him to identify the officer with whom T had a conversation ; he said that was not evidence ; Mr. Stafford said he • thOught it was, and I was allowed to go on; I repeated to Mr. Birnie that I thought that was the person ; I omitted asking the name of the officer, thinking the responsibility rested on. Mr. Birnie ; his station was on the left side of me as I went along the ranks; I thought Lcould iden t!fy another person in the first rank who was pre sent on the occasion ; it was one I had seen cut a man, and I-intended to take . a better - view of him when I returned, but I was told to -keep my eye to the right; I had no further opportu nity of seeing him; I told Mr. Birnie that I had every reason to believe that he was the person ; Mr. Stafford wrote something, and I have no doubt both he and Mr. Birnie will know the - tan. They were in two lines, and the Officers 'in front, face and face, and there was one op posite- the Officer I pointed out, that was so like him as to create doubt in my mind. Tae CVISIJA 41,ft4 Lo 'just received a message frem Mr. Birnie, to say. that all the witnesses in the barracks bad gone 'through the inspection of the troops, and desired to know if the Jury had any others who had been examined to send over. Four individuals were then taken from the room, one of whom was Mr. Dean,and proceeded to the Barracks for the purpose • of identifying. It is to be observed that these persons; notwith standing the repeated directions of the Coroner, had been permitted to remain in the room when the witnesses were examined, and had an oppor 'tunity of hearing an accurate description of the station of the Officer in the regiment who had been fixed on by the other witnesses. Wm. Cleaver re-examined. Had been down the • ranks of the troops in the Barracks over the way. Saw an officer on the right hand side, iyhom'at first he thought to be• the officer he had seen at the Queen's fttneral. Ile saw a second one fur tiler on, whom he pointed out as the person, and asked his name ? A Gentleman said they did not give any mimes there. He then said he - could not take upon himself to swear that that 'was the officer he had seen at the Queen's fu neral. They asked him if he wished to see any 'further round the ranks, but. he said he did not. He was of a light complexion,-but he did not re mark the colour of • his hair. He believes the .Magistrate .took, down the officer's name, and also what witness said. He saw another very like him, but from the agitated state of his mind 'he could not swear. He was asked for his name and address in the first instance and gave it. - After his deposition had been read to him, the - witness observed that he 'had omitted to state on, his former examination, that he saw a soldier •on the day of the Queen's funeral with:hig face all bloody, - and . gaVe hiin his hatinerchieflo' wipe it off. This was between Kensington' and • Knightsbridge. ' William Pinkerton re-examined.—He saw. every officer on the parade,and• was not able to identify any one of them. William Alexander, a lad of about twelve years of age, stated, that he had seen the soldiers drawn out over the way in .the Barracks ; he was taken along the ranks by two soldiers ; he saw an Officer hold down his head and turn up his eyes, but that was not the man, that shot Richard Honey.. He went straight up the right hand rank ; a great number of them had cloaks on, and the soldiers hurried him along very fast. When be got to the top, he turned. to the right; and saw the soldiers that were on the left. He went straight on there, close to. the 'gate where he entered first, when he again turned round, and went up to the same line, looking to the left instead of the. right. As he passed along, he saw several laughing at him, and:gnashing their teeth, and talking about what he could not hear. He observed a young Officer before he came-up to him by three, and immediately advanced - up to him, and not knowing he -had a right to speak, he pointed at him. • One of the soldiers that was with him, asked him what he meant by it. He said that that was the man that aimed and fired at a man at Cumberland-gate. Another gen tleman 'then came up, and asked him - what he had to say aho - ut' it; he believed it Was Mr. ; he had a wig on. He replied, that he had said all he wished to say. Mr. Birnie then asked what that was, for he wets a Magistrate. lle repeated it, and .he told witness to go and put, his hand'`on the horse's head, w hi c h h e did. The soldier was then going to put him out at Knightsbridge -gate ; but the Magistrate told him not. He was pOSitivelY sure lie was the same man he saw at Cumberland-gate aim and fire at the deceased. He was of a light com pl:2xion, and about 18 or 22 years of age. When witness pointed Mai out, he turned white, and when' he touched . his horse's head, he turned red and laughed. They asked him if he would go round again, and he said " No," he was quite sure. He was dressed as he was before, and he knew him 'by his pautaloons, with boots under them, and by his face 'and appearance altogether. 'William Montagae was in the Barrackyard, and saw an Officer on the right hand side. He thought him to be the man, but could not swear to him. He went all.round and up the middle again, .and saw one man about half way up on the right hand side. He thought him to be the man ) but could not s wear . Th ere was a resem blance and likeneSs, but he looked lustier than he had expected. He pointed towards him, and said he thought that 'was the man that levelled -his piece at the man that .was shot at the crowd of Cumberlatid-strejt. One of the soldiers that went round with witness - went tip to the man and said . something to him, but he did not hear. Ile did -not know whether he was an officer or a - - private ; he was in the _ranks. Ile saw several that were - like him,. but one in particular on the opposite side, and could not swear-to either. He knew it was not the -same horse. He thought he saw it in another ;place in the hinder rank. Josiah Dean. 7 .-I saw the troops paraded in the Barracks. Exactly opposite the. entrance to the yard, - there .was an open file. I went up the centre of it; examining minutely the soldiers on the right-hand side. I observed when I had got fifteen or twenty yards up the line, to the soldier that accompanied me, that I did not think it was possible for me to identify the man in consequence of the . way in -which they were muffled up to the neck With their long cloaks. I said I could not tell an Officer from a Private. I proceeded to the top of the line, which was the'yard, turned round, and in returning inspected the other side which was on my right. I observed to the sol dier that was with me, there was an Officer I knew very well, that I thought within this last day or two must have been in a very hot climate, his countenance was so different from what I had ever seen it. 1 think he was rouged. The sol dier told me in a very abrupt way, that the time could not be taken up in that manner ; I must go on. When I got to - the bottom, I turned round to the right again, to inspect the rear file. I was met at the bottom by Mr. Birnie, Mr. Stafford, and some Officers of the Guards and several Gentlemen. I told them that could not identify . the person. I then came away ; but I wish to state'that the soldiers were so muffled up, that . 1 think if impossible that any one can Identify Litem. I t'hp haVe been given. They held their heads down, and looked another way. . By a Juryman.--I saw the soldiers on the 14th of August, and they had their cloaks On them, but as they were galloping about the whole body could be seen. A - discussion ensued relative to the propriety of retaining that part' of the witness's evidence which spoke of the rouge on the O'fficer's face. The Foreman thought it material, as proving that stratagem was resorted to, observing, " that if all the troops were to be muffled in cloaks, and painted, it was impossible to recognize them." William Spratt saw the' troops paraded over the way. In the centre, on the left-hand side, be- saw two Officers about ten.horses distance, but they were so ninth alike, that he was quite puzzled between them, and could not determine which of the two shot the man. . When h e came to the second man, h e ' thought the first had come out of his place, and put him ' self before him. One that he looked at, .when he was just about .to lift up his hand to poin t• him out, his lips quivered, and he turned pale ; and he should have said he was the man, when he saw the other, which created the doubt. The mind preponderated in favour of the second one, whom he had seen in the morning, whilst he was going into the stable with a private behind him, when he called out ." that is the man that shot Poney ; swear it." Th e .Officer turned and looked at him, and hurried into the stable. .1111'. Souls, who had been previously examined, now came for Ward, and stated, that he could cor roborate this part of the witness's statement,, as he saw it. The CORONER strongly reprehended the con duct of ;he witness in remaining in the room, after the repeated' ordrs . ' given to the contrary, and informed•him that no second examinations could be taken. William Tuckey said, it was so dark when he was admitted to view the troops, that he was unable to speak with any certainty on the sub ject. He remarked one officer on the right, about sixteen yards down. He vould not identify man. Mr. WAITIIMAN complained that in conse quence of the short notice given of the intention of the troops to parade for the witness's inspec-' Lion, the ends of justice had been completely defeated. It had been impossible to send round to the witnesses in time for them to come up, and to those who had come every means of ob struction and confusion had been employed by the troops. The CORONER—I read a letter to you this morning, proposing a postponem2nt, but you re jected the proposal. Mr. IVAITumAx said, that they did not anti cipate the obstruction which had been thrown in the way. A scene of confusions followed here, from an individual who had made his way into the room, addressing the Jury in the language of com plaint, relative to the conduct of the military, and his disappointment, not having received a summons i❑ time to take part in the inspection. . . ' Some of the Sury :'eprehended him for his in trusion, and others dettnded it. The Foreman here : dhserved, that he thought the Adjutant ought ,to, be summoned to attend. At present he (the 'foreman) did not know the man's name. On being informed of that, he should make a motion for his attendance:-?\„ Mr. Sheriff Waithmwt: said, he had Ales to impute any thing to the Adjutant; but on the whole, he thovht the present way- the most pitiful farce eqr played off. The Jury had been-deprived of the means of coMing . to a proper conclusion from tl testimony which had been given. If the Surf were to see a man pointed out, and to see that man's lips quiver and his colour change, woad not-fhey infer sornething front so strong a circumstance ? Without this advantage of observation, they might as well try persons at the Old Bailey in the absence of the prisoner. Why Whs the prisoner akays present on those occasions, with a large glass over his head, but for the purpOse of enabling the Jury to watch his countenance on the living of the evi deuce ? Much also depended upon the manner in which a witness conducted himself in the presence of the prisoner. These opportunities for the ad vancement of justice were entirely lost by the mode in which the proceedings were conducted. It being now ascertained that the name of the Adjutant was ''.),mas Ewens, the Foteman of the Jury movetiOhat he be summoned to attend. the next meeting to give evidence, and that lie be requested to bring With him and produce the roaster, or orderly book, - of the 14th of August., in order that th e names o f the Officers and men that day oti duty might be ascertained.—The motion, aftersa short conversation, was put and carried by 14 -voices against one. That one, however, withdrew his opposition, and the mo tion was carrk d unanimously. It w a s then pro posed, that for the purpose of confirming the evidence of the Witness Alexander, Mr. Birnie and Mr.. Stafford should be summoned. This was agreed to, and they were ordered to be sum moned accordingly. . The Inquest was then adjourned until this day, at two o'clock, -at the New Inn, Edg-eware road. FOR THE SUN. THE PEOPLE AND THE CITY. Ma. EDITOP. - --The complaints respecting a late Procession, as far as I can understand theth, are, that Ministers did not comply with the wish of the PEOPLE, and direct the Funeral to' pass through the City. Now sir, surely no -one who has ,seen the Proc ess i on w ill ca ll t h at motley grciupe the People, or even its -Representatives. Besides, small as it was, I question whether one in ten had any thing to do with the. City. _ • If it is said that it was the wish of the People of. the Netropblis, then Sir, even that fails ; for the People of the Metropolis, with the exception of the Rioters and their party, had assembled very quietly along the_ line of road m hich they sup posed Ministers .would adopt; and, in the until the success of the Rioters was known„ there the kt iiiartyxf crowa. But Sir, why should th e City have the preference over the rest of the Metropolis, even looking at the affair as a show ? The population of the City is not one hundred thousand, about one fifteenth part of the MILLION AND 'A HALF who form the Population of LONDON, in its general designation ; and there fore if it had been the wish of Government Co gratify the PEOPLE by a fair view of the Proces sion, the route which they marked out was the very'one best adapted for that purpose.—Your's, IGNOTUS. The REPORT of the SELECT COMMITTEE of the HousE of COMMONS appointed to consider the several returns made to the Orders of that House in 1819, 1820, and 1821, relative to the sums as sessed, levied, and expended, on account of the poor in England and Wales, has been printed.— ] t states that the returns are nearly complete ; that it appears the expenditure has continued to increase from 1812 to 1820—the first period averaging 6,129,844/4 the second 6,844,2901.; and the third 7030,622/4 but the annual ab stract shews that this increase has not been pro gressive year by year throughout the whole pe riod, and that it is not now progressive. The returns in 1820-21 will slim whether the amount has continued to decrease, and the Committee have been informed that the greater number of the returns which have already been received, exhibit a more or less considerable diminution. There are, however; several, exceptions to be found in particular Counties to the results drawn from a general average. In the counties of Devon and Surrey, there was an excess not inconsi derable in 1813-19 over the preceding year, and a slight excess in Bedford, Cumberland, Gloucester, Hu n ti ng d on , Li nco l n, Midd lesex, .Northampiva, .Rutland, Westmoreland, and the North and East Ridings of Yorkshire:-::: In other counties of England, there was scarcely a diminution, and in Wales, gene rally, an excess. In Cumberland, Leicester, Lincoln, and the West Riding of Yorkshire, the year 1819-20 shews the greatest amount. The exceptions to the statement that as to the two last years of which there are returns there was a slight diminution in the second, arise in the counties of Chester, Cumberland, Derby, Durham, Leicester, Lincoln, Nottingham, Warwick, and the West Riding of Yorkshire. PROVIDENTIAL ESCAPE.—Yesterday morning a little girl, named SARAH SOASIES, about six years of age, whose mother obtains her living by washing, and resides in the Kingslamt. road, whilst engaged at the tub the little girl went to the win dow, two stories high, and having overbalanced hciself fell into the streets. - The poor mother ran down half frantic, when she found the child in the arms of a neighbour, unhurt. A surgeon attended, and declared the child had sustained not the least in jury, FATAL ACCIDENT.--Two young men, belong ing to the parish of Tarbolton, having, on Friday evening last, gone out to shoot wood-pigeons, one of them incautiously rested the muzzle of his fowling-piece against his left breast, when it ac cidentally went off, and lodged the contents in his heart. Ile instantly expired. He was the principal support of an aged mother, %% ho is thus left to lament his melancholy fate.—(Edinburgh Courant,' Aug. 18.) FOR TilE SUN. GOVERNMENT ECONOMY. M. is no* the cry---with the esta,blishment of 17±1.2--b; let us not forget that ive are both richer and'- triore populous thati irtAtiott year ; tilhirefore with %more-4o s l ipport, and abler to do it. Thus rich and populous have we become, if not in consequence of an enormous expenditure, at least in spite of it. But I be lieve that a little cool consideration will show that our wealth has arisen in a great degree from our increased expenditure, which not only elicited labour and circulation to meet its own demands, but also to go far beyond them. In fact,.Sir, the operation of expenditure in regard to a nation and to an individual, are two things' as distinct as noon and midnight. The money spent by an individual does not return. to himself; but that spent by a nation is' for 'the most part wi i : itself ; and w h ere t axat i on ex i sts, as with us, great part of it returns again into the national coffers ready for further expenditure. Again, though an individual may save lay decreased expenditure, let us not forget that he may lose through false economy. So is it with a nation, and by that test may we try the system of economy now pro posed by modern financiers, and partly acted on, I am sorry to observe, by his Majesty's Ministers. Sir, it was the diminution of -, public expendi ture that first produced both public and private distress. That is a truth which may be denied, but cannot be contradicted. Are we then to be lieve that the evils resulting from so great a cause are - to be cured by petty savings -in our great Public Establishments, by discharging Seamen and Soldiers to be supported by the Poors Rates ; for our labouring population are not yet fully employed—and by the harsh dismissal of POOR CLERKS IN Puna - Jo OFFICES, who have spent their best days in the service of the country, until unfitted for any other occupation, and non to be cast off without support or the means of ob taining it ? It ma . ) , be said that these clerks were only on the War Establishment—but even then, what does the Country save by, their tiismissal ? Take a man, (and such a case may, nay does exist), with•a wife.and five children, who has been fif teen or seventefin years in public employ, receiv in"g perhaps one hundred pounds per annum.— Dismiss him, and what is saved to the Country ? 100/.!! Oh, no ! for here are seven individuals east upon_ the parish ! Can they be supported for ten pounds per curium each Why, Sir, IL they can, that is 701. a-year ! 'So that on one Side we have saved 30/. per annum, and on the other we have gained seven paupers, instead of a little family living in happiness,and respectability —nay more, a family living in such a manner as toTay back in taxes to the national purse, directly and indi rectly, more than the 30/. thus supposed to be saved on paper calculation. Is this then a mode of economy worthy of a great Nation or a liberal Government, even as a matter of pounds, shilliUgs; and pence ? IS such a sum total of mi.'iery as must ensue, to be encountered for .no other purpose but to follow the crude theo ries of.. Mr. Jpsr.ett liumc,* and other Cla mourers, who would regulate the expenditure of the Nation by the petty economy which enabled them to creep through life, until they could find their way into Parliathent ? Are we thus to break up the very sinews, and shed the heart's blood of our military, naval, and financial de partments, 'at the very moment too when, per haps, they are all on the Very point of being again called into action ? Once torn asunder, Mr. Editor, it will cost us much more than even the nominal savings to put them together again, independent of w hat must be lost before they can be made to work as sys tematically as will be necessary for the rapid and accurate carrying on of the Public Service. I wish not to be the prophet of evil ; but I fear, Sir, that we shall soon have to lament the errors of a false economy.--You may, perhaps, hear further on this subject from your constant reader and well-wisher, A PLAIN MAN. TIIE FLORIDAS. Our contemporaries yesterday (says The Times), under the head of " American intel ligence," stated that .the troops" of the United States had occupied the Floridas, .and that Ge neral Jackson had:issued-a proclamation 'on tak ing possession ; but this statement is at least premature, as the following extract from the National intelligewer will show " s fIiNG TON - , JULY e perceive that. a copy of General Jackson's Proclamation, on taking possession of the Floridas; is szoinr• the rounds, with - the date of the 25tit Now, the Prochimation could have not reached' us in due course of mail since A that date. Moreover, the proclama tion is not sii.med, It is not, therefore, authentic. Yet, we, believe that on the '2sth day of last month - Gen. Jackson did actually issue a proclamation of , the form and tenure of that which is published. The mystery is thus explained : —General Jackson insived from - Montpelier (Alabama) for Pen sacola, with,the troops of the United States, on the 15th ult. -Previous to his moving, it was probably determined that his proclamation, copies •of which, in the American and Spanish languages, had been - some time 'Tainted ready for distribution, should issue on the 25th. It now a week since we received a copy of this , proclamation, thus dated. We knew, however, that it could not have come in the regular course of the Mail, and.mu - st consequently have been forwarded in anticipation of the event which it proclaims. We determined to wait the actual occurrence•of the tact before we published' the proaxmation There's Many a slip 'tween the cup and the lip;' and some thing or other might have turned up to prevent the appearance of the proclamation on the day intended. Grave bodies move slowly ; and the Spaniards arc proverbially grave." ' PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY AT TWELVE O.CLOCK. 3 per Cent. Red., • 76i Bank Long Ann, 19 11_1 :s 3 per Cent. Cons: • Excheq. Bills 4 per Cent pr. 954- 96 Cons.Yof Aceouitt. 761 5 per Cent. Navy Ann. 10811.09 % . • 11.1 Gil WATER IAINDO: Morning, 3.1 minutes after 10. , i - StBRIDGE TO-VORROW. I Evening, 11 minutes after 11. THE SUN. SOLEM QUISDICERE FALSUM AUDE.IT LONDON, WEDNESDAY - , AUGUST 22, 1821; It appears by the Paris Journals of Sunday, which arrived this morning, that war is. regarded as inevitable, though hostilities have not posi-, tively commenced , —Accounts, dated' the 14th of July, have been received' from Constantinople, which mention that the Austrian Internuncio has supported the demands of the Russian Cabinet, and that this conduct hasgiven great dissatisfaction to the GRAND SIGNIOR. It is generally believed' that England has at length accepted. the oflice of • Mediator, at the earwig solicitation of.the f{:1:4 ! who has expressed a desire'of avoiding war ivith Russia, by declaring to the British Minister its readiness to comply with the Ultimatum of the Emperor ALEXANDER ; but it is very doubtful whether the GRAND SIGNIOR pOSSOSSVS sufficient power to restrain the excesses of the Janissaries and Asiatic troops, or to prevent their renewal; and whether he will not be compelled to sunny , to the wishes of the Ottoman troops, who loud!! demanda war against Russia, and appear to IC animated by the highest degree of fanaticism. The impression at Vienna is that it is srarceil possible war can be avoided; and this idea apPe s3.4 to be strengthened by the conduct of the Austrili3 Government, who have sanctioned the circulatio 3 of Reports to this effect to serve as a caution tc' Merchants in their speculations ; more especially as several demi-official Journals have promulgate d • 1 opinions of a diff erent tendency, which 111'0)t induce many persons to embark in undertaking' that would involve them in ruin in the event of a war. Dispatches of great importance had bee n received by the Austrian Cabinet and the Russia n Ainbassatior at Vienna, on the 7th of Augus t : a Cabinet Council was i mmediately sumuluned, and the P r i nce d e INI ETTERNIcu left his palace at Schoenbrunn to a ttend it. Three divisions of the Russian army in Bes sarabia have r e ac h e d t h e b anks a Ijos "" outposts are stationed on the extreme frontier to observe the movements of the Ottoman army under JUSSUF PACUA ; the Austrian forces " 11— tinue to march in great numbers to the Turkish' !} i *routiers. The news of the capture of Salonica by th e Greeks is contradicted; but it appears the Greet' squadron is still before that town, and tha t the treasures of the church of Mount Athes' which are very considerable, have been Ye moved on board that fleet. The non-arri val of • YPSILANTI in the Morea is now ac counted for : it appears from different quarters continue that he h as b een sent pr i soner to the fortres s of Munkats c h i n H ungary, un d er the escort of art eteo Austrian offic er . Thi s f ortress is usually appro priated or the dnt to inflictinof State the Pv severest reiner psu.p ' h ments on all th e Jews . who fall into their hands fp extenuation of th e con d uc t of the Greeks, it should be obs erve d th a t the Josys have brought these c rue lti es o n themselves by their perfidy at Const an tinople,' in laving by thei c inforrna tion against the rich Greeks ; and , recent infaMous conduct as relate d in the cap ita. last communications from the Ottom an sesr°erl:she Greeks we re d e livered When hundreds of Greek virgins over to the brutal l us t o f the Turks in the baOf r of Constanti no pl e , th e Jews repaired this e ttnd bought about twenty of these unforW4 f etlt females who survived the horrid tre a-11 of the barbarians; they transported them_e; into Asia, and now the Jews demand immen! I in ransoms from their parents, who succeeda . • q to d e escaping from Constantinople, threatening . of the , liver them over again to tile brutality Turks, if the ransom money does not arrive °.3 '- the fixed day. The atrocities committed by 1 t hose Turks in W a ll a chia, if possible, eNceeL ~ Constirria practised by them on the - Greeks in I both 3 e XeSl a nople. Hundreds of all cids and 0 v d. . 0 5 led ; . have been poignardecl, hung, or inll'a u t Off. — numbers have bad their noses and ears .c an d wo- Several have been put to the torture; ex perienced men, young girls, and nuns , have such treatment as makes one shud der to relate and it is chiefly in churches and convents that thes.. i$ horrid scenes have tak en place. The country , laid waste and the c attle driven away. LP wards of 20,000 p er sons, most of them vi° lllC ri i and children, haVe been led into slavry od the other site of the Danube ; and ndee