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nr .11‘ V ENT rl-4 4_4 T4l DA _ "El . i house further, but conclude by submitting his motion to the Reuse. _ I) Mr. FINCH seconded the motion. Lord PALMERsToN said that this question had for some months past engaged the attention of her Majesty's Govern , 1 went. Its August last they had understood it was the inten- I tion of the Danish Government to impose a transit duty on ' ship s b etween Lubeck and Hamburg ; an d a l so t h at that duty was not to be equal, but that it was to be double for goods going to the Baltic. The first question that ought to be cons'- : tiered was, whether the Danish Governmeet had a right to im • pose a transit duty, and he was afraid there was no ground on which they could deny the right of Denmark to impose a transit duty on 'goods passing through its territory,.previded that duty was moderate, and not more than equrvalent for services which that country might afford, and provided it was equal on all nations. The Government had pretested against the inequality, and the result of their r epresentationt was, that in December last the Danish Government informed them that it was their intention to equali ze t h e d ut i es by reducing the high duty to the amount of the low duty, which was five sehillens per cwt. S o f ar t h at was satisfactory, but then it "oliPeared which there was another principle of inequality existing, There was that th e d uty was not to apply to all commodities. was an exemption in favour of commodities that came from certain Countries. The staple goods of Russia and the tG l 3 h al eay t t i e were exernet, while the staple goods of England were subject to the duty. The Government also remonstrated upon , er a n n m d e t n h t aLsu ( bject was nnder discussion between the two Hear, hear.) The point at issue was one that ought not to be mentioned to the House. He should have all objection to produce the correspondence which related to that branch of the question brought to a final issue—the equality of the duty; but he thought the House would perceive it was not expedient to produce the correspondence relating to the lansettled question. When the question was brought to a ter mination ene way or the other, he would offer no ob jection to its production.—( Hear, hear.) There was a Pritb arY question pending, , the right ef Denmark *a levy this duty at all ; and with regard to the Sound dues, a question of considerable importance had of late been mooted— viz., whether the duties now levied by Denmark were not Greater than she was by ancient usage or treaty entitled to. He begged, however, to decline expressing any decided opinion Upon that point. But the attention of the Government was airected to it, and it was their intention to ascertain what was .tautthe just right of Denmark on that subject. If it should turn at the d ut i es exceeded what she was entitled to levy, the Xiritish Government would think it right to make remonstrances b IP" t hat point. Wi th regard to the Stade duties, there could be no doubt that they were levied to a much greater amount than was right or just, and that they were levied in a . very 'vexatious manner, and that subject was under their considern ti°n.--( Hear, hear.) If the Hon. Gentleman would limit his Motion at present to copies or extracts of any correspondence Upon that branch o f t h e su bj ect which had been settled, he (Lord Pa lmerston) would then offer no objection to the motion. ilnMr. H UME felt, and he was s ure th e H ouse o f C ommons erdftohreieposunniterhy would feel, greatly i n d e bt e d to t h e H on. Mem for the manner in which he had brought for ward this subject. At the same time he thought the answer of the Nobl e L ord was perfectly satisfactory ; and he would advise the Hon. Gentleman to accede to the suggestion of the Noble Lord. t. or Mr. AAR ON CHAPMAN said, the Soared dues were levied andthe purpose of keeping up lights and giving accommodation and he thought were perfectly fair. he PEASE said the Sound dues far exceeded what was tiecessary to keep up the lights.--( Hear, hear.) The Stade duties were operating most grievously, and such a state of ''Mint ought not to be allowed to continue.—(Hear, hear. ) Mr. GIBSON had never heard anybody before pretend to b uy as th e H on. Member for Whitby (Mr. Aaron Chapman) ' ad , done, that th e S ound dues were a mere compensation for w eat Den mark had done; and he (Mr. G.) thanked him for the admission that the Sound dues ought net to be more than sufficient to compensate Denmark for th e ma i n t enance o f b uoys and lights—( Hear, hear.) He was perfectly willing to adept the amendment proposed by the Noble bird. The motion as amended was then agreed to. Sir F. BURDETT then rose to call the attention of the itionse to the petition of Mr. Dillon, prd on th 27th NI/larch. That t h at Gentleman had filled his esente situation e in the '. y with cre di t to himself, was not doubted, and he would therefore refer to the facts of the case. On the occasion to ,which he now referred, Mr. Dillon put out from the Cove of "rk, for th e purpose of intercepting a smuggler, and chased her until she was obliged to take shelter in a place, where she was captured, and afterwards condemned. The tide-master of the harbour, into which the smuggles. was driven, took pos session of the vessel, and obtain e d th e pr i ze-money, notwith s'anding the capture had been caused by the conduct of Mr. Dillon. He believed, in point of law, there was no doubt that Mr. Dillon was entitled to the capture, for which he had re ceived the thanks of the Treasury. Shortly after the capture, Dillen went to the West Indies, and it was not until his ret urn, that h e h ear d the vessel had been condemned, and a very larg e sum of money, 11,0001., had been adjudged, to a portion of whi c h h e was entitled. He immediately made his been elaim, and ascerta i ned that a charge of cowardice had w made ag a i ns t hi m. He made an alica te Lord Althorp, who sa id t h at if that c harge tion could be cleared off, the case might be altered. The charge w as disproved, an d h e t h en l ooked to have the case disposed of. Ile wrote to Lord Althorp, and received an answer stating that • he was surprised the claim had not, been settled long before, but he should soon be in London and would look into the matter. . Un fortunately Lord Althorp went out of office, and the matter xas main delayed. M r . Dill on wrote to Admiral Stopford, ho, in his reply, stated that he was exculpated from all charges. After all this he could not see why Mr. Dillon should LandSeporived of what he was so justly entitled to, and that a per- The Shoul d obtain the prize who had not the least title to it. could si,poin b te e d in to demo inquire theleie:tis se was y the merits he could not conceive what answer ruHereitsmoofvtehde t p h e a t t it a ion. Committee be The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought 1 necessary to make a few remarks on behalf of the Government ',I and of the House of Commons, because the claim had been al ready twice decided by the House, and if there was any case I made out of denial of justice to Mr. Dillon, the offence was at tributable to the House. He trusted he should be able to give 'a complete, triumphant, and conclusive reply to every statement Which had been made by the Hon. Baronet, who had taken an ex parte view of the case, when, by applying to the Treasury, he In ght have seen the whole of the documents, as he (the Chan cellor of the Exchequer) had informed him when the entice of the present motion was given.—( Hear, hear.) ble Hon. B aronet had been the victim of a delusive statement. This trasisaction occurred in the year 1822, and he would not I,!ay that the lapse of time was a bar to the claim if it were a ,ist one, but certainly it cast a suspicion on the case. Four changes in the Government had since occurred—Lord Liver ?eel, the Duke of Wellington, Lord Grey, Sir Robert Peel, and Lord Melbourne, had each been appliej to, and had each ex , pressed an opinion unfavourable to Mr. Dillon's claim. Ac ,;rding to M r . D illon's own claim, a heavy gale of wind was ft wing at th e t i me. Mr. Dillon, without any orders, we n t t o ,ea'a,because h e said his crew was a bad one, and he wished to ;!ni?r ess on their minds that he was determined to do his duty. l sler these circumstance s he met the Peru hovered about b , and :' , so many shots, that he compelled her to go into Kinsale. 'a.,from this being the case, however, it was the crew of the t,raastel who carried her into Kinsale against the authority of the ~".. P ain, for which purpose they rose upon him, as he wished te e °, eed to the coast of France, which they refused to do on ac !omit of the inclemency of the weather. This was in 1822, a nd Mr. Dillon did not go the West Indies till 1824, _B6. t hat he remained for two years in this country !vithout preferring his claim, during the whole of which time net was in the service. He told the Hon. Baronet that he was n su o r t aware of the amount of the prize, but he says to the Tree ' the co ndemnation when asked the reason of this silence, that shortly after cundernnation of the vessel he had learnt that the receiving officeriel _had received 11,0001. prize money, and would have made hoist the then, but be thought it necessary and proper to with e proportion due to his crew, of whom he had received deoulcita:la„character, the better to insure discipline and good con ward it u se e as n° ll l . 4 saY, if there was an absurd case brought for ' and complained to:Lnoerd D ir . c p er il t l h o a n t h a d h . c c o o u m l d e ment, while tit l e s n t o o t th g e et T e r m e p as lo a y ry . mputation of cowardice rested upon his cha rsacter and that part of the case, and that only, was referred to ` S pencer renEedewr aarnddCosidrrEin.gton, and he had the authority of both Lord Codrington for stating that the one would never have referred, nor t h e ot h er h ave adjudicated upon, a question ° of law, as th e c l a i m to pr i ze money must necessarily • the only question r e fe rr ed t o Si r Ed ward Codrington, boarding s urelv naval one, as to the propriety or impropriety of hus, in this instance, the indiscretion of the 4 dup R ight l on. B aronet , h a d made him absolutely and irretrievably Pe, which he might have avoided had he merely taken the troubl e of reading the Mirror of Parliament. Being acquitted of the charge of cowardice, 50/. was given to him, not as part of the 11,0001. but from charitable motives as a gratuity from the Royal Bounty, and as such, t had been thankfully received by Mr. Dillon, who had given a i r eceipt for it, net on account, as the receipt which he would hand to the Hon. Baronet, would show. t Sir F. Burdett here walked across the House, and, taking the receipt from the Chancellor of the Exchequer, returned to his place, and scrutinized the document narrowly, amidst the laughter of the House.) The ease had been decided by the Duke of Wellington, against Mr. Dillon, who ,co9tinued to make applications mail be was informea that the Government would take no further notice el them ; he then applied to Lord Gre i f, and the first thing every new Governm ent was called upon to o (and he would give notice of this to the Hon. G en tl emen oppo site—(Hear an d a laugh)—was to revise the acts of their pre decessors, and they would find that those who w ere t h e most forward in claiming this revision generally hadtheworstcas f e o s, , but it mi g h t b e sa id th a t th e w h o l e t ur ned on the imputation cowardice, and that having been acquitted of d t..ll,,aiotnchoafrsgier, E. was entitled to a re-investigation after t h e , eodrington, Mr. Dill ..n had in 183 5, ap plied the : l- Ministry of Sir Robert Peel, and Sir R...bert Peelh al a r d ea d d e y ter e m em in:d to t . hat m h r e . al tw no reason for altering the decision VII t au th e n s tated th a t h d e t h r a us d t e ed x p t e h n e d , ed r re fe as u u r r thousandwouldapound i in m pros ecutinghi s claim, an Compensation pensation to at least that amou nt, .in reply to which Sir R. Peel e a( ' made the following minute . "Inform Mr. Dillon that his fu is decided, and request that he will abstai n . to m ir m ßo ak h i e n r g t ~,lt rther application Mr. Dillon again app lied __ . 1 eel a nd haeGer G overnment in March, 1835, and was again . unsuccessful soilsto , . as then told that in future satisfied hewou w ld ith re t c h e i i s v , en i o r. a D ns il le n r ' further applications. Not . gorcr. Sharman Crawford to bring . his case before b h e i f m ore o t h h e e C H h o a u n s_e liee_cornfm.tresE; Exchequer) that an withdrew the petition. explanation gentleman for hunted, Mr. Dillon prevailed uponlllr.dHefeaardteyd n ow ' w ard the case, and because hethhebrhinagd e Prevailed upon the Hon. Baronet was to againl be fore the t h e 11: ° . He trusted, a ft er the statements bring it made, vern eueu Gonse would be convinced Mr. Dillo n . t had his n p o et c it la i r n s . upon the t, and would therefore reje d c Zvir. L ITTON been made out by the t10n.% thought a case ha d h ad 1 B aronet for inquiry into the case o f Mr. A tr l i r h . u D na i l ll . on, which c: e,yet been brought before a prop er Chancellor of the Exche (lllo,l44Ln BOLDER() hoped the ' was honoutably ae q4itt would at least admit. that Mr. Dillon Th ad of the charges which had been brought aga h ins d t him . ady stated ° CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER a , in 1, a. ti that on two separate occasions. There was no l i m t (I ; nlion his character, either as an officer or a gent e P an e .— n. gentleman. — titled h eat.) All he contended for was, that he was n ot ~, ( 0 1 1 nr ,,,, Spe%irl, nIA.WiCuI'S BULIDETT replied; and in answer to the trouble' er's question, said he would not give the House the to divide.—(Cheers and laughter.) . Niinre m otion was then negatived without a division. _ A'', ', YAKLEY pres:nted a petition from J. Barnard, Esll• , toliiet-'hairman, and other Guardians and landowners, relative h ous e site which hail been chosen for the erection of a work tie ein the Uuion of Dunmow. The Hon. Member gave no se of a , motion on the subject for Tuesday week. MILITARY PENSIONS. - of Ce!Dta BOLDER() moved for a return, showing the amount rnrat,nrsio,nertvhat would _be awarded to sergeant-majors, quarter-, fo- t h eir r sergeants, sergeants, corporals, drummers, and privates, twee,icee in any regiment of the line, for the period of ehall-three years ; stating, in columns, their rank when dis setvigjd, date of enlistment, date of discharge, number of years' serg ean ts as private, drummer, corporal, sergeant, quartermaster tei!ant., and sergeant-major total period of service, amount . of I f rain if discharged at their own request, and amount of pension r, v e al d id e d es . Similar return for the Royal Marines. e n al ,, , aJWICK opposed the motion. ic , r'aflbn BO LDER() couId not conceive what possible ob • tir , A l :' .. , 4 • .er e e. t ad tied t be to te motion. His object was to bring -*" ', motion respecting the pensions granted to marim s ° 'how the House there was a vast distinction betwee n , - --"'”teeee.—_ the pensions granted to the line and the pensions granted to the marines. The Government wanted to defeat him in that object, and therefore threw every obstacle in his way. But he would take the sense of the House on the motion. Loud HOWICK did not oppose the motion from any desire to withhold from the House or the country any information respecting the pensions awarded to marines ; on the contrary all the information the Government could give was already on the table of the House. But his great objection to the motion was, because from the terms in which it was framed it was impossible to make any answer to it. Lord G. LENNOX was as strong an advocate of the ma rines as the Hon. and Gallant Member opposite could be, but he • would entreat him not to press the motion to a divi sion, for he was afraid the marines would not benefit by the result of it. Captain BOLDERO replied—He would alter the words " would be," to " have been," and that would meet the view of the Noble Lord. Mr. HUME suggested that the object of the Gallant Captain would be obtained by moving for returns of the last 50 or 60 marines who had been pensioned with the relative service. Capt. BOLDERO had no objection to adopt that course. Lord HOWICK said he would deal with the notice as he found it. If the Gallant Captain wished to make another motion, let him put a regular notice on the paper. Lord MAHON trusted the motion would not be pressed. Captain BOLDERO gave notice that he should on Monday move for a return of the last 100 men discharged in December last,,and withdraw his present motion. Mr. FINCH, in consequence of the absence of the President of the Board of Trade, postponed the motion of which he had given notice, that on the consideration of each Report of a Railway Bill, if power has been given by Parliament to the Company to borrow money in anticipation of calls of the capital stock, to bring up a clause to oblige the Directors to make calls of that part of the capital stock of the Company on security of which money shall have been borrowed by instalments of not less than five pounds each, at intervals of not longer than three months, and to apply the amount of them to the re-payment o the loan so borrowed. LONDON AND BIRMINGHAM RAILWAY. Mr. FINCH moved that the evidence taken before the London and Birmingham Railway Committee be printed. Mr. WILLIAMS seconded the motion. The Company had obtained large sums of money, and great powers affecting the public, and the evidence which had been given showed the use which they had made of those powers. He would not attach so much importance to the printing of this evidence had he not understood it was the intention of the Directors, on bringing up the Report of the Bill, to oppose a clause which had been unanimously agreed to by the Committee, as to the manner in which a million of money should be raised. He thought the public were entitled to know the nature of this property which was in the market like Consols, Sugar, or any other commo dity. He was astonished at the enormous powers given to these Companies as against the public at large, The evidence was given exclusively by the Directors and their servants, and he could not understand on what ground the mo tion was to be opposed. The question was then put and agreed to. LIGHTING THE HOUSE. Sir FREDERICK TRENCH said this was a question af fecting the health and safety of all the Members of this House. Considering the Hon. Member for Kilkenny the managing partner in this Bude light concern, he would appeal to him. He considered the light only fit for an assembly of eagles. He was the last man to object to the expense of experiments, but he did complain that he was denied the expenditure of a few shillings when the Hon. Member for Kilkenny could obtain an expenditure of hundreds without responsibility. The expense would be immense, and the danger of explosion was eonsidera ble. When they were lighted they must be watched ; so that either there must be a philosopher to each lens, or a peripatetic philosopher to superintend the whole of them. He had a com plaint to make. Sixty lights were withdrawn at the beginning of the Session; he was unable to obtain the restoration of the lights without a vote of the House. He intended now to wash his hands of all experiments for lighting the House, and would leave it to the Hon. Member for Kilkenny to make the best he could of the experiment he had now taken under his patronage. If the Bude light was found the best, in God's name let the pre sent plan be rejected and that light substituted in its room. The Hon. Member then withdrew his motion. Major CHETWYND moved for a Return of the names of the Colonels and other Officers of the different regiments of Militia in England and Vales; the dates of their seve:al Corn missions ; distinguishing those who have served in the House hold Brigade, the Line, or 'loyal Navy, together with the rank obtained by them in any of the above services, and whether on half pay at this time, or holding Commissions in any Yeomanry regiment, if so, the date of such Commission. After a few observations from Lord Howick, Col. Wood, Mr. Hume, and Major Chetwynd, the return was agreed to. PRISONS BILL. On the Motion that the House should resolve itself into a Committee on the Prisons Bill, Mr. DARBY wished to know whether it was the intention of the Noble Lord to go into a Committee at that late hour. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, he propozed now to postpone the 14th clause relative to Catholic clergymen to a future day, and to go through the other clauses that night as they had a full half hour before the usual time of adjourning. The House then went into Committee on the Bill, all the clauses of which, Nith the exception of the 14th, were agreed to Lord J. RUSSELL intimated his intention to take the dis cussion on the 14th clause on to-morrow se'nnight. The House then resumed ; the other orders of the day were disposed of and the House adjourned at 12 o'clock. It MAJESTY'S DRAWING ROOM Her Majesty and suite went in three carriages yesterday, from Buckingham Palace to St. James's Palace, and held a Drawing Room. Her Majesty was escorted by a party of the Life Guards. The Queen's Guard of the Grenadier Guards, and a Guard of Honour of the Life Guards, were on duty in the Colour Court, and the large Court-yard of the Palace, with the Bands of their p-spective Regiments, in State Uniforms. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge came to the Drawing Room accomanied by her R o y a l Hi g h ness the Princess Augusta of Cambrid g e. Their Royal Highnesses were at tended by Miss Kerr, and Major Stephens. The Duchess of Gloucester was attended by Lady Caroline Legge, and Colonel Sir Samuel G. Higgins. The Queen took her station in front of the Throne. In at tendence on her Majesty were the Marchioness of Normanby (in Waiting), Countess of "Chailemont, :Lady Portman, and Lady Lyttleton, Ladies of the Bedchamber, Hon. Miss Lister (in waiting), Hon. Miss Anson (in Waiting), Hon. Miss Pitt, on. Miss Cavendish, and the Hon. Miss Murray, Maids of Honour; Lady Harriet Clive (in Waiting), Hon. Mrs. Brand, Lady Caroline Barrington, Lady Gardiner, and Viscountess Forbes, Women of the Bedchamber, Earl of Uxbridge, Lord in Waiting, Colonel Armstrong, Groom in Waiting, Lord Alfred Paget, Equerry in Wai'ing, Master Cowell, and Master Ellice, Pages of Honour in Waiting. The Entree company were then introduced. _ _ The following Foreign Presentations to her Majesty took place in the Entree circle : Madame la Comtesse Arthur de Potocka, belle-sosur de Comte Woronzoff, by the Baroness de Biome, lady of the Danish Minister. _ _ _ Baron Langsdorff, Privy Councillor of the Grand Duke of Hesse, and formerly Minister Plenipotentiary at this Court, on his arrival in England, by Count Alandelsloh, the Wurtem berg Minister. Count Kinsky, a young Nobleman from Bohemia, by M. de Hummelauer, the Austrian Charge d'Affaires. The Drawing Room was attended by the Russian Ambassa dor, the Wurtemburg Minister, the Belgian Minister and Ma dame Van de Weyer, the Danish Minister and Barenrss Biome, the Bavarian Minister and Baroness de Cetto ; Mrs. Stevenson, the Lady of the American Minister ; the Sardinian, Hanove rian, and Spanish Ministers ; M. de Hummelauer, Austrian Charge d'Affaires ; Baron Bourqueney, French Charge d'Af faires ; Baron Rehausen, Swedish Charge d'Affaires ; Baron Werther, Prussian Charge d'Affaires; G. Capece Galeota dei Duchi di Regina, Sicilian Charge d'Affaires ; Prince J. Soutzo, Grecian Charge d'Affaires; Mr. B. Rush, Secretary of the United States Legation ; Count Revel, Secretary to the Sardinian Lega tion; Baron Bert ouch, Attache to the Danish Legation; Madame la Conitease de Zavadowsky ; Count Charles and Countess Pozzo di Borgo, Captain Gosselman, of the Royal Swedish Navy ; M. F. Pampillo, Attache to the Spanish Legation; Countess Woronzow, the Lord Chancellor, the. Lord Stewart, the Master of the Horse, the Captain of the Honourable Corp! of the Gen tlemen at Arms, Viscount Combermere, Gold Stick in Wait ing; the Vice Chamberlain, the Captain of the Yeoman Guard, the Treasurer of the Household, Honourable Edward Butler, Lieutenant of the Honourable Corps of Gen tlemen at Arms ; Sir Henry Parnell, Paymaster General; the Master of tte Ceremonies; Sir Thomas Reeve, Standard-bearer of the Honourable Corps of Gentlemen at Arms; Sir George Houlton, Ensign of the Yeomen Guard; Colonel Cavendish, the Clerk Marshal ; Mr. Rich, M.P., Groom in Waiting; Mr. James Bunce Curling, Clerk of the Cheque to the Honourable Corps of Gentlemen at Arms ; Mr. Ellerthorp, Cle k of the Cheque to the Yeomen Guard; Cap tain Sir Andrew Green, K. C. H., Naval Aide-de-Camp in Waiting ; Colonel Baker, Royal Wilts Yeomanry, Aide-de- Camp to the Queen ; Sir Benjamin Smith, the Dean of Here- Colonelm r a d rsh D al e p lloa u fi yt, leerhe Ceremonies o Stick t ; e , Majorl o a c l t a7n i y n dic w , cA T h a n ; . austteenraann Equerryd to her Majesty the Queen ' Dowager ; Thomas_ ' Horsley Curteis and Mr. Parker NuttalL i E t x i rs of the Yeomen Guard ; Captain Highness eonfrysuDsseilxlo.n,the S t i h r e W. Duk ti e . Re . ; t i r i erri , to his Royal Chaplain in Ordinary; the Solicitor-General I C Gh . e Deving, ueen uDowager;sherof. Privy yCoclohnaeml Chamber; F c re a d p e tai rie n k , Mr. enl s timr the LiP P u r t i " wood, Lieut.-Colonel Diggle, and Mr. Strachan, Gentlemen Ushers (in Waiting) to the Queen; Sir John Alorillyon Wilson C. 8., Gentleman Usher t o th e Q ueen D owager ; the Hon. the Lord Prevost of Glasgow, and the following DUCHESSES.—Somerset, Rozburghe, Richmond, Dowager Richmond. MARCHIONESSES—Winchester, Lansdowne, Cholmondeley. COUNTESSES—PIymouth, Rosebery, Morton, Manvers Sur rey, (Lucy) Wi n t er t on , D ar li ngton, Beauchamp, Eldon, 'Gros venor, Bridgewater, Galloway. 111ansfield. ViscouNTEsszs—Alilton, Dowager Dillon, Beresford, Dun garvan, Eastnor. BARONESS—De Clifford. LADlES—Teignmouth, Rivers, Fitzwygram, B. Johnstone, Mary Pierrepont, Gardner, Charlotte rumour, Henderson, Durham, Mary Menck, Anna Maria Courtenav, Anne Prim rose, Grey Egerton, Elizabeth Hope Vere, Mary Thomp son, Cecilia Underwood, Otway, M. Stanley, Kemeys Elizabeth S m yth, M. M arsham, Alunro, Buchan, Hepburn,' Watson, Fred. Watson, Johiffe. Langham, Augusta Scott, W. Bulkeley, H. M. Scott, G. S. Stanley, Sudeley, Herries, A. Poulett, C. G. Lennox, J. Walsh, M. Walpole, Eleanor Grosvenor, M. West, Louisa Duncombe, Caroline Stewart, Anne Mackenzie, K. Jermyn, Elizabeth Repton, Canning, Mary Grosvenor, Theresa Lister, W .Powlett, Hall, Mosley, Clayton East, Begot, Stirling, M. H. Williams, Peel, Hather ton, Graham, Knightley, Cottenham, Fuller, Coote, F. Rus sell, Elizabeth Wathen, Thomas Hay, Dowager de Clifford, F. Egetton, Lyttleton, Sophia Windham, C. Somerset, Heytes bury, Dowager Ellenborough, King, (2) Berkeley, (3) Murray, Clerk, H. Paget, C. W. Fitzwilliam, Stephenson, J. Hay, S. De Rothsay, G. Douglas, H. Baring. HONOUKABLES.—Mrs. Coulson, Mrs. Smith, Mrs. Maule, Miss Abercromby, Mrs. George Hope, Mrs. Peelle'', Mrs. Ed ward Petre, Miss Hanbury Tracy, Miss Fanny Hanbury Tracy, Mrs. Maunsell, Ram s d en , Mrs. Langdale, Mrs. Lady Black wood, Phipps, Anne Law, Mrs. E. Mrs. S. &thin st, be , Miss Smythe, Mrs. L. Stanhope, M rs . E. 40 Hobhouse, Airs. Mackenzie, Miss A'Court, M rs. Carleton, Miss Littleton. L La it d Ltletounm. MISTRESSES.—D. Tyssen, Blomfield, J. W. Birch, R. Bid dulph, Farrer, E. Vansittart Neale, F. Grant, Scott, F. Walpole, C. G. Wynne, Edward Majoribanks, Otter, Cum ming Bruce, Strutt, Dunlop, Pakington, William Dickson, William Erie, 0. Wombwell, Ellwood, Lothian Dickson, L. Fawcett, Plumer Ward, Bulkeley, Biddulph, Andrew Bu chanan, J. L. Starr, Harrison, W. G. Hayter, A. Sk a ith, Dashwood, H. Lambton, Davidson, George Mildmay. Mills, Gurdon, Peyton, G. Bankes, Egerton, Mellish, Thistlethwayte, Hulton, Dawson, H. Elphinstone, B. Paget, B. Reynardson, W. Heneage, Villiers, H. Alsager, G. White, Leslie, Gage, J. Clayton, Anson, Merewether, C. Middleton, C. Archer, N. Sutton. MlSS ES — Fountaine, Fitzwvgram, Augustus Fitzwygram Erskine, J osep hi ne Erskine, Harriet Hope Vere, Sophia Hope Vere, oetavia:ley, riot Majoribauks,A Caroline Alos.ky, Letita Otwa), Mar tha St uart Otway, Maose Wnne, Charlotte nne, Har melia 2 , lajori y banks, Constanc y Biddulph, THE SUN, LON D f 1 **IT 'di% I' 3, ~ k 1 Ja. Fanny Smyth, Evans, Coutts, Cumming Bruce, Laura This tlethwayte, Langham, Albina Evans, Skinner, Frances Paget, Harriot Paget, Blackwood, Eliza Harriot Dickson, Georgiana Beresford, Rivers, Dickson, Augusta Rivers, Throckmorton, Blacker, J. Blacker, Collingwood, Langdale, Carleton, Hill, Sykes, Charlotte Langdale, Marrian Mildmay, Beresford, Peel, Gage, Miles, J. Reynardson, Ellen Mills, Coote, Archer, Wombwell, H. Vernon, Caroline Cl:l3,ton, Alston, H. Alston, Barham, Clerk, Isabella Clerk, C. Ramsden, Jones, Frankland, Caroline Frankland, Gossett, J. Gos.set, Hay, Walpole, West, Sophia Walpole, Fuller, A. Stephenson, E. Stephenson, Heys, B. Reynardson, G. Bagot, C. Begot, C. Leslie, Emma B. Reynardson, Halton, Isabella Sutton, Anne Marie Sutton, Louisa Stanley, Emmeline Stanley, Knightley, Stuart, Lyttel ton, L. Lyttelton, (2) S. Stanley. DoxEs—Roxburgh, Somerset. MA RQUIS Is—Granby, Headfort, Lansdowne, Normanby, Cholmondeley, Queensberry. EARLS—Beauchamp, Fitawilliam, Huntingdon, Grosvenor, Eldon, Jermyn, Galloway, Manvers. VISCOUNTS—MiIton, Beresford, Marsham, Castlereagh, Strangford, Palmerston. Loans—Teignmouth, Byron, Dinorben, Hill, Wm. Pow.. ett, Hatherton. Ho NOU RABLES—CoI. Leicester Stanhope, C. 8., Wm. Dun combe, M.P., Rev. H. Cust, Edmund Phipps. Slits—J. B. Johnstone, Robert Fitzwyygram, Bart., Jas. Graham, Arthur Chichester, Oswald Moseley, Bart., P. Grey Egerton, D. Hill, E. Monck, B. Hall, G. Clerk, E. East, J. Walsh, W. Clayton, T. Hepburn, R. Russell, W. Stirling, C. Coote, W. Gossett. REV. Docroas_Kuper, Dodsworth. REV. MESSIEURS—A. Walbaum, J. Harrison, W. Hutching, W. Ellis. DOCTOR—Lardller. MESSIEURS—Wm. Eric, M. P. Q. C., Coulson, J. W. Birch, C. G. Wynne, F. Walpole, Collingwood, Bulkeley, E. Majoribanks, G. Hope, Smythe, E. Vansittart Neale, Bid dulph, Robert Biddulph, Mackenzie, H. Story, G. Re bon, IL Elphinstone, West, G. Bankes, P. Mills, Eger ton, G. West, A. Robinson, Alston, Bedingfield, Lucas, T. Evans, B. Baker, E. Hobhouse, G. Bushe, R. Alston, H. Lambton, W. Heneage, R. C. Scarlett, Hulton, G. Repton, Pakington, Robinson, D. Jones, S. Stanley, Chichester, C. Middleton, S. Sadler, C. Scott. ADMIRALS. —Sir Philip H. Durham, Sir John Beresford, Sir R. Otway. GENERALS.—Dickson, Sir Edw. Paget, Sir H. Watson, Sir J. O'Halloran Hon. Sir W. Lumley, Si r G. A nson, B. Reynardson, Sir d. Dalbiac, White. COLONELS.—Sir Saml. G. Higgins, Buckley, Sir F. Wat son, J. Leander Starr, Scott, Elwood, Hankey, Sir W. Her ries, Anson. Maaoßs.—Stephens, Phibbs, Hartley. CAPTAINS—DanieI Tyssen, R. Alsager, M.P., R. Maun sell, C. Berkeley, L. Dickson, Sir W. Jolliffe, F. Hamilton, 0. Harcourt, Culpeper, Deans, J. Badcock, Vernon ' H. Ste phens, Mackinnon, M. White, Meynell, A. Wathon, Sir J. Vassall, G. Mildmay, Shirreff, C. Knox, Middleton, Sir E. Parry. COMMANDERS—Otway, 11. Douglas. LIEUTENANTS—Peyton, Charteris, Place, Jones, J. Freese, Falconer, M. Archdale, M'Donald, J. Clayton. EsTsscisr—M‘Dougall. The following Ladies were presented to the Queen : Viscountess Milton, on her marriage, by L a dy M ary Th ompson. Lady Teignmouth, by the Marchioness of Cholmondeley. Lady Rivers, by Lady Stephenson. Lady Mary Thompson by the Countess of M or t on . The Marchioness of Winchester, by the Countess of Darlington. Hon. Mrs. Coulson, by her mother, Lady Byron. Hon. Miss Abercromby, by her sister, Hon. Mrs. Maule. Hon. Mrs. Smyth, by Lady Elizabeth Smyth. Hon. Miss Hanbury Tracy, by her mother, Lady Sudeley. Hon. Miss Fanny Hanbury Tracy, by her mother, Lady Sudeley. Hon. Mrs. Edward Petre, by the Countess of Surrey. Mrs. Robert Biddulph, by Mrs. Biddulph. Mrs. Daniel Tyssen, by Mrs. Hamilton Story. Mrs. Francis Grant, by Lady Katharine Jermyn. Mrs. William Erle, by the Marchioness of Lansdowne. Mrs. Edward Vansittart Neale, by her mother, Mrs. Farrer. Mrs. Scott, by her mother, Lady Maria Stanley. Mrs. Francis Walpole, by Lady Maria Best. Mrs. Cumming Bruce, by the Duchess of Hamilton. Miss Fountaine, by Mrs. Hamilton Story. Miss Erskine, by Lady Mosley Miss Josephine Erskine, by Lady Mosley. Miss Sophia Hope Vere, by Lady Elizabeth Hope Vere. Miss Harriet Hope Vere, by Lady Elizabeth Hope Vere. Miss Caroline Mosley, by Lady Mosley. Miss Octavia Mosley, by Lady Mosley. Miss Charlotte Wynne, by her mother Mrs. C. G. Wynne. Miss Maunsell, by her mother, the Hon. Mrs. Maunsell. Aliss Amelia Majoribanks, by Mrs. Edward Majoribanks. Miss Harriet Majoribanks, by Mrs. Edward Majoribanks. Miss Cummi ng B ruce , b y her mother, Mrs. Cumming Bruce. Miss Constance Biddulph, by her mother, Mrs. Biddulph. Miss Fanny Smyth, by her mother, Lady Elizabeth Smyth. Miss Martha Stuart Otway, by her mother, Lady Otway. Lady Sudeley, by Lady Maria Stanley. Lady Augusta Scott, by the Countess of Beauchamp. Lady Joliffe, by Mrs. Berkeley Paget. Lady Watson, by the Countess of Plymouth. Lady Frederick Watson, by the Countess of Plymouth. Mrs. Harrison, by Lady Knightley. Mrs. Lothian Dickson, by Lady George Murray. Baroness de Clifford, by the D owager L a d y de Clifford. Lady Kemeys, by the Countess of Surrey. Miss Lavinia Lyttelton, by her moth er , L a d y L yttelton. Miss Hulton, by Lady Frances Egerton. Hon. Mrs. Maunsell, on being raised to the rank of a Viscount's daughter, by Lady Knightley. Lady Georgina Douglas, by her mother, the Marchioness of Queensbery. Lady Clerk, by the Countess of Mansfield. Miss Clerk, by Lady Clerk. Lady Sophia Windham,. by Lady Katherine Jermyn. Miss Isabella Clerk, by Lady Clerk. Miss Caroline Clayton, by the Countess of Charlemont. Miss Ellen Miles, by her mother, Mrs. Miles. Miss Sykes, by the Countess of Albemarle. Miss Hill, by the Countess of Albemarle. Miss Carleton, by her mother, Mrs. Carleton. Lady Thomas Hay, by Lady Byron. Miss Caroline Frankland, by her mother, Lady Frankland Russell. Miss Emma Birch Reynardson, by her mother, Mrs. Birch Reynardson. Lady Buchan Hepburn, by the Hon. Mrs. Hope. Hon. Mrs. Langdale, by Lady Petre. Lady Elizabeth Wathen, by Lady Anna Maria Courtenay. Mrs. George Mildmay, by the lion. Mrs. Ashley. Mrs. Richard Alsager, by the Countess of Eldon. Mrs:llulton by Lady Fran ces E ger t on . Mrs. Gco. Bankes , by the Count ess o f F a l mou th. Mrs. Gurdon, by the Countess of Albemarle. Mrs. Plumer Ward, by the Countess of Rosebery. Mrs. Davidson, by the Marchioness of Normanby. Mrs. Dashwood, by the Hon. Lady Blackwood. Mrs. William Goodenough llayter, by the Marchioness of Lansdowne. Mrs. J. Leander Starr, by the Marchioness of Normanby. Mrs. Andrew Buchanan, on her marriage, by Lady Canning. Mrs. Lynar Fawcett, by Mrs. Hamilton Story. Mrs. Elwood, by her sister, Mrs. Howard Elphinstone. Mrs. William Dickson, by Viscountess Forbes. Mrs. Pakington, by Lady Harriet Clive. Mrs. Dunlop, of Craigton, by her Grace the Duchess of Somerset. Mrs. Strutt, by her mother, Mrs. Otter. Lady Munro, by the Marchioness of Lansdowne. Miss Marianne Alidmay, by Mrs. George Mildmay. Miss Langdale, by Lady Petre. Miss Charlotte Langdale, by Lady Petre. Miss Rivers, by her mother, Lady Rivers. Miss Augusta Rivers, by her mother, Lady Rivers. Aliss Laura Thistlethwayte, by Mrs. Thistlethwayte. Miss Collingwood, by Lady Mary Monck. Miss Throckmorton, by the Marchioness of Normanby. Miss Blacker, by the Countess of Huntingdon. Miss J. Blacker, by the Countess of Ifuntingdon. Miss Dickson, by Mrs. W. Dickson. Aliss Eliza Harriet Dickson, by her mother, Mrs. William Dickson. Miss Evans, by the Countess of Surrey. Lady Hall, by Lady Fanny Howard. Miss Albinia Evans, by the Countess of Surrey. Lady Mary Grosvenor, by the Countess Grosvenor. Lady Theresa Lister, by Mrs. Villiers. Miss Martha Stuart Otway, by Lady Otway. Lady Elizabeth Repton, by the Countess of Eldon. Lady Caroline Stewart, by the Countess of Galloway. Lady Eleanor Grosvenor, by the Countess Grosvenor. Lady Stirling, by the Countess of Albemarle. Lady Louisa Duncombe, by the Countess of Galloway. Lady Anne Mackenzie, o n h er marr i age, b y her sister, Lady Mary Thompson. Miss Anne Maria Sutton, by her mother, Mrs. Nassau Sutton. Mrs. Merewether, by the Marchioness of Lansdowne. Lady Clayton East, by the Countess of Plymouth. Mrs. Peyton, on her marriage, by her mother, Lady Clayton East. Mrs. Bulkeley, by Lady Clayton East. 'Como. The Queen gave audiences to the Earl of Belfast, the Earl of Albemarle, and the Field Officer in Waiting, and the Cap tain of the Guard. Her Majesty and suite returned to Buckingham Palace after the Drawing Room. Mr. Stevenson, the American Minister, transacted business yesterday at the Foreign and Colonial Departments, and had a long interview with the Chancellor of the Exchequer in Down ing -street. LADIES' DRESSES. HER MAJESTY. - - • Dress of white net over rich white satin, elegantly trimmed with silver blonde and white roses, the body and sleeves splen didly ornamented with diamonds and blonde • train of sky-bl ue crape over blue satin, trim me d w ith silver face and white roses to correspond. Headdress, feathers, diamonds, and lappets. H. R. H. PRINCESS AUGUSTA OF CAMBRIDGE. —Court costume, composed of a tulle dress over satin, and trimmed all round with tulle and two small wreaths of blush and pink roses en tablier; train and body of rich pink watered silk, trimmed with tulle and roses ; body and sleeves ornamented with blonde. Headdress, plume of feathers, blonde lappets, and diamonds. H. R. H. THE DUCHESS OF KENT.—Court dress, composed of a white crepe lisse dress, over satin, trimmed with blonde and folds of mais and white crepe lisse ; train and bo dy . of rich mais and white b roc k a d e d sat i n, lined with satin and trimmed with crepe lisse body and sleeves trimmed with blonde. Head dress, plume of feathers, blonde lappets, and parure of ame thysts and diamonds. The whole of British manufacture. H. R. N. THE DUCHESS or CasirnuancE.._.A rich gold tissue dress, train of crimson velvet, body and sleeves richly ornamented ;with diamonds. Headdress, a splendid tiara of pearls and diamonds, plume of feathers, and blonde lappets. Spitalficlds manufacture. DUCHESS OF SOMERSET.—Court dress, composed of white brocaded silk dress, of Bristol manufacture, trimmed with three Chantilly blonde flounces; train and body of magnificent Pom padour, brocaded in lilac, with bouquets of silver lama. Head dress, a plume of white feathers, wreath of lilac and silver leaves and blonde lappets, and an entire parure of pearls mounted as grapes and vine leaves. DUCHESS or Rictratown.—A rich amber satin train, lined with rich white Bros de Naples, and trimmed with bouffants of tulle illusion; corsage a la Sevigne, rich silver blonde berthe and sabots, with scduisantes ; dress of rich silver lama, with a deep silver lama volant, over rich satin. H ea dd ress, plume of fea thers, rich silver blonde lappets, and diamonds. MARCHIONESS OF QUEENSBERT.—A black tulle t'ertelle dress, over a rich satin slip, trimmed en tablier with jet flowers and silver wheat ; manteau of superb'black satin, trimmed with silver dentelle. Headdress, ostrich feathers, silver dentelle lappets, and diamonds. MARCHIONESS OF NORMANBY.—Train of rich pink satin, trimmed wilh point lace; petticoat of point lace over white satin; berthe and ruffles of the same. Headdress, feathersand point lace lappets, with ornaments of diamonds. COUNTESS OF BRIDGWATER.—A manteau of rich violet reps brochee silk, lined with white satin and trimmed round with gold : mantilla and ruffles of beautiful gold blonde ; dress of white satin, with a deep blonde flounce and gold heading. Headdress, gold lama toque, lappets, feathers, and diamonds. COUNTESS or Rosterany.—Train of rich black satin, ornamented with bugles ; bodice of the same with crape bertha and sabots: petticoat of crape, elegantly trimmed with bugles. Headdress, feathers and crape lappets; ornaments, jet. DEPUTATION TO LORD MEL BOURNE FOR URGING THE ADOPTION OF THE UNIFORM PENNY POSTAGE. A deputation from the City of London Uniform Penny Postage Committee, attended by Mr. Warburton and aheut 150 other members of the House of Commons, yesterday waited on Lerd Melbourne. Among the gentlemen eho attended were the following members of the Mercantile Committee Pattison M. P., W. H. Ashurst, F'rede. rick L. Cole, J. Dillon, Gledstaries, Listock, Moffatt, J. Travers, W. A. Wilkinson, mid Leatock Wilson. Of the Members of the House of Commons, the following names were ascertained :—H. Aglionby, R. Archbold, E. Baines, F. B. Beamish, J. Bowes, W. B. Brodie, R. M. Bellew, H Bridgman, C. Buller, J. Brotherton, T. Bewes, Major Bryan, E. S. Cayi e y, W. G. Craig, J. Collier, Raikes Currie, W. C urry, Sir J. Campbell, Attorney-General, W. Collins, H. Chester, Sir E. Codrington, E. Divert, T. Duncombe. F. Dundas, Hon. C. Dundas. J. Dennis toun, J. Duff, Right Honourable E. Ellice, W. Ellis, W. Ewart, H. Elphinstone, J. Easthcpe, Lord Euston, G. Evans, S d F . Finch, R. F erguson, R . C. Ferguson, A. Goddar, ir John Guest, T. M. Gibson, A. Hastie, J. Hume, T. B. Hobhouse, W. G. Hayter, W. Hutton T. L. Hodges, C. Hindley,Hrvey, E. Horsman, Lord M. Hill, C. J. Hector, B. Hawes, a J. Hcathcoat, G. Houston, P. Howard, A. Kinnaird, J. S. Lefevre, C. Langdale, Sir W. Aloleswortls, W. Marshall, P. St. John Mildmay, G. A. Muskett, H. Marsland, Major Macnamare, A. Mur ray, D. O'Connell, M. J. O'Connell, Morgan O'Connell, Maurice O'Connell, J. O'Connell, W. S. O'Brien, J. Phil potts, F. Palmer, M. Philips, J. Pease, J. Power, J. Rarnshottom, E. Rice, J. Roche, Sir D. Roche, E. B. Roche, W. Roche, J. Rundle, J. Stewart, W. R. C. Stansfield, E. A. Sandford, E. Strutt, Colonel Salwey, Sir J. Seale, Sir G. Strickland, J. Scholetield, Sir C. Styles, Lord J. Stuart, A. Spiers, B. Smhh, H. W. Tancred, T. Thornelv, C. P. Villiers, N. A. Vigors, H. Warburton, H. G. Ward, Alderman Sir M. Wood, W. Williams, R. Walker, T. E. Winnington, A. White, W. Wilahere, A. Yates. The Chancellor of the Exchequer and Mr. F. Baring were present at the interview. Mr. Warburton stated that he had been requested to in troduce the deputation in the absence of Mr. Wallace ; and then in a very clever and forcible manner represented the objects of the deputation. He stated that the plan pro posed by Mr. R. Hill had been thoroughly examined, its adoption had been recommended by the Parliamentary Committee, and in proportion as it had become known it had received the sanction and support of public opinion ; and that opinion had become so general and so strong, that the very numerous attendance of Members of Parliament, in addition to the deputation from the Mercantile Com mittee, was the result. They were there to evidence to his Lordship the strong interest felt by the several con stituencies, and by the commercial and trading interests, for the adoption of this measure. The Parliamentary Com mittee had been assisted by a Committee of Merchants, who had been able, from their high respectability and great influence, to produce a great body of evidence in support of the proposal, and showing its vital importance to the commercial and trading interests of the country. He pressed this matter upon his Lordship's at tention on its own merits, as well as fro m a conviction that it would be felt and received from the highest to the lowest as a boon, if conceded now. To the poor he might say in particular it would be an invaluable concession, and one that would be received, from whoever should concede it, as a highly popular measure. If he might be pardoned for making the observation upon such an occasion, he would say it would be a concession so wise, that it would be well calculated to make any Government justly popular, and he would strongly urge it as a measure which a Liberal party had a just right to expect from a Liberal Administration. There was no measure that could be immediately granted, the benefits of which would be so extensively felt, or that would be so well calculated to remove, in a considerable degree, that discontent which it could not be denied or disguised now existed. As to the revenue, that was a consideration not to be overlooked or lightly considered, and it had been well considered by the Pal liamentary as well as the Mercantile Committee. The returns of the advertisement duty for -five years before and the five years next following the repeal showed that the reduction of the duty, slight as that reduction was, compared with the reduction now proposed on postage, had converted a slightly decreasing retut n into an increasing product; it had increased, and in the last year, 1838, was still increasing. He then referred to the im portance'of the testimony of Sir Edward Lees, the Post office Secretary for Scotland, and said the result of the whole in the minds of those who had maturely and fully considered the matter was, that a penny postage for the whole of the three kingdoms was the only safe sum in a fiscal point of a view. Mr. TRATERS, as one of the London Mercantile Com mittee, could assure his Lordship that this matter had been maturely considered by men of great commercial experience, and that the conviction was general that the revenue would be Pale at a penny, but that two pence would not yield the great results commercially which a penny, in his judgment, would certainly yield. , He should be afraid of obtaining his Lordship's belief if, on an occasion like the present, requiring a subdued expression of conviction as to results yet to be produced, he was to state the extent of his own confident anticipa- , tions ; but he would assure his Lordship that the conces. sion would not only enable merchants and traders to do their business much better, but also greatly enlarge the quantity done. The increase to the general revenue from that would not escape his Lordship. But one grave and serious evil would not be removed by a two-penny rate— that was evasion and smuggling. His Lordship could have no adequate idea of the extent to which the present heavy ratei forced the smuggling practice upon ali—not the smaller traders only—he did not except himself; and though he was not to be classed amongst the highest or the lowest, those of greater as well as those of less exten sive commercial importance were driven to this practice, and a penny only would, by removing the cause, remove he effect, and bring this large class of corresponding into the Post-office. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL represented in very strong terms the sentiments of his constituents in Edinburgh in favour of an uniform pennypostage, and that the feeling there was not limited to political party, bui, was general and intense. Mr. MARK PHILLIPS then stated several important facts relative to the extent of the evasion forced upon the com mercial and trading interests of Manchester and Liverpool, shoeing the impossibility of preserving the correspon dence of the country to the Post-office unless this plan was adopted. Mr. O'CONNELL, from a distant part of the room, which was delyuly crowded, stood upon a chair, sod said—One word for Ireland, my Lord. My peer countrymen do not smuggle, for the high postage works a total prohibition to them. They are too poor to find out secolocl4ry convey ances, and if you shut the Post-office to them, which you do now, you shut cut warm hearts and generous s fft etions from home, kindred, and friends. Consider, ray Lord, that a letter to Ireland, and the answer back, would cost thousands upon thousand s o f my poor and a ff ectionate countrymen considerably more than a fifth of their week's wages ; and let any gentleman here ask himself what would be the influence upon his correspolidence if, for ev er y letter he wrote, he o r hi s f amily had I to pay one-fifth of a week's Mr. Ht'ME then produced sorne statistical details, con. firming Mr. Warburton's conclusions. Mr. MOFFATT, the treasurer of the London Mercantile Committee, said that if Government felt any doubt about the ultimate safety of the revenue, and had no difficulty in farming it out, there would be no difficulty in London in finding a body of high mercantile character to carry out the plan proposed, with the same security to the public for safe conveyance, and not to exceed the charge proposed of one penny; and also to secure to the Government the full amount of revenue which is now derived from the Post office department. Lord. MELnounNE said that the able manner in which tbe subject bad been brought under the attention of her Maj, , sty's Government by Mr. Warburton would secure for it the most serious attention, if its own importance did not. It was one of great moment in a commercial, literary, and social view, and he could not but feel for these interests which had been so ably brought into view by the gentlemen who had spoken, and particularly for those whieb.had been so feelingly expressed by the Honourable Member far Dublin. It would be ob vious to all present—indeed they had shown it was present to their minds—that the revenue must, for the safety of all, be provided for and made safe ; and that was a considera tioa, he might say, nearly as much to be borne in mi n d b y the gentlemen of the House of Commons, so many of whom were now present, as of h er IVl:ljastY's Governme n t. Of course the Deputation would not expect him to express it d s em importance nee Ti and n d the any opinion on thi s occas i on ; b ut t h e y mi g h t re l y upon the subject receiving t h at attent i on many interest s connecte d w i t h it Go vernment had already discussed it—they had come to no adverse conclusion—they would further consider it, and could not fail to give a very careful consideration to the statements which had been made at that interview. The Deputation then retired. A strong feeling evidently pervaded the room in re ference to Mr. Warburton's allusion to the just expectation of this important measure being conceded by a Liberal Go vernment. He was then loudly cheered. The average of rye 13f. 58c• Mice of BRUSSELS, - APRIL 30. still duty free, wheat last week was 24f. 29c.,, and per hectolitre. The importation, therefore, i s and exportation prohibited. The transformation of oats into barley, it is said, b , accomplished in the following manner. They are may t. in the tva to be sown late, and cut twice__ . Y of grass, before they come into car ; the following season u they will be changed into barley. Others affirm that it is only neces sary sow oats in the lat ter p art of the sary month of June in order to effect this change. —Athenourn FIRE AT THE MANNHEIM THEATRE. Not of the decorations r many evenings since some o• the. theatre learn by letterf at i Mannheirn4as we a _ corn t h at place, caught fire, and the greater portion of te audience left the house in precipitation. The Dowager Grand Duchess of Baden, who was in her box, remained undisturbed, although urged to retire, but her niece, the Princess of Hesse Dart-est:4dt, was so terrified that she nearly fell into hysterics. The filmes were soon extinguished, but during the fire. four young children, who were performing in a fairy pieco, were left suspended in the air, in the m idst of the flames, screaming with fright, and their mothers, terrified to death, rushed on the stage to rescue them from d anger. PROGRESS OF OMNIBUS TRAVELLING. An Omnib us , on the London construction, has been recently built, with an intention of being run between hemp-town and Brunswick, seur.ra ; but it has not yet commenced, we understand,o f io cons ec p once, a doubt existing whether the by-laws relative to flys w ill not prevent its use. —Brighton Gazette.—.[We see by an advertisement in an Aberdeen papers that a similar vo'niole is ;,bout to be started there.) • The Manchester Guardian stags, that on Saturday and Monday night last, in R oc h dz. Thrker Place, fir: , -.- rms and dagger-canes were puhliely (ff;;-ed or sale, at one of the meek auction stall.; ; and the canes found a ready sale at 6d. each. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE TATTER SALL'S—(YESTERDAy.) 5 to 1 agst Mr. G. Clark's Dragsman—taken 8 to 1 agst Lord Jersey's Caesar —taken 9 to 1 agst Corsair —taken 9 to 1 agst Col. Peel's The Dey of Algiers—taken 10 to 1 agst Euclid—taken 18 to 1 agst Fuiwar Craven's Deception—takea 20 to 1 agst Bulwark 2.5 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Erin-go-Bragh 25 to 1 agst Marquis of Westminster' s Sleight of Hand 25 to 1 agst Sir G. Heathcote's Valaincourt—taken 25 to 1 agst Ilderum—taken 25 to 1 agst Xther—taken 25 to 1 agst Air. Watt's Clara 25 to 1 agst Charlotte West 35 to 1 agst Westonian 35 to 1 agst Mr. Dixon's Camellino—taken 40 to 1 agst Lcrd Albemarle's Domino —taken 40 to 1 agst Melbourne-50 to 1 taken 50 to 1 agst King of Kelton—taken 50 to 1 agst Marquis of Westminster's Lord Mayor—taken 1000 to 10 agst Peon—taken 1000 to 10 agst Dart--taken 1000 to 10 agst Bosphorus—taken 1000 to 10 agst Taunton—taken 1000 to 15 agst Wapiti—taken NEWMARKET SECOND SPRING MEETING, TIIURSDAT. The Jockey Club Plate of .50 sous., for horses the property cf Members of the Jockey Club. B. C. Lord Exeter's Adrian, 5 yrs. Bst. 3lb (Robinson) 1 Mr. Thornhill's Egeria, 5 yrs., Bst. 31b 2 Betting-5 to 4on Adrian, who made all the running, and won cleverly by a length. Fifty Pounds, for three-year-olds, fist. 21b. i • four, Bst. ; five, Bst. 71b. ; six and ag e d, fi st. 121 b. T.M.M. Duke of Grafton's Drogheda, 3 yrs Mr. Thornhil's Egotist, 3 yrs Mr. Batson's Barbican, 3 yrs 3 The following also startjd, but were not placed:—Duke of Portland's St. Peray, 4 yrs. ; Lord Exeter's f. by Reveller, 3 yrs. ; Mr. Ed war d s ' s f. b y A greea bl e, 3 yrs. ; and Lord Strad broke's 10, 3 yrs. Betting-2 to 1 agst. 10, 3to 1 asst. St. Peray, 5 to 1 agst. Drogheda, and 5 to 1 agst. Agreeable. The lot got off nearly abreast, with the exception of Lord Exeter's filly, vi hich was in the rear throughout. St. Peray led the van to the ditch, where Io took his place, the ruck keeping with him till near the cords, when they broke. At the cords Drogheda and Egotist were singled out, and made the race home so fine that the filly won by a head only. Barbican was an indifferent third. Handicap Sweepstakes of 10 sovs. each, for three years old and upwards. T. Y. C. (5 Subs.) Lord Tavistock's All-Fours, 8 yrs, Est. 71b (Cotton) 1 Lord Exeter's Corban, 5 yrs., 7st. 121 b. Mr. Thornhill's Saintfoin, 4 yrs., Bst. 41b Betting--5 to 4on All-Fours, 2to 1 against Corban, and 4 to 1 against Saintfoin. Corban cut out all the work to the ropes, when the other two joined issue; All-Fours left them after running a few strides abreast, and won cleverly by a length. Sweepstakes of 25 sovs, each, for two-yrs.-old colts, Bst. 71b., and fillies, Sst. 41b. T. Y. C. (3 Subs. ) Mr. Rayner's Ten-Pound Note (Robinson) I Lord Stradbroke's Miss Romer Lcrd Exeter's b. c. Raymond . 3 Petting —2 to 1 on Ten-Pound Note, who had all his own way, and won easy. ednesa Night The followi ng i s a b r i e f return of a wretched d day's spo y rt : . Handicap Plate of W. for 3 yrs. old an d upwar d s. A. F . Lord Tavistock's Gimcrack, 4yrs., 6st. 71b.... ...... (Cotton) 1 Col. Peel's I-am-not-aware, 4 yrs., let. 91b. Betting-7 to 4on I-am-not-aware (ene bet of 7to 4 was laid by mistake, we believe, on Gimcrack.) Grimerack made the running till near the bushes, where l am-not-aware headed him, and kept in front to the cords ; here Gimcrack resumed his original position, and won cleverly by a length. A few horses were put up for sale this morning, and the Duke of Portland's f. by the Colonel, dam by Reveller, out of Veil, knocked down for 24 guineas. The other lots excited no interest. General Yates's Canute, while at exercise at seven o'clock this morning, was taken ill, and died about eleven o'clock. The rupture of a blood-vessel is stated to have been the cause of his death. DERBY BETTING. 11 to 1 agst. Mr. G. Clark's Dragsman 7 to 1 Lord Jersey's Cwsar 12 to 1 Mr. Thornhill's Euclid—taken 25 to 1 Duke of Grafton's 2Ether 6 to 4 on Dragsman agst. Euclid—taken 6 to 4 on Ca sar agst. Euclid—taken YORK SPRING MEETING—WEDNESDAY. Sweepstakes of 10 sovs. each for two-year old 6st. 31b. ; and three, Bst. 31b. T. Y. C. (7 Subs. ) Mr Allen's b. 1. Antigua, by Mulatto, 3 yrs. (J. Marson) 1 Mr. Smith's b. c. by Margrave, 3 yrs Lord Eglinton's b. g. Uriah, by Priam, 3 yrs. Mr. Attwood's b. f. Armella, by Physician, 3 yrs. Betting-15 to 6 agst. Antigua, 3to 1 amp-. Margrave colt, and 3to 1 agst. Uriah. Won by a length. The York Oaks Stakes of 50 sovs. each, h. ft. with 50 added for three-year-old fillies, Bst. 41b. Heats, mile and a half. (5 subs.) Mr. Smith's Margaret, by Margrave (Templeman) 1 Mr. Cooke's br. Sweet Jessie, Sister to Fair Jane Sir W. Seott'sb. Flower of the Tees, by Langar Betting-6 to 4 agst. Flower of the Tees, 7to 4 agst. Jessie, and sto 2 agst Margaret. Won easy. The Shorts of 50 soya. each. h. ft. ; for three-years-old colts, Bst. 51b. ; and fillies, Bst. 21b. One mile. (5 Subs. ) Major Yarburgh's bl. f. Lollypop, by Starch or Voltaire Mr. Wormald's gr. c. Bolus, by Physician, d. by Comus 2 Mr . Howard's b. f. Antigua Duke of Cleveland's b. f. Eliza, by Physician Betting-6 to 4on Bol us , and sto 2 ag,t, Lollypop. Won cleverly. COMMUNICATION BETWEEN LONDON AND DUBLIN. mile higher up. He proposed to have a wooden bridge with a span of 300 feet. A Mearnert asked had any calculation been made of the re lative expense of the two lines? Mr. STEF nrssoN said he could merely give an opinion off hand, and it appeared to him that the line of Chester would be made under the average cost of railways, while the other lie hardly knew to name a figure by per mile. It would certainly cost more than the London and Birmingham line, but in fact no such attempt had ever before been made in the engineering world. The CIIAIR3IAN—Then as to curves. Mr. STEPHENSON—At Bangor the curve was about half a mile radius, but there was no other of even so small a radius as a mile ; while on the Port Dynllaen there were a number of curves not a quarter of a mile radius. After some further statements, for the purpose of showing the impracticability of the line to Port Dynllaen, Mr. DEVONPORT and some of the other gentlemen present expressed themselves perfectly satisfied with the sup er i or i ty o f the line by ehester and Holyhead. In answer to questions as to the conveyance of heavy goods by the respective lines, Mr. S. stated that the difference would be considerable, but he had not made any calculation. Captain DuxnAs said he had paid much attention to the subject, and had got a friend, Captain Beechy, R.N., to make some calculations as to the relative distances of Ormshaad, Holyhead, and Port Dynllaen Harbours. From his calculations it appeared that Holyhead was eight miles nearer Kingstown than either of the others. The prominent position of Holy head mountain was also a most advantagecus point in favour of that harbour. Holyhead at the present moment would take the largest steam-boats now atleat ; whereas great improve ments would be necessary in Port Dynlla en . Mr. W. S. O'Bittere expressed his satisfaction at the state ments laid before the meeting, and begged to ask what vas the next step they intended to take? The CHAIRMAN said there was a determination, on the part of capitalists to embark in the Holyhead Railway. As the Go vernment had to some extent sanctioned the line ''to Port Dyn llaen, by allowing Mr. Vignolles to make a sur;ey, their ob ject was to show to the public, and the Irish Members who were interested in it, that the former line was the best that could be established. There was no idea of applying to Govern ment for assistance, as that was likely to be useless. Mr. UNIACKE said the object was to lay before the Govern ment and the public, the relative me r it s o f t h e two l i nes; and there could, then, be no doubt as to the result. Sir D. NORRIS moved the first resolution, approving of the line by Holyhead. Mr. J. GRATTAN, M.P., seconded the resolution. Mr. G. EvAxs, M.P_, moved the second resolution, which was seconded by Mr. BERMINGHAM, who pointed out the great advantages that would accrue from the proximity of extensive coal fields to the proposed line of railway. Mr. 'WILBRAHAM moved the third resolution, the object of which was to appoint a deputation to wait upon the Chancellor cf the Exchequer. Sir W. SOMERVILLE seconded the Resolution, which was put and carried unanimously. In answer to some further questions, Mr. STEPHENSON said the line to Holyhead could be made, if funds were forthcoming, in two years; the other, if practica ble, which he denied, could not be made in twenty years. They could not, in fact, sink shafts from the nature of the debris with which the valley was filled, and there were several years work before they could reach the mouth of the tunnel. Sir W. SOMERVILLE was not aware that the Port Dynllaen line bad been recommended by the Government. The CHAIRMAN explained that it was marked in the Corn missioners' map as a line approved by the Government, and thus a prejudice was created against the Holyhead line. Thanks were then voted to the Chairman, and the meeting adjourned. LAW INTELLIGENCE. HOUSE OF LORDS.-MAY 2. JUDGMENT.--THE EARL OF KINNOUL V. THE PRESBYTERY OF ACCHTERARDER. Lord BROUGHAM, in continuation from our First Edition of yesterday. The case he was putting did not interfere with a patron's right of choice at all. It was a much as to say the con gregation had no right of choice whatever. If that were admitted then it would be as much as to say, the whole is vested in you, the patron, but only upon this little or.e condition—that you, the patron, shall choose the exact person we would have chosen. If so, who was the chooser? Why, for his own part, he would much rather be the con gregation in that case than the patron. It was an entire mistake to say that this would interfere with the rights of the patron, and upon this he could not help looking back to the ancient times of the Scottish Church, and picturing to his own mind the degree of con tempt with which a most venerable relative of his own, who led the General Assembly of Scotland, one of the greatest statesmen and one of the most accomplished orators that this or any other country had ever seen—he meant Dr. Roberts—if such an argument as that had been offered to him on the part of the Presbytery, in the face of their own error, he could not help supposing what his manly and. practical understanding would have induced him to say to the doctrine, that we don't mean to in terfere with the patron or with the people, but we only say that if any person is chosen whom the congregation will not accept, that choice shall go for nothing. What also would his venerable colleague, Dr. Erskine, have said to a proposition so extravagantly wild, that was di rectly calculated to set aside the rights of the patron? Aye, or even his venerable friend, the late Sir Harry Mon crief—a man of as honest a mind, and of as sound and sagacious an understanding as any man who ever lived—he doubted whether any such subtilties would have been ventured to have been offered in his time. If they had they would have been blown away out of any Court, Session, Assembly, or any dark aisle of any Church into which they might have been introduced, by him in less than a fraction of time, for if ever there was a man who despised subtilties it was Sir Harry Moncrief. He would not have hesitated to say—never try to do indirectly what you dare not do openly and avowedly, or never seek _ am ,— to escape or to shelter yourselves from the natural and A meeting of gentleman interested in promoting railway just consequences of your own proceeding upon mysterious, communication between London and Dublin, and friendly to vague, and general expressions, subtilties, and sophistries, the Holyhead line, took place yesterday at the Thatched House Tavern, St. James's-street. Among the gentlemen pre- which, as they n ever f or a moment can b enefit yourselves, sent were Captain D un d as , AL P. , Mr. George Evans. M.P., never can deceive othe rs . H o was mora l ly certain these Mr. C. D. 0. Sephson, M.P, Mr. T O. st.i M.P., M.P., Air, would have geed t h e express i ons tilled b y those venerable Lefroy, M.P., Mr. Power, /3/.P., Mr. /3. W i lbrah a m, Heads of the Ch urc h aga i nstany each arguments. Sir Wm. Somerville, B ar t., M.P., Mr. W. S. Dar i en , M P.. 1 - Then, again, to make the thing still more- absurd , it was Mr. J. Grattan, M.P., Sir D. Norris, Mr. Bermingham, Mr. said the congregation had a right to say, We don't Stephenson, Mr. Gladstone, Mr. Uniacke, Mayor of Chester, like this man ; we don't like him worse than any &c., &c. At two o'clock Mr. 0. Stanley was called to the other man, but we would prefer any other man to chair, and briefly stated the objects of the meeting. It was to him. \Veil, but would they even be benefited by any such exhibit to the meeting the plans and sections taken by Mr. Stephenson on th e li ne o f ra il road between Chester and doctrine ? The moment they said they pref erre d any man Holyhead. They were all probably aware of the Rep ort to A, if B was prese n t e d t h ey wou ld h ave st ill t h e same which had emanate d from the Irish Railroad Commis- right to use the very same expression as to B; sioners, and Mr. Vi gno ll es h ad been al owed at the ex- might run through the wh o le alpha. panse and so they of the Government, to make a Report of the line from bet, until they arrived at Z. The patron had a London to Port Dynl'aen, in Wales, and to have his plans and right to appoint A. The Presbytery sustained the sections published. The parties concerned in the other line, presentation, and the patron was not called upon to say felt the injustice of the proceedings which debarred them from why he chose that person, he being a perfectly qualified pointing out all the advantages of an infinitely more practicable person. Well but then, on the other hand, it was said. and cheaper line. On these grounds it had been judged cx- the people must be allowed to say whether they liked him pedient to lay the two competing lines before the public, and or not. The two things could not coexist unless it were allow them to judge which was most entitled to their confidence said they had a joint choice ; and that had been said for and support. Ile wished to make a few observations on the comparative merits of th e li nes b etween Wolverhampton and the first time by t h e A ct of the General Assethbly' in s Port Dynllae n , b e t ween Ch ester and Holyhead, an d by Li ver - 1834, and by their actin g u p on t h at A ct i n the present , pool. No one cou ld d eny the importance of facilitating the day in the prise nt case. Th en it was sa id , they would Communication b e t ween L on d on and Dublin. They not exercise this veto, or as it was construed, right ofdissent, already had had a line made to Liverpool, but they capriciously but conscientiously. Well, but then of the pa still had 130 miles of sea to cross, and from the tron the same thing was to be said. The law did not protect peculiarities of the tides and the weather, the passage him in a capricious or unconscientious exercise of the was very uncertain. From returns which had been moved by trust which he held for the Church. He was quite sure him in the House of Commons the other day, it appeared that that no parties would be found to present a clerk to the once every week the mails were obliged to be removed from the Bishop here, or a p erson to the Presbytery of ScotlanJ, pier of Liverpool ou t s id e t h e b ar o f the Mersey. During the and say that his reason for presenting that man was be last six months the tender had been used 24 times, or one day cause he was his pot companton—because he was his in seven; when the weather was moderate and the tide suitable, it took an hour and a quar t er to convey the mails outside the brother in the chase, or b ecause h e was the b rot h er of a These were all bad motives, and no man could bar, but when there was a gale of wind, and they were obliged mistress. • to wait for the tide, the operation occupied double the time, be ...Rowed in policy to act upon them. No more was it and sometimes more, and they were also obliged to transfer the to be expected that the people who dissented the upon t the passengers in boats to the m iddl e of the Mersey, occasioning occasion of a presentation would avow that n great trouble and inco nven i ence . T he route from llolyhead to dividual was too strict in his doctrines—of a high Dublin was shortest. From London to Kingstown by Liverpoolwas moral- character—that he preached the word of God 200 miles, and 130 by sea, making 340 in the whole. By Port righteously, in season, and out of season, as his Great Dynllaen, according to the Commissioners' plan, it was 272 Master had ordered him—that he refused access to the Ea miles, and 70 by sea, making 342. By Hnlvhead it was 272 miles by land, or if the extension line by Tamworth was se lected, 262, making in all 325, consequently, even taking it by —or c r el r. ebnetes because e those he e whomwo would d he catechise thought the unworthy peepl e o f as ad t m e i t s h si e o i n r the longest route, it was five miles shorter than by Liverpool, and seven miles shorter than by Port Dynllaen ; according to duties; and congregations would givethose . reasons t f h er , not liking a man, but still they Wrighti t, i . exist. And is the plan then upon the table, there were only 85 miles of the Act allowed the greatest scope for anything of that descrip- Holyhead line to make, and by Port Dynllaen and Wolver- tion—bccause by it rio reasons were required to be given. hampton, the distance to be made was one hundred and Things were therefore placed on a very different footing forty.six miles, consequently, there were sixty-one lines in that re s p ec t t o w h at t h ey were b y the Act of 16N9—that less to make if th e Ch ester line was adopted. Act had some consistency in it. It said if any man had He would now call their attention to the mei n whi c h would any objection to the party presented,_ let him state that result from adopting the Holyhead line. In that g case the steam packet stations at Liverpool and Milford would be useless. At objection to the Church, an e d we l y et w t it h h e a C ll h e u e rc e h ess d i e t c v id fe e r urpeottn it. The Act of 1834 did . present the expenditure at these stations above the receipts was 34,0001. per annum, and that did not include the original So Assembly LeiL ei r, g had assigned. been cost of steam-packets, which was about 26 or 30,0001. each. Thetphreeysethatadretur!enruosefdtliLthGiseurnerainl Holyhead station at present involved an expenditure of 24,9511. If f ia th t e without having assigned any reason, then that would per annum. F or th at sum two voyages were performed from have presented a different sort of case. It would Holyhead to Kingstown, and two back. With a better class have made the case a great deal more difficult, and of packets they could reduce the average period of the passage caused the argument and decision to turn upon an from seven to six hours, or even less, and at the same expense, other point. But a general refusal, without assigning so that the Holyhead station for that sum could perform all any reason would not have been legal on the part of the for which the country was now paying 79,0001. per annum. Assembly any more than it would be legal on the part The communication by that route could be made in about of the Bishops to say non ionius—they must point out a sixteen hours, while by Liverpool it w as se ld om ma d e under twenty-three. The meeting would recollect th a t P ar li ament h a d Presbytery reason. The had not here sh e lte re d them under its consideration the plan of a line from Dublin to Cork, selves under any such generality. They had said they and it was most imp or t an t t h at a d i rect communication should h a d refused a perfectly well qualified person because a he made between D u bli n an d L on d on, in order to perfect the majority of the male heads of families in the parish dis line of communication with America. He would now leave it seated without any reason, and that they were bound by to the gentlemen present to take whatever steps they might that dissent. The Act of the G enera l A ssem bl y speci deem expedient. fled the majority of the male heads of families. Why the Mr. UNIACKE, the Mayor of Chester, having been instill- male heads ? Was there nothing to be said in reference to any mental in callinwthe meeting, felt bou n d t o con fi rm t h e state- other branches of families except the male heads upon a ments of their Hon. Chairman. It was important that the matter of salvation ? Why we were living under a Chi is merits of the line to Holyhead should he placed before the tian, not under a Mahomedan law. Supposing there public before the discussion c a me on i n th e H ouse of Commons on the subject of railway communicati on b e t ween Dublin and were three or f our s i ng l e women , or t h ree or f our widows. I the parish, was this a pp o i n t men t t o b e cons id ere d as London. He would say nothing with regar d to the engineer- H ing advantages of the line, but he would c a ll th e i r attention to a matter of perfect indiff erence t o th em . W ere t h ey to question ? The the considerations which should influen ce t h em i n fixing the b e regarded as having no interest in the q main line of communication between the two kingdoms, General Assembly said those persons should have just the importance of giving a mode of transit and securing a direct whoever the male heads chose to impose upon them. rommunication with the great manufacturing districts of Lan- Beads of families I But v..hy not a respectable and well cashire, Yorkshire, and Staffordshire. The other point to informed journeyman? Why not a well-informed and which he should call their attention was, that from the confi- learned scholar, being a young man—perhaps with deuce reposed in Mr. Stephenson, and from the favourable na ture of the country, the greater portion of th e cap i ta l would be N o ; i t was on l y to be the male heads of families. subscribed by private enterprise. Mr. St ep h enson was pre- That might be right or it mi g h t b e wrong. I t certa i n l y mation in his power. sent and would, he was satisfied, give the meet i ng every infer was not self-evidently right. It did not f o ll ow as neces- Mr. STEPHENSON having been called upon said he was not sary from the nature of Church discipline ; it did not fol aware that he could add anything to what he had stated in his low as necessary from the call, and it might be a capri detailed report. The sections of the two lines were before cious decision come to by the Assembly; and that led him them, and hal been taken as accu ra t e l y as possible; they to the next inquiry, that if the General Assembly had the showed the exact character of both lines. One was extremely power to impose this, had they not the power to make a practicable, while the other he could state with ou t hesitation, totally dlfferent appointment altogether ? Could any one could not be made.—( Hear, hear.) li e d en i e d th a t they suppose there was anything in the existing law to justify could ever form a tunnel through the summit level—he denied a totally different scheme ? Supposing it had been that they could do it, but even if they did the other part of the provided that the person presented should be acceptable line was bad, and twenty miles would be lost from the to the Synod, which was a very important body ; or aup fall, or at least s 3 much power would be lost as would be it had been provided he should be acceptable to equal to twenty miles. The line along the coast was much posingand chosen by, or not rejected . by, a Commissioner whom more cultivated, more densely populated, and opened extensive the Assembly had appointed to make the choice, as in for coal-fields and it appeared to him that coal would be sent to Ireland cheaper by that line than any other. mer times there had been an instance of. They might As the Me GENTLEMAN bridge asked Mr. Stephenson how he i n t en d ed to also h ave gone on to say —and for anything he (the Noble crosnai ? and Learned Lord) knw it would be the next thing the i\ r. STEPHENSON said he proposed to send the carriages Assembly did, if their Lordships allowed them to do this— across one at a time by horse-power, so as to have the weight of the provided he should be agreeable to the Pecsbytery of the bounds. Nov, was it possible for them to do that ? carriages divided over the whole length of the bridge. The bridge was e engines Why, it was ro far from being impossible, that they had and carriages to pass over at once, bat there would be &waving done it already. There was the Act of 1596, of the motion created by so much weight going over at the same time. Legislature in which y it was said that "none seek prefer- Stephenson In an-wer • • to another question it was stated by Mr. merit without the advice of the Presbytery ;" and that , Stephenson that ten minutes to a quarter o f an hour would for the delay occasioned by sending the carriages over singly a very short time the law of the land in Scotland. be might hits had also considered the formation of another bridge about a law had been abrogated long ago. The Legislature That EVEN ING EDITION • mcke it a law again if it thought fit; but had the Preaby. try or the Church Judicature any right which, by the common law of the land and by statutary enactments, was not given to them —on the contrary which wa s ta k en away from them I By all the laws and enactments which might be referred to it was the province cf the General Assembly and the Imperial Church Courts to take cognizance of Church matters, and of Ecelesiastical mat ters only, and they were precluded from taking any cog nizance whatever of civil patronical rights. Upon civil and patronical rights, directly or indirectly, they could not per indircctum do what they could not do directum. They bad a right to make rules by which they might judge of qualifkations, but they had no right to make rules as to. who should be chosen, or who should be rejeoted, when the patron presented. They had no right to trans fer either the whole, or the half—and, in this case, they had transferred the far greater half of the right of presentation from the patron to the congregation. Oce thing was certain, that no power in the Assembly to make the Act of 1834, giving theveto to the congregation, could be conceived to exist, which would net give them as complete a power and as tenable a right to give the veto to the Presbytery; that was to repeal the Act of Anne and other Acts, and to revive the Act of 1796, which, for the first time, and alone, gave the choice to the Presbytery. It was said, that there was a great difference between location or the admission of a Minister in Scotland and the admission of a Clerk in England, inasmuch as that the person who had the advowson here presents directly to the living, but that the person who is ordained by the Presbytery has to be in ducted, and that the two were so mixed up . together that they could not be separated. But the answer to that was; that in the present case the severance was already complete. They did not refuse to ordain • but they said though we don't abject to ordain, we don't like to induct into the parish of Auchterarder, because the parishioners don't like the individual. The Presbytery could not say in the present instance that they would not ordain, be cause the party bad been already ordained, and the ques tion merely was, whether he should be inducted ; and that was sufficient to repel the argument that had been raised on this point. Then again it was asked, was a call of no value ? Did this mean nothing ? Nothing indeed could be considered more obscure and involving more doubt and difficulty than the history of calls in Scotland. There was a time when the law was different to what it was now, when a presentation took place a call was not given, but the pa. rishioners could not refuse the call without assigning a rea son. But was there ever a time when the majority was to call, and if they did not call ncthing was to be done in favour of the party? It would be seen what the law was in that respect by referring to the first and second Books of Discipline of 1750 and 1758. But whatever was at any time the form or validity of a call the statute of the 10th I of Anne did aw a y w i t h t h at altogether, unless to the very • modified and mere ceremonial extent, to which it was left by that statute, and had existed ever since. The best proof of that was this very Act of 1834 making the appointment to rest with 'the majority If, :heads of a parish; and, secondly, in saying tbikeit call might be made by two persons in a parish that might, perhaps, contain 2,000 persons; because that was the effect, and if the Assembly thought proper they mi g h t hold such a call to be just as valid as if it had been a una nimous call from the whole of the parish. Did that not demonstrate the fact? For his own part he should suppose that the mere presentation made the call ? Why should not the patron make the call ? He knew there was no authority or dictum by any text writer against him in what he was saying. But what authority was there in favour of a call? No doubt there was the Act of 1782, to which reference had been made, of the Assembly, and the decision of the Assembly in 1790, in which they highly disapproved of the settlement of a man who had had no call. The Noble and Learned Lord would admit that that might be a great informality ; but they did not repeal the settlement. If the man had got in, however, without the presentation, or without the induction, would they have allowed him to continue? No such thins; ; they would have ousted him, and put in another man. And when they talked of the call being ne cessary upon the authority of the Stirlingshire case of 1790, they only proved the reverse by the quotation of that case, because that case showed that there was no pretence for saying the necessity of a call existed at all. The man in that case who had had no call was held to have as good a right to the living as anybody who had ever been presented„ although they said a form had been omitted. The omis sion of that form was quite immaterial ; it was as imma terial to the settlement of a minister in Scotland as it was immaterial to the validity of a marriage here, that the party should have resided so many, days in the place where the marriage was celebrated before that celebration took place, as was re quir e d by the directory part of Lord Hardwick's Act. This threw great light, as the Noble and Learned Lord conceived upon his argument, because it showed that the call was held, and might be held to be rather a convenient thing, than any thing else. It ought to be looked upon as the remnant of an old law, which had boon repealed. Whether it descended from the Revolution, or front the Books of Discipline, of the sixteenth century, was immaterial ; it was quite clear it was not a pre cedent condition, necessary for an induction. It ;night be very convenient, and it might be very use ful. As the people were to judge of the piety, of the affection and of the lea rn i ng o f the i nd i v i dual, as well as of his edifying powers, it might indeed be very conve nient that they should have the opportunity of coming fore ward after a trial, with any objection they might have to raise against him. But this could not give them the right of veto without certain reasons. As an illustration of this it was considered decent, and was a very proper form, to present the Sovereign to his people upon the day of his Coro nation; but if every person present were to object to that Sovereign, and the Coronation took place, that Coronation would be just as valid and effectual, as if no objection hat ever had been made. He might also refer to the instance of marriage. Both in Scotland and England, a regular marriage required the publication of banns (except in the case of a licence), a nd w h oever so l emn i se d a marriage , I without publication, was li a bl e to Ch urc h censure. The object was to ascertain that there was no lawful impediment, such as pre-contract, consanguinity, or the want of etaisent on the part of the parents of an infant. If those impedi ments were raised, the ceremony would be suspended. But supposing the party objecting to the marriage, said he would give no reason, or that his reason was that he himself was a rival for the lady's hand, - why then such an objection would not be at tended to at all ; the marriage would go on, and be just as valid as if the dead silence prevailed which gene rally prevailed on those interesting occasioue. Well, then, he was an advocate for the publication of banns. pc would not have that publication dispensed with ; it was convenient and useful, and to make a marriage. regular it was necessary, but it was not an absolutely necessary part of the marriage. Precisely so was it in reference to the call, either before or after the statute of Anne. He could not find that the call was a necessary part of the induction, or that it was a necessary condition precedent. And if the force and (flat to be given to if was to be to make it 'teem sary and a condition precedent ; and if the Assembly were so to carry into execution that supposed effect of it, se as ea make it a specific condition precedent, and that an induc tion could never take place without the consent of the male heads, he would say that by so deEling with it the statute of Anne was abrogated, and the rights of the patron utterly destroyed. The only remaining question was that of the jurisdiction, and upon which he had no doubt what ever. Upon this there could not be a single doubt cast. Then it was said there were no . means 'of carrying into cff , ct their Lordships' decreo ; and that the Su preme Court of Session, supported by the House of Lords, which was the decision of Parliament by one of its Chambers—although they said the Presbytery had acted erroneously—although they said the reason of the Presby tery was no reason at all—although they said, let the Prse bytery indict immediately, for were there no grounds for refee,ing, the Presbytery would still refuse. The Noble and Learned Lord must say that he did not think it de cent to suppose such a state of things. They might as well suppose that Doctors' Commons would refuse to attend to a prohibition issued from the Queen's Bench, without appealing against it. There were, indeed, cases of conflict between the two countries. There was one case of conflict upon a question of mar riage, which had lasted for twenty years or more, but when a case had come up here upon a question of law, and when the House of Lords had come to a decision upon that law, had the Court of Session ever maintained their law against that decision ? Thu Court of Scs sion lied never refused to obey their Lordships orders (Ton a matter of law (feeling it might be that the weaker must go to the wall) whereupon they entertained the most conflicting opinion. For this reason he bad no apprehension whatever that the Presbe tery, when the Judgment of their Lordships' House was given, declaring them to be wrong and the pan on's tight to be violated, would hesitate, even upon the declara tory pact of the Judgment, to do that which was right. Then it was said that the congregation mitt dissent, but he would have no hesitation in making an order on the Presbytery to induct A.B. upon the presentation of the patron in disregard of the congregation. He would refer in support of that only to the case of Lord _an and the Shetland parishioners. There the P Ti r f e r. sb r y ,i t i e e r h y o a la d o m a it w te a d s a gentleman of the name of Gray. A the competing man with Gray. The 'Court wa of Session sion said—Refuse Gray and admit Nicholson. not said then on behalf of the Presbytery Session had no such power, and that the Presbyterythatthe Court migh o t f be ? If that had been said on that o continue to put in Gray, and then where wo e n e ld asi t o h n Court there to lied been made use of on the prern _ would have arisen every one of the whichargtuomeeenastsion scare their Lordships from doing could they proceed againstf Scotland—could they athewirhodluety—bondaymeloyf, d u a hadls ? clergymen—the 'Presbytery o bring actions against every untenable, o n t c e o n n a fi b r l m e That was the argument by Upon the whole, he the judgment of the Court below. d worichof their th e s e Lordships indivi been threatened at their bar, if they proceeded to to their Lord. held this argument to be utterly and such as presented no one These were the grounds ships taking the right path. upon which impediment an a o Lordships s t t a o nd affi ju r s m t, and therefore necessary,hel that for t i e w i r as He had gone at much into the case than judgment of the Court bel o o f w. time greater length in point desirable, but when .he looked to perhaps had been qh . estio_n_ he did not regret t th he e e i o nnii r ) s o e rta h r e ce had of ely Lords (continued pt v uh e ers :ffe d nce to that most Venerable the Noble and Learned Lord), no person would regret mere deeply than I should if t l h cin e tu j rt u ch d he gment I am now pronouncing should of Scotland. I highest venera tionhave the deepest reason , a reason for it. I Assembly as represegeltlingfolrthificaele.o every am myself sprung from some of the most venerable and beamed of that Bedy, and I cannot therefore be deaf to its interests—deaf to its claims amounting to the highest veneration—or in the slightest degree pre pared to treat it other than with the most profound respect. lam not the only person engaged in this discus sion connected with that Church, and entertaining the feelings I cherish. The Learned Attorney-General himself descended from a most venerable part of, body, and nothi ng i s more c l ear f rom t h e w hele of hfSlirft i ments, than that h e i s mo st scrupulously and delicately 1 to b 8 51 9 se 8t OMP t .011 - 3t 04 , sb;l l3 the difr e : id in bl i t te ed es' ~tigbt 5 1.9 „ 1 O P 1 "Ov A 811(1