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:pressed the high satWaetk.ln he felt that Engiii..b Members were found, who would thyas take up and advocate questions regard ing the interest of Ireland ; and he hoped Irish Members would follow the example thus set them, and thew the same spirit as xegLrled the interest of Engiaed, whenever such questions came 1114er considerz.tion. After 2. 'wordA from Sir J. NE*ron'r, tie petition was rneivca nnl ordered to biz printed. CRIMINAL I.:l`V. Sir J. MACKINTOSH moved fo; leave to bring in a Bill to tnitipte the punishment for Forgeries ' • and also for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal so much of the Act of the 12th of Anne, whitit - rnake.s larceny in duelling-houses, under certain' circum tar.ces, capital ; and also for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal certain Acts of Geo. connected with - the Criminal Law. As he understood there was now no infer on to oppose the Bills being brought in, he should rcfrain for the prescat from making say oaservations, and content himself with obtaining leave to bring in the Bills, and to narne a day for the second rerdinL, , .— Leave was accordingly give:l to bring in the several Bills. CATHOLIC PETITION. Mr. S. RICE presented a petition from the Roman Catholic Bishop and Cathode Clergy of Limeric, expressing their readi tees to leave the clauses of the second Bill to the' wisdom of Parliament. The lion. ?Member said, he had stated on a for me: nil 4, that up to the time of the capitulation of Limerick, Cathehes 7/er :. eligible to seats in Parliament: That assertion had been Jenietl by the Right Hon. Member for Liverpool and others ; btt he was now prepared to repeat his assertion. At the time of the Articles of limerick, Catholics were sitting in the }louse of Peers, and' were eligible to seats in the Commons. it was rot till afterwards that - they were excluded by the Act Wil;ians and Mary. This would be found in Mr. Butler's Book, which was rib mean authority, and if he had erred he had not erred without precedent.—The petition was then received, and ordered to be rrintod. METROPOLIS ROADS BILL.- - Sir 3. (311. i lIA3I moved that Counsel should be heard be fore tt (':•. - r,mii.tep up stairs against the Metropolis Roads Bill. D. 13 IL:BERT crpposed the motion, as only tending to ar! ,- .1;671147), of this very usefia Bill. Aft?: :Jo: i 3 fzorri Mr. ORENFELL, the motion was ne-. - ' gatived. Dr. LUSH INC T ON presented a petition from an individual na..med Thomas Mcrri:t,.complaining that his children had been taken froin him at Lisbon by the 'superior of the Irish Convent there 'and of other persecutions which hehatisuffered on account of religion in Portugid. He hoped thc.Government would in : .quire into the case. After a few words from Mr. Ronmso2r, who stated that he wasentirely ignorant of the facts alleged in the petition, it was laid on the table. GRAMPOUND.—THE EARLDOM OF MARCH .. , • MOUNT. A Message from the Lords informed the House their Lord ships had agreed to the Beer Duties Bill, the Regent's Canal Bill, and Several other pu'oiic and private Bills ; and also their Lordships' request that the list of voters.of Granapound, handed in by John Teed, Esq. • at the bar of the House of Commons on the nth of June, 1819, should be laid before their Lordships by one of the Clerks, by the direction of the House ; and also that Fri. Rochfort, Esq. a Member, should he allowed to be ex - amined before 'the Lords' Committee of Privileges on the pe tition of Alexander Home, Esq. claiming the Earldom of Uerchmcurit. . Mr. .RocuronT having consented to be examined, the CA N. 212. informed the messengers that the House gave liberty to the. Hoe. Memberto attend their Lordships, and that it would give directions to The Clerk to give the list as desired. COMMISSIONERS OF SEWERS. The Order of t 1.2 Day for the second reading of the Commis sioners of Sewers' Bill being read, Mr. DICKENSON said lie would withdraw this Bill for the present Session, and in the course of next year move for a Select Committee 'o inquire into the. state of the low lands of the king- , dom.—(Hear, hear 0-L-He stated that great clamour had been raised against this Bill entirely owing to a misconception of its objects. _ . A conversation tlien ensued between Mr. Jenkinson, Lord G. Cavendish, Mr. Wrottesley, Sir I. Coffin, Mr. W. Wynne,. and Mr. D. Gilbert, after which the Bill was withdrawn. Sir J. MACKINTOSH brought in several Bills, which were read a first time, ordered to be printed, and the second read the was fixed for the 4th of May. • Mr. ELLIS presented several Petitions from individuals holding situations in the Irish Courts of Justice, whose places were affected by the pending Bills for regulating these Courts, praying compersetion. • Mr. WARRE objected to the Bills out of which these Pe tit,ons originated, as giving fresh influence to the Crown. Mr. C. ()RANT said a few words in defence of the Bill. The several Pctitions were then received. The Report of the Holyhead Road Bill was received, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time on Monday. BANK CASH PAYMENTS. The Report of the Bank Cash Payments Bill was ordered to , be received to-rn,wrow. Mr. GRENFELL could not suffer this opportunity to pass without stating his opinion, that it was of the utmost importance ' to pr.v.L.nt any premature negociation being entered into for the unnec , _ssary. renewal ,of the Charter of the Card( of 'Eneand, which had at present 12 years to run. He was suspi cious, from the silence of the Right Hen. Gent. that a negocia tion was at present ping on for a renewal of the Irish Charter, alt,hogit it had lu years to run ; and if that renewal was g . ranted, he did net see on what grounds Government could re sist a similar application from the Bank of England. He' trusted Gi;vernment would not commit itself without the most mature consideration having been given tothe subject by Par liament. VIE BRITISH MUSEUM. . _ Mr. LENNARD then rose to move for a return of the num, her of persons anruslly admitted to the reading-room of_the Eritish Museum. The Hon. Member entered into a detail of tho forms necessary to be gone through by persons applying for atirr , ..i.lsions to the • reading-room, one of which was, that an crc!wr should be obtained from one of the Trustees of the Mu- sewn. Now, to obtain this order, was a matter of the greatest diticulty to private individuals, andoperated as a prohibition to • many. His object was to dis c ov er h ow mar applications had been postponed in the l a st five years. The Hon. 'Member con cluded by moving for a return to that effect. Mr. BANKES said, that it . 11 - 8.8 impossible to comply with the motion. In such a great city it was impossible to afford in , di*:triminate admissions to such an Institution. No person, who had given a satisfactory account of himself, had been rc , fused admission. Postponement of admission was not equiva lent to a refusal • and he hoped the motion would be withdrawn. Sir C. LON 4 said, that the Trustees had aflbrded the - House of possible information. If the Hop. Member had no e , implaint to make, what was the object of the motion ?, The Trustees were responsible for the safety. of the concern, and . the best regulations had been adopted. The return moved for could not,be made. . . Mr. DICKEN.SOI•sT bore testirnony.tolhe facility of admis sion arlirded by the Trustees. ' Mr. H. GURNE Y . said, that more facility was afforded of - access to the Museum than to similar .lestitutions abroad. In • Paris the licuis of admission were only three, while At the Bri '•tish Museum they were six, and only a short vacation. - Zr. LENNARD. replied, and stated, that he shOuld not trouble the House - to divide. lie should only mention, that a Gentleman, who had been a contribUtor to the Muscuni, a • Air. Jones, had not obtairiedAdmissif.nt.- A foreigner also, son of a Professor at Geneva, had applied for' access to thelorigi; cal mantiscripts of Rousseau, and had been uTsble to procure arl ission. Mr. rt ANKE and.2FIr. LEN - NARD mutually' eiplainod, and after a few words from. Mr.'DENMAN, the motion was with drawn. ORE,EINIVICH HOSPITAL. Mr. Trumn br.. 54 -,mi to be informed by the Right Hon. Gen tiotnan opposic,' wli.-:11Pr it was the intention of his Majesty's to fill tip the vacancy which had just taken place in thilPfice et' Receivcsi . Gieentvich Hospital, without previous leg; tiry ?- - • • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that in the occurrence of the vacancy in question, he believed the appointment was in the hands of the Commissioners, but he could not, without inquiry, give any distinct answer to the Hen. Gentleman's question. .?rirr. HUME thought himself bound to ask this question, • wheri he r - ±eollected that it had, on a late occasion, been admit . te4 by liOn.•Gentlemen on the other side, that there might be a better system of government adopted for-that institution. CHANCELLQR of the EXCHEQUER wished to know from the Honourable Member for Aberdeen, whether he • was willing to postpone his motion, which steed f or to-morrow, for the disfranchisement of certain offic,:s Of Government, in consequence of the unavoidable absence of a Noble Friend of his. Mr. HUME obsA•vc-d, that when the Right Hon. Gentleman e answered his question he (Mr. anme) would give him an an swer also. 11/CHESTER GAOL. Mr. Alderman Wool) presented a Petition from James Ilillyard, a prisoner in the Gaol of IL chester, complaining of severe and cruel treat ment on the part of the Gaoler. The Petition was read, and laid on the table. Mr. WOOD then stated some facts relative to the inconvenient and unwholesome state of the prison ; btit was reluctant to enter into detail, as he hoped a Committee would be granted. Ili understood that drunkenness and gaming went on all night in the house of 'the Gaoler ; and a Clergyman of the town, who' had since' he hoped gone to a better world, had one night l'ot The Petitioner had been chained down, of which he had seen a dra%% itig, It had been also stated to him, that a man, of the name of Gardiner, had been put into a dark cell, and had his head twice blistered ; and at hit a Strait waistcoat had been put on him. He concluded, by moving for the appointment of a Select Committee,' to inquire into the state and management of Ilchester Gaol, and to report on the same to the House. Mr. F. BUXTON seconded the motion. He had been charged by Mr. Hunt with having raised the character of the gaol, and he readily admitted, that he saw much in the management of the prison that merited - the highest praise. If be had been mistaken he would be the first to expose those mistakes. Mr.,,DtcKEXso - Sr would give no opposition to the' motion, but from what he knew of the gaoler, he should be much surprised if any acts of •-•, • cruelty should he : Proved against him. 'tie zr regularities i❑ the gaol had' taken place with out the knowledge of the gaoler, and five of the servants bad in consequence been dismis sed. From the great number. of prisoners sent to the gaol, the accommodation was not in all respects so desirable as could be wished.— Every attention had been paid to the accommo dation of Mr. Hunt, and a well had been suck for the use of the prisoners. The bed of the river was ig feet below the foundation of the gaol. A female Quaker had been pAt in solitary confinement by her own wish. He should think a Commission would be better than a Committee. Dr. LUSIILVGTON had made inquiries, and, as the result had not been satisfactory, he was in favour of further investigation. When he was last at llchester, he had examined the Gaol, and thought the mode of employing the prisoners re flected much credit on the gaoler. He had heard charges of cruel treatment in the prison, and he was unable to make up his mind. Ile, there fore, wished for inquiry. In the Borough Comp ter two women had been detained 11 days, half naked. That was one of the greatest abuses he had ever heard of. When such instances had taken place, he thought inquiry indiFpen sably necessary. Mr. BAntuasT was in favour of inquiry from the facts that had been stated, and which, had not been contradicted. Ile thought it would be proper to inquire into the structure of the Gaol, as well as its internal management, as some ha provements might be suggested. Mr. BENNET said, that the statements formerly made by the lion. Alderman had been flatly con tradicted, but had then been fully admitted. He thOught the House should not resign the power out of their own hands, and he hoped that'a Commission would not be appointed. Sir T. LETHBRIDGE was in favour of inc airy by a Commission. 'Much attention had been paid by the' Magistrates to the management of this Gaol. Mr. Cu EEVEY should vote for a Committee. A Commission was only putting the grant of places in the hands of the Crown. A MEmnElt adverted to some communication, that the Member for Shrewsbury was supposed to have bad on the subject of Lincoln Gaol. Mr. BENNET had had no communication on the subject. His view of the subject was the same as that of the late Sir S. Romilly. Sir R. HErtoN said a few words on the subject of Lincoln Gaol. Mr. D. BROWN should oppose the motion for a Committee, as no grounds had been stated. Mr. IJUME said, that all had admitted that strong grounds had been laid for a Committee ; as no less than five servants had been dismissed. He would recommend the last speaker to learn the object of a motion before he opposed it. Mr. D. Brown explained. Mr. Alderman Woon said, that the last speaker had been only two minutes in the House when he had dwelt his opinion of what he could know nothing about. He had 32 witnesses to bear out his facts. He should prefer a Committee to a Com►riission ; but if three Members of that House would go as a Commission, he should agree to it readily. Mr. ROBINSON said, that for many reasons a Commission would be the preferable mode, in order to put both parties on an equal footing. Mr. Alderman Woos observed, that lie had been unable to obtain any information on the subject of the person who had been confined at the suit of the Crown in Ilchester Gaol. • The Cif AN CELLOA of the EXCIIEQfta :said, that the individual formerly alluded to had not been detained at the suit of the Crown, but at that of the parish. Mr. HAnnonn would protest against any paid Comrnis,sions. Mr. HusKrSsoN said, the Commissioners were only paid their expences. Mr. GOULBURN moved, as an amendment, that a Commission should be appointed instead of a Committee, as the Member for Somerset was prevented, by the forms of the House, from moving an amendment. Mr:ll..inuortn would suggest that, in the first instance, a Committee might be appointed ; out of•wl►irh, if necessary, a Commission might grow. Mr. DICKENSON would oppose the suggestion of the last speaker, as wholly irregular. The statement made as to the Borough Compter was perfectly correct, and the attention'of the public had been called Co it by a Morning Paper, which the Court of Aldermen had threatened to pro secute, though they did not chuse to carry it into executi-m. Mr. Alderman WOOD was quite ready. to meet that question whenever it should be brought be fore the House. Mr. CREEVEY adverted to the Commission ap; pointed five years ago to inquir e i n t o th e fees of the. Courts of Justice, each .of whom had since enjoyed 1500!. a year. Dr. LUSIIINGTON said, that the labour of the present Commission would be closed in a month. lie should- support the Amendment. As to the two women committed to the Compter, after thrry had been enlarged, a dispute had arisen between the Court of Aldermen and the Parish as tc. the; expenee of their cloathing.--=-Mr. nATittlltsT sup ported the Amencllrle . :-.t. Mr. F. BUXTON would propose that the Hon. Alderman should be one of the Commissioners', as he had been already in 1 ichester Gaol.—(A laugh.)—He believed the two females in the Compter had been cloathed by private charity. Mr. Alderman Woo° declined being one of the Coromissioners.—The question was then put, and the amendment carried without a division: Mr. Ilt,Tmn wished to know why the orders of the day -were Alteted? The SPEAKER Eaid, that the House was accommodated every day at an early hour with the probable business of the •day, which •was sent tothe Printing Office as fast as ,they were communicated. . COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.—ARMY ESTIMATES. The House then resolved itself into a Commit tee of Supply. Lord PALMERSTON moved, that a sum not ex= ceeding 6,8M1. be granted to defray the expenses of the office of Adjutant General. • Mr. HOME was anxious the Noble Lord would state for what purpose so many clerks were to be kept up in that establishment. It was quite impossible that the country could, in its present condition, support such an enormous expence. If they referred to the office of Commander-in- Chief in 1797 or 1798, they would find there was then in IL only Sir H. Bunbury, and three clerks at 2001.. a year. each.. And he should be glad to know for ,what reason so large a sum should be expended on clerks, %%hen at that pe riod the sum of 6001. only was necessary. The House was bound to save to the country every single shilling they could, and 'he should there fore propose that instead of 6,8541. the sum of 5,8541. being three times the amount of the establishment in 1792, should be substituted.--- (Hear, hear !) Lord PALMEnSTON said, that the office of Ad jutant-General was quite distinct from that of Commander-in-Chief, and that the duty attend ant on b;s office was very considerable. He had all the responsibility of the inspection of recruit ing, enlisting, and discharging soldiers, and also the regulating of all leaves of absence ; and as for speaking-of the year 179'2, it was mere n onsense . In fact, he was ashamed to be again recurring to that subject, to which the attention of the House had already been so often called. But unless the House should think fit to go hack to the .sys tem that existed in 1792, it was most absurd to think of regulating our expenditure according to that standard. There was no office under Go vernment in. Which the clerks were more con stantly employed than in that of the Adjutant- General. The question then for the House to decide was, whether the business of that office should be ,transacted in the clear and satisfactory manner it is at present, or whether we should go back to the regime of 1792. Colonel DAVIEi said, the Noble Lord seemed ti.; have misunderstood the proposition of his Hon. Friend (Mr.' Hume.) He did, not propose we should go back to the system pursued in 1792, for he reposed an allowance three times greater than was granted at that period; and although he (Colonel Davies) was free to admit that the office of Adjutant-General was one of great im portance, still he thought it might be filled at a much less expence. Mr. lIUME said, his hon. and gallant Friend had stated the facts rightly. He did not mean to propose that we should go back to 1792. The Noble Lord seemed to lay great stress on the various duties that were to be performed in the office of the Adjutant-General ; but the reports that are brought into that office are seldom or ever examined, it is taken for granted that they are correct. What then becomes of the Deputy's Deputy and. his Deputy's Deputy ? (Hear, hear, and laughter !)—lf the Noble Lord was not content with an establishment three times as, great as that of 1792, he really did not know what would satisfy him. Lord PAr.mEuErros explained. Mr. BENNETT observed, that wh en th e N o bl e _ _ Lord (Palmerston) objected so strongly to the standard of 1792, he paid but a poor compliment to his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer. For a Committee appointed to in vestigate the matter, not a hostile one, selected from his (Mr. Bennett's) side of the House, but one chosen by the Right Hon. Gentleman him self, a packed and garbled Committee, had actu ally recommended that we should adopt the standard • of 1702.—(Flear, bear !)--4/is 'Hon. Friend (Mr. Hume) then did not go so far ; he merely wished to. approximate it. The question then came to this—will the House of Commons come to a resolution not to reduce one single shilling at all ?—(Hear, hear !)—lf they do, why then there is but one opinion that every honest man must entertain of the character and. conduct of that House.—(Cheers.) Mr. JoirwSmitit Wished. to remark that an Hon. Baronet wasat'preseja in possession of a pension 0f.4G8/. year, although he had, a most .lucrative. situation in Trinidad. He had put this question before, but - was riot able to obtain an. answer. He was quite at a loss to know how the enjoyment of a pension, and the possession of a lucrative office by the same person, could he reconciled on any principle of justice.— (Hear; hear !) • Lord PALMERSTON said that was a matter which-related to estimates that had . not been yet laid before the House. Sir it. Cooper, the Hon. Baronet alluded to, held; in 1808, an office, which was abolished, in consequence of which the pension was granted to him. The Gallery was then cleared for a division. The numbers were— • .54 82 For . the Arnulment - Against it - - Majority against the Amendment - 29 On Lord I ) 4iLmr.e.srox's moving a Resolution, hat a sum not exceeding G,1921. be granted to efray the expence of the Quarter-Master-Ge eral's Mr. Hint - P: objected to the Resolution. Al- though the office of the Quarter-Master-General was very necessary and important in time of war, it was quite monstrous that the ce..mtry should be burdened with so many Quarter-Master-Ge nerals in time of peace. Ile thought that it ought. to be reduced in a sum of 1,5001. a year, and should therefore move, as an Amendment, that a slirri, not exceeding 4,021. is. Mt be granted to defray the expences of this department. Lord PALM'ERSTOS said, the Hon. Gentleman was completely caught in his own toils—(A laugh)—for, in fact, - of'ail the Offices under the Crown, this was the only one actually reduced to the standard of 1792. The expences of this office are very considerable, in addition to which a lithographic press has been introduced, which is employed in the servic e oLboth llonses o f Par liament. The total charge of the office is 32411. ; ,the lithographic press stands in about 10131.; so that, in point of fact, 22011. is the amount of the ex - pences of the office. Mr. lEuME denied the accuracy of the Noble Lord's statement. He was well aware of the important advantages resulting from the :litho graphic press. But admitting it all, still he must say that the estimate now proposed was much too extensive. Lord PALMERSTON explained. Colonel DAvIEs observed, that now troops were in the habit of marching but once a year, a Quartermaster-General app eared to be alinost unnecessary. Colonel FRENcn said it would be quite impos. Bible to effect a greater retrepchment than liar been already done in the permanent district es• tablishment. Sir R. FERGUSON said, that all theembarkatiOn of troops that takes place at present might be very well attended by one officer. - There was one circumstance, however, connected with this subject, to which he wished to advert, he meant the embarkatien of troops to the West Indies at an improper season. This was a circumstance in which the cause of humanity, as well as that of the public economy, were deeply interested. In the year 1819, the,93d regiment of Highlanders were:sent out in a tnost improper season, Which occasioned . considerable loss. He understood some West Indian Planters had remonstrated against this conduct,.and he trusted the Govern ment would, hi future, he more particular. Lord PALMERSTON admitted the statement of the lion. and .Gallant General was correct. The regiment to which he alluded did," no doubt, go out to . the West Indies at an improper season, but that was more a matter of necessity than of choice, and also the severities they endured did not proceed so much from the time they went out as from the very unhealthy season.. He be lieved another regiment there at the time suffer ed more materially than they did. Sir R. FERGUSON was glad to hear the expla nation given by the Noble Lord; but he felt anxious to. know whether any representation had been made by any West Indian Planters? Mr. GOULBCRN said that no such representa tion had been made. Mr. Hums said it was his intention to have brought the question before the House when it occurred, but on inquiry he found it was quite a casual occurrence. After some few observations from Colonel JOHNSTONE, Sir It. FERGUSON, and Mr. BEN NETT, respecting the necessity of Adjutants-Gene ral, the Gallery was cleared for a division. The numbers were, rOr the A.nendractit - - 60 Against it - - - - • 104 • Majority against the Amendment The Gallery being opened, Mr. BROGDEN pro posed that the sum of 9221. be granted to his Majesty for the salary of the Quarter-Master- General of North Britain, S.z.c. Mr. il - nmE objected to the amount, and request ed to hear from the Noble Lord the particular duty the Officer had to discharge. Lord PALMERSTON said the office was as old as the Scotch Union, and the duty, of the Quar ter-Master-General was to make such arrange ments as would prevent the troops in Scotland clashing on their march. Mr, G. BENNETT objected to the item, and moved a reduction of COOL Mr. W. SMITU supported the amendment. It appeared, he said, that. the public were to pay 900/. to prevent 1300 men in Scotland meeting on the time road. The 'Lotto ADVOCATE of SCOTLAND stated a recent instance, when the Quarter-Mast er , e neral was called upon to dischar ge an extensive and 'Anportant duty, in consequence of several regiments - of the line marching to Glasgow. Lord PALMERSTON explained. Mr. W. SMITH again contended that the sum proposed was a Elvish expend:lure of the public money. It was like. the Commissioners of the Lottery in Dublin being kept and paid, not be cause there was a L o tt er y, b u t b ecause th ere might possibly be a Lottery. • • The CHANCELLOR of 'the EXCHEQUER stated, that when the Lottery •w as .withdrawn the Com missioners had their allowance 'continued for a limited time; as a matter of justice.--The House then. divided— . For the Amendment - - - 56 Against it - - - 98 Ma,;.ority . for the Chase - - On our return- to the gallery, the grant of 51801. was proposed to defray the salaries of the Judge Advocate, his Deputy, and Clerks. Mr. CHETW YND said, .the above. item was One of thfi instances of profuse expenditure which the House was peculiarly called upon to' check. The salary of the Judge Advocate exceeded the com pensation given to the Lord Chief Justice. In time of peace the situation might he considered a sinecure. That Officer enjoyed 2,5001. salary, a large mansion, for coals and candles 50/., and for books and stationary 2001. With respect to the duties of the office, there was no duty for the principal, consequently, the deputy was out of the question. The Hon. Member Called upon the Country Gentlemen to unite together, to draw the strings.of the public purse tighter, and not suffer the public money to be extravagantly expended. lie did not wish to be merely just. His intention was to be liberal, and with respect to the item in question, he considered, 3,0001. ample allowance. The Hon. Member accordingly moved to reduce 5,1801. to 3,0001. Mr.. BECKETT said, he'could not remain silent after the charge against him of profligate expence in his office. ft would have been becoming in the Hon. Gentleman, who appeared to know but little of the Judge Advocate's Office, hafi he obtained co r rect infor ma ti on . H e h a d 'certainly a right to complain of the Hon. Member not makinghimsEdf acotiainted with the real state of the office. It had been said the udgti Advocate enjoyed as much salary as the Chief Justice of •the King's Bench. The salary of the Judge Ad vocate was only 2,5001. Lord Grenville, when Lord of the Treasury, allowed 500!. for an office for the transaction of the husiness.• The Noble Lord was of opinion that it was impossible for any Gentleman to discharge the delicate duties of the office for less compensation. The office being in his house - ite was obliged to pay 501. per annum for accommodation out of it. The office deprived hin• of accommodation the House would have afforded without it. With respect to coals there was none but the coals burnt in the•office. The R.:ct - ht Hon. Gentleman then enumerated the duties he had • to perform, and the great in crease of busineSs in his department since 1306. The Advocate-General's office was an office of reference for every regiment in the service. The duty of Ireland was also thrown upon him. The clerks had been long in the service. One‘tlid served fifty years, and no - person who - really knew their servitude and duties.ciiuld reasonably ob ject•to the compensation allowed. Sir f,. FERGUSON said, the Right He i n. Gen tieman's.Deputy Was the person who officiated in the office, and it would be fair to give the compensation to those who did the duty. Mr. IV - m. ,S2trrn observed, that this was an unpleasant instance of the inconveni....nce attend:- int.; a discussion of this. - iert. When . an Hon. Member complained of extravagance in a parti cular system, another Right Hon. Member started Up and took'to himself the charge. The objec-, tiotrhad beers levelled at the system, not the in- - dividual. *He was of opinion a less salary would: be sufficient. Mr. Girrs supported the amendment. Mr. CJIETWTND again COnt.erlded, that the gra nt proposed was a departure from the economy re commended in his Majesty's Speed' froin the-, Throne. Mr. DEN3.l.tm supporteil the nmendtnent, and praised the individuals on his side the House for their recent labours, with a view to produce re trenchment and economy. CA. DAVIES Supported the amendment. Mr. MARTIN was in favour of the original." rant, Rs not more than a fair remuneration for the labours of office. - Mr. Hums .hral no doubt the Hon. Member would vote for any sum moved from► that side or the House. Mr. MARTIN—I call the Hon. Gentleman to. order,---(Loud cries of hear, hear have ' 1 predilection to v o t e f or t h e sums moved for, as 1. believe they are the least that the public s e rvice i requires. li e was no more un d er t h e contra il of those near him than the Hon. Metnber was" at that of malice----(Order !) Mr. Wm fn . SMI TH rose to or d er: the --- ent motives were mentioned, the allusion was c e '' tainly disorderly. Mr. Humt said, that up to 1806, the duty -" ben done for 10331. an d 310/ . as an allow"" ce for a house, in the time of the late Sir C. Morga"' A Member here loudly called out—" (-2 0 e 5.. tion !" Hum: had no wish to force the subjec t upon the House. Mr. BENNETT----" Gentlemen should recol lect that they ought to listen as well as to vote." Mr. ROBINSON hoped the Hon. Gentletngli would persevere, as the impatience was n ot oil the part of his side of the House. Mr. iiu madetEresumed, and w c a o r nt reduced. H e s h ou ld support t h e amen dment. 0 Mr. IV. Smut' said, that 'Gentlemen w il t called out.` Question" in that manner, came n ° to listen to the debate, but to interrup t it. [Much confusion here took place in the house, from Members desiring to l inow if th e obser' 3 ' Lion was meant to a p p l y to them.] ti n teP Mr. W. SMIT E! h a d app li e d th e observa°,o,e no individual Member; but all u ded to a sehnodtieldd teat w the t allowance e from the lower part of the House, d di 'Dr. Dr. L USHI N OTON sa id , w h en the' datY -)a The minished, thP salary should diminish also• estimate might be reduced to 1200/. a n t. t ; e should 'mov e t o th a t effect, by abolis)l i ":g . ro t Office of Deputy J u d ge AdVocate and As s ' s Judge Advocate. t • After some observati ons f rom L or d iA Milt° ll '; t in, Bathurst; Mr. Hume, Mrec.-kett Mr. ivi and Sir R. Ferguson, the house *divided —. 03. tc , ur • ri t.Y For Mr. Bennett's Amendment 44—Against it 92.--- , "'V ity Mr. Chctwynd's Amendment 51—Against it 133—Maicr..;,2i4, Dr. Lushington's Amendment 53—Against it 82- 313 tin,' 0 1: The original Resol u ti on was agreed to, the House r°'' , and the Chairman obtained leave to report progress' mi d c:' The Timber Repeal Duty Bill was read a fast t rc ' &rad to be read a second time to-naon•ow. The other Orders of the Da'y were then dis2o 9 ed joUrned at a Quarter past Two. POPERY.---- 6 The Protestants all land were cruelly other holy hundredley) Latimer, &c. were burnt alive %v itt ' s to m an , avoid this horrid cr., d t Ic3c6' telty, were force' ° .trts some at Zurich, their own • , countly, and Be into f o rei.gn 1 4 bi who were every where honourably re ce t i ß • e the reformed brethren. abroad • scone 3- 1 .-- ern s : St . r , a ,es bourg, and more at Frankfort. jii the s e cities the English fugitives had churches a llowed t w e 0 by i the magisirates, wherein they used the ir 1. 0 ,., Liturgy and their own rites, as they ha" a t merly done in Enl„ - dand ; I only the chfirell _, Frankfort departed from the customs of her of , t a rN• ; for instead of our Liturgy, they used a li nt y " many persecuted i"yenai riv whereupon np r a,:nrivivie:, , rai-A„,/ potch of prayers, made up of some Geneva fonl: and .some dismembered pieces of our Liturgt,/ .and omitted all the rights and ceremonies of l, Church. The chief patron of these innova_tio; nizs KNox ; but the divines at Zurich and .-', T t r , bis bourg still maintained the ancient Liturg• -`,..:,... controversy was at length referred to CA0.1 1i 7 5 who was not only unlust to our brethren' I ,. n the sentc;nce, . but ficer - 1“:(1 also to exult o'e r For he was pleased to bt; witty afilicted Church after an inhuman man ner• . 1 ., sad occasion, and to call our pious custern.s toisv rabic fooleries and relics of Popery." — l Nlck° Dcfmce of the Church of EnglaA 1707..) and jocular on 0191:,