The Sun. — London, England, 1839-11-29 00:00:00

L i B']. . TO THANK THE ..,AYOR AND MAGISTRATES. ADIIINI6TERING UNLAWFUL OATHS. Newport, Wednesday Night. I forward you a report of an interesting public meeting, held this day. The letter of the late Mayor of Newport will be read with considerable interest, as will also the whole of the proceedings of the meeting. The resolutions do . great credit to the inhabitants of Newport, and there is no doubt but that, if the sub scription for the late Mayor were not confined to Mon mouthshire, a princely sum might be collected to pur chase a memorial worthy of his acceptance. I went to the poor-house this morning, where the prisoners are temporarily confined, for the purpose of seeing Zepha niah Williams sent off for Monmouth. He appeared more cheerful than whe❑ under examination, as though he had found relief in h-aving passed through that ordeal. All is still quiet in Newport, but there are various reports constantly afloat of meetings and threat ened outbreak, &c. ; but I think the spirits of the men are so broken, and they have become so exasperated with the oonduct of their leaders, that there is not much reason to fear another outbreak. Newport, Wednesday. A public meeting.; of the inhabitants of Newport was held this day, for the purpose of publicly acknowledgin4 the divine protection, and for devising such measures as shall secure to Thomas Phillips, junior, Esq., the late Mayor, the Magistrates of the borough, and others em ployed on the occasion of the late riots, the e xpression of the sense which the inhabitants entertain of the high services rendered them by those parties. At one o'clock, there being assembled a large number of the most respectable inhabitants of the town, the Mayor, Thomas Hawkins, Esq., took the chair ; and bay.ng read the requisition convening the meeting, which was signed by nearly one hundred of the most respectable inhabitants of the town, proceeded to read, amidst the most marked si;ence and attention, the following letter from the late Mayor : ~ Newport, Nov. 25, 1839. " My dear Sir, —Being, as I am, unable to join my fellovr.ownstnen in A public expression of the feelings of gratitude they entertain for our recent preservation from imminent dangers, I am induced to trouble you with the present letter, which I will thank you to communi cate to the meeting intended to be holden on Wednes day next. I would begin by expressing, with the re verential awe such 'a subject demands, the deep grati tude which is due to Divine Providence for a preserva tion which human agency could not have afforded. Disposed as we are, by the regularity and order which characterise the government of' the world, to attribute to natural causes the course of human events, it would nevertheless be scarcely possible for any one, who participated in the events of the night of Sun day the 3d instant, from the hour of nine o'clock, when I left my house to go to the Westgate Inn, until nine the following morning, when a handful of men discomfited and put to rout many thousands of armed insurgents (who having been stayed in their course by the elements, and thus deprived of the shelter they hoped for from darkness, were scattered like chaff before the wind, and fled when no one pur sued)—it would be impossible, I say, for any one to reflect upon these events without exclaiming, " This is indeed God's work, and marvellous is it in our eyes!" At the meeting of Wednesday it is, I find, intended to express so much of thanks to the human agents en gaged in the work as it is fitting to entertain on such an occasion ; and it therefore becomes my duty to bear testimony to the zealous exertions of those gentlemen by whom I was surrounded. First, then, in order, as in importance, are my colleagues in the Magistracy, Mr. Brewer and Mr. Edwards. From them I have re ceived the most ready assistance on several occasions, when Chartist violence rendered the interposition of the Magistracy of this borough necessary ; and, on the night of Sunday, whilst Mr. Brewer was either with me, or at the King's Head, directing the arrangements which were deemed necessary, and advising upon the various steps which were taken, Mr. Edwards was stationed with the troops at the barracks (in order to direct those steps which would have been necessary in case an attack had been made upon that place), and kept up a communi cation with us during the night. To such of the inha bitants as were on duty as special constables, I shall ever feel a deep debt of gratitude—a feeling in which, I trust, all my fellow townsmen will participate. Not withstanding the inclemency of the night, and the con viction that thousands of armed men men were as sembled at no great distance, for the purpose of attack ing the town, they fearlessly patrolled the roads leading into the town, kept up our communication with the barracks, and took into custody many of the insur gents, several of whom were armed with deadly weapons. When the conduct of all was admirable, it would be invidious to select instances of zeal, courage, and ac tivity ; but there are two persons whose services I may be permitted to notice, without giving offence to others I whose zeal was equal, but to whom the same opportu nity was not afforded for distinguishing themselves. The persons to whom I refer are Mr. Thomas Walker, of the Parrot, and a son of Mr. Henry Mitchell Par tridge. Mr. Walker, at my request, proceeded after dark, on the night of Sunday, on the road to Rises, and undertook to wait at that place until the insurgents should arrive, when lie was directed to make all haste to Newport, so as to affard us ' as much time as might be practicable for prepa ration. The duty was one which required firm ness sad courage, and was gallantly performed, but was to him the occasion of much suffering. On his return, he was shot at without effect, but received a frightful cut in the groin, from which, I regret to hear, he has not yet recovered. After the dispersion of the insurgents on Monday morning, the greatest source of anxiety to us was the want of a further supply of am munition for the troops. At that time, when the streets were yet filled with the insurgents, Mr. Par tridge's son not only went for a supply of ball cartridge, ' but having succeeded in bringing that supply to the Westgate, afterwards,went to the barracks to request that an additional supply might be forwarded from there. You, who were an active participator in the events of Sunday night, and whose advice and assistance I had frequently occasion to require, will be able to supply any deficiency in the outline which I have given, and to repair any injustice which my omissions may occa sion. I have not alluded to the gentlemen who were wounded in the performance of their duties as special constables at the Westgate, because others can better describe the circumstances under which ' those wounds were received. I have not alluded to the services of the soldiery, although by me they can never be forgotten, as their services have already been publicly acknowledged. And I have not alluded to the county Magistracy, who have so ably and perseveringly assisted in prosecuting the inquiry now pending ; because I have been &privet' of that oppor tunity of witnessing their services which has been af forded to others, and which others can so much better describe. I cannot conclude without expressing the gratitude I feel to my neighbours for the strong sym pathy they have evinced for my sufferings, and the cheering approbation they have expressed of my con duct ; and I bee that you will believe me to be, " My dear Sir, very truly yours, `• T. PHILLIPS, JUN." The MAYOR having read this letter, called upon Mr. J. J. CARDES, who moved the first resolution, to the effect that " The inhabitants of the town of Newport, in public meeting assembled, desired to ac knowledge; that all protection is derived from God alone, and gratefully to recognise His, gracious and special in terference in diverting a late threatened calamity from the town, that otherwise would have involved the loss not only of property but of many valuable lives, and have been the commencement of anarchy and confusion throughout the country." J. Dumas, Esq., seconded the resolution, which was carried unanimously. The Rev. JAMES FRANCIS, on rising to propose the second resolution, was greeted with considerable ap plause. He was sorry to say, as a native of the Prin cipality, that a stain rested upon them that the late occurrences should have been commenced on the Sab bath day ; but at the same time they had to congratu late themselves that amongst the Magistrates and re spectable and loyal portion of the inhabitants, a suffi cient number had been found possessed of the true nobleness of nature, and the best attributes with which the Almighty had endowed man, to repel the attacks of the violent and ruthless men.—( Hear, hear.) He was happy to have this opportunity duct of the late Mayor, not only in reference to the late disturbances, but in general as a Magistrate—imparti4l i n his juugm e_ ins—neither favouring the rich nor oppress ing the poor.—(Applause.) He had had an arduous day ) to perform in ste mm i ng the cut-tent of Chartism for he (Mr , F rancis ) was sorry to s a y th a t near ' one half of the lea din g dema gogues who had bee n agitating the country on this subject were natives of Newport, and they had found no audie nces so ready to receive their doctrines as some of their townsmen. Mr. Phillips had been found fully equal to the arduous duties which those times imposed upon him—( Hear, hear, hear) ; and when the kite lamentable outbreak occurred—when they were all in such immediate peril—they all knew that this gentleman's courage, coolness, determination, and discretion were equa l to the emergenc y .— (o applause.) The Reverend Gentleman conclud e d b y reading the resolution, which was to the effect, " That the meeting, deeply sensible of the essential services rendered to the town (luring the last year by Thoma s Phillips, jun., Esq., and especially during the night o f the 3d and the morning of the 4th instant, feel that he iejustlp entitled,not only to the thanks of the inhabitants, but to som e su b s t an ti a l ex pression of their este em. The resolution also contained an allusion to the ser vices of his brother Magistrates, Messrs. Brewer and Edwards, and the military and special constables who iacted with them. Mr. Davis seconded the resolution. The resolution was then put and carried unanimously. Tttommi PowEist., Esq. (of the Gaer) proposed the third resolution in a short speech, in which he described tha appearance of the Chartists as they marched down, to the number of three thousand, on the morning of the attack. The resolution was. " That a Committee, with liberty to add to their number, should be appointed to receive subscriptions for the purpose of vurchasin2, a suitable piece or service of silver plate ; and that when not less than '2OO/. had been collected, the Comm ttee be authorised to purchase and present the same to Mr. Phillips, in the name of the inhabitants." Mr. DOWLING, in seconding the above resolution, complimented Mr. Powell on the liberality of feeling which prompted his appeal to the meeting. lam happy (said Mr.D.) that instead of cutting coal under Chartist task masters in his own colliery, at Gellygate— (Laughter)—Mr. Powell is here taking his proper sta tion ; and I hope it will never be his fa te to be pat under ground to toil, by those to whom his enterprise and industry have given employment.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) The merits of Mr. Phillips—which have received such high and just e ulogy from gentlemen who have preceded me this day—need note lengthened expa tiation on my part. As an urbane; honourable, and ta lented townsman, his conduct and character are known to most gentlemen here present, and afford a bright ex ample to those who, in the vicissitudes of life's journey, cherish the praiseworthy aspirations of achieving inde pendence and fame, by indomitable industry, honour. able efforts, and unimpeachable integrity.—(Cheering.) The manner in which he has discharged his duties as Chief Magistrate of this town, has been well spoken to by the Rev. Mr. Francis. His zealous attention to the wants and wishes of the people, his firmness and intre pidity in times of peril, when disaffected spirits, with liberty on their I.p s an d t reason in their hearts, were actively abroad, and urging on to violence mis guided and erring men, his highly talented discharge of the judicial business of the civic office, and what has been admitted by all, his undeviating im partiality, merit our highest commendation.—(Cheers.) The intrepidity of a public functionary, in the dis charge of a great and perilous public duty, may well excite applause ; but when to that intrepidity is added cool collectedness and firm self-possession, we look on the man with admiration.—(Cheers.) After Mr. Phillips had, in defence of the little citadel of the Westgate, re ceived severe injuries ; and whilst the medical gentle man was probing his wounds, he communicated with Mr. Blewitt on the best means to be adopted for public safety, and devised his plans with nerve and perspicuity •—(Cheers)—in a word, he fulfilled the character tersely given by a Roman writer of a great mind : " Nec in prosperis nimis elatum, nee in adversis depressum eSse." (Loud cheers.)—Gentlemen, I have received, as editor of the Merlin, several communications from distant quarters, commendatory of the conduct of parties who have distinguished themselves on the late eventful occa sion. Amongst these letters is one from my valued friend, Sir Samuel Meyrick, of Goodrich Court, who expresses a hope that the contributors to any honora rium or testimonial to be given to Mr. Phillips, may not be confined to this town or county ; and in the most handsome manner, Sir Samuel expresses his desire to be enrolled amongst the list of subscribers.—(Much ap plause.) Gentlemen, I need only in conclusion of those few observations say, that I have real pleasure in answer ing the call upon me, to second Mr. Powell's resolution, and sincerely hope that the descendants of Mr. Phillips mar, by the proposed testimonial, be stimulated to emu late his honourable example.—(Cheers.) THOS. PROTHEROE, Esq., (of Malpas), moved the Fourth resolution, in a short address. With respect to the gentlemen named in the resolution which he (Mr, Protheroc) had the honour to propose, their conduct had been such as to merit the best thanks of their fel. low townsmen.—(Applause.) With regard to the first• named gentleman, Mr. Brewer, he had been constant in his attendance and unflinching in his duty throughout the memorable night of Sunday, the 3d, and the morn ing of Monday, the 4th ; and during the whole of the time, he never once lost sight of their late worthy Mayor.—(Applause ) With respect to Mr. Edward's, he was stationed at the poor-house, as, from the informa tion the Magistrates had received, it was expected that a simultaneous attack would have been made at the two points, the Westgate and the poor-house. Mr. Edwards had made such arrangements as enabled him to keep up a constant communication with the Magis trates during the night, and thus conveyed much valu able information to his colleagues at the Westgate.— (Hear, hear.) Mr. Protheroe then read the resolution, to the effect that the cordial thanks of this meeting be given to William Brewer and Lewis Edwards, Esqrs., which was carried unanimously. The resolution was seconded by Mr. GOUGH. Mr. F. JUSTICE proposed the fifth resolution, which was a vote of thanks to the special constables. This also was carried without a dissentient. THOMAS PROTHEROE then introduced a resolution to the notice of the weeting, which was not included in the original list. It was a vote of thanks to R. J. Blewitt, Esq., M.P. ; Octavius Morgan, Esq. ; the Rev. James Coles, and the other county Magistrates, to whom they were so much indebted both for their pre vious exertions and their subsequent attendance at the examinations down to this day. Mr. LATCH seconded the resolution, andit was carried. Thanks were then voted to the Mayor, Thomas Hawkins, Esq., for his conduct in the chair, and the meeting broke up. THE EXAMINATIONS. WEDNE•DAY, Nov. 27.—Magistrates present—The Mayor, Thomas Hawkins, Esq. ; Rev. J. Coles, Octa vius Morgan, S. Homfray, Esq., and W, A. Williams, Esq., M.P. Mr. Phelps, solicitor for the prosecution ; Mr. Tho mas Jones Phillips, Clerk to the Magistrates ; and Mr. Genet) appeared for the prisoners. Mr. Phelps conducted the examinations as before. James Nall and John Lewis were placed at the bar, charged with administering unlawful oaths. John Pollock stated—l live at Pillgwenlly. lam a labourer. I remember Sunday the 3d of November. I went to bed about half-past nine. I heard a rap at the door, and I heard a man tell the landlord to call up Patrick Hickey. Patrick Hickey slept in the same room with me. Patrick Hickey got up, and I went down stairs after him for the candle. I then saw two men standing inside the door. I went up stairs again, and in about half an hour after I heard another knocking at the door. Some person told my landlady to call up all the men in the house. My landlady is Mrs. Glyn. She then called out, and said, " Get up, lads, there are some persons here who want you.' Five men lodged in the house besides me. We all got up and went down stairs. I saw the same two men as be fore ; they told us to make haste and come along with them. I went with them outside the door. I saw a number of men, and we all went together to a house near the canal side, opposite the pottery. I do not know whose house it was. I saw the prisoner John Lewis in the house when I went there afterwards. The two men who called on us took us to the house. Wh e n I we went up stairs there was a man and woman sitting down, eating their supper. I think it was near ten o'clock. The man that was eating his supper asked for a book. One of them fetched the book from down stairs, The man that was eating his supper then said to Patrick Hickey, " You had better swear in those men ; you know better how to do it than I do." Patrick Hickey refused, and said he had better do it b;.mself. The man then gave me the book, which I took in my Icft hand, end the man told me to take it in my right hand. He then said. " Do you know, my lad, what you are going to do ?" I said I did not. He then said, " Don't be afraid ; you must not be bribed with money, but you must fight for the Charter, so help you God. Kiss the book." A lodger that had come from our house was then sworn in. I did not hear whether it was the same oath, but I saw him kiss the book, and the rest did so one after another. We afterwards went down stairs. The book I kissed was like a Bible. When I came down stairs the man gave me a short bar of iron nearly two feet long. He gave another man who had been sworn a larger bar of iron. He did not tell us what to do with them. I carried the bar from the house. It was sharp at one end like a chisel. The man who ad ministered the oaths did not conic out of the house wit h us. Tue two men that came to call us told us to come along with them. They did not say where. They took us along the canal side to the first turnpike on the Poutv pool road. I and another man hid ourselves in a ditch, because we did not like to go with them, i;, was so wet, and I made my escape. I did not sec either of the prisoners there that night. The prisoner James Wall works at the same place with me. I did not see him that night. The prisoners were remanded for further examina tion, in consequence of the absence of material wit- nesses. John Wilton was then placed at the bar, charged with being conceraed in the late riots. After evidence had been heard, The Chairman said—John Wilton, the Magistrates have considered your case ; and my advice to you is to go back to Bristol, and get rid of the foolish notions you have imbibed. You are now discharged. Mr. Leach, solicitor, then applie d to the M agistrates on behalf of Zephaniah Williams (who was committed yesterday), to have the money (100 found onur hi s per _ son when apprehended a l lo wed him, for the pp ose of defraying the expenses of his defence. He concluded justice. The saying it would be an act of merc y as well as The Chairman said that they had not the power to make any such order ; they must apply to the Judge ? John Gwillam was placed at the bar on a charge of high treason, but the evidence being immaterial he was discharged. Robert Alexander was placed at the bar charged • with sedition and having treasonable and seditious pub ; lications in his possession, but after some evidence of no interest the Solicitor for the prosecution declined to press the charge, and the prisoner was dismissed. The C ourt t h en adjourned till Friday, at eleven o'clock. The ope ra ti ons at present going on at the pier of Leith have b rou ght m o toyiew vario us s pecimens of anti quity. an Fridaymornin g o ,i t fTeor om a o r f g e w cannon a balls ; w t e h r e e former was so much ozidize the length of time it has remained in the sand that it bas lost more than half of its original weight.—Edinburgh Paper. THE SUN, LONDON. FRADAY, NOVEMBER 29, 1839. be more dangerous to the peace and safety of the country than to allow the officers in the army to sanc tion, by their presence and approval, such gross and infamous attacks upon the Royal authority and charac ter as were made by Messrs. Roby, Gregg, Bradshaw, and other clerical and lay dispensers of treason. Such language, in the first instance, evinced disaffection in those from whom allegiance was more especially clue, and thereby encouraged those inclined to resort to violence with the hope that the army would not act against them. If our memory does not deceive us, Messrs. Oastler, Stephens, and other Tories who have for the nonce appeared to make common cause with the people, openly encouraged an appeal to physical force, on the grounds that the army would not act in the suppression of rebellion. In the next place, when it would have become known that the hostility of the mi- litary authorities to the Government arose, not from sym pathy with the people, but from a hatred towards Government for endeavouring to comply with their claims, the feelings of the discontented would natu rally become more aggravated against the army, whose presence, in such case, so far from being calculated to suppress riot, would serve as the signal and pro vocative of revolt. This, and not exultation over a discomfited faction, is our motive in approving the reprimand given by Lord Hill to Colonel Thomas, Major Maclean, and Captain Ainslie, and other officers of the Royal Dragoons. The allusions made, in the letter conveying the reprimand, to the correspon dence between these officers and the Commander of the Forces, imply a prevarication on the part of the former as unbecoming the character of men of honour, as was the language they sanctioned by their presence disgrace. ful to their loyalty. Colonel Thomas and Captain Ainslie plead ignorance of what the expressions really were. Major Maclean and the other officers " cannot vouch for particular expressions used by Mr. Roby upon that occasion." Such replies are sheer subter fuges—a dastard's screen of conscience against lying. In approving the propriety of the reprimand we by no means pledge ourselves to the sanction of such interference of authority under ordinary circumstances. Nothing but the urgency of the case would have in duced us to applaud the proceeding. It appears by the letter that " Lord Hill thinks it scarcely necessary to add that the prohibition to attend party meetings, in their military capacity (except when on duty and in aid of the civil authorities of the country) applies to the officers of the army at large." In prohibiting the at tendance of officers at party meetings in a military capacity," unless in the excepted cases, we perfectly concur ; but while objecting to their presence in a 6/i- Cary capacity, we by no means infer that the soldier should forfeit the rights of citizenship, or be debarred from giving as free utterance to his thoughts as other men, provided he transgress not the bounds of loyal and free discussion. To the Tories, however, this re primand from Lord Hill must come with withering effect: but as we wish not to aggravate the humiliation of those specifically censured we shall leave them to bite the dust of their degradation. (From the Chronicle.) which are not tolerated at the Horse-Guards. We should not have adverted so much to these disgrace ful doings and omissions, had they not been very different things from the simple and honest utterance of political opinion, however erroneous. To his opinions the Absolutist or the Republican has an unquestionable right, and to their peaceful expres sion. And if he bears with dignity the injurious con sequences to himself of what society deems his erro neous opinions, he is entitled to respect. But not so those who basely vituperate and indecently vilify ; who employ the means of falsehood for the ends of faction ; who put on the mask of hypocrisy and kindle the hell fire of bigotry ; who have crawled the most servilely as they now bully the most ferociously ; and who, when they ought like honest men to bear the burden of their blunders, in whatever privations it may impose, wri:: gle, and quibble, and equivocate, while affecting to look big, and exhibit a Janus head of knave and martyr. For such we have no respect ; and who has ? They march with o3e another, in the drill of faction ; they lie for one another ; but they do not respect one another ; they do not respect themselves. EVILS CONNECTED WITH RAIL WAY CLERKS. T 0 THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. 89, Great Russell-street, Nov. 27. Stn, —The remarks, extracted from the Poly technic Journal in reference to the " unnecessary e vils, &c., in railroad travelling," induce me to trouble you with the following facts, illustrative of the statements therein made. Last Thursday I had to travel to Weybridge on professional duty, and went to the George and Blue Boar Tavern, in Holborn, to go by the omnibus to the Vauxhall station of the Southatnp ton Railway. All that I had with me was a carpet bag, which, containing some delicate articles, I kept in my hand. As I was about to get into the omnibus the pert conductor cried out " Here, give us your bag." I observed in reply, that I would keep my bag. He observed, " Your bag shall not go in side" (there was one passenger inside) ; " your bag goes outside." I went to the door of the om nibus again, and with all the impudence which ignorance imparts, he kept the door shut, and said I am master here," and would not allow the door to be opened. I was obliged to take a cab to Hungerford Mar ket to gain the steam-boat. On my return, on the following morning, I went to the office at Weybridge, and presented myself to the clerk for a ticket ; he took no notice of my application, but told me to stand out of the way, for I was " in his light." On the evening of the Friday I had to visit Windsor on professional business, and on my re turn to town on Saturday morning, on reaching Slough I presented a sovereign in payment for my fare, and the clerk replied " No change," although while I waited the young man received more than would have given change. These things are to be regretted—they indicate something bad in these railways. I have not found it so at the London and Bir mingham Railway, and I have had some experience there, having this year paid for travelling on that railway to Birmingham and Manchester upwards of 1301. Your's obediently, JOHN EPPS, M.D. BRADFORD Cliv-)RCH-RATE. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. We have had a glorious battle here to-day, and a glorious victory. Dr. Scoresby, the celebrated naviga tor, lately appointed Vicar, has endeavoured to carry the Church-rates, which have been dormant some years. A meeting was held last Friday in the church-yard and a poll demanded ; the polling commenced yesterday and terminated at four o'clock to-day (Wednesday.) This day week the result will be declared, but the fol lowing is the presumed state of the question. Your's respectfully, A CONSTANT READER. FINAL CLOSE OF THE POLL. SECOND DAY AT FOUR O'CLOCK. Against the Rate 3,892 For the Rate Majority against the Rate -2,201 Bradford, N0v.27. SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS FROM THE MORNING PAPERS OF THIS DAY. (From the Times.) The late accounts from the Mediterranean appear to have been penned in moments of rather sanguine con fidence as to the speedy solution of some, at least, among the difficulties which have hitherto frustrated the settle• ment of the question between Turkey and Mehemet Ali. A respectable evening paper of yesterday extracts a passage from a Maltese letter of the 16th inst., where in it is asserted that the Confiance steamer had arrived the preceding day with despatches, dated the 10th, from Sir Robert Stopford, then anchored in Vourla Bay. The writer adds, that the same vessel (Confiance) brought intelligence of the Turkish fleet being on its way from Alexandria to Constantinople. Now, it will be observed that the " intelligence" of that important fact is not affirmed to have been official intelligence, or the despatches of Sir Robert Stopford to have said one word about the matter. So that the whole credit of the statement rests upon a vague allegation in a private letter, that " the Con fiance brought" such and such a piece of news ; with regard to which the first comment of every rational person must be, that an event of such considerable and auspicious magnitude ought to have been trans mitted to Malta through some precise, authentic, and unquestionable channel. In the absence of all corrobo rating evidence to the truth of the above loose and iso lated information, it behoves us to suspend our belief of the story, with, nevertheless, a hearty and earnest hope that not only the restoration of the fleet may prove cor rect, but the more extensive and decisive benefit of which it is represented to be either the fruit or harbinger, viz., the adjustment of all immediate differences be tween the Pacha of Egypt and the Porte—embracing, if they do really' embrace, others dependent on them or connected with them, between the European Powers. To us it has long appeared a question of some per plexity how even the immediate subjects of quarrel now or lately pending, from the Bosphorus to the Nile, could be securely set at rest. The value to be affixed to a restoration of the Turkish fleet in the eyes of any reasonable advocate of peace through out Europe would be its indication of a readiness on the part of Mehemet Ali to accede to the de mands of the Christian Powers. But what were those demands ? If they corresponded with the assurances of England, Austria, and Russia, that they would permit no spoliation of the Turkish em pire, but would preserve its integrity unimpaired, it is impossible that those demands could be satisfied by a cession in perpetuity to Mehemet Ali of the vast pro vince of Syria, of which he had obtained no more than military occupation, ivi.l that so recently, added to the possession of the great isle of Candia for life, and that of Egypt for ever. Yet those are the terms on which we are told that peace is to be re-established between the two Mahometan Powers, with the consent moreover of England, mid in conformity with the views of France, concurred in by Russia, and by the sober-minded Aus trian Government. One of two things is absolutely un deniable—either that the above arrangement has not been agreed to, or, if it has, that the questions which have been at issue are not settled, but remain more em broiled, if possible, than ever. That France, in the pro secution of her own grasping projects, should be eager to effect an initiatory breaking up of Turkey by the se paration of all her African provinces, and to enfeeble her still further by the loss of Syria, it is very easy to believe. Besides the continued life of Mehemet Ali, now seventy years of age, there would in that case be no visible obstacle to retard the undertaking of an enterprise long planned and programmatized in the bureaux of the French Government, the execu tion of which only, but not the suggestion, was left for Napoleon Bonaparte, Turkey once dismembered of her two finest maritime provinces by a treaty to which all the European Powers lent their formal sanction, neither the Porte nor any of those Powers could show one argument of recognized right for employing force in opposition to the enterprise of France, nor any better than such as might be founded on mere individual and disputable jealousy of her am biti ;n. It is France only, therefore, that could be really gratified by the disgraceful abandonment of all professed principles, of which the other three Powers would be guilty in authorizing that iniquitous usur pation, miscalled a " settlement," through whicl, Egypt would be agerandized and Turkey ruined ; and the groundwork laid for a future, and not distant struggle, between the maritime states of Europe them selves, for the protection of Egjptian independence on one side, and the seizure of the country on the other. If asked, therefore, whether we believe or not, that an adjustment of the Turkish differences has been for the present effected on the terms alluded to, our answe r must be in the negative. We believe not th( i n telligence," because it would imply the most con summate rashness in some of the ne go ti at i ng par ti es . We are unwilling to believe that a general arrangement has taken place on the terms stated, because it would be utterly degrading to the British empire. To the re turn of the Turkish fleet there can be no possible ob jection, if Mehemet Ali wills it ; but, to our paying an extravagant price for it, we trust that most Englishmen will agree with us, the objections are not to be sur mounted. We reprint from the Standard the correspondence o; Colonel Thomas with the Horse-Guards, which pre ceded the censure with which Lord Hill has visited the offence of the officers who attended the Conservative meeting at Ashton on the 30th ult. The reprimand itself appeared in our paper of yesterday. The mode of making public this correspondence is a specimen of Tory tactics. An appeal to the press on a question of military discipline, between a soldier or officer and his superiors, is not usually made with impunity. If it could, the holding an army together would be no easy matter. But your thorough Tory cares as much for military dis cipline as for religious or moral principle, when the sordid joint-stock interests of his party are concerned. The publication of the correspondence will, it has been thought, serve the Tory cause. So, out it comes. But, then, the " gallant men" whose spirit is to be vindi cated—do they stnnd the brunt and take the conse quences, like the Chelmsford shoemaker, when he resists the five shillings and sixpence rate ? 0, dear, no : Colonel Thomas gives a copy con fidentially to a dear friend ; and he, either directly, or through some other dear confidential friend, places it in the hands of the editor of the standard, who prints it without " Colonel Thomas's authority, or even his knowledge ;" does it on his own " sole responsibility ;" and runs no risk, we are very sure. of finding that re sponsibility at all inconvenient. The two thieves in the fable, of whom one truly swore that he had not got the stolen leg of mutton, and the other as truly swore that he did not take it, seem to have suggested the in genious division of responsibility by which one party escapes the penalty of publishing the correspondence, and the other avoids that of a violation of confidence. We know not whether the military or the editorial profession has most reason to congratulate itself on having members capable of so clever an arrangement. Toryism is the same throughout—from beginning to end, and from top to bottom. It grasps at every. thing ; lets go nothing ; skulks, evades, fawns, rn sults ; and covets at once the credit of the confessor and the gains of the pickpocket. It is an unsightly fungus on the trunk of humanity—a noisome ulcer on the British character. In both Colonel Thomas's let ters he avoids giving any opinion on the indecent lan guage quoted from Mr. Roby's speech. He says the expressions are quoted "as most insulting and disre spectful towards the Queen," but with that dry fact he leaves them. They do not move him. He does not con demn them. He is not indignant that he should be supposed capable of listening quietly to the infamous scurrility. He has not a word of reprobation for it. He has only a panegyric for the scandalous orator. Colonel Thomas's eulogy on Mr. Roby's speech for its " high spirit of loyalty" must be taken either as a Tory joke, intended to be understood between himself and his correspondent, or as a proof that the intel lect which is adequate to the command of a regi ment may fail most lamentably in characterising the tenor and spirit of a speech which is yet so plain as to be " level to the lowest understanding." We are surprised that Colonel Thomas does not mention his deafness. Very deaf must he and his brother officers be not to have heard the most highly-wrought passage in the speech, a passage on which the speaker, as a Conservative orator, evidently piqued himself ; a pas sage which the Conservatives present heard, and which they marked, from sentence to sentence, by re peated laughs and repeated plaudits. A military man, and especially one entrusted with command, should have quicker senses. Were the civil contest which has been threatened to break out, this auditory obtuseness might fail to distinguish between " God save Queen Victoria," and " Long live King Ernest." We do not like deaf officers who do " not hear particular expressions." The imputation on the report of Mr. Roby's speech, both by Colonel Thomas and the Standard, is very pitiful. Do the Tory journals falsify the speeches of their own orators, and interpolate them with insults on the Sovereign ? The filthy calumny in question lies between their orators and their journalists. Atleast that is wheraColonel Thomas and the Standard have put it. We are again reminded of the thieves with the leg of mutton in the fable. But the trick will not serve. Let the Standard consult its own files ; let it refer to Mr. Roby's own latter ; the paltry pre text comes too late. The offensive words are avowed beyond the possibility of mystification. Mr. Roby's vanity has precluded his accommo dating Colonel Thomas and the Standard at the expense of some nameless reporter. There stands the dunghill, certified under his own dirty hands, and the stains of its filth are on all the parties. The Stan dard evidently, if not purposely, misinterprets the terms of Lord Hill's reprimand, in representing it as prohibit ing any attendance of military men at public meetings. The words arc " party meetings, in their military capa city." The distinction makes all the difference between this case and that of other officers to whom the Standard alludes. Nor is this the point of the censure. It is directed against the fact that Colonel Thomas and the other officers in question have placed themselves in the mortifying predicament of being obliged to confess that they lent their presence to a meeting of a strong party character, at which expressions were uttered wnich they are unprepared to prove the tropriety of towards the person of their Sovereign. Only a disloyal Tory symposium could have betrayed them into such a scrape. And, even then, they might have been raised instead of lowered, in consequence of their presence, had they protested, as English gentlemen might have been expected to protest, against the foul ispersion. By this censure Lord Hill has ailvanta• geously distinguished himself from other authorities who are not less bound to enforce decency in their subordi nates. Why are not the clergy of Ashton, Roch dale, and Canterbury reprimanded also ? Is Dr. Russell less culpable than Colonel Thomas ? Can a ny milita r y i rregu l ar i t i es be more offensive tha n those of th e B r i sto l c l e rgymen, which have com pelled the Lord-Lieutenant of the county to abser.4 himself ev en f rom t h e i r professedly chari t a bl e meet , ings, in consequence o f the insulting language used towards th e Queen ? The Dissen ter is made to feel, to his cost, th at t h e Ch urc h has sonic power of discip line. It can l evy fi ne an d inflict imprisonmentfor a five-and-sixpen n y offence against the pocket. We may not expect Tory Bishops to protect the character of a Queen, who is not the sworn slave of their faction, with the same vigour that is put forth for five-and-six- pence. But episcopal charges, and circulars, and speeches, do afford opportunities for the expression of opinion and the administration of rebuke. Those op portunities are not altogether neglected when any lack is evinced of profound respect for the mitre. And it may be thought, by the laity, that there is no pro priety in putting the army very much a-head of the Church in decency. The Bishops have waited till a Tory soldier has set them the example of enforcing good manners towards the Sovereign. That is, waiting quite long enough to show their pious humility, which presses not into the front rank even for the rebuke of seditious ribaldry, and its quiescent or applauding recep tion. How much longer will their reverend Lordships wait ? How much longer tolerate the irreverence which clerical faction hurls, not at themselves indeed, because their sympathy is assumed, but only at the head o f t h e i r Church ? It ia surely an a nomaly that impurities should repose quietly under the shadow of a Cathedral (From the Morning Advertiser.) Lord Hill, as will be seen by a letter placed this da ) before our readers, has most properly rebuked those officers who were present at the " Conservative" meeting at Ashton-under-Line, when Mr. Roby enter tained his Tory auditory with infamous and treasonable imputations against her Majesty. It is not in the spirit of exultation over a fallen faction that we regard this reprimand, but as a salutary check to those wild ebulliti ons o f party rage and traitorous maleyAnce which certa i n members of the Church and of the army have lately exhibited against the Sovereign. In ordinary cases we are i nsepara bly adverse to the interference . of aut h or i ty w i t h t h e free expression of opinion ; but the present, whether considered in respect to the virulent tr eason o f the language u tt ere d, or the existing circumstances of the country, cannot be con• sidered as an ordinary case. Rebellion with its at tendant horrors is makin g demonstrations in several parts of the kingdom, w hil e t h e d i spos i t i on w hi c h her Majesty has evinced to alle v i a t e t h e su ff er ings and remove the wrongs in which that rebellion had origin, has provoked from those who ought to be the fore most to defend the throne, calumnies against the Sovereign as a Queen, as a Christian, and as a woman, so atrocious as to involve the lo ss o f lif e, sou l , an d reputation. Under such circumstanc es nothing could MONEY MARKET and CITY NEWS (THURSDAY EVENING.) TIMES.—The following notice, which does not at all differ from the last, was issued at the Bank this afternoon : " The Governor and Company of the Bank of England are ready, until further notice, to receive ap plications for Loans upon the Deposit of approved Bills of Exchange, not having more than six months to run, such loan to be repaid on or before the 17th of January next, at the rate of interest of 6 per cent. per annum, and not to be for sums less than 2,0001. esch.—Bank.of England, Nov. 28, 1839." The funds have been quiet but steady to-day, with very trifling va-iations only from the prices of yesterday. Business has been extremely active in the Foreign Market, in which the settlement of the account will take place to-morrow. The transactions in Peninsular stocks, more especially Spanish, have been on so large a scale, and the fluctuations and decline of price so con- siderable, that the arrangement is likely to be a more difficult affair than on any other similar occasion for some time past, although it is generally understood that speculators out of the house will prove the greatest sufferers. POST.—The accommodation proposed to be afforded to the public, in virtue of this notice, will have the effect of releasing the amount of currency that may be expected to be withdrawn from circulation during the next six or seven weeks by the payments made into the Exchequer on account of duties. Relief will tlso be given until the re-opening of the transfer-books, which are about to close, preparatory to the arrangemdnt of the dividends. The rate of interest continues the same ; , and, in other respects, it will be observed that there is nothing in the present announcement to distinguish it from those which have usually made their appearance of late at this season of the year. We may suppose that the provisions of the recent loan, or conversion, still pre vent the Bank Directors from including in it Exchequer Bills as eligible for the object mentioned. The Consol Market was nearly stationary all the day, but with a tendency to advance. The fluctuations in the Foreign Funds were rather important. To-morrow will be the account-day for that branch of the Stock Exchange, and, to judge from what occurred this morning, in anticipation, or, if we may so express ourselves, at the rehearsal, there will be some difficulty in bringing it to a satisfactory conclusion. By some it is feared there may be a repetition, on a small scale, of what took place in connection with the memo rable May account of 1835, the traffic in Spanish Bonds being now, as was the case at that pe riod, the cause of all the mischief. The Actives were quoted in the early part of the day at some thing approaching 24, but, towards the close of busi ness, several large bull accounts were talked of, and operations to a considerable extent were entered into against tbem, in accordance with the ordinary tactics of the jobbers, as the best means of protecting themselves from their threatened losses. The fluctua tions ranged during the morning from 23i to 24, but the quotation, at the close of the market, was only 23* to The Account is evidently the most eventful one there has been to adjust for a very long time past, and we should fear that ninny respectable members of the Stock Exchange may find themselves unpleasantly in volved in it. The " court fraternity" are not liable to the inconvenience and degradation of having their names chalked in large letters on the black board within the house ; but cases of default have, we un derstand, already been made known among that class of babblers, and one of them, at least, is a case of some importance. HERALD.—There has been a slight impression with some parties, for the past day or two, that the Bank of England Direction had it in contemplation, on the shutting of the transfer books, to raise the tate of interest, in consequence of the late accounts from the United States. With well-informed persons this opinion obtained no credence whatever ; indeed, we believe that where it could be done with safety the Bank has discounted liberally this week. The inten tion of raising the rate of interest is, however, com pletely negatived by the Bank notice. Referring to the above notice it is almost needless to state that the Commercial Money Market is easy on good credits. • By the official returns of the actual eiports of bullion from the 20th to the 26th of this month, it appears that the exportation of silver in coin amounts to 256,554 oz., and of gold in bars 420 oz. The public, as well as the jobbers in the British Funds, appear at present to hesitate before they enter into large speculations for the new account ; the mar ket has therefore been tranquil, yet the prices of yes terday have been fully maintained. The progress of the arrangement of the half-monthly account in the Foreign Market to-day has proceeded in a manner which certainly cannot be at all satisfac tory to the gulls and knaves on the outside of Capel court, or to many of the jobbers in the house, who have lately abetted an unwarranted speculation in the infamous securities of Spain and Portugal. Indeed, the tremendous exertions which the bull party have used to bolster up Spanish Bonds during the past fort night, have decoyed many fools into dealing in these precious securities, without a why or a wherefore, to their cost ; but the settling of this account will afford a useful warning to those who have not deserted their legitimate occupations to hazard their small savings by dabbling in securities of whose intrinsic merit they can form no correct opinion. The settling of this account, which is of a decided bull character, has passed over but heavily to-r , ay, and there has been much difficulty, in many instances, in obtaining loans upon Spanish or Portuguese Bonds, but Spanish especially. A large outside defaulter was declared, and there are fears that some further difficulties may arise both in and out of the Foreign House in the course of to-morrow. The anxiety which has lately prevailed amongst all parties connected with the China trade appears to be somewhat on the increase, respecting the real intentions of her Majesty's Government on the subject of the late destruction of the opium drug by the Chinese authori ties ; and it has several times been stated that Govern ment had determined to blockade the Chinese ports, with a view to obtain restitution ; but as those rumours evidently had no authority, they have been treated by us and others as mere flying reports, got up with a view to encourage speculation in teas, silks, and other Chi nese products. To-day, however, we have received in formation, from a source upon which we can confidently rely, that Lord Palmerston has forwarded a note to the United States Minister, intimating that. it is the inten tion of her Majesty's Government to blockade the Chi nese ports rigidly, if circumstances render it necessary. SUN.—The Bank Notice continuing the rate of dis counts at 6 per cent., and excluding Exchequer Bills, has rathur tightened the Money Market this afternoon, and on Change there was much hesitation on the part of the merchants to enter largely into any operations. The public sales to-day have consisted principally of drugs, of Java coffee, and of pepper, all of which have gone off extremely heavily. The payment of the differences on the Consol Ac count were made to-day without much difficulty. The trial will, however, be to-morrow, on the occasion of the settlement of the Foreign Account. One " lame duck" (an Alley man) , was announced this afternoon, who has let in most of his brother speculators in Spanish Stock to a very heavy amount. This circumstance will tend to increase the pressure within the House, as many very respectable, brokers do not hesitate, in order to get " the turn " of the Market, to transact business with the " excluded." Money will, in all probability, be very dear to•morrow. Consols for Money left off at• 901 f, and for Account at 91i I. Exchequer Bills are at 4 discount. Bank Stock has fallen to 178, and India Stock to 2513-. Preparations for the settlement were the order of the day in the Foreign Market, and a heavy account indeed is expected. Spanish fell to 23, Portuguese to 31, Brazil to 703-, Mexican to 281, and Colombian to 291 These were about the latest prices of the day. Shares look heavy. Brighton Railway has fallen to 16 discount, Croydon Scrip to discount, and Colonial Bank to 34 premium. The Duchess of Buccleuch and Miss Carr have returned to Montague House, from Brighton. There have been some very heavy commercial failures at Venice. ITALY, PAST AND FUTURE.—The valuable papers which are appearing in the Metropolitan, entitled " Italy, Past and Future, by an Exile," are exciting very considerable attention. We understand they have been characterised as highly important by some of the first authorities in the literary world. The period em braced in the forthcoming Number is c onsidered to be particularly interesting. In addition to this the De cember Number of this popular periodical will contain the commencement of a new nautical story, by the Author of Rattlin the Reefer, and several other articles of peculiar attraction. CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN THE HORSE GUARDS AND CO L. THOMAS (Published in the Standard of No venibz,r2B:) Horse Guards, Nov. 8, 1839. Sir—Lord Hills attention having be en attracted by a report published in the accompanying impression of the Times newspaper of the 2d instant, of s pceches made at a meeting denominated " a Conservative Association," at Ashton-under-Lyne, on Wednes d,iy, the 30th ultimo, in one of which speeches, more particu larly that made by Mr. Roby, expressions most insulting and disrespectful towards the Queen are stated to have been uttered on that occasion, and that in your hearing, as well as in the hearing of other officers now employed in the northern district, I have received Lord Hill's commands to point out these expressions to you, and to desire that, on receipt hereof, you acquaint me, for his Lordship's information, whether you heard them ; and if you did, whether you expressed your disapprobation thereof upon hear• ing them. I am to add that it is most painful to Lord Hill to know that officers of the army were present on such an occasion ; but that his Lordship will refrain from pass ing any opinion on the case until you shall have fur nished such explanation relative thereto, as you may be prepared to submit for his consideration. The expressions to which this letter alludes are tran scribed in red ink in the margin. . . You will be pleased to return the newspaper with your answer. (Signed) J. MACDONALD, A.G. (Extracts referred to.) " He trusted the Duke and Sir Robert Peel would purge the Court of that filth which stunk in the nos trils of all but those who did not know virtue from vice, purity from impurity, innocence from youth ; for virgin innocence was banished from the Palace, while vice rioted rampant at the Royal board.—(Cheers.)" " He was sorry to use such words, but they were the words of truth and soberness." " A Lady Flora Hastings was dismissed with scorn and obloquy, and fell a sacrifice, whilst a Melbourne and a Headfort—(Faugh)—basked in the sunshine of Royal favour.—(Applause.)" " When any one aimed a blow at the epicure admi nistration, down he .skulked behind the embroidered petticoats and the flounces and the furbelows of the ladies of the Court.—(Laughter.)" Stockport, Nov. 9, 1839. " Sir—l have had the honour to receive your letter of yesterday's date, calling upon me to state, for Lord Hill's information, whether I heard certain expressions quoted in the margin of that letter, as most insulting and disrespectful towards the Queen, and purporting to be an extract from a speech made by Mr. Roby, at a meeting ' denominated' a Conservative Association, at Ashton-under-Lyne, on the 30th ult. " In reply, I beg to state that, without pretending to be able to determine with any degree of certainty the .correctness of isolated expressions extracted from re ports of speeches delivered on the occasion referied to, I can with confidence assert, that the whole tenor of Mr. Ruby's speech at the dinner breathed a high spirit of loyalty to the Monarchy; and I beg further to add that a s no expression uttered by that gentleman con veyed to my mind that the slightest disrespect, much less insult, was offered or intended to the Queen, there appeared no ground for the expression of my disap probation, and 1 had flattered myself that my long and faithful services of upw arils of one-and-forty years might have assured Lord Hiil that I would not have been wanting had such an impression been received by me. " I have to lament that the knowledge of officers having been present on such an occasion should be painful to Lord Hill. With reference to myself, I was honoured with an invitation, as a Member of Parliament, to meet Sir F. Burdett, which I could have no hesita tion in accepting. " The prompt reply demanded has prevented me from having any communication with the other officers, who I understood, when I met them at the dinner, were invited as an acknowledgment, on the part' of the neighbouring gentry, of the high sense they entertained of their services in support of the magistracy, and the protection they afforded to life and property during the Chartist disturbances, and which was conveyed in the most gratifying terms when their health was proposed. " H. THOMAS, " Col. Corn. 20th Regiment." " Stockport, Nov. 16, 1839. " do myself the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of yesterday's date, conveying to me Lord Hill's express desire, that in my answer to your letter of the 12th instant, I shall confine myself to the simple denial (or admission) required of me by that communication, omitting the words—' Which, in my opinion, is a garbled report of what that gentleman did say in his speech at the Ashton dinner.' " Having in my letter of the 9th instant asserted with confidence that the whole tenor of Mr. Roby's speech on the occasion referred to, breathed a high spirit of loyalty to the monarchy, and that no expression ut tered by that gentleman conveyed to my mind, that the slightest disrespect,much less insult,was offered or intended to the Queen, and that consequently there appeared no grounds for the expression of my disapprobation which would not have been wanting if such an impression had been received by me :' " Having further stated in my letter of the 114th inst., That I did not hear the particular expressions on the occasion referred to,' and quoted in the margin of your letter of the Bth inst., which in my opinion is a garbled report of• what that gentleman did say in his speech at the Ashton dinner : " I now beg to acquaint you, for the information of Lord Hill, that, with the greatest respect and submis sion to the Commander•in-Chief, I have nothing further to offer in explanation ; nothing to retract or omit from what I have already stated, and I stand upon my character as a soldier, and my birthright as a gentleman, which I cannot help feeling have been re flected upon by most unmerited suspicion. (Signed) " H. THOMAS, Colonel. " Lieut.-Col. Commanding the 20th Regt. " The Adjutant• General, Horse Guards." NORWICH UNION LIFE ASSURANCE OFFICE. A meeting of the assurers in this office took place in the Assembly Rooms at Norwich, on Tuesday, for the purpose of considering the report of the examiners who had been appointed two years since to inquire into and ascertain the precise position of the affairs of the Society. The room was crowded to excess, and it was calculated that there were as many as between 500 and 600 assurers present. Colonel Hervey was called to the chair. After some conversation, the nature of the duties which it was expected the Secretary should perform was read to him in the following terms :—" That the secre tary's salary be 2,000/. per annum, with the use of the house in Surrey (excepting such part as was let to the fire-office), and that he attend a.l meetings of the Direc tors, prepare and enter the minutes, conduct the cor respondence with agents, and the advertising, receiving, and giving receipts for daily payments, and cause the same to be sent to the bankers daily, making all pay ments, and generally conducting the affairs of the office not confided to the actuary." Mr. FULLER moved a resolution, which had for its object the appointment of a Committee, for the purpose of revising the laws of the Society. Mr. BARTHE moved as an amendment the following resolution :—" That this meeting regards the Report of the Examiners as highly satisfactory, establishing the entire safety of the Institution, and the prospect of important future advantages to all who may effect in surances with it, and that the thanks of the Society be given to Mr. Alderman Farebrother, and Messrs. Steward and Lloyd, for their most important ser vices."—( Hear, hear.) Mr. GODSON, M.P., was understood to second the motion. '• After some conversation, the resolution of Mr. Fuller was understood to be withdrawn, that gentleman at the same time intimating his willingness to support the pro position of Mr. atrthe. Mr. F. G. SMITH then spoke at considerable length, and animadverted in strong terms upon the course adopted by the London Committee, at the meeting in London on Friday last. The CHAIRMAN, after some irregular conversation had been gone into, called on the Secretary to read the " Address of the Directors to the Meeting:. Mr. GODS ON rose f or th e purpose of putting the meeting in possession of what it was that they had really met to consider.—( Hear.) It was, that they should consider the Examiners' Report."—( Hear.) Mr. Alderman FAREBROTHER said that the Exami ners had submitted to the Directors certain regulations which they deemed requisite for the proper conducting of the affairs of the Society, which they expected would be adopted. An Assurer wished to know if the Examiners would make a second report? Mr. Alderman _FAREBROTHER—CertainIy not ; but if there was any question which it was desired that the Examiners should be asked, they were perfectly ready to afford all the information in their power. A somewhat warm conversation here arose between the Alderman and Mr. Morgan, in the course of wliich the former raked for the production of the calculations which the latter had made in 1829, but they were not forthcoming, Mr. Morgan stating that they bad been mislaid or lost. Mr. PONTIFEX thought th a t th e exhibition to which the meeting had just been a witness was a strong argu ment to show that there had been mismanagement in the affairs of the Society, and that there ought not to be a continuance of the undivided sway over its concerns in Norwich.—(Hear, and groans.) The Learned Gen tleman then referred to the different charges which he conceived from the information he had received to have been well founded. (These charges were the same as appeared in our report of the Lo ndon meeting in Saw- EVENING EDITION. day's paper.) The Learned Gentleman was frequently interrupted by marks of disapprobation from several parties present. Mr. BIGNOLD also said the Learned Gentleman had been most grossly misinformed, and that he obtained his information from the productions of one of the foulest men in society. Mr. Alderman FAREBROTHER said, that the whole amount of the mortgages which were in the Secretry's name, and on which, by mistake, the declaration had not been engrossed and signed, was 6,200/.—(l - lear.) The CHAIRMAN—Out of a million and a half. Mr. Alderman FA REBROTHER—Yes, that was all. Mr. PONTIFEX said the meeting would now see the result of inquiry. Did they suppose that he would ever have brought the charges he had if he had not known the real state of the case ?—(Hear, hear.) No, he would rather have suffered his right hand to have been cut off.—( Hear, hear.) But he lamented that the Ex aminers had not put the whole of the facts into their re port. He unfeignedly begged to apologise to Mr. Big cold for what he had said about him on the subject. — (Cheers.) But at the same time that he made this apology, he felt it to be no more than justice to himself, as a man of character, of honour, and of respectability, to say that he had been misled.—( Hear, and cries of " Name, name," and " No, no.") The information bad been given to him in secrecy and in conffdence, and, therefore, he did not feel himself to be in a position to give up the name.—( Hear, hear ) Mr. BIGNOLD said, it was well known that there was as much as upwards of 1,000,0001. of money which the office had advanced at different periods on mortgages. Those advar,c e s had been made in sums of from .50/. to 110,000/., the larger securities varying from 110,000/. down to 20,000/., and 15,000/., and on those larger amounts he knew of no instance in which the mort gages had been taken in his own name—(Hear) -- a,ey had all been taken in the names of the trustees.-- ( Hear, hear.) But, in the smaller amounts, the mort gages had been taken in his name, because it had been considered that there were certain advantages which would or might be derived to the office by such variance from the practice which was universally adopted with regard to the larger sums. But his name, in every case where it had been inserted, had been so inserted as the registered officer of the establishment—a fact which was of itself, he apprehended,, a sufficient protection against any improper appropriation on his part.—(Hea r. ) One advantage which necessarily had accrued to the office by the use of his name, had been the sa vin g of a, vast expense, in c onsequence o f it s b e i ng thereby found that there would be no occasion to send abroad or to distant parts, for the purpose of procuring the execu tion of the deed s by th e t rus t ees .—(H ear , har.) So s oon as he had become aware that a pamphlet had issued in Which this practice had been made a ground of charg e against the office, that instant be had applied to the Di rectors and besought them to cause matters with respect to these deeds to be put in a proper position. A form of declaration was then drawn up by the solicitor, whi ch in express terms set forth that the m one y had been ad vanced in his name in trust for the Society, and to that declaration he had affixed his signature.—(Hear.) B ut some short time after it had been contended by pa rt i es that, in case of his death, the security might be preju diced, upon which he had told them to do whatever might be deemed necessary to effect the complete dislo cation of his name from the deeds.—(Hear, hear.) Transfers were then engrossed on the deeds, to which he instantly put his name.—(Hear, hear.) In refer ence to the bonus of 1829, he would beg to direct the attention of the meeting to the fact that the Directors had beers guided in the matter by the statements of the Actuary.—( Hear, hear.) A public meeting society had been called, at which every o f the institution might have attended. At thamterniebeetringf tlthi:ee report of the position of the office, together with its,la bilities, made by the proper officer to the Directors, in been read to the assured. The statement pu t forth in that document had been deemed satisfactory .--4 Mr. Pontifex had stated that the office was in bad o dour-- Let the (Cries of " Hear, hear," " No, no," " Yes, ye s." ) meeting test the fact by the business the office had for some some time been doing. In 1836 the number of lives insured had been 6,640, and in the course of that year 478 had been added, making a total of 7,118. The deaths during that year had been 176, whilst the number of discontinued policies had been 77, and the number pa' Hear.) chased by the offices —(Hear, hear.) In 1837, which he might call the first year of the disturbances—( Hear) —the new lives insured were as many as 494, being 16 more than 1836 ; and in 1838 the number of new poli cies had been no less than 503.—(Hear.) So that the total number of lives insured in the office was then 7,479.—( Hear, hear.) Now he did think that when the statement he had just made had gone forth to the world, it would at once have the effect of removing , even from the mind of Mr. Pontifex himself, any impres sion that the office was in bad odour.—(Hear, hear.) In the Report of the London Committee, which, by the way, it must be observed, bad been repudiated at the meeting held in London on Friday, the office had been accused, amongst other things, of having kept the ac counts in a slovenly and disgraceful manner. Now °o such words, or words that implied such a meaning , w ere Now, tobe when the accountant had on found inthereportofthegExe h h am t in r e o r u s g .-- g ear. ' the ac counts,he habut d differed in iffindvareiroeunsee had no points of d e tail is the classifications, reference e nts of value, for whilst the total, as s h own b y the u the office, was 5,490,0001., the acco untan t bad pro duced a total of 5,540,000/. But against tha t apparent increase of 50,000/. of liability must be pla ced t hei s t crease in the premiums of 2,000/. a year ; {or s 0001. by the office return the premiums amounted to 171, , by the Examiners' report they appeared to be 173,0 _OO e b and that increase of 2,000/. per annum wa s e q uivale t to the 50,0001.—(Hear, hear.) The accountant.ana his clerks had been occupied six months in going lute, aeo to the investigation of the receipts and disbursements ) the office during the long period o f 28 y ears, in of affi cou e r e s , e of nwhhiceh hsaevderhaeleemillnionnasblheadtopasdsiesedn?errouagohy tihne. s t a nce where every shill in g had not been duly entered and accounted for.—( Hear, hear.) He would take that opportunity of saying, that in future , with regard to the mode of carrying out the conduct of the affairs of the Society, he should be perfectly wiping to bend his practice to the suggestions of the Examiners. —( Hear, hear.) It had been made a charge against him that he had had the exclusive influence over the money of the office, and that the money had been placed by him in a joint-stock bank in Norwich, and further more, that he had permitted a balance amounting to 40,0001. to accrue. The short history of the matter was simply this :—On the 27th of February, 183 6, the proprietors of the joint-stock bank had declined bu sinets, and, therefore, the balances due to all the et's' tomers of the house, which had been secured to them by an opulent directory and proprietary, were, down to that day, made up in the books of the concern, and trans ferred on the following Monday to another bank, the East of England Bank, which was under the manage; ment of an increased directory and proprietary', an a backed by an additional proportion of opulence. Mr. STEWARd, one of the Examiners , h ere said the statement just made by Mr. Bignold w as perfectly correct.—(Hear.) Mr. BIG NOLD then went on to defend himself ag ail 9 l _ 9 (. t other charges, and concluded by saying, before he down, he would take the opportunity outd ling._ one of the statements which had been p forth inTthne Tha t report of the so-called London committee. ee on had a dven t, report had stated that the society Brightonne.wfa mortgages the amount of 250,0001, in —(Hear.) He could assert that it was not of that sum.—( Hear, hear.) pursued by the Mr. WALLE R condemned the cond uct London committee. Ll length cot' Mr. OLIVER at some consideraw e the Norwich office, and on the contents of the report. mented on the mismanagement of the authorEttleasultere, aris M en r. a P m A o Y n a bygone in me mory.—(Cheers.) into sei gN amongst them e t : n u S w t eod. would forat t the dfiufft bes e e :We were, Mr. Alderman FARBBROT/lER then went o f nute and extremely satisfactory history of the .i..e proceedings adopted by the Examiners in the taskbatlYo oe t nce t d. j: den e concluded.be had beenlt ha had guided been and assertediofi the invitations he had received from the Directorss.ottur, h w a io d a t r recently nhtal had done round of dinners.—(Hear, hear.) Now, that in 0 4 5 tion was basely false, and he would cry o ut, " Who :.0.) the base slanderer—where was he ?—( Where was the Editor who had dared to breathe slander against his honour?—(Loud cheers.) /11r. BACON here stood up, and was greeted. yul.Leus. storm of groans, which continued for several nenu payp - After some remarks from Sir R. Harvey, Mr• ter, Dr. Evans, Mr. Langslaw (who proposed %rev which was withdrawn), and several other gentleme y as Mr. GODSON, M. P., assailed the proceedings' the Loud chee e well as the views, of the London Committee wi th t e r utmost vigour. He would ask the meeting erheol they had perfect confidence in the three gentlem „ .ri " es o f they had appointed as their Examiners ?--tt-/ k if the " Yes, yes.") That being so, then he would A, na. ) had forfeited that confidence ?—(Cries•of (Cheers.) If so, let every hand be held ( in ß e an/ A of the resolution proposed by Mr. Barthe.-- Then, were they not entitled to their "thankfas:o; Stewa r "' addressen and Mr. Woodruff° having severally even diP The Rev. Mr. Barker, Mr. Rogers, Mr. the meeting, The resolution was put and carried, with] s sentients only. the following resolution : hat the pre That it is the o pinion of this meeting t establishment Mr. ROGERS then m oved, and Mr. FULLYR SCCOndea is • deciu ate to its present extensive concer :"A 1808, lna Directors and that a joint Committee, consistingsst of four , . r r!. sent deed of settlement, framed at its de for Evans, and T. Steward, do prepare a new co d that the future goverment of the Society ; h they four assurers —namely, esraynter, Farebrothe •-• shall agree it shall be formed before Mr. Brodie v., they be requested to lay the principles uron which Tyrrell ; and in case of those gentlemen disagree' .e e L. I " . refer all points in dispute to Mr. Duval, -whose d