The Sun. — London, England, 1821-02-07 00:00:00

en tlie it was jured, more idence r him mon y, of q'tleht ed as dence all the entry, iesty's t few than time Mc in - Irious the 6f-the whole esty's f the nkes) e 3 le re ' a.i'd of a . pil4- raS('T jesty ction tors, tded. , tie nost 3 LI re lain Jvi -pat for- jeS* 'is- on wd .cry ley ant tiS ite d- he to n, / . - (whose authority the Whigs Would surely not disavow) had most strenuously contended in that House that the cr - inions of the people could only he fairly sought, and really found in that Haase; the successors of Mr. Fox, the Whigs "of. the present day, maintained directly' the reverse Of that proposition ; they contended that the opinion of the people could only be found out of doors, and that it was to be sought for from day to day, and from hour to hour. But Mr. Fox not only maintained the opinion which he had just stated, but he was so unwilling that an appeal should be made to the people to know what their opinion was, that he proposed an address to his Majesty, praying him not to dissolve Parliament. It hap pened at that time that the opinion of the people (an opi n i on not excited by artifice, not inflamed bdyeiicblearmaour, not formed in heat, but upon calm deliberation was was adverse .to Mr. Fox ; ap- Peal to them was made, Parliament was dissolved - , Mr. Pitt's power was established, and the Whigs irretrievably defeated. He was quite sure that 'lO Minister could exist in this country who 4 1 not possess the confidence of the House of Commons, and, .in the. title sense of the Word, the confidence of the,people. Gentlemen 13 n the other side might say what they pleased, but the feelings of the House of Commons and of the people always Were, and necessarily must he, in unison. No Ministers who had really lost the confidence of the people could long retain the support of the House of Commons, and this must always be the case as long as the House of Corn ..mons was constituted as it new was. He per : fectly agreed - with .an Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Bankes) that the Houseof Commons, as now constituted, was most efficiently formed to sup -Pc" the interests, to watch over the rights, and to prot ect the lib er ti es o f th e P eo pl e , It was • itie, that, in point of theory, many objections In ight be made to th e const ruc ti o n of the :House (4 Corn. mons : vet, - c o nsid ere d i n it s p rac ti ca l_ ef 'ects, in affording facilities to all classes and de scriPti6ns of .people to be fairly represented, and bt°lllelrof talents to obtain seats in that House, e 'vas convinced that it could not be improved i by-a n7 plan that the wit of man 'could devise.— he felt much pleased with' the answer given by th e nonourable Member for Devizes, who, - in answer to an obserYation that he was returned by abo ut twenty-f our voters, replied that although the number of voters by whom he was returned w as not large, yet, when he once took his seat in that House, he did not consider himself merely as the Representative of that particular place, hut of. the whole kingd om , an d th a t h e was as much bound to watch over the interests, and pro= tact the.rights of the inhabitants of every other Part of the empire,. as over those of his imam-. (hate co nstituents. If he want e d exam pl es t o prove the practical benefits that resulted from the censtruction of the House of Commons, he had ` s ialY to cast his eyes opposite to him, _and_ he Learn ed find them in abundance. An Hon. and ir arn ed Gentleman on the other side of the w ils e, of whose brilliant talents no man could (‘ 4 i tn er tain an higher opinion than he did, afforded a nt e decisive proof of the advantages result tng ". t b at i ern the present system of represents-tion. L an -4°arned Gentleman had offeved 'himself as bat aie for two or three populous places, li : e st rn-1 lo:oe: l tsred himself in vain. In IVestmore wa's comoletely defeated, in Liverpool itay s . to 11° Chance, and the House .would now lint ‘ , T n ent the loss of his talents, if he had on e o,ar4 th e good f or t une t o b e snugly- seated for ~ those -B oroug h s w hi c h some of his friends a 0 io R ept ,' him describ e d as t h e opp r o b r i um - of our man t ese ntatiVe Syste m . Th at L earned Gentle cieot v as, though so returned, as good and effi- Avhi M ember of. Parlia ment , an d as sound, a iti g h g t if he represented Westminster. .4 deserved°'--. to him, high, and. Gentleman opposite, and of matiye hih, in the estimation of the House ut ofcountry for his abilities had been 7 the populous Borough o f S ou th war k , 1 1no:1(1 cl if he h ad . not found refuge in one of th ose ] .wio ti:d -I riot n w abusedoßoroughs, \V the. leader of thehigs ns. An 6 have a sea t i n th e H ouse , o f , C oms ther Hon. and Learned Gentleman, ,7 1 . whose talents and constitutional knowledge he w e 'shed to speak - in the highest terms, was ated for Knaresborough, and yet no man 1., '- 4 : 0 , 1 11d , deny that he was as able, and as he re a Membe r of _Parliament, if r„.e_?resented the- most populous County in e kmgdom. But it Was useless to multiply instances; however defective our system was in hp, ur Y, it was most admirably Calculated in the itttce to bring into that Ho use the talent, the ss:llince, and every oth er requ i s i te that was are h tl al to the character of a goo d M em b er of i thosoainent. li e co u ld not, theref ore , agree w i t h Porto , w ho called so - l oudly for Parliamentary Re e moo especially as he found that n o t wo o f : 4 1.)ssi t a u reed upon th e p l an wh i ch they . would . hit s , o f for our present system. It appeared 4 30 uo s . r a ch wiser, instead of adopting wild and (I ns, t o th eories, and makir , sweeping altera ''l bl °t, to P .h tla it e,qati - gradually, atid when you found 10 th quash tt, and to Mend it. With res p ec t " I 'id not 1 7" iunnediately before the Hous e , it een ssidloue. n ecessary for him after all that had I).a ce hero the time. As to what took I lras enty , re the Queen came to this country, it P °siti on olnecessavy to observe, that if the pro- Served a de to her Majestrat St. Omer's, de liber j ; of those hard epithets Which had been ;Lear ned 7, bestowed upon it, the Hon. and ego]. adviser t-Te n tlman, her Majesty's principal ° i l l it. lie n would net have been the bearer b' a eSti on who wfiould- .not now enter into the t qt .rst suggested that proposition ; oone , en that Learned Gentleman left this Ilis to : r s 3 as the bearer of it, he knew, that Mi tat we re in possession of facts that would con if i l : r e ali.gra.ve caSe against ilia Queen, and that %sia bla iesty came into this country they ti to not avoid .takins- further steps. It was therefore, for that Learned 41 44 rnan to agree with the Hon. Gentle ts Who rsspoke last, that this conduct of Minis_ Aft o that occasion was not only unjust but basa. r 4 icesr.Majesty had arrived in this Country, Noble Friend massed for a Committee Aspit'stinctly stated that he had rave charges .41,•!_ l st the Qu een • s the House tlitti knew that a e rs were in possession of evidence which at least, in their opinion, was sufficient to tippOrt that charge ;i and it approved of the Ministers pausing in their • proceedings, and negociating with.her Majesty. The house afterwards ap proved of the - Motion made by the Honourable Member for Bramber. , It was ,evident, then, that Ministers, so far from being desirous of bring ing forward this investigation, took every means in their 'power to avoid it ; and it was equally clear that the House approved of their conduct in so doing. He did not expect that the Gen tlemen on the other side would approve of the ‘:,•onduct of Ministers, but the Honse.'couldhOt, he thought, withdraw the 'approbation to that con-' duct which it had so distinctly given. 'He would not enter into any observatiOn upon What had I passed in the House of Lords ; he would - merely express his firm belief,that there was hot one man in the kingdom who, before the proceedings in the House of Lords, thought the Ministers honest men, that did not, after those proceedings 'were oc'er, think that what pasSed in that douse atlorded an ample justification of Ministers for the step they had taken. Upon the question of the Litur gy, it was equally unnecessary for him to dilate. It was quite impossible for Ministers to give his Majesty 'any other advice than that which they had given ; it was not considered—it was not recommended as a punishment upon her Majesty. The Ministers conceived that this was a point completely within ,the prerogative of the Crown ; and under all the circumstances of the case, they dill not feel it to be their duty to advise the King to confer upon her _Majesty that mark of special grace- and favour. When the subject of the •Liturgy was first discussed in that nouse, a Right lion. Gentleman opposite, to him reprobated it in strong! language as de grading to the Queen, but the Learned Gentle man (the Queen's Attorney General) denied that position. He did not consider it as being of any moment whether the - Queen was prayed for by name. in the Liturgy or 'not ; in a word, he con sidered it as a' trifle light as air,' compared 'with what he called her just :rights. What happened afterwards when a negociation took place between the Noble Lord near him, and a Noble Relation of his, and the two Learned Gents. on the other side (the Queen's legal advisers) ? Upon that occa sion the Learned Gent. seemed in doubt wh e th er the omission was legal or not, but he consid ered it as admitting of am equivalent. - NnW, if it we're an illegal act, it could not admit of an equivalent. In that case it would have' been the duty of the Learned Geirtlemen to have broken off the treaty at once. But after all that, the Learned Gentleman's. Opi.)ion unJerwent another change, for in the debate . A few night's ago he came round to the opinion of the Learned Mem her for Oxford,. and pronounced the omission of her Majesty's name froth 'the Liturgy-to be most; decidedly-an illegal act. And when afterwards! the Learned Gentleman was _charged with some inconsistency' upon this subject, what wa%his: answer ? 44 Why," he said; " that he considered it as sound philosOphy, that when a man received an injury f7oni a person in authority, and could not get redress, he might disguise his sense of that injury, and Undervalue its extent." If this was true, said the "Learned Gentleman, between two individuals,:hoW Much more was it so when one of them` was an advocate, the advocate of a. woman, and that woman a Queen ?' Such was the Learned Gentleman's lahguage as an advocate and as a sound,philoSopher, and - when Ministers heard it theywere silly enough to think they had a great authority in their favour;' but When the Learned' Gentleman came to . speak as a Member of Par-: liament he completely undeceived theM. For, upon the motion of the Noble Lord a fear nights ago, the Learned Gentleman,' in speaking upon it, de .dared he considered the oMisSion'of her Majesty's name in the'Liturgy aSdeeidedly illegal, and re probated it in the strongest manner, and yet he voted! for the resolution that the omission" was in expedient and ill advised, So that he had contrived to display himself in bOth his Characters on one night, for he had spoken like a Member of Par liament, and voted like an advocate, and a sound philosopher.—(Load' clrei;rs.)—lt had . been re- . . _ ......... ... peatedly said on' this and former nights, that the whole country was against Ministers upon this qnestion, yet it was worthy of remark, that after this most illegal act, as it was called, of omitting the Queen's name in the Liturgy had been com mitted, the Parliamek was dissolved and a general election took place. •But then when the people were 'left to their own judgment,---when their minds were not misled or their passions in- flamed, not one word was said upon this subject, —not one of the Gentlemen opposite to him con, sidered it .as a topic which he could urge with success. Upon the assertion that the Ministers had lost the confidence of the country he wished to saga few words. They were opposed by the 'Whigs, a party of great wealth, talent, and re spectability, honourably united together i❑ order that they might get into office, and thereby serve the country triost effectually :—they were opposed by another party inimical to all the existing establishments in Church and State, these were called the Radicals, and he was willing to admit that they were as different from the Whigs in character, and in their objects," as light from darkness." _These two parties, how ever, so essentially different in every thing else, agreed in one point. The Whigs had 'found out that they could do nothing whatever that was good, and the - Radicals had diScovered that they could do nothing that was bad while the present Ministers remained in office, and therefore these two discordant parties heartily joined together to turn them out. This junction, had gi - Vdn them the appearance of strength, but still that strength was only formed by the union' of those who always opposed Ministers. The opponents of Miuisters at all the public meetings were composed of 'Whigs and Radicals. - Witness the meefinc's at Liverpool, at Bedford, in Hamp shire, in London, &c. but that the public opinion was not so hostile to Ministers as Gentlemen as- sorted appeared from the number of loyal ad dresses that 'were pouring in from every part of the country, addresses which had not been pro cured by any efforts of Ministers, but were the Spontaneous expressions of the persons' whose names ware subscribed. Neither he nor any of his colleapes would wish to remain in office one hoar after They had lost, the boniidetice of the people ; but Ministers were not to be convinced by tire 'assertions of the Gentlerrien on the other side of the House, that they had lost that confidence, - nor would-they be induced by clamour or by taunts to desert their duty to their Sovereign and their country.----(Loud and continued cheers.)—lt was common at the be ginning of every Session to hear that Ministers were =about to resign ; lists of their successor's were handed about, and it was said that they could not remain a week in office. This re minded him of what used to be the case in the Peninsula ; the intercepted correspondence of Joseph . Buonaparte was full of observations upon the blunders of the English General,, mu tof pro phecies that the allied army was about to be destroyed ; but it always happened that this blundering General, as soon as he got 'sight of the enemy's army, annihilated it,—so it was with respect to the rumours to' which he -alluded; if they were:to' be believed, the Ministers could not exist a' week, but . when the battle took Wrace the truth appeared, the Whigs were defeated, and the Ministers confirmed in their places, There was - only' one other point on which he wished to say a few words. ADnisters were accused of per secuting the- Queen, and the strongest epithets were lavished upon them, but how would` the Whigs have acted if they had been, in poWer, and had been in possession of evidence which they believed affected the Queen ? They would not have negotiated, they would have proceeded at once, and if th e opi n i on o f o n e o f th e Whi g Leaders had been taken they would have pro ceeded 'against her for High TreaSon. Another charge against them was, that by proroguing- Parliament they had prevented the Queen for two months from obtaining any redress ;' but what was the proposal in thexelebrated letter of Lord John Rusell.?. Why, after the Report of the House of Lords had been made, after the Bill of Pains .and Penalties had been brought in, he proposed in August last that Parliament should he prorogued, which would have placed the Queen in that very same situation for six months. Mr.,Pole then lfplied to the animadversions of Sir James Mackintosh upon. Mr. Banked, and paid a very high tribute to the public conduct of the- latter Gentleman.—(This speech was fol lowed by-loud and continued cheering.) Sir F. BURDETT disclaimed any intention of following the Right Hon. Gentleman who had last spoke through all the rhapsodies he had in dulged in. They had no reference to the ques tion before the House,. Whether the 'Whigs had or had not acted inconsistently on this or on that 'questioa were matters of perfect indifference to the House, and the Country, compared with tire present question. But he was not a little surprised to hear at this day any set of men, either iii or out of the House, declare a. belief that - the House did in its present form, represent, conliilaely,accurately,and properly, the feelingg 01 the'people. Constituted asit at present was be confessed that he thought the only mode of doiog any good in that House was the means of union to attack the phalanx. The Right Honourable Gentleman had talked a great deal about the public opinion being with . the Administration of the day. kriut he in the same breath asserted that the Administration was-opposed by the Whigs, being a body of great 'talent, wealth, and character in the Country, and the Radicals, which he said were the great bulk of the people, he (Sir F. Burdett) was at a loss to know where the Right Hon. Gentleman found the majority of public opinion in his favour.With respect to the question before the House, divest= ing . the.matter of all its legal technicalities,. and looking a t th e pl a i n f a ct s with the aid of common sense, he thought it was impossible to say, that 'Ministth had on this occasion acted with the en tire concurrence of the nation. Lookingat any part of the proceedings, whether at the begin ning the middle or the end, he thought them equally deplorahle.and bad. Ministers- had fre quently,..said, that they. had always been most anxious and willing to maintain. the tranquillity of the Country - . There were three ways of ac complishing this ; —one, it appeared, by inducing her Majesty to remain abroad. If they desired that she should stay abroad, they should not have made it impossible for her to remain there, They should not have caused her to be insulted where ever she Went. Instead of doing this, Ministers had made her return impossible to be avoided.— The Right Hon. Gentl e m an said Ministers re ceived inforMation which made it indispensible to bring charges against th Queen, and they went .on to 'declare that the only mode of pro ceeding was by Bill of Pains and Penalties. — They could not seek the life of the Queen, but they merely wished to prove her conduct was such as to render her unworthy of the Throne. Why did they not apply, if that was their ob ject, to the Ecchisiastical Court, without all the disgusting discussion which had been brought on. A proceeding in that Court would have received the sanction of public opinion ; but the Ministers had acted directly the reverse of what would have been prOper. It was impossible for any Administration to commit a grosser- 'offence against:the King and the Public. They had produced charges supported, only by testi mony upon which no man would hang a dog. A. Right Honourable Member had stat ed last night that the Bill of Pains and Penalties was. the only constitutional mode of proceeding Ministers could adopt.. He thought it was cal culated, more , than any other, to excite odium against the Queen ; but the Right lion. Gentle= man had spoken as if he believed the Queen still in the situation of a persbn guilty of the charges. —(Hear!)--If she really was considered guilty by the Gentlemen on the other side of the House what became of the appropriate and excellent measure? Why was it abandoned? If they con sidered the Queen guilty, why give her any al lowance, or consider her at all worthy the' hrone of England ? lie wished to know what justice, there was in this course of proceeding. They had made foul charges, and supported theM by evidence worse than any he could describe. The Right Hon. Gentleman had spoken of the Queen's Morals in a manner which did not indicate the, true feelings 'of a man. It*was baSe—ungener ous—(Herethe lion. Baronet was - called to order.) ; t The) SPi:AICER the (Tank used by the Hon. Baronet was di:an-dm-Iy. Sir F. Bulimia - at expresse4 himself obliged to the Speaker for checking, any deakttion froir order ; but he could no: avoid saying, the circu lation of groundless charges agaiiart an unhappy Lady, in the Queen's sittia:ion, was calculated to excite: the stron4est conipassion, It was n o t a pro Bono publico proceeding, and when the At- Conley. ;.(general- commenced the prosecution, that Gentleman shoold have felt a disposition to extenuate rather than aggravate the - casea-a The Honourable and Learned' Gentleman, by proving, one fact only, might have spared all the rest, and kept back from the view of the country all the nauseena description. One Net proved, in a paoceeding pro bond public°, would•have been enough to satisfy- the people. As the case had been got up, it was impos sible to avoid exciting prejudice, and here he could not well forbear saying the conduct of the Attorney a General was inconsistent. The other day the Attorney-General objected In the Court of King's Bench to admit an examination of facts. The Ron. Baronet was desirous 'of proving facts by a number of affidavits, as a qualification of a paper he had written. The Attorney-General thought the affidavits of facts were unnecessary to his defence. It was objected, and the Court supported the objection, that affidavits containing •eliargea against individuals `could not be received, because they would bringaneicto trial unfairly.— They would bring. charges in :a: Civil Court against persons who ought to be tiled in a Crimi nal Court, not upon affidavits, but evidence given before a jury. The Hon. Baronet could never approve of the doctrhe as apadied to Iris case, because a .body of dragoons could not be regu larly brought to trial. The view taken by the Attorney;General, who made the Objection, ought to lead him also to object to the conduct of Ministers,_ who had .preft.ltied charges against the Queen not in a regular manner. it was not possible for the Honourable and Learned Gentlemairto maintain - one doctrine in the morn ing in the Court of King's_ Bench, and another in the: House of Commons at night. The wit nesses against the Qiteen were all worthy . of credit, their oaths were-to be taken, they were Roman Catholics too ; yet in discussing the Catholic question, it Was held that the oaths of Such men as Lord Fingal could not be :taken. They were put out of the pale of the constitution because their oaths could riot be taken. Fortu nately the public saw the fallacy; they Would not give credit to the worst witnesses ever collected. It was great good fortnne for theßuyal Family that 'the "charges were not believed, supported as as they were by such evidence. It proved that the loyalty and attachment of the people to the Ilonae of 13runsWick could not be shaken by in. styli-meats 56 despicable. Thellon: Baronet then censured all the measures pursued With respect to the Q'ieen, and concluded by declaring that - Ministers had not exercised . that wisdom and sound discretion in the use they had made of the prerog,ative of the' Crow n.---111r.TEEL explained'. The ATToitNEY-G IN ER AL said, it - was not his intention 16'hare troubled the. House during this debate; but he was sure the HoUse would feel afterathe observations - made 'personally by the lion. BarOnet, that he waS.cempelled to answer them. The Hon,'Baronet conimeneed his speech by snaking two complaints against the speech of his !too. Friend near him (Mr. Peel). First he said his lion. Friend had departedomalecoturn, but the Attorney-General appealed to the house whether the Hon. Batenet had not, much More violated/decortun ?—(llear, hoar ! from the 111i nisterial side of the House:—.N.6, no! from the Opposition.)—The observation's the lion. Baronet 'applied 'to himself had led•hian beyond the bounds of decorum. The Hon. Baronet had chosen on that occasion to go from the question before the House. The Hon. Baat.'s obseiNations applied to, a speech which he (the Attorney-General) made two d-tys ago in a cause in Width the lion; Ba = toilet was a party. What had that ilintsta todo with transactions passing in the King's Bench? It was painful to state' What'passed there, but it was necessary to advert to the decision of the Court, with which the Hon. Baronet"s Counsel was satisfied ;- but it seemed the lion. Baronet was not satisfied, and he came to speak in Par liament agaidst it. His observations in Court had .been-described as _being at variance with his argument'in that Muse upOn the question re specting the Queen. The House would no doubt indulge him with a few remarks, in order that all might not rest on the ipse dixit of theiidnour able Baronet. What was the coarse the lion. Baronet wished •to pursue ?: He, had a bundle of affidavits in Court, which referred to personS not before the - Court. The charge against the _Honourable Baronet was publishing - a paper which the Jury considered a libel. The Ho= noontide Baronet professed to have read it in a newspaper, and he prOdueed affidavits to prove his 'statement was true. 'The Court could not try on affidavits persoas accused olmurder, cutting, and maiming. The Court, upon due considera tion, would not receive the affidavits; then the Hon. Baronet stated that his conduct was not right. with respect to the proceedings against the Qata n. Certain papers we're sent to him by the 'House of Lords, which he Was obliged to open as a case. lie did so, and nothing had, occurred to convince him he • had 'thine wrong. ne garded not whether the lion. Baronet gave 'him credit for correctness of conduct; all who knew hint would do him justice. He did' not ' wish to,. excite imprOper prejudices against any pecsOn, but he thought it his duty to open the case Upon the evidence laid before him. lie narrated the facts without distending or inflating the charges. Was it his fault that the facts were of attliSost ing nature ?—it was the fault Of the evidenee. He did no more than his duty, and the Him. Baronet•did him injustice and wrong when 'he, st a ted that he ought not - to haye made the state ment. Many of the facts wete'disclosed in 'the strongest manner, and not opened so strong. Many facts were provedby the evidence—(Hear, hear !)—which went beyond the opening speech. The. Hon.' Baronet SuppOsed it was th e d u t y 'of the Attorney,Gene ra l to Consult with-the wit a ' neSses, but that view was most erroneous. It was Ilia duty. not to have the slightest cotriinunl cation with the with . c- Sses. It was Objectectihat the alleged term of the . Queen's misconductwas stated to be longer than - the evidence - warranted. Who: wouN not have thought that the circum stance of Bergami remaining with the Queen entil she quitted St. Onset's, warranted the concliisions he drew ? Nothing the Hon. Baronet had . said would make him depart from the sound path of duty. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman thanked the House for the indulgence afforded him. Ile had p e h on a subject with which the HOuse had nothing to do. What he had said, he con sidered necessary for the justification of his own conduct.—Sir F. BURDETT explained. Mr. Ticaxcy said he had given way SO long that other Gentlemen might have an opportunity of speaking, that •he was apprehensive, if - he waited longer, he should uet be able to address the House himself. This •was a motion, accord ing- to the statement of -the Hon. Members on the other side of the House, Ns , i h no . other object than to turn out his Majesty's Ministers. lie did not vote for the motion on that view. .lt - Was eight months since they received a Mes sage from his. Majesty, on the arrival of the Queen in England, and since that Message much had been done. If the House really considered the proceedings against hex Me jestr unimportant, he for one would abstain - frora:saying orte word ; but if, on the contrary, they considered it a case calling on eve - 4 Mem ber for his opinion, he should hold himself bound to deliver his sentiments. When the charges were first prepared, he . concluded that the Queen's name had been removed -from the Li turgy upon the evidence of some offence corn miaed by her Majesty. He had subsequently formed an opinion, and he would explain what it Was : let the event of the motion be what it might, the House was to consider why the terms were offered ' to the Queen at St . . Omer's.—Mr. Tierney adverted to all the proceedings al.;ainst the'Queen .previous to the Milan Commission be ing sent out. That body was sent to collect evi denceagainst her Majesty=---a.step he considered most dangerous to the tranquillity of the coun try. If the Milan Commission were sent out by his 'Majesty's Ministers to collect infoxmation againSfrthe Queen, and no . , notice was given her, 'it was unquestionably a proceeding ivhich could tint be sufficiently, censured. It was not unreasonable to suppose' the Queen had no intention' to return to this CountrY 'befoie she found spies placed around her person, and measures taken to degrade her. A .proposition was made to her Majesty which she could not accede to. She was to. give up her rights. The Queen of England was -re quired by the noble Lord and his Colleagues to renounce her country. He,then described thia course pursued by Ministers and the. House from the period when the motio n was made by the Member for - Bramber, up to the discussion the Bill,of Pains and Penalties. Ile commented on 'the conduct of a flight : Hon. Gent. who, w ith Some few -exceptions, approved of the whole of the conduct of_Ministers. He (Mr. Tierney) : from' the course of their proceedings, had plainly se e n that . their*feeling was, this : "The Queen has re sisted us," and shall therefore be degraded." It now that the Attorney-General had opened several of the cases against the Queen merely beCause they were set down in his brief.. For this he did -not blame the Learned Gentleman, who had only done his duty as Counsel,. but he blamed those who had put such a brief into his hands. lie complained that such a body of evi;• donee as had be - en seen in the other House should ever have been produced against the Queen of England ; be complained that such a set of vaga bonds as they had seen should be produced on the part of the prosecution, without a- single question being put to any respectable person. The President of the Board of Controul had arghed that the second reading of the Bill having been carried, her Majesty had been voted guilty;, this he could not admit. H e , however, doubted whether Ministers had a right to abandon the proceedings as they. did ; he doubted whether they had a right to subject the Queen to. all the inconveniencies of a trial, and then - deny her the full advantages of, .an An lion. Gentleman 'near him had opposed this proposition from the beginning, because, 'if car ried, it would produce a chan g e of Alinisters.--- . lie was alarm e d, :no t so much by the apprehen, sion that Ministers might be turned out, as 41141 others would be turned in, and then lie feared that Catholic Emancipation, Parliamentary-. R eform, and the repeal of the Bills past in the. last SeSsion of Parliament, would fellow. Ile (WT.), though he always inculcated. the doctrine that it was laudable for younger men to wish for office, had' for himself personally. at' his time of life,no wish that-way. He would not come in without a change of system. He wished for Catholic Eman cipation, and his, opinion of the Bills passed last year remained unchanged. To Parliamentary At, form he had been friendly all. his lif e . lle had changed hi s opinions as hegrew older as to the way . in-which it ought to be effected, but to the principle to which he had ever .been firmly established. Ile Wished for such alteform as would give the pet).- ple a chance of being better represented in the Reuse of Commons. This was the sort of lie_ form to which he was attached. These were his prinCiPles„.and if he were taken at all into the service of the country, with thesemusthe be taken. He denied, as Mr. Pitt had formerly done, that that. House as at present constituted,. spoke the sense of the people.* It was not there fore to, be assumed, that because Ministers had a - majority there, it followed of course that they posSessed the confidence of the people. Men would not be trampled upon because they were told-- " 0 you must ,support this :Government, because it gave us peace, and the Chancellor of the Ex- - chequer, that great financier, called forth all our resources.;" to _which it might be answered " Yes," and he ,spent them all into the bargain —(A laugh.)—The people were apt so dull but they must perceive that there was something wrong in the administration of their affairs. The - party .of the Noble Lord hail now been in power • (with very little exceptidn) five or. six and thirty - years; and nozeald any man tell him that there was nothing bad in the system which had brought the country to its pr esen t s i tua ti on ? The ques . , tion now before them was of no common. impOrt- • •