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IMPERIAL Ig)411b-14MgNT? I,IOUSE Of PEERS. TUESDAY, JUNE 2.1'4. NRSVANIT to a former Order of the Hoqse, Counsel were called to the Bar, relative to the claim' of Sir C4clt, Btsstiorr, 3aronet, to the Barony of Zotica. But, 'at , we could colleCt, on account of some informality in part of the introduaory m eet:dings, the further consideration of the Case was post pried. The various Bills before the House were for. warded in their respedive stages. Among these were the Irish Qiehe House Bill, the Irish Ship Prof talon Bill, the Corn, and Irish Militia Trans fer Bill ? ' which severally went through Committees of the whole House. The Bill for making a certain Provision for the Widows of the Writers to the Signet in Scotland was read third time and passed. Some private business was tht.ri disposed of, and their Lotthhips adjourned till to-Morrow. • ROUSE QF COMNONS'st Tursoivv, JUNE -.23. A McssAct 'from the toids informed the HOW, their Lordships had agreed to the 13i1i far the Ae. Biel' 01. the, Widows of Writtrs to the Signet in seotiantl, and to Several . other Bills, without any amendment. Sir c.:Eoftuz CoitNEwm.4, brought 1,1) a Petition &oat the GYOMYS of Flops in 'Herefordshire, com plaining of some, inconveniences tinder which they and prying relief.--Grdered to be laid on the T,:ble. The Scotch Asscksed Taxes Bill was read a--se cond tiara, and ordeted to be committed to a Com mittee of the whole House to.morrow: The Report of the Assessed Taxes • regulating 33111 , w . as ordered robe taken into further cpnsidera. Lion to.morrow, ...the Order of the Day for taking into further consideration the Real Property Bill was defcried to Uriday. Lit?. Report of the Scotch Militia Families Bill ta:4ll into further consideration. Some amend , I , roposed by Sir j s St :•:.•C LAIR ERSKINE cti rft i,gieed to, and after a few words from General kfi..-KINNAIRD, and Sir J.S. ERSKINE, Bill was ordered to be engrossed and read a • 4!;irti that on Thursday,, if then engrossed.' Lord Ot,t r;nettvl E moved the Order of the Day ost the Southern Whale Fishery 13ill. Mr. LEE took this occasion of calling the a t_ tefitiop of the Holm to, the nature of this trade, as it regarded Ireland as well as this Country, and expressed it desire to see that part of the United Kingdom: participate of its adVatitages, and pro. thtced,a clause to that effeft by way: of amendment u the, present Bill. , Lcrd GI.ENEERVIE paid the Hon. Member snme hanthome compliments on his zeal for Iceland, and.professed hiniself to feel warmly for -that part of the Chilted Empire, .hut thought that.'such mea. sures as' this should be male the titibjed of a seri. ;ate kill, when it would, he had no doubt, receive tite'attention %%1;101 SUCK au important' aubjeft t::-rited,, but, in the present case, lie apprehended it to be irrupt tr. ilavit% given a • succinct history a the" 111,', he c , ..,ncluded with observing, ,that v.llatcver Parliament might do hereafter, he thought the clause 110 W ,pitipOSed COOL' 11Qt consistently . W,,tit ILO of the Bill, and the principle on v . hi,ch i t w as . founded, namely, being an encourage. .:5 to the was. :Fishery fti the South Seas, be s:Hvzd. MI. W. Dorroas observed that this was not a ~,,: 3s ore for pi g iand, but had continued for ut ,,tly,yec.rt, but k' r vbether a similar measure shOuld „opt r a for Ireland, required conitidelation. • cI.ii`COYNE said a few tvords tending % 0 4' k tt.3 S, a wish to see England and Ireland upon an etin::,l flotir,g with regaccl to Imports...and fix. ports, Bounties, &c. but at piestnt he did not un. derst:tilti there was a single ship from Ireland engag. cd in.tLat Toftle, neither, slid he understand it to be . i n contemplatiril •to employ ally ; he trusted ,therefore that , the matter •would not' be, aoy further pressed, Alter a fetv words in elqlanation from Mr. Lie, and I (I.Rigaistrtri a, the bathe was. rrjeded, the i ill was ordered' to lie engroSsed. 1 . 4.' CI.I2IIrbELLOI? o a f th; Enii.P.QUER 3.6 4,, that he save notice yesterday, it was his in. teittion In move that the Order made by the House, yesterday for laying before the Honsea ,resented be Co lion. Member' of the Hone now tn.l;,is pl4e the lion. Capt. Co cat a.AN a ) and ▪ oilier Papers to the Lords Corn utsimnets of the Ad. oltraffy, jartiwy 1,797, on the subjed of Appeali in Ilrize Causes, ,Vc. he . disclorgod. It was - with regret-, and he might say surprise, that .he heard of such at Motion .being made. In the Ordinary •course ;of prat ice s it was to have been expe6ei . thit no i Motion of mportance`would have been made with.. not tio.ice, in order that the parties most immedi_ ately concerned might prrpare for its discussion ; and tin referring to site Order Book he found that sir, notice i.l,beerygiVen hh this cast. It was true that tit,: lion. Gentleman had, with great personal ' civ lity, previously communicated the ,intention to k kt t h .e House was not. apprized of it. 'fhe lion. Alernher had inferred from his ailenee that he had no objection to the Motion, and so he had made it, and as it was not opposed, the Motion was put acid prrita ; but. the truth was, that he had an ob. jection to the INlotioti, and had he been in the f-Luse, it should nor have passed without opposi. Lion'. The, objeaion be,had to it was, that ,no par., liamentary ground was laid before the House for .t j: rlieprodw.tiop'of these documents. He did not t enderstand that any such . ground was laid tin the Motion, and as the effeet of complying with • i t , would be to cast art imputation, on the conduel of of ikdtpiralty l and on chic conduft of 'the Exccutive Government at . That time, for all .the Government was in some measure included in the c. „ mp i t iirirs of that. Memorial ; and that being dune wits our.any foundation or,Parliatnentary ground for inquiry, and three wear Law- (Mims of the Crown lac;i,tg complained of ill the Memoriali namely, the cr 2- 3 Attorney-Crixeral, the King),s.-Advocate, and the Kinea readtv:he thought it would be improper for the House to order to be laid before it any do , ument of this nature ; he said this because he was most credibliinformed, that all this coin.. plaint against these Learned ant) Honourable OE. cers, was wholly without foundation, and ;he proof that, the charges were .well founded ought co have been adduced by the Hon. Member who made the Motion. Besides the in (11) the lYlemtker's of aovernment, at the time of presenting the Vlemo. rial, there was another cast on those 'who at present composed the EstecotiveGovernment ; and it would appear by this Memorial as if they bad neglected to take proper steps on that occasibo to redress the Grievances which were stated in the Wlensorial, a spec t cies of censure to which none of His Majesty's Mini., • ster4 could smilosoir, because they were not conscious of deserving it. If the Hon. Gentleman had stated that he mew to institute r an 'lnquiry afterwards into the ,ecinmiud of those Ministers of povernment of. whom he complained,- and had laid before the House ground of suspicion, that they had miscon. dueled themselves ; then it would have been regular for him to have made this motion, and indeed it would have . been his duty to move for documents to dwidate the subjetl. But: he had laid no Per liatiantary ground for the production of, such'Llocus mews,; it was unfit that they should be laid before the Housei under an allegation of miscondua t ,Where there was not any such. If suspicion hat been en tertained, it was necessary that the faa should he disclosed a nd he w a s happy to add, that if there was any thing irregular in any part of the case stated in the Memorial, it had been long since corrected by his Right lion. Friend, and that at this moment there was not the shadow of ground for complaint in these particulars against the' Weird' of . Admiralty. Vor these reasons he thought he owed it to the Hon. Persons alluded to in the Me. morial of the.ndo. Gentleman,..as well as to flis Majesty's Governpent at large, to move that first the Order for laying this Memorial and Papers be. fore the House 'be read, and then to move that the said Order . be discharged. The Order, ,That a Copy of the Memorial, with acctimpartying Papers, presented to the Lords Corns missieners: of the Admiralty by the Hon. Captain Cochrane, in January rag' s be Plaid befOre.' the House, being read, TheCshsiss:ELLott of the Excltzotte; moved, that-the said Order be dischatged. Captain CUCHR,i/VE proceeded -so state the ,reasons on which he moved-for the plocludion of these documents. He said," that he had a great many Prize Causes to be heard in the Court of Ad , mirelty, and he was dissatisfied with the manner in whichethey bad been ;concluded, He complained that in all cases of Prize: Ceases the King's Prodor must be employed by all the Officers• of the King's Navy.' He thought it was but just that each Of. ficer who had e Prize Cause should be allowed to chose - his own Prodor.- He Saiti, that in many in. 'stances the partner of Mr.Heseltioe,• the King's Prodor, was often concerned for the -party that was 'atltieree to the Kitsg's Officer for whom the King'S Prodor wad concerna He complained that these practices were highly dangermis to his - interests, and .to the general intetests of the Officers of His,Majesty's Navy concerned in Price Causes. lie complained of his interest brine, ne gleEted, and of the Prodor's Bilt being enottn ms, lie proceeded to state all the proceedings he had at the Shakespeare AO other Taverns, where a Meets ing was 'convened by him of great rioniber of the .Officers of His istijestrs Navy concerned in Prize Causes—which ended to a. Memorial; the Memo, Hai in question : and he observed, that atter it was drawn, the Officers most unaccountably deserted him, and left him to present his Memorial alone. He knew not how it was, but men who wonhl Fee the foe with pleasure, mulct not face' the Lords of 'this Admiraliy. However he did piesent the 'Me. morial, and it was his oiijea to have it laid before the H6use. He then proceeded to read the Me morial. The CHAsiesiioa of the Excasquatt spoke to Order, and contended that the Koh. Member was irregular in reading to the House the very Docurneor upon which it was a question whether the House ,would hear it or not. Mr. 11011.41ZD thought the lion. Member, ought to be heard oor, and to_ be allowed to.read the whole Memorial as part of his speech. Upon which a short-conversation ensued, which was sup. ported by Mr, po smoa:s 'arid the CHANC L of the EXCHEOEit on one side,, and Mi. KIN. NA ER LI anti Capt. COCII RANr on the other, which ended in thestittkar. , deciding that the lion. MeMber was riot regular in:reading that on which there was a 'question whether it should be laid.bes fore the House ,or'not. cap, COCIIRANg then proceeded to atato some of the heads of .the chargesin the Memorial, for the purpose of enforcing his argument upon the e ropiiet S i•of the louse entering opoo an inquiry into this matter.. Mr. 70.1INSTQNg thought that the . l . ion. Mem. leer had brought forth Charges which ought to be inquired into, and that whether they were' Well or ill founded, they made a sparliamentary ground fOr the produCiion of the ;documents in question, Dr‘ LAIrRENCE -allowed the Motives of the galfine Officer to, be pure, but maintained thatsthe soject of his complaint' was founded on an entire Want of knowledge of the nature of. the - legal pro.- ceesiings in which he bad been engaged ; t he s e charges were _brought forward in cite absence of knowledge of lhe true interest Of the gallant Officer himself; this he undertook to aver from his own immediate and personal knowledge. He d e f e nd e d all the Officers of Dodors' CoIIIETICIS, who b a d b een alluded to by the Gallant Officer, • and assured the. House they had always concluded themselves in a way that did them honour. He then wept over all the:charges broUght forward-by time Gallant Officer, and said they were entirely without foundation, for that he knew peofessionally all the circumstances of the case of the Gallant Officer. He a`iletigeti th at t h e charges in the Bill wire more moderate tha n the saute bussiness would have been charged or z u ys ,„, te6o ; ;Md. es to every Officer heieg to isoylds own Praetor., in Prizes Causes, it most he observed, that auch.proceeding Would interfere with. the Presogative of the Crowns...-a prerogative H of: greet vel4 . to Hit Mejesty's.aubjeos, siits:e the ma_ nagement of matters of prixes were often intimately connefled with the afEtirs of Foreign Nations, and the question of Peaceor War. Sir W. SCOTT spoke on the same side, with great elhonc.e and perspicuity ;—he defended the Gentlemen of the Commons most ably, anti as sured the House that the. causes of the Gallant ofTwer, were all of them conduaed as well as it was possible ? by-Mr. Heseltine the Kings Proc. tor, notwithstanding a gentleman in partnership with. him, had sometimes been concerned on the other side ; however, that was a make which was unseemly, and therefore lie had caused it Lobe discoo. • tinued. 7 —With regard to the costs, he believed them to be as moderate as could have been expefted, but if e they had been otherwise, they might have been taxed as in °O'er Courts : many of the causes of the Gallant Meer had. been conduiledAtuder , the direc, lion of Doctor Wyt.tt,rv, whose integrity was be yond question, and whose opinion was Law itself to every prudent Client. The learned Civilian thought that, the Public have a very valuable pro perty in the charadets of men of this high rank in their profeasion, and therefore it was proper they should receive praise when any attempt was made to censure them. He thought the Gallant Officer misguided in this case, and he reminded him of a maxim Ity which it was said, that when - a man be comes his own Lawyer, he has not always the most prudent Client. Sir ST4PIIEN LuninvoTaN being very in firm, was indulged ,tO speak sitting. He gave an ample account of his Partnership with Mr. Hesel.: tine, and justified the Condud—of the House in every particular which came ~ to ,his knowledge, not pretending to be personally acquainted with. every minute particular, becau3e his - concerns as Chairman at the India House, and Diredor of the East India Company's affair s , having taken up a great portion of his time, but he knew that the Condud of the King's Prodor in Prize Causes, was under the guidance of the King's Advocate.—He assured the... House, upon his Honour, .he believed every part of the business alluded to, was transacted with perfcet fidelity and honour. Captain CoCHßANE'explailled. Mr. HURST said, there certainly was a time, as appeared from the statement which• had been made, when there was a goo 4 cause of complaint, but that ground had been done away, therefore he should oppose the Papers being laid upon the Colonel BASTARD said, if the Hon. Member who had brought forward this question could substantiate, the faCts which he had stated, as' he hid no doubt he could, he thought there' would he good. ground for an Address to I,lis M.►jesty to remove the King's Proaur, f►r he never heard a More gross rase than for two partners to be employed on different sides of the same cause. There was a general diss►►tisfattion in the Navy upon this subject, and some time ago several Officers in the Navy brought him a Me. morial to present to the House upon the subk:a ; he, however, did not think they were likely to obtain redre,s, and dissuaded therairom the mea. sure. The ADVOCATE GENERAL replied at some length to the Hon. Gentleman who bad brought for. ward the subjeCt, and went into a detail respeCting some of the Prize Causes, to shew that there was no grotind for the complaint which had been made. He admitted that two partners being employed on different sides of the same Cause was an unseemly thing, but added, 'that there was no ground for any complaint upon that subjett. - Capt. HERVEY said, the Navy were fully sen. Bible of the' kindness and benevolence of His Ma. jearY to them in regard to prize,money, -but when a good thing was given to a profession, it was natural for them to be anxious to get it in as cheap and expeditious a manner as possible he therefore contended that it Was but fair that Naval Officers should be allowed to defend their own interests by their own froCtors. He thought these papers ought to be produced, and to be raterred to the Commis. sioners for Nval Inquiry now sitting. The CHANCELLOR of 'ihe EXCHEQUER` _ replied, that these Commissioners had no cognizance o"er Prize Causes, but only over Prize Agents. Mi.. WILBERFORCE said, that upon a grave and serious subjeet like the present, he thought there was gr o und laid for producing the Papers, thOugh. he 'did not concur , with the Hon. Member who brought forward the subjeft - upon . all the points. ' 11lr, HUTCHINSON said, he thought, that the 'Captors ought certAnly to be allowed - to employ their own Agents.tdalefend their own intere:lts. Afrer a few words from Mr. ALOtXANDER and . Sir W. GVARV, the Motion of the Cstarrett.Lort of the Excittiatr ER, for ,discharging the Order, was agreed to. The CHAN CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER move , ' the Order of the Day, for takitg into con. tisieration the Lords' Amendments to the Clergy • Residence Bill. The Amendments. being read, and it appearing that theie were Antendments of a pe., cuniary nature, The SPEAKER stated what was the practice of the House upon such occasions, and suggested the propriety of moving .to take Amendments into consideration at a distant day. ' Sir W. SCOTT moved that they should . be taken . into consideration this day - three .months ; which was agreed to nem. eln.—Sir W. SCOTT then moved for, and obtained leave to bring in another Bill up. on the same subjed. The Order of the Day for the third reading of the Additional Excise Duty Bill being read, Mr. MTN:HINSON rose to call the attention of the House. to the Effect which this Bill would have upon theAtt of Unioo,abe 6th Article Of which stated the Subjeds Of the two Count riesibotild he placed. Up. on the same footing with regard to Duties, tic. Now it was not 'proposed by this Bill to tax the stock of Spirits which was on hand in this Country, but all Spirits - which might be imported from Ireland after the ph of July would he subjeti to-this new the consequence of which -would . be, that as long' as rite stock on hand in -this. Country lasted, the. Irish ,Importer would be under this disadvantage, that the Spirits-he imported into this Country would pay the new Day, and the British ' . Distiller would have SroCk :.yo hand to dispose of,': which had not paid 'the new •Dutv, which wota give a gr c eat f,dvan. tsge to ihelotter. Besides, if the 'British Pistillet chose to export any of his present Stock on hand to ....Ireland, he would lae entitled to a drawback, wdt hi would enable him to undersell the Irish Distiller in his own market; this he considered as incousistent with the Aft of Union.. • . Mr. CO RRY said, tha t upon this subjeft 114 trusted be should have credit from the-House when he asserted, that it had taken up much of his time and attention for some tim e p have heen deficient in the duty which belonand hey ged to his situation, if be had not tak en every pains in his power toinvestigate it. The Hon. Gentleman war n coed in his statement that in so much as the DiF• asthould tiller of this Country had a stock on hand which would not pay the oew duty , h e would certainly obtain.a considerable advantage : but what rated/ could he applied the Honourabl e Gentleman not stated, nor could he imagine. I f the y i ed to the whole of the measure, it would ref. had I°°lt. taint) , be in favour of the British Distiller. but that advantage would precisely at the period of the termination of the duty, change hands, operate in favour of the Trish Distiller. BCCEUee when the duty ceased, the stock: on hand in Great Britain s would have paid the duty ; but the Irish - Distiller could then ampott spirits with Ont sh e du ty ; and the advantage would consequently change sides. Whether the stock on hand' would he re - • cisely the same at both periods; it was impossible for him to say, but upon a great State WWl' such as this, it was imposSible to meet all the rt" note inconveniences that might occur. He ,shouta be wanting in justice to the Administrations if h e T tiici , . not-dechre that the greatest , pains. had,,be e° taken to investigate. the subject,: and to TO O l every inequalityand would • The ohjed of the Article . Union alluded to, was, that the British and Irish Subjea should possess the same advantage) aortal'c same time and at the same place, but , it Was the ' intended that they were to be,put upo n exactly Same footing at different places,. With regard t(3 what he had said about the Drawback, no man 01 ,, 5 , entitled to receive a Drawback who had n ot- P a r , the original duty : that was a point upon whic h u . : course care would be taken in this CountrYl- 4,n,' therefore he entertained no apprehensions to)0111"" subjea. Upon the whole therefore he ,was satiffita there was not in.this measure any infratlitin of ilic ,treaty, of Union. • . - After some further observations from Sir 1 -i',!, u ` RENCE PARSONS, the C HA NCELLOR of the DX" CHEQUER, Mr. VANSITTART, Mr. Huxotis sc '' Mr. WICKHAM, and Mr. Coney, relative to ihO same point, the Bill was passed. n ,Mr. CORBY brought. up. the Irish Add itioal Customs and Excise Duties Bill , the Irish Banii4 Notes Bill, and the Irish Militia Pa y and Ci°,at',.l' ing Bill, which were severally read a first u m "' and ordered to be read a second time to,morrow• A new Writ was ordered for Stranraer, k 4. i 4 the room of JOHN SPALDING, Esq. who had ace ed cep T t the Chiltern Hunreds. he Comtuittee'on the d Dtlties on Saltpetre in 1 14 ' land, was ordered for to-morroiv; The Committee on the Irish Itevenoeßegulatiou Bill was ordered for Thursdiqie The-House in a Committee on the. Scotch Arms of Reserve Bill. The sectittAo Al' ame nd WA: stated the Bill was simila r t° t h ° 47t ' .1g1.847 til the only materialamendment p roposed was "" • ~ i ren t oountiess respeEt to the quota s of the Jiff- These quotas had been allott ed in t he Bill sceornsiderattdi.ort s n it had been deemed more elig ible to return to __._, quotas as establish ed in the old Militia. The ill to a .new calculation, but ;V on further o B then passed the Committeee/form, anti the House /r having resumed, the Report was receied, and ordered to. be. taken into further consideration . tow morrow, and the Bill As amen ded to be prinied The Militia Field Officers Bill was read a thin time and passed. The farther consideration of canttports of 0( 1 Militia Pay Bill, and Militia Adjus. Bill was de, ferred till - Tuesday. Mt, WICKHAM gave notice of his intentiill re B on tO move on F the riday, for leave to bring in a - sl'eaing some further re g ulations relative to Irish Militia. . , t' M. ALE XAND E R hcuught up .the Report p. die Irish:Workmen Combination ;Bill, which %vas i " 0 and agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be rea' chi The rd time to.ino. Committe rrow e' of .Ways and Me were e f ' derail for tOADorrow, • . Adjourned at half past Nine, till ro_morrow. TO Tlls EDITOR OF THE SUN• 17:r1)1 indu c edl to trouble you with this Letter, in consequence of a very great oppression .1 feAr , is about to be laid on my Trade, in preference to alio. after you have read the circumstances, I submit to your consideration how far, through chit medium of your Paper, you can comply wish Euf wish of laying it before the Public. In the copy of the Schedule of the new Taxes t" be imposed, which appeared in your Paper a fog days since, 'it may be observed , that " Every .130 50 , of Malt belonging to any Maltster, or I\laker I tor any Other person, even to the bush° " that shall be ground, is to be charged- with a " new Duty of 2i.," From which I imply that every grain in m possession 14 to pay after 010' rate, aoci that all the Stock of Malt on hand is to : be subjed to the new bury. _ But, Sir, I observe no m ention is made in the said Schedule of the Stork of Spirits, and ky such omission, -I infer, the Stock -o f S p irit on hand is t° be exempt from the new Doty. To impose the new Du t y on the Stock o f one Marmfaeturer and not upon all, I think may be called an ad of injustice. I have fur her enquired into this affair, and a friend of mine has shewn a statement of the emoluments which are to d ia erive to our IVlanufafturers of Spirits frOm this partlity It hates,. there are but fourteen Malt Distillers, in this Country; that one of them has 3000 pun. cholons of spirits, another 2000 ; but upon the whole he State", that the Malt Distillons Sp lers will have tonal them about 2,.,09,600 gal of irits in stoci bi the sth of which is the day tiro inten.dr t stop work, and on which Stock the PMintistc 0,1 c'4 es rot intend to charge them . the new u),