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lAi PER lilt P R L I/1 EN 7. ROUSE OF PEENS, Wk.UNESDAY, AUG. 3. Tut , Ai% upon thf,. Tattle were read in tl.rir e c t i ve st;tgc Wil'eli TCa • Ild CrOftfe Exci-e, the Atnqinneeris Duties and )ke. eruct "I'Ax 13111 s were react a seortti . time. Tht• \rte of Credit, the 1, 500,0011. Exchequer Dills 11;11, the Custom+ Regulation 13i11,, anti the , ta,sia, Duty Bills, pa4ekt through Capunittees.of awl were ordere,l to he reporea. The Scotch Cottrm MannfaCturera ,Bill, and the Shipping En.courragement. Bill, were read a thin! time 80t1 passed. Mr: CLI , M E NTS. from the Cornmisioners of Westtninuer at id t, preschted certain Accounts ifircile,l to he laid annually before Parliament. After waiting sc,me ►une, their Lorilihips ad. j ,urned till low o'clock to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUILSDAY, AtIOUNT Z. We have been favoured %.v . 114„ some furtheryarti. calars of the important Pehate• on. Tuesday night opened the Debate with his opinion that lilies of intretichment were necessary for the Wiener of the Kingdom, and entered into a lung hi.tnry of, military odic* to enforce his•argu. ment ; and was much surprised Ministers had not had tecontse, to such a great measure of defence as the service's of the he ir Apparent would be, but which he understood they had declined. He appeared fully master of his subjett, spoke with great ani. tns~ti{in, denying that party bad the smallest Ou elver upon his condua, 'and conducted with moving a Resolution, whickhe afterwards withdrew to give way to Mr. Fox's. Address tOthe King on the sub. jet of a Military. Council. The SscurrA.lty at WAR, in reply, combated :mit of 'the sentiments Of the Colonel ; admitted, however, bi general, a Council of War to be, an ad. vi,able measure, but in the present instance it was a aiCt:et attack 'opon.the management of the, Army, as diretied by the luxe 'of Yotot, f?.RsxINE - denied in any instance the use of intrenclonents, and maintained that they were. never wed withodt loss 'to those depending upon them. Fin said he should vote for the Council of War, but desired to have it understood it was not . this :parsictilar occasion that inclined him so to do, but he had ,always thought such an establishment was a necessary One, and that it ought to be a per. malent one. Sir FRANC ti BURDITT stated, that till the griev aoccs of the People were lightened, unanimity could n tt he eXnedeti. Mr. BARHAM. Sir,. I pretend not to know much of military mutts, and will, assuredly not detain the House from hearing those who RTC more (ratified to speak on such subjeas. Ido indeed think that the establishment of a Council Of War would be of the utmost importance under the ptesent circumstaoces, and without meaning the least disparagement to the 'dustrinus Person at the head of the Army, I may add.my fullest per suasion that such is the general sense of the public ;but w hat 'chiefly rise to speak on, is what every man may be supposed equally competent ter` judge upon ; I mean the extraordinaty circumstance mentioned by the Honourable Offietr, namely, that His Ma. jcsty's Ministers should have advised him to decline the services of the Heir Apparent, for whose birthright, combined with our own inde. pendence, we have now to contend.—When first heard this,' I really had a di ffi culty in belieu.. lug thereport ; not that / doubted that that Illustri ous Perim age would, as it became him, demand his proper station on the present occasion. No, Sir, I koew that the natural gallantry of his charader, his love of the Country, anti the interest he has in its &feller, would not suffer hire to rest unless lw ob tained his full share of the danger, and his due chance of the glory that must follow. But, Sir, I c. Old not believe that any Ministers could be so blind to the advantages which the Countty might derive from such an example, as not to give the full. test , efirtf to the imnulse and animation it would give the People, when they saw, that from none of the 4 1 ogees which they hail themselves to encounter, the Heir Atpareot would he exempt. And as Servants of the Crown arid lovers of die Monarchy, I did thiok that they would rejoice in furnishing an op. itnity to the Son of a beloved Sovereign to dis. tioguish himself, as he is qualified to do, and to endear himself to the People whom h e i s on e d a y t o govern. This !natter is so extraordinary, that I think Parliament bound to denind some account of it, and if His Majesty's Ministers should not be &posed to' give such account, I hope there are tlose its this House cormated with his Royal Highness, who will, in justice to him, give the (tallest t ion upon the subjvtt ; fur if the Coon. try. is to be deprived of the services which that 11. Itistrions Person may render it, it is at least but jkotice to him (and indeed of importance also to the Co ul on ) ) that it should he known hOw the fan s lauds ; and that if it he thought fit, when all classes sod r toks of men me obeying the voice Of their COuntry, to mark as unfit to have any share, that persoo st ho has the greatest stake to defend in it, all the circumstances should be in the possession of the Public. 1 know very it ell I shall be told, this is a deli. care et, and that it is Wet feting with the Prerogative. Sir, 1 respell the Prerogative as much as any mmn, feel all the delicacy th a t i s d or t o the subjett ; bin that is uodue revere' to the plerogative, which would Clin! Parliament to ex. ress art Opinion up' n what may be of the highest importance to the Country ; anti that is no trite de. licacy, which would inquiry into wh at will add the hormor of the party'. Mr. Tv awn " Mr. Speaker, an Illustrious Per , ooage, to is hose family I have the honour to " be sheered, h. it,g been 60 &Melly iilllitiCti to by " eli t e. 11,0, GrMiCitiels who have pr'ceded me, I Can w "libnigt rbe silent. The f“ limn the very 41 C fo o te ri cemci o of the, war, has in,initested art anat. ,us to he Placed i,t au k military ,iittraciorr " to which His Majesty might be pleased to call hilYl, which wishes have been mule known to His '' ,jesty's Ministers. " I esteem it my duty,'alsn, Sir, here to declare (qt-eating any imputation which might be. " thrown upon a chtiaCter of such value to us all to preserve unshaded), that if the services of the " lostrious Personage aludecl to have been rejected, '' 1 have po&of the bolt d,:es nat lay at the dour of " the Comm older in Chief." Mr. HAWKINS BROWNV spoke considerable length, and drew an anittlit , ed picture of what the People had to expt.(t fr , mn French Liberty, and ex. honed them to skew the utmost energy in such a _ _ Mr. CHAPMAN (a New Member) was particu. larly co►nplimentary to the Heir Apparent, said that he had not the pleasure of being personally known to him, but said that in the Country to .- • which he belonged (Wales) nothing would invt. Borate the inhabitants so much as the idea that they might, as in times of old, be headed by such an 11. lustrious Prince. Mr. ALEXANDER Spoke at some length, and' strongly reprobated the do trines of Sir Francis 'Butdett. Mr. FRANCIS made a very eloquent speech, in which he animadverted with great strength on the treatment which his Royal Highness had received. Lord KENSINGTON was 'decidedly .fur a Council of War; as was Sir R. WILLI/04i. Mr. Fox rose, and enforced the necessity of a Council of War, Mr. F. was peculiarly ani• mated upon the subjea of the PRANCE of WALE*, and upon that of Ireland. " What can be the reason (said he) that you refuse the set vices of the Heir Apparent ? Is he too old ? Is he too young ? Did you make him a Colo. nel 2t years ago by way of douceur, as a little pecuniary aid ? Is he not known to be in the vtry prime of life; at the very period man is capable of the utmost energy I I expea from Ministers the reason he is thus treated, and so will the Country." He concluded with moving the following Amend. merit : That an Address be presented to His Majesty, praying that he would be graciously pleased to appoint a Military Coan... cif, consisting of General Officers, and such others as to His. Majesty shall seem fit, for the purpose of giving their ad. vice when called upon by His Majesty, respeCting the Defence Of the Country, and of being consulted occasionally, or from day to day if necessary, by the Commander in Chief, and His Majesty's Ministers, upon that important subjecl. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER answer. ed many of the arguments of Colonel Crawford, and with regard to the PRINCE Of WALES, he said, " No man is more ready to bear attestation to the feelings so worthy at the rank and charader of " the Illustrious Personage alluded to, than I am, " Having made this declaration, I must here pause, " and declate that nothing short of the commands "of the King, and the united authority of this " House, shall in future ever Compel me to say one " word upon the subject." Mr. W;N011A111 most 'strongly enforced the rte. cessity at a Council of War, and thought at all events the PRINCE should have a command, for which no man was mare fir. General' MAITLA ND Spoke against the 'Lotion, and maintained that there was already a.Council of War, to all intents and purposes, now existing. Mr. CALCRAPT began by replying to some parts of General MAtland's speech, tespedi ng t h e C ou p. cil of War, and stated, that the nomination of it was to be in the Executive Government, who hal o. it in their power to aelta many eminent Officers, Naval and Military, now unemployed, and who, in 'his opinion, it would be unpardonable to leave unconsulted in the present State of affairs.. He meant no disresped 'to the Commander in Chief, who could not be in Council and the Field at the same time, The Right Hon. gentleman (Mr. Addin4- ton) had rested his °Nation to the proposal, prince. pally upon a want of precedent, which did not in his mind signify. The crisis was without pie cedent, 'and our measures' to meet it had been, and must be so, and he liked them the better for it, as they, were most congenial to the occasion. It had been said, rearospedien was useless ; he could not, however, forbear from it, in a qu e stion which involved the defence of the Country. And, it did not appear to him,that those which had been taken for the defence had'inverted the true end rational or. der of proceeding ; the last should have been first, and the grand arming of this Country, of which all approved, would have laid the hest foundation fur these Others that had taken place fir the Supple. mental} , Militia and the Army of Reserve. litit what he most complained of, was a repetititin of What he had formerly stated, that we had negleded the leading feature in our defence, the Line ; nu efficient measures had been taken for recruiting it as Line ; on the contrary, by the mode we had adopted, as recommended by His Majesty's Mini. stets, we had turned the Line into Fencibles; After saying a good deal upon these topics, he ad.. verted to those which had induced him to ,persist in offering himself to the SPEAKER'S notice, which he should have continued to do even if the House had been much later. He meant that part of the dis. cussion which alluded to the PRINCE of WALES; nor was he at all satisfied with what the Minister had at last deigned to :say upon that subject, for it was left in a state of uncertainty and doubt highly unbecoming, nay even the final answer to the app_ cation which did that Illustrious Charader so much honour, hat not been stated to the House . An lion. Gentleman (Mr. H. BROWNS), who had treated this subject in a most, extraordinary manner, had been pleased to say, Ministers are responsible for the ad. vile they give the Crown, and in the next Sessions they will account fur what they have advised this Sessions of Parliament ; said Mr. C., do Gentlemen consider what may intervene Is it not the opinion of many, that the Crown may be fought .foe on English ground before that period ?—and, is it de. cent, is it shewing that sincere attachment to the Monarchy, that the PRINCE Of WALES should re. main, tinting such an, interval, without a suitable pose 'ass igned him to share in the contest; and parti. cipate in the triumph, the. very dangers of which most endear him to his'Cuuntrymen, who are one day to he his.Subjed s ? Is' this alvice to give the Monarch ? But, if there are rem.oitS of state Zvi his narrow view could not penetrate, which it could not imagine, orantiCipatc, it it at least, fitting the Direr, its manner and detail, should' be known to the Country—and I should have thought the Minister, if he bad felt all the sin. verity he professes, would have hada loyal satilic..• tion in dilating upon the subjeEt, and detailing it to the House. The PRINCE of WAL vs has been a Colonel in the Army from the year 1782. His brother is a Field Marshal and Commander in Chief. Three younger brothers Lieutenant-Generals. And you leave the Hcir Apparent to the Monarchy to fight for that Crown which be one day is to wear, as a Colonel of a Regiment, under the command of* Major. General, his own &perry. - The Honourable Gentleman concluded by_ passing a handsome eulogium upon the PRINCI WALIS, expressing the highest moped for his. e!)aratter on ,every consideration. Mr. SMITH (of Norwich) paid very handsome compliments to the PRINCE ) and was convinced his being employed was a measure of deience . expefted by the Country. Mr. SHIRIDAN said a few words; as did Colo nels HUTCHINbON and Wow), who supported the necessity of a Military Council. After this the House divided—. Ayes, for Mr. Fox's Motion . 38 Noes 63 LIST 0/ ?Kt MINORITY. Adair, Robert -' Hurst, Robert Barclay, George Hutchinson, Hon. C. Barham, Joseph roster Johnstone, George Calcraft, lohn Kensington, Lord Chapman, Chutes Laurence, French Combe, Harvey Macmahon,_ John Dent, John Morpeth, Viscount Dillon, Hon. Aug. North, Dudley Elford, Sir Wm. Phipps, Hon. Edmund Elliott, Wm. Pulteney, Sir Win. ht. Erskine, Sir Wm. Bt. St. john, Hon. St. A. Folkston, Viscount Shum, George Bonbianque, tolin Smith, Wm. (Norwich) Fortescue, Wm. Charles Spencer, Lord Robert Fox, Hon. Charles T__yrwhitt, Thomas Francis. Philip Ward, Hon. 1, W. Gower, Lord G. L. Williams, Sir R. Ban. Giles, Daniel Windham, Rt: Hon. W. Hughes, Wm. Lewis Woud, Ma& TZLILIIRS. I. Crawford R. B. Sheridan. • WIDNISDAY S AUO. 3. LORD StOPFOILD informed the House, that His Majesty was waited on with the Address of Mon_ day last, and would be graciously pleased to give directions accordingly. Mr. BKAGOB moved that the Lords' Amendments in the Bristol Port Bill be taken into further con. sideration, Mr. HENDERSON, after a few observations, moved that the Amendments be considered this day ree months ; which was negatived, and the Amend, ments were , then read 'and agreed to. Mr. YORKE moved to bring in a Bill for amend ing the National Defence Act. The first Clause ' would give His Majesty power to suspend the ope. ration of the comoisive part of the Aft, where re less number than three.fourths or the First Class come forward as Volunteers. The next Clause provided'a regulation for those persons who mien leave one place'of residence for another. The Bill also grants an indulgence to those_ persons who are subject to the letter of the A. and who may at present'be out of the KingdOm, as. well as those whose business calls.thcm to different parts of the Country ; lidded to which there are some regulations with respea to IST,ol.Clininissioned Officers. Leave being granted, The SECRETARY at WAR brought in the Bill, which was read . a first and second time, and com mitted for to-morrow, The Scotch Army of Reserve Amendment Bill was read a third time anti passed, The Treaty Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be read a third time to.m.yrrow. The AT TORNEY GENERAL said, the ()Ned of the Bill.he was about to move far leave to bring in, was to prevent the fotgery of Bills of Exchange, anti Foreign Promissory Notes. Offences of the nature this Bill went to remedy had arrived at an alarming height, and the Magistrates of the Coon. try Were enitt led to great raise fur the many discoveries of persons who have gone about the Country passing these counterfeit Notes. He should therefore move for leave .to bring in x Bill to the aboVe stated. Leave granted. • The Hon. Gentleman brought in the,Bill, which was read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to.morrowr • The LORD MAYOR moved to bring in a Bill to empower the Lieutenanrcy of the City of 'London to carry into drat the National Defence Bill. On leave being granted, his Lordship brought in the SW, which was read a first and second.time s , and orilere4 to he read a t;tita time to-morrow. The Report of the Bonding and Warehousing Bill was brought up, the House went into a Committee on the Bill. Mr. PANSITTART observed, where a Port has not the aCCOMlllOthit 1011 required, that privilege should be granted to extend them. On the House being resumed, the Report was ordered to-morrow. The Report of the Committee appointed to take into consideration the Irish 'Navigation Bill was brought up and agreed to. Mr. Coa Y moved that it be an instruction to the Committee upon the Bill respelling t h e I m p ortat i on of Goods into Ireland in Neutral Ships, to make provisions according to the Resolutions of thi said Committee. On the Order of the Day being read for the House to go into a Committee on the Prize Court Bill, Mr, JOHNSTONE entered at considerable: length into the state of the Prize Court of this Country, and complained of the present proceed. ings, as far as they apply to the delay attending causes in the Prize Court. - The Hon. Gentleman said as the rules of praelice now existed, the greatest evils would arise to those persons whose causes went into the Court in question The judges who are Commissioners in the Admiralty Court, having so great a portion of public duty of variou4 elescrip. firms, were unable to give much time to the business of the Prize Court ; it was therefore impossible that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman who now presides over the Prize Court should be able to get through s; niu6h buiincst unassisted. He should theretore pro ose that the Master of t h e R o ll s , t h e Admiralty judge, and nine other judges should meet the first day of every Sitting', an' eintrttot to tit, for the speedy dispatch of puh'ic husioess . . The lion. Gentleman moved that an io ru.tiion he given to the Committee to adopt a method fir the more speedy decision Of Appeals. Sir WM. SCI/Tsaid, he was ready to sul)scr;he to any measures that would either serve this Government, or those with whom we are con. neeled, but he thought the plan recom , nended by the Honourable Gentleman, namely, the associ• ation of the Common Lau/ Juiges with the judge of the Prize Court, notwithstanding their great legal acquirements and the many accomplishments, which render them the ornaments of the Country, would not go to remedy the tiefeA complained - of, as the Rules of Praetice in the Acl,niralty Courts, are different from the Commln Law Courts, and which constitutes a study of itself, added to which those learned and legal Ornaments of the Stare had already more busineskthan dui could well dispatch, and of such a various description, that it would be impossible for them to give their attention to the subjet in question. The Learned and Honourable Gentleman then went over the Proceedings of the Court, with remarks on its Traetice and canner. lion with the Prize Courts of other Nations, anti concluded with observing, that the remedy recom. mended. would not be adequate to the &fed cum. plained of. The question teas then put, whether the inqtruc. lions proposed brtlte Hon. Gentleman, Mr. JOHN. •stwit, should be received..—Btltit WAS negatived. Mr. BURROW - MS said, he meant to have called the attention of the House to the propriety of the Establishinent of Prize Courts in the gist Indies, but he.understood that the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. had (Ton a former occasion admitted the necessity of such a measure, and therefure it would not be neceisary for him to press it at pre sent. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re plied, that he had not said that.lVlinisters had milted the necessity of the measure, he orlY " id they had taken the expediency of it into consider . ation. The House then resolved into a Committee upon the Bill, Mr. ALEXANDIIit in the Chair. Sir W. SCOTT proposed a Clause resoeaing ri te unclaimed shares of Prize.m.lley bel.ingi"g the Army, which he said must amount to a consi 1.!tal?le sum, and which was, he supposed, now lylog in She Agents' hands. In the case of unclaimed Prize. money belonging to the Navy, it was given to Greenwich H..spital, and with regard to the Arroyo , he proposed to give it t 0 Chelitia Agreed to. Sir. C. Pf3LE objceled to the Clause respeCting • the appointment of Agents : he wished that Naval • Officers anti Seamen should have the power delving.. ingoheir Agents without making a formal applica tion to the Court. . A long conversation ensued upon this Clause, after which it was agreed to reserve it for future coo-. sideration. The Bill then passed the Committee, an d the Report was ordered to be received to.morrOw. The Curates Residence BM was read a thirst time and passed ;as was also the Potchequer Bi Is Bill. • The Prince of Orangeti Annuity Bill was also read a third time and passed. The report of the Alien Bill was read, rigread to; the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to morrow if then ingrossed. • As also the Scotch Malt Duty Bill, Mr. ALEXANDER brought up an account of the qualification' of Lieutenants aid other Militia Officers, which was ordered to be laid on the l'abie• The Tortola Free-Port Bill passed a Committee of the whole House, and the Report was ordered to be received tomorrow. The Bill for making compensation to Lord Ame fiersr, on account of some possessions in Canadit &c. past a Committee of the whole House, and this Report was ordered to he received to-morrow.. The Bilk for making perpetual the law to prevent persons going armed for the purpose of ob v truttio4 Officers of the Reeenue, w as rea d a secon d t i me and ordered to be: committed to a Committee of the whole House to.morrow. As was also the Wine Tormage'Duty Bill. The Upper Canada. Criminal jurisdietion Bill was also read a second time, and ordered to ba committed to a Committee of the whole House to morrow, The Irish Glebe Houses Bill, wits also read a second time, and ordered to be committed to ; a Committee of the whole House tomorrow. The House in a Committee on the Ncwfotindland fishery Bill, went through it, and the Report was ordered to be received to.morrow. The Committee upon the Neutral Ships. Bill was postponed till to.morrow. The House in a Committee went through the Consolidated Fund Bill, and adopted a cl.use of ap— propriation moved by Mr. VANsITTART. Thai" Report was ordered to he received to-morrow. In a Committee on the Starch Ditty Bill, several Amendments were made therein, on the motion 0 1 Mr. VANSITTART, one of which was, that Stamp s used of greater value than those required by th e Bill, should be valid and effs.ttual. To e Report. was ordered to be received to.morrow. The Committee on the Sugar Bib was deferre d till to-morrow. The Report of the Assessed Taxes Bill being taken into consideration, Mr. V A.VSITT ART observed, that as several further Amendm ents were d eeme d necessar y in , ► , Bill, it may be the more convenient way to re.entr mit the Bill, and having moved to that effeell t tle . House resolved into a Committee on the Bill. Mr. VANSITTAaT having proposed some of the Amendments, Mr. GARLAND took the opportunity to nn ti i c : D th u e tic a s tra o n ng7l: l s ii , c , i ; was made respeding : t this io some points of vi ew , h e vc4orinesuiL s sixes, sea's &.'.. highly proper—the effect was, that H: uses, such a, wc id generally occupi e d b y C,e rich and fishionabler nave to pity a single tax, when the f4ouses cif irt u dy v iduals of a contiory description would a l° or double. The or i g i na l Bil l prov id e d in.a manner. After a few observations from Mr. VANsivrA,::: on what had fallen from the il'w• Genti " . " rs ' ifig agteed that progress aliou:d be repotted, Old? c