The Sun. — London, England, 1845-05-21 00:00:00

'~ w ,he }Weer sae wore that We waiting staircase anding t° ratted the opened in ng contr i ' Jorsetsbire kalcct and er n to ant in Dorset that these cuing rne „clothe the Wel t render Ivo That • au not doubt, refutation ho w ill be' to b e t.office. , cbes fro W h a t If n i e3gu e ' ir readers h a ve League dressed to ion on o g 'riend the P d p d that "" r. r ° ' mence 4 tors tt in p e ' F. en ri°l - Ch ars' on, 1 ;7: Eicp, it " Grelsl°' tb' "-' ,illl' 4 t c''' t It', 1 - PORTING INTELLIGENCE. 'f GOBI-lAMBI:EY RACES. —TUESDAY. 'i he nominations, of which an outline was published til londay, altho ug h goo d i n aggregate, and calculated t o sustain the popularity of the meetings, fell short of „ B " )t ne of th e principal stakes, and ne ith er t h e events i' L ei ,eci yest er d ay nor tho-e to be ran this day are '',±ly to mak e any alteration in the positions of the her b favourites. But if the field were small and the iebasruielatser;fid slight prospective importance, the sport wes satisfactory, and rue off with a better observ tinae 'lien has usually c ee . 0 f ' Itt) Mansrganient. r oaTt li e €' r s general arrangements on the course, and of connected kith the racing, were entru , ted to 111 Z same parCes who have, from their first establishment, Ineiated as Judge Clerl; of the Coutise, and Starter ; Nan,cl2 ,tmcler the - personal direction of the Earl of a." 111410, were carried Out en the same plan that has iiitherto been so successful in distinguishing Gorham tin ie j ' one of th e most qu i et and enjoyable meetings in, a,,gdoin. Ev er ythi ne i n t h e shape of gambling (of a 0 the We do not presume to apply so unpa l ata b le a term which elcgiti otate amusements, or to th e s p ecu l at i ons to 1 ra tre they gave rise) was prohibited, defaultt rs N it shdd zn kr7'orem , and ro guer y in alll•All tfth!r,- Was kept at hay by the Itrong arm ei,,,''lw• Pity that a treat i ng so we ll conducted, st : nd so Yet, i (11 3' Popular w ith a ll c l asses, should be discontinued, th,- report is to he belies ed, such is not unlikely to be 0,0;4e. The weather, unfortuliately, was cold and t to ia:r.Yßaid, in consequence, the assemblage was tel l . ,'?• r We have bt en on some occasiors ; still it was d iiViattlerous ; and that there was no lack of rank an 11 4 ,,, 1 k 'n, the following selection will sh ow : —Th e Ger 51.citrY H ouse list included the Earl o f V eru l am, D u k e eta i'- ne hess of B eaufort, Lord and Lady Craven, Hon. lk ii 'raven, Lord Stanley, Lord and Lady Clarendon, C. G,f)t. Rutlend, Boa. Mr. end Mrs. Grimston, Hon. 411r,,,thastn, Lord C. Manners, Lord Caledon, Lord trai,'", t "th Lord and Lath - Villiers, Lady Elizabeth and 1 / 1 : ' vn lYn Craven Marquis of Exeter, Sir W. W. , 1, r 1 1 ,n) 'Alis llorrica-, ' Mr. Greville, Hn. F. Grimston. Ntaio4,Cottutt si of Verularn, we regret to say, was de- I „ In , town by indisposition. In addition to the Noble ta -,."' his guests we observed the Earl of Uxbridge, Ben no Alarch, Lord Glarnis, Lord A. Lennox, Lord G. Ile n s t l, Lord Dun cannon, Lord E. Russell, Lord Ipswich, /i on : f„. Villiers Hon. Fras. Villiers, Hon. H. Forrester, 110Sjy',,a1)stalc. BOyle, Hon.. Captain Stanley, Hon. E. M. titib, i , x, IrJ, Haar lay, Sir G. Houston, Sir M. Far xtiiknin' 0,-Les,srs. Cuthbert, Vyse, Lindsay, G. Stanley, T. - ‘ ° l , - ' Ar ayne, Rush, Beauclerk, Higgins, Bastard, t'lljti, .' Gregory, S. Graham, Delme, Batson, Crom- Th e ;glia s , 8„.. ' t i elt, a b Q ,' were originally fixed to commence at one bi,Th t he - ", t, in consequence of her Majesty's state ~,n ; at hart i;tl4rt for the Craven Stakes was deferred till b t% ; ' ll , oll:'l*Past four the last race was over, and by t r- ",‘ 4 , Pre , v ": 4 " had the good fortune to save the special un i s ' ' ge t! at Watford, were landed safely at P , '„ 4. k 9ttar o. ' ll i ' l, l4 l) ll ,"i i , ° i'l an outline of the sport, and the results of 'le cre,,-1 betting between the different events : ' Illtat-',44 Stakes of 10 sous. each, with 20 added; eYelir, t'n'ear-011, 6st 1 9 Ib ; four years, Bst 71b ; five ee t ;.,'st ; six years and aged, 9st 21b. Cherry t"(l Gl l ' e ' (3 s b ) ot a ,. , us. 4 4 Q, Luis sch c, Satyr, by Glaucus, 4 yrs (Nat) 2 1 on G• .entinek' • Moonshine, 3 yrs Gila) ''' w a ye ll 0 vey's Mystery, 3 yrs th - ' 'yea 4 43'stery. A fine race between the first two The o Pang the post by a head ; Mystery was beaten i of a length. 5,.(01f3r if air.„lbu,ry Handicap of 25 sous. each, 15 ft, and „` 41 3 stake declared, with :Al added ; the second saved kr4er‘claro• Stand course. 34 subs., 19 of whom ' ; etlib ert ,, 1.;: , -,..... a Queen of the Tyne, 6 yrs, 7st 1016 1 ti Nliieri.; ... ... . . ...... . il l ' , l G . to s Philip, 5 yrs, 7st 121 b 4 dle f.,?entinck's Rest Bower e r t A,I• .) in vving also started, but were not placed : °l4 tia e h l,l ' lnt n's Godfrey, 4 yrs, 7st 3lb (Lye)—Mr. rtr/11., i , 4, beviharnong-the-Tailors, 6 yrs, 7st (Crouch) , pa's,onideston's Elixtr„s yrs, Est 13lb (Planner) — bar ,"Y Laurel out of Christina, 4 yrs, Est (H. Cotton) As i r. c .schild's Saint)°, 4 yrs, 'sst 1216 (Wheeler) , til'Ae4seltines Fitzallen, 3 yrs, sst 61b (A. Day)— li °4l Exeter's De(Aara', 4 '4d L ec}baid's Desperation, 3 - rs .53t 31h (Carter) — to 4 3 y rs, ' 4st 111 b (Gilson.) I to 2 agst G Fitzallen, 7 to 2 agst Queen of Tyne, .to 1 gst Godfrey, 9 to 2 agst Sambo, sto 1 agst Philip, 44 b agSt Best Bower, and - 16 to 1 each agst Deodara hi,.at: la ristina l'l4lDer,Ation. fill went off in front, followed by Des lik Lon, Queen Okh "%t arty'` uee n °f Tyne, Sambo, and Godfrey, and, .Cho: Material change, carried the running on to fNit,, ,rat-tree turn, in o re; w ith her Sambo and mpeashvienrtg4twii,lyilicahndshweasrasneenounto, host, a t he race. The Queen of ! Wa. f 4, s nevt ,afterwards caught, and won coon, then went in cleverly by 4 )'ength Pti . l . ,- 1 It, arc, . , ilp too, the second place at the distance, N, tireruent of odfrey,G beating Best Bower by a 4 , i , .curopa a bad fourth to, '' Stakes of 20 sovs. each, h ft, with 25 added ; thr ". ee '' s °ld colts sst 71b, and fillies, Bst , b . -rs onep 411 ) ,- . e 71b extra ; the second .t 4 .13 hi- ' ViVIC , . k' 4l \r e ,. '' st ake. Cherry-tree mile. (6 Subs.) i' ' le ularas C 2 orumb , a colt (Cotton) 1 42 te()ontnenoti's yoox 2 I t idt:daria_t:en,:akeeso,ruoinf ba colt which took the lead, Bri a ,, a in In a canter. list 31b"." r " Yrs, Bst 7111 ; 10 says, e • ac i li o , st. sft, with 25 71b; five t - rs, I " hc f.httranners once 31b,o t a vi r ic 3 :e rs 'i'lb extra; maiden lt, Sl3ulcibaf:l'2soel.4,la&lrsoaftli"ed 31b. The s mile. t be fr. it i-, eel 's riders. Last mile. (14 Ai r , ••••-mith,,,,, c ,. , • urah,,, - oLartu i . ~ k•or 1 o ' 8 Ilan L n "'ldo 3 yrs (Mr. Barclay) 1 1 • ' ...aledon, a s orn, 5 . ' 411 rd GI • 8 4 olly N T . .3 rs 2 hi, , a rnis's Bat . ' n gg 4 yrs G. no 3r, 4y• ' - Liston's Tf, r' let 6 t° 4 agSt Q e Aittered One, 6 yrs k On ' Ca rr/lent d ne, ••• • ... 'll l , Nl ' c.' i e r; _ The.ef.uraite°' and sto 2 against the Al made nearly all the running, selling' s lt r by three lengths. 4 1:41 G. $e . Setsanodf 100rsovs. each, h , ft, with 25 added. ' 5 ll l„. ntinekss ' arse. (7 subs.) . 'la s _ larch's Jew ,sßest Bower, 4 yrs, Bst 31b (Nat) 2 1 Nt - j e follow. 6° 3's 3 yrs sst 61b 1' 0 11) i n 4 als ' • , IN, - -M r. p 0 ran : —Mr. Alorris a Chief, aged, l yrr r Y's arr ': enjee's Foxbury, 6 yrs, Bst 131b—Mr. t 51,64 1 11', -14 "' 4 Yrs, and Mr. Clark's Mespelus, tp l qi on . it N il °n 130 ai 4 i rac e b Y , and 2 to 1 agst Barricade. A A la tr le 1- t etw een the two Goodwood horses, and . hack i;stride by a head ; Mespelus a bad fourth. Il t ' Match ? ''t was on ihe cards, but did not come off. .; t4 , 4 ksti c i,, DERBY. , ,414kSt Clap 22 to 1 agst Old England l a ‘q 1 ktit A i n I) ay's lot 40 to 1 agst Maynooth 2 „ t o k ik „arm 40 to 1 agst Sis. to Laundress c '' to i kh t ~:,/ eatherbit a N i 'e Lib e l 45 to 1 agst Merry Monarch p ant asa 50 to 1 agst Winchester 66 to 1 agst Columbus lEs. tticashire WTitch 'y Wildair oA. II to 2 agit Lt. Win Bto 1 agst L L k i .1 (4,03% ------:-----7. , ENT.) 4 t ell e‘ • • A cultal'sP"" which I booked 4t ~ kiiit ,•,,eption of the Suflolk Stakes, t')rnktek 4 or tauld mare, my estimate of the running by bar -Nemarket and Manchester was tolera 1., , n 4 t ti t ' i n ,rti t , '7, t b ep"Plia-,,Pitesent week some very good sport will be seen ll,'l.lltzk-tIliN this " ', l n) . and AreWsbury- meetings. The which,forer ) 1 ? lth. ea 0 dry with the Gorhainbury Handicap,oc,_,..,, 41144 av,f,;4,ikizts tot carry off, will most assuredly be , pocketed C O :1,0• The Prm Stakes, for three-year- olds, 11l icc.), !ii,,,acte ic,r winner. 404 vfltot the will have Scarmentado for winner if aci ettil,see Altered One. ti Thale i pz i k sit 7 '41.0 Verulam will pocket the _Double .i'' ft .'"lts, • ark t4,.,es with Maynooth, Crim Con second. n,. 11el'epai` ,se% for two-vear-olds, has a dozen nom i i ._ d 4 .,, i '11, l'''ltee c‘„lthieb I knOw nothing- about, but I s toul e Ss. ` l l -''' Anna Buller). would be the first two at the itle t,,,`,.%41t,a,, Ot s'r-u re —s handicap I shall leave to Auld Lang rth,,,'lrev,,st!'a, the latter the victor. „,11)ai77Yta_IIP. on I%'ednesday, the 20 sous. Sweepstakes tjill.;')' , l i i:rea t e(;)..,i., will go into sir. Hill's pocket. itlv el Y c ' \ 'land Handicap has 21 acceptances,andis ) ti l :11 ; t !t' are iln'reduce a good race. Milton and Young,l,the 1 4 , t,. tlt, is iri the ,e, previous and race, Vl:slllr.b.ne ti tt t Z , lp tikii 1 5 I l l os w e ili l'p on ' the The "Pq,ePeiv tut, will g° to Mr. Meiklam, with Inhe- N tnv kr• Hill j ) el ~,rltio , ton e ~., • u„n'ill 1g.,.b. ~‘,np ought to go to either Alice Haw -410% '4l, G.itlel,lagli, should either start. 14;sti v , •9t prj msom, say a few words on the approaching kr , t2t3, wilsent it seems likely that about fOur or__i ow„ t'i,, 4 n the ~ ' be b rought to the post, of which the . fob 13: 4 tt1. ~.4141) t4-arn ought Weatherbit, The Libel, Pam, 14t444,5t ;ileal4lBa, Lair4ckpen, and Maynooth. il, Ilikii4Nl -ph inree best to stand upon are Old kt,,, alit, e Libel England, , tit t ,,, , ''k. r 111°re fully into the " crack affairs" at Epsom w • AfterL....._ .. _ 0 THE SPIRIT OF THE TURF. on, May 90 v 'tt t/40b -:----,.....,_:_______ Icr'ti,b, IVA ---------------- ---- IT Tit RAIL- I t t.,,, ,,,. Is rail TERFORD, AND . ALEN • 14 th'ltlatA WaY Commences at the most east,Aard - a -at th 11111 whearest , mos t Westward points of Ireland. t til tet, riles, and ‘ O, and must receive the traffic of tli t qt4(pletttir),, i , all railways in the south of England,_ t , Pt lta i /v}io ;,"Y„slstrar.l kith the south and west . of c''.,11,,,,A4 the'h-a"wayh also (including several in high 4,1: th',-..prti),;;Etdre litrket) will all be tributary to the (ftE ti lt L unat di , for no doubt the shortest sea passage VNtil l i t t i te iia thr'et railway transit will ever have the t4IN I „ iI the aav, estiMation of travellers, as rt gards c.om tiitttlerit d ee TF of time and expense ; and should the f 4 1 Y bo • the p aek e °II making the spacious harbour o i t 4, o pstl y re et station for America, this railway I,,:lflqt, Etia dgl4( l l , as a great imperial, if not Euro 14u l'h e 1 .e one of the best in 54 4(. rst a length f . r' 'G tilhl ' l d the i o. the line is about 112 miles, ated paying lines . htortait: so th at ~ nel.inations throughout are very_a r tr, t ee . the line will b h ly worked. The 1 , e c. q. , we ar e - e c eap tt t N,, ~the w informed, intend making use of the th" 'New ~,Dtert6rd and Kingstown proposed line lOr, r klee to'irs and Waterford, and of the branch l't.tept'llany, sotillarheY, proposed to be made by an ,741 1., f ete th‘, hat the capital will be amply sufficient ellat ,f, u.derral ') gin the best manner. The 441t!ettl.,'ullateittee presents the names of many of the tklj'et" th Y ar 'ably ,5 4 4 , vr 41 _onarnittee C supported by an influeo- Yt44-tithlta444tjuvati:4lt-,..,.RANtAN AND ADRIATIC JUNC tit, been ~. "'e understand that an arrange ktkl 4 , t1 Adri, pected between the Great Mediterra -441,3.riah 'itnledjstlnet_i.on Railway Company, and the 14 ht, tig out ardiman Company (both formed 1. 414 ti the line from G k li Iv tr t o the ~ enoa), on terms highly t4,:t0,, 1 14 , to th, _ .nareholders of both companies. kik: ope,4o:Pplications already made to the Sar \,t ar e beet 01 ) 11 ,,, t) . the strongest assurances of sup , 411. Pehdin.'!ll,e negotiations to the same 1 ntk ort s MS wit h the n 4 • ••••• 4 ); %Nt ' t 0 , I, -,usi.rlan G o vernment. . 16t,0 qty 1 2, :us" LtITIIIII MUSEUM. --- Whit • ltreciese3j. • Tueeday, 8,133 • Wedwys " *0139' i riday, 10,2421 Total— IMPERI A L PA lAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Mal/ 20. The LORD CnANcitr.ioa took his seat on the Woolsack shortly attar Four o'clock. 'the Marquis of Sligo and Lord Keane took the oaths and their ,eats. THE ROYAL ASSENT. The Roya' As.ent was given to-day by Commission to the Exchequer-bills Bill, the Liverpool Docks Bill, the Bradford Gas Bill, the Southwark Improvement. Bill, the 6141g0w Turnpike Howl Bill, and Several Private Bills. MAYNOOTII. Lord KENYON presented 28 petitions from places its Cheshire arid Somersetshire, and 5 from places in Alunster, against the grant to Mayuooth. Lord HATHERTON presented a petition from the Dis benters in Stafford aeainst the grant to Maynooth—but stating that they thought that all property which had been taken from their Roinan Catholic fellow-subjects should be restored to them. OAKINGHAM CHURCH. The Martinis of NOII3IANBY rose to present the ' petition of which he gave notice yesterday. It was exceedingly lengthy, but as he was fully in pos ses-ion of the facts of the case, lie would take the liberty of stating them to the House. The petition was from the parishioners of Oakinglam, in Berkshire. It appeared from the petition that the population of the parish was upwards of 4 ; 000, and the extent of the parish 8,000 acres. '1 he Dean of Salisbury was rector, patron, and ordi nary of the church. The tithes had been commuted for 1,6001. a year, and on the last renewal of the lease, the dean had received the sum of 2,000/. as the fine, although the an nual rental was only made to appear as 261. The curate's stipend was 1501. a year, of which 40/. came out of the tithes, and 26/. from Queen Anne's 13ounty. Owing to the dean being ordinary, there had been no visitation for several years, and the church had got so much out of repair, that the parishioners were afraid to attend it. An architect had been employed to survey the building, who reported it to be in a state of great dilapidation. A vestry had been summoned, who were unanimous in address ing the ordinary with a request that the repairs might be effected. The ordinary referred them to the lessee, Mr. Jacob—that gentleman employed his own surveyor to go over the building, and he reported that the building was not in that dangerous position which it was stated to be, and he ac cordingly refused to make the repairs. The parishioners upon this applied to a learned civilian for his opinion upon the case. His advice was that the parishioners might repair the nave, and the rector the chancel ; that they might levy a rate, with the con ent of the parishioners, but not without it. They again made a representation to the dean, and on further inquiry, it turned out that the lessee was bound not to restore the chancel, but to keep it in its present state. The worst part of the business was, that a letter lately appeared from the Dean in the pub lic papers, from which any one would suppose that only a partial statement of the case had been laid before him, while he was in possession of the whole of the facts. The parishioners were prevented from repairng the nave, because from ano ther survey of their architect it appeared that if they repaired one part of the building the probability was that the whole would come to the ground. The case was simply this, was it right that 4,000 persons should be deprived of the power of repairing the church by a rate levied by themselves, and placed in that anomalous posi tion, too, by one who was, in his own person, ordinary, patron, and rector. lie would conclude by moving that the petition do lie u on the table. The Earl of HADDINGTON presented a petition against the ➢laynooth Bill. THE GAME-LAWS. Lord CAMPBELL presented several petitions from Dun. fermlirie, ('upar, and Kirkaldy, in the county of Fife, against the game-laws. The petitioners stated certain grievances in the operation of those laws of which they complained. The Mist grievance set forth was the injury inflicted by those laws on the tenant farmers. This, however, he looked ute as a matter of contract between land lords and tenants, and if the latter did not take care to protect themselves from the ravages of game by the provisions of their leases, it was their own fault. A great deal had been said against the landlords en this head. They had been accused of great injustice, and likened to the nobles of France before the revolution. In his opinion, there was not the slightest pretence for such a charge. The tenants had the power of protecting themselves if they would. With regard to the second grievance, he mus t say the petitioners had reason on their side. It was the state of the law with regard to poaching and the killing of game. The country suffered very much from the crime of poaching, from the conflicts between poachers and keepers, and by the murders which, in many instances, had resulted from those con flicts. In 1841 there were 3,000 game convictions. The present year they amounted to nearly 5,000. During the years from 1838 to 1844 there had been 42 instances of homicide from conflicts between poachers and gamekeepers, and 25 convictions for murder during the same time. The evils arising from these laws were not only the individual suffering inflicted upon the violators of the law, but the ill-feeling that was created be- tween rich and pnor, between the members of the aristocracy and the community at large. He should not like to see any alteration of the law that would interfere with the field sports of the gentlemen of this country, but he hoped they would be limited in such a manner as would do away with the existing evils of the system. He hoped that if the Government did not take up the question, that a Noble Lord present (Lord Dacre) would take it up, and introduce a measure to do away with the grievances of which the petitioners complained. Lord DACRE said, that as he had been so pointedly alluded to by the Noble Lord who had just sat down, he would say a few wordtr on the subject to which their Lordships' attention had been called.—( Hear, hear.) True it was that he had moved for a Committee to inquire into the nature and general character of the game laws, and that in the year 1831 he had been.successful in effecting certain altera tions and modifications of them. It would not, however, be proper in him to allude further to the subject at present. He saw with regret the evils to which the Noble Lord (Campbell) so eloquently referred, and he sympathised with every feeling which the Noble Lord expressed in respect to them. It was impossible, however, to put down poaching as long as they had not the sympathies of the people along with them. He had a Bill actually prepared in reference to the game laws, but as there was a Committee at present sitting on the subject in an other House, he, as a matter of delicacy, deferred bringing forward his measure till he knew what decision they would come to on the subject, or what would be the result of their labours. Under these circumstances, he would not at present say more on the matter. Lord HA THERTON never approved of the present system of the game-laws. He thought that the alterations introduced I by the Noble Lord who had just sat down were a very great improvement. But, nevertheless, a great deal still remained to be done. The injustice which still existed was so great as to render it extremely desirable that a measure should be brought forward to suppress it. With respect, fer instance, to the preservation of hares he considered that something should be done. It was, in his estimation, a monstrous and unjust act, and he could never reconcile his mind to such a pernicious portion of the game-laws. The whole evil consisted in the excessive preservation of hares, and entertaining as he did this decided opinion, he had thought it his duty at least to point out the anomaly to their Lordships, trusting that others more competent than himself would adopt and carry out his sugges tions.—( Hear, hear. ) Lord STRADBROKE, while agreeing with much that was urged in opposition to the game-laws, considering that nothing was more correct than some of the arguments advanced by the petitioners, dissented from the observations which fell from the Noble Lord who preceded him, in reference to the preservation of hares. It was his firm belief that the stringency of the laws in that particular arose chiefly from the difficulty in preserving them ; and he could not conceive how an enactment whose tenor was to protect the interests of one branch of the com munity, without the slightest injury to any other, should be deemed either pernicious or unjust. He regretted the circum stance mentioned by his Noble Friend, that thirty-five murders, within ten years, had been committed, arising out of collisions between the destroyers and defenders of game. He could only say that, while being himself a strict preserver of game, on no one occasion had any serious affray occurred on his estate ; and he could not admit that any alteration such as the Noble Lord opposite ( Lord Hatherton) had suggested was either neces sary or advisable. MAYNOOTH. Earl FITZWIL LIAM present ed a petition against the sale of spiritual liquors on the Sabbath. As also one against the so-called endowment of the college of Mayneoth. This latter, the Noble Lord observed, had been presented by Dissenters, who objected to the grant, not en the grounds of its being an endowment of a Roman Catholic establishment, but because they protested against the State conferring gifts for the upholding any Church, whether Protestant or Roman Catholic. The spirit of the petitioners must be understood therefore to be equally as strong against the endowment of the former as of the latter Church. He entirely dissented from the whole scope and view of the petition, both as regarded its hostility to the grant to Maynooth, and its opposition to all ecclesiastical establishments. For his part he looked upon this endowment of Maynooth as a payment of a small instal ment of what was due to the people of Ireland. He did not say the Roman Catholics of Ireland, but the people of Ire land, because the Roman Catholics were in truth the people, and it was a misnomer to designate them in any other way. He would go a step further and express his satisfaction at the further measures which the Ministers had proposed for estab lishing academical institutions in Ireland ; but before he alluded to that subject he would express his belief, and his hope, so far as the Maynooth Bill was concerned, that her Majesty's Minis ters intended to go much further than that. All he would say was, that if the Ministry intended to stop there, they were per sons who did not comprehend the results of the measures which they had proposed ; and as he believed they were perfectly competent to form ajust judgment on their own measures, he gave them credit for the intention of doing a great deal more than they had done, and he was glad to give them credit for such intentions. With regard to the colleges which it had been proposed to establish, he had understood that there were per sons possessing more enthusiasm than religion—persons who mistook names for things—who looked rather to their anticipa tions than to the recollections of their own early life, who had called these colleges Godless colleges. He should be extremely sorry if any establishment in this country could justly be de• signated by such a term. He would take leave to think that those persons who had invented the term had applied it very moneously. He would take leave also to think that those persons, if they had been educated in the academical establishments of this country, could not have any very accurate recollection of the period which they had passed at those establishments. Although it was true that there were theological professors there and theological lectures were delivered, yet he apprehended, with the excep tion perhaps of the two Right Rev, personages he saw sitting on the benches opposite, that there were few among their Lordships who, while they were at Oxford or Cambridge, had attended the lectures of the theological professors. And with respect to their being educated at Oxford, those who had been educated there in later times rnight,:perhaps, recollect not only that they had not attended such lectures, but that the highest authorities in the university, if they had not prohi bited, had strongly recommended the students nut to attend the lectures of the theological professor.—(Hear.) He was not one of those who believed that the establishment of these colleges would lead to the disastrous consequences which these persons predicted. He was not afraid that they would tend to propagate infidelity. Infidelity was much more likely to arise from the hostile spirit which actuated one sect against another, and if they could succeed in educat ing the youths of different sects together—in inducing them to take their enjoyments and recreations together, they would go a long way towards destroying that spirit of intoler ance with which each sect regarded the other. The Noble Lord concluded by presenting the petition. The Marquis of NORM A NI3Y presented a petition from a person of the name of Percival, praying their Lordships to appoint a Committee to inquire into the constitution of the Commission with respect to lunacy. The Noble Lord despaired, at the present period of the session, of the appointment of the Committee. Before, however, he made any motion on the subject, he was anxious to hear what course the Government intends I to pursue on the subject. The Duke of MONTB OSE presented several petitions against the grant to the college of Maynooth. The Earl of KINN AIRD presented similar petitions. The Marquis of BRE AD A LI3 AN E presented forty-four peti tions from different parts of Scotland to the Mille effect. The Duke of RICHMOND presented petitions from Derby praying for relief to t he agricultural classes. forCIBEAUAIONT gave notice that, on Thursday next, he should move for papers with respect to Greece. Lord NOUNTCASHEL postponed the motion of which he had given notice till Friday next, with respect to coroners' inquests. The Earl of ZETLAND presented several petitions against the grant to Maynooth from places in Yorkshire. SOUTHAMPTON DOCKS BILL. On the motion of Lord REDESUALE this Bill was read a second time. CLERKENWELL IMPROVEMENTS. On the motion of I, rd REDESDA LE the Bill for forming a new street to Cierkenwell-green was read a third time. Their Lordships adjourned at half-past Six o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 20. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. The report on the Scottish Central Railway Bill, the Edircburgh and Glasgow Railway Bill, and several other Bills were brought up and agreed to, and the Bills ordered to be engrossed. GRAND JUNCTION RAILWAY BILL. On the motion for the further consideration of the Report on the Grand Junction Raik ay Bill, several pe titions were presented against it. Mr. RICARDO rose to oppose the Bill, and said that it would great;y injure a larg, portion of his constituents without cunferring any benefit upon the district through which it passed. He protested on the part of his constituents against the Bill. He did no.. consider it a project which would in any respect promote their interests. He, therefore, moved that the further consideration of it be postponed till that day six months. Mr. W. PATTEN vindicated the decision of the Com mittee. Mr. lIAWES, as Chairman of the Committee to which the Bill had been referred, defended the decision to which it had come respecting the 13111. Mr. GISBORNE said that the inhabitants of the Potteries were all opposed to this railway. Mr. Alderman COPELAND opposed the Bill, on the ground that it would exclude the formation of a railway more advantageous to the district. Lord G. SOMERSET said that if it had been proved to the Committee that the company who applied for the Bill pos sessed capital enough to carry out the purposes, they would have been much disposed to report in favour of the measure. 11r. F. FRENCH, as a member of the Committee, de fended the report. After a few words from Mr. H. BERKELEY and Mr. RICA RDO, Mr. ENTWISLE addressed the House in support of the report, when he was interrupted by The Usher of the Black Rod, who summoned the House to the House of Lords to attend a Royal Commission. On the SPEAKER'S return, he stated that the House had been to the House of Peers, and had heard her Majesiy's Royal Assent given to several Bills.—(For which see Lords' Report.) _ GRAND JUNCTION RAILWAY. The discussion upon the report of this Bill was then resumed, when Mr. ENT WISLE continued—lf the House did not wish .o have the decisions of their Committees continually brought before them, so prolonging the session to an indefinite period, they would receive the report. After a few words from Mr. Alderman COPELAND, The House divided, when there appeared_ For the motion For the amendment ... Majority in favour of the amendment ---133 Lord HOWICK thought it incumbent on the Government to introduce some regulations with reference to the charges upon railways. In some cases charges were very high, and in others very low. His opinion was, that in some eases higher charges were established than were consistent with the welfare of the public. This House ought at once to make these alterations, as they could not be made in the House of Lords. In one railway 3d. a ton per mile was charged upon coals, in another only Id., sometimes only 1 , 4 d. where the competition was great. On many railways the charges for passengers were 3d., 2d., and 1 1 / 2 d. a mile in the first, second, and third class. Now these charges were too high. With respect to the old companies, he believed there was no redress to be had ; but he belived the object of the Govern ment in introducing this new standing order was to establish a new rate of charges in the dif ferent conveyances of the new companies, and reduce those that should be doemed to be unreasonable. This was a ques tion of great importance, and before the present railway Bills were read a third time he trusted the Government would take up the question. Sir G. CLERK concurred with the Noble Lord, that it would be a very proper question for the consideration of the Board of Trade ; but beyond a suggestion he did not think they should have anything to do with it. Mr. L A BOUCHERE did think the Board of Trade should direct their serious attention to this question with a view to establish some regularity as well as moderation in the charges.--The Bill was then agreed to. Mr. HINDLEY moved that the petition of Mr. Joseph Higginbottom, clerk of the Commissioners of Police of Ashton under-Lyne (presented 19th May), be referred to the Com mitten on the Manchester and Salford Waterworks Bill; and that it be an instruction to the Committee to permit the peti tioner to be heard by counsel or agent. Mr. GREENE resisted the motion, after which it was withdrawn. The London, Bedford and Birmingham Railway Bill was then read a second time. Mr. R. PALMER brought up the report on the Chester and Holyhead Railway Bill. Sir HOWARD DOUGLAS presented a petition in favour of the Wexford and Carlow Railway Bill. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE moved that it be an instruction to the Committee on the Tottenham and Farringdon-street Ex tension Railway Bill, in the matter of the petition from Clerk enwell, to hear the petitioners against the said Bill. The rea son he made that motion was, because there was an order by which the Committee could not hear any petition that had not been presented at least three days before the striking of the Committee ; but in the present case it would have been im possible that the petition could have been presented in that time, owing to the peculiar circumstances. Indeed, he felt it would be almost unnecessary to make this application at all, but he did so because he had heard that another Committee had refused to hear a petition circumstanced as the one mentioned in his motion. The motion was then agreed to. NORTH WALES RAILWAY. Mr. FITZROY KELLY presented a petition against the North Wales Mineral Railway Bill. The Belfast Lough Drainage Bill was read a second time. Mr. WARD presented a petition against the Sheffield and Lincoln line of railway. Mr. HUME gave notice that he should, on that day fort night, bring the subject of the services of Sir Henry Pottinger before the House. command of the Temporary Brigade in the sery ice of the King of Ourle, and including the letter of the Go\ rernor-Gcneral. (Lord Wellesley) to Saadut Ali Khan, Nabob if Lucknow. Mr. HUME, in the absence of Mr. Williarit, moved for a return of the number of persons belonging to tier Ecclesias tical Establishment of the Church of England, and all other religious denominations, maintained by grant of public money, in each of the colonies, and the territories of the. East India Company, stating the amount paid out of the revenue of the United Kingdom, and from the Colonial funds, and also the rank of each person, where stationed, the amount of fixed salary, allowances, and all other expenses of each, and the total expenses of each colony, presidency, and dependency for such establishment, in sterling money, so as to exhibit the whole amount paid for the support of religion of every deno mination, in each year from 1.839 to 184.4, both inclusive. Return of all grants of public money for the support of all re ligious denominations in the flatted Kingdom and elsewhere, except the Colonies, including expenses of visitations and ex cursions of bishops, archdeacons, and clergy, or connected with foreign embassies and missions ; distinguishing the amount received by each denomination:—Also, for building and repair of churches and chapels, payment of arrears of tithes, expenses of the commissioners for building new churches, commutation of tithes, and all other ecclesiastical purposes, for each year from 1830 to 1844, both inclusive. Return of the amount of all grants of public money for the building and repair of churches and chapels in the United Kingdom, stating the amount received by each reli gious denomination, from the year 1800 to 1829, both inclu sive, which was agreed to. UNION WORKHOUSES. • Colonel ROLLESTON moved for a return of the number of children between the ages of nine and sixteen, both years in clusive, at present maintained within the several union work houses in England and Wales, distinguishing the males from the females ; together with the number of each sex apprenticed out of the said union workhouses since the passing and subject to the provisions of the late Poor-law Amendment Act, speci fying their ages sad the trades to which they are apprenticed, which was agreed to. PRINTED PAPERS—PRIVILEGE- The SOLICITOR-GENERAL moved the appointment of the following members to the Select Committee on printed papers :—Sir R. Peel, Lord John Russell, Mr. Solicitor-Ge neral, Sir Thomas Wilde, Mr. Attorney-General for Ireland, Sir George Grey, Sir Robert Harry Inglis, Mr. Francis Ba ring, Viscount Mahon, Mr. Warburton, Mr. Wynn, Mr. Ber nal, Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Pigot, and the Lord Advocate. Mr. DUNCOMBE said the last time the subject of Privi lege was before the Queen's Bench, the Solicitor-General. ( Sir Wm. Follett) expressed his strong opinion that the decision would be against the House, and the Hon. Member for Wor cester at that time asked this question—Supposing the decision of the Queen's Bench was not in favour of the House, what would come ? Igo answer was given to that. It now appeared that a decision against the House had been come to by that Court in an action biaaught against the Sergeant-at-Arms, and it was now the intention of the House to refer the matter to a Committee up stairs- What could that Committee possibly do ? After the decision of the Queen's Bench, in the former case, the Government were obliged to bring in a J3ill to legalise the publications of that House. The question was discussed before Committees of that House, and they reported upon it. Now it was proposed to refer the subject to another Committee. Why it was only de laying the evil. He was opposed to referring the question of privilege to another Committee. He wished to ask whether he wns not correct in stating that another action had been brought against the Sergeant-at-Arms? The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said the Han. Member was perfectly correct in stating that :another action had been brought by a person named Pearce. It would be impossible to say what form the action might assume. He thought that at the present moment the House was not prepared to discuss the question, and it was necessary that a Committee should be ap pointed to inquire into and report upon it. He would suggest that the Committee should not point out any mode of proceed ing, but simply c;:i.sder the question. After a few words from Mr. HUME, who was understood to oppose the motion, Sir ROBERT PEEL said he understood that the Sergeant at - Arms had received notice of action. When he received the writ, the House would then have to consider what course it would pursue. The report of the Committee would not in fluence the decision of the House. He must say that the House could not take any course without having the whole facts of the case before it. He thought a Committee might materially assist the House in its judgment on this important matter. The Hon, Member (Mr. buncombe), he thought, had not understood him. Lord Denman had said, in the House of Lords, that on a point of privilege, not on a technical point, the Queen's Bench would come to a decision adverse to the House. Mr. WARD said the Lord Chief Justice, i n d e li ver i ng judgment, had laid down his opinions on this very doubtful point, which he thought might assist the Committee in their labours. Sir R. INGLIS was in favour of the motion. Lord J. RUSSELL said, for his own part he must confess that on hearing the motion made last night, he thought it ad visable that the House, before coming to a decision, should have all the facts before it, and he was now of the same opinion. The question was a most important one, and it was necessary that a Committee should be appointed to investi- gate it. The motion was then agreed to. TRINITY COLLEGE, DUBLIN. Mr. H. BERKELEY said that he had a notice on the paper with relation to the Insolvency Act. He wished to know whether, if he postponed his motion till Thursday next, the Right Hon. Baronet would make a house.—( Laughter. ) Sir R. PEEL said that it had not been usual, of late years, to keep the 29th of May as a holiday, and he thought the present state of business would not allow it this sessiun. Mr. B. OSBORNE gave notice that, on the Speaker's leaving the chair on the Irish Colleges Bill, he should move an instruction to the Committee regulating the admission to honours in the Universities. Mr. S. CRAWFORD gave notice that, on the vote being proposed for the grant of money to the Presbyterians of Ireland, he should move that such vote be rejected. REPEAL AGITATION IN IRELAND. Mr. FERRAND said he had a question to put to the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home De partment. He had not given notice of the question, but if the Right Hon. Baronet required it he would do so. The ques tion had reference to the following subject :—He perceived by a recent number of a Dublin newspaper, the Freeman's Journal, that a repeal demonstration was about to take place on the Hill of Tara, and the programme of the demonstration was stated in the following words :—(Here the Hon Member read the advertisement, stating the order in which their meeting was to assemble and then continued by saying)—His question was, whether her Majesty's Government were prepared in the year 1845, as they were in 1843, to assert the majesty of the law, or were they to permit Mr. O'Connell and the repealers to trample the law under loot? Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that though the Honourable Member had not given him notice of his intention to ask the question, he would, however, answer it.—( Hear hear.) He was aware that a popular assembly such as the Hon. Gentleman had mentioned was about to take place in Ireland, and he begged to say that the Lord Lieutenant had re ceived directions to take care that the peace of that country should be preserved on that occasion.—( Hear, hear.) CALL OF THE HOUSE. Mr. HUME said he had a question to ask. He had a notice on the paper for the :22.d, for a call of the House, and he wished to know if that notice could be brought on on that day? The SPEAKER said the Hon. Member's notice would come on in the order in which it was placed, like all other notices. Sir R. PEEL hoped that Hon. Members would waive their right of precedence in order not to cause the postponement of the Maynooth Bill.—( Hear, hear.) He understood that the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton had consented to waive his right, and he did hope that other Hon. Members would do the same, in order to facilitate the public business.—(Hear.) NEW ZEALAND. Captain ROUS said, the last time he addressed the House on the subject of New Zealand he brought certain charges against the New Zealand Company. Now he considered, that if he did not prove the assertions he had made at the earliest opportunity, Hon. Gentlemen might consider that they were groundless. He did not wish to interrupt the business of the House, but he was anxious to express his sentiments on the subject of New Zealand. Sir ROBERT PEEL repeated, that he understood that the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton and the Hon. Member for Westminster (Captain Rous) would not bring on their motions to-night. He (Sir Robert Peel) very much doubted whether Hon. Members had come down to the House prepared to take a part in the discussion. Mr. C. BULLER said it was necessary to state that the New Zealand Company were most anxious to have the charges made against them in that Huuse fairly discussed. He must, however, tell the Hon. and Gallant Captain that he was not then prepared to discuss the question which he was desirous to bring before the House--namely, the ques ti on t h at " t h e treaty of Waitangi, confirmed and approved by her Majesty, ought to he maintained with the strictest integrity." When he (Mr. C. Buller) came down to the House he had not the slightest impression that the Hon. and G a ll ant C apta i n meant to take an opportunity of bringing forward any charges which he had to make against the Company. He (Captain Rous) had not told the precise nature of those charges. He would, under these circumstances, tell the Hon. and Gallant Captain that he was exceedingly glad that he was prepared to redeem the pledge which he had given to substantiate the accusations he had brought against the Company. As he had not come down at all prepared to enter into a debate on the subject, he hoped that the Hon. Member would adopt the course that had been pointed out, and withdraw his motion. Captain ROUS said he had made two distinct charges against the New Zealand Company, which could not be mis understood. If he had been one of the directors, he would not have rested till they had been fully entered into, and would have been happy if any Hon. Member had brought for ward the subject which might give them an opp or t un i ty of discussing the whole question respecting the New Zealand Company. It was more for the sake of the Comp any t h an anything else, that he was desirous of bringing the question forward. However, he should be ready at all times and sea sons to bring forward the motion. If the directors w ere dis posed to remain comfortable for the next six weeks under the aspersions he had cast upon them—( A laugh)--he, for one, should not object to it. Mr. M. GIBSON deprecated the rule that an adjourned de bate should take precedence of other motions. Much incon venience would arise if the House were to adopt this cou rse. As far as he was concerned, he should like to hear this New Zealand question better than the Maynooth business. The Hon. Member then withdrew his motion. Mr. OSBORNE moved for a return of all monies derived from rents of college lands, endowments, bequests, fees on matriculations, and taking of degrees; specifying the amount of income paid therefrom to the senior and junior Fellows, professors, scholars, and other officers of Trinity College, Dublin. Sir T. FREMANTLE requested the Hon. Member to post pone the motion to a future day. Mr. OSBORNE declined doing so. If he postponed it he would never get another day during the session. -.4 A laugh. ) Sir G. GREY (as we understood) recommended the with drawal of the motion. Mr. OSBORNE would press the motion to a division. He wished to see Trinity College, Dublin, thrown open to all religious denominations of his fellow subjects, and he thought it desirable that they should know what the salaries of the fellows there were. It was a corporate body, and why should it be closed against inquiry ? Mr. WARD seconded the motion. Mr. HUME hoped there would be no opposition to the motion. They were called upon to vote away a large suns of public money, and he considered the inquiry proposed would be an exceedingly appropriate preliminary to that vote. Mr. SHAW opposed the motion. The property of the College was private property.—(oh, oh.) He saw no reason why the House should enter into the consideration of such a question. There was no necessity for it. Her Majesty's Government had opposed a similar motion last year, and he hoped they would do so now. Mr. WARD said what her Majesty's Government had done last year was no precedent for what they would do this. Mr. WARBURTON supported the motion, and thought the inquiry which had been instituted by a Commission into public charities and places of education in England and Wales, formed a sufficient ground in point of precedent for the inquiry proposed. Sir T. FREMANTLE thought that precedent justified a course the very reverse of that which the Hon. Member for Kendal advocated, for the Commission in question, though it touched upon other places of education, did not at all refer to the English Universities. The property of Trinity College had certainly been considered in the light of private property, and he hoped the House would not accede to the motion. Mr. EWART thought that the reason why inquiry had not been instituted into the Universities by this Commission. was because the House considered that a return to that House of their revenues would be a matter of course. Mr. SHEIL said the property of Trinity College consisted partly of a grant of Bishop Baldwin, but the greater part of its property was conferred on it by Queen Elizabeth, the estate of the Earl of Desmond, which had been forfeited. These estates were mostly situated in the county of Kerry. Why should not inquiry be extended to the revenues of Trinity College when the property, or at least so large a portion of it, was a gift of the Crown ?—( Hear, hear.) On a former occasion he had stated that the senior fellows of Trinity College, Dublin, had 2,0001. a year each—he was con tradicted by the Hon. Gentleman the Recorder, who said that it was an exaggeration. His (Mr. Shell's) belief was that many of these fellowships were almost sinecures, and being of that opinion, and in order to prevent the possibility of his being charged with exaggeration on any future occasion when he mentioned the revenues of Trinity College, he would vote for the present motion. Sir R. INGLIS opposed the motion. The House had no right to interfere with what might be considered private pro perty, unless some abuse was alleged. None was alleged here, therefore there was no ground for inquiry. Mr. BELLEW said that there was no allegation of abuse as regarded the Scotch Universities, but inquiry had been insti tuted notwithstanding. Mr. MILNER GIBSON supported the motion. The Government were not willing to allow the principle of full in quiry to be carried out, they restricted it as they did that of free trade, forbidding its extension to corn and sugar. the showed revenues there o f must Trinity ibneit something Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE h a d h ear d no goo d reason why inquirystited qy. not it b s ein con stitution, when its defenders we re so anxious to avoid in uir Sir R. PEEL said the Hon. Member for Dumfries had as signed no reason why Trinity College, Dublin, should be ex empted from the rule in other cases. He did not remember yCollege e shou rotten ld in any case in which the House had by its own authority called upon Oxford and Cambridge universities for returns of their revenue. if the rule were applicable to English universities, there was a case in point ; but he very much doubted whether the House had ever called upon any English college to furnish it with returns of its revenues. Mr. WA RD—Oxford. Sir R. PEEL—That was by royal commission.— ( Hear, hear.) He had voted last session against a similar motion, and would most certainly oppose this on the same ground. Lord JOHN RUSSELL was far from saying that in every case they ought to order returns of the revenues of universities, but he conceived that a case had been made out for returns in this instance. The House was about voting a considerable sum for academical education in Ireland, and a statement had been made by his Right Hon. Friend that the fellows of Trinity College had 2, 0 00/. a year whilst their si tuations were almost sinecures, or at least they had a very light duty to perform. He thought these circumstances formed suffi cient reason for acceding to the motion. If any other mode for attaining this object had been suggested by the Minister of the Crown he would have been willing that the present motion should fall to the ground, even though that mode in volved delay, but in the absence of any such proposal, and after the speech of the Hon. Baronet the Secretary for Ireland, he felt that he had no alternative. Mr. COLQUHOUN opposed the motion. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the Hon. Member who had just sat down had misrepresented him respecting the applica tion of his argument in favour of the proposed measure for the endowment of colleges in Ireland; and also in reference to the Right Hon. Member for Dungarvon (Mr. Sheil) in regard to fellowships. Mr. BRIGHT said if there was nothing to conceal, why did the Government oppose the motion, or throw obstacles in the way of ti,e Hon. Member for Wycombe? Should they persist in doing so, he should feel justified in voting against every stage of the proposed Bill for the endowment of additional col leges in Ireland. This he conceived to be a proper course, so long as they refused to give information respecting the manner in which the funds were at present applied.—( Hear, hear. ) Mr. OSBORNE made a few observation s in reply, intimat ing that unless the Government gave a pledge to institute the necessary inquiry, he should certainly divide the House. Strangers were then ordered to withdrarv, and the House di vided, when there appeared— For the motion .......................... 53 Againstit ........................... 82 Majority against the motion ...... 29 Mr. COLQUHOUN presented a petition from a number of delegates at present in London, representing 30 f places, 120 of them Parliamentary boroughs, against the Maynooth grant. Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition, signed by 538 dele gates and deputies, assembled to-day at Crosby-hall, and re presenting the great body of the Dissenters, against the May nooth Bill. Mr. Ward, Mr. Bright, Mr. Sharman Crawford, Sir G. Grey, Mr. Muntz, Mr. Dawson, arid several other Hon. Members, also presented a great number of petitions to the same effect. THE COLONIES—CEYLON, Mr. TUFFNELL postponed his motion fora copy of the dispatch from the Secretary of State for the Colonies, referred to in the minute of the Governor of Ceylon, dated the 14th of February, 1845. Mr. WATSON postponed his motion for "copies of all correspondence between the East India Company and their residents at Lucknow, from the year 1775 to 1801 inclusive, respecting the appointment of Captain Robert Frith to the Tii E SU N, LONDON, WEDNESDA t^MORNING, MAY 21, 1815. Several petiti ons i n f avour of the Bill were also presented by i Ron Members. t MAYNOOTH BILL—ADJOURNED DEBATE. s; Sir H. W. BARRON said that several of the petitioners who Ii had addressed that House had stated that all State endowments were opposed to sound religion. But when he saw nine f' out of ten opponents to the Bill supporting the endowment of religion, considering it useful, valuable and necessary to have the Church supported by the State, he was surprised to ob serve this large body taking advantage of a cry raised on a totally different principle. He repeated he was surprised that they should condescenl to take advantage of this most im proper cry, and coming down to the House, tell her Majesty's Ministers that their measures were not in accordance with the feelings of the country. An HoN. MEMBER here moved that the House be counted, but more than sixty Members haring been found present, Sir H. W. BA RRON resumed. He had read the petitions of the Dissenters who were adverse to the Government mea sure, and if their wishes and prayers meant anything, it was not that an endowment of Alaynooth was objectionable, but that, being obnoxious to the principle of the State en dowing any religion whatsoever, they entered their oppo sition on the broad and intelligible grounds of the inexpediency of the State interfering with the Church. What, then, be came of the opposition of the Member for Oxford, and that of the Member for Kent, who now set themselves forward as the champions of the Church Establishment in this country, yet whose grounds of opposition were diametrically opposite to those of their associates? The latter would decide equally against the Church Establishment in England, rgainst the Church Establishment in Ireland, and against the Church Establishment of Scotland; and if an appeal were to be made, it should be made on those grounds alone. Their language had been, "We conscientiously object to the endowment of any religious institution whatsoever," and the persons who had stated this so emphatically were not an isolated or particular body, an exception to the great majority, but the selec'ed minis ters of the entire dissenting body of the country. But there were reasons, and cogent unanswerable reasons for the endow relent of the College of Maynooth. First, it had been sanc tioned by the Irish Parliament; secondly, it had been sanc tioned by the English Parliament for a period of forty-five years ; and, thirdly, the great body of the Catholics of Ireland were keenly alive to the fact, that it was by English force, by English violence, a n d b y E ngl i sh bayonets that they had I;sen deprived of the endowments of their Church. Let those en dowments be restored and then might the present paltry pittance be withheld, but if those endowments were still kept, and kept for Protestant purposes, the Irish Catholics had a right to claim from the Parliament of England an equi valent. If a body were deprived of an indefeasible right by force, was it not natural that that injured body should seek re stitution or redress? and yet the Irish Roman Catholics had never, be it remembered, come and asked for the grant. Yet when acceded, he felt confident that it would be accepted by the great body of the hierarchy and clergy of Ireland as an honest and just concession. Accepted in a spirit of peace, aye, even of thankfulness, and thankfulness more than was commensurate with the amount. If all religions were to be cast upon their own resources, as in the case of the Dissenters, then let the Irish Catholics at least have that property returned to them. No similar claim could be made out on behalf of the Dissenters of England. They had never been deprived of their rightful endowments, nor robbed of their first possessions. And to think the former would be satisfied without redress, was to suppose an impossibility. The Irish character was not different from the English. Let them suppose that the contemplated expedition of Napoleon upon England had succeeded—that he had overrun, ravaged, vanquished the country, then spoliated the Church, and handed it over to his soldiery or citizens, how would the English have acted then ? Oh, they would have acted like men, and would have cried " restitution i 3 due, and sooner or later it must be made." Such had been the Irish feeling, such their conduct, such their first avowal. The se cond objection to the measure was, however, on religious grounds, but in a country like this, professing different religions, and greatly divided in itself, it was hardly becoming to raise such an intolerant and anomalous outcry. In England they had established the religion of the majority of the people ; in Scotland they had established the religion of the majority of the people ; in Ireland they had established the religion of the mincrity of the people. Was that not an insult, a marked, a gratuitous insult ? and was it not natural that dis content and acerbity, and animosity, should be the feelings of a people so unjustly treated ? A statement had been put forth, which he did not believe, that the majority of the English people were opposed to the grant, but those that did resist it on religious grounds had clamoured loudly and unworthily of " Catholicism" and " Jesuitism." Let it be remembered that it was the Jesuit who had first spread the doctrines of Chris tianity, who, daring the terrors of climate and of barbarism, had traversed the most repulsive regions, and taught the pure doctrines of his religion to the heathen. And, as to Catholicism, it was the religion of the ancestors of every Member of that House : it was the religion of those who had fought for and obtained that source of their liberties and their rights—Magna Charter. Did they forget what they owed the Catholic ? It was he that had achieved the victories of Cressy, Poictiers, and Agincourt; it was he that had founded the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge ; it was he that had created that glorious temple whose walls approximated their own. He made these remarks not to bring on polemical discussion, but because he had been provoked to it, and he should have felt himself unworthy of his seat in that House had he not protested against the language of the opponents of the measure towards the Catholic religion gene rally. He considered that no Protestant in that House would object to subscribe to all the essential doctrines of faith to which the Catholic gave his assent. Every one of those doctrines was maintained by some of the divines of the Established Church, and the religious opinions that were particularly ascribed to the Roman Catholics might be found especially insisted on in the Book of Common Prayer. As to mere matters of form and ceremonial, the two parties might differ; but what had these distinctions to do with religion ? Nothing whatever, and this opinion he was prepared to maintain in the presence of divines belonging to both churches. It was the result of biassed opi nions and most unfounded prejudices, that prevented this opinion from being universally entertained. He be lieved, as an honest mar,, that in essentials there was little or no difference between their doctrines. It was true that if Dissenting Ministers, and others ignorant of real facts, were asked to give a description of the Roman Catholic religion, they would tell you that it was a most monstrous and fright , ful doctrine, filled with superstitious errors and every abomi • nation ; but they had obtained their knowledge of the religion from their nursery-maids, and had retailed it, highly exagge rated, to their associates as the truth. The publication of these foolish notions had done more to shake the attachment of the Irish people to the Government of the land than all the contumely and persecution that had been heaped on them for centuries past. He believed the wrong ideas entertained of the Catholic religion constituted a most mischievous and dan gerous condition ; and he would implore Hon. Gentlemen to consider whether they would array themselves or not against the best interests and peace of the country. The proposed grant to Maynooth was not to be considered merely as a gift of so much money, but it ought to be taken as the expression of a kindly feeling towards the Irish people ; and it would tend to assure them that whatever had been done in bygone times, the Government were now willing to atone for the mistakes which had been formerly committed. He would request Hon. Members not to regard this grant in the light of a religious discussion. From many years' anxious consideration he would fearlessly assert, that the differences which had divided the re ligions of England and Ireland were of such small moment, that, from their trivial nature, they could not much longer exist. The House differed as to the subject of the grant to Maynooth, but he would beseech it to be unanimous in giving this satisfaction to the people of Ireland, so that they might see that the large majority of Englishmen were disposed to act kindly towards them. The proposed measure would give greater satisfaction to Ireland than any scheme that had ever been Contrived. The hopes of the people had been raised to the highest pitch of excitement in the expectation of receiving the boon, and he trusted from the bottom of his heart that the value of the gift might not be diminished by its being awarded by a small and unwilling majority. Mr. LAWSON said he considered that matters of a reli gious tendency ought not to be discussed in that House. Hav ing briefly stated this opinion he would proceed to offer a few observations on what had fallen from the Hon. Baronet with regard to what he considered the restoration of property to the Roman Catholics. This refunding would meet with his most decided opposition, and he had voted against it on the Appro priation Clause. He considered the Church of Ireland as an integral portion of the Church of England—of course he al luded to the Protestant Church of Ireland—and the two churches were united. On these grounds, and not from any hostile motives, he was resolved to oppose the giving of church property to the Catholics. He would now proceed to the con sideration of the Bill for the endowment of Maynooth. -He had all along voted against the bestowing of the small amount hi therto given to the college, but he should experience great sa tisfaction in supporting the measure for bestowing a larger grant for the purposes of education. He had on a former occasion voted in favour of the education Bill because he considered that, under the peculiar position in which the country stood, some improved means for preventing the spread of ignorance and superstition was very much needed. He would not object to give the pi oposed grant to Maynooth, or a larger sum, if it was necessary; but he could not perceive how the bestowal of a greater amount could re solve his objections to the purposes to which it would be de voted. He would now refer to what the Honourable Baronet had stated with respect to the alliance between Dissenters and the Church. It was true he had presented petitions from Dissenters ; and he considered that the general feeling of his constituents was decidedly opposed to the grant. In case the Maynooth Bill were passed he would prefer that scholarships should be founded, so that there might be a fair field opened for genius, and no difference in religious belief should prevent a young man from earning the reward of learning. He would say, let truth prevail, and there was nothing unfair in that view of the case. It ap peared to him that if superstitious doctrines were to be preached, let there be a corresponding facility opened for re butting them in fair argument, and he was persuaded that no man who was anxious for truth could object to this course. It had been stated that the popular feeling was not against this Bill; he would, however, believe that the feeling throughout the country was strongly opposed to the grant, and many of the arguments brought forward in its support were in direct contradiction one to the other. The Hon. H. CHOLMONDELEY considered that the measure would be attended with some risk, but the danger to be apprehended was not so urgent or so great, as to hinder the expectation that great good would result. For this reason he was determined to give his support to the third reading of the Bill. He would give his vote, not for the purpose of swelling the majority, or supporting the Government, but from the pure conviction that no harm would result, and that it would greatly benefit the Irish people. He had listened attentively to the arguments that had been urged for and against the measure, but he had heard nothing that could tend to shake his original opinion on the subject. He was not one of those who were inclined to under-estimate either the Protestant or the Catholic religion. He was by birth and education a Protestant, but he was not, for that reason, inclined to oppose the claims of the Catholic, and neither did he think that by supporting the measure he would tend in any degree to promote the Roman Catholic religion. He considered that, by supporting this measure, he was doing no more than an act of justice to Ireland. It was not the of speeches of the publi c orators —i t was not t h e d ec l amat i on Mr. O'Connell. H e did no t b e li eve th a t the proceed ings in the Conciliation Hall had anything to do with the measure.—(C r i es o f ". H ear , h ear .") He did not think that any grant should be made to the claims of agitation. ih The Government had n o t acted on this subject simply with a a view to popularity. They had acted with a view to conci liate the people of Ireland, and he did not think that the grant would in any way tend to promote the interests of the Catholic Church, otherwise than by elevating the priests of that Church in the social scale. As the Hen. Member Newark had stated in one of of eearliest speecheso i nth b i e s rfor sub ject, the religious portion do fn_e Hear, hear.) They had subject tight to be left altogether out of the question.—( nothing whatever to with the doctrines of that Church. That House was in his opinion one of the very last places in the world in which a religious discussion ought to arise. They could not now look upon this as a religious question at all. The question was simply this. How were Hon. Memb ers to look upon the state of the country and to consider the claims of Maynooth? They had two ways, either to disregard the claims of that college, and, defectitie as that establishment was, leave it to pursue its own course, or they were, on the other hand, to increase the grant, and endeavour to amend it. There was, indeed, another course, and that was to discontinue the grant altogether. With any man who would counsel the discon tinuance of the grant he could not speak—he was compelled to join issue with him, But what would be the consequence ,of • - ---- n - - ---- -- -- the discontinu ance o f th e grant ? Th ey would not do away , Irish people, the Roman Catholic religion eh" ald be cllerishe • with the C o ll ege -th ey wou ld not, in any way, impede the and supported-not tolerated. " )-( Hear, heat )He (M r . ordination of th e R oman C at h o li c pr i ests, but they would take Gaskell) had the greatest respect for thoseo opposed this wE the College f r o m un d er th e contro l of Government, and de- measure ; but he was astonished how Ho „urable Mena price it of th a t w h o l esome regu l at i on which this grant cm- ' hers who supported the measure for the et nailer sum , powered the Gov er n men t, if t h ey c h ose it, to impose. The ' could oppose th e p resen t measure , an d s till re t a i n .their seat s . question, th ere f ore , i n hi s m i n d , resolved itself into this-were -( Hear. hear. ) This was a Bill which did not Ca- "fain any man, or they, end how were th e y, to amen d i t ? li e was quite pre- proposition that did violence to the conscience of an pared to ame n d it i n th e way proposed by the Government, dep r i ve d th e E sta bli s h e d Ch urc h o f any of i ts existit I; Pritie and by an increased gran t t o th e C o ll ege of Maynooth to give I loges or i mmun iti es .-( H ear, h ear. ) O n these groi. Aids he a better education to the students, and a higher position in would support the Government measure, and he. trust 'ed it the social scale to the Roman Catholic priesthood. He believed , would be carried by a large majority of that Hollse.-(th e ‘h.PO this to be an excellent- a conc ili a t ory measure for I reland. It Mr. BELLEW rose, as a Catholic Member, to express Ira ' was some repayment for the lon g arrear o f i n j us ti ce w hi c h opinioe upon the Church ques ti on . H r t h oug h t spoliation' le she had endured' from this country. Hon. Gentlemen should ' took place at the time of the Reformation ; but he thought ' recollect that this was not now an exclusively Protestant Par- that it would be equal spoliation to take the property from the liament, and that they must legislate as if they had something Catholics now. He was, however, of opinion that in a very to do with the social condition of the great portion of the Irish l few years a very different opinion would be held in Ireland. people. He would take the liberty to read an expression of He thought this measure, therefore, was a very politic one. that late great philosopher and philanthropist, Dr. Arnold. and he was convinced that it would be duly appreciated That great man had said, that " let the difference between by the people of Ireland, as it would lead them Christian and anti. Christian be as wide as it will, but let the to believe their religion was cared for by the State. difference between Christian and Christian sink into nothin , g." l Whatever the religion of a people might be, Mahomedan or -( Cheers.) They hat! also to consider the arguments against Jewish, so long as they behaved loyally and peaceably, they had the rejection of the measure on the other side. If a right to be dealt with in the same manner as the members of this measure warerrejected, not only would the vote turn out the Established Church. After all that was said of crime icy the present Ministry, but also every Ministry that should sue , - Ireland it was not so prevalent as in England, and the way to teed it, which was not pledged to the grant to Maynooth. ! diminish it still more, and to restore permanent tranquillity,. They would lay a palsying hand on the trade and commerce of was by introducing measures of a humane and conciliatory na-• Ireland-they would prevent the influx of capital-they would . tore like the present, which, after all the obloquy it had en-- prevent the formation of railroads, those great means of civili- , countered, would, he felt confident, be considered as a most ac zation and improvement. The feelings of the Irish people ' ceptable boon by the great body of the people of Ireland. would be estranged, and their confidence in th e goo d will of When the Hon. Member sat dean there were loud cries of this country would be lost. But the granting of this measure j " Divide," and for at least a minute no Hon. Member rose. would have a double effect, it would be a blessing to tho se who Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and they were about gave and to those who received its benefits-the country which doing so-many had actually left thealleries:, and there was a bestowed, and th e coun t r y on w h om t h e gift was bestowed',. rush of M em b ers t o t h e b ar, when- g would be alike sharers in the advantages. As he had before I Sir R. INGLIS rose amid loud and renewed cries of asserted, it would not add one Roman Catholic to the ranks of " Divide." When the tumult ceased, the Hon. Baronet pro that church. Conversions were not to be made without but . seeded to say that, in the course of a hundred hours' debate, nose within the Church, and he, as a Protestant oppo s ed t o th e ! a single point had remained undiscussed ; and having already , doctrines of the Roman Catholic Ch urc h, felt b oun d t o asser t experienced the indulgence of the House, he would not -again that such would be the case. This grant would do no injury have trespassed upon it, did he not think, when the cry for a to the Protestant religion in Ireland. All the instances they division arose, that it would be unbecoming in him, having had heard of came from within the Church. Luther was a taken so strong a part from the beginning, to allow a final Catholic when he began the reformation.-( Cheers. ) Be- 4 decision to be corne to without endeavouring, for the last time, lieving, therefore, that this measure would be a healing mea- to recal the attention of the House to some of the views, not, sure, and that it was calculated to be of service to the ptehaps, new views, but some to which their attention had country, he should give his earnest support to the measure. I been' already directed. It was no longer contended, as in the Mr. FFOLLIOT I' said that as he had voted against the early part of the debate, that they were bound by compact to smaller sum he had no difficulty in voting against the larger mainnein or increase the gra n t t o M aynoot h . Af ter t h e de grant. He sh ou ld o pp ose i t , b ecause he believed that it was claratiore of his Right Hon. Friend at the commence opposed to the feelings of the great body of the Protestants in ment of this discussion, which gave, as an alternative, that Ireland, and calculated to do an injury to the Protestant they should abandon the education of the Roman Catholic Church. He had himself, only the other evening, presented a clergy altogether, it would be no longer contended that they petition from the county of 1 yrone, which. was signed, he were bound by compact. But by whatever they were ;,bound believed, by more persons than all the signatures represented -by charity, as the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of which were attached to the petitions in favour of the 1 State for the Home Department said, or by fear, as the Hon. grant. The letter which he had received for the presentation : Member fee Marylebone stated, or by sympathy with the eeli of that petition spoke, Le believed, the sentiments of the Pro- gloms feelings of the majority of the Irish people, as other Hon. testant inhabitants of Ireland, and it strongly repudiated any Members had insinuated-it was quite clear that they w are adoption of the principle which this grant included. It was under no moral obligation to educate the Cathohic well known that the College of Mayneuth had been under the priesthood. Looking upon the measure either in the light tlf I management of the Jesuits. That it was so in the year 1816, I policy, justice, or expediency, he could not change the opinion's but if it could be proved to him that an alteration had been' which he had already exp resse d-th a t i t wou ld a li enate t h e made since that tim e h e s h ou ld not have had such an ob;ectien Protestant mind, and would totally fail to conciliate the Roman to the vote. If it could be proved to him that the students had I Catholics of Ireland. lie had been told that he had no right been led to appreciate the sacredness of an oath, he should feel to Assume that the majority of the Protestants of the empiee less reluctance than he now entertained against the vote, b u t were opposed to this measure, and that its opponents chiefly' he could not feel this, and he should therefore support the c :mierised Dissenters, and a few members of the amendment of the Hon. Member for Dorsetshire. Established Church. He was further assured that it Sir D. NORREYS said that he certainly should support would be acceptable to the Irish Roman Catholic people, but the third reading. The Ministry heel done what they thought it did not seem as if their leaders had been concinated by it, right, and it was at least in bad taste to rake up, as tke last though. pel'haPst the Hon. Members for Dundalk, Dungarvon, speaker had done, all the exuvim of noisome reports and and Waterftnrd might approve of it.-( Hear, hear.) slanders. They had now sown the seed, and they would soon He repeated his belief that the great mass of reap the harvest. They proposed to insure this grant on the the Protestant people were directly opposed to the measure, same security as the Civil List, the public establishments of and that it was far from conciliating any measurable the country, the army and the navy, rested, and the country proposition of the Catholics of Ireland, who, :nstead of re would be grateful to them for the way in which the grant had ceiving it as a boon, would reject it as an insult.--(Hear.) been made. They had passed a great gulf, and he trusted they They talked of sectarian ,'tifferences, but had not this Bill set would proceed to a happy termination. creed against creed ?-(rear.) Whose fault was that ? - Mr. GODSON said that he should trouble the House with a ( Hear, hear.) It had raised the Protestant feeling of the very few words in explanation of the vote he intended to give country, and they would in wain attempt to Lay it. It had on the present occasion, and he did this partly because his kindled the flame which smoukhered, and which would break opinion might not coincide with many of those who had re- out with a degree of intensity, so. lira no man conld calculate turned him as their representative to Parliament. And first, upon its violence or its ravages. In had been said Oat there it became his duty to see what were the benefits which this were nut such large assemblies of the clergy of the Church of measure would confer upon the Roman Catholics England, acting in corporate bodies, as at the time Of the of Ireland, and in making this inquiry, he would Emancipation Bill, but there was ,hardly a partachial not regard the present as a solitary measure, for he petition among the numbers he had presented, which trusted it was not to stand alone, the only monument of the was not signed by the rector of the Garish.-( Hear., ) Government's desire to do justice to the sister country. Ile He had been told that they should not unite with their DIA. hoped that the Irish people would enjoy that peace which re- tenting brethren, but he never felt ashamed of the mere term suited from a conviction that they had been justly dealt with. Protestant-( Hear, hear)-nor sought to escape from that..dis- He (Mr. Godson) had had considerable experience of the ! tinction. The Hon. Baronet then went en to explain the Church establishment in the colonies, for he had been inti- nature of Prosestantism,which was not, he said, a mere bundles, f mately acquainted for many years with the Island of Jamaica, negatives, but a distinct and definite idea-a creed for which and he should, with the permission of the House, draw men had spilt their blood three centuries ago. He had been. Honourahle Members' attention to the sums of money which accused by Hon. Members opposite as setting himself up as are had been sent to the different religious denominations there, oracle of truth-he had not done so, but what he declared was,. and particularly to the amounts granted for the support of the that he would nut teach to a stranger what he believed to be Roman Catholics. There was an annual amount sent every false, no mole than he would teach it to his own child, and he year to the,lsland of Jamaica of 28,510/. This appeared to be the hoped the same feelings existed in the breast of every case by a return for the year 1839, which had been laid on the Hon wrable Member in that House.-( Hear, hear.) table of that House. They would find that out of 168,2421. It would puzzle them to make any distinction in the matter. granted altogether for ecclesiastical purposes, the Roman Ca- He had never used strong language in that House inconskst e tholic priesthood had had no less than 14,763/. Why, then, emit with th e p ersona l res p ec t d ue to t h e G ent l emen w h o ad he asked, sh o uld th e co l on i es h ave a greater measure of justice dressed the House. He, for one, would not compromise the than that accorded to Ireland ? He trusted that this measure great truths in which he had been brought up ; and he would was an indication of better things-that they would soon see say, that if the Protestant truth-if the religion of the Church the priesthood of the Roman Catholics made independent of the of England was in accordance with the law of God and the people to whom they ministered, and that as the blessings of Gospel, then must the other system which the measure pro education were extended, a more united and friendly feeling posed to endow, be a system of error. How any man could would spring up between that country and this. He trusted support a system that went to justify the propagation of error', that the period was not distant when the Parliament would be he could not see. tie was sure it could never be reconciled considered a Legislature not inimical to their interests, but to conscience or common sense. lie, at all events, would willing to do them that justice which had so long been refused never publicly or privately support what he could not be to them. lieve. Tile Church of England was not one of many sects, Colonel RAWDON, on the part of the Roman Catholics but the religion of the people and the State.-(.Hear.) of Ireland, gave his hearty concurrence to the measure brought It was, therefore, entitled to the highest privilege, and ought forward by the Right Hon. Baronet. He looked on it as not to be placed in comparison with other setts, but had a opening a better prospect for the Irish people, as the beginning I right to demand maintenance and support from tlhe State. He of a better state of things. Why, if they did not do that could net conceal from himself the fact, that his Bight Hon. justice which was certainly due to Ireland, it would be better I Friend at the head of the Government had occupiad the most o discont: The -- - important position, during the last twenty years, data y public man they ever had in the country. Every good or e?il mea sure during the last quarter of a century had, either wholly or in part, originated with him, with the exception of the 11,eform Bill. There was no measure originated or brought to a .con elusion during that time, but what, in their merits or demer.i!se were due to him more than to any other man. He might rei, , r to the changes in the criminal law of England, the ecelesiatiti• • cal law of England, Church reform, the poor-law.—(Losi cries of " 1 - I.lr, hear," and " Divide, divide.") The Whir Government could not carry forward their measures without the assistance of his Right Hon. Friend. The union of the Canada', and the formation of the Municipal Corporations, were both indebted to his helping hand. He would warn his Right Hon. Friend against the course he was at present pur suing as fatal to the nest. interests of the country. No one could be ignorant of the great degree of respect and considera tion which was at present bestowed on the Roman Catholic re ligion, whenever her Majesty's Government.—( Cries of " Ox ford.") He would leave the differences at Oxford to be settled by the convocation. lie had thought that when the Catholic Emancipation Bill was carried in 1829, the require - ments of the Roman Catholics had been conceded and' satisfied ; but it new appeared that a measure was to be introduced which, he believed, would go far to repeal that Act, while it would legalise th w introduction, and administer to the succession of all tlav scholastic institutions founded on adverse principles. That Bill had been three months lying on the table of the House, and no attention had yet been drawn to its anomalous and per nicious character. 'Was he not, therefore, justified in saying that a line of conduct tending to discourag e the Protestant, and encourage the R oman C at h olic Churc h, was manifested by the Governments which, for the last sixteer. or twenty years, had held sway in England? If they looked abroad, the same spirit was apparent in the course of the Administration towards its colonial institutions. In 1797, a considerable grant of land was made in Canada for the foundation of the Protes tant Establishment there. A short time ago, the Government abroad, acting under the instructions of the Home Administra tion, had brought in a Bill to take away that great property, and by a majority of eleven it had been agreed to transfer it front a Protestant University to one where no religious in struction whatever was to be admitted. Looking, therefore, at the systematic discouragement given to the Church of England and the systematic encouragement to the Church of Rome, and regarding the present measure but as the prelude and precursor of the endowment of the Roman Catholic Church, he should still, in this, its last stage, offer it his uncompromising opposition. Colonel VERNER, amidst loud cries of " Divide," moved an adjournment of the debate, on which the House divided, when there appeared-- For the adjournment .. Against it Majority against the adjournment .• ---74 On our admission to the gallery we found Mr. Wi SE on his legs, arguing in favour of the adjourn ment of the debate, in consequence of the number of Irish Members who had not yet spoken on the subject. Colonel VERNER had moved the adjournment as several Hon. Members had gone away, under the impression that the debate should be continued for another evening. After a few words from Mr. VILLIERS STEWART and Mr. HOME, Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that, in his opinion, the de bate should go on, until no one could wish for any further ad journment.—(Laughter.) He thought such a course would disarm all opposition, especially as all the argument was on one side. Sir ROBERT PEEL said he had no desire to postpone the adjournment, although he thought it rather hard upon those whose duty it was to sit out the whole of the debate.—(Laughter.) He was anxious to allow every convenience to Hon. Members, and, as he understood that se. veral Irish Members wished yet to speak on the question, he should not oppose the further adjournment. The debate was then adjourned. Bill was read a second time. 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To prevent mistakes be cautious, and Observe,—Only to be . bad at 39, - Albemarle-street, Piccadilly, opposite the York Hotel. _Antic the connexion between the two portions of the empire—it would be better, he repeated, to dissever that con nexion, than to maintain a disregard of the feelings of a very large and important portion of the empire. He believed, that notwithstanding the great number of petitions which had been obtained against the Bill, the generous feelings of the English people were in favour of a measure which manifested a disposition on the part of the English Government to render some justice to an injured country. He knew very well all the uses that might be made of the debate, but that would not prevent him from persisting in his support to the Bill. Mr. SHAW denied, in the first place, that there was any similarity between the present proposition and the Act of 1795, which gave a temporary and conditional endow ment to the college of Maynooth. But the Go vernment were not satisfied now with the tolerance of the Romish Church, but they were going to endow it, and to make it permanently a part of the State. The Right lion. Baronet treated this as the foundation of a new system. He should like to know what they were to understand from the words of the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Govern ment two years ago. He then adopted a different policy and a different tone towards Ireland. He had now changed his opinions, and was adopting a different policy towards that country. The Roman Catholics inferred from the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department, that they were not to b e content with civil rights, but were to have religious equality with the members of the Established Church. Thus strife, excitement, and animosity, of a far more important cha racter than that which existed during the period when the old poli tical Catholic question disturbed that country, would be engen dered. God help the people of that country, for, indeed, they had but little to expect from such a course of policy.—( Cheers) Instead of men of different political feelings co-operating to gether for the promotion of national improvements, and for the promotion of their common interests, it would seem as if they were again to be driven into religious disputations and party conflict—that days of peace and rest should never be permitted to the people of Ireland, and that dissension, discord, and con tention of a lasting kind would be introduced. He regretted that the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government had made the announcement " that Ireland was to be his difficulty." This was a sure way to make it so. Such predictions had a tendency to their own fulfilment. He sincerely believed that much of the vexation and annoyance of the " monster meetings" and "State prosecutions" in Ireland, had beer, induced by that declaration.—(Cries of " Oh," and " No.") He would not go into them, but he was prepared to say, for his own part, that in the treatment of the monster meetings at first, or in the State prosecutions after, he did not think the policy pursued was injudicious.—( Hear, hear.) He was ready to affirm that when the Right Hon. Baronet assumed office there was not amongst all his political supporters a section more anxious to co-operate with him in adopting a conciliatory policy toward Ireland than his Irish supporters.—( Hear, hear.) To the last hour of his life he should entertain feelings of affectionate regard towards the Right Hon. Baronet. He had always been the friend of civil equality both to his Roman Catholic brethren and his Protestant associates.—( Hear, hear.) He had not the honour of sitting in that House in 1829, but his father had been turned out for giving a vote in favour of the Catholics. The Dart he had taken with respect to the Municipal Corpo ration Bill had lost him the dearest and best friend of his life. —( Hear, hear.) He was glad to see his Right Hon. Friend the Secretary for Ireland in his place, because it gave him the opportunity of telling him that when he went to that country he would find himself in no better a position than a clerk to the Home-office.—( Hear, hear.) He could not but think, as an Irishman, that the appointment of Englishmen to the office of Lord Chancellor of Ireland was greatly to be deplored. With regard to professional appointments, he did not wish to bring any names before the House, but at the same time he would say that in professional appointments they had been rather chosen by the considerati.n of an inferior policy, than by a regard to the character or the honour of the professions themselves, or the wishes of the Irish people. The Right Hon. Baronet, in enumerating the appointments which were made, spoke of a gentleman appointed to a minor office ; he (Mr. S. ) would not mention the name; but while that gentleman re mained in that office, he was still some proof of the principle which he had just spoken of. The Protestants of Ireland were not so easily to be frightened as the Right Hon. Baronet ima gined, and that he would yet find out. He would warn the Government that if they lost the support of the Irish Protest ants, they would introduce a spirit of discontent, e without creating a good feeling among the p eo pl e . Lord Plunkt _ him self, _ thats e lf if that , House afriendatttoemthpd to toucheteßoman theCatho plicsr,epehardtydeecflatrhede Protestant Church in Ireland, they would soon e the ties un he ion Irelan d Tefrewas o at re fact en up o n , a n d wh s i e c v h h era_ severance begged e h of the two s of the countries. the G Honourableiy Government e Friend t t e h e Firstreflect — namely, fi e e t Lord e e o y f the that Treasurytheover whelming and majority of for t the Membersinfluenced by that House, who voted ha honourable t measure , i were re th r e et i e d s e t a ae th t E at s t t h e i b ii iishm measenut...4 measure was Hear.) Let those G to doinju e r n y ten to lem the Protestant who professed a regard for the Established Church of England know that if they destroyed the Irish branch, the English branch must follow. They may not think so now, but they would find it out if the experiment were tried. He would give them one more warning in conclusion, that if they severed the Irish Es tablishment from the State, or created a junction between vo luntaries and latitudinarians, they would decrease the happi ness, greatness, and prosperity of this country. Mr. GASKELL said that he had sat in that House since the passing of the Reform Bill, and he thought, having sat so long, it was incumbent on him to support that Government which he had always so cordially assisted. He opposed the policy of Lord Melbourne, because he believed that the ten dency of it was to increase the democratic influence in Ireland, and that it added to the power of the repeal movement; but his belief was that the tendency of the measure now before the House was precisely opposite. His support of the Bill did not rest on any compact either expressed or im plied by the Legislature at the time of the union. He believed that there was such a compact, and that it was binding ; but his vote was not founded upon it, because he was ready to sup port the measure in the absence of any compact on the part of the Government. He would only trouble the House with one word more. He would just call attention to the words of the Attorney -General for Ireland, when Mr. Burke was connected with the Government of that country. (The Hon. Member then read a few sentences from a paper he held in his hand, which were to the effect that the sentiments of the legal autho rity whom be quoted were, that, " in order to conciliate the ,Trio' % 0 V