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be demonstrable, that the shouting of the popti lace, and the resistance they made to the military with missileand other weapons, upon the seizure of their flags, impressed the Magistrates with the strongest conviction of the danger in which the yeomanry were placed, and of • the necessity of sending an.additional• force to their assistance.— Cientlemen on the other side had assumed a tone about the trial at York, as if Mr.. Hunt had been acquitted, instead of having been convicted of convening -an illegal meeting. It was laid doWtt by the Learned- Judge who- tried the cause that a meeting which endangered the public peace was illegal, though the parties did not appear armed, and the old constitutional maxim was ap plied. on that occasion, that numbers constitute force, force terror, and terror illegality. - It was said, that the warrant ought to have been exe cuted by the constables only, and much reliance ivas placed upon a supposed statement of the Learned-Judge, that no evidence had been given by Nadir' as to the necessity of employing the yeomanry. It was true no 'evidence had been give n by Nadir', because the Learn e d J u d ge h a d r efused to receive hearsay evidence ; but there 'as the evidence of Mr. Hulton, which, in his opinion, was perfectlY unexceptionable,•notwith,- standinp-, the sarcasms which had been thrown out against him. There was also the evidence of Mr. Phillips, who, upon being asked whether any at tempt was made to execute the warrant without the assistance of the Military, replied, "Certainly not, it would have • been madness to attempt it." With respect to the sending up of the second hare.,of soldiery to the r e li e f' o f th e first, ," Maint a in e d th a t th e M ag i strate S, w h en t h ey h ad reason to believe that the yeomanry were in d anger, were bound ,to protect a - body of men, 117 hose lives were notless valuable to the country t han those Of which' they new . -deplored the loss. -r - h e questionwas not whether the general objects of the meeting were such as to justify its disper sion; but whether the . dang-er in which the yeo maury were placed' Was such as to justify . their ''" s ene ? The Le arne d- J u dg e who - tried . the c ause at- York had' refused to receive evidence 1-% hich went merely t o the conduct o f the soldiery, and that interdict had operated very favOurably to the rioters ; but it was a little too much, after they had received all the benefit of that exclusion of evidence, to turn round now and •saythat the P v ogQcutorn were afraid to risk ie. The question '!:as not so" much .what :.the danger actually :was, as what - it appeared to be to the Ma gistrates. Sorrie men placed in authority might act most unwisely, and still not exceed their Jurisdiction ; others, .on . the other hand, might exceed' their jurisdiction, and be guilty of sa ving their count r y. H e would never consent t°put men o f h um a ne c h arac t er upon t h e i r a t, a , s criminals, for having exercised their best discretion in circumstances of such difficulty. a nd danger," such doubt.and such alarm.—(Hear! from: the Ministerial Benches.)—lf they went to a Court of Law, the' judges of the land would tell them that they must prove something wilful and malicious-against the Magistrates in order to, convict them. If a Court of 'Law would refuse to entertain such a charge, was it fitting that Par liament should be called upon not to aid, but to F o 2ntravene the law, not t o a d va n ce the interests :11justi6e; but fo minister to the gratification of of der and revenge ? With respect to the conduct e " , ernrnent, they were called upon to give an b e lli c e diate opinion, and th a t o pi n i on cou ld on l y t° rmed upon the information before them.— f o le y had expr e ssed una ll o y e d sa ti s f ac ti on , . no t li r the blood. whi c h was s h e d, as was sa id b y t h e be • Baronet, but f or th e bl oo d which had Len saved, - for the blood which the Magistrates d '.( l red eeme d f rom t h e f ata l necess i ty of shed -I!,ng------(Cheers from the Minist er ial B enc hes.)---: Very lette r of the Rev. Mr. Hay, written on the evening .of the transaction, which was the t° formation upon which Minist e rs act e d, rema i ne d ti that • very .hour u n i m p eac h a bl e i n ever y par aePlar• Minist ers were b oun d t o cons id er t h e lor mation whi c h they r e ce i ve d from the proper Itutborities as true, until the contrary was proved. ab % did not pretend to vie with the' Honour ') Baronet t oPposite in felicity of ill us t ra ti on , _Ut could not help reminding hi m o f th e j us t 4 4 a . d wi se reto r t of the Priest, when the Jester t 4 id to him, " h ow foolish you - would appear, if , tidings for. which you have sacrificed so p u ,cti turn out to be false?"—" What" said the' i r ,! es t) " , turn will be your foolishn e ss if th ose tidin gs b rs 'n out to b e t rue ?" It was t h e d uty o f an t rlest and courageous AdminiStration- t o ac t f or c ountry,,'and not to hesitate for themselves, 1 , they wer e now arra igned.a second ti me f or ,',„"ng manfully a n d st ea dily p ursue d. t hi s d uty. ' ,4fltV Reformers fought at 'a great advantage, for the 'louse acceded to their proposition, they could haie thi . .!"snetion of Parlilinent to colour lad' unconstitutional . pr e te ns i ons; if no t, th ey a pretext for 'inveighing against Parliament. uGrand - J u ry had already determined that e re Was nothin g t o j us tify a t r i a l by a co m mon 10. ,. f, th ere f ore , th e accuser had not been a uto to ma k e out a prima facie case against the. i t ecu sNl, what iight had the Milne to presume that a clea rer case co uld b e ma d e o u t a ga i nst e m, when the a ccuse d s h ou ld a l so b e h ear d i n t eir d e f ence ? After some further observations, lion. Member- concluded by declaring, that "o if it had beed fit in 1819 to institute an in t:l.44Y, that a ferment might be allay 4, it was not fit to institute it in. 1891, that this ferment 11[4 :3ht be renewed. Air. I IOBHOUSE rose to answer more particti- T .Ile 'denied the o b serva ti on i of the last speaker. e 'enied that any case had been made out for jus 7 tifying the attack which had been made on these l'°Or defenceless people, collected together on The 16th of Au gus t. " T ake a mouse by the tail, l , ild it 'would bite you," was a saying of a well known character of antiquity. No wonder, then, then, that there should be found a, sufficient spirit in •a large body of. the British. people, collected th thus togeth er , to • resist an attempt to disperse eni.in the exercise of ,a legalised right, or, in other words, to. defend themselves against at 7 _l!ek.. The opinion which the House had given °J ;c l . !dY . ort this question had been pronounc e.% immediately after . , the alarm ... which had ' 1 ) . _ 11 1 . 1 . excited by.. the sta.ternents of ditfe e Persons, niore especially by that of e a Noble D-uke in another House, as to the extent of conspiracies and confederacies throughout the Country, which were stated to amount to sip wards of 100,000 persons between the river Tyne and the' Wear. The Noble Duke, when asked to state where those persons were to be found ; admitted that they were not above ground, but might be found below ground in the . collieries.— (A laugh.)—With respect to thP statement of the Member for Dover, of there being but- few pa - - tients in the hospital, there were many reasons to suppose .they were but a small portion of the wounded. Why, upon the trial at York, there were 119 who swore to have been injured. •It was clear enough, by the evidence there adduced, that the Riot - Act was not read. As to the transactions of that tragical day, the narra tive of Mr. Stanley gave a painful detail.— An Honourable Member last night (Mr. Wil mot) had talked of narrowing the question instead of which he had extended it,- and had introduced many expressions of opprobrium that the people did not merit. He had also spoken of the exhibition of five caps of liberty. Had he ever seen an old half-penny--had he ever heard of the cap of liberty in the ancient pageantry of the country—of its introduction at the times of the Coronation of the Kings of England ? But, perhaps, upon the next occasion it might be re jected, because it was a symbol of rebellion, and therefore unworthy to be acknowledged by the free Monarch of a free people. He defended his Hon. Colleague from the blame that had been cast upon him for not having brought forward his motion earlier; he hoped, however, he was not to be punished-for that. In the words of Dryden, " To die to‘r treason, was a common evil," But to be hang!d for nonsense is the devil." The ,Solicitor General had deni e d th a t *th e Government was a 'party to the proceedings at Manchester. This was not quite fair towards the Manchester Magistrates. The Learned Gen tleman had endeavoured to mix up a great deal of odium by. pointing out ,certain One lion. Member sail, losk at Mr. Hunt ; ano, tlier said; look at Mr. Carlile ; and now the Learned Gentleman said, .look at Mr: Pearson. Mr. Pearson had nothing to do with collecting or transmitting them an account of the truth or falsehood of statements. An Hon. Member had said it was liberty to speak.upon such a subject in that House. He knew the value of that liberty, - and' he was resolved to enjoy that privilege as - long as he could.. For many years every means had been exerted to put down Reform ; nothing but military violence was wanting, and that has at last been given. • • The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said,. after the extent to which this discdssion had gone during two nights, upon a question not new either to Parliament or to the country, he certainly was not disposed to occupy much of the time of the House, yet he was sure Gentlemen would feel, after the many allusions made to him in the course of debate, that, independent of tlte. re sponsible situation he held, he should not stand justified if he withheld some explanation. In the first view of the subject, he collected from the Hon. Baronet, that it was not simply the Manchester business that was brought under consideration, but the conduct of the Executive Government. The Noble Marquis was prepared to defend the course the Magistrates took in that transaction, and he expressed a " hope that the House would allow him to state the course they , did take." He wished first to recal to the re collection of the House what portion the Govern ment had in this question. He was bound to oppose the accuracy of the statement made by the Hon. Baronet, who had asserted, that the me lancholy transactions at Manchester were con certed by his Majesty's Ministers. He should. not shrink from those transactions, yet he could de clare that Government was entirely clear of all that happened, and that none of the cirCunastanceswould be controuled by his Majesty's Government. It was not until the transaction was reported and received in letters from Mr. Hay, that they had any cognizance of it. Certainly, it was with pain and feelings of distress that the Government heard of the blood shed that day.' No honour able man could believe—not even the enemies of Government could be base enough to believe, that Ministers took measures to shed the blood of his Majesty's subjects. The lion. Baronet had said Government'had travelled Out of its course in af fording the parties protection; he did not know, perhaps, that they never presumed to ,try those serving under them. They left them to ..the, laws of the country. Satisfaction with respect to the conduct of the. Magistrates was ex pressed, but it was not that blood had been shed. If the Circular of Lord Sidmouth could have had the effect of saving them from trial, it might have occasioned the indignation of the country ; but it was nothing more than an ex pression of approbation, on finding the public had received that protection which, the law provided. It was unjust to say, it was a bloody interposition. With respect to what the Hon. Baronet had said 'of the share he (Lord Londonderry) took in the transaction, the House would allow him to offer a fevibbservations. Although he had not the honour to address the same Parliament before which he endeavoured to justify himself and Colleagues in the Manchester transaction, yet still he was before the Parliament. He Could state, that the propositions against him w e r e rejected by the largest majority ever known within those walls. The numbers were. 381 to 151 votes. Why was. this' painful subject to he brought forward again ? Why was the Hon. Ba ronet silent on the subject during the whole of 1820 ? When the Hpn..Baronet gave notice in June why did he suffer, it to drop? If his rea son for not bringing it forward was, that he wait ed for the trial of Mr. Hunt, that was over in the Spring, Assizes: Why was it that the Hon. Ba ronet thought he could now bring it on ? Was it to revive those feelings, which' happily for the conntry were dormant ? They were to look at all the circumstances. There was a great deal of dissatisfaction among the manufacturing classes, and the individual who was to preside at Man chester in Augtst, had previously presided at the Meeting in Smithfield, so that the Manches- 1 ter - Meeting wa! to be considered a branch of that systematic treason 'which led to open.rebel- lion. It was not an assembly of moderate Re formers which took place at Manchester, but le mob who met for the purpose of prothiCing a revolution in the country, , which :would • have broken out in a systematic form, had it' not been prevented . by the Magistracy ; . and, in stead of the blood of that day, torrents of blood would have been shed in various parts of the country. The Baronet had - stated that he (Lord Londonderry) on a former day pledged himself for the truth of all he advanced ; he wOtild however, say, that nothing .had occurred to lead him to believe ally facts he had stated were incorrect. The Magistrates had to con template a meeting of seven or "eight thousand men, assembled with military array ;' they were called on as Englishmen to suppress riot, and to be prepared with a military force ; their purpose was to watch the. meeting, and it was not until it a3sumed, a character of terror that they is sued their warrant. The House would recol lect that the verdict of a. Jury pronounced it an illegal meeting, a circumstance which proved the Magistrates were right in issuing their warrants. Upon the face of the evidence, it appeared that the Magistrates did, not employ ,military force until they found their warrants could not be executed by the •civil pOwer.— (Hear, hear, hear!)--Gentlemen on the other side of the [louse, who exclaimed " hear," per haps knew the fact better than the officer on duty at the time of the disturbance.- The blood shed was not occasioned by the Magistrates, but by those who excited the people to, lumult ; by those who, under the mask of Reform, had no Other object than rebellion. On such • persons the charge of blood ought to fall, and not on, the Magistrates who were performing a painful and difficult duty, and who had the manliness to do that duty with firmness. He would not 'con descend to comment on the assertion that justice could not be obtained.---I)id they mean to say that the Grand Jury of Man Chester had failed to do their duty ? Did they mean to say that it was a question of blood, and that if it was, the misconduct 'of any Grand Jury could shut up a case of murder from investigation and punish ment. It would have been better if the Hon. Baronet had left the question of murder, suppos ing_ it to be such,•to the decision of a jury, for which upon other occasions he professed to have so much respect, than to let it lie upon The Jour nals of Parliament' until it suited his convenience to hring it forward. Did the lion. Baronet mean to say that the House of Commons wasa more compe tent tribunal insuch cases than aJuryof the country? Did he, after all his attacks upon that House,which he .did not even treat with ordinary respect, which he took all opportunities to traduce and vilify in other places, did he now come to that House as the only place in the country where justice could be obtained ?—(Hear, hear !)—lt was an insult to their understandings to assert that the Hon. Baronet had no other means of proceeding than by such an application, or that those who suffered had no other opportunity of redress than by putting their case into the hands of the Hon. Baronet to be dealt with at his con venience, and according to the new view he had taken of the justice and competency of the House of Commons. Would not the sufferers have ,their • civil action against the . officers con cerned, and against the yeomanry, in which the whole question might be brought under the view of the Court ? But it had been asked why certain individuals were not examined on the trial of Mr. Hunt ? The reason was ob vious--'-because• the question before the Court was merely whether the meeting was legally or illegally convened. Why,he would ask again, did they not bring their actions against the Manches ter Yeomanry, who had been most unjustly vili fied through the whole of those transactions, as all men were sure to be who stood forward boldly to discharge their duty to the country ? It was a proof that they had not a foot of ground to stand upon, when_ they (lid not dare to arpear before a Jury. But then, it was urged, on the other hand, that the poor people could not afford to go to tria --that they had not the means. It appeared however, that their case had attracted the atten Lion of the Honourable Baronet, whose name ap peared at the head of a large collection for the sufferers, amounting, he believed, to two thousand pounds. Was .there a farthing of that money applied to the prosecution of those who were charged with such atrocities against them ? lie knew it had been said, that some portion was. t expended at Oldham, but never was there a proceeding more unjustly instituted than that, or more unlikely to answer the ends of justice in any respect—it was a mode of getting up a case to influence the public mind and mislead the public opinion, and not.to try the merits of the question. But how was the money applied ? in advertising for the persons who had been wounded. It was impossible not to feel one's heart bleed for those who suffered, whether through their own infatuation, or innocently, as was often the case in tumults, but still he would maintain, that those funds had been better em ployed in a country like this, where no sufferer, where no wounded man could be left to perish, in prosecuting the offenders, if there was a case against them, than in advertising for wounds and bruises, and for every thing that could exasperate the feelings of the people, already sufficiently ex cited. The lion. Baronet came with the worst possible grace before Parliament, after they had already pronounced a solemn decision on the sub ject ; not that they were_ indifferent to.the suf ferings endured, but that they thought them bet ter trusted to the ordinary tribunals of the country. There was no case laid before them now which would justify them in changing that opinion, with regard to transactions of so complicated a nature, and to individuals excited and irritated by. the transactions. An honour ab le and learned Gentleman hail said, on a former night, that the question was. of so lofty and sublimated a kind, as to be unfit for the jurisdiction of the King's Bench ; that, the Con duct imputed to the Magistracy and YeoManry constituted an offence not known to the' law, and therefore that a Anal judgment ought to be pronounced upon it by decision of that _ . House. The Honourable and Learned .Gentie, man, hoWever ) would find it difficult con- vince the country that it might be better de cided in that .House without an ,oath, than in other placeS where oaths were aditiinister'ed to the witnesses. If he knew any thing of a British II Ouse of COmmons = -(lotid cheers from the Oppo sition),77they.would discharge their duty to their constituents upon a better principle.---:(Hem-, hear !)=lie was confident that 'the good sense and manliness of Parliament would loOk at•othe I.question as an attempt—a feeble attempt, thank God, to 'revive the inflammation which had sub sided. To that manliness and intelligence, which was its natural characteristic, he looked for the i putting down of discord, and the discountenanc= ing of-treason and rebellion. We'Were delivered from the delusion of another great question, and this.was an attempt to renew the excitement of the public mind. Whatever might be said to the disadvantage of Parliament, and whatever pains might be taken to degrade and vilify the House of -Cortnnons, and propagate an opinion that it was not respected, .he would say that the voice of Parliament had a magical influence on the public mind. The danger of treason had disap peared before the thunder of Parliament, and he was still confident that the confusion could- never be revived by the Hon. Baronet, if the manliness and wisdom of Parliament c on ti nue d - t o man if est itself as it had ever done. Mr. SCARLETT compared the Noble Marquis to .a Magician, who effected all his objects, not by reason, but power. The Noble Lord was sure of-his majority, but knew well haw to carry war into the enemy's quarters. The Noble Lord's defence was not - remarkable for modesty. —He admitted that trial at York proved the illegality of the Meeting; but the regularity of the means taken for •dispersion had never been proved. 11 was a fact that persons quietly 'as sembled had been attacked by a military force, and trampled upon. In such a case, whO could say that inquiry ought not to take .place ? It was (the Hon. Member observed) a subject for Par liamentary .inquiry, and the :Hon. Baronet who brought it forward Was not subject to the charge of exciting tumult. Having been alluded , to with respect to the trial, he couldonly say that his duty required him to be silent on that subject. lie would only say that the account of the examina tion of Mr. Halton, the Magistrate, was not suf ficiently copiotts and coarrezt. He believed that the Magistrates had .no - intention to call out the military. Mr. Hulton had assured him, on the faith of a Gentleman, that he had never ordered the yeomanry to advance on the multitude, and was , not aware of their advance till he saw them mingled pellmell with the multitude. He after wards thought he saw thein in danger of being overpowered, and on being applied to by Colonel l'Estranme to know what he was to do, he had said, " GoocCGod! do you . not see the situation of the yeomanry ? They must be saved." Upon this the Colonel (as he bad a right to do) advanced to their relief. lle then described the evidence of Mr. Tyas, and from what he thence col lected, corroborated as it was by other - wit nesses. he could not see that the Maolstrates were just objects of censure.- If they had erred at all, their error had been very venial. But other parties were concerned. in this great ques tion ;—the Magistrates, the Constables, and the Military. lie throught from the peculiar cir cumstances of the case that the yeomanry of Man chester (to whom he meant no disrespect,), was the worst force that could be employed on that occasion, as they might naturally feel somewhat indignant that such a meeting should take place under the auspices of an individual who had no thing to do with the case. lie thought the yeo manry had made an unnecessary attack upon the people, but at the same time he admitted -that they might have believed that, they were only doing their duty. It had been said that there was some precipitation in thanking the Magis trates for what they had done. Without any view to party feelings he must say, that the thanks —the unqualified' thanks which had.been given to the Magistrates and to the military, it appear ed to him were calculated to produce exaspera tion throughout the country. Such a-step on the part of Ministers was calculated to influence the Magistrates, and perhaps the Grand Juries, as from that time it immediately- became a Govern ment question, and individuals who were a.g. grieved, had inconsequence but little - chanCe of obtaining redress in the ordinary way. He con sidered that the people had done all•they could to obtain redress. The Bills they had prepared had been rejected, and .he did not know what they could have done more. When this subject Was formerly before the House, it was contended that an inquiry could not take Place in 'that House till the questions then pending had been disposed of. That argument failed now, and he thought it was only by that House' that a satisfac tory inquiry, could be instituted. The ATTOIINEY-GENERAL would not detain the House long at-that late hour, as the speech of his Learned - Friend had exculpated Minis ters, and the Magistrates from any deliberate design to disperse the meeting as it was dis persed. It was said the. people had . done all they. could do, but then it was-complained that these Bills had been thrown out by the Grand Jury. This was the first time he had ever heard that the throwing-out of a Bill by the Grand Jury was to be considered a proof of guilt against the parties accused. He strewed' that in various ways the subject might have been brought before the Courts of Justice. But this had not been attempted, though. subscriptions were opened to defray the expences of prosecuting the parties concerned. A considerable part of the money so subscribed had been- expanded, not in such attempts, but on the *inquest at Oldham, acid oil the defence of Mr, Hunt 'at York. - •Itirad now. been admitted,- that the meeting 'at Manchester was illegal. 'Phis had not been admitted when the subject was formerly under' consideration.— (Cries of " No.") Ile Maintained that:its gality had not •been admitted .always, and he should prove, , - by referring to 'the Resolutions come toat the York C ounty Meeting, that there the proceedings of the !meeting had :been de scribed-to be-legal. - He .should have gene fur ther,- but was relieved from the necessity-of doing so, by the speech otitis Hon. and Learned Friend. •He complained of the exaggerated statements made , . . . on the opposite side, who calling- for inquiry, at once pronounced . that murders .had ,been com mitted, 'when, so far as inquiry had as yet gone, no murders had been provech This was not well from those who were se clamorous on the subject' of the thatik's which they. thought had been pre maturely given to the Magistrates. I.tshould seem, - that while they - c om pl a i ne d of Precipita thin on the part of others, they claimed for them-- selVes an exclusiVe right to prejudge the.merits of the question.—Mr.Scla LETT explained. • Mr. S. WO RTLEY said, that in the language contained in the Resolutions come to at . the York and County 'Meetings, he thought his Hon. Friends who *differed from him on that occasion had riot prejudiced that question. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Scarlett) had in his opiniOn cleared Ministers and the Magistratys of that which had been charged against them. He had certainly -imputed blaMe to the yeomanry, but the ordinary Courts of Law, he must con tend, were the proper tribunals before which that questien ought to be tried, and the fact that it had not been brought before these, satisfied his mind that the complaining : parties had n 9 good case to make out. Lord MILToN observed, that the explanation of his, Hon. Colleague as to the York County Meeting, rendered any observations from him on the subject unnecessary. Sir FRANCIS I.IIIRIjETT then rose to reply. He contended that the case remained as it was when he introduced it. .His Majesty's Ministers, in stead of lending themselves to inquiry, indulged in 'invectives against the people'of (Hear, hear !)--L.lf this House was not. the proper place.for inquiry, then could inquiry be had no where else. The question here was a great Con stitutional-one not a contest am o n gs t indivi duals. This Meeting was riot to be viewed alone, but in connexion with the other Meetings of the same _kind which took place, and with re ference to which all of them had in view, namely, a Constitutional Reform in this House. The ques tion was, whether the people of England must be allowed to meet and peaceably -pursue the. at tainment of that object ?—(Hear, hear o—The Noble Lord had not told the House whether the Military were sanctioned by the Magistrates or not.. Neither had they cleared themselves from the imputation that the dispersion of the meeting was premeditated, and that the whole was . don6 under their Saticticrm The Noble Lord- had said the House did not know what instructions the military acted under—it was . true the House did not ; but vas not the inquiry material, mid ought not theilouse to be' put in possession ofthe fact ? (Hear.)—The motion was not brought on too late ; for only ‘ just time enoug h h a d e l a p sed, since the fatal occurrence, to strip it of the false aPPear- . ances which were given to it. It was never proved yet that the Manchester Meeting was legal. The trial at York. did not prove it—in deed, the acquittal of some of the parties charged with attending it, would seem to,proVe the re verse.- The Noble Lord had not gone the'length of the Honourable Member for Newcastle,un juluesrt-ilcie. ne, who juAified the killin g o f th e peop l e, by saying -it was d one upon an extended scale of Mr. Wir,moT, from the gallery, here called the Hon. Baronet to order, and .appealed to the Chair against a false construction being put upon words which hd used in an• early part of the de bate. What. he meant to say. was, that if persons suffered in consequence of an effort of the Magis trates to do their . duty, it was much to he-re gretted; but.he thought, at the same time, that there. was. a- great justification to be found for. the Nlagistrates, in. the obligation which they .felt of doiu that duty—(Hear.) •' - Sir F. BUIIDETi was glad to hear the ion. Member explain, and would not represent him in worse calours.than those be chose to appear in him Self. He had, thought, however, that he (Mr. WO' carried - the doctrine of justification farther than any other-Meinber, and it was only for that reason he 'bade_ allusion to his words. He observed, th e Noble Lord had confidently anticipated ' the issue of the' 'motion, :frohi a House of CoMmons constituted • as that was. Of course, it was not his (Sir F. IL's) bu siness,.to_ quarrel with the anticipations of the Noble Lord; for no . limn 'was a better judge in these 'matters', or could calculate upon and know the exact Strebgth, not only of an 'English, bot also of an Irish House of Commons—(H ear than the N o ble Lo r d . He (Sir Y.) would leave the Ntible Lord all the gratification whiCh he'ex pected from the result ; and seeing how, happy the Noble Lord and the .House (in defiance of. pe.ople out of doors) were in each other's corn pally, he would pay them - no more compliment's.- Ttie Nellie Lord might think that House an or nament to the country, as it was useful to him, but he (Sir F.) knew that it was a House cious to the country.—(Loud cries 'of Order!) The SPEAKER rose to call the. Hon. Baronet to order. .It was,Onnecessary to repeat his words; hot his own reflection must teach him that -the expressions w hi c h h e use d were disorderly in the last degree.—(Hear!) Sir ‘.BURDETT bowed to the Chair, and asked pardon for expressions which had escaped him in the warmth 'of the moment. He then contended, that the best rights of the people ,were infringed, and said that so long as lie-hadla. seat in that tions,e, he would never be satistiod until some inquiry was had into the circumstances attendiricr ' this most' disgraceful violatio n o f the laws' of tire country.----(liear, hear !)' • • The House divided, when there•were:--- • ; For the question - . - - - ' 111 Against it - - - .235 .Majority ngainst the Motion The' other Orders of the Day were then 'disposed of and the House adjourned at nearly THREE o'CLocx this Morning, CONTINENTAL SOCIETY..7---r.The Annual lig of this Society took place at the Freemasons' Tavern, in Great . Clifeen-street, yesterday, 'oat' twelve-o'clock, Sir T.nomAs BARING,.Bart. in the Chair, The Report was read by the Se cretary,-and gave a Yt4Y - encouraging account . of the' labourrs of. the Society. Since the . last year several :thousand volurneS -of the Scriptures had been sold and dis ributed in various.parts .of rn France, G erany, and Russia; a n d even in Spain some Bibles andre'stainents had been circulated.