The Sun. — London, England, 1839-04-19 00:00:00

EVENING EDITION LORD BROUGHAM. ILcrd Brougham has addressed to the Chairman of the Irtcfing at Edinburgh, where the friends of Ministers wee discomfited, the following letter:— Paris, April 8, 1839. —I have lied the honour of receiving your letter, ,e!osed iesdutious of the Edinburgh meeting : n as I arrive in London, which will be next , if not before, I shall hasten to obey the com m a ad s m e eeting, signified through you. I asst.:re you there was no necessity to apologise for ikrean' conveying them to me. I have an unalterable •t an, 4 aft•etion for the industrious classes of my fel ;:ir•es ; and the refusal of the present Government to h:-rn what I coLsicler their just rights, was the cause, enly cause, of my having been lately compelled to hem. But my life has been devoted to the im. nt cf the working classes, and to helping the pro- Iltform ; and I do not even comprehend how n measure can be so perfect as to admit of no " Sin,— I hope that nothing will occur at Ed;nburgh to split fri_nds of Liberal principles. The Whigs are, for the ;ent very 11%ely in the wrong; but I believe their error !dy judgmt-nt, alld arises from the spirit of party, makes them mistake the means for the end, and sup- L, men whose measures they cannot really approve, . c ; thus, vivo a triumph to their political adversaries. • r e.;l4t whol,!!ia, however, very injurious, even in ,r,y view, for it Las lost them the cenfidence of the lan, Sir, sour obedieat , faittAl servant, " BROUGHAM. To Mr. Rob.7r Douglas." Cri u RC -RA rt ES.-CHRIST CHURCH. - • - TO THE EDITO:I? OF THE SUN. THURSDAY, APRIL 18, 1839. remar l .:s in your Paper of this morning are tf) give a very erroneous impression rezpect t:.,• aet:• n new pendit,g against a fsw of the pa 1-,'ooers ui -Christchurch. nation is strictly a friendly one. 'qr. Pellatt selected et his 4y.vo request. At every step t Clitirtilwarden has submitted his pro3eekUngs to lite Coamitte - k-; who arc disputing the validity of the Ise srit to Dr. Addams, and his opinion 11.43 been pi iced in their hind.t , , and the case t , ) Dr. Phillitnore, and his opiaicn, has been as t to him. 1-r, the Churchwarden, is a Diss•mter, and !y opposed Church-rates in his parish, and Uri! unalte: el on the subject. He was (4lico last E::stcr twelvemonth, by Mr. i:s frie!ds, and they have no right to corn him. for strictly •discharging his duty. .Yret,.!•::iy a Ci:urch-rate, which my bro- .nettvt(i it his duty to ask for, was ob by th Church party, after having Iw,n two cr three years inst. It is the rate, wlrich is now to be tried. Its )uittions of Dr. Addams and Dr. Phi Elmore and it, will be seen very shortly that the ordinary ground:, or involving ilaory support to the Church, but rove Ihcr tile provisions of Stourges Bourne's 5,; applied to this parish, and this refers equally and a!rnost involves the question whether ere ;s :Inch a parish. as Christchurch. !sting your insertion of this letter, I renuin, Sir, Your obedient servant, W. HAWES. TURKEY. STANTINOPLE, MARCH 21.—Within a day or two, the mouth of every one. All hands either be alreet to tielieve, that the gates of war have been rr iirinthcr veer, and to the influence of Russia and I:n7ted is ascribed this new determination of the I may be quite wrong, but I do not put the faith in qipcaranees.. On the contrary, from the very ‘,7. oh' the assurances of all connLcted with the go. It that the alfAir cf Eppt is about to be amicably !, I am rather disposed to imagine that orders :nay ar been sent off to 113kz Pacha to commence bos h case he will put himself in march before ril, when the unlucky month of Men will dly a very full Privy C)uneil was held at )urt at the Rllice), and among others who e Shcihh Islam, who never goes but to as ;;j very im:ortant occasion, where the approba h, bend of the Courch is needful, as when war is Ceta.bi it is that when the Members of the came forth, from the Palace, each bore on his n,lnt-e the moat of care and anxiety, whilst several to fret.ds to Russia and peace. looked es foolish Guns and ammunition continue to be sent off a Minor from Topkbane, where the labourers work 1.1 ( C L !i~~ .1 ii 41 1 , 03 to Aq' 12,1 instant the Duke of Devonshire was pre- PonSonhy to the Sultan, as was Captain v. Mr. Samuel, a r,.l.itive of the R.:tlisehilds,‘ also '1 Le next day the Duke set out on his return t Maha, AChe;o - 4,Covernment steamer, in which tuu rrjrct, d English naval officers, Captains Massie, ;tr.cf-F-note, also went off. 6.i.tlitv Walker has not yet fully entered upon hi 3 func ti,tns as instructor-general to the Ottoman navy. Apart ulyn's hart:been prepared for him at the arsenal, where he We have :,ad a trifling change in our dragomanic do :•nt. Mr. E. Pisani, who had for }ears past been ;tore work than all the other interpreters put toge or a pally pay of 801 per annum, has had his salary to loTt It; instead of England he was serving , snd toilet as ho does, he would be receiving, at st, 4001 to aOO/. 'fix office of Masroufat Nasiri, Commissary. General, bi e s surpresstd, and the duties of the department alto getlr have been m?de over to the Seraskier Pacha. \%e have news from Cireassia to the 13th inst. The have done nothing during. the whole winter; t . .ey b , _!en prisoners in their fortresses, and die away li:.. b. w trtoy has been declared by the - French Am. ) swilic:mded until fresh instructions can be rc fro::: Fr a e. paper was scarce to-day, and the exchange rose to 10 i - After Change, however, good signatures could have he:k. hR.d rather lower. The Capitan Pacha is going again to the Dardanelles in a few d,, 4-3. Ile returned from thence on the 22d, and left friend, the Russian Colonel of Engineers, to go on strengtlicning the fortresser. WIGAN ELECTION COMMITTEE The Cemmittee met yesterday at eleven o'clock, and pre cecried with the scrutiny. At four o'clock, four voters lad been struck off the poll of the Sitting Member, and four off that of the petitioner's, letvirg both parties on an equality. '1 he Commicee then adjourned till tb-morrow. Si!IPPING INTELLIGENCE. (LLOYD'S.) Lv, APRIL I6.—The MatiningtreePacket, Burgess, Harwich to Liverpool, - was driven into this port on Lt )2-h instant ; leaky, and with pumps choked, and pro cePd, d yesterday after discharging part of her cargo. DUBLIN, APRIL 16.—The Demerara, Millar, bcund to mcrara, which put back after striking on the Mugglino rocks, has not received any injury, and will proceed to morruw. WA.TERPORD, APRIL 15.—The Ellen of Milford, Harris, wllich %VIM on shore on Leeds Bank, floated off this morn ing without any material damage, aft2r discharging part of 'cr cargo, - HULL, APRIL I7.—An Austrian barque, an Austrian and a Danish sloop have come to anchor off Marfieet. 'AEY., APRIL- 15.—The Doris, Fell, bound to Gaspe, ck, having sprung a leak. u LI.'.IZTLEPOOL, AFAIL 15T—The Friends' Adventure, of ; :azyl, is leaving that port on the 12th inst., struck Le,ivily on the bar; she has been. assisted into this har b,ur, _making a great deal of water, and laid on the shore with keel much damaged, and must discharge to repair. CALAIS„Inif, 17.—The William, Archer, from Lcith to Datikirk, is on shore two miles eastward of this place, bet expected to be got off. The Adler, Diericks, from ran to Baltimore, remains on shore in a very danger =i;uatioa. and with six feet water in the hold. GLNUA, APRIL 11.—A three-masted vessel, laden with plaeks, wino, and flour, dismasted and abandoned, was pass. d oil the 19tli ult. in lat. 36. long 5 (meridian of Ca'iz), by the Ipanema packet. SYEA, APP.:L I.—The Syren, Foster, which arrived Ito Q 111;:. 21st ult., from Liverpool, has discharged part of her ins damaged state. HoNeunAs, MARCH 25.—The Prince Regent, Stirling, b 'cud to Cork, was wrecked on the 12th instant, at Ulloa 13.1 r, during a gale at N.—crew saved. Kellie Castle, Johnstone, from Calcutta to Canton, was wrt , ckccl on the Louisa S:ioal, in the China seas, 14th of Nowt-Taber—crew saved, and part of the cargo expected The Kellie Castle was erroneously stated to have arriv, d at Canton, in the list, the 901 of March. VESSELS SPOKEN WlTH. —Great Western (steamer), Bristol to New York, 31 inst., lat. 43, long. 8., ( Wind W. N. W., blowing, a gale, with a heavy sea) by the M :r;,-,lret Johnson, arrived at Liverpool; John Hale, cf Po'tsrunu!ll, N.ll, , 6th inst., lat. 41. long. 21. ; Sirus cnd Charlotte, Liverpool to Quebec, 9th, I •ng. 15, by the Irvine, arrived at Liverpool ; bl-, of London, befund to Mauritius, lat. 39. long. y e John, arrived off Scilly; Sarah, Honduras to if S3uthern Four Keys, by the Silburn, Clarke, rl at Honduras ; Willem Ernst, Wittebol, Amster the Cipe of Good Hope, 2d inst., lat. 48. N., 7. W. Grceleck, TRADE WITH CHINA. Extract of a letter, dated Canton, Jan. 1 :—" 4 P. m. Th e trade is to be resumed this evening." NOTICE-TO MARINERS. CN THE ISLAND OF MOUDJOCK, NEAR ARCH. ANGEL. The lit d-ographic Department of the Imperial Minis trj of tile Navy h ere b y g i vea not i ce , th a t i n order to faci l'",'l, to ships tile ertranee of the northern branch of the 14 ' i "' a stone lighthouse has been built on the island o f Mi,tirAils, near' Archangel. Its height, from the base to t'o , _. t7ii of the lant ern , is 130 English feet, and its cleva tion :.bergs t'lel?vel o f tile sca is 1401 English feet. 11‘is ti L h t h ouse is situated in 64 deg. 54 min. 43 sec. ...`it z j th latitude, an 1 43 deg. 16 min. 50 sec. East longi tud • !ruin Oreenwich, and will exhibit a fixed light during .. , , :11:rilis of August, Sloternber, and October of each '''w light will be seen by an übsnvcr clevated i • , ,Lb I,,ct above the sea, at the distance of l 7 nauti t -- " .' , l • t-L-t nen N.N.W„ round by the West, to ' -• , • .. 6- , IL '; '3' The next motion was that of Mr. PITKEITHLEY, that the resolution, appointing Friday as Committee-day be re scinded, and 614 Saturday be the Committee. day, so that the Convention sit on Fr:day. He thought that, as the Delegates were sent there by the hard-working classes, they ought to sit as often as possible. The Com mittees on Friday, moreover,were very poorly attended. If it were known that the general business would be transacted on Fridays, delegates would perhaps attend better. Mr. F. O'CoNNoR said he should give a direct negative to the motion. He thought that if the Convention sat .lion days, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursday?, and really did business on those days, they would be sufficiently occupied. If there were arrears of business, Friday might be necessary But at present he considered the first four days of the week were quit,: enough for the business which the Con vention had to perform. The Delegates were not sent there by their constituents merely to sit a certain num ber of days, but to do the business well.—(Hear, hear, hear.) He could speak feelingly on this point. He had never missed attendance one day a hile ho was in London or the neighbourhood. But his business imposed upon him other duties. He had to travel all Wednesday night, to remain up all Thursday night, and travel back on Saturday night, in order to attend the Con vention. He received no salary from his constituents, though he had been offered it ; he refused it because he did not require it, and he thought it might better be devoted to those who did.—(Hear, hear, hear.) As it was, he had to neglect his business at Leeds, and to incur an expense of 121. or 141. per week.— ( Hear, hear.) It would be a very great hardship upon him to attend on Friday, though he would at any personal cost or inconvenience if he thought it at all necessary, which he did not.—( Hear, hear.) He also opposed the motion because he thought it unwise now to rescind a re solution passed at an earlier period of the Convention, when business was more pressing ; and it would be too much like the bad practice of the House of Commons, in passing a vote one day and rescinding it the next.— (Hear, hear.) Mr. BURNS opposed the motion. He had no objection to attend the Convention every day in the week if it were necessary, but he did not think the business of the Con vention required more than the first four days of the week. —( Hear, hear.) Mr. SMART said he bad never been absent from the Convention. But he objected to the motion, because he did not think the Convention had business to occupy their time more than four days in the week.—(Hear ' bear.) Besides, look at the situation of the respected Secretary (Mr. Lovett) who, as it was, had to give up a great deal of his natural rest—sitting up to 1,2, or 3. in the morning, to get through the heavy arrears of the Convention busi ness. —( Hear. ) Mr. DEEGAN also opposed the motion. He thought it ought to be considered that the members of the Conven tion bad to attend a great many public meetings.—(Hear, hear.) He was at one' last night, when Mr. Pitkeithley was advertised to appear, but was absent.—( Loud cries of Hear, hear.) Mr. CARDO thought it would be advisable, if possible, to 'induce the Committee to attend better on Fridays—( Hear) but he must oppose this motion as unnecessary.—( Hear.) Dr. M‘Dotteee must oppose the motion in a medical point of view. —(A laugh, and hear, hear.) The Mem bers of the Convention really must look to their health, and endeavour to get a little fresh air one or two days in the week, or they would speedily be knocked up.—( Hear.) Mr. MILLS said Members of Committees ought to be compelled to attend.—( Hear.) Mr. MARSDEN expressed a similar opinion; but both op posed the motion as uncalled for The SECRETARY (Mr. Lovett) said ho bad to devote Friday night and Saturday, up to very late hours, to get through the arrears of his business, which were sufficiently oppressive.—( Hear, hear.) There were great numbers of correspondents to be answered.:—( Hear, hear.) Besides, Friday had been set apart for waiting upon Members of Parliament, and putting on record their opinions—a duty which very few members of the Convention had perfumed. —( Hear, hear.) Mr. NEESOM should resist the motion, because he did not think it would remedy the evil complained of, which was the non-attendance upon Committees. As to waiting upon Members cf Parliament he had been appointed—first, with - Mr. Vincent and then with Dr. Wade, to perform that duty, but he need hardly say that neither of those Members had attended to it; and he onlywaited till some other was appoint.. ed with him, he not having the courage to act by himself. The CHAIRMAN said be must give his voice against the motion, which he did not believe was necessary, and at the same time he must mention that Mr. Pitkeithley had at least been absent from Committees lately.—( Hear. ) Mr. PITKEITHLEY said that was frhm urgent business. He certainly would never have brought forward the motion had it not been for the non-attendance on Committees. He hoped that at least the Convention would, by rescinding the resolution appointing Friday as Committee day, leave it open to sit on that day if necessary. The vote was then taken, and the motion lost, only three hands being held up for it. The motion of Mr. Taylor next came on—That in order to maintain the character of the Convention for purity and integrity, no Member who had voted for Mr. Deegan's re solution, to send itinerant missionaries into the country be allowed to receive any money from the Convention funds for their expenses in such missions. Mr. F. O'CoNeort opposed the motion, because it would tend to throw upon the Convention suspicion ; and ho thought that the character of the Convention ought to be free from doubt. To pass this motion would be to afford ground at least for a supposition that it was consi dered there was some apprehension of suspicion—and he did not wish to afford ground for such a feeling. ( Hear, hear.) He thought no imputation should be cast upon any Member of the Convention for any course which he might deem fit for the welfare of tho Convention to adopt, even though it involved money matters.—( Hear, hear.) And as he had voted for Mr. Deegan's resolu tion, he could not vote for the present motion, which would, in his opinion, be throwing a censure on himself.— ( Hear, hear.) Mr. DEEGAN considered that the motion implied that he, in bringing forward his resolution for sending out into the country missionaries, had not been actuated solely by a desire to enlighten the public, but by a wish to create a machine from which he might derive employment.—( No, no, and. hear, hear.) He thought no Member had a right to cast such an ungracious imputation upon him—though be considered that the misionaries of that Convention had as much right to remuneration for their services as any body else.—( Hear. ) Mr. SKEVINGTON and Mr. HALLEY opposed the motion, as did Mr. BURNES, who said at the same time that he should never receive any money from the Convention. —( Hcar.) Mr. SMART and Dr. M‘DorIALL likewise opposed the motion. Mr. CARPENTER said he thought there was too much time consumed in the Convention in discussing the ques tion of suspicion respecting money matters, in which suspicion, as he believed there was no ground for, so neither did he believe that it was entertained by any one. —( Cheers.) He should oppose the motion. Mr. TAYLOR replied. - The question was then put by the Secretary, the names of the different Members f,r and against the motion were then taken down, and The CHAIRMAN declared the motion to be lost. TAKING DIVISION 3. Mr. ROGERS brought upthe Report of the Committee appointed to devise mere efficient means for taking divi sions. The following was the report : "The Committee appointed to devise more efficient means of taking the divisions, so that a clear majority of the Members present be obtained on each question, suggest that on an amendment to any motion being moved the discussion shall be limited to that amendment and the original resolution ; that the discussion being closed the negative and the affirmative shall be put on the amendment, and that if the negative be carried the question be put from the Chair on the original resolution ; when it shall be competent for any other Member to move another amendment, which shall be disposed of in the same manner ; and that every other amendment being so disposed of, the affirmative and negative be put on the ' original resolution. • Mr. F. O'CONNOR moved that the Report be received, printed, and acted upon. Mr. &gain. seconded the motion. Mr. LOVETT did not think that the Convention would find the present recommendation so convienient as the plan already adopted ; its effect would be to increase the discussion. _ _ _ IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS, Arizrz, 18. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool- sack shortly after Five o'Clock. Lord LME SBU It Y presented a petition from the Lie of Wight against any further grant to the College of Maynooth. Lord FALKLAND presented a petition from London derry, praying that Presbyterian Soldiers might not be compelled to attend the Established Church. Mr. BERNAL and others brought up the Designs Copy right Bill, and several other Bills. Lord ROSE BE RY presented a petition from Linlith gow, against any repeal of the Corn-laws. A peti tton from Ayr, praying for a repeal of the Corn laws, and tbnt a fixed duty might he substituted. A petition from Stiding and another place, praying for the adoption of Mr. Rowland Bill's plan of postage. A petition from Stirling, praying their Lordships to take measures to have the C.iledonian Canal corn- Mr. ROGERS felt convinced, notwithstanding what had been stated by Mr. Lovett, that the adoption of the resolu tion would facilitate the business of the Convention. Mr. B. O'lini.ss agreed with Mr. Lovett that the reso lution instead of facilitating would obstruct the business of the Convention. Mr. CARPENTER must oppose the plan of Mr. Lovett. After some observations from Mr. Burns, Mr. Deegan, Mr. O'Connor, and Mr. Marsden, Thy Report was deehred to be carded unanimously. DELEGATE FOR EAST SUSSEX. pieced. A petition from the county of A}r, in favour of a national plan of e location, not confined to any parti cular sect. A petition from the county of Ayr, praying for the ad•ption •of election 3 of n, , rnbers of Parliament by B ; and a petition from Queensfary against any forth,r endowment to the Scotch Church. Lord RODEN presented several petitions from places in Ireland, praying for the adoption of a system of national education according to the principles of the Protestant Church. COMMITTEE ON CRIMES IN IRELAND. -Lord ROD EN slid he would take this opportunity o' stating a few words respcctiag the Committee which had been formed by their Lordships far the investigation of crime in Ireland. lie was anxious t o t a k e t hi s oppor tunity of referring- to the circumstances in the presence of Noble Lords whom he saw opposite, because it had been stated in another place in thet the Commit tee was com p ose d of a number as 13 to spoint of political o pi n i ons u p on the matters to be .now investigat.d. That, however, Lad been immediately set right by a . Right lion. Gentleman reading to the House of eta:mons ten names of Noble Lords opposite, who were originally appointed en the Committee. But this Committee had assumed much—too much importance in the eyes of the country, in consequence of the course Neble Lords had taken, fur him to allow it to go forward for one moment, that an inquiry of so grave a kird was likely to be submitted to a Committee of a doubtful character, without giving chat statement the flattest contradiction. For his own part it mattered not to him what names were put on the Committee—all he was anxious for was, that the Committee should be cern oeed of individuals, whose object would be to take a just view of the sub jects to be submitted to them. The Committee had alrea ly met twice. It mot on the day after its appointment, on which occasion i.s Chairman was chosen. It met again and summoned thirty wit nesses to attend after the vacation. On neither of those occasions did airy of the Noble Lords on the other side of the House attend, and he was now anxious to inquire cf the Noble President of the Couecil, who was upon that Committee, whether it was or was net the intention of Noble Lords on the other side to attend the proceedings of that Committee, because it was neces sary that the Committee should be filled up by persons in whom the country should have confidence. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, the Noble Lord was cm tainly irregular in putting his question. In a Par liarneetary sense the Noble Lord had no right to put a question to any Noble Lord in that House as to his inten tion to attend that House, or any Committee of the House. Having stated this, he hub, ho Never, no hesitation in answering the question of the Noble Earl. He (the Noble Marquis) was not in the House at the time the Committee was appoMted, having be, n obliged to 'save the House in consequence of iii health before the appointment took place. Had he been in the House at that time he should have stated then what he would state new, that it was not his in tention to attend that Committee ; and he believed he could say as much on behalf of his Noble Friend who was near him, who also was in her Mejeely's service. The ground on which he felt he should best consult his own sense of duty by abstaining from attendance on that Committee was, that he was perfectly convinced that that Committee had unjustly and unnecessarily assumed e character diretly against the administration of his Noble Friend the Noble Marquis who sat near him, to all the acts of which lie (the Marquis of Lansdowne) felt himself to have been a con senting party ; and if there was anything that could remove all doubts . on that subject, it would be that that Committee had been constituted confinirtt its it quiry to , the specific yea rs o f the Administration of his Noble Friend, and purposely and directly excluding from that Committee all inquiry into the remote causes of crime in Ireland, which in any fair inquiry it would he im possible to disconnect from the state of Ireland at this time. He should only add that he could only speak for his Noble Friend near him and himself. He could not speak for any other Noble Lord. Lord E L L ENBOROUG II said that as a member of that Committee he must deny altogether that it was a Committee of a criminative na'ure—it was of an itiquisi torial nature ; but he should feel it to be his duty to exa mine all the witnesses who came before the Committee judicially, and to give his opinion upon what transpired perfectly impartielly. Lord BROUGHAM, who had entered the House a few minutes before, said, I must also, as I took a part in the motion for the appointment of that Committee, say a few words upon what has been said out of doors—l won't say in this House, but out of doors, and I have a perfect right to advert to that—most grossly re presented. I, with my Noble Friend opposite, deny it is a Committee of a criminative nature, unless indeed that word is taken in the Latin meaning of Government, that it is inquisitorial ; and it is inquisitorial certainly. As to its being confined to three years, when did that light break in upon my Noble Friend. It was an objection to the Noble Lord's motion that it was confined to three years. It was so stated; but why did not my Noble Friend move an amendment in that respect ? If he had moved such an amendment how does he know that any person in this House would have objected to its bring extended further back ? I, for one, should not, I am sure—( Hear, hear)---and as to our being prevented front probing the causes of what has happened during the last three years, I should like to see the man who would prevent me from probing into these causes, even if I found they had gone back for thirty years. I am the more disposed to deny that this Committee is of a criminative na ture, because I have heard it said that I stated the vote of that night was a vote of censure on the Noble Marquis. I never said any thing of the kind—l never said any thing like it. I said something different-_I said something op posite.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) I said that a prima facie case was made out, which called for an answer ; just as a judge says to a counsel or a defendant, there is a prima facie case made out against you, and you must go to a Jury. So I said, "you must answer that prima . facie case or the vote will go against you." But because I said that a prima facia case was made out, I said I was for inquiry on the subject; and it would be unjust, I add, d— that it would be unjust and premature to say that it was a vote of censure. Now, I hope that the Noble Marquis will find the result of the inquiry tole an acquittal. He cannot more desire to have that acquittal than I wish it for him.—( Hear.) And notwithstanding I said 'o before, still I am represented _as having stated that it was a vote of censure. So that the only' error committed b y those ve r y accurate historians of that d e bate, is, that they have confounded a trial with a conviction—an inquiry with a conclusion—an accusation with a sentence —( Hear)—and they have done it after pairs have been taken to prevent them f rom d o i ng so ; because. it was done after I had expressly said..—‘ , mind I don't sentence— mind I don't pronounce, but I only call for inquiry " ( Hear, hear.) And then it is said, forsooth, that this House has come to a conclusion aga i nst the Noble Marquis without inquiry —( Hear, hear)—when all that the House has done has been t o enter on an in quiry, and to hope that there may be n o conc l us i on; clearly showing that in some families, at least, reasoning— reasoning, if not reason—is not h er idi tary.—( M uc h laughter and cheering.) The Marquis of L NSDOWNE said the objection had not been literally taken, but it was solemnly ass e rt e d by t h e Noble Lord that a motion , limited to the period of his government in Ireland, would no t he objected to, if it were extended to a longer time—if the Noble and Learned Lord and the Noble Earl opposite would a g ree to it ; neither, however, of the Noble Lords attempted to move that ob jection by agreeing to an extension of th e period of inquiry, which was generally desired. Lord BROUGHAM said lie had no reason to know that the Noble Farl opposite would agree to such a motion. In saying so, be only judged from his knowledge of his usual candour, for he had not had the slightest communi. cation with the Noble Earl Lord WH A RNCL IFFE expressed his surprise and regret that the Noble Lord opposite (Lansdowne) and other Noble Friends of his should loom absented themselves from the Committee, instead of attending to de. fend th e i r co ll eague w hile a grave matter of inquiry re specting his condtict was proceeding ; it seemed that not only. the Members of the Cabinet but other Noble Lords had d e t erm i ne d to l eave the inquiry exclusively in the hands o f t h ose w h o h a d promoted it. No w this would not be fair towards the House or the country.. On his s id e o f t h e H ouse , they desired nothing but a fair investigation, and he had made up his mind to be influ enced only by the evidence that should be adduced. But if the members of the Government would not favour the inquiry by their presence, lie must find other men who would endeavour to do justice. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that with respect to the propitetV o f hi s con d uc t in point of fairn e ss to his Noble Friend, ho could not be much affected by the ad verse opinion of the Noble Lord opposite while he had the approbation o f th e N o bl e M arqu is in abstaining from bein g present at the Committee ; in fact he had best consulted the feelin gs o f t h e N o bl e M arq uis, by not in any degree countenan c i ng an inquiry which he was sure was an unfair inquiry, and w hi c h just, , if it was meant to be should ex tend to the whole of Ireland, and should trace the origin of thos e cr i mes wh i ch unhapp il y pre vailed in that country to a cert a i n extent, but less than forme rl y . In abstaining from attending on this Committee, he (Levi Lansdowne) believed he should be best consulting the feelings of his friend the Noble Marquis. . Lord ELLENBOROUGH thought that his Noble Friend should be informed by Noble Lords whether they intended to attend on a Committee. And if the Noble Marquis (Lansdowne) and another Noble Lord opposite, would not attend, two other Noble Lords of the same po litics had better be selected. The Earl of GOSFORD said be did not mean to at. tend upon th e C omm i ttee , b eca use he saw no public good which could arise from it. The Marquis of NORNIANBY remarked that it had been stated in th e course o f the present discussion that h e was to consid er hi mse lf as persona lly involved in this in quiry, which was not the line taken in the former debate, because then it was stated that the attack was directed against the Government.—( Hear, hear.) His 'objection to the Committee was in a great measure that it was narrowed to the pe r iod when be was Chief Govere riot' iii Le see ; cd ee leeitintt tet.ese el-Jed:v. to the motion, he found a still stioiigvr uoj,,eti on 50 for the Committee was a pp o i n ted to inquire into the Mr. B. O'BRIEN then rose to make the motion of which he had given notice, that a Delegate should be sent out to East Sussex to assist the Chartists in that part of the county in their laudable exertions to agitate and organise the peo ple of East Sussex in support of the People's Charter. It I was not his desire that a permanent missicn should be sent out to East Sussex, or any where else, but he thought that as it was desirable that a Delegate should be sent to that part of the coast,end as it was impossible he could go himself, haviog to attend his own constituents, the Convention would not hesitate a moment to send out a temporary De legate. It was true it might be said that Mr Osborne was a most effective Delegate there, but believing that new faces had a most powerful effect in the country, he trusted the Convention would et once accede to the motion. He had great pleasure in stating that the most active exertions were la..!ing made, over the whole of Sussex, both east and west, to organise the people there, and those exertions had been so far crowned with success that the people on the whole line of that coast were forming tkemselves into Associbtions. —( Cheers.) Should the Convention think fit to send out a Delegate, he trusted that immediately upon his arrival he would see the heads of the people who were espousing their cause, and that no exertions would be wanting on his part to further the great cause of the people, in which they had embarked.—( Cheers.) Mr. 'O'CONNOR.—No matter how much he wished to save the funds of the Convention, he did think that, on a question where the spread of these doctrines were so much required to be known as in the South of England, he would be trifling with his duty if he withheld his support from this motion. lie thought the money so laid out would be well repaid in the good fruits which it would produce in the minds of the. people down in that neighbourhood. — (Hear, hear.)—He felt convinced that by sending such a person as Mr. Marsden among them, who could detail to them the practical ill effects of the present system of Go vernment, they would soon rally round the standard erected by their fellow-countrymen, and give the cause of liberty most efficient support. Dr. M•DocALL opposed the resolution. Mr. P. TAYLOR would also oppose it. The resolution was passed. It was moved by Mr. NEESOM and seconded by Mr. O'CONNOR, that Mr. Marsden be such Delegate. BIRMINGHAM DELEGATION. Mr. CARPENTER said he was about to propose a resolu tion to the effect that twenty pounds be sent to forward the agitation in the neighbourhood of Birmingham. While doing so he would state what he had done on the Bir mingham mission since he went down on Saturday. He there met Drs. Taylor and Fletcher, and with them made ar rangemeut as to the districts which they would separately take. He went to Worcester. where he-met the editor of a Radical Newspaper, who told him that great efforts were made to keep down Radicalism by the. parsons and land lords, and in this place they had two Bishops dwelling. and it was completely in the hands of the Tories. They engaged rooms, after which they got bills printed, calling a meeting, but the landlord gave them notice that he had been told if he gave his room his licence would be refused at: the next Session time. They next applied for the room at the Race Course, which they had obtained and there held a meeting which was numerously attended, so much so that it was obliged to be adjourned to the open air. The spirit of the people was so great that from its being a late hour and quite dark, no other mode of affirm ing the resolution could be had but by shouting, which mode they continued to act upon, on the resolution being put, in such a manner as to produce consternation to some few Tories who were present.—( Hear, hear.) From Wor cester they went to Evcsham where they found the people in a complete state of ignorance of Charter principles. They went then to Leamington, where they were informed by a Mr. Lavell, that all the material of Radicalism was in being at Leamington, if properly brought out. He went then to Coventry, when he found the people in great apathy, and was told that it would require some time t ) get up a meeting there. With regard to the resignation of the Birmingham Delegates, the people there were glad that they had resigned.—( Hear.) Had they not done so the cause of Radicalism might have suffered materially. He had no doubt, from the present measures adopted by the Provisional Committee, the great meeting to be held on Monday next would elect Delegates worthy of the people of Birmingham. Mr. .Carpenter concluded by calling on the Convention to vote the sum of ea for carrying on the agitation, Mr. O'BRIEN seconded the proposal of Mr, Carpenter. Mr. O'CoNNoa said that the case made out by Mr. Carpenter was a very bad one. If we vote away money to agitate places which have not yet been agitated, the people will have a suspicion that we are not yet prepared for obtaining those measures which we seek. This would be a very fallacious view of the case. With regard to Drs. Taylor and Fletcher being in want of funds to complete the good work they had begun, he thought that those gentlemen should have asked for an extension of time, as was their duty, and as was ruled by the Convention.—( Hear, hear.) If we come one day to a vote and the next day rescind that vote, what will be thought of our actions by the country ?—( Hear, hear.) We got on hitherto without the assistance of those places which now claim this grant for organizing themselves into associations. Their business was not to begin to reclaim land, but to spend money on what has been already re claimed.—( Hear, hear.) It is their duty to go forward with their claims, supported by York and Lancaster, and there was scarcely a doubt of their succeeding. If we go on with the aid of the 1,600,000 men who have signed the petition, it will matter little whether, we get the limping assistance of any other portion of the country.—( Hear, hear.) Their enemies knew what was their high position without going further with this work. Was not this evident from the altered tone of the Chronicle and Sunday Times, who were holding out a bait, and which bait would be withdrawn if they found the people of those great coun ties should desist in the least from the demonstration which they had hitherto made ?—( Hear, hear.) To keep up the dignity of the Convention, and that its rules might not be infringed by any of its members, he would oppose Mr. Carpenter's motion, and propose the following amendment in its stead. Mr. O'Connor read the amend ment, which was to the following effect :—" That the Convention see no necessity to rescind their former vote made on this subject." Mr. PITKEITIILEY seconded the amendment. Mr. BIiSSEY supported the resolution of Mr. Carpenter, for the same reason that he voted the other day for the motion of Dr. Taylor, namely—That no expence ought to be spared in a g itating the Midland Districts._ ( Hear, hear.) He attached more interest to agitation of the the Midland Districts, than to any other portion of the country. He was astonished to hear Mr. O'Connor say so much against this vote, when he had but a while ago voted for a Missionary to be sent into Sussex. Were not those Delegates sent down to Birmingham on the same conditions as were the fifteen Delegates formerly sent out, and, therefore, should not this be left to their own discre tion, as were the others ?—( Hear, hear.) It was time enough to ask for the account of their disbursements from the gentlemen who went down to Birmingham, when thee returned from the mission. And when they did return, by felt convinced that their account of their mission would be such as to reflect credit on themselves, and add to the success of the cause in which they were all embarked. Mr. BURNS said it would be time enough to make an application for an increase of funds to what had been al ready voted for their mission, when the Convention knew what had been done.-4 Hear, hear.) Mr. CARPENTER replied. The CHAIRMAN put Mr. O'Connor's amendment, which was carried by a majority of ten. Mr. O'CoNNoe proposed and Mr. DEEGAN seconded a motion, that Dr. M•Douall get leave of absence for one week, Which, after some objection by Mr. ROGERS and others, was carried in the affirmative. Upon the motion of Mr. WARDEN, seconded by Mr. HARTWELL, the thanks of the Convention were voted to Mr. Frost for his dignified conduct in the chair, passed with acclamraation, upon which the Convention dissolved. We regret to notice the death of John Galt, the author, which event took place at Greenock on Thursday r. he had been for some years much indisposed from a suc cession of paralytic shocks. Latterly, we fear his circum stances were anything but easy. SCO TC II JUDG ES H I P.—We hear that Lord C- 27 ,•t tcur o r'signed. His successor on the Beret! is Fo t yet named; but, ate presume, ttie Lord Advocate, if he bo disposed to prefer his claim, will have his claim to fill the vacancy so occasioned admitted. THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY. APRIL 19, iS39 state of Ireland from 1835 with reference to crime and outrage, which have rendered. life and property insecure in that part of the empire ; that was assuming that it was since that period that life and property had been rendered insecure in Ireland, and that was distinctly at variance. with the best of all prima facie evidence—the return of the officers employed in the administration of justice. lie (the Marquis of Normanby) would be wjlling- that his Government should be compared in this respect with any fur years of any Irish Government, and he was persuaded that the result of the comparison would be favourable to his Admini,tration. It would seem, from what had fallen from his Noble Friend, that the inquiry was to enter into the exercise of the prerogative .of mercy, and he would ask their Lordships this question—whether such an inquiry were important or not? If it were important, how did it happen that their Lord ships did not inqnire into the subject during the whole of the period when he was Chief Governor in Ireland, al though the charges had been brought forward by the Noble Etri opposite (Roden) and another Nob!e Lord at a great meeting in Dul,lio, at which they were di s ti ne uished by the violence of their denunciations against the Government and also by t' -, e ex!raordinary vehemence of their persrmal de meanour ?—( Hear.) It on the other hand the inquiry were not important, he could but think that the whole prone •d -ings pn-took somewhat of the nature of a personal attack. He would now move, though not with reference to the in quiry before their Lordships, for a return of the number of re-committals upon offenders discharged, before the expira tion of the sentence by the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, • between the 12th of May, 1535, and the 15th of Feb. 1839, specifying the original offence charged, and the conviction which had taken place upon the subsequent charge. By that return be would consent to he judged by their Lordships arid the country, with reference to his exercis? of the prerogative of mercy which had been the subject of such persevering misrepresentation—though of course in their Lordships arising from misinformation. The Earl of RODEN said he had no rrsonal motive towards the Noble Marquis in the motion which he had brought forward ; the Nob!e Marquis had no right or reason to make such an imputation, and he (the Earl of Roden) would not be deterred from the discharge of his duty by such accusation. He was convinced in that Committee the Noble Marquis's case would receive the most careful at tention, and any statements which the Noble Marquis might make would be impartially considered. Ile had li mited his motion to the Government of the Noble Mar- quis, because it was of the acts of that Noble Marquis's Government that he complained, but if any Noble Lord had moved the extension of the inquiry to any former period he would not have oppost'd it. The Marquis of NORMANDY said he remembered House and the public. He did not like to reject a clause that had been proposed by the other House of Parliament, but be certainly thought that the House ought to have a fair opportunity of discussing this question fully. The Bishop of SALISBURY considered that this and other irregularities which were degrading to the Church arose from a mode of legislation which he bz.lieved to be equally unconstitutional and inconvenient. All the diffi culties which bad arisen,had arisen from the Suspension Act, which this Act referred to, and which had now been renewed during three successive Ses , ions; In his opinion, the best mode of dealing upon this question would be to tally to repeal the Suspension Act The Earl of WICKLOW said whether the Noble Viscount postponed this clause, or pressed it upon the House now, he should equally object to it. He objected upon principle to either House of Parliament adding a Clause to a Bill totally unconnected with the subject of that Bill itself. lie should certainly object to the clause in this form, whenever it was brought forward. The Marquis of SALISBURY considered that the House ought to be summoned on the present occasion, and, therefore, perhaps the Noble Viscount would post pone the father consid: ration of it. Lord MELBOURNE thought there was no use in postponing it. It was but a very small matter. There might bo somethin g in the point of fn - m, but nothing of importance. With respect to their being any coaccalntent about the matter, there was nothing ed the sort, and there had been ample opportunities given, in both Houses of Par. liatnent, for the discussion of the matter.—(" No, no.") The Noble Duke opposite seemed to speak of this as ic there was something of a discreditable nature about it. It was well known that inconvenience had been suffare.l by the delay which had been unexpectedly occa►ioned by the Bill which had been passed, and this was to remedy that evil. It was admitted that it was to carry into fleet the arrangement for the Deanery of Ex -ter. It would unques tionably, in his opinion, be better to carry this into effect, in the mode proposed by the House of Commons. At the same time, as the ohj+•ctions to it seemed to be felt so strongly, he did not thick it was necessary for him to per severe farther with it at present. The Duke of WELLINGTON, could not agree that full opportuniiies of discussing the subject bad been afforded. For his own Fart, he never beard a word about it, until just now. that it had 'always been considered that tilt N.,ble Earl (Roden) at the meeting in Dublin to which he had alluded. hat commenced the proceedings by waving an o:atige handkerchid —( Hear, hear.) THE LIBERTY OF THE PRESS IN MALTA. The Bishop of SALISBURY would prefer the repeal of the whole Act, and if the present anomalous state of things were allowed to continue he was afraid many reme dies would hare to be prop )sed. The Bishop of EXETER said, that if the Crown re commcnded the appointment of one of the present Canons residentiary the matter would be brought to an instant corclusion. The MAN iis of SALISBURY—I think I understand the Noble Viscount to say he vbill not persevere in his amendment. Lord MELBOURNE—Certainly not. The consideration of the amendment was then post poned till this day week ; and the House adjiurned at a Quarter past Seven o'Clock. Lord BR()UG HAM said he wished to put a question to the Noble ',Marquis at the head of the Colonial Depart ment. In 1536 a proclamation had been isared in Malta, and groat credit had been taken by the Govern ment for removing the censorship of the press; and this had given unbounded satisfaction. N)w he found that a certain order had been issued, and before he grounded any resolution upon it he would ask the Noble Marquis whether it were correct. He wished to know whether this draft had been approved of, and whether it was now or had been the law since the 16th January. And secondly, he wished to know whether the Government were aware of what that most incredible document contained. It was called a law for establishing the liberty of the press ; but restead of that it was a law under which no press could stsn iat all. It was a document full of the most gross eh sunlities. By it any person was liable to twelve months imprisonment for censuring any individual in his private capacity, so that if any person was to call another who hid been found guilty in an action for trim. con. an adulterer, or a drunkard, or a felon, supposing him to have been convicted before a jury, be might be convicted of censuring him—(Laughter)—or he might say that he did not approve of the style of his dress—that he did not like his handwriting, cr that he did not approve of the manner in which he drew up ordinances.—( Laughter.) Any or• all of these would be censuring the individual, and the party so disapproving. if it were considered to defame the individual, was liable to twelve months' imprisonment. It went further, and said if any person caused or did anvthine that tended to cause a publication—but more extraordinary still, if by the omission of any person there was any ten doney to cause a publication, the party was still ( Lsughter.) Their Lordships would recollect that about a year and a half ago, when the question relative to the Hill Coolies was before the House, a complaint was made that the ordinance respecting them had not been published in the Gazette. Upon that occasion he certainly understood that the Government had pledged themselves that every act of Crown legislation should be made public in this country or laid before both Heuses of Parliament. It had been published in Malta two or three months ago, and it had only been brought under his notice that morning by the elder of one,of the Courts. It was seldom that he saw foreign Gazettes or newspapers, and unless such legisla don were published in this country it was imposeible to Fay what absurd or extraordinary laws might be made. He wished to knew whether this proclamation were law, and if so, upon whose recomm , ndetion it had been made? whether it was the production of a certain commission which had been lately appointed; and whether it was to .te understood that the Government would promulgate all new laws for Crown colonies in this country. The Marquis of NORM ANBY said the question was one of a very delicate nature, - and was still under the con sideration of the Government. Lord BRO LIG HAM__\Yes he then to understand that it was not the law of Malta? The Marquis of NORMANBY—It has not yet been disallowed. Lord BROUGHAM—Then it is in fact the law of Malta? The Earl of RIPON said the Commissioners had-most extraordinarily recommended the abolition of both the offices, without any communication with the Attorney. General or the Chief Justice ; they had reported the offices to be sinecures, without at all examining the parties as to the duties they had to perform. Those trio gentle men had been suspended as being sinecurists. He wished to know if the case had been referred by the Colonial Office to the law officers of the Crown. He further wished to know if those officers were responsible for the nonsense dare orders of the Commissioners. The Marquis of NORMA NBY was understood to say that he should be quite ready to give every information to their Lordships as soon as the inquiry into the case had been concluded. Lord BROUGHAM wished to know whether the Chief Justice had been examined by the Commissioners reapec'ing the duties of his office. The'Earl of RIPON said No; but they had examined other persons very rigorously, and had even threatened to commit them to prison should they prove contumacious. Lord BROUGHAM expressed his astonishment at the summary treatment of the Lord Chief Justice of Malta. Why, the House of Commons would not recommend the dismissal of a tidewaiter in this country without a previous examination. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from Chippenham, Wilts, in favour of penny postage. Lord DUNGANNON laid upon the table returns re spectinw turnpike trusts in England and Wales; and on the metion of the Noble Lord, the Consolidated Funds' Bill was read a third time and passed. Earl STA N HOPE presented a petition from the in habitants of St. Leonard's, Shoreditch, against the Metro pelitan Police Bill. THE DEANERY OF EXETER. HOUSE OF COMMONS, APRIL 18. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. Becket's Name Bill was read a third time. Mr. POULETT THOMSON presented a petition from Mr. B , xter, stating that his name bad been impro. perly used before the Committee on the Manchester and Birmingham Railroad Bill, and that it had been represented to that Committee that the railroad would only pass through one field belonging to him whereas it passed through property belonging to him to a considerable extent; alio a petition from the agent of Earl Ferrer. , , complaining that an undue use of his name had been made before the same Committee. After a f. w words from Mr. AGLIONBY, the SPE MUIR suggested that the petition from the agent of Earl Ferrets should be withdrawn, on account of in formality. Mr. - POULETT THOMSON acquiesced in this suggestion, and moved (as we understood) that the other petition be ref‘rred to the Committee, which was agreed to. Mr. P. THOMSON presented petitions from the Mayor, Aldermen, and Town Council of Manchester, in favour of the Manchester and Birmingham Extension Railway. GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY. Lord WO ItSLEY wished to call the attention of the. House to a circumstance that took place in the Gr9t Western Railway Committee that morn. Mg. TWO Members who had not served on the former Committee had attended, signed the declaration that morning and sat on the Committee, but as there s , erred to be a diff,reace of opinion as to whethcr those M, , mbers could serve upon the Committee when the Bill was recommitted, he wished to have the opinion of the House upon'that subject. It was right that he should state to the House, that had those M.:•mbers not been in attendance a quorum could not have been formed. Mr. S A N FO R D, ouc of the Members alluded to, trusted that as the Committee could not have been formed if they had not attended, the House would permit the Bill to be reported. Mr. BAINES said that precisely the same circumstances had taken place in the North Midland Railway Committee yesterday, and he thought, therefore, that the same course should be adlpted as had been tak,ei in that case. Sir G. STRICKLAND said, that ueless the strict rule was adhered to. that bo Members should sit upon the re committal of a list, but those who had served upon the ori ginal Committee, the whole spirit and meaning of the re gulation of the House would he departed from.—( Hear ) Mr. ESTCOURT and Sir E. KNATCHtSULL (who spoke across the table in rather a low tone of voice) were understood to express a similar opinion. Mr. R. PALMER also spoke in favour of the adherence to the regula'ion of the House. Lord WORSLEY moved that the Hon. Members fur \Vest Somerset and Frome be alio 4ed to act in the case. Mr. P. THOMSON said he thought it should be un derstood that when a Bill was re-committed it should be sent back ti those Members alone who had sat upon the original Committee, otherwise other Members who had not beard the evidence might over-ride the opinions of the original Committee, and destroy the whole spirit of the re gulation of the House.—( Hear.) Mr. AG LIONBY differed from the Right Hon. Gen tleman the President of the Board of Trade, that it would Le desirable to lay down a general lute for the guidance of the House on all future occasions, because the circum stances of each case ought to he stated to the House, when an application was made for the re-committal of a Bill, and the House ought to decide whether or not the Bill should be re-committed to the same Members who served before or to new Members._ The SPEAKER said that according to the former prac tice the Bill was referred to a particular list. 1.11 uho were on that list were Members of the Committee, and the words " List," and " Committee" would cover exactly tie same number of persons. According to the present practice all the persons on the list were competent to serve but the House had in:crposed a new regulation, by which all who were on that list were not entitled to serve unless they complied with a certain condition, which condition was, that they should sign a declaration that they would attend the whole of the proceedings of the Committee. He had no doubt that the word " Com mittee," under the new regulation, applied only to these persons who had quiliLd themselves to serve—( Hear, hear)—but some provision ought to be made to meet the difficulty of there not being sufficient Members to form a quorum.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. SANFORD then moved, that under the speei4 circumstances, the Noble Lord, the Ch ail man of the Great Western Railway Committee should be permitted to re port on Monday next, from the Committee as consti tuted that day.—Agreed to,. Mr. B A INES made a similar m.,tion on the part of the North Midland Railway Committee, which was also agreed to. MANCHESTER EXTENSION RAILWAY. Viscount MELBOURNE moved a 'der use as an amend ment to the Ecclesiastical Revenues' Bill passed last Session by the House of Commons. The object of the clause was to empower Chapters of Cathedrals to elect a Dean from among the Canons residentiary, which elec tion would also create a vacancy amongst the Canons. After a few words from the Bishop of LONDON, in reference to a Bill introduced by himself last bear, to remedy inconveniencies at visitations, and which Bill was passed, The Bishop of EXETER opposed the introduction of the clause, which was only printed upon the 12 h instant, and was expressly framed for the purpose of filling up the vacant Deanery of Exeter. He complained that the clause was brought forward without due notice being given to those most interested. Lord MELBOURNE admitted that this clause had the object in view of the vacurcy of the Deanery of Exeter, and that that Deanery should be filled up in the ordinary course. lie admitted that he had stated to the Chapter of Exeter that there could be no object in view but to preserve the usual course of the Crown, the regularity of proceed ings, and that the legal rights of all parties should be pre served. Unquestionably be did not intend to introduce any clause calculated to interfere with what was already vested and established in the Chapter. nor could it be his intention to press this clause if he could understand that it was contrary to the wishes, or the feelings, or the intentions of the Chapter; but from all the communications be had bad with the Chapter, he understood the Chrpter had no desire but to be able to carry into effect the wishes of the Crown in the usual and regular manner, and that if they could do so they were very willing to take the necessary steps to effect the Crown's recommendation. When he advised her Ma key to appoint Mr. Grills to this Deanery he thongl t he was getting rid of all difficulties. At first he was not aware that it was necessary that the party to be elected shou!cl be a Canon residentiary. The Suspension Bill prevented Mr. Grills being a Canon resickntiary, and this clause was to remove the difficulty. If he were told that the Chapter were against it he would nut persevere in it. The Bishop of EXETER said he bad rot stated that the Chapter of Exeter were against it; he had said they were not fur it. He thought the party ought to be one of the present Canons, and he _ wished to know from the Noble Viscount if he was not aware that if the Crown were to recommend to the Chapter one of the Canons qualified by the statute, they would not, without acknowledging a power in the Crown to compel them, be ready from their own feeling of loyalty, to elect such en individual so recommended ? Lord MELBOURNE believed the Chapter were ready to elect this gentleman, recommended as he was, if they were enabled to do so, and' for the purpose of enabling them to act according to the usual course, this clause was proposed. Mr. MARK PHILLIPS presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce, 11 inehester, in f4vour of the Manchester Exten s ion Line to Stonc and Rugby. The Hon. Member also presented two petitions against the same Bill.—Referred to the lommUtee._ _ The Dover. Deil, and S.todwich R ,adq 1111, was r,t44 a third time, on the motion of Sir; E KNATC lIBUL L. The Newark Gas Bill was read a third time, and passed. Mr. R. SMITE! presented a petition from Colchester, praying for the Penny Postage, according to the plan of Mr. Rowland Hill. Colonel SIBTHORP presented a petition from Lin. coln stating that the p:esent Ministry, ever since ns pointinent, haVdone all in its power to undermine the the Throne.—( Laughter.) They had denied protection to the Protestant Church, and had given encourage ment to every species of vice and immorality—(Laugbter) —and, therefore, they prayed for its immediate dismissal. He heartily concuried in the prayer of the petition. Mr. lIAYTEP presented a petition from Wells .in favour of a penny postage. Similar petitions were presented by Mr. G. Berkeley from places in the county of Gloucester; by Colonel G. Layton, and Captain ‘Vcinyss. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL presented e petition in favour of the Government Plan for Railways in Ireland. Captain PECHE LL presented a petition from a per. son named Goodlad, residing at Brighton, praying fur relief under the Annual Indemnity Act. Mr. LA W presented a petition from the London Clergy against that clause in the Prisons' Regulation Bill. which authorises Justices to appoint teachers dissenting from the Church of England. Mr. WOOD presented a petition from Worcester, complaining of the operation of certain clauses of the Poor Law Amendment Bill. Mr. BR A NISTO N presented petitions from places - in Essex against the abolition of the Cora.laws, and praying for protection to the Established Church in Canada. Mr. LUCAS presented a petition from the High Sheriff and Grand Jury of the county Monaghan, praying for an equal measure of encouragement for railroads in Ireland. He moved that the petition be printed with the Votes, in order to call the attention of the House to the subject on a future occe.son. Mr. E. RICE postponed the motion of which be bad given notice till that day fortnight. Captain PEC HE gave notice that on Thursday next he should move for returns of the number of persons tried and convicted at the several quarter sessions and assizes in England and `Vales ; also a return of the number and names of the seamen in her Majesty's service, with the names of the ships in which they wore serving up to January 1, 1839. The Duke of WELLINGTON thought the House was placed in an awkward situation. He was glad to hear that the Noble Viscount and the Chapter were on such good and accommodating terms with each other. He should have wished, however, to have had some in formation afforded to him upon this subject at an earlier period than at the very moment at which the House was called upon to agree to this clause —( Hear, hear)—which be could not but think was a very great irregularity, and more especially when it was con. netted with this particular arrangement or disposition to a negotiation between the Crown and Chapter of Exeter. —(Hear, hear.) He thought it would he as well for the Crown, for the Chapter of Ex,:i_tzr, (.3 - ,rncd, t t thin clause s%oulcl. all to pass tl'...; ; ;11 Let it be regularly, fully, openly brought before the Mr. HUME stated that he had given notice to the Hon. and Gallant Member of the inteLtion at a convenient op portunity to try Mr. Gurney's new light. That trial had been made u.,on a small scale, at which the Honourable and Gallant Member, notwithstanding - the notice be had received, did not attend ; but the Speaker, together with himself and other Hon. Members, did, and the result of that experiment was, that it was thought desirable that Mr. Gurney should have an opportun it y of trying e effects of his light on the House ; and therefore it was that the present repar iti ,, ns had been made. Sir E. KN ATCHBULL asked at whose expense thole experiments had been made, and by whose auth why Mr. HUME said Mr. Gurney offered to make the ex periment at his own expense, if, when the lights had been tried, the House entrusted him with the lighting of the House. But the Chancellor of the Exchequer had pre ferred so Lr sanctioning the experiment as to allow him 100/. to make the expel intent. Sir F. TRENCH only asked justice.—(Hear, and laughter.) Il now moved— " That the ten branches removed from each lustre dur ing the recess (each holding two candles) be replaced; and that Mr. Rixou be directed to colour the inside of the sh•tdes with di . stemper of the green tint pointed out to him by S:r Frederick Trench." Mr. HUME hoped his Hon. Friend would postpone his motion till the experiments of Mr. Gurney had beep made. Sir F. TR ENC fr— I have lost 60 lights.—( Laughter.) I ain life my Hun. Friend would not think it right to let ef,me before the El Juse in a state of degradation and mutilation.—(Great laughter.) After a few observations from Mr. HUME, the motion was agreed to. JAMAICA. Mr. GODSON wished to ask whether it was the in tention of the Government to go on.with the Jamaica Bill to-morrow—whether they intended to make any opposition to Counsel being heard at the Bar—and if Counsel were heard, whether they would go on with the discussion Mr. LABOUCHERE said it would rest principally with the House to pur-ut what course it pleased. If the discussion on Irish affairs terminated to-eight, it was his" intention to move the second reading of the Jamaica 1311 1 to-morrow, but the Government did not intend to offer any opposition to Counsel being beard. BREACH OF PRIVILEGE. Mr. BARRON said, previous to the Order of the Day being read, he. wished to call the attention of the House to w het he considered to be a breach of privilege. He bad made a statement to the House last night, and there appeared in the Times this morning what purported to be a report of his speech, it, however, was a totally false reports and the comments made upon it were written in a spirit no consistent either with truth or fact. It was stated that bi/ Hon. Friend near him had contradicted his statement re specting the ejeetments in Waterford, which was that 1, 20 tenants bad teen turned out of their holdings between the years 1826 and 1839. Notwithstanding wil t , the Times said be restated the fact, and be h eld in his hand the original ejectment served up on one of the parties, signed by the agent of the Noble Lord to whom he alluded, and involving AO less than fifty-thre e tenures. Mr. DERBY rose to order.—Such a statement should not be made in the absence of the Noble Lord. Lord INGESTRIE rose. Mr. DERBY. begged pardon ; be had not been awar e of his presence. • Mr. BARRON—The Times said that what be had stated was false, and neither he nor- any gentleman in that House could lay under such an imputation. Mr. O'CONNELL—Oh, if it be only in the Times.--• (Laughter.) Mr. BARRON was ready to produce the_oriitto l cjectments ; he was furnished with a list of the names f all the individuals dispossessed, and also the number of in dividuals In each family. The latest to which he had alluded - affected no less than 70 families, comprising 382 duals. The facts acre vouched for by the Magistrate real"' ing ,nearest to the estate, and he was a man who would mos t unnillinglymis-stateanyfact; he was ready to state the nam e of that magistrate, for he wished for no concealment. "e had refrained from stating any names until he bad heel asked for it by the Noble Lord, and then be had stateo them unwillingly, for he thought it highly objectionable 10 inttedoce names into any statement made in that House' If the matter should he properly reported in the Tittles to- , night—(Cries of " Oh, oh,")—he should not move that the printer be called to the bar. Mr. O'CONNELL—If there is no motion I suppos e we must pass on to other business. This Comes of in'" proper rea ling ( Great laughter.) If the W e ' Meinte7 had not read the Times there would have been nothing of this.—(Loud laughter. ) Lord INGESTRIE said that all he had asserted 0 1' that if these tenants were ejected he was eo nfitel ;. they had been removed from their habitations wit h the', own consent, and that a bargain had been made wi th en S " .of them. —(I-fear, hear.) If the Hon. Member In these allusions, he was bond to substantiate the re ' He was ready when he got a perfect knowledge of t he facts to meet the Hen. Member on this and any otitcr ground whenever he liked.—( Hear, hear.) After a few words from Mr. Believe in exp and from Mr. VILLIERS STUART, Lord INGE ST RIE asked the name of the magistrate. Mr. BARRON said he could not name him to the , House, but would give the document to the Noble 14 7 1 in the Library. THE JAMAICA BILL. course of Lord J. RUSSELL said, with regard to the — d be proceeding se--morrow, as far as he was concerne halation, seould Le will.ng to consent to the motion for hearin.g: Counsel at the Bar or, this Bill, and he thought that ought bad to take place to-morrow ; but after the House been so much engaged, he did not think they could proceed with the second reading of the Bill with any advantage, therefore, after hearing the Counsel he should propose that the second reading should take plac e ; on Monday next. He should to-morrow move the seco n d reading of the County Courts Bill. Petitions in support of her Majesty's Ministers we re presented by Mr. Grattan, Mr. V. Stuart, Mr. Hum e ' Mr. O'Connell, end other lion. Members. : Mr. E. TE NN ENT. f e lt b oun d to correc t some statements of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, w e , Solicitor-General for I re l an d, i n hi s s peech la fi r i night. One point was th a t h e (M r . T e nnent) b ne et stated that the sheriff s were ap p o i nte d b y t h e Governmee - ' for the purpose of p o i son i ng th e course o f justice. I l had never made any such statement. Another mis.stete; ment was, that he had s a id th e G overnmen t h a d abando n ' altogether the right of setting aside Jurors on the part °f the Crown. The Hon. G en tl eman a ll u d e d to some ° the'. points upon which statements had been misunderstoo d. Mr. PIG OFT explained. MINISTERIAL POLICY—IRELAND. ADJOURNED EATE. On the Order of the Day b e in g read for resuming the adjourned debate, Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said, that notwithstandcl; ing the many speeches which had been nr. pg during this debate, so st rong was his f` e ' l on this subject, that he hoped h e m i g ht be P e o mitted to ask the insiulgence of the Home, while 11 0 ,g4 his reasons for supp o rti ng th e m o ti on o f t h e Noble ." - b o His reasons fur so doing, were 'twofold. First, 'aeon ° e ; believed the expressions used in that motion were tro and secondly, because he thought the House would 14 under the circumstances of the present time, be jos t y , _ in refusing to give its opinion, and accord its verdict. I °s • tween the two antagonistic principles, on one or othee tte d which Ireland must henceforth be governed. He regrl exceedingly that the Right Hon. Bart. opposite, h a d 0- 0 1 met the motion in a fair and manly mann er . He regr et for that he should have wasted his tal e nts a nd eloquenc;dr, two hours, not in directly opposi ng th e p ro position ol, ha g Noble Lord, but in end e avo ur i ng t o p ursua de them : ba t the time was not yet co me —th at i t was not ex pedient t the Commons House of Parli amen t s h ou ld o n this g r :o and often discussed qu, s ti on , venture to express opinion. But he felt t h a t w h atever t h e Ri g ht 1 - 1 40° ` . .id able Baronet might say. or whatever might he. his by those Honourable G en tl emen w h o f o llow i" o f train, as to th e vote o f t h e ot h er finu s6 no Parliament, he felt that, out of thet House, there wa s turn of sane mind and m emor y, w h o did no t considsr . bst vote as a vote of censure on the present Governm e . l. ,sy (Cheers)—and a censtne marked by this extraorduisnto circumstance, that they condemned before they weu l ' hi eh the inqu ry. There was something blundering in this , Iff s r showed that however Gentlemen opposite might art, st from their fellowseountrs men in the qualities nf the he d,...-e all events they had something Irish about their be n too. (Cheers and laughter.) He believ e d it was Rha d l sn ets thus had punished before i.e had heard the evlujuase arid it appeared that, in the present day, the ; 3 ' w .) of Lords had followed his • ex a mpl e .—( ear, in i n o • He thought the House was called upon to give an %P R c o.: upon a subject which the Right Hon. Baronet bad nst tirely out of the question, that the charges brought ag had the Irish Government, though frequently repeateabor.) been as frequently triumphantly refuted.—(Hea r ' o that He believed that it was through a great misc4lculab ct [ tr oci the majority of five in the Horse of Lords was 110t i a novl into a majority of one.—( Hear, hear.) He r °ll .ojeet , proceed to a much more important part of the. bar ge namely, that of showing his reason for thinking the c o o against Lord Normanb y totally without foundatton., ifo rbs • Curb had heard a great deal of the state of crime and u ssos ard' ances in Ireland. They had heard of men coming r ' adat ion to prove the case of their party by provi n g the dcg,, sen rder' of the country, and no one but the Right Hon. tte Ist; W hat of Dublin had expressed any - regret upon that subject• o rs were they to think when one of the principal Oranebers gans concluded its leading article by stating m. Three v s.f . t he for the Gazette, and one cheer more for the s tate - o u -eart! country." He was surprised that men should look l t V eiti ., to obtain power by making charges that would proe lie selves unworthy of holding any o ffi ce. — (Che ers .) wilice was old enough to remember when the counti: ea the he represented was in a most dreadful state, and w, s t han: plunder of her Majesty's mails w as far more reg ular state the delivery of the letters.—( Hear.) .What was „ a le& ? t' of the administration of th e l aw during those entle lie would read extracts from the speeches of t w° _ g s s etari men, one the Home Secretary, the other, the S h e e ' ir ad for Ireland, to show the state of Ireland under t he ministration. The Home Secretary, then the '''g o e Jane: Baronet, the Member for Tamworth, on the 14th w 1824, made the remarkable statement that thcre ssar e o r a e ri; less than fourteen murders cotnrritted i n one . 1 f , er pe two years, and yet not :n a single instance had tn,! ra r a n the trator been .discovered. 'The Right lion. Gent! , c o stat ed Member for the University of Cambridge, t ie i s a)'• „p o sts an d JAMAICA. that. justice was defeated in every Mr. GODSON presented a pstition from the planters Much had been said upon the execution of -en of the Island of Jamaica, praying to be heard by counsel at the that lije • the bar of the House against the Bill for the. Suspension of of juries, and great horror had been shown constitute d. N sf e s , Member at the idea of a jury P Hon. Momb':r for Boifast bad alluded to the s" l 'J' the Constitution of that Island. Mr. HUME postponed the motion of which ho had it the Constitution of England that o nlyt_l!,_ u 0 1 0 1 ; d F ro; , given notice for certain returns relative to flogging in the aristocratic classes were to be the judges of s ot. of tl been a d i s t rus t . the • Army and Navy. • Tr r uote.' perty ? ssn.ortunate.y there has LIGHTING THE HOUSE. Ireland , end on that subject . m ight q ,• o r popularly ,h an d , _f als , Sir F. TRENCH wished to ask by what responsible authority of Mr. Charles Grant, who, talking st the the new op , .!ratilns for lightint ; the H se vow h im:S , r dd t h- re tvas a ro,.!•.:I among ,s e anthority carri i:l4- on hal If . . •-• their cyes to thc: the v . ' ci i 3 playet Fee eight lenses far greater than those em pl oyed b , A ,. ! ' nOt the rooted ant 'P at l ite to a{IY I chirnetles at the burning of Syracuse.—(G reat l aug h ter.) I. by to l'arge a portion of lion. Ge ntlemen oPP°9- neseers" NATIONAL CONVENTION. (YESTERDAY.) JOHN FROST, Esq., in the Chair. After confirming the minutes of the proceedings of yes- I terday, the Secretary Mr. LOVETT, proceeded to read the letters. To a question which one of them put, whether the petition from Cirencester had been received, Mr. Collins answered that it had. A letter from Mr. Richard son, stating his progress in Manchester since he went down. In it he complained of a resolution passed, which went to order the holding of public meetings in Whitsun week. Mr. O'Ccestloa was glad the Chairman called his at tention to this letter, which be must say was an imperti nent letter, inasmuch as Mr. Richardson sought to set up his own opinion against the opinion of the country. —( Hear.) If the gentlemen whom Mr. Richardson allu ded to were not present to give their sanction to such resolution, it was the duty of those gentlemen to be pre sent.—( Hear, hear. )_ A letter from Bolton said that the character of Mr. Wood, the late Delegate for that place, was incomprehensible. When that gentleman returned from attending the Convention he gave the most flattering description of the conduct cf the body and of the excellent manner in which they acted on all occasions.—( Hear, hear.) At a late meeting he took occasion to decry the character of its members. He said they were doing no thing, had done nothing, and could do nothing. And if the people wished to have a physical revolution they must elect another Convention, vs the present one was deter mined not to do anything to promote that ol'ject.—( Hear.) But the climax of this gentleman's charges were comprised in what he said of some of the Members of the Convention. He said that many individuals of the Convention had ap plied to the Whigs for Government situations.—( Hear, hear.) The letter stated this change of opinion was ob served to take place immediately after Mr. Wood had ac cepted office.—( Haar.) Mr. WARDEN, the new Delegate from Bolton—When Mr. Wood made the charges alluded to against the Con vention, he ( Mr. Warder.) told him that it was his duty to bring those charges against the Members implicated before the Convention.—( Hear.) The people of Bolton did not give any credit to Mr. Wood's statement—they had no con fidence in that gentlemen—in eeidence of which they were not long in sending forward a person to represent them in the Convention. But as the letter was from a private party. it could not, he thought, come under the notice of the Convention. Mr. Woo.i toll him (Mr. Warden) that the parties who applied to the Whig Government fur situ ations were successful. Mr. O'CoNsoasaid that Mr. Wood in his charge against Members for accepting office, confounded the Whig Govern ment with the Corporation of Birmingham. Ile had coupled the circumstance of Messrs. Edmonds and Douglas taking situations in Birminitigham with wbrt be thought of get ting situations under Government. He had jumbled both these things in his head together. Mr. WHITTLE moved a resolution—That the Conven tion being informed that Mr. Wood, late Delepte from Bolton, has accused curtain members of the Convention of having solicited office under the Government, must deem the force of that accusaticn lessened by the fact that Mr. Wood had previously accepted the office of Poor• law Guar dian, in opposition to the expressed wishes of his own con stituents ; but nevertheless request Mr. Wood to adduce whet evidence he can of the truth of his statement. Mr. MILLS seconded this resolution, which passed una nimously. ATTENDANCE OF MEMBERS. Mr. SMART brought up the Report from the Committee appointed to devise measures to enforce the attendance of members. It recommended that a resolution should be adopted, erdering the Secretary to write to the absent Delegates to return, and should they not do so, their con stituents be requested to elect new Delegates is their stead. Mr. O'CONNOR moved the adoption of this resolution, which was seconded by Dr. AP DouaLt„ and passed after some discussion by the casting vote of the Chairman being given against an amendment proposed by Mr. Whittle, to t he effect that reasonable excuse would be sufficient to excuse such absence. It was said by the supporters of the original resolution that it was not necessary - to introduce any such words, inasmuch as that it was always understood th•,t mem hers who were compelled to be absent from sickness, or other like causes, had the leave of the Convention fur such absence. Mr. WHITTLE said that in proof of what he stated in his speech of yesterday, of the intentions of the Government to put any down every exrression of the people, with a view to attain their liberties, he would read an extract from the Jour-. nals of the House of Commons. That extract was as follows : " April 17.-60. Seditious Societies' Act (39 Geo. 111., c. 79) read, Bill to amend the said Act ordered to be brought in by the Solicitor- General and Attorney- General. 64. Bill brought in and read a first time as above. Sedi tious Societies' Act Amendment Bill—' To amend an Act or the 39th of Gecrge 111. for the more effectual sup pression of Societies established fet seditious and trea sonable purposes, and for preventing treasonable and sedi tious practices ; presented, read a first tim to be read a second time on Wednesday, April 24, and to be printed. Brought in by the Attorney- General, and the Solicitor- General." EVENING EpITION.