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from the Committee, it mrght he a matter' of fairness on the part of •the- House to extend the - existing laws to such a,period as might prevent thnse. early ships from being subjected to unex• peited inconvenience and loss. He had stated tt;at, however, _expressly as a contingency. He had said that it was possible some recommenda tion on the subject might proceed from the Com taittee ; but that if not, it might be fair to pro pose the extension of the existing law to July.— if, on the contrary, the Committee, by great as siduity and industry, should be enabled to bring -- their inquiries. tea close,..and recommend some general measures previous to the expiration of the - ekisting law, or, if on a due consideration of - ' the Subject, and feeling themselves unable to ar riv'e" at the termination of the inquiry, -they thould pro Pos e -some intermediate measure,, then he' should not conceive that by what he had - tated, :his Majesty's Government was at all •pledged to make the proposition-which he had . -mentioned. lie hoped that what he had now said would prevent further 'misunderstanding ; he had not 'given any opinion on the subject by authority of the. Committee;, he had merely stated the contingency, limited to the necessity of the 'case, by which his . Majesty's Government would be influencgd. lle repeated, that if they • should propose any measure, it would be limited to the necessity of the case, and that no proposi titd whatever would be made to extend the exiting law beyond that necessity. • General GAscbvsE obs erve d, that it was of extreme importance to the individuals engaged in the Timber Trade, that some final•arratigement should be made as speedily as possible, as the present was the seaknt of the year at which they ' ustMly concluded their various bargains. Mr. WALLACE intimated his knowledge of that fact, and assured the lion. Gentleman that no man could be more anxious than himself to do that it was possible to do on the subject. SC - ornsH BURCHS. Lord A. ITAami-om said, that as he understood the. motion was not to be opposed, he would ab stain from making any remarks on the subject at present, but would confine himself to moving, that the several Petitions to that House from the -Royal Burghs of Scotland, in the year .1818, 1819, and 1820, be referred to a Seleet Com -rnittee to report their observations thereon to the House.—Ordered. NiSCELLANEOUS. -Sir G, WARRENDER presented the Navy Estimates, and gave notice, that on.monaay the 46th inst„. he would move a e to of Seathen iii the; Committee .of Supply. A new Writ was o-dercd - for the Zirrouglis of Wigtorm, &c. in the room of the Unit: J: H. Keith Stewart, who, since 13;1 election, bad accepted the Cleiltern Hundreds.. r. R. WARD presi-nted tht . Ordnance Estimate;. Pnd e notice that "he vmum move the-in in the Committee of supply o n Monday fortnight. AIr.GRENFELL expressed his intention of calling the no tice of the House to the subject oft he sale of old stores. He did not mean those sold by public auction, but those sold by private contract. On mi.rinz that the Estimates be printed, 'Mr. HUME obServ,d, that as, if the Estimates were in the same general form as last year, they were wholly useless, and as he had himself a rotation on the present evening for the particulars of the Ordnance Estimates, the Honourable Gentleman would, perhaps, postpone the rnntitm fits piinthig the.Estiniateg which he had just presented, until his (Mr. Tiothe's) motion was-disposed of. Mr. It. WARD acquiesced. • Air. MARTIN gave notioe, that-on this day week Jae would more for leave to bring in a Pill to enable persons charged with felony to employ counsel in their defence. • •Air CURZON presented a Petition from Scarsdale, corn plainioz of the distresses of agriculture, and praying for re lief.—Ordered to he printed. • PETITION FROM A PRISONER. Mr. riENNET presented a Petitionfrorn Thomas g,fiodeS,.a poor young man, wilo was apprehend ed at Stamford in December last, charged with creating zi riot and disturbance by assisting in . burning the effigy of .the celebrated Theodore :11fajocchi. Not being able .to procure bail he Was' committed to the jail of Stamford. His trial was from. time to tinie postponed until it now ap- Veared that it was not to take place ;until the As sizes in March at Lincoln. Perhaps there was iso jail in' the kingdorri worse than the town and borough jail at Stamford. The cells were ,ek trerne,ly- small.and-confined, and in a state of such humidity that, the.water ran down their walls.— 'The'Petitioner described the various and severe evils which he endured in his imprisonment. His general . prayer was for such relief' as the House might think fit to.afford him. Bennet) Was:not aware that thelfouse could grant the Petitioner.. any_ relief, but he hoped that the statement .thus, mad-.!Bli ht induce.those who hap hitherto Rursued this unfortunate being, no-longer fo dO sO; and he also hoped that the Magistrates of the Borough of Stamford would be induced to pat the jail in-the condition hi which it ought to T e Petition was ordered to be printed. chlMlNAL TRIALS IN SCOTLAND. M. KEN,NEDY brought its a Bill: to alter the _mode of _proceeding in Criminal Trials in Scot land.,. ,O.A the motion that the Bill be, read.a first . time, . , • r he LORD ADVOCATE said that he by no means objected to,.flie Bill's being read a first time.; but that he trUsted.thenonourable .Gentleman would tihin allow it to be printed, in order that- the Bar Intl - the country. of Scotland might have full op portunity of•judging of its merits. Ile was one o: the,ie who thought that a great practical evil mast be likown: before, any innovation should be permitted in an existing .system, and more espe cially on a subject, involving so many important considerations.. Unfortunately, however, there seemed. to be a general disposition in the - present day to hunt-out. every hole and- corner in our whole constitutional system to which some theoreticatremedy might. by. possibility apply.---- lie, was sure the. English- and -Irish genre.; sentatives in that Rouse would not think the worse ,of him for defending the institutions of his native country ; and -he -would therefore say, without hesitation, that the criminal jtrdica(ure of Scotland. especially, both .with reference to its principles, and to the beneficial results of-those principles, was highly estimable. There were. fewertrials—there . were fewer, capital -, punish ments, and fewer sentences of transportation, comparison with the population in Scotland, than in any.other part of the. United Kingdom. It was not his intention to draw any comparison be tween the law of England and of Scotland-;' the law ,or England was, no doubt, worthy of this great, and.eplightened country. -All - he wished to state was, the advantage which- the-- accused possessed under the criminal law of Scotland. In the first place, a copy of the indictment was served on him fifteen clear days before his trial --(Hear !)—The nature of the offence was stat ed in that indictment, and the Crown was not at liberty to offer evidm:e -beyond the indictment —(Hear !)_The. names of the witnesses-against the accused were,i,also hear! from the Oppc)sitiim)-- 7 -as were the namei,.Of the . persons on the panel from which the Jury was to be selected. He contended, that the laws of Scotland, taken as a system, Were, as well, in theory as in practice, - calculated to promote the end's of justice, and to give to the accused . a fair trial, as any . system, that ever existed in any country. the,' Union, the - law of Treuson . was made the "Sartid in bath countries, but the English law of Treason was by no means so fa vourable to tbe•accusdd as was the Common Law of Scotland. Mr. KENNEDY said,. the Learned Lord assert- ed . , - that Gentlemen from Scotland felt great sa tisfaction in stating the defects of the law. lie agi•eed with the learned Lord, that - a great part of the Common Law of Scotland . Was.of great ad vantage to that country ; that he' never denied'; but he could not agree with hiM that any Mern 7 ber for Scotland dwelt on the defects of the law merely for the pleasure of dwelling on those (.14- fects—far different Were his feelings, he attempt ed to bring those defects under the consideration of Parliament, with a view to their rernoval— (ll ear, hear !) . ---The Noble Lord had stated, that a general measure of amelioration was in contem plation, but he (Mr. Kennedy) could not know whether it was intended toinclude in that mea sure, the 1-trtioval of those blemishes of the law . which he had broUght Under the,consideration of Parlianietit: He thought it by far a more dis creet mode of proceeding to point out defects in the law, which by possibility might throw an mputation . On those who administer the laws, than - to attempt to point out, - what indeed he con sidered impossible, any mal-administration on the part of the JUdges. To relieve those learned persons from discretionary power, was what he had in. contemplation. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman concluded by suggesting that -the Bill should be read- a second time in the course of the next week., pro forma, reserv ing all future discussion to a subsequent stage of the measure. Mr. M. A. TA. - y - Lon complained of Judges having exceeded the . poWer of the law. . The Hon. Gentleman noticed the judgment in the case of Muir-=a judgment whiCh was held to be con trary to the IaWS of the land by some of the brightest men that ever appeared at the Scotch Bat. - Though he was not a: Scotch lawyer, he was ready to meet the Learned Lord opposite on the point; and to prove the utter illegality of ' that judgment. The Loan. ADVOCATE expressed his readiness to meet the Hon, Gentleman-(Mr. Taylor), and to maintain that judgment was legal. He was the .more confident on the subject, because that judgment had recently come under the consider- ation of the Supreme Court, and received its sanction. Mr. J. P. GitANT said he could not sit silent and hear it. Said' that the Supreme Court of Scotland had: recently. approved of the sentence of trans portation pronounced on Mr.• Muir, because he knew. that the ablest Judge on that Bench held opinions ,hustile to that sentence. There was scarcely a laWyer of eminence in .Scotland who did .not entertain at least grave doubts on tha subject. The Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be printed and read a second time on Thursday next. TINIBER TRADE. Mr. M,AnnYyr presented a Petition. from cer tain Merchants engaged in the 'fimber, Trade with the Colonies in North America, praying that no alteration might be made in the existing Du ties, that shotifd 'give any advantage to foreigners. —Ordered to lie on the Table. IRISH UNION DUTIES Mr. CURWEN presented a Petition from the Tann of Kendal, prayingfor a revision of the. Irish Protection Duties. Hon. Gentleman said, that those duties were found to, operate most injuriously to England, without giving any advantage to the Irish manufactures. Sir H. /: 3 AIINELL said, that continuing those duties had only the, effect of diminishing the market for the manufactory of this country in Hebeggedto suggest to th e Ri g ht H on . Gentleman opposite (the Chancellor of the Ex chequer) that a number of Petitions were in progress similar to that which was before the House, and it was his intention to propose an inquiry as to the policy of considering those nick named Protecting, Duties. He did not think that .there. ever was a greater mistake in legislation _than that made by the Irish Parliament in esta blishing a system 'of protecting duties ; the effect' of that system was to start the English manufac tures out of England, and to limit-their consump tion - merely. to-Ireland.. Those, Protecting "Du ties had continued, for nearly 40 years, and no successful effort was ever made in the establish-. ment of any branch of trade in Ireland,save those branches which were marko free. He had no dOubt but ,that what were called Protection Duties operated most injuriously to trade, and ought to be abolished. ion; Mr. C. liurcHiNsoN begged to call the atten tion of the. House to the object of the Petition. The object of the Petition was to induce the Right HON. Gent. opposite (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) to depart froin the measure of the last year, which continued the Protecting Puties to Ireland. - The Petitioners wished, in fact,. todepriv e th e I r i s h manu f ac t ure rs of that pro tection.—(lfear, hear'.)---The Honourable Gen tleman who presented the Petition, dwelt on•the existing depression .of- the English trade. No man deplored that depression more than himself ,--but.was the existing misery in England to be relieved by the sacrifice of the small Rrotec tioh that-Ireland enj o y e d ? The argument of his Honourable Friend (Sir 11. Parnell) would go to do away the_ Protecting Duties, in order to relieve the English manufacturer—but did he not know that to take off those duties would add to the., existing distress in Ireland? It was his (Mr. Hutchinsua's) duty to state, that if those Protecting - Duties were repealed instanter, a number of manufacturers iu Ireland would be ruined. Such a .meastire would have the effect of puttin g sa number ef. persons out of. bread in . the city which he had the honour to represent.' Mr. LyrrLrrox said,. that if the Hon. Baronet should mo ve f o! ' a Committee on those duties, he would support the -.measure. He admitted that any manufacture established in Ireland since the Union was fairly entitled to protection be would. o farther-he w say,. that mantifaetilie's esta blished even before the Union had a right to expect that: those duties should - be only `gradually with- - - drawn; but surely those duties in common sense, ought not to lie allowed to - exist' Is ith . respect to manufacture's - Which never did exist in Ireland. Such was the ease, with respect to the pottery and hardware manufacture. ..A ,Deputation came ever from Ireland l ast year on the' subject of those duties; and though they. distinctly stated to the Right Hon. Gentleman that there were nei ther pottery 'nor hardware manufactures in Ire ! land r and that they . ought to be exempted, yet the Protecting Duties. with respect to them were continued—continu e d, he wo u ld sa y, con t rar y to the plain ,principl es o f common sense. Lord ALTHORP said, that what were called Protecting Duties amounted, in fact, to nothing but a tax—a tax which did not operate for the benefit of Ireland —which produced much incon venience to both countries, and no advantage to either.. Sir J. NEwrcrwr said, that if the repeal of the Protecting Duties could by possibility injure the manufactures of Ireland, the - House, he hoped, would believe that he would be the last man in the world to seek for that repeal. He believed that those duties 'operated as 'a -heavy 'tax, and threw a great impediment in the way of British manufacture. With respect to pottery, that manufacture never did exist in Ireland, and never could, because coal could not be had but under great disadvantage and at a heavy price. Ilis opinion was, that all articles which-were duty free should be put on the same footing—that ar ticles should be imported from Ireland to Eng land precisely as .theY were from Leith to Lob don. Though no duties existed,. yet the port charges were the same with respect to the manu factures of Ireland as-they were with regard to foreign countries. This operated as a burthen and an injury.to both countries. He hoped the Right lion. Gentleman opposite (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would have' the Good ness to take the matter under his consideration. These di3couragements tended very much to the injury of the tillage of Ireland, and broke through a Principle which was held in -that House, on which both parties expressed themselves anxious to act, namely,. to bind the two countries toge ther by mutual interest, and to do away all cause of irritation and of unpleasant feeling. It was .with this .view that in the year 1806 he brought in the Grain Intercourse Bill. Ex . perience proved that that was a useful measure. Mr. PEEL said, that connected with Stafford shire, and feeling ever anxious for the welfare of Ireland, he begged to add his voice in favour of the repeal of those misnamed protecting duties. AS was well remarked, those duties, so far froth being. found a protection to Ireland, operated as a tax upon that country. Nothing could be more clear than that the continuation of those duties could be of no advantage to freland—nothing but local or individual interests could be atrected by the repeal of those duties. lie would Wil lingly give such manufactures as might be in any way affected by the repeal of those duties, ample time to withdraw their capital. Upon the gene ral yrinciple the House was agreed. General principles were agreed to without hesitation, but they were unfortunately too often departed from in individual cases. Regulations on trade, of the description under the view of, the House, only tended to fetter and injure it. All vexatious re-: straints should be done away. He submitted to the "plain sense of the House, that those regula tions fettered the commercial intercourse between England - and Ireland, which they must have been, anxious to prevent. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he would not .at present enter into a dis cussion on the subject, because future oppor 'unities would , present themselves for explana , The House were aware that the appre aension of discontinuing those duties created great alarm amongst the manufacturers iii Ire laud. These manufacturers made - pressing re presentations to Government on the subject, and under all the circumstances, he considered it the most advisable mode - of acting, not suddenly to withdraw these duties, 'but to. do so gradually. He stated this to shew that he did not act upon any •hasty or sudden impulse, nor even with any view to the increase of the -revenue,: though the latter was a consideration of the :utmost import ance; The principle on which he acted was;• by withdrawing those duties gradually, not to take the Irish manufacturer by surprise, but, to give him an bppc,Ftiwity of withdrawing his , capital;. without injury. With respect to the system of . drawbacks' anti countervailing duties, be had only .to assure the .House that he had 'given much consideration to that subject daring - the summer. He. was naturally anxious to do every thing in his power' to facilitate the trade between both countries Mr. M. FITZGEII ALD - said, the temper in which this subject was discussed was with him a sub ject of congratulation, for no Member, either Irish or English, had recommended that the du ties should be so dealt with as to injure the in terests of Ireland. 'these duties had been enact edat the Union for 52.0 years, with a view that at the end of that time they might be revised and possibly extinguished. He . did not complain that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had acted, unfairly in - continuing, but that he had acted Without inquiry, and without laying any 'grounds for, his measure. The great part Of these duties' were an injury to the English manufaCturer who sold, and to. the Irish consumer who- bought, _ . without the least possible protection to the Irish manufacturer, for there were many duties on ar ticles, no manufacture of which existed in Ire land. Some of these duties too were on articles of prime necessity. A general inquiry into the regulations respecting the intercourso between: the two colintries would be highly expedient.-- He had himself discovered that there was a re gulation respecting the coasting trade in Ireland, by which duties were levied by port charges, amounting to 20 per cent. 0n,,-the freight, lie brought this fact under the ktiowledge of the night Hon. Gentleman opOSite (Mr. Peel), who, \vitt] theattNtion that chiracterised hinrin th e Nformance oT his ilutieiiii ‘ treland, entered upon stn hiquirySancl fAtl‘tWeerrvctilessNaf Yact which . he fiad stated. The length of time which this oppressive charge had continued, convinced him of the existence- of many vexations, unne cessary either to trade or revenue, which might be got rid of: - Mr. CURWEN disclaimed any intention to take any, step respecting . theSe d.aties at the expence of Ireland. Mr. SHAW approved of the proposal of a Com, mittee of Inquh)r. The Petition was read.—On the - motion that the Petition be laid on the-Table, Sir H. PARNELL said, there would have been many Petitions against these duties, if the Bill respecting the' had not been passed so quickly in the last Parliament. It was said by the thin. Member for Cork, that the duties prote!:ted Irish manufactures. This might be the case, but for himself he did not know %vhere they exi i sted. After a few 'words from Mr.'C. Hutchinson and Mr. J. Browne, Mr. Spain RICE said, there was one manu facture in Ireland which needed protection, and to which it was not afforded by those Duties,: and that was Agriculture.--=-(Hear!)—He could not recognize the claim of the Chancellor of the' Exchequer, that the Act of last Session respect in these Duties should be cOnsidered a final settlement, whether they were regarded as to revenue or as to protection. There was an una nimous opinion' in that House (it was to be re marked) in 'favour of inquiry, and he was at a loss to conceive on what grounds the Chancellor of the Exchequer could resist the motion which the Member for the Queen's County (SIT: H. Parnell) promised to bring forward - .---The Peti tion was laid on the Table. ESTINIATES, &c. The Commissariat Barrack; and N.'ictuallimr, Department Estimates, were laid on the Table by Mr. Arbuthnot. - . Mr. HORACE TWISS gave notice of a motion for Monday fortnight, for leave to bring- in a - Bill for the disposal of . business (Bankrupt bu s b ies , we b e li eve ) i n t h e Court of Chancery. • Mr. CIIFTWYND gave notice Of a motion for Monday next, for a Return of Fines levied in the Court of King's Bench doring_the last three years, and their application. It was ordered, that the House on its rising' ad . ;unrn to Nloodov, - and that the defoultets at the Ballot be ieporfedon that day. The Report on the Court of Session Acts was brought up and read. Mr. CREEVEY wished to know, wbether.the etterations Proposed to be made in the salaries of the•Oliic rsif the, Comet of Session were recommended by a Scots Commission The LORIYADVOCA FE said, it was inconsequence Orthe Report of the Parliamentary Commission on the Scots Court, of Justice. Mr. CREEVEY said, it was impossible that the House could dulylecide 'on the proposition without mature consi deration. Ile conceived, as to this Proposition as weir as that respecting the Irish Courts, the best way would a he,t hat the Reports of the Commis s i oners should he'referi ed . to Se= lect Committee to make the•preminent.facts into After a few words from Mr. Kennedy and the Lord A tiro cafe, the Report was agreed to, andleave was given to bring '1 in a Bill arcordingly. Mr. C. GRANT moved the Order of the Dry for a 'Com'- mittee of the whole Ilonse on the Salaries of Jutlesatid.Odi tli Of Com ts of Justice in Ireland. The Reports of the Commissioners on the Irish Courts of Justice were referred to the Committee. • The Speaker having left the Chair, 70 11 r. C. GRAM' proposed to the Committee rations 8.-so lutions, for Compensation to the Chief JUstices, Chief 'MN and Judges, of the Br. nch, Common Pleas, and x chequer, in Ireland, in lieu of Fees, as also to the Prot holm taries, Cnstos Ifiecium. Filacers, Friacer of Exigentets, Taxing Officers, and • Cie; ks ot the various Courts, and the yeeat Patent Officers, to be charged on the Cunsultdated . Fund. Sir J NEWPORT observed, that some years ago, tee Offi cers of the Exchequer in Ireland-had compensations made to them for the business transferred to the Bench and Common Pleas, by which the hnsiness, and consequently the fees of Office's in tho latter OMEN; were increased, It would, be unfair that the public should make compensation 1,1 the. great Patent Officers to the amount of these fees, whieh had hecn thus eidetnced, The Resolutions Weft' agreed to,. the IjouFe resumed, and the Report was ordered to.be reeeiVed on Nlonday. • COMPE.NSATION TO THE CLERGY OF 'ME COURT• , . OF ADMIRALTY IN SCM:LAND. TheLORDADVOCATE'MOVed that the report be brought up. Mr. CREEVEY objected to this motion. It was very different from the subject which had been last before the House. The object .no%v was compensation only, and the Learned Lorftwho proposed it gave the 'House no information what ever. respecting it. He had told them formerly that the Parliamentary commissioners had Nom, mended the abolition of these offices,.but not told whether they had recommended compen sation. To - him (Mr. .Creevey) this topic- of .compensation was one of great suspicion----(Hear.) ----If they were trustees for a private individual, and not for a distressed people, they would ex amine every claim of compensation with great care, and even with suspicion. AV holler compen sation ought or ought not to be granted should be ascertained by careful iinspectio❑ of the facts. lie'would therefore mote an amendment that the report he brought up on Monday se'nnight, and upon that amendment he:would - take the- sense the ilouse. Mr. KENNEDY said he had thought that the . commissioners were- too much disposed to give compensation. - If, however,-the recoMmendatibu came froM them he would agree to it :•but as 'no information of that kind had been given, Ire-would support'_the amendment. The LORD ADvocA'ri said he had no objec tion to. delay when the object I Y as t o o b ta i n ' in formation. But he would say, respecting com pensation in this case, that if Parliament thought proper to abolish offices on the recommendation or the commissioners, and the necessary and un, avoidable effect was to deprive individuals of offices with which they were invested for life, it was but fair to give them compensation. If the Hon. Member (Mr. Creevey) would consent that the report should be brought up now, the consi deration of it might be delayed till Monday se'nnight, quest'on having been put a division was called for, when Lord CASTE' ItEAGII rose and suggested, that, if the Report were brought up, and tl►e further consideration of it postponed until Monday week. that arrangement +►light answer the purpose of the Gentleman opposite. Mr. CREEVEY assenting to this proposition the Report was brought up, and ordered to be fur ther considered on Monday week. On the motion of the eIiANCELLOR of the Ex cntouca, the Committee upon the Flax and Cot ton Acts was postponed until Monday. ARMY ES MIATES. Lord PALAERSTO4 presented thck-Army Esti-. mates.. I,lr. IfUME askN, 'w:hetlNANverei's meant fi:) lay"b'efore the Plohse.apy Iretuln of-the Sate of Old Military Stores, of which no account had been presented within the last eleven or twelve years ? I Lord ParenEnsroN observed, that no.such Re turn was ever included in .the - A.,riny. Estimates. .Mr..l-lemesaid, that he. was quite.aware of the fact stated by the Noble Lord, but he would maintain that the Return to which he had alhid edought to be laid before the 'House. -to move the Army Estimates in the Committee of Supply u1;:lpor:..:I1141::°:'-',NaltnEhr:171.d.o6asNye *gtf o oaiv rr tei t . :: :h e ttic. h t i ' s °r pr h o is m i i i s i e t : n . mtioll - he _ s t a id id ri , u s f u !O p l p l t o i r li t s ed sul a lbi s il -eiJci subject, s at the public expense, it t ni h }te : i la tt ic t d i c t: ei i: si s si t s o p fl o v s it s , lo i l b e l ip e v eu f ri a le c i iicl! d i,t e yb yo u si t t l e ° e d u s l p ( t i e o c b i e a l l:l:y e ir ra 6 t r o r d y e tl il a io n s t de o , • y sc e i a e r n s t , ifi a c g p r i e t a rs t li f i l t. ,ese— ldolineofwiansgiaews-sail.evatstiaaltl,6ewiptliattoe those who-visited the Museum anerely for the gratification of curiosity, no less than 5L,000 hav ing been admitted . within the last year ; .but what he had to complain of was the.---difiiewityor. , admission on the part of those wb_o for literary -' and scientific pnrposes.were desirous to examine . the library, to have access to the roding,roorn, - or to see the several collections ,of minerals, 'prints, drawings, and coins: In France aul t the other 'continental nations, the utmost free-, dOm of access was allowed to strangers who desk- ed to see similar collections, and 'he could not .. think it, honourable to the character of this country that, a different practice preVaited here, '' If it wete'said, that from the lie e i.ialueo l f e t f h: i s r e ed c , o i l t e .lecOons,at the Museuii o would be imprudent to expose them to tl'e ac cess of strangers, he shintld say in answer, that . an .additional number of officers ought to be ;,p -pointed to ' take care of them.. This vertain-ly• would be a much less exceptionable arrangement - than the existing restriction upon- the admissikm of strang e t s . B ut t h e appointment of additional • , t, officers' would be unnecessary, if it should ap pear that the - Museum had 'already several offl- 1 leers receiving salaries with ou t pay 'corresponding • I duty to perforrn; With a view to ascertain- that, he proposed to move for a return of the salaries f'. ' and ext r a- serv i ce money paid to the several off- '' •cers of the Museum. At present the..admissions- .i to which he referred could not -be obtained by any one who did not procure the certificate of the Trustees, or -who was not knoWni to one of the officers of the Museum ; and considering the. large sums ;which had been pant frem the peblic. purse for the establishment and maintenance of this institution, he Must say, that those grant 9 : were very improvidently made, should it turn out, that instead.of being found available fora /,. tpublic purpose, it was merely an establishmet , t I for the gratiScation of private favour or indiv:-/ dual patronage. The lion. Member conclude& with submitting his motion for the producciiiiii t r a Return of the .Number of Persons admitted to see those Collections at the MuSeniu to whi c h he had referred, .within the last five years, . Mr. LONG s a id, th a t as a Trustee of Idle Bri" tiSli Museum, be bad not the slightest objection to let the House , and the Honourable Gentleman have all the, information he require -A. But on the part of those Gentlemen who had the conduct of that Institution, - he' begged to say, that the Honourable Gentleman was much misinformed , in stating that, however: , rigid the restrictiong Might 'appear in words, they were _ever . found harsh or illiberal iu.practicc. Ile could, indeed+ say that in his experience as a Trustee, he did not know a single case in which in applicant, ~situ had a fair. claim,. was ever refused admission ti". any of the collections referred to by the Iliymtv trialeblee collections Gentleman. 11, a sB c ons i dered,ut l‘'leift - I t i o r iet g i.i r oe e n a pl t du v iili t Tii l c u et e l: : doubt that the house would feel that some dl': - ' "crimination'in the admission of strangers was t a c ; . . cessary on the part - of those to.whose " re , b a d ,I were entrusted. The Honourable -Move' in „ „ Al .. - 11-")0:7): Royal' . heard, that in consequer admission of stratigers, considerable loss had bee 4l e sustained. • . bssicijobtaukreatecc°ll3l.alos;r:,ittttle}:(l:::ilCvrtl;) facilityr b , il a ul i ot( :d r i l e :l e te ;r i t c o b( );: ra4i t t r i n l e i s G i al e i n i s t c l r e i ct: l a i : a li t : Messrs: 11. G URNEY, 811 l GMT, and COLLIZ. 11 "" , bore testimony. to th e general conduct of t he Museum, and particularly to the talent and_ cOur. ,tesy of its several officers. - Mr. CGLpURNE expressed'an oxinionthat 1 011 ,, --- the dilapidated state of . the ' present buildin% . ;, ia new one ought to be erected, adding, that he " ' 0 no doubt the 'liberality of Parliament • 1r0 a . ,! : readily grant an adequate stn . ror tine purpose' He recommended a new building, becauFe he I''';,, led to conclude that no systeni - of reyairs col" Serve t o ren d er t h e p r eSent ' building, permanen- Elf suitable for its object. Mn. r G un d to v Mr: BANRES also testified to,the' good conduc t _ ‘i N t .t hd y nt recommended e Iris motion. tis Honourable . Frie . of the M useum an d it s N everat ofeers . , concu rr o l with the, last Sp ea k er in : thinking that sef " v . c. ::11 parts of the Museum oug ht to be relnii:t, %I might be done gradually: • edla'behoCl:ei,,NtCilEart.J. fromO R of u t , i h n a e t E i L i n : Eca .i r el l.: P s -N a r ti r c 'i s i : L both sides 'of the House, the Hon. GentlenV s would see the propriety of withdrawing motion, 'The Hon. Mr..I3ENNeT declared his approba tion of the conduct of the Officers of the: IVIu7 .. .. , .. i :eitryt, wino particularly evinced their juogrnt c ' ; l t t i, l l l l r i l i i t o .l s c i i o t i y u t - r c t t , e o r s n y s t t a r i a i f i t l i e g i:l,: i- s f l . i o lig the t a l i. ' e a . ti v fi a e r a k t i ti O s n a - o r r l ti e l s e Mr. SI - KSS made some observations, 'which we-re not d:stioctly• audible, upon the practice 9f i