The Sun. — London, England, 1839-03-06 00:00:00

ILVI4_:N ING EDITION l t ras not likely to have a fair trial, was he ( Mr. D.), as Counsel for - the prisoner, to permit him to be tried, and Wo uld t .; thei r L ordships give their consent to it? He(Mr. alight have said too much, but in his opinion the affi cssu of the prieoncr's attorney was amply sufficient to carry cusiction to every man's heart and mind. It was an in sult his (Mr. D.'s) undo-seat:ding to speak of the arti e, tw J('s co t-LW:Led in the N ews p a p ers on thi s su bj ec t as the addle of an Editor." To him it appeared to be the i ; ate st thing' pessibla to the stab of the assassin's dirk. l e hoped their Lordships would not think the application T w ine too l ate. The prisoner had waited till the Grand ury fou n d t h eir bill ; and nOW he desired the trial to be P "'P ° fied—not because he feared the result—of that be ha d no fear whatever—but because, by its being post -1 1)u he was likely to have a fair and impartial trial. Mr. u ndas observed, in conclusion. that he would leave the em,'t'er in thei r L or d s hi ps ' h an d s, con fi dent t h at t h e lif e o f Les client would not b e uenecessar il y p l ace d i n j eopai -d y . r ile.. B aron PARKE observed, that from the novel nature c s the present app t lication, he had felt some doubts as to t's„propriety of yielding to it if it were granted in it , case, similar applications would not fail to be made in C - Iscs ; and on this account it was that he was T;'l l l , x ' ° us to have the assistance of his brother Alderson. .h however, was one of a very extraordinary nature, and bee anion the subject Of extraordinary excitement. " publi of the evidence taken before the Coroner Tt;',e:4' trennely improper ; i n d ee d it was an i n di c t a bl e o ff e n ce . ril_'ntese, to e , h a d b een made the subject of great excite_- in th e newspapers up to so late a period as the 12th atl.of sae e.. , uar3 last. I n one o f t h e newspapers t h ere was a a•nrient that Bolam h a d ex p resse d a w i s h t o see a ma tgi!str'tate, and thence leaving the inference to be drawn he was about t o snake a cenfeand further, h.lliat aslan t had made an ss.sigement n;s aroperty to I s Was t rue these wss letter from - Mr. '''burne, on the loJi of Februety, in answer to those statements, b u t aga i n there were camments in the news saPp', discrediti ng t h at answer. There had a l so b een rea d 1) . • Inc c ourse of the affidavit, an article in another news 14li t er s'c'w 1 h ing not a d e t es t a ti on o f th e cr i m e itself—for i"8 natural —but that the mind of the writer was made fixing the crime upon the prisoner, Archibald highest 'II ' These circumstances were likely, in the B eti degree, to prejudice the cause of the prisoner. i n ;'e , there was another consideration of some weight at t ,avour of the present application—namely, that iss ,_l° present Assizes the Juries would be corn. -7u• of men chiefly from the neighbourhood of this from the simple circumstance, that it was not con. di at this time of the year to bring persons from a great si sn a ,r -ce • itsppeared to him, therefore, that the most sub. satin t'al justice would be obtained by yielding to this appli- Vhi si n ' ' r nd Postponing, the trial until the Summer Assizes, would crease interval of five months n the it - n e y " n ' i raca he hoped that no means would be employemployed in on ibis "Paper to promote excitement in the public mind sit* ' s ° latter. Such proceedings were highly reprehen e nd : al.ld calculated, in the highest degree, to defeat the A °l Jostice. Baron At.nartsoN said - lie concurred with his brother liesaai • T ll e general rule was to try a prisoner as soon as 41 0 - 4 : e after the offense was committed; but the statute eat of n deviation from the rule where sufficient cause olvti for such a deviation. It was impossible that Lio n b e c i rit nes could be committed without public ind ‘ igna a d o s. at: excited; and it was quite proper that it should fe e l in. gut the very circumstance that it was a laudable Tsounnsr?nuired that it ought not to be excited further. not Ugh it "as a proper feeling, it required regulation and s i s sos be stimulated. By'h av i ng las trial postponed, the e al , i rr 'would be tried in the ordinary course by a jury liarl ) ,"g.from a distance, w hi c h was a c i rcums t ance peen tars ,dtstinguishinse the present case. It would be neces eo,;:,!towever, f or th e pr i soner to b e b rcug h t up to t h e for,',V,, court to plead, and than his Counsel would move postpone went of his trial. but P n soner bore the p rocee di ngs w ith grea t fi rmness , Bit " h an for the p o stp onemen t was exem plifi e d b y 4" from th e crowd at their disappointment. and s ° oll as the p r i soner was ta k en t h e to C ounty C ourt, Ai r e h ad Pleaded to the indictment, Ra s 41, tlowans rose and renewed the application, which I,Fen formally granted. e sus ! Court then adjourned, both Judges intending to try v 3 at the County Court. COURT CIRCULAR. si tti ° Queen honoured Sir Francis Chantrey with a ht!Yesterday f or h er b ust at B uc ki ngham Palace. Iscount Melbourne had an audience yesterday of her Th el p' Royal dinner, party at the Palace last evening in- PO' the Earl of Surrey, Lord Fortescue, Viscount tc'heurne, Lord and Lady Vernon, Lord Carlin ton and ° I rd Sudeley. c e ,;', 46 Y Barham and the Viscountess Forbes, have sue k,,,'"ed Lady Lyttleton, and Lady Gardiner, as the Lady k i , a ' Woman of the Bedchamber in Waiting to the Queen ; Viscount Falkland and the Hon. William Cooper succeeded Lord Byron and M r . Ri c h as t h e Lord " 4 , Ciroom i n W a i t i ng on her M a j esty . p_lbe Duchess o f C am b r id ge honoured the Earl and tititess of Cawdor w ith h er company at dinner last even tat attheir residence in South Audley-street. hr ' n t he Bishop of Durham and M r . J o h n L efevre had ° face r views with Lord John Russell yeste r d a y at t h e Hone ke:Dant Sebastiani, the French Ambassador, and Mr. t114,"0n, the American Minister, transacted business at I , l 4 eign Office yesterday. hel d 'e,?4embers of the Naval and Military Commission sur y ' l eetiog yesterday at twelve o'clock, at the Trca of "iiintTherc.were present the Duke of Wellington, Earl Viscount Melville, Viscount Howick, Lord bod e . t jussey Vivian, Sir Henry Ilardinge, Sir Alex brokt., 14son, H P at three and Sir George Cockburn. Th e me eti ng o'clock. THE ARMY. beeAr,l4j°r-General Thackvrall, formerly of Gloucester, h th a e s co.:l4lVointed by Sir IL Fane to the command of T he of th e army of the Indus. Pert, 'llol.lth h, fro m C eylon, are to -- replace this year at I,lBtb the 84th, who will proceed to Irelan. fitit;.ere has been a fearful mortality in the 52d Light In tal'iii-sinee they arri ve d at B ar b a d oes f rom t h e Mediter hi,,' ari,),,d" com panies of the 69th have arrived at Halifax from Il r , v . kr, , 0,4, et Major Lock's comany R. A., stationed in Dublin, tal i , F ,7 ill, readiness to embark for Nova Scotia,. and Cap to Trepi4eetertsbeecntm.pany to proceed from Woolwich to Dublin 'lay , °eAPollo arrived December 5, from Cork, in Symon's tt ttlicaehprletir,ibesaving on board the 94th for Ceylon. bAlbiac is appointed President of the Board The na Officers. N / a f ro m Lancers are under orders to remove in . the t°elthQ Nottingham cavalry barracks in Ipswich, thell replaced by the 4th Dragoons from York. trjnsequence of typhus fever having appeared amon i g . 41Q 'ielt 9t °f the 6th (or Enniskillen) Dragoons, atl i r 4 ,...her, t (IN T° ruen having died), this troop will march for il l , ° Pin head -quarters. Nht,,i) Isabella will sail from the Thames on the 12th of it) ' f° '' cork, to receive the drafts of the 72d and 75th we,,.4e4ftoslifo°Lcouveyance to the Cape. e '.....1,,- 'lug officers retired from the Army this 1; ) r . 1.11 ,- .1 W i tZ te , n _nt-Colonel Davit:p a , 6th Dragoon Guards; W i ' l ' i ro l) , 'l a itsat. Drago d o li r e ls ; C ptain Sheddeu, 17th 10th Foot ; Lieutenant 1 „ 7 111 ' ', 24 tb ; C aptainPl Tu e ll ' en, 30th ; Captain Powell, frith : tietitenantOlv 72d ert , and Lieutenant Sanders, 444 ii!trile(ip„C°loriel E. er Wildtrian, 6th Dragoon Guards, - -41 `Donnell. 57th Foot, retire on the half pay. '-e° IIN LAW 3ELEGATION. Wi,„ whi,.l ':ei,we look at t17 —...--- e amount of legislative . machinery .en tile il '8 -ePt n in consequence of the restrictions of ersp;el'ortationPof food, which leads to a scare c t o y nse. cllicr,,c'illent ; and all the physical and . moral extraer_ (14,4-'3 which are attendant upon it, it seems b.r °I 1 t that those very men who have to the load I ' l4l l °lll. which such legislation imposes, should w hen t enen gli to impose on themselves . these 4iNs.iti-i'st x:epealing'—tuhe Corn-laws they might so greatly mo tto,. l li not totally remove them. e lenn3' Factor Bills have we had, and how many f etl ‘ 41 f 13 , I St we have,before the contrivances and strat u s . - ''let . l B l °- "le str 14 ,5, .„.. e 's, and t a h;: cra v i ng f or gsle profit on the part of the ma e n ret f food on the part of the - t's x ‘i n be cireutriveido, If Lord Ashley and Mr. /t hicl i ` 4418 A'Ould turn e their attention to the causes I n t ekl n e s °4l Pel the children to work at the factory, in '43' -' Pla 'ing in the fields, or learn at the . scho . ol, , f ?' th:°e,ll b e far better ocupied than in legislating I.q e ell-;lltHllate effects of the evils of restriction.. a That taitityilid.ten have no choice in the mattercer eenst,,ntt to be occupied as they are, so long 's nd so 444 ilk , ' i n labour so contrary to their natural a tasks 16114 °I ariatie ns, needs no proof, that the str h ong e e r s e t ilola"Le°Mpulsion is resorted to. How i elt ' l l ) lov e "ellPation of the Legislator, who seeks mue to find i l h r ii( Vt 'l l: e an nt for the father, sufficient to maintain the ' le t can L t ° regulate the hours of labour which the Ti le I" uear, to sustain the parent. . . rect con 84aJen 4etory system for the child is the di ji t vi tp r i ve ° a f the; em-law for t e li f e m ge a t n ri . eg The . parent his own _ i r ,_ ~, 4,,_, the . means . t 'l(1 fo„"° instead of being thrown on the :2, the ',. support, the factory works . ' '4il• utlilts of endurance, for his su ll ‘s i t s ena c t ia lc il e e d ,: th e %th e , r , ,l nd ~w i so and humane aristocratic legislato . r s s eet t tr'rita,- ""nntl by and see that the little wretch it 13 11 I 'r ° de ath, but anything short of this is permitted. l ... i . 0 4 .. e w ;I, o ' l ° ll r theme superior superior and lofty genius, who shall Vlsod 0 , _ m.iserable error of palliating . the effects, ' °lll and re moving the causes, of this monstrous which "taro 4,nlanstrous indeed must be that system, wnitt , I nfits t - t ''ne parent in idleness, and works the starved l'lgs of °deah befor e his eyes ; perverting the best e . _ t Yr a °ur nature into the worst principle sof social t e n3' 'et°, ' The Corn maw is the Moloch parent of the N 4 l fiend, De lli I:, of we able to acquit the Corn-law of a great I‘ls t , °- , of the criminal condition of the country. t he :: t° . like the English peasantry, see around them, use estate of the landowrers abounding with every tit4tr.4 Production of beauty and delight, and perceive t oil _wlth all their care and labour they cannot by mere e t ii7leire even a sufficiency of the hts sht;ei are likely to be led aside to irre gularirre habits, lir tf i e les!i labou r is brightened with the promise of more i t: I n : 1 %4 1 : 1 Z 111'. we to cultivate the mind when there N'lti l l e provision for the . body ? And without I end moral cultivation, how is man to be distill . - 4 '''s ed f rißti the beasts of the field? Only by his ltif,.:er amount of brutality. The Corn-law is th r e e tel4'., barbarous law that was evil. passed, for a me ‘ , L , I ou r us Mr. Justice Coltman is the Judge remaining in town during the present Assizes. AS T EATRICAL PERFORMANCES DURING LENT. The f„ flowing correspondence :has passed between Mr. Duncombe, M. P., and the lessee of Drurv-lane Theatre, en the subject of his recent motion in the House of Com mons : " Theatre-Royal, Drury-lane, March 1, 1839. " Sir—l take the liberty of inquiring whether the re sult c f your motion last evening in the House of Commons (to remove the restriction on the theatres within the city of Westminster, in Lent), be correctly reported in this morning's paper? ask this question for the regulation of my next week's entertainments, I avail myself of the opportunity afforded me of saying, that the theatrical community owe you a heavy debt of gratitude. " I have the honour to be, Sir, " Your obedient humble servant, "T. S. Duncombe, Esq., M.P. "A. BUNN, Lessee." " The Albany, March 2, 1 839. " Sr—The Report to which you allude is, I believe, perfectly correct. I enclose a copy of the resolution agreed to by the House of Commons : " That it is the opinion of this House that during Lent no greater restrictions should be placed upon theatrical entertainments within the City of Westminster than are placed upon the like amusements at tbe same period in every other paPt of the metropolis.' It seems to me impossible, after this deliberate proceeding of the House of Commons, that the Lord Chamberlain should any longer interpose his veto to the further injury of those who have already suffered by the course which the House of Commons has condemned. In allusion to the latter paragraph of your letter, I must be allowed to say that the theatrical community, who have been cruelly de prived of their bread, and the people of Westminster, who have been absurdly deprived of a rational amusement, are not indebted to any individual, but to the common sense of the majority who voted on this question. " I have thc: honour to be, Sir, " Your obedient and faithful servant, "THOMAS S. DUNCOMBE." " Alfred Bunn, Esq., Theatre Royal, Drury-lane." TRIAL OF .PITCH LAKE AS FUEL ON BOARD H. M. STEAMER PLUTO. (From the Trinidad Standard.) At the suggestion of his Excellency, the Lieutenant. Governer, Lieut. Lunn, commanding H. M. steamer Pluto, proceeded with this vessel down to Point La Brea, on Wednesday morning, for the purpose of ascertaining, by exptirnent, how far the pitch of our lake could be made Li vaibble as fuel for raising steam; although, from the abort time he could devote to the object of his trip, Lieut. Lunn did not expect to do more than make a very cursory experiment ; yet, so fully was he impressed with the importance to Government of any result of holding out a hope of the pitch ultimately rendering the im portation of coal into these colonies unnecessary, that his Excellency's proposal was immediately acceded to. Having received an invitation from the Commander of the Pluto, to accompany him on his trip, we considered that, as the trial of the pitch, if successful, might prove of much importance to the colony, we could not do better than accept the invitation, and become an eye-witness of the experiments to be m"de on board the steamer, nor did we find any cause for regretting our determination. On his arrival at La Brea, Lieutenant Lunn was most kindly received by the several gentlemen now residing there to superintend the shipment of this nova article of our commerce, who also afforded him all the information within their power, with every facility for visiting the lake and making the experiment. By nine o'clock on Thursday morning, several tons of pitch from the lake itself were sent alongside the steamer, presented gratis by Mr. Murphy. Being in bulk, however, its shipment occupied too much time "to allow of the whole being taken on board, but, having received about six tons by half-past ten o'clock, the Pluto started on her return to town. The fires bad been lighted with coal as usual, but, at starting, they were not fully established. Pitch was then added. The substance was found to ignite fairly, but when put into the furnace in large lumps, it melted more rapidly than it consumed, and, consequently, spread out into cakes, which were impervious to the draft of air through the grating bars, and trickled through the latter without being consumed. This was the first obstacle which presented itself, and it was met by breaking the pitch into smaller pieces. At eleven o'clock the engineer declared the steam " up," and the vessel going at her ordinary rate, from which hour he began to feed with pitch mixed with cinder, and without any addition of coal, returning into the fur nace, also, the masses of pitch and ashes formed under the grating bars. Using no other fuel, the steam kept up her speed with pretty fair regularity to the next two hours, but, after this pc•ricd, the steam began to sink. This was attri buted to the necessity of opening the furnace mouths continually, to stir up the fuel and prevent its cakingr thus admitting a large body of cold air, which, passing over the fuel and through the flues without being heated to its proper temperature, carried with it a por tion of the beat of the water, and reduced the steam. At two o'clock a portion of coal was resumed, and the pitch on the grating bars was broken up in such a way as to allow a freer current of air through them, and a little before three o'clock she was at anchor. The passage back occupied rather longer time than the passaue down, but, unde r th e c i rcumstances, t i me could not b e fa i rly taken into consideration. The experiment was made under all the disadvantages of entire novelty, and the want of opportunity for adapt ing either the fuel or the furnaces, so as to overcome difficulties which from time xo time presented themselves. The result, however, led Lieutenant Lunn and his chief engineer to the satisfactory conclusion, that pitch could be advantageously used as fuel by being mixed with coal, and that the proportions appeared to be about two of the former to one of the latter. In the course of the experiment the following observe lons were made : The pitch began to evolve gas sooner and to give more flame than coal. It_ consumed a large portion of its own smoke by the assistance of the gas it emitted. The smell from it produced no inconvenience, either to the men connected with the engine or to others on board. The refuse left after burning was principally earth and ashes, without clinker or bard cinder. That, from tendency to cake and choke the draft, the ordinary grating bars were not wide enough apart, and that the bars would require to be arranged upon the principle which breaks up the fuel without any necessity for opening the mouth of the fur nace. That the pitch which had run through the furnace bars, and become mixed with the cinders, was better fuel than the pitch in its natural state. We have spoken of this experiment as merely a cursory one. We feel, however, that, even with this character, it may lead to results highly important to the colony, as Lieut. Lunn will, nu doubt, make it the subject of an official report, on bis return to Barbadoes. THE LATE OUTRAGE UPON THE BRITISH FLAG. ADDITIONAL PARTICULARS. ( From the Falmouth .A'xpress.) Every hour we are furnished by our kind friends with some more disfiguring feature in this atrocious affair; but we positively accept no information which at the same time cannot offer us a sufficient proof of its authenticity. The more we learn of the transaction, the more are we convinced that it constitutes a very proper sub ject for the strict investigation of a British Parliament, and the examination at the bar of both Houses of the parties who are capable of throwing satisfactory light upon it. The gentleman who acts as the English Consul at Vera Cruz, Mr. Gifford, a native of Jersey, is also the Consul for France. At the moment of an invasion by the French this two-fold capacity is at least inconvenient, and certainly extraordinary. Remembering that our packets do not usually employ a pilot—that Lieutenant Croke had eight times visited Vera Cruz without engaging one, and that his having one on board on this occasion, was purely the accident of his running for anchorage at the Island of Sa crificios, we venture to ask Mr. Gifford, this Anglo- Gallic Consul, as the person mostlikely to be able to inform us, how Admiral Baudin happened to know that the English packet would this time certainly have a pilot on board. And lastly, we would ask Mr. Gifford, as the Consul of France, if Prince de Joinville did, on his own authority, compel the surrender of the pilot, for what purpose Admiral Baudin expended a 'certain little item of 20,000 francs! Pro. bably as the Consul to the invading power, Mr. Gifford night enlighten the British Parliament on these interesting questions. And since he can reconcile the discharge of his duties as Consul to a neutral power, with those to a bom barding one, he may reconcile with an explicit candour to the British Legislature, the maintenace of a very deli cate confidence with his belligerent employers. At least we trust, the satisfying of such questions would not be pet sot ally inconvenient to his friends. The service of a native pilot at the moment of taking position for bom barding, would not be extravagantly paid for at the sum of twenty thousand francs. But the pilot did not get them. Lieutenant Croke made his first communication to Cap tain Robb, of the Satellite, when he joined that ship. It was that officer's duty to have reported the occurcnce to his Commander-in- Chief on the station; but it was also his duty to have sent a duplicate of that report to the Ad miralty. His that report been received by Lord Mint° ? Or has this Government some new method of transacting the business of the nation, the chief excellency of which is that it spares themselves trouble? There were at least forty passengers on board the Express, all of whom were necessarily witnesses of the outrage on our Queen's ship. The Express superseded the Melville (the only civilian packet) to Vera Cruz, because she was a man-of-war and, as such, considered better calculated for protecting the honour of the British, flag at a port in state of blockade. Admiral Baudin, after his late insult on the British flag, is continued by the French Government in command of the French squadron. Lotus see how it has been usual for a Government to act in such cases. In the year 1811-12, Admiral Berkeley commanded the British fleet on the American station. Being informed that deserters from the English ships had joined the Chesa peake, and were then serving on board of her, he ordered Captain Humphries to interdept the American, and de. mand the men. The Leopard shortly fell in with the Ctiesapeake, and sent a boat alongside of her, requesting the surrender of the English deserters known to be on beard of her ! Commodore Barron (we believe that was the American officer's name) positively refused to comply. An action took place, the Chesapeake struck, and the American officer tendered his sword. The men were removed. Immediately on receiving intelligence, the American Government addressed to the English en indignant remon strance. " Admiral Berkeley was instantly recalled, and Captain Humphries was for a considerable time unemployed 1" Such was " the handsome and courteous apology" prof fered Ly England to the Republican States ! Tuti: SUN, LONDoN, WRDNESDAY, VC!! ( 1839. which were known to the Guardians before the marriage took place. This could not have occurred under the old law, at least without the Clergyman being subject to Church censure as well as other punishment. Lord LILFORD said that as ex-officio Chairman of the Beard of Guardians of the Holborn Union, he had received two letters, from which it appeared that the petition which had been presented by the Right Reverend Prelate as the petition of that Board of Guardian s was not the petition of that Board, nor bad it ever been before the Board. It MIS true that it was signed by some of the members of the Board, but it could only be taken to be the pe tition of such persons as had signed it. He desired to abstain from giving any opinion on the legality of the marriage, and only wished to set the House right as to the source from whence the petition came. Lord BROUGHAM said that the objection of mar rying persons in a parish, without knowing that they were resident in that parish, was an objection that ap plied to the old Act. In some instances, where par ties knew they were not entitled to be married in certain parishes, they_ went to very largely populated parishes, consisting perhaps of 8,000 or 10,000 inhabi tants, and then it was almost impossible to become ac quainted with all the circumstances of the parties who contracted marriages. Some persons thought it was the most easy thing in the world to make a new law, and such a new law as would be calculated to meet every event, but those who lived the longest in West minster Hall, and tried their hand the most at law making, feund that it was the most difficult thing in the world to make a general law calculated to effect every object upon every subject. He would fain hope, however, that the Right Rev. Prelate's observations, which were most useful, would direct the attention of those whose duty it was to attend to such affairs as this, to the subject. Here were two mar riages which were, in point of fact, no marriages at all—the issue of which were illegitimate, and where nothing could be done to cure that law. He did not know who the person was who hid been adverted to, but he was certainly a very rash individual. His Noble Friend who spoke last had declined to give an opinion on the legality of the marriages, but he (Lord B.) desired it to be distinctly understood that no doubt whatever existed of the illegality of the marrilg-es. The Judges had solemnly decided for a century past that such marriage s were illegal. A Bill had been brought in by him (Lord B.), to which great attention had been given by his Noble and Learned Friend oppo, , ite, with 1 a view to cure the conflicts that existed between the I Scotch marriage law and the English marriage law, which presented on the one hand the I most painful uncertainty, and on the other the moat absurb anomalies. The highest interests of society re quired that the law of marriage should be clear and easy to be understood. As the laws existed at present, a arriage might be lawful in Scotland and unlawful in England. A man might contract a marriage which would be perfectly lawful, but yet, if the same marriage had been contracted 50 yards towards the south from the place at which it was solemnized,-such marriage would subject the man to transportation for bigamy. Such a circumstance had actually occurred. A most respectable man at Liverpool had mistaken the law. Instead of being married in Scotland he was married in England, and for that marriage he was sentenced to transportation to Botany Bay. Subsequently his sentence was commuted to two years on board the hulks.—(Hear, hear.) If he had been married in Scotland, the law of England could not have touched him. The twelve Judges had to be assembled on that occasion, and they decided that the marriage 'was illegal. Lord LYNDIIURST—He was afterwards par doned. Lord BROUGHAM said he was pardoned, if that was to be called a pardoning after he had been two or three years on board the hulks. The man was thus punished because it was said to be necessary in this way to stamp the act to be as illegal. The still more absurd anomaly followed that a man was actually a bastard in England, while he was legitimate in Scotland, from the ante-nuptial law being different in the two countries. From that cause the same individual was legitimate in one country, and would be seized of lands as well as chattels there, while he w3s illegitimate in the other and could be seized of neither. A further absurdity was the fact,:that in Engl..nd a man might be a bastard when he went into a court of law, and legitimate when he went into a court of equity ; so that he might be a bastard, and incapable of enjoying one estate, and le gitimate so as to be capable of enjoying another estate. These were gross absurdities, and the sooner the atten tion of the Legislature was drawn to it so as to do away with them the better. He (Lord B.) in 1835 had brought in a Bill with a view to remedy the state of the law, but he was about that time in very ill health, and consequently ho had not been able to proceed with it. His Noble and Learned Friend had given great atten- mto it. He (Lord B.) was very anxious again to apply himself to the' bringin g forward of some such measure, which should also be calculated to prevent another mockery of the law, viz., the prevention of the mar riage of infants without proper consent. This part of the law was oven to those who were not likely to be the subjects or objects of it, hut the law had no operation as regarded those who could pay for post-horses to carry them to the Scotch borders. At the time that Norrie was convicted—the person's case to which he had alluded —he was counsel in that case, and he remembered stat ing that the Lord Chancellor, the Lord Primate, and the Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal, all of that day, had married their wives at Gretna Green.—(Hear, hear, and great laughter.) Every one of those great officers of State had themselves actually evaded the law of marriage of this country.—(Hear, hear.) Was it not absurd that such a state of things should exist ? The Legislature ought to be able to prevent the great mischiefs that might thus arise from marriages by those who could in this manner evade the law by running a race against it to Gretna Green. He should be most unwilling to make any alteration affecting the law of Scotland without the concurrence of persons there, who everybody knew to be persons of great learning, ability, and transcendent worth, but he had no doubt that they would be very happy to have some of the absurd anomaliek of the marriage law removed. Lord ELLENBOROUGH made a few observa tions which were not heard in the gallery. Lord MELBOURNE was exceedingly sorry to hear the observations which had been made by the Right Reverend Prelate. Unless there was accu racy in the registration of the births of chil dren, persons would be discouraged from bring ing their children to receive the rites of bap tism. If any Registrar had done anything to discou rage that, the Right Rev. Prelate must know that such a person had acted contrary in that respect to the in structions of the Registrar-General. He (Lord M.) had not brought down those instructions with him, kit so far as he recollected them, they were in very strong and very explicit language. He entirely. agreed with the Right Rev. Prelate that it was incambent on o th i e m L: r g in is g l e a s tu h re ad to be w e a n te s l u i b t j l e ie ct w t o o rk g in r g ea s t o a f b t u hi s s e. Bil l l, f more especially as their Lordships k new th a t th e so l emn ization took it from the dispensation of the Roman Catholics— if they tookit from the period of the Reformation of this country to the passing of the Marriage Act ' they all knew that what was called the Fl ee t marr i a ges had taken place in a manner which was neither conducive to the interests of the State nor suited to the character and profession of the Clergy. lf their Lordships considered what had been the state of the Marriage Law when the Act was passed, and which abuses it was intended to prevent, they would remember that marriages had been solemnized which ought never to have taken place ; and when every one knew that those things did happen, when the solemnization of the marriage rested entirely with the Clergy, it was absolutely necessary, now that the so lemnization of marriages was confided to others than the Clergy, to watch narrowly what was taking place. The Bishop of LONDON certainly complained that the Registrars had actually discouraged the baptism of children. He intimated that i t was and in not necessary that registration should tak e p l ace immediately ; the conseq uence was that the y wer e de layed from week to wee k, from month to mlnth, f rom year to year, and so they. never got baptized at all. H e complained that the re g istration of the births of chil dren by the Church w as not left alone. Lord ELLENBOR OUGH wished to know if this in struct th u ra t ut y c tt w h is ec l n e ll e ft irng t y o wd a h ni what o fin was o e t e r t t o ei r out amongc o i f u t t y h e ? Crutch,then people The Bishop of LONDON thought that th e N o b le ' Lord might have spared that invidious reflection on t h e Clergy. Did it follow that because an officer went among the people to tell the m that their children need not be baptized, or that ceremony would do at any su b . Clergy Clergy sequent time, that the Clergy did not do their duty ? It was not unlikely that where a little e expenditure was might listen with eagerness t o rstatementequir required, the h y peoplewhich any they might be enabled to avoid diffe course of that expense. As one of the Clergy,. n . e must express a hope that the Noble Lord 09 consideration would allow ured to war s t n t o h t e well refl ectionfoundedh.e had just thrown on the Lord ELLEN BOROUG H.—lf the man took much trouble to disabuse the minds of th e poor, he would easily counteract .the poison of the Registrar the Church would be believed.. The Bishop of LONDON—There . is this dreer what e ha a t l h o e ng req t r i e r g n c u e m . e n The t to proveC lClergyman y t a ll - C an iv n ecessity oul be done, whereas the other only used the a rgument that a shilli ng wou ld be saved — one whic h was easily understood. - intention to bring forward the motion upon the day for which it stood in the book. He had not yet finally , fixed, but his intention was to postpone it for one week, He would however, on Thursday, be prepared to give a precise answer. _ _ _ The Marquis of SALISBURY believed that that would bring it into Passion Week—it would also be important that the House should be put in possession of the terms of the intended resolution. Lord BROUGHAM—Under such circumstances he was sure that his Noble Friend would not bring forward the motion to the inconvenience of their Lord ships. His Noble Friend would of course see the pro- priety of giving the House the earliest information as to the exact terms of his resolution. No doubt the House would be put in possession of it on Thursday next; or at all events on Monday. CASE OF MICHAEL BRYAN. The Earl of CHARLEVILLE wished to know whether the Governmmt would have any objection to grant a return of the correspondence and communications that had passed in the case of Michael Bryan ; he and the Noble Marquis were at issue as to some of the facts, and in consequence he (the Earl of Charleville) had written to the surgeon of Tullamore gaol. The letter was to the effect that the surgeon had never given it as his opinion that Bryan was unfit for a sea voyage ; on the contrary, that Bryan was in perfect health now, and that all that previously had been the matter with him was a sore leg, and no internal or serious disease. The Marquis of NORMANBY said it was not merely a surz. on's report which had induced the com mutation of Bryari's sentence of transportation. But various reasors, among which one was, that Bryan (who had been guilty of a most horrid outrage, that of knocking out the eye of a one legged man) had been recommended to mercy by the prosecutor, having given 101. to the party injured, as some compensation for the outrage. He (the Marquis of Normanby) had not con sulted the surgeon of the Tull.more gaol ; but it was the surgeon of the transport, who had stated that Bryan was unfit for a long sea voyage. He could not consent to the production of the recommendations and memo rials, which, unless in extraordinary cases, ware confi dential communications. The Marquis of WESTME A.TH said he wished to postpone his !notion rill Thursday. The M:trquis of N ORMA NBY had no objection to the postponement, but he would remind the Noble Marquis oppo,ite that he had said that the abuses of his (the Marquis of Normanby's) government in Ire land would occupy the entire of a week in detailing. The Marquis of WESTMEATH—And that is my honest opinion.—(A laugh.) Their Lordships adjourned before Seven o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MARCH 5. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. NEW MEMBER. Mr. PIGOTT, the new Member for the borough of Conine', tou k the oaths and his seat. Mr. Crater, from the Treasury, appeared at the bar with returns, which were laid on the table. Mr. GREENE brought up the Report of the Com mittee on petitions stating that the Standing Orders had been complied with by the Birmingham and Gloucester Railway Company, the Manchester Im provemeut Company, Preston and Wyre Railway and Dock Company, and the Rochester Cemetery Com pany, and Bills were ordered to be brought in for them. IMPERIAI.7, PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS, illiztem 5.. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at Five o'Clock. The Duke of BUCKINGHAM presented a petition from a parish in Liaeolnshire against any alteration in the Corn-laws. Lord RALEIGH presented petition from various places in Essex against any alteration in the Corn-laws. The Marquis of WESTMEATH wished to know from the Noble Marquis opposite how soon it was likely that the Chancellor of Ireland would be in his place, because he had two or three cases of interference that he 'considered very important to be brought forward, but in deference to the . Noble and Learned Lord, he. did not wish to bring theM forward in his absence, provided he was likely to he in his place shortAy, and provided the Noble Marquis thought it necessa ry that be should be present, although the No l ole and Learned Lard had seemed to throw the kraos arising from those cases upon the Government of Irel Ldrather than to take it to himself. The Marquis of NORMANBY said that his Noh!e and Learned Friend was in possession of all the facts f those cases, and therefore it would be desirable that he should be present when the subject of them was brought on. He could not say with precision when he would be here, as he was at present exercising the office of Lord Chief Justice, though he had intended to be here by this time. CHARTISTS. The Duke of BUCKINGHAM wished to know, from the Noble Lord opposite, whether any information had reached her Majesty's Government, that certain persons called Chartists bad armed themselves. Viscount MELBOURNE said he was perfectly aware that a certain set of persons, who were called Chartists, h d armed themselves. Lord MI LVILLE presented a petition front Edin burgh, praying for Church accommodation. Lord FOLEY presented several petitions, praying for an alteration in the Corn-laws. A NOBLE LORD presented a petition from a place in Scotland, praying for additional Church accommodation. Lord REDESDALE presented petitions from Yarmouth, Wokingham, and Oawestry, against any al teration in the Corn-laws. The Marquis of NORMANBY laid on the table, returns of the Clergy Reserves of Canada. MARRIAGE ACT. The Bishop of LONDON wished that a Noble Lord had - been in his place, who was in the habit of taking an interest in the Board of Guardians, before he had risen to wake the observations he was about to submit, but as those observations would not affect the Board of Guardians, the absence of that Noble Lord was the less to be regretted. His observations would relate to a subject that was no otherwise important than as it bore on the marriage law. Their Lordships were all aware that about two :years ago a Bill passed, altering in a great degree the law of marriage in order to satisfy certain Dissenters, who held it to be a grievance to be married according to the religious forms of theEstablishedChurch. Amongst other things it was at that time apprehended that that Bill would afford facilities to clandestine mar riages, and the petitions he held in his hand would show that apprehension was not altogether unfounded. The number of marriages that had been solemnised since the passing of the Act otherwise than according to the forms of the Church had been very insignificant—so insignificant, that had the Legislature known, it probably would have hesitated before it had made such an innovation on the then (stablished law as this Bill made. However, whatever number of Dissenters felt themselves to be aggrieved, it was the duty of their Lordships to afford them relief ; the question was whether the relief provided would not be attended with more serious cause of grievance than the comparatively small grievance that existed before. He held in his hand two pe titions, one from the Board of Guardians of the Oundle Union, and the other from the Clergy in the neighbourhood, and they tended to show that the law as it now stood, was not calculated to heighten but rather to lower the tone of public feeling as to the marriage standard. Theirwas something that might, perhaps, excite a smile in the circumstance towhich hewas about to allude, which was the fact referred to in one of the petitions, of a case of marriage, solemnised by the superintendent of the Oundle Union, betlCreen a young man and his wife, who was his grandmother—(Laughter)—and who were therefore incapable of contracting a marriage. He did not mean to impute blame to any of the parties, concerned, except the two persons themselves. With respect to the conduct of the Registrar-General, he was a person for whom he (the Bishop of London) entertained very great respect, and although he had committed an error to a certain extent, it should be regarded with leniency, as mistakes were likely to occur in the administration of a law which had intro duced such important and extensive innovations into the law of the country. But because it was an inno vation, the parties who were to administer it, should have proceeded with the greatest caution, so as to prevent those evils and offences against mo rality and religion, which were likely to arise. The Right Rev. Prelate then read the petition at length, and proceeded. He regretted that the Regis trar had not taken the advice of Ecclesiastical Lawyers, who would have at once decided that the marriage was within the prohibited degrees. As soon as the objection had been pointed out the Registrar, had issuer! an injunction, but it was too late, for the marriage had been already solemnized. He had also a petition from the Board, of Guardians to the same effect. There was ano•Caer complaint made by the Clergy who bad signed the petition—that the marriage had been performed without the usual notice, and in defiance of the caution of the Vicar. He thought it was the duty of the Registrar to institute some inquiry into the matter. He had no complaint to make of the conduct of the Registrar-General, but ho hoped he would be excused for calling their Lordships' attention to the fact, in order that some measures might he taken for rendering such a case impossible again. He had intended at first to have moved, for the whole of the correspondence that had passed between the parties and the Registrar- General, but he did not now see that any good end would be served by so doing, and as he did not wish to give pain to the several parties unnecessarily, he would not then do so. While he was upon this subject their Lordships, he hoped, would allow him to make a few observations upon another Act which passed at the same time, he alluded to the Act for the Regis tration of Births. The Marriage Act would. do but little harm, because it would never be much acted on, but the Act for the Registration of Births had done much harm to the Church, not as an establishment, though in that way she suffered _much, but she felt more because that she lost her influence over the lower orders. One distressing case had occurred lately. It was brought under his notice by a surgeon, who wrote him at the suggestion of the mother of a child which had not been baptized, and the clergyman of course refused to bury it with the usual ceremonies. He (the Bishop of London) was obliged to say that the clergy man was not only right, but that he was ex pressly forbid to do so. On inquiry he found that the mother had been informed, that having regis tered the birth of the child, there was nothing else re quired, and of course, the feelings of the parents were much hurt at the want of the usual religious solemnities. It was unfortunate that any slur should have been cast upon Ecclesiastical registration, which was closely connected with baptism, and the instructions issued by the Registrar-General were calculated, though doubtless unintentionally, to produce in the lower orders, a disregard of the initiatory rite of reli gion. In conclusion the Right Rev. Prelate complained of the provision by which a penalty of 101. was imposed upon every Clergyman who interred a corpse without giving notice to the registrar. That provision, he said unjustly reflected on the Clergyman, and was too vague and indefinite, because it did not specify to which Registrar notice was to be given. The LORD CHANCELLOR. said the Right Rev. Prelate had truly stated the facts of the case. At the same time, although the marriage was be tween a grandmother and a grandson, the grandmother was under age. It had unfortunately happened, that when the caveat was transmitted to the Registrar- General, that officer was absent, or the answer would not have been sent as had been—(Hear, hear) —and when the Superintendent-Registrar was subsequently written to, the marriage had taken place. The question now to be considered was, whether the public had full security under the law as it stood against the recurrence of similar instances. He would there- fore state what were the regulations adopted in the Registrar-General's Office in such cases. Upon a caveat being entered the Superintendent Registrar sent a copy to the party giving notice of the marriage, requiring to be informed whether the objec tions were admitted or denied ; if denied, the party ob- jetting was asked for further statements. If there was any doubt in the case, the caveat was trans mitted to the Registrar-General, with copies of all the documents, and all the correspondence, together with written statements of any verbal communications. If no caveat was entered, and no one knew what was to take place, there was not and, could not be any objec tion. It was utterly impossible in a very large and populous parish, in some instances, to know or to sus pect any invalidity between two parties who came to contract marriage. When the Registrar was not able to come to a satisfactory decision be was to inquire into the facts and transmit the whole to the Registrar- General ; and if the Registrar-General had been pre sent, undoubtedly what was now complained of would not have taken place. The regulations which had been passed were well calculated to elicit the facts which were necessary to be'known, in order to prevent improper marriages taking place. He (the Lord Chan cellor) was not aware of any general regulation that could be made, better calculated to secure the object desired, and upon the whole he considered these regula tions very well calculated to secure the object. The Bishop of LONDON said he was informed of another case which was still stronger than what bad been mentioned, where a marriage took place between a man and his wife's . sister's 'daughter, the facts of CORN-LAWS. The Marquis of SALISBURY said a notiee of motion respecting Corn-laws bad been given b y a Noble Earl whom he did not now see in his place, Could the Noble and Learned Lord opposite inform the House whether it w as the intention of that Noble Earl to bring on the motion upon the day on which it was then fixed. Lord BROUGHAM wished that it was in hi s power to give a more decisive answer than it was now in his power to do. He was in correspondence with his Noble Friend, and he could say that it was not his Mr. C 0 U RTE NA Y presented a petition from Bridg water (as we understood), complaining that certain pro perty had been left to be devoted for the purposes of educating children belonging to the Church of England ; that up to the passing of the Municipal Reform Act those trusts had been faithfully executed by the then existing trustees, but since that period new Charity Trustees had been nominated by the Lord Chancellor, the majority of whom were Dissenters, and that now children not of the Church of England derived advantage from this charity, and praying the House for redress. In making this state ment he (Mr. Courtenay) wished it to be distinctly un derstood that he did not cast any imputation on the Lord Chancellor, he had acquainted the Noble and Learned Lord with the substance of this petition, and the Noble Lord had stated his ignorance of the fact of these trustees being Dissenters, so that it was evident that the Noble and Learned Lord had been greatly deceived. Ordered to lie on the table. - Mr. KINNAIRD presented a petition from Lanark against any additional endowment to the Church of Scotland. Mr. S. LEFEVRE presented a petition from North ampton against the Beer Act. Lord DALMENY presented a:, petition from Stir ling, prayinc , for the abolition of the Corn-laws. Mr. H. dRATTA.N presented a petition from 11Ieath against the Tithe Act passed last Session, and praying for its repeal. BEER HOUSES. Mr. HALFORD presented a petition from the Ma gistrates of Leicester, in Quarter Sessions, praying for a correction of the evils arising from the present system of beer shops. Mr. WARBURTON presented a petition from Huddersfield, signed by upwards of 9,000 persons, in favour of the existing beer-shops, and representing that poverty and want of education had produced the evils which were often ascribed to the influence of the beer shops. Mr. PALMER presented a petition from Berkshire in favour of an alteration in the beer-shop system. Mr. HODGES presented a petition from the Western Divis.on of the county of Kent, and signed by eighteen Resident County Magistrates, twenty-six Clergymen, eleven Solicitors, thirty-seven Churchwar dens, Guardians of the Poor, &c., six Bankers, and a great number of independent Gentlemen, to the number of 140, resiGing in the neighbourhood of Maidstone, aincht a very crowded population, complaining of the injurious effects of the beer-shops on the rural popula tion, and stating that these ill effects were lamented by every Grand Jury pres,ntment ; by every Judge's charge; by every account of the Commissioners of Insolvent Debtors ; and were evidenced by every police report, and by the crowded state of every gaol. The Hon. Member also presented a petition from the same county in favour of the Corn-laws. Colonel RUS HBRO 0 KE presented a great number of petitions from Suffolk to a similar effect. . Mr. HALE (we believe) presented similar petitions from the county of Worcester. Mr. CHRISTOPHER presented a petition against any alteration in the Corn•laws. Mr. PENDARVES presented a petition from the Compositors in the employ of Mr. Clowes against the Copyright Bill. CORN-LAWS. Mr. SANFORD. presented a petition from forty six parishes in the Vale of Taunton, praying the House not to make any alt orations in the Corn-laws. BEER ACT. The HON. GENTLEMAN also presented a pe tition, signed by forty Magistrates of the county of So merset, complaining of the operation of the Beer•laws, and praying the House to apply such remedies to the evil as will be most effectual ; also a petition from Lang ford to the same effect. Mr. PARKER presented a petition from the Mayo:, Town-Council, and inhabitants of Preston against the Beer Act. Mr. ROUND presented a petition from the county of Essex against any further grant to the College of Maynooth Mr. MUSKETT presented a petition from St. Alban's, Hemel Hempstead, Tring, and other places in Hertfordshire, praying for the abolition of the punish ment of death i❑ all cases except for murder. LUNATIC ASYLUMS. Mr. BARN ABY presented a petition praying for an inquiry into the state of lunatic asylums. CORN-LAWS. Sir HENRY PARNELL presented a petition from Dundee, praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws. Mr. VILLIERS presented a petition from a place, the name of which we could not learn, praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws. Mr. CAYLEY presented petitions from various places in the North Riding of Yorkshire, against any alteration taking place in the existing system of Corn laws. Mr. JERVIS presented a petition very numerously signed, which had been agreed to at a county meeting of Carnarvon, praying for a total repeal of the Corn laws. This meeting, at which the High Sheriff had presided, had been called for the purpose of petitioning in favour of the existing system of Corn-laws. This petition had ben proposed as an amendment and car ried.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. BETHEL presented petitions from several places in the East Riding of Yorkshire, praying the House not to consent to any alteration in the present system of Corn-laws. Mr. W. O'BRIEN presented a petition from some place in the county of Limerick, against any repeal in the existing system of Corn laws. -- SALE OF BEER ACT. Mr. ALSTON presented a petition, signed by .57 Magistrates of the coun t y o f Hertford, against the present system of selling beer by retail. Mr. PAKINGTON presented petitions from the Magistrates of the county of Worcester, complaining of the ill effects produced by the existence of beer shops, and praying the House to make some alteration in the laws relating to them. Also a petition from seventy-three Magistrates of the county of Kent to the same effect. Also a petition from the Magistrates of of the county of Lancaster, agreed to at the last Quar ter Sessions, praying for some alteration in the law re lating to beer-shops ; and another from the town of Stourport, to the same effect. CHURCH ACCOMMODATION(SCOTLAND). Sir GEORGE CLERK presented a petition from the Kirk Sessions of some place in Scotland, praying that the House would adopt measures for an increase of Church Accommodation. NATIONAL EDUCATION. Mr. DARBY presented a petition from several in habitants of the county of Sussex, praying the House not to consent to any system of National Education that was not founded on Scripture. ABUSE OF CHARITY TRUSTS. LOSS OF LIFE IN COAL-MINES. Mr. MARK PHILLIPS gave notice that to-mor row he should move for a return of the Coroners' In quests held on persons kil!ed during the last five years in the mines of Northumberland, Cumberland, Durham, Westmoreland, Ynrk, Derby, and Stafford, distinguish ing the aie and sex of the individuals who had been killed, and the verdicts returned. NSULT TO THE BRITISH FLAG. An HON. MEMBER on the Opposition side of the House, whose name we could not learn, said he had seen an article in the Times newspaper affecting; the conduct of the Officer in command at Vera Cruz. He wished to ask the Under Secretary to the Ad miralty whether the Admiralty were satisfied with the conduct of that officer on that'occasion ? Mr. C. WOOD was sorry'to do so, but he really must decline answering the question, which he did not 'kink a proper one to be put ;it this moment. NAVY ESTIMATES. Sir G. CLERK believed the rule of the House was tbat on Wednesdays Orders of the Day should take precedence of Notices, and it was understood that the orders were to be taken into consideration as they stood in the book. As there were several questions which might occupy a considerable time, he wished to ask whether it was intended to take precedence on the motion for going into Committee of Supply with the resumption of the debate on the Nave• Estimates. Mr. C. WOOD could not answer the question in the absence of Lord John Russell. The SPEAKER said, if there was any intention to depart from the rule, it was necessary notice should be gizen.—( Hear, hear.) Lord HO WICK said, if Hon. Gentlemen were dis posed to waive their claims of priority, it would be a great convenience. —(Hear, hoar.) STATE OF THE NAVY. Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON—It might be considered that there. was little more to be said upon the subject of the Navy, but he could assure' the House that in the very able speech which had fallen from the Honourable Secretary to the Admiralty, the topics he was about to bring under the notice of the House had not been touched. He would press his sentiments on the House, because he knew that according to the present system gross injustice had been done. He could assure the Hon. Secretary that ships alone would not make a fleet—something more was re quired, which the present system did not do much towards obtaining. He wished to pro duce, if possible, that which was very much wanted —contentment among the officers and the men in every ship in the service. There was one point which be wished to press very strongly upon the attention of the Board of Admiralty , it was that no ship of war, of whatever kind, should ever be sent out to sea, unless she had such a compliment of officers and men as would enable her to meet any exigency. On the Ist of June, when serving in Lord Howe's ship (as we understood) the ships had such a complement of men as gave 11 to every 18 pounder, and 13 to every 32, but at Navarino the battle was fought with a com plement which gave only 93 . - men to every 32 pounder. He hoped that the House would give him their attcn _ _ too for a few minutes, for the subject was one of the very gravest importance.—(Hear, hear, hear.) He (Sir E. Codrington) pledged himself that no officer anxious to do his duty would not prefer the worst ships in the Navy, manned as they ought to be, to the finest ships that could. be built, manned 'as they were at present. With the smaller and inferior ships, if manned with such officers and men as used to form our Navy, he would go into action against the half-manned large ships with a perfect certainty of success.. Much was said about timber and stores, but they were not much cared for in the Navy, and some of our greatest victories bad been won by ships very imperfectly stored— when properly manned.—(Hear, hear.) He would show that there is no office under Government held by civilians, the holders of which were not allowed to retire with. half the servitude and double the pay of naval officers. He would just refer to the names of such officers as Admiral Keats, who had been in a great number of general actions, and greatly distinguished themselves, and who, after fifty or sixty years' ser vice, retired upon a half pay of 7661. 10s. a year. Out of that half-pay they contributed to Greenwich hospital, and to a Widows' Pension. Let Gentlemen compare that with the Pensi'm List, and with the amount which different Ladies received for pensions, and then let them say whether justice was done to seamen. He believed great disappointment had been felt in conse quence of certain pensions not having been considerably reduced ; and when they found that certain pensions were still continued without any claims whatever, and that the widows and daughters of an Admiral, who had distinguished himself for his bravery, would be only al lowed 1201. a-year, he thought some revision was wanted, not only of the Pension List itself, but also pensions and rewards given to Officers of the Navy. He did not complain of the amount given to others. His complaint was, that officers of the Navy should be treated worse than any other class of persons who served the Govern ment.—( Hear, hear.) It would appear, as though it were a luxury to run the risk of being shot at, and it had been said, " Oh! but you gain honours." lie had alluded to this on a former occasion, and no doubt honours were very pretty to look at, but there was very tittle substance in them, and when a man was called upon to pay for them, perhaps they were not so very desirable. He thought honours ought to be given without being asked for, and certainly without being paid for.—(Hear, hear.) He could mention the case of an Admiral who died a few years ago, and whose two daughters were obliged to go to a private charity called the Benevolent Naval Society, and receive 25/. a-year each, to keep them from starv ing. He would ask whether that was the way in which the children of an Admiral ought to be treated ?—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") This was a question that had nothing to do with party—(Cheers)—and there was no man, in or out of the House, that did not feel ashamed that such a state of things should be allowed to continue, and who would not express his willingness to endeavour to have them remedied.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") Those whO were in power ought to come forward boldly, and ask for a sum of money-requisite for the purpose of meeting such cases. He would now refer to an Admiral's full pay ; and here he had to find fault with the mode in which it was put down in the official documents. The Admiral's pay and the table money was put down as the Admiral's pay only. The table money and the Admiral's pay ought to be kept distinct.—(Hear, hear.) The pay of a Rear-Admiral was 1,0951. a year, and he was certain that unless he was always living at sea, or lived in a very close manner, he must spend a great deal more. But then what had he to retire on ? He had to retire on half-pay, 4501. a-year, so that he was expected to save money out of 1,0951. a-year, and to live upon 4501. per annum. Then, again, the table money was a mere pittance, and was not sufficient to enable a man to keep an open house. He thought he had stated enough to show that Admirals were not paid in pro portion to the duties they were called upon to perform lie called upon the House to consider the situation in which we were placed and he hoped the Admiralty would be induced to come forward and remedythose grievances. He might mention one instance, that of Capt. Fitzroy, who had expended no less than 7,0001. of his own mo ney in performing his duty in an efficient manner. He could mention a great number of instances in which officers were out of pocket, but he thought this an instance which required the attention of the Admiralty. If they had not the means of remu nerating their], he would urge them to come forward and state . the case, and he was sure the House would not only give the money, but that the country would cheerfully consent to it, for it was not right that an officer who was desirous of doing his duty efficiently should lies , for the honour of performing it. He had said that Admi rals. were very ill paid, whether on full or half-pay. He had documents to prove it. He now came to the class of Commanders, in whose situation there was great pecu liarity. They did not rise regularly as Post Captains did, and they had no retirement. Now he could not understand what hesitation there could be in giving a retirement. Let them give those gentlemen who had no chance of rising in the Service an inducement to retire, and it would be the means of clearing the list. It would be a most benefical thing for the Government and the country, if carried into execution, and be could not understand why it was not, as the First Lord of the Admiralty fully agreed with him in opinion. Amongst these various complaints there was one case, that of the Lieutenants, which he had brought before the House on a former occasion, and which he would advert to now.—(Hear, hear.) It was well known from the quantity of Lieutenants that it was absolutely - impossible to employ any con siderable proportion of them. But there was a time when the Lieutenants regularly rose on the half-pay list within a certain portion of time to receive instead of 55., Gs. or 7s. a-day. It took now nearly double the time to arrive at that sum, but in consequence of many of these Lieutenants complaining, a boon was given to them to be allowed to be called Captains, but on condition that they were to have no more than 7s. a-day. There were thus several Commanders on the retired list at 7s. per day. Now, whatever the regulations of the Admiralty might be on this subject, the wording of the votes of that House was that three hundred Lieutenants should have 7s. a-day each, and he (Sir Edward C o drington) should like to know by what right that money was withheld from them which was voted to them b y this House. He had moved, on a former occasion, for the production of the documents authorising this. Observations had been made on these Orders in Council. He could not under stand why these Orders in Council were not produced. Why should doubts as to the construction of these regu lations exist ? Why should the officers of the Navy not know what they were? In order to know what they were it was necessary that the naval officer should buy every quarter one of tho se lit t l e bl ue b oo k s , w hi c h we re so wretchedly printed that they could scarcely be read, and as he had not for some time past been actively em ployed, he really did not know any thing about it. He thought that these things should be so regulated that superior officers in the service should have it in their EVENING pow -er to refer to these regulations, so a s t o b e a bl e to g i v e infort, -.awn to those who might apply to them on the sub. - ject. He • should beglad to have these Orders in Councilput before the House, in order that it might b e k nown w h at 'w draw the attention of .th e H ouse to illations at present existing on th e su bj ect , were the re fs He tv.ould no another class of e nstance,he would relate the case of .) As an i officers who were suffer - jog unde r great bardships.—.( Har Lieutenant Keys. H e believedthat that officer had r Ae . ently (since attentio n h a d b een -ed the out-pension of Green drawn to the case) remit wich Hospital, which amounted to 501. per annum ; j :u but • this officer had been' ,- 39 years in th e set -- vice—he had been twice wOu.njed overboa r d andnded, and h e h a d received no - pens en. He had saved a man from drowning by so osqing. H e was suf fering from ill health at the time, aiAd this produced such an effect upon him than he was r7irced to reti re from active service. At that time he received no re muneration from the Government; and he would ask the House was it right or just that such ama I should be to treated. Ile would next draw the a t tention of the House to the case of Masters of the :Navy. These officers, who were in general promoted from the class of acting Masters, had five shillings a -day I, half-pay. If they were ordered to . go to sea, the;v I had to fit themselves out for the service at an ex- , pense nearer 2001. than 1501., and what could the House think they had in addition to their half-pay to meet this ? Why sd. per day, He would ask if this was not a disgrace to the country. He knew the value of these 111:1-the duties they had to perform were of the . most important description. It Irad been supposed that in consequence of this these officers ondeavoured to avoid going into active service, but if they refused when called upon• by the Admiralty they were scratched off the list. This was a sad alternative, and he did ts list the House would enable the Admiralty to bestow .something on this deserving class 'of officers. This class of officers served for a long time as acting Masa`ers, and they were apt to remain in that situation the r their merit entitled them topromotion,hecausetheyfeareel to be employed. Ha was obliged to state these facts, bee Muse he knew that several Hon. Gentlemen were sin acquainted with them, notwithstanding he bad stated them before. He now came to the class of Surgeons and Assistant Surgeons, and he wished them to be compared with the Surgeons and Assis tant Surgeons of the Army, because although he knew the army was very ill treated, yet it was not quite so ill treated as the Navy. The Assistant- Surgeons in the army were entitled to snore half-pay than the Assistant-Surgeons in the Navy. The Surgeon in the army was entitled to retirement after 25 years' service, but. the Surgeon in the Navy must serve 29 years and eleven months. If any Hon. Gentleman would examine the lists of promotions since 1815, he would find that more than 100 medical officers of the army had since that period been promoted to the higher rank, giving an increase of half-pay, whilst only one naval Sur geon had been so promoted. All the time of the Assistant - Surgeons in the Army was taken into account in the calculations for pensions, while the Assistant-Surgeons in the Navy were entitled to reckon three years only. When it had been proposed to im pose 'some additional duty on certain officers of the Army, the Right Hon. Gentleman said it would net be, fair to impose this duty, without at the same time adding to their pay. When the Asylum was united to Greenwich Hospital, the medical care of upwards of 1,000 children devolved upon the officers of that Hos pital, and they received no increase of pay whatever. He would now call the attention of the House to . another class of officers—the Pursers, who were singu larly ill-treated. In former times the Pursers, who were appointed to large ships, made, it seems, a great deal of money. They settled amongst themselves that those who were employed should give a portion of their earn ings to their poorer brethren. A proposition was made to the Admiralty on this subject, and their allowances were reduced from ten to eight per cent., on condition that an addition should be made to the half-pay of their poorer brethren. Three or four years ago 7,0001. had been voted for this object. but he contended that by this time the Government had made more money by this arrangement than they I had expended by the granting of this additional Is. per day, and he knew not why this was not divided amongst them. He hoped that some information would be given on this subject when they came to discuss the Esti mates, because the money was really taken out of the pay of the Pursers, to be devoted to the assistance of their poorer brethren. If any doubt existed on that subject, he would refer to these words of the order, which stated that an account thereof should be kept by the Comptroller of the Navy, which sums shall be: hereafter applied in raising the half-p a y i of the Pursers of his Majesty's Navy.—(Hear, h ear ...) He was sure the object of the House was to do justice to the Navy, and he hoped that the case of these men would not be overlooked. Thera was another class of persons, who were generally Secretaries toAdmirals; and these_men who held that important confidential situation were treated in a most extraordinary way. It was stated that they were non-combatants, although his own Secretary was seriously wounded in action, and the House was aware that Lord Nelson's Secretary had , been killed ureter similar circumstances. It happened that Sir Thomas Usher was called upon to engage a very superior flotilla in the Gut. of Gibraltar, to save his convoy. That Gallant Officer did not con sider the inferiority of his force, he looked to nothing but the safety of his convo y. I n consequence o f that inferiority he ordered that every man in each ship ex cept the surgeon should go to the guns. Amon," theca was of course the Purser, who received several severe wounds and lost an eye. He got empl o y ment as a sort of compensation, but in consequence of the loss of his eye, it happened that he was run over by a carri age w hi c h di :: abled him from employment, and obliged him to relin quish his situation. Ho (Sir E. Codrington) knew th at that rein was at the present moment in absolute distreas, and literally starving ; and he asked the House if it was fitting that such a man should be thrown upon the world without any pension, after having been disabled in the service of his country ? His object was to extentr the power of the Commission, so that cases like the 1 : present might be investigated by them for the good of the service. The Honourable and Gallant Officer then referred to the pensions of midshipmen, and com plained that the system adopted was one of crying in justice, which the House and the country would readily afford any Board of Admiralty the means of redressing. Why should the Navy be called upon to perform ardu ous duties, and to have their services puffed off for gal lantry and good conduct, if they were to be dismissed without any reward in their old age ? He denied that such • were the intentions of the country. It was on these grounds that he called the attention of the House to the subject. It. was the duty of the superior officers in the service to come forward and s state the obstacles thrown in their way. He certainly should persevere, te h a n ri d riees n s o ti t l l uo i nothing should t sh t o tho u e l d btei d o e u t as e e r p theah a m ma f ob r u o s n i o n t t r o ed w it hic to i duty. that He lute necessity of sending shins to sea in a t Y st h uo e t e o ereiss d sk o . duties c tlettlly. Ii condition eiee n ki : d t%,siuv i ts o ,ponh, e n seti riles tedeeh t vso o ei ssedmaeweruntsinitetlli themselves, withesd urgeduobattt luy h i ts e t otao m thifitfocoarettpuye n nesr‘ o ‘hsr,i t atii. oapinncrn o sdomhy n ts only s o r toh i . s ue k lyd u b nnyces s . the e success.—(Hear,) a r . 1 1 were e re a l'l called, rtu without endangering the loss of life—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear, hear")--for it was clear if they sent ships half manned, they would only be half able to do their duties, therefore ships of inferior quality ought to be put in such a position as would prevent any improper hazard of life. Before the battle of Navarino, he wrote to the Lord High Admiral, showing him that the number of men on au , average was nine and a half to a 32-pounder, when he ought to have had thirteen. Had the battle taken place at sea, where he would have had to manage the sails, must he have been exposed to utter destruction ? If he were to choose, he would rather have five ships in the condition in which he wished to see them officered as they ought to be to meet 10, than Bof an inferior description half -manned. He would appeal to the officers of the army, who well knew by minute combinations of force they could make a simul taneous attack effectually. So it was with the Navy. If they could get ships well together, which they could not if they were half manned, they would d o the dut y to vi, h ich they were called with half the i n j ur y and twice .th e cele rity. It was on that ground t hat he urged, shouldand take the liberty of offering, this resolution to the House, '° That , with due consideration to the exigencies of the of State, it is important to the in terest and honour the country that all her Majesty's ships in commission have such a complement of men as will ren H d e er w t oul m d now cient in any emerrency." — ( Hear, hear.) refer to a pamphlet which had bFen put f forwar dorward by a Gallant Officer. Who provoked him to put it Why, the Under Secretor y to the Admiralty, and he could not help notici n g some ex p ressions used by Ow latter gentleman, that the observations of the Gallant O ffi cer di sg raceful, impertinent , frivolou s, mischievous, sze. It er w e 'as also said that his bit of buntinewould never fly at the head of her Majesty's ships.—( Hear, hear.) Was he to have this influence at the Admiralty ?—( Hear, hear.) He also said—let no such man be trusted. He (Sir E. C.) would apply that observation to him, and say that he ought r not to be trusted. The Under Secretary near him had alluded to Captain Craufurd by name. He was a man for whom he ( Sir Edward Codrington) had a great regard, whom he had made a Lieutenant, which he would not have done had he had not been entitled to it-- He talked of the Russian fleet being pasteboard ships, but he (Sir E. C.) could tell the House that they were rather sturdy. Why was this man allowed to write as he h a d done, when Captain Berkeley was dismissed for having stated his opinions ? A civilian was always treated ten times better than an officer. It might b e that he was treated bet ter because be had 1,3001. a year, hile this young man only had MO/. That might g i ve him his presumption, but it did not give him any sup e .. ri : rr es d hear.) Two years before Captain C rats_ , book was the Emperor of Russia had sh own f h oi ( tsY--- Sir E. C.) his fleet ; and he mentioned,it to the House, but his statements had been looked upon as nothin g Captain Craufu rd ou g ht to have been treated in a very different way than he had been by this jack in • office. - same individual bad attempted to write the Life of Lord Howe, and he ( Sir E. Codrington) had read that book with disgust. Lord Howe was one of the greatest Ad. mirals England ever had, and had performed more service than any other person in the same number of years, and 1 , that lie should have had such a biographer was really rather /