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libttion SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. TA TTERSALL'S.-THIS EVENING. QUARTER TO SIX O'CLOCK. 000DWOOD STAKES. 4 to 1 agst Franchise 7 to 1 agat Croton Oil 9 to 1 agst )Era 9 to 1 agat Best-of-Three 12 to 1 agst Parthian 12 to 1 apt Canton 13 to 1 agat The Pride of Kildare 16 to 1 agst Elegance filly 17 to 1 agat Lucy Banks GOODWOOD Cur. 6 to 5 agst Alice Hawthorn 6 to 1 agst Prizefighter s'r. LEG It 4 to 1 agst Ithuriel 4 to 1 agst The Cure SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS. FROM THE EVENING PAPERS OF THIS DAY. STANDARD.—Mr. Fitzroy Kelly last night, in con sideration of the advanced period of the session, with drew his Bill for providing an appeal in criminal cases. Sir James Graham, un the part of . the Government, gave a pledge that the subject shall be seriously considered during the re cess. We are willing to believe that by the arrangement thus come to, the valuable reform contemplated by Mr. Kelly is not likely to suffer, in fact, any delay ; if pressed forward a month ago, the Bill would have raised an opposition, sure to render impos sible its passing this session ; whereas, introduced as it may be after mature consideration by the Government, it is almost certain to succeed upon an early introduction next year. We have observed, and if our readers take the trouble to look back to the progress of legislation during the last few years, they will find that mea sures, postponed under circumstances similar to that in which Mr. Kelly has postponed his Bill, pretty generally arrive at harbour more easily, and in effect more promptly than others. The writer of an ungra cious, if not ill-natured notice of Lord Ashley's motion in this morning's Times, would have done bett?r had he taken into account this important truth. The writer in question complains that Lord Ashley delayed his proposition to the close of the session. It was not from want of zeal or foresight, all the public will easily believe, but, as we are convinced, in the exercise of a sound discretion, and with a view to ensure its success at the earliest period possi ble. Besides that such a proposition could not be pro perly canvassed until after the paasing of the New Poor-law Amendment Bill, still in progress, what reason is there to suppose that the Queen's Mi nisters would or (indeed amid the countless occu pations of the session) could give it, the attention which the importance of the subject merits? Or was it to be supposed that Ministers could adopt the measure unexamined? By proposing his measure in that mag nificent and affecting speech in which he did propose it, Lord Ashley has secured to the subject of it the at teution of the country and of the Government for the ensuing half year, and ensured the pass- ing of a remedial law. But the writer in the Times says that Lord Ashley is not a states man, aliening in proof that the Noble Lord will mount no hobby7but his own (that is, he will not get behind the Times upon its hobby), and that he will not press even his own hobby to a gallop. In our opinion the very best roofs of the statesmanlike qualifications of the N o ble ember for Dorsetshire can hardly be more clearly seen than in this very complaint of the Times. By concentrating his energies upon one object at a time, hti Lordship always secures the moral victory, sometimes the practical victory too, as in the cases of the Mines and Collieries Bill, and as in the case of the Factory Bill, upon which he had the practical victory, though he was deprived of it by a coup d'etut—perhaps a necessary coup d'etat—but one which certainly acknowledged defeat ; while by early provision and patient waiting he obtains results waich he could not otherwise obtain. The best general is he who organises and secures his victories before he opens the campaign ; and surely he is not the worst statesman who long beforehand organises and secures his vic tories, as Lord Ashley has uniformly done. Doubt less Lord Ashley might have evaded the sneers of the Times, had he postponed his motion un til next February, and then introduced it with an almost certainty of being defeated, after having contributed his share to the waste of the session. This, however, does not suit Lord Ashley's notions of statesmanship ; he wants his Bill to be carried, and carried with as little waste of the public time as possible, and therefore he introduces it for consider ation, though at the risk of the disapprobation of a journal which has, indeed, not been much in the habit of encouraging his Lordship's exertions for the good of our f e ll ow - su bj ec t s . Lord Ashley will, however, in the end beat the Times and his other opponents and detractors. There gains ground rapidly in the country an opinion that the Noble Lord has struck out the true road of statesman ship, and though his Lordship may not have, and we suspect he would disdain to have, a party—a deficiency with which the Times reproaches him ; he has the people of all parties. GLOBE.—It will be seen by reference to our Parlia mentary report, that Mr. Kelly's Bill for providing a Court of Appeal in Criminal Cases, was last evening postponed to next session. The Hon. and Learned Gen tleman who introduced the measure was driven, with manifest reluctance, to consent to the postponement, in consequence of the threat:with which Sir James Graham concluded his request, that if the Bill were pressed, he (and of course those nho perform his bidding) would Vote against it. We regret the fate of this very use ful measure. It was received on its introduction, with cordial approval both by the House of Commons and the public ; for it seemed calculated to supply an acknowledged deficiency in the criminal code of this country, which does not exist in the criminal juris prudence of any other civilised nation ; the necessity for supplyin g which, in some such way as that pro vided by Mr. Kelly's Bill, had become increasingly evident, to obviate inconvenience to the Judges, and to prevent injustice in the administration of the law. To provide an appeal in civil cases, from the decisions of Judges and the verdicts of the juries, to the united wisdom of the Judges sitting in bunco, who revise the law of the Judge and the evidence in the cause, and who may reverse the judgment of the Court below, and to refuse such an appeal where liberty and life are at stake, is really so monstrous an inconsistency as may well excite astonishment that it has been so long suffered to exist. The Hon. and Learned Member for Cambridge, in the speech with which he introduced his Bill, adduced several instances in which, there was every reason to fear innocent persons had been executed for alleged offences of which they had been convicted, but whose non participation iu the commission of those offences was subsequently shown ; and whose lives, had their cakes been revised by a competent tribunal, would have been saved. Other instances—equally con firmatory of the necessity for establishing a court of appeal in criminal cases, were also adduced ; some of them having occurred within the profes• sional experience of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, and others with which he had been furnished from the testimony of credible witnesses who were acquainted with the facts—in which circumstances were brought to light, at the eleventh hour, that showed the innocence of parties convicted upon mistaken or perjured testimony, persons who were waiting, in all the agony of antici pated death by the executioner, the doom to which they had been consigned, and who were only pre served from execution by the most strenuous exertions. The memories, if not the actual per sonal knowledge, of most persons who have watched the administration of justice with attention, and have examined the grounds on which the conviction of persons for grave offences have rested, will supply many instances in which doubts have arisen as to the correctness of ver dicts, in which the revision of the cases, by a tribunal constituted for the purpose, empowered to investigate any additional facts which had been elicited, would have I tended to satisfy the public anxiety as to the justice of the sentence. On the other hand, it may be reasonably assumed that the result of such a revision in some cases would be, that the convicted party would have escaped the infliction of the sentence which followed conviction or corrupt evidence. It is no satisfactory answer to the well-established facts and arguments in fa vour of providing such a tribunal, to say, that the cases of persons whose convictions are not manifestly justified by the evidence, undergo a care ful and anx i ous rev i sion at the Home-office before the sentence of the Court is executed. The public have an equal right to know the grounds on which a sen tence is reversal, as they have to be present at the trial of the individual. It is quite as possible for a Home Secretary, ar those to whom he entrusts the duty of revising such cases, to be actuated by improper mo tives, or to be imposed upon by specious evidence, as for the Court and Jury, which were conducted to an erroneous conclusion, to have been mistaken or imposed upon on the trial. Th e English people have ani i n a - 1 in veterate and well-fo un d e d objection to sec with respect to the res in jutrced matters. Publicity—b o th w ings and their results—i s , i n t h e i r view, essential to impartial administration of the laws ; and they are not disposed to waive that objection, even though the duty of revising the cases of convicted p art i es devolve on a Graham. Sir James Graham is not satisfied with " the principle" of Mr. Kelly's Bill. Th e " pr i nciple of the Bill is,' we admit, " everything." B u t that principle is • extremely simple. It possesses a lucidity so perfect, that, like the great luminary of heaven, it is seen by its own light, and itself to the understanding and the heart of every man to whom it is propounded. That principle is, that patient, searching investigation should precede punishment. To hang first, and inquire afterwards, is reversing the order of justice. In order to pre vent the perpetration of judicial—the worst of all -murders, and to preserve the innocent people from being subjected to ignominious punishments, in volving irremediable ruin, inflicted in the name of law, an appeal should lie from the Court which has pronounced a doubtful judgment, to a tribunal which may reverse the decision, and avert the injustice, of an • unjust conviction. To this " principle" Sir James' Gra ham objects. We hope reflection will remove the Right • Hon. Baronet's doubts. At all events, we hope that Mr. Kelly will persevere with his Bill ; and, by renew irEWßiliekt Wain the next Parliamentary year, prevent its l', -- ;65 , ---t'em.rtki•iii:l;verboard among the " postponed" mea r do-little session. • - • •-•- am is expected to arrive in the north If t Cgttlakpf a few- days, the requisite arrangements ;...,,Aukingf . bAnk de for his Lordship's reception at Brougham :Mtn; '6o;tlth considerable additions and alterations have ade in the building and decorative depart ...- ipj t 3 IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. POOR-LAWS. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) Mr. HAWES regretted that the Hon. Member for Birmingham had fallen into the old exaggerations in reference to the administration of the poor-law. It had been said that the old law had been greatly mitigated, but he thought that the real mitigation which they were to expect from it would arise from the temper and spirit in which the law would be carried out. In the speech of the Hon. Member who had just spoken there was a singular abstinence from reference to facts. The Poor law Commissioners in 1839, in addressing the Govern- ment, had interpreted the law just in the same way as the Right Hon. Gentleman the Home Secretary had in terpreted it in the observations which he had recently made to the House. If the workhouse were dreaded by the poor, it was the fault of the guardians, and not of the law. It was made so by interpretation and ex aggeration, and not by the administrators of the law. In Scotland the relief of the poor cost as much as eight shillings a head for the whole population. The law had been called arbitrary and unconstitutional; but he could not conceive how that could be the case when the powers of the Commissioners were all conferred by Parliament. He hoped these discussions would have the effect of im pressing en boards of guardians the necessity of carrying out this law in the best possible manner. He did not concur in the opinion that any harshness had been mani fested by the Commissioners. Sir J. GRAHAM said, in the early stages of the law the Commissioners had delegated too often the power of writing to one who expressed his opinions in an abstract manner, and somewhat too harshly. Mr. S. WORTLEY said that, though he did not wish to see the Commission abolished at once, yet he could not help saying that a body appointed for limited pur poses was now too often regarded as a permanent insti tution of the country. Ire believed Parliament had never contemplated more than that they should be a means of carrying. the new system into effect. Mr. W. WILLIAMS invited Hon. Members to look at the wording of the local Acts, where there was no controlling power. There had never been any com plaints respecting the improper working of those Acts. Why, then, should they doubt that the Poor-law Amend ment Act might be carried out in a satisfactory manner without any Commissioners to superintend its working? What was the expense attendant upon this Commission? The Secretary of State for the Home Department and his two secretaries cost the country 26,000/. ; the Co lonial Secretary and his two under-secretaries cost it 24,000/ ; but the cost of this Commission amounted to more than both these sums, namely, 53,000/. Mr. Al ILNES asked those who had paid attention to the working of this Commission whether it had not striven rather to discourage than to promote the exercise of vo luntary charity ? (Hear, hear.) He believed the prin ciple of the poor-law would never be favourably received in this country, unless it were felt that it was but the minimum of what the state thought it right that the poor should obtain from their richer fellow-subjects. Captain PECH ELL said the continuance of the Commission was defended on the ground that they had other duties devolved on them besides the administra tion of the poor-law ; but, in his judgment, that defence was very unsatisfactory. Such additional duties formed no ground for continuing the Poor-law Commission. He was in favour of the abolition of the Board of Com missioners, because he thought the law could be more satisfactorily carried out without their interference. Mr. BORTHWICK said the praise bestowed by the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary of State on the Commission all seemed to rest on its having counteracted the principles which gave it birth. Mr. NEWI)EGATE said he should vote with the Hon. and Gallant Officer ; but, considering the period too short within which it was proposed to abolish the Commission, if the motion were carried, he should him self afterwards propose its elongation. Colonel SIBTHORI' said he bad every respect for the present Members of her Majesty's Government. They were the best administration which had ever existed since he had sat in that House. They were, no doubt, honour able men, and sensible men, they were sometimes much too sensible for himself.—(Hear, hear.) But he must oppose their measures when he disapproved of them, and he certainly felt it his duty to do so in the present instance. The House then divided, when there appeared-- For the clause Against it Majority . -73 Mr. VERNON SkITII proposed that the following clause, which was read a first and second time, and ' agreed to, be added to the Bill. To insert after clause 55, " And be it enacted, that if the board of guardian's of any parish or union make application to the said Commissioners, to direct the appointment of a paid collector of the poor-rates in such parish or union, or in any parish or parishes of such union, it shall be lawful for the said Commissioners, by order under their hands and seal, to direct the said board of guardians to appoint such a collector ; and the said Commissioners shall have the same powers with respect to such collectors as are given to them by the said first recited Act with respect to paid officers, or of any persons other than the board of guardians of such parish or union to appoint any such collector, and (ex cept when otherwise directed by the said Commis sioners) all appointments under such powers shall cease." The Earl of ARUNDEL moved the following clause:— " And be it enacted, that the Commissioners do and shall order boards of guardians to take measures for allowing all paupers, not being members of the Church of England, to attend their respective places of worship, when within reasonable distance, at all reasonable times." Sir J. GRAHAM felt that every facility ought to be given to Roman Catholics in workhouses to attend their respective places of worship, and he should be wil ling to attend to any representations which might be made upon the subject. Instructions had been given by the Poor•law Commissioners to secure the object soughtby the Noble Lord, and he hoped that under these cir cumstances the clause would not be pressed. Mr. ESCOTT hoped the Noble Lord would press the clause. Mr. DAItBY wished to see the principle which the Noble Lord advocated carried out to the full extent. Mr. P. HOWARD supported the clause. _ _ Mr. V. SMITH woad recommend his Noble Friend, after the assurance given by the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir J. Graham), not to press the clause to a division. . . The clause was then withdrawn. Mr. S. O'BRIEN then proposed the clause which he had postponed in the morning, namely, " Provided always, and be it further enacted, that whenever it shall appear to the board of any district school that the space within such school is more than sufficient for the accom modation of poor children within the district for which such school shall have been built, it shall and may be lawful for such board, subject to the approval of the Poor-law Commissioners to make order for the admis sion of so many other children residing in the said dis trict as shall seem expedient to such board ; and the weekly provision for the maintenance and educa tion of such children shall be fixed by the board at such rate as shall in their judgment be amply sufficient to cover every expense on account of such children." He did not think, if the Right Hon. Gentleman should con sent to the admission of this clause, that he could have cause to rerget it. Sir J. GRAHAM thought this was not a proper time to resume a discussion on the important question of the national education of the poor. He thought this sub ject had, during the discussions on this Bill in the present session, been fully and sufficiently argued, and yet at the end of a protracted discussion the Hon. Gentleman again opened this question. If the clause of the Hon. Member for Northamptonshire were agreed to, it would hold out expectations that education was to be provided for the poor children of the district beyond the limited number to be educated in the union work houses. It would also have the effect of destroying the means of education for the children of the industrious labourers, for their children would be withdrawn from the schools in which they now received education. He felt it to be his duty most firmly to oppose the clause. Mr. HAWES was surprised that the Right Hon. Gen tleman so decidedly opposed the clause now, the prin ciple of which he countenanced on a former occasion. He did not oppose the clause on the ground of expense. The Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government had entertained views similar to those which were em bodied in the clause of the Honourable Member for Northampton. Sir R. PEEL said he intended to support the views of his Right Hon. Friend. He confessed he was strongly impressed originally in favour of the clause. It ap peared to him that it would be an advantage to give an opportunity to the parents of poor children to afford them the benefits of education when they could not otherwise receive it. He could not attach much weight to the objection of its being unfavourable to the Esta blished Church, for he thought it was beneficial, on the whole, to the Church, that the principles of religion should be inculcated into the children. On communication with others, however, he found that by giving the least facilities to education in district schools, they would be rather impeding the voluntary principle for the purposes of education—that they would be more likely to check individual efforts for education, than pro mote the sum total of it. He'was therefore unwilling to act on his own impressions and the views he expressed in 1841. Mr. VERNON SMITH said that he did not think the Right Hon. Gentleman could be charged with in consistency if he found reason to alter his opinion, but the Right Hon. Gentleman had not attempted to argue the question. He merely said that the Bishop of London and others had induced him not to put the views he for merly entertained into practice. He thought the House would do better to rely on the arguments which the Right Hon. Gentleman used in 1841, than on the reasons which he had given for not carrying those views into effect. Mr. CHILDERS and Mr. M. MILNES supported the clause. Mr. T. EGERTON opposed the proposition for im posing a tax for the education of children other than paupers. Mr. DARBY also opposed the clause as impracticable. Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN replied, and after stating, that though unsuccessful, he could not regret the turn the discussion had taken, withdrew the clause. Sir J. GRAHAM in moving the introduction of two clauses, one to enable guardia ns to enter schools an d asylums as visitors, and to record their opinion of what they saw, and the other to remove technical difficulties, said that it might be convenient if he sh ou ld state to t h e House the course he intended to pursue. After the two clauses he had now proposed were agreed to, he should propose that the further consideration of the report should be postponed to a future hour of the day, and that as soon as they had gone through Committee on the Controverted Elections Bill, then he should propose that the first business be to pro ceed with the further consideration of the Poor-law Bill. The clauses were then agreed to. On the motion of Mr. ELPHINSTONE Archbutt's Divorce Bill was read a third time and passed. Sir J. R. REID presented a petition from Trelawney, Jamaica, against any reduction in the differential duties on foreign sugar. Lord SANDON presented a petition from Liverpool in favour of the County Courts Bill. NOTICES Olf MOTION. Captain BERNAL gave notice that on Tuesday next he should move for copies of all letters or instructions written to Lord Heyteshury relative to the disposal of Church patronage in Ireland. GAME-LAWS. Mr. BRIGHT gave notice, that early in the next session of Parliament he would move for a Committee to inquire into the effect of the game-laws, and the amount of agricultural produce that was consumed in this country by game ; and also to inquire into the effect of the game-laws on the moral condition of the agricul tural labouring population. Captain PECHELL moved for a return of all union workhouses under the Poor-law Amendment Act in which mills or machinery for grinding or crushing bones have been erected or placed, with the date of such erec tion or placing, and the names of the chairman and vice chairman of the board of guardians of every such union at the period. Also, the cost of the said bones, includ ing all expenses of carriage, and other incidental ex penses, and the amount which the same have pro duced in their manufactured state, and whether the same have been sold by tender, or at a fixed price, or otherwise.—Ordered. THE SUN, LONDON, TIIIIRSDAY EVENING, JULY Q 5, 1844. JAVA. In answer to a question from Mr. LABOUCHERE, Mr. GLADSTONE said, persons resident in Java, not bearing the name or title of Consul, nor having any official character as between the British and the Dutch Government, had been authorised by her Ma jesty's Government to perform the duty of certifying Java-grown sugar. The three gentlemen appointed for the three ports were Messrs. Bonhill, 11.14 Neil, and Frazer. There would be no difficulty in the parties who had received orders for shipments in discovering those gentlemen. Mr. LABOUCHERE inquired if those gentlemen were merchants at those ports? Mr. GLADSTONE said no duties of a consular cha racter attached to the office. With regard to the ques tion whether they were merchants or not, it was impos sible for him to answer it. The impression on his mind was, that Mr. Fraser was not in business, though he had been, and that the other two gentlemen were. CONTROVERTED ELECTIONS. The House then went into Committee on the Contro. verted Elections Bill, Mr. GREENE in the Chair. Clauses from 1 to 16 were agreed to without discussion Clauses up to 46 were agreed to without discussion. On clause 46 being proposed. Mr. COLLETT (Athlone) said that the present ap peared to him to be the most suitable time for proposinr , the clause of which he had given notice :—" That the seat of no Member who has once appeared before and been tried by any Election Committee on a bona fide pe tition against his return, shall be affected by any subse quent petition against the same seat for the same election." Though this clause might seem to have a personal refer ence to himself, he proposed it for a general purpose. He did not know why he should be subjected to a second pe tition, and he should like to hear from the Solicitor-Ge neral or from the Noble Lord the Chairman of Election Petitions, ander what clause of the Act of Parliament a second petition was presented against his return. After some short discussion the clause was withdrawn. (LEFT SITTING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Their Lordships met at Five o'Clock. OPENING OF LETTERS. The Earl of RADNOR gave notice that he would, to morrow, put a question to the Noble Lord opposite, the President of the Council, on the subject of the Post office inquiry (opening of letters). The Marquis of NORMANBY presented a petition from Paisley, complaining of the gas works as a nuisance. COUNTY CORONERS BILL. The NOBLE MARQUIS also presented a petition from the Coroner of Devon, in favour of that clause in the County Coroners Bill which gave an increased allowance for travelling expenses. The Marquis of SALISBURY said that the clause had been struck out, and the Bill had been read a third time and passed. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY said, that the Bill had been read a third time, but he (as Chairman of the House at the time) had not put the question that the " Bill do pass." The Marquis of NORMANBY said, that he would now move that the clause be restored. He was by no means of the same opinion as the Noble Duke (the Duke of Richmond), who moved the omission of the clause, that railroads rendered the travelling of coroners cheaper. Lord REDESDALE opposed the re-insertion of the clause. It was quite evident that the office was one of honour and emolument quite sufficient without any addi tional profits being conferred on it, for whenever there was a vacancy the competition was very earnest and ex pensive ; and there was, therefore, no reason for putting an increased tax upon the country. The Marquis of NORMANBY said he would divide the House. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided. The numbers were— For the re-insertion of the clause 6 Against it 25 Majority for the Bill The Bill was then passed. NEGRO PETITION—SUGAR DUTIES. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from a body of his fellow-subjects, who, although lately admitted to the rights of men, had not before this ventured to ap proach the Legislature as petitioners. The petition was from the negro merchants, planters, and labourers of Trelawney, in Jamaica, against the reduction of the duties on foreign sugar, on the ground that such reduction would encourage slave-holding States at the expense of the. British colonies, which would be exposed to a ruinous competition. UNLAWFUL OATHS (IRELAND) BILL. A NOBLE MARQUIS hoped that the third reading of the Unlawful Oaths Bill would be postponed till Monday, in order that the House might be in possession of the determination of the Government with respect to the persons who had lately been tried in Ireland for con spiring to accuse others of administering unlawful oaths. SUDBURY DISFRANCHISEMENT. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from the Mayor and Corporation of Sudbury, praying to be allowed the expenses incurred by them in opposing the Bill for the disfranchisement of their borough. As the House had no funds out of which the expenses could be paid, he hoped the Noble Lord opposite (the Marquis of Salis bury), who had encouraged the petitioners, and whose charity was well known, would pay the expenses. The Marquis of SALISBURY—Out of what funds ? Lord BROUGHAM—Out of your own pocket.— (Great laughter.) The petition was ultimately withdrawn. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Lord REDESDALE moved, according to notice, that the standing order, which requires the attendance of five Peers on Committees on private Bills, should be suspended, that they might constitute a Com mittee for the remainder of the session. He made this motion in consequence of the departure of so many Peers from Parliament, that it was difficult to a get a full attend ance at all the Commitees, before whom there was a great arrear of business. Lord WICKLOW did not approve of the motion. It was the duty of the Peers to attend to the Commit tees, and they ought to be compelled to do so.—(Hear.) Lord BROUGHAM said that a great cause of the the arrear was the want of accommodation for the Committees. Much more regard was had for the glory of the architect than for the convenience of the House. —(Hear, hear.) But he hoped that, if the accommoda was not sufficient next year, their Lordships would dim that glory a little. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said, that every architect in the country admitted that their Lordships could have been provided with a suitable House, and adequate accommodations within the seven years that had already passed. He hoped their Lord ships would insist upon the works being proceeded with in a more expeditious manner, and that they would compel the architect to have proper apartments ready by the next session. Earl FORTESCUE hoped that it would not be ne cessary to act upon the resolution, which, however, he would not oppose. The Duke of WELLINGTON said that hitherto the attendance of Peers had been as full as could be ex pected, but the object of the motion was to provide against the possibility of a deficient attendance at the close of the session, when so many Peers would be leav ing town. After a few words from Lord COLBOItNE, Lord REDESDALE withdrew his motion, and gave notice, that, if necessary, he would renew it on Monday. ACTIONS FOR GAMING SUSPENSION BILL. The Marquis of NORMANBY, alosence of the Duke of Richmond, moved the third reading of the Ac tions for Gaming at Horse Races Bill. The Earl of RADNOR opposed the motion. He contended that the defendants in these actions had no claim for the protection or the interference of the Par• liament. When they incurred these penalties, they knew they were acting unlawfully.—(Hear.) That was proved by the evidence of Mr. Tat tersall and other witnesses. Some parts of the evidence were exceedingly painful. One gentleman, a fellow of one of the universities, stated that he had been " victimised" by two of his friends—gentlemen—(A laugh)—and fellows of the same university.—(A laugh.) The LORD CHANCELLOR—Cambridge ? Give us the right name.—(A laugh.) The Earl of RADNOR said this was a Bill to prevent a man from obtaining a pecuniary advantage, which the law, as it stood, gave him and encouraged him to seek. There was no doubt that the act which the actions were directed against, was illegal, and the evidence before the Committee showed that it had been ruinous to many, very many. The only means which the law provided for checking so great an evil was by these qui tam actions. In passingthis Bill the House would do a great injustice. The Earl of STRADBROKE and Lord FOLEY supported the Bill. After a few words from the Marquis of NORMANBY, in reply, the Bill was read a third time and passed. SLAVE TRADE. The Earl of ABERDEEN, pursuant to notice, laid on the table the latest instructions given to the naval officers engaged in the suppression of the slave trade. (LEFT SPLICING.) Sir Robert Peel returned to town at eleven o'clock this morning, from a visit to her Majesty at Windsor Cabtle. DISTRIBUTION OF PRIZES AT THE GOVERNMENT SCHOOL OF DESIGN. Yesterday, the annual distribution of prizes to the pupils of this valuable Institution took place in the great room of the establishment at Somerset-house. The hour fixed for the business of the day was four o'clock, and by that time the great room was filled almost to suffocation by the pupils, and a large assemblage of Members of Parliament, artists, and other distinguished personages, amongst whom were several ladies. The walls of the room were covered with paintings in fresco, drawings, models, and other works of art, the pro ductions of the students, most of which possessed a very high degree of merit. Amongst the visitors present we observed the Earl of Westmoreland, Lord Dalhousie, Lord Colborne, the Right Hon. W. E. Gladstone, M.P., President of the Board of Trade ; Mr. Wodehouse, M.P., B. Hawes, Esq., M.P., T. Wyse, Esq., M.P., H. G. Knight, Esq., M.P., R.M. Milnes, Esq., M.P., Sir R. Westmacott, R.A., C. S. Cockerel!, Esq., R.A., W. Dyce, Esq., W. Etty, Esq., R.A., J. R. Gar diner, Esq., J..F. Gibson, Esq., W. It. Hamilton, Esq., J. G. S. Lefevre, Esq., Apsley Pellatt, E sq ., A. Poynter, Esq., &c. Lord COLBORNE having briefly opened the proceedings of the day, called the Right Hon. W. E. Gladstone to the chair, for the purpose of distributing the prizes. Mr. GLADSTONE, before proceeding to distribute the prizes, made some very gratifying observations upon the progress which the school of design, manifested by the productions of the pupils, had made within the comparatively short period since its establishment, arid expatiated upon the important and usefnl results which must accrue from it to the exten sive manufactures of this country. A debt of gratitude was due to the Government under whose auspices this great ex periment of superinducing an excellence in the ornamental arts, upon the proud pre-eminence which this country already enjoyed in those more purely of industry and ingenuity; and, for himself and his colleagues, he was happy to be able to declare their warm and anxious interest in its success, and their determination to lend it every co-operation in their power.-(Cheers.) The Right Hon. Gentleman also passed a high compliment upon the exertion of the Council, and of Mr. C. H. Wilson, the director, to whose zeal, talent, and discretion so much of the success which had attended the ob jects of the institution was due. This compliment was re sponded to by loud cheers from the pupils, re-echoed by many of the general company. The distribution of prizes then took place ; the following is a list of them :- Arabesque in fresco, being an original design-Mr. Silas Rice. 5/. ss. Arabesque in fresco secco-Mr. George Stewart. 5/. ss. Arabesque in oil-Mr. Adam E. Vindon. 5/. ss. Arabesque in oil-Mr. F. R. Russell. 3/. 3/. Design for paper- hanging-Mr. Walker. 2/. 2s. Composition of ornamental from natural flowers-Mr. John Brown. 3/. 3s. Design for a glass chandelier-Mr. J. Stradwick. Si. ss. Designs for dinner service ; in porcelain, equal merit, two prizes-Mr. George Wallis. 51.55. Ditto-Mr. W. C. Wilde. 51. ss. Design for a sideboard-Mr. John Phillip. 21. 2s. Design for a carpet-Mr. J. R. Harvey. 3/. 3s. Design for a silver candelabrum-Mr. John Strud wick. Si. ss. Design for silk hanging-Mr. John Brown. 3/.35. Coloured designs-Printed druggits-Mr. W. C. Wilde. 3/. 3s. Ditto-Printed druggits-Mr. J. R. Harvey. 3/. 3s. Best specimen of ornamental modelling-Mr. H. Arm stead. 3/. Class drawings, Ist prize-For an outline drawing-Mr. W. Scott. 1/. 10s. Ditto, 2d prize -Ditto-Mr. J. George. 1/. Ist prize, best shaded drawing from the flat-Mr. Joseph Phillips. 21. 2d Ditto, equal merit-Mr. J. Pringle. 1/. Ditto, ditto-Mr. Short. 1/. Ist Prize, shading in chalk from the round-Mr.W. Gleadall. 2/. 10s. 2d Ditto, ditto-Mr. L. C. Wyon. 21. Prizes for the best . grisaille drawing-lst, Mr. E. Arnold. 27. ; 2d, Mr. Lewis Walker. 11. 10s. Best coloured drawing in tempera from flowers-Mr. F. Smallfield. 2/. Best copy of arabesque in colours-Mr. Lainson. 2/. 10s. Ist Prize-Best chalk drawing of the human figure-Mr. F. R. Russell. 2/. 10s. 2d Ditto-Mr. George Stewart. 2/. JUNIOR CLASS. Ist Prize-Drawing of a Mask-Mr. A. G. Gandie. 1/. 10s. 2d Ditto-Mr. J. Browne. 1/. FEMALE SCHOOL. Best design pattern for lace-Miss Dixon. 31.35. Design of flowers from nature-Miss R. Dimsdale. 1/. Is. Best chalk drawing from the round-Miss Emma Angell. 21. 22. 2d best ditto--Miss E. Channon. 1/. Is. Best design ornament for engraving on wood-Miss Au gusta Colchester. 21. 2s. 2d prize -Miss Bragg. 11.15. For best drawing for lithograph-Miss Clark. 2/. 2s. 2d ditto-Miss Bridges. 1/. Is. IRELAND. REPEAL ASSOCIATION. DUBLIN, JULY 23.—Towards the close of the proceedings at the Conciliation-hall yesterday, Mr. DANIEL O'CONNELL, jun., said lie had to give his usual bulletin from the prison.—(Cheers.) The health and spirits of the prisoners are excellent, and in no way im paired by the imprisonment.—(Loud cheers.) He (Mr. Daniel O'Connell) said last week that on that day he would have an opportunity of letting them know the opinions of his father on things in general, and he made a memorandum, which he should read for them. His father felt great delight at the continued tranquillity of the country, and the few offences to be tried at the present assizes. There were scarcely any of recent date ; and never was such universal obedience to the law mown in Ireland. The perseverance in the repeal agitation is also delightful. The present is a contest between the prosecuting Ministry, headed by the Irish Attorney-General, and the repeal martyrs, made prominent in the great repeal cause for which they are suffering. The object of the prosecution was to stifle that cause, and put an end to the agitation, or at least to damp its ardour and diminish its strength.— (Hear.) The question is between the prosecutors and the Irish people—shall the prosecutors succeed ? That is the question. If there be the least relaxation in the peaceful agitation, that will be success to the prosecution ; if, on the other hand, there shall be no relaxation, no diminution of the repeal agitation, then the people will succeed.—(Hear, hear, and loud cheers.) But the people will be doubly suc cessful, if, as hitherto, the peaceful agitation augments. The English Ministry can never hold out - against a peaceable —a crimeless and persevering agitation. There never was a time when the Irish people had it so completely in their power to secure the legislative independence of their native land. The repeal of the union is certtaihant,cifowwde b d e es c ir a e ll i e t d , b a y m p o ea n c st e e a r bl m e e a e n t d_ determined perseverance. In perseveri ng f or the repeal of the union it is utterly eb unnecessary,jinecgtien,endit may yd be et desirable, to ea b b e a ld d pi e n ff eg e b. c li t e, Therepto a r hold isb ms i a ne n eo y t things, or district m eet i ngs of several parishes, or county meetings, to sympathise with the repeal martrys —to organise strictly and universally the repeal rent—to dis countenance every species of violence, and to prepare peti tions to be presented the next session of Parliament, praying a repeal of the union. It would also be useful, at such meet ings, to organise registry clubs for the registration of votes in the repeal interest in towns and counties. It it is most important to have every repeal voter duly registered, and at as little expense as possible.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") It may be remarked, that it does not seem advisable to hold any large meeting at Tara-hill—the Tara-hill meeting of last year stands so prominent in Irish history that it cannot pos sibly be imitated at present, and ought not to be lessened in its effect by any smaller meeting on the same locality. The people everywhere should be reminded of the crimes by which the union was achieved, and the evil consequences which followed. It is beyond controversy, and therefore universally admitted, that the union was achieved by the grossest fraud and profligate corruption—by the most atrocious intimida tion, and by the entire suspension of constitutional protection, and under the auspices of martial law. The evils of the union should be pointed out in detail to every Irish youth as he approaches to manhood. The fiscalrobbery—the restrict ing and perishing franchise—the limited corporate reform— the state of the magistracy, and the burden of a sinecure Church. Perseverance, then, should be called for to all Irish men. Peace and perseverance —peace is certain—perseve rance a first duty, and, therefore, not to be doubted. Peace and perseverance—and hurrah for the repeal.—(Cheers.) At the close of the proceedings the repeal rent for the week was announced to be 1,558/. LAW INTELLIGENCE. - IN RE ROBERT N ELBIES. COURT, July 24. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' The insolvent in this case, who a pp eare d t o b e an o ld man, applied on his p et i t i on to b e d i scharge d , to nd fil sickly which, e was compelled to apply to the Court as ak h ly ic h, a pauper, and succeeded in getting 5/. to defray the law expenses. Mr. WOODRUFFE opposed the insolvent on behalf of Mr. Meadows, on the ground of withholding certain ac count-books, and concealing property. He was examined at great length with respect to a freehold property which he had possessed at Barnet, and in right of which he voted at the last election for Middlesex. In his exami nation he admitted that at the time he voted the pro perty was out of his hand, another person holding it as collateral security. At that time he had no right to vote. Mr. Commissioner LAW said although there were some suspicious facts connected with the case, they were not sufficient to justify a remand. The insolvent was then discharged. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. (YESTERDAY.) CLERKENWELL. Two men, named Ray and Long, who have been re peatedly convicted at police courts, were brought up in custody of Inspector Barton, of the G division, charged with the following daring attempt at fraud: — The inspector said he was on duty in the station house at Bagnigge-wells on the previous night, when the prisoners boldly entered the charge-room, and, in a peremptory manner, claimed the interference of the police. They said they were recruits belonging to the 90th Regiment of Infantry, and had been billeted upon the Union Tavern, in Baker-street, but the landlord, Mr. Anders on , had refused to receive them. Thereupon they produced a billet. Witness inspected it, and found that it was indeed a genuine billet, which had been signed by Sergeant Scotehmer, of the G division of police, but, on closer examination, he discovered that the origi nal date of th e bill et, " 16th July, 1844," had been erased, and 23d July, 1844, substituted. Witness asked them from whom they received the billet, and they re plied from Sergeant Lambert, of the East India Com pany'sservice, uitha that and again peremptorily demanded that the police wo u ld en f orce t h e i r rec eption at the Union. nut knowingbillet, The inspecto r , h owever , d eterm i n ed upon furnishing he locked up " t h e recru i ts " w h o im mediately acknow ledged the f rau d. n Mr. COMM—What do you think their object was? East India t l a Company very different c oul d Inspector Barton—l have no doubt but their design was to rob the house, for they never asked for the money (25.), which the publican who refuses to lodge them is bound to give them. The landlord of the Union described the prisoners conduct'as most overbearing; he refused to lodge them unless at the instance of their corporal. Alfred Bennett, a staff sergeant, and a recruiting officer, living at 17, Duke-street, Westminster, deposed that the prisoners were not recruits, but were constantly lounging about those places where recruits were en listed, fastening themselves upon inexperienced young men, and plundering them whenever they had an oppor tunity. They were the most artful villains he had ever known. He could not tell how the billet got into their possession. Mr. CONDE inquired for the precept (a printed;doott , s ment issued from the Horse Guards, and authorising the billeting of a certain number of recruits), which was, after some hesitation, handed to the magistrate. James Stephens, a sergeant in the 90th regiment, like wise deposed that the prisoners had not been enlisted into that regiment, and to which the billet found on the prisoners belonged. Mr. COMBE—HOW did this billet get into the pri soners' possession ? Sergeant Stephens—l can't tell. Mr. COMM. (holding up the precept)—How many re cruits received billets on the 16th of July, for which the precept is dated ? Sergeant Bennett—Sixteen. Mr. COMBE—Why the precept states three-and-twenty . Sergeant Stephens—Well, so three-and-twenty might, if they liked, have got billets, but only sixteen were in attendance when the billets were distributed. Mr. COMBE-But it further appeared, by this docu ment, that a halfpenny each was allowed for each of the three-and-twenty to pay the publicans for stationery, &c. How many recruits received the halfpenny ? Ser geant Bennett—Sixteen. Mr. COMBE-But three-and-twenty have been received and taken out of the public purse. Sergeant Stephens—They would have received them if they had been all present. Mr. Co - min—lt is quite clear there is a system of public plunder going on, and you will, if you persevere in this attempt to deceive me, draw some very strong observa tions. The whole thing seems grossly irregular, and the more you say the worse you make it. The prisoners said they bought the billet for twopence, from a recruit. Mr. COMBE committed them to the sessions, again observing on the gross irregularity of the mode in which the billets were distributed. CLOSE OF THE SESSION.-It is expected that the re gular business of Parliament will have been disposed of by the end of the first week in August. The Parliament will not, however, be then prorogued ; but the session wilt be continued by adjournment to the 25th of August. The purpose of this arrangement is to afford time for re • ceiving the reports of the Judges, and making up the judgment of the House of Lords upon the writ of error brought by Mr. O'Connell and his fellow-prisoners.— Herald. LLOYD'S SHIPPING. MOVEMENTS OF THE FRENCH NAVY. Extract of a letter at Lloyd's from their agent at Gibraltar, dated July 14:— " The French Government steamer, Pluton, with his Royal Highness the Prince de Joinville, arrived at this port from Oran, on the night of the Bth inst.; steamed for Tangier the following morning, and returned to her anchorage the same evening. " The French line of battle ships (of the first class), Suffren, Jemmapes, and Triton, also the frigate Belle Poule, which were in Algesiras roadstead, have this day sailed to the westward, and said to be bound for Cadiz to await the issue of the negotiations now pending with the Emperor of Morocco." Extract from the Gibraltar Chronicle of July 12 : " A frigate signalised three leagues distant to the eastward this morning; did not show her colours until her Majesty's ship Warspite fired a gun and hoisted the demand as she passed Europe Point to the west, when she showed French colours. Her decks were crowded with people." - NOTICE TO MARINERS. TORRES STRAITS, BEACON ON RAINE ISLAND, NEW SOUTH WALES. "" Sir,—l am commandedbAy dm m3 i , r ia al o ty July rd , s ly 22, 4 184. s of the Admiralty to transmit to you herewith, for the information of the Committee for managing the affairs of Lloyd's, extracts of a letter from Captain F. B. Black wood, of her Majesty's ship Fly, dated Sydney, 18th of March last, respecting a beacon on Raine Island. "I am, Sir, your most obedient servant, " SIDNEY HERBERT. "To William Dobson, Esq., Secretary, Lloyd's." Extract of a letter from Captain F. P. Blackwood, of her Majesty's ship Fly, dated 18th March, 1844, at Sydney, and addressed to the Honourable S. Herbert:— " I have the honour of informing you of our sailing for Torres Straits, to continue our survey, and for the purpose of building a stone beacon on Raine Island. " I purpose erecting a circular stone tower, of fifty feet in height, twenty-five feet in diameter (base), six teen feet diameter (top), to be painted in black and white bands, each band to be one-third of the height of the building. " I believe that the beacon may be built in the course of the ensuing season, and when completed, and the track surveyed to Cape York (which I purpose also doing this season), I have no hesitation in saying, that Torres Straits may be as safely passed through, as anv other strait in the world, and the passage may be made in three days, taking the precaution of anchoring each night whilst inside the reefs." EAST INDIA SHIPPING. Arrivals—Marquis of Hastings, Biddle, from Bengal, off the Lizard, sailed March 6, Cape, May 18, St. He lena, June 4; Emily, Anderson, from Bengal, off Ply mouth, sailed March 2, Cape May 16, passed St. Helena June 1; Heart of Oak, M'Donald, from Mauritius, at Liverpool, sailed April 11, St. Helena, May 25; Hydera bad, Robertson, from Bombay, off Brighton, sailed April 2, St. Helena, June 8; Countess of Minto, M‘Millan, from Bengal, Off Salcombe, sailed Feb. 29, St. Helena May 21 ; Thomas Henry, Churchward, from Ceylon, off Plymouth, sailed Feb. 3, Cochin April 1, St. Helena June 5; Mayflower, Headley, from Van Diemen's Land, off Salcombe, sailed Hobart Town, March 10; Mary Mitcheson, M'Ewen, from Port Philip, off Falmouth, sailed March 1 ; Carib, Heaton, from B a t av i a , off Falmouth, saild April I, St. Helena, May 27 ; La Belle Alliance, Pryce, from Singapore, off Falmouth, sailed March 2, St. :Helena May 22 ; John Bartlett, from Bengal, off Falmouth, sailed Feb. 24, St. Helena, May 31 ; Catherine Jamieson, Hutchinson, from Bengal, off Falmouth, sailed Feb. 9, Cape, May 3, St. Helena, May 21 ; Orissa, Smith, from Singapore, at Liverpool, sailed March 13, St. Helena, May 27 ; John Moore, Withycombe, from Bombay, at Liverpool, sailed March 3, St. Helena, May 26 • Anne Mary, Faulkner, from Beng a l, a t Li verpoo l , sailed March 3, St. Helena, May 20 : Earl Grey, M'Wear, from Bengal, at Liverpool, sailed March 5, St. Helena, May 24 ' • Rookery, Bourne, f rom Chi na, o ff Falmouth, sailed Feb. 17, St. Helena, May 26 ; Conser vative, M'Lachlan, from Ichaboe, at Plymouth, sailed May 20, St. Helena, June 1; John Line, Edwards, from Bombay, off Plymouth, sailed March 24, St. Helena, June 8 ; Romeo, Pollock, from Bengal, off Plymouth, sailed March 21 ; True Briton, Consitt, from Bombay, off Bridport, sailed March 18, Cape, May 17 ; Emerald Isle, Curling, from China, off Dover, sailed March 7, St. Helena, May 27 ; Brenda, Has lep, from Mauritius, off Plymouth, sailed Bth April ; Andromeda, Sutton, from New South Wales off Falmouth, sailed from Sydney 15th March ; Mount stewart Elphinstone, Eagles, from Bengal, off Plymouth, sailed 2d March, St. Helena 28th May ; New Express, Hewett, from Ceylon, off Falmouth, sailed 24th March, Ascension Ist June. Arrivals in Table Bay, Cape of Good Hope—Enmore, Ellis, May 7, from London, and sailed 9th to Sydney ; Georgetown, Bell, from London, and sailed 9th to Syd ney ; Harmony, Douglas, Bth, from Pernambuco. Departures from Table Bay—Louisa, May 4, to Icha boe ; John Graham, to Mauritius ; Urania and Sylvia, to Ichaboe ; Armata, 7th, to Rotterdam ; Esperance, to Ichaboe. Arrival in Algoa Bay—H.M.S. Bittern, May 2, from Mozambique and Port Natal. Arrivals at St. Helena—Lowther, May 31, from Coast of Africa, and sld. June 3 to Havre ; Globe, June 6, from Bourbon, and sailed 7th to Marseilles ; Gurli, 7th, from Batavia to Stockholm ; Mandane, from Bombay; Wil liam Pitt, from Mauritius ; Flora, from Coast of Africa ; Cypress, from Calcutta ; Marius, Bth, from Bourbon ; Amy, from Coast of Africa ; Duchess of-Northumber land, from China, and sailed to London. Departures from St. Helena—Lady M'Naghten, May 29 to Rotterdam ; Broraleys, June 7 to London ; Se nator, to Cowes ; Eliza Scott, Bth, to Ascension. IMPEItIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 24. GAMING. Mr. BOUVERIE have notice that he would move that a message be sent to the House of Lords, to ask for the report of the Select Committee on Gaming. HORSE SLAUGHTERING BILL. On the order of the day for the House going into Com mittee on this Bill, Mr. T. DUNCOMBE objected to the Bill that it gave too much additional power to the police. Mr. COWPER defended the Bill, which was called for by the accounts made public last year of the cruelties practised in the knackers' yards. All that the Bill proposed to do was, to give justices in quarter sessions a power of cancelling licenses, where cruelty was carried on in knackers' yards. He believed that it was a common practice, where horses were stolen, and the party had information where they were, to break the horses' legs, in order that they might state that they came there in that condition. He proposed therefore to give the police the power of inspecting these yards. He hoped, therefore, that the Honourable Gen tleman would allow the Bill to pass through its present stage. Mr. B. ESCOTT disbelieved many of the statements that had been made to the Hon. Member, because he could not see why p eo pl e s h ou ld b e gu il ty o f the acts of cruelty that had been alluded to ; but supposing they were true under the present law parties could be punished. Ire hoped the Hon. Member would wait to see whether it was intended to go on with the Bill or not. Mr. MACKINNON thought the Hon. Member for Winchester was labouring under a mistake. The report of the Commissioners would not interfere with this Bill. His Honourable Friend the Member for Hertford was deserving of great credit, for the manner in which he had braved public ridicule in bring ing forward this Bill, which was supported by the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. Many of the Hon. Member for Finsbury's constituents belonged to that Society, and he would find it better to have their support than to curry favour with the keepers ofknackers' yards. If the Hon.Memberwas fond of sausages he might run the risk of having horse sausages. He could corroborate all that had been stated with regard to the cruelties practiced in knackers' yards. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that if the Hon. Member thought he was a better judge of the interests of his constituents than himself, he had better offer his services to them—(A laugh)---but as long as they did him the honour to entrust their interests in his hands, he must be permitted to judge for himself. It was ad mitted at last that this Bill was an emanation from the Society for the Suppression of Cruelty • to Ani mals, and on that ground he objected to it. —(Hear.) There were many of those societies in this town which employed themselves in meddling with everybody's business but their own—(Cheers and laughter)—and it would be better if they attended to then own business,—(A laugh.) The Bill contained several vexatious provisions, and the Hon. Gentleman who had, on the advice of his Right Hon, Friend kept postpon ing his motion on Prison Discipline until it was a perfect farce of him to ask for a Committee, could not do better than recommend his Hon. Friend to follow his ad vice, and postpone his Bill. Policemen were to I have power to enter yards, and to ascertain if horses and cattle had a sufficient quantity of nutritious food and water, and if they had not, they might order it for them, and charge the owner double. By the inter -1 pretation clause it appeared that cattle meant oxen, pigs, or goats. Fancy a policeman being empowered to ascertain if one's pigs or one's goats had a sufficient quantity of food. Mr. COWPER—The Bill does not apply to cattle in tended for human food. Mr. DUNCOMBE—Why, his Hon. Friend had talked of horse sausages, which he might get in Marylebone, but which were not made in Fins bury. This was a piece of pettifogging, vexatious legislation like the Lap Dog Committee, and he should move that the Chairman report progress, and ask leave to sit again when the Committee's reports should be presented. Mr. COWPER said that would be postponing the Bill altogether. His Hon. Friend had said that this Bill had emanated from the Society for the Protection of Animals. They had certainly discovered the ineffi ciency of the present law. lie did not think it looked well for his Hon. Friend to say that they had no busi ness to meddle with things which did not belong to them. Why his Hon. Friend was in the habit himself of med dling from morning till night with matters which did not concern him.—(Cheers and laughter.) This might be put on the ground of public principle in that House, and persons might subscribe to buy estates for his Hon. Friend, for meddling with matters which did not con cern him.—(Laughter.) But he thought that other per sons might be treated with the same indulgence as the Hon. Gentleman in that House. The interference of the Society, on the whole, was beneficial, and the ob ject of the present Bill was to mitigate the sum of mi sery. He.trusted his Hon. Friend would not divide. Mr. DUNCOMBE said he would move that the Chairman should leave the chair. Mr. COWPER doubted whether his Hon. Friend could make that motion. Mr. B. ESCOTT suggested that the Hon. Member should move to refer the matter to the Dog Committee. The Committee then divided, when there appeared— For the motion ll Against it Majority against the motion —93 On clause 2 being proposed, Mr. 'T. DUNCOMBE objected to the clause. At present the knackers had a perpetual license, liable to be withdrawn only in case of misconduct. It was now pro posed to make the license annual. He objected to this, as an interference with vested rights. Mr. COWPER said, by the 26th of George 111., provision was made for granting licenses ; but the Hon. Member could hardly speak of vested rights, since the license could not be retained if the law were violated. Mr. ESCOTT said it was a waste of time to discuss the Bill, when so many, and such important measures were on:the paper, and waiting for discussion. Mr. COWPER did not think it any waste of time to discuss the measure. The delay, if any, had been oc casioned by Hon. Gentlemen on the Ministerial side of the House. Mr. ESCOTT would resist this, and all such kind of attempts at legislation. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he saw no reason why a Member of Parliament should not oppose or support a a Bill if he thought proper. The Bill had been com pletely emasculated, and the projectors of it would not give a farthing for it as it now stood. It was a perfect waste of time to discuss such a measure, and more than a waste of time when the immense amount of important public business yet to be transacted was considered. The Poor-law Amendment Bill had been postponed from day to day, to give time for discussion on knackers' yard s.—(Laugh ter.) The clause, as amended, was then allowed to stand part of the Bill. Clause 3 was then agreed to. Several amendments upon clause 4 were agreed to. Upon the motion that the clause, as amended, do pass, Mr. ESCOTT again protested against the waste of time which this useless Bill occasioned. He also objected to the clause as unnecessarily severe. The clause was then agreed to. On clause 5 being proposed, Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he would be glad to know whether this clause had the sanction of the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary fur the Home Department ? The clause provided that an inspector might go into a knacker's yard, in order to see if the horses therein had sufficient nutritious food. Sir J. GRAHAM thought the clause ought to remain in the Bill. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE moved that the clause be omitted. Mr. E. DENISON supported the clause. Mr. CURTEIS thought the police ought to be em powered to shoot the horses, rather than to see that they had food. Mr. COWPER said he would not press the clause. The clause was then withdrawn. On clause 6 being proposed, Mr. T. DUNCOMBE objected to the power, being given - to the police to demand the inspection of the books of the owner of a licensed yard. After a short conversation, that part of the clause was omitted.—The clause was then agreed to. Clauses 7 and 8 were agreed to. On clause 9 being proposed, Mr. ESCOTT opposed the clause, as too stringent, which imposed a penalty of 101., one moiety of which was to go to the informer. The Hon. Member moved. as an amendment, that the moiety of the penalty should not go to the informer, but that the whole should go to the parish. The Committee divided, when there appeared— Ayes Noes Majority The clause 'was then agreed to with a few verbs, amendments. The other clauses were then agreed to as was also the preamble, and the report was ordered to be received on Friday next. APPEAL IN CRIMINAL CASES BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this Bill, Sir J. GRAHAM said they could not agree to the second reading of the Bill without affirming its princi ple, which the Government did not wish to bind them selves to do in the absence of the Attorney-General, and without further consideration. He was, however, pre pared, on the part of his colleagues and himself, to pledge them to the consideration of the measure in the next session. He trusted, therefore, the Hon. Member would postpone the second reading till another session. Mr. KELLY acceded to the suggestion of the Right Hon. Gentleman, and withdrew the Bill. He trusted, however, in the next session, that the Bill would be unanimously agreed to.—The Bill was then withdrawn. POOR-LAWS. On the question for the further consideration of the report on the Poor-law Amendment Bill being put, Colonel SIBTHORP deprecated the subject being , brought on at the present moment, as many Members had left the House, under the supposition th a t th e Bill of the Hon. Member for Cambridge would have occupied some considerable time. On the question being put, - Mr. P. BORTHWICK thanked the Right Hon. Secretary of State, for the ameliorations he had intro ' duced into the Bill. He hoped, in the same spirit in which he had received the amendments proposed by others, he would adopt the propositions he (Mr. Borth wick) was about to submit. Though they were four in number—they were nearly identical in principle. The two principal points were that no separation should take place between the husband and wife, and parent and children, when they were reduced to want, not by vice but misfortune. He condemned such separation as immoral and impolitic, and though many boards of guardians were kind and Christian in their actions and feelings, was it to be endured in a Christian country that they could only be humane by a breach of the law ?—(Cries of " Hear.") Such separation was a violation of the rights of the poor. He used the words advisedly, for he contended that the poor man had rights as well as the rich one.—(Hear, hear.) The great vice of the whole system of the poor-laws was, that instead of affording casual relief to casual distress, it converted that charity into a curse, by its being changed into a continual and permanent cause of depression. He traced the ruinous and demoralising effect on the poor man of being compelled to enter the poor-house in which he was subjected to these inflictions, and stated that it was in a spirit of conciliation to the poor that he submittei his present propositions. He considered that the poor law, like every system of law applied to the body politic, ought to operate like medicine in the natural body. In the natural body medicine was no other than the intro ducing one disease less ephemeral and less dangerous than the one they were trying to get rid of, and the poor-law was no other in the body politic than trying to get rid of one evil by a smaller one. In a Christian country like this there ought to be no need of a poor law at all, and he believed if the Right Hon. Gentleman went on in the system upon which he had proceeded during the present session, by and bye not only would this poor-law disappear from the statute book, but that they would yet see a state of things in England under which there would be no need of a poor-law whatever. There must always be poor amongst them : that they had on the highest authority. But in a Christian coun try, the alms of God's people, collected at God's altar, ought to be enough for God's poor. With respect to the clauses which he should submit, he did not think the Right Hon. Gentleman could say the purpose of them was not a good one. If there was any difference between himself and the Right Hon. Gentleman, it was this, that he sought to obtain that end by the machinery of the Poor-law Commission, while he (Mr. Borthwick) sought it by a law placed on the statute book, in order to secure that to the poor man as a right, which the Right Hon. Gentleman himself would not refuse as a bounty. The object of the third clause was to provide that children should not be separated from their mothers where the children were under seven years of age, and that children u nder thirteen years of a ge should have free access to their mothers at all convenient times. He could assure the Right Hon. Gentleman that great prac tical evils had arisen under the present law. The other clause to which he' should refer was that of providing temporary relief to the able-bodied poor, under certain circumstances. This had been a subject of complaint ever since the law came into operation. The law prohi bited the board of guardians from giving out-door relief ; the consequence. was"that the able-bodied labourer was forced to go into the workhouse, and he was thereby rained for ever.—(Hear, hear.) He saw by the Times newspaper that a petition was agreed to at a meeting of the board of guardians of Ipswich, praying the House would give power to order out-door relief to the able bodied poor when lnbouring under temporary infirmity. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving the following clauses ; "And be it enacted, that when any two per s O4 being husband and wife, both of whom shall be aboce the age of sixty years, shall be received into any work; house, in pursuance of the provisions of the said recited Act, or of this Act, such two persons shall not be coins pelled to live separate and apart from each other in such workhouse ; and to this end suitable and decent accom modation shall be provided in every workhouse for each man and his wife so of the ages aforesaid, the said recited Act, or in the rules or regulations for the government of any workhouse, to the contrary n or withstanding. anything?! And be it enacted, that when any two persons, Wog husband and wife, both of Whom shall be under the Ag e of sixty years, and either of whom shall, from infirmitl, of mind or body, require the attendance or assistance a the other of them, then and in such case two such Per sons shall have and be entitled to the benefit or privi; lege of the provision hereinbefore contained, in regal to persons being husband and wife above the ag e s sixty years, anything in the said recited Act,sor rule or order to the contrary notwithstanding. i " And be it enacted, that if any poor and nduStrioe person shall, by temporary infirmity or insu&iency of employment, be unable to maintain himself or horself, or his or her family, then upon complaint thereof is; su ch person to any justice of the peace residing in or Pea t, the place of residence of such person, it shall be laws" for such justice to inquire into the truth of such infir mity or insufficiency of employment, and to certify th e same in writing under his hand to the guardians of t'i d union in which such yoor people shall so reside; O A upon receipt of such certificate, the said g uardians 0 3 °' immediately order sufficient r e lief f o r such poor person' and his or her family, out of such wo r kh o us e , during th e time of such temporary infirmity or insufficiency of eO; ployment, anything in the said recited Act, or all rw or regulation to the contrary notwithstanding. " And be it enacted, th a t w h en c hild ren , being un der seven years of age, shall be received into any vvorkholl in pursuance of the provisions of the said recited Act an of this Act, such children shall not be separated iron! their mothers being inmates of the same workhouse, and that to all ehildren, being under thirteen years. of lag!' free access shall be afforded for their mothers being 1° the same workhouse, at all convenient times." The first clause was brought up, and read a first One' On the motion that it be read a second time, Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that, unless he had been compelled by an o ver p ower i ng sense o f p u blic .duty t i resist the motion of the Hon. Gentleman, his natur a feelings would have p rom pt e d hi m t o support it. l b ,: Hon. Gentleman had not bro ug ht f orwar d a ny ne w ' argument in favour of his motion ; indeed, it was scarce l y possible for him to do so, the subject had been already so much discussed. The Hon. Gentleman said that b_ e , hoped the time was approaching when the poor - i n ; would no longer be necessary. He (Sir Jo t Graham) confessed that he did not take such a sang lo ' ) ; view of the state of society ; he w as a f ra id that the l' ° . ° were increasing and multiplying, and that the neces sity of supporting them would become more and more ncc nary. But that was a vain speculation. In looking b t . 4 a to the history of the country, he found that provio", for the.poor %%RS made by Act of Parliament three ee° B turies ago ; and, looking back through that period, is could not find a trace of the precise enactments On to had been embodied in the four clause s su bmitted to to consideration of the House by the Hon. Gentle n t , . 0 With regard to the first clause, the board of guar dis 'r had the power of giving out-door re li e f t o persons o i v i e so sixty years of age in th e i r own h ouses . It was said t that depended upon the c ap r i ce o f th e Commissioners' and that there was no certainty in the law ; but tb e e ; was a general order on the subject, which was sancti on ` ,, by the Secretary of State, an d this had the force of I s The Poor-law Commissioners could not rescind at tol e pleasure such an order. They must receive Is sanction of the Secretary of State. There hi also an order, under certain circumstances , 0 , which separate ap ar t men t s were t o b e g i ve n to th e e , There was also an o r d er , w hi c h p rov id e d t h a t chilt o r o a under seven years of a g e s h ou ld no t b e remo ved their mothers, and that after that period they Enlist P7 Ol access to them at all convenient hours. Therefore. regard to those portions of the Hon. Gentleman tion, there was no necess ity f or t h e i n t ro d uc tion new clauses into th e Bill t o e ff ect t h ose purpose s. ": c a regard to the gi v i ng o f ou t-d oor re li e f t h e c l a use e s the Hon. Gentleman prop ose d on th a t su bj e ct strut e re the root of the entire law. If it were agr i eed •to, t b o s was not a single abuse which exi s ted under the 01 ° se which would not be revived by it.—(Hear, hear-) nn o f must say that he thought the power of granting af door relief was much more safely intrusted to a.bon'ihe guardians who were chosen by th e ra t e p a yers ; a u r a.; did not think that the contr o l o f th e C ommis sioner% be superfluous. He begged to rem i n d th e H ouse of vill a iv had often said before, that the duty of the Col e it sioners was by no mea n s a one - s id e d one . It W 3s ibeir sacred duty, by all means i n th e i r power, by ge influence, by th e i r a d v i ce , an d b y inspection, toted. that the intere s t s o f th e p oor were no t ,ogl e On the whole, h e was sa ti s fi e d th a t th e C om inisse ;T -had not neglected their duty. With regard to ti l e he ference made by the Hon. Gentleman to Ipsw i je m of begged to state to the House that that very P a l n er• forded an excellent illust r ati on o f w h a t th e effects° r 425 mitting out-door relief would be. In that u nion an d persons were relieved in the union workhouse, 'ere 2,281 were relieved out of door. Those who ' 14 :40 maintained in the House cost 531 L, while those " if received out-door relief cost I,94ol.—(Hear, hear.), o the motion of the Right Hon. Gentleman were agree d ot it would subvert everything which was established, t ie the law, and unless the House was prepared to incu r e d responsibility of producing such serious effects, be h°Y they would not sanction this clause. • hie h Lord JOHN MANNERS said that everything • atio the Right Hon. Gentleman had urged against the in hi of his Hon. Friend, could be turned with equal eL). O . against the remarks of the Right Hon. Gentlest:lo ll ,7w self ; for if the cases alluded to had been provide s. ..," by orders of the Commissioners, where was the kala. making them the law of the l an d ? Th e Right „.. — „„y1 Gentleman said that what his H on . F r i en d wished suvihe be the law of the land, was already practised u nder er e orders of the Commissioner s . If t h at were so, w-tato was the disadvantage of its becoming part of the so re , law ?—(Hear, hear.) Th e Ri g h t H on. G ent l e man ', b!e t adverted to the histo r y o f th e poor -l aw, an d said " • during three cent ur i es no prov i s i ons s i m il ar to thossa troduced by his Hon. Friend could be found. f oe thought the Right Hon. Gentleman was the last P er ` in the world who should refer to the history of " p ot legislation on the subject, for he would 11 0 find there the principle of centralisation, w i s es was the great feature of the present t he He maintained that they mus t l eg i s l a t e accor ding t ° us e wants of the people. They must not say that, be s es ,lcl the principle had never b e f ore b een ac t e d u p o n, it s":' e iu not be now. The question wa s , wou ld th e y legisla` o le accordance with the acknowled ge d f ee li ngs o f the R e ; 1 1 of this country? The outworks of this extraorlow system were already giving way. He asked this h i mittee to perfect that which had already been begil l 'ibt supporting the resolutions of his H on . F r i en d, and 010 rendering this session a s ess i on f or w hi c h t h e poor ri ° ever be grateful. an ci Mr. HAWES said, o n th e groun d b o th o f c haritY we e humanity, he should support the Right Hon. Gent ie hish opposite. No one could have read the reports of preceded the establishment of the present syster.oo, e" poor-laws, and th e names appe nd e d to there without ad m i r i ng t h e men b y w h om th e y 0 06, eompiled.—(Hear, h ear .) B rea k d own thi s le', of how would they sec ure an effectual adrninistrati ° „,itisr relief to the poor? Wh ere wou ld t h ey fi n d a si b 5 0' security? It was noth;ng to get rid of the prese p Ito curity, unless they provided another equally good; nte d, resolutions were in fact the old system, and, if ao ° rost: it would be better at once to repeal the new po r n - s tea and let the responsibility rest upon those who adT be eo that old system.—(Hear, hear.) A great deal the said about the treatment of man and wife. vv i a ",. the Hon. Gentleman acquainted with workhouses una e t es) withold sy s t t h e e m ? newW o o u n l e d ? e ( e e n a t r u , re h t e o ar. compare H e t a h p a p t e, s2 i , , i ' e ' s d t o o , any one whether the workhouses existing provi„ ° ,"Tlie 1834 were not a disgrace to the country.—(" No. %) 0 0 great advantage of the present system was that ther ° , o P) a responsible off i cer t o administer relief.—(Hear,'o3os,S If they wished for increased accommodation they he sq be prepared to incur increased expences.—(llean y Gentlemen talked there by th e h our o f th e neces;" b op: giving more relief. He heard scarcely a vv.:0 ( 4 0 0; those poor ratepayers o u t o f w h ose p oc k e ts retie 00 ,56 4 ' come. That class must necessarily have an blu r v ser_ e , expense thrown upon th em if th ose reso l u tions da r t carried. But he admitted that expense was a sec ° ;pll l l consideration. Still he m a i n t a i ne d t h at some chsc„-'oert was necessary in workh ouses ; w i t h out that, haPr„l could not be secur e d un d er any system of poor-10,11W was through th e di sc i p li ne now: maintained ths" at, had that order, and that cheerfulness and Nor t b' (Ironical cries o f "H ear, hear " from Colone.wo#:, Thorp)—which he had himself witnessed in 4 . e ras''' . houses.—(Hear, hear.) The Honourable Gen had made a very powerful appeal ; but he as": fro° House to refer to th e mass o f i n f ormat i on whici uto time to time had b een l a id b e f ore th e H ouse , an" quire whether the abuses of the present law c ci ? compared for a moment to those of the old ° w ne ill!' (Hear, hear.) He knew no board of guardian s f ashiP' was not prepared to listen to cases of peculiar h is. f CIO He hoped he would not b e accuse d o f a want °, 4i sly for the poor, because he voted a ga i ns t the re -eat . ~eroo meat of a system which had engen d ere d such spa evils, in the place of that which now e xisted which he maintained was beneficial to the countrY;boe 6 Mr. ESCOTT did not deny that is , o olQ` existed under the old law ; but he O ppo se not be led by that ci rcums t a nce to , an amendment of this l a w. Th e s i m ple clue sti G °ll entl e ; whether the amendment proposed by the lion' O a man, was an improvement on the present system ' e 1 : 10 „ ; question had not b een t ouc h e d i n th e least byt d Member for Larnbeth.(Hear, hear.) TheY ba se' R from the Right Hon. Gentleman what were thog l ibsto; which out-door relief might be granted ; but , ~e d nately, the power of granting relief was not aorl'ant retie w The powers of the board of guardians to g poor' lll % . were checked by the prohibitory order of th e erta in e ia Commissioners. To that order there were sio ers ceptions, which were explained by the Coinoll i ,ht 1 0 ,„ 1 an explanatory letter. He had asked his f. e r te d W a lt Friend a question on that subject, and had " re , in him the answer that the board of guardians w e of erge o cases, to judge what was or was not a cas e id pers e 'd necessity. But what was the fact? Why ° l . t , poswe r g , were forced into the house without having a ,. th e cis ° appeal. He had heard no arguments agains' ,_ and he should certainly give it his support. ..„ .0 la y w on.. Sir C. NAPIER said he thought the quest_t s . a 331 ,, a n n u d tsh h e i l s l. wif W e, h 6 er o e ye s% a •a r s s tohfeangeec,esinsittoy thefor fwrop.rocryt:3l:f (Hear, hear.) The expense of maintainins, ; an t i l ts . . his wife in the house, was considerably roor q the , g • maintaining them out of the house ; and tP;ass Hon. Baronet would consent to make it tn ce o o ut; e . e m ii e e n f, an t d he h r i o s wviQiufei,46lo7(eliagrsneocldes,ssithyouoldr j b e e 00