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who took pains to examine 'inhere reductions might be made, and pointed them out to the House, was deserving of its thanks. The Noble Lord had, however, upon three or four occasions, thought proper to catechise him in that House. But he would tell the Noble Lord that not all the blood of the Fitzwilliams put together should make him alter his opinion, or prevent him from keeping a strait forward course when he believed himself to be doing that which was right. In the whole of the Noble Lord's speech he seemed to he struggling. between his good wishes to the landed and to the manufacturing interests. First he was speaking of his attachment to the one and then going back to the other, so as to have the greatest difficulty in appearing to keep a proper ba'ance. With respect to the repeal of 'the Tax he believed that it would be_ productive of the greatest advantage to the country, and therefore he had given it his support. .I\lr. LOCKHART thought, the repeal of the tax would be attended with very consideralile bene fits to the fanner. If he had considered it a mere, fractional reduction, he should not have thought it ,worth aCceptance. 'He was not there fore one who was Likely to come forward at any future time to say that ,no boon had been granted to the agricultural interests. Mr. CRIPPS congratulated the House upon the repeatof the Tax. lie wished to know whether the repeal was to take .place immediately, or next year. The Supplies having been granted, he thought it would c.o . itainlyle unfair to call for a reduction of the ,Tax at present.' He supposed that it must take place from the sth of April next. Mr. PEEL, must beg leav,e to dissent from the general tone of congratulation which seemed to prevail upon the repeal of this tax. He believed that it would have been for the good of all in terests that it should have remained, and he should therefore have been prepared to vote in its support. He did not believe that the real permanent and effective interests of the country could be relieved by any measure tending to operate against the public credit, and that parti cularly at a time when great exertions were mak ing to restore the ancient currency of ther-ealm. —(llear.)—He must say that he sho)aid have felt himself bound in consistency, after voting for the estimates, to have supported the taxes by which they were to have been realized.— (Hear.) Sir C. BURRELL expressed his surprise that the Right Hon. Gentleman who spoke last should come down to the House to oppose the Bill upon 'the present occasion, without having heard any of the arguments for or against it upon the pre vious debate. Mr. PEEL explained. He had never before heard that the passing of a measure one stage was a final decision upon it, which prevented any Member from expressing his sentiments upon it at any subsequent stage.--(Loud cries of " Hear !")—He thought he had delivered his -sentiments to the House in as temperate la►►guage, and in as few words as possible, and he was therefore at a loss to know the cause of the Hon. Baronet's remarks.—(Hear, hear!) Mr. GRENFELL was at a loss to know by what means the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Ex chequer meant to fill up the deficiency occasion ed by the repeal of this tax. One method sug gested itself to some persons, which would he one of very great injustice, namely, the applica tion of all the reductions to be made in the course of the approaching year. Another was to reduce the amount from, the Sinking Fund. lie wished to ask whether the repeal of the tax would have the effect of reducing the sum laid out in stock for the reduction of the National Debt? Sir JOHN NEWPORT thought the question to be unnecessary, as the advanced state of the Session would render any other way of clearing the deli ,ciency quite impossible. Mr. GRENFELL was anxious to hear from the Right Honourable Gentleman the nature of his intentions. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he understood the question of the lion. Gentle man to be, whether the amount of the tax would .be taken from the sums employed in the purchase of stock by the Commissioners for the reduction of the National Debt ? He should answer, cer tainly not. In the first place, because the re- Auction would be made from the Consolidated Fund in the gross, and not from the particular fund to which the Hon. Member alluded. And in the next place, because the deficiency would for the most part not be created in the revenue of the present year. (The Right Honourable Gentleman then made some observations upon the Bill, which were for the most part inaudible in the Gallery.) He stated some reasons why it would be inconvenient to commence the repeal from any but the sprin g quarter. It should b e dated from the sth of A pril either in one year or the other.' Undoubtedly if he was to choose, he should say the 56'of April 1822. The Right lion. Gentleman then alluded to the operation of the Bill with regard to persons who had com pounded for their horse taxes, and to those small farmers in whose favour a Bill had been passed during, the Session, exempting them from the duties on husbandry horses. Clauses must of necessity be introduced to provide for these cir cumstances. Mr. CURWEN said that it had always been his intention to date the repeal from April last. He thought he could answer the difficulties raised by the Right lion. the Chancellor of the Exchequer by proposing to make. a new 'assessment of the agricultural horses, by which means all persons would be enabled to make proper returns. That be thought would be a complete remedy for all , the objections of the Right Hon. Gentleman. hi r e thought that the.. satisfaction of the country at the tone and spirit with which the Noble Marquis had met the question would be con siderably damped if the measure were not carried into immediate operation. Colonel WOOD expressed his hope that the cases of those -persons whom he had previously mentioned would be considered in the Bill. The Marquess of LONDONDERRY, in a tone of voice .not generally audible, expressed his doubt of the practicability of having an extra assessment made. He thought that a Par liamentary principle would' be involved in it, which it would lie ,better to avoid. 11r. CuRWEN•and Mr. SCAILLETT said a few words, which were qttite inaudible from. the noise which prevailed in the House. Mr. S. WORTLEY wished to ask his Noble Friend (Lord Milton) whether he - tow Meant to bring forward a proposition relative to the Wool Tax, of:which he had-given notice ? Lord MILTON, ati was understood, expressed his intention of withdrawing the subject for the present. Mr. S. WOIITLDY thought the cletermina.ion of his Noble Friend to be judicious. Mr. CURWEN said, that as he was anxious to meet the feeling evinced by the Noble Marquess, he wo u ld l eave the Bill altogether in the hands of himselfand Colleagues, with the understanding that one quarter should be given to them, so that the repeal should commence the sth of July next. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that in , the situation in which he then stood, he had no choice but to accept the Hon. Member's offer. • Mr. CUR WEN felt that his Majesty's Ministers had acted most handsomely, and he therefore gave up the Bill to them, wishing that they should have the credit of passing it through the House.--(A laugh.) Mr. BROUGHAM really felt it necessary to rise for the purpose of defending his Majesty's Minis ters from the kindness of his Hon. Friend the new Chancellor of the Exchequer, to whom a eyes were now turned as the repealer of the taxes. lie for.one was of opinion that Ministers were entitled to no credit for the repeal of this tax: It had been wrung from them by the House, and to the House he should feel all his gratitude to be owing, as one of those who were extremely anxious that the tax should be done away with. lle neither agreed with those who said it would be of no advantage to the farmer, nor with others, who represented it as being cal culated to weaken or impair the public credit. The public credit would not be affected by the estimates having already been voted, and the tax afterwards repealed ; because it would be recol lected that Ministers on a former occasion brought in a set of estimates, subsequently to which taxes, to a large amount were repealed ; the estimates were.withdrawn and a new set in troduced much lower than the first, although they had been declared to be upon the very lowest scale of reduction. After a few words from Mr. R. COLBURNE, the Com mittee was fixed for Wednesday.. THE_IRISH COURTS OF JUSTICE BILL. Mr. S. RICE hiivirig inC;ved the Order of the Day for the House to resolve itself into a Committee on the Irish Courts of Justice Bill, The Mary.' less of LONDONDERRY expressed his wish that the further proaeding on the Bill might be postponed for a few days. Mr. S. RICE expressed his reluctance to postpone the pro ceeding, 'and especially to postpone it to such a period as would deprive him of the assistance, with respect to it, of his Honour able Friend the Member Mr Waterford. The Marquess of LONDONDERRY allowed, that the de lay in this Bill was by no means attributable to the Honour able Gentleman, but again urged that the Committee should be postponed to Friday. • Sir J. NEWPORT said; it would be impossible for him to attend at a s later period than Thursday. After a few words from Mr. W. Wynn, Mr. Rice, Mr. O'Grady and Mr. Sca-rlett, the Bill was ordered to be commit ted on triday next. GRANT TO THE DUKE OF CL.4IIENCE. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY moved the Order of the Day for receiving the Report of the Committee upon the Grant to his Royal High ness the Duke of Clarence. Mr. HUME wished to make a few observations before the Report was brought up. He thought that in the present state of the country it was ne cessary that some limits should be made for grants like that now under consideration. The allowances of late years to the Royal Family had been quite inconsistent with the means of the country. The Civil List at the present period, taking all the circumstances connected with it into consideration, was greater than it ever had been in the most prosperous or extravagant time. The House-ought now to go upon principle in making this grant, if it had never done so before, with respect to grants of a similar nature. 24,0001. a year was the sum allowed to the other ju nior branches of the Royal Family out of the Consolidated Fund, and the Duke of Cla rence should be made up to that amount, and no more. If he received any allowance beyond that, it ought to be from the Pension Lists placed at the disposal of the Crown. He had no objec tion that his Royal Highness should be put on an equal footing with his Royal Brothers ; and if his Majesty should think proper to give him a preference, be might give it out of the Pension List. But for himself he was free to say that he saw no reason whatever for any partiality. With respect to the arrears- he should reserve any thing he had to say on that subject until the coming up of the Report. The Hon. Member concluded by moving, " That a sum of 24,0001. per annum, exclusive of profes sional allowances, had been considered in the year 1018 suffi cient to support the ditipity of the junior branches of the Royal Family on their marriage ; that it appears to this House, that nothing which has since occurred would warrant an increase of that sum ; that his Royal Highness the Duke of Clarence re ceives a sum of 20,5001. from the Consolidated Fund, and that an additional sum of 3,6001. only is necessary; and if it should appear to his Majesty necessary that his Royal Highnessshould receive more than either &his Royal Brothers, that it appears to this House that his Majesty has power to make an additional grant out of the Pension List of 90,0001., which is a part of the English Civil List of 8,500,000 L, or out of the Irish Pension List of 70,0001., in the same manner as a grant of 741171. had been made by his late Majesty to his Royal Higloress the ➢uke of York ; and thatit was the opinion of the Ilonse, in the pre sent state of the country, it would be higlify improper to add more than 3,5001. to the present allowance of his Royal High ness." The Marquis of _LONDONDERRY said, that no grant could be made out of the Pension List for any sum exceeding 12001. The 25001. a year was a grant made to the Duke of Clarence in early life. The House had originally contract ed the amount of grants from' the Pension List, in order that it might exercise a greater power over the Consolidated Fund. lie really thought the lion. Member would himself withdraw the amendment Sir IsAac COFFIN said, be was personally in debted to his Royal Highness—(a laugh)—for every thing he possessed. He was not ashamed to own it. His Royal Highne3s had entered very early into the service and had smelt pow der too. Every young man that had originally emharkcd with him was now an Admiral or had died in the service of his country. There was no Officer in the service more master of his profession, and he thought the Royal Personage ought therefore to be protected. The lion. and Gallant Member said he Should vote for the Grant and the Arrears also. Mr. Curt WEN said the motives of -the Gallant Member did him honour, hut it could not be dis guised that every Gentleman in the country was obliged to give up a part of his income, and it would not be too much .to ask the Royal Family to share in the burthens of the country. He thought, however,tha.t the whole proceeding was irregular, as it ought to have been preceded by a Message from the Crowd.' 'This Was his first ob jection, but,,if it should be found untenable, he should certainly vote against the Grant. Mr. LOCKHART said that time had already made an additional Grant for the Duke of Cla rence. Could.any Gentleman deny that 00/. was not ate income which,at the preseLe, would, with economy, meet every possible ex-' pence ? A. splendid appearance was scarcely ne cessary for Royalty, as it commanded respect in itself. , He really thought 20,0001. a year under these circumstances was equal to a nominal 30,0001. a year arising from a landed estate. He could not 'assent to any additional grant, and still less to the arrears. • Mr. MoNcx spoke against the grant, In t in a tone of voice which rendered him almost in,,udi- ble. He thought the annual vote equal to a grant of 100,0001. and he put it'to the House whe ther, in the present state of distress, they would grant so large a sum. He fully agreed with the last Speaker in the argument raised against the grant, by the altered value of money. Mr. kJ umE then said, he should not at present divide the House. He would press the substance of his motion in a future stage. The amendment was then put adnegatived, and the Report was brought up and read. Mr. HUMP addressed the Chair, and wished to be informed in what way he could take the sense of the House upon both points—the Grant, and the. Arrears. The SPEAKER' said, that any Member might move an amendment upon - the Grant, and the question of the Arrears might be raised upon a motion for altering the date. from Which the grant was to take effect. CURIVEN then moved that the Resolution of the Com mittee be read a'second time that day three months. Mr. BEA UM 0N T, in seconding the amendment, observed, that he owed no debt to the Duke of Clarence, but he owed a duty to the people of this country, and in the present state of distress he could not , vote for the addition of one shilling to the public burthens. Mr. BECHER said a few words against the grant. Mr. ABERCROMBY. said, that as he was disposed to agree to the vote for 60001. a year, he must vote against the amend ment of the Member for Cumberland. Mr. RIcARDo and Lord MILTON shortly spoke to the same cifeet. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House divided upon Mr. Curwen's amendment, when there appeared For the Amendment Against it Majority 111 _126 On our readmission to the Gallery we found Mr. llumc on his legs speaking in favour of a reduction. lie then moved, as an amendment to the ;rant , that the vote be reduced to 3,5001. Mr. ELLICE objected to the amendment in its present shape, as it left the Crown a power to make up the WOOL out of the Pension List. Mr. BERNAL thought his Hon. Friend had mis- conceived the amendment. It merely reduced, without dictating to the Crown. He believed that when the 60001.. was originally voted, it did not enter into the contemplation of the House that the Duke of Clarence then enjoyed 2,5001. a year more than either of his younger brothers. Mr. P. Moon said the vote came before the House in a crooked, underhand, and unparlia- mentary manner. It ought to have been brought before the House by a Message from the Crown. It was by no means a matter of course to revive an old grant of a former Session. Parliament had already provided for the Royal Family in a liberal and elegant manner.—(A laugh.) Mr. CALCILtFT assured his Hon. Friend the Member for Rochester (Mr. Bernal) that the grant of 2,500/. a year had not escaped the at tention of the House wlien they came to the vote of 1818. On that occasion it was recollected that the younger brothers of his Royal Highness had professional advantages which he had not. — He (Mr. C.) thought himself pledged to make good the engagement of Parliament, and he therefore should vote for the Arrears. He thought there was no necessity for a message from the Crown, as the vote stood recorded on the Jam-lids of the House. Mr. CKEEvEy supported the Amendment for the reduced vote, and contended, that there were other funds at the disposal of the Crown, from which the sum might be made up to 6,0001. Mr. DENMAN submitted, that as there was no message from the Crown, the House could make no grant at all. He had himself consulted the Journals, and he found that all that had passed before had taken place in a former Parliament, and in a Committee only.—(Here there was a general appeal to the Chair.) The SpEAKra thought.the Hon. Member was mistaken. A' report was made to the House the year 1818, and a discussion ,took place upon it, although no Bill had been brought in upon it. —He did not feel the weight which had been placed upon the distinction between the two Parliaments. The Resolution was still a Vote of the House of Commons. His opinion, however, was supported by higher authority. In the year 1818, upon a message from the Crown respecting other branches of the Royal Family, a Vote was passed in favour of the Duchess of Cumberland, although she was not included in the Amend ment.—(Hear, hear !) Mr. MAXWELL said, he felt himself under the necessity of voting against.the Arrears. Mr, HUMS anLMTr. ELLeca mutually. axplained. • Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House di vided upon Mr. Ilume's Amendment, when there appeared For the Amendment - - - 30 • Against it - - - - - , 167 Majority - - - When we re-entered the Gallery, we found Mr. BERNALOD his legs, speaking to that Reso lution of the Report which fixed the commence ment of the annual payment of 6,0001. at the 25th April, 1818, conformably to the Resolution of the House of 1818. Mr. Bernal proposed as an Amendment that the grant should take effect from the 25th April, 1821. The Marquess of LONDONDERRY said, he had liked the beginning of the observations of the Hon. Member (Mr. Bernal) ; but his generosity seemed to be curbed in by the company around him, from whom, rather than from his own dis position, his Amendment seemed to originate.— (Hear!)—He (Lord L.) could not say that this was not a question on Which a difference of opinion might. arise, hut he would say, that the only .show of argument had been founded on the im pitting to him an assertion which he had never made. It had been said that he (Lord fg.) came to the House to ask for arrears, which he had claimed as due to the Royal Duke ; and that as he could not shew a bargain, that claim for arrears could not he sustained. Now, in fact, he (Lord Londond err y): had never pretended that arrears were due, but he had contended that Parliament had always been in the habit of giv ing a retrospective operation to gran ts,and, in fixing the time of their commencement, had been in the habit of exercising an equitable discretion. If Gentlemen on the other side would more closely follow their. own practite v they mightilave fq4ind irlate proceedings a precedent for the pretnt propoSiCio4.% 'When lat;IY" zi vote had been pro posed to her Majesty, an lion. Member had said that the House should not consider whether she would take it or refuse it, but that it should be paid into the Exchequer to be taken when the Queen pleased :—so that if her Majesty, after twenty years, chose to take what was now - lin- properly called arrears, she might have done so, In the case of that grant, too, there was actually a retrospect to the death of the late King. In cases too when annuities •were granted on ac count of victories, the grants were carried back to the time of the event which called for them. In fixing the time when this vote should com mence, the equitable term was the original time when Parliament granted it in 1818. In fact, his Royal Highness had only refused it then from an honourable desire to abstain from burthening the public.--(Hear, from the Opposition.)--He assert ed, that it was because his Royal Highness thought, that with the 60001. a year he could not keep ❑p that state that might be expected from a Prince of the Blood, with an increased allowance, that he had refused it. His Royal Highness did intend to reside on the Continent, and had actu ally gone abroad, but from peculiar circumstances, that year in which he had been abroad, had been far from a year of retrenchment; he was, there fore, ready to state (which he could do without affecting the character of his Royal Highness, whose domestic habits of living redounded so much to his credit), that his circumstances were such as to render this vote desirable. He could, if necessary, vouch for the facts which he thought would induce the liberal mover of the Amend ment to vote for the original motion.' Lord MILTON said this wa% strictly a question of arrears, and something might have passed since the Resolution and the bringing in of the Bill to induce the House to change its opinion—non constal--because the House of Commons, in 1818, was disposed to make that Grant ; that in 1821 it should be so disposed. He thought there was something incomplete about this matter. They ought to have had a message from the Crown, and not be referred to the incomplete transaction of a former Session. He admitted however the assertion of the Noble Lord relative to the manner of antedating annuities . to the Officers or persons who had rend e r e d great public services. But the cases were different, for in such cases the House was not involved in the difficulty which in this case they were, of not knowing that the Grant had the sanction of the Crown. Mr. CUR WEN thought the case of her Majesty and the present were different, inasmuch as that the generous conduct of her Majesty in volun tarily giving up 15,0001. a year, which Parlia ment was ready to grant, deserved to be taken into consideration in any future pecuniary trans action. Ile should like to know ►what had been done with the residue of the late King's money" as he saw no reason, if the Duke of Clarence were in debt, that his debts should not be paid out of that fund. An Hon. MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, opposed thy Amendment. llis Royal Highness the Duke of Clarence had unavoidably got into debt. With respect to the technical objection of Hon. Members opposite, he had to observe that the House had as yet received no official notification that the Queen had accepted the provision granted her by Parliament. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY stated that her Majesty had taken up the whole amount of her income from the time of its first commence ment according to the Bill. Mr. A BERCROMBY said, that few questions had ever been discussed in that house, in which less consideration had been shewn to the parties con cerned. lie was sorry that the Duke of Clarence had been advised to ask for arrears, and although he felt he was doing an ungracious thing in re fusing to vote for them, it was but justice to the Country that he should do so. Mr. .Wii.r.iAms spoke against the motion. He could not admit the cogency of the arguments . of the Noble Marquis opposite. If the Duke of Clarence did not choose to accept the money of fered to him by Parliament, and to uphold the dignity of his station as was the intention of the grant, it was no reason, in his opinion, to induce the House to view his present demand more fa vourably. Why did the Noble Duke not come to them two years ago, when he found that he could not support the dignity of his station with out the addition to his income which had been offered him ? Sir J. GRAHAM was able to inform the Hon. Member who spoke last, thatif his Royal High ness had been left to himself, ho would have sent a message to the House two years ago, and indeed he was willing to have accepted the grant from the commencement, and had only been sdeterred doing so on both occasions by the advice of those who were perhaps better - judges of the matter than his Royal Highness. The country had at least been saved the interest of the money for three years. Mr. DENMAN confessed be was not satisfied with the propriety of the step it was proposed to take in point of Parliamentary practice. lie, thought a message should have been sent from the Crown. Instead of this, however, they were called oo to proceed upott what had passed in a former Reign, ina former Session, and in a f or -1 mer Parliament. lie thought there was reason to complain of the manner in which the Noble Lord had introduced the name of the Queen. It 'served certainly as a splendid contrast to other names, but if her case bore any analogy to the present, she was entitled to 90,0001. of arrears, since she refused 15,000/. of her income in 1814. Mr. MARTIN (of Galway) said, that if the question were one of arrears for the Queers, the Learned Solicitor-General opposite would, with out more ado, vote for them, and for himself (Mr. M.) lie declared that if it could be shewn that the Queen incur - red expences abroad above the anmotint of her atinuAl income, he would_be the first to vote for a sum to coyer those ex pences. The country *as not poorer now thad when it first offered the Duke this sum, and he begged to tell the Learned Solicitor-General opposite that he shonld `vote Mille pro tang, in favour of the motion fot tantittg the whole amount. • \ A - Mr. Dv:4JAN said hp neTiNaid, her Majesty was entitfed to the 90,0001., bbt had assumed the contrary, as 'the foundation of his argument. Mr. Alderman WOOD contended that his Ma jesty's Ministers had acted with great illiberality towards the Queen. They had promised her horses and carriages, a house, plate, &c. and yet when her Majesty. came to receive the five quar ters of the grant made her by Parliament, de ductions were made for those things which they had promised to provide her, and instead .of re ceiving 60,0001. she only received 12,0001. — (Cries of " Question.") The House then divided, when the numbers were— For the Amendment -.- - 81 Against it - - - • - - - -Ell Majority for the original Motion - IRISH MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES. On our re-admission to the Gallery, we found the House in a Committee of Supply. Mr. C. GRANT - moved some grants to defray the expences of certain miscellaneous services for Ireland, but, from the noise which prevailed in the House and in the Gallery, we were un able to hear.some of the first moved Grants. • On a vote of 10,0001. for the education of the Poor in Ireland being proposed, Mr. BECHER observed, that,. from the terms of this pro position, it would appear that the object of the Society alluded to was to educate the Poor of Ireland without any Listinction of religion ; but the fact was otherwise, as conditions •were esta blished with which Catholics were unwilling to conform. There fore, such conditions should not be enforced, however laudable they might be according to the creed of Protestants. From the system of those Schools, indeed, the Catholics had but toomueli reason to apprehend that there was a spirit of proselytism at bottom, - and hence but a few Catholics, comparatively, were to be found in these Schools. If such a system were persisted in, and that the public purse was to be called upon for its support, it was incumbent, in his opinion, upon the Rig . ht Honourable Gentleman who was the or ga n o f th e Irish Government,, as well as upon others who maintained that system, to propose another Grant for the education of:the really Irish Poor, namely, these who embraced the Catholic Religion. Mr. C. GRANT said, that he found this society established in Ireland, upon his accession to th e office which he had die honour to hold, and from its character and its tendency he could not feel himself justified in refusing it his countenance and sup pert. If it were a compulsory :system of education for the people, such as the Honourable and - Learned Member for Win chelsea had proposed, .some Of the objections urged against it might be tenable. But this wafea system of education gra tuitously supported by a certain number of gentlemen, of which the people might avail themselves, if they thought proper. There was then nothing whatever compulsory, and the effect of the Institution (which corresponded with its purpose) was to supplant mischievous publications, which at the time of its com mencement were but too generally circulated among the pea santry of Ireland. The Right Honourable Gentleman con.' eluded with asserting that from all that he had learned, there was no condition whatever connected with this Society incon sistent with the creed of the Catholics. • Sir J: NEWPORT objected. to the interference of the Insti tution alluded to by the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. C. Grant). because it trenched upon the province of the Established Clergy of the country, who were bound by the obligation of an oath to superintend •the education cf the Fier of their respective pa rishes: He was convinced that no general .plan of education could suit the present .state of Ireland. Mr. HUME remembered perfectly: well that ' the principle on which the Institution or 'Society in question was founded, was to give assistance towards the education of the Catholic poor children. That he knew to have been the principle of its foundation, and what . was now complained of was, that this principle had been, deviated from ; for it was now the practice of the Society to give no assistance to schools where the Bible . was read with notes to it, and as no Roman Catholic school used a Bible without notes, it was clear that they could not receive that assistance which it was the original intention of the Society to gi ve. - P,EBL said,' the Honourable Gentleman who spoke beat. had Mistaken the principle of the foundation of this Institution. The object of this Institution als to. educate Roman Catlinitr* together.. The promoters diselainieel...anyinterfeerence in reli gious tenets. There had been no deviation from the original plan. -It was never intended for the exclusive education of Roman Catholics,_ but to promote and assist all s ec t s - and par ties, and-it was but just that all to whom they gave , their aid should • read the same Bible. He considered •it adVisable to support this Institution. The Irish Charities had been on a for rAer night declared gross jobs, but he sincerely- believed the. Money subscribed had been fairly and honestly applied. Mr. GRATTAN entirely agreed with the Right Hon. Gee tleman that the promoters of the society were inlittenced by the beit motives. Both Catholics and Protestants in his opinion might.be educated together, and live in peace - together. - Mr. PEEL explained. Mr. HUME wished the Society to be composed of persons professing all perstiasions. • • Colonel BARRY supported the system on which the CharitY Schools of Ireland were conducted. Mr. BECHER stated that he.knew several instances in which Roman Catholic children had been withdrawn from these schools. Mr. GRATTAN explained. Mr. S. RICE questioned the policy of the Protestant Schoe's in Ireland, as being repugnant to the feelings of the Roman Catholics. • Mr. J. SMITH could not consider the schools of much be nefit to the Catholic population. The item was then agreed to. Voted for defraying the expense of the Dublin Society - 17, 000 £9,230 was proposed for building Churches an d Glebe flouss . Sir .7. NEWPORT observed, that the Bishops and higher Clergy : were bound to contribute to the• building of Churches , yet they had not given any subscription, notwithstanding their incomes incoMes had been gre a tly increased. It was his intention tO make this subject a matter of inquiry. Mr. HUME said, the Honourable Baronet would much be' nefit the country by bringing the subject before a Committee. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER admitted that inquiry might be necessary, but it would not be expedient then to suspend the proposed grant. Mr. GRATTAN expressed an opinion in favour of the Klan . ' Mr. HUME said, 900 of the Clergy in Ireland received million sterling, and it was but fair they should pay what the law required of them for building Churches, and thereby ea4• l the public burthen. Mr. C. W. WYNN was not prepared to investigate the 9• 1 " fairs of the Church. Mr. MONCK thought•the gum for building Churches ough t to come nut of the funds of the Church. • The Resolution was then agreed to. •-• On the motion for granting £18,461 for purchasing Gleb e ' Lauds in Ireland;... • • Mr. S: R ICE opposed the proposition, and divided the House• For the Motion - - - - 48 Against it :- - • - - - •11 Ntajority for the Grant • - ;•••, - £II 000 was then voted for widening-the streets of Dublinf .X. 2,500 for defraying the expence of the Farming Society ; 1:278 for the expenses cf toe Board of Ireland Navigation. £784 as remunerating allowances to persons holding certsi" offices in Ireland, for making returns to this House, was d' posed by Mr. BANX S. Mr. HUME also considered the motion one which was like' ly to involve discussion, there Pare moved toreport progress. r. After sonic conversation the motion was withdrawn, and iu • HUME also consented to withdraw his motion for adjournmes t ' £18,700 being proposed for Stationery in Ireland, Mr. F. PALMER complained of the lateness of the hour/ and moved to report progress. 'rite Cri AI r MAN accordingly reported progress, and obtalPe ci leave to sit again. • The report of the several Resolutions agreed to, was received' The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House Adjourned at a QUARTER PAST ONE. - ed The trade of T rowbridge has greatly r° 7l ‘ within the last few months; and every ma n ) wc) ; man and child, who can and will work/ may now find constant employment. At several fac tories they work night and day. Th e poor rates have very sensibly diminished : on the whole;the working classes fare better than Nl' many years past.--(DevSes Gaze ll6 .) To-day the two beautiful planets, Jupiter and Saturn, will be in apparent conjunction, their distance being only two minutes, and will present to the contemplative mind a majestic appearance.