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meat Of ,the present,War ; and he trusted that it would not appear that Ministers had negleCted the Force of the Country, .Bur exclusive of these Arms, the Commiitee would understand, there is now a Depot of Arms to a very great amount, ready to b e i ssu ed as occasion might arise. This was a suf. ficient statement for the presentin this particular. gotte through the Army, he should proceed to that of the Navy ; and here again he felt great satisfatlion in contemplating our strength, that if, the Enemy should attempt to invade us— 'which he thought he would,-for two reasons : first, that he was too much pledged to it to pass it over ; secondly, because he had no tenderness at all for those whom lie Might order on such a desperate expedition—we were well prepared in that respea al s o. We had two species of Naval Force, that of the regular Navy, and that of a Flotilla made for the exigency of the present time. Ile should not go iron ihe particulars of the Ships, the distribution of which was made by' the Noble 1,- , rd now, so much, to his '.own honour, and to the public advantage, at 'the head Of the Admi. raltY. We had now of regular Ships of all &scrip. tiona no•less than 469 great and small, and a Flo. .tilla of tic' a. -So that we hid ail not less than 1300 Ships for the protraion of the Coasts of this Country, and ready - to meet the Enemy. So that great as ,the means of. the Enemy might be, and desperate as might be his Charaaer, this was force enoiigh r io give' us the consciousness of ,security ; not that:kve were to relax, but to continue our ex. ertons. His 'Lordship added, that by the spirited exertions Of the East India Company, which no body of men in the world ever yet equalled, there were fitted up by them not less than 20 Ships, Fri. g.+tes, slid Sloops, set as to render the Thames per. te4l3'• secure. Ile 'paid' 4.. Very handsome compli. 'ient to another very respeetable body, namely, the Trinity.fltime, whose exertions had been very great. Having' expatiated on these topics for a considerable time, his Lordship concluded with ob. serving, that by our wealth, our greatness, our prosperity, our freedom, and our happiness, we' excited the envy, the malice, and the ha. ire& of our present Foe,. whose People were the reverse of ours ; and while they continued so they would envy us and seek every opportunity to di. miniSh our greatness, for which reason, even if we should have peace, 'we must continue to be to a great extent a Military as well as a Commercial Nltion, fir in the present condition of time world, and the condition in which it was likely to continue a long 'while, the one of these must be made to pm. teel, the other. • Mr. FOXltmented very much to hear the last sentiment uttered by the Noble Lord, by which we were taught to expeet hardly any advantages from Peace when we should obtain it. He then proceed. rd to take notice of the matter now before the House, upon the ground that Mr. WINDHAM had done, InAintaining that the idea of only looking at the future without considering the past, .was very imperfect ; for .that no man could form any thing like a eorred opinion of the future without looking at, the past ; and be contended that Ministers had bY means followed the plan that ought to have beerfatlopted. r He censured the unintelligible Ads ofr ParliAnient had passed on the subject of the VoJuoteers and the Army of Reserve, whichnow re. eppeeil ;mother in order to he, intelligible., He ditaP., il tit sty,ed of the Ananner, in which. the Volunteers . 140 been raised and !rained. tic .thottglit, as highly of their, coutage . oany man, but they. hittl , heen.neiiher r Our ,trOraed as he could have wished., A$ mere Vplttotoote, ,they were much too few, sod .as an Army they were a.great deal too numerous. They otsght-tohave ,been, oloathed ocher men, and 'triune,!. in that which - was most useful in the b . our of . instead, of that cat of parade which made them .resemble soldiers, which they could not be, oqr dial. he wish them to he so, for that was nut his i t i ga „ fie_did not want thernto_ march from one pi occ too, another toioin the Regulars, but merely to be in ,villages in their, own .neighbourhood, an d cons id e red more in the nature of an Armed Paasentry ready. by natural courage and strength, together :with some useful knosidedge .of direct •and immediate fighting, on the sudden unser, rather than that.; of -outward, bhe w, He , .quoted the opinion o f Marshal Fiaxe,..who had said, that much .of the military discipline. ,of firing by Companies from; centre to flanki , .,and many other, „thingelaaght to- Soldiers, was uselesS,, became in battle it was im. pea tira 't leo • He-took notice of what an Hon. Friend eif.lsis,( Mr. Sti EK IMO NA ;44 of him' ott a former occasion, (at Goildhall, on the Lord Mayor's Day), that Ftiend of his, had, from partiality, .thought he deal always been what he ought to be, and therefore had thought that he was a Volunteer. Hecertainly waioottc nor would he ever he, a Volunteer,. nut because he did not wish it, .but for 'a-better reason with him ,than any-,lvishes- 7 namely, because he knew he was unfit to be a Volunteer : be could, 'cot do those duties which that-character, to be good' for any thing, required,. no;, Could behelp think, ing that: TtOble Lords,: who were Members of ,Ad. inmisltalion.(Lord4lAwisasauaY and Lord Csks- TLEstaAort) falling-into the ranks were liable Q. some observation. It was said that they did this .„ by may of example t. shoUld the French invade us,. the only example they would, skew would be the example of desertion : . ant that he meant to dispute their courage, but as Ministers, they would, be presumed, think themselves . bound to reserve their Station, lind therefore they must desert their ranks, old this excuse on account,. of, business would l ea d other ,persons to plead- the lame excuse ;. in truth th i ot, ,, ,i ," mer e thew riga!, vain, ostentatious , parade of :courage that was of no value, nor could he think th a t this was the only time the People of England , had the .courage to resist the Invasion of the French ; they had always rione.sn.;, and they always would, he-was , confident of it. Having touched on these and var i mis , o thrr points, in which he censured Ministers severe ly, he took occasion to observe, there was one thing which it was impostiblie to estimate too.highly, for sr otkitit be the admiration of the world, and would be a lasting glory to Qreat Britain, as well as present security against ilanger,—he meant the manaer in which the Fleet under. the command of Admiral CottuwAt.t.ts had been able to stay off Brest in , the late severe weather and. heavy Wes. It was impossible to think too much : of this: it was our security, and the terror of our Fce.— H a y jug past oust a vast variety of other topics, bp took occasion to notice the manner in which the prof,.fered services of the Prince of Wale's had been rcied, ed. lie had no scruple in saying, that the Crown was injudiciowdy advised upon that subjea. He thought the sentiments expressed on that occasion wereworthy of an illustrious Prince of the Reuse of Brunswick, and Heir Apparent of the Throne of Great Britain; who did not wish, like an Eastern Monarch, to consider his pers•„n too sacred to be exposed He wished to share the dangers, in order to shew him self worthy of the highest honour, as well as the best affeftion, of his at present fellow-subjeds, him self the first subjeffin the Realm. He then censor. ed the Government of Ireland for the manner in which the Commander in Chief there had been re. moved. It was true he intimated a wish to that effett, but that was not until he understood from the Government that they wished him to retire. The natural inference from that was, that they thought he had not done his duty ; this was just before the 23d of July, when the Rebellion broke out. it wts true, that when that Commander was appointed to a command immediately on his ar. rival here, and therefore Government here must have a good opinion of him; but still this was proper in Ireland. He charged Government with concealing what they knew of the preparation for the Insurredion in Ireland, for the mere chance of its not happening, and for keeping up the deception played ofF on the Public by the assurances which they had repeatedly given of the tranquillity of that Country. The only thing that could excuse Go. vernment on that head was ignorance, for if they knew it was intended at the time, and in the man. tier it happened, they were accomplices in the mur. der of Lord Kilwarden. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER answered Mr. Fox, and took up the same ground as Lord CASTLE a a Acta. With respett to the case of His Royal Highn'esa the Prince of Wales, he observed, that he declined entering on any discusiOn'of 'that subjed when mentioned in the House last Session, nor had 'he repented of his condutt on that occa. sion, neither should he ever say any more upon it, until be should be either commanded by the KING, or &reeled by that House to do so. He disclaimed any idea of offering the least offence to General Fox, who was the Commander in Chief in Ireland, on the subject of his return into this Country. Spoke highly of that gallant Officer, and also of the . Government of Ireland, which had done so much to conciliate the People of Ireland, and had more of their affalion than any other Administration. Mr..."Teeretary YORKE, in the course of one of his explanations, entered into 'some details respea. ing the InsurreCtion which took place in Dublin on the z ad of July. He adverted to some contradic tory information which had been received at the Castle, relative. to the intended rising, one or two days previous to the aid ; however, on the z3d, ' positive intelligence was received by the Irish Go.. vernment of an intended rising, of some description on that day. These tidings were received by the Lord Lieutenant, at the Lodge in the Phoenix Park ; they were immediately communicated to the COM. mander in Chief. The Lord Lieutenant and that Officer went immediately to the Castle. When they arrived there, the •subordinate Officers of the Civil Government, were ordered to communicate. the particulars of the intelligence they had received. It was certainly known that some rising would take placeatbat night, G ivernment were nut at that ' time apprised of the (461 ; they knew that num.., beta had {locked into the Capital from different parts. of the neighbouring country, particularly the County of Kildare, The intelligence, however, way such,. as that no combined system of rising was to he age.. prehen‘lo. The state of the Garrison of Dublin a was most reapetlahle at the time, consisting of four, Regiment:l of Infantry, of boo men each, and th e 16th,Regiment of Dragoons, consisting of Sao men, beaidesaa considerable proportion of Artillery. He knew alte,City of Dublin nearly as well as this TOWD—he had the honour once of serving in Gar, rison there ; and he wouq •ask. any Military Man, who knew that City, and the respective situations oldie Barracks, the Castle, &c. whether it would not have been very easy to have warned the Officers of the different regiments of the apprehended Insurrection, or to have ordered them to have terrain precau. tinny adopted ; suppose, to have. dirdted them, that after the evening parade, care ahould be taken that the men should nut straggle about, and that they should, remain accoutred : such precautionary Mea: sures he thought lay with the Commander of the Forces, and not with the Lord Lieutenant. A great deal bad been said respeCting ammunition ; if any deficiency obtained therein, was it the fat* of the Civil Government ?. He would ask any man, if it would he. considered as culpable ,in the Civil Government of this city, if the Military ,were in want of ammunition ? It was certainly the duty of the Commandant of the place to order those things, and to take care that proper ammunition was dis tributed ; it was no part of the duty of the Lord Lieutenant : he thought it his duty to state those . facts. ,The very Police of Dublin had been ap. prized,of the intended ri,ing, and the Magistrates of that part of the Civil Government gave di. rediuns to consevence to their subordinate 64., cers, and some of these had actually repaired to. the spot. These fads were substantiated in evi. dence. He thought it inconsistent with the usual magnanimity of the Hon. Gentleman, at such a late hour of the night, anti at the hitter end of a long Debate, to Make such an atta:k upon the Irish Government. The unhappy fate of Lord Krt.. WARDEN was owing to accidents equally extra.. ordinary and unlucky; that he should have proc ee d e d to the very street where the Rebels were assembled • in the greatest force, and get entangled ,with them at the very moment they wete repulsed and re. treating, was a must deplotalble accident indeed.— He must reprobate the' language uttered by the Honourable Gentleman, that the Government the of Ireland ro,y be considered as accomplices in murder of Lord KILWARDEN: the very introduc tion of such language into his speech was repre. hensible ; as well might he (Mr. Secretary YORKE), say that the Commander in Chief was an accont. plier in the murder of Colonel IhowN, because he lived within the distance of half a mile of his own residence, and did not duly apprize him of what was going forward. . With respea , to the recall of the gallant Officer in question, much had been said ; he believed, that; he Kati resigned, In w 43.1 he WAS . , about to say, he meant not to tram any cllame or suspicion against his conclutt : but after the day in question, a coolness certainly cook place between the Lord Lieutenant and the Commander in Chief he•was not aware how this originated. Why had the - Hon. General absented himself from the Castle for a considerable time after? Was it proper ? W 45, it possible that the Government of Ireland could be carried on under such circumstances, when the su. preme heads of the Civil and Military Department. were on•such a footing ? Certainly not, It be_ . came. the duty . of the King's Government to with draw one :or,thellther of them. He felt 'very much on the subjed of the gallant General, and he %void by no means tiVe troubled the Committee with what he had advanced, were it not for the unpra. yoked attack which had been made. • Mr. FOX in reply observed, that the charaCter of a Commanding Officer was always of the greatest importance, as it constituted a material part of the strength of an limy. He gave the Right Hon. Gentleman full credit for his feelings with resped - to the General Officer in question, and as sincerely was that Officer aduated by good will towards the present Lord Lieutenant. With respeil however to the topic under discussion, it was said, that after the unfortiinate affair of the z3d, a coolness took place between the heads of the Government for his part, he knew enough of the charader of one of the parties to know, that it could only originate in the convidion that his conduit bad been mention:A in a way in which it ought not to have been. —When an inquiry should be made, and the Papers produced; it would appear how far the Right Hon. • Gentleman was or was not war_ ranted in what he had advanced that Night.—lie ridiculed the idea of the information being held back, leit the City of Dublin Should be alarmed.— He had no objection to repeat his Opinion that the Castle was surprised—if not, that the Government were Accomplices, &c. With tespea to the idea of its having been the Commander in Chief's duty to apprise Colonel BROWN, the . real qaestion was, and indeed throughout the whole affair, " Had the Commander in Chief sufficient grounds fur giving such Information > The real flit would turn out, on inquiry, to be, that the Com- Mander in Chief had been even more in the way of precaution, than was expetted by the Loan LIEU TENANT, and_ fartlur perhaps. Thar the latter should have written: to the former, that his doing so much was in consequence of his having received more intelligence than hinfself ; and he must say, the more' detly theJlffair was investi. gated, the more . satisfaition would it yield to the General Officer in question, and the more corn. pletely would his ChataCter and Conduct on the occasion be vindicated. BERKhL EY expressed his wish to know from the Right 'fon, Gentleman, whether or not the Lord Lieu tenant had, on the 2.3i1 or July, corninitnic:ited to the Corn-, minder in Chief the likelihood there Wai . Of a Ri s ing on that day ?. Sterriaty YORKE, in answer. to • the Hot). Admiral, repeated what he had . stated or the parties, having gonetoge titer to the Cast l e , where the subordinate Civil Officers Stated, the information they had received, which gave every reasen to exped that a Rising would take place on that day. Mr. CORRY entered into a detailed statement of the best information he had been able to coiled of . the Instirtedion which had taken place in Dublin ; this, in subitance; Was in a great degree similarto the statement g i ven b y t h e S ecretary of State. He consideoxl the event in itself as trifling bed contemptible, but it was to be regarded as a proper objea'Of precautionary measures on the part of Government.; inn much as it was a symptont.of a widely extended Conspiracy, which they to"s certain degree kept 'down by the vigorous and enereetic measures of Government, but was by no means entirely cr ushed. ,• Lord De BLAQUIERE delivered his sentiments rather in detail. He considered the besiness of the 231 of July as a" most daring and atrocious attempt; and that the Castle must' have been completely surprised on thooccasion. •Hp thvuOt,„ noon the whole, the affair merited the most serious which would sheW that gross and flagrant blanie was Imput able somewhere. • • Alr. 1.1 II ICI IINS 0 N shortly delivered his. sentiments. Adverting to a part of the conduct of Covenunent, he ob served, it was'a charaaeristic maxlin of our Constitution, that the King could do no wrong, but a heavy responsibility attached upon Ministers. Mr. Pirr 'and the Cns.neettoa of the EXCiIIIQI; k spedively spoke in explanation, relative to some points which had been discussed in an early part of the Debate. Mr. WlNDriAMandtheCunuesi.toatfthe Excluslusa also spoke severally in explanation. • ••• Mr. Pit'z in further explanation observed,. that a suffi cient number of.field Officers, for the purposes he had men tioned with respect to Volunteer Corps, could without ditti. culty be obtained. He did not 'Mean persons who should hold that, rank at .the time of- their coming to those Corps there were a number of persons of the rank.of,Csiptaius. of a certain numberof vats standing, who would be fully com petent to the purpose, and would make very respectable field Officers. The questions were then put .on thivtliffirent Resolutions moved by the Secretary at War, as as those moved by the Secretary of the Ordnance Department, ail of which were severally agreed to by the Coniututee.. The [reuse then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be received on Monday: The Committee of Ways and Means. and the other Orders of the Day, were then deterred till. Monday, and at three o'clock the House adjourned to' the usual hour this. Jay. T E SUN. SOLIS. QUIS nscamatroilaULl •VDILT lONOON, DECEMBER xo, .18a3. 1 4 AsT night a, Conversation took place in the House of. Commons, in Committee on the Army Estimates, in which much observation was made resPeeling.tk Volunteer System, that will be read with great interest by the whole Country, To: t h a t essential part of the National Force, it must be 'particularly gratifying to perceive, that Mr. PITT has devoted his great talents to the objed of perfea int the System, and has suggestea ideas upon which Ministers will no doubt deem it expedient imme. tiiately' to. found 'an 'Eippatory Aa, particularly with respett to Exemptions, upon which so much doubt and uncertainty seem at present to prevail. This necessary Bill we apiteeltend, be passed before the Cltrismas recess. A certain delicate topic, which was expelled to engross much of the - attention of the Committee, and respelling which much public exp ectation yes. terday prevailed, was only very slightly touched upon by Mr.. Fox: We must confess we are rather pleased at this, for we sit no good that could arise from a discussion of esubj ell relating so immediately to the First Personages in the Country. We exceed• ingly regret that s much publicity should have been • given, by the treachery or indiscreet zeal of pre. tended friends, to a Correspondence which never. could have keen meant fur the public eye. From the statement last night of Mr. Secrets!? Volt:tit, it appears that the Volunteers of Great . Britain amount to 3+ t ,678 Rank and File, anti 17,000 Officers, The ad' pt i on of Mr.yiTT's ideas will, no doubt, render this a highly useful and tea cient force. The following are the Estimates laid before . the Committee : Numbcrs. x. .1..e1. 129,039 - 3, 11 5,45 6 9 9 1,161,108 2 it a......................m......n...MF . e...• 11!.............. , a. Forces in the Plantations, icc. 38,630 41,21:64; 16.6 4. India Forces tbf Great Britain 22,8 9 7 545, 2 4 2 4. Iroapsand Companies tar Re. cruitios ditto, for Great l3ritain 533 29,859 14 9 5. Recruiting and Contingencies :Shad* 4 1%.4 Great Britain - - 6. General and State Officers, With a state of the particulars of the charges - - - 7. Embodied Militia and Fencible Infantry for Great Britain p5g,947 4: 5 5 4 :, 6 9 6.4 ,: gi S t i i ' F9r Irclaod. . . .....t ....... ec5011.,„F..... i 6 2.0940 1 .-----..- , - 24'4793 14 • . ~.,5 0 000 a : 11.1 2 9 .------"' ...-----. 61,1 1 9 L a . - -- ----.—i'" r. Ctnrcis, Carrions, 1-01 (; reat Britain For 1 rthliti Tula! Total S. Clothing for ditto - - 9. Qoittingeaciei tut Ditto' for Eng !anti' _ For I rcland Total 70, 0 ° 67 ° t,w,5 t 3 it 220,i6713 tt 301,46 4446,860 1* 14 * 3.103,i2J * 4 $ *0 9 7 545,628 to. Volunteer Corps for Crest . Britain For Ireland' Total For Crest Britiin For lrelalut Deduct for Imlia Forces Total for Gr!at Britain 2711049 780,23) la 1019-4,7 ii 10 9 G rand Total A Y st e s s E te l rd p a G Di blip Mail of the sth inst. arrived this morn"_ Yesterday morning breakfasted in orning t h s e v ing ; but brings no intelligence. . ~ r-, ``'lid 6 'About ten o'clock tilts MAJESTY left Buckitt,V: it p h U T K I- R I S E I ofR .I's/figlittifill:: ham.house for Windior. ~. o , HER MAJESTY and PRINCESSES, attended vtr Lady M.W t ta in+ RD, followed about t were o'000". Theilaishiergb C a rrapondenten . coral!? letlers from Madrid of the '3i November) .statnlCon the • 30th Gabber the Convention Witr tier french Government, securing h t e Isleuttaitti 4.) t (IA abet. Spain, was concluded on the 3oth of `-''' It is thought . that the Conditions , • theugh l'°t yet public, agree 'with the .requisitions of this . Country, Spain , . hoWeVer, it .is understood, isr furnish to France an , equivalent in troncY , tor „ , the Force she A4aslanun* d by Treaty to provide, an d this our Ministers tatt.lililitrality I The Carysfort Frigate is not lost. ' .r under, Russia* DoYEE, DEC. 9.-.-. A. SCIIII) , ick was sent in here last night by the Ball Colours, Gsan.brig • she was seen to come out of Calais Harbour, and was taken soon afterwards : lier cargo consists of bales of lace, aid other valuable articles', anti it was pretended she was bound for Lottdon.--, It aPPeats that some of our Squadron, firing at soma t a week sinCee Shipping. in Calais Harbour iihou So appre* • did considerable damage to the Town. ns. • hcnsive are the French of any intelligence tra hiring with regard to their preparations, that the , • Crews of all Vessels which enter theirt Ports are: the sundial tre•vented coming on sh ore, and no ,ii'hi"g-boat is allowed to come out of Calais air*. pour widow a Soldier on board, lest they shuold..: have communication with our V es sels, : i.'' PLYMOUTH, ' til t DEC. B.—Sailed the I plti ~..:, 7 9 gtms, and Colour:, 017+ guts, to join the Cho, net Fleet ; and Nisi. • e e, an a Cruize. '.' 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