The Sun. — London, England, 1836-12-19 00:00:00

GRAND REFORM DINNER AT NORTHAMPTON. (From the Northampton Chi oniele.) The dinner which has been previously announced in this journal to be given to George Peach, Esq., as the first Re former ever chosen'to fill the office of Chief Magistrate of this ancient borough, and also to immortalize the first and glorious triumph under the new Municipal Act, took place in the Assembly-roorts of the George Hotel, on Friday, the 16th of December. Among the Noblemen and Gentlemen present were—the Earl Spencer, the Earl Fitzwilliam, Lord Charles Fitzroy, Lord Lilford, R: V. Smith, M.P., the Chairman, 'Edw. Bouvcrie, Esq., Otway Cave, Esq., M.P., Raikes Currie, Esq., Herbert Langham, Esq., Aldermen Adnctt, Cotton, and Williams, and the whole of the Liberal Members of the Town Council. After the cloth was removed, The CHAIRMAN rose and gave in succession—" The King."—(Three times three and great cheering.) " The Queen."—(Three times three.) " The health of the Prin cess Victoria, the Duke of Sussex, and the rest of the Royal Family."—(Tremendous cheering.) The CHAIRMAN said he now rose to propose to them a toast which he might call the toast of the evening. Though they had often met in a similar assembly before, and he hoped they should often meet there again, yet this was a signal and a very memorable meeting.—.(Hear, hear.) He believed that it was the first time that among an assembly of gentlemen, the toast he was now about to give had been given with any satisfaction.—(Hear, hear.) He was sure that when lie first came amongst them six years ago, they would have little expected that be should have given the toast which he was now about to give, they little expected that they would have seen Mr. George Peach Mayor of Northampton.—(Cheers.) He thought that the most san guine among them would have shrunk from saying, that they expected that Mr. Peach would have filled the civic chair. He owned that it was a matter of surprise to him, how any Corporation, self-elected or otherwise, ever dared to exclude a man like Mr. Peach from the Council. He now appeared in office amongst them, having lived to enjoy that honour to which he was entitled, not by the gift of any body who might have chosen him as kmatter of favour • into their company, but by the free suffrages of the whole town of Northampton.-4 Loud cheers.) It was on that account, mainly, that he felt it a high honour to propose to them the toast, and it was also a noble triumph to their own exertions, gradually and temperately achieved, which had placed Mr. Peach in the honourable situation which he now occupiecl--Cheers)—and it was a much more ho nourable thing to them to be entertaining the Chief Magis trates of the borough: than to be takir , a feast from him— (Great cheering)—out of the funds of the town—(Hear, hear.) He did not know what particular wit characterised those meetings, but at least he did know that the funds that were drained were taken from those which should have been appropriated to lighting and improving the town. — (Hear, and cheers.) He never met with a more numerous meeting, or one more calculated to do distinguished honour to the gentleman whom they had to meet this evening. It was therefore with great satisfaction that he had to propose to them the health of George Peach, Esq.,.the first Liberal Mayor of this town elected by a Liberal constituency.— (Tremendous cheering.) • Mr. PEACH then rose, and begged to return his heart felt thanks to the meeting, numerous and respectable as it was, for the kind and handsome manner in which his health had been drunk. It was most gratifying to.his mind, parti cularly when he considered how many distinguished noble men and gentlemen had honoured the meeting with their presence. He felt glad that the Reformers had achieved so great a victory. He could say for himself, that he never was particularly ambitious of corporate honours, but inas ' much as he had had the honour of being elevated to the high office which he now held as the Chief Magistrate for this Borough, an appointment he owed to the great and unprecedented exertions of his friends in placing him at the head of the poll at the late election. He would endeavour to discharge his duties with fidelity and satisfaction-to him self, while in that office, and he hoped that when the time arrived when he should be called upon to resign it, he should do so with the additional satisfaction of a groat pro portion of the inhabitants of the town. He always had been a decided enemy to any exclusive system. He thought it exceedingly unjust that a man should be persecuted on account of his religious opinions.—(Loud cheers.) The late; Corporate Body said the worthy Mayor acted en tirely upon that principle—and however anxious he might have been, to have become a member of the late body, he would have been met with the terms " Whig"—" Dis senter"—and not unlikely—" Radical," or at least--" Half- Radical.—(Laughter.) But he rejoiced that all persons were now placed by the Municipal Reform Bill on an equal footing, for which the public were indebted to the excellent Administration which now held the reins of Government in this country.—(Loud cheers.) Indeed the foundation of British liberties was laid by that Adminis tration of which the Noble Earl who had honoured them with his presence to-day formed so able, enlightened, and efficient a member.—(Cheers.). He should be exceedingly glad again to see that Noble Lord in office, but he was fully convinced that whether in or out of office, the Noble Earl would feel the greatest pride in advocating liberal and en lightened principles. They would always find the Noble Earl desirous to promote the cause of civil and religious liberty. He hoped to see the Noble Earl placed in some important office in the King's Council, to which he was so well entitled. In conclusion, he begged to thank the town for the very handsome and gratifying manner in which he bad been lately elected at the head of .the poll, for the flat tei•ing reception he had met with on the present occasion, and in return drank all their good healths, and wished them • all the happiness and prosperity which this world could afford.—(Loud cheering was long continued.) Mr. PEACH again rose and said it was with great pleasure that he rose to propose the•health of their much respected Friend aid Representative, Robert Vernon Smith, Esq.— (Bravo ! cheers.) He very well knew, that nothing that he could say would enhance, or raise him in the estimation of those who knew him. It was always the greatest plea sure to him to oblige every person, and it was his (Mr. P.'s) most ardent wish that Mr. Smith should continue the Re presentative of this town for many years to come.—(Cheers.) He would sit down by proposing the health of their much respected Chairman, Robert Vernon Smith, Esq.—(Tre mendous cheering, which lasted several minutes.) The CHAIRMAN rose, and was again greeted with consi derable applause. When it had subsided, he said that if be had only to return them thanks for the honour they had done him, as chairman of that meeting, that would have been a very small duty ; but as he had the honour of repre senting the town he should have more to say than would have otherwiie devolved upon him. They were met there upon an occasion which, as lie had previously said, was rare to them, but it was one of joyous sympathy to all of them. —(Cheers.) His Hon. Friend proposed to them to drink his health as a representative of the town, and as their re presentative, whenever he had met them, he had always thought it his duty to state his views on the political pros pects of the cause in which they were engaged.—(Cheers.) He did not think it would be quite fair to represent the con duct of an administration or representative by any single session of Parliament. He thought that if they looked at the conduct of the Administration since they came into office, there would be no reason to be dissatisfied.—( Hear.). What had becom e of the toasts and sentiments which used • to be their rallying points on these occasions. Parliamentary ReforM, that had been carried ; looking still farther back --Catholic Emancipation passed, the Test and Corporation Acts repealed, slavery abolished, Corporation Reform— (Tremendous cheering, in which the remainder of th e sell tence was lost.) Ile turn e d to his Hon. Friend at his side for an answer; there he was seated, as the Mayor of the town.—(Cheers.) • The Liberty of the Press again. In this last session, Parliament had taken off the taxes which encumbered the press. These were the claims of Ministers to their confidence. Having stated this, he had no hesita tion in proceeding to the acts of the last session. They had abolished two of the grievances of the Dissenters of this kingdom ; they had passed the general Registration Act, and the Dissenters' Marriage Act.--(Loud cheers.) T hey had relieved the press, as he had before stated, from the stamp duties, and had taken off the paper duties ; had equalised the duties on sugar, and thus enabled their colo nies of the East to extend their commercial energies. They had not been able to pass those measures which his Ma jesty's Ministers intended for the amelioration of the state of Ireland.—(Loud cheers.) They had been defeated upon the Irish question, and they were told that the mea sure was a phantom ; but whether it were a shade or a phantom, or whatever it might be called, it involved a great principle, which should be adhered to. (Loud cheers.) In this he was borne out by former Administra tions, for when they recollected that in the beginning of 1835 Sir Robert Peel came into oCte, and was asked as to the course that he should adopt, Whet' did lie say ? That there was very little difference between him: and the preceding AdroinistratiOn—( Hear, hear)—and that the reforms they meant to bring forward were just the same as those of Lord John Russeft. " Very well," said Lord John," we will take this reform and that reform from you ; but there is an es- Aeetfal difference between us," and he pointed at once to `the Irish Church Bill.—(Clicers.) There was another ..; measure which was brought forward last session and the pre ceding one, and that applied also to the country for which he was sorry to say that so much of their legislation had been required.—(Hear.) This question was one to which he also hoped there would be the greatest adherence, that of Irish Municipal Reform.—(Tremendous cheering.) He owned it appeared to him that there never was so intense an insult offered to so oppressed but generous a people.—(Cheers.) To tell a whole mass of mankind—educated, intelligent, and active men—that they were incapable of managing their own affairs, was a most daring outrage.—(Cheers.) The - whole objection consisted in their being of a different re ligion—(cheers)--because they were Roman Cctholics. The. Hon. Gentleman then proceeeed to say that he knew very few measures which remained to pass for this country, but that he entertained the most sanguine expectation in their passage, either in this next session or the following.— (Cheers.) They were told that the party to which they belonged must, before long, separate themselves. For him self be saw no difficulty ; he did not see any reason why the Liberal party should not act together for the accomplish ment of those objects in which they had a common interest. He by no means meant they should adopt the language of their opponents, but he thought they must take a out of their book, and act in union. He could not understand why the Liberal party should not act together. Two great questions out of the five which the Dissenters sought to obtain had been carried last session. He hoped next session some measure would be brought forward which should bring to a satisfactory result the question of church rates.—(Loud cheers.) In mentioning that, as he found himself obliged to do, he should shrink from what he con sidered his duty if he did not state his individual feeling, that the question of church-rates had been mis-stated as a Dissenter's question. He did not think that it could be fairly considered so ; it is an injury to the Church of Eng land, and in his view they ought not longer to suffer those rates to be taken from those who do not believe in the Church Establishment. (Cheers.) The Honourable Member then alluded to the Charity Trusts Bill, which Lord Lyndhurst spoke of as having. been founded upon a vicious principle, and he said it was calculated to give the government of towns to Dissenters. In saying that the Bill was calculated to give the government of towns to Dissenters the Noble Lord made an acknowledgment to the Dissenters, for lie admitted . that the population of Dis senters was at least half in the United Kingdom.—(Cheers.) There never was a meeting called together under more aus picious circumstances, or with more apparent prosperity to the liberal interest of this town.—(Tremendous cheering.) As lie had introduced that subject to them, he would call upon them to remember, that when be first came among them, he was returned in conjunction with another Liberal Member.—(Rear.) He called upon them to remember that as an example-.—(Great applause.) " I have," said Mr. Smith, " kept all- my conditions, why have you departed from yours ?—(Cheers.) I venture to tax you with having returned to Parliament a gentleman that neutralizes every honest vote that I have given.—(Hear.) You talk of what your representatives ought to do, and you find fault with men, and a whole set of men, and the Legislature, and you tell them that they are not doing their duty. Why do not you do your duty ?—(Cheers.) If you wish to bring con viction to the minds of certain Noble Lords, return more Liberal Members to. Parliament.—(Cheers.) Another Liberal Member sitting by my side will convert two Noble Lords, and if you go on with the other Tory Members at that rate, perhaps you will convert the whole 'House of Lords."—(Cheers.) The Hon. Member sat down amidst prolonged cheers. Earl SPENCER then rose, and was received with tremen dous approbation. The Noble Lord said :—Gentlemen, the way in which you have received me on the present oc casion leads me to suppose that yau have not altogether for gotten me.—(Cheers.) It is some time since I had the honour of addressing you as a public body, but still I am perfectly satisfied that you will not think that in proposing the toast which I am going to do I am likely to propose one which will not be received by you with feelings of satisfac tion.—(Cheers.) I think it would be best, before I pre face that toast, to tell you what it is I intend to propose. I intend to propose to you the health of Lord Melbourne and his Majesty's Ministers.—(Great cheering.) I have heard it indeed said, but I cannot believe that any person should so think, that some of these who are friendly to reform think that his Majesty's present Ministers are going too far.—(A laugh.) But, Gentlemen, their feelings are very different to mine.— (Tremendous cheering)—be cause, if they thought they were going on too fast, and did nothing more, they would have produced a great disturbance and a great danger to the community. For myself, I have never been a person for theoretical reforms ; I have never wished to see any institutions altered, or any mea sures adopted unless it is for the relief of some practical grievance.—(Loud cheers.) The people had not been properly represented ; then if we were to stand still after the reform of Parliament had been carried; we should have lint all the benefits of that great and advantageous measure.—(Cheers.) I say then that I cannot see how any man that has advocated a reform in Parliament can think that his Majesty's Ministers are going too far. It appears to me that they are acting with prudence, firmness, and wis dom, and the present Ministers are only carrying out our principles into effect.—(Cheers.) But it is said also that they do little. Why, really, if people have looked at the history of this country, I cannot possibly conceive that the Adminis tration can go forward in the course in which his Majesty's Ministers wish to go forward without meeting with very serious opposition ; they must be very much mistaken. Why, when we knew that principles of an opposite tendency had the command for a century, can it be supposed either that they could have been predominant, unless they had had a very strong support, or, haviing had, they had not left a very deep root in the country. They are endeavouring honestly to overcome that, and they are proposing measures which I think beneficial for the country, and I believe the enlight ened state of the country will enable them to carry them. My Honourable Friend, in his address, has gone into more detail than I feel it necessary to do in addressing this as sembly ; all I feel it necessary for me to say is, that so long as I see them going on in the same course, they shall have my cordial support.—(Cheers.) I will not ask of them any favours, I will not take any favour from their hands, but I will give them independent support so lonn. as I see their measures are such as I approve.—(Great cheering.) I hope and trust that the course of Government will be just and straightforward, and I hope that the principles upon which they act will receive the support and confidence of the country ; and I am sure it will. The Noble Earl, who spoke with great energy, then concluded by giving— " Lord Melbourne and his Majesty's Ministers." Three times three. The CHAIRMAN then rose and proposed, in a highly lau datory speech, the health of the Noble Earl who had just sat down. Earl SPENCER again rose amidst loud 'cheerily., which continued several minutes. It was most gratifying to him to perceive the warm in which they received an old ser vant.—(Cheers and laughter.) He hoped and trusted that while he was their servant he worked hard , but he did his best to perform his duty.—(" You did," and cheers.) During the course, a pretty long course, of his political life, there were four measures which' he looked to always as the objects of the greatest desire. He looked to the Repeal of the Test Act ; he looked to Catholic Emancipation ; he looked to the Reform Act ; and he looked to the emancipation of slavery.—(Great cheering.) By their favour, he was ena bled to remain in the douse of Commons long enough to see all these four measures carried. Two of them, indeed, he had always looked forward to with hope : he meant the repeal of the Test Act, and the Catholic Emancipation Act. But during the greater part of his political life he never supposed that he should have lived to see the Reform of Parliament, or the Abolition of Slavery ; and if any one had told him that he would, he should have thought that they were • either deluding themselves or deluding him.— (Cheers.) The good sense of the people carried Reform of Parliament ; and having carried Reform, they were enabled to carry the Abolition of Slavery. These great measures would form a great era in his political life ; he always had a great wis that they might be 'carried. He con sidered that Reform of Parliament was essential to the good government of the country. The country might have good government without it, but there was no security for it. The system of slavery cast a stigma upon them, in keeping a number of fellow-creatures in so degraded a state. --(Cheers.) He was now referring to events which he was happy to say-were now only matters of history. As he had said before, he worked hard, and did his best ; he worked quite as hard as he could—(Cheers)—and one con sequence of that work was, that he was not up to " show fight" then.—(Laughter.) But whatever might be the po sition in which he was placed, he did not think that it was morally possible that he ever should change the opinions that he had acted upon. Every day's consideration led him to think- that he had been right in those opinions.—(Cheers.) He could have nothing to gain by changing those opinions, and should have everything to lose ; but he hoped that would not influence him, and he would only say that he should never change his opinions, because he was satisfied that they were right.—(Great cheering, amidst which the Noble Earl sat down.) The CHAIRMAN said he had now to propose to them an other health, which he was sure they would receive .with the sincerest cordiality, " The health of Earl Fitzwilliam." The toast was given with three times three, and tremendous applause. Earl FurzwiLtartm rose , and was loudly applauded. Gratifying as it must have been to him to hear the obser vations which had just been made by the Chairman, and their responses to them, yet, looking back to his connection with the electors of that county, which was not only unso licited, but he would ventur e to say uncontemplated, they would understand how it was that his gratitude and his pleasures were not un min g led with deep pain and melan choly. He was there amongst them reit of his right arm, but not on that account less desirous to serve his country and them.—(Cheers.) [During these observations his Lordship was greatly affected.] In every sentiment which had been expressed by his Noble Friend (E ar l S pencer ) , who was personally so much better known to them, be took this opportunity of expressing his entire adherence --{Great cheering.)--and if he understood that Earl Spencer, in naming his principles meant the principles of popular Go vernment, it was, he trusted, unnecessary that he should state more explicitly his adherence to those principles.-:.... (Cheers.) He kneW no difference between any of the Reform Governments which bad existed for the last six •ears. He would allude to one of the Acts passed by the present Government, which had met with applause almost universal, but not more universal than it was merited ; he alluded to the administration of the Poor Laws.—(Cheers.) He traced the success of that measure from a source very different to the wisdom of those at the head of the nistration—he traced its success through the law being carried into effect, through the medium of a popular institu tion.—(Cheers.) It was to that popular institution that that measure owed its success. He trusted that the suc cessful administration of the Poor Law would lead to the populrity of a great number of their local institutions. He believed that all their public institutions would be better managed had the people an influence in their ma nagement.—(Great cheering.) He would apply that observation to the subject of county rates.—(Hear, hear.) That subject had been brought before the public by a gentleman not unknown to some of them — by Sir Cullen Smith. Ilis (Earl Fitzwilliam's) belief was, that there was no part of Government which could not be improved by popularizing the machinery by which it was to be carried into effect.—(Great cheering.) He could not help, before he sat down, adverting to one particular cir cumstance. It was no very great number of years ago that he took the liberty of endeavouring to assemble some gentlemen in this town, for the purpose of discussing with them the then, as it appeared, hopeless question of Parlia mentary Reform. The present Mayor of Northampton was, he believed, the only gentleman connected with this town who did me the honour to meet me on that occasion. —(Great cheering.) He felt grateful to him for his pre sence, and having had, in those early days, his co-opera tion, he felt the greater satisfaction in coming there on the present occasion, to congratulate him on his accession to that high office for which he is so well adapted.—(Cheers.) But he (Mr. Peach) could never have filled it without Parliamentary Reform, for he (Lord Fitzwilliam) would be bound to say that the old House of Commons would never have overthrown the old Corporations of this country.— (Cheers.) Before he sat down he would ask for a large class of his countrymen for their co-operation in obtaining Corporation Reform for the sister kingdom of Ireland.— (Tremendous cheering.) He claimed their sympathy, and more, he claimed their assistance, in obtaining for Ireland those measures of Corporation Reform from which. this country had derived so palpable and so great an advantage. —(The Noble Lord sat down 'amidst continued cheering.) The CHAIRMAN then proposed the health of "E. Bou verie, Esq., of Delapre Abbey." Mr. BOUVERIE returned thanks. The CHAIRMAN afterwards gave " The health of Lord Litton]," who returned thanks. The Rev. J. SERGEAUNT replied to the toast of " The healths of the Liberal Clergy of the Church of England." The CHAIRMAN then gave " The Dissenting Ministers of all denominations." The Rev. Mr. WILLIAMS, of Creaton, and Mr. MEEKE, of Northampton, Unitarian ministers, returned thanks. The CHAIRMAN afterwards rose to propose " The health of Raikes Currie, Esq. Mr. CURRIE returned thanks. Several other speeches,' for which we have not space, were delivered, and the meeting separated. NAVAL INTELLIGENCE. (From the Hampshire Telegraph.) PORTSMOUTH, DEC. 17.—One hundred additional ma rines from the Woolwich Division, are ordered to be sent immediately to Passages to reinforce the battalion under Major Owen's command. Lieut. James Lynn, of the Royal Engineers, quartered in this garrison, is ordered to embark also for the same quarter. The Inconstant, 36, Captain D. Pring, is'lo proceed to Plymouth, there to wait for orders. She will sail about Monday. The Cameleon, 10, was, on the 2d inst., at Lisbon. She had been for a month cruising off Cape St. Vincent, for what purpose does not appear, and was going to the same station again on the following day. The Edinburgh, 74, and Castor, 36,, are ordered to be paid off at this port ; the former to be put into ordinary, and the latter to be recommissioned. The Lightning steam-vessel arrived on Sunday from the river, on her way to the north-coast of Spain, and having completed her coals, proceeded the following morning. On Wednesday noon the Stork, revenue cutter, Lieut. Fothergill, fell in with the Ariadne, Trenwick, master, of this port, totally dismasted off Selsey Bill, and in great dis tress ; though blowing very hard, Lieut. Fothergill took her in tow, and got her under Bemhridge in the course of that night, and on Thursday evening towed her into this har bour—she is coal-laden, and from Seaham. The Prince was moved from her moorings on Thursday, to those lately occupied by the Venerable, and the Victory took her station on the following day, as harbour guard ship, Captain T. Searle, C. 8., bearing the flag of Rear Ad miral Superintendent Sir Frederick Maitland, K.C.B. Air. Maybery, Surgeon of this ordinary, has been discharged from ill-health without' being superseded. Mr. Edward Williams, second master, is 'appointed to supersede Mr. J. J. R. Duncan in. charge of the buoy-boat ; twenty-five ser viceable men have this day been discharged from this ordi nary, and twenty-one of them are awarded 15/. per annum each for their civil service. _ _ The packet ship Quebec, Hebard, got away this evening for New York. Arrived this evening the Cambrian, Dring Master, from Miramichi, on the 15th, ult., with the loss of sails, bul warks, .cleckload, and boats. The carpenter, by name Fos ter, was washed overboard, and lost on tho 2d in long. 30. A large fleet of merchant ships are still lying at the Mother-bank, and during the tempestuous gales all have rode it out well. Every day this week we have had an ar rival ; most of the ships are foreigners, the greatest part having been beating about in the channel for nearly a month, and compelled at last to seek shelter in an English roadstead. At Spithead—lnconstant, Barossa (transport), Sarah (convict ship), Quebec (American packet), Castle Lachlan (West Indiaman). In the Harbour—Britannia, Victory, Excellent, Royal George, Samarang, Serpent, Pantaloon, Atholl. APPOINTNIENTS.—Lieuts. C. S. Williamson and A. Leathart, Mr. J. W. Bateman, Master, M. J. Kittle, Sur geon, Mr. A. D. Bain, Assistant Surgeon, Mr. H. Vaughan, Mate, and Mr. J. Taylor, Purser, to the Wolverine ; Mr. L. C. H. Tongc, Midshipman (late of the Hyacinth) to the Inconstant ; Mr. Francis Bourchier, Extra Mate, and. Mr. Thomas Belgrave, Midshipman, to the Samarang ; Mr. John Thompson, M.D., to be additional Assistant Surgeon, of Britannia. The following Midshipmen passed for Lieutenants at the Naval College, on Tuesday and Wednesday :—Mr. Fran cis John Digging, and Simpson 11. Ricketts, late Hyacinth ; John Rashley Rodd, Portland ; Alexander Hamilton, Ser pent ; Joseph Sparkhall Rundle, Fairy ; Wm. Richard Smith, Henry Thomas Dundas Le Vesconte, and William Everard Alphonso Gordon, Excellent ; Thomas Belgrave, late North Star ; Fred. Archd. Campbell, 'Water Witch ; Alexander Rodney Bligh Carter, Talavera ; Charles Cod rington Forsyth, Beagle ; John Wyborn, Belvidera. (From the Devonport Independent.) The Goodwill, lighter, sailed on Wednesday for Fal mouth, and from .thence to Pembroke with stores. The Duck lighter, sailed on Thursday with stores for Ports mouth. The Buoy boat, sailed on Thursday with stores for Falmouth. Britomart, will be paid off on the 20th instant, having been prevented by bad weather, from being paid off as stated in our last. The Reynard Packet, Lieut. Dunsford; arrived on Tuesday from Falmouth, for general repairs. . Forty-nine men were dischared on pension yesterday, from the Ordinary at this Port. In Harbour—Royal Adelaide, San Josef, Stag, Brito mart, Pigeon packet, and Goodwill lighter. In the Sound—Talavera. The Blazer, steamer, arrived here yesterday. H.M.S. Stag, 46, Commodore Sullivan, was taken out of dock on Tuesday, and warped alongside the Jetty to be rigged. Extract of a letter from the Wanderer brig of war, dated Halifax, Nov. 12, says—" We are refitting along side the Pyramus hulk, having during the whole summer been cruising in the Bay of Fundy ; and as soon as ready,. we are ordered to accompany the Admiral, Sir Peter Halket, to Bermuda, and thence to Jamaica, who proposes to sail on the 1 7th instant, in the Melville, 78, which has had a thorough refit. This goes home by the packet brig Delight, by which vessel two of our gentlemen, Mr. Map pleton, Mate, and Mr. Gardner , Clerk , go passengers. We experienced a very tempestuous Passage during our late trip to St. John's. The Forte frigate has left the station for England." NOTICE TO MARINERS.—A green buoy, marked with the word " wreck," has been placed about 30 fathoms E S.E. of the wreck of a brig, on the north end of the Brake sand. The buoy lies about half a mile S.E. from the North Brake Buoy, and in four fathoms at low water spring tides. At Cherbourg, on the 4th instant, about six o'clock in the evening, a - luminous body, of the species of meteors called bolides, was seen to the eastward, and proceeding from north to south ; the wind at the moment was blowing violently, and the rain falling in torrents. Duke Charles of Brunswick, Lords A. Fitzdarence, Tenterden, Arden, Count d'Orsay, Mr. IN ombwell, and many other fashionables, occupied private boxes at Drury lane Theatre on Thursday evening, to see the new ballet of the Devil on Two Sticks. The cachoucha, one of the most celebrated of the dances of Spain, and executed by Mdlle. Duvernay with as much spirit as gracefulness, was encored. HELTEN HAM, OXFORD, and TRING RAILWAY. Yle Parliamentary Plans and Sections deposited with the (Clerks of the Peace, establi'sbed numerous contradic tions' to the recent Report of Directors of this Company (signed " Pearson Thomson," Chairman) and at the same time furnish accurate means of comparing the Engineering qualities of this projected Line with the Railway from Cheltenham to Swindon, already sanctioned by Parliament, and the following facts elicited from those authentic sources, are promulgated for public information. By the Directors' Report, &dyer. By Plans and Sections deposited tised in the Times Newspaper, with ,the Clerk of the Peace, Dec. 7 : on or before Nov. 30 ACTUAL MEASUREMENT. Gloucester to London. Miles Ch. By Tring By Swindon DISTA WC FS. Gloucester to London, 91 miles! shorter by Trig; than Swindon. Cheltenham to London, 233 miles shorter by 'rring than Swindon. TUNNELS. No single Tunnel will exceett 500 yards in length. GRADIENTS. For the Traffic from Worcester to London, there will be a saving of 5 miles, and the Gradients of, this Line (excepting- the Dales-1 well Plane) do not in any case exceed 16 feet per mile. Difference 5 54 Cheltenham to London, . 61 By Tring I By 'Swindon ll9 50 INCLINED PLANE. Excepting . the " Plane" at Dodeswell.) Difference 19 69 TUNNELS. At Sandwell, near Andoversford. Tunnel, 47 chains ; or 1,034 yards. a RA DIENTS. The first Gradient upon the Tring Line, after quitting the Gloucester and Birminghamr'Ra'il ,way, is I in 212 ; or 26 feet per for mile. INCLINED PLANES. M. CH. One of 1 2 and One of 1 3 1 in 414 ! ! 1 in 30 ! ! Although the Directors' Report is prudently silent upon the point, the Tring Prospectus states the distance to be six miles less from Oxford to London. The actual distances by sections, however, prove, Oxford by Tring to London Oxford by Didcot to London .... Difference only l mile 40 chains. It may be alleged, perhaps, and truly, that the London and Birmingham Station, at Euston Grove, is nearer to the city than the Great Western Station at Paddington, whence these respective distances are calculated ; but on the other hand, it is worthy of observation, that the latter Depot is nearer and more direct both to Piccadilly and Oxford-street ; and it may be fairly assumed, that as far as the traffic from Oxford and Cheltenham is concerned, not being commercial, three-fourths, at least, in number of Passengers will be destined for the West end of London. The fares to the City, by public conveyance, are at present the same from both places. The several inaccuracies thus enumerated are, however, trivial indeed, when contrasted with the total suppression of facts of material value in determining the comparative su periority of the two lines. Admitting the distances to be more or less favourable to the Tring, the first enquiry is naturally directed to the ge neral features of the country to be traversed. What are the respective summit heights to be attained ? This must be acknowledged at all hands, a principal ingredient in the comparison, inasmuch as Mr. George Stephenson, and other Engineers of ability, have proved that twenty feet of verti cal rise may be generally esteemed equal to one additional mile of distance. The followingstatements are indisputable, being deduced from the Parliamentary plans and sections already refer red to. LONDON AND OXFORD. BY TILING. Ascent. , BY DIDCOT. - , — 7 ft. Ascent. From Euston Grove to Tring 348 From Padding,on to Oxford From Oxford Depot to Tring 202 Depot (no intervening summit) CH. - From Oxford to Paddington Nil 21 ... feet 550 Tunnels (none) _ _ M. 5 Tunnels 2 In making the journey from London to Oxford and back again, the traffic must therefore overcome 423 feet of Verti cal rise by the Tring, more than by the Didcot Line, making an average excess each way of 2111 feet, which is equal upon Mr. George Stephenson's evidence to an extra distance of IOA- miles between Oxford and London. LONDON AND GLOUCESTER. TRINd LINE. From Euston Grove to SWINDON LINE. Tring From Oxford Branch to Andoversford From Gloucester Depot to FroM Paddington Depot to Swindon From Purton to Sapperton ll4 From Gloucester Depot to Sapperton ,From Murton to Swindon 2 Andoversford From Oxford Branch to Tying M. 7 Tunneli 3 cu. 6 ...... 1,350. !2 Tunnels 1 76 The excess both ways is 617 feet, or an average excess each way by the Trine Line 30Si feet ; equal as above to an increased distance of fifteen miles between Gloucester and London. LONDON AND CHELTENHAM. Feet( From Euston Grove to Tring Summit .... . 348 From Oxford Branch to Andoversford From Cheltenham to Ditto 339 From Oxford Branch to Tring From Paddington Depot to _ Swindon .. From Purton to Sapperton 114 From Gloucester to Chelten bath From Cheltenham to Sap perton . . From Purton to Swindon M. CH. 12 Tunnels 1 76 M. 7 Tunnels 3 . -1 6 809 Aggregate excess 403 feet ; average each way 2011 feet, equal to ten miles increased distance between Cheltenham and London. The Gradients between Oxford and London may be stated generally' to consist of sixteen feet per mile upon the Tring, against four feet per mile upon the Didcot Line. The Gradients between Gloucester and Cheltenham and London, may be stated the same as above (with two inclines of almost unprecedented steepness for Passenger Traffic, being 1 in 30 and 1 in 44) upon the Tring Line, against the same scale of Gradients on the Swindon Line for forty-three miles (with one plane of 1 in 71) and the remainder (76 miles upon the Great Western Railway) not exceeding in any case six feet per mile There is also an inclined Plane of 1 in 82 on the London and Birmingham Line near Euston Grove. _ _ The Report alleges that the Committee of the House of Lords deducted from the estimates of the ,Swindon Line, half the Gloueester Traffic, and the whole of the. Chelten• ham Traffic, and that the Swindon Railway was declared by a resolution of the House of Loids not to be a com peting Railway with the Tring Line. It is denied that any deduction was made by the Lords from the Swindon Traffic, and the minutes of evidence will disprove the assertion. The promoters of that Company did indeed skew, as they were advised to, do, that their whole Traffic from Cheltenham to the Metropolis did not exceed 36,800/. per annum, a sum obviously inadequate to maintain any separate Line, unless combined with other in termediate Traffic ; such as exists between Gloucester and Cheltenham, and Stroud and Cirencester, with the Trade between London and the latter commercial districts, in which the Tring Line can never participate. It was in reference to the admitted fact that no Railway communication for the service of the Manufacturin g Trade of Gloucestershire was offered by the Tring Line, that the Lords would not recognize it as competing in the main ob jects proposed by the Swindon Company, but to urge that, as respects Cheltenham and Gloucester Traffic to London, the Tring Line is not a competing Railway is a manifest absurdity. The merits of that question will be brought before both Houses of the Legislature, and they must judge, first, whe ther there is a public necessity or adequate Traffic for a second Line to London from Cheltenham, and secondly, whether the Tring Line is the best that can be obtained. Abundant evidence will be furnished to establish the con verse of both these propositions, if indeed any should be I I wanting, beyond the positive admissions of the Engineers, employed in the last Session against the Swindon Railway. Many influential landowners on the - Tring Line, have an nounced their determined resistance to the measure, and will not fail to press ;these points to issue in opposition to any compulsory power for taking their property, merely to gratify.the vindictive feelings of a few individuals, against the interests of other existing companies. The circumstances under which this scheme was promoted and is kept alive, shall be thoroughly investigated, and it will then be ascer tained whether the , identical parties who are now urging forward the Tring Railway are not, in fact the most cla inoraus in.vindicating, for their own benefit in the North, the very principle of security for incorporated companies from competition, which they so grossly violate in this case. The Proprietors may indeed passively permit the En gineer and Solicitors to divide the remaining spoil in Par liamentary warfare, but if they rightly understand or pursue their own interests, the transfer of 41. per share into their own pockets would be the unanimous demand of every Sub scriher, in preference to a blind perseverance in that which must infallibly lead to the ultimate loss of all that has been paid. The Earl and Countess of Chesterfield are enjoying the society of a select circle at Busby Park, Derbyshire. A baker's man, at Stutgard, was lately seized with a most singular monomania. He got a fixed idea into his brain that he was destined to remain fixed at one spot, with out stirring, until the snow fell. On the Gth inst. he placed himself; at daybreak,. in front of his master's house, very lightly clad, and stayed in one position till 12 o'clock, when he was removed by force, every argument to convince him of the absurdity of his notion having been tried in vain. He was taken to the hospital, complaining oldie danger he was in from having quitted his post. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. SIR-I beg you to give a place in your columns to the expression of the gratitude of a Polish Refugee, unable to repay in any other manner the benevolence, and kind services of one of your countrymen. I was seized on the 29th of November last with a serious nervous complaint, the most horrid convulsions ; indeed, in a torpor which appeared to be death itself. Mr. Teevan, surgeon, 3, Union-place, Lambeth, at the request of one of my countrymen, came immediately, at four o'clock in the morning, then at six in the same morning, and continued to do so many times, in day time and at night, during my illness, giving me every thing, and persisting in his humane task (although I re quested him to desist, as I could not afford to pay him), till he saw me quite recovered. By inserting this letter in your Paper, you will confer on me the greatest favour I can re ceive ; and I beg you to believe me, with respect and grati tude, Sir, your humble and obedient servant, DIEUDONE BOBIJ DE KERNELIN, Marquis de Grandville. 9, North-street, Lambeth. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. HUNTING APPOINTMENTS. The Duke of Cleveland's Hounds on Wednesday at Mar WOod; Friday, at Story's Whin-11. The Hurworth Hounds on Friday at Neasham-10. The Cleveland Hounds on. Thursday at West Coatliam—hf-p 10. The Sinnington Hounds on Friday at Helmsley-10. The Holderness Fox Hounds on Thursday, at Bainton New Inn ; Saturday, at Frodingham Bridge-11. The Bedale Hounds on Wednesday at Busby Stoop ; Friday, at Bedale; Saturday, at Burton Constable—half-past 10. Mr. Giles's Hounds on Friday at the Kennel-10. The Sandbeck Fox Hounds on Wednesday, at Maltby; Friday, at Aughton Bar—half-past 10. The Badsworth Hounds on Thursday at Marr Village; Saturday, at Streethouse Barlialf-past 10. Mr. Foljambe's Hounds on Wednesday at the Kennel; Friday, at Gringley-on. the-Hill—half-past 10. The Rufford Hounds on Thursday at Bilsthorpe ; Saturday, at Berry Hill—half-past 10. Sir C. Constable's Hounds on Friday at Sproatley Village-11. Mr. Leche's Hounds on Friday at Cardere-10. Sir J. Flower's Harriers on Wednesday at Hill Hailing-11. Mr. Bagge's Harriers on Friday at the Bull Inn, Setch-11. The Knapton Harriers on Friday at Southreps-11. The Essex and Suffolk Hounds on Friday at Gifford's Hall—half ' past 11. Mr. Drake's Hounds on Thursday at Edgecot Village ; Saturday, at Weston Peat Pits—half-past 10. Mr. Moreton's Hounds on Thursday at Coleshill House ; Satur day at Lydiard Plain—hall-past 10. The Berkshire Hounds on 'T hursday at Wittenham Brick Kiln ; Saturday, at Uffington Wood—qr. to 11. Mr. Fane's Harriers on Wednesday at Berrick ; Friday, at Crowell—half-past 10. • Mr. Payne's Hounds on Wednesday at Clipstone Mill; Friday, at Badby Wood; Saturday, at Gibb Wood—qr. to 11. The Duke of Grafton's Hounds on Wednesday at Wolverton Great Ground; Friday, at Wood End Green—half-past 10. The Oakley Hunt on Thursday at Hinwick House ; Saturday, at Pavingham—qr. to 11. Mr. D. Radcliffe's. Hounds on Wednesday at Cheverell's Green ; Friday, at the Hyde—half-past 10. Mr. Dalyell's Hounds on Wednesday at Langley ; Saturday, at Wemsted—half-past 10. The Atherstone Hounds on Thursday at Sutton Park; Saturday, at Seal Wood—quarter to 11. TIM DERRY.-Mr Sadler has sold half his property in Defender o Mr. John Day, who will train him for the Derby and his other engagements next year ; he will run in Mr. Sadler's name. STATE OF TRADE. (From the Leeds Mercury of Saturday, Dec. 17.) THE LEEDS TRADE.—:Although the cloth markets have been dull, as they usually are at this season, there have, nevertheless, been more goods sold during the past week than some weeks ago. Prices continue firm, and the stocks in the hands of the manufacturers are not materially larger than they have generally been at this period of the year. There has also been a little more doing in the warehouses during the week than for some weeks past. HUDDERSFIELD MARKET, DEC. 13.—There has been about the average quantity of business done in the cloth hall. The amount of transactions in wool has been much larger than for several weeks past. BRADFORD MARKET, DEC. 13.—The manufacturers say they have had more lookers to day in the Piece Market, and rather more business has been transacted. The business in the yarn market is considerable ; and there appears to be more confidence in the buyers. The spinners, owing to the state of the wool market, are firm to their prices, and are asking an advance, finding that wool still keeps up, and yarn at its present prices not affording a remuneration, un less more can be obtained ; it is, therefore, expected by some that the price of yarn will improve. We can report no alteration in the wool market this week. For most sorts there has been a fair inquiry, and considerable busi ness has been transacted. Wethers and wether matchings continue scarce. ROCHDALE FLANNEL MARKET, DEC. 18.—The market has been rather dull, and the goods sold have been at prices somewhat lower than those of the previous week. Wool has maintained its price to-day, and, in some cases, a few shillings per pack more have been obtained. At this time of the year the flannel business is generally dull, the winter orders being chiefly executed by the beginning of December. The last year was an exception, the trade being brisk through the whole of the winter. At present, though the stocks on hand are very light, many of the manufacturers are not giving out full work, on account of the many countermanded orders, and the very prevalent expectation that wool will be lower in price. It will yet admit of a considerable reduc tion, for pieces are selling for seven or eight shillings a couple less at the present time than they were six or seven weeks. since. The flannel business is greatly on the increase in this town. There are at present no fewer than three wool len factories building, two of which are nearly ready for machinery ; these will occasion an increased demand for labour, though all hands are now pretty well employed. WAKEFIELD WOOL MARKET, DEC. 16.—We cannot report any alteration in the state of either the long or short wool market this week. In long wool we have few fresh arrivals, in consequence of the inadequate price of hogs, compared with the price held out for by the growers, and wethers continuing as scarce as ever, few sales are passing. LIVERPOOL COTTON-MARKET, DECEMBER 17. We have experienced a good demand for Cotton, and a decided improvement in the tone of the market this week. Surats and Pernams continue to be taken more freely, and an advance of Md. per lb. is readily obtained. Common Egyptian and ordinary. Ame rican are more saleable at improving pr►ces, but new Boweds and Orleans are offered freely at 4d. per lb. decline. Speculators have taken 1,000 bales of American and 500 Surat, and exporters 600 Surat, 80 Bengal, and 150 American. 400 Bahias are declared for auction on Friday next. The imports are 14,540 from the United States, and 715 from Egypt ; total, 15,255. The sales of the week are— d. d. 90 Sea Islands.... 20 to 33 30 Stained ditto... 9 12 Boweds 0 0 9,900 Uplands 7 — ll 1,480 Alabamas 5,160 Orleans 6 —l2 3,900 Surats - 7i 510 Bahias ( 1. ' d. 620 Maranhams 94 to 12; 2,670 Pernams 10h —l3 Madras " 0 - 380 West India 9a 30 Barbadoes Demeraras 0 0 1,230 Egyptians - 104 - 16 Peruvians 60 Carthagenas ... 0— 0 60 Laguayras lO 10% 650 Bengals Total, 26,396 bales. We have had a moderate inquiry . for Cotton to-day. The sales are, 3,500 bales, at yesterday's prices—namely, 400 Egyptians, at 111/d. to 16%d ; 500 Surats, 4 1 / 2 d. to 6:Y a d. ; 500 Pqrnams, 10:? i d. to 11 3 / 4 d. ; 200 Maranhams, 11 1 / 2 d. to 11d. ; 100 Bahias, 11 to 11 1 /d. ; remainder American, VAd. to I Id. ; 500 on spe culation. Bales. Taken on speculation this year Same in 1835 Forwarded to the country unsold thi; year 46,460 Same in 1835 Increase of import this year compared with the same date last year ...... ". 61,179 Increase of stock Increase of quantity taken for consumption Decrease of quantity taken for export Comparative View of the Imports and Exports of Cotton into and from the whole Kingdom, from the Ist of January to the 10th inst., and of the Imports and Exports for the same period las year : Into the Kingdom this year. American South American Bap. 730,602 171,930 West Indies, Demerara, &c Halt Indies Egypt, &c. 7,375 197,166 32,090 .. 1,139,163 Total of all de scr ipti ons ... Same period last year. Bags. American South American West Indies, Demerara, &c.... 7,393 East Indies Egypt, &c. Increase of Imports as compared with same period last year Exports in 1/636. American, 21,820; Brazil, 6,392; East India, 68,973; 103,350 „ West India, 30 ; Other kinds, 20. Total in 1836 Same period last year ... Stock. Dec. hi, 1836 .... Same time, 1835 228,150 205,640 The Countess of Westmoreland, the Countess of Coventry, Lord and Lady Chelsea, the Hon. Edward Pe tre,&e., art passing the winter at Rome. • . - GREAT TOM.—The weight of the hammer which compels our illustrious worthy to g ive forth sonorous music has lately been increased to 1301bs. The consequent de cided increase of strength in his rousing tones causes some of the ancients of our generation to shake their beads knowingly and say, " Ay, this is something like Old Tom!" The weight of the hammer is said even now to be o nly equal to the weight of that with which the York bell is struck, and which is a much smaller affair than ours. — Lincoln Mercury, POOR LAWS FOR IRELAND. GENERAL ASSOCIATION. ( Abridged from the Morning Avertiser.) DUBLIN, FRIDAY EVENING, DEC. 16.—The ITOcting of yesterday took place at two o'clock ; Burrowes Kelly, Esq., in the Chair. Several letters were read, amongst which was one from the Hon. Charles Langdale (brother of Lord Stourton) to Mr. O'Connell, enclosing 25/., and'. re questing the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to propose his _ _ brothers-in-law, Messrs. Constable and Marmaduke. Max well, as Members of the Association. Another letter, also addressed to Mr. O'Connell; by Alexander Galloway, Esq. of • London enelosinc , 1041., being the subseripti,sts of three Aldermen, 55 members of the London Common Council, and 50 other friends of freedom residing h 1 London. Mr. O'CONNELL then said, I rise, Sir, to' make an ob servation or two, with a view to correct an error which appeared in The Sun newspaper, respecting what had fallen from me relative to Mr. Arthur O'Connor. I am made o say in that Mr. Arthur O'Connor was knavish. The mistake was this. I did say, indeed, that Mr. Feargus O'Connor's politics were a little knavish ; and indeed, I must say, that they - are exceeedingly knavish, be cause that is the only suitable term that can be applied to the course which he has taken.—(Hear.) The Times said the other day that he was a thorn in my side ; nowthe 'imes never was more mistaken, for there never was a man to who I am more obliged than to this same Feargus O'Connor. He is making a great stir amongst the Tory Radicals ; I wish him joy of his company, and I wish them joy too of their leader. To my certain knowledge hettas made them violate the law twice ; and I would caution them against doing it a third time. He belongs to the Tory Radicals, and lie cries out against me because I be long to the Whig Radicals, and blames me because I help them. Why, to be sure, I will help them as far as they will go with me ; 'I will push them as far as I can ; and if they will go no farther, then I will go on myself.-- (Hear.) There is another class of Radicals—a third set of miserable, growling, aye an undergrowling set, who are even worse than the Tory Radicals. They do nothing whatever for public principle, but everything against it ; they are violent in their attacks upon the faults of the Whigs, but they say nothing at all about the crimes of the Tories. How different are they from the class to which Mr. Galloway and Sir W. Molesworth belong.—(Hear.) I don't care for Feargus O'Connor or for Mr. Daniel Whittle Harvey. Neither of them are honest politicians. Mr. Har vey is a man of considerable talents ; he is a man of worth, as a private individual ; but in his public political capacity, the only one in which I speak of him, he is not honest. It is true it can be said that n I exerted myself to obtain a place for him. I did ; I exerted myself as much as I could to get him, a place. It is said that my influence with the Mi nistry is great, and yet they refused my request. And what was the consequence ? Mr. Daniel Whittle Harvey be came an ultra-Radical. I respect him in his private life, he has been a persecuted individual ; but I despise him in his public capacity, because he wants political principle. -We can safely do without him. Yes, I leave Mr. Harvey and poor Feargus to the Tories. If there be any one who is not yet quite convinced of the fact that poor Feargus is minus brains, let him only read his pamphlet against me. I never in all my life read such stuff; it is most certainly a beautiful production. This will serve as an advertisement to it.—(Laughter.) But to come back to Mr. Galloway's letter. It is a proof of the sound, wholesome feelings that are springing up in England. It is a proof that they are awake to the cause of Ireland. Whence did those feelings spring ? How were the English awakened ? Why are they with us ? Because they saw thnt we were not idle or apathetic in our own cause—because they saw that we were in earnest. After a few words from Mr. CosTELLo, Mr. O'CONNEL.L rose and said—Sir, I now rise to bring up the report of the Committee, for the purpose of appoint 4, ing pacificatory in the different parishes throughout Ireland, and . l hope it will be adopted by this meeting. Remmy Sheehan, of the Mail, talks of prosecuting us for sedition. If the libel-law were put in force, is there a single Mail that would not afford us two dozen of libels for prosecutions, and, indeed, the Government also ?—( Hear.) But do I suggest to the Government to prosecute the Mail No. I would cease to support any Government which was afraid of the press. I made it a rule when in active professional practice,- never to take a fee from a man who prosecuted for libel unless he agreed the truths of the libel might be given in the defence. I am, therefore, not a friend to pro secution against the presi for libel. So far from encou raging prosecutions, I think any Government despicable that prosecntes the press.—(Hear.) Mr. O'Connell then read resolutions, with regard to the appointment of Paci ficators. Mr. BARRETT seconded the motion, which was carried with loud cheers. Mr. O'CoNNELL then said, I have one word to say upon the question of tithes. I have to congratulate the meet ing that Rebellion Smith, one of the most voracious and ugliest attorneys, has quitted the Court of Exchequer, and has declared he never will file another tithe bill in that Court. He has gone across to the Chancery, and whether he will meet with greater success before the Chancellor, is a question which remains to be tried. It ought not to'be so. Mr. Smith got good reason to leave the Court of Ex- , chequer. He filed a bill against some tithe defaulters at Cork. Mr. Bullin, an intelligent solicitor, took the part of the defendants, and twenty skins :out of the thirty in the bill have been declared " prolix and impertinent." The twenty skins have accordingly been erased, and the parson who employed " Rebellion Smith" will be compelled to pay' . the costs. Mr. FRENCH then read the resolutions of Mr. O'Mal ley, relative to poor-laws. Mr. O'MALLEY then came forward and said, the propo sition I have come here to make is a proposition of conci liation ; and whom could it better become to make it than a minister of peace ? The proposition I have come to make is a' proposition of charity ' • and whom could it better 'becom e t h an a Ch r i st i an pr i est ? It is a proposition, too, for a re-transfer of tithes ; and who could it better be-, come than a priest of the old religion, who may be said to have a sort of de jure interest in them ? But, Sir, apart from the question of the mere modus, or amount of tithe, is there no grievance in that irrepressible re pugnance which a Catholic people must feel to be com pelled to pay a tithe at all to a clergy that has no sort of earthly or heavenly sympathy with them, and whose' only re turn is but too often scorn and contempt ? But over and above all these considerations, the matter of tithes is not . question solely affecting the parsons and the landlords ; it is not true in any sense they may as well be left to the parsons as the landlords, inasmuch as they may with great advan tage be taken from both, and devoted to better purposes than either seem disposed for. But as to the Catholic tithe payers, on the other hand, I respectfully but firmly main" . twin, that however they may be warranted in calling for an abolition of tithes, as a provision for the priesthood of small section of the people, they have clearly no right to de mand or expect such abolition of that assessment as whilst it would withhold it altogether from that sectarian clergy , would reserve the whole amount of it exclusively to them selves. The whole number of persons in this country having anything like a permanent interest in land, whether as o wners or as tenants, is scarcely eighty thousand, and the holders in fee not much above eight thousand ; and yet the 8 millions are expected to look approvingly on while those few thou. - sand are thus abolishing a property which, if there be AO right to abolish it at all after this fashion, ought at all events to he abolished by them all alike ! Tithes are, in fact , not only a property, but the oldest property in the country. They are a lien upon the land of a date anterior to anY _ existing tenure ; and yet it is of such a property some per sons would affect to make a sort of /era naturx animal , which, never having belonged to any one, becomes for the first time the property of him that first knocks it in th e head! Tithes, as a distinct property, must have a distin c,. owner, and the only way in which they can be abolish ed ' is to transfer them from one such owner to another. T he y were first owned by the old church—they were then trans': ferred by Act of Parliament to the new ; and now they are in a state of abeyance between both. Let tithes be abo', lisped wholly as a provision, whether for priest or pars9l: but let them be preserved inviolable as a sacred provistos. for the poor of the united flocks of both. Let the assess ment ment of them, when they came to be changed into the poor., tenth, be made upon more equitable principles. Let fresh or unreclaimed lands be exempted from it altogether for certain number of years. Let the impropriations be par-c_ chased up at .their present value, so that all the lands in r e: country may be subject to one uniform system—(Chee ) —and let the same amount of revenue guaranteed to_ the . tithed clergy by the Bill of last Session be secure_der them still by legislative enactment, to be paid out of r i e. ! consolidated fund, until the profits accruing from the p be sent, or a better management of the Church lands; shall able to cover it. That is my proposition, and I think safe g ree i o e n saying l; e justthpayers e l it o l t ier ent the tithe receivers, and that it promotes the best interests now patty—theren inthteitisileightesrtsdoer of both is obvious enough. There can be no questior! r a i t gh it ts do o e f s of Church p r operty. The Church Temporalities Nu Ch u rch is a kingdom o f anoth er world she has a n y Of the right of Parliament to make such an appr,op_r.i.a.tilloss title to be plac ed proved pretty clearly that it is only inasmuc h as the beyond the legislation of this, If the parliament had right to transfer, as everybody - knows it did, the of h the w a Church property of this country from the Church of g reat body of the people to that of a small section 6 lein , w ould it not be* th e meres t i m pudence to pretend that the con 0 , s ame Parliame n t h as no r i g ht to re-transfer only a portion of fi conquered to that property, no t b ac k aga i n from the Church of the for the ben efit 1C to the Chu rc h o f t h e man y, but fromboth_t of all ?—(clear.) A tithe-rent , p aid b y the _an the conq ueror ' s cree d, is just as much a memortalivifo. tional subj uga ti on —just as much a stigma of national THE SUN, LONDON, MO2CDAY,•DP,CEMBER 19, 1836.