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- that die expression fell from his Lordship in the heat of debate. The Hon. Member observed, that the right' of petitioning for redress of griev ances was one of the most Sacred rirlits of the People, and ought never to be treated with dis respect, or even with levity. • Lord ALTITORP stated that he could vouch for the good order and respect a bility o f th e Meet ing- it question ; but- as he conceived that the .PeLitioners were not likely to influence the de- Fberations of the House any more than those who had preceded them, he did riot take any active part . in recommending the Freeholders to peti tion If-he thought petitiens of the people •were likely to meet attention' itOial - House he shoo hi join in recommending 'them to petition. Slr. MATTER LY, jun. in supporting- the prayer of the petition, took occasion to express his dis approbation of the conduct of Ministers, and said that- though it might be imagined by some that the sweets and emoluments of power were no re isompense for its cares and anxieties*, still he - thOtight that his Majesty's Ministers displayed a'n'auxiety for their offices, which did not by any metres illustrate that opinion. NV ria.t.tm de CRESPIGNY said, he deplored the taunts which h a d l a t e ly b een t hro wn out against County Meetings ' but the reason of thos e P I ; Cl): ' 141 be collected from the circunktance 't:these ineoing . s not sUpporting the Ministers. "Ire deeply 'deplo re d t ha t a system.. should he f.l-c)nted which had for its object the treating t't, people With contempt ; and he hoped to see ;'sterri more congenial to the spirit of the Con ,- sLitetion,` and the best adapted for the general good. The right of petitioning was, he-feared, a solitary remnant Of our liberties ; and he re ,7,retted to find its exerciseshould 'meet with such a reception. •• 'Mr: CHARLES CALVERT said that a Noble Lord, a Member of the other House (Ellenbo, rough), had admitted that he never witnessed a re orderly respectable meeting than that of the of Surrey The freeholders were una mnious in their opinions, with _the exception of •4 1 1: , 0ut half a dozen dissentients; and why the 7 opi - sesersof the freeholders did not attend in great •ilarnbers he ,knew net, unless it was that they were satisfied of the badness of their cause. Mr. Hor.mc SUMNER said, that as he consider . ell- himself alluded to by the last Speaker, he could riot refrain from making a 4 very few Obser . - vations upon the subject before the HouSe. That the Meeting in question was respectable, quiet, -snd orderly, he - did not deny; but the number of k'reehelders'ipresent'he was confident did not ex izved 400; and he should be glad to know wile fher they could be considered as expressing the - bpinien of the county ? He did not interfere with the Meeting, because he saw the requisi tion was worded with temper.. .I.le,raw that the • requisition was to call the Freeholders together, :with the view to consider the propriety of ad dressing the House, praying that no further pro •Ceedings might be taken against the- Queen ; in -order that the attention of Parliament might not he diverted from the distresses of the country.— Ife had then heard that no further proceedings were intended against her Majesty; and with re spect to . the distresses of the country, he thought it unnecessary, if not insulting, tcrexhort the Honk , to do its duty and consider -the distresses ,Of the country. .The Hon. Member complained 'of. an attack made upon him by the Hon. Gentle- Man opposite ,(Mr. Macdonald) at the Meeting in question; That Gentleman had waited until the Meeting had nearly_ dispersed, and had then proposed an implied censure upon him. He (Mr. 'Sumner) -was prepared to defend his political conduct ; and with respect to the motion in ques tion; which at that, Meeting was' proposed by the Hon. Gentleman, he could only observe that Whenoster his constituents adopted a Petition, with the. sentiments of which he had the misfor tune to differ, it-was a relief rather than an of fence to hirrtto be sparedthe duty of presenting if. He trusted all that were present on that oc tasion WOulde : bear Witness that he had met the athick "fairly. ;and 'manfully ; and if the Hon. Gentleman felt: any triumph at the 'result- of the Meeting, he (i lt: Sumner) . en'iried'hith not tha friniriph.--(Hear, hear !) Mr,.M . AcnosAi.o rose to explain the circum stances alluded to by an Hon.-Membe r (Mr. Sumner), and -t o j us tify hi s con d uct at the-Meet ing in question. lle thought it was not too much to assert, that the conduct •of the Representatives of a. County was open to fair criticism at a oourity . lkleeting.—(llear, -hear !)-Th e conduct of the lion. Member opposite, on a late occasion, had expbsed him to the severest reprehension ;. for • 6o one could deny• that ,there was an egre gious want , of generosity in attacking those who were ,pot, able to defend themselves.--(Cheers.) (Mr. Macdonald) had made the motion in question in the lion. Member - s own presence, and ,that rxrotion was Carried,with enthusiasm.— With respect to the time oi.making that motion, it .W 41.5 obvious, that it must afw - ays . - be necessary tit ti.l:4! Mevtings, to Move the .resolutions pre vious to the Consideration of who should present their!. The freeholders were - anxious for an op- Itirtunity.l4 diSi•laim . the s'entiments• of the- lion. Gehtl6F.an, ..and'lie (Mr. 11.) was hapPy iii haV- Ini - ilebti iostrtiMental in •enabling: thern to do so. -- If.4 . 4tlmeiNed!that the; lion. Gentleman had met th& , attltvk.,tdirly and manfulFy iii .& he therefore - 4-ra's , siirpv • lid.thatthat If On. Member should•row stitnti 411 . his - place in that house and cornplain of. it: .• HO' could state with confidence that the conduct of "his Hon, Colleague;' with respect to tileCourityMeeting, had exciteftirimniriaous, dis ap'prObatiori: The . principal "point iii the Peti tion :was': tire prayer for- the restoration of her Majdstrs'ilar'ne to , '":theliitnr,cy ;- and if ever the . serftin*ntS - ( - :, - otinty 'were' expressed with to:rAT4ef-k. it -oh this ilcrasiOn.-- - :Upon a fair the pntilic meetiiias which had been htlid;tlrratighbut the 'country'were four to orfeT" tonderrination eif-- the: 'proceedings- against - the Qize , 4l3. - Thi;peoPle of the country were dissa= fished - athetliaving been degraded before trial. lint-what' was' done with -114:1; since the trial and lit gaittai 2: .4 :-.4f-ad Ministers put her name into the . Lititqyl - ';Tlftrati.ort ssas told that it was a -mit ter ' , Of litefogiiion 'attached to the trown ; • titit• had , tris-M,ajil-stl's4linisters advised it ? M. H. SuNIXER and Mr. MAcDoNALD mutually , Mr. G. BENNET said a feWr. words in explana tion of that part of the Petition.relating to - the restoration of her Majesty's name to 'the Liturgy. lie was the person _who had moved the Resolu tion to that egest at theCounty`Meeting, and it was generally understood that such Was the. ob ject of the Petition. Mr. SCIitLETT corroborated the statement -of the Hon. Member who had just spoken as to its being generally understood that the object of the Petition was to obtain the restoration of the Queen's name to the Liturgy . . He could almost undertake to say, that everyman who had signed the. Petition so understood it—he was sure that every man mho was acquainted with the English language, knowing the contents of the Petition, could not.faii to interpret its intention that way. The.Honourable Member for Surrey (Mr. Holme Sumner.) said it was in Conseituence of his re quest that his own friends had not attended the County Meeting in question. Ire was bound to believe what the Hon. Member stated in that House. But be mp3t,.say, that' he should not, from his expressed sentiments and language at other times, have conceived such to be the case. That his friends had not attended, this Meeting, he could only take to be owing to their entertain ing different sentiments on the subject from those of the lion. Member,. Mr. DENMAN said, that as this ivas a Petition for the restoration of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy, he 'could not let it paSs without a few Observations. With reference to what had already passed in the course of the discussion on this subject, he begged to expreSs his conviction that it was now more necessary than ever that such petitions should be sent to that House. His rea son for thinking this was, that more unjust, ca lumnious, and wicked attacks had been made upon her. Majesty after acquittal, than ever were made even before. If he had been told that after the prosecution which had been carried , on against her Majesty in the other 'House was ended, the prosecutors would be found coming down to the House of Commons, that they could have produced such 'and such evidence if they had chosen, which evidence they did not pro duce, he declared on his own part that he would not have believed it ; and-he was sure the Noble Lord opposite would have been the first to deny the possibility of such conduct being practised. He repeated that he would not have belitved it, even with the full preVious knowledge he had of the prosecutors . , who had before Arial withheld the title of • Queen in speaking of her, and had sent her to be tried by - a tribunal, than which he thought it impossible that any could be formed which must come to a decision with so much p re j u di ce an d so muc h interest. It had been 'charged upon the Attorney- General and his Majesty's Ministers, that having failed in their attempt to convict her Ma• jesty at the bar of the House of Lords, they had bethought themselves of a means of slandering her, by circulating throughout the country, at their own expence, statements relative to the subject which were calculated to have that effect, but which statements.were without foundation. This charge had not yet been denied, and it was necessary they should know if it was to be. When his Learned Friend (Mr. Brougham) was refused to be heard in wishing to making obser= vations which would have been admitted at any honest tribunal, these slanders had been allowed to circulate for three weeks,—a thing unparal leled ity a case of character and reputation. The late proceeding against her Majesty was a Par liamentary proceeding, not complete without go ing• through the two Houses of Parliament ; and therefore it was justly conceived that her Ma- esty would .have her trial. iu, the House of . • Commons. Therefore, although - it might .have been possible for :her, Majesty. to have. pro duced all her evidence to the House of Lords, as the delay would be much shorter in the other House, there existed excellent reasons for with holding some parts of it. It was impossible to foresee that. the matter would not come down to the House of Commons ; but after all was done, in the other House, her - Majesty's prosecutors suddenly tell her. that she is not to have a trial, or an opportunity of vindicating herself. But .even after .it was finished in this manner in the "House of Lords, the Speeches of certain Members of that House, or more correctly speaking, per haps, Pamphlets purporting to be such Speeches, were industriously circulated through the calm- try under Government - franks. That was a charge against his Majesty's Ministers which he gave them an opportunity of denying. The ap prehension of her Majesty's prosecution being re newed. in that House, ought to have been removed- - from the mind of her Majesty and the country at the earliest moment, and as that had• - not „ been done, it was scarcely possible to believe that this prosecution had yet terminated.• If it-were not -intended to go on with i•t wLy was the House deprived Of the at tendance of the • Bight Hon. Member for -Liver- pool ; or why were Ministers deprived of his aid when they stood so lamentably in. need of - it And • why, if there were not some lingering intention of this nature, did the Noble Lord Opposite, when this pacific .declaration was scarcely - out of his mouth, come down- to that Ifonsand speak of her Majesty in such terms arid epithets as could - scarcely be. justifiable und6r any circumstances E - He would': pursue this strain no farther, but he would put a case: He would suppose that under a . change of Ministry, any one o . the ex-Ministers should - be accused, and . a - cliarge - brought against him by the party at the time Wiii?,.4) - Power. He would suppose the offence with which this individual should be charg ed to - have:l3_on committed in Ireland about the time of the'enion Act ; and he wonld suppose the affair itself to be liribery, and that reports on the subject prevailed to a vast extent in Ireland. Suppose, in following up the - charge; these`Minis ters sholld send out a Commission to colle'd evi dence and examine thoroughly into the matter, and follow thewhOle up by a Bill of Pains and Penalties..: If the Bill of Pains and Penalties We - ri . iqei - Nliat it pledged the House of Lords, or the whble of the supporters of - the said Ministry to curry it Ihrofigh—and if when in the House of Lords, it had been abandoned by its abashed prosecutors, what would they say if in the House of Cbmmons the y Minister was to say—Oh ! our case was confined within certain limits—we could have producod eighty witnesses of the fact if We had chosen ? • Was it possible„he asked, that the House of Commons could- sit by and endure it ? Was it possible that' - they could sit by and hear their Queen so treated without coming forward to shield her. from-it and. had he not dßsCrilied the conduct of the Noble Lord ? He (Mr. Den man) had never any doubt, of the illegality of the. omission of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy, and had never lost an opportunity of expressing his opinion to that effect. The Queen was now accused of having .done what she had all along done—demanded- her just rights. All he had to say on the general subject was, that if, when the Noble Lord came down to . that House with his money in one hand., and his reputed charges in the other, her Majesty had accepted his .money, she would have shewn herself unworthy of that generous devotion to her cause which the whole people of England had so strongly manifested, and which they would continue to show in spite ofall the attempts that might be made to restrain them. Lord CASTLEREAG H did not rise for the pur pose of making a reply to the speech of the Hon. Member, which he did not 'think, in most,of its parts, a proper one for him to make. It was not that be was indisposed to answer the Hon. and Learned .Gentlem an , b u t h e did no t see that be was obliged to follow every thin.' that the Learn ed Gentleman chose to say in the performance of his professional duty when he was a little out of temper. He was sure that he (Lord Castlereagh) had no wish to retrain those sorts of battles in Parliament which. Hon. Members had already fought over in their respective counties—and he had not seen one of the performers concerned at the Surrey Meeting, absent from the discussion that night. He thought much time might be saved by refraining from this practice ; but the discretion of doing so must be left to the taste and good judgment of Honourable Members. It really was a most whimsical observation of the Hon.. anc Learned Gentleman, by way of excuse, for branching into every topic that entered his imagination, that a prayer for the restoration of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy was found in the Petition from Surrey.. And it was equally strange and whimsical that he could find no other opportunity of answering every topic in his (Lord Castlereagh's) Speech the_ other night. Although, however, it - .vas only the Learned Gentleman's wish. to confine himself to the point of the Litur gy, he supposed he had his brief in his hand which directed him as to the points he was to touch upon, and , what he was to, say on them. Mr. DEN3LIN here interrupted the Noble Lord on a point of order.. Ile appealed to the Chair whether he was t o s u b m it t o suc h misrepresenta tion. He had spoken as a Member of Parlia ment, and as such was entitled to credit for_the sincerity of his sentiments. _Lord CA ST,LER EA,GII rose, but cries of "Chair," ' from the Opposition, induced him to sit doWn. The SPEAKER stated, that if the ]louse under stood, from the mode in which the Noble Lord made his observations, that they.amounted to direct personal imputation, he • could have no difficulty in saying that such conduct was highly disorderly. But he begged the house to consider the. situation he was in, and whether it Would tend to any usefulness, if in the course of the debate he, as Speaker, were to take upon himself to interrupt Honourable Members in consequence of anything they might , say. In stating thi s , h e . cou ld tAtlAufg the House, ; that with respect to the passage alluded to on 1 the preSent occasion, he never, bad heard any passage, according to.his notions, more free from a charge of calumny or direct personal disresped Lord CASTLEREAGH declared, that so far fron meaning to be disorderly or disrespectful in wha he bad said, he was rather desirous of diminish. ing the responsibility of all that he said. Him self and his Hon. and Learned friend (Mr. Brougham) often said one thing one day - , and contradicted it the next ; he thought it but fair and , reasonable to conclude that he . spoke in the character of an Advocate one night, and as , a Member of Parliament the next. It ap peared, however, that to-night -he was .to be regarded as .speaking in -,the character of a Member of Parliameht. The. lion. and ,Learned Gentleman complained that there should be any discussions or publications with reference to the Queen's trial now. passed... This .he bad a right to expect if the question were set at rest•on both sides. But what was going on in the country ? I► what way had lion. Gents on the other side meaned themselveq at the Surrey meeting the other day ? What invectives did they not indulge in there against Ministers and the Milan Commission ? It was too much for the Hon. and, Learned Gentle- man to suppose that he was to have free-war ren and free-chase. after Ministers—to have all the battle . on their own side, and Ministers were to have no pis ilege in reply. With respect to the lion. and Learned Gentleman's disappro bation of the publications he had dwelt must say that he did not think that was very rea sonable either, when her Majesty was sanctioning and circulating through herown immediate agency •sentune..nts - so base, that the public press did not present a parallel. And if, 'in the post bag of some country village was found a letter, under a Government frank, was his Majesty's_ Govern- anent to be called on to account for it. On this head he must, at the same time, say, that the most. unfounded represeutations had been made. As to the eighty witnesses - which the Learned Gentleman had spoken of, he begged to remark that he had replied to his Learned Friend's (Mr. Brougham's) Speech, and not to any thi►►g that he had said. Ills Learned Friend had made his speech at that late hour that it was impossible to answer the misrepresentations it contained. But they were not on that account to be set down as admitted by him (Lord Castlereagh). The real state of the case was, that it had never been as- serted that there were eighty witnesses ke . pt back. It would. be in the re( of ection of the House,that when the first witnesses carne over they were most brutally attacked ; and that when it got air 'over tfie rater rt waslhe weans of deterring others . , from Coming. The. assertion ,' therefore, was, iii Substance, that BO witnesses -hid been examined before ,the Milan Commission, who. declared them , selves,ready and. 'willing to come and swear to certain facts. when called on. - These witnesses when called on would not obey the call, having heard of the affair at Dover. Government had not laid aside these witn:essesthey wished to bring them forward, but w unable to dolllisi f r the retson heltad St a t e d, '77e'hOped' lie .haril"-n w said enou g h on th e su bj ec t to sat i sf y the House and the Hon. and Learned_ Gentleman. He noW gave that Hon. and Learned Gentleman notice, as' he-hail done- on a former night, as ve/las-to all those who called themselves friends to the Queen, although they were only pursuing their own ob jects in doing so, and making her an. instrument for party 'purposes, that as long as the system which now prevailed of inflaming and - misleading the public mind was kept.up, no, restraint what . - ever should prevent him from stating what he be lieved to be the truth to the Irouse.--(Cheers.) Mr. DENmAN explained. Mr. Hr; ME thought the Noble Lord ought not to. have made assertions about the Queen's being instrumental- in the publication of sedition, with. out producing his authorities. Mr. Alderman Wool), in allusion to what had fallen from the lIOn. Member for SUrrey the other night, stated thatnotwithstandingth e Hon. Member had been among - his-Constituents l a t e l y , lie had n o t been able to lind one who had a bill against. her Majesty. Some one had asked if people ,in Surrey paid their bills regularly ; but this had not been answered. If the Hon. Mem ber for Surrey or for Somerset would bring new proof of one shilling having ever been paid by her Majesty towards defraying the expenses of any of the Addresses -that had been sent up to her, he would undertake to pay them 1001. for every shilling so proved to have been paid.--(Laughter.) —With respect to what the Noble Lord had said of her Majesty's calling the people of this country her people, he had examined the original manuscript, by which he found that there was no such expression in the answer in question,- but much the reverse. It was there stated the people. He called upon the House to notice this conduct' in the Minister of the Crown, who came down there and wished to make the House believe a thing on the testimony of a book he - held- in hiS hand, which was directly the reverse of the fact. As for the brutal attack - talked of by the Noble Lord at Dover, it was nothing-more than two 'or three old women, laughing at the Italian wretches who had landed. there:(Laughter.):—The fact, lie asserted, was so. While 'these wretched pack ages were being examined at the Custom House, two or three old women got together and scoffed at them, and said—" Get home again'," in a gruff voice ; and this was enough to take them Over to Rolland for protection. Mr. HusKissoN observed, witlrreference to the worthy Alderman's explanation, that the error of the press he alluded to in the Queen's answer had not only occurred in the pamphlet he refer red.to, but it had appeared so also in all the newspapers. As at Dover and 'at Canterbury there was; he believed, no one with her Majesty besides the worthy Alderman, capable of the task of composing this answer, it might have been as well if he had not left the country for so many months in error on the subject. He was not,one who thought that , much importance was to be at tached to these answers. - He could not persuade himself that her Majesty 'amused herself with reading- over all the answers made, in her name. He thought th a t th e wor th y - A lderman, and the lion. Member for Aberdeen, who had a taste for this kind of latent sedition, most probably em ployed 'themselves in that way, as much as they had in participating in and 'directing the numer ous' pilgrimages that had been made to Branden burgh, in search of " all that is pure in our holy religion, in virtue ; piety, and the purest parts of one Constitution." - After a few wordS from Mr. Alderman Woon, the Petition was read and ordered to be- printed. Mr. PELITAM presented a similar Petition from Spolden.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. Hump presented a similar Petition from Perth. He took that opportunity to repel with scorn and contempt the insinuation of the Com missioner of the Woods and Forests (Mc.!Hus kisson), that he was fond of latent sedition. If his Majesty's Ministers thought the Queen guilty of sedition, he did not give them credit for having the charity not to briip , forward a charge against her. The Hon. - Member then read from a copy of the original manuscript of her Majesty's answer to the Canterbury Address, which spoke of " his Majesty's subjects" and the benefits she had received from them. • This, he said, was a complete recognition on the part of her Ma jesty of the relatiOnship in which she stood to wards the people of this country. Mr. II tsiitssoN explained, and the Petition was then read and ordered to be printed. KENT PETITION. Mr. HONEYWOOD - presented a Petition from the Gentry, Clergy, Fresholders,' and Inhabi tants or the 'County of Kent. With respect to this Petition, he had to state to the House that the MO Sheriff of the County, notwithstanding the requisition was signed by a great number of the most respectable inhabitants of the County, had" refused to convene a Meeting of the County. —The 'County Meeting, - therefore, •had been obliged to be held in the Town Hall of Maid stone, and in the Nisi Prius Court. He-believed it was the first time in "the memory of man that a Meeting of that County had not been held in the open air. ;It was, therefore, not so numerous as it might littVe been, the Court in question only holding between 6 and 700 persons. The Meet ing, however, such as it was, was most unani mouS; one hand only being •held up against the Resolutions, and that was by a Half-pay Lieute nant of the waggon train. He moved that the Petition be brought up. Sir E. KNATorntmt. begged -to offer a few words on the subject of the Petition. He felt it necessary, in -: viilicpAion of the conduct of the High Sheriff, to state that that Officer's reason for not convening the Meeting in question ,was, as he then'expressed it, because he did not be lieve the object of the Meeting 'to be in unison with the `sentiments of the County in general; and he mast Say,Thht in this opinion be concurred, and there was abundant proof of The justice of it. AMongst those who signed the:Requisition, only five Magistrates out of two hundred were found. The Meeting was indeed meant •to be exclusively of hisilon. Colleague (Mr. Honey wood) and friends. Mr. lioNEywoon ox7l.ine‘d2ii He said that amongst the RequiSitimtts NeriNve Peei , s, of the 'Realm, several Viscounts, anal otheri of great rank and considerAion in the county. Sir R.Wir.som avowed himself to have been one of the Requisitionists alluded to'. The High Sheriff had only, to look to the number ; and respectability of the signatures, without any re ference to the sentiments of the 'county; This was one more instance of the impolicy of the Noble Lord's. Bill on this subject. - Dr. Lt.r.snENGToN thought that a more complete exemplification of the irnpolicy of the Noble. Lord's Bill had hardly ever been presented be fore the present occasion. It was now; come to that pass, that when a requisition signed by four or five Peers of the realm, and:seVeral other per sons holding rank in' the county, was presented to a High Sheriff, it was refused' to be Complied. with under the enactments of this 'Act of Pa,di a ... inept. This was not at all to be wondered at, when it was considered • who the Sheriffs were. They were -nominated' by the Crown, 'and 'the Magistrates were under the 'same nomination: The Lord Lieutenant appointertlltem, - arrd it fre quently happened that they elected those who agreed with them in political opinion. The systent now acted upon came to this, that you cannot:haves: a County Meeting, unless you find live 3ragis'4 trates holding the' same political-opinions. with yourself. .The Sheriff now. by his single fiat, took upon himself t o d eterm i ne w h ether or not a Coubty Meeting should be held _or not. He would say the Sheriff had no right. to take the object of the Meeting into his consideration: be , fore he complied .with the call of any set of .re quisitionists. He regarded that of which hecorn plained as the consequence of the Noble-Lnrd's Bill, which had materially abridged the'ancient and essential right of petitioning. To what these measures might ultithately fOrce the people . of England he would not say ; but if any thing could- force them to disorderly courses, he thought it was likely to be the loss of those right's Whichhad been unjustly and tyrannically taken from them.. Mr. R;MA.uTxX rose to stnooth the front oldie Learned Doctor. lle-wisbed to ask the Learr3ed Doctor, or any other person; whether . ,._previOsfy' to'the passing of the Act of last Session, it w.a.s.iti. the power of any number of - Requisitioniiti. to . comp e l u Sheriff to call a County Meeting.- , - (Hear, hear !)-----The Sheriff could reftr4e be fore as he could now ; so he (Mr. Martin) coild not understand what mischief had , been &me-0 . 10- the Bill (tithe Noble Lord. SIR R. WILSON—As an answer-vas called for 31r. R. 'MARTIN-No; Sir It WILSON would giVe an answer to the grestion whicft had been put. }Were. the passed. requi.iitionists w!leii re- ' fused by the . Sherill; could assemble by themselves ; this Ins now prevented. . Sir E. KNArcinver.i. and Mr. ROXErivOOD mtitnally es incu. . . Mr. BURRELL, in reply to the observations of the Learned.. Doctor, would remark that the Lord Lieutenants of Comities Were men of high character, and amonfithem'were fame highly respected characters, whn held the seine opinions with the tier t/ernen:-. on the opposite- gi4e of the House, sO, it to be supposed that the Crown •coald use undue influence with theru?• Ile denied that the Magistracy of England were so directly: under the influence of the Crown. as-the Learned Doctor seemed to believe, and he should think theta degebded if they were- He believed the Magistraev of this county to be the most inde pendent in th e whole world. Some from a Mistaken- sense of duty might have interfered improperly, but - he denied that they merited the character which had been given of them. *.• Sir R. HERON agreed that 'litany of the Lord LieUtenanti of Counties. were among the most virtuous, honourable, and in dependent characters in the kingdom ; but it die, sometimes happen, that when thth virttunis, honest, and independent per sons discharged their • duty:independently; they were removed from their Lieutenancies; 'arid degraded by-Mini4teN, hoWevei such attempts at degradation-might raise them in the estimation' fo the public. . . Mr. F. PALMER chnsidewd the 'Magistrates to be ar. pointed from political motives:'- Living on the borders of his County he bad wish e d t o b e p l ace d i n t h e C omm i s sion, but his applications had for • three . y: ars beeri iinktecest4M:-. His priVate character would bear the sea - ?rest scrutiny, and he knew not to what to ascribe the felerc of his repeated applications, if not to his political opinion. Mr. BURRELL explained.. Mr. BENNET (of Wiltshire), knew the name of the Gentlemen was :not in the Commission'.,He had been toW . * 1 by the Clerk of the Peace. - Why it was not there he did !loc . know. Lord PALMERSTON could take upon hithself to'saY.d l .l a more honourable character could net be named than the•Larl , Lieutenant of the County of.Wittshire - • • . LUSH ING TON explanatiorr, said; he had - remarke4 that it had frequently - happened, as it would -happen axairt , that a Lord Lieutenant .would appoint such Magistrates-as tcu curred With him in politics. To this positiOn he adhered ;' he neptired the assertion that he had stated the Whole Magistraty oflhe country to he untlei die influence of the Crown. Lord CASTLEREAGH remarked, that there were more than two hundred Magistrates in the coun ty o f Kent. All could not be unite': the influence of the Crown, and he would leave it to the Honourable Gentlenian. to say, whether it would be prudent that a Meeting should by held,--when live Magistrates out of two hundred- - could not be found 't! , i sanction it. • . Sir E. KNATCHMILL explained. • • • - The petition was orderer] to be printed. - Mr. S. RICE moved that 'theretshould be laid'beforc the House returns of all the - sums,presetitcd within the laSt tCri years to each of the Grand Juries of Limerick-..copies. of - ac counts of the late Treasurer, and returns of the sums issued out of the Consolidated Fund; to the cotuity of Limerick ; with ac counts of the repayments made, and . of - any -balance . • BOSSTNE ELECTION. Mr. ELLIS presented'a Petition •frforii•Mr. James `Webster, who had petitioned.against the return for the Borough of Bos sing. The Petitioner having become a bankrupt, wished W withdraw hi s P e titi o n. He (Mr. Elli s ) prOpoed to examino person then inlattendance, to prove the , bankruptcy,. and than to move that the order for taking the Petition into consideration should be discharged. • The. Petition having been read, n Mr. Gilbert Forrester was called to the,har. fle proved the bankruptoy•of Mr. WebWr , and withdrew. Mr. IMLIS then Moved that. Mr. James Webster Shottid have permission to withthatir his Petition. . Aftera few worthi from Mr. A. BARING ) Mr. LoctalAß T ; Mr. AnEacßo um:, an d t h e S PEAKER, the motion was a greett to; and the Order of the Day'for taking the-Petition into con sideration was discharged accordingly. - . BIRMINGHAM PETMON, Mr. DUGDAJA: presented - a Petition from *Ole Merchants, Manufacturers, :and Traders of the town of Birmingham, Whith had. been voted in Angust' last, but not presented before in conse quence of the frequent adjournments of the :House. The .Petitioners had presented a Peti tion on the 12th - of May last, , praying for an in quiry into the existing distress, and into the-most effectual means of relieving it. -No measure bad been adopted for that purpose, with the excep tion of the appointment of -a Committee to in- • quire into the state of-.our foreign trade, which the Petitioners consikreti of minor -importance,