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Csr hi, 4 Y r ' s. ;he Se 9, Liss ,r ae 0 31 '2, 1 g vvas ,er r -cl' a li t e esc b ' Slib s " ) e a e walk t horo'ot [law , A t !sdaY) a togi j o• .bee ot 16 - 0 1 or 9 0C1 • 50 1 • pr 1 , 0 ge' s sc r , 0% , D ec.! st et ie Pa t he 0 to 4 , , e ber ie OVERLAND MAIL INDIA AND CHINA. The following telegraphic dispatch was received by t he French Government on Monday : "MARSEILLES, JUNE 1, lIALE-PAST 7 P.M. T IIE F " MALTA, MAY 29, MID DAY. RENCH CONSUL AT MALTA TO TI IE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS. " The ne A's from India and China is dated -the let of flay and the 10th of March. The only fact it contains wirth noticing is the murder of Suchat Singh, ' 4ll O had come to Lahore on the invitation of Lis uncle ira Singh, and at the request of the seditious troops. " A British vessel carrying opium had been cap tured by the Chinese, and delivered up to the autho "ties of tiong-K ong, and condemned to a fine. P " The Oris papers of yesterday state that the Em peror of Morocco was said to have declared the holy iv at against the French, and to menace the limits of E e Fr enc h possessions in Africa. The son of the Peror was at the head of the troops. 'those journals are filled with expressions of dis pleasure at the visit of his Imperial Majesty the Em peror Nicholas to .her Majesty Queen Victoria. (Prom a Second Edition of the Times.) The Indian Mail of the Ist of May does not contain a ny very remarkable intelligence. The dissatisfaction In ch pre va il ed at the departure of the April Mail, Illl2(tirast th e nat i ve troops had ceased. The Supreme n ment had, by the adoption of judicious, and at e same Pov time severe, measures, brought the Se fa'," s " o a full sense of duty. One regiment, th e Bengal Bengal Regiment, was disbanded in i•le Most im ressive manner. The Commander whPo was allowed a carte blanche ( i e t t he occasion, use d hi s p owers w i t h c o nside r able fer-ri:V ' ; explanations took place with the men of dif tte°rPs who after a proper understanding returned - their duty. The regiments, as ordered, proceeded Sinde without any hesitation.' The disbanding of th d - 34 th Regiment was a painful sight. The men mingled alw aYa been quiet and reaceable, but they had had e°e themselves with the mutineers of oth ,),° er r P s ' and they were ordered to be paid up and dis ci:l*M from the service. They seemed to feel their ka g nd r e Oee most acutely. Strong comments have been ° l l the non-punishment of some of the other a erh - r- gitnents who appeared to have gained their —ands fer batta and allowances ere they con ,-ell,ted to go to Sinde. The 6th Irregular Ca tbaetrY, 'which behaved so nobly in resisting all att empts to mutiny, has had considerable ad -4g." conferred on it by the Governor ar The mutinous spirit of those five regiments i)t- " 4.• ad the e ff ect o f ca lli ng f ort h t h e most decided ta:. s of a contrary disposition from the 27th Bengal an,glaient, and from the Bundelkund Legion, both which lad l a ll s t . e ere , ' to proceed instantly to the banks of the 4 1 1 (3 11 : regiments that have gone to Northern of, are likely to find employment, in consequence b y revolt brought about to the north of Shikarpore ti t ,,, e hief named Bejee Khan, who, having placed - f at the head of some cavalry, attempted a m P l under the country. A party of horse, hi m I ' t he com man d o f Capt a in Taite, was sent to take sail P r isoner ; b u t h e repuls e d them, and cut down 10 taken ° unclad 20 of the British troops. This event had . ; Ph'ee near Poolajee, and had awakened all the d er. .,,' e s of Sir C. Napier, who was determined to put te *- t he disturbance in the bud. There was to be a 1 1:d a al assembly in May of the Beloochee chiefs at them :shad, wh en a con f erence was t o t a k e pl ace b e t wee n eal ate a a n d the Gov e rnor of Sinde. This measure is cal have " to remove any dissatisfactionwhich may still ' alated i n t h at country . 1. 41i eat had se t in there with Bret force, but the " Eta • asalth Of the troops did not appear to suffer. Kurrachee Proving f as t, an d b u ildi ngs wer e r i s i n g a round it. oa'": a ttons were adopted fur levying 3f per cent. duty 4 00 € Is landed there. C. effort is made by certain parties to i a rr ll i ( t ) a m, t e e d S t i o r 1 4 , 4 ° Pier by criticism and censure. He is - tsia.gallant soldier, but his acts as Governor and ad tasilta6trator are commented on by his opponents with ta D (3° Y. It is necessary to explain that fact in order 1 1; i t 'Le i. n his character in a fair light before England. He tad - L a .'en the command as Colonel of the 22d Regiment, a,t,','s address to the regiment on that occasion is , L aY of both. iaash!llews from the Punjaub represents that country ti e -I,"isturbed a state as ever. Another member of t4..l:gra family has fallen the victim of his own ka, o , ° Runjeet Singh's reputed sons, named Cash aea'° Peshora, had raised a party and endett rted to appose the rule of Heera, Singh - and his 1411 : e r t ki ng. They stationed themselves at Sealkote, iiera eina r a t-ess about eighty miles narth of Lahore. them* sent troops to attack them, but they defended e d 14 ) n eh 'es with bravery. Amongst the chiefs disposed 43'PPort their cause was the uncle of Heera Singh , a rm e Si ngs, a brave but rash soldier. The tad °f Lahore, who now hold the reins of power, repo- I ° are ruled by Shere Singh, because he has the / a }, 4l °f the Treasury, invited Sachet Singh to come c am -° : r e, and promised to put him at their head. He 4::',''th about 500 followers, and took up a position. l t ° in great alarm, made all sorts of promises in gh ar my, and led them to attack his uncle. Suchet them mad e promises also, but the army knew who had , 441 e3a and a dh ere d to Heera. Sachet attempted tpt 4tr ea ,. I with his small band, got into a Fa t 4 ilu ese, and fortified it. Heera caused 151 trty tilill 'ry to play upon it, and soon forced the v ita c ome out. They attacked their assailants 10tit attached adherents were slain. Ileera is de ies•:aa' w eeping ov e r his uncle's body, and caused ,•.;" a our to b e p a id t o the remains. The only bro katC"leer's father,Dhvan Singh, is Goolab, who is at it t° "gbly indignant at t •h e death of his brother, Presumed he will be more cautious in his pr ,,,- 11 1: 8 * Th e f a ll o f S ac h e t was a d e athblow to the Ci t s a: f , t he pretenders at Sealkote ; they fled, and 'tisans dispersed. it°°Pata.ingh is master at Lahore as long as the te"" receive from him double the pay they th e e i s pesreeseseisve from old Runjeet, will allow him, sie , , d _o a f talents, but he is not a favourite with ltf ra,,,,tst 1 1411. 4 ' 1 _1, 'Mlles, many of whom are intriguing - IC% wh . The only support he possesses is in the "1, 1'4 le „, 11 i ° lik the Prwtorian tamperban in other times. kL-113',R4:11,-aseationc7d that to the ing of certain '4lllg4t the spirit of mutiny which P was excited 4 itt lej th e Briti s h sepoys on the banks of the . 11 `val t i s b een att r ib u t e d. Th e Affghans appear to tliS l ig the (,f a acts of Ileera Singh, as if in expec bl°°dy termination to his life. The noto 4,ti''ikaa — az lih an was at Jellala b a d , watc hi ng and th e Wi th the the Mahommedans in Peshawar, and la, to were b ank of the Indus. The British residents ta P°n gli Na lL as °i t a revolution in Lahore. Lord Ellen -3 ere to go for some time to Allahabad. In -"tat `` e in full operation at Gwalior, where the aa'Ay a Polar eh os P en to g overn the country during the , t ' ° P °' the young Raja, Jyajee Sindeah, was of B aa 3 - i' a nd it w as even sa id t h a t pl o t s wer e laid -'4tl nte ts, 4 f Of him. This is the ordinary course do w Cups an Indian Court, where the detection sahlsipiracy h as mere l y t h e e ff ect o f putt i ng t;tsldellt, Of e intriguers ' for the benefit of others. The t ho_ l4 o' ll Ellenborough in the neighbourhood a ae era trig will h ave the effect of neutralizing many of Itcatlia at Ca le Lordship had remained for some at, 'll4 .era", s alo utta, wh ere h e h a d organ i ze d var i ous i ma t * ` 4 4 1 , 1 . 1 .° or the ra ong them may be specified, besides the Th' t taryMadras transit duties, the o r ganiz at ion „b . ." new s f t ee, from w hi c h great b ene fi t was expected, W as rc'til China extends to the 10th of March. t q n , e ghai ) o.7dj'ed wi t h opium on board in the port of delia:l4entlyl vent down to Vi c tori a , w h ere s h e was sa N s• This b erated on payment o f a fi ne o f 500 Qa ti t l aY a , seizure appears to have been brought ,Iltha'orr!tish merchant, who compelled both the tirof the ties :ties and the British Consul to take official tr a ,Z W . i. ° lat e e being on board. Several chests were A ttie gat e a fr gli and others injured. This step has hg i tit r,estion of the treaty and of the opium Ye t ,,, 4 e , dea th et,q,..soussion. nai ater 6tr William Casement, after nearly fifty th e cY th e r c uPte d service in India, had produced a )4411ginaPPoietilie"fleil at Cal cu t ta , w hi c h was filled tip 44 t. g th e th t it of Mr. Millett. The cholera was 54 heree Presidenciesllth, but not to any great ex " 4 : 2 d Madras regiments had suffered ll ost- a ft ee < l4O a the exp res s r rangements through India had 11 ° Pe : t ° Na i . from Bombay, with the news from eit tier s before l adras four hours and Calcutta forty la,al_ of th ose 'he Hiadostan steamer had arrived at la ttsi : were statio ned Pt There seems no doubt, if efficient ° l ea s . W csidd a ers f rom Suez to Bombay, that the lnr th , t on all occasions in the reat port das t ° a tli° r Pnrp eg t „ Indi an nav • steamers bein g g destined Pee tk - , ° l I vas I ndi an not st3fficiertoyer The Din- T he t ti l l st art f a e r . stee_kri- , Calcutta P , but was still ex •aaft,y. `Xt W Us to tnEtil in May. "ave Bombay on the 20th of The newspapers give an account of the attempt to put ;It-tr. - It a ;pied of pir4tes in the north of Sumatra. (From a Correspondent of the Chronicle.) BOMBAY, M 1, 1844. The Pluto steamer, which arrived this morning from Kurrachee, brings news of an unpleasant nature from Sinde. Tho Beloochees had been ravishing the country around Shikarpore, had approached within six miles of our cantonments, burnt several large villages within our sight, and carried off 1,100 head of cattle and fi.ty mules. They w ere followed by Lieutenant Fitzgerald, who, in the course of the pursuit, was attacked by Doomie Murrees, and compelled to retire with a loss, it is sail, of twenty killed and as many wounded. The successful leader of the assailants is said to have been Beja Kam, a Doom kik celebrated for his freebooting exploits in 1840. He was offered by Government at that time 3,000 rupees a month to leave off his thieving practices, and protect the road betwixt Shikarpore and Dadoor. He afterwards surrendered himself, upon a pledge being given him that his life would be spared, and was dotained for a time as a prisoner at Sukkur. His detention was considered a breach of faith on our part, and though he was after wards relieved, his clansmen vowed vengeance against us, and this is in obligation they rarely faileato carry into effect. lam as yet without particulars of this unfortu nate affair. So much us I have stated is universally believed in. Two troops of irregular horse, with Captain Foster's artillery, were immediately pushed on from Sukkur, while the 9th Native Infantry, pre viously under orders to proceed to Ferozepore, were ; commanded to hold themselves in readiness to ' push on to Shikarpore at a moment's notice. The present reverses took place near Poolagse. close by the scenes of Clark and Clibborn's disasters in May, and Au gust, 1840. The system these warriors invariably 'pur sue is to dash down upon us from the mountains in the hot season, and so draw us into the desert, where the quickness of their horses enables them to escape from us. I tremble at the thought of another hot wea ther campaign of however limited extent or dura tion. It was thus our mishaps begun in 1840, which terminated in the siege of Caubul. We taught the enemy to defeat us on a small scale, till they learned to put in practice against us the bloody instruction we had given them on the largest. I do not know whether or not this will do anything to en lighten yen as to the geography of the western frontier of young Egypt. You all seem to be content to assume that our boundary has actually been improved, and then proceed to argue on the illegitimacy of the means resorted to for its improvement. If you turn to the map you will find that Shikarpore, Larkhana, Kolra, Tatta, &e., are on the western bank of the Indus, with our own strong posts in our rear; those of the enemy in our front. Should the Murrees manage to sack one or two of these posts, the people at home may discover that, at least in a military point of view, it is anything but an expedient arrangement. The editor of the Naral and Military Magazine I observe, recommends to station posts on the Beloochee hills ; I thought Khan Kelat and Quetta had cured you of this nonsense ; a map of Belooehistan would show you that the hills that skirt the Indus extend for 500 miles in the direction of Persia, resting on an unexplored country, about the de bouchure of the Heiman. You must double the Indian army before you can supply this without posts. A great noise will doubtless be made about the collec tion of 130,3001. of revenue, reported to have taken place at Hyderabad and Kurrachee. It must be kept in view that this has to meet an expenditure of a million awl a quarter on troops alone. The mutiny amongst the Bengal regiment o dered for Sinde has, for the present, been subdued. The men have been frightened by the dis bandonmeat of the 34th N. 1., one of the least offending of the mutinous corps, and the publication of a juggling " ge neral order," which is interpreted one way by the soldiers and another by the Government. The men believe that everything which they desired has been conceded to them ; whereas, Government, in reality, intends to give them no more than what they previously pos sessed. The 64th, in which mutiny first made its ap pearance, having afterwards volunteered its services, ar rived at Sukkur on the 9th of April, and it is said broke out into mutiny afresh so soon as they discovered the trick that had been put upon them. Should this prove true, it will be pleasant to have one regiment disaffected and two others nearly devoid of officers, in presence of a fierce, vindictive, and indefatigable enemy. The facts above given are chiefly de rived from Kurrachee letters. At Sukkur they are all Beugallees, and have but little correspondence with us in Bombay. Sir Charles Napier left Kurrachee on the 2d and arrived at Hyderabad on the 7th April; and after re viewing troops, inspecting cantonments, and flying about everywhere, returned again to the sea-coast on the'l7th. The building of a Government house has been com menced at Kurrachee, and here the general treasury, medical stores, and general head-quarter establishments, have been sent. It is believed that Lord Ellen borough will find himself compelled to rescind the order that Sinde should be occupied by Bengal troops alone, and once more commit the charge of the line of the Indus to the Bombay army. An absurd sys tem of mystery-mongering has obtained since the news papers become somewhat free in their strictures on the recent conquest. A register is kept at all the post offices both of the addresses of letters and the mimes of the party who send them ; and these are very unscrupulously used for the detection of news paper correspondents. It is curious how the General forgets how easily this may be evaded. It is said that he, when he used to write for the ***, sent his letters to his wife, Lady Napier forwarding them not to the editor, but to a friend high in the staff: The Aineers of Sinde have been sent round from Bombay to Calcutta ; while here they were treated with the utmost kindness and attention by the Governor, Sir George Arthur. G walior wears a somewhat threatening aspect. Lord Ellenborough appears to be equally unfortu nate in his policy, either in going tco far, or not far enough. Sinde is an example of the first, *than coun try of the second of these. The regency which we have set up in G‘,salior has become Li the last degree unpopu lar. Earn Pas Phalkea, our protege, is now suspected of having been the author of the disturbances which occasioned our advance. Determined to be revenged on his opponents he betook himself to the plan not unfrequently resorted to in Europe in the 15th century, of bringing in a foreign foe to upset the indepen dence of his country for the sake of overwhelming a rival party. His confederates doubt, his brother chiefs despise, and his victims detest, a traitor such as this set over them by the force of foreign bearance. The Gwalior contingent, powerful as it is, would do little against a general rising of the Maarattas ; and should the Government we have set up be overturned, we have nothing for it but the commencement of a new war, and the ultimate appro priation of the country altogether. Insurrection and disorder continue to prevail in the Punjaub, and the period is obviously not very far removed when we shall be called upon by one party or another to act as allies or ar bitrators, in either case ultimately to take the place of principals, and make a quarrel first and the country sub sequently our own. Dost Mahomed is said to be rapidly consolidating his power around Caubul, and should he seize upon Peshawur, as is most likely, and we conquer the Punjaub, as is next to certain, we shall find Akbar Khan, whom we would have hanged if we could have caught him, our next door neighbour, and probable our most able ally. Lord Ellenborough is at present at Calcutta, but it is said that be was about to proceed to Allahabad, conceiv ing that nothing in the way of civil or military ar rangements can be properly managed without his personal presence. The death of Sir William Case ment will be a great loss at the Council Board. From China we have news to the 18th of March. The difficulties attendant in carrying the various com mercial arrangements of Sir li. Pottinger into effect begin already to be experienced. It is singular that the first instance of this has arisen from a British merchant putting himself forward as an informant against opium smuggling, with a view it is said of gratifying private malice. The hot weather has set in all over India, and in this quarter apprehensions of inconvenience for want of water begin to be entertained, in consequence of the defi ciencies of last year's rains. Trade during the past month has been done to a fair extent, although in prices no improvement is observable. The short period of the active season now remaining, and the large supplies of goods arriving and expected, have produced in holders an anxiety to get rid of their stocks, which being thus pressed upon the market can only be realised at declining prices. We have suffered a severe loss in our society by the death of Dr. John Grant Malcomson, formerly of the Madras medical service, lately of the house of Forbes and Co. He was a man of great talent and learning, of the highest integrity and utmost bene volence of character ; he was cut off' by dysentery when engaged in a tour through Goozerat. 0. P. Q. IN THE EAST. DEPARTURE OF THE NEW GOVERNOR-GENERAL OF • INDlA.—Yesterday the Right Hon. Major-General Sir Henry Hardinge, K.C.8., the newly-appointed Governor-General of India (who goes out to replace Lord Ellenborough, recalled by the Hon. the Court of East India Directors), took his leave of the Right Hon. Sir Robert Peel and his late col leagues, and will leave this morning for Boulogne, Paris, and Marseilles, where a steamer is waiting to convey him to Alexandria. Ills Excellency will embark, at Suez, on board that line steamer, the Hi n d os t an , f or C a l cutta. The luggage and carriages of the new Governor have been sent down by railway to Southampton, and are shipped on board the Great Liverpool steamer, which takes out the Gibraltar, Malta, Egypt, and India mails of yesterday morning, the 3d inst. THE DEBTS OF THE LATE DUKE or SAXE COBURG GuritA.—A paragraph under this title has been travelling through the newspapers, with numerous variations, for some time past. It states, " that the Duke at his decease was in volved in liabilities to the amount of nearly half a million of money, and that the several branches of his family are now devising every means in their power to raise that sum before the next meeting of the Germanic Diet, and that the recent reductions in her Majesty's household were made in order that the money thereby saved might be applied by his Royal Highness Prince Albert to the payment of his father's debts." We are authorised to state in the most distinct and emphatic terms, that these reports are false, and without the slightest foundation. Instead of being in debt, the late Duke left his eldest son money to the amount of 300,0001. after the payment of his debts. We have already fully answered the misrepre sentations that have been made respecting the recent dis missals from the Palace. We are satisfied that inquiry would amply justify those changes. and that the order, regularity, and just, yet liberal, economy that has been introduced into the royal establishment, is in the highest degree creditable o her Majesty.— Times. CAUTiON:-A correspondent, whose own late ex perience enables him to speak with authority, suggests that it is a practice for women, in league with burglars, to adver tise for situations as domestic servants, and to take advantage of the opportunity of gaining admission to respectable houses thus afforded them to reconnoitre the premises, and to observe what bolts, bars, or fastenings, are likely to impede the operations of their friends. A late case of burglary in the neighbourhood of the Hampstead -road would seem to favour this supposition. P rilE SUN, LONDO IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. /1O USE OF LORDS, June 4. Their Lordships assemUled at Five o'clock. The York and Scarborough Railway Bill v.as read a thin time and passed. In answer to a question from Earl FORT ESCUE, Lord WHARNtLIFFE stated that the papers relatinc , t , the appointment of Mr. Gray to the magistracy in Ireran, would be shortly presented to the House. The Gold and Silver Wares Bill was read a second time. Messengers from the Commons brought up several 13i115. TRANSFER OF REAL PROPERTY. Lord CAMPBELL said that, as their Lordships did not seem to be troubled with much business, he would take that oppor tunity of putting a question to his Noble and Learned Friend On the Woolsack, with respect to a Bill which he had intro duced at the commencement of the session, to facilitate the transfer of freehold property. He wished to know if the Bill was intended to be proceeded with this session? _ _ The LORD CHANCELLOR said the Bill was of a very complicated nature, and he had felt it his duty to submit copies of it to some of the molt eminent conveyancers in the country, and several of these conveyancers had not yet sent in their opinions upon it. As soon as those opinions were received the Bill would be proceeded with. PRESBYTERIAN MARRIAGES. The Earl of RODEN presented a number of petitions pray ing that Presbyterian mixed marriages might be legalised ; also petitions against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill. Their Lordships then adjourned. ("OUSE ()F COMMONS. June 4. The SPICAYEIL took the Chair at Four o'clock. NEW WRIT. Mr. YOUNG moved that a new writ be issued for the election of a burgess to serve for the borough of Enniskillen, in the room of the Hon. Arthur H. Gde, who since his elec tion had accepted the office of Steward of the Chiltern Hun dreds. —Ordered. The Report on the Epsom and Croydon Railway was fur ther considered, and the Bill ordered to be engrossed. The Pulteney Town Harbour Bill was read a third time and passed. _ DISSENTERS' CHAPELS BILL. Mr. SCHOLEFIELD presented petitions from various con gregations of Dissenters against the Bill. Mr. MUNTZ presented several petitions from congregations in Birmingham against the Bill, and one from the congregation meeting in Cork-street Chapel, Birmingham, in favour of the Bill. Mr. MAUNSELL presented several petitions from places in Northamptonshire also against the Bill. Mr. W. EVANS presented several petitions in favour of the Bill, but we could not hear the designations of the petitions. A great number of petitions both for and against the Bill were also presented, but in the confusion of the House it was impossible to catch the names of the Members or the petitions. Mr. BOYD presented five petitions from Coleraine and Antrim against the Bill. Mr. GRANTLEY BERKELEY presented several peti tions from places in Gloucestershire against the 8.11, and two in favour of it. Mr. BERKELEY presented several petitions from Ber keley and other places in favour of the Bill. Mr. ENTWTSLE presented several petitions from places in Lancashire against the Bill. Mr. DUGDALE presented petitions from Birmingham in favour of the Bill. Mr. B. Smith presented petitions from Norfolk ; Mr. Brotherton from Camberwell, and other places ; and Major Beresford from Armagh, against the Bill. Similar petitions were presented from Dissenters in Stafford shire, and other parts of the kingdom, by Sir R. H. Inglis ; from North Lancashire, by Mr. W. Patten; and from Northamp ton, by Mr. Vernon Smith. Mr. FOX MA ULE presented thirty-six petitions against the Bill, the first of which was from the General Assembly of the Free Church. The Hort. Mintaza presented also a petition from a body of journeyman sawyers, praying for the imposition of a tax upon saw-mills.—(A laugh.) Lord A. LENNOX presented a petition from Chichester, which was, he said, signed by " some magistrates, some alder men, and some lawyers"—( A laugh)—in favour of the Dis senters' Chapels Bill. Colonel ROLI.EST ON presented 110 petitions from places in the county of Nottingham, praying for agricultural pro tection. Sir J. E A STHOPE presented three petitions from Leices ter against the Dissenters' Chapel Bill. Mr. DENNISTOUN presonted a petition against the same Bill, from Glasgow. Mr. ROSS presented a petition in favour of the Dissenters' Chapel Bill. Mr. WATSON presented a petition from Newcastle-on- Tyne, praying for the establishment of one court of jurisdiction in testamentary matters. Mr. H UME presented a petition, numerously signed, from the borough of Forfar, against the exclusive privileges of the trade guilds in the royal boroughs of Scotland, and complain ing of the conduct of the Guild of Tailors in Forfar, who had fined a poor tailor 10s. for having worked at his business for private employers to save himself from destitution. The Hon. 11Iember also presented a petition from a private individual in Dublin, complaining that persons holding Government situa tions were allowed to be also directors of public boards, Scc., by which they were prevented from giving all their time to the public, as they were bound to do. _ . • Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from Yeovil, praying for the repeal of the Poor-law Amendment Act ; also a petition from the borough of Southwark against the heavy sentence pronounced upon Mr. O'Connell and the traversers in Dublin. Colonel WOOD presented several petitions against the In closure Act and the Dissenters' Chapels Bill. Mr. STUA RT WORTLEY presented petitions from se veral places in Yorkshire, against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill ; also three petitions in favour of the same Bill. Mr. NIILDAIAY presented a petition from Southampton against the Bill. Mr. M. PHILIPS presented several petitions from Man chester and its neighbourhood, against the Bill ; also several petitions in favour of the Bill. Mr. COBDEN presented petitions in favour of the Bill. Sir G. CLERK presented petitions from Stafford against the Bill. Mr. ALDAN' presented a petition from Yorkshire, against the Bill. Lord DUNCAN presented a petition from Bath in favour of the Bill. Sir A. BROOKE presented petitions from Fermanagh, against the Bill. Mr. PAT fISON presented petitions against the Bill. Mr. BROTHERTON presented six petitions in favour of the Bill. Mr. PLUMPTRE presented petitions from Kent against the Bill. Mr. GLADSTONE presented nine petitions from Newark against the Bill. Mr. HUME presented a petition from Ipswich in favour of the Bill ' • also petitio ns f rom B et h nal-green, and other places, against the Bill. Mr. BARNEBY presented 25 petitions in favour of the corn-laws. NOTICES OF MOTIONS. Mr. WALLACE gave notice that he would, on the 2d of July, move for a copy of the pretest of the jury who tried Alexander Walker at the Glasgow Assizes. Mr. ESCOTT gave notice that he would, on this day week, move for a return of the fees paid to clerks of petty sessions and assizes. 111ACKINNON gave notice that he would postpone his motion on prison discipline till the 2d of July. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from the Isle of Guernsey, complaining of the disturbances that had taken place in the island, and praying for interference. Sir J. GRAHAM understood that considerable excitement had prevailed, but that the loyalty of the island was undisturbed. IRISH STATE TRIALS. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE moved for a copy of the judgment and the committal of Mr. O'Connell and his co-traversers. Sir J. GRAHAM said he could assure the lion. Gentleman that he was as anxious as he himself could be that this return should be presented as soon as possible ; but he trusted the lion. Gentleman would not press the Govarnment on the sub ject inconveniently. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he was informed by person, fully acquainted with short-hand writing that the notes mus have been furnished within three weeks after the trial. Sir J. GR HAM said the short-hand writer was in the employment of Mr. Gurney, and being detached from the esta blishment here, of course he could not receive the same assist ance as he would have in town. He possessed the entire con fidence of Mr. Gurney, and he believed there would be as little delay as possible. COMMERCIAL RELATIONS WITH RUSSIA. Lord J. RUSSELL moved for a copy of a dispatch from the Earl of Aberdeen to the Earl of Westmorland, with respect to the commercial relations between this country and Prussia, with any answer to such dispatch from the Court of Prussia. Mr. GLADSTONE said that in the present state of the correspondence, he thought it would be highly inexpedient that the correspondence should be produced. It was still going on, and its character was somewhat changed. Lord J. RUSSELL said that if the correspondence was still proceeding ho would not press for its production. Mr. GLADSTONE said perhaps he might as well state to the Noble Lord what would otherwise be stated in debate. With regard to what had appeared in the newspapers, he had no reason to believe that it was not substantiaily accurate ; although the dispatch of Lord Aberdeen had probably pasted through a double translation—first into the German language, and afterwards into the English. There were subsequent com munications, however, which would he necessary to make in telligible what had found its way into the newspapers. But the ground upon which the Government did not think it ex pedient to lay those papers on the table at the present moment was, that subsequent to the dispatch dated the 19th of March, received from Baron Bulow communications had been received, which were con ceived in a different spirit, and tending to different results. With respect to the iron duty and other matters, it was thought best that the correspondence should be suspended until the final issue of the communication was known. The Govern ment did not wish to be parties to the publication of a corre spondence which partook, he would not say of a hostile, but of an argumentative character.--( Hear, hear.) He would have no objection whatever to the production of the corre spondence when it was brought to a close. Lord J. RUSSELL then postponed his motion until this day fortnight. Dr. BO WRING said, that not being aware of the Noble Lord's intention with reference to this question, he had given notice of a similar motion; but he would now w i thdraw his mo tion, and leave the matterin the hands of the Noble Lord. Sir C. NAPIER said, seeing the Gallant Admiral (Admi ral Bowles) in his place, he wished to know if it had come to the knowledge of the Admiralty, that the Commander-in-Chief in the Mediterranean, bad taken the mess place from the officers of the ward-room, and sent them down into the gun room, and had removed the gun-room officers into the cockpit, and taken the ward-room for his own accommodation ? • Admiral BOWLES said he hoped his Honourable and Gallant Friend would give notice of this questi,.n.--(Hear.) Being a young member of the Admiralty, and havin g on ly sat for one week in the House, he hoped his Hon. and Gallant Friend would give notice of any question ho intended to put to him. 'ir C. NAPIER had only put a question on that which was matter of public notoriety. PARISHES OF SCOTLAND BILL. _ _ Mr. EDWARD ELLICE wished to ask the Lord Advo cate if it was intended to proceed with the Bill for the division of parishes in Scotland during the present session ; and if so, when he intended to bring it forward? The LORD ADVOCATE said that the time when the measure was to be brought forward must depend upon the pregress of the public business. He hoped to be able to pro seed with the Bill on Friday, but it should be recollected that it had been originally put off at the request of Hon. Gentle men opposite. EXPORT DUTIES ON COALS. Lord HARRY VANE moved that this House do resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to take into con sideration so much of the Act 5 and 6 Vic., c. 47, as relates to an export duty on coal, with a view to its immediate repeal. lie was .sure that the house w o uld b e li eve t h at there 'wasnothing further from his intention than to take this motion out of the hands of the Noble Lord the Member for Sunderland. who had exhibited the greatest zeal with regard to this subject in 1842. His Noble Friend had also brought forward the sub ject in 1643, but having brought it forward twice, he scarcely 1 5 WEDNESDAY MORNING, JUNE 5, 1844 thought it desirable to bring it forward the third time, and therefore he (Lord H. Vane) had taken upon him self to direct the attention of the House to the sub ject. The circumstances were different now to what they had been when the subject was last before the House. Then there was a deficiency in the revenue, now there was a surplus. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had thought it right to propose reductions in the duty payable in other articles, and he thought that the coal trade had a claim upon the Government for relief. If he could prove tlat the coal trade was suffering under great depression, he thought that he was entitled to call upOn the i House to mete out the same measure of justice to that trade as to others. The fact on which he rested his ar gument was the injurious operation of the tax, not oily upon the coal trade itself, but in the displacement of labour in the collieries, and in the effect which it had upon the ship ping interest. The returns which had been presented to the House showed that there had been a great diminution of the expert trade in the last year, and there had been a consequent diminution of employment and wages. The decrease of exports had been more than 100,000 tons in 1843, as compared with 1842, although in the same period there had been an increased consumption of coal upon the Continent, and there would have been an increased demand for ours, if it had not been ler the duty. The coal that was exported in that year consisted altogether of small coal, upon which there was no profit. But the effect of the tax was to prevent the exportation of large coal, upon the pro duction of which the greatest amount of labour was employed. In consequence of the duty there had been a great falling off in the exports, notwithstanding the great and increasing demand fur the article from the mare general use of gas-lighting, the extension of railways and steam navigation, and the greater de mand t hat was found to have been created in the Mediterranean. In 1841 the export to Russia was 75,595 tons; in 1843 it was 114,605 tons, being au increase of 39,000 tons. But this in crease was owing to the treaty of navigation. The export to Nor way, in 1841, was 15,207 tons; in 1843 it was 18,233 toes, being an increase of 3 026 tons. This was owing to the establish ment of certain works; and this could, the, efore, be only a casual increase. The expert to Denmark in 1841 was 148,724 tons; in 1843, it was 134,425 tons, being a decrease of 14.195. The export to Prussia in 1841 was 115,000 tons ; in 1843 it was 147,000, being an increase of 31,000 tons. But this was a special case. In Germany the export in 1841 was 169,000 tons ; in 1843 it was 147,000, being a decrease of 32,000 tons. In Holland the export in "1841 was 171,000 tons, in 1843 it was 149,000, being a decrease of 24,000. The export to France in 1834 was 59,692 tons; in 1841 it amounted to 451,000 tons, being an increase in 8 years of 391,313 tons, or an increase each year of 48,000 tons. With regard to Spain to Italy, and to Turkey, he would admit that there was a slight increase, but that was owing to accidental circumstances. Unless the duty were reduced altogether there could be no doubt but the export of coal would diminish every year. He would net trouble the House by entering more at large into statistical details,' but he would state that he had received communications from persons well informed on the subject, from master colliers, from the owners of mines, who declared that in consequence of the diminution of export which was occasioned by the im position of the duty it was out of their power to give full employment to the colliers, who were conse quently deprived of one day's labour in the week. He thought that he could claim the support of the Hon. Members for Newcastle, Gateshead, Tynemout h. and Shields, and others connected with the shipping interest. He had stated that there was a considerable displacement of labour arising from the non-employment of colliers one day in the week. It must he recollected that this was a most hazard ous kind of labour, and that it demanded a high rate of wages. This duty operated most injuriously to the working classes in the collieries, and of course the injury recoiled upon other classes. Was it good policy to continue a duty which ope rated so prejudicially to the commercial interests of this coun try? They were bound to take into their consideration the suffering of the working classes in consequence of the depressed state of the trade, and by every argument of justice and of policy the Government was bound to take off the dut v, and to give to the coal trade the same advantage which they lied given to every other trade. The revenue derived from this duty was so small, that there was no necessity for its continuance, whilst irremediable mischief would be inflicted it were not removed. He did not believe that it was the intention of the Government to continue it for more than one year, and was it worth while to continue a tax which was productive of such injurious effects? If the duty were removed, it would have a tendency to settle the unhappy differences which existed between the working people in the coal districts and their masters, by enabling them to give their work people employment. On these grounds he trusted the Government would give up the duty, or, if they refused, that at least the House would give him a considerable degree of support. Mr. H U FT seconded the motion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought that whatever difference of opinion might exist on the subject, the House would agree with him that the Noble Lord need make no apology for bringing forward the subject, for he had never heard a more clear and lucid statement than that made by the Noble Lord.—( Cheers.) It was, however, unfortunately, his fate to differ in opinion with the Noble Lord on the subject. It was not out of any want of respect to the Nobla Lord that he should abstain from adverting to his argument on the state of revenue, and on the small amount which the duty brought into the Exchequer, because the same argument would apply to every other case in which the produce of any duty to the Exchequer was small. The Noble Lord had advocated the abo lition of the duty on the ground that it had had the effect of producing the displacement of labour in the coal districts of this country. Now he thought that if he could satisfy the House that the amount of coal raised since the imposition of the duty was equal to that which had been raised before its imposition, they would agree with him that the Noble Lord had not made out that the imposition of the duty had occa sioned any displacement of labour, and if the quantity of coal exported amounted to very nearly the same quantity to which it had amounted prior to the period at which the duty was im posed, he trusted they would agree with him in opinion that the duty had not acted prejudicially. The Noble Lord stated that a diminution -•eof - export had taken place in 1840 as compared with 1842 ; but he admitted that an increase had taken place in 1843 as compared with 1841. Now, in 1842, in consequence of the announce ment of the intention of the Government to impose the duty an effort had been made and an immense increase in the export had taken place in the former half of that year, which as compared with the latter half of the same year showed an increase of some hundreds of thousands of tons. The fair comparison therefore was between the years 1841 and 1843, and in the latter year there had been an increase. In order to show that any diminution which had taken place in the ex port of coal, was not attributable to the imposition of the duty, he would bring the matter to this test. He would take those places in which there was no variation of the duty. The quantity of coal exported to the colonies was, in 1841, 344,000 tons; in 1842, 353,000 tons ; and in 1843, 307,600 tons. The export of coals from London had in 1643' declined to a verb large amount as compared with the two preceding years. The Noble Lord adverted to the depression of the shipping interest; of course the falling off in the exportation of coals would affect that interest, but in France, for instance, that exporta tion had increased. The export of coal to France was greater since 1842, than it had b een i n 1841. With respect to Russia, the coal trade with that country had considerably in creased ; the Noble Lord attributed this to the fact of coal having been sent to Russia in former years in foreign ships which had to pay a heavy duty, whilst latterly, in consequence of the reciprocity treaty, coal had been exported in British ships which had paid a lower rate of duty. The quantity of coals exported to Russia in 1842 was 83,000 tons, whilst in 1843 116,000 tons had been exported to that country. In 1842 we had sent abroad 148,000 tons of small coals ; in 1843, 456,000 coalehhrat e st s t g t riarn w ed tie a na s ; Idlsc buton fi w n a e s d t h t e o r e t n h o a t t g d e e n p r r a t m l y e t l o w f e r i . t tons. The Noble Lord seem e d t o say t h at t h e depression in branches of trad e ? A n d if t h at were there for ref err i ng th e de cpetwi h on n r eaeg e g rls a e s s ?ghiooefit ofn n l t g a t t hfhhs freights wgtshpping i n t erest generally to the duties on respect to th e co l on i a l sh i pping interest, a greater quantity of coals had been exported into Canada last year than on any antecedent years. When he had the honour to submit to the House the financial arrangements, he stated to the House the grounds upon which it was impossible to extend the further remission of taxation during the present year. The propositions he then made were, he thought, received with ge neral and cordial concurrence by the House ; and perhaps he might have made a better selection of articles on which duty was to have been remitted; but, as regarded the coal duties, he must say that since the measure had been laid before the House he had received assurances from shipowners that the measure would be beneficial to that class. From gentlemen extensively interested in the coal trade, he received assurances to the same effect. Although it was painful to him to resist any motion having for its object the relaxation of duties on so important an article as coals, yet it gave him some satisfaction to think that at present there was no need for further inter ference, and that the present measure was working beneficially for the country. Mr. GRANGER supported the motion of the Noble Lord. The Chancellor of Ole Exchequer went upon entirely different grounds from those upon which the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of the Government argued lest year. That Right lion. Gentleman said that he could not conceive a more legiti mate object of duty than the coals exported into foreign coun tries ; but the Chancellor of the Exchequer had abandoned that ground. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said he would not discuss the question of the expediency of remitting the duty, but went upon the supposition that the duty was bene ficial. Would the Right Hon. Gentleman say, too, the Go vernment measure had raised the price of coals in foreign mar kets ?—there could be no doubt butathat the duty depreciated their price, for coals were lower in the markets of France and Russia. Then the fact was the duty had been paid by the coal owners and by the shipowners —those classes who were most able to hear it. The coalowner must export because his capital was invested in coal, and the shipowner must carry at a reduced freight because he had no other means of employing his vessels. In 1833, the quantity of coal sent to foreign countries was 449,665 tons; in 1841, 1,500,000 tons; anti if it were not for the injudicious tax imposed by the Government, the exportation would have continued to advance in the same ratio, whereas, even according to the admission of in fth t e he ßi t g x h - t Hon. Gentleman, it had not increased in anything like of kethe same proportion. He thought they might jusshtelyuladpspuepapl support the e ce G ho o ae v lcis e u, r es n re m ,e ia e nn n gd t h f i o at r t wt t ah h se e roen a w b t as o h l i i s t abolition wo ground ds t ut h hr e paltu d hs u e ty on the export motion of the Noble Lord. Mr. WARBURTON did not intend to defend this tax on revenue principles, although he thought it might be defended on those principles. What he contended for was this, that if the matter were fully inquired into, it would be found that only a certain quantity of coal existed, and therefore it was per fectly justifiable to regulate the sale of that article, so as to ensure the first supply of it to the inhabitants of this country. In a Committee of that House, a Mr. Taylor had stated that there was enough coal in Northumberland for 1,727 years' supply; but he (Mr. Warburton) believed that that gentle man had under-estimated the consumption ; for he believed that more than twice as much was consumed, as was estimated by Mr. Taylor. (The Hon. Gentleman here read from the evidence which was taken before a Committee of the House of Commons in the year 1830, on the subject of coal mines, to show that .many of the coal mires in the country would be exhausted in about sixty years from the present time.) These were the best coals, it would be remembered. On this evidence then, lie contended that no facilities should be given up for the exporta tion of coal from this country. At present the foreigner could purchase coal at Newcastle for about 185. a tore while the home consumer had to pay at least 70 per cent. wore, or near 30s. per ton. Those gentlemen (the coalostners) did not come be fore the House with clean hands.--( Hear.) Let them do away with their own most odious, most extensive, and most oppressive monopoly.—( Hear, hear.) The best coal selling in London at 305, a ton could be had at St. Petersburgh 50 per cult. less. If the monopoly could be removed a cheap bargain would be made for the country with coalowners. But until that could be effected he thought that the Government would 'act most wisely in maintaining the present duty, so as to equalise the price at which the best English coals could be had in English and in foreign markets.—( Hear, hear.) He should therefore give his support to the proposition for the continu ' aace of the tax. Air,AODGSON HINDE said that, in giving an opinion on . this subject, he thought it right to state that he was not a coal owper: An Hon. Gentleman opposite had stated that the coal field wouldisooo be exhausted unless there was some restric tiop upon the exportation. The same argument would apply to the laying an additional duty upon the coal supplied to Lon don.—( Hear, and a laugh.) The House should bear in mind that other nations were rapidly rivalling us in the production of coal, and the supply of foreign countries. It had been said that there had been as great a decrease in the export to the colonies, upon which there was no tax, as in the export to foreign states. But the decrease in one direction had been more than compensated by the increase in others, age's where there had been a deficiency in the supply from Englaud, that had been made up by coal from other countries. With regard tot lie effect of the tax in depressing the shipping interest, that argument had been answered by an Hon. Gentleman opposite, by referring to the distressed state of the shipping interest gene rally, without reference to the coal trade. But he did not think that was sufficient to show that the distress of the gene ral shipping trade was not aggravated by the 'dimini s hed em ployment in the export of coal. If the tkx re continued to 1850, it would be an incentive to other nett' to open up new seams of coal for their own uses, at Wl7 Efe expense that might be done. He gave Irs cordial suppo '''> the motion, and thanked the Noble Lord for blinging it forirdid. 4 Mr. H L AIE looked upon the coal monopoly as most dis graceful and pernicious. A few years ago (in 1836), he em ployed a whole year in endeavouring to expose that iniquitous monopoly, but he understood that it was now as powerful and as much combined as ever.—( Hear, lielse), He believed that th e b ro k ers o f L on d on were as much to blame as the coal-owners, for it was they that fixed the price at which coal should be sold ; and the consequence was that, at times 160 or 200 ships would be lying in the river until the coals should reach a certain price fixed by the brokers. There were, he understood, from 200 to 300 sail of colliers in the river, waiting until the price should rise, although, if they chose to unload, they would readily find a market.—( Hear, hear.) He had done everything to support the Stockton and Tees, and other railways, with the hope that they would facilitate the supply of coals in London. But the fact was that the pro prietors of those railways had joined the monopolists. It had been proved that 4,000,000 of tons could be raised annually, but the proprietors would allow no more to be raised than would be sufficient to supply London at a fixed price. And it was only against London that this monopoly was directed, for there was no restriction of the supply for the north of Scot land or the south of England.—( Hear.) There could not be a more detestable conspiracy than this, although it might not be so easy to obtain a conviction of the parties as tt had been to convict O'Connell and his coaejutors.—( Hear and a laugh.) However, he had opposed the imposition of the Outy ; and what he said at the time was borne out i n t h e result. Before the duty was put on, the quantity of coal exported to France was 50,000 tons, and from 1834 to 1843 the sh•pping at the three ports of the Tyne, the Wear, and the Humber, employed in the export of coals had increased 2,703 ships ; and now a large portion of those ships were rotting, and other countries were supplying France.—( Hear, hear.) The commercial navy was the great defence and support of this country, and it was pain ful to him to see it so much injured by a Government which had the power to foster and improve it.—( Hear, hear.) He thought the Act ought to be repealed. Sir. F. BARING had seen nothing in the returns laid on the table that had changed his opinion of the extreme inex pediency of laying on the tax. Mr. LIDDELL concurred in the propriety of the tax, but trusted that it would be removed. At the present moment the pits were not being worked, and the stocks were becoming exhausted ; the price of coal, too, it should be remembered, was still further reduced by the numerous tolls and charges to which it was subjected in the port of London. It had been prominently put forward this evening that the coal-owners had a monopoly of the article. They were charged with being monopolists; but it should be recollected that there was a constant competition in the market between the colliers of Northumberland and Durham, Scotland, Wales, and all the inland collieries. What monopoly could be sustained in the midst of so much competition ? There were three kinds of coal known in the market, which were principally supplied by the collieries of Northumberland and Durham. The first was household coal, at an average price of '2os. and 21s. per ton ; steamer coal, which was from 15s. to 183. a ton ; and small coal from 13s. to 15s. a ton. He did not think these charges were sufficient to justify the injurious expression of monopoly, when out of it had to be paid the cost of all the raising, car riage, &c., to which it was subject. The House had the means of satisfying itself on this point; no disguise was attempted on the part of the coal-owners. They might summon all their agents to give evidence on the subject. There were, indeed, some regulations come to, by mutual understanding, for the governing of the trade, but those re gulations existed in other trades also. Yet it was not called monopoly. Why, then, were they to say to the coal pro prietors that they should not make such regulations? He was convinced that the more this question was understood and examined the less foundation there would be found for the charge. He hoped he had in some degree answered the charge as to monopoly. There was another subject connected with this question, which he should not have thought proper to notice did he not see the Hon. Member for Finsbury present. The Hon. Member had presented a petition yesterday, from the working men who had struck in the collieries, signed by 30,000 or 40,000 men, embodying certain representations. But, except by one feeble link, the subject was not connected with that before the House. The coal-owners, in the face of a declining trade, were loaded with an impost to which thoythad been unaccustomed. The men, in spite of 'ffiel'ilan gerous nature of their occupation, had many corrfftiitii, and even luxuries, not possessed by th e l a b ourers i n other parts of the kingdom ; and he hoped if they were not ill advised, that the time was not far distant when these un happy disputes would find a termination. He thought the Hon. Member for Finsbury oughf not to have presented such a petition without due notice, or without being prepared to make some substantial motion. The subject had been entirely exhausted by the Noble Lord who had brought it forward, and by the Hen. Gentleman opposite who had spoken upon it. He should not, therefore, go further into details, but conclude by again conjuring the Government to give its attention to the subject, and not to persevere longer in attacks so obnoxious and injurious; and he trusted those who did support it at a time when it was believed to he necessary, would not again sanction it with their support. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said it was not his intention to have brought the prayer of the petition he had presented further before the House; but he must confess that there was one ob servation which had fallen from the Honourable Gen tleman to which he must allude. In trying to explain the causes of the present price of coal, he had said that it was enhanced by the roughness of the colliers.—( '' No, no," from Mr. Liddell.) The Hon. Member might not have meant to have used the phrase, but he certainly did do so, as lie (Mr. Duncombe) had taken down the words. Now, looking at the number of men out on the strike-20,000 or 30,000—he thought there never was a set of men who conducted them selves more peaceably, or in a more praiseworthy and meri torious manner. During the eight weeks the strike had lasted they had shown the utmost respect for property, and the rights of property. He was not going now to bring the question of the strike before the House. He could well understand why the masters were not prepared to go into that question. He knew there had been great misrepresentations abroad with re spect to the men, and if the House were to go into the ques tion at all, he would undertake not only to satisfy the House, but the public also, that the masters were the men who had struck, and not the miners. This had been no question of wages. The question had been entirely one relating to the personal safety of the men, which had been neglected by the masters. In addition to this neglect, certain bonds had been introduced by the masters this the enever objected, been akwnndo he n t t h o o t a h g e h m t men mostbefore. justly ob jected; j t y e h e e e a :s e e d whichrn andds ha d ifthey would read the petition they would fi n d that the men were ready to submit the whole points in di s p u t e to the arbitration of honourable and disinterested men. Could there be a fairer proposition than this, and would the masters meet them on that point ? If they would not, then were th e y in the wrong, and not the men.—( The Hon. Membe r h ere read titioTn,heoffmeerningalato demanded to settle the matt er that they should be paid by the weight of the coal ra i se d, an d and not by measure. The Hon. G en tl eman sa id i t was only th i e n a feeble link which connected the p e titi on w ith t h e question proposition dispute petition, before the House. Why surely this was a material portion of the whole question. He agreed that this was an interest much too important to be treated with levity in that House. There were 15,000,0001. of capital invested in the coal trade. There were from 35,000 to 40,000 employed in it, and they were out on strike. They mentioned that their demands were not exorbitant. They wanted protection, a n d th e y a sk e d to b e paid for their labour r by weight instead of measure. They stated that being paid by measure they were often defrauded and imposed upon by the masters. The measures given them often contained beyond what they were told they did, and after working a certain time they often found that instead of raising twenty-one pecks of coals, for which they were paid, they found that they had raised twenty-six or twenty-seven pecks. He said then that they had a right to demand that their labour should be weighed. Coals were sold in the metropolis by weight. The Act of Parliament enforcing that regulation was passed to prevent the frauds that were discovered in the trade, and had preyed a great protection to the public. Then he wanted to know why, if they sold coal by weight, they should not pay the miner by weight also. But this it seemed the mas ters would not agree to. The men asked for legislative inter ference, but they did not wish Parliament to fix what wages they should be paid. But they asked the Government to ap point inspectors of the mines to see that the works were made safe. In consequence of the had regulation of the mines suffi cient lights were not afforded them. The consequence was, that they were obliged to send up foul coal to the surface. For this they were heavily fined, so much so, that often after working a week or fortnight they found that instead of re ceiving wages, they were in debt. Now a better regulation of the mines would enable them to have better light, and the foul coal would not find its way to the bank. i f,L•ye was another grievance u n d er w hi c h t h e m i ners laba -7: . Their wages were not paid every week, but once a' • L i ht, and one week's wages we r e a l wa y s k ept i n ' ' Why not lit leave these point s t o th e ar bit rat i on o f di s i rested men ? He wished to see an amic a bl e arrangemen t made between the employers and the men, and h e b e li eve d t h at an arrangement might easily be effected if the master 3 would not stand aloof, refusing to deal with any but the men belonging to their own collieries. Were not the masters in union as well'a4lse men --in union not only against the men but the public, and com bined to keep up the price of coal to the detriment:of the con sumer? There was the monopoly in the City of London, which the Lord Mayor was endeavouring to put down. The Lord Mayor would not allow more than three days for the col lier ships to unload, so that they could nor wait till prices got high, and if they wanted to continue longer they must go down the river and come up again. He believed the Lord Mayor would abate this combination of the masters against the public, and he hoped he would succeed. He would certainly vote for the re peal of the export duty on coal. He heard no reason advanced to induce the House to continue the duty. It was most inju rious to the masters, and consequently to the men, and it was injurious to the consumers. He did not think the duty was of sufficient importance as an object of revenue to induce the Chancellor of the Exchequer to continue it, and, therefore, he had the greatest pleasure in voting for the motion of his Noble Friend. Sir G. CLERK would endeavour to recal the attention of the House to the real subject before it. It had been said that there was now no reason for continuing the tax, as the grounds upon which it was imposed no longer existed. Now he ( Sir G. Clerk) denied that there was any change of the grounds upon which the tax had been imposed by his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer. lie confessed that he thought there was a good deal in what had fallen from the Hon. Gentleman the Member for Kendal. The coal which was near the surface was of a botter quality than that which was deeper, and the expense of working it was less. As they went deeper the mines became more difficult to work, and therefore it was perfectly clear that in the course of time a rise in price must take place, and the consumer would have to pay more for his coal than he paid at present. A great increase had taken place in the export of coals, and though he did not agree with those who thought that their coal-mines would be exhausted in a few years, yet he thought it ought to he taxed, though not to such an amount as would prove prejudicial to the coal masters. His opinion was that the export of coals would con tinue to increase, though not in the same ratio as before the tax -was imposed. If coals were exported at that rate, which some Hon. Gentleman seemed to suppose, it would be absolutely necessary to impose a check in order to prevent it. O ne object which the Government had, in imposing a tax, w as that it would give an advantage to British vessels over forei gn vessels, because there was a differential duty of four shilli ngs , in favour of British vessels which carried out c-als. Th ere was no injury, inflicted on the coal interests whi c h s h ou l d induce the House to abolish the duty which had b een i mposed, as he thought most properly, on coals by his Ri g ht H on. Friend. Lord HOWICK said that having, on a former occasion, fully _stated his opinions upon this subject, he should not, ou the present occasion, occupy the time of the House at any length. But as he represented a constituency which was deeply in terested in'getting rid of this tax, he thought it right to make a few observations ; and if he wanted a proof to show how much at a loss her Majesty's Government were for a defence t . of this impolitic tax, that proof was clearly afforded by the in consistent arguments of the Right Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down. The Right Hon. Gentleman, it appeared to him, seemed, from the latter part of his speech, to be only desirous to give time to his friends to come to the division. ( Hear, hear. ) In the latter part of his speech he said that the tax inflicted no injury on the coal trade, while in the first part of his speech he said there was much force in what had fallen from the Honourable Member for Kendal as to the danger of the supply of coals being exhausted. Their argument must be one or the other. If they imposed this tax to husband the supply of coal, then there was an end to the latter part of the Right Hon. Gentleman's speech. If they rejected this argument, the question must then be con sidered with reference to the effect of the duty on the teethe— ( Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman must have great confidence in the gullibility of the House, to come forward with the argument that the coal mines were in danger of being exhausted.—( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member for Kendal, who had a sort of monomania on this subject—(Hear, hear)—was the only Member who took that ground. In ad dition to the supply in the North of England, the best geo logists told them that the Welsh field contained a supply for 2,000 years; and, besides this, they must not forget the supply to be expected from Scotland and Ireland.--( Hear, hear. ) Now as to the trade being injured by this tax, he really thought that her Majesty's Government had confessed that the case was against them.—( Hear, hear.) The fact %seas clear and indis putable, that they had had A trade thriving beyond all example —a trade created by the repeal of an impolitic tax upon ex ports. For eight years this trade was growing faster and faster. The Government were warned what would be she effect of imposing the tax ; it instantly caused a falling off of the trade; and Hon. Members knew that there was only a step between the falling off and a total stoppage in commercial matters. His Hon. Friend, the Member for Kendal, had re ferred to the regulation of " vends," and had defended that re gulation. For his own part, he would only say that he ob jected to all combinations, whether by masters or workmen. He was perfectly persuaded that great injury had been inflicted by the coalowners upon their own terests by the injudicious course which they had pursued. They had brought upon themselves the competition of the coalowners in the neighbourhood of the Tees, and they were now bringing upon themselves; the competition of Sete land and Northumberland. In Northumberland, a very valu able coal field had been discovered, and the coal of that district would very shortly be brought into the market. They were profiting by the mistakes which had been made by the coal ownin sof other parts of the country. Large contracts for the exportation of coals had, however, been thrown out in the im. mediate neighbourhood of Northumberland by the imposition of this tax, and he contended that it was not just to punish, on that account, those who were no parties to the regulations of " vends." Allusion had been made to the unfortunate strike which now existed among the pitmen of the north. He re garded with the deepest anxiety the dispute between the mas ters and those whom they employed ; hut he mtist confess that he deeply deplored the circumstance that his Hon. Friend the Member for Durham. and the Hon. Member for Finsbury, had thought fit in that House to discuss these painful differences. He thought they had no right whatever to interfere in that matter, and, as the House had no right to interfere, he ( Lord Howick), as an individual Member of it, would abstain from doing so. Ile would only express a most earnest hope that on both sides there would be a strong desire for an amicable termi nation of those disputes. With these few observations he begged most cordially to support the motion before the House. Jr.A Alderman HUMPHERY said he should not have ad dressed the House, if it had not been stated by the Hon. Member for Sunderland that it had nothing at all to do with the differences between the coalowners and their workmen. A case had come before him within the last week which bore upon that question. There were 50,000 sailors employed in the coal trade ; a number of these men who had been em ployed in bringing coals to the port of London complain e d th at they had made an agreement with their masters for 4/. per voyage from Newcastle and back again. They arrived in London last April, and had remained here up to the present day. The coals were not sold, and in looking at the charterparty of the masters and coalowners, he found that it said, " if you re main in London after three market days you," that is the owners of vessels, " shall have lid per ton for each market day." The owners were thus secured from loss by receiving 4id. a week. But the poor men who had contracted for 41. were placed in the position which he had stated to the House. He would be glad to know whether the House had nothing to do with such a case as that'—( Hear, hear.) What was to become of these men, many of whom had wives and families at home with eight or ten children ? Now, with respect to the question before the House, he begged to say that the same coal which in London cast 20s. per ton, could be bought in France for 15s. Why should the French manufacturers have that advantage over our own?—(Hear, hear.) He confessed that he was rather for increasing than diminishin g the duty. The Frenchmen, he concluded, should not have coals cheaper than ourselves.—( Hear, hear.) It had been said that, if the duty were continued, Belgium would supersede our own coal owners. Why did she not supersede them in France ? ( Hear, hear.) He was anxious that the Govern ment give way on this questio n —th ey s h ould cer tainly shouldhav notehiscordial support.—(Cheers from the Ministerial benches. ) Mr. HUTT said that if the men whose case the Hon. Gen tleman commisserated found the terms in question so un favourable to themselves, they would take care not to consent to such terms in future. With respect to the question before the House, he had hoped that this tax would have been treated in the same manner as the augmentation of the Irish spirit duties. The tax was imposed in distinct opposition to the re commendation of the Committee; and the argument in re ference to the exhaustion of the mines had proved a complete fallacy. He must protest against what had been said by the Hon. Members near him on the subject of the monopoly of the coalowners. They had attempted to raise a cry against that class of persons, and the author of that very remarkable and entertaining production " Coningsby," said that, to act upon popular feeling there was no better instrument than to raise a cry.—( Hear, hear.) A monopoly created by legislative enactment was a gross abuse, and he would go as far as any one in denouncing it. It was a robbery committed on one portion of the community for the fancied benefit of another. He would ask the Hon. Gentleman if the monopoly of the coalowners was a monopoly of that description ? Was it the subject of special legislation ; or was it not rather a monopoly arising from the very institution of private property ? The coalowners had a right to dispose of their property in the best market they could find ; they had a right to sell it when, where, and bow they liked, and they had a right to abstain from selling it at all if they thought proper. It was a most impolitic proceeding to raise a cry against the coalowners on that account. He would ask why this cry was specially directed against the coal owners? Did not the same species of combination exist in every other department of trade? Did not the iron-masters assemble together in some large town, and agree to raise the price of iron ? Did they not hear the same statereitie a ith regard to the manufacturers of copper, of tin, of soap, and of various other articles, the produce of industry ? They had no busirnss to single out the coalowners in partienlar ; they had no right to denounce any of these parties. He was aatonis , ,ed to find those who set up for transcendental philosophers and economists mai ing the coalowners the subject of attacks of this character.—( Cheers, and cries of " Divide.") Mr. HUME rose to explain. He would with regard to the question of the coalowners' monopoly, refer his Hon. Friend to the evidence given before the Committee.—( Here the Hon. Gentleman was interrupted by lo u d cr i es o f " Order ! order I " " Chair, chair ") The SPEAKER said the Hon. Member must confine him self strictly to an explanation. Mr. WALLACE agreed with his Hon. Friend who had not been permitted to go on jttA now in his denunciations of this monopoly, which was one of a most injurious kind, and had been carried to the utmost possible extent. He was astonished to find the Noble Lord the Member for Sunderland rating his Hon. Friend below him for laying before the House the griev ances of 30,000 of the labouring population. His Hon. Friend had done his duty by directing the attention of the House to that subject, and their interference was certainly called for in such a case as that which his Hon. Friend had stated when the parties were rich and powerful on the one side and poor and powerless on the other. The statement made by his Hon. Friend that this immense body of working men were prepared to submit the questions in dispute between themselves and their masters to arbitration, was well worthy the attention of the Government. His Hon Friend on his left had introduced a law for providing for the settlement by arbitration of disputes between masters and men in one branch of manufacture, but the meaning of the Act had been so perverted by the lawyers in Scotland, that the people had not had the full benefit of it. As a representative of a considerable number of ship owners he must protest against the continuance of this export duty on coals as most unjust and injurious, causing, as it did, 800,000 tons of coal to lie wasting at the bottom of the pits, in stead of being brought to the surface and exported. This coal was not even suffered to be brought up to the surface and sent to London, and that was one of the effects of this law. He should cordially vote for the motion of the Noble Lord. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared-- For the motion ... Against it Majority against the motion — 36 THE COMNIERCI AL MARINE. Mr. L 1 ALL then moved for a Select Committee, to in quire into the state and condition of the commercial marine of this country, and to take into consideration and report on the best mode of encouraging and extending the employment of British shipping. Dr. BOWRING moved, as an addition to Mr. Lyall's mo tion, that the said Committee do examine into the effect of the taxes on the materials used in the building and equipping of British ships; also into the effect on wages and ships' stores of our restrictions on provisions (in respect to the expense of na vigating British ships), and to consider and report to the House en the expediency of removing the same, in so far as they may be found to prevent the British shipowner from competing suc cessfully with the foreign shipowner. Mr. GLADSTONE supported the motion, but was anxious to guard against misrepresentation of the objects of the Govern ment. It had been industriously circulated by a certain class, that the reciprocity treaties were about being abandoned. Nosy, so far from this being the case, the Government were roost anxious to adhere to them. It was absolutely necessary to adhere to them—there was no alternative but in going to war, which they must all deprecate.—( Hear, hear.) Sir C. N APIER gave his cordial concurrence to the motion of the Hon. Gentleman opposite. The shipping interest had declined. In 1840 the number of steam vessels registered was 77 • in 1841, only M. He hoped the Committee would consider the subject fully, without any reference to party isbjects.—( Hear. hear.) After a few words from Mr. CHAPMAN, Mr. HAWES proposed, as an amendment, that the words, " to inquire into the causes of distress," be added. Mr. GLADSTONE doubted the expediency of introducing the words which the Hon. Member for Lambeth had proposed into the motion. He thought that the word., if introduced, would lead to the belief that reciprocity treaties had caused the distress which existed in the shipping interests, and would lead the Committee into an inquiry into that subject. Mr. HUTT recommended his Hon. Friend the Member for Lambeth to withdraw his amendment. Ha (Mr. Hutt) wished to ask the Right lion. Gentleman oppos i te why it was that a return relating to the tonnage duties, on British ships in foreign ports, which he had moved fur last year, had not been produced. Mr. GLADSTONE said it required a great deal of time to make the returns required. They would, however, be made as ea r (1 1 N y uvi a Ar s possible. yLbTefEo before sk thisMES Committees id i t asw and lull be as fair desirable as po to s ihavepossible. I the S i i n r Mr. WAWN could assure the House that in the place which he had the honour to represent, the shipping interest was in a most deplorable state, and he trusted that the Com mittee would suggest some remedy for that distress. Lord PALMERSTON did not see any difference between the proposition of his Hon. Friend and that of the Hon. Gen tleman apposite. It had been said that if these words were in troduced, the Committee would be induced to go into the question of the policy of reciprocity treaties, and the necessity of those treaties. He thought it was obvious to everybody that no Committee would think it consistent with their duty to re open that question. The Right Hon. Gentleman apprehended that if tho words proposed by his Hon. Friend were adopted, either the Committee or the public out of doors would imagine that such was the intention of the proposer of the Committee. Now he (Lord P.) did not think there could be any objection to the introduction of the words. It appeared to him that inquiry was necessarily involved in the motion of the Hon. Gentleman opposite. He (Lord Palmerston) thought that if they inquired into the state of the mercantile navy, and if they were to in quire how to encourage and promote it, they must of necessity inquire into what was the cause of the distress. Unless the; a investigated the cause of the evil they could not propose any adequate remedy for that evil. It, therefore, seemed to him that the words suggested by his Hon. Friend were in eff et in cluded in the motion itself. It was a mere matter of words and not of substance. He ( Lord Palmerston) had risen for the purpose of alluding to the question of the Stade duties.. There had been very long negotiations on this subject. They wt re told twelve months ago that these negotiations were virtfaily brel.sn off, when they hadasked for papers en the subject they were told that the papers could not be produced while the nsgotia lens there pending. The negotiations had been defunct I'2 months, and he therefore now asked the Right Hon. Gentleman what had become of that unhappy negotiation, and whether the Go vernment could, without prejudice to the service, lay before Parliament papers which would show what had been done on the subject. Mr. GLADSTONE said the Noble Lord was quite correct in saying that there had been long negotiations, inasmuch as they had been in existence during twelve years of the Noble Lord's tenure of office.—( Hear, hear.) But the Noble Lord was not altogether correct in calling theni unhappy negotiations. He thought there were substantial reasons for congratulation on the part of the mercantile body of the country in respect of those negotiations, as arrangements had been concluded be tween her Majesty's Government and the King of Hanover, te r m s , they were not yet reduced to formal term as sense of th e details were at that moment in process of adjustmelt, but they were not in such a state as to enable the Gover t ip ent to lay any information on the subject at pres en t before theßnuse. At the same time he could give a plain a n d intelligNe ex pression of opinion with respect to this subject. He, thought he might safely say that the arragements which had been made would come into operation in October next. The,' Govern ment would be very glad wh en th e proper time shiStfltarrive to lay the papers connected with the subject before tile 'House s and he hoped they would be laid before the House in the court" of the present session. Lord PALMERSTON wished to know whether the ar. rangements which had been made would place the Stade tell at a maximun of 9-16th,. Mr. GLADSTONE must decline answering that qneetiou. Mr. M. GIBSON could not see what authority Hanover had for imposing any tolls at all. There were also the Sound dues, which required to be thoroughly sifted ; and be hoped the Committee would not lose sight of them. It was a readygetting rid of difficulti es , t o say t h at this or that wasnot comprehended in the notice. B u t h e t h ought that the n y cif motion of his Hon. Friend, the Member for Bolton, ought not to be met in that way. He hoped his Hon. Friend would not abandon the words of his motion which refereed to ships' stores. He hoped the House would not go into the inquiry with a notion that some parts of it were to be looked upon as religious questions not to be touched at all. The word's inex pedient" was a very vague, if not an unmeaning one; mad if his Hon. Friend did not insist upon adding these words to the motion, he would move their addition by way of amendment. Dr. BOWRING said he could not Pee any reason why the inquiry should not be made larger; and he hoped the Clouse would allow, him to move the addition of worts to the effe c t that it he an instruction to the Committee to inquire into th e effects of the duties npon the food, &c., of the persons employed in the commercial navy. Mr. HUME said that as the Government had agreed to a Committee for general inquiry, he would recommend his Hon, Friend to withdraw the amendment. Sir C. NAPIER expressed a hope that the Committee would not be a picked one. The motion was then agreed to. COMMITTAL OF A HAWKER. Mr. HUME rose to bring before the House the case of Alfred Moore, a licensed hawker, who was committed to prison for three months by the magistrates of Shrewsbury, on the 2d of may, 1843, upon the charge of obtaining alms under false pre tences. Moore was accosted by a policeman of the name of Thomas, who asked to see his license. Not having it about him, he required time to produce it ; but he was brought before the magistrates, and by them committed to prison for three months as a vagrant. The license was afterwards produced, and forwarded, with the petition to the Secretary of State. He (Mr. Hume) had seen both the documents. In fact, the poor man had no remedy but to apply to the Secretary of State, but the Right Hon. Gentleman when applied to said Moore might, • if he felt aggrieved, take an action against the magistrate; but that, with so pour a man, was out of the question. He had no idea of the extent of summary punishments by magistrates, and the extent of punishment which they in a summary man.. ner awarded to those who were brought before them. This poor man had a card on his person, on which were written the names of Lord Althorp and Mr. Smith, and certain sums of money were appended to these names. It was assumed by the magistrate that the prisoner had raised these sums h s , begging, whereas in reality they were the amounts of goods sold at the houses of these individuals. A begging letter had been brought forward by a lady, which it was alleged had been forw‘rded by Moore ; but if the magistrate had compared the writing on the card and the letter, he would have found that there was no similarity between them. He owned he had been altogether ignorant of the extent of summary jurisdic tion in this country, and the natute of the punishment in flicted. By the last returns it appeared that 72,000 persons were committed in a summary manner by the magistrates —not by the unpaid but by the paid magistracy —and if the case he now submitted to the House was a fair specimen of the mode in which these magistrates commonly adminstered justice, the sooner their power was abt idged the better ; and the sooner the matter was brought under the consideration of the Legislature the more advantageous to the public. By these returns 34,000 had been sentenced to one month's imprison ment; 21,621 to two months, and between one and two months imprisonment; 7,649 to between two and three months' imprisonment ; 6,106 to between three months' and six month,' imprisonment ; 796 to six months' imprisonment; and 169 to be fined and whipped, and confined for an unlimited period. The man had been punished for being drunk and insolent, but he (Mr. Hume) had been informed by the landlord of the house in which he lodged, and by another party who knew him, that he was a man of decidedly sober habits, and had never been seen drunk. As for the charge of insolence, the man's anger was naturally excited by the overbearing conduct of the policeman. He did not complain of the conduct of the Mayor, by whom he had been courteously treated, but he thought the Right Hen. Baronet, upon the represeutatitm made to him, would have directed an inspector of prisons, et• some other competent functionary, to inquire into the:case. The Hon. Member concluded by moving for a copy of the commitment of Alfred Moore, licensed hawker, at Shrewsbury, on the 2sl day of September, 1843. Air. DISRAELI said, that if the Hon. Member had given notice of his intention to bring so important a question as. that of the excreise of summary jurisdiction by the magis traey under the consideration of the House, somebody more prominent than himself would probably have thought it 'sera* while to reply to the Hon. Member. Perhaps even the Right Honourable Gentleman beneath him (Sir James Grit ham) would have condescended. Surely the Honourabie Member justified his opinion on very slight grounds, when he, adduced the isolated case of a Shrewsbury hawker. A num ber of his (Mr. ()Israeli's) constituents alarmed by the char g e which was about to he brought forward by so powerful an ad vocate as the Member for Montrose, came up to town not to wait upon their own representative, but to wait upon the Hon. Member, and to lay the real facts of the case before him. They were astounded at being informed by the Hon. Member that he intended to bring the subject before the House. They theta came to him (Mr. D'lsraeli) and asked what they should do He told them there was only one chance ; he thought it teals not impossible, from the observation he had made of the Ho - . 5 . Member's conduct during the time he had a seat in 14 4 . 1ia. merit, that he might misunderstand their case and Inise, ate his own.—( Great laughter.) It had turned out exact'• as he had. 'ne had brought anticipated. He had wholly mistaken the circure. st i teces that occurred, o ar d . T an h d ei entirely ri se m misunderstood r v the t h oas p:, e n distinc Lion had been made here. A person was convicted o who bad after wards an opportunity of appealing to the visiting magis trates, who would not interfere; the S ecretary of state had refused to interfere ; and now the case was brought t allege. before the House of Commons. The Hon. Gentleman had ; alleged a case of horrible injustice. He would state, in a fen words, what had occurred. A person, who appeared to bse a hawker, was called to account for being drunk and brawling l e the market-place. The Hon. Member said (as if t was a fact that could not be proved) that it was rumourert the nann was. drunk. In the depositions, it was sworn to, oy a reepectable, and intelligent man, that he was drunk. He Ives confined, and, though not imm e di a t e l y b rought be ore a magistrate, was seen by one ; he was held to bail s but good bail was re quired,etfarho ra d gt , eh w r[di h e i sa 'f oo fi l ifi t t h oho e e os Hon. oinma it tiu l s t rs . esi m o t h io, e i r .bto sai ht, d wi r oi c. 1 14.12: in cons equence o f certain }netters that were found upon ep ; dr a oo m vre o dd n e among orders forhbee m a r on cutlery ts. as at him w t a i twined Member for Salop, and of Mr. Field, the Town Clerk of Shrewsbury, so perfect in their imitation that they could snot be detected by any one not very well acquainted with **h e a r writing. The case was carefully investigated, the examina tion lasting the whole day. Mr. HUME—Who were the witnesses ? Mr. D'ISRAELI—The Hon. Member was proving himself even more ignorant of the case than he had iv,agined him. to be.—( Hear, hear.) The witnesses were s the officer who took him into custody—(" Hear, heae-," from Mr. Hume)—the head o f th e po li ce force-(" Near, hear," from Mr. Hume)—the county clerk—( Hear, heer)—the keeper of the ledging-house where the hawker had vtopped, and a female named Priscilla Rogers. This took . place in the month of September last. A l oca l print —not influenced by the Hon.. Member for Montrose, but one that certainly greatly admired( him—had said that this case vsas a consequence of having ma gistrates appointed by a Tory Government. But it happenedi that all the magistrates concerned in the ease had brew ap pointed by the late Government, or put on the bench by muni cipal influence. There could, therefore, be no part y , feeling in his vindication of their conduct. In fact, there never wit. , a ' case at any time, in any country, brought before Parliament bv any Member, even by the Hon. Member for Nlointrose himself, so singularly shabby.—( gear, hear.) It ve . , a case than , which the Hon. Member, even in the g reenest part of his rpubliccareer, when he brought forward cesse s o f gri evances from every part of the world—which generally ,1 turne e out the very reverse of what he represented tiler 4---even when he told. Mr. Canning that he was the greatest " allegator" in the' House—(Laughter)—had never brought forward one moue unfounded. He thought the House would decide as th gistrates, the visiting mag i strates, and the Secretaryera" o f ea r e l s had already decided,that the man k was ta en upasla br aw l er ; that in consequence of his possession of certain papers, a complicated fraud hail been discovered, and that he was, thereffere,treated as he deserved to be—according to the law of Enidand—com mitted to prison as a rogue and vagabond. He ' d ted the Hon. G ent l emen would have "I)" aye some shad ow of a case, and. that he would not now, this case having happ'etied in Septem ber, have to ask were there any witnesses a'. all. He was sure tho mayor or the town clerk, with whom he was in constant communication, would give him an answ er on this point.' He could not doubt that the House would negative the motion. Mr. COLLETT (Athlone) wisher% to know from the Hon. Gentleman for what offence this person had been taken up and. imprisoned. Mr. D'ISRAELI said he was • saken'up for being drunk in blew marketplace, and was convict'ed for living as a rogue and as vagabond. Mr. HUME said that if bold assertions were to carry a main though, the Hon. Gentleman had done his beet.—(Laughter.) If perversion of the facts—no doubt, done unwittingly EaDth unintentionally —were to suffice, the Hone Gentleman had donee justice to the case. But he asked the Right Hon. Gentleman: the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he concurred in the view of the Hon. Gentleman? When that Right Hon. Gentleman was applied to, be said he could do nothing—that the person had no remedy except to bring_ an action at law. That showed the opinion of the Right P.ou„ Gentleman was that this individual had been injured. This person was taken up, because it was alleged that he wa!a drunk. That was denied by four persons, and be was toneitted on the. single testimony of the policeman who took k; usa up . H e• thought the greatest injustice had been done This individual s , and he hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman vrou'id not approve oZ the manner in which he had been treated. Sir J. GRAHAM said that, as the, non. Gentleman bad referred to him, he would make it few observations on the matter. To the best of his recAlect!lon, this person had sent th e petition to him (Sir J. Gralvart) while he was in prison, begging him to extend the mercy of the Crown to him, and to liberate him. He referred to the convicting magistrates; and the mayor, who 410 a ',magistrate chosen by popular election,, informed him of the facts, which were almost identical witlPs those stated by the Hon. Gentleman behind him. This peillesie was drunk in the market-place of Shrewsbury, when o.te policeman came up, and being abusive and disorderly:he was put into prison, an d was convicted on the sworn testimony of this oftcer. He considered it most unsatisfactory to arrive at a conclusion on ex parte statements, as the Hon. Blembia for• Montrose seemed to have done. He was apprehende d and: taken to the station-house, la the station-how be %sues I