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THE REFORM ASSOCIATION CALLS upon ALL REFORMERS throughout the KINGDOM, to CO-OPERATE with them in OBTAINING a FULL and HONEST RE GISTRATION of every PERSON qualified for the ELECTIVE FRANCHISE under the Pro visions of the REFORM ACTS. THE ELECTIONS CAN ONLY BE GAINED BY VI GILANT ATTENTION TO THE REGISTRATION OF VOTERS. NO PERSON CAN VOTE UNLESS DULY REGISTERED. PLAIN DIRECTIONS:- FOR COUNTIES. If you have a qualification for a County Vote, and your name is not on the present Register, you must on or before THE TWENTIETH DAY OF JULY, deliver or send to one of the Overseers of the Parish or Township where the pro perty which gives you the Qualification is situated, a claim to have your name put on the Overseer's List of Voters, and with the claim there must be given Is. This claim must be in the proper form, and you must take care that your Qualification is correctly stated. If .your name is on the Register, but you have parted with the property for which you were registered, then you must make a new claim for the property which now gives you a Qualification. If your name is on the Registei, but 'you have changed the place of your residence, you must make a new claim, stating the place where you now reside. Remember, that these claims must be given to the Overseer of the Parish or Township where the property which gives you the Qualification is situated, and your name must be on the List of that Parish or Township. Take care, then, to ascer tain whether your name is on the List of the proper Parish or Township. For this purpose you, or some friend for you, should exa mine the List, which will be placed on the Church doors on the two first Sundays in August, and which may also be seen every day in the two first weeks of August, by applying to any one of the Overseers of the proper Parish or Township ; such Overseer is bound to show the List, and allow it to be read, without being paid anything. If you find that your name is not on the List, or that it is on the List, but has got the word objected placed against it, or if you find that there is some mistake as to your name, or as to your place of residence, or description of the property, or if any person gives you a notice of objection to your Vote, you, or some one for you, must attend the Revising Barrister to prove your right, and have any mistake corrected. If you know of any bad Votes on any Overseer's List, you should take care that these bad votes be objected to, and this must be done on or before the 25th of August. Attend particularly to these dateS : THE 20th OF JULY is the last day on which A CLAIM can be rfceiced by the Overseers. THE 25th OF AUGUST is the last day on which • OBJECTIONS can be made. FOR CITIES AND BOROUGHS. If you are qualified to have a Vote for a City or Borough, as an occupier of premises of the yearly value of 101., you must pay, ON OR BEFORE the 20th O . F JULY, all your Poor's Rates and Assessed Taxes payable for those premises to the 6th OF APRIL LAST, or you will not be entitled to have a Vote. It will be no excuse for you that the Coilector of Taxes, or Parish Officer, has not DEMANDED payment. Examine the List of Voters of the Parish or Township wler e your premises are situated, which List will be placed on the Church doors in that Parish or Township on the two first Sundays in August, and which may also be seen any day in the two first weeks in August, by applying to one of the Overseers of that Parish or Township. Such Overseer is bour.d to show the List, and allow it to be read, without being paid anything. If you find that your name is not o❑ the List, you must, on or before the 25th of August, deliver or send to one of the Overseers of the proper PariAt or Township, a claim to have your name put on the List. That claim must be in the proper form, and you, or some ose fbr you, ina•l attend the 12.,vising Barrister, to prove yo.tr right. fi you find that your name is on the List, but that there is some mistake as to your name, or as to the description of the p - i'emises, in that case you must attend before the Revising Barrister, to have the mistake corrected. _ _ If you know of any bad Votes on any Overseers's List, you should take care that these bad Votes be objected to, and this must be done on or &Are the 25th Auyust. Examine also the List of Objections, which ulil be piked on the doors of the Church of the Parish or To%7nship where your premises are situate, on the, two first Sundays in September, and which may also be seen on application to any one of the Overseers of that Parish or Township, on any day after the 4th of Septem ber, and before the 15th of Septenabfr. Such Overseer is bound to show the List, and allow it to be read, without being paid anything. -If you find your name in this List of Objections, you, or some one ,for you, must attend before the Revising Barrister, to nrove your right. The following dates must be particularly attended to THE 20th OF JULY is the last day for PAYMENT of Poor Rates and Assessed Taxes. TIIE 25th QF AUGUST is the last day to claim for yourself, if omitted from the List, or to object to any bad Vote. COUNTIES. SUGGESTIONS FOR REGISTRATION ASSOCIA. TIONS IN COUNTIES. The object of such Associations is, first, to effect the most complete registration that is practicable of all persons in the Liberal interest, qualified by law, to vote at elections of Mem bers of Parliament for Counties ; secondly, to protect the Liberal cause from any illegal registration by the Tories. To effect these important ends on precisely the same plan in all Counties, may, from various local circumstances, be diffi cult ; but, wherever it can be accomplished, a uniform system is extremely desirable. For this purpose, it is recommended that Central, District, and Local Committees should be formed. CENTRAL COMMITTEE. In all Counties, or Divisions of Counties, a Central Com mittee should be formed, with which all District Committees should act in unison. The place of meeting of such Central Committee should be the County Town (where there is one in the Division), or the City or Town of the largest population. Every Central Committee should have a Chairman, a De puty Chairman, a Secretary, and a Treasurer. DUTIES OF CENTRAL COMMITTEE. The duties of each Central Committee will be -Ist. Generally to superintend the entire registration of the County or Division. 2nd: To insure the formation of a District Committee at the most convenient place in each polling district. 3rd. To furnish each District Committee with all legal forms for claims or objections in respect of votes. 4th. To circulate in each district, manuals and other infor mation useful to Electors. sth. To make adequate preparation in the week imme diately following the first Sunday in September, for the ap proaching revision of votes by the Barristers throughout the whole County or Division. An Annual Meeting of the Central Committee and a De putation from each of the District Committees should take place early in the month of June ; and such Annual Meeting should be held in the most convenient locality. At such Meetings the necessary arrangements for the Annual registra tion of the Counties may be considered, and planned. A skeleton map of each County or Division should be printed or lithographed by each Central Committee ; distinguishing the names and divisions of the parishes ; affixing to each parish a number corresponding with the schedule on the margin of the map ; and leaving columns for the entry of their respec tive number of voters. DISTRICT COMMITTEES. In each polling district a District Committee should be formed, which should have a Chairman, a Deputy Chairman, a Secretary, and a Treasurer. Each District Committee should form its own fund, restricted to its local objects. DUTIES OF DISTRICT COMMITTEES. The duties of the District Committees are -Ist. Generally to superintend the registration in their severa polling districts. 2d. To ensure throughout the whole of their District the for mation of such Local Committees for one or more parishes, as may be found convenient. 3d. To furnish to each Local Committee legal forms of claim and objection. 4th. To circulate in each District useful manuals for electors. sth. To promote and enforce, by every means in their power Meetings of each Local Committee at the proper times, and for the purposes hereinafter mentioned. eth. To communicate to the Central Committee all the infor mation necessary to a careful revision of the Voters. LOCAL COMMITTEES. The Duties of the Local Committees are._ Ist. To investigate without delay the register of the past year, so far as it applies to their own parish or parishes ; to consider the qualifications of those already registered ; and to collect the names, qualifications, and residences of qua lified persons not registered. 2nd. To meet in the first week of July, for the purpose of giving notice to all qualified persons of the parish not registered, of the period required by lacy far sending in claims ; and for the purpose of ensuring that such claims are sent in, on their behalf, before the 20th of July. 3rd. To meet in the first week of August, for the purpose of carefully going through the new lists made by the Over seers, and of objecti ng to persons inserted therein, who are not entitled to b voters ; also for the purpose of ascertaining whether any persons who have made claims, or who were in the last register, are omitted from the list. . To take care that proper notices of objection arc pre pared and duly served, on or before the 25th day of August. sth. To meet immediately after the first Sunday in Septem ber, for the purpose of ascertaining the means of defending the votes of persons to whom objections have beer, taken ; and to report to the District Committee upon all claims and objec tions which are to be heard before the Revising Barristers. N. B.—Where Local Committees are not formed, the Dis trict Committees must perform the duties assigned to the Local Committees. GENERAL OBSERVATIONS. In counties, or divisions of counties, containing two chief towns, it may be desirable to have two Central Committees, one for each surrounding - division. Each Central Co:nmittee should procure a copy of the last poll, and an interleaved copy of the register, in which all the returns of the District Committees should be entered. Each District and Local Committee should be furnished by the Central Committee with two interleaved copies of their part of the register, each voter's last poll being marked on the margin of one copy. Each District Committee should also be sup plied with a map.: Each Committee should enter, on the interleaved copies of their district register, notes of all information as to the death or disqualification of voters. And one of these copies should be transmitted by each Local Committee to the District Committee, in the first week in July ; together with a list of all persons of reform principles qualified, but not registered, so far as they have been able to ascertain them. The printed lists of persons qualified to act as jurymen will give great assistance in ascertaining who are qualified to be on the list of voters. These lists may be generally had in each parish. FORMS WILL BE SUPPLIED TO THE CEN TRAL COMMITTEES, ON APPLICATION TO THE REFORM ASSOCIATION, 3, CLEVELAND-ROW, LONDON; And large or small quantities may be purchased at a cheap rate from Messrs. RIDGWAY, Piccadilly. IMPERIAL, PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS, JULY 4. The House was occupied up to five o'clock in hearing evidence on the Stafford Disfranchisement Bill. ROYAL COMMISSION. His Majesty's Assent was given by Commission, consisting of the Lord Chancellor, Lord Shaftesbury, and Lord Duncannon, to the following Bills ; viz. the Sugar Duties Bill, Revenue Securities Bill, Bankrupts' Estates Bill, Dublin Police Bill, Waste Lands (Ireland) Bill, British North American Bank Bill, Dublin Steam-packet Company Bill, the Liverpool Fire Police Bill, Sheffield and Rotherham Railway Bill, Hayle Railway Bill, Manchester and Leeds Railway Bill, North of England Railway Bill, London and Cambridge Railway Bill, London and Norwich Railway Bill, Dundee and Newtyle Railway Bill, North Midland Railway Bill, London Grand Junction Railway Bill, Thames Haven Railway and Dock Bill, Galway Town Improvement Bill, Herne Bay Pier Bill, Parrett Naviga tion Bill, Suir Navigation Bill, Aberavon Harbour Bill, Sidmouth Harbour Bill, Rochester Canal Bill, Tralce Harbour Bill, Bann Reservoirs Bills, Wessenden Rerser voirs Bills, Nene Outfall Bill, Southampton Waterworks Bill, Tolcross Gas and Water Bill, Haverfordwest Bridge Bill, Glasgow Bridge Bill, Shotts Road and Hamilton Bridge Bill, Dewsbury and Ealand Road Bill, Shrewsbury School Bill, Earl of Abergavenny's Estate Bill, Bradshaw's Estate Bill, Thring's Estate Bill, Lockhart's Estate Bill, Etwall Hospital Bill, Heneage's Estate Bill, Milliken Es• tate Bill, Earl of Courtoun's Estate Bill, Baldon (Oxford) Allotment Bill. JEWISH DISABILITIES. The Earl of MORLEY presented a petition from Ply mouth, praying for the removal of the Civil Disabilities al fecting the Jews. SCOTCH UNIVERSITIES. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH presented a petition from some place in Scotland against the Scotch Universities Bil) BRIGHTON RAIL ROADS. Lord LYNDHURST presented a petition from Brigh ton, praying the House not to pass the London and Brigh ton Railway Bill (Stephenson's line). The adoption of any one line at this moment would preclude the adoption of a better line at a future period. The Duke of RICHMOND had to present a petition from the same place in favour of Stephenson's line. The petitioners had affixed their residences to the petition. He was also informed, but it - was the old story of these peti tions, that many of those who had signed the petition presented by the Noble and Learned Lord had no connection with the town of Brighton. Lord LYNDHURST said that the petitioners had an ticipated the charge made by the Noble Duke, and he had been directed to assure their Lordships that there was no foundation for such a charge. The Duke of RICHMOND would take that opportu nity of moving that the Bill be read a second time. There need be no discussion, as all the parties might be heard before the Committee. Lord MONSON presented a petition in favour of the Bill. Lord L'INDHURST presented a petition, signed by 8,000 inhabitants of Brighton, which no doubt would be to the taste of the Noble Duke, as the residence of each sub scriber was affixed to his name, praying that no line of Railway might be adopted by their Lordships which had a tunnel. ..... On the motion of the Duke of RICHMOND the Lon don and Brighton Railway Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday next. IRISH TITHES. The Marquis of CLAN RICARDE presented petitions from Meath, Armagh, and Westmeath, praying for the abolition Of tithes. BRITISH AUXILIARIES IN SPAIN. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said he should postpone the motion of which he had given notice relative to the affairs of Spain. ' IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT. In answer to a question from Lord LYNDHURST, The LORD CHANCELLOR fixed the second rea' ing of the Abolition of Imprisonment for Debt Bill f Friday next. BRIGHTON AND LONDON RAILWAY. The Duke of RICHMOND, in movinc , the sec reading of the Brighton and London Railwa;Bill, said ti he would fix the Committee for Wednesday. Lord MONSON said that, as it was usual to allow interval of two clear days between the various stages these Bills, he should move that the Committee be fiat• for Thursday next. The House then divided, when the numbers were— For the Original Motion l6 For the Amendment l5 Majority —l TRANSFER OF PROPERTY BILL. __ Lord LYNDHURST, in moving the second reading of this Bill, said that he believed no opposition would be offered to it, as it was founded upon the Report of the Real Property Commission, and had met with the univer sal approbation of the profession. The evil of the present law was, that it applied an ancient institution to a new sys tem of things. The object of the present Bill was to les sen the prolixity and the intricacy of the questions relating to the conveyance of property which now came before the Courts of Law. He would give the House one or two in stances. A conveyence was usually made by lease and re lease. It was necessary to have the lease in the first in stance, in order to enable the party to take the release. By the present Bill this would be effected by one deed in stead of two. In a conveyance of a party to himself and his wife, it was first necessary to convey to a trustee, and then to the original party, and to his wife. By the present Bill one deed would be substituted for the two. The House would have full opportunity to consider the details in Committee, and he therefore hoped that no opposition would be offered to the second reading. The Lord CHANCELLOR said that he entirely agreed in the principle of the measure. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Thursday. CHURCH DISCIPLINE BILL. The Lord CHANCELLOR said that he hoped their Lordships would suffer this Bill to pass through Committee pro forma, and reserve their amendments for a future stage. Lord ELLENBOROUGH objected to the clauses respecting juries. He thought the Bill ought more dis tinctly to state the manner in which the juries would be selected. He had prepared several clauses on this sub ject, which he hoped the House would not object to have printed. The Bishop of EXETER said that he had also prepared some clauses to correct what he considered one of the crying evils of the Church. He alluded to the difficulty of proceeding against delinquent clergymen, in consequence of the enormous costs. He should propose some plan of pre cognition, to have the effect of the finding of a grand jury, and that means should be devised to do away with the diffi culty of proceeding with such charges. Lord WYNFORD complained of the clause which subjected prosecutors to costs in case the prosecution failed ; but expressed himself generally favourable to the measure, and anxious that, after it had been amended in a few par ticulars, it should be allowed to pass. He hoped, then, that the Noble Lord on the Woolsack would consent either to such a postponement as would afford him suffi cient time to prepare his amendments, or do that which he considered the better course, viz., to send the Bill to a Select Committee up stairs, not, however, he could assure their Lordships, with any view on his part to the final re jection of the measure, which he trusted might be rendered highly serviceable to the interests of the Church. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY was obliged to the Noble Lord for the assistance which he was ready to afford in the amendment of this Bill ; but it appeared to him that the Noble Lord, though be decidedly expressed his ap probation of the Bill, had, nevertheless, at the same time objected to every part of it, and, in some respects, he thought rather unfairly. The clause of which he had complained in particular was no departure from the ancient law, but actually in accordance with the present custom at Doctors' Commons. For his own part, however, he was disposed to support that proposition, because it was necessary that some security should be afforded to Clergymen against malicious and un founded prosecutions. He was acquainted with several instances in which the want of some remedy of the nature now proposed had been attended with grievous and oppres sive effects upon parties who had been unjustly accused. He had himself, when Bishop of London, been engaged in a case respecting the patronage of a school, in which a ca veat had been entered ag'ainst hislicense, which he forbore :o sign until it should be determined to whom the right be longed. The prosecutor who commenced this case was THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, JULY 5, 1836. not, at the conclusion of it, in any way before the Court, and he (the Archbishop of Canterbury) was accordingly left to pay the costs to the amount of 701. or 80/. He had no objection to the postponement of the Committee ; his object was to get as good a Bill as possible, and he knew not how that could be better effected than by hav ing all the amendments pri n ted, for the consideration of the House. —(Hear, hear.) Lord LYNDHURST wished to call their attention to one part of this measure. It appeared that the mode of proceeding, according to the Bill, was to be this :—A ci tation was to be issued to the party charged, then the charge given in writing, and the answer to that charge was then to be given in ; ater which a jury would be summoned to try the case. But suppose the charge was not a valid charge in law, what would be the consequence of that pro position? Why, that the jury would have to deal with a matter entirely out of their province, for the object of a jury was to decide questions of fact, and not points of law. Their Lordships knew that in such cases at common law the proceeding was by a demurrer. After a protracted conversation, in which Lords Wyn ford, Langdale, Ellenborough, the Lord Chancellor, the Archbishop of Canterbury, and the Bishop of Exeter took part, the Bill passed through Committee pro fornza, and was directed to loe re-committed on Monday next. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, JULY 4. The SPEAKER took the Chair at a Quarter to Four Mr. SHIRLEY, the new Member for South Warwick shire, in the room of the late Mr. Sheldon, was introduced by Lord HOTHAM and Sir G. CLERK. Sir HENRY PARNELL brought up the Report of the Committee on the Holyhead Road Bill. Mr. BROTHERTON presented three petitions from operatives in Blackburne and Preston, praying for an effective Ten Hours' Factory Bill. Mr. MAXWELL brought in the Hand Loom Weavers' Bill, which was read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. Mr. WARBURTON preiented a petition from a gen tleman of the name of Thompson, who had invented a new mode of lighting light-houses. He had been employed by the, Corporation of the Trinity House to light the South Fore land. What the petitioner complained of was, that after being employed for upwards of three months, a report had come up that an explosion had taken place, and that the light-house had taken fire. Instead of being confronted with the keeper of the light-house, nothing further had been said to him, and therefore no opportunity whatever had been given to him of stating what he thought necessary. All that the peti tioner required was that the Company should employ him upon a new light-house, and that that employment should be under such inspection as would save him from the danger of not having his invention properly investigated. The Hon. Member hoped that the Hon. Member opposite (Mr. Chapman), who was a member of the Trinity House, would explain the subject. Mr. A. CHAPMAN agreed with the Han. Member as to the necessity and importance of paying due regard to the subject of this petition ; but he was bound to say that there were no grounds for the statements of the present petition. This Gentleman had had an opportunity of try ing the experiment of lighting these light-houses, but it had failed—as might have - been expected an explosion took place which almost blew off the lantern, destroyed twenty one windows of the thickest plate glass, and threw them all at once into Cimmerian darkness.—( A laugh.) If a ship were at that moment going through the Godwin Sands, and found itself in utter darkness, and the ship were conse quently lost, would not the Hon. Member ( Mr.W.) rise in his place, and call them to an account for allowing this exhi bition to go on, when they were convinced that the exhibi tions of the lights, as they were, were as perfect as they could be ? With regard to the expense which the peti tioner had been put to, he (Mr. Chapman) was bound to say that he had been paid these expenses, besides rec(iving -350/. for his time and trouble. But the plan of the peti tioner, as it came originally before them, was for the purpose of upsetting the present system of lighting by . means of gas, &c. had' been told to put down anything like a moderate compensation and it would be allowed. The sum he had named was so large, that if they had allowed it, the Hon. Member for Middlesex would have been the first to have started up, and denounced against such a waste of the public money. Mr. WARBUItTON was not satisfied with the ex planation of his Hon. Friend. Why had not the light keeper been called before the inventor, and an examination taken before the Trinity Board, at which the in ventor was present? That was what was only due to the inventor, and it was the course he would still recom mend them to adopt. He (Mr. W.) did not commend the Trinity House for having had the experiment made in an actual light-house ; they shouldhave had the experiment made on shore first, when they would have seen how it answered. He would still recommend the Corporation to establish that light house on shore, there to con tinue a fair trial of the discovery of this gentleman, being satisfied the discovery was of such importance, that ere long it would be the only method that could be adopted in this or any other country. Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON was also of opinion that the experiment should not be made upon an existing :ight-house, as, if the light was suddenly extinguished, a whole fleet might be lost.---( Hear, hear.) It appeared to that in justice to the individual, a full and fair examina tion of the discovery should have taken, place. ABOLITION OF TITHES. Mr. S. CRAW FORD presented a petition from the spirit dealers of Bangor (County Down) against the hours appointed for opening and shutting public-houses by the new Excise Act ; from Dromore (Tyrone) against the Lords'Amendments to the Corporation Bill ; from the same place, praying for the total extinction of tithes, and the more just distribu tion of the revenue of the Church Lands ; and from Drum cree (Armagh) and Omy and Ballindoon (Galway) pray inr, for the total extinction of tithes. The Hon. Member then gave notice, that at an early period next session he should again brillg before the House a proposition for the total extinction of tithes, and for the sale of the fee of the Church Lands ; that the profits of such sale should first be applied to compensate tithe owners, lay and eccle siastical. Secondly, the remainder to the moral and reli gious education of the whole people of Ireland ; and that as an equivalent for the remission of the tithe assessment, a tax should be imposed on rents and real property in Ireland for the relief and employment of the poor. The Hon. Member also presented petitions from Dundalk (Louth) and Dromore (Tyrone), in favour of the Landlord and Tenant (Ireland) Bill. The Hon. Member stated that this Bill had been on the orders of the House for several months, night after night, but the precedence of other or ders always precluded its discussion. At this advanced pe riod of the Session, he considered it would be useless to press the discussion, as he had 'reason to understand consi derable opposition would be made from different quarters. He, therefore, would withdraw the Bill for the present ; but gave notice, that early next Session, if he continued to have a seat in that House, be should move for a Select Committee to inquire into the Law of Landlord and Tenant in Ireland, and to report whether any or what alterations or improvoments were required in that law. Mr. WODEHOUSE gave notice that when the House went into Committee on the Charitable Trusts Bill, he should move the introduction of clauses for granting com pensation in certain cases. On the motion of Mr. FINN, a return of the number and character of outrages reported to the Irish Government was ordered to be laid before the Housft. Mr. PEASE presented a petition from a place in the county of Durham, against the tithe on fish. Sir E. CODRINGTON presented a petition from Da venport, praying for a revision of the Vestries' Acts ; and one from an individual, praying that bonded corn might be allowed to be ground for exportation. It would be much for the benefit of the trade of this country if such was the law, for grain was now ground in Hamburgh and Dantzic, brought here as flour, and then sent to our West India colonies. Mr. ROBINSON supported the prayer of the petition. If the Government did not feel themselves authorised to introduce a measure next session, by the report of the Agricultural Committee, he would himself introduce one. JEWISH DISABILITIES. Alderman THOMPSON presented a petition from Sun derland, praying for the removal bf the Jewish Disabilities. He would give his support to the Bill of the Chancellor of the Exchequer on this subject.—(Hear.) The Hon. Member also presented a petition from the same place, pray ing for the abolition of Church-rates. Mr- FLEETWOOD presented a petition from Preston, praying for certain alterations in the Poor Laws' Act, re lating to the Bastardy Clauses. CHURCH LIVINGS. Mr. R. COLBORNE presented a petition from the acting procurator of Wells, praying that a compensation clause might be introduced into any law that might be passed for the regulation of ecclesiastical matters, whereby his interests would be in any degree affected. Mr. DANIEL WHITTLE HARVEY presented four petitions from Bury and Manchester, praying for a Ten Hours' Factory Bill ; from Halifax praying for the Total Repeal of the Stamp Duties on Newspapers ; from the medical practitioners of Colchester, praying for compensation to them upon Coroners' Inquests ; from the retailers of beer in the borough of Southwark, for an equalization of the hours for the sale of beer ; also a similar petition from Roxburgh ; also a petition from the Surrey Radical Association, for the total repeal of taxes, and that their value might be applied to the support of the poor ; also a petition from the great Radical Association, held at the Mechanics' Institute, Mary lebone, complaining of no good having been effected under the Reform Bill, to ameliorate the condition of the poor ; also a petition for the total repeal of the Duties on News papers, from the parish of St. Martin, Norwich. Sir A. LEITH HAY presented a petition from South Mims, in favour of the Scotch Reform Bill. Sir G. SINCLAIR presented a petition against the Maynooth College. The Hon. Baronet gave notice that he should draw the attention of the House , to the subject when the Irish Miscellaneous Estimates were brought forward. Mr. HARVEY presented a petition from Radnor, stat ing that several manors in that county had been sold at an under-value. In proof of this he would mention that in the case of the property bought by Mr. Watts, formerly alluded to by him, many tenants had been induced to attorn. He considered the prayer of the petition ought to be com plied with, namely, that the dealing with this estate by private contract should be the subject of a special exa mination. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the names of the petitioners, or a great number of them, were actually in the hand-writing of Mr. Parsons himself. Mr. HARVEY considered the statement just made by his Majesty's Attorney-General as an additional ground for inquiry. He had never seen Mr. Parsons, but he thought he ought not to be thus attacked and prejudiced by the high stamp of the Attorney-General, and therefore he should move, if that gentleman wrote to him wishing it, that he should be examined at the bar of the House. IRISH CHURCH BILL. _ Mr. DUNLOP presented a petition from Ayr, signed by 7,000 individuals, praying the House to retain the appropriation clause in the Irish Church Bill. LORDS' AMENDMENTS. Lord CLEMENTS presented a petition from Leitrim against the Lords' Amendments. IRISH TITHES. Mr. MONTESQ UE BELLEW presented a petition from the County of Louth, praying for the total abolition of tithes. EDINBURGH MAIL. The ATTORNEY -GENERAL presented petitions from Edinburgh, praying for an acceleration of the mail between London and Edinburgh. Mr. HENRY GRATTAN presented a petition from the county of Longford, signed by the High Sheriff and 5,000 inhabitants, praying for the abolition of tithes. Mr. Sergeant JACKSON presented several petitions against the appropriation clause in the Irish Tithe Bill. SECULAR JURISDICTION (YORK AND ELY.) On the motion of the ATTORNEY-GENERAL the House went into Committee on the Secular Jurisdic tion (York and Ely) Abolition Bill. Some compensation clauses were added, and the House resumed. Mr. F. SHAW presented a petition against the Irish Tithe Bill. . _ _ ...... ........ A ... Message from the Lords summoned the House of Commons to hear the Royal Assent given by Commission to several Bills. . _ The SPEAKER, accompanied by several Members, imme. diately quitted the House. The SPEAKER having returned, Sir G. SIN CL AIR iose for the purpose of asking the Go iernment some question with respect to the appropriation clause, but the Hon. Baronet spoke in such a low tone of voice that it was impossible for us in the Gallery to hear two consecutive sentences. He was replied to very shortly by the Chancellor of the Exchequer in the same tone of voice, so that the matter was wholly lost. Mr. POWER presented a petition for the total abolition of tithes from inhabitants of Davidstown, county of Wex ford ; and a petition from some place in favour of Corporate Reform. STAMP DUTIES. Mr. ROBINSON wished to know if the Chancellor of the Exchequer could name a day when it was his inten tion to go into the Stamp Duties Bill ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was utterly impossible for him at the present moment to name any day. IRISH CHURCH BILL. The House, on the motion of Lord MoitrETH, went into Committee on the Irish Chureh Bill. Upon clause 50 being put, Lord IVIA HON said if this clause had been discussed in a proper spirit, it might have been discussed in a satis factory manner to all parties ; but as the House had arrived now at a point of principle, he must say, after the fullest discussion, he thought the principle of inalienability of Church property admitted of no compromise. Upon that principle he should stand ; and upon that principle he moved that the 50th and the 51st clauses be omitted. In the discussions that had taken place upon that ques tion, it had been asserted by one party that the Irish Church Establishment had been 'so negligent or so cor rupt, that it was not deserving of the same consi deration as the English Church. Others again rested their objections solely on the ground of the great dispro portion between the Roman Catholic and Protestant population. He (Lord Mahon) was not prepared to assert that the Church had been at all times free from blame. He presumed that the Protestant religion was the cause of truth, and it might be objected that it had not made that progress which might be expected from such a cause. But to this be would reply, that the difference in language and lawless habits of the people in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, and the operation of the Penal Laws in the 18th, had interfered with the exertions of the Protestant Clergy. If the Dissenters in a parish in England happened to be more numerous than the members of the Church of Eng land, would that, he asked, be an argument for making an alteration in the system ?—(Hear, hear.) Were there not many institutions in our Constitution which they admitted to be anomalous ? Let them, for instance, take the case of property—when it would be found that, while some men possessed 50,0001. a-year, a man of the greatest virtue and attainments had not a roof to cover his head. The property in Ireland was greater in proportion than the population was Catholic. A commutation of tithes would therefore place the burden upon the Protestant property, and not upon the population. That would remove the anomaly : the anomaly would be greater if the Church were assimilated to the population, for then the Church would be supported by nineteen-twentieths of those who were hostile to it. He took his stand upon the speech of the Noble Lord the Member for Lancashire (Stanley). The details of the question were there most ably discussed. The case of Prussia had been mentioned. Now, what was the fact ? Prussia was a despotic government, in which proselytism was punished by imprisonment. How would Hon. Members like the idea of seeing a Protestant clergy man taken to the county gaol for havinc , warned his flock against transubstantiation, and a Catholic clergyman for having warned his flock against heresy ? Such a state of the law was incompatible with the nature of our institutions. He would conclude by beseeching of those impartial Members to whom he appealed not to look to the triumph of a party, and neglect a national benefit. Mr. PO ULTER denied that the Bill, as it stood, would trench improperly on Church property. It was mere mockery and deception of those on the Opposition side to talk of Church Reform, or any other Reform. They never thought of reform until it was thrust upon them, as was proved by their conduct on the Municipal Bill, the Reform Bill, and every other measure of amelioration and improvement. They never recognised an abuse until they were compelled to do so. The Bill before the House was a far more advantageous one for the Church than the Church Temporalities Act. It was framed on a new principle, and did not trench on vested rights, nor deal in reductions. It was, however, to be hoped, notwithstanding the present opposition of the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Mahon), that as he came to discuss the principle of population, and made it, however distantly, an ingredient of his argument, that he would eventually come up to the measure of the Government. —( Hear, hear, and cheers.) He was sure as his existence that Hon. Members on the other side must come over to the principle. With regard to the relative position of the two Houses be would say one word. If both Houses 'always agreed there would be no use of the other House ; but then the differences between them should be of details, not prin ciple. There should be a general agreement at the same time that one House watched and amended the errors of the other ; but as the Houses were at present placed it was a state of hopeless hostility. The House of Lords had thrown out every measure beneficial to Ireland which had been introduced during the session. The question then was how to remedy this state of things? A new creation of Peers was out of the question.—( Hear, hear.) To meet the present difficulty they should be created, ...-......-." Not in single files, ; in ' the House of He was opposed to any Bourgtainnibcatlaalinognes. Lords. He was opposed to the doctrine of the Hon. and Learned Member for Kilkenny on this subject_( Hear, hear) —but after the unfair treatment which that Hon. and Learned Gentleman and his country had received, allowance should be made for his vehemence. He wished the Lords to retain their privileges, but be hoped to see those privileges better exercised. Mr. PLUMPTRE was understood to say that the measure proposed by Ministers would tend to the destruction of the Established Church in Ireland. It was a measure which would give one party a triumph at the expense of another. Mr. E. TENNENT would not follow the example of the lion. Member for Shaftesbury (Mr. Poulter) in discuss.. ing its details, as well because he regarded it as a waste of time to protract the debate on a measure which all parties admitted could never pass into a law so long as this appropria tion clause was retained—(hear, hear)—as because in its other main provisions but little difference of opinion existed in the House. He, of course, excepted those extraordinary provi sions for wiping away the tithe arrears, which were at present accruing due, and for exempting the landlords of tenants at will from those liabilities which were now imposed upon them by Lord Stanley's Act, and under which the greater majority of them had already charged themselves with the tithes of their estates. Lord M OR PET H explained—They , were struck out. Mr. E. TE NNE NT continued—H e could state from per.• sonal knowledge that it was less popular at the present moment, after two years' consideration, than it was at its first intro duction in the last Session of Parliament. Was it justice to Ireland to keep open this fertile cause of discontent, fos tering and irritating from year to year, for no other assign able object than the retention in place of one set of men who could not effect a satisfactory adjustment to the exclusion of others who could ? Above all, was it justice to the poor Irish tithepayers who had it in their power for some time past to *btain an abatement of from 20 to 30 per cent., which the titheowners were willing to pay them, in consideration of the increased facilities of collecting their income, which an equi table commutation would afford them—was it fair and just he would say, to them, to declare that they must forego this advantage, because the abstract resolution of 1835 prohibited them from enjoying it ? He (Mr. Tennent) knew that those were considerations which now occupied the minds of men out of doors who last session were eager for the adoption of the appropriation clause, and he felt satisfied that in that House there was no party more anxious for the abandonment of that clause than the partisans of the Right Hon. Gentle men who occupied the opposite bench, provided any decent expedient could be " devised for shaking off their engage ment." The Noble Lord who introduced this Bill ( Lord Morpeth) professed to regard it as a measure of Reform, and not as a project of destruction ; and he (Mr. E. Tennent) had no reason to question the sincerity of his profession ; but was there any man in his senses who knew the real condi tion of Ireland who would say that such were the feelings with which it was regarded by the Roman Catholics of Ireland ? The Noble Lord was a stranger in Ireland, and placed in a position with regard to it above all others obnoxious to mis representation and deception, and he might possibly be per suaded of the reality of a spirit of moderation which did not exist ; but those who were in habits of association with the people, and who heard the indignant expression of their feel ings and objects, know too well the extent to which they were disposed to carry every measure of (so called) Church Reform. However those sentiments might have been concealed during the previous Administrations, they had been avowed since the present Ministry came into office, and, above all, since the passing of the appropriation resolution, with a boldness which amply evinced a belief, whether well or ill founded, in a cor respondent sympathy on the part of the Government. At the present moment it was chiefly as a question of principle, and not as a question of amount, that the present proposition was especially formidable. As a matter of finance, the 50,0001. which it proposed to alienate was too contemptible in itself to afford grounds for contention on the part of the Roman Ca tholics. What they asserted was the precedent of confiscation, and not the acquisition of a sum which— " Not enriches them, but makes us poor indeed." But, that precedent being once conceded—the sacredness of property being once invaded, and the first process of the sa crilegious sorytes achieved, could we for a moment imagine that they would be content to let it remain as a question of principle, and they would not speedily convert it into a matter of gain to themselves, and of ruin to the Establishment? The anxiety which the Noble Lord (Morpeth) had evinced to manufacture a surplus on which to make the first essay of this important precedent amply attested that the party were not disposed to allow the resolution of 1835 to remain a dead letter. Like the horse in the fable they sought the aid of an ally, but have effectually saddled themselves with a rider. There was but one other point connected with the question on which he (Mr. E. Tennent) was desirous of offering an ob servation, and that was the power of Parliament to interfere in the manner which had been contemplated with the pro perty of the Church. He did not mean the absolute and irre sponsible power which Parliament possessed to effect on any other object, but the right and equity of such a proceeding as was threatened. He did not mean to enter upon the general question of such a power, but simply to allude to one of the most prominent arguments which had been used in favour of it by the supporters of this Bill, and which he conceived, though constantly adduced, by no means afforded a case in point. He referred to the argument drawn from the confiscation of ecclesiastical property at the period of the Reformation, and its appropriation to the uses of the Protestant Church. Parliament, they were reminded, gave its sanction in the reign of Henry VIII. to the transfer of Church property from the monasteries and Clergy of the Roman Catholics to Protestant establishments, and conse quently, they argued, it possessed an equal power to reconvey it from the Protestants to the Roman Catholics, or to any other parties at the present day. The assertion was made in a total forgetfulness of the relative positions of the Par liament and the Church at the period of the Reformation and at the present time. The Roman Catholic Church then claimed to hold its property altogether as an inde pendent and irresponsible corporation, confessing its alle giance to Rome alone, and acknowledging no authority or right of interference in the Crown or the Parliament. Mr. AI. O'CONNE L L supported the clause. It had been said by some that the object of those who promoted the Bill was the destruction of the Protestant Church, and the eleva tion of the Roman Catholics on its ruins. Now this he denied. God forbid the day should ever come when the Roman Catho lic religion in Ireland would be allied with the State ; for as it was at present he was convinced its doctrines were more pure, and its duties better discharged, than they would be in such an event. It had been said by his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for Tipperary, that the Noble Lord the Member for North Lancashire, in order to have been perfectly consistent, should never have supported the Reform Bill. Now, he must go a step further, and assert that, in order to have secured the Noble Lord's consistency, he should never , have supported the Church Temporalities' Bill. ' Sir F. TRENCH protested against the retention of the clause. As far as the education of the people was concerned, no man was a greater advocate for it than himself, because he conceived it would be the most effectual means of increasing Protestantism in Ireland, and limiting the pernicious power of the Catholic priesthood ; but whilst, for this purpose, he was ready and willing to tax his own private property, he would not consent to the diminution of their resources or the effici ency of the Protestant Church. The clause was, he believed, part of the bargain made by the Hon. and Learned Member for Kilkenny with the Government, who were his tools and instruments, and who sacrificed to him in this respect their own better judgment and conscientious feeling. Dr. B A LD WIN said the Opposition betrayed more igno rance of the state of Ireland than would disgrace the people of India.—(Laughter.) The Irish people, he would tell the House, did object to a Church forced upon them by a foreign nation.—(oh, oh, and Hear, hear, from the Opposition, echoed by cheers from the Government benches.) Yes, by a foreign nation ; and they would ever object to it. The Church was forced upon the Irish people by the English, who were foreigners to them.—(Exulting cheers from the Opposition.) Would England allow a foreign nation to impose a Church on her ? And the Irish people would sooner see general confu sion, and the country dyed in blood, rather than submit to an Establishment that was alien to them.—(Renewed cheers.) He would not go behind the bush, but would tell the whole truth out.—( Cheers and laughter from the same quarter.) The Irish people were determined to resort to force, and by the strong hand defend themselves from injustice. They would have their claims if they were not voluntarily conceded. The Irish Members did not wish to break the integrity of the empire.—(Laughter from the Opposition.) But when the House recollected the physical force of Ireland, the republics growing up in the west, and the military despotisms established in the east, they should not overlook the claims of Ireland, and the value of the support or hostility of her people. Mr. HARDY looked upon what had fallen from the Hon. and Learned Doctor—( A laugh)—who had just sat down, to be a decided intimation that force was about to be resorted to in Ireland. To come, however, to the arguments of this question. It had been said that tithes originally belonged to the Roman Catholic Church. Now that he utterly denied, and on this ground : there was not one of the errors or super stitions belonging to the present Romish religion, but had crept into it since the time when tithes were originally insti tuted. With respect to the prrsent clause of this Bill, he begged to remind the Committee briefly of the history of the appropriation principle in that House. In was in 1834 that a motion of this kind was made by the Hon. Member for St. Alban's, and then it was opposed by every one of his Majes ty's Ministers, as being a matter not at all connected with the settlement of tithes. In 1835, however, when it had become an object to drive the Hon. Member for Tamworth, and the Gentlemen who supported his principles, from the opposite (the Ministerial) side of the House, then the present Minis ters did not hesitate to frame a resolution, which was carried by the House, that no Bill on this subject would be satisfac tory to the House, which did not embody that very principle of the appropriation of surplus revenues.—(Hear.) The Noble Lord opposite talked the other night of supporting a Church Establishment, as if that consisted only in having a certain number of churches. He thought, however, that there was something else to be attended to, and that those who un dertook the charge of this matter should use all the influence in their power to promote to promote the growth of that reli gion which they considered most likely to benefit the souls and elevate the moral character of the people. As to converting the tithes into a rent-charge, he did not conceive that that would be looked upon as any substantial benefit to the people of Ireland ; if they objected to it under the denomination of tithe, he thought they would also cry out against it when it was demanded of them in the shape of a rent-charge. The Hon. Member concluded by stating that the members of the Protestant congregations in Ireland were not diminishing to the extent sometimes alleged. Out of 1,440 benefices 855 were increasing in the number of their flocks, 495 were sta tionary, and only 90 diminishing. Lord MOR PET H said, the Hog. Member for Scarborough had attacked his Right Hon. Friend the Attorney-General for Ireland. Now, his (Lord Morpeth's) memory went far enough back to recollect an attack which the Hon. Gentleman had made on his Noble Friend the present Lord Chancellor of I Ireland when he (Lord Plunkett) filled the office of Attorney- General. And, from what he could call to mind of that event, he was certainly induced to think that attacks on At torney-Generals were not amongst the most fortunate of the Hon. Gentleman's reminiscences.—( Cheers and laughter.) The Hon. Member for Kent had also addressed the Committee; and, though the general terms of his speech were soft as snow-falls, yet they were not, he must sav, alto gether unmixed with some hard sayings against his Majesty's Ministers, containing the charge that the Protestant religion was not sufficiently appreciated by them. Now, he was wil ling to give the Hon. Gentleman credit for an anxious desire to promote the Protestant religion ; but when the Hon. Gen tleman persisted in saying that we did not in our hearts and consciences appreciate the value of the Protestant religion, which we professed, he must tell him that he was endeavour ing to fathom motives which he could not reach, and departing from that spirit of candour which he no doubt wished to couple with the other virtues that adorned his character.—( Cheers. ) With respect to the argument of the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman who spoke last, he did not wish to grapple with that, because it did not appear to him to carry on the face of it so arbitrary an assumption that every thing which happened to be out of the pale of his own opinions and religion must ne cessarily be immersed in flagrant error. For his part, be could only say that he would not assert that salvation was not to be found within the Church of Scotland or the Roman Catholic Church.--( Hear, hear.) Whilst ho was ready to resist any attack on the principle on which the Church Establishment was founded, still he confessed he felt comparatively erilous to those objections to be urged against the appropriation clause which were merely founded on the large amount still retained for the provision of the Established Church in Ireland.—( Hear. ) The Right Hon. Baronet had pointed out some inaccuracy in that part of his statement which bore upon the question, on the number of members and the extent of country attached to each pastoral cure in the churches of the three countries. Now it would be in the recollection of the House, that he had spoke subsequent to the time at which his Noble Friend the Mem ber for North Lancashire had made his motion ; and if he allowed himself to be guided by his Noble Friend's calcula tions, he did so because he thought his Noble Friend had too much of the skill as well as the zeal of the advccate to - ,weaken his cause by any incorrect statements in support of it.—( Hear, hear.) However, a mistake was undoubtedly made, and he was now most happy to give the Committee a correct state ment. The Noble Lord then read a statement, the substance of which, it appeared, was to this effect :—ln England and Wales the number of benefices were 10,718, the average income 2851. for each, the population 1,014, and the number of acres 3,460. In Scotland the number of benefices was 900, the income for each 2401., the population 2,000, the number of acres 2,148, and the square miles 231. In Ire land the number of benefices belonging to the Established Church were 1,250, the average income 2941., the population 681, and the number of square miles 25. He considered it necessary to have said thus much with respect to the state ment which the Right Hon. Baronet had made. The Hon. and Learned Member for Bandon (Mr. Sergeant Jackson), was pleased, in a speech which he made to the House on a former night, not only to throw a degree of general discredit over the Report of the Commissioners of Public Instruction, but also to bring forward specific statements in support of his allegations. He (Lord Morpeth) had upon that occasion no opportunity of replying to the Learned Sergeant, and if he had he must, necessarily ignorant as he was of the particular circumstances connected with this part of the subject, have done no more than express his entire disbelief in the accuracy or justice of the statements which had been then made. Since that he had been overwhelmed, or he might rather say flooded, with remonstrances from the parties whom the asser tions of the Hon. and Learned Sergeant had affected ; from Mr. Sergeant D'Oyley, Mr. Barrington, and Mr. Hamilton, and other Gentlemen stated in the Commission, who expressed their opinions with an energy and warmth which he was anxious to dilute, and which made him desirous of believing that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was a dupe, and not the origi nator, as to those statements which he had made. These Gen- tlemen requested, they required of him, in justice to their cha racters as Gentlemen, and to their trustworthiness as men em ployed in the discharge of a public duty, to submit that expla nation to the House which he would do as briefly as he could, consistently with what was due both to the House itself and to them.--( Hear.) The particular cases to which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman referred to were four in number ; the first, and that which alone he was bound in justice to say the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had a len- to stand upon, was with respect to the Kildare-street schools. The other three were with reference to the population returns, giving the numbers belonging to the Established Church in each of the benefices. The st of these statements to which he would call the attention of the Committee was from the gentleman who acted as secretary. " Dublin, June 11, 1836. " He first asserts that the Commissioners only report the number of schools under the Kildare-place Society' to be 236, whilst he states the true number to be 1,050. Now, it is. worthy of observation, in reference to these schools, that 0111 the 4th day of October, 1834, the Commissioners of Public Instruction, applied by letter to the Kildare-place Society for a return of the schools in connection with it. The applica tion was refused, but a series of annual reports were sent, ending however with that for 1831. These reports merely contained the list of the schools, of which the masters had re ceived • gratuities' as appearing to be deserving of encou ragement.' A list like this could have been of little values a guide to the Commissioners at any time, but it was of no value at all. After a lapse of three years, during which pe riod as is now stated, the changes had been so extensive. thLt the number of schools was reduced from near 1,700 to 1,050. Thus the society declined giving any assistance towards iden tifying their schools, as other like institutions did. " In the next place the report does not profess to state the different establishments under' which the schools may be for any other purpose than that of pecuniary support. The in quiry was a financial one. The heading of the report, there fore, is Sources of Support' of each school ; and after refer ring, in about twenty instances, from the schools returned in the report of the Society for 1831 to the reports of the COm missioners for the dioceses of Down, Connor, and Dromore, I find that every school has been reported upon, with the statement that its source of support' is payments by the children,' 101. a year from Lord A.,' and the like. It may be very true that the Kildare-place Society give gratuitous rewards to the masters or grant books for the children in every one of these cases, and thus entitle itself to number these schools amongst its dependents ; but the Society did not there-. by become a source of support' in the sense in which that expression was understood by most of the visiting Commis sioners, particularly the two who visited the above diocese- 5 . In every case where it was shown that the schools deY.i v e pecuniary support from the Kildare-place Society, it has 'b een so stated. " There is however an obvious error in the general report at page 15, where it professes to sum up the schools in con nection with the Kildare-place Society. This should have been explained as meaning a connection in the: way of sup port. That such must be its true meaning is'. evident, in asmuch as the heads of the summaries cannot differ in kind from those of the reports. The latter give merely the source of pecuniary support. How then could the former sum up both these and all other sources of reward, nominal conned tion, &c. ? _ _ " Mr. Sergeant Jackson next alleges error in the popula tion returns ; and, to prove this, asserts, that the number of members of the Established Church in the parish of Dromore was returned by the enumerator at 56, whilst the Commis sioners have only reported 49, insinuating that the motive was to reduce the number below 50. Now, perhaps, the in cumbent may have had the opposite motive ; for it was proved by evidence, with which, as the visiting Commissioner informs me, the incumbent, after some time, expressed himself satisfied that he had included in his census of the parish a family of seven persons not belonging to it. It appeared that these seven persons properly belonged to the adjoining parish of Killenane, and were assigned to it by the Commissioner. " The enumerators had taken a wrong common boundary in 1831. The Commissioner merely adjusted the conflicting claims of the two neighbouring incumbents. " Mr. Jackson next asserts that he had seen the census made by the excellent clergyman' of the parish of Desert serges, near Bandon, and that the members reported were 50 under the actual number of Protestants of the Established. Church. Now, it so happens that the number in the report,. viz. 432, is precisely the same as that given in the original census made and delivered to the Commissioner by the very same clergyman. The Commissioner took the number from the census; so that if what Mr. Sergeant Jackson states be correct, this excellent clergyman' has shown him, a census differing from that which he had lately sworn to contain a true census of the population. " The Right Hon. the Viscount Morpeth, &c. &c." The next was from Mr. Acheson Lyle. " Gardiner's-place, June 11. _ - " MY LORD—In the report of the debate upon the Irish Church Bill, Mr. Sergeant Jackson is reported to have said— ' That Mr. Hudson of Springfarm, in the comity of Wicklow, had been requested by the Roman Catholic Clergyman of the parish in which he resided, to make a return of all the Protes tants and Catholics employed by him, and he gave a return of fifty-six Protestants in his house and employment, and ten Roman Catholics. He received a letter from the Roman Ca tholic Clergyman thanking him for the return, but when the Commissioner appeared in the month of December, a list was handed to him by the Roman Catholic Clergyman of only thirteen out of the fifty-six Protestants. He asked again was it fair, was it safe to act upon such return?' " As I was the Commissioner who visited the parish re specting which the above observations were made, I think it right to give your Lordship a correct statement of the facts, that you may be able (as I think you will) to correct the mis representation. " Your Lordship is aware that both the census of 1831 anti our enumeration was founded upon the number of inmates irs. every dwelling-house within the parish, those persons only being reckoned in each family who slept in the house at the time the enumerator visited it. A return, therefore, of the number of persons, Protestants and Roman Catholics, who were in the house and employment of any person, could mot have been adopted by the Commissioners, or used for any purpose. Those who did not reside in the house of the per son making it, must be enumerated in their own dwelling.. houses. Whether any such return was made by Mr. Hudson to Mr. Stennett, the parish priest of Delsany, I know not ; but if it were, it is plain that it could have been of no manner of use. " My report of the number of Protestants in Mr. Hudson's family was made from an original census of the Protestants made by the Rev. Thomas Grey, the P ro testant curat e of t h e parish of Delsaney, v er ifi e d b y hi m upon oath, in wb ich the number of Mr. Hudson's family is stated to be 13. " The list ma d e out un d er the directions of . Mr. s teonett, the Roman Cath o li c c l ergyman , gives precisely t h e same number—as does the census made by the enumr4ratc.r of the parish empl o y e d b y t h e C omm i s sioners, and bolmc oyitain the names of many P ro t es t an t labourers H in the who m ay Parish have been in th e em pl o yment of Mr. udson. It is a gross misrepres en t a ti on , h owe ver, to say that because t'aey are not returned w ith M r . H u dson's family, that therefore th ey have been s u bt racte d f rom the Protestant population of the parish, and that our reports are not to be depended tip”.. " I enclose the origin al census made by . 1 dr. G rey, and the list handed me by the Roman Catholic . priest! which w as made of each townland separately ; in both . of. wh ic h you will see Mr. Hudson's family returned as consistr.ig of 13 persoes, all Protestants. " I understand that e• Mr. Hamilton writes you respecting the other misrepresentations in Mr. JaFkson's speech, an d r only therefore trouble your Lordship with the above, as it person ally concerns me.—l have the honor to be, " My Lord, your obedient servant, " ACHESON LyLE . " The Lord Viscount M or p e th, &c." These documents prov e d th e accurac y of the returns in every fact and particular att es t e d i n the Report. Now let t h e two propositions for the adjustment of this question be e mnPar ed. The lowest am oun t o f annua l i ncome ac cording to this Bill could not e xcee d 1001. exc l us i ve o f g l e be. Now, sur ,pose they were to stop with the measure where it was propost Id by the Noble L or d t h e M em b er f or N or th Lancashire, au( I they were to leave out all the appropriating and re-disti .buting clauses, it should be borne in mind by the Committ ee that it had been a l rea dy d ec id e d th a t 30 per cent. shemlr , he de ducted from th e p resen t amou nt at tithe compositio n us the I