The Sun. — London, England, 1844-02-27 00:00:00

SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS. PROM TIM EVENING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY. GLOBE.—ffir Robert Peel has just made another stand, and it is a stand. by which he will one day fail, for he stands now upon the Irish Church. Of the sin cerity with. which he does so we make no doubt, nor ' have we any fault to find with his motives. It is quite true, as he says hiniself, though in rather .1:lion :words, that he cannot afford to change again.. He has already, by one con • cession, lost )xford, his early pride—he will not forfeit Tainwrwth, his remaining boast : and as Tam worth is to Oxford, so will be the character for con sistency which ho may still hope to gain, to that which he once posse used.. After all, as a matter of personal feeling, he is right to make the most of his oppor tunities, suck us they are ; and hence it is that he will stick to the last to his Irish ChurCh, that -" dear ruin" which he has helped to make, and as he tells us also at the same time, to his English Chancellor —another striking proof of the desperate fidelity with which he will henceforward adhere both to • his mea sures and his men. His constancy, too, in the last instance, is brought, out in bold relief by contrast with the very opposite conduct of the Whigs towards one of their ernancellors—poor Lord Plunket. We would not willingly speak hardly of him, but the un friendly-praise of Sir - R. Peel compels its to say, thitt with all his talent,' even before his incapacity became so notorious, he was the worst Chancellor that either Ireland or England had seen since the days of Lord Erskine.. We speak not as partisans, or we would not have cited - the latter name. Lord Plunket, however, had, in an eminent degree,, that merit which Sir Robert Peel appreciates the most in a judge; and if he read the debate of Friday night, how much he must have regretted that he was not born either a Tory or a Seotchman ? Even as it is, we wonder that Sir R. Peel; did not, in his own peculiar way,' show his sense of merit in an. opponent by offering to make: him either a, 'Master in Chancery or a pro-Vice,Chan sailor, as he did offer to that really eminent judge, and most judicious, though unobtrusive, politician, Lord Cottenlaitin—who had, we though t; done his duty in • his_ own Sphere, both too .modestly and too well to have been singled out, as he was Iry a political adversary, as an object of that which we will make bold to call the most un paralleled instance on record of . official im pertinence. But to return to the Irish Church, which, like the late Irish Chancellor, will take no hints, and will not retire even upon a pension, except upon eompulfficin it scents certainly to be a little less near to its end than we had thought it to be before the late debate; for it is now proclaimed, in the hearing of all men, that Sir Robert Peel will not give it up, that Sir James Graham will not betray it, and more . than this, that Lord John RusSell will not attack . it in right earnest. As the leader of a party which . may .perhaps not _very long. be: 'in opposition; Lord John. Russell may be right in forbearing to connect himself to measures - which, as the head of a new Government, he might not he able to carry out ; but we who are not re strained by ,any such considerations, and who claim the rightefsaying.what we think, both in season and out -of season, do not hesitate to say that the time is come, .and is not gone by, as some people sup pose, for giving up the .Protestant Establishment in Ireland,. that is,--for taking from it, at once, with the reserve , only of existing life interests, so much of its property as exceeds the proportion which the number of its members bears to the po pulation of 'lreland. This,. or something like this, will . be, at some time or other, the inevitable end., This has been,. . . at all times since the in-. vasion of the Irish Protestant Church, the only just course ; and never, we think, have the rea sons for doing it once been so urgent and impe rious fie they are noW. We do not . say that this: of itself would do much for Ireland ;' but it is the only thing that will give us a chance of doing any thing, as it affords the only means . of acting upon the people by ensuring the' co-operation of their leaders and advisers. We speak not of ,their chief movers at present, but of their natural and habitual leaders and advisers—the Catholic gentry and clergy. The difficulty of carrying such a measure through Parliament is, we apprehend, very . much overrated. Who woig have thought, three months before the introduetion 'of the Catholic Relief Bill, that it would have passed . the House of Lords by'a 'majority of more than a hundred ? Arid so we think it- would turn out now, if the-question were well- brought home to them, that the English people are too sensible and t oo j u stto care so lunch ihout theirish Chiireh as thoSe whoolaim to represent the religion of the.country would have us believe. They require hut a little time and a little pressing to remove their Scruples ; and if Mr. Cobden could, in the course of his travels, occasionally spare a bye-day to enlighten them, as to the real = state of the case, the butiness would soon :be- done. At any rate, we - believe that it is in the power ' of Lord John Russell and those who act With him, to do it ; and whatever deference we may feel for the feel ings which bid them refrain from doing all that they might do, we do not hesitate to say that if the Irish Church exists in all its solitude of ascendancy five years hence, it wilt owe it, though it may not choose to own it, to the forbearance of Lord John Russell and his friendS • STANDARD.—The • Morning Chronicle affects to admire the tone of Sir Robert Peel's speech. We admire it Unaffectedly.. We think that the Premier took his line of argtiment upon the Church . , question in the Very best. taste, and with the sclundest judgment, and indeed sound judg ment rarely differs froth good taste. Our Con temporary.. however, while admitting and adMiring the Right Honourable . Baronet's' premises,quar rels with his conclusion L-namely, that .the esta blished. Ilnito:Church must be supported without deterioration and without a - This is some what repugnant to logical rule; granting. the pre, raises, the, conclusion' legitimately drawn NM' these , prernises is usually taken as granted , also. But' .eve *here the ' Morning ,Chronicle has bewildered itself, it. puts Sir R. Peel's reference to the creed of Roman Catholics generally, for—the creed it is not, but—the abject subjection of the: political Roman Catholics, for which Sir 11. W. Bar ron,, Mr, .I.lorW. O'Ferrall, and Mr. Sheil spoke ; the latter are however, as regards Roman Catholics generally, but a minority, and as regards intelligent Roman Catholics, • a truly " miserable minority." In the - Premier's reference to the - addresses of the Operative Protestants, he (I'd not condemn men for the expression 'of their opinions, but he complained, and with. reason, of their inadvertently taking a course Which height seem to commit the' Executive to these opinions, or compel them reluctantly to treat those taking that course with leas kindness and respect than they really entertained for them. Was there any desertion of Protestants in this ? LAW- INTELLIGENCE. HOUSE OF LORDS, Feb. 26. The House sat to-day to hear appeals. The Peers present were the Lord Chancellor, Lord Brougham, Lord Cottenhsm, and Loid Campbell. SANPIFOED V. XORKIS: The argqinints in this part heard appeal were resumed and concluded to-day. The question in the case related to the law of real property. Their LoRDSEWS postponed their judgment. VICE-CHANCELLOR'S COURT, Feb.'26. (Before the VICE-CHANCELLOR of ENGLAND.) The Honour took motions to-day, and was occupied the greater portion-of the morning with one relative to an article of dress called antigropelos, or roud-boots. The matter has been several times before the Court, and it is unnecessary further to advert to it. COURT OP' QUEEN'S BENCH, Feb. 26. (Sittings at Guildhall, before ,Lord Thomas and a Special Ju*r.) THE CUSTOII-HOUSE FRAUDS. TMIC twaax, ON THE PROSECUTION OF ' THE COMMISSIONIERS OP CUSTOMS, V. PETER WILLIAMS, CHARLES MOTTIZAM, AIM .761 I; RORSLET„ This was an indictment arising out of the late frauds upon the Crown through the Custom -house revenues, to the extent of about half a million of money, with the history of which, almost in minute detail, the public are already familiarly acquainted. The bill of indictment was found at the last June sessions of the Central Criminal Court, and removed by certkrari at the instance of the Commissioners of Cus toms. The Attorney-General, the Solicitor-General, Mr. Thesiger (Qtlieles Counsel), and Mr. POHock, were for the prosecu tion ; Mr. Cockburn (Queen's Counsel), and Mr. Cl ar kson ap pcsared for the defendant Mottram. The brief summary of the case is, that the defendants were carrying on business - in partnership in the way of Fre nc h goods and the like, and in the month of September, 1840, by conspiracy, &c., carried through the Custom house, goods to the amount of 5801. or thereabouts, pay ing only 40!., instead of 88!., thereby defrauding the revenue of !the difference. The defendant Williams had pleaded gtulty, Horsley had not been taken or appeared at all, and Mottram said that he knew nothing about it. Mottram had been a linendrapor in an extensive way of business in _Lamb's Conduit-street, and in Janvary, 1840, relinquished that business, and went into partnership with the other de fendants in Wood-street, Cheapside, as Manchester and silk warehousemen and importers of " foreign fancy goods." They became bankrupt, and there was a fiat, which produced a mat sensation, and the examination of Mott ram was ad iQurned for three years. One Burnby, living then in Eus ton-square, of whom all the world has heard so much, and who by his multifold and various devices in almost every species- of: fraud ' had . almost- made fiction upon such matters uninteresting - , tempted the firm, and all.would have fallen but that the first attempt resulted in an abortion, as the only mode of avoidance of manifest detection. Fraud succeeded, however, time after time afterwards, but Mot tram, who alone now at the trial attempted a defence, averred that he had no knowledge of or connexion with anything but the abortion, which would not support the indictment. About all that supervened he was wholly limo cent and unconscious. In fact, he was - so , shocked at the first attempt, or the failure of it, that though a partner in the house, he neyer, as his counsel from instruction stated, had the faintest knowledge of, or idea about, any of the future transactions connected with the revenue duties. The man Burnby, however, who appeared to have been dismissed from the service of the Crown for sundry enormities, but subsequently retained by the Crown at 15s. a day to de tect and prove the,guilt of others, gave a very different ac count from that set up by Mr. Mottram, and quite proved the sagacity of the counsel of setting a thief to catch a thief. Mr. Cockburn freely called him " a perjured villain, covered is his scoundrel infamy, who had bad the baretlicad efrou- Itery to come into the Court and tell the jury that he was kept by the Commissioners of Customs—fed by them on 15s. a day—and retained like a wild beast, ready to pounce upon any victim determined upon as being, in their ca rice, to be ; devoured." Lord DENMA-N summed up the case, commenting with some calm severity upon the bearing of the evidence in proof of the guilty participation • f the defendant Mottram, though with deepest indignation at the conduct of the man Burnby, whose evidence had been necessary to make out the case. The jury retired for about two hours, and returned with a verdict of Guilty generally. Sentence stood deferred without observation. PREROGATIVE COURT. (Before Ski". JI3lll 4 lElt PM.) 00VENTRY V. WILLIAMS AND OTHERS. In this case three codicils have been propounded, in a com mon codicil to the will of the late Lord_Coventry, the yali dity of which was opposed on severaL grounds. The will and other codicils have been already proved by the executors named in it. At one period his Lordship suffered under in sanity, but the testamentary papers already proved were made previously. The first codicil brought to the notice of the Court was dated the 17th of September, 1836, but was torn up by his Lordship while in a state of insanity. After hearing Drs. Addzims and Curteis in support of the paper so torn (the fragments of which were picked up by the keeper), and the Queen's - Advocate contra, the Court had no doubt that it was entitled to probate, and directed accordingly. The next paper discussed is couched in the following terms " Severn Bank, Worcester, Nov. 18, 1840. " In consequence of a late introduction to Mrs. Chase, and finding her talents and virtues were unrepaid, either by her profession (to which she is!an ornament) or by her hus band, who since that acquaintance has turned out a great villain, having been proved to be already married at Port slade, near Brighton, to a Miss Everall, I have determined to offer, as a tribute to her talents and virtues the follow ing small pittance, that poverty may never overtake her. I shall immediately order .Mr. Morland, who has made my will, to make the following codicil to it :—That whereas in consideration of my sincere affection for Fanny Maria Brunton's irreproachable character, and her other virtues, she shall enjoy from me the small but welcome allowances of 501. per annum, to be paid by Messrs. Coutts and go., bankers, Strand, half-yearly, quarterly, or annually, as - the said Fanny Maria Brunton shall will it, and after her death (which I cannot contemplate without - feelings of, the deepest regret) to her son, now born, Thomas Chase, but illegitimate (since the horrid previous marriage has been proved). Given under my hand and seal this 18th day of November, in the year of our Lord, 1840. (L.S) COVENTRY. " Witnesses—THOMAS MARCHANT. RICHARD CHAMBERS, M.D." The codicil was enclosed in an envelope, endorsed, " To Miss Fanny Maria Brunton—Coventry." The QUEER'S ADVOCATE and Dr. PUILLIMORE, jun., op- Eosed the paper as not being a codicil to th e w ill o f th e l a t e arl, but merely as a security that the testator would regu larly expute a paper in her favour. Dr. ABDAME submitted that the paper had been propounded as a codicil, and it was rather too late now to raise the objec tion made on the other side. The paper was regularly eice cuted and delivered to the lady, who placed it in her bosom. There could be nodonbt but that the deceased was of sound mind at the period it was executed, though there was no question he subsequently became deranged, and continued so till his death- As to the execution of the paper by the late Earl, that was most fully established, The cases cited on ihe other side did not bear on the points now raised as against the validity of the paper under discussion. The re quirements of the new Will Act had been complied with, and the Caurt must pronounce for it as a provisional codicil, in tended by the testator to operate in the absence of any more formal instrument, as it would be hard indeed to deprive the lady of her annuity. The COURT said it must consider if this paper was a codicil or not. It was an important question. The other papers were entitled to probate, the costs as to them to be paid out of the estate. JAMES V. COTIEN. This case respects the validity of certain testamentary papers of the late Mr. L. Cohen, who died on the sth of March, 1842, leaving property of the value of about 7,0001. Among the relatives he left behind him were two nieces, one of whom is the wife of the Bishop of Jerusalem. By the papers before the Court, the distribution of the property was varied. The deceased destroyed, his last will, and the ques tion was, if this revived a will dated in 1832, and two codi cils, made in 1833 and in 1836, which had for a long time been out of his possession. The case does not possess the least public interest. The Court, after hearing civilians on both sides, held that there was no proof of the intention of the deceased to revive the will of 1832, or the codicils of 1833 and 1836, and there fore an intestacy must be pronounced for. . . POLICE INTELLIGENCE. (YESTERDAY.) • GUIL DHALL. Yesterday Mrs Earnshaw, of Park-street, Camden-town, and Miss Emma Wells, who resided with her as companion, were re-examined, charged with purloining various articles from jewellers' shops.. Mr. Clarkson, who attended for the prisoners, observed that the offieerS were, at the laSt hearing, especially directed to Ascertain ,if there were grounds for believing that either of the eight.'s/. notes fon.nd in the Possession of the prisoners could be presumed to be the produce of 'ether goods stolen and sold or pawned by the prisoners. He wished to know if they had made those inquiries. He knew the fact was that Mrs. Earnshaw had received them in payment of her allowance under her marriage settlement, and he trusted the magistrate would restore them to the lady. The officers had brought away some savings' bank books, containing deposit's to the amourt of 80/. As he could not as clearly show that the moneys field in were not the produee of stolen goods, he was afraia he could not then make the same claim for their restoration. Mr. Aldertnan IlkittEs asked the officer if he had made inquiry about the notes ?—Wardle, the policeman, replied he had, and that he could not trace that a 5!. note had been paid to the prisoners in any case, lie had traced Only one pawn ing, that of a locket, stolen from Mr. Lamb, a jeweller in- Cheapsido, and pawned at Mr. Fleming's, in liarringdon st rect. Mr. Alderman IluGnEs examined the- notes, and finding they were new, and seven of them of consecutive numbers, he said he belie:NW Mr. Clarkson's Stateinent, and should order 30/. to be given up. Lest anything should turn upon the notes, he must direct the officer to keep' two of the notes, and take the numbers of those he gate up.' - 'to complete the' case entered into at the first hearing of the stealing of a fruit knife from the shop-of Mrs.-Rose, Of Farringdon-street, • George Chambers, a station-house clerk, was examined, and proved That he'found the knife in an unsewed portion 01 Miss WeHS'S boa. He also found there a gold watch key, which had not been owned. • • Mr. Alderinan - Cii.illis . 'isked if a,' secret poeketfizid been purpbsely formed in 'the . boa. The officer said no: It was. merely unripped: There was no seiving . to'forin a pocket. Mr. Shepherd, a watchmaker in the Strand, identified a gold watch of the value of 301. 'The prisoners came into his'shop three weeks-ago, and Wells-wished tcrsee - a tray of s'atches in the window: He placed five tiays'before them they objected to the price, and wished to see some at Six guineas. Their appearance obtained his confidence so much that he did not remove the trays 'before he turned away to reach the cheaper watches, and this was taken advantage of to steal the watch, which he did not miss till the officer in quired whether he had been robbed:. - Mr. Alderman HUGHES asked if it was possible that he could have sold the .watch-? - - • : Mr. Shepherd said it was not. The number' of every watch was entered in a stock-bOok, and the sale was alSo entered. Mr. Alderman Mon Es asked- the officer where lie found the watch ? Thomas Hollingswcirth, a'City'policeman, Stated that while he was convoying the prisoners to the Cornpter, Wells handed the watch to -Mr. Hughes, her landlord, of Paik-streef; for rare, and witness immediately took posiession of it. A third charge was preferred `by Mr..Hanniford, of Re gent-street, a dressing.;case maker. Re had a recollection of seeing the elder prisoner d bont five years ago, but neither he nor his partner had any recollection of seeing the prison 7 ers in his shop recently. The two gold ,pencil-cases pro duced,' value 8/. and 31., were his property. They were two out of three which were purchased from the maker on . the. 31st of January the larger one was ten days 'after ; the smallOr one had not been misled.. The officer said these were found, each, in a separate case, at the prisoners' lodging. . Mr: Alderman HUGHES . said it would be more satisfactory if his partner Would attend the next examination, that he . Might be certain that neither could identifv the prisoners. A fourth charge , was prefeired by Mr. Clapham,la jeweller in the Strand. He said the prisoners had been .three times to his shop within two months, and each time - looked at his rings. They did not purchase anything. He did not miss anything, but he suspected them so much that at their second and third visits he used such precautions that ren dered stealing undetected impossible, and he sett his boy to watch them. They went into the j e W e ll era a t-th e corner of Villiers-street. identified three finger-rings set with stones. - •• - - Mr. Alderman CHALLIS asked how he knew they were not sold 2—Mr. Clapham said they were very- old stock, and he could not have sold them withoutremarking the fact. A fifth charge was preferred by Mr. West, of Ludgate street, jeweller. He did not remember the prisoners, but he identified a gold brooch, value 2/. 10s., which hid been stolen from his stock, and was found at the prisoners' lodging. He missed it on the Ist of February. A sixth charge was preferred by Messrs. Hitchcock and Rogers, St.'Paul's Church-yard, of stealing a piece of ribbon, value 55., on the afternoon the prisoners were apprehended. They first looked at some boxes of dark ribbon, and then wished to see some light ribbons; and while the assistant WAS fetching the , box, they took the opportunity to help themselves. They bought a small quantity. A seventh charge was preferred by Mr. Lamb, ajeweller, in Cheapside. He identified a gold locket, but had no recol lection of seeing the prisoners at his shop. Mr. Alderman HulattEs said, a$ several articles were yet unclaimed, it was desirable that the-prisoners should be further remanded. • • . , Mr. Clarkson said he could not oppose this. There ought to be the fullest inquiry, and he was willing that the pri soners should at once stand remanded for a fortnight. Mr. Alderman HUGHES replied that this was a longer term of remand than he should have proposed, but if it would be more convenient than auintermediate examination, he would, with their own consent, remand them for a fortnight. The prisoners were removed. CLERKENTVELL. John Blay and Thomas Wig/ey:were charged with assault ing police-constable Doyle 197, and Payne 216 G. About twelve on Saturday night last the Prisoners, •bei ng under the influence of liquor, were creating a disturbance in Turnmill-street, Clerkenwell, and the extraordinary violence of their conduct attracted an immense crowd about them. Doyle interfered, and begged of them to go away quietly, but instead of doing so the prisoners attacked him in a savage manner, and seeing that assistance was about coming to his aid ran into a house, in an upper room of which one of them hid himself in a bed, and the other under it. They were arrested by Doyle and Payne.' When they got into the street the prisoners again attacked them, and Doyle still felt great pain from the injuries received. GREEXWOOD sentenced the prisoner?, who did not ex press the least contrition for their brutality, to ten days' im prisonment each. On their way to the station-house several bad characters threw stones at the police, some of which, striking the officers, hurt them severely. A dissolute young man, named Lowman, was identified by police-constable 22 G, as one of the assailants. He was sent to prison for seven days. WORSHIP -STREET. STABBLNG.--211artin K e ll y , a young Irishman, was charged before Mr. Broughton, with having severely wounded a man named Henry Coventry, by stabbing him with a chisel,' Whereby his lifii was endangered. It appeared that as the complainant was passing through Whitecross-street, on his way home, about one o'clock on Sunday morning, the_ prisoner suddenly ran towards him from the opposite side of the road, and accused him of having run up a reckoning at a certain public-house, which he ha left unpaid. The complainant told him that he was mis taken in the man, as he had never visited the house alluded to, but the prisoner persisted in the charge, and began shaking him in a violent manner, at the same time using the most offensive vituperations. After a short struggle, the complainant succeeded in getting away, but the prisoner rushed at him, and pulled out a chisel from under the sleeve of his coat, with which he stabbed him in several places. The poor fellow, who was covered with blood, was imme diately conveyed to St. Bartholomew's Hospital, where he now hes in a dangerous state. On receiving inforniation of the outrage, several policemen proceeded in search of the pri soner, whom they at length traced to notorious locality, called George's-yard, and, after a desperate resistance, he was overpowered, and conveyed to the station-house. Police-constable . Turpm stated that he ha& seen the com plainant that morning, whose face was shockingly mangled, and he had` also received a severe wound, at least six inches in length, in the fleshy part of the left arm. He produced a certificate from the surgeon at the hospital, describing the nature &the injuries. . lu his defence, the prisoner said that while he was strug gling with the complainant, the chisel was given to him by a looker-on, who told him to use it, and having been drinking freely, he unfortunately acted on the suggestion. The prisoner was then remanded for a week. • • HAMMERSMITH. THE LATE SERIOUS CHARGE AGAINST A RESPECTABLE TRADEsstAx.—Mr. Samuel Nash, a master-baker, residing at Notting-hill, who was charged on the 14th instant with a eriminal assault upon a young woman named Mary Horn, eighteen years of age, and who has been several times re manded, appeared before Mr. S.' PaynterTthe sitting magis trate, in discharge of his bail, in the eum of 1,200 L, for the purpose of undergoing ..a final examinations The facts have already appeared in the daily papers, and it has also been stated that since the night ,previous to the second examination the complainant has absented herself from her father's dwelling, and has not since been heard of. Mr. Duncombe, solicitor of Gray's. Inn, , again, attended to defend Mr.. Nash. _ _ Mr. PAYNTER inquired if anything had yet been heard of Mary Horn, who had brought the charge ag . amst the prisoner. Inspector Morgan said he had written immediately after the second examination to Mr. Solomon, the chief constable of Brighton, whither the complainant was supposed to have gone, having lived there for some years, but he had received . 'an answer that she had not been there. _ Mr. PAYNTEft (seeing Mary Horn's father in attendance), inquired if he had heard anything of his daughter, The father replied , that he had not. He had himself been to Brighton to see after her, but could learn nothing respect ing her. In9ector Morgan observed, that if the father had come to him immediately on discovering that his daughter- was gone, he doubted not he should have soon been able to have found her, and prevented him the trouble of going to Brighton. Mr. PAYNTFOR remarked, it was doubtful to him if the father of the complainant went to Brighton at all to look after her. There were many suspicious circumstances in the case on all sides. He should not, at present, enter further into the case, but content himself with binding Mr. Nash over to appear at the next sessions of the Central Criminal Court, to answer any charge which may be - preferred against him. Mr. Nash then entered into his own recognizance of 4004 and two sureties in 2001. each to appear. FURTHER PARTICULARS OF THE LOSS OF THE ELBERFELDT. The following partionlars of the lOss of the Elberfeldt, iron steamer, are derived from Captain Stranach of the General Steam Navigation Company, and Mr. Bush, civil engineer. a• passenger in the ill-fated vessel. Mr. Bush has been engaged for some time past in the construction of an , improved ,mariners' compass, which had been tested at Woolwich, and found to vary less by six degrees than those of the ordinary kind. In order to test its capabilities still further,' Mr. Bush' availed himself of an offer by Captain Stranach, of the General Steam Navigation Company's steamer the Giraffe, to accom pany him to Rotterdam, for the purpose of bringing over the Elberfeldt, a Dutch iron -steamer, and in whick vessel An ex cellent opportunity would be afforded to ascertain the merits of his invention. The Elberfeldt, under the command, of Captain Stranach, sailed from Bridle on the 22d instant, at 50 minutes past six A.M., under light and variable winds. Minute attention was paid to all, the compasses on board, there being three belonging tcolr, Bush and two of the common description, when it Was observed that the superiority of those of Mr. Bush - Was maintained during the whole time . ' afforded for observation. Mr. Bush remarked to Captain Stranach that : the ship's"working ap peared to be different from when they lett the . Bridle, and that there was a strange vibrati on of the vessel. Scarcely had these remarks been ma d e when the suspicions of Mr. Bush were but• too truly confirmed. He beggedtf Captain Stranach to order the boats to be in readiness, for he was convinced that the vessel, being constructed of iron, would afford but few minutes to 'save themselves. Whilst this., conversation was taking place, an indication of a plain nature gave warning that their, fears were well grounded, for, about ten minutes to three she broke completely in half in the, middle of the vessel. Mr. Bush rushed up stairs, exclaim ing "It is now all over;' stop the:engines and out boat," and himself and two others fell headlong, into the boat at the moment she wits launched; the wind at this time was bowing a brisk gale.. This was a most dreadful moment to all; the wrei,k .presented a most awtnl yet grand spectacle; the boiler bursting by the collapse, threw . up : immense volumes of steam_ and fonntains of water, and the vessel went down with a loud explosion.. After her going doWn, Mr. Biish looked around for the unfortnnate . de i ty, and one of the first he saw was Captain Stranach str ggling in the waterisupported by a portion of the wreck.. The ceptain and several, others were with much difficulty taken into the boat. Three persons_ were inifOrtunately lost, two stokers, named Wilson, father and son, and the cook, named Andrews. The number saved were 13, including Mr. Bush and Captain Stranach, Who, : after exiaeriencing the greatest hardships for four hours in an Open boat, were picked up, by. the Charlotte, Captain Moyes, from Amster dam, whose attention was 'attracted by a handkerchief hoisted as a signal of distress. On getting them on board, Captain Moyes humanely supplied them with dry clothes, coffee, soup, 81c. Captain Stranach and Mr. Bush - described the whole occcurrence as a dream ; for, from her breaking to her going down, not more than five miuutea elapsed, and what but a short time before was considered a beautiful model of naval architecture, was sunk irrecoverably in the ocean. The calamity which overtook this vessel illustrates the error : of constructing vessels of a great length, with the enormous weight of engines, coal, and water amidships; and it is to be hoped that the Government will examine into the expe diency of constructing iron. steamers for sea-going purposes. The loss of the. President has . been attributed. ,-to, her. length; but no one survived to describe her loss, therefore, the. present event should be particularly breught,under the notice of the Shipwreck Committee, in order that. by the examination of the survivors they may determine upon the accuracy of such an opinicM, and introduce a measure to pre-. Vent in future the construction of vessels of the inordinate length to : which many have been built.; - LLOYD'S SHIPPING. . EAST INDIA SHIPPING. Arrivals—Portly, Reed, froni!China; in the Downs, sailed. Oct. 19, Cape of Good Hope Dec. 24; Cambrian, bring; from - Bengal, in the Downs, sailed Sept. 22,, St, Helena Dec. _27 ; London,- Edwards, from :Singapore . in the Downs,. sailed, Sept. 30, St. Helena Dec. 25 ; Lady Margaret, Thompson; - from Mauritius, in thaDowns, - sailed Nov. 22 ; William Gales, Venies, from( Ceylon in the - Downs; sailed from' Colombo Oct. 9 ; Helen Mary, ' Palmer, from Mauritius, in the Downs; sailed Nov. l 8 .; St. Helena Dec. 29 ; Exporter, from New South-Wales, off Dover, - sailed from Sydney .Oct. 10 ;' Tan jore, Stuart, from Bengal, off Dover, sailed Oct. 14, St. Helena Jan. 6 ; Cambria, Shaddock, from Bengal, id the Downs, sailed Oct. 17. • • " • • Arrivals at Sydney, -Nair .South Wales—Sir A. Campbell, Sept.-- 13, froth Calcutta and - Mauritius ; Lady Leigh, .23d, from New Zealand; St. Helena, 30th,. from Hobart Town ; - Alligator, Oct. 1, from Bay of Islands; Lord Keane, 2d; from London and Port Philip ; - Amelia, from Liverpool and Ho bart Town ; Velocity, from Twofold Bay ; Cdenroy, 3sl; - from Liverpool and Port Philip ; Cheerful; froM Batavia and Swan River; Eleanor, sth, from New Zealand; William,• from ' banneeston. Departures from Sydney—Clarkstone, Sept. 13, to South Seas; Rajah, 15th, to Port Philip and London ; Louisa and Sir John Byng, 16th, to Hobart Town ; Eleanor, 20th, to Mauritius ; Emancipation, to Tahiti ; Parkfield,' 21st, to King George's Sound and Ceylon ; Woodlark; 23d to South Seas ; Victoria, to Port Nicholson ; Dorset, Oct. 1, to Ade laide ; Sir John Campbell and Dawsons, to Launceston ; Australian Packet, 9th, to London. Arrivals at Hobart Town—Asiatic, Sept. 23 ; Winchester, 28th, from London. Arrival .at. Launceston—Marmion,.-Jellard; Oct. 1, from London: Arrivals at Port Philip—Reward, Sept. 8, from London ; Catneona, from'Leith ;Adelaide, Rajah, 25, Tobago, 29, from Sydney. Arrival at Adelaide-Arab, August 17thfrom - Liveipool; Arrivals in Table Bay, Cape of GOTid Ifope—Symmetry, Dec. 20, from-Leith, and sailed 23d to Adelaide ;' Frederick Huth, 22d ; John Thompson from China ; Earl Grey, 23d, from Bengal and Maurftitut ; Sir Robert Peel, - from Manilla. Departure from Table Bay—Dec. 23, Ellen; Wilson, for Launceston ; Elder, Adelaide, South . America. VESSELS SPOKEN WlTlL—Apropos, from Liverpool, 23d ult., lat. 33, long. 32 ; Minerva, of Nantes, out 32 days, lat. 21, long. 32 ; Christian, of Glasgow, lat.- 28, long. 30, by the Hope, Goss, arrived in the Downs. Persian, Shields to Cal cutta, out 75 days, Dec. 7, off the Cape of Good Hope; Jean Marie, from Havre, lat. 22 N., long. 34, by the Cambrian, Drury, arrived in the Downs. Scilly Lass, Liverpool, to Ja maica, 6th inst., let. 35, long. 26, by the Miranda, arrived at Bristol. Flora Kerr, from Calcutta, off the Cape of Good Hope, Dec. 16 ; Maria, from Sunderland, lat. 18, long. 47 E., by the John, George, arrived in the river. Parker, Li verpool to Demerara, 30th ult., lat. 22 N., long. 33W. ; Peter Cornelius Hoofe, from Amsterdam, 4th ult. ; Brennen vessel (122) for La Guayra, Ist inst., by the. Helen Mary, arrived in the Downs. Meg of Meldon, Liverpool to Calcutta, with loss' of jib-boom, &c., 20th inst., lat. 50 N., long. 8 W., by the Brooke, arrived at Liverpool. Liberty, Liverpool to 'New York, Ist inst., lat. 51, long. 11, by the Lady Worsley, arrived at Liverpool. Nieuland, Bademaker, Batavia to Amsterdam, Dee. 19, lat. 34 S., long. 25 E. ; Elizabeth Maria,Wieburg,Am sterdam to Surinam, 31st ult.. lat. 25 N., long. 34 W., by the Plaucius, Rotgares, arrived at Amsterdam. Findon, Cadiz to Buenos Ayres, Dec. 23, lat. 25 S., long. 35 ; Measenger, London, to New Orleans, 29th ult., lat. 20, lon. 37 W., by the Antilla, arrived at Liverpool. General Palmer transport, London to the Westward, 26th, ult., lat. 19 N., lon. 38 W., by the Don Quixote, .arrived at Cowes. Semarang, English ship, lat. 29 S., lon. 12 E., ,by the Wil liam Gales, arrived in the Downs. Jonas from Nantes, with 2,200 brls., July 11, lat. 57 N., lon. 153 W. ; Ocean from Nantes, standing for New Zealand, Sept. 12, with 600 brie.. by the France, arrived at Havre. George, Demerara to Hamburgh, 7th lust , lat. 39, lon. 44, by the Mysene, arrived at Liverpool. GUANO.—FIRST ARRIVAL FROM AntwA.—We have this morning seen a private letter from. Liverpool, dated February 20, in which is the following important information, for all interested in agriculture :—" The first vessel from Africiwith guano arrived here yesterday afternoon, the Leven side, with 400 tons, full cargo. She reports a great number of vessels, some loaded, some partially so, riding off the island, and from the information which I have been able to receive, we shall shortly have a very la rge quant i ty from that quarter. The Levenside's cargo is on Glasgow account, and the captain set off for Glasgow a few hours after arrival it this port." We find from the Clyde Shipping List, that the Levenside . sa il e d from the Clyde on the 20th of September, having cleared out for Valparaiso, and comes to Liverpool froth the island of Angie Pequena, coast of Africa. We mention this, as it will be recollected that the vessels engaged in this spe culation were said to have sailed with sealed instructions, which were not to be opened till they reached a certain lati tude.—Ayr Advertiser. A large species of the wild . swan was shot last It was quite alone. Weighed 201b5., was eight f ee t f rom tito tip of the th iv five feet four inches from th. tip week l i n r e w er in Ur e ,gt and i n Wensleydale. near Middlenam, of toes to beak.—Newcastle Herald. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS, Feb. 26. The Loan CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool sack at Five o'Clock. REPEAL OF THE UNION.—THE CATHOLIC PRIESTHOOD. The Marquis of NORMANBY said that le wished to say a few words in reference to a statement which had, been made by the . Noble Marquis opposite (the Marquis of Westmeath) in the course of the late de bate on the state of Ireland.; namely that a- poor priest, who had refused to assist in collecting the re peal rent, had been suspended in consequence for a month by his bishop. He (the Marquis of Nor manhy) felt it right both to the Noble Ilarquis,oppo site and to the Might Rev. Gentleman to whom the statements referred, to mention that,he had receiveda positive contradiction from the Right Rev. Dr. Cant well, the Roman Catholic Bishop of the diocese where the occurrence was said to have taken place, stating most distinctly that no such thing ever occurred, and that he believed that no Roman Catholic bishop would be guilty of such an act. The Marquis of WESTMEATH said that he was obliged to the Noble Marquis for giving him . the ear liest intimation of the contradiction he had received to the statement which he (the Marquis of West meath). had- inade. All he could say at the- pre sent moment was, that the fact was stated, and was pretty notorious in the country. Of course he was bound' to inquire, further into • the matter before he could reiterate the charge. There might have been some error as to' the time when: the ' Roman Catholic -priest to whom he had alluded and who was now dead had been - suspended ; but he re peated he. ould make further inquiry into the matter. The Marquis of NORMANBY only wished to state the fact, that he had received a contradiction of the Noble Marquis's statement, explicitly declaring that no priest had ever been suspended for the alleged cause, The Marquis of WESTMEATH reiterated his intention of making further inquiries, into the matter, and then said, that, as he was upon his legs, he would put a question - to -his- Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolsack. The Duke of WELLINGTON hoped that their Lordships .would adhere_to the practice of not asking questions without giving notice. The. Marquis of WESTMEATH said he did not wish his Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolsack to give an answer, if his. doing so were inconvenient. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that one of the advantages of giving notice was, that it gave an op portunity to the party to whom it was put, to consider conjointly with the person who gave the notice, as to whether it was proper to put the question or not. Lord BROUGHAM said another advantage was that it enabled him to give an answer. The Marquis of LA.NSDOWNE made a few observations which were_ naudible 'in -the gallery. - The Duke of WELLINGTON said, that he made a mistake in calling it an order of the House ; but it was a practice of their Lordships ,which it 'was very desirable not to infringe upon, not. to ask - a question without giving notice. The conversation then dropped. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented a petition from the masters and scholars of the University of Cambridge, •against the union of the sees of St. Asaph and Bangor. FRENCH AND ENGLISH COLLISION IN THE SOUTH SEAS. Lord' BROUGHAM wished to ask his Noble Friend opposite (Lord Aberdeen) a question in re lation to a rumour which had caused a great deal of alarm' in this country. He was sure his Noble Friend would have no difficulty in answering hi s question, as the rumour to which it referred was one that could scarcely have any foundation. 'His question was, whether his Noble Friend had received any in formation on the subject of an encounter alleged to have taken place between French and English, ships of war in the South Seas ? The Earl of ABERDEEN said that the Noble Lord's question was an instance of the-inconvenience which had been so strongly reprehended in the con- . versation which had just taken place amongst their Lordships, and in which his Noble and Learned Friend had taken part.—(A laugh.) However, he could say that he had received no information on the subject, and he thought it very improbable that there was any foundation for the ru mour.—(Hear.) EXPULSION. OF POLES 'FROM POSEN. Lord BROUGHAM rose ,to put another question to his Noble Friend.—(Laughter.) It was well known to his Noble Friend, and to all their. Lord ships, that his Majesty, the present King of Prussia, ruled over his dominions with great kindness and justices=and that his kindness was not confined to his Saxon - and Prussian subjects, but was extended to his Polish subjects in the Grand Duchy of Posen, which was annexed' to the kingdom of Prussia in the' year 1774. But it was said that he had lately issued a proclamation, that all persons from Russia and Austrian Poland should depart from Posen. He (Lord Brougham) thought that was very unlike the rest of his Majesty's conduct since he ascended the throne. — (Hear, hear.) If he had done so, it must be in consequence of something -which had not come to the knowledge 'of the public in this country. He (Lord Brougham) thought such a proceeding was' not con sistent' with the mildness and justice 'of the. King's administration hitherto: , • - The Earl of ABERDEEN had again to. ob serve, that in-consequence of the want of 'notice, he was unable to give a decided answer.—(Hear and a laugh.) He - knew indeed .that. the King of Prussia had lately adopted some measures in relation to the m Po e l as is u h re r g efu e g x e te e n s d r ed esid , residing iwnaPos notosers but how 'far those prepared to say; He agreed with his Noble and Learned - Friend, that from what they knew of Aheseharacter and Government of the Xing•of Prussia, it would appear that whatever he had done, was 'warranted by- the necessity of the case —(Hear.) CATHOLICS ON - JURIES IN'IREL AND. • Lord CAMPBELL begged the indulgence of the . House, while he' brought under their notice' a mat' er which had, occasioned In pain -to a. gentleman of he .would • keep and not make laugh.) He re' a h g iriFpsteelefch respectability. within' ,‘twithout ou their t a • I ' n s i o n o r ti d d s o ° l s ;1 4 gretted that the Noble ,Lord the Earl of Roden was not present; however, he would not - hesitate to mention the matter in his Lordship's" Absence, for he was , bringing no charge . against the Noble Earl, - who had said nothing: 'which he did- not - b e lieve .°"s he -perfectly. correct. But - the Noble Earl f ell: into a 'mistake natu rally The gentlem an i n 'whose behalf he (Lord had. to-solicit thei r a ttenti on was e r n d o ugh. Campbell) Mr. Richard O'Gorman, an opulent and respectable merchant of the city of Dublin, who was one of the grand jury before w hom the-indict men t was preferred ..about -to advert against Mr. O'Connell.. The - circumstance to . h which e he mentioned (i ord C b a y m ili p Ca mpbell) Noblee11) and Learned Friend was .s behind - him; and -on - . that occasion Lord Roden said that it was an instance of the 'unfitness of Roman Catholics to be placed upon- juries, because: 'Mn.: O'Gorman, notwithstanding his oath to keep his own counsel and that of his fellows ; declared• in • open court that he had not consented to the finding. The fact was that the fore Man of the. grand ,jury signed the' Bill for " himself and fellows;" when Mr. O'Gorman." said . in .Court that he for one had= not 'agreed. Mr.' O'Gorman had ' a 'son at 'the Irish Bar, who had communicated with him (Lord C.), e and 'transmitted to him references- to • authorities which proved that the jurors were only bound by their oaths to keep Secret the evidence and material facts which came before- thencbut they , were in no wise bound' to conceal in what way they had voted in the jury-room. There was 'a 'case at the Old Bailey, on which the Chief Justice presided, and actually examined the jury individually in Court as to the way in which they-had voted s and in another case Lord Kenyon riled that grand juror. could be examined • upon- a trial to prove whether or not the evidence ' of 'the • prosecuting wit ness was the same • in . Court -- at the trial with that ' which' had given before the jury. It was quite 'enough if twelve 'concurred in finding the bill; the dissent of those Who did not was of no importance.- He should not conclude by any formal Lord BROUGHAM thought there was no oc casicm for that there was nothing objectionable in the' mode taken to defend an absent person. But its-was only right that he should state there must be a great mistake either in the report or the recollection of the NOble and Learned Lord, if he supposed that Lord' Roden meant :to throw any imputation on Mr. O'Gorman of having violated his oath. But the Noble Earl was arguing on the dan ger of leaving Roman Catholics on the petty jury, and in order's to illustrate this, he stated that the trials were looked on so much as a Catholic question in Ireland, that this respectable individual, a Catholic,vvas so apprehensive and-alarmed at the effects of being supposed to have agreed with the other grand jurors that he did avery unusual thing—he came into open Court, and declared that he did not, concur in the finding. • Certainly there was no intention on the part of Lord Roden to impute anything like moral perjury to Mr. O'Gorman. Lord CAMPBELL said he had not intended to in troduce anything of a controversial nature into the question. ' The Marquis of WESTMEATH bore testimony to the honourable conduct of Mr. O'Gorman when assistant barrister of the county in which he lived. After a few words from Lord WBARNCLIFFE and Lord CAMPBELL, the conversation dropped. FREE TRADE. Lord CLARENDON (on behalf of Lord Radnor) postponed the presentation of the petition from the county of Somerset, in favour of free trade, till Thursday, the 29th inst.' • - TRADE WITH TURKEY. ' - Lord BEAUMONT asked if it would be conra. nient for the Government to lay on the table any copies or extracts of correspondence between the Foreign-office and the Porte, relating to the duties on British goods imported into Turkey. The Earl of ABERDEEN made no objection to laying the correspondence on the table. JURIES IN IRELAND. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE gave notice of his intention to move that there 'be laid before the House any instructions that had been given in Ireland with regard to the mode of striking juries. He did not fix any day for that motion. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Feb. 26. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. On the motion of Sir T. FREMANTLE, the SPEAKER directed his warrant to issue for a new writ for the election of a Member for Londonderry in the room of R. Bateson, Esq., deceased. MANCHESTER AND LEEDS RAILWAY. Mr. HARDY moved the second reading of the Manchester and Leeds Railway (Bury branch). Mr. T. EGERTON took the opportunity of re nlarking on the want of formality in referring some of those branch Railway Bills to the York Railway Committee, and others to the Leeds Railway Commit tee. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed. Several Railway. Bills were advanced a stage. On the motion that Sang's Naturalization Bill be read a second time, Mr. HARCOURT moved, pursuant to notice, that it be an instruction to the Committee of Selection, that the Committee on Sang's Naturalization Bill have leave to sit on Wednesday next, and that the Commit tee on the Bill have leave to report on the same day. The motion was agreed to, and the Bill read a second time, and ordered to be committed. Mr. AGLIONBY brought up the Report on the Basingstoke and Southampton Railway Bill. REPEAL OP THE UNION. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the Corporation of Dublin, under the seal of the Corpo ration, praying for a repeal of the legislative union between England and Ireland. The petitioners stated that the Act of Unioa was passed against the will of the Irish people, at a time when martial law had been proclaimed, when the Habeas Corpus Act had been suspended, and when the militarT force in Ire land had been greatly augmented. Ihe petitioners further stated that to obtain the Act of Union the sum of 1,500,0001. was expended in the most profligate bribery. They also stated that the result of the union had been that 2,300,000 paupers had been spread over the land, being upwards of ons fourth of the whole population. The Honour able and Learned Gentleman, in bringing up the petition, said that in entrusting the petition to him the Corporation of Dublin did not intend to re linquish the right of presenting petitions at the bar of the House. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman also presented forty-seven petitions from Leinster, with 126,976 signatures attached; fifty-seven from Munster, with 102,397 signatures; forty-three from Ulster, with 95,835 signatures ; thirty-five from Connaught, with 55,600 signatures ; one from England, with 70,000 signatures ; one from Glasgow, 'with 1,587 signatures ; and one from British subjects in Nova Scotia, with 2,700 sig natures. The total number of signatures to these petitions being 387,864, all praying for the repeal of the legislative union between England and Ireland. STOPPAGE OF THE SUPPLIES. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from Edinburgh, signed by 17,000 of the inhabitants. The petitioners complained of the state of the representa tion, the system of protective and differential duties, and of the extent of taxation, and the law of primo geniture. They prayed that these grievances might be taken into immediate consideration by the House, and that the supplies might not be voted till such a course was adopted; also a petition from Newcastle upon-Tyne, containing nearly similar allegations, and the same prayer. THE BIRMIIki GHAM NAVIGATION BILL. This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY BILL. On the motion of Mr. C. RUSSELL, this Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. Mr. C. BERKELEY presented a petition, com plaining. of certain clauses in the Bill. DUTY ON PAPER. Mr. MACAULAY presented a petition from the publishing trade, against the present excise duty on paper. Mr. DENNISTOUN presented a petition, agreed to at a public meeting at Glasgow, presided over by the, Lord Provost, condemning the. Ministerial policy in :Ireland, and praying that immediate steps be taken to investigate into the causes that produce so much discontent in that country. .4lr. WALLACE presented a petition from an in dividual in Dublin, complaining of injustice done him by public officers in that city, and praying the House to take his case into consideratiOn: • • COUNTY BANKRUPTCY COURTS. Mr. SCOTT gave notice that he would, to morrow, move for returns relating to the Courts of Bankruptcy in Manchester, Liverpool, and other towns in the north of England. THE NEW POOR-LAW. Mr. B. COCHRANE gave notice, that on the Order of the Day for going into Committee on the Poor-laws' Amendment Act, hi would move a resolu tion, to the effect, " That notwithstanding thd im proveittnt, proposed by that Bill; the provisions made for the , poor were inadequate, and the provisions of the Bill were contrary to the principles of the Constitution, and inconsistent with the dictates of humanity'and VALUATION OF LAND IN IRELAND. Sir D. 31 ORREYS gave notice that he would to morrow put a question to the Noble Lord the Se cretary for Ireland, relating to 'the valuation of land in that country. -RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTION IN FACTORIES. Mr. WALLACE rose to move that the petitions which he had presented from certain preachers in the west, of Scotland, praying that they should be in 'eluded in the provisions of the Factories Bill for reli gious• instruction, be printed. - - Mr. BROTHERTON said that there was no need for t haste in the printing ©f these petitions, as -in a day or_two they would_ be printed by order of the Select Committee on petitions: • - The SPBAKER said that the• motion of the Hon. Meinber for -Greenock was against the rules of the House, which referred the printing of petitions to the Select Committee. ' - r. WALLACE then withdrew his_motion. SW'PLY—GRIEVANCES OF THE PEOPLE. pon the Order of the Day-being read for the iTollse resolving itself into a Committee of Supply on -the Estimates Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD rose to move an -amendment to the effect,' that the consideration of 'the Estimates be postponed.. In doing so he said he was - actuated• s by- no party cot sideration% and he should endeavour as briefly as 'possible to state his reasons- for the course he was about , to adopt. During the late • debate, which occupied they Hottse for. such a length of time, he took no part, because he was aware that it would be. attended with , no practical result, for he thought it was little more than a firing of blank cartridge without any effect. He thoughtit was merely a vote for party purposes, in which the great interests of the nation were for- gotten ; in fact, it w as a question -which turned upon the numerical strength of the two parties, instead of being a battle fought for the purpose of protecting the interests of • -the great amasses of . the people. When a hostile army 'invaded a country, the best course to be pursued by the invaded was to cut off the supplies of, their enemies. He should adopt, in a political sense, the same movement, and endeavour to , limit the powers of the intruding party, by cutting off the means by which alone he could carry on his operations. It was on this principle that he then came forward to endeavour to bring forward this motion,' It Was not an . attempt to rally the broken forces ' of the Noble. LOrd the, Member for . London. The Noble Lord had not the country with- him. Ho did not rest on those principles, which would bring the people in aid of him. What he wished to do was to rally a force out of that House' in support of mea sures that were really wanted. The resolution he brought forward on a former occasion had been in some degree misunderstood.- It recited a number of grievance's of which the people complained, and said they ought to be redressed ; but the parti cular grievance it recited was that which re garded the representation. 'The Honourable Member , for Montrose seemed to object to the reso lution, because he said it was one that denied the com -petency of that. Rouse. He did deny the competency of that House to vote supplies if the charges that were brought against the House were true. He still disputed its, right on the same grounds. . The petition presented to that House by the Chartists made the same charges ; :a .petition had at a more recent period been presented, which still' snore , completely denied the competency of that House. It was re ceived and laid on' the table. It was a petition from Birmingham, signed by the Mayor of that town ; it declared that the House did not represent the people, and that 950,000 electors returned a majority of the Members of that House. A large portion of the Members of that House got into Parliament by the most profligate and corrupt ' means, and such being the case, no attention was paid to the wants of the people. The Members of that House betrayed a gross ignorance of .the condition of the peopi.e, and a recklessness for their welfare ; in short they made laws for ,the purpose of clepresAng people.' Now the petition to which he had been referring was a petition which charged that House with not being the representatives of the ,people — the petition ()hared that direetly.the terms were not qualified, but direct and peremptory. The House had received that petition of the people, and had directed it to be laid on the table ; was it not, there fore, necessary for the House to investigate these charges ? He called upon any Member of that House to deny, if he could, the charges made in the petition He would repeat, that that House was not competent to do any act, or vote any supplies till its Members had refuted the charges contained in the petition to which he had referred. He offered to the House, the other day, a petition signed by 900,000 persons. complain ing that the House did not represent the people, and the House would not receive it, on the ground that it could not be considered the petition of the people. With reprd to the suffrage, he did not ask the House to come to the particular opinions he entertained, before they came to a vote ; but what he did ask was, were they virtually the representatives of the people ?—(Hear, hear.) It was true they represented the landed aristocracy, part of the middle classes, the moneyed classes ; but a great body of the people—the working classes—were not represented at all. He would ask the House whether they virtually represented the people, and if they did. not, how, he would ask, could they do any act, or vote any supplies ?—(Hear.) The motion with which he had to conclude was, that the grant of the supplies should be deferred until after Easter. The first step the House should take before granting one farthing of the supplies, was to have the whole estimates before them—to see what the income was, and what the expenditure was proposed to be. From the year 1836 to 1844 the national expenditure had greatly increased, and he thought that House had to consider why it had so increased. To this end the estimates ought, in his opinion, to be referred to a Committee. On this subject he certainly thought he was entitled to the support of all those who called themselves economists. The support of the Hon. Member for Montrose (Mr. Hume) he par ticularly claimed. Those Members, who advocated the repeal of the corn-laws, ought to support him, for no greater grievance could there be than those laws in flicted. The Irish Members ought to support him for they had grievancies, indeed, to complain of. The Irish people demanded the same corporate reform as that which had been granted to England; they demanded also a greater number of representatives in that House ; and lastly, they demanded an equali zation of religious freedom with England, and Scot land. Now, had the Irish Members any reason to expect that they would obtain any of those great objects ? No, they had not; but the Irish Members should not go home without having first made every exertion towards obtain ing these objects. Ile said unless these demands were granted Ireland would be justified in using every lawful means to obtain a repeal of the union.— (Hear, hear.) He had lately heard the construction of the law with respect to public meetings argued most ingeniously by lawyers, but the. construction put upon the law was to little purpose, if the Government had a large force at its command. The Government might take the opinion of their law-officers, but the real interpreter they would refer to would be the Field-Marshal com manding the troops. The Government, when it wished to oppress the people, could easily stretch the law to effect that oppression. The only question they considered, when they wished to practise such oppression was, whether they had sufficient force to enable them to do so; and the Commander-in-Chief was the officer they consulted. Nothing could more clearly show this than a reference to Irish history. In 1782 the people of Ireland asserted their rights, and they asserted them with arms in their hands. Did any Government say they were illegal ? No; because no Government had the power, and the people of Ireland then had arms in their hands. Such was the case of the volunteers. But the state of things was altered now ; and they leld ms Bills for the Irish people instead of the Irish people having arms. The Irish journals of that period record that an address had been presented by the House of Commons to the Lord Lieutenant, stating what had been gained for Ireland by the volunteers as to the independence of the Irish Parliament and of the Irish judges. The vo lunteers continued to assemble in arms for twelve or thirteen years, and it was never declared that their meetings were illegal, or that they were guilty of any conspiracy. On the contrary, they received the thanks of Parliament on four different occasions for the' aid they gave in defence of the country, and also for that which they gave in aid of the civil power. In the following year 3,000 troops were withdrawn from Ireland, the ordinary force being 12,000, and those who remained were recruits and undisciplined soldiers. The people were left to their own protection. How different was the state of things now ? The Right Honourable Beronet in his speech commented on the nature of the Irish Parliament, and he (Mr. S. Crawford) admitted that it had become as corrupt a Parliament as could well be ; but it had neverthe less: during its existence conferred incalculable benefits upon the - Irish people, for it was possible that some times the most eotrupt bodies could be influenced by the purest motives towards the people. In conse quence of the corruptions of the Parliament, and the divisions amongst the people, the Irish nation lost all power, and down to this day the evil had remained in full force, after the consequences of the unfortunate rebellion of 1798. A state of suffering and violence had pervaded that country ever since, from one cause or another, but most chiefly from supporting the domi nation of a small party, to the exclusion of the great majority. He was surprised that no allusion had been made to the Arms Act, because he thought a great mass of evil would arise from the opera tion of the Bill ; but he supposed the reason for this silence was that the working out of that Act was found quite impracticable in the present day. With respect to the Landlord and Tenant Commission, all he should say was that many persons looked at it with great doubt, because it was imagined there was a desire to screen the landlords from the effects of the Commission. Now the Government, in excusing themselves for the use of military power, said that they were not the cause of the agitation which had been raised in Ire land. He must deny them that apology. There would be no agitation which could be at all dangerous to the Government if it were not for their obstinate refusal to redress the grievances of Ireland. It was this which caused agita tion, and what he maintained was, that the Government ought not to be permitted to keep up an army which would enable them to refuse redress. There had been a considerable manifestation of pub lic feeling in favour of the course which he had felt it his duty to take on that occasion. On referring to the votes of the House, he found that petitions had been presented from thirty-four different places, calling upon the House to refuse supplies until the grievances of the people should have been redressed. The petition which he (Mr. S. Crawford) had presented that day from the city of Edinburgh well deserved tile attention of the House ; that petition was signed by 17,000 persons. In order to show that he was justified by the feelings of his constituents in taking this course, he need only refer to the memorial which had been sent 'to him from the borough of Rochdale. The Honourable Member then read a memorial to the effect that the refusal of supplies until the grievances of the people had been redressed, was, in the opinion of the memorialists, a constitutional, just, and necessary course,and highly approving of the announce ment of that course by the Hon. Gentleman. This peti tion was signed by 5,500 inhabitants of Roch dale, and by 400 electors—a larger number than had voted for him at the time of his re turn for that borough. He admitted that opposition to the Government in the voting of sup plies ought not to be undertaken on light grounds. the question was, were there 'sufficient grounds now to justify such a course? In his judg• meet the grounds were amply sufficient. The liberties of the people were in danger. If such proceedings as had taken place in Ireland were permitted to continue, the power of the people to express their opinions would be suppressed. fhere was a disposition exhibited to restrain the liberty of speech ; and on this account, among others, it was necessary to pursue this course. The country was in a most alarming condition, and it was indis pensably necessary that those Members who re presented the people in that House should take such means as were in their power to secure redress. Those who maintained that no other power than moral power should be resorted to by the people, and who deprecated the use of physical force, were bound to use every means in their power to show that moral power was not unavailing, lest men should resort to other means to obtain redress. He might possibly be asked, what would be the effect of this remedy if it were capable of being carried out. He admitted that the result would necessarily be, either that the Minister must redress grievances or resign. He did not desire to see the Right Ho nourable Baronet in that position, if he would only hold out the sm a ll es t h ope of redress. He did not hope that he alone could make any impression on the House in reference to this question ; all he could do was, to ask the Right Hon. Baronet to take the grievances of the country into his serious consideration. He wished to prevent any supply being voted until some indications should he given of an intention, on the part of the Government, to redress the grievances of the people. Whether such a course should be adopted or not, depended upon the other representa tives of the people. He had done his duty by pro posing the course which he had proposed. l'he House would adopt whatever course it might think proper. He had abstained from malting any mere ad captandunz proposition for the mere purpose of catching a few stray votes. He thought that is great stand.ought to be made by the representatives of the country, particularly when the army estimates should be proposed. The Hon. Member -concluded by formally propo s i ng his motion. o p ti v o e n sai d se , n s tte l _ that withoutN , i n s r e egr con e d t in himself to the notice of the Hous e. He Preset! P` aicain st himself for the purpose of entering the course which it appeared the oveTry‘rent ai d, t g ha t t ir he was determined to adopt towards AM The House would bear in mind that; the course of the Irish discussion, he had had .10 portunity of addressing the House. The numiWr English Members Whoho had addressed the Hou ti, gre; the subject had exceeded that of Irish Members.. thought the social and political condition o f 1- was such as to demand inquiry. Let the I la' remember what M. de Beaumont, a person x n cos; nected with any English or Iris;.-1 political par' ki said as to the state of Ireland. ('ihe Hon. an. lant Officer here read an extract froZi M. de Bee . ; mont's work, in which that gentlemai: 4atee th a t the condition of the North American Indian, ;. '; as regarded physical comforts, was superb , . b o that of the Irish peasant—that it was ixnpos slter to find in the world a race of men subject to g-te, 'n the physical privations than the Irish peasantry; th ce d greater portion of the population of Ireland w upon potatoes, and that whereas, in other coun r e e s d ' beggars formed the exception, in Ireland they fa 0 1 the rule. Surely, when such was the state of thecou inquiry into its condition was imperatively &Melt He knew it must weary the House to speak on t, r 1,,," subject of Ireland after the long debate that had takt" place on that subject. but the. House must recolleeVt. that more English Members had spoken than Irish,' and he hoped therefore the House would alloy him to say a few words. During the whole discussion in Ireland the temperance movement had never once been alluded to.—(Hear, hear.) t he had not had an intelligible answer yet from Right Hon. Gentleman as to what bourse h e , intended to pursue with respect to Irel' n " . He had held out no hopes of redress for the wrongs of the people of Ireland. For the pre sent the door might be considered shut against t h i e , Irish people. The Irish Members must go tt n , and tell their constituents that there ivere hopes for the people of Ireland from that 1 - l'an s ` . He had heard the other evening, with some ix:1(141; 60n, an Hon. and Gallant Member express s that agitation should be put down in that House:' (Colonel Rawden) said that that House was the Pla ce for agitation—the constitutional and the proper plaice' He still clung to the Act of Union, but when he heat' such expressions as those he had alluded to, his feelingb"., he must say, began to waver. If there could be found one way more successful than another to increase agitation, it would be in attempting to suppress the discussion of Irish grievances in that House. n ° sincerely believed the time was come whe n Irishmen should make themselves more heard in that House. They must be more heard, for the . Govern' ment were not determined on what was necessary and right. He could assure the .Right . Honourable Baronet (Sir Robert Peel), that however concilie tory his expressions were, he could see nothil tangible in his intentions. he Right Hon. Baili°_ t e might stave off substantial measures for a time, ht" it would be only for a time. Until he co nsented W a great alteration in the Church, and to a fran chise equal to that of England, there could be no hope °( permanent peace in Ireland. For these reasons he seconded the motion. Sir H. DOUGLAS, in reply to what had faill from the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman, said he con , ' assure him that he had not spoken hastily on the Sub; ject to which the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman ha' alluded, and certainly he had not spoken any bad feeling to Ireland. What he h'‘ f stated was, that he considered the motion the Noble Lord opposite (Lord John Russe ll ) to be a motion for party purposes, and not for the go of Ireland ; and he further stated that when th e l motion should )''triumphantly negatived, he sh °ll l, be ready to giveeffect to his sincere disposition w t everything*, faiiourfreland, stopping short 0 1 ' 1 9 that point. . to go. beyoe &which _would be e lf injurious to both England and.rridand. Mr. W. WILLIAIIS said'' he had listened wi t/1 great attention to the speech of his 1 1 - 012°ur i able Friend, the Member for Rochdale, but he Inn confess that he did, not think his Honourable•F rien e had made - ont,,any case for the postponement of th e present Committee of Supply. If his Hon. Friene had introduced into his motion a proposition that th estimates should be laid before the House, before an l portion of them should - be voted for the purr' s. , of such estimates being referred to a Select Commit; he (Mr. Williams) would then have supporte d Hon. Friend. His Hon. Friend, however, inel: proposed a postponement of the estimates until nter Easter, without showing any distinct or cl e d , ground why that course should be adopt, He (Mr. Williams) thought the House 4as fO r4 • & ta entitled, not only to have the army gator' t j o but the ordnance estimates also laid before thorns order that they might be well considered hef° l they were voted. Ile thought too that the C hanee jA for of the Exchequer ought to lay his .. financ budget before the Parliament before any puni:, t money was voted, in order that the House m i C. see how the money was to be •' obtaine; The Right Hon. Gentleman, the Chancellor ef ts ,,• t e , Exchequer, had stated last year that there hsclL — n - / a balance of receipts over expenditure of 1,40 0 1,„,,z" but it appeared that there was not a single Ear n, saved ; for on the other side of the see ? ?,.7 e d it appeared that 1,300,0001. had been rec el i; o i, from the sale of the Chinese dollars, and 1,60 0,0 had been paid for the China opium which had had seized. It was admitted that the income-tax fer brought in 5,500,0001., but the public h un t received any , account of the real 1 1 4 of taxation in the financial statement, •11 been 1 were not aware that 4,500,000/. had _ tercepted by the various public officers of its way to the Treasury. The CommissionerS,... Customs had been denounced as unfit for the ote`i, vise of the trust reposed in them. They in, o f ceed an amount of taxation to the amounkyo, 1,200,0001. If there was a Select Committee ptho perly constituted, not composed of Members ° of, existing Government, or of the late Govern but of independent Members of Parliament, attecAbe to no party, he had no doubt it would prove , frcnntest practice and experience of former years , to p a large amount might be saved to the : coo ti o He Would ask, what reason could there be krensat• enormous expenditure of the public money, " pd. the the opening of the session her Majesty had inforn i- f the House that she had the strongest assurances n re iga most amicable disposition on the part of all f° t ee Powers, of uninterrupted peace ? What w ere es' actual facts of the case ? Why, that in the nn s : i Ti o n 4 timates there was an increase of nearly two lin hoa ld sterling over that of the year 1835. Now he !." call on the Hon. Gentleman opposite to explain ',„ ° li irea House why a sum of 25,000/. more was re 'erf e for the expense of the marine force intended to ears , on shore, than what it was in former 4. t i o es He (Mr. :Williams) thought this was a surrerivot mode of keeping up a standing army. 0 0 else, he would ask, could be their Two' for keeping up an army of 129,677 men , A uo otri army than ever was known in this e°h 01(1 o since 'the occupation of France ? 11 e. 5° like to hear this explained, the 134 ,,° r- i t ele when they considered that, independent of ~,.t iPS„ . army, no less than 10,000 pensioners had d also bodied by a vote of that House last ye-IWO ° stir that they had 20,000 armed police. Did the)" o l d port this large military establishment beca lss fore e ' proposed to govern the country by militar.Y (o rsie for if they did not in the present state of the refere e relations of this country, there could be no PrA for it. The Right Hon. Baronet opposite beo'n he was obliged to support this enormous w i llies' s) count of the state of Ireland, but he (Mr. 0 .0 0 contended that the necessity for doing the govl' solely from the policy pursued by the Righ t *„,el t, n Gentleman towards the country. It was Pr°P - 5 1, 0 0 11 ` vote 34,000 men for the navy this year. like to know how was such a large force as th rise quired now, when in 1822 the naval force co 1 8,0 00 only 21,000 men, namely, 13,000 seamen, all 1 8369 marines? In the years, 1832, 1833, 1834, anureeete, only 27,000 men were voted for this service. was another important question - -to which he. t 0 9 6 to direct the attention of the House, a nd 1 f rife t : matter upon which the Admiralty' had ne ve " ,. c i thi l " any satisfactory information to the House, llit,s t , for was the large amount of the naval pensi o n I the the amount of these pensions was more this le n n t og it was in the year 1818, after the wart W B i e o ff, en",, were a great number of o ffi cers pension e d the it was likely to have more upon tn the $a than at any other riod, owing to merous casualties in cident to the vv n i r ..; s tate should wish the Right Hon. Baronet in the, why there had been so great an increas!_...A pensions to naval o ffi cers. He coraplatT btia the manner in which the naval estinlaf ,jaia9 been made out. The army estimates wel t ° to the but such was not the case with res?'",. e . pen navy. Now, what was the amount o f to r ro e sions iven to the widows and children ° o p?, officers? In 1818 the whole amount of 1 8 ge given to those individuals was 18,800 1 .; in 210, 00 0 5 a was 112,000/., while this year it was ew iebs i Now, he should like to know why this vast incr _ e we taken place: When they tompared the a mount In c ireal by the naval officers, and their widows and 0 1. 01 ,gbb with the amount given to sailors, the men /it o f th a t their battles, what did they get? WV' ° Wes 10p0,000i., they got about 207,00 01 - to he supposed that these men w° 94 ,oset` satisfied, and not consider themselve s de' He would next advert to the pensions in the.oredee partment of the Admiralty. Aft er the las t pen tion of the war establishment, the amonntthi,f Ve sions in, this department was 99,600/, OA, oel ie t it came to no less a sum than 162,0 0 - 4 double what it was at the close of thew f 0. o rt 1 , 5 t wanted to know what circumstances esuLkyal"" , ~' extra expenditure., Then there war. the 1