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- - TUESDAY ?TIGHT'S GAZETTE. WHITEHALL, Juriz 2, 1845. The Queen has been pleased to appoint the Right Hon. Dunbar James earl 4delkirk to be Lieutenant and Sheriff Principal Othos ste..4irtry of Kirkcudbright, in the room of the Right Hon. Dolph Earl of Galloway, resigned. DOVarING-STREET, Jusiz 2. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Alfred Stephen, Esq., to be Chief Justice of the colony of New South Wales. Her Majesty has also been pleased to appoint William Montagu Manning, Esq., to be her Majesty's Solicitor .Ge neral for the colony of New South Wales. Her Majesty has further been pleased to appoint William Henry M‘C,oy, Esq., to be Provost Marshal for the island of Dominica. COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH. Trinity Term—Eighth Victoria. June 3, 1845. This Court will, on Friday the 13th, Saturday the 14th, Thursday the 19th, and on all the other days (except Sun days) of this instant June, and on Tuesday s July the Ist, and the three following days, held Sittings, and dispose of business in the Crown Paper, the Special Paper, the New Trial Paper, and will give Judgment in Cases then pen ding. BY TIM COURT. COURT OF EXCHEQUER Trinity Term—Eighth Victoria. This Court will, on Wednesday, the lath day of June in stant, hold sittings, and will proceed in disposing of the business now pending in the Special Paper, on the raid 18th day of the said month, and on every following day (Sundays excepted), until and inclusive of Thursday, the 10th day of July next ; and on the said 18th day Of June instant, and every following day (Sundays exc e pt ed ) , until and inclusive of Thursday, the 10th day of July next, will also proceed in disposing of the business now pending in the paper of new trials. BY THE COURT. Read in open Court, the 3d of Jane, 1845, EDWD. BENNETT. WHITEHALL, APRIL 22. The Lord Chancellor has appointed William Nall, of Ship ston-on-Stour, in the county of Worcester, Gent., to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. WHITEHALL, MAY 27. The Lord Chancellor has appointed Samuel Stringer, of Stockport, in the county palatine of Chester , G ent., to be a Master xtraordinary in the High Court of Chancery. WHITEHALL, MAY 29. The Lord Chancellor has appointed George Kenyon, of Thorne, in the county of York, Gent., to be a Master Extra ordinary in the High Court of Chancery. BANKRUPTCIES SUPERSEDED. Thomas Cooke, glove manufacturer, Leicester. George Barlow Scholee, muslin manufacturer, Lostock-hall, Lancashire. BANKRUPTS. John Penn Bradly and George James Bradly, wine mer chants, Great St. Helens, to surrender June 13 and July 15, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee, Basinghall-street ; Harrisons, Walbrook. William Matthews, pianoforte maker, Lisson-grove North, Middlesex, June 12, at half-past eleven, and; July 18, at t welve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Pennell, official as guee, Basinghall-street ; Weightman, Warwick-court, ray's-inn. William Clarkson, boot and shoe manufacturer, Redcross street, City, June 17, at two, and July 15, at eleven, at the Court of Ilankruptcy. Groom, official assignee, Abchurch lane, Lombard-street; Llewellin, Noble-street, Cheapeide. Stephen Fawcett, linen draper, Chiswell-street, June 17, at ore, and July 11, at half-put eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Groom, official assigne, Abchureh-lane ; Faw cett, Jew in-street, Cripplegate. John Yates, ship-owner, York-road, Lambeth, June 13, at half-past twelve, and July 7, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Turquand, official assignee, Old Jewry-cham bers, London ; Wood and Wickham, Corbet-court, Grace church-street. Johh Mohon and Richard Simons, wine-merchants Min cing -lane, June 16, at half-past eleven, and July 14, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee, Aldermanbury ; May, Queen-square, Bloomsbury. Francis Harrington Church, surgeon, Southampton, June 10, at half-past one, and July 9, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Johnson, official assignee, Basinghall-street ; Humphreys, Newgate-street. William Asti*, plumber, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, June 13, and July 10, at eleven, at the Birmingham District Court. Bittleston,_official assignee, Birmingham ; Walker, Wolverhampton ; Capes and Stuart, Gray's Inn, London. Lazenby Pearson, currier, Newcastle-upon-Tyne June 11, at eleven, and July 15, at two, at the Newcastle - upon - Tyne District Court. Baker, official assignee, Newcastle. upon- Tvne ; Williamson and Hill, Gray's Inn, London ; Ingledew, Yew castle-upon Tyne. Join Pitt, Plymouth, grocer, June 12 and July 17, at ene, at the Exeter District Court. Hemaman, official assignee, Exeter; Cross, Plymouth ; Gregory and Co., Bedford row, London ; and Terrell, Exeter. John Church. Dempsey, picture-dealer, Bristol, June 17, and July 15, at eleven, at the Bristol District Court. Kynas ton, official assignee, Bristol ; Galsworthy and Co., Cook's wart, London ; Gray, Bristol. . . DIVIDENDS DECLARED. • G. E. White, tailor, Reading—first div. of ss. in the pound, any Wednesday, at the office of Mr. Graham, Coleman-street, City. H. A. Wood, Blackhall factor, Basingliall- street—third div. of 4i4cl. in the pound, any Wednesday, at the office of Mr. Whitmore, Basinghall-street. J. Johnson, miller, Austen, Yerl - aliire—first and final div. of Is. sd. in the pound, and to those who have received a for mer dividend, a final div. of ad in the pound, June 4 and any following day, at the office of Mr. Young, Leeds. W. Ileginbottom, cotton spinner, Asliton-under-Lyne— final div. of 2d. in the pound., Jane 10 and any fallowing day, or a first and final div. of 2s. Bd. in the pound, at the office of &Ir. Fraser, Manchester. (Dividends, &c., in our next.) MARKET INTELLIGE'NCE. C 011.74 Di.a.;;LILET. Holywell 3 am, 3 t. op, s; s 14s.;.:raylor's.West Hartley, 17s 6d j • Wall's-and, Bell Rob son, 163 6d ; Killingwortb, 17 s ; Braddyll's Hetton, 18s 9d ; Ett.it Helton, lis 3d ; Lambton, 188 9d •' Hartlepool, 188 9d ; Relies, 183; Brow 'a Deanery , 18 s ; Seymour Tees, 18s ; South Darbam, 17s 6d ; Llangenneeb, 21s ; New Walker, 168. —Ships arrived, 23. ( From the Landon Yew Price Current of June 3..) Si:Cr:mt.—To-day there was much inquiry after West India Muscovado Sugar, but business was checked by the scanty supply at market. A public sale of 118 hhds and 7 tierces of - llarbadoes went off with much spirit, at an advance of 6cl to Is per cwt. I:Er;Nma.—To-day Refined goods were much wanted Ly the - .llonie Trade, but few parcels were to be met with, standard Jumps fetched 71s Gd td 725, and brown lumps 69s Gd to 70s per cwt. l' . .at - itrriirs.—This afternoon Mauritius Sugar was in ex cellent request, and 3,743 bags 21 casks at public sale sold at full market rates. INDI t.—This afternoon 4,975 boxes of China Sugar, in bond with certificate, were brought to the hammer, and sold at good market prices. There were five public sales- of Bengal Sugar, comprising 3,272 bags, duty paid, of which 1,036 bags of date were taken in above the value. MOLASSES.—The demand has been brisk for West India, the rates paid exhibit an advance on those previously quoted of 61 to is per cwt, and the purchases amount to 400 puns. FOREIGN.—To-any 200 hhds 297 barrels of Porto Rico and 277 baskets of Java Sugar were submitted to public corn .peti!lon, but all taken in Is per cwt above the value. Ciiiirns:;--This afternoon Mocha Coffee was less in request, and 581 bales, 30 cases at public sale were only partly sold at, a decline on former rates of Is to Is 6d per cwt ; mid greenish brown clean garbled rather mixed selling at 57s gfiod pale greenish long bean was taken in at 62a pe: cwt ; Ceylon was fraught after by private treaty, good ord pale at 471 to'47s 6d per cwt, but there is little in the market at prcseut. The business transacted in West India was at prices rather above those of Friday—none was offered at auction. Cocem.—British Plantation is still wanted, and a further advance in prices has taken place; some parcels have been sold privately since we last wrote, and at auction 747 bags were disposed of. TEA.—To-day there was a good deal doing in the Tea market, and the rates paid were in most cases rather above those previously quoted; Congon, common sound for cash fetched 914 to 90, good ordinary 104 to lid ; Twankey, clean ordinary yellow leaf is 24d to is 3d, and Hyson, com mon 2e to 2s 6d per lb. Holders of all sorts manifest firm n eas. SPICFA—This afternoon, at public sale, 60 bags of Barba does Ginger were taken in at 42s per cwt for common, which is above the value. 111,*31, BRANDT, AND HOLLANEVS. —A Government con tract for 100,000 gallons of Rum, half East and half West India, hiving unexpectedly appeared has occasioned an ex tctisive demand for Leeward Island Rum, and an advance in price of Id per gallon has taken place ; indeed the market has been nearly cleared, •the latest rates paid were la 8d to is 8!,4d for proof strength, and line brown ditto ls 9d, per gallon. Calcutta has been in request, and prices have risen ld per gallon. For Jamaica no advance at pre sent has occurred. The demand for Brandy has been brisk; but no further advance in prices can be quoted. Of Geneva several parcels have been taken for exportation at Is 13d to Is 9d ; and fine, fit for home consumption, fetch ing 2s 2d to 2s 9d per gallon. English Corn Spirits lOs 2d per gallon, cash. hanico.—The purchases made in East India have been extremely limited, and the rates taken show a slight decline. COCHINEAL has met with more attention, and the parcels disposed of privately have been upon former terms. None has been offered at auction. COURSE OF EXCLIA/ Amsterdam . CF l2 84 Ditto, at night 12 6i _Rotterdam 2U. 12 9 •Antwerp .Altona Ra mbargh 14 0 Maris, 3 days' sight 25 95 Xiitto, 3 aaonths...- 26 15 Marseilles ... 26 15 Mourdeaux_ Afrankfort onlains- 123 13erlin Petersburgh, 3 Us... rGE.-(YESTERDAY.) Gibraltar... . .. — Leghorn ..... 3O 80 Genoa 26 15 Milan ...... ..... Venice • • • • Naples 391 Palermo, per oz ll9 Lisbon 53 Oporto,. • Rio Janol,ro••• 23i Bahia . ..... Buenos Ayrea New York .22dyssight PRICP:BOY BULLION, PER OZ. Foreign Gokl,bars.-£3 17 9 Portugal Gold Coin 3 17 5 -Nerw Doebloons..... 0 0 0 New Doliars 0 4 9i Silver in Bars.-- 0 4 1 1* Vienna, effee. jail. 10 4 Trieste, ditto . lO 5 Madrid-- 364 Bilbao Barcelona Seville THE COMMUNICATION WITUFRANC E via BRIGHTON, Dieppe, and Havre, this year has far exceeded the number conveyed last year. The travellera,p .g by the Brighton f l ht, h according to packet reach Dieppe in the afternoon • the tide ; and however late they may arrive cleared immediately . , and the diligence starts in t e 'rn bag to ga c g a e t e i h s the first train at Rouen, about to leave for Paris -ta th e e customs and police give every facility in examining luggage night. The Brighton Railway Company always in dispatchthea special train from Bright on to Shor e h am , when thpacket does not call at the pier, also when the sailing of the packet does not accord with their regular trains. So that passengers going down by the ordinary hours of departure are sure of being sent on, if necessary, which is also the case on the arri val of the packets from Dieppe or Havre. By this route the journey from London to Paris, via Brighton, may be accom plished in the incredible short space of seventeen hours. GREAT NORTH OF ENGLAND RAILWAY.—The fol lowing terms are said to be those offered by Mr. Hudson to the Great North of England Company, and accepted by thd Directors, subject to the sanction of the shareholders of both companies :-10 per cent. per annum on the 100/. shares 10 per cent. on the 401. shares, allow ing the outstanding unpaid amount on these shares to remain un called for iyuears, dating from May, 1844 ; 5 per cent. at present on the 10/. sWes bet 10 per cent. after the exp iration of two years, whether the lffies ' fcr which these shares were raised shall be made or not. Its Lrther proposes to purchase the 100/. shares at 250/. at tie eAd of eye mrs, and the 401. shareg at 1001. when the 351. un "lel-for is Pahl up.-11sridway Record. RAILWAY COMMITTEES. ESTERDAY.) GROUP A. LONDON, MULTI:ULM ®ND N °MIL RENT RAILW &Y. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition cif 3 esterda7.) Mr. Finch, from the office of Mr. Stephenson„ ,it in voluminous details of the population along the line. Mr. Miller, civil engineer, gave evidence of 3xecisely the same character, and equally favourable to this line. The cross-examination elicited nothing material,- _ . . Mr. Thornton, an extensive contractor, had s un 'eyed the whole of the proposed line, with a view to cosatr.acting for the works. He had examined the subsoil in all those parts where any supposed difficulty existed with respect to 'the foundations of ♦iaducts, &c., and he found that there was no dbfficaulty throughout the line which would raise the expense higher t'hai - s Mr. Vignolles had estimated. He had offered to take the whole o f the works at Mr. Vignolles' prices, and he was now in negottati on for the con. tract with the Company on those prices. Mr. Miller, in answer to the Chairmain said, that the Paisley and Glasgow Railway having to compete with a very excellent water carriage upon the Clyde, was consequently not very remu. nerative. Mr. Tite, the president of the Architectural Scicfrety, and archi tect of the Royal Exchange, was examined, to:provt s that the value of the land would not exceed the estimate of Mr.:%/ignolles, which was about 215,0001. Mr. Locke, civil engineer, was also examined, but his evidence was again substantially no more than a corroboration of the pre vious engineering testimony in favour of the North Kent line. He considered that the line was very fortunate indeed in having but one crossing on a level. Mr. B. Sherwood, a contractor for railway tro rks—Had had considerable employment and experience in the tconstruction of works upon railways in France and England. He had examined the schedules of Mr. Vignolles, and would be very happy to take the contract for all the works at the prices of those schedules. Mr. MBAIIDWI4TIIHR, in cross-examination of the witness, re quested to see the schedule of prices at which list 1 . (51r. Sherwood) was willing to take the contract. To this there wit 3 some opposi tion, which gave rise to a somewhat angry discussic .n. The docu ment was ultimately put in, and was found to corn© spond correctly with the schedules already before the Committee. The Committee then adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow. GROUP 88. DUBLIN, 'WEXFORD, AND C..EI .RI.OW RAILWAY. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Jeffers was examined as to the ascents and descents of the line, which he described as of a much more favourable character than those on the coast or opposition line. Mr. Carr put in the traffic tables, founded ups )n the evidence already given. Mr. Carr, Deputy.Chainnan of the Great South( 'rn and Western Railway, and Mr. Waddy, the Parliamentary agent, were briefly examined upon the case for the projectors of this tine. The Committee then adjourned till to.merrow at twelve o'clock, when the case for the opposition to a coast line will be gone into. GROUP DD. IMPORTANT DECISION. THE CALEDONIAN, sum G1...A50 OW, DUM FRIES AND CARLISLE RA3:II.WAY. Board of Trade, to show that in every Instance where a railway ' was contemplated being constructed, the Commissioners had inva riably expressed their opinion that the shortest and most direct line should be adopted. The Learned Gentleman briefly alluded to the claims of the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway Company, and considered they could have nothing to fear from the compe tition of the Caledonian line. He concluded his very lengthened address by expressing his deep convictitri that, looking fairly and deliberately at the great facilities afforded by, and the important interests embraced in, the Caledonian project, the Committee would not hesitate to give their decision in its favour. The room was then ordered to be cleared, and on our re. admission, The CIiTAIIIMA:I said that, it being now five o'clock, beyond which time the Committee were not permitted to sit, they had not yet had sufficient opportunity to go through the whole of the duty which devolved on them ; but, for the convenience of parties, they thought it expedient to announce the resolution they had so far arrived at, viz., that the Committee had agreed to the preamble of the Caledonian Bill, with the exception of the words " with a branch to Dumfries," and would give their decision on the remain ing portion of the case to-marrow. The Committee adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow. The evidence of Mr. Miller (continued from our A fternoon Edition of yesterday—lf more time for further inspection of the locality were given, a shorter line, and a less curved tunnel, could be obtained, and it would not be necessary to introduce more saevere gradients. Neither would the execution of the works take up more time. He had no doubt, from his experience as an engineer that an easier line might be obtained if more time were given. The whole estimate of the expense of executing the 15 miles of railway through the pass was '315,0001. It appeared that the saving, in point of expense, as compared with the construction of that por tion of the Caledonian line extending from Elvara-foot to Carlisle, taking the proportion of Mr. Locke's estimates, amounted to 512,0001. On cross-examination by Mr. Coosnuas, Mr. Miller said he had instructed Mr. Blythe to make a survey of the :Delvine-pass last week. A survey of the ground had been exeetnted last year, but the section was confined to the turnpike road through the pass. He had not given this up in despair, and be should prefer it if he had the choice of a line to Edinburgh. The erigtnal gradient had been lin 70, but it had subsequently been altered to lin 75. The height of the mountain through which the tunnel passed was 1,150 feet above the level of the sea, and is the highest summit on the line. GROUP EE. SCOTTISH MIDLAND R.a.xx.w.tt - r. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Messrs. Jamieson, Gilmour, and Watson were examined, and gave evidence to a similar effect. Mr. Smith, of Deanston, said he was acquainted with the line proposed. He knew the country well through which it passed. He thought the rental of the land in Strathmore was about 11. an acre. The benefit of the railway to the farmers of that district would be very great. He considered the land for four miles on each side of the line would be benefited in rental 2s. per acre, or confer an absolute additional value of 50,0001. per mile of railway on such tract of country. There were very many manufactories in Strathmore, and there was a great probability of their being extended if a railway were formed. The railway would altogether benefit, in the manner he had previously explained, 150,000 acres of land. Mr. Neilson, of Glasgow, said he was a butcher, and was well acquainted with the cattle trade. The greater portion of cattle and sheep for the Glasgow market came from Strathmore. There were about 200 head of cattle brought weekly from that district. They came at present round by Dundee to Edinburgh by steam. boat, and from thence by the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway, or they walked the distance. The long walking injured them very much. The carriage per head at present was 12s. ;if they walked 10s. If the present railway were formed in connexion with the Scottish Central line, he had no doubt they would all be brought by that route, and at a rate of 7s. 6d. each. Cross-examined—He had no certainty that the Scottish Central and the present line would carry cattle at Id. a mile, but he con sidered those railways would find it to be their interest to adopt a low toll. The lines at present in operation carried cattle at Id. a mile. _ . . In reply to a question by Mr. HILDTAAD, the - witness said that additional distance on the proposed branch, as comp ared with the dis tance between Carlisle and Elvanfoot, was from nine to ten miles. Mr. Blythe stated he had proposed the plans an d sections which Mr. Miller had explained to the Committee, ant I perfectly agreed with Mr. Miller as to the practicability of making the proposed branch, but thought that It was susceptible of imearovement. Mr. CocaeUu then called Mr. Locke, the engineer for the Caledonian line, to give evidence. He said ho had sent down several gentlemen last week to survey the pass, and read a letter of instructions which he had transmitted for their guidance in making the survey) from which iC appeared they were not to confine their investigations to the line already made out, but to examine generally the district, and to make allowances for having engineering worms. A distance of 10 miles in the direct line would be lost by ;taking the -branch through the Delvine-pass, and there would be several other grin gent objections to the scheme. One of the priincipal disadvantages, as compared with the Caledonian line, was the necessity of having a tunnel. He considered the curves in the tunnel were highly objectionable, and taking also the circumstance of the gradient being 1 in 73 into view, there was no .doubt this passage through the tunnel would be attended with grey inconvenience, if not with danger. He was of opinion that the tunnelling could not be executed fur less _than 501. per yard. The increased ex pense of working the line the whole distance to Edinburgh would be ten per cent. The proposed detour would ne , t, in his opinion, afford any corresponding advantages to the great inconvenience and expense that would be incurred, and would des tray the objects of the Cale lonian Railway as a direct trunk line irrto Scotland Mr. Foster, mining engineer, deposed that he had had c,ensi '• " the Del,' nc woul — pass, s coi & at less than Gol. per yard. Mr. M`Plice, who had suiveyed the intended branch, entirely corroborated Mr. Locke's evidence. Mr. Pare was then called to show the influence which the con struction of the Dolvine branch would have on the general traffic of the trunk line. above seventy feet high. The expense of rails will be 101. per ton, included in Mr. Peto's contract. The slopes are to 1, wholly unobjectionable, considering the nature of the country. Richard Till, examined by Mr. GIRDIN—Is Secretary of the Norwich and Brandon and Yarmouth and Norwich lines, now amalgamated. These companies have been authorised by the sanction of their Directors to lease the Thetford and Bury line, if constructed—four per cent. and a share in the profits being, as usual, the terms. A formal recapitulation of Sir John Rennie's evidence was then given to prove compliance with the standing orders, and confirma. tion of the traffic, distanee, and time tables made, and the Com mittee adjourned. • • Mr. W. Byers said he was a surveyor of turnpike-roads between Dundee and Strathmore. He was employed in the months of August, September, and October in the past year, and in March in the present, to take the traffic on the route of this line of rail. way. He was engaged a fortnight in each of the first two months, four weeks in September, and a fortnight in March. The vehicle passengers, according to his calculation for the year, were 86,181 ; the foot passengers were 130,130. The latter item included persons who travelled in carts. The total receipts from the passage traffic he estimated at 19,8191 45., allowing the vehicle passengers at 1 1 ,4 d. per mile each ; the foot passengers at Id.; and adding, as it was usual, 100 per cent. for the expected increase of traffic. Before the formation of the Arbroath and Forfar line there was only one coach, yet the passengers carried by that line in 1843 were 81,825. On the Forfar and Newtyle line the number carried was 54,812. The latter railway was also through a county where previously there was scarcely any traffic. His estimate of goods to be carried was 60,000 tons ; this did not include coal and lime, a very large quantity of which would be carried along the line. The witness then went at some length into the number of cattle, sheep, and lambs, taken from out the district in the direction of Perth ; the number of which he represented to be very large. The total receipts from all these sources he calculated at 36,858, and allowing 16,500/. for the working of the line, or 45 per cent., 7 per cent, would remain for the capital invested. This witness was subjected to a long cross-examination, at the close of which the Committee adjourned till twelve o'clock to morrow. The evidence on both sides having been cloned, The CLIIIIIMAN said he had been desired lay the Committee to state, as the precut inquiry had been made to afford them suffi cient Ir.forurati n in arriving at a proper decision, that they wished to express their satisfaction at the creditable manner in which the engineers on either side had conducted their surveys, and at the ready willingness that had been evinced by the diffe rent competing parties in falling in with the views entertained by the Committee. Mr. lIILDYARD then proceeded to address the Committee on be half the Edinburgh and Glagow Railway Company. It was ob jected on their behalf that the forks on the Caledonian line had been carried farther north in their point of divergence than had been contemplated by the Commissioners appointed by Government for the purpose alone of interfering with the traffic on the Edin burgh and Glasgow Railway. It would be recollected that the dividends on that line since its construction did not ave rage more than five per cent., and it would also be remembered by the Committee that the Union Canal Company had been appointed carriers to compete with it. Two alterations had been proposed by the parties for whom he appeared, which consisted in the formation of a junction at Croy and another at Ratho, and it had been intimated by the Committee that this was a good arrangement. Looking also at ti,e differential arguments as between the Caledonian and the Dumfries Railways it would be recollected by the Committee that a line had al ready been laid down to Kilmarnock and Dalteith—that a Bill for making a line to Hawick would be read a third time this very day. The preamble for making a railway from Kilmarnock to Cumnock had been passed; it could not in his opinion be pos sible for the Committee to entertain any doubt that the distances between Hawich and Carlisle and Curaneck and Carlisle must necessarily in a very short period be connected together. As re spected the effect of a litre through the Delvine-pass, it was evident that the whole traffic from north to south would be continued from Canonbridge to Carl:sle, including Dumfries an Annan. The Learned Gentleman referred generally to evidence tendered by Mr. Locke and Mr. Miller on the two proposed lines through the Del vine-pass. lie also quoted from the report of the Commissioners, to show that it was likely that only one line would afford a remu nerative profit through the south of Scotland, and concluded by warning the Committee nol to decide in favour of the Caledonian line. Mr. COCRIBURN then rose and addressed the Committee on be half of the promoters of the Caledonian line. The main question on which the decision of the Committee rested was, which line afforded the greatest facilities and convenience as a direct trunk line between London and the north of Scotland. The Railway Commissioners and the Board of Trade had both entertained the subject, and in both of the report& that had been issued, the Nithsdale Railway had been disapproved of, and the Caledonian line had received the preference. It was, perhaps, a matter entitled to some attention to consider how the public had been Interested GROUP F. THE :LONDON, WORCESTER, AND SOUTH sTAa.rrost,DSHXIZE R,A.T.I.VIALY. GROUP KK. LIVERPOOL. AND HURT LINE. - (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Asstwoarn gave evidence on his direct examination, show ing that frequent delay had occurred on the Liverpool and Man chester line, so that his goods were often detained four or even six days by the railway, and he was consequently subjected to great losses. Sometimes his machinery was idle, waiting for his goods,, when he wished to execute large continental orders, In which dis patch was of the last importance. Mr. George Gordon, land-agent at Bury, was well acquainted with the Liverpool and Bury line, all the way from Wigan to Rochdale. A considerable quantity of hemp and twist were sent from Bolton and Bury to Wigan for manufacture. The people of Stand sent cotton to Wigan to be woven. Bury obtained most of its provisions from the Bolton market. The cost of travelling from Bury to Wigan at present was 61. 6d., and occupied two hours and a halt The distance was thirty miles by the present mode of communication —by the road it was only seventeen miles. A great number of people go upon pleasure excursions at Whitsun tide from Bury to Bolton, 3,000 vi 4,000 a week. Here the Chairman of the Committee left to give evidence upon another railway Committee. Upon his return the witness proceeded to state that with a cheap railway intercourse the third-class passengers between Bury, Bolton, and Wigan would be immense. Approved of the projected line. Bury was a very thriving place. The amount of raw ma terial imported from Liverpool to Bury was 41,778 tons, the carriage of which was 22,7981. 85. at the present rate, which was I Is. per ton. The cost of carriage by the projected line was Bs. 3d., so that there would be an annual saving to the town of Bury in this respect of 5,7441. 9s. 6d. When he spoke of Bury, he in. eluded a circle of three miles around it. The present price of coal at Bury varied from 10s. 2d. to ss. per ton:; at Wigan from 55. to 2s. The carriage by the projected line would be only is. 6d. per ton, so that the difference would be saved to the people of Bury by the new line. The works and domestic consumption in and about Bury would be 469,203 tons yearly, and the saving from using Wigan coal by the proposed line would be 16,9201. Esti mated that the new line would, in point of traffic, be an annual saving to the people of Bury in importing goods from Liverpool and coal from Wigan of 23,690/. ss. 9d. Mr. Baarror cross-examined the witness on behalf of Lord Francis Egerton, but nothing material was elicited. Mr. Walker, M.P. for Bury, had been a manufacturer of steam engines at Bury. There were five or six such works in Bury and its neighbourhood, as well as many large print-works. Considered the present line would be advantageous to Bury. The people of Bury were In favour of the projected line, and presented a petition on the previous evening in favour of the line, signed by 1,650 persons, comprising the most respectable of the inhabitants. Man chester was, however, the great absorbing market in that part of the country. Mr. Hutchinson, a cotton-spinner at Bury, gave evidence in favour of the projected line, but said nothing new or important, except that the postal arrangements between Liverpool and Bury were inefficient, and that the proposed line would remedy the evil. Mr. W. Walker, a cotton manufacturer at Bury, and brother to the Member for Bury, confirmed the testimony of the last witness in every respect. Mr. Thomas Stetten, agent to Lord Denby—Knew the line of country through which the projected line would pass. Consi dered it would be highly advantageous to Bury and Wigan, as well as to the agriculturists near Bury, as it would enable them to obtain large quantities of the best lime and tiag.stones. There was a dense population along the whole line, from Liverpool to Bury. The inhabitants of Bury were almost universally in favour of the line. Wakefield would be greatly benefited by; the line, as the inhabitants were at present very badly supplied with coal. Mr. Meydon said the line would greatly benefit the Rossendale Valley, which was rather densely inhabited. Agreed with the for mer witnesses in the opinions they had expressed in favour of the line, and in their calculations generally. The Committee adjourned when this witness had concluded his evidence. Mr. AUSTIN (in continuation from our Afternoon Edi. tion of yesterday) said—The London and Birmingham Company came before the House offering to make a trunk line, and by so doing they were setting an example to the other great railway companies in the kingdom. If the Honourable Chairman and the other Honourable Members of the Committee ware in the habit of sitting on Canal Committees, they would find the London and Birmingham Railway Company were now offering to carry out, though not compelled, the wishes of the Legislature in railway extension. The ques tion of competition, ;or as he should say, the question of rivalry, did arise in the present case, and it was for the Committee to decide which of the two lines would be of most advantage to the public. In his opening speech he laid bare the whole subject—he pointed out the great advantages that would result to the large tract of country through which the London and Birmingham line would run. His arguments on these grounis were not refuted by any of the arguments advanced the day before by his Learned Friend. True, he talked much of competition. The competition talked of by Mr. Cockburn would in effect be this, that it would enable the stronger company to demand terms which it would not be for the interest of the public, because it would not be for the interest of the smaller company, to accept. For instance, in the case of the broad gauge being laid down to Liverpool, the Grand Junction would be enabled to demand terms from the London and Bir mingham Company which it would not be for the interest of that Company, to accept, and upon the terms being rejected the result would be, that slow trains would be placed on the narrow gauge rails to Liverpool with quick trains upon the broad gauge. That would be the effect of the competition talked of by the other side. The Grand Junction Company,' in complain ing before the Committee of the London and Birming ham, would make it out that they had no interest in the carrying the seat_ Western scheme. How was this proved ? Was it by _ „ Chester din&, -Ted - Then wnlppiiir'Ar`titifilr fare - 3 — a - Tter they had got the traffic into their hands ? They had raised their tolls and charges after getting this line into their hands; and so also would the Great Western, if they were fortu nate enough to get this line; and they would then be acting in conjunction with the Grand Junction Company. This was a pretty example of the competition so much talked of. Much had been adduced on the other side about the line to Holyhead or - Forttlyrillacn, so as to torn a station foi the connexion with Ireland. It was an argument of no weight; it was an argument fully answered by the already ex isting line to Holyhead. The Government proved by the contract with the Chester and Holyhead Company that the advantages spoken of by the Learned Counsel for the Great Western Company were of no consideration, in fact of no available benefit to the connexion with Ireland. They had amply proved it by entering into two contracts with the existing line to Holyhead—one for seven years and one for five years. Would Government enter into such contracts for the conveyance of the mails, which was a matter of the greatest consequence? The arguments for this scheme of connecting the county by a nearer communication provided, said a few of his Learned Friend's witnesses, that it would be found that Portdynllaen was nearer to a part of Ire land than Holyhead. Here was the subject of the North Wales line left in futuro, all depending on contingencies—one of those contingencies being the carrying of the line now under consi deration. It was well to suppose that such contingencies would act very much in their favour with the Committee, because an impsrtant portion of their good intentions hinged upon the result of this inquiry. He was sure the Ittrisig arguments regarding this connexion with Ireland would have no weight with the Right Hon. Chairman, nor with any Hon. Member of the Committee. The result of the inquiry would be, ha felt satisfied, on the merits of the question. It was sought to make it appear that this North Wales- line was an object of national importance. If it were, indeed, an object of national importance to make Port dynllaen a packet station for communication with the sister country, let the Government take it up, and pay the ex. penses of the scheme out of the public funds. But it was not to be supposed that the Committee would allow the Great Western Corn. parry to carry out their intentions, - however theoretically valuable in their minds, at the expense of the people of Worcester. Let not the people of Worcester be pltindered by the scheme, but, as he said before, let the national object be carried out by those who had the interests of the nation really at heart. The Learned Counsel then remarked that the traffic on the North Wales line would never pay the Great Western nor any other Company. With regard to the difference of gauge and the superiority of the broad gauge engines over the narrow, it had been proved by Mr. Stephenson, the very first engineer of this country, that there were engines on the London and Birmingham line which, in point of speed, equalled the broad gauge engines. The Learned Counsei then went into the engineering merits of the line, and concluded by calling on the Committee to reject the scheme for the Great Western Company, and declare the preamble of the Bill for the London and Birmingham Com pany proved. The room was then cleared, and after some time occupied In deliberation, it was announced to the parties that the decision would be given at twelve o'clock to morrow. The Committee then adjourned. GROUP L. in the two lines placed before them. On the Caledonian line there was not a single dissentient landowner; and without detracting from the merits of either line, it would appear that the promoters of the Dumfries line were at present without any scheme for con necting Hawick with Carlisle, and the various contingencies upon which such proposed communication depended, ren dered it unlikely that it ever would be made. As the supposition of the making of the Hawick line depended almost entirely on the Dumfries line, it was a question whether the Hawick line would yield with the Dumfries line similar facilities of traffic as the Caledonian. The various circumstances under which the preamble of the Bill foe the Hawick line had been passed were then recapitulated by the Learnhd Counsel, and from the severe nature of its gradients, curves, and tunnels, he contended it could never be made available for the accommodation of the through traffic. If this was the fact, the case for the promoters of the Dumfries line would fall entirely to the ground. Thus far he had spoken on the comparative advantages of the lines to Edinburgh, and the districts in that part of Scotland. As re. garded Glasgow and Paisley, the difference in point of distance between the lines was fully ten miles in favour of the Caledonian. When it was said by the opposing party how important it was that Dumfries should be on the main line, it should be remem bered that Dumfries was not a manufacturing town, and that its connexion with London and Glasgow was not of insuperable importance. It was admitted that Dumfries was hot on the main lines but then its proximity to Glasgow and London wasrendered as ad vantageous on the Caledonian line as on the competing line. As to Annan it had only a small population and but little commerce, and from its situation on the Solway the navigation was rendered exceedingly difficult, and there was no data on which to ground the assumption that it would be an improving port, or that the Caledo nian llue should be rejected because it slid not accommodate it so fully as the Dumfries line. It was ridiculous to suppose that pas. sengers going from Carlisle to Liverpool would go by steamers from Annan. No man in his senses would entertain the idea of travelling north sixteen miles from Carlisle to Annan, to be con veyed by steam-boats to Liverpool, where a direct railway corn. munication already existed between Carlisle and Liverpool, and yet on the traffic-tables of the Dumfries it had been taken for granted that passengers would go in this way, and the number of GROUP FF. THE EDINDURGH AND NORTHERN RAILWAY. (Continued ftom our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Marshall, an accountant at Edinburgh, proved that the ag gregate amount of population on or near to the whole line was.— towns, 303,645 ; counties, 968,980; and parishes, 74,401. Mr. R. Barlis, an experienced land valuer and factor, proved that the value of the land to be taken and permanently occupied by the railway was 40,0171. 2s. Id. The sewerage land would cost 5,452 d. Is. Bd. The estimated damage which would be done to houses and buildings on the line would be 8,4701. and the value of the growing:wood on the line, which had nearly arrived at maturity, he estimated at 9751. 18s. 2d. He estimated the temporary damage which would be done to property adjacent to the line at 5,4911. 10s. Id. The remainder of the day was occupied with the cross-examina tion of Mr. Gardner, the engineer, whose evidence in chief was given yesterday. _ _ _ This witness was cross.examined at groat length by Mr. Sergeant WRANGIII&M, with the apparent object of showing tho Committee that the line would:materially interfere with the residential mansions and domains of several of the nobility and gentry living in the neighbourhood of the railway. The Committee adjourned shortly after four o'clock till to.. morrow. PORTSMOUTH ATMOSPHMRIC RAILWAY. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Hoskins, formerly a merchant and now assistant tide-keeper at Portsmouth, testified to the utility of the London-bridge station, and the great convenience whioh the third.class trains would be to sailors paid off at the port. The mercantile intercourse had greatly decreased since the establishment of the railway to Southampton and the establishment of the docks. The Gosport branch had, in his opinion, been an injury rather than a benefit, and in his exptii once the Southampton line was the dearest and the worst in the kingdom. Before the competition the second-class carriages espe cially were of a very miserable description. The witness also gave testimony respecting the termini similar to that of all the other witnesses. The houses building at Landport would bear the comparison with those in course of erection at Portsea. On the whole he thought the atmospheric line passed through a district far superior to that through which the other line went. • GROUP GG. SCOTCH RAILWAYS. GLASGOW BIS TRICT. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Wyse, Mr. T. Whyte, a ship. builder at Portsmouth, Mr. Piing, Mr. Colebrook, and Mr. Russell all gave similar testimony as to the utility of the proposed line, and the facilities which it offered for the communication with the Isle of Wight, but there was nothing of any particular moment elicited, and the Committee was adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow. GROUP LL. TIM LONDON AND SOITTII—WESTERN (DIETROPOLITAN EXTENSION). (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. HILL opelaed, this morning, the case for the directors of this line of railway. The object of the promoters was to extend the now at Nine-elms, 100, Hungerford, and Westminster-bridges. It would be of great benefit to the public, and be considered that the directors of that railway had only acted in strict accordance with their duty in having laid this Bill on their table. Wrn. Reid was then called and examined in favour of the ex. tension, by Mr. SMlRKE—Hestated that he was lately the Managing Director of the Rouen and Faris line of railway. He afterwards became Managing Director of the South-Western line, and was identified with it when it was first introduced into Parliament. As to the position of the present terminus the disadvan tages were:very great, in c onse quence of its great distance from town. When it was, on a former occasion, sought to obtain the sanction of the Legislat ure f ur thi s ex t ens i on it was refused, because railways were not then as well received as now, and it was not thought necessary to extend it, as it would in terfere with house property. It was cl - Aired by every Company, and generally supposed to be beneficial, further to extend all rail ways, the termini of which calms - London. It w a s e v id en t th a t passengers would receive great benefit from this extension to some place equally distant from Waterloo, Hungerford, and W es t m i ns t er . bridges. The original terminus of the Birmingham Railway was at Camden-town, and it was contemplated to bring it still nearer to London. Oa cross examination by Mr. M. Crissmaam, he said that he would recommend the plan to be carried out at the expense of one million 'of money, but he did not think it would be worth while to go to any further expense. The passengers from Wandsworth to town generally went by water. The witness was then examined as to the comparative expense of time and money of those men of busi ness who travelled to town from that locality by omnibuses and by water, and those who would travel by the proposed extension. Mr. Burchard, a private gentleman, residing at Wardsworth, was then examined as to the public advantage that would arise from the extension of the present line to a terminus at a short dis tance from Hungerford, Waterloo, and Westminster-bridges. On cross-examination, his evidence was in no way shaken. Mr. Mangles was called, and stated, on examination, that it would be of immense advantage to the inhabitants of Guildford to be brought to a terminus as near London as possible. As to tolls there was a great inconvenience arising from turnpikes near Nine-elms, which it was necessary to keep in order to get to certain parts of the town from the present one. A terminus near Waterloo -bridge would be very favourable to the Dover and Kent Railways if it were hereafter found prac ticable to cross the river and make a central terminus at the other side, but, nevertheless, they would derive great advantage. After the witness was briefly cross-examined by Mr. MONTAGUE CHAMBERS, the Committee rose. GROUP N. cOnNWILI.X. RAILWAY. Tho evidence of Par. Kendall (continued front our Afternoon Edition of yesterday)_ The traffic was very great over the bridge in boat, and in stormy weather he had seen the sea dash over it. He was quite satis fied that, with some improvement, a railway train might be carried over on it with safety. Five piles might be erected at equal distances, on which a roadway might be placed, so that the trains could run across on a level, and the boat could be drawn across between the piles with great precision. Of course, such a mode of transit would occupy much time, and could not be effected without much mechanical arrangement. the trains could not be conveyed across in the boat in ten minntes. From four to six minutes would be necessary to get them on board, eight minutes to -cross, and four to six minutes to land them. That would fairly represent the time which would be required for crossing the Hamoaze;the distance being half a mile. The delay and the expense of working this apparatus would be about equivalent to the expense of working fifteen or sixteen miles of a double locomotive line. With respect to the safety of the electrical telegraph (which is to:be worked in an iron tube, placed at the bottom DJ the Hamoaze), he conceived that ships dragging their anchors might get them fouled on the tube and destroy the telegraph, By Mr. Sergeant KnvuLmut—Had seen the boat or bridge crowded with carriages, coaches, market-carts, &c. If a bridge were: to be made over the Hamoaze, at Saltash, it would be a most expensive one, as it would cost from 100 , 000 /. to 200,0001., and would have to be upwards of a hund red feet from the water that ships of 800 or 600 tons might pass under it, but he would not recommend the carrying of a railway over the Hamoaze, at Saltash. Mr. Joseph Locke, engineer to the South- Western Railway; examined by Mr. Rows--Considered that the line could not be worked in some places as a double locomotive line with precision, economy, nor safety. It was unquestionably the most dangerous line he had ever seen. He was ignorant of the county, and gave his opinion on the sections which had been submitted to him. At Penryn the gradient was 1 in 40 for two miles, and at some places there were radii of 15 and 17 chains. On such gradients as those, and on such sharp curves, thirty miles an hour could not be worked with safety to those in the trains or to whatever was; in them. The gtadients going up from the water to Eldad were 1 in 29 and lin 30. A floating.bridge could not be otherwise than a most inconvenient thing on a railway, and he would rather go miles round than cross a river in such a way. The dividing of the train would occupy from five to ten minutes at least, and the loss of time in accomplishing the whole passage would occupy half an hour, measuring it by railway time. By Mr. Sergeant KINGLAILE—Nover was over the ferry as a consulting engineer to one of the proposed Cornwall railways. Mr. Robert Stevenson, C. E., considered that the line could not be worked with any regularity from the irregul ar nature of the inclines. Gradients only used on extreme occas ions b y engineers were repeated on the line over and over again, a nd trains could not go with safety at a greater speed than twelve miles an hour. He was opposed to the line passing the Harnoare, as proposed, and would rather carry a line fifteen miles in another direction than cross it. The central line did not contain the irregularities he had specified in the coast line. No greater speed could be safely attained on an incline of 1 in 60 than fifteen miles an hour. Mr. Bidder, C.E., corroborated a great portion of the preceding evidence. Captain Plumridge, M.P. for Falmouth, was of opinion that the carrying of a railway by a draw-bridge across Penryn creek would offer great obstacles to the navigation. Trains would most likely be running over at high water, when it was necessary that the ships s hould pass on their route without delay. The construction of their terminus on the Mylor side, in the event of the Ordnance refusing their consent to the bridge, would also offer an obstruction to the navigation. His constituents were averse to both. The Committee then adjourned. The Committee then took the Glasgow, Garnkirk, and Cant bridge line, which being also unopposed, was passed and ordered to be reported, as was a branch of the Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ayr linelextending to Cumnock—a total distance of eighteen miles, at an estimate of 350,0004 GLASGOW JUNCTION RAILWAY. • passengers had been doubled. Another question, relative to the communication between Scotland and the coast of Ireland, and looking at the relative distances be _ _. tween Edinburgh and Glasgow, and the coast of Ire land, it was incontestably evident that ;the distance by the Caledonian line was some fifty miles shorter than by the Dumfries line. The Clydesdale branch was a very important one when looked at in connexion with the Caledonian line, and would bring in a great increase of traffic along the line. It was unde niable that it was a matter of the greatest importance that there should be no intervention of any obstacle in the free and through traffic from north to south, and he contended that as regarded the Glasgow junction, promoted by the Dumfries Company, the greatest obstacles did exist on that junction, inas much as it was impossible for it to be made, according to the evidence of Mr Vignelles, their own witness. There was nothing to be said In support of the Dumfries line, either as regarded its facilites as a branch line, or its local accommodation. A point, however, had been casually mooted by Mr. Miller, which had swelled into a considerable object, the intention of which was to embarrass the Caledonian line in its fundamental principle of forming a direct main trunk line. He alluded to the proposed branch through the Delvine-pass, and contended that, from the unfavour able nature of the gradients in the tunnel, there was wouldthe most appalling l a o p sa pa o l f lin a g t character ro f b re a ci b u il e it n y tly of occurring,aand catastrophef there The Learned Couple' then read extract from the report of the least ten miles in the direct distance to Edinbnrgh and Glasgow. Mr. Sergeant ANDIIEVrS then opened this case for the promoters of the Bill. He described the object of the projectors as being in tended to connect the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway on the north side of the Clyde at Glasgow with the Glasgow, Kilmarnock and Ayr on the south side. The extent of the intended line was only a mile, and he would briefly describe that portion of the city of Glas gow through which it passed. The Learned Counsel then ex. plained that the line was intended to pass through the town by tunnelling, and in some cases on piers, and it was proposed to cross the Clyde at a point Immediately above the shipping station. There were many opponents to the Bill, but he hoped that none of their objections would be found of a very serious description. Mr. Thomas Phillips, of Leith, was then called to prove the advantages of the proposed line. His examination was just com menced when the Committee adjourned till to-morrow. GROUP K. DIRECT NO7R,V7ICII LINE. The evidence of Sir John Rennie (continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday)— Cross.examined by Mr. WHATELET, Q.C.—To effect the junc tion with the Bury and Ipswich line, a slight alteration in the level, and a further length of line back would be necessary, for the purpose of making the viaducts, by sinking piles of fifty feet, and thus making the base, now very inferior, good and unob jectionable; forty-five feet Is not a very great height for an embankment. Oa the Orem Western Railway there is one GROUP R. (Continued from our A fternoon Edition of yostorda7) , The Committee then proceeled to hear the case 6/ DI smith, of Drogheda, iIA regard to compensation for darSage t.at was THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDA I EVENING, JUNE 4, 1845. alleged to be done to his property by the railway; but, after the hearing of evidence, the Committee decided that there was no ground for the claim set up by Mr. Smith. It ;Pas at this stage of the business suggested that, before going further, the Committee had better go into the subject of the agree ment entered into between Sir John M`Neill and Sir John Rennie, and referred to in a former report. The agree ment, according to the statement of Counsel for the Bel fast Junction, was only to bind that Company not to oppose the Newry and Enniskillen, and vice veraa, as far as the standing orders were concerned ; whereas the reply of Counsel for the latter was, that it had reference to all the proceedings in Parliament. After hearing the statement of both engineers, the Committee decided thut they did not tink the agreemeht extended further than the suspension of opposition in regard to the Standing Orders Committee. _ The CHAIRMAN said that if these two Companies could not come to an arrangement before the meeting of the Committee to-morrow, they would proceed with the Dundalk and Ennis killen line. _ _ _ The Committee then adjourned till tomorrow at twelve o'clock. GROUP SS. COVENTRY, DEDW - 011.TH, AND NUNEATON R.IIXL"VETAY. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) GROUP W. BILAYTON AND GOOLE RAILWAY. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) The Committee then adjourned till twelve o'clock tomorrow. GROUP V. To Mr. TALBOT—Has found London clay very troublesome. After a few unimportant questions from the other counsel, _. _ The Committee adjourned at half-past four. The witness was cross-examined at some length by Mr. D&NIEL, with a view of showing that the progress of the line would inter fere with a place called Gosford.green, where the poorer inhabitants of Coventry resort for exercise and recrea tion. The witness admitted that the line would pass through the green on an embankment of from 9 to 10 feet in height, but there was a more important resort of the poor of Coventry, called Friar's-green, which would not be interfered with, although it was near to the station of the proposed railway. The witness admitted that there was a succession of three curves on the line within a mile and a half of the station, but as they were on a branch, and not a main line, they were in no wise objection able. The line passed near to, but not through, a place called Steak-green and Steak-heath. He was not aware whether the inhabitants of Coventry had a right of common on these places, nor was be aware that cattle strayed uninterruptedly from the Heath to the Green. The line would certainly pass through Barrew's.green but the deviation line would not in the least affect Stoak-green. He had heard, but was not aware of his own knowledge, that there was a right of pasturage on these greens, but, in whom the right was vested he did not know. He proposed to protect Barrow's-green by a gate and a man, and there would, consequently, be no obstruction to the pro gress of the cattle from the Green to the Heath. The deviation line commenced at the junction on the Birmingham line, and ex tended to a place called Stoak, a distance of about a mile and a quarter. This deviation had been marked out to meet the views of the Corporation of Coventry, who objected to the original line. On one part of the line in the neighbourhood the land had sunk 14 feet, but he was not aware that it was still sinking. Every precaution, however, would be taken against contingencies of this nature. The witness was cross-examined by Mr. Summon's, on behalf of the London and Birmingham Company, with a view of showing that the line originated with himself, and not with any persons re. sident in the district through which the line will pass. He said he had never constructed a railway under his owu sole and imme diate superintendence, but had frequently and repeatedly acted as a sub-engineer. He admitted being the engineer to three new schemes coming before Parliament next session. The cross-examination had not terminated when the Committee adjourned. Mr. John Strickland, corn-factor near Snaith, had bought corn and sold it at Leeds in preference to Wakefield. The facility of going to Wakefield was as great as to Leeds. The reason he pre ferred Leeds was that he got cash in Leeds, and was obliged, if he sold his corn at Wakefield, to take a three.menths' bill. Cross-examined by Mr. Witams—Had signed a petition in favour of the Wakefield and Goole line, but did so under the im pression that the Brayton and I Goole line was thrown out by the Committee on Standing Orders. By Mr. Buss—The average quantity of corn which he pur chased weekly was 100 quarters. (A petition was here handed to witness against the proposed line.) The people whose signatures were attached to that petition were respectable, but he should like to know whether those who signed it knew what it was they were signing? an his part of the country they never read any petition they signed. He never in his life read any Parliamentary petition he signed.—(A laugh.) Mr. Douglas, lived at Drax. Was a cattle and hay dealer, and butcher; occasionally took his cattle to Leeds and Wakefield. Sent a proportion of ten to one of them to Leeds. The CHAIRMAN thought it unnecssary to purrue the line of exa mination with regard to the advantages which the proposed line would confer on those who lived in the immediate neighbourhood of the dsstrict though which it passed. He thought that was self evident, and thatit might be almost assumed, except, of course, dis sentient landowners. Mr. KNowLes then said he would ask the 'aline!s no further questions. Mr. Douglas, cross.examined by Mr. BLISS—Sent 500 beast. yearly to Leeds, and the produce of two acres of potatoes. Mr. Samuel Wilkinson lived at Harrogate, and had also lived at Knaresborouji. There were a great many flax mills that neigh bourhood. It the proposed line were made it Would confer Immense advantages, on the valley of the Nidd. The Wakefield and Goole line would be of no use to them—it went in another direction. Knew the town of Wetherby, and all the country in that neigh. bourhood. This line would benefit all-that district. By the CHAIRMAN — The quantity of flax imported into the dis. trict was from 3,000 to 4,000 tons annually. Cross-examined by Mr. WILKINS—AII the flax did not come by Hull ; some came by Stockport and Liverpool. Mr. Joseph Jackson, omnibus driver from Goele to the Howdeu station, was five times to and fro every day between those places; another omnibus went four times. Upon an average he carried 240 passengers a week to and fro for the last twelve months. The principal part of the passengers he took to the Bowden station went to the west trains. Thomas Dunhill was a coachman and coach proprietor at Wake field. Knew the traffic between Wakefield and Goole and Wakefield and Hull up to 1838. His coach did not pay. There was not traffic sufficient to support a conveyance unless the individual who was proprietor of it also acted as coachman ? There was only at nre‘ent_ on the market day, which went to Cross-examined by Mr. Wuxi:vs—There was no coach between Leeds and Goole at the time he referred to. - Mr. Joseph Bottomley, lived near Pontefract, and was a lime burner, coal carrier, and farmer. Burnt his lime at Hudders field. He did not consider that the statement made by the witnesses who had deposed tc benefits which the competing Wakefield and Goole line would confer on the lime trade of Knottingley and neighbourhood were correct. So far as he was• concerned he would not use it, nor did he consider it would be generally ad vantageous to the interests of the community of that district. He thought the Wakefield and Goolc line was a preposterous one. Cross-examined by Mr. Wmains—Charged from 14s to 16s. per ton at Huddersfield for his lime. It was sold at Knottingicy at the pit at 6s. to 7s. per tan. Did not know the Manchzster and Leeds line delivered this lime at Brigghouse (via Huddersfield) for 6s. 6d. per ton. Mr. Sherrill was called to prove that the rates charged on the Hull and Selby line were less than those charged by the Manchester and Leeds line. Cross-examined by Mr. WILKINS—The Leeds and Selby and Hull and Selby carried at these reduc:d rates, notwithstanding the badness of the gradients on those lines. The cross.examination of this witness was interrupted by the announcement of the Speaker being at prayers. THE MANCHESTER, SHEITIELD, AND CHESTY.. Tar onn IZAMIATAY. The Committee, consisting of the O'Conor Don, chairman, Sir John Rae Reid, Sir D. Norreys, Mr. Hope Johnstone, and Mr. Davies, met to.day at half-past eleven, when Mr. Haw, kshaw, C.E., was re-called and examined with re. gard to the proposed line. He corroborated the evidence of Mr. Vignolles and of Mr. Gibbs, given on a previous day, with respect to the advantages of the line, and the few engineering difficulties to be met with. He was in the habit of working much more severe gradients than those on this line. James Thomson—Was an assistant in Sir John M'Neill's office, and was well acquainted with the working of the mineral lines in the neighbourhood of Glasgow. There were many heavier gradients there than on this line. He might instance one, the Ballochney line, where heavy coal.trains were worked on an incline of 1 in 70. He saw not the least difficulty in working this line. Mr. Rastrick, civil engineer, gave exactly similar evidence. Wiliam Fairbank—Had had considerable experience in the making of estimates on railway lima, and he had done so in this case. He had assisted Mr. Vignolles, and returned the whole expense cf the line at 400,0001. Mr. J. Nowell had been a contractor for many years in works of this nature, and had, therefore, great experience in those mat ters. He had carefully examined the estimates furnished in this case, and was convinced that they were exceedingly correct. He should be very happy 'to contract for the tunnel at 421. 10s. per yard, as be was convinced that the stratum through which it passed was most favourable for en gineering purposes. He should be equally ready to under take any of the other works at the estimates for which they were taken. He spoke from experience acquired in such extensive works as the Bristol and Gloucester, and other great lines. The witness , was under examination when the Speaker was announced at prayers, and the Committee adjourned. GROUP X. LONDON AND YORE LINE. (continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.) Mr. Hawkshaw, engineer, was called and examined—ls the engi neer of the Manchester and Leeds, and several other lines. That part of the London and York line between Bawtry and Wakefield and Bawtry and York was laid out under his superintendence. Considers the prices for the work very high, and higher than any he bag heard this session. The line presented no peculiar difficulty. Did not think it possible that the iron for the London and York line could cost the price put down for it, namely, 12/. 10s. Has bought iron himself recently at 91. and IN. per ton. delivered. Iron was an article that fluctuated very much in price ; but the present rate was as high as he bad known it for many years. This witness underwent a long exa mination upon the abstract principle, as to the amount of extra power required by trains ascending inclines of various gradients, from 1 in 200 upwards; he also deposed that the station proposed to be made at York was to cross the York and North Midland station at a level, and it was the only eligible mode that could be adopted, taking all circumstances into consideration, He was cross-examined by the counsel for the different competing lines for the purpose of ascertaining the mode by which passengers were to be accommodated with conveyances along the different branches from the main line, assuming that a certain number only of trains started from London—in answer to which, the witness proposed to avoid the difficulty by increasing the number of trains. He was next asked in reference to the carriage of heavy goods; assuming that the carriage of goods conveyances by the London and Birmingham line cost 3,4001. per mile, and did not carry coals, the Counsel wished to know from the witness whether his opinion was that 3,0001. per mile on the London and York line would be sufficient to cover the expense of carriage conveyance, taking into account that 500,000 tons of coals per annum were to be conveyed by this line, as well as a vast Inantity of manure, stone, lime, &e., and the Company finding their own carriages. The witness said at first he thought 3,000/, a mile a fair sum; but he subsequently said he could not tell without going into a long calculation, and the Counsel did not press the question. _ Mr. J. K. Brunel, engineer —Had examined the estimates for all the works on the London and York line, and considered all the prices very liberal. Knew of no difficulty or danger in crossing the York and North Midland station at York. STANDING ORDERS COMMITTEE. This Committee assembled to-day shortly after two o'clock. The decisions were all respecting amendments to Bills, conse. quently the fate of no Bill was involved. LONDON AND BRIGHTON RAILWAY.—It is with regret we learn that Mr. Mackenzie, the Secretary of this hne, is about to retire from the post in which we are sure that he must have commanded the respect of all who had occasion to communicate with him. Mr. Mackenzie quits his post with the warmest wishes of the Directors for his success in the profession which he has in view. JOURNALISM,—.A. newspaper is the only instru ment which can drOp the Same thought into a thOUSand minds at the same moment.--De Zocquevfile. IMPERIAL P.ARLIAMEXiT. HOUSE OF LORDS, June 3. The LORD CHANORLLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at she usual hour. MAYNOOTH. Petitions were presented against the Maynooth grant by the Bishop of Llandaff, from places in Llandaff; the Bishop of Cashel, from Armagh and Kildare; Lord Clanclarty from Cork, Kilmore, and Donegal ; Lord Kenyon ; Lord Campbell, from congregations of the Free Church ; Lord Fitaliardinge, from iloucester and Herefordshire ; Earl of Yarborough ; and the Earl of Roden, from different places in England. INDEMNITY BILL, On the motion of the Duke of BUCCLEUCH, the In demnity Bill was read a third time and passed. Earl FORTESCUE presented petitions for and against the grant to Maynooth. The Bishop of WINCHESTER presented sixty-nine peti- tions against the grant. The Marquis of BREADALBANE presented 113 petitions against the grant to Maynooth in particular, and several against all State endowments of a religious character, comprising more than 10,000 signatures. Lord BROUGHAM presented numerous petitions against he grant to Maynooth. SMALL DEBTS BILL. The NOBLE and LEARNED LORD then moved that the Small Debts Bill be re-committed. The Bill was satisfactory to every one who had petitioned except to one person. The Bill was re-committed accordingly. MAYNOOTH GRANT.—ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the motion for the order of the day being read for the re sumption of the adjourned debate, The Earl of HARDWICKE claimed the indulgence of the House whilst he touched upon the important points in the measure. He was unconnected with keland, and only ac quired the knowledge he had from the customary sources of information ; but, if he had this disadvantage, be was also free from all local prejudices. He would not enter into any portion of the history of Ireland, except that por tion of it which was necessary for the elucidation of the Bill before their Lordships' House. It was a principle in the legislation of this country to consider and weigh well all matters connected with the subject of religion before coming to a decision on any particular case He would abstain for the present in making any reference to the agitations which had been and were still going forward in Ireland, except to say that he felt certain the present unhappy state of political parties tended much to increase the difficulty of car rying out the good intentions of the Government towards her Majesty's subjects in that country. Not only did the state of agitation do this, but it rendered a great portion of the people of this country disinclined to assist in the good measures thus proposed. He 'spoke 'thus more in sorrow than in anger. But the ease was clear it would have been much easier to have carried the intention of the Government into execution had agitation been abstained from by the people of that country. He had been much struck with the narrow grounds on which the debate was placed the previous night. The debate extended itself no further than the walls of the College of Maynooth, and having reference entieely to the religious doc trines and opinions taught there. No one in reviewing this question could deny the great steps that had taken plaCe in the road of conciliating the Roman Catholics during the last fifty years. Step by step had they:gone steadily forward, despite the greatest difficulties and dissensions, aiding the people of Ireland, and the religion of the great body of the people of Ireland, till that country was nearly on an equality in political privileges with this.—( Hear, hear.) Before going further into the general question, he would refer to the condition of the College. On this subject they had been fur nished with the most explicit evidence. The Noble Duke had given a clear and detailed account of the origin and progress of that Institution, and he had shown that from the great increase of population the state of things had so changed, as to render something necessary to be dine. There were only three courses left them to pursue. First, to keep it as it was; second, to abolish it altogether ; third, to improve it in an effi cient manner. With regard to the first, it-was imposeible to continue it in its present state. By the document placed upon the table of the House a few days ago it was shown that the arrangements for the education of the students were of the most imperfect character, and the accommodation of such a nature as scarcely to accord with the rules of common de cency. It was evident the institution could not remain as it was. The second course could not be entertained, as they were under an obligation on the subject to the Roman Catholics of Ireland, and to do so would be to stop the amelio ration going forward in that country. The only course left them was the third, and that, he was persuaded, was the best to take in the circumstances of the country, as it would only be carrying out the original intention, when the grant was first made—the principle of endowing and incorporating a college for the education of the priesthood of the Roman Catholic Church of Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) Was it alto gether so new, or so extremely alarming in itself, that they should at this time place the College on a right foot ing, or bestow upon it an endowment? The Right Reverend Prelate who had first addressed the House last night (the Bishop of London) stated that the students of Maynooth were taken from a very, low class. Of that fact he was not aware; but, on the contrary, was rather led to believe, from an extract of the minutes of a report furnished by the Com missioners of Inquiry on Education in Ireland, that the school education necessary to an entrance into the College of May nootli was both important and expensive. It was incumbent upon a candidate for admission into that College to have been previously and thoroughly versed in Cas3ar's Commentaries, Sallust, the Eclogues and, first six books of the /Eneid of Virgil, the Cicero de Oratore, the Greek Grammar, the Dialogues of Lucan, and the Cyclopedia of Xenophon-- a rather expensive educaiion he should think. He would not press any further the demands of the College itself, but that important part of the Bill introduc ing a new principle towards the Catholics of Ireland, that which granted an endowment when endowments had entailed such important benefits on the Church of England, the system must be for the benefit and advancement of religion generally. But to this it might be answered that the principle should be applied according to the tenets of the religion to be endowed— snub, however, he could not admit; it was better to try and inculcate a better than eradicate all principle. Had they not given power 'and wealth and recently a much greater step . had been taken, the 'sanctioning the endowment by private Ind!. Me l iaelfig i l i b" --- 21Ast i e s htst ` Right ' l e r t7. - 1 3 7eKte, - whom he regretted not to see in his place, bad stated last night that Ca nada and Malta were exceptions to that rule, but he could state that in all their colonies it was carried out. On that subject it was only necessary to show that in Mauritius the Protestant Church received 1,2001. a year, and the Catholic Church 2,5001. ; in Ft. Lucia the English minister received 3001., the Roman Catholic 4401.—end in a similar manner was the same principle to be seen in British Guiana, Trinidad, Gibraltar, and their other colonies. The principle was not new, though in Ireland it might be consi dered as introduced for the first time. He felt ready and wil ling to see measures of amelioration carried out in Ireland to the fullest extent, and felt convinced they could not shake the stability of the 'Protestant Church in Ireland. Far from it. They would rather strengthen it. It had not been shown that the Roman Catholic Church was desirous of taking away the property of the Established Church, or unwilling to give over a sufficient power from that Church to the State. Doctor Doyle and Nix-. O'Connell had been examined before a Com mittee of that House, and they were both favourable to the in fluence of the State on the Roman Catholic Church, in a temporal point of view. It had been said in opposition to this measure, on the part of the Dissenting boles, that the effect of endowments was to support each other, and that was alleged as an argument to induce the Roman Catholics of Ireland to repudiate the endowment of their Church, as it would tend to support the Established Church. But, on the other hand, it had been said in that House, that two antagonist Churches could not long co-exist. Now, he was inclined to agree with the f o rmer opinion, and to admit that the two endowments supported each other. He had a strong opinion indeed that they do support each other. It was in the nature of all endowments to take an anti-democratic ten dency. The endowment of the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland would have the effect of separating the Roman Catholics from the other Dissenters, in opposition to the Established Church. He denied that the disposition of the Roman Catho lics was adverse to the endowment of their Church. On the contrary, he believed that the well-disposed classes in Ireland had always shown a readiness to accept the patronage, and to admit the reasonable control of the State.l The Noble Lord then said, in a tone more audible and emphatic than the rest of his address—" It is a grave question to ask, whence should the funds for the endowment of the Established Church be derived ? I will not assert—as it has with some show of reason been asserted--that they should be abstracted from the funds of the Established Church. I do not know it of my own knowledge, but I have_it upon authority which has been laid before your Lordships, that there are 151 parishes in Ire land in which there is not a single Protestant, and that the ag gregate revenue of these parishes is 55,000/.—( Cheers.) I say, that such a state of things is so monstrous, that it is not astonishing, in the present state of human 'education, the minds of men should consider it was time that this monstrous state of things should be put an end to.—(Cheers.) This, I say again, is a state of things which, if it does exist, should no longer be suffered to exist.—( Hear, hear ) These, my Lords, are my own opinions, and not the opinion of anybody else,( and have no connexion with the opinions of others. ( Hear, hear. ) These are opinions that have arisen in my own mi n d from my knowledge of the history of that country, and from viewing the state of it at a distance. They are opinions that I have formed from being convinced that the endowment of the Ro man Catholic Church would not be followed by results such as I have heard predicted, and from the conviction that no settle ment of the grievances of Ireland can be called such until it is such a settlement as will enable the people, not of that country but of this, to view with satisfaction the state of things in Ireland.—( Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord then called attention to the state of the law as it affected different religious persua sions in differies countries on the Continent. The Protestant and Catholic churches were seen to go hand in hand in those countries. In Austria the Roman Catholic was the church of the State; but there also the Protestant faith was in perfect security. In Bavaria, the Catholic, the Presbyterian, and the Lutheran, enjoyed privileges all alike, and were off terms of per.. feet equality. In 'Prussia there were eight millions of Pro testants and five millions of Catholics. The King of, Prussia was the head of the Protestant Church, but he was also the actual though not virtual head of the Roman Catholic Church in that country.—(Hear, hear.) In Hanover the Roman Catholics were eligible to all the public offices, and the Roman Catholic churches were endowed by the State. Throughout the whole of Europe they had this spectacle, but in Ireland they had it not: This was a monstrous state of things. In no other country could they find the same. In the whole world was not to he found such another misgoverned nation.—(Cheers.) In taking a review of the state of Ireland it was impossible riot to remember the growth of power of the Roman Catholic people in Ireland. Parliament had at last given them property, and they had acquired wealth. They had given them privileges equal to their own, and yet they re fused an alimentary support to their church—a support that might be useful in extending education to the people. He was as sincerely attached to his own church as any Protestant iii the empire, and because he was sincerely attached to his own church he objected to any inquiry into the state of education taught at Maynooth. Before he sat down he should wish to draw the attention of the House to a statement made by a Noble Lord whom he did not then see present, who en. deavoured to charge the crimes of the country on the instructors of the priesthood. He should read a few extracts taken before a Committee of that House, in the year 1839. The Noble Lord then proseeded to read from the report of the Committee to show that Major Warburton, Mr. J. H. Hamilton, and other witnesses gave evidence, proving that the Roman Catholic priests in Ireland were most efficient pro moters of peace and obedience to the law, and that the charges of sedition urged against them were infamous and u n f oun d e d . The Noble Lord concluded by giving his support to the motion. Lord CARNARVON said, that if the Government were to follow out their own policy they would give an equal mea sure of justice to Ireland that they gave their colonies. He thought they wt re especially bound to do so, because Ireland was more immediately at their mercy, and under their c tr what ol. they, d i t g w r a a s n ted unjust to t h c a a t n t a n d e a y o c u h l d e erefuse ) T t o h e I r N e l o a o h n n l d e - Lord who had introduced the subject had told them how great was the increase in the Roman Catholic population of Ireland, since the first estab li s h ment of the College of Maynooth, and the House might see that that vigour was not confined to the physical energies of the country for if they looked to the Bar or the Bench , or to the other H ouse of Parliament they found ample evidence of Ireland's intellectual growth also. If they refused to the growing number' and power of the C a tholic people in Ireland that ratolure—a measure that was the nearest nearest and dearest to their hearts —the refusal would sooner o r later raise a storm which would in his opinion threaten the ve ry ex istence of the Protestant Church in Ire land.—(Hear, hear.) If they could establish that the ques tion lay between the Catholic and Proteatant Churches—b tween truth un alloyed on one side, and truth pure and unsullied on the otber_but turn the matter as they might, the practical question was whether they would permit the Catholic priest to have inadequate instruction or instruction in a snfficient wpm.r The idea expressed last night that an educated priest less practical and more dangerous man than an uneducated one was a doctrine abhorrent to his mind, for it proceeded on a mistaken as sumption that a Roman Catholic priest was incapa ble of the inilluences of education. But do what they might they are and must remain the religions instructors of the bleb people.—( Hear, hear.) The question was whether they wool( have them conciliated or oppos ed to them—Lordattach said ed or arra yed in hostility.—(Hear, bear.) The Noble that the measure would not pacify Ireland. But beneficial effect. % in th. and to suppose the contrary, ors to fly face of all experience and human nature itself, ed And they were to believe that, because one man had spurn the gift proffered his country; and for that they were to desig nate a nation ungenerous, because an individual wens ungrato• fail. And as to the political question, if it were a sin to grant a large, it was an equal sin to bestow a smaller or any endo ment, But as to the objection started by a Rev. Prelate last night, that men who held one religion to be true, must assert the other to be false, he wholly dissented from it. " False, was a strong term. Was there no medium ? For himself, be believed that the Church of Scotland differed more widely from the tenets of the Church of England. than the Churc,ll of Rome did from the Church of England. He did not .age` o ,_ with the . Right Rev. Prelate who addressed the House last night. He did not believe the Catholic faith to be free fro?! error ; but he was inclined to improve that which he could not alter.—( Hear, hear.) Another point he wished to allude to. To be consistent in the p9licY till ,' had been pursuing they should pass this measure. TheYl),_s: appointed Roman Catholic priests to their houses—(Hear, hear) —and surely that was more than are cognition of the Roman Catholic faith. Surely they the bound to appoint such chaplains, for they could not say tthoat he criminal, whose last sands of life were wasting at l sY•• , to should have no religious consolation unless he was sati_fiet%r, receive that only which the State would give him• -4 i i t e t O hear.) There was another point touched upon last nig 1 . ~ , s which he would refer, and that was the disloyalty of the pries of Maynooth. To this he would answer that when the Pres:Y3- 1104 gaols and worrae. terians of the North were excited into rebellion, the Catholic priesthood rallied round the throne. 01100 priests also stood by the Government when mutinyNaP threatened to invade this country ; and when the _ . ,, d of the Nore took place, the priests of that religion used to their best influence to induce the deluded muti neers '' tt t it was paid return to their allegiance.—( Hear, hear.) —Li , e ilione this was not the case now—that the priests were re , r st h ater , - and disaffected persons—mere political agitators. the ea. was true in this charge could easily be explained bY Td t o. tumely and neglect which had been manifestesl, not oroLsed wards the Roman Catholic religion, but to all wbo l' „„ nia o belief in it.—(Hear, hear. ) The treatment the g° man had received was, in his opinion, ca All that lisa the most ardent loyalty into the bitterest hate. s- 1 int w as taken place in reference to the Roman Catholics of Ire t of t he of such a nature as to turn the feelings and the affecti jolt been I ish people away from this country. Wha tever ', l' d not boo been said of the doctrines taught at Maynooth, it h i c o, re. proved that they were of an immoral nature, am', ‘ ii yidi spect to the people of Ireland, much as t coonad be,e_ re t he fled, it would be difficult to point out a ry to g r aere dly people were more moral, or the marriage vow mg rs l° re e P i t t ° respected. Was it to be wondered at that the i i ih ips to should be irritated and disaffected, when their 1.e 1. ; . L eo sol, into consideration the way in which their creed hour; co de al represented and reviled, and when it was known th,B'o„o fh3C laws, the product of a former time, had been saddle.n,,4it, 30d Csooullundtrya,nrdepeunglni enlightened d everypo political principle tieal p ol ic y o f ? Lr , u ( e l 1 C e l a c h r u r , i l li t a e t t l e e : c 6 ro ' .o t i' d ° i t t i u l' o r tat o n. this was to be ascribed that state of feeling, an d , : t „, O past, had of party, that at the present time, and for owe limo day characterised that . unhappy country. 133 t a , a tteinP t ; i i had dawned; and a Government who would t t° d prejw he ' n t govern Catholic Ireland upon such narrow a r e a p ro testa at grounds, however well qualified they might be i f t '' iog for a f a r n e d, community, were not equal to the task of leg tr y as ir e ns ter empire like this, and especially for such a °lto th i e T h ° B law with its large Catholic population. With teg s ' o l ty ei "d and meetings that had been held in Ireland, the 0, u t do' e ( i i , a had been vindicated, a better state of feelin g 'ia,:tried on ar t; iai the effect of a conciliatory policy was now kindlri n a „a nt t ie Lord-Lieutenant, who had, as yet, shown a id party 'Lent in policy in his government of Ireland. The o"theY "" e ery tions could no longer be maintained • and, un less t oe d no' agreement with Irish interests and 'lrislessYtrarilletau•rueust,il.Y:daeoae, partiallyway , te e indirect] ap y l , e of endeavouring tbat prosperity of Ireland could not be seoreat 3 ,,, tbe hear.) The present measure was a roe - doing and a debt of deep gratitude Was d to so et i o g present Government for introducing it, a n d enda tt g c ci sacrificing friendsouffering misconstruction, an f the reSP ie , their popularity. These were so many pr. " I. ' ° , an a d's e of which ought , to be paid them for their conY a g a jo esso r t h, terestedness in submitting to Parliament sucn .., ploto;ten justice to the people of Ireland.—(llear, heat,, , jat had D,.., standing .the loss of supporters and the clamour pacetlediog toti7o • raised out of doors against their enlightened aet of jowl would have the reflection of basing done a grea t , ~e op le, ~d under very trying circumstances to an oppresse.it lardightet would command the approbation and esteem of all , eon' and liberal minds,— ( Hear, hear.) The Earl of WINCHILSEA never rose 11 c i .. th ee rall t i ; h r. flicting feelings than at the present moment, I: he found himself opposed, on public greands'itiiostinnetteetsrneaawtteblersioif regarded in fact as Ministers of the countrY, " an firioe4 ties those with whom he had hitherto lived in the f those fo to i friendship ; and he trusted that when many ° h s t nig ht ' lid looked back, in years to come, upon the vote of t easote , t oted the'two subsequent votes that would ratify the ra .o w ho 1 0 ,, might not feel that remorse which many a states,n," lates t h d u is , for the fatal measure of 1829 experienced to, to 1 erto label i 4 io —(Hear, hear.) How had the question cussedm—how (aundneasbleostf aelveci;,,,t Ps ° ,,s ..-- tcwhalPit Gated c d - h a , t i l :a r f a te s r lia e m r u i e n a qB- a d r : y r, g e f 13 3. n3 p e7u ' s i n 0 f g ;5 ° ?1.6 ' 1 l i ra.r.b' r° b ab ie heert ilii;° to the conclusion that a i j t v e s :d su p i r t o r s e p . ounder roust ha" a i o st it tn the name of the Protestants of He E n gland , ` sll°' 'louse b ad r . against it crowded their table, and in the othe b r oo, ooo P h e ei . amounted to more than 11,000, signed by I , eve n 14 o f protested ag e pet ition s sons. He protested, however, against it y on Chure,4 oo . grounds—that, as a national endowment of fi f e ~ltro' ,11 II he .. e s Rome, it was in opposition to their God. ` the Colleg t he taine doctrines taught in the class-books of uo beld et , Maynooth were so monstrous that no man lat i ,' w ir y teiPt - at h tenets of the Anglican Church, could conscient!oo oftftie) 0,5,,,, them—the supremacy of the Pope, the reservott,a, t dr.'" i t inculcated by the principle of salvo jure superiort:e th et_ e ration of the superiority of the ecclesiastical 0 1,, t 011 0_ 1 : 4i power —were doctrines so abhorrent to Protestat,2t;r eliberoo principles of the realm, that no member of the t itch ad, o f could possibly consent to their promulgation. _"„eation_ity said that this grant of 30,0001. would render the e". i . 0 0; 1 3 Maynooth less exclusive and more liberal. nu t 55 ;',ed th s a ' od had they that such would be the case? He mai n eg ure , a d would be a mental delusion if they passed this„,rontosioUf he called upon the Noble Lord behind (Lord ti o '_ e eral w t i t at other Noble Lords to stand forward and save th t o, they of the Irish people from the principles t a a tiics 81 bich seminary. Let them give to the Roman Cl taucation toed require excepting this support to a system of e , d t o th e s ad England conscientiously believed to be oPttl in porta" t 6ed , worship of God. It was, indeed, a most il , what n y serious question, but let them do honestly and 4 00 , the wa g their consciences, and their country, requirentuds Who lye (Cheers)—and let them leave the issue in His Latish° the able to save them. He would call upon their say , e' 50 to abandon their sacred duties, and he woul Right Reverend Prelate who spoke last, that l a h tl y ier th i e l l t d a r t s e: doctrines so opposed to Christianity reeeg ui ' et utine st e O r he should with him raise his voice, and use his ~e otste ;,,,, e s• yours to sever the Protestant Church from t',' olos "' t oo priestsstrong w t would he rest until that severance were effeeteo;iand as sure could not pass, for the Protestantisra of t o eve hu n dred nithaolulotwthtebepeoGpoleverinnamkeinngt to educatF .. d aueee-eo stand against it. He prayed their Laoprrsheirpfsalte%flgtioeot,ittt ere they passed a measure which would arouse s hy ova length and width *of the country hostile feelings „ h ips not again be easily allayed. h .l,ol lP ,i n os The Marquis of NORMA NBYsaid that when th a e so qu e o st otd a recollected the part which he had always tatkreonste°ditoth.elo,ecbsoese, connected with the state of Ireland, he pardon his trespassing on their attention at that . tLoraillier t he aware how difficult it would be to engage the ir , ne eeb ° •,he( l, sideration after the energetic and the eloque scrbstinguetet, Noble Earl who had just sat down —a s ee is cha ra tiog too, for the depth of the religious convictions 1 , h 1 ,., r eale r , t he ised it. But he (Lord Normanby) could not !I ino ce t; s o amendment, from te Noble Lord opposite, who h, ad s i t u s st rro ' h sa down to the Noble Earl who of „ n oon t he Noble Lord who had adopted that view of t he ;lied I le e f once addressed himself to the real question fp, o ,oo th , of Noble Duke—namoly, that this was a legisiatt'ven.eigh fir' justice to seven millions of Irish Catholics --to te e pt ob I e e ole the population of a great nation. When t .' in theretarl, made reference to the state of religious ecatioo,be See,, i igeo nies, he was obligee to refer 'to his Noble Friend '' . .. e re o v , of of State for the Colonies for the fact that nreiTi.aititeo cos to maintain other churches than the Est a in tbe ep oo England. It was proved in those case" as elig i l to it. of Ireland, that it was utterly 'mpossible to forcer pos l Ws' a large mass of people who weire-conscientiouslydlf t het a N il With regard to what the Noble Earl had sa i l .. no oth , ,Lot fl montainedoctrines alleged to be taught at 3 ' 4 0 . h f l ie riti answer had been given by the Noble Lord P e _ t he a tl o ,e/ Beaumont). The Romish Church did not clainfl 0 all e g,. ' s a ies shi r g to release from an oath—not even an oath -1 el orb o''''' (Hear, Lear.) The Church claimed the of 6 hur ch oe from a vow, to which the authorities of the „ g ob' ,lar parties; An oath stood upon quite different, f g r , ° , o in no d Rev. Mathias Croly, who bad been a F r ' e v ' hig r e° Ce s ' ' nooth, and was now a Protestant clergynaah ha oefore s ,r 05 1 what were called the errors of Po ted, '''',.. o ne fr olo mittee of the other 'House of amenParil that b at ere of stud were c thatm made l class-books sp- roved a s f t taught to believe when a student of Maynootht There id eel violate the oath Of allegiance or any other oath•,„ co ° OM many books read in Maynooth College which i' t t hese er as' defend. But it had been truly explained et” cootl,lloetd to the official ret ency.—( in t. — ( Hear, hear.) The conduct of they oung 1 e ffe f . , o (l o6 , athet_ the people of study taught there.—( Hear , hea r ' ne tio° o rth 0 i nt o ) I h, Cv i 01.1. • ) '•• o ° l4 an immoral fetid \'' There 'Cel"ertY fer tmhiiirttevdcoinmmitted Il i n i e r , ei s a e n y H d e . e nit r y: h li c e r e a i a m r : , e 1 s h e lg r a . i ) n i s i t , t t r i :c i c r f e, :2 11 p e oif ohratthtehearveowweads npurpos_ o i raco e t 001 temperance; also . showed that the religious instr _ se c on e e w ar rld _ (Hear, m i u r hP l ci d o , f of England — taking the population w it h r:4l herela aw te l ei ,it was not to be denied that 11 o d i e_ it se l had the useful influenhceeaorl Th now - in a position superior to that that a via§ her'', in the hear.) He w ) It settled beenin said by a Noble Lord oOF")stteinount eting'he m inc an reise of crime which their periodical conferences the a_ eat roe , t hst .tf (Hear wash to be committed before their il tatet oein ( Ile at aendpriests.--th!tliteree'fbieso;l)" e i r . e h wa a id t tyh w it a :a admitt s h o e monstrous latshta tyetahr .e a r M e nb i , s tia s .,t i t%; rt. r i b t e l ree g lt, c e l It o : not detain their Lordships by discu s 11 $ 0 b e b e id causes to account for it, without argui ° e'd the ifie ts. § Duke (the Duke of Newcastle), who attribut.e,be priesaertislt t p h a e k c y onference of bishops, and the conduct c't ifi ' ca rte l e to e l ' h e' s ' j could bear testimony to the constant and on ipne e, os ' h e of the Roman Catholic priests to restrain "T ea r.) Is t ( l i,i , im ea morality, and to inculcate ordl-lear'n: . rre• 4 -e o - i head with regret the speech of the Right gory to s- ioo,l ship t s th in erg ia rn y Bishop *of Cashel) last night, which he was s°eheritY iinist bited by no means a feeling of sympathy ° r ,„„ l , Mate sta to r' millions of his fellow Christians, amongst 11"—vrafe t w b a a s , ordained.—( Hear, hear.) The Right Be y ' th e l' f- e iet , g; to by the on 4, northight b esom whiche a w p o p u o l i d n tbrnaearibti mad ee tad to ad s gs on es Suppose it were ? Objections were alwaYs ril l, his et b o na elevation of an individual. He had an instance l iot oeo 0 14 e perience of objections being made to an aV ° sao ds ') y clergyman in every respect qualified --the late r: bear; vil, would recommended to a bishopric.--(lleast: to °ro ll' of contrast the charge of that excellent o ht ref' o p his diocese with the last charge of the Rig of opposite. The Bishop of CASHEL said, dui& P- Lis 00 ° ,1 1 1, ,„I',