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trirne in-tbe Liturgy, and the disaticsal of !lig Ntaje3ty's Mi .3i4titr3 as nnfit fir their high (ate. The lion. Memiier .vite,l his entire cAseicnrretace in the prayer of the petitioners. -Ordered to - he printed. • Mr. KENNEDY rose to present'thtee Petitions from diffe ri.tit towns in the County of A)r, in Scotland. Precion-ly to presenting these. Petitions, he was anxious to know front any Member of his Majesty'sCrovernment then present, what were their Intentions with respect to the office of Lord Registrar of nrotlawi, which had lately become vacant. .lard CASTLEREAGH soia he could not nndertalsc to give art answer to the Him. Gentleman's que:tinn. Mr . KEN-NEM' (as we understood him,) said, that if the Nohle Lord whet had jss t .00ttien, nimselt that this Office be filled tip till the matter conic to he discussed its that.Honse, br would withdraw the retitions_ he then hod iniiiOnitortriiireseurta the Mince. Lord CASTLERF,AGH txpressed his willingness to trite Zbe Tlonourobte "Member a direct answer tin the subject ; battle . rezfoted his ittohifify to do so, as his atten'iim had nos Itittinto be - rn called to the matter ;- it was not- in . lris de- pArtnient 11INKT.S!.AON sala a fiw word, which were inaudihie in Ilic - Gallery: Mr. KENNEDY ecsumed.—There was an Act of I'arlia neut relating to this very point, pasted in the year 1817, the intention of Which not haring been carried into effect, he was eifatims bring the matter before that House before the of- Act should have been filled up. He then presented Petitions fe am the Boronglif, of Irvine, Garra, and Kilmaritock, in Ayr sNre, alt praying 'for the restoration• to the Liturgy of her Mitlesty's name. and her reinstatement in all her rights and privileges.—Ordered to - be piloted. Petitions were presented by f▪ ir CH. COLE, from Swansea; and by 13Y IG, friim the Ship Owners of the port of London, tha inhabitants of the, parish of Shoreditch, the Charch wrrdens of the . parish of Sr. Betolph, the Lock - make rs of ITistiodsditch, the undersigned inhabitants of Hammersmith, eeeet of Si. Matthew. it. WILSON ruse to present a petition, monerously by 3117 of a respect able'class of Artisans of this Me e.-epelis, the dressers of Spanish morocco leather.—(A laugh.) —Gentlemen might laugh—they were but artisans, it was true--they were poor ; hot they were loyal, aad paid their teixese and they had as much right to he beard by petition in ttiot House, as those who were represented by Aldermen, or other equally dignified characters: The petitioners were highly commendable for the tone in which their petition was conceived. They entertained but one sentiment with respect to - the conduct of the Met - ohm's of his Majesty's Government. Tbey regarded, with detestation, the late proceedings against the ; Queen. They considered that the oatission of her mem: in the Liturgy was an outrage against all justice, cal cplated and designed to brand her name with infamy', that she might he constrained to live in exile ; or, if she !liquid return to this country, to operate to her prejudice, in public ofsinion, that she might be presented at the bar of her Judges as one already degraded. It was with feelings of re gret, that they had seen political malignity introduced into those temples where religion- ought to have presided. The Petitinnere stated that they prayed for the restoration of her Majesty's name, not only teecanse it *as her right, not only Lecause the law justified it, but because it was the only means of restoring tranquillity, and in the words of the telitiim, the only means by which the sword of civil dissen e'en could he restored to its scabbard, and the torch of civil ciilciird extinguished. Ile (Sir B. Wilson) said, that if this were not done, peace could nor be, and ought not tee be re stored. Althottgh he might be suspected of promoting agitation and alrhonglihe might be privately charged with such motives out uldnors,be . would maintein that the agita• -ration which existed, ought not to subeide without this were Ofe—if they did allow it—it would be the peace—not of free ten —hid of slaves! No free Government could exist if the 'voice of the people were not to hare influence with ite--if that wese not the case, hr would as soon live under the sway Of a Sebeh of Persia or a Dry of Algiers: . as in this country. - He did net coincide -with the tuaxiat which saiii—erquise - i- MOM pacent, Gello justissimi), fintefermn. If anarchy was a disease, tyronny was the death of a free State. He hoped that when this question came to be disgust , d lo that House, Hon. 'Members woul' spew - more attachment to their coin try, by tatting into consideration the state - it was In, than to file places of his Majesty's Ministers.—The Petition was then brought up, and ordered to be trrinted. The Hon. Gentle wan presented a similar Petition front the Inhabitants of .13olton-le-Moor, in Lancashire, which was ordered to be printed. llr. WHITBREAD presented Petitions from the Operative awyers of London and -tt estmlester, and front certain In habitants of the parish of Edmonton, praying for the restot a lion of her Majesty'a name to the Liturgy, &c.--Ordered to j)e printed. Mr. R. BAUTONT presented a similar Petition front several tespect able' Clergym en, Gentry, arid Traders of Evesham, in 'orcestershlre. He trusted the prayer of the petition would be attended to, ns be was convinced there was.no other mode of satisfying the convulsed and agitated minds of the nation-. Ordered to be printed. The Marquess of TAVISTOM pr..ecrrtrA stikaitur "irrxrf the Gerotemen, Freeholders, end Inhabitants of the County of Bedford. The petition was signed by 2.sooTree- Isellers - , who prayed for a Refor-m - tn the Hume; of Commune, and deprecated the late proceedings against the Queen. Tht• reeling, at which this petition was agreed upon w is-one of the most numerous, respectable, and well-condocted :Issenl bilge! be hAei ever witnessed. It .might perhaps suit Mini tiers and others to stigmatize this county meeting as a farce. It Was - very well for such - libellers to in holes and cor ' hers, and utter libels against the people of England, who were far more loyal than they, and less capable of betraying - one confidence that might he ret.osed in them. Hr hoped and trusted that if the present Ministers should remain in _power, hev'would pause ere they confirmed in their - present conrse, - to drive the nation to 'the utmost verge of despair - - that they would cease to stigmatize as blaephemous amt sedi tious those who had the audacity to oppose . them, conduct which was elisreputable, and not to 'lie:tolerated either in private or life.—The petition was brought up, and or , dered to be printed. Mr. BERNALL presented similar Petitions from Rochester, 'and from the Perish elf St. Marylebone, W,stminstrr. The latter Petition was signed by upwards of 7000 inhahilants, a body of evidence in his opinion sufficient to show, that what the Noble Lord opputrite . had stated, that his Majesty's Mini seers ,p,neseesed the confidence of the country, was not cur ; *reel ; and instead of these meetings "wing farces or inter- Wet, ore Only hoped they would not prove to be the serious preeurotts of political tragedies. Mr..IARVIA presented a similar Petition; signed by 10,000, of the Inhabitants iif the ('eu Lit y of Harprchire. • Sir W. PE CHESPIGNY said, t hatinivitig 1 een o cif the pine; eel act ore in the " farce' . -he frit himself called npoit to say a few words with respect to it.—f Laughter.) —lf the meet lii of this conntywas - tie be called a farce, other county meet ings might tie deonininated as comedies, or might lie traec-e - It was not till he entered the' House that evetiing that The had heard that Ibis reepectelde meeting bed been stigmae lised in a moot erhltrary, doeunstitothmal manner, as a mob.. Aft aesumblies..he . sopposel, in a Short time would be,stig anatise.4 as mobs, except battalions of soldier; and sTradrons. •of boric. Ile had great respect for great military talents,; but from the mouth of any one, such a cetioney was disreei. . seectfut to parliament and the country at large. They werei not"meeting'on - the plains of -Waterloo,..nor German doe srtioions underlhe inspection of the y. Those Gentle- , _pen wten - bad dared' to laugh on the occesion, ought to statni up 'noiost such tract fees. The meeting in eriestion was :14 numerously attended AS. it 'could be ; there were upwards of .seven or eight thousand present. Malty attempts had hero made to preveiat so numerous en assemtriege, and-in this at; cum' the saute (he:Ole:mate, the'Seevetary - o the Pitt Chilt; tic '0, 7 14-veil, lA, had get lie the County Address, wos very etm epienivis. This Gestolenittn happened to be tinder Sheriff to the Coenty, and ae it was generally seterseed be acted-with the temeurrence i,t the High Sheriff, he obtained much in ire than.tie.esvotti4 oelserwier have ,distie. se:lt:on these. Ore eon:stances, he not help being a little warm, and hr should have been ashamed eit himself if he had nut ttatcd them. Mr.. FLEMING said, thst as colleague to tit:elfin). Gentle man who bad Wu:luta in this Petition, he could not help say ing alew words. Ile certainly could ant support the senti - "rents of the Petition, and with respect to the meeting . , at which it was iigreed open, he teas bound in justice to the county at large to soy, that tee greater pat t of - the rank, pro perty, and respectability of 'the Cotruty of Hampshire %sere not present. - Mr. WELLESLEY POLE hardly Isom in - what way he Might. to treat the observations which had father from the • Hon, flat unit on the otlier side (Sir William de Creepigtey). hie hid some doubts as to whether the flOn. Berrinel'e allu sioos fell within the orders of - that Hottse : bat as he was not s'„pped by the Chair, it only remained for hint to make a few ohservations'on then,. The H o nioirable'Gentleman had , used . very hard wurds—(Cries.of No,..aud ., Yes').—were not sen timents such as he had expressed with respect to another Noble person. The SPEAKER here interrupted the Hon.". Gent lemen, and. reminded biro I lost he was not of order, The reason he had not interrupted the Hon. Brirone't Was, that had not been ahle to collect, from what had fallen 'from him, the pereun to :whom he alluded. Mr. WELLESLEY POLE hnped the Hon. Baronet would eto him the justice to allow that le had not . inieconcei veil who he had allotted to. He rhouelit the obsereatioos he had made - tended - to etifirely - mi,represent tt at-indisidnat, and he was ;Wished, that it be had Lumen that high personage, be would know that there Was r'o't a man in this country, nor in the world, who had a higher respect for the liberties of the pot ple.—(Cheers.)—This smile and langli -might sit very well upou lawyers and Givitlane, but he-thought... Till became those who ought to know that Noble per situ better., ;1:1(1 the beneEt they had dt•rived from hisseri'ices. He Was about to - say, that the Honourable Batonet s was misinformo in what he had stated, or allotted to.•7fle Was satisfied that his Noble Kola= lion had it not in his contrniplaf ittt;lnitl that - treitid not tar any thine at all disrespectful on the subject alluded to. Ile did not sae one word about the freeholders of the County.....- What his Noble Relation had siTaL - Ifflolistattee;wa - s; - that - tee- emssidered an assemblage of a County, at which one side only could be heard, was not a fair constitutional and regalia county meeting. His Noble Relation had not perhaps weighed every word before he uttered it, like a regular public speaker. He had -tried the. word farce,"Andit had been takenadvan tage of by the opposite side. If he had :teen betrayed into any warmth he beggetLto.apologize.(Hear Sir WM. DE CRESPIGNY explained. Mr. BARING did not wish - to • say one word expressive of disrespect to a NiThie_ Person why had been alluded to. He was sensible of the great obligation he, in common with the whole country, owed to that Illustrious Commander—such as they never - could'repay, and tie was "-extremely sorry that he should have been tempted 16 use the expression he did in an unguarded manner.—(Hear, bear, hear I.)—He bad, however, stated, that the meeting in question was a tumultuous one.— For a refutation of this he begged to refer to the Hon. Mem her for the County of -Hanyshire opposite (Mr. Fleming; who had obtained a patient hearing from the beginning VI the end of a speech not at all suited to the supposed sentiments of Atte Meeting. If he could controul the "tuntultnous con duct of that assembly, it was more than, his opponents could do with the uproar and cimfusion created fir the exclusive loyalists of the City of. Loudon on a late occasion. • Mr. FLEMING was sorry that any thing he should have said on the occasion in question was provoking. He thought the meeting was convene:l for public discussion, and what he said lie believed to have been perfectly fair. The petition Was then Lirought up and read, and ordered to be printed. Several others were presented anti read at the same time ; but front the low tone of voice in which the Un der Clerk read, it was impossible to distinguish in the Gal lery any one point connected with them. Lord BELGRAVE presented a similar petition from Chester, which, in addition to the prayers of the to hers aboye noticed, prayed for an inquiry into the Niihau Commissiori.-- , '-- Ordered to be printed. Sir T. ACKLAND presented a similar petition front Dart mouth, with 1,250 signatures. Amongst 'these, the petition set forth, there were one magistrate, 400 gentlemen and yeo men, 150 master nimmfacturers, •200 artisans,- and U or 700 ladies and respectaltle females—CA laugh.)—The petition particularly complained that the •Petitioners were prevented by the Administration of the country front offerittg up their prayers for her Majesty in the face of the Church. and prayed that her name might •be restored to the Liturgy, and•her Royal Person guarded from all farther oppression. Lord J. gussELL said, hr had been requested to support the prayer of this Petition. He fully concurred in the wishes of the - Petitioners, and he hoped, after that night's debate, the Ministers would go down to-morrow morning for that pur pose, and that they would see the Queen's name inserted in the Liturgy by Sunday, according to their advice.—The Pet.i• Lion was then brought up, and ordered tube .printed. Mr. BARING presented a similar Petition from Taunton. Ordered to be printed. Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS presented two Petitions to the same effect ;.•one from , the Incorporated Trades of Dum fries-, and the other from the.Journeyinen of-the same place. Mr. WM. SNIITII presented a Petition from Norwell, the langunge of which he could vottch was perfectly proper, and respectful-towards that Honourable House. It praytd for the restoration of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy, &c. and for a Reform of Parliament. It spolie . t he unbiassed, uninfluenced sentiments of a.lar.ge class of the inhabitants of that city; than whom,none were better known for talents, for integrity, And he would say for education. It had acquired 4,500 signa tures in tour days; and these had been given without the et -ercise of the slightest influence, and caul): from - the sub scribers as the unbiassed sentiments of their, own hearts. ADJOURNMENT. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE QUER it was agreed; that the House, at its rising, should adjourn to Wednesday next. COMMI*I TEE OF SUPPLY. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHF,QUER moved for a Committee of the whole .House, upim rt motion of Sirpply. Mr. CREEVY did not mean to object to the motion. nor to detain the Houle long hi what he had to say. He' wished merely to call the attention of the House - and the publPc to the subject which was now before ..them. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said a few words across the table, which we conid not collect. Mr. C'REEP'Y could notconsider that he bad done his ditty, if he had let the motion he made without pointing out to the attention of thepublic even in this first' stage of the proceed ings., that the! louse were thus in the habit of voting hundreds upon bundred• - , thousands optic timusands,and ruiljL4ns omot the 10rt5i.....,,,,t7-0-iptstottreerte-trtrsiresoft !MT md• ney having arty control over its expenditure. He called anen tion to the subject now, hecause.he had hOpe of the aPPtofich of better times. The conctry has lately put itself in a noble attitude, by its great and glorious exertions, by whicp it had saved the Cloven, and given stability to the Crown. Ile .hoped it would now turn itt attention ttrthe protection of the public property in that !loose. He had heard certain tan• guage.attributed to a Noble Doke in another Hottse, which he knew not whether to believe or to discredit. %Whe ther it was true. or not, that that Noble Duke had ea!led the meetings of the country a farce, he did not know ; but if it was, true, be was sure the Sentiment had been picked up .in the society of Kings and Emperors; it was a sentiment wortbypf Troppatt.—(Hear, hear!)—He had no doubt that the `Royal Politicianst here wonld'deem a comity meeting a farce;,but for hint,, if he might recommend a real farce, it should . be a Committee of Supply.—(A langb.)—lt was his intention shortly to submit to the House a Measure alum this subject. All he .‘eished at present was to turn the attention of the House and of the Public to the Manner in which the Stip plieswere ,granted. He hoped that the Public would soon nmke then) mend their manners, and call upon them for some substantial prott'ction of their property. . The. House then resolved itself int, a Committee of Supply, and Certain sums fOr the use of tic Majesty were granted. — The House tlten resurned,.and the . lleport was ordered to be received on Wednesday next. LANARK PETtTION. Lord ARCHIBALD HAMILTON resented a Petition front the town of Lairirk,..;praying for the restoration of her Nl , -;jety's name. to tin... Liturgy, &c.—Ordered to he printed. NIOTION TO .RESTORE gm: QUEEN'S NAME. TO THE lURGT. _ Lord ARC:URALIOTA:HILTON was sure that Ire • ikad never offered himself to the notice of .the House when there was• more necessity for atten-" don, both With-reference to the subject, and with - reference ,to the individual whom it concerued. It woui-d , be superfluous in him, after the eaten-: sive. number of P6titions _with whitth that Tablet had :been deluged, to insist on the inherent inn. 4 .. portance which 'attached to it, or• the deep inte rest.whiCh.the public .at large .had taken in the subject. He hoped that •the deficiency of that individual who addressed'them would•be amply made up by the: weight.of those Petitions, and that the House would take them into considera tion along with what he . was going•to say. That .it would consider also, not only what he•and the petitioners asserted, but the : causes which had thus operated to - call forth the expression of pub lic opinion. The first obvious impressions Which the exclusion of her Majesty's mttne from _the 1:) . -- - turgy created; was' that extensive 'ferment and irritation which had pervaded this unfortunate country- ever since that' period --extending to that. House, and preventing all attention to the affairs of the country--spreading fronrone corner of thP kingdom to the other,•and interfering with the business--and pursuits of the inhabitants. • Standing in that place as he 'did, and speaking upon that subject .as he did, the Right Hon. Gen ' titmen opposite, - and the others-of , their adlie rents tnie - , t ,ht - think- that 'he had adopted this sub ? . ject with pa;ty views. Once for all, he would protest against such att accusation ; and hu begged the flouse to recollect. whether he' ad waited for the expression of public- Opinion, before he . had . declared' his own sentiments upon this unfortu -nate queStion. )Vbert "her 'Majesty .was first in sulted, on her arrival in this .country, • and wheri she was spoten• of in that 'circumlocutory an gtiage by the Noble Lord opposite and - his Cu!- ' leagtres, he diA himself standup - and assert her rights, from motives entirely unconnected with party feeling.. No man was more disposed to view the question gravely and deliberately than "he was ; but when the ,Noble Lord and the Chancellor of the Exchequer came forward: tosstate that it ought to be ccitikidered 1 4 , a strictly legal -,que,l4ion, he coulo 4 not belp.trsl.Pig‘tbetn", 'whethi:7:_titaring the many months winch had elapsed ( since the exclusion of her Majesty's name froth the Liturgy, they and their adherents had viewed her case as a cool' legal question ? Whether they had not, on the contrary, treated her with every species of injustice and indignity? Upon the grounds which he had - - tated, be would confidently say, that motives of party never could be imputed to him in bringing forward this motion.lle recollected that when the Hon. Member for Bramber made his'motion, which occupied so much of the time and attention of the House in the last session, that he (Lord A. Hamilton) then stood up to submit the same motion Which he now intended to propose. And he would ven ture to ask, if his Amendment had at that time been carried, whether that House, the Crown, and. the Country, would not at that moment have stood in a more favourable situation! He -re peated, that he did not enter into the subject with party views, although he did not mean to disclaim a fair and open hostility to the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. In' the ample discus sion which the exclusion of her Majesty's name was likely to afford, he should consider it to be a subject as much unconnected with the Crown as any other subject which came regularly before the Mouse ; for he conceived the constitutional doctrine to he, that when any subject came under debate in that House, they must trace its respon sibility to Ministers. Therefore, neither could it be imputed to him that iu introducing his motion, he meant any disrespect, r harboured any impro per feeling towards the Crown. He would first observe, that he could not conceive it possible, and he should be glad to hear the views of Ministers upon those matters—it was not possible that her Majesty could rest in this country with the mere addition, as the Noble Lord seemed to declare, of a pecuniary establishment. If nothing more was clone to allay that irritation which had be come so general—ifnothing was done in the .way of substantial justice to her Majesty, the CQUII try never would be restored to quiet. Was the press, on both sides, to 'he allowed to continue its violence? Ile was not for any measures which would , restrict its liberty,'but he would take away the cause of its excesses. Aud what was their foundation ? If there was any one thing more than another; for in that concatenation of causes which had arisen out of the proceedings against her Majesty, it was not easy to- select one worse than the rest. But if there" was one more mischievous than any other, it. was the ex.: elusion -of her name from the Liturgy. That Was the unjust, impolitic, unconstitutional rea son to which he alluded. Therefore, if the House did not think Ministers, wrong in the course they had pursued, he would ask them what_ measures then had to propose, from which they ;eXpected the irritation of the country to cease, and by which justice, so long denied to her Majesty, would be at, last afforded to her. It was his wish, after the notice given by Lis Noble Ffiend (;he ,144rquia of Tavittock) to limit if, possible, to the mere subject of the Li .turgy ; because, - in the _motion of his Noble Friend, a. more ample opportunity would be of-, .foaled of - quitering !moult the proceedings con nected with . i her Majesty's case. - .But itvas im possible to contemplate the consequences of-this single act, anti not feel a degree•of warmth and disgust very difficult-to - be distrained. - An act which placed the whole of-the country in a fer ment of irritation—artact.So unjust towards her Majesty; so mischievous—he knew of no term which would sufficiently characterize the pro ceeding, as to pronounce it revolutiiinary. lie was aware of no conduct of the Radicals either in the House _(and sometimes there was vtoletice there) or out of the House, which could compare with the -revolutionary conduct of Ministers in . , advising such proceedings. He should state 'the grounds. upon which he .should call upon the "louse ;to 'come -to a resolution that it was un wise, improper, and Inexpedient to omit her Majesty's name from the Liturgy. And in order to state these grounds„ he called upon the House to consider well the situation in which her Ma jesty stood before her arrival in this country. Because subsequent conduct, arising from a just irritation, could not have a restrospective -effect. The other night the. House had been told -of what :her Majesty .had .since ,done-; there fore it was that lie called upon the House to di -vest themselves of such feelings. The Worthy Alderman (Ileygate) deprecated the leaving out her Majesty's name from the'Liturgy ; but he then' called her Letters, herAddresses,and her Answers, - pronounced them treasonable, and concluded that. her• name should. knot he restored. -Then, he -would ask,.-was not that trying her for one thing, and puuishinK her- for- -another;--- - ftut - if - this seqUent conduct of her "Majesty was to bye ap plied,.then!he'ealled upon them to apply her übsequent injuries and insults in extenuation. .But.the .principle of this,—it was the principle against which he contended. It- had- been mot aptly compared to the practice of • the ; they laid the victim upon the rack, 'and tool[ down 'the expressions of pain; as the con fosions of guilt.. SHe would proceed to examine what was th e situation of her- Majesty when her name was struck -out of - the -Liturgy: , -Beni's& he hoped that they would thitik - as he did,"that the act was not only unjust, illegal, and uncon 7 -situtional, but that it was perpetrated against a person already wronged and - injured. What was her situation ? Without a 'bowe, )iithout any sta tion in the country, without any reception abroad, the very laws had deceived her, for as a' wife she had no husband, she had no station in• ad dition to - all . - which, she had left the - country - With a fa . ll letter. of licence for any line -of con duct she chose to adopt. Persecuted by spies, and by every-thing in the shape or diplomatic she met With no protector in 'the quatter where she should have expected protec tion, - and received - full - licence for' -hen conduct. Would that House, ortny -- other part cyl . • -the country, eveft that ideal part called the State, would apy one of to be shocked, under such circum!tances, at any conduct, when she carried a letter of licence iu her po - cket: If:411 with which her Majesty was charged were true . ; and he be lieved her to be innocent; but if all were true, h Kersecuted a . s.,,Oie had been by spiv, anal Fed try, corritikt,stk,„ t i p(evjolis...6,pqc4A . •• -• , had been observed towards--her ought to have prevented any unreasonable man from bringing her to punishment. Had she not already under gone one charge in this country, from which she had been acquitted ? Could any man, then, say she had had fair play ? Ile would say, that she had been the first person injured, and that she had been provoked to the commission of crime, if crime there was.--(Murmurs.)—ln venturing a few observations upon the legal part of the case, he would ask Ministers why her Majesty's name had been excluded, and to that he would request a plain answer. It was said that at the time when the act was done, heavy charges were im ,pending against her. Then, he asked, if those heavy charges had not been proved, why continue the exclusion ? And if they had been proved, why not propose some judgment, or arraign her ? But they had failed to prove any part of that which had been brought forward to accomplish her ruin. He had before hind the Order in Council of the 12th of February, to which he wished to call the attention of the House. 'lt set out with stating, that by the Act of Uniformity, the Council possessed the power of altering the Prayers. He must deny that statement altoge ther. There was no provision whatever in the Act by which they could make alteration in the Prayers. It must be obvious to any Gentleman, that an alteration in the Prayers meant an altera tion in the words ; the power of altering two or three words, just the substance. But the Act expressly said that the alteration was to be of names, and not words. Therefore, he would ask the Right HonOnrable Gentlemen oppo site, what authority they had in a legal point of view, to alter not only worli, but whole sentences. If was intended by the Act to confer a pOwer or prerogative, why not express it ? It was tint prayers which could be altered, but names. He must also observe, that in the section to which he alluded, for the alteration of the Collects, it was directed " That the name be altered and changed." Now the Order in Coun cil gave no strict direction,, no positive order to that effect. Their sole authority was founded upon the Actof Parliament of the 13th awl 1-ith of Charles 11. Therefore their authority would not stand, for 'he would say that that Act did not give them such authority. He would ask to what extent did they contend the Act gave them authority ? Did it empower them to make such changes for the satisfaction of mere caprice ? ,He should Think, judging from many other events, that the intention was not to invest the Crown with the power of exercising such caprice. If such a doctrine were to be maietained in that House, he thought in that House it would be , destroyed. Was it ever contended,—could it be -contended, that the Act gave authority not-only for the exercise of this caprice, but also gave a powertomake the Liturgy the medium of penal degradation to the Queen ? This order was meant as a degradation to the Queen, therefore he asked if the Act gave them power po to alter it for the purpose of that degradation ? Lf not, .the House:would conclude NNith him, that in a legal view his • Majesty's Ministers had been wrong in excluding the Queen's name. He 'could not here Avoid stating, the Archbishop of Canterbury must- .have been unacquainted with' these facts ; but his wonder was, that the Lord Chancellor could have . presided at a Council where such an order was decreed. It might be presumptuous in him (Lord A. Hamil ton) to question the legal decisions of the ',Ord Chancellor and the Law Officers of the Crown; but there ,was one thing which they had done connected with this Order in Council, which was at least nugatory. They bad sent into Scotland— , to Scotland, where they had no jurisdiction! Therefore he would. say, .and he was sure the 1 . ..0rd Advocate would contradict him if he was wrong, that in Scotland at least, the Order was weak, ineffectual; and nugatory ; and had been there what it ought to have been every where else,. mere waste'paper. It *as not material to notice the other _names attached to the Order; but there was one connected with it, whose -con- duct was so strange : that he could not help al luding to it. He meant the Right Hon. G. Canning. It was at all times diFagreeable to say any thing harsh of any Gentleman in his absence. But it was his absence of which he had to complain. Common report mentioned a difference to have subsisted between that Right Honourable Gen tleman and his Colleagues upon the subject of her Majesty's injuries. - Whether that report was truelte could not sa.Y . .' But if it was true, it was not too much to expect him in his place to" acknowledge that difference. If, as he confess'ed. at the commencement of the proceedings, the of-: teiftion and 'regard which - he had entertained for her Majesty remained undiminished,—if he had resigned from principle, as he wished it to bosup posed,,he ought now to havecOme forward and have given her the benefit of that difference. He . .was at a loss'to know how to'reconcile that lion. Gentleman's conduct. He had originally countenanced the prosecution—he-had signed his mule to the order for excluding her from the Li turgy----he had kept his place. throughout the whole proceedings, and then from the discovery of some peculiar differences of opinion had sepa rated from his colleagues. If he (Lord A. H.) had retired :from dee, he should have given her Majesty .the . benefit of that Opinion which led him to diff4: r from her prosecutors., •But he did contend, that retiring as. the Right Hon. Gen tleman had done, he, had left a doubt whether he disagreed with his colleagues or not. His in tention now was to move that the order for the exclusion of her Majesty's name from-the Liturgy was-ill-advised and. inexpedient. But let it not be considered : that he lithited his expectations to that. No.- not only -required that Minis. te' should receive censure from that House and from the Country for having done wrong, but that they should also have some -stimulus ,to do right, and to reStote . her. Majesty to that station which ikg her just right ; and though it was not his intention to go • farther than the vote of cen sure at present, he wished to ask the Noble Lord and his co:Heaves, as the proceedings iii another place had rerminlet .d-- by a v 'y which went 4,.l.i.itist her Maj sty, •ti tribs, ft oceed .. 'tngs .. iire ‘ -kftv•Artlg a an( ti nes\ } :v t ifect ,s e \ thb , y‘prolmshl to . give o that' roe e ng ? • ~. If they considered that vote to be a bona fide verdict, why give it up ?• But if, on the contrary, they did give it up, why continue in. the punishment of her Majesty ? Why not re store her name at. once to the Liturgy ? He thought,they were bound to know what effect Mi- nisters meant to give to that verdict, if any ; and when they did know, then how they meant to pro ceed to act upon it. Upon what principle were the prayers of the people granted to Royal Family ? Upon their Merits as individuals in pri. rate life ?—No ; as being of the Royal. Family, independent of any personal qualification. Must comparisons now be mule. ? Must it be said, this Member- is tit---another is unfit ?--Whatever might be the effect there, itinust operate sensibly upon the country. If Ministers ntoant to fix a stigma upon the Royal Family ; or upon any in dividual member of it. They talked of sedition and irreligion in the land. Was there ally thing, which went so completely to make an engine of religion as 'their excluding firer Majesty's name from the Litnigy berause she was the object of their impotatiols ? When the Noble Lord said he did - not intend any further proceeding.; against her, the fact was that he could not produce any other measure. Therefore, vt lien he was obliged to give up because he had lost the power to proceed, let him not take to himself the credit of forbear ance. There was one thing more, to which he desired the attention of the 110n7,e more than to any other circumstance. Ilan equivalent was to be granted for, the sufferings and wrongs of tier Md-, jesty, 'he called upon the 'House '.‘ly and dis- pasionatelv to consider what would be the situ ation of the Queen of P.,ngland Henceforward. To retleCt upon the effect which those papers, Supposed to be. under the influence of Goverri went, must have, allowed to continue in their present course ; if any poison supposed to curry favour with the Ministry should be allowed tv continue pouring out. the tarrent of calumny and falselood - by which her ivlajesty was assailed , ' P . those things were aiiowed to remain in flit' situation in which they now stood; what could stop that which now deluged the country with demoralization. Wa's this no evil ? And was there to be no measure to counterbalance' or to prevent it, but the allowance of which' the Noble Lord' had spoken ? He hoped the House would not a l low this subject to occupy them through this yes-' sion as the, last, to the exclusion of .thoe tOpics, more particularly the distresses of the country, which ought to come under their seri ous and immediate consideration. He was convin ced that the,Noble Lord and his colleagues did not . advise the proceedings as a - sound measure; it.was forced upon them, in consequence of some , sinister.adyice given to the Crown. Therefore they had evinced a base.servility ,in acceding t° least a degree of servility whiCh eras base:' fint;l . the House took tie' matter into their own hands he would say, lit the language of the C:dlant - aeneral behind hifui discord .would contitittP to 'prevail througWfrut - the • country - : The Noble Lord concluded by moving,-- "'That the Order in Council of the of F brul t 1 520 . which excluded the name of her >lajeAty. Amelia U 17,4404 from the prayvrs of the flpPea" to this . Huse to be a Inca stpe inexped,ot." . Mr. DELIS said it bad not been his intention to s have' taken any part in the debate, but for sorr‘, expressions in the speech of his Noble Friend (I F he might be so pertnitted to call him), which a-I -7 hided to a Rt. Hon. Friend of his now a hsent,which appeared to hith to call upon some . friend of that Right Hon. Gentleman's for 'explanation of hiS conduct. His purpose in rising was to deprecate any stich course of proceeding, and to ask for lON bearance from his friends on that side of the Hollse, and induce them to refrain from replying to any charge, or insinuation of eharge,agai" 4 that - Right Hon. Centletylan.. Front the first Right Hon. Friend'. had announced his &omit- - nation -to take' no part in the proceedings against the. Queen. Froni the moment the Address °C the House failed of its ,obiect he took no part. ---7 Me *as absent abroad during the proceedings ill tho. Lords, and he returned at the dose Of these proceedings. The state of things then induce(' him to think that the conduct which he had lwre lofore pursued was no longer compatible v• tsi —• the situation which he held: He therefore sur rendered his office, and haying thus purchasea the right td,follow that line of conduct which he conceived proper, he again absented himself' 11 11- til the ferment which at present existed had 'ti l) " sided. He would make one observation with re •sPect to hiS . Right Hon . . Friend haviog coinch" with Ministers in excluding hex name from the .I . .iturgy. The Right 'Hoe. Gentlenw l had himself in 'a speech., which could hardly ye.t be effaced froM the. remembrance of the House, stated the reasons which appeared to hint to PI tify that measure. He would not injure th e effect of that speech by repeating the reasons as" signed to hirn,but would merelynbserye,that 'tiring froth Office he lia.d no wish towithdraW hintself from any responsibility attaching to that We 0 ; sure. With respect to the curiosity ex presseu_ by the Noble Lord as, to the degree of diffe rence between that Right lion. Gentleman an d his Colleagues, he would beg him to satisfy hint self by w a iti ng f or th a t Ri g ht lien. Gentleruau' - S return. Without any ‘breach of confidence h e might say, that •on all great-questions of police he entirely agreed with his Colleagues: e lion. Memb e r re c a lled to the recbllection of the House the 'satisfactory manner fit which Ml'. Canning had repelled former charges when pre sented in a tangible shape, • and concluded with Observing, ,that his conduct could noton the one 'hand be attributed to any attachment to offic e / or ambition Of, popular 'fame on the other, but could only be dictated by a conscientious rega rd to , the duty. he owed to the illustrious Po'souS concerned. • . F. - ItowNs9N said, 116 had yielded,pre cedence.. to - 44 llon..Gentleinan who preceded. because he vas willin , fora few moments