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~~~~, 1 :4 • ,- • , - 110 .) . NUMBER 896g.] -DEPTFORD VICTUALLING-I'ARD,'May I 8 T., . THESE are to.give Notice, That on Thaltitag, the 7th of June next, at Ten o'Clock in the Forenoon, will be ezposed to PUBLIC .321 LE, at His Majesty's P ictualling Yard, Deptford, sundry Lots of the following PROVISIONS and STORES, now lying in the said Yard, Viz. r-- Br ead, Bread . Dust, Flour, Flour Sweepings, Raisins, 'ice. Pease, Pease Screenings, Oatmeal, Oatmeal Sweep, la gs, Dholl , Callacances, Bakehouse Sweepings; Essence of Malt, and Hops, Beef, Pork, Suet, Sugar, Butter, Cheese, and Vinegar : Leager, Butt, Puncheon, Hogshead, Barrel, H alf - Hogshead, Kilderkin, and Smell Cask Staves, Wine Pipe, Hogshead, Irish Tierce and Barrel Staves, Heading tight and dry; a quantity of Timber, Iron, Fire Wood, &c. 4 Deposit of 25/. per cent. is to be made upon the amount if each Lot at the time of Sale, and the remainder of the par chase-moncy to be paid before the Stores are removed, for which Purpose a period offourtcfn working days will be allowed front the day of Sale: the Buyers particularly obserCing that te ". 1 ' 4 4 , than. o;:i half of the quantity is to be taken away within the first seven days, and the remainder in the seven following days, otherwise the Deposit Money well be forfeited, and the Provisions or Stores remain the property of the Cr "'", as no extension of time will; on any account, be tranted. ROYAL ACADEMY, SOMERSET PLACE. VIE EXHIBITION of the ROYAL ACA DEMY IS NOW OPEN. Admission (from Eight 07,inch till Seven), One Shilling. Catalogue, One. Shilling. H. HOWARD, R.A. Sec THE PITT CLUB. HE • ANNIVERSARY' of the BIRTH of the Late Right Hon. WILLIAM PITT will be celebrated at the CITY of LONDON TAVERN, Bishopsgate-street, un MONDAY next, the 28th instant. THOMAS SHERLOCK GOOCH, Esq. M.P. in the Chair. Tickets, not transferrable, 11. 11s. Ga. each, may be had on a pplication -to the Committ e e, at the T a v ern , o n Th urs d a y, Frid ay, and Saturday, the 24th, 2EO, and 26th instant, be . - tween the Hours of Eleven and Four. London, May 180, la2l. AN NIVERSARY of the BIRTH-DAY of the Late Right Honourable WILLIAM PITT. THE NORTHUMBERLAND and NEW the CASTLE-UPON-TYNE PITT CLUB will celebrate ANNIVERSARY of the BIRTH-PAY of the l a te itp<ht Hon oura ble WILLIAM par, on MONDAY the 28th aY of May instant, at the Assembly Rooms. PRESIDENT. THOMAS GIBSON, Esq. Newcastle. 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THE Passengers engaged to ern hark in the SHIP FAME, Captain %VII, I lAM EASTGATE, are respectfully in ' -"" formed that she will Sail from Portsmouth 7 4744- 7= 4 a , 44b n , positively on Saturday, the 2Gth Inst., for f uarC"S and CALCUTTA direct. Accommodations for to Ni --)3 "entzers may still be taken •, for Terms of which apply ~`~~►ti t PAXTON, COCKERELL, TRAIL and Co. No. 8, e-riars; or to BUCKLES, - 11.A.GSTER, and BUCHA -BS, Mark Lane. has JAMAICA. the chief part of her cargo engaged, and will proceed • about the 10th June, direct for KINGSTON. THE remarkably fast-sailing BRIG TOM BOWLINE, First Class, coppered and copper- fastened, Wirthen 3io Tons, JOHN LAUGHTON, Commander, nom lying in the West India Dock. -Th e accommo dati ons f or Forgers are spaci ous , an d e l egant l y fi tted up. F i' t eight or Pas sage , app l y t o JOHN MASSON an d C o. Lime- s reet. 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An Hospital for Dogs, and advice as usual on the Diseases of Animals. PARLIAMENTARY PAPERS. SECOND REPORT from the SELECT COMMITTEE appointed to consider of the MEANS of IMPROVING and MAINTAINING the TOREIGN TRADE of the COUNTRY. The SELECT CommxT TEE appointed to consider of the means of maintaining and improving the Po - limo:1 TnAnt of the Country, and to report their opinion and observations there upon from time to time to the House;—have, pursuant to the Order of the House, considered the Matters to them re ferred ; and have agreed to the following REPORT : From the period of their submitting to the House their last Report, the attention of your Committee has been directed to the Commerce of the United Kingdom with India and China, and the Trade between those countries and, other parts of the world. The advanced state of the public business, and the ad ditional evidence yet to be received, before they can consider themselves as having completed their investigation into that branch of their inquiry, affords them no expectation of being able to produce a Report, embracing a general view of the sub ject, in sufficient time to admit of any measure being founded upon it, and receiving the approbation of Parliament previously to the close of the Session. It has, however, occurred to your Committee, in the course of their inquiry, that there are some branches of the trade, in re ference to which further facilities may s be afforded, with great advantage to the interests of British commerce and navigation ; and that such facilities cannot be delayed to a future year, without the risk of losing much of the beneficial results which, at the present time, may be expected from them. This impression is founded rather upon general principles, and cir cumstances of general notoriety, than upon any particular evi dence adduced before your Committee, however the tendency of that evidence may have been further to establish the expe diency of the - measures about to be proposed. In adverting to the peculiar system of laws by which the trade of the East Indies is regulated, the House cannot but observe, that the subjects of Foreign nations, whether European or American, are in possession of privileges far more extensive than those which are enjoyed by His Majesty's subjects gene rally,. and greater, as to many branches of circuitous and foreign trade, than have been accorded to the East India. Company itself. To relieve . the commerce and shipping of this country from a situation of such comparative disadvantage (for the continuance of which your Committee. can discover no sufficient reason) they feel the expediency of some measure, the principle of which may be, to allow British subjects, as well private traders as the East India Company, to carry on every sort of traffic between India and Foreign Countries (with the exception of the trade in Tea, and that with the United Kingdom and the British Colonies, with which they do not propose any interference) which foreigners are now capable of carrying on ; and have therefore come to the following Reso. lution, which they submit to the House : Resolved, That it is expedient to permit his Majesty's sub bects to carry on trade and traffic, directly and circuitously, btween any . ports within the limits of the East India Company's Charter (except the dominions of the Emperor of China) and any port or ports beyond the limits of the said Charter, belong ing to any State or Countries in amity with his Majesty.— May 18, W2l. ,VI JriP „ -:k---::-.:7-- -,,.-A:,---I\ON.: . -i•it* ,- , ~•,, ~k .. . e... / ... ,A .N. • - „ J:4 ~P .. , Alin ems, . \ 1, ---; • ' ' •yi. foil :. li , ‘ ,:,.., f! , • TUESDAY, MAY 22, 1821. PARL I AM ENT, HOUSE OF LORDS z MAY 21. Several private Bills were brought from the Commons, and among them was one for lighting the town of Barnsley. in Yorkshire, with gas.— In reference to this Bill the LORD CUANCELEOR observed, that he could have no objection to any town being lighted with gas, but that he must say that the effect of the escape of the gas in their Lordships' house 'had been quite intolerable that morning. Any Noble Lord who Was present could confirm his statement—that it was, quite im possible to remain in the House in consequence of the noxious effluvia. GRAMPOUND DISFRANCHISEMENT PILL. On the Order of the Day for committing this Bill, The Earl of LAUDERDALE Dbserygi, that he would not oppose the motion for goin9„into the Committee, as he wished to see wherker it was possible that it could be so amended as to render it at all palatable. If that should be found im practicable, he would, in another stage, move that the Bill be postponed to that day six months. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, if the Bill should come out of the Committee in a shape any thing like that which it now wore, he should oppose it in every stage. The Bill was then committed, on the motion of the Earl of LIVERPOOL. The Noble Earl then observed, that the first enactment declared that the Borough of Grampound should cease -to elect and return Members to Parliament. With this enactment he entirely agreed, and it was a distinct propoSition from the remainder of the clause which proposed to provide for supplying the deficiency created. This latter part might form a subject of discussion : he, would therefore propose that all that part of the clause which fol lows" the word " Parliament" should be left out. The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that although he objected totally to the principle of this Bill, yet as Parliament had frequently passed Bills for dis franchising voters, he thought that he should be doing more than he ought to do, if he proposed any thing more than to make this measure con sistent with the precedents established by former Bills. Those who had not been proved guilty should not be punished. He therefore proposed, as an amendment, that there should be inserted' in the clause these words—" That henceforth the Burgesses of the Borough of Grampound, not convicted, shall be the only Electors for that Borough." A long discussion arose on the form in which the should be put, some Noble Lords preferring Lord Liverpool's amendment, and others the Lord Chancellor's. The. Earl of Lau derdale argued strongly in support of the latter amendment._ Lord ERSKINE had heard what had already been.said on this Bill with great satisfaction, be cause he was always glad to hear the rights of the subject defended by the great talents of his Noble and Learned Friend ; but he must also observe, that much of that which had been said had no application whatever to the present mea sure. It was indeed strange that this Bill should be objected to on the ground of its being a Bill of Pains and Penalties. It was purely a remediable measure. The whole question was this :—Had there been such a course of systematic corruption in the Borough of Grampound, that the 32 per sons unconvicted, even supposilg them uncorrupt, could not be expected to exercise the elective franchise in a way beneficial to the public ? lie was satisfied that they could not return Members of Parliament purely and independently ; and therefore he was bound to vote for the Bill.- 1 4 heir Lordships had not before them a question of personal rights, but of national policy; and he supported the Bill because he saw in it a regula tion which it would be for the benefit of the pub lic to adopt. When their Lordships saw a dis position to revile and disparage the Ilouse of Commons, which could not be done without mak ing the Constitution suffer in every part, they ought to be sensible of the necessity of adopting a measure which was calculated to remove objec tions to the Constitution of that House, which existed in the minds not of the persons called Radicals, but of the most respectable classes of the community. He therefore hoped that the Bill would be allowed, to pass. The debate again turned on the form of the questibn to be put. The Earl of WESTMORLAND wished the sense of the House to be taker on the disfranchisement of the Borough of Grampound. The Earl of LIVERPOOL thought it would be more convenient to have the decision of the House on the amendment he had proposed, namely, that all the words of the first enacting clause after the word " Parliament" be left out. _ • The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that if those words were -moved to be left out, he must say " not content" for the purpose of having the op his opinion against the portunity of recording principle contained in the clause. A long conversation folloWed on this subject. in which the Earl of Lauderdale,. the Earl of . Harrowby, Earl Grey, the Lord Chancellor, Earl Bathurst, the Earl of Donoughmore, and the Marquess of Lansdown repeatedly spoke. The Earl of LAUDERDALE and the LORD CHANCELLOR objected to the Earl of Liverpool's amendment. The Earl of ITARROWBY and other Noble Lords argued that those who voted for leaving out the words in the latter part of the clause, might do go without giving any opinion on the first part. This view appeared to prevail ; and t he Earl of Shaftesbury, who was in the Chair, - 1 34 • • A. put the question on the Earl of Liverpool's amendment. Lord SIDMOUTII then rose and spoke strongly against the principle of the Bill, in so far as it applied to the disfranchising of Grampound. He advised the House to follow the example set in the cases of Aylesbury, Shorehani, and Crick lade. He preferred imitating what had been done with respect to Shoreham. In that case the names of the individuals who had been guilty of corruption were recorded in the - Act of Parlia- ment, and they were declared incapable of vot ing, not only for Shoreham, but for any other place. The Earl of WESTMORLAND spoke against the Bill, which he considered altogether unjust and unfit to be entertained by the House. The Earl of HARROWBY spoke again in favour of the Earl of Liverpool's amendment. Lord MELVILLE also supported the same amendrnerit, and defended the principles of the Dill. It was no sufficient objection to the mea sure to say that it involved the punishment of the innocent. Such punishment was already known to the law. There were many cases in which the public welfare rendered this hardship necessary. Ia the case of the hundred being sued for damage done to individuals during riots, the innocent might be said to suffer, because the exacting of the damages from the hundred was not merely meant as an indemnification for the loss sustained, but as a punishment for not pre venting the riot. Cases had occurred in Scot land, which were applicable to the present. Some years ago a corrupt agreement was proved to have been entered into by certain members of the corporation of the borough of Kinghorn. They were sued before the Court of Session, and that Court decided that the corporation could not be I.cluced. This judgment was brought by appeal before their Lordships' House. What was then done ? Why, their Lordships reversed the decision of the Court of Session. Sometime after, three individuals belonging to the borough of Stirling were proved to have entered into a corrupt agreement, and this question came again under the consideration of the Court of Session. That Court, profiting perhaps by the decision of the House of Lords in the former case, reduced the corporation. This judgment was also ap pealed against ; but their Lordships affirmed the decision of the Court of Session. These cases, which were on their Lordships' Journals, proved that they had already acted on the principle laid down in the present Lord REDESDALE opposed the Bill on the same ground which he took on the second reading. His objection to its principle was, that it had a completely revolutionary tendency. The Earl of LivEnrooL spoke again in sup port of the principle of the Bill. With regard to the objection of punishing the innocent, that occurred, as _his Noble Friend who had spoke last but one had said, in many cases. At the time of the Revolution, were not the innocent punished for the guilty ? Were not all the innocent posterity of James 11, punished for his offences ? Why was this done ? Because the kingly govern ment was considered a public trust which,could not with safety be left in the possession of the Stewart family. On the same principle he and other Noble Lords had acted with regard to the Catholic question. He had opposed the claims of the Catholics because the question was not whether they should enjoy their personal rights, but whether it was consistent with the public safety that they should possess political power. He did not now mean to say whether he was right or wrong in this view of the Catholic ques- tion ; and only mentioned it to illustrate 'the ground•hL took in supporting the present Bill. Grampound had hitherto been a close borough ; and the existence of such boroughs had been ad vantageous, by facilitating the entrance of indi viduals into Parliament, who were connected with classes in the community, the interests of which would not other Wise have been sufficiently represented. But if Grampound were thrown into the hundred, local interests would prevail in the election. Thus the plan which some of his Noble Friends favoured, instead of preventing, as they supposed, a change in the state of the re presentation, tended to produce a very great one. The Loitn CnANcp,Lon re-urged his objec tions to the Bill. He could not agree to a mea sure which must have the effect of confounding the innocent with the guilty. He did not con sider the cases referred to by Lord Melville as having a bearing on the question. Ile - had con curred with Mr. Fox and Mr. Ellis in opposing the 13111 for the disfranchising - Stockbridge, and conceived that the same objections applied to the present.measure. In order to disfranchise a borough, nothing more would in future be neces sary, but to get a majority of the electors to take money. The place would then be deprived of the right of election and the innocent punished for the 'guilty, The Marquis of LANsnowN said, that Par liament had through a long course of legisla tion, acted on the principle that the rights of the innocent might be involved in the same fate as those of the guilty. The Noble and Learned Lord, and other Noble Lords who had taken up this ground of objection, 'might recollect that in the year 1805 Parliament passed an Act for levy-, ing fines on stills in Ireland, making the pecu niary penalties be paid alike by the innocent and the guilty .wherever the stills might be found.=: A Noble and Learned Lord had called this Bill a revolutionary measure ; and so he *might, with" equal justice, many other expences. He would ask the Noble and Learned Lord whether he had supported the Union with Ireland ? And whe ther he did not, on reflection, discover that mea- PRITE SEVENP'ENTE. sure to have been far more revolutionary than this Bill ? Infiszitely more rights were sacrificed by that measure than could .be affected by this or any other Bill brought before Parliament. But that measure was doubtless supported by Noble . Lords on the same ground that their support was claimed to this, which was that of public benefit and national advantage. He was as much against acting on theory as any of the Noble Lords who had opposed the_Bill; the effect cf which was not to make, but to prevent change by keeping in view the spirit'of the constitution. lie approved of the Bill as it stood, but would net run 'the risk of losing it by objecting to any alteration that might be suggested with respect to the transfer. lie would make no capricious oppo sition on the_ ground that one place was better than another. "Earl BATHURST thought, if the House adopted the principle of depriving a body of electors of the right of suffrage, they should proceed upon a principle as little arbitrary as possible. He was of opinion that it was bettor to extend the elec-: tine franchise to the adjoining hundreds, as was proposed by the Bill which was presented to their Lordships last. lie could see no reason for proceeding upon a new principle with regard to the present Bill, the two cases being exactly similar. The Earl of CARNARVON rose to vindicate him self from the charge of inconsistency, which had been brought against him by some Noble Lords for having adopted a different principle with re gard to the present Bill, from that on which the former Bill on the same subject proceeded. One Noble Lord who had thus upbraided him seemed to consider that the only real consistency was to be found in changing from one extreme to ano ther. For his part, he (Lord Carnarvon) would not pledge himself that in all cases he should consider the plan laid clown in the Bill as the specific remedy that ought to be adopted. If the amendment of the Noble Earl should be agreed to, the Bill would then go out -of the House as his (Lord Liverpool's) Bill. However, he was happy to find that in the course of his discussions on the present measure, something like _conces sion had taken place, and that the general prin. ciple of remediable Bills would not again be or:. posed - as ,it had heretofore been. The Earl-,of LAUDERDALE, in reply to some observations which had occurred during the de bate, asked whether any Noble Lord thought that it was an act of inconsistency in him to change 'his opinion when he was convinced that he was wrong. If any Noble Lords thought it was not praiseworthy for an individual to retrace his steps when he was, convinced that he had acted erroneously, he (Lord Lauderdale) begged leave to• differ. from them on that: point. He knew, indeed, that certain Noble Lords had not always been of this way of thinking. He re membered the time when some of their Lord ships considered the veto to be absolutely neces sary previously to the granting of any coacessions to the Roman Catholics ; yet who had heard a word on the subject of the veto upon the late oc casion? The Noble Lord concluded. by observ ing, that should their Lordships act on the prin ciple laid down by the Noble Earl .oPposite (Liverpool), namely, that the elective franchise was given as a trust, and might be abrogated on the ground of expediency, they would concede every thing the reformers could possibly wish. The Marquis of CAMDEN. was of opinion that the Bill. went to establish a new principle of le gislation. lie thought. Parliament should mar k. its sense of the gross corruption which had ex isted at Grampound ; but he could not see why it should alter the mode of legislation which had been adopted.in all cases similar to the present. The House then divided on. Lord Liverpool's amendment. For the Amendment - GO Against it - - 26 Majority - - —34 Uporr re-entering the House we found the Earl of LIVERPOOL urging the propriety of grant ing to the county of York the privilege of hence forth sending four Members to Parliament in stead of two.. He thought it was best in the first instance of departing from the principle of "extending the right of suffrage to the hundreds to transfer it to the county - of York, which was above competition for its wealth, both landed and commercial. lie also--,preferred to extend the right of voting to York, in preference to Leeds, because the change would involve no principle of a new mode of election. The Noble Earl concluded with moving, that it should stand as part of the Bill that it be enacted, that if dur ing the present Parliament a vacancy should occur. in the representation of Grampound, ah additional Member shOhld be returned for the county of York, and that at all future elections after the disselution of the present Parliament the said county of York should return 4 knights of the shire instead of two. The Earl of CARNARVON would not oppose the amendment of the Noble Earl; bathe hoped if other Bills of a similar nature should come before their Lordships, they would grant the elective franchise to large towns, which would be the means of removing one great existing cause of discontent. • The Earl of IIAREwoon was of opinion that the proposition of the Noble Earl would, if acted upon, create gr,eat inconvenience to the county of York. 1 . ,t would afford an opportunity for any individual, whether in earnest or not, to offer himself as a candidate, and, by keeping the poll open, put his opponents to considerable expense, and in a great degree to suspend the business of the inhabitants of the County. The Marquess of LANSDOWN suggested that the evils contemplated by the Noble Earl might