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G IMP - R IAL -PA RL Id N HOUSE OF PEERS, MONDAy, JULY 4. .CooNsst were finally heard relative to the 'Writ ,of Error, A'skew (for the Duke efQUEEN , ,BIe..IIY), 'v. kat R. Maeitreth, Kitt. namely Messrs: Ito_ • $11,,,Li. and Ptsmrl Fit on behalf of the Defendant, and Mr. Set , jeaot Lttts for the Plaintiff, in reply. The, hearing of 'Counsel was interrupted by the business of notifying the Royal Ass:nt to certain Bills ; when the same Was given to the' Additional Custom Duties Bill, the Medicine Stamp Duty, the Scotch Highland Roads, the Excise Duties, the Militia Transfer, the .Militia Officers' 'Augmenta-- Ora iiill, the Irish, Ship Proteaion, the Irish corn, the, Irish Qualification.lndemnity, and also to a con. siderable number of other Bills, mostly rrivate. ~.The Lords Commissioners were the Lott CH AN- Cf,1,1,0 a ' Lord W WINGI.I 4M,, anti Lord Al,- VANLEY. • After Counsel, as above-mentioned, had finished their ArguiritTts, s . The LORI) :INCA:44Q R quitted the Wool, sack, andAtated his opinion, upon the Case, at con-. eistetable'.len t ith. His - Lordship concluded, ,with sulthatting certain westions, artsitig out of the le. zioe.oririgi.ot: the e;ar, .which he proposed should b:.;•: - reeettedr to the consideration of the Judges,— •ThC'se . Meeting the sense of the House, were ordered ,to h.! reltrred TheLOßt? CIIANCELLOR then, after a few pre fatory 'oliservationc stated some additional legal tnettr lecpening. the pending case of Thellusons Thellossous, which' he' ,ennceived as necessary to be 'lm to the cosideration of the Judges.~ —This being thrown into a regular Aare, was, after a few • pip.ervationri 'frotp the Earl of SUN FOLK, and a ,thirrt explanatory Convet cation between the Loan cIiaNCELLOK and . .Lord MULGRAV r, ordered to be.referred accordingly. • fieveral Bills'were brought up from the Commons bk, Mr. ALUXAND FIL and others, which were sell:- !Ay read s first time, Po the reading of one of these, the Earl of Sur yot,K took oceasio,n to advert to the general subject of 'thz Poor's ,Rates, :which he seemed to think arrkot . tot c d to :t fourth part of the rental of 'the 11c declared his inte,rion, on some tu. pre day, to. subMit a proposition to their L or d. . Ofp3 art the subject. 01 the second reading of the Scotch Additional ne - Eir . e . l of S,UFFOr..K shortly observed, that f)ped' it 'Were ,Competent to him, though he passed this.stage of the 13111 in silence, to deliver his 'Sentiments upon points' connected therewith, ;11.00 tic;: third reading of the Bill, The Order of the Day was th en rea d f or the Houseit) resolve into a' Committee upon the Army of Re. ae, ve heir Lordships accordingly resolved ih,! came ; Lord WAI.SINGIIANI in'the Chair. Thepre4mbhi of the Bill being postponed, and the question 'being put upon the first clause; Tie of SUPPOI,K expressed his wish to know, whether it would not be competent to him at a future time to deliver his sentiments generally opoo the measure. lie un:lerstood a Roy a l Pe r . sunage intended to offer an important amendment to (me m( the clauses, His wish was to throw no obitrtrlion whatever in the way of the Bill ; however, greatly wished to deliver his sentiments as a Military Mall upon the subject, and, relative to which, he h1t, 41 1,1 have s o me ptopositions to sub. plit to f its Majesty's Ministers. The Noble Chairman explained to his Lordship, the rer,Phr motie and order of proceeding upon the kti t ge of the Bill. The first eiglyeen clauses of the Bill were agreed to hy tLe Committee without observation or amend. mew. When the 19th Clauie was arrived at, which en. hels ‘‘ That every man who shall be ballotted under this At to serve in the same Army, shall be enrol. led to serve within the .United Kingdom of Great ' )tciitt and Ireland, and within she Islands of Caerosety, Jersey, and Alderney, for the defence ' of the sanie, and not elsewhere, for five years," & c , The-DO 4 vE,df cum pERL AND rove, and after prweatitig agablg every ilea cii iv kiting to impede the ine,hure, (the principle of which lie rnost cor. filially al prove,!) still less of saying any thing which may tend to (limp the spirit of the Country, which glad to sec generally roused again st the on. Frtoeftled attacks or the Consul of Fr..trice, against 1:s Lihrrty and Inderendence, declared his opinion thar the this part of it, may be amend. ri,l in t h e way he t.hotild propose, with the possilde (4e. t, Ile .thought Miniiters de. served the. thanks of the Country upon the energy ? L ey had ~hewn in !bele ; ifilt he thought evcry pradlieal , k , y. - ronity tilt old he taken to anguicut the Regular Corps, so .al to :And as lege d etO,poskie, p rSoldde this may, to a cer .- t,tbi he prcnnoted by means of the ptesen t Ile - allotted to the saw no r , ..ason why - those two, as receiving a certain stun t00 , ..y t enlisting, shoti:d not . be liable to to m,' pe,rev a igy as well as other Recruits,, who were paid fJr eineting into the St•rvice. Alter dwelling som e tune 0:1 this point, alluding to the interference of the toe,f,itirc with Aiir Rf.cruiting of the Line, and con tending, that such an enactment would be attended w : f h th e most dvsirablc conscquences, Miffs Royal Highness moved th,t same in the way of Ainent' to 1:ii• Cotte.ipinding Oath, as set forth iir 1!. e ., .'., to be taken by the Substitute. Otv the 01e- being rut, /1 1 :10,11,T,rwT, and in an argurnenntive vi,leyitiion•,, delivered 116 opinion agai nst t;t • proposition advanr.:ed by the Royal D u k e . yk C jji• tel l .lpttit.ttSqCll rea!) , L i te ag..lo b t the prit:eipl e of the 'Bill Ip!sides, he ;,7;1-,,idc r ed that the -i,ibstitute, under such circui t - 1 . titan e. 1 it ,s a,, suites a Volunteer ;IS any u; her man : : , ;;;invin,.nts,would, he observed, he taken For pro. co. ire .r an ad' lltate di4l,h;thle force"„ 1 ' 4:17r,/ uj "1:10//",I at %(;iite ieng(ll, deti yered hIF, 3 , , nil:1;1'1,r; 111,:r ~ , i vf.!; o f hi:, krir „,„,„, wen t i to yt., I, , art of i;l} it advrtneeTby r- ; ht pintyndel strenApi.ly for ti n . , Advantas ui alt tOicient cii4inhithie force even with a reference tahome der enee; he thought: the skeleton; of the Reglrents of the Line shoulti be filled as,speedily as possible, he seemed avetse: to the system of drafting, as it removed men from corps to which they had formed attachments t4.•".the, present was a period, the least of all others,* when, the feelings of these on whose services we mostre. lied, should be wounded ; he agreed with the Royal' Mike, that though such a provision mighbe duced into the 'Bill, it did not follow of necessity, that the men should be sent abroad. After arguing , these and other points arising from the same prin ciple, at some length, his Lordship declared, that should the Royal Duke think proper to divide the Committee, he should be supported by his Vote: Lord HO BAI T spoke in explanation, and said, that nothing will* had fallen from him, 'favoured the idea that a system of drafting was in contem plation: What .he said went to. indicate that arrangements for securing a large disposable force would be made. Lord MULGR APE, in a very , argumentative speech, supported the observations of the Noble Secretary of state. The effect of the Royal Duke's Proposition would be to propose a tax upon 11..)5e individuals who were ballotted 'for the defence of their Country--it would operate as a partial tax upon them. Home security was the first principle in contemplation in proposing this measure—until that was effeeted; he seemed to think distant opera. tions should not be projefted. He approved th e idea of considerably augmeriting the old,Corps of the Line, and this may, to, a certain extent, be. eventually done by means of the Bill ; but he was, adverse to the proposing that the Substitutes should enter for general service : he had the greatest tell, ante, in every point of view, either with a refc., tenee to a disposable force, when he, considered the nature of the English charaeter, or collie considera. t ion 'of home defence. The DUKE cf CUAIRERLAND spoke at some length in explanation : he was the last man who could entertain the'idea of forcing any man to go abroad, neither did he. 'wish that the ballot should be for general service. The Substitutes he con sidered as t»en pail, ea recruits, and, upon the whole, he'deemed it his duty to come forward with. the Amendment ; but on his perceiving the sense which the Committee seemed to entertain upon the point,. it was his intention to withdraw it. Lord Mtmottitve explained. The discussion hero became very desultory, anti was in some tespetis rather of an irregular nature. A number of Peers delivered their sentiments, and a great deal of what was said, turned upon point's of Order. The Earls ofCmt List. F, GROSVENOR, DARNLFY, CAMDEN, SPENCER, and SUM) LK, Lords PPLHAM, lionmyr, and the LORD CHANCELLOR were the Speakers; in the course of which the subjeft regularly before the Comtlittee, was in the opinion of some of their Lordships lost sight of, and frt. qnently speaking to order was the consequence. At length the question was regularly put as to the withdrawing of t h e Royal Duke's Amendment, which was assented to, and the remaining Clauses of the Bill were agreed to by the Committee. The House then resumed, and previous to the Report being made, The Earl of SUFFOLK made a few observations ds to the regular period fur his delivering his senti. meats upon the general subjeft. Lord muLGR4rE then, in pursuance of what had passed on a fOrmer,eveniog, moved that the Standing Orders. Nos. t 54, and les, which pro. hihit Bills, in certain circumstances, from going through two stages the same day, might be read ; the same, after some conversation between the Lord CH ANC EL Lott and his Lordship upon the subjct!t, were read accordingly. It appeared in the course of what took place, (as, we understood) that where no amendment was made by the Committee,. the report may regularly be con. sidered on the same day. The report el the Bill was received, and a verbal amendment was made thereon, on the motion, we believe, of Lord flonAttr. The operation of the Prohibitory Orders were then, on the motion of Lord MuLe a Aye, ordered to be suspended with. a reference - to the Scotch Ad. ditional Force Hill, which, as we could collect, W as proposed to be-read a third time to.moteow. • The Bills upon the Table were then forwarded in their respettive Stages, after which the "louse adjourned. verygonsiderabily diminished by the establish tn'et4 of 'Friendly Societies. These Societies bad `'of to a very great deg r e e -*ince the passing of ihe Aft relating to them. , There were not less than between 4 and 500,000 persons who were for merly indigent persons, who were now in point of fait Stock-holders. Another objea ,he had in view was this, that as in fad these Societies tended very much to diminish the Poor, That the Members when they became superannuated should receive a certain relief from the Parish. He concluded with moving for leave to bring in the Bill ; which was granted. Mr. Johnstone from the Office of the Chief Secre tary for Ireland, brought up some Accounts relative to the Salaries of Officers in Ireland. The House went into a Committee upon the East India Dock Bill. Mr. CALCRAFT proposed a Clause the objed of which was, instead of granting a perpetuity of ex. elusive privilege to the Proprietors, to grant it for' a limited period. This produced a short conversation between Sir F. BARING, Sit T. MSTCALF, and Lord HAIVILES. BURY, after which the Clause was agreed to, and the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow. Mr. BURTON rose, to move for leave to bring in a Bill to which he conceived there could be so lit. tle objection, that he should occupy • very little of the time of the House in stating the grounds of it. Its objeft was to afford the means of augmenting the Livings of the Poor Clergy, withciut laying any additional burthen upon the Public. It was to open a door to private liberality, which had been opened by the Statute of Queen Anne (the Statute relative to First Fruits and Tenths) but which had beep shut by what was called the last Mortmain AEI, the Statute of the 9th Geo. 11. by which,' restriction was laid upon charities of this kind. The necessity of adopting some measure for increasing the Salaries of the Poor Clergy, could not be disputed,.syhen it was known that there were very bear 6000 Livings in England under Sol. a.year. He concluded with moving for leave to bring in a Bill for this purpose, which was granted. A Message was received from the Lords, stating that their Lordships had agreed to the Additional Excise Duty Bill, and to some Private Bills. Their Lordships also requested that the Commons would transmit them the evidence upon which the Woollen Bill was passed ; which was ordered. Sir WM. Pu LTENEY moved for leave to bring in a bill fur the eration of a Lighthouse on the Bell Rock, in the Firth of Forth, in pursuance of the Report ef a Committee which had sat upon that subj:a. The SPEAKER said, that as the Repor t of that Committee had been ordered to he printed, but had not yet been delivered to the Members, the Hun, Baronet had better defer his Motion till the Report was delivered.—To which Sir \VM. Pur. - rstirtv assented. The Bill for raising an additional Force in Ire. land was ordered to be re.committcd on Wednesday. • The Irish Duty Bill went through a Committee, and the Report was ordered to be received to.mor. row, COMMITTEE OF WAYS AND MEANS. Mr. °CU RRY said, he had so fully explained on Saturday, the °lice} of the Motion he was now about to make, that it would be unnecessary to en. ter into further d?tail upon the subject. It had been already stated, that 'it was proposed to raise i n Ireland, a Loan of one Million, as pat t of th e Ways and Means of that Country : certin circumstances relating to the state of both Countries, with regard to the Money Market,rendered it necessary to make a provision, that in case of failure of raising 4 Loan in Ireland upon such terms as the Irish Governthent should think , fit to irropose for the approbation of Parliament, other means should he resorted to. It was with that view that he proposed that a power should be 'granted to the I.ord Lieutenant to raise upon Treasury Bills (which were similar to Excite. Auer this Country) the sum of one million, in case the Loan should nut be agreed upon.. It the Loan whs agreed upon, it might not be neceisary to have recourse to this authority to raise this sum. It was not his intention that these Bills should be sent into general circulation ; it was proposed that they should be lodged in the Bank of Ireland. He concluded with moving his Resolution, which was agreed to, and the Repots was ordered to be tea ceived to-morrow. Mr. HUTCHINSON gave notice that he should to. morrow movelor some Accounts relative to the Stock on hand of the Distillers. The Report of the Lottery Bill was brought up and agreed to. Th e Fi ve Millions Exchequer Bills Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time to.morrow. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and at half past Six o'clock the House adjourned till to.morrow. MUSE OF COMMONS, MONDAY, JULY 4, THE Royal Assent was given, by Commission, to the Tonnage Duty Bill, the Scotch- Road Bill, the Irish Shits Burning Bill, and several private Bills, • • A New Writ was ordered for the County of Worcester, in the room of the lion. EDW. FOLCY. deceased. Mr. Rost brought in a Bill NI enable the Friend. ly Skitties to cOrrea any Errors in the Register. ing their Rules. Read a first time—second time to. morrow. • M. von?, in purniance Of the notice he had given, moved_ for leave t o b r i ng i n a Bill for a Re. turn of the number of Poor Persons relieved in the different Parishes of England, and also an account of the Expence attending the. same. The objeet he had in view embraced three points: The first Poor, was to provid e f or t h e more efFeettial relief of the and the Maintenance of their F am ili es. A Bill had been brought in three years ago upon this sUbjen which had failed in its obje6t, because it endeavour. eel to do too touch. Fie had therefore endeavoured to 4irrylify the measure ; he thought the most efree tual means of relieving the Poor, would be to f in d them employment, to furnish them wi t h materials f'or labourLand to- infuSe into their minds a spirit of industry. This principle had been reduef'd topraOice in several places, particularly in the County of Lincoln, by which means the Chil dren were not truly attic to maintain themselves, bur very materially to contribute to the comfort 01 their pareuts. tie. then adverted to the means p )or .desettcd Children, and of employing them when the raily grow up, %Ida lie • wow,' - contribute - Very materially •rg the dimin9tion of the roor.rate 4 , w 1,40, bad, in fed, MAILS. DVS., Hamburg!) ..... . 11.1111V111). PRICE OF STOCKS, TIM DAY AT TWELvt Consols 53i Red. Ann. sti (tflnjum Dis. THE SU N. suLgat QUIS oicata rALived •unt•-r LONDON, JULY s e 1803. W E received this morning the Afoititeurs to the zd inst. They contain a very long and a very pompous account of the Fete and Illuminations which took place at Am;enr, in honour of the Cut t F Cf)N‘V L. The Inscriptions upon the Triumphal Arches, the designs on the various Transparencie.4, were all ex. pressive of the most atittlition to the First Consul, .endof the most raneotono hostility. against En/and, Upon the door' of t) Morel the pr e fettute ye:is a transparency, rvresenting the Vessel cf the Republic in full a Star a p. 0 - vd in a p.)int of the Iv4i;ort waii t,ltt Star Of RCN AT .UTZ, tru this insa:; JO i t ligkeni and dirtiis Fran e." Upon the house 0 Citi2,en GRENIER was a Latin inscription, statinl that the whole World had proclaimed BONArmt.TI to be a great Hero, but that to France he was Tutelary Deity.—Upon another house was the fut lowing inscription —Franc e loves him, Enzlok4 fear.; him, and the Universe admires him. Aroth% transparency contained the following quotilio from HORACE : • Pmstns divus habebitu: Auguitus, adjedis Britannia Iruperio. Another house displayed the following irocriP tion: The God ofilVar is become the God of Atli; it is the wish of Lis liberal and magnanimoso Upon the Tricoloured Flag of a Vessel on chi River was - Inscribed, A good wind, and 'thiill. six bourt, &e. &c. &c. •. The Itloniteur complains very bitterly of to capture of the French Fishing Vessels, whichil termed an ail of piracy worthy of the BarbariSM of the Norilid It states that ten of those yea ° belonging to Boulogne, and four belangingtil Calais, each worth from $ to 600 lifto and having on board 157 men, have been , nlte4o taken.. But the illoniteur very ptudently oAtits state, that these poor innocent Fishermen, w lO , suffered by the liberality of England to pursue 1 11 # occupation in safety, occasionally amused IN* selves by capturing any defenceless English fag , that fell in their way. The Departments of France seem to vie Wig each other in voting Money for the constratior Ships of I •Var ; and innumerable Addresses are KO ing in from all quarters to the First Consul. 7. Letters from Milan state, that a Division of chi French Army has entered the Neapolitan Territorp The French Funds continue to rise—they sif go- 35. TH Vitt are none who observe with more,concetlt than ourselves that Lethargy which still subsist" : throughout the Nation, so little suited to our rear situation. Wherever any little exertion is made it is eagerly communicated to the Minister, and it ero , roncously looked opon as a specimen of general at. door and alacrity, We shall really be ashamed of our Countrymen, if we do not sec them more 0. 0 .. to their true interests. Do they doubt the insre': terate hostility of the Fl RT CONIIUL of France Of: US ? D o t h ey d ou b t t h at w hil e we are asleep r. lll :, is aftively engaged in maturing his plan for our Sub 4 jugation and Disgrace ? They cannot - doubt rho , : things, and yet with all this before their eyes, Iftl., dangerous torpor of which we have spoken Ville vails ; and We see no adequate-means ettip l ior4: rouze the People from their disgraceful' ails lll / indifference. Look at t h e R e i gn o f Queen ELIZABETH, and f w o i r l t i n c e h r .s p h e o r b io id ds of our History when we were Orel ° I . encd, as we are now , with Invasion There A general emulation in all tanks of people strie ti ll vation of t h e itselfCtin e s w tit of the Country the Rich gave bounties fut. 111 .1 , levy of men, and t he P oo r in n umbers volutiteet :: u tio a, m a o n s a t e t a o g e e r n s f u o r r e t I s t i e i pl at e' ei s if their services--all was spirit and anirnation: with we raw some symptoms of the same fatri °l - 1.! : : -feeling now-..never was there a Sovereign upon Throne more justly beloved than His present , A . 1 1 1114 ' jISTY4II-11eVer had People more cause to be' attSw -- -4. , : pine — en y t et tha ti n i :li N at at w io it o b f^ar we shall sec mute t ig m til.. tions for the repea l o f T axes, than Addressee rJ the prosecution of the War. But do Mini s ter s rea lly see an d represen t set situation in its true light ? We do not want tlO, to alarm the Country, but we want them to Sil ti us our real danger as it is, neither diminished... exaggerated. With precaution, with foresile. with determination, that danger is nothing--wit h ': out these, it is imminent indeed. In times like 11/41, .;;' present, they should of their own accord bring ward measures of vigour and energy, not loci t` ; most precious moments, and wait till such plartill: suggestell by others. If Mr. PITT had been Ml stet., we are convinced that the Bill for the defer of the Country would have passed and the measure itself would have been ecuted by ; this time--perhaps even now with° ..;: his aid and assistance it would not have been posed at all. If Ministers fear the unpopulatiti v . : those m easures ' w hi c h our present c i rcutns tances d mand for the genera] safety, until they see others are disposed to share the odium wi.th tlpt they cannot fulfil their duty to the Country fine weather and in calm seas any man may • a the ve s s e l, b ut i n the dif fi cult navigation, a n - 00 ' the tempt-51, the mast experienced and the re a t° skilful sho u ld b e pl ace d at the h elm. We t 0 loss to ace not for the exclusion of the g re r' i raknrss the best experience, and the soundo r dom from the Cou nc il s c f H is MAI IISTY at 9° cr.l