The Sun. — London, England, 1844-07-02 00:00:00

JUSTICE TO IRELAND. GREAT MEETING IN COVENT GARDEN. Mr. T. DUITCOIO33I9, M.P. (in continuation from our Afternoon Valens of yesterday), said—He hoped they would unani loons!), adopt the resolution.--("We will.") If so, he felt con fident that there was not a single enlightened constituency in England which Would not follow such a noble example, and if it were so fellowed the release of Mr. O'Connell and his fellow-prisoners would be certain, and they would even tuilly.pcure to the Irish people that that j ustice would be done tnem which ha hoped they would never cease to require. Mr. StliaCteil Halt roß D seconded the resoluti on. He bad been told that morning that he must net come there to-day, because it would not be a respectable meeting. He ..void ask any one who saw th em assembled there if such a body of ns as he saw there assembled before him were le or not ?—(Hear, hear.) He was glad to see a ineet*g so numerous - and so respectable assembled to assist Cheri int vindicating their .rights.—(Cheers.) If they did not vindicate the rights of others, let them look to their own, or the unconstitutional principles which were tow adopted in Ireland would soon be adopted here.—(Loud c h e ese.) As an Englishman he had a lwa y s felt dee p sym pathy for Ireland, and he was prepared to come forward and vindicate the rights of that country as willingly aa he tiould those of his own.—(Cries of Hear, hear.") lie was grare there were others better qualified to address them on the subject of Ireland, but, as an inhabitant of Westminster, he could not refuse himself the satisfaction of conning forward to second this resolution.—(Cheers.) He hoped this was only the beginning of a demenstration which would extend to every part of England, Scotland, and Ireland, and would show that the ~people were determined tot to be trampled under foot by any class whatever. It was absurd to expect that t he Members of Parliament would stand up for the rights of the people unless the people told them, in language that could not be misunderstood, that each was their duty, and that they expected them to per- form it.—(Loud cheers.) He hoped that in a short time , they would effect the liberation of Mr. O'Connell and his friends, who were the victims of an act of extraordinary tyranny.—(Loud cheers.) He would not detain than longer, bat would content himself with saying that there "was no one more attached to the cause of civil and re ligious liberty that: himself, and he should as an humble instru ment be always ready to raise his voice in favour of the people whenever he could•be of the slightest use to them.—(Cheers.) The Bear BAILIFF said, that Colonel Rawdon, ALP. for the City of Armagh, in Ireland, was desirous to address the meeting in support of the resolution. Colonel Rawnost, who was received with vehement cheer sag, said, that he was not in the habit of taking any share in the political proceedings of the City of Westminster, but he attended here this day,..as an elector of this city, to protest with bits fellow-citizens against an attack which had been made upon the Constitution.—(Cheers.) He was also here as one of the representatives of the Irish people, calling on the peeple. of England to express to the Government of this country their sense of the insult which had been Inflicted upon Ireland.—(Great cheering.) He would here emphatically state to the meeting, that trial by jury had been tampered with—(Renewed cheering)—and nowhere was it better known than in this city of Westminster. Now great were the benefits which arose from that institution. The electors of Westminster knew, and had often proved, that trial by jury was the bulwark of their liberties—he would not say of their lis'es, for he knew that they agreed with him in valuing more their liberties than their lives. He had told Clem that the constitution had been invaded, and he would tell them why ?Magna Charta, of which every Englishman had heard and was justly proud, enacted that by the right of trial by jury it was meant that every Englishman should be tried by his equals. That was the opinion of an eminent lawyer, 3edge Blackstone. Magna Charts stated farther that no Dian eliould be imprisoned without a lawful judgment, and equal justice should be done to every man. He believed that this provision of Magna Charta was confirmed by the Bill of Bights; and he now stated in the presence of the English prose, and in 'that great meeting , that the Bill of Ri g hts had been invaded. It stated most expressly that juries should be duly empannelled and returned.—(Cheers.) Now, the Lord tleyor and citizens of Dublin, and numerous other bodies, bad petitioned the House of Commons, and complained (he I allayed with justice) that the jury had not been properly empannelled.—(Cheers.) He thought it was so, and he believed that all the meeting thought so too.—(Cheers.) Was be not right then in saving that the Bill of Rights had been invaded ?—(Cheers.) Well, then, they knew that this might be only the first step.—(Hear, hear.) But it was in the power of the 'constituency of England to put a stop to the inroads upon the Constitution.—(Renewed cheering.) He 'as convinced of this as much as of any fact recorded in his tory, that the liberties of this country were maintained by, end "were based upon, free discussion.—(Hear, hear.) But there had been in. Ireland an attempt to suppress free discus eion, and it was for that meeting, and meetings like it, to say whether the same thing should not be done shortly here.— ( Loud cries of " No, no—never more," and vehement eaeering.) There had been a new construction of the law of conspiracy-'-in fact, it was as much a new law • A new eqnstruction of the law. He did not know but t iat y that new -law the Government might not make It Mnonrable Friend, the Member for Finsbury, as ;Jest a conspirator as Daniel O'Connell.—(Great cheering ..end laughter.) That was the fact ; for, mind, if they took hillmeeting, and put to that the dinner which he (Mr. Duncoinbe) attended the other day, not far from this market, tied on the name subject — (Laughter) — a nd if the y were to • ' se t this meeting and that speech, and one dinner and another laugh)— ' they might, under their new law, make very good case of conspiracy—(Cheers and great 1 4) " . j—and the Hon. Member for Finsbury might be in- I sughte? d imprisoned. He knew that the people of dieted England wel*.ajust, and that the people of Westminster were re-eminently :atelligent, and no attack upon liberty could lie made without their protesting against it, in this place— ( Cov'ant-garden MatSitet)—and they were assembled here now to protest against an. encroachment on the trial by jury.— Her}. It might be proper for him to allude shortly to one 111:mewl:deb was introduced into the resolution—he meant that of Daniel O'Connell.—(lmmense and long-continued c heeriugs with waving of hats and handkerchiefs for several He (Col. R.) wished to tell the meeting that he -.vas no folloWer of Mr. O'Connell's. He did not belong to Its had no party, bUt his country.—(Hear, hear). (At this time a gen tl e man, who was stated to be " Captain .A.ckerley " had - procured some stool or c hair u p on which he 'elevated 'himself close to the hustings, and addressed the rneeting in so vociferous a manner, as to drown the voice of she gallant Colonel. He paid no regard to the indignant tries of " Shame, shame—off, off," with which he was assailed srom all parts of the meeting. At length, by a sudden rush the enraged.crowd,.the captain and his rostrum were over -"turned together, and the eccentric orator, it would seem, put completely hers de combat, for he did not again present him melf to the meeting. Order being restored) — Colonel RAWDpN 'proceeded.. The country, and, indeed, anankind 'were under a deep debt of gratitude to Mr. ,t)'Oc.tinell;seho:had ever advocated the rights of freemen, what esveetheir colour or religion might be—(Cheering)—and were -they, now that he was in prison, to hesitate in coming Jorwardia cause ?—,Cheers.) It was because he was in v i e ws_ that : he (Colonel Rawdon) raised his voice in his ;favour. He had never done so before. But as a Member of Xarliament-e-a represeistative of the Irish people—and also as an enactor of the great city of Westminster, ho should be asliansed of himself if he did not denounce the unconstitu tional proceedings of the Government.—(Cheers.) Sir T. -Wilde, a lawyer, of whom they had all heard, defended the . at .dtation for which Mr. O'Connell was imprisoned, and he d er (led it • itpon the ground that no redress of grievances was e'var obtained without agitation.—(Elear, hear.) It was for that,. 'reason they were . assembled here this day, ' to agitate .0:K1 • discuss :. their grievances, and to send pe titop to, the Jiouso of Commons. He thanked them f o; the .• manner which they had heard him ; and he con .rratulated the.conntry, upon the generous sympathy which `had_ b een ev ince s , ' fir the oppressed in Ireland, which would ,do much to produce harmony between the two countries. — (Hear, hear.) Let them not istop to see What had been ;done in Ireland repeated in' England ; but if they 'were not both Watchful . and energetic that would be done.— (The Gallant Colonel retired amidst loud and repeated cheers) • The resolution was then put, and carried by acclamations 'salad and long continued. veh. . Dzytaveas. ;tlate Member for Cheshire, came for- Mr. stove the next. resolution, which was, that a peti ward' to . ton founca eei. on .resolution esolution just agreed to be Parliament. • He thought that the presented t d.a s a more especially the constituency of West whole =TAM a" se great obligations to the distinguished eainster, were track. for Finsbury, for having directed the and - PatriPtic . A teln i a this city to points, which for some attention. of the electors . esuao, or otherAtim _., bee , su. arered i _to sink into apathetic desue at ha d es st al ways been so. Some years tude. e -dear. Th of the Government as they ago such don ct on the part were novtassetamed to am ad er e aould have . kindled a flame in Westnainster • that • would hsYO aroused the whole country.. The Most distinguished ma , rt in Ireland had been *objected to imprisonment at the ,very lime when .a writ of e.nor was pending• which mightedeclare hint innocent; and we scarcely r e covered from our suspense at t h is when we disco 'voted that the Government was reading our letters in the 1;;i so tne.--(Cheers,) As far as the petition went, he WAS extremely good, and he felt extremely thought in being called on to propose it. But he ur g ed -the meetillg not to think that by t his petition they honouredwould eltrikesat tt‘e root of_ the evil. There were two mach ines of ae gi ebtOen;:itta. they might as well petition the two ha nd s .ola Watch-to set the works right as petition those machines -t cure the eviie. of Government. They had themselves the tract} n ow ; of those machines, and if they had made for.t h arnsa freaa bed of thorns they must lie on it.-(Cheers, am:Aeries of True, trite.") The only way, as we under stood the Hon. Gentleman, to obtain a redress of grievances • ween;thei'theuseseple eheuld ,properli exercise their power of ' eleotakfittillil WS of CommODS. e concluded by moving e s liat the petitien'be adopted as that of the meeting. lit'Ltoo. In aeconding the motion, said that the last t in t\ e he had thipleasure ofineeting his brother electors in that -oleos* was on the occasion when Sir F. Burdett was defeated. r i ,lncis was now...in his grave, and they might let his faults e Zeep with him.—(Hear, hear.) But he (fir. M'Leod) never Sidi 80 much-p l easure in coining before them as he did in the cense. of Mr. O'Coneell, a man who deserved so much conntrfe , and who had committed :no offence, and b ro ken les ‘law;---(Hear.) , The very judge that sentenced Nal shed tea:* whilst he pronounced the will of the Court, obeerved that , the most remarkable part of Mr. an clannell's conduat was his constant amid successful endea ,.6ure-- to preserve the peace and prevent disturbance. Well, that m ight be Irish lays--to send a man to prison for keeping the peac..l.-<Lanithtt4') would they let him out soon if h e i a e owius ?- h , -(he ers and laughter.) It was ncased 'kick up d agg er:ass thing for Epg n.ento look on quietly at such thin (Chtaers..); The Goeeransent,who had acted so in Ireland, would send every man in that meeting to p r i son . -- they , d are d. "(Cheers.) In seeking the redress of rievances , the p ‘ Vple had no right to destroy property, to be riotous , O r to .Commitdepredations upon each other ; had.a right .to meet in thousands and tens of but they se at 2iament forredrees.—(Cheers.) He thousands to petition a a e and Scotland had been too remiss was eaLisfied that Engle rescreeingjustice done' to Ireland, and that they would I suffer for their retnissnessomlese they came forward now and juetice done to you, when said. to Ireland " We will al ; h of me sent to we see the most just, wise, c 1 riedn."—(" lleari hear," and cLeers umane .) For his n part he (Dlr. ; Mood) declared, as a Scotchwan, that if justice were .notapeedily done to Mr. O'Connell and. tho people of Ireland, _she himself would become a repealer.—(tereat cheering.) Andeed he was .not certain how far he mighti g? yet.—(A. Algigh.) - At first he had a drop of the Whig pewit in his Irnelititat coustitutionA laugh)—then he became iCAI d now he wa.4 happy to say that lie was a sthoseegh Chartist • and if the Government in went h on own in • AU. ;,Mole-:: ma nner; he must . go on is Toroineseualziee repealer--(Cheers and laughter.) He was • mauled Stebefiere that Lord Howick was going on the same road with fe„,„,, him self,' e and h e thought that Lord. John Russell won ms-O;YerP-dong`,Mar-cli behind them, if he had laettt love Cae yr. 4 , --(Meer* and laughter.) He had never 64911 algariab " me " ificent a meeting as the present. .nor,riea,ceinatere orderly, H e was proud of that, for no . th i l uA Would the eneriA.4 o f the people desire more than to see I. l( 3 tlng. "if we were s o " said " they _ would drink Ont.he,,lth and bad luck to nit." ---(A laugh). H e concluded by s ewn : 'V I K the resolution, and 'reading the petition , whi ch . was adar cv. Tianip?owity, amidst the most enthasiastio cheering. • - - - Mr. F. O'Comeon then rose and addressed the meeting as Irishmen, Englishmen, and S c otchmen. The resolution which he had to propose was big with importance. It was that the petition they had just adopted be presented by that vene rable and patriotic Nobleman, the Earl of Radnor, to the House of Peers ; and by Thomas Slingsby Duncombe, Esq., to the House of Commons. He was not sure th kt on that day he could have been' able to stand before them ; but on an important occasion like that he could not resi the temp tation of having a flying shot at corruption.—(Laughter and cheers.) It was said, and said truly, that when bad men conspired, good men united.—(Continsted cheers.) So it was then. Bad men in that country, as well as in Ireland had conspired against the liberties of the people. They had tried to confine within improper limits the time-honoured liberty of free discussion.—(Cheers.) They were there met that day to demand justice, as well as to preserve a sacred right. No doubt their present spy Go vernment thought that by their oppressive application of a bad law to Ireland, they might in time communicate the same to England also.—(Cries of "No, no.") Ireland had been now persecuted for upwards of seven centuries. This day (some of them might be aware of the fact) was the an niversary of the battle of the Boyne. " July the first, in Oldbridge town There was a famous battle, And many a man lay on the ground Amid the cannons rattle." They were there that day to declare that the Irish people had recognised a great principle—(Cheers)—promulgated by their great leader, and they were there also to express their opinion that when that leader was imprisoned within the walls of the Richmond Penitentiary, it wa.s not only an insult to the people of Ireland, but to those in that country also who recognised the same principle. They had read in the daily papers of the disgraceful tampering with the jury list; of the impediments thrown in the way of the traversers' counsel; and they had read also the charge of the Chief Justice.— (Cries of " Oh, oh.") Yet, notwithstanding all these efforts to crush and destroy the spirit of liberty in that country, it had arisen, and would further rise, in spite of all opposition. —(Great cheering.) Many Irishmen had been trans ported for lees (offences they were called) than that they were then committing ; many Irishmen were then strangers from the land of their birth for less than that. And he (Mr. O'Connor), for one, if marked for transportation to-morrow for a similar offence, would still discuss the advantages of a sepa rate Legislature for Ireland.—(Cheers.) - They would ulti mately be able to achieve that great object. If they followed the maxim of their incarcerated leader—if they remained tranquil they would assuredly beat the " Iron Duke," and Sir James Letterbox into the bargain.—(Great laughter, and cheers.) The very judge who had passed sentence upon Mr. O'Connell said that he and he only had preserved the peace of Ireland.—(lmmense cheers.) It was an event in the history of the times to see Englishmen, Irishmen, and Scotchmen meeting . there that day, and uniting as one man in denouncing the wrongs that had been inflicted on Mr. O'Connell. And why were these wrongs inflicted? Day after day the Legislature were repealing Acts of Par liament standing in the way of their own licentiousness, and was it more difficult to repeal the union than any other Act? It had been well said by gentlemen " that three millions of, Irish slaves could rivet Eng land's chains," and now they had four millions of those very slaves. He (Mr. O'Connor) doubted much if Mr. O'Connell would receive with pleasure an account of the proceedings of that day, if some expression of faith in the principles he had so long and so con sistently advocated, did not accompany that account. He believed that if Westminster that day expressed itself in favour of repeal, that neither Sirß. Peel nor Sir James Fouche —(Laughter)—would dare to carry their war further into Ireland.—(Cheers.) He had never attended a meeting with greater pride or pleasure than he had that ; but one thing he would request of them. When Mr. Smith O'Brien was addressing the persons met in the Conciliation Hall in Dublin, he said that one petition " wanted the principal merit, because it did not speak of the repeal of the union." Let them not forget to speak of it. He had to announce that a meeting would be held that evening in another place to petition Parliament in time for Mr. Duncombe to present it on the morrow, not to allow Sir James Graham to open all their letters.—(Great cheering, and loud cries of " Shame, shame.") He would remind them that every fortifica tion was defended by its little bastions, and if they wished to overturn the great citadel of corruption, they must first sap the little bastions. They ought to look upon Ireland and repeal as man and wife, and to say with holy writ, " What God hath joined together let no tyrant put asunder." He would again remind them that his resolution was to the effect that Lord Radnor should present their peti tion in the Lords, and that Mr. Duncombe, the Member for all England—(Cheering)—should do the same in the Commons. In conclusion he would merely say that after this resolution was disposed of, an address to Mr. O'Connell would be sub mitted to them, which if they heard, would, he had no doubt, raise—as an Irish saying had it—the very cockles of their heart with ecstasy.—(Great cheering.) The Rev. Dr. WADE said that he had for twenty years attended meetings in Covent-garden, but never had he with more pleasure than on that occasion risen to address a few words to the audience. He had never seen a larger or a more respectable assemblage, and they conducted themselves with the propriety to be expected from the friends of justice, of good order, liberty, and humanity.— (Great cheering.) He only wished that that great man O'Connell himself was there present to see them. It would do his heart good. 23ut although he was not there with them that day, if they but put their shoulders manfully to the wheel of liberty they would soon see his face and that of the other traversers among them. They would hear their voices discussing and advocating the principles ofliberty all over the world.—(Great cheering.) He (ilr. Wade) appeared on that platform more particularly in his character of a clergyman of the Church of England, yes; and a beneficed clergyman too—(Laughter) — and he was neither cautious nor afraid to pay his tribute of respect to his fellow-clergymen of the Roman Catholic Church.—(Great cheers.) Mr. O'Connell had laid down a rule of action excellent in the highest degree—namely, moral in opposition to physical force. That line of conduct did much credit to the clergy of the Catho lic Church and to him. The Roman Catholic clergy had set a noble example, and he was proud to see that one of them, Dr. M'Ghee, was on that platform.—(Great cheering.) Ile was glad to hear that in the churches of Ireland prayers were offered for Mr. O'Connell and the other traversers. He trusted the meeting would join with him in a similar duty. The Rev. Gentleman then, in a very expressive man ner said, may our hearty sympathy be with our fellow-men, the millions of Ireland, and may God Almighty, who is the God of nations as well as of individuals, free them (the traversers) from their present situation, and hold them up as martyrs for our good example. The resolution was then put and carried amidst acclama tions. Mr. O'CoNssou then moved and read a long address to Mr. O'Connell. It was written upon vellum, and was surrounded by a beautiful illuminated border in scroll, or rather arabesque, representing the shamrock, its stem, leaves, and flower entwined. The manuscript is surmounted by a neat drawing of the ancient harp of Ireland, and another ancient harp of a somewhat different form was placed at the bottom of the page. The address was couched in the most laudatory terms, and expressed the gratification of the meeting at the humiliating position of the Government, and the glorious height to which Mr. O'Connell had raised his country. The address was seconded by Mr. WHEELER, and was car ried unanimously. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE then said that it was hardly ne cessary for him to assure the meeting, that if honoured with the presentation of their petition to the House of Commons, he would ''do it with the greatest plea sure. He could not, however, help expressing his regret that neither of the Honourable Members for the City of Westminster were there—(Cries of " Shame on them ")—to receive the petition from their hands. But in that business he would act as their organ in the House of Commonsr. He should have great pride in doing so ' as it would in fact be only fulfilling a pledge he had given to Mr. O'Connell at a dinner given to that gentleman at a theatre not far distant. He (Mr. Duncombe) theh said that in the event of Mr. O'Connell being imprisoned, the people of England would rise in their thousands, and force a venial Government to set him at liberty. He was glad to see that the city of Westminster had that day risen in fulfilment of his pledge, and he hoped that the enthusiasm would soon become national.— (Cheers.) He begged to propose a vote of thanks to the High Bailiff of Westminster for his courteous and admirable conduct in the chair. The motion was seconded by Dr. AVGHEE. The Hum BAILIFF returned thanks, and said, that as long as be was honoured with the situation he held, he should have no hesitation in calling frequent meetings, if all con ducted themselves in the same orderly manner as they had done that day. The meeting then, after three hearty cheers for Mr. O'Con nell and repeal, and for the High Bailiff, separated in the most quiet manner. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. (YESTERDAY.) Q UEEN-SQ UARE. An elderly person, named Mrs. Moore, who resides in Park row, Bayswater, stepped into the witness-box, and said she had an application to make ; and on being requested by Mr. Bond to state the nature of it, she proceeded to do so is an emphatic and eccentric manner. She said, a person had let her the house in which she lived, and in which he occupied rooms. The other day he came to her bed-room, and in a threatening tone demanded admis sion, which she refused. He then said he should make her a prisoner, and tied the door with a rope to the bannisters. He also threatened to cut off her head. with a razor which, she believed, he had in his hand; and he had repeatedly threat ened to put a distress on her goods for rent, although she had offered to pay him every farthing she owed, and offered to do so if he would give her a receipt for the amount. In short, she had been so annoyed and harassed by this person, that she feared her life was in danger; and on these grounds she earnestly begged the protection of the Magistrate. During the time the complainant was making this state ment, which she did with great volubility, the Court was convulsed with laughter. Mr. BOND, who had, during Mrs. Moore's address, evinced great impatience, from her rambling incoherent expressions, told her that he could not interfere in the matter unless he really believed her life was in danger ; her only re medy was by an action at law. She had. better apply to e a solicitor.' c o mplainant—Can you recommend .me one, Sir ? Mr. Itcom smiled and shook his head. The complainant then left the Court. MARYLEBONE. - - Two men, named Peake and Arthur, attired in the garb of were placed Mr. at the bar before Long, chargedwo ng men, with s tealing a hat and a handkerchief from Quelch, an elderly person, who stated that he was clerk to a coal-merchant in Camden -town. From the statement of the prosecutor and other per sons, it appeared that Mr. Quelch, who was slightly the was proceedng along the St: Pan worse for liquor, cras-road, towards King's-cross, about twelve o'clock on Saturday night, when the prisoners, who were stran gers to him, came up and endeavoured to enter into conversation with him, and there were no other persons in sight at the time. The prosecu tor increased his speed to wards the toll-gate, as his suspicions were aroused ; he had only proceeded a few paces, when Peake placed his hands on one of the prosecutor's trousers pockets, no doubt for the purpose of ascertaining what money he had, and of robbing him. Mr. Quelch asked him what he meant by such con duct, but Peake made no reply. Shortly afterwards Peake snatched a new hat from his head, at the same time throwing an old one to him, and placing the stolen hat on Arthur's heard, who, with Peake, immediately ran away, but were fol lowed, and after a smart pursuit secured and conveyed to the station•house, where the hat, in which there was a handker chief, was found on Arthur's head. . The prisoners, who had nothing to say c ommitted for trial. to the charge, were GORMANDISING EXTRAORDINARY. -- The other week, a person resident in Walton, with a stomach of no ordinary capabilities, undertook for a wager to eat three pounds of bacon, and drink four bottles of ginger -beer, and two quarts of buttermilk, which he performed to the great astonishment of a numerous assembly of spectators.--Lan caster Guardian. THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY.,EVENING, JULY 2, 1844 IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, July 1. Their Lordships assembled at Five o'clock. The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL presented a number of petitions from Ireland against the Dissenters' Cha pels Bill. PRIVATE BILLS. _ . The Duke of RICHMOND complained of the renewal, this session, of the practice of canvassing Peers on the subject of private Bills. He thought they ought to adopt a resolution upon ,the subject, condemnatory of the practice. Lord BROUGHAM was glad his Noble Friend had alluded to the subject. He thought it was an insult to a Peer to be canvassed on a private Bill. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY said he fully concurred in what had fallen from the Noble Duke. Lord CAMPBELL thought parties might be allowed to send circulars stating the nature of their claims. The Earl of WICKLOW thought it an insult to any Peer who was canvassed on the subject of a private Bill—The subject then dropped. PENAL ACTS. In answer to a question from Lord BEAUMONT, The LORD CHANCELLOR said he should proceed with the Penal Law Amendment Bill as soon possible. PARTY PROCESSIONS IN IRELAND. In answer to a question from Lord MONTEAGLE, The Duke of WELLINGTON said it was the inten tion of the Government to renew the Bill for the sup pression of party processions in Ireland. Lord ABINGER presented a petition in favour of the Colchester and Harwich Railway. Several petitions were presented against the Dissen ters' Chapels Bill. SUGAR DUTIES BILL. The Earl of DALHOUSIE rose to move the second reading of this Bill. He felt that he would not be justi fied in taking the discussion on the Bill to-night, as many Noble Lords had left the House with the under standing that the discussion would come on, on the third reading to-morrow. After a few words from Lord BROUGHAM, the Bill was read a second time, passed through Committee, and the third reading ordered for to-morrow. LIBEL BILL. In answer to a question from the LORD CHAN CELLOR, Lord CAMPBELL said he should move the third reading of this Bill at five o'clock to-morrow (this day). APPELLATE JURISDICTION BILL. Lord BROUGHAM moved the committal of this Bill pro forma, and in doing so took occasion to contradict the statement which had been put forth to the public, that he had brought forward the Bill to provide an office for himself. After a few words from the Bishop of LONDON and the LORD CHANCELLOR, the Bill was committed pro forma. BISHOPRICS OF ST. ASAPH AND BANGOR. _ _ The Earl of POWIS moved the third reading of this Bill. Lord VIVIAN said he had just returned from North Wales, and he knew that the inhabitants of that part of the country cared very little whether the union of these sees were maintained or not. They, however, had a strong feeling as to the appropriation of the funds of those bishoprics to the establishment of a bishopric in such a rich place as Manchester. The Bishop of BANGOR denied that the feeling of the inhabitants of North Wales was against the repeal of the union of these bishoprics. He trusted their Lordships would not negative their fornSer decision. The Duke of WELLINGTON said this Bill with drew the foundation from all those measures which had heen adopted upon the recommendation of the Ecclesias tical Commissioners, upon which recommendation the union of the sees of St. Asaph and Bangor had been proposed. He had stated. on a former occasion, that he had not received her Majesty's sanction to this Bill. This Bill touched the prerogative of the Crown, and he recommended to their Lordships' consideration the ex pediency of passing such a measure. It was a measure too which very materially affected the revenues of the Church. He felt, that if — their Lordships were to fully consider this subject, they would see that they were establishing a dangerous precedent, inasmuch as hitherto it had always been a rule of Parliament, that no Bill which affected the royal prerogative should be passed without the consent of the Crown having been first ob tained. He would only say, that if they allowed the third reading of this Bill, their Lordships must take the re sponsibility. Lord MONTEAGLE repeated his former suggestion that to provide more largely for the spiritual condition of the working classes in North Wales would do more good to religion itself than the restoration of the bishoprics oSt. Asaph and Bangor. If they passed this Bill, how could they resist an application to dis solve the union which had already taken place between the bishoprics of Bristol and Gloucester? He moved that this Bill be read that day six months. The LORD . CHANCELLOR thought he had no power to put the question, seeing that this was a Bill affecting the prerogative of the Crown. He would suggest that a Committee be appointed to search for precedents. Lord BROUGHAM did not see how the disunion of these sees could damnify the interests of the Crown, seeing that in the case of two bishoprics the Crown had a greater chance of receiving the temporalities than in the case of one. The Duke of WELLINGTON explained. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE hoped their Lord ships would acquiesce in the suggestion which had been made by the Noble Lord on the Woolsack. The Duke of RICHMOND would support the third reading of this Bill. He believed that if they were to search the precedents they would not find that a Bill had ever been rejected because it had not first received the sanction of the Crown. Lord LYTTELTON apprehended that there was no difference between this case and the case of the bishopric of Sodor and Man, and in that case the consent of the Crown was not first given. The Earl of RIPON said that in that case there was no disposal of the revenues of the diocese. The Duke of WELLINGTON said that in the case of the bishopric of Sodor and Man the power of the Queen making au order in Council was not interfered with ; in the present case it was. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE thought a Com mittee should be appointed. Lord COTTENHAM thought the case of the bishopric of Sodor and Man was a case in point, and ought to be taken as a precedent. Lord CAMPBELL said that many cases had occurred in the other House of Parliament in which the Speaker had refused to put the question on the reading of a Bill, because the consent of the Crown to that Bill had not been previously obtained. Lord VIVIAN thought the amendment, that the Bill be read that day six months, might be put, and if carried that would get rid of the difficulty. Lord KENYON thought the opinion of their Lord ships ought to be taken upon the merits of the Bill. Viscount CANTERBURY thought the suggestion of his Noble Friend on the Woolsack deserved the most serious attention of their Lordships, and was one which ought to be adopted. The Duke of NEWCASTLE could not see why the Noble and Learned Lord on the woolsack could not put the question on the third reading of this Bill as well as on the second. He thought the Noble and Learned Lord on the woolsack had been guilty of an unworthy manceuvre to get rid of this Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR said he had found him- self in considerable difficulty in putting the question, and he had, therefore, appealed to the House; but he had been guilty of no manoeuvre. The Duke of NEWCASTLE disclaimed any intention of being disrespectful to the Noble and Learned Lord. After a few words from Lord CANTERBURY and the Duke of WELLINGTON. The Earl of POWIS replied. Lord CANTERBURY moved that the debate be ad journed. Strangers were then ordered to . withdraw, but no divi sion took place. The third reading was postponed, and the question of prerogative referred to a Select Com mittee.—The House then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 1. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. Mr. MAURICE O'CONNELL presented 39 petitions from different parts. of Ireland, praying for a repeal of the union ; 22 petitions from different parts of Ireland against the renewal of the Bank Charter ; and 39 pea tions from various parts of Ireland, signed by 49,984 individuals, against the County Registration Bill, com monly called Lord Eliot's Bill. Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from Pimlico against the practice of intermural interments. The Earl of HILLSBOROUGH presented a petition from the County Down, in favour of the legalisation of . Presbyterian Marriages in Ireland. Mr. ROEBUCK moved that the petition of the Rev. D. Dobree, Rector of the parish of Forest Testeval, in the island of Guernsey, presented June 28, be printed with the Votes.—Ordered. Lord HENNIKER presented a petition from the' Suffolk Agricultural Protection Society against certain clauses of the Bank Charter Bill. Mr. S. WORTLEY presented a petition from the manufacturing operatives of York against the truck system ; also, four petitions from Gisborne and other places against any alteration in the corn-laws. Mr. MUNTZ presented a petition from the Birming ham and Gloucester Railway Company against Mr., Gladstone's Railway Bill. Mr. M. PHILIPS presented a petition from the savings' banks of Manchester, complaining of the reduc tion of interest on savings' banks deposits to V. 15s. per cent. per annum ; also a petition from the Birmingham. and Manchester Railway Company against the Govern ment Railway Bill. NOTICES OF MOTION—DUTY ON TOBACCO. Dr. BOWRING gave notice that he would put a ques tion to the Government to-morrow, with regard to the alleged intention of the Belgian Government to place a differential duty on the importation of tobacco, to the prejudice of British interests. The Customs Duties (Isle of Man) Bill passed through Committee. Sir G. CLERK presented a petition from the letter press printers of Glasgow against working on the Sunday. The order of the day for going into Committee on the Land Tax Commissioners Names Bill was read for the purpose of being postponed until that day week. The Colonial Postage Bill then went through Com mittee. Mr. SOMERS presented a petition from Sligo against the Irish Registration Bill. The order of the day for going into Committee on the Copyholds Enfranchisement Bill was read, for the purpose of being postponed. Mr. L ABOUCHE RE said the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Gladstone) had intimated. that he would bring in measures which would have the effect of removing the distress amongst the coopers. He begged now to ask him whether he had been able to mature any scheme which would have that effect • and if so, whether there was any probability of its being brought - forward in the present session ? Mr. GLADSTONE said what he had stated was, that there were two modes in which it had been proposed to afford relief to the coopers ; one a reduction of the duty, and the other a substitution. With respect to the former mode it would not be the duty of the Govern ment to propose any reduction of the duty on staves in the present session. He had received a good deal of statistical information, which he had no objection to present to the House , _ which would show that the state ments made to the Right Hon. Gentleman with respect to the coopers had been coloured to an unwarrantable extent. As regarded a substitution, the Government had not yet arrived at any conclusion. They were not aware, in fact, that the trade were press ing for its adoption. YEOMANRY CAVALRY. Mr. BRIGHT put to the Right Hon. Secretary of State for the Home Department the question of which he had given notice on Wednesday last, as to the forma tion of a corps of yeomanry . at Rochdale. On that day he presented a petition, signed by 6,000 persons at Rochdale, praying that the House would not sanction the raising of a troop of yeomanry in that district, and he grounded his question on the allegations of that petition. It stated the force was expensive and needless, as breaches of the peace rarely took place in that district ; it also stated that the members of this troop of yeomanry were all of one political party ; that in case of any breach of the peace (marring, the force would be wholly inefficient, as it was naturally cowardly when brought in contact with danger.—(Oh, oh, and Order.) Mr. MILES rose to order. He wished to know whe ther it was competent to an Hon. Member to throw out against so valuable a body the charge of cowardice. The SPEAKER said the Hon. Member was in order in asking the question. Mr. BRIGHT continued. He was stating what were the allegations of the petition ; it said that such a force was not only cowardly, but cruel also, as cowardly per sons generally were. It said that the regular force was a better one in all respects, as for neigh bours to fire on each other raised ill blood and enmity, that might take years to assuage ; and that young men were called away from their business and shops to their injury, as they had not the means of af fording to play at soldiers in this manner ; it was inju rious to themselves and detrimental to the district. The question he wished to ask of the Secretary of State was whether the Government would give encouragement to the formation of such troops, and if so, whether he had any objection to lay on the table the correspondence that had taken place on the subject ? Sir J. GRAHAM said that the Hon. Member for South Lancashire having notified to him that a number of persons in the district of Rochdale had offered to raise a troop of yeomanry, he (Sir J. Graham) referred that communication to the Earl of Derby, the Lord- Lieutenant of the county. The reply of the Noble Earl was, that he saw no objection to raising such a troop, and on that official opinion he had advised her Majesty to accept the services of this troop. The Hon. Gentleman and the House were aware, that in August 1842, the manufacturing districts were much disturbed ; that property and life were in danger, and an application had been made to him of the most urgent kind for military aid to give assistance to the civil power. Objections had been raised to the employ ment of troops of yeomanry in the place where they resided. His Noble Friend, the Member for South Lancashire, in consequence of that, had ordered the Bolton and Wigan troops to proceed to Preston, yet, notwithstanding, such was the state of things in Bolton, that the Mayor set at nought the or ders that had been issued by his Noble Friend, and detained the Bolton troops there for the protection of the lives of the' inhabitants of the town. That was no doubt a great stretch of power, and he (Sir J. Graham) doubted the discretion of it; but nevertheless this yeo manry, which had been designated as "hired assassins," were detained in Bolton for the purpose of protecting life and property. 10 (Sir J. Graham) could not forget the state of Rochdale at that time ; he hoped that such a state of things would not return again ' • but yet, on the part of her Majesty's Government, he felt bound to ac cept the services offered by these enterprising and loyal individuals.—(Hear, hear.) MOROCCO. Lord PALMERSTON, seeing the Right Hon. Baro net at the head of her Majesty's Government in his place, wished to put to him a question with respect to the affairs of Morocco. Events had taken place in that quarter of the world which were of serious conse quence, as bearing upon most important interests of this country. That such was their character was not only an opinion of his own, but of many other individuals, who had stated to him that they had had communica tions with the Government of France upon these matters, and received from it explanations and assurances which they considered satisfactory ; of course they would not have considered them satisfactory if they were not so both as to diplomatic forms as well as substance. It was usual, when matters were taking place in any part of the world in which Great Britain had an important interest at stake—the Government generally took means, by officers of their own, to secure accurate information of what was passing. Now the question which he wished to put was, whether, in the present instance, any persons had been employed, or were about to be employed ; or whether it was in tended to have any Military Commission with regard to the transactions that had taken place on the frontiers of Morocco, and whether any naval officers or ships had been placed on that coast to inform the Government of the events that were taking place there, or whether the the Government simply trusted to the accounts casually received ? Sir R. PEEL, in answer to the question of the Noble Lord, begged to assure him that her Majesty's Govern ment had felt it to be their duty not to be dependent on the usual sources of information. Her Majesty's Govern ment had given such directions as they thought neces htiochthhe course p ursue d neces sary to ensure full information, and they had also dire c t e d the adoption of such a course as would tend to the rea l protection of British interests. Colonel FOX wished to know from the re he aßpipgehatHdoinn. Baronet the niern morning whether papersth e with p restatementrespect w t by the Governor-General of Gibraltar at Ceut a were this, n a t n seen d t h a t th was all he could state, that Sir Robert Wilson had been at Ceut a , e as paragraph correct, and whether those proceedings had be en sanc tioned by the Government. al luded t but Sir R. PEEL he could saidhe ea had o ORANGE PROCESSIONS. Mr. WYSE said he wished to ask the Right Hon. Se cretary for the Home Department whether or not it was ,the intention of Government to renew the Act in regard to orange processions, which expires on the Ist of August next ? Sir J. GRAHAM said, judging from the experience of past years, he had reason to hope that the Protestants ,of the north of Ireland would, on the approaching anni versary, abstain from processions as they had so wisely done for years past.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear," espe cially from Sir R. Peel.) But he was proud to state that there were two Acts of Parliament about to expire, both of which were of very great importance. Ile alluded to the Act for the suppression of secret societies and unlawful oaths, and to the Act for the suppression of Orange pro cessions. A Bill was already on the table of the House for the renewal of the former Act, and it was the inten tion of the Government, in the present state of affairs in Ireland, also to propose the re-enactment of the Orange Processions Bill. He. was, however, happy to say that Government, under all the circumstances, felt justified in limiting the duration of th e new Bills to the 31st of August, 1845.—(Hear, hear.) THE IRISH MAGISTRACY. . Mr. ROSS wished to ask the Noble Lord, the Secre tary for Ireland, on what ground the Lord Chancellor of Ireland had " thought fit" to reinstate Mr. O'Driscoll on the roll of magistrates? Lord ELIOT said he must protest against such expressions as the Honourable Gentleman had applied to the Lord Chancellor of Ireland. —(Hear, hear...) With respect to the question itself, he begged t" say that he bad received a letter from the Lord Chan cellor, stating that having received a memorial, signed by 2,900 persons of all ranks and classes in the county of Cork, praying for Mr. O'Driseoll's re-instatement in the magistracy, and being assured of that gentleman's restoration to health—(Laughter)—he had thought fit to accede to the prayer of the petition. Mr. ROSS—Then I give notice, that on Friday next, I shall move for all papers, letters, and correspondence upon this subject. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Sir ROBERT PEEL said he would take the oppor tunity of moving the second reading of the Irish Regis. tration of Electors Bill, to explain, as far as it was in his power to do so, the course which her Majesty's Go. vernment proposed to pursue with respect to those Bills which had been already submitted to Parliament, and were now awaiting the sanction of the House. Those Bills were all on the paper for Thursday, Wednesday, and to-day. There were, however ' s ome Bills which were not yet introduced, b ut w hi c h he had reason to suppose would cause very little trouble or debate. He was sorry . to say, however, that a vast mass of business still remained to be transacted. He would, however, go to the paper for Thursday. There was, first of all, the Poor-law Amendment Bill. It was the intention of the Government to proceed with that Bill.—(Hear, hear.) There were also two other Bills, of a most salu tary nature, having reference to the Duchy of Cornwall, which it was most desirable should become law as soon as possible. These Bills would introduce a very great amendment in th e management of the busi ness of the Duchy of Cornwall, and he, therefore, trusted those Bills would not provoke any opposition. With regard to the Metropolitan Buildings Bill, his Noble Friend, the First Commissioner of Woods and Forests, proposed to proceed with that. On Wednesday there were two Bills under the charge of the Govern ment, and with those also it was the wish and inten tion of her Majesty's Government to proceed. There were the Bill for the Regulation of Joint-Stock Com panies, and the Joint-Stock Remedies at Law and Equity Bill Then, with regard to the business on the paper for the day—there was first the Registration of Electors (Ireland) Bill. He had already given notice that it was not the intention of the 'Government to pro ceed beyond the second reading of the Bill, as from the serious differences of opinion which existed respecting it, it would be quite.i auposbible that it could pass into a law during the present session. There was next the Municipal Corporation (Ii eland) Bill ; he was sur prised to hear that any objections were entertained to it, as the object of the Bill was to extend the provi sions of the English Municipal Corporations Act to Ire land. But as it was so connected with the Registration of Voters Bill, that in the opinion of many persons con nected with Ireland they should be both proceeded with simultaneously, he would not press the Municipal Cor porations Bill during the present session, though he regretted the necessity for delay. There was then the Railway Bill, which was a Bill of considerable importance—(Hear, hear)—and which, he was sorry to say, was likely to meet with opposition from existing railway companies, but as it was of Ira.. portance with regard to Railway Bills now before the House, and those which would come before it next session, that the intentions of Parliament should be known with respect to their future legislation on railways, he proposed that they should proceed with the Bill during the present session. With regard to the Savings' Banks Bill and the Land Tax Commissioner Bill, his Right Hon. Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, would proceed with these Bills. With regard to the County Courts Bill, he would rather postpone making any final announcement upon it, till this day-week, by which time he expected that the opinion of the House of Lords would be made known with regard to two Bills now before them. The Superior Courts Common Law Bill, and the Small Debts Bill were not Bills of which her Majesty's Government had charge, but which the Honourable and Learned Member for Chester had under his care. The Chaplains to Hospitals (Ireland) Bill, and the Courts of Common Law Process (Ireland) Bill, were Bills ander the charge of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, the Member for the City of Cork, and which he, therefore, could not be responsible for. With regard to the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill, he had to announce on the part of her Majesty's Government that it was not their intention to proceed with this Bill — (Hear)—as from the mass of business before the House, and the opposition which the Bill was likely to receive, seeing they had not yet passed the first clause through Committee, it was notlikely that they could pass it during the present session ; it was the intention of her Ma jesty s Government to proceed with the Unlawful Oaths (Ireland) Bill, and also with the Copyholds En franchisement Bill. The next five Bills it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to proceed with the Customs' Duties Bill, the Bank of England Charter Bill (to the bringing up of the report of which this evening he hoped there would be no opposition)— (Hear, hear)—he must say that he met with no persevering or factious opposition to this Bill ; it was fully discussed, and from his experience of the manner in which the opposition to the Bill had been conducted, he had every reason to hope that the second stage of the Bill would be allowed to pass without discussion. They proposed to proceed with the Education Bill, the Linen Manufactures (Ireland) Bill, and the Charitable Loan Societies (Ireland) Bill ; the Aliens Bill, he believed, was under the charge of the Hon. Member for Gates'aead. Her Majesty's Govern meat proposed to proceed with the Protection of Purchasers (Ireland) Bill, and also with the Co lonial Postage Bill. The number of these Bills was large, but still he hoped that they were not likely to lead to any serious opposition. There was one Bill ready to be introduced which was of importance as a corollary to the Bank Charter Bill, and which it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to pro ceed with—that was a Bill to establish new regulations for such joint-stock banks as might hereafter be established. It would not apply to existing companies, but would be merely prospective in its operation. There was also a Bill of considerable importance, which was not as yet under the consideration of the House, and which it was the intention of the Government to introduce, and that was a Bill founded on the report of the Select Committee appointed to consider the manner in which the House exercised its jurisdiction with regard to contested elections. That Committee had consisted of gen tlemen who had been appointed on account of their extensive acquaintance with the subject, and in the report it had suggested certain alterations in the existing law. Therefore the principle of the Bill had already been for some time before the House. It was the intention of the Government to introduce a Bill founded on the recommendations of that Committee, and his Noble Friend the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancas ter, who had been a Member of the Committee, would propose a Bill to carry the recommendations of the Committee into effect. He had now gone through the various Bills, and had stated the intentions of the Go vernment with respect to each Bill. At the same time he must reserve to himself the power of modifying the de claration which he had ,just made according to the progress which the respective Bills with which the Government was determined to proceed might make in the House. Colonel RAWDON said there was one Bill of great importance to the North of Ireland, to which the Right Hon. Baronet had not alluded, and which was not yet before the House—he meant the Presbyterian Marriage Bill. He should be glad to know the intentions of the Government with respect to that measure? Sir ROBERT PEEL said that as a general rule he 'thought it was better that he should not allude to mea sures which were not before the House. The measure to which the Right Honourable and Gallant Mem ber had alluded, however, was one of so much importance that he felt it his duty to deviate from the rule, and to state that it was the intention of the Government to persevere with the measure, which he thought would give entire satisfaction to the parties concerned; and he hoped another session would not pass without; that measure becoming the law of the land. After a few words from Mr. WODEHOUSE, which were inaudible in the gallery, Mr. FRENCH asked if it was the intention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to persevere with the Com mon Law Courts (Ireland) Bill ? Sir R. PEEL said his Right Hon. Friend would give an answer to-morrow. Mr. J. BRIGHT wished to know if the House was to understand that no Bill of any importance, other than those which had been mentioned to-night, would be in troduced this session. Last year a most important Bill, the Chelsea Pensioners' Bill, had been introduced at the close of the session. Sir R. PEEL replied, that if he were to answer the ques tion literally, he should answer that there were other Bills to be introduced, for instance the Appropriation Bill-- (A laugh)—the introduction of which, he thought, would give general satisfaction, as indicative of the approach of the close of the session; but if the Hon. Gentleman asked if the Government contemplated the introduction of any measure of importance, he would reply that they did not. Yet still he would not pledge himself not to introduce any measure of importance, if circumstances should arise to 'render it necessary. Messengers from the Lords brought down certain Bills, which were laid on the table. Mr. MACAULAY reminded the Right Hon. Gentle man, the Secretary of State for the Home Department, that he had expressed his intention of introducing a Bill for the regulation of the medical profession during the present session, in order that it might be laid on the table, and that the profession might have an opportunity of considering it during the recess. He wished to know if it was the intention of the Right Hon. Baronet to introduce the Bill f_ Sir J. GRAHAM had frequently given notice of his intention to introduce the Bill. He did not wish, how ever, to make that motion without stating in detail the provisions of the measure. It was his intention, before the-close of the session, to ask leave to lay that Bill on the table, and he wouid take that opportunity of stating that before the close of the session he should also move for leave to bring in a Bill on the subject of the law of settlement, which he would lay on the table, in order to give time for its consideration during the recess. Mr. FERRAND wished to ask the Right Hon. Ba ronet at the head of the Government whether he posi tively intended to proceed with the New Poor-law Bill? Sir R. PEEL said he proposed that the third reading of the Bank Bill should be taken on Thursday next, and that the New Poor-law Bill should be proceeded with on Friday. In case the Bank Bill and the New Poor-law Bill were disposed of on Friday, he proposed that the Railways Bills should have precedence on Monday. IRISH REGISTRATION BILL. On the order of the day for the second reading of the Irish Registration Bill being read, Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said, as an English Member, he rose to protest against this most enor mous waste of time ; more especially as they were about to establish a precedent which was unknown in the proceedings of that House. He was not going to discuss the merits of this Bill. What he complained of was, that after the Right Honourable Baronet had withdrawn three or four important Bills, he asked them to proceed with a Bill which could not pass through its stages in the present session. He had looked over the journals of the House, and he could not find any other instance of a Minister of the Crown dragging his supporters through the mire, as the Right Hon. Baronet was about to do again —(Hear) —for the purpose of having a Bill read a second time, and then saying to those supporters, " You may now go about your business ; I do not want your votes or your aid any longer, as we do not mean to proceed any further with the measure." Did they mean, when it was proposed that the Bill should be read a second time that day six months, to accede to the 'proposition ?—(" Hear, hear," from Mr. Sheil.) The people of Ireland would consider this an additional insult to that already inflicted upon that country. He had received a letter on Friday from a gentleman connected with Ire land, and who was new at the head of the Repeal Association, entreating him to use all his influence with English Members to prevent the people. of Ireland from being insulted by the second reading of this Bill. He was asked not to allow the Bill to be dis cussed in the absence of the Hon. Member for Kil kenny and the Hon. Member for Cork, the latter of whom represented a constituency consisting of about 700,000 inhabitants. They had just heard that a magis trate had been reinstated in the commission of the peace in compliance with the requisition of 2,245 inhabitants of Cork. Why, then, did they wish to proceed with that Bill, which was an insult to the people of Ireland ? The Right Hon Baronet said the other evening that he wanted to ascertain what were the opinions and feel ings of the ,Irish Members with respect to this Bill. Why did he not know them at that moment ? If they wanted to know the opinion of the Irish people, let them read their petitions, asking the House to reject the Bill ; or let them read the opinions of the mayors of the different Corporations of that country. Although they had an immense amount of business to transact, yet they proposed wasting another evening in discussing the obnoxious clauses of a Bill that was not to be carried on. He would be no party to such a discussion, and he would now take the sense of the House, as to whether its time was to be wasted in a discussion that could have no practical result. He should not ask the House to give any opinion one way or another on the merits or demerits of the Bill ; the only question he should submit was, whether they would allow the public time to be wasted in a futile discussion on the motion for the second reading. He therefore moved as an amendment that the House do proceed with the other orders of the day.—(Hear, hear.) The question having been put, Sir R. PEEL said, with respect to the period of the session at which the B i ll was proposed, I he begged to observe that the second reading of the Bili was fixed, at a period when it would have been com petent for the Hon. Member for Cork to be in his place, and that he postponed the second reading at the express wish of the gentlemen at the other side connected with Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) He believed the second reading was fixed for the first day after, the Easter recess. That Bill provided the same genera system of registration for Ireland that ' prevailed in England, and it was important Mr. MJ. O'CONNELL agreed with the Hon. Gam- that her Majesty's Government should know tleman in thinking the Bill a most injudicious one, and whether the House approved the principle. The Bill calculated to produce the greatest social evils—greater provided a new franchise, and he must, therefore, perse- still if possible than the existence of secret societies. vere in asking the House to pronounce its opinion on Mr. SHAW supported the Bill in its present form. the principle of the measure, reserving themselves as to Mr. I'. B. C. smut' thought the objections urged details. He believed if the Government had abandoned against the Bill on the other side very strong, but yet if the Bill on the former occasion, they would have been the objecti.inable clauses were withdrawn, how could the taunted then with offering an insult to Ireland. He Goverment obtain cognisance of those illegal societies? hoped the House would not consent to the motion of the The Government could only obtain cognisance of the Hon. Member, but that it would allow her Majesty's existence of those societies through informers, and Government to have the sense of the House and the though he thought the greatest caution was necessary, opinions of Members connected with Ireland, on this in order to prevent the inculpation of innocent persons, Bill. he considered that the exercise of due discretion, on the part of the Executive, as well as the exemplary punish ment which such informers would receive, would be suffi cient to prevent the evils complained of. He must sup port the Bill in its present form. Mr. BERNAL thought it very serious that a person should be convicted for having a pass-word knowingly in his pocket. He thought it better that the clause should be omitted altogether. Mr. SHAW thought the word "knowingly" was the best protection that could be given to the accused. If he could suggest another word he would do so. Sir,J. GRAHAM thought that this measure was abso lutely necessary, and if they rejected these words in the clause, they would reject the whole measure. Consider ing the quarter from which this measure emanated, the high constitutional authority by which it was supported, and the causes which led to its continuance, he entreated the House not to reject it. The object' of the Bill' was common to both sides, and as it was of importance that the measure •should be passed unanimously. He hoped the Hon. Gentleman would think twice before he divided the Committee under these circumstances. Sir D. NORREYS though the Right Hon. Gentleman had very adroitly confounded a portion of the clause with the whole clause. As to the clause itself, the Hon. Gentlemen on his side of the House were as much in fa vour of it as gentlemen opposite, but he did not think it necessary that the whole clause should be rejected, be cause there were two words which, in his opinion, ought to be thrown out. Mr. ESTCOURT thought that the word " knowingly" operated favourably for the prisoner, because it showed that the mere possession of the pass-word was not suffi cient to constitute guilt, but that something additional must be proved. Mr. MORE O'FERRAL thought that this Bill was necessary when it was introduced, but he did not think it was npcessary to the same extent now. Many eminent persons had been convicted under the Bill. He believed there was no necessity for the Bill. He should there fore move that the Chairman now report progress. OR the question being put, Mr. SHELL said that he thought the possession of the document ought to be made evidence of the crime, and not the crime itself. He did not wish to shelter secret societies, for they were the curse of the country, no matter to what party they belonged. Lord ELIOT said that he believed the measure was necessary, and that he never before heard that secret so cieties did not exist in Ireland. Mr. MORE O'FERRAL explained. Sir J. GRAHAM begged the Committee to remark that the Right Hon. Gentleman had said this measure was necessary when the late Government had the re sponsibilities of office, but now that her Majesty's present Government was in office, the Right Hon. Gentleman did not think it necessary. Colonel RAWDON said the Right Hon. Baronet was hardly justified in throwing all the responsibility on that side of the House.— (Hear, hear.) They had come down for the purpose of discussing the Registration Bill, and they now found themselves engaged in discussing the Unlawful Oaths Bill, to which he entertained strong ob jections.—(Hear, hear.) Yet they were told, when called upon to discuss the Bill thus unexpectedly, that if it were thrown out, they must take the responsibility. He threw back that aspersion, in the strongest language the forms of the House would permit. They had heard a great deal of late about Ministerial responsibility. He must say that after the conduct of her Majesty's Attorney-General he did not place much reliance on that responsibility. He should cordially support the Hon. Member for Kilkenny. In reply to a question from Sir D. NORREYS, Sir J. GRAHAM said the Government would not consent to the proposed alteration, because they held it would render the Bill altogether inoperative. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL could not understand why, if that were the case, it was only proposed that the clause should exist for one year ? After a few words from Mr. V. STUART, Mr. V. SMITH said he had no doubt that the Govern ment was asked to postpone the second reading of the Bill. But that was not the question raised by the Hon. Member for Finsbury ; the question was whether it was fair to ask the House to enter into a discussion which could be of no use ? The Bill had been printed and circulated, and had excited great dissatisfaction in the country to which it was to be applied. Every information with respect to the Bill had been given. The advice he should tender to the Irish Members was that they should not say a word on the subject of the Bill— (Hear, hear)—for, if they should pledge themselves to any part of the measure, and next session think proper to vote against it, they would certainly be " Hansarded" out of their opinions.—(Cheers and laughter.) They had made no progress with the County Courts Bill, with the Poor-law Bill, and there were complaints from the country gentlemen, loud upon this side of the House, and, if not loud, deep upon the other, at being kept in town from their magisterial business to attend a useless discussion. Lord ELIOT called upon the Hon. Gentleman to state what clauses in the Bill were an insult to Ireland, The object was to increase their franchise and not di minish it. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL had come to the House pre pared to discuss the Bill. He came there not to defend statements made out of the House, but in discharge of his duty as a Member of Parliament. The Government had ruled that House during the present session with such a rod of iron that it had not occurred to him that the course that had been adopted would be pursued. The Bill, instead of being a benefit, would be a great injury to Ireland. He thought the best course would be for some deputation to attend the Right Hon. Gentle man out of the House, and to state to him their objec tions to the measure. He thought he should best con sult the interests of all parties if he voted with his Hon. Friend the Member for Finsbury for proceeding with the other orders of the day. Mr. VILLIERS STUART thought it would be use less to discuss the Bill now. Mr. SHEIL considered that it was to be regretted that the Bill had not been brought forward at an earlier period of the session. The Government had allowed three years to pass without bringing the subject forward. Last year they were told that the registration of arms was of much more importance than the registration of electors. If the Government were really anxious to know the opinion of Hon. Members with respect to this Bill, he thought there could be no harm in their entering into the discussion of the measure. Mr. BERNAL said that they were called upon to do something more than have an amicable discussion. They were called upon to discuss a Bill that they had been told would not pass during the present session. What advantage could the Right lion, Baronet derive from this discussion, for many of the Irish Members had declared that they would not be present during the discussion, and therefore he could not by any possibility obtain the opinion of the Irish Members? Mr. SHAW thought it would be better not to provoke angry discussions on the subject, when the measure was not to be brought forward during the present session. Lord PALMERSTON thought it more expedient not to proceed with the discussion on the second reading of the Bill, as it was likely to create a warm discussion, to use the lightest term, and there was no use of raising party spirit, unless it produced some practical and useful result.—(Laughter.) The course which the Government proposed was an unusual one. There were two courses ge nerally adopted ; one was to read a Bill a first time, and then allow it to stand over, that the sense of the coun try might be expressed upon it ; another course was to bring in a Bill, and to discuss the principle of it on the second reading, the details were then discussed in Com mittee, and after being committed, it was allowed to stand over until the next session. Such a course was in. telligible, but he could not understand upon what prin ciple the House should be called on to waste one or two evenings in angry discussion upon the details of a Bill ;hr upon the second - reading.—(He . ar, hear.) It was incon venient, and, probably, next session, the same thing would have to be gone through again. Very many im portant Bills had been postponed in consequence of the advanced period of the session to which they had ar rived, and now they were about to devote one or two evenings to what could produce no result. It would be better if gentlemen would suppress their speeches and reserve them for another session. The Noble Lord op posite had spoken of the manner in which the Bill had been discussed by the Irish press. Probably during the recess the Noble Lord could arrive at the real opinion of the people of Ireland on the subject. Mr. COLLETT said that if the second reading of the Bill were proceeded with, he should take no part in the discussion, and would leave the House. Mr.CURTEIS thought the Right Hon. Baronet ought not to proceed with the Bill. While he was speaking there w 2,3 a flash of lightning outside the House, and what was taking place within the House was rather ominous of the storm which the discussion was likely to produce.—(Laughter.) Sir R. PEEL thought that the Hon. Gentleman had no reason to complain of a flash of lightning, as he came from an agricultural eounty, in which rain was so necessary. The object of her Majesty's Government in proceeding with the second reading of the Bill, was that they wished to re move some erroneous impressions which were enter tained with regard to it. When his Noble Friend intro duced the Bill, there was only a very short discussion, as it was understood that Hon. Gentlemen would have an opportunity of stating their opinions with regard to the Bill on the second reading, and removing certain objec tions made to it. If he had postponed the second read ing of the Bill, he would be told that he had offered an insult to Ireland.—(No, no.) He said so, because there was a meeting of Irish Members on Saturday to consider what course should be taken with regard to the. Bill, the opposition to which was to be led by the Hon. Gentle man opposite. If he had at once stated that it was not the intention of her Majesty's Government to read the Bill a second time,gentlemen on the other side would have said that he had acted unfairly by Irish Members by de priving them of the opportunity of making statements in opposition to the measure, and by depriving the Govern ment of the opportunity of considering these objections. At the same time, if he were assured that it was the ge neral wish of the Irish Members that the second reading should not be proceeded with, he would at once give way. If the Irish Members wished the Bill not to be discussed, he would have no objection to give way to their wish, although he would not postpone it in deference to the wish of the English Members. If he understood it was the wish of Irish Members on both sides of the House that the discussion should not take place, he would not press it. Mr. MORE O'FERRALL said it was true that he had been present at a meeting yesterday on the subject of that Bill. It had been his intention to have spoken against tho Bill, on the ground that it took away the franchise which had been given to Ireland by the Re form Bill. He had not been aware of the intention of the Hon. Member for Finsbury until within the last half hour, and he understood the Hoyt: Member to protest when there were several English measures of importance before the House, against their going into an unavailing discussion on an Irish subject. Now, he must say that, every session, except during the present, Irish subjects had occupied a large portion of the time of that House; and he would also say that in general Irish questions had received a fair hearing, Trusting most sincerely that in another session a measure so important would re • ceive an impartial and an attentive hearing, he would, as it appeared to be the wish of the House that the mea sure should not be proceeded with, vote for the motion of the Hon. Member for Finsbury. Mr. BELLEW had been anxious that a discussion should take place, because he had thought it not im possible that the Government might avail itself of the objections of Members on that side of the House to amend the measure. He hoped that during the recess the Right Hon. Baronet would carefully consider the objections which had been urged to the measure. He had not understood that they were to go into the de tails of the measure on the second reading. It was not usual to do so. He would, however, follow the example of the Right Hon. Member for Kildare, as the English Members did not wish to press the discussion. He hoped the Government would take advantage of the recess, to review the Bill, -- and to alter its provisions in such a manner as to meet the wishes of the Irish people. After a few words from Mr. Grogan, Mr. Lefroy, and Mr. M. J. O'Connell, Sir R. PEEL said he thought he was entitled to infer that it was the predominant wish of Members connected with Ireland on both sides of the House, not to proceed with the second reading of the Irish Registration Bill, and that being the case, he would not ask them to enter into the discussion. The O'CONOR DON said he believed it was the wish, not only of Irish, but also of English Members, that this Bill might not be discussed in the present session. Mr. WYSE said that the greatest hostility existed against the provisions of the Bill, as they were under stood in Ireland. The franchise in Ireland ought to be dealt with, not on political or party grounds, but with a sincere desire to give a full and efficient representation to the Irish people.—(Hear.) Lord CLEMENTS said he came down to the House expecting, like many other Irish Members, to have a discussion on the provisions of this Bill, and was much disappointed that discussion had not taken place. He had come from Ireland under the impression that the Bill would have been proceeded with. Sir R. PEEL said it should be distinctly understood that it was entirely in compliance with the wish of the Irish Members that he postponed the Bill, and from no other motive. After a few words from Mr. M. O'FERRALL and Mr. F. FRENCH, Sir It PEEL said that the Irish Municipal Franchise Bill, as well as the Irish Registration Bill, would be post poned to next session. The other Orders of the Day were then proceeded with. The second reading of the Railways Bill was postponed to Monday next. UNLAWFUL OATHS (IRELAND) BILL. Lord ELIOT moved the second reading of the Unlaw ful Oaths (Ireland) Bill. Mr. MORE O'FERRALL suggested certain amend ments. The present Bill was eminently calculated to encourage informers—a dangerous race of persons, in any community—and to implicate ianoeent persons, as was proved by the recent trials in Ireland, i❑ which police men and Informers were clearly convicted a the grossest perjury►. Sir R. PEEL begged the House to recollect that in the present state of Ireland the Government had asked for no new power ; all they asked for was the continua tion of the existing law as a precaution against the disturbance of the public peace ; and whilst their prede cessors took this power for five years, they only asked for it for one year. The House then divided, when there appeared, For reporting progress Against it Majority against reporting progress —lB The Bill then passed through a Committee. PRISONERS' (SCOTLAND) BILL. On the motion for going into Committee on the Pri soner's (Scotland) Bill, Mr. WALLACE said he objected entirely to the sys tem of prison discipline now existing in Scotland. Cri minals of all kinds were subjected to the system of solitary confinement, and he believed the greatest evils arose from it. If it did good in any case, it could only be in that of young persons. The opinion prevailed very generally throughout Scotland that the present system of prison discipline in that country was an entire failure, and he thought the sub ject deserved the serious consideration of the Govern ment. He hoped the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir J. Gra ham) would state whether he was aware that there were prisoners in Glasgow and other parts of Scotland who were in such a state of debility that the sentences of transportation passed upon them had never been put into execution ? Sir J. GRAHAM said he did not think that was the best occasion to discuss the general question, whether of not the system of separate confinement was the best system of prison discipline ; but certainly his experience of the prison at Pentonville led him to the conclusion that upon the whole it was an admirable system, and highly conducive to the reformation of prisoners. The case of Perth was an experiment of the same kind on a more limited scale ; and he believed hi e Honourable and Learned Friend, the Lord Advocate , who had considerable acquaintance with the subject' would be able to state that it was not a failure.—(gear.) With respect to the convicts under sentence of trans" portation, that was not the case of prisoners suffering long imprisonment, but the case of prisoners who hel l been recently convicted, and who, on examination, w ere found to be in such a state of health they could not bee ? the execution of the sentence. It was not peculiar to Scotland, but extended to this country. The evil o f the expense of maintaining such prisoners was not a new one; counties had long been subjected to a simile? burden. He hoped the Hon. Gentl eman wou ld De" . object to the Bill going through Committee. After a few words from Mr. P. M. STEWART, The Bill went through Committee ; the Chairman re ported progress, and the Report was ordered to be brought up to-morrow. On the motion of Sir R. PEEL, THE BANK CHANTER BILL. The Report on the Bank of England Chart'er Bill /re ° further considered, and, there being no anar,:ndment, the Bill was ordered to be read a third time. The Education Bill was read a third time and passed', The other Orders of the Day ha v i ng b een di spose d e" Mr. M. SUTTON moved for and obtained leave to bring in the following Bills:—Bill to continue two Ael relating to the removal of poor persons born in Scotlarlii and Ireland, and chargeable to parishes in England. to continue certain Turnpike Acts. Bill t o suspen d the making of lists and the ballots and enrolments fur tb e Militia of the United Kingdom. Bill to continue th exemption of inhabitants of parishes, townships, ee f villages, from liability to be rated as such, in respect stock in trade or other property, t o th e re li e f of the p9,,021 The Bills were accordingly b roug h t i n and read a Dr' time. The House adjourned at Half-past Eight. Dispatches were sent off last evening from t h n j Colonial-office for the Governor o f J ama i ca, and Isis" for the Governors of the other West India colonies. Sol SIX POUNDS of TEA, and upwards, sent, carriage free, tS part of the Kingdom, at the. Wholesale Price, on receipt of a row' lance, or Post-office order. Black, 2s. 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