The Sun. — London, England, 1839-03-08 00:00:00

.ohm he (Mr. Sha - ) knew to be a most spotless cha racter, and whose residence in Ireland was productive eof the most beneficial effects to the population. (The Right Hon. and Learned Member then read a long paper, stating that Lord Lorton had taken measures for improving the system of husbandry in his property, and that in consequence it had become necessary to eject many of the tenants, and proceeded to state that in one tenement the man who had been allowed to enter as occupier had not long been in possession before he was barbarously murdered behind his own dwelling : the farm was again let, and the new tenant was attacked soon after, and beaten so as to be rendered tota.ly unfit for the slightest exertion during the remainder of his days. In another instance a tenant had been savagely mur dered, and yet this was said to be a civilized country. The worst feature was the evidence which these circum stances bore, that they arose out of no ordinary cause— they were not prompted by the usual motive which led to the commission of offence, but they plainly emanated from a combioation against the rights of property and the administration of justice in Ireland.—(Cheers.) If he were not afraid of wearying the patience of the House, he might cite numberless other instances, but the House would allow him to refer to one particular case to corroborate the statement which he just made —it was one already known to the House—the atrocious murder of Lord Norbury. It was clear that the mur der was no common one—it was perfectly clear that it was not done by a single assassin—it was evident to every one that it was one of a conspiracy against rank and property throughout the country.—(Hear, hear, hear.) That Nobleman was one of the most kind-hearted landlords, - and one of the best men in Ireland, and one of the most high elogiums ever passed on any man was passed upon the deceased Nobleman by Mr. Rafferty, the parish priest, at the fu neral ; yet notwithstanding that character, so given, lie was shot on his own domain almost within sight of his famiay, and yet no trace whatever has been dis covered of the assassin. It might be said that of coo: se there might be very great sympathy shown upon the occasion ; that the Nobleman was lamented, rl thet after the assassination of such a good landlord intry turned out in pursuit of the murderer. ry reverse was the fact. When Lord Charleville, ae nearest neighbour to the deceased Nobleman, was informed that he bad been shot, he fancied that it was by 50710 accident, and remained under that impression until, open driving through Tullamore, he found the pepnla' ion in crowds calling out with shouts, " He's dea.l—be's dead." It. was sworn in the information, taken soon after the murder, two men went into public- Leese, and calling for liquor, the first, who took the glass, gave a toast, " May the man neither lose an eye nor a finger that shot Giandine ;" and another, in a dif f.erent gave as a toast, " The Devil's luck to Lord Cc!ao.line—he earned and deserved his deeth.' So much to show the sympathy which was "eft for the family of the murdered Noble . Shortly after the murder, a Roman Ca upon the estate, speaking with Mr. cart, the son-in-law of Lord Norbury, said," for God's e, Sir, don't say you have been speaking to me, be s it is as much as my life is worth to be seen speak see or rny of the family." People had been s that the murder of Lord Norbury was lang as Mr. Garvye was alive. Months be er.ler, Mr. Garvye had received a letter stet re were parties out, lying in wait to murder ,vy bad been out on a previous night, when was returning from Nenagh, and that he only 'aged Is. his quick driving. Upon several occasions reeelved those warnings, and be had been advised, ell by his own friends, and by the Government of the .amtry, that it was necessary he should leave the atintry.—(lisar, hear.) Mr. Garvye was a brave inn, he had been an officer in the Naval service, and would fearlessly have faced the cannon's mouth, but he could net airing with his family remain in a country ts here every tree might ambush an assassin, and even his own garden wall conceal a murderer—he was, therefore compelled to remove from the sphere of his dtities.—(Cheers.) A short time previous to the mur der of Lard Norbery, a printed paper was brought to Mr. Garvy-e by a poor man, who said it had been extensively circulated throughout the neighbourhood ; that printed hailer was the speech of Mr. Emmett upon his bei ng tislesi what h e had to say why sentence of death should •be passed against him. Now, thirty-six years ago, ~tor of Lord Norbury, bearing the same name, .iced that unfortunate man. Now why, he would s, was that speech reprinted and circulated at that ,emeet emong,t the peasantry?—(Hear, hear) Yet were to be told that there was no conspiracy exist ing in Ireland. He knew that there was a wide spread one, and that Ribboniim had very extensive ramifica tions throughout the whole country. He had much informa inn on the subject—the Government had more. (Loeb cheers ) Let him have the papers and he would pr.)v e it. There were many Noblemen amongst his own Mends who had been threatened, waylaid, and wh ose lives were not safe in Ireland—one he might mentien—it was the case of Lord Hawarden. He to th , _! Sessions at Clonmel, and returning late a friend, luckily in place of taking the high road, :;nst tea solicitations of his friend, be took a mountain road home, and that very night four men lay in wait to murder biro on the highroad. He knew the names of th:e parties for they hart confessed it. Agitation was the - , 12. OF it h. What had the Hon. and Learned Mem din a ,id of the Precursors of Tipperary only ? Ira that county neither life nor property , yet they having sent up a large sum to the or Society, he said they bad done their duty knew there was crime in the district, but is as be remembered that be who planned the der of Mr. Cooper was a man who had been de .red of his Inc!. Was that language to be ad res3c;! to a Ligldy excitable people 7—(Loud cheers.) Again on the IGth January, shortly after the murder of Lord Norbury, the Hon. Gentleman again address ing the Precursors said, Lord Oxmantown ought to be cautious, !"or the people knew how his family had ob tained their property—not by single burnings or mur ders, but by wholesale burnings and murders, although et the same time he admitted that the property had been in the family hundreds of years. He admitted that the murderer was culpable, but the man who used such language as Lord Oxmantown was still more culpa blte—( Load cheers.) He talks of the people of Ireland being a hand of assassins—the fact that Lord Oxmantown lives is a proof that they are not. What was the mean ing of such language ?—(Loud cheers.) Were there not those in Ireland whom such language would encou rage to take the Wild justice of revenge of the Hon. and Learned. Member. What construction could the igno rant people of Ireland put upon such language except that if th ere were assass i ns i n Ireland Lord Oxman town would not be permitted to live ?—(Loud cheers.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then referred to the oath taken by the Ribbonmen, the members of which were sworn to keep secret everything which there might see or hear, to be loyal to each other, not to discover or to give any information against one ano ther, e t c ., an d w h at was t h e mode of punishment ? Persons from a different neighbourhood were appointed in order that they might not be known, and to these person s the offending parties were pointed out, But it was denied that any such system existed. All he re quired was that the Government, if they could do it without disclosing names, would furnish copies of the papers for which he moved.— (Hear, hear.) Having shown the state of outrage which prevailed— havlling gi ven ev i dence of combination and Ribbonmen vine traced that to its causes, he would now ask what part the Government of Ireland had borne in respect to crime, and combination, anti outrage.— (Mr. O'Connell, " That's the point.") Had they not ecouraged agitation ratter than discountenanced — l , Hear, and cheers.) Had they not by an indiscrimi aril wholesale exercise of the prerogative of undermined the very foundations of justice.— ) When the resident gentry were struggling most imminent dangers, and cried out for „ad the Government not taken that oppor tunity to insinuate that they had neglected their duties Magi trates ?—(Continued chpers froni the Tory s.) Hid they not been denouncing agitation anti still Patronising agitators in Ireland ? Since the year 183 k had they not created agitation ? hail they not been the familiar companions of agitators ?—(Cheers.) On whom whom had they bestowed their patronage They !eel chosen persons from the very Societies which they denounced as treasonable.—(Loud cheers.) He did not mean the slightest disparagement to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite (Mr. Pigott), but it ryes highly improper that he should be the adviser in re spect to criminal prosecutions.—(Hear, hear.) Within the last few days an appointment bad been made by a Noble Lord, whose e',Aiduct was most estimable in private life, but selio had avowed himself a public enemy of the Established Church in Ireland.—(Great cheer ing.) it was perfectly scandalous that he who was the avowed supporter of some of the leading agitators in Ireland should have been placed in such a situation. The patronage of the Irish Government had not been used to promote the public service, but had been bar tered for votes in this House=s--(Loud cheers) —and therefore it was that the faithful subjects of her Majesty in Ireland felt that they ought to appeal from that Go vernment which had not the power, if it had the will, to serve them, for if they were to discountenance agitation and enforce the law against agitators in Ireland, their political existence would not ba worth one f arthing.—(Cheers.) Under these circumstances he must appeal to the sympathy of the people of Eng landt and he would beseech this brave and generous peopl e to look on the sufferings of the sister country, violated by outrage, defiled with the blood of her inno cent children, and crying aloud to them for vengeance. --(Cheers.) He implored them in the name of truth, of justice, and humanity, and in the name of the God of mercy, n o t to allow the sister country to be blotted out fro m the civilized nations of the earth.—(Great cheer ing,) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman concluded by movin g for " returns of all outrages, crimes, and offences h d ' st inguisliin g the several kinds and descriptions, which ave occurred in the several counties, cities, and towns in Ireland, in each m an ont is of the respective Makin 1833, 1836, 1 837, 1838,. d 39, to the time of g such return; showing the sum total of each description of I lu3 ten Th~vr m Th . filmic fArrn the a vent -th,tt par In.tr for I last tnnr rzr , r( Sllrean bend: outrage, crime, and offence committed in each county, and Learned Gentleman had alluded to this crime in Lord opposite; and his colleagues ; but impugned the pl. city, and town in each month ; showing, also, the total connection with political agitation. Mow it did nut licy of their Government in Ireland, The Noble Lord in each county, city, and town in each month and in each appear that that town or neighbourhood bad ever been lead taunted thC Doti: aiid Learried Memhet for the of the said years ; showing, also, the number or persons made the scene of political agitation, end after the te;- I/niveriity of Dublin with having merely moved for concerned in each outrage ; crime, or offence, so far as timony which had been borne to the Chtlear Of th e paper& But in order to any ulterior procedings, it the same can he ascertained." H e was a b o ut to read Noble Lord, he.truteed that no one in that neighbour= was necessary to procure information, as the facts were several other resolutions w hi c h were on th e p a p er , when hood *dtila be found to have been guilty of such black in dispute. The Noble Lord triumphantly referred to Mr. O'CONNELL said he intended to ttdve in and atrocious ingratitude. But he (Lord Morpeth) many preceding Governments, under whom crime to a addition to the first return, e l , simila r return fo r England, would never wish to make the increase or decrease great extent pretailgd Hi Ireland ; but tile distinctiOn Scotland, and Wales. He w i s h e d t o k now w heth e r this of crime the guage by which to measure thd dtiecese of Of the present deleerthilent *at, that While tile country was the proper time ? any administration, Men of all parties should udite to Was In a state Of outrage and dime it was represented The SPEAKER was understood to reply ill the af- detect sand punish crime, and he thought that it. did t 6 be in e. etinditidnail 't tfericliiillita and lie ebb." The Hl firmative. not redound to the Credit Of any detaintiient til have Edens which the Noble Lord had quoted, to prove Lord MORPETH said-Certainly it was a satisfac- the caletioly lasened by their negligen ce or i n the diminution of crime in Ireland, w e re incorrect and tion to him, upon whom so large a share of personal actitity. He must bear testimony to the vigil ance an d delusive. The Government Gazettes would prove that responsibility connected w ith the matt e rs treated on in activity of the law officers of the Crown in the most frightful intimidation prevailed in Ireland. the motion and spe ec h of the Hon, and Learned Gen Ireland in the detection and punishment of crime. The [The Han. Member then adverted to a great number tieman opposite rested, and it also must be something Right Hon. Gentlemen had adverted to th e diff ere n ces of eases in which murders bad been committed before like a relief to the excited apprehensions of the country, which existed between the returns of the Inspectors Many pen-eons, atiti yet nObddy hail (hired to .corrie lot to find that the explosion which was to overwhelm the of Pollee, and the Clerks of the Peape. ph, di sc e e s wafd td 7ive evidence against the assassins.] It was not Irish Government with shame,• confusion, and ruin- panty was occasioned by the manner in which the re• merely ejectments from land whch caused such out which was to visit them with such tremendous retribu- turns were made up. the attention of th e Govern- rages ; attacks were constantly made on gentlemen be tion as would at least hare issued in impeachment-in ment had been drawn to this subject with the view of cause they would not sign memorials on behalf of con an address for removal from office-in a declaratory re- remedying this discrepancy. The Hous e was p er h aps victs, &c. ; and on farmers and labourers, because they commendation of a different line of polity=and termi- aware, that Colonel Shaw Kennedy had introduced the took lower wages than the combanation established ;or nated in a vote for the production of papers.-(Chee rs rule of confining the returns made by th e P o li ce In- because they ploughed their lend, instead of digging it, and laughter.) What had been the burden, for months spectors to those cases on which special reports were for potatoes; in fact, no rank or occup tion in life and weeks past, the daily and nightly strain, at pubtio made, omitting patty offences. A return had also been was exempt from the influence of the universal and corporation meetings, in the column s of th e P r ei s , made for the purpose of showing th e am oun t o f o ff alcs o f system of combination and in: imidetien. The within the walls of Parliament? Had it not been a a less serious character. From thes e retu rns it Government had lectured the la “11,trds of Ireland uniform and gloomy representation, of all law trampl e d would be shown that the numb e r of serious o ff ences as having duties equally with rights, but Go under foot-of properryand life left wholly unguarded- committed from July to December 1837, amounted to vernment would better direct the administration against (Tory cheers)-of property and life left altogether un- 3,473 ; from January to June 1838, 2,622 ; an d f rom the Catholic priests, whose dentanci itions were con guarded by the present Ministry.-(Continued cheers.) July to December 1838, to 2,356, thu s sh o wi ng a d e - stantly the incentives to murder. [The Hon. Member 1 They talked of the Church ruined, of the Thron e crease in the number of serious offences. At th e same then gave several instances of persons who ha' been menaced, of Protestantism at its last gasp ; and yet, time he would admit that an increase hid taken place denounced by the priests and shortly art erwArds mur to meet all this, they moved a vote for the prod uc ti on in minor offences, thus showing that th ere was no tie- dered.] The Noble Lord had talked al:out the absence of papers. While the Marquis of Normanby was wait- creased activity on the part of the police. The minor of Ribbonism, but he had caused to be inz, before he could apply himself to the duties of the offences from January to June 1837, am oun t e d to ex p unge d fr o m the returns all reference to the ribbon Colonial-office, for the impeachment of which he had 71,297 ; from July to December 1837, 74,336 ; from conspiracy. Did the Noble Lord think, th it because been repeatedly declared to be deserving-while Lord January to June 1838, to 74,536 ; an d fro m July to h e h a d s t ruc k Ribbonism from his returns he bad re- Ebrington was waiting for an address to cancel his ap- December 1838, 86,015. He did not ima g i ne that moved it frost Ireland ?-(Hear, hear, fr o m th e Oppo pointmeut, in consequence of a speech which be had there was any real increase in miner offences, b u t th a t sition.). In 1835 the returns were found to exelue e once made within these walls-what was the course this was entirely owing to the increased e ffi c i ency o f t h e Ribbonism. When the suldect of Ribno n i sin was taken by th e o th er s id e ? Wh y t h ey move d f or t h e cons t a b u l ary force. The Noble Lord then entered brought forward by in Noble Friend of his in another production of papers which had been granted year after very minutely . into the details of the diff eren t place, in Dec. 1837, the Noble M nrquis (Normanby) year as a matter of course.-(Cheers.) The Hon. and offences committed, and read a comparativ e statem en t had denied that any Ribbon conspiracy existed in that Learned Gentleman concluded an eloquent speech, by of the number of arrests which had taken pl ace country.-(Hear, hear.) In 18:16 reports were for saying that nothing remained for them to do but to nip- for each offence during each year, from 1834 to 183te, in ~ eardel to the Irish Government, from their own police ply to Parliament or the Sovereign, and then in a miti order to prove the correctness of his state men t. I t in the counties; of Sligo and Wicklow, that Ribbonism gated and suppliant form, moved for the production of was satisfactory to find that the convictions had in- to a great extent was in existence. In Westmeath and papers.-(Cheers, and laughter.) Anything rather than creased in the same ratio as the committals had to Louth the same conspiracy against the lie, s and pro -1 appeal to the direct verdict of this House-anythi ng the number of offences committed, whereas in 1825 perties of the inhabitants was reported to he extensively I rather than a vete which might bring about a change of they were one half ;in 1838 the ratio was as 4-sths, organized. He held in his hand copies of the that policy which had been attacked with such vehe- which amounted very near to the same per tentage ribbon signs and passwords which presented a menc-anything but the risk of dislodging the Minis- a s in England. This rule applied not ol!y t o m i nor singular instance of uniformity and identity of try from their seats, for which they would do anything, offences, but to offences of a graver character. Mr. purpose, and which was well-known to be spread or suffer anything, tether than take upon themselves to Barrington, a person of very considerable experience over a great .portion of tine country.' The Hon. Gen occupy it.-(Cheers.) Now, as to the motion of the as a public officer, ascribed that state of things to the derma) then referred to the evidence on this subject Hon. and Learned Gentleman, he had said as much, or efficiency of the police force. With respect to the given before a Committee of the House of Commons in more, than it deserved. The papers he should be very system of ribbonism, it was a subj et which deserved 1832. Priest Walsh stated that he believed there were ready to give, with the exception of one or two, which the deepest attention of the Government. They hat' not less than 200,000 men organized in that conspiracy. would be calculated to impede the public service some clues in their possession at present, but they were The Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, in a speech in the . administration of justice.-(Hear, hear.) of an extremely vaeue and unsatisfactory nature. of his delivered in August, 1833, hail stated that Rib- The hulk of the papers he should be re a dy t o g i ve , an d He trusted that the Right Hon. Gentl eman wou ld not bonism existed in the Counties of Dublin, Wicklow, and the fullest information on every point that could be press for the correspondence relating to it, a s h e thought other places, and that by one speech of his he had in required. He might also at some oth er ti me t a k e th e it would be productive of much mischi e f. It c o u ld only duced thirty-two Ribbon-lodges to dissolve themselves. liberty of moving for some additional papers, for these put the parties on their guard. He co uld as s ure the The evidence of Mr. Gore Jones, a stipendiary Magis only referred to the years 1835, 6,7, 8, and 9; the pa- House that the question should hav e the,unremitting at- trate, and Mr. Barry, of Limerick, fully substantiated riod during which the Marquis of Normanby had con tention of the Government. He did not think that it that state of things. He .believed that land been en ducted the administration of affairs in Ireland. He was connected with any atrocious c r imes, but related couraged rather than repressed, by the conduct of the was prepared to prove that contrasts with former pe- more to assaults and minor offences. If allowed to go Irish Government, in extending the clemency of the riot's would not be disadvantageous to the Government on,it might extenditself-(Cheers)-b u t the Government Crown to cases which were by no means fitted for the of the Marquis of Normanby, and he should therefore were fully alive t o the importance of the subject. A s exercise of the Royal prerogative of mercy. Tim take the liberty of filling up the preliminary void which to imputations which had been thrown out that th e Hon. Gentleman then referred to the case of Coghlan, had been left unoccupied.-(Cheers.) The speech of Government encouraged crime and discouraged prose. who had been convicted at the Sligo Assizes forted the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had branched off cutions, he met it with perfect indifference.-(Chee rs ,) asseult on a Mr. O'Donnel, and who had been liberated into two lines of argument-one conne c t e d w i t h t h e Tine Hon. Gentlemen oppo s it e h a d a f a i r an d per f ect b y or d er of the L ord Lieutenant, and *concluded by ex• present state of disturbance and crime in Ireland, and right to question the line of policy pursued by the G o • pressing his dsapprobation of the course of policy pur the other with the conduct of the Government. Ile vernment. It 'was fair to them to find fault with the sued by her Majesty's Government in Ireland with did not stand here to palliate or pas s ov er th ose cr i mes manner in which the Government thought prop er t o respect to patronage and appointments. of which such a formidable representation had been govern Ireland ;it was fair to them to impute that to the Mr. PIGOTT would not follow the Hon. Gentle made.--(Hear, hear.) They were deplorable, and sympathy which the present Government endeavoured man through the lengthened statements he had made. the worst part of the consideration w as th a t th ey to show to the opinions and feelings of the gre a t b o d y of Nothing could be more inconvenient in a deliberative were not new. if he thought that their removal from the people-(Loud cheers)-it was fair to say that the asembly, and nothing could conduce less to the due present state of Ireland arose f rom such sympathy or to office would bring a dditi ona l secur i ty to a singe h ome - administration of justice than on a motion for the pro stead in Ireland-wows have a tendency to still one any of the executive acts of the Government, or to any duction of returns to come forward with a long detail of shout of outrage, or coo shriek of suffering-would stay interchange of courtesy or communication which h e individual cases, and call upon those opposed to him the uplifted hand of the assassin, or divert one bullet (Lord Morpeth) had thought fit to have with the for a separate and distinct explanation ot' every one of from its murderous aim-he should hail with joy the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, for it w as to these cases.-( Hear, he a r.) Much of the Hon. Gene fiat which removed him from its burthens and respon- such dignified attacks that th e Hon. Gentleman had man's arguments and statements had been met by anti sibilities.-(Loul cheers.) But what he maintained now descended-(Great cheering)-they might attri- cipation. The Hon. Gentleman had produced long was, that the period during which the present G overn . bate to any or all of these the misfortune s and mi s chi e f s fists of Outrages founded upon he knew not what author ment had been in office had not been more stai ne d w ith of which unfortunately Ireland was still th e th ee t re _ rity, and obtained upon he knew not what information, insurrection, or violence, or general crime, than any co r e they might contend that a different line of policy might and on such data he had impugned the whole course of responding interval for the last sixty years, and that secure the peace of the country, and smooth the the administration of justice in Ireland. ' He was satis during the whole of that time outrages and crimes would progress of public affairs. These grounds lied, however, that a very few months would convince be found to have proneeded from similar causes. It were all open and fair for party warfare, but the House and the public that the Hon. Gentleman's an had not been said in express terms that the state of if they proceeded farther-if they descended from ticipations were utterly unfounded, and his predictions affairs was worse now than at any former period, but those fair and open grounds to impute an improper falsified. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then re .that was the inference which the Hon. and Learned encouragement of crime to the Government-he met ferred to the inurd.g of Mr. O'Keefe, and observed that Gentleman wished the H ouse to make.--(Cheers.) them with perfect indifference ; when they imputed a although the perpetrators of that outrage were still un• In 1761, the first Whiteboy outrages commenced, being charge of abetting outrage, and a disregard of the discovered, and although it had been asserted that it caused by the enclosure of waste lands. Crimes were proper means for protection and punishment, he re- had nothing to do with disputes about the te n ur e o f committed, at which humanity shudder e d, an d l aws were pe lt e d the i nsinuation as utterly, as manife s tly, land, y e t if th e H ouse would' only suspend its judgment passed, fitted only for the meridian of Bombay. Th ere nay, even a s absurdly, unfounded.-(Loud cheers.) for a short period, he could assure it that facts would was a series of Whiteboy outrages down to 1786, w h en Ile denied it in toto, and he chall enge d t h e Iti 4 h t come out which would place the matter in a very differ the Whiteboys were succeeded by the Lightboys, wh o Hon. Gentleman to the p-oof. There had been ent light. Much had b e e n sa id o f th e ex i stence an d pro endeavoured to prevent the pa) ment of rent. In 1791, crimes in Ireland under every Administration- gress of Ribbonism, and all the outrages in the northern the Hearts of Steel, began their outrages, attacking the (Cheers)-but the law under the Government of Lord and midland parts of the island ball been ascribed to the mails and rescuing prisoners. In 1800, the United Normanby had been administered with greater effect, existence of these societies. In 1822 there were secret Irishmen were established. In 1803, was the murd er certainty, and vigour, then under an y f ormer one.- associations and crimes connected with them, as well of Lord Kilmore, th e coun t ry b or d er i ng upon insurrec- (Loud cheers.) - The Right Hon. Gentleman had as since. But Government had always great difficulty tion. In 1806, the Chief Justice, in remarking upon found fault with th e ap p o i ntment o f h i s Hon. and iii fixing a distinct cr ime of Ribbo n i s m on th e i r mem b ers , the outrages which were p reva l en t, sa id they d n o t Learned Friend near him (Mr. Pig o tt), an d h a d t a k en partly from the confined extent of the associations. The partake of any political complexion. Outrages of this occasion to couple with that the appointment of his Hon. Gentleman had stated a number of counties from description continued down to 1820, when an account Noble Friend, Lord Fortescue. With respect to the which he said distinct charges of Ribbonism had been was given in that House of the most dreadful state of former, his Hon. and Learned Friend would answer forwarded to the Government, but which the Govern the county of Galway, in which the police barracks for himself; and with respect to the latter, after the ment had neglected to investigate. He (Mr. P.) now were attacked, and the regular troops repeatedly vindication which his Noble Friend had made of his asked the Honourable Gentleman what proof he engaged. In 1821, the insurrection of the Rockites speech in another place, ho would consider it 'derogatory had of what he had asserted in order to commenced. In the year 1822, the police were not to his character to attempt to defend him again.-(Loud fix the blame of negligence upon the Government. found sufficient t o p ro t ec t t h e country. In the year cheers.) The Right Hon. Gentleman had made allu- Might he not find, on the contrary, that the Govern 11823, it was stated in that House, that throughout sion to the speech attributed to Lord Charleville, in ment had carefully considered those informations, and reland, every feeling was in favour of the offender, and King's County. He did not mean to attribute any that in many cases they had been found to result from justice was continually evaded. But the Opposition i n wilful perversion of the truth, but the Noble Lord exaggeration, from hearsay and falsehood?-(Hear, those days did not think it part of their duty to con- was acting under excited feelings. The Government were hear.) He (Mr. P.) would not now anticipate publi c fleet every crime and every outrage w i t h the incapacity in possession of information which gave a very different justice by goingnto details. But he could assure the and misconduct o f th e G overnment.-(Loud cries of version of the affair stated to have occurred in Tull amore . i Hon. Gentleman that whenever a change of Ribbonism " Hear, hear," from the Ministeral benches.) In 1820 A great deal had been said relative to the letter of Mr. was established Government would strenuously do its the Rightllon. Bart., the Member for Tamworth, had Drummond. His (Lord Morpeth's) opinion was that duty.-( Hear. hear.) To the present Administration detailed the measures which had been adopted by pre. the tenure of land was at the bottom of ail these dis- was owing the admirable police force, the system of ceding administrations. He said it was scarcely po s . turbances. Was there anything so very reprehensible police stations,•under a central uniform system now sible that there could be a change for the worse, and or misplaced, when, in answer to a lengthened statement acting throughout Ireland. These were among the that scarcely for a single year since the Union had from the Magistrates of Tipperary, the Under Se- proofs of the vigour of the Government. The criminal Ireland been governed in the ordinary course of law. cretary of State should have taken upon himself to returns laid before the House by the Noble . Lord the In 1800 the Habeas Corpus Act had been suspended, follow out their statements, and when specially appealed Secretary for Ireland were quite correct, having been and the Rebellion Suppression Act enforced. Down to on the subject, that the depositaries of authority checked by the inspectors of gaols before they were for to 1806 those measures had been continued, and in should have requested those who alone could be ad- warded. They were therefore not liable to the objec -1807 the Insurrection Act was introduced, giving dressed, to point out the quarter from whence ail the tions frequently urged against other returns, which were power to the Lord Lieutena n t to proclaim any district danger mainly came, and to caution them lest by any not prepared with equal diligence and corrective care. out of the pale of the ordi nar y l aw , and in 1814 that Act abuse of their power and privileges they should give Mr. E. TENNENT said without going into details was continued. Down to 1825 that Act was enforced,and fresh provocation or incentives to the sprit which there could be only one feeling respecting the Govern in 1825, the Act for the suppression of illegal associa- prevailed ? What was the number of ejectments in ment of helat,d for the last few years-namely, that tions was passed, which expired in 1828. Now he the superior Courts of Dublin during the last six years ? i religiousii since e d i the raged an d betwe en r h e e n e l : a i‘ s r i t a i li s agd u i 3 wider,of N w ando though the c oun t r y d ur i ng t h ese per i ods bad been low, 191 ; in Montford, 172 (independent of 300 at the political greatly disturbed, at l eas t G overnment had done their Quarter Sessions) ; in Queen's County, 213 ; in King's greater Nor duty by asking for fresh powers to strengthen their County, 136 ; in Sligo, :180-(-leer, hear) -in mai)) , undertook the Lord Lieutenancy of that hands.--{Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) The Westrreath, 200. He had documents and memorials country. Party feeling was now much more inveterate House had seen that the occasional Coercive Acts stating circumstances, which, if read, would produce a than before the Catholic Emancipation in in% The ceased to be enforced in 1828, 1829, aed 1830, wh en strong impression on the House. He would not do so ; but Catholics and Protestants had many grounds of sym the Duke of Northumberland was at the head of the he must say that the Government would not be alive to its patty. Many Protestants were members of the Catho- Government in Ireland, and he would advert to some duty if they did not occasionally direct the voice of warning lie Association. How many Protestants belonged -to proceedings during that period, which would show against the employer as well as the employed.-(Hear.) the Precursor Society ? There were no supporters either the state of the country at a period when Mr. Drummond was not the first person who had ex• in numbers or money from the principal Protestant coun the Government of th e D u k e o f W e lli ngton presse d t hi s opinion. When the Noble Lord (the ties. Not one single gentleman, not one P rotestant and of Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite, had refused to Member for North Lancashire) held the same situation pretending to respectability in Belfast, joined the branch apply for fresh powers or extraordinary remedies. Th e he said, "itis my opinion that a great part of the dis- of the Precursor Society in that town --except, indeed, Noble Lord then went into a detail of various awful tress existing in Ireland is attributable to the conduct one-that he, in forwarding his Is. subscription, en outrages which had occurred in Ireland during the of the landlords."-(Cheers.) Mr. Leslie Foster, treated that his name should be suppressed.-( Hear, period referred to. The Magistrates of different counties Mr. Blackburn (the late - Attorney General of Ireland), hear.) Another proof of the growing prejudice of Pro had met and expressed their dissatisfaction at , the and Mr. Lewis, had expressed similar opinions. At the testants against Catholics Was seen in the fact that the means afforded by the existing laws for the protection very moment when the opinion of Mr. Drummond former no longer collected money at the chapels of the of life and property, and calling upon the Government was expressed, the Government was in possession of latter as before 1819. The Precursor Association was to institute some extraordinary measure for the pre- an actual clu e for the apprehension of the murderers, distinctly a Roman Catholic corrinitinita ; and the servation of peace and ord er . B ut th e G overnment w hi c h b ad been followed up with unr em itti n g v i g il ance, widening ill feeling between Catholics and Protestants of the Duke of Wellington had disregarded these and at the very moment when the King's County Ma- arose, in a great degree, from the flaggant preference appeals, and had not applied for any unusual gistrates were branding the conduct of Government, evinced by the Marquis of Nermatibe's Government fdr powers. This should be borne in mind, when the orders had been issued for a Special Commission in those, to the eeeltision of the members of the Este present Government were accused of disregarding the Tipperary for the trail of csrtain murderous and,instir- blished Church. So disorganised was' ireletal how, that remonstrances of the Magistracy.-(Hear. hear.) The rectional offences.-(Hear, hear.) So long as they in the opinion of an eminent Hie!' bartletet, trial by present Government had also been charged with the in- were entrusted with the government of the country, Jury Was no longer looked up to as an im security of Clergym e n' s li ves i n I reland. Since Lord Nor- the most unremitting vigilance should be used to de_ partial and safe tribunal. And the exercise manby took upon hi mse lf t h e G overnment of Ireland tect-the most careful investigation to trace, and the of the prerogative the there had only b een one c l ergyman -the Reverend most unsparing-, though disc r i m i nat i ng , sever i ty to even against Boerntmeneercusy e a f t ti r t e e p ti C r a t e s tl e a n o d !' b o u f bl t i h n e , Mr. Dawson-killed, and the Rev. Mr. Beresf or d s h ot p un i s h ever y a t roc i ous form of crime and outrage..- Judges,' showed to one class of the public that they had at ; but in the years 1819 and 1830, there were about a (Hear, hear, and cheers.) Their policy might be no reliance to be planed Its hitherto upon the irnpar dozen clergymen either murdered or violently assaulted. questioned-that was matter for the decision of a tiality of justice.-( Heat ; hear.) An instance of this The Right Hon. and Learned G ent l eman, in the state- Superior Assembly. Their motives might be libelled lately occu r r e d i n Belfast---a Catholic rattlediiernard meat which he had made, had allud e d t o th e great in- -that was a matter of perfect indifference.-(Cheers.) had excited a disgraceful riot in the house of a Protest , crease in the,number of Government rewards which h a d Th e y did no t w ithd raw their deliberate opinion th a t ant. lie was convict e d and sent to prison, but in been offered since the present Government came into property had its duties as well as its rights.-(Cheers.) November last, at the end of three weeks' incarceration ; Power. He was perfectly willing to admit this increase It w as th e d e t erm i na ti on o f th e Government to enforc e he was' lsber a t e d by th e L o sd Lieutenant add his last because he could prove that that increase heal taken the provisions of the law-even to apply to Parliament act after his escape was to come to the house of the place, not in consequence of the increase of crime, but if it s p rov i s i ons should b e inoperat i ve. At the same prosecutor and to boast of the influence of his party with from th e d es i re o f sat i s f y i ng the i njured parties, and time, he wished it to be understood, that any unusual the Government, and to threaten him with a repetition showing the country that the Government was in earnest straining of the law, any departure from the recog- of the outrage.--( Hear, hear.) The effect of the ad in its determination to suppress crime. This custom of nixed spirit of the Constitution, and its practice, ought ministration of Lord Normanby in Ireland would long offering rewards had been greatly extended and in- to.be resorted to as seldom, as sparingly, and for as be remembered in that country-(Cheers) - and in creased in comparison to the practice which had existed short periods of time as possible.-(Cheers.) In con- nothing more than in the precedents he had made for the under former Governments. In many of the cases eluding the observations with which he had troubled release of the worst description of men.-( Hear, hear.) which he had related as having happened- previous to the House, he could not conceal from them his deep- He would not longer detain the House, as other Hon. the year 1835, no reward had been offered, seated opinion, strengthened by every opportunity of Members more conversant with the outrages that had which circumstance would account for this in. observation, that it was by operating, in the first taken place were anxious to address the House. Ile crease. The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman instance, upon the physical condition of the people- should give his hearty support to the motion of his had also alluded to the discrepancy existing between (Cries of " Hear, hear")--in order that they might Right Honourable Friend. th e r ew ards offered and the amounts claimed, but he ascend to cope with mora l ones-(Hear, hear)-by Mr. V. STUART th oug ht th a t the present Govern' und ers t oo d from his Noble Friend -the Secretary of creating new links betwe en th e employer and the em- ment were en ti t l e d to t h e th an k s .of the people of Ire- State f or the Home Department that a considerable ploycd, and still more by imparti n g new habits and new land for th e manner i n w hi c h th e y had carried on the discrepancy existed also in England -(" Hear, hear," hopes in their own bosams-by opening fresh sources of government of that country , an d the 'judicious exercise from Lord John Russell) -although not quite to the employment, and by deepening the channels of indu s try they had made ofthe • extent t o w hi c h it ex i ste d i n I re l an d. The Right Hon. and enterprise-by developing all the natural resources, hear.) and Learned Gentleman he alluded more particularly and thus seconding the intention of nature's great in- Ge e . CONOLLY deprecated the sympathy that had to the atrociou s outra g e committed on Lord Nor- strutter-they would the most easily and effectual)y, be e bury ;as the Government was not in possession of and it might be exclusively, attain the great ends of o ' t 1 effect of • s crim in Ireland ; it would have t ne inereas n.xpressed by the Noble Lord for the perpetrators any clue which could lead to th e d e t ect i on o f th e per- civil government, secure the reign of social order, anti • ing crime in •give them petrator of this horribl e crim e , a ll h e (Lord Morpeth) give a fatal stab to the waning forms of lawless viols i fusion. . co log, The Government ought, instead ympat 1 . - could do was to give expression to those feelings and savage crime. The Noble Lord resumed ' ' .Ribbon system in ses seat nig, to punish the supporters of the .. that country, and create ana ef h s and cho,ng which he was sure he shared in common with every amidst loud cheering. e Ireland, otherwise tine ignorant part of society in Ire right-minded man with regard to this subject, feelings Mr. COLQUHOUN said he did of unmitigated horror and detestation. The Right Hon. Hon. Friends, impute impro ' not, nor did his land would imagine -the Government would p er sitolivee to the Noble a premium for outrage. It was surprising to him • that, the Ribbon system had met with such protec tion from the Clyvernment in Ireland, He would assert that io cash the dithrkinNl tht had fake's place agrarian was to screen the Government and con= teal the source of critne.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. FITZSIMON did not believe that Mr. Ellice had been denounced by the Priests in Ireland, as had been stated by the Hon. Member opposite (Mr. Col , fluboun). - No one regfelted rufife than he did the atrocious crime that had been committed in the county which he represented ; it was the - first, and he hoped Oath! he tea of the kind that wou ld t a k e p l ace t h ere . Mr. LITTON denied that fit Hung and Learned So licitor- General for Ireland had disproved the Jleetti.ons brought against the Govetnteent that, whether inteetioti ally or not, the course they had pursued was such as to , lead the wi 11-disposed and loyal people of Ireland to be lieve that the agitators and disturbers of the publ c peace were receiving the support and assistance of the Govern. meht. fle had not been able to gainsay a single fact that had been brought forward. A niece Cr/satisfactory speech had never been delivered, but it was the most satisfactory the case could admit of.—( Hear, bear.) Never had there been so little exertion to discover crime, or such slight puni.hment of it when trseovered.—( Leud cries of " Hear, hear.") He utterly denied that the landlords of Ireland had ever either forgotten or ne;lected their duty. Ile would draw the attention of the House to the circum stances under which Mr. Drummond's letter was written. A meeting of the Magistrates of Tipperary had b-en held in consequence of the murder of Mr. Weylend and ano ther gentlemen. On this subject he would quote a letter of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dubin, which he had real in a Newspaper, which stated it to have been copied from the Dublin Freeman's Journal.--(" Hear, hear," from Mr.' O'Connell.) This letter said that it should not be forgotten that 'Neyland bad taken this ,eau's land, and an offence had been committed against the honesty a;d peace of society . Mr. O'CONNELL asked from what Paper the lion. Member was quoting ? Mr. LITTON—The Evening Mail, which states it to be an extract from the Freeman's Journal. Mr. O'CONNELL—No ! no! Mr. LITTON—The Magistrates had applied to the Go yernmeet for protection, and chat was the reply in this letter of Mr. Drummond's ? There was no law of the land to punish landlords, and that they ought to 'member that they had duties to perform as well as property to protect. There was one murder before the letter, and almost immediately after there were two more, those of Mr. O'Keefe and Lnrd Norbury. E! did not think more of the murder of these two gentlemen, than of two ia the lowest state of life. The Noble Lord claimed association and friendship wi•li the Hon and Learned Member for Dublin, but was he pre pared to go along with him in all his opinions?—( Oil, and laughter.) The Government was obliged to cling to him in order to preserve their places and their seats. The ef fect of all this was that Ireland was a ruined country with ' out English capital, aed they never would have it so long as the present system was continued. Mr. O'CONNELL said this was a most singular de bate, first of all because of the inapplicability of the speeches to the qdestion before the Hause—( Hear, hear) --and it was more sing.alar for another thing, that four gentlemen, natives of Ireland, had come forward to do nothing but traduce and vilify their native land.—( Loud cheers, and cries of " Oh, oh.") They endeavoured to show that their own country was the lowest in the scale of civilization that was to be found on the face of the each. Amongst others from that land there were those to b • found with a feeling of patriotism, and a desire to up lift arid glorify their father-land.—(Cheers.) Oa the other side there was an attempt to traduce and vilify the count rycf their birth.—( Cries of '•O1 - ,oh," and cheers. ) They said they were surrounded in their own country by nothing but villains—it was said there were some sods that produced nothing but venomous reptiles, crawling things, odious and disgusting.—(Cheers reiterated from the Tory benches.) They cheered, they hi sse d, b u t th e y could not sting, they had admitted themselves to belong to Ireland, a country to which they said no one could boast of belonging. He boasted of belonging to Ire land because though their crimes and vices had driven them to many an outrage and many a mtirder.—( Loud cheers and cries of " Oh, oh.") The crimes of men like their, had produced those results. (Loud cries of " Chair, chair.") Well then he would make a present of it to them, and return to the speech of the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman, distinguished as it was for its applicability to the motion, for its kind-hearted feeling towards his own coun try—(laughter)—how happy in its illustrations. Well, because landlords in Ireland were told that they had du ics as well as rights, they quarrelled with the Secre tary, who presumed to tell them so, because he had sym pathy with the wives and children of poor men—with-the feeble and the old who were turned out from their miser able cabin to die in the ditch. B cause he dared to pity them, awl . because the Government dared to tell Landlords that they had duties to perform, as well as rights to protect, a complaint of this kind is brought forward ; the landlords would have been glad enough, had they been told that they had all rights, and no duties to perform. Yet the Right 11-in. Gentleman reLerated over and over again this same charge against the Government with even more than usual vehemence—he almost pitied the hand, but he trembled for the box.—( Loud laughter.) He com plained that !his letter had been laid before vie punlie— it was edit-, sseil to 'the Earl of Glengal, who very carefully pocketed it—(Laughter)—and it never came before the public until the Hon. Member for Kilkenny, who certainly moved for a great many things—( Laughter)—moved for a copy of the entire correspondence. It was laid before an " excited" public by being laid before that House (Chrers, and laughter.) The name of Mr. Bruen had unwittingly fallen from the Honourable Gentleman. They had the denial of Mr. 13; uen in that House that he had ever turned out a tenant of the name of Murray. H,w were the facts? Mr. Bruen owed Murry a large sum of money, be brought his action —it was tried before the late Chief Baron Joy, no violent Reformer—it was tried before a Jury of the Corporation of Dublin, no likely enemies to a Tory landlord—yet they. found a verdict for Murray to the full amount.--( Cheers.) This was a specimen of an Irish Tor} landlord.—( Cheers.) The Hon. Member for Belfast had intervened in this dis cussion, and talked of parties in Ireland. No one was more competent to speak in that way, for there was not a single party to which he had not belonged.—( Cheers.) He was an Emancipator—(Cheers)—a desperate. Refermer —(Chters)—a high Orangeman —( Cheers, amidst which Mr. E. Tennant said " No.") He was not a sworn one certainly.—( Laughter.) Ile was a Repub!ican, who talked of the fall of the Peerage, " The tenth trans mitters of a foolish face."—( Loud laughter and cheers.) He had gone round the entire compass.—( Cheering.) Where was he pointing now ? It was impossible to tell at the present moment, but when he was convinced that his present speculation was not a good one, the other side would have him again.--( Cheers and loud laughter.) If there was anything wanting to blacken the character of Ireland, the character of the lion. Member for Kilmar nock had supplied it.—( Laughter.) He had brought forward five or six cases of murder where be had the bold ness to assert that the priests had denounced the parties before they were murdered, but he was not a competent wit ness. Could anything be more unfair than the proceedings of to-night ? In point of fairness, every one of the charges was substantially a charge against the Government of the country, and if true, the condemnation of the House ought to follow ; but it was thought to be the safest way to give notice of an immaterial return, and then bring forward par ticular facts, which could not be answered at the moment. . -...-...-.... It was a trick, a party trick to increase the prejudice of England in favour of that faction which bad so long oppressed and trampled upon Ireland.—( Cheers and cries of "Oh.") The Hon. Member for Kilmarnock had _ _ _ talked of Popish lawyers having been appointed to offices. Who bad been ap pointed 7 Sergeant Ball, wh o wa s not an agitator, Sergeant Woolf g who was an agitator during the time of emancipation, but who afterwards de serted, and Sir Michael O'Loghlen ; and he appealed to the Hon. Member for Coltaine, whether a better Judge had ever sat in the judgment -seat than the latter ? ( Hear)—and that *as what was complained of—the pro motion of a Roman Catholic—( cheers).—by advocate of Christian charity, the Hon. Member for Kilreettock.= (Cheers.) The Learned Sergeant opposite objected to the appointment; but did he recollect speaking at a Brunswick meeting i n C or k i n 1828 T--( Mr. Sergeant Jackson intimated that he did not.) Certainly some Ceun• sellor Jackson did speak—( Loud laughter and cheers) — and peihapr the Learned Sergeant imagined that if Sir Michael O'Loghlen bad not succeeded, he might. Long lists of murders in Ireland had been read-16 murders, forsooth, had been committed in Ireland since November. Why, 26 murders had been during the same time perpetrated _in England, besides 13 fires—one in "Shaw," Berkshire. —(oh, oh, from the Opposition, while Mr s O'Cunn..ll I:Aighed heartily with those about him at the bad pun be had made.) But in Ireland there were much stronger stimillants to crime that . ' in this country i there - was an absence of all genial, kindly feeling between the gentry and the people.-- H .ar, hear.) Yet Ireland at least was free from incendiary fires..--( Hew., hear, hear.) No Govern. ment had been niote active in the detection of crime than the present —(" No, no," from the Opposition.) Hear, bear, from the Ministerial benches.) One great be nefit i ffected by the present Government was, that no corn plaints of pack: d Juries were made as Under Tory Govern :news. The present Government had been the first to abandon the infamous system of packing Juries by chal lenging 6n the part of the Crown.—( Hear.) Now with regard to the speech he had made about Lord Ox mantown—he admitted it, and would repeat it again. For that Nobleman, under the pretence of finding out the murderer of Lord Norbury, had atrociously calumniated the Irish nation.- (" No, no," from the Opposition, and Ministerial cheers.) His Lordship was seconded, too, by Lord Charleville—eery feebly to be sure—but the poor gentleman could not help that.—(Laughter.) As to the footsteps found near the spot where the murder of Lord Norbury took place being those of his son, be (Mr O'Connell) believed it was not 50..--(" Oh, oh," from the Opposition.) Mr. Sergeant JACKSON had been asked whether he had attended a meeting of Brunswickers at Cork in 1828, against Catholic Emancipation, and he could tell the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, that he had never at any public meeting spoken against Catholic Emakcipation, for his opinions were favourable to it. If, however, he had had the experience of the last few years, he should cer tainly have been opposed to it.—( Hear, bear.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had rambled in a most extraordi- nary manner from the question before the House. He de nied that the Hon. Member for Kilmarnock had objected to the appointment of Sir Michael O'Loghlin, .who had cut his (Sergeant Jackson's) acquaintance, because he had once asked him a question in that House.--(A laugh.) 11e would, however, do him justice to say that he was a most excellent and upright Judge.—(Cheers from both sides of the House.) The Honourable and Learned Member had made most unwarrantable attacks upon the character of the most amiable and exalted Nobleman in Ireland. Who was Lord Oxmantown ? A man of liberal principles, who had always kept aloof from politics, but who had been compelled. from the appalling state of the country, to come forward, and thus drew down upon himself the foul-mouthed attacks of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. The next Nobleman attacked was Lord Charleville, whose character was equally amiable and upright, and who required no defence from him. The Honourable and Lea: fled Gentle ftidn had alludgi to the exist. , nce of crime to a great extent in Engidttdi but was not the character of these crimes totally different frUrn that it was in Ire land? In the one country the whole populatton turned out to assist in securing the murderer; in the other the murderer was cherished and protected by the people The statements he had made of the n lative amout of crime in both countries was altogether incorrect the proportion being much greater in Ireland, —( Hear, hear) He de nied that there had been any attempts made to pack Juries by the last Administration in 'related. The etetement was equally incorrect with all the others that had been made by the Hen, and Lea' ned Gentleman in his vutabling address. He had dot the slightest unkindly feeling towards the Right Hon. the SoLciter•Cietierel for Ireland (Mr. Pigete ) Did that Gentleman believe it ?.—( Hear, hear. ) His poli tical opinions had never made and nevet would make him feel unkindly towards any individual.—( Hear, hear ) Now it was a fact that there was scarcely a Crown Solicitor in Ireland who would bat ird his place by setting aside a single juror, What was this in effect but packing Julies? Hence the fact, that out of one hundred and seventy trials for homicide at the late Assizes in Tipperary, not one conviction took piece. Great praise had been given to the imp atiality of the Sjecisl Commission in Tipperary. But the fact was, Government would not then prosecute before ordinary juries. No, they had the magistrates and the grand jurors of the county empanelled, and these gentlemen honestly did their duty by convicting the murderers and other atrocious criminals. —( Hear, hear.) Much as the Irish Government had been praised he did not think it improbable that they might yet be impeached.—( Hear ) They said that vigor and impartiality were the characteristics of Lord Nornamby's Government. Now he should like to see the man who would stand up and declare this in the face of facts?—( Here Lord Morpeth stood up amidst cheers and opposition,) He would say on the contrary, that the conduct of the Iri s h Execu t ive "Go vernment, had had the effect of exalting one party, and de pressing another. The atrocity which now disgrace Ire land, proceeded from the course of the Government, Let him turn to his own profession—it would not suffice for a member of that pion_ scion, as a justification in the eyes of the late Government of Ireland—he hoped this would not apply to the future Government—to be a person of talent, learning, honour, exemplary charater and per fect neutrality in polities—such a man would not be advanced. No, he would have no chance, unless he would degrade himself and be ready to lick the dust from the feet of Lord Normanby—(oh, oh)—whom he would refer to Mr. Sergeant Gre,me, a most respected friend of his. He had altogether avoic'ed politics—perhaps he had gone a little out of his way to do so. The only objectionable thing Sergeant Greene had done was to attend Lord Normanbv's levee.—( Laughter. ) If this were not highly objectionable, he would ask, why was it that so few of the gentry and the bar attended them ? Surely if there were not some very strong reasons against it the members of the bar would have felt it their interest to attend the levees of the Lord Lieutenant. Perhaps it was on account of his making his first entry into Dublin amidst a mob of precursors.--( Loud laughter.) The first men of the country were passed by, and those only were promoted who served the purposes of the Go vernment. eVho had becn appointed Filacer of the Court of Exchequer ? Why Mr. Power, the relative of one of the Hon. Gentlemen who cheered him.—( Hear.) That Mr. Power having outraged common decency, who else had been appointed? Why Mr. A. O'Dwyer—( Hear) — who had been an Agitator. So with respect to the person who had been appointed to the office of the Clerk of the Rules.--( Hear, hear.) Could the Protes tant people of the country have any confidence in a Government which had so acted? Look also to the appointment of the new Lord Lieutenant. After the speech made by that Noble Lord, he must assert ' that that ap pointment was, to say the least of it, most unsuitable.— ( Hear, Lear.) There had been great partiality also in the construction of the constabulatory force in Ireland. Those who were lucky enough to be related to the Hon. Member for Dublin were preferred. If the Government trenched upon what was required by the Honourable Member for Dublin they knew the consequences. If Orange associations were put down all other secret so. cieties ought to have been put down at the same time . Proof was not wanting of the existence of Ribbonism, and yet no attempts had been made to put that down. The Irish people had strong passions, and were easily led for good or evil—what then must be the effect of agitation upon such a people as this? and yet the Noble Lord had entertained at his table a number of Members of the Pre cursor Society. Why had there been such a difference in the treatment of Lord Oxmantown and the Marquis of Ileadfort ('Loud cries of " Hear, hear, hear.") He held in his hand the information on oath of a man stating himself to be member of the Ribbon Society—a Society bound by oaths of secresy—which he would read to the House, omitting the name. (The Learned Ser jeant here read the information alluded to, which stated the nature and organization of the Ribbon Society.) He :rusted the Government would follow out this intormation He knew that Ribbonmen were extending fast—there were many of them in Liverpool—there might be some in Shef field—he knew that there were many in Scotland —many in Glasg ow. One of the Ribb on d ocumen t s was p ro d uce d upon th e triad of a man in Drogheda, but still there was an acquittal.. Another was found upon a min in Wick low—it was taken from him while lying on the road in a tin box. The man first said it was a bank note, and then that ht' had put in to light his pipe, but it was found to be a; Ribbon document and was forwaided to the Government. The hops of these purges were raised by late events in Canada, for many of the documents referred to the rebellion in that country, and the existence of Ribbonism was acknowledged by a Roman Catholic priest be- C.re a Committee of last Session. The book of the Hon. Member for Waterford ( Mr. Wyse) stated that the object of the Catholic Association was the dismemberment of the country and the overthrow of the Church. Those were still the objects of all the other associations, whether Volunteers or Precursors.—( Oh. oh.) The latter Society was going in the footsteps of the Catholic Association, and they had as many priests members as were belonging to the Catholic As3eciation. The Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin might have his followers—he might have the rabble at his command, but he had not the respectable and loyal Roman Catholic people of Ireland. He believed they as much objected to his conduct as Protestants did ; and when he talked of his seven millions, when he had the audacity to say "we are seven millions," he reckoned without his host, if he calcu lated on the great body of the people of Ireland, as his supporters—( Hear, hear) —and a proof of that was furnished by the fact that in Connauuht, where there were not more than 44,000 Protestants, the contribution to the Precursor Society was only 55/ 10s., whilst in Tipperary it was 628/. 9s. Why was this? It showed that the Roman Catholics would not allow their tenantry to do wrong, and that the Protestants had been displaced from their proper position.—( Hear, hear, hear.) The Learned Sergeant went on to state that Lord Nor manby in his visitation through Ireland had discharged one thousand one hundred and sixty-two convicts, before the expiration of their sentences, and alter declaring that such conduct was liable to an impeachment, and entering into some other details, the Learned Sergeant finished by representing the Government of Ireland to be altogether under the influence of the Learned Member for Dublin and his party. Colonel VERNER moved the adjournment of the de bate till this evening. Lord J. RUSSELL would not oppose the adjournment if there were several other Gentlemen to address the House, but he would certainly move the second reading of the Irish Municipal Corporation Bill, in the first instance, and after. wards propose the Committee of Supply.—(Cries of " Go on.") Mr. LEFROY was proceeding to address the House, when he was met by cries of " Adjourn!" The motion for the adjournment was then put and agreed to. Mr. BA RNEBY moved the appointment of a Select Committee to inquire into the manner in which the house kept by Mr. John Gilleland, for the reception of insane patients at Hereford was conducted.—Agreed to. On the Motion of Mr. BARING, the Transfer of Aids Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. BARING and Admiral ADAM brought up papers b , . command of her M- j* sty, whieh were laid on the table. The House Mjournet: at Two o'CLocx. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION. (From the rotes and Proceedings of Me !bust,' Commons.) TUESDAY, MARCH 5, 1639. INNKEEPERS. Motion made, and Question pat ; " That leave be given to bring in a Bill be for the more effectual protection of Inn keepers :"—The House divided : 11INOR1TY—AYES, 20. Luce!les, W. S. Wakley, Thomas O'Connell, Morgan Walker, IL Paget, P. Woraley, Lord Protheree, Edward Yates, John A. I'ryme, G. Heddington, T. N Salwey, Colonel Turner, Edmund liglionby, H. A. Bl mdford, Marquis of Brocklehurst. J. Collins, William Divett, Edward Dundas, C. W. D. Goring, H. D. , Humphery, J. ?MFRS. Pechell, Captain Darby, George JORITY-NOES, Heathcoat, John Hector, ;. J. Hepburn, Mr B Hill, Lord A. M. C. Hindley, Charles Hobhouse, Sir J. C. Hobhouse, T. B. Hodgson, Richard Hope, Charles Howard, P. H. Howard, Sir It, Hughes, W. B. Hume, Joseph James, Sir W. Jervis, Swynfln Jones, John Kemble, Henry Kinnaird, Hon. A Knight, Henry Gaily Labouchere, H. Langdale, Hon. C. Leader, J. F. I.et'•oy, Rt. Hon P. Lemon, Sir C. Liddell, H. I'. Lushingtoo, Charles Lushington, Dr. Lygon, Colonel Lynch, A. B. Mackenzie, Thomas MacKenzie, W. F. Maher, John Niarshall, W. Master, Colonel Maule, Hon Fin Maxwell, H. Miles, P. W. S. Monypenny, Capt. Mordaunt, Sir J. Morris, David orrcys, Sir D J. O'Brien, W. Smith O'Ferrall, More i'Neil, J. B. K. Paget, Lord Alfred Pokington, J. S. Palmer, C. Fy,ho Palmer, R. Visct Parker, John Purker, It T. Parnell, Sir H. Abercromby, G. R. Aglionby, Major Ainsworth, Peer klsager, Richard Al,ton, R. Archbold, Robert krchdall, General Bagge, Wm. Bailey, Joseph, jun. Baines, E. Barington, Lord B lesoo, Sir Robert Beamish, F. B. Bellew, R. M. Berkeley, F. H. Bevies, T. Blackstone, W. S. Blair, James Blake, W. J. I3odkin, John James Bi oadley, Brotherton, J. Bruce, Lord E. Bruges, W. 11. L. Bran, George Busleild, William Campbell, Sir J. Chute, W. L. W. Clive, E. B. Clive, Robert Courtenay, Philip Crawley, S. Crompton, S. . Curry, W. Disk, Q. Duncombe, A. Du Pre, George Egerton, W. T. Esteoutt, T. G. B. Etwall, It. Evans, W. Fector, J. M Ferguson, Sir It A. Fitzroy, Lold Cherie. Fort, John Gaskell, J. M. Glynne, Sir S. Gordon, R. Grant, F. W. Grattan, H. H. 1 56. Perceval, Colonel Perceval, Hon. G. J. Phillips, G. Phillpotts, J. Pigot, Robert Plumptre, J I'. Prael, W. T Rice, T. S. Rice, Edward Rhhards, Richard Roche, W. Roche, Sir 1). Rolfe, Sir It. M. Rolleston, L. Round, C. G. Rushout, liowles Russell, Lord John Sanford, E. A. Scarlett, J. Y. Seale, Colonel Shell, R. L. Shirley, J. E. Smith, fienj,min Smyth,V si e r t i(io; G. Stanley W 0. Stansfield, W. R. C. Staunton, Sir G. 'l'. Steuart, R. Stewart, James Stock, Dr. Strickland, Sir G. Strutt, E. Stuart, Lord James Stuart, Villiers Style, Sir Charles Thomson, C. P. Thornely, Thomas Th rnhill, George Vivian, John Ennis Wacloington. H. S Warburt.n, H Ward, (I H. White, A Willwalam. G. Wil lams, It. Wilmington, T. E. Wilmington, H. J. Young, Sir W. L. TELLERS. Seymour, Lord Philips, 31, Is - Hawes, B PUBLIC DINNER AT BATH• On Tuesday evening a public dinner was given to Dir . Hobbs, the individual who was discharged from his sitne* tioe as foreman of the Bath Chronicle, on account of big religious opinions, as stated in the letter of " liatbonien ifs," which appeared in The Sun of the 26th ultimo. UP' wards of sixty gentlemen sat down to dinner, a t the Glee cester Inn, among whom were Messrs . Jolly, Hessnn',, PASSMOI 6, and 13drretter, members of the Town - C ounci l, Mr. James Keane, Editor of the Bath Journal, the Reg' Mr. March, &c. &c. The entertainment was provided in the s.me style which has rendered Edvrards's Hotel pro verbial for profusion and liberality in his entertain ments ' The wines were of the first rate order, and elicited the unanimous approval of the company. Mr. JOLLY, Town Councillor for Walcot Ward, filled the chair ; and Messrs. Higman and ,Passmom I.° 7 g Councillors fur St. James's and Kingamead Wardrif dated ass Vice-Presidents. The dinner having been despatched, The CIIAMMAN said, the circumstances in which tile present meeting originated were of an unusual characters and would be sufficient to account tor the departure from the usual routine of toasts given on sucb occ 4oo . —( Hear.) While they adhered to the old-fashio om . custom of giving toasts, they departed entirely from+ th° substance which toasts usually contained. mete Thy were !et a political party assembled ; they were not to signally the triumph of a monsent, or to exult over the defeat den adversary. They were there to bear testimony to the worth of an individual, who had been borne down by intoler ance and oppression ; and, whilst they expressed their sympathy with the party who thus suffered, to declarre the unworthiness and baseness of the manner 01 which he had been treated. The sentiment he should propose was one of high and supreme imp or t' ance. It was the holiest which man could advocate. " Freedom of opinion" was the sentiment he called UPl the Meeting to respond to ; and, in so doing, he won!' say there was no right men ought more to value than the on' limited right of giving expression to their thoughts. T he case, however, which had caused the present assemblage arose not out of the interdiction of the expression of opinion, but from an attempt to punish the very possession of it. The attempt to suppress the expression of e cln. viction was unworthy; but he that attempted the pre; vention of the holding of opinion, was base b e y on e. conception.—( Hear, hear.) It was pleasing to men, tion the public services of individuals with aPP. c°. bation; but in the present case it was doubly grater lug to be able to bear testimony to the private worth of the person they were met to sympathise with under Per t ga. d cution. [The Chairman here read a letter which he '!l% received from a former employer of Mr. Hobbs, speaking_ of him in the highest terms, and expressing regret at al circumstances under which he was about to leave Bet h ' Mr. Hobbs's character, said the Chairman, stands n is ti i : sullied; and though he moves rather in an bu rn '.7 than an exalted sphere, yet, when we find an. dividual punished for holding conscientious opi eg t words are wanting to express contempt for the party n o is base enough thus to abuse the power they possess., conclusion, the Chairman proposed " Freedom of opion li 'd Mr. litemote next gave, " Moral courage," the eel° which he strongly and forcibly impressed upon his beton The Rev. J. MURCII said he responded to the c all the President, he was going to say gladly, but he felt t'. word misapplied to the toast which he was about to oubtoblwe Though he was surrounded by the signs of mirth, could not forget the cause of the present racetier e i he could not but remember that they were cal together by an act of bigotry, intolerance, and sot persecution, unworthy of the present age. H e le nt , therefore constrained to be grave—that it was a subject "nr which he could not be glad—that it was a circumstan ce a peculiar and aggravated nature. Were it a common n!", of persecution or bigotry, the reason for their assernklinbec would still remain, but the force of their proceedings 04 4 perhaps be lessened. But it was not so. In the pres,!" case, a man who had fulfilled his duty with talent and &lel' against whom the breath of slander had never yet been ral was the first to be singled out as the victim of persecutW' He had hardly been able to convince his mind of the fn_n In the lith century, when Christianity was abroad, her ministers boasted and contended of what they bad don i ; and what they should do, he could not imagine how al l t b , o had happened. " But, Sir," said Mr. Murch, turning.", Mr. Hobbs, " I look to you, and I find that this i n dream, but a painful reality. I look round, and I see d numerous company tie ho are come to testify their high estece of you, and to bid you farewell. From circumstances 41/ which your persecutors had no control, you have not bf e o so great a pecuniary sufferer, as might otherwise babe the case; but atiil you hove to break through many str ° , and tender ties—to tear yourself from a city and a circ le 11 friends to whom you are attached—and for what ? S itn i„ c i because Mr. Hobbs has thought for himself on a scui"ie the most momentous, and on which no othoat reature as . interfere between his Maker and hisifelloAmans ° of said the reverend speaker, let us not be sad, or etublio the few remaining hours which we have to spend . with 0 . 0 friends. Let us turn the cause of our meeting to' n c- er practical account ; and this I conceive may be done inforcing three objects :—Firstly, by expressing our abbe'' , rence of the circumstances of the case ; secondly, to el , courage the younger persons present to pursue a straig_ d b forward and conscientious course ; and, thirdly, to eq. our cordial sympathy with Mr. Hobbs, and to bid " God speed," in his earthly journey. These seeertf points were feelingly and eloquently urged by 1 Murch, who proposed in conclusion, the prosperity b e health of Mr. Hobbs, and the warmest wishes of t Meeting for his future welfare. The toast was drunk with the most enthusiastic cheerill, Mr. Hones rose to return thanks. He was evidently lab ° - ing under great emotion, which was increased by the , continued plaudits with which be was received. he that though he had been somewhat un d er a c loud, • sympathy which had been so co r di a lly ex p resse d h a d &o f: some light upon his path. His situation was, as had !Il i remarked, somewhat humble, an d . h e , therefore, 'ea he more embarrassed at th e very kind mane 1< in which he had been treated. That he did tbss e the meeting sincerely for their generous explessions , begged them to be assured; and if he failed to express be feelings adequately, the fault must be attributed rather g o his inability than t o hi s i nc li nat i on . H e f e l t t h at t he P s is of convi c ti on , even t h oug h i t term i nated in beggar y, ' l , - 4 the only saf e one . A n d on t hi s groun d h e i n f erre d tu; the numbers he saw around him were drawn there bf, f • higher and a no bl er mot i ve t h an a mere express i on o f t .. s! - sympathy with hi m. I t s h owe d t h at t h ey recogn i ze d theP l ij ciple that opi n i on s h ou ld b e uns h ac kl ed—t h at no man shou t , be coerced without the opinions he held were proved to 7, injurious to society. For himself he could safely say th e none of the d octr i nes w hi c h h e h e ld cou ld b e prove d to P i ', a pernicious tendency ; and therefore he thought that ought not to be made the victim for entertaining such v:ctions. - But he had been so persecuted ; and in bear' the reproach he carried with him a feeling that would Or; port hiai unde r a f ar h eav i er a ffli c ti on . Af ter a few otliff observati ons M r . H o bb s returne d t h an k s to t h e p r inters Bath, to the members of the Mechani cs I ns tit u t e , and to s od the company who had supported him und e r his trial; 1 / 1 . • concluded by drinking the healths of all present. Hobbs sat down amid loud cheers. 7 he PaEsiDENT then gave " The Freedom of the Pre',:, coupling with the health the name of Mr. James Kee he the Editor of' the Bath Journal, and the President s ' Bath Mechanics' Institute. after Mr. JAMES KEENE made a very appropriate reply--3 which, ho Mr. JEFFERY proposed " The Printers of Bath, °- proposed the resolution relating to Hobbs." f th e Mr. AUSTIN briefly returned h anksth on behalf 0 - Printers. h. The CHAIRMAN next read a letter of sympathy whi ch A do had received from 73 friends of Mr. Hobbs, at Trowbr"oo Mr. BARRETTI gave, " The education of the people bc the most enlightened principles," introducing the toast very apposite observations. Dr. Mortitzer, proposed " Success to the Bath oicti o . nic's Institute," accompanied by a hi g h and e l o quent eiv" glum on the utility of such Associations. The healths of the President ( Mr. J o lly) a nd the 'Or o Presidents (Messrs. Passmore and Higman) were tb . given and acknowledged by those gentlemen. The health of the Rev. J. Murch was next drunk , 6114 acknowledged by that gentleman in very feeling terms. rti Mr. MARTIN then gave Civil and Religious Lib e _i t s all over th e w or ld ;" and Mr. KEENE proposed the 10 '0, of Mr. Edward=, the l a ndlord, ac co mp an i e d by a w e e , deserved compliment to that ardent and practical Reforlit,, The last toast was proposed by Mr. MOORS--" pathy with the persecuted of all denominations." Several songs were sung in the course of the eve° l- te l and the company separated, highly gratified by the ill lectual treat they had experienced GOLD SIGNET RINGS.—A great VarietY, o ° .! hese Useful and Fashionable RINGS, are kept for Sl i to l Lion, with Cornelian, Amethyst, Topaz, and other be Stones, suitable for engraving. Armorial bearings 1 101 s o referred to, or found, gratis, and can be engraved bA OI ,I- Artist of great talent, at T. COX SAVORY'S, !";dOO smith, Silversmith, and Watchmaker, 47, Cornhill, (Seven Doors from Gracechurch-street). BIRTHS. On the 2d inst., the lady of the Rev. Sir George Robin ° of a daughter. On the 18th ult., at Birmingham, Mrs. Henry Rae late Miss Louisa Jarman), of a son. On the 3d inst., at Rochester, Mrs. Ternan, of the Thelire Royal, the Drury-lane, of a daughter. eet , On 2d inst., the lady of John Guy, Esq., Robert -sir Adelphi, surgeon, of a son. On the sth inst., in Upper Norton-street, Portland-Pliee' Mrs. George Cock, of a son. the On the sth inst., at Htupur-street, Queen-square, of John Shaw, Esq., of a daughter. MARRIED. On the sth inst., at Kingston Church, Hants, Henry 11 - a !f r i, Esq., only son of the late William Hase, Esq., of Lti:;enbati_To, to Mary Jacintha, youngest daughter of Major Weston V" late 2dDragoon Guards. On the 3d ult., at St. Pancras New Church, l' l2 4,rain James White Holt, of Chatham-place, Illackfriars, tO %oil third daughter of Mrs. Hitchings, of Bernard-street , R u " square, relict of the late George Hitchings, of Bath. tQ On the 2d inst., at Paddington, G. A. Harrison , Julia, only daughter of Ralph Cordner, Esq., of Slough,: n i e - r ick On the sth inst., at All Saints, Sluthampton , rre or , of ' Bayard klton, Esq. of the:Madras Civil S erv ice, younge 6l 4 h ire, the late T. Elton, Esq., of Stapl e t on -h ouse , liloucestel rad to Diary Elizabeth, daughter o f E. A . El ton . E s q., and g o urtt daughter of Sir Abraha m El ton, B art., o f Clevedon -c Somersetsbire. D lED. On the 28th ult., i n Southampton-street, Strand' gr. Charles Snow, formerly of Windsor, aged 85. late On the 2d inst., a t Hornsey, Thomas Spoo ne r, FOP' George-yard, Lombard-street,aged 79. &W I On the 3d in s t., at Cheshunt Charlotte Snell Chau°°l' daughter of the late Charles Snell Chauncy E.g. f the n the 3d in s t., J ane Catherine, wife ciMr. Grieve, °- Theatre Royal, Drury-lane. At Sydney, o n th e 28th o f August last, Francis Burn Al n on e c e u ri r : Esq., only son o f th e l a t e C a pt a in John Moncur, R.N ., "" r " c f with. I enden: Printed and Published by MURDO YO L • iu No. 112, Strand, at Vie Sun Office. No. 1 12 . Si , "° ' the r:outity of Middleo.x.—Friday, March 8. 163 P. - Az, lON. TUE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, MARCH H 39 EVENING EDITION