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IMPERIAL PAR LIAMEN T. HOUSE OF LORDS. Arn.u, 95. CHELTENHAM and GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY. Tile 'Earl of MALMESBURY presented a petition from a Noble Lord, a Member of that House, in favour of the Junc tion Railway between Cheltenham and the Great Western Lard DACIZE presented a petition from Bath to the same effect. OBSERVANCE OF THE LORD'S DAY. Lore. ROLLE' presented a petition front a parish in Devon shire for the better observance of the Sabbath. Lord BURLINGTON presented a petition from the Wes leyan Methodists to the same effect. FACTORIES. Lord KENYON presented a petitiOn, praying for a reduc tion of the time of lablur in factories. MR. BUCKINGHAM'S CLAIMS. Lord H AT U E RT ON presented a petition from Portsmouth and Portsea in favour of M. Bucki►l;ham's "MUNICIPAL CORPORATION BILL. Lord HAT I-1 E RT ON presented a petition from the inhabi tants of the town r:1 Yeovil, praying that it might be included in t'ne • schedule of Corporations, or that some means might be ten of doing them that justice which they considered. they had been improperly deprived of, by the pr , :sent Municipal Corporation Act.—( H , :,ar, hear.) The petitioners stated that the town of Ycovil contained upwaids of 6,000 inhabitants, and that it had a larger popula tion than any of the boroughs in the schedule, with the excep tion of three. Under these circumstances, they considered they were fully entitled to their prayer. Lord LYND HURST presented petitions from the pro prietors of the Morning Herald,. Morning Post, and Standard newspapers, complain;:fig of the clause restricting the size of Newspapers unde . : the New Stamp Consolidation Bill,and stating that all the capital which they have expended will be thrown away, anti consequently injurious to their interest. They also complain e d that the measure was unjust, inasmuch as a particular Morning Paper which supports his Majesty's Go vernment was taken as a standard, and any paper of larger size was chargeaUe with duty. They also stated that a prohibi tion of the double sheet would seriously injure the revenue. —( lica.r, hear.) It was also opposed to the professed prin ciple of the Bill itself, inasmuch as it was a restriction on the circulation of knowledge. Lord GODE RIC H was Chancellor of the Exchequer when the additional tax on a double sheet was taken off. This tax was considered as most oppressive to the newspapers, and he should be glad to hear upon what grounds it was now to be renewed. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that no Bill had been brought in on the subject to which the petition referred. When any measure was brought before the House, Le would be prepared to answer the objection stated by the pztitioners. —(Hear.) Many cf the topics referred to denv:,:uded enquiry and the disposition of the Government - was, to place every por tion of the Press upon an equal footing. _ SABBATH_OBSER:IANCE. The Bishop of EXETER P:iesented ap — et it o n from the Clergy and laity of the Cit:y of Exeter and other places, praying for some regulatir,n to promote a better observance of the Sabbath. Th'4 Right Reverend Prelate thought the best mode of Plomoting the objects of the petitioners would be by increaF:mg the number of places of public worship. MUNICIPA:u REFORNI (IRELAND) BILL.) Lord LYY.DHURST presented petitions from Cork and other place-i in Ireland against the Irish Municipal Bill. SPIRIT LICENSES-(IRELAND.) In aQ!*,,wer to a question from Earl Wicklow, Lorcl DUNCANNON stated that a Bill would shortly be introd•aced in the other House on this subject. CONSTABULARY (IRELAND) BILL. - Lord DUNCANNON, in Consequence of certain returns =loved for by a Noble Friend of his, would move that this Bill be postponed till Monday. _ _ Lord ROSEBERY brought in a Bill for the amendment of the laws affecting landed property in Scotland, which was read a first time. A NOBLE LORD begged to know whether his Majesty's Mi nisters had instructed. the Chancellor of the Exchequer to bring in any Bill to equalize taxation in the city of Limerick. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE admitted that inequalities prevailed in respect to the taxation of Limerick ; but as this was a local quest...mn, he did not think a Government measure should be introduced on the subject. The Earl of LIMERICK said that this was not a question their Lord ships could entertain. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, APRIL 25. TI - .10 SPEAKER took the chair this day at the usual hour. A. Messenger from the East India House presented returns relative to claims for compensation, pursuant to order. WESTMINSTER HOSPITAL. On the motion of Mr. BYNG, the Westminster Hospital Incorporation Bill was read a third time and passed. DEWSBURY AND EALAND ROAD BILL Mr. GA SKELL moved the second reading of the Dews bury and Ealand Road Bill. DUBLIN AND DROGHEDA RAILWAY. Mr. BRADY presented a petition in favour of the Coast line of railway between Dublin and Drogheda. DUNBAR RAILWAY. Mr. R. STEWART presented a petition against the Dunbar Railway Rim SOUTHAMPTON DOCKS. _ _ On the motion of Mr. B. HOY the Southampton Docks' Bill was read a second time. BIRSTAL AND .HUDDERSFIELD RAILWAY. Mr. BLAGKBURNE moved the second reading of the Birstal and Huddersfield Railway Bill. MIDLAND COUNTIES' RAILWAY. Mr. GISBORNE brought up the report of the Com mittee on this Bill ; he also presented a petition from coach proprietors of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, against certain clauses of the Great Northern Railway Bill. SOUTH EASTERN RAILWAY. Mr. BARNARD presented a petition from an individual, praying that the South Eastern Railway Bill, as it now stood, might not pass into a law. The Hon. Member also presented a petition against the North of England Railway. DUBLIN AND DROGHEDA RAILWAY. Mr. G. YOUNG presented a petition against the Dublin arid Drogheda Railway. CLYDE AND FORTH NAVIGATION. On the motion of Mr. W. F. CAMPBELL, the Clyde and Forth Navigation Bill was read a third time and passed. STIRLING CANAL. The HON. MEMBER then gave notice, that on Thursday next he should move that the promoters of the Stirling Canal Bill be allowed to proceed, notwithstanding the report of the Standing Orders Committee. Mr. W. PATTEN presented a petition from Preston, in favour of the Preston Ilailway Bill. Mr. POTTER, presented two petitions from individuals whose property would be affected by the Bill, praying that it might not pass into a law. On the motion of Mr. TOOK E, Hodges' Divorce Bill was read a third time and passed. CAMBRIDGE RAILWAY, Mr. LAW presented a petition 'from four hundred and twenty gentlemen of the University and Town of Cambridge, in favour of the Cambridge and London Railway. Sir T. B A RING presented a petition in favour of the South Durham Railway Bill. Sir T. FREMANTLE brought up the Report of the Ldeds Railway Bill. STANDING ORDERS. Lord CLEMENTS, as Chairman of the Standing Orders Committee, wished to take the advice of the Chair upon a point connected with the Standing Orders. A petition, which complained that the Standing Orders had not b ee n c om pli e d with in some particular case, had been lost, and the question was, whether a copy of the petition might be substituted? The SPEAKER. thought that a copy of the petition might be substituted, if both parties agreed to do so. HARLOW AND EPPING ROAD BILL. On the motion of Sir J. WROTTESLEY this Bill was read a third time. ISLINGTON MARKET BILL. The Marquis of CHANDOS presented several petitions from the farmers of Buckinghamshire against this Bill. MANCiHESTER AND LEEDS RAILWAY. Mr. WOOD presented a petition from the inhabitants of Halifax, in favour of the Manchester and Leeds Railway. OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBATH. Mr. LAWSON presented a petition from York for the better observance of the Sabbath. toI.TTY ON SPIRIT. _ _ The Hon. MEMCER also presented a petition from the Li censed Victuallers of Gloucester against any additional duty on spirits. MIDLAND COUNTIES RAILWAY. Mr. PARK ER presented a petition from Sheffield against the Midland Counties Railway Bill. Mr. LABOIJCHE RE presented a petition from various persons who had attended the late assizes at the county of Somerset, complaining of the great length of time they were delayed at Taunton, to their great inconvenience, and the se rious expence of the parties who were engaged in the causes there pending, and praying that the House would take into its immediate consideration the best means of preventing such in convenience and expense. Also a petition from the same place, in favour of a Bill for the better observance of the Lord's Day. Mr. CRAVEN BERKELEY presented two petitions from congregations of Wesleyan Methodists, with a similar prayed•, Also a petition from Tewkesbnry against the Isling ton Market Bill. TITHES (IRELAND). Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD presented petitions from Kiigiver, Kilmeena, Mayo, Ballyhean, and Breafy, parishes in county Mayo, all praying for the total extinction of tithes ; from Knockbreda, Ball water, and Dunsford , county Do wn ; from O range of Doagh, Donegore and Kilbride in the County of Antrlin, and from Ballymacreen in the County of London derry, to the same effect. Those from the County of Down Were signed by Presbyterians for the most part, and they prayed for the abolition of the I?egium Donuni, and that every Church should be supported by the voluntary contributions of their own members. As there would be an opportunity this evening of debating this question at length, he would not tres pass on the House by any observations in support of the petitions. Viscount CLEMENTS presented several petitions from the county of Leitrim, to the same effect. Mr. WILLIAM ROCHE presented three petitions from Limerick, to the same effect. Sir WILLIAM BRABAZON presented three petitions from the county of M a y o, two of them fromtwo of the princi pal towns, Balinrobe and Ballina, and the third from the parish of Turlough, most numerously and respectably signed, pray ig the tots! extinction of tithes. Mr. BARING pre3eated several petitions from the, eonnil o! Cork, on the same subject. SALMON FISHERIES (SCOTLAND). Captain GORDON presented a petition from some place in S-otland praying for regulations with regard 1, the Salrnbil Fisheries. - - Mr. WALLACE presented 'petitions from Ayr, Renfrew, and other places on the same subject. SABBATH OBSERVANCE. Lord C. MANNERS presented a petition from . 'Wesleyali Methodists, praying for th e better observance of the Sabbath, J URISDICTION OF ',:eiAGISTRATES. Mr. C. BERKE I '..:; presented, a retitl'on, signed -by 1,300 irdial72,lan.lts of‘ Gloucester, Vt:4ing that the powers of 111. i 45trates in criminal tn'es should be enlarged. Mr. WALI,,AtiE then presented a petition pra,ying that the Atteliey tax might be abolished ; a petition against my grant of the public money b e i ng ma d e to th e h ar b our i n Wales pointed out as a packet station; one in favour of 1-1-()13 - 11e . ad harbour ' • and one from th e M ayor an d B a iliff s o f Pollockshavv, fur the abolition of flogging in the army. OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBATH. Mr. FOSTER presented petitions f;m — N 7 4alsh am and several places in Stafford for the better observance of the Lord's Day. Dr. BOWRTNG presented a petition from the elders of a congregation of Wesleyan Methodists in Cumberland, praying Oiat they may be allou-edto celebrate marriages in private houses. The Hon. Member gave notice, that on the Dissenters' Mar riage Bill going into Committee he should move the introdue-. tion of a clause to extend its provisions to the Channel !;, ands. Mr. SHAW, and a number of other MembP - ..5, presented petitions, praying fir the better observance of the Sabbath. _ . _ Hr. PARROTT presented peti' . :Lons from eleven parishes in the county of Devon, pranng tho House altogether to reject the English Tithq Bill, as it was most unjust in many of its provisions, 'ooth to the tithe payer and the tithe receiver. Colonel CONOLLY presented a petitition from Done gal, praying for the introduction of Poor Laws into Ireland. Mr. LEADER presented a petition from the licensed victuallers of Bridgewater, complaining of being obliged to shut up their houses at early hours, while others were al lowed to keep their's open to a much later period. Mr. P. STEWART presented a petition from Strathspey, praying for an alteration in the salmon law of Scotland, Mr. It. STEWART presented a petition from a parish in Bucks in favour of Mr. Buckingham's claims ; not a single person who had signed the petition was acquainted with Mr. Buckingh am . . OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBATH. Sir J. I-lEATHCOTE presented a petition from Exley, praying for the better observance of the Lord's Day._ GREAT NORTH OF ENGLAND RAILWAY. Mr. PEASE presented petitions from the gentlemen, landowners, farmers, traders, and others of Hartlepool, Stokes, Stockton, and some places in the county of York, in favour of the Great North of England Railway; also a peti tion from a congregation of the Wesleyan Methodists in York shire, praying for the better observance of the Sabbath. TITHES. Lord EBRINGTON presented several petitions from De vonshire, Durham, Chipstead, and other places, against certain provisions in the English Tithe Bill, also a petition from Devonshire against the Turnpike Trusts' Bill; and an other petition, praying for the repeal of the additional duty upon spirit licences. He believed the majority of the peti tioners had never before taken any part in the discussion of this question. Sir ROBERT INGLIS presented a petition on the same subject from the owners of tithe property, stating that they did not receive their property from Parliament, and praying that it may not now be interfered with ; also a petition for the better observance of the Lord's Day ; also a petition against any measure likely to increase the number of spirit-shops, and stating that they were already so numerous that a person c•Juld go into a different one on every successive day in the year. Mr. BRADY presented a petition from Armagh, praying for a settlement of the tithe question._ - MAYNOO'i'H COLLEGE. Sir G. STRICKLAND presented a petition from the Royal Burgh of Stirling against the grant to the College of Maynooth. The Hon. Bart. also gave notice that he should feel it his duty when the Irish Miscellaneous Estimates were brought forward, to take the sense of the House on the grant to that College. TITHES--(IRELAND.) Lord MORPETH presented petitions from the grand jurors and land-o.vners of Mayo, from the grand jurors and landed proprietors of Longford, and a parish in Cork, all praying for an alteration in the tithe system. Mr. BINGHAM BARING presented a petition to the same effect. TITHES (IRELAND). That part of his Majesty's speech, with reference to the subject of Tithes in Ireland having been read, and the House having resolved itself into a Committee for the purpose of taking it into consideration, Lord MOR PETH rose, and addressed the Committee as follows :—Mr. Bernal—lf I rise upon the present occasion with anything short of,:the feeling of confidence and alacrity which ought to accompany the introduction of a measure in this House, Wiz from the circumstance that I made a similar at tempt last year, and now renew it, with the depressing knowledge of a former failure. In stating that I must be allowed to say that I have not permitted any personal considerations to enter into my mind upon thie ino.t impurtqnt subject -(1-lear, hear, hear)—in intro ducing this measure, I have no desire whatever of intruding labour or responsibility on any one, or of exciting any disagree ments among any party. Ido not feel any difficulties from that ; but that which I feel is the natural and inherent diffi culties of the case, which are sufficient to create anxiety in any one. I will not attempt to say that I can surmount those difficulties; but they join their testimony against all further de lay, disappointment, or doubt. lam aware that indications of a contrary description have not been wanting; for I find, in the course of the present Session, that a petition has been presented either to this or the other House of Parliament, from the diocese of Tuam, Ardagh, and Clonfert, and in that petition it was stated that, with all due submission and deference to the House, they desire to disabuse their Lordships' minds against the impression that tithes could not be collected in Ireland. They then detailed the circumstances which took place throughout the country under the proceedings of the Lay Association, and they then state that they have good reason to expect that under the law as it stands at present—under the 3d and 4th William IV. they will in a short time have the un disturbed possession of their rights and dues—they therefore prayed their Lordships' House not to alter the law unless they had previously ascertained that the provisions of the substituted one would be as efficacious as the law at present is. Now, Sir, I certainly read this expression of opinion with some surprise. I do not mean to convey any censure upon the petitioners. Whatever, Sir, during these discussions may have been my feelings—whatever may have been the remarks made upon the part which I have felt it my duty to take, and the principles which I have riot hesitated to avow—from me, Sir, the Irish clergy will meet with no slight—f rom me th ey s h a ll meet with no disrespect ; but I must, Sir—l am bound to dissent from the opinions con tained in the document now read by me.—( Hear, hear, hear.) I admit, Sir, that a somewhat larger amount of Tithe has been collected this year than in last year, or in any of those preceding ; still I believe that the entire amount collected, even during the last year, is in the first place greatly inadequate to the dues and wants of the clergy. Above all, Sir, at the same time, what has been collected has been by a sort of compromise in many cases, coming from good feeling and good will towards the clergy, in others paid .from a sense of what was due to the law ; but in the majority of cases the parties have been actuated by their fears. The magnificent contribution of the British public bears upon this point, and sure I am that no one will be found to pretend that it ought to be looked upon as a permanent source of endowment for the Irish clergy. Sir, whatever might be the opinions of a part of the clergy, sure am I that these are not responded to by the great body of that respectable class.—( Hear, hear, hear.) Amon.. the communications' which I have received my self, I will merely refer to one letter which was addressed to me when I had only given notice of my intention to alter the day upon which I intended to bring in this Bill. Upon that occasion I received the following 'letter : " The clergy of Tuam have heard with dismay of the postponement of the Irish Tithe Bill, and as Vicar-General and ordinary of the diocese, it is my duty to give them any informa tion in my power ; and as I have to meet many of them next week, and I know that they have stayed proceedings for the recovery of their income, in the hope that the subject will be brought on without delay, I can only say for them, as well as myself, that I hope no longer delay will be s'iffered to take place, as hope deferred maketh the heart sick.' " The letter proceeded to state, that in the present state of the country the clergy could not proceed to recover their tithes but with the hazard of their own lives, and the persons em ployed by them. I must remark that this letter is at variance with the opinions expressed by the petition I have just read. I think, therefore, that a campliance with the advice to leave things in their present condition would, in the first instance, be most disastrous to the Irish Clergy, But would it be very acceptable to the Irish landholders ?—( Hear.) On this head, I beg to call the attention of the House to the language of two petitions which I have already presented, and which from the character and feelings of the persons who signed them, must be assumed to be most unsuspicious and pregnant documents, with a view to the elucidation of their opinions upon this head. The Grand Jury of Mayo state that they have viewed with alarm the unhappy state to which the country is reduced by the present tithe system, and they are anxious to call attention to its vexatious operation. —( Hear, bear.) They have beard with much surprise and regret the assertions of certain tithe proprietors, that the law, as it at present exists, is sufficient for the recovery of tithes. Al though attempts have been made in many instances, they were attended with ruinous expense to the landowners, and in some instances with loss of life ; they, therefore, prayed the House to take into consideration the un happy state of the law on this subject, so pregnant with evil to all classes, and that they would pass such 1 egislative enactments as would remedy the present evils, an d lead to a general submission to the law. A petition to the same ef fect I have also presented this evening from the Grand Jury of the County of Longford, signed by many of the Magistracy, and landholders of the county, and during the limited Period which I have been officially connected with Ireland, and my casual intercourse with society, several instances have come to my knowledge of gentlemen who have paid their tithes, but who found it necessary to accompany the p ay ment with a caution that it was to be kept an impenetrable secret, which is certainly a novel mode of treating a legal charge, and I think the House had early in the present Session an came. it, in a letter read by the Hon. and Learned Member for Tipper. ry, which I felt at the time, and which the House felt also, w ca written in a spirit of great credit to the Honourable arid Learned Gentleman.—(Hear.) They had in that letter THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, APRIL 26, i&36 a very striking proof that the lades of vindicating the law, aisi upholding the just claims of property, about which so much se'sitastible, vay easy in point of execution, when we find the asss 'So Often trt.'y glibly said, i 4 riot ) however, abstra cted ly in- Ilon. and Learned Member for Tipperary, with all his talents polmlar cause s feele that all these V. old weigh very and influence : and after certainly no very backward su pp ort of lisshtly In tte eat : 4o46on . ot attedsed t eonstiteents, iii oppo sition to the dat nn in , s , ', evidence of the ctisenarge of a legar ILI granting for a moment that success so far at tae present course of proceeding, as the clergy, would receive their dues under the law as it at, pk'esVeat would ask, would Hon. Gertleenellsonici the Ititts t e be re . - conciled to the tAinary, habitual, , and . fl'6ll.2yetifi*eni'mit of thotc! 'Means an pkoceSSei, 4 ivhi - ai t antib s eh `r11 , 34, all appearance, that OMeet cln Ve's 'Atari - lest 7 1 pais over all the variety ilia .‘.hter of applications which, during , the whole ffeent series of Irish administration ' s; hate been Continually poured in on the executive boVehliiient for the assistance of the soldiery et police in the collection of Tithes ; because witheet the blame ensere that may be tisiinght On the one side Or the other to attach to the conduct of anv, ()o vernment in individual ios'sartes, they must at present, and until some palpablt eit'aation in the law is effected, constitute the general character of the executive policy under all adriiinistra tions there, and all ministries here: But 1 14111 iceairici the ileiise of the very latest reatare which has merke( l . the present mode of it' applitatiee its irelanst the last despatches from that mmtpaign—as the. tale: Lion of the revenues of the eleirch mq, alas I without a metaphor be now termed—the enforcement of writs of rebellion, and particularly by night, under circum stances of considerable outrage, had led to so much excite ment in some places, particularly in the county of Kildare, as to induce the Lord Lieutenant, after the decisionin the Exche• quer Court, to order the aid of the police to he given to the Commissioners of rebellion when required. He (the Lord Lieutenant) found himself compelled to issue an order that they should not extend their enforcemcnts by night.— But it seems that notwithstanding the disposition of the Executive to afford every protection to those appointed to administer the law as interpreted by the Judges in Ire land, the police force, in almost every instance, has been found to be totally inadequate to the perfor mance of such a duty. The Noble Lord then proceeded to read a letter received from a chief constable of police, asking the advice of the Government as to his manner of proceeding in a case where the party under his command were attending a coroner's inquest at the time be was called upon to aid the Commissioners appointed to execute a writ of rebellion—and also expressing a hope that, without the aid of a very considerable force, there would be imminent danger of the shedding of blood. He also introduced to the notice of the House a communication recently received from a gentleman, whose name he would mention—Mr. Browrigg--and he quoted from his letter the more willingly, as he was generally supposed to belong to the class of persons who did not ingratiate themselves with the Irish people— ( Hear, hear)—wo were favourable to his Majesty's present Administration. Speaking of a man named Daniel Flynn and others, Commissioners of rebellion, who called for assistance in the execution of the writ, he felt it his duty to state there were not four persons more disorderly,drunken,and unfit for the duty in the entire country; they were the worst description of common bailiffs.—( Hear.) I submit, then, that looking to the present state of the country, to the interpretation put upon the law, to the feelings and disposition of the entire community, there can be no means of insuring the peace and prosperity of Ire land till this question is satisfactorily adjusted—till we arrive at some settlement more consonant with the feelings of the people. The whole question demands that we should immediately carry some settlement into effect—it is alike demanded by the ' state of society—by the claims of the proprietors and by the feelings of the peasantry, who abhor, and have suffered hardships under the state of things as they now exist. I could refer, the House to other communications from different parts of Ireland, all tending to show that upon the abolition of the present system depends the peace of Ireland ; and until that is effected the happiness and prosperity of that country must be indefinitely hazarded and postponed. Having now stated the reasons which have placed upon the Go vernment the duty of bringing in a measure, I will proceed to state what the general principles of that measure are ; and here I will say, that having already, in the course of the last year, fully stated the details of the measure then proposed, I feel it will be unnecessary for me to trespass now at any consi derable length upon the attention of the House ; and I shall, therefore, content myself by stating where the present Bill agrees with the former, and where it differs, for I am sure the general principles are in the recollection of most people ; so that I may merely notice where we depart from them, and where they are still preserved.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Where those provisions have been altered, or fresh matter has been substituted in their stead, I will endeavour to offer an adequate, though, I trust it will not require a very lengthened explanation. The Bill, then, which I now ask the leave of the House to introduce follows the precedent of three previous Bills, and I believe four successive Administrations, in converting the Tithe composition into a rent charge payable by the owners of the first estate of inheritance. The Bill preserves those terms of commutation, which in the Bill of last year were adopted by both Houses of Parliament, and therefore I think it ought not to be altered without sufficient cause, by conferring a deduc tion of 30 per cent. upon those subject to the payment of the tithe composition. I have said I think it is not expedient, without sufficient cause, to alter the terms of the commutation proposed by the Bill of last year, but there are some circum stances which have since taken place—the rejection of another Bill, the lapse of another year, and a variety of proceedings that have been instituted in the Law Courts of Ireland, whether under the sanction of the Lay Association or otherwise— which induce me to think that I could not either be comingly or successfully invite the House to apply any remaining portion of the national funds in the payment of the arrears of past years.—( Cheers.) The attempt would in volve us in numberless complications. Ido not either propose to impose any further burthens on the perpetuity fund of this country. I am sure I for one deeply lament departing from do ing full justice or renderinc , complete relief to any body of men illegally deprived of their dues, or undeservingly sustaining pri vations ; but this is an act accumulating evil, which every fresh postponement of the measure inevitably carries along with it, and proportionably must extend and aggravate. At the same time I shall abstain from requiring repayment of the sums already advanced under the late Act, amounting to 637,0001. ; and s although there are some persons from whom the demand might properly be made, yet I am perfectly convinced the attempt to recover it would not repay the expense of pen, ink, and paper, which would be employed in the de mand.—( Hear, hear.) But, Sir, my opinion is, it would increase the renewal of demands upon the occupying te nantry, whom all along it has been our first and foremost object to relieve. Now upon this, which has always been an undisputed portion of the Bill, some doubt has been expressed as to the quarter where the collection of the rent charges to be substituted for the tithe compositions, ought to be lodged. In the Bill of last year we proposed to in trust the collection to his Majesty's Commissioners of Woods and Forests, with the intention of rendering the collec tion as available as it was possible to the clergy, which we considered only a just equivalent for the large permanent deduction of their income. This proposition was objected to on the one side, upon the ground that it had the tendency to put the charge in the condition of a salary and stipend on the State ; and it might have been felt, on the other hand, that it was pledging the income of the clergy to out goings, which it might be thought proper at all times to guarantee as much as possible. Without, then, seeking to decide at present what weight ought to be attached to these respective representations, with a view to a permanent arrangement, we have thought the exigency of now realizing the proper rent in the manner most likely to be effec tual, and least productive of collision between the clergy and the laity, far over-balances any theoretical objections on the other side—( Hear, hear)—and we therefore propose to entrust the collection of the rent charges to the Board of Woods and Forests for a period of seven years ; and without venturing to anticipate what the then state of affairs might be, I propose that it should continue for as long after wards, till Parliament shall otherwise direct. We hope by this provision to adopt the best method for meeting the disordered and complicated state of affairs with which we have always to deal, while we avoid the appearance of laying down any permanent rule of interference of a better, for the free judgment of those who, we hope, will have to exer cise it under circumstances of diminished difficulty and sub dued excitement. We renew the provisions for allowing a re-valuation of the present tithe composition in the cases, and under the limitations specified in the Bill of last year, be cause we believe that those limitations only admit of slight grievances, while they clearly shut the doors against all false and frivolous pretences. More valid objections to the re-valuation might be made, but as another year has brought us more near to the time when the valuation may be made upon the averages, we provide that as to the rent charges the corn averages shall govern tithe composition. This, Sir, seems to me all that is necessary for me to state with respect to that part of the Bill which relates to immediate arrangements, and affects present incumbents. I am now, therefore, arrived a t that part of the subject which is still smo ki ng w ith the heat of former conflicts; and 'I assure you, Sir, that I do not approach this part of the subject with any feelings of pride or boast. I do not come with the hope of renewing or provoking any new and fierce conflict. lam sure that I need not pause to answer some charges which have been made against us, for the answer we gave to the question of the Right Hon. Bait. ( Sir R. Peel) the other evening,—l am sure the Right Hon. Bart., and any one else who was in the House, will acquit my Noble Friend ( Lord J. Russell) of any wish to deceive him in the House, and we understood the question to go no further than whether there would be anythin g in the resolution which would di v id e t h e House.—( Hear, hear, from Sir R. Peel.) Sir, I witt .now, without disguise or circumlocution, state what the intentions lasted s w ta h n of his Majesty's Government are. In fact the y f eel that they cannot abandon the declaration s and p rinci p les wi th which they undertook the Government. — ( Immense cheer ing.) They feel that they cannot abandon or g ive u p i n any degree the principle of appropriation. — ( Lon g -continue d che g e e ri n n i g e : They feel, Sir, that they cannot s hake off the andengagements— s(eCvhereaelrsmin House.)be,if in t t e h n i o s r p o of r ti on that of thee engagement revenu es of the Irish Church, or any portion , s hould in their vie w seem to minutes)—under te s )_laughterunder whichf ro they the conceive Opposition, which of doing justice to the Irish people._( Chee rin g from th e Ministerial they they sid e side of conceive c the i e to be superfluous, for the legitimate and becomin g us es of the members of the community, it should , after the satisf action of all the t A he nd futu future existing interests, be applied to the religious and moral education of the entire Irish people.—( Great cheering.) In pursuance of and in conformity with this principle, they do not refuse, nay, they are anxious, to obviate any just or admissible objections which may have been brought forward upon the last discussion of their measure against the mode of carrying the object into effect. —( Hear, hear.) They hat e every incli nation to protect and adjust the details, and they w ill nky deference to any suggestions from any quarter, provided they adhere steadily and in good faith to the Osseritial On this occasion I feel that I may consider, as estaiiiidlt, 4 d conceded, the principle that Parliament has a right to deal with the revenues of the Church if it - shall think them swperfluous for Church purptiie---:( . Hear; hear, and cheers)—because so long as the resolution adopted by the present Parliament stands on our books uncanOellCd and unrepealed, I have undoubtedly a right to take dlid O. 1 110:156, Oi' Cdf- -.•Solu t e p ip or ie tio a d s i • ii ii r o : Limes*, is Is " - sis;s; P 4 it; ,they piepse, object to that het jt is cirlY lo tlje i•espensibintv, enst. di scr etion of this !louse that 1 am Oboe t 0 9µbtiiit. Hid iiieiloe: ieifienibered by the Conimittee that tint fcritoB for 'eftecilng last year; was the Sus in tqe s iiiirnb'er of the • fifty. Hear) notien caused much opposit ion and membeiS ,Of the Established Church (lid n ot drtiOni 56 ( ii , issahatiorij btlt I Fha ll sidriSidet it perfectly tenable. However, perhaps in will be in the recoltedtidd cif FIoV, ctentlemen that the m ai n opposition against the Bill did not id inhelt linV of euspending benefices as with out it. Now supposing all td d Fels thrilljfieti and that you leave out of slew those polishes td Which yotir pelf - 100e of suspension do not apply; idol{ to thdse parishes td principle dottyadd sec lid* little godd ydu cad for lilt people ? There will be churches withedf ethigle,gatiOne, arid flocks without a pastor. The Noble Lord then read peli elf the speech of Sit Robert Peel, in which he deprecated the resolutions This Ido not dispute; but must see how fat I can act upon This lied bete brought forward by Governme nt. it consistently with what I think justly due to the itiferesfs of all the parties to any scheme of general adjustment, fur in order to anticipate the slightest chance of success, those parties must constitute the Irish nation itself. Accordingly we propose that in any future vacancy of a hetteflee, are should, proceeding as before to award compensation for the patedefige of private individuals in possession of the advowson, the Lord Lieu tenant should direct the Board of Ecclesiastical Commissioners now sitting in Dublin to submit to the Privy Council a report containing all the particulars relating to the va cant benefice • and a Committee of the Privy Council will be established with a view to this especial purpose, con sisting exclusively of members of the Established Church, and named by his Majesty. To this Committee all power will be entrusted for altering the boundaries of vacant bene fices, subject to such modifications as subsequent vacancies of contiguous benefices may require to be carried into effect. —( Hear.) This part of the scheme was not contained in the suggestions of the Right Hon. Baronet ( Sir R. Peel) ; but it follows closely the suggestions made by the Committee on the Bill of last year, by my Hon. Friend opposite the Member for Winchester (Mr. B. Baring) when persenting a petition this evening from certain Members of the Irish Church.—( Hear, hear.) The power thus entrusted to the Privy Council is similar and analogous to that which they possess of dealing with unions. I find that since the year 1718 to the present time, the Lord Lieutenant and the Privy Council have united 289 parishes into 94 benefices. The Committee, after fixing the boundaries of benefices, will then apportion such income as they may think proper, rela tive to the duties of the future incumbent..—(Hear, hear.) We propose in the same way that in all benefices, when it shall appear by the Report of the Commissioners of Public Instruc tion made last year, or by the evidence of the documents on which that Report was founded, that there will be in any future benefice from fifty to five hundred members of the. Established Church, the income of the clergyman shall not exceed 2001. per annum. And when the number of Pro. testants shall vary from 500 to 1,000 the income shall not ex ceed 300/. When the number varies from 1,000 to 3,000, the income shall not exceed 400/. Thus far I make use of the precise proposition of the Right Honourable Baro net opposite—(Laughter from the Opposition Benches) — according to the scale in the paper I have read to the House, but we add a little to each end of the scale. The Right Hon. Baronet did not advert to numbers below 50, as such was pro bably not consistent with the tenor of the argument he then used. Whenever this is the case, we assign an income not exceeding 1001., placing the incumbents, whose duty will be exceedingly light, on the footing of a tithe, to be paid at as liberal a rate as they are even now found to realise. And where the number of Protestants is 3,000 and upwards, which will apply chiefly to cities where the amount of duty will be probably greater, and the expense of living much greater,. we raise his income to 5001. Now, before I venture to talk of a surplus, I ought, in the first place to state to the Committee what I calculate to be the future available income of the Irish Church. The annual tithes pay able to the parochial clergy may at present be taken at 511,0001. —remitting 30 per cent., leaves the rent-charge at 353,0001. The Ministers money may be put down at 10,000/. less the expense of collection. Private bounty 5001., glebe lands 92,000/., and after deducting rent 86,5001. total 459,5501. Now I shall next proceed to state what we have to provide for 1,385 benefices. To these may be added a considerable number of sinecure benefices. Ido not mean those in which there are no members of the Esta blished Church, but those which are held by dig nitaries of the Church, and in which little or no duty is actually performed. There are also a considerable number of presentations suppressed by the Church Temporalities Act, divine service not having been performed in them during the last three years, but the number to be pro vided for may be taken at 1,250.—( Hear.) Under this Bill the Privy Council has the power to constitute new benefices, of which they are likely to avail themselves.—( Hear, hear, hear.) In the computations I have made, I have cast them at the very highest rate—for 129 benefices in which there are less than 50 members of the Established Church at 100/. a year, 12,900/. ; .for 670 benefices where the Protes tants vary from 50 to 500, at 2001. a year, 134,000/. ; for 209 benefices, where they vary from 500 to 1,000 at 3001. a year, 62,700/. For 188 benefices, where they vary from 1,000 to 3,000, at 4001. a year, 75,000/. For 54 bene fices, containing 3,000 and upwards at 5001. a year, 27,0001. Beside the income allowed to the future incum bents in hard cash, the Committee of the Privy Council are empowered to assign to ea c h Cl erg y man a cer t a i n appoint.‘ ve also amount o o pn f reo g op l r e o bsmee more r n he o a not tc ut e hr x ae c t exceeding r d ia i vt n y g ac p 3 o o auynm s c statute payment u ts h t o e af acres.—( haveS. per m power Hear, incumbent undert a ki ng t o prov id e 251. more . Thi s charge will be 18,8881. accor di ng to my ca l cu l at i on . Th e whole estimated ex p ense o f t h e Cl ergy o f I re l an d w ill th en be 361,938/., an d I h ave a l rea d y state d th a t we es ti ma t e th e whole revenu es o f t h e Ch urc h pro p er ty a t 459,5551. ; that will lea ve a sur pl us o f 97,612/. Thi s w ill a t once be :seen is a mu ch grea t er amount o f sur pl us than I hoped for last y ear; b u t m y reasons f or th a t h ave already been given. It wou ld b e presum pt uous i n me no w to pretend to perfect ac curac y i n th ese ca l cu l a ti ons , but, as far as It was possible, th e y h ave be en ma d e w ith a s trict regard to truth. — oa n ne e urr to , ) , ( Hear, hear.) After satisfying all these charges, we propose that the r e m a i n d e r sh o uld b paid into the Consolidated fund, upon which an immediate charge should be fixed of 50,0001. per annum for supplying the religious and moral education of the country. These are the principles of the measure I recommend for the adoption of the House. I do not pretend that there may not be grave objections made to some parts of the Bill ; it was impossible to bring in any measure upon such a subject to which they would not apply, but in his opinion there were but few to the present measure. Every one must admit that unless they determined to continue everything as it at present stood, or unless they, on the other hand, determined to abolish the whole of the establishment in Ireland, there would be most logical objections. None of those plans could be effected with perpetuating those conflicts and heartburnings which were now the curse of the country. He would not dissemble his opinion that if they were to go on repeat ing experiments year after year, and coming to no result, they might find that that which caused them to fight, and which raised them so much of angry debate had ceased to exist • that after they had brought up all their forces, and had fought the battle, they might find nothing but a lifeless corse in untenanted armour.—( Hear, and cheers.) I will not deny that you will be able to bring a large array of opposing force, but depend upon it you cannot command a force on which to rely against future campaigns.—( ffeer, hear.) The plan which we now propose goes far to obviate many of the objections urged against the Bill of last year, while it retains all its essential principles, and does not forego any of its probable results.—( Hear, hear.) As far as relates to the Clergy, the Bill will secure them an income falling below that perhaps to which they are now legally entitled, but greater than that which thay can hope to realize from the good will of the Irish landlords, the intimidation of the Irish peasantry, or I might add from the generosity of the British public. We do not propose to suppress any existing benefice in Ireland, On the contrary, on the occasion of a vacancy we call in the aid of a council which shall appoint a fitting tribunal, to which will be added the authority of another of the greatest authority and dignity, to ascertain the most advantageous manner of future apportionment of ecclesiastical territory, and the amount of an adequate income for the services rendered. The Noble Lord went on to review the leading features of his measure, stating that it would come into partial operation ; and would he subject to the concurrence and control of Parliament to remedy any errors, to supply any defects, or en tirely amend it. The Irish Church was compared to a missionary, and he wished to have it reduced, not in the amount of the income of its ministers, but to the simplicity and dignity of by-gone days. In speaking of missionaries he did not mean those classes of persons who had been holding forth in the cities, the towns, the watering places, or the theatres of Great Britain.—( Great cheers.) He believed that no class of men would be more benefited by it than the Clergy themselves. Happy, indeed, beyond all the efforts of legislators, and all the skill of statesmen, will be that day when from all her pulpits—Catholic and Protestant, Episcopal and Dissent ing—lreland shall learn to raise no longer fierce denun ciations of reciprocal errors, but shall remain in the holy bond of brotherly forbearance and Christian peace. Sir, it is with these views and hopes—( Hear, hear, hear)—and the hopes of contributing to such a settlement which shall be conducive to these feelings, that I have now the honour to move that it is expedient to commute tithes for composition in Ireland, to a rent charge payable by by the first estate of inheritance, and to further provide for the better regulation of ecclesiastical duties. The Noble Lord sat down amid loud cheers. Sir R. PEEL—The Noble Lord has concluded his clear and able speech by moving resolutions which according to the expla nations he has given of the terms of these resslutions, and his intention of moving them, do not, as I apprehend, involve the House, or any part of it, in any necessity of expressing their dis sent to those resolutions. Understanding from the Noble Lord the Secretary of the Home Department to declare on Friday last that these resolutions were framed with a view of avoiding the necessity on first submitting them to the consideration of the House, of a hostile position. ( Hear, hear.) In the present state of the House, and considering die absolute neces cessity for future discussion, I will not enter into the subject but in acquiescing in the form of the pressnt resolutions I imust not be considered 'as waiving any objections. I have heretofore tweed against the principle involved in this tileasere,---( Loud cheers from the Opposition.) The Noble Lent it, the Bourse of his able speech, had appealed to him on one or two maffeie to which he should confine his remarks on this oeeasne;:. And first, the Noble Lord asked his testimony as ie n ether „ mu, : eiven to his question on .Friday last '-nt to an expression -of his tt' is coti . eideeed he , jeerievees.,.. g i ven last year . depertute freal the: piedeed seifieli - • A t o tO IL Was bolind id ely s W tieoi pechplir of the - submit a m ere formal resolution did ea ill , * that bus es." Government were prepared to abatidoi; thee 4 e former e!(*(7. - -e-(llear, hear.) At the same time, he could not lielee tfiet die& maS something in the expressions used by the ',PelsOe feeed thet , nit ht with reference to that part of the question, partieideli-ly whol+'e he mentioned his inability "to sleelee'et off"—( Great latieebtee)---there was something in the elenificahet *time with which that expression was accompanied, and which teal LIMA according to the models of the ablest orators, that did conelnee feine tleet he would have fled if he ac old from th e em barrassment of fleet question.—( Opposition clitiefg drei laughter.) The Noble Lord's manner and ap pearance, deileg fleet part of the speech, reminded him strongly of the graphic pictufe dereeirelly Horace, when lie says— Demitto auriculas ut Wye mentis asellus, Cum gravius dorso subiit onus— (much latightee, ire which Lord Morpeth joined.) He trusted tine Noble Lord would not consider him as intending to apply td Mai any expiessicm in the slightest degree offensive. The Noble Lora eotehl not imagine for a moment that he enter tained such a meanin`, when he called to mind that Horace addressed the expression .elrich he quoted to himself.— (Hear, lied laughter.) He could well believe that the Noble Lord was tray tine/isms to " shake off'' the troublesome incumbrance, but he foetid hireeelf in a state which'rendered it impossible for him to make the attempt with any chance of success.— Opposition cheers.) The etierend point in the course of the I^io le Lord's able seeech, which Is then felt called upon to notice, swig thee with refereece to his speech, an extract from which the Noble teoftl had read, With the respect which he entertained for the Noble leued'e attainments and abilities, he did feel some regret at being compelled to disewn the justness of the culogium which he had pronounced upon him. —at being compelled to restore those praises to those to whom they rs:_allY belonged.—( Hear, hear.) In order to show that he had no title whatever to the eulogium of the Noble Lord, it was only necessary for him to refer to the speech from which the Noble Lord had quoted, in which the following sentences immediately followed those which the Noble Lord had read ?—" I may be asked why I have assumed 2001. as the minimum of the scale of allowance to be made to parochial ministers ? My answer is not on any vague assumptions of my own, but on the acts and recorded declarations of the authors arid supporters of this Bill—(Opposition cheers,) The estimate is theirs, not mine—(Cheers again from the same quarter.) I may think 2001. (as I do think it) a very insufficient provision ; but I am arguing throughout on the principles of my opponents, and claiming their support of my proposal on Those princi ples."—(Much cheering.) The Noble Lord, therefore, having made a partial quotation from his speech, and thereby paid him a compliment which was meant for his own colleagues, he must restore it to the quarter to which it was really due. —( Hear, hear.) He made no concession whatever on the great principle which he, in common with his friends, op posed in the last Bill, but gave his assent to the formal mo tion, in order that he might be enabled to enter on the full and unshackled consideration of that principle, at a future stage of the measure,—(Cheers.) Lord STANLEY was understood to ask to what purpose it was proposed to apply the balance of 47,6171. beyond the sum of 50,000/. intended to be paid into the consolidated fund ? Lord MORPETH replied, that for some considerable time to come there could be no eiteplus under this head. He and the Government with which he was associated never could and never would be parties to its appropriation to any but reli gious purposes; it should be devoted in conjunction with the sum of 50,0001., already alluded to, to the religious and moral education of the people. Lord STANLEY retained the whole of the objections which he had so frequently and so earnestly pressed with re gard to the principle of appropriation, and he would only say that the speech he had just heard, proved to him clearly not only that the House had adopted the principle of appropriation unnecessarily, but that the Noble Lord felt himself compelled, for the purpose of creating a surplus, to do that which he (Lord Stanley) was convinced the Noble Lord himself be lieved to be an injustice and a hardship.—(Loud cheers from the Opposition benches.) In the opinion that it was extremely desirable to come to a final settlement of the Church ques tion, he entirely agreed with his Noble Friend ; but he could not agree with those of that House who, allowing that it was practicable to make such an alteration in the law as, while it should prove generally satisfactory, would not require any Members of the Legislature to violate principles , which they held to be sacred, contended that it was far from being desirable to do so, and that, no matter how useless or superfluous the adoption of the principle might prove, it was incumbent upon the Legislature to assert the right of Parlia ment to deal as it pleased with the surplus, or more properly speaking, contingent surplus revenues of the Church.—( Hear, hear.) What, in point of fact, was the gravamen of the Noble Lord's argument ? It was this :—" Feeling strongly as we do," observed the Noble Lord, " that it is the object of both sides of the House to come to an early settlement of this question, agreeing as we do in that object, aware as we are that it is an object, in the expediency of which both branches of the Legislature concur, we, the Government, tell you that we will not attempt to reform the Irish Church unless you acquiesce with us in the principle of appropriat ing its surplus revenues to such purposes as we may decide upon."—( Cheers.) And on what did that surplus depend? It depended upon the reduction of the income of every clergy man below 5001., which 500/. was only to be earned by a close attendance upon a cbngregation of three thousand souls.—(Cheers.) The evil in the Church Establishment throughout a great portion of Ireland being the immense extent of the benefices, the Noble Lord, for the sole and avowed purpose of creating a surplus, proposed to reduce the number of those benefices from 1,380, containing a propor tion of souls admitted to be much too large for the due per formance of the clerical duties to 1,250, necessarily con taining a much larger proportion. In other words, the evil being that the Clergy had too large a flock to attend to, the Noble Lord proposed as a remedy a measure by which those flocks must of necessity be considerably increased.—(Cheers.) It was, however, to his mind quite clear, that if Government left to every Irish clergyman for the support of himself and his family, and for the necessary distribution of charity among his parishioners, the miserable pittance the Noble Lord pro posed, the minimum being 1751., and the maximum 375/. that the whole of the surplus upon which he calculated would be altogether absorbed.—( Cheers from the Opposition benches.) By clinging, therefore, to an imaginary surplus—by clinging to the principle of appropriation in regard to a surplus which could only be made available by the adoption of a course calculated to increase the evil of the existing system, his Majesty's Government were about taking that course which must effectually prevent the two branches of the Legislature from coming to the so much-desired settlement of this question.—( Cheers.) How far they were justified in encoun teeing such a responsibility—such an awful responsibility, he must term it—he must leave to themselves and their con sciences to say.—( Loud cheering.) Lord J. RUSSELL—My Noble Friend is unable to re press his indignation, at the notion of the revenues of the Irish Clergy being in any respect rendered proportionate to the duties they shall have to perform.—(Cheers, and laughter. ) What, in point of fact, is the grievance?—that great and horrifying grievance against which my Noble Friend has pro tested, and to which, in terms of such combined alarm and wrath, he has called the indignation of the Commons of Eng land? Why simply that a Clergyman having to attend to 3,000 parishioners, should not have more than 500/. a year.-- ( Hear, hear.) Now let me fora moment remark what hitherto was the state of these Clergymen—of that body of which my Noble Friend has been so long the ardent and enthusiastic de fender? What was the case as regarded those Clergymen brought out by the discussions of last year? Was it not most clearly proved on the testimony of more than one individual, that in many instances there were absentee Clergymen receiv ing from their livings 8001. and 900/. a year, while the super intendence of their parishes was Committed to a curate receiv ing not more than 751. a year ?—( Loud cheers.) Sir, such was the state of things permitted, and continued even after the reform of the Church of Ireland, and now that my Noble Friend near me proposes that there shall in future be some proportion between the income to be received and the duties to be performed by the clergy, up starts my Noble Friend opposite, and in a speech of great brevity, but propor tionate acerbity, plainly evinces that the very idea of such a proposition excites his indignation, and calls for the expression of his determined hostility.—(Loud cheers.) If not in words, in substance at least, my Noble Friend tells us lie cannot bear that the stipend of the Irish clergy should be proportioned to the duties they shall have to perform; and so alarming in his eyes is the idea of such a proposition, that he finds it impossi ble to wait for that discussion which the Right Hon. Ba ronet promises shall take place upon the general question— a discussion which I have no doubt, as far as the Right Hon. Gentleman is concerned, will be conducted with all that temper and discretion for which he is so remarkable—but upon the occasion of a merely formal resolution he starts up to tell his Majesty's Government that by supporting this alarm ing proposition, they are likely to endanger the settlement of the Irish Church question.—( Cheers.) Doubtless it is through a desire to sh ow o ff t h rough the force of contrast the tempe rance and u nassum i ng ' b ear i ng of his Right Hon. coadjutor in opposition that my Noble Friend upon every possible occa sion enacts the Hotspur of his party. —(Cheers and lauehter.) It is clear lie has closely studied the character, and so ad mirably has he caught up the picture with Shakspeare drew, that there seldom passes an occasion upon which the hot-headedness of his declamation fails to get the better of his reason, and make him diverge from that more natural course, which the more prudent and less impetuous leader of his party lays down.—(Loud cheers.) Upon this principle, and on this principle alone, can I account for the Noble Lord's refusing to postpone his observations until the measure before the House comes to a more regular debate and discussion. For my part I shall wait for that debate.—(Hear, hear, hear.) It think it is wise and prudent to reserve the discussion until we can go into the details, and see whether or not the plan which my' Noble Friend pro poses is feasible and proper for our adoption.—( Hear, hear, hear.) Before I sit down I must say I fully admit to the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, that he did not, in submitting to us the proposition alluded to by my Noble Friend, offer it as a proposition good in itself, and in ac cordance with the principles he entertains; but rather as a proposition which, if our principles were to be adopted, was better than the proposition of the previous year. I must, however, say, I think my Noble Friend near me was jus tified in asserting that in one respect the authority of the Right Hon. Baronet was with him—conceding the principle of appropriation ; a principle which i and my colleagues _ ~ ---.--- never wish to shrink frc,m, or to parry—( Loud cheers)--'a prin ciple which we think it both right and p r oper w maintain, be cause it is one on which we believe the futu re of happiness of Ireland m us t d e p en d.—( Renewed cheering.) Conceding', I. say. the principl e of a p propriation, I maintain m y Noble Fri.et d jnstifi2d in appealing to the former speec hes of the llrf„lit lion. 131ronet, to show that as fa as his opinion went, the plan we now propose is wiser than that we forme rl y coniemplatco —( Hear.) I d o no t further wish to enter into this discussion, nor should'l have risen at all upon the present oc casion, bu t .. I felt it w as inc um b en t on me not to leave the manner in th e K,; . t,le Lord' s o bservations were delivered unnoticed. ) Lord ;*TANLEY di c ;:.‘ot rise to reply to any of the No ble Lord's iidspitt allusions, w Nch had clearly resulted frorn the quotation he fitel made some elf; .iing,3 past, hut which he had long since dismissed f rom hi s recollection. He only ro i r , to observe that the Noble Lord had compietelY argument. He was far from objecting to an appropriation of the revenues of the Church, in proportion to th.! duties pe.r formed, to the Clergy. All he had meant to say Wits, that , 1 ? r the purpose of establishing a principle which it i 5 probanie misstated would never be called into operation, his Majesty's L3orter? rnent were materially embarrassing a question upon the op 'enY and satisfactory settlement of which so much depended . Mr. FINCH wished to know whether the surplu.s revctor was to be applied to the religious and m oral education o f t e Protestant community exclusively , or of the community ge nerally? Lord MORPETH—It is to be applied to the morwal And religious education of all classes of the community itbollt distinction to sect.—( Cheers.) Mr. S. CRAWFORD gave no tice that on some future stage be should bring forward resolutio ns for the total aboli of. tithes in Ireland. Mr. F. BUXTON wished to kno w whether, in the e vent of the' increase or the extension of the Protestant religion in Ireland, any provision was made for the proportionate increase of the Church Establishment? Lord MORPETH replied that power would be given to the Privy Council to meet such an event. Mr. FINCH asked if he was to unde rstand from the Noble Lord's reply to the last question , that if in a parish where there were now but 300 or 400 Prote stants, the number w ire to increase to 600 or 700, the Privy Council would. be empowered to pyoportionally increase the number a clergy ? Lord MORPETH—CerNinIy. The Privy Council will have power to make provision for' such a case. Several other questions were - put to the Noble Lord. but owing to the confusion occasioned by Members,leavin the House, and the tone of voice which t he speakers ado g p ted, their purport was not ascertained in the Gallery. The resolution was then agreed to. The House having resumed; Mr. BERNAL reported the resolutions ; and upon t he mo tion of Lord Morpeth, leave was given t o brin g itt a fill its accordance therewith. In reply to a question from an Hon. Me mber, os o the Lord MORPETH intimated that he w ould not prop THE second reading of the Bill until BUDGET. the 16th May. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXC HE Q UER. intimat.i that he was under the necessity of pos t p onin g his financial statement from Friday next, to that day se'nnight. ECCLESIASTICAL LEASES BILL. Upon the motion of the SOLICITOR-GENERAL, the Ecclesiastical Leases Bill was read a second time. The Aliens Registration Bill was read a third time and passed. REGISTRATION OF VOTERS BILL. On the motion of the ATTORNEY-GENERAL, the House resolved itself into a Committee on the Registration 0.: Voters Bill, and proceeded with the cons ideration of the se veral clauses of the Bill. On the reading of the 39th clause, which enacts that p lie sons may be subpoenaed as witnesses before the Courts of Re Mr. vising A Barristers GLIONiY suggested that instead of the •P art-ig6 being obliged to apply at the Crown-office of the Court King's Bench, Westminster, for ,subpcenas, the revising bar risters, or some other authority on the spot, should be !In t : powered to issue subpcenas ; he also wished to affix a limit v the sum to be paid for the subpcenas. The ch ar g e fo ot. subpoena out of any of the Courts of Weotminster was eig pence, being a penny to the stationer for do blank form' et seven• pence for getting the subpoena pasSed at the seal.ofjes and there was nothing in this clause to preveLit the P er being charged seven shillings instead of seven pei:ce• Mr. GROTE did not understand why there shoold b e - charge at all for the subpcenas. s ide' The ATTORNEY-GENERAL was willing to cVeA,ar.. the suggestions of the Hon. - and Learned Member for Co in mouth, and undertook to introduce the necessary alteration the clause on the bringing up of the report. j e On clause 44 (allowing revising barristers to award c osts cases of frivolous objections to claims) being put, Mr. Sergeant WILDE objected to the clause. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL defended the provisi° of the clause. After a desultory conversation the Committee divided-- For the clause Against it Majority --1 / The clause was amended and agreed to. Clause 45 was agreed to. On the 47th clause being proposed, Mr. AGLIONBY moved that the clerks of the peace b. ° remunerated for their loss of time in connection with the boi" ness of registration. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL opposed the a mendme nt ' After some discussion the Committee divided— For the Amendment 47 Against it Majority ----88 a The clause was then agreed to, and the Chairman re p ortc progress and obtained lave o sit aain The other Orders of e the t g Day were • then disposed of, a nd the House adjourned at a Quarter past Twelve o'Cloelt• Old Some days ago a man, called Whitehead alias , Soary, entered a public-house at Milnrow (" Tina On bhilfs d . birthplace) about half-past 11 o'clock, and as the landlord an te he bad had some family quarrel, arising out of an unfortun. _ speculation in a coal mine, it required but little to e xcite.. t . it sh e parties to hostile acts, but no one was prepared fot' A to • a project as that to be recorded. Whitehead endeavoure,-: bt spat himself near the fire, round which sat some si% or , e : lg r y persons enjoying themselves with smoking and drinla'., Whitehead attempted to throw parcel ' fi bat was a m the re the prevented. He tried again, and did not succeed.' A t • third effort he did so, which turned out to a pound of blasthig. gunpowder. The landlady, suspecting some mischief, 1;tv" so devill thing to the extent contemplated by the villain , snatched the e parcel, which fortunately was wrapped up in two strong folds , of brown paper, off the fire, and threw it to the door. . r flr . scoundrel, as soon as he had thrown the parce l °a tbe `'.! instantly ran out of the house. The whole party ft°. h a 9 ing ascertained the contents of the parcel, fell on thei e r tkcVeei'a; and thanked God for so special deliverance. The wretch . ' been held to bail to answer the charge at the Sessions. ke t UNPRECEDENTED QUICK PASSAGE.—TilePacse ship Independence, Captain Nye, 'reached Liverpool on New turday, after the shortest passage ever made between •L` the York and Liverpool. She sailed from New York ml i ,, evening of the Bth instant, and the interval between her lead, ing the New York and taking the Liverpool Pilot on her r was only fourteen days and five hours. The passage from port to port has been frequently made in sixteen days 't in the year 1822, the packet ship New York made it in fifteen days and three quarters ; but the Independence is the o nly so'r that ever accomplished it within the fifteen days.. Ouvrard, a grenadier of the 61st Regiment, Vail.- tered at Besancon, having learnt that a woman, to whPr ed ic a had paid court at Paris, was about to be married, furlough, and arrived in the capital on Sunday- H e sit ow tamed that the wedding was to take place yesterd n Yd e ce ll- At ayory of the sth Arrondissement, Rue de BondY• Co ach sequently went early to 'the spot, and remained till the . 0 , with the bride and bridegroom and their friends arrived.ndea. then addressed the bride in reproachful terms. She c but ho voured to escape from him by hastening into the house, , her obtatascer_ rushed after her, and, drawing a short sword, wound en ver , several times on the head and arm. Fortunately, h°rris.e, the wounds were not severe enough to prevent the ill'arr tile which was shortly after celebrated. In the mean necessary Commissary of Police arrived, and entered upon the . _ into examinations, Ouvrard having been arrested, and taken into a , an adjoining room. He was afteewards conducted unto D e . escort to the Etat-Major, whence he will be sent back saneon.—Galignani's Messenger. King The publication of the Royal Decree of the . ie. . of Naples, issued seven years ago, reciting that, in theii‘sorii7, dom of the two Scilies, the sons and daughters , and the other descendants of both sexes in the male di ne aun ts, the King, his brothers, and their issue male, the siSt_e e K i„g and uncles of the King, must obtain the consent andinicitheet for their marrying, whatever may be their 3 _ e ffeCt• i 5 such consent their marriages shall be void and of n , ' r _ _ O , to said to have shaken the resolution of the Royal brideb''' the railfrolso stand by the legality of his union with Miss SeaYt h ;., 1 noeI" A TTE MPT TO DESTROY A FAMILY• u d i weiliug day night, or early on Wednesday morning, the _ es tates house of John Paine, tan under agent of the Tubber Dublin , situated at a short distce from Rathcoole, cou9,tY_ k itche n was maliciously set on fire by some miscreants. ln'suffied, and a room at one extremity of the building w ere co" artatent and seven children who were sleeping in a nother 8 1 ) ...ake eeti must have been destroyed, had not one ofsthern been.", salsa by the noise of the falling timbers and the suffocate II tion created by the dense smoke. An alarm beingered the child, the other inmates were roused, and elf -t e trage iii escape in security. The cause assigned for this 0 f Mr. that the under agent, acting by the o rders l ece iled Murdock, the agent l of Colonel Leslie, had e._ct.. some houses belonging to persons against whiolng daireiog ments had been brought. The place wher e t . e from a act of incendiarism was committed is but half a I ca to di s " police barracks, but although instant steps were ta . _ et i e n.-- -- cover the offenders, they have as yet escaped dete ral Saunders's News Letter of Friday. lost s e". A farmer of the Scilly Islands, recently to be tile head of his stock ; and supposing his misfortunes 0 , , e b e st thei r effect of witchcraft, consulted one of his neighbours as t " to burn was a , method of breaking the spell. The a dvice given e ster a ct a calf alive, which the superstitious and inhuman tim ally carried into effect. the House Petitions from the shipowners, merchants; interested in the trade and port of Sunderland, 0 „ Lilies o n , sca rbro of Commons, praying for the repeal of the str ,i p ie " Marine Insurances, also against the passing o r e now lYi l l Harbour Bill in its present objectionable shape, a at the Exchange in that town, for signatures• and othcrs