The Sun. — London, England, 1845-07-29 00:00:00

by' tP,,; ept reV b o art ',ess' r report, ; hitt it )nsider to delegates uth with aralysed, but at s meeting thought low read, d upon to i to son dad from rich were •euaon a regard to ed by his istituents sug,gss— om some when he that h• until to- i to hear was one port. d by the ed in ID [es in the e shall be be deter. the power all appear ibly of the to be pre e matters iference. ind revue fondly in pt to pro [lent thens all direct I far and power to settle die. uch levies turn-outs ation, and vell being and social, or on of the it Oldest ;lotion. .ssociatiOn nber. e V Central ▪ the as. e of such r the pro.. auction• is - ion i for lat al tb. Lid be rt. adoptios the apple ho would hers wbe proposing this con upon the s and the nd there . ' sent 000. t was pet Delegate galled ; been chs mow, to 1 4 4 to 1 se, to 1 sr' 0 1 NO 5 yrs, 9 4 ~,d 3 lb' co 1 1 1 0 g 2 a de ar 3 0 0 ° dr 0 dr 0 1 1 4 1 2 0 3 2 dr 3 4 nd a ci" i 1 ''. 3 ° a coo e i row 'l'l Prof of tb. :ractiotle j u g GOO the P r.- al meet a d 1136 kies, the iistants wit'P e ' t '111" leeP sour the l' r ' , '4O eii.-- for LI F IV 1 1 SSING REMARKS ON T E PRIVILEGE QUESTION. By Sir John Walsh, Bart, M.P. This is a pamphlet clearly indicating in its author Poe ers Of higher order, and views of a comprehensive re-ei originality beyond the scale which the scope and. limited form of his present "Remarks." The genet's] purpose of the argument here put forth by Sir John is to eetablieh the necessity for some very carefully digested declaratory measure ascertaining and defining, la the most distinct and intelligible terms, " the" pri vileges of Parliament. He looks upon such a course as offering the only available middle term, at which it will, ere long, be possible to escape from the high privilege Pretensions of one party in the Legislature, and the high (Illruinon• law doctrine of the other. In speaking of the privilege question, now pending before the judicial tri bunals of the country, he remarks that— " The determination to appeal from the decision of the Court of Queen's Bench to the next tribunal, post pones the difficulty, but does not remove or modify it.. It tekes, indeed, the chapter of accidents in our favour. qThe Court of Error may reverse the judgment of the ueen's Bench, or other contingencies may intervene. The case, however, that the collective body of the judges may confirm the decision of the Court below is suffi ciently probable to render it the part of ordinary fore sight to anticipate the chance of its occurrence, and to ask ourselves beforehand whet line we should he pre pared to take, in the position in which we should then be involved." Sir John Walsh clearly shows the indispensable necessity for the existence of Parliamentary privilege to an extent f allY adequate to uphold and to maintain its independent action and corporate dignity. But he is keenly alive to the perhaps inevitable tendencies of unwritten " pri vileges" to grow into a powerful and uncontrollable ma chinery of oppression. unless subject to be modified by the interposition of the authority and the powers of courts of law. All the dangers incident to a eollisium he between these courts and the High Court of Parliament shedows forthwith a spirited hand. Perhaps he could not have hit upon a mere illustrative analogy than that suggested in the following passages:— " The Courts of Law have on their side this great principle of human soeiety, that the progress of it is always attended and marked by a constant process of defining and limiting rights and powers. Everything is gradually appropriated, end fixed in its proper place. .The House of Commons has contrived, in these vague and unbounded claims, to place itself in opposition to the opinions, the interests, the veryinstincts of advancing eivilizetion. I would compare this dispute to our late differe nce. with A mer i ca on t h e M a i ne b oundary. Some i%lgahtty L y ay, as e t a . rsa s g u . o rl y ng imaginary frontier li n e was i nser t e d limits which could not be ascer tained, and describing landmarks which had no existence. At the ti me it was totally immaterial, for neither piety cared for the possession of a tract of pathless fereez. ; lett as the two nations went on reclaiming, and civilizing. aPprop r i at i ng this wilderness, they came at l e e gt e jet : , ;mtact, and they discovered this line to be no line al eI. `ls there was no limit ascertainable, the two nations eueli male its ewn, and th e y were on t h e po i nt o f go i ng to e r. to maintain them. It happened fortunately th a t rd Ashburten did not carry into his negotiations the thsPirit of Sir Thomas Wilde ; and as they could not find e old line, th e y ~reed upon a new one. I think ;%;eutually the IL'use of Commons a n d th e C our t s o f L aw PI do the same." l e Thoma s Wilde, as the champion of the high privi lege party, is the object of Sir John's frequent and some eat unwarrani• d attaeke. But for our own we eollciir in the overdrawn and colonhighlyred i";: e tions , hieh his owe hand has drawn of the exclusive Sir hobert Peel to undertake the or lthizatien of sie / a sch eme o f p r i v il ege d e fi n i t i on as he has here advocated. w It is quite evident that such a measure must be the materials of a Goverement—no individuals could have the 411terials to frame, or the power to carry it. The opi k" of Sir Robert Peel is known indeed to have been in Cour or the assertion of privilege. I remember one of a l tt l zuest eloquent speeches, iu which he deprecated any t h erupt to lower the character or degrade the position of ki t k t illustri ous body, and in which h e seeme d t o cons id er A r e g ,'„ e to be the aim of the o pp onents o f pr i v il eges. Th e Member in the noblest of representative assemblies, wench he feels perhaps that he owes everything, and ~ttners think that be has paid back all that he owes, the tendency his mind would be to stand forward it a foremost I wish he could believe that hi se who differ from him as to the means, concur with tk eu_ as to the end. They think that the true source of 4 `i ttl e glory and power of the House lies in its numbering e o ,%g its ranks those who, like himself, sway it and the l i cetry by the force of intellect and statesman-like They beli eve th a t th e attempt to f or c e t h ese h i gh tit of pri v il ege aga i nst t h e gen i us o f t h e B r i t i s h con dsnr, I ° ll . would injure and un d erm i ne it s rea l ascen - Nsh;l: He now stand s i n a diff erent pos i t i on f rom th a t 0 0 - ;" be occupied then ; still th e l ea d er o f the House of atl ids e ll 'oos, he is also th e fi rst Mi n i ster o f th e C rown ; e 'tperience h as shorn t h at hi s po li cy h as i n many a liti e rl ecs been modifi e d by a d ue sense o f t h e responsibi -18108 Of his office. The results of the former contest in Pre,„ are before hi m — t h e fl ame ki n dl e d b y t h e harsh th e 'dings against the sheriffs, and th e ease w i t h w hi c h iettZestion of the publication was disposed of by the of a Bill.' Upo n c 'e considerations must have a strong influence k eit a mind natueelly aver,, to extreme and violent wi thout surs. I cannot but encourage the hope that— stusuffering himself to be euibarked in an invidious te t t ifg .l °, without eommittiee: the House a second time , e e employment of naked force, without waiting till ecireumstanees brought on a crisis—he may under ntk , by the peaceable means of enactment, the final tlement of this embarrassing and vexatious question." P krt i This pamphlet is agreeably written, s and for the most n a temp era t e and dispassionate pirit. ,121ESNIERIC LECTURE S —Mr. Spencer T. Hall's d lect ' ure on mesmerism at the Western Literary Institu a°s, Lei ces t er-square, was delivered on Thursday evening to Dl.llNarnerous and approving audience. The experiments upon I,4,_"e:t strange to Mr. Hal and new to mesmeric operations is , l re interestUag and generally regarded . as conclu . sive—th te e It :r_et he seemed instantaneously to acquire over an invetei a ,sitgitnerer whom he had never seen before, striking all , wha pl,„ 4 ,sed it with amazement, and calling forth eared , itelil l ts• We perceive that Mr. Hall has announced his fare 'stn eetores for the season, and the friends of mesmerism 14 1Th i ci t fail to be gratified by the progress it has made in I.,ladiarin his residence in town. g is KONIGSMARK, AN HISTORICAL ROMANCE. 1110,C AP TAIN FREDE RIC C HAMIER , R.N .— C ount Konigs t,t,' W as one of th e most remar k a bl e c h aracters of a wild and tttl e , 4tur ous age. His extraordinary car eer i n many quarter and !1310be is traced by Captain Chamfer with a vigoroush and ,e teett'e interest of the reader is never suffered to flag for a Rs t „ l pt s as the hero rushes from peril to peril, in lore, wa h r, ' , tit , 4,0 g, riot, or murder. His indomitable bravery . throug - 4 4, 9jui cit made him so successful in his amours, furnishes new r aithi„ u i ri cias matter for evey cha , nter • but the character of his hnd ' and deceived follower, \ ratz, is drawn . equal force, 'hs n.arl •as stroup a hold upon the imagination. And 1, v 1 : ano ther ) person in the drama, the Italian, Isabella, the rni.tress of Koni ,, smark• than whom the pages of ro t° hrr d o not present a more effective female portrait. N ex t 's Donna Maria, a noble Spanish se nora , whose destinies °° t '.ll4 , 4 ' 4, lZied with those of Koni gsmar k ; an d towards the 'l tn e Prince:4. in whose secret bower his false i n t ri gues NißlkLi4Z &els came to their bloody close. In addition o materials to which we have pointed, th e story is c hed 1 11;,, 1) .,.Y a number of hi s tori ca l p ersonages o f th e age o f 1.,, ;" -- -Literary Gazette. 4 Week, as the Talbot steamer was getting ^ta,4°Alftv hot-e Lyons ortunatel y , it caughtbeen no perso novas i njured, e h ad taken place a few minutes later the vessel wo u ld 4rit,,,eseh ° j her lassage, and the results might have be en ver y A - Gaiignani. ‘ L a r lately escaped from Ghent from a collection "` ," ea, ta, and caused considerable alarm amongst the in .q k,, „ , s • It was at last killed by an inspector of forests, who, an. m o a f l it c s om fro e n o t ut of a thicket, fired a pistol at it, ;,t l eti - '2" one ' aws, and with another shot in the :iliats,,44surided it so severely p that in a few hours it died. The t he R iv en up to the owner, and the skeleton is to be placed Tl),: 4 ' e urri at Ghent. Glasgow Constitutional states that it is in t; Oti,,`.! re publish the old Glasgow Courant from the lath ;'edo."„'er, 1 745, to the 15th of October, 1746. It says— ,44lar ,7 ° t . know that there is another copy of the paper exts . nt, •i' t 've 5.5 i t for no other thing but the vivid accounts of doe si:_ f e t t4 ll„ nt l%f l the Pretender, and the facsimile presented by , ners and customs of Glasgow a hundred years 4 , 1 11 s , °aid beth exceedingly Interesting, and must insure the t h Port ofe inhabitants. Ser: s li°w*ager Countess Grey is surrounded by a r "l'4 ' far nily circle at Howick Hall, Northumberland. At mtl '47'intion of the late venerated Earl, Viscount Howick (now 514 p e ,, Y r i' the Hon. and Rev. John Grey, the Honourable Cap.. Grey, R N Lady Georgiana Grey, Lady -451.,:reoarrington the Huno;i ‘ rable and Rev. F. R. Grey, the eDNoti4t4,,ble Captain' Henry Cavendish Grey and Dr. Wilson, were raide the death bed. The Honourable Colonel Grey, d hd th e ° „he Queen, did not at rive at Howick until ba t tu r r ea a c y, ick-tionourable Captaindid. no Lad h y fi ,'ry 'ail until a few hours after the Earl had expired. Vp gat °° ,,, d ' l ' 4 Lady Elizabeth i;ulteel did not arrive there be. leek e tal s u C a Y• It was the late Earl's most earnest desire that his ? --c)t akl be conducted as privately as possible. Ple;Rs K , On i uesdav morning, 9f's " re adful ?" at s mine called i, 4 -rthr a w accident occurred near Merthyr, t ge Y-oh e ~Ynch Fawr. Four men, named Watkin Jones, aged "wis Powell, his son.in.law, thirty.one ; David Davies, t lese e - r , e , : e h ; and Thomas Jane., twenty-three, entered a bucket h, cl . th e ," the shaft, when, about seven or eight yards from the teqtcltet 4olaanttce chain, or a link of the other chain to which the ached, broke, and the poor fellows went down with 54:,'.thr e hle -r e r to the bottom, a depth of nearly one hundred yards. naed died instan'aneously ; but Thomas Jones 1, 4 - 0)0 he w artken to the mouth of the level, and converse 'lt left atiltran to his assistance. Three of the deceased men 1„'411 Wl 'os and families. A brother of the deceased Lewis • "h th arr " , ly esca 14 ter e otli e Ped death, as it seems he entered the bucket f rs, but recollecting he had forgotten his candle, he t wed r 'r the purpose of procuring it. The lander then re -111.. • to co re-enter the bucket, saying, " Four men ate quite x, Aai (1 ! ° dossr at or sse..'— Bristol Journal. 14-46elci-:► ATCII-I‘ll'. Joseph Andrews, his Ter. reilly fo r a s now in his possest.lon a watch which has been . I. his t r . 44 Of c,_:! .l s' two hundred years. It was made early in the f,th..wies the and beai., date 16'50. The present owner's `',.!1105:41-ndo.ree the.watch seventy years, and it is now in rn g a o l u 1, 44 1 ' L, 4 k eeps time exceedingly . well.—Nottengham ou 4 'h 14 b t halt T SCHOOLS, \‘. ATERLOO-ROAD.—SQI:- th e l Pl Ch u„, of these schools were preached yesterday at St. 4. 41 !l t es,. 4"1. Waterioo.road by the Rev. E. I rv i ne , M . A ., an d Jo, M.A. schools, which e,4l_e_oucationhnston to childre n o f both se These xes from one year and supply a i " tr Oy t ) .tint. 4 . y ears °f ago, are supported entirely by voluntary con number ofchiloren received in the s c ho o l s average th7,:•ttnb(Yunre taken i n at such early ages, are found a great Lti. l 14 :Z C0,.. t , rin g , Poor of th e ne i ghbourhood. tr,, t n/ er I I:LLINC.. 3 AN'S NOSE.—J,,hn r• h it t , st % Wh, w ia.rner, was brought before the bench of niagis "ithprotrii,ents (in 'fuem.lay last, an d fi ned S i . for pulling the (.441141.,, Part of the face of Mr. William Thompson, a wrie r 4.. rather as unoarsuottioutzaanner.—Yerh- TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN: SlR,—Another instance of gross neglect on the pert of steam-boat managers was wnne,sed ut Hungerlord pier on Sunday evening. The boat in titi-s!ic,n was r,n dered unsafe by various openings in the side ruiings, which, in the dark, were unfortunately taken for the landing-places, by two gentlemen, who stepped off the boat into the water, and were not rescued till nearly ex hausted. And had it not been for their cries the pier man would not have observed them in time, having then rose three times. One gentleman lust a new hat, and also spoiled a good suit of clothes, and is still labouring under the effects of the fright. Ought public safety and convenience to be so sacrificed, and no compensa tion rendered ? Mr. Editor, you will confer a public benefit in calling attention to such unwarrantable negligence. July 28, 1845 R. B. OREGON AS IT IS. (From the New York Tribune.) We propose to shed such further light on the charac ter and settement of Oregon as is afforded by " A Journal of the Events of the Celebrated Emigrating Expedition of 1843," appended to Mr. G. Wilkes's " History." The emigrants left Independence, on the western borders of the Missouri settlements, on the 17th of May, 1841. The wieter arrived at Vancouvrr (ninety miles up the Columbia, and nearly opposite the mouth of the %Villiamet:e), on the 10th of November, but the mass of the emigrants, with their cattle, were some days behind, and did not probably reach the settle ment on the Williamette before the Ist of Decem ber. At all events, it is a gond six month's work to traverse with cattle and waggons the 2,000 Miles in tervering between Independence and the Williamette. It might be done in somewhat less time with horses only, but the hardships of this mode, from hunger, exposure to storms, &c., are infinitely greater. Stout men may endure them, though the parties of Farnham and Fre mont respectively suffered everything short of death, but ignorance and want of due forecast in the one case, and unseasonable exposure in the other, greatly aggravated their sufferings. The present ro u t e i s s h or ter and easier than that traversed by Mr. Farnham ; grass is found over a good part of it ; and where there is grass those who drive mitch cows and bullocks in adequate numbers need not fear starvation. But the sterility and destitution of 19-20ths of Oregon is utterly inconceivable by men who have been accustomed only to the fertility and verdure of the Atlantic slope and the valley of the Mississippi. Even the country for 500 miles on this side of the Rocky Mountains is barely saved from being one cheerless, uni form desert, by the springs and the everlasting snows of the Great Chain. Of the Great Plate, or Nebraskie, which runs about 600 miles due east, nearly under the 43d degree of latitude, before it unites with its southern branch, it is said in the journal before us—that "Like the Nile, it runs hundreds of miles through a sterile wilderness, and like the Nile it unrolls its strips of green across the vastness of the desert, and is father of all the vegetation z ear it." Leaving the fountains of the Platte at the South Pass. in lat. 42, deg., 30 min., the emigrating party were nearly a mot th passing through the Rocky Mountains, and, eigti this was in midsummer (August), their sufferings eno trifle. Says the journal, " This was the most arduous and difficult part of the journey. In many parts of this region we had to move sharply to secure water and range for our cattle, and the scarcity of game forced us to rely for food en the resources of our private bir ders. The greater portion of des country is a sterile, flinty waste, and except in cease nnl dots and in the green ribbons that bind tle eeges o -'rsams, is worth less for agricul'ural purpose," uc?. nevoid:l:g to a settler in Oregon, another 500 milt, of the routs , thither. But the next stretch of 500 or 600 miles, from the Rocky to the Blue Mountains, or to rite junction of the Septet, with tie larger branch of the Columbia, is still more forbidding. The journal says • f it— " The third region is called the high country, and is a mere desert, consisting of ridges of rocks of volcanic strata and alternate sandy plains. It has its occasional fertile spots, it is true, but they are few and far between, Its distinguishing features are its excessive dryness, and the extraordinary difference of the temperature between night and day. This extremity, amounting sometimes to a variation of 40 or 50 degrees, is modified somewhat iii the approach toward the middle region, but this out side section is doubtless incapable of being reclaimed to any great extent by the hand of man.* We emerged from the patch of vegetation around Fort Hall ih a few hours upon wide barren plains of yellow sandy clay, which, among its short and dry Bras, bore nothing but the wild wormwood and the prickly pear, with here and there some stunted cotton wood or willow." The country thus described compriv.s the larger part of Oregon, and makes up about 1,500 miles of utter sterility (the narrow belt of the Platte excepted) of the 2,000 miles stretching from Missouri to the Pacific. In all this distance there is but rarely a forest or a goodly grove to be seen, and even on the Platte the emigrants must watch for and seize little bunches and shreds of willows floating on the stream (drift wood there is none), or have no fuel and no cookery. Except in the desert of Central Africa, and around the Poles, there is no such utter destitution of timber, of verdure, and of capacity for cultivation on the face of the earth. The Creator appears to have visibly marked the region of the Rocky Mountains as the boundary of nations. But the next region of Oregon, stretching from the Blue to the Cascade Mountains, say 150 miles, is little better. The journal says, of so much of it as is not covered by mountains that it consists of plains between mountains, " the soil of which is poor. The timber also is very scarce upon it, and what there is is soft and poor." Ile says, however, that the climate during summer is agreeable and salubrious, though the winter brings frequent rains ; and that, though unfit for tillage, wally of its plains are covered with short grass, which will render it a good stock country. But con sider that the stock can never be profitably driven 1,500 miles to the States, while they will be some distance from the Pacific, near which is a better stock country (be cause having a more fertile soil and milder climate), and we must be permitted to doubt whether such lands will ever be in demand for stock-raising, at least while Cali fornia and Northern Mexico have hardly an inhabitant to ten square miles of surface. The last and lowest division of Oregon is the best. It has a mild climate, though not a desirable one, the winter being excessively rainy and the summer exces sively dry. Indian corn cannot be raised by reason of drouth and frosts, but most grains and vegetables do well ; cattle excellently. Snow seldom lies over three days in the most favoured valleys, though snow-capped mountains are in sight almost everywhere throughout the ear. The multiplicity of mountains is destructive to navigation, and almost to all rational hopes of future improvement by railroads, &c. The valley of the Williamette contains, perhaps, as much good land as that of the Muskingum or Mohawk, and there is per haps three times that quantity of arable land in Lower Oregon, south of the Great River. There is a little good land in the valley of the Cowel t z, an inconsiderable tri butary of the Columbia, which e rs it, about 50 miles from its mouth ; but besides this, says the journal, " most of the soil on the north bahk of the Columbia is poor, and is unfit for the production of wheat or the es- Client grains, except sparely and in spots. This feature Olen-as - es as you proceed northward, and the land in the vicinity of Nisqually, on Puget's Sound, is incapable, as lam told, of ordinary production." This is the most desira'ile portion of the region we are on the brink of fignting for. The agents of the Hudon's Bay Company are the traders and capitalists of Oregon ; and, as they buy where they please, and pay no duty to any Government, they stifle!y many articles (cloths and cutlery, fur in stance) cheaper than they are sold in the Western States, though goods are generally higher. Tea is cheaper from the proximity of China : but crockery, iron, lead, boots and shoes, &c., are high. Agricultural pro duce is held at about Boston prices, tough cattle, espe cially cows, 7i.re higher, being scarce as yet, and the de mand great for stock-raising. A rifle costing 20 dols. in the States will command 50 dols. in Oregon. It is evident that many of the emigrants from the States have been saved from great privations and sacri fices, if not from famine, by the uniform kindness and aid of the Hudson's Bay Company, who are abused as monopolists because they sell goods so cheap that no body can compete with them. Says the journal : " All the goods sold at Van Couver are of the most superior quality, and the purchaser in this region of general honesty and enterprise receives them at twelve months' credit; so thus the greatest obstacle to the poor emigrant after his arrival hero vanishes at once. This is a country of peace and good will; every new corner is received as a brother; the poor man's wealth lies in his arms, and the industry and enterprise which brought him here to claim by his labour heaven's first gifts in the riches of the soil, is accepted as the substantial and sufici nt guarantee of his faith. " The utmost liberality characterises all the dealings with the stranger and even the resident. If your for tunes have been adverse, and you are not able to pay for last year's dealing, you are required to give your note, drawing interest at five per cent. Instances have come to my knowledge since my arrival, in which Dr. M‘Laughlin has extended the credit of some of his cus tomers for two or three years together. He has supplied most of the members of last year's emigration with such articles as they need, taking in payment only the pledge of their honest faces and hard hands." Ott this Mr. George Wilkes characteristically com ments in a note as follows : " There is nothing wonderful in all this. The doctor could do business no other way with the class of custo mers he seeks, and as for the taking of the note at the end of the ye ,r, when the misfortunes of his ereditor have left nothing else to take, it is a measure strictly pruteAive of himself, and has nothing of generosity in it. The doctor is doubtless a very excellent man, but the above circumstances only prove him to be a very good merchant." Such as this M'Laughlin are the people whose t‘ o many or us are eager to be cutting, and such a .',lr. George Wilkes are those who are stimulating us to c•ut them ; such as we have described (all the valu able part of it already in our unquestioned possession) is the country for which we are to cut them I Would not this be a pleasant business for Christians in the ❑ineteenth cell Wry ? * Mr. Wyeth saw the thermometer on the banks of Snake River, in August, 1832, mark 18 degrees of Fahrenheit at sunrise, and 92 degrees at noon of the — iiame day. _PORTSMOUIII-SATURDAY, The Fairy, tender to the Royal yacht, Master-Com, mander Thain, arrived from Cowes yesterday afternoon with dispatches for the Commander-in Chief. She left on her return in the evening. In Ifarbour—The Victory, Excellent, Black Eagle, Lightning, Comet, Fearless, and Echo (steam-vessels) ; and So Lflower. In i',e Kingfi,her. and Scourge steam- . _ In Dock—Prince Regent, Amphitrite, and Trincoma lee, razeeing ; Carysfort, overhauling ; and Centaur steam-frigate, building. AMEN T. Lord PORTMAN proposed some verbal amendments in clause 21. Lord STANLEY objected to one of them as having a prejudicial effect in a political point of view. The other amendments were agreed to, and the clause was passed. Clause 22, after a few words from Lord REDES- I)ALE, was agreed to. Clauses 23, 24, and 25 were next read and agreed to, Clause 26 was also agreed to. Lord PORTMAN proposed a verbal amendment in clause 27, which was also agreed to. Clauses 2; 4 and 29 were also agreed to. Clause 30 was agreed to. Clause 31, after some discussion, was agreed to, as were also clauses 32 and 33. Clauses up to 106 were also agreed to. On clause 107 being proposed, Lord REDESDALE asked whether there was any objection to leaving it in the option of the wardens to let out the common lands or other lands ? Lord STANLEY thought that, if there were a slight inconvenience, it had better be borne than interfere with the machinery of the Bill. After a few words from Lord PORTMAN and ano ther Peer, Lord REDESDALE said he was clearly of opinion that the land should not be let for more than one year in any parish, and he thought there ought to be some restriction an the permanency in the regulations. Were the regulations permanent or not ? The LORD CHANCELLOR said according to the clause the regulations were clearly permanent. Lord STANLEY proposed a restriction of five years or less, subject to the regulation of the Commissioners. This might be done, as the wardens were to be deemed, for all purposes of taxation and rating, the occupiers of the allotments. The clause was then agreed to. On the proposition of the 108th clause, a conversation ensued as to the mode in which the growing crops were to be adjudicated, but the clause wai agreed to, as were also clauses 109 and 110. The I 1 1 th clause was struck out. On the 112th clause being proposed, Lord PORTMAN asked where was the use of giving a man compensation for that which he already possessed? Lord STANLEY said that the object of the clause was to make compensation for those small claims which were in fact almost intangible. lord PORTMAN could not see the reason of that. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the object was to provide for small holdings. Where the common right was sufficiently stocked by cattle, the cotter enjoy ing the right could send in no more cattle, and conse quently there was no room for the owner of the stint ; and under this Bill therefore he was to be paid in money. If there was more than one stint, and not sufficient for two, the owner was to have one stint in the inclosure, and receive money as a compensation for the surplus. Clauses 113 to 122 were then passed. On the proposition of the 123 d clause, Lord PORTMAN objected that the expense of the inclosure vas to be borne by the individuals from whom the right was taken away. Lord STANLEY said that the expenses were to be borne by those who were to have the benefit, and the Commissioners were to be paid out of the portion of Crown land appropriated for that purpose. Lord PORTMAN objected to the form of notice which was directed to be put upon the church door. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that it was some times difficult to find the person on whom the notice ought to be served, and that, therefore, it was better to adopt the usual course, which was to stick the notice on the church door. The Noble Duke the other night had said, that one of his tenants went every Sunday fourteen miles to church and fourteen miles back again. He sup posed that they were as good in Cumberland as they were in Scotland, though he doubted it. At any rate, the notice was sufficient. The clause was then agreed to, as were also clauses 124 to 146. Clauses from 147 down to 162 were also agreed to, after short discussions of an unimportant character. Clauses 163, 164, and 165, were next agreed to with out opposition. Lord PORTMAN apologised to the House for having occupied so much time as he had in the observations he had deemed it necessary to make, but he could assure the House he did so from a sense of duty alone, as he had not an inch of property that would be affected by the Bill. SCOTCH POOR-LAW. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH moved that the House go into Committee on the Scotch Poor•law Bill. In doing so he begged to say that the great cause of dis content in Scotland on this subject had been owing to the inadequacy of the relief afforded by law hitherto ex isting, and also of that which was the result of private charity. The Noble Duke then took a review of the different Acts in force for the maintenance of the poor in Scotland, since the time of William and Mary, and contrasted their provisions with those of the measure now to be adopted. He then proceeded to state the sub stance of the different clauses of the Bill, and the (ob jects they had in view. He regretted having detained their Lordships so long. He had gone through the clauses rather , hurriedly ; but if he had omitted any point, he would be glad to be reminded of it by any Noble Lord. Lord CAMPBELL, though willing to admit that the present Bill was in many respects satisfactory, yet, looking at the advanced period of the session, he hoped the Government would postpone it till next year. The Bill contained some clauses which if not expunged or greatly modified would be a curse to Scotland. Any man, for instance, who went to reside in Scotland for a temporary purpose, if he only took a moor there for sporting for a few weeks, would be liable to be rated not only for his property in Scotland, but for all his property in England, in the East and We s t I n di es , or i n America, and for all his stock in trade, and this, in his opinion, was neither fair nor liberal, and he trusted her Majesty's Government would take some course to re move the objections in Committee. He appealed to the good sense of the Noble Duke opposite (Buccleuch), and he trusted he would see the secessity of postpone ment. The House then went into Committee on the Bill, when a desultory conversation took place between Lord CAMPBELL and the Burl of HADDINGTON, the first of whom contending that the Bill did not sufficiently de fine the meaning of the terms " means" and "sub stance," upon which persons resident in Scotland were to be rated to the poor, while the latter contended that it did. _ _ The LORD CHANCELLOR remarked that their Lordships were wasting time in discussing the point. The Bill introduced no new principle, and it would he now as hitherto open to th e courts of law to define, when o ccasion should arise, what was the meaning of the terms " means" and " substance." The Noble and Learned Lord was a disti ngu i shed lawyer, and well able to define the meaning of the term. Instead, therefore, of calling upon . the Nobl e D u k e (Buccleuch) to give the required definition of the terms, he ought to enlighten the I-louse himself upon the matter.—(Hear, and a laugh.) The Earl of DALHOUSIE declared that the meaning of the terms were well understood in Scotland, and the principles which had regulated the courts of law in de ciding upon these questions had been in force for the last three hundred years. He thought, therefore, the Noble and Learned Lord had raised an unnecessary discussion. After a word or two from the Duke of BIJCCLEUCR and Lord CAMPBELL, the Bill went through Committee, arid their Lordships havin g resumed, the Chairman reported progress, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. UNCLAIMED DIVIDENDS BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed, as was also the Spirits (Ireland) Bill, and the Excise Duties or Spirit (Channel Islands) Bill. SALE AND LEASING OF RAILWAYS BILL. This Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed. _____ BILLS OF EXCHANGE BILL. This Bill was also read a second time, and ordered to be committed._ . _ LUNATICS (IRELAND) BILL. This Bill passed through Committee, as did also the Drainage (Ireland) Bill, and the Irish Fisheries Bill. Lord IviONTEAGLE wished to introduce a clause wbich would impose the smallest penalty, but it was withdrawn, and the Bill passed through Committee, and the report was ordered to be brought up to-morrow. ASSISTANT BARRISTERS (IRELAND) BILL. This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. STAMPS DUTIES (IRELAND) BILL. This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be printed. MILITIA (IRELAND) BILL. This Bill was read a second time. LANDS AND WOODS IMPROVEMENT BILL. This Bill was read a second time. LUNATICS' ASYLUM BILL. On the second reading of this Bill being moved, Lord BEAUMONT objected that there was 1,5001. a year allowed to the Commissioners under this Bill, when the Poor-law Commissioners had only 7001. The Bill was read a second time without further comment. TL I SUN, LONDON, TUBS DAY MORNING, JUL Y 29, 18;6. penalties, and therefore he thought that the apprehension was groundless. Lord SA NDON suggested that an alteration might be made in the provisions of the Bill to state to what place the Irish pauper should be transhipped, for at present they might be sent to anywhere, at the charge of the whole county of Lancaster. Sir J. GRAHAM said that after the observations of the Noble Lord the Irish Members ought to be satisfied that the Bill was a great change for the better. Heretofore Liverpool, which had a population of 80,000 Irish labourers, and whose labour it required, could, at any time that their labour was not required, ship them off to Dublin in the cheapest packet on the station at the cost of the whole county of Lancaster, while by this Bill, the town which enjoyed the benefit was charged with the expense of the shipment, and was obliged to ascertain the place of birth, and to send the parties and their families to such ports as were nearest to their usual places of residence. Sir D. NORREYS withdrew his opposition. The report was received, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. COURT OF CHANCERY BILL. The report on this Bill was brought up, azl4 the Bill was ordered to be read a third ti'ee to-morrow, at twelve o'clock. REAL PROPERTY BILL. The Real Property (No. 3) Bill was read a third time and assed. APPREHENSION OF OFFENDERS BILL. This Bill was read a second time and ordered to be corn mitted ta-morrow at twelve o'clock. TAXING MASTERS' COURT OF CHANCERY (IRE LAND) BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed. LIBEL BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed. GAMES AND WAGERS BILL. The House then went into Committee on this Bill. Clauses up to 16 were agreed to with a few verbal amend. ments. On clause 17 being proposed, which legalised subscriptions to the turf, Mr. C. BERKELEY objected to this one-sided legislation which went, he contended, to legalise gambling one way, while it attempted to put it aside in another. He should take the sense of the House upon the question, whether the clause should stand part of the Bill. Sir JAMES GRAHAM defended the clause. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the Committee d vided, when there appeared— For the clause Against it Majority for the clause The clause was then agreed to, as were the other clauses, and the Bill was ordered to be reported to-morrow at twelve o'clock. 37 CHURCH BUILDING ACTS AMENDMENT BILL. This Bill was read a third time. On the question that the Bill do pass, Mr. NICHOLL moved the addition of the following clause, which was agreed to :—" And be it enacted, that where, at the passing of this Act, there is not any consecrated church in one of two parishes which may have been for thirty years neat before the passing of this Act united, or reputed to have been united, for ecclesiastical purposes, and where a new church has been or shall hereafter be built wholly or in part out of any funds at the disposal of her Majesty's said Commissioners, in the said parish in which there is not any such church as aforesaid, the whole of such parish may, after the consecration of such new church, be disunited for ecclesiastical purposes from the other parish, and may be formed into a separate and distinct parish fur such purposes, with the same consents, in the same manner, and under and subject to the same provisions and consequences as are mentioned and contained in the hereinbefore recited Acts or any of them, or in this Act, relative to the formation of a distinct and separate parish, where the same is formed out of one parish not united with another parish." The clause was added to the Bill, and the Bill passed. The House then adjourned till Five o'clock. The House resumed at Five o'clock. REPORTS. .... The reports on the Nelson's Charity and the Ellison's Estate Bill were brought up and agreed to. SMALL DEBTS BILL. Mr. H. BERKELEY said, that owing to the other business upon the paper, it would not be in the power of the Rouse to consider and discuss this Bill, which stood for the third reading that evening. He should, therefore, wish to know how they might have the dis cussion, as ho intended to move an amendment upon one of the clauses. Sir J. GRAHAM, with the view of acommodating the Hon. Member, would then move that the order of the day on this Bill be discharged, for the purpose of moving that lit be read a third time to-morrow, at twelve o'clock. Sir VALENTINE BLAKE said, that as the legis lative functions of that House were about to be suspended, he begged leave to make a few observations upon the conduct of an individual, and upon the policy of the Government during the present session. After an observation from the SPEAKER, upon a point of order, The HON. BARONET proceeded to say, that he wished to address himself to the Right Honourable Bart. at the head of the Government, who had promoted several individuals to lucrative situations, but upon eno individual had cast a most unenviable notoriety, It would be in the recollection of the House that in the late debate, when the question of the opening of Trinity College, Dublin, to persons of all religious persuasions was the subject of discussion, the Right Hon. Baronet said that the Catholic Warden of Galway had signed a petition in: favour of the Irish Colleges Bill. He (Sir V. Blake) did not wish to interrupt—for an interruption even to so great a gun as the Right Hon. Baronet would not be acceptable — (Laughter)—althoughthe were in error. The Maynooth Bill was va li ant l y passed.—(Laughter.) The Right Hon. Baronet was very improperly alluded to in the discussion on that measure. It was stated that he had been guilty of faithlessness to his party, and it was ultimately alleged that he was guilty of perfidy. The Right Honourable Baronet was not guilty of anything like perfidy. He was not, certainly, in unity with a moiety of his party, but that moiety had no right to say that he had abandoned his party, because the greater portion of his party supported him. Those individuals who attributed perfidy to him had no idea of the sacred scheme, and the working of the Bill. ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. Mr. HENLEY wished to ask the Right Honourable Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Depart ment, whether the letter written by him to the magis trates of Stafford upon the subject ct administering jus tice in their own houses applied generally to magistrates? Sir J. GRAHAM said, that Hon. Members would perceive, from the report which lay upon the table, that in the case referred to, the magistrate had decided a case of trespass in his own house, without the presence of a cle r k or any ot h er mag i strate. He must certainly repeat his opinion as to the impolicy of this line of con duct in all cases. Mr. HENLEY said he had, according to his notice, another question to put to the Right Hon. Baronet. He wished to ask whether it was intended to bring in any measure to relieve magistrates from the re sponsibility o f d ea li ng w ith t h ose p ar ti es t h at might be brought before them? His reason for putting the . question was, that there were now a great number of railway Bills, in which clauses were inserted requiring the magistrates to decide summarily upon cases brought before them by the servants of the Companies. Sir J. GRAHAM said that he did not see any neces sity to alter the law. Mr. HUME said he thought the House would not object to relieve the county magistrates of all respon sibility, and to have stipendiary magistrates appointed in their places. Sir J. GRAHAM believed that the county magis trates Were of great service, and that such misconduct as was complained of in the papers on the table was very rare. . ~i~ IMPERIA HOUSE OF LORDS, July 28. Their Lordships met soon after Five o'clock. SOUTH WALES RAILWAY. Lord PORTMAN brought up the report of the Select Committee on this railway Bill, which was ordered to be received. DUBLIN AND GALWAY RAILWAY. The Earl of BESBOROUGH postponed the furth, r consideration of the report on the Dublin and Galway Railway Bill till to.morrow. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE remarked that he had glanced over the printed evidence on the subject, and he certainly could find nothing in it t surport the allegation of the petitioners against the line. PORTSMOUTH (ATMOSPHERIC) DIRECT RAILWAY. The Earl of HARDWICKE brought up the report of the Select Committee on this Bill, and moved that it be received. The Duke of RICHMOND resisted the motion, on the ground that the Committee had refused to hear the South-Western Company, who had purchased a line to Guildford, which was looked upon in the light of a competing line to the Portsmouth Direct. As a general principle, he admitted that it was unwise to recommit Bills, except under special circum stances, but the case of the South Western Company was an exception to the rule. The Committee had re fused to hear them, although they were entitled to ap pear before the Committee ; and he should therefore recommend the recommittal of the Bill. Lord REDESDALE thought it better that no further discussion should take place on this question at present, but, under ail the circumstances, it would be better for their Lordships to order the report and the evidence to be printed, and direct that the further consideration of the report be postponed till Monday. The Duke of RICHMOND did not care one farthing for the evidence because it would not give the informa tion he required. He was the rather inclined to object to the printing of the report and the evidence, because he contended that the Committee had refused to take some very important and material evidence which had been offered to them.—(Hear, bear.) It was upon the main principle, that all parties ought to be heard before any of their Committees could come to a deci sion, that he called upon their Lordships to re-commit the Bill. The Earl of HARDWICKE said, b. fore entering upon the reasons which had induced the Committee not to hear the South Western Company, he might state the Com mittee had agreed to all the three Bills referred to them, and they considered that the line to Portsmouth was of great national importance, and the best that could possibly be procured. They did not consider that the Guild(ord line had any locus standi whatever, and therefore they refused to al low the parties to be heard in opposition to the direct Portsmouth. The Committee were de- sirous to. give all the advantages of railway communication at the cheapest possible rate, and they selected what they considered the best line for this purpose. The Duke of RICHMOND did not wish the Nob'•e Lord to go into the general merits of the line, but he did not understand hOw they could know which was the best line, unless they examined all the lines that were projected. Lord REDESDALE said that if the House were not satisfied that sufficient care was taken in coming to a decision, the Bill could be referred back again to the same Committee, or to a new Committee, to report on the other line. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said, as the Com mittee had refused to receive certain evidence, the print ing of it would leave them in exactly the same position as before. Lord CAMPBELL said the practice in the Courts was to receive evidence, which they had at first refused, by direction of the Court above. If the Committee had omitted material evidence, the better course would be for them to re-assemble and consider it. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY considered that the Committee ought to have heard the parties. The Duke of RICH. 'iIOND said he would withdraw his motion if the sense of the House was against it. The Duke of GRAFTON defended the Committee, and held that they had performed the duty assigned to them in a proper manner. If they had acted other wise they would have done injustice. The parties whom they refused to hear had no right to be heard in the world. The Earl of WICKLOW said the observations of the Noble Duke strengthened his opinion, that the Bill ought to be recommitted. The Duke of RICHMOND then withdrew his mo tion, and moved that the report and evidence be printed, and that the subject be further considered on Friday next. The Earl of HARDWICXE had no objection to do anything that the House thought fit. The Committee had no sort of interest in the undertaking, nothing to influence them in the performance of their duties, ex cept a desire to serve the public.—(Loud cheers.) The Duke of RICHMOND made no such charge against the Committee. He simQly thought that they had acted erroneously. The motion, as amended, was then carried. MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS. A messenger from the House of Commons brought up several Bills. PUBLISHING THE LIVES OF PEERS—RE PEAL OF STANDING ORDER. Lord CAMPBELL rose to move the motion of which he had given notice. It was that the standing order with respect to the publishing of the lives of Peers, without the consent of their relatives, heirs, and executors, be repealed. The Noble Lord said he would briefly go into the origin of this standing order. It took its origin in 1720, when Mr. Edward Curll gave notice of his in tention of publishing the life of the Duke of Buck ingham. The notice appeared as an advertise ment in a London newspaper, when the family of the Noble Duke just deceased interfered, and they ap plied to their Lordships' House to interfere to stop the publication, on the ground of its being a libel. The appli cation was made on the 22d of January, 1722, ac cording to the new style. It was complained of the work announced that it would contain particulars of the public and private life of his Grace, with a copy of his last will and testament. The House ordered that Ed ward Curll do attend the House on to-morrow. On the following day Edward Curll attended at the bar, and, after an examination, he was ordered to withdraw. On his withdrawal, a resolution was put and agreed to, ren dering it a breach of privilege to publish the life of any Peer without the consent of their relatives ; that resolu tion was entered on the rolls of the House. Edward Curll was then called in and reprimanded by the Lord Chancellor. The matter did nut terminate here. A Committee was appointed, and the subject being duly investigated by them, on their report being presented, a standing order, embodying the prin ciple of the previous resolution, was duly passed. No attempt was made to enforce this standing order till 1735, when Edward Curli again ex cited the alarm of the House. An intimation ap peared on the 12th of May, 1735, in the Daily Po s t B o y, announcing " Mr. Pepe's Literary Correspondence for thirty years, being a collection of letters written to hint by the Earl of Halifax, Lord Ferrers, and others ; pub lished by Edward Curil, and sold by all booksellers." Instructions were given to the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod forthwith to seize all copies of the advertised work, and that Edward Curl! the publisher of the book, and J. Wilford the printer of the ;le Nspaper, be summoned to the bar of the House. These parties attended and were examined and severally reprimanded for what they had done. After they retired, •the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod tt.formed the House that he had seized 500 of the book in question at the house of Mr. Curl!. No attempt had for many years been made to enforce the standing order, and as it had not only fallen into disrepute, but was entirely unnecessary, and contrary to the spirit of the times, he :hould move that it be repealed. The motion was agreed to without a division. The Duke of BUCKINGHAM presented a petition from the gentry, and clergy, and inhabitants of Ayles bury, praying their Lordships to take into consideration the law relating to the punishment of death, with a view to its abolition. The Bishop of NORWICH presented a petition for the better observance of the Sabbath. SYRIA. Lord ABERDEEN took the opportunity of laying on the table the papers moved for by the Noble Duke op posite (Beaumont) relating to Syria. The Duke of BEAUMONT said that he would put a question to the Noble Earl on Thursday next, relating to the recent events in Syria. COMMONS INCLOSURE BILL. The House resolved itself into Committee on this Bill. On the Ist clause being proposed, Lord PORTMAN objected to the clause. He consi dered it would have the effect of throwing all the waste lands into the hands of the Government. Lord STANLEY thought the Noble Lord did not understand fully the nature of the cl a u se . Th e Commis- sioners could take no steps unless two-thirds of the par ties interested in the inclosure were assenting parties. It was necessary that one of the Commissioners should be a responsible Minister of the Crown, and therefore the Government had named the Chief Commissioner of the Woods and Forests as one of them. The other Commissioner would have duties assigned him indepen dent of that office. Local valuers would be appointed by the Commissioners to estimate the value of the lands required. The clause, with some amendments, was then agreed 4.- Clauses up to 11 were agreed to without opposition. Clause 12 being proposed, Lord STANLEY moved the omission of the words, "all the forests belonging to the Crown," and the sub stitution of " the New Forest" and the " Forest of Dean," which was agreed to. Clause 13 was agreed to ; and on clause 14 being pro posed, The Earl of FITZ HARDINGE inquired how the Go vernment defined village greens, and Low they would be influenced by the Bill. Lord STANLEY said power was given to the Com missioners to take tiny existing town greens in lieu of other land still appropriated to the recreation of the people. They would, however, be devoted to the same purposes as now. They would be applied to no other. Clauses up to 19 were agreed to. In answer to a question from Lord PORTMAN, The LORD CHANCELLOR said that in reference to the appointment of reviewers or guardians over land in a parish to be inclosed, the owner of which might be an infant, the Commissioners would appoint such guar dian, but they would have no interest in doing so. Lord STANLEY said the only object of the clause was to take care there was no interest unrepresented. Clauses 19 and 20 were then agreed to. DERBY COURT BILL. This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to b© read a third time to-morrow. REAL PROPERTY BILL. This Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. COUNTY RATES BILL. This Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. The other Bi ll s Bills were a dvanced a stage, and the House adjournedother till tomorrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 28. _ . The House met shortly after Twelve o'clock. The following reports were brought up and adopted, and the Bills ordered to be read a third time to-morrow : —Customs Laws Repeal Bill, Customs Management Bill, Customs Duties Bill, Warehousing of Goods Bill, British Vessels Bill, Shipping and Navigation Bill, Trade of British Possessions Abroad Bill, Customs Bounties and Allowance BiLl, Isle of Man Trade Bill, Smuggling Prevention Bill, Customs Regulation Bill, and the Stock in Trade Bill. Mr. S. CRAWFORD brought in the Tenants (Ireland) Bill, which was read a first time. REMOVAL OF PAUPERS BILL. On bringing up the report on this Bill, Sir DENHAM NORREYS objected to the provisions of the Bill as making a provision for English paupers, while there was no provision for Irishmen. Sir JAMES GRAHAM said hat, inasmuch as t h e expense of the removal of th ese paupers that, thrown upon the English parishes, he thought, that if any one, the great towns, such as London or Liverpool, where great numbers of Irishmen resided, would have the most reason to complain. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD objected to the early por tions of the second clause, as separating families and dividing the members from each other. After a few words from Mr. HENLEY and Mr. PALMER, Sir JAMES GRAHAM said, that, according to the pro visions of this Bill, no head of an Irisltfamily could be divided from the others without the Othorielrineurring very servers thought that must not be the limit.—(Hear.) For there was so great a desire to educate the working classes. that he did not think, if an application were made for a larger grant next year, it would meet with great opposition He was quite willing to take such a test if he thought it would be at all useful, but he had very great doubts cf any such test being at all a worthy criterion of capability. But a further consideration was involved. Was mere scholastic attainment anything like a proof of capacity for public office? Ile did not mean intellectual capability, but that power to fulfil the practical duties of life, together with that degree of attainment which would ensure an appointment advantageous to the public. The Noble Lord last session had proposed that a portion of the public funds should be appropriated to granting prizes to the youths educated in these public schools after their attainments had been ascertained by public examination. Now if he were perfectly convinced of the truth of the decisions come to after these public exami nations, he should certainly have no objection, but he had yet much to learn respecting the principle here involved before he acceded to its truth, and till he wt.s he felt it a matter of duty to withhold the grant. It was solely from an unwillingness to induce the schoolmasters to seek for public employment that led him to abstain from all interference. There was great danger in ointring them such rewards. He hoped, under these circumstances, that the Hon. Gentleman would perceive that he had dealt with these propositions in a manner in which they ought to be dealt with. Mr. WYSE seconded the resolution of his Ho nourable Friend. He said that education had now assumed such a position as to justify any consump tion of time and labour in introducing the subject in an enlarged state under the consideration of the House. He hoped that the Right Hon. Baronet would take an enlarged view of all literary institutions and suppert them by grants from this House in whatever part of the United Kingdom they might be placed. Sir R. PEEL said that it was the intention of the Go vernment to collect the information which might lead to such institutions. Mr. NYSE was very glad to hear such a statement, as it was of inestimable value. It would turn the public mind to a due consideration of the subject. Ile did not think that the Right Honourable Baronet made any observations with respect to that part of the resolutions which referred to the institu tion of public libraries. He (Mr. Wyse) thought town councils ought to get the power of levying taxes f. r the institution of public libraries under the sanction and authority of Government. It would greatly encourage the diffusion of knowledge, and go far in the correction of morals in the growing generation. Ile hoped his Hon. Friend would be satisfied with the explanation and recommendation of the Right Hon. Baronet oppo site and not think it necessary to put his resolutions to a division. Mr. HUME said he felt perfectly satisfied both with the answer the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government had given, and the able speech of his Hon. Friend near him (Mr. Ewart.) The present administra tion had shown itself peculiarly inclined to extend the opportunities of education both by the liberal grant re comenended for such purposes in this country as well as Ireland. At the same time, though much had been done, a very wide field was open for carrying out the laudable work still more efficiently. In Russia every class of the community were given the means of ready and early instruction ; maps were exhibited in every school in that kingdom, and over each city and town de picted on them were place d a statistical account of the population, revenue, and peculiar features of each, whe ther the districts were manufacturing or agricultural, and all such invaluable particulars. As to the second resolution, he concurred in every word which his Hon. Frieud bad said in reference to local libraries ; the im portance of such establishments could not be overrated, and though it would be a very great acquisition to this country if the same system as was at present pursued in the Unitedi States could be introduced here, neverthe less, although he concurred so fully in the remarks of his Hon. Friend who had brought forward the present dis cussion, he trusted the resolutions would not be pressed to a division, as, what was far better than that, a useful and satisfactory consideration had been given the question. Mr. HAWES recommended that the same collegiate system lately introduced for Ireland should be intro duced int ) this country, but, in the want of such a satis factory course, he could only tender the resolutions of his Hon. Friend his warmest support. The motion was negatived without a division. SCHOOL OF DESIGN. On the question being put that the Speaker leave the chair, Mr. W. WILLIAMS rose to move according to notice--For a Select Committee to inquire into the alle gations contained in the petition of the senior students of the School of Design in Somerset-house, and into the general management and present state of that School— but stated his willingness to withdraw his motion in case the Government would accede to its requirements. Sir R. PEEL made a few remarks across the table, not one word of which reached the gallery, but it is to be concluded that he refused to concur in the proposi tion, as Mr. WILLIAMS immediately proceeded, and attri buted the ill-success which had attended the Institution, ever since its fist formation, to the bad government under which it had systematically laboured. Twenty four gentlemen had been appointed to conduct the entire management of the establish= nt, and like every other department entrusted to the charge of such a limited council, it had been neg lected. Every thing lie affirmed, he was prepared to prove before a Committee of the House. He challenged inquiry, as he wanted to know whether the statements that had been made to him were true or not. The successor of the previous Master, Mr. Dyce, was Mr. Wilson, who was neither a workman nor a scholar, and the latter had under him a Mr. Herbert, a very skil ful person, and a royal academician, yet Mr. Herbert, so eminently qualified for the situation ho held, was removed by a meeting of the council, at which there were only four present— (Hear) — while the other was retained. In consequence of this state of things, the arrangements were such as to afford no efficient means of instruction. Thirty-seven of the students addressed the council on the subject, setting forth the incapacity of the master of their class, and the director, to fill the situations which they held, to which an answer was returned as offensive as it could be well expressed, ordering their expulsion. The Hon. Member here said, the order of the council for the expulsion of the scholars, and deciding that they should not be re admitted unless through the director, respecting whose incapacity they had addressed the council, he looked upon as a highly arbitrary proceeding, as the remonstrants were not boys, but many of them young men who had given evidence of considerable ability, anal who had shown no refractory spirit, but merely a lauda ble desire of being properly instructed. He was told that many of the complaining parties were miserably deficient of talent. His answer to this was, that many of them had competed for prizes, and had been successful. 0112, a native of Scotland, after being a few months there, obtained two prizes, and another had gained three prizes, in competi tions. These were facts which, with many others, he could prove in committee, were it granted. Under such a management, what was the result ? In April, 1844, there were 196 scholars ; in July, the same year, 189 ; being a falling off of 7. In April, this year, there were 186 ; in July, 11 1 ; shelving a falling off of 75. What was the occasion of this ? The dismissal of 37 of their best scholars, and such a circumstance deterring others from attending at this s minary. The testimony of Mr. Pugin, whose fame was European, bore evidence to the poverty of our talent in the decorative arts. That gen tleman stated that he had only three persons in his em ployment who were Englishmen; and out of those three, there were two who had been dismissed from the School of Design. Surely these circumstances called aloud for inquiry. If his motion was not granted, great dissatisfac tion would be the result. Owing himself much to manufac tures, he was anxious that proper instruction should be afforded to those who had to obtain their livelihood through their means, and ho should therefore use every exertion in his power to promote their efficiency. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving that an inquiry be instituted into the School of Design. Sir GEORGE CLERK opposed the motion, and held that the House wenld compromise its dignity if they acceded to it, when it was well known that it emanated from a number of students who had been suspended from the School of Design, on account of gross insubordination. With respect to Mr. Tyas, it could not have been expected that an artist of con siderable eminence could have given up all his time to the institution, even when his salary was increased from 400/. to 500/. a year. Mr. Wilson was also an artist of great eminence, and certainly a person more qualified could not have been selected to fill the office to which he was appointed. Mr. Herbert was also well qualified to instruct those in his department—the drawing of the human figure. Those under his tuition were under 20 years of age, there being some as young al fourteen. Certainly Mr. Herbert was to blame for the disparaging way in which he spoke of Mr. Wilson in the hearing of his pupils. Now he would ask the House whether these gentlemen— mere lads—were competent to judge of the character of their tutors. It was true that there was one 22 years of age. Mr. Wilson took this young man into his pri vate room, and showed him some drawings, some of which he lent him to copy. He found the name of an Italian written in the corner, and thus he brought the charge against Mr. Wilson of foisting off other persons designs as his own. Now, it appeared that the name in the corner of the drawing was that of a town—Onego— which the drawing represented ! The shawl-worksr mentioned by Mr. Nugent had take* lessons, and left the school ; but after some time he returned, and took lessons under Mr. Wilson. He designed some beautiful patterns, which were eagerly purchased by some of the largest manufacturers in that town. Many of those who were in the habit of receiving patterns from France now obt a i ne d th em f rom t h ose who had been educat e d a t t h e S c h oo l o f D es i gn . Thi s showed that i io. t be Memberschool ai w a a d s o not in out—consideri ng the ineffi cie nt the sta a h me th i e t state which ti h had been established, it had made wonderful progress. Looking at the satisfactory state of the exhibition last year he did not thi n k that the School d e s o e f r l i te e s d i g by ni the o patronisedn. by Government was in the state Member, and lasing, facts , asheotfht°huagthHr' answered all th e Hon. Member, t h ere arguments and all seemed no necessity for the Committee. He should oppose his motion. Mr. EWART said that, without taking up the time of the House, it was clear enough that the school in Somerset House was in a state of disorganisation. Mr. Pugin had stated that he was unable to find there ar tists to supply designs for the new Houses of Parliament, and he was therefore obliged to search over the Conti nent for them. Their manufactures were also behind those of France, because pattern designing was not suffi ciently encouraged ; and therefore, under these circum stances, he should support the motion of his Hon. Friend the Member for Coventry. Mr. WAKLEY said that, finding the Hon. Member SITTINGS OF THE HOUSE. In answer to a question from Mr. BROTHERTON, Sir R. PEEL said that he would not object, with the concurrence of the House, to move, after to• morrow, that the House should sit at 12 o'clock fur despatch of business, and sit throughout. EDUCATION. Mr. EWART said that he was compelled to draw the attention of the House to the subject under his name en the paper, namely :-1. That a statement be made, on the part of the Government, of the condition and pros pect of such educational establishments as are supported wholly or partially by a vote of this House, 2. That it is expedient that the formation of public libraries, freely open to the public, be encouraged. 8. That it is ex pedient that schools for the training of masters be more extensively promoted. 4. That it is expedient that ap pointments to the subordinate offices of Government Le made (as far as possible) by examination of the merits of the candidates for such offices. He found that the re port of the Commissioners were more intended to dis guise the facts than to reveal them. They had laid recently :laid upon the table of that House a ponderous tome on the subject of education which, he would venture to say, Hon. Members had never read. The condition of the schoolmasters in Scotland was nothing more than a state of penury. For many years they were entitled only to the salary of 351. per annum. The question arose how much further the Government could interfere to assist the progress of education. It wo u ld b e a great a d vantage if any Mem ber should annually move for a report on the state of education in England, Ireland, and Scotland. lie trusted the municipalities would come forward and seek for the establishment of libraries throughout the country. An other great source of promoting education was a system introduced by the present Lord Grey, namely, by the examination of those persons intended for offices un der Government. The Hon. Member the Chancellor of the Exchequer might smile at the supposed novelty of this proposition, but it had been tried, and that success fully, by the late Administration, and he left it to the liberality of the Right Hon. Bart. to take up the subject and promote it energetically. It was very possible that he might take the sense of the House upon the case now introduced, but at any rate ho thought it could do no harm to throw out these suggestions to the Government upon a matter of such undeniable paramount importance. Sir R. PEEL rose and said, that however late the period of the session, and however great the pressure of public business, he thought the Honourable Gentleman was quite right in calling the attention of the House to this important subject. lie must say, however, that on the subject of education the House had already very full information, and also as regarded its progress. He thought the suggestion of the Honourable Gentleman that the Government should, before asking the vote, ex press an opinion as to the progress of education, for the annual volume presented on this subject was rather too voluminous for Members to make themselves fully masters of. However valuable this volume might be, an oral explanation by a Minister was preferable, as being more calculated to awaken public attention. The amount last year granted for educational purposes was 40,0001.—this year 75,0001. was proposed-75,0001. was the sum voted for Ireland—so that, in all, 150,0001. was in one year voted for the subject of education—a fact which sufficiently proved the anxiety of the Government on the subject. He thought the increase of comforts to school masters was well worthy of attention ; for they could not more effectually promote education generally than by holding out encouragement to the teachers. In 1843 a sum was granted for the building of 251 schools, and in 1844 for 380. In consequence of the addition t ) the 1 . objects to which the vote was applied, it had been found necessary to make an increase of . 85,0001. ; but he for Lambeth, who bad been taking note, that everritg-, did not rise to speak on the subject, ho must as a matter of duty do so, for he could not understand why they should vote away public money for a school actually of no public benefit. It had been said by the Ilon. Gentleman opposite that it :could be an encouragement of insubor dination if they granted this Committee. But was an inquiry into evils, an encouragement of insubordination? and many young men—young men rising in the wofld— whose prospects possibly would be destroyed, were ex pelled from this school, and would the House then c,41 this a factious mez.sure—a measure likely to encourage' insubordination ? The students complained that their teacher was an incompetent man, and could it be sup posed that the young men would have risked this asser tion if they had not believed it ? But what was the course pursued ? The council, instead of iequiring into the qualifications of Mr. Wilson, suspended the com plaining scholars. That was the reward which the students received for the discharge of their duties to one another, and their zeal for their own improvement. They discovered that the person who was appointed to the task was wholly incapable of instructing them. But the council concealed from the House ail the facts of the case as related to Mr. Herbert. No doubt the council would say that they abstained from stating the facts, through delicacy to Mr. Roberts. who asked no delicacy at their hands. He hoped the First Lord of the Treasury would inquire into the case him self.—(Hear, hear.) There was no public institution that could have a more beneficial effect upon the promo tion of the fine arts and the interests of commerce thaw the School of Design, if properly worked.—(Hear, hear.) It was well known that the manufacturers of this coun try sent annually upwards of 30,0001. a year to France fI. designs. If the Right lion. Gentleman would inter fere, to see that the school was properly conducted, it would be a great benefit to the country. It was right to place at the head of such an institu tion a director who was a clever, active man of busi ness; but he ought not to be a teacher, or to be allowed to interfere with the teachers.—(Hear, hear.) He did not wish to say anything painful to the feelings of Mr. Wilson, but he hoped the Government would take some steps before the next session of Parliament to place the school upon a proper foundation.—(Hear.) Mr. HAWES objected to the assertion made by his lion. Friend the Member for Coventry, that the council consisted of jebbere.—(Hear, hear.) His Hon. Friend's statement was made upon facts which were reported by persons not well informed.—(Hear, hear.) The facts of the case were simply these:—A quarrel arose between the two masters, in the course of which Mr. Herbert appealed to the pupils, who responded by loud cheers. The cotn:cil took great pains to investigate the circumstances, and having behaved with great consideration to Mr. Herbert were obliged to come to the resolution of discontinuing his services. The details were not of that important nature to be embodied in a report to Parliament, and be (Mr. Hawes) and his colleagues thought that no more was necessary than to state the principal facts. But he would pledge his honour to the House, that he and every other member of the council had the highest respect for Mr. rbert, and were actuated only by a sincere desire for the advancement of the school.—(Hear, hear.) It had been said b y hi s Hon. Friend that the school had declined, but the fact was to the contrary. The school had greatly advanced, and the manufacturers had shown their sense of its value by their extended employment of the students male and female.—(Hear.) He would venture to say for every member of the council from the highest to the lowest, that they had no objec tion to see the school remodeled, if it could be done on a better basis. He would not object to the motion for in quiry, if it were made on the simple ground of improve ment to the institute. But he would resist it, if it were brought forward upon a charge that the council was composed of jobbers.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. WYSE defended the reputation of the school and the conduct of the council. He appreciated the talents and acquirements of Mr. Herbert, but after all the con sideration which he, as a member of the council, could give to the subject, he thought that no other course could have been taken than to dispense with the services of that gentleman, and to mark with disapprobation the insubordination of the students. He could not give his vote for a motion which implied censure upon the council. But he would support any inquiry which might have for its object the improvement of the school itself, and the extension of its utility. After a few words from Mr. lIAWES, Mr. -WILLIAMS declined to divide the House, and the motion was negatived without a division. IRISH POLICE FORCE. Lord CLEMENTS then rose, according to notice, to move the consideration of the petitions of John Conniff, E. Kirwan, Robert Clegg, and Joseph Boyd, formerly in the Irish police; and further, to recommend some change being made in the regulations of that body. The Noble Lord read at great length testimonials in favour of the petitioners, and complained of the manner in which the police in Ireland was managed. He was of opinion that they should have a standing police force in Ireland. An armed body was necessary even in the least disturbed districts. He hoped that the Right llon. Baronet would take these matters under his consideration, and take the proper measures for the better regulation of the police force in Ireland. Sir T. FREMANTLE hoped he would be excused at that hour of the night, and under the circumstances, of going at length into the subject which the Noble Lord had brought forward. The Right Hon. Gentleman then, in an exceedingly low and rapid tone, referred to the parties named in the motion, all of whom, he said, had been removed upon good cause. They had been con victed of insubordination and general bad conduct, and on those grounds they were dismissed the service. The reasors upon which the step complained of was taken, was to the Government quite satisfactory, and they exone rated all parties concerned from any blame. Mr. SIIEIL wished to ask to ask a question. It was, how the patronage of the Constabulary Force was ar ranged? Under the late Government, he understood that two-thirds were appointed by Colonel M.Gregor. Sir THOMAS FREMANTLE—One-third. The remainder were in the hands (.f the Lord Lieutenant. The motion was then negatived without a division. SUPPLY. The House then resolved itself into a Committee of Supply. THE BAHAMAS: The sum of 3,4101. was proposed for the Civil Establish ment of the Bahamas. Ur. WILLIAMS complained of the amount of the vote. Mr. C. BULLER said, that these islands ought to bear their own expenses. Their population was 25,000, and they had a revenue of 22,0001 a year. He did' not think, therefore, they ought to come on this country. He would not, however, divide the House on the vote. After a few a ords from Mr. HINDLEY, the vote was agreed to. THE BERMUDAS. The sum of 4,409/. was next proposed for the Civil Establishment of the Bermudas and agreed to. g• PRINCE EDWARD'S ISLAND. 3.0701 was proposed for the civil establishment of Prince Bd Yard's Island, and, after a few remarks from Mr. C. BULLER, who considered that this country ought to pay the Governor and Secretary, and no other, it was agreed to. 4001. for the Sable Island, and for relieving shipwrecked seamen, and 13,6804 for the civil establishments on the western coast of Africa, were agreed to. i 2,0001. was proposed to defray the expenses attendant on the management of St. Helena. Mr. WILLIAMS opposed the vote on tEe ground that the cost was exorbitant; that it was principally paid to the officers of the East India Company, who bad rendered no service to this country. Mr. COLLETT was of the same opinion. 5004 was paid to a chaplain whose duties might be efficiently per formed for 1001. lie therefore moved that the aum be reduced to 11,6001. The grant, however, wrs agreed to without a division. 7,2191. was proposed to defray the expenses incurred in connexion with the Government of Western Aus• tralia. Mr. C. BULLER said, the population of the colony was 3,476, and that it had lasted for 17 years. 9,000/. was raised by taxation, which was at the rate of it per head. Mr. HOPE had not his papers with him relating to the subject. He, however, could state that the tax was a fair one. The grant was then agreed to. 3,1711 was next proposed to defray the expenses of the Government of South Australia, which, after st short discussion, was agreed to. 5,3*91. was next proposed to defray the expenses in curred-in the Government of Port Essing, which, after a few words from Mr. C. Buller, Dr. Bowring, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, was agreed to. 7,4601, for the Falkland Islands was agreed to. The sum of 1,023/. was voted for the civil service of Heligoland. 18;3942 for the West Indian Islands. 11,3531. being proposed for the Ecelesiastical*rvice of the North American provinces, Mr. WILLIAMS objected to this vote, on thewettn of its inutility, and stated his intention of taking sigesense of the Committee upon it. pointed e Dr . t the e BO II anomalytN G o f t supported he R oin a the a, objection, holics a h n o d p receiv ing less than the Protestant. Mr. SHEIL corroborated the statement of the Hen. Member for Bolton that an incongruity existed in the Catholichethe majorityan dProtestan t f othet E m ec od i e esi o a f sti p cs ay ln ng th t e be Rcoloonmiessn, while population in almost all the settlements were members of the former creed. Lord SANDON wished to ask the Right Hon. Gen. tleman the Member fur Dungarvon how he reconciled his complaint of the Roman Catholic bishops of the Colonies receiving a less salary than the Protestant, when the Roman Catholic Prelate of Newfoundland received a large stipend, and the Protestant was unpaid. Or, how he reconciled his proposition for an increase in the salaries of Roman Catholic ecclesiastics in the colo nies, when those in Ireland refused on principle all de pendance whatever on the State ? Mr. SIIEIL did not wish to enter into the question of relative Church endowments, all he desired was to effect a more equal and just mode of provision for both religions. Air. C. BULLER stated that, though the Protestant Bishop of Newfoundland received nothing, the Dean ob. tained the salary, which otherwise would have been ac corded to his superior. After a few words of retort between Lord Sandon and Mr. Sheil, Mr. Packington and Mr. Collett, the House divided, when there appeared— For the amendment Against it . Majority for the vote —42 On 18,895/. being proposed for the missionaries of Lower Canada, Mr. CHARLES BULLER objected to the vote. He was of opinion that the Indians uceilei no be nefit whatever from the labours of the missionaries. The fact was, that there were not three Indians who at• 7E. 11 the i 9 pAtC.- WI,: -!,