The Sun. — London, England, 1844-03-09 00:00:00

BRAZIL: Mr. BWART wished to lout a question to the Right lion. Baronet at the head of the ',Government, with respect to Brazil. The Governinent of Brazil proposed to impose by their new tariff a duty of: 60 per cent. on the value of the manufactures of this coun try. Now, he wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronet, whether the duty which the Government imposed upon Brazilian sugar was not 150 per cent, on the value? Ile only asked the Right Hon. Baronet to give thein what was the reciprocal duty on the value of the menu; factures imported into Brazil, and the duty on the value . of Brazilian produce imported into this country. Sir R. PEEL said, with respect ,to the calculation whether a certain , amount of duty would be 150 per cent. on the value of the article, he thought the Hon. Member was quite comp e te n t t o ma k e that calculation him self.—(A laugh.) The proposition made by the Bra ilian Government was, that its sugar should be admitted into this country at the same rate of duty as colonial sugar. There was subsequently a relaxa tion of` that condition; and the Brazilian Government offered, that whatever might be the amount of duty on colonial augar t , the duty on Brazilian sugar should not exceed that by more than one-tenth—that was.to say, if 10s. was the duty on colonial produce, the duty on Brazilian produce should not exceed 1 ls. , With respect to '-manutlictured produce, the proposal of the Brazilian Government was that the duty on cotton wool should be 40 per cent. ad valorem; that the duty on woollen goods should be 30 per cent. ad valorem. On other articles there was to be no restriction. Mr. WARBURTON said the question was simply. an arithmetical one ; it was whether 275. 6d.—that was 259., plus 2s. 6d—was not a duty at the rate of 158 per cent. His Hon. Friend wished to draw a contrast he teen the rate of duty the Brazilians wished to put on our produce, and the rate of duty they were pre pared to submit to from us—that was 40 or 60 per cent. on their side, on our goods, against 158-per cont..on our side, on their sugar. The rodiersation then dropped. POOR-LAW. Mr. TURNER asliediheßight Hon. Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he intended introducing into the Poor-law Bill a clause to appoint chaplains to the poor-law unions, to be paid out of the rates, to the exclusion of the clergy of the Protestant Dissenters ?. - Sir J. GRAHAM .said he adhered to the answer he had given tea similar question, put to ,him by the Hon. Member for Evesham. In any alteration of the Poor law Act, he did not intend to propose any alteration in the law relating to religiouS instruction in union work houses., EMPLOYMENT OF THE NAVY IN THE COL .LECTION OF POOR-RATES, 'IREEAND. Captain PECHELL rose to explain a statement which he had made on :Friday last on the subject of the employment of the navy to enforce the payment of poorlates in Ireland. The Right Honourable Baronet Opposite, one of the Lords of the Admiralty, had stated that he was not aware of the existence of such a practice ;and he (Captain Pechell) had quoted from an Irish county paper' a statement that the Eftrl of Lucan had, at a meeting of the Castlebar Union, de- dared - his determination rather to encourage- resist anee to the poor-rate collectors, than to submit to the imposition of a new rate, while so large a portion 'of the first rate remained Uncollected. In . 'reply to the Earl of Lucan, Captain . Blake was reported to have said that naval forceS were coming round to the coast, and 'the Earl of,-Lucan was' reported. to have replied,, that he had no doubt but that the Goiernment Wcittld send'ferces to enforce thecollec, tion of' the rates.' He had since received a communication from- the'Earl of Ltleibli, denying! that he had ever made such a statement, and he thought ithis.duty testate that fact to the House. At the same time he begged to state that he-had , Only quoted the statement as' he had found it in a newspaper published , in' the Noble Earl's own county,. REDUCTION OF THE THREE-AND-A-HALF - ' PER CENTS. On the Order of the Day for the lionse resolving itself into Committee on the reduction of the Three and-a-Half per Cents. being read, Mr. S. CRAWFORD rose amidst loud cries of " Oh, oh," and said he had several petitions to present on the subject .of supply The SPEAKER begged to inform the Hon. 'Member that he could not present the petitions.—(Cheers.) The, motion was, that the House should resolve itself into, Committee on the Three-anti-a-Half per Cent. Annuities, and not, that it should, res*e itself into a Committee Of Supply.—(Cheers.) .. The House then resolved itself into - Committee. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said. the subject' which it was his duty to submit to the House, was one which Would be trcktiowledged by 'every one to ' , . be of considerable - importance. It involv ed th e with a large ' amount of the - public debt ;,- it - Ives calculated to produce a great annual saving in the charge which the public incurred on account of that debt ; ' and 'if the House should be pleased to agree to the measure.which lie 'should. pre': pose, .it would tend„ in . his, opinion,. to , raise the , character and the power of. this country, by evincing the extent of our great resource.s„'and our determination to discharge with honour the national debt.—(Cheers.) If he were the first time calling upon the House to deal with a subject of this nature, he might think it necessary to enlarge upon the motives which justified him in making sucks proposition. Bnt he was not the first Finance Minister of this country who had had the pleasing task . of recommending similar arrangements .to the House ; and the principle upon which those arrangements proceeded .-was one so _universally acknowledged by statesmen of the greatest , financial' ability, by men of every shade, of opinion—it had been 'so fre quently recommended by Committees 'of the House of CommOna, and so' frequently acknoivledged - and con firmed by Pnrliament--that he felt bithaelf relieved from - - the necessity. which onauch a, subject might otherwise be imposed upon him, of showin•g to the House the cor rectness of the- principle i upon whieh his proposal was , founded. . His task was of a different nature. , The pro priety Of affording relief to the public being acknoWledged, the duty 'that devolved upon him 'was to satisfy the House that the time was arrived, and that circumstances were favourable for accomplishinga, reduction of the debt which would produce a great 'animal saving. It was in the,discharge of that duty that he, presented himself to the Tion.se . and he' hedged their - attention, for 4 short period, while he stated to them the . grotint.l4- upon which he conceived himself called ttpbrt' to propose„and ,upon whiCh he trusted than e nse would adept, the measures_ which ho bad now' . t 6 'Submit. The alteration which ho was' "about. to - ileieclintrientl ' to the Mouse was one dealing with " 2: te.;' - iiirge amount of - debt— an amount of :debt' absolutely' ' larger than that with which any Reuse of Parliattiont was ever before called.upon td deal. It was no les,s=dor only a few hundred;pounds less—than 2:50 milliOnS of the na tional debt:. If it . Were considered relatively, in the pro portion Whi c h 'it 'bore to the 'whole 'amount of the debt, he . Cad nbt 'say thilt in that respect it was unprecedented .;. because when .they looked intek to the first occaslon'iOrhieli a reductiOn•of thentinual'interest, was proposed' 'Po the House by .11...Pelliain in ,1749, 64. would :And that that Minister; .had' to deal with a stun inferior 'in amount to that itlich he had Mentioned, ' bat still 'a sum whieb, compared' with' the 'exigible. debt of-the country at the time, eiceeded by one- third ' the proportion which the present amount bore' 'to the' whole 'debt -of the country. But , then that really able man - relied upon the character and credit of the country, and *the: viiilinOess of all men to c - latribute to its welfare,,and he_carried the'reduCtion into effect With saccess' and with , universal' applause. He (the Chancellor of -the • Exchequer) had *alluded ' to the magnitude, of • the *omit ;. for he thought that on an occasion like this '' the House ought to have the whole of the_ facts before.' them. It • was his duty to;stete, ,to them that which; in theeye of every considerate man, was a main eleMent' in'the ope ration.' He would say that the time tad arrived ,when i the operation could be effected, an d Wh e h he thought it' ought to be effected. It had been' long the opinion of the.pnblic that the Government ought to undertake this reduction ; it had long been.declarcd ,by the organs of public opinion that the time 'was not distant when the interest of the debt should be redueed ; and this Opinion was confirmed by. his own attentive consideration of 'the money market of the country,. He -believed that there never was a time when the amount of capital seeking employment was greater than at present. That resulted from various causes. There was a large amount of capital accumulated by the industry of individu a l s ' which was greater in thi s country i n recent years than ever had been known nil any other country.in the wox• l d. Another cause-was the want of security 'in foreig.'n investments, from which not even the interest ciitild be obtained, and the firmness of the security in the funds of this country, 'which induced not Only her ,44iv i i children to invest their capital, but drew also theciipital, of other countries: . The evidenCe of the abundance of money was to be found in the price whiCh securities bore at present, ; and it was. notorious that the holders of Consols at present derived little more than_ 31. ls. per cent., and upon Exchequer Bills little more than 21. 4s. per Cent. it was true. that, privit4 securities gave a greater interest ; and that was natural, for the security of the nation was necessarily greater than that of a private individual. But, notwithstanding the favourable state of the money. ' market, there might be circumstances arising to cause this ' facility of acquiring loans to be one that might turn out Only of a temporary character. But when he looked 'around him, and saw the good understanding which "existed' between this country_ and all foreign • "nations-;when he saw the continued influx, day by day, - --of the capital of other countries. into this—when he saw the revival of • trade; industry, , and ..commerce, . i n , ' all parts ' of' the - world—when - he ' thus saw all countries pacified, and . reflected on the un tiring energy . Of 'his 0wn,..--he would. not 'anticipate anything which should forbid the attempt, which ''' he called upon the House to assist. him 311 making, to reciiice the "biirthens of the .country.-.. There was another essential element in the consideration of, this matter, and that was the time at which "the change was proposed to be made- - -u tithe when the revenue promised them s 6 much assistance. lie felt, what he was sure,every. Member in that House felt, that that State which had not the means of defraying its current expenditure by its etirrent ' means within the . year, , was not in a • state ' to' deal 'advantageously with its nurthens - and .obligations... Its measures would be greatly crippled,. and a Government so . situ ated must be compelled to forego advantages ..4 liiiiidi,iiuldettAtiother * and a better state of things, it, ,--- - ,...vi? . * - 110t and expedient to avail -theurtelsesst i ,-141.---= Kipp '''t°' "Y 'ha was fl3Petto7/IDI I , tcl ,- ,lp ~...I Tbc to the of o owl:nous - atilifitie.- , , using)—he was haw to say ''."- --;-`,:..,: •,,,;4 . .-.,. c zsi. _ = - -,r ~;: :. A , -- ,v, • . 14. that.: by their exertions in the year' 1842—by their energy, foresight, , and determination—they had been able to place the revenue. of the country on a footing to meet the exigencies of the service. They had now, got a revenue more than equal to their expenditure, and they : were thereby enabled to reap the advantages which a firm adherence to a principle of that nature vras ever sure to give—and thus realise to the country the benefit not merely of a -temporary reduction of a few taxes, but of the permanent, obligations of the State. He had said that the income of the present year was more than suffi cient to meet the charges of that year. So far as the two last quarters were concerned the excellent state of the re.; ve.ntie was shown bydecuments already on the table of the House. The House would find by the papers that had been laid before it, that, at the commencement of the last year the balance.in the hands of the Government was 1,400,0001., while, at the termination of it, it was ,upwards of 4,700,0001.—(Hear, hear.) lam happy (continued the Right Honourable Gentleman) to inform the House also that, speaking at the present moment, I can state to them that there are no deficiency bills of the Bank unsatisfied. We are free at this quarter from repaying those advances made by the Bank for the purpose of meeting the demands for the public service. I can also state that, since the sth April last, it has not been necessary to Apply to the Bank for advances iii an ticipation of the votes of the House of Commons. So far as these things are concerned, however useful they may be inthemselves, yet they are calculated, to' cripple the Government. I can assure the House that from those encumbrances we are at the present moment free. I will also point: the attention of the House to this fact, that • the - amount of the unfunded' debt at this moment •is less than it has been for many• antecedent years ; that the amount of Exchequer-bills is only between eighteen and nine teen millions—that they bear an interest of 21.45. percent. and that, at the present moment, they bear a premium of 735. • Looking, therefore, at the growing wealth of this -country, looking at its 'capital, considering its vast -resources, looking at the continuance of its friend ly relations with foreign - Powers, considering that the re venue has recovered from the temporary difficulty under which it laboured—considering that we are free from unfunded and floating 'debt, I think that I have made out a case to this House, to show that the time has arrived when those who have the management of the financial affairs of the country should make an attemipt to reduce the interest on the national debt. The debt we have to deal with on this occasion amounts to nearly 250,000,000 L, and consists of four severalkinds of stock. The first is the Three-and-a"-Half per Gent. • Stock, originally created in 1818, which is the foundation of stock of this description, and amounts to 10,000,000 L The next is the Reduced Three-and-a-Half per Cents., being a stock which was first established in the year 1760, originally as a Four per Cent. Stock, added to at various periods, and reduced to Three-and-a-Half per Cent, in 1824, when Lord Ripen was Chancellor of the Exchequer. It amounted to 67,500,000/. The next is' the Three-and-a-Half per Cents., originally funded in 1784, at 5 per cent:, and which has, in the gradual pregTess of the country, the growth of capital, and. confidence in our own resources, undergone two several reductions—one in 1822, when Mr. Van sittart was Chancellor of the Exchequer, from five per cent to four ; and the other in 1830, when had the honour of holding the office I now fill, and when it - was further reduced to Three-and-a-Half per Cent., at which it has ever since .remained. The last stock is the one called 'the Old Three-and-a'-Half per Cents., which-"was an Irish Stock created in 1787, and had been from time to time augmented to , the sum of 14,600,000 Z ; the whole amount of these stocks is 249,600,000/., or, in round numbers, nearly the amount lat first stated. Now -it might, certainly,' have been legally Correct to have dealt separately with these -sepa rate branches of-the , Three-and-a-Half per Cent. Stock ; but I conceived that this course, though legally correct, would be essentially unjust. I thought it would not be be coming in a great country like this to take advantage of one or two particular branches of stock being of small amount, and to call on the proprietors who have invested their money in these funds to submit to a re duction, which, from their being small in num ber, they • could not resist. I have, therefore, recommended that the same rule should be applied to all these stocks, and that the reduction of interest shall be made at once upon the whole of them. With respect to these stocks, - there is some dif ference in 'thee circumstances. - in- 'which they stand.' 'Three of them are absolutely at' the - disposal of Parliament, to deal with as it thinks fit ; brit one of them, the Three-and-a-Half per Cents. of 1818, stands in a different situation. When that stock was created, the holders received a security that their interest should be paid theni till 1829; that they shoild have six months' notice before any reduction of interest, or redemption of -stock took plaice ) aid; thirdly, that'they 'should' not be paid off in sums -of less than 500,0001. at a time. In any arrangement which may be entered into, I am sure that the House will go along with 'me when I 'de clare, that we ought to adhere' to every engage ment into which we' have entered, ' and - to give to the holders of that' stock every advantage to which they are entitled 'under the provisions of the' statute.(Cheers.) We are - bound to adhere to the strict letter of our agreement with them.—(Cheers.) •If we look for precedents as to the manlier in which this conversion may be brought about, we shall find that at various times different plans have been adopted under similar circumstances. In some cases advantages have been given 'to the holders of the higher stock, in order to induce them to accept of an amount in the lower stock in the place of that which they held in the higher. These advantages have been of a different nature. In some cases a pecuniary bonus has - been proposed to the holders of the' higher stock, thus - augmenting - the actual amount of the debt while it diminished the -interest of it. In other cases an en gagement has been entered into with the' holders of the higher stock, that no further reduction of interest should, take place until after a given time.' The House. must be aware that many planshave been proposed in the differ ent organs of public opinion, for the purpose of effecting the reduction which I now propoSe to accomplish, and each of these plans has its peculiar advantages and dis advantages.. The House will agree with me, however, think, in being of opinion that all these plans resolve themselves into three cases, which are open for our adop tion; The 'first Case is to give to' every holder of Three and-a-Half per Cent. Stock au equal amount in the Three per Cent. Stock, thus adding to the capital of the debt. The 'second plan is to create a Two-and-a-Half per Cent. Stoat for the holders of every 100/. Three-and s-Half per Cent.. Stock, and give them such an amount - of the Tivo-and-tiATalf - per Cent. Stock as would give - ; them an increase of 3 per cent. upon' the capital they have already invested in the Three and-a-llalf per Cents. The third plan is to reduce' the Three-and-a-Half per Cents. to Three-and-a-Quarter per Cents. The, object of all these plans being- to effect - a reduction of the in terest at present pay_ahte'on .the d e bt • from per cent. to 3 per cent. It is. impossible to deny but that each of these plans has its peculiar adiantage; and no doubt each plan will find its advocates; but f, I think, • before-. I state the plan whiCh I propose that the House should adopt, it would . *be well that I should: lay down the principles which I • have adopted in review . ing 'the - several plans to which I have alluded. think it my duty, as the agent of the public debtor, to secure the public credit with the greatesepossible ad . vantages, consistent with a due regard ;for the interests Of the State. Idy first duty is, to the : public, whose ser vant I ani ; brit I feel that it is perfectly possible to recon s .aancile that duty. with the regard that is dee l to the in terests of individuals who lend their money. Ido not . think it would be just to purcha:se great advantages at the expense ;of burdening those who ;will come after us. With respect to debts incurred • in time of war, it is perfectly Fair and legitimate that posterity should bear a share of those burdens by which the' empire was extended or its existence preserved. But to incur an additional debt in time of peace, and to throw that burden, on those who come after us, with a view that we may obtain great present-advantages, fur thepurpose of relieving ottrselv . t s, is a course winch I need not say I reprobate, because I am sure it must be universally disagreeable to all who consult the true interests-of the , .country. But, ,Sir, I have to call upon the House to adopt a course which, I trust, I will be able to - satisfy them of the. propriety of Pursuing., It must be obvious to the House that it' the Three-and-a-Half per Cents. were reduced lo Three pei Cents., by giving an amount of Consols, it- would be ne misery in the operation to do what was done in 1822 to give a bonus on the Three per Cents., for the purpose. of insuring operation. Considering the present price uf the Funds, and the necessity of endeavouring to secure a: conversion, the country would be obliged to submit to. ad ditional capital of from 10,000,000/. to 12,000,000 L of - debt, , though the immediate result would be a saving to the pub lic of between - 800,0001. and 900,000/. On the principle laid doWe of saving we are not justified by adding to the• mass of debt, though the immediate result of the saving_ the public would be between 800,0001. and 900,0001. For however at the present moment some gentlemen might think it a matter of indiffence to what amount our debt was 'extended, being, as it was; 700,000,0001., yet still the future condition : of the country should be looked. to; . 3: : u e i and whe n , if we were engaged in wars,' the debt which et o hrn w ; reckless[ and r to edetrimentalut c the other pl an rema i ns to: be considered, the i a Three -a-H a lf p er Cents., t through th e medium ( that ree-and-a-Q uar t er per C e n t. • Stock- The r esn i t will, in the first inst a n ce, be aadirrmariw.ierint ent undoubtedly eda t ri t nual saving' to the public; : but against th at is to. be, se e fact that there will be moincrease of capital; and the h f .moreover, this additional ad vantage, that by the will, be; meet I shall propose to the Hou se , t h ere will be a futi t f e rt; further reduction, which will give in due time an increased . advantage in point of annual income, an increased ad-. vantage so ranch the more valuable, because though it may not be brought to apply so immediately to the re sources of the country, the country Will receive the full value of the whole reduction, without any countervailing . disadvantage. The plan, therefore, which I shall pro pose to the IJouse - will be this That every holder of Three -and-a-Half per Cent. Stock shall receive a like amount of Three-and-a-Quarter per Cent. Stcek,on which interest at the rate of three-and-a-quarter per cent. per annum shall he paid :until the 10th of October, 1854 ;" giving ten years during which the three-and-a-quarter per cent, will be payable upon the stock in question. I shall further propose, " Thatfionz and after the date-of 'October, 1854, the interest to be paid shalt be at Me rate fj three per cent. only, and that this stock," so being at the ;rate of three per cent., "shall be gua ranteed against any in, thee reduction for firmly •vears after that period." This stock, therefore, will: remain at three-and a-quarter per cent. until October,JBs4 ; it. at three per trent. until 1874', whatever may be the improvement in the finances of the country, or whatever may, be the reduction applied to other portions of the national debt.-“ Marks of surprise, followed by laughter, on the Opposition benches, in the'inidst of •,aehich several Hon. Members rose and, left. the House.)- akellerdlY, c arettZi..AnyJnithiir, , -.attentiott , ‘<latightoo*l The arrangements must be made in the mode in which eimilex urangeraeute have been iu*le before, by allowing all persons .a limited time to . express their dissent from the terms offered. With respect to that branch of the stocks which was created in 1814, I shall proceed as has been always customary, and I shall call on. the House .to resolve, that the holders shall be paid off. The periods which I propose to fix upon are— the 23d of March, for those in England ; the 22d of Oc tober, for those in Europe; and the Ist of, February, 1845, for those out of Europe. Under this arrangement —if I should • succeed in carrying it into' effect—the im mediate saving to the public, from the 10th of October will be, 625,0001. a year—and in the year 1854,• when the second reduction will take place, ' there 'will be a saving of 625,0001. more.. This gain will be effected without any disturbance of the public credit—without any limita tion of the capital of the country—or any embarras's 7 ments of commercial dealings. . The relief to the cuentey will be more certainthan could be obtained by _any at- , tempt to grasp at immediate advantages, by throwing a portion of the , public thirdens upon the public creditor. I trust that I have clearly' - explained the principles on' which I intend to act. There is, however, another important 'point connected , with this arrangement, which I think .it necessary to explain to the House. It is well-known to those Who have paid attention to the finances of the country, - that hitherto' 'considerable in - convenience -has been occasionedin respect to currency and credit on account of the great inequality in the pay ments of the interest of the debt in different -quarters of the year. At the present moment the amount of the debt on Which the• interest is required to be,paid in the - quarters ending January and 'July, is 534,000,0001., whereas the amount'of debt on which the interest is paid in April and October - is 216,00000/ This in equality necestarily produced great fluctuations in the monetary affairs of the Country. I therefore think my duty to take the opportunity of equalising - the pay ment of the dividends, so that on each occasion the de mand for money may be about the same amount. And for this reason I propose that the dividends on all the new stock shall be paid only in April and in October. Those who hare hitherto been "paid up to October will have theirhalf-year to receive in October next. Those who have usually been paid in January' will have only one quarter in ' October ; so that all the new debt may - start from the 10th-of October next. After wards there will be two equal divisions of payment, which, in my opinion, will tend materially to the advan tage and.interest of the country.—(Hear, hear.) I know not that it is necessary for me to say any more. If it be my happiness to carry this measure successfully through, it wiThbe• one of the-most gratifying circum stances in my life to be able to reflect that, on two seve ral occasions-L--in the year 1830 and in the present, year —I recornmended to Parliament a measure with respect to a reduction in our annual htirdens, which cannot but meet with the' approbation of, the country it is so well calculated to benefit and to relieVe. But however great my gratification on this ground, there - is still a higher gratification which I feel, both as a Minister and an Englishman, that this measure affords an irre fragible - proof of the resources of this coun try, and that, with reference ...to other. coun tries, it shoWs the' mighty advantages which ever attend h sacred regard to the obligations of national honour and good putlx.,----(Loud)cheers.) We have had in our : time to struggle, with great . _ difficulties—we have had many arduous contests, many bitter reverses to con tend against—difficultiesewhich hi:L*o=de the strongest minds, to. quail—but - am haveOvertome and 'triumphed 'over them all, and that by a simple, but sacred, adhe rence t&-the principles of national h onour and the ohdi gations.of public faith.'- , --(Hear;) • Mr. BLEWI.TT. then rose to address. the Meuse, but was met `wit loud cries of " Order, order,") Mr. GRANE, the Chairniari of the COmmittee of Sup ply, then; read the resolutierta from thq table. Mr. F. , BAIRIN-C+ Laid it.: gave him much pleasure to be able to - state that he had heard the proposition of, the Hon. Gentleman with the greatest satisfaction.—(Hear, hear.) He should be very sorry if any difference of opinion preVented him from expressing his approval of a. plan soadvantegeous to the country. He spoke only of the principle of the plan ; whether the terms' were ade quate to carrying out that principle remained between the holder of the stock and the. Right Hon. Gentleman. With respect to ;he plan its e lf, he thought it was one beneficial in nitiny ',respects.— (Hear, hear.) - First, it had this_ great, advantage, that it did not create any ad dition to theudebt ; that was in itself a very greatad vantage., ~Be thought. also, it was a very honest plan for a Chancellor of the Exchequer topropose.—(Cheers and laughter.) The Right Hon.- Gentlethan might have made therednction of theinterest immediate ; and this advantage was'no slight one to a Chancellor of, the Ex chequer.-=(Chitirs.) - There was alio another advan tage as far as private individuals were Concerned ; he be lieved the interest was to be reduced one quarter per. cent. at. once, with a 'probability of a reduction of one - quarter per cent. more at a future time ; they thus reduced the 'incomes of private individuals in the least inconvenient, way possible. On another thing he could not help expressing the utmost satisfaction ; the plan wouldinot only be an adtantage to ourselves, but would give to.otherar a practical lesson that honesty and good faith, •even under the greatest difficulties, had their pecuniary advantages, as well as the benefit to be-derived from the good opinion of the world at large.—(Cheers.) He could only say, in sitting down, thathe wished'the most hearty success to the Right Hon. Gentleman's scheme.— (Loud cheers, particularly from the Ministe rial benches.) Sir JOHN RAE REID said nothing had ever , given him greater pleasure than the manner in which this question had been received... 'He thanked the Right • Hon. Gentlenian'opposite for the liberal and handsome manner in which -he had spoken. He felt that feeling would be general in -that House, and he was sure that the holders of Three-and-a 7 Half per Cent. Stock would be highly gratified—(Cheers and laughter)—at the manner in which the plan had been proposed. Under all the circumstances, he thought it was most liberal, and he had no hesitation in stating his firm belief that it would be almost _generally and entirely acceptable. He bad been accused on a former occasion of having been too sanguine., —(A. laugh-.) A late Chancellor of the Exchequer, who was now. a Member of another House, had accused him-of-having made use of a inetaphor.—(A laugh.)- He (Sir J. R. Reid) had stated that the dis- • tress was merely a passing cloud.—(A laugh.) He now saw before them a bright star, and he hoped they would soon feel'its influence--:(Loud laughter)—and. its influ ence would. .be. felt—(Continued laughter)—arid they would go- liefpre it with prosperity 'and- success.—(Roars of laughter.) • . . , Mi:E; M. STEWART thought that .the Chancellor of the , Exchequer had exercised a :very sound judgment in proposing the , plan which he• had submitted to the House.- , ;lle•had also shown-nolitconsiderable portion of Self-denial. The present holders of stock had been sub jected to a less rodtictiori.'thati they would have been subjected tamtider any other 'sae* which could have been pr9posed. , There was one portion of the:statement of the lii§l* Hon. Gentle Man, however, against which he must - ;enter his protest, The Eight . Hon. Gentleman - had I alluded to . the manner in which the Four per._, J . cents. bad been reduced, by Lord - Ripon at the ,time that he was Chancellor of the Exchequer. The Right Hon. Gentleman .should recol lect the statements - which had been Made by Lord Ripon on that occasion, and w-hithLhad . prOcured .for him the name of ,0,- Prosperity'Robinson." He hoped the Eight lion. Gofitiemtth would not. be - mislecl by: appearancet.. No doubt th ere was a great d ea l of money in the market, and in consequence of ita.plenty, - the, Eight Hon Gen tleman had been able to make his present arrangements, but . that arose from the valueless state of money in this country at preSent. Trade in general was in a state of the greatest stagnation ; and :,henee„the„ rush. •of unemployed money to the public funds,which had raised the OW - and* - enabled th e hfonour able Gentleman to propose _his :present plan; but' he warned the Right lion. Gentleman against believing that the,country,was in a prospe,rous state. A revival of trade was much needed, and the present superabund ance of money was no sign of prosperity. lie highly , apProved of the proposal of the Chancellor of the Ex chequer, as he considered it would not only Conduce to the profit of the country, . but that by its adoption the Character and credit of thecOuntry, which were still more jaluable,would be materially strengthened.—(Cheers.) • Sir EASTHOPE expressed his admiration of the plan which- bad been proposed-. to the House. A more just, a rciOre'simplei or a more certain plan, could not ,have been devised.--(Hear, hear.) Whether he regarded the justice of the plan, in reference to the money market, Its simplicity, as being divested of - all kinds of 'com plexity, or the certainty of its meetingwith general RC ceptance in the country, he thought the plan equally en titled to admiration.—(Cheers.) This was one of those occasions on which party feeling should subside-- 7 -(Hear,. hear)-and lie congratulated the House and the Eight Hon. Gentle Man on. the general concurrence which..the .measurewas likely to receive. Mr. W. WILLIAMS felt great pleasure in expressing his unqualified• approbation of the plan which had just been submitted to the House.---(Laughter and cheers.) He:thought the plan was liberal, in the present state of , the money market, to the holders of Three-and-a-Half per:Cents. He regretted that the Right Hon. Gentlethan had not pro Posed to reduce the interest on Eichequer Bills to ild. instead of lid. per, day:, There had been other periods of abundance of money which were as transitory as. he feared this was likely to be. Prices would sop rise,. the exchanges would turn against us, and the state of things would be reversed. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON believed that the unusual ,:abundance of 'money was occasioned'by the distrust of •Ithe British publie in foreign securities, especially 'North American. lie expressed his grateful acknowledgments to the Government :for the alterations- introduced by the Chancellor of the Exchequer,- and he thought the holders of Three-and-a-Half per Cents. would be much better off than they had anticipated. He thought the Right Hon, Gentleman had exercised a sound discretion 1. .in reducing the Three7and-a-Hulf per. Cents. one-fourth. Mr. HAWES felt happy in expressing his satisfaction 4 ,at the proposition of the Government. With regard to the..equalizatiou of the dividends, which were so inti tilmiopu(gmhtatnteleie. .arrangement ue hoped e w as 1 mately connected with the financial affairs of this coun t: practicaltfi.' 'he Righto n one Hon.of great Gen tleman fully appreciated the absence of anything like .party feeling on that side of the House. When the Go sernment introduced measures of sound, practiCal utility, they might depend upon it that Hon. Gen tlemen on his side of the House would give them their entire _support., lie - (Mr. Hawes) would on certain questions avow himself and act as a party man; but when any great public"measure was introduced,- party consi derations must at ono give way to the promotion of the country's welfare:—(Hear.) Mr. WARBURTON . thoroughly agreed inthe com mendation. which had been bestowed on the proposition of the Government, but at the same time, it should not be forgotten that it-was the IoW rate of profits whi c h enabled Ministers to make this proposition; and the low rate of_ profits was, if there were any faith to be placed in-the opini ons _ Af, Mr, Ricardo .or Mr. Malthus, attri4 butable to the corn-laWs. .t-....1Z--` - .:aao.:c Mr. BICARDO congratulated the Right Hon. Glen da= on the plan he had la#l before the House. Ile r - T 7 THE SEYN; 1:46Np0-N, SATURDAY Eir c E T N — itib, MARCH 9, 1844, did not, however, think that the proposal was as favour able to the public creditor as had been generally ex pected. He d►d not mean to say that the present plan might not be carried out; he hoped it might, but there would be great difficulties in working it. He would ask the Right Hon. Gentleman how he proposed to levy the income-tax on annuities for ten years, and on per manent annuities? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, of course the income-tax would be levied on all species of incomes. -He could not sit down without expressing his thanks to the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, the late Chancellor of the Exchequer, in particular, and to lion. Members opposite, for the very kind manner in which they had received his proposition. They had laid aside party warfare, which was at times essential .-to the inte rests of the country, but the absence of it on a matter like this must have a very beneficial effect in enlisting public confidence in favour of the arrangements, and be materially conducive to the public welfare. Mr. BLEWITT inquired if there were any contract between the Bank of England and the Government, to the effect that the Bank should pay off the dissentients. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Cer tainIy not.—The resolutions were then agreed to. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proposed a resolution embodying the provisions of former Acts of Parliament for paying off the aissentients.—Agreed to. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and the House resumed. GRIEVANCES OF THE PEOPLE. On the question that the HqWe do resolve itself into a Committeee of Supply, • Mr. S. CRAWFORD rose for the purpose of pre senting several petitions, complaining that the House did not fairly represent the opinions of the people, and that they were not adequate to the voting away of the pub lic money. The Hon. ' Member presented petitions to this effect from Aberdeen, and from the inhabitants of Bridport, and other places. RELATIONS WITH BUENOS AYRES AND MONTE VIDEO. Mr. EWART wished to bring under the consideration of the House the importance of our commercial relations with the River Plate, especially with reference to the war now raging between the States of BuenoS Ayres and Monte Video. It was most important that the House should take the condition of this immense tract of country under their most earnest consideration. The capabilities of_ that country were very great ; its mines of tin were most prolific; and its produce of cotton and wool very considerable. They had recently had experiences that the article of wool now imported from the districts of Rio de la Plata was of a very improving character and greatly in de mend. • The wool from Germany ranked in the first class amongst the hest judges of it in this country; that of New South Wales in the second class; and thirdly came the wool from Buenos Ayres. The cotton trade, however, claimed the greatest share of our consideration, and for this reason he presumed it was that his Hon. Friend, the Member for Manchester. (Mr. M. Gibson), had been requested to pay attention to this subject, as he (Mr. Ewart) had been by many of his former consti tuents, merchants and others of Liverpool. Our exports in 1841 to the river Plate amounted very nearly to one million, and rather more than one-half of that was in the article of cotton goods. With regard to woollen goods, the same returns gave the exports for .the same year, 1841, at about 200,0001, and there had also been a consider able export, of linen and other goods. Turning from, our own exports to the imports of that country, he found that in 1830 we had imported 30,9001b5. of wool, but at the present epoch we had imported no. less 'than five millions of pounds of that article. Having stated the importance of the trade of that part of the world, he now came to what he might call the diplomatic part of the question.: ,He had nponthis snbject received eom- . plaints of various sorts. It was thought that in conse e qiience of the suspension of commerce which had been caused by the hostilities between Buenos. Ayres and Monte Video, that France and England would have in terposed to put an end to such a state of things. It' was - within his own' knowledge, that a great part of those persons. ho had been previously advantageously employed inesuppryine th.ose articles which were sent in return for our, goods had been compelled to enlist in the army of Rojas., He, was sorry to say there had been very strong complaints made of . the conduct of our Minister out there . hut on thatmccasion he would no further refer to it. It had' been stated • that our Minis ter had been more favourable to - Buenos Ayres than to Monte -Video, but 'he trusted there was no ground for that statement.. Our naval commander, •on the other hand,.was said' to. be more favoureblelo Monte Video than to Buenos' Ayres ; and thus it appeared that they did not Tull ,together. Again, it was said the French commander hacKtaken a, different view of things to the English commander. It was from a hope that some course might be taken to bring- about a general harmony between the two Governments, by-the united efforts of England and France, that, he new, ventured to make this appeal - 'to the 'Right 'Honourable - Baronet oppo site (Sir Robert Peel): -Whether Justice was on the side of .Buenos. Ayres,. or of. Monte Video it was not forhiin'(Me. Ewart) to state. His sole object was the restoration of peace, and the return to the peaceful pursuits of industry . and commerce—(Hear, hear, from Sir R. Feel)—which might redound to the interests, not only of those two now hostile countries, but to this' country and to the world. He admitted freely that the general policy of the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) was a policy of peace, and he for one, as an independent Member of that House, would ever sup port him, or any other Minister, in that policy, so long as to do So was consistent with. our honour and dignity. —(Hear; hette.) He did not believe that the Right Hon. Baronet would consent to anything which wonld com promise our nationel honour, nor submit. to any unjust or tyranniCal exclusion of our commerce. He trusted, therefore, he would be .enabled, in .unison with that great anti high-minded man at the-head of the councils of France—and whom, .he thought, no one could look upon without admiration and regard —to arrive at some common understanding, 'by which hostilities might be stopped between Buenos Ayres and Monte. Video; and the . - peaceful relations and peaceful pursuits of all countries be restored. France was as much interested in this question as England; and as there was a common object to be attained, he trusted' there would be a common combination between the Governments of the two coun tries, to effect it. It ,vas with these views, and in this , hope,: he now begged to ask the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) if he could _communicate to the House .any inforniation upon this most important and interest ing subject....e-(Hertie hear.) Sir ROBERT PEEL said, in the first place, he would express the.very great satisfaction with which he, had heard; the observations" which had . fallen from the Hon. Member, .in the e ,cOnclncling portion of his address, with respect to his determination, although Opposed in . his :general politics to . him (Sir R. Peel ) , `' t o ' I put a' liberal -construction upon every act of the Executive which had for its object the continuance of amicable relations with France., The Hon. Member might depend upon it, that' no compromise of the honour of • this country would take place, and that' he and his friends around him were by" such conduct as he . had mowed his intention to pursue this greatly 'strengthening the hands of the Government, -instead of pursuing. that p e tt y course . adopted by others of stigmatising every measure of fair.: ',less and conciliation as a mean subserviency to France. He wished that a similar honourable feeling which had been declared that evening would be pursued in another' place, where the man, whose only desire was to main tain the . hohour of his own country, and respect the rights of others, had every unfair an.dungeherou *ob stacle thrown in his path. He sincerely believed 'that the Ministry of France were influenced by precieely the same motives as the Government of England, convinced that they might hare , every reciprocal advantage s en courage arts, promote industry, extend commerce, and contribute to the general civilisation and happiness of the world ; and that this good understanding, and . these good offices, were to be secur e d co n s i s t en tly with the most absolute independence on both sides, and with • the most scrupulous regard to the honour and character of each of thern.---(Hear, hear.) Ile avowed, there that such 'Was the principle he wished to act upon towards Fraece, and he would fearlessly. express his opinion that the same liberal and enlightened spirit characterised the conduct of France towards this country.—(llear, hear.) He (Sir R. Peel) fully agreed with the 'Hon. Gentleman (Mr. - Ewart) in respect- to:the consequences 'of the lamentable state of things arising out of this war between Buenos Ayres and 'Monte Video. Look at the Rio Plata—it was the great outlet of the vast southern coast of that great 'country: It was the channel 'byWhich. the produce of all that country must be-brought to ,Europe, and by which our own goods must be introduced into that country. And, therefore, he granted that nothing could be more vexa tious or injurious to the commercial interests of this country than. the continuance -in tbit quarter of the present state .of things. The complaint, too, was of .no Ordinary character, and had originated in' no ordinary cause. It' was a conflict of mere personal passions and personal inte orefsttbs,eatrindotleioisunatfrtih6se tebiepnerhoef,:o. peace and happineBs . and. greatly to the de, triment of all others who might hale :connexion with them.—(Hear, hear:) ellue!the Hon. Member (Mr. Ewart) must recollect in what • a delicate position this Government was placed, and how he (Sir R. Peel) fright forfeit his' character as a Minister of- peace if he interfered too vigorously - to bring' hoStilities to . a . 'cleee. Now, he begged to say that the Government, of which he had the honour to - bethe head, had done everything 'short of an armed. intervention for putting an end, to hostilities between - Buenee Ayres and Monte —(Hear, heat..) The - English Government first offered its good offices singly, and afterwards, with . France, offered a joint mediation.. This offer was accepted by. Video, and rejected by Buenos Ayres. No effort to bringnbotit'a better state of things had been left un tried by this 'country ; and he feared it would not be wise for .this • country, certainly not singly, to interfere by &ice of arms. He very much doubted if a tranquillity brought about by such'means would be effe 'W c tual. hether it might be advisable for the Po w ers t m o o i s n t te interested in ar A m h e ed pe i a n c t e e r o y f e t n h t i i s o in the case. of Greece—to bring ,matters to a termination , was, per haps, not wholly- undeserving of c ousideration. With n.q_urirter a the globe ns respect to the cond uc t pursue d by the British authori ties out there, they lamented greatly the state of things; and were disgusted at what they witnessed; and it _might be possible' that, iti their zeal, they had gone a little tea far. But if they had, it was from the best of all mo tives—a sincere desire to do all they could to put an end to the very unhappy and injurious - state of things then existing on the. Rio Plata. • Ile-trusted, however—and from what had recentli come to his knowledge he had 'reaassn to hope—that the 'present state of, thinget Agee, be altered ; and that whichever party was vi(- 40 0e -*tie would pursue such a policy , as would heal the teeth duff the past, con tribute to the mievid of trade tupxli r eal:amerce. and- t hemfeee ee,:ehaptereeeeetthdek4elitia l of the world.—(Hear, hear.) the eeneaution then dropped. SUPPLY. 'The Order of the Day for going into the Committee of Supply having been again read, Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD said he would only de tain the genie far one moment, whilst he expressed his inten tion not further to persevere in his efforts to stop thegrant of supplies until-the grievances. of the people had been redressed. Hp had persevered as -far as he could; but in-ceasing. to pere *ere he wished it to he understood that he protested against the competency of that House to make lavis sa /Ong - as the great body of the people were. tutrepresented in it._ He admitted he Was not backed bya•sufficient power of public opinion to make it desirable for him to continue his efforts ; but he wished it to be understood that:Whenever that power of opinion . should, in his judgment, be sufficient,. he should renew :his endeaiours. With - this protest-he should not further attempt to hinder the House goirig . on with - those supplies which the exigencies of the public service *ere said to reqUire.—(Hearhear..) •• . The House then went into the Committee of Supply. • --ARMY ESTIMATES. . . The first vote was for 158,2311. for defraying the charge of the General and Staff'officers in Great Britain' and Ireland, and foreign stations, except India, which was' agreed to with out any discussion. • • The next vote was for 90,308/. for charges of allowance of officers of the several public military establishments of Great Britain. Mr. WILLIAMS complained of the charge for the Com mander-in-Chief and his Staff being increased upwards of 2,00 C/. for the present year: He wanted to know why the present Commander-in-Chief was allowed so much more than the last. Lord Hill, as Commander-in-Chief, received 9/. 9s. 3d. a-day, while the •present Commander-in-Chief re ceived 161. Bs. 9d. a-da.y. Sir H. H ARDINGE said that the reasota.of the difference was this, the one was a field-Marshal, while the other was only a Lieutenant-General. After some short discuE.sion the. vote was agreed to, as were also the following votes : . 13,408/. to defray the charge of the Royal Military College, and the Hibernian School. 88,076/. for the volunteer Corps. L 6491. for the unprovided service of former years. 13,953/. to defray the nharges for the reward of distinguished services. 27,000/. to defray the charge of general officers. The next vote proposed was for a sum of 62,3001. for defray ing the allowances of•retired officers. . . Colonel RAWDON wished to know whether there would be any objection to permitting officers to retire on a superior rank, with the allowances only.of the rank which they then held? Sir HENRY HARDINGE thought there would be serious objections to such a propoSal. For instance, an officer, with the half-pay of a colonel, would have to support the rank of a general officer.—,The vote was then agreed to. The next vote proposed was for 450,3001. for half-pay allowances. Colonel RAWDON suggested that the sums retained for the support of officers in hospitals, suffering from mental aberration, should, when they were dismissed from hospital, be returned to them with interest. Sir H. HARDINGE Could not agree to the proposition. Dr. BOWRING said that 2,813/. was stated to . be the sum arising from the sale of commissions. Was that the only sum received by the Goveinmen't from that source? Sir H. HA RDINGE said that it was. Mr. W. WILLIAMS, in allusion to what had been stated by the Secretary at War as to the saving.effected in the half pay, would observe that in 1822 the total expense of the army was 3,782,0001., and this year it was 2,201,000/. He thought a much larger saving might have been effected in the half-pay. Sir H. HARDINGE said that in 1.22 there were 9,741 officers on half-pay, combatants and non-combatants, and the vote for half-pay for the year amounted to 807,811/. ; this year the number of officers on half-pay was 4,032, and the half-pay amounted to 450,000/., thus showing a diminution in the number of officers of 5,709, and in the amount of half pay of 420,8281. He should be very happy to grant the Hon. Gentleman any returns on the subject he might wish. Sir C. NAPIER slid the Gallant General had given them a pretty specimen of the mortality in the service, yet his Hon. Friend did not seem to think they died fast enough. Mr. WILLIAMS hoped that the, returns would show the number of officers on half•pay in 1818, as well as in 1822. Colonel RA WDON thought the Right Hon. and Gallant Gentleman must have misunderstood the question which he had put just now. He had meant to ask, if there would be any ob jection to allowing officers who had sold out to retain the rank which they held on quitting the service ? Sir HENRY HARDINGE said the subject had been con sidered by the Naval and Military Commission, and they had decided that it would not be proper to grant such permission, except in very extraordinary cases. The vote wis then agreed to. The next vote of 4,932/. fur the half-pay and pensions of fo reign officers, and for the' allowance to the widows and children of foreign officers, was agreed to without discussion. The next vote proposed was for a sum of 141,6101., for pen sions to officers' widows. Lord HOWICK wished to ask for some explanation respect ing the refusal of the pension to the widow of Colonel Fawcett, on the ground that her husband had fallen in a duel? Sir HENRY HARDINGE said that the Gallant Officer opposite had given notice of a motion on the subject for Mon day, and he thought that the discussion had better be postponed until that evening. He would, however, go on if the' Gallant Officer wished to take the discussion now. Captain BE RN A L—No. Sir HENRY HARDINGE would content himself with stating that he did not think that the circumstances of the duel were such as to justify him in recommending the widow to her Majesty for a pension, and his Bight Hon. Friend, with whom he had consulted, agreed with him in opinion. Captain BERNAL—Had postponed his motion till Monday, at the request of several 'Hon. and Gallant Members. He brought it forward as a distinct motion, because he doubted whether the subject would meet with so much attention as it deserved, if it were only discussed incidentally in Committees of Supply. Lord HOWICK could not agree to this vote without some explanation on the subject. He objected to a motion such as that of which the Hon. and Gallant Member had given notice, on the question being put that the Speaker do leave the Chair, con sidering as he did that it was interfering with the progress of public business. It was more constitutional and Parliamentary to discuss such a question in Committee of Supply, unless they were prepared to take the strong step of addressing the Crown on the subject of granting the pension to Mrs. Fawcett, a course which he for one was not disposed to recommend. He could not let the present vote pass without making some observa tion on the subject of the refusal of the pension. If the Go vernment were prepared seriously to take up the question of 'duelling and to do all in their power to discourage and put down that unchristian and improper practice, then he should acquiesce in the necessity, however painful, of refusing the pen sion to. Mrs. Fawcett. But if the Government were not pre pared so to deal with the general question, then the refusal of the pension to the widow of Colonel Fawcett was an act of great cruelty and injustice.—(Cheers.) Was it not manifest that officers were frequently punished for refusing to go out to fight a duel? Less than a year ago an officer had been sen tencedito be suspended from rank and pay upon the finding of a. court-martial for not taking steps to obtain immediate re dress for a gross outrage which had been offered to him. He knew that he should be told that the redress meant was that Which could be obtained by applying at the Horse Guarda. But he would say-boldly that that was a mere eva sion. —(Cheers. ) They all knew that the real redress was that which was called demanding satisfaction.—(Cheers.) He would ask the Judge-Advocate if a sentence of a court-martial had ndt been submitted to him without that evasion, in which an offer had been sentenced to punishment for declining to fight a: duel. The Right Hon. Gentleman had felt that a sentele in that shape was illegal, and could not be allowed to pas. ; but the fact of, such a charge having been enter tained ,by a court-martial, proved that what was really ex 'pectic' lof an officer was—not that he should appeal to the Horse Guards, but that he should take redress into his own hands.L(llear, hear.) If such things were allowed to go on , in the army, and no more effectual measures were adopted to put down.cluelling, it would.be the height of injustice to re fuse to' the widow of an officer, who had fallen in a duel, her pension. They might talk of the difficulty of legislation on the suhjectl, but it was in the power of the Government to prevent, duelling in the army without any legislative measuie whatever. Let them make known in an authoritative manner that the present system should not be permitted to continue. Let them call upon all officers who had received an insult o submit their ease to some superior authority. Let a Court of Inquiry be assembled to consider each case, and havinglascertained the merits of it, let them exercise the pre rogative of the Crown• by pronouncing the dismissal of the guilty arty. Let them give ample means for punishing per sons who were guilty of insults, which, uncle:• present circum stanceS, must lead to a duel. He would also have it made knownthat in every ease in which officers had recourse to duelling, all the parties concerned, both principals and seconds, 'should be dismissed the service. By these means they might put doWn the great evil of duelling in the army. He did not believe that it was impossible to put it down in the community generally. The first thing required was to mitigate the.undue severity of the existing law. The killing a man in a duel, althOugh ' nominally a great crime, 'was a crime of a different' ' nature from that of murder, and required a different punishment. And it was on account of the:undue severity of the punishment inflicted by law, that the law was not enforced. Let there be a moderate and just punishtrient inflicted by law upon those who engaged in duels, and let that law be uniformly and impartially enforced. Anothp- step, which should be adopted to do away with the necessity of duelling, was to , give to persons who had been in sulted 'some means of obtaining proper redress from the legal tribunals of the country. He did not think there would be difficulty in framing some law that would enable any person who might be insulted to obtain redress proportionate to that insult in a court of 'law. As he said before, there were two courses open to her Majesty's Government—either they might allow hings to remain as they had hitherto been; and if they did—i they would shut their eyes to the practice of duelling, and do not ing more than connive at its existence, then they ought to grant the pension to Mrs. Fawcett. ,The other course was, 'that they should set themselves seriously to work to put down the piactice altogether—not to look over a case of duelling, whoe4r might be the parties concerned. They could not d forget the case lately of a person in a high and distinguished statio —a station which made the offence infinitely more aggra ,ated than it could be in a military officer. In that most remarkable case, he thought that the high authorities before whom lit had been brought had acted improperly. The Go vernmrnt had passed over that offence, which had attracted so much notice, as one of the most venal crimes—in such con e. duet t' to be offends must ( 'ere was no consistency. One line or the - other ought adopted; they ought to act impartially against all rs ; or, if not, they ought not to be guilty of what he Insider the cruelty and injustice of refusing to the widow of one of the unfortunate victims of this most unhappy system the pension which, it was very possible, her circum stance might render most particularly necessary. Captain BERNAL did not consider himself open to the lec ture which the Noble Lord the Member for Sunderland had thougljt r, fit to read him on constitutional law. He had con 'suited ther gentlemen, who were as competent to give an *opinion as the Noble Lord, upon the course he had adopted, and'nothing had fallen from the Noble Lord in the course of his'speech which would hinder him from moving, on going into the Committee of Supply, the special notice of the House to the case of Mrs. Fawcett. Sir H. HARDINGE said the speech sof the Noble Lord was not characterised by his usual fairness. The Noble Lord knew that the case of the unfortunate lady was to be brought forward orilUceiday, and yet he now took occasion to discuss the entire question-of military discipline, notwithstanding the opportunity which he" Would have 'of discussing the subject cn Monday. This was a vote for the pensions of widows. After he (Sir H. Hardioge) had stated the grounds upon upon which he refused the pension, be thought if the Noble Lord took a different view from that of the Gallant Officer, it would have been more si propriate if he consented to postpone his observations till: I Gallant Officer's motion was before the House. With regard • other parts of the Noble Lord's speech, viz., that officers in the army were expected to fight their way out of any difficulty by andi hat that practice was connived at by individuals at the, head of the army, he must give the Noble Lord, notwithstanding his having been so long Secretary-at- War; the strongest contradiction. He did not believe that the statement of the Noble Lord was borne out by facts. •He was confilent the Noble-Lord could not produce any case where any officer was brought to a court-martial arid cashiered, for-not havingfought,a duel in consequence of an insult offered to him. Officers,, by the Articles of War, were liable to be -cashiered fo'r' fighting . a: duel. It was .stated in one of the -Araks of-War; that•auy officer who., should give,liend, or proms mote a challenge, or accuse an officer of disgrace for refusing a challepge, should be brought to a court-martial, and be cashiered. Another article set forth that if an officer behaved in a scandalous and-infamous manner, and unworthy the con duct of a gentleman and an officer, he was also to be tried by a court-martial, and cashiered ;• and in another article, it was stated expressly, by order of her Majesty, that every officer was acquitted of disgrace for refusing to fight or accept a challenge. Having thus shown what was required by the articles of war, in the case of any officer who refused to fight, or accept a challenge, he asked how it was possible for any body of officers, upon their oaths—men of education—who were told that it was no disgrace to refuse a challenge, to try a man for conduct unbecoming an officer, and notwithstanding their oaths, tell him that he was cashiered for not fighting a duel ? Why, such conduct would be a violation of oaths, of decency, and of common sense, and he did not believe the Noble Lord could adduce any case of that nature. The Noble Lord had had opportunities of proving if there were such cases. While Secretary at War, he had, in accordance with his duty in that high station, to recommend these Articles to her Majesty, and when the Noble Lord told him that. the Government possessed the power of putting down duelling in the army, and that it ought to be put down, he asked the Noble Lord what he had been about during the five years he was in office, and why he had not taken some such steps in that direction which he found fault with the present Govern ment. for not taking? But he could assure the Noble Lord that the subject had not escaped • the attention of her Majesty's Go vernment. However, as some•reforms were to be submitted to her Majesty on the matter, he was precluded from entering more particularly into it at present. With respect to the Noble Lord's statement, that officers were broke for not fight ing duels, he (Sir H. Hardinge) would refer to the case of which an Hon. Gentleman, a few evenings ago, had said an account had come by the last mail from the West Indies, where an officer was tried for having submitted to an insult. Of course he could not mention the name of the officer, but he would read the charge against an officer who was brought to a court-martial in the year 1843, for scandalous and infamous conduct, unbecoming the character of an officer and a gentle man in submitting to be chargad with ungenileinatilike and blackguard conduct, and with no- refuting the store charge, or reporting it to his commanding officer, or taking measures to exculpate himself from charges so derogatory to his character. Now he (Sir H. Hardinge) thought that that officer ought to have gone before his brother officers and asked them to try the charge ; but, according to the Noble Lord's version, the officer was tried for refusing to fight a duel. Such a thing was most improbable. He ( Sir H. Llardinge) had been for 40 years in the army, and he had neverheard of such a case as the Noble Lord ima gined. He would give another instance in the same year of 1843. He took the most recent eases as the Noble Lord said that the system was going on at the present day of officers being forced by the regulations of the service to fight duels when they ought to have the matter settled by a Court of Inquiry. The case was this :—ln April, 1843, an officer was tried for scandalous and infamous conduct, unbecoming an officer and a gentleman, in having submitted to be stigmatised as a " liar" and a scoundrel," and suffering other opprobrious epithets to be ap plied to him by another individual. The Court found him guilty, and he was cashiered. He (Sir H. Hardinge) had in quired into that ca.e, and he found that that individual had con ducted himself in a most ungentlemanlike manner, and that he had not dared to face an inquiry by his brother officers.—( Hear, hear.) Accordingly they forced him to a court-martial. How such cases could be distorted in the way in which the Noble Lord had done, he (Sir H. Hardinge) could not understand. Indeed; in the case of one officer in sulting another, and not making a demand for explanation, he might be put into " Coventry" by his brother officers, and thus find himself in a Very unpleasant position.—( Hear, hear.) Well, he would take the Noble Lord upon that point. He knew the case of a field officer, who; being a religious individual, and having conscientious scruples on the matter, declined to fight a duel, because he -felt that he ought not to sin against the laws of God. The officers of his regiment, from the manner in which his name was used, in consequence felt very uneasy; but the present Commander-in-Chief protected him to the extent of having the matter inquired into. The cause of quarrel was' investigated, and the result was that the proper conduct of that field officer was corrobo rated and confirmed, and his brother officers withdrew their objection to him, and he was now one of the most respected officers in the service. • Again in 111t04 Sir Charles Morgan, in the case of a lieutenant who had associated with the surgeon of his regiment, notwithstanding his having b een co ll are d an d struck by hien; and svho had been brought to trial for conduct unworthy an 'officer—in that case Sir Charles Morgan wrote an observation upon the second article of the charge to the effect that it was tantamount to making it a crime to refuse fighting a duel, and that if he had been aware of it before the investigation that he would not • have suffered the article to have been brought forward. He ( Sir H. Hardinge) could only appeal to the Noble Lord, that in every case with which he had anything to do, and having made eeery possible inquiry at the Horse Guards with respect to other cases, he count not find an instance of • an officer being brought to trial because he was wanting in courage to fight. a duel. Colonel FOX asked the lion. and Gallant Gentleman if he did not know of any instances of the Sovereign dispensing with the services of officers, because they were put into Coventry for not fighting a duel ? That he believed • was generally the way in which cases of that kind were disposed of. Sir H. H A RDINGE said if he understood the question of the Gallant Officer, it seemed to imply that the Sovereign of the country was a party to punishing officers for not fighting duels. Colonel FOX—The Sovereign acting by the advice of the Ministers of the Crown. • Sir HENRY HA RDINGE knew no instance of an officer's services being dispensed with in such a case, except where the harmony of the regiment rendered it necessary to remove cer tain officers.—( Hear, hear, from Lord Ilowick.) But the Noble Lord could not expect that the army should be sub jected to restrictions and restraints to which other parts of the community were not subjected. 'Sir A. L. HAY tieked what would be the condition of officers in the army if they were not allowed to take steps to remove any stigma which any young and ill-tempered officer might happen to cast upon them ? He questioned if duelling was as prevalent in the army as in other portions of the community. They might de away with duelling in the army by means of - statutes, but he would tell them that they ought to pause be fore they prevented the officers of the. British army from assert ing their honour and repelling indignity. Captain BERNAL said a very wide field had been opened by the discussion, which had taken place, and he thought it was necessary to consider at once whether it were right to go into the whole question on the present motion.—( Hear, hear.) He was perfectly prepared to discuss the subject whenever it should be the pleasure of the House to do so. There was a vast deal to be said upon it.—( Hear.) The whole system was an anomalous one. They had statutes which pronounced duelling to be an offence nothing short of murder. —( Hear, hear.) They had juries endeavouring to evade these practices ; they had judges, who were prepared to give them the go- bye ; whilst the majority of that House were always ready to assist in the evasion. Under these circumstances, would any man say that the widow of an officer who had fallen in a duel should, on that account, be deprived of a pension ? ( Hear, hear.) Let them either say at once that an officer of the army should be supported in his conscientious views, or let them be prepared to treat his widow, if he fell in a duel, in the -same manner that they would treat the widow of an officer who fell in battle. He (Capt. Bernal) had no wish to interfere with the discretion of the Crown. He knew perfectly well that no „officer's widow had an absolute right to a pension. He would not, however, enter into the question on the present occasion, considering, as he did, that it ought to form the subject of a substantive motion.—( Hear, hear.) Without assuming to himself the light of advising the Committee, he must say that he thought it would be much better to waive any Waller dis cussion. Colonel FOX explained. Mr. P. BORTHWICK said the question simply was, whe ther a particular lady should be deprived of a: pension which under ordinary circumstances she would have received, merely because another person had committed a crime. As at present advised he (Mr. P. Borthwick) thought it would be a most unjustifiable mode of punishing an offence to visit it upon the person who 'did not perpetrate it, and who,-of all persons in the kingdom, would have been most anxious to prevent it had it been in her power. Lord HOWICK said the Hon. and .Gallant Officer near him (Sir A. Leith Hay) hod argued that duelling was abso lutely necessary in the army. Now, jie slid not ask them to pronounce an opinion either way ; but he did ask them either to sanction or discourage it consistently.--( Hear, hear.) If they sanctioned duelling, it was nothing less than gross cruelty and injustice to deprive Mrs. Fawcett of her pension ;. if they came to a resolution to put down the practice, then, however painful, it might perhaps be necessary to pursue that course. The Hon. and Gallant Officer opposite (Sir Henry Hardinge) had only answered his argument in a miserable spirit of personality.—( Cries of "No, no," from both sides of the House.) He repeated the observation. He had brought the question• forward as a general one, and what was the Hon. .and Gallant Officer's reply ? Why - he said that the Mutiny Act provided so and so, and he asked, why, if that was not sufficient, he (Lord Howick) had not added to its provi sions. What did it signify whether he did, or did not, during the time he held the office of Secretary at War, suppress duel ling in the army ? The Hon. and Gallant Officer knew very well that questions connected with the discipline of the army never came under his (Lord Howick's) notice, except when some particular difficulty arose; and during the time that he was Secretary at War, it-so happened that.there never was a case similar to that of Mrs. Fawcett's. His notice was never called to this anomaly, and therefore it was that he had never thought of adopting any means for its removal. But he begged to tell the Hon. and Gallant Officer, that if while he was Se cretary at War a case had been brought before him, in which he was called upon to exercise the painful discretion of ad vising her Majesty not to grant a pension to an officer's widow because he had fallen in a duel, he would not have given that advice unless he had been prepared to carry out the principle, and to take every measure in his power to put an end to duelling in the army.--( Hear, hear.) Now what was the argument of the Hon. and Gallant Officer? He to ted, and he believed correctly, that officers, practically and substantially, were brought before courts-martial for refusing to fight duels. It was perfectly true that the letter of the law was against duelling-the articles of war were most express and decisive ; but the officer was called upon to do nothing unbecoming the character of a gentleman, and if he received an insult without taking immediate steps for redress, he was liable to a court-martial. An officer had been brought before a court-martial in India for an offence of that description. The charge was that he had received a blow, and had not taken steps to obtain that legitimate and immediate redress to which he was entitled for so gross an insult. The measures were an appeal to a superior authority and a duel. Put it was per fectly well known that if an officer took the course of appealing to a superior authority, he had the punishment inflicted upon him which was known - by the name of being sent to Coventry. Under penalty of this sentence, he was virtually compelled to choose the alternative of the duel. Sir HENRY H A RDIN GE inquired as to the particulars of the case to which the Noble Lord referred. Lord HOWICK safd the case was exactly what lie had stated. Ile rather thought that the officer belonged to the Indian army, but the two services were governed exactly by the same rules. In another caso, a field-officer had been actu ally sent to Coventry for refusing to fight a duel on religious ground.. The Hon. and Gallant Officer ( Sir A. Leith Hay ) had argued that duelling was the keystone of the honour of the army. Sir A. LEITH HAY said he had not used that expres sion.—( Hear, hear. ) Lord HOWICK begged the Hun. and Gallant Officer's pat don. Ile had meant only to state the purp , rt of his argument. The Hon. and Gallant Officer had argued that duelling:was necessary to maintain the discipline and honour of the army. Sir A. LEITH HAY—lllost certainly. • Lord HO WICK—In the case to wkich he had just referred, had the officer been a sebaltern. instead of a field-officer, he would probably have been forced out of the army.—(Hear, hear.) He would again say that they were imperatively called upon to adopt a decided course, and, not suffer. the present anomalous state of things to continue. ' Captain BERNAL hoped the Hon. and Gallant Officer (Sir H. Hardinge) would not be tempted by the Noble Lord's re marks into the discussion of this subject.—( Loud cries of" Hear, hear.") He thought eothing could be more unfair than the attack made by the Noble Lord, but he trusted that the Right Hon. Gentleman, against whom it was directed would main tain a judicious silence.—( Hear, hear. ) Sir H. HARDIN GE said the Noble Lord bad talked of miserable perSonaliiies, He left it to the House' to k say remark.— (Hear, the Noble Lord was ju s tified in that emako (Hear, and cheers.) He had simply reminded the Noble Lord, that the ,present Government had been in .officey two years, and asked him why the late Government had not, wt remedied the evils of which he complained.. He would - be ready to meet the Noble Lord whenever the question came on fairly for discussion, but he hoped the Committee wo uld not discuss it on the present motion. He thought that very • little good could arise from discussing the subject of duelnsit that evening. With respect to the constitution of a Court 0 1 Honour, which should inflict certain punishments, pecuniarY or otherwise, in hi s opi n i on it wou ld no t be attended with any beneficial results. He was of opinion, that pecuniary fine; would not be popular in England. In former days the Royal power interfered most beneficially with duelling. He need 0 4 • renal to the recollection of the House the numerous instances in which that power had been so exercised, with the hap piest effects. He believed that unless that power were re stored to the Crown, it would be impossible to put down duelling. It was in vain to look to legislation to remedy the evil. H believed it could only be cured by the state of Po' pular feeling on the subject.—The vote was then agreed to. 2,327,196/. was then voted for the pensioners of Kilmainhan3 Hospital. On the motion that 38,0001. be granted for retired allowances, Colonel RAWDON s aid th a t h e th oug ht this was a Prop er f opportunity of mentioning that C o l one l M oo re, the brother of Sir John Moore, had given up his retired allowance when be found that his private fortune was suffidient to enable him to live without it.—The vote was agreed to. ORDNANCE ESTIMATES. Captain I3OLDERO, in rising to move the Ordnance E 5;. tiroates, said that there had been an expense of about 93, 80 t in the expenditure upon the Sappers and Miners. But in the expense of barracks and barrack masters there was a dintio% tion to the amount of ItiB,ooo/. ; and that reduction sisou,_ have been greater if it had not been necessary to augment tne commissariat in China. An additional charge would be OS ces , ary for the expense of rebuilding the powder-works a' Waltham Abbey. At the Cape of Good Hone also, an diture was incurred, inconsequence of the destruction of one wing of the fort, occasionea by the indiscretion of two children , playing with lucifer matches. The charges for the restoration of the Tower would not be felt by the country, for in the T . propriation of the now building to the purposes of stores t. country would be compensated for the expense. By ealculanng the price of fuel in the two countries he found that the ante to an officer in England would be 61. 10s. a year, Eder • Ireland 71. 10s. Since they had been in office they b? • , fected a reauction in the Ordnance estimates of 303,4831. the nually. He hoped this would be taken as an earnest of t integrity of their desire to reduce the expenditure as much $ ' possible. Dr. BOWIIING said he did not intend to divide the C4rl - on any of these items, nor did he mean to detain the _ •, Committee, except to regret that a similar course had not been ~, adopted in the ordnance as in the other votes. He saw Oil; ~.•1 large part of the expense was incurred for the colonies ; f thought that the colonies ought" bear part of the burden °‘, their own defence. He saw .that the lonian Islands did 0, Or . 1 why not the oth.rs? Sir HOWARD DOUGLAS said; as - the lonian Islands b been referred to, he hoped he might be allowed to make a fe cf ' observations with respect to them. They formed a most i of teresting country, front their soil; their position on the 'err°. civilisaton, their climate, and classic associations. These ieivilr taPr • had been thrown back on this country for regeneration and zation. But their progress had been arrested, and their prospef e l injured, by the fixed csroribution which they were consaeuxa s to pay out of their revenue, to this country, towards th e s „, • penFe of their military defence. That contribution !,:"; ; 35,000/. a year, for this purpose alone ; other expenses bi o e , l , , s ? were compelled to pay, raised that sum to 54,0001. At Y e a ,. The whole revenue of the islands, some years ago , • a , ' 180,0001. ;. it had since been so much reduced that it was 0 ,,1 - • • no more than 100,000/. ; the fixed contribution thetel,4. amounted to no less than 50 per cent. of the revenue. He P t ;l 0 ; been unceasing in his representations to the Governor' .0 S." the necessity of making some abatement in this contributiot t e i s S i favour of the islands. The depreciation in the price of t",,,,a , chief exports, currants and oil, had dried up the sources et 's ec ' ;a' . venue, and though they had reduced taxation and made e. ve l f, 4 sacrifice possible, the contribution was found to be excess e e e i f 4, ' ) f A oppressive. The state of their public institutions seal ,as r lamentable. There were no asylums, and the lunatics ta c eo), mingled together with felons. The lonian Islands were sl ot colonies ; they were in an anomalous position hetWede colonies and independent States. They should tl e i b e ir their duty to that interesting people unless ' a' reduced somethingof that fixed contribution.—(Lord Stse! e t osase' s "We have done it.") He appealed to the Government, w is g, they he had not brought forward this question stronglY a w i g.:r:a7; last year ; and he asked the Noble Lord whether he was deal s ss fairly with him, as a friend and supporter of the Governtseli in not acquainting him with the step he had taken. He 1: 0 0-St' 0 appeal to the House to say whether the Noble ,Lord had isist o s tla justice to him in not communicating to him what the % a t aS, Lord said he had done. But he would still exercise his t s ,„ig Li t he Des l " making these representations to the Committee. In bet no poor of the island were begging about the streets, there uss n 2 no poor-house to receive them. He built a poor-house/1;r; :0,, it answered exceedingly well ; hut a few months ago, ;.. as is,s'a • peered that it was abolished. He would appeal to the aiSS.SS. mittee whether he had not a right to state these ci res t p stances ; and he appealed to them again to say vl be boi the Noble Lord had treated him as he ought to have got in not first communicating with him, after he had mist ae,rd / a a case so strong that the Noble Lord himself requested KJ." would not press for the production of the papers, the esd er s sal which was yet uncancelled by the House. If he had ar e ' os , for those papers he should have bad the credit of 110 0 5 ') complished the redaction. The conversation on this subject then dropped. t Mr. WILLIAMS complained of the immense arnottnoi,a,;4 money spent in building fortifications and new barracks., 6 0 0/.,407 5 a barracks at Manchester alone were put down at _ a il s ", ol asy There were others also at Newport and Bristol. What „`'t • there in the state of Manchester that required those boss s s alf now more than at any former time? He thought this aln * :" •• s srit a • the erection of new barracks was most enormous. 1013 Captain PECHELL, in alluding to the late militia,' ;4 40 ) 9r,f, which had occurred at Brighton, said, that after the serieslSS punishment which had been inflicted upon the 'offender a ti s e t did not wish to do more than allude very briefly to the Ina be' Damage to the amount of 501. had been done, and it was : o rs fore stated that compensation would be made by the reg gn ae. to the foreigner whose home had been attacked. All hi s o P i p s perty had been de s troyed, and he was now without the to a S of subsistence ; and he (Captain Pechell) hoped that the ~0141" 4 , Hon. Gentleman also would suggest some means for ret ie ': s r) the distresses of those persons. ti' to a Sir H. HARDINGE said that whatever might have ...s a ire s ' s ') intention of the soldiers originally with respect to,raising**J'Sd scription amongst themselves for the purpose of repaylng ar asfx s expenses and damage done, the course adopted by t h. e T r , ' 4 ) . 4 secutor's solicitor had entirely frustrated it. VAIM After a few words from Mr, AGLIONBY and Sir H. """ ' • DING E in reply, the vote - was agreed to. A sum of 110,707/. was then voted, to defray the OW • l e A l of the Royal corps of Engineers, and Sappers and Miners,. 343,5271. was voted to defray the expenses of the gusnery department. aett 391,197/. was voted to pay the salaries of barrack -0e on foreign stations. tda , A vote of •483,7211. was then proposed for defrayinfts, charges of the ordnance works, &c —This vote was agree A vote of 166,7961. was then proposed for the exp ert the ordnance surveys. In answer to a question from Colonel RAWDON, . n ireSs•": Sir R. PEEL said the Report of the surveys takee inky,, land land would be laid before the House in the course of the • The vote was then agreed to. RV • , A vote of •229,5801. for the expenses of ordnance stor es •,. then proposed. . . In answer to a question from Sir C. NAPIER, o aile"' Captain BOLDERO said that in all new ships th e. and marines were supplied with the new muskets. iar eo The vote was then agreed to. the y • . 1 „.,1 A vote of 163,6801. was proposed for defraying. use ;; o os o of the superanuation and pension list. Captain PECHELL wished to call the attention essofsf, Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary-at-War to ,a, dt o ' some hardship. A poor pensioner had been eompe" e aster 2a'l into a workhouse, and during the time he was there his P i e sa thei. t as, was withdrawn. When he was discharged from the pension was renewed, but its proceeds were taken by net dians until the expenses to which they had been Pl e etira, maintenance during his stay in the workhouse ha d frayed. He (Captain Pechell) wished to know if tb legal? Sir H. HARDINGE said it undoubtedly was n ot. The vote was then agreed to. o f g' A vote was agreed to of 174,688/. for the caper , ' • las ; missiriat supplies. • 'W s' V •ar sr' The CHAIRMAN then reported progress and tbe sasa-, resumed. , I • The House then resolved itself into a Committee ° • , qte and Means. . 44 ;0 The 'CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ' ll° ' • O. • • 'l)* of 8,000,000/. out of the Consolidated Fund. o rder ed The vote was agreed to , and the Report was brought up on Monday next. • fr' The House then resumed. 'the „ Dr. BOWRING presented a petition regardi n g chester Railway.—(Against it as we understood.) 0 (1 1 ' o , ', The other Orders of the Day were then disposed °e• it House adjourned at a Quarter past Eleven &Clock. • • 00 [ADVER ME TISENT.]—DROPSIES GURA , '"-- LE Char- o t, I.(WAY'S PII , I.S.—EXTRAORDINARY Liggle, residing in one of the almshouses in Char s aso, 0. Westminster, was by the wate r y d r opsy so drettdfo l. l l l s 'ol t e r in body and legs as to be increased to double h er a.aced , Medical man had declared her past all cure (1f.. 0 .1t0`4, 4 death was daily expected), yet, however eastraordin" tellfter appear, she was reduced several inches in hulk i l c i a a. fer only few doses of the above extraordinary tua l k e t curet t e wonderful remedy may be considered as a P e . ; 3 * s ,Seesl i Sott any kind of dropsy, however long-standingosLWite. • case may be.—Sold at Professor Holloway's be' 244, Strand (where advice may be had gratis), area s a2So all respectable medicine venders througho tt *o., IJ . world, in pots and boxes at ls. nd., 2s. 9d., vi be • and :335. each. e 1e0 11 1: t i s sta The Dublin Papers state that Mr. d ying th e oil was examined as Witness for the Crown d u o 'oeet trials, has ceased to be the Dublin Corse' ) Morning _Herald. . • gasc BIRTHS., o f th e On the 3d nit ,at Larkhill, Worcester,•the I ° 4 -• ' George Bayley, of a son. of " On the 23d ult., at Boulogneasurslller-; 4,11 e•;„ lx' .- ir et. Eeq , Bengal Civil Servieca talsOlas ,S e a s s a . ' On the 28th tilt at Caen; Madattelicla r r. oie e, ullagar , a daughter. a • of ' 1 l • On the 2d inst., Mrs. John Edward of Sussex, of a son. . goo- 1 , P'- On the 3d inst., the lady of Mark Willie' , • •.,,, o ropt Albany-road, Camberwell, of a daughter. , On the 3d inst., at the Vicarage House , Asn' burt°ll' th e the lady of the Rev. W Marsh, of a son. e, On the 2(1 inst., at Monti)ellier - ter rae Ri ff lady of E. H. Blakency, Esq., the ladf. • meat, of a son. • • stare'', On the 6th inst., at Clapham-rise , . eno t f Deur . Mathews, Esq., of a daughter. lad ° On the 6th • 31't• 1 , tone the. Y inst., at . s n . g enes • c da Colonel Grifliths, of a FOIC 1'011513 ^ fad, , On the 7th inst., at Gloucester -place; Or f° lady of the Rev. W. Palmer, Of St• Gill's daughter. .. • Royal Cana tau ;of 11. .211.111. 1 ? 1 E D, to On Crichton, 14 , 3 0f1'at" 7 , Loveday, eldest daughter of W. 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