The Sun. — London, England, 1844-06-26 00:00:00

THE , SUN, LONDON WRDNESDAV MORNING, JTJNE 26, 1844.. . , -', . V,,, , , r,, i ...'"................. - , ---- ---e-asses-,-.--,-...,,....„-........._ -, . _ In ' Irld the-- 1 ... _. ... ... ..._ ...___ . ... sen . ._ .. . ~. - _ ....... i i i nt la s 011 e none anything to enable the people A n ti.-Corn-law L e ague bad adopted of going amongst igo into the abstratet proposition. He would not ask the • been two harvest§ since the acceesion of the present t p tln en t .; . Agent tlh• poer-le.w?-(lieer, hear.) No,e cons tit u encies w i t h w hom they were not et all connected. House to consider what would be the' effect of the repeal. Ministry-the most favourable harvests-and yet upon n 'l L 'ld) icenn' el ,itleman, " hut you " (addressing Mr. H e b e li e ved that th e repeat of the corn-laws would be a' of the corn-IaWS upon those classes who depended upon this incomplete experience, the Right Hon. Gantlet - tem (rare.' ' tg m ag to ceneiiiase the eich by support- w o r k o f time, a nd time only, and he believed that Hon. agricultural labour for their meintainens'e. It might be would have the ilituse to assu:ne that the present corn e'ah ha ! e a ' i l t c °,ra - laws, for then is no other way in G en tl e men o pp os ite I sere convinced that the corn-leas • true that the law which imposed a tax upen the iniporta- lasx ensured steadiness of price. He thonglit the Right 1 1 , ', I sseei .g n n,their taveur then by tip'.loldine this ' were d oo med. He s hould vote for the repeal of the corn- tion of any commedity limited its consumption Hon. Gentleman would wit be prepared-to say that the ,1 1 :, -, t ea: ,. \ "t i , e, n toese whe propo e to repeal it."- lawe as the onlv colirse for him to adopt. That seas a question on which he was not then called present law wuuld stand one bad harvest, He would n.t: n: t h e , ii .,, , ,' ncre wtte anotser law, the slave trade, er r , GLADSTONE said that he was anxious to take upon to enter. The Hon. Gentleman had made a speech discuss the question as to ,whether the present Ministry t ; hal i e , `t''" , of e hich tile same eppos'eon was an ear ly o ppo r tueity of addre,sing the House, because which was opposed to the whole protective system.- had more wisdoM than their predecessors,' but they cer 'tes ois _1,),1 . ), the s ane . g: . flui d s as was n.,w mede the House would probably be anxious to know what (Opposition cheers.) The Hon. Gentletnan. could hardly titinly had better weathere-(Hear, hear, and laughter.) et'. 515,'4 1 13 , l it.i‘-lo of ibe Cie ialew, He was glad that course I h e G o vernment intended te take with respect to expect him to go into the argument .as to the grounds The Right Hon, Gentleman said, that, nothing had been 'tv . h 7 -‘,.. , e ! ''s '2"se to t•ite the authority of a statcs- tt e i„ mo te ee It would be his duty to endeevour to per. on 'which the protective system had originally been done in the present year, to break down the protective "k.e,,t e r e c ' l '." 1 o'zi-tut wcs eot erten restricied by s uade the Honse to meet the 'Lotion with a d:reet liege- adopted; and what encouragement did the Hon. Gentle- system. He said the alteration of the law respecting the : 11 teel s . •' ''' ire e ioelianite . (Tle Item Member tive, i n o rder to do that, it would he necessary for him men hold out to those who miertit be inclined te modify duty on wool was no diminution Of protection, because • .ee , ene , ~ a• . e t' tee n c .• sct is m a seeeeli of Mr. Pitt in the .t o re f e r briefly to the amen - Iment which had been pro- that system? None whatever. He would accept of no it le , as injurious to the wool-grower, as it prevented the ', rate, ch. '', he'l ti , nof the Slave trade, in Wbiai .postd. The question that would be submitted to them first measure short of total rep ell. -(Oppoeition cheers.) consumption of British wooL He (Lord John Russell) ,` . iiiie r ee n l i e .° ' a'h he " eetild not understand the wo uld be that the words proposed to be left out stand The Hon. Gentleman did not argue that the corn-laws entirely agreed with the Right Hon. Gentleman in his t otii e i - ""'"Il e leW ilidiVilltrilS ,110Uld 13 , ! allOW(3 ,1 part of the question. It they affirmed that question, they afforded too much protection, or thet they affinnled pro- statement, for he thought the duty on wool was: injurious i t t l . l, : le. " s ' r ef iatertote egainet the rights aid the lives wou ld then have to vote aye or no to the motion of the teetion to the agricultural interest different from that and mischievous to the wool-growers in this country, He I.7tf'- e „, ,: 1- ° dd net eetiersteed sue!: a. principle as H o n. Member for Wolverhampton. He thought the which was afforded to every other interest ; and it was thought this was the present state of the corn-lawse:He l z ,,_efte t i:, - , 1 ,', 4) ,." 1 i"g eo tklek ,. (l SO infamous asr tem, or Houee, and he thouz„ht the Hon. Member f r Knares- competent for him to coutend, in oppositien to the Hon. believed that there would be a far greater consumetion Ctit,:rs''''e "f a few pnnters, thoussnds should be borough himself would see that it wes desirable they . Gentleman, that as the prineiple of protection was ac- of wheat if they had a better corn-law, and therefo;e he Otte o irl'ehial and inoderable misery. He eh- should vote aye or no to a question of so much import- ! knowl !dged by our law, it was wily a practical exem- said- that the present corn-law was injurious to the agri -0 wi, h ~ o us shstem. an Ihe celled ueou the . House ance, and that it ought net to be meet by any indirect plification of that 1 tw, to give proteetion to the agricul- cultural interest themeelvee. If there should be a pros itZ''l lo:t ine ', "ice and cl maed its ab ,lition, 'He propnsition. The amendment of the Hon. Member , tural interest. He objected to this motion, be- poet of a bad harvest, but a goed•harvest should actually s„ eli ere , . e spoke e jilt wermth, RnA if he could for Knareebormeh mixed up with this q uestion many cause a confidenee in the stability of a law . occur, the merchant, under the present law, would be ‘ - t.") riu tse he - onll netest ioin- elf for his modera- other matters of great importance. With respect to the %sae of the utmost impertance.-(Gheers.) The ! induced to make a considerable importation upon which ei l li p se ; . " d"elara.tton of Mr. Pitt :eight be applied Hon. Gentleman's proposition ree n e ding m a chinery, he . Noble Lord cheered that. If confidence in the see- .he would inevitably sustain a loss. In on the contrary. L i tt th e '''' t c•se.-(Heer, he ir ) When one coo- (Mr. Glanstene) could not g ive it his support. His con- bility of a law was to be undermined by agitation, what they should hive a bad harvest, and that bad harvest l l 'ut, a, e F i "rrnoes Metthief tione toliundre‘ls of thou seientious conviction was that. however great the hard- , hope was there that he e mild restore confidence hy a ; should occur suddenly, then a sudden importation would to .' e "t Ini PO • . . V" th n • i ne, by the ep.Tatien ot to , sy-tem. ship,: the labourer had to undergo in consequence fixed duty?-(Cheers.) It was clear the Neble L ird . take place, and the lamer would be the party to suffer. k'ner nte e 'noose would it, for the s ke of coneulting of machinery, yet if that mac hinery were to be restricted would find himself in the same position us the defenders 1 The Ilen. Gentleivan, the Member fer Wolverhampton, i,grea tet ' ():' a few great men, a..aand in prin&ples 01 it would at the same time re:trict the means of the present lax. for the arguments of the Hon. Hem- asked the House to go into Cemmittee for the puposenf 00....,,,,' "an'ages and refuse to redeem the grt atest of hundreds of the workir e g classes from obtaining sub- ; ber for Wolverheinron would equally apply to his pro. ! voting this resoletion. ' The lion. Gentleman, in the et, /I t ' livers.) sistenre. He hopsd tee Honourable Member would i position. The sense of Parliament had been alreadylero- ! latter part of his speech quoted what he considered pre 7 it,. •it w i . ; e . ' .. , ear. De no , 0 she inch d the reeolution. allow the metion t,f the Honeuralde Member for , ncenteed with regard to the present cora-la v, and he cedents for a sudden ab dation ot duty. He (Lord J. Rus nehhei:.,l,AlN i) rose to move the amendeunt of Wolverhampton to come fairly before the House, end . trtu , ted they would give the law that stebility wh'cli ' sell) must say aitat he did not think that his Hon. Friend it''' fer ti e l u given notiee. • Ile seid it weeld be imaos- reserve the subject or his amendment to a separnte die, anise from the exhihition, on their part, of giving a fair '. wes alne to produce precedents which at all bore him a,ttori t e l " ~Hon. -Gent;etnen Cdr. Villiers) to make cuseion. D e no w ca me to the motion of the I lonoureble , trial to a law of which they had not as yet a c imprehen- ; out in his assettion. The precedents his Hon. - Friend e L e le! etasn s ;intik that he had their ieterests in Member fly W o l ve rhanap•on. ' The Honourable '1 entle- ' sire experience ; but all the experience they lied of it had taken were the aholiti ., n of the beer-tax and the ', , hti 4 ,l'orking clessee had orned their eyes. to the man sa id that n o Member on that (the Ministerial) eide realiied the most sanguine expectations that had h - en ; slave-trade. He (Lord Joho Russell) thought these ik;teee s „Pe Anti' CorinlaW Leaeue, and that bi elf of th e Reu se wou ld ev,r have the courage to get up and i formed of it.-(Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman the I were no precedents at all. The first. consequence they ',Nit, v is ed tiod dete,ted, that tie•y dared not hold s l y th a t. t he c orn-laivs were main•ained fur the benefit . ' Member for Wolverhampton and himself were beth for ' might expect from such a sudden change as the Hon. 1, - litee el m eetiog in the naanufacturing districts. The of the filmier. • Hi.• (Mr. Gladstone) theught the H.,- ; stability, But the Hen. Gentlemae would deprive at one ; Gentleman, proposed would be a great panic among all (Mini as ees themselve:• were 'oiainetrically optioed towable G e teleman linl undsrrited the manly courage ! blow the landlords and farmers of the protection which ! pereons concerned in agriculture. The landowner and hte til e ' the corn-la-ee Why dhl not the Leugue of gen tlemen .en . that Sif!e of the House. The they had for centuriee, and he referred to a . 6titement i the firmer would bhdoubtful howi,to employ their capital I lk! ti ll ot i .rp:ltt : iti rnufactering districts, and boldly and c or n l ew e tvere fir the beiteit of the agricultural ' made by him (Mr. Gladstope), that when a commercial ; with profit. The consequence of that would be diminu questoe ? If they din so, they !night l a boarer. the fereaer, find the landlord ; but he believed , change was to be naa:le, the nu ire rapidly' it wes done the 1 tion of employment of labour, - - -.4. sudden change would 'tlia t ; House to listen to their aeserthaah In that if the corn• laws were to he repealed, the land- better. But the Hon. Gentleman begged the questien m ; induce the nieschant to make a ititteh larger importation 4,,, b., I. tni ne Vhti ettemeten to exere,ss their epnion lorde wohld be that elaes that wouln most easily sueposing they were going to make any change. In 1842 1 than would be consistent with the demand in this coun- L i ed. ' ';',„''. , ,e v n'e or the League were' ITioSI. Shanielilly . contend tielti,st the diflieuby at:entlant on sneh a step. Parliament had bestowed a g,reat portion of the public I try. Such a change would produce great expectations. i ts ial see 's Hon.. leleinher tor NV olverh trupton bed The Hon Member . for Wolve,hampton said that, wher- tithe io dissussing the p locip!e tted the particalars of the A large importation would immediately take place, and h tt, tilt e n i l rretn u . laitilel prttprietor on the s'ette of the - - ev, , r there were sprited and independent farmers, they corn laws. - He beheved eighteen nights of that session this would produce net cheapness, but a glut in the I. l ' fo) ~ l'''' .l* , teit he Orr. Ferrand) woe!d read a all state:l, ss ti - xic conviction, that the cern-law wes not had been passed in diecessing the corn-laws. They could market, thereby ereatine• great distress amongst the 0 n'ai r ,, c '2", workieg, man, stannte ths tr httn; et, which intenden for their benefit, but for the beneiit of their . not renew that every year.-(Hear. hear.) It was im- agricultural portion of the community. Such was the k; lie n v'ved fr.,in ;he Aiei -Oorta-law Leaeue, witieli l a ndlords. ' The Hon. nentieman, as it sppearecl to him, pessible they could do so, and if Parliament consented cinsequences which they s had to expect from so sudden Lk 6 ( - 1 ) 1 ! ettl to them arid to t • he iongistretes of that had in that instance argued in a circle, for wheeever he to keep a queetioa of such magnitude in perpetual a change to e state of perfect freedom. Let the House etteshtl the 14tii of February the Auti-Corn-law e nun d te e -n ie rs w ho th o ught ill of the corn-laws, he agitation, it-would not only be injurious to those whose look to the authority of those who had given opinions t:tter Tl. a mewing in Or! Free -Trate Hall, Mae- dubbed theen " spirted and independent," while he denied interest's' were more immediately concerned, but to the upon this subject. Adam Smith and Mr. Ricardo as e"'",114-;_" 1,1 1 the Hon. Member for St wkport and that character to the great mass of the farmers.-(Hear. character of Parliament itself. He claimed something writers, aud Lord Granville „and Mr. Huskisson as e:4 puk u,?lnpsz . m &elm-Ann their speeches to be open hear.) Now, so far as he had had an opportunity of like stability for the decisions of Parliament.-(" Heer, statesmen had all expreesed opinions upon this sub_ q,,re. On the 20th of February he (Mr. For- estimating the feelings of the farmers or this country on heir," from Lerd Howick.) The Noble Lord was ject. Adam . Smith said that a change from prohis (, k e ese ' v ed aletter from a; working man, and having the subject, looking impartially at the movement and the quicker than he (Hr. Gladstoee) was, an - I he attached bition to freedom ought to be made with caution. t h , le eee r , inentiry he , could .youch. for the truth- counter-movement which was going . on on the subject of meanings to his Werds which he never intended they. Mr. Ricardo, in writing on this subjeet, said that the i ,clewh e ",, ,----- of the statetnents; -.which could not the corn-laws, he must confess thee' it appeared to him shOuld. bear. But if lion. Gentlemen opposite were duty ought first to be reduccd to 205., and then t lett 4 . . The . Honourable Membe.r then read i-that the farmers did more -to stimulate and urge on the . willine• to accede to that propoeition, he called on them gradually reduced to 10s. Mr. Ricardo stated that even .e, ee s : , ?, It ly. , egned by _ eix persons, whose names landlords in support of those laWs thao the landlords did to vote against the motion of the Hon. Member forWol. a duty of 10s. would be more than reasonable, but at the t l. " is ,Z . g . lre affirming that a working manwho merely the farmers.. He did . not say Whether they w ere ri e ht verbampton.-(Cheers.) The Hon. Gentlemaa made no same thne he considered that it would be better to make h .Ue . ~,`. . 4 1 ipeeting and put the q i uestion to the chair- or Wrong . in doing so. It was net a qeestion of r i g ht, b u t charge againht the present corn-law-his arguments were a gradual reduction than to adopt a sudden change. 'Se en s this a pablin Meeting ? ' was seized by the a question • of feeling, and as such he must directed against protection of every kind, And he called Then what were the opinions of Lord Granville. Lord (rese e l l n_lvho " rushed upon him like dogs at a bear." say that he thought there •e. as e a stronger feeling on them to abolish protection to agriculture as they Granville speaking of the protective system in 1815, said ie ,i e l i l 'er)-dragged him over the forms on to the onthe part of the farmers in favour of the c or enew th a n abolished protection to wool. lie denied that wool had that any change in the protectiveNstem should be made 117 ela,neonveyed him to the station-house, where he there wit! on thelpart . of the -landlords. He could not .any protection. The duty cf a penny a pound on wool with caution, and not suddenly. . 'Oar. Huskisson had also Itte e „,,' 9 tour hours, and then discharged without see that it was otherwise on the part of the agr i cu ltural operated ae a tax on British produce. It depressed the proceeded upon the same principle. With respect to itr ei ptein being made against him. At his (Mr: labourers. The agricultural labourers, it could not he Prtce of British wool by discouraging the consumption of cotton andwool, there was no very great danger, because Oer e s) retenninendation the man applied to Mr. dented, were, by far the greater e - number of them, ex- articles with which British wool was mixed. Then in- they were manufactured and eent to a third market, - where they competed with all the markets of the world. il ia e a stiPen nary mag ietrate, vs ho told hiM that the trernely anxious fir the maintenance o r th e eorn -ia.w.- stead of abolishing all protection, they awarded protec I ,, i t ' i llis t rd acted quite ri.ihtly. Was that Conduct be• (Hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman, hy his speech, tion that very year to the growers of coffee and sugar.- There was nti °Teat danger, therefore, in complete free clisit4 utipendiary magistrate, who was paid by the seemed to imply that the prevalence of incendiarisin in . (Ironical cheers.) He had obserred a, marked distinc- done there. Y ! et, with respect to cotton, Mr. Huskisson, 4,l\l7olic:lleY for vuhlic services? The Hon. Member the 'agricultural districts was owing to the existence of tion betweeti the speech of the Hon. Gentleman that reduced the duty from 60 per cent. to 10 per cent., and t %s e 'rharripten said that if the agricultural laboue the Corn-law. .He had stated that there was nothing. so . night and his speeches on former occasions. The pre- he reduced wool to 15 per cent. With regard to other is, t e a _ . 14 a-4 41 2;er/rived of employment in agriculture by a wretched as the condition of the agr i cu ltural l a bourer. sentlawhad now beenin operationtwoyea.rs, and they were - articles, he did not go quite so far as in the case of silk, p e iT 7 In ctern, they would find empl.nonent a thigher - With regard to that subject, however, he must be per- Years bY no means favourable to the working of the law, in which the duty was 30 per cent., and in some cases tilt ei n hianufactuses. The experiment was made in mitted to state that he thought the lion, Gentleman had for in the beginning of 1842 the prospect of the harvest 40 leer cent. In all such cases lie proposed a gradual 11 , 5 11 ' 0 , 1 ' , 18 3?, and since that he (Mr. Ferrand) heard taken the worst specimen of that condition as the ave- was very bad, and it turned out to be an abundant one ; and cautious change and not a sudden and abrupt one. 'N t h,: Ati•rnber for Sloe!: port state in that House rage, and although he must admit that i n ma ny parts of and, on the eontrary, the first five months of 1343 gave He (Lord ' I. Russell ' ) found himself unable to take part t:ltit:le were h un dr e ds 0 , th . u sinide of perions in the the' country . the conditit - m. of the a gricultural labourer the highest prospect of an abundant crop, but the har- in the vote of that night Ile heartily wished that some ti ' 4,4, etuthig distriets living on Is. 3d. a week, and waS not setis aetory, us to the enjoyment of the neces. vest fell short of -what was expected. How had the law compromise could be adopted with respect to thisquestion :h a u rl " other co v ering a t n i g ht but the clothes which cartes and comfort* of life, yet at a ll e vents it must b e worked ? One of the greatest objections to the He did not expect that any vote of that House, however 1: 11 th t , r in the day. Was that the happy *Vita to conceded that the agricultural lebourer was free from' old law was that it oceasioned rani(' fluctuatiens large the majority might be, would put an end to agita en4e,„ agrieultural l a hot t rers were invited. - (Htar, thoee extreme reverses of his c endition which had in price. .Now no person could say that in don On the subject. He did not think that it was likely w kti e, e lhe manufacturers had been . heard in that marked, during' the last few. years, the condition of the those two yoir. , , daring - which the present law that any settlement could be come to, until those inter- Oh,-`6l. they were many, and they were labourers of PaisleYs Stockp irt, and other inanely , - was in operetion there had been any unsteadiness of ested in the land were disposed to consider the existing w ht' e but the working. men ought also to turing towns. reverses which had en t a iled u pon th e m m ore price, and during the present year. in which there was laW as really not favourable to the interests of the coun tS;:r".---(llear.) - Those -met' whorie the League bitter suffering than hadeverbeenknown t o th eag ricultural no great change expected, the price of corn had been re- try, and, therefore, not being favourable to the interests 1,1 1 , ty , \ '',;„'t dare to face, a nd w hom they treated with bru - lahourer• - (llear , . hear) The Hon. Gentleman had markahly. steady.-(Hear, hear.) The averages kept of the country, was unfavourable to them as a class. If L ea ill 'eu they opened their mouths to speak the truth. asked what was the cause of that incendiarism, an d h e moving from week to week in scarcely a perceptible de- manufactures and commerce were made to flourish, the 're ls 1 1 hde--• • ' d h H in abject bad ventured to lay down -"t• en hh - h i gree . His Right Hon.- Friend had stated of him that landed -interest need I I e to h , or leare petitione t e ouse, . a propon ion ts ic e t o- . not fear that they would be kept . . ette eoneitler th-* • seta no one could be found b. a er , .ir ca e, -but in . vain. The lion, . - . Ad enotigh to controvert, : he promised the farmers a certain price for corn. lagging behind ; the landed interest was sure to derive - '"'s• taen read a petition,from the sawyers of Man- that there was invariably diecontent in the agr icultural He believed,hihßight Hon. Friend made no promise of adv.antage from any law in favour of conimerce and In en c o kassi, mplaining of the effects of saw mills, which districts when the Price of bread was high, ste t co ntent the kind, but he said it would be desirable if the price manufactures. Before he sat down he must say. b !ssa,,,,,"drerls out of breed ha every town-in the United when the Price of bread was low. He. would not wi der. could be kept within the limits of 545. and 58s. How although the argument of his Hon. Friend was aeainet t:,llt an :" ... lie real also a petition from calico printers . , take to Sal' that he regarded a higleprice of br e ad as had the law worked to realise this price? The price the whole protective system of the country, he (Lord e tli st li tl ilar complaint Such Wae the langu via used g oOd.--(Opposition cheers.). He adnutted that a high between April, 1842, and December, 1842 ? The aye- J. Russell) did lament, when this questien was brought n 'tas e e t e alse by the Calico block printers. Yet•th l' at lzahlY price of bread was a misfortune.; but. the Hon. Gentle- rage price was 555. 10d., which was within the limit. feraard, thet the whelo •of the cese . was not stated.- 0-re,m . " l not petition. the Rouse for the relied' of the !nee had dared any one to -deny the -accuracy of •the In 1843 the average price Was but 505., which was be- (Hear.) lie thought it would be fairer for the ceuntry tut' 4, 4 1 . Ni; for they would tell them that that re- assertion which he had made. Now, in the years me, loss the limit, hut this was a very abundant year. In to go through the whole of their system of protection, flt.iuta be their ruin: In the sessioa behere last he 1840, and 1841, there was' no ineendiariem; while in 1844 the average price was 545. 6d. So that in two Out its it existed both with regard to corn and agricultu te t i:rrancl) presented a p e tition signed by twenty-, the years 1843 and 1844, when the price of bread was of three years, the !iverage price had been within the ral proddce, and the produce of manufactures; to take t % )l l l4e te a tiand f ram e.werk knitters of the Mtdlund monerate and low in comparison with the former years, limit to which his Right Hon. Friend made allusien every kind of protection as it exicen, and show that it en. e e lt conapleining Of the effect of machinery, but %here WAS incendiariem. Therefore the Hon. Gentleman Another Objection to the old taw was, that it deranged wais . all . ukisciund and injurious, for the p u rpose Orebro ;:th.Nit aht prav fa• the iepoal of the corn-laws. Tee wh,o had ehalleneed them to produce an inittutce ot din the currency, for . the . corn wit:ell was . imported te supply gateleg it al. , t; ; e4eilter.-(llear, hear.) Ins thought that , 'flti n ember then referred to a-pamphlet, written by a poetent, tenong. the aerieultural laboura.rs when bread the sudden etoarcity produced in this country must be wouhl be _a nurer course en brin g ing th i s ques tion for e-tee"' 'llan in Manehester, which stweil the dreAdful wtts at. a loiv 'trice. and ef coreent wheteit was at a high paid in bullhin and not in goods. Was that true of the Ward thao continuing to harangue on the question of the ilit'a -r4 into hhieh niheltinnry hail brought. the prieee need nut go further than .tho last three present corn-law. though large quantities of corn were aorn-lahs, mixed up, as they frequently were, out of that 11 - it . 4 el tes es in M a , ec hester and its neightesurhoed. vears te see - the fallaey of hie aesertion. The imported under it ? In 184 . 2 there was a greeter quail- froese, with attacks on the Landholders of the country.- 01,ni," ti thin although the mole' in eaten factories gonteiratite Gentlema,n s eid thet 'this; discontent tity of wheat and wheat dour introduced than in any (Cheers from the Ministerialists.) . Those attacks could e nia 1 - ' 4ll 1781 to leen inereascel 10 I time', yt , t the and ineendiarism was occaeiened by want • of em- former year, and yet no derangement hid been produeed eonduee nothing to the settlement of this question.- nes ,: ) '"n wea ve rs h e n now only IS. where, in 1791. plovment. Now, he would ask the Hen. flentl , tra in in the ctierency. The Hon. Member for Wolverlicimp- (Letrl cheers freel the Consereative benches.) H e be ''iNe•'•`•eived los • The Hen, Member thee read doeu- eet. if he had not eneosragen this feeling-he did not ton hinaself admitted that night, that they had now a tiered diet these attacks on the agricultural interest .i n ,qie,: sl 'ewines ;he effeet of the intreduction of ma- insinuate for a moment that he leel dale eo -it. would tratte on the Centinent in corn, which was carriel on general had done much to indispose the landholders-he 4 ?tee IA > 'n o ' w er I.. oi is, a wl eeteting that, .with tbe he tin insult to al: the question-bat he would ask him regularly and paid for in goods.-(No, no.) He (Mr. believed it had d ine mush to indispose the farmers to site,,, eice, of ruitelcieersn the emeloyinent of the if h e did not think it pi)ssible thet this Perseverine and Gladeonie) uris referrieg to the Hon. Gentleman, the any settlement of the question.-(Cheera) He believed ',ler !s tif . ail other *Specios ',if articles was e eedul u.: egitation, whiith he hall e irrien on, no d'oubt, Member for Wolverhampten, mad the lion. Member for that the il•m. President of the Board of Trade had much l e 's. , ,!' s ed in a met f r iehte'ul ,!egree, and that beettwe he thought it ealculati•d to produce great puhlic Stockport denied the statement for him.-(flear e hear, foundation for his assertion that the farmers were more iv greatest misery hod dotrese was the result- advantage-if that aeitation might not have suggested andlaughter.) Ile uni. rstood the Hen. Gentleman, the indisposed to any change in the law than the latd tillt e o lltelit . H ee , , G eet te ma n ,h e Pre:-ident of to ther landlords the idea . thet their interests were not Member for Wolverhampton,to make such astetement, but owners -(Hear, hear.) The landholders were un ,'in s „:'':d td . - Trade heti i rroditeed a elause let° ia Bill quittSafe;finfl . fill`-,r l t not have Prolneed a pernicious its correcinsse depended on higher authority even than dhubtedly much averse to any change, because they be ale 1 , - , non . h e n, tia in e -, e n e , ,este tier' of machinery. He (sleet by inducing ththri .to Withh(jld the appliesition o f his, for there were introduced under the preseut law, in heved, hke the merchants and manufacturers of former kiin i erran ;) ; n e s s e . i , , !. e me asure \nein' ulti- their capital to. the culOvation of the soil, which w o uld the present year, 160,000 quarters of wheat. That was timees that the protective system was the most li4 lej ftt in the ecia t- i .1, ~t increase trade for 3 teit haVe been withheld if their confidench lead not .been a large quantity.,-(lronieal c h e ers.) Did Hon. Gentle-. beneficial to their own interests. But the farmers were still '‘ e li snl i tt e t eli ,t, i t , sv . n id . , - ieg i m e he felt certain. All shaken by thiS agitation-(Heir, hear)--eand if, th e Men suppose thee the same quantity wai to' be intro- More indisposed to a change than they were, believing 'lk e "e hail. speken to On the sunjecs hail fold him w ithholding of this capital had not occasienel a want of duced e,very year into the country without reference to that the efforts made with so much pas-ion to procure 'nil,'t e llieht Hi m , G eu tl eim ul'had heenn at the wrt nig employment among the agricultural laboarers, .and so the abundance or scarcity of the harveat at home?- that change were made by Men whose zeal blinded them e' l lie ..- e" ua t they were all anxiuus fir free trade in everY - led to these incendiary tires ?-(Cheers.) If so, he called (Hear, hear.) The average price of wheat. in the present to the true ruerits of the case. In the present state of 'en" \ `,:xcept mac hi n e r y, H e b e li e ved that even the udon the Hon. Gentleman to recognise with him the year, was 565., and yet, with the price at this amount, affairs they could not expect a settlement of the question, ,t . t t i l teuitter for Sh e ffield, if he made further inquiries e O u ndness and the . wi'sdom, so long aS Parliameet 160,000 quarters had been introduced under the present and he regretted that the agitation should be prolonged nit i e stet; ‘ t el Ifi d that there were determined to maintain those . corn-laws, o f law. In • the five first months in the present year, from year te year, as the Government was determined Is f : . •ji c , wo.. t n 1 4 ti le '. °I - Ts io thie c ountry that required protectiOn• disregarding that' agitation .of which -he w as although the price had not reached 575., 150,000 quarters for the . present to continue the bey. Still he belierd ~•ns i i , v erY yew. in . whiele the ex portation of machinerY the leader in that Houee, and of setting their f ace s of foreign corn had boen imported into this country.- that a time would come, when those principles which ~"',4 d e„,,"',l h ed, notwithstanding foreign orders, there were firmly against motions such as that which had been sub- (Hear, hear.) 'He asked whether Hon- Gentlemen were held to be sound on every other subject, would ‘sse e - toan 450 machine, m akers out of employ in Man- mitted to them hY the lion. Gentlemexi.-(Gheers.) The opposite would make the charge of unsteediness of price finally be held to he souud with regard to the article of ' s iti e ' 4 , l denes S o Mu c h w ith respect te the legislation Hon. Gentleman had referred to an . al-giunent which he against the present corn-law which he admitted they corn. -(llear, hear.) `t;lte.`',", inery. New, the Hon. Member who had intro - hal wed on a former occasion, and had stated that he . had, with some roason; urged .against the former law ? Mr. W. MILES said he did commisserate the present con 'lsese‘eis quesnee h a d thought _ nroper to give the (Mr. Gladstone) had urged the displacement o f rura l Neither could - the charges of deranging the currency, dition of the Noble Lord-(Cheers • end laughter)-but he 'bi e „ - i s ,'"he most harrowinn details with respect to the labour as an objection to the repeal of the corn-laws. which had been brought against the former law, be trusted that many gentlemen opposite Sarin follow his ex % - - "tiral di s t r i c t s , he rr 'oss whitsns, if true, in his Now, the.. Hon. Gentleman had antwered that obj ec tion, reasonably advanced against this. The present tipple, and not vote at all, rather than, while advocating a Oxed I 41 oti ntensnce the abolition of the whole protective system. 'at.e . t woald on ly b e it icr eased by 3 repeal of-the c , rn as if he had contended that the corri-lhws wo•ild displ ace law had been productive of considerable revenue. i !' i Yt t l Y 'r4 ° l3l Lord had expreised a wish that there should be a 4 ti e New, lie wou id g iV e the House sorne . description labour only bY throwing land out of cultivation, and h a d In 1842, there was a large revenue deriveu en e epronii e se on this question • but he ailed on the Go hin t state Of things in the town of Belton from a slate - stated that he was at a loss to cenceive how it could go from the impertation of corn. In that year Meat, and on the gentlemen Of the lan c eted interest, to si v ib ern mit 1) ,,t0 Q : 11 ,ade by Mr. Ashworth. (The Hoe: Ni• Mber then out of cultivation. although it might be iocapable ef pro- a revenue of 1,300,0001 had been derived from the to no c ompremise.-(Lond cheers.) He felt truly happy ;_kit e t i l ' e d to read the state:nent, from which it 'aPPPared diming rent. The Hon, *Gentleman had .professed importation of foreign corn, although the duty did not, at having heard - the - speech that night delivered ne e. " greatest di s t res s an d m i se ry T revailed in that to be sceptical as to the plssibilitY of such a state of exceed 95.. a quarter. In 1834 800,000, or 900,000 by the Right Hon. President o f the Board of Trade.- t ',lti l'rom another statement miriade in the- reimphist things arising as anY lantl being thrown out of cu iti ee _ quarters of corn had been imported, which taaid 14s. duty. (Cheers.) A more hoaest speech in defence of that protection ins, ' : e w "rkieg t w i n, t o w hi&l ae h i d a dverh.d, it ap- thei as long as it could be cultivated by anybody on thei r Now it might be old that 14s. ,was a high rate of duty, to agriculture given by the Bill of 1842, he had never heard.- 144;s' that - in some i ne t t o:c s in that town the working own account. But that did not affect his (Mr. Gl a d_ but it should be recollected that under the old corn-law, (Cheers.) It completely bore out what had been elicited from tleniw"re FO destitute that they were obliered to lie stone's) argument. His argument was, that granting when only ss.' duty was raised, it was argued that the the Right Hoe. Baronet at the head of the Government, that e 'tial i ' t a heti.) Now he (Mr. Ferrand) believe ' d that Ito thht there would be a great inere Ise in- the trade in the- very lowness of the duty was a proof of the evil of the he was determined to sta4id by the arrangement of last year. ' 4 ns: e st ate of 'thin' •d • th -'e . • 'tural manufacturing productions of the country, gs existe in t a e ricui consequent law, for said its opponents foreign corn could not be ad- -( An Hon. Membe b r u - But this year. ') ' The Hon. Mems" t he (Mr. :tides) had a confidence in ese e i' t9 . The Ron. Member had laboured hard to unin a repeal Of the corn laws. yet still the increased mated at that duty, unless the price of corn in this bweurrcstsaiadsthtibseyeawr!re state . d (Cheers ) He did not agree Ites " 0 the House that the repeal of the corn- demand for foreigh corn could not but be followed country had reached a height that showed its scarcity. with the Hole Member for - Manches . ter, nor did he believe „t h e Ptuld -he an a dvantage to the working classes. by the infliction of injury to the agricultural ' labourer.. Under the preseut system abundance of foreign corn the country agreed with him ; but he believed the country did Lte t hithert o b een . th e cus tom of that House to deny . Might it not ba possible that - this state of things would entered the market at a comparative low rate of duty, a gr e e w ith the determination o f t h e G o vernment, to give a full s 'l r h et ill e th - of: the- assertions he (Mr. Fernald) made. ariee: that. a great quantity of land now emhloYed as before the price reached 60s. a quarter. . Those who OP - triad to their own Bill. As to the Protection Societies that had ga - ( Ltd th •in ' L li . esa the Other arable land, mieht be laid down as pasture . land-a posed the present protective system were bound to prove been alludecito, it was said that they were losing ground, while s ,,Y, e ,,, e hor mg, men o, ancas ir y ',tet e , "en he went amona them ? Why, that everY method of cultivation which would. be most profitable to two•things before they asked . for its abolition-that the the League was gaining power. But it should be remembered lite l i t e nt he had made Wes true. The Noble Lord, the - the landlerd. but wou'd be most distressing to the present corn-law was bad, and that it was bad from its that the Protective Societies were only defensive, while the t,e i n e j.fur Sunderland. whoin he was sorry not now to labourer.-(Hear, hear.) Such a mode of cultivation protective tendency. The Hon. Gentleman who made Leaeue was an attacking body. The League ieterfered in 'nil , - "Is place - ---(Gonsiderable leu• h d b Id tl•th nt of the land, in fact it would the motion had not attempted to show that by g ter, cause ,we e- wou no oaer ere ~ elections, but what had Its interference done for it ?-(Loud le e ' b Y 1. * • . • cheers.) Look at all the elections of the present year. There ,ry) ord llowice b. , ing fast asleep under the gal- be highly profitable to the landlord, and to the farmer, the adoption . of it those connected with the was one Hon. Member, indeed, whom he was glad to see in that gis e -- e - Perhaps some ilon. Member on the other snie qf who would get a good price for the butter, ehe-se, and soil would not be very materially injured by House-the Member for Kilmarnock (Mr. Bouverie); but look te c : 4 4 .- ei i w hen the Noble - Lord waked, woad be kind meat which Would be produced from pasture land, while the . abolition of protection ; h•• had. indeed, said, he at all the other elections, those for Wiltshire, Salisbury, and (stkIZI & tell him what he (Mr..Feriand) had said.- the demand for rural labour would be greatly dimin- (Mr,GlOstone) knew not upon what authority, that the . everyplace they had contested; what . -had. these contests won ' ' erra g e "•) That Noble Lrd had esserteal that he (Mr. ished, and thus the agrieultural labourer would suffer agricultur , l• population formed but a seventl - eof the whole for them? Look at South Lancashire !-(Loud cheers.) e e ar r3 . l u) had stated that the Member for - Shickport has greatly, while the landlord would not suff.r at all: The people. of the kingdom - Sure_ly the Hon. Gentleman What was the result there ? One Hon, Gentleman was Sent erat4g on in his factory • the truck :system in all its lion Gentleman had dated that if tne repeal of the must have overlooked Ireland. If the agricultural pOpus to that House, as he said , himself, to be the edvocate of pro tele 1 , ' - se--(H ear , hear.) Now he (Mr. Fertand) had corn-lews, by initreasing the) supply of corn, would dis- lation, with those immediately dependent on them, such tection.-(Cheerie) . But he must eay that the Leagun al 'l4eranueestleh thing ; but what he stated was, that he un- placnagriculturail labour. every impreeeinent in agrieul-- as taftesmen iii the rural districts, were considered, they ways saw evei . ythlng in. the most favourable light ; wherever "u le ''' thet the Hon. Member kept cows, and sold milk tare inight be opposed for the same teason. Now, even if wohld, he thought, umouut to nearly ene•half of the they wens , to elly clefeated, they were sure to elann a great 4 44 13 Wlbrk ee ' , The Hon. Member fair Stockport he were disposed to admit that e improved methods of cut. whole population of Great, Britain and Ireland. T e e m .u o r r . e t t u v e i k ceiry! -(Cheers and taughter.) The Hon . .. Member IV . 4 °t d e p ' Pl - t. S port had described the voters et the rural districts of Hon Gentleman hrd assumed that the condition of the ' on , ettiee ti ll s ; and therefore he trusted that the tivatiam, by increasing produce, whuld displace rural _ • s • Lancashire as mere bipeds driven to the-poll by their landlords._ t kdt t e 44 " rd, when lie [Kehl made such assertions, woud labour. yet that diminution. or the demand Jor rural agricultural population WAS bad, but had not attempted _ ea r , . (Hear, hear.) But let them look at the votes given at tli ei. that h e h a d proper data on which to feund libour would be gradual: it would not come with that tet provnthat it was connected with the corn-laws, or in . Alanchener and Liverpool, „even in these great manufacturing thi s me T. he Hen. Member who had briught for Ward rapidity and suddenness with& must be the-result of any . any Wise. attributable to them. Yet, en grounds so t eens the ewes :were very equally. divided, and he believed eeerihfietion spoke of conibination for the repeal of the euch propoeition as that contained in the motion of the slight, he asked the House to revoke a solemn decision . that the wealth and intelligence of these places were in favour ' t e 'r t,t 4 ' B lhe ( \lr. Ferrand) would have them combine Hon. Gentleman. Bur he demurred to the propoeition so deliberately arrived at. He (Mr. Gladstone) of protection. . Aed . what was the result of their vast efforts in giFy v : destruction of machinery, for if they did not, of the Hon. Gentleman upon that points Certain agri- could not doubt for a moment as to the course other psrts of the kingdom-had they taken enything by . it ? (14 ‘ t al ."" l d be sunk deeper in misery still, for the saltv c ultural improvements must lead to a diminotion o f the: which the Government and Parliament would .On the coeteary-hed _they not natsel up against themselves . a . 'rit e ~ l'it e ring to the luxuries of the millowners. d e mand for rural lebour ; bet in most eases agricultural take ; he could• • not for a • moment doubt . that vast e morel terse, ( wi l h e i a ch t i t: e ey r Id n d i w ) ou Had th a gr t eat difficulty . in t t ehil,..':-.i Cern-lew Leave lied for scene time pust been itopcovetneWs would lead to a general increase of- that. they would give no encouragement to an agitation which , p , atting 4 -, emns'elf defence tbe whole ety)inotbiserreiyaertassensuf 0 e,,!. eiring "I to eestroy the agricultural party, in order.' d ema nd. If they !nuked to the imprevement consequent. was proluctive of mischievous effects, and which was ' them '. f i e '(L d h ' ) It sh ld b 'll t d h ou e reco ec e teat we ,. telei s e _, 1", ki n , " wnat they called tree trade principle i s..- The ulna th e general inclusing of waste lands,' oF upon the calculated to shake the confidence of the . peopinin b the Englan .- ou c eers. tbe landlords were the last to move in tbis ceiestion. ''''N•'..„J' , People keew this, and thp Antl-Cornelaw es t e tai s tunent o f an e xtensive system of drainage, the stability of the yreeent law-a law ; winch had een They were told that this law svat now cOmpletely condemned . 41 ,eil • e l , ( -tared not to go to Manchester and nold a public Him. Gentleman conld hardly. deny but that thoee. im- made as an adeuetment of conflicteng interests, and by public opinion. Though he dui nnt approve of his motion, e ta:ss ee 4 , in support of their prineiplee. o The -working- provfmients so far from leading to a dimiqution, would . which it was. the bounden duty of the Legislature to he thoeght the Honourable Memher for Knaresboratigh had Perti e nnnew that the Anti-Corn - law Issan ll- • were the give a s ti mt ilus t o th, de ma nd fer rural labour, and would upledd, nnless it could be shown , that it had failed in ve ry fairly stated the case regarding the maeufacturing mu te " wli - 40.11 ° uph id the extensitm of r"Chin"rY - that raise wi es ,e s more -.p er h a ps than. any other means that the purpose for which it had been framed to effectuate. lation. If the question were completely settled -hi the menus li* . Itier • , 13 bia a . e 3 - which prt•vented the labourer frein earning. cou ld b e d ev i se d. It was doub‘less true that every aoria -n-(Cheers from the Mihisterial benches.) , facturing districts, why nid they not hold their meetings.there, ' t * Lev - "all s-- "Y the sweet of . his brow. 'Me Horn Gentle'. cultural impr ov e m ent wou ld di m inish the demanefor % Lord J. RUSSELL said h e found himself in a posis as they had doae in many cases in the agricaltural dis ric ... " eelte"tielieled bmn ' h roll -. • mendment - labour.. UWIIIg St E In ddd•••- lr th t . I•Tt th t • ill& the Right Hon. e quan- ion near y stint ar o a in se lie believed it was because they dared not.-(Cheeni.) .It ~ et ~ _ __ _ y snag t . e .. veryt mg that ten e to. mums was suspected in the manufacturing districts that their Object nhe p i . , ‘Lte HOUSe do resolve itselt Into a Committ,e, for tity of labour sleeps, are yto • re!se one quarter of wheat, Baronet Opposite had 'declared the Government was 11 ",Pose o f ' • • in chea ening bread was to cheapen labour.-(Hear, hear.) vd t 't it „ considerlth' the following reselutions :- would diminish the demand for labour so far as that placed in a few nights ago-a very unehviable one. . To the P agricultural population thendeclaimed on the edema te.s . arPeers b- a e -,`" t census that the people of quarter of wheat seas concerned ; but if by the introduc- The Honourable Member for Wolverhampton had taee i‘ i (434 . ntr Y are r 3 ' ; r Lon . . ! of having--a large leaf at a cheap rate.. This was a most • 4 evrl That it tion of im rot - emelt . . ap,dy increasitig in !number. P ts the produce of the. laud could be . e o ask d the H use not io es;:e into a Committee '• . - 0 - • delightful theme and one exceedingly likely to catch the at "' h es .n.ence before this House, that a large proportion increased by many quarters of -wheat, the demand for. on the . corn-laws, but to go into a Cone- . tention of the audience, tor he had no hesitation in saYing that in n the n ntaiesty's sills:Hie are insufficiently provided with rural labour, as a whole, would be proportionably in- naittee for •the purpose of voting certain • resoletions some parts of the agricultural districts, wages were much too 4:ll,,.'"eatis pr , Sil.:"‘ altho . perenasing the first necessary of life. creased.-(Hear, • hear.) The hich would at once destroy every sort of corn-law; he ievt.-(llear, - hear.) But, at the same time, having reed Honourable Gentle- w _ . . ‘,.. . , , d 'cl h h , pei„ ugh a c o rn-l aw i s in force which protects the naa,n ha sal tat t osehwho had ori ill h e asked the rtouse to wage Wen .against tee application their papers and pamphlets, he must say . ' that theyentirely g na y proposedt 'ad' '(" fOi . )d ' " • a d ' ddtop 1 ed te sinew how this loaf was to be obtained. It had fr . es i ustry Produced by British capital and native law h inten e ro uce scarcity. Now he rept', of all protective duties in all eases- whatever. On the . fail es set , and thereby increases its abundance, whilst it dieted that charge.-(Hear, hear.) it was not for him other side the Right Hon. Gentleman asked the House (penny been stated that the present corn s laws infiicted scarcity le s 's coi n - • s h e - on.tbe people, but he thoneht that point had been satisfectonly s essee , petition in the market of labour, neverthe - to say whether the expectations of those who had framed to vote against the motion on the ground that t y d II • tit; dth t posed o yis ig t on. nen . e main me a dis fb h• It' h H F • wori - - -- "lnery h as f , tint, el .. or many years lessened amonn• the the law of 1815 had been realised or not, the Parliament ought to stand by and maintain the nresent corn-laws. the people had their bread at a reaannable price, hnd that there ttleh e s• aeses the means of purchasing the same. e• That of 1844 was not called upon to pass judgment on that He wee not prepared to vote with his Hon. Friend, .144 . aornn en . was no stoppage in the transactions of commerce, whilst he te l h having for its object the Protoction of subject-they might have been right, or they might have neither was he prepared to support the maintenance of law nothing but ruin starine the farmer and labourer in qui l l, C e a Pltal, and the encoura tof tv l b r b gtmen na iea ou een wrong. Lord Grenville, and those who meted with the present corn-law. The Right " Hon. Gentleman h fe if the corn-Caws were repealed. The Peed Y e n in the e• s the growth of an article upon which de • him, might have greater cre i g . ene by the see tit wen to th • h 12 . 11 . F• d(M V . ll . ) te ae . f edt - f L d med to dispute wat is on. nen r. 1 ten Honourable Member then re err o a statement o or 1 14 uubs' . istence 0 he framers of the la,w. had, he thought, taken tco much pains to 'Rose -that D u ne to the effect that even with free trade wheat grown on the i s e , ben e e e • , f the community, is just in prin- Hon. Member for sagacity than t . ed. r i s, 'al in operation and ought net to be abol- But it was only doing justice to his Noble Friend (Lord cheapness and plenty were great blessings. They were Cotswold Hills would yield to the cultivator a profit of twelve co o oat it is th ' r them in their ra er books, et the r sent. ; and cited the authority of three farmers in the sed that law, to say taught to pray fo p y Y Pe e u3t age seel t , erefore, - expedient that every en- Ripon) who had originally propo 1 and rotec • f 1 o osal ii,' ht Ho f neighbourhood, stating that in that case the poorer portion of lies, r -Y• whi c h • P tion shall be given to native in- ' that the reason . which he had peen or isyr p . was tg n. Gentleman seemed to doubt the accuracy o i d ld be th own out of Cultivation. He thanked n 's. an t i se 18 the groundwork of our national great - that by giving encouiagement to domestic agriculture these assertions. The Right Holi. Gentleman went on the an s . wou . r . 1 eiante• - "e 80Ure f • the House for having beard him so long at that late hour l'ad n'""' in BERKP.T.P. e o our national wealth." we should instire a more certain and abundant supply of to say, that 'the present . law should be supported ._ (near, hear) -and he only asked the House to considerehe ee , ...te e , nvie _ , -Y deprecated the attempt which corn than by any other means. H? did not expect t b hat 7 p a 2n , ciple, enct on accOunt ef the e stebility of' price position in which the agriculturists were placed. In the egita ereelturei ` te t° set the manufacturing party and the the Hon. Gentlemen would concur in that argument, ut 1 _. _ t tterded. Well he thought that both the tion of this question the farmers had nobly done their dutv. itZ•e(4lsiderj)dartY of this coantry against each other. it was but just to the original proposers of that It_ igh_ Hon. Gentleman -and the Right Hon. Beronet at - ,_(Cheers and laughter.) Throughout the length and breadih co ltig the _ I , that one could not be injured without in- . law to state. that such was the argument which the head of the Governmennnad, from time to time, and of the land they had declared that they would have no less than s r !a n ew neer. He _also regretted to find the Anti- , they hsd used, and it was not right to as - particularly at . the propoststeof the new tariff, given t h e present protection, and after what had been said by his nar-Itallst the elaangue persisted in their denunciations • cribe to them motives so offensive in the public i utterance to principl es t h e e er y s•everse of those which Right Hon. Friend tbe First Lord of the Treasury, he had no p o ' tosr a ,„ e -eded aristocracy o f th e country. The m ind as those which ascribed to them the intention of 1 the present corn-taw re s t e d don, And he further , doubt that the protection would not be diminished. If agricul rt c e g°. Lis coun'r 'w--•th . fi 1 t d ' • The Hon. Gentleman said that the • thought the ex pe r i ence o f t h e presen t c orn-law was too 1 ture were allowed to perish, the best interests of the land would et be arititbl • • s e ere amoen E. TS o stip -0 pro acing scarcity. IlevOlen e mstientions, and to stand forward in acts I eornslaws limited.the quantity of food • and, slight to allow the warmest advocates of It to make any 1 peri conse- sh with it.-( Cheers and laughter.) . ce• kte - deprecated the -priattice::whicia-4he .' 1 - rod ced - ' d aii . g- di no verylavourabie predictions concerning it. There had quent y, p u scarcity an ease. ewo .. . Lord HOWICK, whie.rose amidst loud cries of " Adjourn," . . .. _ . ... .. . . - . . . . . . . . . ._ . . said—that at this late hour, r, hen an adjeurnrnent was wished for by the House, he it as reluctant to occupy any time. But as it was also to he wi.lied that the debate should close to-mor row night—(Cries of " Now, now," and " Go on. go on ") he would take that opportunity of making the few o'eserva firms which he had to mike upon the question. Ile agreed with his Noble Friend ( Lord J. Russell) that the fo in in which the subject has eow brought forward was inconvenient, and that it would have been better if his Hen. Friend ihe Member tor Wolverhampton had (neve' tor a Committee of the eau; e House ; he would has e more willingly supported it. With all that inconvenience, he would suttport the motion. — ( Hear, hear. ) The question was now between the exi-ting law and total repeal.—( Hear, hear.) It was the Government that had broteght the question to this state.—( Hear, hear. ) The House was dri .'2il to deteeinine between two extreme pro positions, and he for one, would prefer the vote for the total repeal of the he. They had just been told by a Member foe a large agricultural county', that the wages of the agricultural labourer were much too law, and it had been shown that in manufacturing districts the wages were too low. The Right lion. Baronet at the head of the Government had stated that wages and profits were so low, that he could not risk a reduction of the hours of labour.—( Hear.) Having these admissions, that both agriculture and manufactures were suffering in the same way, how could there be a more important inquiry, than was proposed by this motion, into the cause of such a state of things?—( Hear.) (in that ground he was prepared to oive his sueport to this motion. There was a low and ';i‘tie quate reward of labour, and a low rate of profits, which were attributable entirely to the corn-laws.—(Cheers.) He would confiee the few observations he had to make to that one pint. The lien. Member for Knareshrirough had moved an amend ment, that it was a calamity to the poorer classes that their clothes and other matters shoull be made with greater rapidity than formerly. He wondered that he did not propose to go back to the aberigusal system. —( Hear, hear. ) In manufac • tures there had been a great increase of productive power, and so there had been in aericulture, b-it not t i the same extent. Each individual labourer in agriculture produced more of human food than the lebourer of the last century, arid they produced two or three times as much food as in the time of Elizabeth the labourers did. Well then, if labourers were so successful in producing food and clothing at the present d ty, how was it that they had less remuneration than in ancient days? 'i he Hon. Gentleman who hail just sat down, had admitted the labourers were in a bad condition in the west of England ; but why was it that the men had bad wages, and their wasters bad profits? Taxation did not affect it, because, during the last '25 years taxes to a large amount had been taken off, but the condition of the labourers and capitalists had not been im proved by it. If taxes did not afford any explanation what did ? Why, the monopoly of land in England. That. he was right in this view of the subject was proved by the fact, that wher ever land was abundant the wages of labour were hieli. This was the case in Canada, and in South Australia. The Canadian labourer, with less facilities for labour, was paid better than the English labourer, and had better food and habitations. Toe reason of this was, that there was a large field for employment, whereas the field was extremely limited in tilts country. Monopoly and restriction must diminish wages and reduce profits. This must always be the effect of a restrictive system. It was a monstrous injustice to prevent the poor man from making the most of his labour. It was a peculiar injus'ice on the part of the Right Hon. Baronet opposite. who, during the late debates on the Factory Bill, had enlarged so much on the sacred right of every man to the pro duce of his own labour, and that it was an injustice to iteerfere by law with his right to dispose of it. Did they not now inter fere ?—( Loud cheers.) If the labourer could exchange the produce of his labour for thirty quarters of fereign corn, and they prevented him from from doing so, and compelled him to exchange it for British corn, of which he could only procure twenty quarters in exchange for the same amount of labour, were they not robbing him of one-third of the fruits of his l e bour.--(Cheers.) He did not assume that those were the proportions ; but whatever were the proportions, in those proportions they deprived him of the fruits of his hon est industry and gave it to another.—(Cheers.) They took from that man that to which he was fairly entitled. — (Loud cheers.) This was not taxation for the benefit of the state.—( Cheers.) All classes were equally interested in main taining the necessary machinery of Government. But this taxation was not for the purpose of raising money. Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite repudiated the idea of continuing these laws for the sake of revenue.—( Cheers.) They continued them for the purpose of protection—for the purpose of agricultural t rotection, which was depriving every other class of the com munity of the power of exchanging the produce of their labour with those who would give them the most for it.—(Cheers.) It was shutting them out from the cheapest market, and com pelling, the weavers, cutlers, and ether labourers of this country to go to the dearest market for the purchase of their food.— (Cheers.) That was the real meaning of agricultural protec tion.—(Cheers.) It was a gross injustice to the other classes. —(Cheri.) In all fully peopled countries there was a ten dency is profits and wages to fall—that tendency was in some degree checked by that machinery of which the Member for Knaresborough entertained so ill an opinion, but if they allowed food to be freely imported from abroad, although it would not stop that tendency, yet it would so check it that it would not be felt as an evil by the great body of the community.— (Cheers.) It was the means which had been appointed by Providence to make the resources of thinly inhabited countries available to older peopled countries.—(Cheers.) Was it right to interfere with that process ? and not for the purposes of revenue, but for the benefit of a particular class to throw difficulties in the way of the importation of food?—(Cheers.) Was it just—was it wise for their own sakes to do this?—(Cheers.) He wished he could bring before them, as strongly as the subject required, the condition of the productive classes. It was a sacred duty, acknowledged by both sides of the House, to do the utmost to improve the condition of the working classes.—(Cheers.) Their condition was mo=t wretched; they had only to look around them to satisfy themselves that such was the case. The state of the eapitalists exhibited a thousand symptoms of the unhappy con sequences of this state of things.—(Cheers.) The higher the profits were the smaller amount of capital was required to en. able the tradesman to get a living. On the other hand, a low rate of profit necessarily threw all the trade of the country into few halide, to the utter ru;n of persons of humble means. phis gave edse to those overgro.vn establishments which ruined the smaller traders, and occasioned that marked division of 'ociety into a few rich and many poor, which the Right lion. '3aronet had, when he introduced the property-tax, deplored as one of the greatest of social evils. Ii nce originated the diffi culties under which the middle classes were suffering ; hence the over-crowding of professions. The state of the labouring 'classes was worse. They had heard of the miserable state of the labourers in the agricultural districts.—(" No, no," from Colonel Sihthorp.) The Gallant Member for Lintseln, like himself, came from a part of the country which was comparatively prosperous, and Lincolnshire was a proof of the truth of his argument ; for Lincolnshire owed its prosperity to the fact that, within the last century, a considerable quantity of additional land had been brought into cultivation. In the north of England the agricultural labourer vi as comparatively well off; but it-must be admitted with regard to the agricultural labourers in the south of England, that nothing ceuld be more deplorable than their condition. In Dorsetshire, Suffolk, and Wiltshire, the gre 'test distress prevailed. The case of the sempstresses of London was a symptom of the same evil—of the pressure of a crowded population upon the means of subsis tence, which forced them to offer their labour for the lowest amount of remuneration. Some persona proposed emigration su a remedy ; but her Majesty's Governmen t did net concur in this view. He agreed in the views entertained on this subject by the Hon. Member for Liskearri, but in his opinion that would not be a cure to the present evil. If they did not re move the evil, they ought at least to forbear to aggravate the evils of the poor of this country. That was all the poor aske 1 , and they had a right to ask it. They wanted a fair day's wages for a fair day's labour.—( Hear, hear.) It was but an act of justice to relieve the poor from the pressure of artificial restraints. All other remedies would prove ineffectual. The poor-laws were alleged by some to be the cause of the evil. He admitted that in cases of sickness and injury the poor had a right to be relieved, but general charity, besides being a degradation, would only aggravate the present evil. Others said it was owing to greedy masters who ground down the poor. Now, he did not believe that the manufacturers or the farmers were to be blamed for the lowness of wages, but Wages were governed by causes ever which neither had any contri.l, being regulated by the quantity which the supply bore to the (demand for labour.—(Hear, hear.) They had the power, if they chose to exercise it, of giving the poor relief by taking off those restrictions which every man knew in his conscience to be inconsistent with those pt inciplee which Bight Hon. Gentlemen opposite maintained, in what they called the abstract.—( Hear, hear.) He told them to be ware how they persevered in such a system. This was a ques tion of rents, and noth l ne, else.—(Hear, hear.) He wished well to land and the landed interest, because his interest was involved with theirs, and he (vas firmly persuaded, if they looked well into the matter, they would find it for their own advantage not to persevere is a course of legislation which was injurious to all the other classes of the community. The history of re striction for the last thirty years furnished abundant instances of agricultural distress. It was their bounden duty to consider what Was the condition of the humbler classes. This duty they should not neglect. A malediction had been pronounced by divine authority against those who withheld from the la bourer his hire, and he thought the malediction would equally apply to those legislators who persevered in maintaining a law, the evils of which were fully as gr eat as depriving the labourer of his hire. In that guilt he (Lord Hriwick ) could not take his share. They should beware how they trifled with the feelings of the people. All experience proved that justice had been too long withheld from the people ; but justice would be in the end extorted, and, he feared, something more than justice. There were symptoms which showed that they were not far distant from that end; He knew that in the present constitution of that House, no danger might be anti cipated from an) sudden political change. But what he appre hended was, that a commotion would ensue without door., having for its object a very different distribution of political power than that which at present existed. The people were under the impression that political power was at present ex ercised by the few for the benefit of that few, and the oppres sion of the many. The people of the country were, he feared, being impressed with the conviction that, under the present system they could nut obtain justice. There was, lie feared, a bitter dislike of existing institutions becoming prevalent amongst them, and when once the persuasion that these insti tutions were adverse to their welfare got possession of the peo ple, that moment the days of the existence of these institutions were numbered. Col. SIBTHORP—There was no such dislike. Lord lIOWICK feared the symptoms of it were too manifest. How else could the universal prevalence of Chartism in the ma nufacturing districts be accounted for ? It had been asked why the League did not hold meetings in the north of England—in the manufacturing diatricts. The question was thus solved. It was nut because the Chartists were favourable to the existing corn-laws, but because they expected that by uniting themselves with the middle classes, they would ultimately overthrow both the corn-laws and the institutions of this country. It was what these men termed a knife and fork question—it was a question of food. They believed the cause of the dearness and scarcity of food was class-legislation.. They must be mistaken in the remedies whichtbey proposed. but he (Lord H. )firmly be lieved that class legislation was the chief cause of their miserable condition. He would' further say that he did believe that God had so constituted the world that, with fair legislation, honest in dustry could not but obtain just remuneration. If they wished to obliterate those impressions from the minds of the working classes, they must improve their condition. If they wished to take away from them the desire for a new distribation of political power they must give them cheap food. Reference had already been made in the course of that debate to the existence of incendiarism. The Right Hon. Gentle man the President of the Beard of Trade, said he was not pre pared to deny that distress was one great cause of the pre valence of that crime. He (Lord How-ick) was persuaded that this was the cause. The discontent which prevailed had arisen from the pressure of distress. Some very interesting letters had lately appeared in the Times on this subject. The writer of those letters attributed the distress existing in Suffolk to a perverson of the new poor law, and to the re-establishment of some of those abuses which existed under the old law. It appeared that the agricultural labourers were not paid according to the value of their labour, but according to what the overseer con ceived to be their wants. The wages of single men were con sequently much reduced. He (Lord Howick ) thought this was a matter which the Poor-law Commissioners ought to inquire into and check.-- ( Hear, hear.) But h e thought the whole matter was to be traced to the existence of the corn-laws. If the corn-laws were not in existence there would not be that competition for land which at present ex j isted, whereby the farmer was prevented from giving his labourers a lair remuneration for their labour. He (Lord I Howick) believed that the corn-law was au obstacle to agr.,.. cultural improvement. It was-,me cause of the indispositi n and detailed the facts of his marriage. The conversation which existed to tal:c leases. It was a distrust' in the stability lasted four hours. of the existing law which prevented improvement. So long Mr. Et:LE—Did lie state the name of his s as there was a tear of foreign competition so long Laid CA NII.ItELL objected to the evidence altogether, on the would there he a want of agricultural improvement. ground that there might be some Ks ?mitt. He would a'k the Noble Lord the Member for / 'orsetshire, Their Lordship:4, after some discussion, decided on rejeet not to show himself ready to undertake a great experiment ing the evidence. and Dr. Loshington withdrew. for the sake of am , liorating the condition of the working Sir Robert. Stopford was called, and proved bringing his classes only with respect to those with whom his own interests late Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex, in 1793, from Leg were not affected. He asked him not to shrink from the same h; nto this country, nod in 1794 taking him back again to experiment with the same noble object, where his own class Leghern, where they arrived in March of that year. and his own party were affected.—( Hear, hear.) if no Dr. Nicholas Wiseman resided twenty-two y-ears at Rome. other means could prevail, he asked him to join them against . Was Coadjutor of the Bishop of Route there. Was aware those meastire; of restriction w hich no one dared to defend on 'of the law at Rome usually called the Council of Trent. By principle, which the very President of the Board of Trade the law there, a marriage to be valid must take place befer e had shrunk from defending on any snucd principle of corn- the parish priest and two witnesses. All Catholic marriage s meree ; when that Noble Lord saw the unhappy state of the must be according to the provisions of the Cot mil of Trent. population in conjunction with there laws, that some- The witness was then examined at some length as to what thing must be wrong, that there must be impedi- the law was in Rome with respect to marriage, and several meuts in the way of that system which Provide.,ee evidently books were referred to, written by the Popes themselves on meant to be the system of the world, by which the abun- the subject. dance of one nation was sought to supply the scarcity of another. Some discussion then took place as to the manner in which Seeing this, lie asked the Noble Lord to join them in refusing evidence should be given of what a foreign law was; whether any longer to tolerate protection, while the great body of the it should be by witnesses or by books. people were oppressed by the excessive competition of the i The Lord. Chancellor and by Brougham thought thee means of lire, that system of laws, the object and effect of should examine some skilful person, while Lord Campbell which was acknowledged to be the restriction of the facilities thought they might rely on learned books. for introducing into the country the supply of food for the Lord DENMAN said there could be no difficulty on the maintenance of the people.—(Cheers.) subject, because they had both books and learned individuals On the motion of Co!onel RUSHBROOKE, the debate c present. I was then adjourned. Lord LANGDALE said the only question was how the wit- WELSH TURNPIKES. ness was to be examined. He believed the course pursued Sir J. GRAHAM moved for leave to bring in a Rid to con- was the correct one. solidate and amend the laws relating to the turnpike trusts in Dr. Wiseman was then re-called—He was clearlyof opinion Wales. The Right lion. Baronet stated the purpose of his that a marriage at Rome between two Protestants before a measure, which is to send down a Commission to inquire into Protestant clergyman would be considered in that country the value of the trusts. to report upon the same, and, the secu- as valid, the children legitimate, and any property they rity of the tolls being given, to empower the Exchequer Loan might have would descend to their children; and such Commission to advance money to the trusts, the whole of marriage would not be subject to ecclesiastical censure. ivhieh are graduilly to be placed under the management The witness then proceeded at considerable length to county instead of local boards. The county boards were to ad- state the effect of the Council of Trent with respect minister the roads throughout each county : the roads were to to marriages in the Holy See, in the course of which he re be vested in them, and by the Act provision was made gene- fared to several eminent text writers on the subject, which rally for reducing the present amount of tolls. Provision was canted some discussion as to whether the witness could refer also made for the appointment of a superintendent with a resi- to them in evidence; or, in fact, whether his evidence could dence in South Wales. be further proceeded with, it appearing that be had not suf- Leave was then given to bring in the Bill. ficient legal knowledge of the law of marriage in Rome. • COUNTY RATES. Sir T. n.ne and Mr. ERIE submitted that the witasess Sir J. Y. BULLER obtained leave to bring in a Bill for was a competent one. amending the law respecting the assessment and levying of After examining Dr. Wiseman as to what his jurisdiction county rates. was as coadjutor Bishop in this country, SALE OF BU TER AND CHEESE. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL then addressed their Lordships. On the motion of Mr. CRIPPS, the House went into Cora- and the Committee decided in favour of the admissibility of mittee on the Acts relating to the sale of butter and cheese, the evidence. and in Committee. The examination of the witness was then resumed.—lf the Mr. CRIPPS obtained leave to bring in a Big to amend marriage was brought before any of the Roman tribunals the those Acts. marria g e would be considered legal, and the childre r w ould DISSENTERS' CHAPELS RILL. inherit. It is the opinion of theologians and lawyers that The third reading of this 13111 was adjourned to Friday next. where Protestants are married according to their own form, FIELD GARDENS. even where the Council of Trent has been promulgated, are Mr. COWPER brought in a Bill to enable parishes to married. Pope Benedict XIV. issued a bull declaring the make further provision fur the increase of field gardens for the validity of such marriages, and stating his reasons for de labouring poor. cidtng that such marriages had all along been legal. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the Lord BaOuGnam—Has any thing ever been done since at House adjourned at Half-past One. Rome to vary the construction you have put upon it? Wit ness—There.has not. The SOLICITOR-GENERA/,--Have you ever known a Can where the validity of a marriage between two Protestants has come under the consideration of the courts at Rome? Wit ness—Not since then. Cross-examined by the SOLICITOR-GENERAL—A parish priest could not marry a Roman Catholic and a Protestant , without have, because it would reeptire a dispensation. If he were to do it it would be invalid. He would not marry two Protestants, but supposing he were to do so, the mar - nage would be valid. It would not be right for the parish priest to do it, but if he were to do so it would be valid, supposing it was performed in the presence of witnesses. If it were performed by a priest without the presence of witnesses, it would be void, because it would be against the decree of the Council of Trent.. If Protestants are married by a Catholic priest, they submit themselves to the Catholic law. If a marriage between Protestants is contracted, according to their own religious forms, then the Church acknowledges that marriage. By Lord CAMPREIA.--If a Presbyterian man and a Preaby terian woman were married at Rome by a Presbyterian clergy man, that would be considered a valid marriage by the laws of Rome. By the Somerron;GENEnna—The law of Rome would not recognise the validity of the marriage of a Catholic priest, al though it might. be valid in this country, because it would be contrary to his vow. Sir T. WILDE then stated that he tad intended to call as a witness a very learned gentlenian, a Catholic priest, but he doubted whether after the last decision the House would think his evidence admissible. He would however call him. The gentleman in question was then called, and exa mined as follows :—Had studied at Rome, and went through a full course of theological education—that includes studying the law of marriage. I am what is called a pro fessed father of the Order of Jesuits. lam connected with Stonyhurst. The law of marriage forms an essential part of those laws which I had to study. By the SOLICITOR-GENERAL—I have no judicial functions to perform connected with marriage. My studies were merely to qualify me for performing the functions of a priest of the Catholic Church. By Lord BetouGnAm—l am a regular priest, not a secular priest. The balm CHANCELLOR (after a short consultation with the Judges and the Law Peers) announced, that in the ,ipinion of their Lordships the evidence of the witness was not sufficient. Some member of some tribunal at Rome, or some lawyer practising at Rome, ought to be called and examined on the subject. or certainly there would be considerable difficulty in inducing their Lordships to take the same view' of the subject as Sir Thomas Wilds. He did not wish to dictate to Sir Thomas Wilde, but he threw out the suggestion. In a question of such vast importance it was necessary that their Lordships should be in possession of the clearest evidence. The Committee then adjourned rine die, in order to afford time to Sir Thomas Wilde to procure additional testimony in support of the claim. When he is prepared, he will com municate with the Lord Chancellor, and a day will be ap pointed for the further consideration of the subject; the Lord Chancellor reminding Sir Thomas Wilde of the necessity of procuring this additional testimony before the Judges went on circuit. PARLIAMEN TARY DIVISIONS. (From the Votes and Proceedings (lithe Houle of Commons.) )LoNnair, JUNE 24. POST-OFFICE. Petition of Charles Stolzman, alleging that Letters ad dressed to him are secretly detained and opened at the General Post• office, and praying for inquiry, brought up, and read: Motion made, and Question put, " That the said Petition be referred to a Select Committee, for the purpose of inquiring into the circumstances under which Letters have been secretly opened, delayed, or detained, at the General Post-office, since the Ist of January last; also, into the form in which warrants for that purpose have been issued, and the mode in which they have been executed and obeyed ; the said Committee to report thereupon to the House, together with their opinion as to the expediency of making any alterations in the Law under which the secret opening, delaying, or detaining of l'ost Letters is conducted:" The House divided : MINORITY—AYES, 162. Aglionby H. A. Fox, Charles Richard Pechell, Captain Aldam, William French, F. Pendarves, F. W. Archbold, Hobert Gibson, T. M. Philips, G. R. Armstrori, Andrew tiisborne, Thomas Phili;i,, Mi.rk Bannerman, A. Granger, T. C. Piumridgc, Captain Barclay, David Grey, Sir G Ponsonby, C. k..\. Baring, Y. 'l'. Grosvenor, Lord R. Power, James ilarnard.E. G. Hail, Sir B. Protheroe, E. Barron, H. AN Hanmer, Sir John Ramsbottom, J. Bellew, R. M. Hawes, B. Rawdon, J. D. Berkeley, C. Hayter, W. G. Ricardo, J. L. Berkeley, Captain Hen,age, E Roebuck, J. A. Berkeley, Hon. G. F Hill, LorirMarcus Russell, Lord John Bernal, Ralph Hindley, Charles Russell, Lord E. __ Bernal, Cap.am Hobhouse, Sir J. C. Rosen, J. 1) Blackstone, W'. Holland, Robert. Scholetield, J. Bouverie, E. P. Horsman, Edward Seale, Sir J. Henry Bright, John Hoskins, K. Sheil, It. K Brotherton, J. Howard, C. W. G. Shelburne, Lord Browne, R. D. Howard, J. K. Smith, B Buller, C. Howard, Lord Smith, J. Abel Buller, E. Howard, E. G. Smith, Vet non Busteild, W. Howard, H. Standish, Charles Butler, P. S. Ilowick, Viscount Staunton, Sir G. T. Christie, W. D. ` fiery, ph Stewart, Clay, Sir W. Ilump John Stuart, W. Villiers! Clement ~, Lord Hutt, W. Stock, Sergeant Cobden, Richard Jervis, J. Strickland., Sir U. Colt,orne, W k ltidley Johnson, General Strutt, Illward Colebrookc, Sir 'P. Langston, J. H. Tanerad, H. W. Col ett, John Langton ' W. Gore Thornely, Thomas Collins, W. Layard, Captain Townelev, John t owper, Hon. W. F Leader,' .'.T. Train. George Craig, 5V G. Lemon, Sir C. lroubridge, Sir T. Currie, Raikes Lcveson, Lord Tufneil, Henry Dahneny, Lord Macaulay, T. B. Tuite, Hugh M. Dalrymple, Captain M`Geachy, F. A. Turner, F. Dawson,l . V. Wfaggart, J. Vane, Lord H. Denison, W. J. Mangles, R. D. Wakley, TkornLs Dinison, J E Marsland, Henry Walker, R. D'Eyncourt, 'l. C. Mitchell, I. A. Wall, B. Divktt E. Morris, David Wallace , R obert Diax,'.l.,S W. E. Morison, General Warburton, H. Duff, James Morrison, James Watson, W. H. Duncan, Viscount Mums, G. F. %%awn, J. T. Duncan, George Napier, Sir Charles Williams, W. Dundas, Frederick O'Brien, J. Wilshere, W. Dunilas, Hon. J. C. O'Connell, M. Wood, Cnarles Ebrington, Viscount O'Conor Don Worley, Lord Ellis, Wpm O'Ferrall, R. More W y se, llicanas Elphinstone, Howard Ogle, S. C. H. Yorke, Redhead Ei4llollde, Sir T. Ord William Ewart, William Paget, Frederick TELLERS Ferguson, Colonel Paget, Lord Alfred Duncombe, T. S. Fitzroy, Lord C. Parker. J. Bowriiag, Pr. Forster, Matthew Pattison, James COURT OF BANKRUPTCY, June 24. (Before Mr. Commissioner Gotmenft.N.) THF. ROMFORD BANK.—IN RE THOMAS JOHNSON, THE ELDER. —JoHNFTON. JUN, AND CHARLES MANN. This day was tixed for the choice of assignees in the matter of these bankrupts, who carried on business as bankers, at Romford, Essex. The senior partner is the Alderman of the ward of Portsoken, and within a very few years had filled the office of Lord Mayor of the city of London. The Court was crowded during the proceedings. Mr. Wilkinson, as solicitor for the County Bank, said it would tend considerably to shorten the proceedings in this ease to-day, if he were permitted to say a few words. There was a meeting of creditors at Romford of Wednesday, when the general feeling was expressed in favour of the appoint ment of four of the largest creditors as assignees, and that a number of powers of attorney to vote in such choice had been given to Mr. Biscott, and if that gentleman now intended to use them for those four gentlemen, then we will agree to their being appointed at once. The Learned COMMISSIONER thought that such a proposal was very fair ; and, ati.er some conversation, Mr. Biscott as sented to the proposition. At a meeting held at Roinford on Wednesday last, proofs to a very large amount, including those of the holders of notes and depositors, were taken before Mr. Campbell, the Learned Registrar of this Court, and the only one which stood over was a proof tendered by Mr. Stacey, the secretary of the Agricultural Association, on the behalf of that body, for SO/. A technical objection, however, was taken to the ad missibility of the proof, as the society was not incorporated, although checques drawn by Mr Stacey on account of that association had been duly honoured. The Learned Commissioner demanded the claim to be in serted on the proceedings, subject to the investigation of the rules of the society. The following gentlemen were then chosen assignees : Mr. Robert H. George, of Ilford, auctioneer; Mr. John Mee son, of Grays, lime. burnpr ; Mr Woodford, of Horrichurch, brewer; and Mr. John Cooper, of West Ham, miller. Mr. Wilkinson here begged to observe that there was a very strong feeling amongst the creditors against the conti nuance of any allowance to either of the Johnsons, although they were perfectly willing to grant it to Mr. Mann. Mr. George (one of the assignees) strongly urged that Mr. Johnson had no light to have assumed the position which he had done, and it was with the view of marking their disap probation of his conduct that they now sought to withhold his allowance. Mr. Commissioner GOVLBVRN—The grant of an allowance is in the power of the Court up to the choice of the assig nees; but afterwards it rests with them . The object for which an allowance is granted is to enable the bankrupt to attend upon the official assignee, and thereby render the estate all the assistance in his power; and this course I take to be nit only humane but politic, and a bankrupt shoilld not be crushed. Mr. George—l have not, Sir, made my observations under any feelings of irritation, but as it appears tobe usual to grant a bankrupt some allowance, I should propose an allowance of 4/. a week to Mr. Mann, 2/. to Mr. Johnson, sen., and 1/. to the sow. We merely wish this distinction to be made on the ground of public good, and to mark our sense of disapprobas tion of the conductjof Mr. Johnson, and to show that we are unwilling to permit a man Co come amongst us with such ob vious intentions. Mr. Wilkinson—This is quite true, Sir; for a sum of 3001. was taken (received) by Mr. Johnson, out of which he had re tained 401. for his own use. The Learned Coatsits.sionst said lie was very sorry. but this sum must be given up, and the assignees could examine the bankrupt upon that point, if they should think proper. Mr. Lankliain, for the bankrupt Johnson, said he thought that there must be some misunderstanding as to the 40/.,, which. if taken, lie could only attribute to Mr. Johnson's want of knowledge of the law. He (Mr. Longhorn) alsi hoped that the assignees would not prejudge a man who, if lie have done wrong, should only be punished in the proper way. In addition, he would also pray the assignees not tee forin a hastvjudgment until the accounts had been gone into. The total amount of debts proved is abouf4o,ooo/., and the question of an allowance to the bankrupts was by consent suffered to remain in abeyance for the ptesant. The amount of the baukrupts' notes in circulation are estimated at 16,0001.; but until the bankrupts' accounts are gone into, it. is Bible to say what assets may be realised. MAJORITY—NOES, 206. Acland, 'l'. D Entwisle, William Masterman ' John A'Court, Captain Escort, Bichkam lifordaunt,Str J. Acton, Colonel Estcouri, T. G. B. Morgan, Octavius Adore. I.ord I eilden, W. Mundy, E. M. Adderley, C. B. Feilowes, Edward Neeld, Joseph Alford, Viscount Filmer, Sir E Neeld. John Allix, Jshn Peter Fitzroy, Hun. H Neville, Ralph Antrobus, Edmund Forman, T. S. Neivilegate, C. N. Arbuthnot, Hugh Fox, S. Lane Newport, Vi.count A rkwright, Geot ge Fremantle, Sir T. Nichol', John Arundel, Lord Fuller, A. E. Surreys, Lord Mlle.;, Lora Gardner, J. D. O'Brien, A. S. Baillie, Colonel Ciaskelinnes Milnes• Ossulston, Lord Baird, Willmm Gladstone, W. E. Packe, C. Wm. Balfour, J. it. Gladstone, Captain Palmer, R. Baring, W. B. Godson, Richard Palmer, (I. Baring, Thomas Gordon, Captaia Patten, J. W ilson Barneby, John Gore, M. Peel, Sir Rob rt Barrington, Viscount Gore, W. Ormsby Peel, Jonatlian Baskerville, 'F B. M. Gore, W. R. 0. Pennant, Colonel Batesoii, Robert Goring, Charles Plumptre, J. P. Beckett, William Goulburn,:lienry Powell, Colonel BerestorJ. Major Graham, Sir James Freed, William T. . Bolder°, Henry G. Greets, T. Price, Richard i B or thwick, Peter Grimsditen, Thomas Pringle, Alexander Bat field, Bcriah Griniston, Lord Pusey, Philip Bowles, Admiral Groga n, Edward Re p ton, George W. Bramston, T. W. Raiford, Henry ltichards, i Richard r,roailley, 11. Hamilton, J. Hans Rolleston, Colonel Firownrigg, J. S. Hamilton, Lord C. Round, Charles Gray Biuce, Lord Ernest Harns, EA. J. Round, John Buller sir J. I. Henley, J. W. Runs, Hon. Captain Buubury, Thomas Henniker, Lord Ruslibrooke, Colonel Enna, Sir Thomas Hepburn, Sir T. B. Sanderson ' B. C ar d w ell. Edward Herbert, Sydney Sandon, Lord Cartwright, W. R.. Hervey, Lord A. Sheppard, T. Cnartens. Hon: F. Hodgson, F. Shir l ey , E. J. Chelsea, Viscount .Hodgson. R. Kilathorp, Colonel Cholmondeley, Hugh hope, Charles Smith, I'. B. C. Christopher, it. A. Hope, Alexandria* Smyth, Sir H. Chute, W. L. Hope, G. VV, Smollett, A, Clerk, Sir George Iluniby, John Somerset, Lord G. Clive, It. H. liouldsw.erth, T. Sotheron, 'l'. H,,. C o ckburn, Sir G. Hussey, Thomas Stanley, Lord Codrington, Sir W. ingestre, Lord Stewart, John Compto , . IL C. Irton, S. Sutton, Hon. IL M Corry, kl. James, Sir W. C. Taylor, Ldward Courtenay, Lord Jennyn, Earl Tennent, J. E. Creiswell, Baker Johnstone, Sir John . Thesiger, V. Cripps, William jolliffe, Sir W. Thompson, Aid. Ramer, Hon. G. ' Jones, T. - Th riihill, George Parlay, George Kemble, Henry Trench, Sir Frederick Davies, D. A. S. Knatchbull, Sir E. . l'revor, lion. G. A. Dawnay, Hon. W. Knight, Henry Gaily Trollops, Sir John Denison, E. Beckett Knight, F. W. Trotter, J. Dodd, George Lawson, Andrew Verner, Colonel Douglas, Sir H. Lefroy, Anthony . Vesey, ti6ll. Thomas Dougla', Sir C. Lennox , Lord A. Vivian, John Ennis Douro, larquis of Leslie. C. P. . . Waddington, H. S. Dowdeswell. W. Lincoln; Earl of Welby, G. E. Drummond, H. H. Lockhart, H. 1L Williams, T. P. Dugdale, W. S. William Wodehouse, E. Duncombe, Hon. 0. Lvgon, General Wood, Colonel East, James Buller Itfackenzie, Wm. F. Wortley, Jas. Eastnor, Viscount Maclean, Dowild . Wortley, Hon.Johis Eaton, Richard J. M' Neill,. Duncan Yorke, Hon. E. T. E ge rton, W. 'l'. Mahon, Viscount Egerton Sir P. Si. Itlainwaring, T. TELLE R 'S. Eliot, Lord ' Manners, Lord C. S. Young, John Emlyn, - Viscount Martin, C.W. Bating, H. B. BANK OF ENGLAND CHARTER BILL. Order for Committee read; Motion made, and Question proposed, That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair:"— Amendment proposed, to leave out from the word " That" to the end of the (4ttestion, in order to add the words " this House will, upon this day six months, resolve itself into the said Committee," instead thereof :--Question put, " That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Question :" The House divided : MAJORITY—AYES, 205. MINORITY—NOES, 18. Colborne, N. R. NV. Johnson, General Trotlope, Sir John Collins, William Morris, David Turner , E. VEyncourt, C. T. NewdegAte, C. N Wakley, Thom Duncan, George Scott, R. Wodehouse, Estmend Liisborne, Thomas Seale, Sir J. H. TELLERh. Hastie, A. Sibthorp, Colonel Wallace, It Henley, J. W. Taylor, J. A. Muntz, G. F. LAW INTELLIGENCE. HOUSE.OF LORDS, June 25 THE DUKEDOM OF SUSSEX—COMMITTEE FOR PRIVILEGES, 1 Their Lordships at to-day in a Committee for Privileges, , for the purpose of further considering the claim of Sir Augustus D'Este to the Dukedom of Sussex. The judges were also in attendance. Amon* the Peers present, We noticed the Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Shaftesbury, Lord B roug ham, Lord Campbell, Lord Langdale, the Duke of Hamilton, Lord Beaumont, Lord Cloncurry, Lord Denman, Viscount Strangford, Lord Redesdale, Lord Wrottesley, the Earl of Devon, the Earl of Wicklow, Lord Colville, and the Duke of Richmond; and among the judges, the Lord Chief Justice of the Common Pleas, the Lord Chief Baron of the Exchequer, Mr. Justice Coltman, Mr. Justice I'atteson, and Mr. Justice Williams. Counsel being called in, Sir T. WILDE proceeded to call the following witnesses. Augusta Emma D'Este, the sister of the claimant, proved the death of her mother and the finding of various corres pondence, after that event, between the late Duke of Sussex and her mother. She also proved and produced the Prayer book by which Mr. Gunn married her mother to her father. The marriage took place at Rome. Lady Virginia Murray—Was the daughter of the ,Earl of Dunmore, and. sister of the mother of the last witness. His late Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex visited their family when at Rome, and paid great attentions to her sister. Heard of their marriage at Florence. Recollects her sister being confined in Lower Berkley-street. The claimant was the child that was then born. The late Duke of Sussex and Lady Augusta lived together as man and wife. The claimant was called the little Prince, or Pr ince Au g ustus, and the claimant's sister was called the Princess Augusta. The Right lion. Dr. Lushington was then called, and stated that he was very well acquainted with his late Royal Highness the Duke of Sussex. He constantly conversed with witness on matters upon which he took a deep inte rest, and several times on the subject of his marriage. The particular period at which he conversed was when his Royal Highness was at Halcombe, about 1825, 1826, or 1827. His itoyal Ilighnem took witness into his private apartments GUANO.—The steamers, coasting vessels, railways, &c., are in active operation in conveying this valuable manure from the various cargoes that have recently ar— rived into the port of London. There not having been any importation (luring the last month along the coast from Plymouth to Newcastle, except into this port, snit only two or three into Scotland, the demand is thrown upon this market, and the rain so necessary W evolve the ammonia from the guano, gives a further stimulus to the trade, as this m:nuro is so much wanted now for turnip sowing and the second crop of grass. The only mart at Liverpool was for sale there on the 25th, and not as single ship has been reported from either Cork or Fat. mouth for about a fortnight past, so that no farther arrivals can be expected for some time. DEATH OF TIIE DOWAGER LADY GUMMY:C.—. We regret to announce the death of the Dowager Lady Glen.. lyon. The melancholy event took place atDunkeld on that 21st instant, after a protracted illness, which her Ladyship bore with exemplary fortitude. Her Ladyship was the daughter of Hugh, the late Duke of Northumberland, and sister of the present Duke, and was married in 1810 to Lord James Murray, second son of the late Duke of Athol, ea brother of the present Duke. His Lordship was raised to the peerage by the title of Lord Glenlyon in July, 1821, and expired on the 12th of October, 1837. The present Lord Glenlyon, the lion. Charlotte A UgUsta Murray, the lion. James Murray, and the lion. Mrs. Maynard survive their respected parent. he contemplated alliance between Lord Charles Wellesley, M.P., Clerk Marshal of thellousehold, and Mis• Pierrepont, only child and heiress of the Right Hen. H. M. Pierrepont, and niece to the Marqnis of Exeter,. and Ear& ldanvers, is fixed to take place next Thursday se'imight. ~. •ter ~ 1.•. V be e° ' I