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IMPEit I AMINT. power to relieve those who were now suffering from the existence of the system of imprisonment for debt. The Earl of MINTO looked upon the preposition of the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woolsack as an in direct way of getting rid of the Bill. He should cer tainly support the Bill. Their Lordships then divided on the motion that the Bill be read a third time, when there appeared— Contents 4 Not Contents 2B Majority — 24 The Bill was then ordered to be referred to a Select Committee. HOUSE OF LORDS, June 21. Their Lordships assembled at five o'clock. The Earl of WICKLOW presented two petitions from fork, in favour of the Birkenhead Dodksßill. Lord COMBERMERE presented a petition from t_sheshire in favour of protection to agriculture. DON CARLOS. Ihe Earl of CLARENDON, after referring to a cor i espondence which had taken place between Don Carlos end the Noble Earl the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, Kith reference to a proposal of Don Carlos for the mar : :age of his son to the Queen of Spain, expressed a wish . to Jaave some explanation on the matterexpressed a wish to jave some explanation the matter ron her Ma i tety's Government. He wished to know if her Ma ester's Government had any objection to produce the .orrespondence which had taken place on the subject ? .The Earl of ABERDEEN said, that whatever part i:er Majesty's Government might take with respect to the tnarriage of the Queen of Spain, clue atttention would be HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 21. paid to the honour and independence of that country. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. It was perfectly true that a Noble Lord had submitted The Lords' amendments to the Chester and Holyhead to him (the Earl of Aberdeen) a letter from Don Carlos, Railway Bill were read and agreed to. le which his Royal Highness referred to the Noble Lord Mr. WODEEIOUSE presented fourteen petitions from tearing the lette r as b e i ng in possessi on o f hi s (Don places in Norfolk against th e corn -l aws. —(L aughter.) e'arlos*) intention s , an d of the sacrifices which he was i Dr. BOWE ENG presented a petition from Douglas, nclined to make for the pacification of Spain. That complaining of the eystem of licensing adopted in the Noble Lord stated that Don Carlos was ready to relin- Isle of Man, and praying for inquiry into the subject. quish his claim to the Spanish throne upon his son's SUNDAY TRADING. . marriage with Queen Isabella. Whether the Queen . Mr. COPELAND presented a petition, signed by the was to marry his son as a subject, or as sove- shopkeepers of Clare-market, who were engagedlin Sun ts_ign, he (the E ar l o f Ab er d een) could not say. day trading , praying the House to take steps to aboli s h ',pen receiving this communication, he had im- Sunday trading. toediately informed the Spanish Government of Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented petitions from Kent it, but he had not thought it his duty to press for an j against any alteration in the: corn-laws. answer. He did not think it was expedient to pro- 1 DISSENTERS' CHAPELS BILL. duce the correspondence which had taken place. Mr. THORNELY presented a petition in favour of Several petitions in favour of the legalisation of Pres- l this Bill. byterian mixed marriages were presented. Petitions against the Bill were presented by Mr. LAW OF LIBEL BILL. PLtTMPTRE anti Lord ASHLEY. Lord CAMPBELL postponed the discussion on this SCOTCH PRISONS BILL. Bill until the third reading, in consequence of the absence Mr. DENNISTOUN presented a petition from the of Lord Denman. Provost and Magistrates of Hamilton asrainst the Scotch The report on th e Bill was then brought up, Prisons' Bill. b I NSOLVENT DEBTORS ACT AMENDMEN T Mr. WALLACE presented a simil ar petition from the BILL. Corporation of Greepock. Mr. WORTLEY presented several petiti ons from ye ' Lord BROUGHAM move d t h at t h e report on this• Bill rious plaees in the.\\•rest Riding of Y or k s hi re , signed by be bro ug h t up. The object of the Bill was to amend the . attention to the Anti-C orn -l aw L eague i n Bill by w hi c h t h e arrest in mesne process was abolished. upwards of 20,000 person s , p ray i ng t h at the h ouse 'filet Act h a d b een f ound to be defective in many of its pa r t s , would pay no and it was to remedy the evils which were complaimAd of. i their endeavours to repsal the corn-laws. The Bill w as a l so i nten d ed to reach the culpable debtor, 1 Sir R. INGLIS p resente d a pet i t i on from the church while it would give rotyetion to th e un f ortunate one. 1 wardens a n d ot h er i n h a bi tants of St. Clement - Danes There were cases i n ‘ w h ic h this Bill would retain the . against Sund a y trading ; and a petition from the con system of imp r i sonment f or debt, but in substance ! gregatiou o t Brunswick Chapel, Dover-road, against this. system, by Ci s Bill, wou l d b e abolished. The the Dissent s r s ' Ch ape l s Bill . Bill would only retain it in very extreme cases, or in I PRECIOUS METALS. cases of absolute and distinct fraud ; and against i Mr. WODEHOUSE moved that an humble address a contumacious debtor. Under the former Bill on this ,be presented to her Majesty, praying that she would be gra subject which he had introduced in 1842, not less a sum i ciously pleased to give direction* that there be laid be at money than two millions had been distributed amongst fore this House, through the medium of' her Majesty's creditors. HP therefore had great confidence in the present Ambassador, or other diplomatic agent at the Court of Bill, seeing -that the last had worked so well. He said y Russia, an account of the produce in gold of the wash they ought to abolish imprisonment in all cases where they ings of the mines in Siberia and other parts, carried on debtor could show that he was an unfortunate, and upon account of the Crown and of individuals, from 1830 not a guilty or contumacious debtor. His Noble to 1842 inclusive.—Agreed So. and' Learned Friend (Lord Cottenham) had intro- ANNOYANCE JURIES. duced :7 1 .1;11 on thi s - su bj ect, b ut his Noble and Learned Captain ROUS move d f or returns f rom the High- Friend p ro p ose d to abolish imprisonment for debt in bailiff and Court of B urgesses o f Westm i nster, of the in all case s a b so l utely ; and he proposed that in the case gross amount o f t h e anierc i uments and fines levied by the Annoyance J ur i es an d C ourt of Burgesses, under ot a .fratelulent debto r , th e i nso l vent should Le indicted, the Act 29 Geo. 11. e . 25 , s i nce t h e year 1830, distinguish- Tide prevision never cou ld b e carried into effect, as very ing the amount l ev i e d i n eac h year, and how the su me few credit ors wou ld b e found to prosecute- whereas the provision in his (Lord Brougham's) Bill would carry levied were appropriated ; of the amounts and particu itself into e ff ec t. Thi s B i ll was not to apply to any per. lags, as s e t f or th i n t h e presentments, of the amercia son before the I s t o f January step he had taken, b u t he , 1845. He would a t p re - moots lusted by e ac h A nnoyance J ury during the years sent rest cont en t e d w i t h t h e 1841, 1842, 1843, an d 1844, an d o f t h e number and amount d would, prob a bl y , i n t h e next session of Parliament, in- of the amer c i amen t s remitte or mitigated during tho e troduco a m easure w i t h respect to the distinctions which years, din t i ngu i s h i ng those remitted from those ndtigated, and stating to w h a t amounts t h e same were mitigated ; at present ex i s t e d i n the law relating to debtors a n d creditors, bet ween tra d ers and non-traders. Ile did not and of th e names , a dd resses, and descriptions of the par believe th a t a sum of 100/. had been lost in the City of ties who s erve d on suc h l ast ment i oned juries. London by th e a b ol i t i on of arrest for debt on mesne Alderman COPELAND presente d a petition from the process. He h a d ma d e many inquiries of tradesmen, inhabitants of t h e Lib erty of the Rolls against Sunday and none of th em •h a d experienced any loss in cense- trading. sine:ice. All he asked of their Lordships was, to com plete: their measure of 1842, which had :been found to work well, and with advantage to the public. - Lord CO•I'TENHAM had not expected to be called upon to discuss a subject which their Lordships had dis posed of in the last week in April, when he moved the second reading of a Bill on this very subject, namely, the Debtors and Creditors Bill, which stood this night for a third reading, and the principle of whieh 'vas unani mously affirmed on the 30th of April last. He ex pressed his surprise - that his Noble and Learned Friend should now object to the abolition of imprisonment for debt. It was true, his Noble Friend intended to relax the system of imprisonment for debt, but he retained the principle. He (Lord Cotten haa.)- was surprised that such a change had taken place in his Noble and Learned Friend's opinions in so short a time. In April last his Noble and Learned Friend had aelvoeated the abolition of imprisonment for debt, and, in proof of this, he need only refer to what took phtee on the second reading of his (Lord Cottenham's) 'ill in the month of April last. The Bill of his Noble and Learned Friend would alter all the existing bank- I ruptcy la ws , w hit e it took' away one o f th e most i m- I NEW POOR-LAW. Sir WALTER JAMES gave not i ce, that on an early p ortaut function s o f t h e courts of equity. He thought I their Lordships had a ri g ht to a dh ere to the decision 0 : occasion lie shimld P u t a quest i on to t h e Right Hon. !whit. .11 they came in the last week in April, and .not, by Secretary for the Home Department as to the truth assenting to the .Bill of his Noble Friend, rescind the of the statement, that there was in operation any v•ite to which they came on that occasion. He admitted 1 system of denying out-door relief altogether, except in that if his Bill did not to pass, the Bill of his Noble and 1 cases where a certificate should be s i gne d b y t h e em - Learned F r l en d would be a very useful measure. - ! ployer of th e Iph out er, which was said to prevail in the Lord ASHBURTON thought there we re cases in coun t ie s of Norfolk and suffolk. which impriso nmen t f or debt should be still continued. 1 COURT OF REQUESTS. Ile thought the Bill of the Noble and Learned Lord 1 Mr. 0. STANLEY, seeing the Right Hon Baronet, who had just sa t d own was qu i te as stringent with respect ; the Hume Se cretary i n hi s p l ace, begged to repeat a to imprisonm en t f or d e b t as the Bill of his Noble Friend . early period o f t h e sess i on, with regard to the question he had p u t t o the Right Hon. Gentl e m an , at en opposite (L or d B roug h am). He thought the man who ' tsok the property of his neighbour, under a promise to : prison of the Court of Requests at Birmingham; - pay for it in a month, and did not at the end of that time i and also with respect to the prison of the Court of Re ilo 50, was as much guilty as the man who committed ! quests at Kidderminster, which was stated to be badl I heft y • . , and, in his o pi n i on, a man so conducting himself . constructed, while gr ea t comp l a i nts were made by the ( - night to be deprived for a time of his personal liberty. 1e wished t ., k now w h ether any inquiry had been prisoners of th e di et , w hi c h was. only bread and water. lie thou g h t t h ere ought to be imprisonment for debt in instituted w' t h respect to the prison at Kid.- all cases where the ins o l vent cou l d not make a fair and • (Ten di sc l osure of his affairs.' derminster ; whether the Right Honourable Gen- The, LOUD CH ANCELLOR said their Lordships : Leman, as Home Secretary, had felt satisfied with . the correspondence with the authorities at were placed in a considerable difficulty, inasmuch as they Birmingham, as to the state of the prison there, and if were called upon to decide between the two measures ' he had instituted any inquiry into th e s t ate o f t h e pr i sons .of his two N o bl e an d L earned Friends (Lord Brougham' and Lord C o t ten h am). One Noble and Learned Lorcl of the Cour ts o f R equest i n other parts of the kingdom. said that his Bill,was better than the other, and how : He wished to know, likewise, whether the Bill brought were their Lordships.to come to a decision upon the re- • into the other House of Parliament (the Abolition of !alive merits of the two Bills ? He would recommend Imprisonment for Debt Bill) vv - ould do away with these their L or d s hi ps to refer the Bills to a Select Committee, prisons ? - ill order that th e b est parts of each Bill sho u ld be ' Sir J. GRAHAM said, with re s p ec t t o th e pr i son of the Co of Request s a t Kidd erm i nster, he had thought adopted an d p l aced in one Bill. This appeared to him to be the. only way in which they could get out of the ; it his duty to send down an inspector, for the purpese difficulty in whi c h th ey were placed. He thoug completed, but he h a d not yet rece i ved it. Withht they :of making a re p ort , w hi c h he understood had been ought not AO make suc h great a l terat i ons. in the law of • the kilt tits had beep proposed without due consideration. ' respect to the prison at Birmingham he had not as yet received a zatisf ac t ory report. The proper cour se By the BM o f hi s N o b le and Learned Friend near him . (Lord C o tt en h am) a prince of the blood might be sum- to he athipted in such a ca s e was to apply t o t h e C ourt ' , moned befo re a -B an k ruptcy Commissioner, interrogated , Queen s Bench, f o r th e S ecretary o f State had no power • and, if hi s a nswers s h oulvl not be satisfactory, committed . - to interfere. With reference t o th e quest i on o f the - to fi'isoa. lie (the L or d Ch ance l lor) did not mean to Flonourahle Ge n tl eman on t h e su b ject of the say that there should not be this equality in the law— • Comity Courts Bill, he had to state that there certainly God forbid that he should—but this he said, before they : were I - so - visions in th e Bill w hi c h wou ld remove these e preceeded to rnake•such large ch anges i n t h e established objections. But t h ere was b e f ore th other House a law of the land they ought to have ample opportunity of Bill which went to the abolition of' imprisonment for well considering the subject. Ile thought that the system . debt altogether, and if that passed into a law, it. would of imprisonment for debt acted in terrorem over persons, ! altogeth e r remove th e necessity of legislating on this and restrained th em f rom running into debt . He ad- subieet, vised their Lerdships t o be co ns id e ri ng cautio us in question, and net to com e to any upon conclusion it - . . LOAN. ; without first having j fully investigat e d the subject. . ! Mr. HAWES seeing the Noble Lord the Secretary for Lewd BROUGHAM . was ready to acced e to t h e pro- the Colonie s i n hi s p l ace, w i s h e d to ask him if it was ... position ,of li:s _Noble and Learned Friend (she Lord true that her Majesty's Government had reeeived from 4lianceller).of referring these Bills to a Select Committee. the Legislature of Demerara an ordinance for the pier- Lord C tiMPBELL had heard the speech of his Noble pose of raising a loan for the promotion of immigration into the co l ony, Nv l i i c h ordinance was accompanied ant ! Learned Friend oft the Woolsack w i t h much stir- • ! pris.. and mortification, for it n ow a pp eare d t h at impri- by another, sotin g a cad list for a number of years; but ' this ordi nance was contingent upon her Majesty sane sonm,ent - fur slebt Was not to be aboli s h e d d ur in g the presea t session of Parliament, although th e y h a d arr i ved thee any meas ures h a d been adopted with regar d to emi tiening th e first or di nance. He also wished to ask whe ats the :third' reetling of this Bill. It was non', after the : Bill tad passed 'through oration fer India, an d h e trusted there %a m id b e no ob all the stages up t o. th e third -. y readingo 5n the end of J une , th a t hi s N o bl e and Learned .1" 't to la before the Hou se any d ocuments connected Friend •on th e W oo l sac k came forward to oppose it. He with thst ' l j' et " (Lord Clampb e ll) cou ld not but regret that his Noble and Lord STANLEY said th e H on . G ent l eman had been correctly inthreacd. as to the terms for the vote- for an Leatmed• e F r i en d h a d thought it his duty to take such a emigration loan for Demerara. He h a d rece i ve d that course. 4)n the seco n d rea di ng o f th i s Bill his Noble ordinance by th e l as t ma il. Ile state d to the colonial and Lei creed Friend h a d supporte d i t, and now he came authorities that . it appeared to him that the. Bill had down arid opposed it. He (L or d Campbell) could assure been passed i n grea t h aste, on l y two c l ays having elapsed his Nobl e an d L earne d Friend that this chanee of eon between the time. of its introduction and th e ti me o f duct would n ot me e t w i t h the approbation' of the : countrvo To retject the Bill of his Noble and Learned ' its passing, and that as it was clear sufficient time Friend(Lord Coi.`enhan) would be to reverse a decision , had not be e n elfortled for the co l on y t o express which he ti al rea d y ' L ' asse d tha t H ouse. its opinion on th e su bj ect, h e should postpone submitting the - erdinance to her Majesty, u n til th e The Mike of IVI ' LLINGTON said they were not i colony bad had an opp or t un i ty - o f espressng its opinion. called upon to reject i'll,st Bill. There' were two Bills . before thei r Lordships, tid the proposition before their All the papers relating. to emigratio n t o th e W est I ndies Lordships *a s to ref;r t t • ie two Bills to aSelect C orn - had been laid before the House with the exce p t i on of milieu. • one dispatch, and that be had no objection to l a y b e f ore Lord COTTEN HAM said ,the effect of sending these . . the House. With regard to emigration from India, a : Bills to a Select correspondence heel been going on with the G'overnor- Committee who'd be to reject es Bill ; General on the sultjeet ; and he could state that a inea and he believed that that was the • ! f , ohje`tt 0 , the pro- positione—(Hear, hear.)sure requiring that a certain number of females should The LORD CHANCELLOR accompany e'‘: r:y bait of emigrants from India was • -• • LOR explained. The E• trl of WINCIIIr at present tinder consideration ; but the question had .SEA thought the a leolition of imprisonittent for debt would have thee ici i not been decided as yet , because great difficult)• effect, and therefore he should op os most, i 0:11 of Ol s existed in prevailing on respectable females to tleßi If the ac- Noble and :learned Lord (Cot tenha P m). e •company tl • husbands - in these emigrations ; and their The LOED moved AV the C HAN C EL LOR then if it were insisted on t h at a certa i n num b er of female; Bill be re;ccimmitted. should accompany each batch of emigrants, the class The Bill isvas then ordered to be referred to. a Select of females who wou ld so accompany them would not be Committee.' likely to conduce to the reputation of the country for DEBTORS AND CREDITORS' BlLr_ i ., j morality.— (A laugh.) With regard to the ordinance Lewd COI TENIIAM then moved the thirde e a . a e;„ for the c i v il li st i t certa i n l y depended en the other of this Bill. ' ' ordinance, but the civil list related to the year 1847, so The Low CHANCELLOR moved that V, is: Bill that there was ample time to take it: into consideration. FEES TO CLERKS• OF THE PEACE. also be reeccenmitted. Lord 1) ENMAN supported the original motim ~ He , Mr. B. EscoTT wished, in order to prevent mis apprehensions, that the Right Hon. Secretary for the regretted that the decision which had been art vet lat on 1 Home D e the seeon(ll reading of the Bill of his Noble and -1" ~, a rnet which rronent would explicitly state that the Bill to Friend (L iord Cottenham) was not to be carried 47511 t ; for oi ferexit he class s'saflof'Sheled last night rehat'd to a totally dif hefees than those to which he (Mr. Escott) though t ; it was of the highest importance th; it h 3I P -- had alluded, and the recei v i ng o f w hi c h sins at present sem - runt 1. n - debt sho u ld b e a b o li s h ed without cl. .e.y• ill . egal. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that if th e Seled J. GR. ARAI Committee- esti these two Bills should be ap of a ted, he S i r a Learned ' t . l ag,reel ijon. an T, ,a- that the fees to which the ...Leman bad alluded were illegal. would su =est that the Committee should Or P occee i with AWOL ANA' ENT or n , of Sir Ile HOUSE. its • !about ta some clay next week, and continues sitting on the motion . G. CLERK, it was agreed that de (lie in ifietn, so that there would be ve li tti'e loss the Honse, as its rising, do adjour n till Monday of time, stet the - report could be made in a ferwydttys, . 'The Du' ke of WELLINGTON sa id i t was not intended MEDICAL PROFESS ION. act Com- Sir J. GRAHAM, in answer to. ii_ question from an to overthr, Ths this Bill by referring it to a Se) ruittee. . Hon. Member, stated, that he should certainly intro- Lord CA atPBELL said they might ex eat the report duce the Bill for the - regulation of the Medical prni es- iiiftithat Coil Insittee about the 9 1st of August. Eli propos sion duri ng the p rese nt se s sion. Whether he should be on of referring the Bill to a Select Corot - • - - able to it •ld be another question.—(A laugh.) ro see was pass woe drtually t o .6 ' ' ABINGDON ELECTION. as Noble ftleet the Bill ; and he would rev of amend the Solicitor-General in b his 5n0t 1it.6.444)1.ev aLearned Friend to wash his han do of the Mr. CHRISTIE seeing the blame of its defeat to those tate whom place, wished to put to him a question. It would ein w 3 ji • 4.t F ti 'isti.ihk the recollection of the House that the Government had ett.ftel - -iil. - ' - the o ..see words from Lord KENYON, introduced a Bill for the disfranchisement of Lord CO trI'ENIIAM • said he had no hope uela t itting borough of Sudbury on account of bribery. He hit Bill pia wee! this session , but he had done a& 'dr' his w . hcl t sit if it true tha t, t...th recent ejection is e oa. was a e .. .- .. Messengers from the Commons brought up the Parishes (Scotland) and other Bills. The LORD CHANCiLLOR laid on the table a Bill for securing the better administration of charitable trusts in England and Wales. Their Lordships then adjourned at Half-past Nine. IRISH LINEN. Mr. GLADSTONE moved that the Committee on the Linen Manuf“etnres (Ireland) Bill be postponed till a future day, which tiro agreed to. ISLE OF MAN. , Oa tne motion of the same RIGHT HON. GENTLEMAN. the house resolved itself, pro forma, into Committee on the Customs' Duty (Isle of Man) Bill, when several amendments were moved, and ordered to be printed. COPYIIOLDS BILL. On the motion of Mr. HOPE, the Committee on the Copyholds' Enfranchisement Bill was postponed till a future day. Sir WILLIAM ITEATTICOTE presented several petitions from Hampshire, in favour of agricultural pro tection ; and a petition from Basingstoke against the clauses in the Bank Charter Bill, restricting country bankers' issues. G A 111E-LANVI. Mr. ESTCOTT gave notice that it was his intention at an early period next session to move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the laws relating to the preservation of game. g rL g THE FAROE ISLANDS' of T r • The vi -it, l as t wee k , of Frederick, Croen - 2-I nce Denmark. t o our Highland tepltel, firms ,„r r e interesting ev ent . I t was eot merely the n" ye ffa hle such an occurrence, or the high rank and thL a e !manners of the Danish Prince and his suite : there manners of the Dan i-h Prince and his suite e s.anething of kindrjd feeling experienced as ' br e; corned these strangers of Northern origin to our s cr f r o ! and to this were 'fl'elded the reflections springiteeg the contrast aff or d e d b y t h e i r present friendly gr':oent and mutu a l sympat h y to the recollection of those a n , to e warlike incu rs i ons o f the Danes, of which so man) ' Qab a j o ods. ditions are s till r if e t h roughout the northern Il i , '• On almost every headland along the coast- 1 % 0 1 tered cairns an d R un i c columns—and in s s es, de crags and wa t c hi ng - stones 'overlooking th e ° ro are memorials of the struggles of those 01 Scandinavian warriors—the intrepid sea-king s i wee pirates, whose ships covered the ocean, anclf bravery subju ga t e d even the throne and peoPl. e ° p r ise' land. We are not sure whether the last Danish of t he seen in this country, prev i ous to the recent visit °f heir appare n t, was not Sweno, th e Ki n g of v l 441 11 awl Norway, i n t h e e l eventh cervulT, v‘kose ue. h Macbeth an d B anquo furnished matter for nl%O tien a l t r i ump h , and to commemorate which, the igtace pillar at Forres—" Sweno's Stone"—is supposed t r ° t ee's, been erected. Through the mist of years, as ° c° l 'es' these sceptred shades are seen but indistinctl_no dimly, yet as we catch a glimpse we see thew oe ca fo r,4 always in hattle." In our own days we saw r r iace occupied in battle willi England. There also "the, 00 0 of all the land led them on," but it is infinitely to cheering, in these better days, to see the' tIPI of Denmark lead on his friends to witness and triumphs of ar t an d sc i ence, and to cultivate se el .. tte friendly con nec ti on w i th a people who were nif,"; bray st and most d etermined of their foes. "fertt6 tainiy- owe something t o D enmark, in atonement to " of dietructie n o f h er fl eet, and separating Norway f r , ° of dominions. J uster pr i nc i ples and better feeliasi' The prevail, and past differences seem all forgotten• to present Crown Prince appears most anxiou s ond strengthen th e connection between Great Britain .e o .es Denmark, and hi s Ambassador, Coant Reverelo Iv highly intelligent and amiable man—is impressed i 5 experienced the same sentiment. The flattering reception theY ri d experienced in this country appears to be highly ci c e3 by all the party, and no farewell cheers were ev er t"ich with more sincerity or good w i s h es t h an t hose i. s od were interchanged when th e strangers left the sli °- Scotland. to One object of the Prince, as has been stated, ` c • - t he inspect the F aroe Islands, and as thi s p o rtion () i t t he possessions of Denmark possesses some interest a dr present moment, and is little heard of, we subjoitalAi, scription of it from the new edition of the "Encynler - Britannica":— an s ' " Faroe., Faroer, or Fero?, a group of Europeani se ,i s od situated in the Northern Ocean, between Zetlan", - t he Iceland, about two hundred miles north-west °f farmer. They appear to form the country acre of by the early Venetian navigators under the main bi Friesland, though that term was afterwards aPP"' t the English to the northern extremity of Green u ' a t be These islands are twenty-two in number, of whj e ",,i o e. principal are Stromoe, Osteroe, Wangoe, and to They consist throughout of rocks and hills, ris' e a e r a considerable height, and separated from ev i l ! ° I ;oc• by narrow valleys, or rather ravines. Although' b e lt ever, these hills rise abruptly, there are often on, t•'. o f summits, or at different stages of their ascent, P la ,T to considerable magnitude. They everywnere pre s P - f or the sea perpendicular cliffs, broken into a thousand tastic forms, and which, to those who sail along the ed present at every turn the most picturesque and eßr the scenery. The highest peak is that of SkellingrelL ) 00 island of St romoe, wh i ch is supposed to rise about 3,1. feet abo ve t h e sea. The rocks consist generally of t t r i : o f and exhibit little variety of composition, though ie present so me str iki ng geological phenomena. The jieed liter and chal ce d on i es here collected have long suPP. of the best. specimens of these minerals to the cabinet s Europe. to " The pop u l a ti on of the Faro e I s l an d s, according opg, statistical table d rawn up i n 1812, amounted to ~'•"or Agricult ure i s i n a very imperfect state, the infiehit'A or cultivated l an d, b e i ng supposed to bear to the outfie7rbe uncultivated, the proportion of one to sixty. 0 plough is scarc e ly ever used, being in fact ill-suite ds the rugged and uneven surface of which all the i 5 ,141 consist. The ground is therefore turned up wit h t he spade, care being taken not to destroy the roots the grass. Horses and cows are few in number, tin" "of latter give very little milk, in consequence, probabitt the very coarse hay upon which they are fed. s " e ber form the chief riches of the islanders, and the nu ra ; n 7 possessed by them was calculated in 1812 at 35 ,;;; ; I: Some individuals have flocks of two or three bio.," These sheep are allowed to run about, th in summer and winter, without ever being h ou- ar and in severe seasons they suffer c onsiderah The wool i s generally coarse, and is torn off t.jel animal in s o roug h a manner, as often to lacerate skin. The fishery which was once considerable, has neglected, and is now of little consequence. The e t° ing of th e numerous b irds which build their nests Illic;a the face of the cliffs, form a great source of subsiste r ''' : • _, to the inh a bit ants. T hose persons employed in this lia zardous trad e di sp l ay great ingenuity, and the most "- A venturous spirit. S omet i mes the fowler is let down • the top of the cliff, by a r o p e f astened to his waist; he t o other times, wh ere th ere i s any footing at all, he cu hille the st ee p es t roc k s; or, where that is impossible, r; himself thrust u p b y po l es made for the pipose. f puffin (Aka Arctica) i s th e most common of these te R , and the eider duck is here often shot for food. " The Danish Government has given the monopolY a t the trade of th e F aroe Islands to a mercantile house.a. Copenhage n , un d er the condition of supplying the >., habitants with a su ffi c i ent quantity of grain at c°ll.: stant fixed p r i ce . Sh ould the market price be such 8' to render thi s a l os i ng transaction, the merchant is La: demnified by Government. The care of p rov i s i o ning the island i s probably su p er fl uous; and the natural bad effec t' of a monopoly are felt in the high price of other ported articl es , a good jacket being often given fors Q few leaves o f to b acco. The exports consist of hose 1 0 ' I. on the islands, to the annual amount of 100,000 pairs' tallow, fish, train oil, f eat h er, skins, and butter. Dur''n' the war bet ween B r i ta i n and Denmark, the fort of TO r .; • shaun w as , i n 18 08, destroyed by Captain Baugh, lest' should aff or d h ar b our to privateers. A German a"; venturer, who assume d the name of Baron HoraPeacr • h p afterwards l an d e d and plundered the lace ; but -15 conduct was disa vowe d b y the British Government, ve" ° even restored the value of the proper of which the 9 r . tires had be en ro bb e d . Finding, also, that the peq` er ; having lost their communication with Denmark, w ere i• danger of s u ff er i ng f rom famine, Britain permitted a 'r mited intercourse to be carried on, under license, fr °11 1 ;1 1 Leith; but the p eace restored all things to their usr-I channel. manner he could proceed to introduce the clause he pro posed to s u b s tit ute f ur clause 3? Mr. GREENE said the Noble L or d must first move that the clause, as it be negatived, and th-'n pro pose his own instead of it. Lord ASHLEY- feared, if that was the case, that he should be prevented from bringing on his clause that night, as did not wish to give the Committee the trouble of dividing against the clause. The substitution he had intended to make was int ant to restore the clause to the state in which it was when it was read a third time by the House of Lords, by which the Lord Chan cellor was enabled to sever that portion of the property of a chapel which had been given by :he f•riginal en dowment and that which had been actjoired by the outlay of the congregation themselves. should not, however, press his amendment. Mr. SHAW objected to the third clause that it intro duced an entirely new principle into legislation, that of putting an end, by enactment, to pending suits. The SOLICITOR -GENERAL denied that there was the least injustice in doing so, air... the cases of the E us t ace - street and Strand-street Chapels, Dublin. These suits were instituted by parties who had no interest whatever in the question, who did not proceed by Bill, but by relation, through the Attorney-General, and the only result was that the endowment was ruined. All that the parties could get by the success of their suits was secured to them by the clause, which gave them all their costs. Mr. SIIAW was not personally acquainted with the facts of these two cases; but he believed that in one of them the parties proceeding against the chapel were nut strangers. The SOLICITOR -GENERAL would ask them why they did not proceed by Bill, as parties interested would do, instead of by relation, through the Attorney-General? Lord ASHLEY said that the case of the Strand -street Chapel had this particular feature, that the Lord Chan cellor of Ireland had given his judgment on it, and only reserved his decree, not because he had any doubt, but that he might average the terms of it. He decided that the endowment must belong to the Presbyter4tn.. The SOLICITOR -GENERAL said the Eustace . street Chapel was much the strongest case, because the Lord Chancellor said he had evidence before him that Unitarian doctrines had been preached in that chapel for 77 years,--(llear, hear.) . If they gave the parties their costs, he could not see any reasonable ground of complaint. Mr. GODSON said the clause was not without pre cedent. A similar enactment had been passed to protect non-resident ministers of the Church of England against certain actions with which they were threatened. The clause was then agreed to, the House resumed, the report was brought up, and ordered to be received on Monday. POOR -LAW BILL. The Committee on the Poor-law Bill was fixed for Friday next. The County Rates Bill was read a third time and passed. " Thorshaun, the principal place in the country. d , oe s s b not contain ab ove 5 20 i nhabitants. It is situated on narrow tongue eastern coast of th e I s l and of Stromoe, upon a parr:- tongue of l an d, having creeks on each side, where s„ 1 1 9 , may be saf e ly moored. The ho uses were built of ~ and roofed with birch bark covered with turf, the gr e ;i s .. ness of whi c h ma k es i t impossible, at a very short tance, to di s ti ngu i s h the place from the sorrounclhiej fields. Th e c h aracter of the people is generally toar'i by great si m pli c i ty o f manners, kindness, and hose tality."—lttverness Courier. 0 GIGANTIC NUTCRACKERS.—The other day , ill t i h n e se ir rt n e u d ts a . with a huge tower, was accustomed to rock' to and ' and that the lads, watching their opportunity, P, °l l, l a. The truth of our statement was doubted—(for w d is there that some people will not doubt ?)Vane; r obliged to remain silent under the suspicions of t risto o l ld b° : s f ; '.l4 sceptical. But we have now to state, on our own kt ) °,. ° pa o ra u g r ra s h to , r s y ho w w a i s n_g t h h o a w t a th r e ick ß e the "good old times," were in the habit of crack , their nuts into the opening fissures of the wall , ,:a f snatched them out again when they were craes• e h o as we had the fact only on hearsay, we w er e ledge, that even the old church has been outdo s . a pair ofnutcrackers having been introduced into Gates head, head, weighing not less than twenty tons, and 11 ' 1 :a .k . a .. by a steam-engine of tifty-horse power ! ! These I n il d, crackers we saw atwork this week, at Messrs. Hawks li c „ Crawshay's iron-works ; for when Mr. Nasmith 1v 5 1,' 1 ," 0 hibiting the powcrs of his " direct -action hammer , • concludfd it s p er f ormances with cracking nuts ! Pluel ng a nut on th e anv il . he dropped the huge hammer, weq; b r .lu st ing thr ee t ons and a holt; so gently down, that it i cracked the sh e ll — an d then, under the potent sway :. steam, rose to it 3 previous position ! A nicer illust to r tion of i ts o b e di ence to the hand of the workman co not have been afforded.—Gatesbead Observer. _.....„ .--- BIRTHS. On the 19th inst., at Cam pden-hill, Lady Caroline Lave of a daugl: tar. On the 20th ult., at Golden square,' the wife of l• Bowman. Esq., of a daughter. On the 17th i nst., at Roydon Hall, Kent, the lady 0' Cook, I4:sq., of a daughter. On the 19th last., at Stoke Newington, the wife of T llol°9 Hitchcock, Esq., of Week, near Winche s t er , o f a of 'IOU. the 19th in s t., the lady of H. B. Wilkinson, r-'54" Grosvenor-place, Camberwell New-road, of a daughter.___., On the 15th MARRIED. of April, at Bombay, John R. Miller, Esq,,": M.D., Assistant-Surgeon, Guserat Irrer Horse, to 313 .1;',' Elizabeth, daughter of Robert NasmytEsq., Fellow of ' Royal College of Surgeons, Edinburgh. On the 18th inst., at St. Martin's-in-the• Fields, g e ",,,1 Thomas Gardner, E sq ., o f t h e S trand, to Amelia, You' l l 41— daughter of E. J. Dent, Esq., of the Strand. On the 18th inst., at Milton, Kent, Captain Archibald:PO lc ' of the 29th Bengal Native Infantry, son of the late, clisti-ei guished traveller, M ungo P ark, to R achel Anne, dr,aghte ' t ° Adam Park, Esq. ~ the On the 20th inst., at St . G eorge's, Hanov er-sqll , —;-1 n i Rev. George H enr y P arminter, of Trinity College, ‘1,,,,,61-1; bridge, to Honn or , youngest daughter of the. late J. Frav' - Williams, Esq. . , - THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE 22, 1644, SUGAR D. Mr. GREENE brought up U the TIES report on the sugar duties. EWART said that, in the absence of the Hon. Member for Montrose, who, nut being able to attend himself, had requested him to embody the motion of which h , had given notice, he begged to move that slave and free labour sugar might be admitted into this country on the .payment of equal duty. Ile (Mr. Ewart) objected to the Bill of the Government, because it was uncertain, and the merchants of the country would not know how to act under it. He also ob jectecl to the Bill, because it left a discre tionary power in the hands of the Government. They lad in vain endeavoured to put down the slave trade, by means of gun-boats and of treaties with foreign States. Si r Th omas P owell Buxton, and, in fact, nearly - all persons who had written on the subject, acknowleged the inefficiency of such proceedings. With , whatever object the Bill might have been framod, it was based on false principles. Such, briefly, were the reasons which led him to bring this subject before the House. He called on the Government to adopt one of two alternatives--either to define on what terms they intended to admit foreign free-labour sugar, or at once to admit foreign slave-labour sugar. The ques tion was not one of party, but strictly one of principle, and as such lie entreated the House to consider it. He begged leave, therefore, to move—f' That slave and free Labour sugar be admitted upon the payment of equal duties." Mr. JAMES said he deeply regretted that the Hon. Member fbr Montrose, who had put this notice upon the paper,was prevented by domestic affairs from a ttending in his plaice that evening. Thepresent motion wasueither more nor less than the motion which had been brought for ward on a former occasion and had been then disposed of: And how did the Hon. Member for Montrose speak and vote upon that occasion ? Why lie spoke against it, and he voted against it. He said it was impossible for the West India colonies to compete with the foreign growers of sugar, tied up as th e y were. If any thing, then, could astonish him (Mr. James) at his time of life, and after all he had seen, it was to find that Hon. Member putting on the paper such a notice as this. He recommended the adopting measures that should insure a supply of • free labour to the West India colo nies, [rid suggested that the Government should afford the planters a supply of convict labour. Many parts of the colonies were healthy; the expense of the transport would be less while the punishment would be greater. He stated that convict labour was thus employed in Bermuda. He could not support the motion, and de nouncei it as unjust. Mr. BARCLA Y said it was impossible for the colony to prosper till this question was finally settled, and he hoped the present arrangemeht would he definitive for a great number of years. As long as they were exposed to th ese harrassing discussions, capital would be prevented from going into the colonies. The House then divided, and the numbers were— For receiving the report For Mr. Ewart's amendment Majority for Ministers —llB Lord J. RUSSELL wished to know when the Right Iron. Baronet intended to proceed with the Bill. Sir R. PEEL said, in case there should be a disposi tion to enter into a lengthened discussion upon the Bill on Monday, he proposed that the Bank Charter Bill should have precedence on that day, and that the further con sideration of the sugar duties should be postponed till Thursday. He would name Monday for the third read ing of the Bill with that understanding. The report was then received, and the Bill was or dered to be engrossed, and read a third time on Monday. MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. Messengers from the Lords brought down certain Bills. DISSENTERS' CHAPELS BILL. On the motion that the order of the day for the House resolving itself into Committee on the Dissenters' Cha pels Bill being read, Mr. NVARBLIRTON presented a petition from the Mayor and Corporation of Kendal in favour of the Bill. Mr. PLUMPTRE had clung to the hope that her Ma jesty's Ministers would have given up this Bill. He be held the progress of this Bill with the deepest pain. He had hoped that what had taken place out of the House would have induced them to withdraw this Bill. The petitions against the Bill had received 330,000 signa• tures, and the petitioners comprised members of the Church Establishment, Wesleyan Methodists, and all classes of orthodox Dissenters. He considered the Bill as of no ordinary nature, and was surprised that it had received the sanction of her Majet.ty's Government. A large body of their general supporters had opposed them on the last occasion. If the Government had depended entirely on •their general supporters, he doubted if they would have carried their measure. If a measure of this kind had been proposed by the Noble Lord opposite when he occuph d the Treasury benches, it would have met with the strenuous and the united opposition of the Gentlemen who then occupied the Opposition benches:---- (Loud Opposition cheers.) The appropriation clause of the Irish Church Bill was absolute honesty—(Renewed Opposition cheers)--he repe:.ted it, absolute honesty, and perfect purity compared wiih this treasure. To withdraw means from the Church of Ireland, and apply them to the purposes of the general education o f t h e people of Ireland, wa absolute honesty compared with a measure which would apply funds, left for a religious purpose, to a purpose of a totally different nature. The Attorney-General had Fah' that the Bill was not well understood. • Now, although the people could not follow a lawyer through all his legal subtleties, yet they tho roughly understood that the object of the measure was to legalise a violation of a sacred trust, and to operate practically in favour of a class of men whose opinions were held by the great majority of the Christians of this country to be an awful and a fatal heresy. The Right Hon. Gentleman said that, although a considerable feel ing existed at present on the subject, he trusted that that feeling would soon subside. He could assure the Right Hon. Gentleman that the wound inflicted by this Bill was not a superficial one ' • it was deeply an d k een l y felt, and wou ld not b e soon healed. The Right Hon. Member for Dungarvon had said that they now wished to hunt Socinians as formerly they had hunted Papists. There was no hunting of Socinians or Papists now; but it was one thing to hunt a Socinian, and another to endow and establish him. The most offensive part of the Bill was, that it went to the vitals of our Christian constitution. He should not have spoke thus if he had not felt the matter most acutely. The majority of the Christian community of this country regarded a measure like this, for the endowment of the Socinians, as a withdrawing of the keystone from the arch of Chris tianity. The Right Hon. Gentleman who had succeeded him when the subject was last under discussion, had 11, t v a bo kiteilen dto occasion to ru n hi m d own. He knew he was not h ncompeteest l with ig w t e h v e er li f ig e h e t bl l y l r i G w e a n y t s lem e xpanr,esbsut his for Abingdon, the newly-elected Member had at his chairing distributed 501. among the crowd from a bag of money in his lap ? The following account of the chairing had appeared in the newspapers. (Here the Honourable Gentleman commenced read ing a description of the chairing of the Solicitor- General: It stated that the procession started from the Town Flail, which consisted of a brass hand, with twenty pensioners. The Solicitor-General sat in a chair ornamented with flowers and ribbons ; the chairing of a Member was considered important, for it was customary for the gentlemen who were elected to take a bag of silvt r money with them, which they distributed among the crowd. One gentleman, Mr. Mabberley, distributed 1201. in this way, Mr. Duffield not more than 701.—(A laugh)—and the Learned Solici tor-General threw away but 50/. It was amusing to see the old women holding out their aprons to receive the money which the Hon. and Learned Member, like an elegant gentleman as he was, threw away.--(A laugh.) There was a great deal of scrambling, scratching, shout ing, and fighting, such a scene took place as bugled all description, and thus terminated the Abingdon electio?.) —(Much laughter.) He (Mr. Christie) bmievel that the words of the late Act of Parliament did not apply to the custom of " scramble -money," but one could see that with a little arrangement it could be converted to the purpose of direct bribery. It could Lot, at all events, tend to exalt the purity of election ; and he therefore begged to ask the Hon. and Learned Gentle man, whether it was true or false that he contributed, in the manner he had just described, to promote the purity of Parliamentary election ?—(tlear, hear.) The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that a very in correct and, he believed, irregular practice had been intro duced into that House of putting questions not relating to matters before the House, or with regard to Bills with which Members might be charged, but upon matters wholly foreign to it, and occurring in a diffierent place, and which might excite the curio: ity of Hon. Alembers. The lion. and Learned Gentleman, it was true, gave him notice of his intention to put this question so long ago as yesterday week, but circumstances prevented him (the Solicitor-General) being in his place at the time for asking questions. He had, however, hoped that the opportunity afforded the Honourable and Learned Gentleman in the interval for reflection, would induce him to consider what extreme impropriety there was—(Oh, oh !)—in putting a question of this description. He certainly should not give sanction to the practice which had been introduced ; and, therefore, he begged leave most distinctly, at the same time with out any want of respect for the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman, to decline answering such a question. • Mr. CHRISTIE said that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman could take what course he liked, either to j answer or not the question which he had put ; but he put it to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman as a Mem, ber of her Majesty's Government, which brought in a Bill to disfranchise Sudbury.—(Cheers.) COMMONS' INCLOSURE BILL. In answer to a question from Lord J. MANNERS, respecting the Commons' Inclosure Bill, The Earl of LINCOLN said that it was not true that the Government had taken charge of the Bill. On Monday, probably, he would be able to state what were the intentions of the Government with regard to it, as he intended before then to have an interview on - the subject with the Noble Lord who introduced it. NATIONAL EDUCATION IN IRELAND. SEEIL wished to know from the Right Hop. Baronet at the head of the Government whether he had given any directions to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland with regard to the distribution of the patronage of the Church with regard to education. Sir R. PEEL said he did not know upon what the ques tion of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was founded, and - what he stated to the Lord Lieutenant of Ire land was that he was desirous that the patronage of the Irish Church should be appropriated to those who hacl the best claims on the ground of professional merit and 4haracter, and that he hoped he should never hear a wor• t xespectino-a any appoint men t on po li t i cal grounds. He 6 , mve tits cordial approbation to thesystem ofNational schools, but it was untrue that he desired the Lord Lieutenant to require any test on the subject of education. He would again caution Honourable Gentlemen not to place implicit credit in reports which appeared in news papera.—(llear, hear.) Mr. ESCOVP hoped it would be allowed to go into Committee; and he hoped, also, that no alteration would then be made in it that would injure its operation. He did not think the Government was deserving of all the praise that had Ip.An givm to it for its disinterestedness in bringing in this Bill, for it was calculated greatly to increase the powrr of the Government. Mr. PLUMPTBE, after the expression:of opinion on the part of the House, would not press his motion to a division. The motion being withdrawn, the House went into Committee on the Bill, Mr. GREENE in the chair. On clause 1 being proposed, Mr. HARDY said the great body of the Dissenters were against the Bill, and he therefore objected to the terms of the preamble. . Mr. BERNAL said that the preamble had been post pencil; they were then on the first clause. Mr. HARDY had the same objection to the enacting part of the first clause, and proposed that the words, "-being Unitarian Dissenters," should be inserted. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said the lion. Mem ber totally misunderstood the nature of the clause. It was necessary' for the protection of all classes of Dis senters. During the greater part or the last century all Dissent was illegal in ll•nglard, and till a later period in Ireland. If any question should arise‘as to the founda tion of a chapel established during that period, the Chancellor would be obliged to decide that the ndow ment must be taken from those who held it, and given to a form of .worship legal at the time. As this was intended to be a measure of justice to all, if the amend ment of his Hon. Friend were passed, it would defeat the very object of the Bill, and be should, therefore, oppose it. The amendment was withdrawn. The clause was then agreed to. . On clause 2 being propo:A4d, Me. S. WORTLEY said he felt great objection against throwing the .protection of Parliament-over those cases where there was not merely a change of dectrine, but where there was a clear misappropriation of the trust funds, alinost amounting to a fraud. He should, there fore, be anxious to know what was the precise awe of the words in the clause relating to this point. lle looked Ilion this lustier as a question of law and property, and net as a religious one. Mr. SHAW proposed the following amendment : " Providing that, where the particular religious doc trines or opinions appeared in documents contempora neous with the endowment, and preserved amongst the authentic records of the congregation, the usage should_ not be taken as evidence contradictory of such docu ments." He made this amendment in order to meet the ease of the Presbyterians of the Synod of Ulster. The Bill did not apply to cases where deeds exhted, or to ea-es where documents as good as deeds exis:ed. Under this last principle the Wesleyan Methodists were ex empted from the operation of the Bill. The Presbyte- Hans of the Synod of Ulster had nt - lt deeds, but they had decuments. which were as good evidence as deeds. The I iSymod of 'Ulster had existed tim 200 years. From 1691 they, had public r; cords of their proceedings, and they were int the nature of courts of justice. They held the discipline, of the Church of England. They were.a sort of quasi ()Lurch Establishment in Ulster from that time ti.) the pre sent ; and they had records setting forth the it reli gious doctrines as indisputable, and as satisfactory in the way of evidence as any records cou'd be. In the report of a law case which he held in his hand, those records were received as evidence. The Presby terians of the Synod of Ulster required subscription to particular doctrines, and on this ground he claimed exemp tion for them. In 1698 it was moved and carried in the Synod, at Antrim, that Scung men when licensed to preach should be obli ge d to su b scri b e their confession of I faith. A similar condition was repeated in 1705. When the Toleration Act was passed in 1716, it became a question with the Synod of Ulster on what terms it should be accepted, and the subscription to the West-. minster Confession of Faith was still retained. From the earliest period down to the present time there was no difficulty in ascertaining what were the doctrines of the Synod of Ulster ; and to those doctrines every minister was required to subscribe. It was a monstrous • thing to tell the Synod of Ulster, as they did by this Bill, that the whole of its property would be placed in danger. There were only 82 deeds amongst 500 congregations ; sentiments sentiments which did not pass merely from the lips, but which he felt in leis.heart. , lin.knew it was now in vain to appeal to her Majesty's Govern • silent ; but if there were any there who would make a motion on the subject, h e wou l d most willingly join them in opposing the measure ; but he would not make any motion. Lord J. RUSSELL said he would state in a few words the error in which he thought the Hon. Gentleman, whom he believed to be perfectly sincere in his opinion, was involved. He had received several communications from his censtituents, saying they would withdraw their support from him if he supported the Bill. Now, he could not but think that the Hon. Gentleman, and others out of doors, had mixed up two questions which ought to be kept separate.—(Loud cheers) They laid stress on the religious opinions of the Unitarians, but then they might to accept them as they were accepted by the Act of Toleration. If the Unitarians were to have the benefit of the Act of Toleration they ought :to be treated on the same footing as the ether Dissenters.— (Hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman did not think so; but if' that were the case their legislation should be in conformity with it, and they ought to make laws to dis courage the Unitarians. He should call that religious • pe.rseention—(lfeer, hear.)—but then their legislation would be direct. As to the question of property, that ' question had been fully argued, aryl he Itel had no an swer to the objection that they could not ascertain to whom these trusts were to be given, if taken from the Unitarians. lie was of Opinion filet there should be some limit as to time where there was such a variation in religions opinions as t h er e was amongst the D4sen tiers, aho were not bound together by an establishment. The utmost that could be done was to let such property fall to the ground. Though by law toleration was not given to the Unitarians until 1813, yet, fir practical pur poses, toleration had existed for the last century. And if such cases had come forward in the time of Sir R. Walpole, end Lord Chatham, it never would have beea permitted that such persons should be divested of their property. He must say that he never was more tho roughly convinced that a Bill was necessary than at present. It was only right that impartial justice should be done to all classes of their fellow-subjects, without any reference to their religious tenets, and he would give the measure his entire and cordial support.—(Cheers.) Sir R. PEEL said, it grieved him very much that his Hon. Friend behind h:m could have supposed for a mo ment that recent circumstances could have had anything whatever to do with the present question. fie as,ured his Hon. Friend that nothing that had occurred would induce him to vary the Opinions he had formerly enter tained and expressed, and the able arguments which had • been advanced pro and eon. on the late discussion only seemed to confirm him in the truth of his opinions as to the rectitude and necessity of the Bill. He should consi der it disgraceful in a Government to withdraw a Biil under such circumstances. It had been rightly said that the Government could have no partyinterest in bringing , forward the measure, and that they were wholly influ enced by better motives. The Government gave no assent by their advocacy of the Bill to any particular class of religious opinions. It was a question is faith, but of property—(llear, hear)—and, if Parna ment did not interfere, there would be a general crusade against those holding that property. The Bill was in troduced for the sake of religious peace and concord, and to quiet long-established possession, and prevent litigation. Mr. SHAW believed the first clause of the Bill was founded en justice, but thought the second clause most unjust in its nature, and would move an amendment to it in Committee. He thought the Synod of Ulster ought to he excluded from the operation of that clause. Ile had been informed, that the Hon. and Learned Member for Worcester (Sergeant Wilde) had been in structed by a large and influential body of Presbyterians to oppose the Bid, and did not signify his. intention of declining to give that opposition until the very night before the Bill was introduced. A large body of' Pres byterians in both countries were opposed to the Bill; Mr. PLUMPTRE explained. Sergeant MURPHY defended the conduct of the lion. Member for Worcester. His declining to oppose the Bill was the very best proof of its utility. He thought the measure both just and necessary. Mr. DARBY said his objection to this Bill was to be found in the fact that it excluded evidence with respect to one class of pe=rsons, and admittf dit with respect to other classes. As to the suggestion of the Right Hon. Recorder of Dublin (Mr. Shaw), to extend the period of adverse possession to sixty years, what was that but ad mitting the principle of the Bill ? Colonel SIBTHOIip said the Hon. Gentleman 'near him (Mr. Plumptre) was the proper person to decide whether or not he would yield to the suggestion which had been inaile, and withdraw his amendment. If, how ever, he persisted in pressing it to a division, it should have his most cordial support. Mr. cor..LErr said he should give his support to the Bill, because he thought religion was a matter between man and his Maker, and with which no human power had any right to interfere. Sir W. JAMES said the second clause of the Bill was the clenching clause in his mind, and if the Right lion. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) would consent to withdraw it, he should then have his support to the other portions of the Bill. A prescription as to property was one thing, and could be established ; but a prescription as to doctrine was another, and not capable of proper regulation. The Bill, in his opinion, was calculated to increase rather than-to diminish litigation. Mr. WARD said, if the second clause were omitted, then the Bill itself might as well be withdrawn, for in that clause was its virtue. It seemed to be forgotten that the object of the Mil, was to put a stop to litigation, and not to regulate articles of faith. He supported it entirely from an impression of its justice, and not on political or on religious grounds. It was a Bill, in his opinion, that did infinite credit to the Government. Mr. LAWSON said he should oppose the Bill; but in doing so he begged it to be understood that he was not moved to that course by religious hostility, but merely by legal grounds. Colonel VERNER considered the Bill to been • great injustice ; if Members had understood its true cha racter, there would have been a great majority against it. He regretted whenever he was compeded to vote against the Right Hon. Baronet, but, on this occasion, he felt it his duty to do so. Mr. M. PHILIPS said the Bill was a measure of smple justice and equity. He d'd not believe that Chris tian toleration and charity would be at all proMoted by allowing the law to wrest the chapels (corn those who now held them. He should give his support to the mea sure, and tendered his thanks to her Majesty's Govern ment for having risen superior to the influences that might have been brought to bear on it. Mr. STUART WOWI'LEY thought the Bill might safely be allowed to go into Committee; it had been very fully discussed, and the whole force of the Bill was contained in one clause, and that would be discussed in the Committee. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the Committee divided, when there appeared— For Mr. Shaw's amendment .... 43 Against it Majority against the amendment -118 On our roadmission to the gallery, we found Mr SHAW on his legs, proposing that sixty years should be the term of usage required, instead of twenty fire years, as originally proposed. Sixty years was the limitation in cases of advowsons. Five-and• twenty years would be no protecti,n at all, and would encourage deceit on the part of those who wished to get po.ses sion of those chape!s for Unitarian purposes. He there fore moved that the word sixty be substituted for the words twenty-five. Mr. HARDY said that th e on l y usage with respect to the doctrines of Dissenters was the usage of the minis ter. The only usage of the congregation was to sit down at the sermon and to stand up at the prayers. The only evidence as to doctrine was the evidence of the minister, and as his ministry Might extend over a longer period than twenty-five years, he thou g ht th ey ought to adopt the proposal of sixty years. Colonel SIBTTIORP was against the Bill altogetl er. 1 The term of 25 y ears was then agreedto witho u t a division. . Lord JOCELYN moved, that instead of the words "my suits relating to such meeting-house," the words " the passing of this Act" be substituted. After a few words from the SOLICITOR-GENERAL, he withdrew his amendment. Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN wished to know the meaning of the a ords " usage of the coneTegation?" The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the object of the clause was, that where a particular religious congre gation had been in the habit of listening to certain doc trines, that usage should be evidence of the usage of the congregation. Mr. COLQUIIOUN would like to have the opinion of the Law-officers of the Crown as to what would he the effect of this clause in such a case as the ease of Frost street Chapel. Mr. Motterhead had been the minister of that chapel for forty years, When , first appointed he held high Calvinisticidoetrines, he subsequently became an he Aresu rianm, d h and then ag a i n , t owards the close _ of his life, eis Calvinistic doctrines. Now, in the case of Mr. Motterhead, hawished to know what was the usage of the congregation ? Ile wished to know what view her Majesty's Government to k of cases like Mr. Motter head's, and what course they intended to pursue under such circumstances ? The SOLICITOR -GENERAL wished to know al .e -ther Mr. Motterhead had, for twenty-five years, held the same religious opinions?—(Laughter.) Sir R. PEEL said the opinions of Lord Eldon and t.f the present .Lerd Chancellor of Ireland were, that when religious trusts were created, a hich became doubtful in course of time, the title should be decided by the usagcs of the congregation. Mr. HARDY proposed as an amendment that the fol lowing words should be added to the end of the clause:— " Shall, nevertheless, be applied for such purposes and promoting such doctrines as are expressed in the deed, or instrument." Mr. CARDIVF,LL made some suggestions, which The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he would take time to consider. The Committee then divided, when there appeared — For th e c l ause as it stands ......... 188 For the amendment .................. 62 Majority for the clause ...... —126 Lord ASHLEY inquired of the Chairman in what but there could be no question (1.3 to the right of property. They did not wish to - take away property from the Unitarians which properly belonged to them ; but this Bill afforded an encouragement to a change of doctrine.—(Hear, hear.) He could not conceive it pos sible that her Majesty's Government intended to shake the foundations of the property of the Synod of Ulster. It was not intended by the Unitarians of Ireland that the f 'tinders of these chapels held the same opinions as them selves; they admitted that the change had been gradual. The measure would render it necessary for the Synod of Ulster to bring actions a henever they suspected that a minister was preaching erroneous doctrine. That he con ceived would be a very great hardship to a body which was by no means rich. The Hon. and Learned Mem ber concluded by proposing to insert the following words to limit the operation of the Bill Or where no parti cular religious doctrines or opinions are contained in any book or other documents preserved amongst the authen tic records of any recognised synod or religious body, concerning the congregation frequenting such meeting houses." The SOLICITOR -GENERAL said he must object to the insertien of these words, and he could not conceive any words which, meeting t.e Right I - lon. Gentleman's object, would be consistent with the spirit of the Bill.-- (1-lear hear.) Wh a t th e G overnment proposed was, that wherever there was any deed, will, or instrument, in which the intention of the founder was expressly de - clared, or which referred to documents or basks con taining certain doctrines, in such cases the a ill of the founder should be inviolably observed to the end of tune; no one was to interfere with the original intention of the trust.' But the Right Hon. Gentleman now pro posed to enlarge the exception to an extent which would involve great injustice. The Committee would observe, in the first place, that it was very difficult to construe the expression " authentic records."—(Hear, hear.) Who was to say what were authentic records ? -Mr. F. SHAW —The count which tries the case. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL continued—What means would the court have of ascertaining what were regarded by the congregation as authentic records ? There was no reference here to the will of the founder. Any document which was found among t the "authentic record," was to be taken as expressive of the religious doctrines which were maintained at a particular period. According to the proposal of his Right Hon. Friend, although the intention of the founder might have entirely differed from the documents contained in the " authentic records ;" yet the insertion of the document amongst the "authentic records" was to be conclusive evidence of the religious doctrines of the congregation at that particular period.—(Hear, hear.) If these words were inserted, or any equivalent words, which would reach the object of his Right Hon. Friend, they would produce th e most monstrous injustice.—(Hear, hear.) He would take the case of the Synod of Ulster. The Right Hon. Gentleman said, that that existed for 200 years. The first document which was found among its "authentic records" was of the date of 1698. Mr. F. SHAW --1691. The SOLICITOR -GENERAL said, he would give of of the Right Ilou. Gentleman the seven years. Now, this - document was no evidence as to the intention of the founder, because the Synod of Ulster existed before the year 1691. He might take for granted that the Right Hon. Gentleman had no document containing any information as to the intentions of the founder with regard to the particular religious doctrines to be preached to the congregation. The Right Hon. Gentleman, therefore, proposed to take the docurrient which contained no evidence as to the intentions of the founder, and to apply that document as a proof of the religious doctrines which prevailed in par ticular congregations. He believed that in the year 1726 several congregationsejeceded from the Synod of Ulster, to and forme-] themselves into the Presbytery of Antrim. Frorrethat year Unitarian doctrines had been preached in those churches, and in many cases new churches had been built; and until this'time the idea of stripping them of these meeting-houses had never been mooted ; yet the Right Hon. Baronet said, " You pro pose by this Bill to take from the Synod of Ulster their property." If his Right Hon. Friend could get the words he proposed inserted in that clause the effect would he that the Synod of Ulster would be enabled to say, " We have a right, under the provisions of this Bill, to take back our own property." He thought that it would be a gross injustice to put the property of the Presbytery of Antrim under the control of the Synod of Ulster. He was anxious to confine himself to the question before the Committee, and would not, there fore, follow his Hon. and Learned Friend throughout his very discursive argument. He should refuse to accede to the amendment now proposed, as he thought the granting of the proposition would be a monstrous in justice. Mr. SHAW explained. What he wanted the Govern ment to do was to give equal justice to all parties; but by this Bill they were infringing upon the rights of the Synod of Ulster, by giving Unitarians a power to which they were not entitled. He could see no difficulty ire doing justice if they but set their minds to it ; but while they protected the rights of the smaller class, they should extend a similar protection to the larger. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that his Right Hon. Friend (Mr. Shaw) ought to have explained what claim the Synod of Ulster had to these chapels. The Synod of Ulster did not found them. They could not, therefore, claim a property in them. His Right Hon. Friend could not show that the intentions of the founders had been to confine the doctrines taught in those churches to the particular dogmas of the Presby terian Synod of Ulster. Surely his Right Hon. Friend knew that the property of these churches did not lie with the ministers of those churches, but with the congrega tions; and were they, after having been allowed the rights of those meeting-houses for so many years, to be now deprived of them? He should resist the amend ment of his Right Hon. Friend. Mr. SHAW contended that the property now in ques tion had been left to the Synod of Ulster for particular educational purposes, which purposes were not fulfilled by the present possessors. His object was to restore the property to the original and proper parties. Sir It. PEEL would allude only to one single point, which would show the absolute necessity of leeislating, on this subject. Th e Ri g h t Hon. Gentleman had' pro posed a clause, and when his attention had been drawn to the state of the Remonstrant Synod and of the Presbytery of Antrim, he said that the Synod of Ulster had no desire to meddle with them, and yet he proposed a clause which would give the Synod of Ulster the right to seize the property of those two synods, one of which had seceded a hundred years -ago, and the other in 1829, by consent. No doubt that dec!aration of the Right Hon. Gentleman would relieve the Remonstrant Synod and the Presbytery of Antrim of the apprehen stuns which they entertained —apprehensions which had been made known to the Government, and had convinced them of the necessity of legislating on the subject. Now, although the Synod of Ulster disclaimed any intention 01 interfering with the Remonstrant Synod or with the Synod of Antrim, yet in leseember, 1842, just after the decision of the Wolverhampton case, the Synod of Ulster had come to a resolution, to the effect that in relation to the judgment in that case, it was competent, irmnecE ately, for congregations, which had been so spoliated, to recover their property, to be devoted to Trinitarian pur poses—(Oppositioncheers)—and that resolution was fol lowed by another:—" Resolved, That copies of this re solution be transmitted to thd Remonstrant Synod and to the Presbytery of Antrim."—(Renewed cheers.) This resolution had certainly excited the apprehensions of the Remonstrant Synod and of the Presbytery of Antritr, but he had no doubt but that these apprehensions would be relieved by the declaration of the Right Honourable Gentleman. COUNTY CORONERS' BILL. On the motion that the order of the day for the third reading of the County Coroners' Bill be read, Mr. II UME said he was determined to take the sense of the House on the subject of that portion of the Bill which went to increase the allowances of coroners for mileage. The time was come when they ought to put a stop to any further increase of the county expenditure. He, therefore, wished to see the twenty-first clause expunged. Mr. P. HOWARD thought a case had been made out for allowing the increased mileage, and he believed the counties in general did not object to it. Mr. ESCOTI7 supported the Bill; and as the measure had last year received the sanction of the House; he hoped the matter would not be pressed to a division. Mr. DARBY supported the clause. Mr. HUME moved that the 21st clause be expunged. The Bill had been lost last year in the other House, in consequence of . the increased allowances proposed to be made to coroners. General JOHNSON supported the notion of the Hon. Member for Montrose. On all occasions Of va cancies in the office of coroner, there was no lack of com petent candidates for the office. Mr. W. O. STANLEY had wished to 'introduce a clause, enacting that the coroner should,.at every assize, give in an abstract of the inquests he had h&c' in the interval between the assizes; but as the Government was opposed to the clause, he would not propose it. Mr. WAKLEY contended that the mileage allowed to coroners ought not ,to be reduced, seeing that they were compelled to perform a duty for which no public provision was made. The coroner wss'not appointed by the Crown ; and, therefore, he met with no favour. He was elected by the people, and his accounts were very closely scrutinized, and every endeavour was made in all cases to reduce his charges. He regretted that an alteration had been made in this Bill by the Hon. Mem ber for Kendal with respect to the time of polling. As the Bill originally stood, th e p o lli ng was to last only one day ; but an alteration had since been made in creasing that time. He trusted,. that when the Bill went to the House of Lords, the time for polling would be ; again red uce d to one d ay. Mr. EVANS thought the present payment to coro ners was sufficient. After a few words from Mr. DARBY Ilia House divided, when there appeared. For Mr. flume's amendment Against it Majority The Bill was then read a third time. Mr. WATSON moved that the petition of Lieutenant - Colonel Leslie Frith (presented 20th June) be printed with the Votes.—Agreed to. ' The ATTORNEY-GENERAL (for Ireland) moved for leave to bring in a Bill for the better protection of purchasers against judgments, crown debts, lis pendens, and commissions of bankruptcy ; and for providing one office for the registering of all judgments in Ireland ; and for amending the laws in Ireland respecting bank rupts and the limitation of actions. After a few words from Mr. SIIF.IL and Mr. REDING TON, approving of the measure, leave was given, and the Bill was brought in and read a first time. The House then adjourned at Half-past Twelve o'clock 23 -18 REFORM CLUB. The Parliamentary Librars e new in course of forma ion at this establishment;* '441,31 carried out according co the plan laid down, be ciiiitirOaerVe with the magni ficence of the building, tit 3 elithelfilini7er of members that it accommodates ; and thWadliiiielblO 'system which has been adopted of arranging and indexing the papers, will make it of great value to the practical Members of the House of Commons, and still more so to those who wish to become so. The reports and papers published by the House of Commons during the present century, commencing im mediately after the union of Great Britain and Ireland, have been taken first. The whole of these papers, at a rough calculation about 12,000 in number, will he sorted into subjects and sub divisions, and arranged under the litter in the order of their dates. Each subject will then be hound up complete in itself, and the several subjects placed in alphabetical order upon the shelves, so that every paper, upon any given subject, can 'lie referred to with the greatest facility. A single example will show the advantage of such an arrangement better than any other means, and we select the subject of education, bound up as follows : Accounts and returns relating to England and Wales Ditto Scotland Ditto Ireland and the Colonies Reports, England and Wales 2 Ditto, Ireland and Scotland 11 In all t wenty-two volumes, containing the subject com plete from 1801 to 1842, both inclusive, and comprising about 140 separate publications, which, under the ordi nary arrangement, are distributed amongst, perhaps, half as many volumes, and which must first be looked out in seven different indices in general, including together the period 1801-1838, and a separate index for any session since the latter year. The hard-working statistician alone can fully appre ciate the vd!ue of such en arrangement ; but every one may form some idea of the immense saving in time, la • hour, and disappointment that must result. Upwards of 400 volumes are already placed upon the shelves, comprising nearly the whole of the Reports—the set, when complete to 1842, will form 900 to 1,000 vols. The papers of subsequent sessions will be added, from time to time, to those already bound, so as to maintain the continuity of the arrangement. Each volume is furnished with an expellent tablo of contents, with references to pages, and a copy of the whole of these contents will be bound up to ether for a general index, in which, however, will be inserted an immense bomber of references to relevant matter con ',allied under other heads. This index will then exhibit at a glance the whole of the publications upon any given subject. To bring the arrangement still more to perfection, and obviate any difficulty arising from former habits or tech nicalities, a copy of the indexes, published by the House of Commons will be marked in red ink, in such a manner that it can be seen at a glance what situation any single paper occupies in the new arrangement. We recommend the simple and admirable plan of this gigantic Parliamentary Encyclopaedia to the careful study of those bibliographers who, instead of studying simpli city, perplex everybody, themselves not excepted, by their complicated philosophical classifications, nicely wound up with section miscellaneous, in which we would recom mend the student always to look first for any book he may want—the chances are great that he will find it there. The names of the subjects and sub-divisions, and the dates, are fully lettered upon the back, and standing, as before explained, in alphabetical order upon the shelves, offer to the eye a conspicuous synopsis of the index. 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