The Sun. — London, England, 1839-07-23 00:00:00

E VEN TN G EDITION TO HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN VICTORIA. GRACIOUS MADAM—One of the humble of your Britons dares to address your Majesty, and to felicitate you on the just and merciful reprimand awarded to the impudent, con ceited Address of the Faction, which has been and conti nues to be as the beacon of tyranny, and the very right arm of superstitious fraud. Thank God, the time is past when a Priest, after trampling the laws of God under foot, could dare to put his foot on the neck of an Emperor, and proudly chaunt " Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder, the young lion and dragon thou shalt trample under foot."--( Psalm xci.) Even in this land of the free the Priestly faction was so powerful as to strip the King to his shirt, and compel him to walk to church with naked feet !! I The last days of Queen Anne were disgraced by the enactment of the Schism Act, which provided that no Dissenter from the Episcopacy of what is called the English Church, should be allowed to educate his own child !! ! So zealous were the leaders of the Priestianity faction to enforce this most unjust law, that a deputatton from the Convocation of Episcopacy waited on George the First soon after his ac cession ; the self-called Reverend Gentleman implored the King that, for the benefit of the Church, he would put the Schism Act in force ; he manfully said, " Nay ; nor will 1 suffer persecution on account of religion during my reign." I conjure your Majesty to con with deep thought the grand important sentiment of this one of your grand sires, and you may rest assured that this is one of the brightest gems in the British Crown ; may you wear it long untarnished in glory, so that the faction of Priestianity may not have power to rob you of the sublime glory of doing justice, and showering your benevolence on every one of your people, from the remote of India to the extreme of Canada, and north and south's full boundaries. The King also further said, " The gentlemen of the Convo cation may not after this meet to legislate but to pray." The faction still feel sore at the noble conduct of the King on this occasion, and many of the teachers of Epis copacy in the most blasphemous manner, curse the acces sion of your Majesty's family to the British Throne. In 1715 the faction got up a rebellion, and its most ar dent promoters were Clergymen ; the University of Ox ford proceeded to such extremes, that a young man was put into the black-book, and was refused his degree for two years, because he had invited a company to drink King George's health, and the dignitaries of the Univer sity lied ample vengeance in store for those who dared to insult the University by honouring King George and the Protestant succession. The conduct of the faction at the time was such that the Ministry gladly availe,i itself of two very intelligent men, Gordon and Trenchard, who displayed much talent in three periodicals—" The Independent Whig," " The Cato's Letters," and the!' Cordials for Low Spirits." These periodicals exhibited in the most naked state the political knavery and the superstitious fraud of Priestianity and its confirmed enmity to Christianity and civil liberty. Even these publications at this day are like an episode in the history of our country, alike interesting to your Ma jesty as to the humblest in the land. Notwithstanding the mortification of the serpent faction in the accession of the Brunswick family, it reared again its dragon flag in 1745, and stalked through the land in blood, and again was laid in blood. Countenanced by Priestianity, often has faction trampled on the people, and insulted the Throne. Its gross mind led to the separation of that immense Colony now known as the United States, and a great accumulation of public debt. and much private loss. Then came the awfully impressive event of the French Revolution. The cess-pool of superstitious fraud was dis turbed; it rolled in swelling surges ; Priestianity, horror struck, stood aghast, and its satellites yelled with rage through all the secret chambers of fraud, when the freedom of religious worship was proclaimedin the public council of a nation, where hitherto it had been criminal to mouth a prayer to God, except agreeable to the rule of reigning hypocrisy. The three unclean spirits, like frogs, the Romanizim, Grecianism, and Protestantism, sword-armed, agreed in the spirit of persecution, and unanimously called forth the power of nations to the great knife battle to support wan ing Pi iestianity ; this horrid strife finished in 1815, as if it had been a quarrel with a single individual tyrant. Faction crowed, and we were threatened with the revival of the superstitions of the twelfth century, while all rejoiced in the fall of the spoilers of nations; faction contemplated a debt of eight hundred millions and the degradation of the industrious as unworthy of a thought; but it struck me forcibly that the mental commotion could not possibly be silenced by the sword, arid that the word battle must now continue to rage till the intelligence and wisdom of the Legislators, and the Sovereigns of nations cause Justice and the benevolencies of Christianity to flow to every hu man being under their constitutional control. _ . Then no sect can be allowed to share the purple with the just ruler. Then would Priestianity be innoxious except to itself,because Christianity then might stand erect in society, for it only requires forbearance as it forbears with all who differ from it in mind. Now, during the strife of the word battle and the sword battle, I have anticipated the triumph of right mind— even the voice of the faction dared not to refuse the Emancipation Act, because it passed with the approval of the Hero of Waterloo, God bless him. The faction re fuses still to do justice to a large portion of the community, else your Majesty could not have been insulted by the late address of Bullyism, against the good intentions of your Majesty in Council. Indignant at the insolence of tke faction, I have dared to implore your Majesty to take a retrospective view of the conduct of that faction, which, with the name of God in its mouth, is often engaged in the work of evil to our common country, and particularly its base malignant con duct to your Majesty's house, when it has been unable to lead the Monarchy itself. At this moment its venomous agents earnestly pour the slime of its poison upon your Majesty's good name. Madam, I trust that your Majesty will sympathize with the feelings of a man on the borders of seventy, devotedly fond of his Bible, which he considers as the most faithful councillor of right mind ; and wbo is determined to call the discontented dignitaries of Episcopacy to set their house in order ; because I find great disorder in their ministrations. I intend in future remarks to call on them to explain how tbey dare to claim the management of the Grant for the promotion of National Education, when they hive sho.wn their want of inclination, if not in. competence, to correct the extraordinary discrepancies between the Prayer-book and the Bible which have existed three hundred years. But this must be the subject of futUie papers, which, with all due respect I will address to ,our Majesty. For the present I will conclude with God bless your Majesty ! and may the Omnipotent richly endow you with knowledge, wisdom, understanding, judg ment, courage, and intrepidity, to hold the dragon of po litical ar.d superstitious fraud, astounded and floundering, in the lake of its own formation, the very cesspool of per secution, that the faithful of the British may continue to joy in the presence of their Queen. With the most fervent prayer for your Majesty's health, glory, and happiness, I remain, Your devoted Servant, GIDEON DOLL-SMASHER. Pri:nrose- Hill, July 14, 1839. SHIPPING IN TELLIGENCE. VESSF.I.S SP OKEN Willi. —The Calcutta, sth ult., lat. 14, lon. 29 ; Lord Eldon, from Sydney to London, 7th inst., lat. 40, lon. 39 ; Cambria, Robinson, Calcutta to .rpool, 14th, lat. 44, lon. 27 ; Hereford, Manilla to Liverpool, lat 45. lon. 26, by the Portland, arrived off Hastings ; Lady Douglas. of Maryport, for Quebec, 13th ult., lat. 50, lon. 15 ; Venus, Hammond, Newfoundland to Oporto. lat. 47, lon. 47, by the Victoria, arrived at Ply mouth ; Trio, Barbadoes to Quebec off Gaspe; Lian Romney, 20th, lat. 49, lon. 8, by the Emma, arrived at Plymouth ; Cosmopolite, Newcastle to Quebec, 13th inst., lat. 44, lon. 30 ; Pitt, Africa to Bristol, 14th, lat. 45, lon. 28; Duke of Roxburgh, Singapore to London, 16th, lat. 47, lon. 22, by the Alert Packet, arrived at Falmouth : Henry Cioy, of Boston, 18th inst., lat. 49, lon. 15 ; Earl Bathurst, Quebec to Scarborough, 19th, lat. 50, lon. 10; Tyrian Packet, Falmouth to the West Indies, 20th, lat. 30, lon. 5, by the Seagull Packet, arrived at Falmouth ; Vine, Sunderland to St. Andrew's, New Brunswick, 7th inst., lat. 49, lon. 41 ; Cyrus, Quebec to London, 14th, lat. 48, lon. 20, by the Mary Wheelwright, arrived off Falmouth ; John Ormerod, bound to Naples, 14th inst., Ist. 44, lon. 10, by the Jane, Chalmers, arrived at Falmouth ; Bache lor, Pugwash to Portsmouth, 25th ult. ; Solon, New York to Quebec, 26th, by the Harvest Home, arrived at Fal mouth. TOULON, JULY 9.—lt was no sooner known that a vote of ten millions of francs for the affairs of the East h a d b een agree d t o , than orders from the Minister of the Marine began rapidly to succeed each other in our port. Two new vessels, two frigates, a corvette, and a few light vessels, are a b out t o b e armed. The levy of marines is hastened and in the artillery magazines there is great activity in the manufacture of projectiles. Three corvettes are to be employed in the transport of provisions for the squadron. Some vessels of Baudin's squadron are expected, and the Maritime Prefect has received orders to despatch them for the Levant as soon as their arrange ments are completed. EDUCATIoN IN Woitlc aioUSES.—Durino• an investigation before 'Mr. Baker, the Coroner for the eastern district of the county of Middlesex' on Tu es d a y, re l at i ve to the death of a child, that gentleman took occasion to observe that children in workhousese were now muc h better educated than formerly, a t l in which he lived ( Stepney) he answercouldastedinthe Union that th e children were now receiving a bette r at be had himself received in his youth. Tuheecion than s Institu tion," as it was called, was at Limehouse, and upwards of 400 children within its walls, and tl3er he e n was perfectly astonished to see the discipline of the boys, who, u nder the direction o f a ser g eant, were taught to move their hands and m arch with all the minuteness of an army of vete rans. There was also a s chool of gymnastics, the exercises of which had been attended with most beneficial effects in developing the muscular energies of the youth ; a mast, with yards, shrouds, and rigging, was also erected in the yard, upon which the boys were trained to the duties of seamen, and the perfection they displayed in this exer cise was surprising. In addition to reading, writing, and arithmetic they were also taught geography, astronomy, and other sciences belonging to the higher order of litera ture; and he bad from personal examination proved their efficiency in geography, there not being a cove, port, inlet, or harbour of any kind round the coast of Great Britain, but apeeared to be known to them and readily pointed out • . 4 in l " OF MINISTERS.--011 Mon •• ion • - of those friendly to the principle of , rolif Ministers washeld in this city ( Glasgow). , „ t mAs,.e.aonposeuZ those wh t olould support the majority '- jyr eneral'. embly in he v i tile( G gentlemen resistance to the law of _ore land. The pales of the on the platform afforded unetrisig test as to th e o bj ect of the .one exerpilon—that of Mr. Walter Buchanan— these,--g assemblage. ent i e nieS,_tere anti-Libe ra l s i n po li t i cs, and ardent itiepßortep- of thiArigoted party in the Church of Scot la tuk i ... CairgYow Chronicle. THE WEATHER-DISASTERS AT SEA. (From the Falmouth Packet.) Our coast has this week been visited by one of the heaviest gales of wind we ever remember to have oc curred atthis season of the year. On Wednesday morning the wind was S., and during the day came round to about S. S. E., and so continued all that night, gradually fresh ening as morning dawned until abott seven o'clock, when it blew a very heavy gale with copious rain. About eight, the wind instantaneously veered round to S. S. W., blowing with still greater fury, and the sea caused by this sudden change of wind was tremendous. We have not the least doubt but that sad accounts will be daily received at the outports of the loss both of shipping and lives to a great extent. The following are all the particulars of vessels wrecked and damaged we have yet received : MARAZION. JULY 19, HALF. FAST 7 P.M.—For the last 16 hours we have been visited with a most tremendous gale of wind, from S. E. to S. W., which still continues with a very heavy sea. The George Lockwood, M'Kenzie, master, and part owner, which arrived yesterday from Quebec to this port, with a cargo of timber for Messrs. Sandys, Came, and Vivian, of Ha y le, drove from her anchors, and struck on the roc k s t o the westward of the Mount Pier. The crew were safely landed by the exer tions of the pilots, and the vessel, it is expected. will be hauled into the pier next tide, should the weather moderate. The schooner Perseverance, of Leith, Smith, master, from Abervon, with coals for Truro, ran on shore near Porth leaven on the Lone Bar at noon to-day, and was quickly dashed to atoms, and all hands perished, without the possi bility of aid being afforded them. A bag containing some clothes, the ship's papers, and a silver watch, supposed to be long to the master, has been picked up aed lodged in safe custody. The remains of the hull and materials consist of a few scattered fragments washed up on the beach. —The Sir Walter Scott, of Falmouth, entered the Mount Pier about noon, with sails split, and other damage. —A sloop belonging to Salcombe came in shortly afterwards with sails split.—The Sarah, of Cork, after having been in the Eastern Bay for ten hours, came into the pier about four o'clock p.m. with every sail split to shreds. —Two of the R. Y. C. yachts came into the Mount's pier last evening, one with loss of main boom.—Several schooners have an chored in Gwavas Lake during the day, with damage to sails, &c., but are riding the gale out well. We have much pleasure in stating that the shipping in Falmouth Harbour rode out the gale without sustaining the slightest damage. BADEN-BADEN.—(Extract of a Letter.) — Lord Suffield arrived here about a fortnight since, and on Thursday last, Houlditch, a coachmaker, from Long-acre, arrived with his London attorney, and proceeded to exe cute a warrant for a provisional arrest, which he had pro cured against the person of Lord Suffield, in the name of a native of the Grand Duchy of Baden. Lord Suffield im mediately procured legal advice, and on the matter being brought bsfore the proper authorities here, the warrant was discharged, and the plaintiff was condemned to pay all the costs, on the ground that the alleged debt was con tracted by one Englishman to another, and that the secu rity which formed the plaintiff's claim was payable in Lon don. The feeling here is very much in favour of Lord Suffield, because his Lordship states, that before be left England he transferred his property to trustees for the payment of his debts, that the trustees paid Mr. Houlditch upwards of six thousand pounds, and that they refused to pay the amount of the present demand, because Mr. Houlditcb could not prove value ; it is therefore considered a harsh experiment to enforce a claim which the English Courts of Justiee would not recognize, The parties all remain here still, apparently as happy as if nothing had happened.— Times. RAILWAY ACCIDENT.—On Saturday last an accident occurred upon the Leith branch of the Edin burgh and Dalkeith Railway, which, but for the driver's promptitude, in ordering the passengers out of the coaches, might have been attended with serious consequences. It appears that when the twelve o'clock coaches were ascending the inclined plane near Portobello, and just before they bad reached that station, the driver and the passengers seated in front, observed one of the large coal waggons, full loaded, descending upon them with fearful rapidity, and without a conductor. The driver instantly sprung from his seat and called to the passengers, who, from the day being fine, were very numerous, to dismount immediately as they valued their lives. The order was, amidst much consternation, promptly obeyed, and scarcely had they rushed down the banks of the line, which are at this point very precipitous, when the dreaded vehicle came into violent collision with the railway carriage, throwing a portion of the coals to a great height in the air, and damaging both carriages considerably. The passengers were afterwards, with some difficulty persuaded to resume their seats in the broken carriage until they reached the next station, where the conductor, in order to allay all apprehension, very pru dently procured another. We understand that the acci dent arose from the breaking of the chain which attached the waggon in question to the rest of the train.—Edin burgh Courant. MORE CHARTISTS IN TROUBLE.—On Wed nesday morning three Chartists, named William Ayre, of South Hetton, and John Walker and Thomas Brown, of Haswell, having resolved to ride home from the " demon stration" at Sunderland, free of expense, got upon one of the Durham and Sunderland Railway carriages, which which they refused to leave. The train being put in mo tion, the Chartists rode " free and easy" a little beyond Hendon, when one of the Company's servants slyly de tached their coach from the rest, and having brought it to a stand-still, with some assistance took the men into cus tody, quietly marched them before the Magistrates, and had them committed to Durham gaol for three months.— Durham Chronicle. FREQUENT " WHITEWASHINGS." —ln the Insolvent Court on Wednesday Thomas Callis, who had kept a beer-shop in the Harrow-road, applied to be dis charged. He had taken the benefit on five occasions, the present was his sixth appearance. Mr. Commissioner Law remarked that a person could now come as often as be thought proper. The insolvent was ordered to be dis charged. DISCOVERY Or THE Z'ALL;ABLECHRONOME fCi eei.osniNn TO TIM CKUSADF.R. —Oa Sathrday after. neon last, about half-past one o'clock, as Mr. G. M. Crookall, of Lytham, was walking at South Shore, near Blackpool, and immediately in the vicinity of South Shore Church, he saw something having the appearance of a watch, ap parently very valuable, loosely laid at the mouth of a hole, in a sandy cop; he immediately got it out, and, on examination, it was found to be the rich and massive chronometer belonging to the ship Crusader, which was wrecked on the banks of the Ribble during the me morable storm in January last. There is not the slightest doubt that the chronometer was placed on the cop, for the purpose of being found, by some individual who has had it in his possession for some time, and who, no doubt, has had his bears of being discovered with it. Thia supposition is well borne out by the following. circumstances, viz., the wreck was lying off Blackpool for some time after the catastrophe, the bulk of the cargo being retained ; and from the peculiar situation of the chronometer, there is strong reason to believe that it was stolen from the vessel, so many persons in the neigh bourhood continually visited the spot. The chronometer is seven pounds in weight, the case of gold, and it is also inlaid with pearls and diamonds. Mr. Crookall took it to the Marine Office in Liverpool, on Tuesday afternoon, and we understand that he is entitled to the salvage (one-half value). The chronometer is insured for the large sum of eight hundred pounds, its full value being eight hundred guineas.—Preston Observer. EASTERN ANECDOTE.—" An Arab came into the mosque,of the Prophet, while the holy Commander of the Faithful, Ali, was there. The Arab performed hi.; devotions hurriedly and hastily, not going through the ceremonies as the institutions of religion command, nor reading duly the prescribed portions of the Koran. As ne rose up and was going out, his Excellency the Khalif cried out to him, and flourishing his slippers over his head, cried, Stay, and perform thy prayer fully, for this thy performance will not be taken into account.' The Arab, from fear of the slippers of the Khalif, stood and went through his devotions a second time, in such a manner as is right and proper, finishing them with humility and aba sedness. When they were finished, the Khalif said, Is not this last prayer better than the first ?' The Arab re plied. No, 0 Commander of the Faithful; for the first prayer was from the fear of God, and the second from the tear of thy slippers.' "—Asiatic Journal. PENNY POSTAGE.—A Meeting of the sta tioners, paper makers, &c. of Edinburgh, was held yes terday, to consider the proposed measure of penny post age. Mr. James Dickens, in the chair. The meeting unanimously approved of the plan ; but objected to that part of the proposition which requires that stamped enve lopes or stamped paper only, should be used in correspon dence, as not only injurious to the interests of the trade in general, but tending to fetter and cramp the working of the scheme itself. Resolutions in accordance with these sentiments were agreed to ; and it was resolved to petition Parliament against any Bill adopting these objectionable features as parts of the plan. CLEGG'S ATMOSPHERIC RAILROAD.-(From a Correspondent.)—lt would appear that this novel inven tion for propelling carriages on railroads is in actual pro gress on the Birmingham, Bristol, and Thames Junction Railway, a line of all others best adapted to demonstrate the perfection and economy of this system. It certainly presents features of deep interest to the community, inas mzupclhn as i it t o promisesr fi ; speed, a guar antee aga i nst e immense saving in expense, b ot h secity in its formation and working. The works are actively ad o s fire, and security, an ad vancing under the superintendence of the Messrs. Samudas, the engineers to the patent; and that portion of the line from the Uxbridge-road to the Great Western lailway is expected to be opened to the public on the lst of Novem ber next. The portion here alluded to, the whole of which is a steep incline, will be laid down on a scale capable of transporting 3,000 tons a day. CROPS IN SCOTLAND.—One of our friends, who has for some days past been taking a ride through several of th e neighbouring counties to the south and east of this (Glasgow), has kindly favoured us with the fol lowing information with respect to the state of the crops : All kinds generally short in stalk, except in mossy or moist places, though healthy in appearance. Barley and i wheat, in vari ous places, •dn ear ; an. oats ready to burst forth, while the beans and peas are rich in blossom. Potatees,:were not injured or destroyed by the severe frost on the 30th ult., are looking well, and promise both an early and abundant crop. Turnips have brairded well, and in many places the singling process is goin forward. v The hay, however, if not a f a il ure, is deeidedly g far below an average crop, though here and there, on • particular soils, a rich and luxuriant field may be found. Cattle are falling in value, as farmers are afraid to inc rease stock, with the prospect of a scarcity of fodder staring them in the face. His views with regard to the injury done by the laws of entail, and the possibility of tracing the tenure by which land is held, from the state of cultivation, may perhaps be all true, but it is too complicated for an agricultural report, and we therefore omit the discussion by thus merely hinting at the idea, and leave it to our readers to judge for them selves. —Glasgow Chronicle. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, JULY 22. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. SMALL DEBTS BILL. On the motion of Mr. WALKER, the Bury (Lan caster) Small Debts Bill was read a second time. Mr. T. ATT WOOD presented a petition fiom the coach proprietors of Birmingham, complaining of their trade being injured by the competition of railroads, and praying the repeal of the duties now imposed on them ; a petition from the same place, praying the House to appoint a Committee to hear Robert Owen on Social. ism ; two petitions in favour of Mr. Rowland Hill's Post-office plan ; and two petitions from Birmingham and Brighton, complaining of the conduct of the police at Birmingham. Sir W, SOMERVILLE presented a petition against the renewal of the Bank of Ireland Charter. Sir J. Y. BULLER presented a petition from stage-coach proprietors of Gloucestershire, complaining of unequal taxation on the means of conveyance. Mr. PLUM PTRE presented a petition against the grant to Maynooth. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the paper manufacturers of Dublin, deprecating what they considered, he believed erroneously, the effect of the proposed penny postage plan, viz , the diminution in the consumption of letter paper. Mr. MACAULAY presented a petition from Edin burgh, complaining of deficiency is Church accommoda tion in Scotland. Mr. BANNERMAN presented a petition in favour of the penny postage. Mr. HOME presented various petitions to the same effect from St. James's, Westminster ; from Dublin ; and from a parish in Scotland. The Hon. Member also presented similar petitions from Twickenham, Ealing, and Brentford ; also a petition from the Western district of Scotland, against a renewal of the monopoly of printing the Bible in that country. Colonel T. WOOD presented a petition from All Saints, Poplar, against the Collection of Rates Bill. Mr. T. DU NCOMBE gave notice that, on going into Committee on the Poor-law Commission Con tinuance Bill, he should move an instruction to the Com mittee to abolish plurality of voting for the election of officers. Mr. HUME gave notice that, on going into Com mittee on the Bank of Ireland Acts, he should more certain resolutions for doing away with the Bank of Ire land monopoly. Also, in Committee on the Poor-law Commission Continuance Bill, he should move a clause requiring the meetings of the Guardians to be public, provided the Guardians should think fit. COMMUNICATION BETWEEN DUBLIN AND LONDON. Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice that on going into Committee of Supply on Friday he should move an address to her Majesty to appoint a Committee to in quire into the most direct means of communication be tween London and Dublin. CRIME IN IRELAND. The Hon. and Learned AIEmBER then moved that a message be sent to the Lords, praying a copy of the report of evidence taken before the Committee ap pointed to inquire into the state of crime and outrage in Ireland.—Agreed to. POOR-LAWS. Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that in Committee on the Poor-law Commissioners Continuance Bill be should move a clause different to that which had been put on the notice paper by the Hon. Member for Sussex, to the effect that the Guardians of the Poor should be enabled, notwithstanding any provisions in the Poor-law Amendment Act, to give relief to able bodied labourers named before the passing of the Poor law Amendment Act, by taking their children into the workhouse. It was his intention to persevere with the Bill, if he found that the House agreed with him in opinion that it did not involve any discussion of the Poor law Amendment Act itself. INCREASE IN THE MILITARY FORCE. The NOBLE Loan then said—Having given this notice with respect to the Poor-law Amendment Act, he wished to state to the House, and he had better state it in a continuous form, the proposal which will be made by the Government relative to the present state of the country in certain districts. It is the intention of the Government to lay on the table immediately an additional estimate to allow of an increase of the infantry regiments from 739 to 800. That estimate will provide for the increase to the present military establishment of about 5,000 men. The sum which it will require for the purpose till April next, will not exceed 75,000/. The continual calls which have been made for the military from various parts of the country, especially the north, and the impossibility, and, indeed, I may say, the ex treme danger of diminishing the force now in our Colonies, more especially Canada, make it, in the opinion of the Government, a duty incumbent on them to ask for an additional force before Parliament separates. I should like also to state that I have had a a representation from the Mayor of Birmingham, ad dressed privately to me, but of a public nature, stating, that it is the opinion of all the Magistrates there, that nothing will be so conducive to the permanent peace of that town, as the establishment of a local police force, but that, in the present state of things, owing to the circumstances which have recently occurred with respect to the Corporation, and in consequence also of the dis turbed state of the town, they do not think they could procure the levy of a rate so immediately as is necessary for that purpose, therefore, Sir, I shall propose a reso lution to-morrow, in order to enable me to bring in a Bill to provide that the Commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury may have the power to provide the sum of 10,000/. for the establishment of a police force in Birmingham, to be repaid by rate to be levied on that town. It is likewise thought fit to propose that on Wednesday I shall ask for leave to bring in a Bill to enable the county Magistrates to establish a con stabulary force in counties, or districts of counties, for the permanent peace and protection of such counties. I thought it would be more convenient to the House to state these intentions, and certainly I shall explain them more at large when the several propositions come before the House. JURISDICTION OF MAGISTRATES IN BOROUGHS. Sir E. WILMOT wished to put a question to the Noble Lord, the Secretary of State for the Home Department. He had seen in a paper that the highest law authority in the kingdom had given it as his opinion that county magistrates had no con current jurisdiction in boroughs. He wished to ask the Noble Lord whether he recollected the 111 th section of the Reform Act, the first part of which gave concurrent jurisdiction to the Magistrates of all boroughs where no court of quarter sessions had been given. Lord JOHN RUSSELL was sorry that his Learned Friend the Attorney-General was not present to answer the question with the authority which belongs to his po sition and to his knowledge of the subject. But the opinion of the Attorney-General, and of his Learned Friend near him ( the Solicitor. General), was that the Magis trates of the borough, and the Recorder of the Court of quarter sessions, had only exclusive jurisdiction in those cases where quarter sessions previously existed —that in the cases of boroughs to which the grant of quarter sessions had been made, and which bad not previously been enjoyed by those boroughs, and of course any new boroughs, the county Magistrates re tain their jurisdiction concurrently with the Magis trates of boroughs. Sir E. WILMOT was happy to hear that opinion, because it was contrary to that of the Chief Justice of England. He should without hesitation have acted as a Magistrate in Birmingham, but after what he had heard he could not have ventured to have done so. The Noble Lord's opinion was directly contrary to the one which had been given. Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET asked whether the Noble Lord intended to lay the clause which he had mentioned before the House, previous to going into Committee on the new Poor-law Bill. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he intended going into Committee on the Bill on Friday, and he should lay the clause before the House to-morrow. CANADA. Mr. LANGDALE, having understood that there had been recent arrivals from America, wished to ask the Secretary for the Colonies if he had received any account respecting the existence of Orange Lodges in Canada ; and also if the Governor of Upper Canada had taken any measures to prevent the spread of Orangeism in that colony. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that he was happy to be able to give a satisfactory answer to the Hon. Gen tleman's question. Every proper precaution had been adopted, and Sir George Arthur, the Governor of Upper Canada had addressed a circular letter to the Magistrates desiring them to discourage the exist ence of Orange Lodges, and to take all proper precautions that no processions should take place on the 12th of July, which should be offensive to any class of her Majesty's subjects.:—(Cheers.) THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, JULY 23, 1839. SPANISH LEGION. Captain BOLD R 0 .--- saidthatii would be in the recollection of the Noble Lord the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, that on the 26th June 1838 a re solution was come to by that House respecting the claims of the Spanish Legion, and a humble Address had been presented to her Majesty in consequence, beseeching her Majesty to use her best endeavours to obtain a settlement of those claims. Since that pe riod a su.n of 280,0001. had been acknowledged to be due to these claimants, claims to that amount having been decided and certificates issued in conse quence, signed by the Spanish Ambassador, but these unfortunate men had been obliged to dispose, in many instances of these certificates at the rate of 201. for a bill of 1001. Under these circumstances he wished to ask the Noble Lord what further steps he intended to take to enforce these claims ? Lord PALMERSTON said the first. step taken had been to examine the accounts, and determine what was due to each claimant. This was settled by two Commissioners—one appointed by the Spanish Ambas sador, and the other by a Committee of the claimants, the Spanish Minister, and a general officer in the Bri- tish service, being the ultimate referees. Claims had been ascertained as stated by the Gallant Officer, and certificates issued in consequence, but owing to the state of penury of the Spanish Government, it was not easy to obtain payment, and he feared that some of their certificates would be disposed of at less than the nominal price, and he hoped that that would ulti mately prove the real value—and he hoped that the claimants would not, by any prospect at present, be induced to dispose of the certificates. No exertion should be wanting on the part of the Government to enforce these claims, although there were persons who had prior claims on the Spanish Government. Captain BOLDERO hoped that the claims of the Legion would have priority over those of the merchants in the city who had advanced money to the Spanish Government. Lord PALMERSTON had not alluded to the claims of persons who had advanced money to the Spanish Government, but to those persons who had claims on that Government in consequence of acts of violence on the part of the Spanish Government and which was guaranteed to these individuals by treaty. In answer to a question from Lord SANDON, Lord PALMERSTON stated, that great efforts had for some time been making to induce the Spanish Government to enter into a commercial treaty with this country, which would no doubt be very advantageous to the Spanish Government, because they would then be en abled to derive a revenue from that trade which was now wholly in the hands of smugglers. But in that, as in other countries, there were old interests connected with systems of abuse that it was exceedingly difficult to overcome. Catalonia was imagined to produce ma nufactures which were sufficient for the supply of Spain, whereas the greater part of those very manufactures were smuggled from England into Catalonia ; he had, therefore, no hope that a commercial treaty would be concluded,at present between the countries. BANK OF IRELAND. In answer to a suggestion from Lord J. RUSSELL, Mr. HUME agreed that the debate on the Irish Bank should come on upon Thursday. Mr. O'BRIEN remarked that it would be as well if all the Irish Bills now before the House came on upon the same day.---(Hear, hear.) IRISH CONSTABULARY BILL. On the Order of the Day for bringing up the Report on the Irish Constabulary, Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN said it had been represented that the effect of the Irish Constabulary Bill would be to reduce the expense of the police, whereas the ex pense had gradually increased. He thought the Go vernment should endeavour to keep down the expense as much as possible—(Hear, hear) —and accede, if feasible, to the suggestion of the Hon. Member for Kilkenny, that this expense should be brought annually under the control of Parliament, instead of being thrown upon the Consolidated Fund.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. GOULBURN said he understood that the debate upon the Bill was to be taken upon the second reading.—(Hear, hear.) The object of the Bill was to enable the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland to raise a " reserved" police force, to be trained and armed under his controul—to act in any part of the country. Now that he considered a novel and very objectionable principle, which he should take the proper opportunity of resisting. Mr. HUME had been anxious to have a discussion on this Bill, and for that purpose he had watched it with great care, but it had been brought forward at such times as to render it impossible. The Bill was a most important one, inasmuch as it sanctioned the Government in hav ing a regular army of the police, without the knowledge of that House. He had taken the sense of the House with respect to the London police, and would do so with respect to the Irish. He trusted some time would be fixed for the purpose of discussing the principles of the Bill. Mr. MORE O'FERRALL said that the principle of the Bill might be discussed on the second reading. Mr. HUME said that he should now move that the words be struck out which enabled the advance to be made out of the Consolidated Fund. He thought that all sums applicable for such a pur pose should be granted by that House alone. He had heard nothing stated in support of the extraor dinary proposition. It was not his intention to object to the formation of this force, but all he wanted was, that there should be an annual vote, in order that they might once a year have an opportunity of discussing it. Mr. GOULBURN agreed with the Hon. Member for Kilkenny in the objection he made ; but as it had been understood that the Report was to be brought up without a division, and as the Noble Lord the Secre tary for Ireland was not present, he hoped the Hon. Member would withdraw his opposition. Mr. HUME said, if it was understood that he would have an opportunity of discussing the subject in a full House, he would withdraw all opposition for the present. 'Mr. NV A.KLEY hoped a division would take place on the subject then, because they had a full House, and he did not believe there would be so many Members present at any future period of that Session.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) They ought, then, to determine the principle whether payment was to be made out of the Consolidated Fund, or by annual payments, and he hoped a division would take place at once.—(Hear, hear, and No, no.) Mr. M. O'PERRALL hoped a division would not be pressed in the absence of the Noble Lord the Secre tary for Ireland. Mr. HUME—Then the better way would be to ad journ this debate till the Noble Lord is in his place. But be was willing to adopt whatever course might be most convenient. Mr. WAKLEY could not withdraw his opposition. He thought this principle was of so serious a nature, and one so fraught with evil consequences, that he could not consent to the House passing these resolutions sub silenti u . Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but no division took place. On our readmission to the Gallery, we found Sir R. PEEL on his legs, (who, we presume, had been ad dressing the House during our exclusion,) stating that he could not consent, without more discussion than the subject had received, to extinguish alto gether a proposal connected with the maintenance of the public credit. He thought it was wise if the discussion should take place on the second reading, and he could not see the propriety of dividing the House at the present moment. Mr. WAKLEY hoped he might not be understood as having opposed the increase of force. No man was more anxious for the public peace than himself, and no man believed less than he did that anything tending to disturb the public peace, could be beneficial to the country. All he objected to was the mode of pay ment, and that the vote was not to be annually.—(Hear, hear.) This House ought to have some controul as to the mode of payment.—(Hear, hear.) After what had passed, if it was understood that Honourable Members would be there to discuss the question, and that there would be a discussion on the subject, due notice being given, he would not press a division then, but he was determined, if no other Hon. Member did so, he would take the sense of the House on the propriety of the mode of payment proposed. Sir R. PEEL begged to state that he hail not the slightest intention of insinuating even that the Ho nourable Member was not disposed to take measures for the public tranquillity, and he also begged to state that he did not differ from the Honourable Gentleman as to the propriety of taking the sense of the House on this proposition. Mr. FRENCH wished to observe that this measure was not called for in consequence of the state of Ire land ; that country was perfectly tranquil and quiet.— ' (Hear, from the Ministerial benches, and cries of " Oh" from the Opposition benches.) Mr. C. BUL LER begged to withdraw the Regis tration (Courts of Appeal) Bill. ' He thought it was necessary to have a change of the whole Registration system, and he trusted that the question would be brought forward by the Government early next Session, The Order of the Day was then discharged. POSTAGE BILLS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Postage Duties Bill. Mr. G. PALMER begged to call the attention of the Right Hon. Gentleman to the question of whether the penny postage on letters sent by the cross post was to be charged an additional penny to the one penny to be charged generally ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was not the intention of the Government to add the penny to that charged for the general postage. The Order of the Day having been read, Mr. GOULBURN said that, having stated his opinions upon the general subject only upon a late occa sion, it was not his intention to trouble the House at any great length. He must say, however, that he never saw a Bill which dealt more summarily with the revenues and resources of the country than that one did. It was said that at present the Government Lad the power to reduce the postage : no doubt they had ; and he begged to call the particular attention of the House to that fact, for it was evident that the Treasury dare not exercise the power, it was so foolishly extensive. The Government had never yet acted upon it, and the 34th William IV. and the Ist Victoria gave no power to the Treasury either to remit or increase any part of the duty. That Bill passed the House on the 12th of July, 1837, and the date was of importance, for on some day in July notice was given that it was expedient to regulate East Indian postage, and a resolution was submitted that that should be fixed at a particular rate. It passed without observation ; a Bill was brought in founded on that resolution, and he never thought of look ing into it to find a general power of reducing colonial and inland postage. But when the Bill was brought in it was an Act to impose rates and packet postage on East Indian letters, and to amend certain Acts relating to the Post-office.—(Hear.) This was a power ob tained by deceiving the House in the first in stance.—(Hear, hear, hear.) With respect to the present Bill he had only to say that in an arrangement of this complicated nature there never was a Bill of this nature submitted to Parliament. They were about to risk a revenue of a million and a half, and to entrust to the Treasury the mode in which that risk should be effected. They were giving to the Treasury enormous power—the power of interfering with the right of frank ing, wholly or partly—they might take the privilege from the Lords, and leave it to the Commons, or impose any restrictions they pleased. They were to have the whole discretion as to the stamps to be used, and there was no penal provision against the forging of stamps to be used in any case of this kind. That was all to be left to the Treasury. They were not only to have the power of raising or lowering the rate of postage, but they were to have the power of inflict ing any penalty they pleased for forging the stamps. They were about to confide to the Treasury alone the whole discretion of dealing with one branch of the revenue, which was giving them a power which might be increased in a manner that would be fatal to the best interests of the country. He trusted that the suggestion he had thrown out would be con sidered by the Government. Mr. F. BARING said that the Right Honourable Gentleman had completely misunderstood the clause to which he had referred. He had him self proposed the clause and he could take upon himself to say that it had not been introduced with out the full knowledge of the House. The object of the clause was to get rid of small grievances, and not such extensive ones as the present Bill was intended to remedy. He admitted that considerable powers were given by the present Bill ; but he felt no hesitation in sayin g , if there was any check which could be pro posed by Hon. Members which did not interfere with the principles of the Bill, they would be gladly adopted by the Government. Now, what were the powers given by the Bill ? The first power was that they should adopt the plan of the stamped cover, or such other plan as the Treasury might think proper, which was to be carried into effect at the time, and in the manner the House should think right. It was very easy to make an Act of Parliament, stating that on a particular day a certain arrangement should take place, but there would be great difficulty unless that power was placed in some particular hands, and what hands, he would ask, were more propr than some of the exe cutive departments of the Government ? Sir R. INGLIS doubted whether it was fit to give to any Government or any Chancellor of the Exche quer the powers conferred by this Bill. The power of altering the rates of postage might be exercised in such a way as to satisfy one side of the House only. He did not accuse Hon. Gentlemen of introducing that clause purposely, but he did accuse them of having carelessly brought it in, and that was a suffi cient censure to pass on any Government.— ( Hear, hear.) Was there one Member in that House who believed the Bill bad received the cordial support of the whole Government ? Was not the Bill forced on the Government, and was it not a compact with others whose support they hoped to purchase by this concession ?—(Hear, hear.) Was not this the first instance in which any Government had brought for ward a measure of this kind against the authority of that department of the Government charged with their fiscal concerns ? He would ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he was not bringing forward the question against the opinion of the Postmaster-General and the great body of the officers under him. It was a plan, not for the benefit of the poor, or it would have received more support from his side of the House ; it was a plan for the benefit of the great traders, and he believed it was brought forward on Political Union grounds— (Oh, oh) —for the benefit of the great commercial establishments, and in order to obtain their sup port for a tottering Government. The franking privilege of the Member of one of the great houses was worth at least 300/., and therefore he placed no value on the meeting which was held at the Man sion-house a short time ego, for they petitioned merely to have a heavy tax removed from their own shoul ders. Supposing it was necessary that the experiment should be tried, why should it be tried at the expense of the Parliamentary privileges of the Members of that House ? If no one else had the moral courage to oppose that part of the plan, he, in spite of all odium, would divide the House upon that part of the plan.— ( Hear, hear.) Upon that point he claimed the vote of the great calculator of the House. Was the Hon. Member for Kilkenny prepared to sacrifice 151. a year for the benefit of the commercial class ?—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) He for one was not prepared to give up the privilege of franking, which was now so limited. Why, he would ask, could not the expe riment be made otherwise than at the expense of the Members of Parliament? He trusted the House would not consent to do away with a privilege so trifling. He believed that the Government had conceded the question in order to obtain the support of the Hon. Gentlemen who sat behind them, and he believed fur ther that it was brought forward in the hope that it would_never be carried.--(Hear, bear.) He believed that none were so disappointed at the division upon the question as the Government—(Cheers)—and that none would bo so delighted as them to be beat upon the question that night.—( Hear, hear.) He believed they would have been satisfied with all the glory of the concession without the risk of the triumph. He was sure the present state of the revenue would not justify any risk, still leas the voluntary abandonment of a revenue so large.—( Hear, hear.) Notwithstanding the defeat which his Right Hon. Friend had sustained, and in which no one sympathized more than the Chancellor of the Exche quer—( A laugh)—he should move that the second read. ing of the Bill be postponed to this day six months. Lord SE YMOUR, who was very imperfectly heard in the gallery, said that he differed entirely with the Right Hon. Baronet who had just sat down.—( Hear, hear.) It appeared before the Committee that some Hon. Members exceeded the number of franks which were allowed, and amongst them was the Right Hon. Baronet.—(A laugh.) Now this was certainly a mode of cheating the public revenue. —( Cries of " Order, order.") Sir R. INGLIS said that when the Noble Lord intro duced such a phrase as he had done, imputing to Hon. Members that they cheated the public revenue, and when he assumed to connect that statement with his (Sir R. Inglis's) name, he felt bound to rise. —(Hear, hear.) If the Hon. Member for Greenock was present, he might rest his defence with him. But he could do more. From the time when lie came into the House of Commons he had kept a regular account of all his franks.--( Hear, hear, and laughter.) He called upon the Noble Lord, when he rose again, to state whether that evidence to which he alluded was on the table of the House. The Noble Lord could not state that. The Honourable Mem ber for Greenock knew that was not the fact. The Noble Lord knew that the statement was not *lade in the terms in which he had stated it. He knew it was the Secretary for the Post-office who said there were three Members who were watched. He would not state who those were, but that he was one. He would state also that two Members last Monday went to the Post-office, and were told, in answer to a question whether Sir Robert Inglis had exceeded his number, that he had done so once. That was done unintentionally. He acknowledged that he should be cheating if he did it intentionally, but he never had done so. He trusted that the Noble Lord (a Lord of the Treasury) who had taken the liberty of saying he was one of those who had cheated the public revenue, would explain what he meant by that phrase.—( Cheers. ) Lord SE YMOUR should be ashamed if he had made use of improper language, and would readily apologise if he had eone so. —( Hear, hear.) He stated what he had heard—that the Right Hon. Baronet was one of those Members who did value their privilege in that way, and, in consequence of that, tbeir:names were watched. He did not state this of his own knowledge, but he believed there were other Members present who had heard the same statement. He did not know whether the Right Hon. Baronet was satisfied with this explanation or not. Sir R. ING LIS said perhaps the Noble Lord would state how it appeared that he ever had exceeded. Let any one look at the returns which he kept every day.— (Laughter. ) Lord SE YM OUR, after a few remarks which were inaudible, concluded by saying that if the powers required were not given fairly and fully to carry out the plan, not only would the advantage to the revenue be lost, but the advantage to the public also. Mr. WALLACE said it was quite true when they went to the Post-Office they were shown the table at which the franks were taken, and that the Secretary stated that it would be impossible to watch all the franks, but that a few Members at a time were generally watched—that the process was going on, and that amongst the number was the name of the Right Hon. Baronet opposite—( Laughter) —the individual who was now addressing the House— ( Laughter)—the Chairman of the Committee on Postage (Great laughter)—and who the other was he did not recol lect.—[A Member mentioned the name of Mr. Hume. ]— (Continued laughter.) As soon as he (Mr. Wallace) saw the Honourable Baronet, he mentioned to him that they were in the same category. The Honourable Baronet convinced him that it must be almost impossible, for he kept a list, and knew not only the number but the names of the individuals to whom they were sent. He (Mr. W.) franked ten letters always. He might often frank eleven or more, his correspondence being extremely large; but his doing so gave him no concern, as those over number would be charged. With regard to official franking he was thoroughly convinced it should be abolished entirely. Its being regulated so as to put an end to the existing abuses in its exercise, he feared would prove next to im possible, and therefore he would strongly urge upon the Treasury, in the exercise of those powers which were so properly to be conferred on them, that official franking should be put an end along with the Parliamentary privi lege.—(Hear, hear, from all sides of the House, in which Sir Robert Peel and the Chancellor of the Exchequer were particularly conspicuous.) The petitions of the people to Parliament, and Parliamentary Papers, being sent for the benefit of the people, were the only document which should go postage free.—(Laughter.) There was no doubt that very large bodies of influential persons had been amongst those who had petitioned the House for a penny postage, but by far the greater number were from those to whom it really was a matter of great importance. lie would readily give up his privilege of franking for the benefit it would confer on the poorer classes, even though it might increase the number of love letters amongsti the poorer classes, of which an Hon. Member, not now in his place, had spoken of to him, with great fear of the consequences to the morals of the softer sex.— ( A laugh, and cheers.) He had no such fears, believing the industrious cl&sses to be as moral to the full as those who claimed to be their betters.—( Loud laughter.) With regard to the use of stamps. there might be three modes of using stamped paper. The paper makers raised an objection to this plan ; but he was of opinion they had not fairly stated their case. He (Mr. W.) was now advocating the cause of the poor. If half sheets of paper were stamped and allowed to be cir- ' culated the poor would be able to buy a cheap article to write on, but the paper makers objected to this, insisting that the poor should be obliged to purchase a whole sheet of paper. If however they could get eleven or twelve half sheets for one penny, they would have to thank the Go vernment, not only for cheap postage but cheap paper.— ( Hear, hear.) The Treasury were to be allowed to carry this plan into effect in the recess, and the consequence would be that by the time the Act came into operation Parliament would have reassembled.—(Hear, hear.) There would thus be four or five months' trial of the plan whilst Parliament was sitting, which would be a great advantage, as it would afford an opportunity for making any improvements which might be suggested. One word with regard to the Revenue : The Act would not come into operation so as to touch it before the sth of January, in which case the Exchequer this year would re ceive nine months' revenue, and only three months would be in jeopardy. He was convinced that this Bill, if passed, would give to the poorer classes one of the greatest bene fits which could be conferred on them.--( Hear, hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER should have been disposed to leave the case on the explanation of the Secretary to the Treasury, had it not been for the declaration of the Right Hon. Baronet, that he would take the sense of the House on the second reading, and if he had not also thrown out some sugges tions with respect to the conduct of the Government which were not deserved. He was sure the explanation of his Noble Friend would remove any unpleasant impres sion which might have arisen. He had said there was a strong feeling on the part of the great mercantile interests of this country in favour of the measure. So far from that being an objection, it was a strong recommendation of the measure as it now stood Was it to be said that upon this alone of all financial questions, it should be an objection to a measure that the commercial and trading bodies were in favour of it?— ( Hear, hear.) He knew these parties would be greatly benefited, but it was from then, he looked for a consider able portion of that remuneration which the public would receive ; because it must be notorious, that the fraudulent conveyance of letters was chiefly by those parties, not by the poor.—( Hear, hear.) He assumed that on all sides there was a disposition to support the principle of the Bill, except upon financial grounds. The Hon. Baronet, indeed, said, that he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would not much have regretted if the plan had been lost.— (Hear, hear.) He would candidly own that he wished there had been more time for calm consideration, than they possessed now, and confessed that be could not now given that full and accurate information upon that subject which the House might perhaps expect.—( Hear, hear.) Upon the ground of finance, therefore, he felt great dis trust upon the question. But do not let any one suppose that he could have been guilty of the bad faith of bringing forward any proposition without a sincere in tention of using all the means in his power to carry it into effect. He had been charged with stating the case too strongly as to the deficiency of the revenue.—( Hear, hear.) But be considered that he should have been un warranted in withholding from the House those statements, and that he would have endangered the measure itself had he attempted to palter with the real facts of the case, and to deny the probability of a deficiency in the revenue.— ( Hear, hear.) As to the objection that the measure would give extraordinary powers to the Government, he would ask if the Legislature could provide for such a plan in all its details, until the experiment bad been tried ?—( Hear, hear.) Therefore it was that necessary, though arbi trary and unusual, powers were vested in the Treasury, to carry the plan into effect—powers which could not survive the next Session of Parliament.—( Hear, hear.) Believing that the measure would involve at first a considerable loss to the revenue, he did not think it would have been wise, constitutional, or just, in the present state of the finances of the country, to place them' in jeopardy, without previously requiring from Parliament the pledge which bad been so decisively given ; and he relied upon the good sense of the House of Commons, to make up any possible deficiency.—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the keeping up of the Parliamentary privilege of franking, he thought the Hon. Baronet, the Member for Oxford, would stand alone in desiring it—( Hear, hear)—and nothing, in his opinion, was more likely to make the measure acceptable to the public, than thus showing, by the relinquishment of the privilege, that Parliament were anxious to supply as far as possible the deficiency.— ( Hear, hear.) Official franking, he was deeply con vinced, required correction ; and he considered, upon the whole, it would be best that each department should pay its own franks.—( Hear, hear.) The communication of papers printed by Parliament must still be provided for; but care should be taken to prevent the abuse of the privilege, by the sending through the Post of those heavy and volumi nous blue books issued by the House, while there should be means for the transmission of all Bills, and every thing re lating to the legislation before Parliament. He did not think that after having on a former occasion expressed his opinions on the subject at length, it was now necessary for him to trouble the House further.—( Hear, hear. ) Sir R. PEEL said, assuming the Bill was to pass, he did not think the privilege of franking should be retained by Parliament.—( Hear, hear.) As to official franking, his experience would lead him heartily to concur in some new regulations, quite independently of this new plan, and he thought there would be advantage in requiring each de partment to pay its own postage, for habits had taken such deep root that it would be impossible to eradicate them under the present system ; yet, persons who would give a frank to serve a friend, would not probably take actually so many shillings from the public Treasury.—( Hear, hear.) He must just observe, by the bye, that there had been a vast increase of persons entitled to frank lately. —( Hear, hear.) It was monstrous too, he would observe, that every Member of Parliament should have the power of sending by post 200 or 300 of those heavy Re ports published by the two Houses ; though there should certainly be the power of transmitting to their constituents Bills, in which their local interests were concerned; still it should be recollected that the papers published by that House were now easily accessible to all.—( Hear, hear. ) The Chancellor of the Exchequer had in the course of his speech given him the fullest justification for the course which he had pursued upon this subject; the Right Hon. Gentleman had said that be wished he had possessed time for calmer consideration ; was it not his own fault that did not ?—( Hear, bear.) Suppose that the Right Hon. Gentleman had asked Parliament for time, and that he had been overborne by Parliament,—the responsibility he would not have incurred which now undoubtedly rested on him—( Hear, hear) —for if the Treasury, in spite of all dangers, persisted in incurring a fresh risk , no opposition in Parliament could resist it. He (Sir R. Peel) thought the course which the House was pursuing not creditable to it, and was persuaded that public opinion, if fairly taken, would be upon his side,—not now, certainly,—nor in two months,---but on that day when Parliament was called upon either to abandon or to fulfil the pledge which had been obtained.—( Hear, hear.) The whole pledge relied upon by the Right Honourable Gen tleman opposite, was contained in the form of a paren thesis in the preamble. There was no enactment—no recital—it merely stated " The Imperial Parliament pledging itself to make good any deficiency that may occurs in the Revenue from an alteration in the existing rates of postage." His objection to the pledge was, that it was so uncertain and so indefinite. It was liable to a variety of constructions, and few could say when Parlia ment would be justly called upon to fulfil it, The Right Honourable Gentleman opposite (the Chancellor of the Exchequer), said he foresaw there would be a deficit— that ,he expected to find in the next session the in come of the country much exceeded by the expen diture—and therefore that he now wanted to take a se curity to provide against that deficiency. So far it was definite ; he ( Sir R. Peel) could well understand this. The Right Hon. Gentleman further said that Parliament had now given a pledge which he was quite certain it would redeem. But he called upon him (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) to bear in mind the reservations which several Hon. Gentlemen had made for themselves in agreeing to that pledge.—( Hear, hear.) The Hoe. Member for Greenock, a Member of the Committee, said that he would bear his part in redeeming the pledge, but he ( Sir Robert Peel) believed the lion. Gentleman did not take the pledge in the same sense as the Right Hon. the President of the Board of Trade. He (Sir R. Peel) understood the Hon. Members for Greenock and Bridport to agree to the pledge on this construction—that if it should appear to them that a great deficiency had occurred in the revenue in consequence of the com mutation of the postage duties, them that they this fact being made quite clear to their mind, should pro ceed to consider the best means of supplying the deficiency. —(Cheers.) But the Hon. Member for Bridport did not promise to impose new taxes. He laid down two distinct contingencies. First, that there should be time enough given to see how the experiment would work; "for," said he, " it would not be f a i r t o rec k on u p on an u l t i mate defi ciency in the revenue because it fell short the first year ' • therefore, I will n o t agree t h at t h e exper i ment s h a ll h ave failed, until I see beyond a question established that there must be a permanent deficiency." The Honourable Member would not, at the earliest, agree to an ex periment of less than three years. Then, if the plan should be a prov e d f a il ure , h e wou ld not t hi n k o f imposing new taxes to supply the deficiency. He would only consider what new commercial arrange. ments might be made that should give a stimulus to the industry of the country, and be likely to supply the defi ciency at some future period.—(Mr. Warburton expressed dissent.) Did not the Hon. Member refer to the profit able results that might be expected from an alteration of the duties upon coffee and timber ?—( Cheers.) So that if at the end of three years a deficiency of 700,0001.. or 800,000/. should ar i se i n a ddition to the presentinade quacy, the Hon. Member would merely feel himself bound by his constr uc ti on o f th e pledge, by agreeing to consider some commercial arrangements likely to afford a supply. —( Cheers.) But then again some time should be allowed for the working of that second experi ment. If the fruits of a change of the law of the import duties on coffee should not be satisfactory, the Hon. Gentleman would be justified, on his own prin ciple, in saying—" Wail a little longer. If the fruits of the first quarter are not satisfactory, those of another may, when the enlarged system is matured ; but then if they should not be productive, we can consider what new t axes may be imposed." Accord in g to the liberal construction which the Honourable Gentleman prescribed to himself, he would expect them to observe the second c h ange for the first, second, and third years before it could be ad mitted that there was actually a deficie nc y to b e supplied. —.( Hear, hear.) He ( Sir Robert) had the other night stated, that independent of the deficiency in the revenue to be apprehended from a reduction of the postage duties, it was to be feared i that there would b e a permanent , defi ciency from the inadequacy of the revenue to meet the expenditure of the country. Those apprehensions were confirmed by what he had heard tonight.—( Hear.) Her Majesty's Government had th at night stated that they were bound by their duty to maintain the tranquillity of the coun try, to add 5,000 men to the regular force, thereby entail ing on the country an expense of about 150,0001. The proposed system of rural police—a measure which he feared would spread a cloud over the prospects of the country— would much increase th a t e xpense. There was a like lihood of a ve r y inc re ased permanent deficiency. He feared the deficiency of 1842 would exceed that of 1841. He would not deny the great advantage of a reduc. EVENING EDITION. tion of the postage, if he were to exclude financial con siderations. If the scheme were for a very considerable reduction of the present charges he should think it a great public benefit, and one justified by the evidence they had heard.—(Cheers.) He would not deny that immense moral, social, and mercantile advantages might be looked for from an increase of the facilities of communication be tween the different parts of the country.—( Cheers.) He only feared that Hon. Gentlemen opposite had over-estimated some of those advantages. They ought first to have collected some evidence that would enable them to form an estimate of the probable extent to which the lower classes would avail themselves of the increased facility. For instance, soldiers and sailors had been long able to send and receive letters to their friends on payment of Id. each. They were in that position which the public at large would be placed in by the proposed plan. The Right Hon. Gentleman should have ascertained to what extent these availed themselves of the advantage of their system of penny postage.—( Hear, hear.) It should also be remem bered that the abandonment of franking would limit the correspondence of the poorest classes.—( Hear, hear.) Every Hon. Gentleman knew that in their respective neighbourhoods their privilege of franking was put in re quisition on behalf of those who could not pay even Id. for the transmission of a letter.—( Hear, hear.) How. ever, it was easy to talk of redeeming pledges ; but if a greater and permanent deficiency of the revenue should be the result, what new taxes would they impose ?—(Cheers.) Suppose the reduction of the postage from an average of 60. to Id. to cause a further deficiency—then take the list of commodities and articles— malt, hops, soap, candles, tallow, sugar, molasses, tea, coffee, butter, cheese, currants, raisins, and a multitude of others—and let them ask themselves on which of those would they impose an additional tax of 1,500,000/. or 2,000 0001., notwithstanding the pledge in the preamble ? —(Cheers.) The lower classes would then say that the reduction of the postage was merely a benefit to the com mercial classes, and that, therefore, they would not agree to new taxes to be imposed on the articles they consumed. —( Cheers.) They could not remit taxes in any quarter without benefit. For, example, there were the taxes on internal communication. There were many lines of road which had suffered much by the railway faci lities, and yet they had to pay 3d. a mile for every pair of post horses. Yet the Chancellor of the Exchequer would not listen to any proposition to reduce the tax on these lines. He (Sir R. Peel) had not intended to vote on this question ; but being certain that a system of well consi. dered economy, that the maintenance of the public faith, was the true " magnum vectigal regni," and the best example he could furnish to other nations, he was deter mined to protest against this proposition, as certaia to be highly injurious in those points of view, and as likely to be a most dangerous precedent. Suppose a General Elec tion were to occur—suppose petitions were to pour in calling for remission of other taxes, would not the conces sion of the present demand—would not the Government of the day be encouraged to indulge an ambition to remit other taxes, and get a pledge from Parliament to supply any deficiency, whichltheir successors would have to make good.—(Cheers.) If his Hon. Friend should divide the House he would vote with him, but probably he would not call for a division, as the feeling of the House was towards the proposition of her Majesty's Government.—( Hear.) _ _ Mr. 'WARBURTON - referred to the increased number of admissions to the Tower since the price had been re duced from Is. to 6d. each, as an illustration of what might be expected from a reduction of the postage. During the month of April, when the price was Is., the average admis sion was 110 a day. In Mav and June, when the price was 6d., the average was 364 daily ; during the present month it was 470. The rates of postage oppressed the emigrants in Canada very much. By increasing the facilities for cor respondence in France the postage revenue in that country had been advanced from 20,000,000 to 35,500,000 francs. Mr. Rowland Hill had given a detailed statement of the various sources from which the sixfold increase to which he had adverted would arise ; and he must confess that his calculations were extremely moderate. He had said that there would be double the ■umber of letters; that ho (Mr. W.) thought was very likely. Mr. Hill then calculated that all invoices, instead of being sent as parcels, would be sent by post, and that would greatly increase the num ber of letters. Printed circulars would increase the letters sent through the post 75 per cent. ; and a similar result would take place from the letters written by the working classes, and other sources. He felt no doubt that in three years the result would come up to, if it did not exceed his expectations. With respect to the accusation against the Chancellor of the Exchequer in not putting the measure off to another Session, in order that he might have more information on the subject, he did not see how the Chan cellor of the Exchequer could have better data on which to proceed, than he had at present. The measure was a bold experiment, but he felt no doubt that it would succeed. Mr. ELLIOTT would state as a fact, showing that the reduction of postage would increase the number of letters, that when he was at the Post• office in India the soldiers and sailors' letters, which only paid a penny postage, came to the office in numbers that was surprising. With re spect to the repayment of the postage he could not say that he much admired it, as he thought it would take away all the checks that at present existed upon the letter carriers, and with respect to the stamps he thought the same objection might prevail. Mr. HUM E thought there could be no doubt that there would be a reduction in the revenue occa sioned by the Bill, but that reduction would not be permanent, and even if it were, there would be SO much good effected by the measure that that reductioa ought not to be considered. The Bill was a bold experi ment, but he felt certain that it would succeed. Every class in the community would be benefited by the Bill, and he thought the Chancellor of the Exchequer was entiled to the thanks of the public for introducing it. The Bill was then read a second time. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in proposing that the Bill should be committed on Wednes day, stated that it was his intention to move the different stages of the Bill daily after Wednesday, in order to get it as speedily as possible into the House of Lords.-- ( Hear, hear.) The moment the Bill became law it was the intention of the Government to renew their intercourse with Foreign Powers to reduce their rates of postage. After a few words from Mr. W. ROCHE the Bill was ordered to he committed on Wednesday next. ' FIRE INSURANCES. • On the motion that the House do resolve into a (,'out• mittes of Supply— Colonel Sill - THOR P rose to bring forward the mo tion of which he had given notice for the reduction of duty on fire insurances. He could not understand on what prin ciple it was this duty had been continued when the Chan cellor of the Exchequer had taken off the duty that existed on the balsam of copaiba. —( Laughter.) The duty on rhubarb and castor oil had also been reduced.—( Laughter. ) The tax on human hair had been abolished—he believed that was effLeted by a Whig Government.—(Laughter.) The duty on cards and dice, raisins, anchovies, FrenellP wines, &c., have been reduced, but the revenue had not suffered by it. He believed the revenue would benefit by the reduction of the duty on Fire Insurances. To show bow strongly this tax was felt, he would mention that notwithstanding the increase of population and manufac ture:, only one additional Fire Insurance Office had been established since 1827, and that was what was called the Dissenters' Insurance Office. Mr. HUME seconded the motion. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would not occupy the House many minutes, because every Nee l " ber must be aware of the answer which would be g i ven to the motion of the Gallant Colonel. Nothing was more simple than to show that taxation was productive of mis chief. It had been said with respect to this tax that It was a tax on prudence and forethought, and must discourage those habits whi c h a Legislature ought to wish to support.—( Hear, hear, hear.) But the Fire Insurance amounted to 892,0001., and he tboughi the House ought not to be called on to make this addi tional experiment.—( Hear.) It might be expedient, if the circumstances of the country would allow it, to mak e this reduction, but it would not be consistent with his duty to the public to countenance such a reduction for the pre sent. The Gallant Officer had referred to various reduc tions which had taken place, but he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) must be excused from entering into there. At the time when they were making such an experinsellt, as had been the subject of disc uss i on i n t h e ear li er p a rt 0' the evening, it could not be expected that they should go round the whole circle of taxation, and experimentallze on the whole. He trusted he had said enough to induce the House not to acquiesce in the proposal which had been made. Mr. HUME had seconded the motion in order that he might hear from the Chancellor of the E l ' chequer why he declined to agree to the ow' tion. He confessed that the experiment of the Chancellor of the Exchequer was a bold one, and be was not willing to incumber him with any additional experi ment; but he thought it more than probable that if the duties on fire insurance were reduced to one-half, the public would not lose one farthing.—( Hear, hear.) Many properties were not now insured which would be if the duty were reduced.—( Hear, hear.) Colonel S IBTH ORP said he should not press his mo tion, which was csnsequently negatived without a division. INTERNAL COMMUNICATION. Mr. GI LL ON then rose to move that the House resolv e itself into Committee of the whole House, to take into consideration the duties affecting the different means of i a G r Great n t Britain : xt _‘ the, , T w hd i at dot t y f a r 00l a after view internalproposing of t he first c rt m sht m e m u noildayo followingati n resolutions of October i m posed by the 2d and 3d Willli am IV. c. 120, upon licenses to keep and use, or employ stage carriages, also, the mileage duties on stage carriages, and the duties on horses let to hire, be repealed." " That, from and after the sth day of April next, the duties imposed by the acts 52 Geo. 3, c. 93, and 4 Geo. 4, c. 11, of 51. ss. per an num upon four-wheeled carriages, and 31. bs. per annum upon two-wheeled carriages, let for hire, and also the du ties on coachmen and guards employed on or about stage carriages, be repealed ; and there be granted in lie u thereof a Lice nse Duty on stage carriages of 75. 6d. Also for and in respect of every mile which any stage car riage may be licensed to travel, the several sums follow; ing : —lf suc h carr i ag e shall be licensed t o car ry not more than six passengers, one halfpenny; and for every four. additional passengers which such carriage shall be licens e d to carry, one halfpenny. And if the number of additional passengers which such carriage shall be licensed to t c h a e s soy, for r al a r t: y o t n b u e f m be o r u r, of passengers p a tl as ea multiple o f four, less four,ran, four, in addition to the first six, or any Pr 4re i s f: sive multiple of four, an additional duty of cue ha penny. And also the dutie s on h orses l e t o n hire , that is to say, for and in respect of every horse let for hire , for every mile such horse shall be hired or used to travel or go, one halfpenny. And for and in respect of every horse let for hire to go no greater distance than eight miles from the place of letti ng —one-fourteenth part of the sum charged for such letting; or, in lieu thereof (at the option of the person letting the horse), seven-pence. And _ for and in respect of every horse let for hire to go no greate r distance than eight miles from the place of letting, whe re . such horse shall not bring back any person, and shall n ot deviate from the usual line of road between the place of letting and the place to which such horse shall be hired I. to travel or go, four-pence. And for and in respect °, every horse let for hire or used for any period 0'