The Sun. — London, England, 1839-03-05 00:00:00

Ey J E ING EDITION '-'. 3 Cite eapeake , and of the Pelican over the Argus. , T' ais ha d produced l, d. gam , aw on the British navy effects the more ‘,ll, e,,w((aitnild Menttethe re were no other instance of this effect, t . returrosi, at the the fact that when the Duke of Wel to an .victoriew - - conclusion of the war, after having I the- -Nob the most important in the history of the world, ' e r Juke landed at the same time with Capt. Brohe ; i 7 , nd welt''. .vas the effect that these disasters had produced, that i . q t " . . Brohe, who bad won this single frigate action, \ 4 : -3 r .` calved with a s much popular applause as the victor () :, 4 nundred fights. This ought to have proved to the A ( ' eniraltv the state of humiliation to which the British 0 ag had been reduced ; but if this state of things existed at the close of the American war, did it not call on all con nected with the Admiralty to watch the present state of ' the navies of foreign Powers? The navy of France had vastly increased, and their naval officers were men superior to what they ever had been. The American navy had ' proceeded, and not gone back. These circumstances called for the attention of the Admiralty. He had no 1 hesitatio n i n asse rting—for he did it on the authority of some of the most distinguished naval officers in the service— ', that the present state of the navy was molt disgraceful. The peace complements of the crews of her Majesty's navy are absolutely too small for active service. Ilia brother, Captain Berkeley, had read letters from vas risers distinguished officers on this subject; he would read ets from the letters of these officers, and throw him the protection of the House, because inasmuch as was impossible for him to state the names of those offi cers to the House—for seeing what his brother, Captain Berkeley, had suffered—he could not expose his friends to 'he hornet's nest which he had raised at the Admiralty.— ( Hear, hear.) Ile would read to the House extracts from letters from five of these officers, and he would then place the names before the Gallant Admiral, who would uederatand the value of the testimony, and the distin geished position in which these officers were placed. The first extract which he would read would be from an extract of a letter called No. I—a letter which was not addressed to Captain Berkeley, but to a third person. [The Hon. 7,lember here read an extract which expressed a hope that Captain Berkeley would succeed in his endeavours, which were absolutely necessary for the good of the naval service—that it wa disgraceful to see the state of our ships, Which were not half-manned, and would not hear compari aon with ships of other nations—and that it was disgraceful to see such heavy masted ships with such small comple ments, that they were obliged frequently to have out the crew to do duty which the watch ought to be able to do alone—that almost all the ships were manned by an infe rior description of men, who would not have been received at the last war.l He would next read them an extract from No. 2. [Tlie Hon. Member here read the extract alluded to, which stated that the writer had always advocated the plan proposed by Captain Berkeley of manning the navy, aed without which it would not be in an efficient state.] The extract from the third letter stated that the ships ,re inadequately manned. The fourth letter expressed ,o accordance of the writer with Captain Berkeley's opi -7,:.,:). The hat extract which he should make to the House e a; from a Gallant Officer on fareign service ; and he trusted that the strong, yet homely, manner in which that officer expressed himself, would produce some effect upon the [The Hon. Member here read the extract, which _ter stating the opinions of the writer were in accordance aith Captain Berkeley on the subject of manning the navy, proceeded as follows ;—‘b We had the other day a s , ip belonging to a foreign navy here ; we furled sails to gether, and they gave us such a dusting, that for the sake of the honour of our Navy, I made an excuse to unbending mils and keep them below until our friends had left us."] Now, he put it to the House, whether Gallant Officers should be exposed to such mortification es this, and whe ther it was not disgraceful that gallant officers and gallant teen should be exposed to be treated in this manner ? He would now come to the resignation of his brother to his seat at the Admiralty Board. A Noble Lord who had f ernerly been at the head of the Admiralty, had statedain another place, that he, although he agreed in many respects with the sentiments contained in Capt. Berkeley's published letter, yet he could not approve of members or secr e t ar i es ; and laa would say likewise, that the complements of the ships had been increased nearly in the manner he had pointed out. While this was in doubt, and while discussion was going on, his brother aea Using every exertion in his power, as well ,at ; for the task he had undertaken was by no means al easy one, for he was met by difficulties every where ; in short he might say, Ego sum indefessus agendo, sed non nova pe.ctis adest.—( Hear, hear.) His brother thought that a, the secretary was privy to all the deliberations that had taken place, he might express his dissent to them of the COUTS , ' pursued at the Board of the Admiralty ; and when he found he did not agree with his colleagues he resigned. The sacrifices his brother had made were welcome to him, beeeuze by them he had obtained a great benefit for the navy. Sir THOMAS TROWBRIDGE rose for the purp o se c (let%) ing that any necessity existed for the complaint deb had been made by the Hon. and Gallant ',)ember Chippenharn. The marines had been placed upon a log with sailors, and were now entitled, t o a p ens i on in 7 service, and they were also ent'aled to pensions ding to any injuries that they might have received in the se, %ice. He wished merely to estate this, because it might be supposed, from what had been stated by the Gallant Officer opposite, that the Ae.mirelty had not taken tee claims of the marines into cansideratien. He regretted exceedingly that his Hon. Friend?, the Member for Bristol, should' have touched upon this subject till his Hon. Friend, the Secretary for the Adruiralty, had introduced the Navy Estimates, because he ( Sir T. Trowbridge) felt convinced that the statements that he would make would have put him right upon many points. Being one of the Board, and coat who had been a colleague with Captain Berkeley, ho eoefesaed that he ilia not expect that he should have stood ' in that House and have been accused of being a mem .bor of a hornet's nest. (Considerable laughter.) He could assure the Honourable Member that there were t 0 hornets' nests at the Admiralty. No persons ever worked better together than the different officers of that establish !neat; and he firmly believed that when the facts were fairly hnown to die public, Captain Berkeley would regret that be b a d l e ft t h em at all.—(Laughter.) That, however, ens Casaain Berkeley's own affair. lie could not now, and never could, agree to large war complements in the thee of peace; he agreed that there should be some in.. crease in the complements, but whether they should be captains or lieutenants he would not now say ; but he thought that when the House was made acquainted with Vie scale of men now put into the ships in commission he t ;ought the House would be satisfied that there was no close for complaint. His Hon. Friend bad contradicted , himself in sonic material points—he had stated that the eomplements had been disapproved of in every way, end for a long period. Now the fact was that the complements had been revised by a Commit tee of Naval Members; that Committee had been renewed in 1837, and at that time the complements were altered. The change of armament in h er M a j esty ' s ships h a d b een go i ng on for some time, and it was found impossible to make those changes without experiments ; those experiments had only just been completed, and there fore when the armament was changed upon those experi ments, was the properptime to tiring forward the complaint with respect to them. He would not now enter into the question of the change of those armaments, becatese his Hon. Friend the Secretary of the Admiralty, would do it much better than he could. He would only say that be did not hear that ill-will to Captain Berkeley which his Hon. Friend the Member for Bristol seemed to suppose he entertained. He bad seen Captain Berkeley since tgnation, and he was now convinced that et acted as he would have done, if be had h a d a ,:e more consideration.—(" No, no," from Mr. Berkeley,) He ( Sir T. Trowbridge) teintended that he had a right to make the statement be bad done, because he - had it from Captain Berkeley hirsaaelf that he ought to have resigned first, and written, his pamphlet after warda.—( Hear, hear.) Sir GEORGE CLERK 'agreed with the Gallant Admir a l o p pos i te t h at the Hoes, Member for Bristol should have waited till t h e S ecterary of the Admiralty had brought forward the Navy; ?estimates, before he made the statements he had doree.—( _ h. considered that the state Hear, hear.) He, however, C ippenham were ments of the Hon. Member for House. If he ur worthy ofthe consideration of the Lord, the Secresnary ':rerstood what bad fallen from the Noble had now b ‘ ee at-War, the Soldier and the Marine rar'iaced on a much better footing • for the were entitis,dafter twenty-one years' service, to ' a pension y of 11d. or. 'ls. a.day. He was glad to hear this, as he ak'a.l's 'acid it to be unwise and. that th a e ny difference should be ma a s . e Thie l easween the Marine Seaman.—( Hear. ) e timer was one most injudicious, and ill-principled; or} considering that his late Majesty had always felt a great 'pal tiality for the marine corps, it did seem to him ( Sir G. Clerk) to be a rather ungracious measure, to make this harsh regulation, which came into operation on the very day of her present Majesty's accession. SirE. CO DR INGTON wished first to state thus much, that he could vouch for the high character of the officers of the corps. Mr. F. H. BERKELEY said the Hon. Member for Sandwich, in stating that Captain Berkeley had written the pamphlet, because he resigned, was mistaken. His ( 7dr. Berkeley's) brother could never have said any such ;.eep.—(Laughter—for when he wrote the pamphlet he ,', sa not know that he was writing in opposition to the Ad miralty, hut in answer to Sir John Barrow's supplemental chapter to his Life of Lord Anson. And, of course, when told that he had been writing in opposition to the Admi ralty, he, like an honourable man, immediately resigned. Captain GORDON said he regretted that a subject possessing so much importance should have been brought forward in such a way, that the sense of the House could Lot be taken on the question.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. lIORSMAN wished to draw the attention of the :Admiralty to that great abuse in the navy—that of impress ment.—(Cries of " Question," and " Hear, hear.") Un less the Government showed a disposition to attend to this subject, he should at no distant period bring it forward. Mr. lIUME, being asked by the Speaker if be would divide, said he should.—(ob, oh.) No answer, in his opinion, had been given to his statements. Mr. T. ATT WOOD said he had often had tocall the at • t eition of the House to the eecroachments of Russia, whowas at the bottom of all the proceedings, either in Africa, Asia, or America, against the English interests and honour. Now everybody knew that Russia had a formidable fleet in , the Baltic, which fleet might now, perhaps be detained by the. ice : but what security bad England that in the course of next summer Russia would not find it convenient to pick a quarrel with her, and had we a fleet competent to meet the Russian force ? He (Mr. Attwood) cared not whether Russia was our friend or enemy, but in either case we ought not to suffer her to acquire power to injure us, and thus deliver into her hands the dominion of the seas. He believed that when the ice in the Baltic broke 11 P, England would be in very great danger, and therefo re i t Was that though b e k new hi s gallant countrymen would do their duty whenever they were called upon, yet he protested against their lives being needlessly sacrifice& —( Hear, bear.) He protested against English ships half -manned being exposed to meet Rus alaan ships full manned. He never wished the British Navy to be exhibit e d b ut on fa i r and reasonable terms, an d Could not bear the idea of five, eight, or ten English men of-war having to meet a Russia!' fleet of w t t • sail of-the-line. He wish e d to knew what theeeYl twenty-six Admiralty in tended to do on the subject ? Mr. WARBURTON said be hoped his Hon. Friend extra Tiouse e ra i,9, foti for I h]s resi had r. the Member for Kilkenny would not divide the House.— ( Hear, bear.) Mr. C. WOOD said he hoped his Hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham would not thing him disrespect ful in saying that had he been allowed to go on with public business, he should have answered by anticipation a great deal of what had been advanced.—( Hear.) Mr. BROUGHTON said he must protest against the tone which some Members had adopted upon this subject in this discussion. It was much easier to get into a war than to get out of one —( Cheers.) There might be a de claration of war by the Creivn, but it was the manufacturers and labourers who had to bear the expenses.—( Hear, hear.) When the Hon. Member for Kilkenny ; spoke of the heavy burdens entailed upon the country, it was net well to hear the tone of some of the naval and military officers in that House, who seemed quite willing to entail fresh expenses on the country, and he thought the Go vernment ought not to be led away by their statements, but ought rather to encourage the arts of peace than to produce the miseries of war. 111 r. HOME would not divide the House then, but would reserve to himself the right of doing 40 rjri a future occasion. SLAVE TRADE. Captain PE C HE LL said it would be in the recollection of the House, that at the close of last Session an Act was r a3sed,enabling the Treasury to advance bounty money inthe shape of tonnage on all vessels captured, that had not slaves on board. He was given to understand that that Act was rendered useless and inoperative, and that the Treasury Lords refused to entertain the demand, and he wished to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether that was the case ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had never heard of such a complaint before, but would inquire into the circumstances. The House then went into Committee on the NAVY ESTIMATES. Mr. C. WOOD said, that on former occasions when he had the honour of offering the estimates to the House, he bad considered it necessary to occupy but a short period of its time, and he had done so not from any un willingness to afford information, on any subject connected with the department to which he belonged, but because he was unwilling to trespass unnecessarily on the atten• tion of the Hon. Gentlemen, and because he believed that by saving time he would be best consulting their conve nience. On the present occasion however, it would be necessary for him to pursue a very different course. He need hardly recall to the recollection of Hon. Gentlern-n; that for the last six months, unceasing attacks have been made against the Naval department, and statements had been issued from the press representing the state of our naval force to be one of the greatest destitution.—( Hear, hear.) It was not to be supposed that those who were so deeply implicated in this question, could have been indifferent to what had taken place, or that they had not suffered from these statements having gone forth uncontradicted ; but they believed that in that House alone was it meet for those who represented public de partments, and who had a seat in that [louse, to defend their conduct.—( Hear, bear). He knew that that oppor tunity would be at last afforded ; and, deeply as he felt his incompetency to the duty, he had looked. forward with no slight anxiety to that occasion for endeavouring to vin dicate their character, and to remove from the minds of the people of this country those very natural impressions to which the Hon. Member for East Kent alluded the other night, and which were very naturally formed by a people so jealous of their maritime power. He was afraid he must draw somewhat largely on their attention, but in the position in which he was placed, he was compelled to throw himself on the attention of the House, and the same statements and the same arguments that were necessary for their vindication were those which he trusted would remove from the public mind any apprehension and any idea which, naturally enough, though without reason, they had enter tained as to the efficiency of our naval force. The charges that had been made against the Government for the last six months certainly were not those which the Hon. Mem ber for Kilkenny had made that evening. They had been charged with having lowered the efficiency of the naval ser vice, and they were afraid to come to the House to ask for money, and in the language of one of the Tory papers, a shameful reduction bad been made by the present Ministry, in the Navy. His answer to that was simple, and he trusted it would be satisfactory. They had made no reduction in any expenditure affecting the efficiency of the Navy : on the contrary, they had made considerable increases. Then they bad been accused of reducing the number of men. The estimates of 1835 gave 17,500 men and boys. The estimates of 1836 (the first he bad the honour of moving), gave 22,500 men and boys, exclusive of the ordinary. They had been accused of re ducing the naval force. On the Ist of January, 1835, there were eleven sail of the line in commission ; on the Ist of January, 1839, there were twenty. ( Hear, hear. ) They had bees accused of reducing the work in the dockyards. The vote for labour, in 1835, was 300,000/. ; the vote, in 1838, was 384,0001.—( Cries of " Hear.") They had been accused, by their reductions, of creating discontent in the minds of the dock-yardsmen. The yearly earnings of shipwrights in 1835 were 52/ , in 1838 621. Bs. Last year the Government was accused of re ducing the stores. The vote for stores in 1835 was 383,0001.; the vote for stores in 183 M was 593,0001. He was astonished, as he thought the Committee must be, that measures such as these should have been termed reduc tions. True it was that reductions should be made, but they were not made by the present Government. The number of men was reduced by the Tory Government of the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth. The present Government had been accused of reducing the Marine Artillery, but that reduction was made in 1832. They had been accused of reducing the number of men employed in the dock-yard, but that reduction was first made by the Duke of Wellington, and afterwards by the Right Hon. Baronet the .member fur Pembroke. .......... ..... .......e. e..e. A reduction in the vote for stores was made also by that Right Hon. Baronet, and still more by the Government of the Right Hon. Member for Tamtvorda He would not give an opinion upon those reductions. They were not made by the present Government, but were made by the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Pembroke, who received great credit at the time, and most justly, for having made those reductions, The blindness of party spirit had re ferred to all these reduction in one indiscriminate censure, and that censure was directed against those who had not Made the reduction. The present Government had in creased the number of men nearly thirty per cent. They nearly doubled the number of ships of the line in com mission—they had increased the number of men in the dock-yards nearly thirty per cent., and had increased the provisions and stores to fifty or sixty per cent. Blame might be cast on the Government. It might be said, even as the Hon. Member for Kilkenny would say, that the increase in the establishment was too great--but let not such an absurdity be committed as to say they had been guilty of reducing the efficiency of the Navy when ! such increases bad been made.—( Cheers.) For what he had done he was perfectly ready to bear censure, if his conduct deserved it—but as it would be unworthy in hire to claim credit for many of those measures which the Right Hon. Baronet justly deserved credit for, so it would he unjust that he should receive censure for the actions of others. He wished therefore to say, with respect to this general charge, that he had referred to documents which showed the real state of the case. He had derived no peculiar information from a mere possession of office; but the documents he had referred to were the estimate, of the past two years, which had been in the hands of every lion. Member, and which must or ought to have been in the hands of those who had made these charges. He was ready, as every man in public life must be, to be cen sured for what he had done, and to have what he had done misrepresented ; but he did not complain on his own part, and which was of still more importance, on the part of the public, who had been deceived, that those who professed to guide and instruct the public mind had, in their anxiety to injure their political opponents, totally forgot both dates and facts, and that the assertions they had made should be so totally wide of the truth. So far then as to the general charge against them of hav ing reduced the navy ; they had not reduced it in any one single item. lie was perfectly aware that this answer would not satisfy the House, and that he must go into full details of the expenditure, and in doing so he would take them in the order in which they appeared in the expendi ture. The first and great head of expenditure to which he would call the attention of the Committee was the num ber of men upon which of course depended the great strength of the Navy. In the last Session of Parliament it might be remembered that the Duke of Wellington called the attention of the House of Lords to the reduced state of the Navy. He complained that the Navy of this country was in too weak a state; but with the candour which always attached to him, he did not say that any blame attached to the Admiralty. He blamed those indi viduals who thought proper to reduce the establish ment so far that protection could not be afforded when wanted. 110 at least did justice to the Govern ment. Not so those who, following up the cry, bad for the last six months attributed the whole of the reduc tion to the present Government. The charges had been made at after-dinner speeches—( Cheers)—and the usual organs of the opinions of Hon. Gentlemen opposite; and all those charges were, that the present Government had made all these reductions. Now, let them look at a few figures. From 1818 to 1824 the average number of men voted was 15,000—from 1824 to IE3I the average was from 20,000 to 21,000, including the Coast Blockade. In 1831 the highest vote of men that had been taken in a time of peace was taken under a Whig Administration, and under the auspices of the Right Hon. Baronet, the Memberfor Pem broke. The Coast Blockade was taken from the Esti mates for the Navy, 'and the vote was taken for 18,000 men, and so it continued till 1834. In that year the Hon, Baronet, wishing to introduce boys into the service, re duced the vote of men 500; and taking the usual calculation that two boys were equal to one man, he added 1,000 boys ; so that the vote taken in that year was 17,500 men, and 1,000 boys equal to 18,000 teen. Then came the Government of the Right Honourable Baronet for Tamworth, which greetly reduced the Navy, and boasted of it.—( Cheers.) He was sorry that he did not see the lion. Member for Dorset, who said the Whigs had re duced the expenditure upon the',Navy; but that the country had not suffered, in consequence of the return of the To. ries, who had made a reduction upon the Whig estimates of 4 ,000 men, upon full wages; but in consequence of the success attending the experiment of the Right Hon. Baronet, they had added more boys; but the actual reduc tion amounted to 1,500 men. In the the next year the Whig Government added 5.000 men to the number.— ( Hear, hear, and cheers. )--The Right Hon. Baronet ( Sir J. Graham) expressed his disapprobation of the reduction made by the Government of the Right Hon. Baronet, the ' Nlember for Tamworth. That reduction was made by the Tories, who accused the present Government of doing so —(Cheers)—and that reduction was apposed by the Whigs.--( Hear, hear.) He would have been glad to have heard upon what ground that reduction had been made. He, however, knew that when the Whigs in creased the Navy, the Duke of Wellington expressed his approbation of what had been done. Then what, he would ask. was the difference in the state of Europe in the !ears 1835 and 1836 ? He knew of no difference ; yet the Government of 1835 reduced the Navy much below 1 its present strength, and now blamed the present Govern ment for their own fault. If he had had any doubt upon the matter, it was set at rest by the epeech el a Noel° THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, MARCH 5, 1839. Lord who sat at the Admiralty Board in 183 a. He said that the pressure for econerey was so great ,that it was impossible to resist it; and he very frankly confessed that the number of men which was then proposed was much too small, and that he deeply regretted it.--( Hear, hear.) Now Wokild Honourable Gentlemen call to mind the 'l!,tosa earns of reproach which had been heaped tipian the present Government Truck ling to the whims of the Hon. Member fur Kilkenny- 7 courting low popularity, &c.—were the most ;e.,ntle teribs of reproach th a t were h eape d upon Ahern !et such a long period ; yet all was .thre*r‘ itWay, because there was in fact PO foundation 'or the abuse. He would have been sorry to htive made such charges against any one. He appealed to Gentlemen on either side of the House, to whom the censure ought most justly to be applied?—(Heara bear.) To them, who had increased the navy, of to those who bad reduced it—( Cheers)-:-to those now in office, or to those who acknowledged that the number of men they sought was too small, but that the pressure for economy was ,so great, that they could not withstand it.—( Cfsee!ti..! ,so the present Government, who had l'epallted the blunder of the former one, were held bp to the execration of the country by all the clans of the party opposite. Attacks were wttitten which it made him blush to know w a re writ ten by Englishmen.—( Oh !) In former times English writers were proud of their own institutions, and all that was English; but of late the preference had been given to all that was foreign. The attacks of late were in a very different spirit--a spirit which went to depreciate in as great a degree as possible everything that was English. The grossest misrepresentations had seen sent forth re specting all matters concerning the Navy.—( Cheers. ) When such statements were put forward, of course no one could be surprised that there was much apprehension throughout the country as to the effect which they might have upon foreign nations. He was very sorry that they had been put forward, though he had no fear of the effect of the unfounded statements upon foreign nations ; nor that in consequence of them they would use language, which under other circnmstances they would not do. There was no foreign Power which had the slightest information upon the subject, but bad a clearer notion and more accurate in formation upon the whole question than the writers of those publications. They were in possession of the facts of the ease, and the most careless of them were in possession of better informaticn than those whosobasely libelled the Government. And he must say further, that as to some of those who had written with a full knowledge of the documents to which he had alluded—who had even in their works referred to publications containing accurate information, and after that stated that which was untrue—that without meaning to use any harsh expressions, it was conduct which he could qualify in little milder terms than wilful misrepresenta. tion. A great deal had been said as to the largeness of fo reign navies, and the lowness of our own. He proposed to refer to both these; and first he would allude to the state of the French navy, which had been described to night as most formidable. He had no wish to say other wise than that he believed that statement to be true, but whets he saw it in a pamphlet which excited no little attention in the world—a pamphlet containing state ments of various sorts, more especially with regard to the French navy, with an appearance of accuracy calculated to impose on those who knew nothing about it—he was surprised to see that a person who had better means of information should fall into such a gross mistake. His first statement was that France had 57 sail of the line ; and he gave a list of the names of the ships, and the number of the guns they carried. The Committee would hardly believe that out of these 57 sail, nine were broken up, lost, or burnt—( Hear, hear)—three were hulks, one was a school ship, and 22 were building. So that out of 57, he was wrong by no less than 35.—( Cheers and laughter. ) He had been attacked for saying there were 20 sail of the line at sea. To prove this position, he was candid enough to give a list of the 20 ships by name. That was the way in which he dealt with our fleet. How did he deal with the French fleet? He said they had 22 sail of the line actually at sea. The fact was, they had ten ; and he made the whole of this state ment, quoting from a most able and elaborate report which contained the whole of the accurate information which he so grossly misrepresented. Now there was no excuse whatever with regard to the French navy, for they carried publicity even to a fault, to their own detriment, and yet with these documents, to which he had referred in his book, he had made these gross mis-statements.—(Ye ar , hear.) There was no disguise whatever about the French., fleet. They had 22 ships, not at sea hut afloat, i nc l u di ng those in ordinary, and 27 building—he ( Mr. W.) referred to ships of the line—making 49. Their active force for 1838 was 8 sail of the line. As to the American navy the officers knew that they consisted of formidable but it was a great mistake to suppose it was much more formidable now than a few years ago. There had been in that country, a 3 in this, great complaints about the neglect of the navy. The American force was pre cisely the same as a few years back. They had 7 ships of the line afloat, and four building; and they had eight frigates afloat and six building.—( Sir J. Graham here made a remark, which was not heard in the gallery.) if the Right Hon. Baronet would refer to the report of the Secretary of the American Navy, he would find the state. merit to be ac.urate. There were two ships of the line in commission, three ready for sea, two in want of repair, four on the stocks, four frames delivered, and eleven frames contracted for to be delivered in 1841.—( Hear, hear.) Did the Right Hon. Baronet mean to say when he (Mr. \V.) stated there were four ships building, he ought to have included the timber yet growing, which was not to be delivered into the yards before 1841 ?—( Cheers.) Now, to show that there was as much complaint there as here of the want of vessels, he would refer to a short extract from the report of the Secretary of the Navy, to which he had alluded. It appeared,from this that the Act of Congress of 1837, authorised the President to employ thirty vessels for the purpose of affording relief to merchantmen in distress, but that, owing to the want of proper vessels at the disposal of Government, the steam-ship Fulton was the only one now available for the service. —( Hear. ) He now came to that bug-bear of his Hon. Friend, the Rusian Navy, and certainly he believed, from the accounts in the newspapers; that his Hon. Friend would seem to have inoculated the whole country with this fear arid hatred of the Russian Navy. The accounts of the Russian Navy had been much exaggerated, and the Admiralty were accused as the only persons ignorant or careless upon the subject. He (:Mr. W.) could not expect that anything which fell from hint should he borne in recollection by anybody, but he would refer the Members of the Committee to a speech which he made in opening the Estimates of 1836, when he stated as one of the grounds on which he asked an increase of force, the state of the Russian Navy, and he stated, accu rately, the number of ;hips in the Baltic and the Black Sea. What was the reception he met with? He was taunted by the Right Hon. Bart., the Member for Tamworth with hav ing made a speech calculated to excite alarm, and the tear of hostilities—( Hear)—and yet these things were brought forward in every shape as an attack upon the Admiralty for being ignorant of that which he had stated in this House, and which the Hon. Member for Pembroke stated a year before the pamphlet of Commander Craufurd was pub lished, which had so much enlightened the country.-- ( Cheers.) The Russian Navy had 28 sail of the line on the Baltic, of which 18 were seventy-fours, and ten in the Black Sea—that again these vessels were so remarkable, that it was impossible to depend on a ship from one year to another. This being the force of the Russian fleet, which from the very nature of the service was kept always ready for sea, he would, if the Hon. Member for Birming ham insisted upon it, admit that if, without warning, with out provocation, in a time of profound peace—Russia chose to make an attack upon this country, regardless of the fear ful vengeance we might exact—( Cheers)—the probability was, she might do much injury. He would say that if, in the time of profound peace, France landed a force on this coast, it be some time before we collected an adequate force to oppose it. But were these dangers that any prudent man thought it necessary to guard against? He should like to know whether the line of guard-ships, which had been so much talked about, would be a defence against 28 Russian sail of the line?—( Cheers.) If third of their force, and now they had 20 sail of the line, and Russia 43, being the orill pariod since 1817 when they had about half the amount a the Russian force, ..Sn far; thi;refore the lr were in, a .better position to ith reiVbet to that country than they bad Lebn 1817. They had now a larger fOree ilian Wati ever main tained in that country, during the time of peace, 15owwith respect to thp numb,cr of menr-,!th,p vote, i-las 14,70, and the hi'gheit Tory vote was in 18:10, when they had 14,000 4.otbd ; setting the Ordnance against the Coast blockade, the increase would be found little less than 4,000 men. casioned by a variety of tatis'es:LL:p. ‘ tre4 deal depended cm the character of the officers. Some otticeri eMployed m'ad'e a Se lection of those men who offered themseli. ?, and we're mote the country was to be protected against such a force— if the arguments used were just and true, the Com mittee must see that it was a question not for a department to decide—not even for Government to de cide—it was for the country—it was the question whether we should have peace or war. He should recommend the Hon. Gentleman, before be proceeded to recommend such a course as that, to calculate the cost.—( Hear, hear.) It would not be a question of a few sail of the line—it would not be a question of a few thousand men, or a few hundred thousand pounds, but it would be a question of millions. It would require at least fifteen sail of the line to put the country in that state of defence which the Hon. Gentle man bad recommended. Every statesman in that a; well as foreign countries might be wrong, and a war establishment in time of peace might be right, but it was incumbent upon the advocates of that system to show that all these states.. men were wrong in the course they had pursued. A curious document had been put into his hand a few days ago, from which he would read an extract to the House. It was a private memorandum presented to Louis the XVth by the Duke de Choiseul.—( Hear, Lear.) The object was to point out the best mode of putting down the maritime superiority of England. The secret scheme of the Duke, which was to destroy not only the navy but the resources of this country, was to keep her in a state of feverish excitement and apprehension —to compel her to exhaust her strength in war establishments.-s-( Hear, hear)—and never to afford her by actual war an opportu nity of dispelling the bug-bear.—( Hear, aid laughter.) o and The Duke de Choiseul , no insignificant minister f a foreign power, might have been wron g —Lor d Grenville might have been wrong, and after al l it mightb o e ve r r i n g m ht er t i o t keep up in time of peace a war esta blishment. When the establishedwHhoeunsethhaedcoreucnotgryniwseedntanwdiththemint, t that h principle, Government would do its best to go with them, but until t'aat time came they were of opinion that it was best to remain as they were.—(Hear, hear.) Now, if they were not to have a war establishment, then the amount of force to be kept up must depend upon the further or nearer prospect of war, and the state of their relations with foreign powers, of which the Ministry must be tb e judges. So strongly did he feel that, that he thought the Hon. G en _ tlemen opposite were entitled to some creitit for the reduc tions they had made. Believing, however, that it was not for the honour of the country that the Navy should be left in the state the Right Honourable Gentleman had , left it, the present Administration proposed an in. crease of the Navy, which they th , mght adequate to the exigency of the time. Circumstances had not changed since then, and that was file ground on which they proposed for the present year the same vote as for the last two years.—( Hear.) It might be some consola tion even to his Hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham to know that there had been no serious increase in the Russian fleet since times long gone by—at least 40 years ago. In 1787 Russia had 45 sail of the line ; in 1801, 61 sail of the line; in 1807, 43 sail of the line, which was the precise number at the present moment. It was perfectly true that they had 43 afloat and building, hut the esta blishment they professed to :keep up was 45 sail of the line.—( Hear, bear, hear.) Now they had been for many years in a position equally dangerous with that in which they stood at the present moment. In 1817 they had 15 sail of the line in commission, and Russia had 30 ; in 1823 they had 12 sail of the line. and Russia had 37, being only one-ibbd. In 1832 they had 11 soil of the line aid Rusin hal 36 b only They had more ships in commission and a larger number of men than any time since the peace in that country. Ob jections, however, were taken to the force which they main • twined. First it wan !add that many of our ships were se renty-fteure. When gentlemen would object, there was no saying to what objections they would gb. because if there was any one point to Which ajeciien had been taken, and for which they 'claimed Credit for themselves, because they *ere only acting in conformity with preceding Ad miralties—if there was any one point which was universally approved of it was to wear out their small ships in time of peace, and reserve the more formidable noes fur tittle of War —( Hear, hear)—that was tht eotirse recommended by the late Comptroller of the Navy, and he (Mr. Wood) was satisfied that that was the proper course, to reserve the more powerful ships for time of war, when their services would be wanted. The next objection was, that the ships were only half armed. Now there were three descriptions of ships . First, flank ships in port, and it was perfectly true that they had not their lower deck guns in—( Sir Edward Codrington made some remark.) His Gallant Friend said that the Howe had her lower deck guns in —the others had theirs on the wharf, and he believed that no vessel of war g o i ng out of harbour would take in her guns until she got by Spi:hcad. The next objection applied to line of battle ships employed in conveying troops. Why the practice was the same in time of war, and when Sir Joseph Yorke conveyed troops to Lisbon in 1811 the 6 ships of the line employed were with out their lower deck guns—the other description of vessels were the flag-ships on stations abroad, and others had been led to suppose, from the statements made, that the present Government had sent out less powerful ships to d re d lasr:tes t ihs l o t et a mrhn, t .oett.yro : i v ,ti l ts. : e n o: tu t t h hhme t i eb s mt i nhee : a c ts: ai e pf mt v ss e et these t h rlwy lloct i rate frigates, Idvf s s re l a t i i rg a t i er p t ao i s btr o e( o; sl r: n . eg a a run l l epd ‘ a h t o t h e n ( at ! t s e f heaenecoastmtseast establishments was, aoe edbpn it a n f if they were allowed a ship of the line, as affording them increased accommodation. F or that. reason they hid been sent, and for the additional reason that if a necessity arose they could at once taken their lower deck guns, fill up their complement of men, and become good seventy fours. —(Cheers. Tile best proof he could give of that was that out of three ships two had taken in their lower deck guns, and the moment it was necessary to go to the coast of America, the Cornwallis had taken in her lower deck guns which were it Halifax, and the Welle3ley had done the same since. To show how destitute of truth some of the statements were, it was asserted that the only ex ception to that rule was the ship of the brother of the First Lord, and it was true that the ship of Admiral Elliott was an exception, but it was one exception, the other was not. She was the only ship that had not her lower deck guns in. —( Loud cries of hear, hear.) The next objection was one to wltich reference had already been made in the course of the debate—that the ships were but half man ned. It was perfectly true, that in time of peace they had only their peace complement 'on board. An Honourable and Gallant Friend of his expressed an opinion that there should be no such thing as a reduced complement in time of peace. He thought he was justified, however, in stating that all the distinguished officers, of whatever party, who had at any time during the peace sat at a Board of Admiralty, had been of opinion that a re duced complement was right during peace ; and, without putting his opinion in competition with that of men better qualified to pronounce one, it seemed to him that there was no reason for putting such a complement into a ship it, time of peace as would enable her to fight all her guns in a protracted action—to undertake all the services which would be required of them in time of war, and even to fur nish prize crews; end that a smaller complement might d o when none of these contingencies could arise. He confessed that he felt himself incompetent to speak po sitively as to a hat ought to be the amount of a peace coin plimeet. The complements for the year 1834, and which after all, the present Board were not answeraule for, were much larger than the complements from 1816 to 1826. In 1826 the peace complements were very considerably increased. Since then various changes and alterations had been introduced. Supernumaries had been given in some caAes, in others they had been with drawn, but no sort of uniform plan had been persevered in. In 1834 the complements were revised and a small reduc tion took place. Now he would readily admit that for some ships, especially razees and those of a new class, the peace complements in 1834 were too small—( Hear, hear) —and they should have been disposed to increase them earlier, hut from a feeling which he was convinced would he duly understood by every one acquainted with public offices—they did not like to deal immediately with parti eular interests. They hod then under considera tion the state of the Army and the Navy, and also the relative efficiency of peace complements. and at the risk of some inconvenience they thought it better to postpone any change here until a system of ge neral alteration could be adopted. He received a few days ago, a paper showing the reduction on the war esta blishment of 1814 of the previous peace establishment.-- The statements of this paper might be taken as a test of the efficiency of the present peace complements. The peace complement in 1816, which lasted for ten years, was less by 24 per cent. than the war complement of 1814. The peace complement of 1826 was 7 per cent, less ; in 1834 it was 8 per cent. ; and that in 1839, which was that settled by the present Board, was 41- per cent.—( Hear, hear ) He believed they had now sets led the peace com plements on a scale that gave satisfaction to the best offi cers in the service. He must here remark, that since the meeting of Parliament the general charge that had been made against the present Board of having reduced the force of the Navy to a dtear'ee of dangerous wealsac3s had died off a little. —( Laughter.) This was not the first instance o f what was a fierce outcry against the Government in the autumn greatly subsiding since the meeting of Parliament. The charge now against them was, that they had neglected the defence of our own coast, which had been carefully looked after in the time of Tory power—that so exposed were our shores now that an American privateer might ap proach and burn one of our towns with impunity. It was, in his opinion, odd, that the Tory atarinists had never found this out until 1838. He (Mr. W.) stated, in 1836, that seeing the defenceless state of our coast in 1835, he thought it was advisable to increase the force which guarded our own shores. But he would remind the House that the arrangementqfor the year ;the voting of men for the putting :hips in commission were made in the spring—especially when a Government was going out—(Laughter, and hear, hear)—and the new Government. had not the power of altering the scale. He did not blame the Right Hon. Baronet opposite for the ap pointment of officers and for other arrangements. What he meant was, that they, though finding a force of reduced ships and reduced men when they came into office, had riot the power of putting other ships into commission.—( Hear, hear.) He would admit that they might have formed a supplement later ie the year.—( Hear.) But if it so happened that the Right Hon. Gent. opposite and his colleagues admitted that their voteof men wastoo small by far before they left office, why did they not mend their own estimate. (Laughter, and hear, hear). Now he would say a few words on the contrast between the systems of the former and the present Board. The former system was three half-manned guard ships in each port : and a worse sys tem for officers and men had never been adopted. This was continned by the Right Hon. Baronet in 18.32. The Navy, as he left it, consisted of flag-ships which were not sea-going, a certain number of demonstrated ships not sea-going, and an active force, all of which were sea-going ships. The Right Hon. Gent. might, if he did not tike that state of things, have commissioned seine large ships. But he did no such thing; he thought there was quite enough. On the Ist Jan. and the Ist July 1835, there was not a single sea-going ship in any of our ports. So much struck were the Board with this deficiency, that their first act in June, 1835, was to station three efficient flag-ships in the ports, and from that time to the present there was a three-decked ship in commission in each of our ports. A great (teal had had been said about the advantage of ships as tried in sending troops to Canada in 1827. One would think that we had sent no troops to Canada in 1838. There was a greater number sent out then, and the service was most efficiently performed. Now in summer they kept a certain number of disposable ships either in experimental squadrons or at a distarce, whence, through the medium of steam enmmunication, they might be speedily collected. Now, having experimental squadrons out, which might be called home when wanted, was, he submitted, a better system that that of having half-manned guard ships in port. Since 1835 they had every summer a strong force be tween the ships in port and the squadrons off the coast of Spain and Lisbon. In 1835, when the present Board was not responsible for the arrangements, there was within that dis tance only one ship of i he line. In 1836, the first year of the present Board, there were within that distance 14 ships of the line; in 1837 there were 11. Li April last year there were nine ships of the line in readiness at home ; of those four were sent, to America in April; they returned in Augia , t ; they re turned, and there were one ships of the line again at home. What, then, might be said of the defenceless state of the country ; it must, he thought, be al:owed that the coust was office, etv)er- much better attended to now than when there were nine badly man ned ships of the line at home.—(Hear, hear.) His Noble appeared ,p Friendho meeare d that had hn a t tmovedihne Dr,month enen f e o tm r h b r ne e fr t , u ri r IneBes3eosr December b ,t h rh e e complementsnnisll number ril ,y .eaas or years. . ships2,s39.t es that force, Next year it was 5,497, just double. somea and !which good deal of the system of the Right lion. Baronet,n,t. whichwamsuheihps,mthcieey formidablealsor e tained t , h guard-ships l a N y n it o n wb es lt e r a a t n to d n s de monstration -ation ships he me at, proi el) , estimated. True, the demonstration ships Hon. - portionllar ne t o f was th in stores offi ce , w because were not in such a state of readiness as wh(ceTtntlc e a l s B ts 36 a t m h id at a .., great masts to sea, th l e igg l i t i a vg d were so decayed that before the ships could go the stores housed --thus, o be replaced. Their plan now was to ha i s". syo article ready w a as s os a r d e ie r n y s — the th ß us ig , h th t o H u n g n h . th ß e a s r h n i n p e s t w w e a r s e n in ot ca rO ls t e te i n t , wa a s nd fou t n h d e d in much better, and the ships were fitted for sea occupied in fitting out these demonstrationshy fitted ships. It sot was tree that, in time of peace, ships were not ra. d applied to A good deal had been said about the time which . lead been pidly as they were in time of war; and this guard ships equally with demonstration ships. With reference to of these ships was • necessary for their done, which h o w e ver was not absolutely y this, he might state that many alterati ons were ma d e, a nd much that was important in the fitting s efficiency ; so that the time occupied in tnis manner, af forded no f a i r cr iterion of the time in w hich a shi p could be got re a dy f or sea i n an emergency. With regard t o one ship, concerning c e onc n enrtnhiningghad which, been a in ref other,—h e mean t the Ganges, state, fro m th e b es t authority, that th at s hi p could be got ready for service in forty-tight hours. S o f ar . , s er i e d: be c to this subject, h e Ga n ges,—he that teas s onc e e n r a n b e l d ed any he h a d gone on t hi s part o f th e subject, anst now he cam e to that part which related to the manning of the Navy. tru e that at the close o f He did not b e li eve t h at t h e manning of the Navy was more neglected n o w than it had bee n at form er periods during peace. It was perfectly the war there were a great number of seamen thrown out o f employment. In the Navy Estimates for 1812, 150,000 men were voted for the service of the Navy. and in 1818 this vote was reduced to 14,000 men, so that making every allow ance th a t co uld possibly be called for, such as for Foreign seamen who might have returned to their ow n country, this would give 10,000 men, who could not find em ployment. It sy is true that the mannieg of the Navy pro ceeded now more slowly t.,an it had formerly, b u, this was oc particular in their selections than others; a great deal also tle peedeel upon the pluces at which the ship was fitted out, end yet . at SHOirifeess which was generally considered the worst pe , ort t(4 out !si% /teens!, te most difficult procure men 44 IteeeduV fdd L'erf fitted , out e• ' • M a e fertniaht i l je incle it se r eet t ien; &elicif introduce order into a to: dirtiniish the necessity fce' corporal punishment, and the easy held priai s a l ni VOo'rki,rig of the ship; he could not see in what respect it Could Le eaniaired objectionable ; hut, according to Captain Marryat's aceedie, precisely the same complaints were made in America whenever the ships of the State were manned from enlistment. The 'eight Hon. Bart. opposite had made great improvements in ts mneetion -kith this subject. The unwillingness to enlist had eery niucli dineinisheds the eine:looft nf the teen bed been grhativ ithproied: and; With the kceptiten of the article dl pay -es(Hear, }Mai ) froth thE Cippesl ioh heeehes)esevra.s Much pre , ferable to the merchant sereicej and the pay *as eery little inferior. = (Cheers, and hear, hear, from the Mirriettrial Benches.) Gentlemen opposite, in their statements the this subject, had forgotten to take into their consideration the ntimbef of petty officers in the naval service, who were all taken from the same class of in. el al those eempesing the mer chant service, and who received much superior ply. This class of officers, who were so deserving of every consideration, athl on whoni the discipline of the Navy so much depended, had, he was happy to state. recently received a material augmentation of pay. The pay of petty officers of ships of the line had been increased so as to be equal to that of the first rates, as in all other ships a proportionate increase had, taken place, amounting, in some of the smaller ships, to as much as seven shillings a month. With regard to this question of pay, the difference was not so great between the naval ser vice and the merchant service in this country as in America, Our naval pay is much nearer the merchants' pay than the American naval pay. In America the merchants' pay amounted to about 31. a month, and the State pay 21. In England the merchants' pay is about 21. lOs. a month, and the naval pay about 1/. 103. So that the American merchants' pay amounts to 42/. a year, and the State pay 24/. a year, making a diffe rence of 18/. a year between the merchants' and the State ser vice ; while in England the pay in the merchants' service amounts to 251. 4s. a year, and in the naval service amounts to 22/. 25., making a difference of 3/. 2s. a year—not so much as half the difference between the pay of the merchant and the pay of the State, as there is in America. lie did not apprehend that under ordinary circumstances any great difficulty would be ex perienced in manning the Navy. There would always be a difficulty calculated upon sudden emergencies. With regard to this question, there was an argument which did not apply to questions on other subjects. There would never be a much greater number of seamen brought up to the sea than there was a demand for. The total number of seamen then remained pretty nearly the same. Consequently, when there was any demand for the naval service, it immediately pressed upon the merchant service, and occasioned an increase of pay ; and it was a remarkable fact, that during the whole period of the distress which had pressed so heavily on the country, no lower ing of wages had taken place among seamen, and when, in 1633, they made so small a demand for the increase of the Navy as 3,000 men, complaints had been made to the Admi ralty, that ships were lying in the River, unable to proceed on their voyages, because the naval service had taken all the men. Therefore, he thought that any increase which took place, should take place slowly and gradually : and he considered that the best method of recruiting the naval service was, by bringing up boys to the service, when they were properly trained up and made better seamen of than they possibly could be by any other method. He had now finished with that part of the subject, and would proceed to remark on the statements which had been made concerning the foreign navies. With re gard to Russia, it was a necessary condition of that power that she should maintain the same navy inpeace which she might want in war, because site had no merchants' service from which she could recruit. With regard to the American navy, Captain Marryat had stated on authority upon which he could rely that America depends on this country not only for the manning of her state navy, but of her merchant navy also, that in fact by far the larger portion of seamen navigating American ships were Englishmen. With regard to other nations, France relies on her merchant service for manning her navy, and has a cons scription of-the seamen for this purpose. With regard to this conscription, Baron Cruvelhier reports certain facts which are very curious and satisfactory in reference to this case. He shows that in 1831 the number of registered seamen amounted to 90,000, of these 37,000 were landsmen, apprentices, or fishermen- —lB,OOO were above or below the Fri per age, leaving 35,000 available seamen, of whom 18,000 were already in the King's service, leaving 17,000 only who could be available under an emergency. He did not give this account as exact, although it was taken from official accounts, but it was sufficiently so for the purpose of comparison ; he would compare this with the number of regis tered seamen in England, who had been registered under the provision of the Bill of the Right Hon. Bart. It amounted to to 200,000, he did not state this as exact, he believed the exact number was 204 1 000, but allowing for deaths and casualties he thought he might be permitted to take the number at 200,000. This register did not include tee whole of our maritime population, but he thought he might reckon fishermen and others of our maritime population in cluded in their registration, and not included in ours at 150,000 more—a good deal had been said about the supposed diminution in seamen arising from various causes to which he would not now advert. With regard to this subject, he would refer to re turns, perhaps not strictly accurate, but sufficiently exact for this purpose. A comparative statement was made out each year of the number of seamen, and he had consulted with the Registrar-general of the Custom-house on this subject, who thinks that the comparative statements may be safely relied on, According to these statements, it appears that in 1833, the number was ' one hundred and sixty-four thousand In 1.34 168,000: in 18.35, 171,000 ; in 1836, 171,600, and in 1837 173,580, being an increase upon the whole of those five years of no less than 9,500. In 1836 returns were received of vessels lost to the amount of 1,800, and in order, therefore, to afford a fair comparison, that, number ought to be struck off from the year before, which would give an increase of upwards of 1,100 men in , those five years that went up to March 1837 ; with respect to 1838, he had not the returns. That, he con sidered, would afford a most satisfactory answer to the state ments that had gone abroad relative to the seamen of this country having been diminished. With regard to the effect of steam-vessels :—ln 1835, 25.000 men were employed on them, while in 1837 upwards of 26,652 men were employed, being an increase of 1,652. In 1835, the number of steam-vessels were 414, while in 1836 they amounted to 685. Perhaps Honourable Members would wish to know the extent of power of those steam-vessels. There were sixty-five of 200-horse power. and upwards •, and 136 of 100-horse power and up wards ; 160 from fifty to one hundred horse power, and 318 of 50-horse power: Probably With reseect to the vessels of larger power the return had been understated. With these resources—these enormous resources—in the mercantile marine, which had hitherto been the main strength on which this country had depended, and in which no nation of the earth could compete with this country—with these enormous re sources, he saw no reason for stating that they were not better prepared than at any former time. In former armaments no difficulty was found in rapidly increasme the forces. In 1777 the forces of this country were doubled in two months, and after hostilities had commenced, the naval force was increased in a very short time to six times its amount. With respect to the power of immediately withdrawing men from the navy, a great complaint had been made against the present Ministry for putting down the Coast Blockade. In 1831 the Right Hon. Baronet opposite, in pursuance of a Report of a Committee, had put down the Coast Blockade, and he had been blamed for that as diminishing one source of the navy. He (Mr. W. ) thought that that source was very much indeed overrated. He did not think that the object for which that service had been instituted had been effected, namely, giving rewards to the best seamen. He thought that some system between the two might be devised which would render it more available than at present without taking from it the character that the Right Hon. Gen tleman opposite had given it. He believed that a Commission would have been appointed to inquire into the system of the Coast Guard, and would have sat long ere this had it not been for the illness of the Assistant-Secretary of the Admiralty. He considered that the statements that had been made with respect to the Coast blockade were totally without f iundation ; for whatever resources had been taken away from the Coast Blockade, were more than replaced by putting the ordinary in commission, and men were raised for general services by that means. In January last there was no less than one thou sand four hundred and forty-nine men and boys available for sevice, and they had actually drafted in the course of 1838 no less than 589, which was rather more than was ever taken to the Cast Blockade. With regard to the men, it was unneces sary for him to say anything, but with reference to the boys it might be satisfactory to the House that lie should read an ex tract from a letter which he had received. That letter stated " That about eighty of our second-class boys were discharged to-day, and were sent to the flag-ship. Some of the second class boys were as expert as seamen at guns, and some of our first-class boys exceed the men. So much with respect to their active force. He believed he had now touched upon every subject on which observations had been made, and he could not hesitate to say that, looking at the total force employed at home anti abroad, there really was no cause to believe that at any period of the history of this country they were in a better state than at the present moment.—( Hear, hear.) He now came to the working of the Dock-yards. It Was true that they had been diminished since the peace. They had been corning down ever since to the peace establishment, but they had not yet reached the minimum at which the decrease was to stop ; yet the present Government, looking at the state of several of the ships, had commenced an increase. The mai n t enance o f th e ship;depended upon the works in the dock, and (seders were given for the reduction of the Dock-yards during the Ministry of the Duke of Wellington in 1830. It was true that that order was not carried into effect until it was enforced by the Right Honourable Baronet opposite in 1831. There was one thing that he extremely regretted, which was that the Right Honourable Baronet did not carry out the intentions of the Admiralty in 1830, namely, that of giving increased labour to the men when the number was reduced to 6,000. It was true that the Right Hon. Bart. did not remain long enough in office to witness the effect of his measu. es. It was difficult to ascertain what the reductions really were in the Dockyards, but in the seven years ending in the year 1836, the consumption of time ber per year wa. 21,300 loads, while the annual average ex penditure of timber from 1830 to 1836 was 9,600 loads, show ing the diminution of more than half in the amount of timber consumed, indicating therefore a very great falling off in the works. The votes for wages (as we believe), were in 1829, 48,000/. ; in 1833, 390,000/. ; in 1834, 300,000/. ; in 1835, 384,000/, In 1835, the number of men employed was 6,265 ; in October last, the number was 7,644. Of the smaller vessels, there were in 1835, 85 in commission ; now there were 107. Of steam vessels, there were in 1835, 24, independently of packets on the home stations ; now there were 36. This was a subject of considerable importance.—(Hear, hear.) In 1835, there was one steam vessel of 140 horse power. In 1836, one was lauched. In 1837, one of three hundred horse was launched, one of 140 horse power, and two smaller ones. In 1838, there was a war steamer launched of 224-horse power, two of 240-horse power, and another of 160, with two of 300-horse power, one of 280, and preparations were making for launchine set others.—(Hear, hear.) Now as to stores—great attacks had been made upon the Government. But similar attacks had been made on the Government of the Right Honourable Baronet opposite, by which Government the lowest vote ever taken for naval stores was reduced by no less than 82,000/. Under the old system of " appropriating" stores, that is, lay ing them by for particular ships, and reserving them for such ships, stores were found rotting, for the ships to which they had been " appropriated" had been broken up years before.—. The Right Hon. Baronet (Sir J. Graham) had done good service to his country in reforming this system : but he did not go far enough, and much remained to be done when the present Government came in. With respect to masts, in 1835 161 lower masts were found to be useless—nearly one half of the whole. Of the smaller masts, topmasts, and spars, which were at that period very deficient, there were now sufficient in stet e for twenty line of battle ships.—(Laughter.) So in regard to cordage—the quantity of yarn manufactured in the rope yards had doubied every year since 1835. In short, there were full stores, of every description, for thirty sail of the line, ready in the dock-yards.—( Hear, hear.) There were also stores nearly ready for five or six vessels ; and all this was exclusive of ships in commission, so that altogether there were stores ready for between fifty and sixty sail of the line.—(Hear, hear, and lauehter, occasioned by the Chancellor of the Exchequer taking a careful note of the fact.) Now a Noble Lord (we understood the Hon. Gentleman to refer to Earl Hardwicke) had lately made certain statements in another place, having previously taken the trouble to go down to the Dock yards. He (Mr. Wood) would confidently say that the state ments of that Noble Lord had been entirely contradicted, not merely by the returns but by the reports of different Siseerin- tendents of Dock-yards, which had been subsequntly received. it had PPeen stated there were no masts in store for the Re- ace Gentleman here read a letter, showing there were store, rid several fit and ready to be put iri, if required.)—NoW 174 , 04 to Plymouth Yard, it had been said there were no topsails in ettet parry, without which a ship could not go sea. He had written tetlilesirperinteudent to know whether Lord Hardwicke could by any pdiAbtlity have a, mistake, and what number of sails there were. Let-et Hir&irkte bed stated there were no topsails for a ship of the tide, Wit'eti the fit was that there no less than 66. Lord Hardwieke also stated tfie're were no complete sets of sails. There were complete sets for foreign eereic for these first-rates —one seicosid, and three third rates, making together 7 sail of the line, end 6 large frigates. He was aware that these statements would be enct by thias.eertion that the returns were false re turns. —( Hear.) That was a gerrve and serious charge to be made against such persons as would be implicated in it, and he would put it to those who had any experience in the office with which hie Was connected, whether the individuals who made those feturns were likely to be guilty of such conduct.—(Hear.) Did any man believe that the store-keepers of the yards, old and tried pubic eereants, with the certainty of detection 9ttirin . ¢ them in the face, would make a false return ?—( Hear, •hear. ) Wored the superintendents of those yards, men of high rank and long service—such as Admiral .Bouverie and Atim , ral Warren—would they make, or ..are to make, false re turns ?—( Hear, hear.) The store-keeper-general of the Navy, as honostrable a man as existed in the world, and of as high character, would he make a false return ? He was quite sure that if the Noble Lord reflected for a momrnt, he would at once have retracted the charge; and he wonld ask whether a cur sory inspection . of the dock-yard was to be relied upon more than an official return. He had thought it neces sary to call the attention of the Committee to this subject, because a Noble Lord, a most honourable man, perfectly incapable of stating that which he die not believe to be true, had gone down to the Dock-yard for the express purpose of as certaining the state of the stores. That Noble Noble Lord communicated with the Superintendent, an old shipmate of his own) he conducted him round the Yard, showing him every thing, mid yet with the best possible means of obtaining the most acctitate information, those were the statements that had been thought necessary to hold forth to the public.—(Cheers ) The public, he admitted, had a right to rely on such testimony. They had not the means which persons in office had of ascer taining the truth ; but he had shown that that testimony was not only erroneous, but was totally contrary to the fact. With regard to the stores, he could state, on the authority of the Storekeeper-General, who had been ten or twelve years in the office, that since he had any knowledge of the subject, the stores of the Navy had never been in so efficient a state as they were at present.—(Hear.) With regard to the unconverted stores, he would simply observe there had been a large increase in timber, hemp,.and so on. He now came to the next head of estimates—the new works of the yard. Upon this head he must say he did not think sufficient had been paid to it since the peace, especially looking to the great exertion and great expenditure that had been made by the French for this purpose in their yaede. Last year the entrance to some of the works at Woolwich, which lie was sorry to say had been postponed for some time, had been completed. Chatham had also been greatly neglected. At Portsmouth many attempts to fasten up the sea walls had been made, and heavy expunges were incurred to re pair the slips. The same might be said of Plymouth. It was necessary to make extensive repairs in one of the slips, and the sea walls would be so repaired as eventually to form a portion of the construction of that which had been wanted Inc years at Plymouth—vie., a basin, with a dock Then with regard to the introduction of machinery into the yards, he had no doubt that a restriction bad been put upon the introduction of machinery from a desire not to discharge work men, but it was impossible to go into a private establishment without being ashamed at the state of our dock yards. In a great many instances a saving of expence had been effected by the introduction of machinery. A vote would be required this year for the introduction of hand-bellows into the' smithies by which a saving cf not less than 1,0001. a-year for labour would be made. He hail now gone through those heads of estimates, on which the efficiency of the Navy mainly depended, and he thought he heal shewn that the Government had not neglected their duty in any way. He had stated what they had done, and he had stated the condition in which they had left it—a condition, he did •ot hesitate to say, unparalleled in the time of peace. Ile weuld only advert for a moment to the Estimates for Victualling, in which there was an increase arising from circumetences over which they had no controul—an increase in the price of pro of the visions, and another item for the re-establishment Royal Naval College. The old College was put down two or three years ago, it being the opinion that it did not answer any useful end. There was a complaint against it, and when the present Government came in they found there were forty vacancies, but no candidate came forward. For these reasons, then, the old system of the Naval College was put an end to ; but immediately upon that, an improved system of education was introduced, giving schoolmasters higher pay and higher rank in the ship. Twelve were now actually afloat, other three were in a forward state of preparation, and soon they would have an adequate number on the books to in struct the whole of the young gentlemen in the Navy.— (Cheers.) The new College, established in the Excellent, under Captain Hassiegs, was proceeding most setisfactorily, and commissions were given to Mates who passed their exa minations with credit. By giving that education at a time when the young men were able to appi eciate it, it would tend very greatly to increase the attainments of the Officers of the Navy. In speaking of former Administrations, he had not wished to give any offence. Under the administra tion of the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir. J. Graham) great and most beneficial reforms were carried into effece—( Hear, hear.) The putting down the subordinate .Board was a measure of much importance. The institution of the Excellent was a most beneficial measure—he put an end to the absurd system of stores.—( Cheers. ) In one matter alone he differed from the Right Hon. Gentleman ; he had lowered the pitch of works to too low a scale, as was found when they came into office. The abuse which had been showered down upon them during the last six .months almost passed the limits of human endu rance.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) He had shown them to whom the blame attached, to those whose partisans blamed the present Government. The Government might be open to the attacks of the Hon. Member for Kilkenny, but not to those which had been lavished upon them by the organs of the party to which the Gentlemen opposite belonged. In their first es timate they increased the force of the Navy—they had very greatly increased the stores—one matter they had no controul over—the prices of many articles had been enhanced. With regard to the recommendation of a Committee of that House the Honourable Gentlemen opposite, as soon as they came into office, found that it was nearly impossible to go on with out a large promotion. Accordingly one took place, and another almost as a matter of course took place at the Coronation of her Majesty, and the beneficial effect of such p-omotion had already been proved. With respect to the Marine force, they had removed- every officer who was unfit for duty, and the effect was that in twelve months there were snore promotions in that force than in any other. They had reduced the emoluments of pursers in large ships and increased those in small ships. They had done the same by the assistant-surgeons—they had classed the warrant and petty officers, and many other measures were contemplated by the Admiralty, when they were stopped by the in terference of that House, which resulted in the appoint ment of a Commission. They had increased the number of line of battle ships nearly double. When these statements were going their rounds, they had surprised Amerita by show ing her seven ships of the line on her coast, when it was repro suited that we were without any.—(Loud cheering.) They had abundance of stores in, their arsenals, and suffi cient of good materinls. They had created large works at Woolwich, at Deptford, at Portsmouth, and at Ply mouth, the whole under the controul of an able and efficient officer of engineers. He had trespassed too long upon their attention.—(Loud cheers.) He had entered into great detail, but when the House recollected the abuse to which they had been subjected—(Cheers)—they would not think that he had trespassed needlessly.--(Cheers.) It was necessary for him to show to the country, that our Navy was not in that helpless and inefficient state it was represented to be.— (Cheers.) He was not sorry that the question had been brought forward—the Government had suffered much obloquy, but when all was known he was' not afraid of the judgment of the country. Ile felt quite sure that impartial justice would be done. They had this satisfaction from the expression of public opinion, which had been general, that in what they had been doing since they came into office, they had not been following but anticipating the wants of the service.—( Cheers.) He moved that 34,165 men be granted for the service of the Navy. The Hon. Member resumed his seat amidst loud and continued cheering. Sir E. CODRINGTON said, after the very able speech which they had just heard, he hoped the House would adjourn in order to allow time for the proper consideration of the matter. He could not move the adjournment without express ing not only his admiration of the manner in which the motion had been brought forward, but of the extent of the information which had been afforded.—( Cheers. ) Mr. C. WOOD did not wish to offer any opposition to the motion, but said that it was of the greatest importance that the House should come to a vote on the subject. He should therefore ask leave to sit again on Wednesday, in order to go on with the discussion, an early termination of which would be of advantage to the public service. Sir GEORGE CLERK thought he should be able to show a great fallacy in the arguments of the Hon. Gentleman. Although he must express his admiration at the able and distinct manner in which he had gone over the various topics to which he had alluded ; he entreated the Committee not to carry away the idea that he had completely proved the Navy of this country to be in the state which it ought to be. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again on W ednesday The Designs Copyright Bill, and the Designs Copyright Extension Bill, were read a second time, and ordered to be committed. The other Orders of the Day having been d:sposed of, the House adjourned at Half-past Twelve. COURT CIRCULAR. Viscount Melbourne had an audience of her Majesty yesterday. Viscount Melbourne, Right Hon. George Stevens Byng, Hon. Wiliam Cowper, and Sir Frederick Stovin joined the Royal Circle at Buckingham Palace, at dinner last evening. Lord Alexander arrived at the Colonial-office yesterday morning, with dispatches from Sir John Colborne, G. C. 8., Governor of the Canadas. The Deputies now in London representing the interests of the Licensed Victuallers of England, had an interview yesterday with the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The Deputations and the towns they represent were as follows :—London, Messrs. Hibble, Cortey, and Morgan ; Manchester—Messrs. Warburton, Lyons, and Dates; Liverpool—Messrs. Bryden and Robinson ; Leeds—Messrs. Metcalfe and Wilde ; Bristol—Messrs. Hopkin and Bond; Hull—Mr. Jubb; Bradford—Massrs. Scholefield and Crook ; Bolton—Mr. Ward ; Rochdale— Mr. Sutcliffe ; Warrington—Mr. Bather ; Huddersfield —Mr. Gill ; Chatham—Mr. Leadbetter; Rochester— Mr. Birchall ; S:roud—Mr. Hickmutt ; Wi,ari—Mr. Mather; Ashton—Mr. Hall; Wakefield—Mr. Hampson ; Bath—Messrs. Ralph and Hunt ; Stockport—Mr. Ro bertson; Worcester—Mr. Holloway; Sheffield—Messrs. Appleyard and Saville ; Halifax—Messrs. Nicholson and Riley. Mr. Parkinson had an interview with Viscount Mel bourne yesterday in Downing-street. Mr. Meyers, Agent for Barbadoes, the Bishop of Nova Scotia; Sir J. Stoddart, Colonel Davies, Mr. Wyse, Mr. R. M. Ardage, and Mr. Bedingfield, had interviews with the Marquis of Normanby at the Colonial Office yesterday. The Belgian Minister transacted business yesterday at the Foreign Office. The Earl of Albemarle had an interview with the Chan cellor of the Exchequer yesterday in Downing-street. The Lord Mayor transacted business yesterday at the Home Office. Despatches from Colonel Cockburn, Governor of the Bahamas, were received yesterday at the Colonial Office. DIED.—On the 19th ult., at 128, Crown -street, Aberdeen, James Davidig)n, junior in the 94th year of his lge, EVENING EDITIO:N. NEW POLICE ?SILL• This is a Bill for improving the police in and near the Metropolis, and was introduced in the House of Com mons, last week, by the Government. ,It consists of 87 clauses, in several of which, very rational changes. both as regards the police force, and the public arc pro posed. The first clause enacts that the city of London t turd the river Thames, in and near the Metropolis, shall be inciatieil within the provision of the Act, and that the constables of the Metropolitan Police force shall have power to act in the City and Liberties as fully as in any of the other districts. The fourth and fifth enact that the ancient right of electing Ward Consta bles shall be abolished, anti that the expenses of the , City Police shall be paid by the Chamberlain to the Receiver of the Police district, and at the rate of Bd. In the pound- The Act for appointing Westminster consta bles and compelling proper persons to act as jurymen to prevent nuisances, is to be abolished. The authority of the Metropolitan Police is to extend throughout the Central Criminal Court district, and also to any place not more than fifteen miles from Charing c.ross ; and tt is proposed to grant 20,0001. yearly out of the Consoli dated Fund, for defraying the increased chart's of the Police Force, for the performance of duties heretofore performed by the Horse Patrol and the Thames Police. The Commissioners are to have the power of swearing in any additional numbers of constables to keep the peace at the charge of the parties making the application, but subject to the orders of the Commis sioners. A sufficient number of constables are to at tend upon the Lord Mayor, then sitting as the Ma gistrate at the Mansion-house, and upon the sitting Aldermen at Guildhall, and all summonses and war rants issued in any criminal proceeding within the district are to be executed by them. Constables to be liable to a fine of 101. for any neglect or violation of duty, or imprisoned at the discretion of the Magis trate for one month ; and every person assaulting or re sisting any police-constable in the execution of his duty, to be liable to a penalty not exceeding 10/. or im prisonment for two months. It is proposed also to raise, the salaries of the Commissioners to 1,2001. a-year each, and to form a " Police Superannuation Fund." These are the principal clauses relating to the, Police. The remainder apply to the public, an d the following are the chief alterations proposed :---- No coffee-shop or house of refreshment shall be o pened before five o'clock in the morning, or be kept open after the hour of one after midnight, under a penalty of 101. Freemen of the Vintners' Company not to sell wine with out license ; public-houses to be closed on Sundays* Christmas-day, and Good Friday, bet Ween eight in the morning and one in the afteimoon, and licensed victuallers supplying any boy or girl under fourteen years with liquor to be drunk on the premises, are to be liable to a penalty not exceeding 20s. for the first .offence, 40se for the second, and 5/. for the third offence, They are also to be liable to a penalty of 10/. for knowinglY allowing common prostitutes, reputed thieves, or dis' orderly drunken persons to continue in their houses* The Superintendents of Police may be authorised by the Commissioners to enter into licensed theatzes and gamirg-house. Persons keeping places for bear -baiting , dog-fighting, &c., to be liable to a penalty of 101, and every person present to ss. each ; and pawn brokers taking pledges from persons under sixteen years of age, to be liable, to a penalty of 5/. AnY Constable may without a warrant arrest persons commit ting certain nuisances enumerated—such as defacing walls, distributing indecent prints or songs, using insult ing language with intent to provoke a breach of the the peace, &c., and also take into custody every corn• mon prostitute or night walker loitering in the street to the annoyance of passengers. • The 77th clause gives the night constable the power to take the recognisance of any person brought to the station house for an of fence of which he is liable to be summarily convicted before a Magistrate. NELSON MONUMENT, A meeting of the Competitors for the designing of the Diel• son Memorial took place yesterday at the Thatched 11 0 "s e Tavern, St. James'-street, at two o'clock. There was a yell full attendance of artists. On the motion of Mr. BRITTON, Mr. JNaIAN was called t° the Chair. At the suggestion of Mr. Hopper, the minutes of the last meeting were read, from which it appears that a Committee had been appointed to communicate with the Committee for the Net' son Memorial upon the subject of the designs and models, and to report to the meeting. The CHAIRMAN having recommended that the discuss° should be as brief and as dispassionate as possible, read the re' port, which stated that the Secretary had written to - the COI' mittee of the Nelson Memorial, requesting the honour of an inter' view with those gentlemen, whose secretary, Mr. Scott,had plied, that the meeting of the General Committee would takiplace on Saturday, the 9th of March, and that till that time there would be no meeting, either of the General or the Sub-Committe e. It had then been endeavoured to obtain an interview with the Chairman or the Deputy Chairman of the Nelsen Memori!" Committee, but the Duke of Buccleugh was in Italy and Sl' George Cockburn was absent from London. Mr. Rainy ha signified his intention to allow the designs to be exhibited in his room up to the end of this month, but not further. It was un-_ certain whether the Committee would decide upon the 9th of March. Persons were at present admitted to view the designs as subscribers or by tickets from the Committee, or by giving their own address card (as we understood). If it was toe the object of the artists who were competitors to exhibit here' after their dc, igns on the t payment of a small sum by each person , and to appropriate the proceeds to the Nelson Memorial fund , or to the Benevolent Artists' fund, or some other charitable Institution, that object would be frustrated by the issue of such a large number of tickets as were distributed by the Con'' mittee. The mode at present adopted was not calculated t° elicit the best public opinion upon the designs. In regard to a great national monument" t was desirable to ga i n tbe d opinion of every class of society. A first, or even a secon d view could only lead to a superficial idea of the designs, Bn , under existing regulations it was not probable that the Sa o ' person would go more than once. There had been a difference of opinion between some members of the General and Of t he Sub-Conimittees of the Nelson Memorial, as to whether th e Sub-Committees had power to award premiums, or to sel ect and report what designs were in their opinion entitled to re ward and fit to be executed. The majority of the Sub-Cr° l3- mittee determined the former, and the majority of the Gene' ral Committee the latter. The interests of art were closed connected with the character of its professors, and coal' petitions would operate beneficially, if they were freed from th e ignorance and prejudice which too often characterise them' In answer to an application of the Committtee upon Frid 3l last, they had been informed by Mr. Scott, that Sir Geo r g e Cockburn would do all in his power to meet the wishes of t l ,l Committee, and that the Nelson Memorial Committee won 4 meet the Committee of Artists at one o'clock on Saturday the 9th instant, before the general meeting. Mr. GUEST moved the adoption of the Report. Mr. HOPPER seconded the motion, and handed to the Chair man the following circular addressed by Sir Hassey Vivian to the General Committee :—" My Lords and Gentlemen,—Ha ving prevented from attending the Committee since last su'i le mer, and as there will be a meeting on the 9th to decide on tre best mode of carrying out the object for which we oe n d appointed, I hope I shall be excused addressing you. 1 4 from conversation, that a general apprehension is entj tamed that the design to which has been awa rd e r by the Sub-Committee the first prize, will, hovv e !'ef creditable to the artist, disappoint the expectation the the public. A war, as unexampled in its duration as in magnitude of the interests involved, may be said to have beetle concluded by the battle of Trafalgar—and the no less gio rie in battle of Waterloo restored peace to Europe. To the c hiefs. these victories--the two greatest men in their respect professions ever produced by this or any other country—it $l., been determined by private subscription to erect a montuo74 worthy of their fame. For Lord Nelson's the Government h st granted—provided the designs met their approval—the o , e b s approp , late site in the metropolis, Trafalgar-square. For .0 Wellington monument no site has been determined on. WA t u i s it not be possible to combine these two great works? it - 0 1 been suggested that this might be done by placing two theeolos statues on pedestals of granite in Trafalgar-square, and on 1, pedestals might be depicted, by models, the victories of Wad, and Trafalgar—representing the disposition of the for &c. Sze. &c. I know it may be said, but models must be orty enduring, but when once constructed, there will be no diffic u in keeping them in repair." The Report was received and agreed to be printed and cit e ::: lated in the best manner for promoting the interest of the sl er Mr. HOPPER spoke in terms of great ridicule of the sugg o ay tion of a column with a figure on the top of it which nob could see. Mr. BRITTON, in moving " that a first or second visit exhibition of 160 designs must lead to a superficial and is vi e w rect idea of them, and that under , the present regulations!be persons would see the designs more than once,' s aid tha : ',o had seen in some of the papers it was stated that the deslhou%.it were a disgrace to the artists of this country. He such language was unfounded, ungenerous, and cruel.--("1:0 hear.) If an experience of forty years in the arts qualified h r to give an opinion, he must say that the exhibition was b i g honourable to the artist of this country. Thr ied, ther resolutions. g et' req : :t e } le resolution was carrie as also ot .4, • t i„ mg the Nelson Committee d, to keep open the exhibition °_`.,ists designs as long as such being the general wish of the A. 7%., present, though considerable discussion took place as t o the,P oo , priety of exhibiting the designs themselves when the t' mittee had decided on the selection. t • ti I C Several artists spoke very warmly of the bad Posl is which their models were placed ; and of only one drol l " some designs being exhibited. 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