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-------- IMP.BIi [AL PARLIAMENT. lIOUBE 0? PEERS. Fit MAY, APRIL 3. THE 1-I)use resolved itself into a Committee of Privi-leges ; and Lord WA.I.3INCHAM having taken the Chair, Mr, ATTORNZY GENERAL was heard in con. tinuation, and at tome length, on behalf of the Crows ~ against the claim Of the Reverend Mr. ilrydges to the Peerage of Chandos ; after which, ~'ltstc.x NE was heard on the part of the Claimant, in reply.. The further consideration of the Case was then adjourned till Monday. The House then resumed, and Prayers being tead, several Bills were received from the Commons ; among which, was the Milan Catholic Test Bill, presented by the MASTER of the ROLLS, &c. The others were private Bills, and brought up by tin EDMUND HARTOPP and Mr. NEWCOMEN. The various Bills before the House were for warded in their respeetive stager•. The Order of the Day being read for receiving theßeport of the Clergy Residence Bill,_ Mr . Earl of CARLISLE rose, and sail ; he bild a few observations to offer connefted with the Bill, which might be as fortnally offered on the present occasion as on any other stage of the Bill. The, Noble Earl then launched. into a variety of observations, chiefly applying to the. general sub. ,He declared his aversion •to Suspension Bills in b gcneral, as they tended, so far as their nperation, applied, to leave the Community witho u t Law, and to elnove those land-marks which the wisdom of our Ancestors had carefully establish., ed. The. subjett to which the Bill related, was undoubtpilly one of considerable importance, and it was generally admitted, that something was nceessary—to,be done to remedy the inconveniences ,end grievances complained of. On such an ocra. b io ta the Noble Earl .said their Lordships should de. pend upon themselves principally. It was proper to rely, in a case of such magnitude on the gxcrtions of any single individual, however learned or appropriately qualified : notwithstanding which, he was inclined to entertain little hopes of seeing an rflicacious measure brought forward in that house. :fn framing a general Bill, whenever it should be on, ,derraken, there was one consideration which for. Libly s.rruc4 him, as necessary in order to render the measure complete and efreei,nal ; tiamely; an adequate provision, not only far the poorer Curates, bat for some of the other inferior orders of she Clergy, who were unhappily in very necessitous circumstances. Of the former such instances of tlistresa.and misery could 1) , detailed at would make Lordships' hearts ache. Respetling this pro. he thought that it should come out of the purse; his Lordship enforced 'host leading idea's by several relevant observations, in the coupe at I~lficl► he said, there were persons in that House fraught with Ecclesiastical and Legal information, , tvho were fully competent to the undertaking allud. cd to, i.or,/,4RDEN begged !entire to oiler afew obser vations on the present occasion; he expressed his Eiurprize, that after What they hod all heard in de bate last night, any obsery - ation should he thrown mot, expresove'of a degree of desnmir that the sub. jed in question would not be cfretqually taken up, . ; tnd originated in that Ho,ise. What transpired in t!ic discussion of fast night, was of considerable im kottancei; it would, he was confident; lie produdive of much benefit, and for his own part it made a deep ,ropression on his mind, He ITIUSt deprecate all objet ions to Bills originating in that House, with a reference to what might he their probable fate in the 1 - louse of Commons. To at upon told)* a prin. c;ole, would be something like a standing in awe of the other House, and would in a certain degree, t cod to rend:t the House, instead of its, being, as it iocomestaLly was, an efficient and component traneh of the Legislature, a mere cypher in the Coos,itution of the Country. Though he thought and f4t in this manner, for the estimation, on eon. it,titut:onal groin -ids, of a House of which he had pt long had the high honour to be a Member, yet he ! duly respelled the Constitetional 'Privileges of the house of Commons ; in which he had the honour to Lit many years. After what had passed l ast right, he entertained no, fears of an efficient measure originating in that lintn;e, which he was inclined to wish it should. The Right Rev. the Bishops formed a part of that House, to whose province the sub. jeft in question more particularly belonged ; : and he sides these, there were several Noble and Learned Lords every way adenocre to the task; among these be could not help especially regarding one, then in bis place, (Lord ELLENBOROUGH), whose opinions eemed to make such an impression on their Lord. -• ships yesterday, and from the talents and informa. don which he displayed, he evinced.hituself pecu liarly well caleolated for the task. He was. aware of the important and carious official duties of that 'earned Lord, yet he could not avoid expressing his :lope that his Lordship would come forward and give n 4 mud) of his precious time as he conveniently eouhl., to the subject. • Were the Nol,le and Learned 1...0rd to undertaLe it, he entertained the most con fident holes of a salutary and effedual measure be..' the result ; and he doubted not, that were a sent down from - that House to . the Commons, they would treat it with the most respedful at enition, and contribute every thing in their power . towards rendering the measure effedual, consistent with their own peculiar privileges. Lord eIUCKL. ,h\f agreed with the Noble Lord AS to the general propriety :10 good effed o f a measiire of this leitid originating in_ that House— 1 ,end furt;ter, he thought , llteir Lordships should on the present occasion, chiefly rely upon their own fxeFtiofss. Did they rely solely an the other House, ratli,n- on the CUCT:one ony single individual, I of tine o these results would, he thought, be the con. sequence . :—either that no Pill' would be 'sent up to th-nt this Session, or, that it would be sent up at so laze a period, that their Lordships would be stn: 4ble to Facet in suflicic.mt nqmbcrs, fully and duly t r t sli..cuss it. For his own parr, he was not fond rif giying plei.lgcs r but so deeply was he impressed sk id the consideration, That something should be pipe in the affair ? hp would say thus fas l and he begged to be rightly understood, that if no BM • should be sent up to them on the subjea, or no other , Noble Lord came forwaid, at an ear ly period after the ensuing Recess, he should himself, notwithstanding the importance of his official avocations, and however inadequate he may be in some parts of them, undertake it, so far as to commit his ideas on the subjea to paper, and lay them before the House in the shape of a Bill. He should certainly give his best atten tion to the subjel, and what he should propose would be the result, He doubted not when he had gone so far, what he should crudely and indigestedly lay before - the House, would be attentively, considered and discussed by their Lordships, among whom many men more competent titan him were to be found. He should have in view, in what he should propose, . : two principles, which he thought of the highest importance ; first, that the Church should be left to govern itsslf, and, secondly, to keep the principle of Residence in view, so far as to secure to Parishes a due care and 'attention, with as little hardship or inconvenience - to individuals as was practicable. The LORD CHANCELLOR called the atten tion of the House to the precise nature of the ques. tion before them, which was, whether it would agree to a single Amendment made in the title of the Bill, and only going to coifed •an inaccuracy with resped to the dates as originally expressed ? Their Lordships would judge how far what had been said was applicable to that question. How ever, what had transpired induced him to offer a very few observations. With respea to making Pledges, he would remind any individual Peer of the extent, importance, and difficulties of the task to be under. taken, and he would beg leave particularly to address himself to the Noble and Learned Lord who seemed alluded to by the Noble Lord who spoke second in the debate, and bring to his consideration the duties of his official station: these were so various, so important, so onerous and pressing, as perhaps not to afford him sufficient time to pay the necessary degree of attention to the subject. For his own part, his official duties were such; as entirely to disable him from undertaking the task ; but when ever the Bill should come before that HOW, he would of course' assist in its discussion, and in bringing it to maturity to the utmost of his power --indeed it was the bounden duty of all their Lord. ships to assist on st.ich occasions, to the extent of their respeilive abilities, Lord ELLENBOROUGH expressed his coinei, dcnce with what fell from the Noble and Learned Lord--he was fully aware how much of his time was necessarily engrossed by due attention to his official duties, and such considerations should in. fluence, with resped to his entering into 'a pledge, fin the performance of any thin+ , that might clash or interfere with them. • indeed, gene rally speaking, he was not fond of pledging him. self, or of making promises on such occasions ; he had rather come forward and aft where it was praaicable, than .make any promise at all. He was also as fully aware of the extent an importance of the, subjed in question, which l;e to think adMitted of two views, the gre:r ; , 1,1 the lesser. His Lordship took occasion to pancgyrise the ta. lents and extensive itiform.ition of the Right Han. and Learned .Gentleman who had already come for. ward on the occasion; and in better hands, he oh. served, the subjeft could not be placed. How ever, with respect to the lesser ur limited view of the subjed, he 'did not see that degree of difficulty in it which some Noble Lords Seemed to con ceive ;• he meant the question of Residence. To this point he had lately given some hours close consideration, and the result ,was in his opinionoltat the difficulties of it in a great degree may be obvi. ated. With regard to the greater and more compie hensi ye view of the subjea, he seemed to think him_ self inad , quate to the task, even were there any prosped o f his important, judicial avocations afford. ing him any leisure. Lord AILPANLE,Y, in the course of his ob servations, remarked, that he never could entertain any doubts of the propriety of the Bill origi. nattng in that Hotitie, he only meant to express his apprehension that' the Commons would never agree to any provision for the inferior order of the Clergy, out of the public purse, in the shape of a Bill from that House. He then _observed as to the tendency of what had already been done in the affair, and seemed of opinion that something should be done with respea to depending affirms, even on ground of justice; in the regard to those which might arise hereafter, it would naturally be matter of locum consideration. The question was then put, and the Report agreed :o by their Lordships. _ _ _ _ The oaths of fidlity and allegiance being duly administered tO Cu ittST AN SANDERS, the Bill for his Naturalization was read a second time, and or dered to be committed, Mr. ALEXANDER, and others, brought up from the Commons, the Woolwich Warren Rill, which was rend a first time. Atter which their Lordships adjourned till Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. FRIDAY, Aram 1. NIZSS Z from the Lords stated, that they had agreed to several .Private Bills without any amendments ; and that their Lor6hips requested, that the Report if the Woollen Manuladurcrs' Bill might be sent them ; which the "louse agreed to. • The St. Ciles's Burial Ground Bill was read a third time and passed. The Report of the Pancras Workhouse - Bill was brought up and read. Sir FRANCIS'BURDETT said, as the Bill was now tittered to"the House, the inhabitants had a great objet ion to it ; and,. a the organ of a large body of people, he mu it express their sentiments as vfell as his own ; that this 13i11. Shoed have been fruited and supported contrary to the general wish of the inhabitants, and that they sho'uld have their rights taken from them by a few self.created Guardiansi as they called themselves, without hn opportunity of making an opposition to it, was considered by the 'Parish at large. as a great hardship. There was a Clause in the Bill, which he thought every man would objet to, on giving it a fair consideration, that was a power the Bill allows to a few men, understood by the name of 'a Select Vestry," to make use of large sums of l'ati4 Money, without the concurrence ofthe rarish. The Hon. Baronet then proceeded to state the same objeft:mus, he had' made to the Bill on a former Oe. casion : he said, the persons who brought the Bill into the House, ought to have shewn . that the Parish had acted in an improper way, before they should attempt to rob them of their Rights. Upon a fair calculation of the 'number of friends who had been got by every solicitation to support the Bill, they did not amount to more than three hundred, out of seven thousand Inhabitants, who had first opposed it, hut vho have since agreed to give the Bill their sandion, `under certain modifications which the minor .Paity would not accede to ; he therefore hoped the House would grant every indulgence to the Iphabitants, and permit Counsel to be heard on the objedionable parts of the Bill. The SPEAKER said, the question must be first put to the House, whether the Amendments proposed should form a part of the Bill ? On the question being put, Mr. DENT oberved, that the Committee of Guardians appointed to do the Parish business, as. the Bill stated, were composed of an equal number of Gentlemen from those who opposed the Bill and those who had given it their support, and he thought the measure which the Bill proposed, would be of general benefit to the Parish. Mr. BY NG said, from his own knowledge, . and the best information he could get on the subjedi, he was satisfied, that the greatest part of the inhabi. rants thought the Bill would be beneficial to the Parish; he therefore should give it his supprirt. Mr. HURST said, that a very strong case ought to have been made out before the Bill had been framed ; the sixty self.created Guardians, who had given occasion to the present Debate, ought to have shewn, that the Parish was unequal to the sup port of their own Rights, and that they had cm. mitred some improper act, which required a check, by an Aft of Parliament; but, as no cause had been shewn for the adoption of the present unnecessary measure, he should not give it his vote. Mr. FOX said that his.,Hon. Friend (Sir FitAN. CIS BURDETT) had told the House, that the greater number of inhabitants were against the Bill; he should also tell .the House, that he was altogether against the Bill. The inhabitants were not in want of such a measure, for the proteetion of their rights. A Selea Vestry might, or might not, be of service to the Parish : he had no opinion of a few men hay. ing a power in a Parish, which was not under the control of the inhabitants, and which they could abuse without much opposition : he therefore thought the clause, which allows a Select Vestry, ought not to receive the saktion of the House. It appears that the inhabitants would be satisfied with the measure, if they were allowed to chose thirty persons out of the sixty who are to form the Com. mittee of Guardians ; but this request had been ob. jelled to, which showed a power too arbitrary to deserve the support of the House. Sir Wra. PULTENEY and Mr. ALEXANDER ) said a ;"eu,r words in support of the bill. The House then divided, For the bill, 8 4 Against it, 4 2 On cur return to the G a ll ery we found Adm;ral BERKELEY addressing the. House on theWoollen Manufatturers' petition. He repeated his former arguments, to shew the necessity of the imme diate adoption of some measure which would give the Manufadurers that satisfadion they had been long waiting for.—The consideration of the present sub je6t had been delayed too long, and he could not but express his surprise that a measure so neces. sary for the peace and safety of a large body of people, should have been put off from one period to another without any effeClual measure being adopted for public benefit. If the consideration of the pre. sent question should be put off to a future period, it was his wish that the petitions should be printed for the accommodation of Members, that they may be able to judge of the measure during the holidays. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the Hon. Gentleman, Admiral BERXSLIT, had told the House, that a delay had taken place in consequence of his not fixing a time for the con. sideration of the Petition, and that the Bill was brought into the House before the Christmas recess. He was, extremely sorry that he was not at liberty to state the real cause of the delay mentioned by the Hon. Gentleman, but all he could at present say in answer to that observation was, that business of great importance had pre rented the consideration of the subject. He was not a stranger to the out. rageous•aets that had been committed in the n r.gb bourhood of Gloucester, which the present measure is intended to prevent, and he would assure the Hon. Gentleman it was his wish to give every sup. port to the measure now the subject of discussion, in order to render the people concerned in the Bill satisfied. Therefore, if agreeable to the Hon. Gen tleman, he should he happy to go into the merits of the Petitions on Wednesday next. Admiral BRRICRLEY said a few words in expla nation. Mt. HORHOUSE said, he would still contend, that the statement the Hon. Gentleman had given with respell to the Riots which had taken place in the neighbourhood of Gloucester was not quite cot_ red, though he was ready to acknowledge, that there had been much disturbance some time ago in the place before-mentioned. He therefore, thought, that any little delay would not be dangerous"; and, in his opinion, time ought to be given to consider the merits of the subject. He knew there had been a great disturbance in the County mention ed, but not to that degree as had been stated by the Hon. Gentleman. Admiral BiiItiCALNY said a few words in expl4. nation. Mr. DtcitiNs said, he agreed to the time pro. posed by the CHANQIILLOR of the EXCHEUBit s for the coibideration of the subjeet. Thp'question was then put for taking the Petition into consideration on Wednesday next, and ilgited Mr. ROSE; .after having adverted to the Cm. rishing state of our Revenae, and the mannce in which it has increased in the course of the last x 8 years, and stating the propriety of difiipiog infdr. mation upon that subject as generally as possible, moved, " That there be laid before the House an 4c:coons' of the Value of all Importations into Great Britain for the last 18 years, ending jAnuary sth, 1803, exc!usive of Corn and other Grain, mid of Importations from the. East Indies and China, distinguishing each year," &c.—Ordered. The Order of the Day was then read, for taking into consideration the Report of the Great Grimiby Eleaion Committee, on the motion of Sir M. W. R/DLEY. He then moved, That the Charges contained in the Resolution of the Committee again , t JOHN SuzzsoN, Esq. the Mayor and Returning Officer of the said Borough, be referred to the con sideration of the House. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER nit', he presumed that the proceeding which „the tin!. Baronet meant to recommend to the 1 - ,foug), Wra similar to t h at o f t h e Sh ore h am case , an d founded on an examination of that precedent. Sir M. W. R.IDLEY answered in the aStrils• dye. The CHANCELLOZ of the EXCHEQT.TCR suggested the propriety of entering, in this Case, a reference to the Case of Shoreham,, by way of precedent; Which was agreed to by the House,. and the Mai" was then put and carded. Sir M. W. RIDLEY then moved, " That the said Charges be referred to the consideration of this House on Tuesday the 19th of April instant."- 0 ¢ dered. " That the said John Simpson, Esq. do attend this House on the said :9th day of April instant."—Ordered. " That a Copy of the said Charges be sent to the aaici john Simpson, Esq. and that he be at liberty -Jo be heard by in' Counsel thereon."—Ordered. " That William Reeder, Esq. and several other prs2 l , l ,c named, do attend on t h a t day, in order to be eifunlrtetl Ma"' ing the matter of the said Charges."—Ordered. Thr CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ita r * ed,. that some doubts had been entertained on the An of Parliament 'on the subjeet of the Civil List' , commonly called " Mr. Burke's Bill," as it regarded the order of payments to be made out of the Civil List; it was propel to refer such order of payment to a Committee to consider of the subject of His Majesty's Civil List Revenue. He moved it im mediately, and it was ordered accordingly. The American Commissioners' Bill passed a Com- , mittee of the . whole House, and the Report Was ordered to be recei v ed on ,Monday. Mr. T ERNEY gave notice, as we understood. that on Monday he should move for taking into consideration the Merits of the Dunfe)wlineCdm mittee , as far as they relate to James Trotter,, and that he should then move that the same )anies Viot• ter be committed to Newgate. Mr. CQR RY moved, That certain Afts regret ing the Revenue of Ireland be rea d, f or , t h e pur p o se of having them considered in a Committee of the whole House on Monday next.—They were entered as read accordingly. Mr. BAGIYEL rose, for the purpose of putting a question to the Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chan cellor of the Exchequer of Ireland) as to the m ode he intended to adopt on the subject of the Schedule of Irish Duties. He only wished to be informed of the mode. the Right Hon. Gentleman intended tq adopt this Session. Mr. CORRY 'said, - he should be always happy to give every information in his power. He wished to state, that it ,was rnot his intention to propose, during the present Session of Parliament, an y belie dole of the Irish Duties, with a view to t h e irbeing engted. He had said before, and he wished now to repeat, that it would give him great satisfaCtion to have a Schedule of the Irish Duties prepared in the most distintl and accurate manner, and if he could adopt any measure, that would put Gentlemen in complete possession of the subjeEt, he should feel great pleasure in doing it. Mr. Asa )(ANDS* brought up the Report of the Four Millions Exchequer Loan Bill, which was read, agreed tot and the Bill ordered to be engrossed and read a third time on Monday, if then engrossed. Mr. Honrlo ust brought up, the Report of the Grenada and St. Vincent's Loan Bill, the further consideration of which. after a few observations from Mr. %Vrss hx roacs, and a tev words by way of assent from Mr. HOB HO V S sand Mr. BAIL'' :.1 t, was deferred to Monday next. Mr. Sol naz Dam proposed the third reading of the Pancras Parish Bill on Monday se'nnight, in order to atterd to the Inhabitants of the Parish an opportunity of considering the Bill in its present state, and that they might be enahlod to state their objeaions to it; for he contended, that it had un• dergone a greater number of alterations than any other Pri vate 2W heaver heard of. It was said to bt taken from the substance of twenty other Bills ; he belies* it Mfr. and that it faithfully extrafted every thing that Was objeitionable, treat each of them._ This produced a short conversation, in which Sir FR BUR DitTT and Mr. BY wo bore a part, and which endedirl the Motion being withdrawn. Mr. ALIXANDIR brought up the Report of Sir JAIOI S eist A z's Annuity Bill, which was read and agreed to, an' the Bill was ordered to be engrossed, and to be read a third time on Monday, if then engrossed. The Bill for increasing the Rate of Subsistence to keepers on quartering Soldiers, &c. was read a second tim e " and ordered to be committed to a Committee of the who's House on Monday. A person from the London Company foi the ManufaOur e of lour, Meal, and Bread, brought up so me Accounts, which were ordered to be laid before the House. Adjourned to Monday next. Na{ MA I LS. DUI. ARIIViD. French liariburgh z - - ... . 9 PRICE OF STOCKS, THIS OAT AT TWELVZ O'CLOCK. Consols • THE SUN. 1101.1161 QUIS DlCiall lALSUM AUDIT I LONDON, APRIL 2, ,So d . Rear. Admiral TEIORNBOROUGIis With 2 Squ a v dron of Frigates under his Command; was ec acd to sail ftom the Downs yesterday eveoiwgi proba" to cruise upon the Coast of France. x~~i~. +• Ws this merning received Paris Paters of th. 29th and 3otTI tilt. The Mani/ear 5 011 preser ves the most guarded silence respecting the Neg` ititi. tion, but the French Funds continue to feel 31113. terial depression. On the 29 - h the French 6 " per cents. were'at s t.. 30. which is, since the) . Or'