The Sun. — London, England, 1845-02-20 00:00:00

ebtrb %Itttion SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. BLACKWALL RA.ILW-AY COM- PANY.-(THIS DAY.) Th• sixteenth half-yearly General Meeting of the Proprietors in the Blackwell Railway was held this afternoon, at the London Tavern, Bishopsgate-street, Mr. J. N. Daniel, Chairman of the Board of Directors, in the chair. The report stated that the receipts for the past half year had amounted to 30,4331. 18s. 9d. ; and the total expenditure, including interest on debentures, had been 24,7061. 106. 5d., which, with the last half year's balance, of 1,7301. ss. 6d , left at the disposal of the Directors the sum of 7,4571. 13s. 10d., from which they recom mended the payment of a dividend of 38. per share, am ounting to 7,300/. Notwithstanding an increase cf 510,139 in the numbers carried, and of 3,231/. ss. 10d. in the receipts, there had been a decrease in the actual working expenses of the rail way, although the sum of 659/. Os. 7d. had been ex pended in deepening the well at the Minories. Pursuant to a resolution passed at the last half-yearly meet ing, the Directors had turned their attention to the practicability cf relieving the concern from a portion of the dead weight in the shape of interest by the issue of new s"bares. Several plans for effecting this object had been carefully considered, but the Directors had come to the conclusion that none of them offered sufficient inducements to secure their beiug carried out with advantage to the Company. The reduc tion in the rate of interest on the debentures now taking place would, however, probably effect the object in view. The CHAIRMAN said, that while expressing his satis faction at the improvement in the state of the affairs of the Blackwell Railway, he was only sorry that it had not been greater; but he hoped that at every successive half yearly meeting the Directors would be enabled to say that it was at least progressive. There was only one subject mentioned in the report to which he would v:irect the attention of the Proprie tors—he meant the proposition to relieve the Company from the dead weight in the shape of interest, that at present pressed so heavily upon them. The plan proposed was to issue new shares. That proposition had been carefully considered by the Board of Directors, and they were of opinion that it would militate against ex isting interests, and prove injurious to the future pros pects of the shareholders. The Proprietors were aware that two of the Directors went out at that time, and in con sequence of other avocations they could not spare the time necessary for the proper discharge of the duties imposed upon them by that Company, they requested not to stand again for their office. Dr. Bowring and Mr. Ferrors had kindly consented to form part of the Direc tion, and he was sure that it was not necessary for him t) say one word n the z.nl or interest exhibited by either of those gentlemen. Dr. BOWRING said that he, before that day, brought the subject which had been referred to by the Chairman before the Proprietors, and, if honoured with a seat, be should certainly press the subject upon the Board. They were all aware that that concern was struggling under difficulties. They were aware that it was mortgaged to the extent of 61. a share—in fact pledged to the full market value. It was with a view to reduce the enormous interest consequent upon their debts that he pressed this matter upon them ; and he hoped it would meet with due attention. Mr. MANGLES, M.P., remarked that Dr. Bowring had founded his arguments upon a fallacy most injurious to themselves, and which he said lie would be sorry to see go forth to the public. He had stated that the railway was mortgaged up to the full value, but the fact was not so.—(Hear, hear.) After some further discussion the report was adopted. The dividend recommended in the report having been duly declared, the Directors and one auditor were elected. A vote of thanks to the Chairman and the Directors followed, and the meeting separated. TATTERSALL'S.—THIS EVENING six o'cLocK. CHESTER CUP. 9 to 1 agst Semiseria 15 to 1 agst Era 18 to 1 agst Obscurity 20 to 1 agst Zanoni 22 to 1 agst Catarz:ct tis to 1 agst S. Lawrence 25 to 1 agst Winc:_.cur 25 to agst Strat hsry—taken `,7 to 1 agst Cch , ste 30 to 1 agst Extempore 30 to 1 agst The Pride of Kildare 33 to 1 agst Pug 50 to 1 agst Foig-a-ballagh. DERBY. 10 to 1 agst Alarm 13 to 1 agst Cobweb colt 15 to 1 agst Idas 16 to 1 agst hedger—taken 18 to 1 agst Pam 20 to 1 agst Newsmonger—taken 30 to 1 agst Mentor 30 to 1-agst Pantasa 30 to 1 agst Miss Whip colt 33 to 1 agst Old England 35 to 1 apt Ironmaster 40 to 1 agst Annandale SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS FROM THE EVENING PAFERS OF THIS DAI. GLOBE.—Mr. Roebuck's motion for extending the in come-tax to landed property in Ireland produced a debate creditable in its character, on the whole, to the House of Commons. Anything but talk it could not be expected a moment to produce. And for any practical purpose, he -might as well have brought forward Captain Warner's long range. How far it consists with statesmanship, or consideration for the state of public business, to table topics so merely exciting, is no business of ours to pro nounce. Sergeant Murphy said; " lie had often had occa sion to admire the position assumed by his Hon. and Learned • Friend, when standing upon the door—he resembled a hand grenade, whom all around regarded with fearful aspect, in utter doubt which of them would receive upon his devoted head the dangerous di-charge—(Laughter)—but the po sition he now occupied was more worthy of admiration sill ; the Honourable and Learned Gentleman giving occasion to general astonishment that so small a comet should attract to himself so heavy a tail." We have no doubt that the Hon and Learned Membe r ' s rhetorical artillery will prove to have even a larger range than that claimedby Captain Warner. It. will tell in the middle of Conciliation Hal, and will be returned with interest from that battery. It would almost seem as if the Member for Bath had been de irons to create a sort of connecting link between the British Parliament and that of the Irish seceders, and to supply a mutual sopic on which the repealers may keep up the ball with him. We have heard of a game of chess being carried on by letter; and we shall now see an Irish Income-tax altercation bandied back and forward by return of post. The Irish echoes, however, we anticipate, will take care to catch up only the hostile ingredients of last night's debate. That is the game of the Anti-Saxon Secession ; and Mr. Roebuck plays into their hands, just when they were at rather a loss for a move. It is curious enough to mark the unprofitable conflict of tur bulent spirits. The repealers breathe hatred and insult against English it:stittitioni and character; and Mr. Roebuck retorts hatred and insult against their collective proceedings. Why, those proceedings are neither better nor worse than the every-day tactics of popular factions. The Irish popular party have their base of operations, and magazines of stores in Ireland. It is there, and there only, that the unreasoning element (important to party success) surrounds them. In England, it is not that Irish measures receive no attention (and, by the way, few practical propositions indeed are linked with the names of most of the seceders)—it is that Irish agitation has no fitting theatre in St. Stephen's. The steam has to be got up, and to be kept up, in Ireland; and the popularimpulse which gives importance to her popular poli ticians has to be given there. Fur that purpose—for the pur pose of securing a popular party absolute predominance, undoubtedly a Parliament in Stephen's-green would be the thing. But would such a Parliament—would even the mimic Parliament which invokes it—hold quiet sittings in Dublin, but for English force, and for English phlegm ? Is it not precisely the presence of " the Saxon," that keeps the peace? and was nil the real origin of the dominion of a handful of English in Ireland—for such they were—the conflicting and discordant state of her people? After all the injustice that certainly has been done —is not every promise of Irish prosperity, every security for freedom in conjunction with public order—distinctly depen dant on the arm of Government being still, in that country, a strong arm ? And can any Government he strong in Ireland, unless with the strength of passion and terrorism., except an English Government? These Irishmen who choose to take no share in it (on the most open and influential arena in the world, the British House of Commons) appear to us simply to exercise a preference of the part of demagogues to that of statesmen. We cannot prevent them, if they will, from so doing; but we would add no idle provocation. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSF.; OF LORDS. The I ORD CHANCE' LOR took his scat on the Woolsack short'y alter Five e!:. MEDICAL PEFORNI. The Earl of DI..VON presented a petition from the m dicq practitioners Faster against the Medical Re- f -tin 1.411. NEWSPAPERS. Lord CAMPBELL prescnteti a petition, as we un trasttioveeat,ofrom an individual residing in Montgomery, the T conveyance of newspapers by the General Post-Ii e. that his Nt,ble The Noble and Lcatned Lord regretted not present, as riend at the head of the Post-office was he of f considered the petition well worthy the attention petitioner e,nnpfaitrideei Government. The grievance the I on lon, in di r.ceivin,l, was, that the postmasters in o i tisQs forte t ters in the metropolis —seemed to stunk they ';1 a t, right to abstract newspapers for their own use or hat 3 they friends. The letter receivers seemed to think p ( o ; r y had a right to take tithe s , o .a ns who sent them to their of newspapers from all friends. The consequence The petitioner that newspapers that ctitioner stated this to were seat seldom arrived. be a great grievance, and a gross P breach of duty on the part of the POE office receivers. The petitioner sug gested that a return should be made of the different corn plaiws that had been brought forward on the s u bj ect. it was his intention to move for a return to that o Effect. The Duke of WELLINGTON —The N Learned Lord I hope will- move it to-m orrow, able anal b Noble Lord at the head of the Pest-office is not present. Lofd nt. Lofd CAMPBELL acceded to the proposition of the Noble Duke, and gave notice that he would to-morrow move for a return of the number of applications made during the last twelvemonths to the General Post-office, complaining of the wiscsrriage of newspapers. 'I he LORD CHANCELLOR, laid a Bill on the table allowing bail in error in cases of misdemeanour. NEW HOUSE OF PEERS. Lord CAMPBELL, seeing the Noble Lord the Presi clout of the Council in his place, would ask him what prospect there was of their getting epeedy possession of 1 their new chamber. The present was the eleventh session since the new Houses were begun, and he (Lord Camp bell) did not find that they made much progress yet. He (Lord Campbell) had sat on that bench (pointing to one of the cross benches) for six hours and a half on a late day, and he could assure Nob!e Lords that he felt the inconveniences of the building very greatly. The house was exceedingly old and exceedingly inconvenient, and therefore it was that he asked the Noble Lord if it was likely that they would soon enter into possession of the new chamber. Lord BROUGHAM would add his testimony to that of his Noble Friend. There was nothing to qualify the inconveniences of the House during the day sittings, excepting, perhaps, the pleasure of hearing the Learned Counsel engaged in the causes before their Lordships. The LORD CHANCELLOR had, as well as his Noble Friends who had spoken on this subject, sat for six hours to hear causes, and he did not feel the great inconveniences complained of. It might be that he was somewhat warmer clothed than the Noble Lord (Brougham), and therefore did not suffer in the same degree.—(Great laughter.) Lord WHARECLIFFE said there was not much probability of their Lordships having the use of the House during this session. The roofing, he believed, was partly finished, but he would undertake to make some inquiries upon the subject. Lord REDESDALE said, if it would give any satis faction to the Noble Lord, he could inform him that not only was the external roofing finished but the interior was also ready to be put up at any moment, and he had no doubt that the whole would be in a condition to be occupied at the beginning of the next session. ADMISSION OF CATHOLIC STUDENTS TO TRINITY COLLEGE, DUBLIN. Lord STRANGFORD gave notice that, on a future day, he should move for a return of the nnmber of per sons professing the Roman Catholic religion entered at Trinity College, Dublin, in the years from 1829 to 1844 inclusive. In answer to a question from a NOBLE LORD as to the time occupied by the railway department of the Board of Trade in the consideration of railway projects, Lord DALHOUSIE declined to give the required in formation. He requested their Lordships not to express any opinion as to the conduct of that department until after the report of their proceedings had been laid upon the table. Their Lordships were aware that not less than two hundred and forty-eight projects had come be fore them, and they bad been constantly engaged in the consideration of them. When the labours of the department were seen, then, indeed, if it were proved that they had done nothing, it would be time enough to visit them with displeasure, but in the meantime he prayed them to deft r expressing any opinion till that report should be furnished. The House then adjourned. lIOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. RAILWAY BILLS. Petitions were presented for the Cockermouth and Workington Railway Bill; the Kendal and Windermere Railway Bill; and the Manchester and Buxton Railway Bill. Petitions were presented against the Glasgow Junc tion Railway Bill, and tho Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway Bill. A report was brought up that the Committee recom mended that the standing orders should be dispensed with in respect to the London and York Railway; and also that the standing orders h3d been complied with in the case of the Pontefract and Goole Railway. MANCHESTER AND CARLISLE RAILWAY BILL. This Bill was read a first time. MEDICAL REFORM BILL. Mr. VERNON HARCOURT presented a petition praying that the Medical Reform Bill might not be pro ceeded with. SALE OF LIQUORS ON THE SABBATH. Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition from the Manchester Temperance Society, and also one from Ash bourne, in Derbyshire, pra) ing the House to take mea sures for preventing the sale of intoxicating liquors of the Sabbath. '!" THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY" 20, 1845. the Boston Union the board of guardians had refused to comply with the orders of that' House. As far as the Poor-law Commissioners were concerned they had done all in their power to enforce the orders of that House. It had, however, been found impossible to compel com pliance, and it would, therefore, be for the House to take some steps upon it. He (Sir James Graham) had always eondemned the practice of crushing bones by manual labour, but objectionable as the practice Has admitted to be, it did not come within the operation of the law. In answer to a question from Mr. BARNABY, Sir JAMES GRAHAM said it was his intention on an early day to ask leave to bring in a Bill to settle the law with respect to orders of magistrates in bastardy cases. This Bill had been rendered necessary by a recent decision of a Learned Judge, who had held that the orders of magistrates were at present illegal. rI'ALIAN REFUGEES. Sir CHARLES NAPIER wished to put a question to the Right Hon. Bat onet opposite with respect to a statement which he had made the other night regarding the two sons of Admiral Bandiera, and twenty other in dividuals. The Right Hon. Baronet had stated that in the expedition in which these individuals had been en gaged, the Governor of the lonian Islands and the Go vernment at home had been taken by surprise. Ile wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronet whether any re port was made to the Government at home of the cir cumstances, and whether any instructions were given by the Home Government to the Governor of the lonian Islands us to bow he was to act ? lie wished to know whether any instructions had been given by the Governor of these islands to prevent them from landing. if Lord Seaton had acted a humane part, instead of sending a communication to the Neapolitan Gceernmefit, he should have sent the steamer to acquaint those twenty-two unfortunate individuals and apprise them of their danger. He wished to know whether the Governor had represented to the two Bandiera,. and twenty others that they had communicated with the Government what he knew of their intentions ? Sir R. PEEL said he had stated all he knew of this matter the previous evening; but, for the satisfaction of the Gallant Officer, he would endeavour to answer his question. No communication had been made by Lord Seaton to the Neapolitan Goverment, respecting the in tended landing of these 22 individuals until after they had sailed. He did not recollect that Lord Seaton had made any communication to the British Government of the arrival of these individuals to the British Govern ment on the Friday after their departure. Lord Seaton stated to the Neapolitan officer that one of the Ban deira had arrived in the lonian Islands in the month of February ; that be then went to Malta and subse quently returned to the lonian Islands, and then he had conducted himself there in a manner not to excite any suspicion whatever ; that on the 12th, when they sailed, the Governor did not suspect their intentions, because they left unarmed. On the 13th the Consuls applied to Lord Seaton fur an armed steamer to apprehend these people. The Consuls that applied to him were the Aus trian Consul, the Russian Consul, and the Consul fur the Papal States. An HON. MEMBER (on the Opposition side of the House)—The Neapolitan Consul. Sir R. PEEL—WeII, I am stating to the best of m) retollection, sod if I be incorrect, I will state to morrow evening in what respect I am so. I have not, now the papers by me. Lord Seaton distinctly stated, when remonstrated with, that he considered those reports very much exaggerated, and that he could not think that it was the intention of those people to land on the coast of Calabria. Sir C. NAPIER said that what he wished to know was, whether Lord Seaton had communicated to the 13andieras, after he had received the remonstrances of the Consuls, so as to warn them of the danger which they were incurring by atempting to land on the coast of Calabria? Sir R. PEEL said that about ten o'clock in the even ing of the 12th of June the Bandieras had sailed from Corfu, and that Lord Seaton had not previously had the least conception that it was their intention to sail from the island. On the 13th the Consuls had made their re presentations alluded to. The Ilon. and Gallant Officer .skesl if Lord Seaton had made any communication to the Bandieras. Now, it was impossible that he could have made any communication to them before they sailed, because he had entertained no suspicion whatever of their intention to leave the island. If the Hon. and Gallant Officer intended to ask whether Lord Seaton had sent a boat after them to make a communication to them on the subject, the reply was, that most cer tainly Lord Seaton had not. Lord J. RUSSELL observed that the statement of the Right Hon. Baronet was, that twenty of these indivi duals had sailed in two boats from the island of Corfu. Now, it had been stated in the public newspapers that a letter had been written by one of the Bandieras the day before his death, in which he stated that the per son on horseback, who accompanied them from the island of Corfu, was the person who had betrayed them to the Neapolitan Government. Now he asked if that person had held any communication either with Lord Seaton, or with any person in connexion with the Bri tish Government, on that subject? Sir R. PEEL would state to the Noble Lord to-mor row. Re would have been perfectly willing to state to the Noble Lord to-day if he had had notice of the ques tion. Perhaps the Noble Lord would be kind enough to repeat the question to-morrow. Mr. MONCKTON MILNES asked if there was any objection to lay b. fore the House some portion of the papers connected with this subject.—(Cries of •• All all," and cheers.) . It was a matter that had created an in • tense interest throughout the country, and the country would not be satisfied without further information. Sir R. PEEL was not aware whether or not the corre spondence contained matters which would render it in. expedient to produce the whole of it. He had no objection whatever to lay before the House the substance of it, but it could not be expected that he could pledge himself to produce the whole of the corre spondence v ithout having carefully perused the dispatches of Lord Seaton. He thought the House would content to give him time to answer the question ; but he would at once state that no communication had been made from the British Government to the Neapolitan Government, and that no communication had been received from Lord Seaton respecting the Bandieras, until after they had sailed. The firtt communication from a foreign Power, which the British Government had received on the subject, was a letter from Vienna, dated the 26th of July, containing a remonstrance against our having permitted that expedition. On receiving that intimation they called upon Lord Seaton for a further report, and they received from him two letters exactly in conformity with what had been stated. Mr. S. W. HOPE said he might also state, from hav ing been in possession of the correspondence, that the Government had 'received no notice whatever, and on further search lie had not been able to find any, of the arrival of the Bandieras in the lonian Islands ; the cnly notice of their being there was an application from the Austrian Government to have them aelivered up as deserters from the Austrian naval ser vice, which thi re was no power or wish on the part of the Government to do. Mr. 'l'. DUNCOMBE—Did the Austrian Government give you any notice of the Bandieras being in Corfu ? Mr. HOPE said the Government received no notice whatever. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE—Why, it was in Mazzini's letters !—(Great laughter.) Mr. S CRAWFORD asked if was the intention of the Government to bring in this session a measure on the subject of the law of landlord and tenant in Ireland. Ile would give notice of the question for Monday next, if it would suit the convenienceof the Right Hon. Gentleman. Sir R. PEEL said the evidence taken by the Landlord and Tenant Commission was being prepared with every expedition, and before he answered the question of the Hon. Gentleman on the part of the Government, it would be necessary that he should see that evidence. Mr. S. CRAWFORD had no wish to press the Right Hon. Gentleman, alid he would postpone his question to a future day in consequence of what had fallen from him. the propriety of making some, such attempts as that I most gracious Majesty to grant to that College the , by the report on the division, that they had not, to use a nau- I made by the Honourable Member ' near him. Any 1 Charter which received the sign manual of the Crown on I tical term, gone "bout ship" but had recorded their votes in I person who inspected the magnificent works of his I the 14 th day of Septembe r, 1843. favour of this motion.— (Laughter.) He would say it was esteemed friend, Mr. Marshall of Leeds, might see Mr. HUSIE moved for a Select Committee to inquire .. o" e e,roupd, of common justice that this motion had been in how efficiently this nuisance might' be abated. The I into the state and manlier merit of the lighthouses, flees- trialueed to this H use. The lion. Member for Duttgat von House would do well to apply itself to get rid of what i ing lights, buoys, and beacons, under the charge Hou e to deal with the proposition in accordance . had appealed to the consideration of the House, and asked the s must be allowed to be a great nuisance, not merely with I and management o f t he C or p oration of Trinit y House regard to taste or appearance, but with regard to its of Deptford Strou d, of the Commissioners of would appear that the Honourable A. , be b Member contended ''i'ih it injurious effects on the health of the inhabitants of the Northern Lighthous es, of the Cor p oration for preserv- with * the spirit of the Art of Uni l o e n manufacturing districts.-(Hear, hear.) - ing and improving the Port of Dublin, and of all that if this tax were imposed, there would be a breach of faith .i and good understanding; but he (Sir J. Tyrrell) would con- Mr. P. BORTHWICK said that the Hon. Gentleman lights, buoys, and beacons, iu the hands of any tend for it that there were very few Members of the Hou is opposite said that scientific and practical men should other corporation, public body, or private individuals who would take that view of this proposition. T.'pon a former be examined before any Bill was brought in on the snb- whomsoever ; also into the amount of the gross and the occasion, when Mr. Bankes made a similar proposition to that ject. Now, the fact was, that scientific and practical net revenue, the expenses of managing the same, and the Ht.,ase, he called upon the clerk at the table to read the seventh men had been examined before the Committee, and their appropriation thereof ; also, itito the authorities wider clause of the Act of Union, and the argument then used by opinion was that the nuisance of smoke could be abated, which the respective dues are collected and applied ; I.l l; a e t gentleman would have completely upset the arguments of and that it might be effected without any considerable also, to inquire into th e c ircumstances attendin g the pur- the Hon. Member for Dutigarvon, and would not have left and that it might be effiscted without any considerable also, to inquire into the circumstances attending the pur- h a ll o le n . g t II O I e s m t a b o c d , r o ft: — D ( tr A n g l a a r ti v g o h n , ) a n But d w o t 11 e d eHootn . h a ß v a e ro l n e e f t t loss to the manufacturers:—(Hear, hear ) That chase of private lighthous e s , and the state of the at the head of her Majesty's Government had said ti.at it would being the case, and no witness having come before amount of these purchases ; also, to ascertain all the be unjust to impose the income-tax upon Ireland. Now, he the Committee to show that it was impossible to annihi- changes or improvements that have been made (Sir John Tyrrell) held in his hand a report of the sentiments late the nuisance, he thought the House ought not to in lighthouses, &c.. and the extent of relief which has rf the Hon. Baronet, uttered upon this subject in 1833, when throw any impedient in the way of his Hon. Friend's been afforded by reduction or alteration of dues in the he said that Ireland should nut be exempt from any such iin- Bill, but should allow it to be committed, averse as any one United Kingdom since 1834 ; and how far the recom- po e s a t r ,. ) as s H uc e h os a ir me j a . si T u y e rr w el o o ul w d ss be as e m xt u re al n.ely unjust.—(Hear, Mr. HAWES said as this was the second time the mendation of the Select Committee on lighthouses in h Bill was brought before the House, he wished to ask the 1834 have been carried out. al s o , to consider whether to any unjust taxation of Ireland ; but in the present pro- Noble Lord at the head .of the Woods and Forests, any and what alterations can be made in the amount position it was intended to deal only w.th the rich per plc of whether the Government had formed any opinion upon of the light and other dues, and into the management thatea peered i c i c ou ntry.—(Hear, ntry 7 I t i h e e ar, Ho h u sa e r. ) upon n ro t m his thesl subject, he e th i a ia t d alio :s*t in the subject ? The question was one of importance, and of the same, for the relief of the shipping of the country. one in which the manufacturers and manufacturing die - Mr. LIDDELL said it was not his intention to raise liesirtation) exist n xi say that those e Ao now occ u u l eie . d , seats en the 'treasury benches, g as well as those on the l other side, who tricts weredeeply interested.—(Hear, hear.) Before legis- any discussion on the motion of the lion. Gentlemsn, the held e camnissions in the army, were too much in the habit •f lating on the subject, they, ought to inquire whether it Member for Montrose, but he begged to remind him that regarding their places as faiiiils-seats, and all were too often were practicable at allto annihilate the nuisance; and if so the Committee which sat on the subject, of which found on the same side of the House. Yes, he would say whether the Bill proposed by •the Hon. Gentleman was the Hon. Member for London was the Chairman, had again, that Hon. Members on the Ministerial side were too calculated to effect that object—(Hear, hear.) Ile not allowed this matter to escape them. He did not see often to be found joining Hon. :Members on the Opposition side agreed with his Hon. Friend, the Member for Durham, that the lion. Gentleman could obtain any further in- on the voluntar y p rinci p le—(Lau g hter) —while those on the that the Bill was impracticable in its present state, and formation than was to be found in the report of that Opposition side were to be equally often found supporting the Right Hoe. Baronet on the compulsory principle.—( Great if entertained at all should be referred to a Select Cum- Committee. laughter.) He had been led to understand that even now mittee. Mr. HUME said, that he read both the report to there was a negotiation going on far a conciliation measure Lord LINCOLN said that the attention of the Go - which the Honourable Gentleman at uded, and also w i t h I re l an d, between the Noble Lord the Member for London vernment had been turned 'to the subject. lie had him- the report of the Committee on Shipwrecks, both and some of the pposition eierrbers.--( Laughter. ) Now, if self consulted upon it several practical gentlemen. and he of which alluded incidentally to the subject. But the papers were in a sufficiently forward state, he would move agreed with the Ilon. Gentleman who spoke last, that the object which he (Mr. Hume) had in view was a that they be laid upon the table of the House.—(Laughter. ) they had now to consider two points—was it practicable financial one, and neither of those Committees di- He bad heard much of justice to Ireland ; but he would say to abate the nuisance? And was the Bill before the House rested its attention to this view of the subject. that, if this proposition was not carried, there would not be adapted to the purpose ? As to the first question, he The Motisn was then agreed to. justice done to that country in pecuniary matters.—( Laughter.) thought it was possible' to abate the nuisance. —(hear.) POST-OFFICE ESPIONAGE. If this were not carried, what was meant by the often-repeated phrase of " Ilereditary bondsmen don't know."—( Shouts But he was at the same time disposed to think with the Oa the motion of Mr. I'. DLTNCONIBE the order cf of laughter.) He was not for taxing the lower orders of the Hon. Member for Durham, that the Bill would not be the day for the adjourned debate on the Post-office in- Irish people ; but if the income-tax were imposed upon the effective.—(Hear.) The subject was one of great corn- quiry was read. - - landlords of that country, he could not agree that the result mercial importance. He was , inclined to think, under Ilr.-MONCKTON MILNES rose, and was would not be an outbreak in that country, because those who the circumstances he had stated, it was impossible they • [LEFT SPEAKING.] . had to pay it were bound to keep the peace by the best possible could allow this Bill to proceed. security—namely, the preservation of their own interests. — Mr. MARK PHILLIPS thought the Hon. Gentleman q e s Cituat. Cow.—ln the Court o f Exchequer, water- ( Hear, hear.) He had now nearly concluded ; but be forehad anticipated the acquiescence of the manufacturing ibiai, day,zi.trt thei t t itiee e r ~aacs sittings t arranged itdn i:fartese fb defendant iirati Trinity ,i t t l ) i . e cave of o n. f t 1 Dunne eiiihaen ft] r e . ipu li rtoi l frp n ,e g r , 3t s yi should-be o . t p l i k tt l i : li b ; ei Dunne, th haere ; he n a nt e ( ! sp i w d erha s , o b.alre h r e pseee h me o h p e ed, before the close of this de interest in introducing this Bill.' In the borough he hadHonourable Hon. ourbll‘efemtleerm for r r D u r n e g p a l the honour to represent, the Corporation possessed powerof till: and that the defendant is to —(Loud to make experiments to suppress the smoke nuisance. pay I,sool.—Dublin Evettin c 7l ll V iised, laughter.) There was to be a remission of tax yr e v s nnt to o• Trio power was given to them by a Bill introduced into a large amount, in Ireland, on sugar and on glass ; and, there that House last session by his - Hon. Friend the Member IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN T. fore, if there were not an equivalent imposed, he could tell the House that great discontent would be created, for the commer for Durham •, but he was notsaware whether the regula tions of the Corporation had yet come into farce. Ile did HOUSE OF COMMONS, Feb. 19. cial interests of this country were crawlingly alive to such con not intend to oppose the measure of the Hon. Gentleman INCOME-TAX. Mr. ROEBUCK (in continuation from our Third Edition duct.—( Loud laughter.) Mr. WILLIAMS had listened with attention to the speech of last night) said—lf they pointed to the stamp duty, of the Hon Member for Dungarvon, but he regretted to say he opposite ; but lie would suggest, whether it would not be better to postpone the Bill until the results of these ex- he would - say change it, because se - it was a tax which fell upo had heard no arguments adduced in it which convinced him periments were made known. with his measure. During hear.) Mark how they the actual capital of the country. He said, then, charge it by that this tax should not be imposed on the landlords of Ireland. Mr. BECKETT thought -the Hon. Menber was per- all means, and place it non fectly justified in proceedingHe (Mr. Wiliiams) did think that any landlord in Ireland, had eLlan d d ea lo it rd w s i o:f h. lrel T a ' n h d e .— po ( w H er ea o r, f whether he had 1,00111., i or 10,000/ ,or 20,000/. a-year, should the recess, tho gentlemen of Leeds had several meetings governing the country had been conceded to them. Within pay this tax as welt as the tractesnien in England, A kin hail telly leili. a-year profit by their trade. Now the proposition he on this subject, and he took the opportunity of attending the last few years a large portion of the tithes of the country ( A. r. Williams) would make was, that those persons in Ireland them. Most of those gentlemen appeared favourable to had been given to them, and every man who bought an estate who received their incomes out of the public money, should pay why legislative enactments for the suppression of the smoke now bought with it soars of the tithes of the cuuntry. nuisance, and he repeated the Hon. Gentleman was should they not be taxed, then, in the same way as the knowtliis tax, i"tineelLi as they did in England. He should like to perfectly justified in proceeding with his measure.— lr h dlords and hard-working citizens of England?—(Hear.) 20, 7. a y ear of o the public money, I s r h el o a ti n l d d , n w ot ho re t c h e i i s v t e a d x abo H u e t (Cries of " Hear, hear.") Experiments had been tien tehnimsn i i ii erc o i 2 a t l i h nte t r h est: in ali tli , at hri H he o , use h were . asked h t as t o well sane- call would likewise y wish to know why the y Chief Secretary Pa of Ireland made by several manufacturers, and he could it, as it was P , that y wo e rd m ) offered them, e wh n il t e g they were also did not pay this tax? That officer had 500/. a-year more than the state that the results had been most satisfactory. called upon to bear with the extra tax upon income, Secretary of State for the Home Department, and not half so In conclusion, he would only observe that what had in order to reieve the landlords of Ireland. much to do, and yet he had not this tax to pay. Neither was it paid by the judges of Ireland, who received air agi2regate taken place in Leeds 'afforded great encouragement to Now, mark well, his point was not with any class sum of 150,000/. a-sear of the public money. He had before him the people of the town, and the results were expected to in Ireland, but the untaxed landlords of that country. documents by wh l ich . to prove that in fifteen years, between 1821 be such as would lead to very satisfactory regulations. ihe Irish landlord paid no assessed taxes ; he Mr. MUNTZ said, it would but very ill become him came now to this country—to this city, and brought }.oars, only re m a e n . v t i i a r i t d ee o n n t l l y t one-twelfth of the taxes ;in fifteen to offer any objection to this Bill, considering that his horses and carriages, and lived here in lodgings, te ars, while while in the Tar 1844, the in !Ye yea: s, only one-six had lived in the midst :of smoke all his life.— it h n e d yet he was not called on to pay taxes for them ; while . if Ireland did not exceed 4,0,7061 , et t i n d ou E n n t l o ati f dtaxae.sd,poi, the y e (Laughter.) But this he would tell the llouse, that in hor(sileihreßshneo u blek) wished to f e r as i e t. his tn a fi u rm h i t t e i r es ) by T kr i e e p f i t n i g h a t same year, 51,000,000 e He thought that great injustice had some trades smoke might be got rid id, while in others Hon. GentlemarPranyeaarxelisimn(add—res(sin it . —(Laughter .) Shell) migght been done to Ireland ; but he would contend for it that in the it would be perfectly impossible. For instance, it would keep his three horses and a carriage h g ere if he chose, and item of taxes that country had been most remarkably pro be ruinous to the iron trade to do so, and therefore the live in lodgings, and pay no taxes for them, while he tested. It was well known that one-third of the Crown patronage in this country had bo en bestowed on Ireland— House ought to be very • careful as to what Bill (Mr. Roebuck), if he kept but one horse , down came (Cries of " eO, no") --and therefore, if the Right Hon. they should introduce before t he y legislated upon this the tax - gatherer. (Loud laug hter. ) Those Irish subject. In the Bill formerly ' proposed, it was intended landlords, those lords of thousands, came to London, travelled t ßa i ro te n i et d did he not l give good reasons for not extending this tax to appoint insprctors to inquire the extent of the rui- to Paris —Brussels—the Nile, came back again, lived here, .n . ere a w n e , . (i Ir. Williams) would persevere in his motion. sauce ; but he would say that if the nuisance was so small but—no taxes—(Laughter)—while if he (111 r. Roebuck) left in were levier; t‘m.haineitt cost of import on which small duties as to require inspectors, it could not be called a nuisance his home and took a little recreation elsewhere, there was his not worth while to retsat in sc t r h much a in th the collection . that it was failinghoose ready to be seized by the iron grasp of the never. at the sai time that th e e o l u o i s d s at all.—(Hear, and a laugh.) But let the House under- of time and the vexation which em th tax-gatherer, whether he (Mr. Rebuck) was there -( collection iear occasioned hear stand this, 'that it was useless to expect to get rid of only be known to the importers.— , .) If the or not.—(Laughter ) Then let the House look at the la smoke without an increase of the expense of fuel. He bours of the • of this country, though his Customs' duties on fifty articles were repealed, the sacrifice of hod tried many experiments, and hail always found this earnings were professional the result man of hard toil, who, yet had to revenue would not be more than half amillion.—( Hear, hear. ) Taking the cost of colic ction of the stamp duties, the income to be the result. The great difficulty that all masters pay a tax upon income. —(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member * tax the assessed taxes, and the window-tax, it amounted found was to make their men attentive. concluded by proposing his amendment, which was to the effect ' only to 4311,000!., and that was for the collection of Mr. GILL said that both experience and reason that the property-tax be extended to Irelend. 16 850 ' OWL .or about one-fourth of the whole revenue. If taught him that there must be a considerable saving its Mr. SHELL said he would commence by saying to the all t the taxes were collected at the same rate, the cost would fuel by the consumption of smoke. Hon. Member who had jus t s at down, that thou g h he had be only 1,600,000/. for the collection of 59 000 000/ that „ ~ so Mr. Alderman COPELAND said there was an appa- done him the honour of paying him a compliment in the a vast amount could be saved by • • • allusion . he had made, he regretted he could r e a s iT h g at th e e a. revenue from ratus at present in operation at all the dockyards of the other sources than the vexatious tax e under the not reciprocate the compliment.—(Cries of "Hear, hear.") country by which smoke was consumed. head of Customs and Ex • eise. At the same time, he admitted His Hon. Friend had adverted to the absence of many Irish re- tI at no one Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.could find fault with the reductions which the presentatives from the United Parliament. Now, he (Mr. • PENAL ENACTMENTS AFFECTING ROMAN Shell)felt with his • great sympathy CATHOLICS. he had not thought it judicious or consistent with his duty to that he had made more, and c h osen ot h er ar ti c l es . N ow , h e insist say that there Mr. WATSON rose to bring in a Bill for a further his own constituents to follow their example.—( Loud cheers.) • t ataneeef a burden n w s as not in the whole history of taxation an so heavy imposed upon the same amount repeal of the enactments imposing pains and penalties At the same time he should be very sorry to im p u g n their mo- of l population as now pres i ! e ed upon the people of Great Bri upon her Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects on account tives, felt their case was this, that Ireland was not adequately fain. —(Hear, hear.) We now in the thirtieth of their religion. He expressed a hope, that if the Go- re p resented. The case the y made was, that the county .of year of peace, and the taxation was as heavy as at the height of vernment should permit • this Bill to be introduced Cork returned only five Members , whereas the principalities the war. The Right Hon. Barone —it opposite (Sir J. Graham) the discussion upon it would be taken on the second- Is‘fi Wales, with a smaller p o pul a tion, returned thirty-three had written a boo( A lk— augh)n which he proved, that, reading. The Bill was similar in its operation to the embers. Many large t owns h a d no r e pre s entatives at all, • • taking into account the state of the currency, although the whereas every insignificant town in England, with 2,000 tuba-.• ' one which was introduced into the House of Lords last nominal amount of the taxation in the year 1813 (the most bitants returned two Members . They that they had not said session, on the same subject, by Lord Beaumont. the benefit ' of English institutions. But his Hon. Friend expensive of the war), was 81,000,000!., it was really equal (Mr. Roebuck) was willing to give them the benefit of such The measure had received the sanction of the Lord only to 52,000,000!. He could see no reason for the increase Chancellor, and the principal law authorities of the House English institutions as the same - Church, the same income- of the naval expenditure, which was to be greater in this year of Lords. He did not imagine that there could be any tax, but not the same registration or eP resentation. They of profound peace than it was in 1841, when we had 26 ships objection to the principle of the Bill, and the details of said that they had tried for fourteen years r since the Reform of the line at sea.—( Hear) He did not, however, object to it could be more advantageously discussed in Com. 1311, to obtain justice.—( Hear, hear.) They despaired of keeping the navy which was the best defence of the country, but he objected altogether to the proposed increase of the P mittee than on the present occasion. He w as er- success. They were overwhelmed by the majority of English fectly prepared to go into the su bj ect, if t h e H ouse and Scotch Members, and they thought it better te try the almY'. The average amount of the army in 10 years, when the Whigs were in office (and they had enough to do with war in wished him to do so.—(Cries of " Move, move.") But pressure out of doors.—(Cheers.) Nut by force, but by a China and other places on their hands), was 105,059, but now he thought he should' be better consulting the convent- gentle kind of violence.—(Cheers and laughter.) They in profound peace it was to be 129,000 men, with an increase nietee of the House by contenting himself with thought that by these means, more effectually than by their simply besides of 2,500 marines, and 10,000 armed pensioners.— moving for leave to bring in the Bill. presence in Parliament, they might induce that power and the ( Hear, hear. ) He trusted that when the Right Hon. Baronet Sir ROBERT INGLIS wished to hear Governmenta to give them the benefit of English institutions. came to the estimates he would . be prepared either to satisfy some state- --(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member for Kendal wished the rnents with regard to the objects ofthe House of a necessity for the increase, or to make a consider the Bill, and . income-tax to be erpetuated, and the Hon. Member for Bath in the absence of such statements, it able reduction .—( Hear.) When the present amendment was was impossible wished it to be infinite —(Hear, hear, and laughter)—so that for him to vote for the affi rmat i ve o f t h e quest i on. between them they would have it a divine tax.—(Laughter.) disposed of, he should move that the tax upon income he ex ile begged to state deliberately, th a t at present he could H e ( Mr. Sheil) did venture , be t ween Tuesday m o rnin g and tended to salaries in Ireland. Mr. ROSS would not at present go into a discussion of all form nu opinion whatever upon the subject of the Bill Wednesdayevening, to refer to the speech of the Hon. Member the questions which the Hon. Gentleman had introduced. for he did not know to what pena l t i es t h e R oman C a- , for Bath, and he did think that that speech contained some But he would say that his proposition for extending the income tholics were exposed :or from what it was proposed to moat admirable admonitions. That speech was said to be tax to Ireland had so much the appearance of justice th a t h e relieve them. He should, like to hear the statement of imbued with some of the spirit of a distinguished individual (Mr. Ross) might probably feel it his duty to vote the Hon. Member before he decided u 1 ). pon the subjec t , ject, • formerly a Member of that House, and he did believe that, on a with the Honourable Gentleman if it came to a di review of the efforts of that great man, that this to which his oh- . . and for that reason he would sugthe ' of gest propriety servation had been directed was the most important, if the debate being adjourned.he would only say that, if the Hon. and Learned Gentleman very best. It exhibited that gr all d the ful a n s es h s e of tc his were placed in the situation of the Right Hon. Baronet, he Sir J. GRAHAM (who addressed the House amidst power, as comprehensive and eat n ra d ar i l n ia great confusion, which rendered him at times inaudahle) bright in imagination and brilliant aee in idea . jn rth e e nt Hon. Mem"! would not have ventured to bring forward his present proposi tion.—(" Hear, hear," from Sir R. Peel.) There were con expressed a wish that he - had had an opportunity of ber had drawn from such a source, he had drawn with advan sideratioris of policy which, in some cases, mu s t we i g h aga i ns t speaking to the Hon. Gentleman on the subject before tape ; and he did tuspeet that he observed som ethin g o f t he ?ri p te roposition which had abstract justic e i n it s f avour .—( H ear .) he had addressed the House: The measure was only a s p irit of his ori g inal in those forcible addresses which he had present position of Ireland was so very peculiar, that the part o f a larger measure which had received the heard in that House when the Hon. Member was warning the income-tax could not be applied to that country, and he sanction of of the other liduse of Parliament.—(Hear, Government of the day not to interefere with the rights of the retted exceedingly the colonies, and when in estimating their supplies he emphaticallysentiments oi theaddressed .by the Hon. hear, and cheers.) The subject , : however, was one Member for Bath to the landlords sister . kingdom. They which had been under the consideration of the rcevenues t e h t em ea n n o tn t ia for a whatNow,inomen moment to a w tt a e s ni t tto ee lay s h e an t d he s on H the were at all times ready to subscribe to agricultural and medical Commissioners for the Consolidation of the Criminal 11Ieisber was now pursuing He we. , attemptli r ig to indtoice institutions for the relief of the deserving poor. He thought Law. To that commission, there had recently t h e Government to violate the very principle of which he him- then it would be injurious at this period oo extend the 'tog:me been added Sir Edward Bryce, Mr. Richards, self had, but a • few years ago, been such an able lax to Ireland, anal he trusted that, hereafter. this debate and Mr. Amos, who , had just return ed from India. advocate. No such plan as the Hon. Member might lead Hon. Gentlemen to entertain sympathetic views towards helmet. He entreated them not to turn their hearts The first great question-which would come under the for Bath had recommended had ever been adopted, against its mi4ortunes, but he felt assured that the debate consideration of this Commission was the penal statutes. For when the income-tax had first been laid on by Mr. Pitt, in would not be closed wilhont a better feeling being produced The Commission intended to consolidate the statutes 1793, which was before the union, no attempt had been made into one great code, arranging them under two separate to extend the impost to Ireland. The income-tax was re- towards that lately country. Every one knew the suffer ings it had undergone. It had been disturbed by poli and distinct heads . Afte r t his explanation it was for pealed in 1803, at the end of the war. The emergency which tical commotions, and was it right, now that the public mind occasioned it had passed away. It e was always considered a the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to say whether or nowas becoming soothed, to pass an Act which would disturb the he would persist in his motion. If the Hon. and Learned necessity , tax —a ta d x s to be ns imposed on the arising e l o d f extraordinary better feeling which was beginning to be engendered on the Gentleman persisted in Isis motion, he would trot offer the war inmle B r o g 4 e :lc y wa a s ,one ti justify it. On other side of the channel towards this country.—(Cheers.) again imposed, but even any objection to it. then, notwithstanding all the outlay of this country, it was not Lord BERNARD said, connected as he was with Ireland Lord JOHN RUSSELL was understood to exp ress exten d e d to I re l an d . - N e ith er L o rd Sidmouth, nor Mr. by birth and other ties, he could not quietly listen to the sen timents which had been expressed with regard to the landlords his approbation of the course which the Commission Pitt, nor Mr. Percival, nor Lord Liverpool, had ever thought of that country. Before, however, he proceeded to discuss that intended to pursue, and he was glad to hear that the of extending the income-tax to Ireland, and he (Mr. Shell) question, he would take leave to refer to the opening part of criminal code and the statute law were about to be con- did doubt whether after these experiments and occasions— the speech of the Hon. Member for Dungarvon. The Hon. solidated. At the same time, ho saw no objection to extreme occasions—any attempt to extend such a measure to Gentleman had complained that Ireland was not fairly repro of introduction of the Bill by the Hon. and Learned Ireland could be made of any profitable avail, and he stinted in the Legislature of the United Kingdom ; but he did think that it would be a little, as well as an unwise at- Gentleman. could distinctly state that this was not the fact. The Hon, and Lord J. MANNERS said, as the Hon. Member for tempt, to draw on the confined resources of Ireland to swell Learned Member for Bath hadcharged ' * the goltlen Pactolus of British opulence.—(llear, hear .) • • • • Lymington did not propose to proceed any farther than It was true that the revenues of Ireland exceeded the legitimate land with desiring to shrink from sustaining their share of the the first stage of the Bill before Easter, he trusted the expenses of that country ;it did not exceed the debt of Ire- burdens which the exigencies of the times required to be iin- Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for the University of land, but that debt was created by its connexion with this nosed on the country. If there was a great financial scheme to be carried—if measures were to be proposed from which it was Oxford, w ould w ithdraw his opposition to the measure. country. It was hard, after suffering all that had been cast Sir R. INGLIS said be , did not oppose the Bill ; he upon them by this country, they should put upon them the in- reasonable to anticipate most important benefits would resu l t , he was sure that the landlords of Ireland would not be found only wished for a postponement to give time for confide- come-tax. The ground and quit rents of Ireland had been shrinking from bearing their part of the national burden. But ration. He would, however, withdraw his opposition. spent upoa Windsor Castle and on the improvement of Lou- the Right Hon. Baronet,when he brought forward the income- Leave was then gireti to bring in the Bill. don. --( Hear.) More than a million had been expended of tax, thought it was expedient that it should not be extended to those rents in that way. The Right Hon. Baronet, as lie un- THE BANDIERAS. derstood, intended to extend the means of Catholic education Ireland. What did the Hon. Member for B..th propose? He proposed to do one of two things—he either proposed to tax Sir R. PEEL said a question was put to him a short in Ireland; could not, he would ask them, the ground the real property of Irela d n-, or else he proposed to tax the time ago, which he had answered, stating that if he and quit rents of Ireland be applied to that purpose? His in n holo l of the country. Now if it were merely the landed property were in error he would correct it tomorrow . But he thought toplace an income-tax on the people of Ireland would was now desirous to correct an error he had fallen into, be unjust and impolitic. If they were to extend the income- the lre and which he proposed to tax, he would tell him that national exchequer derived an equivalent for the , before the debate on the Post-office began. He had stated tax to Ireland the Hon. Member for Donegal would at once income-tax in the stamp duty. But there was another that the consuls who a pplied to Lord Seaton with respect join the repealers.—Laughter.) He would at once take the ground on which it was • decided not to extend the Grey . Porter view of it, and he would become a sympathiser to the embarkation of the Bandieras at Corfu were theincome - tax Ireland tothree years ago. There was no with the Concilliation-hall. In 1782 the Irish extorted the Austrian and the Pontifical Consuls, but he was in error independence of their Parliament from this countr and there machinery in Ireland by which the tax could be collected. The in this, as the Neapolitan Consul also made an applies- were men who thought before they died to see that inde expense of its collection would swallow up the larger part of tion, and this was the communication received from Lord pendence restored again.—(Cries of " Hear," and cheers.) the sum to be collected ; and he agreed with the Right Hon. Seaton on the subject. The brothers Bandiera conducted Before he sat down—which he should very soon do—he should Baronet that the substitution of an equivalent was more ad • themselves with propriety during their residence in be able to show that, without imposing the income-tax on Ire. vantageous to the interests of tire nation. In the reigns of Corfu but on the night of the 1 2 th of Ju n e they in corn- land, they might raise a large amount of revenue. Sa v i ng was Ri c ha rd 111. and Henry VIII. a t a x of f our shillings in the , any with other individuals, to the number of twenty-o ne equivalent to gain.—( Hear, hear.) He was surprised his Hon. pound was imposed on the landed proprietors to prevent absen p Friend, the Member for Montrose, the other ni g ht, s h ou ld have teeism. In 1775 the tax was reduced to two shillings in the persons, embarked in a sma ll vessel and sailed, as it is forgotten his usual topics - under the pound. But this all equally failed to bring back the landed supposed, for the coast of • Calabria . ". The Austrian influence of the eloquence • of the Right Hon . ' Baronet, he seemed even to forget himself , proprietors to the country. But the Right Hon. Baronet, in Neapolitan Consuls ' waited on me to be fur- He didnotword and nished with the means of bringing back the or the reductions that might be made in h enue, or economy, merit to those whose duty and inclination' it ought to b vessel. This there was no authority to do, but I placed under a better system ofgovernment. H t is e H army in Ireland to reside upon the property, and to minister to the wants of on. Friend had at their disposal the means of communicating the de- often pointed out how two thousand those whom Providence had committed to their care. men were enouh for partiire of the vessel to the Neapolitan authorities. Scotland, and the evil of keeping up so large a force in Ire- If the Hon. and Learned Member intended to restrict the tax CLERKS OE QUARTER SESSIONS. land. But on that occasion his Hon. Frien, who was to the landlords of Ireland, how little would it produce to the Sir J. GRAHAM hrivily moved for leave to bring in rally as watchful as the dragon that kept guard over the Ggolclueen. revenue 1 For was it not notorious that a great proportion of a Bill to regulate the appointment and payment of Clerks Fleece, was lulled to sleep by the persuasive eloquence of the the rental of Ireland was paid away in mortgages, and in re ducing cumbrances imposed upon the estates by their anc and other Officers of the-Courts of Petty and Quarter Right Hon. Baronet, and yielded to the enchantments of that es - Sessions of the Peace, Oyer and Terminer, and Gaol fascinating financier 1—( Great laughter.) But his Hon. tors? Was it not equally; true that these mortgages and inFriendcumbranceswere was quite right in the positions he had so often laid Delivery. down. The paid the income-tax out of them in this country ? He did be- Mi. FERRAND wished to ask the Right Hon. y could, by conferring good government on Ire- lieve, then, if they were to extend the income-tax to Ireland, for the Home De art- land, effect an essential saving If the would ads• pt their in- Baronet, the Secretary , Of State P stitations to Ireland, instead * • y the returns would not exceed the present proceeds of the stamp of adapting Ireland to their insti d • e • ment, whether it was his intentions to epriv , magistrates lotions—(Hear , He h ) h ar, ear t e phrase was an antithesis, but it- duty. But if the Hon. and Learned Gentleman meant to of the power of appointing their own clerks. If that was full of truth—if they would adapt their institutions to Ire- say that the tax was to be extended ti,roughout Ireland gene • were the case he believed it would cause a great many land, instead of adapting Ireland to their institutions—they rally, he would urge upon him to c,rnsider what had been the magistrates to retire altogether from the commission of would make money of them. Peace was a great happiness. p eculiar What was the state of that country twelve months ago? He the peace. let them not inflict merely a temporary tranquillity on that coon /sir. ESCOTT said he apprehended that was not the try ; let them mak e it a p erpetua l peace .—(Ch eers .) P eace sp ok e from p ersonal ex p erience when he stated that lar g e n s ass ß es were , in the habit of being collected—( Hear, hear, from proper time to discuss the clauses of this 8111. He must, would make it a larger contributor to their revenue. Pelee however, sincerely , thank the Right lion. Baronet for would increase its import duties—peace would make it consume )—for H. 1 eel the purpose of intimidating the Govern ment. It must be remembered, also, that at this time dread- The object which m ore suar and coffee—ace would enable it to take more introducing so important a measur e .ful arid simultaneous fires occurred, which were accompanied British manufactures—peace would he should keep in view in the further progress of the .. throw open a vast field of b}• the most ominous silence amongst all parties, so as to leave no . . enterprise—and ire the prosperity measure would be to take care that no provision was in- doubt who were the originators of them, When he looked at their munificence be usuriously traduced into the Bill to enable any person who derived Sir J. TYRRELL , ft e r u, r r . eP ra a t k u l i • a 7- in (Lo t u h d e c H heering.) these circumstances, arid remembered that the judicious course profit from former extortionate practices, to be remu- display of eloquence they had heard g that gevenin House on thehe and the firmness evinced by her Majesty's Government in that nerated in proportion to his past extortion.—(Hear.) did not in his own person exhibit an g' of ' example men- i . country had restored peace, tranquillity, and happiness, he t iougl,t it unwise to extend a burden to below! which ,ou;d Sir J. GRAHAM begged to state in reply to the Hon. cultural distress—(lmmense laughter)—yet he hoped' it be productive of no practical good. He spoke from personal Member for Knaresborough, that he did not seek by his would be conceded to him that distress was in the habit of experience, and he eaold aisiire the House that it would be Bill to deprive magistrates of the power of appointing their meeting with " strange bedfellows ."—( Renewed laughter.) ex the Ilon, and an unwise step to adopt the amendment of . own clerks, but he objected to allowing them to receive He was aware that many Gentlemen in that House were not Learned Member. Men who a short tune ago were engaged any fees except in Petty Sessions or in open Court. inclined to support any proposition coming from the Hon. Mem:- in organising large bodies of men, for the purpose of con- Mr. WAKLEY moved for a copy of any petition, to- ber opposite, by reason of his entertaining extreme opinions ' spiracy, were now laying out their money in improving their on certain polittealsubjects• but • 1 he (Sir J. Tyrrell) now trusted farms, and devoting themselves with ne second object to the im-. gather with a copy of the signatures attached thereto, to the courage of his' ric l ' which was presented to the Crown by the Council of the —that they would ;f liek u u tura the frdends aruund him—(A laugh) proving the condition • of the country. When that was the ir courgge—(Laughter—and case, was it within the pale of political wisdom to come forward Royal' College of Surgeons of England, praying her that he would see by theannouncement in to-morrow's papers, and create anotheg pounce of discord in the cottutry ? As an Irish Member he most cordially approved of the financial Meg; sures proposed by the Government. He believed the nrol' e l it reductions would improve the manufacturing interests of :' , country, and enlarge the mares , of the I rish egrieuluriivesa, who were in a great treasure di le ',dent oir the English He nufacturers.—( Hear, Lear, from Sir Robert feel.),_ he looked forward to the many gratifying results wh'ett ese . thought. the reduction in the duty of cotton would proslaeeke So far as Ireland was concerned, a greater boon could ri t he i ; given, for it would encourage their manufactures ; and w oo s they considered the water power, and the magnificent rive at _ Ireland, might they not hope, at some future time, the " toe merce of Ilse country would be increased. The western r e . of Ireland was peculiarly adapted for manufacturing purpo t s s e : but now they were compelled .o go io Liverpool fortheir coleee He hoped, hoe ever, to see the time when ships dome front in States of Amer ca would he bound landing their cargriee oittintl coast of Ireland. Let the House remember the agriceuelitire advantages of Ireland. He could assure those Hon. 0 . 1 de , men who talked so much of the abstract principles of free tr l tr , that Ireland would posse s the means of affording this ee ti , es i ample and sufficient food, if they would only assist her ,, l . u s. veloping the resources of the country. If they would 0 1 Y ' ot , prove her situation. he was stile that, at no distant OP ~,,, would be able to minister to the wants of the inereasing Pilytde lation of England. It was his firm convict on that she . 7 040 yet be the means of saving this country from being h umble the dust to ask for food from a foreign nation.—(Ch eeras/ f the Mr. BELLEW concurred in the latter s entiment' e e p er Noble Lord, for he believed the resources of Ireland had P o ' er been sufficiently developed. He thought it was in the V i an d of her Majesty's Government to make her a flouriehing.o prosperous country.—( Hear, hear.) Beewe the incolteo, could be extended to Ireland there were two things to be it; sidered—first, that there was an easy mode of celleet ie beer. and secondly, that the country was in a prosperous &lobed both as regarded agriculture and manufactures. B et sell was more of an agricultural than a nianuffeeturing countrett,4 0 they must recollect that only one million of the tax cok e be e England was eunfributed by the landed interest. Prost! strongly did this show the inexpediency of extending lh„'etiegos Ireland, where te o-th rds of the population wer e enPß ee , eut o t etle culture. Before the union the taxation of Irela nd had w", ha yeer millions. Bat what was the fact between tha t tittle"' o f bi 1-01—ond 1807, the taxation of Ireland had been illet e lo s telli mere than 500,0001. a year, and this he thought li l e. to el ' answer to those Hon. Gentlemen who thought that t ow s. this nature should be imposed on that country. In Peeuelee 1 them this statement, he felt that it was a sufficient grv - i d, oo his opposition to the tax. While such claims we," n i e r ed i e property, and while Ireland became in this way i ni- eleil the debts of Great Britain in an unequal degree, eel oes . , her previous position, was it fair that a properti t t i l sk i : now be imposed on the country ? He (Mr. Be be- t i s se o English gentlemen whether it was right to impol e ,„ - o fre . , Ireland •.: hen so little e imparatively had been taken 11 ",, s 'eti 11 the taxes imposed upon her ? Much had been said re 1 1; e 0 the lighter burdens imposed upon Ireland, as if t bst ) fat source of encouragement for absentees.—( Hear , h 0 tit er he felt assured that all those who were intimate ent",, e b f, tual position of that country, would be aware that tr t hat" - u:., Terence could fairly be drawn, and he did not Wi lli e,' 4 1 Hon. and Learned Member for Bath had e xereis e shies discretion in now pressing this tax on the country, °Joel, so much had already been imposed which she w as P° to bear. leri Mr. NEWDIGATE said that he would not trr e col e er; upon the House, and that he would not have treneePt; them at all, were it not that he did not think that it see .- Gentlemen with whom he acted ought tamely to sp it te pee. calumnies which had been heaped upon them bi,jetoco i Member for Bath. Calumnies which he felt for hilti7tieefeto —and he did not doubt but other Members on hs 6 ; 0 019. e j House felt the same—were as gross as they ive rr i ',(frjo and mistimed, foul, and invidious, and unjustifie-- „,eieb cries of " Hear, hear," " Order," " Chair," durior's • 0 Hon. Member attempted for a short time to proceedt/toietio, Mr. C. BULLER said that the use of !rich eofeS,Pbe Ole, foul calumnies was clearly contrary to the usage n „' e ftle . , and such as could not be tolerated when used 111 °— . If towards another, and he protested against it. es " ti e r Mr. GREENE said that the Hon. Member We es d pet out of order, in the use of the expressions which he " le plied to the speech of the Hon. Member for Bath' N o i° °l Mr. NEWDIGATE begged to apologise to the - er os' 0 the words ehieh had just fallen from him, but the Or tbi t or of the Hon. Member for Bath had been BO 0 , 04. sus felt bound to meet them with terms enuallY o r, :the,f ie elf nected as he was with the county with Wh ien.. lo, P.F tr Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government hi e inter n ,', concerned, he would have been glad to hear hi s ets., jii tion of the question which the Hon. Member fe e ., PP, brought forward, and the position which he took t ao . s uss think that if a property-tax wee to be impose d se 11 0 ,0' 1 it would be one way of reaching the absentees hie cis' country. But this he thought would he a toi se e , rg e ssei l f ° ol li and if the Honourable Member for Bath atte" . `belie 41 1 way to enlist the Members with whorl he acted , b i e eti tgli ss ili would be disappointed, and if he wished, like the I ', e ) cou'e Mancha, to attack windmills, he (Mr. Nerd i g s ;rie' that he could not have taken a more effective et t e l ei curing his object.—( Hear, hear, and laughter .) , , 0 tbil er si Mr. Al UNTZ said, that nothing had been 1 1 " 6 9 ipie je of the subject by which Hon. Members s hould be io d cow" When he saw that gentlemen connected with It e t e h le there and enjoy the great remission of taxes 11100tbi1:etlii joyed by the people of that country, and then/L i/ t oot; V I it, he did think that there was no sufficient argigeotresl; replies to what had been alleged by the 11"'„ 0 014,0", Bath, and when he saw that those gentlemen, :„ e etli' t ier e take such large sums from that country , 10° ' i f . to 4 O r various parts of Europe, he felt assured, that nes, o O . absenteeism an imposition on realised property M ',AK, best tax. •eb elf " / Mr. ROEBUCK said the best argument white,. r , sibly ha adduced of correctness in debate was the s 00 05 temper.—(" Oh. oh," and disapprobation.) i 0 0 % , 0, Sir H. BARRON said that he felt assure d thg, - nr would feel that the Hon. and Learned Member ... K l u ir totally failed in establishing his results. 1 3 efr r eieirte, upon the main question, he would beg to show to e , pee; which the Hon. and' Learned Member for 133 1" 0 the..„ 1 'O a with respect to the attendance of Irish Member s it itl!, e f He would beg to assure the Hon. and Learned i'e t Oei f ej when he imputed the absence of those Member s ;01_ . i,f i 07, than the real cause, that he evinced only gr° le se - s lirtel e jr ignorance of the characters of those whom he be o oo .fr that he used expressions in their absence which pd i li r %I dare to utter if those gentlemen were present ; %jell_ ee i jer that Hon. Member to repeat the expressions se:..(ii used, when those Hon. Gentlemen were present' .„f' Ili of " Hear, hear," " Order, order," " Chair, cb si llott' e s The CHAIRMAN interposed, and said that tbe . ber was out of order. d ifi l4 Sir H. BARRON said, that what the Hon. „ elj i sbe e , 10, Member said with respect to those Irish Membeose ; t o' absent was incorrect. But he would no w t ; 0 0 1 ei rlet facts ; and in giving those facts, he Wou,'„ ll e „ o " t er g upon any opinion of his own, on ~t`"l o e . Ti e tv g of this or that man, either in or out of the P ° i n ' te,,,o, fr , returns laid, by order of a `elect Committee ells-breeefesi purpose, on the table of that House. Before li32pebt:bslt union with this country took place—the Fo ld : t his r i o sto land was 450,000,0001., and, in the year /8 1u i t the e ls v.,. increased to 764,000,0001. The Irish P ebt Isik t " ! wi r e first mentioned was only 28,000,0001., but sn in h ;;e U. Orr 0 had accumulated to 118,000 , 0001 . The le, e r t h at 0 /40 0 10 tam had not been doubled in that time, esh" e fods _.d l i d had absolutely quadrupled within the sense Peelederisosl return for this burden, what benefits had he eP e . e en l ee ee re d Ireland in the way of taxation? Why, he t ."„ had ' a eot,,s 1842, as much as 40,000,0001. of annual titee t til sle e etr Ao mit ted to England; while, in Ireland, the i w , " oorr t s Lot relief had been only 2,000,e00/., or her e n eesoeeeer, part of the remission of taxes which had he t he or o ,oTo country. - At the time the union took plseet et . tri _ j e l l entered into was, that Ireland should hei to ife' s r o teenths of the whole taxation a the re etee_li I l e , what had been the case? Had this , e g imPrOti fr ol adhered to ? No, the amount actually Gees; ego 2,000,000/. of Ireland, for 15,000,000/. Ter „ tole s ear 0 Mr. Foster, a man of the highest attainuter7teorSP"Vo speaker of the Irish House of Commons, and. e t o stie a ed r o e a 'hat country, loudly appealed against the Irela nd ' 0. 10 00 vain. Ile enew semethine of the stat e 01 ,‘ l e esS l e o ./ r, as the de:iberate (Onion of one te hse in do ne Ilu re sett e e pended en, and not of one perieeily ignore ) on s„f 1 1. 511' which he professed to speak.---( Hear, hear. / fait e y eele'ef to Ilansard's Debates he found that the teel o so 4 %001,0 which had been 440,0001. was increased in t o i rity to., i osi and in 1816 to 5,760,000/. Another ali 1 3 0 P. C$ ill would refer was Lord Fitzgerald. ( Sir H. Barrow) would suspect him olloastqltro'coasgstileisi_tilbsoteotleo for that nobleman, and he might, therefore, 00 O tt o , citing him as an authority he was citingthe elsoiefl, all might depend for evidence 00 ,, , t bst :0 r e e l d hand. Ile would refer to a letter „",. ste e ' li ed roe which had been written to Mr. L':' o r Ir e e st,O That Noble Lord then stated that the peo r Pe e e tet i sof:4 te' t 0 45 000,000/. of taxes mere than she cont r 0 10_ 4 0;0 1 time of the union ; and yet it was said %% e 01 7 " efr ies i enough ; that the income-tax ought to be a ,P ire ssndt s ole/ 1 0, it was the only panacea for all the ills 1 . 6 oho, t o o is confident tat every gentleman in the filitioo l o ot op e the questions ould vote against the pre p ought i in s t lter, Member for Bath.—( Hear, hear.) isle , se , ooe: o ttl ,at the condition of Ireland that which justifite:E,,,/01010010, that the income-tax, as it respected Irel lh r en a 1 1 6 600 1 0 , politic and unjust tax. If they had e " nt eet eloss , b ee s 00 4 04 taxation on Ireland they would, in h is i t : e land r' s ; eerfor t more than their duty.—(Hear, hear. e etaeo t fr" evil' °' Parnr and i o rtle, the deco provement, for by withdrawing the had withdrawn a great number of rich „ was __ t ee,lfts nexions and friends.—( Hear, hear. ) 4.; i 0,07 . 0,0 el England to make many sacrifices in ordfret,rooeiroeotrytiii dition of Ireland.—( Hear, hear.) At the l ot a .i , 10 10 0 land was over-taxed ; there west h w ee 'joie, file Europe with her resources whtf Ireland .0 Is lb: taxed as Ireland. The landlords had , ekes s li c i. ie t t i ati t es ti greatly injured by the alterations thatran drostesfetre, ..1 tithes, added lo which there was a fit , ! en d he ..e u eet i.st e si present moment at the state of Irelat?ll i .. ' tw difer.', o il ':,, i t the time was not far distant when sail arty hsteg pa 17' 0 0 be laid aside, and Ireland would agaiart Come he ea sier s e . f _A te r ofir Ireland could be governed by the he ireiene had 00 ti n hear. ) ' at the (105. le could by the sword.--( Hear , 0 tree t joe ,es greatly taxed.—( Hear, hear.) It w er s e a b o ut i' slies iols — , a bef l relent had now found that out, and w e , G o es . ere o _ i h es t also 'e l ' et It " hel i rte grant for education. They -- b in t oo, - t e inquire into the state of land in thatitewatter. catatoberio( been much better if they had in n , h i n g W idell , Colonel CONOLLY thought if . ' injure Ireland it was the proposition AUE R la Poe Bath. e E xCHE— s hoo - 4 0 1 , 0 The CHANCELLOR ef the be did , that s h t e ing his '0 441 It ' . of the Hee. . id it el, impossible, holding the situatioean without 0-1, be inch it s t .. . this question to come to a decis re he s bou te sti vol e e 7, with respect to it. Whatever_enT_bsiab se ho_ re eet g b ; otf give the lion. and Learned Ci ." e he eouldo!'ich jos' the i.e g reb .4 0 , matter forward on many occasions, to 9 te st 're credit for much skill, or ere disc manner,at,trttaeuti itself' i n f s . eLli r o ool lf l,lo , brought a subject forward mostthate.woulil tisfaction in Ireland, and th eezepereoso.i.ntidsrhYbi4itnieer,,f eoloolarageor perhaps endangering the peacebaoctit Hon. Gentlemoati male ee t .. set . re. o te. with respect to the absence f . man,, die s titelntehoughs iosaid,b; that House during the dise us ," l : o ) tha t, but Coloo ns i t o f t 0 give no opinion with respec t ' s . , =s o use of t ' u i n seres te ie g e o , could be said that the Brit e, n n i egicetthey ot t i e r, consequence of that He was satisfied that t i l i e h l;„d an?, ;leo be aie country. Aan thos e "'"° of i t. " -ee to ss to the people of Ireland, a t , _ _ resee ee o to Jo jott e 011 $ . selves from the house, that _l ic t ,F r . 'lou se !'.....,'„, th !I, use selves was not. necessary to Hear , Hai' .) .7 lingOW_ Ca w w b e the ie r voie , , t . : people of Ireland.—( House, ne p an l e i In 1:0 elate subject before th should ,rot - Hear' / ce soll i o s expedient that they i Ireland.-- (11L'elit by the, et , 0 ... 0 , on real property .n ,be gu ide( roja bs s it, 04 11 10 posing all taxes, they must , or they „ t ie be, to I v and eireuinstanees of each appearedcountry' equa l, f , e_s_i n he err s to t ll. a tax that, though it a. e n 184 2, ", n o g s j e riu'ir s e i bst. o i, e very unequal and very erklus t jad diree ted, l e ,0 u i s 0 0 , 0 0 i. income-tax for England, he e.,etaii. I h s o tor oobee si subject of an income-tax lo 1 .,,,,!ht icope...e_ef,acti.eg 03101, quirt' was that. though tiwy . returns to the - 0 bsge, ~ a prove a heavy beldam. yes the , „ wri t. i tiew ee rt: bole' ~.a:..it P - f saes ete ' be letie, if ail) theie, fle-'re_ heavy 100 ". lo totil e rs ly ds', had. Imes been subjset le r ;i had been aC , C A O Pl by e hear," and laughter.) le,' ~ by eiree ee tbet. o,t d, 1 large amount of revenue, parsq l c ount'? e the Irdn b direct 1. hed taxation, i nand throughout ib is the beet La d 400 000 for collecting ..eater 0 '"" ,- • taxes, and other! , that had neverabeen im.mrsentot of 1 , ~. Therefore we could hero collect ir IRISH POLICE FORCE. Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from Mr. Henry O'Connell, complaining that he had been unjustly dis charged from his situation in the Irish police force, and praying for compensation for the same. CHURCH-RATES. Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from Mr. William Bidwell, of the parish of St. Botolph, Cambridge, com plaining that he had been involved in expensive litiga tion for not paying church-rates, and praj ing fur relief under the circumstances. The Hon. Member gave notice that he should move that the petition which he had just presented be printed with the votes. RAILWAY SPECULATIONS IN IRELAND. Mr. P. BUTLER presented a petition signed by several persons in London who were anxious to invest capital in Ireland, in favour of the Kilkenny and Waterford Rail way by Carrick-on-Suir ; and a second petition from Kilkenny, in favour of the same line, signed by thg Sheriff, Under-Sheriff and principal inhabitants of that - - city. CHESHIRE AND BIRKENHEAD RAILWAY. Mr. TOLLEMACRE brought up the report on the Cheshire and Birkenhead Railway, and reported that the standing orders had been complied with. W I isiDO NV -TAX. Lord DUNCAN presented a petition, signed by Dr. Southwood Smith, Dr. Liston, Dr. Hurvey, and others of the principal medical practitioners in London, to the number of 91, praying the House to take into con sideration the physical and moral evils induced by defective ventilation in dwelling-houses. The pe titioners stated that houses were thus badly constructed by the landlords, in order to avoid payment of the window-tax, and they prayed the House therefore to remit the tax altogether. - LONDON AND YORK RAILWAY. ~. _.. An HON. MEMBER brought in this Bill, which was read the first time. THE INCOME-TAX. Lord EBRINGTON presented a petition from the inhabitants of Plymouth against the income-tax. TRENT VALLEY RAILWAY. Mr. MARK ri-lILLIPs presented a petition from the Trent Valley Railway C.mpany, for leave to bring in a Bill for making a Trent Valley line of rail. Mr. EWART, in consequence of the business intended to be brought on to-night, postponed, till this day fort night, his motion standing on the paper for leave to bring in two Bills : one to enable towns councils to establish museum& of art in corporate towns ; the other for en abling the defendant's counsel in civil, and the prisoner's counsel in criminal, cases to address the jury on the close of the evidence for the prisoner or defendant. NAVY ESTIMATES. Sir C. NAPIER gave notice that he would move, on the question being put for the House going into Com mittee on the navy estimates, that an humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying that a Commission might be appointed to inquire into the state of the navy and the defences of the dockyards. ART-UNIONS. Mr. WYSE gave notice of his intention, on a future (lay, to revive his motion for the arpointment of a Select Committee on Art-unions. THE CORN-LAWS. Mr. COBDEN gave notice of his intention, on a future day, to move for a Committee to iLquire into the operations of the corn-laws on tenant•farmers. RAILWAYS. _ _ Mr. WALLACE gave notice that on the 6th March he would call the attention of the House to the existing traffic on railways, and the regulations respecting third class trains ; and that he would move an address to her Majesty for the appointment of a Royal Commission, to inquire into the state of railway travelling in Great Bri tain and Ireland, and the best means of improving the system. WINDOW-TAX. Lord DUNCAN gave notice that, in consequence of the discussion with which the House was occupied re specting the financial measures of the Right lion. Baro net the First Lord of the Treasury, he would postpone the motion of which he had given notice respecting the window duties to Wednesday, the 27th inst. LORD ELLENBOROUGH'S RECAL. Mr. HUME gave notice that, on this day fortnight he would move for copies of the correspondence which has taken place between her Majesty's Govern ment and the Directors of the East India Company, re lating to the recal of Lord Ellenborough; and he would move also for the minute of the Directors recalling the Noble Lore. STEAM COMMUNICATION IN INDIA. Sir JOHN HOBIIOUSE, seeing the Right Gentleman the Secretary of the Board of Control in his place, would take the liberty of asking him whether the communication between Madras and Calcutta twice a month was continued, and whether it was intended to extend the same facilities of communication to Bombay ? Mr. E. TENNENT said that her Majesty's Govern ment did not deem the post of sufficient importance to justify any present alteration. HARBOUR OF PORT PATRICK. Mr. WALLACE; gave notice that he would to morrow inquire whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to grant any sum of money for improving the harbour of Port Patrick. MEDICAL REFORM BILL. Mr. S. WORTLEY presented a petition from tle medical practitioners of the town of Sheffield against the proposed Medical Reform Bill. BURDENS ON AGRICULTURE. Mr. G. BA NKES begged to ask the Hon. Member op posite (Mr. Ward), in respect to his motion for inquiry into :he burdens that press on agriculture, whether he would have any objection to postpone his motion for the present ? The reason he asked the queition was, that when' he details of the financial question came on, it was likely that several amendments would be proposed which would give rise to discussions upon the subject that would answer all the purposes of the Hon. Member's motion, and the same object would be thus attain( d. Mr. WARD said that his only object, in the motion of which he had given notice, was to afford her Ma jesty's Ministers an opportunity of proving their case fully and fairly; he could not, therefore, comply with the Hon. Member's request. Mr. BANKES thought that, perhaps; be had not been sufficiently explicit. He should have stated that the surplus to be derived from the saving in the auction duties, could be applied in mitigating the burdens that P r E L C O H E Y M L E L N , press o n agr i cu l ture.—( C r i es o f " Oh 19 an d l aug h ter. ) EMPLOYMENT eg l g N ed W to Oß sa K y H , O in USES. Captain reference to his moti on on the subject of the employment of the poor in union workho the Boston Uni on had reufusr , that the guardians of of that House. Ile, therefore e d: e o comply w ith th e or d er the Hon. Baronet, the Home Secretary,'ged to ask wh a t course in reference to those guardians ; an intendeda to take also wh a t direc tions, if any, had been given to prevent the crushing of bones in workhouses? Sir JAMES GRAHAM said the Hon. Gentleman had given him notice of the petition be intended to pat. In THE SMOKE NUISANCE. Mr. MACKINNON rose to bring forward a subject of great importance to the country, particularly in the manufacturing districts. Ile was happy to say that, of the many Hun. Gentlemen opposite connected with the manufacturing interest, not one had opposed the measures he was about to introduce. He now moved for leave to bring in a Bill for the prevention of the nuisance of smoke arising from the furnaces of factories. On the question being put, Mr. BRIGHT said the inhabitants of the manufac turing districts ought undoubtedly to feel obliged to the Non. Member for Lymington for the extraordinary care hich he to.,k to secure for them pure atmosphere; but, at the same time, he believed that this Bill would be utterly useless for the purpose for which it was in tended. 'the Hon. Member's Bill of last session made it an offence liable to penalty if opaque smoke were seen issuing from a factory chimney more than so many minutes in a certain number of hours. Now, in the pre mises with which he was connected there were three distinct mills and three distinct sets of boilers or fur naces, and the smoke from the whole of these escaped by one chimney. It would be impossible for the police to tell whose fault it was that opaque smoke was seen issuing forth in the case to which be referred. The House had often proved it self quite unable to manage such affairs ; and he be lieved that all attempts to remedy the evil by means of legislation would be fruitless. Ile assured the lion. Member that there was not a single clause of his Bill of last session which he could not have set at nought with the most perfect impunity. The Hon. Gentleman was, he believed, in the habit of visiting a near relative of his, who resided in a manu facturing district, and he might have thought that the smoke from these chimneys was a nuisance. But his near relative with his horses and his hounds, and all the absurdities which arose from that system — (Laughter) well, that was apart from the subject altogether, and he would not pursue ' it.—(Elear, hear.) He had no desire to interfere with the Hen. Gentleman, but he thought it would save a great deal of time to the House if leave were not given to bring in the Bill. lie would advise the lion. Gen tleman to consult practical men before he took the sub ject in hand. Mr. FERRAND said that two days ago he was speak ing to a very large manufacturer in Yorkshire, and who was also a member of the Anti-Corn-law League, and he told him (Mr. Ferranti) that he burned his own smoke. That it was easy to be accomplished, and asked him to use his exertions iu Parliament to compel every manufacturer to do the same. Sir. J. GUEST thoirght it was impossible to get rid of smoke altogether. Mr. RICARDO said he would give every opposition to the-Bill. Mr. MILNES said that he attended a meeting at Leeds, which was attended by every respectable inha bitant, and there was net a single objection made to