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nd is a s 26 -, he Trilitelh, er stet itinues r Ichab°e. Attics. 0, 00 , 0 ind Bri t° o Doti' tcutta , : , a save' ivigNl, )Ns. jock, a nd the rnittee lON SILL i: e teast that ir raid be done was t o as k hi m . H e did not !ae to hey e his property seized per fas et mfas. He was !save that if some of his ancestors were to rise from their gaves—though he had no wish in the world to see them— P%‘Laughter)--they would be very much surprised at such wer, and would s t rongly object to these proceedings. t hose ir D. NORREYS thought that notice should be given to i 3 persons thr oug h w h ose property the road was to made, that they were about to take the land.—(Hear.) ;'_ e considered that the giving of 250 yards, in addition to 100, I,hich would be about a fifth of a mile on each side of the . 1 , was a monstrous power. . r ord O. SOMERSET said that the Hon. Member had re d to clauses which had not yet come under discussion. ‘,. would suggest that it would be better to urge objections 'me the clauses were bfore e ommittee. . Mr,. HA.YTER said, e that th C if they intended to limit the Power which the railway companies now had, they ought to show s o v a me strong reason for so doing. The clause referred to ar t s n et idly introduced, but was introduced in the model B i ll 11„...er m ature deliberation. It was impossible for engineers to le ex actly the sp ace w hi c h they might require. sit •nr• WOD EHOUSE said that he wa s p rec i se ly i n thi s le a i ation. A railway company had agreed to give a noble slatire of his 2 0,0001., as a compensation for any loss that 1, 4 Or the tenants might sustain. That was a large sum ap :arentii but his noble relative did not receive one sixpence zi f , i t , .foi it was applied to a settled estate. It might be a fair 'Just could • c ompensation, or it might be the worst bargain that to d possibly be made. If those railway schemes went tst ate e ,3, who was to maintain the poor on the la m ' It was this latter consideration alone that induced d _ ,o ask the Noble Lord (Lord G. Somerset)—who con egeted the business before them in a manner which every :,Itlellinust admire—(Hear, hear,)—to postpone this clau . se. h e w ° fl e lY with regard to that part of the country e e r vith which connected, he Connected, bu with regard to every other p t id . th ought that the course to be adopted should be clearly cill)licitly declared. cle ii : °* e 20 was then postponed, and all the subsequent es rip to 32. ilostd, vu clause 32, relating to the crossing of roads, being pro setidtr- AGLIONBY said he hoped the Noble Lord would con. 1 / 4 eltrrt?aluesert th%word " highways" in this clause instead of tor ‘ 4, roads. to th: SOMERSET intimated that he could not agree ure amendment proposed. %th e % ,1 0NBY expressed his surprise at such opposition r a i tt... part ofthe Noble Lord, when a majority of the Corn.. po k i . ' n,!(I the other day d ec id e d i n f avour o f a s i m il ar p ro - Wii ; it hough th e clause was not the same, the principle id)lit w as that of ext en di n g a j us t p ro t ec ti on t o th e leieeT t he cases to which the clause referred. H e we edy the Noble Lord had said that the effect taittli g 7 in all cases to prevent railways from .1 -4 'et - ... 14 CIS on a level ; but that was a mistake : such t - eti t: - eserved to the Committee sitting on a special e -lac le o a; Whether in particular cases, roads should be Z e d Piti i e vel, or whether the public safety could be se ,-Qui, y f r ,,,, out such a provision.—(Hear, hear.) There were ;•Se ee,'),Tatlas both hich children were accustomed to go to s lrel -"r,-.B,u°re, or places for amusement ; and where a s4 st' - ,,, -.1 was made for their accommodation, he was told t r etee in C Hs a l'Y cases not even a policeman was placed there to , r ßes; 7, e , Public. He load consulted the agent of one of the -11 sth. r- v ,_"waYs, and also one of the ablest engineers in the Ds hli ' ' "'ill of whom told him they had for years felt that the /111 Sth e : th re not sufficiently protected. He had asked them ~.,4 11u lter f e necessity of having bridges or conduits would at N ly ~e t e with the progress of the railway business leae 'Ss b „lail,, that it would not interfere with it in the st. kid ric were often driven to use a ladder in ascending ilia, Wend; L• th e „ -- -ng when they crossed a railway. He maintained f ,"lid „,ught not to be put to such an inconvenience. I ',14 11 - e , succeed in inserting the word " highways" gene tt es.Rehould propose to insert in clause 44 these words :- I :SiC ra Paity shall make convenient ascents and descents, war e i elii or bridges over, or culverts under, the railway, el e seirn s avY foi theconvenience of the public." Another to 'st_ wcetei,had been su e ggested to him was :—" And in those )Ne an ,'. bridges either under or over can be conveniently l lisiti: e re reasonably required, the company shall, on the 1 1. - . e4; 11 of two justices of the peace, construct such hridges - '"el. li;_ s il, cb ascending and descending approaches.: "high- " 4 ,710 ''''iner concluded by proposing to substitute igh -44 itutteadcarriage roads." selC PAT co o t i e c r i t. 1 ,, 44ER agreed with the Hon. Gentleman on this . m i ne case of bridle roads was one well deserving th i k eate er 47. lie should suggest a reference to justices in titne T °away & jaAtIGERTON supported the amendment. h, ate & V ES thought it advisable to make the public Acts . lAII - ' l4 Possible„ and to leave to the Committees on pre h4r, I,' 4 ' k si . s . little latitude as possible.—(Hear.) tli h ille te ' I3 Y thought that the preservation of the foot `+diiNds °f the greatest importance. If there was not some kt o i le r ? compel the companies to make proper ways in ;!et th e th e Paths which they intercepted or destroyed, 10 ill C. , not carry their road across a path, and then make i i i, 44 tiAlr'e cuttings on both sides, and leave it to those who 3 ep ee %teeth to find their way as they could across the C.lthen the train was coming ?—( Hear.) Ilther fl.', 4 ',EY approved of the proposition of the H . on. br t iinet u i r tn k'OC k ertnouth. It would be a most valuable im- Ifb.Ssev " bring every footway before the Committee, as VeatttrYak,carriage-way, as those who used H the footways WIN , tr ule to take care of themselves.—( ear.) toteille e ; i 4 ,TTEN thought the amendment would do no Vr i _Vatif,.."l, suggestion of his Hon. Friend the Member t tiot t Z e. - : Vqr. R. Palmer) were adopted. It would be th e - e 'a it to persons on the spot to say whether the Pl t 2i d e , l3 ,„ridie ways should be crossed . or not. ate -- "d 3 Y add that in proposing that the inquiry N a ll ° Ri, f h °l3 4. ,tways should i' take place in the Committee, he 1 / 4 11 0t k „''' occasion expense to the companies , but he taublz - ve the expense of the companies at the expense It . ) ses_ 'lek--(llear.) 'Ich,'we . i'SIEBSET thought that the amendment would Virit t a Principle which the Committee would find_ sense very 4 4,1 11 •14. 111 „,, t rY out.—(Hear, hear.) However, as the ° Jo ... lilts...lnert' se dso strongly in its favour, he would i ° Y .4ll ad . ,l l !'. But he would propose either as a new clause, i day th e it , i eet to this, a provision such as was suggested / N ib , ‘tti Up ember enTher for , Berkshire. That clause could . not lt, ti, 111 hr I n a minute and he would take time until the k e st`th_ .the re . port ' to prepare it.. At present lie would Skllioribe insertion of the words in the Hon. Member's ihliAt i t'e) amendment. h `th o e righ ts o said, there could be no question whatever h 'stee'etZ sf foot-passengers were equally as important le t ,ere, er r, t sons who could afford to keep carriages Ho 4411-sr,teo-Zsgrue which the Hon. Member for Cockermouth had pursued. L its te t 444 . 1 8° N . he V l hd to express his opinion in favour of zouloP.. - ent. r wis :passengers had just as much right to . k ao I s ,,T I Y other class of passengers. He . had seen on ‘,11 , : 14 11 4 -- :‘ i Birmingham Railway great inconvenience N ~ lit - w • ant of sufficient accommodation for foot-p . as- Sa t iilarrthey k '"a °II theow had to go down steps on the one side, Itth g s t : l to the Other, and this he thought was extremely would refer these matters, t he het i ksh. Public safety. I lrl t eferin n ce, to two justic i e , e son to the spot, and then let quarter sessions. At 0 N:th ate `:• e as other cases . v ‘s e e e re v ' ery facility to railways. t i l,Op e l l,_,° ll , ewiosPetdhothse give wished to offer any 'Stay, t i lAmunerits to these great projects, but still he N "et - su ggestion of the Hon. Member for Cocker kt *L With his - L 41._ leiv„,... entire . approbation. ki t tli ti , gteht:4 l 4seaitiv ir f aft tt il eo , wishedh pau e nb7iui to insert a clause affect table tribunal to say whe -1 c required any sacrifices to be .' Z(I On of the railway. lit t k 4 t °ll3 t *o 4 4 l l ,YtSET . said lie would consider what other • 1,,, 'l hee l 'be required, and then frame a special clau o se . illgs.:;s e ,„! B Well as the views of the Hon. Member opp tl lle',4 ir, Jai clause he should submit to the Board of se ti i ,ol ett :ll th e were approved of by them he would propo 1 .1% ~,I S/ip r o rninittee, or on the bringing-up of the report. tb ttf te 4 eli i r , 4II ORP objected to the paragraph tk t , elosePosed a penalty of 40s. upon offieers t kin ne- e 4 41, 4 04p z 1 e the thole gates which were entrusted who o them„ sd e ght it was not sufficiently heavy. This was ' in the ht til lk t %o 4 l3 re te e d a b il Y ed th ,, e It l y e se, co s n om ve e ni f e e n w e y s ea , s g e " r bu a t o w , hat he 1 ;t 1 11 1 ,4 1 ,1•) e x ‘ Public nuisances." pa He meant omnibuses.— Itkol sg elea "'e impudent fellows than those who drove t oi ittp,,,lttld hardly be met with, and when the ver penalty FL lt h ;°,, ,,,,,- er,en i , was only 405., the evil w tu a t s e r for abated. e t cetcoti t h rison . ment was subs i fi ac -1r.14 th l iN h t he negligence of those fellows became .. less 11 N . e - e should like to see the same principle ap ikllttth,tp‘A4lalev °f rail v IN, Ser vi ll _,Y a sai w d a- Lother paragraph e in this clause o;,' , ttiikle i t ,'' tion of his views.. Th part to which he hs ti h t seid,vol, i pulsory for railway companies . to build it t , l , e s wish. r r e toing about gates, or men to mind th f em t . i ti "" to est br h this principle—that the oo )p.1)4 14,41 041,1 , als . q t th ;h p " ''e protected in the same way as the car- It eth' e lia. -- liarnely by putting up gates; and where x tliii. 11140,, tie cessary% placing officers . to mind them. L 444: I, 4 fit a h r •gtliug in favour of any point by which he 1 ,1 % *bid himself; his sole object was that the k‘oo b e h av e a right to have gates at all 1 7 i lto t sa ep"e weree footpaths, and men at those gates ‘41 . 4 4 4,jcovr, he would ask the Noble Lord, were 0 hta k Tetie;'' of cases where human life was endangered 4&14' of -of these precautions?—(hear, hear.) He N Ss e , to /10ttetupts that had been made by certain " NCI 9 up these footpaths altogether, they tlik). !such• 0 1 ,0 th Of th nuisances ; and he quite agreed .tit' Sept .. e ni were ; but though they were such, yet . :11.`totlietti",er,e necessary for the use of the public, and N I L Itl - 1 7 no „s Los attended to. Now he would ask, was NI th,_ lth % . 'to or other protection at both ends of a foot 11°4. Ss . ' it ed 41 L ih t pass through a populous town, .e tett elocY railway ? On such footw . ays, men and l 'Net 14 0' th a d t re ,,n Were continually passing, and it . was ktet S C ° tr a T h 'uo publication of the starting and arriving 01 11 1 - 'Ok i Va - " It 8 was sufficient warning.. Therefore, he ' t sth ft, general clause requiring the erection of Ot li tet ti ; ) , el ; l e e; and officers where necessary, and then k 'st d..Ab li 017, Justices thed tail. He begged to move I ;i7io, 4,1'4 nwurds " highw e a - s" for "carriage-ways." ~,A „ sgee ; effe, t ,,‘'oted very much 3 if even that would have VAT' iticor he could not see what use a gate would kb; ' SOell to Thi • 1 tt l o4 tt itc , lid it. eVis D th ould h ' 3 ET conceived that if the Hon. Member's eiti•-lts.° rails e agreed to, it would have the effect of i` lto - 1, 0 bewaYe altogether ; at least, if a line of any '4,b, lki r er o Leade, it would be rendered almost useless if K l etk;. t o 417 1, 3' four or five hundred gates, and men 4 -o t AGOld .e Pt rIP at the expense of the company. He Nt q joqt[lot a stile be sufficient ? h Keetim S Clkk,flow was a horse to cross a style? 01 Net.' cro..-'oET—Where there were bridle roads '14:: Ikq --- 1 but foot paths were not necessary in " t " 4„ .11 1 , h ) ... 4 1,,,q. 5 f .,,, The Bill contained us provision for yr.lll2patt R s „. q;N I Not ,r-' l. could assure the Hon. Member that tO, -114 14 ; that e • re inserted, it would be found to be so )t l it 1. 1, r o _ it , r . would be rendered nugatory by lli t ‘ilh.. ° ' liee,'",nceet,.,,'lceptions that would be intro 4, h , d r , 'Der t '", that, giving the power proposed by 1 'el 'ka t I le th ° local j ust i ces, )t,,.. 4 , 1. e Plibl* more real harm . than good Ile mile oula ic- On the whole he did hope that if b e 2 1 :le 0,,,, nOt a • •t• and if it it,„' t, ,NI il l ven it 1 , gvee to this proposi ion, . . 414, aqs ~ "adei„z,e would resist it, for he conceived it o t to - et.)Nz "`" course to adopt. k i4 'is B4 Ue ' 13 Y th , 0 gcht, th at it ought it would be better for the If htil es W as ill-advised, than that it had been 'OO co ? :ere to be made, lie would ask why 4 b,0,,,,1:1riP,,.nierl 4 surely, if local justices were t e%Nte e t ,es NI , en n l Petent to decide as o ik 11 11.?: for itily to ere and were not necessary, 404tpa t ;1; 4 4 ? inPetent to form a judgment as to the 'tt 1 44' °lli;', l a tea s :Wear.) Clause 49 had been alluded to Istl i , 114' ' ls t th e and on referring to it he found it $ 4. '0 4 0 , 4 4 ' 1. tkiute tpbrotection of the owners of land,_ . and - N . Nt s '(ll ' 'ear) ,l' e :s! would take care of them lt t er, ---, mit were the public to have no pro- N,,111 e with ar) I t l et ottid the i„ .On the whole, he was so strongly tlev, 4 14 diviaertlce and fairness of his proposition, t e, l,'lte ZAhth w i lzeif t Inlo‘use upon it, for he conceived he 4t iti 44 * hich '1 4 4 'said doing i• so. Nke e ta t he his x ttiaLit was not the 49th endlit.. • 44th i Ale Friend referred, but to the cia I 'lit -eegait Was not u ses. The clauses were perfectly )04 ;t ate at the other at all necessary, because one clause Nt ect, il, 0 ,ituLher should be passed also, and he did 41- 7 w l o ° l4 ll ° ,i 3' ttra t b il j e t if the words were inserted Member for Cockermouth ". h av: the effect of preventing the Committee from making any alteration whatever. The parties who were to be protected were not the railway parties, but the public. It was not reasonable, in securing the interests of the public, that they should require that 300.0 r 400 gates, and 300 or 400 gatekeepers should be appointed, when, perhaps, their services would not be required tftener than once or twice in the twenty-four hours. Doing so would be highly expensive to the company, while there would be no adequate, benefit to the public, and he, therefore, 11 , , ped that the House would negative the proposi tion of the Hon. Member for Cockermouth. Mr. HAYTER said that he quite agreed that if these words were inserted, the Committee would be deprived of the power of making any alteration. He believed that railways were of great advantage to the public, and he should, therefore, protest against the insinuations which had been thrown out against those Members who came down there to render assistance in maturing these projects. Gentlemen connected with the landed interest conceived that all these projects were detrimental to them, and they entertained a jealousy of all those who supported these projects, and that their object was some private end, and not the public good.—(" No," from the Ministerial side.) He did not feel that he was actuated by any private end, and he should, therefore, persevere in his course. His object was to do justice, and that should be done to both parties.—(" No doubt of it," from the Ministerial side of the House.) What was the case? If these gates were erected, two gatekeepers would t•e required for every single footpath, and thus the company would incur an expense of 100/. a year for every one of them, and if there were 300 or 400 the expense would be 6001. a year for all these footpaths. [The Hon. Gentleman was corrected by a Member opposite, who stated the expense would not be 6001., but 60,0001. a-year.l At any rate, it would be enormous. In the case of bridle-paths, he ad mitted that some regulation waa necessary, and a clause might be introduced for erecting a proper tribunal for direct ing the placing of gates ; but in the case of footpaths on level ground, he thought they were unnecessary. ILEIT SITTING.] PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS. (From the Yoe and Proceedings of the House of Commons.) WEDNESDAY, MARCH 5. PROPERTY-TAX BILL. Order for Committee read; Motion made, and Question proposed, " That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair :"—Amendment pro posed, to leave out from the word " That" to the end of the Question, in order to add the words " this Mouse w.ll, upon this day six months, resolve itself into the said Committee," instead thereof:— Question put, " That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Question." The House divided : MAJORITY-AYES, 96. A'Court, Captain Darby, George Mackenzie, T. Adderley, C. B. Dickinson, F. H. Mackenzie, W. F. Aglionby, H. A. buncombe, A. Manners, Lord J. Antrobus, Edmund Escott, Bickharn Masterman, John Arkwright, George Ewart,:William Newport, Viscount Bailey, J., jun. Farnham, E. B. Nicholl, John Baillie, Colonel Fitzroy, Henry Peel, Sir Robert Barclay, David Flower, Sir J. Philips, Mark Baring, F. T. Forbes, William Pringle, Alexander Baring, W. B. Forster, Matthew Rolleston, Colonel Barneby, John Fuller, A. E. Russell, Lord J. Barrington, Viscount Gisborne, Thomas Ryder, G. D. Baskerville, T. B. Gordon, Captain Bandon, Viscount Benbow, John Gore, 3lontagne' Smith, T. B. C. lientinck, Lord G. Goulburn, henry Smythe, George Boldero, H. G. Graham, Sir J. Somerset, Lord G. Borthwiek, Peter Greene, Thomas Somerton, Viscount Broadley, Henry Gregory, W. H. Spooner, Richard Broadwood, 11. Grimsditch, T. Stewart, John Brotherton, J. Hallbrd, Sir H. Stuart, Lord J. Bruce, Lord E. Harcourt, G. G. Stuart, Henry Bruce, C. L. C. Henley, J. W. Thesiger, Sir F. Buller, Sir J. Y. Hepburn, Sir T. B. Vivian, J. Ennis Busfeild, William Herbert, Sidney Wakley, Thomas Cardwell, Edward Hindley, Charles Wall, C. B. Carew, W. 11. P. Hope, Charles Wellesley, Lord C. Chetwode, Sir J. Hope, G. W. Wodehouse, Edmond Clerk, Sir G. Inglis, Sir R. H. Wood, Colonel • Clive, R. H. Johnstone, Hope Wood, Colonel T. Colebrooke, Sir T. Legit, G. C. Wortley, John S. Colquhoun, J. C. Lincoln, Earl TELLERS. Cony, Ilenry Lowther, Sir J. 11. Young, John Cripps, William Lygon, General Baring, Henry MINORITY-NOES, 23. Anson, Colonel Marshall, William Strickland, Sir G. Bouverie, E. P. Morris, David Strutt, Edward Buller, Charles Muntz, G. F. Tancred, IL,W. Christie, W. D. Murray, Alcianeer Wawn, J. T. Curteis, H. B. O'Connell, M. J. Winnington, Sir T. Duncan, George Phunridge, Captain Ebringon, Viscount Puisford, Robert Hawes, Benjamin Rice, E. R. Humphery, Alderman Sheil, R. L. TELLERS. Osborne, Ralph Blewitt, R. J. (IN THE COMMITTEE.) First Clause (the Rates and Duties by the recited Act granted to be continued and charged for the term of years), page '2, line 1 :—Proposed to fill the blank with " three :"—After wards proposed to fill the blank with " two :"—Question put, " That the blank be filltd with ' two.' " The Committee divided : MINORITY—AYES, 17. Anson, Colonel Fitzroy, Lord C. Wakley, Thomas Blewitt, R. J. Hawes, Benjamin Wawn, John T. Bouverie, E. P. humphery, Alderman Yorke, Henry IT Busfeild, William Morris, David Butler, Colonel Osborne, Ralph Christie, W. D. Strickland, Sir G. Duncan, George Tancred, TBLLEIIII. Curtets, H. B. Manta, G. F. MAJORITY-NOES, 69. A'Court, Captain Farnham, E. B.' Newport, Viscount Adderley, C. B. Fitzroy, Henry Nicholl, John Aglionby, H. A. Flower, Sir J. Peel, Sir R. Antrobus, Edmund Forbes, William Philips, Mark Arkwright, George Forster, Matthew Pringle, Alexander Baillie, Colonel Fuller, A. E. Rice, E. R. Baring, W. B. Gordon, Captain Rolleston, Colonel Barneby, John Goulburn, Henry Ryder, G. D. Barrington, Viscount Graham, Sir J. Sandon, Viscount Benbow, John Grtmsditch, T. Smith, T. B. C. Bentinck, Lord G. Hallord, Sir 11. Smythe, George Boldero, H. G. Harcourt, G. G. Somerset, Lord G. Borthwick, Peter Herbert, Sidney Spooner, Richard Brotherton, J. Hindley, Charles Stewart, John Cardwell, Edward Hope, Charles Stuart, Lord J. Chetwode, Sir J. Hope, G. W. Stuart, Henry Clerk, Sir George Johnstone, Hope Thesiger, ;Sir F. Clive, Robert H. Leg'', G. C. Vivian, J. Ennis Corry, Henry Lincoln, Earl of Wellesley, Lord C. Cripps, William Lowther, Sir J. Wodehouse, Edmond Darby, George Mackenzie, W. F. Wortley, John S. Dickinson, F. H. M`Neill, Duncan TELLERS. Escott, Bickham Manners, Lord J. Young, John Ewart, William Masterman, John Baring, Henry LIVERPOOL GREAT NATIONAL STEEPLE CHASE. Handicap Sweepstakes of 20 sovs. each, 10ft, and 5 only if declared. (48 Subs.) Mr. W. S. Crawford rid Cure-all, aged, list 51b ...(Loft) 1 Mr. Thornton's Peter Simple, aged, 12st bib Captain Boyd's The Exquisite, aged, llst_ .. 3 Mi. Blackburne nd Toni Tug, aged, lost 21b The following also ran :—Mr. T. 011iver's Vanguard, aged, 12st 10Ib—Mr. 'Holman's Tke Page, aged, I Ist 101b—Capt. France's Brenda, aged, Ilst 71b—Mr. J. Kelly's Clansman, aged, 11st 61b—Mr. Barnett's Boxkeeper, llst 41b—Mr. Atkinson's Ceremony, llst—Mr. Milbank's Peter Swift, aged, lOst 121 b —Lord Alford's The Stranger, aged, lOst lOW—Mr. Mare's Nimrod, aged, 103 t 81b—Mr. Thompson's The Romp, aged, lOst 41b—and Mr. Westley's Brilliant, aged, lOst 41b Betting-5 to 1 agst Tom Tug, sto 1 agst Vanguard, Bto 1 agst Brilliant, 8 to 1 agst Brenda, 10 to 1 agst The Romp, 10 to 1 agst Peter Swift, and 10 to 1 agst Peter Simple. A good race with the first four. Clansman fell at the brook and broke his back. 501. given by the Earl of Sefton, added to a Sweepstakes of 10 sous. each, h ft ; 3 yrs, 6st 71b ; 4 yrs, Bst 31b ; 5 yrs, Bst 10lb ; 6 yrs, and aged, 9st. One Mile. Lord Chesterfield's Jenny Wren, 3 yrs, Est 41b...(Abdale) 1 Mr. Mostvn's Master Stepney, 3yrs, st 71b 2 Sir J. Uerard'a Erebus, 4 yrs—Mr. J. Scott's The Duke of Rutland, 3 yrs—and Mr. T. Cretchley's Cceurde-Lion, 3 yrs, also started. 3 to 1 agst Jenny Wren. Won by three lengths. BETTLNG AT LIVERPOOL—CHESTER CUP.-10 to 1 agat Cataract (t)-12 to 1 agst Semiseria (t)-15 to 1 agst The Era-20 to 1 agst Obscurity-20 to 1 agst Winesour-20 to 1 agat Strathspey-30 to 1 agat Pride of Kildare (t)-30 to 1 agst Yheoman ac Knuck-40 to 1 agst April Noddy (t). DERBY.-10 to 1 agst Alarm (t)-15 to 1 agst Kedger (t) —l5 to 1 agst Idas (t)-15 to 1 agst Cobweb colt (t). Very little done. By some accident the train which brought our parcel was left behind, and did not arrive in London until nearly three hours after the usual hour. BIRMINGHAM AND GLOUCESTER. RAILWAY. BIRMINGHAM, TUESDAY EVENING.—A meeting of the Proprietors of the above Company, took place this afternoon, at the Company's office, in Lawley- street, to confirm (or otherwise) an agreement entered into on the Bth of February, 1845, between the Directors of the Birmingham and Gloucester Railway and the Directors of the Bristol and Glou cester Rail way, on the one part, and the Directors of the Midland Railway, on the other part, for granting a lease in perpetuity to the Midland Railway Company, with an option of purchase of the railway from Birmingham to Bristol ; and to authorise an application to Parliament to carry the said agreement into effect. SAMUEL BOWLEY, Esq., of Gloucester (the Chair man), said the chief object of the meeting was to con sider the leasing of the line to the Midland Company. Before, however, they proceeded to that part of the busi ness, he would move the following resolution relative to the dividend : " That a dividend of 40s. per 1001. shares, 10s. per quarter share, dated prior to Ist of July, 1844; Bs. 4d. per quarter share, dated Ist of August, 1844; 6s. Bd. per quarter share, dated Ist September, 1844; and ss. per quarter share, dated Ist of October, 1844 (free of income tax), amounting to 22,803/. 13s. 4d., be now declared, and that it be made payable on the 6th inst." The resolution having been carried, The SECRETARY then read the agreement between the two Companies :—" The Midland Railway Com pany to pay to the United Birmingham and Bristol Company an annual rent, equivalent to 6 per cent. on their united share capital of 1,800,000/. The Midland Railway Company to undertake all the liabili ties up to the present time, &e. If an Act is not ob tained this session, the application shall be re newed next sessio-, or until an Act shall be ob tained, and, in the mean time, the Midland Com pany shall work the lines from Birmingham and Bristol, on the same terms, so as, in any event, to carry out the objects of this agreement. The Midland Company to have the power of purchasing the two railways at any time after the expiration of three years from the commencement of the lease, by giving six months' notice, ending with any half-year, upon payment of 1501. for every 1001. stock in the two Companies." The CHAIRMAN, having stated the grounds upon which the agreement was deemed necessary by the Birmingham and Gloucester Company, proposed a resolution that the agreement be entered into. The motion was unanimously agreed to, after which the Secretary read the report of the Company, which was also received, and the meeting broke up. RINGING THE CHANGES.—Master Jones rang on Friday night several peels on seventeen different bells in Fitzroy square. This he cleverly effected, without any 'apparent fatigue, by running from No. 1 to No. 17, and pulling the area•bells violently, one after another. Tho tones were very distinct, and a beautiful echo of each was heard in the drawing-rooms of the respective houses. Master Jones, who is only nine years of age, wound up his masterly performance with a grand triple bob-major on the visitors and servants' bells of No. 18.—Punch. Tuesday morning a shopman, in the employ of Mr. Byefleld, operative chemist, of Exham-street, Paddington, was seriously injured by the accidental explosion of a fulminating mix ture, which blew out the windows of the back warehouse, and knocked the shopman down senseless. It is feared the young man will lose the sight of both eyes. The Rev. Mr. Tyler, Rector of St. Giles's, has been appointed to the Canonry In St. Paul's, vacant by the death of the Rev. Sidney Smith. THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY EVENING, MARCH 6, 1845. LONDON AND WESTMINSTER BANK. been declared—a dividend which was not obtained by that attractive, or, perhaps, he should rather say, clap trap system, which was adopted by some other banks, of allowing a per centage upon current accounts, and which was, on that account, the more gratifying.—(Cries of "Hear, hear.") He did not know whether or not the Directors were sufficiently remunerated ; but he rather thought that an increase ought to be made in the scale of allowance. At all events there was another class of persons to whom they were greatly indebted for their prosperity, who he believed, were not adequately paid for their services. This subject was one which he though well deserved the consideration of the Directors. The duties of such persons were laborious and responsible; and as the bank was in a thriving condition, he was of opinion that the scale of remuneration ought to be revised. Ranking, as they did, as the first joint-stock bank in the country, it was mainly to the exertions of their clerks that they owed that position.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. NrAucatAN, in seconding the resolution, expressed his concurrence in what had been said in reference to the remu neration of the clerks of the Company. lie also expressed a regret that the reports were not of a more detailed nature. It would be desirable, he thought, that they should have an account of the expenses of the Princes-street and Pall-mall establishments. The establishment in St. James's-square, with a resident Director, must entail a large expense on the Company. He very much doubted the propriety of the step which had been taken, thinking, as he did, that it would be better to concentrate the business of the bank in the central office. Mr. LEVY said he considered that the Proprietors had no right whatever to interfere with the salaries of the clerks; that was a matter which should be left altogether to the Directors, who knew better than they did what was the best course to be pursued.—(Hear, hear.) He had known three cases in w hi c h persons, w h ose salaries had beenincreased, had afterwards run away with the money .of the bank. —(Laughter.) There was one point in connexion with the amount of business to which he wished to call the attention of the Chairman. They all knew that Sir Peter Laurie was a patriot—a very great patriot.—(Laughter.) Now when Sir Peter proposed Sir W. Heygate as Chamberlain, he made it a condition that he should place his accounts, which bad formerly been kept at Smith and Payne's, in the Union Bauk.—(Loud Laughter.) When Sir William Heygate died, and Mr. Brown was solicited to fill the vacancy, be also having extensive accounts, had the same request made to him by Sir Peter.—(Laughter.) He recommended this example to the Chairman and the Directors.—(Laughter.) Mr. TITE concurred in what bad been said as to the desira bleness of giving more detailed accounts. He had often heard the subject mentioned amongst men of business. He thought the accounts should be similar to those of the Bank of England. The CHAIRMAN said the question mentioned by the last speaker was undoubtedly one of great importance. It should be taken into consideration by the Directors, and the sug gestion should either be complied with, or some satis factory reason should be assigned at the next meeting for withholding more minute information.—(Hear, hear.) With regard to remuneration, he thought they had better resign this subject to the board of Directors. They might feel assured that the same liberal spirit which had prompted the remarks made on that point would actuate the Directors themselves. With they respect mightto theirneve never branch make a worse ,) n f l y moneyhop e d thantha in that they had done in the case at least of that St. James's square. The whole establishment, so eligible in itself; had not b co y st th t e he le m tti m ng or e e f t t h h a e n at l a 2, bl ooo, ing l :a a n n d d that amount a p m ar o ta un oft wasthe e reduced building which were not required for the purposes of the bank. The resolution tor the adoption of the report was then carried unanimously. Mr. MURRAY proposed the following resolution :—" That the cordial thanks of the meeting be presented to the Directors for their able and successful government of the bank during the past year; and this meeting congratulates the Directors that the privileges for which they had so long contended have at last been so successfully obtained." Mr. Cox seconded the resolution, which was put and car ried The eleventh annual meeting of the Proprietors of the Lon don and Westminster Bank was held at, the Central Esta blishment in Lothbury, yesterday. The chair was taken at one o'clock, by P. M. Stewart, Esq., M.P. The CHAIRMAN said, before submitting to them the report of the eleventh annual meeting, he hoped he should be allowed to occupy a few moments by adverting to the cir cumstances which had characterised the period that had elapsed since the last annual meeting. These circumstances had rendered that period one of great importance to the banking interest in general, and one of special importance to the joint-stock banks of London and the country at large. His principal remarks at the last annual meeting were made in contemplation of the obstacles and hindrances which the laws of the land, in relation to banking affairs, then cast in the way of establishments of that nature ; and they resolved to do their utmost, in the then opening session ofParliament, to get those obstacles and hindrances removed, and to secure the privileges to which they considered them selves entitled. In looking back to that period, he had to congratulate them that every one of the obstacles to the easy dispatch of their legitimate business were removed, and that they were now ac knowledged as a national banking establishment, not only legally established, but also legally invested with every pri vilege which could properly belong to such establishments.— (Cheers.) The meeting would recollect that the Act of 1833, from which that bank sprung, was defective, inasmuch as it did not give to large partnerships, such as theirs, a facility of suing and being sued. They of course thought that in an Act which called them into existence as the proprietors of a large banking establishment this defect must be inadver tent ; and in the year 1834 they applied to Parlia ment for an Act to invest them with the required privilege. They carried the Bill on its own strength and merits triumphantly through the House of Commons, in spits of the opposition of the Government of the day, who felt themselves pledged to what had been overlooked in the re newal of the Bank Charter in the year preceding. But they were stopped in the House of Lords; and the only alternative which they had was one which, though clumsy in its nature, was still effective in its operation. In order to give the public the advantage of suing them, and to obtain for themselves the reciprocal advantage of suing the public, it was necessary that a special contract should be entered into for this pur pose between the customers of the Bank and the trustees, who had the management of its affairs. Now, he was glad to say that the Act of last session had done away with that obstacle, and they were now invested by law with the manifest right, as well as the necessary privilege, of suing and being sued, being placed in the same situation as joint-stock banks throughout the country which were not established within sixty-five miles round London. Another privilege which they had erroneously thought would never be denied to them was that of accepting bills. They imagined that they had that power, as a matter of course, the moment their existence was acknowledged by the Legislature, and they acted accordingly. They thought that the refusal of such a power would be a mockery, that it would be like saying to an individual, " You may correspond with another person, but it will be at your peril that you answer his letters."— (Hear, hear.) A suit, however, was commenced against them by the Bank of England in the year 1835; and after they had run the round of the law courts, it was, in 1837, d ec l are d by the collective legal wisdom of the country that the views taken by the Bank of England were based on a proper interpretation of an old statute ; for that, although legally established as a bank, they were acting illegally in accepting bills of exchange. The wise discovery made on that occasion by the judges was that Queen Anne was not dead—(A laugh) —that an old statute of her reign was in force at that moment ; or, in other words, that a statute of 1707, manifestly enacted to prevent bankers of that day from issuing notes, was to be interpreted in 1837 as preventing bankers legally established from ac cepting bills of exchange. Not damped, however, in their ardour by that result, they soon adopted a remedy. Their customers adopted the habit of issuing their bills without an acceptance being inscribed upon them ; and that practice continued until the Act of last session was passed, which freed them also from this hindrance; and they were now invested with the full and just privilege of accepting bills of exchange in the same way as any other law fully established bank.—(Hear, hear.) He might say, in passing, that, besides contending for these privileges, the Directors and Managers, assisted by the members of the General Banking Committee, struggled for the general objects sought to be obtained for joint-stock banks throughout the country ; and the result was that they were successful in securing a modification of the measure as it was first propounded to Parliament in the last Captain MANDERSON moved " That Matthew Boulton Rennie, Charles Gibbes, and William Haigh, Esqs., be re elected as Directors." Mr. SITARLAND seconded the resolution, which was put and carried unanimously. Mr. BADDELEY moved " That the cordial thanks of this meeting be presented to James William Gilbert, Esq., the general manager, and the other managers and officers of the Bank, for their effective services. _ Mr. MORGAN having seconded the resolution, it was agreed to unanimously. Mr. MortsoN proposed " That the cordial thanks of the meeting be offered to P. M. Stewart, Esq., M.P., for his able and courteous conduct in the chair." ession.—(Hear, bear.) In some minor instances, indeed, hey were unsuccessful. He himself had humbly endeavoured o obtain an alteration in one or two points which he thought important to the banking interests of the country; but finding that he was opposed by the author of this measure, he thought it would be useless to persist. He must, on that occasion, acknowledge that in all the conferences which the representatives of the joint-stock banks had had with Sir Robert Peel, they were met by him with the greatest court es y ; an d the moment having arrived for revising the law they had found comparatively little difficulty in obtaining that acknow ledgment of their rights and extension of their privileges which were now enjoyed in common by all establishments of that description.—(Hear, hear.) The situation of their branch had, he thought, greatly improved since the last an nual meeting. They had obtained all the legal facilities for which they were formerly about to struggle; th e y were now invested with the power of accepting bills of exchange; they had further the valuable privilege of suing and of being sued ; and for this latter purpose they had registered their trustees in the name of any of whom a legal process might be commenced. Having secured these privileges, the Direc tors did not think that the interest of the Proprietors re quired that they should seek to acquire power under theict of last session for the regulation of joint-stock banks. Their simple reason for coming to that conclusion was, that by ob taining a charter they would acquire very little, if any, addi tional power; whilst it would have subjected them to the in convenience of entirely remodelling the constitution of the bank. Another inconvenience would have arisen from the adoption of that course. The charter was limited in its dura tion to twenty years, and they did not like looking forward at the youthful age of eleven years, feeling perfectly satisfied with the powers and privileges which had been conferred upon them, and believing that they would work well for the Com pany. Such was their foresight, be it prudent or be it far fetched, that they did not like to invest themselves with a charter which would expire in twenty years, and then throw them back again into the hands of the Legislature of the day.—(Hear, hear.) Nor was this a mere fanciful objection. They were eleven years old that day ; the old lady over the way was about Iso.—(Laughter.) If they continued grow ing as they had done in the early part of their ex istence, there was no saying what might happen— as they now surpassed her in modesty, they might by and bye surpass her in other attractive qualities— (Laughter)—and the young lady in Lothbury might attain by her sturdy solidity—for that was her character— (Hear, hear)—no less celebrity than had been en. joyed by the old one in Threadneedle-street.—(Laughter.) The only advantages which a charter conferred were that of enabling a bank to hold real property without the interven tion of trustees, and that of enabling the company to sue and be sued in its own name, without the interference of any of its officers. On these grounds the Directors did not feel called upon to encumber the esta blishment with a charter. So much with regard to their present position. As respected their future prospects, he was happy to say, that they were as fair and promising as any which could be presented. They had struggled through a period when money was of so little value that it was difficult to find any profitable em ployment for it. He trusted that the stimulus which had been recently given to industry and commerce, would en hance its value, and enable them to give a better account of their stewardship. There was one very favourable circum stance—it was, that the proprietary of this bank were gradually centering more and more in London. In the coun try, wherever Shareholders lived, they might forward the in terest of the bank ; but Shareholders in London could render it much greater assistance.—( Hear, hear.) He would illustrate the fact which he had just stated. During the last year, the sale of shares in the London market was about 7,000, 4,000 of which came from the country, and 3,000 from London ; but in the buying of those shares only 2,203 had gone back to the country, and 4,800 had been retained in London ; so that the proprietary in London had been increased to the extent of 1,800 shares. One word before the report was submitted to the meeting. The sum and substance of that report was a statement on the part of the Directors that they continued to be enabled to declare a dividend at the rate of 6 per cent. per annum. On account of the cheapness of money the Directors had experienced some difficulty in bringing about this result ; but not only.had this result been obtained, but they had further been enabled to add 3,0001. to the reserved fund; it now amounted to 70,0001. He would remark that there had been paid in dividends to the Proprietary, during the exist ence of the Bank, upwards of 350,000/. Although they had begun at a low figure, he did think that they acted wisely in pursuing that course, following the maxim of old Dr. Johnson, that it was pleasanter to see smoke brighten into flame than flame dwindle into smoke.—(Laughter.) If they continued to proceed as they were then doing, he hoped that some present would be recipients, even if he should not have to declare it, of a higher dividend.—(Hear, hear.) If the present report did not satisfy them, taking into account, as they should, the difficulties with which the Directors had had to contend, why, he could only say, in the language of his countrymen, that they were " uric°, ill to please."—(Hear, and laughter.) Good as that report was, it was a vouclierfor the faithful discharge of duty on the part of their servants. Still, though they might be satisfied for the moment, let them not be so perspectively— (Hear, hear)—let them aim at a higher result still; and in order to do that, while the Directors endeavoured to discharge their duty in their own sphere, let the proprietary, now in creased in number at the doors of the establishment, assist in their efforts, as far as lay in their power.—(Cheers.) The resolution having been seconded, and carried by ac• clamation, _ _ The CHAIRMAN briefly returned thanks, and the meeting separated. RAILWAY COMMITTEES. Sub. Committee No. 4 assembled in No. 8 Committee room. Present, Mr. Aglionby, Chairman, Mr. Thornely, Mr. Buller, Mr, T. Egerton, and Mr. Barneby. CORNWALL RAILWAY. The CHAntAtAN — inqUired if Mr. Harvey appeared upon his petition ; but no one answered, and the Bill was about to be proceeded with as an unopposed Bill, when Jr. SMYTHE applied to appear on a petition presented by Mr. Thomas against the Bill on Friday last. The CHAIRMAN said that no one could appear on a petition which had not been presented three days before the sitting of the Committee to which it had been referred. Mr. Smythe could not therefore appear; but the Committee would call evidence if they thought proper. Mr. BURKE then proceeded with the case in support of the Bill. Captain Moorsom was examined as to the accuracy of the plan. Several minor inaccuracies wore discovered, and the Committee reported accordingly. At the conclusion of Captain Moorsom's evidence strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the Committee, after delibe rating for nearly an hour-and-a-half, decided that they were satisfied with the evidence on the plans, and they did not require any other witness to be examined. They laid it down as a rule, however, that they would hear any wit ness who might be in the room, and who was ready to be examined on any point, upon which the Committee might entertain a doubt. The Committee then adjourned. STEAM-BOILER EXPLOSION AT BLACKWALL. (ADDITIONAL PARTICULARS.) The names of the sufferers are as follow : Killed—Thomas Wright, Richard Grimes, James Chapman—all la bourers. _ _ Scalded and wounded—Jonathan Smith, fitter; Joseph Beddow's, smith ; George Neale, boiler-maker • Thomas Whltcombe , engine driver ; William Ingledew, laboure r ; Alexander Mahoney, labourer ; Joseph Vincent, labourer ; and Mr. Lowe, the manager of the works, who experienced a very narrow escape when the explosion took place on board the steam-ship Gipsy Queen, in November last, when ten lives were lost. As many erroneous statements have been already given relating to the terrible calamity of yesterday, and the causes which led to it, we are induced to lay before our readers the following correct version of the facts : -- ---- At the mouth of the River Lea (there called Bow-creek), and close to the Thames, is a range of factories, which steam navigation and other improvements have called into being. The most prominent are the Thames Plato Glass Company's Works and the steam-engine factory of the Samuda Brothers, one of whom was killed by the explosion on board the Gipsy Queen last November. The business has since been carried en by the surviving brother, Mr. Joseph Samuda, a gentleman of the Jewish persuasion, whose name and that of his brother, as connected with many improvements in the arts and sciences, and particularly with the atmospheric railway sys tem, is well known. The factory, dwelling-house, and workshops oc cupy an area of about an acre and a half on the banks of the Lea. The machinery of the factory was put in motion by a steam-engine, or rather two of eight horses power each, and the steam was supplied by a large tubular boiler, which first begun to work about three months ago. This boiler was originally intended for a new steamer, and was tendered with the boat in which it was placed. The boat was built by Messrs. Pairburn, the engineers, and the boiler was manufactured by the same persons from a design of Messrs. Milner (formerly Braithwaite and 3111ner), of Bath-place, City-road. The engines of the boat were made by Messrs. Milner. After the re jection of the boat by the Waterman's Company, the boiler was pur chased for the low price of 30 guineas by Messrs. Samuda, for the purpose of supplying steam to the engine in their factory at Black wall. Yesterday morning, soon after the men employed in the factory had returned from their breakfasts, and the works were in full operation, the boiler gave way with a loud explosion, dealing death and destruc tion around. Every man in the engine -house was either killed or wounded, and the steam-chest and outer casing of the boiler were shattered and distributed in all directions. The explosion was distinctly heard along the whole line of the Blackwell Railway, from Fen church-street to the East India Docks, and in Greenwich, Woolwich, Bow, Bromley, Stepney, and Limehouse. The mischief done on the premises, and in the immedi a t e l ocal i ty, was terrific. The engine house was in an instant reduced to a heap of ruins, and the principal part of the materials hurled to a considerable distance. The premises of the Thames Plate-glass Company's works, the Crown Tavern, and numerous tenements adjoining, are damaged, and the windows and frames blown out. Portions of the boiler were found in the Plaistow marshes, on the opposite side of the river, about 150 yards from the factory. In the same place the body of one of the unfortunate suf ferers, which had been blown across the creek, w as picked up in a mutilated condition. It is believed that he was on the top of the boiler and in the act of easing the safety-valve when the occurrence happened. The other victims were found close to the spot where the boiler stood, and they appeared to have been killed instantaneously. The outer casing of the boiler, and the steam-chest, are completely destroyed, and the top row of tubes bent, and thrown over on the side. The other rows of tubes, with two or three exceptions, have escaped injury. The destruction of the engine-house was complete. It was a building about 100 feet square, and not more than nine feet high. The engine itself did hot sustain much damage. There appears to be only one opinion as to the cause of the acci dent, and as it has been given . by more than one practical man, there can be no harm in publishing it. It is necessary to premise that the steam-chest was found divided in three pieces. One piece, and the largest of the whole, weighing about half a ton, was carri e d a distance of 200 yards towards the premises of M essrs . T urner an d Co., of the tar and turpentine works, carrying away in its pro gress a portion of the par apet wall of a ho use , and passed over the road, where it fell ag ainst the side of a wareho use d oor with such tremendous force as is shatter the door - post, and demolish a p or ti on of the brick-work. The next largest piece, about six cwt., was car ried in an opposite direction towards the Thame s Pl ate-glass Com pany's works, and the piece where the connexion of the steam-pipe was made was found in a field in the rear of some premises on the opposite side of the road. A quantity of the fallen materials fell into the Creek, and pieces of iron, nuts, bolts, and screws, connected with the boiler were found in the yards at the back of the Crown Tavern, and in the grounds in the rear of the adjoining Lowe, the manager e c ti o t ra ng ;r h o e rth e e f y M ar r d . , also suffered, and premises. At a moderate computation there were not less than five thousand panes of glass broken by the concussion. The window-frames were shattered in several dwellings, and the fti of rn tn i e tur w e or tsra s c i e tu d a . to T a h t e o t every window was broken. The residence of Mr. John Howard, foreman grinder of the Thames Plate-glass Works, sit uate near the ' Western corner of Mr. Sainuda, s premises, sustai ne d considerable down. The windows were all broken , and the parapet was blown Mr. Joseph Samuda, the surviving partner of the fi rm, was at Croydon, on business, when the explosion took place, and a mes dstaern senger was sent after him immediately afterwards. Ho appeare d possoakm. He stated that he believed the much affected on hearing of the awful occurrence which has followed so close on the one which deprived him of a brother, and caused him a severe pecuniary loss. Mr. Samuda stated that he had nothing to gas was generated do with the manufacture of the boiler, and that he purchased it merely to drive the works of the factory, because he had not time to make a new one, and that it had not been used more than five or six times when it came into his afwdsetrogeon steam, various t e a : yneds lowan statements made rumours explosioni nt h the h t b o 1 l we e rr r e , u theal circulation, consequence.thateh , and Queen, last November, when Lowe narrowly There he waterbi instead t the h a e d pressure of steam on the boiler. None of them, however, can be depended upon. The boiler was certainly capable of bearing a great pressure, but there men employed on the premises respecting the is great blame to be attached to some one, and the deplorable acci dent on board the Gipsy escaped with his life, does not seem to : have operated as a warning to him. He has, however, the reputation of being a very careful and skilful man. The Secretary then read the following report : " In making their eleventh Annual Report, the Directors have to state that the profits of the past year, after defraying the current expenses, paying the income-tax, and making provision for all bad and doubtful debts, amount to 51,0811. 18s. 11d. Out of these profits the Directors paid last September, a dividend at the rate of six per cent. per annum for the half-year ending the 30th of June, and they now de clare a dividend, at the same rate, for the half-year ending the 31st of December. After the payment of these dividends, amounting together to 48,0001., there will remain a surplus of 3,081/. 18s. Ild., to be added to the reserved fund, which will then amount to 69,9041. 15s. 4d. " Last year the bank obtained the power of accepting bills drawn at a less term than six months' after date, and of suing and being sued by its registered pablie officers — privileges for which the Directors had been contending from the commencement of the Bank, and the acquisition of which removes a great obstruction to the conducting of its business. `• The three Directors whe go out by rotation, are Matthew Boulton Rennie, Esq., Charles Gibbes, Esq., and William Haigh, Esq., all of whom being eligible, offer themselves for re-election. c an . ) , H ar tl e y, 16s 6d ; Chester Main, 16s ; Holy well Main. 17s; Morrison 's Hartley, 15s; Nelson's West Hartley, 16s ; New Tanfield, 15s 3d ; Ord's Redheugh, 15s ; Pott's Primrose, 15s; Ravensworth WestldoH7nsa6rtdle;y:le6llso;e,Tla9ys-; lor's 'West Hartley, 15s 9d ; W.E., Hilda, 1 7 s td ; , 17s ; Lambton, 1939 d ; Russell's Hetton,. , Shotton, 19s 9d ; Stewart's, H dy o l u l ' g s h ll a e n t , to l n 7 , s 2o 9 s d 3 ; d East;fieHt tOl gnlh ll 9, s e T2 t .oh t s o o n ;m , iH l e 7 y3 s .,l 6 t 20s ; Caradoc, 19s 6d ; Leasinthorne, 19s ; South Kelloe, 19 8; Trimd on , 19 s 6d ; Adelaide, 19s; Barrett, 18 s 3 d; Bitchburn, 18s 6d; Mac lean Tees, 17s ; South Coxhoe, 17s 6d ; South Durham, 18s 3d ; Tees, 19s 6d; West Hartley Netherton, 16s.—Ships arriyed, 20. House further than to put the questions, which he be lieved the Noble Lord was prepared to answer. Lord LINCOLN was in hopes that he would be able to m?.ke the mind of the lion. Gentleman easy upon the subject of his first question, for he did not think there was any ground for apprehension that the cost would ex ceed the estimates except by a small amount, and that arose only from additions to the original plan, and through the fault of the architect.—(Bear, hear.) He should be prepared to morrow to lad before the House the total estimate of the cost, in which it would appear that the exce,s above the original estimate was caused only by two items, one of 8004 for alterations in the Victoria Tower, and, as we understood, one of 2191. for enlarged accommodation for her Majesty ; so that the whole amount of the estimate would be but 928,913/. lie would also lay on the table to-morrow the half yearly report of the architect, which was made up to the 28th of January.—(Hear.) As to the third and last question, whether the new House of Commons would be prepared for their reception by tho session of 1847, he (Lord Lincoln) had to answer, that he had seen the architect that morning, who assured him that be saw no reason to withdraw the declaration which he made last year, namely, that the new Houses would be ready in I 1847.—(Hear.) PROPERTY -TAX. On the motion for reading the order of the day for going into Committee on the property tax, Capt. BERNAL OSBORNE said, as he had not had an opportunity of expressing his strong objections to this odious and oppressive tax, he took this opportunity of moving that the House go into committee on that day three months.—( A laugh.) He assured the Right lion. Baronet that he did not do to with the view of offering any factious opposition to the measure. The SPEAKER informed the Hon. Member that the motion before the Ilouse was for reading the order of the day, and nut that he should leave the chair. TURNPIKE TRUSTS. Lord EBRINGTON asked whether it was the inten tion of her Majesty's Government to bring in a general Bill, this session, on the subject of turnpike-roads ? Sir J. GRAHAM said it was not his intention to bring in any measure on this subject at present. FRAME-WORK KNITTERS. Mr. FERRAND said, as he had received several let ters, stating the extreme anxiety of the frame-work knitters to know when the report of Mr. Muggeridge would be laid on the table, he wished to ask the Right. Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State to use his utmost influence with the Commissioners to have the report produced as soon as possible. Sir J. GRAHAM was understood to say that the re port should be furnished without delay. INTERMENT IN TOWNS. Lord MAHON wished to ask a question with respect to a subject that had been brought under the no tice of the House by the Honourable Member for Lymington (Mr. Mackinnon), viz., interment in cities and towns. The House would recollect that, in 1842, a Committee was appointed on this subject ; in its report it stated that the duty of framing a Bill on this subject could be most efficiently discharged by her Majesty's Government, and this duty was earnestly recommended to them by the Committee. Such having been the recom mendation of the Committee, as a member of it, he might add, its unanimous recommendation ; and as two years had elapsed since the report was made, he begged leave to inquire whether her Majesty's Government had al ready framed, or were now engaged in framing, a mea sure that would remedy the evils of which the Govern ment had acknowledged the existence ? Sir J. GRAHAM could assure his Noble Friend that he had repeatedly, and with the utmost anxiety, directed his attention to the subject; but be was bound to say that the more consideration he bestowed on the question the more he was convinced of the difficulty of legislating effectually upon it. He had not been able to frame any measure to which he could give his approbation as likely to be attended with advantage, or that would meet the wishes of the great body of the people. He was not prepared to lay any measure on the subject before the House. PROFIT AND LOSS. Dr. Payment of the Dividend on the 10th of Septembar, 1844, at the rate of 6/. per cent per annum, for the half year ending the 30th of June Payment of the Dividend now declared, at the rate of 61. per cent. per annum, for the half year ending the 31st of December, 1844 24,000 0 0 Balance of unappropriated profits 69,904 15 4 £. 8. d. 24,000 0 0 Cr. £117,904 15 4 Balance of unappropriated profits on the 31.tt December, 1843 Net profits of the year 1844, after defraying r total expense of management, paying the income-tax, and making provision for all bad and doubtful debts.—,, 51,081 18 11 £117,904 15 4 Balance of unappropriated profits brought down - £69,90415 4 Mr. WIIISHAW proposed " That the report now read be adopted, and printed and circulated among the P ro p r ietors." He congratulated the meeting on the dividend which bad IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, March 5. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. Mr. WRIGHTSON presented a petition from Don caster against certain clauses in the Yorkshire and South Midland Railway Bill. The Ulster Railway Bill was brought up, read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. Sir F. TRENCH brought in the Scarborough Water Works Bill, which was read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. The HON. MEMBER also brought in the Sheffield Water Works Bill, which was read a first, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. Petitions were presented against the Hull and Selby Branch Railway Bill. The report was brought up on the Trent Valley Rail- way Bill: The Committee reported that the stand. ing orders had been complied with, and leave was given to bring in the Bill by Lord F. Egerton and others. Mr. FERRAND presented petitions in favour of the London, Chatham, and North Kent Railway Bill. Sir J. LOWTHER brought in the York and North Midland Railway Bill, which was read a first, and or dered to be read a second time to-morrow. The York and North Midland (Bridlington Branch) Railway was read a second time, and ordered to be com mitted tomorrow. Britten's Divorce Bill was read a second time, and or dered to be committed. PROPERTY-TAX BILL. Sir J. TROLLOPS presented a petition from Long Sutton, in Lincolnshire, against that part of the Pro perty-tax Bill that affected trades and professions: ANATOMY ACT. Mr. FERRAND presented a petition from Dewsbury against the operation of the Anatomy Act, and praying for a searching inquiry. The Hon. Member also pre sented a similar petition from Orpington. Lord CLIVE presented petitions against the union of the sees of Bangor and St. Asaph. THE PLYMOUTH GAS BILL Viscount EBRINGTON gave notice that he should move that it be an instruction to the Committee of Selection to refer the Plymouth and Stonehouse Gas Bill, and the Devonport Gas and Coke Company Bill to the same Committee. WEST CORNWALL RAILWAY. Mr. E. TURNER brought up the West Cornwall Railway Bill, which was read a first time. HARWICH RAILWAY. The fioN. MEMBER also brought up the Harwich Railway (promoted by the Eastern Counties) Bill, which was also read a first time. LONDON AND CROYDON. The HoN. MEMBER then presented a petition praying for the extension of the London and Croydon Railway. RYE AND TENTEUDEN. Mr. BLEWITT presented a petition praying for leave to bring in a Bill to construct a line of railway between Rye, Tenterden, and Hastings.—Referred to the Select Committee. SOLICITORS' ANNUAL CERTIFICATES. Mr. B. DENISON presented a petition from the soli citors of Northallerton, praying that the annual certifi cate duty should be abolished. Mr. GEORGE BANKES presented a petition from a medical gentleman named Henry Charles Leeson, who complained that the Poor- law Commissioners had come to a determination which he thought unfavourable to him. He also prayed for an alteration in the law respecting the powers of the Poor-law Commissioners over medical practitioners. DUTIES ON COPPER ORES. Mr. J. PARKER gave notice that, in the Committee of Ways and Means, he intended to move an amendment ,o the effect that the duties on copper ores imported for :he purposes of reduction, be remitted. RAILWAYS TO DORSETSIIIRE. Mr. G. BANKES gave notice that, in the Committee on Private Business, he should move that copies of all the memorials which had been presented to the Board of Trade respecting the construction of railways to Dor setshire be laid on the table. CONDITION OF THE AGRICULTURAL POPULATION. Mr. WODEHOUSE said that he wished to ask the question of the Hon. Member for Stockport of which he had given notice. The question he wished to put was, whether he would have any objection to postpone the motion of which he had given notice for the lath of March, until after Easter? If the Hon. Member would comply with his request, a great inconvenience would be obviated ; for at the time when this motion would other wise come on many Members would be engaged at the quarter sessions. Mr. COBDEN said that it was not easy to secure the attention of Members to a private motion after Easter. He had in the first instance given a fortnight's notice of his motion ; he had then, at request, postponed it for another fortnight, and afterwards for another week after that. This was five weeks, and he could not, under these circumstances, consent to postpone his motion. Mr. WODEHOUSE said that he quite agreed with the view taken by the Hon. Member for Stockport, and under the circumstances he would not press his request. SLAVE TRADE. Mr. HUTT begged to give notice that, on Tuesday the 11th of March, he should move for several returns respecting the slave trade, and among them the number of vessels employed for the suppression of the slave trade from the Ist of January, 1820, to the Ist January, 1844 ; the number of naval officers who had died in each year ; and the amount of compensation given, distinguishing the sums given to foreigners. LEAVE OF ABSENCE. Mr. REDHEAD YORKE moved for leave of absence to Mr. Christopher for one week, from Friday the 7th March.—Leave was granted. PRISONS IN VAN DIEMAN'S LAND. Mr. EWART wished to ask the Hon. Member, the Under Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether the Act of Parliament for empowering jus tices of the peace in that island to visit the prisons and inspect their state, was become inoperative ? He believed that considerable complaint had been made in consequence of the refusal of the Comptroller-General to permit the prisons to be visited by t he justices. He (Mr. Ewart) wished to know whe ther any intimation of this circumstance had been given to her Majesty's Government ? Mr. M. SUTTON said that no official information had reached the Government. He believed passages in private letters which had reached this country com plained of the refusal to admit magistrates to inspect the prisons in Van Diemen's Land, but of this Government had received no official intimation. The proper course to be taken would be, for the parties who felt this refusal to be a grievance to make a formal complaint to the Government, through the proper chan nel. Not any complaint, however, had as yet reached the Government, but as soon as any such did reach it, he would take care that it should be inquired into. COUNTY RATES. Sir J. Y. BULLER gave notice, that on Tuesday, the INCOME-TAX. e Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition , very 13th 3 i to of a e n r e d b h b e a should e m n l o 'e f c f o o u r n i t e y av r e ate to s. bring in a a m n e e r e ou e s f ly th s e ign t e a d from x , enin t n n e che d s e t r e i r r , e a d ga f i r n e s m t th tr e a c d o e n s tiannud professions. STAMP DUTIES IN IRELAND. Mr. C. BULLER wished to ask the Hon. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government a question. He (Mr. Buller) perceived that the Stamp Duties, under the new Act, were to be continued in Ireland. What he wished to know was, whether that Act was to be con tinued in force during the income-tax in Ireland? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the Act was to be continued only for the purpose of collecting in outstanding arrears. SHIPWRECKS. Mr. MASTERMAN, seeing the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government in his place, begged to remind him that, during the last session, a Committee had been appointed to make inquiries regarding the shipwreck of British vessels. The ques tion he wished to ask was—whether it was intended to bring forward any measure upon the report of that Committee ? Sir ROBERT PEEL said that, in the ordinary course of business, of course, the report alluded to by the Hon. Member on his left would be attended to; but he uncle r stood, from his Hon. Friend the Vice-President of the Board of Trade, that the report was not yet ready. IMPORTATION OF SUGAR. Mr. THORNELY wished to put a question to the Right Hon. Baronet the First Lord of the Treasury of great importance to this country, as regarded the im portation of sugar. He had been informed that that day there had arrived in the port of London sam ples of sugar from New Orleans, the produce of slave labour. What he wished to know was, whether this sugar, as well as that imported from Louisiana and other slave countries, would be admitted into this country upon the same terms as sugar imported from Java and Manilla ? Sir R. PEEL said that those countries of the United States in which sugar was produced by slave•labour, and admitted into England, were countries with which this kingdom had at present reciprocity treaties. With regard to the arrival announced by the Honourable Member, he (Sir Robert Peel) begged to say he had had no intimation whatever of it ; but he would say, that at present that sugar would not be ad missible on the same terms as sugar the pro duce of the countries mentioned by the lion. Member. But he would add, that he had no hesitation in saying that sugar, the produce of the United States, now under the reciprocity treaties, would be admitted under the proposed advantages.—(Hear.) Mr. THORNELY was very glad to hear that an nouncement from the Right Hon. Baronet, as a new and very extensive trade in sugar was about to be opened with the countries he had named, to which this altered state of the law would be of great importance. Mr. E WART wished to know whether it was not the fact that slave-grown sugar, admitted at the reduced duty from the United States, would undersell the free labour sugar of Mauritius and Java ? Sir R. PEEL was understood to say that he was not prepared with an answer. THE NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT. Mr. 11. R. YORKE took that opportunity, before the order of the day was read, to put to the Noble Lord, the Chief Commissioner of Woods and Forests (Lord Lincoln), the questions of which he had given notice—namely, when the statement of the total estimated cost of the building of the new Houses of Parliament, according to the latest plan approved, would be laid upon the table ? Also, whether the Noble Lord intended to lay upon the table of the House Mr. Barry's last half-yearly report of the works to the Commission ers of Woods and Forests ? Also, seeing the inconvenierree of the present temporary arrangements, whether the New House of Commons will be ready for occupation at the commencement of 1847, the latest period alluded to in the report of the Select Committee of last session? He did not think it necessary to trespass on the time of the PROPERTY-TAX. The order of the day for going into Committee on the property-tax was then read. Captain BERNAL OSBORNE said, that he could not reconcile it to his conscience, or to the duty which he owed to his constituents, to suffer this motion to be agreed to sub silortio. He entertained most serious ob ' jections to this tax as it was at present levied, and re served to himself a full right to express his approval of a property-tax fairly levied. He must say, that con sidering that this tax was levied upon trades and profes sions, and that the Government held out no hope of any alteration taking place, he considered the tax in its present form so odious and unjust, that he should move as an amendment that the House do resolve itself into Committee that day three months. Mr. MUNTZ wished to explain the reason why he now opposed the proposition of the Right Honourable Baronet for the continuance of the property-tax. Having voted for it when it was first proposed, because at that time he deemed it expedient and just, he thought it his duty to explain the reasons that now induced him to vote against it. The circumstances of the case were quite altered now from what they had been when the Right Hon. Baronet proposed the tax ; and he (Mr. Muntz) had voted fir it on that occasion because he had felt convinced that it was necessary either to im pose this tax or to levy an additional duty on articles of general consumption. But the question was now entirely alterered—the question now was, whether you should take off that tax or any other tax ? and, while supporting the general proposition that the imposition of a property-tax was fair and equitable, he had a decided objection to this tax, because he consi dered an income-tax an injustice.—(Cheers.) The more be considered the subject the more he was con firmed in this opinion ; and he bad not met with a single income-tax commissioner who did not admit the gross injustice and hardship of an income-tax. Many people paid this tax who had no property or in come whatever, for the sake of keeping up appear ances. He begged it to be distinctly understood that he did not object to a property-tax.--(Cheers.) They might quadruple a property-tax if they liked, he should not object to it. But he considered the tax, as it at present existed, most unjust. An eth:r reason why he objected to the continuance of this tax was, that not only the House, but the country, were labouring under misconception on the subject of the continuance of this tax. They, like the Right Hon. Gentleman, were flattering themselves that, in three years' time, they would get rid of this tax. They would do no such thing. It would be perpetual.—(Hear, hear.) Not only would they have to pay it for the rest of their lives, but their children, their grandchildren, and their great grandchildren would have to pay it after them.— (Cheers and laughter.) Not only were they continuing the tax, but they were doing away with the means of ever getting rid of it. If he agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet that a permanent improvement had taken place in the condition of the country, then he might, perhaps, consider that there was some hope of the repeal of the tax, but he entirely differed from the Right Hon. Baronet on that point. It was true that an improvement had taken place in certain districts, but it was evident why that improvement had taken place. Additional burdens had been put upon one class, which had relieved another. It was true the Right Honourable Baronet had relieved the industrious clauses belonging to the ma nufacturing interest ; but he had done this by laying additional burdens upon the agricultural interest. " I call this," said the Hon. Gentleman, " robbing Peter to pay Paul "—(A. laugh) but I want to know who is to pay Peter ?—(Cheering, and much laughter.) The Hon. Baronet said the other day that Sir Robert Peel was a difficult bird to put salt on his tail, but it was quite clear that the Right Hon. Baronet had put salt on some of their tails. (Great laughter.) He did not quarrel with the Right lion. Baronet for entertaining the opinions he did. He was willing to believe that he was sincere in them. He believed that the Right lion. Baronet deceived himself, deceived the House, and deceived the country.—(Renewed laughter.) lie (Mr. Muntz) ex pressed his sentiments straightforwardly and honestly, and felt no hesitation in saying that the income-tax was a most vexatious, obnoxious, and inquisitorial tax, and he would always vote against its imposition. Mr. F. BARING said, that if it were now a question whether they would vote for an income tax or not, and that their will was perfectly unembarrassed by the finan cial circumstances of the country, he would oppose it. But, considering the position in which the country stood, he believed it was preferable to other modes of taxation ; and the fact was, they had no power to dispense with this tax. What was the financial state of the country ? They ought distinctly to understand whether or not they had a surplus to deal with—whether they could take of the tax or not. He (Mr. Baring) did not think they could dispense with 5,000,0001. The income for the year, without the China money and the income-tax, was about 47,900,0001. ; the expenditure, as shown by the estimates, was about 49,700,0001.; leaving a deficiency of 1,800,0001. He was speaking of the condition of the finances of the country if they took off the income-tax. He had heard it said on the other side that the resources of the country ought to leave a margin to meet some of the casual expenses which fre quently came upon them. Now, if they took that into consideration, he did not believe that they could get rid of the income-tax without the imposition of fresh taxes to the amount of two millions. That was the present state of the finances of the country; and this was his justification, and his only justification, for voting for the income-tax. He voted for it, because he was not ready to leave the country again with a deficient revenue. Ho would say that it was not wise, after having had re course to one of the stro nges t fi n ancial measures that could be taken, to give up a ll the advantages which the) had gained by suc h a measu re. lie was ready to becausesub mit to any taunt for expressing this opinion, he T believed it to be a sound one. H Gen tleman (Sir R. Peel) the other night he u ha Rightd said that he (Mr. Baring), and his friends arond him, must they did not be in love with the income-tax,because oppose it. (The Right Hon. Baronet expressed dissent.) Why, the Right Hon. Baronet had said, " If you do not do you . not vote against it ?" like the income-tax, why The Right Hon. Gentleman said, why don't you vote against the income-tax, or propose other taxes to meet the trifling deficiency we have to make up ? Now, he thought that was not fair, because it made a great difference whether you oppose a tax which is already laid on, or whetheryou oppose it originally.—(Hear.) li e h a d a decided objection to the income-tax being made a part of the permanent taxation of the country. He had constantly opposed it, because he thought it unwise, and he would continue to oppose it ; but, though he retained all the objections which he had expressed when the tax was originally laid on, it did not follow that he was to oppose its continuance for a further period of three years, when it was neces sary to meet the deficiencies of the country. It was one thing to entertain strong objections to an income tax, and it was another thing not to oppose its continu ance for three years, particularly when there was a deficiency of 2,500,0001. to be made up.—(Hear.) ile did not think it would be wise to MR" any great alterations in the way of taking o ff taxes which would have,to be imposed again if; as he thought, the income-tax ought not to be a permanent one. Assuming, then, that some tax was necessary, and that the continuance of the income-tat was requisite, he would next come to consider what the propositions of the Right Hon. Gentleman were, and what was the course he pursued, having obtained his means, and as it would be very difficult to argue the case without going into the whole of the financial arrangements of the country with the Right Hon. Gentleman, he hoped the House would pardon him in asking for its attention for a somewhat longer period than otherwise would have been necessary. And, in the first place, he sincerely regretted that the Right Hon. Gentleman had left himself with so small a sur plus, about 90,000/. or 100,000/. He must say that that seemed to him to be a small surplus to rely on. And how did it rest ? On the sugar duties.—(Hear, bear.) And on what did the sugar duties rest ?—(Hear.) Why, on the ca l cu l at i on that the consumption of sugar would be increased nearly one-fifth beyond what it was in the year in which they had the greatest consumption, and next, that that consumption would be supplied by the coming in of certain sugars at a higher rate of duty. Now, what were the duties which the Right Hon. Gen tleman would have to fsll back upon? He wished not to act unfriendly to the Right Hun. Gentleman, but if the classification was to be abandoned, he wanted to know what was to become of the surplus ? It was clear that the Right Hon. Gentleman would not get the amount of duty he expected for the sugar duties. He was warned of that by the Right Hon. Gentleman the late President of the Board of Trade. He now came to the taxes that were proposed to be taken off; and in doing so he admitted that they could not take off any tax without its b e i ng beneficial to the country, but there were certain classes that would be more rapidly affected than others. In the proposal of the Right Hon. Gentleman he could not see any particular charm.—(Hear, hear.) There could be no doubt that the alteration of the sugar duties would be a great boon, but the proposal that was made would not effect it. He had made out a case differing materially from the ordinary rule of financial arrangement ; but in that arrangement he was supported by the common sense of the country. They could not expect but that from their reductions the same benefits would accrue as in other cases of reduction. He was afraid, however, that the Right Honourable Gentleman was hampering him self by the principle he was adopting, and that the advantages to the community would not be so great as he expected. He (Mr. Baring) admitted that the re duction on glass would be a very great benefit. He did not in the least conceal that ; but it must be also under stood that he did not mean that it would confer a direct benefit : he certainly admitted that indi rectly that reduction would be of very great advantage to the poorer classes. He believed that it would give a considerable impetus to improvements, improvements of very great extent, but some time must elapse ere its in fluence could come into operation. There were other duties remitted by the Right Honourable Baronet, and he admitted here also that these reduc- ions were calculated to benefit the country ; but he (Mr. Baring) should have proposed, in preference to either of those reductions, the lowering of the duty on soap ; for, as far as his opinion went, that would have been found mor e beneficial - to the working classes. Still off , no one could object to the taking taxes. If they dealt with taxation merely in the abstract--if they turned their eyes to those reductions without comparing them with others which might have been conceded instead, the measure of the Right Hon. Baronet might be considered a very liberal one. And with reference to those articles on which the duty had been remitted, would it not, he asked, have been more advantageous for the classes said to benefited, if those reductions had been made in the poor man's tea, in his butter, in his soap, in his cheese, in his tobacco, a n d i n hi s co ff ee ? lie was not so enamoured of the Right Honourable Baronet's proposal as many Hemourable Gentlemen on that side of the Hou3e had expressed themselves to be. The Right Hon. Baronet had assured them that the income-tax would be taken off at the expiration of three years. He doubted much whether, at the end of that period, the Right Hon. Baronet could perform his promise, He had no doubt that the Right lion. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer had a firm conviction that lie would be enabled to do without that tax. The Right Hon. Gentleman said, no man could speak positively as to what might occur in three years hence, but looking at the premises, he felt satisfied that the re venue would right itself before the expiration of that time. When the Right Hon. Gentleman used that language he (Mr. Baring) confessed he did not believe the prospects he predicted were likely to arise. The Right Hon. Gentleman turned to cerain years, in which he said they would find that so much taxation was taken off, and in a short time afterwards the re venue improved. Now, he begged the House to bear in mind what the Right Hon. Gentleman's statement was. The Right Hon. Gentleman said, they intended to take off taxes to the amount of three or four millions, and in the course of three years they expected their revenue would by these means be increased five millions. Now, he (Mr. Baring) could not entertain the same sanguine hopes. No man had more confidence in the real power of the resources of the country than he had.—(Hear, hear.) lie never had joined in the language of despondency which be had occasionally he and indulged in by some Hon. Members on his own side of the House ; but still he must confess he could not now agree in the views and opinions of the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The Right Hon. Gentleman directed attention to the state of the revenue in 1816. He un derstood the Right lion. Gentleman to say, that three millions of taxes were taken off in that year, and the re sult was that in 1819 the revenue improved. Now he could find no common resources of information which could help him to arrive at this conclusion.—(Hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman tried to assimilate the circumstances of 1816 with the present time ; but the Right lion. Gen tleman bad entirely forgotten the income-tax which existed at that time.—(Hear, hear.) In the year 1916, the ordinary revenue paid into the Exchequer w ee 71,900,000/. Was that so ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—In cluding the income-tax. Mr. F. BARING continued—Exactly so. He thought the Right Right Honourable Gentleman had forgot ten the income-tax. Well, then, in 1816 the ordinary revenue was 71,900,0001. In 1819 the ordinary revenue was 52,155,0001., being less 19,745,000/. Ile was afraid the Right Honourable Gentleman would hardly be able to say that this was a consolatory result for the first instance which the Right Honour able Gentleman gave in support of his statement. It was on these grounds that the Cabinet had taken up their impression that the income-tax would be taken off at the end of three )ears. Other cases were more clear. On the 'declination of trade in a bad year, taxes were taken off to relieve it ; in another year, trade revived and the revenue improved ; and then it was said that this was the result of the remission of tax ation. To a certain extent he admitted this. But when he came to look into the returns moved for by the Hon. Member for Carlisle, he did not see anything to justify the position which the Government had taken up, especially if they were to take the whole amount into account. There were two proofs. They might take the experience of the years 1822, 23, 24, 25, and 1826. During those years there was a large amount of taxation taken off. In 1831, 32, 33, 34, 35, and 1836, there was also a l a rg e amoun t o f t axat i on taken off. If they were to take the average of the revenue of 1820 and 1821, and compared it with the average revenue of 1827, 28, and 1829, they would find that there had been a reduction of about 13,000,0001.; but so far from the revenue having righted itself from ordinary sources, in those years they would find from these returns that there had been a loss of not less than 4,000,0001. if they took the second period of 1827, 1828, 1829, and compare it with 1837, 1838, and 1839 they would find that in the remis sion of taxes there had been a loss of 4,600,0001. If lion. Gentlemen would refer to the returns moved for by Sir William Clay they would find that the taxes taken off between 1815 and 1830 amounted to 18,000,0001., and there had been a loss to the extent of 7,760,0001. in the ordinary sources of revenue. The House would recollect that in the whole of the Right Honourable Gentleman's explanation upon this subject, he said that in taking off those taxes he had proposed to remove, he would not only be con ferring a certain amount of relief on a large portion of the community, but that he would be borne out in doing so by the history of the acts of those who had preceded him in office. From the year 1815 to the year 1833, about 33,000,000 of taxes had been taken off, by which no less than 22,000,000/. were lost to the country. And now he would ask the Right Hon. Gentleman how he proposed to persuade this House that in his financial statement he meant to carry out the pledge he had given relative to the alleviation of taxes? There was ono po int to which he (Mr. Baring) wished particularly to allude, and if he did not consider it of importance he would not trespass so long upon the patience of the House. When first the Right Honourable Gentleman camo into office, in the year 1842, he stated the means by which he proposed to take off thed heom should tax at the expiration of three years._ iin He said call upon both sides of t he House to grant the income tax, and that, at the end of three years, he would, with out charging the Whigs with any improper expenditure of money, be able to take off a great amount of taxation by the reduction of the army and navy.—(Hear, hear.) Now ho (Mr. Baring) had looked at the amount required for defraying the expenses of those two great services of tlie country, and he had compared the estimates of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite for those services, with those of the last year of " Whig mismanagement," and he had found that the estimates of the Right Hon. Gen tleman, in this item alone, exceeded by half a million those of the last year of " Whig mismanagement." He (Mr. Baring) hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would be able to make out this part of his case to the satisfaction of the House. He (Mr. Baring) did not complain of the amount, if it should have been deemed necessary for the sustainment of the honour of the country; on the contrary he would not shrink from his share in the responsibility; but he could not avoid saying that, after all they had heard . from the Hon. Gentleman of re duction of taxation ; and after the manner in which the Whig party had been held up for " mis management " and " jobbing"—(Great laughter)— it was not very satisfactory to have it announced that half a million more would be Man for this year for the army and navy estimates Min wake demanded for the same purpose during the last year of " Whig mis rule and mismanagement."—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) sieirevalltoiounlds. not trouble the House with any further ob - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER appre. hended, from what the Right Hon. Gentleman bad said in the beginning of his speech, that it was not necessary for him (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) to follow him through all his topics. Neither would In follow ~~.