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Ile was aware that at this season it was quite vain to offer any opposition to the Bills which were daily br ‘nght up in shoals. This Bill was merely to renew a Bill already in s.xisteneo, and, therefore, sub stantml amendments could not be with propriety iptro• duced into It seem, dto him to he extremely unitiq that Parliament should pass such Acts as thi , , directed against one class, as in this case the Prote,tants:, or rather the Orangemen or Ireland. Why sh , •uld not the law be extended to all other processions accompanied by bands of music, banners. &c.? Last year, there were monster meetings, processions, far more dangerous than the processions of the Protestants which this Bill was to repress. There were also the temperance processions, which although harmless in themselves were turned to a mischievous purpose, as had been f eteseen by that great benefactor of his country, Faber Mathew, who always set his face against temperance processions with bands and banners —(Hear, hear.) Instead of passing this Continuence Bill, lie thought the Government would better consult the wishes and wehare of the people of Ire land if they allowed the Bill in existence to expire, and to bring in next session a Bill applying to all kinds of pro cessions, if necessary. But he denied that, if the Go vernment of that country were carried on impartially, there would ee any neeessit . t fir Arms Bills, Coercion Bills, and Procession Bills. He moved that the Bill be committed that day three months. The E irl of itODEN seconded the motion, and was very happy that his Noble Friend had expressed himself so openly and so ably on this subject. The Bill was felt by the Protestants of the North of Ireland to be a eratuitous insult to them, and especially at this pericei When the time for their possessions had passed. What reason, he would ask, eas there for introducing this insult, this affront, this degrading and offensive Bill? He thought that if the Government would take this opportunity of withdrawing the measure, they would give satisfaction to all pat ties ; for the Roman Catholics themselves had petitioned against the Act, which was odious to all. He agreed with his Noble Friend that, however beneficial the effects of temperance might tie, a mischievous use had been made of the bands and processions, and it was notorious that these temperance bands attended at all the monster meetings and repeal processions. It was the duty of the Government, there fore, to put clown all such processions as well as those of the Irish Protestants. The Duke of WELLINGTON said that the Noble Lords who wished this Bill to be committed this day three months forgot their own argument. They said that the Bill was an insult and an injustice to the Protestants of Ireland, and at the same time that the other party petitioned against the law. When the Bill came first into operation some years ago, the greatest praise was bestowed upon the conduct of the parties whose proces sions this Bill was framed to repress. The Legislature had every reliance in the loyalty of those people. But it was thought necessary for the peace of the country to atop the processions. His Noble Friends spoke of the monster processions and meetings last year with banners and bands of music. But he was not aware that those who took part in those processions appeared in arms. Th e attention of the Government was fur a long time directed to those meetings ; and those who were in strumental in calling them together, and disturb ing the peace of the countri, were brought to triel. He thought the Government might claim eredit to itself for these trials, and they could now see what the result had been. The country was perfectly in peace, and at the assis s the courts had little to do. There was reason to believe tlat there would be no necessity for those extraord is try laws, but that Ireland could he governed as England was, by the simple operation of the laws as they were. The law to which the Bill slow' before the House related, was already in existence, and the Government did not think it would be expedient to allow it to expire as yet. But the Go vernment wanted no new law. Hitherto the existing "ws had been sufficient for maintaining the Peace of the country ; but if the present law should prove inadequate, then it would be the duty of the Government to extend this law to other processions * which might appear dangerous to the peace. At pre sent, he repeated that the Government wanted no new Power, although they were unwilling to part with any Power such a s th a t of the law now under consideration, and which the Legislature had so many years entrusted to them. He hoped the House would allow the Bill to go into Committee. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said that although usually opposed to the Government, he felt bound to suppor t them on this occasion. He quite agreed with the Noble Duke opposite that the Government ought not to give up the power which the Legislature had so long entrusted to them. If the Bill were allowed to ex• Aire, the Government could not but feel responsible for any mischief that might ensue. Lord WHARNCLIFFE assured his Noble Friends (the Earls of Wicklow and Roden) that nothing could be further from his thoughts than to offer an insult, or to do an injury to the Protestants of the north of Ire land, w h ose conduct had been most praiseworthy, and marked by loyalty and good order. It was certain th,,t the law did not apply to the temperance and mon ster processions of last year. But they were to recollect that they had to deal with a man who boasted that he could drive a coach and four through an Act of Parlia ment, and who had contrived to keep those meetings within the v erge o f t h e law. Indeed, no Act could bge fra .t m . ed effect ua ll y to extend this Bill to such meetings without preventing the people of Ireland from holding Any meeting wh a t ever with music or banners. The question was then put, the amendment was nega tived, and the Bill passed through Committee without discussion, and was reported, The Marqu:s of SALISBURY moved that the peti tion of Mr. Paton, an engineer, claiming compensation for expenses incurred (as the petition alleged) by the order of a Committee of the House, be referred to a Select Committee. After a few words from Lord COLBORNE and Lord WRARNCLIFFE, the motion was negatived without a HEALTH OF THE METROPOLIS. The Marquis of NORNIANBY presented a petition from medical men in Shoreditch, in favour of improved sanatory regulations in the metropolis. The Noble Marquis then moved the order of the day for the consi deration of an humble address to her Majesty en the subj, , ct of the sanatory co idition of the people. The u nhealthiness of the large towns was on the increase, and called for sanatory regulations. In 1811 the mor tality in Manchester was only I in 78, in the last year it was 1 in 28, and fifty thousand persons perished an nually in the large towns from contagious diseases, which sanatory regulations would have prevented. In the meantime a great increase of the population of the large towns had been occasioned by the transfer of a large por r°ll of the agricultural tab, urers to manufactures. n the year alluded to the ageienitural population was double the manufacturing; but now the proportion was reversed, and the manufacturing population was as two to one to the agricultural. But, at the same time, the mortality had increased ; awl in fifty towns, with an aggregate population of 2,051,799, upwards of 63,000 Persons had died in three years of contagious diseases., The Noble Marquis then re, d a eumber of statemente fir. Arnett, the work s aw l reports of De. Southwood Smith, t atnrin o ott, tied other gentles)). to show the extent of in various parts of the metropolis, arising from the want of ventilation and cleanliness.) He him. self had accompanied some of those gentlemen into the worst parts of \\ h . techapel, Bethnal-green, Shoreditch, th e Soho and he found all the evils pointed out by a,; l s se genoemen existing in their most aggravated form. th . slownes s of the progress made by the Commission en e e ls subje'A, and the iressing charaeter of the evil, con. "' n eed him that he oueht to bring forward this motion s . en at this late period of the session. The Commis- C t ° e ner s had only sat twenty-eight days for the examiett e of witnesses. and in their report they state that h ey would proceed with the consideration which so im- U' r ,tant a subject required. But they seemed to over „„eit that it was a subject which called for action more than ifiesideration. They overlooked the fact that 156 persons Netl daily i n t h e me t ro p o lis from that class of contagious e s ' s , es. which sanatory regulations would prevent. (The e c ," e 'e Ilarauis then read statements from the evidence in t B r W whitt was the deficiency of the supply of water ' e Poorer parts of the metropolis; and how easily and se e t T s l T Y that evil could be remedied.) Mr. Hawksley, of est.L'eottingham water-works, stated that before the ~,talishment of those works, the people bought their e o 'n at the rate of +d e id., or id, per bucket, according au t he dis tance f rom wh i c h i t was b roug ht, But now he neat 79,000 gall() is of water at a cost of IL Now, watt to the supp l y o f a i r , an a bundant supply of pure e r was most essential to the preservation of health. attewis:lled most earnestly to press this subject on the ll e , tl e t zun of the House and the Government, for he be nethe e u that there was no equally industrious population in e World un d ergo i ng so muc h physical suffering from ! eet of these matters than the people of the United eie et (le m. Of course in saying that be took into ac evils . the difference of climate which aggravated those e n3 to the United Kingdom. But he had visited great dut,inb :" of the hits o f the neerees in the West Indies • t ! the tin e of slavery, and he could confirm that an piaLwphelneing outcry would be raised against any ,i vv ,",L r r who would lodge his negroes in such wretehed etie " ( :'bgi a s he hal visited within the last few days. In Children in Shoreditch he found a woman with five ill of fever. She paid Is. 6d. a week for the ag ° ,:t Six weeks ago sh e was co nfi n ed ; five weeks er husband died of fever ; and during the illness ii3difst,henevrents the children had to procure water from a h ac i a ely of a quarter or half a mile; f( r the water eons, any the cot t i off the supply of water from all the houses in tw een two years ago (in consequence of a quarrel be e two landladies who owned the court as to who a fe ll ,„ °ll e l : cl e yay the rate. In that whole court, with so many there was but one privy, and there was no sewer eue " e ` . , , i quarter of a mile distant. He would not oc sewwuiiethh t s h u e rp many details of this kind with _ n r e he rwas p ovided. He visited a place called wit assed all that he had seen e : l llPi s e e je ; r ee ( 1 ) 1 u 0 r t u , w ee e He might well say with the poet, that it a Place 14 where flag s the noontide air, and as we PUS tetbWe fear to breathe the putrifying mass." lit n i 'reeti was somewhat differently situated ; there ' he n tio crowded a population and one ardens re which eleowed that they were ' capable saw of enjoying g .tuitnore refined state of life if they were protected. But ; *me knee deficiency and neglect produced the 5a1116 evils I here as elsewhere. There was a vast pool of stag nant , vat , •r—a reservoir of contagion—in Lamb's-field, nnd a la*.dow-a•r in she npighbonthood used a stagnant dit ;11 t;• keep ,he 1) y out of his fielck and save the ex p•-•nse of a let , ce, althou , A he thus spread disease t rough the neighbourhood. These were things that ought not ;to be delayed. It was the opini•,n of Sir Robert Swirke, ! and others, that the Govertunent could form a general plan which could be easily and effectually acted — upon. It was said that these evils were the necessary atten dants upon poverty. But he denied that it was so, and the rep.art of Dr. Arnott showed that the mortality in the great manufacturing towns, such as Manchester, Gla-gow, Sce., was n.atrly doable in seasons of abundant work and wages, than what occurred in seasons of scarce work and scarcity of food. Here he would ref with pleasure to what occurred in Dundee, and which was highly creditable to the indus- trious artisans of that plaCe. A Mr. Simp-on, a gentle ! man of great talents and benevolence, delivered lectures to them upon the importance of air, cleanliness, &c. to health. The consequence was, that those artisans united t > establish baths for their own use. He hoped that this example a ould be followed elsewhere. (The Noble Marquis then read statistical calculations by Mr. M'Culloch, Mr. Lewis, and Mr. Hawkesley, to shoal' that in the fifty towns already referred to, there was a loss of 12,000,000/ per annum occasioned by sickness alone ; and if the metropolis and other towns were added to the list, the whole loss to the labouring class from contagious disease alone, arising from this neglect, would be upwards of 30,000,0001) In Preston, out of eighty cases of fever, it appeared from the report of the medical gentlemen, that four slept in one bed, and only thirty-five had separate beds for each patient. He admitted that while the la bouring classes were obliged to lodge in this way, it would be of little use to attempt to improve their physical condition. And it appeared, from the reports, that no amelioration could take place in their condition until there was some limitation as to hours. Until that could be effected, the females of the labouring classes could not attend to domestic duties, or be fitted to pre serve their homes healthy and comfortable. In Ashton under-Lyne, Lord Stamford inserted in his leases clauses to enforce certain sanatory regulations. But, notwith standing that advantage, it appeared, from the evidence of Mr. Colecott, that the mortality of children was greater in Ashton-under-Lyne than in any of the other towns, occasioned by the unavoidable neglect of the mothers, who were at work in the factories. The remedy for this would be, obviously, that the mother should work fewer hours of the day, and sacrifice a portion of the wages, to attend to her domestic duty. Forty years ago, all those evils were shown to exist in Liverpool, by Dr. Duncan, who pointed out the natural remedies. Yet at this moment Liverpool was the unhealthiest town of all. He had endeavoured, and he hoped successfully, to prove that there ought to be no further delay. He trusted that their Lordships would show that after two years they had not repented of their good intentions. He would not interfere in their legislation upon this subject, because he was convinced that any measure must be taken up and carried out by the Executive Government in order to be effective. He therefore entreated them now, at the end of the session, before they returned to their own splendid homes, to approach the Sovereign, and assure her that " you retain your sympathy with the most patient, most industrious, most neglected,land suffering of her Majesty's subjects."— (Hear, hear.) The Noble Marquis concluded by moving an address to the Crown, praying her Majesty to order a measure to be introduced on the subject of the sanatory condition of the people early in the next session. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH was conscious of the great importance of this subject. But he did not think that the Government was to blame for the delay that had taken place. The Bill brought in by the Noble Marquis passed through this House, but was dropped in the other. After that the present Go vernment appointed a Commission of Sanatory Inquiry, and the Commissioners had discharged the duty assigned to them with great care and assiduity. He could not ad nit that the time spent in that inquiry was wasted. They had directed their attention to the laws already in existence bearing upon the sanatory condition of towns, and they had found that there could be a great deal more done under the existing laws than bad been done. For instance, with respect to the sewerage. There were many parts of the metropolis in which the sewerage was excellent; in others, it was very defective. But he be lieved that the Commissioners were in doubt whether they had the power of making new sewers, thinking that their powers were limited to the repairing of old sewers. The Commissioners had arrived at the conclu sion that street sewerage was of little use without house drainage; whereas, in many places, there were good sewers running down the middle of the streets without any communication with the houses. Another subject to which they had attended was the supply of water— a subject of the greatest importance to the health of towns. They found that in some parts of the metropolis the deficiency was disgraceful. Mr. Hawkesley had shown them that the people of Nottingham were sup plied abundantly with water at the expense of only Id. per week for each family. The water was wanted not for domestic purposes only, but for cleansing the drains and sewers.—(Hear, hear.) In Islington a very excel lent plan was adopted for " plushing" the sewers with water and thoroughly cleansing them. But in other places some strange regulations were in force respecting the sewers. It was positively forbidden to sweep into the sewers any portion of the filth of the street ; and it was also strictly forbidden to make any communication between the cess-pools and the sewers.—(Hear, hear.) These were matters which called for the interference of the Legislature. But there was great difficulty in dealing with these subjects. For instance, there were, some time ago, 30,000 persons living in cellars in Liverpool. Now the buildings in Liverpool and the neighbourhood in creased in fair proportion to the increase of the popula tion. Yet if these 30,000 persons were ejected from the cellars they could find no place to go to. Their present dwellings were bad enough ; still it would be worse to have no roof over them at all. However, a Bill was passed for the purpose, and on the Ist of July they ought to have been all ejected ; but it could not be done, and the law was inoperative. Nor was it in those poorer neighbourhoods alone in the metropolis and the large towns that the people were packed more closely than they ought to be. It was proved before the Committee that in the immediate neighbourhood even of Grosvenor square people were crowded together in one room, and in one bed, to the great injury of morals as well as of health. He mentioned this to show the great difficidy of legislating on these subjects. Perhaps one of the greatest difficulties in all sanatory regulations was its expensiveness. It had been suggested that much might be done to get over that difficulty by a consolidation of the rates. On this subject and others, such as the supply of water and the construc tion and management of sewers, the most valuable in formation had - been offered to the Commission by Dr. Arnott, Mr. Hawkesley, and the other gentlemen ex amined. Indeed, those gentlemen had received the thanks of the functionaries who were engaged in France in similar inquiries. A further cause of delay was the necessity for a complete survey, before any practical measure should be taken, and that requisite would be found in the Ordnance survey, which was now in progress. He would not trespass longer on the time of the House, although there were many points in the Noble Marquis's speech which were well worthy of their Lordships' deep consideration. He would only observe that the mortality of children in the manufacturing towne was occasioned, not by the want of ventilation, but by the excessive administration of opiates to keep them quiet in the absence of the parents. With regard to the address proposed by the Noble Marquis, he was sorry he could not support it, for he did not seo that it could effect any good, whereas it seemed to be a censure upon the Government for alleged delay.—(Hear, hear.) No man could be more anxious than he was to promote sanatory measures, but it was necessary to take time for the preparation of measures, so as to avoid such a failure as occurred in the case of Liverpool, when a sanatory act, obtained at great expense, had proved quite inope rative. He believed that within a reasonable time the Commission would complete their report, so that early next session it would be in the power of the Govern ment to propose some measures, founded on the report, to either this or the other House of Parliament. He would move the previous question.. A messenger from the Commons brought up the Joint- Stock Companies Regulation Bill and several other Bills. The Marquis of NORMANBY did not think that the Noble Duke had made out a sufficient reason for the delay of the report. However, as he had the expecta tion held out that sanatory measures founded on the re • port Would be laid before Parliament next session, he would not press his motion, but would leave it in their Lordships' hands. Th 6 Duke of WELLINGTON said that the Govern ment were not to blame for the delay. When the Noble Marquis brought forward his sanatory measures, being a Minister of the Crovin, he (the Duke of Wellington) and those who were now in her Majesty's Government, sup ported the Nob. Marquis.—(Hear, hear.) No time had since been lost ; and, under these circumstances, he thought the Hous,l might have been spared the pain of being called upon to vote an address, which could not be looked upon as any other than a censure on the Govern ment, who had applied themselves earnestly to the subj( et. The Marquis of NORMANBY had no intention of casting censure upon the Government. The previous question was then carried, and the ad dress was lost. The Bills on the table were advanced a stage. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Nine o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 26. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'clock. The Piccadilly Improvement Bill, Wilson's Estate Bill, the Bishop of London's Estate Bill, and Gaper's Divorce Bill, were read a second time, and ordered to be committed. Mr. PARBY presented a petition from Surrey against any alteration in the corn-laws. .Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL presented seventy-five peti tions from various parts of Ireland, in favour of a repeal of the legislative union between England and Ireland. CONTIIOVERTED ELECTIONS BILL. Mr. GREENE brought up the report upon this Bill. On the motion that the amendments of the Committee be agreed to, Mr. V. SMITH said this Bill contained the same error which pervaded all former Bills on this subject— namely, that of considering controverted elections as a matter between two contending parties, and not as a matter affecting the public generally. He regretted that the number of Membere on Committees on contro verted elections had been fixed at five. Tea thought it would have been rntigh more convenient to have 44r.4e urea the number of Merahers to be on these Commit toes, He thought that some means Ought to be adopted to iii it tie oxpepsp of pplichxcting an opposition to a pe tition. Ey the present constitution of the bar fqi• election Committees, that bar was vprfr limited and the conse quence was, that one eminent cQnnse Kai frequently engaged on half-a-dozen Committees M 9s!r SP WAG a speech in one Committee and then ran off to another, and the consequence was, that a number of junior counsel were engaged to conduct the other parts of the case. Although this Bill effected a slight improvement, yet he could not support the principle upon which it was rounded. Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET did not see why the services of an eminent counsel should be confined to one Committee. Although the Right Hon. Gentleman had objected to this Bill, yet he had suggested nothing in its place. The amendments were then agreed to. SAVINGS BANKS BILL. On the motion for going into Committee on this Bill, Mr. HUME complained that uniformity had not been observed in this Bill with respect to the payment ofin terest on deposits. He also complained that the original intention with respect to the establishment of savings' banks had not been carried out. Savings' banks were established for the benefit of the working classes, but persons of all descriptions had been allowed to become depositors in savings' banks. He complained of the amount of salaries to persons employed as managers and clerks in the savings banks of the country. Many abuses had crept into our system of savings -banks, and he was sorry to find that the Chancellor of the Ex chequer had not endeavoured to remedy them. Pro bably—and no doubt this was the case—the Chancellor was ignorant of the existence of these abuses ; but he (Mr. Hutne) assured him that he had paid a great deal of attention to the subject, and he had discovered many abuses which ought to be remedied as early as possible. He was anxious to check the practice of persons of the better classes being allowed to become depositors. These persons were allowed to deposit 201. or 301., and receive interest upon it at once, whilst the poor man, who deposited his few shillings at a time, received no interest until his deposits had reached a certain sum in the aggregate. Mr. I)ARBY thought this Bill would prove very beneficial. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER agreed in much that had fallen from the Hon. Member for Mon trose, but it should be recollected that Parliament had not originated savings' banks. It had, however, given encouragement to them when they were once formed, and had conferred upon them a degree of security which they had not before possessed. There were two great abuses which were likely to arise in connection with savings' banks. The first was, that the high rate of interest would hold out an inducement to per sons to deposit moneys in those banks, for whose benefit or use they were never intended. The whole number of depositors under 201. was only six per cent. of the whole number of de positors. The other evil which was likely to arise was, that if the rate of interest was low it would tend to en courage extravagance on the part of the banks. The best mode of guarding against both those abuses, was to make the rate of interest given by the savings' banks lower than what could be obtained if money was invested in other public securities. At the dif ferent rates of interest given by the banks of deposit, he did not think it was an ob jectionable feature in the present system ; but, at all events, it was unavoidable. The Right Hon. Gentleman went on to show by documentary evi dence that the public was rather a gainer than a loser by the management at present adopted. Ho proposed to raise the maximum rate of interest from 2/. 15s. as ori ginally intended to 31—(Hear, hear.) Mr. BROTHERTON thought that every encourage ment should be given to those establishments for the sake of the industrious labourers. He thought that the Chancellor of the Exchequer would do well to raise the maximum rate of interest to 3/. 10s. Mr. DIVETT thought that the savings' banks were conducted on the whole, so as to give satisfaction. He entirely approved of the principle on which the Bill was founded, and he thought that the greatest credit was due to the Chancellor of the Exchequer for the attention which he had given to the subject. Mr. LABOUC HERE approved on the whole of the principle of the Bill, and he agreed with the Hon. Gen tleman that the greatest credit was due to the Right Hon. Gentleman for the attention which he had devoted to the subject. He thought that the raising of the rate of in terest to 34 would give general satisfaction. He hoped that the smaller banks would be enabled to afford this rate of interest as well as the larger establishments. Col. RUSIIBROOKE thought that the raising of the rate of interest to 31. would give satisfaction. He thought that every assistance should be given to the smaller banks. After a few words from Mr. HAwas and Mr. B. ESCOTT, the House went into Committee, bfr. GREENE in the chair. On clause 1 being proposed, Sir E. COLEBROOKE said it was considered that 10s. for the management was too much, and ss. too little. lie wished to know whether the Chancellor of the Ex chequer would not allow 3L 6s. Bd., that was 31. for in terest and 6s. Bd. for the management ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that they would regulate the rate of interest given by the savings bank, according to the general interest allowed by other general securities. He thought that 31. ss. was suffivient. Mr. HUME thought the Chancellor of the Exchequer was quite right. Ho hoped he would not be induced to allow more than 31. ss. Sir T. D. ACLAND thought the Chancellor of the Exchequer ought to allow 31. Os. 10d. as interest. He also thought that it was due to the smaller banks that a higher sum than ss. ought to be allowed for manage ment. He thought that 6s. Bd. was little enough ; and any person who knew anything of those savings' banks must be of the same opinion. He should propose that 6s. Rd. should be allowed. Mr. LABOUC HERE said that if the Hon. Baronet the Member for Devonshire divided the Committee on his proposition, that the sum for management should be 6s. Bd., he would support him in that proposition. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought that those who proposed 3/ 6s. Bd. could not have suffi ciently considered the relation in which the Government stood with regard to savings banks. They stood in the situation of a solvent banker, and they could not allow a higher rate of interest than the most solvent banker could afford. On those grounds he felt bound to adhere to the original proposition of 3L ss. Colonel RUSHI3ROOKE thought that 31. 6s. Bd. was little enough. Mr. B. DENISON hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer would adhere to his proposition. Mr. HAWES moved that Si. 6s. Bd. be substituted for 31. ss. Lord CLIVE supported the amendment. Mr. HUME said that if the Right Hon. Gentleman made the minimum interest 21. 18s. 4d., instead of the maximum 31., it would leave a margin of 6s. Bd. for the management. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not agree to the proposition of the Hon. Member for Montrose. He thought it would prevent the establish ment of new banks. Mr. B. DENISON did not think that a difference of ls. Bd. would prevent the establishment of new banks.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. HUMS opposed to any maximum. He did not see why the banks should not pay 31. 4s. if they could afford it.—(Hear.) The Committee then divided, when there appeared — For the amendment 2O Against it 5l Majority —3l The clause was then agreed to, and ordered to stand part of the Bill. On clause 2, which fixes the maximum rate of interest at 31., being proposed, Mr. HUME proposed, as an amendment, that there should be a minimum of 21. 18s. 4d., instead of a maxi mum of 31. Mr. B. DENISON supported the amendment. The clause was then agreed to. Clauses 3,4, and 5 were also put, and agreed to. Clause 6 was agreed to, after a short discussion. Clauses up to 12 were agreed to, after some verbal amendments. Clause 13 was agreed to with a few verbal amend ments, as were clauses up to 20. The remaining clauses were agreed to; the House re sumed, and the report was ordered to be brought up on Monday. NEW WRIT. A new writ was ordered to issue for the borough of Cirencester, in the room of T. Master, Esq., who had accepted the Chiltern Hundreds. WINDOW DUTY. Captain PECHELL wished to know whether unglazed lights, for sanatory purposes, were subject to the window duty ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could give no opinon on the subject. BOOKS AND ENGRAVINGS BILL. The House then went through Committee on the Books and Engravings Bill, and the report was ordered to be brought up on Monday. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from a place in Ireland against the Charitable Bequests (Ire land) Bill ; also a petition from St. Luke's, signed by 6,000 ratepayers, praying for the release of Daniel O'Connell, Esq., and his fellow prisoners. POOR-LAW AMENDMENT BILL. Colonel SIBTHORP gave notice, that on Monday, he should move that the salaries of the Poor-law Commis sioners be reduced to 1,0001 each ; and that the salaries of Assistant Poor-law Commissioners be reduced to 4001. a year each. Sir JAMES GRAHAM then moved the third read ing of the Poor-law Amendment Bill. Colonel SIBTHORP rose to oppose the motion. He regretted that the Right Hon. Gentleman on the Trea sury bench, to whom he was anxious to give his sup port, and of whose talents and integrity he entertainer) the highest opinion, should have considered it his duty to force forward this Bill in such a manner. He was surprised to find that the Right Lion. Gentleman thought it right, at the last moment, to refuse him (Colonel Sib thorp) the return for which he had moved on the sub ject of the Poor-law Commissioners. They received large sums of the public money, even the Assistant Commissioners had 7001. a-year each, which was more than the pay of officers in the army and navy. He desired to know how that money had been applied, and he would tell Hon. Gentlemen that it must come out.—(A. laugh.) He hoped Hon. Gentlemen opposite would assist him in opposition to this Bill. Mr. B. COCHRANE was glad to find that there were Hon. Members found to discuss this Bill, and to propose amendments in it, notwithstanding the lateness of the period at which it had been brought forward, notwithstanding the disinclination of the Go vernment to discuss the condition of the poor of this country, and in spite of the taunts and sneer; thrown out by Hon. Members behind the Treasury benches against thqse who ventured to occupy the time of the ll.use. Tkis very Bill was a confession that kitherto they had 4, , en legislating on a bad system ; an d with regard to the two great point s o f out-cf:mF relief, and of the separation of man and wife, on w hi c h hi s .119n,Tri9nd the gep- i itip! for E . veskara hid brought Tor= ward a motion, the Right Hon. Gentleman was obliged to confess that they had departed from the principles of the Bill. The present poor law had not checked paupe rism. It increased with our population. and every im provement in oer m ale factures lessenel tie demand for labour and increased pauperism. Ile had met with a fanciful supposition the other day that the Pyramids had been built to find work for the poor. But now every thing was done to throw them out of work. At the great agr - cultural meeting the other day, the Prussian Ambassador stated that the King of Prussia had said, h or happy a country England must be where old things wore as new, and where the new were identified with the old. He should like to know how this new poor-law was identified with old things, and what hold it had on the sympathies of the people? He thought this measure ought to form the principal consideration of her Majesty's Government at an early period of the next session. He believed that the time was not far distant when they would be obliged to repeal the law altogether. If he lived till the next session he should give any measure founded upon the principles of the present law his deoided opposition. Mr. HUME thought that it was to be regretted that lion. Members who talked of the prejudices of the people to this measure should in that House do all they could to fan that prejudice. He believed that the great cause of complaint in the measure was that its provisions were not properly carried out. With regard to the Commissioners they had a most ardent and difficult duty to perform, and he could only say, being one of the Committee that sat in 1838, when an inquiry was made into the conduct of the Com misioners, that the result of the deliberation of that Com mittee was a recommendation to continue the Commis sioners in preference to any other tribunal Those who were anxious for the condition of the poor ought to adopt far different measures to those, which were cal culated to increase their disaffection. Mr. HARDY hailed the present measure with pecu liar delight, because it was calculated to take away a great number of the severities from the present measure. He tendered his best thanks to the Government for the manner in which they had proposed their alterations to the Bill, and he trusted that it would give satisfaction to the country. Mr. BORTHWICK said that whatever might be the ' ultimate effect of machinery, it could not be denied that it inflicted a great evil in transitu which fell very heavily on the poor. With regard to the present Bill, it was about to become the law of the land, and he sincerely hoped that everything that would be now said respecting it would tend to make it work well, and for the benefit of those to whom it was to be applied. He was confident that the Right Hon. Secretary of State had acte.l throughout from the purest motives, and they must all feel indebted to him for the ability he had displayed, and the courtesy with which he had listened to the suggestions of those who had felt it their duty to make them. He was convinced that the machinery of the Act had been worked so as to produce an effect the reverse of what the authors of the Bill intended ; and he expressed a hope that the recent declaration of Sir J. Graham would in duce gentlemen more readily to act as guardians of the g poor t ß h i a l they had hi therto dn. He a two was set say,o believed as faras it i t was a went. —(Oh, oh.) But it was not extensive enough entirely to reform the evils of which they complained. But as far as it went it ameliorated the condition of the poor, and admitted at least the defects of the existing law. Mr. WAKLEY said he believed the magistrates throughout the country were generally aware that they had the power of ordering relief to old per sons, provided one magistrate would certify, of his own knowledge, that they required it. But what the magis trates complained of was, that they could not order the amount of relief or its quality. It might be given either in money or in food, and might be so stinted as to force the recipients into the house to save themselves from starvation. With respect to the Bill, he did not think the Government could complain of any unjust opposition having been offered to it, considering the late period of the session to which it had been delayed. The alterations that had been made in it would work well for the poor, and he should cordially vote for the third reading. He regretted that such observations as those that had fallen from the Hon. Member for Bridport should be made in that House. It was too late in the day now to exclaim against machinery ; the supposition that it destroyed human labour was a great fallacy. On the contrary, it created it to an enormous extent. The regulation of machinery was another question, and it should only be dealt with by wise and experienced heads.—(Hear, hear.) The principle of the law of 1834, the workhouse test, was now gone ; for the Right Hon. Gentleman told them that seven out of eight persons received out-door relief. He believed the new poor-law had been productive of very great disadvantage in one respect. It had been asserted in that House and other places, that there ought to be no poor law at all. He was afraid that this feeling had worked its way into various classes of society. The Right Hon. Gentleman said that if the Poor-law Commissioners did their duty, they would be the protectors of the poor. It was quite clear the poor needed protection somewhere, and he hoped they would receive it from the Poor-law Commissioners. The declarations as to there being no necessity for a poor-law had had a pernicious effect on the rate-payers and the guardians. He believed the ex officio guardians were in favour of far more strin gent regulations than the elected guardians.—(Hear, hear.)' The attempts made to reduce the salaries of medical officers and other persons had driven the Commissioners to resort to an expedient which he could not but call most preposterous. He begged the atten tion of the House for a moment to this matter ; it was the most curious in medical history. They had all heard the expression, no doubt, " No cure, no pay." With reference to the payment of medical men, the guardians had been so stingy and so niggardly, that, in order to give medical men an emolument somewhat approaching to their circumstances, the Commissioners had hit upon the expedient of giving extra pay under peculiar circumstances. Well, now, what were those peculiar circumstances ? " For the amputation of a leg, 5L ; for the amputation of an arm, 51. ; for the ampu tation of a foot, 51. ; for the amputation of a hand, 51.," &c. Thus, for cutting off a lamb, which was one of the simplest operations in surgery, and which took only a few minutes, the operator generally mot requiring to see the patient more than half a dozen times subse quently, the remuneration was 51. Now, for a bruise requiring the utmost care and skill to prevent mortification, and surgical attendance day as H e b e li eve d t h at , if t h e C omm i ss i on er s by day, perhap s , f or weeks and months what was the extra rem unerat i on ? Not one farthing. —(Hear, —(Hear, hear.) anything so preposterous ever heard of ? —(Hear,had the power o f g i ving adequate remunerat i on to medical men, they would never have adopted such a preposterous scale. No men made greater sacrifices for the sake of the poor than medical men, but, by the pre sent system, they were laid open to the most unjustifiable imputations. He knew an instance in which a man who had his feet frostbitten had been taken into a work house; the surgeon had recommended amputation, avid another surgeon who had been called in consultation, also recommended it; the man refused to submit, and Nature had since performed the operation, for a part of the feet had sloughed off. Now that surgeon had been exposed most unjustly to the imputation of having wished to perfArm a needless operation. He hoped the Commis sioners would, in everycase, insist on boards of guardians properly remunerating medical men, and then there would be no necessity for the introduction of such a novel system. He hoped, if other alterations should be found necessary, the Government would introduce a Bill next session, and the sensible portion of the public would be thankful to them for their exertions. Mr. BICK HAM ESCOTT thought it would be diffi cult to say whether the general effects of the law had done harm or good. In some unions in which it had reduced the rates, it had reclaimed a vagabond population, whilst in others the rates had been increased, and both rate payers and paupers were dissatisfied. He congratulated the Right Hon. Gentleman on having introduced such a useful scheme of education into the present Bill—a scheme which contained all the good but none of the evil of the education measure of last year. With re gard to out-door relief, as the subject was important, he would again state what he had previously said on the subject. As had been remarked by the Hon. Member for Finsbury, two justices possessed the power of order ing out-of-door relief to old people out of work. But the beard of guardians also possessed the power in cases of emergency. The Commissioners had excepted from their prohibitory order all cases of sudden and urgent necessity, leaving it entirely to the boards of guardians to determine what cases were cases of sudden and urgent necessity.—(Hear, hear.) It had been said that the law had caused the recent calamitous events in Suffolk and Norfolk; that the peasantry, goaded to desperation, had, out of a spirit of revenge,destroyed the property of their superiors—J:le did not believe that such a state of baleful feeling existed among the peasantry of this country. They knew that everywhere labour was the lot of the multitude, and that the lot of ease was that of a few only; and they also knew that attempts of this kind would only aggravate their sufferings, and end by bringing on them the vengeance of the law, for he trusted that the law would always be found strong enough to vindicate the rights of property. He was satisfied that they never would have an economical system for the relief of the poor until they returned to parochial divisions—(Hear) —or at least until they had smaller divisions than the unions now in existence ; and he would quote th e autho rity of W ellington in supp or t o f hi s argu ment. Learned Me m b er t h en quote d the opinion of the Duke o f Wellington, which w as t o th e effect that the present law was only fo r th e p ur p ose o f bringing back the l aw of the 43d of Elizab e th. He the The Duke o n. o f and begged again to express his sincere pleasure at the fe licitous termination of this Bill, and the improvements which it had undergone in Committee. Captain PECHELL asserted that the people of Brighton, however their opinions might have been mis represented, were entirely averse to the interference of the Poor-law Commissioners. Mr. BANKES said, notwithstanding the changes which had taken place in the poor-law during the pre sent session, it must not be considered that the question was finally settled. It would be open to every Hon. Member in future sessions to propose further modifica. tions. Among the defects of the present measure was the immense extent of some of the unions, which was in all respects disadvantageous and inconvenient to the poor, but in none more than the difficulty of obtaining medical aid, which the extent of these unions in most cases involved. He hoped it would be found prac ticable to limit the expense of the machinery of the system. With these observations, and congratulating the House on the improvement which had been made in the law, he would not trespass further on their attention. Mr. BARNARD regretted that the Right lion. Baronet had not conceded the power to two magistrates, which several Hon. Friends had so strongly pressed upon the Government. sir J. Q 11,41011 said the question of medical reli e f was under the Consideratioo of a Consrpittee . ; ewer Wojeb Lordesided. He didnot t o t ha t or Ashley pr mean say t the present system of medical relief was perfect, and would be happy to make such changes in the law on a future occasion as, with due consideration to economy, would afford greater accommodation to the poor, and more a , legdata re.;uin •rat;oll to ords.t.r,. tie el. deeply indebted to both sides of the House for the favourable manner in which they had received the Bill, and tendered every lion. Member his sincere acknow ledgments. With respect to the bastardy law, a very full discussion took place on the power of appeal, in Com mittee, and the Bill contained the almost unanimous opinion of that Committee. He would not trespass further on the attention of the House. The Bill was then read a third time and passed. Sir J. GRAHAM moved the third reading of the Turnpike Trusts Bill. After a few observations from Viscount EBRINGTON and Mr. CRIPPS, the Bill was read a third time. JOINT-STOCK BANKS REGULATION BILL. This Bill was read a third tithe, and passed. The Transfer of Licenses (Post-horses) Ireland Bill was read a third time and passed. GRAND JURY PRESENTMENTS (IRELAND) BILL. This Bill was read a third time, and passed, The Consolidated Fund (6,969,8561. 103. 3d.) Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. - MERCHANT SEAMEN'S BILL. On the motion for the order of the day being read for going into Committee on this Bill, A'lmiral DUNDAS said he thought this Bill ought to be postponed for a few days, as it had only been in the hands of Members twenty-four hours. Sir C. NAPIER thought this a most important Bill, and it ought, therefore, to be proceeded with at once. Lord INGESTRE thought the Bill ought to proceed. Mr. WAWN complained that the Bill was a Bill of Pains and Penalties on shipowners and seamen. After a few words from Mr. HUME, the order of the day was read, and, on the motion that the House do re solve itself into Committee, Mr. S. HERBERT said that, so far from this being a Bill of Pains and Penalties. it was a remission of penal ties. It was very common for British seamen in foreign ports to be very harshly dealt with, and it was to protect them against oppression and injustice that this Bill had been brought in. The Bill had been for a con siierable time before the public, and ample opportunity had been given for its consideration. Under these cir cumstances he hoped the House would support him in his endeavours to pass the Bill into Committee. If, however, Hon. Gentlemen should wish the Bill post poned he would consent to do so, and fix it for Monday at twelve o'clock. Captain PECHELL, after complimenting the Hon. Member for Wiltshire (Mr. S. Herbert) on his ability in filling the office of Secretary of the Admiralty, said he would support the principle of this Bill, but with many of its details he could not agree. Sir C. NAPIER hoped the Bill would positively be brought on on Monday. Mr. WAWN moved as an amendment that the Bill should be committed on Wednesday next. Mr. FORSTER seconded the amendment. Admiral DUNDAS said it would be impossible for him to be here on Monday. Sir CHARLES NAPIER trusted that the Secretary of the Admiralty would persevere in moving the Com mittee on Monday. Mr. HUNIE thought the Bill ought not to be com mitted till Wednesday, in order that they might have a proper Bill that would meet the sanction of all parties. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared— For Mr. Wawn's amendment Against it 9 36 - Majority against the amendment —27 On our admission to the gallery we found Captain PECHELL on his legs, trusting that the Hon. Gentleman would postpone the Committee till Wednesday. After a few observations from Mr. FOSTER, The Bill was ordered to be committed on Monday. The Woods and Forests Accounts Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. The Grand Canal (Ireland) Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. The South Sea Company Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed. The Sprits (Ireland) Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. The Fisheries (Ireland) Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. The Customs (New South Wales) Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. The Clerks to Attorneys Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. The Piccadilly Improvement Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be referred to the following Select Committee on Monday :--The Earl of Lincoln, Mr. Young, Captain Rous, Mr. Leader, Colonel Wood, Mr. Pringle, Mr. Masterman, Mr. Gaily Knight, Colonel Fox, Sir Charles Lemon, and five to be added by the Committee of Selection. The Militia Pay Bill went through Committee, and was ordered to be reported on Monday. PROTECTION TO PURCHASERS (IRELAND) BILL. The House then went into Committee on this Bill. Clauses from 1 to 33 were agreed to, without discussion. Mr. SHEIL rose to move the clause of which he had given notice, for the purpose of providing compensation to Mr. O'Dwyer, the Secondary of the Court of Exche quer (Ireland), whose rights will be affected by the operation of this Act. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he proposed to add a clause to the Bill, by which pro vision would be made for the proper compensation of this officer, whose salary, under the new Act, he pro posed to fix by the average receipt of fees during the last seven years. If the new Bill brought in any surplus above this amount, it would be paid into the Treasury. Mr. Shell did not press his clause, and the proposal of the Chancellor of the Exchequer was agreed to; and the clause having been added to the Bill, it went through Committee. The report was brought up, and ordered to be received on Monday. CRIMINAL JUSTICE (MIDDLESEX) BILL. The House having resumed, Sir J. GRAHAM moved the order of the day for receiving the report on this Bill. Mr. HUME asked the Right Hon. Baronet if he would lay on the table the correspondence that had taken place between him and the magistrates with respect to this measure ? He also wished to know to what expense the county would be bound by the Bill. Sir J. GRAHAM was sorry the Hon. Member was not in his place on the previous evening when the Bill was fully discussed, and when he read to the House the only letter of any importance he had addressed to the magistrates. Mr. HUME—I have seen it to-day. Sir J. GRAHAM—If the Hon. Member had seen it, he had seen the only document of any consequence that had passed between himself and the magistrates. He did intend to consider the past services of a gentleman who, upon the whole, had discharged his duties effi ciently, but he was not bound by pledge to that gentle man ; nor did be intend this measure to lead to the general establishment of any particular system of prison discipline, although he did intend to provide for the proper preservation of order in the prisons, and the pre vention of the contamination of some description of pri soners by the others. Mr. WILLIAMS said that the Right Hon. Gentle man seemed to have given more consideration to the correspondence that night than he had last night. Sir J. GRAHAM moved the omission of the clause which he had brought up last night respecting the sheriff, to which the Hon. Member for Finsbury took an exception, and, in his opinion, a well founded ob- jection. The motion was agreed to, and a, newelause was sub stituted in its place. The report was then received, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time at twelve o'clock on Monday. SLAUGHTERING HORSES BILL. The report on this Bill was brought up and received. The Bill was ordered to be read a third time on Monday. PARLIAMEN TAR Y DIVISIONS. (From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.) THURSDAY, JULY 25. POOR. LAW iILISIT BILL. Report further considered:—(clause ( And he it Enacted, That in the event of a married couple, or a single man or woman, posse,sing a cottage under the value of 5/. annual value, and having paid their Poor-rates, and being no longer able to work, they be eligible for out-door relief at the discre tion of the Guardians) brought up, and read a first time; Motion made, and Question put, " That the said Clause be now read a second time :" The House divided:— MINORITY-AYES, 28. Aldam, W. Duncombe, T. S Pechell, Captain Arundel, Lord Entwisle, William Poilington, Viscount Ashley, Lord Gore, Montague Round, John Baskerrille, T. B. M Hall, Sir Benjamin Sibthorp, Colonel Borth wick, Peter Hervey, Lord A. Spooner, Richard Brorhei ton, Joseph Hinde, J. H. William s , W. Bruges, W. H. L. Kemble, Henry Wodehouse, Edmond Colebrooke, Sir T. M'Geachy, F. A. Collett. John Masterman, John Dodd, George Netedegate, C. N. Douglas, J. S D. S. O'Brien, A. S TELLERS. Napier, Sir Charles Yorke. Redhead MAJORITY-NOES, 42. Allix, John Peter Fuller, A.;E. Mundy, E. Miller Polder°, Henry G. Gordon, Hon. W. Nichol', John Bruce, Lord E. Goulburn, Henry Norreys, Lord Byng, G. S. Greene, T. Peel, Jonathan Childers, J. W. Hawe s , B. Pringle, A. Clive, R. H. Henley, J. W. Somerset, Lord G. Corry, H. Hodgson, Richard Sutton, Hon. H. M Cripps, W. Howard, P. H. Thornhill, George Darner Colonel Jerniyn, Earl Trotter, John Darby, George knatchbull, Sir E. Tyrrell, Sir J. Denison, E. .r,,eckett Lennox, Lord A. Wawn, J. T. Dickinson, F. H. Lidd e l, H. F. Wortley, Hon. Jn. S Escott, Itickharn Macki non, W. A. TELLERS. Flower, Sir James Marsham, N iscount Young, John Fremantle, Sir T. Meynell, H. Baring, Henry Another Clause (Be it Enacted, That from and after the 31st day of March, 1845, the Commission appointed by an Act of 4 and 5 Willa IV., c. 76, intituled " An Act for the amend ment and better administration of the Laws relating to the Poor in England and Wales," shall cease and be abolished, and the several Unions and Union Workhouses that have been created or established for the maintenance of the Poor, under the aforesaid or any other Acts relating to the relief of the Poor in England and Wales, shall be exclusively and solely under the management, power, and control of the several Boards of Guardians, constituted and appointed for the management of each separate Union or Union Workhouse, without any interference, power, or control of the aforesaid Board of Commissioners) brought up, and read a first time ; Motion made, and Question put, " That the said Clause be now read a second time :" The House divided : MINORITY-AYES, 8. Baskerville, T. B. M Hull, Sir B. TBLLERS. Borthwick, Peter Hornby, John Sibthorp, Colonel Collett, John Newdegate, C. N. Spooner, Richard Fleetwood, Sir P. Pechell, ptain MAJORITY—NOES, 81. A'Court, Captain Fuller, Augustns E. Norreys, Lord Alford, Viscount Gardner, J. D. O'Brien, A. S. Allot, John Peter Gaskell, J. M. Parke, C. Wm. Arundel, Lord Gladstone, W. E. Peel, Sir Robert Baring, W. B. Gordon, Captain Peel. Jonathan Boldero, H George Goulburn, H. Plumridge, Captain Bowes, John Graham, Sir James Pringle, Alexander broadley, H. Greene, T. Rawdon, J. D. Brotherton, J. Harcourt, G. G. Round, John Bruce, Lord Ernest Hawes, B. Rushbrooke,Colonel Bruges, W. H. L. Henley, J. W. Sheppard, I'. Clerk, Sir George Herbert, Sidney Smith, R. Vernon Clive, Viscount Hervey, Lord Alfred Smythe, Hon. G. Clive, R. H. Hodgson, R. Somerset, Lord G, Corry, Henry Hope, Charles Stanley, Lord Courtenay, Lord Howard, P. H. Stewart, P. M. Cripps, W. Jermyn, Lord Strutt, Edward Darner, Hon. G. Kemble, Henry Sutton, Hon. H. M i' arby, George Knatchbull, Sir E. Ta rnhill, George Denison, E. Beckett Lascellev, W. S. Trench, Sir F. Dickinson, F. H. Lemon, Sir C. Trotter, John Duncan, George Lenno,, Lord A. Vernon, G. H. Egerton, W. T. Lincoln, Earl of Wawn, John T. Eliot, Lord M‘Geachy, F. A. Wodehouse, Hon. E Emlyn, Viscount Alarsham, Viscount Wortley, Hon. John I , ntwisle, William Meynell, H. TELLERS, Fellowes, Edward Milnes, R. M. Young, John Forster, Matthew Nicholl, J. Baring, H. Amendment proposed, page IS, line 42, after the word " final," to insert, " Provided always, That when the relief of the Poor has been hitherto administered in any parish or parishes by Guardians or Directors appointed under a local Act, and not by Overseers of the Poor, if such parish or parishes according to the last enumeration of the Population, published by authority of Parliament, contain more than 20,000 persons, it shall not be lawful to include such parish or 'wishes in any such district for the audit of accounts ; and in every such parish or parishes, provided such parish or parishes have not at present auditors elected under the provisions of an Act passed in the second year of the reign of King William the Fourth, intituled, An Act for the better regulation of Ves tries, and for the appointment of Auditors of Accounts in cer tain parishes of England and Wales,' the Ratepayers thereof shall within forty days after the passing of the Act proceed to elect in vestry some one person who shall thenceforward act as sole Auditor of all accounts whatsoever of any Guardians or Directors, Vestrymen, or other officers or hoards having any control over any part of the parochial expenditure of such parish or parishes relating to the Poor, and they shall fix a salary to be paid to such Auditor out of the Poor-rate of such parish or parishes; and such Auditor shall continue in office until he be dismissed by the Guardians or Directors; and every Auditor so appointed shall exercise and fulfil, with regard to all the accounts of such parish or parishes, all rights, powers, and duties, to be exercised and fulfilled by Auditors to be ap pointed under the authority of this Act ; Provided also, that the accounts of such parish or parishes shall be audited once at least in every six months (that is to say), after the 25th day of March and the to9th day of September, in every year, after due notice given in the manner hereinbefore provided :" Question put, " That those words be there inserted :" The House divided : MINORITY—AYES, 10. Borthwick, Peter Masterman, John Williams, W. Darby, George Moritz, G. F, Fleetwood, H. O'Brien, A. S afford TELLERS. Fuller. A. E. Spooner, Richard Pechell, Captain Henley, J. Warner Hervey, Lord A. MAJORITY-NOES, 52. Ainsworth, Peter Gaskell, James M. Pringle, Alexander Allix, John Peter Gladstone, W. E. Rice, E. R. Bagot, Hon. W. Goulburn, Henry Smith,Rt.Hon. T. B. C Baring, W. B. Graham, Sir James Somerset, Lord G. Barnard. E. G. Greer.e, T. Stanley, Lord Beckett, William Hamilton. C. J. Sutton, Hon. H M. Boldero, Henry G. Hawes, B. Thesiger, F. Botheld, Beriah Hodgson. R. Thornely, Thomas Brotherton, Joseph Knatchbull, Sir E. Trench, Sir Frederick Bruges, W. 11. L. Lincoln, F.arl of Trevor, Hon. R Clerk, Sir George Mackinnon, W. A. Trotter, J. Clive, R. H. Martin, C. W Vivian, J. H. Cockburn, Sir G. Meynell, Captain Wakley, Thomas . orry, Right Hon. H Morris, David Wawn, John Cripps, William Nicholl, John Dia, Q. Packe, C. W. TILLERS, Dickinson, F. H. Patten J. W e : Young, John Flower, Sir James Peel, Jonathan Lennox, Lord A. Fremantle, Sir T. Plumridge, Captain CRIMINAL JUSTICE (MIDDLESEX) BILL. (IN THE COMMITTEE.) Ninth Clause (That there shall be paid out of the Consoli dated Fund of Great Britain and Ireland the sum of , to such Assistant Barrister, for a yearly salary) : Amendment proposed, to leave out the words " out of the Consolidated Fund of Great Britain and Ireland :"--Question put, " That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the Clause :" The Committee divded : MAJORITY—AYES, 43. MINORITY—NOES, 8. Aldam, William Henley, J. W. TELLS 18 Collett, John Mi walk, Henry Broth erton, J. Duncan, George Morris, David Williams, W, Greenaway, Charles MEDICAL PROTECTION ASSEM BLY, EXETER-HALL, JULY 22, 1844. At a numerous and extraordinary meeting of the Com mittee, Mr. Carpue in the chair, the following resolu tions were unanimously adopted : That this Committee has viewed with horror and in dignation the foul insinuations which have been levelled against Mr. Wakley in the Commons' House of Parlia ment. That this Committee has seen with delight and admi ration the bold, open, and dignified manner in which the insinuation was met and answered by Mr. Wakley, and the Committee considers that the thanks of the whole medical profession are due to Sir H. Peel, and the Mem bers of the House of Commons, for the noble and gene rous protection which they afforded to Mr. Wakley on that occasion. That this Committee acknowledges with feelings of cordial satisfaction, the high-minded conduct of the ►hole of the political press towards Mr. Wakley on this occasion, writers of every party having nobly stepped forward to the rescue of a man whose public services and private worth might justly have shielded him from the calumnies of even interested slanderers. That after what has transpired, no attempt to revive the calumny against Mr. Wakley can ever be made ex cept by persons whose conduct and unworthy motives must subject them to the severest condemnation of all honourable minds. That the Committee gladly avail themselves of this opportunity to acknowledge, with gratitude, the many obligations which Mr. Wakley has conferred upon the members of the medical profession since the establish ment of the Lancet, the first periodical of the kind that appeared in this country, and which he has conducted with ability, independence, and an enduring devotion to the cause of medical reform, for nearly a quarter of a century. 'We beg also to refer, with pleasure, to the many abuses which that publication has been instru mental in removing from the endowed and chartered medical institutions of this country ; to the great good that has resulted to the public, and more especially to the poorer classes of society, by the salutary changes he has caused to be introduced into the public hos pitals of the empire ; and to the great advancement in the interests and prospects of the profession ge nerally, due to the conduct and indefatigable exertions of that gentleman. J. CONSTANTINE CARPUE, Chairman. H. HODSON RUGG, Hon. See. Before the meeting separated, a resolution was unani mously adopted, thanking Mr. H. H. Rugg for the handsome manner in which he had accepted the office of honorary secretary to the committee. OOLOGNE.—PubIic attention is just now strongly attracted towards a new preparation, which has been issued from the celebrated distillery of John Maria Farina, 23, Rhine-street, Cologne. This extraordinary liquid possesses curative and preventive virtues in an unexampled degree, and its use is universally recom mended by the faculty in Germany. Taken internally, it has, we are told, been found an almost certain remedy in cases of weak or dis ordered digestions, and in liver complaints; and, applied externally, it heals wounds and bruises with surprising effect, and forms, when diluted with water, a delightful wash for the complexion, ren dering the skin soft and smooth, healing all cutaneous affections, and giving a healthy blown to the counte nance. We understand that the inventor's attention has been directed to this preparation for a number of years, and we heartily congratulate him on the successful issue of his exertions. We are glad to find that the respect able firm of Voeleker and Co., of No. 1, Carpenter's buildings, London-wall, have been appointed agents for the sale of it in this country. UNEXAMPLED PEAT AT CRICKET.--..-At a match of cricket last week at Boated, between that club and the Bentley, Mr. Jolla Almond, Jun., one of the Bentley bowlers, lu4cl the. good fortune to put out the whole side of the Boxted gentlemen by his own hand, in the following manner:—viz. by bowling down seven wickets, two catches, and stumping one. This feat is, we believe, unparalleled in the annals of cricketing.—Chehnsiurd chroniek, THE FRENCH NAVY IN THE MEDITERRANEAN. oN THE COAST OF AFRICA. . 4 uffren, 90 guns, 780 meti—With theflag of the Prince do Joinville, quitted, on the morning of the 7th, the r , ads of Mers-el-Keber, near to Oran, and sailed in the direction of Gibraltar. Jemmapes, 100 guns, 890 men. Triton, 80 guns, 730 men. Belle Poule, 60 guns, 740 men. Labrador, steamer, 4 guns, 208 men, 450-horse power —Entered Oran on the 11th, from Djeernmaa-Ghazasuat; landed provisions, immediately transported to Lalla- Magrina. Asmodie, steamer, 12 guns, 230 men, 450-horse power. Orenque, steamer, 4 guns, 205 men, 450-horse power. Pluton, steamer, 7 guns, 180 men, 220-horse power-- Returned to Oran on the 10th, from Tangier. Gassendi, steamer, 10 guns, 180 men, 220-horse power. Veloce, steamer, 6 guns, 180 men, 220-horse power. envier, steamer, 6 guns, 205 men, 320-horse power. Phare, steamer, 6 guns, 150 men, 160-horse power. Castor, steamer, 2 guns, 120 men, 160-horse power-- This vessel had received orders to sail from Oran on the 6th for Toulon, but the account of the battle of the 3d having reached that port on the sth, she was detained, and is still in the roads. Etna, steamer, 2 guns, 120 men, 160-horse power— The Etna and the Tartare entered Oran on the 12th from Algiers, with two transports in tow, having on board 155 horses, belonging to the artillery. The Etna sailed on the evening of the 12th for Algiers. Tartare, steamer, 2 guns, 120 men, 160-horse power —See Etna. Euphrate, steamer, 2 guns, 120 men, 160-horse power. Chinaire steamer, 2 guns, 120 men, 160-horse power. This boat was in the roads of Mers-el-Keber on the sth, when the news of the battle of the 3d having been re ceived, she was on the Bth sent to Algiers, when, having taken on board a large quantity of ammunition, shot, &c., she sailed on the 9th for the west. Rubis, steamer, 2 guns, 60 men, 80-horse power. Var, steamer, 2 guns, 30 men, 50 horse power. MOteore steamer, 2 guns, 120 men, 160-horse power. Cocyte, steamer, 2 guns, 120 men, 160-horse power. Sphinx, steamer, 2 guns, 120 men, 160-horse power. Aube, transport, 600 tons. Provengale, transport, 600 tons. Perdrie, transport, 600 tons. This transport, laden with ammunition, &c., from Toulon, anchored in the roads of Mers-el-Keber on the 12th. VESSELS IN TOULON ROADS, READY TO PET TO SEA. Ocean, 126 guns, 860 men, with the flag of Admiral Percival Duchesne. Inflexible, 90 guns, 800 men. Neptune, 80 guns, 780 men. Marengo, 80 guns, 780 men. Legere, 2 guns, 80 men. Grondeur, steamer, 2 guns, 120 men, 160-horse power. Tenare, steamer, 2 guns, 120 men, 160-horse power. It is thought that this steamer requires some insignifi cant repairs. Acheron, steamer, 2 guns, 120 mea, 160-horse power, sailed from Algiers on the 15th, and anchored in Toulon toads on the night of the 18th. Souverein, 125 guns, 300 men now on board. Hercule, 100 guns, 200 men now on board. Diadem - le, 87 guns, 200 men now on board. VESSELS ON THE STOCKS IN TOULON HARBOUR. Fleurus. 100 guns, about three-quarters finished. Navarin, 100 guns, about three-quarters finished. Eylau, 100 guns, about three-quarters finished. Fontenoy, from 80 ti 90 guns, about three-quarters finished. Sceptre, from 80 to 90 guns, about half finished. Hector, from 80 to 90 guns, about half finished. Castiglione, from 80 to 90 guns, about one-third finished. Zenobie, from 90 to 100 guns, nearly finished. Sibylle, from 90 to 100 guns, nearly finished. Poursuivante, from 90 to 100 guns, nearly finished. Olivier, brig, 20 guns, three-fourths finished. Topazo, 6 guns, nearly finished. Castor, iron steam-boat, 220-horse power, not far ad vanced. THE NEW NIGHT-POACHING ACT.—This addi ditional landlord's law was passed on the 4th instant. It sets forth that the former Night-poaching Act (passed July 19, 1828), has been evaded and defeated by the destruction, by armed persons, at night, of game or rabbits, not upon inclosed land-:, but upon public roads and high ways, and other roads and paths leading through such lands, and also at the gates, outlets, and openings between such land and roads, highways and paths; and it then enacts that all the pains, punishments, and for • fcitures imposed upon persons by night unlawfully taking or destroying game or rabbits in any land, open or in closed, shall be applicable to and imposed upon any per son by night unlawfully taking or destroying any game or rabbits on any public road, highway, or path. Of fenders may be seized. This additional " landlord's law" is a further disgrace to the English statute-book. The great folks seem resolved to render themselves. thoroughly odious ; they have been marching in that direction for some time. PARK THEATRE.—This house closed for the season on Wednesday, and will re-open on the 26th August. During the recess the scenic and decorative artists will be employed on the opera of the Bohemian Girl, the most successful novelty produced in London during the past theatrical year. Macready plays a farewell en gagement in September, and will be succeeded by actors of eminence from the other side of the Atlantic. Mr. Simpson, the worthy and estimable manager of " Old Drury" for thirty years, has sailed for Europe to com plete arrangements for the next campaign, which, from the great improvement in every branch of business, promises to exceed in profit any season since the great one of '37, when the Woods played to upwards of 17,000 dollars in twelve consecutive nights.—From the New York Courier and Inquirer. THE WEATHER AND CROPS.—Saturday last was one of the most brilliant days of the season, and with a breeze just strong enough, with the thermometer at 70 in the shade, to waft from field to field the grateful odours of the clover and bean, and affording, we hope, only a prelude to a long track of weather of a similar description. Sunday, to be sure, was rainy, almost from morning to night, with the temperature down to 55 ; but Monday and Tuesday the weather w as aga i n clear and bright, and although the thermometer stood at 75 in the shade during the day, and fell only to 70 at ten o'clock on Tuesday night, the atmosphere was soft and delicious in the highest degree, and altogether devoid of the scorching fierceness with which so high a temperature is usually accompanied, and of a character as favourable for maturing the crops as the heart of man could desire. Yesterday again was rainy ; and, although the quan tity of moisture which has fallen in this neighbour.. hood within the last eight days has been considerable, it has has never been to excess, and its effect has been to benefit every description of crop ; and in so far as we have been able to learn, both from our own observation and from the reports of others, it can hardly be said to have occasioned even the most partial injury. Wheat and barley are rapidly filling, and early patches have already exchanged the verdant green of summer for the sombre brown which precedes the rich golden hue of autumn. The crops are from ten days to a fortnight more forward than at the corresponding period of last year, and if the weather be favourable, we shall have an early as well as an abundant harvest. It there be no check, we may expect to see the sickle at work within three weeks. Extensive failures have occurred amongst the potatoes, and numerous attempts have been made partially to remedy the loss, by sowing turnips in the intervals ; and we regret to say that in many in stances the latter will be the more valuable crop of the two.— Ca ledonian Mercury. SUICIDES IN LEICESTER.—The frequency of sui cides in this town by young people, would appear to fully justify the remark, that sympathy is a principal cause of them. It was but in April last, that we announced the death of a highly respectable young man, a druggist, by shooting himself with a pistol, in consequence of the receipt of a note from a young lady with whom, he had kept company, disclaiming all further ac quaintance with him. At the latter end of that month, a fine young woman poisoned herself by taking arsenic, simply because she had been told by some one that a young man, who had paid his addresses to her, was about to be married to another. A few weeks after that, another girl took a dose of arsenic from a somewhat similar cause, and nar rowly escaped with her life. On Saturday week a girl who worked in Messrs. Bedell's factory, put an end to her existence under peculiarly distressing circumstances. Her namewas Matilda Jones, and having kept company with a youth named George Potter, carpenter and joiner, but nut yet out of his apprenticeship, for some months, she be came pregnant ; on the discovery of which by the girl's parents it was agreed the couple should be mar ried, Potter expressing his perfect willingness to make the girl his wife. 'The banns were published, the ring was purchased, and Monday, the 15th instant, was fixed for the wedding. Alas ! on that very day the poor girl was a corpse. 'The mother of the youth, hear ing of the intended union on the Saturday previous, ex pressed her intention of throwing every obstacle in the way, and threatened to forbid the banns the next day (Sunday); declaring she would sooner see her soa hanged than that the match should take place. The girl was, wrought to a dreadful state of excitement, and, having ing gone up stairs some time after her intended mother in-law's departure, took a dose of arsenic, which was kept on the premises for the purpose of destroying ver min ; but as she declared she should get better, having taken various remedies administered by her parents, they, wishing to avoid additional exposure and dis grace, neglected to send for medical assistance, until a great and sudden change appeared in their child on the Monday morning, and it was too late. She died in a few minutes after the arrival of the medical officer, and at about the time when, in all probability, bad the course of true love run smoothly, the marriage cere mony would have been performed. there is now another added to the above dismal catalogue. A girl named. Mary King, aged 18, of a somewhat profligate character, the daughter of a widow living in the Wharf-street, a. low part of the town, having been out all Monday night until three o'clock the next morning, was reproved by her mother for her conduct, and a fierce quarrel arose between them, the daughter declaring that her mother should have reason to remember it before the day was over. She sat down for a short time, but went out with • "her work (gloves) in her apron, apparently to her employers, but really to a druggist's where she purchased twopenny. worth of arsenic on pretence of cleansing the bedsteai ; went to a neighbour's house, and drink it off- i in a cup of water. She died in abouthur:hours afte,tyiards. An. inquest wes held the next .evening, Fl4.a vesdict to the ea-ct that she died from the eftc.ts,Pf.PaoOP adminis tered by herself with .an duteut.te..eleatrittlyellfe was re turned, She was buried the same evening, and although it was nearly twelve o'elook at niglit,;.there were seines thousands of people assembled to witness her interatimt. PRIVY COUNCIL BILL. The House resolved itself into Committee on this Bill. Clauses Ito 8 were agreed to. Mr. ELPHINSTONE moved the following clause : " And be it enacted, that in all cases of appeal to her Majesty in Council from ecclesiastical courts, and from admiralty or vice-admiralty courts, which have been, now are, or may hereafter be depending, in which any person duly monished, or cited, or requested to comply with any lawful order or decree of her Majesty in Coun cil, or of the - " Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, or their surrogates, made before or after the passing of this Act, shall have neglected or refused, or shall neglect or refuse, to pay obedience to such lawful order or decree, or shall have committed or shall commit any contempt of the process under the seal of her Majesty in ecclesias tical and maritime causes, it shall be lawful for the said Judicial Committee or their surrogates to pronounce such person to be contumacious and in con tempt, and after he shall have been so pro nounced contumacious and in contempt, to cause pro cess of sequestration to issue under the said seal of her Majesty against the real and personal estate, goods, chattels, and effects, wheresoever lying, within the domi nions of her Majesty, of the person against or upon whom such order or decree shall have been made, in order to enforce obedience to the same, and payment of the ex penses attending such sequestration, and all proceedings consequent thereon, and to make such further order in respect of, or consequent on, such sequestration, and in respect to such real and personal estate, goods, chattels, and effects sequestrated thereby, as may be necessary ;or for payment of money arising from the same to the per son to whom the same may be due, or into the registry of the High Court of Admiralty and Appeals, for the benefit of those who may be ultimately entitled thereto." Sir J. GRAHAM said that he had great doubts whe ther the Committee could pass the clause without the consent of the Crown, as it would interfere with the pre rogative of the Crown. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that he should oppose the clause. Mr. AGLIONBY supported the clause. He appre hended that the consent of the Crown was not necessary, and if it were, it might be obtained through the Govern ment. Ile suggested, however, that the clause should be withdrawn, and brought up again on the report. The clause was then postponed. The Chairman reported progress, the House re sumed, and the report was ordered to be brought up on Monday next. The House then adjourned at a Quarter -past Nino. PRESENTS FROM PRINCE ALBERT TO THE EMPE ROR or RUSSlA.—Thursday the schooner Lord Coke, Captain Race, sailed from the St. katharine's Dock for St. Peters burgh. She carries out the following live stock, presents from his Royal Highness Vrince 41411 tcl 14.1 Imporial Ma. jestx Eitipew. of TOsoa:—A•beautiful Yorkshire stallion, -Valued at 600'guineas a splendid Durham bull, valued at 300, and a pure Leicester ram. 1