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IRELAND, STATE TR I A I,S. FOUL TH DAY-BY EXPRESS. (PROM OUR OWN REPORTERS.) DUBLIN, THURSDAY, JAN. 18. COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH. e F QUF N DANIEL O'CONNELL. AND OTHERS. • icinity of the I our Courts presented a busy e-e,Pian,c_this morning, it being generaly known that the sie "'oee on the part of the prosecution would be corn n r eed by the examination of Mr. F. Bond Hughes. e o 'ugh persons are only admitted to the .body of the urt b. a , I ticket, so that more than a certain number e a ol"t net in, the Rotunda is daily crowded with per no obtain some knowledge of what is going on t ' n from those a ho occasionally pass in and out. 1 Court sat p rec i se ly a t ten o'clock. The traversers ),,,„.1" eto punct ua l atten d ance . Th e j ur y having been called 0, er, and haring answered to their names, deg he Clerk o f the Crown—Direct the crier to call Fre ‘,ek Bond Hughes. entered the Court with a large bu n dl e of p ea r r " antler his arm, and ascended . the table. His ap iwor4nee in Court excited much c wn, uriosity. Having been by the Cl er k o f the Cro he proceeded to give evidence. %,)/ ' I CILM-GENER.4.I.—Mat is your name? Witness ~ pre derick Bond Hughes. y u o u are a short-hand writer? Witness—Yes, I am. 1 5 , 1 .,.. 1 1 have been constantly in the habit of reporting ? ti7 1 , 118 " -- . Yes, I have been reporting for the last seven /I.llyr eighteen years. fsp o °ll different occasions ? Witness—Yes, upon dif• et occasions. ° You remember having come over to this country in P i pmber l ast ? Wi tness —Yes, I do. al what day did y ou arrive ? Witness — On the 29 th September — on the 30th, I mean. o I „ 11 what day of the week ? Witness—On Saturday. er was in Ireland before. I recollect the following d a c"ee Ist of October. I went to Mullaghmast on that 0 ,- 4' L I think I arrived there about half-past twelve ab out ()c % There were a great many persons assembled Is 4 the grounds when I got there—a large number. II tlid think about thirty or forty thousand persons, as te e /It 48 , I can guess. I could not see over the whole ex p(a the ground. I saw persons coming from different h o lt with banners. If you will allow me to refer to my -.2' 4 ti t shall tell you the inscriptions I took on that occasio* P °to or memorandum of what passed ; that is., of the f or eehes. I have it here. I saw the inscriptions. Hurra the Repeal 1" was one of them. " A Nation of otthtlee_killions is too strong to be dragged at the . tail of . any The in front of the platform was an inscription, C o e ' Man who commits a Crime is an Enemy to this ant J " Ireland must be a Nation." There were personsseve th in and about the platform, with papers round se ,P . hats, and staves in their hands ; there was an in tLeipti°n on te aper, " O'Connell's Police." I kno t ravtrser, h D p aniel s O'Connell. I see him in Court.w lui !re Mr. O'C onne ll w h o sat at th e t a bl e , immediately th oier the witness's chair, rose and bowed with a smile to biee Witness.] Mr. O'Connell arrived at the place of It: t ing about two o'clock. lam not aware that I saw " Joh of th n Connell on that occasion. There were some lia r e gentlemen present whose names I learned, Mr. ' n u Dr. Gray, I think I should recollect Mr. Ray Mr e Witness here turned to the traverser's box in which 1.4„ /Oen J end Dr. Gray sat and identified both gentle ro„,--•? I know Mr. Thomas Steele. I saw him at that iy a -et "lg• I see him now in Court. Mr. O'Connell teas dressed that day in a sort of velvet robe, Anse or claret colour. Some gentleman pro- T h _a that Mr. O'Connell should take the chair. motion was put and carried. Mr. O'Connell Z a t ress ed the meet i ng on his taking the chair ; I took th e e 3 of what Mr. O'Connell said upon that occasion to hay best of my ability. I took my notes in short - hand. e both the transcript and the original notes here (a eUZParcel whi c h l ay b e f ore the Clerk of the Crown was t 'l%llO, and several neatly bound boots were taken ,robe'one of which was handed to the witness). reo SOL ICITOR - GENERAL then desired the witness t o cee l e t t ll the jury what Mr. O'Connell said, which he pro- Chi e f ",°. When he came to a particular passage the did as fo u l a i t lee desired him to read it over again, which he of law, I;`,,"'s ,—" I admit that the union has the force ells() the it is supported by the policeman's trun but i n C t e soldier's bayonet, and the horseman's sword ; e is not supported by constitutional law." Pag:l• E r F JUs TinE—What is the number of that paper or , „fly Lord, from fr w o h rn ich N y o. o l u ., a b r o e ok r . eading ? Witness—Page 5, aoj t hewi tness continued to read Mr. O'Connell's speech elliking the c h a i r. When t h e w it n ess had read as far • v ti Passage, " and take it from me that the union is Th e s the wished e speech. 'GENERAL said that if the traversers of lit examine him as to the other portions HATcHELL, Q.C., said it would be better to read i l i lvhol e o f i t, as there were port i ons o f i t st ill un read, e h might be important on the cross-examination. Witness—The whole of the speech? p.Mr• HATCHELL—Yes ; there are passages here and nere interspersed that we think most material to the traversers, 0 . , Witness then proceeded to read the remainder of Mr. ' `sonnell , s speech at the meeting at Mullaghmast. I beard resolutions proposed at that meeting. The first resolution was proposed by Mr. Aylmer, see page 313. I heard the second resolution, which was proposed by Joseph Becket, of Kilkenny, and seconded by Alderman lieshan; it was as follows, " W e , the g e ntry, clergy, freeholders, and other inhabitants of the province of Leinster, here assembled, do declare, in the face of Hea ven and our country, that no power on earth save the Queen, Lords, and Commons of Ireland, can make laws for Ireland." That resolution was put from the chair and carried. SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Who was the chairman?—Mr. O'Connell was. The resolution was carried. After that I saw some gentlemen come forward and present ISIr. O'Connell with a velvet cap. It was a round velvet c ap. It was presented to Mr. O'Connell by Mr. O'Cal laghan. Mr. O'Callaghan said he was deputed by the Clnmittee ' whose names were attached to the address, I present him (Mr. O'Connell) with the national cap. ' n r. O'Callaghan also presented an address to Mr. "'Connell (witness read the address). Mr. O'Connell—Who is that signed by?—By Mr. Vhite and other gentlemen. ,SOLICITOR-GENERAL—What was done with the cap ' t iter that ?—lt was aced on the head of Mr. O'Connell. Did he th en say anything ?—Yes ; he said he ac ed the g ift w ith p r ide and pleasure. The witness W"M tl ent On to read the observations of Mr. OConnell on the occasion. There was another resolution ' read at that m eeting. , SO LICITOR-GENERAL—Look to page 46 of your re -1,..,t• Witn ess —l t i s before me. find ooL ierroa-GENERAL—Read the resolution which you ,tbere. efe 'ne witness r ea d the resolution, which was to the Im p er ial that a p et i t i on b e pre p are d and, presented to the Parliament for a repeal of the union. eap,. ; °Lt errOa• GENERAL—Was that resolution put and ed ? Witness—lt was. 4v OLI CITOR-GENERAL—Look to page 49 of your report, ;Ll:ead the resolution contained in it. thank s read the resolution, which was a vote of n i , v , lll ss to, and of confidence in, Mr. O'Connell. 1 5 fitness in continuation—That resolution was not put eLN. O'Connell, but by a gentleman who took the ththe r, after him. The meeting was held in open air at e l ath of Alullaghmast. I saw several gentlemen 0,,e that day. (lie pointed out and identified Mr. John n`J°:lnell, Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Steele. He looked about, e a rently fur Mr. Barrett, but that gentleman was not Court. lie then identified Dr. Gray and Mr. of S thl iC ll'Olt-GENERAL—Did you know the persons traversers before that day ? fitness —No, I did not. I knew the persons of J o , Daniel O'C onnell and Mr. John O ' Connell. Mr. hi" O'Connell was in the chair after dinner. I heard re•" bpeab a f ter dinner when proposing the toast " The ar*" (He read the speech). I heard several letters of Caste was one read from Mr. Thomas Ffrench, the , e Ffrench. (He read the letter). It was dated %.I,t both Septemh'r. There wa.s a gentleman prc , . ' 4 at the dinnr‘r who, I was told, was Mr. Barrett. repor Percon sp o k e ca th a t occas i on . (He then read a of the speech made by Mr. Barrett). banTo s LICITOR- GENERAL— Mr. O'Connell spoke at the ! m a l let This followed the meetin eg. (Rferred to his a page 27.) Mr. O'Connell then said—This was „ 11 : 4 0 ,5t delightf u l (lay for him, a day full of consolation s i "Pe• How glad h e was t o he at M u ll ag htuast. \y r : OConnell—Speak a little louder. of ..!tness continued to read from his notes the speech v r a l l% O'Connell to the part, " We had not one So ('lgn of her family who was not a decided enemy of ei an d eis A_ lr. llATettru., Q. C.—You have omitted the refer w:selse fitness se_St:elelne. had not a Sovereign save he " cif ' who d r not a decided enemy of Ireland." O'Connell—Read correctly, Mr. Hughes. tljeir.tness continued—" She was the first sovereign of ' u lluuse a Brunswick that treated this unfortunate ntry with justice, and it is afflicting to think that her a'aituistry are so base and perfidious, so paltry and selfish, til_t,o endeavour to obtain advantages for themselves and i n e'r party at the expense of the high and chivalrous feel boreof exalted allegiance which the people of Ireland till t ' 4 3'e, and still bear, to their Queen." Witness read came to say, `•a proof that each man— geitness—l might have misunderstood him. Press Or s” oce preded to read to the words " present op . /11% F ITZGIBBON, Q.C.—Oppressors? Portion 'less continued — And w hen be came to that , k of th e speech i n which Mr. O'Connell spoke of _ hostility of the Minister to Ireland, considerable ex ; zent w as manifested in Court, at the different allu- Q i and expressions of the Hon. Gentleman. The fol. lowing Passage in reference to the Doke of Wellington, what iv l ed with great laughter. " The poor old Duke! To be sure he was born in therhe d e_ h : a b s besianyg born in n i ina stable does not make a man The witne ss cont i nue d to rea d to t h e c l ose o f 9.Ze S OLICITOR-GENERAL—Tarn when the ex am i nat i on was resume d. 8:". OLICITOR-GENERAL--TUTII tO pages 6,7, and see if the name of Mr. Ray is mentioned there. • Witness—yea, it is there. The Chairman having r of the " R epeal Association, " called upon la toast.litth; oa to answer it. Mr. Ray rose and spoke to „_ The r.switness here read Mr. Ray's speech, and then at ection-r of the Solicitor-General, turning to 7,8, 9, diamisse ay 's speech in answer to the toast—" The a mitgistrates, and Repeal Arbitrators." kon continued—l remember attending a meet- •aell e6 6s s ligh rhicu ad LIP plea . , ~$ ce P''' ,o the th e es' , to , ijo g one five e 1:01 Ovititer ing at the Corn Exchange the day after the meeting at : that occasion by the Rev. Mr. Tyrrell, and all the reso- Mullaghmast ; it was on the 2d October ' • I got admis- 1 lutions passed at the meeting , which were t he same as sion there by having stated that I intended to report; on those passed at Mullaghmast. the following day I obtained a ticket of admission from Witness—l see page 30 of my notes. Mr. Ray; the words upon the ticket were, " Admit the SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Do you find an entry there of bearer, Mr. Hughes, of the press, to all our meetings ; I anything that was said or done by Mr. Duffy at that at the time I got that ticket I said, "You had better meeting ?—Yes, he said I have to hand in money from mention that cam the reporter for the Go vernment ;" , Mr. blank, of blank parish, and blank county. I mean Mr. Ray said, " No, that will be sufficient, it will admit ' by blank I could not catch the name or residence of the you ; the Conciliation Hall will be open soon, and we person. will have a different place then for yourself ;" it was un- SoLlelToß-GENERAL—Look at page 35, and see if derstood at Mullaghmast that I was the Government 1 Mr. Ray took any part in the proceedings at the meeting reporter. At the conclusion of Mr. O'Connell's opening ion the 3d of October ? Yes, he said it was essentially speech there he stated that he understood there was a i necessary that every accommodation should be afforded gentleman there on behalf of th e Government. I then to the press, and the passage to their table kept free ;if got up, and said that 1 attended on behalf of the Go- the reporters were inconvenienced they cannot perform vernment to report the proceedings. Mr. O'Connell then their duty, and the public will be disappointed. said that on former occasions, when Government report- The Sommott-GENERAL—Look at page 35, and read ers had attended, he had afforded them every facility, what Mr. O'Connell said upon that occasion? and furnished them with documents, ac., and that he Witness read what Mr. O'Connell said; which was to should be happy to afford the same accommodation to the effect that the passages should be kept clear, and that me. I believe it was also through Mr. O'Connell that I Mr. Ray should have the passage clear, on account of received a ticket for the banquet. (Witness here idea- the manifold letters. titled Mr. Barrett as one of the persons who attended 1 The SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Look at page 52, and see the meeting at Mullaghmast.) 1 if any money was handed in by 1)r. Gray. On the 2d of October, did you take notes of what oc- 1 Witness—Yes; I have a memorandum to that effect ; curred at a meeting of the Association at the Corn Ex- and there were several sums handed in by him; I was change?—l was not there at the commencement. never p resent at an y meeting of the Association when AbJuryman here withdrew. The Solicitor-General applications were made for newspapers. not having observed it, was apprised of the fact by the At this period the Court and jury retired for a few Court, and the examination was suspended. minutes, and the witness being told by M r. Hatchell that The Foreman of the Jury complained that they ha d he might retire from the witness-box, did so. difficulty in hearing. After the lapse of about fifteen minutes, the Court The SOLICITOR-GENERAL desired the witness to speak again sat, and Mr; Hughes commenced reading a speech louder. delivered on the 9th of October, by a Mr. Green, of Mr. O'Connell also begged the Foreman of the Jury Liverpool, at Calvert's Theatre, Dublin. He (Mr. to desire the witness to speak louder in giving . his evi- Green) professed to represent 400 Repeaters enrolled in dance, as he occasionally sunk his voice. Liverpool. Mr. FORD said it would be well if the Court woul d re- Mr. HATcRET.T., Q.C., cross-examinedithe witness on move that parcel of barristers from the Court who were behalf of the traversers—l am not a reporter for the getting phthisical and coughing.—(Laughter.) public press. My business is that of a short-hand The SOLICITOR-GENERAL then resumed the examine- writer ; I never was connected with a journal. I have tion, desiring the witness to speak as loud as he could been reporting in England, and from an early period of and slowly. Have you got the notes of the meeting at my life have been pursuing that profession. I was par the Corn Exchange of the 2d October ?—I have. ticularly employed by the Government to come over to Do you find there a speech of Mr. O'Connell, deli- Ireland, and act according to directions, but not to report vered after a letter from Limerick had been read by Mr. any particular meetings. I had with me a letter addressed Ray ?—I do. Witness then referred to his notes and to the Attorney-General. I waited on him on my arrival, read the speech of Mr. O'Connell on that occasion, who but he was not at home, and I was directed to Mr. Brew referred to a paragraph that had appeared in the papers, ster. This was Saturday night, Sept. 30. The meeting at headed " Military organisation at Clontarf," and stated Mullaghmast took place next day. I went there, accom that though a good quiz it never ought to have been panied by ass assistant in a fly-boat. I got there about printed ;he hoped the Government wou ld take no notice twelve o'clock. I had no person with me but my as of it, an pointed out that some arrangements as to the sistant from London, who was there for the purpose of horsemen and carriages was absolutely necessary to pre- transcribing my notes. He is not learning the business vent confusion among so great a number. —he is a good reporter. He might occasionally take NOW turn to the notes of what occurred at the meet- notes, but not to assist me. His name is Leatham. He ing of the 3d of October; but before we go to that, is now in Ireland. We came over from and returned to state which of the traversers were present at the meeting England together. Leatham came over with me after my of the 2d of October ?—Mr. O'Connell and Mr. Ray. first return, at the time I was sworn before the grand Was Mr. Steele there ? — He was. j ur y . He also came over with me on the present occa- Which of them were present at the meeting of the sion. He came over, I suppose, to be examined. Ile 3d f—Mr. O'Connell, Mr. J. O'Connell, Mr. Duffy, took some notes •of the proceedings, and transcribed 1 Mr. Ray, Mr. Steele, the Rev. Mr. Tierney, and Dr. some portions of them. No other person came over as Gray. a witness. We do not belong to Mr. Gurney's office. Do you see Mr. Duffy in Court ?—I do. When we arrived at Mullaghmast there were a few And the Rev. Mr. Tierney ?—I do. on the ground. We were there about three quarters Look at page 13 of your notes, and state whether a of an hour before the arrival of Mr. O'Connell. letter was read from Loughrea ?—I must state that all We got on the platform, and had a good view of the the letters and papers in my notes are not copies of the meeting. Parties came on the ground playing music. I originals. I had applied to Mr. Ray for them, but had heard nothing about their being temperance bands, nor been told that I could not obtain them. Having also been am I certain they were from anything I saw. I dare say told that the copies printed in the papers were authentic, some of them were temperance bands, but cannot say. I I copied them. can form no such opinion ; all I can say is that there Who told you they were authentic ?—ln the first in- were bands there, and I think one or two of them had stance I applied to Mr. Ray at Mullaghmast, for copies temperance inscriptions on them. Never attended any of the resolutions passed at the meeting, and when I saw county meetings. I have attended public meetings at Dr. Gray he appeared to have some reluctance to give Manchester, which are the only meetings I had ever them. attended. At that at Mullaghmast there was a great Mr. FITZGIBBON—I beg your p ardon, p lease state number of women and children in the crowd. The exactly what Dr. Gray said. movement was one of a perfectly peaceable character. The CHIEF JUSTICE—When did you see him first ? Did not perceive anyueen pronenes name s to riot or di e stu it rbance. Several days a fterwards. Whenever the Q's was mentioned was Mr. FITZGIBBON—State exactly what Dr. Gray said ? received with the loudest applause. After Mr. —Dr. Gray told me he could not find the resolutions that O'Connell's arrival I heard it stated that I was on were passed at the Mullaglimast meeting. I did not the platform as the Government reporter. On Mr. procure them subsequ entl y . Dr. Gray told me expressly O'Connell asking whether any gentleman was pre that he could not find them. I told him I had applied sent as a reporter on the part of the Government, to him, because Mr. O'Connell had promised them to I stated the object of my attendance, and every possible me, and that I wished him to communicate with Mr. accommodation was immediately afforded me. Ido not O'Connell on the subject. He replied he would take think Mr. O'Connell shook hands with me. I received an hour to consider, and that he would write me a a ticket for the banquet. I mentioned that Mr. Letham note at the end of that. period stating what his deter- was my assistant. A very great number of persons of urination was. I said, " Oh, no ;do not write to me, respectable appearance were present at the banquet. It you had better see Mr. O'Connell." I was then leaving took place at about five o'clock, and terminated at nine. the room, and as we were going out of the door by The same order and regularity was preserved at the din the staircase of the Corn Exchange, O'Connell was nor as at the meeting. coming up, and I said, " Oh, here is Mr. O'Connell; From what you kuow of public meetings, do you now, Dr. Gray, will you speak to him ?" Mr. O'Con- think it necessary that persons should be appointed to nell addressed inc, and said, " Well, Mr. Hughes, are preserve order?—l think that parties on the platform you here for documents ?" or something to that effect. would have been much incommoded at the meeting at I think that that is nearly what he said. I answered Mullaghmast had there not been persons present to pre that I had applied to Dr. Gray for the resolutions vent the people getting on. passed at Mullaghmast, and that he had told me he could As a fair man, I ask you, would you not consider it an not find them. influential mode of procuring order, peace, and regu- Mr. FITZGIBBON—You are ;quite certain that Dr. larity, they having such persons present as those whom Gray used those words ? If you are not certain do not Mr. O'Connell appointed ?—I think it very proper that swear it ? Witness—Yes, lam pretty certain he said such persons should be present. The Queen's health that. was given at the dinner, and was received with very SoLIciToR-GENERAL—Go on and state what next great applause. The health of Prince Albert was also happened. given by the chairman, Mr. John O'Connell, and was re- Witness—Dr. Gray then took Mr. O'Connell aside ceived in the same manner. Before the loyal toasts were into a room; shortly afterwards Dr. Gray came out. On given, the letters apologising fornon-attendance were read. his coming out I asked him, " May I have the documents, Have some of them with me. Took no short-hand note or do you refuse them?" He replied, " Oh, no, Ido not of them, as documents are generally furnished to the re refuse th e m ;I do not mean any disrespect to you, but porter. The next letter I have is from the Right Rev. I can't lay my hands on them." And he further John Cantwell, expressing his deep regret for not added, "I do not think I should waste my time in being able to attend. Have not the letter fro m writing those out for Sir Robert Peel." I replied that the Right Rev. James Keatinge. I was promised "I had nothing to do with Sir Robert Peel, and that I copies of the letters that should be read. When I ap was applying to him in my character as a short-hand plied afterwards at the office, could not get them. Was writer for those documents." He thereupon replied, referred to the newspaper publications as authentic. " Oh, you may take them from the newspapers ' • they Hold in my hand a Freeman's Journal of the 2 d of are authentic." On the following day I was in the Corn- October. I see a letter from Dr. Keatin e. To the Exchange, and Mr. O'Connell was there. I addressed best of my belief , that letter it n:as i l- a e v a e d at t he g meeting. him, and told him that Dr. Gray had refused to give me Have no note of , my own of r being 2 h o a n Boylan, u m r e a o d f a not e of d Lord copies of the resolutions, but told me they were authentic Ffrench's letter bei ng read. Have a two Have a l l e s t o te a rs note fr o o f m a le C tt a e s r tle sign F ed fre b nch n m e i as they appeared it the newspapers. He replied,' Yes, yes, they are authentic." A letter from Loughrea was read at the meeting of the Association on the 3d of Oct. of Hilltown-house. When I was refu y sed copies ne of the newspapers. Loughrea, got this copy of a letter from Mr. Ra y ; it is dated let ters at the office, I took them from the wpaper Loughrea, Oct. 2, 1844, and was read at the meetin g of There was a letter from Sir Colman O'Lo hl read s .. the Association on the 3 d of Oct. (The witness then Did not p a y much attention to the letters, a s I e:a s pro read the letter, which inclose d 141. as the subscri p tion mised co p ies. Have anote of a motto which was inscribed of 14 of the Town Commissioners, and was signed Patrick u pon a banner, o,That a nation of-, eight millions is too Skerrett, chairman, Wm. IPCarthy, secretary.) It was great to be dragged at. the tail of another nation." Mr. O'Connell read that letter. Mr. HATenuiso—Do you not know that was taken SOLICITOR-GENERAL —Did Mr. O'Connell make any from the Morning Chronicle ?-013, by no means. I did observation immediately after reading the concluding not take it from the Chronicle. . . , passage " that they were determined to remove two or Do you ever read that paper?—l do not.—(Great three recusants from the body with all possible dispatch, laughter.) when the opportunity offered ? Witness—Yes ;he said I suppose you only read the Standard ?—(Laughter.) they were right to turn out those who would not become —I - read neither. Having to attend Committees of the Repeaters. House of Commons, I do not read many newspapers. Judge PERRIN—Is that letter addressed to any one ? Did you ever attend a trades' meeting?—No. —Mr. O'Connell said " I received this letter this Were you ever a member of any institution in England morning." for the fostering and encouraging of native manufac- Judge PERRIN—Is it addressed to anybody ? Wit- tures!—No. ness (after again looking at the dccument)—This is a Have you heard of the repeal cap, manufactured by copy, and there is no address on it to any.—(The wit- Mr. White, of Thomas-street? —I have. ness then went on reading Mr. O'Connell's observations Did you go there to fit yourself with one?-1 did not. in moving that the letter be inserted on the minutes, and Did you ever hear what the cost of one would be ? the thanks of the Association conveyed to the writer, —No. and the other worthy gentlemen named therein.) Mr. Do you understand anyt hin g of the nature of puffing? Steele was present at that meeting. He said he rose —I do not. to second the motion of the Liberator ; that he had ex- Don't you know the distinction between the puff direct pressed some very strong opinions on the Loughrea 1 and the puff indirect? — No. meeting ; that he considred that meeting more im- ; Don't you think it would be a ve r y g ood wa y to p uff portant tan that at. Mullaghmast, where ! a cap or a coat to mention the name of the maker at a " Behemoth, biggest born of earth, r public meeting 7—No doubt of it.—(Laughter.) Upheaved its vastness. 1 You would have no objection to encourage native ' manufactures in any way you could? Not the slightest. (Sensation throughout the Court.) Dr. Gray was at that You see no great harm in that ?—No. meeting ;be read the names of certain persons, whom lie If Mr. White could have made a cap to fit you, would moved should be appointed arbitrators ; Mr. O'Connell you have worn it?—l did not wear it. seconded the motion, and it was carr i e d. Dr. Gra y then Did you handle the cap at all?—I did not, but I ad said he had a short report fronalhe Arbitration Cora- mired it.—(Laughter.) mittee to present, and he had to move that some gentle- Would it not be an excellent travelling-cap to go about men be appointed arbitrators, the first of whom was a with in the packet? — (Laughter.) gentleman who was recommended by no less than eight , Do you not know that gentlemen who visit Paris often millions of people. lie was known by the name of the ' come back with the tricoloured Republican cap as a com- Liberator, and he moved that he be appointed a r b itrator fortable cap to sleep in? — l know they bring caps home for the city of Dublin, which motion was seconded and with them sometimes. carried, and Mr. O'Connell said that he accept ed the Now you, as a man of the world, did not think there office, and would devote one day in the week to the duties was any treason in that cap ?—I formed no opinion. of it, with the other gentlemen who were named. Dr. Were you patriotic enough to buy anything to further Gray, at that meeting, read a list of arbitrators that were - s • h f - Irish manu actures?—l did.—(Laughter.) admitted, many of whom were gentlemen who had been I . 3 /• • , jar your term' ., uprosc 3 ,, m ) , og It , ontun,.. 1,,T . dismissed Nora the cotornissioa of the peace. 0 ;• ,,,, r !aughter ) SOLICITOR•G'}:NI;RAL—Did Mr. O'Connell re..,10 , ;••ly It ‘ , ns ~ .i.p..4i Rt1 , 5;0,.ge ihen liw you were broti , , , iit observations respecting that ticcument I " ues: ' —ile su tar for the encouragement or Irish inanufa.ctures, alai said " I hope I shall live to see the day when the hall of if you had been disengaged you would have had no ob- the Four Courts will be very empty." — (Laughter. ) jection to have got a lady for the tabinet ?—Probably SOLICITOR-GENEUAL—Look to passage 64, and see not.—(lmmense laughter.) if any observations were made by Doctor Gray. Wit- Indeed you might be worse off.—(Great laughter.) ness—After he had moved the admission of Mr. Mr. Ilamilmo—How long did you remain in Irelaud Balfe as an arbitrator, and the motion was carried, lie after the meeting at Mullaghmast ? Witness- 1 left on said, " I wish to state, before we leave the question of the 18th of October. arbitration, that all the necessary documents have been Mr. Hal:cinseo—Did you attend a meeting of the Re forwarded to the districts where the arbitrators have been appointed. I recommend the parties not to open 1)eal Association on the 2d of October ? W itness—Yes, I did. There, as at all other meetings, 1 was the Courts until those documents be forwarded." treated with the utmost possible civility. I received SOLICITOR. GENERAL—Which other of the traversers was at that meeting' Witness—The Rev. Mr. Tierney every courtesy and kindness at the Association. Mr. was present. In page 97 I find the speech of Mr. Tierney , seep ELL—You only read such extracts from Mr. delivered at that meeting of the Association. (Witness O'Conne H ll eechea, if I mistake not, as the Solicitor- General requested you to read ? Witness—That was all. then went on to read the Rev. Gentleman's speech . ) M r . O'Connell spoke after the delivery of the speech by the Mr. H AFCHELL—Then y ou have notes of several other Rev. Mr. Tierney. and said the Rev. Gentleman de- expressions which fell from Mr. O'Connell, independently served the thanks of the Association, and that he (Mr. of the extracts which you read in Court ? Witness — O'Connell heard the speech with pride and pleasure. Oh, yes; I have notes of very many passages from Mr. The motion was carried by acclamation, and Mr. O'Con- O'Connell's speeches which I did not read, but I will nell moved that the Association should adjourn to the read any part you require. next Monday, when he (Mr. O'Connell) said he would Mr. IlaTcnEoe—Look through your notes, if you revive a resolution of which he had fortherly given please, for some remarks of Mr. O'Connell's on Rib notice, and that it was useless to expect any redress bonism at the meeting of Oct. 3 ; they come immediately from the English Parliament. He (Mr. O'Connell) before a letter from Tallow, signed by a person named said he hoped the members of the Corporation who Jackson. attended in their robes at Mullaghmast would meet T he witness looked over his notes, but was unable to him (Mr. O'Connell) on the following Sunday find the passage. at Clontarf, but at all events he (Mr. O'Connell) would Mr. HATCHELL—The passage I allude to came before be there in his robes. I attended a meeting on Monday, the reading of a letter from Sharman Crawford ; but I the 9th of October, which was held at Calvert's Theatre, rather think you have it not, for I believe you did not in Abbey-street. Mr. John O'Connell was in the chair, takes notes until after the reading of that letter. There were present Mr. John O'Connell, Mr. Ray, Dr. Witness—The first remarks I have from Mr. O'Con- Gray, Mr. Duffy, Mr. Steele , and the Rev. Mr. Tyrrell , ne l l a re in allusion to a meeting in Donegal. SOLICITOR-GENERAL—on, the Rev. Mr. Tyrrell is Mr. HATatEr.r.—Read what Mr. O'Connell said on dead. that subject if you please ? -Witness, in continuation—l see page 43, 44, and 47 of The witness here read from his notes his report of my notes, and see the resolutions. He proceeded to read Mr. O'Connell's observations with respect to the Done them, but was interupted by gal meeting. The report of the same remarks which Mr. HATCHELL, who said, let him read the report of appeared in the Freeman's Journal of October 4tb, was the entire meeting, if you please. as follows :—" Mr. O'Connell said he did not know SOLICITOR-GENERAL — That would occupy a consider- that this gentleman was not inaccurate in stating that able portion of the day, and at present I will only read they did not take notice of the meeting in Donegal, but the resolutions passed at the meeting. in general meetings were not taken notice of except Mr. How/me—You have a right to any one particular they received some letter respecting them. What could speech, but not to the entire. they say of the Donegal meeting but what had appeared Mr. ITATCRELL—I beg your pardon. I have a right in the newspapers, for they heard of it only through the to it all. newspapers, and the public knew of it in like man n er. The witness then, in acco rdance with the di r e ctions It was as obvious as the sun at noon day that they must of the Solicitor-General, read the speech delivered on have been exceedingly gratified at that splenda meeting, -T and that they should feel the highest gratitude to the people of Donegal for meeting in the numbers they did, and for acting so peaceably, and returning without the slightest accusation of a breach of the peace, and all this peaceable determination exhibited by them showed their firm resolve to join with the rest of Ireland in seeking for Repeal. lle moved a vote of thanks to the persons who called and managed that meet ing, and especially the inhabitants of Inniehowen, and that the letter should be inserted on the minutes. They might rely upon it that nothing would gratify them more than any Repeal meeting in the north, when it was confined within the limits of the Constitu tion, and the more numerous they were the more they would be gratified, provided they created no rancour in any party. The Donegal meeting had this advantage, that it irritated no person ; on the contrary, it rather had the effect of soothing any bad feeling,s that were raised in the minds of the Orangemen. The Ariti-Re pealer could not retard the question except by giving it a sectarian complexion ; and it should be understood that it was not a sectarian question, or a measure intended for the advantage alone of any particular persuasion, or to do mischief to the people of any particular creed. It was intended for the good of all persons of every creed, and would prove as advantageous to Presbyterians, to the Catholics, and to the Eaiscopalian Protestants, as to either. It was intende'd for the good of all Irishmen.—(Cheers.) They did not mark them out in sections or divisions, and say some are Pro testants, or some are Catholics, or Presbyterians. They would have no sectarian distinctions ; the only mark they recognised was the name of Irishman. Their object was to give Ireland to the Irish, and the man was a bitter enemy of Ireland that attempted to create any other feeling amongst them.—(Hear, hear.) They should expel from the Association any man that made use of a phrase of a bigoted nature, or one reflecting on the religious profession of any class. The great evil of Ireland was its religious distinctions, for • the tree of liberty could only flourish when it was watered by the grace of charity. They had opened the portals of the Constitution to every class and creed, and they should dismiss for ever from amongst them the foul fiends of religious distinction that had so long desolated the land.—(Cheers.)" Mr. HATCHELL—GO down a good way farther, if you please, and read your report of the remarks which fell from Mr. O'Connell in reference to a remittance from West Canada that day. The witness read from his notes his version of the re marks in question. The newspaper report of same runs thus :—" Mr. O'Connell said he was delighted that their fellow-subjects in Canada West were advancing to their assistance. As long as the Canadians kept within the limits of the law they found him an ungifted but a most zealous advocate. He acknowledged that he deserted them the moment they had recourse to violence, and vio lated his principles by breaking into rebellion. At first it caused every kind ot misfortune to their native country, but Lord Stanley, who seemed to him to have the oddest idea of things in the world, was now conferring every kind of favour on those who survived the rebellion. He found that a general amnesty had been granted to those engaged in it— that the bills of indictment against Papineau and others had been quashed, and that the Attorney-General had a nolleprusequi on those indictments. A rebellion in Ireland had been attended with the worst consequences. He was convinced that a rebellion would ruin Ireland. There never should be a rebellion while he lived, but he would not carry the question of Re peal less securely on that account. Ile would not give one straw for Repeal if it were not carried without the shedding of one drop of human blood. The people stood by him, and would obey his advice, and he never saw a readier acquiescence in it than was exhibited on the pre ceding day at Mullaghmast. He would tell their friends in Canada of that meeting—the most gigantic and mag nificent assemblage that he had ever attended, with the single exception of Tara. Nothing could equal the beau tiful scene that presented itself to the eye as they passed up the long avenue ascending the Mount of Mullaghmast —the countless thousands that lined the way—the many black-eyed women—aye, and the beautiful women, too, that were with their husbands, and fathers, and bro- ' thers. They did not entertain the least idea, that there would be the smallest encroachment on their delicacy, for there was not one man among the hundreds of thousands that were assembled that would not sooner have died than offend one of them.— (Cheers.) They were there perfectly safe and secure in the high-souled honour and protec tion of their countrymen—blessings on the lovely wo men of Kildare. And his (Mr. O'Connell's) police were there with their cards upon their hats, and signifying they had authority to keep the peace if there was an opportunity of keeping it, which there was not. No thing could be more cruel than marching the unfortu nate green-coated police to these meetings; for what were they wanted there? If any of the stipendiary ma gistrates came to him he would tell him off as many men as would be sufficient to keep the peace.—(Cheers.) They might keep the police at home, and not have them wearing their shoes traversing the country in cold wea ther.—(Laughter.) There were two things in the con duct of Sir Henry Hardinge and the Government that he complained of, and this was marching about the police in this way (they had given up the practice of harassing the army, and he was glad of it), and having in fortifying Athlone cut down two beautiful trees near its walls to make the fortifications more secure. A tree was a public loss to that country. He loved a fine old tree; nature never produced anything more delightful to the eye than the waving branches of an aged tree that was still green and in vigour. He would forgive Sir Henry Hardinge anything but that. To come back to Canada next ; was it nut delightful to them to have their brother Irishmen chirping to them from such a distance ; but he begged of them, as he did of Mr. O'Ferrall, not to abuse the Orangemen so much, and to use civil language to them. It was quite manifest they were not afraid of the Orange men ; and why, then, should they scold them ? for persons only had recourse to scolding when they were afraid. He heartily thanked their friends in Canada, but he was glad that they had got over their rebellion, and that Vieir country was near a free coun try, and had a Parliament freely elected. The English Government had the good sense to let the Canadians govern Canada. All offices were filled by Cana dians, or were being filled by them, and no man got into office who did not concur in opinion with the majority of the Parliament. It showed how wise it was to give every dependency in England the power of self-govern ment, with a local Government ; for ,Canada was now declared by the Ministry thernselves to , be, fur the first time, in a state of unbroken quiet, except where it was interrupted by the decaying Orange faction. It was now settling-down in security and quiet. How little did they know the Irish people, to make any distinction be tween the two countries. If they had a mind to strengthen the empire —make it invincible against the world, and make the throne stable and secure for ever, they would make no distinction between them. He moved that the letter and lists of names be inserted on the minutes—that the persons named be enrolled as as sociates and members, according to the a mount of their subscriptions; and that Mr. Ray be directed to convey the most respectful th an k s o f t h e A ssoc iation to the gen tlemen individually and generally, who had su bscribed." Now, Mr. Hughe s , w ill you b e goo d e nough to refer to the report of the meeting at the theatre in Ab be y -street, and turn to Mr. O'C onn ell's speech there —but that re minds me to ask y ou a question t h a t I intended awhile ago. You said th a t M r . O'C onne ll was dressed in crimson or scarl e t at Mullaghmast ?—Yes, lie had a Wasn't that the r o b e usua lly robe on. wo rn by the Lord M a y or of Dublin ?-1 - es. And were there n o t severa l o th e r aldermen and t own councillors there we ar i ng t h ose robes?—lies- Read Mr. O'Connell's speech at the theatr e in re p l y to the address of the Repeaters of Manchester. —The wit ness read the reply, as previously published in the report of the proceedings at the meeting. After reading the resolutions which were read by the Crown, will you read Mr. O'Connell's speech at that same meeting in Abbey-street?—Witness here read the speech at length, from his own notes. the Clontarf meeting ?—I y was, fur four or five dacs.eg Mr. HATCUELL — Wereyou in Dublin an y time. I;fte: Mr. HATCHELL — Perhaps you - were there ?—Y, was there. Mr. HATCUELL — What were the directions you re ceived with the attendance at these meetings ; were you to attend all the meetings ? — I was to attend the meet ings et the Corn Ercehen , re and the monster nieetings.. • , 4“ , “‘k ,re of time proAttnalui, • :10.1tko . 1" meettngr—ir was the toast Mr. Barrett spoke to at the Mullaghtnast dinner. The witness hesitated for *hod time, and then re plied, " The People." Mr. M‘DoNotron—Look to your note of the meeting held on the 9th of October in Abbey-street. Witness—l have got it. Mr. M‘Doroucti—Enumerate the names of the tra versers who ‘Tere present at that meeting ?—John O'Con nell, 1). O'Connell, Mr. Steele, the Rev. Mr. Tyrrell, Dr. Gray, Mr. Dutfy, and Mr. Ray. Mr. M‘DoNouou—You have not named Mr. Barrett —was he there ?—I made a mistake about him on a former occasion—he was not present. Mr. M`Dosou6n—Then, I presume, he did not speak there ?—He did not. Mr. M‘DoNouGit—When you were under examination by the Solicitor-General he asked you nothing about the dinner at the Rotunda— was Mr. Barrett there ?—Mr. Barrett was not there either. I mistook some one else for him. I think you stated you took the earliest opportunity of correcting your mistake ?—I did. Where was it?—At the house of Judge Burton. Were you at the house of Judge Burton at the time the recognisance was entered into, and did you then swear your informations?—l saw Mr. Barrett there. I did not swear my information on that but on a prior oc casion. I swore an affidavit that day ; it was an amended affidavit. Do I understand you to say you amended the mis take with reference to Mr. Barrett by affidavit ?—I did not. Were you present on the occasion when the recog nizance to bail was subscribed by Mr. Barrett ?—Yes, I then mended the mistake. I mentioned it to Mr. Ray and Mr. Kemmis. Were they attending for the Crown ?—Mr. Ray is clerk to Mr. Kemmis. Did you apprise them of the mistake with respect to Mr. Barrett ?—I mentioned to them I had a doubt about having been correct in stating Mr. Barrett was at the meeting. Where was this ?—On leaving Judge Burton's house. What did Mr. Kemmis say ?—I can't recollect what Mr. Kemmis said. When was this ?—ln Kildare-street. Before you reached Mr. Kemmis' house ?—Yes. On the way can you not recollect what Mr. Kemmis said ?—He made no observation. Then it was left as it was ?—I mentioned it to Mr. Ray before leaving Judge Burton's house. When leaving the room, in the passage, was Mr. Bar rett then in the house ?—He was. What did you say ?—" I was mistaken in regard to Mr. Barrett ; I had doubt that he was at the Rotunda, or at the meeting at Calvert's theatre." What did Mr. Ray say ?—I do not recollect what he said. Did you return to have the error corrected 2—l did not take any steps further ; I thought it enough to in form them of it. Then it was the mistake as to Mr. Tierney that was corrected by affidavit ?—Yes. I did not correct the mis take as to Mr. Barrett ; merely mentioned it. Did you make that affidavit on the same day with your original depositions?—No; I corrected the mistake as to Mr. Tierney the day the parties attended at the house of Judge Burton. Then you called attention to the mistake with respect to Mr. Barrett 2—On that occasion. Cross-examined by Mr. WHITESIDE, Q.C., on the part of Mr. Duffy—When did you see the traverser, Mr. Duffy ?—I saw him at the meeting at Calvert's Theatre. Did he speak there?—He did. Was it there he made the eloquent speech, " I beg to hand in pounds for ?"—(Laughter.)—He handed in some money. Had you a distant view of the meeting ?—The place was dusky. A dark, dusky affair—perhaps, now, you could not see the platform 7—l saw Mr. Duffy. You reported fully and faithfully the meeting at Mul laghmast ?—I did, to the best of my skill and ability. Now, you have seen large meetings before ?—I have. Do you remember the immense meeting which took place some years ago in London—l allude to that at which Dr. Wade attended in his robes, and a small body of 150,000 people paid a morning visit to Lord Mel bourne ?—I was in Parliament-street, and saw Dr. Wade in his robes. I should say there was more than 100,000, perhaps 200,000. Then they really do great things in England as well as poor Ireland?—l never saw so large a body of men as was assembled on that occasion. Do you attend the debates in the House of Commons? —Sometimes. Now, whether were the Irish or English multitudes best behaved—there was no crushing, you know? —The people were exceedingly well behaved at Mullaghmast. In the House of Commons there are a number of ill mannered gentlemen, who keep bad hours (Loud laughter) —now, as I know you are a man of candour, don't you give the preference for propriety of behaviour to the Irish people?—They were very well-behaved when I saw them. Who did you get the letter of introduction to the At torney-General from ?—Mr. Gurney. What is the date of the meeting at Calvert's? I think 3d October—l thought it was the 9th. Re-examined by the SOLICITOR-GENERAL—I saw Mr. Ray at the meeting and asked him for the documents. He said he was not the secretary of the meeting. I ap plied to him in his character of secretary to the Repeal Association. lie said he was not the secretary of the Mullaghmast meeting. I saw Mr. Barrett at the Mul laghmast meeting. I saw him afterwards when I went to Judge Burton's to swear my amended affidavit with respect to the Christian name of the Rev. Mr. Tierney. I did not expect to see Mr. Barrett there. I knew him to be the person I saw at Mullaghmast. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Read the address to which the speech of Mr. O'Connell at Calvert's theatre, on the sth, was an answer. Mr. HATCHELL objected, and submitted that the Crown had no right to go back to the meetings again. If it was necessary, it ought to have been produced on the direct examination. The CHIEF JUSTICE said he did not see any objection to the Solicitor-General reading the address in answer to the speech. The witness then proceeded to read the address of the members and wardens of the Repeal Association of Manchester to Mr. O'Connell, presented on the 9th of October. After the reading of the address was concluded, the witness was permitted to retire—his examination having occupied the Court from its sitting to half-past four. Fleming Mathias Leatham examined by Mr. BENNET, Q.C.—I know the gentleman who gave evidence last. I came over to Ireland with him for the purpose of being his assistant. I wa s present at the meeting at Mallagh e l mast. I have been engaged in taking notes for the last ten years, I transcribed Hughes' notes from his dic tation ; that was a very long time after the meeting at Mullaghmast. Hughes took the notes in short hand, and read them to me, and I transcribed them in long hand, I know Mr. O'Connell. I have seen him in London. I took notes at the meeting for my own amusement, but not full notes ; my sole object was to assist Mr. Hughes ; he is a particular friend of mine, and I wished to come over to Ireland and see the country. I copied some resolutions at the banquet, which were thrown upon the table, to the best of my belief, by Mr. Ray, but I am not certain that it was by Mr. Ray. I attended a meeting of the Association on the Monday fol lowing the Mullaghmast meeting ; that was on Oct. 2. The witness went on to detail that he had transcribed the notes of Hughes int o l ong -h an d. O n hi s cross-examina tion he was asked by one of the traverser's counsel if the resolutions published in the papers were not similar to those which he had copied for Hughes? but the At torney-General refused to let him answer the question, observing that counsel on the opposite side might identify the papers in which they were published, and put them in evidence if they chose. Mr. FrrzoinsioN observed it would be long enough without adopting such a course, and would, therefore, withdraw the question. Charles Ross then appeared on the table, and, having been sworn, was examined by Scigeant WARREN—He stated that he was a native of England, resided in Lon don, and was a newspaper reporter. Is a short-hand writer, and has been so for upwards of twenty-years. Came to this country at the end of August last. Was in this country before. The first time became here was on July the 4th. He was not certain ; it might have been June ; but, at all events, it Wit! the night before the Don nyhrooli tee‘qing. Ott reft:rring to his notes it was on the sih of Jul,' that he came here ; it was suggested to him to come over here ; the suggestion was macre on the part of the Government ; 7.-ituess took notes of Mr. Oton nells's speech at Donnybrook ; has not got that note ; recollects to have had it about a fortnight afterwards ; took a transcript of the original note. Sergeant WARREN (in continuation)—What became of the original note ? Witness—l carried it with me to London, and kept it in a drawer. About a fortnight after I recollect having taken it out, and placed it alone. 6 with some other papers, and I fancy that one of my children —(Laughter)—who had access to the drawer, destroyed it, but what became of it I have never been able to dis cover, though I have searched for it diligently. The transcript which I took was very correct. Sergeant WARREN- —How soon did you take a tran script of the note? Witness—Next day : Attended the meeting of Donnybrook. Had a connexion with a news paper at the time. I wish to state that fact, as there were some observations made concerning me which 1 did not then notice, because I wished to reserve myself for this occasion. Sergeant WARREN—YOU were quite right. You have a copy of the speech of Mr. O'Connell at the meeting at Donnybrook ?—I have. Sergeant WARREN—Read it, if you please. (The witness then commenced reading the speech of Mr. O'Connell :—" What a glorious sight is here I I have seen many mighty assemblies, but never such a one as this. It is impossible for me to have more power, for I have enough, &c. ; The witness still mantled to read Mr. O'Connell's speech at the Donnybrook meeting, those parts exciting great merriment in the Court which referred to the cheapness of tea, sugar, and tobacco, and the hilarity it would produce among the families of the poor. Sergeant WARREN, to witness—Have you formed any opinion as to the numbers present at the meeting ?-1 estimated the numbers at about 40,000. Sergeant WARREN—Where were you placed ?—On the scaffold.—(Universal laughter.) I mean I was on the platform. The people came in procession with the band. A great number of flags were exhibited. I saw Mr. O'Connell as he approached. There was great con fusion at the time. I cannot recollect how long the people remained on the grounds—it might be two hours. I remained in Ireland the next day, and returned again at the end of August last. I saw Mr. John O'Connell at the meeting, but do not recollect seeing any other of the traversers. I attended no meeting of the Associa tion in July, but did shortly after my return on the 28th of August. Ido not recollect who was in the i!. Mr. 11A.Tcoka..i.—Did you rcq.ivc any orders to attend there?—l received no particular orders to attend, I went from curiosity. Mr. HATenELL—Did you report what occurred there? —No, I had nothing to report, 1 saw nothing there but troops. Mr. lIAmtELL---Po you recollect anything occurring at a meeting of the Association, previous to the Clout:11f meeting, whilst discussing the preparations for that meeting ?—No. Have you any note that Mr. O'Connell mentioned an application from some Protestant clergymen in respect to the propriety.of conducti,og the procession so as not to interrupt Divine service do not think I have any such note. llagh t n o la t s i t i ' at meeting. Mr. c o r in Mr. HATenELL 7 --I believe that took place at - the cor- What poration ?—.l was not at the corporation. Mr. llxrcuELL—You stated that when youyocu tmasked aetP to Mr. Ray my to you ?-11e said he w a s no t the secretary to the Mullaglnnast meeting, or he would give them. Dublin, ioarftstaeli3e, meeting documents at relativet: Mr. HATCIIELL—You have stated the names o f s everal persons who attended at the adjourned meeting at the Corn Exchange. Have you not proved a speech as de livered by Mr. Steele there have. Mr. Hatchell concluded his cross - examination, and it was resumed by Mr. Moore, (2.11 for another of the traversers. Exchange, on the 3d Cross-examined by Mr. MOORE—D irect your theatten mCn oTrnyrrell thero?—l did. t e i f o o n e r e b t e h r e . meet in g Did_ o 1 Mr. MOORE-- W e re you acquainted with his person before that?—l never saw him befo re that day. Mr. MOORS—What time did y ou e nter the meeting? — I went there about twelve o'clock, and r ema i ne d till half- , past four or five. Mr. m ooßE —Was it a very considerable meeting?— :1 4 see No, it was not; the place was not very large. Mr. Moonx--Weli, was not the meeting fully at tended?—There were 300 or 400 persons present. Mr. MoonE—Were there many speeches delivered ? —N o t a great number. Mr. MOORE—Did not several persons speak there that clay, who are not now on their trial ?—Yes ; I believe there were speeches made there by persons who are not now on trial. Mr. Moore concluded his crors.examination, and Mr. M'Donough resumed it on behalf of Mr. Barrett. M r . mposouun—lnform the Court and jury 010 chair, as the Chairman was appointed before I got in. Mr. J. O'Connell was there. I saw Mr. O'Connell, Mr. J. O'Connell, Mr. Steele, and Dr. Gray there every (lay. I saw Mr. lay there on two or three occasions. I took notes of what was said. I got some papers from Mr. Ray. Mr. Sergeant Warren then handed the witness a pa per, which he identified as being handed to him by Mr. Ray. The witness then handed in the documents, and also others having reference to the Arbitration Courts. lie received all these documents from Mr. Ray. He was at a meeting of the Repeal Association on the 4th of Sep tember. On the 13th of September, i got a document from one of the clerks of the Association. Mr. Ray told me to go to a particular room to get it. The document was " The Address to the People of the United Empire." The CHIEF JUSTICE said it • was now near half-past five o'clock, and probably the Court had better adjourn. Mr. Sergeant Warren assented, and the Court rose at half-past ve o'clock. IMPORTANT LIBERAL MEETING• (From the Dublin Monitor of Thursday.) A most important meeting—indeed it is impossible to overrate its importance—was held this day at the resi dence of the Earl of Charlemont, Rutland•square. The object of the meeting—which has been contem plated for some time—was to consider the course most judicious to be adopted in the present state of Ireland. There were upwards of fifty Liberal noblemen and gentlemen present, among whom we may mention the following : Duke of Leinster, Marquis Clanricarde, Marquis 'of Kildare, Earl of Charlemont, Earl of Leitrim, Earl of Meath, Earl of Miltown, Viscount Acheson, Lord Stuart De Decies, Sir Thomas Esmonde, Sir Percy Nugent, Sir John Burke, Sir Valentina Blake, Sir John Power, Dublin ; James Power, Esq., M.P. ; Robert Archbold , Esq., M. P. ; Mathew Corbally, Esq., M. P. ; Thomas Wyse, Esq., M.P. ; Right Honourable A. R. Blake ; George Roe, Esq. • Thomas Hutton, Esq. ; William Murphy, Esq. ; Peter Purcell, Esq. ; Shafto Adair, Esq.; James O'Brien, Esq.; Hon. Charles French ; Stephen Dickson, Esq.; Leland Crosthwaite, Esq.; Joseph Stock, Esq., M.P.; John H. Talbot, Esq.; Hon. Colonel Southwell, Marmaduke C. Roberts, Hon. Frederick Ponsonby, &c. After an animated conversation, it was finally resolved that a petition to both Mouses of Parliament should be prepared, setting forth the admitted leading grievances of the country, among which we may mention the state of the representation, the acknowledged abuses of the Church Establishment, the oppressive and unequal amount of taxation to which this country is subject. A petition embodying the above views having been prepared, was unanimously adopted by the meeting, and was entrusted to the Marquis of Clanricarde for pre sentation in the Lords, and to Mr. Thomas Wyse, M.P., for presentation in the House of Commons. It was furthermore resolved that this petition should form the groundwork of a substantive motion in both Houses, and after motion of thanks having been passed unanimously to the Duke of Leinster, and to the Earl of Charlemont, the meeting separated. This meeting, we are certain, will produce the most beneficial effects. We know that the Liberal party in Ireland are not scattered beyond the power of rallying effectually when the voice of Charlemont calls for union and action. In seasons of anxiety and peril like the present the true patriot is tested, and when was a Charlemont tried and found wanting ? We trust, that out of this meeting a new union of parties will result—that the good of Ireland will be the sole object sought to be attained by political combination, and that the welfare of our people—the promotion of industry — the inculcation of peaceable and orderly habits— the re dress of admitted grievances —and, in fact, the improve ment of the moral and material condition of Ireland, may prove distinguishing characteristics of the wise and enlightened policy which, as applicable to the govern ment of Ireland, we may date from the meeting to-day at Charlemont-house. MR. MORE O'FERRALL, M.P. We have been raqueste'd to publish the following letter:— Tonbridge Wells, Jan. 14, 1843. My dear Sheil,—l will feel Obliged by your attaching my name to the petition to her Majesty, agreed to at the meeting held in Dublin on the 13th inst. I regret that the short notice of the intended meeting prevented my being present, to express my indignation and disgust at the pro ceedings of the law officers of the Crown, acting under the direction of her Majesty's advisers. What are we to expect from their assumption, that twelve honest men are incompetent to try an issue by reason of their religious opinions upon a public investigation in a court of jus tice, as to whether illegal acts have been committed in proceedings taken to obtain the repeal of an Act of Par liament? Ido not doubt that a Protestant jury . will do justice, but I protest against the insulting insinuation that a jury of Catholics would not. We owe it to her Majesty and ourselves, to oppose a system of which this is only the first step, tending to in fuse the worst spirit of the penal code into the adminis tration of the law, and to throw distrust and discredit on institutions, which are the best guarantee for the se curity of the Crown, and the liberty of the subject. Very faithfully yours, —Dublin Monitor. MORE O'FERRALL. STATE OF TRADE. The cotton market has this week attracted the attention of all parties, and considering that this town owes its rapid extension mainly to the astonish ing increase of the cotton trade, it is not surprising that, when such excitement prevails amongst the brokers, the public in general look on and take a lively interest in the matter. Such has been the case this week, and various-indeed are the opinions enter tained with regard to the immense speculative opera tions that have been engaged in. The result of the manufacturing business last year proved that the consumption of raw cotton had largely increased; but then low prices, lower indeed than were ever known before, fostered this branch of trade; and even now there are good grounds for believing that the advance of the last few weeks is diminishing the demand from spinners, whose profits do not keep pace with the prices of the raw article in Liverpool. It is well known that the market here is now in a great mea sure under the influence of the American shippers, who, being assisted by the southern banks, are not satisfied with raising the prices in the States to such a pitch that places all the important English orders quite out of the market, but they go further, as it is known that the last steamerbrought instructions to buy largely in this market for American account, and many of the recent purchases are believed to have been en tered into under these instructions. It then remains only for the manufacturers, knowing the dangerous ground on which they stand, to act with firmness and caution, and not by any acts of theirs to assist the projects of those whose interests are directly op posed to the low prices which the spinner looks to for stimulating the consumption. The last accounts offer no data on which to found an opinion of a crop less than two millions of bales ; the receipts into the ports fully confirm this estimate; yet we find that opera tions, amounting to 70,000 bags, have been entered into within the last five days, chiefly on speculation, and at an advance of fully +d. per lb. It remains t° be seen whether this animation will continue ; it cer tainly would not if the market were left to its usual course. The export business is good for the season, and prospects are cheering, but many prudent merchants begin to doubt the full realisation of those very san guine opinions which were so generally expressed at the close of last year. Although the shipments of all goods are on a large scale, the profits on invoices are thus far but small, much less indeed than exporters have usually enjoyed in good times. The country trade is improving gradually, aid an increase :s per ceptible in the amount of goods of all descriptions forwarded into the interior.—Liverpool Mercury. ADVENTURE AT A MASKED BALT..—But now for the joke. You know that K-- likes well enough to relieve the monotonous routine of her ?rdtiout , dutie! with a little frolic when chance favours her. And an occasion occurr ed lately. You kncr.„ t this 7i.00), 9E Pwri. is ti,rtvr( into a ball-room. sod inast in ?hr mit. For inys , ell', I got so midi of this !vet. .ho wa3 ni business, that I condered it a treat to escape :such dis tractions. 1 never saw but one raasked ball, and that offended me in so many respects, whilst I admit that it was the gayest thing my eye ever dwelt upon, that I never desired to see another. K--, however, must needs go to one of these masked balls; and an acquaintance of mine, Mademoiselle de --, was to accompany her, to he en lightened, under her sage guardianship, in all the mysteries of a grand opera ball. astonished me by a flight of fancy uncommon in her ; she declared she would go in no other way but as my double. .She insisted upon wearing the Cracovian costume. Bien, sua chere, if you will risk it, connne tie youth-ids, but I repeat my warnings ; and I have my mis givings of the result." With the thoughtless glee of a child, she dressed herself, a la Craenvienne red boots, blue skirt, white jacket, and velvet cap. There she stood, arrayed in all the panoply of the capering Bohemian. My carriage set. them safely down a l' Opera, and they soon found .theinselves threading its brilliant labyrinths, thronged to suffocation almost, by its merry mobs of blithesome revellers. The masqued " Cracovienne" assailed her numerous acquaintances, and perplexed their lives out of them; right and left she distributed her lively raillerie. M. Duponchell declared she could be no other than Mlle. Fanny ; and he said what made him quite sure was, the little feather in the cap was fastened in by a pin he knew I wore. The game was up, and the news soon spread; the curious crowd rapidly gathered; and as, pro bably, it was the first time that some hundreds had ever met the supposed one, they thought it a good occasion to exchange a remark or two, with all the innocent freedom that a masque ball sanctions. But another and most unexpected attack await ed her ; she was suddenly accosted by a pink domino, who in good round terms told her she was no better than an arrant thief, to come as she had done that very day, and swindle her out of the costume she had then on ; that she did not choose to waste words on such a baggage; and that she must either take off instanter the costume, or pay for it, else she would hand her to the police. saw all argument was vain ; and if she hadUd the eloquence of a Berryer, she was too muck frightened to give utterance to it. So she took the course that it would be wile if all women did when the get into dilemmas—to run for it. She scampered as though for life across the vast area of the opera house, down the grand flight, spreading havoc among the gay flower-pots, and out into the cold streets but her relentless pursuer followed her close, and pressed hard upon her, aided at last by the impos ing arm of the law in the shape of a policeman. Away they went, helter skelter, till K— shot into the porte cochet e of her own house, and left the hounds at bay. She came fly ing breathless into my bed-reom, at three in the morning, her hair dishevelled, and her eyes looking wild. This little event has led to all sorts of speculations, and my declaring positively that I was not the heroine of this droll vaudeville liar only thickened the general confusion.—Fanny Ellsler's Sayings and Doings. - LITERATURE. CHRONICLES OF GREKVA GREEN. 2 Vol e. lientlem, Iptielon, 1844. S I; N The title of this work will be pretty sure toreeotn,,,,,jry,..:/?., mend it to the favourable consideration of our.fid.e'rs!•.:;-;:-1:=--;:- ,t,A>‘,.. ---'\\ --- especially those of the fair sex—for whd - iilli et*,-;',.'a3 : ::? Itl - ‘,,--,.'.>\ 1 " .4 _ 1 that does not feel an interest in Gretna Gr . r!it 1 6 tri;:- -- *:.:';' ,? '4 f4 celebrated scene of so many run-away mitirtciges,'-'2Ns ''•74:i . 1 , 1, NA here Lord Erskine figured in .the disguise co - f.1i,i , . - 44 woman ; where the younc , and brietiesg John ‘Sc` afterwards the wealthy Earl of Eldon, receiVektlf 1g1VE15..M.3.10 hand of a lady, against whose father he subsequently, in his capacity as Lord Chancellor, signed an act of bankruptcy; and where, at a more recent period, Mr. Edward Gibb on Wakefield laid the foundation of a three years' imprisonment within the veryunsentimental walls of Newgate? The volumes before us give an historical account of this celebrated border locality, from the earliest times down to the present day ; and the " materials and anecdotes"—observes the author, in his preface—" were collected in the parish of Gretna Green itself; and that, too, from such sources as may be held worthy of credit." Much of the early history of the place is, of course, intimately connected with the border skirMishes between Eng land and Scotland, which continued with more or less violence for so many ages; and, accordingly, we have many quaint and singular anecdotes respecting these conflicts, and those who took part in them, which serve to relieve and enliven what otherwise would have been a mere dry detail of facts. In the course of his historical investigations the author devotes a chapter to what he calls the " Raid of Solway Moss,"—the term applied to a celebrated conflict that took place, in the middle of the sixteenth century, between the Scotch and English borderers; and. in another chapter he sketches the rise and progress of the "Loves of Mary and Bothwell," which, however, are far too well known to stand in need of repetition. The volumes are amusing enough, though their interest is not a little diminished by the quaint, rugged, and frequently careless and flippant manner in which they are written. The author's serious moods are decidedly his best; when he attempts -to be facetious, he fails as signally as an elephant would fail who should undertake to dance a gallopade. The subjoined passage is a fair specimen of his style ; it commences a chapter, entitled a " Visit to the Gretna Priest" : " Simon Laing, ' weaver and priest,' son and heir, and so forth, to the most notable David the pedlar, is a personage of much, and most especial respect, a person. age whose interest is great, whose power is confessed, ‘lhose influence is extensive, whose friendship is worth obtaining, whose reputation is unbounded, Ikc. In his custody are the most important volumes of marriage register, come down to him through a long succession. and by him hereafter to be transmitted to the latest pos terity. This register descended to its present possessor from his father, who received it we know not whence. It probably originated in him, when the plan of monopo lising the trade began to be systematically established. It has been the policy at Gretna Green, for the principal inarrier to associate unto himself some partner in the business; thus, old Paisley took into his confidence David Laing, and when Paisley died, David connected his son Simon with him as his partner; furthermore, when the Angel of Death breathed upon David, and Simon was left alone, he, the said Simon, became associated in partnership with one Robert Elliott,of honourable mention. Now, this apostolic succession is not thus scrupulously maintained without good reason, that is, in so far as they theinselves are concerned ; and, indeed, it was the dis covery of certain advantages to be derived therefrom, that at first established this consecutive dove-tailing,— this concatenation--of priests. In the first place, it enables them, by the extreme exclusiveness of their body, to secure to themselves the whole of the traffic, and, above all, the emoluments arising therefrom ; in the second place, it gives vast importance, consideration, and notability to him that thus holds " the keys ;" and, in the third, this concatenation tends to prevent the loss, dispersion, or injury of the sacred books, so reverently looked upon and so carefully guarded. In these volumes are entered the names of all those whom the guardian priest has united in holy bands ; and the custody of them gives to their possessor his chief ability _ to continue the prevailing system of monopoly. Their importance, therefore, is manifest. Hence, that they may not pass into the hands of strangers, the necessity of partnership is acknowledged, so that, when the principal dies, the other being heir by devise, succeeds to the inheritance. By looking well to these things, they engross much com merce and much lucre to themselves, of course not a little to the envy and prejudice of their neighbours in the parish, whom the destinies have made less fortunate." INSTITUTION OF CIVIL ENGI NEERS. The annual general meeting of the Institution was held on Tuesday evening, when the usual report of the Council was read. It appeared that the progress of the Society was satisfactory, and the increase of members was equal to that of preceding years, but the amount of arrears of subscription was larger. The members were pressed to transmit papers for reading, for, as was justly stated, scientific societies can only be supported by useful and interesting com munications, and by raising such discussions upon them as are the distinguishing features of the Jneetings of the Society of Engineers. Memoirs of Professor Wallace, of Edinburgh ; of Mr. Buddle, of Newcastle, and of several other deceased members, were read. Telford medals were presented to Messrs. F. W. Simms, W. Pole, and T. Oldham, for communications presented by them to the Institution. Telford . and Walker premiums of books were also presented to Messrs. I). M.ackain, D. Bremner, D. S. Hope, R. Mallet, W. J. M. Rankine, W. L. Baker, S. C. llomersham, J. 0. York, G. D. Bishopp, and .B. W. Jackson, for their papers and drawing s, which had been . read' and exhibited at the meetings during the past session. Mr. J. WALKER, the President, addressed the meeting upon the internal management of the Society, the election of his Royal Highness Prince Albert as an honorary member, the valuable addition to the library presented by the Duke of Buc cleuch, the course of study and practice most beneficial for young engineers, and the opportunity afforded by the institution for coming advantageously before the world; •he then, among other novel subjects con nected with engineering, spoke of having lately visited the atmospheric railway near Dublin, and said that, without prognosticating as to the future, the experi ments he witnessed appeared more promising than those with locomotive engines at a corresponding early period of their introduction upon railways. He then gave a short notice of the connection of Col. Stoddart with the institution, as its Honorary Secre tary in the years 1834.5, alluding to the exertions now making by a committee of gentlemen, under the direc tion of Captain Grover, for ascertaining the fate, and, if possible, of obtaining the release of Colonel Stoddart and Captain Conolly, who, there was every reason to believe, were really still alive, although detained in a sort of captivity. In confirmation of this, Lieut.-Colonel llumfrey stated that Captain 0 rover had been informed by Lord Aberdeen that authentic intelligence had been received from Con stantinople, and from the British Consul Trezibond, to the effect im some pilgrims recently arrived direct from Bolthara had seen both Col. Stoddart. and Capt. Conuliy alive and at liberty, although strictly watched; that they mere both employed in the military service of the Ameer, and that evidently they were restrtiined by some power ful reason from attempting to make their situation known, as it was not probable others isc that two officers of such merit should allow themselves to be reported dead, and their names to be struck off the Army List. The favourable reception of Mr. Woolff at the various places he had hitherto passed through was noticed, and a spirited subscription to the Stoddart and Conolly Fund. was isamediately commenced among the members of the Institution, who all appeared anxious to Pid in, the restoration to his native country of a gentleman who had. whilst connected with them, gained so many friends. The ballot for the Council took place, when the fols lowing gentlemen were elected :—Messrs. J. Walker, President ; W. Cubitt, B. Donkin, J. Field, and H. R. Palmer, Vice-Presidents ; H. T. Clark, F. Giles, G. Lowe. J. Miller, W. C. Mylne, J. M. Rendel, G. Rennie, R. Sdblcv, J. Simpson, J. Taylor, F. Braithwaite,' stpi tl. . 7 nbtit, oilier rnemb2rs and associ,tes a Council. pap ,- 2r • r.cyrr• t< , .b• r. , 2;4(1 n)eciin;,-, l n tl . n: retires ay, !eon hia:l time mecting; r,tijouined -- No. 582. “Ducliption of a VVater cnn6t.turicci by W. Fairbairn, Esq., and erected in Lombardy ;" by S. B. Moody, Assoc. Inst. C.E. No. 586. " Description of a new Chain-bucket Water wheel ;" by .1. Wight. No. :)88. " Description of Whitelaw'a Horizontal Water Wheel ;" by ;1. Miitelaw. No. 613. " Description of a Water Meter ;" by P. Carmichael. A deputation of licensed proprietors of hackney carriages, consisting of Mr. Thompson, Mr. Inlcher, Mr. Bell, Mr. Powell, solicitor, and Mr J. U. Philpott, their secretary, had a long interview yesterday with Mr. Manners Sutton at tne Home-office. llumoutinn I.lr.sEwm , or THE BANK CHARTER. — Think Stock continues to rise, being up A to li per cent.; and we may Mention as a " great secret," that it is con tblently believed the Corporation will obtain a renewal of its Charter, and that the present Ministry have already intimated to the Governor and Deputy Governor, at a recent interview, that it is the intention of Govern ment to support the claim for it. The quid pro quo, it our information be correct, will be the assistance of the Bank in any conversion plan, by a large advance to meet the demands. of those who may dissent from a reduction of the interest ou their Stock. The matter, however, is kept so close, that very few are aware of the terms offered. DENSE Fuo.—A remarkably dense fog enveloped the town and neighbeurliocd in darkness that might literally be felt, in the afternoon and night of Monday last. The Derby mall, which leaves Nottingham at half-past eight, or a quarter to nine in the evening, was upset whilst going down the Lenten gangs. The coachman, a very carefril driver, was unable to see the head/ of his horses, and kept so much on the left side of the road, es to run the coach into the deep hollow adjoining Mr. Pincus' wall, breaking the springs and other parts of the coach. The inside pas• sengera, the Dean of Lincoln, Mr. Richard Enfield, and a lady, her tunately escaped unhurt ; but one of three outside passenger*. Xt. Dixon, of Stapleford, was much bruised, and taken up insensible. He was conveyed to Nottingham, and hil friends ease over Iv fetch him, but he was unable to bear a removal till the next, ay. The coachman was also slightly bruised. The coach was .. home in a very shattered condition, and the mall Ws arum to Derby by the railway..—Notting liaws Reiriesei l _ Lloyd's . , for the ro. tification, containing rules to be obrrvedcontuutte at anus, BRITISH TRADE WITH CritNA.—AinGdon7werninifrotig4Eipofr: mud of merchants, captain., and others in the trade of CA amnadnitfheestostthoerbeprtnes, bnastedtwaetnthfaorßwnardtisehd. to ha P a we ior" as s of to the 01° v ier, 11 . ,er. All'i Pr e ' lOW laer .0 6 S erP Ons t ; ;ran' till ) ! and t Cif' r'Y to from ' tiers e for' thu FOP 10014 THE SUN, 140 N DON, 6AT U I) A Y iii_oik, NiNG, .1 A, it . 1844.