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SECOND EDITION. S LTA 0 CE, Seven o' CA,uck. THE FUNDS.-CLOSING PRI CES BRITT.II FUNDS Bank Stock 189% India St Jck cvl 3 Per Cent fled 3 tier Cent ('c its. -' ; Ditto Old A impair, 3% per C. nt. Red 997i Ditto New A tinuities — New 3Y 4 per Cent...—. Ncw 5 per Cent — Ditto 50'/ 1- , pm . Long Annuities to expire Ditto 5001 17 pm. Jan. 1860 Oct. 1s.)0 .. ........... ..... India Stock fm• Op' Jan 1560 . ' Consols for Opg FOREIGN FUNDS Austrian, 5 per cent 1 Portug etc.: ' tends, 5 per cent. -- B 'gian, 5 per ern.' !Ditto !sew Ditto .. ............. ''.r ! , '!ian licnds !Prussian, 5 per ecur — Euello3 Ayres, 6 per cent — ; Ruisiai4 11onds, 5 per cent ... Chihan, 6 per cent ;Ditto, Metaliic.. .................. Colombian, 6 per cent 3l ISpanish, 3 per :ent IS Ditto, 1924 — !Ditto, Deferred B% Danish, 3 per cent — ' French, 5 per cent. *** I I 1 f. 75c. Greek Bonds, 1 re 4), 5 per ct. I ExchatigY Mexican, 5 per cent — 1 French, 1 per cent —l. —c, Ditto, ti per cent.. 1995 — ;Dutch, 24 per cent. 55 Peruvian, 1825,6 per cent — I Ditto, 5 per cent. SHARES, IS Irmingham and Gloucester Railway Fastens Counties Railway Great Western Railway I.ln , rinrt Junctim , Rai1way... . .. . .. London and Brighton Railway ll% I-A ,, an airs Ci.,, don RallWdy t fru, ) ..4, York and Neal] Midland Railway 4O . IMPERIAL PAR LI AMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. (Continued from our Fast Edition.) On the qUestion that the Speaker do leave the Chair, Dlr. DA It BY complained that the Noble Lord was now about to continue the Bill for two years, when the Noble Lord had admitted that there were many amendments which it was necessary to introduce. No one could say the Poor-law Com 7 mission Was to be permanent—it could never however be laid down without some preparatory legislation. Why,then, not begin now? He must confess however, that so many new and ex traneous duties had been thrown upon the Commissioners, as to give rise to a suspicion that it was intended to make their offices permanent ; but such a proposition, if ever made, would be most strenuously resisted. He had always tried to stop any excitement respecting the Bill out of doors, but he had no hesitation in saying that as concerned those persons who had married and had families under the old law, it was an act of great injustice. When it was seen that a man, notwithstanding all his industry, could not maintain his family, out-door relief ought to be afforded to him ; and they ought not to be compelled to enter the workhouse. No distinction appeared to be drawn by the Bill between the idle and the industrious.--( Hear, hear.) That was the mischief under the old system ; and therefore it. was that so many abuses and evils had always arisen. Under the present system a man with a wife and sik or seven children, if he earned only 6s. or is. a week, was obliged to break up his establishment and go into the workhouse, and thus he gave up all hope of ever being able to procure the means of again living out of it. He would, therefore, move an instruction to the Com mittee to insert a clause in the Bill authorising tint Guardians t° afford out-door relief to persons who were unable by their in du`--try to maintain their children. 1111 . FOX MA ULE opposed the motion, because it Would go to upset the main principle of the exist ing law and the Bill before the House was only to con tinue that law for a certain time. The proper time. for such a motion would be when the Poor dew Act itself came before the Rouse for revision.—( Hear, hear.) Sir E. KNATCHBULL supported the motion. If the existing law was violently forced on the people, instead of doing FTd, whi c h i t was sa id was the object of the Bill, considerable ‘ n .l tt rY would be inflicted, and a spirit of discontent might be created that would entirely frustrate all attempts at legislation. A lr- E. R. RICE thought this was a subject of such pressing 4e nessity, th a t it oug ht not to be postponed till another Session of Parliament. Mr. 'VODEHOUSE said be thought it matter of congratu lation rath er t h an l amentat i on , t h a t, as the Commissioners had l at ed, four_ fifths of the relief was out-door, because it showed that the workhouse had not been resorted to, save as a matter fnece ssitY.—( Hear, hear ) He was sorry this Bill had not be en introduced earlier. s i d Mr. BRISCOE could not rote for the clause proposed, con ering it un necessary . N o thi ng cou ld be more pernicious ', J an allowin g th e wages o f l a b our t o b e ma d e u p ou t o f the a-o ar - rates.----( Hear, hear. ) FRESHFIELD thought the more stringent parts of the Poor -law should be relieved. , Mr. AGLIONBY h ope d t h e c l ause wou ld b e carr i e d, an d he expressed thi s op i n i om as a s i ncere f r i en d t o th e P oor -l aw A ct. He totally repudiated the assertion that this was to be Considered a mere question for the benefit of the landlords, as he thought it was intended for the social amelioration of the labour ing classes, which he believed to have been its effect, and he 'rusted it would have, a fairer trial, as no measure had been so unfairly attacked. At the same time he was in favour of re ;axing some of the more stringent regulations, and therefore he should support the proposition of the Hon. Member for Sus sex. which he believed was calculated to introduce a uniformity of system. Lord JOHN RUSSELL would allow the introduction of this clause if he thought it would conduce to the beneficial working of the Act; but being of opinion that it would not do so, he felt it to be his ditty to oppose it. With regard to the question of able bodied labourers, he must say that lie had never seen any provision with which he was satisfied.. What was the evils which chiefly existed under the 'old system of the law? Why, that instead of the labourer receiving his proper wages, he only received part from his employer, and the other part in the shape of alms. If it was proposed that part of the maintenance should be paid by the parish, or by the Guardians, they would in a great degree make the labourer dependent upon the pa rish, and it had always been found that there was the greatest disposition in different districts, when the employer labourers saw any chance of their being paid by the rates, to was la out of employment. By the present L et ' . it was proposed to avoid that by making distinction t n ,, w erri the labourers that were married before the pass h is of the Poor-law Amendment Act, and those that ad t ) erl married since. The Honourable Member who ad proposed the amendment had said that it Ns as in tended by it to introduce uniformity ; where, he would ask• could be the uniformity when one man was to be relieved by the parish while his neighbour was not because he had married at an earlier period. He thought that would lead to great di scontent : (h e t h oug h t t h a t th ose who had married since the Poor-law Amendment Act ought to be put on the same footing as those that had been married since. The Act was no doubt accompanied with very considerable severity, but in saving this he did not mean it to inferred that that severity could not be relaxed. In conclu sion he felt bound to consider the amendment would be ex kremely dangerous, and lie should therefore give it his decided Opposition. siti rA . MES GRAHAM shared with the Noble Lord the responsibility of the introduction of the measure, but he was certain that upon the whole it had been be neficial to the rate-payer and labourer, and had encou raged industry. At the same time experience had shown the m that it had borne hardly upon some classes, particularly widows, who had suddenly been deprived of their husbands, and were left totally unable to support themselves or their children. lie had been Chairman of a Board of Guardians, and had re garded the working of the measure with great anxiety. There Was a large body of handloom weavers in the union. He was persuaded that it would have been utterly impossible to have c onducted the affairs of the union during the past winter, if . out-door re li e f i n ki n d had net b een administered with, "e would observe, a cautious and sparing hand.—(Cries of , Hear, h ear .") Th e N o ble Lord said if they admitted the principle of out door relief, even on special occasions, t hey would rever t to th e wors t feature s of the old system. It sh ould be recoll ec t e d, however, that although it was proposed ''",e operatio n o f th e l a w should be carried into effect in a given day throughout England and Wales, the Poor. law Corn- Imssioners had found that impracticable—the same principle I niPht be applied to out-door relief, the exclusion from which could not always be observed. In the South of England the ru le was carried into operation, but in the Northern Counties, ` j umberland, for instance, no such rule existed. If the Hon. Member pushed his amendment to a division, his (Sir J. G raham's) own feelings would lead him to support it; but as lia the subject was lik e l y to come un d er th e consideration of Par ment in the next Session he thought it would be more ad visable not to press it.—( Hear, hear. ) Lord TYN EMOU T H wou ld h ave most w illi ng ly su pp or t e d theamendment if his Hon. Friend h. , d introduced it at an ear period of the Session, but it would be impossible to discuss that Point w ith out go i ng i nto a var i ety o f o th ers . If, therefore, the Hon. Member pressed his motion to a division, he feared he should be compelled to oppose it. HAINES, agreeing as he did in all that had fallen from Sir •GRAHANI, and acting under the same influence as actuated him, he would pursue the same course. He had at first been opposed to the Bill, but wherever he had seen the working of it, he had uniformly found it for the benefit of the ',; ) ° 1. % Had a s muc h p a i n , b een t a k en t o rouse th e peo pl e against - ower-looms as had bee taken to rouse them against the Poor. law Amendment Bill, there would not have been one left in the countey,—( Ch eers . ) Mr. ACLAND was sorry that he was not able to vote for the instruction of the Honourable -Member for Sussex. The speech of the Noble Lord ( Lord John Russell) was the best security for th e mildness of the administration of the law during the entitling winter, and that there would be a searching inquiry into the whole question. He thought the instruction was therefore unnecessary. Mr. EASTHOPE would support the clause, in order to force on a full and deliberate discussion of the whole question. Tile people of Leicester, who were in former times earning 20s. a-week, were now not able to earn more than 10s. and 12s. Per week, and he trusted that Hon. Members would consider that the uuestion was intimately connected with the Corn-laws. Mr. PAKINGTON said it appeared to him tie sooner the Principle of this clause was adopted the better, and he differed with the Right Honourable Member for Pem broke, and the Honourable Member for Somersetshire, that they ought to p os t pone it t ill next S ess i on, because the Noble Lord had. promised the subject . should be then fully dis eussTd. hear.) He was against the principle of ex tending out-door, relef to able-bodied w labourers, but he thought re i'f ought to be afforded to omen_ and children, otherwise the greatest hardship m i ght be .inflicted..—(Divide divide.) Mr. HODGES felts to be his duty to support the motion of the Hon. Member rot' Sti:slx. Sir B. HALL said it wt , possible there might be a great depression in the ensuingrywinter and he should like to know whethe t was the intention of the ' Government to make any suggestion to the Poor - law Commi ssioners to relax the rules in such cases as those alluded to by the Hon. Member for Sussex. Air. DARBY replied , after which the House. was divided. when then appeared— For__ the Clause Againstit Majority ........................... __ 23 Lord J. RUSSELL said the further consideration of the subject mi g ht no w be as well adjourn ed till Alonda 3 • . FA CTORY BILL. On th e mo ti on o f M r . F. MAULE this Bill was committed pro forma. Mr. F. EGERTON suggested that the silk manufacturers who had been unexpectedly introduced into the Bill should hive a year's notice. Mr. MAULE thought the suggestion had some fairness in it, and it might obviate the difficulty in the way of the Bill la sing this year.--( Hear, near.) Mr. SHEPHERD gave notice of his intention to propose a c ause.. A ir. BAINES objected to bringing f orw ard such an import ant subj ect at so late a period, and suggested the pos t p onement of th e Bill to another Session. Lord G. SOMERSET hoped the Government would come to no decision without a previous consultation with the Noble Lord the Member for Dorsetshire. t J. GRAHAM hoped the Hon. Gentleman would come poot?Ito determination until all the manufacturers had had an op -I,,,itY of perusing and considering the Bill, which he did , s , think could be done so as to bring the Bill forward before 4oridry se . • ntuer.t. Mr, - Bill sh Fox MAULE thought it would be desirable that this sho uld - be • r eceded with this Ses i - He In.d. .ff ceiv-ed It rc r ug assurances • from the manufacturing interests that the Fill, as pule:lc:ed. would prove sr.t s'ac'o - y to the He thought that it would be desirable to postpene the rew re gulation, relative to the silk factories, until another Session; but the present Bill would, he thought, he proceeded with on Monday, or ;he Monday after. Mr. FIELDEN said a tow words, which was inaudible in the gallery. After a few words from sir. BRO'FiIERTON, the Bill was reported, tie Committee to sit apin on Thursday. The Highway Bill ( No. 2.) t..%ent through a Committee. The Constabulary Force (Ireland) Salaries and Expenses Bill went through a Committee. The Assaults (Ireland) Bill, the Sheep Stealers' (Ireland) Bill, the Sale of Spirits (Ireland) Bill, and Juror and Juries (Ireland) Bill, were severally read a second time, and ordered to be Committed. The Excise Licences ( Sale of Spirits) Bill w•as read a second time, and ordered to be committed. The Timber Ship Bill was read a third time and passed. The Report on the Unlawful Oaths (Ireland) Bill was read. Mr. F. 111AULE, in the absence of Lord J. Russell, obtained leave to bring, in a Bill to provide for the more effec tual collection of rates for the relief of the poor. The Bill was then brought in, read a first and ordered to be read a second time on Monday. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House Adjourned at Five ()Mock. COURT CIRCULAR. Her Majesty had a Dinner Party last evening at Buckingham Palace. The company were her Royal Highness the Duchess of Krnt, her Royal Highness the Duchess of Glouscester, their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and the Princess Augusta of Cambridge, the Hanovarian Mi nister, the Duke of Argyle, the Marquis and Marchioness of Abercorn, Marquis of Douglas, Earl and Countess of Wilton, Earl and Countess of Uxbridge, Ladies Eleanor and Constance Paget, Dowager Countess and Lady Fanny Cowper, Earl and Countess of Burlington. Earl of March, Earl of Alulgrave, Viscount Duncannon, Viscount Torrington, Viscount Pal merston, Lord Gardner, Hon. Miss Murray, Hon. Miss Paget, .Mss Davys, Baroness Lehzen, Miss Kerr, Hon. William Cowper, Hon. Spencer Cowper, Hon. C. A. Murray, Sir Frederick Stovin, Hon. Colonel Cavendish, and Baron Knesebeck. The band of the Ist Life Guards was in attendance at the Palace during the evening. Yesterday was the Birth-day of the Princess Augusta of Cambridge. Her R.ysl Highness and th e D uc h ess o Cam bridge received congratulatory visits from her Majesty the Queen Dowager, accompanied by the Princess of Huhen lohe. the Duchess of Gloucester, and the Duke of Sussex. The Princess Augusta of Cambridge accompanied the Queen Dowager and the Princesses of Holtenlobe in the afternoon to Buckingham Palace, to pay a visit to her Majesty. Many of the Nobility and Gentry called and let; their names at Cambridge House in the course of the day. Viscount Melbourne had an audience yesterday cf her Majesty. A Cabinet Council was held yeste-day afternoon at the official residence of Viscount Melbourne, in Downing. street. It was attended by all the Ministers except the Lord Chancellor. The Council sat. two hours. Messrs. Blount, Alnspratt, Robinson, and Marshall, from the Provincial Bank of Ireland, had an interview with the Chancellor of the Exchequer vest. rday in Downing-street. The Marquis of Bute and Mr. Scholefield. M. P., had inter views with Lord John Russell yesterday at the Home Office. The Commander of the Forces had an interview with the Marquis of Normanby yesterday at the Colonial Office. SPORTIN G IN TE LLIG EN CE. LIVERPOOL JULY ;11EETING-THURSDAT. The Liverpool St. Leger Stakes, of 50 sovs each, 20 ft, with 50 added ; the second to receive 50 soya out of the stakes ; for three yrs-old-colts. Bst Sib, and ffllies, Sat 31b ; the winner of the Riddlesworth, or 2,000 Guinea Stakes at Newmarket, or Derby, at Epsom, 71b extra; of the Tuesday's Riddles worth; 1,000 Guineas, or Oaks, 51bs; of the York, Derby, Chester, Produce, Dee, or Palatine Stakes, the Manchester or Newton St. Leger, 31bs ; of any two of the above, 2lbs, in addition to the highest weight attached to either of such two; horses that have started and not won, or that have started and not been placed in any of the above stakes at York, Chester, Manchi , ster, or Newton, allowed 31b, and such allowance to be deducted from extra weights, if any. One mile and three quarters Fourteen subs. Mr. Bowes's b c HetmAn Platoff Duke of Cleveland's br c Kremlin, by Sultan.. Mr. Fowler's br c Profligate 3 Lord Miltown's b f Medea, by Drone, out of Pasta Lord Eglintoun's ch g Zoroaster, by Priam Betting,—Even on the winner; 5 to 2 agst Kremlin; 7 to 2 egst Profligate ; and 13 to 1 agit Zoroaster. Won by a length and a half. _ _ The Two-yrs-old Stakes of 30 sous each, 1011, and 30 added, if three start; for colts, Bst 71b, and fillies, Bst 41b ; winners, once before starting, 71b ; those that twice have started, and not WOlit, allowed 31b. TY. C. Seven subs. Sir Thomas Stanley's ch c by Birdeatcher, Gut of Lena's dam (Templeman) Lord Stanley's ch fby Velocipede, out of Roseleaf 2 5t04 on the winner. Won cleverly. The Hootun Sweepstakes of 20 sovs each, h ft, with 100 added, for Four-yr-olds and upwards; four.yr-ulds, Bst 51b; five, t'st 121 b ; six and aged, 9st 21b ; mares and geldings allowed 31b ; maidens at the time of starting allowed, four yrs 31b ; five, 51b; six, and aged, 81b; winners once in 1839, 31b; twice, 51b extra. Twice round. Ten subs. Mr. Ramsay's bk h The Doctor, 5 yrs (Cartwright) I Mr. Ramsay's br c Lanercost, 4 yrs 2 Mr. Ramsay started two that he might claim the 100 sovs, to which, as a walk over, he would not have been entitled. Her Majesty's Plate of 100 guineas; for three-yrs-old, ict 51b ; four, 9st llb ; five, 9st 1:11); six, and aged, lOst 21b. Two mile heats. Lord Eglinton's b g The Potentate, aged walked over. STAMFORD RACES-WEDNESDAY. The Burghley Stakes of 25 sovs each, 15 ft, and five only if declared, &c. From the New Mile Starting Post, once round. Nine sub 3, five of whom paid five sovs each.' Lord Exeter's Express, 3 yrs, 6st 31b 1 Sir J. Trollope nd Hahneman, 4 yrs, ist 41b 2 Captain Daintree's Harlequin, 3 yrs, 6q. 316 dis. Fifty pounds given by the 'Marquis of Exeter for three-year olds list 91b, four, test; five, sst Sib; six, Ast 121 b; and aged, 9st ; mares and geldings allowed 21n ; winners of one plate, match, or sweepstakes this year, 31b; of two, 51b; and of three, 71b extra ; twice round ; the winner to be sold for 300, &c., was won in three heats, after an excellent race, by Mr. King's Condor, beating Watt's Dash and Captain Dain tree's Harlequin. The Donation Cup Stakes of 3 sous. each, with 8 added by the Corporation ; for half bred horses, three-yr-olds, lOst ; four, list; five, 1 Ist l llb ; six, and aged, 12st 21b; winners of this stake once, blb ; twice 71b ; heats, once round, and a dist. ; the second to save his stakes, and the winner to be sold for 40/ ; were won in four heats by Mr. Whincup's b g Leader, aged (Mr. Perkins), beating Mr. T. Standwell's b g Dona tion, 3 yrs (won the third, and ran a dead heat with Pea , ant for the first) ; Mr. Lovell's ch m Pleasant, 4 yrs ; Mr. Prout's bl d Mazeppa, 4 yrs, and Mr. Phillipson's ch g Yellow Dwarf, 5 yrs. THURSDAY. The Gold Cup of 100 sovs, by ;,tius of 10 says each (the sub scriptions to be paid to the winner in specie). Tw ice round. Ten subs. Gen. Grosvenor's b g Daedalus, 4 yrs Lord Exeter's Exptess, 3 yrs Sir J. Trollope's ch c Hahneman, 4 yrs.. A good race. The Town Plate of 601, and 10 added for the second ; for three-yr-old colts and fillies. Bst 41b; winners once this year, 31b; twice. 51b; and more than twice, 71b extra; the best of three heats, once round, was won, after a fine race, by Lord Tavistock's All-Fours, beating Mr. King's Condor and Lord Exeter's Express. The Farmers' Plate of 40 sovs, added two a subscription of 2 sovs each ; for horses not thqrough-bred, &c. ; two-mile heats, was won by Mr. Chapman's Irun, beating Mr. Nierrey's Polly and Mr. Stewart's Miss Flora. The Handicap Sweepstakes of 5 cove each, and 25 added, New Mile, were won by Mr. Stevenson's True Blue, beating Mr. Wilders's Jupiter, Mr. Handwell's Donation, Mr. Phillip son's Yellow Dwarf, and Mr. Ousley's Victoria. EXCESSIVE BAIL. TO THE EDITOR OF TUE SUN. SIR,—If we had no protection against excessive bail in this country, we should be in a worse situation than hose who live under the most galling tyranny. The law, however, imposes a heavy fine on those in power, who exact immoderate hail from any one accused of a bailable offence ; and althou g h of late years, to the disgrace, be it said, of Englishmen, this injustice has been continually inflicted on our suffering fellow citizens. I do hope the late illegal and exhorbitant bail which has been demanded of Lovett and others, and noticed in the Houses of Parliament last night, will be made the subject of a prosecution before the proper Judges. It was but last year that a rich and and titled individual was only held to bail in the trifling sum of 801. for a most outrageous and indecent assault on a female child, and yet in a week or two afterwards a poor servant girl, accused of theft by her mistress, also a titled person, without any corroborating circum stances, was held to bail in the enormous sum of 2001. In the present enlightened age, where such gross iojustice is practised, and even countenanced by the Government, can it be wondered at that the lower orders exclaim that monarchy- (?) is established in this country only for the benefit of the few, at the expense, degradation, and suffering of the many ! As long, however, as the Magistrates are the mere creatures of the Nobility, solely nominated and appointed by them for party purposes, so long will injustice pass under the name of justice, and power be the substi tute for law. It is only of late years that the Nobility are allowed to monopolize all the high and influential posts of the realm, to the total exclusion of all others ; and such is their powers that Chateau briand, in his last work, truly characterize s them as "in act the Kings and rulers of the country," I am, Sir, Your most obedient humble servant, July 19, 1839 A. F. H. HAMBURG MAIL. BERLIN, JULY 11.—The affairs of the East are beginning to he more and more a subject of general conversation. Persons who are in general well inrormed, affirmed yesterday that his Majesty our King has already given orders that the detachment of officers and subalterns assembled here, which was ready to set Out for Constantinople at the shortest notice, is not to go to Turkey in the pres , nt circumstances. Hence it is inferred that our Court has received some official information respecting the health of the Sultan. The evening before yesterday, how ever, the Turkish Minister at this Court either did • not, or Would not, know anything of the danger of the Sultan. Cap tain Fischer, of the general staff, has been here tor these five days. We hear that the delay ef the departure of the detach ment was owing- to a condition respecting a pension which cur Government required for the widows and children of the officers who should die in the course of their services there. The Sul tan had complied, in a very liberal niannor, with this and all other conditions proposed. HAN "Ea, JULY B.—A s th e e l ec tion of the Deputies con tinues, notwi,hstanding the prorogation of the Chambers, it may be inferred that the Assembly will cot he dissolved, but that the new draft of a Constii ution will be laid before it'next )s•eesacgro,thrtechsto.uumgAfihcd,eranNecc,eo jrodufiLnth:reetitclo,:it.Ltns country. confession, it does not pos rhitasteiiiubsty bthaeenalpiussbiloinhaerav ph here,ia. r m pamphlet Rosen. R with acou dl 1 Recollections nont esd lithographic oaftmhys expense,plates, Bay of Bengal , called likewise Frederick Islands, are claimed by Denmark, which has at different times attempted to colonize them and it is said that it is eontemplated to make another at_ tempt_to do so.—hamburg Papers, July 16. ASSIZE INTELLIGENCE. MONTGOMERYSHIRE, Juj,r 16. John. Lewis and Lewis Humphreys were indicted for unlawfully demanding a gun. Another count was for stealing a gun from one Thomas Jarman. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL addressed the Jury. The prisoners went to the prosecutor's house, and reminded a gun. It would be clearly sworn it was against his con sent. The distinction between this and the last case was, that in that one gun only had been taken, here two had been taken, and never returned. They had heard from his Lordship, if a gun were taken' against the will of the owner, and if it was intended not to be returned, such a taking was felony. After the production of evidence,. the hearing of Counsel, and the summing up o f th e Judge, The Jury returned a verdict of stealing one gun, and explained that the prisoners had not returned one gun. The Learned JUDGE explained that was not the point from which they were to draw their inference. He could not think that not returning one gun would make any difference whatever. If they intended to return one, they possibly intended to return both. They must have hadthe same intention with regard to one as to the other. Verdict—Guilty of stealing the two guns. John Jones stood indicted fur unlawfully demanding a gun on the 9th of May last. Another count was for larceny. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL briefly stated the case for the prosecution. Thomas Humphrey, the prosecutor, appeared; and his ponderous obesity contrasted strikingly to an observer with the lean and emaciated appearance of the prisoners. His fat and muscle would have outweighed those of the prisoners. Mr. YARDLEY then addressed the Jury'for the defence. This was a ease of borrowing or lending. Suppose any one of them went to a neighbour to borrow a plough, would it not be hard to permit that man to be at liberty to qua lify his own acts as he pleased, and after using the article, to drag them to that dock. His LORDSHIP addressing the Jury, said the question is as to the intent, and the influence of fear produced by cir cumstances. as to any intimidation, if the person appre hended harm to himself or property. or future injury. '!'he prosecutor had said that he was not afraid at the moment; but he had said if he refused he apprehended future injury to his property—that he entertained fear from what had been going forward. It the Jury were of opinion that the rrisoner got the gun under apprehension of future vio lence, though the application be to borrow, it would go to es . ablish a criminal intent. Then they would consider the qu , stion as to the appropriation to his own•use. Not Guilty. Thomas Edwards, William Owen, Richard Jones, and Joseph Jenkins, operatives, all of Nt•wtowu, were in. dieted for riot and assault upon individuals of the Mont. gomeryshire cavalry, on ping from that town to proceed to LlAnidlo, , s. Thomas Edwards was included in the in dictment, but he wa, not pesett to take his trial. The Learned JUDGE, in summing up, said there might he a riot, whether for a lawful or for an unlawtul purpose. He left it to the ..nry as to whether a riot to molest the pro s, cutor had not been committed, accompanied with an assault.—Guilty. THE LLA NIDLOF.S RIOTS. WEDNESDAY, JULY 17.—Betdamin Davies. John Evans (tailor), Jilin Evans (spinner), Edwai d George, _Lewis Humphreys, David Hamer. Edward Humphreys, Thomas Hamer, Thomas Jones, John Jones (Val), Wm. Jones (fowler), James Jenkins, David Jones, Daniel Jarman, John Lewis ('Fatto), John Lewis, (Cripplcgate), Elizabeth Lucas, Edward Morgan, David Morris, Evan TVantle, James Morris, Margaret Meredith, Thomas Morgan, John N cholas, Abraham or Aby Owen, Giles Richards, William Richards, Valantine Rowlands, Richard Thomas (Rowley), and Ann IVilliams, stood indicted for riot, rescue, assault, and ob. structing the Mayor and peace.efficers in the execution of their duty at Llanidloes, on the 30th of April last. Susan Owen was included in the indictment, but did not appear, and her recognizances were entreated. All the prisoners in a bold but decorous manner severally pleaded Not Guilty. Mr. HILL. (for the Attorney-General) addressed the Jury for the prosecution. He would, in the outset, shortly call the attention of the Jury to the origin of the present pro secution against no less than thirty individuals standing at that bar, charged with committing or participating in one common offence. The prosecution originated in the forma tion of a Society at Llaradlocs, called the " Political Union," wherein opinions bad been promulgated that the working classes had their rights withheld horn them—that they must seek and secure those rights by physical force, by main force—that they were tyrannised over by their superiors, and that these distresses arose from their oppression—that they had a right—an equal right—an indefinite term, with the other classes of society ; that was construed that the poorer classes and the middle classes were entitled to an equal distribution of property—that they had to obtain it by physical force. This was language calculated to inflame. The political unionists were working people. It was im possible that peace could prevail in the country—it WAS impossible that peace could prevail in the country—it was long as such opinions were put abroad. Every man might hold opinions such as he thought proper, but he must do that temperately, and without imputing corruption or im proper motives to others, otherwise the law must interfere; it becomes in such case a crime. As to arms, men may have arms for their own defence, or for that of their pro perty, or for their pleasure, but not for offensive purposes. No one was at liberty to use a deadly weapon, but for the purposes of defence, not for attack. In his opinion the less a poor man meddles with politics the happier he must be. It was impossible he could be happy as long as he had his mind agitated. The police bad been established to protect the poor man as well as the rich—if the property or the safety of the poor man became attacked, who was to protect him but the peace officer? and hard it would be if he were not, in return, to be protected by the law. But it is often the case when they are called to execute the law on others they raise a prejudice ; but they must per form their duties; and as far as he knew or understood, they executed those duties forbearingly and firmly. These deluCed men, the prisoners at the bar, had been told that their superiors tyranniz,d over them in alt things. Gen tlemen, was it possible there could be greater tyranny than they themselves had exercised ? If such tyranny was to be tolerated, what would become of the peace of the coun try? Suppose the weavers of Llanidloes were attacked by , any force greater than themselves, would they not com plain, and have reason to complain, of such tyranny ? It was the imperious duty of all to obey the law. When the police did their duty they acted temperately; and when in the performance of it they were attacked, it was their duty to repel it for their own safety. It had pleased the Al mighty that there should be rich es well as poor, it was intended by Providence that. there should be the poorer, the middle classes, and the upper, each dependent on the other. (The trials were proceeding when our account left.) NORTHERN CIRCUIT—Yonr, Julx 17. Barnard ill Vaij was indicted for wilful perjury. The prisoner bad, it appeared, been formerly constable of Keithly, and had been, up to the year 1833, when the matter in question occurred, very active in the discharge of the duties of that office. In that year one Jchn Sharp had at Keithly wounded one David Smith, by firing at him with a gun loaded with shot, and was taken into custody by the defendant an hour or two after the occurrence. He was taken by him to Bingley, before a Justice there, and was by him remanded to Keithly until the next occasion when the petty sessions would be sitting at Bingley, ten days from that time. During this period he re mained in the cage at Keithly, under the defendant's care. Sharp was subsequently tried at York ; and after the trial, before Mr. Baron Alderson, the defendant made an affidavit to obtain his costs, in which he stated that he had been employed ten days in journeys to Bingley and other places in searching for, and apprehending, the prisoner Sharp at Keithly. On these various allegations perjury was assigned, and evidence was adduced to show the capture of Sharp was very shortly after he committed the offence, and that the defendant, M'Vay, was generally at Keithly during the ten days sub. sequent to that occurrence, with the exception of his jour ney to Bingley. It appeared, also, that he had absconded on this charge being made. On the cross-examination of the greater number of witneses against him, it appeared that they had almost all been, at one time o rather, in cir cumstances to have called fir the exercise of the defend ant's authority, as a constable, and that there was a consi derable grudge against him on account of the active way in which he had discharged his duties. A number of witnesses aas called to character, and the Jury, after retiring for some time, brought in a verdict of Acquittal. John Brook was indicted fcr cutting and wounding Wil liam Wiight, with intent to murder him.. The Jury returned a verdict of Guilty, with, however, a recommendation to mercy. The prisoner was sentenced to nine months' imprison. ment, with hard labour. CIVIL SIDE.—RIPLET V. THOMAS. This was an action of assault and battery. Mr. ALEXANDER and Mr. BAINES for the plaintiff, and Mr. CRESSWELL and Mr. DUNDAS for the defendant. Mr. ALEXANDER gated the case— It appeared that the plaintiff is a pig-dealer at . Leeds. On the 224 of March last he was with his servant in a field, looking over some of his stock, when a pig belonging to the defendant came into the field, and a dog was set upon it by the plaintiff for the purpose of driving it out. The defendant then came up with a shovel, and exclaiming. " D—n thee, I'll kill both thee end the dog !" aimed a blow at the plaintiff. The latter put up his hand to ward off the attack, and received the blow on it. A severe cut was in flicted, and some of the bones were injured. The witness, George Fell, the plaintiff's servant, who deposed to these facts, stated that the dog was used to keep children out of the field, but was not vicious. He admitted, however, that the pig screamed when the dog attacked it. His master was unable to use the injured hand in his business for ten, weeks. Verdict for the plaintiff, damages a OXFORD CIRCUI7'.-IVORCESTER, JULY 17. THE QUEEN AGAINST NICHOLAS HILL, JOSHUA BELL CLANK, WILLIAM WIIITEHOUSE, SAMUEL TAILOR, JOSHUA PIN.. FIELD, WILLIAM SANSOM, HENRY HILL, AND GEORGE WAKEMAN. This WAS an indictment for riot at Bromsgrove on the 14th of Feb. last, and for an assault then committed upon the Reverend Thomas Ban ington Geary Moore, curate of Bromsgrove. The proceedings grew out of a vestry squabble. The Jury found all the defendants Guilty, except White. house and Sansom. His LORDSHIP said that sentence would not be passed at the present time, but that the defendants m;glit be called upon hereafter to receive judgment. ACCIDENT FROM OMNIBUS RACING.— Thursday morning, about twelve o'clock, two omnibuses were racing in High Holborn, when the first one suddenly stopped, and the pole of the omnibus behind was driven with great force against the conductor, and forced in four of his ribs. He was conveyed to Aliddlesex Hospital in a deplorable condition. 11;PEHIAL PARLIAMENT. HO(J•~'F OF LORDS. JULY 19 The Royal Assent was given to-day, by Commission, to the Glass Duties Bill, the Brick Duties Bill, the Paper Duties Bill, the Jamaica Laws Bill, the Parochial Cure of Souls Bill, the Borough Courts (No. 2) Bill, the Bankrupt Liability Bill, the Borough Watch Rates Bill, the Newport Dock Bill, the Deptford Pier Bill, the South Eastern Railway (No. 2) Bill, the Northern arid Eastern Railway (No. 1) Bill, the Northern and Eastern Rail way (No. '2) Bill, the Deptford Pier Junction Rail way Bill, the Over Darwen Gas Bill, the Sidmouth im provement and Market Bill, the Patent White Lead Corn pany Bill, the Filtration Company Bill, the Black Quarry (or Anuisland) Road Bill, the Earl of Galloway's Estate Bill, Davies's Estate Bill Hall's Estate Bill, Marshall's Estate Bill, the Earl of Stamford's Estate Bill, Reading Corporation Estate BM, Pemberton's Divorce Bill, Mel lin's Divorce Bill, WeguAin's Divorce Bill, and Count de St. George's Naturalization Bill. The Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, the Marquis of Conyngham, and the Earl of Shaftesbury. The House resumed, when the LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at Five o'Clock. Lord RODEN presented petitions from Liverpool, and a great variety of places, against the Irish Corporation Bill. - The Earl of WICKLOW wished to remind the Noble and Learned Lord on the Woulsack of a pledge made by him last Session, that a Bill should be introduced in the course of the present Session, in reference to Ireland, similar to the Abolition of Imprisonment for Debt Bill in this coun try. He (the Noble Earl) had been anxiously looking for the introduction of such a Bill into the other House of Par liament, but lie had not been able to see anything of it set, and be hoped the Noble and Learned Lord would be able to say that before the termination of the Session such a Bill would be b"fore Parliament The LORD CHANCELLOR was understood to say that the Noble Earl could not be more anxious on this subject than he was himself, aid he had done every thing in his power to forwari such a Bill. Great difficulties had occurred, but an arrangement of the machinery was now going on, and he trusted that before the conclusion of the Sess►on the Bill would be in a state to be introduced. The Soap Duties Bill passed thr.ugh a Committee, and was ordered to be printed on Monday. Upon the motion of Lord DUNCANNON the Turn_ pike Continuation Bill was read a third time, and passed. The Highways' Rate ILturns Bill was read a third time and passed. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, presented a uetitien tr-m the ministers and eiders of the Pr.'sby terian Synod of Ulster assembled at Belfast, praying that P. e.byterian soldiers might be marched to Presbyterian places of worship. instead of the places of Roman Catholic worship, with Roman Catholic soldiers. The Noble Marquis said that there were not more loyal sub jects in existence than the petitioners on the present occa sion. Many petitions had already been presented on this sub ject, and it was highly desirable that her Majesty's Ministers should consider whether this request could be complied with in places where it might be convenient to comply with it. Perhaps it might be accomplished by the in troduction of a few words into the Mutiny Bill, or by some arrangement with the Commander-in-Chief. It was really very hard that Presbyterian soldiers, when they were ordered to go to Church, should not be allowed to go to that place which even prejudice might induce them t 9 prefer. Lord BROUGHAM bad been requested to support the pray er of this petition. He might not agree with some of the opinions of the petitioners, still their opinions, he was persuaded, were conscientiously entertained. He entirely agreed with the observations made by the Noble Marquis. The petition came from a body of persons who had been staunch supporters of the reigning family ever since they came to the throne, and the Noble Marquis had been well selected to present the petition, because he was a branch of one of the oldest and most distinguished Presbyterian families in the north of Ireland. The Marquis of DO WNSHIRE presented a petition from the servants of the Corporation of Dublin, praying for compensation and superannuation allowances in certain cases. The Noble Marquis would take this opportunity of ex pressing his high gratification at the information he had received, that the ancient custom of processions in the north of Ireland on the 12th of July had been aban doned. He had received accounts from many parts that the wish expressed by the Noble Lord at the head of the Irish Government that there should be no longer p rocess i ons or ex hib it i ons o n the anni versar y o f t h e battle of t h e B oyne , h a d b een met in a b ecom i ng sp i r i t on the p ar t o f t h e peop l e. —( H e ar, hear.) H e was par tieulerly gratified also to learn that it had not been necessary to order any troops to he marched into that part of Ireland, as had been the course adopted last year on the 12th of July. He could not help also congratulating the House and thecountry that in the county of Down, at the Summer Assizes this year, there were only 27 prisoners for trial. The Marquis of NORM AN B Y cordially partook in the gratification expressed by the Noble Marquis in reference to the facts he had stated; but be thought it but justice to the Lords' Justices, who were administering the Government in his absence last year, to state that it was their intention to have adopted the same course last year that was taken on this occasion, but for certain indiscreet proceedings which took place on the Ist of July, which induced them to change their course. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY gave notice that on Tuesday he would present petitions relative to the Es tablished Church in the Colonies, and perhaps move for papers, illustrating the subject. CRIME IN IRELAND—REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE. Lord \VHARNCLIFFE presented the Report of the Committee on crime and outrage in Ireland (a most weighty document), and stated that the Commit t ee bad thought it right to express n o opinion, but simply to re port the evidence. The CI.ERK read the report, which was as follows: " Your Committee have examined a considerable nurn ber of witnesses, and they think it desirable that the evi dence should be submitted to the House unaccompanied by any comment or oninion. - The late period of the Ses sion precluded the Committee from investigating some parts of the subject, most important for elucidating the real state of Ireland. In making their Report upon that part of the evidence now before them they beg to recom mend the whole to the serious attention of the House. It may be for the consideration of the House, whether the Committee shall resume their labours in the next Session. They also subjoin an Appendix to their Report." Lord BROUGHAM said, having attended this Com mittee, and taken a piirt in its di scuss i ons , h e f e lt i t hi s duty to bring bef ore their Lordships one portion of the Report. Ha was bound to express his sense of the ability, industry, and strict impartiality, which his Noble Friend (Lord Whartieliffe) h a d displayed in the chair of the Corn rnittee. They had originally intended to present a kind of abstract of the ev id ence, and when their Lordships re flected that there were near, 18,000 questions, 1,400 printed folio pages, there certainly would be great want of some such key. Various Noble Lords had, indeed, exe cuted portions of the abstract with great succinctness, but they found, that notwithstanding all their attempts at condensation, the length of the abstract would be far too protracted, and would have occupied them to the last day of the Session, so they gave it up. That part of the evi dence to which he felt it his duty to call the attention of the Howe was that which referred to the administration of justice—the most important point either in this, or any other case.—( Hear, hear.) lie would put into the hands of Noble Lords, as the most convenient course, a single folio page of reference to the pages (not to the questions) of the evidence, on which he meant to rely, scattered rs they were, all over this voluminous mass of documents. He now gave notice that on Tuesday next he should, unless his Noble and Learned Friend opposite (Lord Lyndhurst) who had attended the Committee, and ren dered much valuable assistance in the inquiry--unless his Noble and Learned Friend previously gave any notice on the subject, or wished to take it out of hi 3 hands; he (Lord Brougham) would on the day which he had named, the thirtieth of the present month, bring the question un der the consideration of the House. Lord L YN D H U R ST said he would take a part in the discussion when the Noble and Learned Lord brought the question forward. Lord H ATHERTON having taken part in the investi gation thought it right to say a word to their Lordships. He had no hesitation in stating that the Noble Chairman of that Committee had acted with a fairness and impartial.. ity which deserved the warmest commendation.—(Hear, hear.) He woold go further and say that the Noble Earl lett° had moved the appointment of the Committee—al though he (Lord Hatherton) had dissented from it—had displayed a courtesy and kindness, and a spirit of justice towards his opponents which entitled him to the praise of their. Lordship.. He -hoped - hla - Noble and Learned Friend would consider a littlo'beferer he caned the atter, ttod of their Lordships to the matter at so early early a day. The Report occupied 1,400 folio pages, a:hieh would not be in the hands of their Lordships before Monday week, and it would be impossible in the course of one week to comprehend all the bearings of the evidence. lie did not think there would be any advantageous result from discussing the question partially, and it was a ques tion with him whether it would not be much more judicious t& postpone it till nest Session. The Mr/lois of NOR MANB Y felt that it was his duty to say a 'word at the earliest moment. Ho was ready to give eneir Lordships the best explanation of any acts of his, et the same time he must observe, in corroboration of what had, been said by his Noble Friend behind him, that the w'nole of the evidence was entirely new to him, and it would be impossible for him to give his undivided attention to it between the time when it would be in his hands and the day fixed by the Noble and Learned Lord, He should be naturally desirous to refresh his memory upon many points, and find some vindication of his:conduct in those portions of the evidence to which his attention was not more immediately directed. Lord BROUGHAM said he would never have at tee pted to give a notice for the day he had mentioned if he had not understood that the evidence would be in their Lordship's hands on Monday next. But their Lordships 'would recollect that the evidence had been in print any Time for the last three weeks , with the exce p t i on o f th i e g might have thez dozen copy or which he (Lord B roug h am ) h ad re ferred t o , an d h e doubted not that if h td e n) abundant rea sons s ixteen pages. The N o bl e M arqu i s snapplied thought h o t the h e Clerk of the Committee he would procure a copy. But i aern e he oul d should gi ve hisalterNoblehisFriend day ( altogether,Lord H why he thought there was ample time to discuss the matter during the present Sevion. When a Committee made a Report extending to 1,400 folio pages, with index or reference, it could only tend to contuse and perplex one to wade through it. His opinion, therefore, undoubt edly was that those Noble Lords who understood anything of the matter should give the others, who did not, the means of understanding the evidence, and no means was so important or adva etageous as discussin g Hear, hear.) He would also of iserve that it was important ad concerned the Noble Marquis, that the subject should be discussed during the present Session; because it was manifest that in the course of the long vacation that Report would be made use of in other quarters, and charges founded upon it brought against the Noble Marquis. 1 He by no means said that he was goins , to n ake any crimi. natory charge again s t th e N o bl e Marquis a or any other , person ; he had no hesitation in saying that his met on would be in the shape of a prospective Resolution. In the course of the discussion a different course might be taken ; all he undertook for was the nature of his own motion ; he did not intend to make any charge crimina tory of any individual, it might be the system which be felt called upon to condemn—certainly that would be his course with reference to the administration of justice. During the last three weeks he had most carefully gone through the evidence, and he could say that there were not above forty pages which any Noble Lord need read, in order to glean all that was connected with that subject. He trusted the evidence would be in their Lordships' hands early next week, and he would fix his motion for Monday fortnight. Lord RODEN was very glad that the course which he had felt it to be his duty to pursue, had received the ap probation of the Noble and Learned Lord and other Peers. He had taken that course without any political obj-ct, or being in any way influenced by party feeling. He was actuated only by a desire to bring before the country, what was the state in which that part of the empire was with which he was connected ; he was very happy to receive the approbation of the Noble Baron. He could not help saying that the conduct of the Noble Lord, and others in the Committee, had given him very great satis faction, and made him regret that he had not sooner be come acquainted with them. He trusted the great mass of the country would make themselves acquainted with the evidence on the table. He was highly gratified that the Noble Lord intended to take the course of which he had given notice. With respect to the evidence, he knew that a motion was made in the Committee, and no one opposed it, that a copy of the evidence should be daily furnished to the Noble Marquis, as they were anxious that their pro ceedings should be open. The Marquis of WESTMEATH—It was a matter of notoriety that many Members of the House were out of town. He thought it would be found that there were enough of copies printed to furnish each of their Lordships with one. Lord WHA RNCLIFFE said there were not more copies printed than served the Committee. He hoped something would be done to expedite the printing, and that they should soon be in the hands of Noble Lords. There were many more subjects than the one named by the Noble and Learned Lord. Lord BROUGHAM did not mean for a moment to say that there were not many more subjects for discussion. Of course it was open to any Noble Lord to bring any part of the evidence before the House which he pleased. Toe Earl of RADNOR thought it %you'd be totally impossible for Noble Lords who knew resthing of the pro ceedings of the Committee to make themselves master of such a volume in the limited time proposed. It was very well for those Noble Lords who had heard all the evi dence, but those who had not could not be expected to make themselves masters of the subject in the time men tioned by the Noble and Learned Lord. Lord BROUGHAM said this was an unprecedented debate. He had given notice of a motion, and no one had a right to aster his intention, and in the other House, where they had some little regard for order, this debate would not have been allowed to go on for five seconds of time.—( Laughter.) If there was any one Noble Lord mere than another who had no right to make the observa tions, it was the Noble Lord himself; for whose fault was it that he did not know the whole of the proceedings ? He was named on the Committee.—( Lord Wharncliffe_" I named him.") What right then had lie to complain that he knew nothing about it.—( Hear.) He would appeal to those Noble Loris who attended the Committee whether the examination on his (L ,rd Brougham's) part had not been conducted with the utmost fairness.—( Hear, hear.) He would venture to say that the most severe cross-exami nation was administered to the witness called to impeach the conduct of the Noble Marquis, and he would appeal to their Lordships whether the truth could have been elicited if that cross-examination had not been as rigorous as it was. The Noble Lord said that twelve days were not sufficient to examine the evidence, but this was entirely a mistake, for the administration of justice was confined to a very narrow compass.—( Hear, hear.) The real object now in view was to drive him (Lord Brougham) over the long vacation, but he would not be driven over it.--(Cheers.) During the whole of the inquiry, no objection had been made to any course taken by those who defended the Government. Mr. Drummond had a week or ten days given him to revise and correct his evidence, and would indeed have left several very important points for the defence unexplained, had it not been for his ( Lord I Brougham's) suggestions. To Mr. Drummond, there fore, he confidently appealed as to his thorough impar tiality, and he now proceeded to give judgment against his Noble Friend, and pronounce that there should be no postponement beyond Monday fortnight—( Hear.) The Earl of RADNOR explained. He did not mean to accuse his Noble and Learned Friend of partiality in the Committee, but certainly his Noble and Learned Friend had expressed a very strong opinion, upon the appointment of the Committee, on one side of the question. Earl FITZWILLIAM wished to know whether his Noble and Learned Friend, after having rrilde the motion of which he had given notice, intended to throw over board the rest of the evidence? or whdther he meant to reserve the remainder till next Session ?—(The Noble Earl sat close behind Lord Brougham, and as the latter Noble and Learned Lord was rising, said familiarly, " Come, now, what do you mean to do upon that ?" Laughter. ) Lord BROUGHAM—My Lords, certainly the last question is clear enough—( A laugh)—and the answer will be equally so—that my motion will refer to the adniinis trotion of justice; and that I do not intend to advert to any other part of the evidence, thinking that this is by far the most important point—as to the rest, in deed there may be doubt. With regard to what my Noble Friend calls in figurative language " throwing overboard," I cannot do it if I would : there stands the Report—some persons, perhaps, would like to throw it overboard to lighten the ship, I shall not. —( A laugh. ) ,t The Marquis of NORMANBY was anxious it should be understood that he wished not to decline or di•fer the inquiry one day longer than Noble Lords would find it convenient, to muster the evidence which would be re ferred to.—(" Hear, hear," from Lord Brougham.) He also wished to say, that he certainly did not understand the Noble and Learned Lord to have any intention of bringing a criminal charge against him.--(" Certainly not," from Lord Brougham.) Lord PORTMAN thought there would be abundance of time given by the Noble and Learned Lord's notice, to consider the evidence on the subject. Lord ELLENBOROUGH expressed a hope that the discussion would be limited strictly to the practical admi nistration of justice.—( Hear.) Lord BROUGHAM thought the debate would natu- • rally fall into the channel to which be should confine it, namely, to the administration of justice. Earl FITZWILLIAM doubted if his Noble and Learned Friend, with all his ability, would be able to keep every Noble Lord strictly to one topic. He wished to sug gest to his Noble and Learned Friend— Lord BROUGHAM—No, no—its of no use. Earl FITZ WIL LIAM said he was afraid it was of no use. His Noble and Learned Friend had very often in private told him that he (the Noble Earl) was the most obstinate man:in existence—(" Hear, hear," from Lord Brougham and others, and much laughter)—and certainly he had little hope of diverting his Noble and Learned Friend from the course he had chalked out for himself to pursue, but he certainly could not believe that it would be possible for his Noble and Learned Friend to confine the House in the manner he proposed • nay, he did not believe it would be possible for Noble and Learned Friend to confine himself, when once he got upon the subject, within the limits he had prescribed.—( Heat.) Lord WHARNCLIFFE wished the House to under. stand, that though his Noble and Learned Friend might bring the subject before the House in the confined manner in which he now proposed, yet that he (the Noble Lord) should take some other opportunity of bringing forward some other matters connected with the Report. Lord STEWART did not think it would be just to wards the Noble Marquis late at the head of the Irish Go vernment, or to .her Majesty's Government, to deal with the subject in the way now proposed. The whole and not a part ought to be brought forward at one time. The Noble and Learned Lord had said he should adopt a course which should not involve a criminator point; but was that the course intended to be taken by Noble Lords on the other side of the House? Did they not conceive that that was the weak point? Lord ELLENBOROUGH—No. Lord STE WART would say yes. He had had con versation with many of that party, and he had been told by them that this was the fire in which they were heating red-hot balls, with which they meant to attack her Majesty's Government. They thought that the Irish Government was the weak point, though he did. not think so, at which ther-nicsimr-toewettairk*mhee-afejeitty". -Government. fiis Noble relative, the Chairman of that Committee, whose impartiality was so universally admitted, would best dis charge his duty by bringing the whole matter forward on the night for which the Noble and Learned Lord had given notice. The Marquis of WESTMEATH—I don't think the balls are a bit hotter on this subject than they are on, every other.—(Laughter.) The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from a place in Somersetshire, praying for a penny postage. BILLS OF EXCHANGE BILL (SECOND BILL). Upon the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNE the Bills of Exchange Bill (Second Bill), to which a clause proposed by Lord Ashburton, which was not ob jected to, but the nature of which could not be heard in the gallery, was added_was read a third time and passed. SHERIFFS' BILL. Lord LANSDOWNE moved for leave that this Bill be read a first time, which was accordingly done. Lord LYNDHURST gave notice that be should move that the Election Trials Bill should be committed on Tuesday ; then he should make biz statement. On the motion of the Marquis of NORMANBY the India Courts Bill was read a aecond time. _ On the reception of the Report of the Scotland Prisons Bill, The Earl of GALLOWAY gave notice that he should move an amendment to the effect, that the chaplain to a prison should be a minister or licentiate of the Established Church. STANNARY COURTS' BILL Lord FALMOUTH moved that the House go into Committee on this Bill, which had for its object to assess tin mines for the support of this Court. as other minerals were assessed, to reform the Court, and to increase its power to punish frauds. As the tin mines were relieved last year from certain imports, it was but fair that they should now pay lik e ot h er m i nes in aid of those Courts. The Bill had already passed the other House, and it had her Majesty's concurrence. Their Lordships went into Committee on the Bill. It went thrbugh, and was reported upon. SUPREME COURTS' (SCOTLAND) BILL. The Report on this Bill was brought up, and certain amendments were proposed by the LORD CHANCEL LOR, and agreed to. The Scotland Bankrupts Sequestration Bill went through Committee, and the Report will bo received on Monday. Their Lordships then adjourned at Half-past Seven 0 Clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Juzr 19. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. and was immediately summoned to the House of Lords, to hear the Royal Assent given to several Bills, for which see Lords' report. Air. Crider presented returns from the Treasury.l; nut.Es OF WARWICK GAOL. _ _ Mr. HA WE S moved for a copy of the rules of Warwick gaol which was ordered. Sir E. WILMOT said he had written to the Magi strates, requesting them to make an investigation into the statements of the petition presented last night, and expected to receive their report on Monday. Mr. HAVES trusted that it would be laid before the House. Sir E. WILMOT replied that it would. DANISH CLAIMS. Mr. Fl UTT wished to know the reason why no answer had been laid before the House to the address to her Ma jesty on the subject of the Danish claims? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re plied, in a very low tone of voice, that orders had been given to c a rry into effect the wishes of the House as expressed in that address, but if the Hon. Gentleman wisl:ed plainly and distinctly to understand what had Leen done, he had better move for a copy of these orders. Mr. HUTT—Then, Sir, I move at once that a copy of these orders be laid before this House.--Ordered. COLLECTION OF RATES. Mr. PARKER wished to ask the Noble Lord when the Collection of Rates Bill would he again laid on the table of the House, and also whether it was his intention altoge ther to strike out from the Bill the second clause, or whe ther it was intended to retain it in the Bill in its present state. If considerable alteration were not made in it he would be under the necessity of moving an amendment. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that it was not his in. tention to proceed with the present Bill, but it was bis intention to ask for leave to bring in a Bill to provide more effectually for the relief of the poor. That Bill would be a new one, and would not contain those provisoes that were particularly objected to. He would take care that Km. Members should know what the provisions of the Bill were upon the second reading. Mr. SANFORD postponed the Small Tenements Bill to the next Session. BRITISH LEGION. Captain BOLDERO wished to put a question to the Noble Lord at the head of the Home Dlaartment, rela• tivc to the unfortunate men who had formed the British Legion. It would be recollected that, in the course of the last Session, it had been stated that proceedings had been taken for the purpose of liquidating their claims, he w shed therefore now to know what steps had been taken since that period with respect to so desirable an object, and what probability there was that the claims of those individuals would be finally settled? Lord J. RUSSELL said that to answer the question of the Hon. and Gallant Member would require him to go into considerable detail. He thought it would be better, therefore, for the Gallant Member to reserve the question till the Noble Lord the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs was in his place, as he was more acquainted with the details than he was. He would now take the opportunity of stating what course he in tended to pursue with respect to the business to be pro ceeded with in the present and the next week. He had thought it to be his duty yesterday to move the further consideration of the Summary Jurisdiction Bill in Com mittee, but considering the length of time that it took last night, and would probably take when it came on 'again, he did not see that there was any probability of carrying the measure into a law in the course of the present Session; it was, therefore, not his intention to proceed further with it at present. To-morrow he should proceed with the Poor-law Continu ance Bill, and on Monday it was the intention of his Right Hon. Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, to bring in his Bill relative to the alteration in the Postage, and afterwards to go into the Committee of Supply. On Wednesday his Right Hon. Friend would bring forward the question relative to the Bank of Ireland, and if that question should be disposed of in time, then he would pro ceed with the Committee of Supply. Mr. HUME said he bad understood the discussion on the Bank of Ireland had been fixed for Monday, and now it appeared it was to be deferred. He wished to know when the discussion would really take place. Mr. PA K INGTON wished to ask if the Sale of Beer Bill or the Committee of Supply would have precedence on Monday. _ • LorcIJOHN RUSSELL said the Committee of Sup ply would come on before the Sale of Beer Bill. In answer to a question from Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET, Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he did not propose to introduce any clauses in the Poor-law Continuation Bill reletive to the subject of bastardy. He intended to pro ceed with that Bill to-morrow, and would make any al teration the subject of a separate Bill. An HoN. MEMBER asked if the Noble Lord intended to embody the 91st and 92d clauses of the Summary Jurisdic tion Bill into a separate measure, as he thought it was ne cessary for the protection of Magistrates ? Lord JOHN RUSSELL did not intend to take any further steps with regard to tbat measure. Lord ASHLEY wished to know if the Noble Lord intended to proceed with the Factory Bill this Session, and complained of the delays which had taken place in the progress of that measure. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said when that Bill was in Committee an alteration was made in one of the clauses by a majority of two—( A laugh)—a majority for which he had a very great respect—( Renewed laughter)—which rendered it necessary to remudel the Bill. He should, therefore, move that it be committed pro . forma to-morrow, and next week he should be enabled to bring forward the amended measure. Lord A S HL E Y wished to know, if the Act were to be proceeded with, should it not be brought forward before the 25th ? Mr. POULETT THOMSON thought the Noble Lord was not correct in attributing the delay which had taken place to the Government. An alteration had been made in it by the House, which had imposed on the Go vernment the necessity of consulting with several persons, and hence the delay had originated, for which the Govern ment could not be considered blameable. An HON. MEMBER asked if it was the intention of the Government to bring in a Bill prohibiting the unlawful carrying of arms? No ar.swer was returned to this question. Mr. HUME complained that no answer had been re turned to his question. Lord J. RUSSELL had understood that an arrange ment had taken place between the Hon. Gentleman and his Right Hon. Friend, Mr, HUME had a letter of that Right Hon. Gentle. man's in his possession, fixing Monday; all he wanted was not to be left loose, as he was at present.—( A laugh.) It was ultimately agreed that the discussion should come on on Monday. Captain BOLDER() said that, on going into the Com mittee of Supply, he should bring forward the claims of the British Legion. INLAND WAREHOUSING BILL. Petitions were presented against this Bill from Hull, by Mr. HUTT ; and from Liverpool, by Lord SANyoN. Mr. POULETT THOMSON, in moving- that the Speaker do leave the Chair, would offer a few observations on the principle of the : Bill. At present the Treasury possessed the power of extending the warehousing system upon the recommendation of the Commissioners of Cus toms, to all ports. A difficulty had arisen as to the mean ing of the word port, and to obviate this difficulty the pre sent measure had been brought forward, empowering the Lords of the Treasury to extend the warehousing sj stem to inland towns. The revenue would suffer no damage by this alteration. France aed Germany had adopted the system sought to be established by this Bill to the fullest extent ; and it was, only in England the system of permitting towns inland, as well as towns on the coast, to enjoy the advantages of bonding had not been adopted. —(Hear, hear.) He knew opposition to the Bill would come from the ports, because they thought their exclusive advantage would be somewhat diminished by this Bill, but he hoped no such motive would be allowed to prevail in that House. It was not the duty of the House to protect the interests of one class against another, and they pos sessed no vested interests on which they could pretend to sat up the claim that their fellow-subjects should be de. prived of the advantage to which they were so justly c.iti. tied. The system propoEgi by the Bill was this. Ile did not mean to piopose that parties transferring goods from a poet to an inlatei town should have the opportunity of bonding their goods at an inland town subject to all the allowances which were made in the watch, uses at the ports, but he proposed that the weights and measures should be taken at the port, and that the duty should be paid on the weights and measures as thus fixed when the eoods were taken out of the bond at the inland towns. By that t ere would be no insecurity to the revenue, and little or no increase of expense to the Customs department, because the method of teissing good=, under accounts thus rendered, would be so simple as to re quire the presence of but one or two officers, and those sub ordinate. He (Mr. P. Thomson) had heard there bad ' had been a considerable canvass made on the subject of this Bill, and there had been a canvass going on for the• town he bad the honour of representing, but be differed from his constituents, because the shortness of the inArney from Liverpool to Manchester, and the facility of communi cation between those towns was such that he did not believe the Bill would be of great advantage to Manchester. But he thought it would be of great advantage to other townm that were more inland, such as Birmingham, Sheffiecd, Leeds, Halifax, and ea on. He wished the Bill to be_ uset,d- cussed on its own merits—he did not believe th e . _ would allow the interest of the ports toprevail l i g a l in c 'e t' o t in he . Bill, and he hoped they would allow it to go mittee. b r o L ti o g r h d t S fo A rw N a p rPa N t a re n g e re a t r t l e ie d r is th s e ubject would be more properly conveyed cause the views he by enterta m in o e v d ing on o t a h t Bill be ref erre d tptirsiosdutOifetehte hadn9t Session, been to a Select Committee. He hoped the House would take ample time to consider before they itteda principle which would tend to disturb the immense property vested in warehouses in seaport towns. The Right Hon. Gentleman had referred to foreign countries but in fo reign countries there was a system of security for the transit of goods, which he hoped never to see introduced into England—a system of passports and examination at tne gates of fortified towns ; and notwithstanding what had been stated by the Right Hon. Gentleman he (Lord Sandon) thought the revenue would suffer materially if this system were adopted. Another objection he had to this 1111 was that it would have the effect of aggregating large quantities of valuable goods in inland towns which might be subject to insurrection. Many of his constituents. eminent mercantile men, considered the measure futile and useless, and if he were rightly informed the Revenue Board were opposed to the Bill. He should therefore move es an amendment that the Bill be committed that day three mon:bs. Sir W. JAMES seconded the amendment. Mr. BROTHERTON said this measure would ein doubtedly be advantag eous to Manchester and Salfo r d e b ut it ought to be c a r r i e d into effect without any risk or lokiI:b the revenue. He conceived the request to be a reasottahle one, and trusted the House would grant the privilege. Sir F. TRENCH believed that the revenue would not bo secure if the plan was carried into execution. Parties ought not to be defrauded of the rights which they bad possessed for so long a time. In the transmission of goods from seaports to inland towns it was impossible •thet the revenue should not be injured. Mr. LASCELLES was in favour of the Bill, and trusted that at some future time restrictions of this nature would be still further removed, Mr. F. H. BERKELEY said, that by the plan now proposed, the interests of a great number of persons would be sacrificed, to what, at the best, was only a doubtful boon; and the House ought to be cautious how it pro ceeeed to legislate on this subject. It was said that this was a monopoly, and ought to be put down. He was opposed to all monopolies.—(Hear, hear.) But he con sidered there were m any subjects which o u ght t o b e con sidered before they ietsrfered with private property, by which great injury would be inflicted on individuals. Mr. A. CHAPMAN contended that the measure now proposed would be very injurious to the seaports ; and he also objected to the patronage which it would confer on the Government by the appointment of officers. Sir W. JAMES objected to the introduction of so im portant a measure at so late a period of the Session, when the parties who were deeply interested, h a d not t i me to make their representations to the Board of Trade. The argument of the Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool as to vested rights he conceived to be per fectly unanswerable. He was convinced that proper se curity would not be given to the revenue in the transit cf goods, and for these reasons should oppose the Bill. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, on bebalfof his con stituents, returned thanks to the lion. Member the Presi dent of the Board of Trade, for bringing in this Bill. Edinburgh was considered a seaport, but it was excluded from the benefits which seaports enjoyed, in consequence of the river not running up to that city. Was it there fore to be debarred from the privileges which Leith en. joyed ? All towns ought to be put on one footing, and he trusted this was only a step towards giving free trade to every part of the country. Mr. HOPE said, although considerable weight at tached to the arguments used in favour of the mea ure, yet considering the large interests involved and the great doubts expressed by those whose opinions were entitled to the greatest weight, he thought that at this late period of the Session the measure ought not to be pressed forward with this undue haste, but an opportunity ought to have been afforded of investigating the subject before a Select Committee. He should sup port the amendment of the Noble Lord. Mr. M. PHILLIPS supported the Bill. A great deal had been said of vested interests, but be would just men tion one fact to show that no very great apprehensions were entertained on this point. About three months ago a discussion took place in the Town Council of Liverpool, as to whether they should erect new warehouses. This very circumstance must make it perfectly clear that they were still short of warehouse accommodation, and that if there was a transfer from Liverpool to the interior, there was still business to fill the warehouses. The duties paid at Liverpool amount to four millions an nually, and Manchester paid two millions of this sum an nually, and it was but right that the merchants and manu facturers should have controul over the produce in which their capital was invested. Why should the merchants of Manchester be compelled to bond in Liverpool, or those of Yorkshire in Hull, and thus be subjected to additional charges ? He thought this Bill was likely to benefit the mercantile interests generally, .and he should therefore support it. The Noble Lord had stated that by having property warehoused in inland towns, it would be liable to be destroyed by any popular commotion ; he was sorry the Noble Lord had such a bad opinion of the manufacturing districts, but the present system did not altogether do away with this danger, as the enormous destruction of pro perty which took place at Bristol during the riots there would prove. Lord SA NDON explained. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT thought this discussion had been a valuable one, inasmuch as it tended to show that the subject was much more extensive then had at first been supposed. He thought they should proceed with caution where so large an amount of property was in terested, and that this Bill had been brought forward at too late a period of the Session. It ought to be referred to I a Committee up stairs to ascertain the facts. Mr. H urr said that every one who had considered the subject, whatever opinion he might adopt, must agree that this was a question which would place in jeopardy large parcels of property, and that, therefore, it was a subject which should be approached with caution and consideration. He was sure his Right Hon. Friend, however much be might feel convinced of the soundness of the principle, must also feel that this was a subject not to be approached in a spirit of carelessness or of indifference. He therefore must say, that in the month of July, and with such Houses as generally assembled at that period, the Bill was intro duced under circumstances that were not likely to ensure for it the consideration which was due to it. He hoped his Right Hon. Friend would withdraw his Bill for the pre. ( sent Session—( No, no)—and introduce it early next Sea. sioa, so that it could be referred to a Committee up stairs, who would have an opportunity of investigatinp, all the . circumstances of the case. He was convinced that the adoption of such a course by his Right Hon. Friend, would be much fairer than pressing the Bill, awl one more likely on reflection to give satisfaction to his upright and hon ourable mind. Mr. WARBURTON said the necessity of legislating at all in this matter, arose front the imposition of high duties, and if they were lessened, the inland towns would have their fair share of commerce, which was all this could give them. He looked upon the fears of the merchants and warehouse proprietors of the seaports as utterly chi merical ; and with regard to the argument of vested rights, it was utterly futile, and might as well have been urged by the shareholders of the London and West India Docks, against the formation of the St. Katherine Docks. He represented a seaport which possessed the privilege of bonding, but be should be ashamed of himself, if that pre vented his doing an act of justice, and supporting this Bill. Mr. H. HINDE said that when so large an amount of capital was invested, great caution was requisite before interfering with it; and as yet they had no information as to the bearings of the Bill, cr as to the mode of carrying it into effect. He was exceedingly jealous of the discre tionary given to the Treasury, of bestowing this boon on one town in preference to another, as he knew that every successive Government had abused the power they at pre sent possessed, of granting to individuals the right to bond, with great unfairness. Mr. PRYME rose, amidst loud cries of " Divide, divide." He imagined the real question to Le, Would t this measure benefit one class more than it would injure j another? Not thinking that it would do so, and being of opinibn that it would injure the revenue also, he should - I oppose the Bill. Mr. F. BARING said if the Hon. Gentleman oppo site would state any instance of abuse of the power of granting individuals the right of warehousing, the Trea sury weuld direct an investigation into the facts. Mr. H. 11 INDE explained. Mr. BAINES supper ed the motion for the Bill going into Committee. The bonding system was ono from which great advantage had beea.deiived, and the only question was, whether it should be extended over.the whole I country. He believed that extension would effect great good, and he should therefore give it his support. Mr. DARBY opposed the Bill going into a Com- i mitten of the whole House, believing it would be much better considered in a Select Committee. Mr. HINDLEY supported the Bill. Sir E. KNATCHBULL protested against the course that had been pursued by the Government in pressing on at the present period of the Session, a measure of such vast importance. He considered is most unjust towards thfise vhose interests were to be interfered with by the Bill. He should oppose the further proceeding of the Bill, because ho looked with great distrust upon any ; measure brought in by the Government with respect to the Customs at so late a period of the Session. Mr. P. THOM SON defied the Hon. Baronet te point out a single instance in %hide the Government of which be was a Member had every displayed partiality on a question re- I specting the Customs. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided. when the numbers were— For the amendment 39 Ag:tinst it lO2 Msjority Th h e a l i i r. ouse thou melt into Cowi , tee, Mr BERNAL in the c Atter a few words from Mr. Hume and Mr. W. ATT WOOD, the Bill went through Committee, and was ordered to be read a third time tomorrow (this day). CATHEDRAL AND ECCLESIASTICAL PREFERMENTS. Lord J. RUSSELL moved the third reading of the Cathedral and Ecclesiastical Preferments . BilL f h iibc . d peocrert, ooeadvmesil dignities . fi n t,ov t iln r ati o nisee d aas u ons a e ft t o atha n ner doorsmeatsivadsei aforesaid being : suc h . ea . no n i t iri o e ri s, udh P i r cb e hy b i of I‘ ' 1.1; And eAh Ghe he ii i i ii r a° e d a N s gß c i : Ye s t n ,m, s in iti i n iad nl y o es vt , lessees . of .proper b e l ong i ng to nma:iii%daLuaring, the continuance of this Act, have been and ma y be dep rive d Act., life or li ve and om f ig th h i t s h A a c v t e . boafdththee m m e e a a n n s s o o f f ob o t b a t i a n i i n n i g ng th i e f : h u e . melon of a ves on the renewal of thei r leases, a s epi which ii they n trneras to such canonries, prebends, and dignities, had not been or were not to be suspended by the said re cited Acts and by this Act ; and whereas it is reasonable in such cases, during such suspension, to provide for the continuance of such leases, and to place such lessees, as nearly as is practicable, in the same situation as they would be in it such appointments had not been or were not to be suspended as aforesaid : Be it enacted, That the Ecclesiastical Commissioners for England shall, upon the application of the lessee of any messuages, lands, tithes, or other hereditaments, being the separate property of or belonging to any such vacant canon, prebend, or dignity, if in the case of lease for lives one or more of the persons for whose lives the same was held on the 4th day of Febru ary 1835, he dead, or if in the case of a lease for years the i or f period e shall hold e h r a o r f e s u e c l elapsed canon,sd a w.hich prebend,it w o o r u I d dignity,bee l i e f w t t h u e same had not been vacant, to insert a life or l ivesrenewa. re new such lease, to insert a life or lives or grant tait of finest of such lease in like manner, and en the been life or lives, or OR s in each instance, on the insertion of a ma be. t s o am b e e t e e a r l n c l u s ' aatnedd conditions, i e o nssa,mshave principle and p h : r s e u rn t b o c j f e o e r t e t o usedt e the renewal of such leases, as th h e , such e n : i r s e e s t snetehsyi any y c t greatercontained r would have had, or would eh all P le r e ov c i o d n e s d t ru al e ' d had not been, or were not to have, if such apeoinancr! ! ..„ other powers or rights be, suspended as aforesaid cleave RUSSELLhaving fore t been he tiw brought uotutaled nt ta up, obje somect to the Blau e, statue that there was a general opinion when the mca. at always, s 'g v h e a h s n a tto th n e ° • sure was . • such clause was I required. His own opinion, however, was azienst it, as Tlohred J. ITITEIN G EDITION. THE SUN. LONDON, SATURDAY, JULY 20. 1839. ti:VVNTNG EDITION