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TAR STN, LONDON, TIT not the Roman Catholic merchants in Dublin have an opportunity of having their sons educated at Trinity College, Dublin. The Roman Catholics were quite con tented that so much should be reserved for the Protestant Clergy as was necessary ? Why not open twenty sche larships to the Roman Catholics in Trinity College, and provide endowments which should be also open to them ? He had taken this opportunity of offering a few sugges tions to the Government, because he was really anxious that the Bill should succeed. His present impression was, that if this Bill w as enac ted in its present form it would prove a nullity. They must remember that the Bishops of Ireland were chosen by the people, and en joyed perfect confidence, and whatever they recommended was to be considered as an exposition of the opinions of the Catholics of Ireland. He should have thought that they had had sufficient experience in the Charter school, not to mention other analogous cases, of attempting to govern schools independent of that opinion. If they proceeded on their present principle, they might as well withdraw the Bill altogether. Lord Stanley had given them a system of poor-law, which was carried against the wishes of the Irish Members, and it ultimately proved a failure. He should like to see the Government doing justice to Ireland by consulting the opinions and the feelings of her people. Sir JAMES GRAHAM said he had hoped the Bill would have been allowed to go into Committee without any more discussion on its general principles. The Hon. Member admitted the necessity for a measure of this kind, and, therefore, he (Sir James Graham) con sidered the best course would have been for him to allow the Bill to go into Committee, and when there to consider what amendments were necessary for the efficiency of the Bill. He was not prepared to say that he was opposed to all the amendments pro posed by the Hon. Member, though he would beg t a o ob serve that the principles involved in them had been fully discussed both by the Noble Lord the Member for Lon don, another Noble Lord (Lord Mahon), and other Members who had suggested alterations and amend ments. The Hon. Gentleman pecused the Government of corrupting the minds of the people of Ireland. But he had such an opinion of the importance of diffusing general intelligence that he believed there could be no greater means of preventing their corruption. The reli gious education of the students was not neglected. It was provided for, first s under the care of the parents themselves ; secondly, under the care of the persons selected by the parents or guardians ; and, thirdly, by the heads of the Halls, who would be chosen by the professors, subject to the approbation of the Crown. With respect to the representation of the Right Rev. Prelates, since that was made several amendments had been made in the Bill. The colleges were intended for secular education, and that only. Religious instruction was not to be given there. Mr. O'CONNELL said he would not retard the House by expressing his sentiments, and thought it would be useless to do so after the declaration of the Right Hon. Baronet. He agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet in thinking the House ought not to submit to the dictation of any body of persons, however respectable, and how ever honourable. "What signified the expenditure of money,and the appointment of professors, if they did not attend to the advice of the Right Rev. Prelates, the Bill would not succeed. The Right Hon. Baronet said the Bill had been much altered. He was in possession of the opinion of those prelates, which showed that the alterations made had created no change in their minds. The lion. and Learned Gentleman then read a letter dated Maynooth College, June 26, from Archbishop M'Hale, which set forth the unanimous opinion of the Prelates as to the immoral and irreligious tendenc,y of the Bill remaining unaltered. Some of the prelates were of opinion that they should petition Par liament, taking the memorial already published as a model for such petition, but subse quently agreed not to do so, in consequence of the disrepect with which the opinions of the Prelates had been already treated in Parliament.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Rev. Prelate further described the Bill as a heinous and revolting act, and again mentioned that the opinion of the Prelates expressed in the memorial re mained unaltered. The Bill (continued the Hon. and Learned Gentleman) was justly considered as a tempta tion to youth to neglect their duty, which they owed to the first principles of religion. Some words in the letter might be too strong, but it was, at all events, characteristic of the strong feeling which the Bill had created in Ireland. The object of its promoters was of course success, and how could they expect success when the opinions of two- thirds of the people of Ireland were in strong opposition to it. His object was to obtain re ligious as well as secular instruction for the people. This the Bill had not done, and therefore he objected to it. They had positively done nothing by these alterations. They had to be sure, given permission to enact a Bill for religious purposes, but this provision was only negative, for, according to the decision of Lord Chan cellor Sugden, that power existed already. The law w as quite settled on that point. There was no longer any doubt but Catholics might endow schools and convents, as the Right Hon. Baronet had said. This measure propagated darkness; common charity would be promoted best by giving each sect instruction in their own religion ; let them give one hall for theology to the Roman Catholic, another to the Protestant, and another to the Presbyterian, but as now arranged they left all in original darkness, and defeated their own intentions. The Protestants comprised the wealthiest in Ireland, and the present measure virtually allowed wealth to triumph over religious poverty by leaving endowment to voluntary bounty. He should take one division on an early clause, not from any hope of success, but be cause he felt that he should have dune his duty to his conscience and his country. He pretested against the measure, because he regarded it as totally irreligious, and giving a one-handed permission to darkness and irreligion. Lord J. RUSSELL considered the observations of the Learned Member for the county of Cork of the greatest importance, accompanied as they were by the opinions of the R , man Catholic prelates. He could not go the length of designating the measure a penal enact ment, but thought seine weight should be attached to the observation of it being dangerous to faith and morals, and certainly if posed in opposition to the wish of the hierarchy of Ireland, it would not at least be useful. He should not oppose its going into Cones mittee ; in that stage it might possibly be amended, but if it came out of Committee with the stigma unremoved, he thought the Bill ouelit not to be sent over to Ireland. One othe r provision he considered very objectionable—he meant that of the appointment of professors ; but as amendments on that subject would be subsequently pro posed, he should reserve any further remarks till ,that period. The House then went into Committee on the Bill. On the first clause being read, proposing that 100,0001. be appropriated for the erection of three colleges, appor tioned in sums of 33,3331. 6s. Bd. respectively, Lord J. RUSSELL rose to move an amendment. He moved that in line 17 of the clause, the words be inserted " including the building of the halls hereinafter men tioned," and that they leave out the words " not exceed ing 33,3331. 6s. Bd. for each such college." Sir J. GRAHAM opposed the amendment as decidedly at variance with the principle of the Bill. It would be introducing the principle of religious education as a part of the scheme if they allowed this provision to be intro duced into the Bill. He therefore decidedly objected to what the Noble Lord propose‘l. He considered that the 100,000/. would be little enough for the other purposes f - if the Bill, without applying any of it as the Noble Lord desired. If it was the opinion of the House a discretionary power might be invested in the trustees, but the amend ment was at variance with the principle of the Bill. Mr. 4VYSE said that he differed from the Right Hon. Baronet as to the principle of the Bill. There was no necessity for considering the halls and the colleges as bound on the same principle, for they were indeed essentially different. If it was objected that no grant could bo made for religious instruction in the halls, yet that objection was overruled in the colleges. If the governing body of the colleges were not worthy of the confidence of the Catholic community, then indeed the objection might be made, but if it were, though he should object to the supremacy of one governing body over the proceedings of another as being incompatible with that supremacy which ought to be held in each, yet, under the circumstances, he did not see that the auendment was opposed to the principle of the Bill, and iMas entitled to his support. Mr. Sergeant MURPHY thought that any aid con tributed out of the public purse would be contingent on any contributions of the nighbourhood. Sir R. PEEL said that the Government had made a much more liberal provision, for they had proposed that 100,000/. should be appropriated to the erection of colleges, halls, and other edifices, but without the appropriation of any portion for the residorces of the professors. Yet they would not refuse any aid for the secular instruction of the youth sent to these colleges, and it would be un reasonable to refuse the same aid for the religious instruction of the pupil s . Th e y were rea d y t o rece i ve these contributions for the endowment of these halls, and they were quite ready to allow the use of the pulpits in those halls to the clergy of th e C at h o li c b o d y. — ( H ear, hear.) The object was not to conciliate the Catholic body, but to adjust the respective claims of the several parties. Was it not then reasonable to say the Roman Catholics, the Presbyterians, and th e I n d epen d ents should provide for their own religious instruction? Th e y were willing to provide for the best secular instruction i of those bodies, and he thought that t wouldbe unreason able to provide for the religious instruction of theßoman Catholic pupils, and he thought, therefore, that any ad judication of money out of the public purse would be contrary to the principle of the Bill. Mr. VERNON SMITH—The object of this amend ment was not to test the validity of the grant, but to elicit the feelin gs o f t h e peop l e . H e c ontended . that it was a bad principle t o l eave t h e mora l s upervision to voluntary contributi ons . H e qu i te agree d w ith his lion. Friend (Lord J. Ru sse ll) t h at t h e pro f ess i ona l s ystem was quite unfitted for Ireland. Now, what had the Hon. Gentleman told them the oth er n i g h t , w h y, t h at these colleges were intended for the benefit of the middle classes. The studies for active life of that class began at 17 or 18 years of age, and at that ti me i t was i n which religious instruction was most especially needed, and yet the Right Hon. Baronet proposed to leave thi s re li g i ous instruction to the voluntary feelings of the people. He thought the effect of such arrangement was not likely to prove very satisfactory, His Noble Friend wished to establish with more certainty those halls which seemed likely to provide for the education of the Roman Catholic pupils. Mr. SHAW said that this question of the halls na turally led to the endowment of the Roman Catholic Church in general, and as he knew that if they endowedone professor they must endow others, this proposition was clearly in opposition to the Bill. He thought, therefore, that the Noble Lord ought to be able to ex plain the grounds on which he thought this endowment should be made. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that, as was shown by the observations of the Hon. Member for Waterford, it was the proposal of the Government not to give re ligious education, but o n ly a secularkdacation for the people of Ireland, N ow , as the clan 11"17 stood, i 6 W$ clearly contrary to the principle of the Bill. The Ro man Catholic hierarchy had required that the students should attend Divine worship on Sundays. Now, with regard to the question as to whether there should be any religious instruction, he had no objection to the instruction of the Roman Catholic pupils by Roman Catholic priests. Certainly it was not wise to leave the pupils without any religious instruction. He had not sufficient acquaintance with the constitution of Trinity College, but he did not think that there should be any doubt as to what was to be the system pursued in it. Either they must open Trinity College, Dublin, to Roman Catholics as well as to Pro testants or they must altogether close it, and although he thought this college should be opened, yet it cer tainly was not wise to interfere with its present govern ment. Yet, notwithstanding his objection to this, he thought that there should not be one sort of education for the Protestants and another, which though inferior, was good enough for Roman Catholics. On this ground, therefore, he thought that it would be advisable to make this provision for the religious education of the Catholics. Sir J. GRAHAM said that much had been said of opening Trinity College to all sects without distinction, but with certain minor restrictions Catholics were equally eligible with Protestants to be received into that University. The Noble Lord had argued as if it were a necessary part of the economy of the intended Government colleges that students should re side in them. But this residence was not compulsory, but voluntary, and in contemplating such, they were actuated by several motives ; one to have the students under the supervision of their superiors, and another to simplify the arrangements for educational and domestic purposes. The Noble Lord's argument, he re peated, would have been unanswerable if the attendance of students at these halls were compulsory ; but as that a.tendance was voluntary, his amendments were alto gether unnecessary. Mr. C. BULLER said that every alteration made in the Bill had deteriorated it, because it interfered with its original principle. He was ready to accept this Bill as it stood, on the assurance of Government that a university system would be ultimately adopted for the college one now contemplated, because the real essence of a university education consisted in the power to give degrees, which would be found exceedingly useful afterwards to scientific men; and they could not expect, unless they gave this advan tage, that these colleges would be crowded with students. The Roman Catholics of Ireland had a right to an equally good education with that given in Trinity College, Dublin, and this plan would give them that. He had no desire to depreciate the advantages of moral and re ligious training, bait experience had shown that religion was not inculcated in their national universities. Why, when he was himself at Cambridge, it was customary " to buy off" attendance at chapel, and it was a rule that gentleman commoners were asked to attend chapel only on Sundays, while pensioners were required to be there every day. It was monstrous. It seemed as if the souls of noblemen and gentlemen commoners did not require that watchful attention which was expended upon the lower classes of collegians. He remembered, also, a man being found reading a novel in chapel. One would suppose that his superiors would have said, " You are not in a proper frame of mind to perceive the beau- I ties of Christianity," and they would have tried by rea soning to show him his error. But let the House mark the difference. That gentleman was, for the remainder of his terms, obliged to attend chapel morning and even ing.—(Laughter.) He regretted any alteration in the principle of this measure. The system had been found to work well in Scotland, and none in that House would undertake to say that the Scotch were a nation of Atheists. They could not be considered the least reli gious portion of thepmpire. There the students were not obliged to go techapel, or to attend theological lec tures ; and he knew, from a friend of his who had studied in Edinburgh for a year and a half, that a mural superintendence was exerted far superior to that of Ox ford or Cambridge. He was not compelled to attend chapel, but he was a resident in the house of a clergy man, where practical lessons of Christianity were taught him—(Hear, hear)—and so with the universities of Lom bardy. In Padua and Modena, the system was the very same with that of Edinburgh. He trusted that the Go vernment would not introduce religious tuition into their Bill, because, as surely as they did so, the measure would be inefficient for Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) This was a scheme to give classical and scientific education to Ire land, let the parents or guardians look that their reli gious education be attended to. He would support the original Bill, and he trusted that the Government would adhere to it. Sir R. 11. INGLIS said that he should not then enter further into the discussion than to make a few observa tions on what had fallen from the Hon. and Learned Gentleman who had just sat down. In answer to his statement, and the cheers of other lion. Members, he had no hesitation in stating, that in no class of society had a greater improvment taken place than in the University which he had the honour to represent. With respect to this Bill, his great objection to it was that it excluded reli gion altogether, as a matter essentially connected with the interests of the State, and still more so as connected with its duties. The provision which the Bill proposed for securing a proper superintendence of the religious and moral instruction of the pupils was manifestly inade quate •, for it left to the president of each college the un controlled power of giving and withdrawinglicences to the masters of the boarding-houses, and there was no clause which required the master to see that the stu dents did their duty to God, by attending to divine worship, as well as their duty to man, by obedience to the laws of the land, and the laws of conventional morality. lie would not now detain the House by re peating the further reasons which he had previously ex plained, in former discussions, for supporting the pro position of the Noble Lord the Member for London. Mr. BERNAL said that the reasons alleged by the Right Hon. Baronet the Member fur Oxford, for sup porting the amendment of his Noble Friend the Member for London, were precisely those which induced him to oppose the amendments. He warned, and implored the Government, if they wished the measure to succeed, to guard against being seduced into making it a religious Bill, which would excite against it an amount of popular hostility altogether unprecedented. He contended that this was not a proper moment for introducing a dis cussion as to the principle of the Bill. They were now considering only the propriety of introducing the word " halls" after the word " colleges." Having been himself a student at Cambridge, he was able to say from his experience that every attempt to enforce theological study must be a failure ; and in Ireland the attempt could have no chance whatever of success. Sir R. PEEL said that even after all that had been said by his Right Hon. Friend the Member for Oxford, he remained convinced of the importance of extending to those classes who had been hitherto excluded from it, the advantages of an academical education. He could not at the same time admit, with the lion. Gentleman opposite, that the discipline at Cambridge was the same now that it had been thirty years ago. If the parents and guardians of children did not take care of their reli gious instruction any measure in that House would be completely absurd. Mr. SHEIL thought that the principle of the Bill was at stake. The Government thought that if they received the suggestion of the Noble Lord, they would make a secession equivalent to the abandonment of the measure. He did not agree with his Hon. Friend the Member for Weymouth on this subject. On other matters he would have difficulty in differing with him. Not only the Rumen Catholic Bishops were unanimous with respect to the inoeeration of this Bill, but every Roman Catholic Member in that House, and every Irish Member at his side of the House, concurred in his view that this mea sure was ineffective—he might almost say fatally so.— (" No." from Mr. Ross.) He would wish to except the Hon. Member for Belfast, where the religions education of the Presbyterians was provided for. And why not provide for the religious education of the Roman Catholics of Cork ? The Presbyterian clergy and laity received instruction in Belfast, both those who were in tended and those who were not intended for the Church. Those who would be Irishmen—with a single exception, the Member for Belfast--concurred in thinking the Bill to be defective. His lion. Friend said, beware of exciting the people of England. He (Mr. Sheil) would say, beware of governing Ireland in conformity with the prejudices of the people of Eng land.—(Hear, hear.) The prejudices of the people of England were not to be held out to them, and he thought that the Minister of England would agree with him on that subject.—(Cheers and laughter.) They paid the Roman Catholic clergymen for attending the barracks and garrisons of Dublin, and also for attending the sol diers wives, with the enormous salaries of 601. a year. The priest at Templemore was paid that for attending the barracks. He (Mr. Sheil) knew it, because he him self had made the suggestion to the Hon. Member for Coventry, and that sum was now paid. They paid the Roman Catholic clergy for attending the poorhouses, and in common conscience what was the reason why they did not pay Roman Catholic clergymen for attending in places of secular instruction in which spiritual instruc tion was peculiarly required ? He wanted their reason, and he wanted it specific and plain, and he could not forbear from making an observation, that they were con stantly saying that they were willing to pay the Roman Catholics, and lie heard constant insinuations that the settlement of the Roman Catholic clergy was of paramount importance, and ought to be undertaken. It happened that in 1825 the Secre tary for the Home Department was not a Member of the House when Lord F. Egerton brought forward his motion, but he took the opportunity of stating that if he had been in Parliament be would have voted for it. The Secretary at War made a speech in favour of it, but they said that the Roman Catholic clergy would not take the money. They had paid on o th er occas i ons, an d ex hibi te d a desire. to pay then—was that consistent with the present mea sure? The Catholic Bishops asked them to appoint the clergy at the smallest pittances, but the Government would not appoint them. They said that they feared the prejudices of the English people; if such was the case, this would not be a message of peace, but would add to the long category of prostrations which constituted the governing policy of this country with respect to Ireland. Lord BERNARD made a few observations refer ring to the period of history when the Church of Rome became reunited with the Church of Ireland. He would be ready to admit the want of education that existed at all periods of time from that epoch to this moment. He knew the wants of the poorer classes of the peop le at the present d a y ; but he would contend f o r it, that Trinity College was sufficient for all the pur poses of giving education to the middle classes, and then establish societies for the education of the poorer classes, such as the Dublin Society. He (Lord B.) would not speak so much at length upon this subject but that he was intimately acquainted with that part of Ireland where, he believed, it was intended that one of these colleges should be established. At a meeting held in Cork, at which the Hon. Member for Waterford pre sided, that lion. Member declared that he was in favour of a system of education which should be based on religion, and that religion founded on the Scriptures; and a gentleman proposed rescslaticna at ttal meeting to that effect, and if that should be acceded to in this Bill it should have his most cordial support; and he hoped her Majesty's Government would agree to the insertion of a clause having such an object in view. Before he sat down he would only say one word, and that was this, let the arguments in favour of this Bill, as well as those against it, stand or fall by their own merits. But if the real object of the Government was to improve the condition of the people of Ireland, by introducing capital into that country, by which to give employment to the labouring classes, who were the great majority of the people of that country that were really in want. Sir JAMES GRAHAM said, before this discussion should go any further, he thought it right to say a few words, and then answer the question of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member for Dungarvon. He begged to say he wished to be distinctly understood as declaring that he never did contemplate this or any other measure as a panacea for the ills of Ireland.—(Cheers.) Though he looked upon this measure as one of vast importance to that country, still it would be far from affording any thing like a means for an improved condition of the physical wants of the labouring classes in that country. —(Hear, hear.) As to the question of the Right Hon. Member for Dungarvon, he did think that even in the Committee it would be well that the House should adhere to the principle of the Bill ; but at the same time he should say that the point now under dis cussion would form an object for an ulterior amendment. —(Hear, hear.) With respect to what had been said about having a department for the qualifications of chap lains, he would say that if the State were to adopt the domestic form of giving religious instruction, they could not fail to turn their attention to some of the schemes they had seen so intimately connected with that system. And this brought him again to the point in reference to the appointment of chaplains. The Hon. Member had said, " Let us know the intentions of the Government on this point ;" and he (Sir J. Graham) thought the Hon. Member was right in asking this question. If those chaplains were to be selected in obedience to the feelings of some persons in tkis country, he did not think it would be conducive either to the happiness or peace of the people of Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) This was his opinion, and this was the opi nion he had given expression to when voting on the Maynooth question on a former occasion, which, he was sorry to say, was a measure that had run counter to the opinion of the majority of the people of this country. He was not in Parliament in the year 1825, and, therefore, was not compromised by any vote come to by the House then ; but, when he was in Parlia ment, his vote on this question did not compromise his opinions. He did state that, personally, he should have no scruples on religious grounds in supporting such a grant, and, therefore, it was quite clear that, on reli gious grounds, he was not opposed to the appointment of those chaplains, and certainly was not swayed in bis opinions by any servile adulation to the opinions of the people of England or of Scotland.— (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") But it had been asked, why not support now those appointments ? His answer was that such appointments would, in his opinion, extinguish every hope of establishing a good understanding in those institutions ; for if religious instruction be given in those colleges it should be either a social or a separate system of instruction. If it were to be a social system, then that should be done to which on religious grounds he had an objection, namely, there should be a sort of distinction of religious opinions which would tend to introduce a republican system of religious instruction that would be most objectionable; therefore, he conceived that the instruction to be given in the colleges being founded on the plan of that of the national education would be the best, and religious in struction was not included in that system. He did think it would be of the last importance if the Pro testant and Catholic scholars could be instructed in one institution, with a view to bring about a softening down of religious antipathies. But if the principle were ad mitted in the south of Ireland of giving religious in struction, in the colleges, the Roman Catholic students should have Roman Catholic chaplains, and in common justice the Protestants students should have the same. So likewise should the Presbyterians and the Unitarians, and even the Jews perhaps would require a rabbi and a synagogue—(Laughter)—and all the other chaplains would require separate places of worship also. On these grounds he did think it would be better to avoid any of the inconveniences which would attend such a state of things, and which would in his opinion lead to a scene of chaos worse confounded. He had now stated his ob jection to this amendment, and he would conclude by saying that, if it should be carried, it would be incon sistent in principle, fatal in effect, and anything more injurious than the proposition of the Noble Lord he could not conceive. Mr. ROSS regretted being obliged to vote en this oc casion in opposition to those with whom he had been in the habit of concurring ; but he feared the proposition would be so injurious that he could not concur in it. Lord CLIVE did not think the amendment of the Noble Lord the Member for London involved the prin ciple of endowing these fabrics. It was merely intended to provide the buildings and nothing more. Mr. LEFROY opposed the amendment. He fully concurred with the Hon. and Learned Member for Lis keard, in the view he had taken on this subject. Mr. BELLEW said that if this measure was fairly understood, he did not think there would be much op position to it. Mr. ROEBUCK said that one observation of his Learned Friend the Member for Dungarvon des.rved more than ordinary notice. It was that Ireland was not to be gwverned by the prejudices of the people. In that opinion he fully concurred, good feeling amongst all should be preserved. The Honourable Member had asked, why the principle was not applied to the English colleges? Fie answered, because that was not the best sys tem of education, which the circumstances of England allowed. Could they teach each separate sect, or could they endow every denomination which existed in this country ? Such a system would be impolitic and im • practicable. As to the proposition or the Noble Lord (Russell) it struck at the very principle of the Bill ; the lith clause gave the power to private individuals to erect halls in the college ; but for what purpose could chairs of theology be adopted in a college founded for mixed secular education ? Why should not a geological hall be established, where the author of " The Vestiges of Creation" could deliver lectures.—(A laugh.) The Government proposition was simply an application to public utility of private money, but the amendment wholly contravened it. He gave his vote for the endow ment of Maynooth on very different principles—he gave it in spite of its religion, not in consequence of it—and he was in favour of the present measure, because it acted upon his long-confirmed opinion of the superiority of independent secular education. The Government, in bringing it forward, had adopted not an irreligious, but a wise and a bold course. They had acted in opposition to the wishes—he must be allowed to say, the unjus tifiable prejudices of the country. They had despised fleeting applause—that applause which might have been naturally gratifying to them—but under a sense that it was a duty they owed themseves and their country, they had chosen a course which not only was creditable, but, he ventured to predict, would prove beneficial in its results.—(Hear, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL could not wonder at the support which the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath (Mr. Roebuck) gave the clause and the Bill ; he had always contended for secular education, and as different sects existed in the country for leaving out religion altogether, he must say that the Government measure carried out that principle to its fullest extent, and he was not surprised to find the Hon. Member delighted with its provisions.—(Cheers.) But the measure went further, it went to destroy the endowment of all religion, and controverted the principle of Government Church Esta blishments. Such was the doctrine laid down by the Right Hon. the Secretary of the Home Department (Sir J. Graham), a doctrine which the great advocates of the voluntary principle had ever contended for, but it was new to him to hear it from the Treasury benches. It struck at the root of all establishments, and hitherto bad been disavowed by the Ministers of State.—(Cheers.) The amendment ho had proposed was much more limited than the Hon. Member for Bath (Mr. Roebuck) had as serted, it was rather, as the Noble Member for Shrop shire (Lord Clive) had stated, that as the Government erected halls for the secular education of all, so this would provide for religious instruction —(Loud cheers.) That was the mode in which he conceived it would operate. The Government had stated their wish to promote the erection of halls, such was the whole principle of the Bill, and his amendment merely went to promote religion as well as secular education ; if such a system was fatal to the measure, if religious in struction was considered contradictory of its whole de sign, its supporters must of course object to thf nomina tion of Roman Catholics.—(Cheers.) It had been said, that if all the amendments taken together should be passed, the whole complexion of the Bill would be al tered. So he thought, hut altered for the best.—(Loud cheers from the Opposition benches.) The Secretary for the Home Department had said that he (Lord John Russell) was in error in imputing an exclusive spirit to the constitution of Trinity College, Dublin.—("Hear, hear," from Sir J. Graham.) Ho was ready to admit that as to the permission of Roman Catholics to obtain an education there he had been misapprehended ; but from the fellowships Roman Catholics were excluded, and as to the four medical professors—one for botany, one for chemistry, and two others for medicine—the regulation was that they must be Protestants. It was only a short time sinee he bad seen an advertisement in a Dublin paper, inviting competition for the chair of che mistry in the university ; besides other qualifications, it was there stated that the candidate must be Protestant. —(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") That he considered intolerance.—(Loud cheers.) Religious tests ought to be abolished. If a chemist, remarkable for his talent, and more especially for his proficiency in chemical re search, was to be considered incompetent to instruct others in science, he did not hesitate to say a bigoted and persecuted spirit dictated such a course—(Hear, hear)—and yet it was what those must support who re jected his clause upon the grounds of its being a recog nition of religion in the measure. This clause he should press to a division ; but if unsuccessful, the other, of which ho had given notice, he would withdraw. Sir R. INGLIS, in explanation, admitted that the wr m on r g . s in . c t i li t e A ir w in F t o er i p tD reta w ti is o b n e e d f t c o la b u e se ar l6. Right Hon. Baronet (Si r R. P ee l) was r i g h t, an d hi mself testimony to the truth of the Right Hon. Baronet's statement respect ingraad e the r from Belfast the Institution. religious edu Nocation imputation the studentssr-a e s being er left in the hands of their parents. Ile considered the measure involved the question of the national system of education—a system which had worked so successfully, and therefore opposed any proposition which would interfere with its efficient working. He had opposed his own Church in defending this opinion, and should resist the Noble Lord's amendment even at the same risk. The House then divided, when there appeared— For the Amendment 42 -- -- Against - - - Majority against the amendment —75 The clause was then put and agreed to, Clauses 2,3, 4,5, 6,7, 8, and 9 were then read, and severally agreed to without discussion. On clause 10 being read, Mr. WYSE rose to object to it in its present form. It provided that the Government should have the appoint ment of the professors, not only in the first instance, but afterwards. There might be some reason, he admitted, in the Government having the first appointments, but not in the subsequent ones. Even as it regarded the first, he did not think that the Government ought to take any step without consulting the ecclesiastical au thorities at the head of the leading denominations in Ireland. Leaving, however, the first appointment out of consideration, he could not consent that any subsequent appointment should be vested in the hands of the Go vernment. In Scotland, the appointment of many of the professors was in the hands of the town councils of the cities in which the colleges were situated ; others were appointed by the head of the universities, or a ma jority of the professors. This practice worked well there. He thonght something of the kind would be better than vesting the patronage in the hands of the Government. On the continent, and even in the University of Dublin a similar mode prevailed to that he was about to pro pose. He would now move as an amendment to this clause, " that on any future vacancy iu the professorships of the intended colleges, such vacancy be filled up by such candidates as, after due public examination, before competent examiners hereafter to be appointed, shall be declared by them (being otherwise qualified by character and conduct) to be the most competent to the duties of such professorships." Sir R. PEEL thought that the better system would be to treat each of these questions separately. It did appear to him that there was no difference between the Government and the opinions of the Hon. Gentleman. He did look forward to the time when these colleges might grow into a university. The question was, what was to be done in the interim. They thought that it would be unadvisable to take the power out of the hands of the Crown of appointing the professors. There was certainly nothing to prevent the Crown constituting a Board in Dublin to investigate the qualifications of the professors. It might be desirable that there should be a great competition for the fellowships, and with respect both to these and the professorships, they must adopt the principle of competition, or they must leave it to the responsibility of some authority to appoint to both. He thought it better to avoid everything like favouritism, and he had no doubt but those colleges would hereafter give the supply to those colleges themselves. He could conceive that no greater stimulus could be given to young men than the prospect of one day filling those professor ships under which they had studied. The colleges had to be founded and built, and after the appointment of the first professors, say in 1848, the attention of Parliament might be directed to the subject. Above all things, it was necessary to avoid everything like party spirit, and he did hope that, in the first place, the appointment of those professors would be left to the Crown. Lord EBRINGTON thought that it was necessary to see their way in the appointment of these professors, for what had been the conduct of the Government in respect of the National Church and the Board of Edu cation. He must confess, that to him it was of a very dubious character, and he did not exactly like these sadden alterations in the mode of proceedings, and he somewhat distrusted those general expressions of good will to the people of Ireland, which might mean any thing or nothing. In respect to the Board of Edu cation, he remembered that it was about eighteen months before the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government had shown himself there, and he must say that he was anxious to see that the intentions of the Government were explicitly stated. Mr. O'CONNELL rose to object to the clause before the House. He would recommend the House to keep a close hand on the powers sought to be obtained by Go vernment in this matter. The Right Hon. Baronet had boasted of the success which had attended the Charitable Bequests Bill. He (Mr. O'Connell) did not think that the success which had attended that Committee was so marked as the Right Hon. Baronet seemed to think it. With respect to this clause, he objected to it because it gave an unlimited authority to the Government to ap point to everything and to remove those whom they had so appointed without any cause. There was not the slightest restriction on them. They were not even re quired to name their elives. The House should have the name and number, and the power given to each. The Bill as it at present stood had been viewed with abhorrence by the priesthood of Ireland. He had heard it said that the Government were deserving of the confidence of the Irish people, but since they came into office what had they done for Ireland ? Had they not appointed to the offices in Ireland, persons the most opposed to the in terests of the Irish people ? Had they not appointed bishops, the most inveterate in their hostility to the prin ciples of the Roman Catholic Church ? Had they, in fact, appointed a single liberal in Ireland ? Had they no t rather deprived of the magistracy in Ireland those gentlemen who were anxious to have an independent Parliament for their own country ? And yet the Right Honourable Baronet called upon the Irish Members to give him their unlimited confidence in every thing. He was opposed to the clause. Sir J. GRAHAM said the Government neither asked nor expected any compliment at the hands of the Hon. and Learned Member for Cork. They had endeavoured to consult the best interests of the country, in the ap pointments made is Ireland. The Hon. Member for Waterford (Mr. Wyse) had eulogised the system pur sued in Scotland, of electing the professors to their uni versities, but that system, he was perfectly certain, could not be pursued in Ireland, and for many reasons. He had stated more than once, that all the regulations of the colleges would be such as to prevent any religious jealousy. In the course of a few years, Parliament would be enabled to judge of the efficacy of the system, and to alter if it could not approve of it. He hoped that the Honourable Member for Waterford would not press his clause. After a few words from Mr. WYSE in explanation, Mr. WAEBURToN and Mr. Fox MAULE supported the proposition of the Government. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said, that if they did not change the present form of the Bill, whatever steps they might take to pass it, they would not satisfy the people. Mr. SHEIL said that they had a perfect model in Trinity College, Dublin. They were considering two methods, one was a selection by means of public com petition, and the other was by the choice of the Crown. Which was the best ? In the former case they would be selecting men of known experience, and in the other instance they would become objects of suspi cion, no matter how pure were their motives. Their appointments might in future bo good, but their past appointments deserved a vast deal of con demnation. Taking the appointments in the bench and in the church in the aggregate—there were no doubt some exceptions—they were not such as to conciliate the people of Ireland. Were they to trust to experience or to hope ?—(Hear, hear.) Mr. SHAW said there was an erroneous impressien as to the amount of emolument given to fellows, It was stated by an Hon. Member opposite to amount to 2,0001., but it only amounted to 1,5001. Do what the Govern ment might, the gentry of Ireland, Roman Catholic as well as Protestant, would still send their children to the Dublin University. He had no doubt these new colleges would supply the want that now existed for an interme diate education, and it would keep nearer home many who were now too young to be sent to Trinity College, but who were now obliged to go there. He had heard the Hon. Member for Waterford say that a system of practical education was wanted for Ireland, such as for qualifying for engineers, &c., and in that expression he fully concurred, and so far these new institutions would be valuable. Lord J. RUSSELL said he should confess that as they got on with this subject not much light was thrown upon it by the arguments elicited. The First Lord of the Treasury said that Ireland should have a new university at which a certain degree of education would be con ferred, but from all he had heard on this point he should say he was not much enlightened by it. It appeared that the Dublin University was one in which only the higher classes in Ireland were educated ; but he did think the system followed in that in- stitution should be better defined than it had been. He did not think the Right Honourable Gentleman who had just sat down need despair of finding men who were in favour of the existing system of national education in Ireland, to fill any vacancy that might occur in the bench of Bishops. He would be ready to support his Hon. Friend with regard to the words at the end of the clause, and he would vote for leaving them out. Lord J. MANNERS would be prepared at the proper time to vindicate the course the Irish Bishops had taken on the subject of national education in Ireland. The Committee then divided— For the amendment . Against it _ _ . Majority against the amendment —96 Sir HENRY W. BARRON then moved the following amendment to the same clause (10):—That, previous to the first appoiatment of any rector, president, head of college, or professor, under this Act, the Board of Edu cation in Ireland shall have power to present three names to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, who must select one of the said persons to fill such office. He wished to press the amendment on the attention of the House. Sir JAMES GRAHAM observed that he was greatly afraid that the amendment proposed by the Hon. Gen tleman would have a tendency very considerably to diminish the efficacy of the Board. He was satisfied if the amendment were carried one or two Members would refuse to act ; and he therefore trusted that it would not be pressed. The amendment was then put and negatived without a division. The original motion was then put, that clause 10 stand part of the Bill, on which the House divided, when there appeared— For the motion 129 Against it Majority for the motion Clauses 11, 12, and 13 were then read and agreed to. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and asked leave to sit again to-morrow (this day). The House then resumed. MERCHANT SEAMENS' BILL, On the motion that the House resolve itself into Com mittee on this Bill, Mr. Wawn, Mr. Foster, Dr. Bowring, and several other Hon. Members, objected to going into Committee at such a late hour of the night. Sir C. NAPIER was in favour of going into Commit tee, as the measure was one that ought not to be delayed. The gallery was then cleared for a division, when the numbers were— For going into Committee Against it 22 Majority The Chairman reported progress, and asked leave to sit again on Wednesday. FOREIGN LOTTERIES. On the motion of Sir JAMES GRAHAM, The Foreign Lotteries Bill was read a second time. STATUTE LABOUR (SCOTLAND) BILL. This Bill was read a third time. On the motion for going into a Committee of Supply. Lord PALMERSTON - wished to know in whai kite the completion of the contract stood with respect to the supply of muskets ? Captain BOLDER() said that 14,000 had been com pleted out of the contract. Lord PALMERSTO I I wished to know what mea sures had been taken for ensuring the defence of the dockyards ? The system of steam navigation had en tirely altered the whole of the practice of naval warfare, and he thought that some provision ought to be made to meet it. Sir R. PEEL said that votes had already been taken on this point, both in the ordnance and navy estimates. What they were precisely he would not say, but the engineers were, at the present moment, engaged at Sheerness, Chatham, and Dover, in ascertaining what the state of those ports was, and as soon as they had finished their duty they would officially report to the Government. Sir C. NAPIER wished to know whether any means were to be taken for organising the coast-guard and fishermen along the coast as sea-fencibles, as had been done in former years. It was a matter of great import ance, and ought to be attended to. Sir R. PEEL said that there was no point which had not been attended to by the Government ; but whether any measures would be taken for the organisation of the sea-fencibles, he could not at the present moment say. The report on supply was then brought up, and the items severally read. DOGS BILL. On the motion of Mr. LIDDELL, the Dogs Bill was read a third time, and passed. LUNATICS BILL. _ . Mr. M. SUTTON moved that the House do go into Committee on the Lunatics Bill. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE objected. He thought the Bill had not been properly examined by Hon. Members and should, therefore, take the sense of the House on the subject before the Speaker should leave the Chair. Mr. M. SUTTON said that if the Bill were not then proceeded with, it could not possibly be read on Wed nesday, and failing that day, he did not see that any other day could be given for the purpose. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE did not wish the Bill to come on at all. He thought it would be better to have a Par liamentary inquiry, as there had been none since 1816 on the subject, and many abuses had crept into the whole system of treatment of lunatics since that time. Then a Bill greatly superior :to the present might be brought in in the course of next session. The House went into Committee, pro forma, and then resumed. FRAME-WORK KNITTERS. Sir HENRY HALFORD said that on to-day he should move that the House resolve itself into Com mittee to consider the alterations necessary to be made in the Act 5 Geo. IV. cap. 6, with the view of benefiting the frame-work knitters. ALLEGED MISCONDUCT,, AT THE BOARD OF ORDNANCE. Mr. HAWES moved the following Select Committee on the South-Eastern Railway petition :—Mr. Hawes, Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Roebuck, Lord Worsley, Mr. Hay ter, Mr. Tancred, Mr. T. Duncombe, Lord Ashley. Mr. Pakington, Mr. Wilson Patten, Mr. Vernon, Mr. Tatton Egerton, Sir R. H. Inglis, Mr. Liddell, and Sir Charles Douglas. Sir G. CLERK requested (as we understood) that the request of the Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for Oxford, that his name might be erased, and that of Col. Wood substituted. —Agreed to. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Twenty minutes past One. COURT CIRCULAR. The Queen held a Court and Privy Council yesterday afternoon, at Buckingham Palace. An investiture of the most Honourable Military Order of the Bath having been appointed, the Knights Grand Crosses assembled at two o'clock, and were robed by Mr. Hunter in their mantles and collars, and afterwards passed into the Green Drawing-room, where they were called over by Bath King of Arms. Her Majesty, who wore the mantle and collar of the Order, having entered the Throne-room, the Knights Grand Crosses were conducted to the presence of the Sovereign. There were present— His Royal Highness Prince Albert, Acting Great Master. His Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge, his Grace the Duke of Wellington, Viscount Strangford, Viscount Combermere, Admiral Sir George Cockburn, and Admiral Sir Edward Codrington. The officers of the order wore their mantles and chains. There were present, Algernon Greville, Esq., Bath King of Arms, and Albert William Woods, Esq., (Lancaster Herald), Gentleman Usher of the order. Ad miral Sir Robert Waller Otway, Bart., was introduced between Sir George Cockburn and Sir Edward Cod rington, the two Junior Knights Gfand Crosses present, preceded by Bath King of Arms (bearing the ensigns of the Order on a crimson velvet cushion) and the Gen tleman Usher. The Sword of State, borne by Sir William Martins, Gentleman Usher, having been handed to the Queen by the Lord Chamberlain, her Majesty was graciously pleased to confer the honour of Knighthood on Sir Robert Otway therewith. Her Majesty, assisted by Prince Albert and the Duke of Cambridge, afterwards invested Sir Robert with the Ribband and Badge of a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath, and also presented him with the Star of a Military Grand Cross of the order. Sir Robert having kissed hands, then re tired from the presence of his Sovereign. Her Majesty was pleased to command an investiture to take place of the Knights Commanders of the Bath. Colonel Sir James Dennis was introduced by Bath King of Arms, and the Gentleman Usher of the Order, and kneeling near the Queen, had the honour of Knight. hood conferred upon him by the sword of the Gold Stick in Waiting. Sir James was afterwards invested by her Majesty with the Ensign of a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, and having kissed hands re tired with the usual reverences. Rear-Admiral Sir Edward Chetham Strode was re ceived at the door of the Chapter Room, by Bath King of Arms, and the Gentleman-Usher of the Order, and was conducted to the Sovereign. Sir Edward kneeling was invested by her Majesty with the ribband and badge of a Knight Commander of the Bath. The ceremony being concluded, the Knights Grand Crosses and the officers of the Order withdrew from the throne room. Immediately after the investiture of the Bath, the Queen hail an investiture of the most distinguished Order of St. Michael and St. George. The Knights Grand Crosses of the Order assembled in their mantles and collars. There were present — Field-Marshal his Royal Highness the Duke of Cam bridge, Grand Master of the Order. Field-Marshal Prince Albert, Admiral Sir Edward Codrington, Lieutenant-General Sir Howard Douglas, and Major-General Sir Patrick Ross. The officers of the Order present were Sir Nicholas Harris Nicolas, the Chancellor, and Sir Charles Eur wicke Douglas, King of Arms. The Knights Grand Crosses and officers of the Order having entered the Throne Room, his Royal Highness Prince George was introduced betweer. Sir Howard Douglas, and Sir Patrick Ross, the two junior Knights Grand Crosses present, when her Majesty was graciously pleased to invest his Royal Highness with the Ensign of a Knight Grand Cross of the most distinguished Order of St. Michael and St. George. The following Knights Commanders of the Order were present at the investiture of the Prince —Sir Richard Plasket, Major General Sir Frederick Stovin, K.C.8., Sir Joseph Rudsdell, and Lieut.-General Sir Francis Count Rivarola, K.C.H. he'l ceremony being ended, the Knights and Officers retired from the presence of the Sovereign, with the usual reverence. Her Majesty's Honourable Corps of Gentleman-at- Arms lined the throne-room during the investiture. Lord Wharncliffe, Lord President of the Council had an audience of the Queen. Her Majesty held a Privy Council. It was attended by his Royal Highness Prince Albert, the Lord Presi dent, the Commander in Chief, the First Lord of the Treasury, the Secretaries of State for the Home, Fo reign, and Colonial departments, the First Lord of the Admiralty, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancas ter, the Chief Commissioners of the Woods and Forests, the Secretary at War, the Lord Steward, the Lord Cham berlain, and the Master of the Horse. Mr. Henry Lytton Bulwer, her Majesty's Minister Plenipotentiary to the Queen of Spain, and the Hon. William Bingham Baring, Paymaster of her Majesty's Forces, were, by command of the Queen, sworn of her Majesty's most Hon. Privy Council, and took their re spective places at the Board. Her Majesty having been pleased to appoint the most Hon. Richard, Marquis of Westminster, to be Lord Lieutenant of the County of Chester, his Lordship took the usual oaths. The Queen having been pleased to appoint Sir Stephen Richard Glynne to be Lord Lieutenant of the County of Flint, Sir Stephen was sworn into . office. Some reports of the Judicial Committee were confirmed. The Hon. William Bathurst was the Clerk of the Council in Waiting. Sir Edward Dishrowe, G.C.H., her Majesty's Envoy Extraodinary and Minister Plenipotentiary to the King of the Netherlands, was presented to the Queen at an audience by the Earl of Aberdeen, Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to take leave on his return to the Hague. The Right Hon. Henry Lytton Bulwer, her Majesty's Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary to the Queen of Spain, was presented to the Queen, at an audience, by the Earl of Aberdeen, on his return from Madrid. The Marquis of Downshire had an audience of the Queen, and delivered to her Majesty the insignia of the Most Illustrious Order of St. Patrick, worn by his late father. The Lord Chamberlain had an audience of the Queen. The Court was attended by Lady Portman, Lady in Waiting ; the Vice-Chamberlain, the Captain of the Hon. Corps of Gentlemen-at-Arms, Sir Benjamin Smith, C.S. ; Viscount Combermere, Gold Stick in Waiting ; the Captain of the Yeomen Guard, the Treasurer of the Household, the Comptroller of the Household, Lord Rivers, Lord in Waiting ; Lord George Lennox, Lord in Waiting to Prince A.lbert ; Sir George Philip Lee, Lieutenant of the Yeomen Guard ; Mr. R. Ormsby Gore, Groom in Waiting ; Mr. James Bunce Curling, Adjutant of the Hon. Corps of Gentlemen-at-Arms ; Mr. Ellerthorp, Adjutant of the Yeomen Guard ; Coonel Berkeley Drummond, Field Officer in Waiting ; Messrs Wortley and Gordon, Pages of Hono'ir in Waiting. The Yeomen of the Guard were on duty in the grand hall and staircase, commanded by Captain Sadler, the Exon in Waiting. Prince Albert went yesterday morning to the review in Hyde Park. His Royal Highness was attended by General Sir George Anson, Major-General Sir Edward Bowater, and Colonels Bouverie and Wylde. The Duke of Cambridge, attended by Baron Knesebeck, was also present. The juvenile Royal Family were taken their accus tomed walks and rides yesterday in the royal gardens. The Judge Advocate General had an audience of the Queen yesterday, and submitted to her Majesty the pro ceedings of some courts-martial. The ,royal dinner party at Buckingham Palace, yes terday, included their Majesties the King and Queen of the Belgians, her Royal Highness the Duchess of Glou cester, his Excellency M. Van de Weyer, the Lord Chancellor and Lady Lyndhurst, Baroness d'Hooghvorst, Lady Caroline Murray, the Earl and Countess of Had dington, the Earl of Liverpool, Lady Rivers, Lord Port man, Lord George Lennox, Colonel Sir Edward Cust, and Major de Moerkerke. Sir J. Hope had an interview with Sir George Clerk yesterday at the office of the Board of Trade. Dispatches for the Governors of Van Dieman's Land, New South Wales, and the Mauritius were sent off last evening from the Colonial-office. The Duchess Dowager of Cleveland had select dinner parties on Thursday and Friday at her residence in Seamore-place. Sir Montague and Lady Cholmeley have arrived at Farrance's Hotel from their seat, Euston Hall, Lincoln shire. MAGAZINE DAY. BLACKWOOD'S MAGAZINE. The writer on the " Marlborough Dispatches" returns to these important documents with the laudable purpose, among others, apparently, of correcting some misstate ments, and doing justice both to the Great Duke, and the editor of his " Dispatches"— Sir G. Murray. In the former article it was stated, in very plain language, that the dis patches and letters published in French could not have been written by Marlborough, as he had not sufficient knowledge of the language, and was too little familiar with the epistolary style of the country to venture on communicating his sentiments in French. The error is corrected in these words :—" Like many other men destined fur future distinction, Churchill made no great figure as a scholar, a circumstance easily explained, if we recollect that it is on the knowledge of words that the reputation of a school-boy—of things, that of a man— is founded. But the dispatches now published demon. state that before he attained middle age he was a proficient at least in Latin, French, and Eng lish composition ; for letters in each, written in a very pure style, are to be found in all parts of his cor respondence." It could hardly be otherwise when it is known that Marlborough served at least five years under the most celebrated French generals of the day, and learned the art of war in the same camp with men whom he afterwards defeated in many pitched battles. But the writer does a great deal more than correct a few errors—he gives us a concise and interesting memoir of the illustrious General up to the battle of Blenheim, with occasional anecdotes not familiar to English readers. Indeed Marlborough, as is justly remarked, is better known on the Continent than in his native country. The French nurses used to frighten their children with stories of " blarlbrook." Napoleon hummed the well known air " Marlbrook s'en va a la guerre," when he crossed the Niemen, and but for the popular pages of Voltaire, Marlborough " would be virtually unknown at this moment to nineteen-twentieths of the British people." Voltaire in a few words draws a vivid picture of one great quality to which he, as well as the Great Duke of our own time, owe their immortality. "He had above allthe generals of the age that tranquil courage in the midst of tumult, and that serenity of soul in danger, which the English call cold head (tete froide). It is perhaps this quality, the highest gift of nature to a general, that gave in former times the English such advantage over the French on the plains of Poitiers, Cressy, and Agincourt." The other articles in this number fully maintain the character of Maga. North, with a lingering look to wards the old English poets, again returns to his criti cisms by way of supplement, for he had announced their termination in his last notice, but we do not regret the circumstance. One sentence, indeed, atones for pages of tedious comparisons and poetical disquisitions. Never were words more true uttered than those here subjoined. Let them sink deep into the minds of youth, and urge them on to the study of languages, which not only tends to humanise the mind but to give the only true knowledge of the divine works of antiquity. It is impossible to translate fine writing—poetry should never be attempted. Homer, and Horace, and Lucian, and Chaucer, and Burns, can be understood only in their own language. "We fall back upon the old conviction," says North, " that verse is a sacred, and song an inspired thing ; that the feeling, the thought, the word, and the musical breath spring together out of the soul in one creation ; that a translation is a thing not given in rerun natura ; consequently that there is nothing else to be done with a great poet, saving to leave him in his glory." The " Opium-Eater" is more gloomy than ever. The sorrows of life (for he seems to count for nothing its many joys) make him sick of ex istence, and prefer death to birth. "Death we can face, but knowing, as some of us do, what is human life, which of us is it, that without shuddering could (if con sciously we were summoned) face the hour of death ?" The following verses on " The Fall of Napoleon," are by the Russian poet, Pushkin, translated by T. B. Shaw, 8.A., of Cambridge. We can find room for only three, but they are a fair specimen of the rest : " 0 thou, of whose immortal story Earth aye the memory shall keep, Now, 'neath the shadow of thy glory Rest, rest, amid the lonely deep ! A grave sublime nor nobler ever Couldst thou have found., for o'er thine urn The Nations' hate is quench'd for ever, And Glory's beacon-ray shall burn. " There was a time thine eagles tower'd Resistless o'er the humbled world; There was a time the empires cower'd Before the bolt thy hand had hurl'd The standards, thy proud will obeying, Flapp'd wrath and woe on every wind— A few short years, and thou wert laying Thine iron yoke on human kind. " And France, on glories vain and hollow, Had fixed her frenzy-glance of flame— Forgot sublimer hopes, to follow Thee, Conqueror, thee—her dazzling shame ! Thy legions' swords with blood were drunken— All sank before thine echoing tread; And Europe fell—for sleep was sunken, The sleep of death—upon her head.' COLBURN'S NEW MONTHLY. Mr. Harrison Ainsworth is now the editor of this magazink, and he opens the number with an admirable tale, " Cecco del Orso." The hero is an Italian Con dottiere, and the scene is laid in Forli in 1448, and in the space of nine pages and a half we have a romance which, in the hands of ordinary scribes, would have been dilated into a three volume tale of " intense interest." Short as it is it is Mr. Ainsworth's masterpiece. The author of " Hillingdon Hall" gives us his " Thoughts upon Inns," and most quaint and amusing thoughts they are; and Mr. Francis Ainsworth gives us a most in teresting account of the " Principality of the Captive Jews in the Valley of the Euphrates." Then follows one of the best occasional poems we have ever read:— WRITTEN AFTER WITNESSING THE PER FORMANCE OF A YOUNG AMERICAN ACTRESS, CHRISTINE OF SWEDEN.' BY CHARLOTTE CUSHMAN. In sooth a queen ; a gentle, loving queen ! So true to nature, as to cheat the will From all observance of the mimic scene, To bow in reverence of thy matchless skill. Thy brow, which well the diadem became. Bearn'd with the light and purity of truth ; While the clear eye flash'd well and wild the flame, From the soul's altars, fed by hope and youth. And then, the high-wrought tales of woman's love. Shackled by chains of custom and of state, Which the fond heart strives vainly to remove, Preferring to be loved than to be great. From thee, the tale came like a pleasing dream, Cheating the heart, and robbing it of care— Alas T. that this all bright and glorious theme Should wild Delusion's fleeting raiment wear. M. We may observe thy course, and watch thy star, Brighten with years along the Drama's heaven, No envious clouds thy onward fame to mar, All threatening tempests from thy pathway driven. With such rare powers to cultivate the Muse, Genius to model, judgment to refine ; Who may behold thy flight, and yet refuse To crown thee champion of the Sacred Nine ?' This delightful tribute to the excellencies of a rival proves that whatever may be said of the envious nature of actresses there is at least one, and she the greatest, in whose bosom that passion has no place. " The Ass Eating Thistles" is a tale illustrative of one of /Esop's fables. It is from the pen of the author of " Peter Priggins," upon whom the mantle of Theodore Hook appears to have fallen. " The Robertses on their Travels" are as amusing as ever, and the author of the " Stories of Waterloo" continues his "Lights and Shades of a Gentleman on Half-pay." "Recreations in Natural History " consist of some most amusing anecdotes illustrative of the sagacity of elephants. These are followed by an exquisite lyric, entitled " Beauteous little Mary," from the pen of Ed ward Kenealy. The " Chest of Cigars," by Lancelot Wagstaff, is a quaint and humorous story, told in excel lent style—the sort of story that we are wont to expect in the New Morekly. Dudley Costello contributes a tale entitled " The Fiddler of Frankfort," and Thomas Miller contributes a poem entitled " The Grey Old Ash Tree." Mr Oxenford is doing good service in the cause of literature by giving us selections from Jean Paul Frie derich Richter. Jean Paul is one of the most original, and certainly the most witty, of German writers. With the exception of M. Heine, he is, perhaps, the only really witty writer that Germany has produced ; but he is not merely witty—there is an under-current of deep and thoughtful philosophy running through a ll his writings —take, for instance, " The Molucca , aid Spice Islands in Scheeran," which Mr. Oxenford has given us in the present number. It is one of the most biting satires ever written upon monopolies, and as such we recom mend it to the attention of the League. It is too long to extract, but as a specimen of Jean Paul's style, we cannot resist giving the following, on Body and Soul:— "'TT' a BODY AND SOUL. " Gratings of flesh and bone stand between hu manso ls ; and yet men can fancy that there may e u sucha thing as an embrace upon the earth, when it is only the gratings that knock together, and behind them one soul only thinks upon the other." The last adventure of " llereward the Saxon," by Thos Knight, is a stirring tale of the brave but ineffectual struggle of our Saxon ancestors against the Norman Conqueror. The number also contains a review of the opera season, and of several new books which have been recently published. A supplement is delivered gratis with the present number of the New Monthly. It con tains all that has hitherto been published of the " Rove • lations of London," by the editor, and the work will henceforth be continued in the pages of the New Monthly. FRASEIr S MAGAZINE. No political article graces " Regina" this month, an d readers who delight in grumbling will therefore greatly disappointed. Since the end of May the Sta le. coachman has been driving at a frightful rate, the gar nooth affair has been settled, the Colleges Bill is in fair train, free trade is triumphant, and the corn-laws l doomed to destruction. No High Tory, therefore, c oal write on politics without weeping and lamentations , a? re-echoing the doleful strains of Newcastle and WIZ chilsea. But the calamity is too great to be entire!! passed over. The " organised hypocrisy " i 5 r, coming every day such a prominent, feature Cabinet especially chosen for the preservatt°ll of Church and State and the triumph of m onopell o i that absolute silence is impossible, and in a character, Lord Lyndhurst care is taken to tellAhim.,:amidst then o; fulsome praise, that he is a desperate renegade, and ; i1 company for Peel and his other associates. " Lyndhurst, like his brethren in the Ministry, wa ke conscientious anti-emancipationist in August, 1828 ; , was a stanch emancipationist in April, 1829. He too; up both sides with equal facility. Again, he was one oft l , most powerful and effective agents of the Conserve° party in undermining and overthrowing the Whig O gre vernment. He is now one of the foremost of those Ll ° are acting as a Government on Whig policy." I rest of the number, however, is abundantly cheerful , we except the three epecls of the (French) - r . volution," the first of which appears under title "Destruction," and gives a horrifying 1 4V o ture of the violation of the royal tombs iLt Cathedral of St. Denis and the disinterment of' 1 , 1 1 1 /1 bodies of some twenty or thirty Kings and Queens scions of an illustrious line at the instigation of Bartr, the associate of Robespierre. Those who delight wonders and few do not, will find plenty of them 4 " Animal Magnetism and Neurhypnotism" which thr9 o all our modern mesmerisers into the shade. We g r , l , the following as a specimen. It is abridged from , borne's " Court and Camp of Runjeet Singh," ae",:j given as a proof that a man may be buried for wont', without f'eeling any inconvenience. After detailing 9 ; ,D particulars respecting a certain Indian buried for arm° and rising from his grave alive, the writer adds : " There is this difference, however, between the two in fo l ; stances, in the latter he was actually buried in the earth p ten months, a sentry set over him night and day, and a„,c ll of barley sown over his grave. This was witnessed by to" ,r a ral Ventura, and performed in the presence of Runjeet his court. The Maha Raja was so sceptical about the roat! t c that he had the Fakir dug up twice in the ten months, vv, he was found to be in exactly the same position, a nd 0, 1 4 state of perfectly suspended animation. At length, at ",. end of the ten months, he was finally taken up, in the sence of Captain Wade. His tongue was precisely as he b l o t self had placed it before his sepulture—forced back, en , filling up the gullet. By the application of the usual rel i v e ratives he came round, and was perfectly well again it t o . hours. We ought, perhaps, to state that there are other stances recorded of the interment and exhumation of w" Fakir." "Poets, Painters, and other Shadows" will be O il with pleasure by all who take delight in t b : fine arts, using the term in the most general sea s ., It is written in a spirited and also a poetic styli takes, on the whole, a very correct view, according our judgment, of some of the more remarkable poets 5 painters who have afforded such enjoyment to met, the civilised state. It contains also a great deal of,t n i ; formation respecting the works of Reubens and o' o Dutch painters, and still more respecting the Itali school, without exception the first of modern does:, whether we look to painting, poetry, music, history' , o i novels, or, indeed, any of the arts which disting l .A Italy from all other countries, and make her yet, thoull; conquered and a slave, the first in taste, in execution , ; beauty, and description, among all her proud and pow e o ful rivals. " Gracia capta Romam cepit," said Hors 1 p but with all his prophecies which have been fulfilled; the letter, as far as time has gone, he never ventured,li say, that when Italy was subjected to the same fate all Greece, she would still shine in all her real glory, o t teach her barbarian conquerors that they could t n b ij subdue her. We could gi v e many extracts from e d article, and confirm our statement, but we are comps' to omit them for want of space. TA! T'S MA G A ZINE. The more interesting articles in this number t y " Mitchell's Fall of Napoleon," and the " Politics ofbo Mouth." We looked for som e thing go o d in anot i o entitled " Ireland and her Agitators," but it coos chiefly of extracts from " Saints and Sinners," suPP ° A to be written by the Private Secretary of Mr. O'Cort°,,,, What Tait, however, says is to the purpose, and es.r, cially the remarks at the close of the brief noticed What care the great body of th e B r iti s h p eo ple for `" Established Church of Ireland ? Is there one man i° o l among us who recognises the principle a ecclesias,4 I establishments in any shap e , w h o w ill hesitate If t o moment in replying to the plain question, what oug's ° be the established church of a Catholic count:Jo' The " Letters from Naples" contain little or no O li o and merely repeat statements respecting the 1 18 f ois poverty. and idleness of the people, and the beaug climate—facts generally known to English readers." commenting on the fall of Napoleon, the writer v 3, oil in the opinion of the author, that this great Generio il jr been much overrated, that he had committed faults out number, that his crowning victory at Marene ll ' e fi use the words of Cromwell, was an accident, and if had been active and fit generals opposed to him, his must have been annihilated. Of this there can 10 pi doubt. The battle was completely gained, and Meias done his duty all the efforts of Dessaix and J man would have been in vain. Austria, in fact, vr° , ?; good genius of B ona p ar t e u p t o t h e R uss i an ca ul her wavering and vacillation,' her want of moral co! ,t carried him to victory, and th e v e r y s a me q ualit! e ,3o Prince Schwarzenberg had nearly decided the dal 1 :0 favour in 1814, when a million of enemies were tigP o d against his troops On the plains of France. In 9 ' brief notice of " Sybil" we find these remarks: — "Its tendency or avowed object—for the real one, afte is in the first place to entertain—is well understood. .if, D'lsraeli is for the ho ur th e f as hi ona bl e preacher of dr culating library; and he suits his sermons to the titue 9 ; his audience, with much more tact than the author of P $ stone, Hannah More, or even Miss Edgeworth." Os s We have room for only the following extract frorti o d political artichi. It relates to the banking and cul l !" system of Scotland, and is entitled to much 1 0 4 1 4 We may remark th a t, i n th e same ar ti c l e , th e to 3 Kffi cent ttemo.istration of the zeal and resolution of the traders, afforded by the Covent-garden Bazaar, i s „pi garded as the greatest stroke yet made by the LI and to it is attributed the remarkable change whit peared in the House of Commons CM the motion bro forward by Mr. Villiers:— " The 11 -^Q left us 'th a tbi _ne sma_ space left us we wish to occupy witk words on a matter affecting Scotland alone, but affectolati most vital interests of that country—Sir Robert Peel's 14 ference with the banking and currency system of Se°_,, t That interference we deprecate in the st ron gest terms' highly detrimental to Scotland, while useless to the 101 4 at large. Througho u t th e w h o l e S co tti s h commun ity' O exists on this subject no difference of opinion. All el A l;00, Tories, Whigs, ard Radicals; landlords and tenants of e p; houses and landed property; rich and poor, creditors,ol debtors, are unanimous in deprecating any meddling W i je ti, system of currency and banking which has existed so t if' and has been found to work so well. The suitableness' ce d different community, of the Scottish banking and cur t " system, we are not called on to prove. Possibly in aF inanity so large as that of England, so busy, so wholP, t , sorbed, as are both public companies and private indisn with their own affairs , so ign ora nt and r e gar dl ess of tb i fairs of others, it might b e pro d uct i ve o f l ess uninixe9 nefit. But here, in Scotland, wh ere no t on l y b an k s and el public companies, but private individuals, have so t a pit more leisure, so much more curiosity, and know each . °t o o' so much better tha n d o th e t wo m illi ons o f L on d o n cit l 2, our system of ba n ki ng l ea d s t o none o f th e m i sc hievol , sults which possibly it mi g ht p r od u ce in E ng l an d. Sire i f F had no such swindli : ,g c ompany in Edinb u r g h or Glase,pr the Independent and West Middlesex Assurance Conly_s d That monstrous and impudent fraud was openly carry 0, in London; and it was reserved to a citizen of Glase01 1 : expose and break it up. In Scotland we have no equif j e to that rapacious and dangerous, although perhaps usef f even necessary personage, the English bill-broker. by private loans are with us things comparatively rare' banker acting as the careful and intelligent agent bet tf those who have money to lend and those who requ" borrow." DOLMAN'S MAGAZINE, L. 3 LYlLil rta oft The present number of Dolman is an excellent 0, The opening paper, " An Adventure in the Pacific', from the pen of James Welsh, an American writer , it is dated from Baltimore. It is a most spirited de tion of the eruption of the Conseguina, a volcso bef Central America, in the year 1835. The greater no lli at' of the papers in this Magazine are devoted to the iso lie fence and propagation of the faith of the Roman Cs t'ptil o Church, and, differing as we do with the writers 1n plf nion, we cannot but admire the talent which they disp y 0 and honour them for the absence of that odium theolore which has hitherto been the besetting sin of all COn versial writers. ITARBIED. 4' On the 19th ult., at St. Dionis Backchurch, Lon( 10- , '4l Stratton, Esq., to Rosa Maria, only daughter of Der C o mmissary-General B. F. Telfer. tD ° On the 26th ult., at St. Pancras Church, Middlese',o4 l Rev. Raymond S. Daniell, 8.A., to Caroline Emma, you rs b daughter of the late G. Jackson, Esq., of North Reston. On the 28th ult. George . Pedler, of Fleet-stree.„,ool Hannah, third daughter of T. Rideal, Esq., of the Pa r " Brixton. DIED. AS On the 23d of January, at Sierra Leone, Mr. F. R. - r land, midshipman, her Majesty's ship Penelope. as 6 On the lath ult., at Tours, Mrs. Louis Monteuuis, ag e let On the 20th ult., at Hamble, near Southampton , I'' ander Ritchie, Esq. P S 17 On the 21st ult., at Parsonstown, the Hon. Mrs. . i 8 ll Powys, the wife of the Hon. Henry Powys, Captain I ° thn the 60 Royal 23d ult., at H Rifle Corps eadfort House, Mrs. G. Tuite O. oth D i O wife of G. T. T. Dalton, Esq. o On the 25th ult., at Blandecques, near St. Omer, g 0 Croft, Esq. Elizabeth On the 25th ult., at Spy-park, Wilts, Louisa Eli zA wife of the Rev. Wadham Knatelibull. de • 14 ° On the 26th ult., Henry Hubert, Esq , of West - lu ll 4 Hasns, aged 88. On ti t g he 26th ult., Henry Campbell, Esq., late of the 95 Highlanders, aged 49. i On the 28th ult., at Uxbridge, Mrs. Sarah SaverY• t , tli On the 28th ult., in North Audley-street, Margar-A 0' wife of W. P. Hamond, Esq. 31 t e On the 28th ult., Mrs. Ann Winn, widow of the Winn, Esq., 1\ ormanby, Lincolnshire. el „,- r stif,f,, Lonc'oi . erinte,l and Published by MURDO Tu,,,`", 0 , P o f .i..io. 112, Litram;, Printk , r, at The Sum 011ice7„,' 103 0 , &mut, in the Precinct of the SaTey, in the ' AlidcUeeez, Tuesday, July 1, 1845. STLR Packet a One of the a b o , days, at 7%, 6%, at 7,7%, 8% , 11 Brunswick W Ili, 3,4%, 51,6 4 , ( 1 , 7, and 8. - ..' . Observe ! 1 of these times. Fare Ca Salo® Tickets.—For ' Months, 2/. 2s. ; the Captains on 6tar'Office, Grp TONDO. 25, I' The FIRST A: Place at the LO DAY, July 3, at I Lord Tickets for ` he Stewards ; at the : Hall of Commerce. N . H. 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Bland ha 2ne ° of Tea, m aim , clean, full and perfe, pr ` 6B ' By vrhatever pr with n ____ macerat 4 Yours of Pekoe,s( so that e ven critic nu mber of cups of l after the common acme of the invenu i Bon. " The Coees ex ma t ma tflav ff our: an t he ilightost sedimei -mocha, the Afounta naturally developed " Commercial Sal Prospectuses, wit *harm (a portion of , of the Secretary, at City, where samples 4 Pamphlet on Tea ......__London, May 27, PATENT =notice is hereby In the above Comp awry, after which cis With, Offices, 2, 7sloorga u o M anufacturers e cts K ri - r e :s l:o .x Netting, at EDGINGTON and With Poles, Flexible Coaches, &c. 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That the MAKIN it seems to Bas..d y e t the FIR ~ been brough .V., : r If, after all, An l i j, v ll ,? 4 S l / IS Is t -- ' ENTIo! the Mightiest 1 ,ni Thousands o NYstern of s, „„. With lIONOITR iviteix will prove Ag ti l e e ach day 4 tl'er eY Pa " SA Thy of ! eustora e , cl eib, ierial re,-, hie s ca "llltere I I the ,P e r Yard }:„('' tr 4 1 ? , hase of ih e , tiCle 0 ? Sleet qu tri m dress want. %xi) T'llhZB. the en,,in the ;;4 4 "? and . M Z.tetisi °lA,tail klkd , rVt th e le e Iv Ad d •la oollei "th id Ilicle t, tioby BIRTHS. C ll O On the 25th ult., at Boulogne-sur-bier , the lady 0 , t of , B. Lousada, Esq., of Oakfield Lodge, Sussex, of a daug o 4 6 l On the 26th ult., in Ulster-place, the wife of J. Gar° Esq 0 ., of a daughter. n the 27th ult., at Kirkhallam Hall, Derbyshire, the of the Rev. G. S. Ebsworth, Vicar of Ilkeston, of a soil. 0 6 f On the 28th ult. ' in Bedford-square, the wife of Mr . jeant Bellasis, of a daughter.