The Sun. — London, England, 1844-08-07 00:00:00

1 THE SUN, LONDON, WE_DNESDAY MORNING, AUGUST 7, 1844. measures of this nature at a time when they could secure a full attendance of Members in their bordthirs' Irouge. Then, with retard to the Atot!'opolis far ago as thii ltth oflnc he had called the Noble b.)td'S Attt!ntion to the fact that that Bill had been be- rote the Commons three months, and that no progress had been made in it, and had expressed a wish that it should be before their Lordships for rs sufficient tittle td enable theai to give the rileastife Atte consideration. Now, the other night when he had directed their Lord ships' attention to the sanatory condition of the metro polis, the Noble Duke opposite had laid great stress on the report of the Sanatory Commissioners. Would it be believed that the main enactments of this Bill were in direct opposition to that report? The great object of the Bill was to erect party walls. But the eridened taken becore the Commission also Wed that that was the least im perfent and the most expensive alteration that could have been made. It would add 16s. a year to the rent of small houses. Whereas the cost of supplying them with water and drainage would have been only ss. He should like to know if this Bill had ever been referred to those Commisioners, and if it had been, what was their reason for discrediting the evidence which had been taken before them? What had their Lordships been doing for the five-and-a-half months before. 'They had passed two measures as regarded England, and one as regarded Ireland. One of them was the Dissenters' Chapels Bill, for the introduction of which he returned the Noble and Learned Lord his best thanks. He did not give him equal credit for the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill. It had not been introduced as being the best possible measure, hut they were told that it had one merit—they could cal culate on its success. Where was that Bill now ? (Hear, hear.) Where was that SUMS the Noble Lord had prophesied ?--'(hear, hear.) And these were the only two attempts, with one exception, which had been made to fill up the inane vacuity in which they had passed five months and a-half. When the session opened it was the general opinion that the speech promised little, but it was considered that what little was promised would be performed. Of all the measures mentioned in the speech one only had passed, that respecting the Bank Charter. Persons who were well informed on the sub ject considered that a hazardous experiment, and many of those who had voted for it were but little aware of what its effects might be. The only measure regarding Ireland which had passed that House was the Charitable Bequests Bill, a measure that reflected great credit upon the Government. But that had not originated in any comprehensive scheme. It had originated in a petition which he had presented from a worthy Protestant cler gyman, who had exposed himself to great obloquy be cause he had come before their Lordships to advocate the claims of his poor Catholic parishioners to a charity of 71. 10s. a.year. Lord WHARNCLIFFE—Oh, no ; that measure had been long intended. The Marquis of NORMANBY was glad to hear it, but, at all events the Government had given no an nouncement of their intention. Their attention had been directed, in the speech from the throne, to the early consideration of a measure for the registration of voters in Ireland. It was natural that the present Government should direct their attention to such a measure, for, four years since, the Members composing that Government had forced the attention of Parliament to the considera tion of the subject during the administration of his No ble Friend. They said that no delay ought to take place in the passing of the measure. But what had been the result ?--a Bill had been introduced and withdrawn, and most properly withdrawn, as it was not calculated to give satisfaction. That Bill exhibited a d egree of igno rance ndwshesof the an p y e people Government.ple of Ire land, as to which the w wants reprehensible and n a smost He had before alluded to the Landlord and Tenant Commission, and nothing had occurred to induce him to alter his opinion since he had expressed his regret that that Commission had been appointed. It was calculated to excite delusive expectations and hopes that could never be realised. The Government was in possession of' ample information for the , purposes of legislation by the Census Commissioners. those Commissioners had divided the habitations of the people into four classes. The lowest class consisted of mud cabins, wi th on ly one room ; the next of mud cabins with two rooms ; the third of the smallest description of atone houses, which might be called barn-houses ; and all above were ranked in the first class. There were only 11 per cent. of the po pulation living in first class houses ; 13 per cen t. li ve d i n second class houses ; 40 per cent in third class houses ; and 43 per cent. in houses of the worst class ; so that out of the whole population of Ireland, 83 out of every 100 lived in mud cabins. Then, with regard to the farms, 40 per cent. consisted of farms of from one to five acres, and only seven per cent. of the f arms excee d e d 30 acres. Two-thirds of theinhabitants got their living as unskilled labourers, and 90 per cent. of the population could not read or write. Surely these were data suffi cient on which to ground legislation. The whole of the legislation—all the important mea sures , h a d b een brought into their Lordships House within the last month. It was said the delay was owing to the House of Commons ; but, if so, it in a great measure arose from the " counting out " of that House ; and this took place generally from there being some motion on the notice paper unpalatable to the Govern ment.—(Hear, hear.) The House of Lords had lately been converted into a mere mechanical piece of legisla tion. A great number of Bills were passed last night without any explanation. He hoped that these evils would not occur in future, and that the House of Lords would not be treated in the manner they had been during the present session. The Noble Lord concluded by moving for a return. The Duke of WELLINGTON said he thought the complaint of the Noble Lord with regard to the inat tention of that House and of the Government regarding public business was not well-founded. If any Noble Lord felt any doubt as to any measure proposed by the Government, some member of the Government was always prepared to give an explanation. He had always taken care to furnish such information regard ing papers as was desirable. On the previous night, he had not remained in the House later than 11 o clock, but his Noble Friend (Lord Wharncliffe) had under taken the management of it, and he felt sure it had not suffered in his hands. It was not fair to blame the Go vernment for bringing forward important measures at a late hour, when Noble Lords opposite occupied the earlier hours with di scuss i ons intro d uce d b y t h emse l ves. A' considerable portion of the session, in both Houses, had been occupied in discussing measures of a very im portant nature, but the Government was not in any way the cause of the delay, or of " the countings out." or of the misapplication of public time, if the Noble Lord would choose to term it such. The arrangements of business were what they had been for 150 years. One Bill had originated in this House which the Noble Lord said was not a Government Bill, but this was a mistake. The Government had given notice of their intention to bring forward a measure on this subject at an early period of the pres en t sess i on. With respect to t h e other measures, it was true that the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill, and other measures, had met with disappointment in the other House of Parliament, but for this the Government would by no means be held answerable. He wished to defend his Noble Friend and himself from any charge of neglect, and to assure their Lordships that he was every iwnayblswepi Duketlohwneg ratto on his aolletrimo give l e r s ua t fd. all the information it was The Marquis o f L ANSDOWNE compl i mented the a e n r d z incessant tly wtehe ll complaintaNsosibdiuiy in that offer of hi s Noble Friend' constant ateet clnthou ght, aw ac s p e however, housefounded, a d and be e a n g r b e y e d t h m e it p h res h e i n m t G i n o v t e h r i n n m k i e n n g t e t o h n a v t e r t h t e a d t into a mere court of registration. The amount of busi siness passed through this House, or, rather, hurried through it, was enormous. It was impossible to suppose that laws could be perfect, when they were hurried through the Legislat ure w i thout discussion—they were forced through it, and ripened into sudden maturity, like fruit in the dog days. In the early part of the session, there was a perfect vacuum in the business of that House. He had come from the country on the previous day to oppose a clause in the R a il ways Bill, wh i c h he t h ought would be injurious and insulting to the lower classes, and the clause was at length proposed and carried in a most incomprehensible form, from its having been so hastily drawn up; and the request of twenty-four hours' delay, that the clause m i g h t be printed and circulated, so that it might be properly understood, was refused, because of the late period of the session. Those crude laws so hastily passed would, instead of being useful, disfigure the statute-book. The mode in which the House proceeded in this business reminded him of the story of a n em i nent i n di v id ual, whose name probably might be known to their Lordships. He was very wealthy, and made a great number of legacies, and when it was asked how he spent his evenings before he went to bed, it was answered, by callin g f or hi s w ill an d making legacies. It was asked how he spent his time in evening.—(Laughter.) The latter part of the session the morning, and it was . answered, calling for his will in making . imperfect laws, and the early and altering the legacies he had made on the previous portion of the following session in amending them.— neTkdientEnva their (Hear, hear, and cheers.) For his (the Marquis of Lansdowne's) part, he was often glad to see the stran ger's gallery so thinly attended at the latter part of the e li v 'a e s nng employed propelled in that session, that it might be less generally known with what s l p lo e The Earl of WIIARNCLIFFE defended the Govern ment from the charge of neglect or procrastination. It was said by the Noble Lord .opposite that he had never t e i d s e. the Hmoachi wouldner yo not t f n il seen a royal speech promise so little as the last. lle (the Earl of Wharncliffe) thought that that was rather a merit than a defect. Most of the suggestions in it had been acted upon, and brought to a successful conclusion —the Bank of England Charter, for instance. The Registration of Voters in Ireland Bill, it was true, had been deferred, but that was a measure which required the utmost deliberation, and they had accordingly post. poned it. Th ose were the only subjects mentioned in the Queen's speech. But had they done nothing else? Had they passed no other measures which met with with general approbation? Had they not passed the measure of the Three-and•a-Half p er C ents., one of the most important financial matters which had ever been brought under the consideration of Par liament? They had also brought in, and succeeded in carrying, an amendment on the Factories Bill; they were also about to pass the Poor-law Amendment Bill, and it could not be said that this had not been a most fruitful session, It was true they had not been able to carry the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill, but its own impor tance, and the still greater importance of other measures, prevented a full discussion of it during the present ses sion, but the Government had not by any means lost sight of it. He asserted that the Charitable Bequests Bill relating to Ireland, had originat e d w i t h the present Government, and not with Noble Lords opposite. The Government had not done as much as they might wish to have done ; but they had done as much as was performed in the average of sessions. He wished th e Bill s were sent up to this House a little earlier, and he also desired that they might receive as full t description as possible. It was asked why more measur es did not originate in this House, bvt he did not titua•sticb Bills were re- FRANCE AND MOROCCO. Copy of a letter from the agent to Lloyd's, at Gibraltar, dated July 27, 1844: " Sir,—During the present critical state of affairs in Morocco, many on your side may be anxious for intel ligence regarding , the intended operations of the French, but there are so many reports afloat as to the views of Admiral the Prince de Joinville, that it is impossible to arrive at any correct conclusion. " From what I have been able to learn, it appears that the French Consul and his family were withdrawn from Tangiers about the beginning of this week, but the vice•consul or that nation, unfortunately, did not succeed in getting off, being prevented by the Moors and held as a hostage. This step on the part of the French being considered by the population of Tangiers as the pre cursor to hostilities, the Christian and Jewish residents have been for several days past flocking to this garrison for refuge in considerable numbers, which has caused great excitement, and given birth to the numerous rumours in circulation. •" This morning her Majesty's ship Albion departed for Tangiers, and will be joined there by the Warspite (cruizing in the Straits) for the protection of British interests at that port. " I am credibly informed that all the Consuls at Tan giers are now on hoard the Seanish and other foreign ships anchored there, and it is said that two of them have been deputed by the consular corps to proceed to Cadiz, where the French fleet is anchored, to submit to his Royal Highness their wish, that no coercive mea sures may be adopted by the squadron under his com mand, until the return of our Consul-General, Mr. Drum mond Hay, upon his diplomatic mission to Fez, so as to afford the opportunity of an amicable settlement of ex isting disputes, and also with a view that his life might not be endangered in a country in which the whole fana tical population are under arms. " It is to be hoped that war between France and Morocco, may yet be averted by the negotiations in progress, and that the Prince will not be hurried into any premature act of coercion, though, I fear, that the conditions imposed on the Emperor by the French, may be such as his Majesty may, from circumstances beyond his control, be unable to fulfil, however much he may desire to comply. (Signed) " To Wzn. Dobson, Esq." " J. L. COWELL. LONDON', Auo. 6.—Wind W., fresh breeze, and cloudy It rained hard last night and early this morning. DRAT, AUG. 5, A.m.—Wind S. to S.S.W., light ; r.st., S.E. by E., fresh breeze.—Arrd. Indian, Launceston. Sid. Sarah Scott, Sydney, New South Wales; Honeymoon, China; Vneidschaap and Clara Henrietta, Batavia; liashenry, Vau malaavden, Calcutta ; Tigris, Ceylon ; Palmyra, Bom bay; kite, Mauritius; Sampson, Algoa Bay; Prince, West Coast of Africa; Elizabeth Gunner, Jamaica; John Craig and Glenlyon, Quebec; Sarah, Valparaiso; John Peat, Ber muda; and the whole of the outward boqnd, except Childe llarold, Duke of Roxburgh, Mountain Maid, Louisa Baillie, General Woolfe, Adriana, and Paling. PORTSMOUTH, Auo s.—Wind S.E.—Sld. London, Mau ritius; Switzerland, New York; Trusty, Quebec. Gowns, Auo. s.—Sid. Princess Josephine, Quebec. BZISTOL, AUG. s.—The Margaret, Thomas, from Rotter dam to this port, drove ashore on the Boughton Sands, Car marthen Bay, on the 2d instant, and is likely to become a wreck ; crew saved ; cargo reported to be washing out. A schooner was seen to go down off St. Gowan's Head, during the gale of the 3d instant, by the Star steamer, arrived here from Tenby. LIVERPOOL, Auo. s.—Wind varying and light.—Arrd. Fax, La Guayra ; Asenath, Wright, Quebec; Aylesford, Rio Grande. Sld. Otterspool, Calcutta; Prince of Wales, Mauri tius ; Peruvian, Rio Janeiro ; Martha, Gulf of Mexico ; El lerslee, Vera Cruz; Bombay, New Orleans; Pontiac, Ports mouth, N.H.; Dublin, Boston ; Argyle and Canada, Quebec. Off, Columbia, Savanilla, Heroine. The Ethiope steamer, for Africa, which put back yesterday, was leaky in her upper works, and had her pumps choked with coal. ABERDEEN, AUG. 3.—Arrd. Brilliant, Elliott, Quebec. Sld. Colloonev, Quebec. Off, William Dawson, Quebec. OFF MARYPORT, AUG. s.—Shaw, Quebec. YOUGHAL, AUG. 2.—Arrd. True Blue, Oliver, Port Wallace. YARMOUTH, Auo. 2.—Arrd. Mary and Dorothy, Storey, qk iebee. TORBAY, AUG. 4.—Arrd. Monarch, London, for Calcutta ; Premier, London, for Barbadoes, and both sailed sth for their destination. Sld. sth. Mary Halket, Pernambuco ; Arrol, New York ; Edmond and Sir J. Falstaff, Quebec, with other outward-bound vessels. OFF SWANAGE, AUG. 4.—Oracle, Illuchsen, St. Croix, for Fleusburg. DARTMOUTH, AUG. s.—Arrd. Favorite, London, for Oporto, with sails split, and loss of foretopmast. FALMOUTH, AUG. 4.—Sid. Britanna, Ichaboe. GLOUCESTER, Auo. s.—Arrd. Achilles, Taganrog, with loss of boats, sails, &c. ; Radcliff, Quebec. BRISTOL, Auo. s.—Sld. Edward Colston, Africa ; Feuna, Swift, Tasso, and Five Sisters, Quebec. TENET, AuG. 4.—The Dart, of Bristol, from Sydney to Liverpool, is aground at the Pier• head, with cargo shifted. A sloop was seen to founder near the mouth of Carmarthen River, during the gale yesterday. Part of the cargo of the Richard, of Sunderland, lost on the ,South Sands, has been saved. PBNZAIICE AUG. 4.—The Whim, of Ipswich, Thomas, was totally wrecked at Kynance, this side of the Lizard, during the gale of the 2d and 3d instant; crew drowned. BUDE, AUG. 5. —A quantity of wreck, and the stem of a vessel marked "Integrity, of St. Ives," master's name sup posed to be Husband, also several handspikes marked I have come ashore at Northeott Mouth ; the vessel is sup posed to have foundered during the gale on the might of the 2d instant. NP.wrortT, AUG. 5.--The William, Roe, from Quebec, wan towed in here, 3d inst., with rudder unshipped, &c„ having driven from her anchors and struck heavy on the tail of the Spit during a severe gale. LLANNADOCK, AUG. 4.—The Thetis, of Swansea, Lucas, from Cardiff to Rotterdam, sunk at her moorings in Axwich Bay, in two fathoms low water, during the gale of the 2d and 3d inst. The vessels ashore at Worms Head hay. gars to pieces. LLANELLI", Auo. 4.—Part of the stern of a vessel, called the Medina, of Carnarvon, has been found amongst the wreck of the Friends, of Ilfracombe; it is supposed the Medina is also lost, and the crew drowned. VESSELS SPOKEN WlTlL—Rebel, of London, for Smyrna, 12th ult., lat. 37, lon. 10 ; Jason, London to Leghorn, 22d ult., lat. 42, lon. 10, with loss of stern boat, head-boards, &c., by the Ibis, arrived at Liverpool. BRITISH TRADE WITH THE CANARY ISLANDS. Extract of a letter received at Lloyd's : " Santa Cruz, Teneriffe, June 14, 1344. " We take this occasion to mention that, in consequence of the differential duty in favour of the Spanish flag, the whole of the very extensive importation of British Cotton goods into the Canary Islands are made in Spanish vessels, to the absolute exclusion of British. The duty is 7 per cent. in Spanish and 15 per cent. on British vessels. On a low valuation of cotton goods the Spanish vessels making good freights hither become the carriers of the produce of these islands to Great Britain." ASTLEY'S THEATRE.—This fashionable place of resort has been doing wonders. Never, even in the most palmy days of Astley and Ducrow, were its present per formances and success equalled. Every night it is at tended by highly numerous and most fashionable com panies. The Chinese War does not seem to have lost in the slightest degree any of its attractions, although it has been represented for ten weeks. This is not to be wondered at, for it is well got up, and, as a gorgeous representation of national conquests, it has, perhaps, never been equalled. The Steeple Chase, with all its hair-breadth escapes, has nightly drawn many admirers. Nothing can be better managed than this illustration of a truly English sport, and every one who has witnessed or taken part in a real steeple chase must look on with feelings of great pleasure. The spirited owner of this establishment has just returned from the Continent, after having engaged several celebrated artists, who will shortly mae their debut to an English audience. Amonast the names engaged are Mesdames Heleni, Le zetti, Phillipi ; Mons. Pierre, Mons. Georgi, and Mons. Ferdinand Solanadt. IMPER/AL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, August 6. ROYAL COMMISSION. Their Lordships met at a Quarter before Four, when the Royal Assent was given by Commission to the utiz dermentioned Bills :—The Three-and-a-Half per Cent. Dissentients Bill, the Ecclesiastical Jurisdictions Bill, the Debtors and Creditors Bill, the Militia Pay Bill, the Alien Act Amendment Bill, the Clerks of the crown in Chant eery Mil, the Privy Council Bill, the New South Wales Administration ofJustice Bill, the Trafalgar-square Bill, the Detached Parts of Counties Bill, the Land-tax Com missioners Bill, the Farm-buildings Bill, the Licenses Bill, the Duchy of Cornwall Bill, the Criminal Justice (Middlesex) Bill, the Xew South Wales Customs Bill, the Books and Engravings Bill, the Transfer of Pro perty Bill, the Unlawful Oaths (Ireland) Bill, the Party Processions (Ireland) Bill, the Dublin and Cashel Rail way Bill, the Wishaw and Coltness Railway Bill, the North Wales Railway Bill, the London and Croydon Railway Bill. the Ayr Bridge Bill, the Swansea Im provement Bill, the Hull Docks and Harbour Bill, the Rochdale Improvement Bill, the Isle of Wight Improvement Bill, the Warwick Improvement Bill, the Ramsden Estate Bill, Wilson's Estate Bill, the Harris Estate Bill, the Lord Despencier's Estate Bill, the Nutting-hill Estate Bill, Bowyer's Estate Biil, the Jarvis Estate Bill, Lubbock's Estate Bill, the Bishop of London's Estate Bill, Morton's Estate Bill, the Lord Cranstoun's Estate Bill, the Warrington Curacy Bill, the Down and Connor and Dromore Estate Bill, Cheape's Divorce Bill, and Gough's Divorce Bill. The Royal Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, the Duke of Buccleuch,and the Earl of Dalhousie. Their Lordships then adjourned during pleasure. Their Lordships resumed at Five o'clock. The Marquis of NORMANBY presented a petition from Jamaica, praying that if the duty on foreign sugar should be reduced, the duty on colonial sugar should be reduced also. HER MAJESTY'S ACCOUCHEMENT. The Duke of WELLINGTON rose and said, I am sure your Lordships have participated in the joy of the public upon the occurrence of this day, and that you must be anxious to avail yourselves of the earliest op portunity to express your congratulations to her Majesty upon her safety, and upon the joyful event.. I therefore more, in conformity with the usual practice, and with out giving notice, that a humble address be presented to her Majesty, to congratulate her Majesty on the birth of another Prince, and to assure her Majesty that every increase to her Majesty's illustrious family, and every addition to her Majesty's domestic happiness will afford the most unfeigned joy and satisfaction to the House of Lords.—(Cheers.) Lord MELBOURNE—I beg leave, my Lords, to second that motion,—(Cheers.) The motion was then put from the Woolsack, by the LORD CHANCELLOR, who declared it to be carried neniinc dissentiente. COMMON-LAW PROCESS BILL. CONFERENCE. Lord Hawarden and other Peers, having been ap pointed to manage a conference with the Commons on the subject of the Common Law Process Bill, left the House for the purpose of attending the said conference, and, on their return, reported the reasons of the Com mons for persisting in their amendments to the House. AR FS-UNION BILL.—CONFERENCE. Several of their Lordships were appointed to hold a conference with the Commons on the subject of the Arts-Union Bill, who, on their return, reported the con ference to the House JOINT-STOCK COMPANIES BILL. On the motion of the Earl of RIPON the Joint-stock Banks Bill was read a third time, the amendments were ordered to be printed, and to be taken into consideration on Thursday. AFFAIRS OF SERVIA. Lord BEAUMONT said that he wished to put • question to the Noble Earl on the subject of the affairs of Servia. It would be in the recollec tion of their Lordships that a debate had taken place on this subject at the commencement of the session. Since then a conspiracy had been formed against Prince Alexander Georgeowitz, which had been discovered, and the conspirators had been condemned. Prince Alexander had then been given to understand that he would be complying with the wishes of a northern Power if he were to pardon these conspirators, and in flict on them only a slight imprisonment instead of the punishment of death—it was intimated to Prince Alex ander that if he pardoned those conspirators there would be no objection to the return of the two Ministers who had been sent into exile at the desire of Russia, but who were in high favour with the Porte. On that understanding the pardon was granted, but the promise of Russia had not been kept, and the Ministers were still in exile. He wished to ask the Noble Earl if it was in his power to communicate any information to the House on the subject, and if he had, as a friend to the Porte, exercised his influence to induee a certain northern Power to consent to the resto ration of the two Ministers. The Earl of ABERDEEN, in answer to the question of the Noble Lord, wished to state that he had no know ledge whatever of any such engagement as that referred to by the Noble Lord, nor had he any reason to know or to believe that any such promise had been made as the Noble Lord had mentioned. But though he had no knowledge or belief of any such engagement, it might be satisfactory to the Noble Lord to learn, that, from recent communications received from her Majesty's Minister at the Court of St. Petcrburgh, the Imperial Government had no objection whatever to the return of these two Ministers. Lord BEAUMONT was perfectly satisfied with the answer of the Noble Earl. Ile must have been misled by his information. COURT-MARTIAL ON LIEUTENANT GRAY. The Earl of MINTO asked whether the court-martial which had been recently held on Lieutenant Gray had been held by the exclusive directions of the Admiralty, or in consequence of some representations from a foreign Power. Lord HADDINGTON said the court-martial was held in consequence of communications made in certain correspondence to the Foreign-office. The Earl of ABERDEEN wished to add to the an swer given by his Noble Friend, that although the court martial had taken place in consequence of the represen tations of a foreign Government, yet no foreign Govern ment had ever suggested any such proceedings. The French Government complained of the violation of the treaty and of the right of search. A French ship having been searched without warrants, and on that being reportad in the proper department the Admiralty had thought proper to institute the proceedings that had taken place. The Earl of MINT() was satisfied with the answer of the Noble Earl as far as it went. He had no doubt that if a grave complaint was made by a foreign Power, the Admiralty would be justified in inquiring into it by court-martial, but he himself did not see any such ir regularity in the conduct of this officer as to call for such an inquiry. The Duke of WELLINGTON—AII irregularities are always tried by court-martial. The Earl of MINTO said there was one other ques tion which he wished to put, whether the senior captain at th port of Plymouth (Captain Burgoyne) was a mem ber of that court-martial? The Earl of HADDINGTON said he had not read the minutes of the court-martial. If the Noble Earl wished to have an answer on those points, he should have given notice of this question. On the face of the papers referred to, the Admiralty thought there was a case that ought to be inquired into. CONFERENCE. . • A conference with the Commons on the County Courts Bill was appointed for Thursday next. REVIEW OF THE SESSION. The Marquis of NORMAN BY rose to call their at tion to the subject of which be had given notice. Per haps the words "To call their attention" were erro neous, for even from what had passed that evening and last night there was not one of their Lordships, who en tertained a con sc i en ti ous f ee li ng w ith rega rd to the dis charge of his duty who must not be ashamed of the man ner in which, for some reason or other, during the last few days the legislative machinery of that House had been brought into play. He was present last night and a ttended in the House till one o'clock morning, and certainly the manner in which Bills were passed through the stage at which it was generally supposed that they would meet with some consideration, would hardly be imagined by those who had not seen it. Bills of every kind and description —he counted, he be lieved, ten of them passed through in the manner he had mentioned. The Noble Lord who officiated as their Chairman, did certainly give them the necessary information that there was a title and a preamble to each Bid; he had been absent from the House for some during the past week, and he was not aware but these Bills had had their subject-matter in some degree dis cussed on former occasions. But on inquiring of some of his Noble Friends he found that none of these Bills had been explained to the House. Now he recollected that when a Noble Friend of his (Lord Besborough) formerly conducted the business of the House, he used to insist on the subject-matter being opened to the discussion of their Lordships on the second reading. He did not complain of the manner in which the Noble Chairman passed through these Bills. On the contrary, if he found discussion to be impossible, he rather honoured bim for not going through any humbug on the subject. This rapidity might be neces sary; he admitted that the business of the country was I pressing very hard on both branches of the Legislature during the time in which they were assembled. But, in general, there had been some reason for this. Let them look at the Bills which had been recently pressed upon their consideration. There had been two Bills to which their attention had been directed during the last week—the Poor-law Bill and the Metropolis Buildings Bill. Now the Poor-law Bill had been introduced to their Lord ships' notice at eleven o'clock at night on the sth of August, and yet they were told that it was a measure of the utmost consequence, that it had created great excitement throughout the country, and that great prejudices were entertained out of doors on the subject. Now was not that a reason why the subject should have been sub r nby i t o t ar e rd d ge ur t oin thatethn e t t r ho L ef or r r s o 1 dispellingri d i p s h ' p a s t t e hmo n s t g i e on p n t r haveeaj t u d an a e e ns a . o r p l i pL e o r e r t p t, ue themrn i o ty d laol f tt k oh uneari night Noble dt n o b e d‘ e o ea b f s La t pt h o: e r. ed_ consequenc es o a HousekNe f no t b h ptl i aeh s rart d t ri e eni ev e net y hnd . ei no debate hisboa a t t t eh o t aho n de e f said that their Lordships' House was of all others the place best fitted for the discussion of the poor-law ques • tion, because there were eighty chairmen of boards of guardians Members of their Lordships' House. Now he should like to ask how many of these Noble Lords were present last night ? They might have acted very im• properly in absenting themselves, but still it was the duty of the Government to bring forward important cowed i,n tho same faktitteable spirit as iri thd to* et douse iVlieti they originated there. He would not oppose the production of the papers for which the Noble had moved. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE did not think the explanation of the Noble Lord at all satisfactory. The Noble Lord b oisted a good deal of the Three-and-a-Half pre Ctiritti, hilt hii did riot think there was any thing very novel or statesmanlike in the idea : lie belidvdd it was a good measure, but it was generally anticipated. He approved of the financial policy of the Government gene rally, but he altogether disapproved of the manner in which tees had treated that House, which was now the chief subject of discussion. The Irish Registration Bill might not be very pressing I he felt confident it was better tile present law should be allowed to continue than that the Government measure should pass into a law. It was a farce to say the present constituency of Ireland was popular—it was narrow, cramped, and restricted. The Charitable Bequesta Bill contained much that was good and useful, but, at th# same time, it was a great mistake to say that the measure had originated with the present Government; it had been devised by their pre decessors. The hurly burly way which measures had been passed through that House was in a great measure attributable to the Government. Many Bills had gone through the House without a single word being said upon them. The Grand Jury (Dublin) Presentment Bill, he would venture to say, was not understood by any of their Lordships, and nu one had said a word upon it but himself. lie thought the motion of his Noble Friend well timed ; and ho trusted that he would bring it for ward next session. For his own part, he thought the course that had been pursued was not calculated to in crease the esteem of the people for Parliament. The Earl of WICKLOW was net at all surprised at the course that had been pursued by the Noble Marquis, as these species of discussions had now taken place for several years at this period of the session. He thought many of the complaints that had been made against the Government with respect to the introduction of Bills was totally uncalled fqr. As to the censure that had been cast upon the Government for the counting out of the house of Commons, he thought it lay with Members on the other side, and not with the Government. The Marquis of NORMANBY, in reply, stated that the manner in which the business of the House had been conducted latterly was greatly detrimental to the coun try. Bills had been hurried through the House in a most unseemly way. In conclusion, he wished to know whether the Metropolitan Buildings Bill had been sub mitted to the Commissioners alluded to by his Noble Friend. He thought some course ought to be adopted to put an end to the legerdemain legislation that had lately taken place. He thought if the House met at four o'clock instead of five o'clock that might be prevented. The Duke of BUCCLEUCH said that the Metropoli tan Buildings Bill had not been specifically referred to the Commissioners alluded to. The motion was then agreed to. POOR-LAW AMENDMENT BILL. Lord WJIARNCLIFFE moved that the House should resolve itself into a Committee on the Poor-law Amend ment Bill. The Bishop of EXETER objected to the motion. He thought it would be useless to attempt to go on with the measure at the present late period of the session ; they had, in fact, only that night to discuss it, although the House of Commons had taken seven or eight days to do so. There was no pressure for the measure during the present session, and he should therefore move that it be committed that day six months. It became that House to give the subject its greatest attention, and was it to be said that it could be properly discussed in a House consisting of not one twentieth of its Members ? The present law was an experimental law, and the ex periment had answered most marvellously ; that it had seen the cause of the incendiarism that had taken place he thought there was very little doubt. These reasons alone appeared to him to press their Lordships to con sider well what provisions should be made with respect to the poor, and to take care that no rash provisions should be adopted. No provision in the present Bill had any relation to the spiritual education of the poor, and he thought such an omission showed that the sub ject had not been well and duly considered. He thought the Secretary of State was responsible for this, not only to his country, but to his God. Their Lordships could not pass a measure of this kind hastily, if they wished to have the sanction of their country. He felt indignant that men, placed in the situation of Ministers of the Crown, should dare so to trifle with their duty as to en deavour to thrust forward a measure like the present. If their Lordships passed this miserable expedient, they might depend upon it that they would set at nought the best interests of the people. The law of Elizabeth said that the poor had a right to subsistence and to be pro tected from want ; but if the present measure passed, that right would be taken away. The Poor-law Bill of 1834 was the product of the Malthusian theory. He (the Bishop of Exeter) had the greatest respect for Mr. Malthus, but he objected to his principles. The biographer of Mr. Malthus said—Mr. Malthus' philosophy and the poor-law must stand or fall together. Mr. Justice Blackstone said the poor were entitled by the canon law to relief from the parsons and parishioners of every parish. The statute of Elizabeth required that there should be work found for the poor in their own parish. It positively enjoined the building of new cot tages for them, if their previous dwellings were not suf ficient. Liberty—the liberty of the public at large— was recognised in that statute the Magna Charta, as he ventured to call it, of the poor. If the British Legis lature had recognised this right in 1834, it would have dealt with the poor as freemen, instead of shutting them up in gaols. Gaol was a strong word, but he would cite ; an authority to prove that it was not too strong. (The Right Rev. Prelate then read a letter of the Poor law Commissioners, characteristic of the poor-house system, as a system of poor-law restraint). This was all which was necessary to establish the justice of the appellation. He then referred to the state of the pauper schools, and the ignorance of the school masters. Mr. Tufnell had stated that tho character of the bulk of the adult population, and the , example they set were of the worst description. Was it to be endured that honest persons of good character should be compelled to associate with persons who would contaminate them, and that their wives and children should be exposed to the same evil? These considerations were so important, that he defied them to go on with the Bill in its present shape. As Christians, they could not, as legislators they would not. Under the old law, and under the Gilbert Acts, man and wife could not be separated. In case relief was required, the wife could not be removed to the place where she had a settlement, even though the husband had no settlement at all. Lord Brougham had denied that the Commis sioners ever ordered the separation of man and wife. He had taken pains to bring that to the test. He wished to bring the point to issue, by a trial in a court of law ; but his counsel told him that his diffi culty was this : the orders of the Commissioners were made of the same authority as an Act of Parliament. The only question then was, whether Parliament had the power to separate man and wife, and ho was not prepared to say it had not that power. lie did not, however, think any parallel to the power given by this Act could be found, except in the Act of Henry VIII., which gave to his proclamations, during his life, the force of law, and another Act of Heary 111., by which his obsequious Parliament gave to the De Spencers, and other minions of that monarch, the power of making regulations that were to have the force of law. No such power as this was ever given by any other Act. But the separation of man and wife was now the abso lute law in 460 unions—many of them very extensive, some of them covering as much as 300 square miles. In such a union as this, it was impossible for the poor to leave their homes to go so far for relief. The hardship they suffered from this cause was very grievous. They had been told on many occasions, and they had been told last night, of the abuses of the old poor law. But it should be remembered that they were abuses, whereas those evils of which he complained were legal parts of the system—that was the great distinction. And these abuses of the old law were, besides, of comparatively modern introduction ; they were principally these — the system of allowances, of roundsmen, and the pay ment of wages out of the rates. All these practices were, he believed, introduced in the years 1795 and 1796. These were years of singular scarcity and dis tress, when the prices of provisions had risen to an enormous height, in consequence of scarcity aggravated by the war. Then arose the practice of allowances and roundsmen, which was first adopted, he believed, in the county of Berks. But in the county of Durham, where he had long resided, and in the north of England, it had only been adopted to a limited extent, though in the south of England it was so general that it created the impression of its being a universal practice. He thought it was their bounden duty, when they were endeavouring to fix on a right basis an en during system of poor-laws, that they should consider well whether they could not revert to the state of things that existed under the 43d of Elizabeth, with such checks as ought to be provided against the repetition of those gross abuses which led to those evils which were made the plea for enacting the present law. Could such a question as this be decided that night ? He did not think there were as many as twelve Peers present. The House of Commons had taken six months to consider the Bill, while their Lordships certainly would not have as many hours. Was not this a measure of such a com plicated nature as to render more ample time for delibe ration absolutely necessary? lie must say that it was not only a most complicated ;,measure, but that he thought the necessity for passing it at the present time was so inconsiderable—there was so little reason for passing the Bill this year, that to do so with so little consideration would be absolutely trifling with the sacred interests of the poor. He did hope, that what he might have said that night, however weakly, or perhaps with an appearance of greater warmth than he ought to have spoken, would not be permitted to injure with their Lordships the cause he was advocating; and he hoped he had brought forward facts enough to induce their Lordships to support the motion which he should now make—that this House do go into Committee on this Bill on this day six months. The Duke of WELLINGTON said he had listened with great patience to the speech of the Right Rev ; Prelate, and in reply, he bogged to call their Lordships attention, in the first place, to the arguments which the Right Rev. Prelate had brought forward to induce th eir Lordships to postpone the consideration of this measure to a future period. In the first place, the Right Rev. Prelate told their Lordships, an hour and a half a g o, that it was too late in the evening to go into the consi deration of this Bill, and he afterwards said there was not a sufficient number of Peers presen t to discuss it. He begged to remind the H ouse that they had frequently sat till a much later hour than They were not at all theirthis, a n n u d mbe th rs at we a re t f t e h w e p ; according to the constitution of that House, to con sider any question whate ver. eetsenttbeymo: ,e e r n e t, suffi th e o j u en gh t, too nd fewr the to consideration discuss e ur h e lo th us a e t bofarlcobmeemnonsos. andlong u one which related to a sub j ect so perfectly well known under to all their Lordships , and one w hich had, in fact, been under the considerat i o n of Parliament during the last l m of measure three of roue session.. It had been introduced both by the late and present Goveennient at different times, and had only been postponed in consequence of the pressure of public business. At last, this measure had been considered and brought to maturity, in the present session, in. the house of Commons, and now came recommended by that House to their Lordships' consideration. And this was the measure which was at this period of the session to be put off, night after night, though it had for its object the amendment of many of those evils in the present law of which the Right Rev. Prelate complained.—(Hear, hear.) The real question then was, whether they should enter into the discussion of a Bill having this amendment for its object. The Right Rev. Prelate had alluded to the subject of work house chaplains. lie (the Duke of Wellington) la mented that the Bill did not contain all the amendments of the existing law on this point, which he thought it ought to have contained. But the Right Rev. Prelate having entered into that subject very forcibly, then warmed up, and came to what was his real object, which was the repeal of the existing law. That was what the Right Rev. Prelate wanted ; he wished them to return to the system that existed before the present law was enacted. They ought not, he said, to pass this Bill, which was not intended to amend that law, but at once to repeal it. Now, if the Right Rev. Prelate pleased to give notice that, in the course of this or the next week, he would bring in a Bill to repeal the existing law, and bring into operation the 43d of Elizabeth, he might rely upon it that notice would bring down to that House a sufficient number of Peers to discuss that or any other sub ject—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear")—which deserved their attention. But he entreated the Right Rev. Prelate not to set to work to repeal the existing law, by preventing the passing of a Bill which had for its object the amendment of the evils of which he himself com plained. Now, the abuses of the (Al law, which had been referred to, grew out of the operation of the Act of Elizabeth, and so great were the evils, that in many parishes of England they consigned to ruin the land of those parishes by causing a total cessation from cultivation and labour. And everywhere the evils were such as to require attention ; and they did receive the attention of some of the greatest men who ever appeared in England—Mr. Pitt, Mr. Whitbread, and Mr. Sturges Bourne. Each of these endeavoured to introduce and carry through Parliament Bills to amend the 43d of Elizabeth ; but every one of them failed, finding they could not attain their object ; the abuses were so great and so various, varying in almost every parish throughout England, that it was absolutely impossible to remedy there except by the establishment of a central and uniform system of management. That was an epitome of the history of the Poor-law Amend ment Bill; and from that Act, they could not depart without going back to the old system of abuses. With respect to the Act of 1834, he had never himself acted as a poor-law guardian. In consequence of his duties, he could not reside long enough in the country to do so. But he was in the habit of residing for portions of the year in two different parts of the country ; and while there, he often visited the workhouses of those districts, and he must say that it was impossible for any places to be better managed than those workhouses were ; and Ise believed they gave great satisfaction. He spoke of what he knew ; he had frequently stated this in that House in reply to a Noble Earl not now present, who was a strong opponent of the poor-law, and he always should do so whenever he was called on. The Right Rev. Prelate had complained of many things in the existing unions, some of which this very Bill was intended to remedy. Now one of the things of which the Right Rev. Prelate had complained, was the separa tion of man andlwife ; and he said that he had never be fore heard of such a thing. Why did the Right Rev. Prelate never hear of workhouses under the old system of the law of Elizabeth ?—(Hear, hear.) Did the Right Rev. Prelate never heard of hospitals ?—(Hear, hear.) Why the common decencies of life required that where a large nnmber of persons were brought toge ther, the males and females should be separated. It could not be otherwise—the laws of decency required such separation.—(Cheers.) Not only had this always been the case in the hospitals, but it had also been the case in workhouses under the old law of Elizabeth. — (Hear, hear.) Then, with respect to education, it would be much better if the Right Rev. Prelate would suffer the Bill to go into Committee, and propose a clause to ensure that schoolmasters should be properly qualified, instead of declaiming, as he had been doing to-night, about the inferiority of the present schoolmasters.—(Hear.) No ; that was not the object of the Right Rev. Prelate. — (Hear.) The object of the Right Rev. Prelate was not to amend the Bill.—(Cheers.) The object of his motion was not to postpone the Bill to-night, in order to give their Lordships a better opportunity of considering it to morrow or the next day. He did not wish to go into Committee on the Bill at all—he wished to destroy it.— (Hear, hear.) If the Right Rev. Prelate were in earnest, let him state his objections, and propose his amendments in Committee, and see if his Noble Friends would adopt his suggestions or not. On the subject of chaplains he knew that, according to the system of legislation esta blished between the two Houses, no amendment could be proposed on that point, but he might propose amendments on other points if he chose. By doing that, he would be rendering a service to the house and to the country, but to pretend to stop this Bill to-night, in order to defeat another measure which circumstances had rendered absolutely necessary, was unworthy both of the station and the abilities of the Right Rev. Prelate. Ile hoped their Lordships would not attend to the Right Rev. Prelate's suggestions, but would go into Committee, and allow the Bill to proceed as far as it could do to-night, and would then proceed with the other business before the House.—(Hear, hear.) The Marquis of NORMANBY would not detain their Lordships long. He concurred fully in all that had fallen from the Noble Duke ; but as last night he had given his support to the motion of the Right Rev. Prelate, for adjournment, considering that one o'clock was too late an hour to go into Committee on a Bill of such importance, he wished to say a few words. He could not but express his surprise at the course which had been adopted by the Right Rev. Prelate to-night. He had last night proposed a postponement of a few hours only, without stating the course he intended to pursue, and he (the Marquis of Normanby) had certainly never anticipated the adoption of such a course on the part of the Right Rev. Prelate, as proposing the rejection of the Bill, almost every clause of which was a relaxation of the old law, on the harshness of which the Right Rev. Prelate had so long descanted.—(Hear, hear.) There was in fact no connection whatever between the argu ments of the Right Rev. Prelate and the motion with which he had concluded—(Hear, hear)—and he believed that he could assign the real reason why the Right Rev. Prelate moved the postponement last night. The fact was, the Right Rev. Prelate wished for a Mier audience. The Right Rev. Prelate had last night complained of the smallness of the number of Peers who were present, and he (the Marquis of Normanby) had cautioned the Right Rev. Prelate not to be too sanguine as to the re sult. He had told the Right Rev. Prelate that those chairmen of boards of guardians who had been there last night would not be there to night, and the result had shown that he (the Marquis of Normanby) had been the better prophet as to the success of the ex periment. Ho should reserve his defence of the general measure to the time when the Right Rev. Prelate should bring forward that motion, to which the Noble Duke had alluded, for its repeal.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Rev. Prelate, however, had not acted quite fairly—he had quoted a letter written by the Poor-law Commis sioners, in 1839, at which time he held the seals of the Home Department, on the appointment of chaplains; but the Right Rev. Prelate had omitted to state that since the date of that letter there had been a decision of a court of law on the subject. The Right Rev. Prelate had not said one word about the first clause of the Bill, and yet that clause amended the existing law as regarded the bastardy clauses in the very sense in which the Sight Rev. Prelate had urged their Lordships to amend them for the last ten years. Now, if the Right Rev. Prelate had assumed a tone of triumph on the occasion, he might have been excused. No doubt they must own that the bastardy clauses had not answered the objects which the original proposers of the measure had in view, He agreed with his Noble Friend in opinion that, as far as those clauses were concerned, the experiment had not succeeded. The Right Rev. Prelate also objected to the size of the unions. He (the Marquis of Normanby) had always thought the unions too large, but really it ap peared to him as if the Right Rev. Prelate had not read the Bill—(Hear, bear)—for the Bill contained provisions to lessen the size of the unions. —(Hear, hear.) Then, with regard to the schools, the Bill provided for the es tablishment of district schools, which would cure the evil of which the Right Rev. Prelate complained.—(Hear.) The Bill also relaxed the law in relation to the granting of out-door relief, a subject to which the Right Rev. Prelate had also alluded. With regard to the 26th clause, which related to that subject, his Noble Friend (Earl Fortescue) had proposed au amendment in which he could not concur ; widows generally wore their weeds for twelve months only, but he was not aware that their distresses left them at the same time. The Right Rev. Prelate had apologised for his warmth and excitement; now he must say that he had observed no symptoms on the part of the Right Rev. Prelate of anything like warmth or excitement.—(Hear.) The Right Rev. Prelate had spoken as he always spoke—with great ability and great tact, but he had shown no warmth—(llear)—and, in deed, considering the state of the House, it would have been remarkably odd if he bad shown m uch exciteinent There was, however, a great deal in this. The Melt Rev. Prelate had not ' intended that speech al ly s for their Lordships' ears--(Hear, hear)—a dno cis t the Right Rev. Prelate felt that if the speech should have the good fortune to reach t hose for whom it was really intended, a little confession of warmth would e couldno make it ankoet it tell the less effectually.—(Hear, hear.) i think that any person could be considered as labouring under warmth and excitement, who had availed himself, as the Right Rev. Prelate had done, of a quibble.— (Hear, hear.) Th e right Rev. Prelate had said that he union houses r esembled p risons, and had qu o ted a letter of Mr. Tufnell, in which he stated that the exte rior of those houses resembled prisons ; but in the same letter, Mr. Tufnell stated that the ladies who had visited them had found them so comfortable, that they were afraid persons would be desirous of getting admitted to them. Now, seeing that the poor were more concerned in the comfort of the interior, than in the appearance of the exterior of those houses, he thought the Right Rev. Pre late was not justified in the quibbling use which lie had made of Mr. Tufnell's authority.—(Hear.) He himself had recently visited the Bethnal Green work house, and when he compared the condition of the poor in that house with that of the labouring poor in the eastern parts of the metropolis, he could not but be struck with the contrast, and this was more particularly the case as regarded the children.—(Hear, hear.) Having held the office of Secretary for the Home Depart ment for two years, he could bear his testimony to the justice, humanity, and kindness with which the Poor law Commissioners exercised their functions.—(Hear.) Lord WROTTESLEY, as a chairman of a board of guardians, and as one of those who had originally col lected evidence on whcih the new poor-law was founded, could not but protest against the first nine clauses of the it upon poke to uld not stone, t► 3 and the me vvas mares, for fear Lighter.) a three inks he ld ; but th when hat age• nich the not look lan told , on, and o n bust appear - not an you can between If fed with its den). owth Bnd )f lace xpectol• s bitted , e of the ould be ipr. months' im pr" . to that es when tether I ssibl vas; der so des• thsC (lid not I knew for Mr. I.ieve he knew o f hinx age to Id. races At ed as by mtirmed to th e to have ie hors e a two. be COo' ye eta' horse those of cer tain horse is s a tw' r perserh )ne is nt t.et b ' [•ee-Ye2f iry su r n•Av° lll ' and he did 11°' ,n of Tear 0 0 ' h sooP er t mode 1 Zoo' sa tisnO was 61$ y of his May h l5 ,ding, 50 vo yo," j a tor- Foaled i 0 O. fie' D t G U M .; he s *-- ran o! nd .se, 3s vitil a h aSa er. CARRIED AWAY. to iinf ,e t ilea al so , ,o th e 1, t he ocl. and he told me he would take ten guineas, of which I Mr. Baron Panae—l have seen, gentlemen, that you informed Newman. Soon after this John Newman called were of that opinion long ago, and I think you could a P"n me. and told me had received a letter from Mr. come to no other conclusion. Gibson, informing him that his mare Rornaike had nut Mr. Sergeant CISANNELL then said that after the f° a'e' l , and he wished me to t e ll him when the mare was opinion expressed by his Lordship, and what had fallen covered, and I gave him the date, the 4th of May. I saw from the jury, he should not feel himself justified in J.)hn Nee man afterwards, and lie toll me th e ma r e had proceeding any further with the ease ; but he claimed foaled, aril that she had a very good colt foal. In the the privilege of making a few observations in justifica tutuein of 1843 Juhn Newman applied to me for a re- tion of the plaintife He should have made some re ceipt, f, ir his two mares in lta•le. I told hire I had had no marks with reference to the identity of the animal sent no mares of his in 1842, and I should nut give him any to Mr. Gibson's with the mare Romaike, because he must such receipt es lie required. I was at Ascot races, and confess he was not quite so well satisfied with that Mr. Herbert told me it was his horse that had run, and evidence as the jury appeared to be, and if that iden that he had honeht it of Mr. Newman, and I understood tity was not proved, the defendant's case had completely th at he hod given 3001. f or hi m , a nd was to give 5001. failed. Mier the strong opinion expressed by the jury, more if h e won the Derby. After the dispute about the however, he would refrain from making any observations h orse's age, Mr. Herbert told me that lie should send the upon the evidence that had been adduced ; and he horse to iattersall's, and sell it for what it w o uld fetch, would only observe, in justification of the conduct of Mr. and bring an action against Newman for deceiving him Herbert, that there was nothing whatever to show that es to th e age of the horse. he had not fairly and honestly bought the horse, with all C roce-exein:ned—The char"e for the two mares was his engagements, believing him to be a two years old, 74 MY charge was 81. 17s. altogether. I have betted and that there was no imputation whatever upon Mr. 5 001. t o 50/. upon the result of this - action. I made the Herbert's character, and he was sure that he never would bet, fir Mr. Gully in favour of Old England. I believe have been a party to the present proceeding if lie had Phi Enelemi i s his hieee, and, of course, he is interested not believed that those who had given him the infornaa n it . I paid down the money for Mr. Gully, and I have tion upon which he relied were persons of integrity. e "o interest whatever in the bet. I should be a winner The foreman of the jury said they were of opinion that 41 3,•5e1f, if Bl oo d s t one were t o h ave th e stakes. Mr. Herbert might have been deceived. B Y the COURT—Bubastes never covered a mare for Mr. PLATT—We belieVe that to be the ease. It is e,ro o k, very probable that he knew nothing of the fraud alleged John House—l area labourer in the employ of the against the other parties. 41Lst witness,. and recollect a chesnut mare coming to be Mr. Baron PARKE expressed his opinion that the jury c overed by Bubastes in 1841. `he had a foal with her could come to no other conclusion than the one they y had s 11 very good s ort of foal, likely to make a good determined upon. The history of the case ase probably // ° "e• I remember being at Ascot races, and hearing that it was the small miserable colt which died, anl wasa the ) , -ar mer sa " Here's a devil of a job—the Bubastes colt other was put in its place. eome y 'in and beat them all ; but they have The jury returned a verdict for the defendant. Proved him to be a three year old." I said I hoped not, and that Jehn Newman would have the stakes. Upon which Harmer replied, " It is the Beiram colt which "as with her when she went to be covered by Bubastes;" a , a d he added. " th a t it wa s no mo r e Bubastes' colt than i '` Was old Defence's." Defence is a horse that was sta y i ng at Mr. Hicks's. Harmer then said that John Ic ewman owed him for two mares, and that if he did not P a y him he would toss him over the bridge. I after- Ward * saw John Newman and Harmer talking together Ih Ltie place, and a boy was sent to listen to what they that ul but th ey move d awa y t o a n other part of the yard. Cr oss-examined—l are sure Romaike was the mare was sent to Bubastes in 1841. I wished John New- Item might win the race, but it does not matter to me Guo wins. I w as no t aware un til a ft e r th e race that Mr. I IY was at all interested in Old England. Robert Pincher—l am in the service of slr. Hicks. I f,Thaembr Harmer saying to me, " There's a pretty job, Z ti s hastes foal has won the race." I said, "Is it Babas foal ?" He replied, "Itis no more Bubastes' 4,, e01t th an it is old Defence's, and if he don't pay me I ' ll ijin g him over the bridge." ttel,ir• De Witt —I reside at Stockbridge, am an attor 3's clerk, and I was instructed to take the evidence of I.llearner and reduced it to writing. He told me a ree w as present in April, 1841, when Romaike ate - FPed a foal to Beiram. It was a chesnut colt with a t i ree °,n the forehead, and a near white leg behind. Some padd 1 842, he said he saw Romaike in Newman's wh it e elt with Bubastes' foal, and he did not observe any th e : shout him. He also told me that he did say after and ' tL ee at Ascot that Bloodstone was a three-year. old, anything"at he might have said that he should not have said about it if John Newman had paid him his fee. stat r6sa- examined—The witness Harmer made the t nr , ° lnent of his own accord, and I took it down in writ '4' I was introduced to Mr. Gully on last Monday h„„ r • W. W a lk er —l k now M r . Hi c k s , an d ca ll e d a t hi s aa r ", s _e in April 1841, an d s t a y e d th ere a ll th e n i g ht, a nd '"'); the night I was disturbed by a noise, and in con 14ce1111,enee of a communication made to me I called at Mr. le ty ' re n's. at Walton, and there I saw a mare which I sin ce seen a t G u ildf or d, a nd which I knew to be tkotnailre. The mare at that time had just foaled, and sue mother was very savage to it. I am i t h foal was a ehesnut ; and lam pretty sure that h e Oel a white star cn the forehead, and one white heel be4nd- have seen the horse Bloodstone, and, to the a , "r my belief, he is the Beirara colt, but I will not x_ev‘ar p o os 's itively to it. I saw the colt afterwards at Mr. e ma e d r()ss-( 'x amined—l have been in the hop and seed toake;ltimil also a farmer. I was a bankrupt, and also benefit of the Insolvent Act. I was in Worcester ;;;• e ' .. before I took the benefit, and I made an attempt to , o aP o e from the officer who was taking me to gaol. I p 2" Cow to Mr. Hicks shortly before I went to gaol. ei examined—l was unfortunate in a hop speculation gute en . ra „, years ago, and it occasioned mete become bank thiP,'• I have not the slightest interest in the result of cause. titles , N ew ' 'Pa Walker—ln 1841 I lived close to the Messrs. ee , e .utan, at Walton. I recollect the chesnut mare 1841 she to Walton in foal in 1840, and I was informed 1 84 , , ai1e was in foal by Beiram. She foaled in April, t h e ' and I saw the colt when it was a yearling. After take rnare foaled she was very vicious, and would not at to her foal at first. I observed that the foal had b ehi n On his forehead, and that he had one white heel t eir 'u. I have seen Bloodstone, and I believe he is the mar stn colt. He is the same colour and has the same 1 / ..7 8 about him, but I cannot swear he is the same. I e 1, e 1 ,7 the witness Crook. He told me he had been ed 1001 by an agent wrapped up in paper, to tell a t i' l lne stories about cutting the Beiram colt, and he said thaetlnsoh:elnstpukrnted Cross- the offer. . Insolvent have twice taken the benefit of mare was ' reside at Castle Bromwich. A chesnut record the time Avlie • sent to my place • in 1 842, It is my habit to (produced). The n every mare is brought in a book March, 1842. B e e rn fr a ir r e e itnhequestion came on the 31st of received some letters f a Mr. C roo k, who represented t the , eNv mare to be his. s mare was brought, I had (These were the letters represented _ritten by Richard N ewman.) Th e mare was to b e v u ; to Ll_ I.erpool, a h orse t h at was then in my possess i on. 4e_es l (The etters were r ea d. I n one o f t h em t h e mare ._cribed as a half-bred one that had never run.) at-,slatniriatirm continued—When the mare came, she the s r , /I ,fcal, and v er y p oor . Sh e h a d b een d resse d f or It ' and mange b e f ore s h e was b roug ht to my h ouse. ita,s,z.t, ecatehieg diserder. When I saw the mare I was (she was • nearly throrough-bred. Crook repre q himself to be the owner of the mare. The mare sh ; t rd a foal on the 17th April. It was a very small quarte"°4l. aclitk; eolt with upright shoulders, and short in the p erh _ rs, and had not a white hair about him, except, r tni. .. 4 ,1 ) :, a small spot on the forehead. I never saw the in my life, and he never made any inquiries h en, the mare. John Newman came to my place, I f ea p_", after the mare had foaled, and he saw all the ar : i ng mares that we had, and also the horse Liverpool. t a k eti eertain that I showed him this mare. She was Sin ce a r w aY, with her foal, on the Bth August, 1642. tai e k p . '• have been in Guildford, I have seen Roe sen t ' and lam sure she is the same mare which was st ee ;° the trots Mr. Crook. I have also seen Blood ill A ',_and he is certainly not the foal that was dropped s eat 1 842. The circumstance of the mare being and to as a half-bred mare excited my suspicion, satisfies}a wed her to certain gentlemen, and we were all rothat she was thorough bred. bad examined—The mare in question was in a very and diseased state when she was brought to me. have arnined—l am quite certain that the mare I dc)libtso,rit. in this t own i s t h e same mare . I h ave no M. I r. G• Gib so son—l am the son of the last witness, and th e /tarn '' , perfe ct l y we ll t h e mare b e i ng sent to us, in Corre of Crook, on the 31st of March. I made an th e . to n the b oo k k ept for that purpose. and descr ib ed heel, th e as half -b re d. Th e w it ness th en rea d f rom t h e ' With () e remark that the mare foaled a chesnut foal, th at an „ e !nitre T Y wnite, on the 17th of April. I have seen is th e Ltomaike and the horse Bloodstone. Romaike fa tal Mare that was ' at our place, but Bloodstone is cer art, a Y n ilot the colt that she dropped in 1842. I never Ge o r hi ,ng of Crook. t eree *g e am groom to Mr. R. Gibson, and 4 Mber the e h ad e Chesnut mare brought to his place. irat t a, , a foal while she was there. It was a very 'lav e ehesnut, and had no white about it. I 1 , 8422' e 17 1 Bloodstone. H e is not the horse foaled in wh e -tt n otnailte i s th e mare . Sh e h a d th e mange ver y t ' 6 ‘ w ent sh a d , just come, but was getting better when away. c , , ° h l l Fowler—The mare was shown to me by en, ete au , 1,„ at w , and recognised her as a mare that had arwick races for the Guy stakes, and I knew -11 ‘ N. e Rotriaike, and to be a thorough bred mare. I s a w 4 same mare several times at Mr. Gibson's, and I t i t l l4 ( i t) () lt., she dropped there. It was a chesnut colt, i na.r na think it had any white about it. I have seen kt i le ho in and am sure she is the same. ti,,,e_li.loodstone is not the colt that was dropped l3h ,F . e In question, April 1842. s ' s l "s in L. Evans—l saw a chesnut mare at Mr. - "tete, - '"e sprinr , of 1841, and I have no doubt that dme re a 4 r rt Saw the same mare at Mr. Gibson's. The 1 . 4 eer y e now in Guildf o rd. e I ° a a 'e ll —l rode Bl o odstone at Ascot. Before the ti t . a ,rter w „, vr Nerean, and he told me to ride him r e p ave 11 - ,‘ a mile, and then pull him up, for he would n ' t n win on any account. I old this before the ? I ' e titti, _Captain Roue and Colonel W t yndham's training I e , i nd Consulted I had ti `` lan h ) I did win. —(Renewed laughter.) e diffic g • th e 11 ty to win. I won in a canter. A. 4 Y -7tat ned—l believe the horse fell lame on trier there Wh e h I was riding him a gallop at the time. 4 t i, h eerissima ran with me, but I don't know Wi t , I Le e s` herself. DM,--)e„bid she gallop with you the day before? b efore l'l ' 47 "r beaMr ? w it bid she beat you in your gallop the day r, PLe , ris 11 °, 88 —Yes, by sufferance.—(Laughter.) dam Were many persons present when she , v itn w ,ess—Not many. s r nes s ____ ye,. Just, I suppose, to take the news home ? ord strol•re--(Lau,gliter.) h i n 3 , and : :: ° :•"ke—l was one of the stewards of Ascot e veterinar yea plant when Bloodstone beat Old Eng n two yea m r Plamt was made that Bloodstone was more tl°tns old, and the stewards sent for Mr. Field, i;,xatnined the ainee'dsurgeon, from London, and another gen . Parry, from Reading. When Mr. Field I Ni _three years n c;rse, he immediately pronounced him to Pa rry gav °ld, and gave a certificate to that effect. bee ir. i j o " h n Pieelad— similar certificate. ston e practice lam veterinary surgeon, and have years. I examined Blood to le at a . , eut. tw enty.He was e was a three year-old horse. I have therelbstlloofththat fact. I have seen the horse since, and The • I ng to alter my opinion. m r. s in e r_Y here intimated that they were quite satisfied. ptrAg.re,ant,,,CHANNELL intimated his desire to reply. knuth e have plenty more evidence. I , l l eiik ewi e s r , v _eterinary surgeon was then examined, and 43 the pressed a Positive opinion that Bl oo d s t one Th e ; '• Year-old horse fie Jury , • usete g for sae defend la ant. they were p er f ec tl y agree d upon LLOYD'S SHIPPING. NOTICE TO MARINERS. SAFETY BEACON ON THE GOODWIN SANDS " Admiralty, August 6, 1844. " Sir,—l am commanded, by my Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, to transmit to you herewith, for the information of the Committee for managing the affairs of Lloyd's, a copy of a letter from the clerk in charge of her Majesty's naval yard at Deal, reporting that a schooner, in crossinr , the Goodwin sands, had run against and carried away the safety beacon erected there some years since, by Captain Bullock. " i am, Sir, your most obedient servant, "SIDNEY HERBERT. " W. Dobson, Esq., Secretary, Lloyd's." (con%) " Deal Yard, August 5, 1844. "Sir,—l have the honour to acquaint you, for the in formation of the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, that a schooner, in crossing the Goodwin sands early this morning ran against and carried away the safety beacon erected there some years since by Captain Bullock. " From suhseequent inspection it appears that the vessel struck the top of the beacon on the western side, and carried it away ; that the mast is gone just above the surface of the sand ; and that the whole is a perfect wreck, held by the rigging and chain plates. " I have cleared and brought on shore to-day as much as the state of the tide would allow of, and I shall avail myself of the first opportunity to secure the rest. " I have the honour to be, &c., (Signed) "CHARLES WOOTTON, " Clerk in Charge. " The Hon. S. Herbert, M.P., &c. &c., Admiralty." present Bill, which were calculated to revive all the evils of the old law, as regarded bastardy, and would give a premium to perjury and incontinence, and place the guilty in a better position than the honest and indus trious. He admitted, however, that the Government were placed in a difficult situation, and he thanked the Pres:dent of the Council for the speech with which last night he had introduced the measure. Their Lordships divided, when there appeared— For going into Committee—Contents Non Contents _ _ Majority against the Bishop of Exeter's amendment-16 The House then went into Committee on the Bill. On clause 1 being proposed, Lord WHARNCLIFFE contended that the present law was a great improvement on the old system. Under that system the poor suffered under great grievances, and it was to remove those grievances that the now poor-law had been introduced. Could the Right Rev. Prelate for one moment entertain the idea of re-establish ing the Act 43d of Elizabeth ? The Right Rev. Prelate knew that it was impossible to do so. 'The present law he contended, was far more humane than the original law, and the poor were better off under it. The law of Elizabeth was passed for different times to these in which he now lived, and it was idle to suppose that such a system could be applied now. The Bishop of EXETER took that opportunity of re plying to the arguments which had been used against his amendment. He said that he had brought that amendment forward solely on his own responsibility, and without reference to any party out of doors. It was true, the law of Elizabeth was passed for other times, and so was Magna Charts; but we still held Magna Charta to be a good foundation for legislation, and ho contended that the law of Elizabeth was a good founda tion for legislation on the subject of the maintenance,of the poor. He concluded by giving notice that, early in the next session, he should move for a Committee to in quire into the means of spiritual instruction afforded in union workhouses.—The clause was then agreed to. Clause 2 was proposed. Lord WHARNCLIFFE explained its operation. The Bishop of EXETER objected to that part of the clause which provided that, in affiliating a child, there should be some corroborative evidence added to that of the mother. He thought that, the more modest the woman, the less chance was there of corroborative evi dence. He thought it was right to give the magistrate a discretion, but that was an additional reason why cor roborative evidence should not be demanded. The Right Rev. Prelate concluded by moving the amendment. Lord WHARNCLIFFE must oppose the amendment. The Right Rev. Prelate alluded to cases of seduction by the men, but the fact was, the greater number of bas tards were not the fruit of seduction at all. In most cases the woman seduced the man. The Right Rev. Prelate talked of the indecency of an expose in a court of justice, but he did not apprehend that any such would be the case. There would be no indecency whatever in the corroborative evidence. The Marquis of BUTE differed entirely from the Right Rev. Prelate, and would oppose the amendment. He thought the clause went too far. The amendment was negatived without a division. The Bishop of EXETER thought some other mode of receiving the money should be devised than that of the woman's receiving the money from the putative father. which was exposing him to further sin or to further bru tality. The Earl of WHARNCLIFFE agreed with the view taken by the Right Rev. Prelate, and would devise a remedy. The Bishop of EXETER said in case of appeal by the woman's father from the decision of the two justices, the woman in most cases would not be able to sustain the ex pense of the appeal at the quarter sessions. The Earl of WHARNCLIFFE said, there undoubt edly might be cases where the woman might not be able to sustain the expense of an appeal ; but it should be re collected that the man was bound in security not only to pay the allowance to the woman, but to pay the costs likewise if the appellant were un successful ; besides, many attorneys would be glad to take up her case for the purpose of pocketing the costs, and gaining a certain degree of notoriety for himself. The clause was then ordered to stand part of the Bill. The fifth clause was likewise agreed to, as were the sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, and eleventh, which are the bastardy clauses. Clauses up to 40 inclusive were agreed to. On clause 41 being proposed, The Bishop of EXETER suggested that the chaplain should be appointed by the Commissioners instead of the guardians. Lord WHARNCLIFFE said that the subject had been fully discussed in the House of Commons. He could not accede to the suggestion made by the Right Rev. Prelate.—The clause was agreed to. The remaining clauses of the Bill were then agreed to, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time to morrow. The Merchant Seamen's Bill went through Committee, and was ordered to be reported to-morrow. The Irish Arms Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. _ _ The House adjourned at a Quarter before Twelve till to-morrow at a Quarter to Four o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, August 6. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'clock. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a Retition, signed by 1,640 persons, from Merthyr Tydvil, praying for the release of Frost, Williams, and Jones ; also a petition from the debtors confined in Whitecross-street Prison, praying that insolvent debtors may be placed on the same footing as bankrupts. On the motion of Sir G. CLERK, a return was ordered of the actual amount of income and expenditure of the United Kingdom for the current year. On the motion of Mr. BROTHERTON, a return was ordered of all sums of money paid into the Manchester Court of Requests by debtors, all sums received by cre ditors, and the sums remaining unclaimed on the 31st day of December in each year from 1808 to 1844 ; also, the number of causes tried, the number of executions issued against the goods, and the number against the person of the debtor ; and of the number of persons im prisoned in each year during the same period. ROMAN CATHOLIC PENAL ACTS REPEAL BILL. The CIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the order of the day for the House going into Committee on this Bill, and in doing so, gave notice that next ses sion the Government would introduce a Bill to include all Irish Roman Catholic Penal Acts in the present measure. The Bill then passed through Committee. Report to be received to-morrow. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' BILL. On the report upon this Bill being brought up, The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, he understood that it was the intention of his Hon. Friend the Member For Birmingham to raise the question of the propriety of abolishing imprisonment for debt in cases of debts under 201. As his Right Hon. Friend the Secretary for the Home Department was absent—unavoidably so—he thought it would be better for his Hon. Friend to post pone the discussion till the third reading. Mr. SPOONER said he did not intend to oppose the clause in Coto, but he thought it ought not to come into operation until the 25th March next, together with the 54th and 55th clauses. If his Hon. Friend the Solicitor- General wished the discussion postponed, of course he would do so. The report was then agreed to, and the Bill was or dered to he read a third time to-morrow. The House then adjourned till a Qearter before Four. At a Quarter before Four o'clock the SPEAKER re sumed the Chair, when Mr. MACKINNON gave notice that, early in the en suing session, he would move for leave to bring in a Bill for the prevention of the smoke nuisance. He begged also to give notice that he would take an early oppor tunity, ii the next session, of movitig for leave to bring in a Bill to prevent interments in churches, or chapels, or grounds in large towns. Sir Augustus Clifford, the Usher of the Black Rod, then summoned the House to hear the Royal assent given to various Bills (for which see Lords' report). RAILWAY BILL—LORDS' AMENDMENTS. The SPEAKER having returned, and resumed the Chair, the House went into Committee on the Lords' amend ments to the Railways Bill. Mr. GLADSTONE said he had before stated to the House the view which the Select Committee on Railways had entertained on this subject. The amendment of the Honourable Member for Wolver hampton went to impose on the Government the duty of superintending and managing third-class trains; and he had stated that in his opinion that was a duty which it was impossible for the Government satisfac torily to discharge. The effect of the Lords' amend ments was to restrict the compulsory obligation to sun particular trains, subject to the control of the Board of Trade, to every week-day in Scotland, and in England to every week day except Christmas-day and flood Friday. So far, therefore, the Board of Trade had nothing to do with any Sunday train. But a clause had been intro duced into the Bill in the House of Lords, which laid down the principle, that if railway companies ' should run any trains at all on Suadays for passengers, they should run at least one train for the ind-clas p p w t r a l o r s : ioodsbeej forcot e f l d i n c i h o t o i n t w:e y ‘ t . g , r t a l r i t e a h t o i rf third-class4s g P s a l asts passenger, ueruege passengers. did ) I o t t he Sundays ; and if any limitation should be proposed con sistent with the general principle of the Bill, he should not oppose it. Another which he wished to mention with regard to the amendments was, that the effect of the Bill as it stood would be that, if the company ran third-class carriages, they need only stop at the stations for the other trains. A proposition had been made that the third-class carriages should be covered and provided with seats. He hoped the House would not insist on the insertion of any provision of that kind_ He must confess that he did not think they could adopt. such a proposition with justice to the railway companies; and lie was convinced, that if such a stringent enactment were carried some arrangement would be adopted by the railway companies which would be most inconve nient to those whom it was intended to benefit- He, therefore, proposed that the House should accede to the amendments introduced into the Bill by the Lords. If any amendment with respect to the rate of fare or any other matter were adopted, it would necessarily delay the period of the Bill receiving the Royal assent ; and under those circumstances, he trusted the House would be sa tisfied with the arrangement which he proposed. Mr. TIIORNELY said lie was very glad that the principle upon which his amendment was founded, that if trains were run at all on Sunday, there should be trains for third-class passengers, had received the sanction of' both Houses of Parliament. He felt it his duty now to propose that the charge for the conveyance of passengers by the Sanday trains should not exceed the price charged for conveyance by the week trains, viz., Id. per mile. Mr. ENTWISLE said the reason why he had op posed the Hon. Member's amendment on a former occasion was, that while conferring a boon on the work- II