The Sun. — London, England, 1839-08-07 00:00:00

kVENIN G EDITION. .1 fluent events have been insisted on as consequences resulting from their publication. Now, be it rembered, Gentlemen, that the most flagrant breach ef the peace was made previous to their publication by the unconstitutional act of the authorities themselves, and the notorious fact has beenerecorded throughout the length and breadth of the land. And here, let me urge you, to make a clear distinc tinction between the excitement in the town of Birmingham previ ous to, and subsequent to, the attack. Previous to the attack, there was a very great politieal excitement amcng the working *mem in favour of the political measures that they, in common trith millions of their countrymen, are Intent on obtaining, and such excitement, an excitement so extens sive and so influential as to effect a political change, is, I contend, sanctioned by the constitutional usages of England. And in this opinion I am again borne out by the testimony of the Secretary ef State, for in a speech he delivered in October last he expressed himself to this effect. Speaking of the meetings of the Chartists he said—" Thew were some, perhaps, who would put down such meetings. But such was not his opinion, nor that of the Government with which he acted. He thought the people had a right to free discussion—it was free discussion which elicited truth. They had a right to meet—if they had grievances they had a right to declare them, that they might be known and redressed. If they had no grievances, common sense would speedily come to the rescue, and put an end to these meetings. It was not from free discussion, it was not from the unchecked declamation of public opinion, that the Government had any thing to fear. There was fear when men were driven by fear to form secret combinations-- there was the fear, there was the danger, and not in free discussion." In another speech he said—" It is the nature of the people to push obedience almost to a fault. Nothing can be more false than the opinion of these who maintain that agitators can easily and without cause excite the people to tumultuous and seditious practices. So far from this being the case, the disposition of every people is hostile to agitators ; indeed it is so strongly in favour of Government, that the general mass of the country can never be induced to see abuse Until it becomes intolerable : nay, more, they will frequently even submit to the greatest evils of misgovernment before they venture to utter one word in their behalf. It its my per. suasion (said he) that the liberties of Englishmen being founded upon the general consent of all must remain upon that basis, or must altogether cease to have any existence. We cannot confine liberty in this country to one class of men ; we cannot erect here a Senate of Venice by which a small part of the community is ena. bled to lerd it over the majority; we cannot at this time and in this land make liberty the inheritance of a caste." The riotous excitement that subsequently existed, and which has led to such disastrous consequences, was occasioned by the conduct of the po lice force from London, and ample testimony of the Mayor can be afforded to show that there was no rioting, no destruction of pro perty, till nearly a fortnight after their attack upon the people in the Bullring, and also to show that the manner in which that force conducted themselves—their wanton daily attacks upon women and children, rich and poor, while they were peaceably proceeding through the streets and to their daily avocations—led to the riotous disposition, and there is no doubt led to the unfortunate conse quence that followed. But, gentlemen, is it right that these results should be fastened upon us, Mr. Collins and myself, when we were bodied up in prison, and could neither directly or indirectly have aught to do with them ? For you must be aware that we were in cenfinement when the rioting took place ; and when released, on eur way home, hearing of what had transpired, so anxious were we to gulled against adding to the excitement, that we took a circuit ous route of several miles in order to get into Birmingham by the opposite end of the town, and thus peaceably get to our homes, lest, being recognized, any evil consequences might follow, But let me direct your attention to the third point I have referred to, as it is of paramount importance—that is, that the resolutions referred to are false, malicious, scandalous, and seditious ; and re member, Gentlemen, you have sworn to give your verdict according to the evidence before you. Now you have evidence before you, so far as my admission to prove that these resolutions were written by me—l have admitted it myself ; but what evidence have you to prove that they are false and malicious ? Is it false that an unjust outrage was made upon the people of Birmingham by the police 1 from London ? Is it false that the outrage was made under the authority of men who, when out of office, took part in similar meet. ings of the people ? Is it false that the people of Birmingham were better judges of their right to meet in the Buil-ring than we stran. gers were?? Is it false that Dr. Taylor was arrested ? I believe it is doubtful whether I shall be permitted to bring evidence to prove the truth of this ; then how can you conscientiously give your ver dict (especiall after its common notoriety), that it is false ? These resolutions are also stated in the indictment to be malicious. But what proofs have you before you, Gentlemen, of my malice in the drawing up of these resolutions ? None I Then, I presume, you will not agree that I was actuated by malice, and give your verdict lto that effect, without any proofs of that malice before you in evi dence. But his Lordship mayprobably tell you , that by some legal fic tion, the fact of the libel having been written presumes that the writer was actuated by these malicious and scandalous motives. But, gentle. men, I feel persuaded that you will never permit it to be recorded in history—that a British Jury of the 19th century, on taking three resolutions in their hands, and having no other evidence before them than the fact of their having been written by a certain per son, did presume and give their verdict as a fact, that the writer was actuated by false, malicious, and scandalous motives, and that without evidence-of his motives being given in proof. Now the the next point for your consideration is this—Do you believe that I published these resolutions with criminal motives and criminal intentions ? because such are necessary to constitute them libelous. Gentlemen, it is not in the province of man to read the motives of another's mind; we can only judge from acts and the uniform tenor of his conduct. And I can appeal with confidence to all who know me, and also to Mr. Salt's evidence, as well as to my speeches and writings, to testify that while I have laboured (as I conceive it my duty to do) politically and socially to improve the condition of my suffering countrymen, I have uniformly condemned violent and criminal modes of redress. My advice to them, and my senti. , merits have been of the following character, which I have extracted from addresses, I have given within the last few months. The first is from an address which was adopted by most of the associations in the kingdom, and sent to the Irish people, wishing them to unite with us for the obtaining of the People's Charter :—" We are influenced by no other feelings than a desire to see our institutions peaceably and orderly based upon prin. cipies of justice. We believe that a Parliament composed of the wise and the good of all classes, would devise means of improving the condition of the millions, without injury to the just interests of the few. We feel that unjust interests have been fostered under an unjust system, that it would be equally unjust to remove, without; fftie precaution; and, when due, individual in demnifieation. We are as desirous, as scrupulous Conservatives, of protecting all that is good, wise, and just in our institutions, and to hold as sacred and secure the domain of the rich and the cottage of the poor. But we repeat, that we seek to effect our object in peace, with no other force than argument or persuasion ; and we call upon you, as we do upon the wise and the good of every class, to unite with us iwthis most holy compact, the ultimate object of whieh is the freedom and happiness of Britain, and, through her example, that of the world." The next is from an Address to the Polish People, in reply to one which was sent to the Working :liens' _Asso ciation :—" And though the perversion Of truth and justice has called forth the exclusive feelings of the few, to conspire and rebel against the happiness of the many, yet when knowledge shall have depended the intellect of mankind, they will assuredly perceive that all the nations of the earth have in reality but one brotherly inte rest. Possessing this conviction, we feel persuaded that every effort that can be made towards eradicating those national prejudices and bigotted feelings, which the selfish and despotic rulers of man. kind have implanted and perpetuated for their advantage, will tend towards that great consummation of national and universal happi s nese, when equality of political rights shall be established, and when ' men shall love one another.' And we know no better means of effecting this righteous object, than by availing ourselves of those great rights and privileges of humanity, our countrymen have achieved through persecution and death, and which your op pressors have unjustly deprived you of, or prevented you from ob taining —we mean the right of investigating and inquiring througit the means of public meetings, open discussions, and the press (stamped and trammelled as it is) which is the most desirable form of Government—the best mode of instructing the people—the most economical mode of producing wealth, and the best means of its just distribution—and of causing all the corruptions and anomalies lof the Church, State, and individuals, to pass in review before the great tribunal of public opinion, from which all power should ema- 1 nate, and to which alone it should be responsible." The other ex tract is from the rules of the Working Men's Association, which have been adopted by most of the Associations in the kingdom, and by which you may judge of the general tenor of Chartism. Let not, however, the men of wealth imagine that we have ulterior designs inimical to their rights, or views opposed to the peace and harmony of society. On the contrary, we seek to render property more se cure, life more sacred, and to preserve inviolate every institution that can be made to contribute to the happiness of man. We only seek that share in the institutions and government of our country which our industry and usefulness so justly merit." Such is the lan guage of rational Chartism, and such, with a few violent exceptions, are their only objects. Gentlemen ofthe Jury, in corroboration of the view I have taken on four material points in this indictment, I beg:to quote from Deacon's Digest of the Criminal Laws, thefollowing obser vations :—" It is undoubtedly the right of every subject in this land of freedom, to enter into a fair and reasonable discussion'of public affairs, nay, further, he has a right, it is concei ved, to ex hibit the folly or imbecility of the members of the Government, fif he honestly believes those measures to be unconstitutional, or fraught with mischief to the interests of the nation." Nay, a still higher authority. Mr. now Sir John Campbell, her Majesty's Attorney-General, in his defence of Mr. Samuel Cook, in 1827, expressed himself as follows :—" Gentlemen, Englishmen have a right to entertain and express their strong and decisive opinions with respect to all public officers. That is a right which we have inherited from our ancestors, bought among other things at the price of their blood, and I hope we shall preserve that right pure; and I hope we shall transmit it to posterity un broken.'' And Lord Tenterden also, in his charge to the Jury in the trial of Rex v. Marsden, said, " The: roost humble individual has a right to discuss political subjects, freely and fairly, The facts also which are commented on, ought to to be true, for if his facts are false that will be pregnant evidence of malice. The question in such a case does not seem to be entirely as it has sometimes been put, namely, whether the publi. catin has a tendency to create a general dissatisfaction towards Government--for if Ministers are incompetent, and their measures prejudicial to the country, it would then surely be justifiable both to avow and inculcate such dissatisfaction ; but the grand points for consideration are the truth of the facts and the object of the author. For though truth does not justify a libel on private charac ter, it seems reasonable that it should be admitted as a full justifica tion for any strictures on the public conduct of public men." So says that great law authority of the Court of King's Bench, Lord Chief Justice Tenterden. Gentlemen, I need not again repeat that the facts contained in these resolutions are notoriously true, and that the object In writing them was not from any malicious feeling, nor to injure individuals, but to express an opinion of what I conceived to be an act of injustice, with a view to reform or pre vent such egressions in future. It may be that I have expressed myself strongly on the subject of these resolutions, and more so in m ßot y_.examination subsequently on the right of resistance to injustice. ttemen, I might quote a high authority in justification of such langu age, an auth • ority whose legal knowledge and public spirit I presume • now Baron Gurney, will be d u ly appreciated by you—l mean M r., " that the first l v sh ica o, on the trial of D an i e l I saac C a t on , s t a t e d is, that all l truth that is en graven on t h e sou l o f man power poli tows fr and when th a t trust is abused people, and is a trust f or th e i r bene fit,used resistance is n o t on l y a r i g ht , b u t a duty." Gentlemen, 1 hav e now, i n th e best manner my abilities you will permit, placed before eny views on this question. I have endeavoured briefly to detail t heci rcumstances which led to the writing and publishing the all egedl i bel, and motives which actuated me at the time. I have also laboeto show you that according , to admitted legal authorities theseretirliebseolutions ought not to come within the meaning of the law of and how cautious gentle origin of that law and how indefinite it • l. I have shown you the know w u t lit h ht to be in adding to men in your exalted station, as Jurors,lso. urged i e Practice of the pro_ its power against public liberty. I k MY defence, which secutor is to reply to what I have is, and seems however to have no foundation in jestiche. legal he doubtlessly will oppose to my humble state's:en " sci m i e t c h addition talent and ability. But I trust, gentlemen, th in a ts t i i n n of Yroafrour, to what I conceive to be the great points namely, the truth of the resolutions and the absence my motives, that you will take into account, that this be i ng in a public censure of apublic act, your decision will be —lu g either from a love of liberty or of the unjust exercise of power. You have all, in your capacity of citizens, rights to protect and grievances to complain or ; you may be opposed to me in any political feelings and , ouinions, but apart frcorn these you have, or may have , griev a nces to be redressed. You will most probably avail yourselves of the " " •• • right of public meetings and public discussion, as a means to obtain that redress, and the same power that to-day sends an armed torte to disperse " the Chartists" may send it to disperse you on the morrow. You would doubtlessly feel indignant at the outrage, and might publicly answer the act, a State prosecution at once assails you as libellers,and you who today, in your honourable situation of y judges, may a t no distant day be defending, as I am, ode -'. 1° ...4 A 4 Wright to protest against public outrage and public • u, Gentle men, f or your atten ti on , and I shall now r ‘alllsitiatti - ve that, so far from wishing to create riot, we • , ietertair'ir by circuitous rou t es o f seve n miles, and I will.-suit '. t _ ?ohm, ,n - d tivti. y drew o prove the unjustifiable attack of the all ion UP a requisition for the purpose of effecting _ between the parties. He would call— r, %..'N'i r er, Pb, Lichfield street, Birmingham, was '... ,A.. - ,;?•],:--41 •rr.yik;.._,4, PE N 3.,' present at the meeting in the Bull-ring on the 4th of July. The custom of assembling to hear newspapers read he believed origi nated with the leading members of the Political Union, and the people since thought they had a right to follow the example of those in power. Did not remember any meeting then in the Bull-ring that obstructed business. Heard the Mayor say on the 4th of July " Men do your duty." He said something else, but what it was he did not know. Mr. Lovett—Did not you understand from these words that it was an order for the police to knock about the people ? Mr. Ilitc objected to the question. Mr. Lovett—lt was, I would submit, the impression on his mind. Mr. flacoxrr objeeted to the question, although he was sorry to interrupt Mr. Lovett in his examination. . Mr. Justice LITTLEDALE—You may ask to whom they were ad dressed. Witness—l understood them to be addressed to the police in the rear. They instantly began to maltreat the people in this form (raising his hand). There had been no breach of the peace what ever before that attack upon the people. I saw several persons injured. Did the police perform their duty in a " very humane" manner ? —They knocked the people about indiscriminately, in a very brutal manner. I saw no sabres with them, and did not hear the Riot Act read, nor any caution or warning to the people to disperse, I then went to the shop where I had left my wife, lower down in the Bull-ring. I saw from the shop the principal space where the meeting was held had been closed. I saw many persons wounded. Cross-examined by Mr. BALIUT.—The meetings during the Re. form Sill were at Newhill-hill, clear of the town. I have been to America and returned last September twelve months. I did not take my wife with me. I was away upwards of live years. I never travelled as a hawker. I have been in this Court before. In this part and in the dock, charged with forging a hawker's license. I don't know what the Jury thought, but I laboured under a convic tion, and was a prisoner eighteen months. I then went to Ame rica, and left my wife and children to take care of themselves. I was not at the meeting in the Bullring on the 3d, but I have attended them at odd times. I was only a few minutes there on the 4th. I did not hear the man who was reading address the people. I don't know who he was. _ . John Wallace Wilson—l was in the Bull-ring on the evening of the 4th July. I heard no warning given to the people. I heard one of them turn round and say to the police; " There they are," and lost the remainder of the sentence. The police commenced immediately to beat the people. I saw not one stone thrown pre viously to the commencement of the.attack. I heard no groaning. The police beat and knocked the people down at almost every blow. I saw a few women standing about. I saw a policeman strike one woman and knock her down. There was no resistance to the police at first. I have resided in Birmingham nearly three years. Cross-examined by Mr. WIDDINGTON—I came from Galloway, in Scotland. lam a carpenter and joiner. I don't call myself a Chartist, but a Radical.—(A laugh.) I have spoken at one meet ing in the Bull-ring in the month of May. It was not a speech, it was only reading a paragraph from a paper. I never did so since the proclamation by the Magistrates. I swear there was no hissing or groaning when the Mayor and Dr. Booth made their appearanee. There was no hissing or groaning till the police came up. I saw no stones thrown at the police. I saw them afterwards thrown down at Digbeth, where I assisted in saving two policemen's lives. Tho:nas Farringdon described the attack made on the people by the police in nearly the same terms as the last witness. James Rough stated that, on the evening of the 4th o! July the people were met for the purpose of reading the newspaper. I saw no riot or disorder. I heard no warning given to the people to disperse, but the police commenced beating the people with their staves. I saw no stones thrown, nor any groaning before the attack. There were women and children in the crowd, and the police made an indiscriminate attack upon them. I saw a great many blows given. Cross-examined by Mr. WADDINGTON—After the attack was made, some people did return the blows. We were driven from the spot in all directions at first, and then some returned and at tacked the police. Ido not know what they had in their hands, if they had any thing. I saw stones flying about, but I don't know who were throwing them, whether the police or the people. The police and the people were mixed indiscriminately. I saw nobody using a stick I saw one policeman knocked down, but I don't know what he was knocked down with. William Gardner thought a flagrant and unjust outrage had been committed on the people assembled at a public meeting. The people had been in the habit of meeting there whenever there was any po litical excitement. Cross-examined by Mr. Barony—i saw Mr, Lovett that day at the Golden Lion. I had sought an interview previously with the Mayor, in company with two others. I had confidence in Mr. Lo vett's judgment, and wished to consult him. Mr. Lovett wished to ask the witness what was his construction of the meaning of the second resolution ? Was it that he thought it meant—(lnterrupted by Mr. Balguy). Witness—lt had a tendency to induce the people to collect funds for the purpose of obtaining legal advice as to what had taken place on the night of the 4th. Joseph Corbett—l remember being at Mr. Watson's, Summer. row, on the 10th May. Defendant was present. A conversation took place as to the best mode of uniting the conflicting parties in Birmingham. Mr. Justice LITTLEnaLE—What is the object of this conver. sation ? Mr. Lovett—l wish to show that I was not one of those who would recommend violence of any kind. Witness—There was a good deal of unpleasantness at that time, as to theintroduction of physical force for the purpose of obtaining our rights. I was also anxious to see Mr. Lovett, believing bim to be an ornament to my order—the working classes. He denounced all violence whatever, and the document he drew up has received 7,000 signatures. Cross.examine,l by Mr. BALour—Pray what do you mean by Mr. Lovett being an ornament to your order? What order?—The working classes. I suspcet you are mistaken. Mr. Lovett is not a working man ? always understood him to be so. Mr. BALGUY—He is not, I understand. Mr. Lovett—l am, I have served two apprenticeships. Mr. BALGUr—I really beg your pardon. I meant to compliment you upon the skill and talent you have displayed in conducting your defence to-day, and had no idea you were one of the indus- :rious classes. This closed the case for the defendant. Mr. B.LGUY, in absenca of the Attorney-General, said it de. volved on him to reply. [ We regret want of space prevents us from giving his speech.] Mr. Justice LITTLEDALE having read the indictment, and the evidence on both sides, observed that the question for the Jury to decide was, whether in their opinion the placard, for the publication of which the defendant stood indicted, was published by him ; and secondly, whether it was of a libellous and seditious character ? They were the sole judges of the intent, and they would have to say whether its tendency was to excite discontent and public tumults, and whether such was the defendant's intention, and if so they would find the defendant guilty. The Jury, after conferring for tt;o or three minutes together, re. :urned a verdict of Guilty. The prisoner was then removed to the interior of the prison WONDERFUL PIG.—A little gruntEr was ushered into the world last week, in the yard of the Ele phant and Castle Inn, in Hunslet-lane, Leeds, kept by Mr. Priest, formerly of the George Inn, Wakefield. It was considerably larger than any other of the litter, of which there were altogether eight in number, had seven legs, and only one large eye about the united size of four, placed in the centre of the forehead. Immediately an terior to the hind legs, was an apology for the hind quarter and legs of another pig reversed, and behind the fore legs, which were well formed, was the resemblance of another fore leg. The nose and snout had the appearance of an elephant's trunk, being a long elastic cartilage, and the mouth was scarcely perceptible. It is well worthy the attention of the curious in those matters.—Leeds In telligencer. PERSONAL PUNISHMENT.—Monday at Marl borougb-street Touissaint Laye and John Dement, the former Lord Cadogan's steward, were brought before Mr. Chambers, charged with having jointly committed a violent assault upon a person named Marshall, living at No. 1, Vine -street, Piccadilly. It appeared that Marshall, who was unable to attend, owing to the wounds which had been inflicted upon him, was walking in Vine -street, towards his lodgings, about ten o'clock on Sunday evening, when the prisoner Laye came up to him and struck him, without previous warning, with a cane loaded with lead. The assaulted party was prostrated by the blow, and such was the force with which it was given, that a portion of his ear was severed front his head. The blow was repeated, and the injured man caught hold of the stick and held it, upon which the other prisoner attacked him with his fists. Both prisoners were laid hold of by the police and conveyed to the adjacent station house. In defence, the prisoner Laye attempted to enter into a statement relative to the alleged seduction of his wife by the injured man ; but Mr. Chambers said he had nothing to do with private matters of that sort, and held a violent assault had been sworn to, and whatever the prisoner's provocation, he must be taught that the un-Eng lish proceeding of knocking a man down in the public streets with a loaded bludgeon was an offence which the law treated with just severity. Mr. Chambers said he should hold both parties to bail to appear next Thursday. Lord Cadogan bailed the prisoners, and they were in consequence released from custody. PARTRIDGES.--The breeding season bids fair for an abundance o f p ar t r id ges , b ut a C orrespon d ent i n t h e ln the Sh er iff' s C our t, yest e rday, an action North informs us that i n consequence o f t h e l ong - cont i nue d T o A LEXANDER ROBERT JOHNSTON, Esq. was brought by a p erson named. Hatton against Mr. Wil rains which have prevailed during the last and preceding H. M. Second Superintendent of British Trade, &c., &c. son, a gentleman of fortune re:tiding in Devonshire-street, weeks, a great number of y oung ones h ave f a ll en a sacr ifi ce Si r, —A gross and shocking outrage against the foreign MarYlebone ' to recover 41. 3s. 4d. for a month' s wages . to the floods in low ground s , no t b e i ng sufficiently strong community ha v i ng b een perpetrate d b y t h e C h i nese autho- It appeared that the plaintiff had enter e d th e serv i ce to effect their escape. r i t i es i n caus i ng a man to be strangled this afternoon in of the defendant as butler, on an agre emen t, as h e alleged, FIRES IN THE METROPOLIS.—D u rin g S a - front o f th e f ore i gn f actor i es, we, the undersigned that a month's n o ti ce should b e g i ven b e f ore turday night and Sunday m orn i ng l ast no f ewer t h an ten British subjects, mos t earnest l y request that the British . , leaving. The defendant discharged the plaintiff w ith out fires occurred within th e p rec i ncts o f t h e metropol i s, seve- flag may not agai n b e h o i ste d unt il reference has been made giving the stipulated notice, and the action was accord ral of which were of a mos t d estruct i ve c h aracter. O ne to her M a j es ty' s Chi e f S uper i ntendent. ingly brought to obtain a mowth's wages, at the rat e of happened in Hoxt on N ew T own , an d was nearly attended (Signed, Wilkins on D ent , Ch ar l es S . Compton, and a 50/. per annum. The serva.nts. of the defendant were ' with loss o f lif e . I t or i g i nate d on the premises of Mr. great many others.) i called by the plaintiff s Counssel, and stated in the course Taper, cheesemenger. The loss is said to be above 1,000/. Canton, Feb. 26, 183 g. M no r : THE WARWICKSHIRE MAGISTRATES. of their examination that their agre t e w m en en ty t_o fo n u e r n h te o r u i r n a g , Wilson's service was to give only lice previous to leaving • but as the defendant called no The unconstitutional and tyrannical treatment of untried On Wednesday night the wife of M r . Sewell w it nesses to sh ow th a t h e ' bad not made the usual monthly prisoners i n Warwick Jail h av i ng b een b ran d e d b y un i vers sil versm ith, Bradf or d, dreamed that the Chartists were agreement with the plaintiff, th e jury returned a verdict for sal reprobation, the framers of the abominable regulations knocking at her door. In her terror sh e rose f rom the b e d t h e plaintiff for the full amount claimed. A technical objec the cellar, where a premature ac- ion made by the defendant's will probably be compelled by public opinion to adopt a and secreted herself in re system more in consonance with the boasted freedom of couchement from terror came on, and she died before the erved for the opinion C ourt above. of the The Cork Southern R at:orney was, however, British institutions. The Warwick Advertiser, a paper morning. —Halifax Express. that last week conveyed a gentle reproof to us for intima- The King of Sweden has sent Count Brake as ~ ling our dissatisfaction with the jail regulations now tacitly Ambassador !porter of Saturday says, Special to St. Petersburg, to congratulate by the late heavy rains—some setting it down as very con admits that we were right, and that those 'regulations wrong. "We are satisfied (says our the Imperial family on the marriage of the Duke of Leuch- We have various accounts o (the extent of damage done that e t siderable, others admitting ti tat though injury has been if the Magistrates of Warwickshire can makecontemporary) such new t a r_ tenberg and the Grand Duchess Maria, done, it is not so great as ma y be imagined, and that fine rangernents SNOW STORM IN JULY.—Durin g in the pris on di sc i p li ne as to meet the desire g a thunder- weather from henceforth woi ild insure a fair, though of storm on Monday, July 29, Skiddaw was completely course deferred harvest. Th is weather, we are glad to of those whose sympathy has been excited in favour of un covered, even to its very base, with snow, which remaiocd say, we have experienced si nee yesterday morning—as tried prisoners, they will most readily do so, and rejoice in the exercise of their power to lighten the grievances of old part of the Bridge for some hours after war d s , f orm i ng a strange object at this' favourable as could be desire. 3, and we hope still to the the depressed and the afflictions of the unfortunate. Hu- particular se ason of t h e y ear , amidst the richly verdant realised the best expectations of the farmer. .Among h rnanity and justice will have equal consideration." scenery of the neighbourhood.— IVhitehaven Herald. ce -sualties produced by the dos .ds are the carrying away of Court, near Doneraile, DUBLIN, AUGUST 2.—The accounts from the Dr. Chowne mentions, in the current number of the . southern parts of Ireland are very alarming as to the injury the Lancet, the very singular case of a Swiss, who had and nearly half of the crops and the country have sustained from the unex. undergone the process of hanging thirteen times, and yet Youghal.. ampled heavy rains in the early part of the week. The survived it all. When death at last bad seized his prey, SUPPRES'SION OF FAIRE OP FAIR.—A strong north has escaped from the visitation. Wheat advanced his body was examined to ascertain the cause of this strange : effort is now making b the- Mal l istrates, the Clergy, and O B ld ridge, n the road to in our market to-day from one to two shillings per barrel. tenacity of life, and it was found that the windpipe was Killeig at h the principal inhabitent y s of e l le P arisbes in the neighbour. Oats suffered no alteration. White Wheat 425. to 475., turned to bone, a zufficient cause certainly for his not being hood, to obtain the sio a of Fairlop Fair, and a suppres suffocated. 1, as Secretary of State for oats 19s. 6d. to 20s. per barrel. The weather to-day memorial to Lord J. Russ& here has completely taken up, and every appearance of THE CARDIGANSHIRE BOROUGHS.—We can the Home Department ',is i to r in course of signature settled weather. assure our readers, upon very good authority, that Mr. throughout the district. EssHerald. ox We regret to hear that IVIr. Denison, the Mem- Lloyd Williams will not come forward to disturb the peace ROYAL MINT.—On M 'ay a youth named onu of these boroughs, ber for West Surrey, is at present suffering severely from oughs. Weneree, while attending on , one of the coining presses, one of the violent attacks of the gout to which he is sub- An auctioneer in a county town, while enrra 1 incautiously b gec got too close to 11-, whene r a part of the ma ject. The in his avocation lead, and fractured it in a , symptoms we r e y es t er d a y suc h as t o g i ve r i se n a few days since, thus exalted the merits cbinery struck him to seine on the 1 of a carpet which he was desirous of ll• ‘, Gentlemen ' sufferer was removed ' apprehensio n for he 1-1 G ntleman's safety, e on. e ea mg : shocking manner. The unfortunate but we learn, on • ' and ladies, so hospital in the Mile-end me eo le are ' inquiry at his residence in Pall-mall, to- Brussels , , p p in the habit of selling carpets for without delay to the London day, that he is which are not Brussels, s e ee;.„, eaceived was found no longer in any danger. but I can most positively road, when, on examinatio n,t ' re , --The Archbisho of Dublin has assure you that this elegant article was made b .Ar be of y tr. to a nature th IN but lan. • just passed through Brussels P Brussels himself." to Fn , gland. Being Sol' on his return from Germany - tertained of his recovery. FAST DAY. —La Friday I named English Church residin solicited by the members of the Last , was observed here STABBING.— On Saturday e veiling a la, g at Brussels to confirm the (Paisley) as one of the sacramental fasts. The day Coker, fifteen IT years of age, residing s a Harefield, nesse ,Is younger members of their c o t r e regation, that ceremony being a persons closely confined throu g h_ bridge, having had some altercat ion with an itinerant took place on Saturday, inof Musee. The Rev. E. Jenkins an c d hap e l i n the Rue d o out t h e most the year, availed themselves of the op. d ea ler in fish, named Gates, ti e latter struck him a attended the Archbishop. On S the R ev . W. Drucy por t un ity of making excursions by coaches, canal boat s , bl o w, whereupon Coker pulled oil' his knife and stabbed Sunday morning his Grace and steamers. The shops were all preached in St. George's Church, Rue de le shut, and the streets Gates in the stomach. Gates lingered until eleven and in the afternoon in the chapel inthe day were generally kept Orang eu i r , during the in a state of becom - ' o'clock on Sunday night, whenexpired Coker has Rue du Musee.— ing order and quietness. The Brussels Papers, July 30. Churches, we understand, been taken into custody to abide the result of the Coro had a fair attendance.—Paisley Advertiser. ner's inquest. THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 7, 1839. CHINA. As every thing connected with our intercourse with China must be interesting at the present moment, we copy from the Singapore Free Press Extra of 15th March, the following account of proceedings at Canton previ ously to the stoppage of the trade. It will be seen that the officers of the Chinese government are adopting the most vigorous measures in suppression of the opium traffic, and that the Commissioners from Pekin had demanded a meet ing with the Governor and Senate of Macao, probably with the view of resuming that settlement, and ex pelling the whole of the foreigners from China. (From the Singapore Free Press Extra, March 15.) Yesterday's shipping report announced the arrival of the Mary Ann from China the Ist inst., and in the absence of any files of our own by that vessel we are in debted to Capt. Jones for the loan of a Canton Press of the 23rd ult., and an Extra of the 27th, the latter giving an account of the execution of another Chinese for deal ing in opium, in front of the foreign factories, and of the circumstances attended thereon, which, in the present state of the trade to China, we think of sufficient interest to republish in an Extra of our own for the information of our readers. The arrival of the Commissioner from Pekin was looked forward to with some degree of anxiety, mingled we should judge, with some degree of apprehension, in case the report that eight Chinese on board of a Government cruizer had been killed in attack. ing one of our opium vessels on the Coast should prove true—one certain, but not perhaps the only result of which will be the entire stoppage of the whole foreign trade. We hare also seen private letters from Macao of date Ist instant, which state that the only reply made by the Chinese officers to the remonstrance against executing the unfortunate culprit in front of the factories was, "It is the express order of the Emperor," —so that the intention would seem to be to exhibit the same frightful spectacle to foreigners whenever a case of detection in the vicinity of Canton occurs. These letters also state that, in addition to the combustibles which had been sent down from Canton in the Government gun-boats, the Chinese had purchased at Macao 4 forty-four pound cannon, for each of which 1.000 Sp. drs. was given, and it is said the Commissioner had demanded a meeting with the governor and Senate at Macao. Under these circumstances, as might be expected, the opium trade was at a complete stand—but a few chests have been disposed of at Macao for consumption there at 335 Sp. drs. for Patna, and 280 Sp. drs. for Malwa, under a duty of 15 Sp. drs. per chest. EXECUTION OF A CHINESE IN FRONT OF THE FACTO RIES AT CANTON.—The Govornor of Canton has effected the threat made to the Chamber of Commerce two months since, that criminals guilty of trading in opium were in future to be executed in front of the foreign factories. Last evening, at about half past five o'clock, some soldiers were seen making their appearance, armed with halberds, lances, and match-locks, without however exciting much attention, it being thought that some minor punishment migh perhaps be inflicted, such as flogging, which is not an uncommon occurrence on that spot. But a mob being soon collected, it was found on inquiry that a man, guilty of dealing in opium, was to be strangled, and long beforr this was generally known among the foreign community, or indeed could be prevented by an act of the foreigners,the deed had been committed, and this fresh insult been offered to foreigners residing in Canton. The authorities had taken their measures with such secrecy, and carried them into effect witb such precipitation, that five minutes had not elapsed between the arrival of the soldiers and the death of the man. How qua and the two other Senior Hong merchants received sudden orders immediately to proceed to the front of the Factories, and at the moment of the former's arrival the unhappy culprit was strangled, before even the Kwang heep had arrived. A numerous guard of soldiers, headed by officers on horses and mules had in the mean while formed a circle round the gallows to keep off the mob ; many foreigners had by this time collected round the spot, and some, who were able to speak Chinese re monstrated with Howqua and the Kwang_heep concerning this insult offered them, but, the act having already been committed, of course, without thereby mending affairs. The authorities and soldiers, after having staid altogether not more than perhaps twenty minutes, withdrew carrying away the corpse. The hurried manner in which the whole affair was conducted sheaved but two clearly the ap prehensions of the authorities of another attempt at preventing the execution, as happened on the 12th of De comber, and it is very likely that had it beer, known in time, such attempt would have been made, though we be lieve with little chance of ultimate success on the part of foreigners, for not only did the Chinese police soldiers muster strong, but there can be little doubt that others were in reserve to overpower all resistance. Moreover, the time chosen was the dinner-hour of the Chinese, and that likewise when many of the foreign residents take ex ercise on the water, and therefore when the autlioritieE. were most likely to succeed without hindrance in their scheme. Considering all matters dispassi ona t e l y, we come to the conclusion that it is rather a matter of conura:u lation than otherwise that the foreign residents Cad or time given them to oppose the execution, for it is but too likely that wounds would have been given and re ceived, and actual acts of violence on the part of a few foreigners against the Chinese authorities, cannot possible end to the advantage of the former, the more so as we know from sad experience that we have the sympathies of the people by no means with us, as was shown on th, 12th of December 12st, and that we must not be blinded to the fact that the safety of our persons and property can only be secured by the protection offered to both b) the Chinese Government. After the execution had taken place, many of the British residents deliberated upon the best means of dernenstrating to the Chinese how deeply they felt and resented the insult offered to the community, and it was at one time in tended to have cut down the British flag-staff; but this being over-ruled, the address to the second Superinten dent, of which we give a copy below, was resolved on, and received the signature of most of the British here, many signatures in our copy being still wanting as the paper had nut finished its circulation. Mr. Johnston has acceded to the request that the British flag may not again be hoisted, until reference can be made to ber Majesty' Chief Superintendent ; and the American, Dutch, and French Consuls have also, on applioation, agreed not to hoist their respective flags this morning ; and a meeting of Americans now in Canton was convened by their Consul this morning, of which we shall give particulars below. For the present the not hoisting of the flags is the only manner foreigners have to show the Chinese that they resent the insult offered them, and it remains for Captain Elliot to determine whether his flag is to continue to fly in a public place of execution. The Chinese, we under stand, wish to make it appear that the affair was not meant as an insult to foreigners, as, though the execution took place in front of the factories, yet the spot chosen was exactly opposite to Old China-street : this latter is not a fact, but is merely a quibble, and will be regarded worth less as such by foreigners, the Chinese also concluded that the insult was lessened by the body not being left at th: , place of execution, but exposed afterwards in some other place. This unfortunate man was a native of Whampoa, and, when in September last, the Mandarines attempted to search the houses there, is said to have been very active in his opposition to the officer, and to have caused the death of some. He afterwards made his escape, but the Go vernment having retained his father, mother, and brother as hostages and moreover offered a reward of Sp. Dis. 1,000 for his apprehension, he to liberate his relatives, gave himself up, receiving at the same time the offered reward in money. He was conveyed to the place of exe cution in a bamboo basket, and was heard whilst being carried through the streets, to exclaim that be was innc cent. His name is Fengangin, aged 34 years. It is also said that the Mandarin at Casa Branca in Macao has re ceived uccounts of an engagement having tak en pl ace on the East coast b e t ween aforeign vessel and a war junk in which it is said eight Chinese have been killed. Under existing circumstances, the confirmation of this news is expected with considerable anxiety. MEETING OF AMERICAN MERCHANTS. —A meeting of American merchants alluded to above, and which, we be believe, was not to be considered as a public meeting, it was expressed to be the general sense of those present that the American Consul, Mr. Snow, be requested not to hoist the flag until directions be received from his govern ment, or until circumstances should render it expedient to hoist it again. THE MARKETS-(YESTERDAY.) (From the London New Price Current of August 6.) SUGAR.--Since this day week a good demand has pre vailed for British Plantation Sugar at an advance of full 6d per cwt. Berbice ordinary dark brown quality has been sold at 625, Trinidad and Berbice low grey at 63s 6d, Nevis mid 645, Antigua and Jamaica mid to good mid yellow 65s 6d to 675, and fine Antigua at 68s to 69s ; at auction 122 casks Barbadoes sold briskly at former rates, fine at 68s 6d, good 67s to 67s Gd, mid to good mid 65s to 66s 6d. This afternoon 100 hhds Barbadoes Sugar sold steadily at the rates previously established, fine went 68s 6d to 695, good 67s to 68s, low mid and mid 65s 6d to 66s per cwt. REFINED.—The low and mid qualities, and those equal to the standard, have been taken freely by the grocers, the latter kind realizing 83s, and both sorts are rather scarce : the finer qualities are rather more plentiful. Crushed has brought 355, 101 b Hambro' Loaves 40s to 41s, and 141 b loaves 38s. Of Bastards the grocers have been free buyers, paying rather higher prices. MAURITIUS.—This afternoon 1,655 bags at auction found ready buyers at full prices —bright fogey mid and good brown went at 61s to 62s 6d, mid yellow 63s to 63s 6d, good mid 64s to 64s 9d, good 65s to 65s 6d per cwt. EAST INDlA.—Bengal good mid white at 66s a 66s 6d, good 675, soft yellow 62s 6d to 645, good strong bright yellow, resembling West India, 65s to 65s 6d, damp white 65s to 675, and washed 63s 6d to 65s 6d. Manilla at 21s to 245, for good brown and fine strong yellow ; low to good brown went at 19s 6d to 20s, damps 19s, and washed 18s 6d to ]9s. In Java prices have undergone no further change. Cochin China at 24s 6d to 25s for low mid grey ish white, 22s 6d to 23s 6d for yellow, 18s 6d to 23s 6d for damps, and 183 6d to 23s for washed. FORElGN.—Havannah at 39s for good mid, 40s is still re fused for good strong sorts; Brazil at 19s 6d to 22s for low to fine. This afternoon there were offered at public sale 1,000 hhds Foreign Muscovado sugar, and 492 chests 34 barrels, &c., Bahia ; the former were taken in above their value, very fine yellow at 265, and good brown at 25s 6d; there were buyers at 25s per cwt ; the latter were taken in Is 6d to 2s above their value, viz., low to fine brown at 20s to 245, mid to good mid white 27s to 31s. MOLASSES.—For West India a good demand has pre vailed. Good and fine Antigua has fetched 25s 6d to 36s 6d, good mid St Vincents 34s 6d, good and fine Demerara 34s to 35s 6d, and Barbadoes 35s 6d per cwt. This after noon good St Vincents were sold at 35s per cwt. COFFEE.—This afternoon Foreign was in increased demand, and by private contract 2,000 bags Brazil were sold at 44s 6d to 45s for low good ord ; some small parcels of St. Domingo, were disposed of within the range of the quotations ; the principal holder is not inclined to sell at pre sent rates. There was no public sale of East or West India. Brazil by private contract (imported from the Cape) was in brisk demand by the home trade, and nearly 4,000 bags were sold at about 54s 6d for good ord but unclean. Java was sought after, and 84s paid for small parcels of fine ord. Cocoa.—The Grocers have been free buyers of 'West India, and 445 bags and barrels Trinidad at auction sold briskly, establishing an advance on former rates of 2s per cwt, fine red brought 56s to 57s 6d, middling to good 51s to 545, and good middling to good g rey 505 6d to 53 s 6d. Guayaquil have been sold at 36 s 6d for fair quality. TALLOW.—The trade have been free buyers of P Y Candle to supply their immediate wants, and the arrivals being still small, prices have again advanced, and first quality has fetched 53s per cwt. At auction 400 casks Odessa sold at 523 to 53s 3d. For delivery in the last three months prices have advanced to 49 6d to 50s Town Tallow : prices have improved. Oles.—Fish Oils at former rates. Southern 231 103 to 251 for mid dark to fine pale quality, which is 10s. higher; Sperm at 951 to 961 for fine quality. Linseed Oil at 26s 3d to 26s 6d; on the spot at 263. Palm went at 39s 3d to 393 6d per cwt. Cocoa Nut Oil fetched 433 3d to 43s 6d per cwt. Tai.—Much excitement was produced in the Tea market last week by the accounts received from Canton, stating the stoppage of trade; there was a brisk demand for nearly every description of home use, several purchases were also made on speculation, and prices improved 2d to 3J per lb; the operations, however, were more particularly in common Congous at is 4id a is 5d ; low Twankay at Is 71-d a is 8d; and in the lower descriptions of Young Hyson at 2s per lb. In Company's Congou largo pur chases were also made at is 7d. There was a good attendance of the trade at the auc tions which commenced yesterday. The quantity brought forward amounted to 59 892 packages, or 4,217,623 lbs : the trade did not buy so freely as the previous state of the market led persons to suppose, and there was not much spirit in the biddings. Of 10,500 packages passed auction, only 3,600 were actually sold ; the advanced prices paid last week were mostly maintained, which is l to 22 over the rates of July sales, in some cases, however, they arc barely so good. Hyson but middling neher coarse and strong was sold at 2s to 2s 4g, better 33 3d, Young Hyson but middling rather coarse and large leaf 2s lid to 2s 3d, middling 2s 7d to 23 Bd, Twankay but middling rather coarse is 7d to Is 8. 1 2 -cl, pale leaf, is Souchong but middling large leaf is 94cl to is 104 d, Congou preferable to but middling rather strong blackish leaf 2s Old, strong blackish leaf 2s 2 4 1 d to 2s 2A-d, but middling mixed with Pekoe is 71 to Is Bid, Caper Souchong but middling rather burnt is 7d, Fukien Bailee at is 6d duty, Is 9d to Is 9d per lb; no common Congous have yet passed the sale. To-day the trade purchased more freely at the sales, and a pretty good demand was experienced, 6,000 out of 14,000 pkgs finding buyors, and the rates previously established were supported ; the principal part of the Tea bought in yesterday has been sold at prices on a par with those of last week. Congou, but mid dingy leaf fist Is 3-ed to is 3id, but mid rather old is qd to is sd, but mid blackish leaf rather burnt Is qd, but mid little old Is 6d to Is 6d, but mid blackish leaf Is 9id to is Rid, but mild strong old Souchong kind Is 91d to is 10d, but mid little coarse burnt is Mid to Is lid, Souchong, good ord rather coarse is 24d to Is 21d, but mid is 3,:id to is 4ed, but mid and mid rather burnt Is 5d to is 51d, but mid blackish leaf rather coarse Is 6ed to Is 71d; Hyson, but mid rather brightish leaf 2s 6d to 2s 61d. IRISH MARKETS. DUBLIN MARKET NOTE for the WEEK ending AUGUT 2. ___ To v..ra 1,646 Wheat, p e r barrel 20 stone 36 0 From 4W A 0 ZIP ee. 3 0 Bere l6 stone 0 0 0 0 Barley 1,280 Oats l4 5t0ne......' !6 0 20 0 18 11 0 Flour, per cwt 8 staue .. 0 0 0 0 Oatmeal....--- 8 5t0ne...... • $ 0 Sold to Bakers only. 6,281 Cwt. Flour 22 0 25 6 24 4 Average price of Wheat and Flour 65.. 4d. per sack. Sales Re c i o p f t sof Flour, D o. ,s l ; e i nc r Fir5t5..........., • d : ; : ................... from fromf r r o o m m o 2 109: .: 0 dod od ... t t t 000 ,_i225:. 225. (M. 00(1.0:11.. ?RICE OF 111. EA D. -- - Quartern Loaf 104. I Half Quartern ad. CORK M ARKETS.—August 3 Wheat (per .r`Ott.)2Es Od. to 375. 0 I .loats (per 14 s t.) ...11 8 . 64. to 16 , 3. Od Barley (per I(ist.)ls (1 22 6 I elour (per cwt )...16 0 24 0 Oatmeal (per cwt.) 12s. Od. to 6(1. Beef, 4d. to 7d.—Mutton,'Sd. to 6d.—Veal, 4d. to 6d. Pork, 41d. to sd.—Fresh Butter, 10d. to Ild. per lb. PRICE OF BUTTER. To the Merchants. To the Countr7 86g. 775. 84 .. 5 82 73 75 66 First Quality Second Third Fourth Fifth Sixth CLONMELL M. d. s. d. s. New Butter ...... oto 90 0 Oatmeal 12 0 12 3 Rendered Lard 0 52 0 Per 11 a u r , Second 0 44 6 —Household...— 0 42 0 Per ',6 AltKETS.—Ausut 3, r Cwt. Rapeseed 20 0 0 Bere 8 4 10 0 Per: Wheat. 1 8 110 oats 0 8 0 9 s. d. s. d. Hides (raw) 0 to 24 0 Bacon Pigs 3, 0 40 0 Heads 28 0 0 Bag. Flour, Thirds 0 32 0 Feurths 22 0 -- • lane]. I --- Batley 13 0 14 0 Coals 0 0 ;tone. Tallow (rough) 4 0 4 R Potatoes 0 3 ( 4 MARKETS. KILKENNY Whcat s per barrel)3os. Od.to 375. Od. Barley 2O 0 22 0 Oats 12 6 14 6 Flour (per bag) 30 0 40 0 Butter (per cwt.) 90 0 98 0 Bacon Pigs 3.5 0 36 0 Coals 1 0 1 2 Beef (per 1b... ; Os. Od. to Os. Gd. Mutton 0 5 0 6 Pork 0 4 0 0 Veal 0 0 0 7 Fresh Butter 0 0 1 0 Salt Ditto Potatoes (per et.) 0 4 0 3 ' Mr. HAWES rose to move for a " Copy of the Tariff agreed upon by the Commissioners appointed under Article 7 of the Convention of Commerce and Navigation between Turkey and England." He said the treaties lately entered into by this country with Turkey and Austria did great credit to the Government, but though they went much further than anything formerly done, still he thought they were defective. The Turkish one because it did not include the Principalities —if that were so it would open a vast extent of coast to British commerce, and the treaty with Austria was defective because it did not include the port of Trieste. He must complain also of the slovenly manner in which business was done in this country. Long after these treaties had been laid on the table of the House mer chants began to act upon them, but they suffered much loss because they had not been communicated to the Customs. The trade had increased 24 per cent. and the capital 75 per cent., and this increase had been all frightened away by the restrictive policy adopted with regard to Foreign countries, and he hoped this House would give some ex pression to its opinion as to the necessity of exhibiting a more determined and vigorous demonstration on the part of this country in that quarter of the globe. A great im provement had taken place in the quarantine laws owing to the exertions of Mr. M‘Gregor, but a vast deal yet re mained to be done, and unless the Government were in clined to draw closer the bonds of commercial intercourse with Austria, whose interests were identical with our own, it was impossible that this could be done. He had felt it his duty to call the attention of the House to these treaties, and he hoped that all those who felt interested in this subject would support him. He believed that a deficient revenue for the next few years would be a blessing to the country, as it would impress upon the people and that House the necessity of exertion in improving our commercial relations, and in lightening the burden of tax ation by the practice of economy. Mr. HUME seconded the motion. Lord PAL ME R STON felt that the House would feel obliged to his Honourable Friend for having drawn the attention of the House to the subject before the close of the Session.—( Hear, hear.) Much had been done, but much yet remained to accomplish. He could assure the House that this was a point that occupied the incessant attention of every member of the Government, and that no opportunity was lost of extending the sphere of the foreign commerce of the country. With regard to the extension of the Turkish treaty, it would have been anusual and by no means expedient to make a treaty with a Sovereign, and to exclude a portion of the dominions of that Sovereign from the treaty. A doubt might arise whether it was desirable that England should claim the application of the treaty to Moldavia and Wallachia because it was doubtful if the same abuses existed in those principalities as in the rest of the Turkish dominions, and that question had not yet been determined on. As to the right of England to do so, there could be no doubt. It was wrong to suppose that any new stipula tions were necessary to secure the free navigation of the Danube, as that river was clearly included in the provisions of the Treaty of Vienna. Therefore, any new stipulations would weaken instead of strengthen those rights. He was not aware that the commerce of England stood in need of any protection in the Black Sea which it did not enjoy at present. A great and increasing trade with Persia, until the occurrence of the late differences bad been carried on in the Black Sea, under the protection of the British flag. An attempt had been made to hold a conference of European Nations on the subject of quarantine. Many persons were of opinion that quarantine was useless, and if these opinions were correct, this was an additional reason why the European nations should re-consider the subject. It was the duty of the Government to open new channels for the commerce of the country ; with this view a person had been sent to the Commercial League now sitting at Ber lin, with a view to enter into some negotiation with them, and he could assure the House that the great object of the Government in every quarter of the world was to extend the commerce of the country. This was not to be done by the commercial treaties alone—the maintenance of peace was also necessary, not only of this country with others, but among all the nations of the world ; and he was happy to say that the efforts of this country in this respect had been hitherto successful. He could have no objection to the motion of his Hon. Friend, but in justice to Austria he must state that, independent of the papers called for, there was published last year in Aus tria a new tariff lowering duties and removing prohibitions, admitting certain goods on a fair rate of duty; among these articles were brass ware, cotton manufactures, earthenware, glass, leather, oil, tin, and pewter, and woollen manufactures of all kinds. Thus while this tariff did high honour to Austria, it exhibited a desire on the part of the Austrian Government to extend the relations between the two countries.—( Cheers.) Mr. HUME felt that the Noble Lord was entitled to the thanks of the House and the country for the pains he had taken in extending the commercial relations of the country. He hoped the time was coming when the restric tions on the importation of corn, timber, and other matters into this country would be removed.—( Hear, hear. ) Mr. VIL LIERS thought the Noble Lord was entitled to the gratitude of the country for his attention to the corn mercial interests of the country, which was the more extra ordinary when the anti.commercial spirit of the House was consi'lerd. He trusted he h a d di rec t e d the person sent to B en ; . n distinctly to answer what commercial advantages they would give us in the event of our opening our pods to their produce. This was important, order to enable the country t o ascertain distinctly the loss suffered by our adherence to the restrictive system. Lord BROUGHAM said:—lf, in rising to address your Lordships, I felt only anxiety on account of the un paralleled importance of this case, as regarded the policy, the welfare, and the Constitution of this country, I should feel much less anxiety than perhaps I now feel in address ing your Lordships at this moment ; but when I feel also aware of the infinite importance of this case, and of the exceeding interest which it has excited—not merely that legitimate interest to which it is fairly entitled, and would be expected to excite in the minds of the people of that country which it more nearly concerns—not to that interest which any question connected with the purity of the admi nistration of justice must excite in the minds of your Lord• ships—constituting, as you do, the highest tribunal for tire administration of justice in the country ; but I allude to ano ther interest, which I would willingly wish, if possible to pluck out from the question. I allude to the personal interest which must be felt in this question by those who believe that I stand here as the accuser of an individual or of the Government ; and to that interest which must be felt by those who perchance believe that the motion is intended to place them on their personal defence ; and to that party interest which the question is calculated to raise, and which I would I could say that any efforts of mine are likely to lull. My Lords, I may therefore under these circumstances be supposed to lend myself to personal views, or party views, and not merely to stand here in the discharge of an im perative public duty. But of the experience which your Lordships have had of me, while practising before you as a Minister of Justice at your bar, or as presiding, so far as any Peer can preside, over your judicial proceedings as a Court of Justice—of the whole tenor of my not short public life of more than 30 years and upwards, in which I have constantly,—it is perhaps rather the result of good fortune than merit of my own—by accident, I will only say—without deviation or change, or shadow of a turning —proceeded in the same course, and been guided by the same principles : if this give your Lordships no pledge that I am here only to discharge a public and indispen sible duty, then what pledge can I give—what more can I say ? Only this ; see how I perform the duty which I have undertaken, and then whosoever of the accusers may be disappointed, or whosoever of those who are on their defence may be disappointed—whatsoever party feelings may be excited, or party objects frustrated, by my discharge of that duty—at least, I shall be able to appeal to your Lordships for my acquittal from the charge of having made myself on this occasion what I never did before, the engine of party feeling, or the instrument of party attack. My Lords, I will detain you with no further preface ; I have only so long detained you, because I deemed it ne cessary. I will at once proceed into the heart of this great subject, and I will call upon you to examine the pro positions which I have partly laid before you, and to which I am now about to claim your agreement. My Lords, the first of these propositions relates to a subject second in importance, in my opinion, to none of the others. If any thing be essential to the administration of justice in any country it is, surely, that evidence, when it is known to exist, for the conviction of an offender about to be put upon his trial, shall be surely forthcoming when the day of trial arrives. In Eng land—in Ireland how is this great end of justice effected? In England, as in Ireland, those who are known to have the power of bringing evidence are by the committing Magistrates, or subsequently, bound over to prosecute—that is, in common parlance—but it is the Crown that prosecutes, and they are bound only as wit nesses to give evidence. In England, in ordinary cases there is no difficulty in obtaining men not to forfeit their recognisances to come forward and give evidence. When they do forfeit their recognizances, their recognizances are estreated, and the penalties in which they have hound themselves, are exacted, and if they cannot pay the penalty they are committed to prison —not formally —not nominally—but there they lie till they give evidence, or till they have been punished sufficiently by way of example to deter others from the like offence.—( Hear, hear, hear.) This is the corner stone of the administration of criminal justice in England, and if that stone is loosened the fabric falls. How is it in Ireland ? I may now a d vert to the promise. I mean to keep as nearly as possibl e to t h e letter, that though I may have occasi on to trespass at some length on you Lordship's tim e , I intend to trouble you with reading from the evidence as little as I possibly can. I shall have to read a page or two; I know every portion of the evidence that refers to this question, and I can refer to every page if it is necessary for me to cite it, but I shall trouble )ou with as few as possible of those pages. But we have again and again throughout the whole of this mass of evidence the most undeniable proof that in Ireland it is not as in England. There in deed when a man refuses to come forward and give his evidence in a criminal prosecution, the recogni :once is estreated and the form of inflicting the penalty is gone through, but in 99 cases out of 100, bid you attend as a member ? " I am not aware whether I did or not. " Was there any payments on entering the Association " I am certain there was. " Did you make any payment ? " I have no recollection.—( A laugh.) l am not au x ,, ous to deny that I was a member, if I was. I s hall happy to state, if I recollect. I think I became a memb er. " What were the objects of the association ? of " The object, as I understand, was the sustainmen t the Reform party in Parliament. I cannot tell more. " Were you ever member of any other Association' " Oh, yes, the Catholic Association." . r o And, my Lords, he recollects what happened 12 yea? t i e 7'' most accurately—he recollects the very street in which Catholic Association met, in Capel-street, and he 'rec° e , lects the n um b er o f persons , s i x or seven, who wr,re i P r ets sent at a meeting twelve y ears ago. He recoil bat every thing that was said by every body a tors he cannot remember what w as d one two le ago, about the time when h e wki appointe d e. the office under Government —that is P Eased from his :se T o —on the contrary, we conside ra t aty aided it. He t collection altogether. But his mere ory was not her.l o mistaken if he supposed we wo'dld be satisfi e d with tu e d vague generalities, and this defective reco ll ect i o n. Ind e when we saw his memory so serviceable on other subjectsb we were tempted to make it more available.—( A laug d i, We asked him—" D o you recollect any one obis° t tinctly at any meetin g ? " He answered—" There i s - in myrecollection any part i cular object; " and he t h o u!; ht he got over us—( A laugh) —but we proceeded to refry s" his recollection, and we inquired—" Was tpere anYi / J in g said about tith es ?" << Oh, yes—l a m cer t a in therj ryas' now you suggest it to me."—( Laug,hter.) 55 (Y t rished the m an must have been to find persons who nev e r had been th ere once suggesting a thing C oat came 5 o IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, AUGUST 6. The SPEAKER resumed the chair at Five o'Clock. Mr. DUNBAR presented three petitions from places in Ireland, praying that soldiers belonging to the Presby terian Church might have the liberty of attending their own Church in the same manner as those belonging to the Catholic Church. Colonel PERCE VAL presented a petition against the Government scheme of national education. Captain PE CHEL L presented a petition from the Guardians of the East Preston Union in Sussex, complaining that endeavours had been made to create a prejudice against such incorporations—the petitioners sta ted they were beneficial, and prayed they might not be done away with. Sir S. LUS HINGTON brought up the Report of the Committee appointed to search the Lords' Journal respect ing the Slave ,Treaties' Bill. The Learned Doctor also presented a petition against the Collection of Rates Bill. Mr. HARVEY then rose to make the motion of which he had given notice. " That the following Resolution, passed on the 23d day of April, 1839, be made a Standing Order:—" Resolved —That, in all Bills for inclosing commons or waste lands, provision be made for leaving an open space in the most appropriate situation, sufficient for purposes of exercise and recreation of the neighbouring population; and that the Committee on the Bill have before them the number of acres proposed to be inclosed, as also of the population in the parishes or places in which the land to be inclosed is situate ; and also to see that provision is made for the efficient fencing of the allotment, for the investment of the same in the churchwardens and overseers of the parish in which such open space is reserved, and for the efficient making and permanent maintenance of the fences by such parish • and that in any case where the infor ma ti on h ere by required is not given and the required provisions are not made in the Bill, the Committee on the same be directed specially to report to the House the reasons for not complying with such Standing Order." It was only at the present late hour that this concession had been made, and, narrow and contracted as it was, it was the only practical recognition in the present Session of anything that could be called a solicitude for the public interests. But it was net enough to say that if this principle had been observed in past years, and extended over 4,000 Inclosure Bills, the labouring classes would have enjoyed the advantages following the possession of a large Geld of property. But let them contemplate how many cottages had been swept away by these mercenary Acts, and levelled, without any regard to the rights of pro perty, either to accumulate the inordinate possessions of the rich, and to minister to that pride which could not bear to see within sight of the castle or park-wall any tene ment occupied by the lowly cultivator of the soil. He felt a melancholy satisfaction in moving the house to give permanence to this resolution, and trusted that it would only be the precursor of many attempts to ameliorate the condition of the neglected classes of the country. Mr. HUM E seconded the motion, which was agreed to. DIVINITY COLLEGE, DUBLIN. Mr. SHA W wished to ask the Noble Lord whether it was the intention of the Government to grant a charter for the new Divinity College in the City of Dublin. Lord MO RPE TH said that a proposal had been sub. mitted to the Government, and the subject was under de liberation, but he could not give a more peecise answer to the question. Sir E. CODRINGTON gave notice that he should, next Session, if the Admiralty or the Board of Trade did not take the matter up, submit a motion to the House, relative to a petition which he had presented in regard to the management of the funds in the hands of the Mer chants' Seamen's Corporation. Although he had had a notice on the books relating to this subject for some time he had not as yet had an opportunity of bringing the subject forward. HAND-I:00M WEAVERS. Mr. HUME wished to know when the Report of the Commissioners relative to the hand-loom weavers would be laid before the House. Lord JOHN RUSSELL replied, it would be laid before the House as soon as it was ready. IRISH CORPORATION AND CANADA BILLS. Lord JOHN RUSSELL then gave notice that he should to-morrow move the consideration of the Lords' Amendments to the Irish Corporation Bill and the Canada Mr. SHAW inquired whether the Noble Lord proposed actually to discuss the Lords' amendments to the Irish Mu nicipal Bill to-morrow, or only intended to call the atten tion of the House to the nature of those amendments? Lord JOHN RUSSELL understood there was a ques tion whether the privileges of that House bad not been fleeted by the alterations that had been made. If they vere affected by the amendments there would, of course, be an end to any further discussion on the Bill. If, on the other hand, the House should be of opinion, after hearing the Speaker, that they could waive any question of privilege with respect to the amendments, ne (Lord John Russell) would then move that the amend ments be printed before they were considered. With re. spect to the Canada Bill he would move that the House do agree with the Lords' amendments thereto. In answer to Mr. O'CONNELL, Mr. L ABOUC HERE said the Government had re ceived communications respecting the existence of Orange Lodges in Canada, and would have no objection to lay them un the table of the House. Mr. O'CONNELL said the Irish Banks Bill had only been printed that day, and would not arrive in Dublin be fore Thursday. Surely, then, the Government would not press it on a further stage on that day. There could be no time for its consideration. Lord MO RPE T H could not give any answer then, but the Chancellor of the Exchequer would be in his place to morrow. This was a most important crisis, as it was upon our foreign trade that our revenue depended.—( Cheers.) He was glad to hear that the Noble Lord had entered into these negociatious. Mr. POULETT THOMSON said that the meeting of the German Union was not for the purpose of entering into any negociations ; and, therefore, the utmost the gentleman could do was to collect opinions, as the Union as not empowered to enter into negociations. The question of commerce with us was a question of life and death—we were essentially a manufacturing nation.and could only maintain our position by remaining so.—( Cheers.) He thought throughout Europe there was a much greater disposition to liberalize their commercial relations than had existed a few years ago, and wherever the free trade principles had been acted on, they had invariably suc ceeded. France had recently been acting on the restric tive system, which he was convinced, if continued for a few years, would throw her back for fifty years in the list of commercial nations. But however averse he might be to meet restrictions by restrictions, if France continued her present system, he certainly should refuse those con cessions to her which be was inclined to grant to other nations. If this country had the power of fully developing her commerce, he feared nothing from the burdens which might be imposed upon her. Mr. EWA RT was desirous that there should be laid before the House an abstract of the correspondence which had taken place with Foreign Powers relative to the Corn laws. Whatever might be the difference of opinion among Reformers as to the conduct of the Ministry, as long as they maintained peace and free trade, they would have a strong hold on all reasonable men. Ac. WARBURTON thought that the conduct of this country with regard to the admission of French brandy might be a key to the conduct of the French Govern ment with regard to the restrictions imposed on British com. merce.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. POULETT THOMSON explained. Mr. T. ATT WOOD wished to see the principles of free trade carried out, and applied to taxes, rent, and debt. He protested against the doctrine that England was depen dent upon foreign trade. He wished the Noble Lord to say, that as he had allowed the trade of Circassia to be lost to England, what guarantee he could give that the trade of Trebizonde and Turkey should not be lost to Eng land. He should also like to know why treaties had not been entered into with the Circassian chiefs, and why a British Fleet had not entered the Black Sea, and why Russia was permitted to encroach upon the Circassian coast. The Noble Lord should have done his duty in the West as the East India Company bad done theirs in the East. Why had not the Noble Lord prosecuted Mr. Urquhart and Mr. Parish for libel ? They had brought se rious c'ttarges against the Noble Lord which ought to be noticed. Mr. THORNE LY thought that the sentiments of the Honourable Member for Birmingham were at variance with those of the majority of his constituents. He derived great satisfaction from the statements of the Noble Lord and the Right Hon. Gentleman, but he was satisfied that commer cial treaties alone were not sufficient, but that the removal of restrictions was necessary. He urged the Government to turn their attention to this subject during the recess, and he could assure them they little knew the support they would meet with throughout the country. In answer to a question put by Mr. ABEL SMITH, Lord PALMERSTON said that he received intelli gence from Captain Elliot, dated Macao, 23d March, which stated that he had received copies of certain edicts which had been issued by the authorities at Canton, relative to the opium trade, and tbat he was about to proceed to Canton to endeavour to enter into negotiations with the Chinese authorities. He had also seen an extract from a Singapore paper containing intelligence to the 26th April, and that intelligence he imagined was already in the pos session of the Hon. Member. The motion was then agreed to. SLIGO REGISTRY. Mr. SOMERS rose to move for a Select Committee, to inquire into the truth of the allegations contained in a petition, presented Bth July, fron► certain freeholders, householders, and inhabitants of the county and borough of Sligo, and report the same to the House. He made this motion for the purpose of impeaching the conduct of Mr. istings Robinson, an Assistant Barrister in the county of Sligo. Thirteen of his decisions on appeal had been reversed; he believed him to be an unjust Judge, and he moved for this Committee with a view to his removal from Alice if the charges should be substantiated. Col. PERCEVAL defended the conduct of Mr. Robinson, and animadverted on the manner in which the High Sheriff of Sligo had acted in appointing the Juries, by whom the decisions of Mr. Robinson had been reversed. He complained of the conduct of Mr. Justice Ball, in giving a decision on the Irish Registry Act on his own opinion, disregarding the opinion of the majority of he Judges, and begged the House to discredit the libel lous attacks made upon Mr. Robinson by these petitioners. Lord MORPETH thought the House must perceive - hat if they went into these matters they would not soon get out of them. He hoped both Hon. Members would be content with having called the attention of the House to t' l ►e subject, and would not press the matter further. He thought no Judge could with propriety be removed unless a corrupt motive were imputed to him, which was not the case in this instance. He disapproved of any exhibition of partisanship on the part of Sheriffs on either side, and it should be the duty of Government to discourage them. Mr. SOMERS then withdrew his motion. On the ATTORNEY-GENERAL rising to bring forward the motion of which he had given notice, to revise the standing order of last session, requiring a deposit of 101. per cent. to be paid before the introduction of Bills for the formation of Railways, with a view to substitute a payment of 5/. per cent. instead of lot., An HON. MEMBER moved the House be counted, when only 34 Members being present, the House adjourned at Half -past Eight o'Clock. HOUSE OF LORDS, AUGUST 6. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at Five o'Clock. A Message from the Commons brought up certain Bills, which were read a first time. Lord DUNCANNON moved the second reading of the Soldiers Pensions Bill. The Duke of WELLINGTON thought this a bene ficial measure. The Bill was then read a second time and ordered to be committed on Thursday. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from Sussex against a clause in the Tithe Act, and petitions from Aberdeen and Banff in favour of the penny postage. The Highway Rates Bill was read a second time. IRELAND. EVENING EDITION. where there has been default, no fine can ir sieviea, necause the party is not in circumstances to pay anything, and then instead of being put into prison, and punished in such a manner as by example to deter others from pursuing that course which must lead to the frustration of all criminal proceeding, the man is let out in ten or fifteen days, the punishment being as nominal as the estreat. And in what country, and in what state of society, and in what state of circumstances calculated on the one hand to deter a man from volunteering his testimony, and to seduce hint on the other from giving his evidence, is it that this bad prat • tice bas grown up and universally prevails ? Not in a country like England where every man knows if the recognizance is forfeited the levying of the fine is certain to ensue, but in a country where there is every circumstance to deter witnesses from coming forward, and every induce ment which is calculated to prevail upon them not to appear. They are either the friends of parties accused or accom plices, or affected in troublous times; these, especially in. the sister kingdom, have given rise to a vast proportion of the offences they have committed ; they are in circum stances so likely to operate by giving a fellow-feeling to the witnesses with the crimi na l, an d th e o ff ence itself with which he stands charged, that they want but very little additional motives to induce them not to come forward. This, my Lords, is human nature, and such are the cir cumstances which induce parties not to come forward. But if the terror was less, and the risk less, and the temptation or alliance sufficient to deter them, it is right enough to say that the office of prosecutor is none of the most agreeable for any man to perform, and consequently, the law, feeling for human weakness, it would not trust to volunteers ; it knows it cannot reckon upon willing testi mony, consequently it compels them to come forward it binds them over to prosecute. But in Ireland, where the motive of fear or favour, is more powerful, the compulsion which is real in England is there formal and unavailing. But I need not go through the evidence upon that. It is sufficient for me to state the fact as it is a sufficient ground for my first proposition, which is this to make that real and substantial which is not so now, by declaring that the due administration of criminal justice demands that a witness who is bound over to gi ve evidence, shall be imprisoned if he makes default. I now my, Lords, approach the second branch of the sub ject. I will not say that it is more important, for more important it cannot be than that which I have now handled, but I wish to make this distinction between the present and former Governments of Ireland. I make no charge against either of them, for it appears to me that this system has grown up in bad times. A practice has prevailed in Ireland owing to the state of society there, much more general, and consequently " b " served in England, that wherever the law is the same , wherever the practice f rom t i me to t i me i s id en tical I say, because I speak in the teeth of the most unhesitat ing but astonishing statement of a high Irish law authoritY, who to my utter astonishment has put upon record in c a written paper, that th a t i s a r i g h t never c l a i med or en joYel in England ; every criminal Judge knows that it is claimed, that it does exist in England—there is tot one criminal law for Ireland and another for England' though there is one practice I am sorry to say, in m ere instances than one. I refer of course, to the practice of the Crown in cases of felony, to set aside without peremptory challege, so as to leave twelve. But there, is beside s ' this challenge, and independently a most essential privi lege enjoyed by the Crown as prosecutor, which is t. 7 direct the Jurors from time to tim e t o stan d as id e until it is found that a sufficient number, namely, twelve , to try the case do not remain, and that ba s hitherto been done, for various reasons, such as having been engaged in the same practices, or particular cas es of having participated in the same seditious feelings a having attended m ee ti ngs w hi c h exc i te d to tumu lt, and various other matters of the same sort, a s , a ground for d e si r i ng J urors to stan d as i de t i ll t h e legal number of twelve did not remain, and then there was the peremptory challen ge . S uc h was t h e case i n I re l an d till very lately; but now a different course prevails, in c ense- quence of the instructions given by the Attorney-Gener al, ( Sir Michael O'Loghlin) in 1835 or 1536, of whi ch a copy has been given to the Committee, and the se instructions have bean the subject of much discussion and deserve the best attention of your LordshiP s • I am bound, in fairn ess t o t h e su bj ect and myself, to state that I should not be prepared to go the length of this el," elusion of all setti ng as id e , groun d e d upon a s trongly expressed religious or political opinion, for I can imag ine a political trial, where e ver ythi ng d epen d s— h oweve r clear the evidence may be—however clear the guilt may be-- - where, if there be upon the Jury one or more p er sons Ab er have partaken of all th e p rocee di ngs i n which that offenc e was committed, and out of which it arose—l can well O n ' ceive that no one possible issue of that trial could be ex pected but an acquittal ; and having conversed with Judge s c in this country o n th at su bj ect repeatedly, I h ave found them entertain no d ou bt w h atever t h at t h e ru l e is laid down a vast deal too strongly. But I pass that over, for my object to-ni g ht i s t o come upon nothing whieh,ea be controversial or cause do u bt as t o matter o f opino n * One, and only one, ground of setting aside is here spe cified—you have seen the feeble and vacillating affirms' tive. It can be set aside on c ommun i cat i on w i t h the Pr' „, in Court. Now, as to his own interpretation of these, instructions he was clea r ly o f op i n i on that t h e s trongest expressions of political opinion even where political feelings are most strongly excited, ought not to be all ground whatever for directing a juror to stand aside. Now I pass that over—it may, or may not be right. Il d e says the evil of abusing that privileg e wou ld b e worse, an on the whole, the balance is in favour of making the rule peremptory, and never setting it aside. But then he give ; a construction to his own order, which to me is most mar vellous, which I endeavoured to rectify by examining very fully, and which, I believe, all the Committee agreed with me in thinking, fell short of a very satisfactory or even intelligible interpretation, or of anything like a defence of his own construction ; but he said he did not conceive that a person who happened to be no relation of the parties to the cause should be set aside for other reasons. Now I gave him a reason ; a person grossly ignorant, totally incapable of attending to the cause—no relation, but yet connected by similarity of conduct, and having been guilty of all those things that led to the commission o f the same offence. Well, another case was put ; man o f notoriously bad life and conv ersa ti on , not to be trusted m point of honesty ; and various other c ases w ere put, on every one of which I never meant they should not stand aside. No less a pra c ti ca l p erson — no l ess connec t e d with the Irish administration of justice than the Crown Solit tor, Mr. Kemmis, not a nov i ce , b ut w h o f or thirty-01,e' i years has presided over the important department Of 0 - 1 minal trials, he said when examined, he would not be justified in setting as id e any man fer any one of tho se reasons I have just st a t e d. H ere i s a very extraordia ar i dilemma in which we are placed. The Attorney-Gen era gives his instructi ons t o Counsel, those instructions are t° guide him. The Cro wn S o li c i tor puts one constru ction _ on those directions, the Att orney - G eneral puts a nother construction. The construction o f t h e author of t h e diref; tions is directly opposed to th e i nstruct i ons o f him receives the directions—he is to act according to his interpretation;" the clearness of and n d t h given e he in h s a tr s u n ct o ion g s u t id h e on sel themselves, h s commentary furnished by the Attorney-General. f my Lords, the consequences of all this are bad; an u b ", you will turn to the evidence, not of persons hostile to t Government, but connected with it, you will find th at there is an almost uniform concurrence of testimony of t d opinions of all those officers, so that it has injured a t a b lowered the character and the composition of 1 3. , im or eit i l an h i t jurors. Now they give an instance—publicans. P e ", - , • cans are necessarily under the influence of tradestn e " . All that class of offenders connected with ribbon associa tions. particularly ar e p ersons w h o h ave a contro l ov er 0 , publicans, and I appeal to your Lordships whether it d r t possible to expect that a publican being on a jury—an. only can be prevented by exercising the right of seal him aside—whether the jury will convict the offenclera?T h n e observation made by one of the witnesses, on ~tr , subject was, " I conceive it is not that the pu'l cans are not honest, or that they would not be honest 11 0 jurors, if. in their circumstances they dare do their duty. The general effect of the evidence is,that the administrat ion of justice has in this w a y practically suffered. There is bt. one exception—that of a person who, in 1836, was °P . pointed Crown-Solicitor, Mr. Cahill. Now, he may b° a very respectable man, and an able solicitor, but I hav e much less respect for him in his character as witness, than in any other capacity—( A laugh)—and this de' claration is founded upon what I am now about to read to your Lordships. I doubt not that the Noble Lords, who heard his evidence will not soon forget the way in which he gave it.—( Hear, hear.) He seemed to take an impression from the beginning that it was a had circumstance for him that he had been appointed at a time when he was a member of the General Association; that Association being of an extremely factious character, tending towards the repeal of the Union—at all events t ° the abolition of the Established Church, and the cessatio n of the payment of tithes. He seemed to have heard befor e , that the objection was against hi s appointment, on that thatgr ‘u recollection.nv Was as a n y d ou e v a e r membery p H a r e t re o arefo of the his tsho emee General examplesid e e n n er c a e A was tinged with i n the Corn Exchan ge ? I think I was. .sCciation h eld I " Were you a mem b er w h en appointed Crown 5o 1) citor ? - - - 1 . “ lam not clear th a t I was . I cannot state t n."' , I was not. Did you attend any of the meetings ? " I have been present, looking on ; but never t ool‘ any part. , /