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I T he s em u , Adjo unm u , l*a ke . r being announced to be at prayers, the Committee ntil to-moi row. Tga iv r GROUP V. buz---7.-.J7.....CRE5T,"12., CHEST Litrxxx.r), AND %mw -- " , o 33 3- UNCTION EAILWA YS. THE vi...--•••• L INCOLNSHIRE ALTERNATIVE E. ken a b e 4 18 N--The Chairman, the O'Conor Don, Sir Denham Nor. ~J°l3n Rae Reid, Mr. D av i es, an d M r . H o pe Johnstone. d en ,: vatur ni ttee proceeded this morn i ng t o r e ceive further evi ivu, the alternative line. re evi dence Wu of the same uninteresting character as before. the INao Vickers spoke to the injury which would be done to tq w . a and cattle rnarket in Shcffield if the Chesterfield and ii7,l Railway were allowed to be constructed. t'aili°tLrnsd" Dunn Jeffcott, coa l valuer, Sheffield—He was well ac. %the with the co a l fi e l ds in the neighbourhood of Sheffield and li oes of th e Chesterfield and Sheffield and of the Lincoln e Railway The coal on the latter line was of a much NI Useful quality for manuf ac t ur i ng p ur p oses , a nd could be more !Nl:ached , the n earest vein on the other line be i ng s i x m i les liskC e town of Sheffield. There was no converting coal at Dron- A ri k miouNod tuber of witnesses gave similar evidence, and the Committee at four o'clock. 84A, GROUP W. Th„ :ON AND GOOLE MAXI:WAY. It `ftnraittee en this line met at twelve to-day, Mr. Pakington Ife,ichalc• The Hon. Mr. Maxwell, the Hon. Mr. Bouverie, jr ore, and L or d S eymour were also present. to the "QRLts, on the part of the promoters, resumed his address hoe sheemomittee. He contended that the Brayton and Goole merits is Pass irrespective of any other line, for it had independent sl ime of it s own _ would develop the general resources, and espe- Istieronsole the extension of the traffic in coals and lime of a most L ac t of country, that was hitherto isolated and crippled to a -4°. mos extent, in consequence of having no outlet for its s adp r er ' o „ c • The Learned Counsel pressed this point at great length, th e p n ded to say that the cost of the line would only be 1 00,000/., Neb es 't P ai ned over a tract of country where no gentleman's sph ol : would be destroyed —no park or place interfered with in tsd; co nrse. The Committee should not hesitate for a moment th al ' Propriety of passing the line. But when he compared it akt, - cmm eeting line (the proposed Wakefield, Pon th-gas k id 7 G oole line) as a communication with Wake ophc,.°l4, Leeds, and the west, he considered that it had . l or Made it greatly superior. In the first p!ace, only twelve oets o „ - ,_"'e would berequ ired to be constructed, while by the Coal ther m iles. The cost would 10 0 would be twenty-seven : ° ° l ., while the cost of the other would be 350,0001. tb.lerable""ond place, it possessed gradients far more eous; l ' h ich even by the admission of its opponents, more -soh, 47‘erbalanCed the three miles which it exceeded the other tiff um naa t o Wakefield. When he also considered that it 144 ame le I s ; a ccommodation and facility of conveyance to the k 44ezakefield, L ee d s , an d a ll th e towns to the west, th a t k i Wils,.. Z . been in the habit of importing and exporting Z ne . wloZ7 Hull, the advantages which it presented were in- Oi e r n . than those of the Wakefield, Pontefract, and Goole en ded ;Ice grounds, thertfore—cheapness, gradients, accom .nd.,' advantage to the general tra ffi c of the country—he /1 4 1 not 1 4 the Wakefield, Pontefract, and Goole line ds, th . ° l' a moment to be compared with R. op i'l k` Committee would, in the face of the evi- P % a llttZ t b ad been adduced to prove these facts, be of 474 - had not such a superiority over the Wakefield . and , (4 ou t i;, 4 a communication with the manufcturing districts, that he had brought forward ev a idence su ffi cient Zeeb,,the Committee to grant the line on its own it% wii.trafge. 'faking all these advantages into . account, is,,We ° the trifling expense which the construction of the Zilli t L e cttr. the Committee, he was sure, would exercise a til l, -11 Wiss.,,F, a t M in passing the B ra yton and Goole Railway, whether %h"tissh,_ th e Wakefield, Pontefract, and Goole line or not. p e - 1 711 , the case of the promoters of the line. of ite."posibWax then asked Mr. Bliss, who appeared onb e h a lf -1 41 IC landholders on the line, whether he would bring for tY Witnesses I:lthtllite Plied that he would not adduce any evidence, but Ne %trill • sown of the Committee he would address them on ars clients. IrL 4l os,:wtl itt,, Ce '"Art then ordered the room to be cleared, and re -wloiott d eliberation for three quarters of an hour. On our re- C W It % t . 114 4 R 4 - aN told Mr Bliss to proceed with his address. hires went on to comment on the evidence which had madeforward, and contended that no case whatever had Ili kt tleol: Ut . on the part of the promoters of the Brayton wis line for cutting up the property of his clients. say _no evidence of a satisfactory character to show that it .u"it s on the ground of independent traffic. It was a 1% 7 of helcoatuitous assumption on their part. Along the whole Or i o ee :e Miles there was only one mile on which the lan d. . stiNentte:e favourable to it. There was eight miles k e. a tlrs to t 's and three miles, on which the parties were neutral, tceite pe rn ed no answer. When the Committee c,nsidered that thj a blie stv 4l ' e adY five lines of railway intersecting and cutting.up of the Hon. Mr. Petre, and when they considered o h . a ° th at was offered by the other landholders, and that tt s tli ts to -4; another line proposed which would afford all 1 0 , 44 t s °da tion which the Brayton and Goole would give, he ItweLtkph7.at there was no case whatever made out for the line. I trZ e 0 147 Counsel then proceeded to analyse the tables of 4 C c1 4., .. b .e ad been made, and contended that they were all d, -- greatly exaggerated. Tl.e whole receipts would not, mr„, - ;tkrit to within 4001. of the cost of management. How Ss /N et u t ,,,Was the course pursued by the promoters of 4414, th e th e i r ttoeheir,o,tri a s ti on e tefract, and Goole line in the construe tables. The greatest care had been taken . 4 tftt n e l e CoroDtocure accurate and Incontrovertible information, %si r llisnalittee would recollect what an enormous amount of kO t t o kle proved as already existing, and to be anticipated, on tutt,. ° e Learned Counsel then referred to Mr. Hudso . n Ns.> ori . m .esPeet to the proposed line, and . said that the project 1 : . "11,1 4 tli t -44 ed with him, to promote his own interest and L ' , l3o l k th cornpanies with which he was connected. He e m ,,a Committee whether it was right air to the ; 'Klan to have such a p re p onderating pp het -r any one man 411 1 M orpcommunication of the country. ~.,1 -4 1f . ,,W a s then cleared, and the Committee remained in h alf -an-hour On our re-admission " ads said that the Committee could not come to a N ' - v ` . l tei t it being then past four o'clock, and they had not 'oe c o tts t ,; , rie s. 4 adve b Z itl e: l ,, th e, an . asked if he would have . permission to address di The Cr hi ll , toils to any decision being come t o that would " e ,o tor N -4 or admit the Brayton and Goole line? . k s ,"' l leei s A sa id that in the case assumed by Mr. Wilkins s?Zli*ii-p~rpvedLthenaoni 81ve him the permission . he required. a %) Is a °Bed that, after the decision to-morrow, the hR 4 d - Preeeed with the clauses of which line was and a % . WoUld not enter upon the consideration of the -,Orstkitt ° Ole line till Monday. ea Olen adjourned till twelve o'clock to-morrow. Eoh.v, GROUP X. th: 'view -- I'CON AND YORK LINE. . 0 4ibli nt e , of , a ssembled at half-past twelve o'clock, and took ef's,lirdowners who . oppose the preamble of the Bill, toy th eir .„ the proposed line passing through . their estates, •'°Undo, garden., views, and intruding on their IN4 seli v sai Shg phis solicitor and agent to Lord Scarborough, produced it t Srlik BB °f his Lordship's estates, and showed the spot the p ro h Posed line was to pass. . L 46.71 4 14 "'..0 surveyor, deposed as to the precise nature of 81 " 11 d Ise done, and the amount of land that would t:1 1 14 W I !tell as the farms, grounds, &c., that would be in „,_"alltets:l4ll bY the line. isltceSt the occupied a considerable time, B ' lol l that the cuttings, embankments, encroach -01014 a t :, 414 not be so extensive or so injurious in effect as Its s • ""Peseed to anticipate. When his evidence had St ‘i ks, „,b4, S -eals°l,3,, said that on the part of Lord Scarborough he tai t :lts, - ,'"l More witnesses. He would now wish to know t t . s kr.: , . 1 wa s intended to * pursue by his Learned Friends t ot tl ‘01.„ /41, 41 1 sb t° . sT ar cl i __ l be London and York Company would be willing I seti ons. bo rough on the most liberal terms, and obviate jhet),„„ If his Learned Friend had closed his case then, ' t ` s. , oll et • i l e - i ".° 11 3 address a few he robsevations on the case he had st. 4ti taks ;Zas still fresh in minds of the Committee. 4,24 i t then, after a short consultation with the Com iaN7B. 1 11 - 0 ° ,_ 414 be . more convenient if Mr. Denison would 0, case. ..,ervatlons he wished to offer upon Lord Scar- S l t bitheo and then the opposite counsel could either reply tt;sts.,„" c attle to make his generalstatements. qtt L I SOI I ,- 41176 beeeltthe.4 Proceeded to speak the the beauty of Lord lic it _. He contended that eauty b o en f u t t l y iat pro_ cßoy, s isitio t t b . su rpassed by any in England ; a which l t ,k s kt e d ea ' tr "Tne s but which no future time could restore if the th b , ° Yed it would be, by the innovation proposed to pareolnt7sv railroad, which it was alleged was called ltss t ;' o Oly claims of the public convenience. The road % ti t , * 4 , 4 .4 t l a his estate asunder, but it would deprive him, v4/-4_ll iat Portion of his estate which . he . was wont to c'Stiti o `qs, creation and that of his family, friends,. 1 / 4 1 11 i t ,„ . ° nde Pendent of the many objections to this a s .mi lastrivate grounds, he would contend for it that, 04 ZDtoua ilroUnds his Learned Friends opposite thhat this ;ould be the most convenient . and /8 1:4 i sver ave be neersen laid produced ; b out. He (Mr. Denison) had. ex. t but it did not appear - 4etie or al engi 4 the us had ever been over Lord Scarborough's 481, ty~rlh„l' ; 17its01,-,4cted to his Learned Friend entering upon the 4~ the it oY t_he ease. tv,2-011a,i,,'eolltelided he had a right to do so, and to oc t,74th: th e ;, 4 e for three weeks if he pleased.—(Laughter)— !l a 'N,,,"ia ~`"°lttaittee from London to York, and speak o; e li -te t• every mile of the line, for he originally t or ir Cis it ion to the preamble of the Bill, as well as on nt tvt Weer cat borou g h It • " t se a • eed with Mr. Denison, and requested him to 44 i t t „ t: l4 ° did tho w ". He contended that no evidence had been lt s l S's o t b i "ccUrately the amount of injury that would be , e client's tb that if property, and therefore he was warranted d hkkat f e et the London and York Company . cou It" it - that . the y had intentionally and wilfully )4,l,,siss hat The only person who . cou , l i d 11, k 7. aii.sthe epld bank, but he had not been pioducic. tp t th: Uon e of ee on this point was of a very general elm hai Isithi the witnesses could say that the line wen . t 14 ea ° two miles of the house, while in fact it titno,Z tt, e „.° •Mr. Wightman had been asked is% 'Os p ro of the injury that would be done to Lord b ol 4 ,yll l :,t r ict t „ °Pe rtY, and he said the injury would be entirely ..‘eve r "441 oharac no residential in srattid , ers and that th_N, 4 to be done. Now he (Mr. Denison) Vilt4ati o f °r; it that the injury was entirely re \ „Phk, very serious and injurious character. h st4 ra,, ‘. - "' vs ' 0 0 i".. S carborough at present had various modes of Ir cata his house--by private pathways and I S L jet th alt e , ith k to "t going on the road, or being ex t;4, eo T ; t :: li t ; but this proposition so completely Nit Ni l v• Unic ation, that his Lordship and his ta t _ clt a alltors could reach the wood from his house only 1 0 'l) 1. 81 °r over • la, a let L k., *4 „ a bridge where there was a cutting. ss °or% " elven to hunting, but he had not yet been as _Nf i jle Ti.4l an.,•"ciently broken in to stand the puff liot - e tt s 'r• t7ne*---(Laughter ) With such an in_ stit sati on enni, -"'") would ask was 561. an acre •4 0, Il le: 8 ,?°Pet4, ° . - What amount of money could be said to be ikliq u isO i eesi a . „ 'ls4 P The Learned Counsel having recapitu kof th 'uftlei, n , 6 evidence at some length, concluded that he , VoUnds for establishing the fact that the pre_So 85 4 4 84 not bee to . 4 4 0a, Mao oiled n proved, qflo e „ s tt a.. 44 upon Mr. Paget to reply. 1,4, 1 '14,7: the d do so, though he would rather not. tileZgittieu of the Committee, he would proceed . to • 48 s1' 1 ‘ 8 M I sk e , t8 s Y re t : o l -; rd Scarborough's case. He was willing t 0 sit i l l? "tate t to the extent of the supposed injury kls.4BY so Welker. 0 be as they had been stated by Mr. 1, It s ' , co Of His (Mr. Paget's) clients were willing li e , 4 !, his eoProaehes that should be deemed necessary to s. lb 4 4d i eiss fUrth r e d4 r hi t P:s farm that should be severed by the s. lb let. they were willing to make a tunnel zoo, St h i `ala g, wa , so very deep as to be objectionable. 4of +4'44. behalf of Sir Wm. Milner, next rose—He h B ho Use 4. 1 *ell he ttee4 o_sWas situated on a very beautiful site, in th k the as st 1 , 40 0w n t. ,° l ! say that it was at one time a . nunn fth y s , %It I .Ntli k er nark a ' d, the nunneries and monasteries o 4, -4 14, 5. °)e or kebt c on efor the beauty of their sites. Some time 4 ta i 74 ceived the public convenience demanded 1 44 :1 , 1 47. 1 % sys called the York and North Midland, mtio e " l o the'"rnl4 client's estate, and the result was, that f o tt l y "ate was taken up by that railway, and at k t o itt a t " Miles and a half from the house, on an estate that had cost 72,0001. He THE S UN, LONDON, THURSDAY EVENING, JUNE 5, 1845. (Mr. Pickering) had, like his Learned Friend, Mr. Deni scn, to complain of the want of accurate engineering evi dence as to the extent to which Sir W. Milner's estate would be affected by the present project. None of the engineers could state accurately the distance; but he could tell the Committee it was no less than three miles, with an embankment of 19 feet deep just apposite the house, and close to the carriage drives that were in daily use by the family. He would call wit nesses to prove, not only that he was correct in this statement, but that also on public grounds this was not the most useful line to the public that could be had, and that for 14 miles it would run parallel with a line already existing, a thing almost unprecedented. Mr. Robert Smith, surveyor, was then called, and corroborated the Learned Counsel's statement in regard to Sir W. Milner's estate, its locality, value, rent roll, and the manner in which it would be effected by the proposed railway. After the examination of another witness to the same effect, the Committee adjourned at half-past five o'clock. TATTERSALL'S.—THIS EVENING Six o'CLocic ASCOT CUP. 2 to 1 agst Foig-a-ballagh. 5 to 2 agst Alice Hawthorn 5 to 1 agst any other ASCOT STAKES. 4 to 1 agst Annandale ST. LEGER. 10 to 1 agst Annandale SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. (FROM OUR CORRESPONDENT.) The Oaks was a right down sporting race, won by a good sportsman, whose good fortune every lover of honest racing must be delighted to witness. I question if in any year so many mistakes have been made by the proprietors of race horses, The Lancashire Witch cut up most disgracefully, to the astonishment of her backers. Her condition was first rate, and yet she was beaten by animals which, were she to meet on another day, I am convinced she would defeat with little difficulty. Hope ran extremely well, as, indeed, have all the nags in Wadlow's stable. Had there, however, been the slightest idea in the minds of certain parties of the form in which she had been in, the same measures which were had recourse to, in order to prevent The Libel winning, would have been employed against her. The Maid of Orleans found the hill too severe for her to accomplish in time to catch many others whom she would have beaten on a different course. Major Yarburgh's Lady Sarah must not be lost sight of on future occasions. Lord Chesterfield's beautiful little animal Lady Wildair had neither length nor speed for an Oaks winner; as it was, she struggled up very well, and showed that her backers had some reason for supporting her in the way they did. Her friends were very numerous. The Napoleon of the turf this year made a great mistake, but it was one which all men speculating on races in which mares are engaged are liable to fall into. His Lordship feeling assured that his Miss Elis was the best of tie Good wood division, laid against the winner, and backed his mar e unceasingly. She went amiss the night before, and let his Lordship in for 2,220/. Venus, the pet of the Irish division, was thought to be a "good pot," but I understand " the Old England game" was played with her. The winner's chance, previous to the race for the Coffee room Stakes at Newmarket, was by no means a bad one. But the disgraceful manner in which she was beaten by Prologue and Lyons, completely put her out of the market,: and when the: characterlof those horses is taken into considera tion, no one would have been justified in recommending her to the attention of the public. It is somewhat singular that the Duke of Richmond on this occasion, like Mr. Gratwicke on the Derby day, changed his colour and his luck. Why do not Exeter and Lord Glasgow take the hint, and follow suit? Lord March and Lord Alexander Lennox having backed her in the winter at long odds, and being unable to get off, won a good stake. In conclusion, I must say that this race is losing its attraction in the eyes of the fair sex, who, I am afraid, will migrate to courtly Ascot. The settling on Tuesday was the most amicable ever known for years. For a wonder not a defaulter was to be found, though Old England was very nearly causing some. I believe if this horse had been treated fairly, and the atten tion of the stables not been so much distracted with the exa • mination of the Stebbing's Plot, as to have enabled them to have given him his regular gallops, it is just upon the cards that he might have won, As usual when the favourite is beaten, the bookmakers have a handsome profit on their ledger. The chief winners', are Captain Higgins, the Hon. Horace Pitt, Mr. Chichester, and Mr. Sutherland. Mr. Irwin, the owner of Foig-a-ballagh and a friend, having backed the winner for a trifling amount, and being unable to get out as he was desirous of doing, was actually forced (does not the reader feel for his painful position) to win from ten to twelve thousand pounds. The Black Prince was only started to win a bet of 5001, which Mr. Mytton had laid that he would start. Mr. M. shortly after he had made the bet purchased the horse fur 500 sovereigns, started him, and so got him for nothing. I tSinca the poisoning of Bessy Bedlam and Plenipotentiary, at Doncaster, a more atrocious scheme to get money out of the public has never been practised. Mr. Gully is deserving of the highest credit for the spirited and able mariner in which he brought the matter before the sporting world. It is only deeply to be regretted that more severeimeasures can not be adopted against the scoundrels, whose conduct has brought such disgrace on the turf. It is no doubt owing to these worthies that John Day owes the loss of Lord George Bentinck's horses. His Lordship suspected young John to be the person who gave information respecting his horses, and accordingly told his father he must get rid of him, but the former, conscious of the integrity of his son, declined to part with him, and his Lordship removed his horses. The public now can have some idea of the reason Lord George Bentinck's horses ran so badly during the last season they were at Danebury. The Ascot programme is now out, and is very rich in its promise of sport. TELEGRAPH. London, June 5, 1845. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Their Lordships met at Five o'Clock. Several Noble Lords and Right Rev. Prelates presented petitions against the Maynooth grant. RAILWAY BILLS. A number of Railway Bills were brought up from the House of Commons. On the motion of Earl FORTESCUE, the Small Debts Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Mon day next. The Marquis of NORMANBY presented a petition from the mayor and corporation of Newcastle-upon-Tyne praying the House to adopt some sanatory regulations for large towns. THE NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT. Lord BROUGHAM called attention to the crowded state of the House on the preceding evening, and complained of their Lordships being obliged to meet in a place by no means sufficiently large to contain the whole of their number. He wished to ask the Noble Marquis who took an interest in this matter whether he intended to renew his motion on the subject of the new Houses of Parliament ? The Marquis of CLANRICARDE thought it highly unjust and improper that their Lordships should be compelled to continue longer in the present building. It was absolutely necessary that something should be done to urge on the com pletion of the new House, and this was not merely a matter of public convenience, but a matter appertaining really to the health of their Lordships.—(Hear, hear.) They ought, cer tainly, to have been in the new House before this time, and they most undoubtedly would have been, had proper attention been paid to the subject. They would long ago hare been in the other House, had it not been that some hesitation had been felt about the best decorations and ornaments to be used in the House, which were properly introduced as subsidiary to the dignity of the place in which they assembled, but which ought to be entirely a matter of secondary consideration. In answer to the Noble and Learned Lord, he begged to state that it was his intention, whenever a favourable opportunity presented itself, to move the re-appointment of the Committee up stairs. —( Hear. ) The Marquis of NORAIANBY wished to say a word or two on this subject. It was impossible to endure the sufferings to which they had been subjected for the last three nights, as well from the vitiated air produced by the imperfect way in which the House was ventilated, as from the sudden drafts on that side of the House. He had himself caught a cold a short time ago, which confined him to the house for nearly a week, and he could attribute it to no other cause than the drafts of that House. He hoped, therefore, that some means would be resorted to for the purpose of obtaining an assurance that these evils would be remedied before the next session of Par liament. Lord CAMPBELL thought that it was not creditable that these complaints which had been reiterated so often should be still unattended to. Lord BROUGHAM said it appeared to him that Mr. Barry did all but set this House at defiance. Mr. Barry conceived he had high protection in this House, but let him take care that he would not find himself mistaken. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented petitions against the imprisonment for small debts. Lord BROUGHAM said the wishes of the petitioners amounted, to nothing more or less than this, that they should contract small debts, but never be asked to pay them, or forfeit their goods for them, or be put in gaol for them. —(Laughter. ) He now begged to present a petition from a Noble Lord a Member of that House, in which the petitioner complained that a branch of the Nottingham railroad in the midland counties proposed to pass through a part of his estate, by which it would not only destroy his game preserves, but also render it impossible that any one could live comfortably in his house, on which he had recently expended 10,000/. He the efore appealed to their Lordships, having in vain sought justice elsewhere. He (Lord Brougham) begged to move that the petition be referred to the Committee. (LEFT SITTING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four o'clock. Leave was given to several Committees on Railway Bills to sit until Five o'Clock. ELY AND HUNTINGDON RAILWAY BILL. The Ely and Huntingdon Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. CORNWALL RAILWAY. Sir J. Y. BULLER presented certain petitions against the Cornwall Railway, which were ordered to be referred to the Select Committee. STANDING ORDERS. Mr. GREENE brought up the report of the Standing Orders Committee. ABERDEEN RAILWAY. Mr. F. BARING brought up the report of the Aberdeen Railway Committee. KENDAL AND WINDERMERE RAILWAY. The Kendal and Windermere Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. AGRICULTURAL BANK OF IRELAND. Mr. MORRISON brought up the report on the Agricultural rank of Ireland Bill. NEWCASTLE AND DARLINGTON RAILWAY BILL. On the order of the day for the further consideration of the report on the Newcastle and Darlington Railway Bill, , Lord HOWICK called the attention of the House to the facts of the case. The Bill enabled the Newcastle and Darlington Railway Company to purchase the Brandling Junction Railway. That purchase was not detrimental to the i'ublic, but it had taken place in September, and the Bill was brought forward in June to sanct ion it. Now, the se purchases ought not to be effected before the House had sanctioned them. In this case no harm had been done, but this very company had recently effected a bargain and sale vihieh would very much militate against the public interest. It was known that before long it would be necessary to have a direct line to York, which line would be much interfered with if the parties interested in keeping up the circuitous line to York were permitted to be come possessors of the independent line north of York. He thought those sales ought not to be permitted to take place un til Parliament or the Board of Trade should have had au oppor tunity of considering the terms agreed on. Sir G. CLERK admitted the importance of the subject to which the Noble Lord had directed the attention of the House; but it should be remembered that those bargains to which the Noble Lord had alluded were merely preliminary, and that if they did not receive the sanction of the House, they were of no effect whatever. Mr. STUART WORTLEY—When they came to a sanc tion of that kind, he hoped the Parliament would interfere. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the Right Hon. Gentleman the Vice-President of the Board of Trade had expressed an opinion quite in coincidence with that of his Noble Friend. Ihe same thing of which he had complained occurred in the Committees last year, and he thought that some means should be taken to obviate the loss which arose from the custom of amalgamation. After a few words from Mr. B. DENISON and Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND, Lord G. SOMERSET said, that if the House would look back to the railway Bills of former years, they would find that no power of leasing was given, and it was only of late years that this power had been obtained. There was no doubt that the system of leasing had worked well, and many railways had been brought into existence, and had proved great conveniences to the public, which would, if this power had not existed, never have been made. There o as, therefore, not that objection to the plan which might at first sight appear. The amendments were then rut, when Mr. LIDDELL presented a petition from Mr. Brandling, of the county of Northumberland, complaining that he had not had a fair hearing before the Committee, and requesting that a certain clause might be inserted for tLe government of the railway in the neighbourhood of his property. This gentle man was a constituent of his, and he felt it so just a case, that he should move that the petition be referred to the Standing Orders Committee. After a few words from Lord WORSLEY on this motion, the petition was referred accordingly. NEWCASTLE AND BERWICK RAILWAY. On the motion that the Newcastle and Berwick Railway bill be read a second time, `Mr. MORRlSON:suggested that a clause should be intro duced into all railway Bills for the modification of the charge for tolls on the several classes of passengers. Lord WORSLEY said, that having been chairman of the Committee on this Bill, he had given it his closest attention. The Committee had spent something like an hour and half to two hours on this very point, and they had not found that any Bill had been passed to which the toll had been less than that stated in the clauses of the Bill, and he did not think that any less charge would be remunerative. Mr. LABOUCHERE said that there was one clause to which his attention had been particularly drawn. It provided that the provisional Committee should appoint two directors, but did not say whether they should be shareholders or not. He wished to know on what grounds these directors were to be appointed. Lord WORSLEY said that the attention of the Committee had likewise been drawn to this circumstance, and they had searched for a precedent, and had found that a Bill had been passed in which the Duke of Northumberland was interested, with a similar clause, and they had consequently been relieved from all difficulty respecting the clause. The Bill v as then read a second time. The reports of the railway Committees were then brought up on the Preston and Wyre Railway, the Blackburn and Preston, and the London and Enniskillen Railway. RUNCORN RAILWAY. Mr. OSBORNE presented a petition against the Bill, which was ordered to be referred to the Committee of Standing Orders. EDINBURGH AND GLASGOW RAILWAY. This Bill was read a third time and passed. WEST LONDON RAILWAY. Mr. BAILEY presented a petition from Chertsey against ,he West London Railway Bill. TOTTENHAM AND FARRINGDON-STREET JUNCTION RAILWAY. Mr. MACKINNON moved that the petition of James Tailor, Esq., against this railway Bill, be referred to the Committee on the Bill, with liberty to be heard, by counsel, against the said Bill, which was agreed to. (TREAT WESTERN RAILWAY (IRELAND). Mr. RASHLEIGH presented a petition against this Bill. LIVERPOOL AND BURY RAILWAY. Lord SANDON presented a petition from Liverpool, signed by 36,000 individuals, in favour of this railway. PRESSURE OF RAILWAY BuINESS. Mr. LABOUCHERE rose to bring forward his motion with respect to the railway business before Parliament. He regretted that the task had been left to him, and considered that it ought to have been brou g ht f orwar d by her Majesty's Government. The Right Hon. Gentleman the President of the Beard of Trade said he thought that the course he pro posed would be a very proper one in a month or six weeks hence, but that he was not prepared un it then to adopt any steps with reference to the quantity of railway business before Parliament. He (Mr. Labouchere ) entertained the opinion that the House would not perform its duty to the immense interests involved if they did not imme diately adopt some measures with regard to railways. The state of the railway business before the House at the pre sent period was notorious, and so many Hon. Gentlemen in that House were members of Committees, that it was almost wholly unnecessary to advert to it. He found on inquiry, that out of two hundred arid forty-three railway projects introduced into the House at the commencement of the se-sion, one hun dred and forty still remained to be disposed of. He was told that, besides the difficulty the House had in disposing of this pressure of business, they had another labour to undergo in consequence of the course which had been adopted with regard to the reports of the railway department of the Beard of Trade— a course rendering it necessary for the Committees of the House to refer to them. Surely there ought to be no ad ditional delay and expense which the House could possibly avoid thrown in the way of the promoters of those schemes. It had been, he was informed, statei by a Learned Counsel to one of those Committees, that with regard to the plans on the group of railways, of_ which the London arid York line was one, that no less a sum than 300,0001. had been expended on all the lines before that Committee. It was difficult to say what course ought new to be adopted, but one thing was certain, namely, that it would be impossible now to pass the remainder of those Bills in the present session of Par liament. It would be quite impossible, he repeated, to pass those Bills in the course of the present session through the other branch of tke Legislature. Parties opposing the projects before Committees, it was well-known, sought to delay the pass ing of those lines in the hope that they might be continued beyond the session, and that the promoters should then in the next session give up their projects altogether, or commence their proceedings anew. That was a degree of injustice that be was: sure that House would not willingly agree to, and he thought an efficacious mode of getting rid of the evil would be to place parties at the beginning of the next session in precisely the same position in which they stood at the end of the preceding one. They had two instances on record in which this course had been adopted. With this view, he had to move the two resolutions of which he had given notice, namely, that, inasmuch as, from the unusual number of Railway Bills which have been introduced into this House during the present session of Parliament, and also from the delay has been occasioned in the consideration of them, in conse quence of the reference of the reports of the Railway Depart ment of the Board of Trade to the Committees on these Bills, it may be impossible for many of them wbieh shall have been reported to this House to be passed into laws during the present session, this House will adopt such measures in the next session as may appear best calculated to prevent the parties promoting such Bills from being subjected to any unnecessary expense or delay. That a Select Committee be appointed, to consider in what man ner it may be expedient to carry this resolution into effect. He would say, in conclusion, that if the Government would undertake measures to remedy this evil, he should withdraw his resolutions. Sir G. CLERK said the Government had turned their attention very anxiously to railway legislation, but he did not think the House could then with propriety come to any specific resolution on the subject, nor pledge itself to any particular line of conduct. The course proposed was without precedent, except under peculiar circumstances ; and, therefore, looking at the extreme difficulty in which the question was, he preferred re ferring the whole subject to the consideration of a Select Committee, who might recommend a course much more comprehensive and effectual than that which was recom mended in the resolution. He would, therefore, move as an amendment, that a Select Committee be appointed to inquire into the several Railway Bills, and re port what measures could be adopted to facilitate the pa-sing of Railway Bills through Parliament, and what course it might be most judicious to adopt in reference to railway Bills to be brought before the House during the session. Railway business had now increased to such an extent, that some systematic line of conduct must be pursued. The Right Hon. Baronet concluded by moving the amendment. Sir G. GREY seconded the amendment. Lord EIO WICK supported the resolution of his Right Hon. Friend the Member for Taunton, considering that an inquiry was absolutely necessary, not only for the convenience of parties promoting, but for the benefit of the dis tricts to be accommodated by the railway. Lord G. SOMERSET who, from the excessive noise in the House, was almost inaudible in the gallery, was understood to oppose the resolution before the House, deeming it both inex pedient and prematue. Sir G. GREY agreed in the views expressed by the Noble Lord who had just sat down. Sir R. PELL thought that some assurance should be held :out by the House to parties having Bills before it, that something would be done to mitigate the evil arising from delaying the passing of Railway Bills till next session. He concurred with the Right Honourable Gentleman, that the House ought to take the subject up. But he (Sir R. Peel) considered that a Committoe should be ap pointed, in order to examine into the subject, and present a a report before the House decided on any course. Before passing any resolution on the business under consideration, they ought to have the facts fully before them. (LEFT SPEAKING.) SIR JOHN RENNIE'S SECOND CON VERSAZIONE. The second of the series of conversazione given by Sir John Rennie, President of the Institetion of Civil En gineers, took place on Saturday evening, and was even more numerously and brilliantly attended than or. the pre vious Saturday. It only required the presence of Lady Rennie and her lady friends, as on the previous occasion, to have rendered this one of the most brilliant reunions of the season. In deference, however, to the establi,hed etiquette, his Royal Highness Prince Albert being expected, we were de prived of the presence of the amiable hostess. Several additions and changes in the arrangement of the m,)dels and works of art had been made. We observed particu larly the Ascot Cup ; a co i l of the Warwick Vase, in silver ; and a splendid ewer and salver, by Cellini, from the collection of Messrs. Mortimer and Hunt ; a spirited figure of a grey hound, by Mr. Thomas, whose group of St. George and the Dragon, we noticed last week. and which being placed in a better lighted position, we were enabled to inspect and admire ; portfolios of Scharf's interesting sketches in Lycia ; Scanlan's characteristic sketches of Cornish miners, &c. ; some very good sketches, made by Sir John Rennie, in Greece, in 1820; a miniature, by W. R. Ward, R. A., of the Duchess of Richmond ; a collection of effective lithotints of Cattermole's drawings ; a superb specimen of Walker's Electrotype. From among the models we must particularise the Ferraby Sluice, which forms the outlet of the Ancholme drainage, and a plan of the proposed works at Carrickfergus, where, by means of detached breakwaters, the run of the sea would be prevented, while, by a projecting mole upon arches, ac commodation would be afforded for the loading and unload- ing of vessels. Both these were by Sir John Rennie—a model showing the successful method of scupper nailing, adloted at Leith Pier, in 1826, at the suggestion of Captain Boswall, R.N.; Rowan's antifrietion axles ; a beautiful model of Stephenson's improved locomotive engine ; a series of specimens exhibiting the various stages of the manufacture of Selby's patent-welded iron tube ; a very extraordinary example of the power of machinery was displayed by Mr. John Hick (Belton), in some masses of wrought iron, varying from two inches to three inches in thickness, from the centre of each of which circular pieces of eight inch, s diameter had been punched cold, by means of the combined force of four hydraulic presses, exerting a pressure varying from 1,250 to 2,00 tons. Our limits will not permit the notice of the other models ; but we cannot close our notice without henourab'e mention of the roamer in which the supper arrangements were carried out by Stinson. The entertainment was elegantly designed, and the execution did ample justice to Sir John's well-known hospitality. 'I he rooms were exceedingly crowded, but among the dis tinguithed visitors present we particularly recognised the Duke of Richmond, the Marquis of Breadalbane, the Farts of Lonsdale, Bosse, Linc o l n , an d D a lh ous i e; Lords Lowther, Berreidale, Campbell, J ames St uar t, M P., Lyt telton, and Colchester; the Bishop of Norwich, Lord Chief Justice Tindal, General Sir James Cockburn, Bart., M.P., Mohun Lal, the Speaker of the House of Commons, Count Rosen, Hon. E. Byng, Major-General Pasley, Captain Sir W. Symonds, R.N. ; Captain Sir George Back, R.N. ; Sirs James Hamilton, Bart., John Burgoyne, Bart., John Kirkland, R. Westmacott, John Guest, Bart., M.P., Charles Forbes, Bart., Hon. Sir F. Cust, D. J. Norreys, Bart.. M.P., James Copley, Bart., W. B. Riddell, Bart., Charles Fellows, Henry Ellis, 11. T. De la Beebe, John Barrow, John Macneill, George Duckett, IL S c h om b urg h, F re d er i c k M a d . den, Alexander Johnstone, Mr. Hodgson, M.P., Mr. C. W. Martin, 11. P., Mr. Ellice, M.P., Dr. Bowring, M.P., Mr. Hutt, M.P., Mr. Gore, M.P., Mr. Botfield, M.P., Mr. Mac lean, M.P., Mr. 13arnehy, M.P., Mr. Johnstone, M.P., Mr. Estcourt, M.P., Mr. Peridarves, NI. P., Mr. Loch; M.P., Mr. Mackinnon ' M.P., Mr. Ewart, 11. P , Mr. Stuart, M.P. ; Colonels Dundas, Shaw, Colquhoun, S)kes, and Jack son ; Professors Iluckland, Von Buell, Lyon, Mayfair, Ansted, Christie ; Majors Askew, Clarke, and Amsinek ; Doctors Lawrence, Roupel, Mantel!, Roget, Paris, Mayo, and Gran ville ; Captains Gambier, Washington, R.N., Handeock, Tindal, Grover, W. O'Brien, R.N., Buller, Hosken, Reverend Mr. Stopford, Messrs. J. Simpson, Locke, T. K Brunel, J. Miller, B. Cubitt, Giles, Lowe, Barry, Murchison, Konig, Landseer, Bellin, F. Stone, Scanlan, Boxall, Errington, Burges, Grainger, Smee, T. Grissell, Sop with, Loaden, Goody, Planche, C. Stanfield, Bidder, Lough, Bidduiph, Farquhar, Tycho Wing, So!lv, Plowden, Basevi, Cotton, Wicksteed, G. Godwin, G. K'Beekett, Leech, J. Braithwaite, Murdo Young, Fairbairn, Bateman, Farey, Etty, Willemcut, Tooke, F. Walker, &c. &c. THE INSTITUTION OF CIVIL ENGINEERS, JUNE 3. Sir JOHN RENNIE, President, in the chair. The first paper read was " On the Corrosion of Metals," by Mr. R. Adie, Liverpool. The object of the communication was to give an experimental proof of the fact, of water, when saturated with common salt, preserving, to a great extent, the surfaces of oxidizable metals from corrosion, by the joint action of air and water; and also to show that water, or water containing a saline solution, does not act as a corroding agent without the aid of the oxygen of the atmosphere. These positions were demonstrated by the details of several series of very interesting experiments, which were purely of a chemical tendency, leaving to the engineers the application to practice of the results obtained. The details were also given of some experiments made to ascertain the quantity of oxygen dissolved by water under different circumstances; whence it was shown that brine, and some other saline solutions, contain much less dissolved oxygen than sea or ordinary water. The: discovery of this fact suggested the experiments on the application of brine as a preserver of it on. The object of the last set of experi ments was, to determine, by trial, the rates of corrosion of metals in fresh water, sea water, and saturated brine. The results demonstrated that sea water corrodes the quickest fresh water less rapidly, and brine very much slower than either. The circumstance was incidentally mentioned of the use of common salt for preserving ships' timbers, for which purposes the spaces between the ribs of some of the North American ships are frequently packed with rock-salt, and the effect has proved very advantageous to the duration of the timber, without affecting the metal fastenings, as would have been supposed. A paper by Mr. W. Gale (Glasgow) pointed out the ad vantage of the moveable jib crane for the purposes of build ing. It was stated to have been originally invented by James Watt, for the Bell Rock Light-house; but in a com munication from Mr. R Stevenson (Edinburgh), which was also read, with extracts from the history of that light house. the invention was claimed by Mr. Stevenson. It appeared that the crane was used very extensively, but that some defects existed in its construction, for which the author suggested remedies, which he had applied succ ess f u ll y , an d f or which he gave the necessary details of calculation and drawings, without which they would be with difficulty comprehended. The nu nthly ballot took place, when Messrs. Fraak Forster, T. L. Gooch, and W. Lewin, were elected as members ; and Messrs. W. P. Marshall, W. Lawford, G. Lawford, and W. B. Buddicom, as associates. The next meeting was announced to take place on Tuesday, June 10. IRELAND. (From the Derby liepolter, May 23.) The whole p,pulation of Ireland is about 8.000,000 Of these it is reckoned that there are 6,427,712 Roman Catholics 752,952 Episcopal Protestants 642,356 Presbyterians, and 121,808 voluntaries—including Bsp fists, Independents, Methodists, and Quakers. ESTABLISHED CHURCH, OR EPISCOPAL PROTESTANTS. 752,952 adherents, including; men, women, and chil dren-2 archbishops-10 bishops-300 dignitaries -1,355 benefices-2,348 parishes-1,534 churches, &c. ANNUAL REVENUE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT. s. d. Archbishoprics and Bishoprics ... 151,127 12 4 . Deans sold Chapters Glebe Lands Tithe composition Alinisters' Money .£807,533 12 4 Since the union in 1800 to 1835, Parliament has given 3,308,3691. to the Irish Establishment, besides advancing a loan of 324,6231., part of which has not been repaid. Of the 2,348 parishes 155 have no church, clergyman, or Protestant Episcopalian ; 496 parishes have under 20 Protestant Episcopalians ; and 895 parishes have under 50 Protestant Episcopalians, including men, women, and children. As so many parishes are without either a church or a clergyman, 87 unions have been formed. In Kilcooly, ten parishes are thrown together. In Bally makill, there are nine parishes, one of which is 27 miles from the church. In the union of Burnchurch, there are fourteen parishes ; three of them are at the opposite ex tremities of the county of Kilkenny. In the 1,385 benefices, there are 99 in which there are not 20 Protestant Episcopalians -124 benefices, with between 20 and 50 in each. The following table, of seven benefices, may give some idea of the state of things in different parts of Ireland : Resident Protestants. Clergymen. Church. Tithes. .... Modeligo (Union) 4 0 0 440 0 0 Seskeinane. Clenne Ellin Gilbertstown 8 0 0 250 0 0 Mahoonagh Killeedy . 12 0 0 484 12 0 0 2,889 11 0 In the Bishopric of Cloyne, there are eight parishes, in which the cost of each Protestant Episcopalian, adult and infant, is 281. per head, as below: Members of the Tithe. Established Church. Composition. 13 £4OO 400 498 500 600 784 809 869 Killatty Ballybea Templeracarigy Ballyvourney Ardagh Whitchurch Mogeesha Clonfriest. . 173 X 4,860 Of the somewhat more than 30 0 dignities and pre bends, the returns state that there are 75 in which there are no duties whatever to perform; 94 are me re sine cures except the duty of an occasional sermon in the ca thedrals. The Dean of Raphoe receives 1,491 L; the Precentor of Lismore, 448/ ; the Archdeacon of Meath, 7231., without aly duty to perform. In the eight parishes above mentioned in the Bishopric of Clod ne, the cost per head of the members of the Establishment, adults and infants, is 281. In the union of Paleroan, it is 671. 10s. per head ; and throughout the E-tu- Wished Church, it is 11. Is. sd. In Scotland it is 3s. 4d. PRESBYTERIANS. 642,356 adherents, men, women, and children -80 000 attendants on pubhc Worship -452 pl aces o f worship—between 400 and 500 ministers—nearly 40,0001. per annum granted by Parl iament under the name of Regium Donlan. About forty of the Presbyterian mi n i sters are sa i d to have departed from the faith of thei r f ore f at h ers, an d the standards of their pri mitiv e communion, a n d h ave mostly become Socinians ; y e t they share amongst them ft ab ,re o u tb t hc 3 eq , O up o er o sot / ru . s offgtandteei promulgation /tn?he.gobe d Regium tiuiD p num, a n d a b out 2,000 1 . of y, or d y i ng pen i tence, doctrines alike opposed to th e articles and standards of the national statute. Such has been the natural downward tendency of the Regium Donum. The Presbyterian mini sters in Ireland are general pensioners on the Governm en t , for, perhaps, more than amoiet oftheirstipends; on an av erage eac h rece i ves from the national ,/.per ann um . Th e e ff ect of the Regium Donum on political and religious society i n with the abettors o f mis government d is very apparent. It has pr oduc ed in the Presbyt er i ans an insatiable thirst — giv e, g iv e , is still their cry f or the n ir influenc e gle b as b een strongest, additional sums from the public revenue. Their havesym poatvlelirensment; w evidently here the most illiberal and narrow-minded political repre sentatives have been returned to Parliament. The voice of their ministers has not often been heard when cruel, or sanguinary tithe affrays, have occurred ; dependence on State patronage has produced set v ili ty to the Mi nister nister of the day, and intolerance toward all who differ from their opinions. VOLUNTARIES. ofadherents, them rnemennu'unber of their Of late years are pollu t t h ed eir by Women, and children-403 ul t i h i e :is e t o c n rs tam un certain placesl 2 , 8 0; 0 f 3 b wuntrnone _ o continued ng snationallow butpr n th a n t y ing ha t v o n uc b h enn of m t a t augmenta tion to their numbers. ROMAN CATHOLICS, 6,427,712 adherents, me n, wo men, and children-8,1 05 ip ie —t o this hr cc°oimiPges, and some thousands community has been sustained o pl f ac p e r s ie o st f worship—three s.nsiltlrt on the voluntary system, except the annual Parliamen tary grant to the College of Maynooth, an d th e benefit they have had, in common with other s , i n th e g rants for general education. In future the endowment to May nooth is to be permanent, and augmented ; other col leges are to be formed and support e d by the State ; which institutions will be wholly, or nearly so, under the influence of the Roman Catholics ; and it seems to be intended that in future their places of worship shall be built and maintained at the public expense, and that their priests shall receive regular stipends from the State RAILWAY BILLS IN THE HOUSE OF LORDS.—Three Railway Bills only have been brought up from the House of Commons to the House of Lords, viz., the Chester and Holy_ head, the Leeds and Dewsbury, and the Huddersfield and Sheffield Junction. They have been read a first time, and referred to the Standing Orders Committee, which met again to-day. It sits twice a week, on Tuesday and Friday. The Standing Orders Committee will hear evidence to investigate whether the standing orders of the House have or have not been complied with. If they come to the former decision, then the Bills will be read a second time, and should there be any opposition to them, petitions signifying such is the case will be presented to the House of Lords. The next step required is for the Bills and petitions, if any, to be referred to the General Committee ap pointed for the session, and that Committee will appoint a Select Committee of five Peers, before which Committee the evidence will be submitted. When that Is gone through, a report w ill be made to the House, favourable or unfavourable, as the case may be. Should the standing orders prove net to have been complied with, then a report will be made to the House stating that fact, and directions will be given by the House as to the future proceedings. THEATRE ROYAL, DUBLIN.—Two welcome fa vourites made their re-appearance in our theatre on Saturday and last evenings. Madame Celeste and Mr. Webster have come back for a short engagement among us, and en last evening displayed the same excellence in their respective walks of art as had pre viously won for them such hearty applause in our theatre. The entertainments of last night consisted of The Mysterious Stranger, in which Madame Celeste had various opportunities for the exercise of her very versatile powers. The piece is one of those melo dramas, presenting scenes of Parisian life in various classes of so ciety, all the changes of which turn out to be no more than a dream. In The Pretty Girls of Stilberg, a little trifle, already favourably known to the pubic, Celeste and Webster were equal to their former excellence; nothing could be better than the effect produced by the latter where he assumes the air and dress of Na poleon. The resemblance was as startling as if one of his portraits had walked from its frame. The smut ements of the evening were terminated by another little French piece, entitled Marie Ducange, in which these accomplished actors exhibited their usual and well known skill and graceful powers.—Freeman's Journal. MSS KELLY'S THEATRE.—This elegant little theatre was opened last evening for the purpose of introducing to the public two young ladies, pupils in Miss Kelly's dramatic school. The play chosen was the Hunchback, in which Miss Way, one of the fair students, took the arduous part of Julia. Her performance evinced considerable talent, and an accurate conception of the cha racter ; but there was a want of physical power, which leads us to apprehend that it will be some time before she finds herself at home in a larger house. Here fair coadjutor, Miss Hinton, who took the coquettish role of Helen. seemed quite at home in the character. She rallied Julia with great spirit, and taught Medus to make love with an archness and grace which elicited loud and general applause. Both ladies are preposessing in appearance. His Royal Highness Prince Albert has fixed Sa turday, the 28th inst., at three o'clock In the afternoon, for laying the foundation-stone of the new hospital for Marylebone and Pad dington. MORTALITY IN THE METROPOLIS.—There has been a considerable increase in the deaths during the last week, the total number being 905, exceeding that of the pre ceding week by 95. The increase is chiefly from diseases of the lungs and other organs of respiration. The number of violent deaths was 29, of which 7 were suicides, and 4 from burns and scalds. Sixteen died of small-pox, at the following ages :—Four under 1 year ; seven 1-3 ; three 3-5 ; one 5 ; and one 17 years. LITERATURE. MACGREGOR'S COMMERCIAL STATIS- TICS. 3 Vols. THIRD NOTICE. In his section upon " Belgium," our author de scribes the physical aspect and natural resources of the country as being exceedingly varied and fertile ; both Flanders and Antwerp are flat, with a soil generally composed of sea-sand and alluvious, ex cept in the immediate frontier adjoining Brabant. The coast is low, with ridges of downs, pastures, and a highly cultivated country inland (yielding in per fection all the crops common in England and the North of France) ;—intersected by the Scheldt and various canals which traverse the provinces. The district features of these may be thus described : Brabant and Hainault, highly cultivated, ex hibiting corn-fields, fruit-trees, pastures, and woods. Liege and Namur have the same aspect, but more undulated ; and near the Sambre, Meuse, and the Prussian frontiers, hilly and somewhat moun tainous. For a small kingdom, Belgium possesses abundant resources. In the forests, plenty of oak and other ship ti m b er ; b e l ow th e soil, mines of iron; seams of coal, rich ores of copper and lead, and great store of alum, marble, limestone, potter's clay, &c. The Meuse and the Scheldt, with their numerous tributaries, improved and carefully connected by canals, form an inland navigation of which the branches extend to every corner of the kingdom. Railroads, admirably constructed and extending from Ostend to Liege, open a cheap and speedy inter course between Ostend, Bruges, Ghent, Antwerp, Malines, Brussels, and numerous intermediate towns. The cloth, cotton, linen, and hardware manufactures of Belgium have very much extended themselves since 1814. The several provinces of Belgium are South Brabant, East and West Flanders, Ilainault, Antwerp, Namur, Liege, Limboarg, and Luxem beurg, covering an area of 12,797 square miles, and peopled by 4,022,677 souls. The chief towns are Brussels, Ghent, Bruges, Mons, Antwerp, Namur, and Liege, with populations, respectively, of 112,500, 95,000, 45,500, 20,500, 77,000, 21,000, and 65,300. Though Antwerp and (Mend are, properly speaking, the only seaports of Belgium, yet vessels of from 200 to 300 tons can come by sea from Ostend to Bruges, and Nieuport will admit small vessels which may communicate with the interior by the canals. These, with the rivers of Belgium, extend many of the ad van t ages o f seaports to the inland towns, as Ghent, Bruges, Brus sels, Liege, and most of the towns and seats of in dustry in the kingdom. Vessels sail from Louvain, which is in the very centre of Belgium, with their cargoes direct for England. The port of Antwerp, with its spacious dock„basin, and quays, and its safe an chorage, is one of the best in Europe, but approached from the sea by a tedious navigation. It has sufficient depth for the largest vessels, and every convenience for ship-building. In 1838, the total value of all imports into Belgium was no less than 9,522,100/. sterling (738,052,659 f.) Of exports from Belgium, 7,743,1801. (or 193,579,520 francs). The annual average navigation of Belgium for the eight years, 1831 to 1838 inclusive, was as follows : Sailed, Belgian vessels, 470; tonnage, 57,694. Fo reign vessels, 1,411 ; tonnage, 173,057. Total, 1,881 vessels, of total tonnage, 230,752. The annul! ave rage arrivals in same year were, Belgian vessels, 475 ; tonnage, 59,207. Foreign, 1,339; tonnage, 172,707. Total, 1,874 vessels; of total tonnage, 231,914. The chief articles of import were—coffee, grain, and seeds, sugar (raw), woven goods, cotton, metals, lea ther, wool, tobacco, lead, rice, potass, dye stuffs, wines and spirits, fruits, drugs, oil, spices, salt, and tea. The chief exports, flax, woven goods, namely, cotton, dyed and plain ; linens, table and other kinds; woollen cloths, refined sugar; metals (nails, zinc, and other kinds) ; glass (window and glass wares) ; bark for tanners' use ; arms ; green and seed tobacco ; dye stuffs ; wool ; leather, and seed oil. Out of the annual num ber of 45 vessels which sailed from Louvain for all parts, 18 measuring 1,526 tons departed for England. The value of those exports amounted to 226,500 francs. Total amount to all other parts only 11,700 francs. The French flag does not appear to have been at all engaged in this (Louvain) branch of the Belgian trade. The total estimated income of Bel• gium for 1841 was 3,381,0001. sterling. POST-OFFICE ESPIONAGE. PROTESTS. The following protests have been entered on the journals of the House of Lords by Lords Clanricarde and Radnor, after the vote of Friday night on the Post-office Amend ment Bill : " 1. Because we think that the law, which in a matter directly sifacting the rights, interests, and comfort of every class •f the community, ought to be perfectly clear and distinct, is in the matter to which this Bill applies obscure and doubtful, affording neither a guarantee to the subject against inquisitorial tyranny and the arbitrary caprice of a Minister, or certain protection to a ser vant of the Crown who may be led by unsound precedents to ex ceed his lawful authority. "2. Because it does not appear from either of the reports of the Secret Committees of this and the other House of Parliament, or from any other authentic source of information, neither has it been alleged in debate, that any danger to the State from foreign foes or from domestic treason has ever been averted or discovered by the stoppage or opening of letters in the Post-office ; and we therefore gather from the experience of nearly two centuries, that no benefit arises from a practice which is so unconstitutional, odious, and de moralising, that nothing but the highest interests of the State, in volving the peace of the country or the security of the Sovereign, could justify or palliate its continuance without some such limit and restraint as this Bill is calculated to impose. " 3. Because even if we could believe that the opening of letters in the Post-office may have been at any past time useful to the Government and beneficial to the community at large, we should nevertheless be convinced that it cannot in future be attended by advantages at all eommensurate with the evil of maintaining a sys tem disgraceful to our Government, repugnant to the feelings of the British people, and contrary to every principle of popular or individual liberty. " SOMERHILL." Protest against the negativing the second reading of the Post-office Bill on Friday last : " 1. Because it is doubtful whether by law any power exists of detaining and opening letters passing through the Post-office. " 2. Because this power, as now exercised by the Secretary of State in England, and in Ireland by the Lord-Lieutenant, is ab • horrent from the feelings of the people, and is immoral in itself, being in violation of confidence, and requiring for its useful exercise secresy, which in practice has been obtained by the forging of seals and the falsification of stamps. " 3. Because being exercised secretly, It cannot be questioned, and the person who exercises it, not being known, cannot be pro ceeded against or made responsible. " 4. Because, if necessary, as is alleged, for the safety of the realm, or for the purposes of police, it ought to be clearly re cognised by law, regulated, and well-defined; and the provisions of this Bill were intended for that purpose. "5. Because the clauses and provisions against which in the debate strong objections were urged, might have been altered in the Committee if the Bill had been allowed to proceed, and were not legitimate grounds for objecting to the principle or refusing the second reading. " RADNOR. " DENMAN." The following protest has also been made against the negativing the second reading of the Post-office Amendment Act on Friday last.:7 Because I think the law with respect to the detaining and opening letters at the Post-office extremely doubtful ; and that in a matter of so much delicacy and importance, it ought to be pecu liarly clear and well-defined ; and because if the law really is what it was contended in the debate to be, I think it ought to undergo immediate amendment. "2. Because, despairing at present of the entire abolition of the practice, I highly approve of the principle of the Bill which was meant to restrain it to cases in which it might possibly do some good, and to limit its operation within reasonable bounds. " 3. Because, if the clauses of the Bill were liable to the objee. tions urged in the dewy, these clauses might have been corrected, and the objections cbviated in the Committee. "4. Because two most desirable objects wculd have been obtained by this Bill— " Ist—The suppression of the immoral and fraudulent picot cos naturally arising out of the power itself; and " 2dly—The limiting the exercise of the power claimed to mat. ters of internal government, and the preventinelf that tultr ference with the concerns of foreigners, retying on English hospi tality, which I deem derogatory to the character of the country, and which, as late events have proved, is likely to be prompted false information, and may, I apprehend, endanger the general peace. " DENMAN. " RADNOR. " CA MPBELL " KINNAIRD and ROSSIE." IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Joie 4. THE BISHOP OF CASHEL'S CHARGE. The Bishop of CASH EL wished to say a few words respecting the observations made last night in their Lordships' House by a Noble Marquis (the Marquis of Normanby) upon a charge which he had delivered at Lismore. He had thought at the time that what he was represented to have said could form no part of his charge, and now he was able to give it a most positive contradiction. He had succeeded in getting two copies (A' that charge in London instead of, as he feared, being obliged to send to Ireland for them. One lie had placed in the hands of the Noble Duke behind him and the other he begged to lay on the table of the House. He could say that the psssage which had been read was not only not a perversion of his charge, but that it was a complete and entire fabrication. As he intended to re-publish that charge, Ile should wish to have a copy of what was said to be his charge, in order to give it with the charge itself, and his own defence. He hoped the Noble Marquis would have no objection to state on what authority he had made the accusation ; for In these stormy times, when no man's character was safe, it was some protection to know from what quarter he was assailed. The Marquis of NORMANBY regretted that he had rot received, according to the Right Reverend Prelate's pro mise, an authent►cated copy of the charge. But he had no objection to state that the report, from sc hich he last night read an extract, was furnished to him by Dr. Fogarty, the vicar-general and parish priest of Lismore—a man of the highest character in the Roman Catholic priesthood. He believed there was no person who knew Dr. Fogarty but would speak in the highest terms of his moral character. He thought that it was due to the Right Reverend Prelate to give him the earliest opportunity of contradicting that letter, and when he perused it he would see that Dr. Fogarty had endeavoured to procure a copy of the charge but was unable to do so. It had been generally reported that the Right Reverend Prelate had given utterance to such pernicious doctrines as exclusive intercourse, and he considered it much to be regretted, and was a great loss that the Right Reverend Prelate had not given an extensive circulation to the charge which he had really de livered, and which he now laid on the table of the House. He felt it unnecessary to say more. He was sure their Lordships would acquit him of any intention to affix any unjust stigma upon the character of the Righ. Rev. Prelate. He would ask him, however, was the charge which he delivered an extem pore charge ? The Bishop of CASH EL—lt was not an extempore charge; it was a written charge, and the copy on their Lordships' table was printed from that nritten charge. The Marquis c,f N 0 lIMAN BY—The reason why he asked the question was, that he might set the matter for ever at rest. When he had asked the Right Rev. Prelate last evening whe ther the charge he di livered was the same as the printed one published afterwards, lie had said that it was so as nearly as possible. The Duke of Vs ELLINGTON observed that the Right Rev. Prelate having done him the honour of putting the charge into his hands a few hours ago, he considered it his duty to affirm that it did not. contain one word on the point al luded to by the Noble Marquis opposite. It was a regular ecclesiastical charge, sue h as a person in the situation of the Right Reverend Prelate ought to have delivered. 'I here was not one word of unkindness, nor one word calculated to wound the feelings of any man, of any belief whatever. No one could read it without satisfaction, nor without entertaining respect for the person who composed it. For himself, he could only say that he had derived great and sincere pleasure from its perusal. Lord CAMPBELL, notwithstanding the denial of the Rev. Prelate, the qualification of the Noble Marquis, and the testi mony of the Noble Duke, must say, that on casting his eye over the document in dispute, he could not wonder at the mistake. 'I he Right Rev. Prelate had adopted the language of another eminent divine, who had styled Popery as the maser-piece of Satan. With such a strong and unequivocal expression he did not wonder that the charge had met with the interpretation so naturally put upon it, yet so loudly complained of. The Bishop of CASHEL—I said that some one had so said. —( Hear, hear. ) Whatever I said was against Tractariaiiism of the present day. SMALL DEBTS' BILL. The Earl of /1 ARDWICKE presented a petition in favour of the Bill for the better security of small debts. M A YN 0 T H. Earl RODEN presented petitions from various parts of Wales against the grant to Maynooth. Lord CH A RLEVILLE presented petitions from Helstone, in Cornwall, against the grant. Lord DENMAN presented a petition to the same effect. Lord BROUGHAM presented a similar petition. ADJOURNED DEBATE. The Earl of CLANCARTY, in resuming the adjourned debate, raid he thought it was a sufficient apology for his hay ing moved the adjournment, that only two in dividuals were suffered on the preceding evening to address the House in support of the amendment moved by his Noble Friend ; but, independently of this fact, not one single Irish Member had yet had an opportunity of ad dressing their Lordships. He thought the admissions made by the Noble Lord who closed the debate last night, on the subject of the Roman Catholic Church, were strictly in favour of the amendment, and the Noble Lord was acting rather incensistintly in opposing it. It would be a consideration for her Majesty's Ministers how far they intended to carry out the principle of the proposed Hear.) The Noble Earl had asked if there were 151 benefices without a single Protestant in them. It appeared there were 10 with no Protestants in them, and 42 with 10 or less. In 24 there was no provision for them at all. He spoke of the saving truths of the Roman Catholic Church, and he spoke of its approximation to the Presbyterian Church. He (Lord Clancarty) could not agree with the Noble Earl in the explanation he had given of the proposed Bill. He thought the Scottish Church was a pure church, and were he in Scot land, he would willinglingly go and worship with the pro fessors of the Presbyterian faith ; but if, on the contrary, he were in a Roman Catholic country, he should feel that he could not conscientiously bow the knee before an image, or address himself in prayer to the Virgin.—( Hear. ) With the Noble Earl who followed him on yesterday's debate, he would most cordially agree with his sound and Protestant feeling. In every sentiment that had fallen from him, with the exception of his observations on the Act of 1829, he would cheerfully coincide. He saw nothing in the emancipa tion of the Roman Catholics that could argue danger to the Protestant Church. It had not been argued that the Roman Catholics in Parliament supported any measure in opposition to the interest of the Established Church. They took oaths to bind them in respect to the interest of the Church, and they observed them with the strictest regard. He could sa \ that many of his tried and most consistent friends in Ireland were Roman Catholics, and he always found them most desirous of acting for the general good of the country. He mixed with them at meetings of the boards of guardians and elsewhere, and he invariably found them anxious to do everything in their power to forward the interests of Ireland. He would say a few words in reference to what fell from the Noble Marquis on the other side of the House, who spoke last night. That. Noble Marquis had brought a charge against a Right Hon. Prelate; but it was a great relief to him (Lord Clancarty) that the reply of that Right Rev. Prelate had been most satisfac tory. the Noble Marquis had withdrawn his charge, but he (Lord Clancarty) would have been better satisfied if he had done it in a more unreserved manner, and if he had given the Right Rev. Prelate notice of the charge he intended to bring forward. There was a great distinction to be drawn be tween the course which the Noble Duke had adopted towards the Right Rev. Prelate, and the course taken by the Noble , and Learned Lord opposite, in reading the garbled extracts which he had done. Though he could not look upon the Go vernment of the Noble Marquis with so much respect as he de sired to show, yet he felt deeply obliged to him for his admi rable Church appointments, as was evident in the appointment of 1)r. Ponsonby. He would now allude to what had fallen from the Most Rev. Prelate the Archbishop of Dublin. He said that there appeared to be no distinction between favour and endowment, and persecution and intole rance. By the solemn promise which he had given he had engaged to drive away all error, and sooner than break his faith with this promise, he would resign his sacred profession and retire to a humble sphere. The real question was, whe ther the Roman Catholic was to be encouraged and made a friend of, or whether he was to be rega r d e d as an enemy ? There could be no denial of the claims of the Roman Catholic people of Ireland to the consideration of her Majesty's Go vernment. But he did not think that the Government was under any obligation to uphold what the Noble Lord opposite (Lord Beaumont) called the" immutability" of Roman Catholic doctrine. His Noble Friend, he thought, had made a sufficier.t case to justify an inquiry, or examination into the tenets taught at Maynooth, and what had fallen from a Noble Earl (Lord Hardwicke) with reference to Dr. Eaton only showed the necessity for the amendment of his Noble Friend receiving the utmost consideration of the House. He certainly could not possibly agree to this measure, because it was in direct opposition to the oath he had made on first taking his seat amongst their Lord ships. He had sworn to sanction no measure which should give power to any foreign Prince, and vet he was now called upon to sanction an institution under the authority of the head of the Roman Catholic Church. There was a very strong feeling abroad on this question, for it was supposed out of doors that the Members of that House were bound by something more than their oaths. He, for one, would say he always held that the Members of the Legislature were bound by cer tain principles of legislation by which they were bound not to recognise the papal authority in any way in this realm. He had no doubt that their Lordships attached paramount im portance to their oath of allegiance, and it was because he knew that fact he had deemed it his duty to call their attention to this particular point. He would not trespass much further on their Lordships' attention, but he did hope that before their Lordships should make any hasty legislation on this important subject, they would consider well the points to which be had called the attention of their Lordships. Ile would never con sent to establish such a college for the education of tornan Catholics, as it would be interfering with her Majesty ' s right of supremacy over the ecclesiastical be h s i e g m hi l y na u r n ie c s an w st i i t t l a n t n ian t a h l e kingdom, and, in that respect, would fact that supportth a t th the religionf successive m G r a e y a n t a s o r b Governments. It was said that Mr. Pitt had founded May nooth, and that Mr. Percival had subsequently supported it. For his own part he could not justify an act that was in itself un justifiable, and in his opinion no act could be justified otherwise than on its own intrinsic merits. It was an Act for the endow ment of a college for the education of Roman Catholics, and at the time it was considered objectionable that Roman Ca tholics should be obliged to resort to the Continent for their education, when they might, by an Act of Parliament, obtain that advantage nearer home, and in that respect it was con sidered a fair enactment ; and in 1795, and the three follow ing years, money was awarded for the purpose of establishing scollege, but it was kept under the power and control of the State. The Noble E ar l h a d referred to the Charitable a,offolarstitse(s.osiioifnc,rraendd uhpeonhai‘dia7 n m o e o t ha foundationcorliora fo t corporate h ß i e s q o u b e j s e t ct A io e n t character for enjoying the endowments bestowed upon it, and on that principle was recognised the Roman Catholic church in Ireland, as subject only to the Pope's domination and con trol ; but that Act did not so positively acknowledge the Ro man Catholic church as the present proposed Act did. He would put it to the Noble Lord Aliether the present measure was not calculated to encourage the Roman Catholic religion? He would contend that no expediency could justify this mea sure for religious education in Ireland. If it was intended that such an Act should pass, let the oath of supremacy be at once abolished, and then might the policy now proposed by her Majesty's Ministers be proceeded with. He felt it his duty to give his support to the motion of the Noble Earl in the inquiries he had suggested should be made, and it would become Noble Lords to consider well before they gave their assent to the Bill before them. The principles of the Bill were to teach doctrines that were damnable to their recipients, and highly objectionable to the co antry, and which were opposed to the religion that the Sovereign of the State was bound to protec and support, and, further, the prerogative of royalty would be annulled by the superintendatice and control, which of right belonged to it, Ling surrendered into the hands of Catholic priests, and finally to a foreign power. He did not believe that the present Bill would establish or promote any improvement in the socig.l condition of the country f or w hi c h i t was i ntende d , and the Olicy that instigated such a measure was, in his opi nien, indefensible and ineffably bad. He would not voter into any discussion on the heavy charges that had been brought against the College of Maynooth. Several Noble Lords, during last night's debate, had borne testimony to the erroneous nature of the doctrines disseminated there, and the Noble and Learned Lord who had concluded the debate had confirmed the whole ease by his lucid and incontrovertible arguments. During a long series of years no effort had been made to obtain an in creased support for the institution at itlaynooth. Nothing had been said during that interval, and the inference to be (hewn from the silence would be that it was not necessary to squander so large a sum - of the public money in propagating Catholicism, as was contemplated by the present proposed measure. Commissioners had been appointed to investigate generally into the condition of education in Ireland, and they II id reported very vo`uminously as to the present state of the educational regimen at Maynooth. Evidence had been brought before the House, but it would consume a vast deal of time to eopsider singly the papers in which that evidence was eon taioed. It might, perhaps, be an interesting inquiry to make, but in the absence of that evidence he would briefly refer to the statements of a late celebrated Lord Chancellor, who, in his eifieiel capacity as one of the visitors of Maynooth, had said 'hat the young men there were brought up in a condition more -en tie and more degrading than at any college of the Jesuits ; said that it was impossible n it to notice the countenances of these young men, whose eyi s were continually cast down to the ,round, and whose whole demeanor showed they were discip lined to eubmit to the power of despo's. Such was the test isnony of a most respectable witness as to t he condition of things at 318. t.. I o r,h , hut perhaps the principal question to be r otisidered was, is, het her the proposed measure would be generally beneficial to th e interests of Ireland. All that had been heard and pub. shed of the conspiracies, murders, and outreges of every de scription in Ireland had been the result of misgovernment. The true character of the Irish people was excellent. These were none who were naturally more attached to the sovereign authority or more grateful for benefits receives!. And, on the contrary, there were no people who possessed so keen a sense of iiijust ice and oppression, and, shove all, there existed no people ho had a more profound contempt for inconsistency, whether it was of a political tendency or of a religious nature. Ireland had been for too long a pert. d subjected to be governed by the miserable resort of expedieney—(Hear, hear)—and a wretched expedient was now contemplated in the proposed endowment, by iiiitkitig a weak concession to the uriests, in order to gain their support in conciliating Ireland. The only true system, which was the Scriptural education scheme, had been thrown aside es ineffectual and was lost, and the domination of the priests, which had been tacitly allowed by the late Government, was openly encouraged by the present Administration.—( Hear.) '1 he Bequests Bill had not produced a contrary spirit in the country. They were still true to their Spiritual Lord, the Pope, to whom they had sworn to be faithful ; and nothing would. induce them to sell their support of that principle on behalf of any other authority. This feeling was borne out by the whole history of Ireland, arid it was a feeling which the Government could not but respect. No doubt there was a great difference in the state of Ireland now, compared with e tat it was before Sir Robert Peel took office, and for what he had done he considered him entitled to the confidence of the country. If, however, he forced the establishment of this institutien of Maynooth on the country, it would scatter that not fitieriee to the winds. Before that Right Hon. Baronet took effiee, Ireland was agitated in a serious manner, but on his accession to office, a state of comparative tranquillity was induced, arising, for the time, from the high constitutional feel ings which were aroused in the country by that event. But th.t state of tranquillity did not last long. Under the guidance el 31:e able repeal agitator of that country, the people were brought into a state of unexampled excitement for the repeal of the union. While this was going forward, the Government Witt lon king on with mute astonishment, witnessing the whole peiedatien of Ireland brought together to monster meetings, in tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands. The excitement showed the people of that country ready to follow one man elite-eves he chose to lead them, and then only restrained fit in ails of bloodshed, and actual rebellion, by that man, who exercised over them such unbounded control. At length the country was filled with troops, and the meeting at Cloni arf was put down; then it was to be said to the repeal It ealers was due the credit that no collision between the sol diers and the people did take place. In his (Lord Clancarty's) opinion if at first a vigorous effort hail been made by the Go vern's:eta to put down these proceedings it would have been successful, but ithe attempt was made too late. The people hail become organised, they had learned to despise the Govern ment, and had active and intelligent leaders to guide them. Then followed the prosecution of the leaders, and that course was a failure—it did not serve the purpose of a vindication of the law of England.—( Hear.) Instead of this, it weakened respect for the law, and caused the people of that country to fete all respect for the judges of Ireland, The Duke of WELLINGTON-31y Lords, in debating this subject, I beg leave to submit that the question is a Bill for the establishment of a college at Maynooth. I do not know that the monster meetings, or the conduct of the Government in re • gard to those meetings, bears any relation to the question. I submit that the Noble Lord should attend to the question, and not refer to the Governme n t res p ec ti ng th a t w hi c h might be a proper subject of discussion at another time; but is not at pre sent. The suhject now is Maynooth._( Hear.) Lord CLANCA RTY said he did not consider he was leaving the question by referring to the monster meetings, and could not bow to the opinion of the Noble Duke. He referred to the monster meetings, to show that if no respect had been shown to the law of England, great submission at least had been shown to another authority—that that deference which was not tendered to the Crown, was not withheld from the leaders of the Roman Catholic popula tion. Trough the authority of the Government was so weak in Ireland, the power of the Pope was well known. Their Lordships would recollect that what he referred to was the submission of the people of Ireland to the Pope's rescript, at a time when the law failed to work out a similar submission. After the receipt of that document, a consultation of the bishoas of Ireland was held in Dublin, and the result was an agreement to the principle of this endowment to Maynooth. A strong feeling had been expressed by the Protestants of Ire land that the present Government was unable to govern that country, and he had stated these matters in order that their Lordships might understand the true bearings of the question. Two years ago, when a measure was prop ose d t o e d ucate t h e poor factory hildren in the principles of the Church of England, a feeling was raised against it, and it was aban doned ; but now, while the voice of Protestant England anti Protestant Scotland was unanimously raised against this en dowment, it was altogether disregarded.—( Hear, hear.) He admitted that healing measures—measures of improvement-- were necessary for Ireland, but they should be such as would tend to social improvement. But of all the measures origi nated within the walls of the English Parliament, that now befoie their Lordships to endow the College of Maynooth, and to recognise the Papal authority, was the last that should have been expected from an English Parliament, a Protestant Go vernment, and a British Sovereign.—( Hear, hear. ) The Duke of CLEVELAND said he was anxious to occupy a shert time in the discussion, not so much to occupy their time in the consideration of the measure before them, as to vindicate his own consistency, inasmuch as he differed on this question with many of those with whom he usually acted. In suppating this Bill, which he conceived it was his duty to do, he was only pursuing that policy he had taken as his guide ever since his entrance into public life. The debate had hitherto been taken on religious grounds. Now he under stood from the Noble Duke who introduced the measure, that it was more of a political than a religious subject. In that view he (the Duke of Cleveland) wished to consider it. He supported the measure for the relief of the Roman Catholics in 18:!3, when it was introduced, and supported it up to its being finally carried in 18a9. He had been a regular sup porter of that principle front the time he entered the House of Commons in 1812, until it was brought to a happy termination under the auspices of the Noble Duke (the Duke of Welling. ton) and Mr. Secretary Peel. For 17 years he acted with the Whig party, and supported every measure brought forward by them, with the exception of that of Parliamentary Reform., ;shich he had always opposed. Since then, be had supported the Conservative party. His motto was now, as it had always been, " measures not men. " He could not sec that any new principle was involved in this additional grant. It was true that the arguments which had been adduced laid great stress on this being an annual grant. But if they were to take the circumstances under which the grant was made, the number of years which it had been allowed, be would ask them whether they could suppose that it wag ev er likely to be withdrawn ? Could they suppose that. t 4 .;csy could ever retrace their steps ? Whatever might be t they m o i w gh , t advance, ,asanut b ter u i t m t i h m e s y could sibil ev n er e r d e i t d ro n g o ra t t!e; think,to therefore,retrograde n that there was anything wrong in giving his consent to this grant, or any real distinction between a grant which was sure to be made annually and one which rendered that grant perms- cent. With respect to ulterior measures he would not look at :hem at the present moment. There were persons who took a much more comprehensive view of the question than he did, and who conceived that this was only a prelude to other mea sures. Ile knew not that such would be the case, but he felt that he could only look at the measure before their Lordships as a measure isolated—as one without any consequence. It was in that way that he must consider it. He could not take it in connexion with any measure in the back ground. If it were so connected, and if were so put forward as a feeler to ascer tain the state of public opinion, and with a view to introduce measures of an ulterior consequence, though of a similar kind, it was a most complete failure. if they at all doubted that, let them look to the petitions which daily crowded their table. 'rl:ose petitions were countless, and emanated not from any dis tant or obscure corner of the country, but they had poured in by thousands from every district, and from every town, from Beachy Head to John o' Groats. They might disregard public opinion now, as in some instances it had been disregarded, but they might carry the principle too far, they might push it to an extent which was not quite safe, and, in this instance, it had been expressed with too much loudness and fervour not to be heard. In the advocacy of this measure, however, he had heard some sentiments expressed which he knew not how to comprehend. When he first heard those opinions stated he knew not rightly how to believe his senses. They had been expressed by a Noble Lord a member of the Government, and who held a position in her Majesty's household. He knew not whether that Noble Lord (the Earl of Hardwicke) had held any conference with the chief officers of the Government, but it did seem strange that that Noble Lotel had stated that t s h h e oul r d eso a u o t t ees com o e f from the the i,ro consolidated testant fwoh,erhrreheh f is un i d n , if the Roman Catholic Church was to be endowed the su fieasffi l ehhd l teco e aruul ttd(,ayatsnhy Majesty's es e bvt heuo never live looked eNoki household, contemplation, ;es t sepnehl seaor C tisi dt l om e s. at butnd ) was knew not that b el t i t t t low f m ro e m nt Ir uwh e sol; : sh,om a et ie n nabtd d help . ireher project tr wei Conservative, extraordinary d b i neaeriywathphopa appointed na o ts n e da e if f no i t t he to a Lord of the Bedchamber by the Government, and who might be supposed to know what the intentions of the Government ere, should have held such opinions. There might have been a change in the views of the Cabinet, and of the policy which they intended to pursue, but when he recollected the speeches of the Noble Lord, formerly the Secretary for Ireland, and who eas now Secretary for the Colonies (Lord Stanley), as is ell as these of Sir Robert Pet I and others, to which lie had listened with so much delight in the House of Commons, he was led to believe that they would speak in the same way in which they intended to vote. Had the Noble Lord forgotten that it was for this very reason that Sir Robert Peel had Te lsigt ed in 1835, and that for a similar reason Lord Stanley had left Lord Grey's Government? He had thought it his duty thus to express his sentiments, and he had done so with con side:able anxiety, anti repeated he saw nothing in this Bill to winch he could not completely assent. He should therefore vote fur it, though he was aware that in so doing he should be opposing the opinions of a great nortien of the . peeple of this country. Another course remained for him. He need not vote at all, but tbat was a course which he had never pursued in any debate, and it was one of the shabbiest expedients that could possibly be a( op l. c!s: , than publishing to the world th a t man was not compe This wa s a tent to form an opinion at all upon th e a ted. It was nothing subject. measure s which in some degree intimated the T po licy which they intended to pursue towards Ireland. They had many grievances to be remedied, and these remedies could only be ob " t'lfled through the means of conciliation or by the p ower o f iii sword. Whatever might Le attempted, the sword of the state t ultimately prevail in any contest which might arise, however dreadful that contest might be. He was, therefore : , glad that a policy of conciliation was affected towards Ireland ;