The Sun. — London, England, 1844-06-21 00:00:00

_--. • -- IM PEticAL 1 1 ARLIAMEN T. Th, 1, 1°( -LSE OF COMMONS. J u he tb l "l'EA.R.mc took th e Chai r a t Y our o ' c l o ck. Itil 4 - 4 . O'CONNELL presented 49 petitions from ad in favour of a repeal of the union. ote,titions in favour CHAPELS BILL. <- _ against this Bill were presented by Lord k x ! I YII, from Yorkshire • Mr. Shaw, from Middle hOm 1111,, Fox Maule, from .Scotland, Mr. Evans, l Wo m "ey,rbY ; Lord Ingestre, Wolverhampton ; Co zreeon ; Mr. Plumptre, Manchester ; . Mr. lifheele.gate, Coventry ; and Mr. Biddies. favor' lr O'CONNELL presented a petition in t i l of the r ' n s WARD presented a petition . from ..Sheffield llt the Savings' Banks Bill. Pla ce IJU NCOMBE presented a petition from ! o. j of a that u Irel co and praying for inquiry into the ;present ntry. k r -SOAP DUTY. ,7111 a6 4„'" - ' l-1 : said, having been 'disappointed in 11 1eid on his m o ti on w i t h re f erence t o this d u ty on , owing to the circumstance of there not itreaat °use, he had, after consulting with parties for t h e e 't in it, determined to abandon his intention P 4 'sent session, with the .view, however, of. It al, aal g it under th e cons id era ti on o f Hon. Members period next year. ' ) EY u ti OK presented several petitions-from North li r a gainst any alteration of the corn-laws. 4 4- GLIONBY - presented petitions from the 'host Diss enters' and chapels of Cumberland Sir J t the Chapels Bill. COUNTY RATE. "qt h e ' 4 . DUL:4ER gave notice that on Tuesday kie t , i should ask leave to bring in a Bill for better I I) levying, and collecting the county rate. k r l A , BANK CHAR. lot h l e ; cn'ODEHOUSE Was ßT understood to give 4 4, an athendment to the third clause of the *azi In the oarter Bill; but its precise nature was not gallery. - ,11 r JOINT-STOCK BANKS. N d '''ASTERMAN asked the Bight Hon. the `41•, --u , t of the Board of Trade whether the Act for 4 4, g t oation of joint-stock banks was intended to t 14,4 r etrospective effect on the joint-stock banks . 14 1 . 3 ;4°, existence. t44!l'ab "144DSTONE said the question was one of le importance; but he had not had the op,- th ipty of refer r i ng to the Acts ; still he would-give i ., ° a• Gentleman as clear an answer as he could. ittit'l'istion was whether, in the Bill before Parlia tei,d'_,' the regulation of joint-stock banks, it was oil , to apply them to the banks' "at.- present Lkklcf,..lration• ._. He might. state. that it, was .not e q to apply the Bill to those joint,stock tftist pre,,,,rif in operation; except - with respect to t he t „ r4t ion, unless the parties having the direction of pie ,TPan,y should conceive it to be their interest to 1 4,r e ''/Iselves under the provisions of the- Bill ; em t w ere powers in - the Act .which would enable ht i ° do so. The .Government had thought - it . `ttir A 4 1 " „ 3 , to recognise all the privileges that were Akt , e q l to these -banks ,up to -the "passing 'of , the iti ont with :respect to_-companies, f ormed since lki tA t i:oductio n o f the Bill :and before it should b e It might be a question whether -it would no t 4 41 v is4ble tolbring.them under the operation of the . . . . Si r r , -ST. MARGARET'S CHURCH. titri, h BURRELL presented a petition • , from the tl lo l3f ,t• Margaret's, Westminster, praying that , to u t Church' had been made the Church of the ‘ s k Et Commons, it would be pleased to contribute conALug towards the repair. of the fabric. The l einber wished the petition to be. printed. 4 iclh: CHANCELLOR of the- EXCHEQUER 1 1, it e buld not decide `on the prayer of the petition , w —°l3l d be a matter for the decision of House ; N I , (411 d, however consent the petition being LO RD a l( ißti LIEUTENANT ,011 1 IRELAND. tltt a v , ‘ . LAYARD, seeing the Noble' Lord the Se 111E1, r Y for Ireland in his place, wished to ask whe 7 ite ll i the l'e was any truth' in the rumour generally 1,„, 4t e„( l , of the resignation of Earl De Grey ? ( Ad . M4IOT said the Hon. and Gallant Member . het t:r put the uestion to the Right Hon. Baro. e Flst Lord' q of the Treasury. b SCILLY ISLANDS. PECHELL asked the ' Chancellor of the e quer, w h e th er b e bad any objection to produce l'llc t °t respondence that had taken place with refer- Th t° sending the -mails to Scilly.. CRANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Sala l 'tr 4—a ngernents were not completed,but when they ~rr e t hereowould be no objection to prochicing the . i .LORD.LIEUTEN.ANT OF IRELAND. PEEL having entered the House, , LAYARD -repeated to him the -question " 1 41 1 7 'Ad put to Lord Eliot, whether there wa s a ny El i In the report of the resignation of Earl De Grey . ?' ; R. PEEL said there was no truth whatever in ne : 41 , our.--q Hear, hear.) -Still he must say that NI to " 3 (sf Earl De Grey r 's health had fosometime IktiCtkeh as to make , him very anxious to be relieved w 4 b burdens of office ; but he certainly had not heti S• ir C• MEDITERRANEAN FLEET. '` 4 t • NAPIER wished to ask the First Lord . A dmiralty a question—lf it was true that the •Qarider-i n -Chi e f in the Mediterranean had dis or the ward-room officers, and taken possession he tI T ward-room for his own accommodation ? tile./;'''necl to know if the Admiralty had any infor ,o. kiip t ' on the subject, and if they had, whether they . s ayed of it? COCKBURN said there was no official re , L the circumstance, but he believed such a thing ,Nto . y er -- '_ . 11 done, when the ship was taking out , the %. nor -General. /. 11 4 6 „ e • NAPIER said he thought the Right Hon. Nf oi ,,,,"et had misunderstood him. Ile had. risked fur 1 41e 4 tion, arid 'that was the only place where he 1 4,, attain it. If he applied to the Admiralty he • AOt obtain the information he wanted. ''' 4 1(11 1 - COCKBURN said he must observe that t he 4. ear - Officer had no right to make that rema rk.— 4 14 W hear.) lie often came to the Admiralty . a r nd . ea no difficulty in obtaining information.—(lra e gut 4• PIainPECHELL said the latter part th 4eCommodore's question had not been . answered. b ill t l slll d himself ask the Gallant Admiral opposite ‘Nd t- I - Z auch a practice as that of taking away the •44 4 'ln from lieutenants and captains of m arines tAile:er been known in,any other case. COCKBURN said it had been done by 4 40 ) ;: in the Romney, 'when he went out W ith - "t i d„penilant.—(Ministerial cheers.) • • ''‘JIVRING wished to know when the papers St - e ,, t , e d with improvement in the public accounts to be laid on the .table ? • • '• CLERK said they were laid on the table on o; 3 l l . ast. ti e l,!order of the day for going into Co mmittee ~- -" Agar Duties being read, ' 4 11 v . - k;,. NAPIER said something had fallen f rom K ai ,lant Friend, the Member for Gree nwich, be as Lie could not pass by without notice. When 'a l/ Zed th e Gallant Admiral a question in referenc e tikir h t occurred in the Mediterranean, he replied to th ere had been a similar occurrence when a Go- Ittf te :,Creneral went out to India. That might be ~ rtrt io" Y correct, but an Admiral was not a Go erat-elleral of India. There was not a case on 4 .1,,Vn which an officer on a foreign station had %lb; all the officers out of their room for his own 1 , 41 e5 44 !lee. It was contrary, he believed , to all t he ` l 4ll l a °' the navy.—(Hear, hear.) The Gallant ~:Adm ir al reminded him that, when he had visited t he h at t l h illi tY, he had never been refused information; Akeen it had always been given with, the under * th that the communication was private. That k, ejeasoo why he had asked the 44 question. days') '4 1 1 IEIL gave notice, that to-morrow (this ask the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of .dir eer aiesty' s Government, whether he had issued any tl'ot ar t'ns respecting the distribution of , 6e In in Ireland to the Education Commission ?- Ili SUGAR DUTIES. butiettiti,?use then went into Committee ort,the Sugar 1. t he eP.,„I:AROUCHERE wished to know whether • b oar ..,talent s of the Bill were directed against slave k, ,",gar or not ? h ot. " 1 4 , &DSTONE said that they certainly were Sir P 4 'EL said it was impossible-to mak e an y /4• ,- e lnent by w hi c h all parties would be sat i s fi ed. "'tat! VE RNON SMITH thought that the Hon. the l'em o e nlan was bound to show to the House , t 4 ae 4 1 ' for the course be had adopted ; he been n ro o . P4ed ; h r tason why the measure that had p L ' 3 , l . ll ci be further considered. th; ‘ j r ,'-'ADSTONE defended the' coure adopted porter quite The slavery of Java N 1 72. its quite distinct from that of Brazil.--(Hear.) loire,Zr`l PALMERSTON said, that whether the ex- i. Aort• a ( , ll , lls ed by his Right Hon._ Friend near him hat tort a ,r,"Verly understood or not, way onittle Atigi;` - 'e. waS of no use to discuSs the. motives,of the h " Ilan. 'Gentlemen opposite. They Wen; ileer es . t judges their own inotives.—(Hear, and that s;) Ent, without dli , eussing motives, be Must soy was t h e e course which the f;overmuent was taking c aul d m ost devious, circuitous °lid grey I :SVltg al:Ve chosen'' -and ii deY. .414 6. tortuous courae . •Ntyi y , a -is the- most difficult.—(Cheers.) Her'3l2:l - krovernment had formerly stated that their aaswas t o put down slavery ; but now their object. e , 0 yh., 14 " a vin only the slave trade.—(Cheers:) tiata e 'd no objection to favour countries in which 44, A s tle slavery existed—it was only to agricultural keatehey objected: —(Hear.) Why, in that state tlYa r ,..3' . gave up one of the most important of their; er e ',, l nelPles ; for where domestic slavery existed ' %la ve itnist be a supply of slaves, and there must be 41 p os : 81 2, 1. -- -(Hear, hear.) Look to our own Orien -14 -- ,1 8 ,. ) n5, in which domestic.slavery. existed = o "-ADSTONE said that the Noble' aid tO Co mae himself to Jan.—(Hears hear): . , Lord • PALMERSTON., ceritintied-e.-The Right , Hon:: Gentleman -wished 06n#13-q to Java '(Laughter..) But he would insist that wherever slavery,existed, the _slave trade. IDUSt parried on. He vi , ould . not call it hypocrisy, • because ,:hypecrisy implied some pretence; hut he would say that a more barefitced indonsistency, one more obvious to the. meanest'capacity, than the one' contained in• this clause had never been proposed to Parliament. When they bad withdrawn all the free labeur sugar from the market of Europe, of course the deficiency thus ,Creataci.. in that. Market would be sup plied by slave labour, sugar. ThiS was one invincible_ objection which he entertained to the measure. There: was, moreover, a constitutional objection to the clause. By that clause the Govero ment took to themselves the. power :of opening the market by deciding upon the laws, constitutions; and customs of other Governments.. When Parliament invested Government with powers of that nature; they should hty :down rules clearly defining the principle by which the Government was to be guided, so that if the Government 'departed froni that principle ,they might be subject to the disapprobation of Parlia ment. The Right Hon. Gentleman took upon him self .to decide upon all the different degrees of servi tude, from the slavery. of Cuba and Brazil to a state of mere serfdom. :.The. _Government thus, took upon themselves to judge of the , different Jaws and custom's of other countries,' and were allowed to open the market to the produee of any country which they might determine to be sufficiently tinged With freedom.—(Hear, hear.) Now that was not a very intelligible principle. If, instead of that, the clause had enacted that the British market should be open, to sugar the produce of all countries in which the slave trade was not Carried on, that distinction would have been at least intelligible.. He might think that it would not be advisable to introduce such a distinction, but at all events it would be an intelli gible one. At present there was -no intelligible dis tinction, and he thought the clause altogether so oh jeCtionable, that he felt bound to vote against it. Sir J. 'HANMER wished to call the attention of his Right Hon. Friend the President of 'the Board of Trade to the fact that a considerable proportion of the . trade.between the Phillipine Islands and the Manilla, was carried on in Spanish bettonis. Ile' trusted that this matter would not escape the atten tion of her. Majesty's Government. He also. wished to know why the islancl,ofPorto Rico should not be enumerated among the places from which'free-labour Sugar was to be introduced: Mr. GLADSTONP said 'there. was a very consi-; derable proportion of-free labour •in Potto Rico, bu dt: the same 'tithe 'there Was a great deal of labour employed in that island, and it was imprac; usable ,to. draw any.rdistinction' in the' case of that island.74Cheers- trona, the ~.Opposition.). The matter alluded to by the Hon: 'Gentleman was one Of much, importance. ,: ; The -Hon : , Gentleman had accurately -stated .that , differentia duties were still in ex istence, and no treaty had been entered_ into with Ildlland ••relating . to the•.intereeurse: with -.Java. With respect to Manilla the same.•practicv,also , pre- Nailed. The king voyages ficm the Philippine Islands were riot performed - by - Spanish vessels; 'but chiefly, IT . British"; and with regard to the' export duties. levied at Manilla, the difference *as se slight as to, be•scarcely worthy of Censideration. ' i .Mr. HUME,said it was the object of Parliament, in legislating on theie - Matters, to lay down certain principles -in. a Bili, and then to,lay s down sucbrules as should prevent any deviation from •it,_ ; They i ,nowt' Vegan to find out the difficulties .which .encompassed the plan - of her Majesty's GoVernment.—(Hear; hear.) He anted to know if Government 'could and would define what the law, was,' If they could not define 'it no w, how could they hope to define it hereafter? — (Hear, hear.) The fact was, the only conclusion the Haase could come to - was that the- Government itself did not know what the clause meant.—(Cheers.) Now; : he would ask them this question Was Egyp tian sugar admissible under this Bill ? ,They. could not tell him--(Cheers)-.-.and if they would not tell, he* could foreign Governments know in . what way to, advise these people to regulate their trade -with this country ? lie. had never seen the Right Hon. •Baronet so anxious to, getrid of a question as he was that .night; and really he was not surprised at it. Still he should be sorry to see the- Right. Hon. Ba ronet go out, at the present moment—though the di;• vision on . Monday night was carried by the free traders, par excellence—(LaughteY)--still hecould not conceive, -after the speech of the Right Hon. Baronet, that he would have remained in office had. the majority been against him...(116.r.) But - this was , no matter. --(Laughter.) It was possible that this Bill would have to. he _carried out by another Go ' vernment, and they ought to, lay down certain prin ciples which could be understood' by the general in terpretation of the words. , HoW would they deal with the sugar of Louisiana? • - Lord STANLEY—That is under.a treaty. Mr. HUME—But suppose the' treaty should cease ?—(Hear, hear.) Acts of • Parliament ought not to.be intelligible poly to Ministers of State ; they ought to be . intelligible to Men of ordinary . under standing. They -ought to lay' -down a distinction between slave-grown sugar and free sugar, and after the new interpretation that had been given by the Right Honourable Gentleman, he thought the , -House ought to have another opportunity of express- .1 ing its opinion. He moved that the further considera tion of this clause be - deferred. • , • • Sir ROBERT PEEL said the'opportunity de sired by the Honotwable Gentleman had been sug gested to him from - his own Parlianientaly know 4 ledge' is the motion he• bad just made, and. be belied the House would express their opinion upon it. The Noble Lord had proposed that the discriininating duty of 10s. should be applied to sugar, the produce 'of slave labour, equally with sugar the -produce of free labour. The Ibuse had decided , against 'tile Noble Lord's proposition ; and if - he were not satisfied with their decision; he would have ari opportunity of again raising the question on the bringing up -of the report. lie did not think the Hon. Gentleirain:oppo aite had a right to call upon the GotertiMent to an- saver a _Variety : of hypothetical cases. AS only a year would elapse before the treaty with the United States would expire, it was,, hardly necessary to dibcusa the question- Mr. LA.BOUCHERE lioped tho Hon. Gentleman i= r 7 TOE - L-ONDOgeIeRrDAY MORNING lUNE in (Ire se ifs iti re - than ti ;bo'llicabr 4.i f 4hrti'sr• iitr dßkitish..t colony, he could. not IY,t, , ,LAy c. , , , 0e, - :: 1,, it tpls4ated! to bim_that BritiSh.eorisii ,, ; ivs - ..`,1`6 not •vi.,,,t; - 1 ,1:1y , tiii*:eittii4 in 'a situation ; which TV,-,,tti'l gi‘'o ',l, onl' , a. Tea:S - 614W: • - ..--,. , . ground: of 'complaint. , i ', : -1,, , ..c ,•. ~ .1-- , n ,ilL.,;tapee , , tak;Eint *Om a si Lollar .regui,atioi.i i ; 7 ; respc‘Ft to ...*oire'e,l and in:that:case uo:clifficulty what v - r 1 - ,:il'ains€ll: ' "'i Dr. BOWRING-!said all " the ~ ..r,;OF,i, , Its or the . :Right { Iton,lGetitlenien 'oppcssile :proceeded ).,t the assumpkoil, I that they ' Would -everiater/f :meet with co-operation,- whereaS 'the very opposite appeared to him the most :ref', satiable Ogieetation.---(Hear, .likar) •These ;d6ctunents'. would-be made a security'for, inSteaxl of aga,inst fraud.--- (Hearo , live'ry,thing which offered nu - inipedinient to the chettik,purebaSe of the article desired would be evaded in every .possible manner. The ' dishonest Merchant . Would availliiinselfof these documents to assist him in' defeatin b crthe agent of/the:Government.: It was impossi l . tile that the consuls ' should be cognizant of all the faco Which . would be' neee•Aaary to:enable-them. properly, to, perforin the duty imposed upon them. . . . Lord SANDON was' :net Willingto throW over these .. certificates is absolutely without ialue. . • . - • • .T Mr.. IWME objected to the certificates. on the'greund that:it would place the consuls in an : awkward VoSition. ' . Mr. LA:BO - WHERE- thought• the whole system of certificates had moat ..iinproperly been adopted. With respeetto the general - measure : before the House, he"be- !levant would haie the effect of encouraging slivery ra ther thin be the means of Suppressing it. Mr., GLAlYOONE:defended the'system. . , ' - ' I - Dr. BOWRING inquired What was to "be done at those l; .ports having 13Q t(SIMILS .. - - , .. 1 Mr. STONE' apprehended that no' port from Which sugar was likely to 'come would be 'without a tensnl. In Java there would be no consul, in consequen ' • of the arrangements of the Dutch Government, but proper officer -would be placed there to Certify. cargoes and be(Mr. Gladstone) proposed to alter the sth china 'to' proVide'fOr•this poWer.. :- • , Mr. • A. "'CHAPMAN • suggested 'the propriety ,o ‘ - doirigaivaY with' certificates Is the ease .cif:sugar cocain . front the east of t he, Qape of 'Good Ilooe, ,- as stave-labou produce was not, likely to conte . t s rtim that. quarter. - Mr.n-roRNELY sugge'Sted that slyzar in bond on the 10.1-of November next shout& be admitted ',without certifieate.' : • •• • - . • , : . .. " , - • .- Mr. GLADSTONE , conceded that there was - a con, l , siderable quantity of sugar in this Country - which was the :produce of Java and Manilla, and explained, that the Bill - was nht to except stocks in 'bona; Or that might be "placed in bond on the 'l6th of November next: iFor these sugars a' certificate of origin would be required. - • . . . . l Lord PALMERSTON then 'Said he should'" take. this • sense of. thollouse on this 'question' of - the certificates, -and the CoMmittee divided. The numbers 'were— . • :. For the clause _. :11 - -- . ~, - • Against.it •6O • , , Majority for. theclauss - 4• . 454 The 'clause was then ordered to,stand part of the Bill' Clauses 5 -and 6 were agreed to without'discusaion. On clause 7 being prOpesed, ' . ,". ' . --.- ~ i • - Mr. BARING - wished the Government • to give. WO • .exPlanatiOn as: 'to the • construction they , put' Upon the: , 'treaties 'between this country and - Denmark as to the ad -mission of the sugars. Of that country.'. ' Thetreatiei of - 1'661 ; and 1670 were still . in forde, and the words. by which the admission was claimed secured to Denmark 'th same terms :as : those. granted to. ".the Hollander." ; 7 1 1 hiS was the-eldiform; which. he contended was equiva lent ta.ithemdderri phrase Of • the :".. footing of .the rtioSt favoured nations."' He could" not- understand' how the Government could put - a .eonstruction on the treaties that shOuld exclude • tliCistiffir'cof ~ I , ais countri. - Now-:with .regard • to Arnericannd Sweden, did. they tipt 'propose - to. admit sugar, whether the produce of free , labour or not,' - at a lower rate of duty, and hoW was, . possible to reconcile. these • privileges with. existing treit-e' ties l- He did not stand.urethere.as_the advocate of the' Danish treaties ; . but he did think that there were cir-, 'euntstances•cohnected-'with Deninark, at least as far as slavery was concerned, whichOitider such a.measure ItS. .that.: before , the'lfritiSe; should entitle it to peculiar, ,favour.. Denmark. was' the country that first abolished , : .the slave trade. And,..further, it gave every facility fo• the - right . ..of , search which. could. possibly - be" de- manded—facilities, whieh America and *Prance 'would not 'gi've.' The - ..Right Hon. Baronet at , 'the,: head ' of the Government', stated, a few nights ago, ' that this dountrydeelined to. enter into commercial ne- • 'kotiationSiiith Brazil, because that country was not wil- ; ling to take . measures 'for the . ultimate abolition !of-, slivery. Denmark had done•without compulsion, with- , out hope Of gain, and ' Voluntarily, . what- was made the sine qua non with' Brazil, 'and yet Denmark was to Ilia. excluded from the advantages•of the Bill: The wokds of the treaty were strong, and,the arrangementsbindiag, `and` there was no reason whatever why the 'sugar camilug Troin'Denmerk, the produce of her colonies, should dot 'b entitled to at least•the same advantagei as other fo the force of the, argil , re . i i ir,t s G ng t a A rs. Ds • Ito - N i- • admitted menta of the Bier ROM: Gentleman. -Denmark certaialy had peculiar claims on the • favourable consideration 'id' this,countrY for her exertions in endeavouring to abol sh. theslive.trade,'but with regard; to the dry luestion of • right, though he would not speak with ' the lugheSt - 40„ gree - of confidence, yet he believed that the - treaty 1 of 1824 was understood by both Governments as that upon Which artarigements :such as those involVedjn' the *ill before the House:silo - did he guided.. ' • `Mr. BARING.:-But was that a commercial treaty ? ' ' Ifr.'qLADSTONE 'admitted it was only a treaty Of. navigationf - but'yet he ltad understood from the. Dantahc Minister; that, 'by that treaty; the mutual coneessidnl of: privileged was:regulated. - ' . • . - -• . : . _, • • i Lord PALMERSTON apprehend:A that theineid ity.: tel observations of, the - Danish Minister Wooltrnet be *binding ,on either Government, nor could - 1114r be,COn t ii-' dered. bythelliMse as satisfactory grounds for legislating in this matter. lle-was of., opinion that the treat of 1824, so far from invalidating former treaties, left their,. provisions as blediiik as ever. Many. of the 'regulations. ofthe treaty Of 1824 hadno'yeferenee whatever to.provi- Siotas in former treaties. - MrX.'WOOD. contended that the treaties with Den-. mar*. stood 49,0, the *same . focting as those with other countries. • . . ' ' - . , • I The' CHANCELLOR of . the EXCHEQUVR said th a t- the construction put upotilLe Danish treaties was, that Danes" were not -to be •subjected -to the , same duties. as those imposed •upOnliollanders. : . . .. ... • - ..After' a few words from Mr.. SHELL,. the clause was agreed to. - ' - : .' - . - I The other clausei Were then agreed •to . without ilia , . cuision.: ' - • - : : : ' . ' .: • , .. Upon the reading of the preamble: of the Bill, : i Mr. T. DI.ISCOMITSt said he should move that the words'.." freely and Voluntarily" be omitted.--(Cheers and laughter.) . It : was not his. intention to supply ; other-. words, although perhaps_ it would not be very difficult for • him to A° so.—(Laughter.) . The House on Friday night came to &resolution, that An!in:l- , portant Change shouldbe made in . the provisions of; the Bill. ThatresOlution - was carried by a majority ; of twenty, but on Monday night it 'was reversed by a ma, of . . Oventy-tw0.. , • -• (Lend '' cheers.). :c_ 9n - that nigit(th at.'it might- he'riecessery, after , the i Otik.of :1,0-yern'her-riext, yern'her - riext, when the Brazilian treaty would expire, to take the Whole, subject of the sugar duties into Onside ratioo ; but in the present .state ,of slavery existing in Cuba ana .her :Majesty's .Govertinient did - not think It was advisable, to encourage the sugar of (hose countries:. .:: He would not pledge hitiiself that the' Bill' • was- to bepermanent. . , , ' Lord 110 WICK &might the . Right. Hon.- Baronet' Was wise in' not pledging himself that ,the. Bill should' be' permanent= (Laughter)--for he thought it • was still Very, doubtful that it would'not now miscarry.—(Cheers.) The:Right lion. Gentleman opßosite - had said that the Governmeetyossessed information respecting the state' Of servitude nn- d'aVa,' from which they.were able to say that the sugar of ,Tara; island was' not the- produce of slave labour. Why was that inforMation Withheld:from the House ?—(Cheers.) • • Mr.-Gunk-OKx and Mr: P. M. SrEw,inT explained. 'Mi. HUME wished the Right lion. Gentleman to de fine what free-labour sugarivas, and whether any ceun !try in, which slavery did not exist 'was entitled to send ;sugar to our markets?—(Mr. Hume then sat down, wait ing for an answer, but nobody rising to' give any)i• •- • -The,Hori. MEMBER again rose, and said that it was really., shameful that so iMportant a clanae - as this Should be bungled and slurred over in such a manner. - -- There was still a pause. ' Mr. SHEIL rose, and said he thought the Right Hon. Gentleman, the President of the Board, Of Trade ought to answer the query of his Hon. Friend. It ,certainly was important kir the Committee to , know whether or no slavery did exist in Cochin-China. Mr. GI I ADSTONE said that the Government were not irr possession of sufficient information on the sub ject to say.,whether .the sugar inCoChiri-China 'was not raised by slave laboir. Mr. SHEIL said the answer of the Right Hon. Gen- , tleman showed how necessary it wai . that proper inquiry should be made before the House proceeded to give Such large• discretionary powers to the Board of Trade: It was quite plain that GoVernment, was not in possession of sufficient information to enable:the-House to-come to coneluaion of so much iniportance as that to which they Were now asked toarrive at.' The proposition sought to be carried was really one of the cardinal points of the Bill- After a- few words,from Ur. HUME, the motion was withdrawn, the - Mon.. Member giving notice that he would renew his motion on the subject when the ',report 'was brought-up. On clause '4 being proposed, LABOUCHERE said the question of certifi+ cates involved in this clause was One of the greatest •ini portance. It was besides perfectly novel in , legislature. .What guarantee had they 'that the certificates of origin would be, faithful and correct.? They Were about to admit Chinese sugar, and to eiclude the' sugar• of ,But ,it was very.well known that large , quantities of sugar were exported from Cochin-China • into China. 'The Cochin-China- sugar and the Chinese sugar would lay in the same warehouse—then where was the guaranteethatCochin• Chinese sugar Would not be ex ported from China into thiS country?' In the same way there ,was a great deal of sugar imported-from Cuba into the 'United States, and the only guarantee they had that it would not come into this country, through America was those certifiCates of origin. It was very easy to . obtain: foreign'affidavita. - , As 'to' the reliance on the British • Consul; he must say that, along 'with' thinking it ineffi- - 'Clout, he the:ight it would be very degrading to that'. effiCer to e'obliged to - look after every cargo of suga r that left: the port at which he was -stationed. The sys tem Of affidavits introduced did not gife much security to the public, for every one- knew how little custom hoUSe oaths were' valued; or , thought .of; in fact one of his main objeCtions to 'the Bill • was, that it ;tended to weaken and undermine commercial-veracity and com mercial fidelity. On the whole,. he did _pot think 'that " the 'shadow of a shade" of an advantage which this Bill held' out, •and which would vanish the moment a• practical effect was sought to be given, was in. any way sufficient to counterbalance the disadvantages resulting 'from Vie hostility to us fiom - foreign•-powerawhich the Bill would inevitably create. - •: . HAMPDEN. said that-he believed _.there was an. ambiguity in the Bill, which, as he understood, from some of his friends, would exclude the necessity of ger , tificates of origin from the Americans. He' wished, to call the attention of the Government. to the subject. ' Mr. GLADSTONWsaid he quite agreed 'with his Right' Hon. Friend emirate (Mr. ,Labetichere)ln' his • assertion that the question of the certificates was a very important one ; but he wholly differed from him ,as to the amount of difficulty which he apprehended would -arise from .the use of them. He freely admitted that this was the most important part of the Bill. 'The Eight Hon. Gentleman said the power to, prevent fraud would rest solely Rad entirely on the certificate of origin. This was not the case —indeed it was Very far from the - case. Under the existing law: of .this country occasions were constantly arising in which certificates werereqiiired of the origin of things introduCed into it. This was one of the main' principles of. the navigation laWS:=Hone of its most essential characteristics. Therefore it was not a new practice ; there was no noveltYWhatever in it—ne nntried experiment,' but simply a duty -which - certain 'public officers were called upon habitually' to discharge ; and thiii was not done in every case, or - even in many Cases, by means of a special investigation. 'When there was reason to suppOse - that a fraud was contemplated'- then of course the facts and circumstances were speoifi-: ' tally inquired into, but when such' was not the case, then, ' there was only the usual and ordinary examination of the ship's papers. Therefore, under this Bill, and in the instances referred to, the proper authorities wouldd - only have to do that which they were accustomed tp britinany other occasions. The Right Hon., Gentleinan(Mr. La- - bouchere) seemed to think that the Government, pro-. posed to - depend solely on the certificate ; they did no such thing, but on. other general precatitionsas The Right Hon, Gentleman' also stated 'that no •certi.: , ficate of origin had heretofore been required„ - With foreigaets had any thing 'to do. ..1 - 16 - (Mie. Gladstone) knew, not whether his Right . Hot , * Friend referred toz;( foreigners holding official situations,' or to foreigners Carrying on and usually engaged in mercantile affairs, If he referred, to the former, of course it *ould not be required ; if to the latter, he (Mr, Gladstone) begged4o say it was not a novel feature in the As foreigners carried onbusiness in English .ports... so did English Mar chants in foreign ports and their signatures must, 'of necessity, be oftentimes Liken in various matters of the highest iniportance. But his Right Hen. Friend argued . that 'where there was a strong , interest 'to' deceive; a certificate of origin would be' or no value: He did • not agree in that ' with ,-• his Right Honourable Friend • and, further, he 'must remind him of the Coffee Bill of his Own friend, now toed Monteagle, in the year 1835, Where the inducement -to fraud was: no the than . fife 'tialfpence in the- pound, where a certificate of . origin was required L-but under- Which -,arrangement he (Mr. Gladston e ] had never yet heard that fraud had heen succesSfaily pre*tisect Let him assure, his Right lion. Friend that fraudulent ofte 7 , rations could no( he _carried on ,is expense. Th6y ' • With, - • would comply with the .Right Hon.. J.laronet's sag- had not merely the liabilities of detection to -cope ,ei T s. , jority - tion - because he was not without hopes that the. Right lice ' R but the absolute burden of heavy, disbursements. -_ To evening, down,. _ ieurable Baronet . (Sir °pert ges , commit freed in these matters, a vessel must make a Peel) came to that House, and insisted on the when they had gone through the clauses of the Bill it second voyage in order to give effect to that fraud,; and original words being reinstated in the resolution, thteats would be so clear that the people of this country were look at the expense which this incurred to the parties ens ening. the. House, if called upon to make all those sacrifices for no gaged in it ! Why, .even- without these' certificates of he would Tesigny•yess .resign, and , hand over 1 the practical benefit ; that they were exhibiting origin, b e (Mr. Gl a dstone) shotild . te very little afritid of government of the .country to the Right lion. Gentle -themselves in the eyes of the • world as people who trick or imposition? hut -then. he thought-the 'POO of 'men near him (pointing •to the front of the. Opposition were . unable . to carry iheir own principles . into England had a right to 'require them--had a right to bench) --that 'to them he would give up the adminiStea s effect ; that they •:• were i n t ro aucin g a system o f require every precaution against. the ' introduction, of tion of affairsss-(Loud cries of "No, no.") Well, then, to those gentlemen beloW him.--(Great laughter.) : He extensive fraud in the commercial world, that the slave-grown sugar, after the - heavy sacrifiCes they had House 'upon . the report ..would, be induced to reverse made to, suppress slavery in their own colOnies. In his (Mr. PuncoMbe) supposed the Right -Ilon; . Gentlman . opinion the fears' of the Right Hon: Gentleman as te.the referred in his , threat to .the Noble Lord (John their decision.—(Cheers.) The mere they discussed Consuls, .beingunpleasantly_up not mixed with veracity- Russell and other Hon. Members Members near him, rather the question, the more.evident it: would be, thatit was • not advisable to attempt to draw a distinction .between of - - individuals would turn out, wholly unfounded. Let than to. those honourable younggentlemen 1 him look at the real difficulty in such a case. The dif- benches opposite (pointing, amid lotul laughter, t the the two classes of foreign sugar.—(Cheers.) • . ficulty was to be Satisfied that the sugar of Cochin-China seats usually occupied the ." Young England" party). Mr. GLADSTONE said , that althou g h the Ri g h t . was net exposted. from China. Why, at a port; every However -that might be, there was , the threat, o the, Hon. Gentleman recommended his lion. Friend (Mr. one. knew what articles' were imported, :what exported -7- .. Right Hon.' Beronet.—(Cheers.) And he' told t tem, Hume) not to discuss the q uest i on on this clause, where they came from; whence they were bound to. . moreover, that though they 'might choose to .di , r in h e co uld not resist the temptatien of stating in very These were matters of daily conversation on the wharfs; opinion with his politics, that differ with-him hi practice_ glowing language what were the arguments against and any man of ordinary' common sense could easily. :sh e y should notH(Cheers)--or rather, that differ asithey . goods not ofmight, he himself should continue in the course lie had the Bill.—(Hear, hear.) An observation had been ascertain what was going on. in respect to . . , . Y laid down for himself, and they might follow as :they made; about - the -Government shifting their ground. a fragile, and light, and portable, but of a peculiar! bulky and heavy Character. If they were dealing; with liked.--(Loud cheers.) :So it appeared that Hon. Gen lie begged to tell the Noble Lord that he was able theirth' Inge that cobe carried about in their hands or in: tlenien opposite, with a sort of Whigpholuas-(Laughter) to giVe. a confident denial to that statement, auld pockets-with gpirits, that, could be run ashore in ; —preferred sacrificing' •houestyy--(llear)—political • con- Government were preparecltomeet the Noble ' or s Id the d kegs, then .they, might, with some reason, talk of dif-: sistency—(Hear)--aye; and some of them even changed 'objections point by point, whenever it Would 'be con-• ficultiei ; .but with .large, heavy, and unwieldy packages, their 'votese-'-(Lond cheers)--sonte four or five of them— Venient.--(Hear; hear.) - The Hon. Member for such as sugar was Stewed away in„ he, far one, could - not (EOur, four)s--.4ell;:fcir s - s qeite epough—went and voted Montrose had attributed to him (Mr. Gladstone) the anticipate the slightest 'practical difficulty; And tis to diametriCally opposite, on the Monday night, to the way ha v ing complained of being ,catechised on the subject the transhipping of these packages, what -mast the world in which they had voted on the Friday,.•-(Great cheer of this Bill. lie was net: aware that 'he had made be :about to let it take place without notice or obserias ing)'••ile was sure the Right Hon. Baronet' t the head any such • eoniplaint„ butscertainlY. he must • observe, tion? It could nit be done in the darks-it must - be done ' Of. the Goiernment minit, have been astonished and stir ' that 'with' respect to' the sugars of -France, Austria, in the daylight, and .it required much labour and many. p r i s ed at the success of a manoeuvre which toad Convert . and Northern Germany, that, OS those countries had hands. The Right Hon. Gen ei tle-en'had stated that, he - minority of 20 .on one night into a majority of 22 en barely enOugli•te•stipply 'their oWn wants, he :did not thoht the attempt to exclude .slaVe.grown sugar would anothers--(Cheers) . Now he begged te say he did not inoperative, and , e believed , that' to e opinion of blame _the'• n.Baronet for thelanguage hehad think ibe 'the think it necessary to provide for any Contingency aria- whole commercialsciw, for his own part, `he used to his supporters behind him. In his (Mr.buns. e world. , . „. , . matter, . however, was - ling from those quarters; The , • t was of a decidedly opposite opinions' and :by opinion • CoMise's) opinion, he had - treated them - exactly in• the entirely . at the discretion of the (iovernmeut.s, - he should abide. ~ . ' '''' ' - ' '' L 2. "'' .. manner - they :deserved--Great cheering' and laugh..l ''.- sir.' P. BARING said the, clausal gave to the Go= - Mr. HAWES .said there could be no doubt the ter)-for he did think, after the eXpresaion of their opi-1 sernment the, power. to admit sugar which they felt ~ , . . transhipment would be unprofitable, and why, therefore,. ,nionon the,factory, .question-ss(Rear, ;hear) : --and their :satisfied was the produce of free labour: , ~tinder these . should they clog itivitii a differential duty ? He thought; .reversal of that opinion, the Right- lion. Baronet 'had a circumstances, they. (the Opposition) , asked the Go; the isi g bt H o n. Gentleman had entirely failed to Was perfect right once more to make them Move round; and - lie '1 iernment• to have the goodness to explain what they . blish his . own :case, - and 'he hoped this `temptation to - , mostsay, never did a set. of Members: show themselves 1 _meant liy,the produce of , 'n order Let fraud would not' meet the sanction' df the House.. '' . ~ more of spaniels, better brokenin,or more submissive than 1 freelifbour, --i I; likely =the Might aseertain hoW they-Vvere_. to p!er- Lord PALMERSTON thought the Rightlion. G - ti 1 •th .and lr stred independent tl h e • those hen. se - •gen emee.w o, tlenian's - aegunient on this question the cut away graced the featsbehind their 'master .-(G t cheering' _ . .ciselhepewer Which *as 'vested in therm , The Right' the ground.. on . which this measure .itself' was based ; ' a nd laughter.) But they (Mr.' Duncombe) asked. hat t n. . ent man ;• replied , that. he could. not "gise aoy 116 G I • . . because . he Said - that the advantage of. in admission to. 'Masse what did they appose the_ people out of doors.! definition ; • He thought, :putting ' the whole subject . the British market would not be s a sufficient temptation thought 'of, their proceeditigs ?- - -(Cheer's.)- iDld they tdgether, 'the Government- ought le- tell them what to- induce 'persons to commit fraud . e that not only dil • suppose fora • were the'sPeelei of sugar . theyintetidedth • edmit . the measure proceed on the asbemption that there wou s l had ;existed there ,ever Was a Parliament,. there:everwas Mr. GLADSTONE defended l - the ' course the 'Go , . be a very grem 'advantake in such admission; but the ...a House of Common*, thet.bad , so much of the contempt Vernment had pursued. : • - - - . •. . 1 GoVernment made - that advantage an argument with the and scorn - of. the people, as ;wasliesteWed unon that tthe "f.' -Mr. P. M. STEWART would confine himself strictly [BeAzilian Government for altering their internal affairs. He -told: there th at never .in: the course of . English to the question before the Committee. The More, this' He must assume, heivevets • that there was a .temptation 'historywai'there it: House -of-Commons sos intens4,l Bill.was discussed the more , evident were.,,iti defeets-x• to'fraiid,. otherwiei•lhess.svieds• would not have been.. 'tack .distrusted,' and despised?s--(Cheers.) , , The ,C t os .the more, clear it became-that:set, m easur e was whOllY I - inirchltieeds' bid he- held sTis se 'bs s d s tube of :no value; • yernment, : certaintY, was the • ridicule r the .laughings. iiidefeesible. TllQ.jtigllt lib 4. Gentleman. opposite 'ac i nelart. - :These certiffeatt , s - eotildlie obtained without, the stock, Und•the contempt' flrelind -,.: but why the House anted him of rcsoi,ting . ,A•f r di ac.y f or . th e • purpose •of ! Yeast *diffialty.' All' hat was needed was the mere asSer: -.itself should consent to be dragged Isksuch a Govern-0, ; mlins; PO , 3 ' C A ' e ''°. ' bi " . . against Java; but' the',' tion Of 'a party interested,' and upon; that - assertion the; - tent-.through. the mire, he ii'lla at a toss_•to• conceive, for 1 • ltislitt'llou„ .G.l4leillp , ri ought to lthoW that - 'all' the ' British consul was required :to • sign the certificate., ,lie h e:re ally believed Hens Gentlemen opposite could not ,b 0 , gs b o d s ;that., cal)se . froin :-Jev,a :3 , Tte ~the : prOduo - k.. , - of - m eet protest against the entruSting of such duties to British ,in,worse hands-even if they had- trust ed: thetiselves and' '., f orce d lahour-'--ors , if 'titeY'Ploa,gedy:Ot oiOdified slaveiy. . c oesulss' It..witne• part of the duty of a •British consul, .their . interests. in the hands -of his -Hop. Friends deer 4 ,- 0 „ 1 w hieh there was no i- ,3 ettPe , without payment•of ii . t o fretas a judge of foreigners in such matters; all that .. liim,-...(Gcelit vlsughter.): .. Well, , but whaehe wanted s° • il ens sm ; s4.-(tleue; hear.) •That ••was::the•roal state. of the • - cal se within his • province was to protect British users' knoW frees the'Right How Baronet wasoyhether,he con- •' ' Ihe was hut° that 1 . - the ,Right 110 11. - -Geritletil'an' 'chants. ' 'What' would be hisposition if he were required Sidered the•Vote.Of • the •other, or, rather, theteversal,ol; cas-p,-snc. . . , the r res is en t o f the Board a Tide ''''us fuilY award'ef 'to t e lt fereignera residing where he was stationed that . - thesrote-s-(A laukh),.:theothei night, as . a vote of eon s , idle fe.etS,•he Would not incliidc Java in the ..category of 'tie believed they were- telling him. a.falsehood? 7 -(4ear, .odence of that Ilouse?-41 - fear, hear.) - After alls who. , frso-labour ..).tates. AS s or e s ielading-the 4ugar of Brakil,"l:he a i.,) Why, if he . niade secret enemies, those hits ;..was the Hens -Gentlemen .saved by ?—(Loud 'cries of ;and.Oilier slave states, from 13ritish cOnsumption; he Was would•eXerr thei n edees to .rescenge - themselves •on hinly - 4 ,'. Heari kW."). .Why, by "eleven gentlemen, all eppos • " which proved was =po s .., s•s s e a resent 6a,,SP ' . ._. , . _ and through him on British merchants; . They were. e n of the overnment-efive •or sit of ' hum dialed d. at ~ s , , .su ta .. G , . . . th , ,_. aWsits.. - - • .- • • . of sugar, arrive "-s- with• ts, large car'g'othrowing on British &inset% the certainty 'Of creating: .themselves,leaders ofthe freo tradepartyetear, hear.) sible. ' A stu r , • . . 4i. W hig writs re.shipped in the Mts. - *piles; anti were thns doing what would tend greatly' The West,badia • interest - had sought • only .for twenty Liverpool from: Brass, s y ~,- w here , at. was bY - thls" in"tlitisinish 'their" effieieney.--(Heiar, bears) He en-- shillings protecting- duty.--(Shouts .Of slaughters and: triaia and sent out, to Bombes , , - ;Sriti,slissubieetss -- treated the Right }lnn.' Gentleman :therefore to content ' .cries Of , "•Ten, tens') s Twenty shilliogs.sluty, the :chile . ; time iii the•eourSe Of cSinsuneption h -Y ---- . . . - himself With the CertifiCate Of 'the foreign merchant. •.- r ' • lid ' t• ' t ten shillings' tee • .--(dh ent , amoen log o , pro win eera , (1104r,_ hear ! ) -.. • • - • k .i n . w h • , The , 4,AlicELLon of the EXCHEQUER .said that - 1 and: langhter.) '.But ! these' flTe-trade gentlemen - were , - Sir tiV. sAmts said .that. he did'. not now , i what. night Ho ' Fri ' d '' ed 'C h' anxious '-i • .h ' . - • ' .-' • • ed and hail lie ~ ,‘. ~, , y. .e . n . eontod4 was, that if It a,, f to 0 , ...IT t cm a -prcrtectmg duty of I.4se--;("tioss Way the Government intended ,to. proce y With them sae or ; other_ hed to . be-• forwarded hyaseileS late " and laughter):: *Well, hutthe 'freikratie'•gentlemert i vote . . _ , .• .11 .• . • . i. • did so .he could not coaseieotious.y ~ ssi , sss , w oe, [rex nsessinti Incurred was sogreat l AS .1 voted for iiiur .shillings mit:44,olßn ' they themselves Itsid • (cheers and a laugh.): Bei wished .tolcttpw'st,rhethfir. 4 fl , 1.!4t rpm tt-fl rc'rFggitiesk . 040419 than it otherwise would )4., to , =id i - i , - Wanted-to knowwhat ,'sort a ' 1: - It. of s, ?s e ~ , , ,sort. a - Tr neW - was not to be a. per. .to , . . 5 . 11 , ~, waviot i„iwpo,sin that ti.i, Bill , ,_ . ... Tom w.q ..0 ., 011,s _. , ~ . Ihteh the consul. wailllO•itfoesytrado thattpwai.7-745 44 0;....ke_g;1 ,1,..it iLail f4 .,_ 111i inanem - moisures- •,- ,:.., -i':'-' 0 . , u-: - . , :- 1 ::-. ,- - , ,- Bi l '''d t' ' - e saitill - oloseti t9' Ituff : whroisoasuivwuwict. VIA Ektdoosub94thlti diiiitim:J: . 4 4 3.9k;-, i 4tuoie Sir R . E. PEEL had stated in the debate on on ay 0 . Pe4tienlen-itsas. ty_ roan ~ ..thcGoirernment in office. ---1 ''lre- 4 '611 e ntli 1` that. the tprbspeeititinriflsE :lion. Mt,triberzfor Bristek-Oir.c.,M4%;t Troplfiort;..and,ho was,at a loss to undetstandlv y tke ;frefi.tr, - ;.d=2rs'sh.euici be the . party tol“44) the:Gitvettnntint ; ei L i4i;ond : cheers.) Ile (l'ar. Dunoornbe' ha`cY ft:eV :tincsn'tt h T ? trd., the, wring classes clf non e tools; heaatve•th ey did,not agree and go w the tiaine all thuds:}.. '.Who,were the Tory' tools now ?—(Loud` clieer):! ;the working,.the libelled worlting,-classes.' --(Continued cheers.) - :But what he (Mr. PnneeMbe) wanted to guard, against, was the House saying to 1 the 'country that , they were " veluntarily and freely":, giving,:this-,supply.—(llear, hear, and 'laughter.)`' - Ike' said:they did not vt - duntarily and freely give" it: [said it was a mean faisehood—wPositiVe falseliood lifter the coercion that. 4gd taken, place, to say, 'that, it was: I voluntarily and.freely" given--(Loud eheers)--ind on that grunt - id he sbould move. the, omission of the words ." voluntarily •Andhefurther'most,respect .! aud most submissivelycalled upon - the Right Hon. I,Barocet (Sir Robert reel) not to add, injury to insult—: ° (Cheers)—,not .to heap further. - degradation, by. calling upon them to vpte A falsehood,: than he had already, heaped upon that, House, ,by causing it to reverse a de- - damn it had previously arrived at.—(Loud cheers.)* - - • Sir R. PEEL said, considering the oppo:tunity the Hon. Gentle - Man. had had of maturely weighing and - cot... rectly understanding this question, he really thought he ought to have made.himself 'better acquainted with the -fsiet: 14 . 14 case than, _unhappily, he . appeared to '(Heir, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman said it was the pro posal of Government to give a - protection to the West 'lndia interest of 20s, - whereas the , protection proposed by them: was. 10s. He really thought before the 'Honourable Gentleman indulged in such sternludg inents, he might to try , to. surmount the lamentable ig noranee which pervaded his mind on the snbjects he yen- lured upon. The Aiglat Honourable Gentleman oppo site (Mr. Labouchere) had Promised that to-morroiv i :he'would overturn the vote 'deliberately, come to on the, ,3tl of June, on the motion of the Noble Lord the Mem- , her for London., That was the avowal. of determlnationi wide by that Right Hon. Gentleman that evenlngi . Could there be a better justification for the cours e he (Sir R-Ped):,bad. followed ; in - suggesting , a revision of the vote they had formerly come to. He denied. that it was any matter of degradation to reverse a vote provided there were reasonable and , honourable grounds for it. He recollected on a more important occasion, namely, on the malt-tax, that Lord .Althorp asked the House to re l 'lterseltadecision t and the House complied.. But he felt reb.lV:obliged to the Hon. Gentleman for tbe,fairikess he had shOwn in the construction he had put: on the 'words 'he used on' Monday evening.. He had been represented as having saki that with respect to this Bill, and other Bills brought in by her Meje.sty's Government, he ex pected complete acquiescence in all that might be pre posed ; now, he never gave .utterance to so arro gant....an expectation. He did 'on that occasion express his _ warm acknowledgments 'for • the , support her Majesty's Onierinnent had: received, and in asking for.the same support, on the' present oc casion he did stakthat WMajesty's Government could not coriserit to purchase it by the abandonment or the general ; principles it had ,avowal. He certainly mean to ultimate: that, on tbis, question of the sugar duties,, he thraight, the ,tuotiana most material inter -on-the ,subject.„...a.nd thero.were T_Tun.. Members . . prelent . to whom '11.9 - ;;ltudj - Itfted; in conversation, that not heitig;:tle.ttKaa*.e,,ulp,his: mind.as fO what eburSejt would tie Lktloitybiiii46.jursite, 'he had demo:dies:lto ,be . la t y gh ter from the ::'henett• - cs. ) Tha t fttt tit otty. • 'was autliCirt i tt.',or' a minister- but • it - was 'the atiptf4itirl fiieto opera ti •4 - •;'s thelaefiea;' - : tfia'ikasterS of ,tlie fti:;.ories. From, them he hat-received le Which he had ),4 pasgessionere'the Hen. Member'Was interrupted loud and - cot inned cries- of Read; read," in the midst of. Which; lieSaf dOwn - 4 Colonel SIBTHORP then rose, and Viial - red& s'ed with iterinef,eheers. lie said—l do not,ibr One intiment dotibt the Statement of the HOn. G4ritleman who - has litst-satl down, Via I regret thathe did net lattnir the Muse- by reading'the whOle of those letters.-Langhter.) I should 'haVe been delighted to have heard - them.riteneWed cheers.) . But whektbe Right - Hon. Gentleman Sayi that Hon. Meinheri.diPthie side of :the House' 'are 4aritels, must take the liberty et stying that r would rather be a spaniel thin au cur.—(Roars of latighter.) The Housethen - resumed, the Chairman reporter progress, and the report was ordered to - be received this day. Sir R. PEEL said he Avoidel,take , that opportunity of stating what course he preposed to pursue. He•trusted that the discussion Qn the Sugar Duties Bill would -not tie extended on bringing up the report; *IS he intended to take the,.?Dissenters chapels Bill, te-morrow,` and ;the Bank Charier Bill on Monday, lie would . take that op portunity of in orating e Zion. Member for Carlow that he, had inisunde'rstoo,cl his question in 'a fortier part . of the 'evening respecting. the Lord-Lieutenancy of Ire and.; ; ' - Captain LAYARD sitid'he had merely asked whether Lord. De Grey had resigned: • Sir R."PEEL had understood the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman to hive "asked :whether the resignation took place 'On`publia grounds. Such-was not the cause of the .resignation, as Lord De,GRy had resigned solely on ac count of - ill-health: , • . 7 .Mr. :HUME, Wished the Right Hon. •G entlemati would _tale that opportunity osaving The country the - expense et a Lord-Lieutenant of.lreland. • Sir R. PEEL said he would net on the decision to Which the Honse of Commons- had come upon this sub ject a month ago. • • PARISHES (SCOTLAND) BILL.). On the order 'of„the day for the third reading of this Bill, . • .% „ . • . Mr. . f switurr . propose& :to add tli6 -following clause :—"l'And whereas chnrches, chapels, auciplacei of public worship in • eolineiion with the Church_of Scot land, have been erected in many districts in which,_ by reason of the poverty of the inhabitants, or other causes, it is impossible that a pernianent endowment 'can be pro .qvided of such amount .as. to entitle, such .distrietto be c rectal into a parish, quoad sacra; as . aforesaid,. and it is desirable and expedient that additional facilities be af. forded-for the due.dispensation of the ordinances of gion therein: be. it, enacted, that .in all such churches, chapels, and- plaies •Of .worship . .which have • been or shall be built or acquired, - collections, May be made and ,applied to the same- objects, ..and., under - the., same 'restrictions as are provid,ed in the ease of ,Churchel, to which districts qUoad sacra have been or may be as ;signed; and .it shall . and may be lawful for any heritor, or for any heir; Of. _entail, trustee, tutor, and curator of , rninors t and every person lawfully empowered to a©t for persons under any, legal disability or • incapacity, to grant. sites for such churchiS„, chapels, and places of worship,.ehurchyards,.dwellingLhouses, and offices for the minister or incumbent, and for gardens and glebes, and to burthen the latids.and estate of which they may be in_possession as heirs_of ental aforesaid. for_ the same objects- and tinder the same restrictions as are provided in the case of -churches to which districts quoad sacra 'have been orshall be assigned as aforesaid: • :, Mr; ROEBUCK. objeeted to the clause, as one which enacted nothing. After a short conversation, •. • • .. Mr. HUME moved the :adjournment "of tha debate. The clause was too crude, imperfect, and ambiguous, to be sanctioned in its present state, by the House., .; Mr. ROEBUCK seconded the_ motion.. and . agreed with the Hon. Member in_ thinking the clause- imperfect and uncertain.. • Mr. M'KENZIE opposed the motion„ and Supported the clause in its present condition. . . , Mr-P. M. STEWART hoped the Government would give , time *for the people. , of Scotland to express, their opinions on the provisions of this clause, which were creating a great sensation in Scotland. ; • : . • • Mr.-J. S. WORTLEY'supported the..clause and op posed the motion... .. , ferenee , with thecommercial and _financial policy of the Go v ernnsent, . and he did. j wobahly. indicate what might be the result of its being. earried—(Cheers, and laughter)—and he,thought it perfectly faie l to do ao,— (L ion d eheer4,) If he had not done so, he should have been taunttll..mjth hiving concealed his , real opi nions . from . hear) —not on account ,og the difference. between 22 shAllings and 44,shillings, but because it would have been criiiitrued into an indica tion that .the llouse of Commons disapproved of the sugar ditties altogether—w .disidit that Would have amounted to an, indication of that want of confidence which would, be followed by the result which such indi cations usually produced. These were, the expressions he had „used,. and by:which ,be must abidei but he totallydiselemsed any intention of stating that, with ,re epect to every measure of the Government, he ,expected from those who genetally supported it, complete aequi eseence. It was for the purpose of creating dissatisfaction among the friends of the Government that this construction wa given. to his words;. but with that fairness with which, the Hoe. Member for 'Finsbury generally acted, he had -put the right construction on what, he (Sir R. Peel) had stated.. So far he thanked the Hon. Gentle man. He believed that: no man ,had received more proofs of, confidence than he had himself received.... (.Inunense :leering.), The lion. Gentleman had perhaps alluded•to these circumstances for the purpose of pro moting disunion, not only among the Members ,on this side of the Howie, but among those who sat on his own; it might be perfectly just and fair that he should so at-- tempt to divide thoSe who • sat around him, hut! he ,(Sir Rohert Peel) trusted ,that his ' friends would not permit the Hon. .Member to sow dissension: among them ;, he hoped they would remain imitedi—• (tropical cheers and laughter front the'OppoSition, which continued for sometime)--he had no doubt they would remain united.-(Renewed. cheering, " Oh, oh," and lapghter,) And all the Hon.. Gentleman would take by. his present proceeding would be, first, to prove that he had not made himself mister of the facts of the case, and secondly, in, all probability, to foment disuniOn - be,! ! tween those who were opposed to the Government..• • Mr-LABOUCHERE said he certainly had recoil'. mended his Hon. Friend the Member ,for Montrose to, postpone his motion that evening,, and advised him to take.the seiem of the House to-morrow evening, on a point the house had already decided. To some extent, he allow;-n. d he was open to the taunt of the Right Ho Gentleman. He could not expect that the Rouse would prove quite so docile on the question to be submitted to them to-morroW evening as.they had done to the Right Hon. Baronet.: lion. Friend had not the same ar guments at, command as the.. Right Hen. Gentleman — (cheers and laughter)—fuid if in the heat of debate, .he (Mr. Labouchere) had. held' out rather too sanguine hopes . of its changing its opinion, he must beg to retract them. He congratulated the Right Gentleman on the, more,cheerfol tone, of his. speech to-night, compared with that on Monday last; and if.the Right Hon: Cientlethan had in any way inedifiedthe expressions be used - on 'that occasion, lie was by.nb means inclined to reproach him for so doing. On the contrary, he rejoiced to hear it ; .he thought Government ought to have the power on grave occasions ofi rensidering a decision, He still thoughttliat Sonie" of the languageused by the Right Honourable Baronet was not such as a great. Minister ; ought to „ham addresSed to a ;British House . 9f Cr:sum:Ts. . He certainly understood 'hins to say. that ,the'.,. 'very, question,, of the queation comparatively . speaking, was an additional reason why his party -ought to support hini. He had also understood him to say that lie believed the motion had been so framed as to get some support from that side of the House. He had understood htm to indicate ,to his supporters that,they Might have the usual license to differ with him on certain .puints, provided they did not so shape theirMeition as to get support from .the other side of the House. Stich language he did not think . worthy the Right Honourable Baronet's character. • and .pOsition in that House. He could only say that lie rejoiced in the altered tone of .the Right _Hon. Baronet. He thought the amendment the lion. Member' for. Finsbury had been • very mis ful . in prothicing this discussion, but ; he would not atlvi.e him to press it. He thought it would not be •advisable to omit the usual words indicating a readiness , on , the. part of the House to supply the wants of the: Bxecnt ve. . . Mr. T. DUNCOMBE; said, since he had been. the cause of the Right. Hen. Baronet making a kind of apology to his supporters, he, instead of being a fo menter of disunion, was, in fact, a peace-maker.--(Ilear; hear, and. cheers.) As he did not wish to be the cause of any further division, heshould not press his amend: !wilt, though he still contended that that portion of the preamble was totally Untrue..--(Laughter.) - • • • • • • Sir JOHN lIANMER said; as an independent Member of Parliament, he begged leave to state that he. had„for•several reasons, heard the speech of the Right Hap. Baronet, on Monday night, with a geed deal of pain. -It seemed as thougk the Right Hon. Gentleman enter- - 4ained, the feeling that there was it kind of intrigue against him on that side of the Reuse ; that there were certain - persens, whO professed to approve of his govern-, went, whoseintentions Wereopposed to that profession. —(Hear, hear.) Amongst -Other subjects to which the Right Honourable Baronet had referred was one mite-4 rially affecting) the Principidity' of , Wales. He hoped that, whenever that 'question: came before the House of Commons, the • Right Honourable Baronet would not think • that they disapproved of his government, or lacked gratitude for the great services 'which! he had iyridered to his, country, if theY eipressed opinions ..which did not entirely coincide with 'those of the Go. yernmeni: It had but .seldOm happened to him to differ from her- Majesty's Government ; but he had • never. done so, without atthe same time entertaining the greatest respect for .his general. policy, and the greatest desire to give it-his support... • • • ~ • • Mr. ROSS said the lion. Member had, no doubt made a very excellent apology for himself, -bnt it would not to tlese who yoted-againit her Majesty's Govern , teent.on - Fyiday, and with them .on •Monday.—(Hear.) In sh ..through the streets of this metropolis•hehad seen_ a t party , Of ,tspaniels dressed up as men. " These essanie)s-sonaptimes,.got :tired and restive; ,their master carried a whip' in, his :Rocket, and he had only .to show. the ; whip and shake it . in order to. make them obey ‘hls orders.. •Now the Honourable. Gentlemen. opposite were like these spanielsi , and -when they became restive; the Right Itori.. Baronet had :enly to take the whip out-of his *ft . o*qt and . shake it over them, in order to -reduce tbetin,to oterlience.—coh; 'Oh.) - . Mr. BOUTIIWICIt- roia amidst great confusion. • He said We Would 44 detain, the Reuse . : more than a few' m i ns t m - ,,,They. : had. been. taunted by the Hon. Gentles . Mien opposites4tit•supporting her• Majesty's Government like so many spaniels. The. Hon.. Gentleman who threw nut that lannt, wits;one of -the dancing dogs himself.— litettr, , hear.) lie had himaelf changed his vote, and= • that, not upon a question of 45., : be of seven-sixteenths'. :Of a pefiny, but of •pnblieprinciple,•nffeeting the rights ;and Prirdeges.9,falarge•elass of her Majesty's subjects. --(Cheers:. fliOs t :Alie 'Ministerial benches.) He (Mr.: ;11 0 1 1 1 11 v,4)- , 1 111 4 supported. her, Majesty's Government tan both,ilivisions .on , this question, because he believed -them to het right--clear, • bear.) , Ile win l l4 e ll the slton: Gentlemen that there 'wore ireio kinds of,e9wardiee ,, t of which , t we • kinds • of soanieig, were gii iity-,one the : cowardice of fearing the threata - of a Gofernmentr-an-(j other that of unpopularity. He-had • braved ,hoth. 'He' repeated that they ,were. not open. to' they taunts of the lion: Gentleman opposite; wilco- had.himself ; stood on his his ;; hind legs• and supported the Govern. ..ment.7-7(Langnte.r4 t ' • Mr. d10814,-said the lion. Gentleinan'a fact :was true, fbut his inference was false.: He had .given,; at the Vase, la most satisfactory' . etplanation of his conduct, -by stating. thetithetheddetermieedio do; on a doubtful question, tlidtig i r would- be most , agreeal4;to - 00 1 1 , s; lliWr''(C • cats.** the Ministerial . benches.) zplan; §# 4640ere4Oa r lt ttiOewtts no foitter , W,*alitaa;ity iriktilvAdillArat - 1 1 4 wfilttif otteif ggivitityt Mr: F. .MAULE affirmed that the majority of the counties of Scotland' were •opposed to the - clause, which was e.uselesa ineumbrance to the Bill. . Mr. AQLIONBY-was opposed to the Bill altogether; and. considered it most mischievous.—(Loud .cries of -" Divide.") He proposed that the , clause should- be . omitted, or that it _should be postponed for further. con sideration. . The clause was ultimately withdrawn, and. the Bill was read a third time and passed. . - BANK CHARTER. In answer to a question from an HON. MEMBER, I Sir R. PEEL said that if the other business before the House allowed him the opportunity, he would bring film ward the Bank Charter Bill oh Monday .next. ' ' ' ' ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS BILL. In answer to a questionlrom 'Mr. R. YORKE, ' Sir R. PEEL -said that he would fia 'a day for the further prog'ress'of this Bill after the Bank Charter and the Shgar"DutieS BHA were disposed of. The Prisons ' (Scotland) Bill passed through Com mittee pro forma l when several clauses were brought up rand ordered to beprinted. The Canal Companies Bill was read a second time. The second reading of th©' Linen Trade (Ireland) Bill was postponed. NIGHT POACHING. Mi. WALLACE moved the further consideration of the Lords' imentheents to the Night Poaching Preven tion Bill. Mr. ESCOTT moved that the amendments be read a second time that day six months. He objected - on prin ciple to extending the • provisiOns of the game-laws to the high roads •of this country. The game-laws re quired restriction rather tha t n,extenSion ;.,they. were un necessary to the sportsman,iand,most destructive to the liberty and rights of the people. • BOINEWE seconded ,the amendment. Captain BERKELEY suPported the 'Lords' amend Mr. no.. BUCK opposed, the Bill. After a desultory conversation, the House divided, when the nuinbers weret- For the original motion ..... G 3 Agsinst it l2 Majority'• -51 Mr. ESCOTT moved for a return of all fees taken or _demanded-from defendants in misdemeanours, by the clerks of assize, and clerks of th e p eace i n England and Wales, at the last assizes and two last quarter-sessions, respectively.. Agreed to. . The other' orders of the day were then disposed of, and the Rouse adjourned at lialf-past qne. o'clock. ! The Marchioness of Laiiid6Wile's concert, which was appointed for Wednesday, was suddenlyput off, in conse quence of the alarming illness of the Hon. Miss Fox, only sister of the late Lord Holland, who, we regret to heir, is suffering from very severe indisposition, and doubts are seri ously entertained .of her .recovery.. Last evening, to inqui ries at Little Holland House, Kensington, the answer .given . was that the Hon. Miss Fox was in a very .precarious condi tion, and had throughout 'the day been gradually getting worse, so as to give not the slightest hopes of her eventual re covery, unless a sudden change for the better took place in her disorder, Dovnn, JUNH 19.—Yesterday considerable sensa tion was created at Dover by a report that - a man had killed his wife, in a brothel in New-street, on the preceding night, -10 n inquiry we have learned that the supposed murderer, an Irish tramp, was taken into custody last night, and that his wife, whom he had most cruelly beaten, died early thiamorn ing. The way and manner in which the unfortunate woman met her death is variously reported, but we forbear giving currency to these rumours till the coroner's inquest on her bodi has been concluded. THE • WEATHER - ; AND. THE enors.--During! the, past week this town (Whitehaven) and its localities . have been visited by several copious and , refreshing , showers _pf rain, which have generally been followed by warmth and sunshine. ''These , sholyers, which are undoubtedly of the greatest service •to the , potato, turnip, and graia crops, we, are. afraid have come at too late a period to be of- any benefit to seed grass, as the operations of the scythe , have com menced in. many places. It is only on poor soils, we understand, that .the wheat,,creps. have, at all suffered, ~from the drought,, and, now that we have been so plentifully Nisited., with ,rain, even. on these soils Janch of the grain crops will partially re cover,-_--Cumber/and . Parquet, June 18. A. .few slight showork.of rain fell on Saturday forenoon, and the wind eontinued breezy from the west during. the day. .In the afternoon, however, there , was, no rain, and Sunday, in addition to , being Airy, was. likewise warm, .and altoge ther a_ choice day for,tbe ,cduntry. - ,Yesterday exhibited another change,.kind,was the ,most ,constantly wet "day we' have experienced this season.-- G/a sgaw Courier - June 16.; LAALEXTABLE dre a dful case of self-. destruction was cemmitted by. Mrs. Rannah Wilmot, widow lady 'of fortune who had been for some time re siding in this island, early on Saturday:morning last,. :at the inn kept,by Mr. Barry,..at Saviour's, where the deceased had lodgings. .Mrs.. Wilmot.. had been for a considerable period in ti . distressing state of. mind, and Was; in .eonsequence, carefully. watched V- a female I Attendant ; . but the, latter having occasion to leave the deceased's bed -roost for a'. few minutes, the deceased astened the: door. of. the apartn 3 enti and .al most kerne-. 'diately threw herself out:, of .the windows whereby sh e - 'lustained. iWu ri es which ,shortly. terlaillated,llier tence. An inquest was held by the Royal Qourt,cin-Sa- Aerday at noon, when • bearing_ the: depositions of wit :news; a, verdict Was. returned that • inede eesae d h a d committed • the . fatal act. whilst suftirtg : und e r a fit • of delirium tremens:--Guernsey -St ar , . ..POTU!..A.TIOIt or NEW. SOUTH WALES.--A report, just issued by 'the Legislative Councilnf this colony (in :eluding Port Philip), -months there has been an. is that nere increase t in n on th e e y T e u ar pti a la n t d iol i i iin o o f 14,357, or 9.59 per cent, as on the:3lst December, 1841, Ltheitotal population wa5.149,669, whilst on the 30th Sep- , 7 tember;:lB43, it was 184;020. On. the adult population =dare Iris during the first nine months a decrease, caused tythe - excess °Meath* and departures, over inunigation, of 664.: Amongst other int erestingfac ts, the report shows 41 gradual correction of that inequality of,the .Sole 6 which has always formed the great moral .blot on - the social constitution of the colony., fur whereas therincrease on males was 1,940,..that offemales. was 2,127, -, being se c x . -cess -of 257. In .184 L the -proportion. was 10.:Inaleti 5,57 feinales .; in 1842, 10 males to 5.9 , 1 females •; and in 184ii_tkerolVere malesAo-6.91 females. ;-;lts the years, 184.2 aud.1843 there was. aniegreaae,-,,0f trzs. .. per,co , 44 _ ,ot , and. 14.9& of femalesibeing , l3.32..peravea3 'Your of the'lattert ormorelhairdnuhle 40 rasa -411 r r ~`~ '2! _PARLIAMENTARY Dffii)l,l,- . ~„ .( Front the _Votes and Proceedings of the IfouliVaAnoti.l • - • WEDNESDAY, JUNE 19. • VESTRIES IN CHURCHES BILL. - Order for. Committee read ; Motion made, and Question: propeed, " That:Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair:"— Amendineos.prOposed, to leave out from the word " That" to the end of the Question, - in order to add the words `" this House will, upon this day six months, resolve itself into Hie said Committee," instead thereof :--Question at, " That the words preposed to be left out stand part of the Question :" The House divided : MAJORITY—AYES, 87. ?Lelan d, si r T. D. Glatistot.e, W. E. Peel, Jonathan AoLsnd. T. D. Guidkurn, Henry Plumptre, J. p. A dare. Lord Graham, Sir James Pussy, Philip Mix, John Peter Greene, 'P. Rashleigb, Wm. _ Asteil, William Grimsditch_ , Thomas Rolleston, Colonel i Baird, William Grogan, Edward Round, Charles Gray . Baring. W. B. Hanmer, Sir John Rusbbrooke, Colonel Baskerville, TB. M. ileathcote, Sir W, Sandon, Lord Blaekiforie, W. S. • Heneage, OW. Shaw, F. Borthwick Peter • Henley, J. W. Sheppard, T. Betfield, , Berish • Hepburn ' Sir T.D. Shirley, Evelyn J. Bruges. W. H. L Herbert , Sydney Shirley, E. P. Buck, Lewis W. Hodgson. R . Smith, Rt. Hon. T. a C Buckley, Edmund Houldsworth, T. Somerset, Lord 0, Buller, Sir J. Yards Hughes, W. B. Sotheron. T. H, Chelsea, Lard Jenayn, Earl Stanley, Lord Clerk, Sir George Johnstone, Hope Stanley, Edward Clive, R. H. LeCroy, Anthony Sutton, Hon. H M. Cochrane, Alex. Legh, G. C. Thesiger, F. . C Colvtle, . Robert Lockhart, William Tollemache,;John Courtenay, Lord Long. Walter Trench, Sir F. W. EriPtm, William Lowther, Hon. Col. Verner, Colonel Ptarby, George Mackinnon, W. A. Vesoy, Hon. Thomas Dickinson.' F.'H. Manners, Lord J. Walsh, Sir John Egertoin, W. T. blasterman, John Whitmore, T. C. %lay Lord M oonse t', T. P. Wodehouse, E. Fellowes, Edward lllildmay , H, St. J. Young, John .Flower, Sir James . _Nicholl. J. TELLERS. Fuller. A. E. Norreys, Lord O'Brien, A. Stafford 'Haskell, James 51, Peel, Sir Robart ' Denison, E. Beckett MINORITY—m:IEB, 71 'Aldan% William Fielden, J. Price, R iArdhbOld, Robert Ferguson, Sir R. A. Rawdon, J. D. lArrostrorg, Andrew Guest, Sir John - Ricardo, J. L. Bannerman. A. Hawes, B. - Roebuck, J. A. E. - Sarnard,G. " Hill, Lord Marcus Ross, D. It. , Barron; Sir H. • Howard, C. G. W. Rous, Hon. Captain H:Bellew, IL IL Howard. P. H. S cott, R obert Bouverie, E. P. Humphery, J. Seale, Sir J. Henry Bowes, J. • ' Lemon, Sir C. Shell, R. L. Brothertozi, J. M`Geachy, F. A. - Stanley, W. 0, Chapman ' Benjamin Maher, N. St ans ti e ld, W . R. Christie,' W. D. Martin John fliornely, 1110Tila. • Collett. John Mitchell, T. A. Vivian, J. H. • W . Cowper, Hon. W F Morris , David Wakley. Thainz.s Craig, W 0. ' Morrison, James Wall, C. Daring "Denison, John Evelyn Murphy, F: S. Wallace, Robert Divett; E. • O'Brien, J.. Watson, \V. IL E Duncan,' Lord . O'Connell, Maurice Wawn, Johit T. , Duncan, Georile Ogle, S. C. H. White, Henry Dundas, Admiral Paget, Frederick Williams, W; ' Easthope, Sit John • Palmerston, Vlsct. Wyse, Thomas Eeeott, fliekharn Pechell, Captain Yorke, H. - Redhead Esmonde, Sir T. • Philips, G R TELLERS. -Evans. W. Philips. M. . Duncombe. T. S. . Ewan, ,W. . Pluithidge, Captaln" Hume, Josep Question ,i a gain proposed, " That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair : —Whereupon Motion made, and Question put. "That this H ouse d o now adjourn :" The House divided : -- - - - AIINORITY—AYES, 75. • Aglionby H. A. Famonde. Sir T. Rawdon, J. D. Armstrong, Sir A. Ewart, William Rous, Hon. Captain Bannerman, A. Feilden, J. Scholefield, J. Barnard, E. G. Fitzroy, Hon. H S cot t, R. • Barron, H. W Guest, Sir JOhn Seymour Lord Bellew, R.ll. Hawes, B: . Sheil, R.' 1.. ~Berkeley,,.-H. F. Howard, C. %V. G. Stanley, Hon W. Bouverie, r.. P. Humphery, John Stansneld, W. It c Bowes, John Leader, - .1. T. Thornely, Thomas Ilrotherton, J. M'Geachv, F. A. Tutnell, Henry ' Buller, Sir J. Y. .?daher, Nicholas Villiers, Charles 0 BuSfeild, W. Martin, John Vivian, .1. H. . . claapman ' B. Mitchell, T. A. Vivian, Captain - Christie, W. D. Morris, David Wakley, 'llamas Collett, John Morrison James Wall, Charles E. Cowper; Hon. W. Murphy, F. S. Wallace, R. Craig, W. Gibson Napier, Sir Chart. Ward, H. G. Dawson,. Hon. T. V. O'Brien, J. Watson, NV. H Derflson,'J. E.- 'O'Connell, M. Wawn, J. T. Dennistoun, J. O'Connell, M. J. Williams,T. P. Divett, Edward. Ogle, S. C. H. Wood, Charles DUncap,..Viscount . Paget, F. Wyse, Thomas Duncan, George Palmerston, Vis. Yorke, R. H. . Dundas, Admiral Pechell, Captain TYLLI VA Easthape,Slr John Philips, M. flume, Joseph Slott, Bichkans Plumridge, Captain Roebuck, J. A. • ... • • MAJORITY—NOES, 83. • Acland, Sir Thomas Graham, Sir James Peel, Jonathan Acland, T. D Greene, T. Pusey, Philip Adare, Lord_• Grimsditch, Thomas Rashleigh, William Al!ix, John Peter Grimston, Lord Reid, Sir John R. Baird, William Grogan, Edward Rolleston Colonel Baring, Hon W. !I Raiford, H. Rushbrooke,Colonol Baskerville, T. B. Ai Hamilton, Lord C. Sandon, Viscount Bateson, Thomas Hantner, Sir John Shaw, Frederick Berkeley, C. Heneage, G. W. Shirley, E. J. Blackstone W. Henniker, Lord Shirley, E. T. Buckley, Edmund Herbert, Hon. S. Smith, T. B C. Clerk, Sir George Hodgson, Richard limonett, Alexander Clive, R. H. Hope, G. W. Somerset, Lord G. Cochrane, A, Houldsworth, T. Sotheron, T. H Colvile, C. R. James , Sir W. C. Stanley, Lord Courtenay,Visconnt Jermyn, Lord Sutton, Hon. H. M. Cripps, • W.• Darby, George Lefroy, Anthony Thesiger, F. Lincoln, Earl of Tollemache, J. Dickinson, F. H. Lockhart, William Trench, Sir Frederick Eliot, Lord M'Neill, Duncan Verner, Colonel Farnham, E. B. Manners Lord J. Verey, - lien.T. Forrand. W. B. March, Earl of Vivian, John Ennis Flower, Sir James Marsham, Viscount Walsh, Sir John Fremantle, Sir T. Martin, C.:W. Whitmore, T. C Fuller, A. E. Mastcrman, John - Wodehouse, Hon. El Gaskell, James Milne Maunsell, T. P. Young, John Gladstone W E. Newdegate, C. N. TELLERW. Oladstone , J. N. Nicholl, John Denison, E. Becket Goulburn,H. Peel, Sir Robert O'Brien, A. IL ASYLUM fgr AGED and DECAYED !FREEMASONS. The ninth anniversary. festival, in aid of the Rinds of this Institution, took place on Wednesday night, at the Freemasons' Hall, Great Queen-street. - At six o'clock a hundred and thirty , gentlemen, the majority bein g members of " the craft,' sat down to an excellent dinner, under the able presidency of the Hon. Colonel Anson, li.P. The gallery was graced by the presence of a num ber of ladies, who were also entertained at a collation in a room contiguous thereto. After the usual loyal toasts had been disposed of, The CHAIRMAN rose to propose what both he and the company must consider the toast of the evening— namely, " Prosperity to the Asylum for Aged and Decayed Freemasons."—(Loud cheers.) In proposing this toast, he wished to be allowed to make a few re marks. He should not have presumed to fill the chair on the present occasion but for the kindness of those gentlemen who had urged him to do so. Ile had thought that be was not the most proper person to explain the merits of this Institution—with which fact he had himself so recently become acquainted. It was to the kindness of those gentlemen who had invited hint to fill the chair, that the fact of his being in that posi tion must be attributed, and not to any merits of his own. —(Cheers,) He felt, however, much indebted to them for having introduced him to the knowledge of an Insti tution which had for its object the provision of comforts for the declining years of those who had neither tilt! power nor the means of obtaining it for themselve,— (Cheers.) The originators of the Institution had hid to contend with difficulties of no ordinary character ; a n d to less ardent and less generous supporters those difficul ties might have appeared insurmountable—(Cheers)— but he trusted now that the day would soon arrive when. difficulties would no longer exist. The other charities had received and deserved high praise, but charity did not always stop at one particular point ; indeed, it had 'no limits in the breasts of the truly benevolent.— (Cheers.) The charitable institutions of' this country excited the admiration of every foreigner who visited us, and was it not natural that so ancient a body as the Freemasons were, and so distinguished for their exec. Lions tions in the cause of benevolence, should be anxious tor the foundation of an asylum for, the decayed membe rs o f a brotherhood which united the inhabitant s o f every .cfulirintheeranpaeretivneernytcoobusnetz• observations —(Loudhecheers.)character After Institution, the lion. Chairman concluded by promising it all the support in his power for the future, and gave the tout, which was drunk with three times throe and much enthusiasm. The healths of the Hon. Chairman, of Dr. Crncefix, the Treasurer, and of the Stewards, were subsequently given, and dqlyhononred. From the report, which was read by Dr. Crucefix, it appeared that the funds of the Institution had now advanced to the sum of 3,6001., which, with the sum of 4001. collected during the evening, raised their total amount to 4,oool.—the amount which,' in the original project of the Asylum, it was agreed must be obtained before the building of the Asylum should be com menced ; and this desirable goal .having been reached, it is expected the erection of the edifice will shortly be commenced. Among the company, we noticed the Rev. Dr. Knapp. the Rev. Dr. Slade, the Rev. S. Ramsey, Brothers W. Shaw,. .T Lan., G. Philipe, Robert Bell," W. Eccles, J. L. Stevens, J. C. Fourdrinier, T. Pryer, Z. Watkins, and -M. Sangster. 1 The announcement of Brother Benjamin Bead Cabbeli, its 'the Chairman for the ensuing year, was warmly welcomed. h e arm olly o e n r s , The musical arrangements were of c haracter . of unusual excitement. Among the professional ladies and gentlemen present were Mrs. Ch at fie ld , the Mi sses Turner, Mrs. Seguin, Signor For:moan, Signor Einiii sn i , i s l e4 egrl in a th 3 e ir en . : l o; n nent U c r i f Signor Brizzi. Signor wpas Mr. Jolly, Mr. Crouch, and Mr. Kingal?ury, The evening and good fellowship, and it was not until latelour that the company dispersed. Tils CUSTOMS .FRAUDS.--. 8. great many of the Culstoms officers have been subpoenaed on the part of th• ci . art, to give evidence at the trials in the Court of the Ex chequer against Candy and Deane, for participation in the recent frauds on the revenue. The absence of so many offi cers f r om duty during the present pressure of business, has 'caused very great inconvenience to the department, and the Board of Customs have deemed it necessary to require the of ficial attendance of some of the principal officers of the Land ing Department who were on leave of absence. DEATH WHILE BATIIING.—On Tuesday evening Mr. Higgs held an Invest at the Crown, Green-street. Leicester-square, on view of the body of William Sadler Forsdiek, aged nineteen. Brook Foredick, of No. 10%, Church-street, Battersea (deceased's brother), stated the' between four and five o'clock on Friday morning lay . be and deceased, and a young man named Ponden, !wet ou t in n boat on the river, near Battersea Church, to bathe. Having got into the middle of the river, Ponden un dressed and jumped out of the boat int o th e water. De ceased followed him. He and Ponden were both good swimmers. When deceased jumped into the water liw rose and began swimming, but suddenly appeared to be struggling in the water and sinking. Witness called out, to Ponden that deceased was sinking, and Ponden ;e x _ mecliately swam to deceased's assistance, but •befflee he could reach him deceased had sunk. Witness dirk not go into the water himself at all. It seemed t 4 'him as if deceased had suddenly been seized with emmp, but be had never bathed in an open stream before. The tide was running very strong at the time. Deceased might. have been frightened. Deceased was apprenticed to it pawnbroker. His father is a miller, residing at •81. 4er . sea. • George P o nden, of Church-street, Batt e ry c roborated the evidence. He was about thirty yr: " seeas d Ards'ti °r° deceased when he sank. The body of de . r ott anger found on Monday a ft ernoon last, floatine• e ford-market pier. It was immediately T--_eyea to St, ( Martin's Workhouse.—Yerdiet, " A c cidentally drowuedr while bathing." aterloo banquet in The 2 411 'the tZ:eount of the W ''' 73 ": of Wednesday, the Duke Ai' Wellington is stated to hays tpen the health of Colonel Macdonald. It 'should have been•Lieuteuant-Geuero §k James Ataedenell. • • ih