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SECOND EDITION. SUN OFFICE, Sc en o • Clock. THE LOYDON GAZE fTE THIS EVENING. LORD CHAMBERLAIN'S-OFFICE, AUGUST 10, 1836. The Rev. John Rye Wood has been appointed, be the King's command, Rezideut Deputy Clerk of the Closet to his -Majesty. ST. JAMES'S-PALACE, Jur.r 5. The King has been pleased, on the nomination of the Right Hon Lord Foley, to appoint David William Davidson, Esq., one of his Majesty's Honourable Corps of Gentlr men at Arms, vice Layburn. ST. JAMES'S PALACE, Arc. 10. The King was this day pleased to confer the honour of Knight hood upon Col. P. Lindsay, Companion of the Most Honourable Military Order of the aith, and 'Military Knight Commander of the Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order. WHITEHALL, AUG. 9. The King has been pleased to give and grant unto the Most Noble Charles Duke of Richmond and Lennox, Knight of the most Noble Order of the Garter, and one of his Ma jesty's Most Honourable Privy Councit, son and heir of Charles late Doke of Richmond and fennox (also Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter), by Charlotte Duchess of Richmond and Lennox, his wife, eldest daughter of Alexander, late Duke of Gordon, arid sister and co-heir of George Duke of Gordon, a Ge neral in the Army, and Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Military Order of the Bath, lately deceased, his Majesty's Royal li cense and authority that he and his issue may, in testimony of re spect for the noble family of Gordon, henceforth assume, take, and use the sur n ame of Gordon, in addition to and before his and their own family surname of Lennox: and also to co mman d t h at h i s Majesty's concession and declaration be registered in the College of Arms. WAR-OFFICE, A UG. 12. 2d Regiment of Dragoon Guards—W. O. Charlton, Gcnt.; to be Cornet, by purchase, vice Wilkinson, who retires, Aug. 12. 2d Regiment of Foot—Lieutenant and Quartermaster J. Moore to be Lieutenant, vice Halley, appointed Quartermaster ; Lieute -nant W. H. S. Hadley to be Quartermaster, vice Moore. appointed Lieutenant, Aug. 12. 6th Foot—R. Cole, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Wheatstone, appointed to the 35th Regiment of Foot, Aug. 12. 9th Foot—M. Griffin, Gent., to be Assistant-Surgeon, vice Burt, promoted in the 78th Regiment of Foot, August 12. 55th Foot—W. H. Fairtl oug h, G ent., to be Ensign, by pur chase, vice Gibbens, who retires, August 1 9 . 72d Foot—LiPut. E. J. F. Kelso, to he Captain, by purchase, v i ce Logic, who re ti res ; Ensign T. E. Pollard tobe Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Kelso; J. C. Harris, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Pollard, August 12. 96th Foot--Licut. E. Hathaway to be Captain, by purchase, vice Telford, who retires ; Ensign W. P. Lewes to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Hathaway ; Gentleman Cadet F. J. Hugonin, from the Royal Military College, to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Lewes, Aug. 12. Rifle Brigade—R. Jameson, M.D., to be Assistant-Surgeon, vice White, promoted in the 7th Light Dragoons, Aug. 12. Ist West India Regiment.—A. Campbell, gent., to be Assistant- Surgeon, vice Bruce, deceased, Aug. 12. UNATTACHED. Lieutenant W. Beaks, from the 78th Regiment of Foot, to be Captain, without purchase, August 12. HOSPITAL STAFF. Staff-Surgeon H. Franklin, from the half-pay, to be Surgeon to the Forces, August 12. MEMORANDUM. The data of the commission of Lieut. F. S. Holmes, in the Bth Regiment of Foot, is July 6, 1835, and not August 28, 1835. The Christian names of Ensign Butcher, of the Royal African Colonial Corps, are John Alexander. . - The Christian name of Ensign and Lieutenant Lord Blantyre, o the Grenadier Regiment of Foot Zuards, is Charles only. OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, Aire. 9. Royal Regiment of Artillery—Second Lieutenant W. Render san t) be First Lieutenant, vice R. Cockburn, deceased, July 13. Commission Signed by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Kent. East Kent Regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry.—The Hon. G. A. F. P. Smyth to be Cornet, July 29th. DECLARATION OF INSOLVENCY. JOHN VICKRY JOSE, coal-merchant, Reeds, Cornwall. BANKRUPTS. JONATHAN TUSSELL, currier, Old-street, to surrender, August 22, at one, and September 23, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Fry, Cheapside ; Turquand, official assignee, Cop thall- buildings. WILLIAM WILES, jun., pawnbroker, York-row, Kenning ton-road, Surrey, Aug. 19, at two, and Sept. 23, at half-past twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Belcher, official assignee ; Sharp, Devonshi re -t errace , High-street, Maryfebone. ROBERT BROOMFIELD, tailor, St. John-street-road, Clerkenwell, Aug. 23, at half-past twelve, and Sept. 23, at half •past eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. T. M. Alsager, Official Assignee, Birchin-lane ; Knox, Hart-street, Bloomsbury. THOMAS WRIGHT, junior, ship-owner, Newcastle-upon- Tyne, Aug. 30, and Sept. 23, at one, at the Bankrupt Commis 'ion-Room, Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Tinley, North Shields; Holme, Frampton, and Loftus, New Inn, London. CHARLES JOHN CHAPMAN, corn-dealer, George-street, Croydon, Surrey, August 23, and September 23, at half-past one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Groom, Abchureh-lane, official as signee ; Gresham and Miller, Castle-street, Holborn. COURSE OF EXCI-14 , Amsterdam C.F. 12 5 Ditto, at sight Rotterdam 2U. 12 5% Antwerp... Hamburg. ....... ........ M.B l3 13 Altena..... Paris, 3 days' sight 25 50 Ditto ....................:2 Us 9.5 80 Marseilles. , 23 80 Frankfort on Maine, Ex.M 152% Petersbuigh, rub1e.......3 Us lO 0 Berlin Vienna, effective fl () M lO 10 Trieste......ditto lO 11 Madrid 174 C.uliz 37% Bilhoa 17 Barcelona '16.4 IS , !..rille '363' .NGE._/THIS DAY.) Leghorn 0414 Genoa .. 25 SO Milan '3l Venice 47 Naples 4014 Palermo per oz. 121% Lisbon 56 Oporto 56 Rio Janeiro 301,, , ,, Bahia 26 I Buenos Ayres Dublin, '2 1 days' sight l3, Cork l% PRICE OF BULLION, PER OZ. Portugal fold, coin £0 0 0 Foreign Gold, in bars 3 17 10% New Dcalbloons New Dollars Silver, bars, standard 0 0 0 Gibraltar 48 IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. Mr. BROTH E RTON brought uirthe report on the West minster Small Debts Bill. Mr. OSWALD presented two petitions from the proprie tors and lessees of print and dye works in Scotland, complain ing of the report of the Select Committee on the Salmon Fishery (Scotland), and praying that no proceedings might be taken upon it. He understood a Bill was to be introduced that evening, with a clause affecting the rights of the peti tioners, and he hoped the House would object to it. Mr. P. M. STEWART, as Chairman of the Committee,would - not then enter into a discusSipn of the merits of the clause in question. The proper time fit doing so would be when the Bill he would that night introduce came before the House next session ; then he and other Members of the Com mittee would be prepared to support the clause in ques tion. He would now only assure the Hon. Member that salmon were as nice as to their water as were the punch drinkers of Glasgow.—(A laugh.) Mr. A. TREVOR presented a petition from the proprietors of a Joint Stock Banking Company, praying that private banks might be subjected to the same investigation as they Were. Mr. KEMP presented a petition, praying for a Ten Hours' Factory Bill. Mr. SHAW woul(I not trouble the House now upon the subject, as he had 'already stated his opinions, and the House bad thought prever to adopt them. Upon the motion of Mr. LYNCH a Conference was agreed to with the Lords upon the amendments. Mr. WILKS postponed the presentation of the petition of which he had given notice till next session. ADJOURNMENT OP THE HOUSE'. Mr. BARING moved that the House at its rising should ad•ourn to 12 o'clock to-morrow. 'Air. AGL lONBY wished to know what was the particular business for which that motion was made; it was a most un usual day for the House to sit, and a most unusual hour. Mr. BARING said it was for the purpose of disposing of the r oblic business, and taking unopposed Bills. Mr. AGLIONII Y wished to know whether it would be competent for other Members as well as himself to proceed with Bills that had been only partly carried through. Sir JOHN HOBHOUSE made a few observations which were totally inaudible in the gallery. Mr. TREVOR wished to know whether unopposed Bills alone were to be taken, or whether opposed ones would also be proceeded with. Mr. BARING said if the House sat to-morrow it would of course be in the power of any Member to endeavour to bring forward any measure he might think proper. The subject then dropped. MAiiRIAGE BILL. Lord PALMERSTON presented a petition from the Dis senters of Wimbourne, in Hampshire, in favour of the Marriage and Registration Bills, and praying for the total abo f chtr:ch rates. STAMP DUTIES BILL. Mr. WALTER said he was under the necessity of call. ing the attention of the House to an occurrence that took place yesterday. Ho had come down to that House at half.. past four o'clock, the usual hour of commencing public busi -ness, with the intention of addressing a few words to the House upon the second reading of the Stamp Duties Bill. He found to his utter surprise that the Bill had been read a third time, and many Members who, even at that early hour, had come before himself, were utterly ignorant that the Bill had passed. The Bill stood in the middle of the Government notices, but it was picked out first ; and though, undoubtedly, on the prec e di ng n i ght it was understood that the usual forma lities would be dispensed with, yet it did not from thence follow that an opportunity would not have been afforded for offering some suggestions before the Bill should pus. He should appeal to the justice of the House, when the grossest personal reflections had been cast upon a Member of that House elsewhere, if they would stop the mouth of that Member if he attempted to reply, or at least to explain. He did not intend yesterday, nor did'he to-day, to take credit for the suggestions he had offered on the night when the former Stamp Duty Bill passed through that House; hut he conceived, that in consequence of those suggestions, ha had been personally attacked, and much obloquy had been cast upon him, which he hoped that House would give him an op portunity of repelling. From the report he had seen, the per son who had used those expressions appeared to have intimated that the operation of that most unjust law which had now been excluded from the Stamp Duty Bill, might, perhaps, have bad the effect of impeaching his (Mr. Walter's) veracity, or giving pain to his vanity, by the discovery that he had been con. nected with the press. 'He could say with respect to such im peachment of his veracity, if such an insinuation had been in tended, that it was in itself a l'alsellood.—( Hear.) No dis covery could be made that could have impeached his veracity, but, on the contrary, would have shotvn the utter ignorance of him who sought to impeach it. It could not h are bdured his 'vanity, because he had never disavowed that, at one period of his life, he did conduct a public journ a l, whi c h had been sometimes alluded to in that House ; on the contrary, he had felt then as he would now, proud of such an applica tion of those talents, be they more or less, which Providence had blessed him with.---( A laugh.) It had been also said that his origin was humble. He only wished the person who bad made use of that expression had looked back to the founder of his own tamily—a humble practitioner in the law neither had any one member of his race been distin guished by any act, until his Majesty, unfortunately as he (Mr. Walter) thought, had called him to his councils. But if the secresy of their private lives were to be invaded, and laid before the public, he trusted that his accuser would be found to have been the more foolish fellow of the two.— (Great laughter, and cries of hear, hear.) He moved the question of which he had given notice, namely, that the hour at which business was to commence should be stated in the public notices as well as the hour at which Mr. Speaker was to take the chair; but as he had merely given notice of this in order to bring forward a matter personal to himself, he should withdraw the motion. Colonel SIBTHORP rose, but was interrupted by The SPEAKER, who asked the Hon. and Gallant Mem bcr if he intended to move any thing? Colonel SIBTHORP replied in the negative, and imme diately sat down. TRADE WITH JAVA. Mr. P. M. STEWART had to bring before the House the substance of a petition of great importance to the mercantile interests of the country, which had been presented by him on the `ith June ; and he regretted that so important a peti tion had been presented at so late a period of the session. It had been signed by all the principal manufacturers and mer chants of Glasgow in the course of a few hours, and it related to the conduct of the Dutch with regard to the Colony of Java, ceded to them by the English in 1814. The petition set forth the particular agreement that had been entered into with them on that cession, and which was most favourable to the trade of England, from the liberal way in which she had given up the colony; but the terms of that agreement had been violated in such a way as to have almost destroyed the trade of England with that colony. The petitioners con. eluded by praying that steps would be taken to put an end to a system which was derogatory to the character of this country, and most injurious to her commercial interests. It appeared that in 1811 the island of Jiva had been taken from the Dutch, it being then under the same Government as the Cape of Good Hope, taken in the same war, and it was afterwards ceded to the Dutch, they pay- ing a million sterling for what was termed in domestic parlance the fixtures of the island. The principle laid down in the Treaty was, that all goods coming in Dutch ships should pay a duty of six per cent. and all goods coming in other ships 8 per cent. That arrange. ment had been made in 1816. In the year 1818, the Dutch Commissioners being jealous of the trade the English were carrying on, raised the per centage on goods brought by Dutch vessels to 8 per cent,, and on all others, including English, to 16 per cent. Notwithstanding that the English still kept the lead, and a proclamation was issued by the Governor, taking off all the duty on goods imported in Dutch vessels, and leav ing the duty of 16 per cent. upon English and other goods ; even after this disadvantage two-thirds of the trade remained in the hands of the English, which raised the jealousy of the Dutch to such a pitch, that in 1824 the then notorious Gover nor, by proclamation, raised the duties upon English goods to 24 per cent., while the whole was taken off Dutch goods ; and this high duty was not imposed only upon those goods which were afterwards imported, but actually on those then in bond in the island. Then came the treaty of March, 1824, the violation of which was complained of by every merchant and manufacturer in England. That treaty was founded upon the basis of free trade. It provided that the duty levied on English goods should not be more than double that imposed upon Dutch goods, and that where there was no duty upon Dutch goods the English should pay no more than 6 per cent. Now the Dutch goods were free, and English goods were burdened with a duty of 25 per cent., which prove the mode of levying it was raised to from 30 to 40 per cent. The merchants now came and prayed the Manse and the Government to have that treaty faithfully acted upon. He had read word for word of that treaty, which was, of all treaties entered into by this country, the one that ought to be the least misunderstood. The object of that treaty was free trade, and lie was sure his Noble Friend would give it. He was sorry to say that the feeling that existed before that treaty existed now ; in fact, the mercantile interests of the country had been duped, which he was sure they would not be much longer by the exertions of the Noble Lord and his Right Honourable Friend the Secretary of the Board of Trade. The question now was, whether the Dutch Treaty, which had laid down for their own interpretation that the flag was to re gulate the principle and not the origin of the goods, was to be carried into effect or not. They had interpreted the Treaty in another manner, however; when they wished to encourage the manufactures of Ghent, they raised the duty on all the articles which were manufactured in this country. He would only ask the Noble Lord to satisfy not himself, but the great commercial and manufacturing interests of this coun try, by telling them that they should have not only redress ,for the future with regard to this great and growing trade, which amounted to many millions, but also that they should have compensation for the past, for the unjust and unfair way in which they had been treated by the Dutch Government. He was sure that the Noble Lord would not only insist upon satisfaction, but that practically British interests would be vin dicated, and that they should hear no more of such flagrant violations of the rights of their fellow subjects, and of the dig nity of the Crown. He would conclude by moving as an amendment to the Order of the Day, that the petition pre sented on the 27th of June be taken into consideraton. Lord PALMERSTON said that his Hon. Friend had un doubtedly called the attention of the House to a very great grievance which this country had sustained from the hands of the Dutch Government.—( Hear, bear.) It could not be de nied that for a course of years the Dutch Government had distinctly violated the stipulations of a solemn treaty. (Loud cheers.) As his Honourable Friend had so well explained in what those violations consisted, he (Lord P.) would not intrude upon the House, or take up their time in recapitulating that complete and clear explanation. He had stated most justly and truly that, whereas by the Treaty all articles chartered by British subjects in British ships should pay a certain duty in proportion to the duty imposed upon articles imported in Dutch ships—in those eases the Dutch authorities had exacted from British subjects a higher amount of duty than by the treaty they were authorised to exact. This subject had been matter of representation from the British , . Government for a greatnumber of y ears p as t, an d t h ere f ore hi s s Hon. Friend was entitled to come to that House to ask some explanation on the part of the Government to satisfy him that there was a fair prospect that the grievances of our fellow subjects in this respect would be redressed, and that the time had arrived at which this House ought to interfere to obtain redress.-(Hear, hear.) He thought he would satisfy the Honourable Gentleman that at present no step was required to be taken by the House, because he believed he was at present in a condition to state to his Honourable Friend, that of late a disposition had been manifested by the DutcheGovernment to do justice in this matter. The Dutch Government at last having been forced to admit that the practice which had been pursued of levying duties was not consistent with the treaty, they wished to render the practice, at least in one reepect, conformable to the treaty, and that a proper proportion of duties should be established. Where our Government paid 25 per cent. the Dutch would pay 124, and where the Dutch paid no duty at all we should only pay 6 per cent. But there was one subject of difference existing between the two Governments. The Dutch Government had declared that they interpreted the treaty as establishing a criterion of the difference of duties— the nationality of the articles imported. He contended on the other hand, that the criterion for the difference of duty was not the nationality of the articles imported, but the na tionality of the merchants, and ships by which the articles were imported--( Hear.) Whether the one interpretation or the other would be most in favour of tho industry and interests of this country he would not take upon himself to determine. He agreed with his lion. Friend that the English Govern ment, in restoring the colony of Java to the Dutch, had done an act of splendid national generosity—( Hear, hear) — because the Dutch would have no right to complain if the British Government, having taken the island in a war in which Holland was opposed to us had retained possession of it. His Hon. Friend was, he thought, entitled to say that the Dutch Government had not shewn that they entertained a proper sense of the generosity of England is systematically and for so long a period of time depriving us of those national advantages which had been conferred by the treaty of 1824. It was often a reproach to the Dutch that in the conduct of of their colonial possessions, they were actuated by a narrow view to their own interests, which was not creditable to their national character. Wherever they had colonies they were the most exclusive of all monopolists. Of that principle, which was more or less the policy of every nation, they had no right to complain, but they certainly had when a nation de parted from those engagements which she had most solemnly pledged herself to fulfil. A negociation had been entered into with the Duteh Government, and lie by no means despaired that they should succeed in obtaining redress ; and that their trade would be carried on in strict accordance with the terms of the treaty. That being the case, he w as sure his Hon. Friend and the House would feel that it would be not only departing from the usual practice of Parlia ment, but most inconvenient, if the House would inter fere between the Government and a pending negociation. If the Government succeeded in their object, it would be better than to have the interposition of Parliament. If they failed, it would be their duty to lay before Parliament what l i i i a e d %traakse,np however, lce,and then ask f or th e i r op i n i on on the matter. encouraged to hope, front the manner in which the negotiations had lately been conducted, that Holland would act with good faith, and would do full justice to England. Mr. HUME was very glad his Hon. Friend had brought this matter before the House, for a grosser breach of engage went had never taken place, and lie thought the Government had been very negligent in not forcing its fulfilment. In 1824, he and Sir Charles Forbes told the Government of that day how vilely, they were deceiving themselves and the country. No treaty had ever been executed in India by Holland, and he then stated that it would not. In 1816, Lord Castlereagh gave away the most valuable possession we had in India. Java was the only island which could support herself, and yield a revenue. They ought to have waited the arrival of Sir Stamford Rat ifies, who was well acquainted with the whole subject. I n place of doing so, they acted with guilty participation, and gave up one of the most valuable of our conquests. Six months did not go by after the passing of that treaty be., rim,. SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, AUGUA 12, 1836; tore it was violated; the Governme7e; tl.tt'erdYe, Must be con sidered to blame for el! , :014 sack things to be. He believed that the Go,,ertiMerit of this country had by their diplomatic agent's conceded more dim America would have done, as he felt convinced if the treaty had been entered into with that country they would have insisted upon it being performed. In his opinion, the Government ought to withdraw their diplomatic agent.—( Cheers.) He believed, that although no country ever paid more for diplomatic agents than this, that none had had their commerce so little protected. He hoped that ere Parliament met again, there would be something decisive dime upon the subject. Mr. IZ eStNsoN thought that the Hon. Member for TAncatter would do well to follow the advice of the Noble Lord opposite, and not persevere in his motion. He trusted the Government would perform that duty which the commercial intersts of the country required of them. If the Hon. Gentleman should again bring the subject before the House, he could assure him he would have the support of all the eciumercial and manufacturing interests. Sir J. R. REID was intimately connected with the Island that had been alluded to, and he held in his hands letters which confirmed the statements that had been made. Mr. P. MAXWELL expressed his complete satisfaction at what the Noble Lord had stated to the House, and he knew the petitioners would be satisfied with the Noble Lord's fair and open explanation. CIVIL BILL COURTS (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. LYNCH appeared at the Bar, and informed the Speaker that the Lords had appointed a Conference with the Commons, to take place in Committee-room No. 5, on the subject of the Lords' Amendments to the Civil Bill Cuurts (Ireland) Bill. Several Members then left the House for the purpose of holding the Conference. Mr. LYNCH, and the other Managers of the Conference, appeared at the Bar, and reported that they had left the Bill, and reasons for disagreement with the Lords. S'T'AMP DUTIES BILL. A message from the Lords reported that their Lordships had agreed to the Newspaper Stamp Duty Bill without any amendment.—( Cheers and laughter.) On the first Order of the Day being read, Colonel SIBTHORP ruse to move that Motions and Orders of the Day be taken on alternate days, in the order they stood on the paper. He was one of the most regular at tendants in the House, and he had a motion on the books since last session which lie had not been able to brillg on—besides, it was matter of very great inconvenience that the notices were taken so irregularly—no one ever knew what was to be brought on first; last night, after the first and second order, they had skipped over to the seventeenth, and then to the twenty-eighth. He was not one who would stand in the way of the Government business, but there ought to be sonic time and opportunity allowed for private Members to bring forward those motions which their consti tuents expected from them. He had been frequently been in the House up to twenty minutes past two o'clock in the morn ing, without ever having seen anything in the shape of a sand wich.--( A laugh.) It was very hard, in his opinion, to be kept in such total ignorance of what was to take place, when the Noble Lord had the opportunity of dropping from the Ist to the 26th Order of the Day. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that with respect to motions on Notice Days, they were always taken in regular suc cession; therefore, with respect to them, no motion was required. With respect to Orders of the Day, what the Honourable Member had proposed had never been adopted hitherto; there had always been an opportunity given to the Government to move any Order of the Day they pleased. It was not possible, in his opinion, to make any absolute rule on the subject, because there might be an Order of the. Day on some important adjourned debate, which would of course have to be taken first. At the same time he must say, that he thought the Hon. and Gallant Colonel had done all he could. He was of opinion, however, that , more notice should be given than there was. He had endea voured to arrange the thing as well as he could, as he had given his notices when the House was full. _ BENEFICES PLURALITIES' BILL. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that after considering the state of the question, and that in the end he should have to take the way of prolonging the session to a late period, or of running the risk of discussing this very important Bill in a thin House, he had come to the opinion that it would be better to postpone the consideration of the Benefices and Pluralities Bill till next Session. Mr. H UNIE did not deny that the Bill contained some very important reforms, but he hoped that before that House as sembled again, a branch of Church Reform most essen tial, viz. the uniting and separating of benefices so as to pro vide an adequate congregation for every living, would be taken into consideration by the Commissioners. Although he felt strong objection to the progress of this Bill, he could assure the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) that no man would more readily assist him in carrying into effect Reform when applied in its proper place. . . Lord SA Nb 0 N regretted that the opposition of some Hon. Members on the Ministerial side of the House had succeeded in preventing the passing of this measure. He hoped that those Hon. Members who had opposed this Bill would take an opportunity of reading this Bill, and of endeavouring to understand what it contained. He wished to know whether the Noble Lord (Russell) intended to abandon the Bill alto gether ? Lord J. RUSSELL by no means intended to abandon the Bill. (LEFT SITTING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The LORD CIikIiCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack a Five o'Clock. Mr. BERNAL and Others from the Commons brought up the Greek Loan Act Amendment Bill, and the Established Church Bill. Mr. LYNCH and Others from the Commons appeared at the Bar to desire a Conference with their Lordships on the Civil Bill Courts (Ireland) Bill. EDINBURGH, LEITH, AND NEWHAVEN RAILWAY. The Edinburgh, Leith, and Newhaven Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. NEWSPAPER STAMPS. Lord MELBOURNE moved that the Standing Orders be suspended as regarded the Newspaper Stamps Bill.— Agreed to. On the motion of the same Noble Lord the Bill was then read a second time, committed, reported, read a third time, and passed, without any observation. MUNICIPAL OFFICERS. The Municipal Officers Election Bill was read a first time, GREEK LOAN. The Greek Loan Bill was read a first time. Lord MELBOURNE gave notice that he should move the second reading on Monday. SLAVE COMPENSATION. The Slave Compensation Bill was read a third time and passed. The Usher of the Black Rod announced that the managers of the Commons were ready for the conference, and the fol lowing Peers were appointed to manage the conference on the part of the Lords, namely, the Duke of Richmond, Lord Westmeath, Lord Caledon, the Bishop of Bristol, Lord Mon son, Lord Fitzgerald, and another Noble Peer whose name we did not catch. On the raturn of the managers, The Earl of WESTMEATH moved that the Commons' reasons for disagreeing to their Lordships' amendments be taken into consideration. The reasons having been read, Lord PLUNKETT trusted that the Noble Lord (West meath) would not persevere in his amendment. It would he most prejudicial to the interests of the tenants, and would be most inconvenient in practice. After a few words from Lord WYNFORD, Lord FITZGERALD and VESCI would suggest to his Noble and Learned Friend near him not to insist upon the amendment. With every wish to co-operate with the Noble Lords with whom he had always acted, he thought, on this occasion, there were circumstances to justify their Lordships in departing from the principles which had always guided them in adhering to their amendments. (LEFT SITTING.) IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Auausr 11. ESTABLISHED CHURCH BILL. The Order of the Day being moved for taking into con sideration the Lords' amendments to the Established Church Bill, Mr. HUME still entertained the same objections to this Bill which be had before expressed. Mr. HALL must take that opportunity of expressing his regret that the Lords had struck out that part of the Bill which required that the Bishops and Clergy of the principality of Wales should be acquainted with the lan guage of the people. It was said by a Right Rev. Pre late in the other House that a knowledge of the lan guage was not necessary as regarded the Bishops, be cause they were not pastures populi, but pastures past(); rum. Now, this observation (lid not appear to him to have much weight, or to be founded on fact. In Confirmation, for instance, it was the duty of the Bishop to explain to the people the nature and the object of that rite ; and how could. he no so unless he was capable of addressing the people in that language which they alone understood ? It was one of the Thirty-nine Articles of the Church of England that to prenli in a language which the people did not under stand was contrary to the Word of God ; and yet here was the Archbishop of Canterbury appointing persons to discharge the duties of bishops in Wales who were utterly ignorant of the language. This, however, was not the only subject of complaint, for the bishops that were sent to his unfortunate country seemed to become immediately possessed with the most unbounded spirit of nepotism, and to devote the whole of their attention to the interests of their relations. Was it to be wondered at, under such circumstances, that Dissent was so widely spread in the prin cipality? What took place in the diocese of St. Asaph, under the late Bishop ? (Here the Hon. Member read a list of ecclesiastical and other situations held by the bishop's son both in Hereford and Wales, which, together with a profitable lease of land given him by his father, amounted to the sum of 6,135/. a year.) Altogether the income en joyed by the late bishop and his family was not less than 23,6751. a year.—(Hear.) In the diocese of Bangor and of St. David's the abuses were nearly as great, and all this while - the working clergy had scarcely enough to sustain life. It washy no means uncommon in Wales to see the clergyman who performed the labOrious duties of the parish work ing like a common labourer in the fields, while the person who received the emoluments was residing in some other diocese. He would mention, as an instance, his own parish. The incumbent derived an income from it of 9001. a year, and he never saw him ; he performed no spiritual duty in the parish, while the curate, with a large family, as curates generally had, received only 100/. a year, out of which he paid 101. rent, and was obliged to work in the fields to as sist in the support of his numerous family. Ile felt strongly upon this point, and so did the people of Wales. They thought it very hard that the Archbishop should he able to send down to them as a Bishop whomsoever he pleased, without knowing a single word of the language, which alone could enable him to discharge his spiritual duties as they ought to he discharged by a Christian clergyman. Here the discussion was interrupted by a message from the Lords, desiring a free ( onferenc with the Commons, on the subject matter of the last conference. The SPEAKER having announced to the messengers from the Lords, that. the Commons had agreed to the con ference, the names of the same Members who were ap pointed to manage the last conference were read over, as those who were to manage the conference now demanded. Mr. HUME wished to know how the names now read over were selected, or whether they were appointed by the Speaker ? The SPEAKER—They have been appointed by the House. Mr. HUAIE—I did not hear the names read over. I think it an unfair selection. The Members appointed to manage this conference represents only one opinion. Lord J. RUSSELL—The names now read are those of the Members who were appointed to manage the last con ference. Mr. T. DUNCO MBE moved that the name of Mr. Hume should be added to the list, and it was subsequently decided that the names of Messrs. Hume, Warburton, Ewart, and Wakley should be substituted for those of four members of the former conference, who did not now an swer to their names, namely, Sir J. C. Hobhouse, Mr. P. Thomson, Lord G. Somerset, and another Hon. Member, whose name we could not learn. They immediately proceeded to No. 5 committee-room, accompanied by all the members present, with the excep tion of Mr. Mangles, and another Hon. Member, who was asleep on the Ministerial benches. After an absence of rather more than an hour, the ma nagers of the conference returned, when Lord J. RUSSELL appeared at the bar, and announced that the managers of the conference on the part of the Commons had been to the House of Lords, and met the managers of the conference on the part of the Lords, when the Earl of Ripon, on the part of the managers appointed by the Lords, stated that their Lordships were determined to adhere to their amendments. Lord J. RUSSELL then said that it having been stated that the House of Lords were determined to ad here to the amendments which they had made in the Bill, and it appearing quite clear that the two branches of the Legislature could not come to any agreement on the sub ject, he thought it right, to avoid that which would be the obvious result of persevering further with the measure, to propose that the further consideration of the Lords amend ments to this Bill be deferred to that day three months. The motion was agreed to. The House then resumed the debate on the Lords' amendments to the Established Church Bill. Lord J. RUSSELL could not see the propriety of the amendment which the Hon. Gentleman had proposed, nor did it appear to him at all expedient that the Bishops and Clergy of the principality of Wales should be able to hold conversations in the Welsh language. He thought that very bad consequences would arise from making a know ledge of the Welsh language an indispensable qualification for a Bishop. The Hon. Gentleman had gone into several cases in support of his proposition ; but as it was proposed by the clause as it stood that no person was to be appointed to a cure of souls where Welsh was generally spoken unless he were well acquainted with the Welsh language, the abuse complained of would be, of course, corrected with out any further legislative enactment on the subject. It had been alleged that the evil had arisen from the prac tice which it was said had prevailed, of the Welsh Bishops appointing their own sons ; but, even admitting that to be the case, he must own he did not think that obliging the Bishops to understand the Welsh language would in any way provide against that abuse. If it did prevent an undue preference of that kind, all he could say was, the Welsh language possessed an advantage not only peculiar to itself, but which belonged to no other language that he had ever heard of.—(A laugh.) He could not, however, believe that a knowledge of the Welsh language would render the future Welsh Bishops less fond of their sons than the present Bishops were represented to be ; and, therefore, as he deemed the proposition of the Hon. Gentleman an inconvenient one, he must oppose his amendment. Mr. AGLIONBY supported the amendment, and said, that he had only recently presented a petition from 1,000 persons belonging to Wales, resident in this metropolis, praying that the clause, as amended by the Lords, should not be agreed to. Mr. G OULBURN expressed'his entire concurrence in the Lords' amendments, and thought that making a know ledge of the Welsh language a Parliamentary qualification for Welsh Bishops was a most absurd proposition. Mr. HUME said, that the Bishops were chosen rather on account of their high connections than of the quali fications which they possessed for the office. It was the duty of the Bishops to preach to their flocks as other pastors did ; and how could they do this unless they un derstood the language spoken by those to whom they preached ?—(Hear, hear.) If the Noble Loa], were a true Reformer, he would not thus slur over the evils of the pre sent system ; he would prevent the appointment in fu ture of incompentent and improper persons.—(Cries of "Oh!oh ! ") From the Ist of Geo. 1., not one of the Welsh bishops understood the language of the Welsh peo ple, and this he believed was the true reason why Dissent 'had so widely extended itself in that part of the kingdom. The Hon. Member concluded by again hoping that the House would reject the Lords' amendments to the clause. Mr. G. F. YOUNG opposed the amendment. Mr. E WART expressed his intention to vote for the amendment. Mr. BORTH WICK expressed his intention to vote for the clause as amended by the Lords. Mr. M. PHILIPS said, as a Dissenter, the House might be aware that he did not think a Bishop at all neces sary in Wales ; but if appointed, they certainly ought to be able to speak the language. Mr. A. TREVOR would support the Bill as it came down to them. The House then divided, and there appeared— For the original motion For the amendment 45 Majority On our return to the Gallery, we found Mr. HUME contending that the lost amendment em. bodied the principles of reform on which the Bill wrs constructed, and as it was supported by so large a majority he would move for the postponement of the further consi deration of the remaining clauses to that day three months. The Hon. Gentleman was proceeding to complain of the spirit of hostility and insult evinced by the Lords i❑ wear ing their hats in conference with the Commons, when Mr. A. TREVOR rose to call the Hon. Gentleman to order. The SPEAKER (as well as we could understand) pronounced the point of order rather a difficult one, but recommended the Hon. Gentleman to keep to the subject of the Lords' Amendments, which had been read a first time. Mr. HUME said that in considering the Lords' Amend ments of the Commons' Bills it was very difficult to avoid considering the conduct of the Lords themselves, and their treatment of the Commons in conference. They had not offered them a chair to sit down on.—(Laughter.) They might have been exhausted and needed such an accommo dation for what tho Lords knew.—(Laughter.) It was not decent treatment on the part of one set of gentlemen to wards another. The SPEAKER again requested the Hon. Member to keep to the question. Mr. HUME said that his question was, he hoped, very much to the purpose—that the further consideration of these clauses be postponed to this day three months. The SPEAKER said the Hon. Member's motion would not have the effect he desired. Lord J. RUSSELL should oppose the motion. Mr. YOUNG and Mr. HUGHES supported the clause. ____ Mr. ROBINSON complained of the lamentably prodi gal waste of public time on irrelevent matters which had taken place within the few previous days—(Hear, bear) — and he felt bound to add that, notwithstanding the useful ness of the Hon. Member for Middlesex, no one wasted more of it in that way than he did.—{Hear.) It was a duty the House owed to the country not to oppose any unneces sary delay to the measure. Mr. E WART defended his Hon. Friend the Member for Middlesex from the imputation which had been cast on him by the Hon. Member for Worcester. There were some persons who consumed a great deal of time i❑ doing great things ; there were others, on the contrary, who consumed a great deal of time in doing things in a very little way.— (Hear, bear, and laughter.) His Hon. Friend was justified in interposing every legitimate obstacle to the Bill. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said that, as the motion of the Hon. Member for Middlesex was pronounced ineffective for the purpose intended by it, namely, the defeat of the Bill, he (Mr. T. Duncombe) should move to that effect that the debate be adjourned to that day six weeks. The SPEAKER said the Hon. Member could make no motion until the former motion should have been disposed of ono way or the other. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he should do everything in his power to throw out the Bill, and he believed that such was the desire and intention of all the country gentlemen. The SPEAKER said that the effect of the motion of the Hon. and Learned Member for Middlesex would be to throw out the clause alone ; the Bill would be unaffected by it. After a few words from the Chancellor of the Exche quer and Mr. Hume, Lord .T. RUSSELL said that, though the effect of the motion would only include in its operation the clause, still, as it would be difficult to send the Bill back to the other House this session with any chance of its passing, he was satisfied to take the division on the motion as tantamount to the affirmation or rejection of the whole measure. The House then divided. For the clause Against it Majority The remaining clauses were then agreed to, after a few words from Lord J. Russell, Dr. 'Lushington, and Mr. Hindley. OTTOMAN CONSULS. On the motion of Lord PALMERSTON, the Lords amendments to the Ottoman Consuls Bill were agreed to, and the Bill passed. DR. BEAUMONT. Mr. AGLIONBY wished to know of the Noble Lord whether the British Government had interfered for Doctor Beaumont—whether they had had any information respect ing him—and, if they had, was it of a nature to be commu nicated to the House. Lord PALMERSTON said that a great deal of com munication had taken place on the subject of Dr. Beau mont's imprisonment between the British and French Go vernments. The fact was that that unfortunate gentle man connected himself with persons accused of political conspiracy against the State. lie had been arrested along with some of them, and sent to prison previous to his trial. His brother had then applied to his Majesty's Government to interfere with the French Government for the purpose of havinc , him brought to trial ; and they did so. They applied' to the French Government to that effect. The case of Dr. Beaumont being detained prisoner a long time previous to trial was not a solitary one ; there were a number of other individuals in the same predica ment. In the course of time he was brought to trial and sentenced to transportation. Such were the facts of the case. With respect to the individual, he (Lord Palmer ston) should rather advise the Hon. Member who put the question to leave his case in the hands of the Go vernment rather than make it the subject of a specific motion. There was every disposition on their part to exert their best influence to procure a remission of the sentence. The Hon. Member might, therefore, safely confide the matter to them. Mr. AGLIONBY expressed himself satisfied. GREEK LOAN. Lord PALAIERSTON moved the third reading of the Greek Loan Bill. Mr. ROBINSON protested against the whole measure. He complained that though the Noble Lord had for upwards of twelve months had an intimate acquaintance, through various channels, with the condition of Greece, and the opinions of the Powers parties to the contract, he had, for some reason or other not explained by him, delayed in troducing the subject of the Bill to the notice of the House of Commons until within a few days of the close of the ses sion. It was not treating the House fairly. The papers connected with the subject had cnly been laid upon the table yesterday, and yet they contained much additional in formation, which would have required a session to investi gate. He maintained that it was the duty of the Noble Lord to have brought the subject forward at the commence ment of the session, and he moved that the Bill be read a third time that day three months. Captain BOLDERO seconded the motion. Lord PALMERSTON said that if the Hon. Member carried his amendment the intentions of this country for securing the independence of Greece would be frustrated, in which intentions the Government of France equally par ticipated. He asserted that Greece was not in the state of confusion which the Hon. Member described, and he founded this assertion on the reports laid upon the table, and the communications of Sir E. Lyons. He hoped, therefore, that the House would not refuse its sanction to the upholding of the treaty into which the Government of this country had entered. Mr. G. YOUNG said that his opinion was in . no way altered by what had fallen from the Noble Lord, and he should support the amendment which he would have se conded had he had an opportunity of doing so. After a few words from Mr. HUME and Colonel SIB THORP, the amendment was negatived without a division. The Bill was then read a third time, and passed. Mr. HUME brought up the report of the Committee to inquire into the Stafford Disfranchisement Bill, and moved the postponement of the issuing of a writ for that borough until ten days after the meeting of the House in the next session of Parliament. Mr. A. TREVOR opposed the motion, and moved as an amendment that the writ be suspended to that day week. Mr. CHETWYND said that no case had been made out against the borough of Stafford, as all the Bills had been given up. The House then divided, when the numbers were— For the original motion 45 Against it - Majority —4o The Order of the Day being moved for the reading of the Civil Offices Declaration Bill, Colonel SIBTFIORI' protested against bringing in this measure at so late an hour. Mr. A. TREVOR said he would continue to divide the House upon the measure, even till eight in the morning. The House divided— Ayes Noes .... 45 Majority for the third reading ...... —43 On the question that the Bill do pass, Colonel SIBTHORP said that it was a most unbe coming exercise of power to press forward a measure of this kind, depending upon the mere force of numbers. Mr. TREVOR said he was determined to act upon his own feeling of what was right, and would continue to oppose the Bill. The gallery was cleared, but no division took place, and the Bill was passed. On the motion of Mr. TREVOR a new writ was or dered for the election of a Member for the county of Down, in the room of Lord Arthur Hill, now Lord Sandys, who gone to the Upper House. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order of the Cay for receiving the report of the Bri bery at Elections Bill. Colonel SI BTH ORP said be did not expect to have this motion made at so late an hour. He would, therefore, op pose the motion, and move that the House do now adjourn. Mr. A. TREVOR said there were many objections to the Bill, which it would be impossible to go into in the absence of so many Members. He was disgusted with such an absence of Members. He was thankful to his Hon. and Gallant Friend, and the country was indebted to him, for his manly and independent conduct in opposing the smuggling of Bills of this kind through the House. Mr. PALMER and Colonel PERCEVAL recom mended that the measure should not be pressed that night. Colonel SIBTHORP said he did not wish to inter rupt the public business ; but it was not now his fault, and he wished it to go forth to the public that his only object was to prevent business of public importance from being smuggled through the House in this manner. He was determined to divide the House. The House then divided. Against the adjournment For it Majority The Report was then received. On the question that it be agreed to, Arr. BORTH WICK expressed his determination to move the adjournment of the House again. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sug gested that the best way to settle the difference would be to appoint such an hour for the further consideration of the measure as would give an opportunity of fully considering the objections. -41 Colonel SIBTHORP said, as he saw so much ma nceuvring on the other side to carry an important measure contrary to the general interest of the community, be should persevere in his motion. He wanted no accommodation— be only required justice.—(Cheers.) The House then divided, when there appeared Ayes Noes 38 -3‘ Majority On our return to the gallery we found Mr. A. TREVOR declaring that he should divide the House again, as it was most unjustifiable on the part of Minis ters to attempt, at that late hour of the night, to hurry an important Bill through the House. Though the Bill was not very bad in principle it was so in its details. He should, therefore, move the adjournment of the House, in order to give time for the further ►consideration of the measure. He expected the Hon. Member opposite (Mr. Brotherton) would have moved, as usual, the adjournment. Mr. BROTHERTON said he only moved the ad journment when he found it agreeable to both parties. Mr. H. HUGHES and Colonel PERCEVAL sup ported the motion of adjournment.. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then proposed the postponment of the question. The House then resumed. The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, and the House adjourned at Half-past Two o'Clock. HOUSE OF LORDS, Auausr 11. THE LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wo sack at the usual hour. STANNARIES COURTS BILL. Lord ABINGER presented a petition against the Starnaries Courts Bill. MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS—STAMP DUTY (NEWSPAPER) BILL. The CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER and others brought up the Stamp Duty Newspaper Bill. Mr. BERNAL and others brought up the Slave Owners' Compensation Bill, and the Exchequer Offices (Ireland) Bill. The Assessed Taxes Bill, the Court of Session (Scot land) Bill, and the Gold and Silver Plate (Scotland) Bill, were read a third time and passed. NEWSPAPER STAMPS. Lord MELBOURNE inquired if the Newspaper Stamp Bill was on the table, and being answered in the affirma tive, the Noble Lord held it up, and addressing Lord Lyndhurst, who was on the opposite side of the table, ex claimed, " Here's a Bill to your Lordship's taste !" (Much laughter.) Lord LYNDHURST—Is it decidedly according to our arrangement Lord MELBOURNE—You had better ascertain that. I beg to give notice that to-morrow I shall move the sus pension of the Standing Orders with respect to this Bill. Lord LYNDHURsT—Does the Noble Lord mean to postpone his motion for suspending the Standing Orders till to-morrow ? Lord MELBOURNE—I have , given notice to that effect. I may as well state here that there is no alteration in the Bill, but the omission of the two clauses which were rejected by your Lordships. The Bill was then react a first time. Lord FITZGERTALD — presented a petition from Dub lin, against a Bill brought in during the present Session, to repeal the Act lately passed for regulating the sale of spirits in Ireland. Lord DUNCANNON said the Bill was not to come into operation till October, 1837. CHURCH TEMPORALITIES (IRELAND) BILL. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, understanding there was no objection to the principle of the Bill, would now move the second reading of the Church Temporalities (Ire land) Bill, and would fix the Committee for to-morrow. Lord DUNCANNON postponed the second reading of the Post Office Bill till to-morrow. The Registration of Voters Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. The LORD CHANCELLOR moved the second read ing of the Stannaries Courts Bill, which was to improve. the Court, and to bring other metals than tin under its jurisdiction. Lord WYNFORD opposed the Bill, and hoped it, would be postponed till next Session. Earl FALMOUTH said if the House postponed the Bill, they would do great injustice to the county of Cornwall. The Bill was read a second time. Lord WYNFORD suggested that the Bill should be referred to a Committee up stairs. The Lord CHANCELLOR said that would be a sure means of obtaining the Noble Lord's wish. Committed for to-morrow. FREE CONFERENCE. On the motion of Lord MELBOURNE, the Order of the Day for taking into consideration the Commons' Mes sage for a free conference was taken into consideration, and agreed to to be held forthwith in the Committee-roaw. No. 5. The Duke of RICHMOND gave notice that he would (to-morrow) ask the Noble President of the Council some questions relative to prison discipline. The Yeoman Usher of the Black Rod appeared at the Bar, and announced that the Managers on the part of the Com mons of the Free Conference were ready in Committee Room No. ,5. The following Peers were then named to manage the Conference on the part of their Lordships—the Earl off Ripon, the Bishop of Gloucester, Lord Ellenborough, Lord. Wharncliffe, Lord Lyndhurst, Lord Fitzgerald, and Lord Abinger ; and they withdrew for that purpose. On the return of the Conference, The Earl of RIPON was directed by the Lords ap pointed to manage the Conference with the House of Com , mons, on the subject of the amendments made by their Lordships to the Municipal Corporations Act (Amend ment) Bill, to inform the House the Conference on the part of the House of Commons was managed by Lord, John Russell and others, and that the House of Commons. dissented from two of their Lordships' amendments, for reasons which the Noble Earl then read. Lord LYNDHURST rose for the purpose of moving that their Lordships do adhere to their amendments. The questions for consideration were two. He should take first the question which related to the charity trusts. In the last session of Parliament their Lordships were of opinion, and the other House was also of opinion, that it would be advisable to make some temporary provision for the ma. nagement of these trusts, until both Houses should have an opportunity to come to some satisfactory arrangement fo the permanent settlement of the question. Unfortunately that desirable object had not yet been accomplished ; and therefore, with a view to the accomplishment of an object so desirable, and in its nature so delicate, it was proposed that what had been done in the last session of Parliament—viz., a temporary provision —should be extended until the end Of the next session of Parliament. That proposition WO made precisely in the spirit of what took place last session, and had been adopted without objection by both Houses of Parliament. It was now objected that it would amount to a continuing of persons, some of whom it was insisted had mil , - conducted themselves in the management of these trusts. He apprehended that there was not the slightest evidence ita support of this allegation. Their Lordships were aware that these individuals were selected when the Bill passed last Session. The House of Lords selected them, and the other House concurred in that selection ; and if these indivi duals were then thought proper persons to be appointed, he would submit that nothing had since occurred to render them unworthy of the trust. The question for considera tion, therefore, came to this—would their Lordships dis place these trustees, or would they allow them to act for another year, when they considered what must be the alter native ? If those trustees were not continued the duty Of appointing new trustees devolved upon his Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolsack. He would not weaken the effect of what was stated a few days since by his Noble and Learned Friend with respect to the discharge of this duty by any addition of his own. The Noble and Learned Lord had stated that in every charity, numerous as theY were, it would be necessary to present a petition to the Lord Chancellor. That Noble and Learned Lord must consider the matter of each petition, and it would be neces sary in every particular case to direct a reference to the Master to appoint new trustees. The Master would he al tended by the parties interested, evidence would he gone into, and a lengthened litigation might ensue. These were the objections that he entertained to the proposition that these trustees should not be continued for another yea r but that the duty s h ou ld d evo l ve upon t h e L,, r d Cha,?ee' lor. He would now shortly refer to the other questioa• By the Municipal Corporation Act, if the Council wero equally divided in the election of a mayor, no proceeding!' could take place. The other House of Parliament did not object to the appointment of a presiding officer for the purposes of the election, and it did not object to the mode adopted by their Lordships, viz., the appointment by lo t ' but then it said that the person so appointed ought not to have a casting vote. He (Lord Lyndhurst) would say that it was inconsistent with all the analogies of the Municipal Corporations Bill that he should not have such a casting vote. He thought the person appointed to preside at the election of the mayor should also have a casting vote ; but in opposition to this it was said that whenever there was an equality of votes the party to whom the mayor or presi ding officer was favourable, would always carry the elec" tion. This objection would also apply to every subsequen t election where there was an equality of votes. This wa s the way in which he met the second objection, and on these grounds he trusted their Lordships would be of opinion that they ought to insist upon the amendments sent down to the other House of Parliament. Viscount MELBOURNE said that, as he gathered from the Report made by the managers who conducted the Conference on th e p ar t o f their Lordships, none of the se arguments were urged by the Noble and Learned Lord at : the Conference—(Hear)—and, considering that it was free Conferen c e, he did not exactly see, if were rig htl y informed on th e subject, why the dignity of the House ha u been sacrificed, its character lowered, and its intere st s _ t deserted by these arguments not being urged on that occasion. He would beg leav, to say that, in his , Ol d dion, the arguments of the Noble and Learned Lo h r e were totally insufficient to maintain th e cours e whic h recommended to the adoption of the House.—(Gheegj9g_sl These individuals were appointed at the very close el session, it being admitted on all hands that the arrea! 4 b 7 ) ment was only to be temporary. At the same time clauses were inserted in the Bill now under consideratioent They were inserted to meet the case of another Act n then introduced ; but th e i r L or d s hi ps wou ld be pleased ta recollect that a Bill had been sent up from the Hee se .„. Commons, making full and entire provision for the coetee% gency, and that their Lordships in the second r eject ta'` . , Bill.—(Hear, hear.) He (Viscount 111elbourne) that their Lordships were not in a situation to call " their House of Commons to yield on this occasion ; e r Lordships had rejected a measure providing- for th con tingency of the trustees, and had accompanied that rittnc h ' tion with expressions of the most insulting and co,, ee ous nature. In the debate it was stated that the o l?n oX Commons intended to promote the interests of partial favourable to it ; and he would say that their 14 woulod_ ts