The Sun. — London, England, 1839-06-26 00:00:00

NEV ENI 'G PEON. f e'd open to ' bat privcte corepwiti , n for tvidch many ! peered that there was no check to the making of these claimed the st"eorierity hi undertakirgs of this kind. ! earphones. What guarsntee had the House that on- Mr. 'S }IA I.; iiiquired if tb t Nold.t Lord had entirely ! founded complaints would -not be brought forwerd ? eh indi rich the rsinroad plan in Ireland, or may fur the ( Hear; heart s ) --Ancl• If it turned out-that they were iris-r -/we cot session. 4 -, .th re would be n o compensat i on f ir t h e waste of the lous 31r. O'CONNELL thow;ht it would not be right fowl : eines and money of th e p u bli c. Th e Ri g h t H on. B aronet the Gov, cwt.-milt to state wheth er th e y i nten d e d to tske tire tlyr b dis read some extracts" from the pe!ition, and observed _ve suhiect up aeaht hereafter, as h e th a t means private spec - u- that the c h arges o f men having gone. into a house and sat taboo would be impecied. I down and smoked, were really too absurd to employ the • Lord AIOIZPETH would net bind himself to say 1 time of a Select Committee of the House, and expressed whether er not at a future period be should be ' a hoed that the Honourable Member would withdraw the • t prepared to take up the scheme agien, but the Govern- motion. • ~ meet, feeling they could not successfully carry en the Alr. BROTHERTON thought some stepsctions, a n d should be project, left it. to private individuals to see if they could do ta k en to discountenance th ese practices , at ele so.— instance of a vot e r who had been carried oft' when NEW ZEALAND. go i ng to the poll to vote for himself. The parties were Sir R. INGLIS wished to put two questions to the Uncle r I indicted and true bills found against them, that the prose. l Secretary for the Coloni es re l at i ve to N ew Zealand. Ile 1 cution was no t proceeded with.—( Laughter from the Or wished to know what were the intentions of her Msjesty's position benches.) It was not because there were not Government relative to the colony of New Zealand gene- sufficient grounds, but because tb d e heat of the t . eiec d :io n, n x aly, and also with respect to the New. Zealand Cempany. contest had subsided, and it ! was said hear.) iln.g „Mr. LABGUCHERE said that the Government had during election times war fair.—( m b , f r. shoUld . come to the determination of taking steps which would , support the motion if the Hon. . tin er• o r s Igen. probably lead to the establishment of a colony in that . Mr. W. PATTEN hoped the Hon Member would country ; but as those measures were still under con i le- withdraw his motion. H..s did not wish to say an y thing ration, he trusted th e [lon. Baro ne t wou ld excuse hi s personally off.nsive, but he must be aware that these accu not entering further i n t o th em . Wi t h respect. to th e .:,tuns were not confieed to his (Ala Ewen's) side of the teeond question, be begged t o sa y th a t t h e C ompany was !louse; and although he (Mr. \V. P a t ten ) did not beline recognised by the Government o f thi s country; at the same it, he understood there was an accusation against the lion. time he would say that in fut u r e steps which the Govern- Member himself.—( Hear, and l a eugh.) . meat might take with refere nce to New Zealand, they m , Ewe KT might have be e n i n d uce d to w i t hd raw w mid consider themselves bound in making grants of his motion if it had not' been for the statement just raede by land, to recognise the rights of parties to prope r ty i n that th e Hon. Member opposite, that levee was an accutation country, unless it had been acquired fraudulently.—( Hear.) at:Qin xt hin.sel e. Ile should they, f ore persevere is hi • ABDUCTION OF VOTERS. metieln, for the purpose of showing the public that that Mr. EWART then rose to move for a Select Corn- House did riot slumber at its post, but was prompt' in mittee to inquire into the allegations contained in the rste ne cognizance of every offence against the freedom of Wigan petition (presented by bin' on the loth of Juric), election. complaining of the abdu c ti on and violence pr a cti se d towards Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and th e H ouse the voters at th e l as t Wi gan e l ect i on. W hen a candidate -livid, d, vs hen the numbers were— went down to a borough, with which he was previously unae• Fee tire motion . f quainted, upo n an invitation from a large b o dy, an d e l icit h e Ag, sinst it 36 had obtained th e promises of a majority, b u t tee voters ae. e el:tier-its- —4s cagargerie:dvatceffd:COLONlAL LAND. caseand s t o ha p u re e iT e n n te e d ur t t r u o p m tio t n •x ,_ ert i - t is , i w ng as t a h a ei a r o o , t ( v .k n ti,,r,, of a hid, he 1,43 giver, notice :_,, That the neett. free-ail, surely the House would consider it as a more Me WARD thee rose .to move the following resolu • upon tile Constitution of the ceuntry.,The house punished t enio n an I euldrati o n of waste lands in the British Cobo -1 corrupdon. The case he had to detail was, in Iris ()linden, •ri e s, by mean s o f emigration. tends to improve the eon. of a much more aggravated character, aed called impure- diti on o f a ll the industrious classes ii the United Ring tively for the interecssioe of the Hance. But these cases T ern , by diminishin g competition for employment at home, twee not of su c h an ;Ter:lr a:o .d nature as th e present, in cornequence of' the removal of su;•erabundant numbsrs. becauss, in those cases, the parties hal acted under the c re a ti ng new markets, and 41m-ea-big the demand fo r strip excited iceli-tes of the moment, but in this case the ab ; ,: ng an d manufactur e s. That the prosperity of colonies, d ietion had Wien pr, meditated many days hefore the it. end th e progres s of colonization mainly depend upon the t , -nde.l taco and these persons had been kept manner is which a right of private property in. the waste ) a vsy t ntil the fetid close tf ' the pull. The )e ke p t 'w e t s , f a colony may be acquired; and that, amidst the guilty ot di a outrage had done him the honour to select ~rent variety of methods of d:sposing of waste lends a hie) those von is who had sign e d the requisition to hint ; have been pursued by the Briti,l, Government, the most they lia.i not attem i ,t ,, ,l an, ot those a hose tipinioLs totehl ..IT ctual beyond Llll comparison, is the plan of vale, et a beeleerned /1 miner!, hut :Lose had be en fixed up,,n who. iixed, uniform, and suffi,dent Fri .e, for ready money, hte. hie siened the roq .isilien !pieta, b e considered as with,.ut any other condition or restriction; erd the cm ' wee,: to vet • for him. Tt:ert: was anonher chen:nstanet lolme r: t 0 f th e whole, or e s large proportion of the pur ! •;.7grav;:ti,:n —those alio bad b en carried off acre pee „-h ase money, in aff wding a passage to the CO , ra,', v ,.. a ., b i d n-t th e p , wcr, the wealth, or the ii.flu- onv, cost free, to young persons of the It ertild h.! more earo,s; in the citlent e of tilt tw than of thow ['h a t, in ord e r to derive the gem atest pessible advantage nee te O. feed then - eel:es. Ho th, refore trusted the House ~ u ring class, in an equal proportion of the sexes Iv ..0 e s: -ti,,n gave them the (;ove r of standing op in 'r um thi s method ofco!on'zing, colon'zine, it is ease:el:Al that the p 7 o - - re tone(' d t`leir revn eriv-hesha. Tie prsition cout , iined a 62':iii r I t h e im inence of the syst em should be St cured by the Leeisla circuit-tans sof ter'(ewe, irn o whica be tr e, and that its administreion should be entrusted to a wo u ld nit no ., e w er Te e etas .- of ateluerien listinet, sibordinate branch of the Colonial at; artmeet. itight he ,tts id :rd inte three chtssos First, Ahners Islet h e utheri: e d t o sell eelonial lands in this country ;to as tich i hen en,fi ee d i n fluor e we her s , e .:, a . t i ~b r e ed to remai ' eite the s .!es of land by raisin?. leant for emigration, on de re. or t i i . g,:ipe hi o the houues of their neighbours. th e security or futur e land s .Is s; aed, generally, to siip"r -•en:: %'1 hese votcrs in Ito 'Ltd het it seiz •d in the s orecti , of intend the errangernents by which the comf.trt and well 'O, - e -, a , te e ked r i p wel drug e d weh oeiat s, and thus re veloe! fre e: recor d iee t h ew votes. eeing o f the emigrants are lob e secured. That this method The last class ; coin nr i ris, d th o - e w i no I I id coler/W'e st • less been :endied by the Legi s lat ure to the, net ii s itilcntly s.-z • d in the new colony of South Aestralh, with ve r y remar k a b le hteehts rani carried hero Lack rooms ft.tebly held down - an d gran:wi r er results ; and te it it is experflerit that . dereged with epi tt es , ,rut _f o r ce d bo o chaisr a, con- Warliarn, nt should ex., n 1 the Seuth A usteullarn st ste,n due ed to a det.elop, min t , • of th em t o Liverpool, and 0 all other colonies which are suite" to its operation." keet there toith Eh, p ill wa. c10. , e 4 . All three fat s . H o n- Member contended Chet the time It rd arrived weers had sieeed the requisitiee to him, argil it was rather then it was the bounden duty of the Les:isle - tire to r,... 11,r1 Theo !Wier raving 6,c.1 d Ih-ire lof thew me.,ns of his Hedy the evils of a large an I inereasing population. The wears, he sbeald find hi/site:l hsat cd by an cleetion pe. :ItlS of this evil were felt by r very trade and yref, scion. th i s Ile thou lit t: :is :also was an aggruva ion of the rhe great distress amen the hand-loom weavers was oto ewe, th :t ti the persons who in Livtrivoil • had coitfiaed nsioned by the excess /7f corp eition in their trade. Xis these seems. rind reek f- o,n . them then- shoes, refusine to ' 'auto:ries the hours of labour were increasine r while the per nit tleen to It-,.y,: the receus tor any put pose:- eanmer a ti on for I,bour was becoming less. In the agrieul- Metter , . vet, riil so t o r the purposes of ~ambling, thtrs leal districts ther e were :lie sumo evils. In Devonshire b; the perpetration of °ore rice encotraeing another. Ist eint, r th e wage s of labourers with families was only 11.5 . trusted tire [Luse would listen to the pray e r of the J ; , or 7a. a-week. Such a ststte of things were highly petitioners, and vindicate et ()ne e th e privilegesof the flee- • 'vs trahle to what were selloff rev&utinnary principles. tors, and t h e pri v il eg , ao r 'h., il else itself. fir areordarce These pried, les were harmless in a sound state . of things. , whit time w•sh el :its coestituent s , h e begged t o move for a Th e y No w found co-existent hi Eon land a greater mass oh . Select e , anintittre to irrqur e into the alleget'ons contained t: ar : sus utetaon to our t xisting institutions coupled with a con in the 'vVigtill petition (presented en tie 10th of Juno! .cieuseess of civil and pclhical rights, wi.h a power of , 0 splainlog ut abductio n and vieleece practised towards ornhinatien, a sense of injustice, end a sort of hr-poles; the votes:, at the last Wigan Election. -less o retl, wldch gave it ii f orm id a bl e c h aracter.— Mr. G. W. HOPE opp ose d t h e motion. Its this cas e ( Hears hear ) N.ss w When they t a lk e d o f putt i ng don Chart - one of the partied, William Blsnimer, had b i t tried and lam, they should recollect that though they might put it acquire-el irr a Court of Law, and Ire did expect the Hon. demi' in eauticular districts, yet that they could only deal . Ow demon would have given , an explaeatio n of that fact with the es il by going to Ls source.—( Hear.) It was a before he came down and • moved for a Committee social mil, net a political evil. It Dad not arisen (rem to review, as it were, that dewsioa.--( Cries of " this flour, bad Gov hear. ernment, or b a d. l aws. N a one law could he ') !laving . stated might omit going pained out, which, if removed, would remedy the evil—it over the others, but as 1:e did not wish to shrink rrose from the disproportion existing between lab mur and from the Nets, the Howe would pardon him for labeer.rs. This evil a-as not confined to the working detaining them fear a few minutes. The pstitinne rs stat e d s :sses_it was felt in the bar, in the army, in the navy_ tha't tw o persons of the name of Ryley had been forced into ill pr • fessions were overstocked —( Hear, hear.) He hal l a chaise and carried off to Liverpool ; and that a wound not exaggerated this evil. It was one which no oar, mild was inflicted on one of them with a knife. It o oily eontemplat e without sincere distress, if our hope; of a 1 le• admitted that the parties were known, but here was a viation acre coat red within the limits of the British statement wide+ amounted to a felony.__( Il e sr, hi:as.) el :ride. Fortin.atelt they had other and great resw)rees,wlUch Why was not that case prosecuted ? Not only Nero inexlintr-titde. Those resources depend( d entiroly on was there the opportunity of trying the case at law, but A proper c.lispooal of what were d Waste or Public there had been a Committee appointed to try the election. hem& in our Colorties. We had within the domittiorts of But the Hon. Member passed over these, arid asked for a th e 11:itish Crown every variety of climate and soil, with I - Select Committee. He trusted, ho..vever, that the the tower of predueing every ariiele that our manufac:ures House would not yield to such a proposal as end industry stood in need of. 'rhos::: were the treattr-es tine present, even if 'the _case __was almitted, af t t r t h ey h a d at their dispos.l, and how h a d t h ey use d , „h at h a d occurred at thhe — R - OTs election, Where parties after hew ? lla I they used them so as to dispense : - having been convicted by a Jury of carrying off an elector, :he greatese possiele cowl to an overgrown populadon ? ! ! ere appointed Justices of the , Peace in that county. line was afraid 'Joe—Wear, hear.) There had been no With respect to the ease of the man whom it was said woes qrSteM or plan pursued and adoptrd ill our colonial police taken out of the town in a state of stupor, the fact really - The Colonies had been looked to simply as a Lid for pe . • i was that he went out c,f the town himself: Another it was trenage. Ile contended those waste lands were intends d said was taken away in a chaise at one o'clock in the morn- f o r a high er purpose than eatronage, and he would claim • . ing. Now the real fact was that that very individual was them as the inheritance ar.d as ' the petrimony of the i ever taken out of the town at all, but employed himself the English poor. They were a' public trust IA Iltil ottlit grr ater part of that night in looking out fur von rs of the te be administered for the public advantage.—( thear. ) otl e side. Then with respect to the person whom it was What was the w•msrly for this universal disease ? Such a - represented had been terrified, what, was the fact, a fee system trust be introduced as would provent the poorer per_oas congregated round the. hone at an early truer in emigrant from becoming a useless and indigent landowner, • • the morning merely for an elect i on folic. The last case and prevent the capitalist from surrounding himself with • which bad been adverted to was so absurd, that he wrs es a desert on which he could find no labour. Thereinust he tonished it had been brought forward ; it amounted to this, the power to give and the-power to withhold land. la that a party heine in hed, some Psrsou for a frolic got into whom,' then, was the power to be vested? Would thee the went tt here he was aid sat down smoking. Such vest it in the G , vernment or an individual ? Both plans paltry races in I " ; ‘'su;nien were eet worthy the consideration would be bee . - ash ex, he House. Th n H o n.4lernbcr had c d ver t e d to t h e casesof all parties sh d ould They must es be bound,. sed bih believed th e more thi s e a Seed rule by w hi c h Yaseton to w everpoer, and other places,as a precedent for the subject was ievesti •be course he lirep gated, in would Osed to adopt- Th ose cases were extremely so good as price. This w as th e o proved that no ne was nly basis on w hi c h a different front the present, f or w i t h t h e present case there sound system of celon:zation could be founded—a sufficient had been not only au electisn petitisn, but a counter one; _twice to secure to the capitalist a supply of hired labour, and yet, these thongs were to be passed by, and a Select chile to the labourer it held out the prospect of becoming Committee was to be appointed: Could not, he would a capitalist himself. s prnce bad ba d :s -, all t h e causes of complaint which were intended to be loped in a circular issued i m i fro the ipl Colonialeen Office bly on e the r), ght before the Select Committee be put an end to in hat of Jrnuary, 1836. The money procured in this m ta,: same manner as all b reac h es o f t h e teace were dealt air could not b e b e tt er app li e d than to the purremses an of with ? ATI) , had not th a t course b een adopted? Was it emigration. Our system up to 1331 was most objectionable. pretended tl, tit was necessary to resort to extraordinary There were no advantages to the public, but there were po!vers ? it was true tl at they might direct the Attorney- plenty of jobs to dedividuals, and not a shilling General to proFeetAte, hut it must he done atwor ling to was realised to the public.—( Hear, hear.) He consi law. Ile thought the present a most discreditable attempt, timed that the plan of the Noble Lord (Hovvick) did not tither the la lea had been beaten in one instance, and he go far enough. Besides, i .t . was subject to continual should therefore opnrom the nint , on. changes. But a national system ought net to be left on Me. WA RBURTON said, if the / hject of the inquire so precous a foundation. Int e l trine years ere was to puni s h t re p.trti,a, t h ere m i g h t be some force in the had been ari no In ss thin seven Coloni th ast al Ministers, who th had a ne rgument s of we H ei . M en b .r ; but as the ohjeet of the pursued different courses— one giving a charter to South iviry was le gy , su c h i n t o , in r ei on t o th e house Australia, which another had refused. With respect to as it might require for the pureow of protecting the the amount of land sales in New South Wales, they had liberty of th e suejsce;west:ming illicit practices pre- b een est i mate d at 10,000/., and a general outcry had been veilin g at eta- c u rses , b e th out the motion ought to meet raised against the scheme. In 1P32, there were 20,000 with a 'wa d y „qui„,„„ tees,, t h e li eu w 1-he practices aerss sold for 6.000/. ;in 18.34. there were 91,000 acres compl a nd . of were int-teasing of late, in fact, it was now hold for 28 000/ ; in 1835, the number of acres sold was called, co"ping eteeters.—( Laughs , r.) The object of the e 71.000, preducing 87.000/ ; an), in 1836 the amount per;:et.teu.ion Ives net to criminate the parties, but to raised was 1('5,•13-11.—making a t nal, in five years, of th .; light epe e th e practice that prevailed at elections, 240,1911. The public resinion there had so entirely winter he thought nutSt clesirebe. H e suoutd, therefore, chaneed, that a petition, signed by nlmost all the pm seppett , he motion of his Ili:tet - able Fiiend the Alemb r ; (died' resldents in New s South Wales, had been ad ! dretsed to the Committee of the Legislative Council, en. 31r. W. WYNN felt great surp r i se at th e premet treating them to urge on the Government the impossibility in )(tun. lie expected tire Ihmourebi e memb er would have of ever tureing the land-selling principle to its full and . peeved •cut some distiect object he had in vie.v. He had 1 legirimete accourw, unless they were authorised to noise a stated that the privileges of the !lease hod be e n in- loan for seen: icy. The land qneatio wee mixed up with waded and the rights ef the ciector taken away ; that would every other question, and he would venture to say that hove bent a g eel grontal for h• iegieg the pet - ties to trial, tt,„ p lies of the troubles in the culonies arose out of time hut it Ives to groni,l for ti:e [notion ht the Ilona:wattle m intier i n % s i l ic a th e land hal been treated. This conetry 31ereler ler Wigen, Oao ot these parties had Int et h a d s c o w l i n a mann er on that question that was pernicious breneht es trial and aepitte,l, and new it was , asks:; r e the colony and useless to themselves. There had been that. the. Ile t s e w t , u ld e rpo i n r a &wee Commiltee; nothing doing there :but jobbing and peculation. which •-: If the sate had been brought before an Electine Com- h au l b een s h are d iu by the highest officers of the Crown, • mince it would have been the duty of that Committee to ~h d sometimes by the Governors' themselves. What had have r. p 'fled it to the 11 dile, aral the Hoes. w ohl I have Inn-en th e result of that? Why, in Upper Canada, out of • - ordered punisheent. That course had tint bee,: ; ursued, 17 6')3.000 acres of land, there were only about 1.597.000 and what was there to prevent the eate3 of all the e iadi- teedienatecl, of which 450,000 acres were required for viduals being adjedicat••d ern at the next A,s'zes ? road:. Iri Lowsr Canada, out ef 6.000,000 acres, - - Under :01 the eircumwances, tie trusted the Hoeso would , .1 500000 were alienated, and in Nova Scotia and Prince a '.not think it •(!e , ir•rbl e to enter into such Do invsstigation. Edeard's I,lert.', the wholeland in the territory was alien- Mr. A 7,' LIO N B V wotdd su e pert the motion of the atsd. What were termed in these Colonies the clergy re- Hon. Alemb s r f oe Whet' . Tee Ho so Inel a r:eht to serves, were a bar to till improvement. And, moreover, m rine the it:quire, and he wet only mu pr'sed to sw. the the e h o le system of surveys in Canada, was conducted • Ri s lit How! Gentleman opp:wine. who had been's.' ~see a deik.ler of the priviite , cs of the House, giving I • corm- Li a most reckless m tntier.—(llaar, hear.) Lord Dur ham stated in his report that nothiag was so hal as the tenet's° to the 'adopt:en of a course that would end to present system of emigration to Canada. Great irnam ut dermine itt privil ere st The course th..t• rawnow beieg to n inually puttered at eh: rarity was displayed there, iipmanypartsther d acre no vinced him more and reldi, wickets, or schools,tand half the inhabitants were , mere eve; •:- um ssity fur t he 8eti0t,.....( Ile ir, destitute of the consolatioas of religion, and the result wee a , ere aurbter.) Ile wound not dwguise his feelings had be. n that three fifths of the emigrants had gone to the : ree th e . subj e w, for Ire was dstertnined to bring cwe before tire II oust to endsayour, if possible, to cell e very United Sottes. So much for-the exercise of the preroga tive of the Crown. WS then was to be done ? Why no vince it of th e nee es ut y o f tl i ,, [;allot, ar, hoar- ) other course was left opsn fur them than to retrace their 11.; trusted that his W r i tge i, th e m ent h es f or wigan, would s t• pa, if they wished to make amends to the colony for, the he • ueeeessful ia his motion ; hut if he a-as trot, Ire would (tat! s y s t em th a t h a d beer, pursued. He would defy the lbe entieed to the thanks of the public fer having brought Right Hon. Gernlemen the Under Secretary for thin Cobo n f o e a e i. ! Lor DUNG A NNON wueld oppose the Motion, be- tries to deny one word of what he had stated. But what ) / xemule dad they before them o f an oppos i te system's. L oo k li ' - eL!' it to l„rr.t.rei t lisle, tut pl - Cce.l , Tit. _ at S tub Australia. %here the prerogative ,of the . Crown Lo. 'd HO WICK wou'd put it to the Ilan. Member, 'gal h ews exercised in a mild and heneficant manner. That vin e , irit w ai i,!,:;, •itt. tin t:, rr•eVure ill his metier, , be. weeeey '•a; only fount : x:lin Aegust, 183-1. Th e C-in cp.,,, i t , .6 •rly cOtld d ein; di •t ther e w e re t t r eat till 18 eldectiwis missi ,peers of Crown lands were not appcointecl 35, t, it. Th e H on . M tel b er said Isis objec t was more to it':' fir s t place in South Australia a - as colonized in 1836, puaish !h e eraployers. than the pswies who hal actually at which time Swath Aunt-elite was a descre What lied e uuiretied floc offence. 11, ( Lord H , w:rk) agrned with It -en done since that time ? Why, up Sr the 2.lth of the Ilia: that such should be his ohj et t Ifni t h e fi s t st e p to presrt.t month sales had been made of land in South thatlyeared to him to he tho contiction of the agents to Australia to the amount of upwards of 120,000/. In the R Court et lavv. Tire Hon. Menden- said lie wished to runt of Adelahle there had entered ne less than 111 ships, throw light ueon these ufr'necs, but they w i n ., we ll known and the rise in the value of laud was perfectly incredible. already, and all earties wished mto be nut down. It Ile had been informed that in some parts of Adelaide the aepearect t o him that suffiuteht _ time uuls lee! not been ad t ow n land which had originally 'cost 12n. an acre, was now vanewl fer die interference of the Musk - , a•. , 1 he trusted 'worth tide-awls of 100/. la Australia a railway co rimy f l an hone v t, . e -emeer would not press his motion to a divi- hid been established, and two newspapers had been pub s: n - tmear, h e ,„.. ) . . lished; so much for a proper exercise of the prerogative of Sir 11011E.1IT PE EL s a id one consideration flaiew . ee t . ! e; e C row n. Let the House contrast these factse ohm the state to have be en•rmget e ,, , „.,,,,,, k, that they were es i t ' ahti,,h_ l rnent he had Riede whir regard toCanada. The principles that iv a very dangeroes pree/deri . e..._( Hear; hear. ) It they l i , ad b een alplied to Australia he would like to see universally j a Genre:ft w• grantet •;• '-',- t,t " I ev er y „fter the question 1,,, 1 „;, p le.d , but they could only be applied fairly by an Act tindergehe inv ''''',. :at l" It- ',a n an Electioa Committee in' of Parliament ; they coeds]. not be applied fairly by the lie prs-zient ca , w, , ; 0 " . . could prey refule lit institute inquiry i prerogative of the Croen without one. Her would b.: told, w ar n similar cooled-nets Mir fir,: a z in" " e id , the r cases. Wns ine doubt, that the questioe of juriadiction was a difficelt it suet, rio ., o d lb .1 the: . ..nrowy wa , to, be weeder:fed at the i one, bat he entertain .d no d0e . ..4 upon it himself. Could ; p..hfie , xi.en:t. ? (- 1 -• • E " . " 1--.4 'ic , •") Then it rip 1 ther e be any d ou bt that the Celonial Legislature would w5,.......--------,_—___________ - .' THE SUN, LONDON. ‘VEDNI4:SDAY. JUNE 26 Li-39 cordially co. operate with . the ImPerial Parliament, in adopt ing, those measures which were for their good. If the; Colo nial Legislature had claimed the waste lands they had only claimed them to prevent j - The feeling with respect emigration was universal; it was a feeling that. the Govern merit could .guide but it could not control or dam up They found men in the first station in society sending out their children to carve their fortunes in these colonies, and all he wanted was, that every facility shoirld be afforded to them to do so. Look to New - Zealand ; a few years -since the Government of this country refused to calordse that country, and now it was colonising itself. He be lieved the brother of his Hon. Friend the. Member for Leeds intended to embark the whole of his fortune in that colony.- Emigration would go on, and the only question was, whether it should go on under a proper or aa improper guidance. It was absurdto supppose that the aborigices were averse to colonization; all that was neces sary in dealing with them was to take care that justice was done them, and if it was, then they would be satisfied. These colonies would furnish constantly-increasing mar kets For their trade; because when they , vsere imbued with English tastes and habits, the demand would go on con tinually increasing. It was, after all, .to these colonies they must look for a market for their home pro duce, fur their trade was not increasing with the other states of Europe. In 1827 their export trade with the United States was one million sterling in 1831 it was nine millions, and in 1836 it was twelve ruilNoas, or more than half the value of their shipments to the whole of Europe, with a population fifteen times as great as that of the United States. Look, then, at the trifle of Great Britain wi.h the other Furore in States. It was fluctuating, and on the whole it might be con sidered as stationary. Their trade with Russia in 1827 was 1,180,907/. ; in 1836 it was 1,742,654/. That, at all events, could not he call an increasing trade. Their trade with Prussia in 1827 was 174,1381., and in 1836 it was 161,722/. Their trade with Germany, in 1827, was 4 651,618/., and in 1836 it was 4,463 540/. It ras the same with Porturral, Austria, and the American Co lonies. With Al, xico it teas in 1827, 903.7021., and in 1836 i was 432 902/. L. was manife)t, there fore, that in all these cases their t:ade was by Ito means an increasing one. Let them look, then, at the British North American colonies and the West .Indies— their trade with the fermcr, which, in 1827. wes 1.300.000/. had increased, in 1836, to 2,732,400/. In the West I *dies it ,had fluctuated very little, notwithst tad jog the West Indies had lady undergone the most im portant social change that Lad ever been accomplished. et the a look, then, at the nsw and rising cr lonics of Australia, in which the proi;reEs had been allno-t unex aompled in rimaidito. The value of their exports, in 1827, was 449,892/. ; it was now 1.180,5,34 1 .—(11ear, hear.) Their trade with Algoa was, in 1827, 552,000/. ; while, in 1834, it was only 236,000!. These statements would, he was satisfied, convince the House of the cape ,' dieney of extending the principle of disposing of ' land to ems rants at a reduced p r i ce , to every pat of the A ust ralian Colonies. He had now done with these . details ; but before he concluded he would observe upon one argumern which it was probable might be ad vaneed against him. Perhaps he might be told that they d d riot want to extend :heir Colonial dependencies—that they had cot colonies enough already. Was it meant to be asserted that they had roarleets enough 4:11i employiro nt enough already—that wages end prefits were high enough—and that there was no poli ical discontect, and an political or social sofTcrir:g ? Why, the Nit;onal Peti tion, with i:s 1,200.000 signatures, which stood for dis cussion that very night, was at once the child and the parent of the nstional distress which existed th•oaahout 'he country. These Were evtla, however, which might be overcome ; but they could not forget that there was a a foreign competition springing tip abroad amid that the English maeuroeurers r ere beaten in- the matkets which they formeily enj - myed as exc!usive' monopoly of.— ( Hear, hear ) lie asked whether it was not wise with that distress awl these dangers staring them in the face t o endeavour to open a safety valve for :heir superabun dant population, ar,d their enormous and overgroao trade. It appeared to him that no plan would be more effectual for that puroose than 0 c resolutions which h e we , s about to stfsmit to the Hause. fie was satisfie I tla it their adoption would open a new reit-act. of national prosperity, a n a g ive mploya c a t to a l arge b ody of the population. Let them only foil id •heir- Colon'es.on a sound prh , ciple, as they hal deem in South Audralia—let them give them a goad local Government as soon as the population lied mttained a certain account, and be was satisfied that th e most ben( fetal results would flow from it. Ile hoped his lion. Friend the Uoder Secretary for the Colonies would not to-night, l.y opp ;sing the present mo them. shut himeelf out from the greatest career of practical utility whieh any man could engage in. The Ilia. Meant tier eimehiled hysubmittine his resolutiona, and resumed his scat amidst cheers from all part; of the House. Sir W. INIOL ES WORTH had much pleasure in se conding the resolutions. Ills Hon. Friend proposed that a certain price should be affixed to the waste lands of these co l onies, and that the fund thereby raised should be applied to the ourp.mses cif emigration. By that means the prornie tws of these lands would be furaished with the labour which was necee-a:ry to bringthsm ioto a state of cuhive. Lion, and without which they would he comparatively useless. II i wine; paid much attention to the pi.teal colonies, he had been requested by his II Al. Friend to thaw h os- th . ese irn oortant principles might be spoiled to New South Wales and Van Diereco's land. For a considerable 'perk(' after the foundirig of the Colony of New South Wales. it was inhab ted solely by convicts, their superintendents, and the soldiers appointed to guard the prkiners. Sonic of the offieers obtained land on condition of supperting a certain number of convi c t s . The settlers thus made money, acquired more conv i cts as slaves, a n d the colony appeared to ba in the most thurialiing condition. Van DiCi . Mm's Lau.l rcas in macy respve'.s the same, la order to show how great hid b. en the increase of wealth, lie Would refer to co, tain returns before the house. IVOOI Wil3 the slaplo produce of Austral'a. ISOO the numleo- tmf sheep in Nut South Willies did not (evened 7,000. In 1830 there a ere halt" a end now they probably execeAol .3,000,000 • In 1807 the quantity of :wool exported was 215 lbas e iveiseh in 1828 it was 834,000 ;in the same year from New' South %Vales and .Van Diemen's Land the quantity, eva; 1,574 0001 k. ; and during the last eight year, the increeese had been no less than eightfOld, ameunting in value to 600.000! sterling Hear, bear.) The fisheries ereeexci cling ly valuable. 1823 the value was 33 000/., acid ire 1835 it had ineremed sixfold. I n 18 28 t h e i mports were 811,000/. ; in 1836 they had doubled, and the tonnage bad likewise doubled. The comMerce of the penal cole. nies in 1836, with a population not exceeding 125 - .000 persons, was equal to four-fifths of that ofthe Canadaseaed• double that of the 'ilatiritius. The market affmrded by the penal colonies for British produce. was equal to (4e-eighth of the whole colormial empire. He thought this showedabe necessity of adopting the principles advocated by his 1100. Friend, so a; to-prevent those - dangers that were now pendinme. Toe whole amount of the British funds expanded on the Colonies exceeded 8,001) 000/. and - the expense of m mintaining them was 5 0 0,0004 The increase of population hal gone on slowly, on 'ac ceunt of the unequal proportion of the sexes in the somber transported. But he was satisfied that no Government could long coritieue the present system of transportation. The a mployment of convicts as slaves had been condemned by every person, and the present system produced mon muoities as depraved as tiary were wealthy. The, colonies could only be supplied with labour by adapting the prin ciples of his Hon. Friend, and he thought the Colonial Office had acted wisely in objecting to the proposal of im porting Hill Coolies into NV h" South Wales, bee-fuse that would only be establishing a system of slavers'. The only way in which the Cel , nies could be supplied with labour was by emigration from this country. But he thought there was great objection to sending people from this country to the same place where criminals were sent, first, because it would in a great degree tend to diminiSh the fears of trans, portation, immasmircli as the condition of a labourer in our Colonies was represented as better than the condition of a labourer in this country,—and secondly, because it pro duced communities, as he had stated, worse than any other community in the world. That was fully proved by the Report of toe Transportation Committee. He entsr tooled serious doubts whether a Government was mo rally justified even in allowing the industrious classes of this country to emigrate to Colonies where their moral prin ciples were lisble to be subverted by contact with criminals If transportation were abolished, he thought there would be no difficulty in supplying the Colonies will labour, and the moral effect of the emigration from this country, in order to supply it, would indeed be very great. If during the next four cc five years 100;000 persons were located in the Colonies, within that time, they would in a very short time exceed :300,000. From returns he then held in his hand the expense attending emigration to those distatmt C denies cv old b about 201. He should propose that a sum of twa millions ought to be raised, and he thought it wauld be easily done at the rate of from 400,000/. to 502,0001. a-year upon the security of the laud;. lii 1836, the 4troduce of tacse land sales was 160,0001., at the very low rens of 5.3. an acre. Ha would ~ firopose that the House should pass; a Bill according to the plan of his Idol. Friend—that the land should be soid at 203. an acre —that would not be too much for the land in a wealthy community such as Van Diemen's Land. Ilia had• Co . doubt the money could be easily raised if the Government guaranteed the repayment—it might then be borrowed at a very little above the interest of money in this country. He had - deeply considered the subjoct and it been con firmed wi•hin these few days. He had received a report from the Committee of the Council in New South Wales, in which they propose to raise the same sum, and to have it applied to the same purposes—they had submitted the plan to 82 of the most influential of the settlers-58 of them heartily aproved of the plan, 8 declined to offer any ternark3, while only 18 objected to it, and that on the ground that it might be made a job of, aril the money be expended on other purposes than emigration. ?le was of opinion that amidst our possessions in kus• tralia and the Indian Seas seats for the agricultural and commercial operations aid interchanges of our countrymen :night be found which would fully indemnify us for those p artistic of the New World whlch we were soon about to lose. Thinking that the greatest advantages would re sult to this country from the settlement of those regions by men of our own race he warmly supported time motion of his H•m. Friend._ Cheers.) Mr. LA BO UCH E E said that whatever he might thirds of the general priaciplo, or of the details of the measure brought forward by the Ilan. Gentleman, it must be ad mitted that no subject of greater importance could occupy time attention of Parliament;—(Hear, hear.) It eas the duty of Parliament and of the - Government, by every fair means in its power, and particularly so now, when the dis- I position of the lower classes, and also of persons of the • nigher ranks, but of small capital, to settle in distant lands and work for independence, still continuing attached to British connections, was unprecedentedly strong. He thought it was our duty to assist the honourable desire o f those persons for independence, and no duty would better become Parliament and time Government them to exert the wealth and it.fluence which providence had blessed us with in diffusing Evils)] =liners and the Eng lish language over those distant portions sif the globe which were as yet unoccupied. His Hon. Friend began his speech by attacking the manner iv, which the Crown lands in our colonies had been disposed of up to the last ten Years. He would not def. nd that system. He (Mr. La bouebere) would admit that irretrievable mischiefs had 'risen horn the j .bbing in Crown lands, to - which it had given rice. It was impossible to. read Lord Dur ham's report on N 'rah America without feeling ;he strongest in ligetation up:n reflecting ;how much a e ter state of thiogs have prevailed in those provinces, if anothersystem of di: posing of the Crown lands had been pursucd.—( Hear, hear, hear.) But now the dlfficulty was to r.arace our steps— Sad revocare g rectum . sup .irasmte evadei e ad. auras, - Hie labor, hoc opus est. The Government must proceed [with great caution amidst the complicated difficulties that now were before them, but •t was determined that the late system of abuses should no longer be continued. He agreed that the best way to dis pose of the Crown lands would be by impartial sale._ ( . 11ear. ) But at the same time he must say that neither he nor his more experienced friends in the House were inclined to pleigo themselves to the general principle or to the details of the Hon. Gentleman's motion. There was now a fixed method of selling the Crown lands by auction, both in our Colonies and in the United States of America. But he found many well-informed persons— and amongst those Gevernors of Colonies—who were of opinion that instead of Adopting a fixed maxima price for Crown lauds everywhere, as recommended by the and then leave it to the , better to put up the :lands ‘11? u I ):n an i) . e c t Gt i i t oc i a atl:ntle a o n t a l mn ri ' d iti' de tiarwsu.ontulpdt-rjibeceeweein favour of this rem Odois‘tei distinguished si t;t c4Nwe public N.a 1 c 1 , ,, e s s _ i r a(3 ll .v e eGryi n p p pd i s n .._, i s o e n vvr‘li : n ): g. ,t t h h iaa e rt,dthe principl e should be adhered t o , of selting - all holds by pu b lic action. He ( Mr. Lebou , Acre) agreed in the propriety of the general principle that it was most desirable that as large is proportisn of the produce of the sales of land should be devoted to the en couragement of emigration, as could be spared from other very important objects,—f Hear, hear.)- But he did oleject to the House pleigieg itself to any strict and aletleite principle.—( Hear, hear ) It hail been said that Seuth ustrala was a model in this respect. • Ile - did not deny that td is colony had been founded on most excellent prin. eiples, and that its prosp-rity had been most remark tble. And it had certainly beea down. es a fundanontal orinciple in the original Act, that the entire produce of the land sales should be devoted to emigration. But let the House mark that not a year had passed before a very essential modification of the Act was t eqeired.—( Hear, hear ) The Commissioners snore borrowing money attache per .cent. Thin eas foetid a very extravagant course, and a provisi o n was secure d , t h ough a little disguised, with the. real design of coablingethe land sales fund to be appro priated to general purposes. Was he not justified then in calling upon the House to pause before they, iii the rpie sent imperfect stale of i.ifortinvion, proceeded to pledge themselves to a plat; of this description ? The felines of the Colooists themselves must not be forgotten, and if they were found averse to any other mode of raising.- a revenue by taxation, and there were pressing wants to be ,o - evhierl .for cormecte& wi h time nee...sea:7 expenses of the G mvernment, surely they ,sh ba cansidered.— ( Hear. ) There were other. important of jects calling, for provision. equally im:tortaut wilt the encourrgetnent of emigration, Whit!, fer example, could be a more sa t-red claim than the protection •of the aborigines, rhos: lands we have poasessed ourselves of Hear, bear.) Therm there were the :risking cif the roads, surveying, &v. —objc eta which might very fitly be provided for out of teese funds.—(blear.) All he wished to impress upon his Hon. Friends was the itneessibility of adhering to strict rules, hiele tl.oigh they might 1 ok very well • upon pawn, must practically be ) As to the power of anticipating f uture. sa l es, he, agreed that it m i g h t b e eel! to allow. this under certain circumstances. B t such a power ought never to be allowed, except with great caution, and tlith c-ireful ( Hear.) S.r G. Gieps had pointed out the baneful .effse s• produced on a : . : x e t i r o a n , y .;g b , y ric(t thia fae a tiiieua west ; and the t emp t at i on t•, consequent up en the idea of a lavishly supplied treasury.--( Loud cries of" Hear, hear ) The House had be en told that the system acted on hitherto h d been im meect and inadequate, end that the land reve nue hal been diverted to other pureeses, and consequently that a s'ee had heee pat to the prosperty of the Colony. lie would read a statement of the 'amount of the laral reve• rue of the colony of New South Wales for sae e time , past. 1.11830; the amou:it (Attie land rsvenue of the Colony we: 1 . 5 961 This ices under the old system of freegr 1831, it amennted to 3,6831 ; -in 1832. to 13 683/ ; in 18 33, to 2).272!. ; in 18.31. to 42 489/ ; in .1833, to 80.875/ ; in 18.36, to 108 358/. "; and in 1837, to 1 27,8661. New, out of this revenue . dime had bsen voted enceuraging- emierati .n in 1832, 5,377/. ; in 1833. :1 200/. ; in 183 1 7 973/. ; in 18.35 10 7641. ; in 1833, 11,7911. : in 1637, 44,729! Tois year 18 37 was the fi"t in which the 0 ,varninent plan for eticauraging emigration e .me into operation—it had come into operete on about the middle of last year, having been ',heed under the controul ef a son trate department for that purpose wider the Co lonial Office. hi' 18:31, when the plan c .me wholly into rep ;ration 1 00,03(1/. had been voted for the purpose of emi gration to N.fw South Wales alone—there hail been 2-1 emigrant ships dispa•ehed from this comely to New Sseth Wales, having on board 6,509 soulse the :ood estima ted exp:inse of the einierrati 'n was 116,000/ Sathat in two years an additim of 10 030 scads Lad been male to the colony; the whole population of [which eirmtrited to - 100 000 souk lie thought his [lon. Fiend would edmit 'that this was not either a miserable nor a slieleing way of cen looting emi gration. Ile thought if his Hen. Ft iceod would look to that part of the question he would he aware that great temporary evil might aidae from forcing emigration. The last account from S.r George Gipps a ~ i 7, that owing to the extensive ana sudden thought there was at that me actually ro der:l,nd for • labour, and he thought if they to , lt from the Colonists all control over these matters . the result could not but 13 c very dislitrol,.. Hr Ks# fully 3:•rtil,le of the great it,portatice of this question, and his Noble Ftieril the Secretary for the Colonies ft t incest anxious on the subject, which was One to which he would demote-his attention at the ea opportunity; and 'which he would approach t ;telly ueprejud:ced on the sub. j% et. He hoped ie the preeint state of the ll,:use his Ii n. iend . Would not tress his motion to a division ; 'he easidered it 'a miestien more properly belonging to the Executive- Gore n Merit. He did not say this With any in t, ntion of givi, - ;g the question the . go by, bec ause h e was sensible it was a su bj e t requiring the greatest examina tion. ILA caution, Mr. WARB IiRTON hoped his Hon Friend would not accede to this - sugghstior e or rest satisfied with the as-. suramice that the matter should receive the conaideratioe of the G efernsectit. What he asked was, that a cereain fixed principle ghoul,' be Hid do wn orm which the Government was to act, and looking at the unsteady mode of action which bad been pursued by dmfferent Colonial Seeretar'es, he thought- they wanted some fixed law fur the regulation of these matters. As an instance ,of the way in a hick th e C o l o ni e s were managed, he would mention the case of Nova Scotia. In that Colony, a grant bad been made to the lat e Duke of York, which had been the subject of jest complaint. Could it be. to the advant.ige c,f the Colony, that in order to pay his gambling debts, a Prince Royal sho u ld have gr ai n e d to h i m by the men treh of the country. all the mines and minerals of a whole Colony; the next day the Prince male a silo of this grant, to - a silversmith, to whorn these important rights were transferred in perpetuity and taken from the Colonists, who of course have. a deep stake.. and d e n p o e w nd e t d h c on the c m c easnsnerofin whichsteam in the matter, inhaivsigsialtvieornsniinithtinoticigohlotnYehoone to exereise these rights. This was such an enormity as wou ld almost justify rebel. lion. If a man wished to libel our Colonial Govern Meat, what could he assert more monstrous than this fact Ton )e-ms ago he applied to the Colonial Secretary of the day On the subject, and h-id been told there were no pip ers he could move for; he had been kept in •the dart{ on the subject, but now the .nett e- had been brought to light by the debates in the Colonial Assembly of Nova Scotia. a This showed . the rraaner which C o l on i al affairs had been mismanaged, and one g ound of his for support i ng the motion °Ellis lion. Friend was th a t t h ey would thereby ob tialienaagrmeuerdetpermanentn'tihe •at t li gent s) stem of legisl ion observations that had fallen from the Under Secretary for the C o l o ,i es to some leans to be rai se d upon the the country, it on i g h t l ead to great extent. i hili e ne o dt n h y : reu. e vg j e ch e nt e u e ief . sthoe t ty' l hoped that, if not in the present Session, at some early period there would be some clear declaration made In that House of its dettirreientioa to place the proceeds of the land of the colonies to the pur poses of emigratien. Mr. LUCAS thought if the. present question was important as regarded Englan 1, it was far more a , :as regarded Ireland. No person could look to the subject without great anxiety. Although he was not premmed to go altogether along with the resolution of the Hon. Member for Sheffield, there were many parts of it -with .which he entirely concurred. With regard to the first. resolution that met with his entire approbation. lie thought that a greet number of the arguments of the Hon. Member were well deserving the attention of the House. He agreed with him in that position, in which he was at variance with the Right !lout Gentleman the Under Secretary fur the colonies, that. the money, time produce of pureleeied land, iboul:i he eipiied to emigre tios alone. He thought tine Land Fend ought not to he left at the disposal of the local Gevernment.— I Hear, hear.) Hu agreed with Islam that there should be a fixed principle, and a certain system of emigration, which should be well known not only in this country, but in Ireland. In the Poor law Bill that passed last year, there wis a provido a to enable Unions to tax themselves to provide an emigration fund, and if it had been generally known what that fund would have enabled then, 'to do, more emigration would no doubt have taken place It appeared to him that in the state of transition which that country was undergoing, there would be a constant stream of emigration flowing out of the country, and it was there fore full time fur the(government to take the subject intoits consideratien. rod adopt some fixed principle upon which they would be prepared to act. 'lime , 70,000 or 90,000 of his unfortunate countrytuen, who were working for th' lowest wages, and taking the breed out of the mou hs of the Eitglis'n labourers of Liverpool would be consider. ably augmented when the Poor. law came into °ecru len in li-tient'. facilities were then atirmded for emigration, it would be a moat salutary and judicious vent for thet•sta abundant pepul at i on. • - B y d evoting t the sale of the se l ands to the purposes of emigration, cx pe actly in prop ort i on as the land rose in the same propor tion would he the demand for labour. Ile would su,gges, also the propriety of encouraging and p..omoting subserip. tions from public bodies, private individuals, and- even the emigrant s th emselves, which would enable theG" vernment to t ransm i t a much lirger number of emigrant s He trnsted if something was not done curing the presen- Sossion, that at least steps would b e taken to carry th e principle into effect early in the next Session of Par. liament. Lord HOWICK was glad to find that the proposition or the than. Member had received the.support ^ l. s" many gentlem n on both sides of the House.. Nothing was farther from his intention than to press a contrary opini on upon the House, as to the general principle which had been advanced by the lion. Al s etnber. Oa the contrary, he fully agreed as to its soundneso and importance. It did great honour and credit to the lion. Member who bad brought it fer ward, because it was one which had never before been touch - d open with reference to the colonies.. P. ;las also of general application, and he was .Convinced 1 4 _, ‘ VENI NI 4 ED 111 that the great measure of Slave Emancipation in the West `vet erjoeed, the confilence of the pertpla, end' sai-11-- 5- Indies would not produce all the - beneficial consequences deed would be the attempt in the district most thietly which were anticipated from it, unless means acre adopted sown with 'Whigs---(Latighter)—no revive the seaelt o 's s by the Legislatures of these C. , lonics to apply the important cry. " the Bill, the is bole Bill, and nothing bet : theetildt" principle to the affording of a regular and continuous sup- Proposels had been made for an extension of the stiffr. 'g e ' ply of labour. But it was a different question whether the but they all Partook of the same • injustice of p.ineltd'e -8 ' principle should be adopted by the floute. It WAS impos- the Reform 811 itself, and could only, therefore, serve a' . . Bible to pass the first resolution unless it was determined to stepping stones to that which must at no distant . period h'-' carry it imm7dietely into r ithet. With resit ct to the sue- procured—Universal Suffrage. His obit etioii to Uniterf' d ending ones, even some of the Hon. Members who had Suff. ar Wal, tha t i t would g i ve to the numericel maj rs'Y supported them h r d a d m itt e d t h at t h ey were cot withtiut of the nation exclusive- representation, an d, th e refore , preponderating power. Now he beli eve d t h at suc h Jrr her would apply th em t o a ll t h e B r i t i s h Colonies —even to very great obje c ti ons . Th ese reso l utions were far too absolute and genera l, an d i t appeared t h at the Hon. Alem• ponderaring power could not safely he vest e d i n an y ales` , and - could not justly be pnssested ley any cla ss , mei. could the North Americ an C o l on i es, which bad now arriv e d a t it be exereited without danger ye the rest of the Commit' very contiderehle populati on , wealth, and importance, and Mr. SHA W suggested that Australia wanted as much nits, especially when the party using it had the phts'-e al that hal Legislatures of ther own. with which they would as arty other thine, a steam post communication• powers of the State, and were therefore irresistible. When very. ntuch :nterfer e by th e ad o pti on o f these rescliviorm. Mr. J. O'BRIEN said the the whole question had been the petiti on was brought to him by some members o f that The Han. Member had stated, and stated-truly, th a t v e r y exhausted, and he would net detain them lo.tger then by association which caked itself the Nati ona l convention great abuses had formerly existed in these colonie s . li e stating in contredictioe to the Noble Lord that the 10,000 of the Working. Classes, he explained to th e m clearly th e entirely agreed in these observations, ' but he could n o t who where wanted might be supplied from that district in views he entertaieed, and he stated to th em , r. s was hi t s admit that th e y were exc l us i ve l y to he attributed t o th e fraud with which he w as connecte d, There was no duty, f u lly, freely, and fairly, the obj ect i ons he entertaine" Governors of these colonies in these day' s . fi e b e liev e d that M •mber who felt a deeper interest in the question than he against th e present tttloverriment. B u t a l t h oug h in the a great part of th e i r errors arose, not so much fom corrupt did--( flea-) inuel sen se o f t h e wor d h e di tap p royed of Universal S u r' motives as from honest and re a l m i sta k es as ts the policy to Mr. DARBY th oug h t i t wou ld be impossible far the f rage t there was nn man w h o cou ld approv e more strong ly be pursued— m i t t a k es in vs hieh the Legislature Wits quite as House to aeree to these resolutions. than hiineelf—there was no man who would support mere much to blame as the Governing of those .celonies. It had Mr. WA RD replied. He trusted that a different zealously titan himself, the right of the labouri ng always been a popular notion, that there could not he too feeling would be evinced when the question should be classes ofthet coulitry, r e t u t of every other class ° f much facility efforded for the purchase of land in Canada Again brought forward, and that Government would then the community to be fully represented; a full represrnta and the North American colonies. . But it was n o t p ert deal with it as its importance required. The lionoutable tion, however, did not mean an exclusive representati°Th calved that th ese f ac ili t i es tended to throw large tracts of Member concluded by withdrawing his resolutions. ' - but such a re p resentat i on as would be possessed by tha t land into the hands of .a few individuals. Great care had Captain PECH E LI , then rose to call the attention of' class in common with meow other class of the cominueitYh been taken t , prevent any eraats o f l an d ex c e p t to ac t ua l • the House to the operation of the Act.of last Session - for There was, as it appeared m, one principle on tvhi w e" settlers. Provi s i ons f or t h at purpose had been 1 -id down, granting certain bounties on tonnage of vessels condemned it was just and reasonable'to to precee hi d, tlet tof representing' but it was found practically imp •ssible to carry them out. under the late treaty with Spain. not exclusi, in at each class ld ave He believed, ho wever , t h at the sounder princ An HON. eile weuld HON. MEMBER moved that the H ouse b e counte d , is separate r tely eprese hut ntativ cl e, asses—th and then each class shou wohld h bet be to give the land to any one who was willing to pay for end there being only 23 membets present, the Hettse ad- as it ought to be, fully represented, and no darirre'r what it. ,onwti anti let them deal w i t h i t as they pleased —( Hear.) jiurned at a quarter past Tw e l ve o ' c l oc k . But ever would b e e p dre h en d e d t h at one influence Wt in all their deliberations they m us t not f orget -emu swamp another. Unless that principle Were a dopted he tb.tt the Assembly of Lower Canada, when pressed upon HO USE OF LORDS, JUNE 25. should consider it his duty to oppose all extension of tile the point by Lord Goderich, refused to concur, there Tile Loan CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack Suffrage, whatever might be its object. But if that pain' ht in; then a strong feclieg eatsting in favour of free at Five o'Clock, ciple which was just and reasonable, end salutary, Wer e grants. These free grints acre taken by parties who The ashop of LINCOLN presented a variety of pcti_ adopted, be for one should think it rght and fe-isil'ile that were put forward by the large speeulaters, and as soon as tions, praying ft r the protection of the Established Church , every man in the country should litre a vote, aal he they had obtained their grants they were immediately sold Lord SK EL MERSD A L E presented a petition from a thought that many advantages would result from to the (weer party. in the neighbouring country, the place in Lincolnshire against any of the plans proposed by that better system of representation. With respect to the Sir es of America, there was also a very strong feeding Government for a system of national education. Billow which formed another subject of the petidep, he in favour td . IA hat was called th e easy occupation of land The Bishep of EXETER presented a petition against agreed, in one respect, with one observation made .by the by the settlers, which eas decidedly opposed to the grin_ the Church Discipline Bill; several petitions against the Noble Lord the Secretary of State for the Heine D - Part' elide of the resolutions of the Hui. Member. That feeling proposed system of nation a l education, and against any fur- ment, in a letter -addressed to his constituents at Stroud , was the cruse of the Lynch Lew, and all the barbarities ther connection with, or countenatice of, the College of .. th a t th e B a ll ot b a d no sense or meaning whatevereel ' which were fieque n tly ace: u i ng in the. West, and which .11 rynooth• crept when attended with an exteasien—a great cetensiene ~ were totheard of when the people of that country were con- The Marquis of WESTME A T . 11 wished iO 'know and the N..ble Lord should hav e said, the greatest eand fined to their localities by being stwrOureled by warlike whether the Noble Viscount had made tiny They did inquiries into largest possibl e . e xtens i on— " of the suffrage—an d if that savages.- not then ditperse themselves, but n ow the circumstance respe c ti ng th e li v i ng in Ireland, which wer e adopted, those who now exercised their political trust the feeling for the easy occupation of land had become he had mentioned a Noble Friend of his had been de- for the benefit of others, would exercise that trutt secretlY strong upon them. 1.1 the consideration of the quest i on prived of. and without the m eans o f k now i ng whether-it was properly' it must not be . f orgotten t h at practically theepestion was Lord MELBOURNE said h e h a d ma d e i nqu i r i es i nto or improperly discharged. But exclusive of that coneide• surrounded with very considerable dfri'..uWes, in conic.. it, and he found that the question in dispute was ration, he thonght, besides destroying all th e more ldnflo• quince of the t e rrit or i a l arid Crown revenu es h aving - b een between th e I r i s h G overnment an d a N o b le Lord, a mice which the non-electors poSstseed, it was liable to given up to the Assemblies. Since the t had been' dune, Member of their Lordships' House. The Irish Government all those cbjections which had been so f ireihlY . and t the Crown had no auteerity to act in carrying out these contended that the right of presentation was in it, and the unanswerably urged by the Eev. Sydney Smiths _Allet" e : measures, except in - concurrence with the Assenibli- s. Ile Neble Lord contended the right was in him. --. '• ' point was the property qualification of, Members cf P an " believed that a great c'eal night bat done by concession, The Marquis of WESTMF . :ATH could show that this !lament. At present it was - well known that many of these anl lie would .tt ongly caution the House against any particular ease was distinguished from all others. qualifications were fictitious. If it were abolished the attempt at coercion. Persuasion mid eoneilittion would Lord PORTM AN ruse to order. It was not ennipe- mercantile and melded classes would take special came, fur h e found far more succetsfal than restriction and coercion. tent for the Nuble Marquis to bring under discuseion in their own sakes, that persens of property were their 'Titre; Se far, then, as the North Aencriean coliMies %%ere can that 11,, uie a q ues ti on which eith er was o r might be stntuives. As to the payment of Members of Parliatitr n . corned, he thought it would be b a i .p o imy to a d ept the subject of a contest in a Court of law, and which he thought the st stem was strictly conformable to ane'l these resolutions. Then with respect to our West might ultimately have to come before their Lordships for usage, and free ' from - all reasonable ohjaations, prewile cr. Indian pessttsions. The Hon. Alernber had et- -ativ filtd decision . er,,,,,, Members might accept or refuse it as they thought Pr ^ P i y praised a certain despatch of Lord Glen, lte , but he said ' Lord heh-.--to 4 E rose to move the Order of Day for As to annual Parliaments be considered th em eine' .. he was afraid it had been almost a dead I, tter. No doute the seemed reeding of the High Sheriff's Expenses Bill. absurd. There were fe..v h.gislative measures cf which it had se, because, to ttke the ca se of Jamaica, the Crown, 'rho Earl of WICKLOW said it was always usual to either the advantages or ditadvantaees could be know t t. in before that despatch went Out, was not in posseseion co take the petitions first. the the course o f i f ew months, and the cond uc t o f l'4 l-11 , a ; more .thad 5,000 acres in whol e island. d 'So far a s hi s Lord COLBORNE s a id th a t th e or d er f or I l le• second ment, in th a t cas e, wou ld very much resemble t h a t 0' ti opiiiion went, he demeht they should • tattemer to induce reading of this Bill was the first on the paper. 1- - person wholly unskilled in husbandry, who,. having t tev 'y''.'e . ' the Ass mhlies to raise the necessary revenue entirely Lod 13R0 UGH AM seid that there wts no such thing a field of grain, would plough it up aeain if it A ' ffoin th e land—Mar, hear)—but that could only be as a first Order of the Day ; and that, besides that, the not make its erearance as soon as' he esP eete "; t • m o r e by the consent of the C donial Assemblies, and there- House was summoned on a particular petition. He again repeated, there was no man who could be a o that House was not applicabie to the fore a resolution of Lord RADNOR. said that certainfy there *as as little zealous advocate.for a fall represeritation of the lebou r '"s occasion. ll' then came to the question as te theirappliea u: . der and regularity in their Lordship s ' proceedings, as class of this country—a class the most meritorious ath bility to our Australian colonies. The Hon. Member wished could well be found anywhere ; but certainly it had.elways most useful in the country. Labour Was in itself a sile e ' tg bat for a fixed principle, and one st hieh would• not be liable been the practice to take the petitions first. • a of property ; and even if a person had no property cr o le to be chanced upon the actetsion of a new Colonial Se PENNY POSTAGE. ever, he Lad personal rights sehich it tea t the duty of ' 4 , 1 cretary. Now, every Coloni il Secretary since the time of The Earl of RADNOR presented a variety of pet:t,ons liement to protect. ' If he could entertain any dead h i s public - Ripen, had carefully carried out' the principle ol prating ter the adoption of a uniform rate of penny that subject, or if there bad been any uncerteinty in his public sales of 1 old, and no grant had been made except postage. The Noble L or d .said th a t, eonsie.erin g the mind upon it, thote doubts would be reinovcd, and his 0 ' 1 1 ; where the faith of th e country had baen pledged to indit e ; peat anxiety that p reva il e d, b o th i n t h e C i ty and viction estalWished, by. the New P oor -l aw , w hi c h w as .in' t t; duds. It was said they oug h t to h ave an Act of Parliament in the manufacturing districts, be was desirous of stated by his venerable and late lamented Noble Frieri for the purpose of applying money exclusively to the pur Knowing from the Noble Viscount at the head Lnrd Eldon, to be the most ditgraceful law which Cie!. poses of emigration. But it was impossible to lay down, in of her Majesty's Government whether it was th e intention disgraced a Christian country—a ' law which could not I," s j, en absolute manner, a principle .that was always to bi. of the Government to bring in a Bill for the adoption of a hen r a=sed, nor even proposed to a House. in wo' c adhered to. There ware many objects to w hi ch , o e eony postage. , the Itbouritig class had been represented. He sho u lde t W:ls necessary to apply the revenue. All the ex Lord ME L BOURN E begged ta say that it was receive, also, a confirmation of Lis opinion by t ha t pens; of the revenue ought first tai be taken up. 'be intention of her 318j.taty'a Goverrim.!nt to carry most mishier such as the expenses ot surveys, of the formation o' hat pl in into effect. Considering th e strong in- class viewed with indignation and abhorrence, which bad ous system of flee trade_ svhich the labouring roads, of the erectiontolsehools, ' , Sec o - which were neces- 'crest it excited, and the bent fats and advantages that been so injurious to their interest, and %Ilia had dePritt h e strwto the profitable iutaleitation and settlement of the unquestionably belonged to it, it was time intention of the so many of them of employment for the benefit of forei gn colony. It these expenses wese not - raisad by mon,. Goternment to carry the plan into effect with *all prec- nations, from ehom we had not and could not expect t „ from the sale of land they must be raised by taxes on thi "cable speed.—(Cheer. ) His Nobl e Friend must, how- receive any corresponding advantage. Ile should find it d stricts, tilde% wou ld b e attended with great ddfieultY. it ever , be ae are that in order to make so great a change a also in the miser a ble an d most d ep l ora bl e condition. o t tr „ 'c . wanwdereble prep a r a ti on was absolutely necessary'; ' and l a b our i ng c l ass t h emse l ves, whose sorrows and tyleh tt they were to hove a countm regularly improved and eiviliz . d and the popul a ti on exten d ed, the only mode in which is tie ( Lerd Melbourne) und er st oo d hi s Right litre Friend sufferines would hive secured the sy m p at h y o f a flout , ' could be ace implished WAS, by chargitig such a price for ,he Chancellor of the - Exchequer had given notice in another i n whicri they Lad been fully .represented, and whew.: tve! plaice that he iidended to bring forward his budget at no fare would have been the object of their unceasing s oli c i t the lend that a portion of the preduce could be applied to forming m e a ns o f commun i cttion, and erecting those li. tint day. The House and the publi c wou ld t h en b e put tude. And here he entreated th e i r L or d s hi ps to consitlce bu Idizigs whi c h were necessary for the existence of civili nto pessetsion of the whol e int en ti on o f th e Governinent f o r a mom en t th e p resen t con d it i on o f the country— Rh z ition. Th e r i g h t way o f l ooking at the •question was to respecting the mess .res th e y i n t en d e d t o t a k e ,. an d a f ter abstract their thoughts for a few moments from party, and consider the meeey arising from the sale of lend as se toting that he thought it would be more convenient that eal t nly and dispassionately lo kat wh.it was the c ause . much of the cap i ta l of tie co l ony, which tray to be veste ,; ,me sh ou l d net enter further into the question of that cry, which h a d b een ra i se d i n s, ma n) , in perm anen t i m p rovements. ' fnis was a principle whirl- :t present. It was , h owever , t h e i ntent i on o f parts of the coentry for Universal Suffrage ; an d a t w hat ter M .jevy's G o v e r nmen t t o , carry t h e pl an i nto ex e cu- were the cauea of the unexatepled a g itation that roc k , l could not be t oo regu k rly enforced. Illiourabl. M , inbers objected to the produce of Vie land bong., 'man ; and th e y meant, to a d o pt measures i n th a t House to the country. Whence. did it arise that ill so inany var i o us_ applied t o t h e payment of the police ; hut it was bets, . 4 iv e th em a ll t h e p owers w i nc h were not given to them di.striets :t . the cou n try arms had b,:en provided, as if itoler the present P es t_ o ffi ce Act s that wer e necessary to time country were prepering fora civil war ? Ile needed I that that money sl,mulmi be so applied than that this eountr, should be taxed f.e. maintainin g that police.. Not yin , -liable them to make the arrangenient.—(Cheers.) not here to ob , ,erve that he had always di s app rov ed of could be more fair than theta lirge proportion of t'me ex. . I " Tne Earl of RIPON wished to Iti,ow wheth e r it was in the r oplc's arnimng theteselve.3, c,.:lsidrring such a prac pease -of the police •establishment in New Sotoh WI,- tended that this adoption of the penny pottage wat - to be w ee ne w t wi e fi ous to the cause it was hownded to sup nade conwegeet upon the loss that the revenue'might.sU3- port_(Cht•crs)—consideting that the employment of arms shou'd be cherged upon the colony. The How Member for Ueda had observed that the extraordbiaty proenets in the could Iced only to one - or:o th er of two most melancholy al. .Kiti by its being mede up in another vett, as he had under that that was the meaning of the Chancellor of the ternativea—_either to univerealanarchy.or to a most &Floe weelth of Out colony was entirely attributable to the corn mend of labour over diode convicts. WI - en they obtained Exchequer on the subject. . rabic state of detpottsm. Nor didbe thinkdhat arms com a that wealth th e y h a d no r i g h t to throw from their shoulders Lord MELBOURNE said—Most certainly. add ant thing to the strength of those who. were tiroc u r e ": the - hurt:lea of maintaining erder.—( Hear, hear.) If thee The Marquis of NOR MANB Y laid upon the table cer- tomcd to the use of them, and their Lordships , t to , refused to pay th e t ax f or keepi ng u p the police, , tie cola min returns relative to the repairing and building of gaols that When .rage, resentment, and revenge, unsettlt ( J [lists must surf r from - the diminution of the fund- in Ireland. minds of the people, neither prudence-nor wisdom dic ta ted up. , app:leable to the - purposes of emigretion. If the. THE CHARTISTS. the course they pursued. He had always thought the e a t ' • did not choose to provide from other The Earl of STANHOPE presented a p etit i on from PI"Y , ,Crf 14 funds for the other necessary expenses, it nas not fair i Stoke-upon- Trent praying for Universal Suffrage, a repeal ment of armstwesunneceseary and improper, begat' that truth must prevail, and that perwevering aria pe • was :lot just, to the highly...taxeJ people of this country to of the. Taxes upon Knowledge, a repeal of the Poor-law throw oa them this burden. He thought - under h t It d Act. dthe . • •• ~ Lest• . men merit, an immediate umancipaeon o the ne- But , exertion of moral force must succeed,. he could not Mite!: ,• f lain the shadow of a doubt.— Hear, } Sc ar) circumstances, they could not bind themselves by an eroes; also a petition from Walsall, praying for .Annual linnt positive rule as to the application of 'any definite portion Parliaments and Vote by Ballot. A petition from thyme would ask agein, to what were their Lordships to escrlh e that state. of things, which no man could look to wit . of the funds to the promotion of emig - ration. The Hon ton, praying for Univm sal Suffrage., Short Parfamenta, anxiety and alarm—that state of things which, accor ding Member had alluded on this subject to the policy arlopteo io Property Qualifications bY Members , and Vote by to the Noble Viscount's statemnt, a short time ago, aushu , by the United States. The st stem they. adopted was, Ballot. A petition fiom the Working Alen's Asseriatioe many of oar fellow.subjects to. believe that even the very opposite. to that one that he recommended el London, to the same effect, an d recommendie were without security for their preperty and their I,ve- • for the UtUted States applyiog, the whole of the revenue ihe division of the United Kingdom into 300. elector al With an anxious &she to acquire correct information onf, derived from tl:e sale of land to the ordinary and currere listriets, in proportion to the amount of population. the subject, he had asked the question in _other plac? s, th o e now th sc r) h expenses, and do riot even assist an emigrant in moving The last petition was from a meeting held at Oldhem, at consulted upen it, 114 a us , persons best able to be from the Eastern into the Western S..ates. He could not elicit 300,000 persons were present. The petition was answer he had received' was, that the first the but remark that in alluding to South Australia the Hon. signed by time Chairman, a gentleman for whom he ' enter. of the arming was the New Poor-law Act; io t e u rri Member. had omitted all reference to the important fact, twined greet private friendship, and public regard-s--he second, the desperate ondii in of the har'd : too that even in that colony they had been compelled to delta' , meant Mr. Fielden, one of the Members ' for that vieavers ; he third, the disgraceful situation in w hicl ar frem the rule they had laid dow n to themselves on that owough. The petitioners prayed their Lordships factory. system still continued t. and the fourth, was h , ‘ ,1 . : . 1 subject, and he should like to know what other taxes had to take it into their consideration, as they were icter- to be considered as a substantive cause, but was thc eft s , been raised in ghat colony t. for the ordinary purposes of mined to use their utin ist endeavours, by all constitutional Government. His flon..Fr:end had hardly alluded to time nears to have a law passed, giving te every person of I was induce of the disturbences and discontent thet prevailed throug a d t out the country. Two years ago, %hen he other South Aug:l-alien Colonies, but he would ask hint maw: c age the right of voting for Alm - niters of Ptrliernent, by time urgent desire, anti he might say if a great deal had net been accomplished it eight years : Vete by Ballet, no Property Qualification for Members, mend of his fellow-subjects to _resume his seat in t hat ict at that period every one had concurrel in deprecatine th end the remum rition of Members of Parliament by their House, from which he had-so long seceded, from a c°nT;ut change which had been iiitroduced, he had been told elm. eoestituents. Seven or eight years ago he hal ex- the express ( ! o ' won that the little exertion he could use must be utterly. ' eil. 10,0001. was the maximum that could ever be produced pressed his conviction, that unless Parliament redressed effectuel for the benefit of the country, lie stated to tH oo _ poor-Lu b e c by the sale of their lands, in fact, all those connectet he grievances of the country, the argument , ' in L irdships, that unless they repealed the New with the co:ony concurred that that source of revenue favour of a reform of Parliament would be. unenswer- Act, the. inevitable consequence wou ld an d must Lil o could not b • sethly reckoned on at all ;he had great cliffi irk, and would prove to be irresistible. He need not Universal Suff-age, and a partition of. property. He '''.° culty in indu c i ng L or d Al thorp to consent to charging bserves that his an ti c i pa ti ons h a d been fitly confirmed, I not on this occasion quote any Radical authority co ws this sum the general revenue b y anticipation from this .iad been asser t e d t h a t t h e F renc h R evo l ut i on i n July was t hi s po i nt, but he would , uote the sentinie"t ,oerce, ft e objected to anticipating th e revenue deriver , he cause of the English Refor m o f P ar li ament , b ut never o f a work conducted with emi nen t ab i lity, upo n High Chur ch h, frem • the sale of land, and, i n t h e present state of Australia, were two things so wholly unconnected with each of England t rieciples, The Church V England Quer''' . ', consider e d i t hi g hl y i nexpedient to send over a number 01 other. The French had not suffered u n d er grievous It virw. The author of that w ork said •' Ii the presen t emigrants greater than the colony was pr.-pared to receive. hiswessee which had so frequently and -se tinfor- suffering and oppression continued there will s be but one ri The colony was cot anx i ous f or indiscriminate emigration. tuately afflicted that country. The r ea l cause o f cr y a ll '-ver the country, till H eaven itself echo back tl Tne feeli ng was strong against it, and in order that nits that evert, it appeared to him, was most co rrec tl y stat ed b y sound, for U n i versa l S u ff rage. T h i s awful. consequen. e System sh ould work well it was neme s s a ey t o take the , person w h o h a d t h e sagacity to ditcoyer end thwea n d out will] all the ruin it involyes we chtrge upon the new P ° ". colonists with-them: But if emigration ' were carried to t,o avow it—by one who was and still continued a zealous law." And again, • the author said, " The heart that Is - • too eery trifling extent beyond the demand of the colon , h supporter of it—who was a former Member- of • the withered by persecution obtains an awful ema,nerpet could receive a check from which it would not recove r for Cabinet, and who had 'declared that without Peel's - Bill from the ordinary restraints of civiliaed. society, °t ic° years. 'fhe Newspepers would be fail of exagger a t e d ac . , h e y never w o uld haye had a Reform in Pediment. half the population is rendered liable to that "- will be counts of the sufferings of emigrants. Thit fact Was ex Had it not been fur the discontent cogentlered by that trend y." . . . " Es-cry drop of bl red that emplified by what took place in Canada in la33d, at the edict of confiscation, for such it might be property de- shed on that occasion we charge on the New Poor-law." tune of the bresking out of the cholera, i n com equence o f _ignited, this country would not hav e desired, would n w As a former Cabinet Minister said—_s t h e n " ii° " l.- the accounts thee published ot the sufferings of emigrants ; have allowed, an experiment upon the Constitution so ex lew we never shoal.] have heard of Universal Stiff-age• emigration to that colony had received a check from tensire in its nature, and so perilous in its effects, as tie fl.re again, by way of their Lordships belie, able t° which it had not recovered at the present mom en t R e f o rm Bill—a measure which, instead Of being effected judge fairly and jiestly upon the su bject, he Tne idea of „ m fixit - • . a uniform rate of purchase f or l an d on right erinciples and upon calm deiberation hail been would entreat their Lerdships to suppose fur an was absurd and impracticable,-_( Hear, h ear . ) ewi tt , ca rr i e d by violence a n d clam our . B e had 'long b een instant th a t i ns t ea d o f being placed in the eleva ted chewy one knew th a t l an d var i ce greatly in quality and deeply impressed with the consideration that the dangers and independent situation in is hieh they were, they tr 0 , of course. in value,__( Hear, hear.) Such a system must .if the:country were such as menaced with destructien all labouring men, and every one of them, without any taultents necessarily produce contineal heartburnings and dis- its invitutions, and even the existence of property their own being subject to the operation of this most o di ous contents,—every man thinking that his neighb our h a d a it se lf ; for it had been found by exp er i ence Act ; and suppose th em listening to a person at:vocal . better b-wgain then hireself,—and these evil s n o thi ng th a t Parliament instead of redressi ng th e _ gr i evances their rights, would they not say that they were not r e P r - 1 law fu .ould obviate, except the admirable plan of public co n t. of. time country had evea refused to inquire into rented in Patliameat, and that Parliament had no ee. petition.—( Hear, hear.) That great er f ac ili t i es s h ould them, and in such a- state of things it must i nev i ta b ly authority what". r a hich not only disregarded but ; heefftred for pro cur i ng l an d i n t h e Colonies, he (Lord speedily be 'proved that the sofas pepuli mu s t b e t h e s t roye d t h e i r r i g h ts an d interests? Would they netts a Y . flowi e k) qui:e agree d ; an i h e thoug ht this could w tit. -supreme ler, and thus must ultimately be the ' de. they had been reviled and calumniated—that they had 'seen, eut di ffi c u l ty b e s cure d ; an d th a t it might wifely be left to n il of that Constitution, which, with. all its stigmatised as worthless, and as living by the.eupportfj th e tense- and t h e di, cret i on o f th e differeet GoVerners. The defects, ad many and great advaetages, an d . had been others instead of by their own industry—and that tbeld th ' n principt e o f e uct i„ n sa l ts h a d been adhered to rigidly ever the means of so long preserving the pro.perity of not had the opportunity and advantage, of svhich,n9s-l ot :ince 1831 ; i t h a d been adopted by the Govern 'Tot, hiving this country. Me. Thomas Attwood, the Member for Bir- should he do rived that of being heard in theire9o., in b e e n found very advantageous. Cou s ie er i o e e that no case ,ningham, had stated that he had become a man of extreme fence; that every security and every claim inhere:o:hr, cad been made fur the interference -of the House, and that Pillions , in eonaequence of the misgovernment of the last them had been violated and trampled under foot ; that ~ they t would be , impossible to adopt the resolution-, o f th e H on . ieente years, and that be should not have b een so i t t d b een forcibly, and by what was called an Act of ratite under heavier few hire:field, he trusted they would be withdrawn, ha I Mr. Pitt lived, for that Mr. Pitt had preSer d cl : do f those ' I t-which the . claimed v e meat, ispossesse Sir R. INGLIS said '1 • " • ,in his opinion the'two great ties the prosperity of this country, and when he died the - c a positive statute that had existed for more than o cot hrto have ehich must bled our colonies to this country were—iden- was no one to catch - his mantle.—( Hear, hear.) He turies? Many of them must feel that they old ti tty of lanetne e ingic•Vertoemon7ylLldusot b 6 and relition. He felt pain. at the Mho (Earl Stanhope) had voted for the second reading of the had protection, instead of being insult :4iions. which lial been mad ,; to the conduct of George IV., Ref o rm Bill because he considered that the time rely on their own resources. They had s i l b , I e powerfit n. three ,f r y et o p r e k .et to the grant of colonial possessions to the Dake sad ' arrived when some such measure had become the absolute, uncontrolled, and hues Pa°rnbitrary mandate slur Id ; and h e tho ug h t th a t th e Ministers of the Crown necessary and expedient, but he by on means pledged dietators—( Hear, hcar)—wiwc " re to have all the force e le udef have risen for the defence of a tea:traction, which himself to vote for the details of the measure. When the whose orders and r egulatiotts ie n ,m , ) Although the ir , po ll red any person to time was not peetectly legal. eostponement hf schedule A was proposed , a threat had and authority of law.—( u .. 1 s which P it contended merely fur t h e r i g h t o f the Crown —whether been held out that a numerous creation of Peers verty had resulted from c auses quit . - . they tad. h ad no ailad been properly u-ed or not he would not say, but he would have taken place ,to secure the passing of eontrol, and partly even t from legislative enactments their rune I' ' ' their Y they applied foe l fuliy expected that such a statement would not have the pc, and tus to h ave poverty P Ball in its original she h was unished as a c . , ere s ep orated from their wives and chit ' re teen allowed to pass unc:intradieted' in the presence of d for : d d ofthat House.fief they . a swamped ever the in epen mice ley tit wd to a distance from their fallli -11inister . of the Crown. His Right Honoureble Friend a threat the most unconstitutional ever used and which dreg, cad remove d i n • ' of that Sir IV' ' Illiam H nton had fetid long and most anxious alien the Constitution as as in its .." ' • t would . pwsone pun y. lien, or c onfine d pr i sons, , The. precepts l o c h all venerated , and Book _ _ , of that ~1 itt t ration to the whole subject of emigration, and inevit :14 have procured the impeachment of the Alinisters religiou " eearded as the ehich th ey r , ie Word of God, and wheel thes .e was of opinion that al colonize , ion ought who had dared to propose it. It might become a question calculated m ore strongly . to enforce the virtue . of charity o be, in the hands of the Government —( Hear.) Ile in future, should any other Ministry have the hardihood to was cf opinion, and as was said by the Duke of Welling- make a similar attempt, whether thew Lordships would than any otherthint Pt, had been ulerly disregarded. They v y e r fr e ,a now t o ld by their fellow-subject that Universal ton upen a late occasion, that this country could not afford allow such Peers to take their seats as had been created for wit , ge would be the cure for that, and such would cer to have a litte war, so he thought she should have a system so unconstitutional an object. ' It was in 1782 that - Mr. o f !mealy be thecae. Were they to object to such a cure ,f emigration commensurate with her greatness, and Pitt first proposed his resolutions to procure purity import.- zecause-peradventure the consequence might be that Peers it ought upo n no account to be left in the hands of elections, to which our ancestors attached its just a nd intim'. . mig h t loge their titles and landed preprietors their my ceitiptny of private adventurers. -Is all cases, ante. Since the Reform Bill passed, bribery also, they ought to send out a miniature of dation had increased tenfold. Was it therefore to ,be won- estates ? If an appeal was to be made on the subject ' by Powerful ag itator, any advocate of the handtlooM he Constituti on of England— Hear, hear)—but more dered at, that there should be a cry through the coun t ry for any 'SPe•=iallY they °tight never to send them with ou t ma l t i ng the Ballot? Th e e ff,. et o f t h e Reform Bill b ad , vi q u allY weavers, would h e not find adherents? If an honest and e ands industrious man, by rte unremitting exertion of his powers, tdec t t at e pr o vi s i on f or the observances of religion which been to throw the whole power of the State int o th e h "d heel' , too mile!). neglected in all former ente r p r i ses ; o f a e w es o f persons b e f ore un known to the Co nstitution of by all the skill and talent he possessed,. was obliged to rhe first re,o4ttion was a truism, and therefo r e no t ca n, this country , t h e joj . householders ; .and ,in ,, t ' i lat respect, the labour f or a greater length of time than that to whic h ciliated for the Journals of the House. The oth ers he principle of the Bel was utterly in d efens ib le, for it drew hum an exerti o n ought to be subjected, and to which but to the was not prepared to support, and if they were pressed to an ar bit rary li ne t o m ark the possession °`. the SU ff rage t man exertion never could be applied without injury the line, and exci ting the • 1 labourer • and 1 the r e for that was to muiaera ion a division he must vote against them, . swamping ill those above i . o e . jea ou. , i e e Ma. C. BULIa E It—Had he been allowed to ris e ea rli er s i es an d di scon t en ts of those below it, and thls mutt be b e a f e w halfpence a day, what could their the much talked . of _finality of the Reform Lordships rationally expect ?—t Ilear, bear, bear.) in the evening, would have gone at some length into the wholly fatal to qeettion, but at that late hour would content himself *lei Bill. Judging of a tree by i ts fruits, no high - opinion Let their Lordships look again to the state of the factories, dt . tlg to the Noble Lord ( Howick) th a t h e a d m it_ c ou ld h e entertained of t ot he l i ' li cy of the ref.,, to Bill, for and see whether there the advocates of Universal Su ff rage tcd he had been guilty of an inaccuracy s ome t wo th e RefOrmed House o f h' ip mrn°ns had speedily l os t, if ;t mi g ht not find adherents.—(llear.) In the, factories the or three months ago, in stating th,t the roads b twe n Qukbve and our other possessions wen impais. able ; but his whole inaccuracy consisted -in his having given the wrong ,time of the year. The Noble Lord said that be (Mr - C: - B.) was assuming the airs of a traveller, because he denied by a cheer the statement of the Noble Lord, that the New States in America maintained their roads and public buildings by any other than Inca? taxes. Nov, the !acts of the S ates gave no other means of maintaing them than local taxt.s, and he would tell the N ibie Lord that they were in as good a state ms any of those in any of our colonies. That was a question'of much. importance, and he was sorry the House would not pledge itself to the general principle laid down by his lion. Friend the Member for Shefli Id.