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rarn iaLUI CD, CMUII "tiny ay. .••4••••••.• -- wards different parts of the Coast, as occasion may require. Near to this depto, a great rtn. devious of troops may be also established, and. which may be periodically changed. Their Lord. ships Would recolleet that such a depot as he had in contemplation - , was long since, and - most judici. oiAly established in the center of Ireland, namely, at the town of Athlone. He would by no means tea:man - end that military depots should bc esta. blished on the Coasts, or nearer to them than the distance . of a forced march, or thirty miles. What would be the consequence if the Enemy took pos. session of a military depet They wouta find theraiselves at once provided with every thing ne. cessary, and more especially witk several impor tant articles, it was impossible they could &ring, with them. He then proceeded to recommend. the ereaimi at proper stations on the Coast, of Martell° 'Forts. These would be found of inconceivable ser. 'Vice in repelling the Enemy ; the expenee of cid/. ing would nor be great, they were of a circular form, with a roof nearly Hat, or . hut little sloped, and formed so as to be bomb-proof, In them a Piece of ordnance was transversely fixed, and so as to move 'round, and capable of being pointed in any diration ; the resiStance those erettions were capable of was exemplified in an affair which took place on the coast of Corsica last War. One of these was at. tacked by a ship of the Line (he believed it was ,the TerribleY commanded by Captain,Young ;. and Svhich was assisted by a 4c) gun ship : in the course of a spi‘ired conflift, the `l'rr;hle Was more than onae set on fire, as red-hot balls were discharged frcim the Tower mOre thin once. The result was, that both vessels were heat otr, and oar Troops were afterwards obliged regularly to open trenches against the Tower before it Surrendered. His ! *Lordship was proceeding to animadvert upon other topics conneded with the Defence of the Cotintry, when he was called to order hy Lord 110 11 A R.T i who begged leave to remind the Noble Earl and the House, what the sub. jeet regularly under consideration was, whether a Bill, to explain and amend two Aets passed in• the +id and 43(1 year of the King, relating to Vo. lunteer Corps, should be read a second time. It was in the judgment of their Lordshilis; hoW far a great part at what has! fallen from the Noble Earl was relevant to such a consideration. The Earl of SUFFOLK proceeded :—he should endeavonr to avoid any matter which may be e(,nsidered as disorderly, as far as possible : he continued to expatiate upon such topics as he conceived to be, in some degree cOnneeted . : with the subjet,l before the House ; and, adverting 'to the state of Ireland, he observed, that he had lately received a Letter from a particular friend 61.* his, an Officer of great professional merit, and who Was a DistriCt General in that part of the United Kingdom, He alluded to Sir Eyre Coote ; the letter was of a very consolatory description : the Officer in question had traversed Soo miles of that Country, and the description which he gave, he was sure would be vety satisfaCtory to several Noble Lords who heard him. Ile begged, he might ~be allowed to react the letter as part of his speech. Lord II AWKE SBURY rose to order. He felt it ineumbent on Into to interpose on such an occasion, ;Ind to advert to the obvious impropriety of suffer ing rhe Communicationsof a General Officer corn. in.indiog a Distritt, stating what his private opi. n i ons s C re on tliics of so much delicacy and im. portance, id be so promulgated. Whether the corn. Ill'iniCat ion was of a fa vourable or a tli3;nlv4ittagcou3 nature nvittcrcd tint, in his view of such a proceed iloc! the prat'fice It thought %vas highly improper, were it , A nreted to Fro , ;iil, it might be recur red to incases where the intelligence %vas of an op. polite de,,cription. Advcrtin,g to the irregularity blwliat fell from the Noble Earl in point of Order, he foflowed the exatifple of his Noble Friend, in grating to their Lordships what was the precise kliestion before them, • The Earl ofSUFFC.3LIC again rose, and after ob. serving that he stood corrected, proceeded to ob. ,g , ztve upon certain procecdirgs which illustrated ilv.t professional abilities of his Hon. Friend, the General Officer in question. He particularly ad. vetted to some circumstances connefted with the taking or the evacuation of Alexandria, when The LORD CHANCELLOR quitted the Wool, inck; and deemed it incumbent on him to interpose tespeaing the question of order. It was with pain that he' felt himself called upon so to interrupt the Noble Earl, a great deal of what fell from whom may, he thought, be better heard in other places.—+- iis Lordship then put the question upon the Bill, when. Lord GRENVILLE rose; he did not mean, he observed; to occupy their Lordships' time at present with. tiny detailed observations upon the general sobjeCt of which the Bill before them formed a part, though he perhaps might take an opportunity to do so, consistently with the Orders of the lio u se ; .f or th a t important consideration, he trusted a regular opportunity would arise, and at an early period af. ter the ensuing recess. He was aware that the sub. jest, consider ling it in all its vii Ws and bearings, was one not only of the highest importance, .but of the complex detail, and Parliament was loudly called upon to take it into its most serious considera tion. He regretted that any matter conncaed with a subjea, of such great importance should be brought in at a period of the Session wherein a very short time could he expeaed for its discussion. He was the genu. int friend, 4s his conduct and the dedication of much of his time and personal exertions had abundantly proved, of the Volunteer System. He thought that force, properly direeled; might be rendered of the greatest service, especially with a view to sec on d. tog the efforts and • supporting the 'troops of the Line. Respeding the measure more immediately Imfore the House, his Lordship made a variety of detailed observations. He seemed to consider it, standing as it did, with reference to the Arts of the 42.41 and 431 of the King, as to fill short of its professed object, and in a very small, or in no degree, to obviate the difficulties in question. His Lordship took 3 review of the provisions of the Bill, and dilly'. leading enadments of the A 61.4 of the 42d and 43 d of his present Majesty, and argued that on a consideration of 'the whole,not only a great degree of incongruity, and in some instances a continued con. ttadiCtion paip.tb4 obtained. fie adverted principally •• r he thought much too little, AS going to exempt ftom serviee in the Militia ; and also with respeCt to the peridd of zei, or a+ days,- for it did nor, Ire said, clearly appear whieh was intended, that entitled to exemption from the Army of Reserve : but, above all, the Noble Lord appeared to lay the greatest. stress on the provisions which had been made for the Commanding Officers of Corps to return and certify Lists or Muster.rolls of those serving in their respedive Corps, who were entitles so exemp. tions, or who were not, &c. s and this, itt the' way particularized by his Lordship, was &rated to be done and declared upon the honour of such Officers), in a contradidory and imprafticable mart. ner. Not a little of which latter consideration would arise from the necessity such Officers were. under of making themselves masters of all the provisions of the Ads he had alluded It would be a more regular and efficaciot , way were these two Ads to be repealed, and cer. taro parts of them moulded into a clause, which might be introduced into the present Bill, or the whole of such of the existing regulations as it would be wise to continue, condensed into one regular, clear, and explicit Ad. He threw out these sug gestions on the present occasion, as probably he would not have a fame opportunity in the dis. cussion of the Bill before ! the House. In illustrat ing these points, the . Noble Lord made frequent references to the Ads above mentioned, and evinced himself a pert - eft master of the "subject. In the concluding part of his address, his Lordship glanced at some considerations connetted with the general subject of the Volunteer System, and which, as being of great and fundamental importance, me. rited the most "serious and speedy attention of His Majesty's Government, and of the Legislature.— He alluded to any thing in the Volunteer System, .as it .was now organized, which might clash with the Military . riNciple as cortetei . plated end autho. risen by the Constiottion of Great Britain. He seemed to allude in a certain degree to the present mode of the eh:llion of Officers, and more especially to the appointment or election of Military Commit tees a mong the Volunteer Corps, for whatever pur. poses, and more particularly with a view to coneerne of deliberation ; all which appeared to him to clash with the Military principle as recognised by the Constitution of this Country. * It would be in the recollection of the (louse what had happened in a neighbouring Country, and which led to the over. throw of its Monarchy, and it would be for serious consideration how far such a consummation resulted from proceedings not very dissimilar in their prin. ciples from those he had alluded to. Lord HOBART spoke shortly in answer to what had fallen from the Noble Lord. With reaped to the general subject, he neettScareely observe, it was in the serious consideration of His Majesty's Go. vertunent, and every pradicable opportunity would be taken to ameliorate, the Volunteer System, and to render that part of the National Force as efficaci. ous as possible. With resped to the difficelties upon which so much stress had loien laid"by the Noble Lord, they certainly appeared to him in a very different light, and he contended that the Bill before the House, as far as it applied, went ,to ob. viate them—it went to settle the important point of the Ex-rnptions. With rasped to the Returns, no contradi4ory consideration appeared to isbn in time mode chalked out for those pro , : , :edings, and although the Officer whole duty was to make the Returns alluded to, h possibly not he a perfea master of the I•r , 7o , i,Mons of the Regulating Aas, yet, he may ea s ily obtain the necessary degree of information. He could by no means admit the Noble .Lord's position, that the present Was Such an advanced period of time Session, as to render a thorough investigation of the subject impratticable. With a reference to the en. suing recess, which would cause a temporary sepa. ration of their Lordships, such an observation to a certain extent, did apply, yet the Session would sub. sequently be sufficiently long fur every purpose ad. vetted to and he had also to observe, that the pre. sent Bill, as indeed every measure of the kind should, contained a provision, authorizing its alteration or repeal in.the course of the present Session. The Bart of ROMNE.Y professed himself, a warm friend to the Volunteer System, and avowed his entertaining the greatest expedation of their being of important service ; the office he had the honour to fill (Lord Lieut. of the County of Kent) affording him an opportnnity of knowing a good deal concerning the Volunteer Corps—But he smiled of opinion, that much Legislative interference was still necessary to the adequate amelioration of the system. He adverted principally to the very dif. ferent footings in which certain Corps were, in some respeds, placed, &c. He thought all the Corps should, as far as possible, be placed upon an equal footing, which would greatly tend to oh. viate all feelings of jealuuly or ifLwiil which might otherwise obtain. The measure at present, as a step towards that adequate amelioration he so much wished for, had his hearty assent ; it was a measure for which in justice the Volunteers had to look to the Legislature, and be would press to the attention of His Majesty's Government the propriety of giving every possible proper facility to the Vo. lunteer system. In the course of his speech, the Noble Earl made some allusion to the allowanees to be made, which he treated in such a way as prin. cipally called up Lord INBART in explanation, in the course of which he observed, that time expenses which may be incurred in the way alluded to, would not amount to less than the immense sum of four millions. The Earl of ROMNEY shortly explained, and in handsome terms bore testimony to the amenity of the Noble Secretary official condua, as experi. enced by himself, and of his readinlss to afford every facility to the transauion of the official busi. ness which had occurred between them. The Earl of DARNLEY deli vered his sentiments at some length : lie expressed his acquiescence in a dreat deal of what fell from the Noble Earl who preceded him, as well as in ',limy of the observa. bons of the Noble Lord who spoke second in the Delyite, and %vha htht expressed them in a More striking and forcible way (hail he could possibly pretend to. 'lie alluded to a query he had put to the Nt ble Secretary of State, relative to the intention of His iViajesty's Ministers with. resped to Volun. LONDON, DECEMBER 27, 1803. THIS morning arrived a Mail from America brought to Falmouth on Wednesday last by th Princess 4arelia Packet in thirty-three days. By this conveyance we. have New-York Papers to the t 2th of November. The Daily Ativtrtiur of the tth has the following Article, extra led from the ll'alloington Federalist •' We mentioned in our Paper of Monday last,, that we•had no doubt of the truth of the report, that the Spanish Minister had remonstrated with out Governnrait, against its taking possession of Louisiana. The Minister goes further, he avows the determination of defending the Country against every at tempt to dispossess them. The little Marquis takes many airs upon the occasion, and speaks with great contempt of our Army. The Spanish Intendant of Louisiana openly de clues his determination not to give up the Country." The Fever had considerably abated at New-York, and hopes were entertained that it would speedily wholly disappear. Mr. MERILY had landed at Norfolk, and the Phaeton Frigate had anchored on the loth on the Quarantine Ground at New-York, after a passage of forty-two days from Spithead. Ws are concerned to state, that by a Vessel re. turned to Fabuouth, we bye .the unpleasant intel. ligence of the dispetsion of the outward-bound Me. diterranean and Listson and Oporto Convoy on Sun. day last, in a violent gale of wind. THE detention of Ltrrots' Squadron by Admiral am NI sit becomes daily woke ere,iireil—ln&ed another through which it has come, we ,think thati little doubt ought to be entertained upon the faa. If such an event then has really taken place, how much is the Country indebted to AdmiraVitnintsa for the promptitude, energy, and spirit of his coo duet, for it is a faft, which if it were not VII known would hardly be believed, that it was two months after the commencement of the War before any Orders were dispatched from the Admiralty to the Naval Commandant in the Indian Seas. There is a boldness in taking upon himself so great a de• gree of responsibility, which those who know Ad miral Itsasreit best are well informed is a distin guishing feature in his manly thwarter, and the benefit which his Country derives from this exer , tion of his spirit and judgment must excite as much gratitude as that does admiration and applaug. As the Country has been saved by the vole:tory spirit of the People, without any aid from the fa' cutlet Government whose duty it is to fend ang direct that spirit to its objet, so our Officers ARO have been left pretty much to their own diners' from the criminal negligence in certain Public Dew parrments, but it is as glorious ,for the Country ss honourahie for themselves, that *their jadgale 2c leads them to actions at once svlcaia and 6..4:01- Yesterday morning Ms Mitres/rind the Dukes Of KENT' and CANIDRIDGe, attended by Colonel SPENCER, and General MANNINONLAM, took an air. ing on-horseback in Windsor n ts an Greatd alterations Park, and vtbak. ed the different improvers invhere. Yesterday morning 6o Hanoverian Troops marcllr ed through St. James's Park,, on their way to the Isle of Wight. Four caravans filled with the same Troops passed thr ou g h Pimlico on their waft° Lymingron. Yesterday a Court of Direaors was held at.the East India House, when the undermentioned Coal. manders took leave previous to departing for slfoto. c r ivi tte r a . . bay, , -and China : —Capt. CHARGIS DRUMMOND, Ü b tatton .; .and Capt. WALTER CANItaeLL, tr.„: Wednesday next. j ad'ourned at SiX. O'CiOrit OM . Secretary to the Bank doe land, attended the Stock Exchange, D o b li 74,,, u , s ti Thursday se'nnight, and announced that the — 7, (4 , 1 of Direams had come to a resolution o frecomm e , " lii -- ing to the Proprietors of Bank Stock, al th eir ,„ 4 1 " .* tended meeting on Tuesday last, to divide a Wu -- of 5 per Cent. on their capital stock. al On the departure of the Army under Gael STUART from Egypt, an extensive provisory sr-, tan4ement was made there by that Commander. WTlLh:lCAsious:t Major MEB3ETT, an intelligent and long-experienced Officer, and Captain HArss, of the Engineers (the loss of whose talents, by the subsequent melancholy event of his death, the Public have every reason CO Lament), were left in glee anteater of ResidePtas in Upper and Lower Egypt. Mr. Bas ooth a s. sPeetable British Merchant, was appointed Pro. Consul ; while a Medical Staff, under able diteo. tion, was left foe the service of the whole Establish.. ment. , It is un d ers tood that an enquiry will certainly take PIK'S in,, Parliament after the recess ito - te tTfilftU.nete transaltions of the sjd of July in Dals' tin. At will be brought on by the f riends, of Ge neral Fox for the put se of rindicating him frorn the aspersions which Mini sters have Yeti wea kly 0, well as wick/ thrown on the charsee of that distinguished 0 °v. There was gr oss mi t seenthit somewhere on that occasion, but it will be eel clearly proved we believe that the charge *ol3ot rest upon the then Commander in Chief. . Yesterday morning the Sr. Pancras and the gen „singuin Volunteers, mustered in were le upwards ul six hundred eft-alive men, inSpetted in Hyde Park by Genets! Fox. The Kensinstir Corps Waft on the ground precisely at eleven o'cloat and soon afterwards the St. Pancras arrived. 'llliet' line was then formed, extending from right to of from the carriage road nearly as fat as the wall „ Kensington Gardens. About a quartet past ele v en General Fox arrived, attended Gentlemen; hi the Camp, and several other Military Corps immediately presented arms' and the Goe. I returned the salute. The evolutions °I t h e e day then commenced, with the whole of which the General was much pleased, and expressed his saw faelion. No firing took place. lOa _ Yesterday morning the Duke of Cum o n Shat Shooters underwent a close inspeal; n :A n f t rd. Parade at the Archery Ground, behi nd m" - ct ° ;nff square, by Colonel JRNKIN.3.O„, t he InsP e • c y, Field O ffi cer of the Distria, who expres' ed /31 4 3 14 satistailion at the excellent state of their a rms., , Corps afterwards performed a variety. of inih tar evolutions with great rapidity and precision. It is not true as has been stated in some of II I ! Nell, that the Royal Westminster of have discontinued their nightly Guard. n I"` tir The Inhabitants of Bristol , at meetings I the P° different Parishes, have decidedly_oppose 11; Position lot raising a Su m of Money within E . City for its defence. They acknowledge that Bits* tot is in a defenceless state ; but` hey just'? urges that it is the business of Governmt to take Pr°l measures for its security. le ad its Three hundred of the Inhabitants of Pill 2 , immediate vicinity, and neatly an equal n umber O: persons living in Bristol, have already volunteettl their Services as Sea Fencibles, under the coaultaml of Capt. SOlitlllY, assisted by Li e utenant ftIC their evolu tion s ' and have mule great progr ess ins A Subscription has been see on foot fOr she pop° e of providing them with proper cloathing. Died at St. Helena, on the 16th of Auguer'sr: taro THOMAS BAZETT, one of the oldest Servants.); the lion. East-India Company's Service. He P.!. :err an aftliacd widow and children to deplore n" of s death,. and many friends to lament the loss ~e . man so much respelled and beloved throughout 0 Isla-a. these, as in the f instance of the Bill before the Hodsi f lottl fallen short of what he was convinced was necessary Id be done, yet he was happy to hear it authoritatively stated, that the_. general tubjett, and which was one of the last' impnr tame, was seriously in the consideration of His Majesty's Government. Lord HAWK ESBU RY observed, - that the N i obte - Earl had certainly put a query to him, as he al luded to, but it would be in his _recolleaion that it referred to a general and comprehensive system of regulation, to which he had truly replied, chat he knew of no intention ore the part of Ministers to bring forward any measures on that broad prin. ciplepreviatte to the Recess. The present was ob viously a Bill .of an explanatory nature, and went to certain points, on which speedy Legislative in. terference was necessary, and in his mind it went fully to obviate these difficulties it professed to remove. Much had been said, and truly, of the vast portance of the subject, And necessity of farther regulations, but then the. House would be aware that it was one of an extensive and complicated, as well as of an important nature. To a certain degree the principle was new—already had the Vo. lunteers been rendered more efficacious• than those which had existed in the late war: the system in the present case must be gradually ameliorated, and in the course of time rendered still more effica. cious, .and less exceptionable. The original prin. ciple on which the force was creat e d an d the services of its Members accepted of, shottld not at the same time be last sight of. Th. Vo lunteer System was also to be regarded in a cer. tamp view, which, under .the consideration of the contest in which we wereengaged being a protralted one, was one of considerable importance, namely, Economy. At the first glance it would appear that the services of the Volunteers were to be acquired incalculably cheaper than those of any other de. scription of the National Force. The consideration of the Volunteer System, was not only to a certain degree, a novel one,- but it proceeded on distinct prin ciples ; on its own peculiar nature and merits then was that System to be considered. On these prin. ciples it was regarded by His Majesty's Govern. ment, who, he repeated, certainly contemplated the subject with the most serious attention. The. Earl of ROIVNEY requested the indulgence of the House, while he delivered a few words in additional explanation—these related to the latter part of what had fallen from his Noble Relation (Lord GR E NV I LLE),. with whose sentiments on those heads, he in strong language expressed his decided concurrence, Lord GRENI'JLLE spoke shortly in expl3na. tint). The DUKE of bLARENCE, with a 'few ohser. vations, concluded the debate. He expressed his concurrence in a great deal of what was said in the course of evening, and declared his u. tisfanion at learning that it was the intention of His Majesty's' Ministers and the Legislature to take the general subject} at an early oppor. tunity into their most serious , consideration. As things stood at present, and when he considered the season of the year, he did not think the ne. cessity for an immedi a t e Legislative measure so urgent : upon the whole, and viewing the subjea under all its circumstances as he did at present, he thought the less was said upon it the better, and in pursuance of his own maxim, he should decline troubling their Lordships any farther. The question was then put, the Bill read a second time, and ordered to he committed to-morrow ; after which their Lordships immediately adjourned. *** Ole eball, in our Paper of Itiendo, liy before cur Reads an Accurate List if all the Fact ism Pas S ea: at Valen ciennes, with their designation. PRICE OF STOCKS, THIS PAY A? TWILYK O'CLOCK. Consols - SS 4IR. - - - 14. THE SUN. SOLIM QUIS DICIRS TA,LSUSI AUblar t