The Sun. — London, England, 1839-04-20 00:00:00

14:VENING EDITION. ! gratuitously provoked by the Commons —( Cheers.) The C , ie s''' , ealled zee, ' 0 1 , -; ee alminisoa- I " 01 1 of the hoe has?' Lee., :ee, e,e; in ioe ,i(i el late ' year n . H e doubted that. lie queitioried if the law could e b e e r s e._ aid ( t c o ler b ,e eim s. p ) roved, when lif e an d property were inse - Why, in eleven counties (excluding Tipperary), in one year there were 277 committals for murder alone, and only three convictions. The House was alto called upon to assert the general improvement of Ireland. He ( Lord Stanley) admitted that there had been a progressive, but very slow, improvement in Ireland for many years past. In 18 4 6, a Committee of the Lords Was appointed, who reported that, in consequence of va rious beneficial measures, such as the police, the constabulary, the assistant barristers, &c., the condition of Ireland had very much improved. In 1 830 the Right Hon. Chancellor of the Exchequer had drawn u p ...._ a repert upon the state of Ire'and, stating that insurrectionary offences had greatly diminished up to that itaimteely. ,I zthe numb er o f suc h offences had great l y i ncrease d Hear, hear, hear.) The House was called uPon to approve of " tho principles." What prin ciples ? Whose principles ?—( Cries of ' Hear, hear.") The Noble Lord (J. Russell) had shown a great deal of am iable modesty and wonderful ingenuity. The Noble Lord did not wish to contrast his Government with those .if Lord Wellesley and Lord Anglesea. It might be in cLdoorirvanient to co ntrast L or d M el b ourne ' s Government w i t h Grey's. It might be disagreeable to contrast Lord HMelbourne as Prime Minister with Lord Melbourne as ome Se cretary, and it might be still more disagreeable to trast Lord Melbourne as Prime Minister with Mr. Lamb as S ecretary for Ireland.—( Hear, hear, hear.) The Hon. , Member for Limerick was the first who com pared the present Administration with that of Lord Grey, and h e ( Lord S.) was assured that he had narrowly eo. 'ailed being impeached; and one of the complaints made leinst him was, that having come into office in 1830, he 'led not, on the 13th of April, 1831, proclaimed the Insur rection Act in the county of Ciare. The Hon. Member also mated what principles had been applied, With regard to the administration of the law, he said that Lord Nornianby bad introduced a new principle, for he said he had administer d the law by affection, excluding the baser influence of fear. This was a n ew pr i nc i ple in any Leg i slature.—( Hear, he ar.) As we did not live in Utopia, he thought the Criminal l aw did act by fear.—( Dear, hear.) The Member talked of affirming the principle of not ex cluding Catholics fiom office. Did the Hoe. Member take credit to Lord Nor be's administration for being the first which had not m st d u n diOnsiv excluded all Catholics .r- - °wee ? He (Lord Stanley) admitted that since the aassing of the Relief Bill in 1829, political disqualifi eation, on the ground of religious opinion, was inde 'ensible on the part of any Government ; and as a proof 4 this he might refer to the promotion of Mr. Perrin, Mr. O'Ln ghien, and Mr. \You're, and the patent of prece dency granted to the Hon. Member for Dublin. Great • s h r edit had b een taken for the appointment of Judges ; but 0 mo e jud ges appointed were t h e very men w h om h e h a d pro 'xtiedlt had b een h e ld out that the pr i nc i p l e o f not p- I ,,ding Cath o li cs was a new princ i ple, an d that L ord .ees ie3 7 , Lord Anglesea, and Lord Grey were in avow. of exclusion. What—Lord Wellesley and ti a , ° :„ d G 'ey. who had been endeavouriug to do o a t - J, with political exclusion on the ground b religious principle ! Why, Lord ' Wellesley might have been twice Prime Minister if it had not ben for that, and Yet th ese men were to be cast aside in the desire to praise Le new principl e !—(Cries of Hear, and laughter.) "ere those persons who had grown old and grey in the efcause, wh o had exhausted their energies and youth in e nding the p r i nc i ples of civil and religious liberty— ere these m en to be stigmatised by a resolution of the Hoofs of Commons as haying been adverse to the claims And r ights of th e Catholics? Cheers.) Now they were ''fl called l on to approve o f t h e pr i nc i p l es o f the G overnment reand. tie (Lord St an l e y) a l wa y s lik e d a goo d plain straightforward st a t em e n t o f prin c ipl es; an d when t h a. O '3' were called upon to assent or dissent la a declaration of pri nc ipl es h e w i s h e d to k now what ?sere the principles specified by the supporters . of the overnment. ' In the petition from Dublin, and in a num ' of duplicatee, which re-echoed its prayer from all marts ef the country the petitioners stated that . le - First the Y demand a perfect equalization of the a Ftive franchise throughout England and Ireland, oet aneaee:edlargenaent of it in both. Secondly, an r(sheietrudil number of representatives for Ireland— the number was faxed at 170. burdened e cad Scotland qealization of religious freedom with England . ' and as the people of England were not . with the Church of a minority, nor the :, i sepp :, eonle of Scotland burdened with the Church of minority,ortnlgreland should be disembarrassed of the burden the Church of a minority, and that the r Su Ting of the Protestant Church should be appro : nited to public purposes, especially those of educe 'J ." ' New those princip , les, except that alone of : ,erporate Reform, upon which both sides had !iareed last Session —he believed the Noble Lord oppo :te, _and L or d Melbourne, were pledged to oppose. Yet `he Hon. Gentlemen upport th e pr i nci opposite call e d u p on t h e H ouse t o t -ples of the G overnment as essent i a l to ~ e a binet he 'le we lf are of Irela n d , while the Members of the had named, opposed them as fatal to the ,est interests of Ireland. Indeed, the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin stated in a speech at New Ross that it was only owing to his entreaties at the Home-office that the proposed Corporate Reform Bill, or rather Corporation _\ buses Bill, was postponed. How then could the Hon. Gentlemen opposit e b e unanimous in opinion? The Noble Lord said that they were borne out by the legislative measures of the House of Lords —but if he was free and unfettered, would not he, and his illustrious colleague, C onsider it their duty to oppose those measures which the !uPporters of the Right Hon. Gentleman considered Voe.parable from the welfare of others ?—( Hear.) The „1 or Lord said that the proceedings of the House dis t' ds rendered a vote of the House of Commons in wm,Pienaable to his Government, but now he would ask— f -.v3 the G'overnment dare to ask for a vote of confidence ( I t tl the Commons on tbeir foreign policy ? ' of `lnd cheers.) Would they venture to ask Would the confidence on their domestic policy ?. NY venture to ask it on their Legislative policy o b l e arded Ireland ?—(Cheers.) No ; but, said the aiiLord, let us have a general vote, on which we can Lordagree, statiroe that of late the Governmen . beneficially rninistered. And really, upon that question, the Noble ,te,lsl flatteredhimself that he was going to have a majority, e :".flu he (Lord S.) had not the least doubt that he would , 11)3eut, what did the Noble Lord think the effect of that would He would not go over the old trodden ground of the . I.lipepointrnent of the constabulary force, but he was in Was t he House at the time when that enormous power given b_ the Government--( Hear)—and the Noble Lord said that it should be managed on the same P se r t i l n e c re i P l ?, as the police force in the metropolis, it was, thou s the the authorit was in the Home Secretary, pointment BaTonettPPlted by the Commissioners. The Right lion. sibility of Col, C onstabulary would efl‘thlember for Tamworth hoped that the e, ap doubt that be under the respon no partialitay, ito g r e pled 'aw Kennedy, when there could be no would be afforded that . there would be political bias observed in the appoint- Tents. The Noble Lord opposite thanked the Right Hon. cd not k now .121aronet for th e advice he had given, but he (Lord Stanley) s l: how the f had been. He had heard ran ge statements in respect to that, and he believed that there could be no more fitting object for inquiry than the examination of Colonel Shaw Kennedy in reference to th ose conditions solemnly entered into in the face of Par tament, to know w h et h er they had been studiously and iiiej o is. i y aui adhered to. As to the release of the pri soners, he could not see that any defence had been offered on that point. But he would say that when 1 ttneaction. B ar t. t h e Member for Drogheda had reco cooded the most unexceptionable cases for mercy he never Noble procure from Lord Normanby a dismissa. The ties _ Lord had taken an extraordinary mode of l calcula u. He had said that fourteen years transportation was equal to 140 Probabl 11 ' 1 out 140 then ths' itnprisonment, and he had measured among a certain number of individuals. exhaust: been . en the applications to which he had alluded had made to the Noble M arqu i s , t h ose 140 mont h s h id been d, and the Noble Marquis thought that he had given `lti,?4l.3ty just as much mercy as he could spare. The case of ;' 1i Ryan was a d e li cate an d romant i c i nter f erence, an d e would not enter into that, but he hoped the House would hear with him for a single moment while he related a story w i bieh he had heard somewhere, and which he thought a h p is Plicable to the doctrine which had been adduced 4110:08e. foaming,A country surgeon, his Ptectice, received a messenger in great haste, upon returning from in t his in great and his servant excite ant,'sl from a neighbouring gentleman, who said that pared at his home, I t . _ s dreadful accident had la 7(1 not a moment was to be lost r i r n 'e the attendance of the mounted his horse end galloped n_rgeon, The sargeo f °, l t at full speed ; he surge onn ound the house in great confusion 14e servants all in distress—and the father and mother s of th e . lookedint in the greatest agony. lie rand ent u d p e3 s i 1 i t at the wound—looked very grave . t i a ed — to Three or four .1° a pair of scissors brought to him. pair of scissors were brought up. He too l 's , j a st p er ai e r e o t f e t f he h m is In to his hand, took a piece of sticking pncionfiathide P ock et, Separated the plaster, and put a st P rip d "ofit upon I, c)u nd, which the young gentleman had received, ,,f ~ Oh, ob, the Nli tme whole was cured.—( Cries of Government nisterial side, and " Hear, hear," from the T s or r y om benches.) And abet was the language of hsr Maesty such an the ether day? Why , that the honour , of the Government w as at stake it was impossible they could survive _ . a a t tack as hair been made upon them consi nays were numbered, but when they took , nto ma. by the Lords—their d a y s this little bit of sticking plaster, their klies would all be cured.—( Hear, This s ticking -plaster prentice would not answer.— fo r : e mber i Ch eers ) He did not knew whether the Hon. hear, hear.) nortenz or Finsbury was in his place, but supposing a post G7overn examination should take place upon her Majesty's to 111 " t, it would tall upon the Coroner of Middlesex sum t inon an inquest, and the 13 the ju rY.—( Cheers.) Of course, lie would ads ocate , he should like to hear his charge I,l2terposition of a Medical Coroner. —( C. ies of " Questi )ta ' e ) „I'll's wes strictly the question.—( Cheers.) The %;oroner would probably tell them that a short time ago tl deceased received a slight cut, which, on a healthy con sitution, would cause no harm ; but being a weakly con artitution, and having been treated unskilfully for tempo arY advantage, the wound had festered, mortification en -1 e, "ci, and th e patient died.—( Cheers.) He trusted that the course of his address the Coroner would not state i that his colleague had had any hand in it.--(Loud i_ ll ' ers .) Attrib ute t h e fall of the Government to what ,'e might, he could not say that the vote of the House of Commons had either caused manslaughter or murder.— (Laughter, and cries of " It's a bad j , ke," from Sir J. Hohhouse.) Perhaps his Right Hon. Friend would think that it was no joke at all.—( Laughter.) If the present motion was carried, what possible advantage could it lie t° the character of the Government.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Member for Limerick had told the House the state t° w ect hi ch the Government had reduced theecountry—what eff did they suppose t h e carry i ng t h e present measure "ukt have on th e H ouse of Lords. It h a d b een stated that it would have th e e ff e ct o f cripplin e th e proceedings It that House. They might rely upon it that the inquiry In l the Hous e o f L or d s wou ld go on—they might y re ~ upon it, that strong i the consciousness .whelm ,11 exer ey bad life and tat had not ask d been e bfeen I Lieu- a have Ind ask 35 bad I there inquire .ds "of le bad r means titans trusted a s hort ? that they v e-e properly discharging their duty, they would fearlessly Igo on and inquire whether or not they were entitled to that condemnation which they in tended to vote to-night. What object would such a pro cee iirg have on the character of the House? None ; for it would be seen that they were treating with indifference a co-ordinate branch of the Legislature. They were entitled to pause.—( Great cheering from the Ministerial benches.) He knew that he was asking in vain ; he knew that their minds were made up ; he knew that they were decided to take the course pointed out to them by unwilling friends, and hard taskmasters, but it would be a source of satisfac tioa to those Members on his side of the House' that they had refused to accede to the proposition, and had voted in opposition to a measure which could only be looked on as an unjustifiable intrusion, and as an impotent resentment. The Noble Lord sat down amidst great cheering Mr. O'CONNELL should not have said one word if he had not felt that he had an important duty to perform. It was only a sew eof this obligation that should induce him to address the House after the feeling and eloquent address of his Hon. Friend the Member for Tipperary. The Hon. Member for Kilmarnock had replied to him, and no doubt he felt that he was a worthy antagonist, who had given a complete answer to his Hun. Friend.—(Cheers and laughter.) Next rose a man of a different character. He had read somewhere, to quote a favourite phrase of the Noble Lord, who had made use of it more than once in the course of that debate, that the sight most pleasing to the gods was a great man struggling with adversity, and he supposed that the Noble Lord was of ioion that the next sight was an able man struggling with a bad cause. The Noble Lord's speech, besides many jokes, some good, some bad, had consisted of a series of sophistries in legislation. He should not have thought it fitting to spend one moment on the speech of the Noble Lord, had it not been for some of the documents which the Noble Lord had produced, among others, a letter from a gentleman's agent to the gentleman himself. He did not for one moment insinuate that the Noble Lord had written that letter, and sent it over to be copied.—( Cries of " Oh.") But if such documents were admitted as authorities, such things might be done.—( Hear, and cheers.) But he protested most against the statements of an anonymous letter pur porting to have been written by a Roman Catholic who was more liberal titan the Noble Lord; and it appeared that his liberality consisted in stating that he was afraid his name should be known lest he should be murdered. Did the Noble Lord wish the House to imagine that Roman Catholics were murdered in Ireland because they were more liberal than he was? Was not this an imputation on the Protestants? This was the first time that such documents had been produced to the House. He would put it to the House if the document produced by the Noble Lord was entitled to authority, but great talents were com patible with great indiscretion.—(lronical cbeers from the Opposition.) He thanked them for either part of the corn-, pliment.—( Ministerial cheers.) The Noble Lord had assumed his permament station, and it appeared that he now belonged to the great party by which he was sur rounded, and a most compact party it was, for not one of that party had arisen in the course of the present debate who had not expressed a different opinion. Would the Right Hon. Baronet adopt the principles of the lion. Member for Sligo or of the Honourable Member for Wakefield, or perchance he might adopt the principles of the Hon. Member for Kent ?—( Cheerr. ) Was it on his support and vote that the Noble Lord relied—on his, who had last night in that House uttered the most atrocious calumnies.—(Cheers, and cries of " Oider.") The SPEAKER said he did not understand the lion. and Learned Member to impute calumny personally to the Hon. Member for Kent. Mr. O'CONNELL—The Honourable Member had stated that the Catholic Clergy were ignorant and grossly immoral—a charge which, he said, was false and calumnious, and he flung back with contempt and scorn his atrocious calumny..—( Cheers.) Nothing could ex cuse such language, not even the ignorance of such extreme brutality as is found in the county of Kent.—( Cheers, and cries of " Order, order," " Chair, chair.") Sir R. BATE SON rose to order. Such language was not Parliamentary. The SPEAKER did not know that it was disorderly to impute ignorance to an Hon. Member.—(Cries of " Brutality.") Mr. O'CONNELL had said that ignorance to the ex treme of brutality, such as had been exhibited in his (Mr. P.'s.) own county was no excuse for the charges brought by him against the Catholic Clergy, and which could not be palliated by the lowest state of degradation, such as also existed in the county of Kent. He had calumniated a body of clergy who laboured most earnestly for, and de voted themselves to the benefit of their flocks, and who were regarded by them with the greatest affection. Such observations were fit only for the atmosphere of Exeter Cheers.) He could not attribute them to virtue, " For virtue's self may too much zeal be had, The worst of madmen is a saint run mad." —(Great laughter and cheering.) He hoped the Hon. Member would reserve his charges for a place where they could not be replied to. Complaints had been thrown out by the Noble Lord of the length of time the debate bad taken, and he believed they were now in the sixth night— An HoN. MEMBER—The fifth. Mr. O'CONNELL—The sixth day had dawned on them, but the question had not taken more time than ils importance required. It involved propositions of the greatest magnitude, and might produce consequences of the most disastrous nature. It included two dis- tinct and separate considerations—first, the jurisdiction and authority of the House of Lords ; and second, a no less subject than the good Government of what was called one-third of the empire. If there was really any doubt on the point, he would observe upon the paltry attempt by which it was denied that the vote of the House of Lords was not a vote of censure. At one moment it was asserted, and denied at the next; and the Hon. Baronet opposite had not the manliness to assert that the vote, in its terms, was a vote of censure. Could it be de nied that it was essential to declare that the system of government had rendered life and property in secure? But he was not disposed to detain the House on the first point—the jurisdiction and authority of the House of Lords. The mode of the decision would imply the power of controuling the Executive, and appointing the Adminis tration. It was an attempt to take from that House the influence over the choice of Ministers that ought to belong to it alone. He did not mean that the theory of the Constitution did not confer that influence equally upon the House of Lords, but that theory became inapplicable when the House became the representative of a particular class, and when it became irresponsible. Above all, he objected to that power, because, if the Ministry misconducted itself, the House of Lords was the only tribunal before which it could be impeached ; and what could be so unfair as to prejudge that which might come before them as Judges?— (Hear, bear.) Nothing could be more unconstitutional or more inconsistent with the principles of freedom. It was an attempt to nullify the Reform Bill, and if they succeeded, then the House of Commons would be nothing more than a second Chamber of the House of Lords. The Reform Bill was intended to take away from the House of Lords that unconstitutional controul which made their fiat fate, and which nominated the Administration by their nominees in the House of Commons. If the House of Lords succeeded in their present attempt the people would have to begin the work of Reform again. They must pare the nails and wrest the claws from the tiger of aristocracy—thy must come to the charge again, and not leave their work unfinished. Their vote that night would not determine the question—it would remain in obscurity. The House would recollect the statement of the Hon. Baronet the Member for Wiltshire, when he was accused of having perpetrated a lively sally, and spoke of the su perior wisdom of the House of Loirds.—( A laugh. ) He had done him (Mr. O'Connell) the honour of making a personal attack upon him ; but that was a common practice. He bad stated that he was not at the Corn Exchange, and he (Mr. O'Connell) know that he was not—he would not be either ornamental or useful.—( Great laughter.) But when he did make that scurrulous attack—( Cries of " Oh, oh,)—it was so dis tinctly—if he had been there he would have learned that the sycophantic adulation of any man, however high his title, would be left to the scorn he so well merited. The Hon. Member for Belfast, in the palmy days of his republicanism, had learnt them the expression ofhe the infinitelyt constitutionenth g greater transmitter eaotef rt hirne o pti f a . ortua fo sne o co l ef s , b aLn f o a dr c dt e ls: t w o a i s l lausttZaitTce.a"tßuu.atsthere they were to govern Ireland in future ? Upon that question he would meet the Noble Lord at once. He did not ask for a vote of approbation on the Legislative Govern mcnt of Ireland—(Tory cheers)—and f or t h at they had been taunted by the Right Honourable Baronet opposite. Nothing could be more unfair than to put the question in that way to the House, inasmuch as the opposite party would not allow them to carry out their policy in Ire land. It might be good party tactics ; but, at all events, it was neither common sense or common honesty.—(Cheers.) They might want to change the principles of the Govern ment of Ireland. Oh ! change them, and then see what a situation they would be in. Was British dominion so much cherished ? Was there so little of jealousy among Irish people of a Tory rule, that the change might be lightly made. They domineered over the country for 700 years, (Laughter.) He should not be surprised if Hon. Gen tlemen did not know the history of Ireland, but s o s t pi ou nsd4u. his r in theg finger m t u h , e d e ro w :, h t o thi l the slaughters, ysui Irsoaeaafultnatgdenhtmsdht Ireland. She rft t s them, h l hah o cane n mtd g ;htihsaa h p edi o e b r .4bbu i re : i r showing y n:. he would defy any of the m t o put t h e i r finger upon any bright e c i g could b a t g g e r' i m n a gs ic . t Co o d u o ldthey common h o j w u s t h i n e t a o n swindled out of her native Parliament, and they had multiplied their abomination to such a degree— they had tow fixed the tribute to such a degree-- at the time of the Union Ireland owed 2 800,0001. England at the same thee owed 45,000,0001.—( Hear, hear.) They had taken upon themselves to pay the 2,800,0001 , but they' had thrown upon the back of Ire land the 45,000,000/ —( Haar, and " No, no.") How had they tre ited Ireland 1 eely ? By the Reform Bill they had given Eagland an extension of franchise, while they had greatly restricted the franchise in Ireland. To such a de gree had this been carried, that the county of Anglesea alone, with its 4,000 inhabitants, was possessed of as many voters as the county of Clare, which had a population of no less than 702,000. Then had they not for three years refused all corporate reform. (Loud cries of .4 No, no.") Who s rid " No, no."—( Great laughter. ) for three years, they had been attempting to make the franchise so high, as that the many should have beeu ex cluded, and that the whole of the privilege should be centered in the bands of the few. Was it nothing that the people of Ireland were obliged to support the Church of the minority, it was not so in either England or Scotland, and the people of Ireland felt it as a great grievance. It was quite true that they had got no legislative relief m upon any one of those things, he had only mentioned the in order thot Hon. Gentlemen should consider before they gave their vote against a motion that would tend to excite disorders in that country. He asked the House whether at any period of history the peop le of Irela n d h a d d ec l ared themselves satisfied with the Execu tive Gov ernment, t h at per i o d h a d now co me ; he stood there in the name of his constituents and the people of Ireland, to tell the House that thee were grateful to the Executive Government of Lord Nermieb —( Cheers. ) justice and They had got t h e r2ign of •Y. impartiality at last THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY, APRIL 20, 1839 among them, and th e h un d re d s o f t h ousan d s o f t h e I people of Ireland were unanimous upon that point. Never before had there been so much unanimity exhibited as upon this occasion, nor had so many petitions ever been got up in so short a period. Thee implored the House to con tinue the present system, wl:lich had given content and sa tisfaction to the people. For the first time the people of Ire land stood in that situation. The Monarch had never lived in England who had seen such a declaration from the people of Ireland, could the Government have acted ill while the people so unanimously stated that they were con ent, d with it. They might prove by vulgar sum efarithmetic flat tl e people ougilt net to be contented, but the people would not be discontented for him. It was said that the people of. Ireland would never be contented without the entire demolition of the Church establishment. what edministration was this which the people were so unani mous in the support of? Why, an administration whose patronage of the Church had been so widely distributed, that it had commanded the praise even of the Right Honourable Baronet, the Member for Tamworth: The Ministry gave the working curates the benefit of livings —appointed a Tonson, and, above all, a Sands, to the Episcopal Bench.—( Hear, hear.) He would tell them fratildy, that no appointment that was ever made in Ire land, gave more satisfaction to the Catholic people of Ireland than the appointment of his esteemed friend, Mr. Sands, to a Bishopric.—( Cries of " Hear, beer.") He would be a more dangerous man to convert Papis!s than the Kent Tory Reformers. The peo ple of Ireland desired to keep in the Government those Ministers that made the best selection of Protestant Bishops and Botestant Rectors, and which gave universal satisfaction to the people. He thought every Englishman who reflected on these things ought to hesitate,:before he put his No to the approval of the Executive Government. The old song said— " Ye gentlemen of England, who live at home at ease, Little do ye think upon the dangers of the seas." —( Laughter.) Now, he would call upon the gentleman of England to consider whether that case might not he broken by a different course of policy being pursued towards Ireland. They might want the assistance of the Irish people, and did they not know that they were now alive to their rights—that they almost universally read— that the Newspapers that formerly hardly went out of the great towns, were now found in every village and hamlet. that tire mighty mind of Ireland was awakened, and that the mighty millions were alive to their interests, and would not be governed under the old system?—(Cheers.) What was the old system ? They wanted inquiry forsooth. Let them inquire into the Orange system. He would just remind them of it lest they should forget it. Why, in Orange oounties in Ireland there was a word invented that was unknown in the English language—he meant "wrecking a town," which was a familiar phrase in Ireland because it was familiar in practice. Hecould not avoid giving a few instances, that he might show what that Orange system was. He would come presently to the hypocritical pretence of impartiality. He shall treat that cant if not with the cut tempt it meri.ed et least wi h a refutation which v. as easily made. He had in his pocket a letter, which was nut there by accident.—( Laughter.) He was not like the Honourable and Learned Member for Bandon ( Ser geant Jackson), who did not intend to say a word during the debate, and yet came down with five or six volumes of returns, and with all the oranges ready.—(Great laugh ter.) He had intended to produce this letter—it was the letter of a gentleman now more than twenty years abroad, whose name stood high as an independent Member of the Parliament of 1782, and was related to some of the first families in that country—Mr. Todd Jones. It was inclosed in a letter addressed to the Editor of the Dublin Evening Post, bearing the post mark of Newry, of the 2d March, 1824 ; when the Right lion. Baronet was Secretary for Ireland. The writer stated an outrage was committed by armed men en the unarmed pea santry in the town of Kilkeen ; that upon Wednesday, the 9th of February there was a quarterly fair at Kilkeen ; held by a peaceful and industrious peasantry, an armed body of yeomanry and Orangemen entered the town, assaulted the Catholics, and the next day the house of the parish priest, an exemplary man, was fired into and dismantled, and twenty-eight houses were wracked. That letter was signed " \Vm. Todd Jones." He (Mr. O'Con nell) only mentioned this, to show what occurred during the Secretaryship of the Right Honourable Gentleman. An investigation had taken place; but, up to this hour, the perpetrators of the outrage had not been discovered.— ( Hear.) An outrage had been committed in the presence of the gallant Colonel, the Member for Armagh ( Col. Verner) who, notwithstanding that he was a Magistrate—and an officer—and an Orange dignitary—had been unable, with all his efforts, to prevent a band of Orangemen from " wrecking a tewn."—( Loud cries cf " Hear, hear.") This might show the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) that he could not controul his satellites—( Cheers)—and was it to such a party that Ireland was to be delivered over 2—( Continued cheering.) Upon the 28th of June, 1837, some children were amusing themselves with a bonfire, in conformity with an ancient Catholic custom, some savages stole unperceived near them, and fired upon them, killing two, and wounding several.---( Hear, hear. ) The murderers had never been discovered. They could not have been Catholics—they could not have been good Proteseints-Lthey must have been Orange men.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") There was a horrible case, and were the Irish people to he deprived of the protec tion of the present Government, and was the Orange dominion and oppression to he restored by the vote of the House of Lords ?—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) The effect of that vote was that the principles of this Government were not to be persevered in—that was a proclamation to the Orangemen, which they would well understand.—( Ilear, hear.) Why, at Coleraine they had already assembled, encouraged by the prospect of tile fall of the present Ministry. He should like to know from the Hon. Member for Sligo who were their officers? Colonel PERCE VAL—I know as little of them as the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. Mr. O'CONNELL—I am glad of it; but then that shows that the Gallant Colonel has been superseded, and that a new set of officers has been established.—( Hear.) On the grand jury in Dublin it had been usual to allow some few Catholics and liberal Protestants to be placed, but now out of 40,000 presentments not one single Catho lic or liberal Protestant was left upon it. If lion. Mem bers wished the name of the individual to whom he al luded he would mention it.—( Cries of " Name," from the Tories.) The name of the person was Cornelius O'Logh len.—(Cheers.) Let those shrink from giving names who had reason to do so. The Hon. Member for Coleraine was accustomed to make hullabaloo speeches.—( Laughter.) The other night be made a moderate one. Ile was then gentle as a sucking-dove—( Laughter)--and he rose to animation and poetic vigour only when he began praising the Orangemen.—( Cheers.) It was at Coleraine the meeting took place. The Member for Coleraine in this House lauded the Orangemen to the skies, but that was not all. At the late meeting to address the Queen, which was called for a particular and limited purpose, what happened? Dr. Moyle and others arranged the night before, to disturb the meeting, and they got together 120 or 130 persons, with bands about their hats, and a buckle in front, and they sent a drunken Alderman, named Archer, to break up the meeting. The waving of an Orange handkerchief was the signal, and an attempt was made to rush on the stage in order to throw the pro ceedings into confusion. Would they have done so a month ago, before the Lords' resolutions were passed ? Oii, no !. As vultures scent the distant corpse they scented the coming change, and went there to disturb those who never invited them.—( Loud cheering.) The Ho nourable Member for Coleraine praised the Alderman as a worthy personage who had been the Lord Mayor of Dublin. It was true he bad been so, but he was also a petty magistrate, and on one occasion summoned a carman for beating him, and the bench unanimously acquitted the carman, unanimonsly convicted the magistrate, and fined him 51.—(Cheers)—and the Lord Mayor immediately petitioned the bench that they should take the fine at 11. per week—(Loud laughter)—and this demon of party was sent to beard the Duke of Leinstcr. Oh, how sympathetic they were at their imagined success.— (Cries of '' Hear, hear.") In every thing this tyranny over the people of Ireland was growing rife, as the party got prurient in their expectations of success. He would now refer to what had taken place in the parish of Cahir, where Lord Glengal had made out a list of guardians, but had been defeated, and three honest Catho lics retu.ned. It was not usual to call for the Lady-day rent until the August, but on this occasion orders were issued to have it paid on the following day, and the law-agent, James Barry, had instructions to serve latitats on those who did not pay their rents in their two days.—( Hear.) Was that legal? It was not just, but it showed in what spirit the-- Irish landlords acted. Was there an English Gen tleman in that House who would not be ashamed of persecuting his tenants in that way ?—( Hear, hear, hear.) To complete this a circular had been issued by the Irish Protestant Society in London, a copy of which had been given to him by Mr. Divett. The patron upon this circular was the Right Honourable Viscount Lorton, and then followed the names of Earl Dunrai en, the Earl of Enniskillen, and Captain Alsager, M. P. He should like to know what corps the gallant Captain belonged to—he was quite sure not the corps of Christians.—( Hear, hear, hear.) If Lord Lorton had intended to tempt the neighbourhood to crime and sin, he would have pursued the very course he hal adopted. The Right lion. Gentleman opposite had accused him ( Mr. O'Connell) of imputing a calumny to Lord Lorton. What arta it he stated ? He had stated a report from a newspaper, where a very good case was stated age i st a poor widow. The question was tried by a ju , v of most respectable Protestants, and the jury instantly found a verdict for the wide v, Lord Lorton in the mean time get a surrender from the son, who had no right to make such a surrender, and upon that he pulled the house about the ears of the widow, an'_ left her to inhabit a small c o tt age . C ould the - House then be surprised that there were outrages against the Nob e Lord for such condu c t ? W ere there not de nunciations against all who trampled upon the widow and orphan?—( Hear, hear, he :r.) But t h e H onourable Baronet had said that justice ought to be administered with impartiality, though he made an apology for mak ing the declaration, which he felt the absolute necessity of making. Now he felt it necessary to act with his friends, and who were his friends in Ireland ?—( Loud cheers.) Would he show him a moderate Protestant that would be favourable to an Administration of his. He mig ht spew him plenty of Orangemen, but n o t one P rotestat. The Learned Sergeant, the Member for Bandon, said that he had never attended the political meeting in Cork ; to prove that lie had he ( Mr. 0 . C.) produced the Morning Pot, which stated that at a meeting which took place in that city the Learned Sergeant said that his opinion had once, been favourable to Catholic Emancipation. but if the measure were to be proposed again, he should ' pander long before he voted for the measure. In ItoB he attended a meeting of the Brunswick Club at Mr. Donall's hotel in Cork, It was called a celebration of principle of the glorious revolution.—( Loud cries of " Question," and " Divide.") He ( Mr. O'Connell) begged those gentlemen to be attentive, fur the Learned Sergeant rose to be one of the Judges under the new regime, The toast there drunk was " To the immortal memory of the goed King William the Third, another " he Right lion. Sir R. Peel, the uncom promisieg guardian of public principle."— ( Cheers, and laughter.) The Learn( d Sergeant spoke to the latter toast—would he still deny that he attended that meeting. —( Question.) The Right Hon. Baronet talked of his impartiality, should he come into office ; he might be sincere, but neither man, woman, or child in Ireland would believe him. They had talked very much in praise of Lord Roden; but would it be believed that when the Catholics of Drogheda applied to him for a site for a new chapel, offering any money for it, he wrote them an insulting letter of refusal, stating that their religion was the worship of idolatry.—( Loud cries of " Question" from the Opposition side, and cheers.) He hNged to remind those impatiens- gear letnen, that he was pleading the cause of his country, and they ought to listen to him as the advocate of Ireland.—(" Oh, oh.") He had many observations to make as the manner in which he had been treated, but e would not do so in consequence of the lateness of the hour; but he must be allowed to al. lude to the manner in vvhic'a he had been insulted yesterday by the Hon. Baronet opposite, who took a tragic attitude and endeavoured to look like the false Knight in Sir W. Scott— " Lite a Doug - les, though no Doz.*,las born." Ile was glad to hear the Right Hon. Member for Pem broke take up the ease of Gahegan again. Who intro duced that else? A Learned Jadge, the Learned Recorder for Dnblin.—( Cheers.) There was an example for the purity of the Bench, the Learned Recorder coming for ward and stating the foulest calumnies.—( Ulcers.) He conjured the men of England not to hand over the Catholies of Ireland to sanguinary and ferocious inter ference. They must not think that they would have an easy victory over the people of Ireland. They had now been taught to agitate without violating the law. ( Cheers,) Did the Him. Gentleman mean to say they had net been watched with au eagle's eye and a vulture's apetite. Why three reporters had been sent to Ireland to watch their proceedings.—(Cheers.) He trusted the gentlemen of England would, persevere in their endea vours to obtain peace for Ireland, the other side of th House might be tyrants, but the people of Ireland would not be slaves. (The Hon. and Learned Member sat down amid much cheering.) Sir CHARLES DOUGLAS could assure the Hon, and Learned Member for Dublin, that he had not the slightest intention of insulting him last night ; if he had done so, he was extremely sorry for it, and apologised both of him and the H, use. Mr. O'CONNELL was perfectly satisfied, and heartily wished he had not mentioned the subject. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT rose amid loud cries of " Question, divide, withdraw," and other expressions of impatience, notwithstanding which the Hon. Baronet persisted in addressing the House, as we judged from his gesticulations, for not one word that fell from him was audible. At length he yielded to the impatience of the House, and resumed his seat. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said if he had had an oppor tunity of addressing the House at an earlier period, he certainly should have made some answer to the speech of the Noble Lord the Member for Lancashire. Two lines of arguments had been adopted on the other side—one that the House of Lords had imputed no blame, and did not mean censure in its proceedings, and that they merely amount ed to an ordinary case of inquiry. The other line was that so much of blame was attached to the Government of Lord Normanby that it was their duty to institute an inquiry, and that the House of Commons ought not to pronounce any opinion until that in quiry was gene through. If the first point was relied on, then he contended that one House of Parlia ment had as much right to inquire upon the subject as the other, and if that were the case what could be the danger of a collision by their coming to a❑ opposite vote ? but if the other and totally different and contradictory ground were relied on, saying that House had not thought proper to draw up articles of impeachment against the Government—then be would say, let them come to a vote as to whether there ought net to be a similar proceed ing in that House. They had no intimation of the proceedings of the other House, until the mo tio❑ of the Right Hoa. Gentleman te search the Journals. But suppose the House of Lords, having taken good care to have a sufficient majority of their own party on the Committee, suppose they went through the inquiry, and with as much decency as they could manage to put into it—( Cries of " Oh, oh")—and suppose that a resolution that, for all he knew, had been already drawn up—(renew e d cries of " Oh, oh," and cries of " shame, shame," from the Opposition Benches)—suppose that resolution, containing no more and no less than the speech which had been circulated through the country as the opening speech of the accusation or crimination of Lord Normanhy's Administration—he repeated, resolutiOne were drawn up in conformity with that speech, and such resolutions were affirmed hereafter by the House of Lords, he pre sumed they would appoint another Committee to search the Journals in order to come to a knowledge of their proceedings.—( Hear, hear.) Was it meant that that House should meet for three or six or ten months, during which time the inquiry might last, and then do nothing more than acquiesce in the decision, whatever it might be, of the House of Lords. There was one part of the proposition or amendment made by the Right Hon. Bart., which gave him—(Lord J. Russell) satisfaction, because he said that if the amend ment was not approved of, he would come to a direct j vote upon the original resolution. He thought that would be satisfactory to the House. The Noble Lord stated that the House of Commons ought not to place itself in collision with the House of Lords, and he had read letters which he confirmed by his own opinion, " that the evils of Ireland were deep seated—were the result of a long series of years, and were not to be traced to any immediate action of the Government of Lord Normanby."—(Hear, hear.) If that were the case, it was merely the argument which he had taken the liberty of stating at the commencement of the debate, that these evils were not produced by the gevernment of Lord Normanby since 1835, but that they are to be traced back to a more remote period. Another charge which had been made against the resolution which be had had the honour to pro pose was, that it was not confined to the period alluded to, and peinted.out in that of the House of Lords. Had he so confined hims'elf, then hw would have been open to the charge of throwing an imputation upon the Governments of Lords Anglesea and Wellesley. Having every respect for those Noble Lords he had most cautiously avoided giving cause for such a charge. He was, however, now charged with doing so, how much more would he have been liable to such a charge had he confined his resolution to the period of 1835 ?—( Cheers.) His Noble Friend, the Member for Lancashire, had said that nothing would come of the resolution—in that he very much differed with his Noble Friend, because, if the motion of the House of Lords had been allowed to stand, the effect in Ireland would have been that there would have been an opinion that under the name of a Committee of the House of Lords a new Government bad been ap pointed, and also have had an effect injurious to the Government.—(Cries of " Hear,") That people and the Government, however, could not think themselves deserted if a majority of the House of Corn: mons decided in his favour. The Hon. Member for Wilt shire (Sit-J. Burdett) had taunted him with inconsistency, of course he was an authority and very strick upon that point.—( Loud cheers and laughter.) He did not think he was doing anything incoesistent with the vote he had given upon the motion of the Honourable Member for Worcester. In asking for the present vote, he considered he was acting quite consistently. He was dm idedly of opinion that the Executive of either country should not ha entrusted to any other hands than these of the Government. He thought that if they were transferred to the bands of a Committee of the House of Lords it would only be the commencement cf a struggle, in which their privileges would be placed in the almost danger.—(The Noble Lord sat down amidst loud cheers.) Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. The House divided, when there appeared— For Lord John Russell's motion Against it (Sir It. Peel's Amendment) 296 Majority for Ministers ......... 22 Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he would now divide the House on his amendment. The gallery was again cleared, and the House divided. For Mr. Duncorn be ' s Amendment.. 81 Against it .... . ....... Majority for Ministers 2lB The House adjourned at a Quarter past Pour. IRISH WASTE LAN 0_ IMPROVE- MENT SOCIETY. Yesterday a numerous and blghly respectable S n aecia General Meeting of Proprietors of this Society was held at the Society's Rooms, Old Broad-street, City, "for the purpose of taking into consideration the propriety of autho rizing the Directors, pursuant to the provisions of the Act of Incorporation, to dispose of the 3,738 shares, which wore declared forfeited at a General Meeting on the 28th o f February last, and other business." Ormsby Gore, M. P•, in the Chair. Amongst the distinguished persons Present we noticed Edward J. Cooper , Esq , M. P.. John H eat h cote, Esq., M. P. ; Wrn. Blount, E-q. ; J. M. Alaude, Esq. ; T. Staples, [Arnie Murray , Esq ; Colonel Robi nson ; Ed war d B inald Esq. ; Robert Potarnh_ y ; Archbold, , Esq , M. P. ; Captain Bond Bermingham, Es Amory, Esq. ; and ether ;gentlemen. q . Mr. WILKINSON (the Secretary) h av i ng read the ad vertisement, calling th e meeting, The CHAIRMAN expressed his regret that in conse quence of the absence of their able Chairman (the Earl of Devon) the duty had to - day devolved u pon him of presi ding .at this numerous and respectable meeting. The Noble Earl was now in Ireland, ‘ and he w ee h appy to say was to have been en g aged oaedn es d ay last in presiding f V over a public meeting o f the friends and supporter s of this Society, which was held in Dublin, and which he hail no doubt would be atte nded with the greatest ad vantages to the shareholders as one body, and to the people of Ireland is a much more eminent degree. The principal object, h o wever, of their a ssembling here to-day was to consider the prop riet y of selling the 3,73 8 s h ares which were declared to have been forfeited by the General Meeting on the '2Bth of February l ast. Such being the object for which tney had assembled, he would be happy to hear any gentleman make such observation s as the cir cumstances might induce him to offer to the meeting. Mr. MAUDF., having referred to the terms of the Act of Parliament auther:zing the Directors to sell the shares so forfeited either by " public auction orrivat e contra, eeei ct" "Directors &c., moved the follng Thatresolution, the do sell and dispose ef the 3,738 shares which were declared forfeited by a resolution of the half -yearly General Meet ing held on the 28:h of February last, in such manner and for s uc h p r ice as they may think fit." , Captain BOND seconded the resolution, which was una nimously agreed to. Mr. BertmleGnam thought it would be but faire renc, in to the pref e disposal of the forfeited s har es , to give t h e those persons who had at all times continued their con fidence in the Society's exertions, and paid up the call which had been made upon there ; and in furtherance of that view, he begged leave to propose the folloaing resolu tion : That in the disposal of the forfeited shares the Directo s be recommended to give a preference to those shareholders who have paid their call on the non-forfeited shares." The resolution having b_en seconded, was unanimously agreed to. Mr. L. Muaaay asked if any names were yet put do-An for the shares?—when The CHAIRMAN answered not as yet, although of their extensive disposal there could be but little doubt. He would take this opportunity of calling the attention of the meeting to the very able and valuable Report which had been made to the Society by one of their Directors (Cu!. Robinson), and a Report which, while it shows the valuable system on which this Society acted, proved at the same time the great research and the active and zealous mind which that Hon. Director always brought to the considera tion of their affairs. That Report required to be studiously read and attended to, when there could be no doubt that while it reflected credit on its distinguished author, it would prove in practice of the most essential benefit to the shareholders here, and the moral improvement of the Irish people.—( Hear, hear.) The Directors had already tenders d him their thanks for to hat ho had claee, but he was satisfied that the present respectable meeting of the proprietary would not separate without also adding their approbation of his able and efficient services in their cause. —( Hear, hear ) Mr. BERMINGHAM said he could bear ample testimony to the important benefits which the visit of the gallant Direc tors had conferred upon that portion of the people of Ire land, through whose districts he had journeyed. Ile looked fully and fairly into the state of the country—_he sympa thized with the poor—and he generally produced a most favourable impression in favour of the exertions of this So ciety.—( Hear, bear.) The subject of " removals" was one which had hitherto been attended with no little diffi culty in many parts of Ireland; but, however so ~such attached the Irishman naturally felt to the part of the coun try that gave him birth, still only prove to him that a change of " locality" will honestly tend to better his con dition, and the removal of hundreds could be effected with out the slightest disturbance. This Society, as far as their means had gone, contributed to offer resources in many cases of removal, in consequence of the over-population of other districts. From Portumna to Galway almost the whole of the country was waste—there was no employment for the people, and the result was, that thousands were starv ing, while he had no doubt but that there was plenty of capi tal in Ireland to employ the people if it were properly applied. The fact was that the Irish should be taught to work, to make proper drains, to know the use of proper instru ments of husbandry, to be supplied with good seed—in a word, they should be taught to know that an iron plough, which could be bought for 505., would last for ten years, and might descend as an heir-loom to their families. The Irish people he knew to be honest, and anxious to fulfil their engagements, and if fairly treated would equal any people in the world. He hoped that the visit of the Gal het Director would be annually repeated, for he was satisfied that the Society, of which he was so valuable a Member, would be the means of regenerating Ireland—of advancing the pecuniary interests of the shareholders, and obtaining the blessings of a grateful people.—( Hear. ) E. COOPER, Esq., M. P., bore his testimony to the accuracy of the facts stated in the Gallant Director's valuable report, with reference to the county of Sligo. He concurred with the last speaker, that " Paddy would not take things for granted," but show him one or two persons who have successfully followed a new path to im. provement, and lie would follow it without hesitation.— ( Hear.) He had himself caused some experiments to be tried upon his estate relative to green crops—the first was in a rood of turnips, upon which three cows, bought in November, and sold in the latter end of January had been fed, and in that short time the party had cleared 5/. by their sale. The next was an agricultural experiment upon an acre of turnips upon which bone manure and horn shavings (to be had at a very moderate price) had been used, and where the former ten ant had not been able to pay an' acreable rent of 21 shil lings, the farmer who made the recent experiment, had realized not less than 171. lie would not for his own part encourage the system of buying up lands from persons, be cause the money was generally bo-rowed to buy up the "good-will" of such lands at large rate of interest; and in the next place, because such an outlay would not lead in its consequences to the improvement of the land. He was fa vourable to the granting of beneficial leases, and he was satis fied that while the "green crop" system was a good one, it could not at once be followed out by the Society, The shareholder; must not expect immediate profit, but their ultimate success was demonstrably certain.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. lement MURRAY said he had but a few words to offer upon the question of " immediate profits." He ( Mr. Murray) was one who had been urged by a double motive to embark in the improvement of the waste lands of • Ireland. These motives were the advancement of the moral and physical condition of the people of that country, and the pecuniary advantage to be gained in so good a work by the Shareholders. Both these objects must go hand in hand before he could be induced to take an active part in the undei taking. It was, however, to correct the unfavourable impression which the unintentional speech of the Hon. Member for Sligo was calculated to make as to the time the Proprietors should have to wait a return of the investment, admittedly large as that return might be. It would not be the object of the Society hereafter to enter into the details of cultivation, or concentrate their powers and their capital on the few estates it would be within their power to manage, as it would be impossible for a limited number of individuals to bestow that requisite attention to the wants of an extended tenantry in dlfferent parts of Ireland, which the actual possession of a great number of estates at the same time would involve. It was rather to the powers which the Act of Incorporation granted to the Society that immediate profit might be looked for. than by postponing those profits until the fu'ure results of cultivation were known, however great they might be. And here it might not be outof place to explain what those powers were; and.his own view-orthegriannor tif wetting them to good account. It Might - not , bc , sb ev4ltikilown thtte whit, had hitherto restricted the reclamation of the waste lands of Ireland, was the uncertain - tenu:e which the great owners of entailed estates in Ireland could grant to tnose who were willing to embark their energies, skill, and capi tal in the improvement of those lands. Thus a vast tract of fine country, capable of cultivation, and the sustenance of a large population has hitherto been useless to the proprietors, and unproductive to the country. By the Act incorporating the Society, this great drawback had been remedied—it converted, as it were, a life-interest into nearly a perpetuity, enabling the landlord of Irel Ind to grant a lease of his lands fur 99 years, of: which, hereto. fore, owing to the law of entail, he could give little better than a life-interest—an inducement totally inade quate to recompense the outlay of either labour or capital. He thought the Act of Incorporation of this Society was principally s 'linable because it gave to them the power of granting leases of those lands which they might ac quire, for a longer, an I therefore a more beneficial term of years, than could be granted by the landlords them selves. Having this power, and extending their es tates over the la: ger surface of the waste lands, their reclamation would be the more rapidly extended and ad vanced, and at the same time call forth much of the latent capital which he was fully persuaded was at this moment to be found in Ireland.—( Hear, hear.) It was not to the amount of capital, but to a want of the proper induce ments afforded the cultivators of the soil in calling it forth, the poverty and wretchedness of Ireland was to be attributed. (Hear, hear.) He concurred in what had been said as to the sagacity of the Irish people, and that they, like most other people, would not lay out a shilling by "persuasion," nor in any shape, until they were satisfied of the advantage to be derived from it. It was his opinion also, that the tenants gene rally should have a more beneficial interest in the soil in Ireland than they had hitherto enjoyed. Nor could an im provement be expected in that or any country until the interest of tho proprietor and cultivator was made identical, and that desideratum could be most effec tually supplied by this Society. That object being once accomplished this Society would be remunerated, the te nants considerably benefited, and the whole face of the country most materially improved. This Society, experience of Ireland had been obtained at a very trifling outlay of capital, particularly looking at the vast moral objects they had in view,__.( Hear.) He would' briefly explain the mode of working nut those views which, he had no doubt, would be those hereafter adopted, and of rendering the Society a source of profit, and producing a beneficial influence on the state of the country. He would assume that the Corporation obtained the possession of several eligible estates, that instead of seeking its profit by the cultivation of them on its own account, it would direct a system of general improvement, in the making of connecting roads in draining and laying out the lands in different applettnents, so as to fit the land for reclamation in detail. It would be found, that by offering inducements in the shape of a permanent interest to the cultivators, each applotment would soon be occupied by a substantial tenant who had sufficient capital for its improvement, and whielr he was ready to advance on the security of the tenure it was in the poser of the Society, by its Act of Incorporation, to grant. Then the Society would, by a moderate outlay con fined to objects of a general nature, and by means of the security it was enabled to give to its tenants, soon be in possession of an increased rental, and put into activity the energies and capital, and, let him add, the kindly feelings of human nature. The Society would thus be possessed of a marketable commodity, in the shape of a "profs: rent," of which it would have no difficulty in disposing. It had only to say—here is an estate, here is the rent we pave and here is the rent we receive ; and he had no doubt there would be found many purchasers ready to deal with the Society, at a price considerably enhanced beyond the outlay. By these meals an irainediate profit would be secured to the shareholders, and a large dividend frequently declared, while the improvement of the country would be advancing in a most rapid manner. In this way a capital of 100,000/ , constantly employed, and spread over from time to time an extended surface in the acqui. sition, and improvement, and re-sale of these lands, could be rendered more highly profitable than if they cul tivated those estates and held them in their own hands. As to any difficulty in the removals of the Irish people from one locality to another, he saw nothmg in it, as they now went cheerfully to Canada, to Austral.a, an .I would go any where, provided, however, their interest was to be improve d or beneficially secured.—( Hee-. hear.) Mr. SMITH asked if tee opinions just stated by the Ho nourable Director were those of the Board of Directors, as they involved considerations of the very highest impor tance? • Mr. LAMIE Munnev answered in the negative. They were merely his own opinions, and he was not aware that they had been at any time discussed, much less submitted to the Board of Directors. The time had but art ived for their discussion. The CHAIRMAN said the question was one of great im portance:' and also a very proper one to have been asked by the Hon. Gentleman. For himself he deprecated the idea getting aleoad that their profits were to be postponed for years to‘come, for any individual who would take the trou ble of reading the very last report of the Society would find not only that their profits would commence iutmediately, but that a dividend would have been declared, if it had not been thought more advisable to wait a little longer to make in a great deal larger.--( Heap.) Ile considered himself to have been fortunale in introducing this Act into the House of Commons, for he looked upon it as far superior Ito any Poor-law, if it were properly worked out. Ireland was rich in natural powers—her population was industrious beyond belief, as indeed might be seen in this country, where they did double the work of an English labourer to procu:e that money which they could not obtain at home. All they wanted was capital in the landlords, and that want was supplied by this Society to the extent of th.,ir means, and he trusted that, through their exertions, the able-bodied Irish poor would not find it necessary to apply to any Poor-law Guardians, but to the proprietors of the Irish Waste-land S)ciety.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. COOFER. said he did not mean to say that immediate profits were not to be had under the system practised by this Society—on the contrary, he would to-morrow become a large purchaser of their land, because be would be sure of a large prospective profit. The CHAIRMAN—NO doubt of it, and so fully was the Legislature aware of that fact, that the landlords bad a clause inserted, by which, in the event of tine Company's Estates being °tiered for sale, they were to have the first offer at nineteen years' purchase, and in case of their refusal, then they might be put up for sale in the best and most open market. A vote of thanks was then unanimously passed to Colonel Robinson, fur the zeal, talent, and ability displayed in the valuable Report which he had presented to the Society• The Gallant Officer, in returning the compliment, said all the information which appeared his Report, had their foundation in fact and truth, and hence was any value to b, attached to them. During his visit to the Society's estates, he found persons of all parties, and all religious persuasions anxious to afford him every information, and he could add, that the greatest desire prevailed in Ireland to support the objects of this Society.---( Hear, hear. ) Colonel ROBINSON next proposed a vote of thanks to the SJeicty's Agent, Mr. Cooper, whom he found to be a most efficient officer, and, in point of information, almost equal to an Encyclopaedia..—Agreed to. The CHAIRMAN begged to add, that it was in the dis cretion of the Directors to permit persons who had not paid up, and therefore forfeited their shares, still to make ap plication to pay up, and that each particular application would be fully attended to on its own specific merits. Thanks being voted to the Chairman, the meeting separated. ROMAN CATHOLIC EMANCiPA- TION ACT. SYNOD OF GLASGOW AND AYIt. (From the Ayr Observer of _April.l6.) Mr. RimNs broughi forward the following overture: " It is humbly overtured by the very Reverend the Synod of Glasgow and Ayr—That whereas Popery is opposed to the Word of God, is the Antichrist of Scrip ture, and is calculated to bring down the judgments of God upon the kingdoms and communities which give it their countenance ; and whereas shell countenance has been given it in our country by the Act of I 529, com monly called The Roman Catholic Emancipation Act,' by which our kingdoM has bccoma a promoter of Anti christ, and has thereby exposed itself to God's threat ened judgments ; therefore, that this Synod do petition both Houses of Parliament for the repeal of the above mentioned Act, and thus exclude Papists from political power in this Protestant State." Dr. BURNS, in support of the overture, said they could not oppose the grants to Maynooth, or to the Catholics in the colonies, so long as they did not lift up their testimony against Catholic's being in Parlia ment. So long as they recognised the country, as Pro testant they might oppose such grants, but they could no longer do so when Catholics were in ParliarnQut. If they did not repeal the Act of 1829, they would bring down the judgm en t s o f G o d upon th e coun t r y. Dr. Burns then alluded to the Queen's Coronation Oath to support the Church of Scotland, which he maintained could never be properly done so long as the Public purse was in the hands of Roman Catholics. He objected to Catholics being in any Legislative capacity. They got into Parliament by trickery ; th e y promised to take no part against the Protestant Church ; but their duty te) their own Church was pa ramount, and they kept no faith with heretics. The Catholic Members of the House of C'anmons were practically guilty of perjury. If their petition was sup ported by such men as Colquhoun, Plumptre, and Sin clair, Dan would tremble. Besides, th e Mi n i s t ers of the land trembled before the Church of Scotland ; and a petition from such au influential body as the Synod would have a powerful effect. He moved the adoption of the overture. Mr. STORY agreed in the preamble of the overture, but he disagreed with the proposal to petition. That would, he thought, place them as a spiritual Collet in a false position. They should first apply to God on the subject. They should appoint a day of fasting and humiliation on account of that sin ; and after asking counsel of God in prayer they could better approsch the Parliament. After illustrating the necessity. of this course at considerable length, Mr. Story concluded with a motion to that effect. Dr. SmYTii thought there was no inconsistency in adopting the overture and Mr. Story's suggestion at the same time. Mr. MONCRIEFF, of Kilbride, differed from the over. ture and from the suggestion of the Rev. Gentleman. The overture was far too strongly worded to make it pass with any one who had in 1829 supported the measure. If Mr. Story's suggestioa ware adopted, he would appeal to the Assembly, as it would be calling on men to humble themselves for what they did not consider a sin. If they got their object, how was Ire land to - be governed? Some might say they would govern. Irelarid on the exclusive sistern ; but he doubted if all who would vote for the overture were prepared for this. He moved that the overture be dismissed. Mr. SOMMERVILLE, of Andel ston, maintained that principle, and not expediency, should guide them ; none but those who admit Christ's rule should bear the sword of Government. Mr. BuewsTEß seconded Mr. Moncrieff. The speeches on the other side had been addressed to their feelingc, rather than to their judgments. If they ex cluded any class of men from civil offices from differ ences in religious opinions, let them carry out the prin ciple, or throw it to the winds. If we wish to convert the Roman Catholics, let us conciliate them' by giving them their just rights, and then they would he more suited for being proselytes. Mr. STORY having withdrawn his motion, at the re vest of several members, a vote was taken, when tha overture was carried by 45 to 2. It was then resolved that, on the bringing up of the petition, the Synod should engage in devotional exer• cises on the subject embraced in the petition. The Synod adjourned at one o'clock, till Thursday at eleven o'clock. Thursday, April 11. The Synod met at eleven o'clock, and the reports of the Committees appointed last night to draw up peti tions in accordanca with the overtures were brought up and approved of. Dr. Smyth. on the bringing up of the petition for a repeal of the Roman Catholic Relief Bill, engaged in prayer, in accordance with the resolu tion of last night. Dr. Fleming requested that be might ex gratia be permitted to enter his dissent from the overture on Roman Catholic Emancipation agreed to last night after he left the Synod. Tile request, as being informal, was not complied with. An overture by Dr. Macfarlan that the Synod peti tion against the grant to the Popish College of May nooth, against the appointment of It man Catholic Bishops and Priests in the colonies, and the establisi ment of Popery in distant parts of our possessions, and against the encouragement given to Popery by recent measures in reference to the Church of Ireland was then read, and after some discussion agreed to. The deputation from the Synod and the Presbytery of Glasgow having now gone to meet with the Town Council, it was proposed to go on with the next busi ness, which was that of a reference from the Presby tery of Paisley as to the case of Mr. Brewster and Mr. Ribble. It was, horrerer, stated, that there was a previous dissent and complaint from one of the members of the Paisley Presbytery in respect to the finding of the Presbytery in this case, and that it would he re quisite to hear parties with shut doors. The result was, that the matter was remitted back to the Presby tery of Paisley, to proceed in the case according to the laws of the Church. The business of the Synod having been finished, the next meetin. , was fixed to tak e pl ace :it Irvine, on the Second 'Tuesday of October next, and the Synod ad journed. TRURO .CHURCH-DATE WAR. (FROM OVR OWN CORIIESPONDENT.) TRURO, APRIL 17.—The Church party are not yet satis fied with what they have already effected by the incarcera tion of five respectable men for their Church rate opposi tion, but they seem to be determined to follow up the advantages that they have gained, and thus they hope by vigorous action to compel the Dissenters to surrender. On Friday week the Church party, after a determined opposition—more determined than was ever before known here—obtained a rate of twopence in the pound. They had previously taken out warrants of distress against three more Dissenters and on M anday last these warrants were served, and goods sciz, d to an amount which shows the kind of feeling by which the partisans of this most tolerant Church arc actuated. The amount claimed to be due from Mr. Poole, schoolmaster, was 83. , and they seized a piano forte, worth abeuf Cl. The claim on Messrs. Lowry and Son, dyers, was 15s. 9d. ; and the property taken is a mahogany dining table worth 3/ , a mahogany pillar and claw table, worth 25a. 'or 303., six mahogany cha;rs, worth 1/„ and a batter tray and tea-tray, worth 1/. These are the prices they wruld,fetch if fairly sold ; what they cost would be a very different amount. The other person whose house Las been entered by the ruthless tgents of the Church, is a Mr. Tonkin, a sadvil,r, from whose premises the cor.sta'tle took a saddle that was to be sold for three guineas, fur the trifling sum of 14s. Such are some of the teadcr exhibi tions of aff7ction every now and then evinced by thO priests and wardens of the '• Poor Mart's Church." Yet it will scarcely be believed that all this severity is accotnp inicd by the meat shameless hypocrisy —by lamentations about the law, and the injustice of continuing a tax upon Dis senters for the support of the Church- by regrets agai end again repeated that Church-rates art not abolished, Gum persons who, on every occasi, n that presents itself, go and vote fur e rate that mast continue these turmoils and heart-burniags—that must cause tee most bitter feelings between neighbour and neighbour. Nothing, however, eau put a stop to this warfare, but a discontinuance of the system , that occasions it, for many, very many, persons have solemnly EVENING EDITION averred that so long es they live they will never pay the Churi4t-rate, and, from their known determinaglion, it is not likely that they will succumb. The Whigs tAT. a i tnog t dery F,ted fir having left things in this state. They made the abolition of Church.rates one of the great means by which to get into power, and titcn, because they were met cn the part of the Church by a bold front, they aban doned the questi'm ; whereas, had they adopted an hunester and a b ,Ider policy, they would have gained the good opi nio❑ of the country, and avoided the contemptible position in which they are now placed. The sale of the :articles so honestiv obtained will take place on Friday. Whether there will be another such a scene enacted as was witnessed on the occasion when Oke sold thliproperty of the persons now in gaol - er na j os to be ascertained. The public arc very much excited, but there will certainly be an avoidance of anything that the Tory spies can swear to of a I iotous nature. TO THE EDITOR OF TILT SUN. Sta —The inietest occasioned by the prt.c edings at Tiuro on Cie qu:stion of Church-rates, as well as the striu minb up and sentence of Baron Gurney, when he presided at the trial of Barrett and others th e - Cornwall Assizes, leads me to inquire whether any of your readers ran give me any information as to the accuracy of a statement which I have heard made with respect to the former professions of that Learned Judge. I wish to know whether, when Ba ron Gurney was a member of the Baptist Church at Maze Pond, he was a party to the passing a resolution, which was entered on the Church-book, to the effect that if any member of that Church should at any time take any place under the Government, it should be held to be a sufficient reason for the discharge of such member from the commu nion of the Church there assembling? If such a resolu tion was ever passed, and if Baron Gurney was a party to that resolution, a knowledge of that fact will be very use ful to the people of this county, many of whom cannot comprehend what could have occasioned the extreme bit terness of the Judge on the day of trial. If it should 'be so, the conduct exhibited would be explained, as no par tizan is so malignant as a renegade, especially when the apostscy takes place in the latter years of life. I am, Sir, your obedient servant, Cornwall, April 16, 1839. INQUIRNA We should be obliged to any Correspondent'who infoun us how the Learned Baron disposed of himself an Sundays between the time that he left the Baptists in Maze Pond-street and joined the Presbyterians in Jtiwin street. We have been told that be had a taste of the In dependents in the interval. If so it is clear that he is a member of the Body called " The Three Denominations."] FROM LAST NIGHT'S GAZETT S f. JAMES'S-PALACE, APRIL 17, 1839. The Queen was this day pleased to confer the honour df KniOithood upon Major Thozias Livingston Mitchell, Surver- General of New South Wales. Commission signed by the Lord Lieutenant of Staffordshire." Queen's Own Royal Staffordshire Regiment of Yeomanti . Cavalry—ll. W. G. Lord Paget to be Captain, vice Lord Ver non resigned, March 2G. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Glou cester, and of the City and County of the City of G'ou cester, and of the City and County of the City of Bristol. Gloucestershire Regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry—C. R. J. Sawyer, Gent. to be Cornet, vice Hughes, resigned; W. H. Fletcher, Gent., to be Regimental Surgeon, vice Carden, re signed, April 1. DECLARATIONS OF INSOLVENCY. PIETER VAN DEN ENDE, merchant, London-w All. CHARLES DAWSON, fruiterer, Covent-garden-market. GEORGE FINISTER, wine merchant, Edmonton. BANKRUPTS. JAMES WILLIAM BALL and WILLIAM MILLAIi, letter-press printers, Mount-pleasant, Gray's Inn-road to sur render April 26, at two, and May 3-1, at half-past elciOn, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Smith, Wilmington-square, *a-fields ; Carman, Finsbury-square, official assignee. FRANCIS LEETE, victualler, Chipping Ongar, Ess ay May 3, at half-past one, and May 31, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Carts, Witham, Essex ; Brooksbank mud Gray's Inn-square ; Turquand, Copthall-buildings, official assignee. WILLIAM HICKMAIC, rag- merchant, Upper Thames• street, May 1, at one, and May 31, at eleven, at tho Court 4:;,f of Bankruptcy. Phillips, Size-lane; Lackington, Coleman street-buildings, official assignee. JOHN HA [UTLEY BUTTER WORTH, victualler, Leaden hall Market, April 26, at two, and May 31, at twelve, at'the Court of Bankruptcy. Harpur, Kenningttm-cross; Johnson, Basinghall-street, official assignee. RICHARD PHILLIPS, victualler, Queen -street, Chelsea, April 29, at half-cast one, and May 31, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Helders, Clement's Inn ; Clark, New Broad street-court, New Broad-street, official assignee. THOMAS HARRIS, grocer, St. Alban's, May 2, and 31, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Teesdale, Symes, apd Weston, Fenchurch-street; Gibson, Basinghall-street, official assignee. THOMAS PATEN, lodging-house keeper, Worthing, May 2, and 31, at twelve, at the Town Hall, Brighton. Edmunds, Worthing ; Waugh and Fisher, Great JA'nes-street, Bed ford-row. JOHN SMITH, baker, Torpoint, Cornwall, May 4, at too, and May 31, at two, at the Royal Hotel, Plymouth. Sole, Devonport ; Soles, Ahlermanbury. RICHARD BYNON, clothes dealer, Devonpert, May 11, an - ]3l, at ten, at the Royal Hotel, Devonport. Elworthy, Plymouth ; Surr, Lombard-street. JOHN CHAPNIAN, victualler, Wisbeach St. Peter's, Cambridgeshire, April 29, and 'May 31, at tWelVe; at the elcke, King's Lynn, Norfolk. Jackson, Wisbeach St. Peters ; Wing and Twining Gray's Inn-square. WILLIAM DAVIS, linen-draper, Bath, April 30, and May 31, at twelve, at the Castle and Ball Inn, Bath. Prideattx, istol ; Holme, Loftus, and Young, New Inn, •London. SIMEON PINKARD, brewer, Southampton, May Lad 31, at twelve, at the Commercial Hotel, Portsea. Lew, Pertsea ; Francis, St. Swithin's-lane. PHILIP BRAY, dealer in potatoes, Bronzy d, Hertford shire. May 28 and 31, at twelve, at the Kir* Arms Inn, Bromyard. Deveroux, Bromyard ; Hastings, Red Lion square. • DIVIDENDS. ' At the Court of Bankruptcy, Basinghill-strict. • S. 'loadley, coach maker, New Bond street,' May Ip, at one—lL Clarke and J. forges, coal factors, Coal ExchUlge, City, May 10, at one—C. and R. D. Jiaeob, merchants,. George-yard, LonZard-street, Slay 10, at twelve—R. Taylor, mercer, Southwark, Slay 13, at half-past eleven. In the Country. H. Poole, innkeeper, Carnarvon, May 25, at twelve, at the Sportsman Hotel, Carnarvon—W., Hirst, merchant, Leeds, June 14, at one, at the Court House, Leeds—R. Maeheil, innkeeper, Dewsbury, Yorkshire, May 11, at eleven, at the Court House, Leeds—W. Wise, picture merchant, Manchester, May 14, at twelve, at the Commissismers Rooms, Manch es t er and W. Greenwood, cotton spinners, Wheley, York shire, May 17, at twelve, at the Magistrates' Office, Halifax, SPORTING INTELLIUENCII. NEWMARKET FIRST SPRING MEETING—FRIDAY. Handicap Sweepstakes of 10 sovs each, for three-yr-olds and upwards. A.F. (Four Subs.) Mr. William's Quicksilver, 5 yrs, 7st 71b (Rogow) 1 Lord Exeter's Adrian, 5 yrs, 7st lllb Mr. Thornhill's Egotist, 3 yrs, bat 41b (carried 56t 3 Betting—Even on Quicksilver, and 10 to 6 agst Adrian. Won by a head. Sweepstakes of 10 cove each ; for three-yr-olds, 7st; four yrs, Bst 61b ; five yrs, six yrs, and aged, 96t. D.M. The win ner to be sold for 100 cove, if demanded, &c. (Six Subs.) Lord Stradbrokc'i fby Taurus, 3 yrs (Cotton) I Lord Tavistock's f by Taurus, 4 yrs 2 Mr. Greville's Lyster. 3 yrs Lord Lichfield's c by Caius Mr. Fyson's b c by Priam, 3 yrs Captain Daintree's bc by Redgauntlet, 3 yrs Betting-3 to I against bc by Redgauntlet, 4to 1 against 1 by Taurus, 4to 1 against Lyster, and 4 to 1 against the Caius colt. Won by a length. The Newmarket Stakes, a subscription of 50 cove each, h ft ; for three-yr-old colts, Bst 71b; and fillies, Sat 21b (Twenty-eight Subs.) Duke of Grafto.i's b e Montreal Mr. Thornhill's b c Montezuma The following also started, but were not placed :--Dig, Bat son's b c llrother.to Plenipo, Duke of Portland's c Polydaus, Duke of Portland's f Cwnis, and Lord Albemarle's Tros. Betting-7 to 4 against the Duke of Portland's two (taken), 3 to 1 against Brother to Plenipo (taken), 6,7, but at last to 1 against Montreal, 5 to 1 against Tros, and 7 to 1 against Montezuma. Won by a head. Sweepstakes of 100 sore each, It ft for three-Tear-old fillies, warranted untried at the time of naming, Bst 71h each. D.M. Those out of untried allowed 31bs. A winner of 200 sore before the day of starting 71bs extra. (4 Subs.) Lord Stradbroke's b: f. by Priam (m. unt.) ...... (Nat.) I Loed Exeter's f. by Reveller (m. tint.) . ...... 4 2 Lord Tavistack's ch. f. by Taurus (m. unt.) .. Betting-6 and 7t040n b. f. Priam. Woni —. n a canter by three length,. Handicap Sweepstakes of 10 toys. each, for three• year olds and upwards. T. Y.C. (6 Subs.) Lord Stradbruke's Fifer, 5 yrs., fist. 21b. -•-- (Nat ) 1 Mr. Thornhill's Egeria, 5 yrs., get. Mr. Ilayner's Arsenic, 6 yrs., est. Mb. (carried Est. 41b. y. ; 8 Lord Exeter's c. by Revelyr, 2 yrs., 65t...... Lord Allyanarle's Basil, 5 yri. Lord Or.ord's c. be Flexible, 4 yrs., 6st. clli. Betting-5 to 4 agst Fifer, sto I agst Egeris,'6 to I apt' Arsenic. and 6to 1 a4st Lord Orford's. Woe by i length. Sweepstakes of 10 soya, each ; fur two-yrs.-old colts. Bat. 61b. ; and fillies, est. 31b. T. Y, C. (5 Subs.) Lord Lynedoch's c. by Jerry , (J. Day) 1 Mr. Rayner's Ten-pound Note (carried eat. 41b.) '1 he following were not placed :—Colonel Peel's ch f by Velocivede, out of Malibran ; Mr. Pettit's Hiss Romer ; and Mr. Vv . Edward's African Sal. The latter '. cut to the post, but did not start. A good race. That iclay Night. The Queen's Plate having ended in a walk over, we liavo little to aid to what we sent from the Heath. The 1,000 Guineas Stakes, although neither of the favourites is in the Oaks, excited considerable interest, and was speculated on to a, large amount. After three or four false starts Cfenis wet away with the lead, followed b y Cara and Macremma to the new ground, where Alexandrina and Retrospect joinrd them ; at the c'rds Cronis and Cara were loft to themselves ; halt(' way up the latter challenged, and after a short struggle defeated tl k , Duke's filly cleverly by a length. Alexandrina w.ts about three lengths astern of Csenis. The course was well attended, notwithstanding the gloomy and boisterous state of the weather. , BETTING IN TIIE EVENIN G. DERBY'. 6 to 1 agst Lord Jersey's lot (talign) 7 t , )l agst Lord Jersey's Cesar Ctaken) 9 to 1 agst Col. Peel's T he De y of Algiergs(ttoakf hand and 8 to 1 agst Mr. G. Cla rk ' s Dra g sman (taken) 9 to 1 agst Lord Lichfield's The Corsair ( tak en) 15 to 1 agst Mr. Thor n hill's Euclid (taken) 20 to I agst Marquis of \Vestmutster's Sleight 25 to 1 agst Sir G. Lleatheote's ralaineourt 30 to 1 agst Lord Jrrsey's Ilderim (taken) 40 to 1 agst Lird Albernarle's Domino (taken) 50 to 1 sgst Marq uis of Westminster's Lord if a y or 0, k ., u t i l C ' O Deceptiont eS eh ir nb .) ra z o (taken) 50 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Epidaurus (tak en ) 30 to 1 agst Mr. I3atson's Brother to Pl en i po (taken) 100 60 0 t t o o 1 1 0 aaggststFsuilr G. warCiriao‘a e MOST EXTRAORDINARY CASE.--On Thurg day week a most extraordinary and melancholy occurrence took place at Diseworth, in Leicestershire, by which Jane Dcxter, aged five years, lost her life, the podr little suffe-ne being almost burnt to a cinder, in the temporary absence of her mother-in-law, who left her alone in the h o uce- . pla_cZ Every particl e of h er c l ot hi ng was e3nsume d, wit c h b e N l e. ;;" ception of her sh oes an d s t oc ki ng s. Th' untilpoor rcastble not survive above half an hour, being quite death relieved her sufferings.