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~~ EVEN f'SG loN. RESPECT FOR THE SABBATH. 1 (From the Derby Reporter ) A very large proportion of tee letter-receiving house holdere, residing within the range of the Derby Penny Post, having requested that their letters might not be sent to them on the Lord's Day; except in cases of great emergency, the Postmaster of Derby applied to the London Post Office for instructions, forwarding, at the same time, a printed copy of the names with which he had been supplied. He was very properly desired n t to act upon the printed copy, but, if he should re eei; a the eanie requt•s' from any number of persons with the signatures atteched, again to refer the matter to London, that the Postmaster-Generai's commands might be received thereon. Under these circumstances all the Derby letters have been sent out as usual on Sunday, the 21 st of April, the letter carriers brought back to the Post Office about two thirds of them, stating that (although they had left several at the houses, the parties being from home) only one of the persons who had signed the request to the Postmaster had personally received his letter, and that he had desired that no more letters might be brought to him on the Lord's Day. Many felt very indignant at having their letters sent to them, notwithstanding their request to the contrary. Tuis request has been signed by three of the County Members, by a very large portion of the country gen tlemen of the district, and of the commercial men and tradesmen of Derby, including the four Banking Com panies, and the Proprietors and Editors of both the Derby newspapers. All the Clergy, and eight Dis senting Ministers of Derby have joined in it. Sever al of the medical men and others (thinking that so long as their letters come to Derby on the Lord's Day the interests of others require that they should receive them), have signed a statement that they would "'very willingly see the transmission of the mails, and the delivery of letters altogether disconti nued on that day." The signatures already received to the letter to the Postmaster, amount to upwards of one thousand, and that number will yet be greatly increased as very few of those who have been applied to on the subject have refused to sign either the one or the other of these documents. Most of the signatures having been sent to the Postmaster, and he having again com municated with the London Post-office, the subjoined letterfroni Coionel Maberly has been received by him on the subject, and he has forwarded a copy of it to the Committee of the. County Sabbath Society for the in formation of the- public. There is only an evening delivery on the Sunday at Derby, but should a simi lar request be signed at other places, where there is a morning delivery (and the same thing is on foot in Udinburgh, Birmingham, Liverpool, York, Exeter, and in several parishes in Norfolk) letters, expected to arrive on urgent matters, may be sent for at a givea hour be fore the letter carriers go their rounds. The inhabitants of the several parishes and districts in Derby, of vast numbers of parishes in this county, of Edinburgh, Bath, Birmingham, Liverpool, of many large towns in York shire, in the Potteries, and in South Staffordshire, &c. &c., are forwarding petitions to Parliament praying that the Sabbath mail may be stopped and the many thou sands c-f persons employed thereby set free for the pecu liar privileges of that day. If all the inhabitants of London, if the country gentlemen, the professional men, the bankers, the commercial men and tradesmen of Derby, and its neighbourhood and of other places can do without their letters till Monday, what great neces sity can there be why the same classes should receive them on the Lord's Day in any part of the country ? Why should not Sunday be a blank day with regard to all Post-office business, not only in London but throughout the United Kingdom ? The following is Colonel Maberley's letter to the Postmaster of Derby : General Post-office, 25th April, 1839. Sir,—The Postmaster-General has had before him your letter of the 22d instant, and I am to inform you, that under the circumstances, his Lordship has no al ternative but to comply with the wishes of that portion of the - inhabitants of Derby who desire that no letters may be delivered to them by letter-carriers on the Sun day, but he directs that you will obtain and preserve the written authority of " every person" who desires his let ters to be so kept back before that course is adopted! so that in the event of any legal proceedings or com plaints hereafter arising out of the non-delivery of a let ter, you may be prepared to prove that you acted un der the authority of the party to whom the letter was addressed. His Lordship further directs that you must let it be distinctly understood by all concerned, that no letter withheld from the letter-carrier under these instruc tions can afterwards be delivered from the Post-office on , the Sunday, unless to such parties as possess a private pouch, and are paying for that accommodation. I am, Sir, your obedient servant, W. MABERLY, Secretary. To the Poitmaster of Derby. During the late storm one of the check-takers, named Holler, of the Haymarket Theatre, whilst standing at the boa entrance, was struck by lightning, and so dreadfully injured that medical aid was immediately called in, and he was subsequently carried to his residence, where he still remains in so serious a condition as to be unable to resume his situation. MYSTERIOUS' CASE OF POlSONlNG.—ln formation of a suicide was on Monday forwarded to Mr. Wakley, which at present remains involved in considerable mystery. It appears that on Thursday last a female, about 43 years of age, dressed in a black silk gown, and equally re spectably attired in other respects, was apprehended and taken to the police-station in Marylebone-lane about twelve o'clobk in the day, by police constable Noble, LA D, on a charge of being found drunk in Oxford-street. On Friday morning she was conducted to Marylebone-otEce, and was admonished and discharged by Mr. Hoskins, the Sitting Magistrate. She was afterwards seen in great distress of mind by a woman, named Jones, of No. 1, Park-lane, Edgware-road, who entered into a conversation witfi her. The deceased said that she should never be able to face her husband again, as she had served him in a similar bad manner before, and declared that she would go and drown herself. Mrs. Jones remonstrated with her on the folly and wickedness of such an act, and took her home and gave her some tea. She appeared to be in better spirits towards the evening, and laughed and joked at baying given the name of " Mary Baker" at the police station house, which sbe said was not her right name. She remained with Mrs. Jones during Friday night, and on Saturday morning, after partaking of a hearty break fest, the deceased parted with her for the purpose, as she stated, of returning home. Ie the course of about two hours she returned to Mrs. Jones's and swallowed a quantity o' prussic acid, which she had cbtazied in the interim. Mr. Lovegrove, surgeon, of Upper Baker-street, was sent fui and promptly attended, but all his efforts to restore he , were unavailing►, and she died very shortly after. In the pockets of the deceased were several pawnbrokers' dupli c Ites for pledges, of rings and articles of wearing apparel. The dodbments bore the names cf Baker, Ross, and Plum mer ; and notwithstanding Cotton, one of the beadles of Nlaeylebone, had been most diligent .in endeavouring to trace out who the deceased is, he had not up to last nigh! succeeded in doing so. From her appearance the prevail ing opinion seems to be that she is either a respectable tradesman's wife or a housekeeper in a gentleman's family. ROBBING AN ALLOTMENT.-Yesterday a. man named John Twynam, a railroad brickmaker's labourer. was examined before the Rev. C. A. St. John Mildmay. charged with steeling brocoli from an allotment adjoining the town field on Sunday last. In defence prisoner stated that a man, who was a shoemaker and wanted to measur, him fur a pair of shoes, told him he might gat sonic brocoli out of his garden—that he told the man he did not waid any, but that afterwards be thought he should like some and went and got them. The Magistrate observed that this was a most improbable story ; he should convict him of the offence, which he considered an aggravated one. as it was stealing from the poor man's garden that which was the produce of his industry, and which was necessaril) very much exposed to the depredation of men like the de fendant. .He hoped the punishment ho should award (three months' bard labour) would be a lesson to the prisoner, and a warning to others, .not to spend their Sunday as he bad done in robbing those who were as poor as himself.—Essex Herald . ~. RUN WITH STANFORD-LE- H OPE HAR- RlERS. —Saturday last was fixed upon for cloying the sea son with this pack, and the dawn of the morning bid fair, from the showers of the previous day, for an excellent run,. if the out-lying deer could be aroused from their sylvan re treat ; fur though the task may to some appear be yond the compass of harriers, all difficulties could be overcome by the veteran leader of the hunt. Piggotts Bushes and the whole of the large Dunton covers having been drawn, it was.determined to draw Dog Wood, at He• rongate, so celebrated for contributing varment to the late Thorndon pack. The approach to this cover was an nounced by a sui:en dash of the hounds, which caught the quick eye of their huntsman, who imme diately, upon a challenge from those gentlemen eat), - rieneed in the tactics of the field, responded in the usu 1 strain of harmony, and for the last time this season h 1 and valley rang with the music of the merry pack. Ti e deer went away in full view of hounds and horseme , , crossing the Dunton road for Bottle-down Hill ; the n headed to the right, back through the various covers : t Dunton and Piggotts Bushes, where the hounds divided, about half going away in the direction for Lord Petre's Park, but all seemed right with the others, they were on the line of the deer, and the huntsman, who here showed great tact, waited for the hounds that were at fault, got them together and lifted them on to a bend at East Horn don ; here every hound acknowledged the scent and dashed away at a pace truly severe. The deer stood for Dunton Hall, passing directly in front of Mr. Squiers', through the meadows, and on to the well-known sportsman's, Mr Wallis, to whose surprise the deer and hounds dashed through the large mote and garden, as though determined \ to remind the occupier there were still charms in the chase ; from hence they crossed the great fiel , is of Mr. Gott's of Bulphan, at a killing pace, and over this beauti ful open country to Mr. Lawrence's, of f-lorndon-on-the- Hill, where the hounds showed their staunch bottom and blood, and could this gallant little pack have shaken off their leader it would have been manifest " This day t h e stag must die." The deer, having taken the pastures for the hill, was run into in the open field and secured by the kind assistanc e of Mr. Lawrence and others, whose off'rs of hospitali t En,psh spirYit.gal proof o f th e i r r et a ining the right old __Essex .Herald. JOBBING PETER T illustration of the absurdityOof Postage is found in the fact that depart ments not privileged , coach and pay carriage t in to frank actually PAY PAUL —A curious the the prsent . high rates of send Government for them, in order t s o m a a vo ll l a a rce h ls by postage account ; although their payments for postage are es ely so many transfers from one G overnment pocket to an other. —Post Circular. with it, but his constituents bad expended a consider able sum of money in a line remaining nearly parallel HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mar 14. Ito the proposed one, and they asked naturally enough The SPEAKER took the C air at the usual hour. , that the present line should not be proceeded with until The Usher of the Black Rod app eared at the M . le, ' L it w as seen whether the public would not be fully served and summoned the House to the House of Lorde to , by that which w a s now i n progress. hear the Royal Assent given to several Bills (for which l Mr. M. PHILLIPS could not conceive bow it was see Lords' report). , es- 1 I possible for the people of Leicester to imagine that they could be injured by the present Bill. With respect to Mr. EASTHOPE presented a p etition from L id what had fallen from his Friend below bim relative to ter against the Manchester and Birmin g ham Extension I Railway Bill. the parties connected with this measure, he had only On the mo tion of Mr. Alderman COPELAND the to remind him of that which no man knew better than Stefferilshire Potteries (Police I m p rovement) B ill, and hi mself , that when the men of Manchester put their hands the_ Staffordshire Potteries (Stipendiary Justice of the to any contract for a railway, no men were more deter- Peace) Bill, were read a third time and passed. mined to carry out the work which they had begun. The Reports of the Committees on the following —(Hear, hear.) The Honourable Baronet who had Bills were brought up :—Rampton (Cambridge) In- opened the opposition to this Bill, had spoken very closure ; Barton (Cambridge) Inclosure ; Comberton closely to his brief, but he felt bound to say that that (Cambridge) Inclosure ; Bury, Haslingden, &c. Roads; brief had greatly exaggerated the case. The Hon. Ulitheroe, Blackburn, &c. Roads ; Mcrville and Shipton Member for Shropshire had spoken of the railway that Road ; St. Leonard's rind Sedlescomb Road ; Rugby was to connect the present with Manchester as a and Warwick Road ; Southmolton Roads; London railway in nubibus. Now he would take upon himself and Birmingham Railway ; Northern and Eastern Rail- to say that. it was no such thing, as it was, in fact, now way (No. 2) ; South-Eastern Railway; Herefordshire in progress, and, combined with the railway proposed by and Gloucestershire Canal ; Birmingham Canal ; Eye- the present Bill, it would effect a saving of upwards of mouth H irbour ; Camber (Portsmouth) Quays, .&c. ; 20 miles. Before he sat down he felt bound to observe Over Damen Gas. upon the very unfair opposition that had been made to The Edecifield and Little Bolton Road Bill was read a the present Bill. The expense to which this Railway Com second time. ' pany had been put in the investigation before the Conn- The Kingstead (Northamptonshire) Inclosure Bill mittee on the petition had amounted to the enormous sum was read t third time and passed. of 10,0001. When he stated that 30 miles would MANCHESTER AND BIRMINGHAM EX- be saved between Manchester and London in addition TENSION RAILWAY BILL. to the saving effected by the gradients, he trusted it was Sir E. WEL MOT presented too petitions, one from unnecessary for him to say more in support of the second Warwick, the other from Birmingham, against this Bill, reading of the Bill. Mr. BROTHERTON, presented a petition in its Lord SANDON said the saving, in fact, was favour. only 12 miles, and the question at issue was whether On the motion for the second reading of the Man- they would effect a saving of 12 miles in a cheater and Birmingham Extension Railway Bill (Stone distance of 200 at the expense of 1,200,0001. upon and Rugby), several Members crowded round the table the estimate. The dissentients upon the line were to present petitions on the subject. When they had fully oae-third. of the whole extent, and the county was resumed their places, almost purely agricultural. He conceived the House Sir E ARD LEY W ILMOT rose and said that he would be doing great injustice in trenching upon the opposed the second reading of this Bill with great comforts of so large a portion of the landowners, when reluctance, because be held that no Bill should be op- the prospect of advantage held out to the public was so posed on its second reading, and prevented from going small. But the true key to this movement was before a Committee, unless upon strong and important Manchester.—(Hear, hear.) It was the pride grounds. He was also reluctant, because there was no of Manchester to have a line to itself, and the prima facie case against this Bill in the first in- whole question was whether a saving in dis stance, but there were circumstances in the case which tance of twelve miles, and in time of half an hour, should induce the House to regard this as a pro- should be effected against the wishes of the landowners. position which, although apparently for the public This was a case in which the second reading ought to advantage was in reality injurious and unjust. The be opposed, for only two days ago the parties now en grounds of opposition to this Bill might be arranged gaged in forcing on the Bill were the parties who then under two heads, private and public ; with regard to - the opposed it. He was at a loss to know what during that character of the private grounds of opposition, it must time had effected so great a change in their opinions as to be known to the House that a Railway Company had warrant putting the parties to so enormous an expense. been established between Birmingham and London at Much blame had been thrown upon the opponents of a great expense, and therefore the House should pause thii Bill for the number of objections which had been before they sanctioned the construction of another taken to the Bill on the standing orders. That wa a railway, which would tend to interfere materially, most singular argument. The reason of the great num with the one already established, and in which capital ber of objections which had been taken, was the to such a large amount was invested. With re- number of errors which had beeri committed, owing gard to the public grounds of opposition to the to the Bill having been a rash and hastily got up second reading of this Bill, he had presented three petitions scheme. He (Lord Sandon) believed that the existing signed by upwards of 1,500 persons, which stated that line was quite sufficient, and that the dissent of the the only objeect of the Bill was to shorten the distance landowners on the proposed Extension Line was sufficient between Manchester and London 121 miles, making a ground for the opposition to the second reading of the saving in time in time of 15 minutes, which time would 7 3 ,iii . I be partially if not wholly lost by the necessity they would Mr. P. THOMSON said he should not detain the be under of stopping at Rugby. That three of the House but for a very few moments, as he felt it most important towns between Manchester and London, utterly impossible for him to add to the effect of namely, Walsall, Birmingham, and Coventry, the speech which had been made in favour of the would be missed by the proposed hoe which Bill, by the Right Hon. Bart. (Sir Robert Peel.) He would go through the towns of Lichfield, could not help, however, observing upon one remark of Tanaworth, and Rugby, towns of less importance ; the his Noble Friend (Lord Sandon), that the Bill was town of Birmingham, possessing a large population, supported for the advantage of Manchester.—(Lord would be seriously injured by this railway. There was Sandon, " No, the pride of Manchester.r)—lf he knew another public reason which the House would perhaps anything of his (Mr. P. Thomson's) constituents— consider of more importance than any which he had yet he was convinced that they would not spend urged : he held in his han d the Bill, which said, th fil e t i re Manchester,vme n e a e d y m i f t o th r i en admitting that tdptarhisedkeß.f—oi Bill wwLahasou whom be e pride.—(Laughter e t rh dide andhis advantageN o hear.) bl e " Whereas the railway from Bir min g ham to Manches- b ter, in the parish of Stone ;" the re was no such thing of as this Railway in existence. Last year a Bill had Friend (Lord Sandon) appear—for the Grand Junc tion ?—(Hear, hear.) The question, however, really passed that House for making suc h a Railwa y , but it was not yet completed ; indeed, it was scarcely begun, was, whether the opposition of rival railroads which and the present Railway was to go from this already existed was to be allowed to prevail, not against ideal Railway to Manchester. A similar case had occurred a few Sessions back, when a Bill the establishment of a railway, but against the considera tion of the Railway Bill in Committee. If the House was brought in for the Portsmout h Railwa y to join the rejected this Bill upon such grounds, it might as well Southampton. The Southampton Railway was not at once pass 'a resolution establishing a positive mono then completed, and on that ground the House rejected poly for every railroad now in the country.—(Hear, the Bill. He could see no ground why the hear.) It was difficult to meet the exactions of rail whole trade of Manchester and London should roads ;of course the Railway Companies, following the be taken from Birmingham, . which would be principle of self-interest, would endeavour to make as seriously injured by this Bill. This, and the cir- large profits -as possible, and the public mat put cumstance of the Stone Junction Railway not being up with it ; at least the only way to prevent it was by completed, constituted, be thought, a prima facie case securing general competition.—(Hear, hear.) The against this Bill, and he should move that it be second town in the empire—Manchester sought read a second time that day six months. an easier communication with the metropolis— Mr. 0. GORE had also a strong objection to oppos- the Standing Orders had been complied with, in a Bill on the second reading, but h e believed there notwithstanding most unfair opposition.—Hear, hear.) were were strong grounds for opposing it. It was a p arallel The landowners on this line were as much in favour . 2f railway, and however gentlemen might approve of great the railroad, as the landowners on any other line had lines of railway running like arteries through the coon- ever been ; and he should be much grieved, if this Bill try, yet if the present system were allowed, the country were not allowed to go before a Committee. would . be cut. up in every direction, and the country gen- Mr. BROTHERTON said that when they consi tlemen would be obliged to give up their residences al- dered the immense population of Manchester, he did together in consequence of making the country com- not think it was too much pletely an iron-fare instead of green fields and plants - for them' to ask to be permitted to have a road thirty miles nearer the metropolis than tions.—(Hear, and a laugh.) It was stated that they had at present. Another reason for the House !he saving between London and Manchester would acceding to the present Bill was, that in the event of be thirty miles, but the Bill that had been already any accident occurring on one line of Railway, it was passed, included 18 miles of that saving, and of that of the greatest importance, that there should be another there were only five miles made, although the Bill was line of Railroad open, in order to keep open the com passed in 1837. What guarantee had they that the munication —(Cries of " Divide, divide.") present line would ever be completed ? He held in his An HON. MEMBER rose to correct a slight mistake hand a letter from a Mr. Norbury, received that morn which had occurred in the course of the debate. It mg, who stated that he had been refused adequate had been stated that it passed through a purely agri compensation, that his ease was a very hard one, and if cultural district, whereas it passed through Tamwortb, he (Mr. 0. Gore) was of the same opinion, requestine. c: the Potteries, and several other large towns. him to oppose the Bill. He would cordially second the motion of his Hon. Friend. . Lord INGESTRIE thought it his duty to explain EEL rejoiced very much at the his reasons for the course he intended to pursue. Indi 'Sir ROBERT P large attendance of that evening, because he presumed vidually he was of opinion that a case for the Bill b a d not been made out, inasmuch as there existed alrea d y there must be a considerable number of impartial mem- hers who would give their votes uninfluenced by any a communication between Manchester and London , i n which capital had been invested to a large amount , and of the Bill. He should ask the House whe ther it was time sufficient had not elapsed for the repayment of that o ossible to reject a Bill upon the second reading , upon capital. This was a public reason, but he had also in such arguments as they had just beard. — (Hear , hear.) dividual reasons—(A laugh)—with which he would not now trouble the House. But understanding that Why, his Hon. Friend had been obliged to find a new derivation of the word " Monopoly," to support his his constituents—many of them—took an interest in this Bill, he f , lt he should be guilty of disre wgument, contending that the more railways were spect toiyards. them if he did not let this Bill go before multiplied, the more the monopoly would be increased. ['he Hon. Gentleman contended that there was only a Committee in order to have its merits investigatenved. i saving of fifteen minutes in point of time, Mr. BIS H rose amid loud cries of " hich ented the commencement of his address from being tnd thirteen and a half miles in point of distance.rey heard; we understood him to say that with regard to Why, the House bad never understood that the ordi- what had been called an ideal l i ne , a g reat p ortion of nary rate of travelling on thes e railroads was 52 miles that line had already been made. in hour—( Hear, bear) —and the Hon. Gentleman was Sir EARDLEY WILMOT complained of the obliged to ccnie down a few minutes afterwards to half . s t r ong expression made use of by the Honourable an hour. He did not think the House would be ells- Member for Manchester; stigmatizing those who posed to reject it, because Mr. Norbury thought he had had made objections to this Bill in the name of the :lot obtained adequate compe nsation, for he could ap- The subject if the Company refused it to h peal to a Jury, him. landowners on the line as guilty of fraud. was under investigation of a Committee up stairs, and he considered it hard to hear a gentleman for whom he., What was the Bill they were called u p on to reject ? A Bill to make a railroad be tween the largest and had a friendship stigmatized as having been guilty of third largest towns in Europe.—(Hear, hear.) He fraud, when it was well known that the Standing Order s `,ad been curious to ascertain the p o p ulation of the largest towns, and he had found that the population of allowed any one to make objections in this manner. Mr. MARK PHILLIPS explained. Manchester and Sa'ford was 340,000 ; the.population of the metropolis was 1,700,000 ;of Paris, 1,200,000 ; L ord FRANCIS EGERTON said, that although of Vienna, 270,000 ; of Constantinople Proper, in accordance with the desire of a ,large portion of his 300,000. The proposal was to make a Rail- c onstituents, he had moved the second reading of this Bill, all the arguments in its favour had not way between London and Manchester, between the largest and the third largest towns in Eu- been monopolized by himself.—(Hear, hear.) With r o p e , an d to shorten the distance twent y miles. regard to the he would state that the railroad to Stone, most material contracts had been completed, and he The line proposed by the Bill would shorten the dis- that entleman who had attended to the tance thirteen miles in length a nd seven miles in radius, thought every g and surely the House of Commons would not put an Committee on that Bill could entertain a good reason for end to a_work of such a nature. Every species of op- supposing that that railroad would speedily be completed. position had been given to the Bill—even Abingdon His Noble Friend near him had described the feelings of and Stamford had petitioned against the Bill, because, the people of Manchester, in endeavouring to form the forsooth, at some future time a railroad might be made present line of Railway, to be those of ostentation. Now, which might pass through those towns.—(A. laugh.) for his own pert, he thought if there was any town that The Company were respectable—the money was all was not entitled to such an appellation it was Manehes subscribed it would shorten the distance 20 miles. ter. With respect to the details of the measure, there Th. n 1 ook at the assents upon the line. It was were some disputes, such as to the number of miles that in length 54 miles, and the proprietors of lands the proposed railroad would seve, but a Committee ;34 miles in length, had assented—the neutrals, was the proper power to decide between the st a t e _ aid those who had not sent in any answer, held 5i ments of parties as to those details. He trusted miles ; the dissents -amounted to 17 miles, but nege- therefore that the House would permit the Bill to be i;iations were still going on, and in ten or twelve days he read a second time. had no doubt they would be reduced to 7or 8 miles. Mr. E. BULLER having presented petitions both Birmingham objected to the Bill. Now, that be con- for and against the Bill, was anxious to say a few sidered was the most indecent opposition that had ever words as to the reason that induced him to support the been offered in that House.—(Cheers.) Birmingham, second reading of the Bill. He firmly believed that if which by means of its great railroad, had ruined every the Bill for this Extension Line was not passed, the town on the roadovished still to monopolize the whole line from Stone would be perfectly useless, in . of the the trade from Scotland, Ireland, Liverpool, and quence of the inconvenience that would take place . from North Wales. The Birmingham Railway Company the continued necessity ibr changing from one railroad petitioned against the Bill—a Company whose shares to another. At the present moment the c ange were that day in the market at 1651. No doubt they at Birmingham occupied nearly an hour, and the could not be all sold at that price, but supposing result was that the greatest i n convenience took place. them to be sold they would give the proprietors a If this line should be granted, there would d only be one clear profit of 3,000,851/.. The House of Commons cliange, and he was convinced there not e on i ly be would never refuse their assent to a Bill of that nature, a saving in the distance, butlso an hour in t . i . change even upon grounds of public policy. Birmingham had from is one railwa to another•_(Cries of " Divide ) ruined Lichfield, and now it wished to ruin it further, lr. AGLIONBY, Y amidst loud cries of " Divide," because it being in the main line from London to Man- said that no blame was attributable to the opponents of ehester they would refuse it its natural much privileges. y the Bill, for the they were compeerslled of the to do H as they had No man would suffer individually so b done under dine Ord ouse. the railway a s himself, but he was certain The gallery was then cleared for a division, when the that the Bill must pass—then why not pass i t numbers were— -139 ,tow, and allow landlords t o make arrange - For the second reading A ments with their tenants, and not keep the m in a con- gainst it 91 Majority in favour of the Bill .....• --48 slant state of suspense. Mr. EASTHOPE said he did not see why the The Bill was then read a second ti me, and ordered to House might not now do as it had done before—throw be committed. out the Bill ; an d h e cou ld give a case in point. The On the motion of Mr. S. LEFEVRE the Bas.i.ng railroad f rom M an ch e ster to Birmingham, if ye t stoke Roads Bill was read a third time and Leedspiassed even comm ence d, h a d p rog ressed very little ; yet On the motion of Mr. LASCELLES tle the present Bill pr o p ose d that the intended rail - and Harewoo d Road Bill was read a second time and road should have its terminus in that line, so ordered to be committed. that the terminus was proposed to be in a railroad On the motion of Mr. HARLAND the West Dur not yet commenced. The London and Southern?. ham Railway Bill was read a third time and pa ort of ssed. ton Railroad had progressed to eery greet d egree when On the motion for further considering the rep they applied to have a bran c h line to Portsmouth, the Committee on the Birmingham Canal Bill, , yet it was held to be a Parliamentary ground Me GODSON presented a petition a gainst a clause of objection that the line was not fully completed in the Bill, relative to the toll on coke, stating that the between Winchester and Southampton. He was petitioners had been taken by surprise, by the introduc totally unconnected with the line or any connected i tion of several clauses at the time the Committee were , ----,—. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNRSDAY, MAY 15 about concluding their labours. He therefore moved that the Bill be re-committed. Mr. T. ATT WOO D seconded the amendment. Sir E. WILMOT said the Hon. Member for Kidder minster was rather mistaken, for on the last day the clauses were taken as by the consent of all parties, and he did not tl,ink a case had been made out to show that the parties bad been taken by surprise. Lord INGESTRIE said that although Counsel ap peared in this case, it was on quite a different point, and the question of tolls was not mooted. lle therefore thought the patties ought to be heard by counsel. Mr. WARBURTON said that the clauses were s cad amtUbly in the t resence of Counsel, and every op portunity had been afforded for objecting to them. Mr. BARNEBY saw no reason for the recommital of the Bill, for the parties interested in it had con ferred together on the subject during the sitting of the Committee. After a few words from Mr. Clive, Mr. Wolverley Attwood, and Sir R. Inglis, The SPEAKER said the question for the considera tion of the House was whether notice had been given that any alteration was intended to be made in the tolls ; for whether they were raised or reduced, it was necessary that notice should be given, as there were parties interested in either case.—(Hear.) After some further discussion, the Bill was ordered to be re-committed. LONDON AND BIRMINGHAM RAILWAY BILL. On the motion for the further consideration of the Report on this Bill, An Hon. MEMBER moved to expunge the clause which empowers the Company to raise a million of money by the creation of new shares, as it would have the effect of creating jobbing in the market, and produce great fluctuations in the price of shares. Mr. FINCH said the clause had been inserted by the Committee, after mature deliberation. Mr. WILLIAMS said the evidence on this Bill had been delivered only this morning, and he therefore suggested the propriety of postponing the present dis cussion. Sir J. GRAHAM considered that an adjournment would be productive of great inconvenience. Mr. P. THOMSON, in the present state of the House, requested the Hon. Member (Mr. Finch) not to press the matter -to a division. He thought it would be more advisable to make a general regulation on the subject. Mr. FINCH supported the clause, but would leave the matter in the hands of the House. _ Sir J. GRAHAM said he thought the proposition, if just, should have been made a general rule as to all Companies, and, as applied to this particular Company, was very unfair. Mr. WILLIAMS said the Committee had proposed that if the Company should pay up the 750,000/. they had borrowed in anticipation of calls, they might raise the million either by borrowing or new shares. But to this the Company had objected. If the Bill passed, the Company would have shares in the market to the amount of four millions. More than half the 750,0001. had been borrowed from the proprietors themselves ; therefore it could not be difficult for them to pay it off. But no : the Company would raise the money in their own way. Mr. T. ATTWOOD did not think it was a good principle to allow a public company to borrow money until all the money subscribed was paid up. He would support the motion of the Hon. Baronet opposite. After a few words from Lord INGESTRIE, Mr. FINCH said he would not divide, and the clause was agreed to. On clause 11 being proposed, Sir JAMES GRAHAM proposed to insert words allowing goods to have a preference under special cir cumstances. Mr. FINCH said he could not give up the words. The Committee had deeply considered the peculiar case, and it was proved before them that a great preference had been given to Pickford and Co., of Which House the superintendent of the Railway was a principal member. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House divided ; but forty Members not being present, the House stood adjourned. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 14. ROYAL ASSENTS. 1 The Royal Assent was given, to Exchequer Bills (13,000,0001.) Bill, Ecclesiastical Appointments Sus pension Bill, Aberbrothwick Harbour Bill, Cambridge Gaol Bill, Bury (Lancaster) Market Bill, Rhymney Iron Company Bill, Timberland Drainage Bill, Leeds Soke Corn Toll Bill, General Cemetery Company Bill, Newark Gas Bill, Holmfirth Gas Bill, Redruth and Hayle Roads Bill, Northampton Road Bill, New Cross Turnpike Roads Bill, Worksop and Kelham Road Bill, Tetbury Vicarage Bill, Chirk (Denbigh) Inclosure Bill, Moulton (Suffolk) Inclosure Bill, Oxenbourn and Ramsdean Inclosure Bill, Stow cum Quy (Cambridge) Inclosure Bill, Frethern and Saul (Gloucester) Incin sure Bill, Melbourn (Cambridge) Inclosure Bill, Reuss's Naturalization Bill, Antunano's Naturalization Bill, Biber's Naturalization Bill. The Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor, Viscount Duncannon, and the Elrl of Shaftesbury. The House having adjourned during pleasure, the LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat again on the Wool sack at Five o'Clock. Lord RAYLEIG H presented petitions from two plat, s in the county of Essex, in favour of Rowland Hai's plan of postage. Lord CAWDOR presented petitions to the same effect. Lord H ADDINGTON presented two petitions from wards in Edinburgh, praying for an extension of Church Endowments. The Marquis of ANGLESEA. presented a petition from the Board of Guardians of the Anglesea Union, praying for an amendment to be made in the New Poor law Amendment Act. Lard ASHBURTON presented a great number of Petitions, praying for the adoption of a penny postage. BREACH OF PRIVILEGE. Lord W HARNCLIFFE rose to call the attention of their Lordships to something in the nature of a breach of privilege ; if it were not actually a breach of privilege, it was an exceedingly improper interference on the part of the Press with respect to the proceed ings of a Committee of their Lordship' House. Last night he found in the Standard a quotation from the Dublin Evening Mail, he a d e d " Committee of the House of Lords—lrish Inquiry." Here the Noble Lord read the paragraph, as follows : " One is really disposed to ask the question--was Lord Normanby, or is Captain Drummond, a Ribbontnan ? Had they been sworn of the rebellious brotherhood, or anxious for the promotion of the hellish schemes which banded these traitorous men in a bloody conspiracy, they could not have been apparently more sedulous to promote their objects, or more anxious to preserve their secrets than they have been. We speak not of the general and sweeping denial of the existence of any such confederacy as that stated to be in mischievous operation. False and foolish as such a denial was, it wanted the circumstantiality neces sary to fasten the positive participation of the parties in those atrocities to which life and property have been sacri. ticed in Ireland ; but the truth is out, and what ulterior measures the Committee may recommend, or the House of Lords adopt, must be matter of consideration. " This Committee, which, by the way, is indefatigable in its labours, sat on Wednesday from one o'clock until five. Mr. Despard, a police magistrate, was under exam. ination the entire day, and his evidence respecting the Ribbon conspiracy was truly important. He had been di rected to bring with him all the documents connected with the subject; but not having done so, he was ques tioned as to the reason, when he admitted that he called on Mr. Drummond on his way through Dublin. AND WAS DIRECTED BY THAT PERSON TO WITHHOLD THE DOCU- MEN TS. " Now, the question is , will the Lords submit to th is in • dignity ? Will they tolerate this gross violation of t heir privileges? Will they commit the culprit to Newg ate or treat hi s i n solence with con t e m p t ? Will they beconf tent to leave the carrion, and fly at the higher quarry ", Our firm b e li e f is, that nothing s hort of an im p eachment' of Lord Normanby will satisfy the ends of justice, and of its issue no one who is acquainted with the evidence can entertain a doubt." The effect of the paragraph undoubtedly was to charge upon the Noble Ma r q uis opposite, and upon Mr. Drummond, an attempt to keep back documents from the Committee for the purpose of preventing the truth coming out. That was the whole tenour of the insertion. Now, he could state as suredly to the House, that that was contrary to the facts-Hear)—and that there h ad been no wish, eithe r on the part of Mr. Drummond, the Noble Marqui s , or any b o d y e l se , to keep ba ck any one docu ment.—(Hear, hear.) The facts were these, that a letter b a d b een wr i tten t o Mr. Despard, requesting his attendance before the Committee. On his way here he called on Mr. Drummond in Dublin, and asked him If he c ou ld pro d uce certain documents, which Mr. s rurcnnond said he could not d 9 wi thout a summons fro m the Committee. When the parties were examined to a certain extent here, they said they could go no further without the production of the documents, The Committee took time to consider the question. In the meantime a private communication was made to Lord Morri,th, wh o immediately directed that all the docu ments should be produced. This was such an im pri,p,T and so direct a charge on the characters of the Marquis of Normanby and Mr. Drummond, that the Committee had directed him to bring it before the House. The Marquis of NORMANDY said he was not aware that the Noble Lord meant to bring this forward, and nothing could be more fair tha n th e manner in which he had done it. Objecting, as he (the Noble Marquis) did, to the appointment of that Com m itt e e, objecting still further to its constitu tion, and conceiving that he might have occasion here after to obje c t t o its proceeding i, he felt it to be quite consistent with the line of conduct he had originally t a k en of declari ng h e would take no p art in. its proceedin g s, as there had been a sort of impresqon created that evidence exi s t e d to prove a prima facie case of a general Ribbon conspiracy in Ireland. He felt it to be quite consistent to entreat his Noble Friend, and through him 1 AAP the Committee, to send for every document in the possession of th Irish ev , ry officer, however closely connected with that Government, that they might examine them, and thereby the more tho roughly sift into the truth of the assertion, convinced as he was that it would be found that every effort had been made by that Government to trace to the utmost the existence of such a conspiracy when any intimation of any such thing had ever reached the Government. He would say just one word in explanation of the mis .ftatement which had been made with respect to his oh ,t2rvaticns on a former occasion. He had not given a general denial of any conspiracy, but he had denied that there was any general conspiracy in the country. Lord RODEN said that he had written to these gentlemen in Dublin, and had desired them, if they came before the Committee, to brit - 1g these papers with them, otherwise it would be impossible to put the country in possession of the entire facts of the case with retard to the Ribbon conspiracy. These officers took that letter to Mr. Drummond, and the Noble Lord had; desired him not to produce the papers to the Committee. He hoped ere long the Committee would be able to make a report to the House The Duke of RICHMOND conceived that Mr. Drummond would have ill performed his. duty, if he had permitted those papers to be laid upon the table of the Committee. Some of them related to trials which were then pendin, and they could, not be produced to any Committee of their Lordships without the utmost danger. He could not give any opinion as to when the Committee would report, or as to what that report might be, but tnis he would say, that he had seldom seen any Committee more numerously attended. After a few words from the Marquis of WEsTmEATH and the Marquis of NORMANBY in explanation, the conversation dropped. Petitions in favour of a uniform system of penny postage were presented by Lord Galway, the M .rquis of Tavistock, Earl Fitzwilliam, and other Noble Lo ds. Lord GLENELG presented a petition from a place in Scotland, praying for Church Extension in Scotland. The Bishops' Residences Bill was read a third time and passed. MINISTERIAL EXPLANATION. Viscount MELBOURNE sail he believed he owed their Lordships some excuse . or apology for the silence he had maintained on a former occasion. He felt that he had to throw himself upon the consider ation of their Lordships for having, after the announce ment he made on Tuesday last of his having tendered to her Majesty his resignation, and of her Majesty having accepted the same, and of her Majesty having been graciously pleased to request himself and his colleagues to retain their offices until her Majesty had made such arrangements as might be necessary for the appointment of their successors — he repeated, he felt he owed some apology to their Lordships for having appeared one single night as a Minister of the Crown upon that Bench, without at the same time seizing that opportunity of explaining what had taken place, and the grounds upon which he had departed from his previous intention. But it appeared to him not unnatural that these negociations having been conducted by others, and he necessarily being ignorant of them, that they being known only to two persons, one of whom, as had been well expressed, alone was in Parliament—he re peated it was not unnatural to expect that those engaged in these negociations,orsome persons on their part, should have explained those parts of the transactions of which they were witnesses. He (Viscount Melbourne) had some expectation that such a course would have been pur sued in that House. He was almost certain, from the communications which had taken place, that it would be pursued, as it had been in another place, and he thought it would tend to the calm, the deliberate, the c omprehensive, and dispassionate consideration of the suhject,.that the statement of those parts of the con versation that had taken place should be made by those who were conversant with them, and that then, from the statements and documents produced, it would be seen how far it might be necessary for him to make a supplementary statement, or pro duce any other document, or consider whatever was necessary to be done in order to place the matter before their Lordships' House in the fullest, and in the most satisfactory manner. These were the reasons which had induced him to delay any explanation upon a former occasion, and for so doing lie then begged their Lordships' pardon. The permis sion given by her Majesty to Sir R.-Peel and the Duke of Wellington to lay the whole of the proceedings before either House, relieved them from the obligation of the oaths they had taken as Privy Couecillors, and it was in their power to make those explanations when and how they pleased. He would then proceed very succinctly to state the part he had borne in the proceedings. On Tuesday morning, the House of Commons came to the vote on the Jamaica Bill, which induced him and his colleagues to tender their resigna tion to her Majesty, and at the meeting of the House on that day he had declared the , fuct.to their Lordships. On the Wednesday the Duke of Wellington was sent for, and waited upon her Majesty, and afterwards Sir Robert Peel had several interviews. On the Thursday evening he was again summoned to attend her Ma jesty, and on being admitted into the presence of the Sovereign, her Majesty said the negociations with Sir R. Peel were, in flact, closed and terminated. Her Majesty stated that Sir R. Peel had had two audiences —that the Right Hon. Baronet had had an audience that. morning—that the principal arrangements had been made, but that towards the close of the audierice, Sir Robert Peel propo,ed to her Majesty that he should have power to dismiss the Ladies of .the Bedchamber —not stating how many or whom it was his inten tion to remove, but asking generally for the power of removing the Ladies of the Household. It cer tainly was asked for in such a manner as to leave a strong impression upon the mind of her Ma jesty, that it was intended to employ that power to a very great extent, that at all events it was in tended to remove all the Ladies of the Bedchamber, as well as some of those Ladies filling inferior situations. (Here there were several expressions of dissent from the Opposition.) Most undoubtedly such was the im pression upon her Majesty's mind, though perhaps it %vas not the intention of Sir Robert Peel.—( Hear, hear.) Her Majesty stated that she considered the negotiation to be at an end, and said she would send him a final answer. Meanwhile she again had recourse to his (Lord Melbourne's) advice as to the manner in which she should communicate her deter mination to Sir Robert Peel. The question was, of course, too grave for him to decide alone, so he sum moned his colleagues, and having laid before them the whole case, it was their opinion that it was not advisable, that it was not fit ting, that it was not proper that either by her Majesty's present Ministers, or by any future Cabinets, that the Ladies of her Majesty's Household should be subject to the changes of political movements. —(Cheers.) And her Majesty in accordance with this advice wrote the following answer to Sir Robert Peel :—" Buckingham Palace, May 10th.—The Queen basing considered the proposal made to her by Sir Robert Peel to remove the Ladies of the Bed chamber, cannot consent to a course which she conceives to he contrary to usage, and which is repugnant to her feelinge''—and to this answer the Right Hon. Ba ronet in the course of two or three hours replied.— [The Noble Viscount here read'Sir Robert Peel's reply to her Majesty's note, for which see The Sun of yesterday.] He (Lord M.) was bound to say, that he agreed in time principle laid down by her Majesty, and that he considered it was not advisable to agree to the proposal of Sir Robert Peel ; and with his colleagues he had come to the resolution to support her Majesty in her determination.—( Cheers.) In coming to that de termination, he knew that all his colleagues, and him self more pat titularly, would expose themselves to every kind of insinuation and obloquy—that they would be charged with intrigue—with having preconcerted the objection with a view of rendering abortive the attempt to form another Administration. Such charges, he was aware, had not been made in either House of Parlia ment—but they had been made in quarters which had considerable weight and influence—and they could not remain unnoticed or uncontradicted ; hut he also knew the unfortunate situation in which any person stood who had nothing to oppose to such charges but his bare assertion. He would freely admit to their Lordships that on the following Wednesday he thought it his duty to her Majesty to tender to her such advice as the unprece dented situation in which she was placed required, but he would assure their Lordships, without using asseve ration, or protestation, for he considered the use of them would induce their Lordships to doubt perhaps the truth of the statement—but without asseveration or protes tation he would state most distinctly and decidedly that he did not give her Majesty any advice with respect to the Ladies of her Household. On that subject he did not give her Majesty any advice whatever, be cause he did not expect, he did not anticipate, nor could he for a moment have conceived that the proposition which had been made to her Majesty would have been brought forward.—(Great cheering from the Ministerial side of the House.) He had not anticipated such a course, and therefore he had given no advice to her Majesty upon the subject, indeed, he had never mentioned the subject to her Majesty.— There were many reasons in his opinion why the pro position should not have been made to her Majesty ; he would say nothing of the policy or expediency of the proposition. It was not for him to instruct such persons as the Noble Duke opposite, the Right Hon. Baronet, and those who acted ssith them, who had much greater experience than himself in the practical conduct of affairs in the Royal House hold ; he had had however some experience on these subjects in the late reign, and he could assure their Lordships that these personal matters—these strokes of force, gave a tone and a character to the con nexion between the Sovereign and his Minister which never produced any good ; but on the con trary, ended in alienation and feelings of irritation. He did not deny there were difficultiesand inconveniences on the part of the Noble Lords opposite, but the House I might depend upon it, that however exaggerated those difficulties might be, they were nothing as compared with the inconveniences felt by the sort of force .adopted on the present occasion. He hoped, however, there would be no argument on this occasion raised to pro duce any angry feeling, and he should abstain from going further into the matter, reserving to himself the privilege of making a reply to any observations that might be offtire , l requiring a reply, should any such be made. There were many accusations afloat just now of a general and yet most unusual cha racter, to which he was most exceedingly callous. There were some accusations on the contrary, which he was inclined to feel most severely. He was very indif ferent as to all those gymnastic accusations of a desire to keep place from a wish for gain, from feelings of avaric,., from feelings of ambition, he dill not deny them at all—he did not deny parts of any of them—( Hear, hear, and laughter)—he cared but very little about any of them ; but he should indeed be exceedingly sorry if he could be accused of running away from his post on ac count of the difficulties or dangers of the state of the country, or of abandoning any party in the county by whom he had been maintained and supported.—(Much cheering.) He had a very strong feeling on that, and he should be very sorry indeed if that reproach could, with any show of justice, be cast upon him. In 1835 he had declared upon occasions when he had oppor tunities of addressing large bodies of his fellow-subjects, that it was the disunion of the other party that had overthrown it, and that nothing but a complete union could support the party in favour of the views he advocated. He had now thought that union was broken up, he thought there was such a disunion among his sup porters as made it impos&ble for him to think he could conduct the affairs of the Govern ment, and carry through the measures that were ne cessary for that purpose with a hope of success. He resigned his office, therefore, he would not harshly say because he was abandoned by those who had supported him, but because there had arisen among his sup . _ _ , . porters that difference of opinion which led him to suppose lie could no longer, with advantage, con duct the affairs of the nation, and he rfow did that which was equivalent to resuming his office, solely be cause he would not abandon his Sovereign—(Much cheering)—in a situation of difficulty and distress, when that was demanded of her which could not but be de nied, and which demand,' to have been complied with, would have been inconsistent with her Majesty's per sonal comfort, her personal honour, and which, if agreed to, would have rendered her whole domestic life subject to Continual change, unhappiness, and distress. —(Much cheering.) The Duke of WELLINGTON who spoke in a very low tone of voice, so as to be at times utterly in audible, said he should imitate the moderation that had eine aeterized part of what the Noble Viscount had said. In doing so he should adopt a course most becoming his own situation, most suitable to the sub ject he had to discuss, and most agreeable to their Lord ships' feelings. In order that he ~might sustain that tone of moderation with which he had commenced, he would take the liberty of laying out of the question altogether those reports which the Noble Viscount had referred to, because he thought they had nothing to do with the subject.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Probably, if he were to enter upon a discussion of those reports, he should likewise have a little to say upon them ; and in referring to them he might be in duced, as the Noble Viscount had been, to de part a little from the tone of moderation. which it was his firm intention to ad here to throughout what he had to address to their Lordships. He must however say, that he had one advantage over the Noble Viscount in this respect. He had served the sovereigns of this country for 50 years, and through the whole of that period, he bad been exposed to evil and good report, and he had still continued to serve, whether the report was good or evil ; and he confessed himself to be very indifferent as to the nature of those reports. But, to be sure, it did surprise him to find in the reports of the last few days, that Ise was accused of having ill-treated his Sovereign, when he was about to take upon himself to enter into her service—to be responsible for the conduct of her Government ; and for no one reason that he knew of excepting to undertake the trouble and responsibility of bearing his share in the affairs of that Government.—(Cheers.) Something however appeared to him to be necessary to be said about certain reports which had been in circu lation. The Noble Lord had commenced his address by stating that he had expected that he (the Duke of Wellington) would have commenced ; he felt much obliged to the Noble Lord for offering him the prece dence on this occasion, but he held there was no oc casion for him to do so, and he should not have thought it necessary to trouble their Lordships this day unless he had been called upon to do so. He had heard that a full, distinct, and satisfac tory explanation had been given by a Right Hon. Friend in another place, but he thought that their Lordships had a right to demand an explanation. He thought that a Member of their Lordship's House should ex plain to their Lordships' every thing that had passed on this subject, more particularly 'when called upon by a Noble Lord to do so. It was perfectly well known that he had long ago entertained an opinion that the Minister of this country, under existing circumstances, should sit in the other House of Parliament ; it would be a great advantage in carrying on the service of the country, that he should sit in the other House, of Parliament, and it was well knotvn that when, on a former occasion, he had been called on to give his ad vice to his Sovereign, he had advised that a Member of the other House of Parliament should be called on to undertake the charge of the Government. When the Noble Lord had announced, on Tuesday last, in the House, that he had resigned office, the probability oc curred to his (the Duke of Wellington's) mind, that he might be called upon to tender his advice, and conse quently he had turned his attention to the subject ; with regard to the composition of the Administration, and with regard to the composition of the Royal Household, all these circumstances had come under his consideration in case he should be called upon to offer his advice ; and he would confess that he thought it absolutely im possible that any set of men could take upon them selves the offices of her Majesty's Government without having the usual influence and control over the establishment of the Royal Household. It appeared to him to be especially necessary that such controul should be given, when he considered how the Household had been constituted by their predecessors in office, in order that the country might feel that the Go vernment which had just been constituted possessed to the fullest extent the confidence of her Majesty. He had considered the nature of the formation of the Household in the Civil List Act, passed in her present Majesty's reign. He had considered well the difference between the Housm hold of a Queen Consort and a Queen regnant, lie considered that the Household of a Queen reg nant ought to be composed of political persons, in the same way as the offs tes of the State were filled, and be did not wish to interfere, in the slightest degree, with the tight of her Majesty to make these appointments. —(Hear, hear, hear.) He felt the serious and anxious task which the Minister, in the possession of that controul and influence, would have laid upon him. He was sensible that in every movement and every step he should take in respect to that Household he should consult not only the honour of her Majesty and of her Crown and her Royal estate and dignity, but also her personal ease and convenience and comfort, and everything that would conduce to the happines; of her life. He considered those conditions to be most par ticularly incumbent upon a Minister who would take charge of the conduct of the affairs of that country at the present moment, when he took into account the com parative youth and inexperience of the Sovereign on the throne ; and he must s.y that if he had been the per son to be consulted upon the the exercise of time influence and control in question, he should suffer any inconvenience whatever, rather than take any steps which might interfere with the wishes or domestic comforts of her Majesty. That was his opinion, and he beg g ed their Lordships t o consider the whole of the case, and say, that entertain ing these opinions could he have acted otherwise? There was one more subject, the possibility of making any con ditions or stipulations with respect to the exercise of such influence and control. It appeared to him that the persons about to undertake the charge of the conduct of the affairs of this country, if' they did not make such stipulations and conditions, I would do neither more nor less than this—that they would not perform their duty.—(Cheers.) He would not perform , his duty if he did not give such ad vice to the Crown as he thought was for its advantage. If he took office without such conditions, he would take it merely for the sake of office. He did not think it possible that a Sovereign should impose any such condi tions upon any Minister, for it would appear that her Majesty had no confidence—that the Minister was un worthy her confidence, the Sovereign would be placed in a very disagreeable situation—such a situation as he hoped he would never see the Throne placed in. He could not state what passed between himself and her Majesty—he had not thought it necessary to ask her Majesty's permission to state what had passed—but he could say thus much, that nothing had been uttered at all inconsistent with the facts or the principles which he had laid down. He had stated that he was perfectly willing to serve her Majesty in office or out of office ; that he preferred to serve her Majesty out of office ; but that be was willing to undertake to conduct the Government in their Lord ships' House out of office, or that if her Majesty's Ministers thought it would be better—to un dertake any office—(Hear) —in short, that he would pursue any course which was most convenient for her Majesty and her Government.—(Hear, hear.) After the interview with Sir R. Peel, the Right Honourable Baronet had proposed to send for him (the Duke), and had come to his house to inform him of what had passed ; upon which he (the Duke) had waited upon her Majesty. What passed h e cou ld nor state—not having asked for her Majesty's permis • won. All that he could say was, dhat nothi ng t oo k place inconsistent with that which he had stated as to the Administration and the control of the Government. His "night lion. Vriencl, had ;tat::.d in his letter most EVENINrr E f}ITIO correctly that part of the conversation which related to the determination and deei , ion that her Nl , jesfY hi d i Come to, but the Noble Viscount opposite has stated that be gave he: M jesty advice upon statement which the N,itile Viscount nchnitted was erroneous. He did not. draw any cons!lusion from that, except that he tl.ouglv it the duty of every :o escertain beVr .. they nave their advice, the cor rectness of the statement on which that advice was given. He would admit, whether the statement was erroneous or not, that the Noble Viscount had a perfect right to act upon the principle that the advice which he (the Duke of Wel lington) and Sir Robert Peel had given was erroneous. —( Hear, hear.) With respect to thJ principle upon which they had proposed to act, he could not, hat think before a Queen regnant the principle was correct. Although be would admit it to be true that the Queen had no political conversation with the Ladies about her, he thought it would be extremely difficult to convince the public that sueh political conversations did not take place, and that political influence was the result. Their Lordships must recollect who the persons were that were to have that conversation. For his own ,part he thought that there were numberless instinces where improper in fluence had been exercised by females .t Court, and where it had been extremely prejudicial to the office which the Noble ViScount opposite now filled. He must say that he had heard of the anomalous influence in many instances of females at Court. Anoma lous influence of that description had been the subje ct of discussion before, and he was leaned to think t he Noble Viscount was at the present moment su ffering some inconvenience from the exercise of that very in fluence. If he (the Duke of Wellington) had gone a little further in opposing that influence than might suit the taste of the Noble Viscount, he could not Op it ; but this he would say, that at the same time he would have put his right hand in the fire sooner than Lave proposed to her Majesty to make any arrangement which could appear to him to be repugnant to her feelings, in order to enable him to undertake his share in the Government of the country. He believed be had one through nearly the whOle of the subject, and he hoped he had not in the explanations he had give" exceeded the legitimate bounds. He had only now to add the expression of his gratitude to her Majesty for the gracious condescension and consideration with which she • had listened to what he had to state, and he must say that that feeling of gratitude would never be effaced from his recollection. The Noble Duke was loudly cheered on resuming his seat. Viscount MELBOURNE felt it *necessary to say one word in explanation. It had been alleged that he had_ given her Majesty advice upon a statement which he had admitted to be erroneous.—(No, no.) T hat was not so—but what he had said was, that the state ment which had been made had produced an impres sion upon her Majesty's mind which, from the recent e% t i planations in the House of Commons, he belie ve was erroneous.—(Hear, hear.) The statement wag that Sir Robert Peel should have the po wer of dismissing all the Ladies of her Majesty's Household, not stating the extent to which he meant to carry it, but leaving upon her Majesty's mind the impre ssion that he meant to carry it to a very great length. Th,_ statement had made that impression upon her Majesty mind, but after what had been stated in another Pin ce he believed that. impression was erroneous. Tbed Noble Duke had alluded to an influence that had trouble him in his career, but of which he (Viscount Melbou rn l was unconscious ; and when the Noble Duke sal that the country was at the present moment suffering under similar influence—(Several Peers on the O P: position side of the House here exclaimed—" he said nothing of the kind.") Oh, then 1 beg pardoo' said Lord Melbourne, and resumed his seat. Their Lordships then adjourned. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION. (From the Yates and Proceedings of the House of Coroness• ) TUZSDAY, MAY 13, 183. 1) MANCHESTER AVD BIRMINGHAM - 811.- TENSION RAILWAY ( STONE AN RUGBY), BILL. Motion made, and Question proposed—" That the niit x , read a second time ."—Amendment proposed, to leave " o t a dd word " now," and tothe end of the Question, Ques tion 1,16 ut. the words, " upon this day six mo n ths :" " That the word ' now ' s t an d p ar t of th e Questio n House divided:— i n order t MAJORITY-AYES, A'Court, Captain Gladstone, W. E. Aglionby, Major , Gordon ' R. Ainsworth, Peter Grant, Hon. Colonel Anson, Sir G. Grant, F. W. Archbold, It. Hawes, B. B Ailey, J. Heathcoat, John Bailey, Joseph, jun. Hobhouse, T. B. Baines, E. Hodges, T. L. Baring, W. B. Hodgson, R. Barnard, E. G. hope, Hon. C. ___ 39. r W. P en d a rves, Phillps. Sir R. r Pilot, D. R. Polhill, F.: Power, James Pratheroe, E. Roche, W. „, Rolfe, Sir R. 01. Round, C. G. Salwey, Colonel Scarlett, J. Y. Shir'ey, E. J. Sinclair, Sir G. Smith, B. spices, Alexander Stansfield, ft., ' St a unton, Sir G. Stewart, James Stock, Dr. Style, Sir Charles Talfourd, T. N. Thomas, Colonel Thomson, C. P. Thompson. Ald. •l'hornely, Thomas T o ll e mache, J. Edmund Vivian, Walker, R. • v f j u g r o o r e g r , , N. 11 . VV a rhurton Ward, G Weinyss , White, Andrew Whit e , Luke White, Sarn ue ' t s . Wilbraham. Wilbraham, 1-100. Wilde, T. „ Winningto n, w, nn ingtoth “` Wood. sir , Wood, G. Wynn, C. W. Bell, M. Idethell, R. Bew es, T. Blair, J. Blandford, Marquis of Biennerhassett, A. I3oldero, H. (1 Brabazon, Sir W. Bradshaw, James Bridgman, Hewitt Broadwood, Henry Brodie, W. D. Buller, C. E Burroughes, N. N. linsfeild, William Butler, Colonel Chute, W. L. W. Clay, W. Copeland, W. Courtenay, 1. P Craig, W G. Curry, W. Davenport, J. De Horsey, S. H. • Dirett, E Dugdale, W. S. Dundas, W. D. Egerton, W. T. Egerton, Lord Fran. Estcoutt, 'l' G. B. Fector, J. M Feilden, W. Fenton, John Finch, Francis Fleetwood, H. Fort, Joon Fremantle, Sir T. Hope, G. W. Hoskins, K. Howard, F. J. Howard, P. H. Hughes, W. B. Hume, Joseph Hurt, Francis Ingestre, Lord Jervis, J. Jones, Theobald Lasceles, W. S. Leveson, Lord Loch, James Lockhart, A. M. Lowth r, Colonel Lowther, J. H. Lushington, Hon. S. Mackinnon, W. A. M'Leod, R. ' ,, arsland, T. Martin, John Martin, T. , lelgu • d, Lord illolesworth, Sit W. Muskett, G. A. O'Brien, C. 0 Brien, W. S. O'Connell, D. O'Conne I, M. O'Connor Don Ord, W. Paget, Lord Alfred Paget, F. Parrott, .1. Patten, Wilson Pechell, 'Captain Peel, Sir R. TELLER' Philips, Mar J. Brotlierton, R. :NORITY-NOES, Evans, William Ewart, W. Farrand, Robert Ferguson, Sir R. C. Fresbfield, J. W Goddard, Ambrose Godson, R Gore, 0. J. R. Gore, 0. W. Goulburn, H. Gr4ham, Sir James Granby, Marquis Greene, T. Grimsditch, T. Grimitone, E. H. Harland, N. FI iwkes, T Heron, S r R. Hill, Lord M. Inglis, Sir R. H. James, William Jones, John Jones, Wilson Kpatchbuil, Sir E. Knight, H. G. Lambton, H. Lincoln, Earl of Lygon, Hon. Gen. Manners, 1,4c1 C. Master, T. W. C. Meynell, H. AttwoOd, Wolverly Att woo,t, M. A tt wood. T. Bagge, Wm. Barneby, John Berkeley, H n. C. Blakemoie, R. Broa ilev, Henry Bt,eklehurst, J. BroWnri , ° g, J. S. Bruges, W. H. L. Buller, Sir J. B. Y. Lurrell, Sir C. M. Cartwright, W. L. Calm - W.3h, G. H. Cayley, E. S. Cli'api'Aan, A. Chetwynd, Major Christopher, It. A, Clive, Viscount Clive, Itohert Collins, Ctawtord, W. Crompton, S. Dariii;gton, Earl of Davies, Colonel Duke, Sir James Duncombe, T. S. 'astnor. Viscount Eaton, Richard J. Ellis, Wynn 9f P Moreton. r.• rd Ossulston , Packe, C. F. Palmer, r . C . ge Palmer, G eo rge Parker, , Pigot, Rob ert num Ho n. . J. Ponsonby, el P owe ll, Colon Price, Sir ft• Pryme, G• 00 1 lii harm, R. Rickford, ' Rolleston, orsce St. Pa Sandon, s 9 b :e t p h p o a rp, rd, ; wri `el Smith, A. o ot+, Smith, R. Ve nd • -omerpet, L, Stanley, l;T: r d J s trutt, Eow Tennent, Earle• 0. Vere, Sir Welby, TELLV I 4 Eaithope, Parcll Wilmot, So .-- iO 7 THE RUSSELL ADMIN I STltt rr " AND THE AYLESBURY NEW°:. TO THE EDITOR OF THE 5. 6 Ar il oup t sl SIR—In the extracts you have given from tue Papers on the all-ab;orbing, topic of th e recent Alni t it $ 1 changes, you have quoted my article, and have statrtet-ele t° extracted from the Hertford Reformer. The egeforelf which I refer begins with " We think the cause': r—ship quite as likely to be forwarded under the pret°`°- bic" .00 _f oes Sir Robert Plausible as under Lord John Finalty was leading g an m u A im i l m , b is i e u r r i e g , t c " r :s a tni t d a e t7 :l c r i t i r r o at o r or. to attack Lord John Russell in of Conservatism in his Addre,:s to the electors c'f is , t et f f , I should not. have called your attention to f a c t "". carelessness on the part of your "sub" were it n o ; ii(l f f r. fact that just at this time there happens to be a C- :re ble difference of opinion among earnes t a nd sin i ° , l " be red formers as to whether the came of Reform Ign u.- t'nit in g tarded or advanced by Lord John Russell 0 , 11- 0 1 tio t " Leader of the House of Commons. Knowiog un : l it'll w eg hi t i o the editor of the Hertford Reforn n ie s r . would be have that article attributed•to him. and feeling t, h j t , oug t , ever credit or discredit is attached to the Artl e e que fi ' justly to fall to me, I think I am quite justified i° lug your correction of the unintentional error. I am, Sir, youts respect'ully, J. B. GIBI3S, N tee 1 . Editor and Proprietor of the Aylesbury Aylesbury, May 13, 1839. g pA ld LLOYD'S SIIIPI'ING.—(THI— NV% -- DEAL, MAY 14.—Wind,"a , N.E , 'l rived fiom the River, and sailed, the Narwhal, P'2.-ueocb+" the South Seas; John Pink, Nixon, Jamaica ; r k; sle* Parritt, St. Vincent ; Paragon, Curtis, New Y ° l o ick; phen Wright, English, St. Andrew's, New Ere w il 'l,l. l, v' b e_ PORTSMOUTH, MAY 14.—Wind N. N.E. 1 ° c '' a d, PLYMOUTH, MAY 14.—Wind N. N. W. " Lady RafUs, Highs, for Sydney, New South l'"'" port, the Madagascar, Walker, from Calcutta. es& FALMOUTH, MAY 13.—Wind N. to N. W. , fresh br td, Arrived, the Linnet, packet, from Halifax , sailed ossl,l 19th ult. ; Lady of the Lake, Banks, Mes4lle•k the Royal Tar (steamer), Brooks, for Vigo, port, the Ophelia White, Wood, from Odessa..., hor.' LIVERPOOL, MAY 14.—Wi n d f res h from the 14 tai —Sailed, the Pat r i o t King, Clark for Cal cuttli jcst es ' yeller, Pallot, P e r nam b uco Ri.a, g m ith, Ne w " r Roscius, Collins, E quator ; Bisson, New Y°r l " STANGATE CREEK, MAY 14. Arrived the In Ches from Vosti zza . s erf HASTINGS, MA Y 14.-011 port the Black sf Cat, from St. Michael's. POOLE, MAY 14.—Arrived the Nymph , Br °w c n 'oo 3o4 TORBAY, MAY 13.—Arrived the Francis,• from Madeira. 0 13 re b BRISTOL, MAT 14.—Arrived the Freindschafl,l, ling, fr o m M e mel ; and Anna Dorothea, from i tl dlr Nnwrowr, MAY 13.—Arrived the City of or from Memel. ; Ea esic GLOUCESTER, MAY 13.--Arrived the V ieto.re Eloisebard, from Bordeaux. Sailed th e George, " I ley, for St. John's, New Brunswick. ke DunLIN, MAY 13.z—Arrived the Libertas, Rer ec Memel; and Helen. Et.;;;eoie, Gillegude, Antwp. the Neptune, Dunris, for Quebec, sa W] sF