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Was convinced that great reau7.tions might se curely take place in the amount of our army. With respect to the thanks which his Mafesty had been. pleased, to .return... for the provision made for the support of his dignity at his Acces sion to the Throne, it was. impossible that he shoUld not feel the same satisfaction as the - two Noble Peers by -,vhozu he had been preceded. He should only say, that they had been too long delayed. When he found them in a speech 'de livered at the opeaing of the second Session of the reign, instead of the Close of the first, he could- not refrain from inquiring why the case _ was so; and why, PO months ,ago,-- after . having been lo ng engaged in • most painful duties, Parliarnent bad been, suddenly dismissed iii a mariner totally unprecedented, w ithoat .any Speech or any of the assurances now givett;There was only one subject to which he had not yet al luded—it was the future establishment for her :` , TajeF,ty the Queen. Upon this it was not his in tention at present to enter at any length. He :should - only express his hope that it would be such an establishment as justice required, and,as would pet an end to all causes of disagreement and agi tation. If it should form part of the vies li of his :t:iajes+2,.'s Ministers to propose such an establish ment, he should hail it with satisfaction. He. should therefore only add, that he hoped their propo sition w . Ould be of that" nature which was abso lutely necessary to compose the agitation of the people. When all those 7bjects should come to be separately discussed before the House, he should. take • them iato enlarged consideration, and should most sincerely rejoice if he found that his Majesty's MiaisterS at last adopted a system of policy different from that - which they had hitherto pursued, and more calculated to provide for the welfare of the country. The Earl of LIVERPOOL did not intend to de . tain their Lordships long,- while answering what had just fallen from the Noble Earl opposite. If he enderstood that Noble Earl rightly, he did not think that the Speech which his Majesty had been advised to deliver, or the Address since pro ,. .posed, such-as. the- occasion required. Yet his objection was not of a specific nnture,and did not apply to : nny particular part of the Speech or Ad , dress. Under these circumstances, it was not necessary for him (Lord L.) to say much ; yet, as it might be supposed, 'if he remained silent ; that he was not ready to meet some of the alle gations of the Noble Earl; he should rise to repel them. The Noble Earl, alluding to what the Noble Mover of the Address - had stated respect ing the .sentiments of loyalty expressed in the late addresses to the Throne, had contended that ; the universal opinion of the country was against the system of government pursued" by his Ma jesty's Ministers. lie had not, how ever, eXplain ,ed what he meant-by their system of Govern ment. Did he mean the whole or particular mea- 1 t sures ?—lie (Lord L.) agreed that on subjects of this nature,a distinction ought to be made between -loyalty ,to,the Throne and disapprobation of the pleasures of Government; and that the vices and errors of the latter, if vices' and errors exist ed, ought not to be visited on the Crown. But if the Noble Earl- expected that his Ma jesty's servants were prepared to propose any change in • their system of Government, he . was greatly mistaken ; for it was their Opinion,i as it was that of the majority of the nation, that to the systeinwhich they had adopted, the coun try owed its rescue from ruin. When he talked of a change of system, did-he mean a revolution in all those principles on which Government had been carried on ? He (Lord Liverpool) and his Noble Friends, were satisfied that that system had been the salvation of the country. If it were.cbanged, it ,must be by other_ tbuncils and other views. The Noble Earl had, unintention ally, no doubt, mistaken. the nature of his Ma- jesty's Speech. There was nothing overstated is it l and still less arty dispoSition that any thing should be blinked. All thlit was stated was fact. In niany. interests -an irraprovement had taken place. The subject. of agriculture had not been adverted to by name, but the Noble Earl would hind it included in the, last paragraph of the Speech,' where the distress which still pressed upon all classys °this Majesty's subjects was men tioned. .So important a topic would open too wide a door to feelings for discussion that day ; but if the Noble Earl had any proposal to make on a future occasion, he shouidbe ready to give it the fullest consideration. • Twelve months since the great press3re lay on.themanufacturing interest; that branch had since improved, ainl, on the other hand, t:t2 pressure had fallen upon agri culture. This I: as a question on which it was proper to say but little, tuiress there was an op portunity for saying a great deal: He. should caution tht house against making any rash ex periments, which, thr more he heard upon the subject, .the more -he fell Parliament otight not . to be too, ready to adopt. Some years ago, a remedy had been applied against foreign -impor tation, which waohen considered to be-the-cause. of . the distress experimrced. by farmers. now found, however, that prices had fallen nearly as low as before that remedy had been.prOided. To what, therefore, could the evil be ascribed, bat. to' art Increase of production in the coun try ?--- 7 (Hear, two years there had been no importa.tion , - of foreign corn.-H(Hear, hear!)—fie_ knew that it was sUpposed, that un der the Warehousing Act, the corn kept in ware houses might find 'its Way into. the country for home consumption. But the subject had been, and might still beinvestigated, and. the supposed introduction of corn was found to , be,. impracti.: cable. If it •was iMpracticable, no other conclu sjon could be adopted, .fiinCe our ports had_ been shut to foreiin importation for two whole years, than that the present low prices of grain were occaSioned-by increa - e. of production hi the coon- try. Ile was HiAsorry to throw tills at present kr 'fliture discussion, if any. Neil)le tordshould.he dispos€d. to ' . enter into the subject. But let'not the lion . go - into the'discussion•with - any idea that :relief could be •procured by legislating upon . t 4 ll . )",subject._ . • For one law that had done good,lie was convinced that -nine laws had done hir:n. fHe sh . ould now proceed to our relations with foreigii . poivers. The Noble Earl could not 3xpect thqt on an occasion like the present, he bhould enter into a full explanation of the views of his Majesty's Government with respect. to Foreign Powers. Yet he could not allow the observations of that noble Earl to pass, without setting' the minds of their L,erdships right as to the state of the einestion. The speeches Of the two noble Peers 'who' . had moved and seconded the were explicit ors ; the subject; particularly 'the comments of the Noble - Earl (Belmore) on that. part of the Speech in which his Majesty had been advised to state most dis tinctly, " that it would be a matter of, deep re gret to him, if the occurrences whiCh had lately taken place in Italy, "should 'eventually" lead to any interruption of - tratigniillity in triit quarter; but that it would, in - such case t 'be his - great 'ob ject to secure to his s people the continuance of peace." Whether or »Of war ensued on' the Cpn. tinent, the system of this' country Was taken. That system was one of peace.—(Hear, hear, hear!)—[t was'one tending' to *maintain' the rela tions of - peace with a view to own tion, as well as to that of other states. And he had no hesitation in declaring, that the deserip tion,of war in which this'country ought to be, .and would be most back Ward in engaging, would be a-system *of.-war' founded on the principle-of interfering in the concerns of other States.---,- (Ifea - r,hear !)—He had always maintained that there were 'cases' in which such interference might be justifiable and necessary on grounds Of our own situation ;. but with -this single - exception, our policy ought to lead us to abstain from all interrerence. This was, however, not the time fur . going at la rge into th e subject. He should haVit no objection, at a proper opportunity, to lay any information which might be required before that House; for circumstances Might have rendered it necessary for this Government to speak out on the subject, not only to some of the Sovereigns; but to all the .Allied Powers; Having • said so much upon this point,: it would. not be expected that he should go further at preSent.- It appeared to him that the Noble .Earl would have wished that England, rather than maintaining a sys tem 'of strict neutrality, should have taken a decided part, as . far as opinion went, either one way - or the other ; and that certain measures should ha . ve been adopted to prevent the Allied PoWers from carrying -their supposed plans into execution. But until he knew all the circum stances of the crse, no one could be able 'to decide what line of policy it would have been fitting for his Majesty's Government to em- . brace. With regard to revolutions abroad,' or in this country, he did not wish to shrink from expressing his opiniOn. He was not one of those who approved of all revolutions, because they were revolutions. . On the• other hand, he was not one of those who could not distinguish. between a revolution against a good King, and oneagainst a tyrant. He knew, that great moral questions were to be decided by the probability of success or . of improvement in other countries. But What two countries were in exactly the same situation, so as to enable the one to judge of what would be wrong, or fitting for the other ? He thought that to abstain . from interfering, was the best line .of policy which this country could adopt, because if it embraced the policy of interference, it . might give a judgment without possessing the necessary means of forming a right one. This .was the system on which his Majesty's Ministers had acted. No mea sure had been taken by _ this country, but in the true spirit of neutrality,- and not only to avoid interference, but even any situation which Might have led to it. With respect to the pro posed reduction in our military establishment, the circumstances which had rendered au increase in the army necessary, had now so far subsided as to make it the duty of his Majesty's Govern ment to lose no time in reducing its force. He Was therefore.happy to state, that in our military expenditure a very considerable saving indeed would be made. And he had the farther -grati fication to declare his firm belief, that the ex pences of the year Nv r ou 1 d be provided for with out the necessity of creating any additional stock. --:(IIear, hear, hear!)—As to- the observations made by the Noble Earl opposite, respecting the mannerist which the last Session had been closed,. he had 119 hesitation in saying, that con sidering the number of months that Noble Lords had been detained in town,: and the delays which would have taken place, if any further busi ness had been transacted in the other House, the Session .could not have been kept open without the greatest possible inconvenience.— It was not, • therefore, out of disrespect to Parliament that it had been closed without the usual speech. It was on the contrary for its ac commodation That amend had been put to its long labours, and that the Speech :and the Royal Thanks . had been delayed until the . opening of the present Session, that they might meet Par liament in its fulness. As to the other subject 'also noticed in the Speech,and by the Noble Earl, he should not say any thing at present, as a pro position would be made on the subject in the other House of Parliament. He had thus briefly replied to the ellegations of the Noble Earl, and had, at least, the satisfaction to know that nei ther in his Majesty's Speech, nor in the Address proposed, that Noble Earl had been able to find any thing agaiudwhich he might directa•specific objection. Lord Ifor.LANn wished to put two or three plain questions . to the Noble Earl who had just sat down. It was natural for those whO one day adopted one measure and abandoned it the next ? to say that• they did not understand •what was meant -by an :alteration in their system. But it 'was easy for all others to understand. that his Noble Friend . (E,arl Grey) ,Meant that re storation of confidence and gbodna(ured govern ment between the Crown and th e P eo pl e , w hich had - been tb o long a"bandoned. There svas one part of. the Speech, On which he'should - act as a :dishonest man, if he did not express his diSap probation. Their Lordships had been told, as a subject of congratulation, that his" Majesty con tindetb•ta reCeiye from Foreign Powers ,assur ances of their friendly digpOsition. But misgO . - verned: as the country had - been by the. Noble Earq• and his friends,, it had not .come to that point to think it a subject of congratulation for an. Englishman that his King had not been summoned to auswer for his good intentions_be fore the self-elected tribunal at. Laybach. Their Lordships had keen repeatedly told, that the triurtiphs of the late war .had made "England the arbiter and deliverer. of Europe. But now they saw tho;e very. Powers enriched by our subsi dies, an 1 by provinces which we had enabled them to occupy. and plunder', interfering with the concerns and liberties of other States, whilst we were told to rejoice at not being fingkritrto an unjust war. He could not believe that the country was yet reduced to so miserable a state, that if a word - or remon s tr a nce- against the 'war had been inserted in. _his, ajesty's Speech, that due consideration to petty interest, which had always been the rule with the Austrian Govern ment, would not have prevented the possibility of a war. He recollected that at the very period when the Duke of Brunswick was marching to Pars, the:same language and prayers for peace had been introduced into the Royal Speeches of the day. HOW then were they now to be believed ? By conveying the King of Naples to Laybach, and by •our silence on fhe subject, .our Allies would draw this jriference, as honourable ] to the Crown as to the people, that We would fain go to war, but that we had made ourselves so miserable that we could not. That we gavel them our wishes, but could not 'our money, as I they had already robbed us oft it. Ile under stood from the correspondence - with the Neapo litan Government, that on the 12th June, 1515,. a Treaty had been signed between - the Emperor of Austria and the king of Naples, in which, by a secret article, the King engaged himself neither to alter his institutions, nor to 'make any new ones subversive of the principle orMonarchy, or contrary to the system of Government, which his Imperial Majesty had always pursued •in his Italian States. If this article had been commu nicated to his Majesty's Ministers, instead of making abstract speeches respecting the cas-s in which it was fitting or unfitting to in terfere, the Noble Earl and his colleague had acted Mast unfairly to the people of this country in not acknowledging at once the principle by which they were directed. But if they knew nothing of that article, how came their allies to impose such conditions without their knowledge ? Under such circumstances, why should they not say to Austria, " It appears you are very flush of cash ; you intend to g i ve grea t i n t erest to Eng lish Gentlemen for their money, to make a ccu sade in the south of Italy ; but stop, we have a writ against you.. Have the goodness to pay us before you proceed to relieve the people of Naples from the horrors of a free Government, pay your debts first."—And what was the amount of that 'debt ?—Not less than-15 or 16 millions. He then eulogised the constitution of Spain, which he had no doubt a Noble Duke opposite (the Duke of Wellington) whose work it party was, had been much mortified and disappoint ed to find represented in the declarations of Prussia and Austria as incompatible with the ex istence of Government in other States. lie con cluded by putting the following questions to the Noble Earl (Liverpool) :—Whether the Gentle man now residing at Naples was the accredited Minister from this country to the Neapolitan Court ? Whether he had been instructed to give assurances to the people of Naples that any thing they might do to improve their institutions would meet with our support ? Whether the secret anti. cle of the treaty between Austria and Naples, in 1815, had been communicated to his Majesty's 'Government ? and whether any application had been made to Austria for the payment of part or the whole of the loan and interest clue to this country, arid what answer had berg received ? The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that on the ques tion of Naples and the Foreign Powers he had already stated the general views entertained by his Majev's Government. If the Noble Baron would bring any of his questions in the shape of a motion at a proper time, he would have no objec tion to produce the fullest information upon the subject. But the present moment was not tha suited for such a discussion. Lord HOLLAND and the Earl of LIVERPOOL mutually explained. Lord ELLENDOROU GH had one question to put to the Noble Baron. He was in raptures at his magic receipt for the prevention of war, without putting the country to the expense of money or blood. But it appeared to him that the most po lite . way of asking a debt from an Emperor, would ,be, by a general at the head of an army. —(A laugh.)—He was glad that the Noble Lord at the head 'of the Treasury had promised the correspondence, for hitherto the 'speeches were meagre of information. His question to the Noble Baron was this : " In . kvhat words would he shape the remonstrance that was to,work such magic "—(.A.'laugh.)— Lord HOLLAND did not feel himself called upon to answer the Noble Lord's question. He had argued generally upon the influence which .his country must have on the Councils of Ans. ria, when it was seen that this latter calculated so much upon our assistance ; on this ground, therefore, he thought the expre'Ssion of a wish by the people of England- would be entitled to great weight. Lord Ettrsnottotrog:-When 'I congratulate he House, that whatever, the Noble Lord would ave us think of the debasement into which the ,ration' has been sunk by the acts of Ministers for the last. 2 years, yet it posseses. moral impor tance enough in the eyes of Europe, that the single expression of its will is tantamount to (Hear.) Lord HOLT, IND denied that he' had said so.- -(A laugh.)—The Noble Lord then repeated his argument, founded generally on our relations with Austria. The Loan CRANcEr.r.ou was at a loss to know how, if one Noble Lord was Austria and the other Naples, they could be prevented from in terfering with each other.—(A laugh.) The question was then put on the Address, whiCh was aueeil to without a division.—Ad journed at a quarter to eight o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, The Speaker entered the.Housß at a quarter before two o'clock.—At two o'clock the Usher )f the Black Rod summoned the House *to .tl4e House of Peers, to hear the Speech from the Throne. At a quarter, past .two the Speaker passed through the House, and did' not re-enter. it until four o'clock. - • , - The Si3E3KEti - informed the , House, that pur suant to the 24th Geo. 111. , chap. 26, - he had iSstted new. writs_fo'r the County of Itosscommou, in the `room of A.Trench„Esq. de s Chased,;,fiv it., loan n llie.toofof lir. T. RAVrts',ll7ll; deceased ; and for Yarmouth, in the Isle of Wight, in the room of T. 1.1. Broadhead, Esq.' deceased. The following Gentlemen then took the oaths and _their_ seats H. Wilson (St. .Alban's), Mr. T. Ellis (City—of Dublin), J. Kynaston Powell, Henry. Baring,'Esq. (Colchester), J. H. Lowther, Lord Carhampton, Sir J. Rice, and Sir F. Blake. THE QUEEN. Lord' A. HAMILiONiaYe notice for Friday of a motion relative - to the omission of her Majesty's name froni the- Liturgy: Mr. WETHERELL" said, that he intended to say a le w •words upon the motion of the Noble Lord, ,as he was ab ou t t o move f or certa i n pap e rs which he conceived materially necessary to a prorier un derstanding of the question. The SPEAKtII. observed, that upon a notice" of motion there could be no discussion. Mr. TIERNEY remarked, that he understood the Honourable . Member (Mr: Wetherell) to say that in , consequence of a certain .motion which stood for Friday ; he had something to propose to the HouSe which he conceived necessary to proper understanding of that motion. This - lie conceived the Hon. Member.had a right to do. Lord C.ISTLEREAGII said, it would be as well f Hon. Gentlemen were allowed to explain their own meaning--L-(A laugh.), . • Lord FoLKsToNe conceived that it was corn-. petent Ito the Hon. Member to niake.any mo tion he pleased on the .question. Mr;BANKts said, it was unusual to enter up pon any discussion before the King's Speech was read and taken into consideration. lie did not say that it was incompetent to any Member to dO so, but it was contrary to Parliamentary usage, unless under peculiar circumstances. The•SPEAKEIi observed, that if the Honourable Member would explain hiS object, he would apo logize if he had misunderstood him. He under stood the Honourable Member intended to offer some observations upon the notice of the Noble Lord (Hamilton). That, it appeared to him, would be contrary to the usual forms of .the House. - It was impossible that any observations could be made leadin4 .to a discussion,-without going on to a termination of the question. - If he mistook the Honourable Member, he begged his pardon : but if be did not, he put it to , him and to the House, whether he was not irregular in addressing the - House on the notice of the-Noble Lord? . Mr. WETHZRELL said' he had bee-i. misander stood, and was read y,to explain whathis object was. He intended to move for the production of cer- . . tain papers, 'which he conceived absolutely ne cessary to a proper understanding of Lord. A. Hamilton's motion. Lord CASTLEREAGH .thought. the Honourable Member could not make any, motion of the kind without notice. If he wished for the. production of any papers, he could avail himself of another opportunity of moving for theth. . • Mr.WIITHEntLL said, that piovided he could . attain his object, the mode by which he did . so was quite immaterial to him. He was ready to bow to the will. of the House. : The papers for which he was about to move-were, in his opinion, absolutely necessary, in order to come to . a pro per understanding of the Noble Lord's motion. However, in deference to the- opinion of the House, he was ready to reverse the proceeding ; and to give notice for a future day (Cries of No, no, move now.) He would then move at once (Hear, bear,) for " Copies of all Collects taken from the. printed- Liturgies of the Church, in which.the name of the Queen Consort has ,been from time to time inserted, from the reign of James I. down to the present time. AU . ° Copies of .all Collects copied from the Liturgy annexed to the Act of Uniformity, passed in the reign of Charles 11. down to the present time, with a'specifiCation of the blank left in any of the said Collects; also a-Copy of the Order in Council of the 12th of February, 18W, by which her Majesty's name had been excluded from the . Liturgy." lie did this with a view of enabling the House to under stand fully the nature of the motion which The Noble Lord had fixed for Friday. No doubt but every Gentleman's research had brought home to him the proper information on this sub ject. He moved for those papers, as public re cords, which were absolutely: necessary to a pro per understanding of the 'motion of which notice had. been giren. The Liturg.y,was a public re cord, under the Royal Sanction, as was the Act of Uniformity. It would be strange and absurd to come to a decision upon . stick a question with out reference to the records, and .the Statutes of usage connected with th e s u bj ec t. H e maintain ed that the Ronsecouldnet, with justice to them seliies--to 'The Country —to the. King, or to her Majesty, enter upon , the Noble • Lord's motion without having the documents, for which he Moved, laid upon the Table. He would also move for " Copies of all Orders in Council froM the reign or James I. down to the 'present time, respecting any alterations in the Liturgy in the names of the King, Queen,. or Royal Family." . Lord CASTLEREAGH thought it would be more convenient to give notice of the motion. The. Honourable Member was transgressing the rules and forms of the House. Ile was moving with out notice for documents which nobody under stood. If the Honourable Member th oug h t there was - any 'reluctance on his (Lord C.'s) part to produce thoge dOCuments, he was much mis taken-.--so far from it, that his only objection was as to the time and manner of making the motion. He put it to the House, whether the country was d • likely to improve from the late reformation's ‘vhiCh had taken place in the farm - of making motions in Parliament.—(A. laugh.)---lle was sorry that The' influence of a certain Gentleman on the other side was notlixerted=--(Loud langTh io.; on the Opposition side,)—to prevent motions which may tended to excite ciarne4r, For .his part he Vs74s not aveare id what particul4t office the information called for by the Honourable Member could he found. He had no means of judging precisely at that moment whether he 'ought or ought not-to concur in the motion: Un derAhOse 'cirCurnstattces, he hoped the motion would be for . the pres.ent;withdrawn.—(No 7 no.) it - Nvas god forAknY. thing it vvould go to - Ostpone .the nvtion which 'stood for P l id a y --it would oper% as an absolute bar to it. If the motion was not _withdrawn, he felt himself under the necenity of moving the previous ques tion; - -- - Mr. B. B.l.TricasT seconded the Amendrtitnt. Mr, Trritxv-y Said,; . ,that as "far, as.. he ender steod the Noble Lord, he had no obiectlon to Honourable and Learned. Members motion, but only to the tithe of making it. , It was most extraordinary that any objection . .as . to time should . lie made, when the documents moved for lvere 'Which theex - clusion.of ber",iNa jestY's'naMe from the.Littirgy had' been founded but the N 0616 Lord had no idea where those doenmetits'COnld be found. If that was the case, he should wish to know where the Noble Lord had laid' hiS fingers upon them, when, the order in - Council was made for exchiding.herAkjesty's narne from n the . Liturgy' ? 2 -4lfear„ he would only beg the House to consider the wayin . which the question Steed. The . Honourable. Member '(Mr. Wetherell),_ who made the mo. , tion, was not an ally of his .(Mr. Tierney7s), he was the uniform supporter of Ministers. A Noble Lord (A.' Hathilton) had given notice, of a motion for 'Friday. •'"!rhe 'Honourable 'Member (Mr. Wetherell) - said, that there were certain doca rnents which he wished to have laid before the Efonse, in order to gUide his - decision upon that (notion. He thought he could not form an °pi-. nion-in•the . absence of - those - doeuments". ," The Noble'Lord ((7astlereagh) . said he had neObjec- , tion to the production of the documents, butt he would riot allow "them to be prodticed neW..This was as much as to say, " you must:first decide upon the question, and afterwards you may have the docunients."----(A. laugh.)-Th e Noble Lord might if he pleased inive taken another ground, and objected to any discussion until the King's speeCh -had been 'reCeised, And taken into consi deration.: Instead of doing so, he said, that the question ought not to be agitated at present, as he did not know where to lOok for the paPers, was a most' curious mode of reasoning ; it was,: most 'singular objectien : to the Motion. Ife would not have added another. word., were it not for an observation which had been made by the Noble Lord (Castlereagh) over ; his Lordship expressed a wish that he Tierney) would exercise his influence in pre venting .certain motions from being made. What did they Noble" Lord mean by this P----. The Lord' had 'indeed. infitience 'on. his side of -thq., House, but did his Lordship think, that he (Mr.:- Tierney) could have the impudence, e v en if he had - the inclinati o n, to ray to any Honourable Member that such a motion shOuld or should not be made? The Noble Lord, indeed, knew wha r t his influence was .at his own side•of the House; he .could. turn round to any of his party and say, " Sir, you hold such a place, and you shall lose - it if you do•net do so and So"-L(Lotia laughing)- But did the Noble Lord imagine that he (Mr. 11%) could do this It _was the tact and Noble Lord to represent• the -Cop-pOttroiti artily invariably acting - Under the 'orders of a Ge neral. He (Air. T.)'disavewed the power and command which the Noble Lord ascribed to him ; if such - a power were offered to himhe should decline the responsibility' attached to it. -Mi nisters, indeed,' had it - in their power to corn- Maud—but more of this by and • by.-81 1 he could say was ; that he felt clattered ; .by the attention of, any Honourable Member wig) . consulted.him as to whether any particular Ale tion ought or ought not to be made. But hs should 'feel ashamed of him Self if he one step further than simply giving his opinion upon the question. •The person so consult big was of course .master of his own actions- The Noble Lord might have contented him self with his ,owu extensive influence, • .ivitlii)ut casting his jeers .upon his (Mr. T.'s) side of the - House. But the Noble Lord had come down full,- of the King's - Speech, mid: Was irritated at an &Y 14- thing which cam e i n his 'ay., No matter -wha , was started, i 1,4 seemed determined not to loSe single inch of ground.' Re was determined tol oppose, not only his (Mr. T.'s) side-of the 49u5!4„:,„ but his own also (a laugh.) "• Lord CASTI.EUEAGit 'rose to . eltplaril loud cries of ,"_spoke,.spokel" Mr. Wctttcatr.r...said, that her s Majesty's: name had h.ben excluded from the Liturgy by an. Order in - COunciL of the l.th;FebrUary, He presumed that the Noble Lord. and the r est u of the,Concil had read .the. a i :Ci lg ii; ! l:t s for witich he moved 'before they made such order. Did tb6, Noble Lord - mean to say, that he and his cols" leagues did riot look to the Liturgy'., Or did he, Mean tO . say., that having looked to it, he did not know where. those document ri Were 4ow to he. ; fouti4? Was her , `,Majesty's name- at once cIC,. eluded without reference to the law :of usage for, the last two centuries? Did not the Noble Lord know that such documents were to" be found in the British Museum? Or was it thought . neces'-. sary to . consult the undoubted, u'nif'orm, broken usage from the reign of Henry the Eighth down to. the present period ? Did the .Noble Lord presumedid hedare to' say, that the Privy Council 'had - struck her Majesty's name from the Liturgy 'without looking' to the usage of centu ries ? If the Noble Lord said that the thing was done unadvisedly .(and unadvisedly he believed it was done)---if he meant to say that a pen wet, at once drawn across her- MajestY's name with.., out reference-to - the usage of- former . times, what a severe censure did . he pronounce upon his col-, leagues in office. Mr, B. BATuunsT rose, amidst cries of " tiOti."- T -The Right lion. Member was proceed ing to address the itouse, when • Mr. Humn rose •to order.—The Right. Hon. Member (Mr. Bathurst) was about to address the House; and, of-eourse,-as a Member, of 'that. House, Now, sinCe'Parliartient had been pro rogued, that ll.iaht. How. Member had been pro mo4A to.a high office, and he (Mr. gutxte) was ; -