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alarmed, as she was evidently Mistaken about the nature of this grant. It was the duty of Parlia ment to place what it thought fit at the disposal of the Crown ; but she could only receive it from the King. But here, as' in- all the rest of her proceedings, she travelled into unconstitu tional error—(llear hear !)—and - was trying to erect herself into a great power in the State; and where she was only a subject, it hid gone so far as to be common to hear of her subjects.— (Great clamour, cheers, and cries of hear, hear 1) Mr. WETHERELL rose to order. The Learned Gentleman began by explaining something he had said on a former night.—(Loud cries of Order ! and much confusion.) The SPEAKER begged the House to call the Learned Gentleman to order. Mr. WETHERELL again began by referring to a preceding debate—(Cries of No ! no !—Order ! order!) The SPEAKER requested the Learned Gentle man to confine himself to the point of order.. Mr. WETHERELL, a third time, commenced 'ciith stating that what he had said on a former .The SPEAKER was sure that .the. point of order now Could not refer to the Learned Gentleman's s p e ech on a preceding night. Mr. WETHERELL asserted, that he had been r a is understood by the Attorney-General ; he had 'never spoken of the King's subjects as subjects of the Queen.—(Order, order !) The SPEAKER observed, that it was, in the - first place, disorderly to refer to any former debate ; and, in the second place, he stated that . he had heard no direct reference to the speech of the Learned Gentleman. Mr. WETHERELL sa id, an ex p ress i on wa s attri buted to him which he-never used. III " lion E alSo rose to order. It was, lie thought, necessary to know if the Noble Lord knew what - he did mean, or - if he meant what he sai l . ; --- (A- - murm ur and cries of order.) _. T 1 • , " 1 "e SPEAKER. instantly interfered. INotnin, could he more disorderly than this first sentence of an appeal in favour of order.—(Hear.) . Mr. Hum; to order, said he considered the Noble Lord's attributing to her Majesty a desire to erect herself unconstitutionally into 'a power ;li the State, which he (Mr. Hume) knew she never meant—(Laughter, and cries of heat!)---and of travelling into unconstitutional error, in the whole. of her proceedings, was quite disorderly. He called on the Noble Lord to state his authority. — (Cries of Order !) The SPEAKER said, this question was not upon the point of order, and itself a disorder. Lord C AsTLEREAGH now resumed. If the Learned Gentleman had allowed him to go on, lie would have found that he would not have been guilty ,of any disorder whatever; and all the interruption he had experienced, might have been saved. With respect to the Hon. Gentle man under the Gallery, however, it was really too much to be told by him, that her Majesty's name ..„ , ,was not t o h e i ntro d uced into a di scu S s i on i n t h at - "use, 'without the Hon. Gentleman's taking '. 1 1 30 11 him the authority he did, starting up to I te r „ Ffe re- It was too much that the Hon. Gen 1' --an ) who had the right to answer any argil finents, I e s•iould set the rules of Parliament at de f an -e ' "4 Upon such occasions venture to inter ere, „,/ Q -- t-.make corrections of those Who were in I)° ,. ""sion of the House.—(Hear, hear!)—With x e o g t a i ld to what he (Lord C.) had stated, he was ' l 'o y to i to her Majesty's pro ceed rnpute any inaccuracy , . he did not tralv e i. ,gs without good reasons , . du ct - o , 4 "at with all her Majesty's. literary pro- N l '; 3 l ',:s the Hon. Gentleman did.—(Hear !) --1 )r — " h e Contemplate them with the same de r- a paternal tenderness, which looked as if ' if' (IN ; Ir " Ilin ne) had seen them before they - were ! t n. Pr alt---- (Laughter)--L-He had,- therefore, proof. the what he alledged, without referring to e dncurnents of , the Hon. Member, "or to .the sPeech of the L earne d G ent l eman . O ne o f t i -he Queen 's Answ ers t o an AddreSs was put into iis ha n d b y -a friend, in which she . says, " I hope the moment may arise for the good of my subjects ;"—(Cries of - Hear; hear, hear !) : ---and in another, she thanks -her good citizens of Can terbury, and 'expresses her anxious wish to make her people happy.—(Hear, hear, hear !) -. , -If they examined holy this was to be accom plished, they would say that it was by Reform in. its widest sense, or in other words,' in tile total overthrow of the Constitution of the Country.—(Hear, - hear 1 .)--ila v i n , given this " ex planation of ,- what h e h ad asserted' and meant, lie hoped it wou ld b e a l e sson Of order to the _ ho nourable Member, who was more prone• V> disorderly interrupti - on . than any One . whom he ( . . ite : w— (ltear.),—H e was quite sure the House of i•-loorinnons would never tolerate in any per Son, . th w ever illustrious, to make conditions with it. in , o e i discharge of its functions. He was not 'in to ntinumication with her Majesty, and hadmothing ' r s ° INitli her line of conduct ; but tbe question gra ei bother , . wheth ; R answer to his' Majesty's most' ill.p 113 ' message, 'they would grant the Crown , a ns t pro v i si ° make a provision in this case. That th a t " Might be rejected, but still he contended, i t °lrer it ‘ Ought to be in the power of the Crown to lo o k - ' If it was desirable that they-should fio not, w they went on, step by step, and what Us ethe at firs 4. Queen was likely t o make' of it. She hat. ( tllO , r ` se tting out r e f u S e d t o acce pt a sum f rom, fa rth i"in s or from Ministers. Now she went „, S s r' and 'rejected a prOvision from Parliament IL less ace ' to t h e ' y ° m 13 a 11:i e d by the restoration of her name Spirit . .4iturgy, Why rnight she not 'in this let's'clt.to morrow insist upon not receiving it, un thts sti e was taken into the It ld s - —zttesd - , vil a. -Is one of the R o y a l F am il y, and gifted so..' `! .___ ll r the r igh ts and privileges of queenCon -1„e,• (Hear, h ear, h ear !)—The plain -English u 2 hall was, th at the queen - would not acquiesce Y o y arrangem ent calculated to give tranquillity gentle country—(Sh outs of Hear !)—would Con . e t o nothing short of having the Crow n an d ° llstit u r on .. ---Whil t prostrat e a t her feet,---(Hear, b ear !) e he lived, white. he had th e t power o forw ` a nd in •e defenc • 1-,aly ard the of the , Throne and 4.1 s ) be would , in silence this done ne5... r, He would never , ti on to . saqer the Constitu-; ever • be trampled on by any- individual what- In _ a, nor would he unresiStinglY endure her measures to be pyomoted - for..party purposes— (Hear o—What did .the j-ion. Member ids Esseic mean by .saying he would not vote one shilling•of the supplies. He was sure he was too humane to object to this measure, and that he must have contemplated some pecuniary provision to be ne s cessary tot the- Queen in - whatever way the' charges against„ her terminated. The amount alone could in any scan's eyes. be the matter for consideration.. And if the Honourable Gentle man had. permitted him to go on and unfold the proposition he had to make, without departing from the usual. order of discussion, he would have discovered that it was not his intention to haie touched at all 'on the subject of the' Queen's guilt or innocence. He should have thought it unmanly to bring her conduct ju dicially before the House : nor was : he prepared to put that to. a decision upon one short vote,. which had occupied the House of Peers so assi duously, for many months. But was he there-; fore to sit:dOwn iihder all - the-taunts and_ reVil ings of the Gentlemen opposite, heaped upon him and his colleagues for discharging the most, ardu ous duties ever imposed, on any Ministers ? Was he to suffer them to call that oppression and per secution which hid been a most.painful task, most conscientiously. fulfilled—(llear!) Was he to have the Gentle Men opposite assailing the prero gatives Of the - Crown ; without - .stating .to the. House, all the prudential considerations on re cord, staring them in the face,. and which they were bound to take into view, in forming a judg ment in this matter, consonant to. the duties. they owed to their Sovereign and to. their country? Was he to suffer the Gentlemcn. opposite, or their friends, to agitate the country to its foundation, by continual g abbling paltry motions, such as l those brought 'from the North of Scotland, and others of a similar kind,. Nvithout their ever ing,to bring the question fairly to issue, or putt ing it on its broad principles to a, vote of the House ?-_--(Hear, hear !)—Why did . they hot meet the. justice of the case ? Why did they re sort to such opposition as the Noble Lord's' (A. Hamilton); and the Hon. Member's (iveunder stood Mr.Western's i) The thins , was so obvious; that every man with half an idea ' must see that all they were contending for was power in the state.—(lledr, hear o—lt was for this they were agitating its peace, and aggravating those dis tresses - which the Hon. Member opposite (Mr. Western), affected so deeply to lament.- • • Mr. TIERNEY rose to order. The assertion that the Gentlemen on his side of the House agitated and inflamed the country,'merely for the sake of getting into place, could not, by possibi lity,-be orderly. The SPEAKER said, lie was waiting for tbecon elusion of the - Noble Lord's sentence, to inforra him that it was not in order to speak of any lion. Member's affecting to deplore the distresses of the country. Lord .CASTLE4EAGII assured the lion. Gent. that he had not - used the word, to give him pain ; than which nothing could 'be further from Irk intention, nor less consistent with -the respect he entertained for him. • He was :most reluctantly impelled to pursue the course of argument in which he had indulged ; but be never could allow the House and the Country to be misled as to the I nature of the proceedings against the Queen, in the manner that had been attempted by the Gen tlemen 'opposite: - The withdrawal -of the he was-ready to , admite..Wa§ an end to the ques tion of 'guilt and innocence,; in as far as it was, determined to originate no new proceedings. But his Noble Friend (Lord Liverpool) in taking that step, was not to be considered as having thereby sacrificed his entire judgment upon factS. He had, lso a right to refer- to the- protests sign.; ed by Peers after the .third - reading.— These formed public records which;zould not be put out,of sight on this question.•• All that he could' do was, in making the provision for the Queen; to abstain from agitating the question of her guilt or innocence, and making the offer without asking any admisSion of the former on her part. :Varna merit was not to be disturbed from its cinarse'by her interference.siihe might, if she pleased,. re ject the grant when came to her in a proper shape, but the House'had nothing- to do with her objections. now. It was for it, as due to his Ma jesty, to proceed to the order of the day on his gracious couimunication. And he protested against this:attempt to disturb the' \pellet , of the country, or to 'dictate to the wisdom-of Parlia . ment on a-voint whielemust inevitably. lead to the agitation of-other subjects, and to prolonged irri tation. and ferment. . Mr. TrE'rtNcy never felt more desirous of ad dressing-the House than, on that occasion. He had called the Noble Lord opposite to order for stat , ing that Gentlemen on his side of the House were actuated in their conduct by a desire of place, and 'as the Noble Lord had particularly referred I to him (Mr. Tierney) he thought it right to do so. Ile-would net stoop to the meanness of stating; that' he was not desirous of power ; he,. had always thought it' as laudable and praise. worthy feeling. He bad always given it as his .opinion, that it was the only way in which he, and. those Hon. Gentlemen who thought with him could give weight and influence to their opi nions, and the only means whereby these opinions. .could be turned to advantage for the Country; He would never stoop to accept or hold office 'On the terms upon . which the Noble Lord had held it. ,(Loud Cheers.)—lie would never cept it on terms that Were net perfectly ho nourable to his feelings--(Cheers)='-"and (said Mr. Tierney in an emphatic tone) -so help me God ! I would sooner die on a dunghill than re ceive the King's pay for wading through some work that I have 'lately seen.".--(Loud and con tinued cheers.)—The Noble Lord has thought, that the re-establishment of(the Queen's charac ter was wholly incompatible with his existence in power, that having failed , his attempts, he could not longer retain office. The Noble Lord . had stated, that he' would not make an unmanly attack on her Majesty. He (Mr. Tieir ney) could tell what mood the Noble Lord might be in to night, but as far as he could hear- 7 (he was not able from indisposition to re main the whole time)—but as far as he con'ld hear, he never recollected in the whole course of his life a more unmanly attack on any defenceless female than the latter part of the Noble Lord's Tench. The Noble Lord had complained severely of the . Qtteen7a•Message, attributing to her a disposition to create disturbance. Of the propriety or itn- Propriety of that Message, he should only aka, that had he been in the situation of her Majesty, he should have precisely done, the .same..----- (Cheers.)—What did she do ?: She :takes the first opportunity of informing the House that she understood they wear: taking her, affairs into con sideration; and magnanimously told them, 44 I. owe it to Myself - to say, that I cannot take your money . after , what has ocdurred.'"--(cheers.)— ' But," says the Noble Lord, 44 I do not mean to take any fresh proceedings." 'No, certainly . not ; and why does he not? 'Because he dare not. But he does the very next thingto that, he rakes tip all the, odious proceedings in . the House of Lords, for the purpose of exciting an unfavour able opinion against the Queen.. He (Mr. Tier , - ney)'could' not 'be charged by', the Noble Ldrd with a disposition to create disturbance, either in or out of doors, lie had been,attacked by some of his own friends for not coming forward, and had incurred their displeasure for having 'been so .extremely temperate as to incur the applause of that Noble Lord for his moderation.: But he had heard, with the most perfect horror, the doc trine that had been laid down within the last week. It was a doctrine completely abhorrent to all the ideas which as a Lawyer, as a Gentle man, as an Englishman, he had ever entertained lie could never have supposed that the discomfi ture of a sinking AdministratiOn.could ever have conjured up a doctrine so revolting to every ing of justice.--(Loud cheers.),--Mr. Tierney then proceeded- to read some - extracts' from the Journals of the House of Lords,-when he was called to order. Well then, he supposed We tight be allowed to say that heheard the Queen had been convicted of adultery by a - Majority, of -the House of Peers—that he boldly denied.. :was, most willing to admit, that *123 Peers did ,vote for the second reading of the Bill, but' never di4 pass t vote of guilt. He would ask the Noble Lord what was the necessity of stages through which a Bill must pass - if men were not allowed to change their minds ? In the House of Commons how frequently did Members vote for the second reading of a Bill, in the hope that something would bealone in the Committee to in duce them to vote for lho' third readinga but, not finding that the case, they have declined voting for the third reading ?. But here, in this moat extraordinary and anomalous case of the Queen, they were told, that the second reading of a Bill of Pains and Penalties amounted to a verdict of " guilty, upon my honour." If that Were to be the case, the most degraded wretch that lives una der the gov&nment of' Turkey enjCys'as-muth liberty, as, we do ; and this was the moral con viction of the prosecutors themselves, the very Ministers whose political existence depeuded 'on calumniating -their Queen.—(Lotad cheers.), ,Here we had an 'opportunity of estimating one of the blessings of our invaluable Constitution-- the Trial by Jury—which requires that the Jury shouhl be unanimous, and imposes aecressaa So that it could never be said to a man, CC True, -the .!ury have acquitted you ; but five of the Jurors .had a moral conviction on their minds that you (committed morder."—He would push . this case, no further, it must appear 'evident to any-Man that ever- opened a book, or,....aver, relleaed, on, the Constitution oi Etqlmat athat4.l raßb a ci-0 0 :tge were tolerated, there could , be no 'sec - titity T'or any ma in the country. But the Noble Lords seems to' think, that because he has not in conteniplrttion any fresh prOceedings - against the Queen, that dierefote her Majesty has nothing to -- coMplaitt of. But he (Mr. Tierney) affirtneda that-the whole tenor of that Noble Lord's- conduct was" ctll6t-; lated to cast a stigma on the Queen. He might: be permitted to advert to ah 'observation that fell from the Noble Lord opposite, respect. big another Noble Lord 'in another place,' who stated, that if the Bill did not- pass that House, the Queen was entitled to all tier 'lto troursa - dignities, and privileges. IloW. incur sistent was the treatment her Majesty received with that promise ?. a "-But," says 'the Noble. Lord, " we give her 50,0001. a year, and w hat a curious fellow yo:t are to complain."—This might do very' well coining from an • indivi dual who cared nothing about squandering, the public money ; lnithe hoped he did not -aft Un constitutionally, although. perhaps unpleasantly to the Noble Lord, when lie stated that he, as one of the guardians of the public purse, could not consent to grant away the. public money un til acquainted with the worthiness of the object. 'ln his judgment, the Queen stood in The 'most cruel situation in WhiCh any huMan being could . stand. She had gone. through the Whole_ of a trial, if so it might be called. Against - Bills of Pains and Penalties there were so Many object . tions, that he should' not mention any one of them: :Ile denied 'that there - was.. any Verdict until the Bill had obtained the Royall assent.—, And why, he should he glad to kno , w; -did the Bill not pass ! Out of respect, we are told, to the feea,,*a r as of the country, And would any man say that what Ministers are now doing was resit( ctful or congenial to the wishes of the people ? - The Peers of England had shewn more respect to the opinions of the people than their own Represen- . tatives. The Noble Lord had spoken of pro tests. And what are thee - protests? A 'majo rity was had for the itird reading, .containing his Majesty's Ministers and'the Lord CbaOcellor.. A curious circUmitance, occurred on that occa sion, which . he never expectedlt6 see or Lear. At 1 o'cloCk several voices were raised, 'Condemning, the Queen,and extolling in fire highest manner the proaeedings against her. In an hour after, a speech of a few short sentences induced these Noble Lords - to give it up, and he gavethe highest credit to these NOble Lords who preserved their consistency by: signing- those' protests. The real cause why that Bill did n'ot' pass- is, - that the Noble Lord felt a conVictiOd.oultis inind'that if it came down to the House, of Corm-lions, theme.: ment it was introduced 'it would. die an unnatural death.--(Hear !)—The Noble Lord stated;lhat he threw out no aspersions 'on her Majesty a but he thought that the circumstance of refusing to restore her name to the Liturgy was one of the foulest aapersions that could be cast upon her. The Noble Lord wishes ', to' be: tranquil. He . . (Yr. tierney)•had no doubt he did ;, be was sure that nothing Avould give him greater pleasure than tranquillity, and pernns•sion tO'eome dO4in ly to that House, and vote away the publiii nuiney withont any disturbance. Bt t, he would ask thoSe Gentlemen opposite to him, if, in their Opinion, the cours . e which the Noble,Lord wasnow ptit'suing was that whicli was best calculated to es6.lage the public mie.l? And if the HonSe of Comnions were tranquil, would that . , did they think, allay the delusion (as_ the Noble Lord expresses it) under which the people labett,r ? I f he could fort i to his mind any made by•WhiCh an individual, anxious to undermine the, public tran quillity, could best effeet his purpose, it certain ly was that course which Ministet's were pursuing, The Noble Lord vainly imagines that paying her Majesty 50,0001. a year will satisfy her mind. He honoured her Majesty for the Message she had sent that night ; it clearly sheaved that she preferred her character to any other 'considera tion. But he doubted whether, from the Speech, they were called. upiiti to grant any money.= He wished the Noble Lord would lay his finger on that part of the Speech • that called upon them to do so. His Majesty addresses the Parliament in the following words :- 44 It is for you to consider what provision shall be made for her Majesty, under the present rircumstan ces." Why, what can that mean, unless, indeed, that her Majesty having been tried and acquitted, is to be provided for acdordingly ?—(Cheeis.)— The Noble Lord had•sald, that, even if convicted, some maintenance should be allowed her. .In that assertion he (Mr. Tierney) concurred ; even if her Majesty had 'been convicted, still, considering her high station,. and the rank from which she had fallen, a comfortable allowance should be-made her for life. But, why, he would ask; grant her 50,0001. a year, why .grant such.a sum of the public money to this degraded, this tainted Queen? On that subject he was at a loss to forin an opinion ; but when asked, what pro vision should be made for an insulted, injured Queen; who had been tried and acquitted, then he could form a judgment, and say that lie thought it not enough.—(Cheers.)---The Noble Lord complains of the opposition that is given him, but s sd long as the Queen is deprived of her just and lawful rights, so long shall oppo sition be given to, him. On the subject .of the Liturgy, another„ motion shall and must be made. If another`motion were not made, they would net do their duty to the country-. (Loud cheering)-11e begged the Noble Lord to recollect the ecanlition in which the country stood. The people or-this country were far dif ferentamw from what they - had formerly been. — Let the 'Noble Lord remember the question that presented itself to the eyes . of. this enlightened people:. The simple question is, " Shall or shall not an acquitted Queen . have the benefit of that acquittal ?"—(Long and continued cheers.)—.On the night when the question was previously dis cussed, the question of adjournment was put at seven o'clock in the morning, and natuvally car ried. 'There were'.many could not' vote for the negative of •it ; some probably thought it meant to-convey:a ensure on Miuisters, Many could not vote for it, because they could not meet their former friends at their -chubs and soforth. But once done; in their opinion, it is' irrevocable. The dignity of . Ninisters would be lost if the E.(ll,mn e were restorers, but do what they will, her name Will be restored - to the 'Liturgy, and if he walked (rut 4)f That House with only ten Mem bers, on his side, and all the others opposed against him, still would he feel convinced that it Inust. be ;16neT.; . for the people had taken such a firtnitoid , olthe question, they entertain such an Utter .'Couterept and detestation for the perse •.eutors•of. the Queen, that they will never re= linqui • sh it. It should be the wish of a good and a wise _Administration to allay and not to irritate, the; feeling-of discontent that is abroad, and seeing that the Queen is acquitted, they should allow her the full and entire benefit of that acquittal.--(Loud and continued cheers.) Mr.,•Banitinsi‘ said, the' Right lion. Gentle man had excluded from his consideration the most material part of the speech Which affected 'the (been, and which stated the prevision for merly made for her, to have expired, and which of course made it, necessary that another should be made.' The 'Queen being at present without any pre\ isien whatever, the House would see what .was meant 'by - the words " present circum stances.'' He contended there was no difficulty as to form in the way of their 'proceeding to take the subject into consideration. The -kind of pre vision which it might be necessary:(O - make, he diSmissed altogether for the present,ai,that could only be properly discussed in .the Committee, The Right lion. Gentleman complained of the [node in whiCh his Noble Friend had referred to the proceedin4s hi the other douse Of Parlia ment. These were , now the property of the • country, and-night be • referred to by any one, and were therefore liable to lie commented upon. The Right Honourable Gentleman had com plained thaCthe 13111 of Pains and Penalties was spoken of, having only passed a second reading,' as if it had passed through all its stages. On • this imint . ;he - wished to meet the Right Hon. Gentlem • an. lie Must complain that this Bill had been assimilated unfairly to cOmmon.BillS. If a person Voted for a Bill on the second reading; he could not (unless it were altered in prin. , cipie in the Coadmittee) refuse to vote for it 'in a sttbseqUent stage. .T he second reading of the . Bill in question,' it should be remembered, had not been Moved till after a solemn inquiry into-the con duct Of her Majesty, and he contended that the way in r, which the Bill was disposed of at last, .could notamdo . what had previously been done. But, independently of that, he contended that the - HouFm had a right . to -look at the evidence given, and form an opinion for themselves. It w as :hots he ivonld take upon himself to say, that the publiC Would form their opinion. The Queen, he admitted; was entitled to her legal rights, as if no'prosecntion had taken place, but the inser tion of her name in the Liturgy was not one of them. If the sense of popular meetings were to • regulate their decisions he might be allowed Co state,'that at many meetings which had taken place,'petitions had 'been 'agreed to, expressing as much horrorlat holding up the Queen as an ob ject of favour, as other Petitioners could feel at the idea of an opposite course being pursued. it Was not necessarily a stigma on the (been that her name was net inserted in' the Littirgy. It veas admitted by the Right Hon. Gentleman himself, that whatever had been the result of the late proceedings, Parliament-' Waist have been called upon to make sortie pidvision for lierMa= jesty. 'Phis admitted; v/hat fair objection' could be urged to the course now taken ; NiTh6 - rilt - waa said on the part of her Majesty, " - I will have no provision unless yode the House of Commons, will undo your resolution ; unless . Some Member of the House, of Commons will move (what never' yet had been moved, .but which, he was happy to learn, there were some thoughts of moving oti the part of the Gentlemen opposite), " :that-my natrie shall be restored to the Liturgy," it was ,then for them to consider whether they should suffer themselves to be influenced by such'lan , 'guage. The question was not now what kind of provision should be made for her Majesty. That would be the subject of discussion in the Com mittee, but the question was, whether any provi= sion . at all should be made ; 'unless the House chose to be. dictated to by her Majesty herself, who in effect said, ". If you do not retrace your steps, and say that all that has been.done ought to be undone, and declare that my" character is not at all affected by the evidence which, has taken place, I will not respect any thieg that you may think proper to decide upon." Lord FOLKESTONE called upon the House for their. own sakes, for the sake of their COnsti tuents, and for the sake of the Country at large,. 'to pause before they proceeded further. • From the time the first message *as 'sent down about the queen, he had never ceased to deplore the part vrliich Ministers had thought it right to take. Every step had - ,but served to confirni him inure and more in the opinion he had originally held, as to the calamities which the agitation of this question Was likely to produce in the country, and he Would appeal to all that had taken place, 'if these discussions could now proceed: without producing the most mischievous con sequences.. He complained' 'of the speeches of the Noble Lord opposite, and in particular of the sarcasm, which he had uttered when in troducing the proposition for makine a pro vision for, the Queen while speaking of* the " allegiance of her subjects,'.' and the " tender interest" Which she had inspired. The Noble Lord (Lord Castlereagh) had talked of the un constitutional errors iuto which , her Majesty had fallen. This language was held by the organ of the Administration which had introduced the late Bill of Pains and Penalties, by a 'Ministry who, after abandoning it, denied the accused the benefit of an acquittal, and contended that a technical acquittal was a moral conviction ! He denied that it was clear that 1'23 Peers believed her Majesty to. be guilty of Adnitery: The'Pre , amble of the Bill set forth a, variety of acts, and the Peers who voted for the Bill might have thought her Majesty ought to be degraded for taking Bergami into. her service, - or for other acts charged, Without believing her to have committed adultery, Ile inquired why the Bill was not , pressed ? Why did not Alinisters take a technical cenvictio'n as well as a moral one ? I t ;vas becanse they were afraid of bringing the Bill to the House of Commons. lie tllniolit he had a riglat to State, as h e c o uld prov 9 it, to demonstratiOik, that 123 Peers in the House of Loeds had not voted for the Bill, in the conviction that the Quecul was guilty of adultery. ; But if it were so, it, was to overturn the general system - of Dui' jurisprudence, not to give a party acquitted, through a ,flaw in the indictment, or. any other circum stance, the -benefit - of an acquittal. 'That the House and Atinisters might have, time to re consider the subject; before they cane to Lde cision on the question - now before them, he moved as-an amendment, " that this House do now adjourn." n Mr. J. BRowN declared it had appeared to him to be the object 'of the Noble Lord to keep the matter now in debate perfectly clear of the question of the guilt or 'innocence of the Queen. When others were so angry, that those opposed to them considered the Queen guilty, he fhotip-ht he had as good a:right to 'complain of th eir ,assuming that she was innocent, -after 'a Bjl`l of Pains and Penalties had been brought in against ' her, and carried to the second reading. It had been stated by her most eloquent advocate' in the. Houso of Lords, that as she had virtually been found guilty,' he could not consent to-the Divorce clause being withdrawn. The Queen had been virtually convicted on the third reading, and yet it was contended that'she was now to be held up to the world with all the honours of the virtuous Queen Charlotte. He - objected to the proposed grant as extravagant and improper, seeing it went' to place on the same footing with,one - of the best and most virtuous Queens, one who (to say no more)' was More than suspected of not being quite so good. With these feelings, he should be happy to vote for a smaller sum. Th e House was about to divide, and the gal- - lery was nearly cleared, when Mr; I.4.tmu rose. He felt it necessary to offer a few words on the present motion. ✓ From the first agitation of this unfortunatelmsiness, his object had been, in the' first instance, to pr vent the proceedings which had taken place, and, in the next, to put a stop to them . as soon -as pos-. sible. rt was in this view that he had voted on a former evening in favour of the .motion of his N o-- b 1 e Friend for censuring - Ministers for leaving her Majesty's `name out of the' Liturgy, in the hope it'restored, and he should . be dis 3,oed of toh s a e t ee for any oth er motion that might have t object in view. lie wish e d not to t vote o.►a't'g dwell on the conduct of the. Queen. He thought it improper for any jtidgmentto be formed on it,but by those who had beard the evidence. lie mint however say; that the presumption was that she had been judged . properly:—(ll ear, hear It was to be remembered, that in 'the first in stance she had been offered 60,000/. per_annum and an honourable retreat.. • That was au offer which he had-expected her to eutbrace with gra titude ; and,. in hiszopinion, speaking with-respect to public feeling, and not_ to le-;!I cimsequencps, she might then have retired with •,nite as much