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any roes ear, bear.) amongst g that the List fir, or lose which m isun on to the [sit the re' :ad a third ROM ,ND NA' wings news had taken is of a tele ready esta or two he m-frigates' ?s and Pre' tecl. , at the of starting sed to hate rich, as ist Ipments up town, Wer e came upon , and seiz ed drag e ll ch a shor t , and were and el: ited thus r will no t t Trim, but, Ives for an ther killed ,tel v taking were kille d transactio n the French , out to be contented, d. The re: it o'clock a b fOreig nell. io attention gh the crew .pu, but tho he having ock to WO nmanded hi at Otaheitet French Go' the Govern' ziCO ) ..... ••• d r o , ..... 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The large worsted-spinning manufactory of M. L. Gouvy, T he Verviers, was totally destroyed by fire on the 28 th ult. damage is estimated at more than 100,000 f., but the Wilding was insured. Two brothers employed on the pre- . buses, and who were asleep in the garret, were burnt to death. Darcet, Member of the Institute, and Commissary-Ge neral of the Mint, died at Paris on Friday. A letter from the Marquesas Islands, dated March 4, given ;_n the 2Wmorial Bordelais, states that Governor Collet has been replaced by M. Favereau, Chef de Bataillon of the Ma rtlne Artill er y. The state of the island was not. very satisfac tory, The garrison had been compelled to subsist on salt pro ileienst procured from the vessels from Valparaiso. The r e°Ps were under canvass, as no barracks had yet been er ected. The roadstead of 'l'aiohae presented an animated scene. The Charte frigate, the Somme transport, a brig of W O, two French merchantmen, and three American whalers, were at anchor there. M. Camille de Pietro, Archbishop of Bertye, and Apostolic nneio to the Court of Portugal, has arrived at Paris from L"11c, on en route for England, whence he will embark for agb , Sir George Hamilton, acting as the English Charge d'Af faires during the absence of the Earl of Westmoreland,' is neg o t iating with Baron Bulow a treaty, whereby the mutual P u lleY literary works published in each kingdom will be Prevented. The Polish Colonel Radzizewski, one of the leaders of the ' l lurrection of 1831, died on the 31st ult., at Mentz. A letter from Genoa states that the King of Sardinia has E v enhis approbation to the company formed for executing othe railroad between Milan and that port. The small town of Chimay, in Belgium, where the remains of the ce l e b rated hi stor i an F ro i ssar t are buried, having re solved to raise a monument to his memery, the Khag of the lielgians has granted 1,200 f. towards the cost. LAW AND POLICE. The case of Herbert v. Day, tried at Guildford, was brought ," a close on Tuesday, when a verdict was entered for Mr. Day, on the ground that Bloodstone was three years of age, lad therefore not entitled to the stakes run for at the last "-scot Heath races. The Norwich assizes terminated on the sth. In the course „, the day the four prisoners, English, Fary, Powing, and Potter, were placed at the bar to receive sentence for the (t ittle of arson, of which the three first had been severally c k *und guilty, the last having pleaded guilty.. Mr. Justice Val, went into an explanation of each case then before and c onc l u d e d by sentencing English to fifteeen years' tran sportation, and the other prisoners to terms of imprison ittent varyi ng f rom three months to two years, according to e ,Peculiar features of the case. Shrewsbury assizes commenced on Monday. The fol 4-,''g is an analysis of the calendar, comprising 38 cases and t Prisoners :—Burglaries, 5 ; bigamy 1 slingg, 2 ; 3 ' Y' e ' ; concealment of birth, 1 ; ste from the person, 27.kaliciously wounding, 2 ; larcenies and minor offences, T h i Ce cases of interest was tried during the day. e a ; "e Chester assizes commenced on the same day. The endar contains 46 prisoners, of whom there are charged with arson, 1 ; bigamy, 2 ; burglary, 6 ; cutting and maim -6.'b',3 ; shooting with intent to murder, I ; highway robbery, pe 'h orse stealing, 5 ; housebreaking, 1; manslaughter, 6; e —r Y , ; rape, 3 ; stealing from the person, 2 ; unnatural t el :'"le, 1 ; and various offences, 9. This does not include a lege of a very serious nature, preferred against the Rev. t r • Cresswell, of Stockport, whose case excites the most in ense interest. seh j „,. °l 'n Wea ver aged 21, pleaded guilty to an indictment a Ring him with having fired a pistol at John Coyle, at o (iPton, with intent to murder e Learned Judge ered ; Judgment of death to be recorded against him, with intiinatiy n that he would certainly be transported for life. tbltt Worship -street Police-court a young man of respect he appearance who gave the name of Joseph Walker, but tr -se real name was ascertained to be Joseph Ingham, tit brought up for final examination before Mr. Bingham, on - Lged with having feloniously uttered two forged cheques ue London Joint-stock Bank, with intent to defraud Air. des Samuel, a bootmaker, in East-road, Hoxton. He was c ommitted. Alsery, the young woman who stands charged with krempting the murder of her two children and her own de- W ctie lt on the 29th ult., was brought before Mr. Clive at te ailulsworth for final examination. The Magistrate felt it r•-• ? e h .. is duty to commit the accused to Horsemonger-lane 6401 evi dently e said she should see her children. She was ,‘t(ileraaged. when she committed the offence. bla c k ""e hames Police-court Jane Skelton, the wife of a t _ smith, residing at No. 2, Bromley-place, BroTriley, was 87,1aeintitted to take her trial for cutting and wounding George her husband, with a poker. COtilirr—rassiormsszE. woco e Puke of Richmond, who arrived in town from Good inc„"„ an Saturday evening, left Portland-place yesterday Ileang for Glasgow, on his way to Gordon Castle. Lord s Y Gordon Lennox accompanies his noble father to eotl and. T he te n d Like of Beaufort has left town for Brighton, to at om will races at that place. His Grace returns on Thursday, ti.:rodlifle,.:ll Proceed, with the Duchess and other members of his to the Isle of Wight immediately. Ar chbishop of Canterbury arrived in town early yes- Wi n d s m orning from Addington Park, and was proceeding t . c, or ret a „ Castle, but having met the Bishop of London on his Ti, ;oin the Palace, his Grace did not pursue his jou t rney. o n 3, f larquis and Marchioness of . Aberc?rn came to own m ar etnday evening from the Priory. The Marquis and course mac re atexpeced to proceed to Scotland• in the Ch Tl i uf the present onh. , Marqui s and Marchioness of Ailesbury and Lord Tot tenham Bruce have left Grosvenor-square for their seat, Tot r-eenlnn_a,nl_P. a o. rk, _near Marlborough, Wilts, where they purpose time .U . nam e , about three months, at the expiration of which „it is probable that the Marquis and Marchioness will Pro ceed on a continental tour. t 0 leave Earl and Countess Delawarr and family are expected ''ve town for Buckhurst early next week 14 4 Z! Nesselrode has accepted an invitation from the at R ose Tiess of Londonderry, and will be present at her fete Sir Tliank to-morrow. hi3 v il la u Tpas Wilde gave an entertainment on Tuesday at e arnhir , riowes Manor, near Southgate, Middlesex, to Lord e l , Baroness Stratheden, Mdlle. D'Este, and a distin ed circle of visitors. It sass c Ex.xammous. tir o itso und erstood that the Judges will meet, upon their re ni the several circuits, on Monday, the 26th inst., to Tri alB* - r of their judgment on the writ of error in the State Th e • ous e of Judgment will probably be delivered in the T he Lords on the following Wednesday or Thursday. Pell! la ulination for Dudley takes place on Thursday, and itha i t mg on Friday. Mr. Benbow, Government candidate, are ~altawson, supported by the Anti-Corn-law League, Allwiu,V confident of success. °11 T 1 ,... A "?• Meeting was held in Finsbury chapel, Moorfields, t l 4lB or the purpose of considering the recent aggres l' the f esoi nti French in the island of Otaheite, and passing t esoloti n ` n3 uPon the subject. Among others, the following 4 , aed f, - , 11 was passed ;—" That tbe meeting felt that the i .,l l .eilee tti e and honour of Great Britain was compromised by Drot eec t ° Queen Pomare of the repeatedly solicited pledge ttbo ra ,..io,rl given by Mr. Canning in 1827, and by the Th e of the English naval force from Otaheita." ; 11 arci a l ,.'"ng in th e parish of St. Saviour's, Southwark, for a p'ate, clo se d on Tuesday, when it was found that the t i the r 8 We re equal, there being for the Bd. rate, 152 ; and v ote • rat h for Gti e , 1 52—0 n which the warden gave the casting h 4 PPy t ,„ ,'e Bd. rate, observing that he should have been . 4 ( 1 t o ,„ 'lave done with a 3d. or 4d. rate, but as the parish aur t , 3 : nearly 7001. to the Exchequer Loan Commission . - 001 y t. ,"tt, coupled with the necessary repairs, the rate, if mtB y eat ou'ilected, oldw only leave him at the expiration of °M ee, 42 pay over to his successor. Pay-11A.NCE AND h e p•. MOROCCO. Pzuly,i eninsula and Orienta i l ve S d tea a m t s N t a a v n i d g g a a ti t o e n .C C r o e m ek - Yesterdsteam-ship Tagus arrived N I , aY, at eight o'clock, whicha n ia ti s n t o p p o l r e t , sliel,,, Athens, Malta, and ib i r . f a r l e t m ar, 1144'1 on the 30th ult. Some of the Empe *as N . at Gibraltar at no il on eAr O G3l\ n li r a th . e e st9y 9t a h s o t f e J am ul e y r . He ti ) quie h-s tr oops en she left Tangle . rttir had entered the town, b . ut . h u ad h s a u d bs g e i r en en t t h ly e `4l,e,,d)ofroni it. The Prince de i s J t o F in r v id i ay e ) th e d r Until the 2d instant a Frenchtil(ontitittotisitilidssreornfsatihweonidto accede . to Tangier. within two days bombard Government, , a i n r d . D i n n im the .. eatile',43, her Majesty's Consul, The full„,, ) el Tangier on his return from as . Moroc .— co. Her a- Majesty's ,ships if i s et s e s ilsbi\ PsshVi P o a rm e i f da w b a l e r a w n e d re C a a t led G h o e i n b r i r a a , I a ta n r d " tw o plhi e „' At Tangier were ,-,a(liz 'n an d Warspite. The French squadron was in a eci,„,43'. s'steq s. ti e l f a. letter from the agent to Lloyd's, at Gibraltar, Is Si -1 1 7, 1844 • 110 rocer1"nring the present critical stateof faoffratinrsteiin itterlee ' l 4; 4 ', on your . side may be anxious Arl,„s t ere ar ulng the intended operations t o o f the v l i ' e r w en s ch otott ar t i ral th Pr 8 . 0 many repor .ii , at e nce de Joinvi e, that it is impossible ft 4 -er all Y correct conclusion. 1 I.lll4What I have been . ab f le in t i o ly l w ea e r r n e , w it it a h p d p r e a a w r i s i rote Tani ench Consul and his rote jolloers about the beginning of this week, but the gli l the e e e r r s s French ashoatsghee caused ue numerousisrneegd. i „ 11 getti ' u l or that nation, unfortunately, did a n n o d t s h u e c i c d ee a d s et - tlo b tir o ,soi s ci t ae. i : g d. 0 fi b T , ; ): :V s g te p pp r o e po v n e l n t t t e iho d en b po y afr t t h T e oafn l bare eyed to hostilitiees the Christian and Jewish h residents arr l son for rer c u e r. 4 for several days past flocking to t grurernac,tuersi'ein siderable numbers, which Iliad given birth ,r 4. cementcirculation to the (cruizis i r „ s, salt' Will be joined there by the inter e --- th e s . , fur 1e " :; 4 : : :111 0 3 1:: circulation, 3 I t r : I:itlypgoi n t r hi t ' r ae .o r : r t n 3 s A f)edafjo. that Majesty's s e a l protectionlshthipe Al Consulsbi o n of Warspite a eßa_ t Prr r a T si e rPt a ti g es n th : le credibl • 3hips anchor On board the Spanish and other fo i 11 d Tan ha b,,,„there, and it is said that two of them Cadiz been d ePuted b e consular corps to proceed to hi s i t ' where the French fleet is anchored, to submit . tar es °I 4I ri ighn e a s their wish, that no coercive mea . le alld, 41Y be a d o pted by • the squadron under his coz4na pail h urn of our Consul-General, Mr,soDrum isa_sexto- aft' ord ,PIY, upon his diplomatic mission to Fez, ti n Ve oPportunity of an amicable settlement of . _ t k it F gisputes, and also with a view that his life might ti„,ar endangered in a country in which the whole fana -4 population are under arms. 1% 4 ' 1 iS to be hoped that war between France and in c ' ec '' may yet be averted by the negotiations tioProgress, and that the Prince will not be hurried l,_ an y premature act of coercion, though, I fear, that e e nditions imfosed on the Emperor by the French, 41 1 4Y be s eh US 11S Majesty may, from circumstances ut Yowl 0 - Ina • • i s co ntrol, be unable to fulfil, however much ho 3 desir e to Comply. " To Arra. Dobso(Bn,igEnesdq)." " J. L. COWELL. Ajoxs.rta THAIrr.--This morning at half-past o clock, the train which started from London-bridge . for rizt,,•tlton consisted of forty-eight carriages, containing !i_l_:7c -7e.1 l!undred persons, and propelled engines. T . he :',laJority of them were parties going toßrighton Races Nytth ',ke cheap excursion tickets, theirh were issued this mornmg, And kill be continued during aces, at half the usual fares tek!A? tza..e. 4.4 trio ut • SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. IPERIAL PARLIA3IENT. (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Their Lordships met at Half-past Four o'clock. DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSES. Lord CAMPBELL gave notice that ht would to-mor row call the attention of their Lordships to a point of difference which . had arisen between the two Houses of Parliament—one of which was, an amendment in serted- in the Common Law Process • Bill, and the other was in the Common Law Courts of Ire land Bill, by which the appointment of the prothona tories and other officers of the Courts were to be vested in the Lord-Lieutenant, instead of in the Judges. He would advise their Lordships not to agree to those amend ments of the other House. The Merchant Seamen's Bill was read a third time; and on the question that the Bill do pass, The Earl of HADDINGTON moved an amendment, which be said should have been made before, but that, as it involved a question of money, it was thought that there would be an objection to it elsewhere. He now found that the objection would not be raised, and he, therefore, moved the addition of the clause by way of amendment. _ _ _ After a few words from Lord COLCHESTER and Lord CoLviLLE, the amendment was agreed to, and the Bill was passed. Messengers from the House of Commons brought up several Bills. I. I IIE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, ATOGUST 7, 1841. OTAHEITE. The Marquis of NORMA NBY gave notice that he would to-morrow present a petition from Leeds on the subject of Otaheite. But he did not wish to raise any discussion upon the subject. THE CHARITABLE DONATIONS AND BEQUESTS (IRELAND). BILL Lord WHARNCLIFFE moved that the amendments orthe Cimmons be agreed to. Lord HATHERTON highly approved of the Bill. But he was not disposed to go with the House of Com mons the whole length of their amendments. After some conversation the amendments were agreed to. A message from the Commons informed their Lord ships that the House had given permission to the Earl of Lincoln to attend and give evidence before the Com mittee of Post-office Inquiry. Mr. Greene and others brought up from the Commons several Bills. A conference %as appointed between the two Houses on the subject of the Commons' amendments on the Coni mon Law Courts (Ireland) Bill. The report upon the Poor-law Amendment Act was brought up and the amendments were agreed to. The Lords appointed to confer with the Commons on the Common Law Courts (Ireland) Bill, reported to the House that the Commons disagreed with their Lordships' amendments, and gave the reasons assigned in writing. On the motion of Lord CAMPBELL the Commons' reasons were ordered to be printed. The Arms Bill (Ireland) went through Committee. On the order of the day for the Committee upon the Irish Fisheries Bill being read, The Earl of WICKLOW moved the rejection of the clause which takes away the power of appeal to the magistrates at quarter fessions. The Earl of GLENGALL supported the Bill. The Marquis of NORMANDY said that if this Bill had not been introduced by the Irish Secretary it would never have reached their Lordships' House. The Bill introduced three important innovations. The first was the employment of the constabulary in the prevention of poor fishermen from exercising their calling. The second innovation was the proposed mode of appeal, which would place justice almost out of the reach of the poorer class of fishermen. He objected, thirdly, to the circumstance that a Bill of that importance was introduced to that House without their Lordships being informed as to whether or nbt it was to be dealt with as a Government measure. —(Hear.) (LEFT SITTING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. (Continued from our Afternoon Edition.) INSOLVENT DEBTORS' BILL. On the motion for the third reading of this Bill, Mr. KEMBLE presented a ix tition from Bermond sey against the measure. The petitioners prayed that the operation of the Bill, if passed, might not be extended to debts incurred before its enactment. Mr. MONCKTON MILNES proposed to insert the followir 6 , clause:—" And whereas, since the 11th day of November, 1842, the duties of taxing master in the Court of Bankruptcy have been performed by one of the deputy-registrars of the said Court, and the duties of such deputy-registt ar have been performed by Thomas Acton Warburton, Esq., Barrister-at-Law; be it enacted, that such person shall be paid by the Governor and Company of the Bank of England, out of the fund placed to th.: credit of the Accountant in Bankruptcy, intituled, The Secretary of Bankrupts' Account,' such remunera tion for his servic )s, not exceeding eight hundred pounds, as the Lord Chancellor shall think reasonable, and by his order in writing shall direct." The facts of the case were these :—Mr. Richardson, who had been registrar in Mr. Commissioner Evans's Court, had since 1842 acted as taxing master in Bankruptcy, and Mr. Warburton had performed the duties of deputy-registrar in Mr. Commissioner Evans's Court without remuneration. The Lord Chancellor was of opinion that under the pro visions of the Act of 1842 he had no power to award Mr. Warburton compensation, but the present motion was made with the concurrence and approval of the Lord Chancellor. Mr. BICKI-lAM ESCOTT seconded the motion. Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that the Lord Chan cellor had had nothing to do with the original appoint mmt of Mr. Warburton, who had been selected by Mr. Commissioner Evans as deputy-registrar. It ap peared to him it was a speculation on the part of Mr. Warburton, which had turned out a bad one, and he had now abandoned it, not having performed the duties for two inonths. It had appeared to him that the best thing would be to confirm Mr. Richardson as taxing master, and to appoint Mr. Warburton registrar; but things had assumed, since he last addressed the House, a different aspect. The Lord Chancellor had promised the office to a gentleman whos 3 case Lad ben brought before the House by the Hon. Member for Liskeard—a gentleman who had been deprived of his office by the Act regulating the Court of Exchequer, without compensation. He had at the time admitted that the ease was -a hard one, and had pledged himself to consider it favourably. That gentleman was Mr. Lee, ani to him the Lord Chancellor had promised this office. Under these circumstances, although he d d not like the principle of barristers performing the duties of public offices on speculation, yet he must admit that Mr. Warburton had performed his duties most efficiently, and he would leave the proposition in the hands of the House. Mr. C. BULLER, expressed his approval of the kind and considerate way in which both the Right Hon. Gentleman and the Lord Chancellor had acted in the case of Mr. Lee. With regard to the case of Mr. War burton, it could hardly be called a speculation. It was clear that the duties must be performed, and Mr. War burton had undertaken them under the express sanction of the Lord Chancellor. Parliament had sanctioned the experiment, and having so sanctioned it, was it fair to take Mr. Warburton's services for a year and a half without remuneration? If they could arrange so as to give Mr. Warburton the promise of an office it would be the best arrangement, but they had no right to put such conditions on the Lord Chancellor, and therefore he should support the motion. Sir R. PEEL considered that Mr. Warburton had a fair claim to remuneration. Under ordinary circum stances he would have most probably been appointed to an office under the Act, but the House had heard how that office had been disposed of. He thought the claim of Mr. Warburton to remuneration was clear, and he should give the motion his cordial support. Mr. HAWES said the arrangement was one which had conduced to the public benefit, and he, therefore, considered Mr. Warburton was fully entitled to compen sation. _ _ Mr. R. YORKE considered Mr. Warburton had taken up this office as a speculation, without proper authority, and he should certainly take the sense of the House against the clause. WAKLEY would support the Hon. Gentleman if he divided against the clause. The principle was so obnoxious, aiad it opened such a door to corruption that he certainly thought they ought not to sanction it. This gentleman had undertaken it as a speculation, for there were no funds out of which he could be pt!id.. Mr. M. MILNES thought there were funds. Mr. WAKLEY—Then he had made a mistake. As a lawyer he ought to have known better, and he ought to suffer for his ignorance. The principle sought to be es tablished was a most dangerous one. Sir J. GRAHAM explained. Mr.-B. ESCOTT did not vote for this motion as a case of compensation ; he voted for it as payment for la bour done. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL admitted that his first impression had been adverse to the claim of Mr. War burton, but when he considered the case, he thought it probable that Mr. Warburton might have been induced to believe that the Lord Chancellor had power to award him compensation, and he really thought that Mr. War burton was fairly entitled to compensation. Mr. lIENLY thought the Lord Chancellor had just as much power to give Mr. Warburton a berth now as he ever had. It struck him as a speculation, and if he had any claim it ought to have been brought forward by the Government Oa their own responsibility. Mr. MONCKTON MILNES replied. Strangers m ere then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared— For the clause 44 Against it Majority in favour of the clause 39 The clause was then agreed to, and ordered to be added to the Bill. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL then moved certain verbal alterations in various clauses. Mr. SPOONER moved, as an amendment, that the operation of the fifty•fourth and fifty-fifth clauses should be postponed until the month of March. He was aware that he was occupying a very un gracious position in appearing there to advocate the continued imprisonment of various poor debtors now waiting for their liberation. He objected to the clause because it - would inflict a great injury on industrious artisans in large towns. He admitted that the state of discipline in small debt prisons was bad, but they ought not to pass a measure of this nature merely on account of local mal-administration in prison discip line. He cautioned the House against attempting to remedy one evil by calling a greater one into existence. If this Bill came into operation at once it would be impossible for the labouring man to get credit, and credit was necessary to his subsistence. and it would certainly greatly palliate the evil to which the labouring classes would be exposed by this Bill to defer its coming into operation until the month of March, in order to give them time to prepare themselves for the change which was about to come upon them. To show the beneficial operation of the power of ordering imprisonment being conferred on Courts of Requests, and the small amount of imprisonment actually inflicted, he would state to the House that since 1808 the number of cases in Courts of Requests throughout England had amounted to about 4,000 annually, the number of execu tions amounted to about from 1,000 to 1,200, and the num ber of persons imprisoned amounted b only 150 annually. He had presented a petition from the Chamber of Com merce of Bristol, pressing the necessity of delay ; peti tions to the same effect bad been presented from Man chester, from the shopkeepers of Southwark, and other places, and the} all prayed for delay. If this Bill were carried in its present shape, it would inflict a great in jury on the large body of tradesmen who had given credit to the labouring classes on the faith of the law continuing in its present state. He had received various letters from different tradesmen, who complained that if the power of imprisonment was taken away, they would be deprived of the security on which they had given persons credit. As they diminished the fear of im prisonment, they took away the stimulus to pay. The House had had no opportunity of examining the evidence upon which the House of Lords had decided in favour of this Bill. He should have liked to have had a Committee of Inquiry before the House decided in favour of this Bill, for although those who had intro duced it were perfectly competent to decide upon general principles, yet they did not possess that practical know ledge of the subject which would enable them properly to legislate upon it. It would be a dangerous experiment to change the system of credit so suddenly as it was proposed to change it by this Bill, and he besought the House to pause before they acceded to the Bill. He concluded by moving that in the 54th clause the words "from and after the passing of this Act" be omitted, and the words " from and after the 25th of March next" be substituted for them. Mr. KEMBLE seconded the motion. This was an ex post facto'law against the creditor, by depriving him of the security of imprisonment, on which security he had given his debtor credit. He had returns from a Court of Requests for the year 1839. In that year, 5,682 causes had come on for hearing ; 2,543 executions had been issued against the person, and only 25 against the goods: 1,741 of those executions had not been carried into effect ; 990 of the persons taken had been discharged before the terms of their imprisonment had expired, and 478 only had suffered the full period of the imprison ment. It was well to consider the case of debtors, but creditors ought to be considered also. Mr. H. BERKELEY had presented a petition against the Bill which had been agreed to at a most respectable meeting of tradesmen in Bristol ; bat after the statement of the solicitor-General and the Right Hon. Baronet, he was convinced that legislation was necessary, and that he could not hope for delay. He had stated as much at the time, although he had stated his ob;ections to certain clauses. He thought it would be advisable that some little delay should be interposed before the Bill came into operation ; but if the Government were determined that the Bill should come into immediate operation, he would advise the lion. Member for Birmingham to withdraw his motion. If he persevered in the motion, he (Mr. H. B.), although he wished for delay, would be compelled to vote a g ainst him, for he believed it would be be a greater evil to lose the Bill than to have it come into immediate operation. Sir J. GRAHAM bad never heard a fairer speech than that of the Hon. Member for Bristol. He be- lieved that if the measure ought to come into ope ration at all, it ought to come into operation imme diately. With regard to the working classes, it was said that the Bill would entirely deprive them of credit. If that were the case, it could make no dif ference to them when the Bill came into operation. He could not think that legitimate credit would be at all narrowed. Many were annually imprisoned, without he believed much benefit to the creditor and to the system of credit. With respect to the shopkeepers, he could think of nothing more unwise than the measure proposed by the Hon. Gentleman. Every creditor during that six months would pursue his unhappy debtor to the utmost, as the gaols would be crowded, and the amount of misery which would be inflicted would be appalling. The Bill gave the creditor a remedy against the property, and if the debtor gave up all his property. what more could the creditor require?—(Hear, hear.) No doubt it was a shorter and more summary process to sieze the person than the goods of the debtor ; but it was most unjust in cases where a debtor had no property to apply the torture of im prisonment, in order to extort from his relations and friends the means of paying debts which they were not morally or legally called upon to liquidate. The Bill was supported by the Members for the Tower Hamlets, Finsbury and Lambeth, and the consti tuencies of those place were shopkeepers and not debtors. The measure had been well considered, and had received the highest legal support. It was approved of by the Lord Chancellor and the ex-Chancellors, by Mr. Justice Wightman, by the Chief Baron, by the law officers of the Crown— all the authorities were in favour of it. The .case of Scotland, too, was a case in point. There the power of imprisonment for small debts had been abolished, and although that measure had been opposed by the same arguments as this' measure was opposed, yet it was now admitted that the system had worked well in Scotland, so that they had authority and experience in favour of this measure. He was persuaded that in exercising greater caution in re spect of credit, the retail shopkeepers would be conduct ing their business on a safer and better system, and the poorer classes would be benefited by being freed from the system of extortion practised on their relatives and friends by the system of imprisonment. He therefore pressed upon the House the necessity of rejecting the motion. Mr. NE WDEGATE thought it would not operate favourably on the morals of the poorer classes that they should be permitted to evade the guarantee of their liberty which they had given to enable them to procure the means of subsistence. He should vote with the Hon. Member for Birmingham. Mr. BROTHERTON could not bring his mind to the conclusion that it would be wise to adopt the motion of the Hon. Member for Birmingham. The arguments of the Honourable Member were against the principle of the measure, and not in favour of delay, and the House was almost unanimous in its approval of the principle. Mr. HAWES said the Hon. Member for Surrey had given some accounts respecting the Court of Requests in Surrey, and the number of cases brought under the consideration of that court. The Hon. Member, how ever, said nothing about the costs which were incurred in that court, and which were, he understood, enormous. He (Mr. Hawes) contended that the present system of imprisonment was not beneficial to the creditor ; on the contrary, it was greatly to his disadvantage. That system was only calculated to feed revenge in relentless creditors without producing any beneficial result. Under these ... circumstances he could not support the motion of the Hon. Member for Birmingham. - Mr. HARDY could not see why imprisonment for debts under 201. should be abolished any more than for debts amounting to 401. or 501. He should support the motion of the Hon. Member for Birmingham, believing that delay . was necessary, in order that small shop• keepers might make themselves acquainted with the provisions of this measure. When a poor man asked for credit, he said, "I have no goods, but, if I do not pay, you can imprison me." It was, therefore, unjust to abolish the present system. Mr. WAKLEY would put it to the Hon. Gentleman whether such a system of credit was founded on a good basis. No, it was not—it was most injurious and de moralising. The only sound basis for credit for the poor man was good conduct and good character. The Honourable Member for Southwark (Mr. Humphery) had just told him that a great number of persons were confined for debt in the Compter prison, and the highest debt was 9s. Was not that a disgrace to a country like this ? The present system was only calculated to feed revengeful feelings ; and if they were to continue it, that House, instead of being called the House of Com mons, ought to be called the house of Shylocks. For the sake of the working classes he was quite con tent to receive this Bill. He believed it would be bene ficial to the shopkeepers themselves. The Hon. Mem ber would serve his constituents much better by allowing bis motion to be negatived without a division, instead of being left in a small minority. As the House had deter mined by large majorities that the principle of the Bill should be adopted, he hoped the Bill would come into operation the moment it had received the Royal assent. Mr. SPOONER . said he should be content to let his motion be negatived without a division. Mr. I'. DUNCOMBE concurred in what had fallen from his Hon. Colleague, and reminded the Hon. Member for Birmingham that it was that town which had taken the lead in the opposition to the system it was sought to abolish. The motion was then negatived without a division, and the Bill read a third time and passed. ART-UNIONS. _ _ , Mr. WYSE moved the further consideration of the Lords' reasons for rejecting the amendments of the Com mons in the Art-Unions Bill Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said the object of his Hon. Friend was to insist on these amendments being retained. The Lords were not satisfied that the parties origi nating these Fine Arts distributions had acted like the Art-Unions in ignorance of the law. But they had followed in the footsteps of the Art-Unions, and when among the share holders and patrons were such men as the Duke of Cambridge and Lord Denman, how could they imagine that they were breaking the law ? The House, he un derstood, was to meet to-morrow, and, if necessary, he should have no objection to a postponement of the question. After a few words from the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, Mr. WAKLEY said, till the Art-Unions were stopped by the Government, no one was aware that they were illegal ; and it was on the faith of their being legal that the parties alluded to by his lion. Colleague had commenced their proceedings. He was perfectly wil ling to leave the matter in the hands of the Govern ment, confident that full protection would be given to all parties. Mr. B. ESCOTT was not sure there was not a dis tinction between the two cases. Art-Unions were es tablished for the encouragement of art without a view to the profit of individuals, whereas the other was that of individuals engaging in lotteries with a view to profit. Mr. ACKLAND said the parties had been driven into the course they had taken, in consequence of the loss the Art-Unions caused them, in self-defence. Sir J. GRAHAM said, as this was a question of in demnity for the past, he thought both parties ought to have an equal benefit from it, as they had both acted in ignorance of the law ; at the same time, it would be for the Government to consider whether the use of lotteries, either by - companies or individuals, should be tolerated in fathre. As far as he could promise it, the Members of the Government in the other House would support the suggestions of the Hon. Mem ber for Waterford. The amendments were then ordered to be sent back to the Lords for consideration. A mess&ge from the - Lords brought up several Bills. On the motion of Mr. T. DUNCOMBE, the follow ing return was ordered, namely, A raurn of the name of every person employed in the General Post-office, vv ith the date of each appointment, the nature of the duties performed by each individual, the amount of salary at tached to such duties, the fund from which such salary is paid, distinguishing what portion, if any, is derived from fees. Also, a similar return from the General Post-office, Dublin. SAVINGS' BANKS. The Lords amendments to the Savings' Banks Bill was agreed to, after a few observations from Mr. llumE and the CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER. MEDICAL PRACTICE. Sir J. GRAHAM moved f►r leave to bring in a Bill for the better re:;ulation of Medical Practice throughout the United Kingdom. The Right Hon. Baronet warmly complimented the medical profession in this country for the high professional position they held in science, and then stated the various legal operations under which the duties of the 'profession were now carried on. The object of the present Bill, however, was to amend many of the provisions of the present imperfect law. To put down quackery was hopeless,:but. he thought en couragement ought to be given to the clever man. He proposed no restriction to private practice.—(Hear.) His principle was this, that none should be eligible to fill medical or surgical offices except those who were declared to be so . by compe tent authority. He proposed by this Bill to repeal all acts and charters which imposed restrictions on the medical profession. The most important feature of the Bill was the establishment of a Council of health in the metropolis indirect connection with the executive Government. The composition of the Council of Healh he proposed to be this:—The Regius Professor of Medicine in Oxford, the Regius Professors of Physic in Cambridge, Edinburgh, Glasgow, and Dublin;" one.phy sician and surgeon, chosen by the College of Physicians in England, and one physicinn in Scotland and Ire land. Then, in addition to this, six persons were to be appointed by her Majesty, with the advice of her Privy Council, and of those six one was to be a physi cian of the English rural districts, and one a surgeon. One physician and one surgeon were to retire annually, but he proposed that they should be eligible for re-election, with the consent of the Crown. He then proposed that the Council should have a Society in London, and also in Scotland and Ireland. lie then proposed to have a register kept of all the phy swims and surgeons ; that the present bodies should have power of granting licenses, but it should be at the option of the Council of Health whether they would register them or not, and every person that was not re gistered could not hold any public situation. [LEFT SPEAKING.] EXTENSIVE FIRE and LOSS of LIFE MANCHESTER, TUESDAY.—A serious calamity by fire occurred here late last night, by which a largo new pile of warehouses, and their valuable contents have been entirely destroyed. The property in question, known as the Irwell-buildings, is, or lather was, situate at the corner of Blackfriars-street and Parsonage, and comprised the warehouses of Messrs. Robert Charlton and Sons, calenderers and packers, and Mr. Richard Rostron, merchants; also those of Mr. Garser, M. Henri Jacquet, Mr. M. Ralli, Mr. H. Fiescher, Mr. J. Heisted, and Mr. Mendel, all foreign merchants. The warehouses were six stories in height, had been but recently built, and, like all those of modern construction in this town, contained a great quantity of wood. The fire was first discovered about 20 minutes after 10 last night, by the policeman on duty, and also by a man named Wm. Choriton, of Salford, a tripe-dresser, who was passing at the time. It was then confined apparently to one window in the third story of Messrs. Charlton's warehouse, in some parts of which the hands were at work at the time. It is remarkable that about ter minutes before the attention of the police had been drawn to the premises, and all then appeared perfectly safe. A little after six this morning a circumstance occurred which proved fatal to one of the men in the employ of Messrs. Charlton. In the rear of that part of the premises occupied by Messrs. Jacquet and Fiescher was what is called a cat-head, an instrument used for hoisting goods from carts into the third and fourth story. The woodwork being burnt away from it, it was expected to fall, and the men were cautioned to keep away from tne spot. John Irving, a joiner in the employ of Messrs. Charlton, and Thomas Jackson, a packer, were, however, on the spot when the " cat-head " fell. Jackson was severely wounded in several parts of the head and body, and Irving was killed on the spot. Up to this hour (11 A.m.) the engines continue play ing on the smouldering embers. The wa ll next Black friars-street is still standing, as are porti ons o f each of the other walls, and also a very tall chimney at the south-west corner of the building, which is almost en tirely unsupported, and which has a very threatening appearance. At present all the thoroughfares round the place are stopped. The aggregate loss will probably not be less than 20,0001. The building had only been erected two or three years, and most of the warehouses were well stored with goods. THE FATAL ACCIDENT AT WOR CESTER. The following are additi — onal particulars of the sad occurrence, announced in The Sun yesterday.— It appears that shortly after six o'clock (the hour at which the men usually quitted their work), 15 of them, who were working on the side of the river opposite to the city, entered a small boat, for the purpose of rowing to the contrary side, and near to which a great portion of the works are going on; no sooner had the unfortu nate men entered the boat than (as -was seen by some persons from a distance) it was apparent it was too heavily laden, and, as if by some fatality, or from an al most complete disregard of life which men in this walk of life generally exhibit, no sooner had they quitted the bank of the river, than, either not being aware, or altogether regardless, of the danger to which they had subjected themselves in having so much overladen the boat, they gave , way to their usual mirth and frolic, and in an instant, and before they had reached the middle of the river, which is scarcely at this spot more than 15 yards wide, the boat capsized, and every man was, of course, precipitated into the water. The occurrence was seen' by some of the labourers at the works, and assistance procured as speedily as possible. Meantime the poor fellows (only three or four of whom were swimmers) struggled in the water, and strove in vain to bear up against the rapidity of the current. The spec tacle of human beings struggling in the, water is de scribed by an eye -witness as one of the most heart rending description. By the time the boats had reached the spot three-fourths of them had sunk to rise no more. Three only of the party were saved, and these, when taken from the water, were in the most exhausted state; but, the propor means having been taken, they were, after a time, restored. A few minutes after this another - , of these ill-fated men was taken from the water ; he was conveyed to a public-house a short distance from the spot, and, although every possible means were resorted to, he died a short ti me a f terwards. By this time hundreds of the inhabitants had congre gated near the spot, numerous boats were launched, and the river dragged, in -Order to recover the bodies of those who had disappeared ; but the rain was falling rapidly, the wind blowing strongly, and for upwards of an hour their search was not attended, with success. About nine o'clock, however, four more of the bodies were disco vered, and shortly afterwards a fifth, but life was, of course, extinct. The search was continued until long after dark; but at the time our correspondent writes (midnight) no more of the bodies had been discovered. Durino , the time the se arc h was going on t h e scene on the banks ' of the river baffles description—a father was raving almost frantically after his son, who bad thus been suddenly snatcliked from him ; and as there was consi derable uncertainty as to the names of the men who were in the boat, wives and even children were threading the assembled crowd in die most painful excitement- in search of husbands and of tethers. DEPARTURE OF TEE KING OF SAXONY. (From the Edinburgh Courant of Monday.) now taken his depllairstursrfeajfersotmy i t h h e e l ß Ci r n it g is o li f d S o a m x i o nL y n it s. as After a stay un exampled in the modern movements of Monarchs, and which, we trust, indicates the gratification he has de rived from his sojourn, he closed his tour of the island yesterday (Sunday) with the Scottish metrorolis. On 'Saturday he embarked, about eleven o'clock, in Lord Wilfon's schooner yacht, for Aberdour, and for a cruise in the Frith. Lord John Scott, in his yacht, the Lufra, accompanied his Majesty , in his progress. The royal party returned about half - past three, and ,his Ma y drove up(Edinburgh), and in the most unostentatiouse ter o lunch. t o t o town mannerproceeded This to the Roy a l Hotel, where e he asdone with so little parade, that it was almost by accident the inmates re cognised him. His Majesty then drove out to Roslin, and on alight ing at the inn an interesting scene took place. Several parties of ladies and gentlemen from Edinburgh and the neighbourhood were at Roslin, enjoying the beauty of the country ; and when the Royal carriages arrived the whole turned out, formed a circle round his Majesty, and greeted him with hearty acclamations, which the King emirteously returned. His Majesty then pro , and from the chapelceeded t t h o ey vie:v .alk t e h d e t e c ha g pe a l wt a i n lc d rca ca e s c tle mi nutely inspected. Returning to which they Roslin, they entered Majesty at dinner. Y 9 where a distin gthuei s carriage t y a w n d as inviteddrove to tc D m a e l e m t a h h i s o Yesterday (Sunday), at eleven o'clock, his Majesty and suite attended the Catholic chapel in Broughton street, and, after the sevices, entered a carriage and four, and drove down to Granton-pier, where his Majesty was received by Sir William Bain. The Lightning steamer, sent down by Government for his Majesty's use, was brought to, and the steps leading from the pier to the vessel were covered with crimson cloth. Mr. List, and a party of the county police, kept the pier, and lined the passage to the steamer. Hi s M a j e sty was accompanied by his noble host, the Earl of Morton, and by the members of his suite. Soon after his Ma jesty went on board the Lightning got under weigh, and proceeded for Hamburgh, where the King will disem bark en route for his dominions. The steamer is under the command of Commander Roberts and Lieutenant Southey, brother to the late pout laureate. TUESDAY NIGHT'S GAZETTE. SECOND NOTICES. C, Clifford, plumber, Notinan-street, St. Luke's, Aug. 10, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee. J. B. Harwood, Bistern-place, Poplar, August 19, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee. G. Heffill, tailor, Chenies-street, Bedford-square, August 12, at one. at the Court of Bankruptcy. Pennell, official assignee. C. E. Castle, commission agent, Princes-square, St. George in-the- East, lAug. 12, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee. J. Puttman, fishmonger, Northampton, Aug. 12, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Turquand, o ffi cial assignee. C. Harding., schoolmaster, Bartholomew-close, West Smith field, Aug. 20, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Groom, official assignee. E. M. Hague, Richmond, Surrey, Aug. 12, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Graham, official assignee. C. Pashley, plumber, Rayleigh, Essex, Aug. 20, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Edwards, official - assignee. G. Simmons, commercial traveller, Brighton, Aug. 10, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Follett, official assignee. George Brodie, comedian, Craven-buildi n g s , D rur y -lane, Aug. 10, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Follett, official assignee. James Maley, carpenter, Bromley, Middlesex, Aug. 10, at eleven, at the Court of Bankrutpcy. Follett, official assignee. J. Pratt, straw-bonnet blocker, Dunstable, Bedfordshire, Augu 10, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee. S. Dainton, plumber, Bermondsey-street, Bermondsey, August 12, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, official assignee. H. R. Woad, philosophical instrument-maker, Tibberton square, Islington, Aug. 10, at eleven, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Follett, official assignee. J. Williams,. silk-dealer, Selater-street, B e th na l- green , Aug. 12, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Follett official assignee. A. G. Hamilton, agent, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Aug. 26, at half-past eleven, at the Newcastle-upon-Tyne District Court. Baker, official assignee. R. Copley, cowkeeper; Sheffield, Aug. 9, at eleven, at the Leeds District Court. Fearne, official assignee. T. C. Fletcher, schoolmaster. Ilkeston, Derbyshire, Aug. 12, at half-past ten, at the Birmingham District Court. Whitmore, official assignee. DIVIDENDS. At the Court of Bankruptcy, Basinghallistreet. J. Peel, C. Harding, and W. Willock, cotton manufac turers, Tamworth, Staffordshire, Aug. 27, at half-past twelve —B. and S. Vanderplank, woollen drapers, Saville-row, Bur lington-gardens, Aug. '27, at one—T. Green, bill broker, Ab church-lane, Aug. 27, at twelve—W. B. Edridge, coach maker, Long-acre, Aug. 27, at half-past eleven—J. R. de Alzedo, merchant, Bank-buildings, Aug. 27, at eleven. CERTIFICATES to be granted, unless'eause be shown to the contrary, on the day herein-mentioned. J. Carpenter, surgeon, Bothwell, Northamptonshire, Aug. 29—P. J. Papillon, wine merchant, Leeds, Aug. 30—N. Procter, tanner, Leeds, Aug. 29 —G. Parker, spade manufac turer, Sheffield, Aug. 29—J. Mayn, merchant, Mylor, Corn wall, Aug. 29—T. Westreu, maltster, Brushford, Devonshire, Aug. I5—T. Kearsley and T. Watt, bone merchants, Run corn, Cheshire, Aug. 29—J. Falkingham, bacon factor, Brad ford, Yorkshire, Aug. 27 —J. Taylor, miller, Carlisle, Cumberland, Aug. 27-I'. Newton, cattle dealer, Holbeach, Lincolnshire, Aug. 27—W. Parson, grocer, Southampton, Aug. 27—J. S. Tolson, fancy cloth manufacturer, Hudders field, Yorkshire, Aug. 27—W. Chamberlain, linen draper, Peckham, Aug. 27—C. Nichols, bookseller, Wakefield, York shire, Aug. 27. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. T. A. Baucutt and H. W. Sanders, chemists, Stourport, Worcestershire—B. and J. Berry, cotton dyers, Huddersfield, Yorkshire—J. and R. Simpson, tobacco manufacturers, Leeds —C. Ward and R. Fearnley, copper smiths, Houndsditch— B. Field, W. Field, and B. Field; jun., wine merchants, St. Mary-axe—A. Wilkin and E. Preston, ship brokers, Liverpool —E. P. White, S. Edkins, and J. C. Edkins, tea dealers, Coventry-street, Westminster (so far as regards E. P. White) — A. Waters and W. Kane, surgeons, Exmouth—M. Humble and T. Milcrest, ship builders, Liverpool—J. and L. Winder, plumbers, Manchester—J. Burrows and J. Blakey, pawn brokers, Leeds—C. Albino, A. Mazzuki, and J. Mantora, pic ture-frame makers, Union-court, Holborn-hill (so far as re gards J. Mantora)—R. Edmonds and T. T. Fawcett, mer chants, Trump-street, City—W. and J. Williams, wine mer chants, Aleester, Warwickshire—J. and W. S. Shuttleworth, tea dealers, Nottingham—H. Puplett and W. Jackson, woollen drapers, Stockport, Cheshire—W. Miller and W. M'Kinley, engravers, Manchester. SCOTCH SEQUESTRATION. JOSEPH RANSON, glass merchant, Perth, Aug. 13 and Sept. 3, at one, at the chambers of Gray and Jamieson, Perth. _ . IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, August 6. COMMON-LAW PROCESS—CONFEttENCE. Mr. PRINGLE here appeared at the bar and stated that the House of Lords wished a conference upon the Courts of Common Law Process Bill. A conference was agreed to, which several Hon. Members were appointed to conduct. After an absence of some length the members of the conference returned, and Mr. PRINGLE stated that they had had a conference with their Lordships, and had left the reasons, disagree.. ing from their Lordships' amendment, with the members of the conference appointed by their Lordships. Another conference with the Lords was then ap pointed on the Art-Unions Bill. Mr. WYSE returned, and stated that their Lordships refused to agree to the clauses which gave protection to certain publishers named in the Bill. The Hon. Gen tleman stated, in his opinion, that these clauses ought to be retained. Protection had been given to persons against whom qui tam actions had been brought, and he thought it was not too much to ask for protection for these eminent puhlishers. He therefore moved that the House do insist on its amendments. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not think it would be politic to put this question at issue. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said, that if the Government thought these amendments were just, they ought to do all in their power to have them carried. He thought the House ought to insist upon these amendments. After a few observations from the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and Mr. BERNAL, Sir R. PEEL hoped that the result of their differences would not be the loss of the Bill, and the exposing of parties to penalties which they had incurred from vio lating the law. He thought they ought to delay the furthr consideration of the motion. Mr. WYSE agreed to postpone his motion till to morrow at twelve o'clock. COUNTY CORONERS BILL. A message from the Lords informed the House that their Lordships had agreed to a conference on the County Coroners Bill on Thursday next, at five o'clock. CHURCH PATRONAGE (IRELAND). Captain BERNAL then rose to move for copies of any letters or instructions which might have been written to Lord Heytesbury, relative to the future disposal of Church patronage in Ireland, with reference to the Education Board. He deprecated the course that had been pursued by the government of Lord De Grey, as to the appointments that had been made. The late Lord-Lieutenant had appointed thirty-nine chaplains—an unprecedented number ; and he (Captain Bernal) understood that the present Lord-Lieutenant had re-appointed the same persons, all of whom were opposed to the national system of education. The Right Honourable Baronet on a former occasion, stated that the feeling against the national system of education was fast subsiding. Now he (Captain Bernal) would venture to say that nobody who was acquainted with Ireland would say that this was the case. Imme diately after the letter by the Right Hon. Gentleman, which was written to the Lord-Lieutenant in 1841, one of the Prelates recently appointed, in a sermon, gene rally stated that the national system of education of Ireland inculcated Deism or Mahomedanism. Now this man was a bishop, and he (Captain Bernal) would ask what would be the effect of such opinions upon the cler gymen in that Bishop's diocese ? Another clergyman, Dr. Daly, in speaking of national education, said that the Right Hon. Gentleman, in supporting such a system, Was only entering into a God-denying compact with the Catholics. Now he (Captain Bernal) could not but think that if the Right Hon. Baronet and the Govern ment were sincere in their intentions of carrying out na tional education, they would find no difficulty in modi fying the opinions of such vituperative clergymen as these. He had heard of lawyers roaring like lions in the Rotunda against national education, yet voting like asses for an increase in the grant for carrying it out. If it had not been for the system of national education in Ireland there would have been a rebellion in Ireland. He called on the Right Hon. Baronet to give some specific pledge to that House of his sincerity, and he called on him to produce the correspondence which had taken place between himself and the Lord- Lieutenant on the subject of the disposal of Church patronage in Ireland. Sir R. PEEL said it was perfectly true that he had stated, in the course of a discussion on Irish affairs, that he had written, in September, 1841, a letter to the Lord- Lieutenant, to the effect quoted by the Hon. Gentleman. Whether the words were exactly the'same he could not answer for, but the purport of the letter was that to which the Hon. Gentleman had referred. He thought that in the course of that debate it was stated that one cause of the inefficiency of the Irish Church was, that for a long series of years Church patronage had been made subservient to political interest. He stated then that at any rate that charge could not apply to the present Government, for shortly after the appointment of Lord De Grey he had intimated to the Lord- Lieutenant that the opinion of her Majesty's Govern ment was, that the best mode of strengthening the Irish Church was to appoint to offices in that Church men of unblemished private character and of the highest pro fessional merit, and upon the understanding from Lord De Grey that it was his intention to make that quali fication general, he (Sir R. Peel) informed him that he should never receive from him any solicitation on account of Parliamentary interest. That engagement was lite rally and punctually fulfilled. He never did press on the Lord-Lieutenant any merely political or Par liamentary claim, believing that Lord De Grey would exercise the patronage in the Irish Church according to the principles laid down in his (Sir R. Peel's) letter with respect to it. His firm belief was, that Lord De Grey acted in strict conformity with those recommenda tions. He did not believe that Parliamentary interest had influenced Lord De Grey in his appointments. The Hon. Gentleman said that he (Sir R. Peel) had recently exhibited zeal in behalf of the national system of educa tion. This was not the fact, for when he was in office in the year 1835 there was an increased grant proposed for national education. During the whole time the late Government was in office had he ever opposed this vote? No; on the contrary, during that period, it received his cordial support. It was true that he had stated that the opinions against the national system of education were on the decline. He stated that on the authority of the report of the Commission which superintended that system. He would, in support of .this opinion, read to the House a statement of the number o f schools which had been in existence under the present system since the year 1839 : Schools. Scholars. 1839 1840 1841 1842 1843 HOUSE OF LORDS, August 6. COURT-MARTIAL ON LIEUTENANT GRAY. The Earl of NINTO asked whether the court-martial which had been recently held on Lieutenant Gray had been held by the exclusive directions of the Admiralty, or in consequence of some representations from a foreign Power. Lord HADDINGTON said the court-martial was held in consequence of communications made in certain correspondence to the Foreirrn-orlice. The Earl of ABERDEEN wished to add to the an swer given by his Noble Friend, that although the court martial had taken place in consequence of the repre:•en tations of a foreign Government, yet no foreign Govern ment had ever suggested any such proceedings. The French Government complained of the violation of the treaty and of the right of search. A French ship having been searched without warrants, and on that being reported in the proper department the Admiralty had thought proper to institute the proceedings that had taken place. N • _ . . This appeared to him to be a complete demonstration 1 The Earl of MINTO 'was satisfied wittaie answr Ithat the system was increasin g . H e b e li eve d th a t muc h th e N o bl e E ar l as f ar as it went. He had n'ci-dottb."-P misapprehension existed with respect to the national that if a grave complaint was made by a foreign Power, system of education. An impression had gained ground the Admiralty would be justified in inquiring into it by ' that the Divine Scriptures were excluded from the i court-martial, but he himself did not see any such ir schools. This was most erroneous. He had only to re- regularity in the conduct of this officer as to call for peat that it was the intention of the Government to give such en inquiry. their warm and cordial support to this plan of national The Duke of WELLINGTON —All irregularities education. His refusal to establish a separate grant for are always tried by court-martial. the Established Church was as strong a proof as he ' The Earl of MINTO said there was one other pees could give of his disposition cordially to support the tion which he wished to put, whether the senior eaptein national system of education. if they were to establish jat the port of Plymouth (Captain Burgoyne) was a mena a separate grant, the Presbyterian would ask for a similar ber of that court-martial? grant, and then there would be three grants fur the same The Earl of HADDINGTON said he had not read purpose. With respect to the particular document the minutes of the court-martial. If the Noble Earl which the Hon. Gentleman had called for, he had to in- wished to have an answer on those points, he should form him that no such correspondence was in existence. have given notice of this question. On the face of the Lord Heytesbury knew that it was the intention of the papers referred to, the Admiralty thought there was a Government to give their cordial support to the national case that ought to be inquired into. system of education ; but he had received no instruc- CONFERENCE. tions to appoint persons in the Church who were favour- A conference with the Commons on the County able to that system, and them only ; as, in his (Sir R. Courts Bill was appointed for Thursday next. Peel's) opinion, such a course would have the effect of REVIEW OF THE SESSION. retarding rather than advancing the progress of that The Marquis of NORMANBY rose to call their at system. tion to the subject of which he had given notice. Per- Mr. WYSE did not think a separate grant would be haps the words "To call their attention" were erro advantageous either to the Roman Catholics or the neous, for even from what had passed that evening and Church. lie did not think that the system of national last night there was not one of their Lordships, who en education could be worked out well, while the digni- tertained a conscientious feeling with regard to the dis taries of the Church of Ireland were so hostile to it. charge of his duty who must not be ashamed of the man- Lord EBRINGTON regretted that the tone which ner in which, for some reason or other, during the last had been adopted by the Right Hon. Baronet that night few days the legislative machinery of that House had not always been the same. If the Right Hon. Gen- had been brought into play. He was present tleman had indulged in the same tone when he was in last night and attended in the House till one o'clock opposition, many of the difficulties with which the na- this morning, and certainly the manner in which Bills tional system of education in Ireland had to contend were passed through the stage at which it was generally would 1;e removed. He did not know whether the Right supposed that they would meet with some consideration, Hon. Baronet had or had not given the system a silent would hardly be imagined by those who had not seen it. vote, but he never expressed himself favourable to it. Bills of every kind and description —he counted, he be. With respect to the appointments made by the Lord lievcd, ten of them passed through in the manner Lieutenant, with whom he was most nearly connected, he had mentioned. The Noble Lord who officiated as he would say that he looked more to the opinions held their Chairman, did certainly give them the necessary by the clergy men he advanced on the subject of national information that there was a title and a preamble to education than to their political opinions. each Bid; he had been absent from the House for some Mr. DARBY said that lie knew Mr. Woodward to during the past week, and he was not aware but these be an excellent and able clergyman, and it would be very Bills had had their subject-matter in some degree dis hard indeed if such a clergyman was not to receive pre- cussed on former occasions. But on inquiring of some ferment in the Church, because he might have held cer- of his Noble Friends he f oun d th at none of thesel tain opinions on the subject of national education. But Bills had been explained to the House. Now he whether the clergy had or had not objections to the recollected that when a Noble Friend of his system of national education, he thought now that the (Lord Beshorough) formerly conducted the business system was adopted they would act more wisely in visit- of the House, he used to insist on the subject -matter ing the schools and superintending them, than in keep- being opened to the discussion of their Lordships on ing aloof altogether. - (Hear, hear.) He thought they the second reading. He did not complain of the manner ought to visit the schools and improve them as much as in which the Noble Chairman passed through these Bills. possible. lie thought it would not be wise to lay down On the contrary, if he found discussion to be impossible, any rule on the subject of preferment in the Church. lie rather honoured him for not going through any Mr. SHEIL said that they did not call on the Right humbug on the subject. This rapidity might be neces- Hon. Gentleman to lay down any rule, but they corn- nary; he admitted that the business of the country was plained that wherever the rule was, the practice of the pressing very hard on both branches of the Legislature Government in Ireland was contrary to the policy which during the time in which they were assembled. But, in the Right Hon. Gentleman had professed in that House. general, there had been some reason for this. Let them He said that they had determined to give the system of look at theßills which had been recentlypressedupontheir national education their cordial support ; but how had consideration. There had been two Bills to which their the Ministry given it their cordial support ? He denied attention had been directed during the last week—the that in the policy which they adopted in Ireland they Poor-law Bill and the Metropolis Buildings Bill. Now had given a cordial support to their own system. lie the Poor-law Bill had been introduced to their Lord did not mean to say that they were not sincere in their ships' notice at eleven o'clock at night on the sth of intention of supporting, that system. It was to be re- August, and yetthey were told that it was a measure of the marked that they had excluded from preferment all those utmost consequence, that it had created great excitement who were favourable to the system of national education. throughout the country, and that great prejudices were lie did not mean to say that they should lay down any entertained out of doors on the subject. Now was not rule, but he thought that some of those who supported that a reason why the subject should have been sub the system of national education should be promoted. mitted to their Lordships' attention at an earlier period Who had they promoted ? They had promoted Dr. in order that their Lordships might have an opportunity O'Brien, Dr. Daly, Mr. Newman, and Mr. M'Ginnis, by argument of dispelling those prejudices. Let them whose hostility to the system was openly avowed and look at one of the consequences of this delay. Not one undisguised. By promoting such men they counteracted of the N o bl e. Lords who had take n p ar t i n th e d e b a t e o f their own objects.—(Hear.) They did no service to the last night was present in the House that evening at the Church by such a policy ; for they placed it in opposi- adjourned debate.—(llear.) A Noble Friend of his had sition to the people.—(Hear, hear.) It became odious said that their Lordships' House was of all others the to the people.—(Hear, hear.) They opposed a phalanx place best fitted for the discussion of the poor-law ques of hostile persons to the best measure of education that tion, because there were eighty chairmen of boards of could be devised for Ireland. They arrayed an oppo- guardians Members of their Lordships' House. Now he sition to a useful measure. The Right Hon. Gentleman should like to ask how many of these Noble Lords were said that he did not control Lord De Grey in his appoint- present last night ? They might have acted very im ments. It was said that the Irish Church was a per- properly in absenting themselves, but still it was the quisite of the Lord Lieutenant's. It was most extraor- duty of the Government to bring forward important Binary that the Irish Secretary had no control over the measures of this nature at a time when they could secure appointments in the Irish Church, nor had the Home a full attendance of Members in their Lordships' House. Secretary. It was all in the hands of the Lord Li eu - Th en , wi th regar d to t h e M etropol i s Buildings Bill—as tenant. He (Mr. Sheil) denied that this was merely a far ago_ as: the 11th of June lie had called the Noble political question—it was a religious question, a moral Lord's attention to the fact that that Bill had been be question. From the Education Board would flow great fore the Commons three months, and that no progress public usefulness, morality, charity, and Christian love. had been made in it, and had expressed a wish that it If so, the question was not a political question ; it was a should be before their Lordships for a sufficient time to religious and moral question, and they were acting in an enable them to give the measure due consideration. imprudent and impolitic manner in not giving sonic pre- Now, the other night when he had directed their Lord ferment to clergymen who supported the system of na- ships' attention to the sanatory- condition of the metro tional education, who had equal merits with those whom pubs, the Noble Duke opposite had laid great stress on they preferred, and who were opposed to the system. the report of the Sanatory Commissioners. Would it be The Noble Lord, the Secretary for Ireland, had declared believed that the main enactments of this Bill were in in that House, and had surprised the House, and raised direct opposition to that report? The great object of great indignation in Ireland, when he said that the con- the Bill was to erect party walls. But the evidence duct of Protestant clergymen had been most factious in taken before the Commission showed that that was ther opposition to that system. the least important and the most expensive alteration Lord ELIOT signified dissent. that could have been made. It would add 16s. a year Mr. SHEIL—The Noble Lord had used the word to the rent of small houses. Whereas the cost of factious, and he was for months afterwards made the supplying them with water and drainage would have subject of attack in the Evening Mail. Ho would show been only ss. He should like to know if this Bill had that the Noble Lord had used the word, and he was sur- ever been referred to those Commisioners, and if it prised that the Noble Lord's memory was so defective had been, what was their reason for discrediting on this point. Perhaps it was an unhappy expression, the evidence which had been taken before but the Noble Lord had made use of it. It was not his them? What had their Lordships been doing intention to reproach the Government, but surely they for the five-and-a-half months before. They had passed ought to act in conformity with the opinions they had two measures as regarded England, and one as regarded avowed themselves. They had preferred thirty-nine Ireland. - One of them was the Dissenters' Chapels Bill, individuals, only two of w hom were in favour of the na- for the introduction of which he returned the Noble and tional system of education. Mit it was a misfortune that Learned Lord his best thanks. He did not give him the intentions of Government were always counteracted equal credit for the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill. It had by the officials in Dublin. In the late publication of not been introduced as being the best possible measure, Edmund Burke's letters, that distinguished individual but they were told that it had one merit—they could cal said that, that the best intentions of G ove rnment were culate on its success. Where was that Bill now ? counteracted by persons in office in Ireland. Those (Hear, hear.) Where was that success the Noble Lord who were selected for preferment in the Church would had prophesied ?—(Hear, hear.) And these were the. seem to have been selected on account of their hostility only two attempts, with one exception, which had been to this very system, which had been so warmly supported made to fill up the inane vacuity in which they bad by the Right Hon. Gentleman. At this period of the passed five months and a-half. When the session opened session, he did not wish they should part excepting in it was the general opinion that the speech promised little, good humour. He lamented that there should be defects but it was considered that what little was promised would which disfigured, if they did not entirely destroy, the be performed. 01' all the measures mentioned in the benefit of this measure, which he knew was well meant. speech one only had passed, that respecting the Bank Lord ELIOT explained. lie said that he had no Charter. Persons who were well informed on the sub recollection of using the word factious, attributed to ject considered that a hazardous experiment, and many him by the Right Hon. Gentleman. lie had said tha of those who had voted for it were but little aware of the Protestant clergymen were opposed to the measure, what its effects might be. The only measure regarding but that they were actuated by conscientious motives ; Ireland which had passed that House was the Charitable and he was sure if he had used the word factious he would Bequests Bill, a measure that reflected great credit upon have been called on to explain by some of his Right Hon. the Government. But that had not originated in any Friends behind him. He had the most distinct recol- comprehensive scheme. It had originated in a petition lection that he spoke with the utmost respect of the which he had presented from a worthy Protestant cler- Protestant clergy. As to himself, he did not think that gyman, who had exposed himself to great obloquy be his sincerity could be doubted, and he was sure that cause he had come before their Lordships to advocate his Noble Friend, Lord De Grey, was actuated by the the claims of his poor Catholic parishioners to a charity purest motives in the appointments which he had made. of 7/. 105. a year. He had not allowed any private feelings to influence Lord WHARNCLIFFE—Oh, no ; that measure had him, nor was he actuated by any family influence.— been long intended. (Ironical cheers.) He knew by that cheer that Hon. The Marquis of NORMANBY was glad to hear it, Gentlemen alluded to Dr. Daly, who, it was said, had but, at all events the Government had given no an been appointed because his brother had been a Member nouncement of their intention. Their attention had been for a county, and possessed considerable influence. But directed, in the speech from the throne, to the early they had been influenced in appointing 1)r. Daly on the consideration of a measure for the registration of voters ground of his knowledge, and his reputation as a dis- in Ireland. It was natural that the present Government tinguished preacher.---(lronical cheers.) He was sure should direct their attention to such a measure, for, four that the Protestant clergy were actuated by the most years since, the Members composing that Government conscientious feelings. had forced the attention of Parliament to the considera- Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said that he never heard of tion of the subject during the administration of his No- Dr. Daly having possessed any qualifications for his ap- ble Friend. They said that no delay ought to take place pointment to a bishopric, comprising nearly two popu- in the passing of the measure. But what had been the lous counties, except the language quoted by his lion. result ?—a Bill had been introduced and 'withdrawn, and Friend, and that he was the rector of Powerscourt, most properly withdrawn, as it was not calculated to where a site was refused by Lord Powerscourt's mother give satisfaction. That Bill exhibited a degree of igno for the building of a Roman Catholic church. He had ranee as to the wants and wishes of the people of Ire also heard from a respectable person, on whom he could land, which was most reprehensible in any Government. rely, and whose name he was ready to give to any Hon. He had before alluded to the Landlord and Tenant Gentleman who asked for it, that on one occasion last year Commission, and nothing had occurred to induce him to in Lismore he told his congregatioa to avoid all in- alter his opinion since -he had expressed his regret that tercourse with Roman Catholics, and those who that Commissioa had been appointed. It was calculated were rich of them should not employ Roman Ca- to excite delusive expectations and hopes that could tholic servants.—(Hear, hear.) The Cork Examiner never be realised. The Government was in possession of the 25th of July, in all u di ng t o th e subject, of ample information for the purposes of legislation by said that one clergyman dissented from the doctrines the Census Commissioners. Those Commissioners had promulgated by his Bishop, and that several of the con- divided the habitations of the people into four classes. gregation had left the church. lie could understand The lowest class consisted of mud cabins, with only one why such a person as Dr. O'Brien, who was a man of room ; the next of mud cabins with two rooms ; the great learning and acquirements, was appointed to a third of the smallest description of stone houses, which bishopric, but, in the name of common sense, what had might be called barn-houses ; and all above were ranked Dr. Daly to do with learning or literature He never in the first class. There were only 11 per cent. of the po heard of his producing any work? Indeed he was at one pulation living in first class houses ; 13 per cent. lived in time editor of a religious paper. They did not want the second class houses ; 40 per cent in third class houses ; Right Hots. Baronet to adopt any rule ; all they wished and 43 per cent. in houses of the worst class ; so that was that the practice of the Government would not con- out of the whole population of Ireland, 83 out of every tradict their own declaration, and that they should ap- 100 lived in mud cabins. Then, with regar to the point men who, like the late lamented Dr. Sandes, f ar ms, 40 per cente consisted cent. tfarms of from one d to five whom whom he was proud to call his friend, knew how to corn- acres, and only seven per of the farms exceeded bine zeal for their own religious dogmas with that charity 30 acr es. Two-thirds of the inhabitants got their living which was above all other virtues, and who would do as unskilled labourers, and 90 per cent. of the p o p u l at i on honour to the faith they professed by promoting good cou ld not read or write. legislation. y these were data suffi feelings amongst all.—(Hear, hear.) c ient on which to ground legislation. The whole of the Captain BERNAL replied—He did not want the legislation—all the important measures, had been Right Hon. Gentleman to adopt a rule, he only wished brought into their Lordships House within the last that he would not adopt the rule of appointing those month. It was s a id the delay was owing to the House who were opposed to the system of national education. of Commons ; but , if so, it in a great measure But, however, the Eight Hon. Gentleman seemed to be arose from the " counting out " of that House ; a promising convert to Whig principles, and he hoped and this took place generally from there being some he would go on and prosper. motion on the notice paper unpalatable to the Govern- The motion was then withdrawn. ment.—(Hear, hear.) The House of Lords had lately ANATOMY ACT. been converted into a mere mechanical piece of legisla- Mr. BORTHWICK wished to know whether the tion. A great number of Bills were passed last night Right Hon. Gentleman would have any objection that without any explanation. He hoped that these evils the Bill he wished to introduce might be printed. would not occur in future, and that the House of Lords Sir J. GRAHAM said that it was the intention of would not be treated in the manner they had been during the Government t o ta k e the su bj e ct into their considers- the present session. The Noble Lord concluded by tion during the recess. moving for a return. Mr. BORTHWICK was satisfied to leave the subject The Duke of WELLINGTON said he thought the in the hands of the Right lion. Gentleman, and he knew complaint of the Noble Lord with regard to the inat the subject would be much better treated in his hands tention of that House and of the Government regarding than it possibly could in his (Mr. Borthwick's). public business was not well-founded. If any Noble The other order s of the day were then disposed of, Lord felt any doubt as to any measure proposed by the and the House adjourned at Half-past Eight o'clock. Government, some member of the Government was always prepared to give an explanation. He had always taken care to furnish such information regard ing papers as was desirable. On the previous night, lae had not remained in the House later than 11 o'clock, but his Noble Friend (Lord Wharncliffe) had under taken the management of it, and he felt sure it had not suffered in his hands. It was not fair to blame the Go vernment for bringing forward important measures at a late hour, when Noble Lords opposite occupied the earlier hours with discussions introduced by themselves. A considerable portion of the session, in ,both Houses, bad been occupied in discussing measures of a very im portant nature, but the Government was not in any way of the misapplication of p ublic time, if the the cause of the delay, or of " the countings ou N t." o Noble Lord would choose to term it such. The arrangements of business were what they had been for 150 years. One Bill had originated in this House which the Noble Lord said was not a Government Bill, but this was a mistake. The Government had given notice of their intention to bring forward a measure on this subject at an early period of the present session. With respect to the other