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L fi" 6 c El l;) % 011 cr th C ® -( 0 ir !spu" e Th rve' ls Debt o' 9 e ven 'Ol l4 Cer"" d ar re ) 3339, we, 1301 Su ,o Sbs, 9 41 ; hot p• L C aS 12 0 ; f 501:4 L ee o tsiort hr• rev] , .} 11's rev], ,rour, d j ;,, .n sL ) 5i u. o p wicb, o; ro `.2`14 ''''''''' " e• ~.4 1 1 4d ... A r ....... , 0 .... „ . ea t , ....... '" ...... /. ...... t: /". .... „„ .. 6 1 , , 0 t urntr , ooe' --- DiPEitIAL PA.ELIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, June 10. . Their Lord-hips assembled at Five o'Cleck. Niessengers from the Commons brought up several Bills. - , • . . The. Earl of. GLEN GALL moved for a return of the number, ef children under fourteen years or age in the workhouses in Ireland. Ordered. - • . • , The Marquis of CLANRICARDE gave notice that on Monday be should call the attention of the .House to the subject of the Irish poor•law. Several petitions were 'presented against the union of the sees of St. Asaph and Bangor. • 'The Marquis of NORMANBY gave notice that, to morrow, he should ask whether the report as to the sanatory- condition of the poor would soon be before the House; and, also, whether it would contain any recom mendation or suggestion for :the remedy of the evils which were now complained of with respect to the sana tory condition of the poor. NIGHT POACHING BILL. On the motion that this Bill do pass, The Earl of RAI)NOR said he should continue not. content to the passing of this Bill, as he believed it to be unnecessary. , Earl FITZHARDINGE supported the Bill. He denied that ppachers.were driven to the commission of_ the offence of poaching by distress. The Bill, was: then passed. The Copyhold and Customary Tenures Act Amend ment Bill, was read a. second time. HOLYHEAD RAILWAY WAY. • The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said that as the report respecting the : harbour of 'Holyhead was not yet before the House, lie would postpone his motion for a Committee on the Chester and Holyhead Railway Bill till the end of the week. . . Lord MONTEAGLE thought it was a great hard ship upon the promoters of this Bid to be kept in sus pense by these . repeated postponements. He thought the Bill ought to pass forthwith. The Earl of WICKLOW also thought . the Bill ought to pass. . The E'er] of DALIMITSIE said it was the intention -of the Government; in case a direct line of communica tion between Holyhead and London should be made, to recommend to Parliament to make a grant for the im provement of Holyhead harbour. The-Marquis of CLANRICARDE thought the mat ter ought to be referred to a Committee before their Lordships adopted the Bill. He had no wish to prevent the Bill from passing . ; but he thought it ought to be fully_ considered in its details before it pass e d . —(Hear, hear.) It was _essentially necessary that provision should be made for the , formation of a proper harbour at Holyhead, and also that there should be a good bridge beside by the Company across the Menai. Lord DALHOUSIE- said that it was not unprece dented for Parliament to pass a Bill to enable a railway company to form an interrupted line, where there wore arrangements in progress for filling up the gap. Lord RAYLEIGH said that it was the intention of the Company to apply to Parliament next year for a Bill to build a bridge across the Menai. Lord . DA.LHOITSIE said that her Majesty's Govern ment had come tq.the deterriiination that Holyhead was the preferable route of communication with Ireland, but he was not able to say what the expense of making Holyhead a good harbour might be. Lord BROUGHAM objected to any infringement upon the standing orders of that House, in respect to priVate Bills. He thought. that it would be very credit able to the 'other House of Parliament, if that branch of the Legislature adopted those standing orders. . The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was most desirous of improving the means of communication between 'Great Britain and Ireland. But he .agreed with his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Brougham) that it would be highly inexpedient to give any instruction.s.from that House to a Committee on a private Bill.—(Hear, hear.) The Duke •of .WELLINGTON understood that the Bill was for a railway to • Holyhead, which mu: t be carried across the Menai Straits, and as that could not be effected by means of the present bridge, there must be a new bridge made for the purpose: No new instruc tion to the Committee vvero necessary.- - --(Hear, hear.) The Marquis of CLANRICARDE &Lid that, as the Bill stood at present there was no .obligation upon the Company to build the bridge. -They were only to carry the line, to the Menai, and passengers and luggage were to be conveyed across the strait in boats. After a few words from the Bishop of Bangor f -Lbrd Monteagle, and the Marquis of Clanriciirde, the Bill was read a second time, and ordered to he committed, LAW OF LIBEL AMENDMENT BILL. • This'Bill went through Cdmniietee, and was reported. We did not ascertain the day appointed for the third reading. The House then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 10. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. The Eastern Union Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. The minutes of evidence in the: Croydon and Epsom Railway Bill were handed in. Mr. MAURICE O'CONNELL presented 111 pe titions from various places in Ireland against the Irish Registration Bill. DISSENTERS' CHAPELS BILL. Petitions against this Bill neve presented by Lord Ashley, Col. Vernon, Mr. Scholefield from Birmingham, and Mr. F. Maule from various p!aces. Mr. SUTLER presented a petition from Ireland com plaining of the monopoly at present possessed by the Bank of Ireland. and praying for the adoption of the Scotch system of banking in, Ireland. Captain A'COURT pre-ented a petition from Tam worth against the Savings' Banks Bill. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD presented a petition from the congregation of Lyle Hole, county of London derry, praying the House to pass a Bill to make valid all marriages by Presbyterian clergymen. Mr. R. YORICE presented petitions in favour of the Dissenters' Chapels Bill from York. Mr. BRIGHT presented petitions against the Dis'- senters' Chapels Bill. Lord CLIVE presented five petitions against the union of the Sees of Bangor and St. Asaph. Mr. BARNEBY presented several petitions against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill. Dr. BOWRING presented several petitions from Roman Catholics in Lancashire in favour of the Bill. Viscount COURTENAY presented petitions from Exeter against the Bill. Mr. BROTHERTON presented petitions in favour of the Bill. Lord R. GROSVENOR presented a petition from St. George's, Hanover-square, against certain clauses in the new Poor-law Bill. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL presented four petitions from various parts of Ireland in favour of the Dissenters' Chapels Bill. • Mr. W. 0. STANLEY presented ‘petitions against the union of the sees of Bangor and St. Asaph. Lord J.. STUART presented petitions from Ayr, in favour of the Dissenters' Chapels BilL The Earl of HILLSBOROUGH presented twenty four petitions against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill. • Mr. DIVETT presented petitions from Ottery St. Mary against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill.. Mr. LOCH presented several petitions to the same effect.' Viscount CASTLEREAGH presented petitions from parishes in Down, in favour and against the Bill ; also petitions praying for a Bill to legalise Presbyterian mar riages. Mr. S. O'BRIEN presented a petition from Ketley against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill. Mr. HUME presented several petitions in favour of the Bill. Sir JOHN TROLLOPE presented a petition on the sub;ect of the Currency, from Mr. Leicester Melville, and moved that it should be printed with the Votes. The Hon. Member also gave notice of his intention to call the notice of the House to the suggestions of the petition when the Bank. Charter should be under discussion. Mr. MILES presented several, petitions from Somer setshire against the Dissenters' Chapels Bill ; and a pe tition praying for the establishment of a bishopric in Manchester. Mr. HUME gave notice that on Thursday be should call the attention of the House to some recent proceed ings in Caithness in reference to statute labour assess ments. Dr. BOWRING gave notice that to-morrow he should put a question to the Noble Lord, the Secretary for the Colonies (Lord Stanley), in reference to some unpaid claims in the island of St. Helena ; and th :t .on Thurs day he should move for amended returns, as to the har bour duties of the. Isle of Mon. CONVOCATION OF THE CLERGY. Lord JOHN MANNIRS presented a pttition, signed by several members of the Established Church, praying for a revival of the Convocation. VINEGAR. AND GLASS bUTIES BILL. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX CHEQUER, the Vinegar and Glass Duties Bill was read a third. time. WAYS. AND ME BANE,. - - • The .order of the day for the House resolving itself into a Committee of Ways and Moans, was read, for the , purpose of being postponed until Wednesday. .)' . BANK CHARTER. • . On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX CHEQUER, the order of the day for the second read ing of the Bank Charter Bill was read, and ordered to 'be postponed until• Thursday. Mr. 'HUME asked if it was to be understood . that Thursday was the day fixed for the second reading of. she Bank Charter Bill ? • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—As far as anything (Jan be 44cgrtained it is. • • 2 ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS BILL. On the motion for going into 4 Cammfttee of the whole House upon-the Sugar Duties Bill being put, Sir GEORGE GREY said be.wished to know from the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, when it was the intention of the Government to proceed with the Eccle siastical Courts Bill ?.. • . Sir JAMES GRAHAM said, to.naorr o w, IRISH REGISTRATION BILL. • Mr, T. DUNCOMBE begged•to know from the Right Hon.. Gentkoman when the. Government would proceed pith the Irish Registr4tion Bill. Sir JAMES 'GRAHAM holland the. Hon. Gentleman would wait till. his Right Hon• f rien,4 the First Lord ~ t the Treasury Was iu his plarP, . • gRAIN, — THAVICA ntaticep that ou the he would . raffe Pr rp -64 !4^. which Ma- A _ • Mr. P. Bollol._ „1, Ir larri a • - ---- "" — "mu" • : first day he could fix o ... , ti lt , le Vi geou g B Is said to h a . on the lapis' between a th e turns . of all copies of corresponiw.:- . - an . . net _ Rh p te r of tit, sittin g in the Lower House, an d th e fair have passed between Don Carlo 4 a A , , a Marquis D_ ing political • iv o enjoys considerable influence in jesty's Goverunient in this ft 'n , Q, lll , o ,_ circles. i Majesty's Government and the . Government of France, f o4 :, days since,L'• Ort the postmaster going to his box, ! ) 3 , 1 ,,,, to his great for the purpos e of taking out the letters, he country, and between her ro• Government of Spain, on the subject of the original .t,s p 0 and also between her Majesty's 'Governmentand the bro?d, eelllfonabr surPrise' a tom-tit, with arrest and young f4 d , with the Y located in a snug corner. The young-1- 1) s'llg theta re - nest, are still in the letter box the old birds the tto DOn Carlos, hiving tor their object ositions said to have been made by . her Majesty - G - 1 vernmen . ega1 ar i........ s • , ..Y °lured Gazette. pacification of Spain, and involving on the part of that A llie Visit MAJESTY'S THEATRE: of her Alajesty, accompanied by the Emperor of t 7 e ts r ad the King of Saxony to the Opera, drew on and, PsZ° e numerous than any that has been collected within e..„,,, e 7tre for the last qiiarter of a century. By . six o'clock isq4 le 'r, ( :wd had collected round the doors. In Pall-man trees q ii tt aYtnarket the windows of most of the houses . were . s r , and the ends of the streets leading into the line 'of I,;;lin'ti6fihed with carriages of various deseriptkus. 2 t l Itftn at ,..res Past eight o'clock the Royal and Illustrious par y carqtL'ing,ham Palace in eight royal carriages, each dra . wn ° r `! ° rees, with the servants in scarlet liveries. The first teseruiait'ca contained the members of the suites of the wlii t s 1 1 , 4 Russia and the King of Saxony ; the seventh, ilberhad two footmen, contained her Majesty, Prince isdtisl'ed,te L mpemr of Russia, and the King of Saxony ; 4e tt tighth contained the immediate attendants of the , ert pul. her Consort. The illustrious party were loudly u as they proceeded towards the Opera. House, but les; astonishment was expressed at the absence of all that lltnd ci rcumstance which might have been expected 'rlti e s t, an occasion ; two footmen were behind the carriage „.'hes t ,,, j4 ve.Yed her Majesty and her illustrious guests, whilst 4 4, ant only was allotted to each of the other carrriagee. t~EbNuly and dingy appearance of the Royal equipages, 41;:a;'s, harness, &c., was the theme of general observ.ah t.'sa74 Presented a strong and unfavourable contrast with ke1e,;".14-uous displays neelegance, combined with =gin tssli'ot.. which our nobility are wont to indulge upon similar lh e m‘ appearance of the interior of the house was splendid 44 qxtretne. Many of those whose boxes were placed in the 0164°nrable position' t view the royal group removed to t Ctte sit ). re l'i l te a ide The Duchess of P.taifort, the Countess of, and Mrs. Anson, occupied the Melton' ,°, l kl ie :,.,,u"x on the sta e ge, their Graces the Duke and 4ess, Leinster were for a time seated in another above. Ilii Bsi( f could be more brilliant than the array of ladies on ki still:, (l the house,' dressed in the most splendid toilettes, Nst t i, i ,!lig with gems and diamonds. At twenty minu es 4 "ls ona t=mt the arrival of the royal party without was . the ileses, and at once began the beautiful overture of Ase s er e. A prolonged interval ensued before the whi ch ;i 4 . the Sovereigns into the royal box itself, during '444" audience seemed divided between eager curiosity k kt (iis aPpointment. .0n the appearanCe of her 'Majesty r ates c ', l an ,gust guests the whole house rose, and the r ra e s "Zosi silence that had prevailed gave way to a general i t „ 4 tti 1 , 11 ,.°f applause accompanied by the most cordial of ''' ,l ll the male parts of the assemblage, and the way - - 10(4 handkerchiefs by the ladies.. This scene was . so po -1,,Ii;" ao interrupt performance, and whilst it . lasted Presented- the most impressive . and animated seaguiable. When the curtain fell after the first all Part t are the Queen" was unanimously called for from 4 Of the theatre After a short interval, the curtain a ti P ' r 'vealing the who operatic troupe marshalled be te 'Abe wh I le d' audience immediately rose amidst plan andeweaasainige of hats and handkerchiefli. The tirel t travellers and the Royal Consort, from delicacy,' re- It aisl• i n ° D , t be back of the box, leaving her Gracious Majesty a t i ale in front, to receive the cordial tribute of re cistithsek;acit verse of the national anthem creating a fresh '': f applause. "Immediately after ." God save, the ' t'l 4in 'as o ver, and the curtain had descended, with the '` l 44• ~,- 411e ndable good taste, the national Russian : iymn •, e u. It was, we hear played at `sight; but was t , I, N ti e '. with the Most remarkable ' precision and feeling by ketd ,a,nrable orchestra, under its able conductor, and pro `,:,e most imposing e ff ect. ttj e stn with hiss Majesty the. Emperor of Russia and h s,"atle A a '',"tY the King -of Saxony, were attended by te 4 01 ; Duca • I Baron Brunnow, Count Orloff, the oet `'` sd • xeue Radzicil, Baron Gersdorff, p ant Wit L et Prince Earl of Morton Colonel Arbuthnot, '11%: Vitztiliterberg' I , 4t Be h iko i f i f m n , dp ß r. aron ßia .de Reichardt, Dr. Carus, Prince li rber g , a ' olds, .Mons. de : Minckwitz, Colonel M. e Glasenard, .the Duke and 1 4 are e'4 0 Cambridge Duchess of. Gloucester, Pritcess i ll riis llgBt ‘- t rn_ bridge; N — ve ' re attended by Baron Knesebeck. j 3 e e vo co n t a n h pany.sre also observed the Dukes of Wel e Leinster, Montrose, Leeds; ' the s ltk i; l r s „of t Bea l u r fo ' rt, Somerset, Montrose, Sutherland, "oxbur he • Baron Nieumann, the Marquises . of 'ttt Norma g uls Douro, Clanricarde,Worcest6r, Win- Gra nbY, Hun ' tly ; the Marchionesses of Ailesbury, Ltel), ilanricard Westmeath ; the Earls of Pembroke, Aber /1.74 Jersey, e Dunmore, Kenmare, Wilton, Iruce, Falmouth ; the Countesses of Jersey, Wilton, r i. l: , ; ,,,reMbrooke Kenmare, Dunmore; Chesterfield, Glen s._tst Caetlere'agh, Foley, Cantalupe,, A] red 0:4 8 , r,nee, Macdonald Alfred Villiers, Alfred Ps6, 1 1 .4 1 I:,'",sYnner,Ranelagh ; Ladies Alice Peel,.Gardner, Vii- 11 , 4 1 - ',,„ ll,ll turst Ernest Bruce, Clementine Villiers, Somer- S ' uth mpton, Osborne, Alfred Aylmer, Edward ili nny tee killer() Me a ux; John Scott, Webster, Foulis, Pynn, e' t aio W illiams • Count de Noailles; Sirs W. Massey A It Clifto'n, H. Willoughby, H. Webb, H. _Me_9 l x ; I k t . 4 d Shak lev, J. Beckett, T. Hare ; Honourab , les M Lilel s ;;" lork e G„ I- fsy ng ,C. Cavendish; Colonels D Oyles , L I Cne e' , - Fitch, Captain Mevnell, Cap -8,,."."; AIL IL Bang,Mr. WOmbsvell, Mr. t. Standish; D ,On & - AND FETE AT CHISWICK'. te . . f kt - A f ete ' a - , a'Y his Grace the Duke of Devonshire gave a 6, 14 Vili.,`"ainpetre in the splendid grounds of his magni ii.at T i l.at Chiswick, which was honoured with the pre -4 Sty t :, B Imperial Majesty the Emperor . of Russia,, his rt oh 'T Ring of Saxony, his -Royal -Highness Prince it 4 P,t l riS L ,„ eir , Royal Highnesses the - Isuke and Duchess of -ner Royal Highness the Duchess of Gloucester; Lai tt t " 11 seven and eight hundred of the principal nobi gent Nu gronr • the, corps diplomatique, &c. &c. ontiots,,,wv i h u i l ch el rseci Gaergeanvte7laexrtueneessivea,n7ierteenmoosatntrttiele. (4 tre. bands of the Royal Houards (Blue) and the g nl Guards, in their state dresses, were .in atten re 1 .1 1; 010 3 at five minutes to two o'clock, the advante of kolal escori; which consistedtroop of the lith dashed into the avenue, followed by .two of, the RtSe titYl ders, in scarlet liveries, preceding the Imperial' earr :lcn consisted of six of her Majesty's private tOrie. a. ;ages, all of them open, the servants in scarlet 4 7 111 , !111 the first carriage contained his Imperial Majesty k ith ta of Russia, his Majesty the King of Saxony, N t _nYal Highness Prince Albert. The two•forrner sat fit t :',l faces to the horses, and Prince Albert on the op ttiN)eral". The remaining five carriages contained the o li st of the respective royal suites. Immediately behind 'lke, / carriage followed that of his Royal Highness the Af t e ambridn'e receded .by an outrider. ;01%1)a.rtakin; :o l? t a most gorgeously displayed d . ci 'eune chette the Emperor of Russia, with the King of t ',,"art e i. and the Albert, took their departure at a .-re Past four- ' I k on their" return to town. They. o c_pc kje .I)anied to their carriages by the Duke of Devon t4e ~Lee larger portion of the company, amid a royal . sa•- 4 ,rcr 'end! repeating the national . anthem. Thel?..m -tri%.,-,u631a, previous to entering. the royal carriage h. unwed the Noble Duke, and shook him warmly by - Al 4nd • i' llt ( . )ll.g t he entire of the high road from Chiswick to Hyde p t , r 4t ria g l r ' l er, both sides of the road were nearly lined with „ and vehicles of different descriptions, filled ; with -41 Pa - ti 'xious to witness the arrival and departure if t he Y. P ORTING IN TELLIGENCE., t,Zhi e A TATTERSALL'.S.—YESTERDAY. nt :'sbot settling prevented anything like regular b li nta near six o'clock,. it was not even inter tc'ts'qer , an announcement, that Mr. F. Herbert, the th "e_4 l 4` e ll t , lo,odstone, had commenced proceedings against i 4 °te ",ulders for the recovery . of the . New Stakes, ° had bets on the race having paid and received Ott r danceell with the deciiiOn of the stewards. Speen "try r , °ll future events, such as it was , adm its but of a l • 'lotati • on• , NORTHUMBERLAND PLATE. . 14 i t agst Colonel Anson's Bay Momus — taken 12 °1 agst Mr.. Salvia's' The 'Cure—taken 14 -)1 agst Colonel Anson's. PArthian • 14 t agst Mr. Gully's The Era—taken 4 16 ° 1 agst Mr. Ramsay's Whistle,Binkie—taken ; La 1 agst HesSeltirie's The Bashaw—taken 3 t o . GOODWOOD CUP. t k en to 1 agst ast Mr. Salvin's Ae Hathorn— Mr. Ball's The l S ic quire— w taken a ST. LEGER. • B to agst Mr. Salvia's The Cure • 8 to 1 agst Colonel Anson's Bay Momus t o agst Mr. J. Day's Ugly Buck—taken 1 2 to 1 agst Colonel Anson's The Princess—taken! EvCuen on The ur e aud Scott's lot agst the field., .k 40 2 THE LATE DERBY. is -3 11, • on Orlando —3 to 1 taken two or three times. L~elonpton Races commence to-morrow (Thursday) Y be a dies non at the - corner. i bt l ile f our, NEWTON RACES., "wlug stakes and plates closed - on Saturday even- WEDNESDAY. The Trial Stakes of 10 sous. each. " YT's--Fitzjames, 3 yrs—c by Hampton,' out of 3 The - DPingo, yrs—The 'Best of Three, 3 yrs. 'ate of 50 1 for horses that never wen 501. 1 , Y4 .--,q,, 1 ,! 0 , 3 vrs—Fenella gelding, .3 yrs—Hampton colt, 3'll l _: v t 's•-(4 . , l " fr eY:3 yrs—Sir Abstrupus, 4 yrs—Lady Bell colt, aek e r , v a , 3 yrs—Sister to Clare filly, 3 . yrs—Secret, 3 'sco t , itobin, 3 yrs—Boniface, 3 yrs—Fair Ellen, 4 yrs at, 4 yrs. THURSDAY. !!_r tlnfr ilate of 50/. Heats, one mile and half. A z i e be, 4 yrs—Miss Miggs, 4 yrs--Merry Andrew, 4 y l .,Ahs a t r :eY, 4 yrs—e h Hampton, 3 yrs—Godfrey, 3 yra- 7 41j - 1 13 0n r c ints, yrs—The Best. of Three, 3 yrs--Geneva; 3 Secret, 3 yrs. yr l-4 " , 3 yrs--Cock Robin, 3 yrs—Sister to Clare 1i1t5 1 .4.1 4 , D . al Highness FnmAY. 01 , The St. Helen's Purse of 501., &c. Ell, ) , 9_4t 3 yrs;—The Best of Three, 3 yrs— ti neY, 2 -vrs—Doc Pluto, 2 , yrs—Beaumont, 3 yrs— '`it eY, 2 yrs 2 —Doctor Husband, 3 yrs=Dog Billy, 3 NI , 3 , , PI 11.8 ' 11 441 ruri at e of 50/. winner to - be sold for 150/., &c. 46 Rzeb e 4 , 41 r ' 3 y r , . t . , yrs—Pensive, 4 yrs—Missey, 3 'yrs—The V . '" - --"ri, — nudibras, 6 yrs—Yarrow, 3 yrs—Sir Abstrupus, d ii t teo unt e niddv 3 vrs--411orpeth, 6 yrs—B_ 3 yrs— In ' 5 Y:s. 4 31.3: 4 hby Muley Molocli, out Percy 's .:7• 0 „ 1 . AQUATICS. 1 41 1' t 4; otttot.—'A DOUBLE ScULLnspa ca _ eff on kPriqar liorat Sci.tooL.—This interesting 'venromlne i , oif 4 af ter Six o'clock, the distance being_ id distance r _g l:l , A Nir n in lt dso OF r 1)04'.,r,,und the rushes, and back to the b 4t atteZ r ee, . Utiles and a half. There were twenty-two boats /7pi, Piace d i n five divisions., as follows :- 441boei,stri,141Neln41...3.Iiloes,3sopnxealn.edn andpo Lascelles and . Ghreeounse i...ootrd t.. Lawrence. • ' and Vansittart, Mire li: l e er 4' b'visio n — Williamson and Stuart, Mr. Finch 'NT' .LlTlne3' and Heywood, Heywood . and 1.2it??3 and, Ivai, Division —Fitzgerald and Predencks, Winter „d Nj‘tZtee4,i'irrialfo.d and Foster, Beecher and Clissold, Cooper '''" r u ._ ~, nzt. • nd.Ship l.Atatnhiebj'fisian—Murchison and Milk a r .n ; l3 d a tam i g u n n Y ro a , m i . . , fill Tv.L!,l(lAdlington,•Munrof ma., Woodbridge and -;-Nlyeitotl--Burton and Sutherland, V , .. tt4 M.osely. Tie r• .i.:." Ro.s, Lutterell and Ethelstone,Sutton a . .. Auellent, and all kept Uppere start was ying the lead, eyf °Pe, L ascel les 4.74 Greenwoodlah t o 4 Bargawao's-bridge, i ll till anatheY were'passed by their -positions whichf.o \vil e . ''a'tained round the vi ---- -4. 1 ., an d De ROL 7'4". lea through the l' it tr .. 1 , ‘ . ve ' r e .co gassed to yield to Burton -. ' -''''''. and Wo - odbrii.,, and Sutherlatt .e 4 ti,` • ery severe strnggle who passed them at the 1... . . 9t eeuw be l los and IVrolo'ddgber,il4,irnensinecgonb God third —all the ruck being well together. y d ;scaLraceSelyellaeSb9ll;;; DBE - SUN, LON traNTL 113"ESDFAII - M 0 RNIN 1844. illustrious Prince all the sacrifices he could make to attain'so desirable an object IRISH REGISTRATION. Mr. VERNON' SMITH said, thatin consequenCe of the answer -of the Right lion. Gentleman the Secre tary of State' for' the Home Department to his lien. Friend the Member for Finsbury, he thought it mould be well to know at what time , it was the intention to commence public bmdness. After a few words from Sir J. GRAHAM, Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he thought the question propounded to the House by his Right lion. Friend near him, was-one of great importance. -He (Mr. T. Dun combe) had asked a question of the Right Hoe. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home Department, ten minutes before five o'clock, when fie was referred to the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government.— (Sir R. Peel here entered the House.) He was glad to see the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) in his place.— (Liughter,), -He had been asking the Secretary of State for the Home Department to fulfiL a promise which was given last week, to state to the 1-louse the in tention of the Government with respect to the Irish Registration Bill. The Right Hon. Baronet had in formed him that his Right lion. Friend would shortly arrive.(Laughter.) In the meantime - the Chancellor of . the Exchequer rose and moved the consideration of the sugar duties.—(Laughter.) The Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) had undertaken the other day to give sufficient notice of the intention of the Government to bring on the Bill. Now he thought they had really a right to ask whether it was the intention of her. Majesty's Government to proceed with the Bill during the present session, and if so, on what day? . • Sir It..PEEL said that when he stated he would give sufficient notice, he did hot mean notice to persons in all. parts of the three kingdoms.—(Hear.) Her Majesty's Government certainly wished to take the sense of the House -on the second reading of the Irish Registration' Bill. He was not prepared to state at present on what day the Bill would actually be brought forward, but he would do so to-morrow, and he would. take care that proper notice should be given. THE IRISH ESTIMATES. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL was understood to ask the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir Robert Peel) when the Irish Estimates would be brought on ? . Sir R. PEEL said that he was not at present pre pared to name a day, but he could say that they would be brought on as early as possible. There were, how ever, but two estimates which had not been already agreed to. SUGAR DUTIES. Mr. M. GIBSON wished to take that opportunity of making one or two remarks on the subject of the sugar duties. He was one of those unfortunate persons—(A laugh)—who, in consequence of the manner in whiCh the subject had been placed before the House by the -Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell), who proposed an equal duty of 345. per cwt. on all foreign sugar, were compelled to vote for that motion, without having an op portunity of going into the question whether our West Indian Colonies were at all entitled to the protection of distinctive duties.—(Hear, hear.) He begged now to ask whether that vote would prevent his Hon. Friend or himself from voting against those distinctive, duties ? Mr. GLADSTONE _was not prepared to-advise the Hon. Gentleman as to the course which he ought to pursue.-(A laugh). Mr. GIBSON then gave notice that he would move an amendment for the abolition of the distinc tive duties upon the reading of the preamble of the Bill. ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS AND DISSENTERS' britip; tiwin 1.,' Mr. JAMES rose, and said that he hoped he might be i ..e i ss. ; and if they would do. so, the . permitted to. make a few observation: . o n this ques- ' ts eetaeree ie . eels ertie'e eveo ld.increase roan extent tion ; firstebecausehe did not ofte n tr ou ble the house ; ;;:t 'eeties. it-Jet - Lev:a I`' jtistice were to be done to the reading g because i thtr a% l d ia , a th rio ir t dly, because he e as: ene in ts•' ::, e ..e.. on those articles which c a me into general been a full discesei , . , a o n ; c•e :- t .'..mse- : le•re knust be a general systemOf reduction of those unfertunate beings called a West India piammter, : vol.- u :: 1 ;.,.. :,T this should be the great object of legis not threugh any fault of. his oen e b u t hecause, so re Len- Wiwi. s the e co - s n e d c l o y n , d . . tunics ago, an ancestor of his was encouraged by the Go- . Mr. M. (e i i - se.)"; seconded the motion. vernment of that day to invest money in the purchase Mr. JA NILS explsined. of a WeSt India estate in the island of Jamaica, and who The CHANCELLOR t , f the EXCHEQUER said this expected that future Governments would not legislate to subject had been so fully discussed on a recent occasion, injure, much les's to destroy the value or, their property. that he did not think it necessary to trouble the House lie proposed, in the first place, to take the opportunity at any length. They would find in the speech of the of .expressing his cenvictien that few-Members of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, by ,a careful attention, House were really acquainted with the exact facts of sufficient groueds for rejecting. the motion. • The obser the case,. or with the tinfertunate condition in which vations of the Hon. and Learned Gentle Man were rather the West Indian interests s: ere now placed. He in favour of a genere l , reduction or abolition of duty, thought he could best: illustrate their condition by than to the subject under the considerlitien. of the House. his own situation; and that was peculiarly favour- 'He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was most anxious able as regarded the 'cultivation of West Indian to reduce taxation to the loWeSt possible state consistent property, for he Rat iiideicliary i n the light of ant with the maintenance ~of elieSrevenuee but, with Out ne absentie proprietor, having a son residing in the country.! glecting tote first duties of a' Government, they could not who was ntectuainted with the busines.,"and.al oan ever • i' at present ae ede to the proposition :of the Hon. and seer, who had resided there several' yeare, and was , L artied M•enber for Datistries. Those who had invested thoroughly acquainted with the mole of cultivating 1 capital in a : ur should not be altogether forgotten, nor sugar. • There were no mortgaees. o n th e p ro pe r ty, and i elittud thee eletgether overlook the interests of their own he had I -no occasion, as many. had, t o employ merchants colones.. . and pay them twoand-a-half per cent. Ho had only j Mr. 111.7..1E recommended his" Hon. and 'Learned to pay a commission bn,ker. Nov mime was his . Friend 11 ,0 . to pit, Ss his motion at present. The West case ? Every peundof segar he imported from Jamaien, bidet) c• 1 n :t.e were not at present in . a position to taking an average of three Years, cost him 4d. in the. eepe , ith t•reten 'POWers, end they should nit tell a production and transport. What happened when it. Man t'i run ,sway whilst, theySitnew the length of .his tie. arrived in thistountry ? The Chaneelli tr of the Exchequer They shoal I first relieve • the West Indian 'capitalist immediately put a tax of 3.1. per lb. on it, thus making faun thb :ti a !Vantages s and burdens which he.imail at the price 7d. A great deal had been said about,'pre-cut to contend with, and having done these things, the dearness of. sugar, but all he had been able to but :I tt um il ;ben, might they fairly eipect them to . cope get for his sugar was 60. per lb., thus losing i lb. with the I;•iti.ilian ur the Cuban, who employed slave or 500/. on every 100 hogsheads of sugar. This was not ;ahojr•—blear, hear.) ''. . a very pleasant pesition to be he e ith regard to pro- . Mr, I,:k 30U_LIIIt.11E, though opposed to the motion, petty whieh, during the existe lee of slavery, was .wotild ee: recommend the . Won. arid Learned Gentleman worth 3,0001 -a - year, anti, during e• - the appreiniee-. to pre-e; - hi , inothin to a division. . . . . ship system, huff 'that sum, ' and he had done .M1'..11 GIBBON wife of opitdon , that 'it would be everythine• 'to diminish' . the' cest of cultivation, much beq-er fee the country if the exact amount of the What was the cause.of this mischievous state of things? elaio.s • f the colonists were laid before the House, to Was it not the existence Oa tax of 3d. upon their staple have ,11 0 o amply compensated, than that they should commodity, sugar ; and neatly a prohibitory tax be thos al owed to obstruct a measure which would so upon rum ? - Let it not •be tOrgotten that these much c.ai!ii.•e. to the welfare of the British 'community. taxes were proposed by Mr.. Pitt. expressly as war. Ile s v.tw no reason why 10s. should he the exact amount taxes. Any gentleman who would refer to the debates of duty e sati.h was necessary to compensate the colonist. of that day, would find that Mr. Pitt premised when B i-tiles,.o it trade with foreign countries was much im the sugar duties • were . imposed that ' they pedel by the preeent restrictions' ' and he for one should be the very first to abe taken off. aould pretest against preferring the interests Of any whenever ' peace . was 'eqiibLshed.; - and yet there elites of capitalists to the advantage of the public. they were, nearly.thirty years after the commencement Ile disagreed entirely with the feeling which supposed of the penice, and the taxes remained precisely - the Same. that this interference would prevent the consumption of They had heard a, great deal about the 20,000,000/.. slave-grown sugar by English subjects._ He remarked, He had , more than. once , -sail, t that although that at die tinie'When the emancipation of the " negroes a very munificent gift, it was but a small compensation was'. wider the consideration .of Parliarnent, - many to the West Indian planters for the lois which they sus . humene persons abstained altogether from the use of tamed. ' He would like to know 'how gentlemen in that:, sugar, he use it was produced by slaves ; and he was House wool(' feel, if after.their property had been ruined sureri ed that a Government, who professed to act upon by the repeal of the corn-laws, the Hon. Member for ono:too-631 principles, should lend its influence to the Stockport should rise and , propose to give them • setting up of a new principle—the rejection 'of commerce 2s. 6]. in the pound as compensation ? They with . other States on the . ground. ,of slavery being took from them their slaVes ' and - up to. th a t time tolerated in them. He regarded the monopoly which they threw every: possible impediment in the was set up as extremely pernicious, and calculated to way of their , availing themselves of free labour. insult the' feelings Of ' foreign States, and render More Theyhad•been asked, why, if they lost by their estates, difficult the formation of commercial treaties with thoie they did not abandon their' cultivation ? They States. had not abandoned the cultivation up, to Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but the that time, because they relied npon the justice and Howe did net divide ; and on our re-admission we found the sympathy. of the Members of that House, and Mr. VILLIERS addressing the House.. The Hon. he would fain hope that they did not altogether rely Member said that ehe questions put to the Governinent upon a broken reed. He did not hesitate to say that were of so much importance that the Ministry were not many of the 'proprietors in Jamaica had , been treated jest; tied in refusing to reply to thein.—(Hear, hear.) more cruelly than the slaves bad ever been _treated. The House and the country had a right to The slaves had elssays had a supply of good anti demand front the Government - the reason, why wholesome f o od, w hil st , by the legislation of that House, tha West India islapds were' to have this protection. proprietors were rendered destitute. Did any one believe Was it that they were so useful ? Was it that they that if they were a: powerful as the landed interest such • were so loyal ? Whereas, only four years ago, their measures would he proposed as were then under conside- legislatures were suspended because they were net loyal. ration ?• He was sorry to see the great discouragement —(I tear, hear.) Were they contented ? The Hon. which had been given to' their interest by the change of Membsr for Cumberland (Mr. James) had given the opinion on the part of the Right - 11 Oh. Baronet at 'the answer.- e (Hear, hear.) He had told the House that head of the Government. As to the opposition of the*coloiiies were - ruined by the emancipation of the the Honourable Member far Dumfries ' he ,did, not con- slaves. 'The philanthropists, as well as the economists, shier . it very formidable ; for . . he brought forward had always contended that it would be best to throw the such wild, extravagant, an ultra views on all sorts \Vest belies upon their own resources, and to do away of subjects, that he really did not think any. altogether with protective duties. That had been the rational, person could coincide in his views.—(Heare Opinion of Mr. Cropper, Mr. Stevens, and several others, hear.) He regr etted t h e course pursued by his Noble ant the result. had fully borne them out. Jamaica was Friend the Member for the City of London. What he ti a the at hole of the West Indies: but, on the contrary, chiefly complained of in his Noble Friend was, that he it would be found, that if there were any deficiency, un did not come forward at the same time to propose the der particular circumstances, in that island, the produce repeal 'of time Emancipation Act. If they were to in other islands had doubled in - six years.—(Hear, hear.) have slave l a bo ur sugar tel flitted into this The whole measure was designed to forward the West country, let that Ant be repealed. To give an advantage Indians, who had too much influence in the Cabinet, and to slave 'countries w hi c h w as -not professed by their ou n too much power over the Government.—'(Hear.) But colonies, - . did appear .to him to be a course of he weuld ask the House, did they not know of slavery in legislation which was calculated to : make them the ether centuries, the governors of which were actual laughing-stock of e very • nation in the werld. dealers iii the slave trade themselves?—(Hear.) In Egypt If they-really wished to benefit the people of England, a alive tra.'e Wits carried on with Nubia, and .yet the it could only be. effected justly in one way, Paella teas recognised as the friend and ally of this that was by diminishing the costs - of production in country, although the slaves were not intended for prm their own colonies, and gradually redu c ing the tax. dial liti)nur alone, but for more degraded service and Let them only have plenty of free labour, redUce the mote unworthy purposes.. He would support the motion tax on colonial sugar from 245. to 12s. ; by that means of his 11-11. Friend, and must express his opinion that they would de ampl e j ust i c e to the W, st Indians, and confer the questions of the Right Hon. Gentleman who had an important benefit on time people of England, whilst last sat den - ought to be answered. at the same time they would sufler neless, but would ob- Mr. .G LA DSTONE was surprised that the Hon. taro a gain •on the ' revenue by the largely increased Gentlemen should make a charge against him for not consumption that would take place. He would not say stating the - grounds en which the Government upheld anything mere, for he had almost given up the case as protection to the West Indian interest. He thought hopeless. dud; evere Hen. Member was so well acquainted' with Mr, EWART said his Hon. Friend had charged hint that that - he had considered it would be disrespectful to With 'asserting rash propositions; he thought his Hon the lloote •to repeat them over again ; if,' however, he Friend ought to recollect that these propositions had been ninst' rep at tliein—(Cries of "No, no")—he would say, made-year after year.. He maintained that the commerce first, Ilea they we, e maintained, because upon the and manufactures of the people of this , country were system IX protection time customs had always been re affected by the discriminating defies which his Hon. gulated ; and seeendly, because they had been under Friend had attempted to defend. -11 is Hon. Friend there- pro;eet'on :untenablg almost to prohibition. The truth fore came into court not as plaintiff, but as derendant. , was. that at the present moment the West Indian in- He' (Mr. Elvart) certainly could not understand the - to-est an: • suffering a depression of labour more than conduct of those Hon. Members whom he considered to Lily other interest. Ile did not think that the speech of be represented by the Hon. Gentleman who had last the Hen. Member for Manchester afforded a very excel addressed the House (Mr. James). Were they, then, • lent example of the benefit of free labour. The Hon. actually coming down to that House to protect and ithmber for Wolverhampton had referred to a work uphold the system of monopoly ? There was, however, published by Mr. Gurney four years ago, with respect a want of skill as swell as a degree of partiality in the to the etre e, of free labour in Antigua, and from that he conduct of this class of Members who now came down had argued that, in consequence of that free labour, the to make common cause with the monopolists. The Hon. the export sf sugar from that island had been doubled ; Gentle Man (Mr. James) had made an attack' on the but he li-ad taken ne notice of a return that had been Right Hon. Baronet opposite (Sir B. Peel), which it laid on the table only four days ago, or he would have would have been better to refrain from. It was easy to discovered that such was not the case. He thoughtithe rake up speeches delivered over a course of many years, • Hon. Gentleman ought to have better evidence before and to cavil at them ; but for his (Mr. Ewart's) he - made the assertion. part, he • thought it time duty of a Prime Minister Dr. BOWRING said, to his certain knowledge the to watch opinion as it advanced, and to endeavour to Priebe of Egypt had been ready to put down slavery in keep pace • with it, and glad was he to find that, any way that might be suggested by Great Britain. He however slowly, the • Right Honourable Baronet would support the motion of his Hon. Friend. was disposed to move onwards. The question how- Mr. VILLIERS asserted again that the statements of ever, now before the House was, whether Mr. Gurney were correct. • one part of our colonies was to be benefited ,at the Lord STANLEY repudiated their accuracy amid cries expense of the general well-being of the colintry. Such of " Divide, divide." a system would be, •in fact, ultimately injurious to the Mr. COBDEN then rose to address the House. There planters themselves, No worse policy could be pursued than appeared to him a great disposition in the House to avoid that of retaining those differential duties. Throw open the the• discussion of this question upon principle. On both sugar trade, and the general commerce of the '.country sides of the House there was a marked disposition not would be increased to an almost illimitable extent. (ii entertain the proposition of the Hon. Member for No measure, except that of the repeal of the corn-laws,' Dumfries. He had no hesitation in saying that if this would do so much good, as placing the sugar trade question • was 'properly considered and discussed, no on a:proper' foundation. What he (Mr. Evart) wished Minister could withstand it. The Right Hon. Gentle to see done was this —to reduce the catty to what it was man at the head of the' Board of Trade had rode off befOre the war, to what it was, for example, in the year upon the queslien_ of something that Mr. Gurney had 1790. Then the duty levied on sugar was 128.4 d. per ewt. written. • lle (Mr. Cobden) could not agree to the prin- Unless they reduced the duties upon sugar so low as to • ciple of proteetion ; all that was wanted was that the increase the consumption among the labouring classes, principle of ntatsinterferenee should be adopted. It had they would do nothing. The real consumers of all been attempted to blink the question, but he would un commodities were the labouring classes. He would re- mask it. The fact was, they wanted to give to the West mind the Chancellor of the Exchequer that it had been India proprietors 10s. a cwt. more for their sugar than shown before the Select Commitoe that nineteen- i . .. would produce in time markets of the world, and twentieths of the tobacco consumed in the country that was to be accomplished by a differential duty.— was consumed by the 'labouring .classes 7 —(Hear, (ilear, heir.) For his own part, he considered hear) —and he would.. venture to say, that the that the West Indians had no right to come to that consumption of tea and coff e e was in the same propor- house anti ask it to make their trade profitable. Now, tion. Unless they could bring the price of sugar down what iv of ibe the effect of the measure? It would confer to fourpence per • pound, they would do nothing. no benefit en time coloured population of' the West Indies, The rich consumed from 601 b. to .701 b, of sugar per head and it could not be doubted that the monopoly system per annum,sand the poor only 71b. The rich amounted had not I can of any benefit to the labourers of that to 5,000,000, the poor to 23,000,000 ; dins, the country, for the fact was that they stated that they had power of consuniption . of '23,000,000 persons re- been ruined by a differential duty of 635. How, there mained undeveleped. A great quantity of sugar fore, could a differential duty of 10s. do them any good? was formerly consumed in Ireland, but at present, The time was when a Member was incapable of sitting owing to the high duty, the consumption in Ireland had in that House if he was a monopolist, and in 1640 it was diminished to an average of 71b. per head per annum, in- incumbent upon , Members, if they knew others who. stead of an average- of 211 b. per head per annum, as was were. monopolists, to name them, and, in November the case in England. Iti consequence of the of that year, the Members for Evesham, Rye, high duty, 'adulteration' took' place to a - very great and Bridgewater, were unseated on that ground,: extent, awl' the p•nr man, also consumed the muscovado Reverting, however, to the monopolies as they existed in sugar, suffered exclusively from those adulterations, for the . presLnt day, he begged to state 'that they were com the- rich man consumed only refined sugar. With regard plained of, and protested against, not merely because to the Wust Indian interest., the more honest course they took away fret - Italie comforts of the _people, but be would be to let them know the worst at .oece.—(Hear.) cause they were a hindrance to • trade. ' To attempt to The false support on-which they .had heretofore leant banish at the present time those who were- •connected: could not lust more than a few years, mind his Hon. -WithSor interested in them, would -be a useless labour, Friend would , . find that out.. It would be. • better for it would be attempting to banish an entire majority: for the West India •interest to' s come 'to a of those wpb composed the House.—(Laughter.) It he 'wise compromise 'in time, for it was beyond all came the free traders, therefore, to •stir up the people. .doubt that the present false system could not last, in 'order that the .monopolists in that House, and his - Hon. Friend had proved it was injurious connected with sugar, timber, coffee, and other things, to the West India interest itself. They were in a false - might on tt future occasion be kept out of it altogether. position, out of • which it wastheir wi s h t o extricate He (Mr. Cobden) did•not stand there to injure the West them. ,It was a remarkable circumstance, that India; philters. He had no wish—no iiitontioa to do the foreign - trade had increased in ' a much so. Ott the contrary, he wished to roe them prosperous, greater proportion than the colonial trade. Let them - and to that end he urged them to coalesce with the free look to the case of Bristol and Liverpool. The former traders in order to carry a low duty. A duty of 16, or Was dependent on a colonial trade, and had not ad- : even 14, year; would put them in a better position in Once vanced, while Liverpool, which had extended its trade to• yi ars thee from the present than• they had been in for all parts of the world,, had made rapid advances. It •years.• ''l•lie consequence of suoh an arrangement would was the same with regard to Nacre and Bordeaux.- the be to ;;ire to the \Vest India trade an immediate -im latter of which depended on the old colonial system. , pulse-eel:teeter machinery would be introdueed—a sounder He had certainly once introduced to the House a pro- system of cultivations would be originated—and intellect 1 posal for exteniing the cultivation of free labour sugar; would hsgin to develops itself in that quarter ; and 'but it was rather to agitate the question than• perheps that was an article more requisite than any with .any idea of its adoption. For his own part, other.----(Laughter.) Let matters inthe West Indiessbe he regarded commerce as the great miaancipaton I put tiptem a sound footing, and the sugar proprietors need .He maintained that the real way to bring thia'question shoe use fear of Cuba or Brazil. The realgoesetop was, to. an issue, was to throw open 'the markets to the pro- monopoly Or no nionopt4ly; The poultry Wei agains nio duce of the world, and allow flee labour 'and slave nopely t. it oeiiiter desired lerge rnoopptelie.s nor stnall labour produce to come •at oncio boldly into conflict to . I iiiQ r i o i ll 1 11 its. nor uAklitiej, nlounpotica. : -And of this he the nneaket eil this ceontfy; This would be* conclii wee emfeetly sutiefieni, tliat.the West India proprietors riot} to which thpy would 'neve to mete at leg- Hp hoes''Would find tlietsteelves much more prosperous if they would lieved, too, that the plantprs.thorniietv63 would he beeme• go hand in hand with the free traders, instead of allow= •fited by this. He admitted that they had been injured ing.thenvelYes . to be made shuttlecocks of fey the leenefit Iby the legislation of this country, which had restricted of pa; ty, and to their own to their. eonotri t e detri their commerce, and he wished to ses that syStem Of 415 7 leent.se (ilt-ee, beet.) latlen e s bollehed, 4f the Plopt i_,; t0.1.e tp' bv qn. p4-;iiititi . 10 t,, V. 1 - .;T:ViIV AliT said there was one portion of the portion, of this ponntry. 0 .4 ccikist'4.nnght to be trokteci . t...rgntr.tut t f his Hon. Friend- who last addressed..the, f B as the inhabitants of country Were treated. His IlOn. Pense, which might be very 'sound according treetise , Friend bid complained of a detHelicy of labour in the seliteil to which he (Mr. Co s al;eo iseeionged, but which .West Indies. Why, let the trade be thrown open to 09 'was not v0 , 0;43014 1 ' lo ite clutratett. 'lt went to this,: *oyldowd. tliiß, qii tyPilltl ; n rei t ,tly itse,lll • Tint 'tied Teeeietese the IVest,'lndia; proprietors were a small energies Of cup ti l lonhas Affld . yie•or fie - *teloped i 114- and weak hialy, therefore they should be ill-u s ed. N o i r less thpy were sphiOetPCi to Ad' ;Ind fair competition. it r.ally ought in fairness to be,borpe in mind, that Akm He wished to hring i ths subject to some definite point, and West India interest had been made the Niatito to a P ai. " ' to itsbertain 'hy a division, whether the' House W#4 will - tietdttr. systeza of•leghiletien ; auti but for that system ing tp eupla(isit thp ( 1 4tY Pft klaeltfri and eolenlal sue\ t.T.e, v•do1llv!4 wo k ad•have been regardless utterly ..,, of any`• or Ulf Tr lw clic.' } lot . sticcpcd ill inducing the noose to ilift: , ,lrpntiA dwies,- or of enythints, else. • The principle of . ' abolish tha diftrenttal clutyi' tlivn he wcnid Twoppse. ;is i cite free trAgs in 1110 prePent, instance was to eall . bri. on amendment to. the motion ee the . Host, Winner ik - Ir the. ton with - n. heavy hnrdele, put •ou Mot by offices kstph' Oat these diff ercntial.cl utieseheuld exp ire at the t ea l n ut by Imitnself, 10, run its freely as the man with no ' ' d:f4tt fr Rffs 13Y Ffluelisiog. .the duties their • might liardeil a 'alit:Y. thQ lion, Gentleman (Mr. Cobden"- F- ! 1 / 4 - - ;ef ( ._....., . . - t e-M -7--- " - - 7 . 3 . would givellimTa — Cti:ro - Mittee Of the - Trouse, he (Mr: Stet derived at a very small petiee s s'Whiotodenin4 the wart) would preve special and peculiar burdens in less - people of this country to a.iiiteri!itaiip:7 l\t p t i f l t of it, than one hour. Every disadvantage' which the West - and thereby add very - m atTer4ll44their India colonies now iabeured under had been the cOnse- happiness. It was argu *re:: ' I llu not qiieneeef the legislation of that House ; and yet tci that be done. He now came to nblefriity, i- it tbst day no s progress whatever had - been made in assisting the people of this country- should - Veit o reap the them to that labour which bad been taken away from, benefit of their own laboar;and of the pe r advantages and which had, timeafter tire, been promised to them. which Providence had granted to various parts of the globe? Give to them 'the supply of labour which had beim pro- What wasitwhich preventedthern from obtainingthiscom raised, then they would have production enough, and modity at a cheap rate, and thus increasing their corn the question of differential'duties would be set at rest forts ? What was the objection made by his Hon. forever. . Friend ? He gave a d escr i pt i on o f two classes o f per- Mr. BRIGHT said, if ever protection had been shown sons, whom he portrayed .in very glowing terms. He to be rotten to the core, it had been shown inrespect to first described the people of England, and then the peo sugar. Protection to the West Indies had led to -loss`fif pie of another portion of the globe, whom he would now trade, loss of profit, loss of comfort, loss of everything. designate generally by the term West Indians. He de- Where prosperity had been promised 'progressive ruin sired-the people of this country to contemplate these two had been met with: This old policy would find them as pictures ; and so did he (Mr. Roebuck) desire them to before, and bring with it its usual attendant evils, for as contemplate them. He described the people of England as population increased supply diminished. The preSent poor and suffering ; he pointed to them as persons la measure of the Government would give two millions to bouring hard to obtain a pitiful subsistence, deprived of the West India planters ; but why should this be given, fuel and clothing, of warmth and food ; and he then when it robbed.others and did no gt:od to them ? For pointed to the favoured population of that colony from his own part, nothing should induce him to allow two whence this article of sugar was to be drawn. The bulk millions, or one million, or anything to 'be ' given to the of the inhabitants of the West Indies were described by -trade to which he belonged, and- which had now becorne his Hon. Friend as persons who could obtain the one of the largesse:lnd most 'important . 'of the country. means of subsistence with but little labour, and And how and why had it become so ? 'Simply by the who enjoyed the comforts and luxuries of life. healthful and wholesome stimulus of competition. That Them he described as being bankrupt in fortune, as being Was the way to make the West India interest and every unable to maintain their position, as striving to maintain other interest prosperous. But if they would not con- that position which they had so long possessed, by means sent to this he had a plan to propose that, though not So of taxing the poor, impoverished people of England, for sound and so wholesome as competition; would still be a n the benefit of a similar impoverished and bankrupt class improvement, and a great one upon the present system. of absentee proprietors. That was the description which What' he should propose ' Was, that' a 'payment of his Honourable Friend had 'given. The poor people 1,251',000/. should be made .to the West India' proprie- of England, who were deprived of the advantages of tors, and if they did hot accept 'this offer he did not climate, were to be ground by a peculiar law, as the think they could have any claim on the country; and if lion. Gentleman said, for maintaining that class which the Government did not accede to such a payment for the Hon. Gentleman had so well described. Now he the benefit of the country. lie thought they were not jus- (Mr. Roebuck) had described what those West India titled in voting the supplies for her Majesty's Govern- proprietors were. He said they were no proprietors at ment. ' In this ease the monopolists were in a worse all ; those very men who now came forward, were mort condition than the corn monopolists, as they ' had no gaged is their estates.—(" No," from Mr. Bernal.) No ! tenant-farmers to plead for, and with regard to the la- Why he would like to know to whom the twenty millions bourers, their principal objection was, that they could went? Ilia Hon. Friend complained that theydid not go to not get more labourers, so as to reduce the wages of them. He also complained that they were unrepresented. those who were now employed. The monopoly in this Why, it was an imposition on the credulity of mankind instance was, therefore, a hare-faced one.. The - clues- to make use of such expressions. Were they not a -re don, in fact, was one of a majority of votes against the presented classin comparison to their real importance? obvious interests of the people and against a principle Why, if they were represented according to their im acknowledged on all sides' to be • sound.-(Hear, hear.) portance to the community, the fraction of' a Member The Noble Lord below him (Lord J. Russell) -admitted would be all they really deserved. His Hon. Friend the principle of free trade, but he appeared always to said this country had forced the West Indian proprietors falter when it was to be practically carried out. He into their present position ; but he (Mr. Roebuck) was talked of its combining all the nations of the earth in there to dispute that assertion. The West Indian pro one brotherhood. How inconsistent was this with his prietors themselves had fostered and protected that her declaration, that there ought to be a diffrrential duty to rible trade—the slave trade. They were, originally, a the amount of forty per cent. in favour of British sugar. band of adventurers, and had themselves established that Would that proposition knit in one common brotherhood trade. The people of England had never fostered it, all the nations of the earth ? The Noble Lord, also, in He defied his Hon. Friend to answer that assertion. the debate on the Factory question, admitted that the re- He (Mr. Roebuck) could trace the slave trade strietions upon trade necessarily increased the hours of from Sir John Hawkins downwards, and they would. labour. The Noble Lord, the Member for Dorsetshire, find it as he had stated ;—That a small band of advsn and others expressed sympathy with the labouring popu- turers had taken possession of an island in the West lation of the country. He thought they had a right to Indies, and following the example set them by Spain, call for the votes of all those persons on the present spread that devastating spot and plague over that por question. There could be no prosperity for the country tion of the world. They had nothing to do With Eng: as long as they continued to act on principles acknow- land in her collective capacity. The 'West India pro.. !edged to be unsound, and therefore injurious to the prietors'adopted it as individual adventurers, and they great body of the people ; and that House could not hold were not now entitled to complain. When the people of a place in the affections of the people when they saw England at last saw the enormity of the mischief, they them rejecting-questions which would so much advance interfered. But how did they interfere ? Why they the true interests of the country; and place in a gave those very proprietors compensation for their large better condition the great mass of the people.—(Hear.) losses, and yet, in the face of the Imperial Parliament, Mr. BERNAL regretted that the dikussion had been his Hon. Friend came forward and said that they were protracted so long, and that they had - been dragged not adequately compensated.—(Hear, hear.) Could it nolentes volentes into the discussion, for if gentlemen con- be said at that time of day, that it was not ample corn nected with the West Indies were to stand there pensation ? He said that was a most magnificent cons silently it would be said that they had no case. The pensation, given by them in support of the principle of lion. Gentleman who had just set down, had hinted that those philanthropists who could not allow even the the object of the West India proprietors was to reduce shadow of a claim to rest on the people who ' the wages of the labourers in their employ. Where was had propounded that principle of liberty. Was the consistency of the Hon. Gentleman, who, if he was there any man who would tell him that it not mistaken had, both in and out of that House, was not a magnificent payment? He said that it was professed himself a friend to free emigration ? magnificent—that it was exorbitant—that it was an ex ile had listened with great attention to the moderate travagant payment. And if those proprietors had been and wise views put forward by the Hen. Member for compelled to prove their losses, each and every one of Stockport, to whom he gave all credit for his ingenuity them, they would not have received a tithe of what they and ability, and he did not differ from him in the general had already received in the shape of compensation. And views which he advocated, and he (Mr. Bernal) did not yet his Hon. Friend turned round and said that they had stand there as the advocate of monopoly ; but he stated not received sufficient compensation, and therefore he his case as one of a body which ought not to be put stood between the Hon. Member for Dumfries and the down merely because they might be weak. Their argu- House. Now he (Mr. Roebuck) contended that if the ment was a mere chronological statement of their case, motion of the Hon. Member for Dumfries were affirmed, which he had repeated over and over again. It was almost the result would be that an enormous increase in the disgustingto do so because it was presumed that hehad an revenue would accrue to the State. He was not stating interest, and it was known that it was so. In the a fanciful case. If they were to equalise the duty on. year 1834, that great, wise, and salutary measure of Eman- sugar from every quarter of the globe, he said that there cipation was passed, with a provision that seven or would be a large increase of revenue. Then came the eight years of apprenticeship should follow. Ile did not question, who was it that interfered with the people of want to say that the West India proprietors were free England and their desires? That was the question. from all blame, but what he blamed the Government for The Hon. Member for Weymouth interfered. He said with respect to this measure was, that they hurried it " You paid us badly for our slaves, and therefore for all through without taking the necessary steps of apprising time to come you have to tax the people of England in the West Indian proprietors of the change. In this favour of us." Was there common sense in that pro country, on the contrary; the change from vassal- posal? His Hon. Friend had described the people of age to freedom was brought about gradually, England as impoverished and wretched; and be de and by Acts of Parliament one succeeding the other. scribed the inhabitants of th e W es t I n di es as being ex- Then, in 1838, the House declared that the state of ap- ceedingly well clothed, and well fed, and extremely well prenticeship should be abolished, and that it was better housed. • That was to say that in the West Indies a it should terminate at once ; and that they should pro large party of the population, namely, the free blacks, teed to the condition of free master* and free labourer. a ere extremely happy. - That was the description of his So far as related to the conduct of the slaves, who had Hon. Friend; and in giving that description ho made this emerged from a state of bondage to the condition of free- very extraordinary statement:—" We warned you men, he admitted that the experiment had been fully against this—we told you what would happen, and I successful (Hear, hear) and he believed that no fear it has so happened, and that no revolt has worked West Indian proprietor, in his senses, would wish to a change." That was the statement of his Hon. Friend recur to the old system ; but as far as related to the cul- —he feared to contemplate the result of a people's hap tivation of Jamaica, it certainly had not been successful piness. Were not the people in the West Indies well —a comparison had been drawn between the state of clothed, and well fed, and happy? Oh, yes, they were; Jamaica and this country. Now it was totally different. but then there were certain persons called the West There was a difference—an essential difference, in the India interest, who had been accustomed to a certain climate; only the smallest exertion was required on the position in society, likely to be reduced from that part of the native population of Jamaica to procure the position in consequence of these wretches not workings comforts and even the luxuries of life; for the produc- lion. Gentlemen opposite complained in the same tions there were soon brought to perfection under a tro- manner about the oornslaws.—(Hear, hear.) What, pleat sun. They had little' necessity for clothing. The should it be said that his Hon. Friend could advocate condition of the population of Yorkshire, where the a free trade in corn, and in the same breath advocate a labourers were paid high wages, was totally different.-- restriction in the trade in sugar? (Hear, hear.) With all their exertions they could Mr. BERNAL dissented. scarcely make both ends of the year meet, and he Mr. ROEBUCK continued-oh, yes; but his Hon. himself had frequently seen persons brought before the griend advocated a fixed duty, which was always to be magistrates for picking up fire-wood. How could they fluctuating —which was to be regulated by the aspect of think that the population of Jamaica, under the favour- the political sky,- hiving Bs. to-day, and perhaps ls. to able circumstances he had stated, would a ppl y t h em- morrow. The sugar trade'was protecteti by his Hon. selves to continuous labour, and the cultivation of the Friend, and the corn trad e by t h e Ri g h t H on . G en tl eman sugar cane was of such a nature, pa r ti cu l ar l y at certain the Member for Rent (Sir E. Knatchbull). Were they seasons, as to require continuous exertion. • The sun to legislate with respect to the trade in sugar, so as to raised the sugar cane, but it - a l so ra i se d a mu l t i tu d e of maintain • the Wost India proprietors in that society noxious and parasetic weeds, which choked its growth, which they had so long adorned ?—(Hear, hear, ironi unless it was constantly attended to, and the land cleared tally from Mr. Bernal.) 4- Hear, hear"—this was, no away. This required a continuity of laboar s and the doubt, a sharp shaft ; but if he had drawn his bow and negro population could not be depended upon when they pointed it at the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Member were wanted. They had much land of their own which for Kent, his Hon. Friend would have said " Hear, hear," they preferred attending to. The peasantry there rode in a different tone.—(Cheers.) He (Mr. Roebuck) to the chapels on their own poneye.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped that the doctrine of free-trade would be consi stated this to show the difference which existed in the dered without reference to these distinctions,—(H ear , Condition of the people of both countries. 'They had hear.) The great principle of buying in the cheapest not there a dense population which depended for subsist- and selling in the dearest market ought to be taken as ence on their exertions. It might be said, why did they not the motto in all commercial transactions, and hire labourers by contract ? but unfortunately in this it ought not to be crossed by partial an d case the people would hurry over the work, and, as they petty personal considerations.--(Cheers.) He looked bad not the wand of an enchanter, or the power of Cad- upon the question of sugar as a question far greater in mus to create people, they cou ld no t ge t them to work. importance than the question of corn. He believed that It was only on the Bth of May last that the Noble Lord if they had a free trade in sugar, that an immense in - opposite, the Secretary for the Colonies, issued his final crease in the importation of that article would take instruction to the Governor of Sierra Leone to abate place in one day, and in return for that importation the .certain restrictions-upon-the immigration of Africans to manufacturers of this country would send the produce the West Indies ; and then they were told that the shat- of their industry in payment for it. Why should the kles_which fettered them had been removed, and they West Indies be favoured any more than any other part were now in a condition to contend with the sugar• of the globe ? In the West Indies revolts and blood growers of Manilla, Java, and Cube, It was said they shed had been of frequent occurrence, ever since they had' received compensation, It was most disagreeable had been attached to this country ! while they had been to speak on the subject. It was either compensation or it an enormous expense to England. The West Indies was not.--(Hear.) Ile would ask whether 3001. a year was were a load upon us ; and if a sudden gust could sweep :compensation to any individual for 500 000/, QT 600,000/.? these islands from the face of the earth, England would He knew instances where for the lest five or six years not lose one jot of her strength—not one penny of her proprietors had been making the most painful efforts wealth—not a single instrument of her power would be to preserve their credit, suffering every species of priva- diminished by the sudden disappearance of these islands tion in thaattempt. They might say they had made from the face of the globe. -He could not conclude with a magnificent gift ; but when they talked of oompensat- out expressing his surprise at the extravagant attempts .ing the West India propri e t ors , lie denied it.. He re- which bad been made to draw a distinction between the gretted, as he had stateA before, that they had taken produce that was slave grown and that which was not. money, and thus fallen into the trap which was laid for How ridiculous were these distinctions, when it was im theM, • He utterly denied that they had been anything possible for any man to think for one moment of the ar . like compensated by the' sum which was granted. An titles of cotton and coffee without considering that those Hon. Friend of his had said that the West India pro- were the produce -of the slavery-upholding country of prietors had been hoodwinked by being absentees. He America. These distinctions were mere slanders, titlas begged to inform him that many of them' had been in and fleeting, and raised for the purpose of deceiving the the habit, from time to time, of visiting their estates; people of England. The great principle of free trade but he was sory to add • that the visit had often • would be found, by extending commercial salvation to been attended with mischievous effects. They had in- every portion of the globe, and by uniting together the troduced hobbies of their own,•whielt had had a very dif- various portions of the habitable globe in the great bond ferent effect from that which was Intended. He doubted, of interest, to be the means of spreading happiness and too, whether absenteeism was necessarily an eviL With- amityall over the world. out a eertain-degree of confidence, it was impassible that Lord SANDON would not have taken any part any estate could be properly managed ; ho 'appealed to in the debate at the present stage of the question had, it any Hon. Gentleman extensively engaged in commerce not been for__ the languag e w hi c h had ;wen whether his statement did no t h o ld goo d w ith respect to held by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, It' that. There W4ll no part of the world in which agri- he could be convinced that the view which the Hon. and cultural improvements were carried to a greater extent Learned Gentleman took of the importance of these than in Jamaica. It was said that they aid nothing to colonies to the prosperity of the empire was correct, compete with Manilla 'and other places, but he confi - although he could not agre e w ith hi m as t o t h e j ust i ce dently contradicted that statement. (Hear, hear,) of the course which he proposed, yet he might be con- They were told that . they wanted a sum of looney. vinced of its expediency; but when he looked to the pre- What they wanted was• common justice, The Hon. sent circuniatances of the world whew he saw a system Member for Stockport had'referred to monopolies in of restriction gradually growing up around us, and that connexion with the colonial interest; but he begged to the more nations advanced in the freedom of their poli state his opinion that the projectors of those monopolies tic a l i nst i tut i ons the more averse they seemed to 'ea - believed that they were bound up with the great in- to the establishment of freedom of commerce, he terests of the country at large, and that - the columns of could not consider these West Indian colonies, 'which moncipolyowereein reality -the pillars of the empire's oealsumed British manufactures of the annual value of greatness.—(Hear, hear.l . He- agreed with his Hon. three millions, in which there could be no hostile tariffs, Friend, that this topic ought not to be made the watch- the inhabitants of which spoke our own language, pro -word- of party. He for one was so sick of the subject, fessed our own religion, and were of our own blood, as that if there were any possible means of escaping from of no value. They had been told of the importance of it he would -he most happy to do so. But in many cases the trade with the Brazils. Why, the exports of Bri ' the tenant bad come to his landlord, shortly after taking tish manufactures to the West Indies were of infinitely to the property, declaring that if he retained possession greater value than the exports to the Brazils; and what he would not be able to pay the rent; in fhot, it was im- reason was there why they should be neglected because possible that the estates could men the present system. they were part of the British empire? This was not e. Now such Nit t. l :s At(' 043 of the facts.- He had been as vestion regarding a few West India proprietors only : 1 1TW-T 4114' possible; but th ey cou ld not expect men who fled they forgotten the importance of' the West Ind* ,bid been living in comparative' affluence t4A he ruined colonies to the revenue, to the commerce, and to tba, ithciiit raising their voice againit the, cause of their ruin. shipping interest of the country. Looking only to the • Mr. ROEBUCK said he was sure his Hon. Friend interests of the proprietors, they should recollect ' that ed for !Ir.:. West who had just sat do% would - not accuse 'him of doing there had been a time when they o v 6 i eceil. .autN Ag tvo i a personal motives on that occasion; lint he India estates upwards of_B,oo , .small ann ually. 7raich was so a vontribution eon)el net help feeling that a man's opiniopa might be of the country as to be con/tdered of spent iii this country. Was that DO governed very much by his peculiar position, and his to the wealth . value ?Both the enemies and the friends of this countrt views be greatly affected by his awn pecuniary interest, They had been told without any one being able to attribute to him improper had vai at that time considered them of tv" g, .at value and hue 1 1 / 4 ' great deal about Now, all the_ ay , riters on free trade aci• motives, - Now, he. took'his Hon. Friend in his true eha- Portance• e /aeter as ap : advocate for the West Indian, which was, in free t_ itted th . at • i 4.9 e, Ills own interest, But before ho touched upon any colonies had a claim to have their of his Honourable Friend's arguments,' lie would en- re admitted produce e at a discriminating duty wherever deti s vOtlr simply to bring before the House the the moth_ r- country imposed upon them peculiar areal question at issue. There was a large pow- . burdens , Now, it mattered not whether that pecu in-6(14y which ministered materially tocomforts liar burden were a tax t 4 . • or a restriction of labour. No and happiness ' of the people of F.aiglaud, namely, doubt the compensation of mOOO,OOOl. was a: magnifi- Sugar, which could be 4kix94 ' from a large surface of cent sum for this country to give, but it did not compen the 4 1o°. - rvog.ano - part - Of the lobe it could he sate those who hullo receive it. Many of tAlose • whO - ..... _._ ...._ • - - _ „ CHAPELS BILLS. Mr. C..BULLER wished to know from the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government, when he intended to proceed with the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill, and whether there was any probability of its being further proceeded with during the pre'ent ses3ion.— (Hear, hear.) He also wanted to know when the Dis senters' Chapels Bill would be proceeded with. Sir R. PEEL said that the Government had no great temptation to name an early day for the further consi• deration of the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill, as they had not yet got through the first clause. Mr. C. BULLER—Cannot it come on on Friday ? Sir R. PEEL said that it was impossible it could come on on that day. As to the Dissenters' Chapels Bill, the Government were anxious to proceed with it as soon as possible. COUNT OSTROWSKI. Captain BEItNAL wished to put a question to the Right Hon. Baronet, the Secretary of State for the Home Department. The liberty . ' of the subject had been violated a few days since in the person of a Polish, • officer, who had .not only - been sent to prison, but the whole of his papers had been taken by the police. He wished to know whether that had been done by warrant, and whether the Right Hon. Baronet was at all aware of it ? Sir J, GRAHAM said, his attention had only been called to the subject by what he had read in the papers. In consequence of what he had seen, he made inquiries that morning on the subject of the Police Commissioners, and he understood from them, that from private infor mation they had received the police captured the party, and the Commissioners thought the police were justified in apprehending the party. The charges that were made were proved before the magistrate, the party was held to bail, and if he was not satisfied at the course pursued, he had his remedy elsewhere. Mr. BLEW ITT said, in his opinion there had been no justification whatever for seizing the papers of the individual allUded to, and more especially in the mann( r which in this instance had been adopted. DON CARLOS—SPAIN. Mr. BORTHWICK said he wished to put a question of which he wad given notice to the Right Hon. Gentle man (Sir Robert Peel). The matter to which it had reference had been recently very strongly discussed both in the French and English newspapers. Ho wished to know whether any proposition had been made by Don Carlos in reference to the marriage of the Queen of Spain. whether such proposition had been submitted to the English Government, and what had been their answer upon the subject. Sir R. PEEL said, in answer to the question which had been put to him, he begged to state that a com munication had certainly been made to the British Government of the proposition made by Don Carlos, in reference to the marriage of the Queen of Spain. The communication was of an indirect and informal charac ter ; but it was to the effect that the son of Don Carlos should be united to the Queen of Spain. The Hon. Gen tleman (Mr. Borthwick) asked if the object of the propo sition was not the tranquillisation of Spain ? That certainly was stated as a chief object by Don Carlos, but her Majesty's Government did not think the effect of those propositions would be such as were anticipated by the parties making them. The propositions had not been very distinctly put, but Don Carlos, in making them, did not relinquish for himself and for his son a claim to the throne of Spain. The course the English Governrrient had taken was to' make the Government of Spain acquainted with the proposals of Don Carlos, and this on the principle that that Government alone was competent to decide the question.— (Hear, hear.) He (Sir IL Peel) might at the same time be al lowed to state his opinion that the question was not a mere, question of personal claims, but rather one of great constitutional principle. The propositions of Don Car los had been referred to the proper and competent authority—the Government of Spain. Lord PALMERSTON understood that the opinion of her Majesty's Government was, that the arrangement proposed by Don Carlos would not accomplish the object at which it professed.to aim, namely, the tranquillisation of Spain. He wished to ask if, in communicating that proposition to the Spanish Government, 'the British Government had expressed its own opinion as to the effect of the proposal, or if it had simply made the com munication to the Spanish Government? Sir ROBEWI' PEEL replied that the main object , of the proposal was to bring about a marriage be tween ,the eldest son of Don Carlos and the Queen of Spain. It was also stated that in case of that proposition being entertained, Don Carlos would state the concessions which he was willing to make to accomplish that marriage. What those concessions were to be was not stated. He bad not stated whether he pm posed to waive, on behalf of himself and h's son, every claim to the throne of Spain. It had been made, perhaps, necessarily in an in , ' direct manner—he did not complain of that, be cause Don Carlos having no representative at our Court, the proposition could not have been made in any other manner. The British Government had contented itself with making the communication to the Goveiri • ment of Spain, but had not expressed any, opini( n in favour of the acceptance of the proposal, because they did not think that its acceptance would tend to the tranquillisation of Spain. The differences existing in Spain were not differences with regard to questions of succession, but differeeces with regard to different modes of government. The British Government had not concealed that opinion from the Court of Spain; but it had used no influence in fayour 'of the proposition, neither had it thrown any obstacles in "the way of its acceptance. Lord PALMERSTON agreed in the views of the Right Hon. Baronet as to the fact that the proposite.n would not lead to the tranquillisation of Spain, but the mere fact of the British Court having transmitted the pro position to the Court of Spain would seem to given weight to it to which it was not entitled, and would induce the Spanish Government to believe that the British Govern ment was in favour of the proposition. He wished to know whether the British Goiernment in treating' the proposi tion had - given the Spanish 'Government to understand that it did not approve of it. • ' Sir R. PEEL, had transmitted, the proposition to the Spanish Government, merely because he considered it was the duty of the Government not to withhold such a proposition from ,the knowledge of the' Spanish Government ; but he. could under take to say . that it was ,impossible for the Spanish Government, to think that the British Govern mppp approved of that proposition , or entertained the least idea OW it vy04149004ce to the tranquillisation of Spain. Lord J. MANNERS understood there was no ambi• guity in the proposition of Don Carlos, Sir R. PEEL said there was no direct statement of the vitittingupss of Don Carlos to waive his personal claims to the throne of Spain ; but if he was to waive his per sonal claims, and insist on those of his eldest son, tlittt he apprehended would be no waiver of his claim of hereftitary right to the throne. . Mr. BORTHWICK thought that all he had heard rpndeve4 it expedient that he should continue the notice ef 'potion which he had givere - • CVSTOM:rHOUSE R,Apps. In answer to ate Hpn. Member, r 4.:IY) PI44WPNLIJOR of the EXCHEQUER' stated he Wetland to make a aidnction of the Oideece taken • - eltiatoin lions@ Ceminiseiog eed to have by tne it printed. Mr. HUME thought the whole of the eViciebte ough to be printed. SUGAR DUTIES The order of the day was. then read. - , On the motion that the Speaker do leave the chaire- ° O l t n . • 1 17 . 104 ▪ ( 61 i: . Igl