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DVIPER I ell PARLIAIVIENT. HOUSE OF PEERS. THIIRsDAY, MARCH 3. THtlit Lordships TeSOIVed into a Committee of respeiling , which the order for the ex_ eloqi of strangers was strittly, enforced. We understand the lifincipal suhjett of their Lordships' deliberations to be, the Irit4h *Peerage, and parti... cularlil, regarding the case of t;,e Earl of FARNHAM, with respett to which some_ proceedings took ,place. The House was•then resumed. Some routine and private business was disposed of, and the Bills upon the ,Table were, generally, forwarded in their respedive stages. Lord tIICILLA . ND moved fur the produtainn, of several Financial.Duenments', in addition to those which he had moved for on a former night ; those, on the question being put, Were ordered accordingly. Mr. Woonsoan, from the Treasury,' presented Sundry accounts respecting ,the Revenue, pursuant to an order of their Lordships. These, on their titles being read, appeared to be the Financial DOcuments which were ordered to be laid before the-No.:se, agreeably to the motions of:Lord.Auakt4,No, on a former night. , The Aceounif were ordered to lie on the Table, and afteheards, on the motion of Lord AUCKLAVD, ordered to be printed for the use of their Lorcrships. Lord HOB RIT moved the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Militia. Exercise Bill; which being done, he observed, he felt it, unneces_ nary to take up the tinr. of the Blouse on the pre sent o^ctsivn ; iie-genera( subjeet,. of which the Bill formed a part, was well knuWn to their Lord, i.hips, 'as : it had• undergone ample' And repeated (Bs efissious it t h at House when it was last regularly before them. He would.observe, that the -Bill now under consideration went merely 'to amend one clause in the general Bill. It would be in their :Lordships! recollettion, that by the last Bill the Militia was to he called out, for the' purpose of training and exercising for the term of 21'days ; the _Bill in question was- simply to extend that term to 23 days. In the first instance, the lesser interval ~ .vas considered as adeqnate, and the longer telt) was icg a rded as objedionable, principally 'on the score of ey.penee. .However, em !natures deliberation, it was toond expedient, and, upon the whole, deemed ad vi3ab!e, to e;:tend the term for the purposes he had invntioned, to the spare of 28 days ; this being all tbe ra,propesed to do, he should nO lc,nger detain the House, but merely move, that the Bill be low seal a second time. fhe Duke cf MONTROSE rose, not to oppose the Motion, but to offer a few observations, which forcibly struck him, upon, the subjea, to the,con sidef“ion of their Lordships. The Bill appeared to him as .one very far from being of ordinary itn. portance, irasmuch, as he thought that upon the well. Iteing of the its state of order and pdine no less a consideration than the existence of this Country, ag a free and independent Nation, chiefly , depended. Their Lordships, he doubted not, would reaktily‘admir, that not only the situa. thin f Lida Coantr,., but the stare and political cir c,:initarices of all En rope, and of France in.particu. hr, has rf:CCntly 'undergone very great and int_ rrtinit e!u let viewing the subjea imrne. dHtely bc.f:re the Houhtt, the present situation and circumstances of our hue v rsary, France, was to . seriously considered, It) this view, her great I accession of territory, consisting chiefly of 'ptipu lons Countries, and, above all, her immense extent ,of Coast apposite. to the shores of (3:eat Britain were 'to- be chiefly regaided—added to this, these extensive countries, and incalculably numerous po pulation, were at the disposal, and under the go, verninent: of a Chief, whose charaaer he should not, for. obvious t'easons, then attempt to delineate, but whose ambitious views and lust of dominion,:were ocg only wed known, but also that she was not very scruptil.ws as to the means he employed to tuin his eraL. For these reasons, he of (pinion, that the general Military force of country, and 'above all its Militia, shnold'he kept' c,o the must respeelalde and effieient footing. With respeft to tlfe operation of the Bill bef ore the 'louse, he Considered it as falling far short of what it .ought to b 4. Instead of 28. days training anti exercising, in the course of a year„ he was of opi. Pion that a perind of twice that length would he oearcely sufficient; but improvement on the present system should not stop there.' He thought that a proportion of at least one-third of the Militia (so w r understood the Noble Duke) ought to be kept up . f a) not apprehend a speedy misunderstand. in with France; their Lordihipa, however, were to consider that Such was a very poSsible 'event, ;via it was their duty to provide fur the perfed se. entity of the Country, in case of an attack; he by ,no means feared a :)erious result ; the event, he was confident, woulti be of a very contrary d escr i p . tiOn;, but we should present such a face and show' of reparation, as would not leave Our adversaries the least 'foundation to, hope fur even a temporary. success in' such a, proceeding. Were ,the plan he ! la d suggested adopted,, with respell to-the a om:ode:ruble efficient force wain' he in instant readiness to ti 4 with the Troops of the Line, and the remainder. would be Speedily able twatt with vigour nod effita': 'nor were these all the advantages derivable fi.nin :inch a ineasurei we should by it„ consider.' /ably increase our disposable ForCe: v and be able to follow up the complete repeliing ofari hostile attack, • by striking an home. blow,, at 'the:most vulnerable parts of an adversary. Though these cOnsidetations forcibly struck hint, it was not 'his intention to move any thing At present, or to bring:forward now any distill& proposition en the suhiett ; indeed., he fi rmed to titinktt, upon the whole, notproper to be gdopted in , thepresent year ; but Ite - hoped these considerations Would make a due impression upon His MajeSiy's Ministers and . the House :--they would trot cease to remember,: that though France was raways it warlike and. powerful Nation, the War . „ under her present circumstances, became incalcula. • bly more tormitizibie than ever to this;countty. In these views, I,c thought rv;inisre , rs: were highly re , nronsible to their Country,with respe4 to its de.. • linsive system, and that all the establishments wltich 1 0 1 bcen san‘lioned by the 4.,v iblature, should be I duly completed attd fully kept up. He was aware, that to the plan he had suggested, some objeelions might be offered;— but these, he was ready to anticipate : the first head of objedion was that of the increased expence ; the second the inconveniencies which .might accrue, particu s larly to the Officers; and.. thirdly, the .number of hands taken from the labotir of tilt Country.— With resped to the first, he thought from the cal culations which were made respeCting the expences of the existing system, it would not exceed 6o or 70,0001. a sum which, to so great and opulent a Nation, as this undeniably was, could be no. serious objed, at least it should not stand for a moment in competition with those great national benefits, chiefly that of security, which would result from the plan he had suggested. The second head of ob jelion lie seemed to think; would not be strongly insisted , on; bur, with resped to the third, he acknowledged it would involve a serious eonsidera tion'; but, upon the whole, not one which, in his opinion, shOuld induce the Legislature to forego the obvious - adventages of keeping up such a large Constitutional Force. Recurring then to the regu. latiOn3 proposed by the-Bill, the Noble . Duke re peace] his olejeilions, that .the a 1 days said to be allotted for the 'purpose Of training and disciplining the Militia, were but nominal, as it was well known, that four Sundays must intervene, and that four or five days' must be 'occupied - in going to, and coming from the different places of rendezvous ; so that the time which would alually be employed in exercising the , men would nut exceed nineteen or twenty days. These, it mnst . appear to every Peer in that House, to be totally insufficient for the ends proposed. • Notwithstanding, hedid not mean - to come forward himself in the present instance; there were many Lords in that 1-louse more convex.- sant in these hffailS, and able to do the subjed More justice than himself. There were men, Members of that branch of the Legiilature, bred to the pro.. cession of ,ATrlls, who were a real ornament to it, and whose courage; skill, and talents, refiedid lustre on the military charmer of the Country. Besides those Noble Lords, there were others, who, though . not regular bred Soldiers, .wete nevertheless ambiti. ous of defending their Country in the field,: these were generally found at the head •of Regi ments ; and all .these Noble Lords he considered as more competent to io justice to the subject than himself; he proposed now to make no specific mo. tion upon the subject, he had merely come forward under strong impressions of duty, and suggested the measures he had doee,. not with the least view of hostility whatever to His Majesty's present Mini, stets, for whom, on the contrary, he had in general the highest resped, and for some individuals among them, the most friendly regards, but in the view ' and with the hope that they would seriously attend to them, turn the proeositiops in their Minds, and at a proper opportunity at upon them—these were his Sole views and objets: in coming forward, and considering of the subjed as he did, he should not trouble their Lordships with any motion upon it. Lord HOBART, in reply, observed, that much of what had fallen from the Noble Duke was, in his opinion worthy the attention of Ministers, and it would be seen that in a great degree they hadaded upon his principles. They were perfectly aware of the Altered state of France, and of the relative situ. mice) of the two Countries ; and tinder those im pressions they had proposed the increased • Establish. runts, which were approved by Parliament, for the better defence and security of the Country. The Militia was particul ar ly attended` to, under the system which had of late years prevailed with resped to it;. it was well known to be an effece tive and serviceable Force, and by the •measures adopted, it was rendered of evential 'service during the late War. The *Noble Duke 'and the House may rest satisfied that ,the attention and vigilance of His Majesty's Government would not relax, but that they wouki adept that line of conduct with re. speo to the Militia Establishments as in their minds would best conduce to the effettual defence and se. curity of the Country. The Duke of MONTRbSE, in explanation, re peated some of his former observations, and seemed to express his satisfadion at what had fallen from the, Noble SECRETARY of Seem The question was then put. The Bill siNs read a second rime, and conunitted fur to.moirow, Lord HOBART said a few words•;respeaing the Woollen ManufAorers',Bill, which Stood for torn. mitmertt on Titesday next, (but from the tone and direelion of his Lordship's voice, we-were unable to colleet their purport.) The Noble Lord 'concluded with moving, that the said Order be discharged, and renewed for that day inonth. Wbich, on the clues. .tion being regularly put, was ordered accordi ng ly. Syme•privato business was then_ trditsafted, alter !which their Lordships - adjourned till tu.morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS. TriVASOVi i MARCH 3. The Mouse having billotted for three Eleelion Committees, the, Gallery was opened for the admix. sion of Strangers. Mr, Fox presented a Petition from the Chemists, and Druggists of Westminster, against the M e di. eine Adt. Ordered to lie on the Table. _ , Rose, moved, that I.,e;tie of Absence be granted to the Right Honourable \Vit. PITT, for one month, on account of his- health.---Ordered. ' Leave of Absence „was also granted to several other •Gentictueo, INDIA litipc ET. Lord CASTLE* 'AO gave notice, that he should firing forward the India Budget on "Ilnirsday next ) instead of Mo6day. _ Lora cAST LE a ancH moved for the koduetion df several Acomots tespeding' Which were or. dered. The Members chosen to serve nn the different Eledion Commit teet were, (or the County of Here. ford, , R: U. Fit/go:aid, Esq. Lord Garda:ll H. Hamilton, Ear!. W. Dickenson, Sal. Esq. W. Dickenson, jun. Esq. Sir i Wrottesley, 1. ' ' horoton, 4,q. H. Thorpton, Esq. Eiiyley; fisq. J.d. Viscount Sucticy a T IMO), lisq. Sir E. C. Itatopp, MM. li.. C4ultield. I. C. cutvycn, Esq sovismesit, Hight Hon, IV ; moarco • For the Borough of Penrhyn. C.V.-Thomas, Esq`. ltd. r. Cart', Esq. r. Esq. Sir E. Pyllew, Hon. I. Butler, • lion. W. W. Tole, Hon. ;Vaughan, - 14. C. H. Somerset, W. Smith, of Norwich, Esq. Right Hon. Dudley Ryder, Marquis of Titchficld, Lord Milford.. R. Steele, Esq. NOMINEES, Lord R. Spencer,' R. Hobhouse, Esq. For the Burghs of Stranraer, &c. Hon. L. Dtindas, Sir W. M. Milner, R. Thornton, Esq.. Sir W. W. Wynne, • J. 11, Leigh, Esq. ' . James Mylnes, Esq. C. Mills, Esq.. 1. Penn, Esq. • Hon. A. Fofey, ' G. Barclay, Esq. . Hon. C. J. Fox, Hon, C. Walpole. j. Baker, Esq. NOMINEES, H, R. Dundas, Rt. -!'ton.. j. Stewart. Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Report of the Committee of Supply, and the Resolutions were agreed to. Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Report of the Committee on the Irish Duty Bills. On the Motion for agreeing to the Resolutions, Colonel B AGIVELL said, he was still of opi nion, that from the importance of the subject, some further delay was necessary in order that it might he fully considered. The Irish Accounts bad been but a short time on the Table, and several' Gentle. men had been .necessarily absent on Committees. lie repeated his obje6ions to the Tax on Leather, which, he said, amounted to 2-1-d. a pound, which .enabled the English Tanner to undersell those of Ireland in their own marker. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he • was much surprized that the Hon. Gentleman should persist in wishing for delay after what had been stated upon the subject. In the last Session, the expedience of making those Taxes .permanent • was repeatedly discussed, and his Right Hon. Friend had given distinct notice of his intention of bringing the subject forward this Session, which notice he repeated before the Christmas Recess. He then repeated what he had stated last night, re speeting the causes which occasioned the delay in -bringing this subject forward. There was nothing • in those ReSolutions which would prevent their . being altered, modified, or repealed, if it should af terwards be found' necessary ; and his Ri g h t H on . Friend had expressed his intention of introducing a clause in the Bill, to allow of its being altered or repealed durill the present Session. As to the ob. jections which nad been made to one of the Taxes, they applied as much against a temporary as agitinst a permanent one. He therefore hoped, that Gen. tlemen would not persist in proposing a further de_ 19r.. • Afr..CORRY said, it was only necessary for him to add one sentence, which was, that if he were 'disposed to make the alterations which Gentlemen wished, he could not do it in these Resolutions; nor in the Bill. founded upon them; the alterations,,if any were necessary, must be propoSed when the Bil was before the House, foi regulating the mode of colleding these Taxes. . • • Col. BAG w ELL. explained. Mr.SMERIDANsaid, that the, objed of the propo. sition now before the House was to make those 'faxes permanent, and a more important proposition could not be subaiitted to the House, he therefore thought it ought not to be determined upon in so short a no tice. In his opinion there was no reason given for de. parting from the usual mode of proceeding in the Parliament of Ireland, because there was no ground to suppose that the Parliament of England would be less disposed to vote' the _Taxes annually than the Parliament of Ireland. It was said there would be a Clause "in the Bill, allowing' it to be repealed in the present Session ; but he thought the snare fair mode of proceeding would be to vote the 'faxes for one year, and to insert io that Bill a Clauie, allow ing it to be altered, or r epea l e d, b ecause t h e n t h ere •would be full tun e g i ven to consider the sahjeet.. He was fortified in his opinion IT what had fallen from Sir J. PARNELL upon this subjed, one of the last times he was its that House. ll' Ministerl per. shied in pressing this business forward, he should. take another opportunity of stating: his sentiments upon, the subjcd. The CHANCELLOR of the EXC lIEQUER said, he was rather surprized, .that any objection should be made to the' principle of this Measure, because he thought every. one , would wish, that the Finan cial Systems of the two Countries should be assimi lated to each other. The Hon. Gentleman had stated, that it was the practice of the Irish Parka. ment to pass thes e Taxes annually ; he could con- I ceive a very good reason, why the Parliament of Ireland might Wish to pass these Taxes annually, because it .might give 'them a kind of. check which might riot be undesirable. But there was no argu. ment which could he applied against making these Taxes permanent which might norbe applied to the sYstthi adopted in. this Country of making permanent provisions for permanent charges; and therefore the Hon: Gentleman ought 'to move that the English Taxes should be' voted annually; and if such a notion were to gtt abroad, it would be found to have a con. siderable influence on our stocks. 'Mr. Strzitiovt explainid. • The Resolutions were then agreed to, ordered to be printed, and Sills were ordered lobe brought in upon them. " . . 'The CiIANCIE LLOR Of iIteE.NCILEQU,,Eit moved that the SPEAKiIk should comMunicate W the-I-104SC on Monday next, a list.of the Members absent on the ballott this day.—Ordered, - • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIRqUER moved, that the. House shuuld be called over on Th ursday next.,—Ordered. _ . The CII4NCE:LLOR of .the-'4XcIIEQURIZ' said, he understood that. there was considerable difficulty in procuring accominoda t ion for the different Eledion Committees ; and if the House 'were.. to ballot for four Committees next week, it would increase the inconve nience, bebides m an y M em b ers would be 'necessarily absent on the Assizes. He should therefore propose to .reduce the number of ballots from four to two. He therefore moved to PosrPune the ballot for Chippenham and Carmarthen, which stood for Tuesday next, to Thursday next ; an d to postpone these for lichestei and East Gtin. ,stead, which stood for Thursday ,ncx:, to Tuesday 1 Si 1 1 MaiCll:, .The Motion %%lit agreed to. 11/1C1C1.141l moved the Order of the Day fuT the third read r ing of the Irish Revenue Officers Divivalifying Bill wtas read a third tin and passed. The Hluse resoived itself into a Committee the whetle House on the Prince of Wales's ,Annuit Bill, when the blanks were tilled up, and the Ki parr ordered to be received to.morrow. Mr. VANSITTARt moved that there be laid bi fore the House an Account of the number of Ve sels, Tonnage, and Men, that have gone out ar come into the Port of London, for these last thre years, up to the gth of January last, distinguisl ing each year. Mr. VANSITTART also moved tlu several similar accounts be laid before the House.- Ordered. The House adjourned at 8 o'clock. TO CORRESPONDENTS have rective.i the Favour of ALl'at*, at 's! the Article the amazing Increase of American Tonnage shall appeal Ti mor►ww, if possille. MAILS. r t e. ARRIVED. Holland French Hamburgh o , C • PRICE OF STOCKS, THIS DAY At rwiLvi o'cLect. Consols - 711 THE SUN. SOLSIMI QUIS DlCallti 11^1.1VM AVORAT LONDON, AIARCH 1803. Yesterday morning Halt MAjESTY and therattvr calm Auourrtt, ELEZARETH I SOPHIA, PO MART, attentled by the Countess of CARL:4O 7 r the Marchioness of ELY and Miss VYSE I took an airing.in two coaches and four, escorted by a parr? of the Light H orse , i n t h e ne i g hb our hood of Streatham, Surrey, and returned to the Qacen'S House about two o'clock. About nine o'clock His MAJESTY, accom panied _ by the Duaa of CUMB ERLAND , attended by Gtnera MANNERS, took an airing to Kew on horseback; and after inspeCing the improvements and work , carrying on there, returned to Buckingham 1450 0 to dinner. • , This day at twelVA o'clock, THEIR MAW' TIES and the PRI N C ESSES l e f t the Queen's flo"O e for Windsor, where they ate expected; to reniaill till Tuesday. • • fps Royal Highness the PRINCE of WA tiS I h. that regard to j ust i c e w hi c h b ecomes hi s r a n k ann, charnaer,considera the to per cent. deduced front his debts, as a debt of honour which he is determine d to see paid, The a mo un t is about , 6o,oool. whim . " f course will swallow up a whole year's additional in. , come now granted him by Parliament. Arrived at LOTHIAN'S Hotel, on SondaYi the Right Hon. GEO. CANNING ; a l so Mr. posws l, t , from Edinburgh. • - A Common Hall of the Livery of London is to b" called, f or t h e purpose of addressing the KING on' his late providential escape from the traitorous Con spiracy. Captain Sir THOMAS B.• Thompson, who 10st his leg in the :talon off Copenhagen on board the &Ilona, was at .the Levee on Wednesday, and ` l ° presentesi to Has MA J ssir on hii recovery, by Ns uncle Sir THOMAS Tutooz. Yesterday, about one o'clock, the Chamberlain of the City, attended by Sir Jowl EAMIR, lata Lord Mayor, Alderman La Mast:auk, Mr. jams°, Dixox (as th e M over o f t h e V ote o f Than k s; a n d the presentment of the Sword), and a num4er Of other Gentlemen, assembled in the Chamberlain'. Office, to present to Admiral Sir James SAVSAMMP the Thanks, and the Sword voted to him kly thr official Representatives of the City of London, 'tlic Chamberlain addressed the Admiral in an appro priate Speech. Sir JAstes SAvivinter 4,, who wars dressed in full uniform, took the Sword, and return ed a ponce answer. The late ISAAC limvturfs, Esq. has proved one of the -most extensive puwi c; benefittors of modern times. He has left by Wili, to various Charities in Great Britain, Ireland, and America, the burn of , 44,8601. $ per cent. consuls. 20001. 'short ennui. ties, and 26501. sterling.. A final arrangement' has at length taken place with respell to the Batavian Rescriprions. It will be recolleded that they were, by a lake law, in di. red contradidion to the. original contraet, to Converted into . Naional Debt, not payable iitune"" atelY after the Peace. This re-solution is rescindet! by a Decree of the Batavian Legidature, whic h offers to the holders of these RescriptiOns, who "I s I to invest them , in the Voluntary Loan, the sa me terms, which are. offered to the holders of India Stock, .comprising the following advantages: 'viz. for 1000 'florins in Rescriptions or India Swo; and 800• florins in cash, 3000 florins . in Notiona l Obligations, producing 3 per cent. pirpetual interest. Also a receipt for so florins, in addition'to which. 150 florins in cash will procure a share of 4 00 florins in the Loan to be raised biLottery, accord. ing to the plan annexed to the Voluntary Lear 0 1 1802 - ; these shares to be converted into a , Nationi4 Debt, bearing interest 21 per cent. , This alteration is to be attributed to the inter. ference of the French Government, which carbides . . ed Itself pledged for the payment of the Rescriptiona according to their original value. The City presenting their Address at the Levee on Wednesday, at St. James's, attracted a great con course of people about the Palace, and Towniends Sayers, and Macmanus, whb are very properly en* gaged to attend on those days, to prevent depreda tions being committed by . the infamous gang of Pick rickets, went among the crowd and discovered 00 well-known charaders, whom they secured. Both of them have beep transpottc4 for picking pockets•