The Sun. — London, England, 1839-06-07 00:00:00

EVI:NING EDITION THE SCOTTISH CHURCH The commissioners of Religious Instruction, Scot -1:,, d, have issued their " Ninth and Last Report," con the results of their inquiries into the eudov:- r , ,its of the Established Church of Scotland, " whether arising film stipends, glebe, teinds, parsonage or v:.ca rage, teinds of fish, or other sources ;" also, the sum.; received from sent-rents, collections made at the doors churches or chapels, and the manner in which the :. - irne are applied. The total number of ministers of th e Established Church, exclusive of all assistants and •coassors, assistants and missionaries (except the assis- nt minister of Colonsay) is 1,072 ; and the total - nual amount of tilt ir stipends is as follows :—From .arsonage Teinds, 179,1931. lOs 3d. ; from Vicarage Teirrds, so far as they are paid in money, or have been tlued, 712/. 9s. Bd. ; from other sources, 51,3451. ss. —2031,451/. 4s. I Id. The annual value of glebes, as rianated by the miniiters, is 19,1681. 15s. 3d.— .:.;0,620/. Os. 2d. To this sum is added the value of manses not valued by the Commissioners, estimated the Scotsman at 301. a-year each, for 800 midsters, ::%000/.—Total, 274,620/. Os. '2d. (In many of the .rishes there are no lanses, and, in some, no allow ...ice in lieu.) This stank divided among 1,072 minis- rs, gives an average stipend of 2561. each. But this is t the whole of their income. In some cases the value of glebe had not been ascertained, and is not included !r. the returns. In many of the parishes the ministers ..:ve right to " fuel, foggage, feal, and divot ;" in others, .0 "cutting peats ;" in others, to "grass for two cows, :--d cutting One ;" in others, " grazing a horse and o cows." One bas a right to " a seal occasionally ;" 'ne to " 634 hack-loads of peats;" another to "fishing ;1. the river Cree ;" another to " pasturage in two Q:-urch-yards ;" another to " twelve solon gedse per an uum, with the feathers on, worth is. 6d. each !" ano ther to 0 pasture for twenty sheep ;" another to " free coal ;" another to " sixteen chalders of salt ;" another to "three acres of muir, now improved and cultivated ;" another to " kelrp, shone, peat, and divot ;" another to " pasturage and foggage for eight cows and a horse." in estimating the total cost of the establishment, it is requisite to add the expenses of repairing and erecting churches, :the interest of money formerly expended for the latter purpose, the expenses of litigation about augmenlations of stipends, &c. These items are sup posed tinamount to not less than 1001. a-year for each o.iginal parish, or, in round numlv, 100,000/. ; mak ing the real expense of supporting the Church, 574,6201., being 15s. per annum for each family, or 3s. for every man, woman, and child in Scotland.— . dinbur i gh Couraut. LAW INTELLIGENCE. VICE-CIIANCELLOR'S COURT, JUNE 6. The Vice-Chancellor took motions to-day. MURRAY V. WALTERS, This case came before the Court upon /notion that Mr. Walters, the principal proprietor of the Times newspaper, might be ordered to deposit in the hands of the Clerk in Court certain receipts and other documents which he had admitted by his answersio be in his possession. The bill was filed by Mrs. Murray, the widow of a gentleman who formerly managed the foreign department of the Times newspaper, praying for an account of the profits of that establishment from 1819 to the present time. In the year 1819 Mr. Walters assigned one.thirty-second Ogre of the profits of the Times newspaper to Mr. Murray, as a reward for his services, reserving however to himself the right of re-purchasing it. Upon Mr. Murray's death he left this share to his widow, and upon Mr. Walter giving notice to her, of haitention to re-purchase the share, she filed the present for an account. Mr. Richards and Mr. Romilly appeared in support of Ole motion. The Vice- CnastiELLoe, without calling on counsel for tne other side, refused the motion with costs. Mr. JACOB, with whom was Mr. J. Bacon, said that 2,0001. down, and 100/. a year for ten years, had been offered to Mrs. Murray, but she wanted 3,500/. POLICE IpiTELLIGENCE. BOW. STREET. Yesterday William Barnard, alias Hodgson, a returned ..,:thsport, was brought up in the custody of the Mendicity fficers for final examination, on a charge of obtaining under false pretences by means of begging leans. Mr. Knyvett, of the Mendicity, who conducted the prosecution, stated that the prisoner had for a considerable time been making aTplications to several persons of dis tinction, for the pufpose of raising subscriptions for a widow Harrison, in most of which he had succeeded. He had about ten years ago been transported to Bermuda for similar offence, and on his return to this country he re amed his former occupation, for which be was sentenced to herd lour foe three months. Upon being liberated he took the name under which he stood charged, and for some time evaded the officers, but he was ultimately detected in receiving a letter produced containing a remittance. Mr. William Ord, M. P., proved that he had received, at his residence in Berkeley -square, several letters solicit -1:g subscriptions for the widow Harrison, ofie of which -,- - ,duced, bore the date of the 27th of• May last. HorSford, the officer, proved that he apprehended the prisoner on the 29th ult., as he was releasing the letter produced at New Cross Receiving House, and on search g him he found it in his pocket. William Dowe, brother.in-law of the prisoner, identi 'Jed the hand-writing in several of the letters pduced as 7 - • Aug similar to that which he had seen the priss er write en former ese s vions. Mrs. Malrond, postmistress of New Cross. Surrey, pfoved that the letter produced came to her Receiving House on the day in question, and it was released by the prisoner. The copfof a former conviction being produced, the prisoner declined making any defence, and, Mr. IVIINsuuLL ordered him to be sent, as a roguo, and 1\ vagabond, to hard labour in the House of Correction for r tile next three months. SIIIPPrNG INTELLIGENCE. (LLOYD' , - VESSELS SPOKEN WITEL--Tbe alypso, from Mauritius to Bristol, Bth ult., in lat. 37, long. 40. ; Cairs, of Sun derland ; James, of Kincardine ; Joseph, Story ; Hector, of Dundee; Isabella, Thompson, of Sunderland, 10th ult., off Malaga; Ann and Mary, of Cardiff, 20th, off Gibraltar; Narwall, London to the South Seas, 29th, in lat. 41, long. 15 ; Jane, of London, for Alexandria, lat. 49, long. 7, by the Black Nymph, arrived at Falmouth. Newsham, of Liverpool, for Figueira, 30th ult., in lat. 41, ling. 9, by the Finlator, Moore, arrived off Falmouth. D,uid, from Bristol to New York, having on board the crew of the Crabeiine, from Newport to Cork, which foqndered the 11th ult.. in lat. 50, long. 8. on the 15th ult. in lat. 46, long. 20 ; Prospect, from Bou!ogne to Qu,!bec 23, in lat. 40, long. I(); England, from Liverpool to Quebec, 29th, off Dungarvoo, by the Mary, Christian, arrived at Liverpool. Rival, cf Halifax, 16th April, in lat. 23, long. 79; Cygnet, - Trorn St. Joseph's to Liverpool, 30th ult.. in lat. 40. long. 5-1; Tamerlane, from Liverpool to Savannah, 6th ult. in lat. 43 ; Trio, of Wexford, 10th, in lat. 47, long. 31; Cordelia, bound to Sydney, N. 8., 12th, in lat. 51, long. 31 ; Richard, from Liverpool to Calcutta, off Waterford, by the Bimkly, .Johr,stoue, arrived Liverpool. Ann (barque), from Canton to London, ~%leocii 21, in lat. 32 S. long. 4 E., by the Eagle, Patter arrived at the Cape of Good Ilope. John, Dixon, from Calcutta to Londoo, March 24, in lat. 34 S. long. 23 E. by the Duke of Arg - 5/0, Bristow, arrived at St. Freedom, Robinson, in hat, 49, long. 26, by the c'a.ffield, Slack, arrived off Crookshavea. REPRESENTATION OF FIFE.—We under .tand that in some parts of Fife a repot prevails that Wemps is about to retire from Parliament, and, - It, in this case, the Reformers are likely to unite in sup- Tt Nlr. James Aytoun.—Scotiish Pilot. GRATITUDE.—On Saturday afternoon a la !)-jurer, named Champion, digging in the chalk-pit rear ,lisbury. was buried under a mass of chalk, which sud )..nlv fell in. The Earl of Radnor, hearing of the acci -immediately went to the spot, behaving with the natest humanity end kindness, and when the sufferer was leased from the rubbish, his Lordship accompanied him o the infirrnarji,.to prevent the men from hurrying on too much, or from giving him liquor, which they were desir mis of doing; but this considerate conduCt was rewarded the most insolent abuse, which these ruffianly levellers i!oaped upon the Noble Earl, telling him that, " though were Lord Radnor, he WAS nothing better than one of Wilts Gazette. *LIE EDUCATION SCHENIEAND THE METHO c ...)ISTs.—The part which the Wesleyan Methodists have taken ad arc taking in this affair, it is scarcely possible to contem plate without mingled feelings of contempt and incligna ! t;n—lontempt for a body of men who, at the mere beck and .. ,c 1 of their priests, and in utter ignorance of the facts, -Quid consent to oppose the first step that has been made J.l bilis country towards establishing anything like a system ' . ''. national education for the poor; and indignation at the • :jotry and intolerance displayed by their leaders. These t ,4raons have discofered, forsooth, that the Catholic ver . Sion of the Bible is " corrupted," and that " certain ' notes are generally connected" with it which inculcate she most pernicious errors in doctrine and practice." i Why, have the men who now set up their judgment as the afalNble test of right, not a version and notes of their own, to which the Churchman refuses to assent, and l do they consider that a sufficient reason why their children should be refused admission to public schools? Do they imagine that, by excluding the Catholic from all participation in the bene fits of the State provision for education, by treating him as ae, alien and an outets,/, they will prevent the Catholic Bible from being taugrito the children of Catholic parents ? The scheme has been tried in Ireland for nearly three centuries, and vain has been the *tempt Do the Wesleyans imagine that,it will prove•more succes ful in England ? Do they think that the reign of intole rance can be re-established here ? And if they do re-esta- Wish it, let them not imagine that the Catholics alone will be the sufferers. The Church that would put down lila Catholic by force, would be as little scrupulous in Itching the Dissenter, were the opportunity to arise. The Conference is now the useful ally and pliant tool of the Church —ady instrument in all dirty work ; .ind is, therefore, piffled on the back and flattered : but if another John W eblpy should arise, with a conscience somewhat less pliant Than that of Mr. Bunting or of Mr. Newton, "he Church would soon teach him and his followers that Dissent w j ia as little t o b e to l erate d as C at h o li c i sm b y t h ose who are Pid for raising their "mitred fronts in Courts and palaces."---Carks/e Journal. i RAT CATctATO EXTRAORDINARY.-011 Tuesday se'nnight a pike was caught with aline a pit in • 4., to Mr. Samuel Shaw, Galley, which on being ' belonging opened was found to contain two f u ll- grown water-rats. Th e fi s h did not weigh quite three pounds. — Wolverhamp ton Chronicle. EDINBURGH CITY ELECTION. (From the Scotsman of Wednesday.) Yesterday being the day appointed for the nom'na tien of candidates to represent the City of Edirfourgh is Parliament, in room of Mr. Abercromby. now Lord Dunfermline, an immense concourse of people assembled around the hustings at the Cross. By eleven nearly the whole enclosed area immediately in front of the hustings was taken possession of by boys and men in working dress. From 7,000 to 8,000 persons, we calculated, were present. Shortly before twelve o'clock, Mr. Macaulay, accom panied by the gentlemen of his Committee and nume rous friends, appeared on the hustings, and was re ceived with rningled cheers and hisses. Mr. Fraser, the Chartist leader, then presented himself, accompa nied by Mr. John Grant, undertaker ; Mr. Douglas, journeyman pianoforte-maker ; and Mr. Gregor, Jour neyman house-painter. They were loudly cheered by their friends. Among those present with Mr. Mac aulay, we observed the Lord Provost, Sir John H. Dal rymple, Sir Thomas Dick Lauder, Sir William Hamil ton, and Sir A. C. M. Gibson, Barts. &c. At twelve o'clock the Sheriff appeared, and after reading the writ of election, &c., the Lord Provost proposed Mr. Macaulay, and paid a high and deserved compliment to Lord Dunfermline. Mr. JOHN WIGHANI seconded the motion. Mr. Aytoun having declined to nominate Mr. Shar man Crawford, Mr, Fraser did so. Mr. MAcauealt then proceeded to address the meet ing amid mingled shouts of applause and disapprobation. Gentlemen, he said, addressing the vociferous crowd be fore him, if you want votes listen to reason--(Cheers) —for no man can ever be worthy of that privilege who refuses. If you do not wish to establish against your selves, and at once, without any argument on my part, or any reasoning, conclusive to the judgment of every sensible man, that you are unworthy of the franchise, listen to reason.—(Cheers and yells.) I see you have been informed that I described the working classes of this country as Hottentots.—(" So you did.") It is false.—(Cheers.) I said, and I say again, and I will give you my reasons for saying so,that if this country were to be governed on the principles on which a portion of the la bowing classes are calling for universal suffrage, the at tempt would inevitably reduce this country to the condi tion of the Hottentdes.—(" Oh! 'cheers, yells, and hisses.) My good friends, if' you wish for the franchise, these hisses and yells will not establish your right to it.— (Hear, hear.) The meaning of my expression is this I believe that the condition of the labouring classes of this island, and particularly those in the north, are far, very far indeed, from what I could wish to see it ; but still I do:conscientiously believe, that the difference be tween the condition of these labouring classes, and the condition of the people who live in countries utterly uncivilized, is very great indeed.—(" It's a lie.") I can establish the fact.—(Cheers.) The cottages of the labouring classes are not what I could wish to see them ; but still they are very superior to the kraals of the Hottentot or the wigwam of the Indian.—(Hear, hear.) Your clothing is not exactly what I could wish to see it, but it is better than the nakedness of the barba rians existing in many parts of the world.—(" We're as good as you.") lam not disputing your goodness, my good friends ; I am telling you how much superior you are to barbarians.—(Laughter.) Observe, there are countries where, from want of civilization and all social order, it is not unusual to see the whole population suf fering from famine, whole families swept away in a day, whole races I may say swept away in a season.— (Hear.) When, therefore, we see the great difference between those societies where the people live in titter barbarism, and those societies where, though the people are not quite so well off as I could wish to see them, yet where they hold a comparatively high rank among the nations for civilization and comfort, and which is mainly occasioned by their deference to law and the security of property, I say to every one amongst you, if any accident should befal you —if any sickness should ovsrlake you, you could at this moment secure far her surgical skill and medical attendance than the very Princes of half the barbarian nations in the world.—(Cheers.) Now, to what is this owing ? Wily, to nothing else than to the existence and preservation of law, order, and pro perty.—(Cheers and disorder.) Now, what think you would be the consequence of carrying into effect those principles which some of the leaders of the party who are now calling for Universal Suffrage have publicly avowed ? They have said, that if Universal Suffrage is refused, a war against property will be corn menced.—(Cries of " No, no," " Yes, yes.") Ido not impute these sentiments to you, my good friends ; but I say that it has been said by some of the leaders of that party, that all the manufacturing houses, all the machinery, all the railroads, all the great works which human industry and wealth have in the course of ages collected together, ought to be destroyed by the labour ing classes.—(Mr. Fraser, " That is false ;" great confu sion.) Ido not affirm that that has been said here, but I tell you that I have read it.—(Cheers.) I re peat that I have read it in a Chartist newspaper, and I have also read in the same quarter, that if the landhol ders oppose the People's Charter, the landholders ought to be put to death.—(Mr. Fraser, " That's false," up roar.) I have read it.—(Cheers, and cries of Where ?") I have read it in one of the penny papers published in London. I say, that if you once touch the sanction of property, property will fly from this country.—(Cheers.) Men will carry their capital to another country. I say, that out of this great, thin vast population of twenty-four millions, cooped up to gether in a space which was never before so thickly peopled in the history of the world—with thousands unable to emigrate to any other country—if once you destroy the security of property, the consequence will be that you, the working men, will be the great sufferers. —(Hear, hear.) The capital, the property, the edu cated classes, will depart—(" The sooner the better") —the labourers will be left to perish.—(Hear.) That is what I meant when I said that, in my opinion, if the measures advocated by some of the leaders of Universal Suffrage were carried into effect, they would reduce Scotland and England to the state of the Hottentots.— {Cheers and yells.) I never was, nor ever could be so absurd as to utter so wanton an insult—that I never would betray my own ignorance so far as to designate the working classes of this country—known for their intelligence over Europe—as so many Hottentots. Gentlemen, I had no wish to address you at any great length to-day ; but having been informed that the work, ing men of Edinbugh had been induced to believe that I applied to them a disrespectful epithet, I thought it right to do away with that impression. Having done so, I will not detain you farther. My explanations are before you. I now leave my pretensions, such as they are, with you—to your choice I submit myself.—(Cheers.) The SHERIFF then called for a show of hands. Some confusion having been created in consequence of a board with the words " Vote for Mr. Sharman Craw ford" inscribed on it, having been elevated at the im proper time, the Sheriff said the show appeared to him so doubtful that he must request them to try it over again. The show of hands having accordingly been re peated, the Sheriff declared the majority to be in favour of Mr. Macaulay. The SHERIFF then asked Mr. Fraser if he demanded a poll on behalf of Mr. Crawford, and on his being answered in the negative, he declared Mr. Macaulay duly elected. Mr. MACAULAY then attempted to address the crowd, but it was impossible to hear him. He accord ittgly retired with his friends, after moving a vote of thanks to the Sheriff. Mr. Macaulay left town yesternight for London. He breakfasted in the Royal Hotel with 50 or 00 gentlemen, consisting of the Conveners of Committees and others ; the Lord Provost presided. Mr. Macaulay, we under stand, will transmit an address to the electors from London. MR. WILLIAM SHARMAN CRAWFORD AND THE CHARTISTS.-Mr. Aytoun has received a letter from Mr. Sharman Crawford, declining the invitation of the Chartists to become a Candidate for the City of Edin burgh :—" I fear (he says) that my principles woula not be acceptable to the' largest portion of those electors on whom the franchise is at present conferred in your City ; and I feel that I should be departing from that honest course which has received the sanction of your approval, were I to promote a contest for my return, which I did not think likely, by a successful result, to forward the great cause of your political rights." VAN AMBURGII'S LIONS.—This extraordinary exhibition still astonishes the Dublin audience. Saturday night the lioness and tiger attacked each other, and had a regular "set-to" fight. The audience, particularly the fair sex, were very apprehensive that the noblest animal of the collection—Amburgh—would furnish a repast for the infuriated belligerents, and that their " bone of conten tion" would be "dropped" for something more congenial to their tastes and teeth in his flesh. This, however, was not the case ; Amburgh tore the brutes asunder, and they crouched before him. THE EXTENSION OF THE POWERS OP TIIE COURT CIIF BANKRUPTCY.—On Tuesday a public meeting of the bankers, merchants, and traders of the city of Lon don was held at the Guildhall Coffeehouse to take into consideration the formation of a deputation to convey to the Lord Chancellor a memorial, praying the extension of the practice of the Court of Bankruptcy in London and the powers of the Commissioners acting therein. Mr. ..Horsley Palmer was unanimously called to the chair. Mr. Wright stated that the meeting had assembled for the for mation of the deputation, and he held in his hand a list of names to ,form it, which he thought would be unanimously adopted. Ald erman Th omas Wood begged to suggest that a committee should be formed previous to the carrying up of the memorial to inquire into the main defects in the administration of the present system of the Bankruptcy Law. It was known there were many defects—defects which greatly impeded the ends of justice and injured com mercial credit generally. If they went up to the Chan cellor he would naturally say, you show me the defects which you wish remedied, but what do you propose ? He, therefore, suggested this, that th e y m i g h t b e f u ll y prepare d to meet his Lordship on the subj ect .—( H ear , b oar .) Several gentlemen having addressed the meeting, a corn mikee was formed for the purpose of getting information on the subject to report to another general meeting. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 6 The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat oti the Wool sack at Five o'clock. A message from the House of Commons brought up several Bills. _ . Mr. CAMPBELL, from the East India House, at tended, and presented papers. The Marquis of DO WNSHIRE presented peti tions from several Presbyterian congregations in Ireland, praying that means might be adopted for the proper re igious services of Presbyterian soldiers. Lord CANDOR presented petitions from a place in Sutherland, in favour of Church extension in Scotland. Lord Cawdor, Lord Stradbroke, Lord Colville, Lord Radnor, Lord Barham, and several other Noble Lords presented petitions from a great number of places in England, Wales, and Scotland, praying for the adoption of a uniform rate of penny postage. THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, JUNE 7, 1839. MALTA. The Marquis of NORMAN BY said, that seeing the Noble Earl opposite who had given notice of a motion for to-night he would take the opportunity of stating that he had not the slightest objection to the production of the papers, but that a dispatch had been just received to which sufficient attention had not yet been paid to en able him to say whether it could be laid before the House or not. Moreover he wished to add other papers to those which were intended to be moved for, which he hoped the Noble Earl would not object to, amongst which were communications which had passed between himself, Si John Stoddart, and the Commissioners. In conse q ce of this, and in consequence of the unavoidable absence of the Noble Lord who had preceded him in his present office, perhaps the Noble Earl would not object to postponing his motion tall another night. The Earl Of RIPON said that he did not conceive that the proposition to produce additional papers formed a ground of necessity for his putting off his motion for a third time, because he really did not think those papers were of any consequence. He had re ceived, last night, a communication from the late Noble Secretary (Lord Glenelg) saying he was labouring under severe indisposition, and that he should not be able to attend to-day ; but adding that he did not wish the mo tion to be postponed on account of his absence. But as his (Earl Ripon's) observations would certainly apply to some parts of that Noble Lord's conduct, and also to some portion of the conduct of the Commissioners, which that Noble Lord could only be expected to be com petent to reply to ; he did not feel that he could proceed with his motion to-night, without subjecting himself to some suspicion of unfairness. It was, however, extremely inconvenient and extremely disagreeable to him to have thus to put the motion off from time to time, because it was a matter not only affecting the public but affecting individuals, and if he put it off now, as he felt he must do, he ventured to say the odds were, that he should never be able to bring it on at all. The Marquis of NORMANBY said, that he was perfectly ready, as far as he was concerned; his only de sire was, that the House should be in possession of fuller information than it could be consi dered to be at present, but if the Noble Earl chose to proceed now, he (the Noble Marquis) should be quite ready to give all the information in his power. The Earl of RIPON could not think of proceeding under such disadvantages. Lord PORTMAN said the Attorney-General of Malta considered himself somewhat aggrieved, and was anxious the matter should be investigated as soon as possible. _ The Marquis of NORMANBY said they ought not to allude to the merits of the case, unless they were prepared to go into the whole of it. He did not think there was any intention to cast any imputation on that individual. The Earl of RIPON said he should certainly take the earliest opportunity of bringing the question forward. The Marquis of NORM ANBY then moved for copies of the correspondence that had taken place be tween himself and Sir John Stoddart on the subject of the Malta Ordinances. The Bishop of CHESTER presented a petition signed by 24 Clergymen, and a number of the residents of Liverpool, praying that the Post-office might be closed, and the mails prohibited from running on Sundays. The Bishop of LONDON presented two petitions to the same effect ; also a petition from Belfast against idolatrous worship in India. The Bishop of BANGOR presented a petiton from Bangor against the mails running on Sundays. The Earl of STANHOPE presented two petitions in favour of a uniform rate of penny postage. POOR LAWS. Tl.e NOBLE EARL then presented a petition from Ilverton, in Somerset, against the Poor-law Amend ment Bill, and a petition from an individual, complain ing of harsh treatment on the part of the Earl of Hard wick and the Guardians of the poor of the Caxton and Baddington Union. The petitioner complained that she had been turned out of her house—that her husband had been imprisoned, and that she was only allowed Os. a week for herself and five children, being at the rate of Id. per day for each, and that she was obliged to walk 52 miles to obtain that sum. The Earl of HARDWICK said their Lordships had always been remarkable for the attentions they paid to petitions from the poorer elasses.—(Hear, hear.) The petitioner's husband had, he believed, been impri soned for some offence with which the guardians of the poor had nothing whatever to do. They had been ejected from their house, and it was very fortunate for them that the Poor-law Amendment Bill was in ope ration or they would have had no home to go to. The allegations as to the Board of Guardians would, if examined into, be found groundless. He (the Earl of Hardwick) was sure that if any complaint were made to the Board of the conduct of their officers, they would examine into it. He himself was in favour of an in quiry. He thought that perhaps it might be well to appoint the Committee of last. year, which had done much to quiet the public mind. EDUCATION. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from St. Mary's Newington, in favour of the Government plan of " national education." The Noble and Learned Lord said he could not agree that the plan deserved the designation " national"—in fact, his objection to it was, that it did not go far enough ; but, however, if they could not do all they wished, let them do all they could. The Marquis of L A.NSDOWNE remarked that among the numberless falsehoods which had been pub lished on this subject was, that the plan would be com pulsory all over the country. The Bishop of EXETER moved for a copy of the commission under which the Dean of the Arches holds his office.—Ordered. The Earl of STANHOPE gave notice that he would present a petition, on an early day, from the Guardians of St. George's, Southwark, complaining of the misrepresentions of the dictators of Somerset H o use,—(A laugh.) The Noble Lord then proceeded to read a petition (of which be would on a future oc casion move the consideration) from a poor man named Coombe, living in Hampshire, complaining of the in justice he had suffered under tile new Poor-law. Lord BROUGHAM said, that whatever might be seid of the poverty of the man who had forwarded the petition to the Noble Lord, certainly he had very con siderable powers of composition, and showed that he de served 'a better occupation that that of a commo❑ labourer. Lord STANHOPE said the petitioner had not written the petition—it was signed by his mark. Lord BROUGHAM—Then the poor man was not to blame for the gross misstatement both of fact and law which the petition contained. Lord STANHOPE was not aware that it contained a mis-statement of either. Lord BROUGHAM said it did, because it stated that the operation of the Poor-law was to grind the poor man for the sake of the rich. That was a fact which he had never heard of before, and he should be able to show the fallacy of it. Lord ASI-113URTON put a question to the Noble Viscount opposite relative to the Tithe Commuta tion Act, but the nature of the question was no distinctly heard in the gallery. He wished to know if , any amendment of it was intended. The Marquis of LANDSDOWNE said it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to bring in a Bill to amend the Tithe Bill in several points, and that such a Bill would have been brought in before this, had it not been prevented on account of communications going on with the Tithe Commissioners. Lord PORTMAN said that this introduced con tingently a question of the greatest importance that had been broached in Parliament during the present Session —ho meant the mode of rating, because by a late decision of the Court of Queen's Bench, it would appear there was not one rate in England that could be sustained. That decision had the effect of levying an income tax upon every sort of stock in the possession of a trader, and even of dead stock in the possession of a farmer. A remedy for this must be brought in, in the shape of a substantive measure. SPANISH LEGION. The Marquis ofLONDONDERRY gave notice that he should to-morrow inquire of the Noble Viscount opposite, whether any effectual means had been taken by the Spanish mission sitting in this country to liqui date the claims of the unfortunate officers of the Spanish Legion ; and that also he should move that the returns which he gave notice of moving for on the 27th of February last should be laid on the table. Lord :MELBOURNE g --- aWrei;nd;ilthut consider able advancement had been made in the liquidation of the claims to which the Noble Marquis's question re lated ; but that he should inform himself of the fact by to-morrow. Lord ABERDEEN presented a petition from New foundland ; and also one from another place, praying for the abolition of the Colonial Legislature. Lord LORTON presented a petition from the landed proprietors of the county of Sligo, in reference to the state of Ireland, which was ordered to be re ferred to the Committee sitting on Irish Affairs. Upon the motion of Lord BROUGHAM, the report of the Committee upon the Beer Bill Amendment Act was received, ordered to be printed to-morrow, and the Bill to be read a third time on Monday next. Adjourned. ROUSE OF COMMONS, JuNE.G. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. Mr. MACAULEY was introduce by d the Attorney General and the Lord Advocate, and took the oaths and his seat for Edinburgh. NOTTINGHAM INCLOSURE BILL. On the motion of Sir R. FERGUSON, the West Croft (Nottingham) Inclosure and Canal Bill, and the Nottingham Common Fields Inclosure Bill were read a third time and passed. The Report of the Committee on th e Al mswo rthy (Somerset) Inclosure Bill was brought up. HULL DOCKS BILL. On the motion oc Sir W. JAMES, the Standing Orders were dispensed with in the case of the Hull Docks Bill, after a few words from Mr. Hutt and Mr. Green. COMMERCIAL RAILWAY BILL. Mr. PRYME brought up the Report of the Com mittee on the Commercial (London and Blackwell; Railway Bill. WHITE LEAD COMPANY'S BILL. On the motion of Sir M. WOOD:CheWhTteLead Company's Bill was read a third time and passed. LONDON BRIDGE APPROACHES BILL. Mr. HERRIES moved the third reading of the London Bridge Approaches Bill. Sir R. INGLIS objected to the Bill because its provisions had no relation to its title. He could not agree to the destruction of the Church of St. Bartho lomew, Exchange. He agreed that the t ower s h ou ld be ptillel down, because it was necessary for making a proper thoroughfare, but gave a most unwilling assent. But he could not consent that co nsecra t e d groun d should further be unnecessarily tresp asse d upon f or th e purposes of traffic. He admitted that th e Bill h a d th e sanction of the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Bishop of London ; not however the authority even of these Right Rev. Prelates would induce him to allow such desecration of sacred edifices, which had been car ried to a great extent within the last half century. He therefore moved the omission of the words " affecting the Church in question." Mr. HERRIES said he was not at all surprised at the opposition of the Hon. Baronet, because such opposition was natural enough for those who were attached to the Established Church, and who had not carefully investigated the subject as the Committee had who had sanctioned the Bill. His Hon. Friend had greatly overrated the importance of the church in question. Though technically this was a private Bill, it was in truth a public one, because ? the improvements proposed to be made were all to be effected by a charge upon the funds of the Corporation of London. Mr. PATTERSON supported the Bill. Lord DUNGANNON thought the precedent con tainedin the present Bill was an extremely dangerous one. It was a dangerous power to confide to any party to authorise them to demolish the whole of the sacred edi. fice, and he should certainly object to it. • Mr. SHEPHERD contended that the pulling down of a church for such a purpose and under such circum stances would be fatal to the best interests of the country. Mr. ESTCOURT thought the propositon a most monstrous one. When they had evidence on all hands that there was a vast deal of church accommodation re quired in the metropolis, it was most injurious to pro pose such a thing. Lord EASTNOR opposed the Bill. Sir R. INGLIS said that as the Bill proposed to destroy one of the City Churches, he should oppose it, but would not press the matter to a division. Lord DUNGANNON thought that this Bill went to establish a precedent of so serious a nature, that he should certainly divide the House against it. He moved that it be read a third time that day six months. The House then divided, when there appeared : For the third reading Against it Majority in favour of the Bill ... —49 The Bill was then read a third time and passed. Mr. WODEHOUSE moved the third reading of the Norwich Tonnage Bill.—Agreed to. Mr. DARBY presented a petition from Brighton against the Government plan of national education. Mr. Sergeant JACKSON presented a petition from a parish in the county of Roscommon against the na tional system of education. DUTIES ON COLONIAL TIMBER. Mr. VILLIERS gave notice that on the 20th inst. he should call the attention of the House to the duties levied on colonial timber. Mr. MACKINNON gave notice that he should to morrow move that the name of Mr. W. Harvey be added to the Select Committee on the County Courts Bill. THE LATE DISTURBANCES. On the motion of Mr. ESTCOURT, an address was agreed upon to her Majesty, for a return of the correspondence which had taken place between Lord J. Russell and certain Lords Lieutenant of Counties, &c., relating to the late disturbances. OATIIOLIC DISABILITIES. Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice that on Tuesday the I I th, he should mov e for leave to bring in a Bill to enable Catholics to practise in the Spiritual Courts in Ireland, and to hold the office of Lord Chancellor in that country. PUBLIC BUSINESS. Lord J. RUSSELL said to-morrow he should pro pose to take the Scotch Prisons Bill till about half-past nine, when the Counsel might be heard against the Jamaica Bill ; and the subject of Canada would be postponed till Thursday. Lord DUNGANNON inquired when the Eccle siastical Commission Bill would be proceeded with ? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he hoped he should be able to proceed with it on Monday, the 17th. Lord MAHON had understood that the Noble Lord had consented to give his Hon. Friend the Mem ber for Reading precedence on Thursday next for the purpose of proceeding with the Copyright Bill. Lord J. RUSSELL had given the Copyright Bill precedence for Thursday, but he thought the House would agree with him that the aff a irs of Canada were of greater importance than the Copyright Bill.— (Cheers.) He would take that opportunity of stuting to the House that he hoped to bring in a Bill upon each resolution. If the first resolution were passed, he should bring in a Bill upon that, and if the second resolution were passed he should bring in a separate Bill upon that also. With regard to the first Bill he should not press it beyond the second reading, but he hoped the Bill founded on the second resolution would be passed ; he should press that, is hopes it might become the law before the end of the Session. Lord 11M1AIION hoped the Noble Lord would be able to make such arrangements as would enable* his lion. Friend the Member for Reading to proceed with his Copyright Bill at an early d a y. Sir R. PEEL supposed that the Noble Lord, in pursuing the course that he bad proposed, regarding the Jamaica Bill, considered that the second reading would be merely a reading pro forma, in order to enable counsel to be heard, and that if be (Sir Robert Peel) consented to the second reading, the discussion would be taken on the motion for the Speater's leaving the chair. _ _ Lord JOHN RUSSELL proposed the discussion should take place on the motion for going into Com mittee, and if the discussion extended to such a length as to render it advisable, he should have no objection to postpone the Committee. THE QUEEN AND SIR R. PEEL. Mr. WAKLEY desiryd to ascertain from the Noble Loro, and from the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth, if either of them would offer any opposi tion to amotion for an address to the Crown, praying that copies of the correspondence which had passed between her Majesty and the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth, and which that Right Hon. Baronet had read to the House. should be laid on the table o f tta House. _ _ Lord JOHN RUSSELL should certainly oppose such a motion. Mr. WAKLEY would then give notice that he should shortly bring this matter before the House, and that he should move that this House do present an humble address to her Majesty, that she would be gra ciously pleased to order that there should be laid before this House copies of the correspondence which had passed between her Majesty and the Right Hon. Ba ronet the Member for Tamworth, and which her Ma jesty had been graciously pleased to permit that Right Hon. Baronet to read to the House on the 14th of May last. We understood the Hon. Gentleman afterwards to state that he i n t en d e d to b r i ng f orwar d his motion on the 11th of June. IRISH RAILWAYS. Mr. BARRON wished to ask when it was the in tention of the G overnment to b r i ng th e subject of Irish Railways again before the House. Lord JOHN RUSSELL could not at present fix a day, although he had been very anxious to do so. ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS. Sir R. INGLIS b egge d to pu t a question to the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Home Department. A certain address had been presented to the High She riffof the County of Mayo, the first name to which was that of the L or d Lieutenant of the County. The next, as :reported in the Freeman's Journal, was " John Archbishop of Tuare—(Hear, hear, hear.) He would take no notice o f th e t hi r d s i gnature , gnd would gibe no opinion upon it ; but he wished to ask whether the Noble Lord had intended the Attorney-General for Ireland to take any proceedings in consequence of the assumption of that title, in reference to the clause in the Roman Catholic Act, which prohibited Roman Catholic Prelates from assuming the titles of Protestant dignitaries ? Lord JOHN RUSSELL had not seen the requi sition to which the Hon. Baronet bad alluded ; but in answer to the question put to him, he would state that the Government had not given any directions to the Attorney-G enera l , nor h a d they communicated with the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland on the subject, and without there was an absolute necessity for so doing he should not think it necessary to take any steps in re ference to it. On an occasion when an application was mat to him by a person acting on the behalf of Dr. Al' Hale, asking that certain petitions should be laid before his late Majesty, that individual had taken the title of Archbishop of Tuam, and he (Lord John Russell) im mediately wrote to Lim, stating that he could not pre sent the petition to his Majesty as he had assumed that title.—( Hear, hear, from the Conservatives.) Therefore, whenever it came before him officially he would entirely deny that Dr. 111‘ Hale had any right to assume that title ; but he could not agree in the pro priety or expediency of instituting prosecutions on such a subject.—(Cheers.) Mr. O'CONNELL did not know whether the Noble Lord was aware that there was no such clause as that stated by the Hon. Baronet. The clause prohibited others from giving any Roman Catholic that dignity, but it did not prevent him taking it himself.—(Laughter.) Lord J. RUSSELL replied that, in the case to which he had alluded, the title was not given by another to Dr. M' hale. Whether or not there was that default in the Act mentioned by the Hon. and Learned Member he did not know. Mr. O'CONNELL observed that there was no such Protestant dignitary as the "Archbishop of Tuam" at the present time. There was a Bishop of Tuam, but no Archbishop.—(lronical cheers from the Con servatives.) Sir It. INGLIS said, in consequence of the state ments of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, he had obtained a copy of the Catholic Relief Act, and after perusing it, be was convinced that he (Sir R. Inglis) was right, and the Hon. and Learned Member wrong. The lion. Member then read the section of the Act, from which it appeared that any Catholic Clergyman assuming a title that did not belong to him was liable to be fined to the extent of 1001. Mr. 0 CONNELL after reading the ACt, felt bound tc *clink that he was wrong. Any person in or out of that House might call another the Archbishop of any place, but the individual was not at liberty to assume it himself. ELECTION PETITIONS TRIAL BILL. On the Order of the Day for the House going into a Committee on the Election Petitions Trial Bill being read, Sir E. SUGDEN wished to call the attention of the House to the results that would follow the pas sing of this measure. He thought the House should main tain its authority with respect to all election petitions. He was willing to place the Members under such re strictions in the exercise of the right which they wished to retain as must satisfy the country ; they were de sirous of giving to the country the right of a fair trial of election petitions. The question was, how far the House could furnish such a tr:bunal from within itself. The plan of the Right Hon. Baro net (Sir R. Peel) was a great improvement in the nomination of a General Committee in this respect, that he believed a great part of the evils which had resulted under the old Act, were the conse quence of the excitement which invariably prevailed in the House on choosing the names and striking them. He thought the House might place confidence in the General Committe, but even there there would be two parties. It was impossible it could be otherwise, and they might go on very well together in the appointment of the first six members, but the appointment of the seventh member would always be a matter of contention between them, and eventually it would be a matter of arrangement that the seventh man should be appointed by one party one time and by the other the next time. He thought it was exceedingly dangerous for gentle men unlearned in the law to take upon themselves to decide a point of law ; and although he thought the Bill of his Right Honourable Friend a great improvement, he was afraid that it would not accomplish all that was expected from it, and that assistance would be wanted on points of law. He did not approve of Assessors as a body, but he should like for one Session to try the experiment of affording Committees legal as sistance under the advice and controul of the House, and see how the experiment would work for one Ses sion ; and although he would not object to having a case stated and laid before the Judges for their opinion, yet be knew the opinion of the House was so strong against submitting questions connected with politics to the Judges, that he should be unwilling to recommend such a measure. The House then went into a Committee on the Bill. On clause 22 being put, which was for the appoint ment of a general Committee of Selection, Lord MAHON said lie could not see how the se lection would be made for the purpose of trying Irish Controverted Elections. Three might be appointed on one side, and three on the other, but who was to ap point the seventh ? He did not understand how the seventh Member was to be selected, and considered this point a great practical objection to the Bill.—( Hear, bear.) Sir ROBERT PEEL said the objection proceeded on the assumption that the House was divided into two parties, one of whom was in favour of opening the Registry, and the other against it. He denied that assumption. What would his Noble Friend do on this subject. He would leave the selection to chance ? Would he better it by that? If there happened to be only 50 Members who were willing to attend to the arguments, and not decide according to party motives, he contended that selection would give a better chance of doing justice than mere chance itself.—(Hear.) Mr. SMITH did not think the Bill of the Right Hon. Bart. would remove the inconveniences which at present existed. With respect to the selection, if it should be a good one, it would be better than chance; but he could point out a selection made for party pur poses, which would be infinitely worse than chance. He could not see how the difficulty of choosing the seventh Member could be got over.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL said the Noble Lord opposite (Mahon) was quite correct in stating that the two par ties were divided on the registration, and there were 23 or 24 cases on the subject. The Right Hon. Baronet had asked, why not decide at once whether the re gistry should be open or not? There was no chance of that, for every one knew that this House would close the registry, and the House of Lords would open it. Then, as to the selection being better than chance, he (Mr. O'Connell) did not think that opinion was correct. Selection of juries had been abandoned, and chance adopted in its place.—(Hear, hear.) So that instead of this position being borne out by the practice, the practice was otherwise. The great diffi culty was in deciding on questions of law with a party feeling. There was this to be said for chance, that a person who was defeated by chance was not so much irritated and punished by chance as by a wrong selec tion. But lie had another objection to the clause, on which he would take the sense of the House. The Speaker was to select six ; the six, or four of them, were to select the seven persons who were to try. Thie would be taking away the Speaker's responsibility. If they were to have a selection, he should infinitely prefer that the Speaker should have the responsibility of op. pointing the triers than a mere nominal responsibility, for wherever the responsibility was divided it was taken away.—(Hear, hear.) Lord HO WICK concurred in the arguments of the Noble Lord opposite (Mahon), and of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman near him (Mr. O'Connell) against the principle of selection, but he could not altogether oppose the clause, because many of its arrangements were extremely useful. He approved of the division of the House into panels. He proposed that there should be a ballot for seven Members, and also a ballot for a sup plemental list of seven Members, the latter to be kept sealed, and only opened in case of objections being made to Members in the other list, when those objections should be decided by the Committee of Selection. As to the legal questions, he did not think the House likely to agree on them, but if a competent body of assessors were appointed, these measures might in a short time be settled, and with a Committee elected by chance, justice might be done. The questions of law, upon doubtful words in the Reform Act, would be decided by Members according to the bias of their minds to wards extending or confining the franchise ; and the Committee of Selection would virtually have to decide to which side of the House the disputed seat should belong. This would materially damage the Committee as to the other important duties which they had to per forw. The main question, however, was, whether as sessors should be appointed ; and he (Lord Howick) was strongly inclined to think that they ought. Sir R. PEEL said perhaps he had best answer the various objections as they were urged, as he might for get them.—(A laugh.) He had that confidence in Hon. Members that he believed, when selected and confided in for the performance of a judicial duty, they would carefully discharge it.—(Hear, hear.) He would be quite satisfied with the positive selection of the names by the Speaker ; but he thought it right to preserve to the House a controlling power. It had been said that twenty-three Committees decided according to party bias. Could there be a stronger proof of the defect of the present system of selecting by chance ? ( Hear, hear.) It had also been said that Barristers decided according to party views Did not this prove that party feeling was not confined to that House, and that it would be futile to attempt to remedy the evil of partiality by removing the Jurisdiction from the House, when party feelings were as strong out of the House as in it? If the House were to go on proclaiming to the world its unworthiness to exer cise the privileges which it had possessed for ages, its doors might as well be closed at once. He did not wish to give the Speaker any further responsibility beyond the selection of the six Members. If the ballet were adopted there must be a challenge, and a challenge would necessarily involve party feeling. As to the as sessors, it was an important question whether —sup pose a Court of Appeal from the Revising Bar risters—they should be made assessors to the Select Committee. He entertained the strongest doubt upon that point. Were the assessors to be permanent ? If so, the consequence would be that this House, see ing a body of gentlemen attached to it, with duti es which wo u ld not occupy th em more than one year out of three, four, or five, would naturally endeavour gradu ally to throw upon them a great part of their present private duties. Unfortunately there was a great dis position in the House to shrink from the performance of all duties save those which were connected with party.----(Fear.) When questions of finance, or juris prudence, or commerce came on, Members asked, " 'then: be a division ?" and the answer being " No," they would leave the House.—( Hear, hear.) And if this permanent body of assessors were appointed, the House would soon begin to transfer to them the Pri vate Bill business—for instance ; and so go on, losing the confidence of the people, by converting itself into a mere debating society, and disregarding the laborious portion of their duties.—(Hear, hear.) He was con vinced that there was not in election law so much mys tery as people were in the habit of imagining. He had not, he owned, any peculiar reverence for men who were apparelled in wigs and gowns—(Hear, hear, and a laugh)—and was persuaded that any country gentle man, with the average education and intelligence, would, with a little application, soon be able to make himself master of enough of election law, to be enabled to pre side in an Election Committee—a duty which, in his opinion, required no greater qualifications than those of Chairman of Quarter Sessions.--(Hear, hear.) Mr. C. BULLER thought it was equally open to the House to adopt the plan of assessors, or the Bill of the Right Hon. Baronet. Ile was inclined to con cur with the Right Hon. Bart. as to the great indispo sition on the part of young Members to do the work of the House, and in his total want of reverence for men merely because they wore a wig and a gown ; and also, that Chairmen of Quarter Sessions were perfectly competent to decide most of these questions ; but then men must have acquired the habit of deciding these questions, and it was not the wig and gown, but the habit of deciding these questions that constituted the judge. What he wanted was not so much legal know ledge as a permanent judicial character, and he thought the Members had better be selected from the legal profession, not because they alone were competent to the discharge of these duties, but because their habits were such as to lead them into this habit of thought. His chief object in the appointment of assessors was to procure permanent chairmen. According to the Right Hon. Baronet's plan a Committee which had sat some little time so as to acquire some slight degree of knowledge of election law, and which, perhaps, had come to some important decision, was to be turned adrift, and a new Committee appointed, which would have to acquire anew the same elements of legal knowledge, so that it would be impossible to ensure uniformity of decision. Intelligence, honesty, and ability, gave no security for this, which could only be secured by the same persons always constituting the same tribunal. He thought that the decision of the assessors would be taken as authority on all the common points of law and evidence. The Right Hon. Baronet seemed afraid that the House would de volve upon the assessors duties which the Members of the House themselves now discharged, but he would ask whether those assessors might not advantageously be called upon to perform duties which at present were discharged by no one, such, for instance, as inspecting the drawing up of Acts of Parliament ? And would it not be worth all the expense, to get rid of the injustice of the present system ? He hoped Hon. Gentlemen would come to the discussion of this question in a spirit of fairness, so as to strike out the best plan for the im provement of legislation on this subject. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL objected to the appointment of permanent assessors. It would be more easy to appoint them,should they be found requisite here after, than to get rid of them should they be found use less. He should, therefore, support the motion of the Right Hon. Baronet. Sir ROBERT INGLIS said that, admitting the principle that the House was not to giv . e up its jurisdic tion, he should vote for the Bill of his Right Honour able Friend, although he wished he had proposed first to decide certain questions of principle, such as those of Qualification, and of opening the Registry. If assessors were not to have any authority they would be a useless incumbrance, and if they were to have authority, it would be better for the House to give up its jurisdic tion at once, because it would be conceding the principle. Mr. W ARBURTON was desirous to retain the jurisdiction of that House upon questions like the pre sent. His approbation or disapprobation of the Bill of the Right Hon. Baronet would turn upon what in future were to be the functions of the Committ tee. If the Committees were to be made Appellant Courts from the decisions of the Revising Barristers, he would rather have the choice of having a partial tri bunal than an impartial one. He had no objection to the Committees, as proposed by the Right Hon. Baronet, provided proper questions were referred to them ; such questions, for instance, as bribery, and the errors of the Returnins , Officers. As for the undecided points of law, he agreed ' with the Right Hon. Baronet, that it was for the House to decide them ; because, if assessors were appointed, and they decided doubtful points, contrary to the opinions of the majority of that House, the House would take the decision of them upon itself. He would not object to the Bill now going through Committee, upon the un derstanding that he was not bound by that on the third reading. Sir CHARLES GREY thought the present Bill would have the effect of constituting a far better tri bunal than the one existing at present for deciding controverted elections, but he considered it stopped short of the objects it ought to have in view. It might be said that all that was desirable could not be ob tained in the present measure, and that another Bill was necessary ; but fur his part, he thought it would be advisable that the object should be carried out in one Bill. The main defect was that there was not a tribunal that was competent to pronounce a final and permanent decision. He thought that power should be given to the general Committee of Selection, because if that could be done there would then be no necessity in his opinion for legal assessors. Mr. WYNN was surprised at the length of the discussion that had taken place on the clause, because in fact the whole principle of the Bill had been gone into. With respect to the particular clause, he agreed with the mode in which the Committee were to be appointed, because he thought the six Members would appoint the seventh in a far better manner than the Speaker could. He had no objection to the appointment of an assessor, but he objected to his having any authority or power to vote in the Committee. The Hon. Member for Enid port said they ought to appoint an Appellate Court of Jurisdiction, so that the electors might have an appeal from the decision of the Revising Barrister, in order that some degree of uniformity might he observed. He be lieved that might be effected without burdenin g themselves with any very complicated m ac hin e ry. His Right Hon. Friend the Member for Tamworth had just suggested that that would form more properly the subject of a Regis tration Bill, and lie believed that was the case. Mr. VILLIERS said it appeared the House was almost unanimous in its opinion that an Appellate Court from the decisions of the Revising Barrister should be appointed. If that was done, the matter would be very much simplified, and four-fifths of the business to be decided by the Committee would be at an end. If it was admitted that some change in the present system was necessary, he hoped they would now proceed as they had the means of legislating properly upon the subject. Lord J. RUSSELL was glad to hear the statements of the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton, as they had confirmed the opinions he entertained on the subject. Two important objects were now under discussion— the ensuring a greater degree of certainty in deciding upon votes, and that would be effected by hating an Appel late Court which, it was proposed, should be a permanent tribunal. It was another question, what should be the Court before which petitions complaining of undue elections should be tried. Now if the two questions were separated, it would throw a great deal of light upon the question of whether they should have assessors or not. He thought they might have a Court out of that House for the decision of' votes which had b een heard before the Revising Barrister. When the subject - was last before the House, he was of opinion that it would be useful to have an assessor for the Election Committees ; but he owned be saw many objections to the plan, when he considered it • a little further, because it was a break ing in upon the principle which he wished to maintain, that their decisions shpuld be made by Members of the House, and that they should not go out of the House for parties to decide these questions. It was not, how ever, necessary that the two objects should be com bined. He thought it would be better if the Honourable Member for Liskeard took his clauses out and embodied them in a separate Hear.) He should give his vote, however, against professional men being appointed as Chairmen of the Election Com mittees. There was also some objection to the Right Hon. Baronet's plan of General and Select Committees. It would be difficult to have a General Committee which would agree for a long time in the appointment of Select Committees. There would, after two or three Committees were chosen, be some difference of opinion among them, and the question then would arise that six Members had been chosen, but as to the seventh they must choose a party man, and there the unanimity was at an end—there the difficulty was insurmountable. He thought it would be better to have only six,Members chosen by the General Committee, and then to have a separate list of, %ay 40 Members, out of which the seventh Member (the Chairman) should be chosen. Let the names be put down on that separate list alpha betically, and the first name be appointed to the first Committee, and so on, till the list was exhausted.— (Hear, hear.) Mr. C. BULLER agreed in the suggestion of the Noble Lord, and would withdraw his clauses.— ( Hear, hear.) He had certainly been a good deal staggered as to the propriety of his mode of appoint ' ing the assessors. The Court of Appeal was, how ever, the most important part of the plan in his opinion, and it struck him that when that Court was appointed it would cut away so much of the busi ness of the Election Committees, that it would be much less onerous, and there would be no necessity for a permanent Chairman to be paid by the House. Sir R. PEEL submitted that the proper time for arguing the mode of a ppointment of Chairman would be when they arrived at that clause. They were now discuss ing the clause as to the appointment of assessols. At EVENING EDITION. the same time ho had not the objection to the appointment of a Court of Appeal for the decisions of the Revising Barristers. He no wish to retain the seventh mae in the appointment of the Election Com mittee, illthough le wet free to confess that that was the real dilliculty of the ease. It would however be time enee,ifu to discusl that when they came to the clause for appointing the Chairman. Mr. O'CONNELL thought it would be well that the Hon. Member for Liskeard should prepare his Bill for establishing a Court of Revision, and let it be brought forward so as to leave that House along with the Bill then under discussion. It was a matter of congratulation to him that, throughout the whole of the discussion upon that Bill, no one had even attempted to defend the present system. Sir C. GREY and Mr. RICH severally withdrew the clauses of which they had given notice. The clause was then agreed to. So also were clauses up to 38. Clauses 39, 40, and 41, were also agreed to. On clause 42 being read, Lord JOHN RUSSELL suggested that a certain number of Members should be appointed by the Speaker as permanent chairmen, and that they should be taken in rotation to act as chairman in each Committee. Sir ROBERT PEEL did not object to the princi. ple of the proposition, but thought there would be diffi. etilties in the practical working of it. Mr. CHARLES BULLER thought, that instead of taking chairmen in rotation the Committee of Chairmen should itself elect the Chairman, by which it would be uncertain who would have to act as Chair man of any Committee. A desultory conversation ensued, in which Mr. Kelly, Sir G. Clerk, Mr. Wynn, Mr. Evans, Sir R. Inglis, and other Hon. Members took a part, most of them in favour of the Noble Lord's proposition, after which, The clause was agreed to, as were clauses 43, 44, 45, and 46. Clause 47, after a few words from Sir Robert Peel, Mr• Wynn, Mr. Warburton, and Lord Howick, was agreed to. Clause 48 was agreed to with a few verbal amend ments. Clauses 49, 50, 51, 52, were agreed to without any amendments. Clause 53 was agreed to after a few observations from Sir Denham Norreys and Sir Thomas Free mantle. Clauses from 54 to 80 were agreed to with a few verbal amendments. Clauses 81, 82, and 83 were then agreed to, after some verbal amendments. Clauses 84 and 85 were then agreed to. Clause 5 was postponed. Sir C. GREY thought that a Committee of six Memhers of the House, selected by the Speaker, would forth a competent tribunal for reconciling conflicting decisions, and preserving one uniform body of law. After a few words from Mr. WARBURTON, clause 5, with a verbal amendment, was agreed to. Mr. C. BULLER said he should withdraw all the clauses he had proposed to introduce with regard to the assessors, and was quite ready to make those clauses he had intended to propose, establishing a Court of Appeal from the decisions of the Revising Barristers, the foundation of a separate Bill. Mr. WARBURTON had no objection to a Court of Appeal. Sir ROBERT PEEL said if the Court of Appeal were to be merely a Court of Appeal from the decision of the Revising Barristers, he should give his assent to the principle of it. Mr. AGLIONBY suggested a reduction in the number of Revising Barristers. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that he thought a great part of the benefit of the present Bill would be lost unless some such measure as that suggested by the Hon. Member for Liskeard were agreed to. The House resumed. The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again. WINDSOR CASTLE STABLES BILL. __ On the Report of the Windsor Castle — Stables Bi being brought up, GOULIIiJRN said he thought that before call ing upon the House to make this appropriation of the public money, the House ought to have the estimates before it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUE R said he would first call the attention of the House to the distinction he had drawn last night between the general land revenue of the Crown, which was public property, and th e f un d s d er i va bl e f rom the funds which were und er th e di rec ti on o f t h e C om mssioners of the Woods and Forests, w hi c h were not part of the public revenue, and f rom w hi c h i t wa s intended to derive the means for the erection of these stables. The present stables were in such a state of dilapidation as to be a constant source of expense to seep them in repair. It was proposed to sell them, and apply the proceeds to the building of the new ones. It was estimated that the site of the stables would sell for 10,0001. The Royal stables at St. James's, without any riding house, cost between 60,0001. and 70,0001., and it was essential to her Majesty's health that she should have the opportunity of taking horse exercise which could not be the case unless the riding house were erected, and the only estimate that could_ be possibly furnished was that these stables would cost 70,000/., which Sir J. Wyattville in his original plan had estimated at upwards of 100,000/. Colonel SIBTHORP had listened to the statement with great pleasure, and would agree to anything likely to conduce to the comfort of her Majesty. Mr. WILLIAMS had understood thiit all the Crown property was public property, and contended that the whole of the expense would be defrayed by the public. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex plained. Lord DUNGANNON would be sorry to see the day when any thing regarding the improvement of a national monument like Windsor Castle should become matter of cavil in that House. Mr. M. PHILLIPS said his only object was to as' certain the bona fide sum which would be required, and he thou g ht th a t it wou ld present t h e contract being taken economically if the suns agreed to be voted were known before hand. Mr. J. BARING said a few words that were in audible in the Gallery. Mr. WAKLEY said, when he reflected on the man ner in which union workhouses, were built, he thought such a sum being voted for stables was an extrava gance that the present state of the finances of the country did not warrant, and lie would move, as an amendment, that the sum be reduced to .50,000/. The amendment not having been seconded, the Re port was agreed to, and leave given to bring in a Bill. Lord JOHN RUSSELL, in answer to a question from Colonel Sibthorp, said, if he proceeded with the Registration of Electors Bill, it would not be the men sui e now before the House. If they proceeded w ith any Bill, it would be one which his Learned Friend the Attorney-General would introduce to the House. TIIE CHARTISTS. Lord DUNGANNON moved for a return of anY communication received by her Majesty's Secretary of State for the Home Department, from the various local authorities in England and Wales, relative to the as' scniblin,g together and arming of certain persons deno minating themselves Chartists. Lord J. RUSSELL could not agree to the return , as it would be making public confidential commutoca tions. Col. SIBTIIORP thought the return ought to be granted, for if it were not it would be thought there was something they were afraid to disclose. Mr. WAKLEY believed that the accounts o f the people arming in the country had been greatly exag gerated. He trusted that the Noble Lord, if he could do so consistently with his duty, would grant the return. Lord J. RUSSELL said, that the meetings held in the Whitsun-week were of a fir less illegal character than he had been led to expect from th e threats held out and the language used by misguided persons ; and that the Commander in the Northern District had stated that that part of the country was in a more satisfactory state than it had been for some time. Lord DUNGANNON would not press his motion after the statement of the Noble Lord. Mr. FINCH thought the accounts of the people arming were grossly exaggerated. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER obtained leave to bring in a Bill to make perpetual Act l Vic. c. 80, to exempt certain bills of exchange and promissory notes from the operation of the usury laws. The RIGHT HON. GENTLEMAN, in answer to a question from Colonel Sibthorp, said that the re turns now before the House included all the expenses of the mission of the Earl of Durham to Canada. If any further information came to his knowledge, it should be laid before the House. 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