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d an . was refused liberty to latfd in England. His object in all u di ng tolhe internal conduct of Go vernment was to ; show .their participation at home in those -general principles of. oppression which the Allies had openly professed and carried into effect abroad. It was to prove that we, by our Alien /Act,. had cut, 'Off that retreat which was formerly open to the oppressed of other States, and done all in our power to make the territory of continental Sovereigns the atingeon of perhaps their most meritorious subjects. In order to catty on their designs 'with less. opposition from the general - feelings of mankind, the Allies called_ th ose whom they wished to oppress by obnoxious. names. Thus the Noble Lord, when defending .the Austrian invasion of Na- Ple. ) said that that Power did not resort to arms to conquer the Neapolitan . people, L'aut,to suppress an Italian sect called the Car ponari. The title included of- course all those 1141 ;3 showed. dissatisfaction at existing abuses, a nd made exertions to reform them. In this 11 " 1 §e his Hon. Friend the Member for Aber deen) and those who- joined in opposing .extrava gant grants of the , public money, were the Car bonari of the House of Commons (a laugh) ; those, Ivll`.° exerted themselves for the reform of' abuses io Ireland were the Carbonari . there ; and the Coostitezionalists of France, Spain, and _ Ger nlan.Y) were the Carbonari of-those countries. In short, all who in - consequence of exerting them selves for an ex t ens i on o f lib er ty, an d w h o th u s merited the displeasure of an oppressive Govern ment, were in Italy called Carbonari. Those, h oweyer, were the very men whom the .Allies f ound it-convenient to support and to encourage i A ll.- the time of Buonaparte. wished that the 'lnks, when they finally subdued that individual, and were called upon in 1815 to settle the state of Europe, h a d ac t e d u p o n amore just and li beral system, and had not imitated the policy of l ihe-Sovereign w h o m they overthrew. They had, '" ). tvever, established tyranny on spoliation ; and 1 ,,. t was therefore unjust to imprison the ex-Ern- Kror" of France, for conduct much less-tyran ni6al and oppressive than that of those who now ex ercise(!the power of which he was deprived. tif he had seen peace and s'ecurity established in Eur ope, as the consequence of sacrificing an in 11viilua I, of whose tyrannical acts he (Mr. Hutch ins") never approved ; - he might have been re c°Pciled to the idea of seeing him in confinement, and ourselves the gaolers of Continent. But when he saw those who declared against his des= i'° * tism, exercising a still more despotic sway, and ventin g thei r p e tty ma lic e under the pretence ' 4 ; justice, o n one less tyrdnnical than them selves ; when lie saw then opposing all attempts a t the establishment of constitutional freedom ; ` .°11 .." :he sa w th a t what they called peai e . was no Pe ace ; that what - they called independence was a license..to the powerful to oppress the• weak ; 'when he' saw all this,. he could not conceive an ex cuse for detaining Buonaparte, and he would fall noon the Noble Lord to justify such an act. Oelat lie was an usurper in a certain sense, could not denied ; but what worse had he done , than his le . giti n i a t e successors i n power ? He begged here I n , understood as attacking the policy and not Personal conduct of the emperors. The,prin. 'Ties which they had laid down, in their late de. f,'" bons, would warrant an attack on this country, Ministers, in any emergency, called for their as sistance;":lli adverting to the conduct Of Austria Naples, he must severely reprehend the • rttelties practised since hor treops occu p iedp capital, 'where the flogging, imprisoning, : 1 7.d shooting 'of these who' had acted under !,.. King's Commission • w'ere ,carlied on in ,Kiri . g'S name. There must be a .re-ac " Europe ; • and a terrible re-action ;. 'anles, Piedmont,. Parma, were taken military P"sesSion Of. The Noble Lord had 'been de- L r !'" Of peace : was this the sort of peace that lie.desired ? Spain, too, was threatened ; and the „ nr rers to he apprehended in that' country were Ftributable to the threats, of the Allies. He he - troops that Russia - had been disposed to march s r eops to Spain; if The King of France had been ti r :' besotted as to have su ff ered them to pass' :•'- r ° l lgh his dominions. That • was believed in i s i!aio,and the House might loOk at the circurn frahces which were the result of that belief. The 4 "Se owed it to 'mankind - in getieral to mate declar a tio n against the principles on which such ''"" c eeditic , ,:s . took place. If such,Principles should i:Vone to be acted on, Europe must and ought i la ,"e gene r ally convulsed . B u t th e a lli e d p ower s 4 ' l , l Tied e 'the Noble Lord a party to those pro- Ntigs; - They were traced to the principles Areed•O n at Vi enna. There it appeared a se cret article b e t w e en R ussia an d th e Ki ng o f Na pres7 by which the latter became bound not to in trol'l•l&e any c ha nge a d verse t o th e managemen t o f Aus tria . in its Italian . States. The Noble Lord oi as thus a p.arty in a minor way. fie would caution c h: Noble Lord against persevering in such con faieit• The charaCter of this country had infinitely v. 14" since 1793. He meant not its military touraeter, but the character of its policy. If the s e 'which - had thus degraded the character of r ope e ° lintry should be continued, we and all Eu (Ne r oost be involved in the ruinous conse ed b e es•—(Hear.)—The Hon. Member conclud „ Y //loving ( x i peo at this nonse, the Reprysentatives of a free and enlight the Ple, has witnessed with the greatest concern and alarm ttlrovents which have lately taken place on the Continent of ;is to t l e; and also the open and insulting avowal of pretensions Petrie et as they are dangerous, and which are in direct opp the principles of our own Revolution, and to the inde fore tee of other nations. That an humble Address be there elle_ presented to bis Majesty, requesting him to use his infiu tilideo_at.id authority to gecure to the minor States of Europe their Asw.„ form and, till nowi• never disputed right to choose their 4 3 , : _.torra of Government, and also to remonstrate with his the assumption of powers never beihre claimed, Which p os r t ri n ce new principles into the laws of nations, in direct op rse to all former practice and precedent, and which, if isbvr ied in and acted upon, would not only prevent the estd irkent of all rational librty, but tend to ren d er perpetual czPoti srns of he The Mzirquis of LONDONDERR Y had listened with. great attention to the speech of the Hon. Gentleman, and hoped, if he did not follow him Through his statements (which he had no inten tion of doing) that it would not be imputed to a llY personal disrespect. When the Hon. Gen - tlernan thought it right .to bring before the House the whole policy a- the country for the last 30 ,)'ears —when the lists were so widely pitched, that hardly - any limiis btu-. those of Europe —,or ratlick of space, could be. named as cOmpreherut in4. all the topics he' had brought into discussion, it was hardly to be expected that he should at tempt to follow him; as on these,. in the course of one night, it would be impossible for the House to'corne to any decision. It was certainly open to the Hon. Member to lay before the House his view of the transactions which he had made the subject of his speech, but it was unnecessary for him to follow' the Honourable Gentleman, as it was clear it would lead to no practicable result. In reviewing the system which had been acted' upon, the Hon. Gentleman had been pleased to attach infinitely more importance to the share which he (the Marquis of Londonderry) had had in the events comprehended within the period of which he had spoken. For a consider able portion of that period, he (Lord London derry) had certainly been in a situation which precluded him froM doing much mischief. The Hon. Gentleman might indulge in that sort of protest against a long course of measures which he had this night made, but, as he had already stated, it was utterly impossible for the House on this oc casion to come to any rational decision on their merifs. He might, however, be allowed to say, that he had not thatloveof tyranny-which the Hon. Member's speech would impute. The acts to which he had been a; party, so far as his under standing enabled him to judge of them, were of a character . opposite to that which had been given. to them,—at leaSt he could not but view them in - a directly opposite light. He was as friendly to rational freedom .as the Hon. Member or any other Gentleman could be, and- as anxious to support the character and influence of this country ; but he could not agree 'that we had a right to be the active regulators of the affairs of alt the countries in Europe. We had a right to adopt such measures as were necessary to pre serve the liberties of this country, and we had naturally -an • interest in seeing- the liberties of other countries' flourish. But he must deprecate the idea that no Government was to stir but in accordance with our feelings—that no State Paper was to be issued which was not exactly such as that House could approve ; but . they were to be called upon to expreSs disapprobation, and in fact to intermeddle with matters which they did not understand, and of which still less , could they comprehend the pOlicy. Such a course he could not approve, and he. was as much-opposed to the theory of the Honourable Gentleman as - he could be to its practice. The measures heretofore adopted by this, country were for the preServa lion of - its own liberty. The ,Government of England had not been knight-errants, traversing Europe to redress all grievances, and bring up every country to a standard of ideal parfection. Than this nothing would be more likely to en gage the country in a War—nothing so likely to lose us all the benefits we had obtained by our past exertions, and impose upon us all the evils of a new struggle. The Allied 'Sovereigns were undoubtedly possessed of great power, which, well applied, might prove largely conducive to the best..interests Of Europe.; and it was, there'-' fore, the more necessary to observe the greatest caution - where they were concerned: As the Hon. Gentleman had protested generally against the system acted upon- both at home and abroad, he (Lord - Londonderry) must protest as generally against that' system which the Hon. Gentlemen wished to introduce. He did not know that. he could do better, under ,all the circumstances Of the case, than finish by leaving protest opposed to protest; The House would determine which was best founded, and he should be perfectly content with a drawn battle. The Hon. Gentle man had in his speech endeavoured to cover all the events of the- late war ; but in his Motion he ' had thought it necessary to come down to modern time, and it was accordingly made to apply to' late events, State Papers lately issued, " Minor Powers of Europe," and, what we ought 'to- do to enable them to Choose_ Governments for 'themselves. He could juSt imagine . what the Hon. Gentleman meant.; but it was most extraordinary that he should come for 7• ward with a sweeping propositien; .calling- upon the House to act on events- that were not named - documents that were not before thein ; 'and for countries that :were not more distinctlY Specified than by being-described-as , " the minor powers." —He was inclined to think that some of thOse whom the Hon. G-entlenian -Wished. 'to', befriend., would not feel much obliged to - hid for the com pliment he paid them in calling the countries to which they belonged the minor powers. The motion of the Hon. Gentleman might prevent some of the oppressed from applying to this.coun, try for relief. It was possible that they would decline calling on England for- aid, that they, might escape - being classed with the," minor powers." .An -Hon, entleman would to-morrow bring forward a motion on some of 7the topics comprehended in the statement of the Ilon..Gen, tleman. But' the Hon. Member, whose motion came on to-morrow; began by moving for papers on which he might hereafter found a charge, in stead of making the,_charge without laying any foundation whatever. The Hon; Gentleman had overleaped all the usual preliminary forms, and had proceeded to his object at once. Though he spoke thus shortly, he hoped he should not, be thought to have treated the Hon. Gentleman with disrespect, by not. attending to what he had stated. It might be natural for that Hon. Gen. dermal to state what his views ,were on the sub-' jects which he had brought forward ; but for the reasons which he had already given; it was- im possible for him to follow the course of his state ments. He' must protest against discussing- the various matters which had been touched upon 'in thi s w ay. He hardly knew of. one in the course of his extended statement which had not already been discussed once, if not oftener. The proceed ings of the Congress of Vienna (if the subject were not too important to be treated in a paren thesis of a speech, he would protest against the principles. imputed to that . Congress) had been before the House—the case of.. Genoa had been debated--4he affairs of Naples had been elaborately iliscussed in the early.pant of . the present Session—and the grounds on which . Bonaparte had been confined in St. Helena, ,had alsO been under their consideration. .In fact, he: could net imagine any. one topic of those-now , broueit fotward ; that had not been already dis. posed of by the Itodse.. to bring any: one. of these fairly under con sideration again, he would• meet him with the necessary papers, and if an evening- were set apart for the question, in the course of the'dis= cussion, they might be able to make themselves intelligible to the House. But it was almost im possible to do so if the whole of the topics were taken up in one Debate. To a motion like the present, he thought the House could not hesitate to give a direct negative ; as it went to offend and, provoke—and he thought justly to offend and provoke other Governments, by the interference which it called for, when no documents were be fore the House, or any data to justify such inter ference. Sir RoncaT WILSON said, the Noble Lord for got that the manifestos and documents alluded to were accompanied with arms, with invasion and occupation, with bloodshed andoppression. The • Allied 'Powers stood condemned, not by docu ments, but -by acts. Stripped of diplomatic phraseology, what were their acts ? - They showed their•love of independence by invading indepen- , dent nations. They testified their love of liber ty by proscribing a whole nation for the damnable heresy of a constitutional creed. They consigned to punishment in Italy more ,persons in two months, than the French Government had done in two years. Their liberty of the press was, to suffer no book to be printed but at the Govern , meat press. Their attachment to monarchy was manifested by 'placing on a throne, .one who left his people pledged to support theirrights, and re turned to consign them• to death or imprisonment. The Al lied P•owers had declared that they would recognize no change but suchas should emanatefrom the well-weighed consideration of those whom God' had made responsible for the exercise of power. This restored monarch was one of the enlighten ed persons whom God thus made responsible. 7— As a proof of his enlightened wisdom he appoint ed two chambers, and reserved to himself to re ward the .serond ,according to their services.— This was the constitution which this enlightened and responsible monarch gave. It was a select vestry government. Such had been the treachery of that Government, that all the circumstances of the dispersion of the army had be • sub jectbeen the of official communications .to. the Courts of foreign nations., This he could prove; but, in fact, all the. Allied Powers ~were :trinliling' in feirr of the events that might result from such proceedings.. lie would _support the oration of his 'Hon. Friend. * Mr. II wrcurNsoN replied. The Noble Lord had taunted him with having gone Into <an ekpli cation of the system under-which the liberties.of eyery.free people in Zurope were about to he, destroyed. These insults of the Noble Lord he de spised :jot as a man he felt he stood on grounds far,sktperior to the N061,-; Lord; he would be dis tinguished among the freemen .of -England and of Europe as having 4 .together - with' his Hon: and Gallant Frientl-, -stood.- forward to advocate the birthrights of mairkind ;• as such he disregarded the taunts or insults of - the Noble Lord. What had an neretl -Belgium tolfoliand but a system of spolia tion?-: What : ha-clan:toted Saxony to Germany but a system' of taPoliation.? - Who :had- given up Genoa:? e - .. -would Arisier, the-'Noble' Lord hittiself ? Whohatt given tip Parga ? He would reply;:the Noble •-Lord himself. Why had ..not the-Noble •Lrftd, , tthiringthe late invasion of .Na pies, --tolet - tbo:atuirrians, that if they advanced one step Further would blow them-out of the AdriatiCl-=(.A•datigh.)--He contended,' •there fore, that the w-hole- proceedings of the Conti nent, since the peace of - 1815 had been con ducted -on _assystem of. spoliation. The Noble Lord hatFprotestect - against_ his (Mr. IL's) sys tem. Now he had produced no system at He had only,complained of the system of the- Noble Lord.' did- concerned that the Noble. Lord had -. found -no - way of treating this grave :subject but by turning it into ridicule. If liberty was--sulfered to be put down in this way, and- if --a.Minisker was allowed: to treat such it, subject with ridirn-le, he foresaw that their-own liberties- would-he threatened.. What would be the effect-abroad when the determination of the Noble -Lords should be publicly 'known ? Every one who knew Spain, knew that that country was now trembling under the apprehen sion of -a •foreign invasion, - and that some of its inhabitants- had taken up arms, under the expectations , of that foreign assailance. Would the manner in which the• Noble Lord had treated this subject tend, to introduce tranquillity ? He felt disposed to-discuss this subject with all dge respect for the House.' He considered it a ques tion deeply affecting the liberties of Europe, and of this country also: He hail endeavoured to do his duty, and he should- at all times take the op portunity of introducing- such subjects to the House. The Noble Lord was in fact a sleeping partner in the Holy Alliance ; he was too good a judge to commit himself openly in any state pa per, but whenever the outrageous proceedings of that Alliance were, brought before the-House, he was amongst the foremost of its defenders. The Hon. Member concluded - by apologising to' the House for the time which he had occupied.—The House then divided— For the notion - - - 28 Against it - - - - 117 Majority againstF the. m otion - POOR RELIEF BILL. . When we re-entered the Gallery, we found that Mr. Scarlett had moved the further consi deration of the Poor Relief Bill. Mr. CAI:CR.I4'T thought it would be desirable that the debate oh this.important•subject should not be gone into lvithout a chance ,of concluding it. As there we's no possibility that this Bill should pass in the present Session, it would not he inconvenient for his lion. and Learned Friend to postpone the debate.to a future, though not distant day. Mr. SCA IMETT did not wish to press.en the de bate against the pleasure of the House ; but he saw no prospect on any futUre night of so full an attendance.-(Cries of " on !no !") Mr. CALCRAFT said, if it was the pleasure of . • the House that ,the debate should proceed, he, would go on—on—(Criesries of ".. g o op no I") After some delay, Lord LONDONDEIIIiY SKid a few words in favour of the continuance of the dis cuAs;tin. • • • Mr. CALCRAFT again rose, and said that lie was perfectly convinced of the impassibility of adopting the principles laid . down .in the Bill Of his Hon. and Learned. Friend at this or any other time. . It was his intention to enter into a short examination of those propOsitions, and • before 'doing so, he must take the. liberty to say, that in his opinion the inconvenience and burthens said to be created by the present state of the Poor Laws, were greatly exaggerated. He felt friendly to the present system; and most of all* he felt friendly to a compulsory levy for the support of the poor ; and the very. first principle of the Bill now proposed went to cut that up by the roots. Ifs lianOurable and • Learned Friend said a maximum must be fixed beyond which no sums shotild. be levied. This was his original . proposition. But he had since introduced mo difications which proved a want of confidence in his own principle. The next proposition went to operate as a penalty upon all poor persons who .married after the passing of the Act. No person who so married was to receive parochial relief being able to work. Now every one 'must know that. the fluctuation in .our manufactures caused by chance, by caprice, by change of fashions, would often leave person's with every disposition to work, and who were most valuable members of society, totally unable to procure . it. In such cases the measure of his Hon.: and Learned Friend must lead to one of two alternativesoamely, star-1 vation Or intestine commotion. With regard to the abrogation of the Law of. Settlements, his Honourable and Learned. Friend again distrusted his principle,and proposed modifications which must be attended 'with a degree of difficulty and litigation which would almostcreate an impossi bility of carrying them into effect.. It was said by the supporters of the measure, that the ener gieS and morals of the popr had derereased or dis appeared. He believed that if they went into a comparison of the morals of the present genera tion of the poor with those of any other, the con elusion would be greatly in their favour. The People- Of this country were a moral, bravo, and as energetic' a people as any race of men upon the earth. His Hon. and Learned Friend also said that the existing law of settlement prevented the free circulation of labour. Now the great manufactories, and the great public Works which were being carried on in different parts of the country, was a practical contradiction to any such "assertions. Again it was said, that the present system of laws gave indiscriminate relief. As far as his own experience as a -Magistrate went, he had never seen relief granted without an ex amination being first made, as to the fitness of the 'applitant. His Hon. and Learned Friend had made choice of the most improper of all periods for trying an experiment of this nature. There . was now a greater stagnation in the demand for labour thanhad been experienced for many years . past, and, as he hoped, than would be experi enced for many years to. come. Yet this. was 'a time at which his Hon. and Learned Friend pro posed to take away that systerdby whiCh the poor received relief, of .which they never before .stood in so much need. Many millions of the sums stated as the . amount of the Peor Rates wereactually wages paid to the poor for labour. Taxation:was amongst - the•great causes of the in crease -of those. rates,. and. he believed they had only increased in „proportion to the increase of the National 'Debt, and the rental of the king dom.- But- with this- increase of the general wealth of the nation, the land only had to bear the burthens which necessarily accompanied it. His Hon. and Learned Friend'Ought to have applied himself to the discovery of some means fOr imposing the,support of-the poor equally - upon the different sources of , wealth which had. sprung up, and whith had been declared:bythe highest authority , to beleg, - ally entitled to contribute to that 'sup port. • lie 'hoped this view of the subject would be taken up by the House ip another Session. He did not mean to defend altogether the pre ent state of our systein, but he Was . anxious to g,ivertelear and decided -opinion that-the prin ciples.. contained in the Bill before the Houie were Wholly impracticable. The question had really been argued as if' the poor people of this country-did nothing at all 'for themselves. To prove how fallacious such an argument was, he would refer to a .case at Leicester, which had been communicated to him by several Gentlemen in that town. - The sum of 17,0001. Wag paid to the poor of Leicester in the course of a few months. But what would' the House say, that 9,0001. of that sum was paid by the labouringartizans them selves ? That amount was actually raised by them-, selves, by weekly Subscriptions from their wages. He hoped that in another SeSsien the subject would. be undertaken upon ir - nore enlarged views and broader principles. He thought it advisable that it should again be sent to a, Committee of intelligent men, from which some'such' a mea sure was likely to emanate. He hoped that he had said nothing likely to excite or encourage any improper spirit amongst the poor. The,prin ciple upon which he was anxious to see Our Sys tem placed was, that no relief should:be afforded to those who were able to work, -except through labour. He thought this principle might . ba act ed upon under 04 present laws, and Its having .been too-much overlooked' was one great cause of the evils which had tndoubtedly arisen. These being his sentiments, he should oppose all, the principles upon which the Bill was founded. Mr.MA.Nsrim - Lo - concurred in all that had hi , en so ably stated .by the Hon. Member who spoke laSt. He corroborated' the statement of that, Hon. Member resPeUting the Poor at. Leicester, and contended that it was a complete contradie-, .tion to those supporters of the measure beThre the House, who asserted that-the spirit of the people . was gone. Perhaps they should hereafter hare the .satisfaction .and happiness to find-, that in other places, as well as in Leicester,-_thes.e exec.: Lions to'have been made by the poor, instead' of their, being in that state of &moralization with which they were charged. 1k believed, from the experience of a Magistrate during the perkds of the greatest distress, that the .people were` as unwilling to receive relief as the, rich : were to afford. tit.' MI they wanted was work, and a r;air pricf for their, labour. Mr. LOCKIIART contended, that although the Poor of this. Country- bad evinced - the. greatest energy. and virtue;. xet those -qualities were be ginning to.be sapped by the operation of the . preiii - : sent system of Poor. Laws. The Hon. 'and Learned .Member objected to the proposed inaximum unless the'Parish gave sPeciafunder 'taking to-pro - Vire for - their poor.' They ought at least to ascertain whether the poor man with a piece of ground could not support himself. The proposition as it stood was worse than Mr. Spence's system. The proposition to 'prevent• imprudent marriages was also highly-objection- . able, but under all the consideration due to the he gave his qualified support to the Bill, and considered his Hon. and Learned Friend entitled to the thanks of the country for' giving the House an opportunity to discuss a sub ject of so much importance. It was most obvious that something - Must be done to remedy' the evil. Mr. I3EnNAL, also objected' to a _maxiinum, on the ground that any advantage--which Might arise from such an arrangement would be reduced almost to . nothin!r ' by the clause which dispensed with it in case ofd scarcity of provisions.. The proposed regulation to prevent' improper mar riages, would not relieVe parishes from the ex pence of keeping-illegitimate children, liFt tend to increase it. That circumstance alone 'would induce the House to pause before they. Passed such a Bill. The Hon. and. Learned Gentleman before he introduced the Bill, should have con sidered the Acts in force against artisans, ,and . the difficulty under which they . are placed ,with respect to obtaining employment% ••The Law of SettleMent was also a proper subject for' - cousi-; deration. It was so clefectiVe, that Parishes were constantly put to. great expence. Some amend= ment of the Poor Laws was necessary before the House could adopt the Bill. Mr. F. Lewissaid' he felt strong objections to the proposed measure, and was obliged to vote . against it. The system of Poor Laws, .and the practice founded upon those.laws, had long been an incipient evil. It laid the axe to the root of British prosperity, and unless the effect was counteracted, pauperises would be general. He was ready tO • contend that the distress unfortunate ly seen in most parts of the country, did not de- - pend on temporary circumstances. It had been re gularly progressive. The Poor Rates had increas ed year after year since 1740, and no man. could say the country had reached the greatest expense, Looking to the increase of Poor Rates, and the amount of rental, it was impossible to stint their eyes against the progress of the evil, which he considered to arise from the operation of the Poor Laws. The Hon. Member commented upon the construction . of the 43d of Elizabeth, and other Acts for relief of the poor, contending, that holding out a promise to relieve persons in a state ornecessity, was not likely to do much good in society, inasmuch as idleness was encouraged.— The misery arising from the Law of Seitleinent was well known.. Doctor Burn, in his Re- ' marks upon the Poor Laws, said, the Law of Settlement led to . war betq een parishes;..and , produced ruinous expence. The remedy was in his opinion a revision of the law applicable to the Poor, for the purpose of making it apply to a pro.. per time of practice. Pecuniary relief shotild be . given only to those who.are disabled by bodily infirmity, and unable to support themselves... By the statute of Elizabeth, Justices had not the power to 'compel paupers to work, unless they are .: poor and • impotent. • Lord Chief Justicellolt, under the 43d of. Elizabeth,. declared that the - Overseers had not power to set able-bodied Men to work. There was a' class of laws which rip- plied to persons of 'that description. The. Hon..-, Member pointed out numerous defectS in the practice with respect to paupers, which he cori - ' tended ought to he removed -before the House,) could entertain the Bill then under discussion. Mr. COLIRTENAY rose to speak to the question. Sir 'R. WILBON moved that . the House do - now adjourn, as it Viasimpossible to do justi6e . to the question if the debate were continued at this late hour of the night. Mr. NOLAN seconded the motion. for Adjournment., . Mr. SCARLETT had no objection to the nroposition of h;s Honourable and Gallant Friend, for it was his intcrest'as well as 'his anxious wish that the question should receive all possible. discussion. After a few words from Mr. T. COURTENAY and Mr. F. PALMER, the motion for the Adjournment of the Nhate Oo this day tThursday) was agreed to without a division. Mr. ROBINSON movedthe Order of the Day for the Com mittee on the Corn Averages Bill. Mr_ MABERLY and. Mr. F. PALMER -objected on ac.. count of the lateness of the hbur. The House then went into the Committee, and the Report was ordered to he ieceived on Friday. Mr. HUME gave notice of a motion for the Reduction of tbe Military Ekpenditure, on Monday next. ' Mr. R. MARTIN moved the third reading of the Bill for' preventing.Cluelty to Horses. • • • Mr. C. 'W NN said, it was quite impossible to go into the discussion of the Bill at that late hour of the night. ..Mr. ELLICE moved, as an Amendment, that the Bill. be read a third time this day six nionths. G. - BENNET recommended the postponement of the Bill. • Mr. IL MARTIN consented to postpone the third reading of the Bill to. Monday-next. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought in a Bill, founded on the Resolution voted in the Committee of Sup ply, for the Grant of 60001. a year to the Duke of Clarence, to gether with the Arrears of 18 3 9001.; and moved that it fie.read a first time. . ' , .... . Mr.'G. BENNET objeCted to the motion, and expressed his determination to oppose the Bill in every stage. He should move that the House now adjourn—(Cries of " No ; nod" from the Ministerial Benches.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose:to ad dress the Mouse, 'btif • • ..Mr. G. BENNET moved, that the House be counted. Strangers were ordered to withdraw; and therenot being 40 MeMbers present, the House* adjourned at HALr-rA'sT ON o'CLocx to this day.' - • ' , • , CONSTITUTIONAL ASSOCIATION.-- MANs7oN liousE...-----The Loan MAyort having appointed yesterday'morning for giving his final decision on the notable, application -of .Mr. Ex-Sheriff:PAß. BINS, respecting the:-CoNsTiTuTioNAL ASSOCIA. •I`lolst, the Justice. Room was.crowded to excess 'at an early hour by persons who were curious to know the result. Mr. PA IIRE•T', attended bfaVii. THACKERAY, and one of Mr: IlArottErt'sClerks, attended. a little after twelve o'clock, ..and,.vvas admitted.to . a .private interview. with the Lotto MAYOR. His Lordship then informed the.parties that he. had consulted the-Statute, and had also taken the legal opinions of the City Lawyers, from which he felt he would be acting right in receiving the Informations, in; other that the ques tion might be fully ; discussed,. Accordingly, sutnrooltiO were gKanted agr t inst CHARL-csAVlsurt 'itA, • .pent„- n and Attorney 'at Law, and J. B. sipArdrE,trie - nonora r ytlecretary of the Asibcia tion. The fival hearing is . fiied fOr'nextSattuay.