The Sun. — London, England, 1844-05-01 00:00:00

~,,a inter °. ier of snotbe r friend the P le ' lent Ii iice l4 • 114-ü bi l frase ° P°s 01° 1 s ; , • ill ° sing • t • Olt Yrs* II • ..1,5°,‘ I W ¢4 )rner, *, like a•well-wiripped cur, and Would - have put his tail betwane 'his legs, only he couldn't. Ho ! ye 're here, are ye ?' says the praste. "Not a word did the divil reply. • " TheSdivil's iii it, but we'll find manes to make ye' spake 1' and says he, ' Mike, be afther givin' me some • wather ;" ,and Make gave his Overnice the weather, and riverince blessed it, and - turned it to holy wather intirely, and thin his riverince dipped. his hand into it, gaie the divil a taste o'. it ; and.. didn't it go into him like scaltiml broth ; be did, but it did ; and how he ?caret', and how be groaned, while. Mike and the praste • larfed outright, and well they might. " Now, thin, ye brinistone-stinkin' baste ! what have ye got to -say for yersilf ?' The unfortunate divil could orly : groan. Wid that the praste give him a taste more of the wather. " Spake, and be damned !' cried he. 'lt 's yerseif that shall remiixtber comin' to. Ballyhaugh.' " The poor divil ,Managed to. squake out,—' Let me go ! let me T O ! and I 'll b e on my oath niver to come widin fifty mites of yer riverince again.' Ye. will?'. said his riverince; yes. I dare say ye 'will; but, -do 'yer think 'l'm such a fool as to take a • diva's oath? , not . l. I'll have yer bond; yes, yer bond, - and brake it if yer'dare.' • " The divil signified his willingness to Comply wid amy tarms 'to •get free. - Mike wanted to try the effects of the shillelagh on his skull•but the praste wouldint • -have it- all; he had no objection to taze, but he didn't like comniittin' raurther besides, his riverince had an lik e to. business, for he knew that rootin' out the divil; uku oder ilt wades, made work. . his by..the praste's desire, produced a skin, and riverince sat himself down to write; and he wrote. an ' NTaraint-aa longes a homily. He'tied the divil down . 1 .11 all sorts o f ways n i ver ag'in to show his nose in , -13allyhaugh; there was all sorts of curses and anathemas and the like; and he Made the divil promise to ate him tiff. up if iver he bihke his 'bond. The like of this vritin' ye'ivOn't often meet When it was finished,' Ike gave it. to the divil to sign, and. what should he do to 42 .ake the' barg'in more bindin'._ but open a -vein, and write his divilish name wid his blood. af t ,Li n d n6vv,' :said he,.to' be 'sure, kind sir, yell be, assure lettin' me go? ome, undo the' halter, for -I fortat . 3 " ° , it begins to make me fale rather oncom be.bald th T 0 „ sure!' to -be• snre! says the : praste, and' at - no *int behind him, pertindin' to undo the hitt - tali! he took up his chopper and wid One tune blow cut qifthe tip of the diva's tail Sathan gave- a b ilow that:would hava.quieted a thousand big roaria' and widout so much as sayin'' good night to ye, bounced through the •winder.-- The noise the divil made . I. ove" Mike against the waif; and quite stunned the poor , mld, hui.notbin' the baste could do hitd any effeet,on his' ' blessed riverince, who cried out, ;as the divil flew away, ' `‘,11:10. ha! me -bo g y, there ye go wid yer tail offs but 'liver mind ; there s plenty O' .plaees where they:l*ton bit& spirits,` and wid. that his riverince ,Ticked • up the WI, and he and Mike made thimselves- eomfortable,i and ate:.their suppers quite well' . • • • V0i;,11.n," continued Timi nnly to , tell yer Pours that the ibleiSed 'jewel that yews been favolired is the Wert' -tail that the devil' wore whin he visited Mike Leary.on the - night the fameus sterna; And, can'.yei•-hotiours concave . anythin"Mere precious And liere - and herc it shall be as long AL the •vvciild: stands '• just "COUclude yer honours what, became 'ke, nail the' praste, ancrthe other paple: To begin .wid 4 .4 e ,halteri b, express- desire,-it - was . sent VI his . at Rome, and:: hi,s holiness was-so delightediwid , it, and s'O.sure: that ; it would'vut inte'the right 'rliad, • 114 14 he hung : himself- wid it. What - became 'tit' the divil 4w, Piver exactly, larnt i l but-'tis - quite .sartin that ''2W.that'night he gas* beeti'so free wid, his personal and mush more particular in the company ;• • NEW. NOLVTiILy. mAgAzthE. -- • Th e " Ill=titilnori4' ,ip att,-lentertaining -quiz .! on Bohn Bull's well-known propensity. to ' grumble, •no . I:flatter how little-eause hernayhaVe for querulOusnesS.- ; TO be abusing - somebody or soniething the live-long i 4 11 .'7 , ", says 'the - anther; . 1 , is ari :enjOyinent not- to; be t : s s iSeaged 'With' byttose -who have once tasted . it ;• and "e: Oasi",highest••in ;favour is that - which comes in eiir )5, cost; ' - - ' ..• . the, ,: l- ,aY requently, and affords us greatest. umber of-occasions -for _exhibiting uni. spleen. We "v . a ' , known • a Man' : keep a three-legged stool . in - us : u1( . 1 37, .for no earthly. pqrp9se-but!to knock-his shins 13-allgainst:and. ' to swear. at:: , Upon - the ”same'princiiile,- th a4 S i, PgoPle keep-cuts und'iltsgsin their houSes, that , .. itu,: e l ee lna r, ha*ioriiething to eltectitte ! Thr every 'brolOn and to tuff 'and' kiek Whenever , they meet t it -.The stairs .- "'llum - Otous.aS•this.Passage -is, •it is still . • v • Of truth as every one's experience-Ml.lst -con 'nee him, " The - Rcibertses on their 'Travels' it; a etch` . b b y Mrs. - •Trollcipe, and possesses much of , her .breadth , 1 talretteness,`'but, at the same time, masculine • ''' ti gat'of 'touch The " 'Gladness of :MaYr is a pia , T t til . that Make; its appearance just at the right sea s-,'n, 71 . 1 -be versification is correct, 'and .in . places sii . ... 4 4t i ed, but there is_a little too much about I' zephrS," ' °Ta i''"and - "4lo*ers." -We - have a surfeit of s uch sweets;'''ln 'the 'late ''" Prince Talleyrand" - we find accounts :or: this 7 veteran' statesman's "eohtiersittions re specting -the -t-e once-popular quack;--atilinecroinancer, ~ as he was considered ': at - the titne , --Connt Cagliostro, .and Voltaire the • keen, teStless, - and malignant 4- . .liression of Whose eye the rrince describes with, great exiCinesi:. `These Talleyrand,- papers are • adroitly Ivorlco, up, but we:suspeet that they must - not be. all loelied oti:us - getpel;tritths. The facts 'related in them st alti, tbe taken MA grano salis.. . The -";Bit .of Pre : ''"nient". is t.hold,- daShing sketch-of character; by, a e° iftributor Who adopts the quaint soubriquet of Peter mb - ri gg in a-.' ":Deceased People . /whom we meet Daily" ... ) :. e lm y • e xceedingly . lively - little essay, containing • wev al l 'iliat 4 ll:ft - 4 s , expressed in a sportive vein . O . f , -•taillett '.ltl' Ai r. Q his' poe m on " Lachrymoselihiters4' the 04 %' 0 ,5 1 1 ic !_, : 1 : 1 141a,•-very justly' denounces the folly, s arc v,,,': 1 ,t.khiltud,-extravagance of -the writers of the t k. to fl lhis P :rta ' a w a c' te j jy Y .T rb o , ll-ian ' sch6° V 6t h e ill Pr6s or verse. school the interests. of -.. our . national litera ls. nearly„ , if . not :ignite, extinct. ; • (.1 1 ; 10 nt; - -0r :Summer and-Winter," is bne of Mrs. .. ;',':".!. s' entertaining , fictions. - It 4- entitled a lode been and woilld have , been- more effective had: it .not ."''n quite so sentimental. We - srsi lkhfly poem oh aldis:-Hope, the Fortune.teller :' -1- I .fri• Hope,lhe fortune-teller, ' • . : - -' i . Qtxll'doame - when'l was young; ' i• .'. ' - " You,.” :she cried,-" will -be a dweller • - ' Ali tho great and wise among.: s- - On your - shoulders fortune" thrust is—, - . Honours mote tharil can tea"— ; -. 4i , lA:lope, to dO herjuatice, _ '1 a•'' ' 4'4llY.tatks ,extremely well. .: . . • , , . ~ ''' ,'''' ' 2 Pii:Sts_slie'eried,• "You're devilish clever; '` • • Puskfor fame - and pocket pelf,. , ', • Write k play and lay, for ever . ~ : , Billy ,Shakspears on the shelf.", . • . ~ , •, 'Tway done—the curtain 'rose, I nearly' :, . Felt th 6 htitteli deck my broly— •,‘ - ; '.. ' Deuce Li bit,"l Wish sincerely ' . ' • ;,:•. Vis.,llope•had heard the row. • • - . • . . . ' :Eloq u ence, et her,.;suggeStion, ' !-" ..Conscious ioo that I . pOsess'il, '. , '' 4 l'on - i6the important. question..: . . . ' • -- ' SriOn,the sovereign mob. address, ~ . • •. , -,,§tange46 say. such storms assaird.ma, • - r : • ..,; ,; t Sowers ,ot worse than hail or rain, • - - •-.. , ' , 4 1 ;tny el cution faird:me— ,:':* , . lirsi'm • --, , ope,was out again.' ' ' , ''' • • , ..'Whisp'ting then my.,Wondrons merit ~. —. -1 - • t. la4'd at eourt a leading place, , - • ' length contrived to. ferret . - I 4I l --.,.... irst my Lord arid then his "Grace. .. ... , -Nuch they said conceit to soften— .. Priirnises they made a few— ' : Mrs: Hiipe, great peOple_often - Humbug feels as hell as you,' - , .. -Oft' slie`ow.',4 the sex ,adored - me,.. clOaquering all where'eri cheSe, - • Husbands, lovers, tho' they bc;red - me, • __lsle'7er could such a smile oppase. ' ,, lex•lsebred by wives and mi sses, . . ~„• , When r carne to count,my game, , Quito as , many kicks as _kisses— . ' . Mrs. llope,, oh ! 'fie, , for shame l • ' Wedded hliss, she now reported,'- - ' .. - .I should taste , iereneand true:; '. -: • ' ' ' Trusting Mill, I proudly courted - . ~... , ••• ' (Illittla stylish black-ex:A: i?rijo., -, • : ‘..- Tiletigh the fair could not refuse-me;:, . • .• What the sort of wife She made, . . _ . . t '•'''lf you wish to know, - excuse me- Mrs. Hope's a cursed jade. . . . .. - . . . : Thus with OA lesS.tarrididdlesi. .•• .• • S ' till the gipsy wins her2way, • ; nails , us ,all, and fondly wheedles . ' .. Shallo w , pates like mine astray. Xatue AWL FashiOn thUS allure tii ' . Lions, lords, at routes to, meet, ~ . . • 'Then - blne'de;Als..oia`t6 enre'us---: .. . Mrs. 116010*airly beat.: • _._.,. -' Xl" ? ,:qidgirl,nn.recollection; - , .WhYlshiaildl , your - trieks resent, - Si°nce I've form'd a new connexion— _ ' - y„--Tharswarixiodes-t7iiiiiit-Coatent. -. '' - T eary aPV:af you- fgo- blarney;. .y _. ~.. , Q ' . l l pug iwith her, lslwellsecure,. . . .- In my little charnbre garnie— , , ' • 4 ‘ "I tAirs; Hope; votre serviteue. , . ..„ .. . • Ativ .f Hrirs,ALi 1, 1 1 :21 1 ; B :` 7 114 .4;41P3- and - ingenious disguises_ 'by . , w . h a i r c . ▪ h , t or "ani 'contrives .to 'outwit the Duchess ot' Q m A o u '— 6 the restoration of tkeen procure S,favour towards him, are .oleverlydeSc:ribed , i . n presen E - Chapter of the" Editor's . 4 , ,Tames,Tamess „ Qid t e ' r , i e 'ls l 4.pr*stifigaiust, one pertion of this i▪ n s;`,7,-"tilat, namely, i n w hich the fogtman Snen , deeeives tiroad daylight, ir i ' stiinding close beside' her, _the latter's ld r atti, Abigail- 3 11in. No woman who really han,l,:a,thkn;"and'itrhb had seen him not once but a 1344PQ times,' could have been so deceived. " An tor:ilet to - Master 'hattk'Waltofir is . 0 "soit of pas: the pen Of iohn gamilton. If ttfr et fTept; and ihr,g, some .ciimintnesses and w ritt ati°n3 expression, ihe poem is pleasingly ra ft " 1 /. the praise of the bkl cockney Vier-•is. touch too- exaggerated. Isaak Walton was is no Tnusab s . the.useek;-Aptite j. 43,anplt,„,' cr,esktp.rg:-.o4tr, it the fashion tcr l Aiir6thtttltfireiri the contrary, E'xi, t hs as sly, shrewd, and oily a man as ever perhaps tnn._ ed) and never failed, in his peculiar unobtrusive -iwiner) to look sharp after his own interests. " A Few Passages on Dreams." is an agreeable, gossiping, little essay. 'by, Mr. Charles Oilier, who alludes to a ,me of the most remarkable • dreams recorded in ancient'_ historY, but" makes no mention of that re 7 lated by Cicero—to the effect, that a man once dreamt d that a friend and neighbour was Murdered, aid .his body hidden in a cart which was standing at the door of a particular _house. The dreamer started up in a fright, dressed himself, and the instant day broke hurried to the house indicated in his vision, and there, sure enough,- , found• the cart, and buried in it, beneath 'a heap of - dung;` the body of his murdered friend. This dream is perhaps the most remarkable on record, and Cicero expressly states that he had it on the authority of the dreamer himself. " There are more things in, heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamed of in your philo sophy." In the " Elliston Papers" w ‘i p find a curious account of an eßistolary squabble between the great lesiee of _Drury-lane and .the stall greater Edmund Kean, when the latter first arrived in- London, and was anxious to try his fortune as a tragedian on the boards of • a metropolitan theatre. Elliston's lofty disdain and Kean's bull-dog independence are very ainiisin touches of character. " Oriana and Yesperella" is A sort of allegorical story, the drift of which, will not we fear, be sufficiently, obvious to magazine readers. The follom Jug graphic little poem (a portion of which - we _quote) is from the pen of Mr. Charles Mackay : Alone, amid a million souls; •Romici.him the tide of people rolls ; But lore and desolate is he, None heeding What his lot may be— • A drop of water in the sea. 'Mid all the crowds that round hiin swarm He feels for him no heart will warm ; There is not one that knows his name,, Or cares to ask him , whence he came ; His life or death to them the same. The rich man's- chariot passes by, And lacqueys. with a -saucy eye, From outside plush, and inward meals, Grin at.l-iim, -as the Tattling `wheels, - Splash him all o'er, from head to heels. He walketb on, a friendlesi boy, • - With much-of hope, -with little:joy ..Elbow'd for ever by the proud,- • • As if they grudged_the room •-. To this mean mortal in the crowd. Oe throUgh the busy mass he goes, ' But Whither beet he scareely knows ; ' 'Through lane and street, and park and square, And looks at wealth - he may_not share, Though he is hungry and half bare. For him amid these houses small - . For;him amid•these mansions tall, There is•not one, where he could go, -And say, Lam a‘child of•woe,. , • To cheer me let the wine-cup flow." , • No ; he is friendless. and alone-- • To no one are his sorrows known. _ His hope, or ; joy, or grief, or fear, There is not one; would care td hear, - Or say the sivord, " Be thou of cheer!" And evil thouebti will sometimes rise; When flaunting wealth affronts,his eyes, ;. -• Envy,, perchance, and discontent,,: . That he into this world was seut-- No P eood'with all his evils,blent. " No-good?" saith he. " Ail s surely wrong; . Fresh - health and youth-to me belong; And.from endurance I can learn Still•to endure and never turn - From theligh.thoughts with which I burn." And Still within himself he says, • " Escl man mast pass his evil days— • Each man should suffer ere his prime, If-up the world's high Steeps he'd climb, Some grief to fit him for his time.' " I am not, all alone nor The fage of Nature makes me The brea,th,Of mern, the, evening's sigh, "The contemplation of the sky,' That fills iny soul with yearnings high. , " The leafy glory of the wciods, • • The •rushing of the mountain floods, The windthat bends the lofty tree, The roaring of the eternal sea,— , All yield an inward joy to me. " I find a pleasure in the sight Of meadows green and corn-fields bright, I find 'a pleasure in the lay -Of birds that' hail the breaking day, Or warble to the moonlight grey. ." If no man loves me ' Nature's voice Is kind, and bids .myheart rejoice; • The path I go,.true souls •have trod, 'I will look. upwards from the clod; With a firm ~heart, and trust in God." And thus he walketh, hour by hour, And ,darby day,-and gainetkpower Over - himself,' and , worketh 'still, • • Through storm or shine, through good or ill, The one good purpose of his will. TRADE WITH FRANCE. - To THE EDITOR OF THE TDIEBi Sir,—lt. is not our provinee to take part in public dis cussions ,upon Auestions of political econothy :..but we are compelled, in ,self-clefenee, to refer to the.letter , of Publins," in the, Times of this day, on the su bj ect o f " Trade with Franc e ,'.' which is. made the medium of an' unwarrantable attack upon, us. - " Publius" is, no .doubt,. an interested party, who, under the shelter of an anonymous signature, would fain serve hiniself and other holders. of French brandy. To do this, he adopts two means—argument, if his writing :can be so ,called, tending to a reduction of the duty 'On French brandy, • and thereby' to .enhance t t u h e British.value O p f ic; t a h u a u t e, a. article view wd to i and creating. abuse,a greater applied demand for the foreign. He, and these: interested with him, or whose feelings he is engaged to represent, may. justly feel alarm' at " , the continually utyfo ning -7° l n i pt in, quantity .of in the Frenelihrandy, which pays d . face •ef a 'constantly. increasin g populationi::' and, n ' having,little regard for truth or c.o,nsistency, it eacy,. he Should assign any but the real.cause,.fOr.such be wondered at that, in the spirit of unscrupulous aodtvo to Consumption; or that he should attempt to put down successful competition; which is the real cause, by vulgar abuse, Indeed,. so, reckless is . he, that, not satisfied with anenslanght 'upon British distillers, he even assails the:whole medical and.ehemical professions. The simple, .truth is, that the .constantly increasing demand for our patent brandy bus made an' important, inroad upon the trade in foreign brandy; and that this, with ,the ttloption_of oar patent :metallic-capsules, as an effectual security- to the public• against the fraudulent substitution of inferior spirits, has occasioned the utmost uneasiness in those who deal in-foreign brandy, That " Pubhua" is what we have described him to be there cannot be a doubt. He asks for. a. reduction in.the duty on trench brandy, not for the benefit of those. con sumers who 'will, at any-Price, indulge: their -taste .for "the finest Cognac;" but for the purpose. of -effecting "a conciliation of the powerful.agricultural interest" of France: 'Generous Cosmopolite ! He is eager to seed. fire every native interest (except that of .theholders .of French brandy) .at the, shrine of, foreign prosperity. What to, him the grain of England. in competition with the grapes of France P. ..If there ,be,sorrow,in our farm steads, will there not be joy in the vineyards -abroad ? "Although our- farm is not mentioned , by name,. yet, as our patent brandy is the, produce of British grain"— 'as the trade description of it comes.- within the scope of " high-sounding titles"-,-and •as its healthfulness and genuine Purity, are .boriN out by, the "-testimony of scientific men,". it is : barely . possible to suppoie that ."PubliuS" ! did not.intend,. and deliberately perpetrate, a personal attack upon us . ; or that the passage. referred to has not been, more or. less,. applied to us by :your `readers, and the public generally, many, of whom are unpossessed l of the absolutemerits of. the case. We maintain, Sir, and ,we have . the .most incontro 'vertible evidence ef: the .fact, that our patent. brandy, distilled from-British grain,:is a purer and more whole • some spirit than Cognac or. other French, brandy. - This has been ascertained. by the most careful analysis, made -by chemical professors whose names rank with - the most ,eminent in the world-'-by -"scientific men," who were anquesttonably paid, not any agreed • sure,., as as basely insinuated by "Publius," for . the purpose_ of inflifenci ng their 'opinions respectively; but according to the charge made by ‘ 'them, for the time and. professional bestowed upon the inquiry, as . a physician ' a barrister, or Any other-gentleman, would b e paid forfirst-ratepro feasional services.: That the opinion of such a -person as " - Publius " would conform with that of any purchaser, at:a-given price, we have n o reason to .doubt. .0n the contrary, we-believe hint to be a commodity for any market—at present disposable by ,the holders of, foreign • brandy. • 'But "the gall -and wormwood" to " Publius" is, that the genuine sad decided :testimonials in 'our favour have had their natural effectnpon out sale. : They have led to the - Useef our patent brandy by an, immense .nuinber of private: consumers, among whom-the. greatest. -men of the day'might be named ; and :to its being Trescribed ittpreference to French brandy, by the highest jmedical ,authorities: ..at.',Guy' s' St. George's, and- the i Westminster . hospitals ; ,at the Manchester, Bristol, and :Brighton ;infirmaries ; and, in short, at- the principal hospitalsaid public . institutio ns i n E ng la n d . Free from the inseparable f rom F re n c h b randy, and 'froniila itiStri righnt *nature, - we challenge competition at home and and. Whilst we thus tear away the Mask from "tiblitis," Controvert his statements, and re plidiate- his copclusionS, we say at once Alit fear of com petition doea not for a moment- influence uS. in writine , this letter.. -The fashion for the use of French brandy is rapidly passing away.. , British. science. and British en terprise bove,succeeded in raising -the produce ofßritish grain far,ia intrinsic value above - that of foreign gripes; and however much the-duty on foreign spirits-may be re dueed,:we are 'confident- that such a reductiOn will not pieventlhe -continued increase of dema n d.f or our ' Patent brancly.-.. 7 We are„Siro-Otir most obedient serv an t s , - • --J. t. BETS Tun.,. and Co. 7 i •Smithfield-hars, Friday, April 36, 1844; . ~ _. > 1. - Way, G E ORGE NVINiAX.—It is with tiegret'We record the desth of this ra,sPeCtal 14dy, ;who ex plied on Saturday last : at, .her ,residence, in-Green-street, The decea:sed, wile was -daughter-of the late li,ieutenant:zoeneral , :Francis Grant,: was born '9th August, ;765,i -and- married; 18th Deceitibr, - ;17.90,]. 1 .drct George deurray,(the litte.Biehop- WA:D:l*dd%), 'uncle - tit - tho - re,: nt Duke of Athol], by whom (who died in 1803) her Lk.") dyship had issue the present Bishop of Rochester, late Countess of Ilchester, Lady Frankland Russell, Hon. Miss Murray, Maid of Honour to the Queen, and several other children. -117 :CA THE SUN, LONDON, IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. • - • - HOUSE OF LORDS, April 3Q. Their Lordships assembled at Five o'Clock. Lord Campbell, the,Marquis of Salisbury, and several other Noble' Lords, presented petitions for and against the Dissenters' Chapels. Bill, The Marquis of NORMANBY presented .a petition eomplaining of a practice.which had lately sprung up, of enlisting boys out of .union workhouses without the consent of their parents. The Duke of RICHMOND presebted a petition froni Sussex, complaining of the refusal by the. Ecclesiastical. Commissioners to renew Masa of property held of sup pressed prebendaries. The Noble Duke, in supporting the prayer of the petitioners, complained of the hardship , which this refusal had imposed, both on the large land oWners, and the small farmers in the country. . Lord WHARNCLIFFE said the object of this 'Bill was to have the Church property made available to • Church purposes. The chief complaint which his. Noble' Friend had made was, that although the Commis sioners might grantleases for a stated number of years, yet that they could not give reversionary leases: - He (Lord Wharnclitl'e) could not see how the Noble Duke was jus tified in finding fault with the Commissioners for making the most of the property consigned .to their care. He could assure his Noble Friend . that in every case where a .tenant in possession .sought a reversionary in- , terest he invariably, got the preference. - • -,The ; Duke of RICHMOND said the question he wished to put to tfie Noble Lord 'was, how a person .could be expected. to expend 10,0001. on a property in. . which he had no reversionary interest ? The Bishop of LONDON thought that the .Ecclesias tical Commissioners would ,be .guilty of unfairness, they did not* try and make the most of the .property, over which they „were appointed as, agents. Why, if their. Lordships would recollect, they would see that in cases where, the Crown lands were to be let, .the : Noble Lord opposite refused, in his capacity at the head. of the 'Woods and Forests, to grant any new leases, and therefore he , (the- Bishop of London) thought that the, Ecclesiastical Commissioners were fully justified in adopting the same course as ,that which the Crown took. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE characterised the, conduct ef the Ecclesiastical Commissioners. as unjust and arbitrary, and expressed his opinion to the effect that if such conduct had for a moment . been anticipated at the time ofthe appointment, of the Commission, that Commission never would have been appointed. He hoped the Noble Duke, on an early occasion, would bring this subject forward in a more tangible shape than he had.done that evening. After a few words from the Earl of BESBOROUGH and the Marquis of CLANRICARDE, The Bishop of LONDON said he ought to state in the name of the Commissioners, that every proposal made to' them for the renewal of leases would meet with ample consideration by them. • , " The,l3ishop of EXETER said he, had opposed the ap pointment ofthe Ecclesiastical Commissioners from the first, but that Commission having been appointed,- it was their duty to obtain as much money from i the, Church' property as they could, in order to. provide for the reli gious instruction of the people. Ile did not rise from - any personal feelings, but merely because, member of that Commission, he Iva§ deeply impressed with the importance of the subject. r .. • The Marquis of NORMANBY gave .notice, that, on Thursday next, he shoiild present a petition from a number of artisan& in,Etlinburgh, praying for the adop tion of sanitary regulations in large towns. The Duke of RICHMOND, gave notice that on , Thurs day next he should move for certain returns with re-_ specs to the importation of foreign wool, The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, after presenting a petition from the north of' Ireland, praying for the le galization of marriages, asked, whether it was the intention of tier Majesty's. Government to make aiiy giant for the imprOvement of the harbours of Do naghadee and Portpatrick. The Earl of HADDINGTON said the report of the engineers sent down to examine 'the ports, induced her 'Majesty's' Government not to: make any grant for the purposes alluded to by the Noble Lord. • The , Forestalling (Ireland) Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be.committed, Frida,y. DEBTORS. AND CREDITORS BILL Lord COTTENHAM, in moving the second reading of the Debtors - and Creditors Bill, said that he felt confident he should be able to show to. their Lordships, from undoubted authority, that the law, as it stood now with respect to the imprisonment for debt, was perfectly useless and futile. In support of that,_ he could adduce the report of the year 1832, which report was signed by some of the most eminent men in the legal profession, amongst whoni was Sir Frederick Pollock, now Chief Baron :of the Exchequer, and Mr._ Justice Wightman. He called upon their Lordships to remove a grievance the existence of which no one doubted. In the inonth of March last no less than - four hundred and twelve per sons passed through the Insolvent Court; andif their Lordships took that number as • the , monthly average,' nearly five thousand persons annually passed through the Insolvent Court. Their ,Lordships would therefore see how extensive was the . evil which he was then soliciting Parliament to abolish. The Noble and Learned Lord then proceeded to describe the various Insolvent Act. which have been passed. since the time, of Queen,Anne. The first Insolvent Act on the statute-boot was that of. Queen Anne, which their Lordships upon examination would find to be very rude in its character. It prpvided' that any person could get rid of his debts by means of enlisting into the army.—(A laugh.) This law was in the statute-book, and, he had no doubt, was in force at the present time ; but he apprehended that her Majesty's army pow-a-days , was not very often recruited by means 9f the Insolvent Act. He then.came to what was called the Lords' Act,. which provided that unless a.man gave up the whole of his goods on - becoming insolvent, he should. be subject to transportatio n ' fo r seven , years. • This was found to be harsh;:and another _Act was passed,, which was called Lord Redesdal e ' s . A c t ; b ut a man,, could not avail him- - s a t e y st in wasexistence x p e p n self of th a t Act until he ,had been in prison for,three months. This - Act was found to be unsatisfactory, and consequentlyto.camethe ricneoptuoeratol operation.; furde r ; a th a i io n sn d d. s the. cßhya A rtgh c et this Act,ie mt. pre n after he wa s conveyed to prison. ~But ,by the; 'a day man. et might reports to w hi c h he had referred, it would ap pear that, generally 'speaking, a man could not, ob— tain his discharge, even , under the most favour able- circumstances, under two months. The Noble' and Learned Lord then referred to the Act which passed in the year 1836, abolishing imprisonment Of debt on mesne process. 'This he had - always looked upon as a, most important Act, although he recollected that. at the time it was passed considerable alarm was felt amongst the commercial community. Since it had come into operation, there had been no' petitions against it, and he had notheard that credit had been impaired by it. He did.not, however; think that, this Act had had fair play, inasmuch as now, instead-of arrestino-a debtor on mesne proc ess, the creditor obtained m mesne judgment against his Lord then referred, to the report o f t he exa debtor, and .took' him in execution. The Noble mination" of certain witnesses, who. . were , exa, mined two • years ago with respect to .this subject. The amount of the cost expended in one year by in. solvent debtors was 8,6,970/., being an aver a g e ' of 51 ' for each person . who got his discharge. He" thought that there was considerable ,hardship in the distinction between bankrupts and insolvents, by -which the latter were doomed to.imprisonment and subject to sub.sequent contingencies. After their Lordships considered . the high authority which had been adduced on this subject, he trusted their Lordships would give their sanction to, a measure which would have the effect of abolishing im prisonment, which tended to injure commercial credit as well as inflicting many social evils. The LORD. 011ANCELLOR said that he thought ,nothing couldhe more inconsistent than the- law as it now stood,-namely, that there should be 'a distinction between its application to' .the --cases of insolvents and .bankrupts. The 'unfortunate insolvent, after he had ,given -up all-his property and passed. through the court, when he ,began the world again had all his. debts still hanging• over hitn,, audit certainly required more energy than fell to the lot of ordinary men to exert their talents, ingenuity, or, industry,, when they knew the result:would be for the benefit iof others. In conclusion,• he should express his concurrence in the Bill of his Noblean Learned -Friend, but. he hoped that -he would defer it for a short time, in order that a measure of such im portance might receive the consideration it deserved. Lord.BROUGHAM hoped that some penalty might be imposed in way of misdemeanour upon those, who were guilty of fraud towards their creditors, or of. frau dulently transferring their . "property. .to . others, or of giving. bills of,, sale.. Such were the provisions. of. the bankruptcy laws of almost all the commercial states of Europe,.andlie hoped 'they, would be' adopted in this country. • The - Duke;of RICHMOND perfectly agreed in What had, fallen from his Noble, and Learned Friend, who, had justAsit down, as to the propriety of having some penal enactment, as applicable to those who were guilty of fraud towards their creditors. - . Lord DENMAN said he concurred in the Bill intro duced by his Noble and Learned Friend. (Lord Cotten-- ham) "which he hoped would be so dealt with as to , enable theit.Lordshipa,to again' every information respecting it. He hOped sincerely this. Bill.would be carried into effect. With respect -to .the provision suggested by his gable axid.Leartied . Friend near him (Lord Brougham); • eon cernizig persons in the last stage of insolvency, obtaining goods by • false representations from others,. he could only say, that that -was amply provided for by the criminal code at , present ;• for a ease of this kind had lately Cotne•before,him in his judicialcipacity, -where the offender was 'con vieted of felony, as. having -obtained • the: goods under false pretences. He thought the subject ofbills of sale was :one which deserved the deepest consideration from•the Legislature, for it .was not at:all unlikely. .that,. insmany.inatances, persons exchanged these instruments with •each other; but still he would be• rather jealous ofadopting precipitately any measure which would make the :execution -of such a deed a felony. There was another point-to whieh he - would briefly, allude, and that was where persons allowed Others the use of their pro perty, and in. ,consequence.. that . ..those -persons got- in debt.. He 'thought thatit would be only . justice if such property "was -to. be, cOnsi dered to. belong to the assignees. 'After afew words from Lord-.COTTENHAM in reply, aria frotalthe LORD CHANCELLOR;- -The • Bill was. read a. second time, and ordered to be committed on -this day fortnight. • , TheirLorciships then adjourned. , - • . • ':HOUSE OF C'OMMONS„ApriI .30. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual,hour. BASIN6STORP, AIsTD 'NEW'IVRY VAILWAY. Q the i otisw. for.thefurther , consideration of the re- Pt ° PA 13 teno4is .- r: . LL rose for the purpose of proposing that the consideration of the report be postponed till the next session of Parliament. He did this on the ground that the line of railway which had been pro posed to the town of Newbury from the Great Western Y A CI7 - A a Tr 71. ~._ kJ, WEDNESDAY' MORNING, MAY Railway, .was not only shorter than the line which was at present before the Rouse, but would cost, in its Con struction much less: The-line from Basingstoke' to New bury was to be;a single line, while the one from Read ing- .to Newbury, was proposed to be' double. The cost ,of the former. would be :200,000/ov - bile the cost of the latter would be only 150,000/.: With respect todistance, the. Basingstoke and Newbury 'line was 10 per cent. -longer than the-other line, and with 'respect to . cheap ness for passengers, '2O per cent. Under these circum stances, he • should propose,that this report be further considered that day six Menthe: Mr. LABOUCHEREiconsidered that no Honourable Gentleman Would be -willing to serve upon a: Commit-' tee .if .their decision , were t 0 ... be - brought . ' before the House. a'id subjected to 'a rovisal.. - Mr. Ord, the Member for Newcastle ; Mr. Etans; the Member ,for' Derbyshire . ; 'Mr. 13eCkwith, the Member for' Leeds ; 'Mr. - Colqulionn and Mr.. Pakinzton were -the five gentlemen 'wile constituted that Committee ; and he here asserted that these , gentlemen were alone influenced in their deeison . by the evidence that came before, them. Those were the grounds - upon which he, as a member of that Committee, was induced to give his vote; and he hoped .the House, if a decison *ere called for,: would confirm that: vote. Ile hoped the . House would . reject the proposal of the Honourable Member f©r Reading, who himself could not be fairly said to be' anunbiassed party In the affair, inasmuch as he was 'the Chairman of the Great Western Railway, Mr: PAKINGTON hoped the House would not look' upon this as a: matterOF private business,. but that they would attend,te a f ew observations which he fontid self. bound as a, .Member of .that ComMittee. to offer. From - the tithe when the Committee franied their ,report . great; dissatisfactitin had bet n 'expressed by many persons conne c t e d W it h the Great .Western Rail way; and the Committee hada right to complain of the manner -in. which those objections were . made. He, one, never heard f Of any intention of revising the deci shin of that COmmitt ee pp ' to the present moment. The 'flon..'Metiberfor Re a di ng ' bad stated that, he.was in possession otuertain• evidence Vihichwould show that local - interests prvailed on:the Committee, . and he (Mr. Pak ingtan) Wouldappeal t o any Of the four gentlemenwho sat : upon that COnmueealong.with him;whether he was not perfectly, justified -in saying that he denied, in the strongest terms which the usages ofthat House allowed, the truth of that assertion. The C r ommittee tat for sev4in,days,Aticl SO anxious were they to . einiae to . ti right conclusion, that they - called . Whet might even be .termed superfluous evidence; He would ask the House to re flect fairly upon 'the - relative positions in which the Honourable'..Meinber for Reading and the. Coinmittee ., were placed. : op, Member for Reading Was the Chai r Man or the Great , Western 'Railway; while every Meni ber who composed that Committee could 'not possibly have any ulterior abject in view, but must alone have. been influenced in their decisions by the evidence which was* laid' before them. With respect to ,the proposed line to Newbury/and that of Woolhampton.. the. Com mittee, in deciding in favour of the latter, were influenced - :by a conviction, that- the latter would tend` more generally to : the public. convenience. He had not mentioned.. what he was sure would , have. great. ,Weight with the . House, namely;• that on "every.decision to which the Committeelad come,' they hia...beea unanimous. , .But he Wertild 'ask .the House whether the ...rule was- to be to put 'Cbitimittees upon their trial in that House :after they zealou4y and conscientiously dotie'their duty—(Hear, hear)--and that for the:satisfaction of - parties avowedly interested in opposing their decisiOns ?—(lrear,le a eo Mr. HAYTER said' he must I l e', allowed - to ex ,press ditSent from, the proposition that a • reversal by that Heine of . the decision of a Committee was to be lopheci upon as condemnatory ArA . that Com mittee.—(Hear, hear.) If Hon. Metnbers were td sit in that House merely.to enrol the decisions of Committees, all that he could say was that their duties would become a mere farce. In his gpieion they. Were there to discuss the propriety-of the:deeisions 'which thei r - Committees arrived at, - for that Rouse sat as a ,court .of appeal. Looking at the reasons of till committee, , he, was in capable of coming, to .the noneluaion to which they had come; although he, was aware the communication,could be made easier film', Newbury. to Reading than from Newbury to Basingstoke,: yet he could not Consent to the -conclusion come. to,' and.. must 'vote - against ,the measure. •, • -, Mr. GLAI)STONE theught. the T - touSe would agree to this, that In approaching the decision po in ques :tion, they should took with confide nce , on the proceedings of the Comrnitteel 7 that, was the great ingredient, in the dase, although net theeoly one. Now he-thought, as far as. confidence in a .Ppnmpitteo:: Could proceed in any case, the ; present , 7,Conemittee. -had claims to •• the . highest degree of confidence. He . was glad that - the Chairman of ~.,the 'Committee • • had - stated briefly an -outline of the course on which the Committee had proceeded.. They had not come to their decision without fhll examination, of theevidence and arguments thatlad been adduced.; appeared, to him,: fromallhe had heard - of the 'case, the Commiitee had done, their ,duty.with the greatest cafe and fidelity, ; They had given full :Considera.tion,k local interests, and they had pro • ceeded VerY Much upon the consideration not.only of ac coromodatingthe local traffic of NeWbury,:but upon the general. principle. on which railways•should befounded. The House should recollect that these queatiens re lating. to railways hid of late much elittinged their character, and were becoming ever y year more difficult, and.getting beyond.* capacity of A Cotl4Baitte to deal With them, as. thOie the Were usually con stituted. They. were, • increasing in complexity.- every year: It had be:eel:de, tfeeNsary, in considering- them, .to calculate on distaot contiogencies, . Projects which at first might appear to be of a local nature might become of . national importance,: and they would be in a dismal condition if in a.case like.this, in , which the'greatest care had been - exercised by the Committeeof Selection in the choice which: they had , Made, and which: the Com mittee had exercised the, greatest cireurnspection in the discharge of their duty, the result.should be the sum- Mary reversal by the House of the important : verdict of that Committee. Mr- HAWES,. in reply ; to iii ' ainbservatienef the Right flen..4entlimao that th e Mouse-came to this discussion under ,great 4isLiyan tage ,, i n i snit i c h as they. had not before them the ev id ence ta k en before the Gonamittee, would remark :that ouch Mast - alleys be the :ease unless, in every instance the evidence Were, printed, and time wdre given to Me m be rs to peruse it before entering en the general discussion=a course of proceeding which would _ • scarcely meet with the:approbation a the, Right Hon. Gentleman.: Nyheii the report of. ,a Committee :was laid On the table; it was , Perfectly:competent for - t h e House to raise the question Whether or. not the decision of the CenilnittOe . was a sound ,one , .; and, differing as he did from the Committee he should support the nAPtioo tog.r..the HonOniable 'Member , for 'Reading. The Committee had rejected the most direct line, 'and a double line instead,of st single line; • the cheapest line instead of the dearest one. He thought it best to defer the consideration of the Bill, until the whole of the lines of communication intended to be embraced in that wide'field °F .- consideration which the Right Hon. Gentlernan had thrown out before them, were fully before the HOuie. Without, meaning to cast any aspersion on the decision of the ,Committee, he must say that if the House adopted that- decision they. would impose on the public_ an inferior and dearer. line: AIr..AGLIONBY said that he should give his vote in favour of t he.decision,otthe Comniittee, but on grounds entirely different from • those put forward by the'Right Hon. Gentlemairoppoaite, and by the Right Hon. Gen. tleman the M em b er for He would not enter'into any details. He —e agreed with the Hon. Gentleman oppo site, that the House was to be, to a certain extent, the judges of the merits of a line, but to the least possible extent. He voted fOr the decisiOn of the Committee on this ground, that-it •was-the _duty of the House to sup port'the great principle 'that Cominittees ought to be free from all local and private interests.. They had to a certain extent got rid of-the bfirthen whigh existed for many years of Committees being influenced by•local interest, and their decisions never gave satisfaction to anybody. He thought that a new system should he established. which would give Committees :more•of a judicial character. . He. hoped to see this principle ex tended to other classes of railways. •The best possible tribunals .should always •be obtained. • All matters were. discussed Lwith harmony and unanimity before independent Committees. They were now about to set. aside • the decision, because ' some gentlemen said that better evidence might be laid before it, or that a better judgment might be- formed upon the evi dence: He denied.' that it was a good principle to set aside the decision of the Committee on _that account. The party. impugning the: - decision of the Committee must do so by -laying• strong grouts, by showing that there was either gross. injustice, or flagrant want of judg nient.by the Committee. .There was no evidence to in duce hit to alter the .decision of :the Committee. The Committee. as. the best judge which of the two lines were: best, and on ,this ground it. was most dangerous for the House.to interfere, with their decision. Mr. W.. EVANS said there had been no "such hurry in the Committee as that which had been attributed to it, for they had been willing to sit as long Itathe proper performance of their duty required. He would not deny that the other line was-somewhat better as a London one, but the Committee looked to the best line for all; and, therefore, they -determined upon-that which 'joined Newbury to the coast as well as London, an d gave ad vantages to,the entire district. They re fu se d no evi dencethat'was offered, .acid they' given an unani mous decision ; which he , trusted the House would confirm • • . ,Lord HOWICK said, were he to exercise his rown judgment.upon the present queition, he certainly- should comb to a different conclusion than that which the Com mittee had arrived ; but he was so persuaded that if they did not support tbe authority of their Committees, such immense harm wonld.arise, that he should feel it his duty to support their decision in this e ase ._ He thought the interests of the companies were of minor importance. The interest of the public was to be con sidered, and he-thought it would be. for the interest of the public that both lines should go forward. • Mr. COLQUHOUN..wiehed that, Consistently with his sense of duty, he could have • voted for both' lines,•but when he. - founil.that there wouldilot be traffic enough .to support both lines. That there was the strongest desire evinced - on"' the .- T art"' or 'those ' connected with the trade;athe diStribffluit the .Basingstoke line. should be completed, a desire evinced not only by expres sions-initilie-eoming forward with the sub scr ipti ons; a nd When he fount that.. - there. existed - the- greatest apathy among them With regard to thuotherline," which; more over, wai . opPosed by. the greater part of the . landownerS of. the district, 'ho felt that he had no clioiee', and Was keldetantly compelled . to4:l6lßde.the . Great Western line. Sir It.'PEET, had ifockipwik a nything of the subject before he entered the'llopse -but he Wished the Corn- . in Mee; am - posed as.} yowo gen deafen - haviifg %eel interest on the subject, had been unanimous in the deci sion to which they had come. If that were the case, it would be very dangerous if the House were to reverse the decision of the Committee. _ Mr. ORD said that the Committee had been unanimous in their decision. affT ,Irwetisxck iiatkllgua 11:(! : .144 , 9WC 1 184 4 . Stranters were then ordered to,' NVithdrar, and the House divided - . -The nunibers For the motion Against it Majority Immediately upon the re-opening of the gallery, strangers were again Ordered to withdraw but DO divi sion took place,-and on ourfre:admission' we- underatood' that the Report was received. CHESTER; AND HOtt - trEApFALWAY. Mr. GLADSTONE 'in m4hig,;purailant to notice that he 'had given, that Sir George Clerk be" added to the . Comiiiittee on 'the Cheiter encl Holyhead Railway Bill; took occasion to eXplain, aa,pie , appointment.of a Member holding Office'tO - a.,COniniittee.,was...rather of rare occurrence, that it was necessary to., have certain.. publid interests represented on the C9namittee for the adjustment of certain , points . connected with the Bill ; and ` henee he proposed the dition of Sir George Clerk to the COmmittee.. He regretted that he was obliged make this motion later than usual, but at the sante, time he believed no in convenience would arise,' be ca n se hi s Hen. Friend, if, appointed by the House, would not interfere in the ge: neral discussion as to the, course of, the railroad, but would confine himself to stating t4:6 views of Mr. Walker.- " On the question being put,. „ Captain MANGLES said that he.belreved it was most • • unusual and contrary to the rule upon which Commit tees were constituted, to make. shell an aPpointinent at such a period. He'understoodit the Com mittee would come to a dedisiOn that gternoon, but if . the Hon. Gentleman was 'appointed, the Committee Would be - obliged to sit for almiger period, and the, expenses would be thereby increased., The Committee Would give as much consideration to any representation on the part of the Government,.without the lion. Gen tlemen, as they would if he. Were present. Sir R. PEEL said they were now : going to establish one of the most imp - Rant lines of railway in the coun-' try,- by • which 'Dublin WOW& be lmougbt within four teen. or•• fifteen. - hours 'of - ilie - in'eti:opolis. The Go -vernment had already been at great ; expense in re. Terence- 'to -- this• - tine-'th ey sent naval, - officers to report upcii the nature of the coast and har bour, and engineer's of the highest eminence to report '-upon the•line. A report had. been' made which was of very considerable value 'and iniP9rquce., If the c linc. was to be established, andll'it was to have the con cnrrence of the Government, and to be followed by au . ' expenditure of two, or three, or - four hundred thousand pounds for the purpose of making Holyhead a perfectly safe ,liarbour, he ,(Sir, R. peel) did feel that the Pubfid had such an interest: in it as to justify , the Government in dimirliw to be represented hi the Committee - upon" the Bill. But '' he would ask, bad Mr.- ' - Walker, one" OF •• • ihe gentlemen ern ployed by. the •Govertiment, "been been examined' by the Committee ? • • -(Captaitt 'Mangles was, understood to say " No."). • Then - he mist say • the 'Government were most anxious that-he - should be examined: *SO: important did . he consider this proposed railway to the public that he felt the Goiernment should have a representative in the Committee on this Bill, LABOUCHERE fully agreed with the Righ t Hon. Baronet (Sir- Robert peel) x • that it ,was of the: greatest consequence that, in Committees, where the public interests were directly involved, the,Government should have a representative. He recollected, that when the - Liverpool' Docks Bill was in Committee s he had felt it his duty, as' President of the Board of Trade-, to apply to 'the ' ComMittee ,of Selection to;' be allowed to have a member of the Govern eat upon that Committee. And the Right Honouriable Gentleman should, in the present instance, have applied at tho proper time to the Committee of Selection :and trot to that House. He doubted whether the House ihad the power to appoint a MeMher to the COmmittee, land that if one were appointed as a representative of; the Government; he should have the power to -vote, On this point, th&Speaker would, perhaps, assist, them with his'opinion. . The SPEAKER (as we understood) stated that he apprehended the Right Hon. Baronet could not vot iC the Committee without signing the declaration. ' Mr. MARSHALL, wished to know, from the rrhsi dent of the Board of Trade , the reason for proposing the Right Hop. Baronet at the present time • - Sir R. PEEL made a few Observations that were,- m_ ..,_ audible in the gallery. Capt. MANGLES said if there would be no expeniive delay in the addition of Sir George Clerk, he should pot object to the appointment. , I Mr. HUME thought they ought to be obliged to he Government for proposing the Rig . ht.Hon. Baronet. ' Mr. F. SHAW' considered that it, was very import nt for the interests of Ireland that the Right Hon. Gen le-' man should be on the Committee. . , 1 Mr. FRENCH considered that the r a ilroad could never be constructed unless they obtained the assistance of the Government ; and, therefore, he thought it mast important that the Right Hon. Gentleman should be lon the Committee. , The m6tion was then agreed to. Mr. GLADSTONE moved that Mr. Wral4er's Rep be referre&to the 'Committee.,--. AgrQato. NOTTrNGIIASI IMPROVEMENT BILLS. On the 'motion 'of Mr. T. DITNCOMgE, the Nbtti - ham (West Croft Canal) Improvement Bill; and the•W Croft Nottingham Inclosure Bill; were respectively r a second time. • - VENTNOR IMPROVEMENT BILL. The Ventnor Imrovement 13,111. Wits read a second ti 'MESSAGE FROM. THE LORDS.. .•- • Messengers from the Loras brought,down certain Bi NOTICES 'OF:MOTION.—DETACEIED PARTS , dourrriEs Mr. COLVILE gave . notice that in Committee the detached - parts of Counties Bill, he should prop, certain amendments. • DUCHY' OF CORNWALL. Sir R. PEEL gave notice that,,,this day fortnight, would move for leave to bring in a Bill for defining ai regulating the rights of the Duchy. of Cornwall. IMPORT Du'riEs• Mr. COBDEN postponed to this day week, the motif of which he had given notice for this evening, on tl subject of the Import Duties. - THE FRA NCHISE. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD gave z et'e e would on TueVlay, the 14th of May, propose a measu for the'extension of the franchise. WELSH TOLLS. Colonel WOOD postponed to. Wednesday, May 1 the motion of which he had given notice on the subjQ of tolls on lime in Woks. Captain PECHELL wished to know from the Rig t Hon. Gentleman, the Cancellor of the-Exchequer wh - thei any additional facility had been afforded to tho persons; whose income being under 1501., had been tax for the income tax, to enable them to get back the su deducted from their small incomes. . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said th t the greatest care had been taken to expedite t returning of their money to those pp,rties. Nnereflela had occurred it 'arose from the parties themselves n coming forward. If the Hon. Gentleman could poi 'out any case where unnecessary delay had occurred, h (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) ,should be happy t remedy it. • JAVA SUGAR. Mr. D. BARCLAY wished to know from the Right Hon Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) whether it wa his intention to admit Java eugar into this country upon tb same favourable footing that the sugar of Manilla and Sian; was to be admitt e d ? Th ere was some d ou bt upon th e p o i n t in consequence of the high duties imposed on articles of Britizl• industry in Java ; and it would be well to have the doub cleared up before the departure of the Overland Mail. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he would take an early opportunity of bringing the subject et the sugar duties before the House, and he would then explain fully what were his intentions. SHIPWRECKS COMMITTEE. • .• - Lord INGESTRE wished to know from the Right Hon.; Gentleman (the Secretary to the Admiralty) when he would bring in a Bill founded on the report of the Shipwrecks Cora l mittee; and also whether there was any intention of making a provision for the periodical inspection of masters of ships and masters' mates ? Mr. S. HERBERT said that with regard to the subject of the examination of masters of ships and masters' mates, it was, under consideration; and with regard to the other subject, it was the intention of the Admiralty to carry the recommends.: tion of the Committee into effect. RECAL OF LORD ELLENBOROUGH. Lord JOCELYN, seeing the Hon. Member for Beverley in. his place, wished :to know whether . he was prepared, on the part of the Directors of the East India House, to lay any papers on the table of the House, with respect to the recal of the Governor. General of Indial?—( Cheers. ) Mr. HOGG said, that he was not the organ of the Court of Directors, and he had no authority to answer the ques tion.—(Hear,:hear.) He had no objection however, as a mem ber of that body, to state his own opinion, and having done so, it would rest with the Ministers to determine, with reference to the. public interest, as to the propriety of the production of papers in that House ; and as to the production:of papers before the Court of Proprietors, the Court of Proprietors would be influenced by the course that 'Ministers should adopt. He would venture, however, to express a hope, that in conse quence of what had occurred in another ;place, that the House and the country would suspend their judgment 'Upon the course the Court of Directors had pursued.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. ASTELL trusted that the House and the country would give the Court of Directors credit for having done their duty. He agreed with what had been stated by his Hon. Friend.—( Hear, hear ) In consequence of what had occurred in another place, he trusted the House and ihe country would suspend their judgment.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME wished to know whether there would be any objection to lay before the House a copy of the correspondence which had taken place between the Government end the Court of Directors on the subject. He thought the Court had acted rightly, and he did not see why parties that had done so should be blamed.—( Hear, hear.) - Sir R. PEEL said that with respect to the period when the correspondence would be laid on the table he could give no in formation to the:House. Mr. HUME wanted only to know whether the Government would lay the papers on the table or not? To this.questiou no answer was returned. _ ATMOSPHERIC' RAILWAYS. Lord - H. VIVIAN begged to ask the Right Hon. Gentle man the. Recorder of Dublin, whether it was his -intention to introduce a Bill on the subject of a tmospheric railways? Mr. SHAW said that there was now before Parliament a Bill which would afford -an opportunity of putting the princi ple to the test of experiment , up on a line of :twenty-one miles. RELIGIOUS TESTS IN .UNIVERSITIES . (SCOTLAND.) • Mr. FOX MAULE rose, according to notice, to move for leave ,to bring in a Bill to .alter the law: relating to oaths taken by professors in the Universities . of Scotland. The inconve. nience occasioned by the present administration of oaths to professors was so great, that he thought he •was justified in t once moving.for leave to bring in a Bill, without any previous step. He wished that the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite would meet him at once upon the principle, instead of object ing to the form of his proceeding. It was• not hislutention to go into the whole question of university retort/v. - in Scotland, which woul4 open too wide a field; but he would confine him self Plikit'flY, to . the. subject .of the. qa" , ....5• to those Wlio hold offices in the universities. He would read to the House an extract from the Act of Se curity, which was passed in 1607, providing the test to be taken by those who should thereafter hold office in the Uni versities of Scotland. (The Right Hon. Gentleman here read the extract in question, by which it was provided that no pro fessor, principal, registrar, or other person holding office in any .rxi;3lc, !ff4G444tZ„ ::n•sa t. :, , s,p,pa 3 _ •-• . _ . • . ,•of the nniversitie4 . - colleges, or schools 'of Scotland, should , ,-s k i fip, r a rtr lt ill h aiii,.i . felt it his is duty-to pursue. In vain had he , *.rinitted to exercise their functions; unless ' they should havq, arfneff„ o ,t . e•speec of the Right Honnurable.Gentleman l first acknowledged the. Civil Government as established, and pros y; krsast ,stpunetatipn (Attie grievances occasioned by it. Not a :fisted their belief in, andsubscribed the Confession Of Faith, an s fraCe . eta: gilivitiCefiad-haiet heard of, and most attentively 'iortfrihipped in'the Church, and submitted to the government and, lisd he tiit - Oed tat had been. uttered. Bet the Hon. 'the :discipline thereof. Such were the previsions of, the, Ask [Aeritteink ai ' , N ,44 !9 , 54 4 . I. ' - ' ll is assertion that helvouldhe no party ,of Security; and it had at theteggestionnf the professocki.,fraeny repaeuieavlne should be prejudicial .to the Church, and themselves for the tithe being,_ that all persons holding :hither, i which sissertiiea'he:lSi r J. • Graham) most unfeignedly be 'rityin the universities hid been required to take this test. Clieirtl --1 4.clevraied, that he mould offer no objection to 'a s,irt. ' ' Now holever illiberal and narrow-minded those -opinions! ofnegative te s t or decla ration .on the part of professors. Novi, Inight appear at the present - day, he could find an excuse fog he Sir J. Grahaiii) could understand very well what a test those who had enacted them. 'They were not directed against titeent,'hut, helw:a.s,,,really at a , loss .to; unde r sta n d w h a t was any hotly of DisSeirterS; as the law, was UnderstoOdintheprea .. . ,'meant by neg a tive test. He mu s t b e - perm i tted to say, though sent day ; they were not directed against t fi e Roman - Catholics.„tt could shown, ,be believed, that in all the Universities in The Scottish Universities • were proteeted ,againgtahem by the„.S4itland: Honorary l 4i-embers were 'ex em p t from- the test— Penal laws.- Whey were intended 'tq isresserke*,.. re li g i ous , thoilgh it 'eneira s slie shown th a t i n the _University of- Glasgow - wiiiihiVortife - cOuntri - T - -ThiCAct of Sect's% was , confirm . EilscopAans bask filled, the professoes - chair-.yet they had EaPyteld'alylian to s had fill 'by the •Acf'ofUniOn; Mai confirmation hivieg been insisted on taken .the tett.. No teacher -i n - .Glasgo w.. h a d fill e d the 'by the Scotch themselves, ,There were 'excuses 'to be made chair WithoUt "taking, the test Tho or r - - - foe their in s i s ting o n the re-enactment of the Act of. Security. . been admitted either by- sufferance, ' Theyrecallected the' persectitionsWhich they, as Presbyterians,.. the professor's chair, yet, up to the present time, no Presbyte hati suffered under Charles the First. They . recollected their, lien dissenter 'had been admitted into the Universities of sufferings 'onaCcount of their religion in the tinie'ol,Charles; ,Scotland. He (Sir,J. Graham) would not now en t er i nto t h e the Secend and James the Second,-; They Could. not. but res. seaeisionho denlisseti l it--,Wwas _a great misfortune---it was ' Member' the 12,000 Presbyterians ,Who in the latter persecu-' extensive —most extensive ; .an'd beslwas desirens. that no wor d 'lions, had s u ff ere d d ea th on accoun t of th eir' religion.. All these shonldtall from 'him that shoulchtexasperate . that secession. 'thing ! Were fresh in'the:r memo ie''S at the, time of the passing Now, it was with peculiar pleasure that. he h ear d th e Ri g h t of the Aet of Union, ihd : When they were uniting, themselves to, : Ron., Gentleman state, that though.. e had seceded f rom t h e ti 'Legislature composed of a ' majority of Snatiqn professing a ,lion., he ( Sir. J. Graham). considered th at hi s faith which they , had such' reason to regard.. .. as hostile 16as to it vial, great indeed—yet, having 'seceded from it, he to theirs, they were right to take . care to guard themselves ' was not its enemy, •and would. not .do 'anything to 'subvert it. against any atteinpt . which - might' be „Made .. CO .subvert I - le•f( Sir ,I, Graham) was-sorry to say that that was not t h e , their natienal . religion. - Th a t . w as *the ',Only 'excuse that . langeage of acme of th e se ce d er s.. M en h a d be en f oun d among ! c i oalit las . Made for their' insisting, on the professors of them who bad declared themselves the enemies ef the Establish ed ' 'their " &win universities . 'and colleges .taking these 'tests. Church of Scotland, and stated that they considered that that ' Hoyetsng this practice of administering the test: h a d g o ne on *graitian Est a bli s h ment , as t h ey ca ll e d i t, was a ru i sance w hi c h in - the yeiVersity ef Edl n burgli he could not say, but there had ought to be .abated. He was sorry-that -the-Right Hon. Gen 'net been . 'foryearaJO the.liy professors any test .idthinistered, tiernan had brought for war d 'hi s mot i o n at :'the present time. PrinelPil Bene," in his evidence, said - thatisi, Edinburgh Uni- He had told the House that no Presbyterian Dissenters bad Verity .he was not' aware that any lay 'profess& had b een been admitted i n t o th e U n i vers i t i es of 'Scotla n d . • Now what obliged to take the test. ':' In the University of Aberdeen, since was the nature,of thesietrouage_ of tthososi/niversities, and who • 1826,The tests had been strictly administered, latit'thitt iirevioss held it ? It, bad !been held btesthasmemberssnf the different 't61626-thete - had been a Taxity respecting these tests, In the Corporations; ,hut sitistisp,•peesent•time itniight be held by honorary Offices . of 'rector and dean no test had: ever 'beep ad-. men who preferred. Dissenters- , ter-fill,the: different chairs of ministered ;. and, what etas still more singular ,: in the Uni- those Universities , unl e s s some tests - ex i sted• If• a' Dissenter ieteity 'Of Aberdeen, the g r eater number of . the lectiverS who, was appointe d to those chairs, w h o cou ld ' d ou b t that :taught ritipilst ii`the fullest•extent were stihjected:ao no test. he would *eh: his own =p ecu li ar views:,..-( Hear, hear. ) The practice ef. a d m ipi s t er i ng t hf s tes t h a d in -Abeydeen . go. 04 .. not ( think ... there was any great evil in . and ins'Ediribrirghpidchictive of no betiegt-','Whatever, and the the' 'establishment of rival i nst i tut i ons to Which - Dissenters absence of the t es t had - been attended:with sp,Manner of in might go and obtain the best education. ' Onahe contrary, he jury te - the - E - srabliskett'Chilfeli . .. - If . theylooked"th the nature thought rivaliilvsnadi have the' best effect.' '-It was a matter of the -test, and. considered the character ofthe Seotch ministry, of : primary impetbnceithet :the conn ec ti on ' s t the Universities - they --wooki •- at' 'once' see 'there Was: no necessity what.' with• the. Church sho u ld - rema i n. I t was ver y true that these ' h ever- fori' application .' - TheY . were ,' seminaries _for-, tests were erected against the danger of Episcopaey ; but he instruction. in literature, licieace, • .reedicine,' - and „the , ..cansethax danger had teased ; it would be mort.nnwise, in his arts.-:( IFlearl') Little . danger , was to .he . apprehithded opinion,, to remov e th em . Th ose tests were available against 'to the , Established.Church from this Mode . of education., ...He Presbyterian Dissenters seeking to obtain a preponderance in did not contend that profesiers of divinity shonld be excluded the Scotch Universities. Those tests bad .existed for a cen from the test-.-it was tram lay prefessOrs, hecontensied, and the , tury and .4 half, and some of the first men in this country administration' of 'the test to them would give.the Universities connected with science and ' • the arts had. • filled the . a sectarian &erecter. He had hoped that this practice Of ad- chairs of , those Universities,• notwithstanding these tests ministerin g t h e test Would gt ' sdnally fall 'into oblivion, but the 'very many men of e m i nence, among whom he might mention late unfortunate r e ligi ous differences in'Scotlaad had renewed - Lord Melbourne, the Marquis of Lansdowne,-and the Noble the question in all its 'bitterness. One of the Most distin- Lord, the Member for the City. of London; had goae to Scot guished men in the Scotch Universities had alteady- refused to land for the purpose of receiving part of their;education, not aakethe test, he had been subjected ; to the grOssest indignity withstanding these tests; .and he (Sir-J. Graham) was satis by'being thrutt from his distinguished - position by the Estab- fled that if they :would -only • leave' the matter Untouched all .lithed Church, *edit was quite clear that .if the tests Must would go well., :The Right -Hon. -.Gentleman the Member for stand they Must be universally soil impartially administered to P ert h h a d as k ed whether they were prepared to revive tests. all as well as to one.. What would be the ethisequence of ;such It was not a question of revival, but whether they, should also a:stepas this '• "Why, - all would he subjected to a confession of li s h tests ' which had existed for a ' hundred and fifty years. their faith; and the ,m embers "of Glasg o w, , St. Andrew's, The. Right .Hon. Gentleman had alluded to several petitions Aberdeen; and Edinburgh Uniiersities would be called upon to froni the Scotch Universities, bat so far from those petitions sign the ,I'rnisilsr .of the Church of 'Scotland, and either they being in' favour -of the - proposed measure, they were !deist fetord theinselies members of that 'Clnirch,,,thee inust against the . .change..—( Hear, hear.) In short, many of 'sacrifice their pithier's, or` abjure *their conscientious opinions. the petitions stated that the removal of the tests But that was not the oily thing. It 'would 'also restrict them would have the effect of destroying , the Universities, by !hereafter to a Most limited . extent rel.' their 'Own basis. There driving away th e i r sc h o l ars. The lion. and G a ll an t Gentle as,4 et the present Moinent, a vieint chair in "the University man whe res c i n d e d t h e mot i on talked of the spread of' secession, iiifsdiriburgh, anti'the University and the . public would be • Why it was only that very day that he had seen, in a Dundee. 'deprived of the 'services Of 'noless a man than .Mr.• Farraday, newspaper, that a. Scotch clergy man w h o h a d sec ed ed had re lietause he would' ncifiabkiibe to the iules of the Established turned to the- Church.—( Hear, hear, from Mr. 'Pox Mattis. ) • Church._( Hear, ) The.; if they looked to those chairs which The Right ..Hoe. Gentleman, perhaps, might be prepared to ineltide the teaching, of elassies in the ,Seetch Universities, prove that it was not so, they all knew very well; that the Heliconian spring. did not Mr. FOX MAULE—No; no. exist in Scotland, and were they' to refuied the ;services of Sii J. GRAHAM• was . glad to see that they must come to 'the distinguished niembers of other Universities, they • • the turning pant, • and secession • must be considered as at an would not subscribe to the Confession of Faithof thiEitablished end. --(Hear; bear) He hoped before the debate closed they ' Chirch'of Seotland?" Ile next came to the honorary otficei in . would hear'what --Stotch Members had to say upon the s u b- the - Universities:' . Great, stress was laid .oti, the , necessity of jest . They • had still in that House many whese Dames and their being tests for those offiCes,' or at 'all events. of the per- , ancestors were eminently connected with the histOry. of Scot sons appointed`to theist being subject to be called on to sub- land; and hehoped 'that they would give their evidence frankly 'setibe to the Confession of _Faith. He believed, however, that .and.fairlY in favour of the Church of their .ancestots.' He ' the 'practice id all the:Universities - was . never, to.. require these thought th a t, as S cotc h men , they shOald .pricee& with their test's in any honorary' aPpointmeOt. The appointment .of :the usual caution upon this important question. As a Minister of 'Right Hon. Gentleman' opposite to the dignity:of Lord ReCtor the -Crown, bound-as far as - in him lay to maintain inviolate - .of the University of Glasgow we's an' instance in which no test the.PiesbyteriaruChurch as established in Scetland,„fie must writ 'required ; and When he.(Mr., Fox Mettle). was honoUred oppose the introduction of the - Bill. '. ' ~ `l with the same office for one year, be did not subscribe to an y test Mr. RUTHERFORD a greed. wiih:the Right . }tbn. Gen , The principle of the University of Glasgow was , th a t th e test tleman, that this entirely was a Scottish question, and one or should remain:in force even with regard to honorary ogees, most vital im p ortance, and before he' entered into the merits., though it appeared the practice did not .very well: agree With of the ease, he must express a wish that the Right Hon. Ba thes theory. Last year he made 'inqui r ie s respecting .the ronet opposite, would not lay 4. the flattering 'unction to his rules of the Universitty;While passing. thraugh Glasgow, end soul," that any alteration had' taken place in, the generality the'prineipal held him disqualified because he would not sub- of the people of Seotland, with respeetto this secession ques steribe 'the tests'; but the Right Hon. Gentleman .opposite, lion. It was supposed that . the Clergy of Scollind were •when LOH Rector, presided at an election ftir .a ,professor of mercenary men, , and 'would not gi v e up . their livings. 'divinity, and it:was in fact, by his t asti ng . vo t e ,, th a t the Look to what had been the:resUlt. Therehad been a secession 'electiOri had been decided in favour of D. Hill,. though he of more than one half of them frornthe .Church.. The Church hact taken no oaths, and it Was well, knowe was . directly opposed was no long e r w h at i t was in the towns of Scotland, or i n th e to doing so.—( Hear.)" lii . did. 'Mit think the House had ever :country amongst the rural population. It was no longer, known ' had an easier or a clearer 'ease to deal 'with.. The, majority of as the Church of Scotland—(Hear, hear)—Which, of all the 'the- professors in all the Scottish Universities were favourable cliarches in the world had most closely united the affections of :te tlie Bill, and he:believed:with. the exception of••some lin- :.the people to it.'--(Hear,, hear.) That which was• now the ' steppes- • in the Uni'v'ersities of. Edinburgh, and of Aberdern, Eitablished Church of Sc o tl an d Was the church of the mino they Intd•ill expressed their opitheiton the subject, petitibns ritya-aee end riqt a Very large reinority.---(Cbeerao: Those to that House. .It should be s p o k en to their credit, that _whOlravellestthrinigh. Sootland" trigtit read the aiigna of the trtet . liarlhadidie liberality to baniiliahe system ' ol•tests.friom times, !, fgt. - filet' - could . not " move through - the Country . h .. among them for many - years . past,. and e - would call on Oie without '•iieing': everywhere the, censequencei' , Country the House to bewarebefore they ittetapted ae,,,aetiew that-systlera secession; -berea .. in 'the Southern . counties.-(Hear, hear. ) again. 'Bit' doing so they. would. raise ,up rival institutions, There . viefe - 'lOO ' - ehitielei in course of being built bY the from , 'which professors . favourable`. to ~:the.,. Established seceding psrty, and the 1 suns, which ,had been subscribed was Chitral *mild : be . .' banished ; ,and :. :not . -, only that, far beyond *hat hid been .'calculated upon.—(Hear, luar.) but every . .iedivldual' . edu cated •In • these : Ipstitutions Larger subscriptions were given - for. the support,' Of the chanties would' •be ' brought up ,in -. rivalry ', . and hostility than were given before the secession. The application of the to the Established cUrch,, whereas 14 being_ educated in the test to the admission of te a ch ers t o ahe Universities struck at • - ..• • •Wi . present:Universities With' Member s aaf that Church,. such fetl- twcs4hirds of the population of Scotland.. He would quote the ings would never " - be :."created..iii T ikse them.. ~: Perhaps case of Dr: -. 7trewster, a man of an European fame.--( Hear, Illemherssviere notaWare that the, Established Church was at ' hear)—of undenhted eloquence, and whose attachment to the , present the 'church of 'the minority . of .the - people of. Seotlard. Church of SCbtland was undoubted, to show hew scandalously In the year 1707 it was the: relignin of nearly the . entire of this test was appli e d: .B ecause h e sece d e d f rom the Church he • that people,' but the time was past . when a ' Sccitchman co uld was assailed by intolerant opponents, . and ' the application: West of such being the case any longer; Hedid 11.44, make that of the test was - insisted on in order. to oust him... 7 .-( Cheer s. )4 ' assertion without having gone, through some calculations. On He referred 'to this case to shod- how the test.. would be. looking into the report,of :the Church' Education committee, allowed to o_pe rate if they did not, in , good time, appli. - , a. it a pp ea red that the propOrtidn was about a' illion of Church- remedy.—( Hear, hear.) He . trusted that • the arar eer ig men to half a million of ,DiSsenteri, but since .the disruption Parliament weald hold the balance between both partitss, and had taken plieein the .Church, he was not,. over the mark in that English Gentlemen would look upon this as A Scotch • stating that 400,000 indiv ideals hadleft the Established Church. question. The Right Hon. .Gentleman referred 'to the Act He would . not ask the House ,to accede to .his motion if he ,or 1707 as the ground on which he opposed the motion. . The thought it would affect' the stability of the Church. He did Ri g ht Hon. Gentlemen, at first, seemed.to doubt whether the not want', to lay any rude :bands on her, histitutiOnS,. even " System of tests was good or opt," and whether : the . House thinighle differed from her doctrines, but,.on the contrary, in o u g ht n ot 'ln .deal -with the questipn ; but, he'turned . 'Submitting his motion ' to the House, le . .was convinced, that the • round • • at . :' the end, and said that lay and secular test system, if allowed to continue,would not only endanger the teacheri Soiled .. be likely to instil their own'particul ar • wellsbeing'ef the University; but the p e emanence of the Church, 'doctrines into the minds of their, hearers. This was net found by raising up the rival estatli s hr o ent s t o which he had before re- to fife the casein Scotland. The:teachers of jurisprudence and ferred. Now, he begged to state that he had no objection in the . medicine,aed the other lay professors, discharged thei r d u ti es Bill which he , proposed to introduce for thepurpose of relieving with perfect impartiality , and did-not interfere,with matt ers o f prefessorefrom these* tests,..ahould it be desired by.H onourable religious belief.. The. Right Hon.. Gentleman referred to• Gentlemen opposite ' to' him, to introduce a sort of. negative another danger - in the _establishment of , rival U n i ver ai t i el , test. • That . was, he was willing . to insert a clauie requiring .H e th oug h the more education there was the better. ,He asked, them to make -a declaration that, in their classes and lectures wokild they give those rival Universities, w hi c h the secederi they would not teach anything which might tend to the pre- might establish, the power of granting those degrees whitzli • jediee Or lead to the -subversion of the Established Church. thu. gave to the State .Universities ?—( Hear, ,hear.) Ay ,in, •He had no ' objection 'that professors should be re- Scotland was not a very large country, And if th ose t ests - were • quired - - to do that, thou,gh 'he thought ,it was per- applied, the . number. of, the pupils , 'would be dimiaiabed, feetly useless, because he - knew that in ' the% arts and and - the remuneration, of the professors . being in come in the sciences the professors of the Universities of. Seotlan quetfea ' diminished,. professors , of .ability would. not wete men who attended to their own hot ness ,. and never a t- be • found -to fill the chairs at the "'Universities. tempted to go out of their wa y t o h r if i i n su bj ec t s with which ' There was nothing in the test to make pr0f...4 20ra boter • fiatin.--(Hear, hear.) Would any body be,Vess qualified to their lectures had nothing to do. .He should simply conclude Qualified to teach medicine, chemistry, jurisprudee;ce, Greek, or ) at t in o g we t i h g e h w ß e ig li h t t he H d o e n ciiio G n en to tle w m h an ich o h p o pos w i o t u e ld ( S c i o r m J e; teach an abstract science because he hes' not taken it ? h G El y e ra e a h n i a s t m o l'e --(Hear, hear.) The Right Hou. Gentleman then referved entreated the House not to seal with its approbation the revival of a system of tests which, perhaps, might have bee* to two - professors in Glasgow who signed the test, not being of .justified at the time it was adopted, which, i n th e p resent the Established Church of Scotland, One of the worst so use (ponces of the t es t wou ld b e , th a t it would kad men to alter, - • spirit of the age, was totally and entirely obnoxious to the feel- , ings of all men of liberal education, and which could be attended an d- a c t wi t h reservat i on , instead d acting in a plain, straight with no good effect to the Established Chu rc h, b u t,. on t he ferwar4 manner. , The evil conseq uences : . o f . the test Contrary, was calculated to pull down rath er than to support Might' not have been felt when . all . Scotlan d was 'that venerable fabric. --( Hear. ) - : united in one Church, but now when the Churns of Scotland Sir A. LEITH HAY said he should • very briefly second Was divided, not into a variety' of creeds, bilt,'when there was the motion of his Right Hon. Friend ; an d in doing so he per- •le large party whO wouldnot conform to ,the practice and wor frctly agreed in all the arguments . a d vanc ed •- an by him, di n all ' ship of the Church, and Who would not suhenit to its discipline, his opinions, more particularly in the. one with which he had it was time for the Legislature to. interifere.—( Hear, hear. ) concluded, that the measure now •recommended to the House The main ground on which the li t ight, Hon. , Baronet refused was not calculated to weaken the foundations of the Church, t o sece d e t o th e i n t ro d uct i on of the,.:Sill - was, that it was oP7 or to • prejudice its inter es t s ,• b u t ra th e r t o , s t r e ng th en pose d to t h e A ct o f 17 Q 7— t h e Act. of Security.--( Hear , hear ) the one and advance the o the r . H e , cou ld easel* that among When the Act of Union passed, this separate Act w 'ill- - the professors , pa s t an d p r e sen t , o f the Universities palmed; and it became ~part, and . parcel of the Actofrn al ion. of Scotland, not an instance-could be -fotuxi-of a - professor - The people V - S . Cotlana thought ( it mould -be .ato find that introducing tenets into his - lecturea foreign to the subject which their Church.. , But . . they ' had soonreas l n ainst .thnovatir, u • he was - appointed to teach. - The question would. not have been mooted, .but for the unhappy.' divisions which had occurred in -•--(Chierty—for: ' in about. five years .Parliament passed an Act 'ft ' *al. '' tafill' very 'strong s afe gu ar d s itter the passing • tbesChurch of Scotland; but as they had occurred, it was o f the Act of' 1707, the IMperial .ii , . . blinds of the clergy, and doubly necessary that something should be d one tiaon.,the sub- • *hit% +Changed the constitution of th e. Church of Scotland, by ,from whom it was previously taken ject. ,If the. cours now , suggested- ere ad°Rteds he !Wei satin - aemoying', the patronage from the ma . , •Beclit itauld tend greatly to soothe asperities, and to soften t'estaring•it to thepatren • those 'unhappy' differences :which had shaken • ScOtland to its away by an, 'Act; of the . Scotch Parliament passed in 1609. it here was 4 new one. ---( Cheers. ) foundation. -He - thought . the Right Honourable . Gentle- That was an old insta nce, t e iathe constitution of the Church of min opposite (Sir ,James` .Graham) must now greatly - fn the last year theY tee;_ tl still prepared to call the Act of last A 4 - (Cheers.) ? Were they prepared to regret' the supineness he . Lad :shown on • .the subject of Scotland. Were .i 4 •Brooghim, and all the • other judges -wh o the Scotch Church ; 'foe , he - must by this time have found r decl a 0 TO I-- - ri :, er the rY '.face of the opinions of Lord Cot that that delay had been the most prejudicial thing that do . ,- 45 i s t. had ever 'happened to Scotland , . and, inbia.( Sir A . L. Hay's) tenkata s . .. cheers..) opinion, ' it - would be more prejudicial . still. - • ; ana .. hi, ,•.. e o ue 41 the constitution of the •He therefore row*n_ ~ ludgm. en.t. ••In ~ the case. 7 ---(liear-, j and Church of Scotland by tle iiiatlAßOfisAct in . a. mint delicate point—the distribution of trusted that the Right Hon. Baronet, would use. assist Is le, ins the' iinithosities,. and 'hindering, as nan s ,es .s. ~ , ' tion wale* p,ktiakiage.„ . --The laPlentable dis rup tion a dherents the teittai,arid the worst. consequence. of what . they were 0 un qn . "- tigt46,.l. theme d.Cibitel:l4htc. tatuyraiSmeootulaulddimwapsrearythethceba.raChe:errehofoaf cOnseqa t eeco Of the shocking i and had taken place. ' The House roust recollect that ii?' ifie Ettiblished Chureh of Scotland did not now dre anl 44 44 ; ;0' - T his .nie therefore Tliefie'lieli9AS - Wollid teCorile'Odi ,of. Scotland.—( Hear, hear.) snore than one-third of the population. : tioirlit theie tests more im p ortan t i han lls ve ßill, sdthatthere - petsge„,--(llear ;hear.) Bi c , of their Learhitig Would t he 7 , e gtia AA the great majority of the linked leave would be given to bring in d fill the . . 0 _ . ,..... 13 ,1 ; vianild found other schools. might collie down to their Country . san .. from this, and who, abilitirVo\a h. .. .:r - prec l uded fr o m hemming teachers in conse ea were Unable ftnru their reli- ratehia'S Of , their pied' religious. • • and tinder the/Wesel:l'i "cirenntstanc , . s •- - .. s ar opinions, two- thirds profskirs;mett 'of the, highest eminence. _ .... nt . the 1 *pi e given to bring in taught . an' Those where the test was required.. gienao do so. . . .wAl!lil not . send . their -children to be A:.brand:wai „ unive rsities , pliced upon two-thirds of the people, because the anill •, - • •commencement of the Le g islat ure . . , ' G RA H AM sa i d, in, the oh- considered them unable to ' furnish teachers ... . thi . t i 4 quist4.4 being put that - leave . be se:rSriartileiisGhe should address to th 4 J l c 4 nes 11 . 0 would take leave of ' their "Mtn.- - ( Hear, hear.) They would - not only destroy g . a poi n t which .had been alluded to thilie early part of the ,Chgtch of Seotland,, but they would 'create a sectarian X 11° A g t the Hight Iron. Gentleman who had- introduced church;: which would ,becOMe the most intolerable of evils to thee speech übjee t o befere them. He must say that, in -a matter'like the 4iiatry;-'...(Cheers.) , -• .. ' • • this, Which was avo wedl y to affect t h e Etablithed,Che rch of Thi:LORDADY.9pATE felft hirosel'i boundby hisconvic , e co terd, and, which vas in i connection with th e fundamental dons* to Stlite that he Was opposed to a mot ion whereby they were . article of *the Act of Union, he thought the Right Hon.. Ge- eallechipen in reiCal'certaie tests that. bad been enacted by the bad 4 tl l iera,pferring done well in avoiding' a resolutio n of ~the House, wiiclutit 91 .thetisr 4 "9 144 1 . 4,: , and 'which.:had continued in exist to ask leave to b r i ng i n a Bill upon the sob- enee for - Altera of, about a century ailed a half. •: He had not j' F ct,;, 74 l-lowever, he ttionght his. Right Hon. Friend had shown heard 'that any one. instance of eny,...practical evil had resulted . vemanundjndgment, 'but beyond this he'would nap, fo r h e from Alik eitistegce pithesse teats, Tab the exc eptiori t. oi n t d h r e e e ,, s , st . r visiejaehry to, say , he felt ithis - duty decidedly ' to oppose the too- alluded iir . isheving occurred ia , thevUni verse yOf S t. re ns tha b i tiaitanstoOinitted from the Chair., . He, however, must admit rt had :beep 'Omitted, that it W ' 111.4" imix d vt rat• their object the historical truth with which the.Right.Hon. Gentleman had those tests were.enacted. .It wareynd kite_ t. intfloelfaced his case; and with respect to the policy which ors- was to proteet; the Es Scotland these tests sie e girially euggestedthese,tests, there was no material difference that was apprehended.to:it from Firaiseopacy...r beyfemthem. He new • wished to remind the House that reasonable t . 9 PiotFt thq - hurt Chur -from. the anticipated danger Established Church of tland from dan ger j concludeti they were. reasonable for the theamgrti jnyited to deal with a matter which had been so- of E n i scoe aev, then e. s . . other danger. . .Ne doubt lerenliaetaled, by the, Scotch .Parliament, f* ' ta d I itcould a hangelo : macaw nces,•an i .which formed the proteetion . of 4,ol ll .urciaafrgul auy ,- furidamantal article of the Union, and whi c h thetreaty of Union there had beettAi tios ~ ,:. e hialgo ~114_ ,circumstanceswas admitted ftf no 11tp'.!!?%:Iii,ci declared to be indispensable. --Tbe treatymade that declaration maduAlltesti t P '''' - , 4 ir „ .•e••-,' ritilei - t:epeal; reef ; those . tests in, tSe_ earngept i ainanner, and_in •wprila which „wes.requiretho be made -outlet %wort • i l liato,n4tMut d es' b e their tepeal.. - But . raarepxeseetation WhateVer- not thathe (Sir J. Graham) was then was o i l" b. ea;a t , ta i ttt .a ' e l t a m : a itec t e . t ' ip - t ,, a t et s:74 ' . .t . xlt a:l , g th itat e t gith • assaiLl e he nt y: o , i w t e i r los e'e e na tes air., ,vt = A L s e a t:i geltig ia;the present ay to argue • that because at a, far distant d i ',,fo;jet ,thent els Aerie the importance tisati weal period admething had beendeclitred hindiMental that it should s uch for ever be immutable—but whit be should contend for, was daio l ental iirii49 4 , the iiill 4:: Of- . ..Union, f th •'' '' or 6 alPeurity atill thatAanges should not be mad e on any slight round, or upon f ,en l geR . • • .... IVtkitial occasion. Least'of'ardiii lie think they ought to un . „ .. s f r 'A, having kiginally been de- proteetteß o th e , Ch urch„ . L ...ay were to rezabe j e =abet-, arett t a a la hper,. ~ear meddle ,Witli that Whjek, eared' fendamental, was still mass of the .population of .Scotland of . the present day., . For a great, gliFige, of_ o .FelPimtrAtteimin that cow, + asi v efiienee to Parliament in the. Chum. He 441..n0t,,•,k au , b ah . held- in the • Maar regard, by a.vast whir Because there had witthi n a,h e a ut ..., . . 0 , ftrisen h - and this Matter*. came under. the consideration, of o e :of , the stancee.„ art. roastin,-, Al ta t . t es t s . any', - 11. di m : • had ken _presented, signed • by. the : uilme't.'i s i g;l' stP :' i - - t • - • -• • - ,I - -- pAitec the -year 1826*; . and in the' year IBao a report _ „had Lear*64 i . riend Maw 6inwthltavbecausweree .:. •- ' a d efer en -sea frombecomeless necessary , or whet' ter he meant to molt' - ethinent • 'men Mat h Scotland to that House. The Members on that Committee say, that because that change sr ,s circumstances had concurred in recommending not only that the tests should not arisen the Church should be no loaf , e r protected. It was It O s t ilth tige t' irf oCir.ctirn be discontinued, but that they should be more vigorously ap- one of those two propositions which 1 hey meant. Either ou plied.—( Hear, hear.) Now he thought when he reminded account of that change of circumstane es the test was no longer the House that this system of tests was the fundamental article I necessary, for the danger n o longer es ; fisted, or because o f that of the Union, and when he quoted the opinion just referred to, ' change of circumstances th e Ch urc h no loner deserved pr 0. I the House would be slow to disapprove the course which he tection. Now, he did he danger wa s diminished f.l ,t) (.7; It 1 2111!. , 1410 , • 7'57 tt: yi usxv,r 1utt.721.4 sit c• i 4;1 Id:, I: