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___-- -------- Dublin had placed himself bef o r e the Committee in the wit_ Hess ch air; but neither the Hon. and Learned Member for ewtaat,grinotr 'the Hon. and Learned Member for Huntingdon had 1 , proper to ask any questions. There was another matte r on vhieli - , too, he thought the Hon. and Learned Gen tlema to M r evo'uld wish to have adverted, namely, the o ff er he made Raphael of a Baronetcy.—( Hear, hear.) On the !tiornints of that day on which the offer was made there. mutt have sumo aetu in th e h an d s of the Hon. and Leirned Member th e Lion. ,000/. or 1,200/.—(Loud cheers from the Opposi -1 ' He might have explained from what source he was autlkerised so to reward the merit of Mr. Raphael---,wlo, ‘lnd Panted him permission to dip his hand into the Itnntain of Raphael. , for t he purpose of crowning the exaltx4 'merits of Mr. Puael• The Hon. Member concluded by moving the first resolution : " That it appears in the evidence reported by the Com mittee appointed to inquire into the circumstances under which Alexander Raphael, Esq. , was r e t urne d a Member for th e county of Carlow at the election i n J une l ast t h at an agree ment in writing was c onc l u d ed between Daniel O'Connell, C ! , a Raphael, M s follows: ember of this llouse, and the sa id Al exander . a "MY dea r " ' Clarges-st ree t, J une I, 'IS. posed t o Sir,—You havin g acce d e d to t h e term 0 s pro- Y ell you for th e e l ection of the county of Marlow, viz., a re to pay before nomination 1,000/., sm . ; one thousand Poun ds, and a like sum after beiiig returnea ; the first to he Paid absolutely and entirely for being nt,minated ; the second t,o_ be paid only in the event of your having been returned— any undertake to guarantee and save you harmless from any . and every other expence venatsoever, iwhether of agents, ages, counsel, petition ag -hist the return, or of any other escription ; and I orhonourable enga make tlT;is guarantee in th e f u ll est sense be the o ement that you s h ou ld not poss ib ly r• any nenqnuitirieigctentonypay cr.ie shilling more i n any event, or upon w hatsoever. " ' I ''..m, my dear Sir, your very faithful " ' DANIEL O'CONNE LL. " ' Ale`lander R ap h ae l , Esq. ' " th r * It- Colb orne an d Mr. O ' Connell rose together, but e cri es for Mr. O'Connell prevailed, Mr. R. Colborne giv lap; Way, hi Mr. O'CONNELL said it was with regret that he intruded % self upon the House at that moment; but as he intended alot be present at any more of the discussion, he felt it right ' to o address t h e few words he had to offer before the matter pro- Z e e ded furth er. He rose the more readily upon the occasion, th :ause be h a d an exceedingly pleasing duty to perform in first place, and that was to offer the meed of his most re 11Pectful, most humble, but most sincere thanks, to the gentle t4lhe_eo, f all parties who composed the committee before which bene narg e of the Hon. and Learned Member for Bradford had heard and determined.—(Hear, hear.) He had never tF gentlemen attending with more care, keeping their Atten .li°l More Perfectly alive, or displaying more of the air of corn- Zpikete iMpartiality than those members of the committee did, ue differed from him in general political opinions.—( Hear, 4he If, indeed, he were called upon to make a choice be `Ween the attendance of either one party or the other—which be could not—h e s h ou ld f eel bound to express his thanks for what e appeared to be the more delicate sup e ri or ity o f attent i on on th part of those who differed from him in politics. He t d°u4 nd Learned Member for Bradford th a t even i ng . —( H ear. ) He 1- not respondedow whetter the tone an d t emper o f t h at speech cor but after with Th e f ee li ngs o f E ng li sh gentlemen generally ; vvhal gentl e he had wi tnesse d o f t h e conduct of English ("ear on this C omm i ttee , h e did not believe it did.--• m„ ) He certa i n l y did not think that there were many gentiCanen in the House wh and would coincide in the unhapy Ilai:iblings and unfortunate d manifold contradictions of him p - Z 4l f, into which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman fell in the ettllr)sediodf his Add ress . I t was .. quite true th a t h e (M r . O'Con -et say on a f ormer occasion, that the H on . an d L earned rs -4e rnber f or B radford had acquitted him of the charge of pe 4iaTY co rrupt i on. He (Mr. O'Connell) said that on the t Neceasion on which the subject was brought forward, and eat did the Hon. and Learned Member for Bradford do ? said now that he (Mr. O'Conn e ll) h a d b een gu i lty of pe icuniary corruption ; b what did e then? e enied it. .I lea r, hear.) " He ut (exclaimed h Mr. say O'Connell H) d —be—the al ernber , for Bradford talk about my character. He under elftands brib ery, and I told him so, and he did not d eny i t.— -a, hear.) He has never d en i e d i t, although he has since aa ne ortu *ty of doing so ; and if he denies it now— if h b "e de nies °P ti P ow that he demoralized Pomfret by spending Pwards 1)15 1000/. for his election there—l will move for a gz'olnlittee to inquire into the matter, and then let him, and let th e abut Hon . M em b er f or C arlow, who talks so disinterestedly L ~73‘, ena rneter, come f orwar d to support me--let the Hon. -- Learned Member for Bradford, if his conscience be clear, 'e tli h d alle nge, in the case of Pomfret, that inquiry from which I la not shrink in the case of Carlow.—(Cheers.) I have been k i tel Y in the neighbourhood of Pomfret, and I have now no aioluebt that it would be fully in my power to prove the facts I geVS against the Honourable Member on a former occa- I 8i ° 0 4 , , and which he did not then contradict.--( Hear, hear.) ,"t not trouble the House at any length. It is not my pur siTse to follow the Honourable and Learned Gentleman FrO u ...l_ 0 ,,, L en the rhodomontade of a speech which I have heard that im' misquoting, mistaking, misrepresenting everything 4,l3.Peared before him.--( Hear, hear.) A tissue of more ~13!ellIteated misrepresentations could not, indeed, have been °Belivered for the edification of my libellers--( Hear, hear)— giiTh e i .O f whom I may say, perhaps, the . prime mover of all hi rag to earn the wages allowed by his party, has employed I te „,elf in cooking up the speech which this evening we have l'h;" ° impressively' delivered.—(Cheers and laughter.) of H on• and Learned Member for Bradford has spoken evide°atradictions in the evidence; lie says that Mr. Baker's the-wene,e contradicts one of my letters. How does he set t l ed tne contradiction? I stated in my letter that I never e ( o i ni so, : tnrt a i l i l ly account with Mr. Baker, and then he finds that In go , °` nIY money found its way into the hands of that gentle an , This is one of the mighty contradictions which he has been endeavouring to impress upon the House : — th Q t a " " e ar.) Do I complain of the preposterous view which solemn -earned Gentleman has taken of the evidence ? No. I leetlY declare that I think it is owing to the sort of intel iast ' 3 possess es . T here is about the Learned Gentleman or enders `Bat e xtent of mi li d w hi c h ren d ers h i m i ncapable of seeing ,ah ritanding the question before hi m .—( Cries of " Oh, bef ore chee'es.) Th e H on . an d Learned Member had t th - 'hal ev ery document and ever y s p ec i es of evidence teens Tip_ elucidate or explain the nature of the tran . sac d that th 'lad had with my bankers. The Committee decide th at 40 account should not be looked into ; but the moment eou ttr . "e Hon. and Learned Gentleman found that the ac lltetti,-bwa_,B a partial one, he came forward and stated that I had h ided that a partial account. Although the Committee de- I tnat ,my banker's account should not be looked into, znitt illish ect it, and I appeal to every member of the Com- I h ee w hethe r I did not furnish the whole of it.—( Hear, hear. ) h un al l,ded it over to the Hon. and Learned Member for Party: l°ool l (Sir F. Pollock) as the nominee of the opposite W e nd be with great delicacy took it home with him, and . , 1,h...., afterwards assured me, looked only to those paits ?f it t tt i v t ° bore i mmediately upon the subject under investigation ; 40 grtoned it from hegionion• oeun g t e will tell the House that I placed the whole of the ac exam. in bis hands, and with my full consent he might have to end.—( Hear, hear.) There is s pecial °li d or pretence, therefore, for the miserable species of set 1 , ' he ading which the Learned Member has attempted to aiky s y l Pon the pecuniary part of the transaction. Then he bpo t was called upon for a balance. I never was called brae for a balance. I was called upon from time to time for theta.3's'a'd paid m oneys w h en I was called upon to pay Ino o „ wha l do th e C omm i ttee say ? "It app ears th at t h e hardj,. ' w as placed t o M r. O ' Connell's general account at his it w a - s 's in London. It was, however, advanced the moment Paid i ai_l.led fo r to Mr. Vigors ; and though some of it was Was av ° ?Ilia, the discount was allowed ; the amount, theref?re, ititerestadable whenever wanted, and no charge of pecuniary I ea ter ean be attached to Mr. O'Connell."—( Hear, hear.) xiii ttea i lnto this not as a defence. The report of the C . orn- ti tw,i v s n ly defenee.—( Hear, hear.) The unanimous . opinion - --(c h e Honourable Gentlemen of this House is my defence. Itl 4„..",r8.) The Hon. and Learned Member's speech is It isru'al from the report of the Committee.—( Hear, hear.) is a lie t a question between him and me at all.—( Hear.) It 1 harestion between him and the Committee.—( Hear, hear.) att e 4 already expressed my thanks to that Committee for the Wheth" which they paid to my case, and to every Member_ ahan ether I had the honour of knowing him before or not—l l aY h a e t ert ainly for the future pay the courtesy of taking off ca use 0 henever I meet him-_(A laugh, and cheeis;)—be -1%1,1 am Proud, notwithstanding the strong party zeal and ° Nil* Lad i ngredients which exist in this House, the p arty I e does still contain gentlemen who, whatever their that th el ings may be, feel as gentlemen and men of honour, xs• ere °Y were bound to do their duty impartially when they call e d ph li on, upon to act as judges.—( Hear, hear.) But the , iraindh.L,,earned Gentleman says I was not examined myself, -ow h e -`. come forward to prove any part of my own case, ( b li ear, hvieoaur.ld, ta unt me with having been my own witness ; i ll h, trisof l u He would then have said, " Oh, Mr. ?'C'on 'her . s pplied every deficiency of the evidence ; when l) L e 'ee no vl e l l t l n p es l a se e s d e( . ald not speak to particular facts, MI-, a il ir tri hi tasof ~.e . himself in the witness's chair, and spoke to Niv l t i l nit fr r ,_ ' --(Hear, hear.) If on the other hand I had thi s y, t' 'n examination hear.) what would he then have said ? the Y- eight be dare not to face the Committee. Feeling that tit. eanirniv said ? I went into the witness chair, in order that ;, ear t o me te .e, gilt have the opportunity of putting ques _.erned Gentle it thought proper so to do, The lion. and %I lle , an , "1., leman who acted as nemince on the opposite la a ( . 1 '• ho vvas well known to be one of the ablest prartlz ta e at th e i t o l . :i n ar, did not deem it necessary to examine iltv4hvie-htnataS see n i n e g ci t t l i g n - p V o e l He might, if he had thought proper, st res s the Learn e d m ; lie subject of the baronetcy, upon 04: tie _ .He did _ O . Mc for Bradford has laid so much tt,l7hi, nso r I ! . t ao so ; neither did the Honourable Gen „ Partsot th .... Ilat . any questions to me upon the subject. Not th e a ei t'i'; Is it right that it should go abroad to-morrow peb,Xtor„ia_ 7;P s ech, amidst the ribaldry of the Times arid tit...4040ns 1 - 0 t--the managers of which two veritable 1 10 /1 k s houl t r now e now, no doubt, present—i s it right that an ta ti.,ead Learned be made against me, in the words of the c ann ot atee,_ Member for Bradford ?It is true that I r i'l ll se h e has " rtesPect the words that fall from him, after the Le er ' after sheaf en ; but I appeal to the House, whethe r it is ch a ; Prelim,4ir o pportunities of explanation which have all . g e arr,,,,s:Y afforded, that he should now, by rakin g up the du ct? are be gi v i n ,... 8 a sort of impunity to those who, at th e c t; wase,rteady enough to vilify and to condemn my con piar.4-.eartied S'iere ever so paltry an excuse as that made by Zaln..._ ein bringing'ember to-night, for the delay which had taken st 4x, :i this motion forward ? Was ever a charge Fetnbx, eks, urrkeiber of this House postponed for a month or six er frivolous e e t ii to,m r , h a p.e s ..at 1 a a tb advanced by the Learned 13 e. or ') t • ( Hear, hear.) The plea was one of that e ard at rather desperate character, which one occasionally (platter sessions.—( Hear, hear.) It had no sub- stanec—it was mere pettifogging.—( Hear. her. 111 1:49. mid Lear ne d M em b er gave 14 , 2itiep plow4ra: l of 4 o iri 3 Olith Ago, that he s h ou ld ca ll fi.tt att:ention 'eV "the 1-16t‘t e tC) the eVidence taken before thu earlbw Elee'6'n AloArrqil-e. Why did he nut then specify Vy,lialt il‘W ii6.14.1ie of his Motion was to e ?-- 7 (hear ) heat". Vtl'iy did he suffer the Hohle : - - -:,Wby 'id be :stater kiln, against whom thy 'cb4rl,e `it' , y. ,1% ti6 l ,;Jt7-77,t0 ti ll , I" , :',rnain in total ignoOtieqf ‘4O 10 ., motion was to be, until three .dap iii-'6 , P-r 4; ..ear, hear.) Has his conduct to p i a betel), Itik4- ri it never happened to anybody else in thLF Ite'.l;e to be treated as I have been by the flo i n.,tin,d J"..ea'r'Aed Member for Bradford. Wh a t i." tlift,T.eit'Aea 1”e;: - 1,;er s ex cuse for treating me in . t,111*,i‘911), , c` ,:hy th a t H on . M embers would not read f.W, f' Mort of the Committee during the vaca tion z t1.0431'e he postponed his motion till after the vaea tii)n. because Hon. Gentlemen would not read the report during the vacation, he gave them the, whole fa,,f, the t'atitiai not to read it in. Th a t wal th e .to,at tngllsti of it.—(Laugh ter and cheers.) ; tot that Ido not now stand up here to defend tuntelf:;-::-.1 rely on the report of the Committee. The Hon, and Learned Member has not called for the appointment 'et another Committee; if he had, I would have Pecootleti his motion, because I never would bare shrtinl; frOili inquiry.— ( Hear, hear.) I confess, hownvet), I thould have been sorry to have been compelled to de iii, out of respect for the Gen tlemen who cernpeiioa the form er C omm i ttee..—( Hear.) I have political. ikulMositics ; the Hon. and Learned Member .a.ys I hall political purposes. To be ea're I have. , .. -4 neat.) Is it n Crime in a Member of Parliament to entertain a political purpose ?—( Hear.) In this ease the Hon. and Learned Gentle man accuses me of political corruption, and to support his accu sation, he reads a letter of mine, in which, having a son of my own already returned for a borough, I offer to sacrifice 1,0001. to proture his return for a county. And the intellect of the Hon. and Learned Gentlemen is such, that he reads this letter as a matter of charge against me.—(A laagh.) This puts me in mind of a counsellor at the Irish bar, who was counsel on one side ) and of use to the other.—(A laugh.) The Hon. any{ Learned Gentleman reads that letter to prove my political corruption. The original tharge against me was that of pecu niary corruption. It Was so stated in the Times. The Timeg no doubt tirade a great deal of money by ine-.4 near, hear, and laughter.) It was so state d i n the Morning Post, and I suppose I was a small matter of gain to the Post too.—( Hear, hear.) The original eltarge was a charge of pecuniary cor ruption, but the Hon. and Learned Member for Bradford, feeling that facts were too strong against him, the moment I claimed an acquittal from that charge, on his own assertion, he instantly withdrew it.—( Hear, hear.) Now he puts it forward again. But I will not trespass on the House. If I have been a little more warm than I ought to be, Hon. Gentlemen will perhaps find an excuse for me in their own bosoms. I stand on the Report of the Committee—until that is set aside, I can afford to despise the little cavillings of little minds.—( Hear.) I beg pardon of the House. I have done.—(The Hon. and Learned Gentleman sat down amidst a general cheer.) Mr. R. COLBORNE felt that when the question at issue first tame before the House there were too many on both sides who looked rather for triumph than wished strictly for justice. The Committee met it with the determination to be biased by no feeling, and to do their duty, and no more. If the House affirmed the resolutions of the Hon. Member for Bradford, it would indirectly come to a decision that the Committee had most inadequately performed that duty--(hear)—nay, more, that it had grossly neglected it. —( Hear, hear.) He trusted, however, that such would not be the case. It was impossible for a Committee to be more fairly selected; it was taken from both sides of the House, without favour and without distinction of persons. He never saw a Committee more anxious and more determined to do its duty, and he had watched its proceed ings closely and attentively.—( Hear.) They were resolved to act honestly, and independently of party views and political feelings, and to come to a decision on the grounds of truth, right, and justice alone. There were two nominees, one on each side, who acted fully up to the high character which they bore with the profession and the public. To these the Committee decided upon leaving the conduct of the case. They resolved to hear alone—not to examine, and to decide upon what they had heard. If once they had begun examining witnesses, they might degenerate into partisans, instead of being, as they should be, impartial judges. Their report was now before the House. He believed it to be honest and just ; and all he could say on the subject of it was, that he fully adhered to every particle of it, and would not wish a single word of it changed. It completely acquitted the Hon. Member for Brad ford of having brought the charge through factious motives ; and it exonerated the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin from all blame beyond indiscretion. The Hon. Member for Bradford might now think it his duty to bring the subject once again before the House by way of experiment, but he (Mr. R. Colb orne ) can didl y confessed that he did not think the Hon. Member could show any justification in the course he had taken.--( Hear, hear.) He (Mr. R. Colborne) concurred completely in the words of the report, that the whole tone and tenour of the letter of the Ist of June, from the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin to Mr. Raphael, were calculated to excite much suspicion and grave animadversion ; and he had no doubt that the Hon. and Learned Member felt it, as it had been intended, as a rebuke of the Committee ; but there could be no second opinion upon the nature of the connection which the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin had with the transaction. With the evidence of Mr. Vigors and the other witnesses before them, the Committee could come to no other conclusion than they had come to. The Hon. Member for Bradford might have easily found stronger extracts in defence of the Committee, and exoneration of the Hon. Member for Dublin, than he had in inculpation of the one, or doubt of the decision of the other. " Had Mr. O'Connell's name been mentioned or suggested by you before Mr. Raphael, in answer to your question of who the friend was he wished to consult, named Mr. O'Connell ? Mr. O'Connell's name had been mentioned, but not as the friend or negotiator. We had mentioned his name, for, in fact, I had been speaking of other candidates to whom we should most likely apply in case of his refusing us ; and, in order to urge him to an immediate decision, I mentioned that there were other names, and in the course of that conversation Mr. O'Connell's name was incidentally introduced ; but the propo sition of leaving the settlement and completion of the treaty to Mr. O'Connell originated entirely with Mr. Raphael. " Was Mr. O'Connell mentioned in any way, except as you have stated, as the person who would be in communication with others likely to become candidates, or in any other way except as referee, as you have now mentioned ?—ln no other way ex cept as referee. " Did you endeavour to see Mr. O'Connell after that ?—I made it a point to see him as soon as possible afterwards. " And how soon did you see him ?—The same evening. •' What communication did you make to Mr. O'Connell ? I mentioned the conversation that I had had with Mr. Ra phael, and I told him that I wished that he would follow it up, and I.mentioned the particular terms on which I authorized him to conclude the arrangement with Mr. Raphael. " Will you be so good as to state what the terms were ? The terms were those which I had proposed to Mr. Raphael, 1,0001. to be paid immediately, and 1,0001. to be paid on his return. " Arid to what purposes were those sums to be applied ? The application of those sums were to election expenses in ge neral, and the expenses arising out of the election ; the appli cation of the first one thousand pounds was, as I expressed myself to Mr. Raphael, to be to the payment of part of the ex penses then incurred for the petition that had just been de cided at the moment, and the other part towards the ensuing election expenses, the expenses arising out of the contest ; the second one thousand pounds I generally stated was to be given to the fund, which I had always mentioned to him it was ne cessary for a candidate to subscribe to, for the purpose of pro tecting the voters, and registering expenses, and the inci dental expenses attending the elections in the county. " When Mr. O'Connell was referred to, was there anything said or understood, as far as you could collect from what passed, that Mr. O'Connell was to have any thing to do with the distribution of the money ?—Certainly not. '• To whom was Mr. O'Connell to account for that money ? —He was to account to me on behalf of the Liberal Com mittee. Mr. O'Connell was but the banker in whose hands it was deposited, and to whom we were to apply as we wanted the money." He (Mr. R. Colborne) would next draw the attention of the House to the bill transaction, because the Hon. Member for Bradford had pressed hard on that subject. In Mr. Vigors's evidence, p. 117, were to be found the following facts : " I find, about the 14th of August, two bills were obtained from Mr. O'Connell, one for 2751., and the other for 399/., the one payable in sixty-one days, and the other in ninety-nine days, drawn upon a person of the name of Ayre. Do you know who got them ?—Mr. Fitzgerald got them. " Were the bills brought to you ?—They were. " Did Mr. Fitzgerald make that application by your direc tions ?----Yes, he did. " What did you direct him to apply for ?—For the balance, In fact, of the 2,0001.—0 f the whole money. " Was your application for the balance in cash or in bills? —I made no particular demand either for cash or bills. I asked 'or the balance. " Did you accept the bills for the balance for your own convenience, or for Mr. O'Connell's accommodation, or for what other reason ?—I received them with as much case and satisfaction as I should have done the cash, Mr. Fitzgerald, at the same time, mentioning to me that Mr. O'Connell had particularly desired him to say, that if I wished for cash he would send me cash Instead. I said that it was of no conse quence. " Do you mean to say that in this matter Mr. O'Connell acted entirely as your agent, or through you as agent of th e Liberal Cornmitteu r , ---Dectdedly. . " Anil In no respect except as agent of you, or through you of the Liberal Committee ?—ln no other respect. " Chairman—Are the Committee now distinctly to under stand from you that 2,000/. paid by Mr, Raphael was ex pended its the lt6gai apenges of the election, find in the de= knee of the petition ?—Every shilling of it was expended itt what I consider legal and necessary expenses, and what I am advised are legal and necessary expenses. 6' Was the 2,000/. always forthcoming when you applied for it to Mr. O'Connell,. find it'liett t . taid in bills en long (Niel was there any loss or delay attending them 7__`i he trittney WaS forthcoming the very instant it was wanted and called for, and the transaction respecting the bills did not-cause us to lose one single shilling of the money, nor was there loss to any indivi dual in consequence of those bills." He (Mr. It. Colborne) could assure the House that, if any doubt remained on the mind of the Committee on any point of those brought before them, they would not have hesitated to inculpate the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, or to drag the subject into light. They would not have suffered all the talents of the Hon. and Learned Member to screen him if lie deserved exposure ; no r would they show him more fa vourl or forbearance than thee would to the least talented man i ti o the 11 " w. He (Mr, Colborne) admitted that which the n • and Learned Gentle a had himself stated, that the !Divers he possessed in Ireland rn were too great and too dan gerous for any individual to hold ; and he belldveci that ever held such eNtruordinary powero without vs hg them"iniau: THE SUN, LONIJON, FRIDAY, APRIL 22, 18:36. ; 1 . i I'' 1i)..C.5.3 .or no country. But what gave him that power ? Prin. f apally the intemperate conduct of his opponents.—( Hear, heir.) There was one other point to which lie wished to Oti:le befOre lip should i sit oilq n- r it v9s the subject of the offer M . ,the l Barpri,etcy.„ ( It h ~peqiii. ,nifonp s l , 4; ,ii4d o rfilft a iv B,k‘Tili' q . c A iri§t hei Celliriii feel 11-IJD bi jeg thA f i,. t polti. ~,,s, ~ a , , -,, 4., to IM „, niquiry, they didliot do ill tliey , inight-4hat ,they did not, in short, do their duty. , But, he would ,ask the House to con sider for a momeßt,„apd ',tiler} ,t'f,t say wh,qher &lig ConviiiVilf; pi,i,iiie eviCtepee rhich they welt ,aisle td elitd.)ti, dtild die %r•? - niqna l i of It. ::. It was no Parliamentary offence —nothing was proved. At the worst it was no more than one gentleman who was vain enough to expect a Baronetcy, and another who was vain enough to think he could get it for him. It was a question which, as they had no data to go on, and no distinct charge to tr, , , the e f ritttittel t!ould iidt rerfere ins F or Uhise ;Caions he could not concur in the eso tifien at fil6 Hon. Member for Bradford.—[The Hon. Member concluded by moving the previous question. We understood, however, that he withdrew his motion ; but, from the noise and confu sion which Kevailed it .the moment, , we cannot b e certa i n. P. ] Lord LGV.ITON said that we garde reason which had induced the Hon. Member on the other side to come forward, influenced him in addressing the House. The subject of the inquiry came before the Committee in it two-fold shapes The first was a gfavd inquiry, afteotirig the Oliatitettir of a M em b er d thitt tiotoe, its regard to pecuniary corruption. Ile came to the inquiry with a feeling that the published documents affected the character of the Honourable and Learned Mem ber far Dublin ; and he was free to admit that when he heard the Honourable Member for Bradford acquit the Honourable and Learned Gentleman of pecuniary corrup tion he felt some degree of surprise, and entertained great doubt of the strict justice of his observations.—( Hear. ) The spirit of the question now brought before them was, whether any addition should be made to the report of the Com mittee on minor points of the case, of which addition the ob ject obviously was to bring Mr, O'Connell and others within the grasp of a penal resolution of the House.—( Hear.) As to the effect of such investigations before this House into per sonal character and political conduct, he ( Lord F. Egerton) would say—not that his own hands were not as clean as others in reference to pecuniary matters and to his Parliamentary po sition, and ail the preliminary proceedings connected there with—but he would say, that if all these were to be rendered the subject of private delation—if evidence should be syste matically sought for and found on the details of every such personal subject—he hardly knew if he might not be brought within the grasp of that House, which, after all, was, in his opinion, extremely ill-adapted to decide on such questions.— (Hear.) He thought they should be left to other and very different tribunals.—( Hear, hear.) In that House a severe scrutiny into, and condemnation of the political conduct of the Hon. Member for Dublin would perhaps be deemed only rigid justice by two hundred Members on one side, while it would be regarded as persecution by two hundred and fifty on the other. It was on these grounds of consideration and delicacy that he ( Lord F. Egerton) had not thought it desirable to embody his own personal opinions in the Report of the Committee, and perhaps it was now too late to detail them with any beneficial effect. He must, however, be permitted to declare that he had heard, with some surprise, accusations directed against his side of the House, to the effect that others, who had been more active than himself, had been guilty of very extraordinary conduct in language that filled him with astonishment. The circumstances were such that no imputation of the kind al luded to could possibly lie against them with any show of reason, and he was perfectly astonished to hear any such charge uttered as that of their having been engaged in a foul conspiracy. —( Hear.) The words were used in the news papers—(he trusted he should be corrected if he misquoted them)—"a foul conspiracy on the part of a dyinr , faction." —( Cheers and counter cheers.) He should be glad to know who were the persons who name under the denomination of " the dying faction"—(Hear)—and how the existence of the foul conspiracy was to be proved against the Tories, originating as it did in the letter of Mr. Raphael to Mr. O'Connell, request ing to be introduced to Parliament by him. He must confess he had no great regard for that individual, but still he did not think him capable of entering into a foul conspiracy with the Tories against his own party. The Hon. Member for Brad ford did not find that letter in the street.—( Hear.) He did not steal it.—( Cheers.) He could not believe that the epi thets selected, of a" dying faction" were very appropriate after all. He was not aware that the friends with which he was in the habit of acting were so low in talent or principle as to deserve to be so characterized, but whether those principles were strongly denominated Tory, or by the milder name of Conservative, he owned the name with pride.—(Cheers.) And, whether their death as a political party was near or re mote, he hoped he should proudly continue to avow principles similar to those which he did at present, and remain to the last an humble but sincere member of that faction.—( Cheers. ) It was stated in a Sunday paper that took the liberty of repor ting a speech of his ( Lord F. Egerton's) that if he spoke of that individual (Mr. Raphael) fairly, he should find it difficult to express himself in proper terms. He thought it not exactly fair that expressions uttered in an assembly, select, and at the same time secret, should be published and misrepresented in this way. What he had said was, that the Committee could not pay a worse compliment to that House than to say in the report that that Hon. Gentleman had been selected for an Irish county. He believed him to be a person strongly influ enced by a passion for spurious notoriety—a troublesome spe - cies of ambition which, in its developement, leads to much folly ; but which, in the age we live in, passes very currently under the name and stamp of patriotism—( Hear, hear)—a passion that seeks its gratification by envious efforts at colli sion with everybody that seems to stand in its way, and whose childish acts, divested as they are of common sense, only lead to the proper punishment in every such foolish attempt. In conclusion, lie must declare that he felt the motion of the Hon. Member for Bradford to be inconsistent with all the proceedings already entered into by the House and its Com mittee, and he would, therefore, give his assent to the previ ous question. Lion before the House was the motion of the Mertflier for Wells (Mr. R. Colborne), who had moved the previous ques tion, which was seconded by the Noble Lord, the Member for South Lancaster (Lord F. Egerton). , The (SPEAKER understood the Hon. Member fe Pad 17 1 .6fprt/ h had not been seconded. r Wells Mr, R. C LIJOR E gild ihdf the coyinkm expressed from Chair wasp perteedy Cq rreei. lie had sided his objections ic; tlie,tiei?Ntipris of the Hon: Merriber for Braciforci, and el , jrc inteittidn' niovink the *Won's citi,estion, when, Some mterttipthiti to en fildce; h'd tittered his in tention, and said that he should leave tlld litidsildri in' the hands of the House. Lord F. EGERTON had only expressed his intention of supporting the motion of the previous question, but he was not aware of his having seconded it. Mr: LAW distinctly heard the Hon. Member for Wells move the pfdtiokfl qiiesticni, and heard the Noble Lord second that motion. It was ndt Competent, therefore, to the Hon. Member for Wells to withdraw his motion without the consent of the House. Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the matter was now cleared Ve No question had been put except that of the Hon. Member for Bradford, and upon that question it was his (Lord J. Rus sell's) intention to move a series of resolutions, in conformity with the Report of the Committee. The Hon. Member for Bradford had said nothing in his resolutions upon the offer of a Baronetcy to Mr. Raphael, although he had dwelt much upon that part of the subject hi his speech.— (Cheers.) What had the Hon. Member stated ? Why that at a time that the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin had 9001. of Mr. Ra phael's money in his hands unaccounted for, he made Mr. Raphael an offer of services to procure him a Baronetcy..__ (Cheers.) This was the meaning which the Hon. Member wished to convey to the House, but his (Lord J. Russell's) meaning of the offer was this—that the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin was anxious to make a show of some compensation to Mr. Raphael for the expense he had been put to at the election, and to soothe him with the offer of a Baronetcy as a tribute to his vanity. If the Hon. Member did not mean to convey the insinuation, he should not have made the observations he did ; and, if he did mean it, it was most unfair and most unjust not to have • made the charge in an open and plain manner.—(Loud cheers.) He (Lord John Russell) was free to admit that the offer of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin to Mr. Raphael was extremely improper. --(Loud cheers.) But it was the ex treme of extravagant construction to say that it was a crime. No one had attempted to show that the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin had made an application to the Govern ment on the subject of his offer to Mr. Raphael, or that the Government had listened to any such proposition. This must seem rather strange to Hon. Gentlemen opposite, seeing that it was asserted, night after night, that the Government must do whatever the Hon. Member for Dublin wished.—( Cheers. ) That they must appoint Bishops and Professors—nay, even the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland—at his bidding.—( Cheers.) And yet this all-powerful, this all-influential man did not venture to ask the Government to make a Baronet of the High Sheriff of London.—( Cheers.) He could not refrain from designat ing this part of the accusation as the most trumpery and con temptible he had ever heard against any Member of that House —(Cheers)—and he wondered much that the Hon. Member for Bradford had ever thought it worth his while to introduce it. The House was now called upon to stamp the whole trans action. He did not believe that the political party op posed to his Majesty's Government had any wish, or took any part, to involve the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin in a false accusation. But he believed that their minds had been wrapped and improperly influenced by the grossest misrepre sentations—(Cheers)-,-got up by a set of dirty base creatures —(lmmense cheering froth the Ministerial benches)=—who cannot bear to witness the liberal course which the Govern ment is pursuing triumphant all over Europe—( Cheers)—who see with nothing but dissatisfaction that peace and prosperity is flourishing in every part of the United Kingdom, and that great, that mighty, and holy cause of human liberty and im provement, supported now, as it has ever been in all times, by the ablest and the best men .in every country in Europe.— ( Cheers.) The Noble Lord in conclusion proposed as an amendment a series of resolutions which were an echo of the report of the Committee. Lord STANLEY said that although he was prepared to support the motion of the Hon. Member for Wells, he was not equally prepared to support the resolutions of the Noble Lord opposite. Indeed, it would be irttpossible for him to concur in those resolutions. The whole tendency Of tite argument of the Noble Lord opposite was to support the motion of the previous question. He stated that the case had been placed altogether out of the hands of the House, when it was referred to the de. cision of a Select Committee.—(Cheers.) If the House re collected the part which he (Lord' Stanley) took in this ques tion on a former occasion, they would see that he could not well refrain from taking part in the present discussion. He was greatly surprised to hear the Noble Lord call the charge against the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin a trumpery charge.—(Cheers.) Did the Noble Lord think such a charge and such allegations made against a Member of that House, in the face of the public, a trumpery charge ? Was this the op;} nion of the first Minister of the Crown—the upholder of the purity of election—( Cheers)—the uncompromising opponent of everything that could bring the slightest taint on the consti tuency of the country, or on any individual Member of that House ? He confessed he had been also astonished to hear the Hon. Member for Dublin himself consider the charge so trivial. He should speak as freely of that Hon. and Learned Member, although absent, as if he were present. He must now declare, as an honourable man, that, with respect to the charge of personal motive, of pecuniary corruption, the evidence be fore the Committee acquitted the Hon. and Learned Gentle man.—( Hear, hear.) He could not deny that the case at first bore a very suspicious appearance, because the whole sum ap pearing to be in the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's hands, he advanced it as called for in the shape of bills. These bills, however, having been paid, on demand, without deduction of any discount, entirely altered the nature of the pecuniary pro ceeding. He could not consent that the resolutions proposed by the Noble Lord should stand alone, that the vote of the House should be limited entirely to those resolutions.— ( Cheers.) What were the facts of the case ? It appeared that, at a previous election which took place, there were four candidates, the two Members now sitting for Carlow, the pre sent Member for Tralee, and Mr. Cahil. The Member for Tralee (Mr. M. O'Connell) and Mr. Cahill failed, though supported by the Carlow Liberal Club. A letter was produced written by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Member for Dublin, promising a sum of 5001. towards defraying the ex penses of the contest, if the Members for Tralec should be re turned. A petition was presented against the return of the other two candidates, which was supported by the Liberal Club. The petition succeeded, and the two Members were unseated, but the Member for Tralee and Mr. Cahil were not seated. Sii• R. FERGUSON said that it was not his intention to cast any imputation on the Committee, but the fact was, the papers laid before it were brought to light by a conspiracy —a body of men who never left the Sheriff's house till they pos sessed themselves of his papers, and who had never seen him since ; men whose names he expected would yet be got, for the purpose of a searching investigation. He never saw a Committee more anxious to do justice. He never heard a po litical sentiment expressed in that Committee. In speaking of a conspiracy to obtain the papers he had never alluded to the Noble Lord or his party, but to a lower class of men, who, he believed in his soul, were guilty of it. After a few words from Mr. BA Env, Mr. WA RBUR.TON begged to state in what sense it was that he gave his assent to the terms of tice report. He felt that Mr. O'Connell had acted with a want of caution singu lar in a gentleman of the legal profession ; and in no other sense did he intend to convey an imputation against him. From the absence of all caution, and the perfect fairness which appeared throughout on his ink, he drew the inference he had of Mr. O'Connell's innocence. He would never have en_ tered into a written agreement if he had intended aay thing illegal. Now when the Committee had declared that the money was used in legal expenses it had declared sufficient to decide the point at issue. He thought it extraordinary that the Hon. Member for Bradford had never referred to that sec tion of the Act. Mr. M. O'CONNELL—The petition did not pray for the seats. Lord J. RUSSELL said that they had now to decide be butween the accuser and the Committee, and to declare whe ther those resolutions of grave censure he had brought for ward should be adopted, or the resolution of the Committee be confirmed. For this reason he had taken the liberty to inter rupt his lion. Friend when he was about to move the previous question; for, on so grave a subject, where the character of the Hon. Member for Dublin was at stake, and the judgment and integrity of the Committee were liable to be viewed as mat ters of doubt and uncertainty, the previous question was not a course fit for the House to adopt. He should not attempt to enter into a review of the evidence, but would place himself on this ground, that they had appointed a Committee, which bad conducted its proceedings with the greatest attention and deli beration, and which had come to the decision (as was apparent in their unanimous report and individual speeches) after very grave and mature deliberation. Such being the case, unless very strong reasons could be shown why the House should dis trust their integrity, it would evidently be most inconsistent and ungracious to renew that inquiry. He would now say what he ne ver said before on the subject—he must confess that when he first read the letter of Mr. O'Connell, and the accusation accompany . _ ing it, and compared it with the 49th Geo. 111., he thought it a charge of a very trumpery nature, founded certainly on very blameable expressions, and on conduct not conformable to Parliamentary proceedings ; but followed on almost every oc casion cf a general election by those who were not aware that they were thereby breaking the law. Feeling that it was im portant to ascertain whether anything had been done in viola tion of the Grenville Act, either by parties or by any indivi dual, he thought it his duty to acquiesce in the appointment of a Committee, because he knew that, of whatever members that Committee might be composed, they would decide, as a body of English Gentlemen, with honour and integrity, with out regard to any consideration of party.—( Cheers.) The event had entirely corresponded with his expectations. He was anxious that no heated discussion should take place at the time of the appointment of that Committee. The Committee named was allowed on all sides to be a fair Committee, com posed of gentlemen to whom the House could safely confide its Parliamentary reputation and representative responsibility. Those Hon. Gentlemen had come to one unanimous opinion. He had not heard it even asserted that there was any real or substantial difference amongst them. And yet, notwithstanding the character of the Committee, and the unanimity with which they came to their decision, the lion. Member for Bradford now came forward to set aside that decision. The Hon. Mem ber for Bradford, on the first occasion, brought forward a charge against the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin of pe cuniary corruption. The Committee had directly negatived that charge, and it remained now for the House to decide between the Hon. Member for Bradford and the Committee.—(Minis terial cheers.) It appeared by the evidence that Mr. Vigors proposed to Mr. Raphael to become a candidate for the county of Carlow. Mr. Raphael inquired what the expense would be, and w hated some definite sum to be specified. In conse quence of this wish of Mr. Raphael, if he was not mistaken, it was that Mr. Vigors mentioned the definite sum of 2,000!., and left to the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin the completion of the arrangement. In consequence of th is the Hon. and Lear ne d Member for Dublin became involved in the affair in a manner for ;11ich he richly deserved censure. — (Cheers.) Mitigated censure.—( Immense cheers from the Opposition.) Th e C omm itt e e had said in their report tha t the transaction was at first liable to suspicion, and therefor e he said that the lion. and Learned Member merited some cen sure; but how it could be endeavoured to fix a crime noon m- O'Connell, founded upon such a ' to comprehend --go t ue was quite at a loss Igo was the Oat° of the ease, and he called i upon the use, upon mature COriSidergi9ll Of it, tc agree 1 to the report qf the Committee. C. I,y. wv-NN rose to order, and said that the ques. Lord STANLEY—Be that as it might the petition sue cceded, and the other two candidates were unseated; but who found the funds--(Cheers)—to defray the expenses of the pe tition? It was now admitted that the person who was said to have contributed the money was a fictitious character. Mr. Vigors admitted that the person named did not bear the ex penses. A new election took place. Who bore the expenses of this contest? Colonel Vigors and the Carlow Club. ;The funds of the Club were now nearly exhausted. It became ne cessary, therefore, to look out for a man who was rich—who was willing—who was generous enough to pay not mere ly th e expenses o the contest, but to pay double the expenses; and, after paying every one of them, to leave a large surplus.— ( Loud cheering.) One ready enough and rich enough to be the tool of any person who might be disposed to employ him.—( Hear.) The county of Carlow was sold for 2,0001. ( Cheers.) That is a fact.—( Cheers.) Colonel Vigors said that the expense of one contest was only 4001., of another including6ool., and that a third, including all expenses, not cost more than 8001.—(Hear, hear.) What was the contract with Mr. Raphael? Why, 1,000/. merely for being named, and 1,000/. more on his return.—(Loud cheers.) He was now speaking on what appeared in evidence, and not upon the authority of the letter written by the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin.--( Hear.) It was a corrupt contract, with a contingent purity— (Cheers)—and was the House now to be called upon to express their opinion upon such a transac tion without further consideration, and without further inquiry into all the circumstances of the case ? hi reference to the course proposed by his Noble Friend, he should prefer affirm ing the resolutions of the Hon. Member for Bradford. The first and second resolutions proposed by him were facts ; but as to the fourth resolution, which declared the conduct of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin to come under the 49th of George I I 1., he doubted very much whether that statute ap plied to the case. There was another reason why he could not concur in all the resolutions of the Member for Bradford, and th e reason was th i s, that when upon a former occasion, he brought this subject under th e cons id erat i on o f t h e House, i t was fully competent to him to rest his case on the 49th of George 111., but he neglected to do so. It was even now competent to any person to prosecute the question by infor mation. Referring, however, to the inquiry which took place before a Committee, to the report of that Committee, he mu st say, not from any personal feeling of favour towards the Member for Dublin, that it would not be fair now to institute ILsecond and a new proceeding agai ns t hi m .—( H e ar, hear.) When, however, he was called upon to justify the whole con duct of Colonel'. Vie - ors, of Mr. Cahill, of all the agents in the transaction, and of the Carlow Liberal Clab, he must say, na y. When required to go beyond the case of the Hon. Member for Dublin he must have something further to rest upon (Cheers,) than the very concise finding of the Committee.— He would put it to the Hon. Members opposite, to those who were such strenuous advocates for freedom and purity of election, what must be the effect upon the country if it should appear that a Reformed House of Commons ac quiesced in the legality of such proceedings as took place at Carlow ?_( Cheers.) It was easy to conceive certain cases, indeed they might occur every day, in which a person wishing fur a seat in Parliament, but not able nor willing to incur heavy expense, and wishing to limit it to a certain amount, might say to one whom he supposed to have influence, I am willing to expend two thousand pounds in the contest, but I cannot go further. Here he saw nothing that might not occur every day, It would not be illegal, provided the money should be The Carlow case dif fered in a legal way. from this because in that case there was a contract to pay a certain sum of mone down, and if any surplus remained after deductingexpenses the of the election , it w as to go to another purpose. Here was a case, as he before said, of cor rupt contract and contincrent purity.— ( Loud cheers.) A ... c , ne l had on ce come before that House in whir o« ;« that the act of tillable at all to be justified 0n . 1 . y by some extraordinary nc ' edgy.: dad it pleased the Noble Lord and the House to leave the hieVeV es it a/ood id the reptift of the Committee he should have acquielt,e'd Motion of the previoue question, and he was still ready to cid liS tit if he sbould fie, driven to choose between the original resoltiiPni dal. the ardendment proposed by the Noble Lord, he should pftdief stating for the affirmation of a fact to the expression of a partial jaitiOt • Lord J. RUSSELL said a few words in explanatiod, het they were riot audible where we sat. Mr. 4ergcant WILDE having been appointed by the House nominee hi this case, hoped the House would permit hint to say a few words. He paid great attention to the deliatte' throughout, and particularly to the Noble Lord who spoke last, He must say that, considering the station held by the Noble Lord Id the House and in the country, he could not help feeling some atteerishment at his speech, Did he entertain the same opinion as thane expressed by the Noble Lord, so far from being content with the previous question he would most earnestly seek for the f u ll es t i nquiry. Govern ment, under the circumstances, had the right ; it was, in fact, their imperative duty—to call for the decision of the House. Ile never heard any reasoning less justified by the facts which came cant upon the inquiry than that of the Noble Lord who spoke 140. The Member for Dublin ought to rejoice at the investigatiela which took place. He would state shortly what his vies' of the case was, and he felt confident that he would not be controdicted by his Hon. and Learned Friend opposite (Sir F. Polled) who acted as nominee on the other side. So far as a charge of corruption had re sulted from the evidence, or could be grounded on it, the Noble Lord (J. Russell) was perfectly justified in calling it a trumpery charge. Previously to the emotion of 1834 it did not appear that there was any acquaintance or intercourse between Mr. Raphael and Mr. O'Connell. But .Mr. Raphael had some previous knowledge of Carlow. He had cusinmuni cation with a Mr. Tyrrell on the subject of the prospect There might be of his being returned for Carlow. The whole of the negotiation proceeed on the supposition that Mr. Raphael was a fit and proper person to represent the county of Carlow, and, having made this observation, he (Mr. Sergeant Wilde) could not help noticing one fallacy which had crept into the case, and done his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for Dublin a positive injustice. His Hon. and Learned Friend was at this period wholly ignorant of Mr. Raphael's character, neither had his Hon. and Learned Friend any reason to suppose that Mr. Raphael could be guilty of such conduct as he had afterwards manifested, and, therefore, unless he (Mr. Ser geant Wilde) greatly erred, his Hon. and Learned Friend was not open to the least censure or imputation for having recommended Mr. Raphael to the attention of the electors of Carlow.—(Cries of " Hear, hear," from the Ministerial side of the House, responded to by ironical cheers from the Opposition benches.) Mr. Raphael had been repre sented to Mr. O'Connell as a Roman Catholic, and as a per son who professed ultra-Liberal opinions, who entertained a deep sense of the injustice which it was supposed had been done to Ireland, but although he agreed with Mr. O'Con nell's political sentiments generally speaking, Mr. Raphael, when questioned upon the subject, did not hesitate to avow that he differed from Mr. O'Connell on the subject of the repeal of the Union. This proved that, in recommending Mr. Raphael, Mr. O'Connell was actuated by no unworthy motive. —( Hear, hear.) As Mr. Raphael was a Roman Catholic he was naturally considered a fit person to represent the county, for then his character was then untainted, and he had not manifested the disposition which he had subsequently evinced, with the exception that Mr. Tyrell warned Mr. O'Connell to take care to give him no advantage in pecu niary matters. In the letter written by the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin to Mr. Raphael there was really nothing which furnished the least ground for complaint. The amount of the expense was there explicitly stated, and it did not con tain a syllable from whom it could be even suggested that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was to receiveamy benefit from the distribution of the money.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") Mr. Raphael, then, was presented to Mr. O'Connell's notice by two parties : but before that Mr. Raphael had been prose cuting his negotiations with Mr. Vigors, andsit was finally de termined that if Mr. Raphael would undertake to expend a sum of 2,0001. on the election, Mr. O'Connell would give him his support. In 1835, in January, the election took place in the county of Carlow. Mr. Raphael was ;to have gone over there, but he did not go ; and, being unprovided with candi dates, the Hon. Member for Tralee and a Mr. Cahill were put in nomination by the Liberal party. The Conservatives, however, were successful, and as there was no expectation that either the Hon. Member for Tralee or Mr. Cahill would stand again, it became necessary to look out for other candidates. All this showed that Mr. Raphael was not a stranger to the county of Carlow; but if a case for censure were wanted they need look no further for it than at the proceedings of the election before the last. Such then was the position to which they found themselves reduced, that the electors were them selves compelled to petition against the return of the success ful candidates. Their funds, however, were low—they were, in short, poor; and at their request Mr. Vigors caused a peti tion on their behalf to be presented. He (Mr. Sergeant Wilde) should now call the attention of the House to an omis sio in the statement of the Noble Lord, who passed over altogen . :P r without notice what took place after the pre sentation ors this petition. As soon as the petiti on h a d been. presented , - . hat bad been done ? Why, M r . R ap h ae l had been applied to, S and asked if he would come f orwar d to the aid of the petition:rst who, it was said, were sure of success. To this application what was Mr. Raph ae l' s reply ? Why, that he did not ke an uncertainty ; b u t objection to the ex pense,oturn is insured." added, " If you succeed I shall have nt: whatever it may be, provided my On this understanding, then, the petition was subsequently prosecuted, and Mr. Vigors declared that he 1 0111 d not have gone on with it, if he had not been satisfied that Mr. Raphael would defray the whole of the expenst.g to be incurred by it. Now, was there anything either I unjust or illegal in all this ? He asserted that there was not.— ( Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches, and ironical cheers from the Opposition benches.) The great peculiarity in the present case was, that every step which had been taken was in writing, and that being so he (Sergeant Wilde) begged to ask the House whether the country would look with alarm or think the freedom of election had been violated merely because the surplus of the money stipulated to be paid by Mr. Raphael, if any surplus should remain, was to be applied in reimbursing an individual for the money which he had expended in successfully prosecuting the petition, and thereby vindicating the rights of the electors ? Every one knew that Mr. O'Connell possessed great influence over the elections in Ireland, and it was not, therefore, a matter of surprise that he should be found aiding persons who concurred with him in political opi nions, without the imputation of being actuated by sordid motives. His Hon. and Learned Friend was influenced by much higher considerations than pecuniary advantages, be cause his object was to extend and strengthen the influ ence over his countrymen which he now possessed. But it had been suggested that Mr. O'Connell had not re garded principle in his conduct in this affair. The Noble Lord, however, admitted that this supposition was unfounded, because it was plain from the letters themselves, that whatever he heard from the one party lie communicated to the other without reserve, and as soon as it occurred. Now if the No ble Lord bad any taste for prosecutions it was open to him to institute proceedings in the present case if lie thought pro per, but even if he should, did he think it was likely that such a case would stand for a single moment in a Court of Jus tice ? The whole amount of the charge was, that if any !an noy should be left out of the 2,0001., after defraying the ex penses of the election, that money should be paid in discharge of the expences incurred in the prosecution of the petition. But what colour did that give for calling this a guilty transac tion? Members on each side of the House had marshalled themselves at each side as if this were an occasion of great mo ment to the country ; but if they were to take away the moral corruption from the charge, what, he asked, would become of the accusation against the Hon. Member for Dublin ? Why, it would become a mere technical charge, without the least imputation approaching to turpitude. He had al ays felt embarrassed when the subject of the ballot came under consideration ; but all h e could say was, that if poor electors were not to be protected, the sooner they had the ballot the better. Was purity and freedom of election, he would ask. to be obtained only by punishment of those who protected the voter in the independent exercise of his franchise ? He thought that the electors ought to be protected, and that there could be nothing illegal in adopting measures by which they would be preserved from ruin for following the dictates of their conscience. Throughout the whole transaction there was not the slightest ground for the pretence that any indivi dual had received money for any corrupt motive, or that any such objects were intended to be effected as were alleged on the other side. The utmost that these facts proved was, that the tenant was allowed to know that if he was distrained on in consequence of having given his vote against his landlord, and according to his conscience, he would not be left to be over whelmed by ruin, but would receive some relief.—( Hear. ) But then it was said that they had not gone far enough into the inquiry, for that Mr. O'Connell had offered Mr. Raphael a Baronetcy when he found that he was likely to lose his seat. This was a totally separate and distinct charge from the other, and he ( Mr. Sergeant Wilde) had accordingly felt consider able delicacy in treating it when before the Committee. It did appear to him that the question of the offer of the Baronetcy did not properly belong to the inquiry ; but he put Mr. O'Con nell into the witness-box, in the hope that somebody else would fall into the trap, and ask him the necessary questions on the subject.—(A laugh.) No one, however, did so. His Learned Friend probably thought, as he himself did, that the question of the Baronetcy formed properly no part of the inquiry. Again : Mr. O'Connell being himself a professional man—and professional men generally made the worst clients, because they always wished to manage their own ease—desired to comply with the request of my Learned Friend, when he thought pro per Sir o ask F. p f o o r L ALr o . c O ' K t nin asked ell' s banking ttla t w b as oo t k he state oP the ac count at the particular moment not for the banking book. Mr. Sergeant WILDE acquiesced in the correction of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. What course did he (Mr. Sergeant Wilde) adopt when this request was made? Why, he submitted to the Committee that, in the then state of Plc inquiry, the production of the a ccount was not n ecessary , t h e i ge said,beenthatif,in pai d throu g h another party ; but at the samem one y hat time Committ ee s h ou ld t hi n k t h e the subseque n t course o f t h e production o f i t proceedings, any member of the Mr. O'Connell, r , ie would w i t hd raw hi s o bj ect i on . however, ov Wilde s) mod e of p roceeding, acrird. y necessa hi to be hand e d over • ru w i l e s d h edh s t h e ( A b l a r 'n k i S ng erg h e o a o n k t immediately to the L earne d Counsel on the oth er s id e, and it was accordingly delivered up, sealed; k " . thn lion. and Learned Gentleman did not subsequently to not air thisect the -;;iliTal not ha v i ng the indivi4 been.;oll;;;reaieTeould d Sri WIXOM Car, th e et yet ex of t .. lh, for vv n a nt of . t 4 lurpius fag unseated there bolo; ?I er: Was nnclled t tienrieitth-neene,esss:riLtorronmall. for its being pr0ue%.,,,0c0 to Pressed i94ktieZ ob i j i We4 to 'hi, g 9 to the ford ;very fa,ciiity itt f tbe for aNciay vv oat, a fter a.., ibe fliOuhiv.l.ilinari 'on }l ion . ;;P: 13 , 44 1 , ex..! subinit all to w . c.aro!rt • • ation —( Hear.) ° Bradford ? He , sod , i ft tit e . alue andleenllo t sion clubs.} was' realfy the Tozlon of the , n gerober or 431);r 0 7 3 :1 Y 1r 6 . Y vd a , readintss the 11t"4"'6 hdr 4c.ther:i •„ wh y , li e called on the tionse to v. 0.0 the conduct of thenp ^,:.~ _. parties, on the occasion referred to, a breach of and deserving_ of that punishment which, by an express Yes ilutioitk. of that House, is awarded r f b ribecy to persons .ohn. guilty o and corrupt trafficking in the representatiogl Pt9A 3 ) 3 ,h s go, said tha electors wished to sell their borough. ZOVI To whom? They had requested the individual in question, Months and months before, to become their representative, and the proposition made was, that the surplus money, over and ahem° the actual expense of the election, should be applied for the Air purposes of that election. Here, then, were no such prac tices as those denounced by the resolution of the House against bribery. The report of the Committee totally acquitted Mr. O'Connell from the charge of personally corrupt motives, and stated the belief of the Committee, that the whole of the expenses had been legal; yet the House was now called upon to come to a resolution, the effect of which would be, if followed up, to send parties to Newgate who had been guilty of no corrupt practices. If Ilonourable Mem.. bers opposite expected the House to send Messrs. O'Con nell and Vigors to Newgate, he (Mr. Sergeant Wilde) would be glad to know which of the virtues of Mr. Raphael it was that was to save him from the same fate ?—( Hear, hear.) Me. Raphael and his attorney were parties to the contract, and, under the terms of the Act of Parliament, not the least guilty parties; yet they were, it seemed, to be exempted from those consequences which it was sought to attach to the other parties to the transaction.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. and Learned Member concluded amid much cheering by apolo gising for having so long trespassed on the attention of the House. The cries of "Adjourn" (it was nearly half-past one) now lemma loud an d genera l, an d Colonel CO NO LL Y moved the adjournment of the debate until to-morrow (this day.) The debate was adjourned accordingly. The other Widen of the Day were then disposed of, mild House adjourned at half-past one. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION. DUBLIN STEAM PACKET COMPANY BILL. From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.) TUESDAY, - APRIL 18. Motion made, and Question proposed—" That the Bill be now read a third time • "—Amendment proposed, to leave out the word " now," and at the end of the Question to add the words " upon this day six months :"—c4uestion put, " That the word ' now ' stand part of the Question :—The uouse divided— Aglionby, H. A... Ainsworth, Peter Attwood, M. MINORITY—AYES, Heathcote, G. J. Hope, H. 1. Hoy, J. B. Hume, Joseph Humph ery, J. Jervis, J. Johnstone, Sir J. V. Kemp, T. R. Kiv a ,.7, B. Labouchere, Lambton, H.' Leader, J. T. Lennox, Lord G. Lennox, Lord A. Lewis, D. Loch, J. Lynch, A. H. Mackinnon, W. A. M'Leod, B. M'Namara, W. Martin, J. Mathew, Capt. Methuen, 1.. hlorpeth, Viscount Morrison, J. Mostyn, E. Nagle, Sir It. O'Brien, C. O'Brien, W. S. O'Connell, D. O'Connell, J. O'Connell, Morgan O'Ferrall, R. M. O'Loghlen, Sergeant ()ssulston, Lord Owen, H. Paget, F. Parrott, J. Patten, Wilson Pechell, G. R. Pelham, C. A. W. 120. IPerceval. Colonel Potter, R. Poulter, J. S. Power, James Ranisbotton, J. Meilards, John ltippon, C. Robinson, G. It. Roche, W. Roebuck, J. A. Russell, Lord Charles Sandsn, Lord , Scarlett, Hon. It. Scott, J. W. slcourfield, W. H. Sci'ope, G. P. s e wour, Lord Shell. m, E. Smith, A. Smith, B. Stanley, E. J. Stanley, Lord Stuart, Villiers Thompson, T. P. Thomson, C. P. Thornely, T. Trelawney, Sir W. i Turner, W. Vesey, Hon. Thomas Vyvyan, Sir R. Walker, IL Wall, B. Warburton, H. Ward, H. G. White, S. IWilliams, W. Williams, Sir J. Winnington, Sir T. Attwood, T. Bagshaw, John Baines, E Barnard, E. G. Becket, Sir John Hewes, T. Biddulph, R. M. Nish, T. tilackburne. J. . Bonham, Fiancis R. Brabazon, Sir W. Brodie, W. 11. Brotherton, J. Prownrigg, J. S. Buidon, W. W. Butler, Hon. P. S. Buxton, I'. F. Cave, I itway Cavendish, Hon. G. Chichester, J. P. B. Collier, John Crawford W. S. Divett, E. Duna:[/the, T. S. Eastnor, Viscount Egerton, Lord Fran. Elphinstone, H. Evans, G. Fellowes, Hon. N. Fitzgibbon, Hon. It. Folkes, Sir W. Forster, C. French, F. Gaskell, D. Gore, W. 0. Goulburn, Mr. Serjt. Graham, Sir J. It. G Grote, G. Hawes, B. TELLERS. O'Connell, Maur ice Clements, Lord Agnew, Sir A. Alford, Lord Alsager, Richard' Angerstein, John Anson, Sir G. Arbuthnot, Hon. H. krchdall, General Bailley, Joseph Barclay, C. Baring, F. Ilcauclerk, Major Bell, M. Beresford, Sir J. Berkeley, Granville Blackstone, W. S. Blunt, Sir C. Boldero, Henry G. Bowring, Dr. Bradshaw, James Bramston, T. W. Brocklehurst, J. Bruce, Lord E. Buller, Sir J. Y. Burrell, Sir C. Byng, George Caleraft, J. H. Chandos, Marquis of Chaplin, T. Chapman, A. Chetwynd, Captain Chichester, A. Cl .yton, Sir W. Clerk, Sir G. Clive, Robert Codrington, C. W. Colborne, N. W. It. Corbett, T. G. Crawford, W. Cripps, J. Darlington, Earl of Dowdeswell, W. E. Duffield, T. D. Dogdale, W. S. Duneombe, %V. rhocointie, A. Dunci.:s, J. C. Dundas, T. Eaton, F.lley, Sir J. Entwistle, John Ewart, W. Feilden, W. Fergus, John Ferguson, Sir R. A. Fergusson, It. C. Ficldcn, J. Finch, G. Fleming. J. Foley, E. T. JORITY—NOES, 1 Forbes, W. Port, John Fremantle, Sir T. Freshfield. J. W. Gillon, W. D. “isborne, T. Gladstone, T. Gladstone, W. Goodricke, F. L. H. Gordon, Hon. W. Goring, H. D. Grant, F. W. Greislcy, Sir It. Grimston, Hon. E. Hale, Robert B. Ha!Forel, H. Hamilton, Lord C. Hanmer, Sir J. Hardy, J. Harland, W. Hastie, A. Hay, Sir J. Hay, Sir A. L. Henniker, Lord Hope, Hon. J. Horsman, E. Hotham, Lord Houldswortb, T. Hurst, R. H. Ingham, Robert Jackson, Serjeant Jones, Wilson Jones, T. Johnstone, A. Kerrison, Sir E, Langton, Col. G. Law, Hon C. Lawson, A. Lee , John F. Lewis, W Lister, E. C. Long, W. Lowther, H. C. Lr,•irther, J. H. Lusujogton, S. It Lygon, Colonel Macken2.ie, J. A. S. M.Tavart, John Maiideville, Vise. Mangles, J. Marsland, T. Manic, Hon. Fog Maunsell, T. P. Maxwell, J. Miles, W. Miles, P. J. Miller, W. 11. Mordaunt, Sir J. Mosley, Sir O. Murray, J. A. Nicholl, J. North, F. Oliphant, L. Oswald, J, Packe, C. W. Parker, M. Parnell, Sir H. Pease, Joseph Phillips, Mark Plumptre, J. P. Polhill, Frederick Powell, J. Praed, J. B. Price, Samuel Grave Pringle, A. Bickford, %V. Ridley, Sir M. W. Sanderson, K. Scott, Sir E. D. Sharpe, General Sheppard, T. Sibthorp, Colonel Sinclair, Sir G. Somerset, Lord G. Steuart, It. Stewart, Sir M. S. Stewart, P. M. Surrey, Earl of Talf,urd, T. Noon Tancred, H. W. Tennent, Emerson Tooke, W. Trevor, A. Trevor, lion. G. It. Troubridge, Sir T. Tulk, C. A. Tyrrell, Sir J. Vere, Sir C. h. Wallace, It. Walpole, Lord NN alter, .1, NVasoll, It. Welby, G E. Weniyas Capt. Weyland, Major R. NVhitmore, T. C. Wilde, Thomas Wi hams, It. Williamson, Sir H. Wilmot, Sir Eardley Wodeli °use, lion. E Yorke, E. T. Young, G. F. young, Sir W. 1.. TELLERS. Canfubell, Sir John liruee, C. L. C. CORONER'S INQUEST. SUICIDE OF MD. It. SEYMOUR, THE CARICATURIST. Yesterday afternoon an Inquisition was taken before Mr. STIRLING, at the King's Arms, in the Liverpool-road, Isling ton, on view of the body of Mr. Robert Seymour, aged 3V, the eminent caricaturist, who shot himself through the heart. Mr. J. Mason, butcher, 19, Anson-place, Islington, about seven o'clock on Wednesday morning, was passing No. 16, Park-place West. Islington, when a person of the name of Cane called him in. He was much agitated, upon which wit ness asked if there were thieves in the hOuse. Witness went with him to the summer-house at the end of the garden, where he saw the deceased lying on the ground, with a ramrod at his feet. There was a wound on the left side, parallel to the heart. At that moment Mrs. Seymour, alarmed by her sec vant, came down from her room, exclaiming " Good God; what is the matter?" She tried to force her way into the gar dea, but was prevented by witness. Mr. William Burrows, No. 1, Park-street, surgeon, saw the deceased soon after seven o'clock on Wednesday morning. Witness found him in the garden dead. He has since examined the body, and found the heart torn to pieces, occasioned by a bullet, which had passed through. There were three pieces of ribs in the heart. Elizabeth Kingsbury, servant to the deceased, on Tuesday n'ght between 10 and 11 o'clock, saw the deceased in the par lour in company with Mrs. Seymour. Witness got up about 6 o'clock the next morning. She had previously- heard him in the passage, but as it was not uncommon for him to be up so early, she paid no particular attention. She took a walk round the garden, when behind the summer-house she dis covered him lying amidst a pool of blood quite motionless. She immediately ran to the street-door and alarmed some per sons, who came to her assistance. ( Witness here produced th.: paper found by Mr. Mason.) The letter, which was written in pencil, was read by Mr. Bell, clerk to the coroner, and was as follows : " Best and dearest of Wives, for the best of wives have you been to me. Blame, I charge you, no one. It is my own weakness and infirmity. I do not think any one has been a malicious enemy to me. I have never done a crime my country's laws punish with death ; yet I die. My life it ends; I hope my Creator will grant me peace in death, which I prayed so for in vain when living." (No signature.) The servant added, that he was the kindest of masters. The gun belonged to her master. M. Mead (who was able to speak to the deceased's state of mind,) stated that the deceased was of the most nervous con stitution, and his irritability could be excited upon the most trivious occasions. He has seen him in such a state tear his hair and beat his breast, and threaten his existence, being in a state almost of madness. Ten years ago, he attempted to destroy himself, and on two occasions since lie has also made a,,::empts, in witness's opinion, from this cause ; and, as his mind was constantly on the stretch to produce new ideas and subjects, in an unguarded mom ent committed the act. In general 0 ,--ing to the incessant demand upon h is invention, he being never at .'est, was most temperate.' Mr. James Hemott, or Lfe there was not a more amiable mail. He st , Latterly I e was he had known the deceased tw:nty ,ye.aers..wev; His r, mind was g's tha ( t '''r h o e sis, co s u a l id d udley- rect Kin very low in spirits, and observed th.,• I emporary gone,not l through h a s i h n e te h n a s d e suchappl application. Insanity." Several friends of the deceased were present. i a • t lt t i lie ß F u :g rt y L pt t i N an t t ;t hH i e •o alla N l:e A pfi ß rice ccaAniDiltlhEye., managing the s t t l i i m e subscri ptionsalready b_ Yu F ; r e , e A ti i n '; -I for the relief of the sufferers by receive.. ---. of Atltiea Comm itt , e ri e c, ap it po:: , i a t s ed st f a o te r d m t a h n a a t g Burlington An,...yF•elsitleErZr, 0.8851. Most of s cribed amounted to ...,the sufferers whose hint were not to a lar g e az i L ulu, have been paid in f u ll, and m ost of the rest in part. It was st,,:ted by th e H on , F, Bynr , that the magnitude of Mr. Yates's 1055..... s had' at first induc;il that gentleman to abstain from makinc , a yhtim ; but as It seemed there would be a suplus after the il utterly necessitous had been relieved, he thought m Y a tes lA to the . r. ates justly mita c favourable Cnsideraton of the Committee. Th e Chairman nr. k;nurenwarclen Tu:ner) observed, that a distinct cora -1 • • but still his case wit.* liad 1r er k cgruled t t ,' a ssist Mr. i Ya r tes , , art. It was then was 4o§aTying tlfr every ;mem I rtes should sthoeuildibe taken into con- T"4 ° l ase Qf A ' r. olltim. were disposed of, when iigeration a ! teF ad the minor, be determined by the surplus the relief to 14! 42110 11'9'1!q n . in hs,nd7 .0 itY% ,erg► you ro te to,