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ro . ry. the ;.i )i . ~. I j ' r G I mi.!,,,0 t endanger theC;ttntry , and ttxse it to hos. , , '-.:,.. , ./ ..iiy, 'the recuerence df Which t s hall deplore as cleq)ly 'as, any indivTioal in this figirre, occasion:. the Motio n .. is tippo•ed, I shall not 'have Otcasion. to trouble the, Committee' any : lut titer." , ' • ~ . Mr. DENT thought the rinher:nolv proposed . ' , too tin'all. Lie iiim,ii led the eire t t which the present ~ . '• cours e of Pititc - All• ii'rs . had, ritrl s 6l3riC tred i t, Ten ;,--, per cont.-loss, on•aEtidden, tiy4ts ,, a a griei:ous . thing,. to , the Stock Hohler.- 1-1 e th'4ght; ihat the 01,0- : CELI,OR of the - i;CHEQUER, ,is lien he .laid before :,. the House his fl,,urishing Stiiie ( - _ , I our' Finitnee; ~• vici t f,, , ,t, ;)a t ;l e f i o peilv:ol . to tell 'u;, ihiir it was probable that such 11 tdrn"as . the, present would tale 'OlaCe i . i sq) ,, o, and then, iltliOtigh the: Pubfl6 . jsVos,ultt 'have been less elevated .at chat tinie, tliey wOurd . have lh-eli 1. - .,s disa l p.oino , .d nnsi..; ard; 'olcuufse, 'better Preptell to meet their condition ; but he was . satis. feed of the necessity of beps, properly prepatcd. He ,:, • thought th e present`Vote . in atiequate to that end,, ~:''.. , and therefore he should mve, that instead of - 10,0cm o , , - ' there should be 25, 00 0 Men voted for this Service. '''.'•:. ' Mr. F . (..)';,k's, , id, i.e wishd eto trouble the House . s'vith a levy words, . and . they .slitnilthe bur.a 'few. ~, lie Nnctived i t to b e a question of a coo4itotional ..' Pouter', its to the manner. in which thisAiore was discussed.' .7:le coold'noti hOvveveWleel.a. little stir, l'riAd, that. a ,Friend near him had lamented there ;4 '"li been any discussion on the Address, on a fin.iner eccoion. He hint;;elf begait the distussion. 4 le could ri.o. blame himself for having-done so, not was there auy thi n z soiii,, upon that ocensinn; -that 7ilr ii .7,- , • . 1 In the least degree to be lamented. Upon the ques -14)11 nOW bffore the Committee, he confessetV , he . .. had st),nc doubts. His ntii',;l etas ready to vote .ttiti, present as well as any other nuralivir •of Seamt-ti. He "ins as ready to' ture,one number ;is another, anti . their wt 4 the very ; Thing that tqa . tle'Lii - u : t;iooht, ht cause he thou g ht the House war* eaffed -upon to vote in the dark ; thit they had nii'lp-,let - fiasOns for . voting 10,000, than for votinglo,Qoo, or 1,0Q,009. ‘' ri" ')bjeetionv• 4110W,e vet, - was . 4.)f. a :42onstitutioual statu r e, for he thonglit that by thilcaurse _they were called upon to renounce the w hriie of their duty to their Constittterti, andlAb gi'Ve ittiliitiiireti •c•li . ole dente to the K;ng's gitilkets, It iVaS . Sii . dittlottbr. ea Pts'-togative„ot His Majesty,_ to rnakeTeoOt. or • * W" ---1 ?e agreed o ill) his . H .11. Friend, Mr. r.R AN'- •, • Cis, .91)0r1 t the ; , .til,. ; , , et of , interference o f f i Jrlt.'nu. - fit it) tl‘c!=!: 44hjccts, for that we were !;-otittfi by the '''• , A• is .o.i . o:,vernment; as a Party is bound by the set ,if his. A ge, ! t, and th,st the only security the Pubi:c h. , a ui:s in the re•Poosibility ~i Ministers ; but this w 4., like every tl.ingel ,, e cat loun in Consti. ? unions, it had its imperfections, which to;old nett be, remedied, paliaps, witilOtlt introductoggteater evils, '' uPtITI the; colisto toional. pinciple, that ills M jt.. , . y t V i le tile! wed or ill ;:avised, cotkld ruitt.his ,Peopte,by ! , :rins , I Pe,,fc.,-. o k . W.. 11., 'I: here seas s.: 0 :.n,u . 11 t it w a, :I P(...yergratittql to I lie crown, and which, it abused, ' . 'tyas cap7ible of. 'throwing a tvhole ..P, - :ople _ittt,t a . ' Stale at' great dop,,g(ir ; but that was an incon vemencc % ,, 1 , 1 „1, ,iv„ey o wsj 1 ) e. cApthed to, since 2 ,0 much power collti not i:e ,r.) loll i -,1 l ny_where t.- r. ... With tln s.ititeA vrce ot.sliety., gut it should be. re_ .if :-. vr ,,.,,,,i ) ,-i e sd, t h. ! ,L'itlir.:,Spet la War, thiSpower iodic. . ~ r'iv , ereig n ,l if tnt- t',.:o i ,ie had no i cheek 'Upon it, might annihilate every priociple by •0: hich their prop( rty 'W;.s .ccured, and give up almost their civil tiger t , xt:,tetice,, it thetetfifiAlipte ts'i6 this i:ower - lye" to any Sovere ign who may he illfadVis.ed, and surd; the lkistory of th•sCOuntry tliett,sjich . a " may he,- I ;!' ,, s clot : ashore possibi f lity,, Li) involve a. ivWole people in a ‘Wr, the necessitv•of whielx ihey"liiid . ,.no rneanS of considering, and by, ‘‘,..iiith great part; perhaps ii -:, ie whole co their property was lost, art'.their I ,i,vec, 'dependin g on ly on, their own i coutio 4 e, there should be some cheek soniew here in . the, ha t i,ls of the People, aus.i.so there wits in England, bur' that was a check which was felt in ii railice, al:liough it had in tlr . ory n o exisietace, for Ili~ \ , !.,j,:•,sty Lad th t 1 e 11.. ' - boun ed right ' of either making War, by which his ,people might be detroyed, or Peace, ,by iv hiCh they migh t be' enslaved— but in Engianti f ..there. was a cht.-Lk on the Prince who might bethusili-advised. IN hat was tib, check,? it Was the ,power of with,. ;means holding the of carrying on destrotiiv , e pro. jests ; that was the privilege of Par.liatnenf ; and tha t was effectually done by with.liatfing,the ptifst --and that made the Houses of .Parliament so Inf. . portant to this CednitrY, for, aitho' they have neither . prerogative of Peace or'War, nor constitutionally, Influence over PeaCe'or 'War,let,W the prattiol ef.- ..:, 1 :, feet of the disposal of money by the Ferukative of , the purse, they had " a Vero coti6derableCheck on the .., . condat of War or the maintenance of Peace : . both Houses. had Oils power, but now More einphatically the 1 - Ipuse Of Commons.. Hence had arisen ihene. eessity fdr the King, when His Majesty - had acca. sio n to ' g o to War, or to continu e at War, o f c om iii to his Parliament, arid . of -staring • the grotinas on which he entered iti?o; orycoininut.d tJie War, and ~. Parliame nt had an opportunity of cOnsitiering• Such ~ reasons before thergranted the SUpplieS necessary for such War ; anti this was riot an imaginary advan. ,'. take ; there were manor instances in the history of this Country in which the Par:iament had corn. polled the I ) rinie to give' pp his projel, when the prosecution , of it' was' telt to be injurious to his. Subje4is. The ilefelition of the . Atne.. bean War was something of this nature ; hut the eleteliBion of the . Var with 'the Dutch, by. Charles the Second, was entirely . owing to the check of Parliament. Hriw 'waisllfig check to be employed, or 1,,,y was t h e necessity of it to be judged of ?.- 'By 1715116 r tirttliffiiiiiiciiirfa without" it no judgment could,. be formed, liosystoodthe case at present ? t he'night Hon. Gentleman opposite to him, not only ~k n ew M . point a pratclice,' it was usual to give the PM l sg-itliofmat io rt ,'bUi: tic i n e tivaigi v en at present ;bur , if he saw sufficient cause to arm, armament should. . flitie—freFeTer—initi 14 . i rtisied had preceded this application. For what purpose then wasthisappli. cation maderiii:this Morin to the. House, by way of mekuigejtom His M..jesty ? I.(was for the pur. ‘ pose of making the Honse a party to the War :. " in4 . ,hat sense :of the niatter he could not help . c?b.. serving,. it was colter hard to 'make the.House:4 Party to a Matter at Mliell ii bad rt.)lnfOitllatton ; nor were there aoY..i;ood precede'nts for it. He • I<ii4 W: : llWrelWas a - tecent one howe Vet., that of the Russian Armament ; but - there •Ntas- nothing . innr ktlititit - th at ' business that reeoihrninded - it - as- a I . lt r ,...eiden t , ' or It - latter worthy Of ' - iini - tatiOn. 'Hi ' ° P°4. the liOuse ',had not foigotten that it . might by possibility leave an independent opinion, And not that species of 'docility to Executive G vernment which was - manifested by subrnis4ve quiescence to etiery thing that datte4rimi Govern. merit: It was possiblertnongy he owned not very likely, that 'Parliament might I)ave . att - indefttiAnt opinion, and that such opinion , was.differunu that of a Minister, although modern experience 11 34 not taught us to exped it: but Parliament iniglit possibly .think differently from Ministers, they might think that more Vigour w,:+s neeessary:tha - ri had been employed for some particplar purpoe,,more decision, more arnument, even daring Neg,Otiat ions, to give weight to our sentinrients: begtcd leove to` say, that he meant these olistirwalfons as merely general observations; he was givirlgpPpirticalat opi nion upon the particular case now before the House, All he wanted to do was to remove frisiM 'the Com mittee all idegulconsidetingitselfboirlid"to asserh to a proposition bepause.it came from thecrown,brutbich they would, make themselves a mere echo. lie did not mean to say'that , the present application was unfotin - deil. He thought it extreinelyinipioba . ble that Ministers - ,would have-given, tlrtis vlaint.withouti.oc- casiorr.; they would not take a step,at once so u s e. lcss . andmisehievous ; but they proceeded on ground ihat would, on inquiry, justify them in %.1111t . they is ere doing , ; d a rt yet notfwithstanding this knew 'enough . of the; history . Aif, twatk.indotfiAe aWots, that however itnproLible; yet ,was but jus . t barely, pOssille; hat U all' the case ,Were disclosed to the 'House, - as Itlickqii!"lo the i\linister,. the' House arld , thc..ll l larlister upon the ?attire and e*teft,ppf, : iti : for whichryasop he wished not to b e ma d e a 'party E D this husinesi, until . he had some information of its•naturc. He had sonic reason for staring trilialijit „oil rather strong. ly, since he was known. tO *till the Iphabtrant, of this Country, one ortliimost..anxious for avoid r : brrt wishet}`it•tt bet tMdei-tin4, that be had not used a single wortlAnixii4hs,-stiliSch b r would not have use' if he•ha4l-ttgr,.ed in repnibating the last Peam; .With reapta the . present st ra t ion, and the conditions of the Peace of Arniens,h , was one of tlioiit wit& do Out iti h uesB:s l ►opltl terminate , in,War,, ► etetot . ei i t .isl:lßt f 7 facie cviCieiice drat the Peace at Apiens WaSOor a good Peace.'said Eliat the , Pi, : at".' was a good Pettei,. 'and , ace ttre t werefeltgioli ..to whAteyer may. be 16 : ,e 4.4111 f the_ present Negotiation orpi , cussion, By, goodtepits, he di,t not Mean irie'ont 'Orison with Mitt some ,diet=' per. sons Might have sugge;teci, hot , sligible in comra. riSort•with . the Attsnative, wlil tt waS dist vii flatting the War., .1-1 c ;11. 1 d hi and i -obj , ;he last react!, ilwt there was lib real cot us in" the Power with whom I"eaktt. , ; - now lrie cook! riot help,thinkin t 1 t. e waNed until a Power with which e 11;-! at "War for seven years hecatrie'cord 11 in P-H: us, we should Wait longer than wa, t'i fiat's Pr:takcable_tor Our existence; bef we ~.;reed on reins of' Peace. lie had gone as fir be -' , L="-'ed aynv h.tdy, or nearly farther titan ditto;, in in si Clog , on the rP , Toti.ibili-Of ; hot cf . it . Was to he that Ministers of tttt, enn.,try Were never to make Peace with' Fr ince until Francv bad a cordial qiend.,;hii.). towards us, and that sisters were not only responsible for the 'terms or the Peace, 'hitt. also for the sincerity of the friend, ship of the Fiench towards us, it Was a species of responSibility which he never would' j•tin in calling for ; he therefore could riot help re d irding this as an eftraordinary to 'the Peace of Atuienki He was glad - of the Peace of Amiens on its own grounds ; but tre was a friend . to it still more,on ac count of its having ptit an end to the most 'hateful, odiotts, abominable, detestable principle, by which it was accomiiini i ed, 'and on which it ,was pretended to be instituted and carried on. He , .hoped we Should hear no further of a, War for Religion and So cial Order. Did he,thereby Orean'to say, that Re. ligion and Sewial Order were not gnod in thernselvs? No, he did not; so tar frotn it, that be regarded them as the blessings of human life t---:.what rte abhorred was, that bate, detestable•bypocrisy, which atreaed to have these blessings in view, •wheh they were rot i ailv our of ; and 'he was sure that such hateful' affettation cootrinuted not a little to the'clifeafs of thOse who professed it, aid Such would .always be. the : case while hypocrisy was ocliods to the huMan mind, and hateful to the huthan heart; - For what this War Was to be, he knew not. Whether it w,o connected with with Alexandria, or 'any other part Of the world, he, knew not. The . House :was wholly ignorant upon that stibjeft ; but he would put ro the Rothe the onlY,ground on which' he thought a Wit neces sary, that was 'to maintain our r.ink aotl estima.: tion in the world. A War undertaken really and truly for that objed, was even in his ide - a just and necessary, 'great as his desire was to avoid War, because without 'Hononr a Nation was insignifiCanti and to maintain-a War really tin= de rtaken for that objed, and which ()hied could not be obtained without it, he was confident the People of this Country wnuld cordtallyjoin . . He did not concur in the idea, that it was necessary to use language to give spirit to the People, as it was called. It a War was necessary, we knew.we must enter on it heartily ; we could do no other. As, to ; the ex preision his Hon. Friend, .that ,ours Was a Go_ verninent front which all the.abilitYJA the Cou:ury was excluded, and as such was the case, we count not go to War, he shoUld only observe, that -in any 'War in Which this Country was engaged,' it would depend a great deal on its naval - force ; ;r•ki. while Earl. SAINT VINCENT was at tht:! head Of the Admiralty, to say that all the ability of the Country way excluded froth Government, was to say that which would not easily be assented to in any tart of this ..habitable globe. He then proCeeded to obserVe upon the necessity of defining our objet if we were under the necessity of going to War ; for it was the giieatest fault of the List War, that the objed bad never been defined, that no specific jet %vas understo,Rl, in this Country, nor possibly in any other,,' and that, wade the peOtte 'feel . ratl'wc coldly at .different teriods of the War; ajthone,i; they were 'at all tittles dutiful and loyal. Tiwy Were cold I).c.:;zhe they did nt)t . ufiderstand distinctly for what they were fighting. He hoped We slion'id I)Yb4r experience, and, that if we went to War, that we should-distindly know the cause 0 it. He agfeird with the Right Hon. Gentleman, tliat the time was .not -emit. for ._entering into the . questjon.:of the r:Tsporpibility of 11 1 1inister,s. The Right : Hon. Gentleniati had complained •th:ft he had, :een ftequen:ly repr , ;ached_withOnt foundation'; and he was teddy - that, in 'many instances such, was the case. 'FL admitted that it winild not' be proper fit present to 'enter into the discussion o f . an y concessions which might, be 'y'equireiron the one side cr the.. other but `.lf any cbnces sions were 'called- for, which in the • judgment of His Majesty's Ministets might be' Made, eon.: the-tnterest and'honour of .this'Coun. t rv, he hoped lie would not be deterred from making liralif high:founding, Words that fright be used in that,House, orelseWhere, It ..Was not ne cessary to- use -such -kind- of language, :far the purpose of raising - the - spirit of the: People, and to tell theth iNhat interest they bad' in contend- . ing ft - n- • tlqiirlibruini and Their The Peo ple of this Country knew .the interest they had to defend, - Nod they knew the eiertions that must be 'Made, therefore lofty words, COW have no _influence with them—lndeed, in his opinion, such arts were -culpable ; it—was enough if :the people were ready to go to,War„. when they-knew that War 'cotild 'be avoided with honour'; and certainly, if it could- be avoided with honour, was an event most devoutly to be wished. He re que4steJ il>e House to consider the situation in - Which the,Ctoqtry was placed. He, did-nut mean to ,the. predate 0e- :Naval or IVlilitary means cf the Country. The nivy o.fEngland was dese t'y mm of all the pa. negkriC'Whieh . filidlieen bestowed-upon it . 3 . deserviing . of.tttLihp praise which language cotild bestow, for it in - .;st true , that , all Eurooe,hatt not,any,thing ecitnl ;o Navy. But While he, spoke thus he did not twate.any thing against our land-force; :he 'never had any doybt ;heir power, but: at, the latter cod of the last War that they were, what • they had been c'onsiiicrd, as the . best ',troops in gritope. fully - believedl'ii6t that he could be •uoposed to, have any particular knowledge upon , tt.g AS he was not a military man, but he. Inrineti his opini.m upon the information of those tvliOs.e judgment he respeded, and by whom he was informed, that at the conclusion of the War, the rtFputat ion of the British-Troops was. at least as high as .thars.of •aay:froops - in 'the world„ It might be then said, what had we then to feat -----innst undoubt ed), tuithing. still it was desirable that Peace should be maintained, if it could be done consistent ly. -with our , tiatiOnal honour, and character, ,There w.a.s not any man who cf.nild ebt,sidcr. the state of this Country, and the state of iii,Fin . ances (which was, in • some respells, highly pros'pernos); who must, not , feel...that ..War carried:on,: . .evun: sup_. posing :it shzuld be carried on . I,,,vith, tininter 7. mined \j)rosperity, .sueces'sful in every' 'Expedi tion, fortunate in every plan, there was' 4,inan, he said, but must feel that 'War carried ..ow even under such circumstances, must be-grievous, mitous, and pethap, in the event ruinous. He cer. 6i n l y s hould not oppose the Motion, bin' he only wi s h e d. lo s further information upon the subjelt, for he did- . not _recoiled any instancy in..former Wars, when a . measure of tleis kind was adopted, without 'greaterdrgre.. of information thati 'had been laid before the Thu.,- of commons upon the preSent oc.'e casion. • Mr. FRANCIS explained. Mr. .BUKNOUGES- that Ministers had been called on to enter at large into every particular connei!ted with the present question. He. thoughti that the business before the House did not demand rwore information with resped to thi affairs between this Country and France, than what had been already stated by• the Right Honourable .the. CHANclll.l.,ott of the ExCligtivett, At present, the measure to be adopted by the Vote ,of the House, was not expressive of an in. tention to enter into a War with France, only went to prepare for the worst—to prated our Laws, and, every thing that was dear to us, by the increase of our Sailors and Soldiers. An Hon. Gentleman in the House had been speaking in high terms of ap. probation on di ire reit t Officers, who had distinguished thnnselves in the last War, and though he admired thilse great men as much as any one could do, yet he did not see what .these, Gritlemen alluded to, had to eta with the present question. The, subject which the Ilonse, was .at . preNent called to consider was, whether they would grant an increase of Ten Thou. sand Men, which was the result of His Majesty's Messa3e. , He said it was proper togtant that num. her of men ; the happiness and safety of the Country depended on our caution, and the exertion, of our Military and Naval Force, if there was an•occasion to call .thern into adion. He. thought we were greatly indebted to Minist,erS, for the care they had taken to:keep the Country safe. It might ue said,. by . many Gentlemen, that there was no .cause for• Alarm, at - hi it had been said, that if there 'was, any, real cause for the, increase of our Army, and Navy; Ministers should‘laybefote the Housethose grounds of Alarm,,, to warrant the adoption of the. present measure. But every .amber must be satisfied that the French were making rapid pteparations for souse, Unknown pu r po se , whi c h w a s not .j ust itiiible accord.: ing to the Peace nil ificii at Amiens, ant{ which gured a against hostile, ,to this Country, if snot , onarded a c ,wainst by the, v L igA . ,tnce . c.ii7.our Ministers: These dark and wicked designs were, thank, clod, 'not too oiwuie l lor the watchful eye.of our Mini. stets, who deseive every encorniew for their itinne. diate attention to the .safet'y of thc..People. Great as France certainly wOldd never be able - to domineer over this Country ; and he .doubted not but we : were cqual in strength to :My force the French .could send,againSi us. * lle ,there. fore should give his vote in favour of the MotiOrt ; arid' he must be ‘,.:erinitted to 4.6 .erve, that lie thought the Mini;ters had acted right in not entering into an explanation as to the atEtirs of the Country 'since 'the Peace_; qtiCh an expianaticin would,•at this time, he an improper .exposure, CHANG ELL° die 14.4.i:pEcatrli had given - his - word to lay liefore the lionse 'every :pr,oper information, ,it we went: under the disagreeable necessity of going to War with France ; butts this meastve was only,intentkd to secure every blessing Eol, i jishinen at present en. joy, it wOinti . not be political for the Minister - to N,4y more .than h had already ',sai&on the subject. I.7rI).I.IWKESBURY said, his principal objca In risiit" was to advert to some points Which 4a,1. V. ~t -_beets touched e.y 11c diare.l wi!h ti retie • - o r: 4 ,3 , to the ; ~.; i ffoa. al to Co, distioc. t'on between the Prerogati..:- e,!....tnag Peace an War; rt was tin . questiee-hly the prete)gt!zi', , e•oi , ,je'ry to. mike Peace, (S:it Parliament n:ie!:,t consider the.terns of that Peace, and imoe icit the Ministers whit nis t ie it, or - ttcldress.llis Jl,l , jety fur the reinival of thoie Ministers, if titcy thought p!'n,i per so to do, 'As to the qtestion of VTar . , as it ta , a3 diffetent.frorn that,of Peace,. So the power, of th.. , House was and ought to ,he 'differently c,-.-;.el-,:i4ect upon that. subjea : His Majesty:was- k-• 1 7) tl prerogati malt i '‘Var ; but it e t; ! stated, that it was the,prerogative ui e refuse the Supplies. The Hotn:e, they 'had no negative upon the MAKlfly; 01 , they, had-a prailleal negative•upon its cootie nice :his gre,w,out of„the Co .tse. ostitti!ion ; if„ and wal tremely essential the interest.; of theeC , ..runtrv., He would-wish in apply these principles, s io oral r. circumstances, ,nam4y, to the qeestian _after - ths conclusinn.of 4Nre 4 ,ni,:tbn, as . to what information. , it would. be neec:'-sary to prodrce,respeeting that., Negotiation. - Of this His MAjesry's must jtitlge, and; if the, House did not think ti!.e formation ,priNiuced sufficieot, they could address, His Majesty for further : information. He sh o uld, say, that n a rase of War, there -N0114.1 lie I",,ViittA all the prima f;Leie informatioa .wh i ch could ,t:e. nc.,. cessary to justify that \Vat ; hot in a case of Pe3cr it , Wt:icit .seas satisfallory to the -I.'we, ill. th;o,iput, frcie evidence relating to it need not be pro-dayeeit s Ope case : ought not to he comparedwi another in a, • C;tse Of,War, all the information respeding the ce.o:es : shicli,ledto tint War, ought undoubte,ilx . , to lie laid before the Hosuse, to enable them to ,form a 1 judgment upon the subjed ;. but in a.casc of reace,, tL here every point had beeen amicably adjust." ed, it w ou ld b e improper to day before the Public all the irritating Circumstances whieh.mighe have been attendant' upon the course of the Negotnt ' lion. 'Did he. therefore draw an unfair inletence, when . he said, -that in a case Of, Peace, it must lay, with the Executive Government as to how far enoto or Jess inconvenience, would he produced by the produftion.of Certain infOrmatioo: the House must, , judge whether t he information -. p roduced was suffi. eient, and if they jhought not, .they,could ac lre,s His Majesty for more. pease might be, according, to ciretnnstances, kgreater evil 'than War; hot. Must suppose las the . abstraet, the. one :a he a ii ~ and the other an evil, and theretore Lion might be necessary in one case, am,d wiwr. : The Hon. Gentleman ( \Jr. • col an expression, as to whether the v,) , e night might' not commit the House to ; '• agreed with the Hon. Gentleman, ti,:•! the House ought to . have proper .in.,rinatioe, the vote of that 'night could nor bee,rnsi...tel as cotnmitting the House u) War: The question then came to this, whether, in the case of - i pending Negotiation, whielt was nor weesarily to !earl to hostilities, the House 'tight to call fOr infortna.." tioit He believed it had never been Usual to call' for infortnation in similar cases. The Hon. 'Gentle. man had alluded to the Russian Armament ; but that was an Armament fur political purposes,. and the question - Was; 'whether the House should inter. tere respelling the BalanCe of Power ? The Hon. Gentleman might then have said, he sow no reason for interfering in the War between Russia and 'fur. kcy, and as to political 'reasons, those are in Your of Peace; anti arguing in this way, he mile have called for information Mille first instance to he laid before the House.. But here it' was not a sue. scion between Russia end Turkey, but between this Country and a- Power 'whose warlike preparations were always inimical to- this Country, arid he be. lieved 'it had always' been usual to arm as a n enemy arms. He' conceived that a Naval Armament in the ports of an Enemy was 'a -sufficient ground for this Country to arm. 'I he Executive Government _was, - he considered, bound 'to arm in such a case ; and if Parliatnent were sitting, to send' a Message on the subjetl. He had stated this.case, supposing there was no subjeet for discussion between the. two countries, but where an Armament was combined with discussions- of considerable importance, and that was - stated to the House, surely the House could feel no difficulty in sanitionitig precautionary measures. Precautionary measttres were undoubtedly necessaty, and they-wound not in theslightest de gree commit the House, as to the subjeft in ,iiscus.; skin between this Counts); and France, which would be completely left open for future discussion,. when it would become the duty of His Majesty's Mini sters to produce information. His Majesty's Mi_ nisters did not desire more confidence than aust necessarily be given to the Executive Power. Con fidence was of two kinds, the one that which must be given to -the Executive Power, and the other such as the House might think proper to give, arising-out of the conduit of l his Majesty's Mini_ stars., All. that -His Majesty's Ministers asked , was, that they might be dealt with 'fairly upon this subject: Confidence having been given to them, they had a right to say it ought not to be withdrawn, unless upon, inquiry thc7House should see areason for so withdrawing it. That was all His, Majesty's MiniSters asked they were re ason ., snit:. tut Jt9tconcluA, and they were Weil a:vare faf the duneulties of their situation.; they had been ; 141 "L''d oats laya sense of duty t(./tViiTas their k.tig and country : tley would be teddy' to lay before "the House every information at a ptop e er period, .and' they only a:,ked that,, they might be dealt with an.l not prejadge‘l : they wiShed to stand or" fall by the opinion of Par. e l A w ia , t i n i s n e ( u . l ' i ',- n i t s, t l it e a e c t i e ' i d i ss o a f t r l y a l tp H C‘l o:t ; t:.::G r , Y n e . u n r : was (ll ,rc i7. o e ,D ft e g ti t i) e , t : a rt.: prat ice to .VOEe the number proposed by the. E3tecu.. kive. o 9Yerini*nt : the ilouse might reance the her, but to increase it was not a vet); usual ton di. of prpce,tding, The 1-leuse had voted so ,tuoo Sea men, whieh, with the to,oao,nOw proposed, would make 60,000, which was ali that was at present re. quited e _ , • . Fox and Lora fiwv/KEsn URI" stvet4lly eX. Mr. ELIOTT bail, he rose to give his cheerful Concurretic s to the prorOseti o Vote ; he though; no s f .tt