The Sun. — London, England, 1844-02-23 00:00:00

J T - Ta T-taq SPIRT ot3f . te " . f . r l / 1 3 L I.C. OVASAX.:S., !Davis, of Chiswick rot ti'ght Or . 4 ., ebie. Arr. DAN is, is ',, a solicitntt I WiiA tit. itniaid I t t .., . faction - Was brought Wheil Silt went t`d hit't tifii,U=. She . 16 : fliving'- at Mune be ffore tiiK wt She rit to mr.liiirtsB(ii i Aii f s ,.3lrfinVisee i Mil. Lillywhite. Reference' was'inade to my sister., I have an eklas•brothes..wleo is a merc harilAmerit'ol - tfeollect when iliySister came from Boren; Z. t maser brought her home. I heard they ithilliced a night at Dover. , 31 1 r. Frayy, T isited the filii.t . ll &,*, '-',144 for two ..eir : : three ra k otths be, fi - I' • • - home. I saw my Aster in hy ',grim jp,..„ll_P warn beri-f.....and __ -went She held filWays delicate health. A.'/A-44 exo,nysiiktc toz,tlf6:. 1610, of . my sister carne up to town in the in'Orning, and returned the next day to Exeter. Since then she went on a visit to Lincolnshire with a clergy man and his lady - in 1843. They are fritikki,offfie-fam4ly. - ~- • Re-examined by' Mr. IltrapurtEy-=1- wetit\te" Mrs: 1,111)- whi s tit; a hAtpittetiter she heard the reports with regard to 111 Y ' sistfF. - a fetter , intimating . the ,leregnancy of Miss Simi ilt- , .*fts- handed in; it was dated- QCt: 13; 1943.) ‘ Miss Eliza Arnold-sworn and eiffrithied-W-Mr. DIMMER I—l am daughter of Mr,Athold; of the South Sea liouse. I know Mr. Frttabt --I never had anyliitiiyebarge With-hint I sett Dr.. Ashwell yesterday. • - - • -," • ," ' ‘ ' ' ''' ' ' • Cross-examined by Mr. CitAmitEiti:*nB . 111 `5 6461 at f Bonn. I recolkei-comin 6 a w or froin• it, ."I went- iw-cologne ..) from Bonn, and'theri to •trank.tort.; Mr. .Frliiiei,inidillft.`:•Vitz 'ames, and. alllas Ohennell went with ime-lo' Fiaiikforf. I (lid: Dit- - kno*i 'Mits-; Chennelk ' I-slept.bye /Myself. _ Miss Chennell 'slept tipposite to • me. I - slept', bike' 'with Miss • Chennell. -•I went - .back to Bonn front--Frankfort. - I Tent 'the sifteriinon-With 'a• Idea • Miss-Chennell .WaS left at Frank !fort. I did not see Miss Chennell any more. We next went to Bruges, I slept . there pne•higlityj , n - v eis to Aix* Chapelle, to Brasseli,--ond thince"f4 - .B . OulOgfie. o • . l•44ifs , ii St6pped at the inns. I stayed two dais- ,at I BritSeiri:" I' do iibt .k.,now the name' 'Of.f•tho him: .d ) crossed' to. - DoYer ' m fro Boßoulogne.' = Wa - stopped . W .- at! ' : the'::'.‘• Ship."' I !onl' had one meal there.- •=-1•-• went to see f , tny sister; Sihto:• was at school in Dover. F-do not reeolleei when we ilinett. It was late. I went _to bed . about nixie-o'clock. I think, I' le ft Mr. Fraser am:l4li, Fitaj iiineS- i n -the sitting-room. i W. . had ,some wine at dinner. I-don't think I'teok any.: I ' do, not recolleft teing 'disturbed that .. night in apyway.i. I think Mr. Fraser:knoeked at the name in - the' ritorning. • He Said Itrkvas tiiniPtivget irp: • ' We dune tnLondoli by'llVei,edelis. I (think papa met me at CrOtehurelf-;atieet, where'Wersittpped. Mr. Fraser, I=think, Spent the evemng attuir house that night. lie usettfte Visit Ais freqiientry , ";•- Aftet That he'Vrent'do'wn to Exeter with-iatutuna, and nie. , I was 'ill before *I- left Dr. ;liee.:Visiteit-ine...• • Fthirik. Mr. ,, Friser •and mamma left Exc, ter to go there.- . My fantily.uSed , to term to see Me. ' I sai- C , r. - -Fraser . there :afterwards.- -: - Ile' lodged at pastrYcook's. My "bikithdr fetched Me when I ' came -away fist. ' I was in fateterf abimi nine months.- Welfre-Mr. - FraSer. in Bath. We leanl4ftip together. I don't recollect liribliffistiii4 at:Mr. Fro , . eerqichambera, , 1 never biekkfaged at W Fritsei'A'ehambeir. il think 1- took supper once ' there:'.'l +ail refreShinents there isometintestriihis there once alorie - ithbfa was culling from Mr. Fraser's sister's, I do not know s what.. time it was. I vent several tinesf*Rtil-papa and triatiffna and- Miss 'Sim . nons there. Mr. Fraser said lie wanted:to speak ;privately ' with Miss Simmons. I- was put into another r00m.." That was the only time I went - With Nisi; Simmons. It hAs teen mentionethCo". m - if..thaV I used aknami.ivlen•l.had a fit of ystefirsi , ;•-• I •believel!Mr:Traser took • - nie to'Seathiimpteik, I:went--into.societv:withalr: Ft astr - acconipiuiied thy a mar- Tied:lady: i iLdoralikete mention bar name.,- , Peorresponded With Mr. Fraser.; • I recollect 'gave ii;: bonnet to Mr. , Fraser to keep. for me, because I could 'not Wear it. . r • don 4 re- ,- Member ever. being alone with Mr. ..Fraser athis fodgingi in Exeter. I was there ,once , when ray brother I 'was in the. town. It was • in ' the: evening.: (--I- ' was . about an ' hour • ' with . .him. .- - I ', don't ' recollect;.-being '. in . his lodgings'. -at .: any : other • time.. - I' will ' ~. not -- 'Fotear that I was-nett here. ,' - There wash Seta; in' Mr.,.Fraser's room. I saw, Mr.TriserlYesterday f at a window opposite where I had been waiting. I had not see' hint sinee..lS ovember -till then. - When Mr'. limier took; leave of me he made me a present of two rosettes of ribbon. , lle- made- rnepresents of trinietsbe4 fore. I saw - a portrait of , Mr. Fraser. . I bed it for some time. It wasbrotight doWn to Exeter. I gave it to my fatherte give itbaektoMr. Fraser. I -was never in a shop...with Mr.' Fraser.. Ply parents were aware that Mr.';Fraser-desd 'to:Make •• me presents. Mr. Fraser- (wan: my guardian while_,_ . 1 wits.fiV Exeter; Mr. Fraser and . I wont out in it'fff'Wether. We rode out on .horseback. also • He , bought &Aerie for mo. ' 'Re-examined by •Mr. Thesigge;•:--When Mr : 'ltitijarnes was in Germany'l - didz not, know that hewai a married Man. I I afterwards heard he w as, and . thathe had four c_hildren, • He and his faintlyitteart-all 104-614 toiliiiNfrit- Intl‘'-', I was sutiplfriaiil by-the attorney M Mr. pigmy,: initoi:l4ve been '..n attendance here Mice Menday:- •-• ,- i *-.,,. I)n,Aalniell •kientified •the witness ;as the persOn . Acta- he . had examined. . - i bliss. 4' osto was- examined•im reference to the-Viiit'ef ifiss Ainold to. Reading, • -• • • -.-...... ............ - . ; . .. . ! Mr- Arnold examiaed--r am chief accounts nt lit iho south ' Sea House , ..l•hava•held• that • sitifation fern' years:` ntrip*.. • M. Eraser i• lie•visited- • in-my - frimil7. ' There ' WaS - ii 7 liidy , iamed Simmons is niy ;Mit* ;,.. an intimacy' , A - as formed be, 'liken' ber'and-My SOll. .. .1 heard Of the "-resift-1; 1 4f that inti , triae,y;,. 14)aid the eXpenses attending. hefeiorififi.eiffierit: ' - t, att o l 7 ei I was- agothiecalled i and 'prol'ect Lthat Miss easedihe heel; test4'indleate virginity,' • -: - - - • - On cross-examination, he said that married .women, and, vea:wakeri•Whe' had iildren, sernetinieepages""slicl it; but,' n those -- cages, -there - was always some- disease ' or inal -- ormation: ~ - - ..- ".. . _. . '-. •` - i . " Mr; DuncOmbe, an examined—l ha ve known IT. - Fraser. for about treenty . years..• I had emmtiiinieatione fth him resfecting .his Wife rtypetober, 1843: There were once- ' inrimines. - baltltuted ,' ' at that • - time.: , _.- - . They ere' "not, - ..satisfirey in their ,result. I had - i3offie hing - - to-'do" ivith- - regard;' to the . debt 'dim - to Mr. ekhurti.;" - What - he:hatizi,-Tespecting Mrs . Fraser's int i rey ,with , MP.',Bagiey; gethcr with the :, debt dile - to, Arr.. oCkburn;kept, him in England: None of the money he ,got to, e him tO - ,Wla, from ••,1%/iB.. PrasexTliad gone to .Mainfaiii. [ hia aetiOn. - I 'haveittpplied,the *AS, and ern - responsible --- . - , - - . • or - -- then-W.: ' - • ‘ • • - ' . ; - Crosa-exarniriedby Mr. Crt,tareErts.L.f hare had bill trans etiOns to a largo amount - with . Mr. Fraser; 1- hive been a bankrupt. - I was' dischaiged last year.. • -- '.,,' ". . The' evidence On:both sides having. closed; :-.. ' - • :—..' : - Mr: eiic..wfirsits' addressed. , the pry on - the ,p e a c it on Of t the de r ; e t ll l a Pi t il TP tf r . fl -'l'l'l t e ° 1114‘%ee7Giendetleeniq produc ed d, d w 'ell ' ,bile il ft s y l-)-a on: he oviderica 'of Dr. 'Ashwell, - Which. he said amounted onIY o d - strong : Cohviction ,' on . hia' ; part. Ile • remarked; n the - want of . -propriety, in not putting the . , inothei• of lifis.s Arnold in r,he !Would iii not oiling the pli . ysican Who.was called :in te 'ae'eMpls-A - itiold, when sheLyya§ in hysterics_ go .„ then conmieuted • . tit; strong language . on 'the 6 v 1,- - derice of y oung 'Arrioldi" . .. Who said that , he Was 'the' father - , of the. -.Child! irhicri.' - Illias -- ' Sfmnions , had._ But therifi*as .notfangttinecount for Mr: Fraser's paying a large kiftiforiiibtiFy;• - fot his instructionnin - singi4 tct. Mr. Pennet. . The Lehoect Gentlernati - then 'coniniented on the eiidenee of • Miss' - Arnold' - herstlf, and 'Coneluded - by call, tig on the- jury ..• pot. -to, give:iihy damages 'to' a • man' ho asked for 'thee i lit'thcir hands, because the'peate - of his • raWAY, ria4-4estropct.N.9hi/0, ' jig COM,Mitted such outrage outrages upen • • . •. .„ . . -----. aometklllinself: . ' " . ' 7: • - - ' Ur.*TitEsrpri.ftthen. replied' in a powerful and able speech. na . ,l,oltp rtifie.lt'gri4. sutruned' up, arid - the jury re - - turned 'a Verdiet•te the' defendant at terl O'Clock last night.' FROM THE EVENING FARZES OF rawrsanAt. . : . GLOBE.-116 : 4410orn-lawl4engue bold Riot usual: weekly meeting last=ereningi At Wita truly a 0 ritotoitbe . t . meeting. Every. part :of: the-immense. buitditid' , Wile crowded. There.could' , not:beless--qoacked-4tlit'd§Seiri4, bly was--4han .Six thensanepersons pre? . ftt. -' These: -were principally of:the felasf 'of s6Ciety;:te Sratt..,,.Fl)lhS term " respeeiable7 is conventionally iipiiiitlQ',,lit who would bo.pior fi - ,_prapoirs - Fdeii g ; 44 oo4 , 0 Ih`e...11;11a01c ; (t 0 alklE. ;; Riit . ith# ftylll the' labonfing).claises. Titer dress eire,le,; . t.l . J.RFi t i:Oe„ Muses, and, ; *,.,.,stage.were-,ap,i POnteil t*:a yet logiaer,o4,l t ,innong Whom :were persons, of considerable rank andstetion. Tho.,isthe of tickets had been restricted; and:every - :effort, was =employed by' . the Committee:to . preveriVConfusien.=-) Td hr;*ety:COn- 1 siderable • extent, the ~ - t ireliniirruiry. 'l4 , ll:deli : ins, -- did' the arrangettlentsithrn':l4le hotiSe, Were - sticiess-' ful ; and, with one or tWO'lritlitig, interruptions from: personal altercations I.K.swe4l 'parties ; who were incon- . venienced by the pressures at 'the iit,,entrance,tbepro ceedings of the.. evening, were .co.n4C,4eil w,ith order, only interrupted -by %h : enthusiastic •_-sdieering-within4) and by, erowds : wi theit, She _th entre.... ~,For intensity and' duration, this far surpassed any demondration :-(itiid 'We , have •beett p resent , at , .inany . exCitingicteerks), we ever . witnessed. - .The neWly4Ormed "League for tlierro-. tection of Agrictilturc! 'and the proceeditw'S that,..' marked its forrnatin,i4upliOdithe Speakers•i'4o.- teOes 7: which they 'en4l a - W 4ith t ee,nsiderable . eifect . upon, the' risible faWitiea j .of -,- e :ueeting. • . Mr.. Daniel O'Connell's anriojincecr Intention. 2 - of , being. .present had leOntributed!-.Asobe4htan'!; the interest:, .. which the weekly ,meetingsr....4ttlre.League - :hnd.hithert o k e pt alive, to the excitement we have de sc ribed, ' • Ile also(- applied his.. peCulitikly retiagio , :ifarrii nerd hi the prOCeed-, iegs ,of this new ag_itationt and 'slily alluded to, the Ilro-.. ention :;against li4pioriiraliii coadjutoisirif.reland,: us Ineving . rendei . ed,he'l.34 . 4 "of Ilichmend and the: Duke ot Itel;inglidui reiii4.ot , L 4oining.- ,as conso ls-3 fors, ": ,vit ; _the clutches "4:X ;:fite;,•;.A;t4oratty,Getteral... t Passing oak the incidental. t o the immediate, business: t>iiiN nig l et, love,canuot...withbohi She high grati fi cation; With which,: Mr, , James . Wilsores , spench =carets - evidently_ lis tehed .to—a. speech i .which- Way'AC' iVered 'tinders the manifest disadvantage of thenietipgibeitt,l4t'onilte. psi give abit: the -expected entrance or 3.lr.::O'connell, and-the occasional' intiveatidli •cit o bliis appt4 - AW.:.,,Sii an expositiOn of the gliipoliciy..,44rnmeret al .re;trigions, : . and the - . MiSchiefs , ik, hits :tyr j eilaht in this,. and other.; countries,. it was inpetsafike. t atal convincing,,,and de.: serves. the widest - eiroulation, ;as. a vindication.of-the-: 'efforts now employed to.irapreasshe Legislature, through the rheditun of public opinien, , with a conviction Of the necessity of adopting 'a- . wiet3 policy in its • enactments respecting conittierce thaji- that by which it has hitherto been governed; d !lV,o . ltatehAitecessiOn to allude to the enthusiastic rife r erltilill&Mt.,.olPC,elmell by. this immense assemblage. ' 1V o t:egiird it:;tis ,Obe of those "Sigms . of the times" whick,,up.Rovernment can sal*, treat "with indifference. • The prosecution... Of. O'Connell-and.:his co-agitators has .produeed t .an. .3effeet oit the public mind,. even in this -country,.-most 'unfortunate for the Ministry ; and this -feeling is spreading; O'Connell; whose influence was - subsiding, ,has,been. exalted ,into a hero. If subjected to .personal' infliettOit', - he Wi ll be more formidable in his , prison, than ;when presiding in his Conciliation -Mak= or addrelng 'ills monster meet ing on the plain, of , Tarn;'"- - ttierche was, - a - i‘ ditli-, malty" to a ti - verititeitt,, : disliked,by the groat lila. - of the Irish natiori:' 3407tAi g ht.'ha ? e,b C en. neutralised , by. Ministers; and. Wontit ,harebeen-,-So,, hadshey adepted . a- mild and generous policy toward the people,, over w hom , h_ .e , ".'ciscocl .en iisttluente:..which.- had waxed Qi: *slim' according .as,:lthei : Ministry- lof • the day coerced, or coneiliated, its-sy=stem of- government. At 'the/I:lose •of one -of those enthusiastic bursts of ".:itecring with which O'Connell was lait . night gr:eetC4, he said—sand who will venture .to _doubt the *correctness. of.the anticipation_?--" The aouutl of. that *Lit will - not die , within_those".,:walLi -, - .it will be.earrled. thronghoutyOur .Matreipolis , ' 'it.will be-cenveyed on ,the eastern..winds to lielant will..be•nearcl...to reecho voork.'on. the banks -ofstia:Shannoni the 'Dore; the flair,. and the Barrow."-- , ..2,! , .-)i;'-..i..11,,,:c , ~ ..; , ... , . ,:. - . STANDARD.—The aljdurned-debate-waileitnight continued by a . single speech, ---bat-that speech - possesses art-inferest greater thanheloi;t, , i to all the speeches. that went before it, and all that,are lil‘sl,y_ to follow,. it. — lt Was the Spee'eti Of the AttOrieptWene,ralSOr,ltelatid-.--7the de fence of. ti men Who had heettl*, l 4.iik4Oniecittiveinights in othe.:.rl l *PAOi ra ...g.94 - iiiiti; - 15., , ,84,,,,f04 , ;,..w.„.as many weelsr-cout-OE-.4loo,risi, the•-okret:of. invetaant,attack from - open enemies , and-inf. inaidiousillows; froixeNpfs. , tended friends, as unjust-tur they! were malignant..'lo-reat interest , naturallyiattachtd-tirrseeh-adefence,.even before the speaker had opened his lips.; but we do. noth i tcsitate to say thift the ,ItiglifTon. - 'clentleiffait had spoken but • 'a very ",few sentenees - , be foreth e generoits.Spnpathy,ivit h the persecuted.manSves,whopylost id admiration n,f. the .. great .lawyer and • • orator,. _.and .astonished at the power with. PbiCil .be crushed pll hia , opilonen to,l and vindicated _ the cause of, trath .and.,..lustine.: - ... In , .ireland it is pretended that...Mr, Smith-48.00t -ani eloquent speaker, and some .chatteriWlribblei.: in - .this ~, country talk of his failing..-irt!;..thes.liouse of- Commons, but read his:, speech-4,f. last. - night—mark - its . perfect unity as a demonstrati9n,.gte..itresistilaliiseettrenee of each in ferenc4,-she lueid.order...in...whiith -these inferences pro ceed to an inevitable conclusions. . Mid the animation, and vigour Which pe.riade. ' tlia - ..:Whole.„.aiul.. then ray, whe ther such- a speech wouldnot be thought- eloquent in Greece in her best Vie- whether it. does, . nut rank with the best ;English: models ? -It is not " Irish eloquence 7 quite the- opposite--but •thiat .'is . indeed high prase. It is an inadequate aeknoWledgirient to say, that Thy. his speech last night Mr. -Smith hat Won . the very first place am - htig -3 the • prufiSSietutl — orators in the house of - CO - mmons, That it overturned the whole ea-se attempted'ci- , be -raised against him, and ' overturned it Without • effort,. - Can; be. easily :Under stood, The case was one which any - infrint's• hand might crush; but it was not with infantirre ' force—it-was with the' Strength- of an Afrite- , --thatthe'Attorriey-Getieral for Ireland rolled back their ,accusations ittiOn his tile; efisers. The expression Or indignant scorn wiik which he vindicated his .own honesty, and ` the. henesty of the Irish bar, in reply.. to • the -imputation of Sir Thomas .Wilde, - . has. ;probably: never .. been excelled ; • and an .. interior " matter, --his --contrast of Sir Thomas's - own' preceOnti !la - I, Bir-IThoriiaS'§ late exposition of the-law; Was . as hidiCreits - ly effective' as the vindication was torrible.- Ni - Say Sp :Much of the qualities of the Atterneyttienertil'S .sigeeh' to ` invite those who read for anuisenient . only," and who, would; ,' perhaps, be deprived,of the high gratification 6.f-reading this splendid argument by•the terror u .of a loaspeeen. upona threadbit subjecte`fromponet,bit4rtuArinewn. only as a conswlimate lawyer. - ....,ii. • ' ~_ _ _____l_ _ _Ai.i.' "."" ~. r _"___ . _=_ - 1...:_ -1.-1.-.;_iff IN `3+ CO WIT OF CO WitfOlV - PLEAS; - (Before Chide' lastie 2t:grist:4 '•' • • , „ • ipstql. v. BAHLET. - 7-Citnq COY.. in'ed: (in 'continuation front our . Edition of yesterday)—He inad6 - no`arrairgetneets as to the time and pl&Elireintlelt IltrWoldnee" them. There was no coneeatltlegtOr the f6Mb!lice I)Mer. On the occasion of- Mr.. Fraser, • going nut to•lndia„ and his receiving 2001. from his' Wife, I. aogaled Lo,llTin liltf VroprietV Of fakir% his He • Said - lie ifoilTifiee . tifi' children, *butnOrt his wife- He aa( l ke:nutd, aqnqi„dee . "..k f,he prpp*.ty ofwriting to. her. lie never stiW aatjt w iiu oprteEy. .i>andnet . :ou - the part of the wife: _ Cross-examined . Mr: .1 - lirkneßgXer•mr. Fraser often enmplained.of Ine ; wge ; spenicing. hipi k . ,/le,clesired to ask his wife to withdraw. the, cligge'Anzen'tade : Agaitt' bits r; regard to, his connexion trith 3lisaArnek4) ),Y.h I used the word « crimjealit's, I meant, to 'shadow •fortilir the nature of the charge egainstPr.,Yrasen 'batl -tleterre collect the word to have beereaseeloitherby Mrs. , Fraser,.in complaining of her litt;bantli_of,hy__Alte_husllatel'iu defending himself from the charge. Mr. Fraser Ceetiplaineil, that,his wify treated Irmo ,:I;cell.lonstfaced with her. I don't knew anything:l,f ikfir;A:raseesjankily, belie,ee he has a sister....Lachlresee4l: letlers;.to' Mieti kraset in CatntleaNilla. _ Mr. Stewart, (1.e., exainmed—l have known Mr. Eram for several years. I. interfered to procure-money for himto • go to India.: There yere .snipe dqubta as. to the - shexiity - of his intention to ge to Ihdil — I told him that 2f he. iafisted me with regard to ttiose iftnit)ta,_ I w=ould write to 'Mr. White to get the 200/. hialioriOni - that he would go, and.r•htier.ttien:tie reason 'doubt Mr. James :wait :called, and proved that Mr. Fraser called at his office Basinghlia•s_ treet. with-regard to his goino- India, and othatPlia , had- instructions from Mr. • Cockburn under a certain rigreenieni to..which Frasvr.-was a party. He said belied tietldng "to do blitite surrender: , lie did not surrender. Huss . , :y• was ealled,lnd proved that the bird %Aria Searle had been , salipcenitid ;' ahalrl'ittteeltfilbee 1 08 Monday ; that he acednifeinied her to Or'etkri*ichc bntirlte'was i not to be foiled on TueSday . tr - tieryoexertion had been made to film her out. • • • - . • • - Mr. Ballard, formerly a , Bohm street °triter, troved- that he made every exertion to find out where Maria Searle was, but had not been able. ' • A • balance-sheet was put - in Stowing the state , of , Fraser's affairs. ,It appeared - froux it.thathenwed,2;3ool., and had property to the amount of :only 3001. , - Several letters from Mr. kraaer te . M.r. Bagley - were pitt in and read.. The letters showed That a close'intitnaty ex , - • isted between Mr. FraSer and /dr; Bagley: Mr. CHAMBERS said that this was the case fie. the . defence. The following witness - es-Were the called on the•part , of the laintiff, with reference to . -the thew matter discloseekin the evidence ontho part of the defence • 1)r. Samnel'Ashirell, ILecturer on Midwifery at _Guy's, • Ibaspital--,I examined Miss Arnold by tlveclesire of her father, at the South , Sea-. Haute, :eesterilapewith: a view of ascer "gaining whether she: was a eirgin'..or , not. I. §hould say' she • never had a thild, nailthat. a virgin. " '.Flit is me; de cided opinion~it. is , de-tided" an olibiirm- as . • any person could give.' . - - •'' • e • • Cress examined by "Me. -01 4 - snitam--laxatninedher about ,eleven o'clock •,1a ,, ,t night: 1 ,, -shoal& sae , - theiti ought - to be • little difficulty :On theiiruti Of A competent. examiner - in ascertaining' the 'Ate- witnees.was examined at soine length, but owing to the nature of the subject, we e r eiiro-, eluded frentgiving the examination„ . - Edmund, Arnold examiw,t4=Lam the son of tilt. Ar nold ' of the Sonth Sa.4 10 ) 1 00-.:4.0. 1 4.68, two sonaand Or o .ef or „, Mr. Fraser , witS•ia,ttleital)ltikvjsitieg there:, •I...was the habit of going ..w - ithi•nty aster to• Yraseferchaeltes. ' Simmeils :,used; resit at- - father. d She' was there about twelve months,. .aan 24 years of age. am a medical man. There v.-as an intitbaey formed-between myself and Miss.Simmens•••• I rill.ftot•call.it an attachment.. 1 have every, reason'to.balieva sheleas in the family .way by me.- -She left An- 4nnalor Julys She after that. visitilll9)/14.:AeRategtere . It was . known - to pry family that alio -was in tlw.faraily .way by me about, two tponths eller-it had taken • Cross‘examined ,by Afr,„Cp,plll.tll.9—l am , a medical 'student. My Sister' -1105" nineteenSOL?: 4-saw) V Mr. raser now ; I camift9olJllll. t4e.witntes - box,. I read the account of these ToTeKdiniga. Wthe toeTopspere.- I did -.413 _see Alia-000110ns. sipfe. it-wa known.liyery/famikrjhat . • ' - LORD iii*L" IiAGIiT•I7.)IItE EARL.CARDIGAN.. - At the sitting- of-thigatut; . - 1. 12 Mr. Sergeant TAIXOURD said he was instructed toapply to is Lordship to name a day for thetriab-of an brought l by Lord Wm. ragrethdliatof Cattligatt His Leaniod IFrierttl,Sti• :Thomtili Wilde WaS 'With 11411 '(,Sergeant,Talfourd) am-ctiunseljor the', plaintiff ..Thy so).lcit.Pr7.qgneral was IcouriseLfer Lord Cardigan.; no* if it *as the pleasure of - the Court; (Tuesday next ..wouldbe a. convenient clay to both hio Learned.fxrendsk ,• ' ; The LOAD CHIEF ;funk% said he had no objection to take Ithe case ou Iruesday..nexti. if the other causes which stood on the.paperlefure it,Were dlsposeduf by that time; but he couldnot pass over other . - .) NIVTIDEItS' BY A YOUSG'CITiLD.'. Oa i319114y. was,cojniMitted to Castle, for 'friars: charged with .the wilful murder .:Of . her-.two little liio thers-(MX theinnither's, Aide), Airy Johusok,...a,:girl;.tior _ . yetrthirteen. • • - The: inquest. was held at,Benhigton, near Boston, thk. place where the parties , reside, and ithhs pre-vedittmostl painful and intrieete. investigation., - - • The 'PrisOnees7inipinbable - story • is . She went to •Mt.',oYertotek shop,. ,the - 1)Ost-tiflide;•.;6 fjuire fur a letter ;: there nut' -being one, she went out . aguils,,and in ahpttt_ten_ mine* returned,,end tisked t'tir penny worth of •ars.ertie, which ;....after :a;:deal Cof hesitation, she.obtaitied: ; The .satne night; .when' par-: taking n of: their-meal, the twochildren ..n;ere: Potsonedi and died the ot, morning,: within: two . hew's. of eae other.- On the night in , qatatien,rifter 'their meld was over; Pair(the father)- and his tiousi. keeper went to a tenting ch4peJ,ln an adjoining parish, and, upon their return-home they-found the 'two, children at a neigh- i hour'a;hbase; .under tha'satne roof, retching; putginfi continued _with, but little inte.rmi.V., sign 'until they died. The.rather:fetehed Mr. Cyan:Flack; a-surgeon, but_upen hisarrival Gilliam ezpired:: , ' The• day after the death . -ofi.the•• two . .ehildren,. the father,-hearing that- the prisoner , had procured poison at Mr,-Overton'S-,'tOok her with Mtn, and contrented her With Mr. Qvertoir, ". putting the qnestion"!`. Did -- this girl. get azty',. poisonhere ?"'''Being l tins* - gfed in the affirmative, the•‘Afher then Asked the girl'what'she ? She replied, " I gaff=e it to a Nyenutu on road,- who . seut.-..me for. it. . another .atage"of. the investigationAeing asked by the Coroner if she should know the w6inanugain, or describe. her dress and person, .she answered, •she:had never seen her before or since; that she was n tall woman, .s.vring _a brown , cloak, a white straw bonnet with- - colokrred•ribitridfi-,•mid car rying a retiettle - basket; and- that she accompanied thewoman on:the high-road_ .ps, .far as , ' the I gnisleipost leading to I3utterwick, being.adistance of bvtlYa.ei).!2.9,o .and 300 yards from Mr.. o.vertpit'4,. where !the woman left her, and;,pursued her journey tolvarciS `l3estou, and the girl returned home. • . •.- . • -• ; After vigilant inquiry by the officers and pollee no such - ; woman Can. be found. • . At this stage . .of the proceedings a witness was prO duced who 'completely refuted the' statement of .the.pri soner, and swore: that on the day in titiestion shc;WAS i going en,,tbe. high-read to l3eSton, and s aw a woman eoming:_over itr,,Overtou's stile, turd: that she -also saw the prisantr,7• but that they never. tame near ode an other, and • that rte communication: did or could fake , -place,between them. Mr. Overton Proved serving - the - prisetier with a guar- , ter of an mince of arsenic, and" he _asked her how they - were:goino to use it ? She'said topoison :mice.", Ile -advised (he girl to be Very cantious:Whereolte put it, aB .it was.highly datAgerouq, and then the precaution. ,of duly. labelling it .with the wdril Mr. Cement& made-a/warm:4l(m examination of both - beaks, and detected arsenic in their stomachs; The houselteePerunderwent a severe cross-eittmina:- tion by the-Coroner, but. nothing could be eliCited . frora, her or the _f a tti e r tb-Criininatt'Any one but, the pr4'ep,Orl .sad upon the -eoroper . itadiess her upon the • verist, which devahed` oii<,'him ih sending:mid so yOnng . in 3:etirs kipti44lt irtd.tiu.trial, she appeared t o ..b' the .Only. one,, in. alt. unusually crowded ntun4e4; indifferent and mute. , chap lain; V i l4 : ; :jh r l i :T x lf i ra ril p e l t l 9_*s ' , ;— . ll . , 4 A' m 'Xe ad A t i t COn ' Fess r lo alinit ti the ih cases ether'parties-_ '• ' • • • • , • - "P I -A l ' . . -- r I ,6 . i r d ,she ki t A 71i..gliiiiri. t tite .. :.,...:i;:vlf7 Ddt*stb" -- 77.;..,.,1: , ,;:, „ ----•;.-. ' . 0,. - ! she vas ifi the faMily. Way. ..I .heard . . .-, ,,„ ~,,:;e Tii2 IN gir,IROYAL. EXCHAXGE.-41:le sale of .the '--.' , child died. I don't ..reepiipc't 4noinsr „to . . :ilk frax;,.,,.... 4:.:_• nceaSi on about ;ScrelLyikvylocic; . - ...l. ll lv ; enFrelrl."'. "`-' 4 I . wit' i ' Monday ; - by 4;wiohleneler.,alZ4 cc°orannicieundeeedd..t°ltte, 'o; , with her to ,Mr;'....X.rir".„-Elar;r7l(l3l:2l9l.4*)tts., It T e ' - "vm&li, l 4.lL.4fClgiittii - kg o 324L444l l ;eteounting Li Abalti S; my !dsterat Exeter "4 , aly_4§l . liitr#, - 13,01AAAS, L. 1 ri. -- I ras .-- er on I .lii - d /i o ...i'r, 007.:tne property isp sed of including the spacious bank -44. met Mr.*Fra,sec at.. :11. we came o ing-house and residence of Messrs. Ladbroke and Co., and - day. At.r...fradt . .4, .. 'cl . .the bill at the hotel in Bath. k->•___ not know, ; wlf4; p I . the - fare corning up. I went down for three other houses. On Monday- next the sale of the next It.-- - ,; the purpose of f• . . ing any sister. She was at school in Exeter. portion_ will be commenced, among, the buildings to be sold """' ,Some f fur b94 = this trial ray sister was living with a Mr. being the Sim F _iie..oiice IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF fOR.I)§; Fib. 22. •Thetio.Rß,dAikat.Lon took his seat upon the Wool sac& at. Fire o'Cleek. FRENCH OCCUPATION OF TAHITI. Lo r d_I3RQUATJA)I, seeing his Noble Friend. the I'l:Oble. , Easkyvh(sAvaa , a(the head of the Fereigh Depart ment;lh-his 'Place s wished to put a question to` him re ..speating.an_oecturence,_which,itiris-stated.in .the .publie newspapers had taken place—he meant the occupation ~1.46 ilk Fien4h of. the . island ;)of,Tahiti: :Ile lasi ( :tio wish to embarrass the Government In its relations with Franel4 by Putting this itheafititi3-btit he Wishid to know whether the accounts which had appeared in the news ',pap-W: of the 'occupation of - Tallith - by ':.the Yretich forces were true, and if his Noble Friend had : received any intimation from - the French GoVernment respecting theoccupationof Tebitiv. -- :-- .-. . - 7 - -i! The Earl of ABERDEEN believed that the -state ments._ which : their LerhipS had seen -in the public papers were correct. 'He . believed that it was perfectly true ..that a . French - naval , force had ;taken Military'possession - ef the ~ island of Tahiti. He had heard of that event with great regret ; :bat he was not yet prepared with such explanations on the subject as the House might-desire. Lord BROUGHAM agreed-with his Noble Friend in ; expressing the deepest regret •at that oceenpatioii,.whith appeared most unadvised : as -.long as..it,,remained tin !explained-. Ile did:mit meantosarbut•that it Might be explained. 1 It might perhaps be disowne& but he could nbt'ennetal his . deep feelings of regret when lie saw that 'midi': a gallant. nation as the Frenah—a nation to be `atinfireili - more especially for its military history --should- bave adopted such a .course as had been .adopted on - the present occasion. He considered that. it,)vaii if f,he _deepest- degtadatien- to any, party to adopt the, tene'Whieli had.been Adopted by the war party:in Yraticoon_tbis occasion:: They were the enemies of peace, and more. especially. of . the, friendly relations subsist pig: between Ftance and this country. -They had alluded to the.oeenpation of this island, as if some great triumph had been obtained by taking possession of this island, Which - was defended by' those Who had been' properly designated as the ,grown children-,the -defenceless chit; Oen, of - tbe &nth - Seats - lands. It was not worthy of }i g . 4l.lA4t natioii to' - make - such , boasts.. _lt was ,t teriesaa..,tbose of Marengo, and 'Austerlitz, and Jena itudWagiani---,(Hear, hear),--.to boast of siich.a wretched kcquisitionras this. ThOsewho made these boasts were hot actuated by any love of Teench military glory in the enlogiiima which they tints bestowed on this wretched acquisition. They did not care one straw fer ,the glory of the French army, , Their .only Objegt wastO excite the passions of . the French, people, so g as ..to mar the prospects - of peace if that were possible; but he trusted that..itotoeld be impossible for any efforts of .such per- Sons . ,as .those. to „whom he . had alluded to mar those prospecti. ::; : . ...... i _ .. -• ' 4I.ESSAGE FROM-, THE` COMMONS, • . .. i Messengers from the.CommonSbrought lip,the Metro-. Doliiimprovenients 'Bill; which, on the - Motion of the uke .of BWCOLEUCH, -was read a fast time. , .. . : _ , .1:. .OFFENCES . AT SEA BILL. • I d'hertflbseiti- - at Sea Bill was read a third time. E, , EA/qity. OF DROMOIIE. •.. .- - I .I Loid:MONTEAIILE; in `rising to move for certain papers - respedthigthe rent apphintment.to the Deanery Of. prothore, would, remind their Lordships 4f- a discus sion-Willa-had:taken place last 'sesSicin respecting.the- ArchcleacorirY . of -Armagh., Ow that .occasion :it ap tared:to ,rhira that . .the :appointment: to- that *Arch eaceury had:teen the acts: of the:Home Government, but he thought with regard to the appointment_ to which he le:as abnutlo direct their L'ordShipe - attention; he should be able teit.o . Ve thatthe - -)lrish Government was. responsible. In the former session it had not heen denied that - the seeommendation of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners for eTaeveraneeof the two parishes constituting the Arch ileaeonrr,Of Armagh had. been...disregarded, and the nly - giontid i Signeil forr - departink 'from, that. recom- PRiatiou ; was , the 'excellent , -private' &exacter of the lAyidnat r iippointed.. It should, be recollected that. the voidanee of that deanery:had-been! the act of the Go-- ernMent ,:itaelf,.which - had- preferred-=the then .-Arcli eacon -to . a bishopric. The emPlunients of the Arch-- cleneekty;arnouitted' to 1,0001. a year, : and - there were pwittilihf 6,oo6 , Protestants . in' each of the two pa r i s h es f which it was cornposed,,and there was no re side n t cumbent. With regard to the Deanery o f D romor e, q Rev. golf Waring had been . recently appointed to tocleanefk - The NOble Lord hub:stated-that that at an appointment without any emolument t. but he Slight. the. Noble Lord 'must' be • mistaken. • Th e i i a deanery , consisted of: two parishes, • 14- miles- by • nine in ~ . xtent; and Containing a large popitlation of Protestants.. he tithes at the time- of the Ecclesiastical - inquiry, afterpayingall - expensei, left a clear profit for the Dean of Dromore or 256/: ' TherefOre,'lwthought that the Noble I.ord ithist laird been iiiininforrned when he stated that the 9 ee,of „the Dean of Dromere Was one without emolument. eN4o l ,_:4Wast, prima,. facia,grbunds 'for believing that he . deanery was not now Without etholtitnents attached o it. , -With- respect to the .:prepriety of the selection, d would appeal' to. the afitherity• - of the -Government tself. He then quoted' ' the. letter written by - Sir Robert Peel," in SepteMberi - 1841; to' the Lord-Lieute nant of Ireland; stating that - in - his distribution of the Ohurch patronage in Irelatellie was to be guided by th e merits, worth, and professional abilities of the candi dates. This letter transferred all the responsibility of such appointinents froMthe Government in Downing-street to the Irish.Governraent. Then, who . was -the gentleman Selected tafill this appOintment--4n a dignity which was Leit to that of a bishop ? 'He:would quote •to their. ordships extracts- Of evidence which • was given before theieLordships . in : 182.5. In That - year; at-the suggestion bfLord - Liverpoel and the 'Marquiii of Wellesley, one of he mOst'setiOns inqUiries that was ever undertaken -with respect to Ireland was commenced. In. , the evidence of ne individual,. taken- befoie that Committee,-there was at recommendation to their Lordships .to repeal the Act bf 1793, "and to take the' franchise' from :the Roman, Catholic's. He said, that this:Might Condoce' towards the' e tranquillity of the ouhtry, - as' it would give confidence and satisfaction Ito the Protesthnts of. Ireland. He said it would. Make the Protestants better, and the Catholics Rio worse. --=(Hear, hear.) The next question put hlin Was, on What grounds be.considered the Ilmhan Catholics were elways found. In: opposition to the Government ?- Ws , ituArer; was, their alnadst :universally being bound by oaths of a treasonable, ,mitnre, :and -, their hi.eritig been convicted of -acting -up to those -oaths , in many instances :th..whirhLlhey had been tried 7 And who as the individual who gave -this evidence?' Why,' hoti: it-e V ... ItolVlVatiiig; - Whom the Government had liemselV't\s selected to be 'appointed to the Deanery of itimeire:-/- Triil.Kbrange ,'documents; presented to the [Committees of 11333 - and" 1'834, the - Rev: Mr., Holt Watint Was: again, fouhd,"'under the name of • Grand Chaplain fOthe Orange Society, the Orange ledge hay- - ling been dissolved: .‘ At the 'present moinent,.he'Under ;stood there were- attempts Making in- the north, of Ire-' nand, to. redoustruct the Orange lodges: ,/le,:therefore, swished to know 'whether.. the appointm en t was: onh ..-- Witheiit 'emolnmentS; • and on • what 'grounds the Government . had• Made' the - appointment? - .lf' men of that description were made the objects of the distribution of Church patronage an Ireland, were • not the ' principles •of 'Sir ,R, Peel's. letter entirely de- Patq944from,?, He. conclgded by moving for copies: of the Orders, for appointing the present Dean of 'Dromore; a return of the parishes constituting therdeanery, and a copy-ref aiy , order subsequently issued affecting the re venues-4:thedeaneryli'litittlishinving the ektiet' ainnunt 'of them at that moment.. .. . .. . 7. 'llie• Earl 4 itYPON' - gaid 3 he sheiild not oppose the to tion of tlie.Noble,l f ord; but he was mistaken with respe& 'to one Oi• *or - Material feetS on Which he had relied. By the**Set,Of 1 34, a pewer was given to the cbareh Voestnissioners ..to_suspend:-_aPpeiutments to deaneries; but by a subsequent Act those suspensions &tad :Eh' removed by: the - simetion, - of ' the Lords Lie utenant in council only; on condition, however, that all the reVenues should be Severed - from them. Th e De a n er y of -Dr miore Was . so..6sPendetl, and' the suspension was, a4ordi . ng : to the Apt, ' subsequently r emove d,' ' but • (wA „:Ovpiiies Were Sei - ered 'from it, and' ; dia tilitited among the SIX vicarages for Ming the deanery. ' The.Nphic.4..ord read *extracts front the speech of .Mr. ' Holt Waring: before :aCernmitte, ,given in 1825, nine teen 'yearS age:. 'His ".Nobln Friend 'had an accurate Memory;- and seemed to have a' scrutinising eye, Ile (Earl ef Ripon) had not the slightest remembrance of such evidence ' having been - K i,ten ; and even, though. those opinions had been, given'm - a 'very solenift inanner, - they 09111d, , npt be scrutinised with .too much minuteness. It wa,s net inaiiywhe 60(1 - Stand the`tesCorstich minute consistency.'.He thoUght it was rather ungenerous to re vive:thiisjst.forgetten transactions; in order to bring a deservitig„itulividual, into 'Odium.. Allusion had been made tolParliamerithry interest having been used in the appciintment, but the 'fact was, Parliamentary interest had-nothing to its Jiiith it. : 'What it Was-that induced the Lord-Lieutenant to make the appe!ititinent was the fait-that a memorial hail been presented from several most influential' individuals - .to the' LOrcis Jhatices in fakour of ll'r::laring . ; -This . gOntlpfnari was' reeom mended 4) fill: , the; deanery because lie was' the oldest beneficed-clergymen-in the dioeise. The Bishop at once confirmed,this appointment.. He thought that sotue'olo serVitiOns.'which.had been made.regarding the character of Mi. Woking,. Were hot just or well founded. - The Duke of WELLINGTON-Besides, he resided in . , . . .. the-neighbatirliood. - • • • ' Earl of RIPON-Yes , , that iS. so. Very few . could "be found to fill.:lhedeanery.: If he were - not misfOritied the - Lord:Lietenant :Who preceded his NOble Relative had offered the apm.ifitthent to a clergyman, who de clined it eh the ground ef,its , being so profitlek. He readillyjohnitte,4 that tlw.R.Onduct of this gentleman had at one time been evidently.enthnsiastie and full, Of . pre judice, but when the resolution of the House- of com mons, regarding the - Orange 'lodges had . been • made known , to the' country, he exerted 'his inflttence to the utmost. to bring- time members . of the Orange - hotly into compliancy with the laW. ' •-, - • .. The ',ll.lailiii*Of-011 7 .gA,NBY sine; that although the profits. f the deanery were net very great, - the labours were : exceedingly- trilling.. In fact, it was almoit a ,siaeoure...... - .lbe ,Noble Earl spoke of perions changing their .opinions. in -. the course of nineteen years.-- .(lleaso heir.) Some., did and.' Some • did . not ! change .them.: 'ilia.: bed •-statedra 'very -strong - 'objection to the appointment of-Mr. Holt .Waring a few'nights ago— that objection he repeated. .- Mr. Waring had attended a -public' Meetin±. - , , ,.at the-head Of a large body . of - men. The"object -oft* meeting was not "as stated by his sloble Priebe], -tb preserve the union; brit, by a: demonstration of iiii.siCill . foti:e; to overawe the Execntive Qovetnment of the, Country.. it was . but . one of the many clerical ap pointments mtnlo . by the present Government since their ,returri to office : which had. given -grave and just offence .to the great hotly , ofthe (.11.thplic ;community. The dig- nities and honours of the Church had heengtven,tonone but the most violent partizans.—(lronical cries of " Hear, . hear," from the Ministerial benches.) While all the Church patronage was bestowed in that manner, it was impossible to mks the Roam Catholic population be- fore inY - sister came he sterics. She had_hystl to — rirecer in January. SI gp_rvip • oacaliptip, tkit Wiett Yral4er and ni el e.4 rnE .StTN, LONDON, FRID = AY E VENI,.N* FEBRUARY 23, 1844, lieg=e that.the GOVernment were sincere in the profes gion4 of impartiality which they had. madea The Noble Earl (Haden) . Who had been Grand Mager of' • the Orange lodges, and whose conduct' had been precisely similar to that of Mr. Holt Waring, had not been ap pointed to the Lord-Lieutenancy of Ireland, yet there would have been:the same consistency in suck an ; ap-- pointment as thit.of 'Mr. Holt Waring to the .deanery of DroMore. . - Lord..WFLAHNCLIFFE—It would have been better if the Noble Lord had refrained from raking up matters Which hadbdetiffed 20 or 211 yearsi 'age. He thottght't4at;. especially at the present time, it was better to forget a these - t:10: HalkWaring had submitted l!eapect fully to the resolution of the House of Commons, and had acted the spir4.7of . .that. resolution. With re-. spec tto the charges made against the resent Govern ment, regarding, Ult i uro appointments . in _lreland, they had not made one t vey . :viere -ashamed of; or which they were not prepared to justify ' . . Lord CAMPBELL obser'ved that the Noble• Earl had stated that 111 i; Holt Waring was appointed at a time when there was no agitationin' Ireland; -•- " -Earl of RIPON-4 did not'say-so. : LortlC-AMPBEfkL-L , YOu said, when there was little agitation in Ireland.- , Earl of RIPON-=What I'Said . was .• • Lord CAMPBELL - 1 -I beg tfie : NOble Earl's pardon ; he certainly' did say that the appointment had ., been made ate time when there was little agitation. IThweVer, I shall be . very happy to hear 'the Noble Earl's expla nation. . Earl of RIPON—Oh, no ! The Neble Lord may say what he likes—l will not interrupt, him. Lord CAMPBELL was sorry if he had misunderstood tho Noble EarL The: Noble Lord had attempted to defend' the Irish Church appointments, but the fact was; those appointments' had_ been very much calculated'to give 'offence to theßoman Catholic population of Ireland. The policy of the GOvernment'and the manner in which it exercised its patronage, had been one otthe causes of the present lamentable agitation and excitement in Ire larid.--4Laughter Cran, the. Ministerial benches.) ''Mr. Holt Waring, siti6e *the year 1825, had expressed semi - Merits against the Roman Catholics as a body- - of a most offensive character. He (Lord Campbell) did not deny that in fspq hp • had 'done his - best te'diseourage the. Orangelodges. So far so well that did not give any . ground for supposing that - he •had changed his opinions with regard to the Catholics-:-that he respected their rights more than he had previously-done—or that be - was live in peace and kindness with them. Thero was TIO evi . de . nce 'that his opinions or his views had beenn - altered ; and he (Lord Campbell) still thought his appointment highly , censurable;'and that the public e as under 'obligation'tp his Noble Friend behind him . for bringing the matter under the attention of the HeuSe. • ' The' Duke of WELLLINGTON would just renal .to the lion. and Learned Lord's reeollettion that which had been stated by a' friend of his, but which the Noble and Learned Lord seemed wholly to have forgotten. And . that *ea, -that :this' gentleman was recommended - for appoietMent to the office he now held. The. chap ter of Dromoi-e had petitioned for an extension to their body, and •the Lords Justices, in compliance with that . petition, had gi ve n th em - th e advantage of a dean to their body. YThere had been a petition fOr this addition to that, clerical-body, and that clerical body itself had re doinitiended Mr. liolt Waring, and solicited his nomina tion to- it 'This- had all been left out of the ease, So necessary.was it to run down the ReVerend Gentleman fbri'What he said nineteen years ago, that those lit tle bUt essential •facts'were entirely left cut of their con sideration by, the Noble' Lords Opposite. . • -', The '3lfirquis pf.,WESTMEATH said, it was the'Ob jectofthe'Noble Leila 61)1306te to get up, if they could,. ti complication of grievances in Ireland, in order to party effect out of doors. In this i n stance he was' far frOM hieing astoni s h e d at what hid taken Afte! / seeing from What quarter the'proeeedingS had come. BUt he begged to -tell, the Noble' L6rdi, oppoilte, that these things were Most injurious to the peace of fire-sides in Ireland. "It was moat- injurious to, the, peace and safety of families, that' all- • these appointments of the Government should 'be -held Up- in. this ,invidiOus Manner. - What could -be More . unfair' than -to allude towhathad taken plaCe four yPers before Catholic emancipation; for the ,purpose of calling down public': odium upon an individual? ;ibthing -but the most un- . handsome feeling could hi+efutgested to take'up what had been Said previous to theteessing of that' measure. When that Bill passed' into a last* they had entered upon a new era, and -from that era Noble Lords ought rather. to judge the acts of individuals than before it.. The 7 Noble and Learned Lord Campbell had said that • the appointment - of. kr. Holt Waring . had been_'.doTi• sidered by the Roman Catholies as an insult, and that it had been a great cause in the prothotion of the cry for repeal. Now he (Lord Westmeath) had 'reed every word that had been published in the newspapers con. oerning the :Proceedings of the Repeal Association,. 'and he declared he had never seen the WY. Dean'anitine ever mentioned - in them. But in what position did the Noble Lord.(Monteagle) stand, who Vit.B then so ready to - attack others ? That was his pesition, he asked, in 'respect of the public purse ? Who was there that could not remember that aortae time ago there was an old man, who' held . a *Patent 'office, with a salary. of 2,000/. a year, and that; old' as he was, the Noble LOrd was afraid he would outlive the tottering Administra tion with which' . the Noble Lard was so 'long Connected ? What happened then ? This old gentleman - was pensioned off, in' order that that Noble Lord might succeed to that patent office before that miserable Government was drlven from power. Those were facts ; and he could not help telling the Noble Lord that, in his opinion; the two words, " Holt Waring," looked -as well attached to this underhand" deanery, Els:ever did those of ":'Spring 'Rice" to a pen sioned _. pe•erage.- . --( At the conclnsion'of theie wOrds t ere were cries' of " Order,' order i" and the Dtike of'Rivh . Rich niond was seen' to go round to . the bench were the Earl of Westmeath sat, and to'enter into conversation with that Noble Lard.) Lord MONTEAGLE said "he `should not say .one. word on the taste which had been 'displaYed ,by the Noble Earl who had last spoken,'nor make any personal observation in reply. to him. He shouldmerely say that he treated with the nipst utter' unconcern--not to use any harsher:or less Parliamentary - term—what had been uttered by . that Noble Lord against hiniself. He 'should of have brought forward' his , present ination -if he had not•thought it his duty to 'do so, Before giving notice' of it ho had 'carefully looked over the rules laid down by n ni c a ia n td with the Sir Robert Peel himself; to. regulate his conductwith re 'he considered ti)e principle and the Conduk gard to Church appointments, and he, had compared the this appointmentit his duty 'to n th 4 4 i t n..doing,so,: his'object had net c worec ß e i :e at l v h e e ein r Zi m .e c i n e oa r d n ;Git u il e o i n t u ll s e teen to say • a nything adverse to that Reverend Gentle- Man, but to get a justification from , the .G overnmeht for their conduct.. Ile, for one, did not regret having made the motion. • = The Duke ,of -,RICHMONP said he did not rise 'to subject, but to speak on the o er a'suggestion on an expression._ or twd. Which in-theheat of debate had un- fortunately fallen from a Noble Marquis on .his From that Noble -Marquis expressions had fallen in the heat of debiite ,which certainly partoOk of a per;_ sonal character, and which, all must regret the use - of.—(Hear, hear,.) Latterly, ip;fle.:,ocpurrences Of a similar nature had:taken place in that. House, which he !Va.'s greatly afraid would` give'reasOn,to the pablie-to say' that. there was not the dignity and decorum which ought ever_ to characterise their ,i;:il;hips' proceedings.--: (Hear; hear) lle asked how could the. country: look u p t o - th e in- with ren)eet . if they did not try to. keep their , tempers, and ota• carry -on their proceedings.with mutual forbearance.aud decorum?--(Hear, heal%) He !really should recommend the lgi)bie Earl t-, say ; that in the-heat of debate lie had . used. remarks of a personal nature, which he.regretted to, have done.--(Year, hear,) The Marquis Of WESTMEATH said, that haying been cAled upon the Nplile Duke (Richmond) iii the handsome way, which he had been, he begged to say he brad no desire to show any. disorderly feeling.in the con duct of the business•of that House. •Ite: certainly did. feel very much as- to the mischief cau s ed in Ireland to the peace and safety 'effainiliej by the constant disclia ;sions on the subjects brought under their noticeby•Noble ;Lords 'opposite. Following, ho•wever, the advice so kindly' tendered to him by - the yobb Duke (Richmond),•he had Ino objection to State his regret, that ; in speaking on.the ;matter beforethe House, he had 'exceeded the. bounds of fair discussion, and that what had fallen from him he re vetted. ) - _ • . , .; • • The motion was then withdrawn by leave, and the IHonse adjouriled:. • r• - • - HOPS.E comillo2vg; Feb. 22. the -. I 6 EAREII, took the Chair at the-usual Several yetitiOns were • presented for leave to,obtain private'Bills.- - ••• • _ • , bir. ESTcovitT:brouglit up the report of the Com.. !mittee on - Standing Orders. ! Mr. W. PATTEN - presented,, a _ petition from : the - Board of. Guardians in Lancaster, complaining of the I operation. of the bastardy. clause of the New Voor ! law, Bill: : • • ; , , , . . • . - Lord , POLLINGTON presented .a petition. from 4 body of lieenSed victuallers 'deprecating , the increase of railways, and prayineto be relieved from the 'burdens; imposed upon them. • • Mr. WILLIAMS presented a petition from Coventry deprecating liar as inconsistent with the spirit of Chris ! tianity, and complaining of the •great expenditure' of, the public money in keeping.tip.a,large standing army. - Mr;,S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from [tech ' dale:, , complaining 'of - inadequate • representation' and other'grievatices. -The 'Hon. Member said ; he felt it his duty to state'that the. heading - of the petition was not in the usual foim. • Jr was addressed' "To the 'representa tives in the Commons House of 'Parliament of the . 950,000 British subjects, who at present postiess the right of 'exercising the electciral franchise." The SPEAKER - said,- that if the House received the petition; it wonktinaply that they,did not represent the country at large. '1 he language not -being respectful to the Ifoli§e, irthe Him.' Member wished it to be received he had -better take the sense 'of the house on the•motiou thatir be brought up. • "- • Mr. S. CRAWFORD -said that . after that intimation he would withdraw the petition. Mr:WALLACE Presented a petition from 2,033 o - pe. ratite bleachers in the west of Scotland, complaining of the mode in which their business is now conducted, as in jurious to health, and praying to be included in the Faefory ' Act. The Heti: G entienian'also presented a petition-from the same place; signed by 4,648 -persons, confirming the statemeatal made in the other petition. He . gate notice that he should to-morrow move that these petitions lie Printed Vith• the Votes, with a view . to uniotion to 'place the petitioners within the operation of the Fantories now befwe tare House. GIBgON , presented' - 'a petition against - thell Gaming Penalties' Disabilities Bill..• -- • r 7 eg th u o ia f t li e l t a h re e h pe th ri e oa c s on fo si r d h er o a ldin tion g o q quarter - i ft ti nd Mr. PAKINGTON said he should; tto,Slpone . :t•.tti f ua li r i t s er ß -s il e l a and boroughs. Dr. DOWRING announced Ida intention of postponing for, a fortnight his motion to call the attention of the llottse to, the: operation of the treaty of commerce with Turkey, upon the commercial interests of this country t Mr. LABOUCLIERE said he should let his motion— " That an humble address, be presented to her Majesfj. representing to her Majesty the great importance to this country of-the .trade , with the empire of the Brazils, and humbly praying her Majesty .. ,t1) . adopt OClnielsiures as may appear bestcalculated to maintain linilimffrove the commercial relations between the United Kingdom and the Brazils"—stand over to this day fortniiht. " Mr; NV44,L4,.VEJ,ilowise p6gtpone4,,his, motion for a Select Committee to inquire into the administraiion of - the crimind laVAWSt,Otland,Atiakfat as relates_ to the• prevention of crime, the reclaiming. of offenders, and thejefkcidzky of pnriishmentS - 4nd_er the prestUt Systetil. IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT.. . Mr. MIME moved for a reti rn. of the number of per sons in prison for debt in the gaols 'of London, Middle hex, and Surrey, and the amount of - the deb.ts for wl4O they were confined,elased undersums of IL, 51:,=101, and 501.—Ordered. . , --T -- - -7 t• :.- TAHITI—FRANCE. ~ • ,- - 7 , . Sir :G'EORGE .Gll'gY said he had aAtiestion to put to the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir. F. - Peel), which was of dongiderableimpOrta'nee. , . It had,beenireported for a day or two past that the French Admiral, off the island of Tahiti, had.taken possession of it ,in the named Frence. He had already alluded to the question ; and. since he had done se t _ the. subject had assumed a very, painful aspect, and:had nO. doubt attracted the notice of her Majesty's :Government. Full - and apparently most authentic accounts had now appeared, in the public paper's, stating that' the Freneh,protectorete had tereni. natedthat the- island had been taken .pesSessiOn of, by the French stationed ..off there * , and that the native Queen hiul been forcibly deposed. •He , wished to ask the Right Hon. Baronet, it the Government had received any information on this :subject, :and if -so, whether he could, consistently . ' with his sense of duty, put the - House in possession of that infOrmation.?—(flear,.hear.) . -Sirit..PEEL felt obliged, ,for the . private intimation, given to him by the Right Hon. Baronet, of his inten tion to put this queition. -When the question was phi to hire the other" night, accounts appeared the next day, stating the facts now adduced by the, Right,..Hon.taro-, net. Since that period; it vessel had arrived—probably: ~ the same vessel - which -brought- the - early --in formation alluditt te-L-bringing full.diSpatehes from,. `the ' British 'authorities in the island .of Taf hid : to the Governinent at' r he.rne.. :He' . believed. the accounts were .received, , : Ile believed Abet' the Ereifeli - Admiral ' in' those . seas. had, taken possession of the island of Tahiti, and that the native Queen. had been deposed.--(Hear, hear.) .All he. could at present , .say upon the stibject was, that he greatly;lamented what =had taken place.—(Loud 'erica - of " Hear, hear," from 'eVery part of,the,liotitie.)' He . :bid "nd:rekiien .et pre-,. 'sentto believe thetwhat• had taken place was ; with the: . . previous sanction or under instructions sent out. by the . French _OovernwOht. 77 -(4*.) :pot ' the Government had put itself into communiCatiOn.with • Erance7iiiiiiii - the" sebject and, under all the circnnistances. of: the case, he theughtit better to say no More' at that - moment, and he :doubted.not the House would approve this course. He would take, the first opportunity, ' when he could speak with propriety; to give' to the : House - every niformitiori upon 'the subject which he might be .able to de.--(Hear,hear.) . ... '' ' . 'GAMING' AND. SPORTS - COMMITTEE. At kheireqneat 'of - Mr, More - oTerrali, and :with -the sanction. -of .Sir- Robert Peel, - Mr. Martin , Blake was placed upon this Coiriiinitee.. in the rOom Of Mr. Mime, Who voluntarily- Seceded from it, in order that an 'lrish Member might, be. attached to it. ; . _ ' ' '' " ' 11i - AsTtit AND. :SERVANT. ' Mr. MILES brought up a. Bill :for the: amendraent,of the laws relative to master and-servants, which was read a' first time.' '- - • . . • -.- . - • ' Lord - CersinsTs'and‘ Mr. -POwiks. severally-postponed- Motions...till, another day; in ',Order to.give precedence to the adjeurned , debete en Ireland., : - .. '- ' ' On the inotion. that the Order ..of the Day, for re sliming the adjourned debate be read, . . • Sir R. PEEL said it'Veas itthiSable that some arrange ment should be Made respecting the termination of the 'debate. - They were now approaching the close of a fortnight since its commencement,- and it was impossible to . foresee,_ from the `aspect it at present presented when it would lie brought to a conclusion.:: He was unfortunately in the position of being one of the speak ers, and he was. perfeetly ready ~to make: eny.arraiige- Ment ors the subject. , _He wished -to learn - whether it was intended that the.debate should,end tonight. 1 Several Hon Members On the Opposition aide of the House rose_ and, exelaimed7—" To-morrow , night," The Right Hon. Bart. then sat dowp.., - . • On-the Speaker putting the- , question, Sir Valentine Blake rose several times to address, the House,: - but,-the 'order not having been read, he_ was compelled to sit down Maid ninth laughter. .c - ' • . - ' -,. -- •., StA,TE OF IRELAN "Day DEBATE. ' , . The Order- of the Day for the commencement of the adjourned debate having been read, - ' Mr: MAURICE OVONNELL . said. he should riot' - - . ,• detain the' House long,' and' e should confine himself at much'as possible to certain statements -Made by: the Attorney-General for Ireland. At the commencement of' his'speech the Right - lion.- and Learned Gentleman thought proper to attack the traversers with respect to. their conduct'' towardithe ' Government reporter ' Mr.' Bond 'Hughes_ Now, the case with respect to Mr. Bond Hughes stood thu6:—lle lodged an information that at qs -• ceitsiiri . dinner - at .- Mullaglimast,. he. saw - Mr.. Barrett,..and. he stated that :Mr. Barrett spoke there.: -He 'further swore that heafterwards saw. Mr. Barrett at a t meeting - held in : Abbey-street, and.that the day after the proclamation _against. the meeting at Cloet. tarf, he ''saw. Mr. 'Barrett on the • evening of . that - day. at . a dinner •at : the - tßotunda, and that Mr. Barrett spoke at that dinner. On. the ith or ' 1 fith ; of - October the traversers attended 4 . .. .. at . the chambers of Mr. Justice - lurton, to. ptit Site bail. '•- Ainong• • those • traversers was Mr.-. .11sTrett, and kumong the 'parties -attending' was the-- grown witness, Mr. Bond Hughes.. Mr. Hughes went tbere for the express purpose of correcting an error as to' the„naine'' of the traversers; the Rev. Mr. Tierney and the ' Rev.' . Mr.. Tyrrell. :He then saw- Mr. Barrett, and. in the: course of; his evidence, stated that heneither 'sit* Mr: Berrett - at the Rotunda nor at the Meeting at Mullaghinast. Subsequently ii summons was served on Mr.. Bond Hughesto apPear at thepolice- Ofice, to answer a complaint of wilful- and corrupt per, ,jery,' but 'Mr. Kenn - ins never ,alluded to -the statement made by Mr. 'Hughes; at the Judge's_*.ehambers ; but suttered , him . to' remain - . under ~ the . impute tion of ferjury. • On' the' 3d or- 4th day. of term a Writ of • niciadizinas was applied. for. . No ,men tion was made, on the •part of the -Crown . soli citor, of the fact that Mr. Bond Hughes had committed at iniatake. Now he (Mr. INL O'Connell) thought they could not entirely acquit Mr.-Bond Hughes. for allowing pplica se g'ravett charge as perjury to -hang over him, when it Was obviously . his duty to take the ' first oppor • Amity. of Meeting : it. But he was .a Crown witness, and - it must -be supposed that he . was in . -the hands'f6cewhetherr s - oc contented 'the ii). tweni wits s w customary fthemselves, officers tom i t • r i o .r. f , t9 t he , . , t r granti t C h r or l suche is resisting ii n rule;. t Those l he e a i on - for_ - the 'mandamus moved for on . the part .of thg officer of the :Crown,. felt privileged to oppose it. The ight Hon. and Learned Gentleraan• had spoken-in terms most laudatory of the Irish Bar,..and 'he (Mr. M. O'Con nell) thought it equal to that or any . other country, but still he could not help reiterating . the question put by the lion. Member for Worcester, as 'to ' whether - the 1 similar circumstances as the Irish Attorriey-Gencral had done, • Ile (Mr. M. O'Connell) •would ask- the' Right Hon. and LeareedGentlernan, the Attorney-General for y England, how he.wduld have assertkesifeh aprerogative? th a a v t e r t a ii e e r s o , radnlndtrhey practice allowed ia . i the gh t t p, charge fio, bl t i o t h i e i a , n as g - clii over d r. BOnd Hughes from• the 16th of October until, he- as . examined as a 'witness on the trial, when, in lie course.. of ' cross-examination, it was elicited rem' . him 'that' he" had . committed • a . -mistake: e thought-the onlje:hiame that could bo attached to - Ir,, Bond Hughes was, that he allowed the matter. to , eat' In the hands of the Crown solicitor instead of taking t up himself and 'Placing it in its proper light before the' bliblic. The moment-it was-placed in its-proper, light eforethe public, that 'moment the obloquy 'which had . een' east apep. 3f . r.:_•,Hilies ceased. 'The Right' Hon and - Learned, Gentleman , (the -Attorney-General. for. Ireland) had alluded much in his speech to the caption bf. the inarctinent; and, tried to explain - his Motives or refusal. He' (Mr. M.' O'Connell) was' sure .' that'. [ i t. . was as ,unusual to' refuse. an - application of this ature in Ireland as- - it was in England: When he matter Was brought, before Mr. Justice Perrin, he at once concurred in the :propriety of allowing the tra versers to haVe a - caption of" the indictinent: Again, the traversers being allowed to traverse, a four -days' rule :Wee moved, .but the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman demurred, and -eventually, after - Mitch' dif fieuitY, the traversers suoceede - d'in 'getting the rule: When•• the Chief Justice asked the Attorney-General Crown replied, - Attorney-General for England would . haVe acted under The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman (the Attorney- General for .Ireland).liad cOmplaini3d - that the' traversers, through, their, agents, had resorted to every meanS'—eieti the most frivoloes—to procure. delay, and frustrate the objects and ends qf ' the prosecution, but - he - (Mr. IM. O'Connell)' contended - that the interests 'of the tra verses i...erati . mpvely deniended thateotirse to be pursued, and every step which had been taken had been taken according' - to the strict letter Of the law, - In . Eng land the - practice 'had invariably been -to ' affOrd every facility tothe traversers for preparing their defence ,by supplying a caption of the indictment, and every other dOcttmet'4 • opy. might' ' requite. -Ile should next 'alltide to another point in thoSe trials: . when 'the bills _were before the - grand jury 'it • was proposed to alter it misnomer,: and upon Mr: M‘Donough resisting the application,- ; the.. Attorney General' ..called upon M'Donough, who was a Queen's COunsel, to pro. duce his license to' act as Counsel , for the traversers. He . ..thought such. a demand did - not; ' at least, tend, to . raise' the, Right Hon. • and ' Learned Gen tleman',ln the - estimation 'of tho Irish bit. The Act of Parliament. provided that no person w ho was not on the list should be placed thereon, unlesS he himself gave notice of his name not appearing on the. list.' And the Act of Parliament further provided' that no person's" name, which was' already an the list should be taken off without notice being , given to that person. .. The. course pursued by the traversers eas .therefore strictly,:legal. - The Right Ilon. and Learned. Gentleman, the Attorney-General for Ireland, last night, when he stated that. the attorneys for the traversers . were admitted:. to examine the - notices'' of objection_:_ to :the jurors, omitted, to state' that other attorneys and counsel, by whom re t a i ne d the traversers knew not,. were 'in attendance to obje c t to any nemestlie traversers- might propose to be placed 'on the lists. . They managed their, affairs very well, for the traversers never could ascertain by who m they - had been retained. When the Attorney-General last night denounced the conduct of Mr. - Alahoney, he omit ted to state this t faqt, that counsel attended on both 'Sides. He, however, did not fail to cast an iniputatiOn upon a gentleman, against whose character he (Mr. M. O'Connell) never before had heard anything ,attitett, 'he meant Mr. M'Grath, who had the fortune, I or tre - allisfortune as the case might be, to he a Catholic. The Attorney-General insinuated that this gentle man had been corruptly influenced by Mr. Ma hOney;',aticl 'that :he: had shown . more favour to the Araierseri - than' to the • officers of the 'Crown. -ow, he believed, the practice was that the list should rematniii - the ogee three weelis,dUringiiliielinll patties should be entitled to a personal inspection. The attorney for the traversers applied at the Oloae of the revision for -.permission to compare his list with the list of the Recorder, in order to see whether his ,hOas -- .,were correct. • There was no great con _cession .in granting ...such a request.. He was in 'form'ed'" that the same permission would be given to the attorney fur- the traversers hiid 'he applied for it. Per mission _ had been given to ' inspect four of the .parochial` 'Bata, and when the fifth was applied - for; -it was stated' that it was ' gone to - the Recorder:- Up 'to that moment he believed no corruption„, could lie charged: either against Mr. M.‘Grath or the,attorney for the treversers. The Right Hon. Gentleman (the Attorney-General) said that on' _the,partof the Crown frequent application was Made forthe book. This was never stated however on ,the trial, though it ought ,to have been, if it were' intended to -have made any statements . at all. 'lt ought then-to have been stated that the traversers had enjoyed an advantage • which was _denied to the Crown: -As it was, they, had :only the,. hare statement •of the Attorney- General. `From the 3tt of January the Sheriff had twelve clear deys in Which to niake out his list. Now, if the Attorney . General was so anxious to obtain' a copy of the jury: lis', he - had it in his power to - - do so., Immediately ' on. the return of the Recorder 'an _ application was' made to .him' on the part of the traversers for copies of tbe jury list. The Recorder said •it wits net in his power to grant it, but'•recommended an Application tattle Sheriff. This'application was made, but the Sheriff refused to -grant it without : -the consent' .of the Crown s but that consent was withheld. ,The only tiuie thelist could be'of advantage, 'it was refu'sed. When an application was.made to the Reeorder to have. the names that were omitted placed upon the list:, he replied that the - : power for' that purpose was_only_ pess.essekt_bY._ Ow Crown: ' The letter announcing: the Circumstances w : -s written ITS , :7IIi: - M•Grath, the clerk of the Crown, both the Hum-, ney- for the traversers, and the attorney for the 'Crown. The Hon. and Learned Attorney-General for Ireland had in vain att , ,anpted to fiaten a charge, .or rather to throw out an imputation, of corruption against Mr, *Grath. , No imputation whatever ' had ever be-., -fore, been heard of against this gentleman ; and he' (Mr. M. O'Connell) did nut think it would have been so in that House but fora the ' opportunity which was offered tO;thkilitorney,General of throwing some ,thinguntagainst a Roman Catholic. He (Mr. M. O'Con nell) ' waS - liot going 'into the 'proceedings at the trialhe' should not Condescend to ' say anything. of the. conduct either of the Couusel or the Judges. Those...matters had been a good deal discussed aiready,,and they would be a good deal more discussed yet, and a .light. probably throWn titian thein, 'which heretofore had not been done. The Attorney-General had et last obtained what he had se. anxiously toiled fer. - -his verdict, but a verdict of ' a very question able character.=(Hear, hear.) - But the Learned Attorney- , General - himself admitted that the right-of -ap— peal existed ; and most assuredly the exercise. of, that right would -be ClaiMed.—(Hear, hear.) ' But of what Table: was , the verdict to theM now they had got ,it? Amongst the six millions of people who had been charged .with being present at theae ornater meetings, was there one: individual who had been'deterred—was there one individual who would be deterred--4rom seeking the re.;. peal of the union by these legal proceedings?--(Hear.) -The NationalA.ssociation was.still in eitistence-Hthe Re peal rent .still flawed in. Thc'ainount collected for the last•week was 5001.; .for the week before that 600/.; for - each week in the fortnight previoui to that 5001.; and for _the week before this, period it was over 9001. He had - PrOnicied ' the , louse. , not' ,to detain' it; and he would - keep his promise. -His- only - 'object . had been' . to, ex - pose some of ' 'the fallacies in the ingenious,' htit. not very candid, speech of the: Hon . and Learned AttorneyrOeneral. He had only one word to add before . he sat down. Let. the cense ' qneneesibe what they. Might to the, traverser; they could . mot_ off_ - ect the cause or progress of Repeal. They had not . succeeded' by ' progress ' or trial, and they would nott - succeed by force in hushing `,the demand for a repeal of the unioh—they had not de layed-its-advent -for one moment, and they would not do so, let them seek by whatei er means th e y lik e d to do so . • !Mr. Sergeant MURPHY rose to explain. He said he understood tbat, during hii absence, the Right Ron. the Attorney-General for Ireland had nude allusion to certain observations which ' had fallen from him (Mr. Sergeantlfurphy). lie could only say that no one could' rejoice more sincerely than -he did, that in what he had stated he had been mistaken.—(Hear.) He had taken his information from the public papers, and Upon that . ,anthority he had fearlessly spoken. Ile could only add that he thought the Right Hon. the Attorney-General Aulglit congrattilaWhimself, upon the mistake that" haoccurred, for it enabled him.to Prove himself a most -able' and accomplished debater in that-Houie. ' ----- - Air. GREGORY said the Hon. Member for Edin /la'gh had use of 'the expreSsion that Ireland ' was ;always combuStible, although not always, on fire. 1; ie could haie" wished that the. Ron. Gentleman had re . liTeted upon that sentiment, for he (Mr. Gregson) had -never heard a f speech in that House which - vras more cOeulated. to , effect .that corninistion of ehiCh the Hnn. ember had spoken, than the speech of the'llon. Gentle n himselE--(Cheers.) That speech was a mere re -4 , t scitation of all the- bitter wrongs tinder which Ireland -hid ever stiffered. These wrongs had now_passed away,_ . andAierefore no good could result from 'any attempt to 11-back- the-reeollectionof them.--(Cheers.) . The:H. n. . gentleman who had.just sat downhad commented upon. ae conduct of the Irish AttetnepGeneral in alluding to ,rz,....h: . He' (Mr. Gregory) did not believe that - his Hon. end Learned Friend meant to attach any - stigma - t4 the name of Mr. 14I'Grath: his II on. and Learned • Friend..(Mr. Shaw) had also repudiated any such inten tion. What those Hon. and Learned Gentlemen had said Was; that a strong impression existed in Dublin that blarne,was.net to be attached to the law officers of the • Orown, but to those persons who had Obtained access to the ogee or alt. ISl‘Grath.• Allusion - had been made in the course of this 'debate ti,) the state of, the elective Oanchisein Ireland. ,lt had been stated that the-re -restriction of, the franchise in Ireland was owing to an unWillingness on: the '' part or the landlords to- gra n t` lettsi-s. - This was not the case. The reason' was an un :Willingness on the part:of the Irish, petisanta to - register - themselves, on account of the power that might be brought against them in the etxerciae ,of . that franchise , by the Irish priesthood. They Noble Lord, the Mein , - her for London, in alluding ,to the .state of the Irish, franchise, had stated, on the authority of Mr. O'Connell, that 'the registered electors of Yorkshire were - equal in ' number to the registered eleetors . of all the counties in Ireland. Now he •had not supposed that in the eyes of the•Noble,Lord population was the only basis, of repre- . sentation. If it were the only basis,, why did they, not propose to alter the constituencies of England.—(Hear, Beer.) Why should .Tamworth • with its 300 electors 'hake the. same weight and' influence in 'that House as Birmingham, with its = 5,000,. or Manchester with its • 6,ooo.—(Hear, hear.) Why did he not- adopt the Chartist propositiOn, and divide England at once into 20,000 districts.? l --(Hear,.hear.). He svould remind the Heuse of the words of the Noble Lord the Member for sunderland, who said that theyinerensedthe-frarichise in Ireland they would • only be putting. weapons in the hands elbow who.were the friendsof reland. In his (Mr. ,Gregory's) opinion by increasing the constituences 411 i-eland 'they would be putting weapons not into the' hands-of those who were the friends'of Ireland, but of those-who had-established and- were.continning agitation its that 'country.—(Hear,, hear.) ~ With respect .to the Established Church; , another monster grievence— (Hear, hear, from • the Opposition) —he was happy • to • - say that. had received two - assurances in that House which convineed.him that that Establish- Ment was not destined to .be overthrown. Ilertferred to- the ' assurances •Of .the •Noble . Lord. the Secretary for the Colonies, and of .the Itig,ht,Hon. Baronet, declaring that it :was their- intention to abide by that institution. •--(Cheers.) He believed that were this question left to the : exclusive legislation of • Hon. Members opposite they Would find considerable difficulty in settling it: He rould not but refer to the: statement, that the Catholic eligion had - been stigmatised as false and idolatrous. e begged to say, in reference to that subject; that having. been entrusted.with a petition,, containitig. inn page of that description, and having forwarded it to the tight 'Hem' Baronet, the Secretary 'of State' for the Horne -Department, for presentation, he received. a few lays afterwaids, a letter from the Right Hatt. Baronet, toting that he did not consider it his duty to pre 'ent her Majesty : with an address which breathed sentiments so disrespectful to a large portion of her 'subjects.—(llear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.) It had been stated that the present Government in Ire land was as - government by the sword: If it • were so, 'let the' blanie rest with those to whom-this state of things I. was attribUted. '1 he idea of repeal was not a mere ab 'street love - of having a Parliament on College-green. It was no vague speculation of a band .of enthusiasts.; ' . but it was ' the focus in-which centered all the wrongs , and grievances of Ireland. - It was the murmur of the ICatholic prit Os against•2the Established Church, whieh , they were determined to overthrow. It was. the corn !plaint of the poor man, who was driven to that extrernitr I that any change was hailed as an advantage to him. They might rest assured that •the agitation would con tinue,-and the House might depend on it that the priests and agitators of that country. Would continue to demand !from theM what they could not conscientiouslygrant, ,' and what wouldbe indignantly refused by the Protest ants and Dissenters of .England. . .Mr. - 111 4 .:LLEW - :-Said he considered Tibia in the - late - State trials . - the Roman Catholics of Ireland had been most unfairly treated,' and also that the traversers had been unfairly dealt with. He considered that the Irish 'franchise was most unsatisfactory. It should befounded, he thought, upon some test of rating or valuation, which' would' place it 'quite, out of the- power of either of 'the 'two great parties into which the country was divided.. .Ile certainly cotild not speak very flatteringly of the course ptirsued . by the Noble' Lord- who had brotight in the Irish Registration Billor say. .that .it was likely to increase the 'respect in which the-character of a stater man should be held,. There was one thing be felt bound . to acknowledge, that-he considered the e dministrationf justice at present, was • superior to that of the p_e r rid . during which -the Right Hon, Baronet opposite._(si .14 Peel) was - in power in 1831. The appointment abe stipen diary magistrates had conferred incalculable wernoeafita Upon-Ireland, , and he carednot whether th t. ey ,, or p pointed,b.v a Whia...or,4 ,Tory•Adininistre it o f theymatter were'ri? better -titan'lhe'tilip-aidlitagistrates, 1 what might be their politics, inasmuch as they were obliged to render an account of their conduct to a supe rior tribunal, lie ccrtaizily, AS a Catholic gentimani - r -r q? - w..uld say that he was cot 'er lowly • obligationsa ' the citurte.y shown. by the Nobie Lord, the.444 1 1' for the .Colonies,, when he was ,ulluding to . t ° oath presented to be taken Roinan.-,Catholies!„ The Government. might depend , that thi n agileitifif J °' 'the reficar Of the union would -never • cease tittltt 50 0 alteration -- .wa,s • ,made-,--tvithDtesPect. ti4e4 l 4t 4l)lisileati ta Church in Ireland.,--Theyibught - to.endeavour Ao such an arrangement,„ai, Kovld . give_ satisfaction to-the three great denorainatipps;',o lieland..l. cios' accomplished agitation in ViNland would continue. Ever"' one seemed to agree that—some alteration-in ,the 1 2 're" testant Establishment in Ireland was neces4ry, n ad.,y o • no attempt was• Made to, :efft. cu t ee alteration.: n ° glad that the Landlord.andlenant Commission had bee° . appointed, because • felt that it would film -ptiblic attention to, the subject, He believed that the Comm is : sien hatt been appeinted by . the Right Hon. Baronet the First Lord pf the Treasury in good .faith, with th e into: , tion of improving the relations bet Ween, landlord Rn tenant. The present system was fraught with theJii°"::. frightful, evils. Most of these evils were attributed tvv -the - landlords; but this was not just, for he ,knew th;, there were many landlords who would • imp rove the' estates if they. possessed the means. At the Wile he knew that there were many landlords who did poss e 4 the means, but who did not possess the will. He thong", the-relation •' of landlord and tenant and the ChAte" question were the two most important questions With spect to Ireland that the Government could turn,the.. attention t what Mr. LIDDELL.rose to express . his regret 8. n had fallen from. the Hon. Member for NorthamP te- ' ',; shire (Mr. S. O'Brien) he other-ni,ght,, wit]' relP ec a the conduct of the. Nobk Marquis who, was the .late th e Lieutenant of Irel.nd. lie was ; sorry to recal. to. 1 . • IlOn..Gentleman's recollection thewords which he h011y.,• used, The. Hon. Gentleman, in the Coutse of hiji _servations, had said that the Noble Marquis during or. administration in Ireland had mad. theatrical - an d 0 5te a,,1 ~tatious displays. Ile (Mr: Liddell) . was reard t ° „,,. ° mit that in the. progress of the Noble Marquise hr (h wa the coentry,. nt the . time the prisoners were liberatei. without the intervention of judge or jury,_ he tlid.,.h e ,4 sonic indiscretion.. He (Mr. Liddell),, however.. I'll - that the office of Lord Lieuienant of Ireland had -fl e o ' re . 4 been slled - withifiore becoming dignity,. or Nvitb 11 bler; satisfaction to the Irish people, than it was by the N° Ma - rquis..s.—(Cheers.) • He might saw that the dilti,c s ,o -, the' office.. had- been performed with dignity o'o o ostentation, or. Kith tiff& dlity without affectation...,A .1 private charities; of the Noble Marquis and his i r li t 'r • were only limited by the opportunities afforded fOr , "" ei s t exhibition. Many were the perseus in the 'far .1, of Ireland who had telt the ber.eticial .effects Noble. Mtirquis' kindness.—(Cheers.) , Th•os°.„ ..Jf these whom the Noble Marquis had 'found in. s j a t he butleil in freedom, were ready to blesS the name 7 ,t0 Marquis of Normitnby.—(Cheers.) With resPt• o n. his appointments, they had given general satism,3oo.. Those appoinitrtents. were, always most carefull sidered.by the Noble Marquis, and were always °*Pjf f ifi ofil;irith the greatest propriety. .He (Mr. .Lidd e Nti ; .' • bound to say thus much in vindication of-the .toble ' found to say thw. lue,. in o ld ' quis, for he was unwilling that his defence , '••-e amt. tirely rest•with gentlemen on the other side of the" • ' " Absentem qui rodit arhiciim ; Qui non . defendit,. alio culpante ; solution 'Qui captat risus hominum, famamque dicacis Fingere qui non visa potent ; commi-sa tacere et i ). o Qui nequit;'hiOniger est; hunetu; Romane, With respect to the question befoie the House, he „soliP . merely say, thatany accusation that had beenbr°eTad by Hon. Gentlemen on - the other side of the He ° oa been fully met, and he was happy to say that tbeioulcl vernment had received as full a vindication as the,' t heir. ' desire; and he had to congratulate them 0 10 10 triumph in argument, as he had no doubt he - sh oo: have to congratulate them on the result ofthe tl , "0011 , Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN could assure the, he 'Gentleman that,' in the remarks he had 1 114 ," c i,frir. had. meant nothing discourteous to the late Lor," not tenant of Ireland. He could assure the Hon.. Il e &f ist man, that he had never intended for a moment t° ft bst. the slightest reflection .upon .the private character.% Noble Lord. What he had said was, and he stl car ry heral to the opinion,' that, in letting out the P r theV in Ireland, thie u Xeble Marquis had proceeded in ; e t, • trical manner...l as-though he wished to make an e „f the Mr: HUME Thought that the administration - s f a c- • Noble Marquis in Ireland had given perfect . . tl b a ts flea to parties, and he was sure that in sagbiold he, should be borne out by the whole people of by He wished he. could - say the same thing of Whom he had been succeeded. With respect to t je bt,.• fence set up by the Irish Attorney-General last he must say,that he had utterly failedin convincl (Mr. Hume) that the course which he had adcl'iteji,a4 free from blame. Mr. O'Connell had a right teuexcag that the jury panel should be quashed. It wasiw %est° 00, to say that if it had been so quashed, all other c e°- . be tried during the year would have been affected' he Mr. O'Connell to be punish e d b ecause an erff - been committed which would affect other trials? .v c o tle' Hume) considered that th e H o n. an d Learned u,Fa not man-hadutterly failed in hi s ex pl ana tion. wish to revive the recollection of past grievance s ese a . ,t'. he more particul ar ly w i s h e d t o a llud e to we re the Pr co) ,ed It-might be said. that he was not an liishnian. 5° l b jeci s ' 'upon the people o f th a t c oun t r y as h is fellow - I , W Ireland was a part of the British empire, and a rn9 5 ,., 091 1 ° unit .pOrtant part. He had always opposed " :tion, because he considered • that if - the •• - • it' was fairly carried out, Ireland must be benefited by The poor country was invariably_ the better by `toys` connected with the rich one. What advantage' " e rg land had gained by the union ! Incalculable advant li f e 0 and if Ireland had been treated on the same princiP o y Scotland she would be now happy and flourish, i 7; o ll; We (Hear, hear.) The lion. Gentleman then quo . " the speech of King George the Third at the oPe i ',ZY Parliament, in the year iAOO, in which his 1 ‘ most cordially congratulated the House• on ~'"'„ =vancernent of that measure, and said that nothing o f tl O • be to well calculated to increase the prosperitY empire, and his Majesty's speech led the Irish Pe e .r o , '. expect that they would front the time of the . ti°! ie ge . i 4 C. participators in all the institutions, rights, pro' `)o'. and advantages - of this country.---(Hear,' hearol,9 'Pitt said that the Irish people should Pe r , t ' n ue, every 'solid benefit • and every eminent alj e so that could result. from so important a tm ion.- -- ' , ,„bel l •The Hon. Memb-r for Dublin said, that Hon. M e- , t on that side attic House were always talking' a b° t , 3 o o _,' grievances of:lreland, and that even if.the.rt v o - t el i t r i, Church Establishment re destroyed in .that' i l, (P c : there would be still complaints of grievances.' Hume) considered thu t the Irish people: 1int . ..99:1 a ti right to complain, but that they ought to.conip . "'d: every grievance was redressed. 'I he majorttf eeje. es, people of Scotland had the Church Of their! 001; The people of Elie land . had. the Church che r `.o but the Irish people were obliged to support tt,.. c ot esi c i' of the minority: It was urged that the -ri o t,o' Church had been-guarranteed by the union, an te should a Church be supported, however- gu,; ( o i e l which did : not bring peace among mankind ? ~ possible that. the Irish people could be sa tisfie", e Church as it -stood. It was astonishing Yiti w vib i o . • Gentlemen, opposite found the documents f rc ' t O c se , .they t quotecl - ---they always seemed to susPe c IP° o f • nients read upon • that side of 01 15 . 1 0;.. lint he would now quote from the ; `' - no of : 6 ; According to that census, the popula t , i 'dit'l'or land was as follows:—Roman Catholics, .Pk t ern i efi • Protestant, _ - Episcopalians, 752,000 ; rr e , s „i: c1 0 ,:od• 642,000 ; Protestant Dissenters of all . ct"' d 121,000: The Established Church in Ire's% . te r , i . smg, from the public money, 806,000 L ; the • PF e5 deft 4.5;000Z ; whilst - the • Roman Catholic Chore , viP::•,l • cite, ..,1 only 8,9284 the miserable grant to Mx) It ,ca s. ' t er 'was many years opposed.—(Hear, hear.) had ° c ol' . this was a party - question ; he (Mr. Huinel., t hst treated it so.- •. He had-been always of the Par l ' i J e l eto A " e i voctited those rights for. Ireland to which het' Ze" titled:but 6.1 opposed the Whigs in 1 , 8 14 ' the • rgf brought forward measures of coercion. Mt.,,iotfr'is vernment treat Ireland properly—let thew tioiPl e P her in the same manner and on the 1310 3 '7 The....lia for Scotland, and there would be no tigiteti°P-..."wece was, the Tories mho refused :Ireland its-rigt) l tat yc agitators, and the- Preurier,fts the head 0 1 ,4 ttteß" was the prime agitatot,i-VOOO Once more respeeted,ci&ja4twv..7 , ito ' for 61 04 the occupation ;of Othefiry! , was acklk. The first measure which lijActiught ourea&al.i.o4 by the Government would be with ravv i t oe 4e_ O A , v) );,-t7buto. trolaaj,i oes, Lieutenant from leeland, and have the :bus' t h e 5 0 ,,j eOuntryttAnsacted in the 'Same -inan ner l'A;;t 4 affairs were, 'i M n . London. In -- a i o us e , t - A .1 11 brought a motion to that effect before the irun long dlcussion ensued and , • •115• Mera be " o ver° l- oar favoui' of the measure. Let not Ireland be.g; ' 1 ) 0'4 0 1 the.same way as Canada, but let her e v es il to O S MOI as constitution • and right,. and be able her a ir t is of the,s - ame talent in the administration er ck , o 6 fi er ort k, England had. For his part he would ma P th , to a Aecretary of State in England than L ., u ) a bwe rro o Lieutenant, for it was the nature of Inan i r st oce which he was delegated to exercise at a " he unie'but fit t " "Beef I 01 the fountain head.' Ireland had had e 0 Own boards of customs and other reven t e th e t he they were all swept away now, and Whf' o u l y °` o 34p • of a Lord-Lieutenant ? Ile knew that , b.) In for peers would bitterly 2 oppose b iu otion vo iviiv: when Mr. O'Connell brought forward t he .. " . Select Committee to inquire into rePea was r ot and its probable effects if carried, he c an amen Weir' Spring Rice (now Lord Monteagle) with.tiuse to -tal. expressive . of the intention of .the • . 1 ;;; i0 e) taut the union,' but at the sate Ri m e to . y., the grievances of Ireland. „,, e k n • re 4F . e2 0 `; 73 litnild ask had those grievancesTa:tesehtecci; 'On the 2d of February a petition _I:1r .ofif meeting in Dublin, demanding; an . ti c ( ( l l. l ff el i' llo hee..c!f ti re religiens.rights,-but.that petition h ki _ P e erl. 11:6 (Mr. Hume) had his Will, he should_7 - a ro a llow_ a t ,c• property to the education of the pep , Pi_e ,aid his o h W e ll ot o:' man to pay his own clergynian b as r l e in Vrench arm)' the . t`'' mannertor. li:ealsanAdlgleviaisa g w a a r s ris b o y ne t d i?e jed gent ;10101. a ouTd rn do lu ' i vi Y i th ti : e o Pr n• sl -'l i c e l; • ( I .o v a u s ii s t ( r i i r e r s ) . - to w se h e at so t t e r;a s t h cuMbents Would be to put them opal t he _ a r t Fund during their lives, and at 0 1 - ",7,, e u pp o il fi c_ t grY reduce the 00 , 0 0. ityleopeedrutymituidnthoefhtrihneds; e o o f p G ie o . b.e Once. The next step should be to n , iv th , t6 to tho forceS, ,send the navy into dock, a ,e a,% t.nj en lv , w ith of a million and a half saved in thes A, iod! difliisioncotllltrY_ischie • .the evil' .o e f ff ' e ee d ti t . s c a t o i f on a : •mliihitaitsrywoouledutplitayti3on" o f lrte,,, Everything which had been done r o w-itli thr l s i t y , ti t s h e e ' present Government had been (At this moment Sir Robert P a e ti c ti l len s ed a ne i te d d , r intin c g ot o a and the Hon. Member for lolontrose abiefs Hon. Baronet) rightly attribnted to the Right .q ble-for 00'0';0 and all thos o e_ . ro u i ope t icr_a ef ou' e ' s responst ,just•eame - iii,iiitia u vihe - evu --sible tbi Government, ri a r. ri e ( f for r i . f he were h n ao took tita Bisitt Baronet when 1111')Iubtetter tl', 11