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two years. It was utterly impossible for the Noble Lord to show that nineteen miles had been built during the last two years in the whole county of Lancaster. Previous to ks 36 there was a period of prosperity, and then it was that these factories were built, or contracted for. With respect to trade at the present moment, he was perfectly aware that it was in a state of the deepest depression, and he was quite sure that a great portion of the twist had been exported at a very considerable loss. He trusted that the Right Hon. Baronet ( Sir R. Peel) would meet them in the spirit of fairness upon the Corn.laws, and that he would not upset them upon the question merely because the Hon. Member for Kendal had made a speech which, though it stated facts, still concealed part of them. Sir H. FLEETWOOD, as his name had been intro duced into the discussion, would take the liberty of stating that the Noble Lord opposite had not stated him quite fairly. He had not only stated to the Noble Lord that it was requisite to enter into arrangements for the building of factories long before they were commenced, but he had also stated that during the last year there had been no addition whatever.--( Hear, hear.) He was leaving town to-morrow for the purpose of attending a large meeting at Preston. He trusted to be in his place when the discus sion of the Corn-law question came on, and he would then be prepared to answer the Noble Lord upon the subject. Mr. G. W. WOOD thought himself entitled to com plain of something like a perversion of the statements which he had made the other night. In reference to his statement of the actual result of exports, the Right Honourable Baronet opposite had drawn a conclusion from the averages, and considered that as applicable to the whole in detail, which was a position that was not at all warranted by the statement. He thought it would have been easy to have shown that the great increase of exports had not been in manufactured goods, but of raw materials such as yarn, and so on, for the purpose of being manu factured abroad. The increase was not of one year but of more. The Right Hon. Baronet also imputed to him some observations which it was supposed he had made in reference to the banking system. All that he had said was, that there was great distress prevailing among ma nufacturers, and that he considered a great deal of that was owing to the system of the Bank of England; but further than that he had said nothing about either banks in this country or America. With regard to cha racter of the Chairman of the Chamber of Commerce of Manchester, he could assure the Right Hon. Baronet that nobody would be more pleased than himself, to see that office pass into younger hands. The information he was laying before the House, he laid before the House in the hope that it would be useful, and it was for the House to take it for better or for worse ; and it was certainly no answer to the petitioners, who asked for the repeal of the Corn-laws, to refer them to the tables to which they had been referred. The motion was then put and agreed to. Mr. WALLACE stated, that as he now under stood it was the intention of Mr. Speaker, to adhere to the rule which had been acted upon during the last Session in reference to the presentation of petitions ; and as in truth the subject of his petition from Pollockshaws in fa vour of the repeal of the Corn-laws had already been dis cussed, he should not persist in the motion of which he had given notice. Mr. BA INES moved for a return of the quantity of bonded corn abandoned by the importers in the port of London in the year 1837, and destroyed, which he , thought would show the necessity of having a repeal of the Corn laws. Why he made this motion was in consequence of a fact which had reached his ears, and which he believed to be well authenticated, that 1,000 quarters of corn had been imported from Odessa in 1831 into this country, which, owing to the state of the Corn-laws, lay in bond till 1837 ; that the persons who were the owners of it in 1837 made an application to Government to have it liberated from bond, which was allowed on condition that it should be sunk in the Thames ; and that 1,000 quarters of corn were actually sunk in the Thames.—( Hear, hear.) Surely that was a state of the Corn-laws which could not be satisfac tory to this country.—( Hear, hear.) If there had been a small duty to have been paid upon it, there could have been no doubt that it would have been paid and the wheat sold ; but in consequence of the high rate of duty, it had lain in bond until it had become so deteriorated, that it was not worth the duty demanded for it ; therefore, as an act of grace and favour on the part of Government, the owner was allowed to take it out of bond, and to sink it in the Thames I That circumstance took place when the great distress was prevailing in the Highlands of Scotland ; and surely it would have been far better that that 1,000 quarters of wheat should have been sent to the perishing Highlanders, than it should have been thus wastefully destroyed. How many other quarters had been dealt with in a similar man ner, it was impossible for him to say. Motion agreed to. Mr. FOX MA UL E moved for leave to bring in a Bill for further improving the police in and near the metropolis. The principal object of the Bill was to extend the present police force into the city and other parts of the metropolis. When this police force was first established the Right Hon. Baronet was fully justified in limiting the experiment as he had done ; but from the experience of the working of that system there could be now no doubt that the system ought to be extended over London. There were other amend meats in the Bill, but which be should abstain from detailing, as it was a Bill to which Members would have to give great attention. It was one of two Bills to be brought before the House, having for their object a distinc tion from the judicial and the executive of the police CoL SIBT H 0 RP hoped it was to include the horse patrol? evidence was to be examined at the bar of that House that his statements would be established by facts, and arguments not very easily to be controverted, he would be bound to say that that evidence would show that the manufacturers had been compelled from their large stock to export their articles, and that thus the foreign market had been glutted, and the operations of the spinner rendered useless ; in short. he drew conclusions exactly opposite to those drawn by the Members opposite. He regretted that the Hon. Member did not make these statements on the first night of the Ses siore it would have placed the state of the measure in a much clearer light than that in which it now appeared to be regarded by' Honourable Members opposite. There was one other subject to which he wished to allude, and that was the increase which had taken place in the ex port of some of the metals. He did not agree with some Hon. Gentlemen in the extent to which they went as to the exportations of iron. It would be found on investiga tion that a considerable portion of the increased export was in the shape of iron rails for railways. As regarded the other portions which had gone for the purpose of fur nishing our opponents on the Continent with the means of manufacturing machinery, he did not hesitate to say, if he could separate the portion of the increase applied to that object, he should deplore to see an increase in that he which was perfectly convinced was intended to be converted into purposes which would ultimately prove detrimental to us. He had presented a petition from the Chamber of Com merce at Manchester, signed by the Hon. Me m b er f or Kendal (M r . W oo d), an d if any individual in the House thought that his Hon. Friend differed in opinion from the manufacturers at Manchester, they did him great in justice. Before he sat down he begged to refer Hon. Members opposite to some of the allegations of the petition. They particularly directed the attention of Parliament to the fact that foreign competition at this moment had arrived at such a pitch, with respect to cotton hosiery, that this country only exported one-fourth of that which was exported by the Saxon manufacturers themselves, and that we had scarcely any hold of the markets of the United States, three-fourth, of which were supplied by the Saxon manufacturers. He earnestly entreated the attention of Hon. Members opposite to the inqui ties which must be made, to the extent to which machi nery was carried on the Continent—manufactured, as the petitioners stated, from the most recent improvements in troduced into this country, placing the foreigner in this po sition, that he could take advantage at once of all the im provements at which the manufacturers of this country had arrived step by step. They did not therefore meet us on fair grounds. The importance of the subject was such, that he hoped and trusted that it would be debated with calmness and deliberation. Ho trusted Hon. Members would see the necessity, in a question which occupied so much of the public attention, of sifting it with the utmost at tention, and he trusted they would not refuse to receive evi dence at the bar of the House in support of the petitions.— ( Hear, hear.) Mr. BA/NES begged to offer an observation or two as to the state of the woollen manufactures.—( Hear, hear.) In 1838 as compared with the four preceeding years, there was a decrease in the quantity of exports to the amount of 385 ,0001, and that year had been represented as one of prosperity.—( Hoar, hear.) In Saxony, and other parts of the Continent, the woollen manufacturers were gaining ground, and the effect was to produce upon that ancient manufacture of this country, once so important, but now a declining manufacture--declining, he sincerely believed, from the existence of the Corn-laws, because we could not enter into competition with those who manufactured this article on the Continent of Europe. With respect to the exportation of wool, it might be thought there was an advantage towards this country, but when it was considered that it was exported for the pur pose of nurturing and bringing up rival manufactures, in stead of that being a matter of congratulation, it ought to be a matter of deep regret ; because on comparing the four years preceding 1838, there had been an increase in the export of our sheep and lambs' wool to no less an amount than 57 per cent., there having been, on averaging these four years, in the former instance 37.1,0004 , and in the last year the export was 432,0001. ; so that, although it had been represented by his Hon. Friend that there had been an in .crease of exports, in reality that increase was, so far as re. lated to the manufactures of the country, a dis advantage, and not an advantage. There was another subject to which he might shortly advert—that formerly at the German wool fair the English were the great pur chasors—lately the English had been only third-rate pur chasers. Why was this? Because the English manu facturers were decreasing while the Continental manufacturers were increasing. No subject could be more clearly demonstrated than that the ex ports of this country indicated rather decay than pros perity, particularly in the export of raw materials. He would also state to the House another fact, that in the Leipsic fair, for the four years before the German Commercial League was formed, the quantity of woollen cloth exhibited for sale, was 50,000 ells, about 25,000 pieces. In the last year the quantity of woollen cloths exhibited for sale, and manufactured in Germany, was 350,000, making an increase of somewhere about 600 per cent. Now, these were not facts made to support a parti cular theory, but they were facts which related to the decay , of our manufactures, and that decay arising out of the cir cumstances of the taxes on some articles being from 60 to 70 per cent., higher here than on the manufactures of the Continent. He did,not know what weight the House might choose to give to these facts. He believed them to be facts, and had the best authority for his statements for where he could possess himself of official information he had always done so. With respect to the statements of his Honourable Friend the Member for Kendal, he (Mr Baines) must admit that there was no thing very unfair in the Right Honourable Baronet ( Sir Robert Peel) making the statement which he had done, as founded on the representation of the Honourable Gen tleman. He (Mr Baines) thought it was very natural that an advocate for another view of the subject should have made that statement, but it was clear that though there might be a general prosperity, taking the aggregate of all our exports, there might be a decrease with regard to our manufacturing prosperity. In order to sustain that view he had ventured to present these facts to the House; he hoped the House would not agree to the conclusion at which the Right Honourable Baronet had somewhat hastily arrived—conclusions which he would not have come to if he analyzed those extracts with more care.—(Hear.) Lord STANLEY said it seemed rather singular, not that the Hon. Member for Kendal (Mr. Wood) had come down with a vindication of his former statement, but that other lion. Members should be prepared with figures for the purpose of entering into a discussion of the whole state of our manufactures upon such sqn occasion as this. He (Lord Stanley) was not going to enter into any detail or into the general merits of the ques tion, which was of such immense importance. He did not pretend to have any acquaintance with that branch of industry to which the Honourable Gentleman who had just s a t do wn p ar ti cu l ar l y re f erred—the woollen trade. But it was amongst the singular and happy coinci. deuces accompanying the speech of the Hon. Member for Kendal that here again he had furnished a valuable weight of authority, to meet, as it were, by anticipation, the statement of the Honourable Member for Leeds, be cause the Honourable Member for Kendal did net omit to state that there was a considerable decrease in the export of woollen manufactured goods. But, said the Hon. Member for Kendal in the spirit of fairness that characterised all his statements, whether in favour of his arguments or not—( Hear, hear)—" don't let the House be led away by these statements ; true it was that the woollen manufacture had decreased, but that was no indication that the woollen trade was in a state of difficulty —still less was it to be attributed to the bearings of the Corn-laws. No, said the Hon. Member for Kendal, the woollen manufactures have decreased, and I tell you why, there has beer, a vicious system of banking in the United States ; there has been great distress in America, the Ame ricans ale our great consumers for woollen goods, and it has not been distress here, or the difficulty of supplying them but the vice of the banking system have rendered it im possible for them to take our goods." (Mr. Wood made some remark, which was not heard in the gallery.) He oio h(iLsor tanle ) b egged pardon if he had misrepresented H eriend. He had quote d f rom memory, not having had any intention of entering on this part of the question at all ; but the Hon. Gentleman was reported to have said, with regard to the woollen manufactures, there has been a decline of six cent. ; a circumstance entirely attributable to the very large portion of our woollen manu factures sent to the United States, and that country not being able to take in so large a quantity as in previous years, there was a depression which, he had no doubt, would be removed during the present year.—( Cheers.) The Hon. Member for Leeds had stated it as a subject of great lamentation, that there had been an increase of the export of British wool to the amount of 5$ per cent. He (Lord Stanley) would ask, was it a subject of congratula tion, that since the year 1831 the import of foreign wool— the raw material for our manufacture—had not increased 58 per cent., but in the port of Liverpool had increased 1,200 per rent. ? In the year 1831 4,000 bags were im ported ; that quantity went on increasing from 4 to 8, from 8 to 24, from 24 to 48, until, in the year 1338, it amounted to 50,000 bags of the raw material introduced for our manufactures —(Loud cheers from the Tory benches.) It was possible that the manufacturers might have been going on at a less during the last two years— it was possible such might be the case, but it was scarcely credible that the country should not know of it. It was incredible that the manufacturing interest was so depressed, while, during the last two years so much capi tal had been expended in mills and machinery.--( Hear.) He was informed by an Hon. Baronet who sat on the other side of the House, that, in the town of Preston alone, there there had been nineteen mills erected during the last two Years, That made requisite the erection of 1,500 houses for the workmen employed in those mills ; and one of th °se factories alone cost the sum of 60,0001. before a ogle portion of work could be done in it. If this was Chefact, or an ythi ng approac hi ng to i t, it was incredible d t, in one town al one , d ur i ng t h e two years of notorious i l l 3t . r eas, capitalists were t o b e f oun d w illi ng to embark lr money in the same cause. —( Cheers. ) He b egge d p ar don e for having been so far led into the question, but 3111 ,ments h av i ng b een made on the other side, he was anxious the House should be put in possession of these facts. Mr. CL A Y—The Noble Lord bad commented upon the speech of the Hon. Member for Kendal (Mr. G. W. en°°ZWo) with hi s usual dexter i ty, b ut not with his usual fair .lShe under s t oo d the Hon. Member rightly, he did not is th, ° his explanation deny there had been a great increase that frrports of the coun t ry , b ut h e exp l a i ne d i t b y stat i ng fording r 4 the n ature o f the things exported, in place of af alarm bgrounds for hope, they afforded grounds for great taken cause abr use the expo r t was cotton tw i st , w hi c h was e the repeal ad to be th ere woven up. The main ground for are of of the Corn-laws was the fact of the great in peting ae rn laanufactures abroad. They were a l rea dy co e protecting d in foreign markets, b u t even w i t h a h eavy in ou r° uty they were ena b led now to compete with us to hagg l:market. H e knew that it was very dangerous were bound t P o on the ground of the want of profit. They foiind that capi tal that there was some profit, when they But he woul was being further sunk into any business. d ask the Noble Lord (Stanley) whether those factories were not built for the u twist for the Purposeof . Purpo se of spinning the Mr. H iNI, . being sent abroad ? Y—The -Hon. Memberfacteri efeorwthereeTbuowilte; Hamlets had a s ked for what them! The fact was, th ey had not been built at all during the last from Asia and Africa within the Mediterranean and with out the Mediterranean, and the clause which he introduced last year into the Customs Bill, was to enable an Order in Council to allow the ships of any European country to bring into the ports of this country laden not only with its own commodities, but the produce of Asiatic and African countries, This, however, was only empowered to be done as to countries in which equivalent advantages were grant ed to British commerce by the country to which the pri vilege was extended, and this had been done with regard to Austria. In return for the extended advantages which we had gained from Austria, we bad granted to Austria a very moderate privilege. Mr. FOX MAULE said it was. Col. SIBTHORP said that when the Bill came to be discussed be should suggest the propriety of increasing the pay of that body of men. At Liverpool, Bristol, and other large places, they were better paid than in London. He objected to the deduction of 2s. a-week from the pay of the men for their clothes. He was a great friend to economy, but still he should recommend an increased pay to those men, who often suffered, not only the greatest insults, but whose lives were put in the greatest jeopardy. Sir R. PEEL (as we understood) apprehended the ob ject of the Bill would be to extend as far as possible the present police system of the metropolis? Mr. FOX M AUL E said that was an expressed feature of the Bill. Sir R. PEEL—And to apply to the River police? , Mr. F. MAULE—Yes. Sir R. PEEL thought he might conclude now that it was not for the purpose of introducing an arbitrary system that he bad originated this force.—(Hear, hear.) He thought the only persons who had to complain of the police system were the rogues and thieves.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) He believed that this system was almost universally adopted throughout the great towns in Eng land, and he had every reason to believe that experience o f it gave universal satisfaction. There could be no doubt that it has been one of the most effectual means of check ing the progress of crime. Lord MORPETH bore testimony to the beneficial ef fects of the New Police system. Mr. SHAW said that the system had worked well in Dublin, but not so well in the neighbourhood of that City. MR. D. W. HARVEY. Mr. FOX MAULE laid upon the table the corre spondence relative to the appointment of Mr. Harvey as Registrar of Hackney-coaches. THE AUSTRIAN TREATY. Lord PALMERSTON, in laying before the House Papers relative to the Austrian Treaty, said that the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) had on a former occasion ap peared to have been under the misapprehension that this treaty was substantially the same as that of 1828, whereas they differed very considerably. The Treaty of 1819 established a reciprocity of navigation between the two countries, with the important exception of the ports on the Danube, which the present Treaty included. This Treaty also admitted Austrian ships to bring to British ports articles the produce of Asiatic er African countries, and these articles to be taken from Austrian ports by British ships ; whereas, by the Treaty of 1829, the Austrian vessel would not have bNn permitted to bring to an English port articles from Austria, the produce not of Austria, but of Asia and Africa. This Treaty permitted British ships to export from all the ports of the Danube, as well Turkish as Austrian, and simultaneously, there had been effected a great change in the commercial sys tem of the empire of Austria, for whereas, hitherto, the principle of the Austrian tariff had been prohibition, with only exceptions in favour of certain articles, the Austrian Government had now changed their system and substituted one of admission on all occasions at greatly reduced duties, and thus the Austrian Government had taken a more en lightened course in the treaty, and a very important change had been effected in the fiscal regulations of the country; so that he (Lord Palmerston) considered that the treaty had opened a great field for the industry and commercial enterprise of this country. and at the same time he had the satisfaction of reflecting that the change had also been most beneficial both to the commerce of Austria and Turkey. The country was much indebted to the zeal and ability with which their Ambassadors at Vienna and Constantinople had conducted the long and difficult nego tiations which, in a question of this kind, affecting esta blished prejudices, and involving extensive interests, must naturally arise, and be was bound to say, that not only Lord Ponsonby and Sir Frederick Lamb, but Mr. Bulwer and Mr. AP Gregor—the former at Constantinople, the latter at Vienna—had rendered, on this subject, great service to their country. Sir R. PEEL said he did not mean to throw any dis paragement on the Austrian or the Turkish Treaty. With regard to the latter, he only feared that there might be difficulty in carrying it or t, not through the fault of the Treaty, but from the present position of the Turkish Em pire. With regard to the Austrian Treaty, he was aware that it went further than that of 1829; but what he had said was, that it did not establish a new principle, the prin ciple having been conceded in the Treaty of, 1829, though, from the improvements in the steam navigation of the Danube, an extended operation might naturally be ex pected. He wished to ask the Noble Lord if he did not anticipate that in some of the ports in Wallachia there would not be some difficulty in carrying out the Treaty without Turkish co-operation? Lord PALMERSTON said that the Treaty provided that neither an Austrian nor a British vsesel might be ad mitted into the ports of either country, corning from a Turkish port of the Danube, as though coming from a port of Austria or England—that is, a British vessel corning from a Turkish port in the Danube would be admitted into an Austrian port, and vice versa. Sir R. PEEL wished to know if it might not be in the power of Turkey to place such restrictions on the naviga tion of the Danube as would interfere with the operation of the Treaty in that respect ? Lord PALMERSTON said he did not anticipate that Turkey would be inclined to take such a step. Mr. HE R.RIE S said, under the old Navigation Laws no Austrian vessel could come to a British port with other than Austrian commodities; but, last Session, an Act was in troduced, by which this clause in the ancient Navigation Acts was repealed ; that was a very important fact ; and the question he had to ask was, whether, under that new Act, all nations had not a right to the same privileges as Austria had gained by this particular treaty; that is, to bring into the ports of this country vessels laden with the produce of Asia and Africa. Mr. P. THOAISON said a distinction had always ex isted in the Navigation Laws between articles coming THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY,-EVENING EDITION,-FEBRUARY 12, 1839. were printed. I begged to ask, when I found that a change bad taken place in the resolution of Government, and that it was not the intention of her Majesty's Ministers to present these papers on the night of the assembling of Par liament—l then begged to put that question to the Noble Lord, which, together with the answer, is already before your Lordships. On my return home that night, I found the following communication from her Majesty's Se cretary of State, which—as it is a public one—l will venture to read to the House..—( Hear, hear. ) The letter is dated Downing-street, sth February, 1839, and is signed " Glenelg." The Noble Earl then read the letter, which was in substance as follows :—" My Lord, I have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your Lordship's letter of the 31st ultimo, t ransm i tt i ng your Report, as her Majesty's High Commilsioner, on the affairs of British North America. Having had the honour of laying the Report before the Queen, I am directed to express her Majesty's approbation of the attention you have devoted to this important subject, and the full and comprehensive views of the various interests involved in it. I need not tell your Lordship that the report will receive the attentive consideration of her Majesty's Government. On a matter of such grave importance, in the absence of the appendix, I am unable to express any opinion of the matter therein contained. Her Majesty's Government will, however, take it into their immediate consideration, and I hope it will lay the founda tion of the permanent settlement o f t h e interests in volved in your communication."—( Hear, hear.) My Lords, it was not till, after the receipt of that letter— it was not till after I received this official communication —that I confidentially communicated that Report to any other party. But I did conceive, having laid that Report before her Majesty's Government, and it having re ceived their approbation—l did conceive that I was at liberty to communicate it to my friend s . Th at i sall I know of the transaction,an dlbeg most distinctly t o re p e l t h e sort ofwhich h as b een made, as if I were responsible or ac cessor y t o the publication of that report ; an d th i s b ecomes the more necessary, because i t appears f rom in insinuationanydegree or charge the statement of the Noble Earl, that that charge was founded upon a complete misrepresentation of the paragraph which appeared in the paper in question. I was not so much suprised at that publication, as grieved that only the latter portion of the report had been pub lished. But, my Lords, if it be true that upwards of 2,000 copies were ready on Tuesday, can it be wondered at that some one of these should have found its way to the pub lic ?Be that as it may, merely distributed three or four, or it may be half a dozen copies confidentially among my friends, after having received the official communication that her Majesty had been graciously pleased to receive it. My Lords, that is all I have to say, and I think myself ex tremely obliged to the Noble Earl for having given me an opportunity of doing that which otherwise I should not be enabled to do. Lord WHARNCLIFFE thanked the Noble Lord for his explanation, at the same time he could not reconcile the Noble Lord's statement with the expression of his sur prise. The Earl of DURHAM—My Lords, I don't know upon what grounds the Noble Earl has refused to place credence in my statement.—( Loud cries of " Hear.") Lord WHARNCLIFFE begged to repeat hi s surpr i se that the Noble Earl should have expressed any asto nishment at the publication of the Report, knowing that two thousand copies had been printed, and that several copies had been distributed among his private friends. He ( Lord Wharneliffe)lwas not surprised, under such circum stances, that the Report had found its way into the papers ; but what appeared to him extraordinary was, that any sur prise should have been expressed at its publication. Here was a great press, whose object was on all occasions of interest, to precede each other in their information ;. and could th e N o bl e Earl, after a certa i n num b er of cop i es had been distributed among his friends, express any surprise that the report should have got into the papers ? He gave implicit credence to all the Noble Earl had stated with re spect to his not having sent the communication to the news papers. He entirely and fully acquitted him of that, but it did appear to him that the Noble Earl, as Her Majes ty's Commissioner having made that Report to the Govern ment, ought not to have allowed it to get into the hands of any body until her Majesty's Ministers had had an oppor tunity of well considering it, and adopting whatever line of policy they might deem proper. The Earl of DURHAM begged to remark that he had the permission of one of her Majesty's Ministers to com municate the Report to some of his friends. Lord WHARNCLIFFE said that would appear to him to shift the blame from the Noble Earl to her Majesty's Government. The Duke of WELLINGTON had not distinctly heard the date of the letter read by the Noble Earl. A NOBLE LORD said the 2d. Lord BROUGHAM—No ; the stb. The Earl of DURHAM—It is the sth of February. The Earl of ABERDEEN—If he understood the Noble Earl right, her Majesty's Government had just seen the Report in print. Now, he inferred that the report in the first instance must have been written before it was printed. He thought, however, the plan of printing a document was liable to great objection—( Hear, hear)-- because it was for them to decide whether it should be afterwards printed or not. Every sheet should have in the first instance received the " imprimatur" of her Ma jesty's Printer. It appeared to him to be placing too large a discretionary power in the hands of the Noble Earl, be cause the report might have contained matter which it would have been very improper to have laid before the pub lic under any circumstances.—( Hear, hear.) The Earl of WICKLOW said it was on that account be had risen with so much anxiety to ascertain whether any communication had been made by the Noble Earl to the public papers. When he heard the statement of the Noble Earl he certainly did think that he could have been by any possibility privy to the publication of that Report in the public papers. The Noble Earl now states that he was not surprised at the report having reached the public press. He wished the Noble Earl had stated that on the previous night, but it appeared to him rather surprising that the Noble Earl should have expressed surprise at the Report being conveyed to the public when he himself had autho rized the printing of that document.—(Hear, hear.) He took it for granted that what was authorized by one Member of the Administration had the sanction of the entire Cabinet. It appeared to him at least that the Noble Viscount at the head of her Majesty's Government was not justified in the statement which he made on a previous night to their Lordships.—( Hear, hear.) The whole transaction was one of great irregularity..—( Cheers from the Opposition Benches.) It should never have been placed in the power of the Noble Earl to exercse any discretion upon the subject. The document should have been given in its original shape to her Majesty's Govern ment, and the Noble Earl was not justified in deviating from what was the usual course on such occasions. The effect of that was that an insult had been offered to both Houses of Parliament by these documents, which were promised to be laid upon their tables, being previously published and circulated throughout the country.— ( Hear, hear.) Viscount MELBOURNE agreed with the Noble Earl who had last spoken, that there had been very great irre gularity in the way in which the document bad got before the public. There might have been matters in that Report which it would not have been proper to have published. Both the Noble Lords who had spoken on the other side of the House had expiessed astonishment that he ( Viscount Melbourne) should have stated on a former night his sur prise at the report having obtained publicity. He was well aware of the anxiety in certain quarters to obtain a copy of the Report, and on that ground the printing of a large number of copies might have been objectionable, as it increased the chances of the Report falling into the hands of those who were so eager to obtain it. At the same tim e it was a course that had been very often pursued for the public advantage, in order that documents might be prepared for the perusal of Parliament, he had frequently known papers of equal inte rest, and in which as great interest and anxiety were evinced on the part of the public press to obtain a copy ; and, al though the documents had in these cases been printed, at present was the only single instance in which he had known them to transpire.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") With respect to what the Noble Earl had stated of a permission of one of her Majesty's Ministers to communicate the Report to any person, he ( Viscount Melbourne) was himself to tally ignorant of any such transaction. Of course, if the Noble Earl had taken it upon himself to communicate the Report to some of his particular friends, it was his duty to be responsible for their discretion.—( Hear, hear. ) The Earl of DE VON said, there was another small matter connected with the printing of these documents— a practice bad lately grown up, of having documents printed by a private printer, and then presented to the House; that practice was quite inconsistent with the right of her Majesty's printer; and in the present case, it afforded strong evidence of the evils likely to arise from tho adop tion of such a course. The Marquis of WE ST ME AT H—lt now appeared that the affairs of Canada were to be postponed sine die.— ( Cries of " No, no I") He was the more anxious to point this out to their Lordships, because the other night, th e Noble Earl did the House the favour to state, that on a calculation of accounts, the public were indebted to him a sum of 10,000/. He could not help thinking that the public were placed in a humiliating posi tion if they were indebted in that or a smaller sum to any individual for services of course not performed. If her Majesty's Ministers had made an appointment which was not justified by the fact, they were responsible ; but he thought the accounts should be squared before anything further was done on the subject of Canada. Their Lordships would remember that, at the close of the last Session, certain appointments were made, and the grounds for the appointments were not stated.' The Noble Viscount was at laid before their Lordships on the part of the Crown, there was no question as to their being laid on the table of the House.— ( Hear.) The Marquis of WE S TM E ATM admitted, that perhaps the present was not the most convenient time, at the same time he would say one word in his own justification. The Noble Earl having stated that the public were indebted to him 10,0001. appeared to him an additional reason why courtesy should be extended to him, and that these matters should be investigated as soon as a convenient opportunity pre sented itself. Lord DURHAM could assure the House that he never stated that Report was to cost 10,0004 He had said some thing with respect to the expenditure of his mission and his personal outfit; but what be had said in reference to that was, that he meant to make no charge on her Majesty's Government in that respect, having formed the intention of defraying those expenses himself.—( Hear.) He had made no statement that he should charge her Majesty's Government for a single sixpence, but that on the contrary it was his determination to make no demand whatever for any outlay with respect to himself.— ( Hear.) He had added, moreover, that the sum so expended by him would amount to very little short of 10,000/.—( Hear, hear.) Now, if this question respecting his mission, was to be disfigured by discussions of a per sonal nature, let Noble Lords have as many of them of a personal nature as their hearts could wish for, and he should be ready to meet them on their own grounds. Let them blame him as much as they pleased, but let the House once get through those, and then let the House approach this great question with out an admixture of any of those low and petty feelings which could tend to no good purpose, but only to the injury of the fair and full discussion of the real and great question the House had to do with. _ _ The Marquis of WE S TM E ATH was glad to have been set right, and he should be excessively sorry to think that the Noble Earl should have any notion that he had the slightest desire to indulge in any thing like personality. He could assure the Noble Earl he had no such wish. It was a public question, and as such he had taken it up. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that from what had passed this evening he should withdraw the no tice which he had given on Friday. He had considered that he should have been able to have expressed a profes sional opinion of the affairs which had taken place in Canada, independently of the general question. But finding, from the papers now laid on the table, the cer tainty of a discussion of the most important nature upon a most important subject, he considered that lie ought not to detach that discussion by the notice lie had given. He reserved to himself, however, the right of taking up the professional view of the subject when the matter should come under debate. Before he sat clown he must take leave to say ole word in reference to what passed on Friday evening. He perhaps should not have resisted a specification of the place to which he then alluded, had it not been that the Noble Lord, the Comman der-in- Chief of her Majesty's Forces, made a direct call upon him for that specification, when that Noble Lord must have recollected that that very morning he had had a conversa tion with him upon the subject, when he had asked him for a public order, which had been sent out to Sir J. Craig, and afterwards promulgated by the Duke of York. The Noble Commander-in-Chief, therefore, having been put fully into possession of every information on the subject by him within two hours of the time, at which the subject was mentioned in their Lordship's House, he was the last per son surrounded by any set of Noble Lords who ought to have persisted in calling for that specification, respected as that Noble Commander-in- Chief was, and had always been, by him (the Noble Marquis), and than whom no one ever respected him more. NAVAL AFFAIRS. Lord NIINTO wished to ask the Noble Earl opposite, who he saw had a notice standing for to-morrow, whether it was his intention to bring on that discussion to-morrow, or whether he meant to postpone it for any definite period? Lord HA RDWICKE said (as we understood) that he did not intend to bring forward the discussion to-morrow. He was not, however, prepared to say that he should not bring forward some motion on the subject in the course of the Session, although he could not bind himself to any given time. The Noble Lord took this opportunity of giving notice that, to-morrow, he should put some questions to the Noble Lord opposite in regard to naval education. He (Lord Hardwicke) was prepared to make good the statements that he had pre viously made. He had no party object in view, all that he desired was to protect the interests of the Navy. The Earl of M INTO said that if he understood the Noble Lord, he was not at present determined as to what course he should pursue. He could only say that when the Noble Lord:thought it proper to bring, on the question, he should be prepared to defend the administration of the Admiralty, and answer the mis-statements that had been forced upon the public. He hoped. whenever the ques tion was mooted, it would be brought forward net as a question, but that the whole state of the Navy, with re spect to which so much misrepresentation had prevailed would be made the subject of a substantive motion. Lord COLVILL E regretted that the Noble Lord had withdrawn the notice which he had given ; he was firmly ' persuaded it would give the greatest satisfaction to the naval service, that the matter should be fully investigated. He was satisfied that while commerce was the great object of the nation, it was impossible that commerce should suc ceed unless it was protected by the Navy. The subject then dropped. The Earl of CHARLEVIL LE moved for certain re turns relative to the Constabulary of Ireland. The House adjourned at ten minutes past six o'clock. ANTI-CORN LAW DELEGATES The Delegates met yesterday at three o'clock as usual, at Brown's Hotel. J. B. Smith, Esq., in the chair. Among the Gentlemen present, were Sir G. Strickland, M. P., Mr. Warburton, M. P., Sir William Molesworth, M. P., Mr. Dennistoue, M. P., Mr. Horsman, M. P., Mr. Scholefield, M. P., Mr. Mark Phillips, M. P., Lord Nugent, General Evans, M. P., Mr. Villiers, M. P., Mr. Thornely, M. P., Mr. Howard Elphinstone, Mr. Ewart, Mr. Boultbee from Birmingham, and Mr. G. A. Young. Dr. BoweiNG reported from the Evidence Sub- Com mittee, that they bad been engaged in the preparation of the agricultural questions, but that the field was so large, they had not yet been enabled to lay them before the Com mittee ; but they hoped they should be enabled to do so shortly. The CHAIRMAN stated that he had received a communi cation from Kendal, stating that certain resolutions had been agreed to at a Meeting of the Executive Council of the Anti-Corn-law Association of that borough, ex pressing the deep regret and indignation with which they had read the speech of Mr. G. W. Wood, on seconding the Address to the Throne, believing that it was calculated to mislead the House as to the real state of the manufac tures of this country, and fearing that it has already exposed the Anti- Corn-law cause to severe detriment, and conclud ing to delay fowarding the petition until Wednesday. A copy of these resolutions had been forwarded to Mr. G. W. Wood, and also to the Chairman of the Anti-Corn-law Delegates, at Brown's Hotel. He had also received a parcel with a placard, which had been issued at Kendal, calling a meeting of the electors and working men of Kendal, to take into consideration the speech of Mr. G. W. Wood, That Meeting had been held on Saturday, and had unani mously passed certain resolutions expressive of their in dignation at the conduct of Mr G. W. Wood, and calling upon that gentleman to resign his seat as representati ve , refusing to entr us t hi m w i t h t h e i r p et ition, and requesting Mr Villiers to present the same, and ordering the resolu tions to be advertised in The Sun, Morning Chronicle, and Northern Star newspapers. ( See our advertising co. lumns. ) The Meeting was numerously attended, and went off admirably ; nothing could be more unanimous than the feeling exhibited on this subject. The CHAIRMAN also stated a letter had been received from Manchester, stating " that great excitements prevailed on the subject of the statements which had been made in the House of Commons by Mr. G. W. Wood ; that those state ments had been heard with mingled feelings of wonder, indignation, regret, and pity ; that it was with difficulty the writer could bring himself to believe until he had com pared the reports in the different papers, and found they coincided, that Mr. Wood had stated that the trade of the North of England was in a healthy condition-.-healthy when from Mr. Wood's own lips we learn that the exports of woollens have declined six per cent. at the same time that he tells us the export of sheeps' wool has increased fifty seven per cent. Healthy 1 when he informs us that hardware and cutlery have fallen off 13 per cent., whilst the exportation of the raw material of iron and steel has increased 37 per cent. Cotton manufac tures have, we are told, increased 4 per cent, whilst the ex port of yarn has increased no less than 20 per cent. In silk goods, the increase has been 21 per cent., whilst coal and culm, the very sources of our strength, have increased 59 per cent., and the exports of the five principal metals, iron, copper, lead, tin, and brass, have augmented 24 per cent., thus pr o vi n g th a t w e are letting out the life-blood that ought to warm and nourish us at home, to circulate abroad, and give vigorous and increased life to our rivals—healthy indeedt! Then we are told also that our shipping interests are in a very satisfactory condition ; and in proof the Hon. Seconder of the Address gives us a table, showing that whilst the increase of the British tonnage entering our ports is 101- per cent. that of foreigners is 28 per cent., thus proving that our Corn and Timber Laws are sedu lously undermining our mercantile marine, at the same time that the selfish aristocracy, for whose benefit those laws are upheld, pretend to be highly solicitous about the welfare of our Navy 1 As carriers we are now su perseded by the Americans, who would have no chance in competition with us either in ship-building or navigation, but for the misgovernment and aristo cratic extravagance under which our country labours. To come nearer home, I must again express my wonder at Mr. Wood's statement, that trade was prosperous in Lancashire. True, the amount of goods manufactured last year may have been as great as ever ; this arises partly, however, from the fact that in 1834 and 1836 there was an increase in the number of mills and manufactories built and steam engines laid down ; and they are now working at no profit, or what is worse, they are causing older establishments to work at a loss; for you know well enough, that in times like those, if new machinery yields no return, the old and inferior kind is sure to be worked at a ruinous loss. It would be a striking proof of the present state of things to compare the sales and valuations of mills and machinery three years ago and now; some say the depre ciation is equal to 20 or 40 per cent. I have just heard of a mill valued at 9,0001. last week, which in 1835, was put down by the very same valuer at 15,000/. Several of the large spinners are now beginning to work short time. I could mention several who have reduced their time to three days a-week ; and one house is mentioned, as having closed altogether. Nothing but such a course as this will satisfy the world, that our trade here is unprofitable, for whilst people are employed, and the revenue is sus tained, our Government will not be easily, persuaded that the capitalist is losing money. My own opi. nion is, that there is an immense deal of rot tenness to be laid bare, which will bring men's minds both here and elsewhere, to regard the future with rather less complacency than hitherto. Assu redly, if the present state of trade continues, half the capitalists will be unable to renew their machinery after it is worn out. Then will follow the competition of the issue with the Noble Earl or his friends upon that subject and yet, not u nderstanding these facts, if the " best pos sible public instructors" be right, it was stated either in a letter or article or address from the Noble Earl that he had disclosure s to make. Lord 13RO UGHAM rose to order. He was sure his Noble Friend who had just sat down would believe it was not from any want of personal respect that he interrupted him. lie quite agreed with him, that the affairs of Canada were to be discussed, and ought to be discussed—differing with him, that they were to be postponed sine die, but rather that th e y s h ould have no day without Cana d a —( muc h subject,lauglit er m )— or at the eespeciallyy me time he would put it to his Noble Friend whether this w as a conven i en t mode to discuss the subject not comi ng 0 often enough.—( Hear, and laughter.) The Earl of WICKLOW submitted, with all respect when there need Ns was not no be a question fraid o before f the House ? His Noblethe n early and for the Noble and Learned Lord, that there was a ques tion before the House that these papers do lie on the table. Several Pee rs rose and spoke together, which occa sioned some confusion in the Housd. Lord BROUGHAM begged to apologise to the Noble Earl; he was not aware that gg there was any question before the House. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE apprehended that was not the qu est i on for their Lords hi ps to consi d er. H is Noble Friend had laid these papers on the table of the House; and the question was whether that was a proper time for the Noble Earl to discuss the subject to which they referred. Lord HOLLAND apprehended that when papers were half-employed operatives, and down will go wages ! The revenue, which yields to the impulses of trade, as the barometer does to the atmosphere, will sink with the de cline of our manufactures, and then borrowing and funding must follow; in other words, the drones, after driving out the bees, or starving them in their cells, will devour the honeycomb—et voila la fin " All this. however, we won't allow to come to pass without a struggle. As our difficulties increase a still more determined spirit evinces itself. Take your estimate of the truth of this by what will occur next Monday at the Annual Meeting of the Members of the Chamber of Com merce for the election of Directors. That sober, discreet, and most sagacious body of men will show by their votes how far they agree with their President—l had almost said their late President—in his opinion, that trade here is in a satisfactory state. " You will be deluged with petitions to be heard at the Bar from this part of the country during the week. Be sides a large petition from the town, the different trades, such as the engravers,lfustian cutters, &c., are going to petition separately, and all the small towns and villages in the neighbourhood will follow their example." Mr. BARKER stated that he had received a letter from Preston, stating that the anti-Corn-law Association of that place would hold a meeting this night, at which it would be determined whether or no they should hold a public meeting on the subject. At all events, a petition would be forwarded for presentation prior to Mr. Villier's motion being brought forward. The price of yarn had declined Id. per lb. since he had left home, white wool maintained its price, thus proving that it was on the price of the manu factured article that depreciation took place. The petition from Preston was for a total and immediate repeal of the Corn-laws, and praying for evidence to be heard at the bar of the House. Mr. TAYLOR (of London) thought that it was of im portance that evidence should be brought forward, showing the evils resulting from the operation of the Corn-laws in places unconnected with manufactures. In illustration of this he would mention the case of the Shetland Islands. These islands contained, about 35,000 inhabitants ; they were barren and produced no wheat, their only agricultural produce consisting of oats, beer, or bigg, and potatoes. The number of acres under cultivation was 15,000, being about one-third of an acre to each inhabitant. They had no manufactures ; the produce of the land was not suf ficient for their support, and their principal employment was fishing. They exported this fish to procure themselves the necessaries of life; and a Spanish gentleman had of fered to supply them with corn in exchange for their fish at the rate of thirty-five shillings per quar ter ; but he was prevented by the operation of the Corn laws, and these poor islanders were obliged to send their fish to the English market, and receive their corn from England at a high price, and thus the inhabitants of those Islands were suffer ing from destitution, when, but for the operation of the Corn.laws they might live comfortably and happily.—(Hear, hear.) Dr. Bow ring said that this case told doubly, inasmuch as the Spanish Go. vernment prohibited the importation of English fish, and the Bri tish Government prohibited the importation of foreign corn. Mr. GEORGE BoaaErr stated that a meeting had been held at Greenwich about a week since, and a petition had been agreed to, which had already received between five and six thousand signatures from persons of every political denomination.—(Hear. hear.) Before this day week that petition would be sent to Ali'. Villiers for presentation, it prayed for a total and immediate abo. lition of the Corn-laws, and for the hearing of evidence at the bar of the House. Mr. EWART wished to draw attention to the report of the Corn. mittee on Agricultural Distress which sat in 1821, it would be well if country gentlemen would read that report. The Corn. mittee consisted of country gentlemen. Sir Thomas Gooch was the Chairman, and Sir Thomas Lethbridge was also a member of it. Mr. Ewart then read the following extract from the report of the Committee : " Your Committee are the more anxious to impress upon the at.. tention of the House the real state of our trade in foreign corn, be tween the years 1773 and 1814, as it appears to them, taken in connection with the progress of general prosperity in the country, and more especially with the great improvements in agriculture, and its highly flourishing condition during that period, to suggest to Parliament, as a matter highly deserving of their future considers.. tion, whether a trade in corn, constantly open to all nations of the world, and subject only to such a fixed duty as might compensate to the grower the loss of that encouragement which he received during the late war, from the obstacles thrown in the way of free importa. tion, and thereby protect the capitals now vested in agriculture from an unequal competition in the home market—is not, as a permanent system, preferable to that state of law by which the corn trade is now regulated ?" In another part of the Report they said— " Your Committee may entertain a doubt whether the only solid foundation of the flourishing state of agriculture is not laid in ab staining, as much as possible, from interference, either by protection or prohibition with the application of capital in any branch of in dustry 'Whether all fears for the decline of agriculture, either from temporary vicissitudes, to which all speculations are liable, or from the extension of other pursuits of general industry, are not in a great degree imaginary? Whether commerce can expand, manufactures thrive, and great public works be undertaken without furnishing to the skill and labour which the calitals thus employed put in motion, increased means of paying for the production of the land ? Whether the principal part of those productions which contribute to the gratification of the wants and desires of the different classes of the community must not necessarily be drawn from our own soil, the demand increasing with the population, as the population must increase with the riches of the country ? Whether a great part of the same ca. pital which is employed in supporting the industry connected with manufactures, commerce, and public works, does not, passing by a very rapid course into the hands of the occupier of the soil, serve also as a capital for the encouragement of agriculture ? Whe ther in our own country, in former times, and in other naturally fertile countries up to the present time, agriculture has not languished from the want of such a stimulus ? And whether in those countries the proprietors of the land are not themselves poor, and the people wretched, in proportion as from want of capital, their labour is more exclusively confined to raising from their own soil the means of their own scanty subsistence." He begged the attention of gen. tlemen to the concluding paragraph :—" If these questions shall be answered in the affirmative, it follows that the present solidity and future improvement of our national wealth depend on the conti. nuance of that union by which our agricultural prosperity is so closely connected with the preservation of our manufacturing and commercial greatness." So that we have here the opinion of the agriculturists themselves, that the best system for them is a system of free trade."—( Hear, hear.) Mr. BOLTON, of Birmingham, expressed himself gratified at the manner in which Mr. Ewart had brought forward these state. ments so long as the landholders persevere in entertaining the opinion, that the effect of a repeal of the Corn.laws will be to con fiscate their property, so long will the labours of this Committee be in vain. But if gentlemen will bring forward evidence such as that brought forward by Mr. Ewart, then there will be no difficulty in making it appear that no class in the community will be more benefited by a repeal of the Corn.laws than the agriculturists themselves. They are necessarily dependant on commerce for their prosperity, and all commerce between this and other countries, it can be nothing else than a bartering of our manu factured goods for their agricultural produce; consequently, if we are prohibited from importing the agricultural produce of other countries, is tantamount to being prohibited from exporting our manufactures; had the Act been worded in this way there would have been no difficulty about the matter. He urged gentlemen to look out for evidence similar to that brought forward by Mr. Ewart, and they would not find it so difficult to convince the landed interest as it was apprehended. In fact, not one in an hundred of the country gentleman had thought on the subject, but had taken it for granted that the Corn-laws had effected the objects for which they were intended, instead of producing the disastrous effects which they really have. Mr. RAWSON said he had intended naming a few facts on Satur day, connected with the rate of wages, received by the cotton-stock ing makers at Nottingham, but as every fact, however well sustained by testimony, is at once denounced by our opponents as false and as he had on that occasion to give place to the Member for Kendal, he would only for the future name such facts as can be tested by official documents. He had been at the Board of Trade this morning, and would give a few of the results of his labours, and which brought to his mind the lines of the poet— " Small by degrees, And beautifully less." EXPORTS. Hayti-1832, 13,767/. ; 1834, 5,936/. ; 1836, 3,694/. Columbia-1828, 10,496/. ; 1834, 3,262/. Mexico-1827, 28,2351.; 1834, 7,878/. Peru-1827, 29,810/. ; 1831, 19,605/. ; 1832, 16,918/. ; 1833 2,400/. ; 1834, 8,7601. Chili-1828, 29,483/. ; 1834, 20,814/. ; 1835, 15,3001. The above is £ sterling. A Statement : United Kingdom. Hans Other Dollars. Towns. Countrios. 1827 327.745 96.821 15.207 1835 466.517 414.718 25.134 It will be seen by the above statements that while we have increased in eight; years about 27 per cent., the Saxons have in the same increased betwixt 400 and 500 per cent. Now, as hese are from official documents, accessible to all at ,he Board of Trade, he trusted his Nottingham friend would not blame him for this state of things; for he well knew that he long ago stated his opinions as to what would be the final result ; and how he can be angry with him Mr. it.) he could not say, except he envied him his superior asga. city in anticipating what the measures advocated by gentlemen, and those who thought with him would bring us to. He assured the Sommittee that his cause should not be injured by any state ment of his, as far as he knew, being incorrect. Yet, as he had good authority to bear him out, and corroborate what he was going to state as some of the fruits of this foreign competition, raised up, as it were in a day, by cheap food. From documents printed in 1833, which correspond with what he learned from an average of wages made up from the last six months, while wages (which were never large) in this branch are reduced more than one-half, the price of provisions has been raised to three times their value, giving the labourer (don't start) only one-sixth of the same comforts and necessaries of life for his labour, and all this without any material alteration in machinery or steam-power to facilitate pro. duction ; and therefore it may be fairly attributed to foreign compe tition alone.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. GREG agreed with the remark of Mr. Goldberg that the grand object to be held in view to facilitate success is to dis pel the groundless fears entertained by the agricultural body. The facts brought forward at former meetings by Messrs. Walmesly and Sturge would, it was to be hoped, tend to pro duce this effect.—(Hear, hear.) Here Mr. Greg recapitulated the facts brought forward by Messrs. Walmesly and Sturge as to the charges upon foreign corn Imported into this country, and which have already appeared- From these facts it would appear the charges upon the transit of foreign corn were equal to a protection of from 19 to 20 shillings per quarter upon corn imported from Dantzic, and of from 28 to 30 shillings per quarter upon corn imported from Odessa, which latter was, moreover, of very inferior quality : it was impossible that any great increase in the growth of corn could take place. Let them look to these facts, and the agriculturists would be convinced that their fears were without foundation, and that they were doing a great injury to manufacturers without deriving any corresponding advantage to themselves.—(Hear, hear.) Dr. BOWRING would relate some facts, for which he was indebted to Mr. Martineau, and which would show that the high price of agricultural produce was really due to the extension of manufac tures. He would take them back a century, at which period Eng. her exports. was not a manufacturing county, and corn was among exports. In 1731 the average price of wheat was 325. per quarter, from 1741 to 1771 , i t was 37a. 9d. At th i s p e riod t h ere was a bounty of ss. per quarter on its exportation 7 , d. so th u a a t r , te i r r: fact instead, the real average was only from this period manufactures began t 026 u extend,arte per r ; in a q n d l7B w d e , find that in 1779 the average rice was 45 s s. p 455. 9d. ; in 1799, 555. 11d. ; p in 1809, 82 r in 1825, 575. sd. ; so that in half a century, in consequence . .; q in 1819, 88s. sd ; of wheat has reached of manufacturing prosperity, the average d pricea.s it was before the pros to 635. 6d. per quarter, instead of 265. Id perceive, that if they , they them. things, and they would perity of manufacturers. Let the agricul . tu " ral int d e i r d est n r o e t fl l ec en t d on s t s h si e s s t e selves mustagtreicstusltuuffrearlerisn.terests ance for ' the beadverencetmuacinlyt othfethgerea • The CHAIRMAN reported, that after mature consideration the Corn. mittee were of opinion that the fittest course to be pursued wou l d be • for Mr. Villiers to move tha t evi d ence be heard at thebar of the How ; as it would be impossible for the House to decide until th ey had heard their case; that they were fully prepared to enter into e v id ence, and they could not imagine the House would refuse to hear it. M. Gee. YOUNG asked whether the moti on was for the hearing of eviden only, or Counsel. The CHAIRMAN—Both.—(Hear, hear.) IRISH RAILWAYS. Dr. LEFR 0 Y said he wished to put a question to the Noble Lord the Secretary for Ireland, on the subject of Irish railways. It was of importance that the intentions of her Majesty's Government should be known with re spect to the Report of the Railway Commissioners for Ire land. He wished to ask whether it was the intention of the Government to propose any grant or loan of public money for the furtherance of those lines, or whether it was their intention to leave them to private spe culation ? This matter was of importance to the corn munity at large, because there were companies able, able, willing, and ready to commence particular lines, but, in consequence of a doubt as to the intentions of Govern ment, these enterprises had hitherto been checked. Lord NIORPETH, in answer to the question of the the Right Honourable and Learned Gentleman, begged to state that he hoped in a very short time to be able to communicate to the House, the course which her Majesty's Government proposed to pursue, with regard to the subject of Railway communication in Ireland.—( Hear, hear.) The House then adjourned. ROUSE OF LORDS, FEB. 11. Lord WYNFORD presented a petition from Becken ham (we understood) against the Poor-law Bill, and also a petition against the Beer Bill. The Bishop of LONDON moved that an ad dress should be forwarded to her Majesty, request ing copies of all memorials which had been forwarded to the Lords of the Treasury on the subject of letters being transmitted thou g h th e G enera l Post-office on the Lord's day, should be laid before that House. The subject was one of considerable importance to the public mind, and he thought it of great importance that satis faction should be felt on the subject. It was also his intention to move that an address should be pre sented to her Majesty that all information which had been received through the Court of the Directors of the East India Company from the Indian Government, with respect to the idolatrous practices there carried on, should be laid upon the table of that House. The Earl of RIPON wished to ask a question of his Noble Friend Lord Melbourne, whether the Government had entered into any understanding with the Pacha of Egypt with respect to his performance of his part of the Treaty. It might perhaps be consi dered that the Pacha was a dependant Prince on the Porte, but it was equally true that he was in the condi tion of an independent Prince. It might be the intention of that eminent person to act in variance with that treaty. It was of the greatest consequence to know whether any application had been made to the Porte to coerce the Pacha of Fgypt, should he be refractory, or whether to obtain any redress this country should be com pelled to take up the matter of coercion. It was of great interest to know how the matter stood. Lord MELBOURNE informed the Noble Lord that the Pacha of Egypt had signified to the resident Consul his in tention of complying with the conditions of the treaty. BOROUGH ACCOUNTS. _ _ Lord L YNDH URST said — that by the provisions of the Reform Act, accounts were ordered to be kept of the borough funds; those accounts were to be audited, each ac count was to be transmitted to the Secretary of State, abstracts of them were required to be made by the Secre tary of State, and laid before that House. Four years had now passed since the Reform Bill came into operation, and notwithstanding all the inquiries he had been enabled to make on the subject he had not been able to see a single abstract yet. He wished to know, therefore whether it :was the intention of the Noble Lord opposite to produce those ab stracts or not? Lord MELBOURNE said, that as he had stated last Session, there had been some delay about these accounts, but that now means Were taken to have them audited, which should be done as soon as possible, and then the ab stracts should be laid on the table. Lord L YNDHURST said that four years had now passed away without the production of any of the abstracts, although they were required to be laid on the table before the Ist of March in each year. Lord M ELBOUR NE—I really had forgotten them.— ( Laughter.) CORN-LAWS. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition, very nu merously signed, from Borrowstowness (as we understood), praying for a total repeal of the Corn-laws. The Noble and Learned Lord said that he found it would be more convenient for some of his Noble Friends, who had always taken a great interest in the subject of the Corn-laws, that he should make his motion on Monday, rather than on Friday next ; and as he was always very desirous of accommodating his Noble Friends he should postpone his notice till Monday, guarding himself, however, against that day being the same day on which that subject was to be brought on in the House of Commons. PRIVILEGES OF THE HOUSE. Lord BROUGHAM said it was always painful to him to allude to anything that passed elsewhere, and he should not have done so on the present occasion, but that he had seen a disposition to persist in the untruth, as he had stated the other night, of their Lordships' House having been guilty of a breach of privilege in suffering him to take notice on Tuesday last of what had passed in the other House of Parliament. It was in their Lordships' recollection that he had purposely abstained from saying any one thing respecting anything whatever that had passed in the other House.—( Hear.) A speech in Ireland was not something that had passed in the other House.--( Hear.) A letter written to Birmingham was not something that had passed in the other House. But notwithstanding he had distinctly stated that on Friday last he had not done so, he found it stated yesterday, in a Sun day paper, that the Speaker of that House had pronounced sentence on his conduct as having infringed the privileges that House, by alluding in] their 'Lordships' House to what had passed there. He would again say that he could not believe that that distinguished individual said any such thing ; but if he did say any such things he (the Noble and Learned Lord) was bound to add—not that that dis tinguished individual told an untruth, which he was utterly incapable of, but that somebody bad told him what he knew to be untrue--( Hear, hear)—and had made that dis tinguished individual the medium of conveying it to the House. He (Lord B.) should not have taken the trouble of having noticed it again, had the untruth not been put into the Speaker's mouth. Lord MELBOURNE said that there was no founda tion for the observation that the highest authority in the House of Commons had made such an assertion as the No. ble Lord had stated he was represented to have made. He was sure that that ,Right Hon. Gentleman was the last person who would have said anything approaching to it. Lord BROUGHAM agreed with the Noble Viscount that the Right Hon. Gentleman could not have said so ; but the Government print of yesterday had stated, that he had said so. The subject then dropped. The Earl of MINT() and Viscount DCNCANNON laid cer tain Returns on the table. LORD DURHAM—CANADA. Lord MELBOURNE said that he now rose to lay upon the table the papers of which he had given notice last week, upon the subject to which her Majesty had called the attention of Parliament in her Speech from the Throne, and also the Report made by the Noble Earl the late Governor-General and High Commissioner of her Majesty in Canada. It was quite unnecsssary for him to say any thing to enforce upon their Lord ships the great importance of these documents and the matters to which they referred, but he must say one word for the purpose of expressing the feel ings of her Majesty's servants with respect to the ur gency of the question, and the necessity that existed of laying some measure before Parliament to enable them to put an end to the unfortunate state in which the two provinces of the Canadas were at the present moment. They had found it impossible to make up their minds as to what course they should pursue until they were in possession of the views of the Noble Earl who had filled the office of Governor-General; but now that they were in possession of those views, they would lose no time in taking them into their consideration ; and he was in hopes that before the Easter recess they should be enabled to introduce a measure for the purpose of putting a speedy end to the discontents that existed in Canada. Lord WHARNCLIFFE could not but feel asto nished that the Noble Viscount and the Noble Earl had expressed their surprise and concerned the other day at observing that part of the Report had appeared in one of the public journals. He thought that that surprise and concern had been completely thrown away, for knowing as he did the great vigilance and desire that public newspapers always manifested to obtain all the information in their power, it was ludicrous to suppose that they would not obtain by some means or other the possession of a document, of which a great number of copies had been printed. He must say, after having read the report, that if ever there was a paper— if ever there was any subject under the direction of the Government that should have been kept from the eyes of the public until it had been laid before Parliament, that document was the one. In that Report, more espe cially the part referring to Upper Canada, there were cir cumstances that required the greatest consideration. He hoped the House would have some explanation as to how that Report came out and was published, before it was laid on the table of that House. It appeared to him that a more improper proceeding had seldom taken place, or one more lik e ly t o pro d uce pu bli c mischief. Lord DURHAM—I p resume t h at th e observations of the Noble Earl are directed towards myself. If that be the case, I beg to tell him with the greatest deference, and with the greatest courtesy, but with the greatest determination, that they are quite destitute of founda tion. In the first pl ace , I b eg to state that I don't know what are the intenti ons or w h a t ar e the motives of the Noble Lord, but he has entirely misrepresented what I stated to your Lordships on a previous evening. I never expressed my surprise that the report had been published, but I did express my regret that a portion, and only the latter portion, had appeared before the public. How did thi s matter stand ? I was urged b y h er Majesty's Government to lay thi s R e p or t b e f ore t h em previous to the meeting of Parliament, but what with my anxiety of mind and my limited: means of assistance in get ting the manuscript copy ready for the printer, I was unable to have them ready at that time. Every thing was prepared as quickly as possible on my part, and the proof sheets were sent to her Majesty's Ministers on the Thursday previous to the meeting of Parliament, and all was prepared and printed, and the official copies sent on Saturday night and laid before her Majesty in that shape on Mon day, as I was informed, and truly believe, by a communi cation from the Colonial Office. This report was intended to be laid upon the tables of both Houses, on the meeting of Parliament, and for this purpose upwards of 2,000 copies Mr. ENVART gave notice that to-morrow he should move for the appointment of a Committe for petitions. The Delegates then adjourned till to-morrow (this day). MEETING OF THE CHARTISTS OF FINSBURY.-(LAST NIGHT.) A meeting of the inhabitants of this district met last night at White Conduit House, for the purpose of carrying out the principles of the Charter. The meeting was crowded to suffocation. A great number of the provincial delegates were on the platform. BAILLIE CRAIG, Delegate from Renfrewshire, was called to the Chair, and was received with loud applause by the meeting, He came, he said, upwards of 400 miles, in the midst of this. inclement seasen, on the people's errand, for the purpose of advocating the cause of Universal Suffrage —a cause that they had all at heart. In a month, I hope I will have it in my power to return to my con: stit uents, with the pleasing intelligence that we have acquired nil' vernal Suffrage, without which, there is not the least chance of gel' ing any of those obnoxious laws repealed, which now press so heavY on the working classes. We are electing a Parliament o f our own. You will now have an opportunity of discerning the difference between the people's Members, and the Members of that House which assembles in St. Stephen's Chapel. You will see whether they are honest or not, a right which ought to be yours at all times. He returned thanks for their confidence in having called him to the chair, and begged to introduce to their notice Mr. Vincent, wh° would move the first resoluti o n. It was t o t h e effect—That this meeting approves of the princples of the people's charter, an d they engage not to desist from agitatio n un til it s pr i nc i p l es are c arried out. Mr. VINCENT, in a long address, spoke to the resolution with much effect, and on its being seconded by Mr. SANKEY of Edo'. burgh, it passed unanimously. Dr. TAYLOR, of Newcastle, next addressed the meeting, and was received with loud and oft repeated cheers. He addressed the meeting for nearly an hour in a speech of much force and energy , and which was received by the vast multitude with repeated acclamations. We give a few of the passages which Inn' t drew on the sympathies of the people. He must tell thee he was from th e l an d o f th e moun t a i n and of the flood.-...(Hear.) He did not at all anticipate a meeting of this magnitude; he was proud of its vastness, for it belied the assertions of the ene mies of the Charter when they said that London was inactive. He came from that country where liberty was worshipped in ber remotest glens, to London, not to agitate, but to deliberate, and if necessary to ACT—if necessary !I!—(Tremendous sensation, and cheers.) Du d the word touch you ? It does all ; then, if so, I will call on you some of those days. You must give proof that ye are not coward's you men of London. When the people are in earnest, who can withstand them ? There's is the power that none can overthroW. Imagine the thoughts of the aristocracy of the land, when they sometimes, as they do, meet one of those half-starved and famishing wretches whom their system of oppression keeps bowed down with the yoke of poverty, a system which brings to the multitude all the privations of starvation and a lingering death, and to the few riches and happiness.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Dr. Taylor continued, th e d ay i s come when we cannot stop. our way is pointed out; we must go on in our path ; there is no going back ; adva n c e i s t h e word. We will ask those who stand in our way to step aside, or come, with us, but if not, we must pass over them.—(Great cheers, and W e will.) That the Metropolis will be up and do its duty, whatever that dull be—(loud cheers, and " We will !")—whatever is required of you, money, agitation, or arms 2—(Great cheering.) Are they no t our own rights ? A re th ey not our ' s by the law of the Divinity ? Has not he imprinted in our souls a feeli n g that all are equal ? Is it not flat blasphemy to contradict it ? Mr LOWRY, a delegate moved the next resolution, which was 10 the effect that the National Convention had the confidence of the people. The workmen did not wish for blood : God forbid there ever should be a necessity for shedding it, but they know that there is a worse murder than that inflicted by the musket.—(Hear, hear.) There is the slow murder of oppression and degradation, which kill' by slow degrees. Mr. Mont seconded the resolution. Mr. DEEGAN, of Chissha, and Mr. Buggy, from Yorshire, spoke on the hardships of the Factory System, and were received wit h much applause, in support of the third resolution, which related to the getting up of funds to carry on the agitation. Dr. M'DONNELL, Delegate from Ashton-on-the-Lyne, half an hour on th e h ar d s hi p of Mr. Stephens, the Poor-law agi tator, and was loudly c h eere d b y the meeting. We cannot attemP t t from our limited spac e, t o g i ve even an outline of the Doctor's speech. spo ke for Mr. F. O'CONNOR was then called on, and his appearance received with deafening shouts, which continued for a — folig and were ended by three distinct round. of applause. He said he was anxious for this opportunity, as he felt more ante. rest in the classes who are represented by the persons who compose the' Convention, than for whose wh o have their representatives in another House. How do yo u like them ? Nething-like comparison ? Do not you think thes e men—(pointing to the assembled Delegates)—will be able to get through your business better than the gentlemen who sit i n that other house ? He was led to believe from the doctrine of that old 1 3,1 1. the Morning Chro n i c l e f or sometime past that he would be honoure d by having his name mentioned by the lips of Royalty in the Speech from the Thro ne. B ut such had not been the fact. This had astonished him, but had not Peel in one house, and VV! i s : lington in the other, t aun t e d L ittle Lord John Russell 'WU° not putting us down ?—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") We are to have a change, let it be a change for our good—(Hear, hear)—ths ue . pitiable Whigs hope to m a k e up for their in.door weakn ess by their out-door agitation, and by way of relieving us, they paid us over to the cotton lords, and money brokers, to assist them in getting up the agitation of the Corn-laWs - : that by so doing, we may give up that which must be efree tual for our good. (Hear, hear.) They clamour for 3 repeal of the Corn-laws now, because we demand Universal Sutlllig e • All the nonsense about physical and moral force makes us laugh' What are the titles by which all hold their kingdoms but by physical force. While little Johnny Russell was penning his epistle on physical force in Downing street, the Queen was leaning on the arm of her uncl e th e Ki ng of the Belgian!, walking on the terraces of the Castle. And how th e he acquire his kingdom but by physical force?--(Hear, hear:) Mr. O'Connor concluded a long speech by reminding his audi ence that they should have what they required, even if they died for it.—(Hear, and cheers, and "We will.") If he was 313 Irish peasant, he would be an Irish rebel.—(Hear, hear.) Il e was not afraid ; resistance to unconstitutional acts was virtue. -- Hear, and "IT is.") If we are to be resisted in our exertions to procure our happiness WHAT WOULD YOU DO!—(Here a loud an d deafening shout of, " We'll fight, we'll fight,' was repeated several times.) Mr. O'Connor then sat down without uttering another word. The resolution, and another of thanks to the Chaisman passed► and the meeting dissolved. SPORTING. INTELLIGENCE TATTERSALL' S— 1 7 E81'211714 r. THE DERBY. The attend ance , as is customary on a Mond a y, wa s toler ably full, and several horses were backed ; the betting, 11 ° 1 % ever, in the aggregate, was by no means heavy. Oa the Pli,F. c l pal favourites, the necessity of remark is obviated by the tritn . amount of business transacted, and the similarity of 0 7 odds to those quoted last week. In the horses fol.s lowing them the ease was different ; Zimmerman's friend to I ' b made several ineffectual attempts to get on at 18 while Kremlin, Epidaurus, and Oronooko were in so 1101e _ request that their prices , as compared with those of Thurso ,"' last, diminished several points. At the close of the room t° o dds again s t th ose h orses backed, or otherwise brought under notice, were as follow :- 1000 to 300 agst John Scott's lot—taken 6 to 1 agst Lord Jersey's lot—take 7 to 1 8 to 1 agst John Day's lot —taken and afterwards offered 9 to 1 agst Ld J ersey ' s Bro. to Bay .Middl e t on —t a ke 10 to I 15 to 1 agst Duke of Rutland's Flambeau—take 16 to I 16 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Erin-go-Bragh—taken 18 to 1 agst Colonel Anson's Zimmerman—take 20 to 1 25 to 1 agst Mr. Wreford's Westonian—taken 25 to 1 agst Lord Westminster's The Lord Mayor—take s 27 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Epidaurus--taken 27 to 1 agst Duke of Cleveland's Kremlin—taken and af terwards offered 30 to 1 agst Lord Lichfield's Gulnare colt—take 30 to 1 30 to 1 agst Lord Jersey's Ilderim—offered 30 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Accelerator —taken and aft er• wards offered 35 to 1 agst Duke of Richmond's Bulwark—taken 40 to 1 agst Duke of Richmond's Meunier—takes 40 to 1 agst Mr. Wreford's Wapiti 40 to 1 agst Mr. Batson's Brother to Plenipo 40 to 1 agst Duke of Grafton's "'Ether 45 to 1 50 to 1 ag st M , Si r. Mostr G. H Hugheathcote's OLuronoopus ko—taken 50 to 1 agst Lord Suffield's Vernon 1000 to 15 agst Sir G. Heatlicote's Chimborazo—taken 100 to 1 agst Duke of Richmond's Delos —offered 500 on Oroonoko agst Chimborazo, and the s a me on hi t° agst Valaine o u r t—t a k en 1000 on Oroonoko agst Tontine —taken 1000 o° agetßrot.hteo tßhraeyeAelvidedlntest.on, Appleton Lass, a nd Commodore, t winning -- - TURF APPOINTMENTS FOR 18$9. MAUCIE, JUST. Beverley ( `pring) Hampton (Spring) Warwick Spring Coventry • - Knutsford Bedford ... Edinburgh ..- A NUL. Newmarket Craven Cat terick Bridge Hambledon Hunt Bath Spring Newmarket First Spi ing ... 15 York Spring 3O Croston Park. Eglinton Park — Durham Epsom Spring Abergavenny Alalton 6 ...... 6 • 7 12 ...... ...... 13 14 • ..... , .... 19 28 • $1 ... MAY. Plymouth Spring 1 Chester Gorhambury 7 Epsom Reigate Manchester Ascot Bristol and Clifton -.._ Royston Liverpool Craven St. Alban's JUNE. 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