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.and that he did not doubt but the Militia of this Country and Ireland , would beat the French, when tver. they met. Mr. Nett(' said a few words in favour of the Bill. Sir EYRE COOTEstated, that he considered the question before the House was, whether the bounty for the Militiaman should be two or four guineas ; and as he had said on a former night, he was of opinion the mode of giving a small bounty was preferable to a ballot at this time, when it might be prejudicial to Ireland : he was now- more confirmed in that opinion by a farther communica. Lion with many Gentlemen around him from• that Country.. Respetting part of. the Troops which formed the Expedition to Holland, alluded to by the bateßigbtHon. Secretary at War, and which were in a great measure composed of Volunteers from the English Militia, he had only to observe, that upon all occasions they behaved with much gallantry, and were even brave to a fault. When exertions were pecessary, he was. certain that every man .would step forwatd and prove to the Enemy, that, notwith. standing his boasted threats, single and alone, un aided by- any Ally, we could by. British valour resist and repel any encroachment or insult that might be offered to us. . . Geveral MiIITLAND made several observations on the Militia of Ireland, and concluded with say. Ing, the , measure should have his support, as he' thought.theestablishment of a Militia Was of,the first importance to the two Countries. • WIL BrR FORCE said, at a . period when PtibliC Safety Was endangered, it was certainly highly necessary to - consider of the most efreaual Means of providing for that•safety.,. If any-Hon . . Gentliman•theught that the' present was such a.pie i‘ind,J.thn it was their-duty 'to propose whatever swans the;- thought the most effeaual forprovidlng for that safety. Tisere was: .a period, .however, when we had to Corsomd against the whole'force of France -•and..Spaiti„. when. the Militia . was increased syl!hone.any objeelion being made by his Hon. Friend (Mr...WiX-DIIMA),. which enabled him to plead his Right-ROM. Friend's authority against him. t'elf. The Militia was. the proper Constitutional Force of the Country, and formed that which Ar'e.,ought to have, a large Defensive Force, No Inan.could• - look upon a Standing Army with more constitutional, jealousy - than himself, but perhaps Ilon. Friend (Mr„WiNottroo) had a great love for Expeditions, and therefore thought that a.Mi. litia Force was not so immediately applicable for those purposes. If .a' Standing Army were to be raised in Ireland, instead of the proposed Militia, it must necessarily be inexperienced, 'and th“efOre those who.opposed the :Militia had no - right to make use of the tr:goment• of inexperience against it. Something had been said by his-Hon.:Friend, as if 'm a j est y' s Ministers were to set themselves above the Opinion of the People, but he thought, in a fi . ce•Countty like this, that popular. opinion, to - teeertain degree, was the best regulator of the contitid of : Government, and: ought to be consulted. .•. Meso4i.4X.4,VD.ER defended the System 0f..1141.. Brig Laws in'lreland, and observed, that Gentlemen of Rank and Fortune could not •be expeded to enter as 'Volunteers into the Regular , Sery ice ; they could best defeod their COnntry at the head of the' Militia. EL L 10T adverted to the point of older and said, it appeared. to him to be a new question, that when the House were called upon to vote an additional Boenty like the present, they should not he • allowed to go into the general question. - He objeaed. to theprnposed Bounty, because would tend to injure the Recruiting Service in Ireland. — The Constitutional mode of obtaining a MilitiN was by •Ballot ; but he was answered, that in Ireland a 134110 t• Cifiliti not he effdted—ohis ist his mind was an ohjeaioo against the .Establishment of a Militia. This measure went to. raise a Force in Ireland. on the principle of the Yeneibles ; it would 04. longer be-°a but a Fencible Force of the worst Species. lie had been told on a preceding evening, by the Allots. t/Fy.GttqltAL of Ireland, that - .he voted in. the House of Cimanons in Ireland for Militia Force: Mr. P.,,IGW.ELL spoke to order, .observing, that ale Right. lion. Gentleman tvas'referring to argument n4%.1 on'a former evening by a Gentleman not then in the House. Mr. ELLIOT proceeded. 'When he was iii office in Ireland, be, said, the Militia were not only em. bodied but: encamped, it would therefore not have been a very safe measure 40 have proposed at that period to dissolve it. What was the case now, when the Militia was disbanded ? The question now was as to its revival, and he objeAed to the policy of the measure. He did not wish to excite alarm, but if any measure-was calculated to excite alarm it was one like the ilesent, which went to lay the Cootitry prostrate at the feet of its enemies. With resped to the ittual danger : of. the Country, he hoped it would not. be led into a War in - darkness and obscurity, bet he should even - think a W a r in any shape preferable to a continued series of sub missive and pusillanimous condal: Lord C ASTLEREAGH said, the question before the House could. nut justify. the Hon. Gentleman in going into charges against His Majesty's Ministers, for submissive and pusillanimous - conduit. He was not surprixed at a disposition being evinced to dc. bate the present .measure,.as it arose out of a subject which, was dear to the Community. If his. Hon,. Fii en d s thought the defence of th-COUntry would be better maintained by - a Standing Army .than by a Militia Force, they. were certainly :perfeeily juhti. fled in making objedions to the latter,., -He differ. ed whit them: however in, toe; he was perfettly, satisfied that it wasimpossible to - (lave a better de_ feaceihan a Constitutional Militia Force, Balloting was undoubtedly the cOnstitutiimal mode of provid ing that Militia ; but. if, the question was as to the injury clone to Recruiting, there could he no doubt that the niode of .ballot was the most injurious..,— ilicre- were contrivances. in this Country. to render tbe.Ballot les* onerous by means of ratiTh Subscrip. dons present was only a mode of making:the County subscribe, as at Body, to raise the Men which it was called upon to provide.. - ffe was Sa thAed that Ireland could. not 'be considered 45 i n a P • erfea state of security,' if it was trusted to the de. fuzee if ;tea regular Troops alone, Lori .CQLE' contended, that the measure pro-, posed was fare best means ,of raisin an et etiive togoi - Colonel BAG WELL said, the Militia Were of great service in recruiting for the Line. Mr. HUEY ADDINGTOPT said, the argument which had been used, that the present measure would he injurious to the Recruiting Service, had hero conclusively answered by his Right Hon. Relation; and by the Noble Lord (1...0rcl Cot,r) near him. In fact there 'was a conclusive-answer to it in the nature of things, as it was well known that many persons would prefer a larger bounty and enlisting for life, whilst many alto would prefer a small bounty and a limited period of service. He had held a pretty high situation in a Fencible Regiment, part of which he had himself raised, and he did not know one individual amongst them, who from good will towards him, would have enlisted into the Re.: gular.Service ; and even • when it diShanded, not one fifth of the whole became regular Soldiers: With- respea to the. Militia, he would ask a dis., tinguished Officer (Sir ETKE COOTE) who had spoken in this Debate, whether, could a whole Re., giment of Militia have been sent to Holland, in . which there was a mutUal attachment and confidence between the Officers and Men, it would not probably have•served with as much courage and discipline', as any other ?. The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. F.t.a. as well as his Right Hon, Friend (Mr. Wt NDHANI)" had taken a comparative view of the -Militia and. the Regulars, but in such' a _way as to give all the merit to the latter ; and he confesssd some: comments had been made upon , the Militia, which excited uneasiness in his mind. If the present was, as.had been stated by a Right Hon. Gentleman, a period of greater danger than any during the late War; why depreciate one of our best supports ? He , could not help thinking that they shewed a want of consistency. The Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. WINDHAM) had thrown out, a charge against I lis Majesty's Government, of a want of prospelive wisdom, and another Hon. Gentleman (Mr. ELL' o had charged them with submisii veand pusillanimous =dud : he defied those Hon. Gentlemen to pro_- duee a single instance to prove those charges, and till they did that, such charges must be considered as mere random assettions, both by that House and the Country. Mr. Et.t.tor explained. • Mr. WICK/IAM said, it would- he still open to the Colonels of 'Militia, or the Lord Lieutenant, to continue the Bounty as it was before this measure, or to lower the present Bounty. There • was no intention at present of granting the whole Bounty mentioned in • the Resolution. Mr. NV Inuit Am, in explanation, said, he did not distrust the loyalty or - the- spirit of the tia ; but he still thought them inferior to Troops. of the Line. r. DA Int) N thought it whimsical that the present measure hhould be opposed only by the late Secretary at War fir England, and the late Secretary at War • for Ireland. The - Irish Militiai he said, had put 'down . Rebellion, and had mate rially contributed to repel Invasion. • 'file Resolutions were then agreed to, and a Bill ordered pursuant thereto. • TheSictsTAity at WAR brought up the Militia Officers wliiwl► was read a first time, and ordered to be read 4 second time to-morrow, and to be printed. The %firth. families Ili read a second time, and committed to a Selea Committee. Mr. CoR Y brought up tlia Irish Bank Rcstri6tion which was read a first tune, .and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. w K n hrought up the Irish Militia Pill, which Was mid a first time, and ordered to be re*i x 4, - .1;14 time to . morrow. The Comtnittees of Supply and Ways and Mans, were de ferred till ‘Vednesday. The Expiring Laws Bill was ordered to be react a third time to-monow. Adjourned at a Quarter pair Nine tilt tomorrow. MA I LS, DUE. ARRIVED. rrench liamburgh 7 THE SUN. 101.t.14 Q,UI4 nicßity 41.1 um AUDEAT ? LONDON, MARCH 17,1803. WI yesterday stated an account which was gene_ rally circulated, of a Vessel having been stranded near Brighton, having Arms arid Colours on board, and supposed to have been bound for Ireland. We find the real circumstances to be, that this Vessel, s French National Brig, called Le Paltry:, bound from Dunkirk to New. Orleans, was stranded on the 26th of ,December last. The Crew, it seems, did not abandon her till lately, anti ttpon an occident'sl examination of her the otho days )1w MIS found to contain some chests ofarms, which were forwarded to tht Admiralty, and were yesterday inspected time. She likewise had some.colours on board. Admiral Co*ww:ALOs-will command the Channel Fleet in case of War, but it ,will be fitted out under the orders of Lord GAttbwEtt, who will afterwards proceed to take the Chief Command at Cock. ‘. No Persoys in. the country can feel more anxiety.' than we do in the present r State of 'Affairs, hitt. we cannot convert that anxiety 'either into distruit or reproach. His Majesty's Ministers, as. they them selVes mot fairly anti manfully declare, are deeply responsible ; but those who infer criminality against them, without even waiting' to hear - their *case, evince a disposition as rr:pugtwnt to the Iritorests of the Nation, as it is to every just and honourable sentiment. Look at iher contiuti of Ministers since the Signature of the Treat) of 4zoiens, and look at the contluft,of Frincei, and what candid Man, with a Heart in his breast, will even say, that appearance 4 are agauhst thep r some, itte bt'arilift thern for having conCe.Sed ton much, and others for •intOrriapting roate upoo proncts, is it not most probable, that they have held a steady and a middle course ?—That, while they - have at tempted to fulfil the Treaty, of Amiens in its true Spirit, they have shewn, at the same time, a de termination not to be bullied and threatened out of out important and essential Interests ? If it should appear, because Egypt was not evacuated at a moment when there was too much - reason to suppose that France had views to forming an Esta. blishment 'there.—that therefore threats were held out of driving . oUr Army from Alexandria--if simi lar threati,have, been made to starve or to invade • A/a/ta,:althottgismo means have yet been discovered tcrplace thai . Island ih the independent state in which it was proposed to be placed by our Treaty with France —if menacing. language upon .other points has been held to our Ambassador at Paris— if Armaments have been prepated, and Ships com. missioned in the . Ports of France, without-Complete satisfadion as to the purposes of such measures— if, upon other anxious anti interesting points, ex planations have been refused, who is there in the Nation, valuing our existence as an Independent People, whet does not think that it is time to bring things to a point ? If we can bear insult ,added to injury, we have indeed lost the spirit , And charader of Englishmen, and we have nothing to do but follow the advice of those who, having laid themselves at the feet of the, FIRST eJtatn.., would advise the Nation to follow their example. Let its not be supposed,• in 'these . Retbarks, to .speak the sentiments or thelanguage of His Ma. jesty 's• Ministers. Whatever confidence they may place in us, we should do theM injustice if we in. sinuated that, upon the present occasion, we were • sanctioned by their authority in what we have ad. vaneed. - erWakspeak from our own information, and if we•are wrong, we will not at least involve them in Our mistake ; but judging froin what we have colleeled from various quarters, .we do believe there are grounds for these animadversions, and we have made them, because we cannot hear persons crying down Ministers for refusing information, pending a Negotiation, .and supposing, because a necessary and beneficial secrecy is observed, that therefore their case is not such as to bear the fullest investi. gation—we cannot, we say, hear this without stating what we know to be the fki, that f ro m t h e Signature of the Treaty of Amiens to the present. time, they have shewn a moderation and forbear. once, never surpassed in the annals of History, and under circumstances which might, perhaps, have I justified a different conduct. If the present discussions lead to War, much fuller communications will be made to. Parliament than have been.made.upon: former occasions:---We shall of.course then makeronr remarks at largeaspon the subjea.—ln.the mean time r surely thedifficulties which surround us ought to unite, not to sow dieten. tions,among he—United, we may bid defiance , to France—divided, .we have much to dread either from Peace or War.—We should rejoice upon this occasion to • see a union :of all the talents of the Country—Differences of opinion, even dpon - essen. tial points, must be forgotten or suspended, when the very existence of . :the Nation is 'at stake. We shall be alarmed indeed if we see Party Hostia lity increase. with' our difficnities.—We shall, feet :ourselves)rconfident of 'safety and success, if we . : sm. the Nation animated by the 'same spirit' which was so generally evinced upon one occasion in the course of the last War, to which we are unwilling to allude, but which fora ihdtt time threatened the destruetion*of the• Empire. If we are driven to war,. we hope the name bfilattoN will not be tarnished by. the discovery. in the 'course of it, either of Traitors, or abettors of Traitors— that Treason will become •the;subjetli not of party support, but of general .execration . ; and that we shall find that true.•oicl British• Spirit revived,'which has, upon former occasions, diredecl our efforts with so much success against the ambition and hostility of France. A large quantity of Military Stores is preparing at Woolwich for the Islioid of Malta. •There are some apprehensions entertained, and perhaps not very, ill-founded, that the Squadron 4nnouncecl as about to sail from Brest for India, is ;destined to stop at the Cape of Good Hope, and 'quietly take possession of that Settlement. -,W e . have no-doubt its sailing will be properly watched by our Government, if not absolutely prevented till its real destination be ascertained. it *as yesterday reported that M.TALLIICRAND had been )disoslised, and, according to other ac.. cottuts,that.4s wa s % dead, and that M. OTTO had been appointed his successor. We believe these to be mere stocking.jo . bbing rumours. The Cimbridgishire Militia, commanded by His ,Excellency the LORD LIEUTENANT of IRELAND, are to be under arms next week. The Hertfordshire Militia, commanded by the Marquis of SAL [MIRY, are also to he under arms next week, at their respedive head.qoarters. Yesterday a Court of Direaors was held at the Ea.t.india House, when. Captain EDXI3AD Es, of the ky Caxtlertagh, and Captain Roa EATSON, of the Caolereagh, for Madras and Bengal ; and stain Leax INS, df the Warm; Haiti/iv, fin Stn. took ICIIVe of tho Courts NAVAL N hWS. PLYMOUTH, Matitcji 15. Tins morning the Cokrageux, of 74 guns, and Ne... , ..e4i$ Frigate, went out of the Harbour : the for. in:r anchored in Cawsand Bay ; the latter sailed to . the Westward. The Sirius Frigate also sailed this morning to the Westward ; said to be under Sealed Orders. The greatest exertions are still using to com• ple:e the Ships of War for sea ; and in the course of a few days several may be expedid to go out of Harbour. Arrived the Asalasta Sloop, from Mounts Day; aisciih"e - dalio - Sloop, - with loss of foremast. PORTS MOUT H,II I IARcH 16. Aittlyto Racves, from Guernsey. Sailed three Revenue Cutters to the westward, with the Gangs for Pressing. DEAL, MARCH z 6. ' Attittteto the Milhrook Schooner, froth Ports' moat!), and the Deptford Navy Transport from Deptford. Sailed :the American Ships Galen and ginerva for Boston, At! kn. for Philadelphia, and Mar./land for New.Notk. , Remaip, His Majesty's Ship Amblercadr, Rearm Admiral THORNBOROUGH. iresterday soon after one o'clock, HIS M A ' J *STY arrived at St.. James's Palace from Bucking ham House and held a Levee, which was very no." therously . a t tended. At One o'clock the Deputation from the Valve?: sity of Cambridge, and other Gentlemen educated at that learned Semina, assembled at the That ch. ed.house Tav e rn, S t . James's.streer, and proceeded in grand processsion to the palace. Soon atter their arrival, His MAJESTY Taira to the Great Council Chamber, and being seated °T. his Throne, was presented with the Address os Congratulation, which Hts MAJESTY most grad' ously received. . The ARC Ha rotor of CANTERBURY presented congratulatory Address from the two Provinces of the Clergy assembled in Convocation at Canterbury, and York. The following Addresses were likewise, pre. sented : Carmarthen, by Mr. Paxton; Liverpool, by Generit Tarieton and Mr. Hargrave, the Recorder ; Yard. mouth, by the Margins Townshend ; Winchester, by Si! Richard (;anion ; Middlesex, by the Sheriffs ; Warwickshire, by Mr. Dugslale ; Hastings, by 'Lord Glenbervie and lir- Nlilward Bristol, by Mr. Prothero (the Sheritf,) and f• Bragge, and Mr. Baillic ; Buckinghon, by the iheridi . and 'Lord Temple ;. Borough of Southwark, by Mr. :Thornton, Mr. Tierney, and a number of others ; Sirire• (the MAyoc i; Wigan. by Mr. Leigh ; Plymouth, by lilt. I , alti,g . Guildford, by Lord Gra.ntley ; Mait;stra„lc 64 hi ""wki " sex, by Mr. Mainwaring; Surrey, by Lord viisl,ow wish, by Sir Roger Kerrison, Mr, W. Sm i t h, and Mr. kV I"wes, the Members ; Lancashire, by M. Stanley and mr. Biackbume, the Members ; and a number of other Addresses, The following Pre4entations took place' to HI. NIA; : Lurd Melville Misted hands on his creation to the Title. Major-Gen. Loftus, on Ws promotion to be Colonel of the 2 4 th Regiment of Light Dragoons, by Matirris Townshend. Mr. in. Cilivenlsh, by his father, Lord George Caverta dish. DOZe Of $l. Albans, on hir ina4 . age, by his brother Lori F../Seauclerk., Mr. W. H. Fellowei, M. P. for Huntingdon, by of :iandwich. T i he Citevi i ier d'Edelerantz, by the _Swedish Envoy. (var. Bouverie, by Lord Radnor. The following Gentlemen received the honour of Knighthood Charles Blake, William Paxton, and William Biizzard , Lord NELSON, Lord GARDNER, and s everal other Admirals, kissed hands on their several Ap-, poirittnents to their different Stations, General . Als'D R EOSSY was yesterday at Court, anti was for some time in conversation with the Kttru. The Levee was more numerously attended than any within the recolleftion of the oldest person, about St. James's., His MAJESTY was heard to observe, he never S43W 80 full a Levee. 'Every Mat leading td St. James's was blocked up. Hts MA"- JESTY did not warn to Buckingham-House till six o'clock.. Yesterday the remains of the Duke of Baitios.. WATER were removed from his house in Clevelan d scivare, fol. interment in the Family Vault in Hert" ford Shire. Yesterday. the toil) Maros, .held Ewa:** Court ofAidermeo, at which RIciIARD lAA/ B I T lately clear& Alderman of Coleinan.street WAN' took the usual Oath,and his Seat. , • The First Regiment of the East India Volunteers was called out (yesterday * and was attended by all f the Officers and Non.commissioned Officers of the Second, and .Third Regiments, in the Bengal. warchouse;_ in igew.street, Bishopsgateatreet. -... Four hundred and fifty 'young men, who 'Were ad mitted into the East India Company's warehouses to labourers, since the commencement of Peace , re. _ ceived orders •yeiterday to be immediately ernbo and proper officers to be appointed to disciPli n. them with all possible dispatch. • • •M ARVEL . ): . At gull, Edward Mitchell, Esq. to Miss Wr4;daughte ofjohri Wniy, Esq of that place, Banker. DAY. Blot Sttick 171711 - - , India Stock 207 II Navy 1 rerCeit I. 961 8i 8 South Sea Stl)i..k i per Cent. t-tr. shut L )(Oleg. bills; s, 5. dill. l till% s per Cent. • FuntNitie ditto prem. 4 per Lent. Len. shut "Id Exchequer dills dis. 3 per ant: Red. shut ' Onminin 14. r4i• 12 3 per Cent. Con. 63130 sj Impe;. 3 per Cent_ 63iii i , itid • Scrip Ditto Ann. to tpl6i Rank I,..Ann t .shut . 1 dank for opentug Ditto Short Ann. India fur A cc. Ditto Ship . . . Cons. (Or April 6.3 i 4 1 : 41 51 ' THIS DAY AT TWILV 5 O'CLOCK. Consoti, - . - - • -" 65 i_..±2...62...L.... lfltits London : Printed by 11. 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