The Sun. — London, England, 1839-08-01 00:00:00

itVI47:NING EDITION. AFFRAY IN CARLOW. (From the Carlow Sentinel.) On Thursday last, the .25th instan cnief constaf.; Cox, of Borris, accompanied by Chal: l .Z73 H. Tuckey, Lige proceeded to the rail' of St. Mullins, in thts county, to protect the pdblic peace, that district having lately been much disturbed, owing to the ex istence of local feuds, and the hostility of rival factions. On their arival on the a round the constabulary took up 4 position on an elevated mound at the southern extre of the fair green, from which they could command a view of the whole field. Great crowds were assembled from the county of Wexford, and from the " Roar," in the county of Kilkenny, and it was observed that great excitement prevailed from an early hour, occasioned, it was stwposed, by the revenue police having seized and carried off 80 gallons of unpermitted spirits from the tent-keepers. The people remained tolerably quiet until about five o'clock, when a large mob, armed with stones and bludgeons, assembled in the centre of the fair green, and marched to where the constabulary were stationed, and commenced without the slightest provo cuticle an attack on the Msagistrates and police with stones. Their chief con table charged down the hill and arrested three of the ringleaders, namely— James and Patt Morrissey, and Moses Curran, a noto rious offender, for whose apprehension large rewards were offered by the Government. He returned with his prisoners to his former position, and again bore with unexampled forbearance the pelting of the mob, who were excited by the prisoners taking off their hats and shouting " to rescue them if they were not cowards." During an hour the constabulary were exposed to the discharges of stones and missiles, which they bore with 'the greatest coolness and fortitude, although some of them were severely hurt, and the Magistrates and the officer repeatedly struck with stones. At six o'clock, leaving a party of his men with Mr. Tuckey, and head' constable Sullivan, in charge of the prisoners, Mr. Cox, C.C., proceeded with the remainder to order the publi cans to strike their tents. The mob, anticipating this movement, immediately surrounded Mr. Cox and his party and commenced an indiscriminate attack on the men with large paving -stones, procured from a gravel pit ad joining the scene of action. They then raised the cry of " Carrickshock for ever," and closed on the party, se veral of whom had fallen, particularly constable Craig, who bled profusely, having received a blow of a stone about six pound weight on the head ; and constable Connor, who fell at the side of his officer. Perceiving that the object was to massacre the party, the front rank fired and brought down a few of the rioters ; this caused the mob to reel, but they renewed the attack, when the rear rank gave them a second volley, wounding several of the rioters, who shortly after dispersed, and the po lice effected their retreat in good order to their former position. Several of the mob were severely wounded— some it is believed mortally—but their number cannot be ascertained, as their friends bore them off the field without delay. Two men, named Byrne and Fitzpatrick, who were identified as leaders, were badly wounded, and a woman had her arm broken. Thus terminated a struggle on the part of the police in defence of their lives—and on that of the mob, one in which they sought to immo late the constabulary as they did at Carrickshock. At eight o'clock the party left the fair, and safely depo sited their prisoners in Borris, and on this day they were committed to prison by Mr. Tuckey. We hope this may induce the multitude to abstain from future attacks on the constabulary. FURTHER PARTICULARS.—Since the above was written, we learn that two of the rioters have died of their wounds, and that seven others, supposed to be mortally wounded, are in such a condition as to pre clude all hope of recovery. The whole district is in a state of feverish excitement, and the most serious ap prehensions are entertained that the police stations, situate in isolated parts of the country, will be attacked by the peasantry. We hope, however, that these ap prehortsions are not well grounded. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. B 0 TV- S TREE T. A youne. man, of respectable appearance, named John Standert Dab ymple , who seemed to be in a delicate state of health, was yesterday brought up, on a warrant, by Keys, the officer, charged with falsely assuming, the name and character of persons for the purpose of feloniously obtaining certain prize-money from the Lords and other Commissioners of her Majesty's Hospital at Chelsea. 'Mr. Bicknell, Solicitor to the Hospital, conducted the prosecution, and Mr. Dignum attended on behalf of the prisoner. - Mr. R. Bellamy, Chief Clerk in the Secretary's Office, being sworn and examined by Mr. Bicknell, said, I super intend the private business of the Hospital under the direc tion of the Secretary, and the lists of forfeitures and un claimed shares are kept in the office to which I belong, ,containing the names of officers who have shares due to them, with their respective ranks, and the amounts due to them. After a lapse of six years the unclaimed shares be come forfeited and go to the funds of the hospital, but in case a claimant ahesuld demand a forfeiture, he was obliged to petition the Commissioners stating why he did not claim at an earlier period, and when the amount is under 501. the Comraississners have a power to pay it without letters of administration being exhibited, and then a certificate of identity of the party applying is required, the nature of which is a declaration before a Magistrate as to the rela tionship, and a confirmatory certificate of the Minister of the parish and the Churchwarden, but the public have no access to such prize lists. The prisoner had been clerk in the Treasurer's office, but left about the year 1833, and his duty was to answer letters on prize claims. The prize lists VIM kept in the office where he had been employed with other clerks, several of whom have since left the establishment. There are among others the prize lists for the capture in Holland, and Lieutenant Swan was one who via entitled to prize-money which bad been paid in the early part of the present year. An application had been made for it which amounted to 351. Bs. 10d. and several letters produced had been receivecLin the name of Maria Wightman, late Swan, but I required that she would send a certificate to show her identity, and I sent answers to that effect to Windsor-street, Uxbridge, from whence the application was directed, enclosing a certificate produced as a form, which was returned filled up as it appears ; acting upon it as if it was a genuine document, and in consequence of the certificate, a form of a bill was also sent, upon which she was to draw the amount. The bill produced came back, mid upon it the prize money was paid to the agents, the bill being purported to be drawn by Maria Wightman. The prize list for the Saldanah Bay money was also in the office, and Capt. James Welsh was entitled to a part of that capture to f,he amount of 491., for which I received an application from a person representing himself to be J. H. Wels4, and in consequence of the correspondence I sent down the form of the certificate produced to that person, at St. Alban's, which was returned filled up as it appedes, and believing it to be a genuine document I sent > down a form of the bill produced, which was presented in the usual way, and the money paid by an order on the Paymaster- General. Mr. Thomas Man Lake, a bookseller, residing at Ux bridge, proved that the Post-office was kept at his house of business, his father being the Post aster. Witness re collected a letter coming to the offidre with the Chelsea Hospital Frank, addressed to the care of Mr. Charles Wightman, for As. Wightman, of Windsor-street, and it being sent by mistake to a Mrs. Wrightman, it was re turned by her when she had opened it. The letter was opened in the presence of witness, and it was found not to be for that lady. A man, who appeared to be the person for whom the letter was, applied to witness to know why the letter had been opened. Witness believed the prisoner to be the man who had made the application, and being informed under what circumstances it had been opened, he appeared to be satisfied, and he took the letter away with him. He thought the occurrence took place about the month of March last, and he had sufficient conversation with the person, to be certain of his identity. Witness subsequently made inquiries if a person named Wightman resided in Windsor-street, and he was told that no person at present lived there, although a person of that name used to call there occasionally about the time in question. No Magistrate named George Clarke, resided at Uxbridge at that time, nor was a R 4. Mr. Wiseman, minister of Ux bridge, nor was Mr. John Moss, the churchwarden, and the several names on the certificate produced were all ficti tious ; nor did a Mr. Wilder, the endorser of the bill, re side there. In answer to questions by Mr. Dignum, the witness said the prisoner was only once in his shop to speak to him, although he often taw him with his back turned in the streets, and he was not aware that any person heard the conversation ; but on seeing the prisoner in a house in the liampstead-road, on Tuesday last, he believed him to be the person, and he was told by the postman that he was an Occasional resident at Uxbridge at the time in question. Mr. TWYFORD-Have you any doubt of his identity at Pooserit ? Witness—l believe him to be the person. Stow long was it after the man called that the letter was delivered to Mrs. Wrightn;an? Wit ness-4)n the same day. The letter was brought back by the postman in the first instance and being opened by her she immediately returned it. Mr. TwyFoitut-Had you any doubt upon your mind on Tuesday last respecting the identity of the prisoner ? Witness—l had no doubt, nor have I now, that ho is the person. Mr. J. Holland, agent to the St. Alban's Bank, at High Wttham, proved that he was applied to in the month of January last, to cash a bill for a person in the name of Welsh. The bill produced was the same, and it was left with his wife by a person representing himself as a Mr. Winter, and who called for the amount on the following morning. The prisoner was the person, and witness un • derstood him to be the person to whose order the bill was drawn. He asked for eash for the bill, which witness re fused, as he was a stranger, telling him th at if he could give reference to any respecfable person in the lifewn who would indipsee it, the money should be paid. The prisoner said he vas an entire stranger , and was stopping at the Q ueen ' s Head, but he woul d call a g ain, adding, th at he was not then 4, to C helsea nx i o us about it, and if he could n o t get i t, he should return furit, upon which witn ess to l d him he would present; the bill fur acceptance, ur g i ve him the amount wheiNt was honoured. The prisoner did not call again until the tenth day (the bill being for seven days), when witness said h e b a d not received any advice upon the subject. He called again in three days, and he was desired to call again the next morn ing, as it was a two day's post from Reading ; but he said be was going to feside at Henley-upon-Thames, and he could receive the amount at Reading; requesting, at the same time to get a letter to Messrs. Simmonds, the bankers, at. Reading, to pay him the amount ; and witness, considering the request reasonable, be gave such a letter as he wished for. He had no doubt as to the identity of the prisoner, having repeatedly seen him in the street and in his house, where he had frequent conversations with him. I Mr. Twyroan considered that the r. , " plete in both cases; and , r _..uenCe was com over, aer the witnesses were bound r, the a ~., r w iso a n t e e r . was removed in the custody of the ; 1 .ncer to N jj eg - MEGPUNN AISM. We copy the following account of a horrible &vision or branch of the crime of Thuggism, from The Friend of India, April 11 : _ _ MAJOR SLEEMAN'S REPORT ON MEGPUNNAISM. We now redeem our pledge of giving an abstract of the valuable Report which has just been sent into Government, on the subject of Mcgpunnaism. This barbarous term refers to a division of the crime of Thuggee, out of which it grew, after the siege of Bhurtpore, in 1826. While the Thugs murder their victims to obtain their wealth, the Megpunnas immo late travellers to obtain their children, whom they afterwards sell into slavery. The:great founder of this system, Kheata Jemadar, was considered so holy a man, that after his, arrest he was entreated by the villagers to extinguish a fire which had broken out in a village ; and by a singular coincidence, the fire qeased as his hands were extended to heaven in supplica tion. The greater part of the gangs who have en gaged in this revolting system of murder sustain the character of religious mendicants ; and the system itself is firmply believed to be under the patronage of the goddess Kalee. In common with the Thugs, they have a slang language, common to all the initiated. Unlike the Thugs, however, they always take their families with them on these murderous expeditions ; the females assist in inveigling travellers, and in tak ing charge of the children, till they can be disposed of. Their victims are generally chosen from the more indigent elasses, the disappearance of whom is less likely to excite suspicion than that of more wealthy in dividuals ; and they find that it is more lucrative, as well as more safe, to murder the poor for the sake of their children, than the opulent for their wealth. The Brinjarras, who are widely scattered throughout the upper provinces, are ever ready to receive the children of the murdered parents ; and they enjoy many facili ties for subsequently distributing them among the brothels of the principal cities, or disposing of them to men of wealth and consideration. Suspicion may be at once lulled by the declaration, that the children were purchased from indigent parents, who had no longer the means of supporting them. The system is of so recent an origin, that it has not as yet spread farther than the Upper Dooab, the Delhi territories, and the Rajpootana and Alwar States ; and the number of the initiated does not exceed three or four hundred. The conviction of offenders is rendered difficult, by the cus tom they adopt of throwing the bodies of their victims into the nearest river, and by the distance to which the children are carried, and the obstacles which are fountl in tracing and identifying them. The present Report consists of the confessions of some of the principal offenders, and the depositions which were taken in cases brought to light by the exertions of the officers in the Thuggee department. The Report closes with a list of two hundred and twenty-three Thugs employed in the system of murder ing indigent parents for the sake of their children, who are still at large ; together with their age, caste, con nections, and their respective districts ; and a note ap pended to it says—" A gang of forty-four of the above prisoners has been arrested by Lieut. Mills since this list was preferred ; and with them seven more children of murdered parents have been recovered." It is to be hoped that the energetic measures adopted by Major Sleeman and his assistants have been suc cessful in arresting the progress of this crime, if not of extinguishing it altogether. Without such vigorous exertions there can be little doubt that it would, like its parent crime, have spread to the utmost limits of this empire, marking its progress with desolation and death. THE UNITED STATES ARMY. (ntom CAPT. MARRYAT'S " DIARY IN AMERICA.") A standing army is so adverse to the institutions, and so inoffensive to the people of a democracy, that, were it possible, there would be no such thing as American regular troops ; but, finding it impossible to do without a portion, they have a force as follows : General Staff Medical Department Pay ditto Purchasing ditto 3, Recruits and Uuat- Corps of Engineers 2 Bl tached Topographical lO Ordnance Department On which military force the privates amount to only .5,6.52 men. This is very insufficient, even to distribute among the frontier forts as a check to the Indians ; but now that the Florida war has so long occupied the troops, these outposts have been left fn a very unprotected state. Isolated as the officers are from the world (for these forts are far removed from towns or cities), they contrive to form a society within themselves, having most of them recourse to matrimony, which always gives a man something to do, and acts as a fillip upon his faculties, which might stagnate from such quiet monotony. The Society, therefore, at these outposts is small, but very pleasant. All the officers being now educated at West Point, they are mostly very intelligent and well informed, and soldiers' wives are always agreeable women all over the world. The barracks turn out also a very fair show of children upon the green sward. The accommodations are, generally speak ing, very good, and when supplies can be received, the living is equally so ; when they cannot, it can't be helped, and there is so much money saved. A suttler's store is attached to each outpost, and the prices of the articles are regulated by a Committee of Officers, and a tax is also levied upon the suttler in proportion to the number of men in the garrison, the proceeds of which are appro priated to the education of the children of the soldiers and the provision of a library and news-room. If the Government were to permit officers to remain at any one station for a certain period much more would be done ; but the Government is continually shifting them from post to post, and no one will take the trouble to sow when he has no chance of reaping the harvest. Indeed, many of the officers complained that they hardly had time to furnish their apartments in one fort, when they were ordered off to another—not only a great incon venience to them, but a great expense also. The Amercan army not a favourite service, and this is not to be wondered at. It is ill-treated in every way. The people have a: great dislike to them, which is natural enough in a democracy ; but what is worse, to curry favour with the people, the Government very often do not support the officers in the execution of their duty. Their furloughs are very limited, and they have their choice of the outposts, where they live out of the world, or the Florida war, when they go out of it. But the greatest injustice is, that they have no half-pay ;if not wishing to be employed, they must resign their commissions and live as they can. In this point there is a great partiality shown to the navy, who have such excellent half-pay, although, to prevent re marks at such glaring injustice to the other service, an other term is given to the naval half-pay, and the naval officers are supposed to be always on service. The officers of the army are paid a certain sum, and allowed a certain number of rations per mouth ; for in stance, a Major-General has two hundred dollars per month, and fifteen rations. According to the estimated value of the rations, as given to me by one of the offi cers, the annual pay of the different grades will be, in our money, nearly as follows : ARMY. Major- General Brigadier- General NAVY. Same rank Do• Colonel 340 Lieutenant-Colonel 280 Major Do. Do. Captain 2OO First Lieutenant Second Lieutenant ... 140 Cadet The cavalry officers have a slight increase of pay. The privates of the American regular army are nor the most creditable soldiers in the world ; they are chiefly composed of Irish emigrants, Germans, and de serters from the English regiments in Canad a . Ame ricans are very rare ; only those who can find nothing else to do, and have to choose between enlistment and starvation, will enter into the American army. They do not, however, enlist for longer than three ye ars . There is not much discipline, and occasionally a great deal of insolence, as might.be expected from such a col lection. Corporal punishment has been abolished in the American army, except for desertion ; and if ever there was a proof of the necessity of punishment to en force discipline, it is the many substitutes in lieu of it, to which the officers are compelled to resort—all of them more severe than flogging. The most common is that of loading a man with thirty-six pounds of shot in his knapsack, and making him walk three hours out of four, day and night without intermission, with this weight on his shoulders, for six days and six nights, that is, he is compelled to walk three hours with the weight, and then is suffered to sit down one. To wards the close this punishment becomes very severe, the feet of the men are so swelled that they cannot move for some days afterwards. I inquired what would be the consequence if a man were to throw down his knapsack and refuse to walk. The commanding officer of one of the forts replied, that he would be hung up by his thumbs till he fainted—a variety of picquetting. Surely these punishments savour quite as much of seve ritxond are quite as degrading as flogging. The pay of an American private is good—fourteen dollars a month—out of which his rations and reginien tals take eight dollars, leaving him six dollars a month for pleasure. Deserters are punished by being made to drag a heavy ball and chain after them, which is never removed day or night. If discharged they are flogged, their heads shaved, and they are drummed out at the point of the bayonet. PROTECTIVE MIT I Es.—Where would have been the large incomes of the owners of the soil, and what would have been the condition of the population at large, bad our skilful artisans and our indefatigable and enter prising merchants persisted in an indolent dependence on that fallacious system of protection to which the landlords, as a body, still so blindly adhere ?—Anti. Corn-law Cir cular. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it certainly was his in tention to propose such a measure in the present Session, for he would be sorry that the recess should be lost with out the Magistrates having an opportunity of making pre parations for such a force. The Payment of Rates Bill was read a second time. The Ecclesiastical Districts Bill was read a third time. Sir S. LUSHINGTON brought up a clause, directing how the consent of the patron shall be given in certain cases under the acts referred to in the Bill. The Bill was then passed. POOR RATES COLLECTION BILL. On Lord J. BUSSELL moving the Order of the 121. 1 for the second reading of the Bill, Mr. HAWES inquired what course the Noble Lord intended to take with respect to the business before the House that evening ? He had understood the Poor Law Continuance Bill was to come on the first thing. Lord JOHN RUSSELL replied that he had under stood it was the wish of the House that the discussion on this Bill should be taken on going into Committee, and not on the second reading. He would therefore move that the Bill be now read a -second time. He would take this opportunity of stating that it was his intention to postpone the Poor-law Commissioners Bill till to-morrow. Mr. HAWES said he objected to the Bill on account of the nature of the remedy which it gave to Guardians against overseers. The Board of Guardians ought not to have any greater power against Overseers than Overseers now had against any contumacious rate-payer; but the Bill proposed to give Guardians the power to issue a warrant of distress against any refractory Overseer. He should not object to this power if it was attended with some safeguard. The Guardians ought to proceed by way of summons—there ought to be a hearing and an adjudication. He objected to the principle of the Bill in toto, but would not oppose its going into Committee if the Noble Lord would intro duce a clause to the effect stated. l Word JOHN RUSSELL said be understood that the Hon. Gentleman did not object to the powers granted by this Bill if they were necessary. Now the Hon. Gentle man knew that there were cases in which a Board of Guardians having been elected, and proposing to proceed according to law for the relief of the poor, they had not been able to procure from the Overseers the money necessary for that purpose, and thus were placed in the greatest possible difficulty. Having a duty imposed upon them by law, and not being able to obtain requisite funds from the Overseers with whom the money rested, it could not be denied, therefore, that these cir, cumstances rendered this Bill necessary. He (Lord J. Russell). was quite ready to consider in Committee whether any proviso or amendments could .be intro- duced which would not interfere with the effi dent working of the Bill. But the Honourable Member must be aware that if any proviso were introduced by which the legal question should be raised, and the detti§iott of that question postponed for a year or a year and a half, the ohjeCt of the Bill would be frustrated, for the poor could not wait Kt long a period. Sc me persons might bold that Guardians and Unions Were altogether unnecessary, or improper, but while they existed by law they must not be left in a condition in which an Act of Parliament imposed a duty upon them tiiC; wer e unable to exercise, and by charging them with a respon sibility which they could not bear, would compel them to resign their offices and leave the law unexecuted. Mr. GRIM SD ITCH objected to the Bill, thinking the present law sufficient for all necessary purposes —declaring the Bill in some parts to be an ex post facto measure, and deprecating an interference with the rights of the local Poor-law authorities to manage their own concerns. The Hon. Member concluded by moving that the Bill be read a second time that day three months. Mr. T. DUNC 0 MBE would most cordially second the amendment of the Hon. Member, because he did not see why this measure, as well as others, should not be post poned to another Session. The first and second clauses were most objectionable, as, in truth, was the whole Bill. There was fraud upon the very face of the Bill. It was a new law altogether, although it was called only a decla ratory one, but it was declaring that to be law, which the Court of. Queen's Bench had decided was not. That Court declared that the collector of rates was not the officer of the Guardians. The clause was a most insidious one, and he would vote against the Bill in every stage, so that it might during next Session receive that consideration to which it was entitled. _ Mr. CLAY could not oppose the second reading of the Bill, because it did not take the collection of rates from the local authorities. He was of opinion that :if they threw upon the Guardians the burden of relieving and keeping the Poor, it was necessary to give them the power of getting the means of doing so. He was of opinion, however, that it would be necessary to insert a clause for the prevention of litigation. He did not think the Bill could remain in the state in which it at present stood, but he trusted that beneficial alterations would be made in Committee. After a few observations had been made by Mr. R. PALMER and Lord JOHN RUSSELL, in a very inaudible tone across the table, Mr. WAKL E Y said the Bill was so objectionable that he hoped it would be rejected at once. The Hon. Mem ber for the Tower Hamlets said he objected to the mea sure, but he hoped that certain amendments would be made. That was the way they were everlastingly going on. When a Bill of this kind was once read a second time it was easily passed through Commitee, and became the law of the land. He agreed with his Hon. Colleague in thinking that no Bill properly framed would ever emanate from Somerset House. The powers of the Poor-law Commissioners were enormous, and the present Bill was as violent a coercion Bill against a certain class of men as was ever framed. This was a Bill of Pains and Penalties against those officers who resisted the introduction of the Poor-law Amendment Act. What pretence was there for introducing a law of this description into parishes in which the parishioners were content with the present mode of management ? The Bill gave the Commissioners the most extraordinary powers. The Noble Lord had promised that a general measure should be introduced next Session, and this Bill ought to be deferred till that time. He cordially sup ported the amendment. Mr. G. PALMER did not think the House would allow any one to exercise greater power over the Over seer than he could exercise over the rate-payer.—( Hear. ) Mr. HUME said he hoped the Noble Lord would not press the Bill, for it violated two principles of great im portance which, looking to the present feeling against the New Poor-law, and the recent refusal of the House to effect certain ameliorations in its provisions, it was ex ceedingly injudicious to do. The Bill took from the public officers of each parish the power of levying, as the original Act directed, the rates from the parishioners. Now, he really thought the House should have some better reason than he had yet heard, for taking such a step. It was going another, and a considerable step, from the rights of local self-government. He had consented to the ori ginal Poor-law Bill, hoping that it would be left to the local authorities to carry it into operation. But the pre sent Bill would virtually take from the parochial authorities all such powers. The House was called upon to do what he indeed considered an outrage on every principle of li berty—to make the regulations of the Poor-law Commis sioners the same in authority as Acts of Parliament.-- ( Hear, hear.) The House was asked, in fact, to make re gulations in laws which were not before them, and of which they were not at all cognizant—to give to the Poor-law Commissioners a power which this House did not possess— for this House could not make laws by itself.—( Hear.) It did appear to him that to pass a measure like this would tend greatly to increase the popular discontent against the New Poor-law. The benefits of that law would not, he fully believed, be sufficiently appreciated until more uni versally brought into operation, and he did not see why it should not be made general in its operation ; but if this Bill passed into a law, he feared that this object would be greatly retarded. He did not think that the House should have been asked to enact such a measure as the present, when they had recently refused to correct the abuse of proxy voting in the elections for Poor-law authorities— abuses which his own experience had convinced him were of a most pernicious tendency. Once more, therefore, he entreated the Noble Lord to postpone the Bill, remembering that he had refused to correct abuses, or to remedy griev ances complained of, under the pretext of the more ge neral measure which was hereafter to be introduced. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. 110US.8 OF COMMONS, juts' 31. METROPOLITAN POLICE COURTS BILL. (Coitinued from Tile Sun of yesterday.) The Committee then divided, when there appeared— For the clause Against it ... 6 Majority in favour of the Clause --35 The clause was then agreed to. Clause 24 was agreed to. On clause 25 being agreed to, _ _ _ Mr. LAW suggested that it would be a great protec tion that a full record of all proceedings in hose Courts should be had. He would suggest that short-hand writers should be appointed to them. The clause was then agreed to. Mr. LAW begged that clause 26 be postponed, as it gave power to the Magistrates to summarily convict thieves and receivers. This was altering the law of the land in an important matter, and ought to be discussed in a full House. Mr. F. MA ULE, at that period of the Session, could not consent to postpone the clause. He considered it as the most important in the Bill, and it was one which had bad been most fully considered, and its effect would be to save many from the contamination of a gaol before trial, when they must necessarily associate with others more ex perienced in crime, who were in a like predicament. Colonel WOOD, jun., said the clause was not in ac cordance with either the Report of the Committee of Criminal Law, or of the Police Committee. Mr. WILLIAMS thought there ought to be a power of appeal in every instance where a party convicted thought the decision of the Magistrate was wrong. Sir J. GRAHAM should be glad to know why the jurisdiction was extended from 40s. to 51. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the clause as now worded seemed to him most likely to effect the object in view. After a few remarks from Sir J. GRAHAM, Mr. LAW said, as to what had been stated about the trivial nature of pocket-picking, his experience had shown him that persons going out to pick pockets were engaged in it as a trade, and would take all they could get. Their habits were rarely to be amended by any term of im prisonment; they were lost to society in this country. The only safe.course was to treat stealing from the per son as in all cases the result of some degree of habit. He believed it never was a party's first offence, and generally was effected by a careful combination. He could not agree with his friend that summary jurisdic tion should be extended. He thought that it went fur ther than it ought to do at present. If the House should be of opinion that in the case of larceny, it should be sub jected to the opinion of the Magistrates whether it was committed under aggravated circumstances, be hoped re. ceiving goods, knowing them to be stolen, would not come under that provision.—( Hear, hear.) He felt it to be his duty to oppose the clause, that took from the Magistrates the discretion in cases of larceny, and if he should not be able to carry that proposition then he should propose to limit the amount of property taken. It was his intention to resist the question of summary jurisdiction in cases of larceny, and he should therefore move the omission of those words in the clause that gave it. Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought that it would be con venient that the Committee should decide as to whether summary jurisdiction should exist or not, and then another opportunity might be taken of determining to what extent. Sir CHARLES GREY could not conscientiously vote for the clause. If they gave summary juris diction to the Magistrates, without any intention3—but from the hurry with which their decisions must be given— hundreds, nay, thousands of errcneous ones must be given ; and a person might be confined for one month without any appeal. If appeal were given in all cases he would grant summary jurisdiction—if not, he would probably take the hint given and walk out of the House without voting. After a few words from Lord ELIOT and Lord TEIGN MOUTH in favour of the clause, strangers were ordered to withdraw, and t gallery was cleared for a division, but none took place, the amendment having been negatived without it. On our re-admission we found the House bad resumed. Mr. BERNAL reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again this day. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER brought up the Report of the Select Committee on the Metropolis Improvement Bill. The House then adjourned till Five o'Clock. The SPEAKER resumed the Chair at Five o'Clock. SMALL DEBTS BILL. On the motion of Mr. BROTHERTON the Lords' Amendments to the Chesterfield Small Debts Bill were agreed to. The Lords' Amendments to the Eckington and Wirksworth Small Debts Bill were also agreed to on the motion of the same Hon. Member. Sir G. CLERK presented a petition from Edinburgh in favour of Church Extension in Scotland. TOTNES ELECTION. Sir G. CLERK said, that on referring to the journals of the last year and the year preceding he found the Ses sional Order to which he had yesterday referred. It was only, therefore, necessary for him to move that the entry of February 6th be now read, which would be a sufficient notification that it was improper for any Gentleman to vote until the return had been decided. The Order was read accordingly. INCREASED MILITARY FORCE. Mr. HUME asked when the vote for the - 75,0001. to provide an increase in our military force would be brought forward ? Lord J. RUSSELL said, to-marrow. PRIVILEGE. Lord JOHN RUSSELL then said, Sir, I have to present a petition from the Messrs. Hansard, printers to this House, in respect to a notice they have received for printing a certain Report by the direction of this House.— (Hear, hear.) And I think it is best to read the letter which they have received ; it is dated 47, Fish-street-hill, 29th July. -. _ _ " Gentlemen, lam instructed by Mr. Polack, to com mence an action against you for printing and publishing Minutes of Evidence taken before a Select Committee of the House of Commons, respecting New Zealand—in April and May 1838, which evidence contains a false, and scandalous and malicious libel on Mr. Polack's character. In order therefore to avoid the inconvenience of personal service, I request that you will furnish me with the name of your attorney to whom I can send process in your be half." Sir, the petitioners, state that they printed and pub lished the Report in question by order of this Honourable House ; that, therefore, they set out this letter, and respectfully apply for the instruction of this House, as to the course which they should pursue.—( Hear, hear,) It is my intention, Sir, to move that the petition be printed, and that it be taken into consideration to morrow.--( Hear, hear. ) The Petition having been read at length by the Clerk, was ordered to be printed, and taken into consideration to-morrow. Mr. HUME presumed it would be taken the first thing. Lord J. RUSSELL said it would come on, as a matter of course 'first, as it was a question of privilege. Sir R. PEEL had understood that it was a Report of a Committee of the House of Lords. Lord J. RUSSELL said that the evidence was given before a Committee of the House of Lords, but that evi dence was afterwards printed by an order of the House of Commons. The subject then dropped. Mr. WALLACE then gave notice that on going into Committee of Supply, he should move for certain returns relative to Small Debts (Scotland). Mr. HUME gave notice that on going into a Committee of Supply upon the vote for 75,0001. for an increased military force he intended to move that taxation bad pressed so heavily on the working classes that it was necessary that the House should adopt some measures for removing those grievances, of which the people so loudly and so justly complained. Lord JOHN RUSSELL gave notice that to-morrow he would bring in a Bill for establishing a more efficient police in Birmingham, according to the suggestion of the Right Hon. Baronet. He would take that opportunity of stating that he would take a Committee of Supply the first thing on Friday, and the vote for the increase of the army would be taken first. Sir ROBERT PEEL presented a petition from many of the most respectable inhabitants of Birmingham, who had taken no decided part in politics, in favour of such a Bill as that of which the Noble Lord bad given notice. RURAL POLICE. Mr. PAKINGTON begged to ask the Noble Lord whether it was his intention to pass a measure f or ra i s i ng the County Constabulary during the present Session. It was a question of the very highest importance, and ought to receive the fullest consideration. Sir ROBERT PEEL said it might certainly be neces • sary to consider in Committee what checks should be imposed on the powers given by this Bill--(Hear, hear)—and he should be ready to consider if those powers were in any respect unduly extensive.—( Hear.) But the question now was whether there had not been made oat a case requiring some legislative remedy, and whether the Bill should be rejected on the second reading. —( Hear, hear.) He must say, if there were overseers in parishes trying to defeat the Poor-laws, by resorting to de lays in the payment of money in their hands, he should vote for the second reading of a Bill, to prevent parties from using the forms of law to throw difficulty in the carrying out of an important measure.--( Hear, hear.) He-began to feel that some Members were shrinking from the odium of the New Poor-law experiment.—( Hear, hear.) He had taken his part. He had supported the Bill in the first instance—but when the Bill was going on smoothly, the " Liberal" Members attempted to engross the whole credit of it to themselves, and to create an impression that he had merely given it a tacit acquiesence. When the Bill, how ever, became unpopular, he had scorned to make it the subject of an outcry to influence the elections. And when it was stated at a meeting of his constituents, that he had not been a party to the Poor-law Bill, and when comparisons un favourably to the present Government were drawn, be had promptly declared that he had been a party to it, he rejected the praise which had been offered to him, and said that though there might be individual cases of hardship, which he regretted, he supported the Bill, not to diminish the charge on the land, but because he believed it would tend to raise the character of the working classes, by giving to labour its due reward.—( Hear, hear, hear.) He feared that gentlemen knew that overseers were indirectly defeat ing the law. But he asked them, if they were tired of the experiment, to manfully come forward and attempt to put an end to it.--( Hear, hear, hear.) He would not, for his part, reject a measure which was meant to prevent persons from availing themselves of legal forms to withhold contri butions for the relief of the poor entrusted to them, and thus defeat the operation of the New Poor.law.—( Hear. ) Mr. HODGE S said he should not be deterred—by the imputation of shrinking from the responsibility of the New Poor-law—from opposing the present Bill. He had re ceived communications from his constituents requesting him so to do. And if time sufficient were given, he was persuaded that from many counties petitions against the Bill would be presented. He hoped it would not be pressed to a second reading now, but deferred till the in troduction of the general measure. He strongly objected to the provision legalizing the regulations of the Poor law Commissioners, and the more especially because it could not be known whether they bad all of them been sub mitted to and sanctioned by the Secretary of State for the Home Department, as required by the original measure. Col. WOOD said the hostility to the present Bill did not proceed from o pposition to the principle of the New Poor-law--(Hear, bear)—but from those local authorities who had been superseded by the Poor-law Commis sioners. There were many parishes, such as Lambeth and Chelsea, where the authorities, established under local Acts, and which authorities had formerly carried out the the very principles of the New Poor-law, had yet been superseded by the Commissioners in spite of every remon strance from the parishioners.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. E WART said the principle which Lord Althorp had established was, that the collection and distribution of the rates should be left to the local authorities, while the administrative power was to be lodged with the Commissioners. The distinction was important.—( Hear, hear.) It was not to be supposed that because a central authority was established that therefore all local authorities must necessarily be abolished.—( Hear, hear.) Still, the Poor-law Commissioners were recognized as necessary to enforce those great principles for which the Liberal Members of that House had contended, and to which as. suredly the Right Hon. Baronet opposite gave a tacit acquiescence. He must confess ho deeply regretted that the Poor-law Commissioners should have devolved their legislation on some important matters, to subordinates ; at least in no other way could he account for the departure which had been observable in their proceedings from the principle laid down by Lord Althorp.—( Hear, hear.) He certainly did not think he should be justified in opposing the second reading of this Bill ; it would still be in his power to oppose objectionable clauses in Committee. But he again repeated his earnest wish that the Poor-law Com missioners would rely more on their own independent judg ments.---( Hear, hear.) Sir J. GRAHAM aereed in the concluding observa tion of the Hon. Gentleman. He should vote for the second reading of this Bill, not of course committing himself to the details. But he doubted whether the experience of the Noble Lord would confirm the statement which the Honourable Member for Fins.. bury was in the habit of making, that there was such extreme facility for passing Bills in this House, (Hear, and a laugh.) He wished to call the attention of the Houso to the fact alluded to by the Hon. Member for Wigan, that Lord Althorp had desired that the local au thorities should collect the funds, but that the Commission ers should superintend the administration of them. Now he ( Sir J. Graham) had acquired some experience in the working of the original Act, and could state that the second clause had been in effect acted upon by the Com missioners in accordance with the express desire of many Poor-law Guardians. It was well known that many rural unions, embraced a number of parishes and townships, which maintained their own poor, the overseers beingbound to collect their rates. Now, the collection of th rates was the most obnoxious duty which could be per formed by the Poor-law local authorities ; it was performed with great reluctance—it was ill, and negligently per formed—and it had been suggested that the relieving officers should collect the rates, as they were constantly going through the districts, and as they were paid officers. The second clause, therefore, was only declaratory—le- / galising a practice which at the instance of Poor-law Guardians had been very generally resorted to, but which it seemed the Commissioners had at present no legal power to sanction. He could not hesitate for a moment to give his support to the second reading of this Bill, having sup. ported the original measure, deeming it just to give to it a fair trial--not wishing it to press with undue severity on the poor, but believing its operation would be benefic ial to the industrious and only prejudicial to the idle—( Hear, hear)—and therefore resolved to support all subsidiary Acts necessary—as he considered the present—to give to the original. measure its fair operation.—( Hear, hear.) Lord WORSLZ said in his county he had found the the Overseers and Guardian: favourable to the Bill. He would just remark, that it was rt.:_ber unfortunately ob served that the Right Hon. Baronet opp,:site should have left the House just when the Poor-law C oni ,zwance Bill was opposed.—(oh, oh.) Sir R. PEEL would be obliged to the Noble Lord if he would forward to those very ignorant persons who had observed what he had stated—the lists of several divisiors on that very Bill—in which his (Sir R. Peel's) name would be found.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) He had, in fact, stayed on purpose to give his support to the mea sure—( Hear, hear)—and it was more remarkable, as the Noble Lord had on one occasion followed him in a debate on the Bill, and had said that his " arguments had been anticipated by the Right Hon. Baronet who had preceded him."—(Laughter.) Lord WOR,SLEY said he must have mistaken the debate on the Bill for the debate on the motion of the Hon. Member for Susses (Mr. Darby), when certainly he observed the Right Hon. Baronet leave the House. Sir R. PEEL said the second mistake of the Noble Lord was much more unhappy than the first, for he (Sir R. Peel) bad not been in the House at all on the discus sion respecting Mr. Darby's motion, which occurred on a Saturday.—( Loud cries of " Hear, hear," and laughter.) Mr. FIE LDEN opposed the Bill, as taking from the rate-payers the control over funds raised by themselves for the relief of the poor. If the present Bill passed, he hoped to God the other House of Parliament would kick It out.—(Laughter.) Sir T. FREEMANTLE supported the Bill. Mr. HINDLE Y thought the Bill exceedingly objec tionable, and he should, therefore, give it his most deter mined opposition. After a few words from Lord J. Russell, Mr. Hawes, and Mr. Morris, strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when there appeared— For the second reading of the 8i11...... 88 Against it _ 29 Majority for the second reading... —59 The Bill was then read a second time and ordered to be committed on Monday. HIGHWAY RATES BILL. Sir CHARLES BUR RE L L moved that the Report on this Bill should be received. Mr. HA WES objected to the Bill, thinking it to be totally uncalled for. Mr. PALMER supported the Bill. The Report was received and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time. The Assaults Ireland Bill was then re-committed on the motion of the SOLICITOR-GENERAL. After some discussion on the proposition in the first clause, the minimum fine for throwing stones was re duced from 10s. to ss. The several clauses having been agreed to, Mr. COOP& R proposed two clauses for the purpose 01 preventing the carrying of sticks loaded beyond the wcighi of two ounces. Mr. S. O'BRIEN objected to them. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL for Ireland said the law alluded to by the Hon. Member had remained a dead letter upon the Irish Statute Book for ninety-two years. It was repealed in 1828 by the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth ; and there was no change in the state of society since which should induce the House to go back in their Legislation. Suppose a carrier going along the road at night, and alone, entrusted with much property —suppose him to be attacked for the purposes of plunder —be was not allowed to carry fire-arms—he would then be altogethor defenceless if he were not allowed to carry a stick of some kind for his protection. He opposed the clauses. Col. PERCEVAL thought the fact of the Statute remaining a dead letter in the Statutes of Ireland was the best argument in favour of his Hon. Friend's clause. Since it was repealed in 1828, the reports of Magistrates in Sligo showed that those weapons were now extensively in the possession of the peasantry. While the check upon carrying of such sticks remained in force upon the Statute book, it was useless, but ho preferred prevention better than cure, and therefore he_ hoped the clause would be adopted. Lord MO RPET H said if the present Bill did not do all that was expected from it, then he would be most ready fa vourably to consider any plan which would prevent the car rying of such weapons. Mr. COO PER would not press his clauses, which were withdrawn. _ . The House resumed—The Report to be brought up to morrow. The Sheep Stealers (Ireland) Bill was recommitted, several verbal amendments were made, and the House re sumed. The Report to be received to-morrow. CONSTABULARY FORCE (IRELAND) BILL. The House then went into Committee on this Bill. The first six clauses of the Bill were agreed to with a few verbal amendments. On clause 7 being proposed, Sir R. FERGUSON proposed an amendment that the Inspector-General should have the power, at the re quest of the Magistrates in Quarter Sessions assembled, of sending the reserved force into any disturbed province, instead of being compelled to wait for the sanction of the Lord Lieutenant. Lord MORPETH considered it would be far batter to leave the discretion with the Lord Lieutenant. The power would by that means be exercised with a great deal more efficiency and with less delay. Mr. F. FRENCH and Mr. J. GRATTAN hoped the Hon. Baronet would withdraw his amendment. After a short conversation, Sir R. FERGUSON with drew his amendment, and the clause was agreed to. Clauses up to 12 were agreed to without amendment. Sir R. FERGUSON objected to clause 13, which pro posed to increase the salaries of certain officers. Lord MORPETH defended the clause. It was highly expedient, and would tend to the advantage of the service that some officers in the force should have higher salaries than others. . _ After a few remarks from Mr. J. GRATTAN the clause was agreed to. On clause 14, which provides the allowance for clerks, Sir R. FERGUSON objected to it. Lord MORPETH said they were worked beyond all endurance, and the six junior clerks received only 751. a year. Sir R. FERGUSON said that five-sixths of the work would now be taken off. The clause was agreed to. Clauses 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21 were agreed to after a short discussion, and the introduction of some ♦erbal amendments. On clause 22, Mr. F. FRENCH objected that it threw on the coun. ties half the expense of clothing the police, whereas several counties having refused to present sums for that purpose, the twelve Judges had decided that on the original Act the demand could not be substantiated. He thought this system of ex post facto legislation highly unjust, for it made the counties liable on account of the period during which the twelve Judges had held that the liability did not exist. Mr. MORE O'FERRALL considered the proviso founded on every principle of justice. The intention of the original Act was undoubtedly that the counties and the Consolidated Fund should divide the expense of the clothing the police. But the counties referred to had availed themselves of a technical informality in the Act— the omission of the word " clothing"—to rid themselves of the liability. Sir D. JE PHSON said he could not have considered himself, (had he been on the grand juries of the counties alluded to,) justified in refusing to present sums requisite to discharge their share of this expense. Lord M 0 RPET H clearly considered the counties liable for a moiety of this expense. Sir R. FERGUSON was of opinion that the intention of the first Act would only properly be gathered from its words. After a few words from Mr. HINDLEY and Mr. F. Fastica, the amendment was withdrawn, and the clause agreed to. The remaining clauses were agreed to.—The House resumed.—The Report to be brought up to-morrow. The Report of the Committee on the Slave Trade Treaties Bill was brought up by Mr. BERNAL ; as was the Report on the Soap Duties Bill.—Both Bills were ordered to be engrossed. The Highways and Turnpike Roads Returns Bill was read a third time and passed. The Sale of Spirits (Ireland) Bill wont through Com mittee, with merely a lew verbal amendments.—To be reported to-morrow. METROPOLITAN POLICE COURTS BILL. On this Bill being re-committed, a discussion took place as to the propriety of permitting that clause to remain which would liberate a person convicted of receiving stolen goods on payment of a fine. Colonel WOOD, proposed to leave out such part of the clause as gave discretion to the Magistrate to find or imprisonment. He thought there ought to be no fine, for to the rich receiver it would be no punishment. Mr. KEMBLE supported the amendment. Strangers were ordered to withdraw. No division took place. On our return to the Gallery we found The SOLICITOR-GENERAL dlaposing the pro posed amendment. Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the clause ; he could not vote for the Bill at all, unless the right of appeal were allowed in every case. Even Juries and Judges committed errors—why, then, should not Magistrates ? Trial by Jury ought not to be lightly dealt with, for it was the great conservator of liberty against an arbitrary Govern. ment. It was treated lightly by the S o licitor-General. Mr. F. MAULE said there never was a more ground less charge made than that which he bad made against the Solicitor- General. Mr. WILLIAMS denied that he had made any such charge. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman smiled, and he said it appeared as if be treated the matter lightly. Strangers were again ordered to withdraw, and the House divided. The numbers were— For the clause Against it l4 Majority —22 The clause was then agreed to, as were clauses up to 36. On the 37th clause, which gives the Magistrates a dis cretionary power as to the allowance of costs to informers. Mr. K E MBLE said the informer ought to be paid in all cases, but by this clause the Magistrate would have the power to supersede an Act of Parliament. Mr. F. MAULE defended the clause. The gallery was cleared, and the House divided, when the numbers were— Clauses 38 and 39 were agreed to without remark. Clause 40 was agreed to. 1 Clause 41 was struck out, on the motion of Mr. F. i i MAULE. i i On clause 42, Mr. HAWES suggested that household servants should be included. Col. T. WOOD said he should object to this and the two following clauses, on the principle that they gave civil jurisdiction to the Police Magistrates, a jurisdiction which was to be provided for in the County Courts Bill. Clause agreed to. On clause 43, giving the Magistrates summary jurisdic tion in cases of wilful damage by tenants, Colonel WOOD objected, and moved that it be omitted— the clause however was agreed to. On clause 44, giving similar jurisdiction in cases of il legal detention of goods, Cols T. WOOD also objected, as did Mr. KEMB LE, who said that he did not approve of giving Magistrates toe p, -swer of deciding questions of right up to the value of Bt. LI CITOR.GENERAL said the provision _nossession of illegally or fraudulenly wasT hueseftS: goods, small calue, and the parties might af l°to restore acquired terwards go to law. case of a working man's nstan b e y ed a t l it a c nd tools T M hre Fclause A improperly A was U id detainedagreed i to ; as also clause 4a. On clause 46, Col. T. WOOD moved; proviso preventing ;.:',T4gis trates' clerks from receiving any fees in the execution e their duty. The whole question was, would the Magis trates from the county have the privilege, for they thought it was one, of sitting along with the stipendiary Magistrate ? Mr. WAR LE Y hoped the Bill would not so allow them, for the Bill was intended to keep the administration of justice in the Courts to be established in proper hands— Justices for the county were appointed from high family connections, and were not fitted for dispensing justice where proper Magistrates were. Mr. FOX MAULE said that was certainly the object of the Bill—a paid and qualified Magistrate would always be upon the bench. Colonel WOOD—Did the Hon. Member suppose that the county Magistrates were such country bumpkins—did he for a moment suppose that they would allow themselves to be so degraded as to—(the Hon. Member spoke in a very brusque manner) — Mr. F. MAULE spoke to order. He was not in the habit of allowing any one to address him in the tone and and manner of the Gallant Member either in or out of that House. Colonel WOOD had probably expressed himself impro perly—( Hear, hear)—but was it to be supposed that the county Magistrates would not find themselves degraded by such a clause. Was it intended that the appeals should be. to Magistrates who were shut out from those Courts where the charges were originally made ? After a short desultory conversation, the clause was withdrawn. Clause 47 was agreed to. Clause 48, with an amendment suggested by Mr. Wakley, that the Magistrates should cause to be taken in writing by the clerk so much of the information as he might think essential in reference to the granting of a summons, was agreed to. The remaining clauses were agreed to. Mr. BARNARD moved the following clause—" That every person who at the time of the passing of this Act shall alone, or jointly with any other person or persons. hold the situation of clerk or clerks to the Justices of the Peace for any petty sessions district within the limits of the Metropolitan Police district, shall be entitled to have and receive an adequate compensation for his or their salary, fees, and emoluments, or for so much thereof as will be liable to be lost or dimi nished by the operation of this Act, and such compensa tion in each case shall be such yearly sum, and for such time, or such other sum, and to be paid in such manner as three or more Lords Commissioners of the Treasury, upon the petition of such person or persons shall think just to be awarded; and the said Lords Commissioners of the Treasury are hereby authorised and required to pay the same in the same manner as is or shall be provided with respect to the retiring allowances of resigning or super seded Magistrates under this Act." Mr. F. M AUL E said he would take the opinion of the Chairman as to whether this clause could be received. Mr. BERNAL said that compensation clauses could not be moved except in Committee of the whole House. The clause was then withdrawn Mr. SHEPPARD complained that the Bill did not provide for the residence of a Magistrate to be at all times found at head-quarters. He moved that one Magis trate be at all times resident at the chief of Mr. F. MAUL E said the Secretary of State had power to regulate the proceedings of offices, and care would be taken that the case would be provided for. The schedules were then agreed to. Mr. HINDLE Y wished to know why the Metropolitan Police were in a great part to be paid out of the Conso lidated Fund, when Glasgow, Manchester, and other places supported their own police. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said they had been sitting upwards of 12 hours, and it was too late to answer the question then. The House then resumed—the Report to be received on Friday. Mr. HODGSON HIND E then moved fora copy of a letter (dated the 7th day of January 1839) addressed by the Master of the Rolls to the Secretary of State for the Home Department, respecting the custody of the public records ; copy of a letter (dated the 18th day of June 1839)—addressed by Sir Francis Palgrave to the Master of the Rolls, and by him transmitted to the Lords of the Treasbry ; copies of any communications addressed to the Master of the Rolls by the Secretary of State for the Homo Department, or the Lords of the Treasury, on the subject of the above letters.—Ordered. The LORD ADVOCATE obtained leave to bring in a Bill to amend the mode of assessing Rogue money in Scotland, and to extend the purposes of such assessment. Adjourned at HALF-FAST TWELVE o'Clock. For the clause Against it Majority PARIAANIENTARY DIVISION. (From the Poles and Proceedings of the House of Commons.) TUESDAY, JULY 30, 1839. CH URCH.RATES. DIVISION on Mr. T. Duncombe's Motion relating to the case of Mr. Thorogood, who has been confined in Chelms ford Gaol since the 16th of January last, for non-payment of Church-rates, amounting to ss. 6d. MAJORITY—AYES, 42. Barnard, E. G.—Greenwich Norreys, Sir Denham—Mallow Bridgeman, Hewitt—Ennis O'Connell, M. J.—Kerry Brotherton, J.—Salford Philips, Mark—Manchester Browne, R. D.—Mayo Pigot, D. It —Clonmel Bryan, Maj. Geo.—Kilkenny Co.': Rutherfurd, Rt. Hon. A.—Leith Craig, W. G.—Edinburghshire Scholelield, J.—Birmingham Easthope, J.—Leicester Seymour, Lord—Totness Ellis,. Wynn—Leicest, Somerville, Sir Wm.—Drogheda Ewart, William—Wigan Steuart, Robert—Haddington, &c Fielden, John—Oldham Thornely,Thos.—Wolverhampton Finch, F.—Walsall Vigors, N. A.—Carlow Co. Guest, J. J.—Merthyr Tydvil Villiers, C. P.—Wolverhampton Hill, Lord A. M. C.—Evesham Wakley, Thomas—Finsbury Hindley, Charles—Ashton Warburton, H.—Bridport. Hodges, T L.—West Kent Wilbraham, George—Cheshire Howard, P. H.—Carlisle Wood, Sir Matthew—London Huine, Joseph—Kilkenny Worsley, Lord—Lincolnshire Humphery, John—Southwark Wyse, Thomas—Waterford Hutton, Itobert—Dublin Yates, J. Ashton -Carlow Johnson, W. Augustus—Oldham Leader, J. Temple—Westminster Lushington, Charles—Ashburton Muskett, George A.—St. Alban', MINORITY- Baker, Edward—Wilton Blair, J. Wigtonshire Broadley, Henry—East Yorkshire Broadwood, Henry—Bridgewater Chute, W. L. W.—West Norfolk Dick, Quintin—Maldon Gordon, Hon. W.—Aberdeenshire Hope, H. T.—Gloucester Lowther, Visct.—Westmoreland Mackinnon, W. A.—Lymington Packe, C. W.—Leicester, South Palmer, George—Essex TELLERS, Duncombe, T. S --Finsbury Hawes, Benjamin—Lambeth —NOES, O. Perceval, Colonel—Sligo Co. Reid, Sir J. Rae—Dover Richards, Richard—Merionethsh, Round, John—Maldon Sandon, Lord—Liverpool Sibthorp, Colonel—Lincoln Somerset, Lord G.—Monmoutlish, Wood, Colonel T.—Brecon TELLERS. Inglis, Sir It. 11. —Ox. University jirainston, T. W.—Essex South FRESH FRUIT. The Committee appointed to inquire into the complaints of the fruit growers has presented the following Report, which puts an end for the present to all hope of again increasing the duty : That on and before the 16th of August 1838 the duty on apples was 4s. a bushel, the duty on Pears 7s. 6d. a bushel, and the duty Oil Cherries 18s. Bd. the cwt. 2. That from and after the 16th day of August 1838 the aforesaid duties ceased, and a duty of 5/. per centum ad valorem, was imposed in lieu thereof. 3. That after the abundant crop of 1837 there were im ported 337 bushels of apples into the port of London, and the average price for the season of 1837-8 was 2s. 3d. 4. That after the deficient crop of 1838 there were im ported about 120,000 bushels of apples into the Port of London, and the average price of apples in London for the season 1838-9 was 4s. 9d. 5. That when the crop in this country is abundant, im portation of Foreign apples, from the numerous charges incident to it, to wit, original cost, price of cases, expense of packing and shipping abroad, freight, removal from quays to market, and commission on sale, cannot take place to any material extent ; and when the crop is deficient, importation of foreign apples, from the same causes, as well as the higher cost of the fruit abroad, cannot reduce the value of home-grown apples below a reasonable price. 6. That it therefore follows that the natural impedi ments to the importation of foreign apples, in addition to the duty now payable, constitute a sufficient protection to the home growers, regard being had to the adequate sup ply of the public, and more especially of the middle and poorer classes of the metropolis, in an important article of domestic consumption. 7. That the i m p or t a ti on o f pears and cherries is, and must continue, of so small an extent, as to produce little or no effect on the markets of this country. 12 July, 1839. POOR RATES.:—OiI Saturday , a t the Kensing ton petty sessions, no less than 700 of the inhabitants . the parish of St. Mary Abbott, Kensington, were sum moned before the bench of Magistrates, sitting at the board room of the workhouse, at the instance of the poor-rate collectors, to show cause why they had refused or neglected to pay the various amounts assessed on them for poor-rates, for the half year ending at Midsummer last. Most of the defaulters pleaded poverty, while others objected to the amount of the rate assessed on them. In the ormer cases time, varying from a fortnight to a month, was allowed the applicants ; and in the latter, where it could be equitably done, the assessment wa r s ii r a e m du e c n e ta d r . ; PARLIAMENTARY PRINTING.—It appear s b y a return laid befor e the House of Commons thatletshseallsoun: o urable House has e x p ended for printing pa papers, within the last ei g ht sessions only, no than s 9 •2 cHAI, 373,1161. TRAVELLING—DEAR P OSTAGE. -- E A gentleman residing in Perth wrote, the other day, to a porson in Edinburgh, regarding some matter of business ; and the individual to whom the letter was addressed, in stead of replying through the same channel (the post-office), cameinpetrososnevte onPpeiee Perth by the steamers the fares of which amounted would have cost a while the p stage of a letter halfpenny more I ! !—Perthshire Ad vertiser. TEA AND OPIUM TRADE The news from China has caused a rise in the Tea Market of from 2d. to 3d. per lb., as a short supply t his year is considered certain. The information created quite a sensation among the trade. The following is the extract of a letter received by a high party in the City, from Canton, dated the 7th April, which is the most recent date. There are no advices so recent as the 15th April, as was currently stated in the early part of the day : " Strange events have taken place here. A Commis sioner has arrived from Pekin to put an end to the opium trade. He commenced by taking into custody all the resident merchants, and placing restrictions on their and other factories ; also Captain Elliot ; declaring that he would detain them till all the opium should be delivered up ; he would not allow them food or water for some time. Things went on in this way for a few, days, when Captain Elliot required all the merchants to deliver up their opium, he guaranteeing payment for the same. Twenty thousand chests were given up, and re port says that opium, even to the extent of 2,000,0 00 (sterling or dollars was not given in the letter) was sur rendered." Another letter has been received, stating that Captain Elliot and the merchants had been released, but that all the opium was detained. MEETING AT LLOYD'S. Yesterday a General Meeting of the Subscribers of Lloyd's took piece, at which the following votes were pro posed and unans mously adopted : A medal in bro,n2e to Rees Lougher, to mark the sense entertained of his: humane and praiseworthy exertions il l saving the crew of :he French lugger Enfans Chere s, from Nantes to Bristol, wrec,!ced Jan. 19, on the Ness Sand. 201. to eleven persons w ho went off in the Coast Guard and Porthcawl pilot-boai - o, for their humane and laudable exertions in rescuing nine of tie crew of the Charles, from St. John's, New Brunswick, ;o Gloucester, wrecked near Porthcawl, Feb. 7. 101. in aid of a subscription for the widow and children of Robert \Yardley, master of the :smack Fair Traveller, of Brightlinsea, who was unfortunately - drowned. : in attempt ing to save the crew of the Dutch schuyt Frau Heinke , wrecked on the Gunfleet Sand, May 1.1. 201. to Mrs. Sarah Burnie Inall, the widow of a former servant of the establishment, lately deceased„in conse quence of her great distress. The two following votes were agreed to, but will re quire confirmation at a subsequent meeting :- 100/. to the Shipwreck Institution; and 100/. to the Shipwrecked Fishermen and Mariners Benevolent Society. THE MARKETS-(YESTERDAY• . .KET.-July 31, s. d 23 5 Walls Fnd Heaton COAL MAR 8. d 19 9 Adair's Clark's Hartley l3 6 Walls End Lambton .......... - Carr's Hartley 2O 0 Walls End Stewart's ......... 23 v Leaze's Main l7 I , Walk End Whitwell ......... 2 1 Ord's Bedhugh23 3 18 • Walls End Hart1ep001........ . Pontop Windsor 2O 0 Walls End Adelaide .......... 2. 1 Picton l7 6 Wells End Ceundon .......... 2 0 : Tan field Moor 23 0 W :11s End Gordon ............ 20 T own l e y l9 5 0 Walls End Nevin's Tanfield 17 8 West Hartley Wy l am. Walls End Hetton 2l 0 Walls End Tees. ..... - ......... 21 ' 6 Walls End Hotspur Walls End Kiliingwerth 2l 0 Litto unscreened ............... 1 7 : Walls End Riddell's Walls End Smith ... li 6 Howard's Netherton - I'llain I , 0 Walls End Belmont 22 0 Walls End Elgin ...........••• 20 Ships arrived since last market-day, 133. COILNTRY CORN MARKETS DURING THE ccrEE' Wheat. 13arley.H Oats. Beans. pie. ...---- g ...., Per Quarter. I Andover Birmingham Cirencester Faringdon:—.. Guildford Henley Highworth I%laidenhead..., Monmouth Salisbury Southampton Stroud Tewkesbury., Uxbridge %Vantage Warminster..., Windsor s. to s. s. to s. to s. a. to a. 64 80 30 34 22 30 38 74 82 29 31 2.5 43 63 80 30 40 16 22 - 33 -43 80 32 36 26 30 39 64 81 32 20 25 32 40 65 80 26 30 '26 30 46 418 SO 28 35 20 3() 49 7z 78 '26 32 23 26 43 63 8b 26 02 22 29 46 64 70 f 32 42 28 34 56 24 36 20 20 34 44 32 34 22 29 31 40 25 35 j2O 27 33 42 30 :14 20 28 41 46 33 40 28 32 42 28 36 20 24 46 35 22 32 40 28 32 jl7 28 40 24 34 i 20 25 33 42 27 34 22 26 36 40 21 22 35 65 70 1 — 32 — 36 30 32 . 46 CHELTENHAM MARKETS. Per Bushel. . s. d. to s d.I Pet lb. Wheat 7 9 8 1 0 . _ ... -- ... - ..... .... _.. - ..... .... 63 75 64 74 64 75 64 74 65 75 63 74 80 - 70 74 63 72 67 70 i(1 3 0 3 34 ..... ..... 55 •0. ..... ••••• ....... ..ilarley . 4 6 56 Oats Beans Beef... Mutton , Veal Pork Lamb 4/. 4s. Od. p MARKET. Pease ,... 5 0 53 , ..... ....... Hay ..... ~ 31.155. to ier ton. LI V ERPCi OL CO RN .—Ju l 33 WHEAT, English, White, per 70Ib. lls, 3d Red ---- Scotch, Welch, and Manx 9 I -- Irish, White 9 6 ------- Red . ...... ...... ... 8 0 Foreign '7 3 OATS, English, Welsh, and Scotch, per 451 b 4 0 —..-- Irish -- Foreign ... 0 0 BARLEY, English, Malting, per Imp. quarter 36 0 --- Scotch and Irish, per 601bs. . 5 0 ------ Feeding 4 6 BEANS, English, per Imperial quarter 42 0 Irish, &c. Foreign PEASE, English, per Imperial quarter 46 0 Foreign FLOUR, English, per 2801 b. 56 0 Irish OATMEAL, English and Irish, per 2401bs S4 6 INDIAN Coax, per 4401 b. ..., 42 0 RYE, per Imperial quarter 3B C MALT, per Imperial quarter 42 - - 48 33 ... - 4 73 49 d . to d. 6 9 L L 6 17' to 1 101 11 0 10 a 10 3 9 11 6 4 a. 3 11 0 40 51 5 a 46 43 44 50 O 0 48 58 6 11 36 0 46 0 43 0 70 0 SECOND-HAND PLATE PURCHASED.--•• A. B. SAVORY and SONS, Goldsmiths, No. 14, Corishilit London (opposite the Baia of England), inform Executors and others, wishing to dispose of Second-hand Plate, that, from having a ready sale, they can offer more advantageous price, than can usually be given by the Trade ; payment m ay e ither be received in cash, or the amount allo ed in exchange for other silve. PATENT LEVER WA TCHE S " 16 6 With silver double-bottom cases " With silver hunting cases This celebrated construction (the most accurate on wpi ch ,, a watch can be made) is now offered, with the latest irnpro; ments e. the detached escapement, jewelled in four lo l iz ; capped, hand t to c o mark the seconds, hard enamel dial, and ha taming power ontinue going while winding up, at the au" price, at T. COX SAVORY'S, Lon don, Watchmaker, Silver and Goldsmith, 47, Cernhill, (Seven doors from Gracechurch-street)• N. B.—Second-hand Watches purchased in exchange' BIRTHS. ht v al. f d WDr. 1 . OnOn the 28th ult., at Bloomsb ury - square , the lady °- Stgal th e, of a dauger. A,c e 29th ult., at Walthamstow, the lady of Ed na n d gram, Esq., of a Bth ult. , so. of On the 2 n at Taliaris, Carmarthenshire, the lady William Peel, Esq., of a daughter. se me n' , Ir On the of March last, at Hbart-town, an --- Land, the Bth lady of John Gregory, Esq., ColonialV Treasurer, of a son. f a s°ll On the 27th tilt., at Kilburne, Mrs. William VercY l On the 27th ult., at Streatham-common, the lady ," bert Wathen, Es., of a son. On the 28th ult. ,at Kennington, Mrs. H. S. Flom] , a ds grl l3. , On the 30th ult., at Hornsey, the lady of J. II Br - Esq., of a daughter. MARRIED. the On the 25th ult., at St. John's Chapel, Edinburgh, by o f Rev. E. B. Ramsay, Roderick Charles Macdonald, EA; ' t he Castle Tioram, bearing the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel oi King's County Militia in Prince Edward's Island, to Eliza daughter of the late Glengarry. On the 31st ult., M. L. I'hillipson, Esq., to Caroline, eldest daughter Esq., of Balham-hill, Surrey. h On the 31 st ult., at St. Ann's Church, Soho, Mr. Nar e r a r n of of Gerrard-street, to Mary Paola Giuseppa, only daugh'heo-lio the late Waller Rodwell Wright, Esq , of .Ma ' lta • the Cat a _ ceremony . being afterwards performed by the Wilds, of the Bavarian Chapel, Warwick-street. 'Rev. Willi 3, 80. On the 25th ult., at Had DIED. ley, Mrs. Eliza Mackenzie, age ( ' f On the 26th ult., at Pentonville - hill , Margaret G. relict e, the late Mr. Abraham Devonshire, of the Bank of Englanu, aged 58. On the 26th ult., in Henrietta-street. Brunswick-squar' Julia Ann, infant daughter of R. A. S. Hughes, Esq., Bour bay Medical Service, aged six weeks. On the 27th ult., at Nottingham, Mrs. Ball, the relict of tlic late Philip Ball, Esq., of Mevagissey, Cornwall. On the 28th ult., at Highgate, William Shutt, Esq., of Coo' naught-square, barrister-at-law and police magistrate. On the 29th ult., Elizabeth Gompertz, widow of the la te Solomon Gompertz, of the liana of Jamaica, aged 81. On the 29th ult. , at Denmark-hill, Mr. Thomas Taylor, aged 60. On the 30th ult., at Carshalton, Herbert Pascoe, yoongest son of Riversdale William Grenfell, Esq. On the 30th ult., suddenly, at the residence of,: his som , th , e Rev. Sidney, Widdrington, Manor-house, Bexley, Li e ut.-"' . neral Sir D. Latim er Finling Widdrington, K,C .sild nearly 30 years a g eneral n o l ffi y, ce A r i , r. s A er l v e e x d an h d i e s r c D ou ry ntr a i le in , p i r a l i l n e f ever y part of the w orld, and was in recei p t of a p ension for ." t in o gu n i stlhieed3siesrtvui lt late of Glasgow. NONT.IILY MILITARY 013[TUARI. 4,3 d General Lord Howden, G. C. 8., K.C., Colonel of t he Regiment, London. Colonel Sir G. F. Hill, Bart., Londonderry Militia. Lieutenant-Colonels—Powell, K. H., 6th Foot; $ ; 29th Foot, London ; Poole, 39th Foot, Bellary, O'Brien, h. [19., 53d Foot; Dudreneuc, h. p., 81st Foo" H. Frith, C. 13., E. I. Comp any ' s S erv i ce, M a d r as. Major Slade, 3d Dragoons. Ed - Captains—Moneypenny, 4th Foot, Bangalore, Madras ;v oa t, gar, 63d Foot, 'Moulmein, Madras; 111‘Causland, 89th.,,1)%0, Antigua ; Cookson, Royal Artillery, Barbadoes ; h.p., 23d Dragoons ; Wall, h.p., 53d Foot. Gra ce, Lieutenants—Bligh 39th Foot, Bellary, Madras ; _ de ry 39th Foot, Bellagoopah, Madras ; Codd, 55th Foot, Se.on", late bad, Madras ; Wheatstone, 63d Foot, at Sea; Buchans goal sth Royal Veteran Battalion, Glasgow; Moore, h. P• , ,, oo aff, Waggon Train ; Baron de Souville, h. f., 4th Foot; p.t 11. p., sth Foot; Kerr, h. p., 27th Foot ; Bu nburY 'Fergur 38th Foot ; M'Andrew, , h. p., 60th Foot ; Sir Janaes.. 3 /te r ron, Bart., h. p., 94th Foot; Walsh, h. West In d,,; (at ident ment, and Town Major of Limerick , Ken nin g to o ; ; h. p., Royal Marines; Fottrell, h. p., Royal Ximenes, 16th Foot, Beogal. • Pea rson' Ensigns—Dalton, h. p., sth Garrison Battalion; 9th Foot, Hazanebaugh, Bengal. Paymaster Darby, '2d Foot, Bombay. . 5, A Q(u lj a u r t t a e n r_ t A J i a a m st i e e r so A n ia cC , a 9 p 6 t a th in i ) , , oo ß t e . ff on nfrew Militia, Pal L e l p D h e r r . s o L i n i s i 7 _ t i l t :l; s j r t ..; Munro, h. p., 78th Foot ; Wildcgose, h. p., 84th "..—Pr' pas A s l a e g d e i, f a r l o l n l i egtzl i ti n =g ; eo A n i s a — c gel, h. p., For. Dep. Hanover. Assistant Surg eo n n _ sur- Athill, Staff, Falmouth, Jamaica. Principal Yates a', g eon—Coleman , London. - Barrack-Master W. Campbell, St. Vincent. 0 . London: Printed and Published by Al I, I IID 0 yO' d d, in No. 11 2 , Strand, at The Sue Office , N o. 112, St° th u c ounty of Middlescx.—Thursday, August 1, . • k • , THE SUN, L NDON, THURSDAY, AUGUST 1, 1839.