The Sun. — London, England, 1844-07-12 00:00:00

. _ s. _ . __ _ ..___ _ ' Money at four ' per cent. for the eonstructi i packets. They were called coffins, and properly so, be - -• of their • railways, whilst - ;the return was - only' causestbeasahnost invariably sent their crew to an un two , . and a h a lf. How was the difference made up:? timely'graie. Look at the length of, time-that they • • Undoubtedly by public taxation.--4 Hear, hear.) on took to-cross the Atlantic,sand-yet it' had been asserted all these gr oun d s h e o bj ecte d to t hi s Bill , and he believ e d that it was impossible to effect a quicker passage than - that if it were passed, the result would be a competition. they did until the establishment -of the Great Western most unfair, most intolerable, most ruinous to the rail; .steam s ship, which .proved : tile, contrary; London' , ' • ways, most unjust to all claSses, and most productive of steamers, too, that were the property of private indivi ,.: jobbing and mischief. He Could - nut consent to give any duals, would carry parties from London to Boulogne for - vote except one of direct negative to the motion before far less-than' a-Government packet would •take' parties the Rouse:—(Cheers.). from Dover to Calais. He thought the public right in Mr. WALLACE said he had been one of the first to supposing that private enterprise was the best calculated complain in that House of the monopoly of railways, and ' to excite activity, and to ensure the public interest. They his objecti on t o th e system was now rather i ncreased were equally right in supposing that whenever they put than diminished. It had been stated that the public took great branches of trade into the hands of a Government,' .uo interest in that question, but he held 'in his hand a . there was apt to be great apathy upon the subject, and a petition which showed that that was not the case. ,It was considerable portion of political jobbing: Ile objected the petition of a number of merchants, manufacturers, and' -to thiS system of centralisation, because it was incon tradesmen in Birmingham, complaining that a. most sistent , with the national character, and made men' act as grinding monopoly had been . established by railway slityes instead of free men. But then it was said that companies, and that they had interfered most materially the provisions of part of the Bill were for the with the free sending of goods to different parts of the benefit of the ' poor of the country. That might country. He believed there were good grounds for be so, but he must confess that he certainly was making more extensive changes than those proposed in not prepared for any Government providing for the the Bill. Having read that extract from the Railed, poor, in the manner laid down in the Bill.- The Bill, Times he would read an extract from that most influens -instead of providing for the poor man at the expense of tial paper, the Times itself. (The extract contained a the Government, did it at' the expense of the railway complaint of the treatment which travellers by the third: 'company. Now, in his opinion, such a system was not • clas s t ra i ns exper i enced at the hands Of the railway di. worth the legislation of that House. He could under rectors.) From the first time that these companies had stand,how.this clause was to work, although the distinc been established they had constantly ground the face of tions ,between rich and poor were to be drawn. For • the poor. They had systematically contrived their ar- what had been the result ? Why, where the third rangernents to compel people to take the first or second class carriages had been made comfortable, gentlemen class carriages instead of the third. . had gone into them. The fact was, they could not make An Hose MEMBER then moved that the House be a distinction between the rich and poor man. :He should counted, and the gallery was cleared, but . there were like to ask a question of the .Right Hon. Gentleman the found on counting to be a sufficient number present to Secretary of State for the Home Department, and in make a house. On our re-admission we found doing so, he hoped he should not be considered in- Mr. WALLACE going through a statement of the .vidious—hut he wished to know who was Jack Cade various rates of charges per mile upon the several rail- now?—(Laughter,) He thought that this clause- came ' . _ ways in Great Britain and Ireland, but it was impossible with a very bad grace from a Government who had. to make. anything of his statement taken up at the close, charged them with being Jack Caries, because they The working classes could travel at an expense of only wished to lighten the hours of labour in factories. ,If one farthing a mile between the town which he repre- 'he'understood rightly, Jack Cade tried to regulate the sented-arrd Glasgow, whereas between those great em- price of commodities. But here the Government *poriunas of manufactures, Birmingham and Manchester, wanted the railroad ;proprietors to pay the expenses of _the charge was 2d. per mile. He advocated an entire convenience to the- poor. When they _On his side of change of the system, which was at present constructed the House came forward to decrease the hours of la _ . in f avou r of the 'few and against the many. He shO u ld, bour, they were met by the name of Jack Cade by a • . stherefere,, give.. the Bill his best support. He was de- GoVernment who were endeavouring to interfere with dried) , in favour of competing lines ; and he could not private property in the unexampled manner, proposed - - guess any reason why there should not be competing by this Bill. He thought there was one thing that ren lines in every direction. The railways from London to dered the present time the most unfit to introduce such a --Liverpool paid 12 per cent. Why should there not be measure, and that was because the whole plan of. rail two lines; with 6 per cent. as a sufficient remuneration? ways was likely to be greatly improved. Let them look Now, with regard to the conduct which the Post-office at the proposition for atmospheric railways. Why, if that ,- had experienced from the railway companies, h e th oug ht could be brought into o p era ti on , th ere was no t as ain g l e -. . there Must be a very strong impression op the public turnpike road upon which they might not have a railway. . find. —(Hear, near.) He could give many instances The Bill seemed to him to prevent the improvement of: • Wherein the necessity of some decided restraint upon existing railroads as much as it did new ones. He them was proved to be absolutely necessary. Whilst trusted lie had not occupied too much of' the time of the, . upon. this . subject, he might 'be permitted to say that House in bringing before it arguments, which he did not ... it.had been stated the Scottish people were willing not to pretend to say ought to have such weight with the • have mail-trains on a Sunday, in order to avoid the de- House as to induce it to decide on 'such a subject- as secretion of ahe Sabbath. This was all nonsense—all this. But he had presented conSiderations which had '. • •absolutely untrue. A -few pet-ions, calling themselves sufficient weight in his own mind to induce ,him to S'ay, the people of Scotland, said his countrymen were against that this House ought to pause on such a question be- - Sunday travelling ; but these were only such 'persona . as fore it adopted the measure irrevocably at the present Sir Andrew Agnew, who knew nothing at all of the real period of. the session. He believed that the .'evils of , feelings of the people- To revert, however, ;to the Bill monopoly with regard -to the railways, that were so , • - before the. House, he had only one objection to it, and much ,talked of, were exceedingly hypothetical. that was that it did not go far enough.—(Hear, and They ' were looking rather at what the rail- laughter.) No, he repeated, it did not by any means go roads' ' were four or five years ago, when it . far enough. Still, so far as it did go, it was a most excel- was considered impossible that so many competing' lent measure, calculated to do a great deal of good, and• lines could come into play. But it was the general:i to reflect very high credit upon the •Government. He statement that the country was now becoming covered trusted Ministers would not heed anything the directors with a "net-work" of railroad, which would always' 'might do, but go on firmly with their measure, , which secure a large amount of competition. This competi certainly should have his very best support. tion would be the real 'safeguard to the public, and they • Mr. C. BULLER said .he could not help remarking ought not to deprive the public of that safeguard till ' upon the animadversions which had been indulged in by- they were perfectly sure, on the best information and. the Right Hon. Gentleman, the President of the Board fullest discussion of the subject, that they had hit - upon . of Trade, as to the motives of those gentlemen who 'some pl an w hi c h wou ld g i ve - the public a better security ' opposed ds Bill, and the self-laudation with which be- than it now possessed, - both for good management, secue• had 'spoken of the conduct of the Government. That rity, and cheapness. He perfectly. admitted that mile' . . Right Hon. Gentleman really seemed to suppose 'that' ways required control and regulation—he perfectly ad- . hthe opposition to this Bill had been got up from the mitted that. The law did control all private enterprises esest and most interested motives, and that every'dise • he had never heard that trade was to be exempted from . , sentient from the views of the Government was influ- the operation of the law. Let them adopt regulatiens;.' . . • eneed in his opinions and actions by those Parliamentary then, for these establishments, but let them apply those agents whom he had taken upon himself to denounce in restrictions by legislation, and.not by the wholesale plan such 'strong and unmeasured terms as the most active of transferring the whole of - the railways over to and formidable opponents of the Bill. He (Mr. Buller) the will of the Government. Surely a subject must confess he had heard so mu c h o f thi s se lf-l au d at i on o f t hi s magn i tude . required the meditation of one that he was quite sick of it, because his experience told recess, and the discussion of at least one session. him that when Government didarray great masses of the ' Let them have a Bill, making all the restrictions faeces- People against them, it was sometimes done quite as sary, and to. such a*Bill he would give his support. But ?Such by their own folly, as at other times by their own let them not pass, in such a hurry, a measure like this, honesty and public virtue. And he thought, when he which handed over the control of all the railways to the recollected the course pursued during the long period Executive Government. °1 'ten years by those now in power, but then in op- Mr. S. WORTLEY said he concurred in most of the Position—when he recollected that for all that period observations that had fallen from the Hon. Member for t hey had organised into a conspiracy against the public Liskeard. He had passed a glowing eulogium - on -prie good all the private interests of the nation, it was, to say vete energy and enterprise, and none would more t h,e least of it, somewhat presumptuous in any Member readily concur i n t h e j ust i ce o f that eulogium than . the present Government to indulge in the self-appro- himself. But the House was not called on to say h at ien and cant of which they had for the last few days that all private enterprise in this respect was to be sub ,:arsci so much.—(Hear, hear.) For his own iaart, he mitted to the Government ; the measure only claimed a, nidly acknowledged he did not participate in those reservation of the power to control these lines at a future feelings,,,, of animosity,distrust, and suspicion, which were time. The Bill only.reserved to the Government a dis - f - 1 7 niPted to be raised against the railway interest of cretionary power. He should vote for the Bill on the n ' tB eoUntry. (Hear, hear.) He must own that when- simple understanding that they were not about tb inter ever he had to travel by railway he travelled, in a most Pere. with enterprise. He would admit that they had , . c omfortabl e and commodious carriage, at three times the not - the elements of the question before them ; if he - speed he formerly could, and generally for the same rate thought that the Bill implied one-tenth part of what had et' fare as on the top of a coach. He could not then but been attributed to it, he would oppose it. But he be • think them a great good, and he thought it but fair in lien,'" those statements were totally founded on any one not to look too harshly upon any imperfection's, misconstructions. Among - those assumptions were which it was not to be wondered at should exist in so some very extraordinary ones. Honourable Gentlemen new a system.—(Hear, hear.) The general argument seemed to suppose that the whole management of the on Which he intended to found a few observations, was railroads was to be undertaken by the Government. this—that they should_ not rashly interfere with the This was not the case; though it was not impossible that preSerit system of railways, for by them the public had the Government might hereafter adopt a plan somewhat . obtained the g reatest increase of power and comfort that resembling that pursued in France, of purchasing the Lad taken place in our time. And before they started their land for the line, and allowing private capital to carry Plan of interference, he thought it but right that the out the work. -He did not pronounce any opinion on Rouse and the public should' have the opporttmitY of this plan, but he thought it not unjust; for Parliament contrasting that which they proposed, with that which at the present period of rail w ay hi story should have was now in existence.—(Hear, hear.) There was no some degree of control. He had a strong sense of the doubt evils in the management - of the present system, benefits which the railway companies had conferred on but he asked them to satisfy his mind that there were no the country. Considering. the vast amount of their ' vils ' in the-plan which they proposed to substitute ?If business, there was but little cause for complaint ; very the evil s of ra j / were so great as stated in "the present system great accommodation was afforded to the pub..- t ent . ' s aYs, it behoved that House to give a very at- lie. But still it . could not be forgotten that they iv e consideration to the subject before they deter- •• had arrived at a point at which the greater part of all n l what alteration should be made in it. He con- the necessary lines of communication were constructed, ~,,. (eased, however, that his great objection to the present; and twenty or thirty years hence they might have to r .,°ceeding was, that they should be called upon to legis- interfere at great diftdvantage. He confessed that, at , f .'be on such a subject in so short a period of first, he looked at the Bill .with some apprehension— :4lle. Were they, on the first intimation of evil (Hear, hear)—and .he still objected to some of the ';:' adopt any plan or remedy which the Government, at clauses ; but that was no reason why the Bill that late peri o d of the session, might choose to point should be pre ven t e d f rom go i ng to the : second ‘ out to them ? W - ere they to be called on in the month reading. He had great doubts as to the policy, fire uly, for the first time, to pass a Bill, founded on of the guarantee, as calculated to remove all motives for had reports, which he, for one, candidly confessed he the good management of a line. , The second clause was. benches.) never read ?--(lronical cheers from the Treasury also a point for consideration. But these difficulties tfs enc hes.) He did not think it necessary to plead guilty must be met now or at some future time, or they must F t , any dereliction of duty for not having read these vo- sit down quietly with their hands folded, and submit to v "mes, for the House had been most fully engaged ou all the consequences, however inconvenient to the public. karious subjects of the highest importance, and there Mr.. GISBORNE commenced by saying that he never ha been quite sufficient to fully occupy the mind of heard a speech which had so completely exhausted the every Hon. Member. And it, moreover, had never en-- subject as the speech which he had just heard. He tered into his mind to conceive that any Government, at must say he was struck at the singular contrast which such a period of the session, would' call upon the existed •between the -Right Hon. Gentlem an an d th e ouse to legislate upon a subject at once so Hon. Gentleman opposite. Th e s pe e ch. o f th e Ri g h t larget his and so important.--(Hear, hear.) Well,' thin, Hon. Gentleman was, no , d ou bt, one o f great . "'t!s Bill, first of all, went to interfere with talent; but it was a slashing ,speech, full of attacks P i ,ro r ate property in such a w ay as neve r w as b e f or e heard upon ever y p erson , an d i mput i ng mot i ves, so t h at one 6 ' in :hat House—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear")—in a might have thought that the speech came from the W ay, to o , contrary to all our habits, all our institutions, Colonial-office, though the measure came from the Board. a nd the spirit ( SF British enterprise ; for this Bill directly of Trade. He did not think the Right Hon. Gentleman Pro posed t o g i ve to :be Government the power of taking was justified in saying that th e y en d eavoure d t o th e railw a y s i nto th eir own hands. But the Right Hon. stifle all discussion, and not to allow the Right „l'esident of the Board of Trade said they could not act Hon. Gent/4l anto introduce his Bill. The . present ;Pen the clause which gave this power. Then why wars . Government seemeel tu to him to be very desirous of „" e h an inoperative clause left in the Bill ? Clauses one, caiting imputatrOluy ap,their opponents. 'So on the coven, eight, and others he could turn. to, all gave or Bank Charter Bill; .Tni:Aight Hon. Gentleman at the sh ," ll armed the power of purchase,and the Sixteenth clause head of the Government had said that he was a friend to only says railways may be purchased, hut actually non-convertibility, because. be opposed that Bill. But it e lnlets in whom they are to be vested when they are pur- was always the ease with those who manufactured quack as ue d•—(Hear, hear.) Then there was the 38th clause, medicines to be very angry if they were not taken. Now t" exceedi ng l y s t r i ngen t one , by w hi c h G overnmen t was w h at was t h e hi story o f t hi s Bill ? Wh en t h e R i ght he et a c on t ro l over a ll ex i s ti ng ra il wa y s , as w ell as H on . G ent l eman wen t i n t o C omm it tee, h e t h oug h t h e e hereafter to be made ; therefore the public were was pregnant with a great scheme ; and when he came t i i ! l ite right in the interpretation which they had put upon out he was no doubt diseoneerted at his little abortion. s r c lauses of the Bill. It would not alarm the public so Thu Right Hon. Gentleman produc e d hi s hyp o th e ti ca l 12 7 0 41 if th e only power the Government had was that of outline, but it was sadly cut down, and he w a s obli ge d p l ,-, l , l ' e hassing. the railway. But the Government was em- to abandon it. The present Bill* was supported by the s, t : v ered by th e 38th c l ause t o ma ke co n t rac ts w ith e x - l a t e an d th e p resen t P res id en t o f th e B oar d o f T ra d e , n ' ' railways.' -but it was not a little curious that while one considered /1 ,7 ita.'r- W. E. GLADSTONE' observed that that was the power of purchase as the main provision of the Bill, se, . the other thought that the revision clause was the im -4,P!. C.'I3I3ILER said that if that was not so, he did portant part of it,. Now, be would try the Bill by a not " - " 0 w the meaning of the clause. If any railway s unfair test. He would suppose a Vresident of the Board of --,p a e ny wanted to increase its powers, they had not to Trade.living some years ago possessing, if that were c,., i1 1e before Parliament, but before the Lords of the possible the united wisdom of both, and that now7ntaittee, and so, in fact, to come before the Board of sions of that Bill were to come into operation. how tee a de. It was on this ground that he objected to this would it apply to the - London and Birmingham Railway? * Zs s . asure, I t seemed to h i m extraord i nary that at the With regard to the 10-per cent. clause. ' the Loadon and ent day parties should get up in the House of Com; _Birmingham Railway. Company would, be too wary to wh E ls ,_°,f Great Britain and defend private enterprise, divide a c l ea r a n n ua l profit, amonn ti ng t o more t h an i t en had' made this country the greatest in the world. 9L 19 s . I n p o i n t o f f ac t, the 10 p er cen t. c l ause was i n t o a :PPeared to be the wish of the Board of Trade operation at this moment. They thought it enough to vaselnterfere as much as possible with the pd. have a dividend of 10 per cent s , end they refused the less di e aterprises• of her Majesty's . subjects. He palat4ble traffic, such as coals and nere„ls, They 14 _, not know where this interference was to end ; would not-dirty their hands. with coal.'— (Lauhter and, tiliu_uably by and bye they would have an assistant come cheers.) They even laid 4 prohibition on the coals which v i 'Siegler to cut their meat for them, because the Go-. . were - brought orfthe Midland Oniinaps . leilavay,, which t e r t nlnent could do everything better than any one else. could be brought,us he was-prepared to prove, et three 1 , leytonnot-cleat had been made without the assistance of the Go- railways under the provision . clause. Then it was said th e ll meni: The roads in France had been made under that theywould purchase railways.- 'Did any man in- the 1 ' B uPeriet *mince of the Government,'and fie would kingdom; who was left at large, believe in the practica eave e. n i It to those who bad travelled in France and s in -bilityrof buying up those railways? There were 40 miles Th!',T l, l to' say which were the best.—(Hear, hear.) of railroad at Exeter, and 60 at York, and - the manage eesi"ghting of the towns'id England had been accona-,lirfent of these was to be in - a - board' here. - The Right ask, "1 by private individuals, and where, be would. I on. Gentleman, the.President,of the Board of Trade, f4is where were there towns better lighted -than in this -I called'something a farce. -He would time .44 equally ex , ',nry'? Even -. . .. • of th , the buoying and lighting of the coasts pfessivoword, and say that -'the right of purchase was all th e p .. country wee mat left to the Government, but' to gaminon,—(Laughter.) Everybody knew. it could not be th" unity Hoase, and where was a coast better lighted acted upoii., gvidence was given , before the Committee L ove/ than of Great Britain? The great Bedford as to the extent of the poweti of •rerision which the &a llow e that was the work of private indiridaals, . verninent should possess, and no parr , of the - Wh:were all the coloni es o f thi s coun t ry pl an t e d ? h ypot h et i ca l outline was so' completely smashed' a s thi s ke e l' . by private companies, and not by the Govern- - power of revision, It was shoWn that the Government a,siv_ S uch being the case, why should they put them- could net act on it. The. Right Hon. Gentleman had thr o w into the leading-strin,:3 of the Government, and misrepresented km (Mr. Gleborne) when he said that .a,mauw_saaide those great principles by Web the great- 1 he was giving the Government a more extensive power, gratiourtills country had been accomplished ? sts to em - What he said was, and ho still retained the same opi eseee,s,s, e did not think that the Noble Lord's plait hii.4.;“ioti, fiat there was no medium .between 'allowing the vi dtta Tt! sO - much as the perseverance of private indi- - Lostrest enti-Spetitign lind the Government taking all rail* th e "- It wise absurd to attempt to put railroads under wasY into 4 ..' - ielr knoic l4 . Un4o the resent system they , ialete -6 :rei . iiance .of postmasters-general. Look at the had.the . power of triii!:ng impromaems, not. only fif il k . .eney i that had been shown by such officers—an mechanical kind, but lin th e way of econoreiaal co h "I . _ cleney that he would venture to say would never managements, which would not. take place i. a* " taken 1 . !idu a l s. Thi tace u . nder the control of private indi- railways were in the 444 Of thagovernment. He was agatn, there was the Admiralty, a por- even afaid that, under the Government, ,ffiff ivoffit4 pi tt F a ° l l 4 o_f the Government, he would venture to say, that behind - other countries with ' respect to their manage: lAr veu T n _ , s more _ backward than any other in adopting im- meat, fie regretted to hear the Right Hon. Gentleman ase e ,cnt • Would they have got rid of the sa y tjaat:eenepetitiosa yesss.,tp, pretection to the public in to P.". t ee , against steamers. if they had been heft the case of railways, fie thong4t4o4ightifor4 en- Lords of the ..4.dmireity,/ ...pook. at the Halifax 1 tleman should have abstained freei eqsressing emit ettt i , 0d • • ji he could , not I _coneaive a I ACTrONS FOR GAMTl'Wbi''''‘'''....." --- • ~_. _ ___r _ ____ ---14 a f 644. r for Lym e en an indieidual or - "Ptoiiiling r SCO,NTINETAIWE s! BILL:; '-- -- ••- s '" - •L more s liberal or . equitable . GovernMent - -elatited• the I -On the order h . for it.—(Hear; hear.) The . --"-e- "" enc ; ; sv a; tit -all adtalitd , j '•• • under the Bilk ea ~ . , n , von Id- not then ! ft ) A.• , ' of the cla.yfOr bringingiiip the:r4' - ' ~. e caons for Ganiieg Discontinuance 13 . 11 b •on power of revasion n aly coasa der tliege e -; as, .CHIZISTIT h• - • iei partecl, enter into the details, ::and wail- T c i n e Hon. atleeaher. for i city of a " ...., • II `old take that; . oppOrtht- neral,principles of the measure.. , ~ hed spekea ai. gOcal ; Le ' N bl n"-el'ing an atta6ic -whial7 h ad been. made_ :by: l ila a . late . .p . eriod -'l‘ L:rd ' ' ll ° had' merle Lrlti:e Member ' beinia taa - en -b y suiprise. 1 wire was not present to deid• hi . 1 and whiCh .thi ' Rill deal about railway cempan ce ruse f. The, .Nable They said the Bill was not brought in u _ an attack of the strongest chniecte Newcastle., and other . IlOns Me In h ili cri n , ll . ch Q n 'ttee which ' I • ' ' le name- of Russelloonh of by surprise. But the rePert, 0 - t.-° 'mu It stated-, ~. Iv kom was' it,solieitor • and - the otherthe plaintiff in the of the session, and that railway proprietors- mere taken against - tiloaindividiils of ti r favourabletime for lecesiation was inthrided t - i di-ce' • 8 i t could be a . appeared in the Ap r il o f thi s year, distinctly. tnat actions which, were now pending', the.presen :After imoting the-different reports of filo 'Railway - Corn:•• from • Mr. RllSSell • •• , , the solicitor,. whose character the the Right Ho .Noble T. . - " to .a late period, e x . from April down t .n. ome ex-1 Baronet proceeded to say that he shou, .ld deprecate - tracts 'fe ' • .. ..,, om. it to the 'House, •He would net read :the ' strongly the - frequent exercise of this power 'on the pert whole. of it, because some parts of it were the reverse of • es` - 0 - p - of the Legislatere, and are era to. the public ante .. es`, as orn limentary to tire. character of the- Noble :Lordase could alone justifyits application, The Bill took pre- (Cries of " Read 1 read!" ) - The Noble cautions on the subject of oonveyqnce, TT .. - .9 would riot: liberty the re , t o s a y whet he pleased of the character. of take to himself any especial credit for guarding the inte. persons eat of that House, and he had generously avail e d rests. of the htimbler elaeses, but he thought Parlia e , himself of that privilege last evening.---(liettr.), But if ! I merit should have regard •to providing a cheap they said qnythilig. ageing the character 'of • the by and " safe mode of conveyance for them. f l ofeigii' Lofd, that meld not be reed in that House even by.the: countries had . given the aubjeci Anna; . attention- Noble Isord'e_ptirtrdssrion without offending against the He held. in his, hand a report of the French Chember, relee:of.that House.' lie would now read to the- House which showed that the logislators of France did not think th e extracts from the letter of Mr. Russell. They were it out.of their province to make peevie t ion .for th e corn- es follow i-en-I conld : never have the assurance to meet forts of the •humbler classes. The Committee of the either Mr. Gibson or. yourself, had there been one syllable French Chamber said they had more than once pre,. of truth in Lord George Bentinek's statements. I will. ... tested against the use of open carriages. it appeered not attemp t to d efend my brother's ' conduct . , in, to them that the interests of humanity enjoined them an a ff a i r w hi c h occurred some years ` s id ee. " j lie, not.to•condeinn the humbler cl a sses of se l ects, to incen-, bed , already stated that • in his evidence be venienee and danger. - . The mode of transit in open car- 'fore . the . Committee, " I will . - apt riages not only - exposed the passengers to the a i r; b u t- :d efe n d mr brother ' S conduct in an affairnot whichttemoccnrred tq . aleci to the risk of fire from the particles thrown out by some years since; and' through which I might have been the engine.. The writer insisted that the third-class ruined, if I hadnot had the means of entirely exeulpat trains Should always be est a bli s h e d at fares !not exceed.. 'in myself to the satisfaction of every perky% I Should ing: three farthings - p er ' m il e , an d considered that the grieve Ityou Or Mr. Gibson, having heard my state secencl.elass-.carriages s h ou ld ha v e wind o W s , an d the remits, should-think that any d egradation; would attach third-class curtains.—(fleare hear.) . 'Now, in aanction- . to you inconsequence, ' I said that if you have the ovi ing railroads' Istewhieh air 'other_ ! modes of eonvey?tlep dence printedevery one will be able to judge if lam de were destroyed, lie thought it..was .aoting but right serving of the character which 'this Lord last ,night that the Legislature should provide " securities " for the gave 'of me."—(Hear, hear, • end cheers.) , :He comfort and convenience of the humbler classes.—(Hear, hoped they would have the evidence printed, and printed heer.). The lion. Gentleman opposite took a very high wholly, without expunging of any portion of it.—(Hear, tone on the : subject of railways. He seemed to think hear.) He entertained no feelieg of degradation fi•on that they had an unlimited right to deal with the having had interviews with Mr. Russell.. Mr, Russell public -as 'they„ thought fit, ~ Be it so es to exist- had' ome to - aek him to present a petition, and to afford • •railways ; be it that the London and Birmingham him Information: Even if he had hoen deserving of the ing .company had• a right. to. say, in rather aristocratic lan- character which the Noble Lord had given - him, even if gunge, "We will not soil our carriages by the convey= hpon a cemmon hell-keeper, and had said that In mice of coal." Still the . neestion was whether, when that - character he had suffered a grievanee which the shou theY ld not ta were gO ke ing to give, powers to new rati companies, they . House of Commons could reme d y, and had asked him to some , moderate and onal precautions present a petition, he should have felt it his duty to do against their abuse.—(Hear, hear.) If he thought that .ace-- „, (Qheers,) , But he Would not h ave associated with the effect of this Bill would be to destroy that private a hell-k ee p er f urt h er — ( )-- d not hav e Cheers would enterprise in which railways had ori g i na t e d, h e would betted with hinise-(Cheers.) H e wou ld not have eoriana's; not believe that the precautions which his Right not consent to its being passed into c l aw . put he did 'slotted •him to bet for hills.—(Reiterated cheering.) •H e Hon, would not belong to 4 club of which lea was a member. Friend proposed to establish w Wi l d 1)414 the Pfrect either --e(Oontioned cheering.) He had declared his intention of preventing or impeding the appiicati o d 'off pri va t e ' of, offering every factious opposition to the Bill, and. - Since the first report was published, publicly he had afterwards said 'he woidcl withdraw it ; but the capital. announcing - that some precautions ought to be taken, reasons he hqd troll foi , so doing . had 'hot been 'he had had - the satisfaction of seeing thet thirty ProPPY I Y .- stfltetl. e ' protested against this Bill; he new railroad schemes had been iiroposecf,cntatilPg CO protested agehlet the manner in which it had been expenditure of pot loss than 24 A. 0 , 0 04 - -0 - lear, heat.) carried thrAllith that House ; he protested against the He hoped that railways would be conducted by competis refusal of the Muse to hear the plaintiff by counsel tien, and the application of pri va t e eepita--(llear, against this Bill, in the rejection of which he had hear.) He hoped most. sincerely th a t th e necessity the clearest, and th 4 -most direct personal interest. would never arise for the Government undertaking the If ever 1 1. 1 04 n was entitled.to be heard by counsel at the management o f railways. Whetivr a ease might . Prise bar of the' }reuse, it was this muoh-wronged indivi arise in which it would be desirable for the governitent dual, and it• was mast unjuat that such a boon should either to construct some short line' of railway, in order be tensed hire. ' lie complained of the manner in whioh to ascertain the expense, or tq establish the - exeninie Of the evidence had been taken, and of• the manner in a . mode, of management,' lie pr onounce d no opinioie which that evidence had been used, When that ' evi- But he should deprecate the transfer of patronage. 'lle donee should be formally communieated to the House, a trusted the • Government would never be converted into question, he thoUght might arise, as to whether that evi the directors of a railway.—(lieer, hear.) At the.same donee would not give a proper occasion for a motion Ma th:nes he hoped they would hare that ctogrPO or control tive to interference with the privileges of the House. The which was necessary, both as a security for ' t h e' ss ßill'aeriously affected the interests of individuals.' A public, and to prevent abuse.--e(Hear; hear,)- 1 04 0 petition had been presented, praying that counsel might trusted that Parliament would give them , that be heard- againit the Bill, but the prayer of the petition dormant power of a purchase—that dormant power of had been, refused i -and when the petition was presented,_ interference which would operate as a tacit and effec- the Committee in another 'place, who suspended its sit. tual check upon extravagant - demands by . these coin- tings for some time, had summoned the solicitor before wiles. Upon these grounds, retaining his, respect for them. A searching investigation was instituted. When these Companies, and knowing that they-were underthe the day arrived for hearing counsel the evidence was dis-. deepest obligations to them—depr eca ti ng any measure senainated, : and the,character of the petition was made a which would prevent a similar a ppli cat i on of capital, yet reason for refusing to hear it by counsel -at the bar o f thinking it right that they should ma k e secur i ty for the ' the House. The Chai rman of the Committee, whoever public against exaction and against abuse, he should he might be—even the Duke of Richmond conspired give his cordial support to the measure proposed by the with Government for promoting the Bill, and abused his Right Hon. Gentleman.—(Cheer s .) Mr. WARD .rose amidst cries of "Di v id e , di v id e. " position as Chairma n o f th e C omm i ttee in 'another place, • The and was guilty of an i n f r i ngement ' in communicating lion. Member said he thought th e :case s t ate d by that evidence. He would le ave th e pu bli c; to judge of the Right Hon .Baronet was on e t o . w hi c h n o future the circumstances in which the evidence was use d ; an d railway company could possibly o bj ec t s —(H ear , f rom he . thought the opinion of the public had not been tie Ministerial benches.) If nothing were intended but favourable to the promoters of this Bill.,(Hear.) a notice to railway companies, that after a certain num- • The CHANCELLOR .of the EXCHEQUER ex her of years their tolls were to be subject to a revision, plaieed what he said on the previous night. His reason there was no company about to apply to Parliament for opposing the hearing •of the petition by counsel at 'which could object to such a proceeding,__(Hear, hear.) the bar of the House was, because, after diligent search Undoubtedly, with respeet:to the c onve y ance o f l etters, of precedents, he could not find one in. whi c h an indivi the Government had .a right to requi re f rom th e railway dual was permitt e d t o appear at the bar of that House Companies WhateVer was necessary. The same remarks himself, or by Counsel, when legislative interference was might be made in referefice to the conveyance of troops merely of a suspenslonary eharacter.--(Hear, hear.) at the - lowest possible cliaree.—(ilear, hear.) The ater. M. GIIISON considered that he had not been clause with r egar d to third- al class carriages was' abso- fairly reported in the Morning Papers as to what he lutely unexcepti ona ble. His obj ec ti on t o it in the first 'said on the previous night, and he therefore wished to • instance arose from the understanding that third-class , ma k e a further statement. The Hon. Member carriages were r equ i re d t o accompany every tra i n. What spoke with considerable excitement of manner, saiwho , d— he complained of with regard to thi s Bill w as , that it If the Noble Lord (Lord G. Bentinck) or any one else, was not what it professed to be, and that -powers were makes a. aharge against me that I associated with per taken.by it which had excited thedeepest•alarm amongst sons of improper _character, or with persons guilty, of all persons connected with railways. If the Govern- any crime, I assert in this House that that charge is meat did not mean to use their formidable powers, why false and scandalous, and I defy the Noble Lord or any, did they propose to take them ? - 'The whole Bill, from - 'body else to prove it, or to show that there is any founds the 7th clause to the 24th, was a complete system of lion whatever for it. ; The solicitor my Honourable 'Government interposition. He objected post stron Friend alluded to called 'at his (Mr. M. Gibson's) to' he powers conferred. He believed that the measure house—he came to him in - a public capacity, had been brought forward without sufficient considers- lie had felt that he was entitled to listen to his comnau don ; but if a:notice of future regulations was all that • nication and make what use of, it he pleased. That he was required by the Government, and if it werean that- had (lane, and that he w ou ld d o . again ; and he pro , light that the Bill w as t o b e rece i ved, he would put it to tested, in the face of that House, against being charged, those gentlemen who had hitherto concurred - with him, 'either directly or indirectly, with having associated, in 'whether it was 'advisable to go to a diviSion. - the popular sense, with persons of improper character, Mr. ,G,LADSTONE entirely concurred in the sug= and who had committed crimes. ,gestions of his lion. Friend. The Bill was based upon Lord- PALMERSTON said, that having had an op `the report presented to the House some time ago.' . ,portunity of forming an opinion on the Committee, he Mr. HAWES (WIN, spoke amidst loud cries of " Di- felt justifiediu saying that he thought his' Hon. Friends vide,") said that the effect of the Bill would be to place were perfectly justified in the course they' had pursued all railways under the direct control of the Government. with regard teMr. Thomas Ruisell. It appeared to him On the line of communication with Ireland that certainly that a Member of Parliament had, in the performance of 'would be the result. If the clauses which garP,the Go- his duty, a perfect right -to receive information vernment such control were thrown out he would not • which might .be tendered to him whilst pursuing an ject to the Bill. He could not sit down without defend- investigation, and he thought, in fact, that he would not ing,the chaincter of the professional gentlemen who had be justified in refusing it. With regard to the point opposed the Bill.. He sat -down amidst loud cries of raised by his Hon. and Learned Friend, he could entirely "Divide', • bear out the statement of the Right lion. Gentleman, Mr. MUNTZ said, that in opposing this Bill . he had that the decision of the House yesterday turned, not on no personal motive, except that he derived g reat any judgment formed respecting the character of Mr. advantage and convenience from the railways, 'and Russell, but on the ground that his case was. not parallel he wished to • see them extended all over the king- to that of Mr. Wright,- and that he was not a bona fide dom. There was" another . consideration, - that al. prosecutor. .Bu as far as any. reflections on character though the' Right Honourable Baronet and his Were concerned, he must submit to the House that yes colleagues might look at this ".as a dormant power,”: to en evening tans not the first time that doubts had who was •to guarantee that some future Government been thrown•out on that subject.—(Hear, hear.) would not look at it in a different light? That which Lord HOWICK said .he objected to the Bill on the was a "dormant power" might, in future times,' and in ground that it not only protected persons from actions other hands, become a very active and a very danger- - for past' betting, ' but that it protected persons who ous one. •He was most anxious that the railway system should subsequently bet on horse-racing. They were should be fully developed throughout the country, because going to legalise - betting, or. at least to exempt from all he considered it fraught with innumerable blessings. penal ' consequences those who took part in it. And - For this reason he should give his decided Opposition to looking at the matter in the light thrown upon it by the the _Bill before -the House.— (Hear, hear.) recent trial, he thought such a step must be deeply in Mr. S. CRAWFORD said it was a rare thing indeed j ur i ous to the country. He proposed to amend the Bill for him - to he seen giving .a"vote in - favour of a measure in the following manners—ln e reame 'he prop brought in by the G overnment. But looking on this to omit the words, " And that th no p otherbl proceedings osed or Bill as especially formed to benefit and assist the poor a like nature should be commenced or proceeded with." working-man, he felt it his dray to rise in the House He also proposed to omit the :first clause, in reference and thus briefly to thank the Government for bringing to • the period from . which the • Act was to itin. - '(Cheers.) He had the greatest pleasure in sup- operate, .and that it should continue in force till porting the Bill with his vote.—(llear, hear.) the ,end of th e next sess i on of Parliament. For the The House then divided, when there appeared— He called upon th e H ouse to go no further than to give Against it Majority , 98 . the Ist of Ju ne l as t. H e was no enemy to horse-racing, —BB ,and it was not his wish to interfere with the fair sports On our admission into the gallery we found of the turf. But he would give no protection to those Mr. WALLACE on his legs, asking the Hon. Mem- who made, the turf a system of fraud. He would con ber for Reading (Mr. Russell) whether he had not a elude by Moving the amendment of which he had given direct and separate interest in the Bill ?—(Cries of "He • notice. 'is not in the liOuse.") Yes, e is. —(Cries of " Show Lord.PALMERSTON said that he could not go at hini up.") So I w(Cries o h " Order, order.") the railroad pace of. his Noble 'Friend. But he hoped Sir JAMES GRAHAM—There are strangers in the that by the next session of Parliament Government House. would be - prepared with a satisfactory measure. The SPEAKER —Strangers must withdrew.. - . It was the opinion of the Committee that it was incon- The gallery was then cleared. The gallery was soon afterwards re-opened. We un- with the private pursuits, private business, or private derstood that while the doors were cloaed, ' ' pleasures of individuals. Butwhat was his Noble Friend's- Mr. WALLACE made an objection to the vote of i amount to which betting was to be allowed to go? He' Mr, C. Russell.. being taken, on the ground that he, was .; was for a restriction upon heavy betting on the turf, what interested in the subject. ..then would be his minimum ? Or were they to have a He ,was. supported by Mr. COLLETT, and a short ! graduated discussion ensued, but the Hon. M ember for Greenock , a sliding scale o f . t ur f b ett i ng ?—(Hear, and a lau.ut look to at his . subsequently:withdrew the moti on h e had made. ' trinegh wo ) uld ß -lead- to in wh tic prace. Noble It' would riend oo ond in . Mr. HAWES then asked if it was the intention of the , this—that what ' was done !in seeret should be Go ve rnment to' modify the Bill at all, or to g o into Com- w i n k e d at, and that the th un d era of the law sho u ld b e mitten with it as it was? Mr. GLADSTONE said he ! hurled only a t th ose w h o betted openly.—(Hear, hear.) was not only ready but ' And, to add to thia piece of hyocrisy, they would have desirous to consider any Modifi cat i on that would bring ' other' evils and inConveniences; for to work the principle the Bill into co the head of her conformity with the sp eec h of the Right Hon. Baronet to ital legitimate end, .they mu s t • enact a sort of sump at Majesty's Government, , tuary law, forbidding any one to ' give more than a Committee. and with the third report of the -ommittee. ' certain pike for a hor se , or anything he might de s i re Sir Ifi.PEa gad, that in his s p eec h h e was rather 'purchase—(Hear, beer.) For ' referring to. the report than to the technicatterms o to' these and othe r f the - reasons,: he would not, at this late hour, recapitulate. no Gill. _Be thought-the power to purchase ought to be re- . must °lapse, the amendment of his Noble Friend, and served to the Government and Parliament conjointly, stand. by the Bill as now arranged. That Bill was In not to be exercised indiscriminate] y;but as 4 check upon tended for 'the protection of honest recn-,..,(Hear, hear) . . ordered to be co the - railways. . against unjust and eitorti ona t e ' attempts, and he was oond time After some further diaousslon, the Bill was read a se- sure. the House would a ce th e j ustice and the wisdom of ~ an d mmitted on Saturday •, passing iti in its present.shape,—(Divide.") rteNt, • Mr, ARGTHERTON moved the adjournment of the The Report on the Law Courts (Ireland) compose- debate, - don Bill c was brought up and received, ! . - Sir J.- - GRAHAM, as at present 'advised, thought -• TURNPIKE TRUSTS (SOIITH WALES). the advice tendered by the' Committee with respect to "!` 'On' the'cirder o f the day for the second reading'of this .horse-racing, was good. He would, therefore, support: Bill, . . Mr. MORRIS was understood to o the Bill. •ppose the measure. L or d HOWI CK would oat divide on the amendments, Sir J. GRAHAM said he intended only that - the Bill and they Were withdrawn. The Noble Lord then moved should be r ea d a sec ond . time that night, and he pro, ahas the first clause should be omitted. By such a BA posed going into Committee upon t R Monday .as 'this, they threw by stealth protection overgembaieg seght. He- woold lie gif t Le t i theul Hon. Gen- ,of the worst description, while they visited whoa: gatub. 'Homan and oth er ininibere connected with South Wales, 'hug with the 'utmost se ver it y , ties far one, prot es t e d on the Bill. • against it. He elaald not divideethe House up , it, but The Bill was th e n read a second' time, and Ordered to he should.eall upon' the House-either to adopt or on negative be committed on Monday se'nnight, nia,proposition. , • , . . . - .SITDIRTIiy IatSFI/ ANCIUSEMENT. BILL. Lord PALMERSTON explained. T report The rert - o n t h e Sudbury Di sfranchisement Bill was The - amendment was negatived without as division, brought up and received. - • ~ . , . , the report was received, antith Bill ordered to be read •' • ' POOR-LAW AMENDMENT BILL a third time tosnaorrew (this day). • - The Committee on the Poor-law Amendment Bill wrs ;air TitiONEAS FREMANTLE moved for a. Select Postponed till a Quarter pql Viltlr o'clo c k this - day. Conimittee, to prepare estimates of the:charge ,of the 1 ... ‘ Liew Quarter ( RELAND) BILL . disembodied ' militia of Great 'Britain and ir?,4 1 4-1 for . The Law Courts (Ireland) ! Bill passed through Cora- the year ending' the , 31st dear of - kiarch, '1845: -Sir mitten. - . •-• Thomas .Frieiwilo,:V7isoonneEfowisek, Viscount Palmer ' The 'House then resumed, the report was rpci - t ive4, eton, Sir Johniciobliduse, Mr. Macaulay, Mr. Ellick, Snit Ancl t 9 Dill tTs ordered tote react a Ihirdirpe to-mot- tdviaid'liiiatahball, Mr..t.lor. Langtel i captain! B j hit aa ' . ' ' '• '' ' - '• - ' '. '• ' .' ', -•- ddro, - COlonel, Peel, Mr: raangle; .c„olc; el W-6ott h. 4. , s 3 ''' ." BU ;TEri s AND C [ 'ELSE,' BILL._ ...: . - : ar r antieri. tltitenS alkali' cblilol4 sof *t r ig ' , '..l.:AtA i *-1 ' t a, - The Butter and Cheese Bill then passed' through Corn- •' " ' ' ''' " - ''' ' TYPP:S:PPILANq, ,4 . C , ... ;IDPfLis limgcl Ow *W. , . mitt* j r l 11 OfS 47 4 4 " ' ”.-- µ ►g as a Select Com- , ,--, ,_ ~,,--, -,. LAW INTELLIG i . 4% ' . I' . l ''' • N AZ il;;;; :: ;••, , ' . : ' „.•• ' . . < • CO III? TOF 8.-INA I? UP !.i j 6 1 - it. (Ben,r3-Contnissioner Sir C. I- '''4 7 ) • ; ' i c s; : .. ExTitste;ssx.stlY', FRAUIM.---WILT ‘/,,A s tz4 . Y' - ----"%. , .-:':-„,, .- - 1.7 i The Isfmkrupt-carried on business as , 1 o ) ? ' 1- ' - a ''itt Inn, and has scen frequently before the c _e_ s kit'a - 1 appeared to pass his flied adjourned eta vialslh, antr" court was crowded to excess with the suffering victims of his fr/tudulentllreac,lr•s of trust. c 1 i. ,.. 4, The Right Honourable Lb% Lushingten, and the Rev. Archdeacon.. lirs mer: (of Ilath), were present on the bench, they having in their capacity of co-trusteess with the bank rupt, in re Wilkinson, been defrauded o f no less a sum than •. .29,0001. . 11. Ir. Clarkson 'attended on the part of Archdeacon Brs - mer and Dr. Lushington; Mr. Humphrey for the assignees; and Mr. Sturgeon tOr the bankrupt. The , debts and liabilities. amount, in round numbers, to about 1 40.0091., principally through breaches of trust, and shine of them appeared to have extended as far back as 1824, but the bankrupt stall continues to state that he has large available securities and bills of costs in various settled and unsettled's:ides, but which the derangement produced by his difficulties had hitherto prevented his maki ng out, a • )1 therefor e , not enablingt he official assignee to value them f . Mr. Cissizesok said that he had the honour of appea tj nor the Ve nera bl e A rchdeacon of Bath, the Re v . Dr. Bry • s nd els . ° Ilir Dr. lushintston, whoswere now creditors for el .. sung of 2.9,000/., an d w h o. had to complain that this amount, rather the greater portion of it, was unsecured, notwithstand ing the repeated assurances of the bankrupt, by rett and. ()Steil - Wise, that it w as • not upon - good s ecur it y; an d t he in terest, therefore, Laving ,been paid up to t h e period of tLe fiat, they were lulled into a false security. Most of the sums composing this 29,0001, bad originally been out upon good security, which, however, being subsequently released, the bankrupt had applied to his own purposes, instead of lending it upon mortgage, as he had induced his co -trustees to be lieve that-he had done. At the time of the death of the tes tator (Mr.' Wilkinson) the bankrupt was indebted to that gentleman in the 'Shin of 9,000/., and for which lie deposited at the testator's bankers (Messrs. Chitties) in a tin box, the deeds of two estates at Kensington and Clapton as security for that amount. This tin box, however, he had shortly after obtained from the bankers by fraudulent represanta lions, and under the promise of its being returned. This was never done, and the result showed that these estates were sold by the bankrupt, and that the trustees had no other security than the 'bankrupt's bond. The Learned Counsel here entered into a Jeugthened detail upon the various items of this amount, and the mode in Which the bankrupt hadi .dealt-with them, and upon the part especially of Mr. Bel lenden Tier (a most respectable conveyancer), whose name had been stated by the bankrupt to his co-trustees as having borrowed 3,000/., whereas, in point of fact, he now held ins his hand the affidavit of Mr. Tier, denying in the most pod-, Live terms that he had ever borrowed any such suns. Sir .0. F. WiLls.ssis—Does the bankrupt's balancesslieet give any intimation of these dreadful facts? The official assignee (Mr. Turqtiand)—None, Sir —none. Sir 0 F. Wirssasis—Why, then, it is a complete blank. Mr.' CrArrnsox—The balance -sheet gives no dates, and upon that fact alone lie could not be now permitted to pass his last examination. The Learned Counsel then read a letter addressed by the bankrupt to Archdeacon Brymer, giving an account of -how the moneys were invested, the greater part of which had turned out to be untrue. Ue pre tended to have effeeted mortgages with parties, in:Anding names of the highest respectability; but instead of doing s, he received the. moneys as they were paid off, and made use itulktect a long list of it himself. The Liarned Counsel recap sl to have been of names, and the particulars of mortgages ss.i concluded. After a few words of objection from Mr. Sturgeon as to the intended examination of the bankrup who did not at sent ask for his certificate, the bankru:pt was then ca, wen pre- Mr. HUMPHREY said—l appear, ,Si.r on the behalf of t h he assignees, and bad and sorrowful -cis the case may be which has been brought before yout , Honour's attention by my Learned Friend Mr..olarksor,,- it is only one out of twenty three 6ses . which I represset, and each . one of - Which I un dertake to prove to the satisfaction of every reasonable being to be case's in which the most heartless frauds have been per petrated by the bankrupt, amounting in the whole to no less a suns than 92,0004 There is one unfortunate person whom. the bankrupt has defrauded of 3,000/, so far back as the year 1824, when the money was deposited in his hands to place out upon good security, and as the interest was regularly paid up to the time of the fiat, the contrary was not known; but in consequence of their being no security this poor lady last week received parish relief, and she is now about retiring to the wor khouse.—(Sensation.) : ' There is also, your Honour, a person now in Court whoselnother had been pillaged in an amount of 8,000/. in like manner, and 'this lady had a few days since been obliged to sell articles of furniture in order to pay her rent.—(Several voices, " Shock.. inc.'.") The assignees feel it their unavoidable duty to go, fullyinto these cases, which will show a degree of heartle ss _ ness unequalled in any case brought before a court of justice: To the extent of 92,000/. I shall be able to prove fraud as bad, or worse, than the case which my Learned Friend has just stated, and the desire of the assignees is.to show to the world the extent of these terrible frauds. I have the representa tive, now sitting by my side, of a lady who deposited 25,000/S in the hands of the bankrupt, to be advanced upon security, the whole of which is lost, although a statement had been sent by the bankrupt to her, in which the time, circumstance, and place of the various securities in which her money had been placed was detailed, the whole of which statement now appears to be a fabrication from beginning to end. The bankrupt was here sworn, and examined by Mr.' CLARKSON—The letters referred to, and addressed to Dr. Lushington, are in my handwriting, but before I answer fur ther questions, I merely wish to state, that when this unfor tunate occurrence took place I wrote to Mr. Lewis, offering to give him every information that lie required. Id o not attempt to deny th a t I h ave acted improperly, but in most instances, there are circumstances of great palliation. After having given every information, am I bound to proceed in answering? • - The Court intimated that he was bound to answer ever , - question put to him by his creditors. Examination resumed—l was acquainted with Mr. ",s'il.. kinson, who, I believe, died in 1827, and Archdeacon 1.:,..,eme5, Dr. Lushingten and myself were co-executors L 1 'timer, his will. At the time of his death, I believe, there „ as a mortgage of 3,5004 on the property of- a Perison named Clubb, which was afterwards released by I).?:Lushington, in order to release it in the name of R. G. Trorighton. Ile 3,500/. ?—I can- Mr. o Am:sox—What didyou do with t not recollect. `nas it advanced to Mr. Troughton ?-4t was not. It went into y general fund. [Here the 'bankrupt, who appeared in a very weak state, burst into teitis]. . Mr. CLARKSON—Do you ;Mean by thatanswer that you applied it to your own r.diposes ?--Yes, before Dr. Lush ington released Clubb 's mortgage the interest was paid into the Bank in the name of Clubb, and after that date, and up to the fiat, it was paid in the name of Troughton. What was your object in keeping up the payments of inte rest in the name of Troughton when that gentleman had nothing to do with it ? The bankrupt (in tears)—lt ought not to have been done. Sir 0. F. Wir.ussts--You need not press for an answer to that question, Mr. Clarkson ; the reason is almost obvious. Mr. CLaztcsus—Now, in reference to Park's mortgage of 3,000/ e is the letter 'dated the 16th of September, in whicht you state that the money is to be lent on an estate in Mid dlesex and Hampshire, to pay interest 4i per cent. ? The bankrupt —It is my writing. The money never was advanced to him. The same course as to payment of interest was pur sued as in the case of Troughton. Mr. CLARKSON—Now, as to Fry's mortgage of 3,5000 The bankrupt—There was a m or t gage of 3,5001. "to Mr. Fry, which was also released, and supposed by Dr. 1 11 : yrner to have been secured upOn another estate in the same name. I paid the interest up to the time of the fiat,lint it was never transferred to any estate in Hampshire, or anywhere else. The money has gone into my general funds, but not for my necessaries. I have no doubt but that at the time there was. some contemplated security, though . I admit it was never completed. Mr..CLARKSON—Was there any title approved of by Mr. H. B Her, as you stated in your letter to Dr. Lushingtoe ?- 1 have no doubt but there was, but it is so long since that I. cannot say. I never told the, trustees that the transfer was not completed. The bankrupt was next examined with reference to the transfer of a mortgage of 4,0001. (to a Mr. J. P. Bumard, when it appeared that the transfer of that particular suns had never been made, although Barnard (as stated by the bankrupt) was then indebted to him in a larger 'SUM This sum had gone in the same manner (i. e., been made away with) as all the others, although he had paid interest into the bank in Burnard's name. In respect of the bankrupt's obtaining the tin box from Messrs. Childes, he stated that Mr. Wilkinson had allowed him the use of the 9,000/., and that he . had deposited the deeds of his Kensington and Clapton estates with them as security. The box was aftes wards obtained from them by letter from are, and I never returned it. I believe I did not ask the executors for leave to remove it. (In much agitation) —I can say no more. Mr. CLARKSON—Have these gentlemen any security- for the sums of 17,000/. and 9,000/. ?—None whatever. By Mr. lIIMPIIREY-1 was concerned fer Mrs. Blair, who died in 1841. Were there. any securities given for her money ?--There were securities in nearly every instance. Was there ever such a deed as Fry's in existence for 2,3004, and that it was ever executed ?--.1. believe there was, but I do not recollect. Fry was a timber merchant, and now liv es at St. John's-wood. His name is William Fry. I will not swear I had securities for that money, but by a reference to certain papers I should be able to explain all this, The greater esation of Mrs. Blair's 6,0001. was paid off. hill you not appropriate it to your own use ?--It 'went into my own accounts, That is, you misappropriated it, a s you did nil the other moneys ?-I'.'ss, it was so. Did yen not represent to Mrs. Blair that all this money was advanced to Mrs. Seabrook ?---It was so stated, I be- Out of that money, appro lieve, and 4,5004 was, I admit" priated to my own use. I '4- as concerned for a person of the name of Trott, in which, h sum of 3,250/. was absorbed, and in consequence of whieh one of th e co-legatees was now com pelled to seek shelter in a union workhouse. Mr. Hutarunitr—The representatives of Captain Blair lost upwards of 15,758/., and on the part of all the other sufferers, it would be unnecessary for him to repeat a tale of such gross and fraudulent circumstances. • Sir C. F. Wnwsts—This is not an every day case, and the bankrupt should have time to explain. Mr. FlournnEr—We have no objection to delay in favour of the bankrupt, and we shall furnish him with a list of all the cases which we charge against bins to have been of a most fraudulent character. Mr. STURGEON —The case, Sir, is very complicated— Sir C. F. WrirsAms—Why, Sir, it is one, unfortunately, of the clearest cases of fraud that ever came before the Court. Mr. Hustinextornsr suggested an adjourn men t o f the case to Monday . A long conversation here took place, in the course Of whi c h The bankrupt said, he was ready to give his creditors every information. Ile had never denied his unfortunate sitution—he knew he could not ; all lie could do Was to throw himself on the kind consideration of those whom he had injured. It was eventually agreed by all parties that a short ad lurnment should take place to hear anything the bankrupt might wish to say in palliation or explanation, and subse quently receive the, judgment of the Court on bli last exa mination, „ rinitiete- on :Dog Stealing (IfetropOlis),:—;-Mr. Liddell, .QV We liona, Mr.- Kelly, .111 r. Henry Berkeley (Bristol) Mr. Beek4t Denison ; M r . V ernon Smith, Mr.' Fitzr oy , Arr..lll2,ekintion, Sir John ATarde Buller, Major Beres- Ara; Visebunt _Barrington, Mr. Montague Gore, Lord' Arthim . Lennox, - Sir Robert Piget, and Mr. Rich ar d Hodgson.. - too much facility was-lately given to granting Committees, but.he.never ;thought it would -go to . the extent to which the lion. Gentleman was about to carry it.--(lliar. hear.) There : was to be, a Select . Committee to inquire into the steala ing of poodles and lap-dogs in thelnetrepolis.---(Bear„, hear, and laughter.) I Ile was . sorry :the "tight Inin. I Gentleman, the Secretary of State, •had given his assent l / to . the. nomination of the Committee, But, ,. perhaps, if' . he,,ttsked. the H ous e, i t would reverse its, decision, as it 'I WAS ,not very obstinate.(Latighter.) Sir J. GRAHAM- 7 -11)ogg rea ed.—(Laughte i . Mr. , LABOUCHERE lly thou g h t that this Com , mittee ought not to be grant e d, and he Would move; its-47 the .only m eans now left to. him, that-the fibst name be 1 1 'omitted.•---(Hear„hear.) - But as-he was aware that a well organised system existed forthe.stealitig of dogs, Which he would h e a bl e to expose : • .if he, obtained a' CoMmittee, he "Would 'Persevere in asking for it; uniess.the House thought otherwise. • Mr. WAKLEY thow.ht that -the Committee ought to' be made. more- extastvo.. and embrace the practice ()f: dogs in the..count r y prevailed to a great eXterit. . They Were theri . so ld i n the metropolis,. Where i they were stolen over and over again, and t at last e x p or t e d . -H .(Laughter.) • This system o f- trade had Gentle 'proba, come under th e o bi ervation of the Right Ho n. Gentlemablni. He hoped the Hon. Member would withdraW his motion, and move fur leave. to lazing in a Bill. ' ! - Mr. -BROTHERTON moved the adjournment of the House, _but subsequently wlthdreiv his motion._ _ -- The House divided on-the motion for tha.appointment of the Committ ee, ' when there appeared-- i - . • For the Committee ....... : ......... : ...... 135 - - Against it; ...... : .... .. ...................... , 8 • Majority for the Committee ...... —27 Sir G, CIiERK obtained leave to - bring in. a Bill to continue certain - of the allowances Of the dud)/ of excise on soap used In manufactures. Mr. G. W. HOPE o bt a i ne d •leave to bringi in a Bill to continue an Act-of the 10th Geo. IV., " foe, p,rovitligg for the G overnment .of his. Majesty' s Settlements in Western Australia, on the • Western Coast of New Holland." . . PRESBYTERIAN MARRIAGES (IRELAND) BILL. On the motio n o f Si r J. GRAHAM, this Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Thursday. - .. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at a Quarter to Twol PARLIAMUN TAR Y, DIVISI NS (From the Votes and Proceed:rigs of the House of Colnmons.) THURSDAY, JULY 11. • - RAILWAYS BILL. Motion made, and Question proposed, " That the Bill be now read a second time :"—Amendment propoSed, to leave out the word " now," and at the end of the Question to add the words " upon this day six months :"—Question put, " Thit the word ' now' stand part of the Question :" The House divided : • MAJORITY--AYES, 186. Acland, Sir Thomas L'lstnor, Viscount • Morrison, (G eneral A'Court, Capt a i n ' Egerton, W. 1. Morrison James Adderley, C. B. Eliot, Lord Neville, Ralph Aglionby H. A. E Scott, Biehkain : Newry, Viscount . Wain, W. E stcourt, T. G. B. Nichol!. J.l Altord, Viscount Fellowes, Edward • Paget, F. 1 • Allix, John Teter Fitzroy, Hon. H Palmer, It Archdall, Captain Flower, Sir James Patten, J. ,W Arkwright, George Forbes, , Pechell, Carptain Bailhe, Colonel H. ' Fox, S. Lane Peel, Sir Robert Balfour, J. M. Fremantle, Sir T. Peel, Jonathan Baring, W. B. Gaskell, James Milnes Plumptre, J. P. Barneby, J. Gladstone, W. E. • Praed, W. X. Bateson, Robert Gordon, Captain Pringle, Al xanderp Beckett, William Gordon, Hon. W. Pusey, Piifip Bentinck, Lord G. Goring, Charles - Bowdon, J, D. Blackburne, J. L Goulburn, H. Reid, Sir Jo lt. Bodkin, W. H. - G raham, Sir James Renton, Gerge J. Bolder°, Henry G. Greene, T. Rice, E. R.. Betfield, Boriah Grimston, Lord ' Rolleston, Colonel Bowles, Admiral Gtogan, Edward Round, John Bowring, Dr. • Hale, R. Blagdon Rumbold, C. E. Bramston, T. W. Hamilton, Lord C. Rushbrookei,Colonel Brisco, M.. . Hayes, Sir E. Russell, Lord E. Btocklehurst, J. Heathcoat, John Sanderson' aichard Brooke, Sir A. B. H enley, J. W. Seymour, Lord Brotherton, J.. - Hepburn, Sir.l'. B. Seymour, Sir H. B. Browne, W. Herbert, Sydney Sheppard, I[l. P Buck, Lewis W. H o d gson, Frederick Shieey, E. . Bunbury, Thomas H ope, Charles - Sibthorp, Colonel Burroughes, H. N. Horsman, E. Smith, Abel Campbell, J. H. Howard, Lord Smith, R. Ve rnon Cavendish, Hon. C. H oward, E. G. Smith , lllllon. T.B. C Cavendish, Hon. G. Nnwick, 'Lord Smyth, Sir 0. 11 Chelsea, Lord Hussey, Ambrose Somerset, rd G. Childers, J. W. ingestre, Lord Sotheron, 1' 11 Cholmopdeley, Hugh J ames, S i r W. C. Stanley,Lor Clay, Sir W Jermyn. Earl Stuart, Villi rs Clayton, Rice R. Jollitte,Sa W. Stuart, H. Clerk, Sir Geor ge Jones, T. . Stock, Sergeant • Clive, Viscount Knatchbull. Sir R Strutt, Edward Clive, R. H. Knight, Henry Golly Sutton, Henry M. Cockburn, Sir G. Knight, F. •W. 'ferment, J. ; 1.:. W. Codrington, Sir Labouchere, H. Thesiger, F. Colborne, W. Ridley Lascelles, W. S. £hornely, Tnomas Cole, Hon.H.:A. Law, Hon. C. E. Trotter, John Corlett, John Lefroy, Anthony Verner, Colonel Corry, Henry Liddel, H. T. Vesby, Hon. Thomas Cowper, Hon. W. Lockhart, William Vivian. John Ennb Craig, W. Gibson Ligon, Hon. Gen. Waddington, Harry S Crawford, W, S. M`Geachy, F. A. Wall, B, Cripps, W. ; Maclean, Donsld Wallace, Robert Curteis, H. B. Macnamara, W. Warburton, Henry Darner, Hon. G. M.Neill, Duncan Wawn, J. T. Darby, George Mahon, Viicount Wemyss, Capta in Denison, John Evelyn M anners,.Lord C. S. Williams, . Denison, E. Beckett M anners, Lord J. Wodehouse, , mono Dickinson, F. H. M ars h all, W. Wortley, Hon. Jn. S. Douglas, Sir H. Marshall, W. Wrighston, W. B. Douglas, Sir C. Marshani„ Viscount Yorke, E. T.; Dowdeswell, W. Martin, C. W. . Douglas, Sir Howard Meyn e ll, H . Youn Jo h nh Duncombe,TELLas A. Mil nes g, , Richard Lennox, Lord A. MINORITY—NOES, 98. .. , Ackers, James Forman, T. S. blunts, G. F., Ainsworth, Peter Gardner, J. D. Napier, Sir Charles Bailey, Joseph, jun. Gibson, T. M. Ogle, S. C. Ef f Bannerman, A. Gill, Thomas Ord William Barnard, E. G. Gisborne Thomas Packe, C. W. Barrington, Viscount Gore, W. Ormsby Parker. J. Berkeley, Captain. Greenall, Peter Philips, G. R. Berkeley, H. F. Grosvenor, Lord It. Plumridge, Captain Bernal, Ralph • Hallyburton, Lord Ponsonby, C. F. A. C Borth wick, Peter Hawes, B. Power, James Bouv'erie, E. I'. Hayter, W. G. P rot h eroe, Edward Bowes, John Hill, Lerd:Marcus Pulsford, Robert Bright, John Hinde, J. H. Itashleigh, Wm. broadley, H. Hindley, Charles Ricardo, J. L. Buller, C. Hodgson, Richard Richards, Richanl Chapman, Aaron Holland, Robert R. issell, Charles , B. liornby, John S cott, H. Cnarteris, Hon. F. Howard. C. G. W. Seale, Sir J. H. Christie, W, 1.): Hughes, W. B. • Smith, J. Abel • Christopher, R. A Johnstone, Sir John Somerville, Sir W. Clive, E. B. Langston, J. H. Stewart, P. M. Cobden, Richard Langton, W. G ore T al b ot, C. R. M. Colebrooke, Sir T. Lemon, Sir C. Tancred, Hoary Colquhoun, J. C. Long, W a lt er 'Thompson, Ald W . Dalmeny, Lord Lowther, John H. Tufnell, Henry Dalrymple, Captain Lowther, Colonel Turner, E. D'Eyncourt, C. I'. Macaulay, T. B. Villiers, Charles P. Duncan, Lord M . Taggart, J. Vivian, J. H. Duncan, George Mangles,: lt, U; Wakley, Thomas Dundas, J. C. Martin, John Walker R. Easthope, John Mi cca lf e, Henry Yoke, R. IL Elphinstone, Howard :Mitchell, T. A. TELLERS. eilden, W. Morris, ,David Ward, H. G. Forester, Hon. C. W Mundy, E. M. Entwisle, William DOG-STEALING COMMITTEE. Motion made,•and Question put, " That Mr. Liddell be one of the Members of the Select Committee on Dog-Stealing :" The House divided : MAJORITY—AYES, 3.5. Baring, Hon W. B Jermyn, Lard Smith, T. B. C. Benunck. Lcrd G Knight, F. Winn Stanley, Lord Blackburne,J.ireland Lennox, Lord A. Stuart, H. Buller, !Sir J. Yarde Lincoln, Earl of Sutton, Hon. H. M Clayton, R. R. Lockhart, W illiam Thesiger, F. Clerk, Sir George M'Neill, Duncan Trench, Sir F. Capps, W. Marsham, °Viscount Waddington, H. S. Fremantle, Sir T. Martin, C. W Wakley, Thomas Goulburn, Henry O'Connell, M. J. Young, John Graham, Sir James Peel, J o n athan Greene, 'l'. Power, James Hale, Robert B. Pringl e , A. TELLERS. Herbert, Hon. S. Rushb roo k e, Colonel Dougla s, Sir C. E. MINORITY -NOES, 8. Archbold, Robert Hussey, Ambrose Brotherton, J. Palmerston, Vis. Escott, Bickham Seymour, Lord • Hawes, B. Wawn, John T. TELLER s. Elowick, Viscount Labouchere, H. SIGHT AND HEARING TESTIMONIALS. 39, ALBEMARLE-STREET, - PICCADILLY. General Browne Clayton feels desirous to express the comfort and advantage he has derived at his advanced age of 70 years and after two y ears ' tr i a l , f rom the use of Messrs. S. and B. Solomons newly invented Spectacles. Their valuable inventions fully merit the patronage they have received. Address, Adlington-hall, Lancashire. Major-General Sir Howard Elphinstone begs to say that the Spectacles' he has now had some time - in use, have fully. redeemed the assurance of .the Messrs. S. and B. Solomons as to their excellence, and having found so much comfort and advantage from their use, far prefer able to every other kind of glasses. 13, Norfolk-street, Park- lane.—The Hon. George Cavendish, to Messrs. S and B. Solomons, 39, Albemarle -street, Piccadilly, op posite the York Hotel. Gentlemen, .I approve wry much of the Spectacles I purchased from you ; I have made use of glasses for many years, and never met with any to enable me to see equal to yours, and with less ineou- Venience to my eyes, Yours obediently, G. Cavendish Leixlip Castle; Ireland.--Llmproved Achromatic Teles copes, Opera Glasses, Microscopes, &o„ of the same kind of lenses, to surpass - any ever yet invented.---The Messrs. S. and B. Solomons' Invincible Operator Voice Conductor, Sound Magnifiers for deaf persons, give im mediate relief to old . standing eNtronie cases of deaf ness,---Caution. Messrs. S. Alld Solomons, Opticians and Aurists, are not in a,ny way connected with a person of the same name in their immediate neighbourhood. Nor in any part of the country. To prevent mistakes, he cautious and observe—onit to be had -at 39, Albe marle-street, Piccadilly, opposite the York Hotel. WILSON'S SCOTTASU ENTERTAINMENTS.--'These de lightful and intc.roting entertainments are drawing to a Close for the season, for we perceive that Mr. 'Wilson has ;announeed next Monday as hia last evening in the Music-hall, Store -street, and next Wednesday as h last morning in the Hanover-square Rooms. la no small tribute to the Went of Mr. Wilson, that, notwithstand -ing the unmertais imitators that his unparalleled succeQ has called forth, he alone has kept his ground, while glQy have all dwindled off by degrees. On Wednesday he gave his entertainment entitled "acobite Relics," in the Hanover-square Rooms, whAch were, as usual, graced with the elite of the fashionable world, amc , ,ng whom we ob served the Gallant Yetep,o, Sir G. Murrayiwho seemed to enjoy aina*.gly the, Minstrel's discoursing of the sena 0, r,if, 0 J aco bit es . N ext Monday will be a grca t i nighl at Store-street, for, besides its being the. 4;anclu,Png night of the season, Wilson has cc .;,ted '-any of i the favourite songs he :has re,n4“rd poputhr, and alan the Fa DiaVolo, which ho was wont celebrated ,se9i . f 34 4 ,1 to'ina4 ';(1 effective on another arena We perceive that ValsOn 'is to be present at the apProltching_Burns' Fes , .tivEil en " the Banks o' the Door)." rt would scarce be complete bin?, seeing that- he has dove• more to k9M4i. Am§ familiak% lOU to. 9- ' pars; tlltn . any gr - 4 43 ever _outeern to, take a , Wier. He is about ActlSSlttaiialairA. ne will, no doubt, be hailed A- • _ , , • salmon, weighing 42 lbs., and 4 feet in length, was caught in the Severn last week, by Mr Trotman, of Oldbury. ADVERTISEMBNT.—A Miat's HAND SMASHED By MACIIINERV CURED BY .lloLLowAy's OINTMENT AND PlLLS.—James Watkin, an engineer, residing in C ast l e _ street, Borou g h; h a d hi s . hand and wrist broken by a, steam-engine,,was eight m o n th s at t h e hospital, where they proposed to amputate it, which the patient would not submit to. Several pieces of bone came away. be sides the formation of three n.l.)seesses on th e back of the as likewise th e hiVati. The wrist wa4 jot] feetly useless, elbow joint, w } :;tclx Lad become quite contracted. I n this doplorieble state he commenced the use of th ese ex traordinary medicines, whleh effected a perfect cure in about nine weeks, Sold at Professor Holloway's Esta blishment, $44, Strand (where advice may be had, gratis), and by almost all vendors of medicine through out the civilised ward, but with re' en done to -king classes ss caqiag es ' g4at inr had cone to prig tots wcit e r all the 1 the railsoll Meet the Go' bought t , , nt to P? s ri conclusion, to cast slitr 9 opposition te. the oppos i the dream' exceedingly f the session. eat that the committees of the rail, al with those nit that the re , 'd that welt lu heir pro ts ; for carrYl e ' ;ht no ono ! ! of it. Ths.t ) nable sPi rlt ideration for d b e e t coal is regarding it a Pow er t only as r e Then as t ° e would of Trade;;„ tha t 7 . :11 _TAE - SUNirl_4 opinion, anilesS he were provided With something fall beets on. It had been said that competing lines would be- no advantage to the , public, 'because they would be purchased up by existing lines ; but g , that was takin a one-sided view of the:case. Would not existing lines consider it better to humour the public, and to treat them in such :a, manner 'as to afford nb - occasion for com s that eting could lia only e s be e e teti by the d If competingev fi e l n sacrifice of profit, werepurchasedrot, and it would be a warning 'to, others. Some evidence was adduced to show that competitien would be of no advan tage to the public, and the Midland Counties - Railway was adduced as an instance. When that line and the Derby and Birmingham line wei.e competing, the fares were greatly reduced, and the public was a gainer ; and when they were united the fares were not raised higher than before ; so that the public had gained something, and lost nothing. There was one solitary case, that of the Manchester and Leeds and the Chester and Crewe Railway, and that Was the only case in which it had been shown that minis petition had been of no benefit. But even in that ease the fares had not been raised above what they had been originally. If they did nothing else-to regnlate railways he besought them not to do anything to diminish-,the, value of competition. One of the warmest supporters of the measure was the Hon. and Gallant Member for Lin coln. Ile confessed that he hated railways, and thought this measure would snub the m , a n d keep them in order. Another Honourable Member supported the measure becanse he thought the Railway Com panies were overbearing, and he was glad to keep them down. What would this Bill de? With .the existing companies it would do nothing with the railways that. were to be formed it would not deal for fifteen years. Their great nephews and great grand children might benefit by the Bill, but for the present it would be' totally inoperative. sit was said it would bea great benefit to the lower orders, because they would be carried at a diminished rate of charge. Now all that the Bill required was, that a train should start once in the day, carrying persons for a sum not exceeding :Id. per mile, at a rate of at least twelve miles an hour. in covered carriages. Now, the rate -at which all the existing railway companies carried persons at present was Id. and 15-100 tbs of Id. a mile, and the average was only brought up to that rate because some of the com panies charged very high for their third-class passengers. A great many of them carried their passengers at less than ld. a mile., The South-Eastern ( the Dover) Hite* carried third-class passengers at the rate of id. a mile. -The - Newcastle and Shields at the rate of d. per mile. The Edinburgh and Glasgow at the rate of id. per mile. The Midland Coneties ran third-class trains twice a day at the rate of 4d, a mile. He took these statements, from the speech -of the Hon. Member for Greenock, who -had made a speech on one'side of the question and in• tended to vote on the other. All the advantage they would ,get' by this measure was, that they would secure covered carriages for third-class passengers; and he asked the House whether it was worth while to sanction the objectionable principles of this Bill for this small ad vantage? There were four or five railways in which there were no third-class carriages, and so far as they were - concerned ofcourse th e Bill would be an advantage. He thought that if any measure were required for, the regulation of railways this was a small and inefficient measure for that purpose. He asked those who wished for. a measure for regulating railways if they would accept such a half measure as this? Though small, it Was the first-born, and might inherit to the - detriment of its betters, if it were not smothered in its birth. Sir ROBERT-PEEL regretted to see, that such ads -rental-St had been' taken of the good nature of the Hon. :CVntlearati--e(A.lllaugh)---and when he saw all the railway proprietors, and persons connected with rail ways, supporting this motion, and showing themielves so ready to avail themselves of it, he could' not help feeling that advantage' had been taken of th e i ngenuous ,. ness of the Hon..Gentleman.--(A laugh.) He feared that ingenuousness had been abused—that that modesty had been taken advantage of.—(A la ug h.) Th e H on. Gentleman wasmost ingenuous— . Ingenuisvultus puer, ineenuique,pudoris." The railway companies gladly availed themselves of 'the motion of the Hon. Gentleman. The Hon. Gentleman said- that her Majesty's Government were in the habit of attacking these :railway companies, and so sensitive had the Hon. Gentleman become, that he had absolutely attacked him (Sir Robert Peel) for having been guilty of personality, because, in the debate on the Bank Charter -Bill, he had said that certain Members had ab solutely had an eye to non-convertibility,---(A laugh.) Now, if that could be 'considered a gross per sonal' reflection, he certainly must say that he had never charged 'the Hon. Gentleman with having an eye to non - convertibility.—(Laughter.) He had certainly said that the argument tended - to non-convertibility ; but he certainly could not understand why, night after night, the reflection was cast upon the Government that they had been guilty of a gross violation of Parliament- - ary decorum, because he had charged the Hon. Gentle man and the Hon. Member for Lambeth with having, in their argument on the Bank Charter Bill, had an eye to non-covertibility.—(Laughter.) • Mr. HAWES—I never charged you with a breach of Parliamentary decorum. Sir ROBERT PEEL had not heard the Hon. Member for Lambeth complain that he had exceeded the bounds of Parliamentary decorum. The Hon. Gentleman 'who had last spOken had grleyously . complained that his Right Hon.. Friend had maie t a brilliant speech. The Board of Trade, according to the Hon. Gentleman, ought , to deal in arithmetic and statistics, and had nothing to do with •brilliancy and rhetoric. Now, really; it Was too bad of the Hon. Gentleman to make this complaint . of his Right Hon. Friend, when the Hon. Gentleman him self had taken the opportunity of making a most brilliant and a witty speech on the -subject.--(flear, hear.) He should be very sorry if, in giving his vote for this Bill, he should be considered as intending to cast the slightest reflection on the manner in which the existing railroad companies had been formed and . were conducted. He thought it, under the circumstances, a proud thing for this country that the existing railroads . had been completed by private interest and private ,capital. And So far as the present superintendence of railways went, those who had the conducting of that superinten dence were entitled to the greatest credit for the uniform civility which was exhibited by the companies towards the public, through all their subordinate agents, who, without any view to a personal or pecuniary gain, were equally attentive and kind to all cases,' -whether rich or poor, and that to a degree which did not exist in any other department of the public service. •He hoped - that this attention to the wants of individuals, without seeking for ,any personal or pecu niary advantage, would still •be continued. It Was im possible to over -rate the benefits which had been con ferred on the public by these regulations. Therefore. in voting for this Bill he begged to be considered as wish ing to. speak of the railway companies with the greatest respect. The question was, if' they were not arrived at a period of railway legislation -.when .it was absblutely necessary Parliament should take some cognizance of the subject. The Hon. Member objected th a t dry did not go. far enough, but the obj ec t ion, unt i l the lion. Gentleman had spoken, had been that the Bill went too far, and that it was monstrous to introduce at soilate a period of the session a Bill so calculated to lexcite anxiety in alt parti es connec t e d with railroads thkough out the country. Mr. GISBORNE did not wish them to interfere at all. Sir R. PEEL—Perhaps so - but if they interfered. he said they did n o t go far enough.l Now suppose they had proposed to go much further, although they might have the support-of the Hon. Gentleman's vote— Mr. GISBORNE—No, no. Sir R. PEEL—They -would - have then to encounter, without securing the Hon. Gentleman's vote, a much greater weight of opposition than they had, at present. The Hon. Gentleman proposed to abandon all legisla tion, and to leave everything to competition. Now what chance would they'have of establishing a competing line to the Manchester and Liverpool line? An attempt had been made to establish the Trent Railway, and he hoped that Bill would now pass. It was introduced now under the 'auspices of two companies, who,- during two ses sions, had opposed it, and the attempt to establish this line of forty miles in extent had cost 166,000/. So difficult was it to bvercome the union of railway inte rests in the House of Commons. The Hon. Member for Durham had complained that hebad called the railway companies monopolies. Now, with regard to the London and Birmingham R a il way , that certainly was a mono poly as against posting—it was a monopoly as against stage-coaches—and it was a decided monopoly as far as railways were concerned. Now, considering the power of railway proprietors in that House, competition was not sufficient to control these monopolies ; and when they considered that within the course of the present and the next session of Parliament, application would probably be made to complete one thousand additional lines of railway. H e th oug h t t h e time had come for legislation on the subject. Under these circumstances he thought it advantageous for the public interests that Parliament should take some precaution, and he should, therefore, give his vote for the Bill of his Hon. Friend. He was not prepared to advise the immediate. , purchase of those railroads. He did" not wish that any department of the Government should ,be converted into a railway directory. That was not the object of the Bill, but the object of it was to prevent the public from being subjected to imposition. It was known that a great rainkber of new railways -were PYRieeted s • and ahqut to receive flip sanction of the Legislature. In each of thon. new and very extensive power were given in tahing Igna,, &e n and what the Government wished to do was to give notice to these parties, that after the lapse of a cer tain time it would be eonlpetent, for Parliament to deal with them. The Bill proposed, that after the lapse of fifteen years it would be competent for Parliament to consider the powers now about to be conferred,. and to make other alterations which would be required for the public interests.' They dealt with railroads on the same_ principle as they dealt with the Bank of England, The' Legislature conferred on that Bank a qualified mono. polyl not permanent, however, but it was reserved for Parliament, after a lapse of twenty years, to make what' new - terms it pleased.—(Hear, hear.) He took the same course with respect to the East India Company. The Government in these cases did not give a permanent tenure of afftliority,--tlipre was - a 4)4 in respect tR duration, and there was a power reserVeoforPariiatnent to reconsider the provisions efsqch mattera..Therealquestion • was, would they permit . a certain number of new este blishments to become permanent and. unqualified mono, polies, or give Parliament the privilege.ot reeonsidering these powers? If the Government was to say that the Bill-should only - last for 15 years, it would extinguish all, speculation. To reserve to Parliament the power Of reuonsiderine- all contracts would have the same effect. rituirsiicehd,i'sviohltht e theuiel3d(ll was needed, t ha l' Vwtth il° t hr h e e r sa l n Y4 : tion of Parliament, the power of PurChastng these esta blishments, taking, as the amount of purchase, 25 years' in point of time, R 44 three years' averar of the divi-" sible profits. 1 4 case the profits em eclat lo per the Bill claimed a Omer bf iikeeribl,en4-on 'part Of - the public, and would have a right' to deminet-a—redue (ion of flips ! If pie principle of lefislative f I