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LW 1) ER Li L Ptlll. L I/Lll EN T. HOUSE OF PEERS. FRIDAY, DEC. 2. ME claims respening the Barony of Zouch were ordered to be taken into consideration the first Tuesd,iy'iti'Fi.bruary. . The Duke of MIR FOLK gave notice of his inten ,tion, to propose some measure fur Abe Relief of Varochial.Ciergy in the case of arrests. His Grace said, he i &liould probably 'bring forward the subjefi %Olen the BM now before the Commons came before that House.—Adjourned to Monday. HOUSE OF COMMONS. • FRIDAY, D.fiCi Z. Art 'account of the amount of Nores of the Bank , of England in circulation,'distinguishing those-be low 51. was preiented and ordered to lie on the Table and to be printed. • - "A' The Curates' Bill , was read a lecand.time, corn milted 'pro forma, the blanks filled up, and the re-• port received, -tylrich was ordered to be - taken , • into further ednsitteration on Wednesday, and. to, 'be printed. Mr. Ho B}lol/Se brought. up the' Report of ..the Stamen's Desertion Rill, which was read and ag ree d' t•!, ansi the Lill o:dered cc) he read a third time on' t:ntlay. RF.T.IEF OF CURATES. The CHANCELL6a of thf; EXCtibiQUER moved the Order of the Day for the }louse goi n g i nto a C•:mtnittee to consider of granting a temporary ,111 lief to Curates who might he .deprived of their ' Curti by the operation of the Clergy Residence ' • ..C;r . ROB' 430 1 BUXTON. said, when he con. itlet . 04 the great difficulties wider which the Cbuntry I:Jinni - id, ,Hoped the greatest attention would be r. 4,1 to the expenditure of public money. At the • 'l.4ne time that he felt the grcar weight of taxation, • tiid•not cbttplain of it as such, but he complained' 14 it when•the public money was appropriated td purposes niit immediately necessary. 'flic Clergy had lately. raised - their Revenues. very much, and might afford the compensation themselves. The CH4NCEILOR r •o . / the EXCHEQUER said, he wished the Housetto underatand precisely the °hie& of the Motion. •tyas neither more nor less than to do that which was adopted by the .1 -louse Ses:lit, without a dissentient. voice, and. which %vzis only prevented from being carried into circa by a point of, fOrta. When the Clergy Residence -Bill .. was underdis e n i sion last Session, it was stated that it would rin its s efreds bear, bard:upon a certain tie. icription of persons, some of whom, in indigenL cireornitances, would-be-deprived of- their Cures, upon the profits of which they depended for the sup.. p, I themselves and their families: . It was not s make a 'full compensations but merely' t t. Apt. a temnf)rary rcitef to those Qurates who to e*treme indigence by the loss of their Cures, The cinsitirraiiuos stuted by the ,aigq,,,,,D4j44,s.,t ir o t iglit hot to star 4 .l iri the way, of.lhe generosity, or 1 Might say, of the justice of the 11ous , !, patticrtiatly aS sum to be appropriated ot for exceed 8oao!. The proposed measure 1, 3 ,1 fece iLi et i the unit:l)4low-, approhation of the . last" Session, ,and•he trusted there would ,t),? .9 t() it now. tw , Motion fur the SPEAKRICS featittig the was then put and carried, And site House It;vving resolved itst if to to :t Committee, The CHANcELLOR of Or. EXCHFQUER moved Lum -. 90r ex6ec.di'ng 8001. be A pprop r ia te d' for thee" relief of such Curates as might be depriVed o f . their Cures, in consequtiree of the resi4enee of Itic,,oirthertttt, under the Clergy Reiderice Bill. This Nj,,rion wag agrecd to without opposition, • .it' ,i thc havit% resunied, the lteport. was ti,:ted to hc, rrceiweti to.rnorrow. Tikt. Bill was rcad' a second time, aod conimitied.forlo.iorrow. WAYS .i.NI) MEANS. , , . The Howie' liorfrig rcrilircd itseli into a Com— initree of Waya and- , Mcans, Regolutiont , were visited on the Motion of the citANCt LIM 1 . 0 the ExcliEVlatt, to continue th e tin Malt , ~Itori, Cyder, and Perry, from the . June IS d 4., CO the 14th June 1805-; toicon riiine :Ditty of, 4 , i. in the Pound, on Penaons, and•Pergoror Er.t.ttei,•from the 2.4. th March to the 24 , 11 Maith 1805; and also 'tti con. iiiin,7ilit•paties on Sugar, '.fobacco, &c. from and an t e l ori;)41. , , , • C . II .lAre EL LOR - of the EXCHEQUER in .61 wh'ch he bad given notice an issue of Exchequer' Bills, said, he, had batisladion to 'state, that if it .tias the'pleasure of,the Cotrnittee' to pass the present .I\lotion, it , Wo'tdd i,e the only Financial 'measure except those a,;ready voted; that he should have to bring for.ivard an advanced period of-the Session. .tit, -. .• ,, a150 s7tisfa6tion to-state, that. there were no ta on'tsnding Exdirquer Bihis ol•the issue of the year. rqoz, att that were outstanding being the 'alt. present ycar. If the present Motioh would not follow,. that so. Much w(nild he aided to our.bileans, as, in, consequence t;t' rut - Ate passed 'last -Session,- Exehequet-Bills to ?lir :Manila ,of 4,500,c5001. remained to he paid ofE, it wa3 not only the inelinatior,,of .Gniernment to 11,iy 06:, but it* was neces,ary. to issue new of this eagerness of persons to vem 'their Itvntey ,in, that (le.scription of property. 11 be k ie vett that the' whole of the sum moved' for ,00t be wanied until near the peilod be h a d Thentiont-a. L e corcitt.led hy moving that the stub P:S,QOQ,OCC)r.. he L y .L u ii,cd by, tar' Exchequer .( - • , his i\ipitori was- Agreed to; and the House r t .A.ur t ied, the Report vvas ordered to he re: eeived tn-morrow,. anti the. Committee to`sit again on Montioy, ARNy ESTIMATES. Stck crAav at Wart brought up the Army E,rimatea, ere ordered to lieon the Table. Th- ECt ETA it then gav_e notice that be should 1110YC theat on Friday ne?tt. IRELAND. • • I ?Jr. SecretaryYO#KE rose, pursuant to ill nn: rice be * * given,' to;inOve to continue .ttito Aas, the bne.for suspending,she HabriaS Corpus, and ile other for suppressing ttebellicip in Ireland, It was with considerable pain, he said;" that he felt the necessity in the present Sessions of proposing to continue those Aets, which necessarily tended in a certain degree to abridge the liherty of the sullen but the circumstances 'of the times rendered such measures absolutely 'necessary. It was the mil. fortune of the times in which we wereolestined to live, that we were not permitted to enjoy our lives, our: liberties, or our 'possessions, without -being daily called upon . to sactifice some part of ()appro. perty in order.to preser'Ve the remainder, to 'saeri. five the best blood of the' Country in the support of the contest in which we were eogaged, and so abridge our liberties 'in order to preserve the exist, enee ollibery itself. Xhis, however, was no more than our ancestors were compelled to do, with this difference, that 'With them the necessity occurred .but seldom, ‘'v.hiteas at the present period it re. curred frequently... The Aas which it was pro. posed to continue, passed towards the conclusion .of last Session, in consequence of a communication froM His 'Majesty, that . an InsUrredion had broken 'out in the city of Dublin. The House very properly passed those MAI; without any hesitation ; when passed, they gave confidence to the loyal inhabi. tants of Ireland, and enabled them to suppress the Rebellion with celerity. The particular circum stances which gave rise to and accompanied-that most unhappy transaction, had now been developed by i the ! trials of several of the leaders and their adherents, be., 'foreihe ordinary Courts of Judicature, and according to the ordinary forms of law.. The proceedings had been - publisissd, and he believed he might venture to refer the House to these proeeclings for informa tion whereon to found their judgment as to the sea. title and extent of the Conspiracy. Exclusive of; the information contained in these trials, His Ma. jesty's Government were in possession of other knowledge upon the suhjeut, which it would not be proper in him to state., lie might however be per mitted to 'state, that notwithstanding the declara tion of one of them, be had every reason to believe that the Leaders of that Insurtedion were conneeled with persons residing in" Franc e: and those persons, -traitors, immediately connected with' the French Government, if the Conspirators were 'not imme. diately connected with it themselves. It was 'also clear 'thst some of. those who were in France, came 'over to Iceland for the purpose of exciting Rebel. lion, and that they' calculated upon the renewal of : the War, as the Means of renewing Rebellioh. It was also clear that the great object of the French Goiernment was to foster and increase Treason and Rebellion in Ireland, with a view of distrading and dividing the British Empire w and finally leading to the `subversion of the Country. W.lll respect' to the events of the 23tl of July, the details were he. fsire the Public, Old it was not necessary to enlarge upon them. He would only say, that. putting the history of the traritiadion together; there never ex isted a Treason motefoul, an.losurreelion more un provoked, Leaders more contemptible, tions mote atrocious, or crimes More horrible.--. What followed was extremely well known nsostof the ,Leaders had been brought to justice" before the ordinary triliunals; which these 'miscreants wished to "put an end to, to destroy, and ,extertni6te, as evidently appeared by their harrifsle asiassina 'Hun of - One of the brlghtest, ornaments of those Tri. 'burials. In mentioning this itibjeet, 'lie hoped his Right Hart. Friend (the Cumstaitt•Lott ,Of rite Ex- CStriQtrelt) would soon have, it in command f t ioin 1-14 Majesty to lay the situatioo• of the Fatuity Of, llte Noble Lord to whom be had alluded (Kt t.wmt. Dett),before the House.., Referring to this sulsjett, he trusted there would be - no objection to renew those Measures which gave so much satisfaetien at, the time, and particularly so, ,as 'in their execution there was only one solitary instance ,ofatty one being tried brMartial Law. He thought it was untieces. sary to ; go at length into the sulijed ; he calk(' for extraordinary measures, because they were, demanded byextradrdinary eircumstances,particulady consider ing the state of rreldhi after experiencing stormy and tempests, and knowing the.designs of France. The British EMpire, single-handed., was more than a march for France, and therefote it was the object of that Power- to divide ottr.ressturces by her machina. (ions in Ireland. He was persuaded it' was the with of the House to adopt every necessary- measure against both - our Foreign and Domestic Enemies.--- With reSpeet to 'the latter, :lie was happy to say there were but few remaining in- 'Great Britain ; he regretted - that there were 'more - In Ireland, but he believed they were not sir numerous as helots ! . Be their numbers, however, what they might, he was too well 'acquainted h , itli the House to suppOse that they would ever compromise with Treason, or that they would suffer those to arm themselves with the armour of the law, whilst they were secret. ly attacking us with the weapons of assassination.He ebncluded by mhving , for leave to bring in-a. Bill to continue the Habeas Corpus Suspension Aft in Ireland. HUTCHINSON said, be took this oppor. tunitrof expressing his entire apprOhation of the humanity,. the troyeiate and 'firm conduCt of the Irish Gavernment during , the. late Rebellion. He cUmptained of hiChaving been charged at that period in the Irish Piii4ers,,. with throwing obstacicslin the way of Government, aca crisis when the support of every one was demAnded., •He lamented much that Flis Majesty's Miniuer . should come .down tp propose the continuance of such rheasures; but as they had stated the necessity of them, he would give, the proposition his support. As lung, how. evere . as Ministers• refrained from bringing f ur ., ward the state of Ireland from day to day, frotn week to week, from Mouth to month, and from year to year, until some system wed for Med vith resped to that Country, he should not think that they had done their duty to their Country. H e Ai d not know what was meant by present circumstances, but if it mieaw. thie ppsrponetnent of the questi on respetting the state of treland until after the War, he hoped thd ougnanimity of the I louse ik ou i t i fuse.to comply with such a proposition. The W ar in which we were engaged would probably end i n the ruin of one'Cuuntry or the other, and would they not avail themselves of every part of our strength to artnseort the contest ? qeeerai LOFt'Uts said a few words in appeesba_ tioCOf the Notion. Mr. 11 11ORN rose to give his assent to the Motion before the House, because under the circum stances of the times, he conceived it necessary to arm the Government with sufficient sowers to check the designs. of. ..the.adisa ff e he..maanct ..in which Ministers lied used the power which was en ' trusted in their hands last Session, proved that they were worthy o f the confitienCe which had been reposed in them ; 'he therefore could'see no objec tion to the renewal of those powers. He was sure, • that if Gentler:fen would recoiled the manner in which the Rebellion broke out, and 'the circum. stances which attended it, they would agree with him in praising the mildness and moderation which had been manifested by Government ; their objeift seemed to be to bury. in oblivion all the transaftiohs of the former Rebellion, and bring baclethe People to a sense of their:duty by conciliation." *Yet the, very time that Government was pursuing ibis sys tem, was laid hold of by Traitors for the. purpose of renewing the Rebellion. He had always entertained one uniform opinion respecting the system adopted by this Country towards Ireland ; but still he should consider all attempts to introduce a discussion at present upon *that great question, which had been. alluded to, as pregnant with the most dangerous consequences; ahough at the same time he was con. vinced Of. the ,necessity of the adoption of some mea. sures respeding that Country. Lord TEMPLE said he should certainly vote for the Motion, as he should for the Bill when it was brought in. He supported it because he was con vinced of the necessity of the measure, and becabse. the Right Hon, Gentle man h a d ass.-rted, that the spirit of Rebellion still existed. With regard to. what had fallen, from the Hon. Gentleman who spoke last, who seemed to: think this was not a proper time to discussunyquestions respeding the Consti. tution of Ireland, he begged leave to remark, 'that it was in a - period of war, and of danger . equal to the present.; that the At of Union was passed, Lord ARCHIBALD HAMIL7ON said, he! could not agree with those who thought that this was not the time to discuss the .State of Ireland; no man could took at the state In which‘ the Capital of that Country noW was and had been for some time, and say, that some measurOought not to be SclisPted eiredually to restore tranquillity to that Country. The HOuse had not been told whether Ministers .lied•anr plan to propose .for that purpose. He did not wish to oppose any measure which Ministers might think •necessary for 'the present security of Ireland ; on the• contrary, he wished that all persons should unite to streogthen Government, He, how ever, could not think that letting matters go on in the present train could be produdive of any good consequenees.—liefore he sat down ; he. wished to ask Ministess, whether they had any measure in contemplation for the purpose Of of edually restoring tranquillity to Ireland.?' Mr. BURROUGHS desiratoknow which of the Bills the question , before the House related to: The SPEAKER stated, that the question' was upon the Habeas Crirpus Suspension Bill. 111 r. BURROUGHS said, he certainty should give his vote for the continuance of that Bill; but with rregard to the- other Bill for the Suppression of Re bellion, _he belied that some time.,wotild be given before it was brought forwerd. He certainly did • mast highly disapprove of the System of Go.verni ment that was formerly adoptatt.iiclteland, but at the same tiMe he was firmly convinced, that a better G tvertunent than the present Government of Ire. land never did exist. Ifit should unfortunately appear that the other. Bill was .necessary for the se curity. of Ireland, still he saw no objedion' to its being deferred to a• more advanced period of the Session. One' of /the strongest-reasons which in. ''cloud him to think' so favou'rabl'y• of the present .Government of,lretend, was,. because they did not use, the power which was en truste d to t h em, and that they tried, the prisoners before the' ordinary Tribunals of the Country, and not by Courts tial. . His'greatwish'was, that conciliatory me,ins shnuld be tried, but at the same" time "the People .should know.that Parliament was disposed to invest Government with the most AmAe. power, if unfor tunately it should be necessary. Lord CASTLEREAGH saidi hewai inclined 'to hope that upon : eoesideration, the Hon . . Gcnt!einan who spoke last would not oppose the other Bill o f which his Right „Hop. 'friend had given notice. It by no means followed that because Ministers did not use the power which w as pl ace d i n their haris, that therefore tha'r pdwer was not necessary.', No• thing, in•his opittion, .could (10 ,the. Ministers more credit-than that they had tried-the.Prisoneri- by the old Laws, and before 'the establiihed•Tribunafs' of the Country but it .was perhaps' the power which thtiy possessed Which enabled, them, to. display that moderation. lie had-always boen of opinion 'that there was a great body of loyalty in Trtiandr and he was equally sure•that.thet .body had received 41 great augmentation • since the Rebellion in t 795. I his circumstance did amake it wise and prudent in MiniSiers t 4 haVilicourse tTithe — iainary Cirurts of Justice, because there was then no system ofTerror prevailing in Ireland ,to prevent the administration of justice.' 'But this was only aistrongetinduce. mene to the House. to trust persons with Powet who had shewn that they were not inclined to abuse . it. It was Always wise in Government aoadopt 'a pre ventive system rather than to wait till the evil happened, and . he was firmly convinced that the energy which was displayed by Parliament last ' Session, was the cause *of the Rebellion being, So speedily pits down. Whatever remains of Rebel_ Linn tfrete. was in Ireland; there Could be no doubt but that the personl.concertted in it would anxious. ly watch for an opportunity of again fomenting it; and therefore it was the greatest ad of kindness which Government could.shew to those unfortunate people to'prevent their being again deluded to their deatrudion. Upon all these grounds, be was in. dined to .hope that the 'Hon.•Gentleman would not feel himself justified in opposing the other Bill. Leave was then given to_bring iti -the Bill. Mr. Secretary YORKE' then 'Moved for leave so bring in.a Ain to continue the. M of tact' ession tat the Supprosbiori of Rebeilioh in Ireland. ~r '~R Mr. 811 RROUGM said, he did not rise to QOM the Bill trot, any want. of con fi dence either' .4 0 Government of England or Ireland,. but he lei of no confidence which would justifk so 'pea 11 violation of the Constitution as that which war ve proposed, without the most urgent necessityofic would not consent to suspend the CinstitutkVfrog any confidence in any Ministers, howeverk might ' 'admire— them. - Upon • the -former-- emetic's" whet this Bill was passed, there was a Rebellion uaoally existing in Ireland, or there was Parliamentary groundlaid before the House to induce them tc pass it ; .but that was not the case in the present instance. • Ilthere Was now a Rebellion in Ireland, he would not oppose the Bill ;• if it appeared that Jurors and Witnesses could not eafely, discharge their duties,. he would not oppose it; but that Ws not the We at present. .He therefore could not see any reason for passing the Bill, but atoll events he thought it should riot be hurried in its progress, but that it should be delayed until there was a fuller attendance of Irish Members. Mr. CORRY said, he would only trouble ale Htiuse with a few words. The flOn. Gentler - 0o who spoke last had began with stating, that on all • forrner,occasions when .this, Bill passed, there tvas either a Rebellion existing in Ireland, or else Oleic was evidence laid before ?ornament to induce thent to pass the Bill. He begged the Hon.' Gentlemee to look back to the year jBor (when he believed • the Hon. Gentleman tia'S not in this 4}art of the world.) He would there find that a similar as Was passed, not once but twice iti the same Sessions although there was no Rebellion then existing in Irilund. The Hon. Gentie_m In was perbom 09r acquainted with the progress of the Rebellion in Ireland. There was first a close dark c onspiracy Pelialiill.ettiosi parts of Ireland, which first tiii priyed itself in daring outrages, and at la st broke out in open Rebellion. If .the Honourable Gentle,. 01.111 h3A then been in Ireland lie would have know n Rarlianicut long .endeavotired to rrsu e and overtake•the proceedings of the Consfdrators, which they were not able to do until they passed a Bill similar to that which was now moved for, By tile adoption of thOt measure the Crinstitti . tiqn of d Country was preserved, 40,1 fiat T lOlity was for a long—itate..restored... , , -1:134-1 - 10: , ,• G c fide man -said, JiTath did not now perceivz. 11:1F,, , :It ratks om it .I'Vi messes and juJurorsthat..wer: formerly inade,,ita • he begged, leave- to tell ' the Hon. Gentleman, 4 0 - unlit in Act . similar to the present lViaSl passed, thoe, i i n e s a a t: d t e he ti t l l o e oy s C s a tl:i:s t r li t i s o l i s: i i ' t t i a 1 L l t t h s a e w c fi l ,4 i re' h clOulao:l24ll.lc.cs.l -Hee iilyidsbhepugrtegavcgadial Gentleman was taking sr very .• , • A the 6 " . ~, .1 narrow vti A• ( , v as jet}, if heeons idi 'Led' the ' s - ra re of it was on theca December,. .., , 1 101) . 1 8 0 3, won -ta Jo) to its situation for several years back . .. ll ' T . ,', 141 ' L''' look at the xs hole progress of the Reb'''''l''',„ in Country, that Country, the arts that . had been usetl I" ' el '''': t it, and the means that had been adopted t ' s' ) VP'l Ireland merely. could it , s ht would then find t h a t o,.;ts was the g ri:i° 1 1: , effit.ient Measure .which had restored peace t 0 toP regular course. It 'was true that thls trie,oure would in some degree deprive the stibjeCt of his and had enabled the I.lws to re,imie their legal right s ; u ,,d on v e d! ) , if WOUILI, and nobi:dy' part of t h e t 1 ) 4 1) he did„ but if the Hon. Ge.rirleman would con sider t h e subjeit in a o o ther point 01 view, be lam , - , -ot the necessi t y of stle!l 3 me.isurc mom it w as * not against t he lo y al would prceive that communit t h a t this Bill wo uld o p erittri y but only aga i nst those who were en deavouring tto subtert th e C o ns t itution of their ' Country, and t o deprive it of its dearest rights. . „ Mr. 'Bvitttouivis and Mr. COatur sCverallY e 3l * .plained. ' A . Gentlem an h a d o pposed this Bill upo n two g rounds, the first o f which was, that it was not neCC.O3 Or. mr• J. C. BEREFORD said, that' the H i 4e be gged:leave to s a y , that from the knowletig! lc had of the state of Ireland, it was necessary, ;end 4 le was sore that if it wa s not passed, th e s a l against j urors an d Wi t nesses .system of Terror which had ktrinerly been pradi se (* i d ''). With respett to the other reason, "viz. Ilia! necessity there, were but few Irish Members present, he ha' 44tely come from that Country, and had had an t ral' Is)rtunitrof seeing above, three-fourths of the !s would again be resort. r '' l.-.mbe tb , who Were perfectly convinced: of ihm p i meni el' of the measure, and would 'mei!" if their absence 'l4ll msde a reason fug .nut ,l'a%siog the ,Bill: 'This was. not o n!? 1 , ? ! I ''f° 44ll " of the Irish .Members, but, of all ii!Y •, 1 4__, Q Y?1..Men, in that. COuntry. ' He w as happy to 41/184' from 'the late, Reheilion that the force of d i ! Retnis•hacho nipett decreased ; indeed, he was ._riff, et'n'inetd that there was not a man in Ireland,c of the small es t proierty, who'. was.not zealously l'e . 1 .3c 11 0, tpl,Gatrernertint. There was one thing ( I t ,Whk ll , l4 4/ii.aushot izeil to say, w hich. vial , ,!', 1 , 1. it- was the .urtiverlal 0.1 '‘ -I 11 the Rt'ls o "' Sects: in I 1 ' ' 1 u"n °t a .., t o WI ''''; • .t . C- 3 1 1 4 th:.t no rimistiOn ought na - „ (1 . ;' i ,' lkiliSS‘i wh . ' 1.. : ICO had the least :,tendency tq P r "" t :.:' '''-' Leay,elvas•then dissention.!. • . r given to bring in the Bill' la ve The question was then put and corried , fo r , to . bring in the :Rill: o . 'Me- sccrptary yu i t K. E brow ht nn the Bill invor; di '. -? dttty, w hir a way read a first timed a(' 3rtlat' to be red a second d time an' MOnday next. nil Mr. Mr. Secretary YORKI brought up al5O tl'e l , for .Funtinnint; •ferf a time' to be limited,'ll ic ' A rl c t IVlArtial Law Bill, which was likewke re act a 'r time, and ordered to be read a second titrie .5 0 i'll`'n day next. . BANk OF IRELAND. Mr. CORRY said, he had the .honour of 14 1 " ing ,notice of:,his inten'tion to move to-day for be 1619 to bring in a Bill to continue , f o r ' a time to 11 ' mited, the Mt which imposed . on the Ba nk of 'lt° land a : restriction from payment in cash, similar to that which had been imposed on the Bank of F:li4gi land. .Since that Restricti on . had been itylgu here, it had .been his duty to propo se it rt° 14 ci n tieued alsO in Ireland. When he had the honoa ° first propoifrg tha't meature, he had also the Will, faftion to be able to assure the House of the pelf" solidity of 'The Bank of Ireland. The Restriclimri', as - to payment in Cash had been thought 14",rfal ,to be imposed on the Bank of England, and it I ' 3 therefore, as a matter of course, been thought " c i eetary to • extend, the same policy.ta the Bank P. Ireland. No 'suspition Via entertatned of the i'