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o f itiv* ibt , ion; not: lld ; ice cat )11: • ss, !Ct td and favour, they Mist take into their ctihsidera tion what her Majesty's character was, and this must be expected - to - influende their - proceedings. He called upon them to look at what had been done in the case of the Duke of CUmberland. It was most unjust for the House to give him less than they gave to the other Members of the .1-tayal Family, if character was to stand for .nothing. It was true that the late Queen dis approved of his marriage, but this proved nothing against him, yet the House, acting on the uafa vourable impression created agaiii4t that indivi dual, had refused to put him in the same situation . in which the other Members of the Royal Fa lady had been placed. In his opinion enough' na(,.! been proved 'against the Queen, to make her i 4 t to be pointed out as a mark of grace and h l . y° "r• This was pressed.still more strongly on i by the public acts to w hi c h h er M a j esty, •the influence of bad advisers, had lent herself since her arrival in England, and by the auswers which she had given to the Addresses carved up to her, in which she had been made to revil e and endeavour to. throw discredit on. 1 11 the institutions of the country. To him it appeared that what had been done with respect to the Liturgy was perfectly legal, and he was rio t disposed now to call upon the Crown to alter it. air.'Wir.nraroacE had not had an oppor of expressing his sentiments on a former night, but they were in effect the same as those delivered by his Hon. and Learned Friend be -1-0,1 ;. and Wbatever there might he to regret la the case of the Queen, he saw nothing in the 'conduct of Rlinisters to call for condemnation ; 'tut, on the contrary, having a most difficult and de.licate sk to perform, having but a choice of .„" 1 , 1s ) l ega l ought their actions marked by mode ' ' at wu and integrity. If he were called to de- Irer te ruline on the legality or illegality of striking Majesty's nam e out of the Liturgy, he should Bay, this furnished a -new instance of the 416- riou:s uncertainty of law, 'heard s o much. of which they had all Though he much admired the i'lgenious and forcible argument of the Hon. and Learned Member for Oxford, yet when he came to hear what was urged on the other side, he bas -left i n d oubt ; and at last on that subject he d nO very firm opinion. It was true that it * w as a very different question, whether it had been n-lexpeclient.to strike it out in the first instance, and whether it would now be expedient that it should be put in again. Ile could not but c onsiderthat th e Q ueen had been very badly ad, l'ised; when she was led to adopt those senti ments a nd - declarations which. had been sent forth tfher nam e , an d which were so different from fi se compreh en d e d in the answer which she given to the Address of that House. Those °Pinions which she had subsequently expressed i w ere decid e d ly at variance with those which she ; a d avowed on the 'occasion to which he had al rb,uded, a n d were at,the ,same time, hostile to and versive of the Constit u ti on .o f t h e C ountry . 11 his the these wer e mos t unw i se l y taken,l,PlaS be co u ld not b ut consider them as equally ti"s Y " o uourable to her and injurio u s t o th e coun eni. I t . Was, h owever , b u t f a i r to say, i t was °T . this occasion that th e y oug ht t o b e punish i wondered th a t some o f th e l etters to jp et - :' f ie had referred had not become She sub: 4,,;°1 p r oecutiou_ when they appeared in the this ~t l ' Pers. But it was, not for that House on Slot co ea.:i.oll to take notice of' them, and he did , t ° bear , Th ' v ," that they ought at all to be a llowed - the present question. He was anxious th e tb , Mori,, brought forward as it had beCtri 'P tr it of. coei'iliation, should be carried.. of W as th • then , slruus of this, not so much an account .li kine erei ° e,ori as on account of the Country. e f r o fe lt that the exclusion of her Majesty's °f r ° the Liturgy exposed the_ great bulk 1 „, to the "'it meaning part of the community more etier,ri is hacks. of bad men, than they vvould vi se I, 3fl iOiSt be e xposed to them. He knew that .ceniarers.Sometimes took their stand upon a par, fu sed Point, and having made a declaration, re there t t o u "tnake it. But in his view- of the subject th e :' e ver was a questio n on which it was less ,r,,l,.t.errnltiYila(t).f Government to adhere to their, first th e i r • ion than it was in the present instance. Li tur ' inserting the name of the Queen in the sta nce g s Y was an act that would circum 7 t ensi the ramilications'of which would h e e x , tle„ tnvel he could, i n that case, understand w hy a p ear(n4 d , se th e i r stand. he-re; but to him it a n - Stor e 'd ' that when the Queen's name was re, mgr, 4 -` 4 th e People w i shed it to be, _there was hie as e to follow. This seems the more desire "hieli tit .Per haPs, th ere never vas a question on jrp th e co e most honest and well disposed persons Th e Q "trY entertained such different opinions. for as e ne ell being already. substantially prayed 3 ronoli t i n c e r " the Royal' Family," he thought it ts th e br , leave out her name - in the Liturgy, ".,145esii(),l'ie c onsidered that by the, omission her j"k til."?s i nsulted. The bulk of the_people Pray t f' S 144 , that at all events she ought to 6 4° r by name, as if she were site}, as n ne e d i h . 'ere 'i ' en represented to be, she - stood. the tip tf, at `` of being prayed for. He was anx '"'4l name should be-restored, that pole rac-Ps o f inr4 s 1 1- light no longer, be carried to -41;hei. mend worship - , where heretofore tied irie4intl better thoughts were indulged, and i n co uld enjoy 'a respite from - the low f reau °ter cOnsiderations which were but too If ' tt ent Y Pressed on their attention-elsewhere. pi e _ e _ b ,,arne were still excluded,' the peo- Th :n . °Oll Ri.,!.11 regard her. Majesty as insulted. %i as the - feeling the people would have, and I:os.t'os,°r.autlido.nbeofil, loinete.sAitt a e j n : s o t y's name t , o t that Liturgyn t h res t e nn not at first put an end to their political e xe . °- lents,. He . knew that for a time it would , :ldite tile lad passions of men, and that they. exult in the triumph gained ; but this W ould uld be hut for • short time, for those who ,r?? Id. feel thus were much of"Cliurcb goers. to jus measure, therefore, would be likely 'soar] t° be rPslore th at tranquillity which was so ranch . l i," be desired. Nor did he think that to restore ~u e name, under all the circumstances of the _s - - 4 : 3 -e, would be unpleasant to the King, who %%multi probably glory in sacrificing hip; oxen per: tonal f e ellngs to the peace and tranquillity of his - The interests of the Church Establith-- rnent, 'rom which the io - linti'y had derived so much benefit; and ,which, as the depository of religious truth, deserve - 4o much reverence and care, would be best consulted by Caking the courS'e which he had ventured to recommend, and he therefore trusted, that because it had been once adopted,• Ministers would not feel themselves trOund to adhere to the resolution they had come to when to depart from-it promised to confer such solid advantages to the country. He desired that no Gentleman should be led to suppose, that in voting for this resolution, he voted the Queen innocent. Let - them vote for it, not to confer a mark of respect on her, but tranquillize the coon• try by taking away one of its strongest causes of dissention. Fie thought the House ha,d never been more in Ila,nger of voting against the deli berately ,i expressed opinions of the people than on the present occasion. It was their duty to give way to the'pub tic voice, to descend to the level - of the people, and do that which accorded with their view of the case. On 6 of the things whichlie had been accus tomed most to admire in a great Minister now ho more, he meant Mr. Pitt, was the manner in which, on some occasions, lie would give up his ownopi nion, and adopt that of the people, (though he could have wished they bad thought differently,) when he could not get them to agree with him. Ile (Mr. Wilberforce) confessed, that to him it seemed fit that a Minister should thus give way in some instances to the. people, as it was necessary that a Minister. should possess the confidence of the people. Mr. Pitt considered this course to be necessary, to prevent well disposed men from be- qg made the dupes and the instruments of design ing agitators who were ready to take advantage of every thing to forward their own mischievous purposes. It was from this feeling that that great man consented to treat for peace, at a time when he would rather have proceeded more decidedly with the war. When he came to this determina- tion - he frankly avowed it, and immediately wrote to our Ambassadors abroad to apply themselves_ to ascertain if it were practicable to enter into a ne gociation for peace with France. • it was with, such a feeling for the opinions of the people that he (Mr. Wilberforce) came to.the decision which he had now announced, as if the, course. which he recommended were not taken, -when the : present proceedings were, he would not say forgotten but passed away, it might be matter of regret that a more conciliating line of conduct had not been pursued. The conduct of .hek Majesty he was free to say had not been proved. such as to entitle her to any mark of grace, or to any dignity. But he would not come to a vote of that description. But as the Country. wished for the restoration of the Queen's name to the Liturgy he vas disposed to gratify them, and doing this lie was of_opinion that they should. best consult the peace and well being of the. Country. • Mr. S.. WORTLEY having acted with the Hon. Member who had just sat down up to the present time was sorry to differ from him now. The lion. Gentleman wished to do that which was called for by the 'people, tho Ugh he did not agree with the people in any of their views. lie (Mr. S. Wortley) thought it his duty first =respectfully to consider the wishes and representations of his constituents, and then to come there and give that opinion which he had honestly formed for him self. He would' now state to the /louse, that he could not regard her Majesty as entitled to any mark of grace or favour, after what had taken place, lie agreed that a great body of the peo ple called for the restoration of her name to the Liturgy, but they did so under the erroneous impression that while denied this, she was ex cluded from that which she might _claim as a matter of right. If lie took this view of t!u sub ject, he would undoubtedly vote for the motion of the Honourable Gentleman. lle reprobated the language used in some of her Majesty's an swers, and in her letter to the King, as much as any Gentleman could do ; but itwas not for the House to notice them now. The ground on which he voted against . ' the motion was this, that her Majesty having most unwisely refused the mediation of that House, and hay ing declined to take any steps for terminating the differences which had existed, had put herself on her trial, and must in 'consequence take the chance of- the impression made by the facts disclosed in the course of that trial. If a doubt remained of her guilt, he would. say that facts were proved beyond all doubt of such a character as would prevent him from recommend ing her to any favour from the Crown.—(hear, hear, hear !)—This feelin9, - would regulate the vote he should give that night, and he believed that a vote of that kind would go far towards quieting' the nation.—(llear, hear, hear!)—lie would add, that he believed, in spite of all that had been said on the other side of the House, that the votes already come to on this subject had done much towards tranquillizing the nation. —(Hear, hear!)—ft- was known to those ‘‘ ho were in that House in 1812, that he had spoken very strongly on the subject of the differences in the Royal Family, and hat given it as his opi nion that much of the conduct pursued by her Majesty could not be justified. Much of what had since occurred he considered to have sprung from that conduct.—(hear, hear!)--What bad been recently disclosed he• would fain bury in oblivion. It might be so buried, if it-were not for these motions. Called on as. he was, to bold up the Queen to the respect of the country, he must-soy that there were circumstances in her conduct which made it his duty to give the motion a negative. Jr. MARTIN (of Galway) rose, amid cou,h ing, and cries of " question ;" and, for some time we were unable to catch the drift of his argu- meet. When we could collect the Hon. Meru her's words, we found him expressing his surprise that the Honourable Member for Bramber should be supporting a motion in the very teeth of that 6rith had himself come forward on a ormer occasion. The truth was, there rriust be a giving way ; and if the Queen, ho was.in the wrong, would not give way, then, thought the lionourable Aretpber for Bramber, the Crown, which is in the right, must—that's all.—(Hear, and lau;hter.)--'-The Honourable :Member's princ;ple (contintieti Mr. martin), puts me in pliod Of .a little matter which happimed 6 my coun try,--<t,auelster.)—A friend of aline cowrnitted a greatoutragenpOn stimbotlY 3tie night; and next morning he asked me—" What will •I dd said '' You-are tlie Wroug doer; tO : he Tare,. 41 I make an apology;" 9aiil. I. Btit he . would not Malt.' any •conceSsion at all. WHl—the s friend - of th e . injured .party, as.a rnitn:of honour. should do, waited on . mu : Your friend is in the wrong, and he:11 apnlog - ise,".sayS he. " I you may make a - riddle of his body, bit the deVil of any - . apology yoti'll get from .bith," said 1. " But what's to.be done ?" said he. " That's what I don't kno*," said I. " Matters have gone so far, we'll never get out without an apo:i logy some way." • " I tell? you again," says " apology my friend will make none." " Oh," then, faith I have it," said he—" if your friend won't apologise, to be sure:'mine shall; and that will be' just - the same you know."-,,. (Cheers and laughter.)—Mr. Martin conCludea by 'dissenting from the motion. Mr. LENXAnn - said he was very glad that it had been at last admitted by Gentlemen opptisite that the exclusion of her-tlNlajesty's name from. the Liturgy was a punishment; he had always considered it so.; and he thought It unworthy of the Noble Lord opposite to contend, as Ire . had done on former occasions, that it was not. punishment. Ile had beard with great surprise the Member for Montgomeryshire, and, the Mein ber for Yorkshire, contend that the restoration of the Queen's name to 'the Liturgy was an act or grace and favour. He would. not attempt, after the luminous argument on a•former night of the Honourable 'Member for Oxferd,. to argge the question on the strict construction of the Act of 'Parliament ; but_ it seemed to him that no tnan who had honestly and sincerely ap plied himself to- this question, with the as sistance of those arguments, could have a doubt that the rejection of her Majesty's name from the' Liturgy was an arbitrary' and illegal assump tion, in the teeth of the true meaning of the Act of Parliament. No man, in his. opinion, could read that statute without being•convinced that it. was never meant that there should be any discre tion to alter or change beyond that alteration,' which might become necessary by death, or other inevitable accident. But the truth .was-, there .was no law. to read the Queen; and there-] fore new laws were to be made and'o:d ones bro ken. She was to be punished and then heard, castigatqae auditque. She was to be .punished with more than Ithad-amenthean injustice ; for after being punished and heard, and tried and acquitted—the prerogative of the Crown—that prerogative contended - for by Ministers, but de nied by the people —not the prerogative of mercy, which was admitted, but the prerogative of -ven geance, which wits denied—was setup to supply! what was deficient in the, rigour of the law. had bven said, that as the Queen's name had been al- I ready excluded froM the Liturgy, it would he inex pedient to put it in again. What was this argument, but an admission that accusation, coming from the quarter from whence iL came, was to be taken as proof of guilt ? lie was:not surprised at this from Gentlemen who had approved of the exclusion of the Queen's name from the 'Liturgy before her trial. This act served to mark tint spirit of the proceedings against ',ler—thDse proceedings, ano malous. in the annals of our history, of the worst times of our history ; it served also .to mark the credit which was due to any sentiments in' favour of justice professed by his Majesty's Ministers. No one could have forgotten .ItOw ' after the Man chester massacre, they depr eca t e d any expression of opinion which might prejudice that qtiestion ; yet they. had not been unwilling to brand the Queen as guilty before her trial—her anomalous trial, when her judges Were her accusers, and her accusers the paid servants of her husband the-com- plainant,and the supposed injured party. Butabove all she had a greatei, misfortune than having her judges fer her accusers : they were her former friends : and it was the commonest observation, that none so persecuted their former religion as those who had abandoned it. " Itenegadoes never change by halves!" A 11-her former friends, to whom she should look to fur support, had de serted her in her utmost - need, and with one ex ception (and he doubted even the truth of that exception) . , had ranged themselves against ker. ft was true that the member for Liverpool was not there that night tojuge the cause of Govern ment against the Queeu; it' was true that he had called her the grace and ornament of society ; but was it not also true that he had coincided in the early measures against her : at all events, he had thought her unworthy of his support, and left her to be defolded as she might : but she had found in the people of England—in public spirit—in that inherent feeling'of justice which is always to be found in the breasts of an en lightened and free people—that pity and support which had been denied to her by the members of her husband's family. lie could' see the reason why no conviction was to be 'infused into the minds of his Majesty's Ministrs ; vest/ is nalla rettorsum was her motto. Tlic; . y'coulil not afro,rd to be sincere•—to confess thatitieir Milan Com- mission had been deceived, or that .it had deceived them.. A lithat they hack done *as. to be defend- ed . and supported ; but he did not despair of seeing the day when justice, though delayed, would at length be done. A few nights ago the Right lion. Gentleman below him, in a speech as remarkable for its manly sincerity as for its con- vincing and overwhelrom,;argum - ent, had declar ed his conviction, that if he had gone out of the House with only ten other i'cvlembers, still that the Queen's name would be replaced in the Liturgy. tie had been at first startled at the position, but on a consideration of the state of public feeling. he was sure that he had been right. Ile would not then go into the Milan Commission ; the meni hers of it might be " all honourable men." lie would not pretend to say that like King John or King Richard they. had whispered -their wibhes (if they had any) to their gd•trts ; but he had no - doubt-411;a there had been perjury among' the witnesses, and it would not hive exited without the hope of • rewaid; how that hope had been nurtured f God knew. The late measures , against the Queen were an additional . reason for Parlia- tuentnry Reform. Would any one- pretetad that a Minister would have dared to contemplate bripging a Bill of the nature , of that• agaiust:ther Queen, to a House- of COMMOIIS speaking. , . . ,• • • tlx sentilsenti,'of the re-oPle ? He had not gone into the law or the question ; he considered that .point flad• been ket, at rest ; !but. he . ,littdrstatetl, his opinionof the.trtmenz of tbe QUeen ;, thought. she hail RA-reitthe grea:te-ft: : injustice; : and he felt hittiSelf bd'iad to 2,;ve every. SuppOrt to thi-;' motion of , the Hon. Menther: • - Mr. W.tr,MoT, on a former occasion; had avoid.: ed toncitintt on the subject then Incidentally Con , nected ith, the debate, .res.er-Tin . tk- himself till they should come more regularly before it., The lion. Gentleman who had bfb.ught .forytard! this motion, had professed to do. so in the"spirit of conciliation, cod the Honourable Member f2t• Iframber, ••• in the same. spirit of concilia•- tiOni lied also proposed :that the House should agree to it, because. this •vvould he agreeable to public opinion.. He (Mr. Wilmot) thought a.dLsr, tin ction ought to be taken between the public opi nion of the - moment, and that which, from being founded on the inimitable principles of justice, must forever remain the same. He reminded those who spoke of public opinion of the language, of Mr. ! Barke to his Constituents, and that at a time. when •he was not considered an alarmist. Ile then, on differing from his .Consti tuents, told them that " he Was sent to express. their opinions, not such as might then be fashion able, but such as be and they must always con tinue to hold. They had sent him to Parliament !as a pillar of the -State, td brave the storm, and not as a weathercock, to answer every change of the wind by its levity and versatility:" night or wrong, he (Mr. - Wilmot) thought the opinion of the people of' Engtend would be very diffe rent from that now. avowed, wh:11 the present effervescence in the public mitid had subsidtid.- The present was a compound question that turned on. legality and expediency. •The arrangement made with respect to the• Liturgy, he held to be perfectly legal, and he thotight the Queen, if well advised, would not have brought it forward again into diScussion.----The pre cedent established in the case •of the wif e of George the First did not appear to him one that ought wholly Lobe set aside. He was, therefore, of opinion, that- as far as precedent went, the Ministers were justified in the course they-had-taken. But the main question now be fore the House was, whether or not the Queen's conduct had been proved to . be such as. to merit any mark of, g r ac e or f avour from the Crown. Considering the general arrangement made with respect to the. Liturgy, he did not see that 'any thing in her conduct made it the duty of Govern ment to depart from the line they had originally thought it :right to pursue.' On these grounds he thou:ght it was: not • expedient for the House to interfere, by calling on Ministers to advise his Majesty to rotore the Queen's name to the Li turzy ; and he mast therefore give his vote against the motion. WrLegaFoacE explained. Mr. e ntitavAT said, that he could not allow his ()Pinion upon this qUestion to be influenced by the Observations of those who argued that its ob ject was• to produce the rembval of his Majesty's Ministers; nor could•he agree with those who would deCline to do that which was right, lest a particular consequence should follow. He was particularly adverse to the omission of the Queen's name in the Liturgy, because there was no pre cept. of our religion more ratiolial'and impressive than this, that a guilty person ought to be prayed for—therefore, those whoossumed the Queea.to be guilty, ought to be among the first to support the present proposition.: The mixture pf religion with pOlitics, for the purpose of propagating pre-. judices through tht.r pulpit, 'was a proceeding which could not be too strongly deprecated i-and upon that ground the omission of the Queen's name. in the 'Liturgy, involving as it did a depot.... ture from general• usage, was a most' ill-advised and unfair measure. Such was. notoriously the general feeling of the country, who could not Misunderstand the motive of, this extraordinary omission ; and. it was to be recollected, that though the people might sometimes thin,, wrongly they always felt rightly. But it could not be doubted, that the. restoration of her Majesty's name to the Liturgy, would be . a very popular measure ;• andhe was sorry to see that this:resto ration was opposed, rather . upon the ground. of pride than of justice, .on the part of those who supported his Majesty's Ministers ; for it was argued.' by those cl-entlemen that the adoption of this motion would: operate .to remove Mi nisters from. office. But he could not agree that the circninstance of leaving Ministers in a minority •would serve to produce their dismissal; for it could not ,be forgotten, although those Ministers-.were in a minority Upon,- the subject, of the Property Tax, as well as upon other occa sions, they still retained their offices. lie, how ever, could not feel himself justified in:allowing the apprehension of. any remote contingency to Withdraw him from the performance of his_ duty in voting for the motion. before the House. Lord`Mri:•ro.v vindicated the opinions of Mr. Burke against the inference w hid) the Hon. Mem ber for Newcastle thought proper to draw from those opinions. • The quotations of the Honour able Member were. from—the speeches of Mr. Burke. upon the American war, upon the commer cial propositions to Ireland, and, upon the Ca tholic Question ; but the Honourable Member was quite mistaken in his. construction of those quotations, •It would, however, be well if the Honourable Memb.er, and those wheacted with him; would reeollect•the memorable ex pres-• sion of Mr.. Burke as to rtri addressing House of Con eons and a: petitioniag people—for :Such -was' the present . condition of- the:, country. Butto . .gu l a ri l.ag a inst the evils of that condition, he would' invoke the House to add its Petition to:The:Pe titious of all the rest of the nation, for restoring her 'Majesty's name to the Liturgy, and thus con-. tributing to. tranquillize the public mind. . • SirTuom.ts Aci(LANn convinc--, ed that the sense of the nation was favourable to' `the restoration of , the•Queetr's -flank to the Li turgy.,_he,should gladly,=vote...with the Member for ,l,orkshire,hut:he did not cpusider the opinion' in favour of the question . as coming from all the: nation; but i part only. - reasori.for that - be .lief was founded =upon the: inflated:fevered : state of the public mind 4 ..which was- observed over the: whole country during Hy did not nit an I • • • •..• •• to itwas not the effect of a general Ind fie; riertitis feeling, but the view he was hiclitted-td take Of . ,the.-queStion rested upon„ a. differeckt basis: the motitinSbrO:iglit fdrwarg silt that Itotise it4iriu , i the .present Sesjiou„.the niotiod under consideration was . tloA itnportant. It int/olired Which applied not only to the dignity of the Crown; but the bounttr. of that liOsise It li/child lead the House to ,it•tta example must folloWed. 'l 7 hd resolu tion ,phi posed to be adopted appeared to involve necessity 'On the part Of the lionise to _interpose their authority or Mediation, with it Vier, to ask that which the Crown had thotilat proper to re fuse ;, Aay all the disgracef ul circumstances which had occurred dicing the late unfortunate ins estigation ought to be fergOtten--to say n 6 sort of blame could attach to ,her Ma jeAty, or prevent her claiming from the Crown the most distinguished marks of ho nour; notwithstanding, she was ?eparated from the Monarchi. whoSe association would still have been her greatest Ornament. There was a sort of previous question which led persotir 'to judge differently from him. Ile was not disposed to enter into discussion upon the legal knowledge of professional Cientlemen 4 . who bad adtocated the question in favour of it Queen. It was simply enough to say that his fieling was; that the conduct :of liis Majesty', Ministers did not interfere with the law contained in the•ACts of Parliament; for none of the. arguments from the issuing of the Orders of Council, to the•prez sent time, had ch)arly defined the question of legality. •It really did not appear that his Ma; jesty's Ministers had tiolated any law. upon the subject. The supportei's of the motionshould have called the attention of the aouse to tile if it was illegal,. of the act they had declared so arbitrary. .Any .person tit.;o wish ed to. be guided. by. religion and morality,. might well differ from his Hight Honourable! Friend. In the first place, he was loath to admit that any view of expediency . ought to sanction au injury to society,. When he considered the mo-/ tion was to procure the interposition of the House,. for the purpose of breaking .down all forms and .dependent questions,. he could not support it.--(Hear, hear, heat!)---Th House could not be -unmindful that the innocenca of the party was once at issue, and that the-Judges of her conduct decreed, that she was convicted of the charges. If so, he did not see hover the House could reconcile to their feelingsa. vote which would ultimately place such .a person at the head -of female society in England.,--(ilear, hear ! and cry of " Question ! Question,!") — The bias on his ,own mind was, that which his Majesty's Ministers said , long ago, ere the•conduct of the Queen bad been confirmed.-- On the question of expedii-ncy he was at issue with the Member fur Bramber. He did nut think that House or the Country would in the slightest (degree receive benefit by yielding tha question. They were to look at the principle . , and see to what extent it, would lead. -If this motion was agreed to, the Queen- would doubt- less call upon them to do other things, hod how could they refuse ? In a case where Royal marks of ,distinction and homage. had been refused, how 'could they' give homage• is the Church©s and 'Cathedrals ? If . the" , gave up the question of the Liturgy, they liNd . not the least reason to suppose the Queen would be satisfied, or concvde 'any other Had. they not - seen, by leer Majesty's hitt refusal to receive the allowance voted by Parliament., that she had no diSposition to resign her rip - ,htsi. or gkre up any point ? If the-motion before the House was agreed to, she might turn their own guns, as it were, against the H ou s e of Commons, and. sey, why you made the concession Of the Liturgy to me—,yet you say I am not a person worthy to inhabit a Royal Palace 'rhea . . the 4nestiOn would arise ; how they could refuse to let her share in the Coronation ; and other points, which ought not to he the subject of discussion.? It had been said the public would judge what was done in Par liament, but still the House of Commons ought to act consistently. They ought not to stand in the situation of having done all they coubt to restore the Queewto the Liturgy, and at the gam: time refuse to concede other-claims. If some thing was due to her Majesty,. they also owed something to the honour and virtue of the Country. Sir Joins . NEWPORT saidohe-abandonment of the Bill of Pains and Penalties left the Queen in the situation she stood .before: the Rrosecutiou. Nothing Could alter that poSition,.and - therefore . he looked at the Bill of Pains and Penalties is proving neither guilt itor. innocence. Irk Hon: Friend who made the motion . , had the tranquillity of the Country for his object. Ile was Convinced the Country 'would not ,be in.peace tho question was disposed of. _ . . Mr. DAVENPORT was of opinion, that. the leav ing the Queen's name ont of. the Litur r u in the first instance was an ill-advised measure ; hut. he could not-consent to the , restoration of it to the service of the church, owing to the nature o 1 the answers which she had returned tp. t. 14,0 -vapiaus addresses.. which had. been :presented:- to her. — (Question, question.) - • Mr. W. L.uin observed, that with. regard -to the legal question connected,with the.present he was notoonvinced, after 3 . 11 the arguments he had- heard upon it, thatthe, c lantie.in, the Act of Uniformity gave the •Queen a. right.. to haJite‘4F name- inserted •in the lA:torgy. -The Leartled. Gentleman in his argument.npon-that-pqintAall recounted all the - various-privileges whi,lthelonged to a Queen-Consoa; but be (Nye -Larri4), :though t that he would agree. with hioa,in stating that,tley :were given to the -Queen, i.n. aid and aV4i3taxice, not in-opposition and tontradictien,te-ttle. Crown. That was .the. general, rule- cr ,3.0y , : 910„1,!ii privileges of a -Queere,Co4sot.t,.:were -sakestrqed. The clause , in.:the act. of uniferrnity.omiritich...ttle Learned- Gen t. had pia:: elk ko--rouch yF.4s put in LX fox explanation„of,..a4n,r rner clause ; and:even if it vrare eyery Act of Parliament: was , . to - he :Te'ristruedocupis4;. , .;- .1y with reason.andjit.self. therefore -,..4,4,tere,b,,,1a beets no -provito lik t e Itse cite 70ats. re-,l.ieti: Lycra *-4 the Acts- there roost tek,ots v p•Q vslP4l.l somewhere' to. make such. a l i te utions : as ; t lf e