The Sun. — London, England, 1844-02-26 00:00:00

.~ y - ~~~,T.•.r • SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOtRNALS. • FROM THE EVENING PA SRS OF THIS DAT. • GLOBE.—Sir lobert Peel has just made another stand, 'and it is a stand by which he will one day fall, .- for he stands now upon the Irish Church. Of th e sin , verity with which he does so we make no doubt, nor have we any f a ult t o fi n d w i th his motives. It . is quite true, as he says hiriisclf, though in i• rather more words, that he cannot afford to - change again. He has already, by one con • • cession, lost O x f or d, hi s early pride—he will not • forfeit Tamworth, his remaining boast : and as Tam *oral is to Oiford, so will be the character for con sistency which he may still hope to gain, to that which he once posssessed. After ally as a matter of personal ". „feeling, he is right : to 'make the most of his oppor • trinities, such as they are ; and hence it is that he will , atick to the last to his Irish Church, that "dear ruin" which he has helped to - make, and as he tells us also at the same time, to his English Chancell or —another striking pr oo f of the desperate fidelity with - trhich he will henceforward adhere both to his mea sures and his men,-. His constancy, too, in the last instance, is brought out in bold relief by contrast - with the very opposite conduct of the Whigs towards - 'One of their Chancellors —poor Lord Plunket. We would not willingly speak hardly of him, but the un ,-,triendly praise of Sir R. Peel compels us to say, that with all his talent, even before his incapacity became so °notorious, he was the worst Chancellor that either Ireland or England had seen since the days of Lord - Erskine. We speak not as partisans, or we would not have cited the latter name. Lord Plunket, however, had, in an eminent degree, that merit which Sir Robert Peel appreciates the most in a judge • and if he read the debat e o f F r id ay n i g h t, how much he must have regretted that he was not born either a Tory or a Scotchman ? Even as it is, we wonder that Sir R. . Peel did no t, i n hi s own peculiar way, show his sense of merit in an opponent by offering to make him , either a Master in Chancery or a pro-Vice-Chan cellor, as he did offer to that really eminent judge, and most judicious though unobtrusive, politician, .Lord Cottenham:who had, we thought; done his - duty in his own sphere, both too modestly and too° well to have been singled out, as he was - by a political adversary, as an object of that 'which we will make bold to call the most un paralleled instance on record of official im pertinence. But to return to the Irish Church, which, like the late Irish Chancellor, will take no 'hints, and will not retire even upon a pension, except upon compulsion : it seems certainly to be a little less near to its end than we had thought it to be before the late debate; for it is new proclaimed, in the hearing of all men, that Sir Robert Peel will not give it up, that Sir James Graham will not betray It, and - more than this, that Lord John Russell will not attack it in right earnest. As the leader of a . party which may perhaps not very long be in opposition, Lord John Russell may be right in forbearing to connect himself to measures which, as the head of a new Government, he might not be able to carry out ; but we who are not re strained by any such considerations, and who claim the right of saying what we think both in season and -out of season,. do not hesitate to say that the time is come, and' is not gone by, as some people sup -Pate, for giYing up the Protestant Establishment in Ireland, that is—for taking from it at once, with the reserve only of existing life interests, so much of its property as exceeds the proportion which the number- of its Members bears to the po pulation of Ireland. This, or something like this, wilL•bo,- at some- time or other, the inevitable . ea.' This has been ' at all times since the in vasion' of the Irish Protestant Church, the only j'ast - course ; 'and never, we think, have the rea sons ,fol• doing it once been, so urgent and impe lions as they are now. We do not say that this of itself would do much for Ireland ; but it is the only thing that will give us a chance of doing any thing; as it affords the only means of acting upon the people by ensuring the co-operation of their leaders and advisers. We speak not of their chief movers vt present, but •of their natural and habitual 'leaders and advisers—the Catholic gentry and clergy. The difficulty of carrying such a measure through Parliament is, we apprehend, very much overrated. Who'Would have thought, three months before the introduction of the Catholic Relief Bill, that it would have passed the House of Lords bya majority of more than a hundred- ? And so we think it would turn out now,,,if-tHe question were well broughthome to them, ttad the Englishpeople are too sensible and too just to care so much about the Irish Church as those who claim to represent the religion of the country would have us believe. They require but a little time and a little pressing to remove their scruples ; and if Mr. Cobd en eould, in the course o f hi s travels, occasionally spare ti* bye-day 'to enlighten them, as to the real state 'of the case, the business would soon be done. At tiny rate, we believe that it is in the power of Lord John Russell and those who act with him, to do it ; and whatever deference we may feel for the feel ings which bid them refrain from doing all that they might do, we do not hesitate to say that if the Irish Church exists in all its solitude of ascendancy five yeari hence, it will owe it, though it may not choose to own it, to ,the forbearance of Lord John Russel and his friends. ISTAND..A.RD.—The Morning Chronicle affects to admire the tone of Sir Robert Peel's speech. We admire it unaffectedly. We think that the Premier took his line of argument upon the ChutA question in the very - bee. taste, and with the 'soundest jtidgment, and indeed sound judg- Ment, rarely differs from good taste. Our con temporary, however, while admitting and admiring the. Right Honourable Baronet's premises, _quar rels with his coriclusion—namely, that the esta blished united. ChUrch must be supported without deterioration and without a rival. This is some what repugnant to logical rule; granting the pre mises, . the conclusion legitimately drawn from these: premises •is 'usually taken as granted also. .But we see where the Morning Chronicle has beviilslered itself, it- puts Sir R. Peel's reference to the-creed of Roman Cathelics generally, for—the creed it is not, but—the abject subjection of the liolitical Roman Catholics, for which Sir H. W. Bar- Mr. More O'Ferrall, and Mr. Sheil spoke ; the, hitterare, however, as 'regards Roman Catholics generally, but a minority, and as regards intelligent Roman Catholics; a truly " miserable minority." In-the Premior's reference to the addresses of the operative Protestants, he did not condemn men for the expression of their opinions, but he complained, and with reason, .of their inadvertently taking a course which might seem to commit the executive to these opinions, or compel them reluctantly to treat those taking that course with less kindness and respect than they .really entertained for them. Was there any desertion of Protestants in tnis ? .MPERIAL PARLIAMENT. (THIS EVENING.) H OUSE OF LORDS. The LORD CWINCELLOR took his seat on the Wool wick at Five o'Clock. REPEAL OF THE UNION.—THE CATHOLIC KIJESTHOOD. - The Marquis et NORMANBrsaid that .he wished to , say a few words in reference to a statement which had been made by the Noble Marquis opposite (the Marquis: of Westm e ath) i n th e course o f t h e l ate de bate on the state of Ireland ; namely, that a poor priest, who had refused to assist in collecting the re peal rent, had been suspended in consequence for a month by his bishop. He tthe Marquis of Nor manby) felt it right both to the Noble Marquis op po site and t o th e Ri g h t Rev. Gentleman to whom the statement referred, to mention that he had received a positiVe contradiction from the Right Rev. Dr. Cant well, the Roman Catholic Bishop of the diocese where the occurrence was said to have taken place, stating most distinctly that no such thing ever occurred, and that he believed that no Roman Catholic bishop would beguilty of such an act. The Marquis of :WESTMEATH said that he was obliged to the Noble Marquis for giving him the ear nest intimation of the contradiction he had received to the statement which he (the Marquis of West meath),:hid - made. All he could say at the pre sent moment was, that the fact was stated, and was pretty notorious in the country. Of course he was bound •to inquire further into the matter before he could reiterate the charge. There might have been some error as to the time when the Roman Catholic priest to whom he had alluded and who wag now dead had been suspended ; but he re peated he would make further inquiry into the matter. The Marquis of NORMANBY only wished to state the fact, that he had received a contradiction of the Noble Marquis's statement, explicitly declaring that no priest had ever been suspended for the alleged cause. The: Marquis of WESTMEATH reiterated his intention of making further inquiries into the matter, and then sedl, that, as he was upon his legs, he Would put a question to his Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolsack. The Duke, of WELLINGTON hoped that their Lordships would adhere to the practice of not asking questions without giving notice. The Marquis of IVESTMEATH said he did not wish his Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolsack to ive an.ariswer doing so were inconvenient. igiriVIANCELLOR said that one of the _ notice was, that it gave an op . , / dun' • to whom it was put, to consider /47, - onijo on who gave the notice, as to 71*. u. ~was pqper; to put the question or not. CAL AflitOU4l said another- advantage was it .enables hint to'give an answer. • 111 • s HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. trtt Wbition o bservations Thie Marquis of LANSDOWNE ma d e a f ew servations which were inaudible In the gallery. The Duke of WELLINGTON said, that he SUN OF.FICE, Seven o'Cloch, made a mistake in tailing` it an order of the House; but it was a pr a cti ce o f their Lordships which it was very desirable not to infringe upon, not to ask a question without giving notice. The conversation then dropped. The LORD CHANCELLOR presented a petition from the masters and scholars of the University of Cambridge, against the union of the sees of St. Asaph and Bangor. FRENCH AND ENGLISH COLLISION IN THE SOUTH SEAS. Lord BROUGHAM wished to ask his Noble Friend opposite (Lord Aberdeen) a question in re lation to a rumour which had caused a great deal of alarm in this country. He was sure his Noble Friend would have no difficulty in answering his question, as the rumour to which it referred was one that could scarcely have any foundation. His question was, whether his Noble Friend had received any in formation on the subject of an encounter alleged to have taken place between French and English ships of war in the South Seas ? The ;Earl of ABERDEEN said that the Noble Lord's question was an instance of the inconvenience which had been so strongly reprehended in the con versation which had just taken place amongst their Lordships, and in which his Noble and Learned Friend had taken part.—(A. laugh.) However, he could say that he had received no information on the subject, and he thought it very improbable that there was any foundation for the rumour.—(Hear.) EXPULSION OF POLES FROM POSEN. Lord BROUGHAM rose to put another question to his Noble Friend.-L-(Laughter.) It was well known to his Noble Friend, and to all their Lord ships, that his Majesty, the present King of Prussia, ruled over his dominions with great kindness and justice—and that his kindness was not confined to his Saxon and Prussian subjects, but was extended to his Polish subjects in the Grand Duchy of Posen, which was annexed to the kingdom of Prussia in the year 1774. But it was said that he had lately issued a proclamation, that all persons from Russia and Austrian Poland should depart from Posen. He (Lord Brougham) thought that was very unlike the rest of his Majesty's conduct since he ascended the throne.— (Hear, hear.) If he had done so, it must be in consequence of something which had not come to the knowledge of the public in this country. He (Lord Brougham) thought such a proceeding was not con sistent with the mildness and justice of the King's Administration hitherto, to make so sweeping a pro clamation against the whole for their misconduct. The Earl of ABERDEEN had again to ob serve, that in consequence of the watt of notice, he was unable to give a decided answer.—(Hear and a laugh.) He knew indeed that the King of Prussia had lately adopted some measures in relation to the Polish refugees residing in Posen, but how far those measures extended, he was not prepared to say. He agreed with his Noble and Learned Friend, that from what they knew of the character and Government of the King of Prussia, it would appear that whatever he had done, was warranted by the necessity of the- case —(Hear.) CATHOLICS ON JURIES IN IRELAND. Lord CAMPBELL begged the indulgence of the House, while he brought under their notice a matter which had occasioned great pain to a gentleman of great respectability. In doing so, he would keep himself within their Lcirciships rules, and not make a speech without a motion.—(A laugh.) He re gretted that the Noble Lord the Earl of Roden was not present ; however, he would not hesitate to mention the matter in his Lordship's absence, for he was bringing no charge against the Noble Earl, who = had said nothing which he did - not believe to be perfectly correct. But the Noble Earl fell into a mistake mu tually enough. The gentleman in whose behalf he (Lord Campbell) had to solicit their attention was Mr. Richard O'Gorman, an opulent and respectable merchant of the City of Dublin, who was one of the grand jury to whom the indictment was preferred against Mr. O'Connell. The circumstance to which he (Lord Campbell) was about to advert had been mentioned by his Noble and Learned Friend behind him, and. on that occasion Lord Roden said that it was an instance of the unfitness of Roman Catholics to be placed upon juries, because Mr. O'Gorman, notwithstanding his oath to keep his own counsel and that of his fellows, declared in open court that he had not consented to the finding. The fact was that the foreman of the grand jury signed the Bill for " himself and fellows," when Mr. O'Gorman said in court that he for one had not agreed. Mr. O'Gorman has a son at the Irish Bar, who had communicated with him (Lord C.) 'transmitted to him references to authorities which proved _that the jurors were only bound by their oaths to keep secret the evidence and material facts which come before them, but they were in no Wise bound, to conceal in whaeway they had voted in the jury-room. There was a case at the Old Bailey, on which the Chief Justice presided, and actually examined the jury individually in Court as to the way in which they had voted, and in another case Lord Kenyon ruled that no grand juror could be examined upon a trial to prove whether or not the evidence of the prosecuting wit ness was the same in Court at the trial with that which he had given before the jury. It was quite enough if twelve concurred in finding the bill; the dissent of those who did not was of no importance. He should not conclude by any formal motion. Lord BROUGHAM thought there was no oc casion for that; there was nothing objectionable in the mode taken to defend an absent person. But it was only right that he should state there must be a great mistake either in the report or the recollection of the Noble and Learned Lord, if he supposed that Lord Roden meant to throw any imputation on Mr. O'Gorman of having violated his oath. But the Noble Earl was arguing on the dan ger of leaving Roman Catholics on the petty jury, and in order to illustrate this, he stated that the trials were looked on so much as a Catholic question In Ireland, that this respectable individual, a Catholic,was so apprehensive and alarmed at the effect of being supposed to have agreed with the other grand jury he did a very unusual thing—he came into open Court, and declared that he did not concur in the finding. Certainly there was no intention on the part of Lord Roden to impute anything like moral perjury to Mr. O'Gorman. Lord CAMPBELL said he had not intended to in troduce anything of a controversial nature into the question. The Marquis of WESTMEATH bore testimony to the honourable conduct of Mr. O'Gorman when assistant barrister of the county in which he lived. After a few words from Lord WHARNCLIETE and Lord CAMPBELL, the conversation dropped. FREE - TRADE. Lord CLARENDON (on behalf of Lord Radnor) postponed the presentation of the petition from the county of Somerset,- in favour of free trade, till Thursday, the 29th inst. TRADE WITH TURKEY. Lord BEAU MONTI asked if it would be conve nient for the Government to lay on the table any copies or extracts of correspondence between the Foreign-office and the Porte, relating to the duties on British goods imported into Turkey. The Earl of ABERDEEN made no objection to laying the correspondence on the table. JURIES IN IRELAND. The Marquis of ,LANSDOWNE gave notice of his intention to move that :there 'be laid before the House any instructions that had been given in Ireland with regard to the mode of striking juries. He did not fix any 'day for that motion. Their Lordships then adjourned. • On the motion of Sir T. Fremantle, the SPEAKER directed his warrant to issue for a new writ for the election ofa Member for Londonderry in the room of R. Bateson, Esq., deceased. MANCHESTER AND LEEDS RAILWAY. Mr. HARDY moved the second reading of the Manchester and Leeds Railway (Bury branch). Mr. T. EGERTON took the opportunity of re marking on the want of formality in referring some of those branch Railway Bills to the York Railway Committee; and others to the Leeds Railway Commit tee. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed. Several Railway Bills were advanced a stage. • On the motion that Sang's Naturalization Bill be read a second time, Mr. HARCOURT moved pursuant to notice— that it be an instruction to the Committee ofiSelection; that the Committee on Sang's Naturalization Bill have leave to sit on Wednesday next, and that the Commit tee on the Bill have leave to report on the same day. Th© motion was agreed to, and the Bill read a second time, and ordered to be committed. Mr. AGLIONBY brought up the Report on the Basingstoke and Southampton Railway Bill. REPEAL OF THE UNION. _ _ _ Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the Corporation of Dublin, under the seal of the Corpo ration, praying for a repeal of the legislative union between England and Ireland. The petitioners stated that the Act of Union was passed against the will of the Irish people, at a time when martial law had been proclaimed, when the Habeas Corpus Act had been suspended, and when the military force in Ire land had been greatly_ augmented. ''.fhe petitioners further stated that to obtain the Act of Union the sum of 1,500,0001. was expended in the most profligate bribery. They also stated that the result of the Union had been that 2,300,000 paupers had been upwards of one' spread over the land, being MIMESIS fourth of the whole population. The Honour able and teamed Gentleman, in bringing up the petition, said that in entrusting the petition to him the Corporation [of Dublin did not intend to re linquish the right of presenting petitions at the bar of the House. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman also presented forty-seven petitions from Leinster, with 126,976 signatures attached; fifty-seven from Munster, with 102,397 signatures; forty-three from Ulster, with 95,835 signatures ; thirty-five from Connaught, with 55,600 signatures; one from England, with 70,000 signatures ; one from Glasgow, with 1,587 signatures ; and one from British subjects in Nova Scotia, with 2,700 sig natures. The total number of signatures to these petitions being 387,864, all praying for the repeal of the legislative union between England and Ireland. STOPPAGE OF - THE SUPPLIES. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from Edinburgh, signed by 17,000 of the inhabitants. The petitioners complained of the state of the representa tion, the system of protective and differential duties, and of the extent of taxation, and the law of primo geniture. They prayed that these grievances might be taken into immediate consideration by the House, and that the supplies might not be voted till such a course was adopted; - also a petition from Newcastle upon-Tyne, containing nearly similar allegations, and the same prayer. THE BIRMING?AM NAVIGATION BILL. This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY BILL. On the motion of Mr. C. RUSSELL, this Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. Mr. C. BERKELEY presented a petition, com plaining of certain clauses in the Bill. DUTY ON PAPER. Mr. MACAULAY ',presented a petition from the publishing trade, against the present excise duty on paper. Mr. DENNISTOUN presented a petition, agreed to at a public meeting at Gl;sgow, presided over by the Lord Provost, condemning the Ministerial policy in Ireland, and praying that immediate steps be taken to investigate into the causes that produce so much discontent in that country. Mr. WALLACE presented a petition from an in dividual in Dublin, complaining of injustice done him by public officers in that city, and praying the House to take his case into consideration. COUNTY BANKRUPTCY COURTS. Mr. SCOTT gave notice that he would, to morrow, move for returns relating to the Courts of Bankruptcy in Manchester, Liverpool, and other towns in the north of England. THE NEW POOR-LAW. Mr. B. COCHRANE gave notice, that on the Order of the Day for going into Committee on the Poor-laws'.Amendment Act, he would move a resolu tion, to the effect, " That notwithstanding the im provement proposed by that Bill, the provisions made for the poor were inadequate, and the provisions of the Bill were contrary to the principles of the Constitution, and inconsistent with the dictates of humanity and re ligion." VALUATION OF LAND IN IRELAND. Sir D. NORREYS gave notice that he would to-morrow put a question to the Noble Lord the Se cretary for Ireland, relating to the valuation of land in that country. RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTION IN FACTORIES. Mr. WALLACE rose to move that the petitions which he had presented from certain preachers in the west of Scotland, praying that they should be in cluded in the provisions of the Factories Bill for reli gious instruction, be printed. Mr. BROTHERTON said that there was no need for haste in the printing of these petitions, as in a day or two they would be printed by order of the Select Committee on petitions. The SPEAKER said that the motion of the lion. Member for Greenock was against the rules of the House, which referred the printing of petitions to the Select Committee. Mr. WALLACE then withdrew his motion. SUPPLY—GRIEVANCES OF THE PEOPLE. Upon the Order of the Day being read for the House resolving itself into a Committee of Supply on the Estimates, Mr. SHARMAN. CRAWFORD rose to move an amendment to the effect, that the consideration of the Estimates be postponed. In doing so he said he was actuated by no' party considerations, and he should endeavour as briefly as possible to state his reasons for . the course he was about to adopt. During the late debate which occupied the House for such a length of time he took no part, because he was aware that it would be attended with no practical result, for he thought it was little more than a firing of blank cartridge without any effect.l He thought it was merely a vote for party purposes, in which the great interests of the nation were for gotten ; in fact, it was a question which turned upon the numerical strength of the two parties, instead of being a battle fought for the purpose of protecting the interests of the . great masses of the people. When a hostile army invaded a country, the best course to be pursued by the invaded was to cut off the supplies of their enemies. He should adopt in a political sense the same movement, and endeavour to limit the powers of the intruding party, by cutting off the means by which alone he could carry on his operations. It was on this principle that he then came forward to endeavour to bring forward this motion. It was not an attempt to rally the broken forces of the Noble Lord the Member for London. The Noble Lord had not the country with him. He did not rest on those principles, which would bring the people in aid of him. What he wished to do was to rally a force out of that 'House in support of mea sures that were really wanted. The resolution he brought forward on a former occasion had been in some degree misunderstood. It recited a number of grievances of which the people complained, and said they ought to be redressed; but the parti-. culor grievance it recited was that which re garded the representation. The Honourable Member for Montrose seemed to object to the reso lution, because he said it was one that denied the com petency of that House. Ile did deny the competency of that House to vote Supplies if the charges that were brought against the House were true. He still disputed its right on the same grounds. The petition presented to that House by the Chartists made the same charges ; a petition had at a more recent period been presented, which still more completely denied the competency of that House. It was re ceived and laid on the table. It was a petition from Birmingham, signed by th e Mayor of that to wn ; it declared that the House did not represent the people, and that 950,000 electors returned a majority of the Members of that House. A large portion of. the Members of that House got into Parliament by the most profligate and corrupt means, and such being the case, no attention was paid to the wants of the people. The Members of that House betrayed a gross ignorance of the condition of the people, and a recklessness for their welfare ; in short they made laws for the purpose of depressing the people. Now the petition to which he had been referring was a petition which charged that House with not being the representatives of the people— the petition charged that directly—the terms were not qualified but direct and peremptory. The House had received that petition of the people, and had directed it to be laid on the table; was it not, there fore, necessary for the House to investigate these charges ? He called upon any Member of that House to deny, if he could, the charges made in the petition. He would repeat, that that House was not competent to. do any act, or vote any supplies till its Members had refuted the charges contained in the petition to which he had referred. 'He offered to the House the other day a petition signed by 950,000 voters, complain ing that the House did not represent the people, and the House would not receive it, on the ground that it could not be considered the petition of the people. With regard to the suffrage, he did not ask the House to come to the particular opinions he entertained, before they came to a vote ; but what he did ask was, were they virtually the representativ es of the people ?—(Hear, hear.) It was true they represented the landed aristocracy, part of the middle classes, the moneyed classesl; but a great body of the people—the working classes—were not represented at all. He would ask flap House whether they virtually represented the people, and if they did not, how, he would ask, could they do any act, or vote any supplies ?—(Hear.) The motion with which he had to conclude was, that the grant of the Supplies should be deferred until after Easter. The first step . the House should take before grantiug one farthing of the Supplies, was to have the whole estimates before them—to see what the income was, and what the expenditure was proposed to be. From the year 1836 to 1844 the national expenditure had greatly increased, arid he thought that House had to consider why it had so increased. To this end the estimates ought, in his opinion, to be referred to a Committee. On this subject he certainly thought he was entitled to the support of all those who called themselves economists. The support of the Hon. Member for Montrose (Mr. Hume) he par ticularly claimed. Those Members, who advocated the repeal:of the corn-laws, ought to support him, for no greater grievance could there be than those lawsi in flicted. The Irish Members ought to support him for they had grievancies, indeed, to complain of. The Irish people demand the same corporate reform as that which had been granted to England. They demanded also a greater number of representatives in that House ; and lastly, they demanded an equali zation of religious freedom with England, and Scot land. Now, had the Irish Members any reason to expect that they Woad- obtain any of those great objects. No, they had not; but the Irish Members should not go home without i h n a g viri t g hes flerstobma de objects, . every e e s x ai e d rti u o n n les t s ow th ar e d re s demandobtain. 'were grantedand would be justified i n using every lawful means to obtain a repeal of the union.— (Hear, hear.) He had lately heard the construction of the law with respect to public meetings argued most ingeniously by lawyers, but the construction put upon the law was to little purpose if the Government had a large force at its command. The Government might take the opinion of their law-officers, but the real interpreter they would refer to would be the field-marshal com manding the troops. The Government when it wished to oppress the people, could easily stretch the law to effect that oppression. The only question they considered, when they wished to practice such oppression was, whether they had su ffi cient face to enable them to do so; and the Commander-in-Chief was the officer they consulted. Nothing could more clearly show this than a reference to Irish history. In 1782 the people of Ireland asserted their rights, and they asserted them with arms in their hands. Did any Government say they were illegal ? No; because no Government had the power, and the people of Ireland then had arms in their hands. Such was the case of the volunteers. But the state or things was altered now ; and they had Arms Bills for the Irish people instead of the Irish people having arms. - The Irish journals of that period record that 'an address had been presented to the House of Commons by the Lord Lieutenant, stating what had been gained for Ireland by the volunteers as to the independence of the Irish Parliament and of the Irish judges. The vo lunteers continued to assemble in arms for twelve or thirteen years, and it was never declared that their meetings were illegal, or that they were guilty of any conspiracy. On the contrary, they received the thanks of Parliament on four different occasions for the aid they gave in defence of the country - , and also for that which they gave in aid of the civil power. In the following year 3,000 troops were withdrawn from Ireland, the ordinary force being 12,000, and those who remained were recruits and undisciplined soldieis. The people were left to their own protection. How different was the state of things now. The Right Honourable Baronet in his speech commented on the nature of the Irish Parliament, and he (Mr. S. Crawford) admitted that it had become as corrupt a Parliament as could welt be; "but it-had neverthe less during its existence conferred incalculable benefits upon the Irish people, for it was possible that some times the most corrupt bodies could be influenced by the purest motives towards the people. In conse quence of the corruptions of the Parliament, and the divisions amongst the people; the Irish nation lost all power, and down to this day the evil had remained in full force, after the consequences of the unfortunate rebellion of -1798. A state of suffering and violence had pervaded that country ever since, from one cause or another, but most chiefly from supporting the domi nation of a small party, .to the exclusion of the great majority. He was surprised that no allusion had been made to the Arms Act, because he thought a great mass of evil would arise from the opera tion of the Bill, but he supposed the reason for this silence was that the working out of that Act was.found quite impracticable in the present day. With respect to the landlord and tenant commission all he should say was that many persoiiS looked at it with 'great doubt, because it was imagined there was a desire to screen the landlords from the effects of the commission. Now the Govenment, in defending themselves for the use of military power, said that they were not the cause of the agitation which had been raised in Ire land. He must deny them that apology. There would a dispositioncotteahhxdoahisi be no agitation which would be at all dangerous to t the 'Government if it were not for their obstinate refusal to redress the grievances of Ireland. It was this which caused agita ance, and what he maintained was, that . the Government ought not to be permitted to keep up an army which would enable them to refuse redress. There had been a considerable manifestation of pub lic feeling in favour of the course which he had felt it his duty to take on that occasion. On referring to the votes of the House, he found that petitions had been presented from thirty-four different places, calling upon the House to refuse supplies until the grievances of the people should have been redressed. The petition which he (Mr. S. Crawford) had presented that day from the city of Edinburgh well deserved the attention of the House ; that petition wan - signed by- 17,000 persons. In order to show that he was justified by the feelings of his constituents in taking this course, he need only , refer to the memorial , which had been sent to him from the borough of Rochdale. The Honourable Member then read a memorial to the effect that the refusal of supplies until the grievances of the people had beenredressed, was, in the opinion of the memorialists, a constitutional, just, and necessary course,and highly' approving ofthe announce ment of that course by the Hon. Gentleman. This peti tion was signed by 5,500 inhabitants of Roch dale, and by 400 electors—a larger number than had voted for him -at the time of his *re turn for that borough. He admitted that opposition to the Government in the voting of sup plies, ought not to be undertaken on light grounds. The question was, were there sufficient grounds now to justify such a course ? In his judg. ment the 'grounds: were amply sufficient. The liberties of the people were in danger. If such proceedings as had taken place in Ireland were permitted to continue,, the power of the ttei b o i exhibited t o db o e sthwshd restraino indis pensablyt the to 'express their opinions would be suppressed. liberty of speech ; and on this account, among others, There was it was necessary to pursue this course. The country power o t u o se see s ur o e u redress. take Those who maintained that no other power than moral swuacsh' re presentedimn e a an i n s toll a sste necessar y w aPl eae alarming their i n etnhgll should be resorted to by the people, and who depre cated the use of physical force, were bound to use every means in their pourer to show that neva} power was not unavailing lest men should resort to other means to obtain- redress. ne might possibly be asked, what would be the effect of this remedy if it were capable of being carried out. He admitted that the result would necessarily be, either that the Minister must redress grievances or resign. He did not desire to see the Right Ho nourable Baronet in that position, if he would only hold out the smallest hope of redress. He did not hope that he alone could make any impression on the House in reference to this question ; all he could do was, to ask the Right Hon. Baronet to take the grievances of the country into his serious consideration. He wished to prevent any supply being voted until some indications should be given of an intention, on the part of the Government, to redress the grievances of the people.. Whether such a course should be adopted or not, depended upon the other representa tives of the people. He had done his duty by pro- 1 posing the course which he had p ro p ose d.' The House would adopt whatever course it might think proper. H e had abstained from making any mere ad captundum proposition for the mere purpose of catching a f e w stray votes. He thought that a great stand .ought to be made by the representatives of the country, particularly when the army estimates should be proposed. The Hon. Member concluded by formall y proposing his motion. Colonel RAWDON, in seconding the motion, said that it was not without regret that he presented himself to the notice of the House. He presented himself.for the purpose of. entering his protest against the course which • -it • appeared the Government was determined to adopt towards ' "Ireland. The House would *bear in • mind that, during the course of the Jrish discussion, he had had no op portunity of addressing the House. The number of English Membeis who had addressed the Ileuse-on. the subject had exceeded that of Irish Members. He thought the social and political condition of Ireland was such as to demand inquiry. Let the House remember what M. de Beaumont, a person uncon nected with any English or Irish political party, had said as to the state of Ireland. (The Hon. and Gal lant Officer here read an extract from M. de Beau mont's work, in which that gentleman stated that the condition of the North American Indian as far as regarded physical comforts, was superior to that of the Irish peasant—that it was impossible to find in the world A race of men subject to greater physical privations than the Irish peasantry, that the greater portion of the population 'of Ireland was fed upon potatoes, and that whereas in other countries beggars found the exception, in Ireland they found the rule. Surely. when such was the state of the country inquiry into its condition was imperatively demanded. He knew it must weary the House to speak on the subject of Ireland after the long debate that had taken place on that subject, but the House must recollect that more English Members had spoken than Irish, and he hoped therefore the House would allow him to say a few woras. During—. the,_ whole discussion in Ireland the temperance movement - had never once been alluded to.—(Hearrhear.) They had not had an intelligible answer yet from the Right Hon. Gentleman as to what course he intended to pursue with respect to Ireland. He had held out no hopes of redress for the wrongs of the people of Ireland. For the pre sent the door might be considered shut against the Irish people. The Ira Members must go back and tell their constituents that there were no hopes for the people of Ireland from that House. He had heard the other evening, with some indigne. tion, an Hon. and Gallant Member express a wish that agitation should be put down in that House. He (Colonel Rawden) said that that House was the place for agitation—the constitutional and the proper place. He still clung to the Act of Union, but when he heard such expressiOns as those he had alluded to, his feelings, he must say; Began . to waver. If there could be found. one way more successful than another to increase agitation, it would be in attempting to suppross the discussion of Irish grievances in that 4ouse. He' sincerely believed the time was come at which Irishmen should make themselves more heard in that House. They must be more heard for the Govern ment were not determined on what was necessary and right. He could assure the Right Honourable Baronet (Sir Robert Peel), that however concilia tory his expressions were, he could see nothing tangible in his intentions. The Right Hon. Baronet might stave off substantial measures for a time, but it would be only for a time. Until he consented to a great alteration in the Church, and to a franchise equal to that of England, there could be no hope of permanent peace in Ireland. For these reasons he seconded the motion. Sir H. DOUGLAS, in reply to what had fallen from the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman, said he could assure him that he had not spoken hastily on the sub ject to which the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman had alluded, and certainly he had not spoken with any bad feeling to Ireland. What he had stated was, that he considered the motion of the Noble Lord opposite (Lord John Russell) to be a motion for party purposes, and not for the good of Ireland. And he further stated that when that motion should be triumphantly negatived he should be ready to give effect to his sincere disposition to do everything to favour Ireland, stopping short only at that point, to go beyond which would be ultimately injurious to both England and Ireland. Mr. W. WILLIAMS said he had listened with great attention to the speeeh of his Honour able Friend the Member for Rochdale, but he must confess that he did not think his Honourable Friend had made out any case for the postponement of the present Committee of Supply. If his Hon. Friend had introduced into his motion a proposition that the estimates should be laid before the House, before any portion of them should 'be ' voted for the purpose of such estimates being referred to a Select Committee, he (Mr. Williams) would then have supported his Hon. Friend. His Hon. Friend, however, merely proposed a postponement of the estimates until after Easter, without showing any distinct or clear ground why tliit course should be adopted. He (Mr. Williams) thought the House was fairly entitled, not only to have the army estimates, but the Ordnance Estimates also laid before them, in order that they might be well considered before they were voted. Ile thought too that the Chancel lor :of the Exchequer ought to lay his financial budget before the Parliament before any public money was voted, in order that the ,Mouse might see how the money was to be obtained. The Right Hon. Gentleman, the Chancellor of the Fxchequer, had stated last year that there had been a balance of receipts over expenditure of 1,400,0001., but it appeared that there was not a single farthing saved ; for on the other side of the account it appeared that 1,300,0001. had been received from the sale of the Chinese dollars, and 1,600,0001. had been paid for the China opium which had been seized. It was admitted that the income-tax had brought • in 5,500,000/., but the public never received any account of the real amount of taxation in the financial Statement. They were not averse that 4,500,0001. had been in tercepted by the various public officers in its way to the Treasury. The Commissioners of Customs had been denounced as unfit for the exer cise of the trust reposed in them. They inter cepted an amount of taxation to the amount of 1,200,0001. If there was a Select Committee pro perly constituted not composed of Members of the existing Government, and of the late Government, but of independent Members of Parliament, attached to no party, he had no doubt it would prove from the practice and 'experience of former years, that a large amount might be saved to the country. He would ask, what reason could th ere b e f or thi s enormous expenditure of the public money, when at the opening of the session her Majesty had informed the House that she had the strongest assurances of the most amicable disposition •on the part of all foreign Powers and of uninterrupted peace, what were the actual facts of the case ? Why, that in the navy es timates there was an increase of nearly two millions sterling over that of the year 1835. Now he should call on the Hon. Gentleman opposite to explain to this House why a sum of 25,0001. more was required for the expense of the marine force intended to serve on shore, than what it was in former years. He (Mr. Williams) thought this wasa surreptitious mode of keeping up a standing army. What else, he would ask, could he their reason for keeping up an army of 129,677 men, a larger army than ever was known in this country since the occupation of France. He should like to hear this explained, the more so when they considered that independent of this large army no less than 10,000 pensioners had been em bodied by a vote of that House last year, and also that they had 20,000 armed police. Did they sup port this large military establishment because they proposed •to govern the country by military force.; for if they did not in the present state of the foreign relations of this country, there could be no pretence for it. (LzrT BPEA.KING.) TATTERSALL'S.-..THIS EVENING QUARTER TO SIX O'CLOCK. CHESTER CUP. 14 to 1 agst The Prior 14 to 1 agst Sir Robert 15 to 1 agst Cattonite 20 to 1 agst Merry Andrew .20 to. 1 agst Freedom 20 to agst Pharaoh 22 to 1 agst Pagan ' 22 to 1 agst Tacita 25 to 1 agst Greenfinch 27 to 1 agst What. 6 to 1 agst Ugly Buck 7 to 1 agst Rattan 16 to 1 agst Orlando 15 to 1 apt Leander 20 to 1 agst Cockamaroo 30 to 1 agst lonian 33 to 1 agst Campanero 30 to 1 agst Loadstone 30 to 1 agst Running Rein 45 to 1 agst Apprentice LAW INTELLIGENCE. COURT OF EXC.HEQU.ER, Feb. 24. , - . ;Sittings at Nisi Prius, at Guildhall, before Lord ABINGER and Special Juries.) PICKFORD AND ANOTHER v. THE GRAND JUNCTION RAILWAY. Mr. Martin and Mr. Cardwell conducted the case for the plaintiffs, and the Solicitor. General, with whom was Mr. Crompton, appeared for the defendants. This was an action to recover compensation in damages from the defendants under the following circumstances : The plaintiffs are the celebrated carriers, and like many other private establishments of a similar character have suffered, of course, very materially since the various railways have come into their full force of working. They furthermore complained that upon some of the 'lines advantages are offered to some of their competitors which are denied to them. In the present instance, it seemed that they had sent a quantity of goods to the station at LiverpOel for the purpose of their being forwarded to Birmingham ; that a portion of such goods consisted of pork and other perish able articles; and that they were not forwarded and de livered in due time. It further appeared that, in the present 'instance, the 'goods had been sent to the railway station after four o'clock in the afternoon, and were not forwarded by the goods-train that left at eight o'clock the same evening. , On behalf of the defend an t s it was conten d e d , t h at i nasmuch as there were certain rules and regulations by which it had been found neceSsary, to guide the arrangements and pro ceedings of the railway, and that one of them was to the effect that "all goods intended to be forwarded by the eight o'clock train must be delivered at the station at Liver pool before four o'clock on the same afternoon in order to en sure their being duly forwarded," and that as the plaintiffs had not acted in accordance with such rule, the Company could not be held liable. The jury, entertaining an opinion favourable, returned a verdict for the defendants. WILLIAMS, ADMINISTRATOR, fl. MAY. Mr. Crowder, Mr. Sergeant Byles, and Mr. Butt, appeared for the plaintiff, and Mr. llumfrey, with whom was Mr. E. James, conducted the case for the defendant. This wa's an action to recover the value of certain pictures, of which the defendant had possession, belonging to the piaintiff as the ad , ministrator to the estate and effects of the Rev. C. Digby, deceased. It appeared that the deceased gentleman had, during his lifetime, been a great collector of pictures, and that, having also been engaged in some mining transactions, he had become embarrassed so much as to induce him to quit the country for a short period. Being in bad health, however, he had died at Wiesbaden, whither he hadproceeded for the benefit of baths. Whilst absent from England he wrote to Mr. Francis O'Neal, with whom he was engaged in the mining matters, authorising him to pawn or sell such of his pictures as he might find it to be necessary in order to enable him to pay certain bills which were ap proaching their maturity. With this view the pictures were sent to the defendant, a celebrated money-lender in Cateaton street, with whom a negotiation was commenced for the ob tainment of an advance amounting to 4,000/. After various interviews the negotiation went off, and upon a subsequent application the defendant refused to deliver up the pictures unless he was paid the sum of 700/., which he alleged he had advanced to O'Neal on the authority and for the benefit of the deceased. This authority was disputed on the part of the plaintiff, and thit was the question now brought under the consideration of the jttry.. On behalf of the defendant, it was proved that the deceased had written more then one letter to O'Neal, telling him to pawn or sell the pictures, for the pur pose of raising mdney ; and furthermore, by the production of the cheques of the defendant, that the 700/. had been ad vanced to O'Neal by the defendant. At the conclusion of the _defendant's case, at the suggestion of the Learned Judge, the calm was referred. HARRIS V. HOWARD. This was nn action virtually to compel the defendant to deliver up certain prints, drawings, plates and other matters, to which the plaintiff laid claim as being his property. Mr. Kelly, with whom was Sir John Bayley, conducted the case for the plaintiff, whilst Mr. B. Andrews and Mr. Ogle appeared for the defendant. The plaintiff is Major Harris, to whom the world is indebted for a most admirable work, entitled " Wild Sports of Africa," and the defendant 'is Mr. Frank Howard, the artist. It appeared that the plaintiff, whilst in southern Africa, being anxious to publish the work of which mention has been made, commissioned a Miss Cornwallis in this country to make arrangements with an artist to accomplish that object. The gentleman to whom the lady was recommended turned out to be the defendant, with whom she entered into an agreement, by which he was to be paid fifteen guineas for each of twenty-eight coloured plates, and five guineas each for the " tail pieces" and vignettes. S u b sequently to this a second agreement was arranged for a second work, to which he was to supply twenty plates, at the rate of five guineas per plate. :rids sum, it was stated by the Learned Counsel, was far more than one of the most able artists of the day would have charged. The defendant furthermore undertook to correct the letter-preen portiott of the publication, aid to'act some- ~, DERBY. what in the capacity' of its 'publisher, having promised to for ward copies thereof to the different subscribers in India. In the course of time defendant was paid 1,900/. on account of the first work, and 500/. for the second, and there now re mained only 891. odd due to him. The balance had been tendered, but the defendant refused to accept it, and to deliver up the plates, printing, &c., &c., unless he Were paid 500/. as his commission upon the transaction. This claim the plaintiff declined to acknowledge, on the ground that there had never been any agreement wherein such a thing as commission had been even hinted at. In the course of the statement of Counsel it appeared that, notwith standing so large a sum had been handed over to the de• fendant, he had failed in applying it to its proper purpose, and that several of the parties who had been occupied under him upon the work, retained certain parts in their possession until their claims had been satisfied. Eventually, as in the preceding cause, the case was referred. The jury, therefore, gave a verdict for the plaintiff, subject to a reference ; the defendant, in the meantime, upon secu rity being given, to deliver up those portions of the work that were in his possession, and to give orders for the deli very of the rest by the different tradespeople. - COURT OF COMMON PLEAS, Feb. 24. (Sittings in London before the LORD CHIEF JUSTICE and a Special Jury.) PHILLIPS v. IRVINE. This was an action of assumpsit upon a policy of insurance, brought against the defendants as directors of an insurance company. The-vessel upon which the policy was effected was bound on 'S voyage from London to Bombay, or China. She was examined previous to her departure from this port, and was considered sound, but a short time before her arrival at the port of destination the " cheeks" of her mainmast were found defective. She underwent repairs in her Majesty's Dockyard at Bombay, and was then detained there for several months, not being able to procure a remunerating freightage home. She at length started on ber homeward voyage, but she was found still to be unsound, and her captain put into the Mauri tius. It was there ascertained that the necessary repairs would have cost 7001. or 8001., and this being more than the vessel was worth, she was abandoned as for a total loss, and sold. The pleas put in on behalf of the insurers were—unsea worthiness. a concealment of rotten timbers, a deviation founded on her long stoppage at Bombay, and an improper sale. At the conclusion of the plaintiff's case, however, Sergeant CHANNELL, for the defendants, admitted that the verdict must be against him on three of the pleas, and as to the stoppage at Bombay, he should propose that the ques tion, being one both of law and fact, it should be reserved for the Court. He should then contend that the 'stoppage for the purpose of obtaining a remunerative freightage was a de viation, and would entitle him to move for a nonsuit. 'Sir T. WILDE concurred on behalf of the plaintiff, and The LORD CHIEF JUSTICE accordingly directed the jury to find a general verdict for the plaintiff. NAVAL INTELLIGENCE. . . (From the Hampshire Telegraph.) The Penelope steam frigate, Captain W. Jones, passed Falmouth, on her way to the coast of Africa on Monday last ; the Prometheus steamer, for the same destination, called in at Falmouth, but proceeded on her voyage the following day. The Hydra steamer left St. Helena, for the coast of Africa, on the 30th of December. The Madagascar, 44, was at. Ascension on the 9th January. - The Tortoise store-ship, Commander Finlaison, the newly-appointed Governor of Ascension, will call at this port from Sheerness, to complete her stores, and take on board some officers and supernumeraries for the Afri can squadron. The Tortoise is to be stationed at Ascen sion as a depot for coal, for the use of the steamers on the coast of Africa. .The Nantilus, 10, Lieut. Tringham, sailed on Tuesday for Brighton,•to protect the fishery. The America, 50, has been commissioned at Plymouth, by Captain the Hon. John Gordon. The Caledonia, 120, was to have been docked on Tuesday last, at Devonport (but there was not sufficient water for her) to have her copper cleaned and examined, and not in consequence of having touched the ground, tialtated in. our last paper. The Dee steamer, Mr. Driver commander, arrived on Wednesday from Ireland, for some slight repairs ; she Will return to that station. The Styx steamer will be ready for sea by the 9th of next month ; the Lucifer, for the Irish survey, about the same time ; the Rattler steamer is still under experi mental trials with her crew. The six iron steam-vessels, centracted for by Messrs. Napier, of Glasgow, and Ditchburn and Mare, of Black wall, are to be named Lizard, Jackal, Bloodhound, Torch, Harp, and Myrmidon. The Prince George, transport, came in yesterday from Deptford, to take a detachment of the 20th Regiment from the Isle of Wight to Bermuda. Wa find the navy is to be reduced to seven sail of the line in commission ; that is, three first-rates for the Pcirt Admirals-in Englaud, and three second or third rates for the flags in the Mediterranean, East Indies, and West Indies ; and one, wa presume, for extra service. The Hastings will be commissioned for the next flag officer in the North American command. , The following line-of-battle Ships are reported com plete for. sea service :—Britannia, Neptune, Royal Ade laide, Howe, Waterloo, of 120 guns each ; Nile, London, Vengeance, Powerful, Calcutta, Bombay, Clarence, Van guard, Collingwood, second rates ; Bellerophon, Foud royant, Edinburgh, Pembroke, Hastings, Achille, Hawke, Hercules, Russell, and Implacable, with the Cornwall, President, and Endyniion frigates. The Scourge, a first-class steamer, as Firebrand, but with 190 feet keel, is laid down in this yard : she is to he completed as quickly as possible. The Daring, one of the new 12-gun brigs, will be launched here in a few days. DEVONPORT, Pam. 23.—The Dee steamer, Mr. T. Driver, commanding, arrived on Friday from the Coast of Ireland, with 100 Marines which were left at Spike Island when the Caledonia returned to this port. The, Drake lighter sailed with stores for Portsmouth last Saturday. The Express packet, 6, Lieut. E. Herrick, arrived from' Falmouth on Saturday, and came into harbour to 'have her defects made good. Th e A mer i ca , 50, was undocked on Saturday; having had her copper cleaned and repaired. The Penelope steam-frigate, Captain W. Jones and Prometheus steamer,. Lieutenant Pasco, sailed on Monday for the Coast of Africa.: The Crane packet, 6, -Lieutenant T. A. Lewis, (a) sailed for Falmouth on Tuesday, and will take out the next Bra zilian mail. The Dee steamer sailed for Woolwich on Tuesday. The Netly tender, arrived from Cork on Wednesday. The Larne, 18, Commander Brisbane, arrived frem Cork, on Wednesday. The Albion, 90, Captain LOckyer, was to sail 'from thence the 21st for Lisbon. In Harbour—Caledonia, San Josef, Resist ance, Express packet, Diligence transport, Con4nce• steamer, and Lancier Dutch schooner. In the Sound —Larne. • Sir Richard Dobson's retiring salary from Greenwich Hospital, where he was chief of the Medical Department, is 7001. n-year. Sir Richard was a Surgeon of 1797, and has been 20 years on the Staff of Greenwich. PROMOTIONS AND APPOINTMENTS. PROMOTlONS. — Lieutenants—Richard W. Pelly (1836), Charles F. Schomberg (1838), of the Tartarus, and Cos patrick Bailey Hamilton (1840), of the Winchester, to the rank of Commander. APPOINTMENTS.—Captain—The Hon. John Gordon, to the America. Lieutenants—George Marriott, from the St. Vincent, to the .Formidable; C. E. Rowley, from the Queen, to the St. Vincent; G. Johnston (additional), to the Pro metheus. Purser-13. Wickham, to the Tortoise, as Storekeeper of the Island of Ascension. Surgeon—John 11. Steele, to the Resistance. Assistant-Surgeons—J. Gordon, to the Penelope, for service on the Coast of Africa; R.Douglas, to the Crane; H. H. Mackenzie, to the Caledonia; C. A. D. Newman, to the Lucifer ; John Reid, to Devonport Dock-yard, vice Newman, to the Lucifer. Clerk-in-Charge—John Bell, to the Lucifer. Second-Master—A. 1). West, to the Lucifer. Mr. W. S. Fowler, to Excellent, to qualify fof.Naval Instructor. FRIDAY NIGHT'S GAZETTE. DIVIDENDS. At the Court of Bankruptcy, Basinghall-street. W. Mett, laceman, Regent-street, Piccadilly, March 15, at twelve—R. Champion, furrier, Friday-street, City, March 15, at eleven—S. H. Smith, coach maker, Cambridge, March 15, at half-past eleven—S. Chew, flour dealer, Clipston, North amptonshire,March 15, at eleven--J. Martin, woollen ware houseman, King-street, City, M arc h 15, a t one— J . Wki t fi eld, grocer, Tooley-street, Southwark, March 15, at half-past eleven—l. Hughes, shoo maker, Chelmsford, March 15, at eleven—W. Cock, grocer, Bungay, Suffolk, March 15, at twelve—G. H. Bush, upholsterer, Edgeware-roai, March 15, at twelve. CERTIFICATES to be granted, unless cause be shown to the contrary, on the day herein-mentioned. C. D. Leeder, cattle dealer, Billingford, Norfolk, March 22 —W. Cox, money scrivener, Daventry, Northamptonshire, March 15—J. 13e/1, ship owner, Greensfield, Northumberland, March 19—T. Bentley, cloth manufacturer, Rawden, York shire, March 29—W. Wo o d, screw manufacturer, Burton upon-Trent, Staffordshire, March 16—T. W. Jones, draper, Wellington, Shropshire, March 18—R. Pusey, baker, Abing don, Berkshire, March 15—T. Donkin, victualler, Cambridge, March 15—F. Barry, miller, Rye, Sussex, March 15- 7 1'. Thorpe, plumber, Chertsey, Surrey, March 15—T. Waters, hay dealer, Pillgwenlly, Monmouthshire, March 15—B. Mus grave, dyer, Leeds, March 15—C. Leaf, warehouseman, Wood street, Cheapside, March 15—J. Edmondson, miller, Marsden, Lancashire, March 15—R. Mason, corn dealer, St. Alban's, March 15—J. Hudson, calico printer, Gale, Lancashire, March 15—J. Pearson, J cut nail manufacturer, Darlaston, March 15—D. Hague, paper manufacturer, Horsforth, York shire, March 15. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. J. and G. Mabyn, linen drapers, Bristol—G. an d T. C . Mackley, grindery warehousemen, New Inn-yard, Shorediteh —W. Curran and A. Thomas, stone dealers, Liverpool—J. Lomax and W. Wilson, ship builders, Liverpool —R. Titley and G. Bragg, wine merchants, Birmingham—J. Williams and C. Mureott, factors, Birmingham —P. Morgan, J. Mor gan, and W. Morgan, drapers, bladeley, Shropshire —G. Hemming and R. Steed, tailors, Pershore, Worcestershire— C. Tolley and E. Trimmer, brewers, Gloucestershire—R. A. Adams and R. Capell, grocers, Weedon Beck, Northampton shire—H. and D. Brook, cloth dressers, Upper Thong, York shire—J. Fielding and J. Crossley, drysalters, Halifax, York shire—C. Alexander and W. Goddard, bakers, Brixton—J. Lowe and A. Grounds, shoe makers, Billinge, Lancashire—J. George, T. Sully, J. W. Sully, J. James, and T. Nicholson, carrying on busi ness as th e P ar k- en d Coal Company—P. W. and A. H. Wagstaff, surgeons, Leighton Buzzard, Stafford shire—W. King, W. Chapman, and J. King, carpenters, Wells-row, Islington—J. Sherratt and J. Lomas, silk manu facturers, Macclesfield, Cheshire T. and H. George, builders, New Windsor. SALMON FISHING.—The fishing for salmon in the Tyne opened on the 10th inst. Several have been taken since that time, but the price continues high. The fishing season corn. menced in the Tweed on Thursday last. In consequence of the melting of the snow up the country, the river was too much swollen to admit of work being resumed at all the stations. At those, however, at which it did commence, the SUCCCSS Was very encouraging, all of them having obtained Lish, some of them six .4 1 4. Wen CaCh I —ll'ewcasyf OvcriOcr THE IkrEW FACTORIES BILL' The manner in which the new Factories Bi li affect employers and. workmen in the country distrx,'i; and especially in the woollen manufacture, ie 01 °1, the following letter from a highly respectable ela°2727f turer to a gentleman in office. We do not it . ,°7 0 ,0 it will be possible to work the Bill when the for be running only eight hours a. day, as they:' e• three fourths of the year from 1839 to. 184; Inc The children can then only be worked four, in the day I and for the pittance which dile let earn, earn, their parents will hardly be induCed• in them , work at all. We think the mill-Owfileri.„,, the woollen trade will do well to consider tbel i 7k gestions in the following letter ; and if - they 7 00 them well-foanded, to get up memorials and: PeLipt against the Bill and to send deputations to re_Pl.—The their case to Ministers and Members of ParliameT:ispo Bill goes into Committ e e next Friday, so that tli erq time to be lost. The following is the letter we have referred Wr", 4 : " Birstal, near Leeds, Feb. 17,- 18 ! r i e s " 9ir,—l have received copies of the New Fe es Bill from Mr. Aldam and Lord Ashley. The cottn," 4 „ mill-owners still entertain the strongest objectionl°o4tp half-time clause in the new Bill. A deputation certainly be sent from Batley, if we could entertaltius, opinion that our representations mou ld receive iiitentroo but all trading matters receive such slight attention e h,* the Government or the P ar li a ment, that all feel.tuer, sense of injury that no . one will troublehimseg.t,7o except in cases where the whole country can be to take an interest in the subject. • ol• eo " The clause which prevents the employment of n ob l e niore,than twelve hours d a ily, i s a good 'end . /I ;te of alteratiOn. While I freely a cknowledge and apPli t 0 (1 this change, I should be w an ti ng in duty to taY j s e ;;-es those by whom I have been formerly derit,r,„? ce liet , question, as well as to the labo u ring classes Inf'7 s ar if I did not protest against the half-time clause at i e t tis cable - to woollen mills. The case of Woollen &- peculiar, and ought not to be subjected to the esq 7 uf sr tail of legislation. Allow me, once more, W shortly the points of objection— - " In Mr. Saunders's Report the objection ofitioneut expense is mentioned, b u t h e d oes n ot allow it e uw Ftlie weight in the declining and u nprofitable stat e woollen manufacture, which it is admitted can "7, is' additional burden. As h e admits, there will be !'reor/ crease of wages necessary to procure short time P ote, as compared with full time hands, I need. not Y • r oil 'the reasons for it. I m a y j us t men tion that I * -7 0 4 garments is one, and th a t thi s w ill b e an objeetlk ,r. • their attending schools for other children. inere 9 " 2.. It will be felt to be a gr ea t h ar d s hip when who have attained to twelve years of age, are eci°3 to work for half-time wages. are iff " 3. As our country mill s wor k f o r hire, an..-4iittr gularly employed, working generally during months only .eight. hours, or merely during t u - b e folf light,—to employ children six hours, and that.onl, or after noon will subject them to inconveniencLO loss. -If we w ork only half the day, and that only l' e twelve, or after one o c l oc k, we s h a ll have to beg and,light up our mills at a great and needless i e ttil4 if we begin at noon, we shall have the cost of l e o up at night. To be compelled to employ t,ltiesobl e children fur eight hours' labour will be an ' l %9Str e l grievance. • During the last four years, our 011 7 0 e . 5P7 not been employed more than eight hours *daily greater,part of each year. ' ." 4. In - times of good trade we found it diffic u lt - tain children for piecers, because their parents f eL4. ° earn a sufficiency, and will n o t t r ouble th e mes IVO send their children early and regularly- to ,1111 "",..if difficulty will be greatly increased when only 1 "7" are to.be earned. : "5. In our country mills, to which children a 1.,. 00 4 all quarters; kauctfrom- 4fonsiderable distaneeeL': to tt e . school will often Wimpossible; 'and will be a " ii ` - ` t oe' empleyment:Of'obildren eituated.- At presettors the eight hours" system,. where any number of volor are employed,. schools are kept on the preniLlO" tbse the hUlf:•tiine:SYSteni, this cannot be done•better• dis may'now Ise.done; beside's; parents will nOt. b e 0 001, expense of mt!kirg'a, separate provision of dinner: 0 1 1 now do. .towns thehaltitime',_gYi tt i o st h , work well; but•cannot do min our country ' it t" of .w .r " 6. Nothing can show` the opproisive : natur e present short time.enactment in a more. foreikl e o c tolt r than Mr. Saunders's- own report, dated. 2 0 t" • deer last, in which it is stated that, with a n actual o,ooosof 15,000 hands, there is.a decrease in the elnPri;op°' of children under thirteen years of age of ablioteli a Taking into consideration the condition of the ;0 40:f classes, this statement, prop e rly u nderstooe• their deteriorated state, and the oppressive lvo'r the Short time clauses. * r. &O il ! " If is - not.practicable to retain the eight hoot er for woollen mills in the present temper of ar fie t bst._,' and the House of Parliamen I would submi t would be: for the benefit o f all arties to so° 4 o• 1 0 dren to enter on full work in wo o llen mil 11 , 1 :0° 11 years :of age. It. would materially 'lessen woollen millowners, benefit • the parents, a > don mote a more cordial attention to the eon: fl osi 11 ; children,. and lessen th e i n d ucemen t s to infringeiroad , ' correct observance of th e A c t. If thi s cannot be ou be rear, claule ought 'to be inserted : to enable children tt ployed eight ho urs , w h en th e m ill s -work 0 , 1 . 1 5000 e, hours; at Any rate during six hours of day.iisl," ter, When, .the mills only work that time. LT , frol is enacted in its present e x t reme character, ' it viar produce a dogged sullen acquiescence, and alert. : 0 1ir no cordial effort made, because it will be felt to •, roils ; and an undue interf erence w i t h l a b ou r. : 2," "The clause permitting the eniPloy mea t of g 1 fr, alternate Saturdays the whol e d a y is coal' there will be some difficulty about clocks;. our bbe church clOcks are so iriegulirly kept, that they very. imperfect guide. • - foi no ! e. "I am at - a loss what to say about 64 01156 ;e ° 0 1 11 cidents; it seems to ma unjust to require diiin - &ol_ millowners not required from any other del:4 0 ;0 , 1, employment. Accidents generally happen fo g ': ev o o , ness and inattention, which millowners etinn°' .40 I think there ought to be a clause restricting the s et , prosecution to cases of wilful neglect after notir„orbV:' We find that the work topic in the neighwu re ej Cif Batley are quite as strongly opposed to the. ri it•o4, tions of the now Factories Bill as their emplor ho s.:,lf f ,' we know that those of Pudsey, Farsley, act, i ; P ° 4 same objections. They feel that the half -11 70 4, sion will make the labour of .their children ' o ' e ta no value to them. The families of the poor bs ;f siff; since the commencement of the manufacturiliZoitifi in; i,: derived most. important benefit from the the children; which, when so regulated cbtl jure their health, is a positive benefit tk!' 4l " o /110 themselves.; in giving them habits of industry,. do t, . in providing for their better nourishment:atA The workpeople are, therefore, quite &lain, bile,, i/ of', prospect of the time being so arranged that t'' t be. , P: o f can. never work more than six hours, a day (ft' r t kallt,. hour-is. Merely put in to cover accidental overs the rule by a few minutes)—that geno oY e a.Pep woollen district, where the day's Work they will only be able to work five -hours.'r:oo 07 - 0 a-day,--and that in bad times, when the mill o r .b 2 /is • eight hours, they will only be able to . work i ons a-day. We last year published a letter from a o ipg_f; t o in alarge mill a few miles from Leeds, e lt re str ( w :t ei behalf of himself and his fellow- workmen; reel ' e l objections to the proposed plan. We haveJ, ll ; „ d ses communication from a meeting of the worb - 001: 0 4 Batley, written in evident and lively alarm' j u ietio clearly how the Bill will affect both their. ernP aP themselves. The following are two or thr e . t n• ! of their letter.:—. .Hill 1 , "You are right when you say it (the P" ) 00oem - et nish the income of labour:; it will to a gn at r ict, will be impossible for it to work in this clietg6ana• to a great disadvantage both to the labouriag "'" u oeo4• be millowners_, - More than anything that ev er o i irnk:# operation before. In winter time, the ek il f:e drawn out of bed at five o'clock in the W ri lide!,,i c r (in order to complete six hours' labour before out. oo and they thenlvill have to play in the arta° se •• stroying the capital of the employer in ligh tipg morning, to play the clay-light away." outraV: They call the Bill " one of the m ost • e it . • ft schemes'that Bier was invented by me. uas .W e It behoves the workmen generally, ee w e e ot i s tut i li ployers in the woolen districts, if 00 . • ;Is wi.aea redo ) siv views taken above to move instantly. shiPsb e pea r sent from Batley and the neihbouring to r° done* slio by all classes. But, if any good is to be en off tions - both of masters and a iatellirut l eork i r d b be sent up to,London, to wait on Ministeretosent: of Parliament; and as the Bill goes into .I ; oo eltat r ;', Friday next, the deputations should gO._ ateni be otherwise they will not be able to see te e. fore the Bill has passed—Leeds Mescal. to the - t' ea DEAL. —Government has sent grittilli t heir oV i nn th° three boats' crews who so intrepidly yentureu e cke° — a men e l t e a few weeks back, to save the crew of a brig l vt d iptocoll , between 30/. a t Goodwin Sand. A subscription was also en 01 sae tere the inhabitants,when : and distributed among them. Mor On sn. jt t ah h me e e2 2 s2 o d t E h iwn inst , Mrs. fi J ose p h BIRTHS . o d ß°° ' White 1141' °: Tottenham, . of a daughte. Tu O p n ma t n h7 R 2! N d ., in• o s f t. a , atßeading, Berk& the lady °- -A -' f Car tAill • On the 23d inst„ • son . ' otteab-usr"tr,e,sEt,esßezru, k-egtis'7 n : s i r c alitrioto a eon. • • as inst., f MARRIED. t ni No H rt e li nn Sh e to 1 - 1 0 0 f l! ,r s i q n ., er su p r i g a e c e e n . , of Finsbury-place South, Londou , to.. of t be • Benton, youngest daughter of Samuel Benton, k•sq, Jo seph till, Jose, On the 22d inst., at the Holy Trinity Chaith , z" l i- c rlesb ire l. ' Gee, Esq., of Cottingham and Bridlington-qua:l, vorllc°" to Elizabeth Jane, eldest daughter of Thoinas.•,,-. , Esq., of Hull. gar ." On the 22d inst., at Trinity Church, tk e l-Yelb i. , Ekins, RC.L., Rector of Sampford, Essex, Ch el sea,rh7f Jane, second daughter of the late George Hart DY ) ' e ED G On the 11th of January l D ast, at Mann heiln, jo Captain William Payne. Di f On the 12th inst., at Leamington PriOrS, Mrs. On the 20th inst., Mrs. Phoebe Money, sec° lld. "ugh"' ° the late John Priest, Esq., of Farnham. ta xer, f 4 ' On the 20th inst., Jul:a, the wife of John Whi ,f • of Hull. f ital. , ' On the 22d inst., at Charlton, Mary, the ifif B e Longlande, Esq. i, Willialll On the 22d inst., at Bolsover, near Sheiu e ' 'll6 Joseph, eldeitehild of William Rose, Esq. On the 22d inst., in Caroline-street, Eaton-6,lore' CtUni • $ Oll wife of Mr. Henry Baker. On the 22d inst., at Stoke-by-Navland, stif fen" _,. Anne, third daughter of the late E. •eiug, DK . Saro''' On the 22d inst., at Bishop's Hull, near the wife of the Rev. Dr. Everard. ancieill On the 19th inst.. M. Joseph Almorie Lou. Aloll,4yresice' ' officer of the Guards of his late Majesty s XVI. , " . 4 .' _______.----,.. 6 0 - _ --___ -- - ,„ v r,, , . London: Printed and Published by MITRPO I' d, hi tilt .• No. 112, Strand, at The Sun Of fi ce, No . Str4l l 4. .. , . i - ,0 Taunton, county of Middlesex, Monday, FebruarY 26, i° '-- ... , ..,„,,,...,,, ~...... ~ 1 TER SUN, LONDON, MONDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 26, 1844, P / Atli 4 . *4 4 titt, ~W