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PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS, MARCH 'Alt% InvING; from the Custom House, pre sented an _Account of the number of Ships, am their tonnage, employed in the Baltic Trade las] ear.—Laid on the table. The ttOort of the General Inclosure Act Ameminient Bill, was received and agreed to. STRATHMORE PEERAGE. Viszount St DmouTit presented a Petition from the Sort of the late Earl of Strathmore, praying that his claim to• the Earldom of Strathmore be acknoviiedged.--Read and referred to the Corn znittee of Privileges. The Lunatic Stock Transfer, the Nova Scotia Trade, and. the New South Wales Duties Bills were read a third time, passed, and sent to the Coinrnens.—Adjcurneo.. HOUSE .01' COMMONS. The Rouse met at four, and was engaged a considerable time upon business relating to pri vate Bills.—On the motion of Mr. WYNNE, the douse resolved that, for the future, no more than twelity orders should be entered for any rAe day, upon matters connected with public L.;lls. AUsTRIAN LO.-IN, &c. Mr. JAWS said, that he really knew not what Petitions would be received by the House, but he held one in his hand from a large portion of the inhabitants of Liverpool, complainin g of the distress which pervaded the agricultural, manu facturing, and commercial districts ; and he was not aware that there was any thing exceptionable in the language of this petition. It stated the opinion of the petitioners that the causAf that distress was to be traced to excessive taxation ; and it suggested that Ministers had better enforce layment of the sums due to this country from foreign nations, especially the sum of 20 mil hich was due from the Emperor of Aus tria. lie (Mr. J.) concurred in opinion with the petitioners, and trusted that Ministers would at tend to the subject of the petition, and thus check a growing spirit which had lately appeared, of a desire to make frequent attacks upon independ ent nations.—(lear, hear !)—lf this were not done, he should consider Ministers a party to the Holy Alliance, and that they wished for the subjugation of Naples. The calling in the Aus trian Loan would be a dreadful blow to the pre sent views of that Emperor. The lion. Member then moved, that the petition be brought up. Mr.WitoriESLEY said, he rose to notice the first sentence in the lion. Member's observa tions, and not at all to oppose the petition. The House was always ready to receive the petitions of the people ; and its door was never more open for that purpose than at present. The opinion of the lion. Member probably arose from the cir cumstance that the House had very properly re jected a p e titio n whi c h h a d b een presented the other day by the Hop. Member. Ceneral GASCOYNE said, that as the petition related to agricultural distress, he should move that the matter of it be referred to the Committee upstairs. Mr. CI;NW EN, as a Member of that Committee, Legged to assure the Gallant General that they Lad enough to do without being called upon to enforce payment of the Austrian Loan.— (.A.. Laugh.) MARRIAGE ACT. Dr. Patm.tmottE obtained leave to bring in a rill for amending the Marriage Act. CHAR' FABLE FOUNDATIONS Sir Thos. LETHBAIDGE, after some preliminary observations, moved for leave to bring in a Bill to facilitate the Execution of Trusts relating to Alms Houses and other Charitable Foundations, by enabling the Trustees to exchange the Charity Lands for others of equal value, and otherwise to perform the duties of their trust. A MEli , ink . .r. suggested, that it would be pro per to give the Trustees a power in certain cases to vll, as well as to exchange lands. Sir T. LETHBLUDGE concurred in opinion with the Hon. Member. lie had not inserted any clause to the effect proposed by the Hon. Mem ber, because he wished the Bill to be introduced into the House free from all objections ; but such a clause might be introduced at a future stage of the Bill. Leave was then given to bring in the Bill. V.AGI'. ANT LAWS. Mr. CHETWYND said, that the subject respect ing which he had given notice was of the utmost importance in every point of view. That the County Rates had increased to an alarming ex tent was notorious, and that they pressed upon the Agriculturist was equally notorious. In con sequence of decisions in the Courts of Law, it ap peared that neither money lent upon mortgage, nor mont.y in - the Funds, was liable to -contri bute to the County Hates ; and as a consequence, they, as he obser ve d b e f ore , f e ll p r i nc ip a lly upon the Agriculturists. It was generally known that the crime of vagrancy had lately increased almost be% ond measure. The late - Dr. Colqu- Loan, who was universally admitted to be well informed upon this subject, estimated thescharge of supporting wandering beggars at 15,0001. a year ; and by the best accounts it might at pre sent be taken at 50,000/. a-y ear, exclusive of the support of those who were confined in Gaols and Houses of Correction. Altogether the charge eould not be fairly taken at less than 100,0001. This might, he admitted, be attributed in some degree to the peculiarity of the times. The prin ciple upon which our Poor Laws was founded had become altered ; for that principle assumed, that every man able and willing to work could obtain employment. From various causes, it now was not the case ; and while many of the poorer classes had strong claims upon our commissera tion, there were others, whole congregations of beggars, whose sole object was plunder. Such persons, when driven to extremity, generally committed a theft for which they suffered . im prisonment. At the expiration of that imprison ment they were turned loose ; and they often, swore to different places of settlement, so that the expense of their removal was very great.-- He had known cases of such persons being passed 18 or 20 times. Ile had conversed upon this sub jcet some of tire most intelligent gaolers, who assured him that more than half their pri, soners had been beggars or poachers. With a view 'to the ultimate meaNlre he had in contemplation, it was necessary for him to establish three proposi' tions , ---the abuse, the remedy, and a necessity for the appointment of a Committee of Inquiry, in order distinctly to point out that remedy. With respect to the present Law upon this subject, he should state that he had found no less than 43 Statutes relating to vagrancy. The first, in point of date, was the sth of Edward the Third. The next was the . 10th.of henry the Seven - di. This was somewhat material, as it related_ to the pu nishment of vagrants.. The next was the '22d Statute of Henry the Eighth, whiclrdirected'the punishment of whipping-- for vagrancy ; and the next was the 27th .. 0f the same King, which im posed a severer punishment upon sturdy vaga bonds ; and declared a •third offence punishable with death. Other Statures were passed in the reigns of Elizabeth, James the First, Charles the Second, and Queen Anne ; brit these were mat ters of curious research rather than of impor tance in considering the I).resent subject.. Tire principal Statute now to be - conidered had been passed about 70 years. It was the 17th •George the Second, chapter 5. This Act gave .re_wards for the apprehension of vagrants and gave direc tions respecting the passing of them from .parish to parish, and for the hearing of appeals against those passes. Upon this Statute. coming under the consideration of the - late Lord Kenyon and Mr. Justice Ashurst, they observed the .Statute was so very inaccurately drawn, that it was very difficult to understand it. Now if those Learned Persons found a difficulty in under standing the Statute, it was not matter of sur prise that it could not be understood .by Gentle men who were Justices .of the Peace. ,With respect to the rewards provided for by'this Sta tute; he could not do better than refer. to the Police Report, prepared by an Hon. - Member not then in his place (Mr. Bennett,) whose -la bours on this subject demanded the thanks of every friend to the Country. The Report,speak- Ig of these Rewards, stated a practice among le police officers of giving money to poor peoi and then taking them up as beggars, in order to obtain the reward. This practice was stated to he very general ; and he (Mr. C.) happened to know that it was not confined to London ; the constables in the country had practised this fraud to a very considerable extent, and he was sorry to say that the Magistrates had not discounte nanced it as they ought to have done. It might probably he thought better to abolish the reward altogether ; but at all el - oils it would be desirable to modify it so as to prevent this abuse as much as possible ; for as the vagrant and the constable often conspired together, it was absolutely necessary to put an end to this in famous jobbing. Another abuse arose out of the fact that vagrants were often passed, in a stage waggon for instance, unaccompanied by any offi cer ; and as the parish allowed a sum upon the supposition that every vagrant was passed in the care of an officer, this ‘vas a fraud upon the parish.----There was a late case within his own knowledge, which occurred about two miles from Birmingham. The Officer paid ss. to the wag goner for the carriage of each vagrant, and charg ed 30s. for each to the parish ; and this occurred several hundred times in the course of the year. Then with res p ec t t o th e power o f appeal. The appeal was to the General Quarter Sessions ; but this appeal was only allowed in cases where a pass was actually issued. Upon this part of the subject, he- uuderstood many inconveniences had arisen, and especially to the parish of Step ney, to which many persons had been sent under the vulgar error, that all persons born at sea, be. long to the parish of Stepney.—(A laugh.)— Having, as he trusted, established his first pro position, he believed the second and third would necessarily follow. The Hon. Member conclud ed by mo‘ing " For a Select Committee, to in quire into, and report the practice of the laws re lating to Vagrants,and to consider the expediency of amending the same." Mr. HAl:Bonn seconded the motion at some length, but in a tone of voice almost inaudible in the Gallery. The Honourable Member spoke of the Society for the Suppression of Mendicity, as having do ne muc h goo d, an d as ten di ng to pro mote habits of industry among the poorer classes. lie stated,' that. St. George's parish,-11anover square, had 18 o ffi cers , an d t h e Society only six, and that. while the pariSh officers had in .one year apprehended only 23 vagrants, the.ofiicers of the Society had in the same time, apprehended, in that parish, a number exceeding that twenty three by upwards of 200.—(blear, hear !)—The case of Foreigners also he thought deserving of consideration. Many Foreigners who had mar rie4 and settled in this. country Were reduced in their old age; and ,applied to the Society for re lief, as they were not entitled to parochial assist ance. The Society referred them to the Consuls of their several countries. The Consuls said these people were not entitled to relief from them, as they had become domiciliated here and thus these persons were left without assistance. Another case for consideration was that of orphans and children deserted by their parents. Respecting these, doubts and difficulties had often arisen re specting the proper settlement. The next sul►- ject which he thought demanded attention was the case of acquitted prisoners: These were too often discharged without a farthing i❑ their pockets ; and being without character were ex posed to every temptation. In this situation, tainted by all the -corruption-of a prison, it was to be expected that they would return to their old companions. This part of the subject he thought well deserving the attention of the Com mittee. Mr. N. CALVERT, Mr. CARTWRIGHT, and SP ',era! other Mcrnbers spoke shortly in support of the Motion, i.nd in warm approbation of the lion. Member who brought it forward. The Motion was then agreed to, amid a Corn mittee appointed. Sir ROBERT WILSON said, that as he had a motion to bring forward of considerable import ance (respecting Naples we be , lieve), he trusted his lion. Friend, the Member for Aberdeen, would permit it to take preference of another notice which was to be brotrght before the .Rouse by his lion. Friend. Mr. IlumE said that his Motion was also of considerable importa►rce, but he had no wish to: stand in the way of any measure of his llononr able Friend. Mr. litune's Motion nits post poned. IMITATION COFFEE. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER referr&l to a communication which had passed on a former evening between !IMHOF' and a Gallant General (sir it. Wilson), respecting.certain prosecutions for selling - a powder in imitation of coffee. We could not distinctly hear the Right Hon. Gentle- Man, but we understood him to say, that any case laid before Government would meet with every' consideration. Sir ROBERT I.VILsoN begged to thank the Might Hon. Gentleman not only for the present communication, but. for the manner in which he had attended to the original representation of the circumstance. It was such as justified -the uni, versa! opinion of the conduct of that Rt. lion Gentleman in private life. Mr. licaii; gave . notice of a Motion for to morrow, for the production of certain papers ex• planatory of the Army Estimates. Lord A. llamturoN moved for an Account of the Hereditary Revenues of Scotland for the years 1818, 1819, and 18'20 ; . and an Account of all Payments lssued from the Exchequer of Scot land in those years.—Ordered. Sir G. WAR RENDER gave notice, that he should bring forward.the• Navy Estimates on Monday. AUSTRIAN LOAN. Mr. It. SMITH rose, pursuant to notice, to move for the production of certain Papers connected with the Loan due to this country from the Aus trian Empire . ; and for the payment of which, the Hon. Member stated the Emperor had pledged himself, and given security by notes upOn the Bank of Vienna. The lion. Member said, that in the year 1791, a Message front his then 'Ma jesty had been brought •down to that House, recommending•a Loan to the Austrian•Eanperor, for the purpOse of enabling him to carry on the war against France ; and• in the year 1797, a rnilar Message had• been brought down. Upon both those "Messa . fies the Loans had taken place on the security •of ' the pledge arid the notes in question ; not one sixpence of which Loans had been repaid.' In :fact, those notes were a part of the curiosities, the lions,•in the Bank of Eng land (in n hich they Were deposited), fot the in spection of those who went to look at that esta blisinnent.—(A, laugh !)—The sum • was 17 mil lions, and the loss to this country was, not only the amount qf the principal r but the amount of the interest - lalso, which was regularly. paid by this country, and which amounted to about one million annually, lie thought the House had a right to. call upon the Noble Lord to satisfy the country, by shelving .the different. ,applications made for the repayment of,this Loan, and the cor respondence which had followed those applica tions, Of the policy which governed the making of the Loan he should say nothing, but there certainly had been a distinct understanding that it was not to be considered in the nature olio subsidy. Mr. Pitt declared that it Was a loan made in the face of all the world and that there had never been any thing in the conduct of Austria to induce a belief that she would ob serve - a line of conduct which would not be less dishonourable than impolitic. Mr. Pitt even stated that he conceived the safety 9f Austria de pended upon her scrupulous •performance of her pecuniary engagements, lie afterwards spoke of the advantageous terms Upoti which the Emperor had obtained the loan. This circumstance might probably he remembered by lion. Members, as Mr. Pitt's remark produced an observation from Mr. Fox, who'referred to the pas'sage in Hamlet, speaking of the practice of C o u r t s , w hi c h n ever haggled about the price, but. always haggled about the day of payment.—(A laugh.)--Bti when a period had arrived in this country, - a which it was :doubted whether the landholde had -a, right to his estates ; when the ors 'r o things was reversed ; -when the tenant considerec it a favOur to his landlord to cultivate the ground . when the rent was paid out of capital it was no too much to consider the justice of calling in: a debt, the payment of which would, at the present moment, be. so acceptable: There could be no question of the ability of Austria to discharge it. Since the Revolution no. country had acquired such an ascendancy as Austria. The lion. Mem ber then took a geographical survey of the Aus trian Empire, its population (which he stated at thirty millions), audits national resources. The system of extortion which he said she was prae tising in Italy, appeared to declare that plunder was her only object.• Why, he asked, should not Austria be called upon to. pay a debt, the contracting of ;which enabled her to acquire her .present.bene4is.?•. LlQ.reptated,. that there...could be no question of 'her ability to pay ; for with. respect to her other engagements. She had paid off the old and a great Part of the neW•deb:.-- - -- Neither could he See any reason for abstaining to , demand the debt on the score of policy. Her commercial laws were.* as severe against this country as' against any Other, and - our refraining to demand the debt; would not only be a tacit approbation of her present proceedings, but Would make us the supporters of them.—(Cheers from the Opposition.)—Austria was th e p a -. troness of principl e s against which' we had pro tested ; and looking at what . was now passing on the Continent, the present was the most favOur able time for. demanding payment of the debt in question. The Hon. Gen:leman concluded by Imoving " For the prOductionof Copies or 'Ex tracts of all communications between the Go vernment of this country •and the Austrian• Go. .- verntnent, relating to the re-payment of sum, due to this country on account of Loans made to that Government in the years 1794 and 3797. Lord CASTLEREAGH did not rise . for the Pur pose of making any opposition to the motion 'of the lion. Member. lie only wished to Sug- I.Test, for time convenience of the llotise; that it would be better not to • discuss the question, until after the production of the papers moved for, which, arising from a correspondence of twenty-five years, were of Course•Yery volumin ous. He would 'make only' 'one or two remarks on what had-?alien from the llou. Mover, with out at all entering into the merits of the question. The Hon. Gentleman spoke of the debt of Aus tria 'being seventeen millions. He was right in that part ; for it had become so from the addi tion of interest. But originally the debt was only four millions,. and not. of the magnitude to which it w as a t present ar r i ve d. The Honour able Member .aiso sdmed_ to conceive, that it would have been becoming in his Majesty's Go yerament to have spontaneously brought forward this subject in Parliament. But he should re member that:the subject had been before Par liament at 110 distant period. In the house of Peers, in 1815, a discussion had taken place upon it, and he (Lord Castlereagh) had then had an opportunity of stating; the grounds of the for, bearance ,of this Government with respect to Austria, and the reasons then (riven:had appear ed perfectly satisfactory to both Houses. Since that period an effort had been made to realize a part of the money ; but it had not been a success ful one: On the correspondence which had taken place on that occasion would .be seen the grounds upon- which Austria refused .to comply. He did not mean to go into the merits of the question ; hut several subsidiary arrangements had been 'made with Austria subsequent to this original one without the debt being brought nearer to a settlement. He ,did _not wish to be understood as ,throwing blame on any one, but it. was a fact that arrears of subsidy were made to Austria in 1795, without setting off .the arrears of subsidy to ,the outstanding debt. The Noble Lord, in conclusion, repeated his hope that the House Would not go into a discussion of the merits of the question until the papers were produced.- They were very voluminous, and the House would see from these that there had been many difficulties in the way of settling these accounts With Austria. Sir J. NEweanT remarked, that the Noble Lord (Lord Castlereagh) seemed to think, that because five years ago there had been a discussion on. this subject in another place, that was-a satis factory reason for not goihg into the question then. As his• Hon. Friend who made this mo tion had said, whatever were the distresses of Austria formerly, thatarg,ument in her favour no longer existed, as by her own act she showed. With respect to the present motion before the House, there was not only question of a debt from Austria to this country, but one from that House to the country, which was, whether they should burden the country with fresh impositions, when there was 17 millions due to it ? lle cer tainly was surprised, when he considered that the ficst principle of the Holy Alliance was good faith, that this debt should now remain to be claimed. When the loan was made, Mr. Pitt was so satisfied as to the solidity of the Austrian faith, that he made one of the strongest asseve rations on the subject in that House that had ever been made. ' The Noble Lord opposite (Lord Castlereagh), being heir to Mr. Pitt's power and principles, must take the incumbrances with the inheritance, and with his power and principles perform xvltat he guaranteed. He (Sir J. New port) could not help recollecting the solemn pro phecy of. Mr. Fox upon that occasion, that this loan, if: made, would remain for ever a debt to this country. Lord, CasTr.r.nr.aan observed, that he had never- said the discussion whit.* had taken place in 1815, on this subject, was in any way calculated to do away the debt of Austria with this country, or the propriety of demanding it. The motion was then put and agreed to. A 11. M Y EAT I NIATEg. On the motion of the CLEANCELLOR of the Ex 7 enEon:Ea, the House resolved itself into a Com mittee of Supply. The proposed vote in supply,' of 81,458 men, for the land forces of his Majesty, the considera tion of which had been adjourned on a former evening. having been read, Mr. MACDONALD rose to redeem the pledge' which he had given to propose a...reduction of 10,000 men on the military establishments sub mitted to the House. Feeling that the discus. sion of the other night went completely in sup. port of that proposition, and knowing that many /lon. Members would follow him, among whom there were some whose knowledge and indefati gable industry -would do far more than any thing he-could effect, he would content himself- with a very few observations, by way of preface to his motion. His firm conviction was, that the case, as stated and argued on the other side, did not prove the necessity for voting more than 60,000 men, which would allow 25,000 for the Colonies, and 35,000 for the Home Service—including ar tillery and reliefs the total would be 65,000. Ire was not aware what apology the House could offer the country for voting a larger force. Nevertheless, as he and his Hon. Friends. were obliged to cons . der what was practicable, rather than what was just and desirable, he would limit the reduction which he meant to propose to 10,000, instead of moving for a reduction of'l6,ooo, -to . which the Estimates ought pro perly to he brought down. He did not pre tend to fetter or embarrass GOvernment as to the particular branch! s in which the reduction should be enforced ; whether in the new or the old Colonies, Ireland, or England, or in, what proportions from them all, he left for their deter mination. But he hoped and trusted that the Committee would concur with him that. it was high time to consider the distresses of the coun try, with a view to their relief, and that there could. not be a better commencement for such a labour than enforcing, the retrenchment of an useless and wanton expenditure.' To -do away with the effects of any 'supposed exigencies of State, he would for a moment hold the attention of the House to the consideration of the services which, were said to demand these forces. -The number of men required for the Colonies two years - ago was 30,000. Supposing Government to be so disposed, in Malta and the lonian Isles alone they might make a reduction) of 14 0r.15 hundred men ; - there would still be left 50,000 Men in arms, including artillery, for •the other ser vices of the country. There would be ten vete ran battalions, amounting to 11,000 men, about to be disbanded, Which, as experience had prov ed, being fully qualified, could at any time be brought into immediate Service. There would be 65,000 regular troops in England and Ireland; and besides these, 37,000 yeomanry cavalry, and 20,000 volunteers. Upwards of 100,000 men would be ready. for efficient service ; and look ing at the disbanded militias, which might be called out and rendered el&ctive at a very short notice, in three month s a t th e utmost, 200.000 men in arms could be callZ.l out. • The hon. Commissioner of Woods and Forests opposite, had cautioned the House .to keep the country in a state which would enable it to resist aggreSsion. It was with this view, and from an earnest desire. to uphold the honours and dignity of the coun try, that lie proposed a reduction. It was diffi cult. to say to what degree the financial embar rassments of the country must go, before they would place a .country so full of high spirit as this country was known to be, in a situation which would prevent it from resisting aggression. He could not anticipate such a period, and lie hoped the country would not survive it. But if that period were ever to arrive, it would be at tributable to the misconduct of Government in refusing to allow the country, when opportunity offered, to gain time to recruit her exhaust®d energies. It was of extreme importance that the question should be finally decided upon by the Rouse. The case was this—that out of 51 Mil lions annually collected, there were only six f nil lions available as to any view of economy or re duction: They had nothing else to look to ex cept the Sinking - Fund, which began now to fir; - nista but a dreary prospect of remedy. These were the only sources from which any saKing,s could be expected. A trifle might be saved on the collection of the revenue perhaps ; but it was only on the estimates that any subs - tan- - tial saving could be effected. He aagretted the expression of an Hon. Member opposite the other night, who had asked " what reduction could take place, the benefit of which each indi vidual could •sensibl v feel ?" lie admitted the truth of the Hon. Member's position. Bat was this a prop e r declaration, that it could do no thing effectual for the 'distresses of the people, and therefore did not deem it worth while to do that,which it had power to do? But if the House had it not in its power to make the condition of the people better, they ought to do nothing- to make it worse. lie would not then anticipate the.futere deficiencies of the revenue; probably the Chancellor of the Exchequer -had more con fidence in it; but from all that - the Right.Hou. Gentlema n heard anti saw around him he must be convinced that the present state of things re quired every exertion on the part - of the Ilouse to preVenf the general distress from becornins more oppressive. Ile moved an ameaduem, - that instead of " 81,000 men," contained in the Resolution, " 71,000" should be substituted. Sir 11. VIVIAN rose for the purpose of endea vouring to point out . to the Committee -the im practicability, in the present state of otirkarrisons abroad, of reducing the proposed vote of men. I f the Committee -referred to the Army Estimates they would find that the - numher of men • which it was proposed to retai.a in Great Britain and / Ireland was 48,630. If from thoa s were de ducted the guards and rurrisrmm.4-$l2-ev-7,1"-z-r7ttritt then the reduction of 10,000 moved f or b y the Ilonourable Uutleman, there would re main in this country no more than 20.'809 disposable troops. (An )lon. Member observed • across the Table, that there would also be the Guards.) Ile (Sir H. Vivian) did not consider the Guards as disposable troops.—(llear, hear!) lie would then advert to the subject of the ne cessary relief for our stations abroad. The Gal lant General here entered into several calcula tions to show that with so smsll a disposable force, and considering the time which it would take - to till up and discipline the skeleton regiments on their return front foreign stations, our meats after having been nine years abroad could. be allowed to remain only about three years at home before they must be sent abroad again. WoUld that be fair ? It was also necessary that we should be prepared for any sudden emergency in order to strike an effectual blow at the enemy, • and although he was. very ready to admit thit the navy was the bulwark of the country, he be lieved that 'foreign. Powers would be ninth less • likely to commit any aggression towards us if we • were prepared tvith troops to-repel it. We ought always to be prepared to maintaio the high sta tion which we held among the nations of Europe, and he trusted that Englishme n would never be altogether reduced to • what Buonaparte had in sultingly called them,' a nation of shopkeepers." Ile (Sir H. Vivian) had always supported the measures of the Noble Lord on - the Treasury Bench, because those measures had aiwayg appeared to. him to be calculated for the public good. But then Noble Lord had. better supporters in the House thau he (Sir li. V.) was. • -He had the support of the hall. Mereber . - kberdeen.—(llear, and a - laugh] )—Certain he was, that if that lion. Al - ember - continued such, proceedings as he had -commenced the otherever in!!:, the result would be a powerful accession of friends to the Noble Lord. Mr. MACDONA LD explained. Mr. N. CALvatrr supported the Amendment. There were three reductions of considerah!e magnitude, which, in his opinion, might be most advantageously made. In - the first place, he . thought we might very beneficially divest our selves of Gibraltar, which cost us half a million annually in peace, and double that amount ill war. Gibraltar had no harbotir,, it did not (as was frequently supposed) command the entrance of the Mediterranean, and he was persuaded th"t we shouid be -much better without it.. In the • second place, he thought we might save a very considerable expense b_y getting rid of all con-• nection whatever with the lonian Isles. In the third place, he thought we might reduce half the - household troops, and substitute an armed police under the authority of the civil power- . ---a means of preserving public order, which London was. the wily capital in Europe without. 'Mr. Husta expressed his dissent from the. last . speaker, with respect to Gibraltar and the lonian Islands. He only desired to see the latter co, lony forced •to maintain itself.- With reference to. wbat fallen from the lion. and Gallant Osicer opppsite (Sir Vivian) he. waq ready La,