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o',Litrt cdeJ to to the nange 3ope 50 tth line, Clarke. t accept c traffic ore pro. l e room 31eisre, 3 e COw !orolawY t of the the Bill mrn ittee LWAY )s). o'ci o " ,4 ouse, IO to the and to r. Vete vonT s to the :cot roe , t own er' brsoc h Wiled in Jere had to ot , ced that o%o°. poii ti° o'cloc k ' fide ° tsaillPg 0°2, 1' 1 ; r eelP"„ efor e u t ,C; b ut !ed , 1 V e I ht .00 0 'II. 1101 ,8 O . 3 0 ,f tlie'r L tiOn id bl the s „d u'e 11 t" l,l e 4 , p, Cyst.' Of 013 l O U „, stie c °I :his 4'l) 1)1 4 tr a • gr. , r eert e4 real' lied lb( P po' tile st ric e to so- tbe" :A .4 PREAL PARLIAMENT. b RO USE OF COMMONS, May 21. rie SP EAKER took the Chai7 a: SYOO~T L , the usual hour. POONER presented a p et i t i on f rom a gentle -11, en, whose name vs e did not h eal . pray i ng u , b e heard trop e Y counel against th e L ondon and South-Western Me itiiiti!ait;., Extension Railway en d t h e S out h-E astern Mr. WALIiER presented a petition Against the Rye sed Tentetden Railway. llete MAYNOOTH BILL. CUSINIING BRUCE presented petitions from e Peebles, North Leith, Edinburgh, and various othr grateb:3ant...ate_gainst the Ministerial measure for the increased signed Maynooth: that . from Edinburgh was ~,:a . 'leo persons, including Dr. Dewar, Dr. Hunter,. and oth er eminent divines. 'l°liel CONOLLY presented a petition from several ePlazi,Atfinlier:s.ibiptuttalrieLlainedialgoainvsAt R th i e ) grant to Maynooth. presented a petition from to le, signed chiefly by the Roman Catholics of that co:nprising also the names of t the other influential inhabitants, in favour of the de- Mr, maeor a i nd . t i e s ftse atm il grant to Maynooth, which the petitioner • g1) 1 -" as " a wise and foresighted measure." kr. BE A . r. A, ' wi t haive A RD sem against preselect' a p titio t ugs for the from Green the lsw of debt or tee d creditor, as at pre ee - "istillg, and prayi ng f or t h e esta bli s h ment o f l oca l bett omotion ofjustice. Mr. ' ORBES el ; r p e r sente d a peti.iou from Sterling Mast the grant to , Maynooth. f o r ' 1-)IVETT presented a %petition from:Ewer in 4,tir of that measure. SeetT.ll. BALDWIN presented petitions against the st:tlityi tilErinist:e:angualati a ni i : l it w aA a t)ih y aAe. E yg e rN t a e iol n t s o i t o To n ii s l an a3 d m t o h o e t , .Ashton h o and h were pre ' e " '1 Mr. Dugdale, Mr. Bowes, aud Dr. INic IRISH BANKING. re l'h e Lord es and ofthe Aldermen of the eity orb -- eeayor two ad ti t ti l o niti.3toe u k b n Eippeared at the bar, and presenucl a pe 'Q. 4 f roln the corperation, praying that the Hibernian Biiikieg Company, and other new j r o e i vi. si e l ' e t b atiks in Ireland, should be included in the in eeon ' t o r3 f ,. th e new Bill for the regulation of banking that r. . tet o w oi lerami sae. yita. :I:Les:1000:1Ni Poo [Ramp on r o e n s b e a r n n o Derbytduegdh u c p t .i againstsr p : t o rh_ r 6e t n la Rai g ify r yt at ai h : i_ e et „LaYnooth. A JOI e 0,,, i the Nottingham and Leicester .ts, . y kr p v i ,,. kr..6,, I,i'INGTON moved for leave of absence to sh. ilvirswell for a fortnight.—Agreed to. _ kr. it- ;PT.,'ERTON moved for leave of absence to ; The ll e s t n ‘l. for three weeks.—Agreed to. 41:,ptttisecereasapt:'i°hiee Pjnie c Tolls B i i e ll a pa c s a s r e r d ie t r h s ir B ug il h i. Com eee - ana. ompan . Mr. A. s „were ordered to be received on Wednesday Malt brawh' "ifIRIEN moved the second reading of the lt iteer 1 , - e • c "ac i lt Bill, and believing that it was not the tliat '::--, - the Government to oppose it, he sug'eeka. Mr. (;", ° , lll d be ordered to be committed that day k)1111 (;Ault] feared that the Hon. M '441 alnptoeshire had mistaken the feeling of . t-lli th h e ewr G fo o r - jetti t r i t towards the Bill ; he believed some serious r o a b : eiple 1) 0 1 rte enterteined against it, and as to the_ . p i b k s l e 1:W. 1 , it was, to say the least, equiyocal I was t A 15 11 r. "" °'B RlEexplained that the principle of the °' teal. ° P l ace a draw be had under steedi 88 an article of food fo:" cattle, and l eack on the too general adoption quer, that on. Friend the th e Nu hi s I/ taeau,: at he was inclined to givehis Si r W . ', "" assent to the k isend rEEL assured the Hon. Member that he "ad txore ersteod the observations of the Chencellot• of . il l thp g i ll "' The greatest difficulties were anticipated be d I:urtherance of the Bill, and at the least it would , rt eirabi e to postpon e its consideration. pettpolitacctlhirseda a d y inL e o h f . the Bill was consequently kr et AN GLES tarot: 'ANGLES said, that seeing the Right Ho: : ce.,,Z ic his place, he wished to ask a question co les ko e, the proceedings of the East India Board with (e t ih,er s ` l , t° lrele. Since the possession of that province Ties had been no information laid before the it a i s . to the mode under which that province 't be governed. He thought, therefore, that Er lt \Las tot mi:placed if he asked, in the titleeTee, under what jurisdiction Sind . e had been placed were dine occupation; secondly, what its revenues _ ve _, see to g front; and, thirdly, by whom they were received, t'l th e Wullt PUrposes they were applied? It was ?orl Nei, Constitution of England that revenues should be Sued W ithout any notice being given to Parliament of siritbAPiication. . ' l ett t i . '" PEEL said that it was usual, upon the aecnqamseiit *lts „,acY territory in India, to place it, as tor s 1-I.Bible, under the direction of the Boa p rd iae g o:f d D a l a r d eca er ateth ;,rind-nhe first instance, however, iiction of the Secret Commitittewe'as Hon. Member letitnen,t lay the information which the he could do so He could not wit red ° efere the House, but as would give all th e inF e L r e.iudic e to the public service so . on h a e s : 4 t j, ation in his-power. . ' B k the 7 AN GLES only required information the espedcist thet „-itilieial and financial arrangements of . si th t e eci i t . g li l ' i the al certainly await the conv . enience d o e_ f Baronet fur the details which he MAYOOTI-1 ENDOWMENT BILL— ,,,,,P9OUHNED DEBATE. . e ° l onel tahheciS elvigeeijattotviee% 1" 4 otb grant presented several petitions against Colonel grant lien ' ht ra presented petitions for Ileirite, b ut 'f.,'ItNER then rose to resume the adjourned 'ant Gentle 'l. 8°1 " minutes the Honourable and GT il tr ge we . in a e rl d W h aS inaudible, in consequence of the ilue .a nothing We uncle -1 honourable Members leaving the 11:44eY"inhatdtuced himrtsotood but an imthpeerHatoinveousreanbsle of G dutyentle Gentleman would trespass upon the House on the a 4Peeek occasion, lie had not prepared himself with Said he.-- -,-eers,) He had heard of an officer, who 4 (1 f t) , W h ( !ual rather fight a battle than make a speech, *elk lB (Colone Verner's) part, he would rather The it', en tY 'tiles , than have to make a speech._ t he nil g ' tt lion. Baronet spoke in a tone of triumph of this se Tlce 01 the great bulk of the Irish Protestants on frimiuJect, but it did not arise from any indifference or see ~Y feeling towards the Bill, but from dtrersecution. Again, many' Protestants were ren fear of danger 44 .Pathetic by the ' mode in which these petitions et ehit'llien treated in this House. Manufactories the es e ri e "moor had been established in Ireland for tdi e to the gent 7, but these manufactories were not IleNdsuPPly the increasing demands upon them. The dal party were allowed to meet and agitate, I re tut' P rotestan ts of the north of Ireland The Placed under severe restrictions.—(Hear.) lc °f the Proceedings . of the Presby %o, l c ' i f Belf t Mit vi m not - a s . according to the letter of ra l a )r t: ke,that thbecause they objected to the A - "eti il l .. eY were fully aware of the manner in lie ' it oila lr e petitions would be received in that House. liteP°llltl tro u t iag was prevalent in Armagh. kn.,lkt w as() le the House with only one letter more, th e - uerth en in a Protestant clergyman. The Gallant 1 a res.__ read the letter, which was in substance that I e 'NZ" the writer alleged for the Protestants of r 4lieeTl4 Petitioni ,•, te e ,_ . eeeeti the l g against tnemeasur , was because they IJ;It:Pt• Il e , en Y would be treated. hopswi e t h h e scorn and d it would tipp, itr ",s, continued by saying if ee7:ln se Lent he had taken too much upon him at - ? t ag that the Protestants of Ireland all his of rienee "OUrable to this measure. I,‘ I neas u as 4 Metnbe r of Parliament he n l e n verheard il- e ;:. age rtt re en t ,hat had so little to recommend it as this. tleh' - 'eth stt 1 ... , used in its favour appeared to him to Le Ile n a meoe ° fi fty years the Government had bean ori,...rmtnid now they would do a greater wrong. r;7kai,,t;uwhen the Right Hon. Baronet at the head th t i 4 e then I!Governtnent proposed a remedial measure b,,,_ 51%sur thtUrhed state of would Iti'e dowf! she egad not have the desired effect, he Irelan 1, he said that if t11,(e01.v7 tnis house and ask for additional powers. Let 40 e deni te l 4 . ? II "Th*r) ask had agitation in Ireland ceased since l ith 11 after ed that it had - on the contrary, con haa ou t ,„.? concession had been made to Ireland ' been -- -r eject. tea lb 11-ILI wit° h ' -e. As to those Honourable Gentle ') %ai d eheved A more than sufficient concession the doctrines taught at May no, h, *l e th ',e2 o t t e l e lY si s ay be did not understand what they in ant t he t° ' he s of a belief in such doctrines, when the e y . eh 421) wh -11Pmrte and propogated at the expense t tat 4, - dtffered from them. He would very r i ntt. u. 4 it • Itli rod • th e% t z eul ace into the house his opinion to - ntt the til h d e th Y h w aY, hut he could not refrain from stating.., cr -'' thought it of more importance that the fund, ilel.4Btanti:ather awarded for the propagation of a pti , r ) e . Ilot clii i)ll tn. than for the spread of the Roman Cc' could .4: s 4 frai e ' f There was one observation that he i te l th at leaking, and that referred to some o d h e. - t ipei v thiel l, !` t h ad been made in the course of the . - N ot. fe atti In his opinion, tended to compromise a prie l 'aori, ° the r t : ; (4. British feeling. Ile could not but I N Lee n wre.se than that the present proposed measure a , :ed beterung from the Ministry by fear, although it he ti r eall y t rr ' (l ll eh to say so. If the Maynooth measure aepre w.Stori of What be wrung from Ministers, from the e_ N ti ,''d tell t the repeal party would do in Ireland, he . Le B '4 of i;" 11 to place their trust in the wisdom and Put t c.gilshruen, and at once let a termination this r e e s 4tu t's ‘ovottLeir doubts. lie warned them that le ' v oul i t t t" not answer the result they desired, t ( i , _ ~. et the In know conciliate the repeal ',Arty of Ireland.. rs th, th e g what Ireland really wan ,!). k ba--- (C "clement ascertain what would satisfy tie 1 , enti eu l he hce do e laughter. He could assure lite do se.urahle Baronet that this measure would rennet f qn), I le had told him so in the most st s , i e ric e ‘ s ' a. ld he repeated again that this measure to ,e e 4ft __ Miry them. The Government had trfle, 'le 0 a fter N 'es ' i c.) e'hi°ll with that country. They had made ete 4 thi, concession. They had made another con [ treaear, which would be followed Biqa:o sh 1 % It was but - hand roper that the „eld °aid k rig t p by another :se e 1 wha t ~ now the worst, that they should under "ad te '"eY had to expe ct—and the whole that sp s " i i ,, t they" oe,Peet, and then they would be prepared, as 14 re Bfte-e.4"1 P o ssibly be, for anything that might ther:BPeriee'arcis• They would have the opportunite t ' resoe,,,_ themselves for any after coneession tha 144-tre IVitnent in its wisd •h b 'nelined to grant. W A RILY v om mi g te ' H that Pas, It eel), ANE could assure the ouse - ttt4,B,l)essihre his o bservations to as limited a coin `est le r e4s e • lie felt it necessary in a few words to I %..i tE) he ..ics why he supported this measure, seeing Rtt eh 114,1'4 received several letters expo3tulating kr:: li irt m up( ) 1113011 the' vote which he had th at 1 :. th e . previous stage of this 13111. t.i, ' e l t° time the increase of population had been so ttel4spitito,,r,equire an increase of the body who supplied rlt tei Vat 1144tt necessities of Ireland. He should have )448 *4l° ea tqline ` ease to the income s oe those indivi 40eithi_PPlied that want would not be considered v' ' l3 " he must confess that he cared not 59 much for that as for the principle of providing for the perience, added to the example presented them in Russia religion of the majority of the people of that country; —he continued in the same opinion ;he would ask him, eiel be did think that if it had been so contrary as it were his fears all abandoned—was his alarm mitigated ? was represent( d to be to the sentiments of the And be felt curious to know, would the man who told people of England, they would have had annual and them, in 1838, that his fears were justified, tell repeated meetings at Exeterehell to express the feelings the m, in 1845, that- those fears were ground of the. people against it. The grant, he must confess, less, unworthy, and fanatical ?—(Leud cheers.) derived in his opinion great importance from the If it was desired to govern Ireland wisely and well, this way in which her Majesty's Government had acted in result could not be accomplished by puttiltg the reins of making the grant. Their mode of proceeding evi- Governmentsinto the handsof Irish bishops and a Malan dently. . showed that there was to be a new policy Catholic hierarchy. This plan had been pursued in pursued with respect to religion. Sir R. Inglis, and the France, but what had been the consequences ? Why, Gentlemen who had acted with him, had endeavoured to the Government bad been shaken to its centre, and anar fasten on her Majesty's Government last night, chy, confusion, and bloodshed had been the result.— a disregard of the wishes of the people ; but (Hear, hear.) And this, probably, might be the un he had found that the dislike of the people happy effects in Great Britain. Religious peace and pri of this country was rather to the source from vileges were not to be scorned, and he would appeal to which the means were to be derived, than to the his Right Hon. Friend the Secretary of State whether purpose to which those means were to be applied. these things were to be obtained by the policy now pur He had himself presented many petitions against this sued towards Ireland. His Right Hoe. Friend wished Bill, -but there was not one which did not dwell on to allay the agitation in Ireland, but, he would ask, was that particular point. It seemed to him that there the present measure the best means to do so ? When could he no grounds whatever for the objections the measure for Maynooth was originally proposed, the rah,ed by the -Honourable Colonel who had just agitation in Ireland was nearly quieted. The receipts in sat dowr, and the Right Honourable Baronet the the Conciliation Hall had been diminished, and the Member for Oxford, and by the Recorder for the City monster meetings had eearly ceased. He would tell of Lunion. They at least - were not opposed to cedes'. the Government that the moment the announcement a-.tieul endowments. They would hive no objection to of the proposed measure bad reached the Irish shore, extend them, provided those extensions were made to agitation bad been re-commenced. The consequerces the church to which they belonged.—(Hear, hear.) were, that assemblies had been held, of so portentous a It did not seem to him, therefore, that that principle character, that a question was asked by an Honourable was founded on religious grounds. He could not under- Member the other night to know what was the meaning stand how lion. Members could imagine that Ireland of these meetings. Ile would inquire, was it intended could be governed successfully by the system of exclud • to make the Roman Catholic priesthood amenable to the ing from the benefits of State provisions six millions of law, or was it intended to render the law subject to the people, ought of a population of eight millions. He had hierarchy ? Was the law to be placed under the domi not heard the Hon. Gentleman state by what other sys- nation of any body of ecclesiastics of any class ? He teen Ireland could be governed than that of concession. should be told that this state of things was foreign to the The Hon. Member who had j us t spok e n had said that first principles of the Constitution. It was well ; but he concession after concession had been made, ard yet would say that the priesthood of Ireland were to be there was no benefit derived. Was be (Lord H. Vane) found the firmest and most unflinching friends and ad to think that the Hon. Gentleman desired to govern Ire- vacates of repeal, and, therefore, no peace could be had land by force ? He would like to know whether that with the Homan Ca:holic hiera;chy, for it was pledged had not been tried—whetherit had not been unsuccessful, to agitation, and to such was the government of Ireland and whether on account of its non-success the Govern- to be delivered. To this tour: e he felt sure the Right went had been obliged to adopt the principle of con- Hon. Baronet the Secretary for Ireland would obj ec t. cession which hail been so long recommended to them ? The cases ho hail quoted from at a former period, re- There was one argument which he had heard, that cer • gardine, the conversion of Roman Catholics to Pro taio parties, rather than consent to this measure, would testeetism, would give no peace to Ireland, even concede repeal ; and they gave.this reason, that they if all its inhabitants were changed from their original could never agree to endow a religion from which they belief: Ile would refer the House to the report that had so widely differed. But they should remember that been mad,, and if they recurred to the trial at Tralee, while the doctrines of Roman Catholicism remained the they would find his statements confirmed in ese ry parti principles of the greet majority of the people of Ireland, cular, as to the part taken by the Catholic priests in this was the only m ;de by which justice could be ren- suborning witnesses, to make a pretended declaration of dered an injured, and conciliation made to an exasperated, faith in the Protestant religion. From a report, also, people. Deeming the propositioli expedient, because it which had been made by a Committee of the House in was just, he should give the Government, in their 1835, it would be found that Roman Catholic priests had attempt to accomplish it, his most sincere and cordial on many occasions instigated and persuaded the ignorant support.—(Cheera.) peasantry to take part in opposing the just and legal Mr. COLQUHOUN would abstain from treating the claims which their landlords had on them. The Hon. question in a religious or polemical point of view, as it Baronet might disapprove of these statements, but he had already been discussed in that form so ably, by the could not controvert them. And again, in 1839, he had Itght Hon. Baronet the Member for the University of heard of a man who had been condemned by the magis- Oxterd, last night, although the dense and most legi- tracy, but because he had served the priesthood, they mate feeling of the country decidedly was opposed to it had stepped forward unanimously as a body to protect on those grounds. But ho would rather treat it as a the criminal from the sentence so richly deserved, and to question of State policy, and follow the Noble Lord who snatch the just victim of the law from the hands preceded him, in considering it in that light. The rea- of justice. There was another circumstance, too, in son why this petition had not been signed by more than Ireland, which would not be tolerated in scarcely nine clergymen was, because, as the Bishop of Cashel any other country on the face of the earth. A priest had stated to him, it had not been sent to him in time, there might denounce a man from the altar. He would before the nine clergymen who had signed it had un- inquire was it not inconsistent with the liberty of the guardedly put it in the newspapers.—(Laughter.) He subject, and contrary to the law, that any person'should could not see that there was anything very ludicrous in be pubhcly exposed, and held up to party vengeance at that, His correspondent further stated that he had got the mere whim of a Popish priest?—(Hear, hear.) The another petition, signed in Dublin by over 260 Protestant Hon. Member then read a statement from a paper which clergymen, and that, in fact, the Protestant clergymen of he held in his hand of a case of prosecution in which leeland were unanimously against it. If his Right Hon. the plaintiff had been denounced by the priest, and on Friend understood the position of Ireland as well as his the same evening that the curse was uttered the unfor friend the Recorder did, he would not be surprised at tunate victim was murdered. He would ask the ques. the Protestant clergy mot coming forward uponoceasions tion then whether any ecclesiastic was authorised of this kind, because they dreaded being denounced by by his religion to denounce any man? He was quite sa the Roman Catholic priests. He had received two letters, tisfied that no Ministry could ever succeed in governing one of which was from the Rev. Mr. Pool, who lived in Ireland by means of the priests. He would ask the County Tipperary, and the writer stated that in his whether the College of Maynooth had ever produced, parish there were eight Prouotants upon whom mur- during the fifty years it had been established, any per derous assaults had been committed ; four of these had son, who, by his learning and attainments, had added fallen victims, and two had been mutilated for life. anything to the literature of the country? With the This showed the state of alarm in which the Rev. Gen- exception of Dr. Miele and Dr. Higgins, who were tleman lived. The other gentleman, whose letter he both great writers in newspapers, and in the habit of held in his hand, was a clergyman of the name or fulminating in broad sheets their peculiar opinions, he O'Grady, who lived near Castlecary. He stated that believed Maynooth had never produced any literary he and another clergyman had been attacked on character of any note. It was a blunder to _sup their way to church. He said he knew of nothing that pose the Irish people would be satisfied with he had done to give offence, except that he had been the large endowment of Maynooth, and that the agita the means of converting two Roman Catholic families.— tion regnant in the sister country could be calmed by it. (Hear. hear, from Mr. Sergeant Murphy.) Did the To suppose so was contrary to reason and common Hon. Gentleman mean by that cheer that the people of sense. The Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Go- Ireland were in such a state of vassalage that they dared vernment, by insisting on the measure, had split his not change their religion if they pleased ?—(Cheers.) party into pieces, had caused confusion and jealousy- He would now briefly state bis objections to this mea- amongst those who were before united, and lout driven sure. When the Conservative party were in Opposition, from his side his firmest friends, to enjoy. for a brief the House must well recollect the position which they season, a victory gained over his former supporters and took with respect to Irish affairs. If that party wished earliest associates. to maintain a character for consistency, they ought to Mr. MACKENZIE then rose, and said he would adhere to those principles which they maintained when trespass on the attention of the House for only a very in Opposition. However strong the feeling of the lower few minutes. He had not been understood in an expla classes of Protestants in Ireland against the Catholics, nation he had lately given in another place on the he thought that the feeling amongst the better classes matter of the Maynooth question. He spoke at Peebles, had been much modified. As far as the Roman Catho- before people who had great confidence in his honour, lies were concerned, he believed that the better party but his speech had been misrepresented. What he said then in Ireland had a desire to put a stop to that agita- was, that the small greet to Maynooth had done mis don which was at present existing in that coun- chief, and that he would support the large grant as an try, and which prevented the introduction of experiment. He further recommended the people of capital into Ireland. If the Government would Ireland on that occasion to cherish the Ueion as the act on a straightforward principle, they would have a people of Scotland had done, to repudiate agitation, and strong Roman Catholic party upon their side. The Go. to devote themselves to the cultivation of the land. This vernment, however, seem inclined to conciliate the par- was a slight sketch of his speech at Peebles, and such ties which were now agitating Ireland. One party had were still his opinions. a powerful organ called the Nation. Its articles were Mr. WYSE thought the tenor of the speech of the full of vigour, fire, and animation, and he had read them Hon. Gentleman the Member for Newcastle was far from with much pleasure. Indeed, they were so well written, being satisfactory, and wasniuch inorelikaly to excite than that it almost made one wish to be a rebel to write such to allay agitation in Ireland. He did not recognise eitherin fiery language and to read such writing. This party, the numb. rof the petitions, or of the signatures, what therefore, was a dangerous - one, and it was most dan- might be termed the universal will of the people of Eng gerous to attempt to admit its claims. Whit had been the land, or anything approaching to it. Every mode had conduct of the Government in dealing with these parties been resorted to to inflame the public mind on thi, ques in Ireland ? They brought in the Bequests Act last tion, and he would ask those who boasted of a million of session, and no objection was to b e rais e d to that men- signatures, why they had not paid the same attention to sure. It had, however, been denounced by a large party petitions signed by 800,000 of 'he Irish people for revi in Ireland ; but it was applauded by the Young Ireland sum into the State trials ?—(Hear, hear.) The peti party, or the party represented by the Nation. Mr. tioners might be classed under three heads—those who O'Connell, in Conciliation Hall, had said, that before he thought it a misapplication of the public money upon could give it his support he must have the imprimatur financial considerations—those who were opposed to en. of the Catholic clergy. The Nation contended that no lowment—anti those who opposed it on religious reference was to be made to the clergy. In this, how- grounds. He thought the financial argument so weak ever, the two parties were cordially agreed, namely, that it could not be entertained by any sensible man.— in the wish for the severance of England from Ireland. (The Hon. Member read an extract from a petition The Irish part of her Majesty's Government was not so which prayed against the grant oil this ground.) If the strong as the English part of the Government, while it English people objected to the grant because it was applied ought to hare been the strongest. The Nation, or re- to exclusively Irish purposes, he would answer them by publican party in Ireland, said this, and agitation of sating that Ireland contributed in return towards the course sprang up. There was the agitation of the support of English and Scotch establishments. It O'Connell-party, and the agitation of the Nation party, should be recollected that at the time of the union the both parties having one object—the severance of the debt of England was 400,000,0001., whilst the debt of two countries. Such was the state of the north of Ire Ireland was only 23,000,0001, and taxation upon Ireland land at the time of the monster meetings that the Under- had increased in proportion, as w.as admitted by a Secretary for Ireland had declared his conviction that Committee of that House. Then as regarded the l'ro the peace of those districts was seriously threatened. A testant Church, was there not ample evidence to show circumstance had been reported to him (the Under- that immense sums were devoted to the maintenance of Secretary) that a Roman Catholic and a Protestant who the Protestant Church, even in Catholic districts. The had been previously walking together in feelings of Commissioners of Public Instruction in Ireland had re perfect amity, had then separated in jealous defiance; ported, that out of 2,000 parishes of which Ireland was each went out at night armed, having his house bar- composed, 217 of them did not contain a single Protes ricaded, and lived in distrust, if not hatred, towards the tant, and yet a Protestant rector and a Protestant church other. His Hon. Friend, Mr. Lucas, had felt that were supported in them. Another return showed that if the Irish Protestants rose in the north, the Roman in 1776 the Roman Catholic population was 1,300,000; Catholics in the south would be equally exaspe- the Episcopalian, 545,000. In 1834 the Catholic popu rated, and the peace of the country be endan- latiou was more than 7,000,000, whilst there were only gered. In that emergency he sought for powers to 752,000 Episcopalians. 'rho Catholio landed proprietors prevent a crisis which could only be followed by the were obliged to contribute towards the support of most fatal consequences. He had applied for powers, the Protestant Church as well as their own, and the but to whom ? Was it to the military Was it to the expense of maintaining the Catholic clergy was very constabulary ? No, he entrusted the safety of Ireland to large, thus the Irish people were obliged to support two the Protestant Church, and to the clergy of that coun- Churches. There were 2,000 parish priests. 1,128 try.—(Hear, hear) He besought them to use all - their curates, besides the bishops, whom the Catholics paid. influence over the naturally iiritated• feelings of their At the time Maynooth was founded there were no leis flocks ; they had, to their honour, adopted that course ; than twenty-set en professors, and 278 Irish students in and to them, he feared not to avow, was owing the pre- the colleges of France, Spain, Portugal, and Italy. He servation of the peace et* Ireland.—(Cheers.) If such was not prepared to say, either there or elsewhere, that had been the course of the Protestant Church in Ireland, the Catholic Church in Ireland would ba prepared to what had been the conduct of that House towards it ? take upon it any alliance with the State if any restrics (Hear, hear.) Why, when that Church approached the tion were to be put on its discipline. If the Catholic Government with a request—not asking for sordid emo- Church were to be endowed, he did not see why the lument, nor for increased revenues, but asking for secu- monastic institutions should not be endowed also. But rity throughout the country, urging truly," You have put this grant. was entirely different in character from any down our Protestant associations, put down also repeal which involved the tenets of the Catholic Church. The organisation; vou have put down our Orange lodges, put grant when once out of their hands would be beyond down their monster meetings." And . when' they asked their reach. Its object was to elevate the Roman for a grant to their schools, as was accorded the Catholic clergy in the country. He believed that there English Dissenters, not wishing to put down the system was no opposition to this object, but it was opposed of national education, though from its principles they because it was likely to promote the tenets of the Ca conscientiously differed, but asking the House to give tholic Church. Yet as hen-the Regium Donum was given them, for the instruction of their 100,000 Protestant to the Presbyterians, and when any gift was to be made children the same as they freely bestowed on the 35,000 to the Dissenters, no mention was made of the tenets of Roman Catholic children, what was the Right Hon. the party on whom the gift was bestowed, and it was Baronet's reply ?—(Cheers) When the request was only when the Human Catholic Church was in question preferred by the meekest prelate on either Bench, dig- that any fear was entertained, or any obloquy was nified by noble blood, but better by Christian charity, thrown out. And this brought him to the third point of more ennobling than the proudest lineage, his praye r hie 'observations. Many petitions had been pre was treated with indifference, he might almost say seined in that House, in which the Catholic Church had with haughtiness and incivility.—(Hear.) And now, been charged with all sorts of evils. Why this was forsooth, this measure was proposed to pacify the people going back to the days of Lord George Gordon, when all of Ireland, to conciliate, to affiliatel—(Bear, hear.) But the virulence of sectarian zeal was let forth, in order to what had its reception there already evinced ? The crush the freedom of religious opinion, The Roman Notion of the 3d of May last contained an article scoffing Catholic religion had been charged with the abomina and spurning it 5s a sop, and that was the feeling of the dons of anti-Christ, hut he should like to know when important section it reoresented--(Hear, • hear)—and anti-Christ lived and when he died. He would beg Dr. Higgins, whom the Right Hon. Baronet was so fond them to remember that the Catholics were Christians, of quoting as an authority, had spoken equally plain. and he should wish them to remember that many princi- But if they wanted a proof of the working of such a sys- pies were entertained in common, and if the Catholic tem as the one now proposed, they had only to look at religion was false, how was it that it had lived so long ? France, where the Monarch had been obliged to entreat The charge of persecution had been thrown out, but he the leader of the Opposition to extricate him from the might retort it on those by whom it had been applied. difficulties whieh the Roman Catholic establishments By far t h e b e tt er plan would be to sink all differences, had entailed. If such were the danger attending a sys- and to avoid those disputes 'which plucked out cf the tem in a country where the Bishops and clergy of the Gospel the bright gem of charity, and tended to divide Roman Catholic Church were nominated by the Go- men from each other, and to excite those points of dif vernment, and therefore fettered by the obliga ference and oivision which was opposed to every in tions, and kept in submission to the yoke terest of humanity. We should hear no more of these of their supporters, what was to be expected charges. Many extracts had been made from the pas from establishments held under no controul ? sages of certain books of the Catholics, and an attempt The Parliament here had no such hold on the Church of was made to fix upon them certain principles which Ireland, they possessed no veto in the nomination of they could not acknowledge. In a speech of his on a their bishops, they could not degrade fur misconduct, former occasion, he had made quotations from the books nor punish for resistance. Yet, with all these advan- of the Protestants to show their equally objectionable cages on the side of France, what was its position ? The sentiments. He had done this with no view to recrimi- Right Hon. Baronet, in 1838, in adopting the views of nation—with no object to throw a false colour on the the Member for Selkirkshire, who, to his honour, had character of their opponents. In doing thi s h e h ad preferred principle to place, a somewhat more creditable been - accused of uttering words which were not in course than another Member, who had preferred place to Luther's works, but such was not the case. He had either principle or reason—(l.4nd cries of " Hear, acted honestly, and he did not ascribe any false princi hear")—had talked of the progress, not of Popery—for pies to the Protestants, because he believed that any that word had been sacredly guarded from even escaping isolated passages should give a colour to a whole creed. the lips of the Right Hon. Baronet—nor of the Roman An attempt had been made to attach to - the Roman Ca- Catholics, but of that section of the Roman Catholics tholic priests an imputation of sedition ; but it should be in Europe, who wished to subordinate civil recollected that many of these priests were innoa alliance c i e t government to ecclesiastical rule.—(Hear, hear.) with the Engl ish S tate. If there was any sedition, He would ask him whether, after the recent experience was to be ascribed to their own system and its laws, and of France, reduced to such straits as that country was was occasiofied by the principle adopted in 1688. The by the ultraluoutaue party—whether, after such ex. Cathclici had, it was_ true, acted with energy of late, but they had their associations, with O'Connell at their head, and the priest of the present day could act with a courage of which the priest in 1796 would not dare to conceive. They should recollect that the Irish people were now aware of their rights and of their power. They felt that they were now worthy to stand by the side of Englishmen—they felt their own growing power and wealth, and the results of their application to industry. Let them, then, not hear any more of toleration.— (Hear, hear.) The Catholics of Ireland felt that they were entitled to be leok,d upon as an integral portion of the empire, as those wh were to be considered with a re ference to their numbers, and their wealth, and he antici pated therefore the passing of this vote as a measure of necessary justice, but he would not assume an attitude of defiance; he would not replicate on their opponents, but would on the contrary meet them in a spirit of harmony, and trust hereafter both Catholic and Protestant would go on togethi-i in a spirit of harmony, and mutually assist in premed: g the general benefit.—(Cheers ) Mr. I)ARBY said, that respect to the question now before the House, he (Mr. Darby) had looked at various times over the Acts of Parliament, and on re viewing the whole subject, he came to the cenclusion that the object of the Act of Parliament was not the propagation ot* 11,,man Catholic principles, but a desire to keep out revolutionary doctrines. The College of Mayneoth ens -f unded with that view, and it was ex pected that those who professed tie Roman Catholic faith would have supported it. He had heard a Right Hon. M. mber (Mr. Macaulay as we understood) speak of secular education, but the present endowment went beyond that. They were now about to grant an endowment over which they could afterwards have no control, and the House had received no assu ranceaa extendthey could still fujratdhge judge from frm t that the Gover nment would not, at a future period, Baronet, he thou g ht t h at the College of Maynoot h was Right Hon. benefits he to sp t t h t a ?e t h in o s f ti t t h e a ti4)ll. As far likely to look fur still greater assistance. It had been asked why was Belgium sati,fied, and why were other Roman Catholic countries satisfied? He should answer, simply b.cause they were Raman Catholic countries, with a Roman Catholic E:tab:ished Church. Hen. Gen tlemen sp ke of past revolutions. lie (Mr. Darby) would tell these Hon. Members that no revolution had ever taken place in that country that was not in its very origin and nature a religious revolution ; and he believed aat the objection this country entertained to the measure before the House had its foundation in that which had originated those very revolutions—he meant religious scruples. lie considered that that was really the principle on which the people throughout the country opposed this grant. If the Right Hon. Baronet should tell him that they intended to go still further after this feeling had been exhibited, he should then ask that Right Hon. Gentleman if he thought that the an tagonistic principle which characte-iced the clift,rent sects of religion in that country—he would ask if he expected that antagonistic principle would altogether cease,and the Protestant people of this country become indifferent to the further extension of Roman Catholic principles? Hon. Gentlemen had spoken of Protestant ascendancy in Ireland. If by that was meant a display-of party ban ners or party processions, he, for one, would regret the existence of such an ascendancy. But, if by Protestant ascendancy was meant that principle which had seated the present family on the throne, that principle which form. d the basis of their laws, and was intermixed with their very Constitution, he said then that, as an admirer of the British Constitution, he should support that Pro testant ascendancy. To that extent and to that only, he repeated, he would maintain Protestant ascendancy, for when that ascendancy ceased, he believed the Constitu tion of the country would cease also. When that Con stitution was destroyed, it would be time to speak of equalizing all sects and denominations—(Hear) — and they might then, perhaps, connect the Roman Catholic Church with the State, which could only be done, he firmly believed, at the expense of another revolution. While he admitted the utmost toleration in religious matters to all classes of his fellow-countrymen, no matter what their religious opinions might be, he still maintained that the State should not connect itself with another Church which he, and the majority of her Majesty's subjects, believed to be instrumental only in the propagation of error. He could not help thinking, seeing the feeling which had been exhibited in all parts of the country with respect to this proposed grant to Maynooth, that if the Government attempted to go further, they would raise a feeling in the minds of the Protestants of this country that could neither be allayed nor compassed If the Government did not go further than the present measure proposed to do, the boon would be worth nothing ; but he contended that this was an Endowment to propagate principles which were antagonistic to the Protestant Constitution. With respect to the voluntary principle, he mould not advert to it, and he was sorry to find that it had been mixed up in this question at all, but he must say that what he had heard the Hon. Member for Sheffield argue in favour of that principle, he (Mr. Darby) wished that, for the sake of his own consistency, he should not hear anything of the kind from the Hon. Member again. The House would recollect that the Hon. Member had very warmly taken up the appropriation question which the Noble Lord the Member fur London had afterwards adopted, and when it served his purpose ha threw it away. The Hon. Gen tleman took it up again, but found it so troublesome a toj, that he did not know how to deal with it. He thought that was an attempt to endow a Church which the Constitution of the country repudiated, and be said this without any reference to the opinions of Hon. Mem bers of the Roman Catholic faith, although he consi dered that even their opinions were not at all times con sistent, for while they .at. one time declared the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church unchanged and un changeable. at another time their language was quite opposed to that declaration. Holding these opinions, he considered it his duty to vote against this measure—a measure which proposed to endow the Church of Rome, although at direct variance with the whole spirit of the British Constitution Sir J. GRAHAM said that, however he might differ from the leigilt Hon. Member who had spoken from the benches le•hind him on other points. he yet agreed with him on this, that it was desirable that no unnecessary delay should take pl ace i n t h e fi na l sett l emen t o f t hi s question, and holding that opinion, he (Sir J. Graham) should not have then r i sen to obtrude himself on the attention of the House, did he not conceive it his duty to do so, in conseque nce of certain expressions rela tive to the conduct o f t h e G overnment as regarded Ireland, but more es p ec i al l y withp rt e d t h e t the general Government.guestii.n he Before, sh di u d ii i d h t h e t e a r f k e e e e fo l t r h e i e : to reply to c. - rtain observations which had emanated frotn a Right Hon. Geetlernan who, in general, sup calling the attention of the House to those observations which had personal reference to himself ; and, in the first place, he could not avoid • • noticing the remarks which had been offered by the Right lion. Gentleman the Member for the University of Dublin, and it was the more painful for him now Co do so, as that Right Hon. Member had, on form., r occasions, given his cordial sup port to the general measures of the Government. That unpenpel:ly assuming flight Hon. Gentleman had taken occasion to charge him (Sir J. Graham), in the most distinct manner, with neglecting the duties of the departtnentof the Government over which he presided. He had also charged him with ' lhi h be i e s r dtdyeuato:ft the affairs of Ireland. He had also been similarly to himself a too great control over taunted by the Hon. Membor for Newcastle. He could only say, and he was bound to state thus much to the House, that in th e di,chare of what he thought was his duty, he had exercised a control over the affairs of that country, with the consent of Parliament, and with, he thought,. the app ro b at i on o f t h e other members of her Majesty's Government. There had been a very general feeling exhibited of late, and he (Sir J. Graham) was persuaded that it was a growing one, that the adminis tration of Irish a ff a i rs s h ou ld be assimilated as much as possible to that which was observed with regard to th at . por tion of English and Scotch affairs with which his department had to do. And he would say further, that it was impos sible adequately to carry on in a proper manner the ad ministration of that country unless Parliament should consent that such an arrangement should continue. In the management of the affairs of that country he h a d had the advantage of the assistance of Lord Eliot and Earl De Grey ;he had b.-en in constant communication with them ; end if there was at any time any difference of opinion between them it did not disturb for one hour, nor for a minute, the general harmony of theirin tercourse. fie had at that very time the pleasure of being in constant communication with th e present Lord _r ieutenant of Ireland (Lord Hey t rsbur y ) , an d while he gave that Noble Lord credit for the sound principles and the pure motives by which he . was actuated—an opinion most i n dependent judgment on he was sure that would be reciprocated from both sides r i n s oe t n e; ngse t t tae most : e m , of the House—yet he should feel it his duty to that td the tc.4lNnlollb,rrineemlaLoenndt,rdah.nad un equally exercise the m what ever matter was connected with the administration of' affairs in that country: With . respect to' this mea sureL:shtepnerhfeeCatlleugnead- W Hon.iWith particularly, theretopeax(t) nim respectity between to the charge h that some person—some nameless individual—had not received that promotion in the courts of law, to which e A q ie u t a u l b ly e - r d n is a t ( r i ib re u f t e e r d re t d he he was justly entitled. He (Sir James Graham) was not aware of the par ticular case to whi c h t h at reference had been made, but o f this h e was pers ua d e d , t h at not one appoin tmen t c o nnected wi▪ th a the law cou r t s o f Ire land: had been made unworthily, fur no jud ge cou ld possibly act upon more strict principles of equity than his Learned Friend, the Lord Chancellor of Ireland. No man was more attached .r than him se lf to the Protes tant Church or zealous the maintenance of it, but he felt bound to tell his Noble. Friend th a t h e was a firm le liever in the greatprinciple laid down by Burke, when he stated that whenever a religious ques tion aro s e, it ought to be deci▪ ded on political, and not on theological grounds. The i!rgunients of the Hoe. Member tor Birmingham last night were totally at va riance with common sense--(Hear, hear.) ) His Hon. Friend opposite bad referred to the disturbed state of Ireland. He did not mean to deny that. Ile felt as sured that crime against the person w as r if e i n Ireland, but the Roman Catholic people of Ireland wou ld on t h e subjeci of religion bea r comparison with any people in the world.— (Laud cries of " Hear, hear.") He had been told that bewail a Protestant Minister to a Protestant Sovereign—that was true ; but it was not to be forgotten that he was also the Mini s t er o f a Pro testant Sovereign who had eight millions of C a tholi c subjects..—(Great cheering.) Much ; - had been said about Exeter-hall and its still small voice he was sure that the course they had pursued in that place was calculated to do anything but good No . one could doubt, it might be attkmpted to ba put aside, but they could not diminish the influence of the Roman Catholic priest hood over the people of. Irelan.—(Hear, hear.) In all the vicissitudes of political hie, d the late Marquis of Londonderry had steadfastlyrastly adhered to this princi ple, that it • was the duty of the Government to provide for the education of the Catholic priesthood. He would read to the house an extract from Lord Londonderry's speech, when that illustri ous person was Lord Castle reagh, and Secretary of State for the Foreign Depart- ?RR SUN, LO ND ON, TillnigbA lir MORNING, MAY 22, 1845. ment.—(The Right Hon. Gentleman then read at length an extract from a speech delivered by Lord Cas tlereagh in 13 17. in which he said that the spiritual and temporal welfare of the Irish people would he best pro moted by giving a superier education to the only instruc tors to whom they would listen ) —When he(Sir J. Gra ham) was told that to ensure the 'effeclious of the Irish people, it was necessary to restrict the power of the priests, and to direct the religion of the people, his answer was,—" It is," said the Right Hon. Baronet, " impossible-4defy the House—l dety the Le gislature to make the attempt."—(Great cheering.) But he would only say this, that no Minister of the Crown ever produced a ineasuie with a more sincere desire to fulfil his duty to his Sovereign, and to conciliate the af fections of his estranged fellow-subjects.--(Cheers.) The House had been told that this measure had been ex torted from her Majesty's Ministers by the reminis cence of past agitation and the threat of more.— (Cheers.) He haul been asked why did not the Govern ment put down Ribbonism ?—(llcar, hem. ) He had been asked why he did not put down monster meetings? To that he had answered that he had used the law in its utmost force, and beyond iFs legitimate force he would not exert it ; aed on the whole he must say, with full c eifith nee and perfect sincerity, that no Minister of the Crown could have felt more satisfaction in recommending a measure to the British House of Commons than he felt when he asked the House to assent to the third reading of tl.e Bill. ,‘...11.E1L, who was greeted with very 100 cheering, said that he had heard with infinite pleasure the speech which had lust been pronounced, and every one upon his (Mr. Shed's) side of the Henn lied heard it with acknewledged pleasure. It was somethieg refreshing and pleasant in those tines of angry polities to hear u Censervetive Mini:stet. quote Hume, and Grattan, and Burke, and make up his hand book from abstracts of their speeches, teae!iing the British ileuse of Com mons Irish policy from the doctrines of Irish patriots. The Right lion. Baronet adverted to the correspondence ofEihnund Burke. But he would call the attention of the House to the works of Edrnutni Burke, in which he stated " that if that business was conducted as it ought to be, and as it would be, they ought to expect more goed from it than from anything which had passed in their age." And to what was it he alluded ? He saw many gen tlemen on the other side of the House who considered Edmund Burke as the greatest statesman of his time. Those gentlemen were, however, strongly opposed to the endowment of Maynooth, and they conceived that they ought to blame the Minister by whom the measure had been introduced. How surprised, then, ought they to be when, they found that these words were used by Edmund Furke, in reference to the Cellege of Maynooth ? They ware taken from a letter from Edmund Burke to Dr. Hussey, who was after wards appointed a Roman Catholic Bishop. He was a man of great talents and great accomplishments, and he was perfectly aware of chat the Hon. Member for Newcastle advered to in his reference to the criticisms of Cumberland, and he (Mr. Shell) was sorry be did nut bring Cumberland down with him. Dr. Hussey had been sent by the Duke of Portland to Ireland at the instance of Edmund Burke; and it appeared by this corresponden c e th a t t h e measure had originally been in troduced for the conciliation of Ireland, when the fidelity of the Roman Catholics of Ireland was a subject of very erroneous suimise, and when a Roman Catholic in that House was sufficiently adventurous to warn them - of their injustice, they were apt to mistake his firstadmo nition and to father that production upon the effect of his ire. But when they came to look at that correspondence of the Ca tholic priest with a great Protestant statesman in all the secrecy of confidential communication, they must feel that great atten tion should be paid to the fact. Edmund Burke, though a Protestant, and educated in a Protestant University, was all his life accustomed to the society of Roman Catholics, and was perfectly acquainted with their feelings. He denounced the in fluence of the Penal Code upon the people of Ireland, and had left his tracts, by which everything that had since been written on the subject had been incalculably surpassed, He was aware of the principles and feelings of the community. and he had acted as a mediator between them and the British Government. Two measures had been produced by the Bri tish Government for the coneilation of Ireland— one a relaxation of the penal code, and the other for the conciliation of the Church Establishmeat of Maynooth. The first was unfortu nately a bad one, and did not come into use, to the great dismay of Edmund Burke. But the Government adhered to the second one. He spoke of the establishment of Maynooth as most important. He did nut look upon the amount of the grant to Maynooth from great height that he took his view; his sight was not even dieted to it, and he did not allude to it. The Member for Newcastle adverted to the enterprise of. Theobald Wolfe Tone, but for a purpose to which it ought not to be ap plied. His memoir were fraught with instruction. For several days several French ships of the line, filled with tro o p, w ith 100,0 0 0 stand of arms, w ere anchored in a harbour in the south of Ireland ; from which Theobald Wolfe Tone said that he could throw a biscuit on shore; and it was an extraordinary fact that, in 18 years afterwards, the French Emperor put up his glass, and turning his eyes to the borizen, thanked God in vain. The rebellion of '9B succeeded, and it was put down, as every rebellion would be put down. But by what course? HOW altered here and hereafter may be the respect of any Govern ment which by the denial of justice, a fatal procrastination, or by fatal indecision, would bring about such a terrible circum stance. They would ask him why he brought these things forward merely for the purpose of showing what were the cir cumstances of Maynooth. The Catholic clergy were faithful almost to a man. The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Colquhoun) might say that the history of the rebellion was open to him as well as to him (Mr. Shed), and he might raise up his eyes to heaven; but surely it was unnecessary for him after having spoken two hours to have recourse to pantomime.—( A laugh.) Let them go from 1793 to 1822, and they would find that the Roman Catholic clergy did not take any part in political pro ceedings. Could they deny that? When did they take part in political proceedings? Whet the Catholic Association was formed it arose then, within its influence. It was thin that the great saceniotal Association commenced. The Honourable Member for Newcastle, be understood, had adverted to Dr. Doyle, at the same t' me admitting his great talents. But it was not with him (Dr. Doyle) that the great ecclesiastical agitation in Ireland had commenced—it was with the Hibernian Portuguese, the Augustinian Friars, not with any clergyman edu ated in Ireland. Dr. Doyle pub lished a pamphlet of what they might call a very seditious cha racter-a-of a character with respect to which they would not call upon him (Mr. Sheil) to pronounce any judgment. He went so far as to say that if there was a French invasion, and the First Lord if the Treasury was then at the head of the Home-office, he (Dr. Doyle) -aid that in such a ease it should net be the duty of the Roman Catholic clergy to join in repel ling the foe. That was an occasion on which Maynooth was to be put to the test, and Maynooth published a declaration which he (Mr. Shell) had with him. Let them hear what he was now about to quote from that publication. It was far better than any extracts from Tallacosius, Cappadocius, and Thomas Aquinas. It was a protest from Maynooth—a protest of the establishment from which Gentlemen on the other side stated that sedition in Ire land flowed, and it was sent to every ei,trict in that country. These were the words of the priests of Maynooth, who were alleged to have taught ultra.montane doctrines. "The Roman Catholic clergymen of St. Patrick's College of Maynooth, in consequence of a recent publication in allusion to the domestic education of the Catholic clergy, deem it a duty that they owe to their religion solemnly to state that they wish to inculcate allegiance to the Sovereign and respect to the authorities under that Sovereign, and that they have been guided therein by the tenets of the Catholic religion contained in the following pre cepts, &c." And then, continued the Hon. Gentleman, are quoted several passages from the Scriptures, and several ex tracts from Tertullian, referring to the penalties to which Roman Catholics were liable by non-allegiance. He could not help thinking that the perusal of that document ought to convince any honest antagonist as to the doctrines taught at Maynooth. Mr. COLQUHOUN wished to know whether Dr. Hig. gins had signed that document? Mr. SHEIL—AII the professors signed it. He had not got their names, bat the professors of those doctrines, which they had impeached, had given their signatures. Was not that suf ficient to show them that it was an authoritative account, and to carry with it great importance. He said that it would con- Time any such honest man as the Member for Newcastle. They must recollect what the fortunes of the Catholic student were.—( Hear, hear,) He returned to the people from whence he came—he became an ecclesiastic—he was not free from contagion, he caught and propagated it ; hut he would assert, that in Maynooth no doctrines against the Eng lish interests were taught, and he defied them to prove any thing of the kind. That measure was received with gratitudo in 1795—it had been received with gratitude in ls_4s. He as serted that the greakbody of the C a th o li c hi erarc h y gave their unqualified approbation to this measure. The professors of Maynooth had expressed their thanks to the Right Hon. Gen tleman ; and more than that, there had been no Protestant demonstration in Ireland against the measure. He did not regard the Right Honourable Gentleman the Recorder for Dublin, or the Member for the University, as spokes men of the Protestants of Ireland. He asserted that they were more solicitous for the peace of the country, when the security of their country depended upon it. The first thing the Right Hon. Ba rone t th e S ecre t ary f or t h e Home Department did - , was to ascertain the real feeling of the Irish people. He had not been inattentive to the feelings of the people of this country, but he had exhibited a noble con stancy. He had not given way to the clamour which had been raised. Yet it was not that the Right Hon. Baronet was in sensible to public opinion, for he lute plainly shown this in his conduct on the Factory Bill. But he was aware of the difference between the unjust displeasure of English discon tent and the just displeasure of Irish discontent. He well knew thit English discontent would only, at the worst, affect the position of the Government in power, while the justice of Irish discontent would shake the solidity of the State. It was the Dissenters of the coun try who were the chief opposers of the grant. But it was evident that the people were not averse to it, for where were their county meetings—where were their great demonstrations —where were the great expostulations of the great body of the clergy? He was aware that the Dissenters had their special purposes to serve, and he could well understand their policy. —(Laughter.) He was extremely sorry to speak of the Dis senters as he did, and to assert that he had grounds for the opinions which he gave. The policy of Ireland was not to be regulated by the feelings of any part of the English public. When they should think less of Popery, and more of church rates—when they should right themselves, and not attempt to wrong the Catholics—then would he be the first to assist them in obtaining relief from their grievances; and when they sought for a Committee, he would be the first to help them to a remedy.—( Hear, hear.) He be lieved that the Dissenters did not grudge them the 26,0001. a year, but they opposed it because the y thought that a par t . of the doctrines taught at Maynooth were in oppcsition to the prin ciples of the Christian religion. The Hon. Member for Bir mingham had entered into this part of the argument, and he should notice it for a moment, because Christianity was alto gether founded on truth, and because truth was always one. intent of the charges of controversy were sure to fall upon the excessive meanness of the expedients which had been resor te d to in order to excite public feeling, and to induce a false im ionftpnaartpniculelantriepaalisdaigseensssionrn. wo H rd e s. kne H w e n w4s hn n w ot t g o o e i going r t e o ss en t t h e e r at Maynooth. T him a tract, which had been issued by the Wesleyan,. They give a testimony as to the head professed to ius im pression with res_pr e t H to en th . e m d e oc n tin r es fe t v au D g e h r t h i a n ni t t he dC handed ass-boo to class-books of Maynooth. They cited . Mendoz n a a , Tall aco tna, and etve, mostr. She i ) h d Cappadocius, Thomas Aquimas, Bellarmine, 111 . e him information, and he found that only three of com petent to give number were used as class books at Maynooth, and the whole a i r t c s s l a o Y f u tro t s h e . who e jl e i r that in these neither Bellarmine nor Mendoza were included. The compiler of this publication had made extracts from the m ra! d o e th t e h r e s n s e t s l itedci diligent class-books inquiries treatise of Baillin upon the keeping of oaths. This compiler had stated that this authority declared that the superior of a religious order had aright to absolve any of the members of the establishment from their oaths. These were a•rong words, but what did Baillin say, that " the superior of a religious order had the power to absolve an inferior from all those oaths which came within the power of the superior as such." This was the qualification. Thus they complain of Baillin.—( Cheers.) A copy of the tract had been sent to him by the Hon. Member for Durham. The tact had been extensively distributed to affect the minds of the people of this country. These were the arguments; this was the instrumentality, this we; the stratagem, this was the fraud —a pious fraud, no doubt—(Loud cheers)—but such a fraud as, he trusted, would not long abuse the minds of the people of England —nor would it effect that which it was intended to do. He did not pretend to approve of all that was taught at Maynooth, neither dd he approve of all that was taught by Dr. Sarderson, the Regius Professor at Oxford. Neither did he approve of all that appeared in Blackstone —he could not assent to the doctrine of mate pro/Libi tum malum in se. He would take the class-books of Maynooth as a whole. If there was such a great objection to the princi ples taught at Maynooth, he should be happy to take the sense of the House, and wonldreadily vote for a Committee of the House of Commons for inquiry to a . certain what there was that was defective, and he trusted the Government would support it. There bad been a deal of casuistry employed to assail Maynooth, but, unfortunately, casuistry did not always attain what it aimed at. If there was evil in the class-books it was the evil to be found in Aristophanes, and the mischief contain ed in the first six satires of Juvenal. Casuistry was like sur gery—it disclosed all it was most necessary to conceal—the concession was laying open the inward feelings by which human nature was actuated—that anatomy of the heart by which the whole of its internal corruption was laid bare. But he did not dread investigation. What he looked at were the moral result: of education at Maynooth. and he was glad to find that the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary for the Home Department w. s disinclined to listen to the trash which had issued from the lips of sophistry; for even on that most dan garous ground of the confessional he felt assured that the repu tation of Maynooth would come out honourably and unscathed. Would any man be prepared to say—could any man take upon himself to prove—that the confessional had been perverted to such iniquitous uses as had been suggested in that House ( Hear, hear.) Would it he presumed to be upheld as a fact. that the Roman Catholic clergy of Ireland were so utterly, so fearfully sunk in debauchery.—( Hear, hear.) No, the cler2y of the people of Ireland stood far too high above sneh an impu tation—(Cheers)—the clergy of the people of Ireland, amidst any phase of political and religious adversity, stood unble mished and unsuspected.—( Cheers.) In the performance of their duties they sought not ease, pleasure, or convenience, but endured pain, sickness, and death.—(Cheers ) Then, were not the daughters, the wives, the mothers of Roman Catholic Ireland the very essence, the very ideal of all the domestic virtues—( Cheers)—and were not the Roman Ca tholic men of Ireland, with all their faults, honest, faithful, temperate, and, with all their lamentable misfortunes and defects, most marvellously abstinent.—( Loud cheers.) Great were the crimes that bad been committed in Ireland ; but how few of them were there that had not their origin in fearful misgovernment ?—( Hear, hear.) Appalling were the murders that stained the annals of that country, but did they bear anything like a yraportien, either in number or in character, to those committed in this vast metropolis?— ( Hear, hear.) And whatever might be the extent of those crimes of agrarian ferocity that darkened the Irish people's fame, those moot inclined to render still darker that deep stain, should at least admit, that but for the Roman Catholic clergy it would have been increased. tenfold.—(Hear, hear.) In fact, there was not a Secretary for Ireland of late years be his politi ca l f ee li ngs what they may, who had not admitted that it was through the influence of the Roman Catholic clergy that the people of that country had been restrained from acts of violence that no other people in the world, with the same provocation, could have been with held from.—( Hear, hear.) These were facts, indisputable facts, upon which he relied—facts which required no eloquence to establish—facts, which no eloquence could controvert, and which fully justified the Right Hon. Baronet in bringing for ward this measure.—( Cheers.) That measure he (Mr. Sheil) was happy to observe the Right Hon. Baronet had determined to carry out with a courageous perseverance—(Cheers)— and he (Mr. Sheil) bad no hesitation in saying that if the Right Hon. Baronet persevered in this course as he had done from the commencement, he might rest assured that he would achieve the restoration of peace in Ireland, and establish a system of peaceful Government in that country of a character far more desirable than any he could ever hope to establish by farce.—( Cheers.) Every speck that now dimmed the dazzling horizon of that country would be removed ; peace, happiness, and order, would spread over the land, and the Right Hon. Baronet would be entitled to the lasting gratitude of the Irish ps ople.—( Loud cheers. ) Mr. PLUMPTRE, amidst loud cries of " Divide, divide," rose, and said he would detain the House but a short time. He differed from the Right Hou. Gentleman who had just sat down as to the books read in Maynooth, and he called upon the Government not to rely upon the Right Hon. Gentle man's statement.—(Cries of " Oh, oh.') He meant to say that the Right Hon. Gentleman was mistaken, and he would, upon the third reading of this Bill, which he supposed would take place to-night—he would, upon the motion that the Bill do pass, move for a Select Committee to inquire into this sub ject.—(Laughter.) He had repeatedly solicited the Govern ment to afford an opportunity for the thorough investigation of this subject; but the Government had shrunk from the ordeal, and refused the inquiry.—( Cries of " Divide.") He begged to assure the House he would be very brief ; but he had a few remarks to make on some observations that had fallen from the Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary for the Home Department, in reference to certain expressions that had been used at Exeter-hall. He begged to assure the House that there was a wide distinction between love for the Roman Catholics and ab horrence of their religion.—(Loud cries of " Oh, oh.") He would maintain that Ireland had not been, and would not be pacified by such measures as this, and, therefore, in his own name, and in the name of his Protestant constituents, he did most solemnly abjure this measure.—( Loud cries of" Divide.") Mr. Sergeant MURPHY said he could assure the House that if they would bear with him for a few moments be would not press on their time by making a speech.—( Hear.) When he entered the House that evening he had not the slightest in tention of saying a word, nor would he now have risen to do so but for the repeated personal allusions made to him by the Hon. Membe r f or N ewcast l e - under - Lune. In one of that lion. Member's observations he charged the people of Ireland with the practice of bigotry to such an extent as to control and hamper the free exercise of opinion by those who differed from them. It had been said that the measures of the Government, so far from conciliating even the members of the Nlaynooth establish. ment, had created a spirit of persecution throughout the entire Roman Catholic population of Ireland, both clerical and lay ; and that assertion had been attempted to be proved, by a re ference to a trial where, it was urged, the system of prosely tism pursued by Catholics had been discovered and exposed. It was for the purpose of defending the Irish people from that aspersion, that he had then risen, and he would retort upon the Hon. Member for Newcastle the charge of " proselytism " by a similar quotation from evidence on a trial. In a college established in a remote district of Kerry, at a place called " Dingle," a clergyman called Gaher appeared to have been practising this system of proselytism, but the evidence elicited from one or two of the witnesses was worthy of attention. One old man, who had served in the navy under Lord Rodney, de posed to being met by the clergyman of the parish, and solicited to attend Church on the ground that he would get plenty of wine there ?—(Laughter. ) And he had sworn that that con sideration, coupled with the prospect of getting a belly-full, had induced him to go to Church.—( Loud laughter.) But there was another witness to whose evidence and name he solicited the most earnest attention of the House. The name was especially interesting—he thought apposite at the pre sent juncture. A Mrs. Peebles—( Roars of laughter)—a Mrs. Peebles—( Renewed roars of laughter from all parts of the House)--on being questioned as to her sudden conversion replied, " I think necessity compelled me, and I kept my place."—(Continued laughter.) There was a system of pro selytism for the Member for Newcastle.—( Hear, hear.) But one more quotation and he bad done. An old man at Kerry was similarly visited by a very zealous proselyting minister, under whose especial guardianship he had been taker,. He had a horse, and that horse he had lent to the minister, on the terms of 51. 105. a year, payable in weekly instalments— (Laughter)—bat when he came for his money, he was told that the hire of the horse was a nutulum pactunz.—( The remainder of the sentence was lost in the bursts of laughter which followed this observation.) There was a system of proselytism for the Member of Newcastle to digest I And with its exposure he would close his remarks, which he had merely made, to justify the sneer with which he had met the asper sions cast upon his co-religionists in Ireland.—(Cheers. ) Mr. FER RAND (who was received with loud cries of " Di vide)—promised not to delay the House five minutes while he offered a few observations on the conduct of the Bight Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government. In 1E39 he found himself in a minority in that House, but believing that the ma jority of the country was in his favour, he bade them fight the battle of the Constitution in the Registrati on C ourts. Th ey had done so, and had raised what they called the " Conser vatives" to power: they obeyed his injunctions and bad been betrayed. Yes, the Right H on. B aronet had betrayed them, and leading them on into the very heart of the enemy's camp, had won for himself the ho nourable cognomen of " The Marotto of Con-ervatisra." tut he would warn the R:ght Hon. Gentleman, that as the battle of the Constitution had been fought, and fought sue eessfully when the Whigs were in power, so also would it be fought when the Conservatives were in power. —(Derisive cheers.) As sure as there was a dissolution of Parliament, to which the Hon. Baronet had been defied, so sure would the traitors meet with their deserts.—(Cheers.) The Learned Member for Dungarvon had said there was no Pro testant feeling in Ireland against Maynooth, and talked of the meeting of a few gentlemen in Galway as evincing the opinion of the great Prot e st an t b o dy. He had mentioned the name of a Mr. St. George, and be (Mr. Ferrand) would also quote a gentleman of that name. In a letter which he had received from that gentleman the soundest principles of Protestant opposition to the grant were enunciated. This was the authority of a Protestant clergyman in Ireland, and he would hope that no more would be heard in that House about the sanction of the Irish Protestant having been given to the grant. Why even the Roman Catholics we re no t . vernally satisfied with it, coming, as it did, from the hands of the Conservatives. What had 51r. O'Connell said on this matter? He had stated that the Conservatives had betrayed the Irish people, and would deceive them still further. Let the people only trust in him (Mr. O'Connell) and he would give them the repeal of the union, and grants to Maynooth would speedily follow. The Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government had told the people of Ireland they should have anything short of repeal ; and, as an earnest of his honest intentions, he had offered the Maynooth sugar-plum.— ( Laughter.) But was the Right Hon. Gentleman more to be trusted in than Mr. O'Connell? Mr. O'Connell had never betrayed the Irish people, but the Right Honourable Baronet had; and not only had he betrayed them, but he had also seduced many Honourable Members in that Hou;e to give their support to the proposed mea=ure, under the belief that toey would not compromise their seats if they so voted. He could, however, tell them a different story. Diving the Whitsuntide recess he had been down in the north, and, from various inquiries he had made in that quarter, he felt satisfied that the mvjority of the constituents of the various Members who have voted in favour of the grant wet e determined to visit with great severity upon them the great d 'reliction from their duty of which the, had been guilty. Capt. LAYAi,D rose amidst loud cries of " Divide," which continued nearly the whole time the Hon. and Gallant Gentle man was speaking, and he was barely audible in the gallery. He was understood to say, in reference to a speech which had been made yesterday in the House by the Right lion. the Member for Dublin, that the Right lion. Gentleman had been so long in taking leave of his former love, and expressed so much regret at parting, that he considered a lingering affection still remained. He did not, however, express the same love when he bid adieu to the Right Hon. Secretary for the Home Department, and he thought that heavy damages might be recovered in any court of justice for the breach of The lion. Member then quoted from the old nursery ih r ;i n' tn i e s — e. " It is good to be merry and wise, It is good to be honest and true, It is good to be quit of your old love Before you take up with a new." He would assert that the Right Hon. Gentleman h a d b een guilty of gross hyp ocr i sy, and had cheated his old friends. The Hon. and Gallant Member then be w r e l nt on to say he would wil lingly give his suppot tto any I measure that was biought forward in the House, no atter from what party it might originally emanate. He had heard that 3000 g. had been sidered to o muc h for the grant to Maysooth, but in hisopircioiont; thirty times :50,000/. m.uld not be more than sufficient to atone to the Irish people for the wrongs that had for centuries been done to them, especially when the gross ignorance under which they laboured was taken into consideration.—( Hear.) He could bear witness to the zeal and fidelity of the Irish priesthood, and he felt sure that they would do all in their power to pre-erve tranquillity and order. Ile hoped the Right Hon. Gentlemen would persevere in the course he had adopted. He saw by this morning's papers that the Right Hon. Gentle man the Secretary at War hail conferred the sum of WO/. a year on thaw Catholic priests. ble hoped that such munificent -------------- and liberal conduct would be generally adopted, for there+ much of the irritation and excitement which prevailed would be allayed. He thanked the House for the patience and atten tion with which they had heard him.—( Great laughter, occa sioned by the fact that during the whole of the Hon. Member's speech the House was a scene of up-oar, so that scarcely a s tenet of it was audible in the gallery.) He would give his hearty support to the third reading of the Bill. Lord F. EGERTON rose, and the House became per fectly silent. He said—l shall not long tresspass on the tins of the House, for I am physically and mentally disqualified from doing so.— ( Hear, hear,) I have listened with pain to the speeches of the Hon. Members for Kent and Knaresbo rough, and must protest against their being supposed to re present the opinions of the Protestants of England —( Hoar, hear.) I will not take it upon myself to say that no Protest ant voice has been raised from Ireland in opposition to the measure; but I will confidently say that the Protestant voice of Ireland is far from being unanimous.—( Hear, hear.) I speak as the representative of a considerable portion of the community. 1 have been in communication with my con stituents, and though ' I acknowledge the propriety of freedom of opinion, and though I know that a large body of the people of this country are opposed to the grsnt ( Hear) and that their opposition to the measure is deeply rooted in some of the best principles and feelings of our nature, I still maintain the wisdom of this policy, and deny that there is anything like unanimity in the opposition to it. I must, I say, protest against any such assumption.—( Hear, hear.) With respect to the speech de livered by the Hon. Member for Knaresborough, there is no. thing in it which I feel myself bound to notice.—( Loud and long-continued cries of " Hear, hear.") I might, perhaps, from old recollections of Ireland, state my belief, that in ad ducing the name of St. George, the Hon. Member could not have meant the St. George that was mentioned by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. Mr. FERR A ND—I said so. Lord F. EGERTON—The Mr. St. George to shorn the Right Honour.ble Gentleman had alluded, was a resident Protestant proprietor ; and I think Hon. Gentlemen opposite will concur with me in what I state.—( Hi ar. ) The speech of the Hon. Member for Knaresborough, to which I allude, was delivered on a former occasion, and as I was not then in the House, I will now take the liberty of saving a few words upon it. The Hon. Gentleman quoted, and I think quoted directly, a speech of mine at an election, which iefiected with unjusti. fiable asperity on the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Nottingham. Sir, I wise to explain to the House that those allusions made by me to the conduct of that Right Hon. Baro net were totally unjustifiable in point of fact, and that I regret having cast those aspersions upon his name.—( Loud cheers. ) With respect to the question before the House, I have very few opinions to offer on it. If anything has occurred in the course of the debate at all likely to modify or change the feelings with which I first entered into th e di scuss i on , i t wou ld not be the able speech of the Hon. Member for Newcastle -under. Lyne, which has gone further to confirm and strengthen me in my original opinion. Much of that speech contained a very able picture of the state of Ireland. I admit this; but what is the first question which must naturally suggest itself ? Is it not this—What are you about to do ? What remedy are you about to propose, for a state of thi ngs w hi c h h as b ut one parallel in th e civilised world, and that parallel is to be found in the island of Corsica, which is a very close one ? What remedy does he propose ? What does he say we ought to do ? He says, to administer and uphold the law.—( Hear, hear.) Well, Sir, I believe in my conscience that there never was any one Administration, shies the union, in which the Secretaries for Ireland had not ardently and anxiously desired to do so. / make no distinction of parties. Men may be mistaken in their policy and in their opinions, but I say again, I believe there was not one who did not wish honestly and fairly to adminise ter the law. There is, therefore, no further use in discussing such a remedy—it is perfectly futile and unnecessary. I said before. and I now reiterate my perfect cenviction, that if you treat Ireland in the manner proposed by the It'ght Hon. Gentleman—if you are to proceed with the administration of affairs there on the principle which the party that the Hon. Member advocates profess—if you are to legislate for it on the assumption that the Irish people are idolatrous—it is better and safer for you to abandon dominion over that country altogether.—( Loud cries of " Hear, hear," from the Opposition.) I don not talk of the repeal of the Union —I think it is a mischievous project, but I think it is better to go further—to reparation itself.—( Renewed cries of " Hear, hear.) If you support this principle you must carry it out to the proper and legitimate extent.—( Hear, hear.) This prin ciple will involve the administration of the law in Canada, Malta, the Mauritius, India, and its dependencies—( Hear, hear)—in those parts placed beyond the sphere of all but a stateraan's vision, " Where all the convex globe obtrudes be tween." Can you believe it possible that that national anthem, which, to use the expression of a figura tive American, " girdles the earth with its music,"—will have the continuity of its chain broken ? Can you think that that flag should be hauled down which had been planted on the heights of Quebec by Wolfe—or that country which had been won by Clive and extended by Wellesley, should he res.ored to the dominion of barbarous tyrants—that England, which had risen like a giant after the loss of half a hemisphere in America, would have yielded to the blow, though she might have felt it. Can you believe that England would adopt a line of policy so fatal ?—( Hear, hear.) Political economists may write as they have written, that England would lie all the better for the loss of these dependencies (an opinion in which I do not agree), but I never saw a page written by any political economist, how ever paradoxical, in which it was not admitted, that if Ireland was stricken from the empire, the last page of the history of England's glory was' not turned over for ever.—( Cheers. ) Sir, do I say that the measure before the House is a direct means of preventing such consequences as these ? Do I say that a donation of 30,0(101. or three times 20,0001. is a sure re medy which you are to give as a preventive to consequences such as these ? Far from it. But I ao say, that under the cir cumstances in which this question now conies before the House, after the principles which have been laid down in its proposi tion, and after the expectations which havelbeen raised, I am deeply anxious respecting this measure, not because I am under deep apprehension, but I am under deeper anxiety than, I ever felt, as there are some features in this debate which occasionally remind me of the old times. They remind me so strongly that I could almost see the graceful figure of Mr. Canning rising here to reply, while a sonorous peroration of Sir Charles Wetherell was still ringing in the House. Never did I feel greater anxiety for the successful result of a measure before. We arc called upon to resist this measure on the ground of reli gion. 1 have avoided treating the subject in a religious point of view, and I have done so, because I for one do not like To rush in where angels fear to tread." Whatever may be the faith of the Roman Catholics respecting auricular confession, I have a great objection to making a confessional of your chair, Sir.—( Laughter.) But I take on myself to say that no Scotch Calvinist on the hill more truly believed his book than I do the book of truth on which I found my belief. lam certainly not inclined to allow the dictation of the Pope or a council of common authorities. Ido net be lieve in the infallibility of any human authority, arid those who do I respectfully treat as persons in error. But I could net de nounce that as error without assuming to myself something si milar to infallibility. —(Loud cheers.) 1 read the sacred volume by a glimmering and perhaps a fallible light, but still it is a light of my own, for young men do not see visions nor old men do not dream dreams—no miracles are performed at the tours of Exeter-hall. The cloud does not go before me by day, and a blight flame does not irradiate by night my march in the wilderness. I believe, indeed, that there is a light for my guidance, but 1 do not feel sufficient confidence to enable me to say that those who are pursuing other parallel, or, possibly, widely-diverging raths, are under a sad delusion, and are diverging to their ruin. —( Loud and continued cheering.) Our goal is a common one. 1 hope, and pray, and believe, that many of us may reach it in come mon —( The Noble Lord sat down amidst loud and continued cheering.) , Mr. M‘LEAN next rose to address the House, but he was heard with great impatience, inasmuch as the majority of his observations did not reach the said, gallery otherw a s alson a i t t noth n a yt t ahi fact n this g t ha t as a th e ym e r ely approachingbel i eved to a initiatory ont that connected assiudree f a o , m. He H and that the e it would be succeeded by other a-d g- eater measures of a similar character. He would put it to them not as illustrating an argument, but as exhibitir.g a fact, that at a late meeting of the heads of the Roman Catholic persuasien in this country. the Noble Lord who proposed a vote of thanks to the Right Hon. Baronet at the head of the Government said that the person must be more than purblind who believed that a paltry grant of 30,000/ was intended as a final and isola'ed measure, and if the House would allow him to refer to one senttnee —( Loud cries of " No, no," and " Divide, Divide," during which the Honourable Member in vain attempted to utter a single word)—to refer, he said., to one sentence -(" No, no," and great confusion)—of Lord Beaumont's, to show what the universal feeling of the Catholics was on this occasion. —( Renewed confusion, and cries of " Oh, oh.") Lord Beaumont, in proposing a restlation, said that the person must know little of the human heaFht,is coandunniutry, whosthave co stu u d id ied im t a o g l i i n t e tle t p h u at rp a ose m t e h r e e P g o r li a t n ic t al o h f 3isto",oy of 001. would satisfy a great majority of the sister country. He knew that he had but little claim on their indulgence at that late hour.—( Cries of " Hear, hear," and laughter)—but the conscientious re • pugnance which he felt to this measure had induced him to oppose the Right Hon. Baronet; and that repugnance:also com pelled him to state to the House—(Cries of Divide, divide,' o h, o h," "order, order," and immense confusion, during which the Hon. Member, having in vain attempted to make himself heard, sat down.) sir R. PEEL rose to address the House. He could not but admit the reasonableness of the demand which had been made for the immediate discussion on the present subject. He could not. however, allow the present discussion to pass without some observations from him. He must allude to the observations that had been made by the Hon. Member for Nevin Ale. It had been said the Government tkat ex. isted at the present moment had done much against the Col lege of Maynooth. Now he had read many authors on the subject, and their opinions generally were in its favour— ( Loud sheers.) there can be no doubt that the Cadholies had done all they could to put an end to any outbreak between them and the Protestants. He could not but admire the course that had been pursued by Lord Castlereagh on this subject. He believed the Hon. Member also said, that this vote to Maynooth should not he made at the same time that the su perintendence of that college should be as exclusive as it was at present, while he admitted that the Government had done much to preserve the integrity of the Protestant Church in this country. But now let him (Sir Robert Peel) remind the Hon. Member of what the Government had done in respect to the state of Ireland in the year 1843. In that year the Government had 3 ',OOO soldiers in Ireland, and 10,000 police, to preserve the peace, while they had upon the coast a strong naval force for the same purpose.—( Hear, hear) In tact, they had done all that the law empowered them to do for the maintenance of peace in that country.—( Hear. ) The Hon. Memb er a d m i tted that those meanshad had the . effect of asserting the majesty of the law ; and that another of the consequences of them was, that the repeal rent h a d b een much reduced. Th at, then, was theoment when the Government thought proper to propose measures for altering the constitution of the country, and submitting to this House remedial mea sures f or the great complaints of the people of Ireland, and had the Hon. Member said that such was not the proper time for cluing so. The Government had proved their determination to resist everya i attempt at force or inhteirmtihdearteionw, were e t nthoteyotislse•ei su were also r, ter . m h w e r o e consider demanded w hefor thientd the pacification of Ireland. But the Hon. Member said " Give protection to property—denounce the priests—enforce the law." Now, let him ( Sir R. Peel) ask what was the meaning of " enforce the law " in this country ? The only remedy left in any country where the law was not suspended was trial by jury ; but trial by jury was not available when the great mass of the people were in such a position as the people of Ireland were in at that time. Under these circumstances. then, her Majesty's Government addressed themselves to what they conceived to be remedial measures, and they bad adopted this cours; , with all the foresight of the consequences which would be likely to arise.—( Hear, hear.) He could assure the Hon. Member that he deeply regretted the cession from him of his political friends, who, honestly ant: conscientiously disap proving of the course he had adopted, had withdrawn their confidence from him ; but, notwithstanding that, he must ever claim for a Government charged with responsible "dutie o s, t jute right to exami n e thei r own j u d gmen t, w ithout which. Go— vernment could discharge those duties with credit n h or advantage to the country.t— remind Hon. Members that there. position w of a Mini tor.—Ht, prehension on their minds as t o could beof his present position s Heara's hear.) He m n a e teri a would m i3 " 4- was es proud as any man underar ,0 0 u b ld lig m at u i c o h n r h a p .. ant the of a private, independent MeV" tr b ile u : t 7 h bH e e opfl deniedc that cd h r ear)3Lpanedrsohneassl EtA II" hit "t 11°‘ n oe t" % ode' to were ,wA Y ' , As/ 0.. _ O . lie I" n d h) 1, [jai' „t, tr. 01