The Sun. — London, England, 1844-02-16 00:00:00

cootie of the ion opt lemon' )lishei at was Dr the e that , isteriel other , and w oros t, that , as oa - It falai lurc h hear ,, (led enao° )--aott try i t, rras to thew that THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY ittitiem-a—A----- -- - ---- gres 3 , 4 • n, tang the p os iti on o f t h e A t t orney -G enera l, t ra ns- on this subj. ct ; but English Members were, in this opinion, her Majesty's .G . overnment . had adopted the most judicious ' 101,4J:et of e aketiti ‘n a similar wav, the Court m' ssed it over "hic•ii be in're violent in their attacks than the . Irish Members.-- . -• method of arriving at that improvement ; and he c . onfessed the o b. e d ought not to'have been the l case He be ' lieved that ( Hear, hear. ) All they wanted was domestic peace.—(lrom- that . for . one he could . not be without some apprehe . nsion, that the Government was not viniicatien but that the cal cheers. ) Let tlem have it in the name of God, and give by issumg that commission, they might have exeitcd vague failed t "duct of the proceettir gi was wronst and they had up their prejudices towards each other.—( Hear, hear.) E.ng- expectations, .which hereafter there would . be not a little (lA that • e carry cut their Wee' : wl ••h ' t •'-' 'lress the abbe lish gentlemen seemed to think no language was strong enough culty in fulfilling. He could not but believe that a very much it. Justice had been don j ' ih in. vi i as f () I in , i . cl . 0 - P t t to use towards those who were Irishmen by birth, Protestants smaller measure of real improvement now, would have done at,47 l ection of all Rom e• an Cetritp! f e t I e t r h y in )., ,, e n l an , H a e in rebeion and Conservatives in politics.—( Hear, hear.) more to compose existing differences, and quiet the minds of le peal not have felt indienant if a tl e e v t li cb sti r b o e m en re ! ,lec i ted eel as What he wi ' shed was, that nothing should be unsettled. That the Irish people on this subject, than even a much larger mea hay et ' s ; but the fact ;as -t " - hHh y ld h • • • ith regard to the Emancipation Ac . t l and he sure deferred to a later period, and coming wh . en their expec -0 th eas , b that they vvere not sue . es ou was is opinion w sers ac , e t no more about it hut he found that it was the expected to be met on the other side in . a similar spirit. He tations had been more raised. He did not think that that was te t t „ s of all work of th s G ' . • " ce t inl considered the Roman Catholics bound themselves an unreasonable apprehension ; and he confessed he did not la "Pl'a th s overnment who took that invidious r a y Ch h nattas ked if Emancipation was quite understand why it was impossible to legislate at once ileti sna. . eniselves. He found that another of the law to leave the Protestant ure u . C • nd Lord uor th b• . It d'd N es _ ries had, at a public meetie s oken in a most out.. conceded. —( No, no. ) Certainly . A . lr. arming a te i esu jee.. i appear to him, that if hei• Majesty's c.,41,7,S runner of the C. tit V a l g• - p d others were Of opinion that if that mea- Government had proceeded at once to obtain the best assist of Ireland and of the Plunket an who etaic ; ai m , A .0 1 peop e , , 1 the Established Church would be secure. ance in their power, in considering what improvements of legis .) ~, oers of that House.—(Name ! name ! who ? sure were passer , trete "hen he saw th t 'sl bi L d 11 b f h He thought if they could be of a conciliating temper and spirit lation were necessary on that subject, having at their corn ka at G ov - aas m, e or ,a . err. er ot e _ . t' ns of this kind, they could better attend mend the first legal assistance in England and Ireland, and a .ost i n . , ernment had distinguished himself by using the when discussing ques io . , 'rerl' -al titir' la . • he advice cantained in her Majesty s speech, to apply their also the advice of persons best acquainted with the real affairs th e 14 41ent annd t n,uag , e towards the Catholic Members of t m e i t nds to improving the social condition of a pe,ple who were in both countries—he could not but believe, that with such ob g an who neve h r e d; N d shole Irish pe d ople— h niheo th he t found s that l by nature kind-hearted and generous, but who had been too aid, it would not have been altogether impossible leira ' sa d who • l eoe act, goo or am ,wi ou a per.ona l I ne lected and thus developing the resources of that beau- that . a measure for effecting such an improvement „ , b a ,, was oeking for the place of the other Nob e ong g ! ' 0 th e " sPoken in a simi'ar strain, he was hound to come tiful land. With respect to e th motion ef the Noble Lord the as legislation could effect might have been ready at the time not c mielusio Alomiter for Lyndon, it was a mere party attack ,of one great when Parliament again met. He said that was an opinion 11 er noleht n that it was the systematic policy of the .. . att seek •, He thought that the Right Hon. Gentleman division of the House upon the . ot ~ _ , her and of course, they should which he could not help feeling somewhat inclined to entertain. et t b e en witn more asn r . t than was nevessary of the re:tilt all be found voting under their . particular banners. At the same time, he was far from venturing to condemn the e r n. tri a l . ,_,_ , _ - ,e i y s . . Lord HOWICK, who was in the com•nencement of his ob- issuing of that commission ; it was possible that the difficulties A ces j oss _ .c had got a verdict, but when the constitution . . h t • udible was understood to say that on of the . subject might be greater than he thought, and that this nic e 5 was con idered, it was impossible to avoid the in- set vations some% a ina . ~ ' 46 t hat th .et ste mi h both sides of the House it seemed, as far as the debate had 3 p g t have a necessity. He thought it was an unfortunate telf e t ' er the Crete proceedings were unfair. The first law . dmitted that no prospect had yet been held out by necessity; but, still, he admitted that such a necessity might tb to riff s , • wit, at a public meeting, had expressed hi m _ gone, to be a , eh i h sive terms respecting the conduct and motives of her Majesty s Government o a measu f ' •re which should produce have existed. But the conclusion he drew from it te e • S ' C a t hOliCi ith t H •ht •h th matter was content and tranquillity in Ireland. The House would re- wa . s this—that .if all they could do . towards reme anaal!lactoed over and onv a . ou f se , t u , vt :it member that immediatly before the Right Hon. and Learned dying the physical distress of the Irish people, was he n e ever had the '2.(1 - le a e :' e or candour t e n r , g t ain h o . r th en 3 ea h r. , h ld those o inions Gentleman got up to speak, the Right Hon. Baronet the Se- to afford them the distant prospect of improvrment ae w t er . e e gm ,-- , ssear.) p • - h-th P 1 . cretary of State f o r the Home Department had risen . for the held out to . them by this much talked of commission, utting all these thing . s toget er e peop e Was „ "I ." there • ur ose of explainino• certain expressions uaed by him, and he thought it far more necessary that they should pro a,s. th ins ,_ e is a Tory Government in England, and there P Lotiot 0h ,...'n . aprct. If the man t o %hem we must look up h . % h d ben a'clverted to by the Right Honourable vide other measures, which he believed were more indispen w lc a e . reit th e _ . !llo . Justice, how can we ?"—( Cheers. ) What had Member . - for Kildare (Mr. More O'Ferrall). It sable. It appeared to him that the more they considered the L d Howick), he confessed, actual state ot Ireland, the more ground there was for coming e l et pee ` t ltluct of their underlines in office ? What could appeared to him ( or , -w eer r " whe h ' ff d h • 11' h n t e Government su ere t eir ig er that the Right Hon. Gentleman s explanation was longer than to the conclusion, that they could not efface discontent from the ato act a d t ' as the words he had originally used ; but, at that country by the mere removal of its physical distress. No b e : the nod s they had done? Was it not a matter of course an no so c.ea h r h d t erceived anv material difference in doubt great poverty affected the masses ;no doubt the struogle Ilea catholieer.litnhg should_ say, "Oh ! strike off that fellow, t t h he eir sa m m e e a r: e, g e lf a he n u e nd P erstood the "Right Hon. Baronet's which existed there to obtain the means of even the most miser -1 . ebelief has _ e fellow will swear on his th . unett."- 7 .(H il ea h r i ..) words aright " he (Sir James Graham) had been told by his able existence, entered deeply into the causes of their discon iZb result of c he e e t n . confirmed .n the public mind in u in Noble Friendthe Member fur the City of London (Lord John tent. But he was persuaded that this bitterness was greatly B, ll ka g t)t a tri u h . nals He admitted that th . e Governoient tee beta, mPh, but they were in a more difficult poaition R 11) that we had military occupation of Ireland, which was increased, and never could have risen to the point at usse - 'n b • -e • The ' d. The Right Hon. Gentleman replied (and if which it had then arrived, if there had not rankled 11,, ti. eb eeed that t c h ountry . was exasperate . d more th . an ever, n e o t m g i o s t v o o e r n k e he could correct his words)—" Yes, we have mili. in the minds of the peop . le a constant sense of injury and wrong: oererught that the e d y ffi erdict . was not o c htaineu by t fair means. h tary occupation of Ireland, and it was necessary that ne Hence, e . ven if her Majesty's Government had been prepared I that iiTelierable • but' . !tittles o t f the te ov t e , trenronenthwater;iroeunse should have it when we saw obvious signs of a design to to deal with the physical evils of Ireland in a much larger and rt ai , ' 8 Opi n i on ' W if he nen ured sa . i wrest it from us by physical force." Those were the words more comprehensive manner than they were prepared to do— te ~., -s , that hi . ld b 'd a . s . of the consequences, it won e sal ~ of the Ri ht Hon. Gentleman. What was the real meaning had they been prepared to submit at once a law in relation to 1,, 0 ,,,v,ti1d ~a , , .: a t ntimpations produced the . result. But t . his aof their s g ayine the had military occupation of Ireland ? landlord and tenant—had they been prepared to 'propose the q e ;a l tret oe s e , h t i n m a to th st e a r n e d. t i t i nas th n e o con . stdera o t f m t n he on ß e t tr h th t w H h o ic n . Because they ' per y ceived indicaiions of an attempt to setting on foot a plan for public works, on an extensive scale, i te r t e la s n '.. a nthe Attorne - C 1 1 1 11.o l n h )'M mh 'f' wrest it f rom th e m by physical force.—(Hear, hear. ) were they prepared with a well considered system of colonise -10.0 pon s , h . t . t ienera . ear, ear. uc o . I i 'd St , hitY, also, rested with the Noble Lord opposite fr t h iou that throu h- tion, even were they prepared with all these measures, still he What did that mean, but t a tey were consc s .. g a els ab 'el'). He knew the rashness of the Noble Lord, hould have said that even these would not have roduced the out the great body of the Irieh people there reigned a spirit of s . . . . p *Ve i . eatira se An . m bu t h , and his readiness to attack any person what- disaffeetion—that they were retained in their allegiance, not by effect desired, ..hey would not have their influence uhless ac -411%4 e was sorr th 1, NT h th at y eres y at t.e s.oele Lord's antagonism an. .1 a sense of duty, but by a sense of prudence, in consequence of co . mpanied by other measures calculated . to remove from the i f . th ee e called forth in Ireland. He assumed the House G t able to maintain there— minds of the people of Ireland the galling sense of injury the force that the overnmen were . it b r. .s a wo uld never h v heard of the repeal of the union (Hear, hear)—that their-hearts were alienated from them, and and . injustice, more especially with reference to the * lisp s alat bee - a e - "- • 1 1 d heir ower rested not upon affection, but force ? That was partial treatment of the religion to wh . ich . they . ie onge . I ,, e _ t rat e ~._ n for him—( Hear, hear)—who did more to t, P. . ' of what the Right Hon. Gentleman had Unless they were prepared to do something in this respect, 5,,,,f . t G ov :_ e _People than any other Member ' even of th . e tne r d eal th me t a w ntn s g the real meanine of the measures which her every other measure they could adopt would be unavailing. (C a !iles, whi '_tirnent? He knew the Noble Lord s strong arn- t t s a . e —la a ka.. rd s, l en he never hesitated to express, and no doubt he Majesty's Government had ado ite'd But if that was the real Was it possible the Irish people could fail to feel most hitterly d i t ' know— and the Right the pressure of the manner in which they had dealt with the tr a r !to d o an tl e i. )2 thought that the Government had nothing state of things, be wa a n t te the ° same time admitted, that religion to which the great body of the people belonged ? Was t a p str ueei d _ to maintain the army and the income-tax. But . Honourable t G te ent t l y e l i t e i l e a h n could not permanently continue. it possible that the partial treatment of that ancient faith, to I. o „;alte n !!'e shot!id arise, what was to become of those who it was a s a bulk of the people clung with such attachment— TO th at .'-'_' .Part in the agitation. He would tell the Noble h the eould not alwa 's overn by force. which the He had told them t at . y . f . h ) t g 1 h tte ( Hear) —when compared with the treatment given to all other ii:7lsl o l4 t: eld a position which was of great responsibility. They mlght . do so for a time— or a s ort in erva . sue a s t a I fa iths should not create in their minds a constant rankling, and )4 ',edu ced ° ,rd's Right Hon. colleaeue had told him that he of things might be endured—but as a p . erma . nent instrumen o sense ' of injustice, which, while it existed, they could never a bs altl t e n , !ne troops in Ireland ; 'but he, Mr. &Ferrell) government in Ireland force was entirely ineffective. These • . th • ffection 2 The Rieht Hon. Gentleman had eat b e nins that 1 I were the words of the Eight Hon. Gentleman. But having hope to Vitt! eir a Nt ere 2a a l ong 00, i d ie meand to govern by th . e sword. it made that admission—when the Right Hen. Baronet, the said that, s . ince Roman . a o i C • th Fe Emlnci ration was ear • el Poli es, , 4)0 0 troops _an l a strong o . ne. He had said that there ualit he l d bee fll ne ' Member for Devonport ( Sir G, Grey ) having quoted that the principle of religious i. eq _y ..k n t u y en s," ee wows . fts reland, but If they pursued their present Id 1 • th tof the Government forced in Ireland. He ( ord Howic ) was a . a loss It. rJ. G ,„ .1 wish that the were fifty times augmented. most remarkab e et: aration on e par , d f 'gin I t rtAHAm y . had asked what were the means they propose l or reco e g v rin ' to understand the grounds upon which he maintained that 144 on, G rose te explain. He understood the t What were the simple facts of the case? The 4 0 :aid that tntlensan to have sa.d that he (S rJ. Graham) the affections of . the yish people . — . -wh f at d r . se ff ion . a t. pro w inch re- a men spect they ar a u . Roman Catholic Church was the ancient Church of Ireland. el% "es a e Policy of the Government would be to retain held out of getting rid of the spirit o as t i : a e e a c n i s o w n er f r om P the Some three centuries ago, or rather more, the endowments e. t k , Part of t veiled ef th s s , eat h he British dominions by military farce amongst th .. at people f —sliat w 2 la d He was sure he felt were, by their act, transferred from it to the Protestant ItiliC gee s e said was this, aed it was in the recollection Noble Lord, the Secretary or relan ... . lf B t Church—the Protestants being a small minority of the popula 46,_tainta t: : that the Established Church of Ireland should be for the difficulty in which his Noble btiend found him t s h e u at ' the tion—the great body of the people still adhering to their ancient 11 1 ;Z i tha t A Waallsits rights and privileges.—(Hear, hens ) He when asked a question o h f . such t v si a t s u t at r o xor in tao im ce m a e s iate d ' con- faith. Further, the great body of the people, from whom they ek e a,taey fo ,,__ necessary, so late as March, 1843, t o i ncrease gentlemao Jecil h ding the h m i e g nt e o ' f Ireland could do nothing but wrested their eodowrnents for their . religious wants, was the oe to Lee ut i ii :'_:e of Ireland, and that when they came into nexion with t e . Govern i erable details in defence of his poorest population in Europe, while those to whom they es ke state ta.. L.arY force in Ireland was diminished. He went come . for . ward with some m s d of attempting to prove how assigned the Church revenues were the wealthier classes. Nor t o ,, e rlaet tee " o 7 It became necessary to increase the army, in distribution of patronage,. an were towards Ireland. When was this all. They added insult to injury. Even to the Pres tklaedrnMent h the attempts which were made to overawe the kind and goe:d Itis interttions ld f rward with—while by terians, who were, by the letter of the law in Ireland, as l e , i th at ~ Y the demon t tian of physical force and he that was all his 'Noble 'Friend coo come o . . , . -tr ient l ' . was not sra • -•• • ' at the same time lie (Lord Howiek) knew his in.entions were much Dissenters as the Roman Catholics, they gave a share of et„ tie. „ to h oi „ r .. to be the permanent policy of the . Go . - as ood as he stated—when he heard such a statement as that the bounty of the State. The only part of the popula le 0 1 . L . n.e s u „ s _" .. _i a eland by military force, b . ut after vindi f o g m his Noble Friend, the case most be very serious indeed. !ion th . ey left unprovided with the means of religious ' ey v " hanar c :ni. cY • of the law, and not leaving to force on r H har ) Had her Majesty's Government seriously instruction was the great bulk of the people—that Pesti, ° aid set ', Pelding to intemperate counsel on the other, —( ear, e . . a t aof h er tut to the Crown of this country that inestimable reflected on the import of the words they had used, or class which stand most in need of pecuniary assistance. at i e r • SHA„Olajesty's dominions ( Cheers. ) on the greatness o e anger ose f th d th words in. Now he would ask them was that just? Did they think that t e r est he w said that h 1 • - dicated ? Did they Suppose that in the existence of Ireland could be reconciled to the continuance of that state a er r , tat th _ e wou d not nave troubled the /Tous l e, such general disaffection as that, that it was a of things, by such arguments as they were in the habit of t at e si ca 4tz b y the e k ) o rs . en time, had . he not been so . pointed y ease where they could wait for a More convenient sea- hearing in that House, and which they had heard that night 1 0 ,,,R;5al to `l' Jam es r .,° l ? Lord opposoe, and his Right Hon h . son for proposing better measures—did they suppose that every from the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Mr. Shaw)? i i li st. ! s he oolis `' si r o a n ua7) , during the present a h _e_ate, wit l hour of delay was not of the utmost importance ? Why, it Let them recollect that it was in vain for them to reason ever I .,, n n tite te i ti 4 l t therefore he o .. th e e sixty nam f eshfirmomto t t h r e o u g b e l e n e t Ze was true, while peace lasted, while they were not attacked from so closely in their own minds, unless they could persuade the ig i ' n ,site t o a fevv observationnsecaensdsary in d er oing so, it would be abroad, he believed there was no sort of danger of open resist- Irish people to agree . with them. They might reason as ti e _erl th e ; r efer to the details 1' th ' k t f Parliament under ance to their authority, and that if there were such resistance clo . sely as the best logician! that ever came from their untver _ re ks „ p eels , ;___ . o e. c o . exhibited, he was certain it would be repressed. While peace sines. Their premises might be unshaken, and their chain of I G N es ;nee w 'Jur) was made out. (The Right I on. en leo, tne A„ e st on to detail what was requisite to be done lasted, it was true. But the very consequence of that state of reasoning unbroken —all that might leo the ca yet if they l ee' the were as ' a ka " had se of Parliament.) A reat deal of misrepresen- things was, that all improvement in Ireland was arrested, failed to coovince the minds of the Irish peop e Y ider w s % es " fro tn g, ° ,ne abroad with re a g rd to the omission of the that every relation of life was poisoned, and the whole country far from their obtect as ever. What they ha n d t to co e s h n ther the a y thi n e ' la, t `ae list. Now the g re Ift of the case were was filled with strife and ill-blood ; men's passions raised, and not whet . her th . eir arguments were good, k ~,_ y O , • ea r s of . . . aac s . . uw f 11 ell that ere .1 wh o sixty or sixty-five names being onntted, eir anger exci e one ag n th • •t d ai st the other, and a state of society would weigh with the Irish people. He new u. w . could not avoid entering the i. t anet e l a were said to be Ro a Catholics, there Produced which, he thought, must be intolerable to all who he was wearying the House, but he a ) ._ ist; i _ e d n names omitted, and five w m n 1 I ced on were forced to abide amidst it. That might be the utmost ex- into one or two of those arguments which had been brou ht b eoo , n this hap d • • ere wrong yp a the Church Establigsh t tof the evil, and, God knows, it was bad enough. But he forward. One of the first respecting able s ‘ines. ~ Pene in transferrirg between 4,000 and eu Rh' H bl ad been advanced by the ig s onoura e ei t ,„_ on ih _ Ihe result was that, instead of their being 741 would ask, had they reflected what would be the result if a ment, which h rested u on the Act of Union, and he tle a 7ent ~,7 general list, there were only 717. Great ex- foreign war broke out—what would be their situation if they Gentleman, t f It w p ith his ( Lord Howick's) friend 4, 1 '141 ae revailed ia Dublin res ect• -th t' 1 d were again called on to carry lan a mortal struggle for their found Krea au ing . ose ma s s an . h fif h t• le of the Act of t a n to t em attorneys on bth 'cl p tence with a foreign enem —when amidst such difficulties, for saying that t e t ar lc 13: bi n 'le m a k. 0 si es attended his Court to at- eats . y ~ . Union ought to be expunged.—( Hear. hear.) . What r. _ e b oers 0 ing out of the general list. The Court sat nearly one.third of the whole population of the empire were tt _ T he u . n each day from the Bth to the 1 4th.of Novem- not ready to take part with them, but against them—when was the ground of the Right Hon. Gentleman's objection to h P l• t f I I d hihareedto 1 0 ' 1 4 in Parish collectors made tsr I r h• h they were ready, olt the first favourable opportunity, to rise up that ?W . h . y, that t e ar . 'amen o r l e an ,wc t g ta t he - 6 h is Court. asrh ou . a „enera ist, w ic . was dth t against the Government with that deadly hatred which sprung that provision, was exclusively and pure . y Protestan ,an . a . oerit. ells of the Pea r rev; , sed h a copy . was given h from civil dissensions? Did they really consider how fearful a they never would have agreed to the union else. .They migh . t otrf ettwhiehnitblin was divided w ' e t an t ded t it to . t e p h danger that was ? Peace might continue, but it was mOre than have been purely Protestant, but they were certainly pure in stereetediffieatilltl!ts°f;"oo names' was in m e ade. S T y con - se a g r u is en e c s e any one could say that it was to last for ever. Did they not see no oth . er sense.—( Hear, hear, and laugh . ter.) What was called - alio, - ere ah eu te t - „,„' he cotlectors had t o m a ke out a - f u ll li st that the continuance of such a state of things furnished them, the Irish Parliament was the most notoriously corrupt assembly Wd Wer e f . ' , set) persons whose name. were omitted, a n d on every petty misunderstanding, with a temptation, knowing that had ever met, and could ha . ve no pretence to have ever . re -14 tt o have arterwards added to the 4,000. The great struggle the source of England's weakness, to ask for that which was in• presented the opinions nf the Irish people. It had been said — te e : ti.ti th e s t .'e n.ames put at t h e top of the list, to enable the m Fensistent . with her interests. Did they not risk, by maintain- and he believed the Right . Hon. Gentlentan would say so him 0_ m in _ opecial Jury. The names were tO be arranged lug inch a state of things the power of carrying on war self—that as a representation of the Irish people it was the 1 1 `,toald b : , c . ' rank and property, arid it was required that there with 'advantage ? That was' the effect of the policy now veriest farce and delusion that had ever been acted ; and to say e.4,tight tonir classes of qualifications. If a person e stablished adapted towards Ireland.-s-( Hear. )He knew what he-should be that that Parliament, because it was purely Protestant, was at n a eso e placed on the list, his name had, to be interlined, told—that those were things which ought not to be publicly liberty to tie the great English and Irish nations to all per toe rss was placed o osite to h . 'oned—that the d t o ; of the offi pp . is name to draw the atten- wenn anger of the country ought hardly to be petuity—( Hear, hear)—and combine in making one thing for t ie _ _ cer to it, that tt might be transferred by the re- whispered, much less publicly mentioned in that House. If, ever binding in their consciences, was to maintain a system emf, ". He took each ef the °O • s • b ferbearin to s eak fh d h ld t•d f wh . ch shook ever rinci le of tural 'tf Wh h ti kh were disp - parishes ; and when the claims Y . g . P ot e anger tey cou ge ri o . 1 • y p p . . na . jus ice. en t-e lit'lla were perfo-rosed of, he considered that his judicial func- its existence ; if, however they might delude . themselves as to Right Hon. Gentleman said that the union was a ground for J • med, and in that o • • the real state of things, he could believe that it was not under- maintaining the Church Establishment, he only furnished an tti,v. ustice Perrin. But th d b pinion he was confirme y te ri t e to be perfor d ere was a duty of an administrative db,tl se to whom the knowledge of it was of such argument to the Hon. and Learned Member fur Cork in favour stoo 2, 10., . ~ y, u _ a me , namely, to have th eral list pro e gen importance—tf he did not believe that to open the eyes of the ofthe repeal of the uoion ; but as an argument to reconcile the th e i . r nged according to k countr to the situation in which they were placed was the Irish people to that ChurchEstabllshment, he must indeed have !lal ar e fg a ir rar so to arrange threanlist a a nd d property. He ordered first ste y p to carrying such measures as that situation required— the simplicity of a child to have for a moment believed it. ;c4,e, oo Phabetical crder. Ther'e n w t e o re put ti t t h er e e n fo a r m e es 4 in 5 7 0 - if he did not entertain that conviction, be should not have One of the chief ornaments of the Established Church said that o rlttir t :;_rues altogether, and eut of them the re- spoken of that state of things. But, thinking so, he should the . only ground upon which an E . stablished Church could be } i , '4l, tk uK 717 fur the Special Jury list instead have failed in his duty if lie did not tell them the danger tn maintained, was on that of conferring benefit on the great body 4,,,ear ee t ns making a difference of twenty-four Now which he believed them to be ; and here he cOUld not avoid of the people.—( Hrar.) Some of the ablest and best defenders s , s e sa fro:line explanation as to how they were Omitted ' He repeatino an observation which had been made over and over of our Church admittcd . that it should be maintained only so far 14.bou nd g l e the statement made to him by the registrar;and he aisain iri that House, that it was not the existence of agitation as It promoted . the spiritual welfare of the great body of the e tt il!et h ,,',_ .add, after the strictest investigation made into tie in' I r eland th a t was th e source of that danger, that it was not people ; that it should be supported for the . a . dvantage of the le ar r s t i l l lene . ° tell, that he was satisfied of the truth of his the violent language used at meetings, that it was nOt the enor. greater number.. Wh . en t the ... anom t, aous pi9sition of the Irish r aet es had b ee sta ted , that as a list from each of the t wen t y mous multitude s te a t a tt en d e d those meetings, that it was not people w,.as mentioned _t_o be iPgh Hon ; lidaronet, _the Seere. a m !,si nmi _ . n returned separately, he thought it would be the p eo p l e being organised 1 1 the Repeal Association nor the tary of State for the Home departmen ~ how did he answer ? ki t , e li st a i l - ti t : take each class by itself. He took up the gene- Repeal rent, that in themselves constituted the danger. 'f hose '‘ Oh, yes, said he, " but the great majority of . the people of ' 4 l) L la sses f t a .l,', ll i ! marked names. There were therefo re were merely the s i gns a n d s y m pt o m s o f th e di sa ff e ction in Great Britain and Ireland belong to the Established Church lkit l r• T n h e —e " Parish. which he placed on sep'arate sh ee t s ' which the danger really c o n si s ted. H e b e li eve d th e re w as no and by the Act of Union it is the United Chu' ch of England ki l l ek es m ulti ;le were, therefore, 180 sheets that is_, twenty gentleman of ordinary reflection who did not agree with him, and Ireland," That was the most satisfactory explanation the Itlet c _tleelssa _ Pued by the nine classes. These lie called over that it was the state of mind which prevailed amongst the po- Right Hon. Baronet gave—but did he think that the people of te ak u thi s, h wlth the original list : having, a h th oht ulattma in that uountr w h i ch constituted! and alone consti- Ireland would not see through this shallow sophistry ?—( Hear, ,Pki 4 , hoiz ,I, P.! hY the general list. The n e exi iie s ti te , e vc , C a o M t . 0 . i t 3 uted, the real danger. y lf so, did it not follow as a necessary hear.) Did he remember how much that argument prevailed teig ass t o e nine classes of the different parishes, on p e gene- inference, that by merely repressing the outward signs of die- when they attempted to force Episcopacy on Scotland?—( Hear, th e _ on t h c ° ll stit u t e th ts ets ~ e t a b,. ~, e general list. For this purpose he content they did no real good, unless they removed that discon- hear,) Why, ii he were uot very much mistaken, he heard is' St l "atai • '- ''''e several sheets f or use . O ne o f t h ose tent from which the signs preceeded ? Nay, instead ef doing the Right Hon. Gentleman himself say, some years ago, in 1 44 ' Attd nln g 15 names f fe 'lid " i fs par' h d passages o the class called traders, belonging good, it vss possible they might tl . ter e by increase the danger. one of . those highly wrought and beautifully expresse _ . er e• ti is , was mixed with the blank sheets and They might do so by blinding their eyes to the of which he was so much a master, the chief title of the people math_ of th _ hen upon o i n t tt ers,„ ot e h na mes _ g . g over the names he found that . . ' fact of its continuance and by renderin more bitter of Scotland to the admiration of the world, wai the manner in e t k lerr e4 B ', Y lng the ' . g h' hh . h h •d E • •S 1 d (H h ) ; were altogether overlooked, and that five those feelings of discontent by the very means wic wict ey resiste piscopacy in cot an . ear, ear. 'lb t ° h e i nto the proper crosses opposite their names were they took to repress the agitation. Then he said, if they were He thought the Right Hon. Gentleman had told them_ 50me 10,,,,s it ei . °mitted common list instead of the special list, so to ju . dge of the policy of her Majesty's Government, they must thing ot the Scotch people having trusted to their good clay wits t . s ‘s th at 0. altogether from the special jury list. constder whether it had been directed to regain the affections mores.—( Hear, hear. ) The memory of the Irish was not less wita tt 'lard to oe omission of t t Pet 'ettla tt the rern a . • . wen y-four names occi . . irred of the people of Ireland or merely to repress the power of re- quick or retensive than his, and they would naturally say, what d ' • l b cl• t th • autherit was ood for Scotland must be ood for Ireland (Hear hear ) r ,„On th was uod ining thirty-six the Right Honourable sistance, an maintain externa o e ience o mt. y. . g . . g . . , . '',- 0 1116 e li st erstood to say that they were improperly He was far from denying that force was necessary to obtain The present condition of the Irish Chutch was the ° 'e am S ' . an d , as • - • • - b d d t tth thorit of the Executive Go- best argument for Repeal, and was contrary to every principle e ofth au to one instance, he said teat the name o e ience an o preven eau y egr et e tai nt , ,°f Stephen's- ree h d was vernment and of the Imperial Parliament from insult. That of natural justice. It was sacrificing the interests of the great th ese t o hi,_ ,s• His Right H g n,..w o was dea , . . h f 1 d - tt d • but he contended that the measures which majority of the people to a mere fraction of the people.— lita, .list s. `" tnat there h on. Friend had expressed his e ree yami • e , sh ,, ste n o ,,a.id h e ..._ ~ s ould be any error, wii h regard to had been adopted for that purpo _ . se should have been considered (Hear, hear.) They mistook the interests of the feeling that 4 4 ' c i he „Ln s own " r ri r n e not obtrude upon the House the ex- tvith great . care, a . nd of a very moderate character . ; .l an _ a d th t existed in Ireland, and underrated the strength of their resent * %to '' °velar, ~ E t• The fact was, time was presting, if uncombined with others they would be of no who . ~ •N ow, .. ment He firmly believed that the Irish people might have r at e etlY e 5 'mous to h thi ete 0 • mmed . ave everything done accurately wen e came h h to consider the conduct of her Majesty s Go- been Induced to submit to the Established Church had not the ht, :g was tie o r the om iately after the list was made up he vernment, it did appear to him that whatever degree of vigour safety of that Church been made the, pretext for ioaintaining th e 4 or a i e t ° t nsnlet e . er s Of the Court, hopi n g t h a t every _ they had displayed, it was confined entirely to their measures cruel abuses.—( Hear, hear. ) The Established Cnurch had e ci _Sh e s.,. ed, h e a r n being informed that some names had for repressing external signs of disobedience ; and that even In been mad . e the pretet . for meintalniog the penal laws, which er 7.,e . d. :,t, was adva w ote to the Sheriff to put it right but the measures a d opte d f or that purpose there was a singular were a disgrace to civilization and the blackest stain on the t i Nr G the f on _ `sed not to touch the list. which he ' re- lack of prudence, of foresight, and of firmness ; but that with pages of English history.—( Hear, hear. ) They should not th lya ohis eorg e R:etnanies which had been omitted were those those measures there had been combined little or nothing in forget that year after year Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite te e l Ives Is ellet a , ot .the late Lord Mayor ; Mr. Hoyte, Mr. the other di re cti on . Of the measures having for their aim the came down to that House, and when equality of civil rights V e ng h e " ca.s e h ' l !r gentleman, and when he found that regaining of the affections of the Irish people, he must say was demanded for the Catholics of Ireland they resisted them, to 2 4 , h tho neht Leelinmediately wrote to the High-Sheriff, the promises held out were infinitely below what alleging that the Established Church would be shaken to its a p tve a ,:eetion of tl ,,_ might inser theirt names himself under the peopl e h a d a r i g ht to expect, and infinitely below what the foundation.---(Hear, hear.) Oh, how short-sighted was the i/ 4 hi arcend Lue Act of Parliament. Hs then offered exigencies of the case demanded. ' In the last session of Par.. Right Hon. Baronet when he used such a pretext as that.— . POu laSelf th ment of th ls 'to sear • e res e tst to the High-Sheriff, or take liament, in the very remarkable debate which took place on the (Hear, hear.) Did he not recollect that they would fill the % e el% 1 9hin g for Ponsibility of adding the omitted names. motion of the Hon. Member for Limerick (Mr. S. O'Brien), people of Ireland with detestation of that Church ? After !h e ! We a t e l n from t he "teen names which had been o m itt e d they, on that (the Opposition) side of the House had stated very Catholic Emancipation had been granted was not that Church tt e ,;' spok,,r'sced w ." Audeon's parish, the sheet on which fully what were the measures which they thought the situation still put forward in the most offensive manner as the opponent seli a e ear e c a t .° the ° i s fimild amongst the blank sheets. He of Ireland required. He (Lord Howick) himself had troubled of the liberties and privileges of the Irish people. For the sake a Nate,. •ssltt e d th eer of the Court and said, " Now you the House with a very full statement of his own opinions on the of that same Church they had, even withio the last few years, Ivii!sa :Of both part''s error r .. Yon rn ' ust go and inform ' the point. Perhaps in doing so he went beyond the strict line of refused justice on the matter of the franchise, and on the F ati'l,thi,."egsar,T44 resp ie : ?;.tue error."—( Hear. )He did this his duty, as an independent Member of Parliament, having no gulation of municipalities—they w_ould n h ot equ h alts h e the t m h wtth t Iti ta - led te h to the gr t ns 'uilitY, and from a sense of duty. official responsibility, and being able to boast of no personal ac- those of England for fear of the Churc Este Its men eing th e ' lad t i n ethe r th _ !en names on the mislaid sheet, he never quaintance with Ireland. But he thought the situation of that endangered.—( Hear, hear.) Those things, he repeated, te a r :w ere f t. fro m t al e Were Protestants or not ; but his belief country so full Of danger, that it was the duty of all who had had sunk . deeply into the hea : rts of the Irish people. the a _wer e I ?rnat t c ath arnes and localities, that the majority of strong opinions as te the necessity of a change of policy, to state Did they think that three centuries of oppression, fur the th e ;mgh b et rotestaot olicsebut the majority of the remaining the grounds of that opinion, for the consideration of her Majes- purpose of strengthening the bulwarks and outworks of that t i a lt a b e 'sat a we eti4,oo r s ; Considering that they had to . go Ws Government and of this House. In rept} to what was Church, had not produced its nece . ffe . ssary e cts en the minds 4 41 , 1 , an c i t .'Y very r , a nd 5,000 names, he did not think that urged from that (the Opposition) side of the House, her Mae of the It ish people? Let us put ourselves in the position of the Nee i n ti m th e eb b:eat negligence in omitting twenty-four jesty's Government made many objections to what was pro- Irish people, and suppose that they were the stronger country, 1 % 0 1, hav et ,u o t thi rik n eC of a ballot among such a number as posed, but they suggested nothing whatever of their own. So and that they wanted to force their Church upon us, would we Ca t h" ali o "een r stu s ' . 11 they were not omitted the result much so that his Noble Friend, the Member for London, at not resist them ? Yes; and the Right Hon. Baronet would be li s ell e W hi t , ,eu different fro h • ' th • ' d h 11 th dto have changed the first to offer that resistance, and resist it too with. the clay mwat it was. The House e time, observe tat rea y ey see . me . fr ao , - --(lf e L° add, 11 1, 0 th 3 . 1p 0t0 :ri s i coti . ar is , ' "ear.) t f'he a h t tha registrar was a Roman places, and gentlemen from the Opposition side seemed to be more. Could the Right Hon. Baronet put his hand . .on his 1. ho lt ~ or 0 elieved for one moment that speakin as if they were entrusted with the solemn heart, and say he would submit to such an imposition pa le 4 11 e aUd . ° "Uptly 1 f A t k li f - d . Pl' h • ffi t• tl (H h ) F h• th Sts 00 , sub jcct L . e t out those names, he WOOL -as 0 - recommenoing to e arnament on t eir . o - ien y.— ear, ear. or is or owic s par , e (L d H •IC ) t h je p e e city u 'i what ro r i m to punishment.—( Hear, hear.) cial responsibility some scheme of policy which might would avow that he would not submit to such an injustice—he %eliti st of b ow ght be said in that House,. but give a hope of quieting the distractions of that unhappy would not tamely bow to the yoke. Now, if they woold - not botl: rt g hi s .any oiaa "_ , where he was known, he believed c o untry , while Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite seemed ern- submit to a Roman Catholic Church Establishment, they being Part,, s t !des 4.aunt enan ' o _°r Creed would think him capable of ployed in the humble task of criticising—perhaps, he should ra- Protestants, how could they expect that the Irish people would t r ,"„edi t ,: i ad coo lie H o Z . tti any such thing•—(Cheers from titer say , carping— at the line of policy suggested. Her Ma- endure it ? . —(Hear, hear.) . The Hon.. and Learned . Membe . r 'in ee's--(ti '" have •• ) Re was satisfied no motive of a jesty's Government had, at that time, no thi n g to suggest. for the University of Dublin, in adverting to the subject, said or a i t a se oo ear, h e influenced him to sanction such a pro- They took the whole recess t ei h .,.ted . , th e a _ art) o consider what measures they he had taken his stand upon the great ground of religious unity : nut h e Part of h . . ieve tat it was ow g He bd . d h ' in to should propose, and what were those measures of the Right truth.—(" Hear, hear," from Mr. Shaw.) Now, if there was 17 t ed ` n d bl was cont is registrar that the names were Hon. Baronet the Secretary of stat e for the Home Depart- any one thing more calculated than another to aggravate the j i, eos t , , ted ante o r wh ent to take upon himself the respon- ment, who certainly always did display to the best advantage Irish people, it was such a declaration. That was as much as N °•11, ) f v j a ' sUbjes at had occurred. He had been at- such wares as he had to offer to the House ?—( Laughter. ) to say the Roman Catholics were wrong, and we were ' 4 % 0 4 to nt ° low e d la -ted to the abuse of hired counsel, and Even he, with all his art, could show them nothing but right. —(" Hear, hear," from Mr. Shaw.) Yes, yes (conti tha te t t of ent t o so r in this deb • ate might attack him but a most beggarly account of empty boxes He had tld them nued the Noble Lord), of course the Hon. and Learned ‘Ct ho u ._ r iegli„ e 'nit tO it all - ' ' •d d that before Easter th y • ' o ' • • • d d' Ihe (Lord Hovvick) firml b e eers -°' for 'I ne e , but ' t ,), a •—(Cheers.) He might be In . ee . were . to introduce a Registration Member thinks so ,an so . it h h was to include an e e le islatin n y Ise tvi,,tsti -.) r. , tame . 1 s unintentional. He thanked Bill, %vele xtension of the county franchise. lieve , but what he complained of was g g upo t.at thm l c :" befo - t 0 wow ez::,llt they gave to his statements.— and relieve the town voters from some vexatious formalities. opinion. —(Hear.) Catholics had been admitted to an equality of 'g l om u tel f aile e th e g ouse w advert very briefly to the general He had told them also that A commission had been appointed to civil rights. And the Legislature should not tell them by *obit L t h re ßa b 4 r oln the .;,. ,, 1 . - 15 heard with great satisfaction inquire into the law and practice in Ireland in relation to the their legislation that their creed was false and idolatrous, 1 ,4 e Ord, h _ to t h e , n _!,:t.it . Hen. Baronet and the Noble occupation of land ; and . that was all positively of the slightest which in effect the Hon. and Learned Member for the Urti ttleregtint quitt rveve r, see tst Wished Church in Ireland. The importance which the Right H . on. Baronet had to offer, at a versity of Dublin had done._(Hear, hear.) Roman Catholics .ne p n e a t t Prem. ~u:ed " willing to wound " though he time which he himself had admitted was so critical that all the were as conscientious in their religious belief as Protestants, and la rot e v o eat e f cu' to strik -1 ' ' - •al force of Ireland was arrayed against them and w th L • 1 ' - • • h• di belief at It i 'orus ev s ,tant reti 9 the p ro , e• —(Cheers. )He was physic . . ._, , as e egis . attire should not either insinuate t eir . s . te a ti lld - ,,, - "'n Wicht" as est es.tant Church —(Cheers)—and only kept down by positive military f 2 rce—that was all the that conviction or scoff at that religion, by proclaiming one lit e " '' st . " --- ( Che '''' e State - a_blished by law should be upheld Right Hon. Baronet, the Secretary of state . for the Home De- creed as " the ground of religious truth," and treating all who mile r ana , _ ..,1 . .. s atid . e ln every portion of the United pertinent, was able to suggest to the British . Hou . se of Com. dissented from it as. if they were unworthy of consideration.— I t: bii sh ile m ara inicat inocrealter• cheers ) It appeared to him , roons. Now, with respect to the Bill for registration, such a (Hear, hear.) What right could he have to assume the Pa , Nois e i d Chu: l . '4 °' e the ity in the Noble Lord to say that 1 measure was greatly wanted ; and the extension . of the county privilege of judging upon the respective merits of the Roman , tii a , e -em L o. 4u sh ould Le t o& were above persuasion, the ; franchise, if given in a liberal and confiding spirit, eyould be of Catholic and the Protestant . religions? Did he not remember i'lite t r: e ms wlj ch °li ght to D teecen.pheld in all its entegrity. ! great advantage, as 1 't would remove a great and ying wrong. that more than half the Christian world adhered to that faith, e - li s t4 eoi, t h at rnea su P a 'aed the II oti ect that the Protestant ; —( Hear. hear.) He trusted that lt it would be conceived in a that it had sent its mi • ' ssionaries to the most remote parts of the av er s \ Ir e i aa , re if t i s _ ~. ion would never have con- I spirit that would not be a new H i e ns h u o e c d oi t ce w a led under the guise ld h b h • elir exerlions t romoted the good of their fellow , bei ', li e " ' was t "'Y old not believe th P ould turn out a real w m or n ' a w nd ° th Y e t t ' l liat a :',ll p ro • er spehe of a t o ) be upheld.-- (Cheers e and rotestant of a boon. d — . ( f He o ar it h w ea o r ti • l ) d remov: a wrong which was very an e d the privatiognsertlyteyeen?lunre'd , and ave w a h m o, le by woo th f ei o r f s t r ei e r ri s n i g a ! t ot o 7risti e _tide to a teerrniroeatiorsal distribution of e p e a u r n is t r e - s , b l e v el a n ße , t i a s t ' the same time, unless it was coupled with cerity.?—( Hear, hear, and cheei-s.) ire a i sserted that they V t inqt:t....... ( Z he a sect, the la r t i t al one, but the former was' the g other measur ' es, he Could tell the Right Hon. Ra : ronet its only , should now do full and ample justice to the people of Ireland, I,. 4 te lit ,° the ai t ers : ) The e t't* was the es=ence of an es.a- ' real value would be, that it oould put new arms ioto . the hands an d tha : t a t the earliost possible period. If they had granled I t t , .. ht ~ erat iens _ . night Hon Gentl tat e the i i `-nur c h arid imaq . o • eman then 'of the friends of Ireland, and thus ertable them to ansist On the , Catho . hc Emancipation at art earlier period, and had shown ti, ' to l d °'ne.o c a ' a nd said i r vernents made in the Irish redress of other more su i bstant al grievances. With respect to ', after it a sense of confidence in the Irish people—if some years i ll %i t ., tub es tholie 0 , • t was unjust and un ene h • ' It . to land, he trusted that that ago they had consented to the Appropriation clause--(Loud g rous, t e commission re a ing r g w to attaek theen 1.1, 1 et as as piera were rel . d ieve from church- mi ht also prove advantageous, but he confesied he cries of " Hear, hear")—such a formidable systematic agitation ' , it th 0d,..... more c , Protestant Church as the g a dbt on that point. ' w ould not now pervade that couutry. He warned that House e 4. (0 ,• • a xeulated t y had. could not help entertaining some ou s ita, ss PP ani on: ek __ . 0 . keep alive excitement It was perfectly true that the social condition of Ireland was before, that by the withdrawal of this clause from the Irish ‘qerat)e oeurs ) h , . rs w ere e _ . ,. : 1 ere was an impression in that respect greatly neglected. Serne improvement was , Church Bill they left behind them a much larger demand, and vry much • °Pposed to each other most urgently called for, but it was another question whether 1 one which would come speedily upon them. If they had only MORNING, FEBRUARY 16 1844 consented to some compromise at that time the Roman Ca tholics would at once have agreed to but they refused, and, he regretted to say, were supported by the 'prejudices of the people of England. As they had then yielded nothing to the people of Ireland, so now that people would yield nothing to them, and perfect and e loaf justice must be ceded to Ireland. He knew that in certain quarters he was likely to meet with little sympathy, but still he thought it to be his duty to tell the whole truth, and he again asserted that the time was now come when they should render full and impartial justice to Ireland, and there were many modes in which this might be done. In the first place, in England the Protestants formed the majority amongst the different religious persuasions, and there the Pro testant religion was by law established ; in Scotland the ma jority belonged to the Presbyterian, and there that was the Esta blished Church; and as the Roman Catholic religion was the faith of the majority of the people of Ireland, so also he thought that three centuries ought not to have been allowed to pass away without the endowment of that Church in that country. He thought that they ought in this case, for the peace of Ireland, to make a provision for the spiritual wants of all l uses of the population of the kingdom, according to their number. He knew all those subjects were open to much ob-• jeetion. and environed with many difficulti es —( H ear , h e ar)— butre mustan still hde he and adoptedf e w lt i n in te convincedaffections ed cetr o h t no a s t o s foma insuree gp s ao u l t aando coursed tranquillity e g generous isla ion l na tion. The House should remember, th a t ou t o f eight millions and a half more than s i x m illi ons were Roman Catholics ( Hear, hear) —and s h ou ld g ran t I to them the same right as those which they were willing to ac cord to persons of any other religious persuasion. He knew that Catholics and Protestants differed on doctrinal points, but still he knew it was the fundamental principle of all Christian sects to " do unto others as you would be done by," and all he asked from her Majesty's Government was, act upon this text.— ( Loud cheers.) He knew they had many difficulties to contend with, and that they had to battle against the long-cherished prejudices of the people of this country ; but. still the peace of Ireland imperatively demanded that those difficulties should be boldly met. The Right Hon. Baronet had acknowledged that the cause of all their differences was the question of the Esta blished Church. He (Lord Howick) certainly agreed with him, that it was at the bottom of all their differences.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) Was not the House aware that until this question was settled they could never rely upon the Roman Catholics of Ireland? for they would be :contiuually seeking to overthrow this system, and no power could ever induce them to submit to the pi esent state of that Church. Upon this subject the whole Roman Catholic body were united, and had no trust in that Government, nor, indeed, could the Government rely upon them. This unfortunate question met them in every instance—it was even connected with the jury box.—( Cries of " Hear, hear," and loud cheers.) The late in dictment which had been just tried in Ireland could not be said to be so much preferred against Mr. O'Connell as against the Irish people.--( Loud cheers.) That eminent statesman, Mr. Burke, in his speech upon tke American question, which had been so frequently quoted, said it would not do toapply the usual narrow and pedantic rules of criminal jurisdiction, and that he knew not how to bring an indictment against a whole people. But her Majesty's Government were more clever than Mr. Burke, for they had solved this truly difficult problem. He should remind his Hon. an I Learned Friend that it was a fundamental principle in the administration of justice to have an im partial jury. If a foreigner was to be tried he would have the right to claim that one-half of the jury should be foreigners, and was there less reason for imputing, prejudice to the jury upon those trials than there was to doubt the impartiality of a London jury in the ease of a foreigner. Mr. O'Connell and his friends knew that there was a still stronger feeling against them, yet they could not avail themselves of the privilege to which every foreigner was entitled. He felt convinced that if the Church questiox were settled there would be an end of that combination which at present existed in Ireland, and per haps the Right Hon. Baronet would find numbers amongst the Catholic population of Ireland who would be as staunch supporters of his sliding-scale, and of the principle of agricul tural protection as he would for Church Reform—(Laughter) —but while it was left unsettled it would absorb all others• Were they not aware that the machinery of a free Govern ment was for the express purpose of giving force and effect to the deliberate and express will of the great body of the people. Trial by jury, the elective franchise, and the whole machinery of a free Government were constructed for no other purpose, and when they attempted to administer the forms of freedom against the will of the people, it was a task which never could be satisfactorily performed. It was then that the institutions of the jury failed them, and the elective franchise became a serious evil. Questions arose in every turn, in every social relation. The Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Shaw) complained of the Irish landlords having been treated with injustice. Still he (Lord Howick) thought the Hon. and Learned Gentleman could not deny that in Ire land many of the owners of land were unjust 'and oppressive. The landlord was oppressive to his tenant ; and all those struggles might be traced to the subject of the Church, which ran through every portion of society. Whatever improvement they introduced, still if they left this question open, they would not get rid of the irritation. He came back then to this, they must be prepared to do justice to the Irish people in this matter of the Church Establishment, or they would see no ter mination to the existing state of that country. The fit would continue, and the chronic disease would eat into the very vitals of the country. There was no possible alternative or middle course in the principle of government upon which they could act. They could only rule through the affections of the people. They could not hope to maintain the affections of the people unless they really did justice to them ; and without the affec tions of the people there was but one alternative in governing the country, and that was by force. If, indeed, it was in their power to put an end to the forms of freedom—if they abo lished trial by jury—ii they abolished the elective franchise —if they could govern Ireland as a great Crown colony by an order in Council, then he could conceive it possible that this system could go en. They must abolish the free press—prevent discussion of all kinds. If they could do this—if it were in thei.t power to establish such a system as Chet adopted by Austria in the Italian provinces, it was possible, perhaps, for them to return to a state of quiet. They might, by such a system, drive the people into a state of apathy ; but he thanked God that it was not in their power to adopt that principle. They could not abolish the forms of freedom in Ireland, and, therefore, having those forms of freedom existing, they must govern in a spirit of freedom, or the present excited state of society must continue ; and he could assure them, that if they did allow it so to continue, they must be prepared for worse results. The present system was dreadful, and was corrupting everything that was good in itself. Even an ex tension of education would only make the Irish people more sensible of the injustice under which they laboured. Even if an improvement were to take place as to the wealth and resources of the country, he believed that under the present system, it would have no other effect than to make the present struggle a permanent one, to which there could be no end. It would not terminate even if that lamentable catastro phe were to occur, the hope of which he feared there were men guilty enough to entertain, if the co existing discontent were to break out into open rebellion, and if the flames of resistance were to be crushed. He believed that even if than awful calamity were to come upon us, when the resistance was over, and tranquillity restored, they would be in precisely the same condition as before. Nay it would be worse than before, for all hope of reconciliation with the Irish people would then be at an end. There would then be no possible termination to the struggle, except, perhaps, by that which under such circumstances would be inevitable—not the repeal cf the legislative union, but the entire severance of the two kingdoms. Such a fatal result could alone terminate so disastrous a struggle. God grant that they might not, in their party divisions and party distrac tions, continue until it was too late for them to apply a remedy. Before he concluded, having thus stated his views upon this momentous question—before he concluded, he had a few words to say upon the terms of the motion then before the House. His Noble Friend opposite, the Secretary for Ireland, last night said that thi s vo t e f or a C o mmittee was not with a view to inquiry, but for the purpose of casting a cen sure upon the Government, t o be immediately followed, if successful, by their resignation. It was perfectly true that, by his vote, he meant to imply such an understanding of the meaning of his Noble Friend. He thought it was absolutely necessary that Parliament should proceed without delay to adopt measures of a far more comprehensive kind, and of a far different charac ter, from those promised by her Majesty's Government. This was what he felt was implied by the vote, and he believed that it was a parliamentary and constitutional method of ask ing the House of Commons to eXpress its opinion. He admitted also that the House could not expre ss that opinion without in a certain degree implying censure upon her Ma jesty's Government, and he admitted that, m the ordinary course of affairs, the adoption of such a vote by that H ouse would naturally he followed by their resignation. At the same time, he did most solemnly assure the House that he did not support that motion because he wished to achieve any party tri um ph, or b ec ause he desired that her Majesty's Government should b o e f _ dismissed from power. That was not his object. —( Criel " Oh, oh," and cheers from the Opposition benches) . But hether believing measures to be absolutely necessary, even w to au - they remained in power or not, he must ask the Housee. which, port the motion. He looked upon this questio n a s edanb mere a like the Catholic question, could never be carrittleem y ent of party triumph. He believed that the es the this question could only be acconop nion of the Catholic question had been accomplished , by the two great parties which divided that House and this country —to sacrifice pre-conceived opinions and mutual and to combine in doing that which was necessary for the welfare of Ireland and the safety of the empire. He was per suaded that this was the only mode by which those measures could be carried—in fact, it was only the Catholic question over again, • in another shape. Precisely the same difficulties anddangers which they had then to struggle with had now arisen for them to encounter. He hoped the Government would seriously consider how great was the responsibility which was now placed upon them.—(Hear, hear.) He knew that they on this side of the House could not carry this question against their will. Had his object been to overturn the Government, he felt that the House would understand that he would not have expressed in so earnest a manner the opinion he had that night avowed. He was not ignorant of the great mass of prejudice—of honest prejudice no doubt, that would be arrayed against him for doing so. He wished to compromise no man by what he had said, but was the truth, he was persuaded that what he had said and if they feel it to b calmly reflected upon it they . would fate eso—that in this of the conjuncture—this awful conjuncture t of the British empire, it was their most solemn duty toheir God and their country, to consider how the present state of Ireland could be terminated by other means than t thong that he had pointed out, and if they had no other means ot tc_isautggest, which had a rational prospect of success, not to reject that to them. Having said this, it only remained for apologise time he had takensin cerelythe up, and to his utter inability to give utterance to his deep regret at a subject • to the half of what he felt upon such as this. Strangers were then o rdered to withdraw, but the Hou se did not divide. On the re-admission of strangers to the gallery, we found Sir R. PEEL addressing the House. He said—For the Noble Lord who last session said that he was not prepared to endanger the Protestant Establishment in Ireland—(Cheers) —and who, in the course of the present session, said that the nearest approach that could be made to the sati s f act i on of the Catholics, would be to doubl the grant to Maynooth— (Cheers)—and who now proposed to have three sepa rate establishments in that country—a Protestant, a Presbyterian, and a Roman Catholic—for him now to taunt Gentlemen on that (the Ministerial) side of the House, with not answering the speech of the Noble Lord who had last sat down was to say the least of it indiscreet, if not uncharitable.—( Cheers. ) For his part, he (Sir R. Peel), seeing that_ a larg e port i on of the House was unwilling that the debate should be closed in the present stage, would vote for the adjournment.—.(Cheers. Lord JOHN RUSSELL only rose to say that h e did ) not agree in the reply of the Right Hon. Baronet.--( Laughter.) Mr. MILNES said that although many Members on that side of the House did not think it would become their position in it, to obtrude themselves at that hour of the night, yet it by no means followed that they did not wish to speak before the debate concluded.—(A laugh.) Sir GEORGE GREY di d not rise to oppose the mw tion for adjournment. But as he had voted so frequently with the present Government against re peated adjournments of one debate, he must say that it was with surprise he witnessed the silence of the opposite side, when his Noble Friend concluded.—( Hear, hear.) As it was known that the debate could not arrive at its legitimate conclu sion until after the First Lord of the Treasury should have spoken upon, it, no gentleman on that (the opposite) side could be expected to rise after his Noble ( Hear, hear ) He wished it, therefore, to be understood that the adjournment was not at the wish of that side.—(oh, oh. ) The SPEAKER. then put the question, and the debate was adjourned without a division ; and, there being no further busi ness, the House adjourned shortly after, at Ten Alinute3 to Twelve o'Clock. GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY COMPANY. The half-yearly general meeting of the Proprietors of this Company was held at the Paddington Station yesterday, at one o'clock, Mr. C. Russell, 111. P., in the chair. The meeting, as stated in the notice, was made special, &c., for the purpose of considering and authorising the Directors to make application to Parliament, in the present session, to alter and enlarge the powers of any Act or Acts relating to this Company, or to the Cheltenham and Great Western Union Railway Company, or to the Oxford Railway Company, as well as the propriety of joining or becoming parties with any other person or persons in applying to Parliament for a Bill for making a railway from the Great Western Railway at Pangbourne to the town of New bury, or of agreeing with any person or persons who shall apply t 3 Parliament for such Bill, as to the expenses of such applica tion, or of the construction of such railway, or for taking on lease or use of such railway when made, upon such terms and conditions as may seem proper. The CHAIRMAN said, the Directors would perceive by the accounts that the receipts for the last half-year amounted to 377,7971., whilst those for the corresponding half-year in 184'2 amounted only to 359,3761. During that interval their line had been extended eight miles and three quarters. The inerease in the receipts, therefore, was wore than propor tionate to the increase of distance.—( Cheers.) A reduction had been effected in that portion of the expenditure over which the Directors had control. , The expenditure for the last half-year of 1842 was 129,417/. ; that for the last half-year of 1843, 129,4361. This, at first sight would show no reduction of expenditure; but it must be borne in mind, first, that in the latter period they had been working nine miles more than in the preceding one, and secondly, that there was a portion of the expenditure over which they could exercise no control. The duty, rates, and taxes, for the last half-year of 1842, amounted to 19,2231., those for the corresponding period in 1843 to 26,629/., showing an increase in those charges of 7,4001. The expenditure being equal, it followed that the decrease in the charges of the establish ment, over which the Directors had control, was as nearly as possible proportionate to the increase in those which were beyond their power, or about 7,5001. When the Directors undertook a revision of the expenditure, last year, they led the Proprietors to think that they would be able to effect a reduction of about 11,000/. But for this increase of public charges, there would, in fact, have been a reduction of about 15,0001. The increase chiefly consisted of parochial rates—an increase, not only enormous in amount, but perfectly unjustifiable in principle.—( Hear, hear.) There was no reason why railways, of all commercial enterprises in this coup ry, should alone be subjected to assessments upon the profits of their trade.—( Hear, hear.) The grievance was so unjust and intolerable, that they must endeavour to obtain redress from the Legislature. The total amount which they now paid in the form of duties, of parochial rates, and of in come-tax, was about 64,000/. From the accounts there appeared to be 116,820/. applicable to such pur poses as the Shareholders might be pleased to di rect. The Directors recommended a dividend of three per cent. for the last half-year, which would require 102,678/., and would leave a balance of 14,1421. The Directors con sidered that this balance was not more than suffi cient to enable them to ensure a dividend of three per cent. for the next half-year, and, therefore, it it was that they proposed to retain that sum. He hoped that the income of the currentlalf-year would exhibit a further in crease, but for any material improvement, they must now look to the completion of the branch lines. The Report of Mr. Brunel' as to the state of the works on these lines would, he thought, prove highly satisfactory. There could be no doubt that the Bristol line, as far as Exeter, and their own line as far as Oxford, would be opened in the nay part of the ensuing year ; and that the line to Cheltenham and Gloucester would be opened in ample time to fulfil the requirement of the law, which limited the period to June, 18f5. The, project for the exten sion of the line from Exeter t o Plymouth was also advancing satisfactorily. At the last =meeting the Directors were em powered to raise 150,000/. towards that undertaking. In order to secure tjte n oming ofstkessliellsiastiswesent session, it became necessary Thinlie railway companies 'interested in its com pletion should contribute a larger amount. The Directors had taken upon themselves the responsibility of raising 475 shares at 50/. each,and of coureettreyAritifideelispose of those shares as soon as-'possible. In Cornwall a very earnest wish had been manifested for the continuation of the line towards Fal mouth. He hoped the period was not remote when the line would be continued as far as Falmouth. The works at Swin don were now completed. There was one subject connected with that great establishment which he was sure would be interesting to the Proprietors ; he referred to the religious instruction of the men and the useful and moral education of the children.—(Cheers.) In deference to the religious feelings of a portion of the Proprietors, the Directors had thought that the beat mode of accomplishing this object was that of private subscription. The amount which had been received by subscription for the church was about 4,600/., without taking into account the assistance which they might expect from those bodies which were in corporated for the purpose of promoting church building. The amount raised for schools exceeded 6,000/. The Directors still required further aid, however, from the munificence of the Shareholders. Besides the religious instruction of the workmen, and the education of their children, the Directors thought there was no better way of obtaining a sober, industrious, happy, and contented class of workmen than by giving them the means of innocent recreation.—( Hear.) A library had been established by subscription amongst the workmen themselves, and the Directors felt it to be their duty to encourage this de• sire in the workmen for their own improvement. The Direc tors were in treaty for the purchase of a piece of ground for the purposes of cricket and other manly sports.—(Cheers. ) He hoped that those Proprietors who, from conscientious scruples, were unable to contribute to the building of the church, would contribute now to this object, against which no such scruples could be alleged.—(Hear, hear.) There was one subject which now excited considerable attention among those interested in railways—he meant the inquiry in relation to them which was now pending in the House of Commons. If he abstained from making any remarks upon this subject, his silence proceeded only from a sense of the delicacy of his po sition as a member of the Committee. He believed that the Government were disposed to deal with railway interests in a fair and friendly spirit. —(Cheers. ) He should go to the inquiry deeply impressed with the magnitude of the interests, and the vital importance of the principles involved in the investigation—on the one hand, desirous of giving a libe ral and jest consideration to the claims of the public, and on the other steadily watching the legitimate interests of railway proprietors.—( Cheers.) Several resolutions would have to be proposed after the Shareholders had resolved them selves into a special meeting for the purpose of considering them. The Secretary then read the Report. Mr. Wisuaw, in moving the adoption of the Report, com plained of the inefficient accommodation for third-class pas sengers, and suggested that a day train should be established for that class of persons. Mr. NicHoLsoti seconded the resolution. With reference to the subject referred to by the Hon. Proprietor who had just spoken, he begged to say that, in consequence of the complaints which had been made, he had himself travelled by a third-class carriage on this line, and he found no reason whatever to com plain of any inconvenience. —(Hear, hear.) Air. WILLIAMS, M.P., concurred with the mover of the resolution in the view which he had taken of this subject ; and stated that, if the Directors did not make some alteration in the present arrangements, he should himself make a pro posal upon the subject. Mr. VOUSLEY deprecated any interference with the Direc tors as regarded this matter. The poor were in a better con dition now than under the old coach system ; and if the Share holders interfered the result would probably be that they would, by-and-bye, have to complain of low dividends. Several other Proprietors expressed their opinions on the same subject. The CHAIRMAN, in reply, contrasted the accommodation now afforded for third-class passengers with the most expen sive and luxurious mode of travelling formerly known to them, namely, the outside of a stage coach, where they were exposed to all the inclemency of the weather ; while by far the greater number were either compelled to walk, or jolted along the road, at the rate of two or three miles an hour.—( Hear, hear.) At all events, he hoped the Proprietors would not interfere until after the inquiry before the Committee of the House of Commons had been completed, and the evidence had been laid before the public.—( Hear, hear.) Atter a short conversation, the motion for the adoption of the Report was put and carried. Mr. WILLIAMS, M.P., moved the following resolution : " That it is the opinion of this meeting that a statement of the receipts and expenditure of this Company should be sent to each Proprietor four days previously to each half-yearly meeting." Mr. Wiswave seconded the resolution. After some discussion the resolution was withdrawn. A resolution was then passed declaring a dividend of 3 per cent. upon the profits of the last half-year. A resolution was then proposed for the purpose of procuring an amicable settlement of the differences of this Company with the Birmingham and Gloucester Companies. A resolution was also passed for the construction of a branch line between Twyford and Basingstoke. The four retiring Directors were then re-elected. The meeting then resolved itself into a special meeting, for the purpose of considering the propriety of applying to Par liament for a Bill for making a railway from the Great Western Railway at Pangbourne to the town of Newbury ; and a resolution in accordance with that object, and generally with the other objects stated in the notice paper, was passed, after some discussion. A vote of thanks was then given to the Directors, after which the meeting separated. Lord Stuart de Decies is prevented by. illness from attending his Parliamentary duties. THE INFANT SAPFllO.—This wonderful child has lately been singing at Leeds, where her power of composition has been tested by Dr. 'Wesley and Mr. Hopkinson, a pro fessor of music residing in that town. They passed her through the most difficult changes of harmony, all of which she seized with magical rapidity. Should she retain these powers as she grows up she will be the most perfect musical genius that has ever existed. We understand it is the inten tion of her father to withdraw her from the public for a time, in order to allow her voice rest whilst it is changing. ARRIVAL OF MR. O'CONNELL.—DanieI O'Connell, Esq., M.P., accompanied by his son, Morgap O'Connell, Sir Coleman O'Loughlin, and some other gentlemen, ar rived on Wednesday at Liverpool, by the second mail steamer from Dublin. A large concourse of people sur rounded the hotel throughout the day, and about five o'clock so numerous was the assemblage, that Mr. O'Connell was s c p o e n e w et e l l . led u t e o a s p ta p t e e a d r a t n h c a l t a n d e dr h e a s d s p th re e vi m oa u s l l t y itu n d o e ja h t i el a tti s o lrt a io of offering any remarks in public on the occasion of his present visit to Liverpool, nor had he at one time thought of visiting London, at least for some time ; but he had since changed his mind, though he should not take any part in the discussion on Lord John Russell's motion. He did, however, intend to enter his solemn protest against the fresh acts of injus tice to Ireland contained in the late State trials. He had served his country for forty-eight years, during the entire of which he had been the invariable advocate of peace ; and whatever checks might he opposed to his future career, he would still continue legally and strenuously to agitate for the Repeal of the Union. He declared himself decidedly in favour of Universal Suffrage; and, in conclusion, after say ing that he hoped they would, as their friends in Ireland had hitherto done, preserve the peace, he proposed three cheers for the Queen, which were heartily given. He shortly after left Liverpool, and arrived in London yesterday. The Irish Attorney-General intended to have sailed for Lon don on Tuesday evening, to attend the debate on Lord John Russell's motion, but a sudden attack of illness has compelled the Right Hon. Gentleman to delay his departure. TIIE WEATHER.—During the week, though there has been no decided thaw, there have been repeated indica tions of it, and the snow has, consequently, in a great mea sure, disappeared, the streets become dry, and the atmos phere has been clear and enlivening. 'Yesterday morning, however, it froze sharply, and, in the forenoon, there was a sudden and heavy shower of snow, which has brought back all the slop and disagreeableness, of which we had last week to complain.—Binningham Journal. NATEEKLY AN TI-CORN-LAW LEAGUE MEETING AT COVENT-GARDEN THEATRE. The usual weekly meeting of the League was held last night, in Covent-garden Theatre. The attendance was as large as on previous occasions. At seven o'clock the Chair was taken by the Hon. C. P. Villiers, M.P., when the following gentlemen were on the platform :—W. J. Fox, Esq., Joseph Parkes Esq., W. A. Wilkinson, Esq., Ralph Ricardo, Esq., J. P. Barnard, Esq., W. D. ,Christie, M.P. , P. A. Taylor, Esq., Dr. Cooke Taylor, T. F. Gibson, Esq. ' S. G. Hall, Esq., Patterson, Esq., Preston, Esq , W . S. Burton, Esq., Henry Keeling, Esq., William Clay, Esq., Arthur Pattiaon. Esq., W. T. Hodgkin, Esq., Pennock Tiger ' Esq. (of Beverley), Jabez Johnson, Esq. (of Manche s t er ), John Bell, Esq., M.P., Thos. Wakley, Esq., M.P., Ch ar l es Willi ams , E sq ., Dr. Simpson, T. Mason, Esq., D. A umon i er , E sq ., T. R us t o n,Esq., J. Phelps, Esq., G. Ridout, Esq., Wynn, Esq., Sir Valentine Blake, John M'Leod, Esq., J. Cox, Esq., Dr. Hitchman, Summers Harford, Esq., F. Roe, Esq., M. Thackeray, Esq., J. Dyke, Esq., W. A. Thomson, Esq., Wm. Edgar, Esq., George Lambert, Esq., Thomas Bateman, Esq., John Thompson, Esq., J. Anderson, Esq., George Osborne, Esq., Richard Lloyd, Esq., Samuel Drewell, E sq ., Wm. Reynolds, Esq., Thomas Harbottle, Esq. ( Manchester), W. J. Scott, Esq. (Manchester), C. 0. Boyce, Esq., John Yardley, Esq., John Burtt, Esq. ' E. Jackinar, Esq., Grant, Esq., R. H arr i son , Esq., Mark Perkins, Esq., J. D. Casks'', Esq., Joy, Esq., Sir William Baynes, Bart., F. H. Toone, Esq , W. Roberts, Esq., John Chadwick, Esq., F. Scheer, Esq., N. Overbury, Esq. (Westbury, Wilts), R. Overbury, Esq. (Westbury, Wilts), W. H. Birchall, Esq. ( London), H. Birchen, Esq. (Leeds), M. H. Barnett, Esq., Michael Stocks, Esq. (Hali fax), Henry Edwards, Esq . Fullerton, Esq., Joseph Ro binson, Esq., Richard W. Cole, Esq., James Harmer, Esq., Professor Key, &c.. The CHAIRMAN, in opening the meeting, after some pre fatory remarks, said the objects of the League were identified with the interests of the country at large, though they were op posed to sinister influences in both Houses of Parliament. fliey lived in times when there was no chance of good go vernment, except through the influence of enlightened public opinion. The gross misrepresentations of the objects of the League indicated the fears of their opponents. What they wished to do was to produce in the public mind a sense of the evils which flowed from the present system of commercial re striction.—(Cheers.) Since the last meeting of the League in that place, that word which had been thought effectual to stay the cries of an injured people in the sister country—(Loud cheers)—he meant conspiracy, had been applied to the meetings of the League in that theatre. How far that ex pression was applicable he could not pretend to say, but the use of the term showed how much their progress alarmed the advocates of monopoly.—( Hear, hear.) They had the authority of the head of the Government for saying that their principles were founded on common sense.— (Laughter and cheers.) Whatever progriss, therefore, they .might have made was a progress towards the carrying out of common sense principles. —( Cheers.) What kind of sense those exhibited who had an object precisely the opposite of theirs, it was not for him to say.—(Laughter.) No other answer had been given to their charges against monopolists except such as was conveyed by vulgar abuse ; and such a weapon would never be effectual against the League.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) 1 hose who had conspired to reveal and make manifest truth would not fear the censure of those in authority ; but they would re joice in it as a proof of the triumphant progress of their cause.—( Cheers. ) Mr. Home then came forward to address the meeting. He said he had been for many years an anxious labourer in pro moting the great object for which that League was formed. He looked with great satisfaction at the progress which had been made in that question. In a House consisting of 6ilo Members, he made a motion, the object of which waste remove gradually the duty on earn, he found but thirteen supporters. I (Hear, hear.) Very different was the state of things at pre sent. Every hour's experience showed that the objects of the ' League were based on immutable principles, and every day brought fresh adherents to the cause. He had been detained that evening from attending the committee room of the League, by remaining in the House of Commons to witness the ernval of a great veteran in the redress of grievances.—( Loud and long-continued cheering.) One of his reasons for accept ing the invitation which he had received to address the meeting was, that it would afford him an opportunity of expressing his opinion as to the manner in which public meetings had been assailed in Ireland, by the proceedings against those men who had been placed on their trial in that country.—( Cheers.) There was no great public _meeting in this country which would not be assailed in the same manner if the ;parties had courage to carry out their own wishes.—( Hear, bear.) It became every man who felt interested in the cause of public liberty to come forward and protest against this interference lest he himself should become its victim. Since he last had the pleasure of addressing such a meeting as that which was there assembled, an important change had taken place in the country. Formerly they were met by a general assertion that the _monopoly of food was necessary, not for the landlords but for the labouring -population, . for whose benefit alone restrictive laws were imposed and cor tinued. But the evidence_ had since been withdrawn; the truth had come out ; and it was now avowed in the speeches made by the League formed against the Anti-Corn-law League—( Hear, bear )—that these laws -were continued in order to maintain rents and to keep up prices. This was a most important step in the progress of their career ; for no honest man could now stand up and declare that these laws ought to be continued. It was for the mass of the people to say how long exclusive laws should exist.—(Cheers.) Another most important change had taken place. The Prime Minister of England, Sir Robert Peel, had, in 1842, declared himself a convert to free-trade principles, and he expounded those Principles in a manner which would do credit to any statesman. How mor tifying to find that the man who had made such declarations should now submit to be dictated to by the landed interest of the country.—(Hear, hear.) The Duke of Richmond had told him that if he ventured to propose any altera tion, he should go out of office ; and at a meeting of the opposition League, he was told that the country gentlemen placed him in power, and if he did not support them, they would net suffer him to retain power.— (Laughter.) This was the state of the question. They new knew their relative positions. In a country which had all the requisites for making its inhabitants happy and powerful, their wealth was interfered with, their _privileges were nar rowed, and they were kept in a state of great misery and suffering, in order that monopolists might continue to flourish. He knew no reason why certain capitalists - should have pro tection, whilst merchants and manufacturers were amerced for their support.—( Hear, bear, and cheers .) w ere League demanded that all restrictions should be*removed. The people had wherewith to buy ; their warehouses were loaded with goods'; their ships were ready to convey English manufac tures to all parts of the world. Should monopolists be per mitted to say that they should not enjoy the fruits of their industry ? He had cut out from the Times a few slays since thirteen or fourteeen advertisements of different institutions, formed for the relief of destitution. Was that state of things to be permitted ?—( Hear, hear.) lie was an advocate of free trade generally, but the most important branch of it was free trade in corn. Let them secure that, and they would soon have free trade in everything.—( Cheers. ) Mr. CHRISTIE, M.P., next addressed the meeting. lie congratulated them that no Government proclamation had as yet been issued against the Anti-Corn-law League ; though, two nights ago, Sir James Graham had uttered what must have been intended as a warning to the Anti-Corn-law League. He said that the altered circumstances of the times required an alteration in the law of conspiracy, and, quoting a maxim of Madame de Steel, he said that, now-a-days, leagues held their meetings in theatres, and traitors built conciliation-halls, to disseminate sedition.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) It was not from Sir James Graham that su c h language might have been expected ; for the Home Secretary had refused to allow the police to attend the meetings of the League in that theatre, thereby giving testimony to their peaceable character.— (Laughter.) He referred to the adhesion of Lord Morpeth to free trade principles, as an event of great importance, and ex pressed a hope that Lord John Russell, the leader of the Oppo sition, would follow his example.—(Cheers.) Mr. W. J. Fox addressed the meeting in a powerful and eloquent speech. He commenced by referring_ to a state ment that the Corn-law League had dwindled into in significance. It had dwindled, h e said, from a revenue of 50,0004 a year to one of 100,0001., from small local gatherings to such as he then beheld. It had dwindled from petitioning the House of Commons into appealing to its masters. The League was not dependent either on Sir Robert Peel or on any other party leader, and nothing could stop its progress. The dicta of parties would have no influence over it. As well might it be supposed that its success would be retarded or prevented by the bellowing of the bull in Tamworth Park. —(Great laughter.) He then referred to the combinations against the League, and to the charge of conspiracy brought against it, neither of which, he said, in the least alarmed its supporters. He expressed his sympathy with thoso who were to be punished for the use of free speech in the sister isle. Mr. O'Connell did not, however, need their sympathy, for even in a dungeon, if he were sent to a dungeon, he would rule—and in the thoughts and hearts and devotion of the nation would be served.—(Great cheering.) Many charges had recently been brought against the League; amongst them was the charge that they sent paid lecturers about the country. The greatest lecturer of all—one who spoke with undying power to the heart of humanity and the cause of free trade—was the love of justice. Another charge brought against the League was that they had forged petitions —and it was stated that a man had been employed to copy signatures from the tombstones in a churchyard. There was at least great shrewdness in the rogue, for many were the victims of monopoly lying cold in the grave.—((sear, hear, and cheers.) The corn-laws were said to be maintained for.the benefit of the labourers. The landholders loved the labourer ; they loved him so much that they took care that his fine proportions should not be spoilt by too ample living. —(Hear.) He was gifted with twenty-pence a day if the weather were fine, and with nothing if it were wet. It was said that the corn-laws was retained as a security for the agricultural population. He denied that the landholders had any title to that appellation. If they were to designate the occupations of men by the use which they made of their pro perty, the Marquis of Westminster would be one of the greatest b icklayers in London, the Duke of Bedford one of the most distinguished dramatists and musicians, and the clergy of Westminster Abbey professors of prostitution.—( Great laughter.) The landed proprietors of England were formerly the nation, but they were so no longer. In order to make them the nation they must turn back the wheels of time, and bring the country back to barbarism. They had many advantages, but they were not content with them.—(Hear, hear.) They might depend upon it that feudalism was past, and that the spirit of feudalism could not govern this country. The spirit of feudalism must succumb to the genius of humanity. The spirit, the principles, and the power of feudalism must stand by and make way for the rights of industry, and for the pro gress of the nation, towards commercial, political, and intellec tual liberty. (The Hon. Gentleman concluded amidst loud and long •continued cheering.) The CHAIRMAN then stated that Mr. O'Connell had con sented to attend the next weekly meeting, an announcement which was received with vociferous applause. The meeting then separated. STATE OF TRADE. (From the Manchester Guardian.) Although no great amount of business was done yes terday, either in goods or yarn, the market was exceed ingly firm, and with somewhat more of buoyancy in pVces than has existed for some days past. Although many of-the spinners have recently turned their attention to spinning higher counts of yarn than previously, the ge neral demand for light fabrics causes those descriptions of yarn to be much inquired for, and they are still very scarce, so that a further change from low to high counts may be expected, and a further diminution in the con sumption of cotton. The prices of printing cloths con tinne to advance, and very high prices have been paid this week for good 22's ; but 40-inch shirtings are rela tively low, though in somewhat better demand than last week. ROCHDALE FLANNEL MARKET, FEB. 12. —There l h a s t s been very little change in the m arket to-day 0_ week. The demand continues good, but many frrelauseato sell at the prices offered. The wool market is brisk, and prices are gradually on the advance. SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS PROM TELE EVENING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY. GLOBE.--When we said that people would not fight in these days about points of faith, we did not mean to say that they would not squabble about the appropria . Lion of Church, ieeeutses. We should be guided by ono principle, and by one alone, on t h at su b ject, in a country like Ireland. We need not say, perhaps, that ours is not the principle of Sir J. Graham —that so-and-so was esta blished at the Reformation, and ratified by the Act of Union. Other things were established soon after the Re formation, which have been altered since. The wise Jamie, who planted Presbyterians in Ulster, restored Episcopacy in Scotland. England has not maintained that Episcopacy—or else that too might have been "ratified" in the Act of Union with that country. Suppose it had, and that discontent at our hierarchy had continued undiminished. Would the date of its establishment have been any good argument in its favour ? Would it not rather have been an argu mpnt against it, as something no time could naturalise ?' Our principle, then, as to Irish Church mate ters, is not thatof Sir James Graham ; or that still more naively stated the other day by the Herald. Tho Herald said that " Peace between the two contending (ecclesiastical) parties (in Ireland) is morally impos sible. Away, then, with all false pretences and delu sive hopes of this kind Let the question be reduced to its simplest and only intelligible form—that the mere majority of the people of any country, no matter how ignorant or how superstitious, ought to prescribe what the faith of that country shall be ; and that-to maintain a particular form of religion, merely because it is true and divine, is an act of bigotry, and an exhibition of religious intolerance." IN e are quite of the Herald's opinion that peace between the two Church parties in Ireland is impossible ; so long as either' have material objects to defend, or obtain, which they think worth struggling for. But the He rald's idea that the faith of a people is not to be at all consulted in prescribing the faith of a country, that people who think .differently are to decide what is true and divine instead, is precisely the assumption which (if nothing else) would deter us from turning Roman Catholics. That the Roman Church makes that as sumption is sufficient to keep us out of it—but in Pro testants we look upon it as quite preposterous and suicidal. What, then, is the principle on which we should proceed in the Irish Church question? It ap pears to us a very simple one—that of cutting down the real matter of contention. Sir James Graham con tends for continued preference of the Protestant Church. To this we say that a Protestant Church is very well among a Protestant people, It is even very well among a Catholic people—provided it is not preferred. We would not unteach Roman Catholics the lesson that they cannot expel Protestantism from their country. We would not knuckle under to their ascendancy. We should think it worse than the present —worse in all respects except one—that it would at least express the popular opinion, and therefore would nut remind the people of conquest and degradation. We do not wish to attach to this sentiment more weight than really belongs to it.. We do not believe, and bave seen no proof, that the Protestant clergy are particularly un popular, since the conversion of tithe has removed them from collision with their parishioners. But they are not the clergy of the bulk of the population ; and there fore the avowal of political preference for them is the avowal of _preference for an institution professedly in tended forte bulk of the population, and rational pre ference for which can only be founded on its fulfilling that intention. Substitute N for R, and instead of ra tional preference you have national preference. But what has our national preference to do with the Church of the Irish people ? What has the choice of a Church for another people to do with political union with that people ? Sir James Graham says everything. We say nothing ; and worse than nothing. It is a topic of dis union. That churches will not be fought against in these days we indeed believe ; but will they be fought for ? - The Herald affirms they will ; and that the people of England are quite ready, if necessary, to do battle us the cause of the Irish Establishment. But mark the much less enthusiastic tone of Lord Eliot:—" There were agi tators in Ireland who would not be satisfied with any measure short of the actual subversion of the Church, and he did not believe that that House, or any Parlia ment that might be summoned in this country, would consent to a total subversion of the Protestant Church." Nothing short, then, of the total subversion of the Pro testant Church appears to Lord Eliot likely much to stag ger the Parliament or the public. Now that is just ou r ppin ion too. And the sort of proposition we should found on it would be the division of Irish Church revenues among the three principal communions, Romish, Anglican, and Presbyterian—and the equal division—as likely to be attended with least dispute and difficulty. Lord John Russell indicated the policy of some such set tlement ; but it, is not upon his, or any other party authority, that we throw out the above sugges tion. That suggestion is founded on the view which seems to have prompted former measures—so far as they went—the view, namely, of diminishing the odium of the endowed and ascendant Church, by diminishing its ascendancy, and paring down its endow-4*s. We would have done with the ascendancy, and the exclusive endowment altogether ; and when there is no bone of contention between sects, big enough to be worth wor rying one another for, we shall expect them—not, in deed, to cease quarrelling, but to cease disturbing the State with their quarrels. STANDARD.—The debate on the state of Ireland was resumed last night in the House of Commons, and again adjourned. The commencement of the discussion was unusually heavy, but it improved regularly in in terest with the last three speeches—Mr. Young's, Sir `, George Grey's, and, above all, Lord Eliot's, which was ' really excellent. But, after all, what remains to be said, upon the state of Ireland, that has not' been said a thousand times ? or what practical remedy for Irish evils can be proposed that is not al ready in active operation, or the necessary preparations for which are not earnestly pressed forward by the Go vernment ? The Opposition speakers are, therefore, limited to vague common-places, or to querulous and very unjust accusations ; but they can propose no thing definite, and they can prove nothing wrong. Their speeches, therefore, necessarily amount to nothing, and to be obliged to read, or listen to, hours of spoken nothing, is very wearisome. The Conservatives have a great advantage in this respect, for though such " special , nothing" is dull in itself, very pleasant commentaries in verse or prose may be made upon it, as one of " The poets of Charles's days, The mob of gentlemen who wrote with ease," has sh )wn, and we doubt whether the verses of the p )et in question upon " the elder brother even to shade," are better in their way than the speeches of Sir James Graham and Lord Eliot, in reply to Lord John Russell and Company. Something must be done for Ire land, say the Whigs and the ultra-wise Conservatives. Softly, gentlemen, - we say. Suppose one of your selves thrown into a fever by bodily or mental exer tion ; what do you think is the first thing that a skilful physician would order in your ease ? Would he physic you while still rolling in a rumbling diligence over the paved road of the Continent, or leave the pen in your hand, and - the - midnight lamp before you, while applying cupping-glasses and blisters ? No ; you are well aware that the first thing he would order is rest—rest which would probably work a cure by itself—rest, without which all other means of relief would be undoubtedly in effectual. Before.. = you prescribe your nostrums for Ireland, - `thee, would it not he just as well to try whit may be the effect of that rest which the Government has won for her,.more par ticularly as ho two of you are agreed upon the proper nostrum ? How that rest has been won will be seen in an article which we have copied from the Morning Herat! of this day ; the article is long, but we entreat that it may be carefully read, not merely as a complete vindication of the Attorney-General for Ireland, and of the Government which has the honour of having selected !lid supported such an officer, but as a vindi cation of the British Constitution itself. Peace has at length been won for Ireland. The Repeal Association is already melting away. Mr. O'Connell absents himself upon one false pretence ; for what business has he here, after having sworn that he would not set his foot in the Saxon Parliament ? The newspaper pro- prietors withdraw on another false pretence, for it is not true that their newspapers were made evidence against the conspiracy because they were implicated; their newspapers were made evidence against the con spiracy, because the conspirators in a corporate cha racter circulated these newspapers at their own charge, and in that way these newspapers would be evi dence, though the name of a single person connected with them did not appear upon the books of the conspi racy. Thus, the monster nuisance has been abated, and still we are told that nothing has been done ; and we are stunned with projects, the only possible effect of urging which, besides disturbing the present peace, must be to call into existence another like monster nuisance. MONEY MARKET and CITY NEWS. CITY; WEDNESDAY EYENING. TIMES.—The , premium on gold at Paris is 10 per mile, which, at the English Mint price of 31. 17s. 101 d. per ounce for standard gold, gives an exchange of 25 40A ; and the exchange at Paris on London at short being 25 55, it follows that gold is 0.58 per cent. dearer in London than in Paris. By advices from Hamburgh, the price of gold is 4331 per mark, which, at the English Mint price of 31. 17s. 10d. per ounce for standard gold, gives an exchange of 13 9%; and the exchange at Hamburgh on London at short being 13 10, it follows that gold is 9.34 per cent. dearer in London than LW" Hamburgh. The course of exchange at New York on London is 109 per cent.; and the par of exchange between England and. America being 101 23-40 per cent., It follows that the ex change is 0.57 per cent. against England ; but the quoted ex- - change at Nl* York being for bills at sixty days' sight, the interest must be deducted from the above difference. SACRED HARMONIC SOCIETY.—The last perform ance of Handel's Oratorio, Jephtha, takes place at Exeter Hall this (Friday) evening: TUE METALLIC CAPSULE. A very ingenious method of preserving wine, spirits, and other liquids, how ever :‘ volatile or effervescent, whether in bottles or other ap propriate vessels, and without the use of wax, resin, wire, or other objectionable or inconvenient materials, is now brought into practical operation by Messrs. Betts, of Smithfield tyl to whom the public already stand so m successful efforts in distilling a pure and healthnfu,l,. spirit d The British produce, produce, as a substitute for French Ira I ' lich encloses the vention consists in a metallic capsule, 14: ranch indebted for their k of the no t hing can e, in the upper surface of the cork , and thesonthat a to injure the conte nts ; wh i l st , ble esca pe, nothing can pass whilst n most perfect manner imagi n b e i n g stamped with the nam e in of the firm and a description of ties—the utmost . security i s afforded against the sale or sub hether s , t s . spurious or inferior. The metal of ,i the article—w hether used by the patentees or by other par eacaapns)ulinehsagre made is incorrodible, and therefore i i t i tio t ir h unaffected by damp, alternations of temperature, or the ek trernest change of climate. And to these advantages, eco nomy being added, the use of the metallic capsules by wine and spirit merchants, perfumers, oilmen, confectioners, and others, must be most extensive. sear.) such e and jects. had no of what every ie go• e, and nment Lord, arding House ?riest rland ; clergY ~" for- Ire ad the a *las oog" tbe° Oe art' of ' fa e u ' r perlf' bete • ~, ~: ~ . smi