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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF PEERS. MONDAY, MAY 16. THE furater hearing of the Appeal Cause, the Carron Company, J. Ogilvie, which stood for this day, was post poned. The various Bilis before the House were forwarded in their respethve stages. A number of Bills, chiefly private, were brought- up from the Commons by different Gentlemen, and severally read a first time. The Report of the Nottingham Eleaion 13111, pursuant.to Order, was received, - agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time. ° After some time had elapsed,. Lord P•ELII44I entered the House, and present:. ea a Message from the Kt teo a e•elaiiye to the ter.: urination of the Negotiation with the French Go, vernment, and similar to that presented to the House of Commons, (.iLn:4:Nth we refer.) • • After:: His Majesty's Message had been read in the usual way; from the Woolsack, and by the Clerk at the Table, Lord PELHAM rose, and observed, it was ob_ viously unnecessary he should then offer any corn- Merles Majesty's Message, which had been just read. Their Lordehips, however, would be' . aware, it was their duty, as well out of reaped to a COmMunication from the Throne, as with a rele. fence to its particulateiraportance, to take the sub. jet into consideration as soon as convenience would peyMit. The Papers alluded to in His Majesty's Message would be laid before their Lcirdships with ,as little delay as possible; he thought, that about . Wednesday they could *be presented. Some time would then be proper, for their Lord Ships to pe. ruse and consider their contents, and in this view, he humbly •. submitted, that this day .se'nnight would be a proper day for taking His Majesty's Message into consideration. His Lordship, then moved accordingly, and that the Lords be sum. owned for that day. • On the Question being put, Earl STANHOPE rose and observed, that the sultiea which would shortly come-under their Lord ships' consideration, was one of the last and- most ihomentous importance : the Heuse would e he aware and must feel that the Country, at the termination of the recent War, was in a very exhausted stare, and that it was now about to:be plunged once more into all the evils of a new War. He had noobjedion to the day proposed for taking the King's Message into consideration—first, as he thought it would afford their Lordships full time , . to consider the Papers, should they be laid on the Table on Wed. eiesday ; and, secondly, there would be time fur- Parliament, also to receive, perhaps* from Govern. tnent, material information on the subjed, which was undeniably of the highest importance ; that subject, the House would recoiled,' was War, which, as • h a d been eloquently observed by a Re f. .verend Prelate, found every thing before it blooming and fruitful as a garden of Eden, and left every `thing after it as a desolated wilderness. They were to considor, that IN; was not an Agri cultural Country. ' lint, to a certain degree, sub. tii.sted by *etas Of ies Paper circulation'and eredir; 04 to such a Coinitry, 'thon eo• any other, War was of the moat serious importance. He did net at'preent ;kat) Co go into any discussion of the enbjett : however, on so . great an occasion, he thought the Howie of Lord, should he informed of t fah, which, indeed, the French Government were informed of already ; • this bet it was in his power to state, viz, that the French Government were its. formed by an American* Gentleman, of a mode of destoying the Fleet of this Country,, in a way in whieh this Country would not be able to prevent ; he could tint remain silent under these impressions, whin such a commUttication as that contained in the Message was made to the House : the delay, he hoped, would enable it tto - eceive some inform. lion from Government, and particularly with re. sped to the important circumstance alluded to, which was some time since miite known to the Geve.rnineet here : they might receive information of what measures were taken to prevent the chats. nel of the river Thames from heir)) , exposed to the dangers of the operation he alluded to. On this ins. ,i;ortant point, he thought the House had to expat information; In considering the inaportant question of Peace and War, June points %vete chiefly to be considered': first, its justice, lint of which he could alive no opinion' until he should have perused the Papers : and secondly, its policy,' upon which ques tion he wits not equally inclined to hesitate. 'Flit Noble Earl again reverted to the circumstance which he had communicated to their Lordships,' arid insisted on its peculiar importance : he adverted to the dangers !'o, which even the channel of the river Thames would be exposed by sinking of Vessels therein. lie observed, he had informed the CHAN. CE Limit of the EXCUEQUEIt of the fad, and at the satne time informed hien of remedies, which, if corn. !tined would prevent the dangers to be apprehended. He had not heard that any of these had been applied, though the Otruntry was on the eve of War. The Lotto:CO arm tatAlst. then put the questions on the Motions of Lord, Pet : HAM, which were in_ fleted accordingly, and after some some routine busi. nesS'Was disposed of, he House adjourned till to. ttlOtrOW. }.SOU' E OF COMMONS, ItfO'ND4Y s MAY p 5. MR. DANot brought up a Report from the Com mittre appointed to try toe of Contested Elation for the Botouo, d'Cirencester, which t,ited, that the kitting Members, Sir ROBERT PftttsTniv and Mici-ottrilitces BP.ACH, were ciniy eles ted, and elf t the Petition wai not lava low or vexatiooi. Mr. FfiLLlAitti moved; that John Simpson, Mayor of Great Grimsby, should be brought to the Dar of that House on Wednesday, and discharged. The Srumm: informed the Hon. Gentleman, -Oat it,was regular to pres'ent a Pititiori to that tiled Ors', and that he might do it to.tnorrow, l'lte Motion of Fame fell to the ground. Message from the Lords stated, that they . had agreed to the Nottingham Ere Lion Bill, and to, sr . veral private,llills, without any Amendment. The Indemnify f3lll was read a second time, and PmTitrett to „Oe ‘4119440030 40. morrow. The further consideration of the Report of the Committee on the Ilchester Elation, was postponed to Wednesday next. Mr. ALEXANDER brought up the Report of the Silver Bullion Bill, which was read and agreed to, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time "to.. morrow. The House went into a Committee of the whole House on the Medicine AR when the House re. sumed, leave was given to bring in a Bill to amend the Mt. THE KING's MSSAG E. The CHA.NCELIOIL of the ExcirEQUIR brought a Message from His MAJESTY, which was read from the Chair, and is as follows : GEO/?GE • " fits :MAJESTY thinks it proper to acquaint the House of Commons, that the discussions whidh he announced to them in His Message of the Bth of March last, as then subsisting between Firs MA. J es.rir and the French Government, have been ter. minuted. That the conduit of the French Govern. meet has obliged His MAJESTY to recall His Am. bassador from Paris, and that the Ambassador from ' the Ftcnch Republic, has left London. klis MA. JESTY has given direaions for laying before the House of Commons, with as little delay as possible, Copies of such . Papers as will afford the fullest in_ formation to His Parliament at this important con. jundure. 41 It is a consolation - to His MAJ ESTY to reflea,. that no endeavours have been wanting on his part to preserve to His Subjefis the , blessings of Peace ; but under the circumstances which have occurred to disappoint his just expeaations, His MA) ESTY relies with confidence on the Zeal and Public Spirit Of His faithful Commons, and on the Exertions of His Brave and Loyal Subjels, to support him in his determination to employ the Power and Resources of the Nation, in opposing,the ,Spirit of Ambition and Encroachment which at present aauates the Councils of Fiance, in upholding the dignity' of his Crown, and in asserting and maintaining the Rights and In. terests of His People." Lard 11411 1 KES13URY said, that at present he should do no more than move that His Majesty's .most Gracious Message should tie taken, into con. sideration on Monday. next. It must. naturally be the desire of His Majesty's Ministers that the dis cussion should come on as soon aspossible, and they would certainly take the earliest opportunity for that purpose that was consistent with their duty.-- 'But they could not call upon the House for an opinion, and indeed the House could give no opinion with resped to the ecindud of Ministers, or upon. the present state of public atnirs, until they were in possesSion.of the documents necessary to enable them to form a judgment.' Measures had been for some time. taken, in the event of the discussion ter. minating as it had now done; to put Parliament in possession of the 'necessary - information . with as little delay as possible. But the Papers being very voluminous, they would not be in a state to be laid before the House before Wednesday, or Thursday at the farthest. But even if he shorild not be able to lay them on the table before Thursday, he hoped there would be sufficient time before Monday to enable the blouse to peruse them, and to enter into the consideration on that day. He again repeated, that it must he the wish of every body that the discussion should not be unnecessarily delayed, and it was the desire of Ministers • not to press the House for an opinion until they had time to con sider the information that would be laid before them. He conciuded..with saying, " that the Mes. sage should be taken. into consiOratinn on Monday nex t .'' Mr, GREY said, that he perfeftly agreed with the Noble Loid, that the discussion should be de. layed until the necessary information was laid be. fore the House. The Noble Lord therefore very properly abstained from giving an opinion, which indeed tilt House could not give while they were in total. ignorance of the subjea. But there was one question which he wished' to ask. The Mes. sage - stated, that the discussions had terminated, that Lard Whitworth had left Paris, and that the Frer.ch Ambassador had quitted London.; that His Majesty had been disappointed, in his expectations of Peace, and that he relied upon the zeal and public spirirof his faithful Commons,. and upon the bravery and loyalty of his People, to support him him in a just Caller. Upon the justice of the cause he could at present give no opinion, but presuming at present that 'that could be proved to the House, he was sure he was only. speaking the voice of every man in this Country, when he said that His Majesty might rely upon the zealous support of that House and the Country ; he did not, however, coiled from the Message that orders had been issued fur the commencement of Hostilities, but it was very-important to' know , whether the rumours which were this day in circulation respefting the issuing of Letters of Marque anti Reprisal were true, If that was the case, it appeared to him that the Message was deficient in not conveying that in formation to the House. Here he should cease , b ut he could nut help remarking upon the state in which the Message came to the House; It now ap. peared that it was not' necessary that Lord Whit. Worth Should arrive in this Country' before .a Mes sage could be delivered to Parliament ; It now ap. pearedthat a Communication might be made, upon which no proceeding could be itnmediatelybad : and yet they were told on Friday last that the House of Commons, the legitimate Constitutional organ between the King and his People, ought not to sit to receivea most important Communication, which was, mule known in another way, ,He s o h otlit. not, °Nett to the mode of proceeding prop ose d b y the Noble Lordi , but he trusted he would give him au answer with regard to the Letters of Marque, and he could not help remarking, what appeared to hitt to be unprecedented, that if those orders had been Funre with. issued, we were gtuallY war with out ,the House of Commons having bad an oppoe ' tunity of considering, or of giving an opinion upon the subjeel. Lard HAWKESBLM said, there was no dispo- Sitipii on the part of His Majesty's Ministers to conceal any thing upon this Subje&. Orders had certainly been given for issuing Letters of Marque, .and• the reason why that circumstance had not been stated in the Message front His Majesty was, that he found it had not been usual, on such occasions, so to express it; but undoubtedly His Majesty's Govern ment had issued such orders, and they had no dis position whatever to conceal it. With tesped to what the Right Hon. Gentleman said in the latter part of his Speech,, namely, that his Right Hon. Friend had said on Friday, it would not be proper to deliver a Message from His Majesty, or to make any Communication to the House, until Lord Whitworth had landed in this Country, he would observe, it never was asserted, that under no cir cumstances, would it be adviseable to be adopt. ed ; the sense of what his Right Hon. Friend had said upon that subjeCt was, that under certain cir cumstances it might be mote prudent . to abstain from matting any Communication until that period; and his Lordship added, lie had no difficulty in say. ing, that the events which had happened since the period when his Right Hon. Friend spoke upon that subjed, had confirmed him in the opinion of the propriety of the assertion of his Right Hon-Friend, in the manner it was then made, and also in the propriety of the Members of the Executive Govern •ment advising His Majesty to make the Communi. tion now before the House. He believed that my Lord Whitworth was now at 'Calais, and in conse. quence of which the French Ambassador had left London.. The Hon. Gentleman not haying ob jeeted to the course which he had proposed to be pursued, be, had no more to say ; he only rose to answer the question put to him on the subjet of the Letters of Marque, and which he had answered without difficulty,' for there was no disposition on the part 'of Government' to conceal the faet, and if it was not stated in the Message from His Majesty, it was only because it whs not usual so to state it. The question being put, Mr. FOX said, he did not mean to enter into any discussion of this subject now ; he hoped, and lc trusted, that the Noble Lord would do every thing in his power to lay the Papers before the House, and he hoped also, even if not quite regular, that the parts which are now ready would be laid before the House, and the next volume on the next day, or as soon after as possible. But on the subjeB of Letters of Marque, it struck him that something very important might. occur in the discussion. it was not a matter now regularly before the House, but he could not help observing, that under the cir. cumstances of the Country,. the advantages of has. "ing issued Letters of Marque a few days previous to this Communication, would not compensate for the loss - which •we may 'have .sustained from not having the benefit of the opinion of the House on the subjeaconeerning these Letters of Marque. Mr. T. GRENVILLE rose, he said, fur the pur. pose of addressing a question to the Noble Lord, to obtain infotination for the House and for himself 'on the subject of the Papers which were to be laid be fore Parliament. He- took irfor granted that the Papers about to be laid before the House, were of as large and comprehensive a nature as was necessary to contain the whole history °fiche Negotiation. Lord 11411 1 10ESBURY said, he had no difficulty to inform the Hon. 6entlethan and the Home, 'that the Papers which Would [le laid before them were not confined to the immediate objects of the Nego. tiation at• the present moment,•bur an account of all the discussion that was• material, from the time of the signature of the Treaty pt Amiens to the mu. merit of its termination. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved _ _ _ the Order of the Day for the House to go into a Committee of the whole House, on so much of His Majesty's Speech' of November last, as relates to providing additional facilities for the Commerce of the Country. He then moved, that the House should resolve itself into the said Committee to morrow.—Ordered. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he rose to move for leave to bring in a Bill relative to the regula tion ofShipsemployed in the. East India Company's Service, but he thought it necessary .to say some_ thing of the defens, Which the Bill he meant to bring into the House. was intended to remove. The Noble Livid then gave a , minute account of the shipping of the East India Company, which, he said, amounted to 90,000 tons, on board of which 10 1 000 men were employed.— His Lordship observed, that it had been the custom ci the East India Company to contraft with per sons to furnish them with Ships for six voyages ; indeed this custom was governed by.tin Ad of liar. liatrient, which limited — it to that period ; hut it appeared that many Ships were found equal in all respeas to more than six years use ; the Ships were, therefore, obliged to be disposed of, and from, their unfitness for other service, were frequently ,obliged to be sold to be 'broken up. In either case, h great loss attended this old system. The system proposed by the Bill in question, was to give a pciwer ,to extend the number of voyages. This was the principal objed of his Bill, which he did not doubt would he highly beneficial. There was one point which he would at present state, and that w a s if a shiß should be loSt, and her loss was not occa, stoned by any negiat on , the part of the Owner, the Owner should he permitted to build another Ship, and be entitled to.the remainder of the voyages left unperformed. On a future occasion, his Lord.: 'ship said,' he should enter at large on the su bj e d, and he did not doubt but the attention of the House would be direded to modify those regulations that would be highly useful to the Company, "he should therefore conclude with moving for leave to bring in a Bill to exelairi and amend `an Ad of the 39th of His Majesty, allowing the Eait India Coin. panrto hire Ships for their service. Srl W m . PULTENEY said a few words against the Motion. Another tionourable Member also said a few words. Th e S PEAKER observed, th a t re l at i ng to Tragic • . it was necessary to refer i t to commitiee of the Whole flous,e, Which was °Ott:o for ig.morrow. The CHANCELLOR of the EiCHEQUER move the Order of the Day, for taking into consideration to-morrow the Report of the Clergym en ' s Na 1 1• residence fill. On the Order being read, he moed that it should be discharged ; which being done, he moved to postpone the consideration of the Report to • Wednesday next.—Ordered. -The House went into a Committee on the Bill to prevent Frivolous and Vexatious Arrests. Mr. FITZGERALD moved a Clause to extend the Bill to Ireland. The Report was then ordered to be vceived iD• morrow. The Committees of Supply and Ways and Mesa were postponed to Wednesday. The ether Orders were then disposed of,. and 06 House adjourned at Six o'Clock. MAILS. DUE. AftRIVID, Holland i -- - ... 0 French .. . . - a liamburgh - - - - PRICE OF STOCKS, THIS DAY AT TWELVE O'CLOCIC• Consols - - 59 Consols (Account) 60159 x THE SUN. SOLSM (Wit titCSlta SALIIUM'AUDZATI YESTERDAY Evening a Message was broug ht down from HIS MAJESTY to both Houses of Par' liament, announcing the termination of the 141 6 ' elation with France, the recall of Lord' Wiri er ' WORTH, and the departure of General ANDatossY, HIS MAJESTY relies with Confidence on the z eal and public spirit of Flis Patliament, and t he exec* dons of his brave and Loyal People, to support hitn. in opposing the spirit of Antbiti.,n and Encroach ment which at present adtuates the Councils Of France ; a reliance which, we are satisfied,-will' let be disappointed. The Council at which the Message was framed/ met at the Queen's House, by special summons, framed/ two o'clock, and Ministers Caine fr om it to the two Houses of Parliament with the Message. to be taken consideration in Woth Houses on Mon' day next; and to.morrow, or Thursday at farthest , the Papers relative to the Negot iation will beho!' die' tributed to the Members. We shall take the w opportunity of laying- them, voluminous Ai: thef are, before our Readers. . , tRo Yesterday afternoon, Letters of M 41 etter , " i ' I I prilal lyric ;slued by Gemetnnont against-4e frell(7 Re and the. Italian States. 11 01 / 1 11121U ' l Sif ' iliAt '' • triell ' be in g are not mentioned in them, these col ° — still nominally at Peace with ui. , About two dozen Letters of Marq ue wete Yea' terday afternoon , issued before the departure of t h . 4 Post. Yesterday afternoon about five o'cinck Gene ': rat ANDREosSY reached apvtr, and Wag so em. bark last night as soon as s h e t ide served g ° get out of the harbour. Lord WsturwoßTH Wagi expeaed at Dover last night, and will no doubt reach Tow n this day. M. POR TALIS remain! here, to wind up the accounts of the E m bassy , al does, we believe, I.r.ad WHitsvolyrifs Sccrecarl at P"ris ; but any speculation upon this cireuul authority of stance ,is absurd, for we are told froth t h e high r of His Majesty's Message , that the .I‘le* gotiation is at an en d. na We have no d ou b t that Ministers will be .°° completely justified in the final result which Oil have adopted ; that it will be immediately' Pe,g.. ceived that they have dont every thing in their power, in the true spirit of Conciliation., to psc' egv4 Peace ; but that the unbounded Ambition of the Consular Chief of France, has rendered its preset °. tion impossible on our part, without sacrificing the Honour - of the Country. We. soon foresaw that such must, at an e arlY p sniittiboen the result % ° ve t. I v lc ere nc4 firmly, yet temperately, commented. 409 i n° circumstances which, in our opinion,. disl'laY tcl placed, and we r e disposition on the part of France so completely In' • in - kg to this country, that they must inev ll4l4 lead to hostilities. SAM: afoul cotemporaries have and unprecedented pursued a different course, and,. by one day Wi lde ing the trumpet of War, and the next, speculatid r, on Peace, have contribut e d , as mug]) as lay in thog power, to agitate the public mind, and to tender 'the continual prey of the m ost harassing tieubt. ha° and fears. Our course has been different ; we " stated (ass, however u 4l easa nt, ,that we mig prevent the Public from being misled by fallaei' tli hopes of Peace, when none in reality existed. A Crisis like the present, musche met With nets and energy, but it cer tainl y may be . ower"' plated without apprehensi on. The FIR ST CONSO has sacrificed his true interests, and the greater pa rt of his popularity in France, to his Pride and big widl bition. He h ortu Ilan hitherto trusted t o his fne to del' som e success, and upon th at he sterns now penal; btit if the chances of W ar tarn against LONDON, MAY 17, ISO 3.