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----, Jain persons, and they ought to have further in fortklt• be tote, and doing thin they iVould find that there must he *ion on the subject.—(Cheers.) He would do his best in expeeeO warratit for each opening. —(Hear, hear.) to arrest this system of prying into letters oti the pail of As bis, understood the Right Honourable Gettiesean, the Secretary of State for the Home Department. Igo he said that he issued a warrant against one of told them that this warrant no longer existed, but he did the individuals who ~ .SOO., not now in existence, not tell them when it ceased to exist, nor when it was and it could. hels% only reference to one letter. If trea issued. He should like to see a copy of that warrant s sot OAS liispected the Government cou ld on l y act on in and if the House did see i t they tooolst fOrmation—that information would be as to ft t ai-- be able to ascertain to whom it Wee aa. fielder day or hour stteh tl, lettev.: *obis pass dressed, and on whose authority this Oktraordinary through tho Post-41,0'A On that day it would proceeding had been adopted. The Right Hon. Gentle- be found thettes ?Mk that was the only pow er given man said that no other letters had been opened. Ile by tht Act. This was a Metter of deep consideration, (Mr. T. Duncombe) said that the letters of Too`etts and it therefore shotfld . be well Oofisidered. Mazzini, and th e ot h er gentlemen, had Iseett opened, Mr. CIIRISTIeIe that the Right Hon. Gentleman read, and ex am i ne d , at the Post-ffieee 'and that they had on .ere` 'Occasion stated that he was three years in had afterwards been returned. A copy of that warrant the Rome -office, and during those three years he had ought to be before the House of Commons, and ht expended but it trifling amoteet of secret service money. should therefore move that a copy of that warrant He could now fteeount for that in conses be laid before the House.—(Cries of " Otder, order !" quenee of the system of espionage Whch was from the Ministerial benches, answered by cheers from adopttd. He wished to know from the Right lion. Ba the Opposition.) Well, then, in order to give bete ronet, whether havinsestated that he had issued a warrant Members an opportunity of expressing their opinion, he with respect to one individual, he had issued warrants wonlil move that the House do now adjourn . ---(Cheers)— against others, not stating names, and. in how many and he would take the sense of the House, it he stood tales ? alone, on the question of the manner in which the Go- Mr. WALLACE explained. vernrnent had interfered with the most sacred privileges Mr. DUNCOMBE said, that as he had no oth e r wa y of the subje c t. of obtaining the opinion of the House upon this very Mr. WALLACE said that when the Post -office Art dirty transaction, ',Toll which all explan a ti on was re load pasted, in 1837, the Right Hon. Memberiee Tatm- fused, he ehonid divide the House upon the motion. ton had assured th e House that the Bill contain nothing Tbc 'gallery was then cleared, but the motion f or ad hat a consolid a ti on o f t h e f ormer Acts, The House he'. ;imminent was negatieed Without division, it being under licved that it was a consolidation Billy, and not an ate- stood that Mr, Duncotnbe would bring on the subject on ration. The word authorising this interference with a future occasion, on going into Committee of Supply. letters had been introduced secretly, and without the BANK CHARTER. knowledge of Members. The Bill had been passed Mr. WODEHOLISE gave notice of an amendment on under the idea that it was only a fair consolidation; the third clause of the Bank Charter Bill. whereas it was an unfair and unjust alteration of the Mr, liIJME gave a notice respecting the same Bill. former Act. With regard to the practice, it was nothing Some mistake in the wording of the Hon. Gentleman's new. He had frequently drawn the attention of the notice caused much laughter. House to it. It was one of the accusations which he . had been in the h a bit o f bringing forward year after year, tion he had f o r mer ly p u t, an d to h ave an answer before Mr. LA BOUCHERE sa id he wished to repeat a ques s SUGAR DUTIEShe while he was ag it at i ng t h e question of Post. o ffi ce reform. The Se c r e t ary o f S tate had excused the practice, and he the House went into Committee on the Sugar Duties (Mr. Wallace) believed that at the present moment there Bill. He wished to know whether, in their Custom ] was a regular machinery a t th e P ost - o ffi ce f or the pur- house laws, there was any such thing as a certificate of Posta There was a room set apart for opening letters origin required as to produce imported from foreign tend examining them, and he believed that persons had countries ? ben sent abroad to study in the school of Foueb6 hew Mr. GLADSTONE said that any inquiries of this toOpen,fold, andreseal letters in the Post-office in London. kind were conducted at the expense of the Custom-house Ile Maintained that the same perfect and entire freedom authorities. 'which was extended to a man's person should be extended Mr. LABOUCHERE— Then there is no such certifi -10 his correspondence. He admitted the power to open cato required ? letters was given in the Act of Parliament ; but he Mr. GLADSTONE was understood to reply in the denied that it ought to be there. At the time when negative. franking Was the privilege of Members, he (Mr. Wallace) 'he House then went into Committee on the Sugar wrote on the outside of all his franks and letters "Please Duties Bill. to reseal and forward this letter after you have read it, and On the first cl ause b e i ng proposed, do not burn it,"—(L ou d l aug h ter)—and many of Mr. PHILIP MILES rose to move—" That from and his letters were subsequently re-endorsed—for they had after the 10th day of Nov., 1844, the duty upon sugar, been shown to him by their recipients—" this is one of the produce of British possessions, be reduced to 20s. the Mr. Wallace's (the Member for G reenoc k) own l etters, hundred weight ; and, that the duties on sugar, certified be sure and forward it."—(Great laughter.) He was ex- to be the growth of Chins, Java, or Manilla, or of any ceedingly sorry to be obliged to say any thing about the foreign country Council shall have declared to b e admissible, as not , the sugar of whi c h h er M a j es t y i n consolidation of th e P os t- o ffi ce Acts, but it was when they were con so lid ate d t h at this abominable authority being the produc e o f s l ave l a b our, s h a ll b e as follows : after It had pa sse d , nut b y himself but b had dot in. Thi s h a d b een discovered in the Ac a friendt soon namely, b rown , M uscova d o, or clayed, the cwt. 30s. ; , y , and white clayed, or sug ar o th erw i se prepared, and it must have got th ere i n a, manner he would not particu- equivalent to white clayed sugar, the cwt. 345., Daily characterise. with fire per cent. thereon.' He said that as Mr. LAI3OCCHERE said, as so heavy a charg the :1111 had b een a ll owe d to pass through e had been brought against him—for it was in the year 1836, several stages without any discussion being taken on the when be was in office, and by the department of which he principle of it, he trusted that the Committee would wail at •the head, that the consolidation of the Post-office allow him to make some observations before he pro- Acts was effected, be was sure the House would in- seeded with his amendment,---(Hear, hear.) There were Bulge him for a few moments , whilst he said a few words several reasons which prevented him from concurring in in explanation and in self-vindication. His Hon. Friend the proposition of his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor said he at that time gave a power to the Secretary of of the Exchequer. In the first place, he did not think State—(Cries of " No, no ")—so he ( Now he had a Mr. Labouchere had under s t oo d hi s H on. Friend.. ) that that was the proper tim e t o b r i ng t h at quest i on forward, unless her Majesty's Government distinct reco ll ec ti on o f what the law was before the con- pared to look the whole question in theta ce, were pre and to set solidation, and his b e li e f was t h at such power existed it finally at rest.—(Cheers from the Ministerial benches.) at that time, and had existed for years and years before. lie did not hesitate to tell the Government that if they At that time he did what he professed ; h e did not alter were not prepared to uphold the West Indian colony by the law, but he consolidated all the la ws having any rela- granting to it sufficient protection, it was far better to tion to the Post-office. But he would read the words of the throw off the mask, and frankly say so, than to eneou old. Act. They were, that n o one s h a ll open letters rage a partial outlay of capital under the idea of a con "except by express warrant under the hand of one of tinned prohibition, which, in the end, must be irre the Secretaries of State, for every such opening, detain- trievably lost.--(Hear.) His Right lion.. Friend at lAA': or delaying." With resp ec t t o th e ri g ht itself, in his the head of the Government, when he brought forward (Mr. Labeuchere"s) opinion, it was a power proper to be the tariff, expressly stated that h e th oug ht th e Govern 'vested in some p erson whose responsibility would ment ought not to look at one. part of the question with be a sufficient , guarantee for its proper exercise. He out materially considering the whole. It would have -- tdinitted the respon s ibility was g rea t, b u t still he could been a much more straightforward course for her Ma easily imagine cases where the necessity for such a jesty's Government to have come down on that occasion Rower would bo imminent,—(" Hear, hear," from the declaring that they wished to make some alteration in Treasury benches-) Ile knew nothing whatever of the the sugar duties, and to cheapen the article for the con particulars of the present case ; but he upheld the neces- sumer, than asking for the continuance of the income say of a power, under proper responsibility, to open or to tax. His Right lion. Friend, in the speech which he delay „ • E, and he would not consent that such power made in 1841 on this question, quoted several passages 5 41114 ;I% 'ken away. from a p am phl e t w hi c h was notor i ous at t h e t i me, and 1:0r..13-11 RING could not deny that there might be finished his quotation with one which he would take the cases of extreme necessity, in which the exercise of such liberty of reading •to the House, observing, that the a P9wer as this might be _called for. But these cases Right Hon. Baronet then expressed his eatiree assent could only'and ought only to have reference to our own in the view of the writer. "The prosperity of the West domestic again, and be was sadly afraid that home Indians," said the writer, "can only be continued and affairs could not be stated as the cause for the present ensured by extensive and systematic emigration, and in terference. —(Ch eers. (Sir ) If the Right H on . G ent l eman by the temporary continuance of the present protective been J. Graham) would only state th a t th e p ower h ad discriminating duties upon sugar. " They were now exercised on account of, and solely for, home about to extend a free system of emigration without affairs, the matter, is his opinion, could easily be settled, continuing the discriminating duties. The shortest "(hear, hear.). If he did not do this, there could only period which could be allowed for the satisfactory work !:e one inference. that the letters were erpened, not for an ing of this experiment was two years; but it must be honest VAiglish purpose, but for a discretable foreign attended with great expense to the colonies, while other one.—(Loua cheers.) countries have the benefit of animmense su .Mr. WARBURTON sa id t h e words in the Act were of labour woul at a d very trifling exp ense , and s thus e be able ppl toy the same as those in the previous one. raise produce at a much cheaper rate to supply the Mr. HUME—No, they are not the same. Here is the market which this country would open to them. They old Act ; read the words yourself.—(Mr. - Hume here had been told, in the discussion on this subject, that this handed the old Act to the Hon. Member for Kendal.) measure was a step towards free trade. When he Vr. WARBURTON (having read the clause)—Then, coupled this statement with the measures which her he must say, he liked those words better, for according Majesty's Government had brought forward, it • did to this old Act, a warrant was required for occur to him that the thoughts of the Treasury , each separate opening, detention, or delay. e benc were running in that .If they did not agree iK i t h t h e H on. Member for Finsbur H y were h in favour of these principles, he for directio n one could not an saying there ought not to be this power vested in the blame them ; but he begged them not to ask him to go Secretary o f S tate. But he thought that this power with them. If they intended to shape their course in ought to. be exercised only i n cases o f great importance that direction h e wou ld as k t h em to carry out their and emergency, and he thought there being a separate princies a little further, and give their colies the w arrant required f or s h ow i ng each letter was a salutary benefit pl of the first steps in that direction. He on thought provision, and he wished to ask the Right lion. Gentle- that when an alteration of the duty took place the man whether he issued a separate warrant in each case West Indian colonies were as much entitled to fair con in which a letter had been opened ? . sideran as thricultu and er reat interests Sir J. GRAHAM (with consid era bl e h es i tation in of thi s c ountry . A ag tax of ral 75 per oth cent. g was imposed his manner).-4 really must appeal to the House, Sir. In up on th e stap l e art i c l e of production, and as the price the stat ement I made at first I said that I had gone the diminished the per centage increased.. He had listened full length of explanation that I thought consistent with with considerable attention to the speech of his Right my duty. - I must, therefore, repeat that Ido not con- lion. Friend in introducing this measure, but he had sider it consistent with my public duty to proceed in any told them nothing beyond the fact, that on the very day flasher explanation. when egave ntice of this measure the price of sugar in Mr. WARBU RTON—Then I colleet from the an- thiscountrhywaso2s.higherthaninthecorrespondingperiod ewer of the Right Hon. Gentleman that he will not inform last year, and that in November their treaty with Brazils the House whether he acted legally or not.—(Cheers, would cease, and on that account it was incumbent on erica of " Order, order," and " Sp the oke, Right spoke.") them to make some alt era ti on . Th e P res id ent of the Mr. ROEBUCK thought with Hon. Gen- Board of Trade said that he was disappointed in his cal tleman, the Member for Taunton, that this power, vested culation as to the supply to be derived from India. Ile in aSecretary of State, ought to bo exercised with great believed that if' they placed the sugar duties on a firm caution. lie thought the Secretary of State ought to be re- footing, within ten years they would give such a stimulus spoesible to the House of Commons, and it would be well to its production in India as would secure to them a - large Kt,here should be ordered to be placed on the table of the supply. In 1836 the supply from India had been Only x / LTOe .. of Commons, every six months, a return of the 25,000 tons, and it was now 50,000 tons.—(Hear, hear.) her of letters opened under a Secretary of State's By encouraging the g rowth of sugar in India they would viAm.ank - n Mr. VI tINIE. be . increasing the demand for English manufactures, Minister before had never heard it avowed by any which would not be the case if they encouraged for .opening p rivatetlllh had given any authority whatever the growth of the su;ar in Java, because in that island a through the P ost-office, which were passing duty of 50 per cent., ad valorem, was levied upon all Rri- He was of opinion, that tish manufactures. He thought this measure was uncalled notwithstanding what had fallen from his lion. Friend, for, because the supply of sugar for India would be greater that in a free country such a privilege ought not to exist, than the demand. He thought the continued prevalence of (Chtees.,' They were tokl that the slave the moment th e easterly winds was sufficient to account for the present he touclorl the soil became free, but by this' privil small excess of price. He found that the stock of sugar in being ymted.in the Secretary of State, the tnan who ego thelhated Kingdom, on the 12th. June last, was 38,100 tons free upon that toil became a slave himself. It uppeare a , i against 31,000 tons • the amount of the stock at the same period last year, and that in London alone, the excess of to him to be an attack on public liberty. He would ask stock in Jan, and J 1843, as 3,000 tons. how long th e warran t w hi c h t h e Right Hots. Gentleman The average uar pri y ce lB44 of su gar in anu 18 41 ' was 385. , in 1842 it was bad issued had been in existence ? It might have 375:, in 1843 it was 36s , and in 1844 it was 375., being a ben existing for many months past. Why should trifle higher than it was in 1843, but lower than it was in such. a. system of espionage exist—why should her Ma- 1841 and 1842. d O t n h the Ist l of June the stock on hand was 6 y o e o rt oo r w to o n u s ll ro a m moxi n t ga t i o siesty'e Secretary of State be made a police-officer for 1n,_09 . 9_ t t o o n n s s , from an the e supp l y Ind t ies 's the protection of the Emperor of Russia, or any other ( 25 ),Ø t t x , 0 1() tons from Madras, 30,000 tons from Mauritius, making individual? Such a thing was a disgrace to the coon altogether a supply of 260,000 tons. The consumption in try. It was discreditable to the man who attempted it, 184,3 was 202,000 tens. This, therefore, would leave an in and dishonourable •in a House of Commons that would crease over the amount of consumption of 58,000 tons on 31st sanction it. . He thought they had a right to demand December, 1844; the stock on hand at the same period last further explanation from the BF: Alt Honourable year amounting only to 40,000 foes. The Right Hon Gentleman Baronet. .We were at perfect peace in this coon- might deny that the supply would he such as he had stated, but try, and no-plots were in agitation; consequently there he had in his possession letters front the colonies confirming his was no necessity for such a privilege being exe rcised as statements. The Noble Aurd, - the S e cretary for the Colo that-which had been taken advantage of by the Right nies, on introducing his measure relating to Canadian corn ion, had staterl ill'it a great protection ought to be ex- Hetn.Gentleman. This appeared to him to be one of the l t a e s n t de se d li to the 'produCtions - of the Colonies, and that they ought in.ost-disgraeeful transactions he had ever heard of. He d i ffered: to be treated "as integraportions of the empire. The Govern with the Speaker, in thinking that this ment had now altered t heir policy, and seemed prepared to sa -1 - not iv case of pressing grievance. They had a right, he said awain to demand an explanation f c e r w ifie w e e t e h k e s a co g l o on th ie e s d f u o t r y the bene fi t of the mother country. A had been taken eff wool. That was front t he Right Ifon es oura ' ble Gentleman, for the act for the benefit of the mother country; but was it for the be eves a most di seredituble . and disgraceful one, and the nefit of the Australian colonies ?—( Hear, hear.) Was it not Right Hon. Baronet might depend upon it that if he did exposing them to foreign competition ? Thlee(s;loverement,Lalde not give th a t explanation it would riot be the last timehe would henr of it. li e trusted, therefore, that the now commenced operations agaihnasdt lastthe seY,sio t n agree d lnd ies. to a Hight Hon. Baronet, for his own sake, would g ive' House of Assembly of Jamaica the ex _ memorial to her Majesty on the subject of the duties of th a t from that memori a l, planatiort.whieh had been requi re d o f hi m. colony. He w o uld rea d s ome ex tra cts Mr. F. FRENCH said it was evident from the answer or the Right Hon. Baronetl that the remarks in it were exaggerated. notwithstanding the remarks a the Hon. Member for Wolver hampton, wh o li stat b et r , that both he and the Post hen roceeded ' to read extracts from the • OffiCe- authorities had been guilty of misdemeanour on [The Hon . m qu Member then whic i h the memorialistsjstated that several threoor four occasions, for it must be eviih•nt to every e rn o e free nt and m sugar p lantations ' had been abandoned in consequence one, from . the answer which had bsen given by Right Hon. Baronet, that only one warrant had been pervaded the .of the want su of labour, and tht unil gloom the island.rpl Th y e memorialists con a cluded versa by stating had b een withdrawn inasmuch as he had stated th at " the " warrant that they always looked to their gracious Sovereign and to a . Mr. WATSON begged to call the a tt ent i o n of ; Conservative Government, to a ff or d th em p ro t ec ti on . ( Thi s the eassege was received with lout ironical cheers and laughter House to the words of the Act of Parliament. It Was from the Opposition.) The memorialists went on to state that id certainly a most unconstitutional exercise of power, and , du r t etl y o u tn e h tio u in the duty on colonial sugar and k co ff ee in n o t u he enost.unpopular, to open the letters its the Post-o ffi ce, a fford zr e elief, but that, i t f a wouldre cluertutioun them,to lace and render and therefore the Act of Parliament should be construed nugatory the slave -grown of the slay emancipation.] The mea strictly. He wanted to knot" from the Government theyand sure Proposed by the Government would produce great dis law-officers of the Crown what interpretation satisfaction in the colonies. In order to show that the state would put on the Act of Parliament. There was a ments of distress were not exaggerated, he would read to them great. distinction b e t ween warran t s t o o pen particul a r an account of the losses incurred during the last year on twelve West Inndniaen mesetracteasn.ceThese accounts had been furnished to letters which would pass through the Post-office on a him W on n ou t n alone. second, On the first estate e ti s i ta o t t e ni t r h d e , particular day, and general warrants to open particular loss ha y d been 2501.. 11 letters, directed to a particular individual.—(Hear.) The , 832/. ; on the fourth, 5,083/. ; on the fifth, 3,4701. ; on the sixth, 3,440/. ; on the seventh, 8,0181. ; on the eighth, House should recollect what a struggle there was abou t 10,201/. ; on the ninth, 2,25 et ; on the tenth, 442/. ; on the general warrants as to service. lie would call the after- tion of the House to the two Acts of Parliament on the eleventh, 478/. ; and, on the twelfth, 770/. ; and yet subject. - The first Act was the 9th of Anne, chap. 10, the Right Honourable Gentleman would endeavour to see. 40, and the words of it were—" Except by express persuade the Ilouse that the measure he proposed warrant in writi ng , un d er t h e h an d of one of her Ma- would secure the prosperity of the West Indian coloni the certificate of origin, the e eral f li e n s ; jesty's p r i nc i pa l Secretaries of State for every such open- With respect to log, det ent i on, or delay." „Could any one, g i v i ng a f a i r i n was th a t o f dissatisfaction and distrust. The col g on n ists th ee ought terpretation to those words, say that it meant that you that the temptation c too 6f the amount of duty between 345. and great, and that all precautions against the 635. would h were to have a warrant to be kept in force till revoked to open all letters coating in a particular handwriting to a P4l.Fl N rC l e i tt erindividual.-!(Il e a r ) - Now let thorn see how introduction fin o d f istlsawveasuignator thisw would o nbnetruys.elelssf, the ed tGhantveitruwmoeunldt inevitably -‘ tnil-j sii a - ltiftelha .. d - , : ii:rivirit ,.... „. -, b y the statute proposed by the ho would they be able to prevent could not prevent ext y ensive frauds in f t r h a e u ir ds ow in n c C u u s s t t n o rn m :h h e o u u s s e e s , -.. ,• cirabOrittosTaunten. The House would recollect .- o that t -Act sai Parliament • ... f - to con i o h d . a ,. s os w as an Act passed merely probability of sugar being imported from _ abroad:?—(Hear, w hear.) He considered that til the States ofa Agmreea.t. lez .' 6%-w"' e' Now Acts. The words in that Act rice . They might expect to see many shipn ents of sugar from . -e_ . • .----e.. • , am, or delay lettere in obedience to an that country. The Government might obtain a considerable seo— ,Pr "" 1, 17 1 " „ t ' Now what was meant by an expre..s increase of revenue from tlis change, but he contended that _ e , warran an express warrant to open letters , I y this increase would be at the expense of the colonists. H 7 - •-freri tin ' -,- ti;d 1. h h 4 iik e t e an— of one of the • princip al' wished to say a few words on the subject of coffee; Ihe duty foge - i n - n ' . . t on wires was reduced from eightpence to sixpence. He was Acts of Parliament which existed 1004P.b to the assured that the people of this country would not buy Brazilian coffee, because of its bad Ilaiotir. Bit thia disturbing of the duties kind the most ins`riiicious effects. What confidence could the merchante - have in the stability of the present state of things? —(Hear, hear.) The motion that he had brought forward was the result of mature consideration on the ail of those most interested in the spbiqe.t. Other ttiirjtfliii- 4' et iyateitt of differential datiet: Lpi * . Okiiig to . th'e.Worcling of 'the • Bill, to fiats Iliforiiied bYihoise whom . jae 'ziaeaqlted,ori,, th e entice; that i the liiiher 'quality of ja.va s i uktse would .130 iptreddeed, Under the . Bill. He thought , ~at , all event'S; ala 4. thoillti not be left B i ll. , the Aire or Custom-house officers.•—( Hear, Heat.) lie was told that compensation , had been given, but could that be called compensatian which did not give the West India interest one-fifth of whet the? Wight to get ? He thought that If they had a free system of iiiimigration in the West iii - dies they would not have so teach to hompleire ( Heir, hear.) Rut that *As Wit alleisell; and rib* their cOlde nies would be *arse than iiieleis, Unless the were supported by a s.utlieleet distrintinating duty. In Jamaica, Trinidad and Guiana, the price of labour was 4id. an hour, while in Barbadoes it was only 2d.; the consequence of this was that it occasioned a difference in the value of estates. It had been stated that the land, particularly that of Jamaica, had Leen worn out. He had travelled over the island, and could contradict that asstartien. They might be sure that as long as their colonies existed they would require protection. The Right Hon. Gentleman, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, might suppose that his preposition would have the effect of injuring the revenue, but he did not think such would be the case. The colonial sugar markets could not be in a worse condition than they then were, and the shipping interest connected with the West Indian trade was in a most depressed state. He wished the Right lion. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer would pay a visit to his estates in the West Indies, and then he would see that those territories which formerly produced the cane in . abundance, were now overrun with wood and weeds. St. Domingo, formerly so productive, was now in a most impoverished condition, which might be chiefly attributed to the emancipation of the slaves. .He did not come forward to ask any exorbitant protection in favour of the West Indian colonists. He only asked so much as would screen them from total ruin. He had hitherto given his consistent support to the Government, but he believed it to be his bounden duty to oppose them on this occasion. He felt it useless to appeal to the Treasury benches, as he knew he should find no mercy there. He felt it equally useless to appeal to the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, who were in favour of a free trade in sugar. But he turned with some degree of confidence to the agricultural Members.—(lronical cheers from the.Oppoaition.)• They surely ought to support the colonists, as the case of these men might very soon be their OVVh.--( Laughter.) The same principle applied to both. The only difference was, that here we grow corn, there they grow sugar.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Gentleman concluded by proposing his amendment, and expressing his regret that he had oot been able to address his arguments in a more effective manner to the House. Mr. BAILEY seconded the amendment, and observed that the Right Hon. Gentleman, the President of the Board of Trade, had, in combatting some arguments of the Noble Lord, the Member for the City of London, misquoted the re turns of the price of American sugar, or rather misrepresented those returns, in order to suit his own purpose. The Right Hon. Member quoted the returns of the price of sugar at New York, whi c h se t f ort h t h at t h e price in that city was from 353. to 403. per cwt., whereas the average price in New Or leans, as appeared from late returns, was only 225. per cwt.— (Hear,' hear. ) The Hon. Member then quoted from the last official returns of the United States, which stated that in New Orleans sugar was only 25 cents per lb., or 255. per cwt., and these documents further specified, that since the American tariff had been passed the increase of sugar had been very great, particularly in the State of Louisiana. In truth, the Bill was brought into the House under a false pretence=_( Hear, hear) —and the arguments of the Government in supporting it were grounded upon false data. Slave-grown sugar would not be kept out of the -English market by the Bill. By this Bill America would be enabled to send sugar to this 'country at a cheaper duty than it could come from our own colonies. If this were the case, then a vacuum would he created id the sugar Market of America, and that vacuum would have to be filled up with the slave-grow n produce of Cuba and Brazil. This Bill would, therefore, be indirectly an encouragement to slavery and the slave-trade. Now, he wished to ask the Right Hon. 'Ba• ronet whether it was his intention to enter into .a .treaty of commerce with Brazil ? - If he did so, the first article of that treaty should be to place Brazil on the footing of the most fa voured nation. He (Mr. Bailey) thought the people of the country had to complain of the course which the Government had taken on the subject. To show the necessity for this Bill, the Government ought to have shown that the supply of sugar this year was less than the demand. This, however, was not the case, for the returns showed that the stock in band this time last year was 31,000 tons. while this year it was 38,000 tons. He believed that the vacillating and uncertain course of her Majesty's Government would, if persisted in, involve a large portion of the empire in the greatest destitution and distress. Mr. EWART could not support the proposition of the Hen. Gentleman, because it maintained a difference in the duty on sugar in one part of the world and sugar grown in another. He did not believe that the proposition would be of that benefit to the country which the hon. supporteri of it bad anticipated. The CHANCELLOR of the :EXCHEQUER thought the speeches 'which the two Hon. Gentlemen who had pro posed the amendment had delivered, applied but ill to the re solution which had been submitted to the Committee that even ing. The liOn. Member for Bristol had stated that the reso lution of the Government would give protection to the slave trade, b u t h e ( t h e C hancellor of the Exchequer) would ask Whether the Honourable Gentleman's own pro proposition would tend in any way to discourage that trade? T come more closely, however, to the proposition then be fore the . House, if he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) were pr'rpared to agree to- any further reduction of the duties on sugar he should not_ be willing to make them as suggested. Dill he 'think such reduction desirable he should prefer to effect it in such a way as to give an advantage to the con sumer, and also very probably to throw some of the money into the pockets of intermediate parties. He must, however, be peamitted, whilst speaking to the proposition itself, to congra tulate the H'euse that there was so much agreement between it and that which he himself had had the honour to submit to their consideration.—(ltlurmtw e from the back . Ministerial beaches.) His Hen. Friends behind; by the proposition which. they had submitted, showed that they agreed with him that' there ought to be a distinction made between colonial and foreign sugar, and they also agreed with him th a t w h a t ever was ' the reduction, it should b e made as early a s p oss ibl e . Hi s H on. Friends behind him also told the House that he had rightly estimated the amou n t o f p ro t ect i on t h at they required.—(Loud cries of " No, no," and expressions of surprise.) Why, they proposed precisely the same amount of protection as he had proposed, and the only distinction between the two measures was this, that he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) sub mitted a measure without a reduction of revenue. There might, perhaps, be some fraction of adifference between them, but he confessed he looked Upon it as of so minute a character as not to be worth one moment's consideration ; and, there fore, he was justified in saying that even in the view of his Honourable Friends behind him, ten shillings protecting duty was looked upon as ade quate and sufficient. If then the protection was the same in both cases—the same according to the plan of the Go vernment, and the same according to the suggestion of his friends—if they had the same advantages hereafter against com peting parties as they themselves proposed—what was the be nefit they proposed to attain by the course they were now pur.. suingj? The end would he this, that there would be a loss to .the revenue, no benefit to the consumer , an d t h e duty that was sacrificed they hoped to get into their own pockets in whole or in part. Now, in discussing the two proposals before them, it was the duty of the House to consider how they would operate on thedifferent interests affected by them. To begin with the case of the consumer. With respect to his (the Chancellor of the Exchequer's) proposal his friends behind him stated that in its working it would only give to the consumer the advantage of one halfpenny in the pound. He freely admitted that the benefit was small, and not as good as might have been wished. But his object had necessarily been two-fold—to consult the comfort of the consumer, and to regard the interests of the re venue. Now it was necessary to state that when he made up his mind to propcsc a measure in reference to the sugar duties ha acted under the pressure of a feelieg which still exercised it self powerfully upon him, that during the latter part of the year which had to arrive there would probably be a considerable scarcity in the article of sugar. And this expectation he had founded, not on loose statements, but on a careful consideration of facts communicated to him, and on a consideration of what had occurred in antecedent years. These expectations were confirmed by the West Indian party themselves. From the best sources he could consult he bad come to the conclusion that the supply of sugar for 1844 would be about 227 s 00 tons, or equal to that which they had anticipated in 1843. He well knew that owing to the great drought in Jamaica, the failure of the crops had been most extensive, and he could speak with the more confidecce on this point, because his own property, which was situated in by far one of the most fertile portions of that island, had partaken of the general unpro ductiveness. The crop in all the dis'rict he referred to .had fallen so, that where they counted by hundreds they now only counted by tens. He had also been informed, on the very best authority, that a number of estates had been given up. Ani therefore, when he had to make his estimate of the probable re ceipts of sugar, he could not but come to the conclusion that they must not calculate for this year on a largerimport than for the year 1813. There were a number of persons, hoe ever, who complained strongly of the way in which -the sugar duties were levied—of the annual discussions- s ( Hear, hear )-- upon the subject, and of the unsettled state in which pro perty and trade were k e pt b y i t.—( General and loud cries of " Hear, hear.") He was ready to admit that the present in.. security which existed on this subject vt as' a great evil, and that it was moat desirable to put those duties on a More stable footing. And when the time came that the income-tax must be taken into consideration, in connexion with the great sub jects of the trade, commerce, and revenue of Country, it would be for the House to make up its mind whether it would not recur, - as regarded the sugar duties, to that state of per manence to which ithad formerly rebelled, but to which perhaps hereafter it might properly prefer to return.—( Hear, hear. ) But let him see what effect the proposition of his friends be hind;hino would have upon the consumer. What would be the effect? Why, that during the intervening period be tween this and the time they proposed that their scheme should come five operation, they would paralyse the trade-- they gave an intimation to every man who was now about to buy not to do so. The effect of that would be to stint the market to the greatest possible degree, and all that incon venience would result to the consumer which a contracted market necessarily occasioned ; and this, too, would take place precisely when most mischief would be occasioned; when, from the abundance of trait, the demand for sugar ought to be the greatest and the supply ought to be accorded to the largest extent possible. In considering this question they were bound to look at its effect on the revenue. He antici pated from this alteration a loss, at first, of 60,000/. to the revenue, against which was to be placed the increase that would probably arrive in the latter part of the year. It was necessary that they should keep the revenue up to its usual amount, or they would not be able to give the Howe that fair opportunity of discussing the continuance of the income tax, which it was must desirable the House should have. With respect to the risk that it was said would arise from the admis sion of Java and Manilla sugars into the home market, he had made diligent inquiry into the subject, and he could not discover in the warehouses of London any Manilla or Java sugar of a higher quality than the usual sugar in the market. He did not, therefore, see the necessity of any additional item in the tariff; that would only lead to great doubt and confusion. Whether it might be possible to draw a more clear and defi nite distinction between the different sorts of sugar he did not know, but it was a point well deserving consideration. At one period he made a proposition of that kind to the House, which, however, was not favourably received.—(" Hear, hear," from Lord John Russell.) There was a combination against it of Members on boils sides of the House ; and his only consolation under the difficulties of the ques tion was the confession of Lord Sidmouth, in his place in the House, that he thought the attempt was extremely praiseworthy ; and he regretted that 'ne should ever have opposed it. His lion. Friend had entered into a variety of Wtohpiicchs t a ha c t ou w n e t r r e y r s a h t o h u e l r d applicabl e to the gen era l p r i nc i p l es on question b e f ore t h e House.He knew governed t t h h a a t n t t h e e r e thewas im m a e g d r i e a a t e t objection to the principle of free trade, as applied to this and other questi ons . T his might to some extent be owing to the obloquy the phrase had acquired from the way in which it had been used. But he, was not, fur that reason, to be deterrent from doing what he thotight was erinitahle between the con tending parties. It was because lie had tried to reconcile con tending parties —to reconcile the interests of the producer with' that of the consumer—that he had exposed himself to the im putation of having brought forward a measure that was dis. appointing to every interest it applied to. His Hon. Friend said it did not assist the revenue, that it did not please the free traders, though they would vote for it, and that it still less pleased i the West Indian proprietors, because it admitted to the Dome ,marhgt at .a reasonable ,dutr, what had, been before ex e tided. When they disetiesed this questitin, they intitit hear in mind that: there was ' 0 great a,hd.groWitv tleling in the piibliii mind against any proteotion,beyend,w,hattlie necesgiti pf the Caie required I and in filing , the Sinn Which, hp N oug h t the justice of the case required, he consideised it tatter tO flu it at the amount he hid done than to be under the necessity of making further reductions hereafter. It was disagreeable to be placed in opposition to those with whom he generally acted, grid folS tirhniii lie had. C gtent pertoral . esteem ; br he could assure the Hdn. Gentlemen that he had acted iti isle fretett base under the bertain impression that the ineaSure was one for their bash ultimate interest. He believed the worst thing that could happen for the tioloiiies was; that sugar should rise in price, in this country, to the level at which it had beeii and whatever the colonies might have suffered—what ever they might hare lost by the suppression of . the sys tem of apprenticeship, which was prematurely cut sho-t— -yet the feeling was strong that considerations of individual interest should give way for the general good of the community. Notwithstanding all that had been said on the subject, he firmly believed that the measure was a sound one, and that it was not adverse to the permanent interest of the colonies themselves. He recommended the msasure to the House, and he thought the House would concur with the Government in the view he had taken. Mr. LABOUCHERE said the speech' of the Right Honourable Gentleman had strongly tended to increase the impression he felt, when the financial statement of the Govern ment was made, that the discussion of this question, and that of the income-tax, ought not to have been separated. He regretted that the Government had severed these two questions. The House came with great disadvantage to the discussion of them, but they could not help themselves. They were in Committee on the sugar duties, and they must discuss them in the best mariner they could. It was his intention to support the motion of the Hon. Member for Bristol. The question was the choice between the measure of Her Majesty's Government and that of the Hon.. Member, and he considered the plan of the Hon. Member the best of the two.--( Hear, hear.) He would now proceed to consider this question with regard to the interests of the consumer, the West Indian interest, and the revenue, and, as compared with the scheme of the Govern ment, he thought that the proposition of the Hon, Member for Bristol would be far more beneficial to the consumer in this country, whose interests should be first in their regard.— (Cheers.) How the Right Hon. Gentleman could argue that the measure of the Government would be more beneficial to the consumer was to him perfectly astounding.—( Hear, hear. ) Perhaps the Government intended to, re-open this question next year in connexion with the income-tax, but if that were so, was there ever an important public interest treated in such a way as the West lndlan !merest was by the present Govern ment?—( Cheers.) It woe desirable they should have some explination from the Government on the subject, because the language used by the Government had spread consternation amongst the merchants, and produced a perfect stagnation in trade.—(Hear, hear.) The principle of the Government measure, if principle it had, was that they should exclude slaire-grown sugar, and quarrel with their best customers to give every encouragement to' free labour produce. But no body believed that they could obtain that object. Not a single Minister had said that iri his conscience he believed they would be able to do sa's but the Right Hon. Gentleman, the President of the Lard Of Trade, said that if it came in "it would not be on their consciences. Mr. GLADSTONE denied that he said se. Mr. LABOUCHERE said he should be sorry to misrepre sent the Right Hon. Gentleman. He was under the impres sion that he said so ; but it was, at all events, utterly absurd to suppose that they could exclude sugar. He held in his hand rather a curious document. It was an extract from the Ha• vannah Price Current, of the 9th of May. This was when it was understood what would 'be the general features of the measure of her Majesty's Government. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the measure of her Majesty's Government could not have been known then. Mr.' LABOUCHERE said he thought it was pretty gene rally known what that measure would be, after the discussion which had taken-place on the subject of the Brazil treaty.— ( Hear, hear.) At all events, the merchant as ho wrote the extract he was about to read, made a pretty accurate guess. He said that during the last month large purchases of sugar had been made, and at a higher price, in consequence of the London advices of March, from which it appeared that there was an intention of an alteration in the English duties, which, though indirectly, would increase the quantity of Havannah sugar exported to Europe.—(Cheers.) He was more inclined to believe the merchant who wrote this, than the calculations and prophecies of her Majesty's Government, who would per suade them that the system of certificates would effect the exclusion of slave-grown sugar from this country. It was a perfect delusion to suppose that they would have such an effect. He hoped they would have a more satisfactory expla nation from her Majesty's Government than had yet been ob tained on the subject of those certificates. It was 'a system entirely nov e l i n th e i r C ustom-house regulations. The notion of certificates of 'origin coming from foreign ports, and de pendent for their accuracy on the signature of foreigners, ex cept that they were to be seen by her Majesty's Consul, never, he believed, came into the _head of . any Government except that of her Majesty's present Government.—( Hear, hear.) Them what a duty did they impose on her Majesty's Consul ? How was' their Coitsul at New Orleans to act and decide upon the different representations which would be made -to him ? The fact was, that the sschenie of the Government would get them into interminable difficulties with foreign countries. These who thought that the scheme of the Government was better than that of the Hon. Merniker for Bristol, were of opinion that the sugar of Java, Manilla, and Siam, would not come in at the low 'duty . of 30s, but at the high duty of 345. He (Mr. Labouchere):dotsbtedthat it would be so. He held in his hand a return' upon which relianee might be placed, of the average price of the various descriptions of augers in bond in • the months of May, June s -July, and August,' in the yeas 1839, 1840, 1841, 1842; 64 . 1843. riot to. go though_the vshole, Ise n'otittstakis* the Tor 1843, 'and he fontiffiay . at that the average price of Java, Manilla, and Siam brown sugar in bond averaged 19s per cwt. , ' The price of 'white Brazil su g a r duringthe sa me m onth'wt. 235., and of yellow . stigttr 17s. 6d. The price of Havannah *bite sugar was 285., of brown, 19s. The consequence he deduced from these figures was this : that the greater part of the sugar produced in Java, Manila, and Siam,:and in bond in London at that time, must have more Closely resembled the brown. sugars which would be intro duced under the 30s. duty than the white sugar which would be introduce a t 345. His opinion was that they would hive a considerably larger supply of brown Muscovado sugar at the low duty than of the white sugar at the high duty, and that consequently the consumer would- be greatly benefited.— But he would not consider exclusively the interests of the con sumer. He would also consider the interests of the West India planters, and he rejoiced that on this oclasien he could support a plan that reconciled their interests with the interests of the consumers. (Hear, hear.) Then, with regard to revenue, it was not alleged by the Chan cellor of the Exchequer that he felt any great alarm at the motion . of the Hon. Member for Bristol en account of the re venue, nor in his (11r. Labouchere's) opinion was there any fear on that account. He would vote for the scheme of the Hon. Member for Bristol as preferable to that of the Government. Any attempt to distinguish between slave grown sugar and free-labour sugar would be fraught with diffis culty and danger, and would be proved to be altogether nuga tory. It was most important that there should be a permanen settlement of this question, and confidence amongst the mer. cantile interest was far better than a duty of Is. more or least For the reasons he had given he should support the motion o the Hon. Member fur Bristol.—(Cheer s .) Mr. GODSON could not congratulate the body to which he belonged on the Right Hon. Gentleman's advocacy. It was not pretended that this was anything more than a temporary measure. It was understood by all parties that it would be made known next year precisely upon what footing the duties were to be placed. He looked forward to a tithe when there would be a duty of 14s. or 15s. and that Change he believed would be a real benefit to the consumer- In the. meantime, he be lieved the alteration would not make a. difference of - more than 5,000 or 6,000 tons in the year. The question was often asked why there should be any difference at all between the duty OR colonial and that of foreign sugar. He thought the simple answer to that objectiOn existed in the fact that the colonies were their own. All the instruments used in the production came from England : their rates were all the same; there was the same Church Establishment ; there were, in all respects, in fact, similar expenses ; and that being the case, he thought it was but just that there should he a distinction made between the colonies and foreign coun tries. He regarded the present measure as an 'indication of what was to take place next year. If the duty were reduced down to 15s next year, the free-labour sugar would, of course, be admitted, and then would come the question of the admission of sugar from Cuba and Brazil, in which the question of the slave-trade should not be lost sight of. He would not vote for the motion: -of the lien. Member for Bristol, because he thought-that by-doing so he would pledge himself to' eonse:nr. to . it larger extension ' o f t h e pr i nc i p l e i n future. - - '. ' Mr. BERNAL thought the arguments of his Hon. and Learned Friend were most'incOnclusire. If he was such a friend 'to a general settlement-Why was he so enamoured taf ~the pre sent proposition ? Why . did he , not oppose', this at tempt to take a tithe :of the change, en that occasion when he expected: -'a final settlement next year ?—(.Dear.) 'They most look their difficulties In the face He considered the course advocated by his Hon. Friend oppo site one in which he was imperatively called on to concur. He had heard it hinted on. that side that there might be some conspiracy in the pitspogyl . of 345. in reference 16' the free. grown sugar of Manilla and Java. He did not believe that any conspiraeLerlisted. The Hon. Gentleman then made a detailed statement of the process of claying and refining sugars, and explained the difference between cloyed sugars,. Muscovado sugars, and bastard sugars. He was surprised to hear the statement of the Hon. Member for Dumfries, that the differential duty between the Muscovado and the clayed sugars had been reduced at the solicitation of the West, India body. notHe b e e m li a e n v a e t d ed th f a ro t m a aothleici‘txapetisotnitnodtiahabt body. The might have ema nated from th e grocers and the refiners, but i t h a d certa i n l y g eou ht id H n on ot . Gentleman h a d sa id t h at the Custom house distinguish b e t ween the Muscovado and the claye d sugars , but he really cou l d not - imagine that t h ere cou ld be any diffi cu l ty i n distinguishing between them . If no difference we re ma d e b etween clayed and Muscova d o sugar , a great h ar d s hi p would be intlieted upon the West In di a b o d y. oTffihece Right No clayed sugars ware prepared in the West Indies—he believed none were prepared in the East Indies or the Mauritius, and it would be a great hardship it the clayed and crushed' sugars of Siam, which had undergone a partial process of refinement, were admitted at the same duty as the Muscovado sugar. The words of the Bill were " cloyed, but not refined ;" those words were calculated to produce confusion. He protested against being fettered in any subsequent transactions by supporting this measure, except that he admitted that the West Indians could not expect any protection beyond 10s. He thought the I West Indians ought to have some relief afforded them in the article of rum.—(Cheers.) It was ridiculous that it should be excluded from the markets of Scotland and Ireland by the differential duty at present existing—( Hear, hear)—and he t was also of opinion that molasses should no longer .be excluded i from the distilleries by the present absurd regulations. Mr. BOUVERIE, in allusion to the statement which had been made, that there was a'conspiracy among-the West India body to carry this motion, would observe, that although there was:no direct evidence of conspiracy, yet, if they admitted the doctrine of conspiracy as laid down in another country, there certainly was evidence of a conspiracy among the West India body tit carry this motion.—(Cheers and laughter.) If he could be convinced that the proposition of the Hon. Member for Bristol would not create an additional differential duty, he would support it, but as far as he could understand it, the effect of the proposition of the Hon. Member for Bristol would be to create a differential duty of 145. instead of one of 10s., as proposed by the Government, and, therefore, he should vote against it.—( Hear, hear.) I n a r evenue point of view, it was of importance ;hat the money raised to carry on the Government should be raised in the manner the least bur- . densome to the people, !Mt it was also a fundamental prin ciple that no portion of the money so raised should go to any purpose except to the support of the S:ate.—( Cheers.) Now what was the operation'ot the differential duties? A differen tial duty of 4.15. per cwt. gave the West. Indian and the East Indian proprietors a monopoly of the market.. Whatever amount of differential duty- was imposed. if it did not give a monopoly, it gave a berms to the whole amount of the differen tial "duty.—( Hear, hear.) He could not see any reason for giving an additionel bonus to the West India proprietors. Even at a differential duty of 10s. 6d., which was proposed by rHE SUN, LONDON, SA.TITIthAy _EVENING, JUNE 15, 1844. the Government, the Vs eat India proprietors bed, during, the last four years, received 2,050,000 e, and the idditiongl half penny proposed by the Hon. Gentleman would give them 818,0001. more, which would be taken from the purposes of the State, and must be raised out of the pockets of the people to supply the deficiency. Now if everyt hi ng went 'ell With the iYest lediane, there might be some excuse for continuinf thie system ; th'sl had alleaye been c o mpl a i n • ins, of su ering and loss since they had listen tin derAbe systemsof protection. , It v'sas useless for them to say that the attention of slavery had pidtNiced these limes arid infferings. They Made the same complaints before slave - 4 olds abolished: He held in his hand a memorial from the West India proprieferei in 1801, containing the same complaints. It was clear then that they slid not prosper under the system, and he would recommend them td try anSihn'. bet ttim try the system of free trade.— "( Hear, hear.) Why sho u ld ntit free trade answer with regard to sugar as well as it had with regard to silk ?—(lleaes hem., ) They, had better at once make the change, and consent to all of the. duties. Mr. F. BARING was set rorprised that the Chancellor of the Exchequer should be anxious to cattls the discussion to the proposition immediatiately before the House, find elesold not diverge into a discussion on the principles of the measure. He could not but recollect the arguments which had been used against the proposition which he bad e bmitted to the House in 1841—how slightingly and contemptuously the arguments he had ventured to use had been passed °ter. He had been assured by the Right Hon. Gentleman, the present Chancellor of the Exchequer, that there was no necessity for alteration— the prices would fall—that there would be an ample supply for the West Indian Colonies and for India, and that the most per fect reliance could be placed upon the estimated amount of the supply. He had ventured to suggest that the estimates might be exaggerated, and that the supply would not equal the de • mand. The Right Hon. Gentlemen found that the arguments which he had then used were now used against himself by the Hon. Gentlemen behind him. Night after night had he (Mr. Baring) been taunted with these estimates, and now the Right Hon. Gentleman who had so taunted him told him very coolly that they might be mistaken in their estimates., end that, in fact, no reliance whatever could be placed upon them. —(Loud cheers.) Another weighty argument was, that a great experiment was going on in the West Indies, and they were asked how they could reconcile it to their duty to introduce the competition of slave-grown sugar pending that experiment. What were they doing now ?--(Cheers.) The price of West India sugar must be regulated according to the proposed plan by the price of free-labour sugar. Now, if they had as ample a supply of free-labour sugar as they wanted, its price must be regulated by the price of sugar in the markets of the world : that was, by the price of slave-grown sugar.—(Cheers.) The Right Hon. Gentleman gave a pro tection of 10s.. and a shade, which he calculated at 2s. Now he (Mr. Baring) had proposed a protection of 125., so that there was no great difference between them. The great ar gument against his proposition had been, you are encouraging slavery. What were t h ey d o i ng now ? He admitted they were not doing it directly, but they were doing it as surely as if they took 10,000 tons of slave-grown sugar. The Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool had told them that they were indirectly encouraging slavery, but the Noble Lord had given no notice of a resolution now, as he had in 1841. (Cheers and laughter.) The Government had adopted a most unfortunate course in stating that they would re-consider the question next year. Whatever they intended to do they should do at once, so as to disturb the markets as little as pos sible. They should not leave the markets for one whole year in fear of they knew not what.--( Cheers arid laughter.) lie had heard the Chancellor of the Exchequer say that nothing could be more unfortunate than for a Government to hold out an expectation of change. At the commencement of the present session his Hon. Friend the Member for London had asked the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of the Governs ent if he intended to alter the sugar duties, and the Right Hon. Gentleman had replied, that he could only suppose that such a question could be put by the youngest Member in the House. But the Hon. Member for London now had his revenge. The Right Hon. Gentleman would not tell him three months be forehand what he intended to do; nothing could be more in jurious to trade. But now for a whole year they left the colo nial interest under the announcement of the proposed reconsi deration ; nothing could be more injudicious or more inconsiderate. The Honourable Gentleman who had just sat down, and who had addressed the House so well—(Cheers)-- had stated it as his opinion that there was concealed under the proposition of the Hon. Member for Bristol some intention of a proposal for giving additional protection to the West India interest. If he had the slightest idea that such would be the effect of the proposition of the Hon. Gentleman, he would not support it, as he intended doing. He did not believe it would give any additional protection to the West India in interest beyond reducing the price of sugar, and that was a legitimate advantage to which they were fairly entitled. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had fairly stated the pro position of the Hon. Member for Bristol, and he admitted that the protection proposed by each of them was the same. He feared the sugar of Cuba would come into this country.— ( Ironical cries of " Hear, hear," from the Ministerial benches.) Yes, he did not wish to see the Government of this country defeated in its main object; and if slave-grown sugar was to be received, he wished it to be received only in a fair, open man ner.—( Hear, hear.) I n 1841 th e quest i on of layed sugars was brought under his consideration, and be proposed a gene ral duty of 365. Between the time of his announcement of this plan and the period of its being brought under the full consideration of the • House, he received so many, and such forcible, remonstrances, that he became perfectly convinced that it would not be wise and discreet to put all sugars under the same rate of duty. The consequence was, that though he had announced his plan, he made the desired alteration in it. The opinion of the late Mr. Hume, on which much weight should be placed, was, that there ought to be three scales of duty. The Chancellor of the Exchequer, it was true, told them that it was the opinion of the Custom-house officers that no difference of scale could be made. Well, he (Mr. Baring) was not disposed to place much weight on the opinions of these gentlemen, for when they understood what the Chancellor of the Exchequer's opinions were, they generally contrived to square theirs accordingly. What was impossible to-day with them might become possible to-morrow. He held in his hand an extract from the American tariff, and there he found that the duties were divided into three classes. Nearly the same system prevailed in Holland. 'He felt bound to say that he thought the Chancellor of the Exchequer ge hayed extremely fair in his statement regarding the revenue. He entirely agreed with him in thinking that there would be a considerable loss in the falling off in the revenue, but he knew it would be only temporary, and felt confident that the revenue would recover itself in the course of next year. He regretted that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had not based his system on a more definite and permanent principle. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said that there would be a reduction of 800.000/. by the reduction of colonial sugar, and they would get 2111,00 tons of sugar in addition to what was at present re ceived. By this additional 20,000 tons we get back 600,000/. of revenue, so that there was only a loss of 200,000/.—sa very small risk when compared with the good it would certainty effect for the colonies. Mr. Huskisson was a careful, steady man, yet in 1829 he proposed a reduction on colonial sugar to 275., and foreign sugar to 665. On that occasion Mr. Hue kissers was met by the argument of the reduction of the revenue. The change was made, and it was anticipated that 542,000/. would be lost, but there was not one-half of that sum lost. He hoped and believed the reduction of the Right Hon. Gentleman would be attended with all the success anticipated by him. Mr. GLADSTONE said the Right Hon. Gentleman had (and he was not surprised at it) sought to distract the atten tion of the House from the real question under the considera tion of the House. The Right Hon. Gentleman talked fluently of frauds and certificates of origin, but they had nothing whatever to do with the motion of the Hon. Member for Bristol. The great charges against the Government were that they disturbed and unsettled public mind and left the colonies to the chance of the future. Now the fact was the Government could nut have made a final settlement of the sugar question at present—the consideration of the income-tax alone was sufficient to prevent a decisive arrangement. He did not think it would be justice to the country to agree to the proposition of the Hon. Gentleman. If they did so, they would take a short-sighted view of the interest of the colonial producer. He granted that they had no reason to suspect that there would be a deficiency of supply, if they measured the supply by the supply of former years. But was the demand likely to be the same as in former years ? Had there not been a great change in the state of the country? Now what was the state of the market for the four months during which the sugar duty remained in a state of uncertainty—that was the four months which elapsed before the declaration of the Chancellor of the Exchequer ? If they compared the prices of the four months of this year with the corresponding four months of the last year, they would find an average rise of 41 in the prices of the present year. He therefore said that they might fairly expect a scarcity this year. A gentle man named Ripley, with a deputation from Liverpool, had waited upon him (Mr. Gladstone) upon this subject, and lie stated that the measure of the Government would have the effect of reducing the price of sugar lid. per pound, taking the prices then ruling. He would beg the House to remem ber that this year the Gasetted average price was higher than it was last, when it was known that the measure which vi as to be proposed would not be a permanent one. One great object of the proposal of the Government was to so arrange as to be a great benefit to the consumer. The Go vernment had been induced to propose this measure from a sense of the great evils attending an absolute state of uncertainty. This Bill went to create a permanence in this great branch of our commerce. It would establish the duty which was to he imposed upon sugar the produce of slavery, and the sugar the produce of free labour, and also to fix the amount of protection to the colonists, which was to be main tained. He complained that the measure of his Hon. Friend the Member for Bristol would have a most injurious effect on 1 the trade in sugar in this country. He asked his Hon. Friend the Member for Bristol whether the reduction which he proposed in British Plantation sugar was to be a permanent arrangement ? He would take the answer either one way or the other. Did his Hon. Friend contemplate a further reduction in the duty next year ? If he did, then what became of his argument respecting the permanent settlement of the question ? If he did not contemplate a further reduction in the duty, then he (Mr. Gladstone) said that his Hon. Friend was not just to the colonists in the protection which he imposed, nor was he just to the consumer in this country. The Hon. Member for Bristol had not given any reason for re-opening the question of those duties at a future time. Re ference had been made in the course of the debate to a letter which was published that day ( Friday) in the Times newspaper. That letter was written by a gentleman who had long been connected with the West 'lndies. But that Gentleman had assured him this day, that although he disapproved of the pro position of the. Government, he would prefer it to the measure of the Hon. Member for Bristol. He did not object so much to the principle of classification as to the mode of classification proposed by .his Hon. Friend the Member for Bristol. Accord ing to the present law great injustice was done to the producers of inferior sugar of British colonies. The distinction proposed by Hon. Gentlemen opposite would operate most injuriously on the colonies. lie thought that the measure of the Govern ment was the best that could be proposed, and he called on the Committee to support it. Mr. M. GIBSON (who rose amidst loud cries of " Divide, divide") said that he had come down to the House disposed to vote for the motion of the Hon. Member for Bristol, but, on examining more carefully the terms of the motion, and looking to its objects, he found that the object of the Hen. Member, and of those who supported him, was to give the West Indies ' a protection of 14 s . per cwt. A gentleman in the City, who was , well acquainted with the subject, told him that he (Mr. 31. Gibson) was not "awake to the trap" for the free traders. —( A laugh.) When he saw the anxiety of the West India in terest to oppose this proposition, he looked on with suspicion. —( Hear, hear.) Under these circumstances, regarding as he did, that both the propositions before the House contained.the principle of protection, but believing that the measure of the Government went further in the direction of free trade than did that of the Hon. Member for Bristol (Mr. Miles), he should certainly give his support to that of the Government. Mr. HOME said that his own opinion was, that the mea sure wouid greatly assist trade, and that, say what they might, or do what they might, there would be no pro hibition to slave-grown sugar. Indirectly it would be admitted. Indeed, his opinion was, that there ' would be a very considerable addition to the supply of sugar. Slave-grown and free-grown sugar would get into the market alike. But what the House ought to consider was not the interest of the West Indian planter, or any of the many inte rests that had been referred to in the course of the debate, but the interest of the consumer. That was the only light in Which they ought to look at the question. The plan of the Hon. Member for Bristol he (Mr. Hume) did not hold to be a good one. But a good sound plan never would be got until they changed their plan altogether. During the time he (Mr. Hume) had been in that House, he had witnessed thee attempts to make discriminating duties, but they had till failed. Under the plan of the Government there would be a large supply 6T smear from America, and the consumer was certain almost immedidtela to have a benefit of one half penny per pound in the price of sugar. Mr. COLQUHOUN said that whilst the criende of the Government plan trusted that by it the consumers would haie their sugar at a halfpenny per pound less, it ought also to be knowe that by the plan of his Hon. Friend the Member for Hristot s the reduction to the consumer in the price of his sugar would be one penny: The Right Hon., Gentleman had strangely enough stated that this year's supply of sugar must be looked upon 23 a decreasing one, whereas it would turn out to be an increasing one. The stock of sugar was greater now than it had been previously known to be. We had a stock at the present moment of 40,000 tons, and yet this was the time selected for the introduction date Government measure, and for the singular statement in support of it made by the Right flare. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer. It had been said that the rod was over them; but they were driven by the rod of steles necessity. They could not go beyond the amount of duty named by the Government. He heel heard nothing in the arguments of either of his Hon. Friends that induced him to change his resolution to vote for the amendment at the Hon. Member for Bristol.—( Hear.) Mr. ESTCOTT said he knew that many West India pro prietors had been ruined. He knell s also, that it was the duty of the Government to apply a remedy to their ease. They had been reduced to this condition under a prohibitory system, and he wished to ask the Hon. Member for Bristol whether he thought his proposition - would be the cure for the condition in which they were placed ? (Divide, divide.) Dr. BOWRING rose amid loud cries of "Divide." He said they had a right to take the benefit of the declaration of the Hon. Member for Bristol, that he did not mean to aue ment the amount of protection; but it was perfectly clear that a duty of 103. upon 20s. was a somewhat greater amount than 10s. upon 245. He felt a great disposition to support his Hon. Friend, because a reduction of duty would tend to cause a re duction of cost.—(Hear, hear ) The amount of duty was one of the elements of price, and whatever diminished the duty must diminish the price of an article. At that hour of the night, and with the House so impatient, he should not detain it, except to inquire what the Hon. Member for Bristol, with such a re sponsibility resting on his shoulders, meant to do with the pro position of his Hort. Friend? Mr. COLLETT said, as a free trader, he should support the proposition of the Hon. Member for Bristol. Mr. JAMES said he should not attempt again to move the flinty hearts of her Majesty's Government with the bad case of the West Indian proprietors, but he wished to make one re mark on something that had fallen from the Right Han, the President of the Board of Trade. He understood him to say that next year it was in contemplation to apply the principle of an ad valorem duty to sugar. If he would do that he should have his vote. He would also ask one question. Was this foreign sugar to be brought in in foreign vessels, or was it to be imported in what were called foreign bottoms? Mr. GLADSTONE said it would be imported according to the provisions of the navigation laws. Under certain con ditions it would be allowed to be brought in foreign vessels. Mr. HAMPDEN said he was unwilling to enter into the subject at all, but he was urged to it by the instinct of self preservation.—( Hear, hear.) He avowed at once that he had a personal interest in thequestion.—( Hear, hear, and a laugh.) He did not ask them then for any deference; they might re ceive his arguments with all the distrust and suspicion which attached to the opinions of an interested man.—( Hear, hear.) As for his facts, he should only use those that were deplorably notorious.—( Hear, hear.) He should not go into the whole question of the policy of commercial restrictions. He should only ask them not. to enforce them- witirgreater stringency on the West Indies than on any other country. They must re member that they could not apply • the same principles now, in their present complicated circumstances, that they could do if they were beginning to establisn a system of trade de novo. With the high -prices • and heavy burdens which existed in this country, it would be impossible for them to con tend with other nations without • protection. They were de priving the West Indian interest of protection, and the conse quence' was that the proprietors were abandoning their estates. If the object of the Government was to benefit the consumer, they could effect that object by adopting the proposition of the Hon. Gentleman the Member for Bristol, and at the same time leave a small profit to the West India proprietors. He rose with pain to oppose her Majesty's present Govern ment, but he thought their conduct relative to the West India interest, was cruel, unjust, and tyrannical.— (Hear, and cheers.) He had on more than one occasion voted with her Majesty's Government against his own con scientious judgment.—( Great laughter and ironical cheering. ) He repeated it, and he would tell why he did so. It was be cause on certain important national questions the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of the Government could take a wider survey of those questions than he could, and had also access to sources of information beyond his (Mr. Hampden's) reach. For these reasons he considered it more - prudent and patriotic to surrender his own opinions to the Right Hon. Gentleman's judgment.—(lronical cheers.) But there were certain ques tions upon which he could not vote with the Government—as the New Poor-law and the present question.—(Cries of " Question, question," " Sugar, sugar.") He considered British merchants more likely to come to a sound conclusion on this subject than any Minister, however large his comprehen sion. If the cheapening of sugars to the extent of a penny were so great a boon. surely this country should contribute something towards the national benefit. Lord JOHN RUSSELL was not one of those who blamed the Government for having proposed an alteration in the sugar duties. He did not think that the reasons given in favour of these proposed alterations were so, strong as those which had been urged in 1841 in favour of a similar motion, but they were nearly as strong, and of a very similar character, and, therefore, he did not blame the Government for having proposed the alteration—( ear. )—but he did think that the manner in which they had brought the proposition forward, the nature of the proposition itself, and the proposal that another alteration should be made next year, had introduced great dif ficulties into the question.—( Hear, hear.) With re- i gard to• -The question before the House to-night they had to consider the proposition of the Government, on the one hand, and the proposition of the Hon. Member for Bristol on the other. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Presi dent of the Board of Trade, following the Chancellor of the Exchequer, had shown that the great objection to the proposi tion of the Hon. Member far Bristol was the evil that must follow from the reduction of the duty not taking place before November. No doubt some evils would follow from that pro position, but they were the inevitable results of the manner in which the proposition of the Government had been brought forward. If that proposition had been similar to all former propositions of a similar nature which had been brought for ward for the reduction of duties, the reduction would have taken place at once both on foreign and colonial sugar. But the House had followed the guidance of the flight Hon Gentleman opposite, and had adopted the proposition of the Government, and made a distinction between free labour and other sugar, and the Hon. Member for Bristol. had, consequently, been obliged to frame his proposition accord ing to that decision. Having so framed it, it appeared clear that the reduction would not be less than 9s. The reduction of duty proposed by the Hon. Member for Bristol would give a reduction of Id. per lb. on sugar more, which would be a great advantage to the consumer, and on that single ground he pre ferred the proposition of the Hon. Member for Bristol to that of the Government.—(Cheers) But the Hon. Member for Manchester said that the proposition of the lion. Member for Bristol would give a greater protection to the West India interest Now, he did not think that the proposition would give any greater advantage to the West India interest than the proposi tion of the Government. He did not think that the Hon. Mena ber for Manchester was well founded in his facts. The Right Hon. Gentleman, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, had stated the subject with great fairness ; he had stated that the protec tion given by the Right Hon. Gentleman's proposition, and that given by the proposition of the Hon. Member for Bristol was equal; therefore, in point of protection, the two propositions were equal-Lthere was no superiority of protection afforded by the proposition of the Hon Member for Bristol. —( Hear, hear.) His Right Honourable Friend the Member for Taunton had stated that the sugar imported f rom Si am , Java, and M an ill a wou ld , i n general, be brown sugar, and not white clayed sugar, which was imported from Brazil and Cuba, aid the Right Hon. Gentleman the President of the Board of Trade had assented to that statement. It would be of little advantage to add anything to the authority of th e sa id state ments, but th e re t urns of te imports of sugar into the United States from Siam, as published in the newspapers, showed that the sugar from that country was chiefly brown, and not clayed sugar. It would, therefore, follow that there could be no great advantage in the way of protection in the 14s. as compared with the 10s. duty. If, therefore, only the sugars of Java, Manilla, and Siam, were admited, there would be nothing gained in the shape of protection by the adoption of the proposition of the Hon. Member for Bristol ; but if the clayed sugars of Bristol and Manilla were to come in, then, in deed, it might make a difference. On the whole, he thought the proposition of the 11(m. Member for Bristol was more ad vantageous to the consumer, and,therefore,he should support it. The great advantage gained by the proposition of the Hon. Member for Bristol was, that it would increase the consump tion. The Right Hon. Gentleman the President of the Board of Trade said it was impossible to consider this question in a large and cdmprehensive manner, because it would be necessary in that case this year to consider the question of the income tax. It would be very desirable that the House should know whether or no they meant to continue the income-tax, and he saw no just reason why they should not state it. The present proposition created great alarm among the sugar growers, and it was calculated to prevent capital from being employed—to diminish the energies neces sary to well-directed enterprise, and had already produced great disturbance in the market. He saw no reason why the whole system should not be considered and finally settled this year. He did not say that the proposition of the Hon. Member was a perfect settlement of this question, but in the difficulties in which the House was placed, he considered it preferable to the Government proposition, and should vote for it. Captain BERKELEY would support the Government pro position. Mr. MILES replied. In answer to a question of the Right Hon. Gentleman the President of the Board of Trade, he would say that he did not intend his proposition, if carried into effect, should be permanent. Captain GLADSTONE then rose, but was not at all audible in the gallery. • Mr. RICARDO rose, but was met with loud cries of " Divide, divide," and great uproar. Captain BERKELEY--4f this debate is not allowed to go on, I shall move the adjournment.—(Uproar.) Mr. RICARDO said that before he could support the amend ment of his llon. Friend he wished to know whether his Hon. Friend would be willing to give up the 45., for if he did not consent to do so the amendment., in point of fact, would be to establish a differential duty of 14s. per cwt.—( Great uproar. ) Lord HOW ICK rose amidst great uproar, and said I only rise to explain to my Hon. Friend that he is in a mistake as to the form we now are about to vote. The Hon. Gentleman has moved certain substitutions for the clause as proposed by her Majesty's Government, and the question will now be put that the words proposed to be left out stand part of the question ; and if we have a majority on the first question and negative the Government proposition, it will then be competent for any Hon. Gentleman who wishes to propose an amendment on the proposition of the Hon. Member for Bristol, to move to leave out any part of that proposition.. The question, there fore, upon which we are how to vote is not the adoption of the amendment of the Hon. Member for Bristol, but aye or no, will you, or will you not negative the plan of her Majesty's Government. A s I b e li eve t h at plan to be a bad one, I shall vote against it, but I am not pledging myself to adopt the amendment of the Hon. Hernber for Bristol without alteration or substitution. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. The Committee then divided, when the numbers were— For the original motion Against it MAJORITY AGAINST TILE GOVERNMENT ...... The announcement of the result was received with tre mendous cheering. Sir R. PEEL said - that the Dissenters' Chapel Bill was fixed for Monday next, but he thought that the resolution of this night was of so much importance that the Committee should take precedence of the other business. THE SALMON FISHERIES BILL. of the Committee, and particularly objected to the orni 3si°n of the name of Mr. Foster. After some discussion the following gentlemen (with the c 1 dition of Mr. F os t er ) were nom i nate d as t h e C om mittee •; Mr. Lyall, Mr, Gl a d s t one , Vi scount S an d on, Mr. Aaron OW man, Sir William Clay, Mr. Liddell, Mr. Bingham Bar in g . Mr. Stuart Wortley, Captain Gladstone, Mr. Hutt, Mr. Tho!i Ba Barclay ring, Mr. Ross, Mr. D enn i s t oun , M r . W awn , a nd Mr. Da" CANAL COMPANIES. On the motion of Mr. GLADSTONE, leave was given to t° bring in a Bill to em p ower cana l compan i es to var y their tolls' rates, and charges on different parts of their navigation& fr Mr. JAMES m ove d f or a return of the quantity of h° ni made sugar, from potatoes or other things, upon which an cise duty has been p a id, i n the years 1841, 184, and Prli." respectively ; together w ith th e amount of duty paid th ereon, and in what manner that duty was ascertained.—Agreed Mr. FRENCH move d f or some returns f rom the Ece le. fiastical Commissioners of Ireland.—A.reed to. CUSTOMS FRAUDS. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE QUER, the following Members were nominated a S elee Committee on E v id enco t a k en b e f ore t h e R evenu e Comm is ; sinners : —Mr. Pringle, Mr. Wallace, Mr. Trotter, Colonel Rolleston, Mr. Hume, Mr. Henley, and Mr. Tufnell. The House then adjourned at a Quarter to Two. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. (YESTERDAY.) MA IV SION-HOUSE. A case of smuggling came on which exposed an odd system of imposition. Martin M' Donald and William Debois, - the latter an Irishman, with a countenance very like that foreigner, were charged under the following circum stances. A Custom-house officer stated that as he wa: walking along the Minories, the prisoner Debois ad • dressed him in a confidential tone, and invited him into the Horse and Trumpet public-house, in the Old Jewry, to see some cigars which had been smuggled, and were to be had at a low Ol e ' He accompanied Debois, who introduced him t ° M'Donald, up stairs in th e p u bli c -h ouse , a nd there we re exhibited to hin t a qua n tity o f c i gars . and some sha wlis end handkerchief-, which the defend •nts said had been smue - gled. They also stated that they had a vessel lyieg at Blackwell, in which immense quantities of smuggled goods were stowed away, consisting of teas, brandies, 'hawk, hankerchiefs, and tobacco. A seizure of the tobacco was subsequently made, and some shawls of English manufacture were also taken by the officer ° f the revenue. Coleby A. Davis, an extremely active revenue office!' stated that, in consequence of the information which he re..eived from the first . witness, he proceeded to th ° , public-house and seized the tobacco, the defendant O A being licensed to sell the article. They w ere licens e ' hawkers, and, therefore, they were at liberty to sell the:. shawls and handkerchiefs they exhibited, which wer e English manufacture, but in ord--r to get three or four times as much as was the value of the goods, it was,!'„ e practice of such persons to pretend that the articles tin had to dispose of were contraband. Many people, Iti ld ° t the higher classes too, ope n ed their mouths the moloe they heard the word " smuggled" mentioned, in the be" lief that they would get a capital bargain by clea li j g with such adventurous persons, and they were r egular ); humbugged. When witness went to the public-house t, make the bargain he saw a highly respectable gentlemans; who lodged at the London Coffee-house, doing busine in the cigar way with 111‘Donald, and who, the m0n313 he knew that witness was about, ran off with all imag lll- able speed, 45 *Donald asked the first witness whether the sh o ' ? and handkerchiefs were shown to him as foreign goods —The witness replied that they were. M'Donald said that was quite impossible, as he eni.lici e prove .that he had purchased them on Thursday mor n % at the warehouse of a gentleman who resided near t° Mansion-house.—(Laughter.) are The LORD MAYOR—That's the very thing we a. convinced of. You purchased these for five or six sh a y lings each for the purpose of selling them for fifteen sixteen. M'Donald—But I purchased them after the witness says he saw them with me. The LORD MAYOR—You might have exhibited f°l.o sale•the exact patterns of these easily enough. I 11 ,i 3 , no doubt that you succeed extensively in the traps ,„ thus lay for the lovers of smuggling, and they certaluly are nto be itied. o f C. A ot . Davis p called forward a tailor, of the won t e he Nicholas Rosa, who produced two shawls, whi ch bat stated he had purchased of M'Donald for 21. 4s. 6d-, , which, upon being submitted to the judgment of a 5 6: keeper, were pronounced to be worth at most ss. e each. The cigar gentleman wanted him to pur ch3 :4 cigars also, but he declined, and he thought lie had V an excellent bargain in the shawls. M'Donald—My Lord, I am a regular hawker an pedlar. The LORD MAYOR—No doubt of it; and you altt,l'Et; that occupation auxiliary to this pretence, that )u smuggle- silk and other articles of the kind from Fraar,ee • But the direct charge against you is, that you ha d the' :cigars for sale without being licensed. 111. Donald—There, I confess, I have been an sggressor' but I intended to take out a license, as I can Prne: Alter all, my Lord, it is doing in a little way w ha l in g lone by high tradesmen in a great way. It is gettl"' shillings where people in Regent-street get pounds. f The LORD MAYOR—At all events we have a case o f • having cigars for sale without a license instituted agai n " you, and fine you 251. M‘Donald—l can't pay it, my Lord. lam as po or e g a ehnrals-mouse. The LORD MAYOR—Then you must go to prison for three months, to hard labour. Debois—But you don't mean anything of that kind for me, your Lordship? The LORD MAYOR—Certainly I do. You must P al the fine, or go to prison too. Debois —Why neither the tobacco nor shawlswelt mine ; I was surely not so bad as the other. j The LORD MAYOR—I can make no distinction• cannot by the Act of Parliament inflict a smaller peru at i' The defendants were then committed to prison. ar e It appears that enormous quantities of cig - ars manufactured in London from the very worst badccau and sold at a guinea or twenty-two shillings fl foreign cigars ; that hogsheads of the cut-throat stch called British brandy is sold as smuggled F rei) r, brandy, and that British gip, of very inferior qu a , by upon which the flavour of the juniper is removeaug., aniseed, is passed off upon those who encourage sm ile filers in Hollands by fellows like the defendants. j j do t above case, the ladies and gentlemen were assure be the goods they were invited to purchase had brought over, as bales of wool, in a yacht. CLERKEN WELL. • 6 0 ' William Neale was brought up for final exa.taln s t he charged with wounding Mr. Osman, landlord o' to Red Lion public-house, Cow-cross, so seriously ,e„Ge, endanger his life. The prosecutor was in attend s and seemed to be suffering the most intense angai sh ,;iglA potin The evidence went to prove, that on SundaY ; w ee last the prisoner was behaving in a disorderly 1 1 0 at the bar of the Red Lion. The landlord desired le . to leave. The prisoner refused, and became roost lent. The landlord attempted to expel him, w"l t ho, prisoner, with an oath, declared he would " hurt to r and had no sooner done so than he kicked the prose all twice in a delicate and vital part of his person wit 0. his might. The landlord fainted from excess of 1 3 _, Its One of the blood-vessels in the region of the bladd er ;01 ruptured, and profuse hemorrhage took place. since then been confined to his bed. re 0 04 , Dr. Joshua Verily, of Stamford-street, s"'°, — t ooP l when he arrived the prosecutor was suffering " (3 e t oo excruciating pain from the injury, and was for sottl,,,,her in danger. Had the blows been struck an inch P`b death Would probably have ensued The prisoner was committed for trial. William Harris, the driver of the metropolitan srior; carriage, No. 334, belonging to Mr. Hedge_, and w truck, the badge 3,341, was charged with overturning* containing 216 bottles of ginger beer, and so doo3g jog b y, the property of a poor costermonger, named g ul l ) to the amount of 14 1 ls. 10 ° It appeared, from the evidence of Mr. Cameron,t 0 0 attended on behalf of the Marquis of Anglesey, thn,cliag Saturday evening last, the Marquis's carriage was,..„ ( t r i ' t ne o down Holborn, towards the 131ftekwall railway• " we re and the Marquis were in the carriage. The cbed driving at a very slow pace, and when they bad de fen d' Fulwood's-rents, where the street is narrow, the u,,c ant, in attempting to . drive his omnibus befo re forc ed riage, pressed upon the wheel of the latter, an„ . ( ! ecto d• it against the truck, whereby the damage was eu ovio g Other evidence, confirmatory of the above, l i ly , t he been tendered, the defendant was obliged to F 1 amount of the damage and the costs. atBIRTHS.so Southampton-street, ham On the 11th inst., i vim' Mrs. R. G. Hennell, of a son. e vdscilr' Onl2th • the inst., at Cadogan- lace, the lady "` — te ,s. pton-strect , 13 ' °-- 1 M‘'Malion, Esq., of a son who survived but a few miou' o rt. On the 12th inst at Camberwell , Mrs. G . Biller, 0f a grS' y On the 12 1 ' t i inst., in South-street, Grosvenor-s 4 1. W. Capron, of a daughter. ,i of J °llll On , ~ tht, 12th inst., at Coekspur-street, the la-y , Eisenberg, Esq., of a son. tersb ire ' On the 12th inst.. at Fretherne Rectory, Glouces the lady of the Rev. W. L. Darell, M.A., of a daugliterA Oa r the lady u On the 13th inst., at Surrey P ' ' aitonat,e, of Rev • On them • . Jaes Sherman, of a daghter. 12th inst., at Carlton u Villas, Maida-vale, the la d y - .1 , A. Mendes, Esq , of a daughter. 31P. On the 12th inst in King-street, C -ento-arden• ~ C. Stevens, of a son. -------- HA RRIED. . r ig On the 11th inst., at Ockly, the Rev. William Coto li . e M.A., to Charlotte Havdon ) ; ' daughter of John Sinallpiec , Esq., of Leith Hill-place, near Dorking, Surrey. 1% 1100 5 On the 12th inst., at St. John's, Wa png, Willi am - Aida , Phillips, Esq., of Trosnant Lodge,P-Polltypool, to -,---- 1 daughter of the late W. Maud, Esq lliairo, On the 13th inst., at Surrey Chap . el, Mr. Walter Wl f gr. of Nelson-square, to Harriet Eliza, youngest daughter ot J. Newsom, of High-street, Southwark. ------- --- DIED. s ou th On the 20th of January. at Bronti. Bung,onia, Se".:„. Wales, Mary Anne, the wife of W. F. Baker, Esq., 11 . 1 ',Lr r ..1. On the 26th ult., at Dover, Mrs. A. C. Lea, relict oi 0-` ' tear, late of Milton, Gravesend. t— of R. O u n o p tl e ) r e , 3 E d sq i I.,at Roscommon,l,'rankoirrti:loatitte- Main, A 67. On the Sth inFt., at Greenwich, Mr. I. Piper, Age— On the 9th inst., at Brompton, A. J. Jellicoe, Esq. on of On the 11th inst., William Tennant Harrison, eldest s R. Harrison, Esq., of Doughtr:street. ,inner , On the 11th inst., Bridget, the wife of Mr. Daniel Si+. of Sebbon's-buildings, Islington. 66. Eliza, 'olio aged „ ( i s s On the 12th inst., at Clapton, Mr. W. Wilson , On the 12th inst., at Prospect-place, Edgeware-road, I' j Mary Cook, aged 81. On the I3th inst., at Uexley , Em ma, youn gest dau ghter of Mr. Firmin, of the Strand, London. • 221 241 The House having resumed, The Salmon Fisheries (Scotland) Bill, alter a brief csn versation between Mr. Warburton, Mr. ,Drummond, and the Lord Advocate, passed through Committee; COMMERCIAL MARINE COMMITTEE. Mr. HAWES, in resuming the discussion on the nomina tion of this Committee, complained of the partial complexion Loridon: Printed and Published by MURDO AOL .- 112, No. 112, Strnud, Printer, at The Sun Offee, ,•`° I . :YeanlY t Strand, in the Precinct of the Savo y , in the aiddlodes, Saturday, June 15, 1844. DI E kir h Otwte 4 41 'ine l N tSth eq t rti ehlis e ftltB mew test , t ti .l., ~..,..