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tab Erb 'ambition SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. ENDOWMENT OF MAYNOOTH. (THIS DAY.) PUBLIC MEETING AT THE LONDON TAVERN. Mr. LABOUCHERE (in continuation from our After noon Edition) said—Why were they called on to give their money towards such an institution ? On political grounds he might oppose it. He might clearly show that, instead of conciliating the Roman Catholic popula tion, the efforts of the Government had, on the contrary, conduced to greater hostility. He might show that the Catholics themselves were neither desirous nor under the necessity of asking for such a grant. But he argued against this grant neither on political nor on any secular grounds ; but he did argue against it because he con ceived that the Church of Rome was imbued with despe rate and fatal errors, and he could not assent to a grant to Maynooth, because it was helping to propagate such errors. He then moved " That this meeting regards with the deepest repugnance and apprehension - the pro position just submitted to Parliament by her Majesty's Ministers, for the permanent endowment of the Romish College of Maynooth, considering that measure to in volve a distinct renunciation of the national Protestantism to which it would humbly ascribe that Divine blessing, which has raised Great Britain to its present elevation of power, and wealth, and prosperity." Mr. 1). GoULD said that he would not have presented himself before them, if he had thought that discussion or argument was at all necessary in order to oppose a grant like that to Maynooth, in the most Protestant city of the most Protestant country in the world, and he, therefore, seconded the resolution, which was carried with some opposition. Mr. J. J. CUMMINGS, in moving the second resolution, said he did not feel himself justified in taking the same ground as Mr. Gould, on a question which he regretted had met with so much favour in Parliament ; because he thought that, in giving his suppoi t to a resolution such as that which ha held in his hand, he was bound to state the reasons which had influenced his own mind ; and he would not have taken part in the proceedings of this meeting, if he had net been impelled to do so by conscientious motives. They had been discussing points in which debatable positions were introduced. But they had now come to a point in which it was not toleration, but participation which they were called upon to take in what they all conceived to be a sin against God. The Roman Catholic had been admitted to a full and fair participation in all civil rights ; but to cross the line, and themselves voluntarily to support that which they were well aware was in itself nothing less than idolatry-- The LORD MAYOR interrupted the speaker by remind ing him that it was a contract. Mr. CUMMINGS said his Hon. Friend had reminded him that it was a contract, and the very name of a con tract reminded him of that which would carry with it the principles of every high and right-minded merchant. Bsse in this instance they were called upon to bind tßamselves hand and foot to—not the support of May nooth alone—but also for the endowment of the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland. They knew no thing of such a principle of expediency as this. The attempt to conciliate the Roman Catholic people of Ire land was a vain and a fruitless effort. There was an e xpediency that was allowable, but that expediency was limited by the word of God, and they were now called upon to give their adhesion to a principle which transferred the honour due to God alone to a faith which gave that honour to graven images. They were all aware that the prosperity of the nation depended, not on their merchants, their commerce, and their manufactures, but upon the fiat of God alone—and if God did but for one moment frown upon them the whole of the prosperity of the country would vanish in a moment. Having thus ex pressed his views he moved--" That this meeting, contemplating the measure in the light in which it is viewed by leading statesmen on both sides of the House of Commons—as the first step to the establishment of the Romish priesthood in Ireland—is o f o pinion, that before attempting the introduction of so great a change in the national policy, there ought to have been offered, on the part of its promoters, some distinct explanation'of the course intended to be pursued on the great question of religious endowments. And, without implying or admitting that such a question ought to be entertained at all, this meeting considers that those who have propounded the present measure should at least explain whether their object is to establish two religions in Ireland, or three, or what number." Mr. A3IBROSE AlooßE said that no one could doubt the splendid abilities with which the Premier had been endowed, but as he had not stated what was his particular object in proposing this endowment, it was was plainly clear that the people of England had a right to require them. This measurse was not opposed by any one or two sections of the com munity, and he conceived that the combination of parties by which it was opposed was the happiest union of parties which he had ever witnessed. He thought that if they looked at the Bible Society, and the other religious so cieties, who collected hundreds of thousands of pounds for specific objects, they would hardly think that it was either fair or just that this money should be taken out of their pockets for a purpose to which upon every principle they were opposed. He then quoted a passage from the last pamphlet of the late Sidney Smith, to show what he conceived to be the misconduct of the Roman Catholic priesthood in the administrations of the sacraments of their church. With respect to the only principle contained in the Premier's speech—namely, that Ireland should be governed through the agency of the Romish clergy—on this ground alone be would have opposed it, for he was of opinion also that Mr. AP - Neill was right when he asserted that the less temporal power the better, and much as he respected the clergy of the Church of England, he would rather they were without any power at all than that they should possess the power with which the Romish priests were now to be endowed. He thought that the policy of this grant was the very worst that could possibly have been pursued, and thus thinking, be seconded the resolution. Mr. DANIEL WHITTLE HARVEY said that when he recollected that brilliant eloquence which had been used both in favour and in opposition to this grant. he regretted that he had not had more time to brush up old recollections than that which was allowed from the time he entered the room. He was no advocate of intolerance ; he had never drank at the fountains of sectarian bitterness ; and it was not because he was no friend of the Church of England, and still less a friend of the Church of Rome, but because he thought that religion was too sacred and unearthly to be at all upheld by State endowments that he opposed it. If the principles which he had heard propounded to-day were to be carried into effect, the Church of England ought to send into Ireland an army of clerical crusaders to e rotestantise Ireland.—(The speaker was here inter rupted by great clamour and confusion.) The LORD MAYOR interposed, and stated that if he were not allowed to keep order, he must quit the chair ; but he must remind his friend (Mr. Harvey) that this meeting was called for a single purpose. Mr. 11ARVEY readily recognised the rule which the Lord Mayor laid clown, and he conceived that every speaker was bound to state his own reasons for opposing the grant to Maynooth.— (The speaker was again interrupted by great claracur.) He was opposed to the grant on two grounds. First, that the grant was uncalled for ; and secondly, that if made, it ought not to be made out of the taxes. In his opinion, if this grant was mad e, it must ultimately become a rule of State, and on this ground he was en tirely opposed to it. It was an objec tion to this ste p , that - if they were to have an Established Church at all, they must have the Catholic Church, for it was for them to say whether it was right that there should be a people fur a church, or a church for a people. But it should be recollected that there was a nume rous and highly respectable body of people, who would put iii the same claim, and he would ask them whether they were ready to concede an endowment to every dissenting sect in the country? If not, they must refuse this grant. He knew that many people liked to steer their course by their political leader, and he was sure that Sir Robert Peel's followers would be grateful to him for reading a few lines from a speech of that Right lion. Baronet himself. It should be recollected that about ten years ago the Whigs, in order to turn out the friends of Sir R. Peel, brought in what was called the celebrated —now it was called the notorious—Registration He then read part of a speech made by Sir R. Peel after his exclusion from office, to the effect that the Whigs, if powerful in the House, were powerless without it, and that there was a public opinion superior to all majorities, and which must ever hereafter become an element of every Government of this country. In compliance with the suggestion, he came there not to oppose the Government of Sir R. Peel, but to assert the power of that Opinion, and to coalesce with them in opposing whatever might be an imposition on liberties or a plunder of their pockets, and with this feeling he should most cordially move " That this meet ing feels entitled to complain of the unprecedented at tempt now making, by a coalitio n o f the two Parliament, par ties in tire Legislature , to force through w i t h unusual haste, a measure, includin g public money, in spite of the deep repugnance co man ifested by all classes, degrees, and stFongly denominations of the British peopl e ." a grant rla o m f e e n e t e' Mr. WnEELTort moved the adoption of a petition to Parliaislent to the effect that the grant to Maynooth was the first step to the endowment of the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland, and that some explanation of the extent of the intention to establish one or two, or more religions in Ireland, was necessary. Air. RIDLEY seconded the resolution, and the petition was adopted. rl he Rev. Dr. BUNTING then rose to propose the next reF.-oi:ltion—" That the sincere and grateful thanks of this Ineettiw, be given to the Right Hon. the Lord Mayor, for his kindness in calling the meeting, and for the ability and tootles}}' w ith which he has presided ly over it." I e considered that his Lordship was entitled to their thanks for prompt3y calling such a meeting, and of giving the citizens of Loeidon an oppor tunity of declaring their sentiusents on this important ques tion. lie saw no reason why the Protestants of this couutry should support the Roman Catholic religion and Roman Catholic establishments in Ireland ; hut at the same time be thought that their Roman Catholic brethren in that country ought not to be subject to any civil disabilities cn aceunt of the religion which they professed. But becaOse he was of this opinion, was he to be asked to liar and distinctive tort her and LI Int" 1411 t heir pecu doctrines ? Could !WV git ilobert Peel have adopt ed some measure in &yogi' of the Boman Catholics without placing a tax on Proiergtents to effect to it 2—(Hear.) Had a measure !veil propso to conciliate the people of Ireland, 77{thOut entailing upon the people of this country the expense of supporting it, he thought they would have given it their hearty support. But it was a monstrous principle to tax the people of this country by a property-tax —for, in fact, it would have to come out of this tax—to support doctrines and establishments to which they were so strongly opposed.—(Cheers.) Conciliate Ireland. Let them do what they could to allay religious animosities, but do not let them effect it by the sacrifice of religious principles. Religious peace was a great object to attain, but to maintain religious principle was a greater object still.—(Hear, hear.) THOMAS FARMER, Esq., seconded the motion. He considered himself honoured by having been called upon to support it, and perfectly concurred in the sen timents of the Rev. Gentleman who had last spoken, and in those of the gentlemen who had addressed the meeting. The motion was then put by Mr. WIRE, and was car ried by acclamation. The LORD MAYOR then rose and said it was a source of great satisfaction to him, in the discharge of what he considered his public duty, to receive so unanimous a testimony of appreciation as to the manner in which he had conducted the meeting. His Lordship resumed his seat amidst general cheering. Mr. WIRE called upon the meeting to sign the pe titions which were lying in the tavern for signature, and to use their exertions to induce their friends and others to agitate the question which had been mooted. The Lord Mayor then left the chair, and the meeting separated. SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS FROM THE EVENING PAPERS OF THIS DAI. GLOBE.—It was already known that John Tawell, the murderer of Sarah Hart, had, a few hours before his execu tion, placed in the hands of the Rev. Mr. Cox, the chaplain to the county gaol, a written confession of his guilt. The contents of that document the rev. gentleman declined to make known. It was, in his opinion, a confidential communication ; entrusted to him in his official character as a clergyman ; and therefore sealed from the knowledge of any other individual. But for the criminal's verbal admission to the governor, after he had delivered the written statement to the chaplain, the public would have been ignorant of any confession f his guilt. The extravagant hypotheses of his counsel on his trial, and the equally preposterous assumptions put forth by certain catch-penny pretenders to. science after his conviction, who endeavoured to impugn the medical testimony by which his guilt was esta blished, would have been gathered up and expatiated upon by the ignorant and credulous. The danger of con victing on circumstantial evidence would have been dwelt upon ; and John Tawell would have been chronicled as another martyr to its defectiveness of proof. The county magistrates of Backs, at their Quarter Sessions held on Thursday, very properly took up the subject of the chaplain's retention of John Tawell's written confession. It was preposed by Mr. T. R. Barker, and, after some discussion, almost unani mously agreed to, that the chaplain be sent for, and asked, " whether any, and if any, what confession was made by John Tawell, and under what circumstances it was made ?" Lord Nugent was among the few dissentients. His Lordship al leged that that "the confession made to Mr. Cox might have been under a solemn promise, or dying wish, that it might not be made public." His Lordship's objection was supported by the Rev. J. Harrison, who contended that " Mr. Cox stood before them as a clergyman of the Church of Eng land, and the fact of being their chaplain would not alter his position. He thought no questions should be put to Mr. Cox relating to a matter of so strictly a confidential nature." We have stated the grounds on which those magistrates who objected to the question being put to the chaplain rested their objections, because they were actually those on which Mr. Cox, when called in, rested his respectful refusal to answer the inquiry. We are not about to argue this important question on gene ral grounds ; nor to enter into the obviously difficult inquiry, whether a confession of guilt made by an accused party, before trial, to a clergyman of the Church of England, ought to be used as evidence against him. The caae of a convicted party about to pay the penalty of his life for a crime which he had pertinaciously and circumstantially denied, rests upon other grounds. The question is brought within very narrow limits. It is simply, whether the con solations of religion and the hopes of forgiveness from the Divine Being can be consistently held forth by a Protestant clergyman to a man on the threshold of the scaffold who declines to make an unreserved and unconditional confession of his crime as the only repara tion he can make to society, while he is willing to make a confidential and conditional confession to the chap lain, if that officer will keep it to himself? That is the question in issue : and to that question we give a decided negative. The affirmative would be to cherish de lusive hopes in a wretched man about to pass into eternity ; and would be of dangerous influence on the public interests. By concealing the confessions of guilt made to a clergyman, at the last moment,by criminals who have strenuously denied their guilt of the offence of which they were convicted, the juries who convicted them areleft under apprehension that they might be mistaken in their verdict. The impression produced by the facts, or the circumstances on which they arrived at the conclusion, though strong as proofs from holy writ when in the jury -box, becomes weakened by the opera tion of time; and the fear of having doomed a fellow creature to the scaffold on inconclusive evidence, haunts the imagination, and destroys the peace of conscientious but highly sensitive minds through future life. All this agony of doubt in such minds would be spared, were the confessions of guilt made by criminals to chaplains only to be made public by them immediately after the law has received its penalty. We contend that a clergy man ought not to become the depository of a conditional con fession. His intercourse with the prisoner is in the character of a religious instructor. His office is to make known to the wretched criminal the Gospel terms on which he may obiain forgiveness and reconciliation with the Most High. If in the recesses of his guilty soul the convict cherish hopes of escape from the death to which he is doomed by " cloaking" his offence especially if he secretly admit his guilt to the minister of religion, while he adheres to the denial he has put forth to the world—then, in such a case, it becomes the imperative duty of the clergymen to show him the fallacy of resting in such a confession, destitute as it is of the elements of contri tion, and to publish his confession so soon as the wretched a n d deluded man has passed into the unseen state. For a Protestant clergyman to lock up in his escrutoire such a document as that which it is admitted Tawell placed in the Rev. Mr. Cox's hands, is, in our view, alike ineonsistent with his duty to the Church and to society. It assumes some mysterious efficacy in auricular confession, which the Pro testant Church repudiates. " If," said the memorable John Hales, " a man be stung by an adder, will he obtain healing by whispering his misfortune into the ear of an ass ? Equally absurd is it to suppose that secret con fession of sin to a priest, who is but a man, can avail to ob tain deliverance from the punishment which God has de nounced against it. STANDARD.—Sir Robert Peel has not said that he will retire from office, if defeated upon the question new before the House of Commons. Probably the Right Hon. Baronet feels that such a declaration on his part might be construed as disrespectful to his usual supporters, if not to the House ; but though the Premier may observe a respecful silence upon the point, there than be no doubt that if defeated he must resign. His own resolution of 1841—that a Ministry unable to carry through Parliament measures which it con siders important to the public interest is unworthy of the confidence of the Crown and the country— would stare him in the face after such a defeat as we suppose. And nobody acquainted with the character of the premier, can doubt that he has made up his mind to act in the spirit of his own resolution. Upon the result of the debate now in progress will, therefore, we may be very sure, depend the fate of the ministry; and every man who shall vote against the ministerial bill will, in effect, vote for the dismissal of the Cabinet of September, 1841. We are very far from saying that, in a very clear case of moral or religious duty, a man ought to allow the fate of a Ministry to influence his vote: But we hold, and we think no reasonable man will dispute the proposition, that every one who meditates a step tending to produce a violent, and what may be a mischievous, change is bound to satisfy his conscience that the moral or religious duty which he thinks himself bound to discharge, is clear and certain. Let us add, that con science in this respect is not to be properly satisfied by the echoes of public meetings, or the mechanical mul tiplication of petitions, but by the appeal to each man's own reason and judgment. The award upon such an appeal, fairly and calmly made, cannot, in our judgment, be doubtful. The Bill be fore Parliament does not introduce any new principle, this is I certain. It does not go to increase the number of the Ro man Catholic clergy. On the other hand, it for the first time limits the number of these clergymen to be educated at the public expense. It does not go to augment the influence of the Roman Catholic clergy—that is impossible, except by, if possible, making both clergy and laity more ignorant than they are. We do not hesitate to say, that the present influence of the Roman Catholic clergy is at the maximum, and that a more learned and polite clergy would possess much less influence—that Angelo Alai or Doctor Wiseman, for example, would have no chance whatever in competition for influence with Father Tierney or Father Tom Maguire. The State finds the Roman Catholic clergy, such as they are, in possession of unbounded and unincreasable (if we may use the would) influence, and the Government purposes to soften the exercise of that influence, by means which we think (whether we are right or wrong is no matter) must weaken its founda tions—which certainly cannot strengthen them. Is the obligation of moral or religious duty to resist this measure so very clear, that men are bound to incur a very serious risk in its discharge? IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Their Lordships met at Five o'clock. Several Bills, amongst which was one for affording better protection to works of art, were brought up from the Commons. MAYNOOTH. The Marquia of ANGLESEY presented several pe titions against any further grant to Maynooth. The Bishop of LONDON presented several petitions, from different parts of the country, against the sale of spirituous liquors on the Lord's day. The Right Rev. Prelate also presented petitions against any further grant to Maynooth, and against the Irish Education Bill. Lord BROUGHAM presented a number of petitions against any further grant to Maynooth. The Noble Lord did not agree with the prayer of the petitioners. Lord ARIJNDELL presented several petitions to the like effect, and also disclaimed any participation in the prayer of the petitioners. ENTAILED ESTATES. Lord REDESDALE gave notice, on behalf of the Poke of Richmond, who was unavoidably absent, that on Thursday next hia Noble Friend would move for a Select Committee to inquire into the expediency of pass ing a legislative enactment to empower the holders of entailed estates to raise money upon them for the Furpo:e of effecting permanent improvements on the land. The Marquis of BREADALBANE presented peti tions from several towns and congregations in Scotland against the grant to Maynooth. Th;,3l3ishop of Llandaff also presented petitions against the grant to Maynooth ; as did the Marquis of Nor manby and Lord Monteagle ; the last stating his difference with the petitioners, and declaring that he grant had been so long withh e ld, an d that rehteshteuald the give tha grant his most hearty support. LUNATIC ASYLUMS IN SCOTLAND. Lord MONTEAGLE presented a petition from the Commissioners of the county of Fife, which com plained that there was po provision for the care of criminal lunatics, and stated that there were no means provided for their ree(Yiery. One criminal was, from want of any other place of coanemeni, plfteed iii a solitary eew Jie was a monomaniac, and on all other subjects, except that on which he was deranged, he was a most intelligent man. The Commissioners had done their utmost to provide him with some other place of confinement, but their efforts were ineffectual, and he thought the Government should take the subject up. Lord WHARNCLIFFE regretted that there was no provision. Until the 39th Geo. 111. there was no enact ment on the subject ; but that was insufficient ; and he promised that the subject should receive the best atten tion of the Government ; and in the meantime they would make every inquiry so as to provide a remedy. RAILWAYS. Lord BROUGHAM gave notice that he should to morrow move for the adoption of certain standing orders respecting railways, mad that he should found a motion on the subject for a future period. The Bishop of St. DAVIDS presented a petition against any further grant to Maynooth. The Right Rev. Prelate wholly dissented from the prayer of the petitioners, although he agreed the object of the peti tioners might be good. The Bishop of HEREFORD presented petitions from Ludlow and other places against the grant to May nooth. The Marquis CAMDEN presented a similar petition, but could not concur with its prayer. Lord DENMAN presented similar petitions. The Earl of ST. GERMANS also presented several petitions, but disagreed with the prayer of the petitioners. IRISH RAILWAYS. The Marquis of CLAN RICARDE wished to ask the Noble Eord opposite the President of the Railway Department of the Board of Trade a question of considerable importance relating to the projected railways in Ireland. He wished to ask whether the line recommended by the Board of Trade was the best possible one which could be marked out, or whether it was only the best of two or three which might have been submitted to them? He was induced to ask that question by the terms of a report which was laid on their Lordships' table on the 3d of April, and which referred to the lines pro jected in the particular part of Ireland with which he was connected. Without entering into a discussion of the merits (of the two lines reported on, but he might state that neither of these two lines was the best which could be contemplated. In dealing with railways in Ireland, Government was placed in a very different position than when they were legislating upon railways in England. He thought in Ireland Government might more directly interfere in procuring for the public the best line which could be suggested, and not confine themselves to any two or three which a number of private individuals might mark out. He wished to ask a second question, namely, as to how far the Board of Trade in examining the various schemes which camebefure them inquired whether the promoters which came before them had conformed with the provisions of the Registration Act, so as to enable the promoters or shareholders to call themselves a company. The regulations of the Registration Act were certainly very stringent, and the Board of Trade or Parliament agreed with him they ought to be altered. Until, however, that alterations were made, theprovisions of the Act ought, in his opinion, to be strictly complied with. He should move for a paper stating the names of all pers. ns who were really and truly connected with the several schemes; and he thought that the public ought not to be misled by the imposition of certain names on the lists, which might give a false colour to the concern to which they were attached. He had lately seen the names of certain Noble Friends of his attached to schemes with which they had nothing to do, and he thought that this ought to be obviated. The Earl of DALHOUSIE said that before he re plied to the question of the Noble Lord, he would beg to make mention of the circumstance to which the Noble Marquis had alluded. The fact that reports of the Board of Trade appeared in the newspapers before they were placed on the table of their Lordships arose from their having been placed on the table of the Commons, and the consequent report of them through the press before they were submitted to the House of Lords. With respect to the second question, whether due deliberation had been used in carrying their decisions, and especially with respect to Irish railways, he would say that he was aware that the Acts of last session was very stringent, but with the effect to the compliance with the standing orders the Bo - se of Commons were alone to judge. The business of the Board of Trade was simply to report on tqe merits of the sceme, but with respect to the registration the Board had nothing to do.—(Hear.) He conceived that the Board for enforcing the Registration Act had not been negligent of their duty. They had in several instances issued notices to all parts of the country to warn shareholders of the risk they ran. As to the Stock Exchange their Lordships were aware that the proceedings of that place were kept quite secret, and though it was notorious that many of the transactions of that place were notoriously at variance with the law, but it was quite impossible to punish the parties to those transactions. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE thought that the terms of the Act were much less difficult than the Noble Earl imagined. The Noble Marquis then read the clause which obliges a deposit upon shares before they were transferred, and he thought that the projectors, who precisely adopted the line recommended by the Railway Commissioners, and he thought the Govern ment ought to be very particular in recommending lines for the adoption of the public. The Earl of DALHOUSIE said, that with regard to to the clause for the registration of shares, he took leave to say that every care had been taken, and if it had not been taken it was no part of the duties of the Board of Trade to interfere with such registration, and further he thought that every care had been taken to avoid any thing like disregard of public interest. GLASS DUTIES BILL—CUSTOMS EXPORT BILL—MUTINY BILL. On the motion of Lord WHARNCLIFFE, these Bills were read a seeond time. rLEFT SITTING.] HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. NEW WRIT. Mr. S. YOUNG moved for a new writ for the elec tion of a Member to serve in the present Parliament for West Kent, in the room of Lord Marsham, now Earl of Romsey, who has been removed to the House of Peers by the death of his father. The Aberdeen Railway Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. The Hartlepool Pier and Port Bill, and the Yar mouth and Norwich Railway Bill, were also read a second time and ordered to be committed. Petitions were then presented against the Yarmouth and Norwich Railway Bill. SHEFFIELD AND TINSLEY CANAL. On the motion of Mr. B. DENISON, this Bill was read a second time. The Chelsea Improvements Bill was read a second time. CHELTENHAM AND GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY. Mr. BERKELEY presented a petition from Thomas Watts, surgeon, of Cheltenham, against the Cheltenham and Great Western Railway Bill, and the petitioner prayed to be heard by counsel against it.—Referred to the Committee on Standing Orders. BOARD OF TRADE•—RAILWAY DEPARTMENT Mr. T. DUNCOMBE begged to postpone his motion• relative to the Railway Department of the Board of Trade until Thursday next. On the motion of Mr. W. PATTEN, the North Union and Ribble Navigation Branch Railway was read a second time. Mr. BARRY BALDWIN presented a petition against the Wolverhampton Watery% °His. TM; MIDLAND RAILWAYS. Sir JOHN YARDE BULLER brought up the report of the Committee on this Bill, declaring that the standing orders had not been complied with, a clause having been introduced into the Bill without any previous notice being given to the parties interested of its nature or import. Lord O. SOMERSET thought the report showed a gross violation of the standing orders, but the House would observe that the Committee did not state the circumstances under which the resolution was made. He was, therefore, strongly impressed with the belief that some further inquiry ought to be instituted, n)t with a view of inquiring further into the fact of the irregularity, but to ascertain the circumstance under w hich it had been fallen into. He had been privately informed that the agt nt was cogni sant of the introduction of this clause, and therefore the agent had been guilty of a serious error. He moved that the clause be referred back to the Committee, with power to inquire and report specially to the House by whom, and under what circumstances, the standing orders had been violated. Sir J. Y. BULLER said the reason why they did not report how this clause got into the Bill, was because the majority of the Committee thought it was only their pro vince to ascertain if thepromoters of theßillbad complied or notwith the standing orders. He agreed with the Noble Lord, that the matter had better be referred back to the Sub-Committee, giving them leave to report specially to the House. He thought also that, in referring the case back to the Committee, it should be an instruction that the evidence given erroneously by Mr. Burke should be written out for the consideration of the Committee. Mr. LABOUCHERE said it vt as quite clear a most gross, flagrant, and dangerous breach of propriety had been committed on the part of the agent for this case, and it was equally necessary that the circumstance under which that breach of propriety was made ought to be inquired into. He, therefore, thought the House would do well to adopt the course recommended by the Nob!e Lord. _ _ The clause was then ordered to be re-committed. SECOND READINGS. The Taw Vale and Dock Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. The Forth and Clyde Navigation and Canal Junction Bill (No. 2) was read a second time, and ordered to be committed. The Bungerford and Lambeth Suspension Foot Bridge Bill was also read a second time, and ordered to be committed. The Southport and Buxton Junction Railway Bill was passed through the same stage. The report upon the Forth and Clyde Navigation Bill was further considered and received. LAW OF SEITLEMENT. _ . . Colonel WvrimAm and Mr. GORE presented petitions against the new Law of Settlement Bill, but we were unable to catch the designations of the petitions. GRANT TO MAYNOOTII. Mr. HOWARD presented a petition from Carlisle, against the proposed grant to Maynooth College ; the petitioners qepressing, at the same time, their opinion in tavour of a grant for the purpose of uniting the Irish colleges into one university, and throwing the university open to all denominations. The Hon. Member said that although he did n o t concur in the prayer of the petition, yet he had not objected to present it, because it was not characterised by bigotry. He was proceeding to speak further on the petition, when he was called to order by the 4ealier. THE SUN, LONDON, MONDAY EVENING, APRIL 14, 1845. THE UNIVERSITIES OF OXFORD AND CAMBRIDGE. Two questions were involved in Mr. Christie's motion respecting the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge on Thursday evening; one was their system as to those whom they admit within their pale, the other their system as to those whom they exclude. Both have been negatived for a time ; but a warning has been repeated. It now amounts to an historical fact that the Reform Bill was hastened by the high-handed refusal of those in power to rectify " some few proved abuses ; in the same way the Universities may be assured that if they do not exert themselves to correct what is amiss within their walls, they will by-and-by be reformed with a vengeance from without. The wider question of the admission to Oxford and Cambridge degrees of Catholics and Dissenters we do not enter upon at present ; we propose only to notice some points of discipline and rules of practice, which, as real well-wishers of the two sister Universities, we should desire to see amended. We are not here speaking of such matters as caps and hats, or stuff and silk gowns ; indeed, we do not object to a reasonable deference to rank at college, since rank is a thing that will be, and ought to be, deterred to in after-life. We are alluding to essentials—to such vital matters as the course of study and the pecuniary outlay of students. And first, with respect to the course of study; we find from the returns of the various Professors, and more particularly from the statement of Dr. Daubeny, that of late years the attendance upon public lec tures has so fallen off and declined that it is now almost entirely discontinued. Twenty or thirty is the maximum of an audience, while some of the professors are without so much as the humorous Dean's " dearly beloved Jonathan," and are reduced to empty walls, silence, and sinecure. All the instruction now supplied is furnished by the private or the College tutor. The effect of this is to alter the nature of the Universities, and to degrade it—to make them mere clusters of contiguous schools, instead of being what they were designed to be—comprehensive and harmonious machines on a grand scale, for giving to the minds, sent up to them in stares of greater or less preparation, the last polish and perfection. Under the tutorial, as distinguished from the professional, regime— under the College as distinguished from the University education—what does a student gain more than he did at a public sell°. 1 ? Does he, except so far as ht• himself brings maturer faculties, gain so much instruction ? At school, after Darning his lesson, he rehearses it to his tutor, and was examined in it daily in public by the master. At the University he has two examinations in four years 1 We are well aware that eminent men issue from our Universities ; but they take much of their learning with them to those seats of the Muses, and they would bring yet more away if the system were improved and enlarged. With respect to the expense, we are well aware of the difficulty of sumptuary laws, and of the ease with which restrictions on the purse, or rather on credit, are evaded ; but sure we are that with the large authority of proctors, tutors, and heads of houses, much more might be done to prevent the years of a university career, which ought to be happy and useful, from being the source of ruin and misery for life. Thoughtless as young men too often are, there yet are ways of deal ing with them that might be tried with much success ; to reasonable restraint might be added friendly remon strance, an appeal to parents, an appeal to their own feelings and better judgment. The hundreds which are wasted in riot, have often been raised for the young academic by the denial of comforts at home • to re mind him of this, to point out to hi m how valuable to himself at some not distant day, how productive of much more real enjoyment, what he is throwing away would be, might be tried oftener than it is, and with much success. Our pages have frequently recorded trials where young men have been sued, by those who smiled and trusted, for articles which no jury could construe into necessaries—for items lavished by an extravagance that would be ludicrous if it were not melancholy. This evil might be easily redressed : it might be provided that no tradesman residing in or within a certain dis tance of Oxford or Cambridge should be entitled to sue for, and recover from, any undergraduate any debt of above one year's standing, or of above 5/. or 101. in amount, except there were a previous written order from the tutor of the undergraduate's college, without any inquiry in Court whether the goods were necessaries or not. At present a very largo majority of the students of our two leading Universities are sent to them to be prepared for admission into the Cnurch ; and of these a majority again are persons in such circumstances that 3001. or 400/. a year for four years are sums which they cannot very well afford. Still less can they afford to acquire habits of extravagance—habits which they must unlearn afterwards by a painful process. The legitimate expenses of a college career need and ought not to be heavy, even if the colleges had not Veen amply endowed. In a German University a moderate yearly payment to the tutor, the fees to the various professors, and the cost of board, are covered by a com paratively small sum. In the English Universities the tutors have their college endowments, the professors enjoy the ample liberality of the founders, the colleges have space for students: why should there be a ruinous expense? Surely, with their ample means, their enor mous revenues, o ur U n i vers i t i es m i g ht afford to supply all educational wants at the lowest charge. Why should an institution by far the wealthiest not produce the most liberal programme of instruction? We do not under value classical learning; but we contend that for modern times it is not sufficient for a man to know Latin and Greek alone. Of modern languages at the present Jay a gentleman is expected not to be utterly ignorant; but these are things which Oxford and Cambridge do not profess to teach, which, in limiting their honours and degrees to other acquirements, they virtually exclude.— Times, NAVAL INTELLIGENCE. TrrT , C.:;7:7, , T,". 1'71)77, 7.7": C'7:11777 TM: - be:ti f, , rtro, salty house, Sheerness, on view of the body of Vice-Au miral Sir J. C. White, Commander in Chief at the Nore, who died very suddenly on Friday last. From the evidence of the secretary it appeared that the deceased ad miral had been complaining for several days previous, but not to excite any apprehensions of a fatal termination. On Thursday last he bad so far recovered as to be able to have a party at dinner with him. On Friday fore noon, about eleven o'cleck, he was seized with a return of the pain in h:s chest while putting his signature to official papers brought into his room by the secretary, aid expired in a few moments. Dr. Miller, the surgeon of the flag ship, attributed his death to an affection of the heart, ar.d the jury immediately returned a verdict " That the gallant officer had died from a disease of the heart." The Trafalgar, 120, Captain Murtin, is painte d black, and all the ships in commission and in ordinary have their colours half-mast high. DEATH OF ANOTHER FLAG OFFICER.—Admiral of the Blue Henry Raper, Esq., of South Audley-street, Gros- , venor- quare, and of Inner, Bucks, has departed this life , in the 78th year of his age. Although p'ain Admiral Ra per, the deceased was a most gallant officer, and served with great distinction, but his services must have been too an cient to be remembered in the more recent distribution of honours and additions to a name. Admiral Paper was second on the list of Admirals of the Blue. The precise date of his entry into the navy is not known, but he was midshipman of the Cambridge at the relief of Gib raltar, and was wounded in the actions off the Dogger Bank, in 1781. He was made a Lieutenant on the 22d November, 1790, and was Flag-Lieutenant of the Queen Charlotte on the glorious Ist of June. He ob tained his promotion to a Commander for that service on the 4th of July, and was made a Post-Captain on the Ist of February, 1796. He commanded the Champion in the unfortunate expedition to Os tend, in 1798. He afterwards commanded L'Aimable, and in that ship, in 1799, gallantly engaged the French frigate Syrene and the Bergere corvette. He obtained his rank of Rear-Admiral at the general 'promotion of the 12th August, 1819, that of Vice-Admiral on the 22d July, 1830, and Admiral on the promotion in honour or the birth of the Prince of Wales on the 23 1 November, 1841. THE NOTORIOUS SLAVE FELUCCA—T I - lucca that beat off the Growler's boat ae slave fe manded by Lieutenant ...a-, has escaped no less than six times from `:.tr men-of-war cruisers—once t han the c,cleb".:,.ed Waterwitch, 10, commanded by Captain (*.Alen Lieutenant) Matson ; once from a prize of the Waterwitch ; twice from the When commanded by Captain Tucker ; once from the Kite, steam-vessel ; and once from the boat of the Growler, steam-sloop. She is well known to all the men-of-war officers, and there is not a man on the coast who would not be delighted to give that account of her punishment and capture which we hope soon to record. She is a long, low, sneaking craft, with a stump of a mast not six feet above the deck, but having a yard running up at an angle of 45 degrees above 180 feet long, with a sail that propels her through the water at such a rate as to dis tance the swiftest cruiser. We have heard that she was built at Barcelona, and has a crew of between sixty or seventy of the worst description of • men stealers. Captain Matson, we believe, captured a sister vessel to her, which for a long time had been notorious on the coast of Africa for her impunity and success. The Waterwitch came within range, and, by a well-directed shot through the slings of her im mense yard, knocked it about their ears, and thereby the slaver became entirely at her mercy. On this occasion the semi-pirate captain seized a musket and shut dead the man whom he had placed on the top of the mast to look out. The escapes of the felucca that beat off the Growler's boat have been very narrow. On one oc casion she was almost caught by a tender of the Water witch, named the Pretty Pi.liy. This vessel e a a beautiful little end', and, on being captured, w as manned from the kV aterwitch, and sent into a slave dealing port, to lie in wait fur this felucca. Not aware of the capture and altered chat acter of this vessel, but deeming her to be still in the iniquitous pursuit, the felucca stood into the place within a quar ter of a mile of the Pretty Polly, and, v‘e believe, had nearly got down her large sal, when she discovered she was in the vicinity of an enemy. She iminenia.te , y, by great exertions of a numerous crew, got up her sail again, the Pretty Polly tiring at her, and endeavouring to get nearer ; but, having such few hands, and the felucca being so fully manned—the wind also falling, and the felucca, capable of being rowed with ease—the tender had no chance with her. When the felucca got out, and perceived her advantage over the Pretty Folly, she several times most impudently bore down on her, tired a shot, and then ran away in no time. The Waterwitch was only about fifty - en miles off; and the tender made all haste to com municate with her ; but when the Waterwitch and the Pretty Polly arrived at the slave port the next morning, they found that the felucca bad been in, and by force of arms had seized a cargo of slaves, and had departed. Her escapes from the Iris were almost miraculous. It is generally believed that nothing but a steamer will catch her. FRENCH AND ENGLISH NAVAL ARCHITECTURE.- We have received the following letter from a naval officer who is intimately acquainted with the French and English navies, and , the state of naval architecture in both countries:— " Le Havre, April 3,.1845. " Sir,—The naval officers of the old school, living in retirement at this port and its environs, have read with much pleasure the constant and judicious views which the Morning Herald has taken in its columns of the momentous subject of naval architecture, hitherto so ueaccountably neglected in a country where the perfec tion of this art, from our insular position and its immense commercial operations, ought to be considered of paramount importance. When, Sir, we contem plate the lofty structure of a first-rate man of war, made to encounter and resist the wildest elements of heaven, we must concur in the soundness of the remark made in this country, th at s hi p -b u ildi ng i s a Carriere qui exige tout ce que les connaissances humaines ont de plus abstrait,' and the precaution and means taken by the French in selecting the best builders, fully account for the superiority their ships have ever retained, both in sailing and beauty, over our own. Indeed, so important is held the value of mari time genius and naval architecture in this country, so superior are they considered to those talents requisite to navigate or fight, that in the reign of Napo leon a Monsieur Fortait, of the building department, was intrusted with the administration of the French navy, as was also M. Charles Dupin, who about eight years ago was promoted from a teat at the French Admiralty Board to the office of Minister of Marine. Every impartial naval man, from the last debates in the House of Commons, will see the ne cessity, if we desire to preserve our superiority over the French, and keep inviolable our shores from French invasion, of reviving the school of naval architecture, and of emancipating a science, so important to our very existence, from the trammels of political interest and of ignorant prejudice. Some of your readers, Sir, may nut be acquainted with the means employed by our neighbours to obtain efficient ships. The following are the plans which the French Admiralty adopt for this important aim. When the Government want a Alp built they make it known in all the naval ports ; and the ship-builders, who are a talei.ted and well educated emus', are invited to send to the Admiralty model;-, perfect to the smallest minutiae, and drawings, sections, and specifications, extremely minute in their details ; these, it is understood, ere re ferred to a co mmittee, who examine them, and, if necessary, have th e ship builders before them, to answer any question , that may be deemed advisable. 'When the model most approved of is agreed to, the builder is informed that the Admiralty have chosen his model and plans, and he is directed to commence building a vessel in ex act accordance therewith, the Government furnish ing every material requisite ; and during its con. sti tution, a Member of this Committee frequently visits the port, to verify that she accords with the model and specifications. The builder receives a present fur his model, which becomes Government property, and is paid quaniurn mei uit, which is agreed upon before her keel is laid, the builders having, as I understand, no yearly salary as ours have. "'Thanking you, Mr. Editor, with my brother officers here, for the great interest with which the Herald has espoused the naval service, I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient servant, EPAULETTES." —Herald. (Abridged from the Hampshire Telegraph.) Her Majesty's ship Eurydice, Captain George Elliot, was at Sacrificios on the 3d of March, and also two Spanish and one French vessel of war. Her Majesty's ships Illustrious, Inconstant, Spartan, Hyacinth, Persian, and Hermes steamer, were at Bermuda on the 23d of March. The Inconstant had arrived there with specie from Tampico. The Pique, 36, left Barbadoes for Demerara, on the sth of March. The Espiegle, 12, Commander Thompson, sailed from Devonport on Thursday, for the East Indies and China. The Actaeon, 26, and Firebrand, steam-frigate, both on their way to the Brazils, and the Lily, 16, for the coast of Africa, were at Madeira on the 7th of March. The Espoir, 10, Commander Hand, was at St. Helena, all well, on the Ist of February. On the morning of the sth of January (says a private letter just received from her), while cruising off Cape Lopez about daylight, the signal-man at the mast-head announced a suspicious looking craft, when, the wind being light, the gig and cutter were ordered to give chase. They returned about noon, with a fine schooner of 100 tons, named the Casem. When taken the prize had 41 leaguers of water and a cargo of rice on board, and her slave deck laid. The Espoir took her prize into St. Helena, where she was condemned. _ _ _ _ _ . _ Vice-Admiral Sir Edward King, K.C.8., is appointed Commander-in-Chief at the Nore, vice Sir J. Chambers Whitt', deceased. Admiral Sir John West, K.C.8., is to succeed Sir 1). Milne as Commander-in• Chief at Plymouth. NATIONAL EDUCATION (IRELAND.) Mr. SHAW presented a petition from the Bishop and clergy 0: Down, -.1 N Education. The Hon. and Learned' Gentleman ',re sented petitions to the same effect, signed by 15,000 in habitants of the same diocese, of whom 5,000 did not belong to the Established Church. MAYNOOTH. Mr. BRADLEY presented petitions from the East Riding of Yorkshire against the grant to Mayuooth. Colonel VERNER presented similar petitions from the county of Donegal. Sir J. Ilanmer, Mr. Deedes, Mr. Collier, and other Hon. Members presented numerous petitions to the same effect, but neither the names or places were distinctly heard in the gallery. Petitions against the grant to the College of May ncoth were presented byiLord Heniker,fromEsEex; Mr. Dickinson, from Somersetshire; Mr. Christopher, Lord Northland, Mr. W. Williams, from Nuneaton; Mr. Pen darves, Mr. Duncan, from Dundee; Mr. Lawson, from Yorkshire; Mr. T. Duncombe, from Leice.;tershire; and Mr. Cumming Bruce, from Elgin and other places in Scotland. JUSTICES' CLERKS BILL. Petitions against the 12th clause of this Bill were pre sented by Lord C. Manners and Mr. Christopher. Mr 0. DUNCOMBE presented petitions from the West Riding of York against any further grant to May nooth. Mr. FERRAND presented petitions from the Wes leyan Methodists of Knaresborough, and from the Pro testant Association of Cork, against the proposed grant to Maynooth. Mr. BUSFEILD presented a petition against the ap propriation of any public money to the support of any religious sect. Several Hon. Members rose at once to present peti tions upon the same subject, when The SPEAKER said that Hon. Members would have an opportunity of presenting theie petitions after the orders of the day had been disposed of. Mr. FERRAND said, that if the proposed grant to Maynooth should reach the third reading, he should be prepared to move the following resolution and amendment:—" That it is the opinion of this House that the 7th and Bth of Victoria, com monly called the Catholic Bequests Act, was a violation of the Act of Settlement, and a contravention of the oath of supremacy, and that the present grant to May nooth is calculated to subvert the Constitution as by law established. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD said, that in a future stage of the grant to Maynooth Bill he would move the following resolution :—" That the principle of endowment of any religious sect or sects, from a state fund, or from a fund received from tithes, rents, &c., whether known by any other name or denomination, is a violation of the rights of conscience, detrimental to religion, and dan gerous to civil and religious liberty, and that all such grants ought to be abolished." Mr. FERRAND moved that the petition which he had presented from the Dublin Protestant Operative As sociation be printed with the votes. NEW ZEALAND. _ _ _ Mr. AGLIONBY moved, on behalf of Mr. C. Buller, for copies of correspondenceconnected with New Zealand. Sir H. PEEL moved the order of the day for the second reading of the College of Maylmoth Bill. PAROCHIAL SETTLEMENT. ------- Sir J. GRAHAM, in answer to a question from an Hon. Member, said he would postpone the introduction of this Bill till Wednesday next. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD gave notice that he would upon that day move that the Parochial Settlement Bill be read that day six months. PORT NATAL. Mr. HINDLEY asked if the Government had yet appointed, or if they intended to appoint, a Governor over Port Natal ? Mr. HOPE was understood to say that a Governor was about being appointed over Port Natal. MEDICAL REFORM. _ _ Mr.' MACAULAY asked when it was intended to bring forward the second reading of the Bill on Medicarßeform? Sir JAMES GRAHAM said he hoped he would be permitted to forward the Bill a stage that evening, and let the discussion be taken upon another occasion, as there was no objection to the principle of the Bill. Colonel T. WOOD hoped that the Bill would not he read a second tune without discussion, as there were a great number of professional persons who were deeply interested in the Bill. Mr. HUME also hoped that the Bill would not be read a second time without discussion, as there was no other means by which the public and the profession could be made so well acquainted with the Bill. Mr. HAWES was understood to say that no prejudice would arise by allowing the Bill to be read a second time that night, and discussing it at a future stage. Mr. F. FRENCH said that as there did not appear to be any objection to the principle of the Bill, he did not see why they should not consent to the second reading. Mr. SHAW hoped the Bill would not be read a second time. The second reading was therefore postponed. GRANT TO MAYNOOTH. Mr. MASTERMAN presented petitions against the Maynooth grant. Mr. SPOONER presented thirty-eight petitions from Wesleyan congregations against the grant. Mr. LAMBTON presented a petition against the Bill. Mr. CHRISTIE presented a petition to the same effect. Mr. CHU 1E presented a petition to the same effect. ' Mr. ROEBUCK presented a petition to the same effect. Mr. COLE presented petitions to the same effect. Petitions against the Bill were presented by Col. T. Wood ; Mr. Bright (53) from various parts of the country ; Sir James Duke, from Boston ; Mr. T. Egerton, from Warwickshire ; Admiral Dundas, Mr. Kemble, from various parts of Surrey ; Mr. M'Kenzie, from Peebles ; Mr. Cobden, Mr. Mangles, from Guildford ; Mr. S. Wortley, from Yorkshire ; Mr. Labouchere, from Taunton ; Colonel Wood, Sir John Easthope, from Leicester ; Mr. W. 0. Stanley, from Anglesey ; Mr. Lockhart, from Edinburgh; Mr. Ricardo (10) ; Lord A. Lennox, from Chichester ; and Mr. Crawford (30), from different places in England, Scotland, and :Jersey. Mr. S. O'BRIEN presented petitions from congrega tions of Dissenters in various parts of Northumberland, against the grant to Maynooth. Dr. BOY') presented a petition from Coleraine also against the grant. Sir-W. CLAY presented a similar petition from Dis senters in the Tower Hamlets. Mr. HAWES presented a similar petition from Clapham. Sir C. BURRELL presented numerous petitions to the same effect from places in Sussex. Mr. HINDLEY presented one hundred and thirteen petitions, signed by all classes of Dissenters in all parts of the kingdom, against any endowment to the Roman Catholic College of Maynooth. Mr. PATTISON presented petitions to the same effect, from several congregations of Protestant Dissenters in London ; and a similar petition from the managers of the Sunday school on Fish-street-hill. Mr. G. BANKS presented sixteen petitions to the same effect, from places in the county of Durham. Lord J. RUSSELL presented a petition from a con gregation in Hertford against the grant, and also a peti tion in favour of the grant from another body of Dis senters. Mr. HUME presented petitions from Montrose and other places against the grant. Sir R, INGLIS presented petitions from Halifax, Bristol, and several places in the Counties of Gloucester and York, against the grant of Maynooth, and also a pe tition from the Presbyterian congregation of Carlow, in Ireland, against any connexion between the College of Maynooth and the State. Mr. GROGAN presented petitions from the parish of St. Nicholas Within, Dublin, and from the Protestant Operative Association against the proposed grant to Maynooth. Mr. FELLOWES presented petitions from four parishes in Huntingdonshire to the same effect. Captain FITZMAURICE presented four petitions from the Wesleyan congregations in Buckisghamrhire against the grant to Maynooth. Sir R. PEEL presented a petition from the Presby• terian congregation of Newington, in favour of the grant to Mayncoth. Mr. PUSEY presented four petitions from Berkshire; and Mr. GIBSON presented four petitions from Man chester, against the proposed grant to Maynooth. MAY N 00TH—ADJ OURN ED DEBATE. Mr. HAWES rose to move that the adjourned debate on the increased grant to Maynooth be resumed. He said that the increasing number of petitions presented against this Bill, and the deep interest taken in the question out of doors, would warrant him in coming to the conclusion that this Bill was a measure which was looked upon by the public at large as one of great vital importance, and Set if it should be only looked at attentively, and re garded as a mere measure of educational improvement, he did think it would be found not to furnish grounds sufficient to warrant the strong opposition that had been offered to it on the one hand, or the manner in which the proposition had been introduced or received on the other. Now, let him ask, what., in reality, was this Bill ? It was simply one providing for the better education of the Roman Catholics of Ireland, and the better Government of the College of Maynooth. Now, he did not think that because the Bill had been so introduced, it should necessarily be looked upon as a measure exclusively confining itself to ecclesiastical education.—(Hear, hear.) His own opinion was, that it extended to lay as well as clerical education, for so far as the Bill itself was codcerned. it ap peared to him to be one for the purpose of extend ing Irish education.--(Hear, bear.) And, sorely if those who belonged to the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland had not been permitted to share in all those advantages of education so liberally extended to the people of England, the latter could scarcely find a just ground for objection cn that score alone. That the state of the College and system of education of May nooth were such as were not creditable to the Irish Roman Catholic body were scarcely to be wondered at when it was remembered that that state and system were ascribable to the fact that the Roman Catholics of Ire land not haring the means of devoting to their Colleges that attent on which their grievous position demanded. —(Hear.) It was true that in this country there were several colleges not supported by public grants, but yet were in a condition very different from that of Maynooth; but that fact was owing to circumstances into which he need not here further enter.—(Hear, hear.) Now, he conceived that the measure now before the House should be considered as one intended f , r promoting and ex tending education generally in Ireland, and not for the promotion of ecclesiastical education exclusively. It might be, indeed, that this measure was the means of introducing the discussion of great and exciting topics on this subject ; but in this point of view he begged to say that he by no weans joined in the " ne Popery" cry that bad been raised by those who appeared willing to oppose every measure for the advancement of education that did not concur in their views. —(Cheers.) He said then with regard to this Bill, considered by spoken in fa► our el it before the Louse, and he fully and entirely concurred in the Bill pro posed by her Majesty's Government. But still he c( uld not help thinking that the subject had been en tirely altered by the speech of the Hen. Member for Newark (Mr. Gladstone). That speech had changed entirely the aspect of this question and called upon him for some remarks, remarks wholly unnecessary hid not this speech been made. The Hon. Gentleman had belonged to a Government, and he yet belonged to a party, which all along had opposed any modification cf the revenues of the Irish Church. Was he to under stand now that that Right Hon. Gentleman, so lately a member of a Cabinet opposed to all modification, and now belonging to a party advocating the same views— was he (Mr. Hawes) to understand, from his statement, that this Bill settled the religious question as re garded the endowment of the Roman Catholic Col lege of Maynooth. If the religious question were settled, then the political question might be con sidered settled also. Now he (Mr. Hawes) could not consent to any endowment of the Roman Catholic Church out of British funds, until, at least, the whole question of the Irish Church were brought fairly be fore the House. He was of opinion that some means might be adopted to render the efficiency of that Church more in accordance with the spirit and object for which it was supported. It could not be pretended that, as at present constituted, the Church instructed the people ; and the usual argument that the alliance of the Church was valuable, as a medium of communication between the State and its sub- ' jects was, in this case, completely disposed of. He thought, therefore, that if auy grant were determined on, it should be taken out of the Irish Church property. He considered the question as having been materially altered. Taking into consideration the written speech made last year by the Right Hon. Baronet, he could not help feeling that this was only the precursor of a much more important and extensive measure.—(Hear, hear.) And, under these circumstances, he thought it right to state that he could not consent to the ultimate mea sures, unless they were to look at the property of the Established Church as the source (with due re spect, of course, to existing interests) whence provision should be made fur the Catholic Church. He would frankly state the course which he meant to take with reference to this Bill. He would not vote against the second reading. He would vote fur going into Com mittee. There he would support the motion of his Hon. Friend the Member for Sheffield should take the liberty of making two propositions, of which he would give notice. He thought the grant ought to be annual and subject to the controul of Parliament and ought net tc,. be accompanied by any provision for the mockery of visitation which at present existed. Sir J. GRAHAM said the mode of instruction proposed in the Bill was different from that which at present existed. Mr. HAWES proceeded to say thNt he objected to the provision for Maynooth in its present condition. For forty-five years it had been subject to annual discussion, and he thought the public mind had been rather benefited than injured by these dis cussions. Suppose, for a moment, that that the proposition of the Hon. Member for Sheffield should be negatived, and that he should fail in making it an annual vote, he would consider himself at liberty to take any course he might think proper. If he gave his vote on this measure as it stood, he fe,red he should be sanctioning the future policy which the present Government might think fit to adopt with re gard to the Roman Catholic religion in Ireland. It would, in fact, be considered neither more nor less than a vote of confidence in her Majesty's Govern ment. With respect to their future government of Ireland, and that policy was so darkly and suspiciously shadowed forth that he confessed he was not disposed to confide in them. He did not oppose the policy of the Government, because it was calculated to encourage the Roman Catholic religion, because he, with a large number of Protestant Dissenters, whom he knew were disposed to concur in the resolution which had been come to by the Scotch Protestant Dissenters in Edin burgh on this puint. [LEFT SPEAKING.] NEW MARKET RACES. (THIS DAY-BY EXPRESS.) D.M. Handicap. Ratcatcher colt, 4 yrs • Pastille filly 2. Mocha a good third ; and All-round.rny-hat fourth. Six ran. Won by two lengths. Handicap. T.Y.C. Kh orass an 1 Dr. Hill 2 Won by half a length. Sweepstakes of 50 sovs. Lady Wildair Tunick Captain Phebus 3 Won by a length easy. The Zeal colt was fourth, and New Years' Day fifth. APPOINTMENTS. Captains—H. J. Worth, to the Trafalgar ; Sir H. Leeke, to the Caledonia; Sir B. Walker, to the Queen. Lieutenants—W. M. J. E. Pasco, to command the Jackall ; H. J. Dicken, from the Linnet to the Seagull; John Hay (e), and J. 11. Craug, to the Grecian; A. G. Edye (additoual) to the Tartarus; B. S. Pickard, to the Melampus; H. B. Jones, to the San Jost f, vice Maxwell, superseded at his own request; W. F. Feed, to be flag lieutenant to Vice-Admiral Sir E. iJ. King; E. J, B. Clarke (additional), to the Vesuvius; 11. W. L. Thomas, to the Arrow, for service in the Woodlark; 'Wm. Crook, and C. H. Jackson, to the Queen; John Harding, to the C 3 clops; C. G. Gl t nn, and Henry King, to the Apollo. Masters—A. B. Usborne (additional), to the C)cloys; Peter Francis, from the Linnet, to the Seagull; F. J. Kent, to the Lizard. Paymaster and Purser—James Fletcher, to Queen. ors'" Surg€on—Jobn Park, to Espi ge -l le ,• Dr. M , Mtit t ° TT -•* .k.""' • .• .51116 — datales Matthews, iron Acher4 int t ° he Acting Master of Devastation; Ezdriel Angie r, to Vanguard; T. B. Wells, to Mastiff ; G. A. Wate,?. to Dee ; E. J. H. Tucker, to M e l am p us; Willi am H. l A l ' ll* Hams, to Jackal]. . Assistant Surgeon—John Laffer, from Linnet to F" . gull; Dr. Borthwick, to Queen. Secretary—James Pinhorn, Esq., to be Secretary' W Sir E. D. King. G; r Oltp.!1 Oakes, tot 1 11 " io.wmder to: ti.e distfiet, vice It 4LI . scy, sctvee expired. The Mates undernamad passed fir Lieutenants at. tha Royal Naval College, on Tuesday .—Mr. Edurund Webber, Excelltnt ; E. A. Blackett, late Harlequin Charles Vesey and T. T. Hamtlyr, late Beividera. RO AL MESSENGERS. A very curious document (Sessional Papers, Nouse of Commons, No. 93, ordered to be printed 4th Marche on the motion of Mr. Warburton), h as just been' issued from the Vote Office. It is a "Return relative; to the Expense of Royal Messengers for the years of " Edward I. and 1433; Accounts of the Master of the' Posts in the reign of Elizabeth ; Order in Council,' 162 G, repecting Transmission of Letters ; Extracts• from Roils of Parliament respecting Statutes of Pro"' visors, 1306-1350 ; and Catalogue of Writs de' Scrutinio Faciendo." Under Class No. I.—" Extracts from the War d : robe Account of 28 Edw. 1., giving the total expen s `,. for that year of th e Royal Messengers"—it is state o ' that in the year 1299-1300 (28 Eftw. I.) the sous paid by the Crown for messenger!, exclusive of 01 paid to messengers .conveyinr , intelligence of roy a ' m births (which may be isidered as extraordinary payments), was 1481. Bd., which contained about' the same Height'; standard silver as would be con' . twined in 300/ measured by the old standard shilling' of eeo• 711. - And in the Wardrobe Account, pu b ; , us'T;ed by the Royal Society of Antiquaries, we fl at ' some curious items and still more curious Latinitieii. Thus, we have a fee of 2s. to a person bringing to 01 King " a little dog." (" I. Dimetori portend. ad Regem unum parvum canem.") There is something whirmdcal in the notion of a present to, or pur , ,has e by, the iron-cased and iron-hearted subduer of Mrsle ti f and Scotland of a tiny lapdog. For the expenses ° De Kyrkeby'travelling as far as Berwick-upon-Tweet and returning with the utmost expedition, we rea d the following item, the idiomatic and vernacular felicity of which will commend itself to the awr! fastidious of our readers :—" Expensis Radi Kyrkeby euntis usque Berwickurn-super-Tweed s° et redeuntis cum summafestinatione, 155." It is ° 13.1 servable that the largest of the disbursements in tllO account are made to one of the Queen's mess.engerst (" Russell, Nuncio Reginm"), 10/.; to messene from the Duke of Brabant, Cl. 13s. 4d.; and W I : the King of Arragon,sl. For messengers announcing "royal births," the disbursements made, referen ce ' being had to the value of money at the time referr ed to, seem to have been at least as costly affairs as th e are now. To ono set of messengers (Nunciis MoD m Martini), there were issued 100/.; and to one of t.,"; Duchess of Brabant's gentlemen, 1261. 13s. 4471• the year 1433 (12 Henry VI.) in the statemen t y'a, the receipt and expenditure of the C rown subinit‘ e h , to Parliament by Richard Cromwell, Lord fi'L Treasurer, the expense of the " Niincii missi extra regnum qutian infra regnum" is estimated. o f 2001, which • i•um contained about the same weig, ll ;j o i standard sitter as would he contain,d in 400/.,pr standard of George 111. This is e , s clu,ive of the expen-,e of ambassadors, which W o f 2,626/. 13 , .41. Very curious are the " Accounts Thomas Randolph, Master of the Posts from Oct• ; 8 El;zabeth, to Sept. 30, 13 Elizabeth." They oc cil e r amongst e Records of the Court of Excher,l ll o (Pipe) in the Public Record Office, in custody of t. Right Hon. the Master of the Rolls (by s t a t. 1 er , li tt , Vic ,c. 94). Although they ar e si gne d by " Ra o r g i f, ley" and " ' and are audited by , 010 Dodington," they exhibit a rude and clwmay si s ' fi - c e of allowances to provincial postma s t e r 4 i n quitta-oa of disbursements out of her Majesty's Excheque r Ab. account of the " Meister of th e P ontes, " an d in charge of the payments to " Thoznas Heneage, Treasurer of H. Majesty's Chamber," w hich O i l ( J, horrify the administrative habits of Mr. 13,0° ' - 0 (1 , Hill. The " somme total! of the saide paymente,B.6, allowances aforesaid," is thus primatively stat e , u o . s/.. " m/. ml. ml. ml. Dcccxxvin/i. mxs.' (or 51' 195.) f We conclude our notice of thi s cur i o us PaPe - t io respectfully directing Sir Jam es G ra h a m's atteno to an " Ordinance of Parliament passed in 1 . 0 . , (20 Ed. III)" .4 No letters of aliens to be spected." This ordinance should have p ro tected br Mazzini, if it could not shield Mr. Th omas Duna ° i t a from the " searching" int eres t, b y t h e Home-Offi ce '. • the contents of sealed letters addressed to certain in dividuals, PARLIAMENTARypAPERS . SLAVE TRADE—SLAVE VESSELS. „ 3 (House of Commons' Sessional Papers, 1845, l' lo ' ordered to be printed February 25.) (A.) Return showing the total number of .1 01. '0' Negroes, landed for the purposes of Slavery on e ar' Islands and on the Continent of America, from the Y th e 1815 to the year 1843, both inclusive, distingaishi n g t he number so landed in each of tho se years, and . 15 , 0 number landad in each year on the territory 0 ' g o' separate State or Power, so far as th e s am e can be la . t y4 up from documents in the possession of her Ml l 4% l 'o' Government ; also, Cases adjudged under Slave s' n - s e , Treaties, and number of s l aves emanc ip a t e d in c ° quence at Sierra Leone, Rio de Janeiro, Ha/ 1113 9 eae Surinam', and other pl a ces r es p ec ti ve l y , from th e .f, 1829 to the year 1844. (So much of the ret a " : 0 1 relates to cases adjudged under Sl ave T ra d e Trea tj a - if t (B.) Return of the number o f Sl ave V esse l s arrive - 1 r the Trans-Atlantic States s i nce 1814 ; their name to 0i scription (as brig, schooner, or ship, &c.); names, tonnage, armament, nutnber of crew, n"" (i f olv flag; whether empty or w i t h slaves (whose numbe'i ,011 to be stated) ; the loss by death on the voyage c f u what part 0 1 Af r i ca arr i ve d ; the l engt h o f pass96-wa date of arriv a l , so f ar as t h ese part i culars are knc-f her Maje s ty' s G overnment : also, the number ° so d vessels clearing f rom T rans -Atl ant i c ports f or Afric il lier all vessel s c l ear i ng f rom T rans- A t l ant i c por t s or ° lO, ports, and suspected ofan intention of engaging in trade, since 1814 ; their names, description, ra' r i c ar names, t onnage , armament, num b er o f crew, nt, flag; wheth,r empty or with cargo, and what cargy ' , what alb ged destination, and date of ds parture• The first department of Return (A) is en --- ," "Fasts adjudged under Slave Trade Treatiet. number of slaves emancipated in consequence at c 6 2 1e 9 Leone, th e H avanna h, Ri o d e J ane i ro , , from 1 " - taci* 1844." . I , thus classified : " Cases adjudged (1)"td. ;ate, tiumbar ef ves•cls, number of slaves etnanc l P: a ra reimeks)." This pap: r compri s es a ser i es o f 40 7 c tip!) in the taa mak rity of which sentence of coadeter 1 ,10 d. iha total number of sieves emancipated 0 0 1 0 Aflx, Caratnission Court=, 1829-1843 inclusive' e' 57,639. Tt.ere were two cases only in which neti cutions were coil-m-need, but subsequently aharw a d by the captors. 331 of th. se cases were adjudg e i pT Sierra Leone ; 43 at Havannah , 29 at Rio de Jan I at Harr bergh ; 1 at Cayenne ; 1 at Bremen ; I a a° Cape of Good Hepe—in all, 408. Ther e w ere 20 0,,.0 brought betere the Courts as to which such CO' rfot declared thl mselves incompetent to entertain ther°' o of which no adjudications took place. (B ) This Rett r ptiC the number o. slave vessels arrived i n th e Trans-Al; jB l States &c., give., a total of 2,313 vessels and Pfor e saves. Of these vessels it appe a red t o have been tamed that there sailed respectively, under the 1,0 0 France, 28 ; Spain, 297 ; Sweden, 2 ; Portugal' aci o Brazil, 80; America, 18; Holland, 2; Russia, I; its lc , 49 Ayres, 2; Monte Video, 5; Hamburgh, 1; Matt Aar , The Hon. Henry T. Liddell has arrived a t Farr oce V Hotel, from Scotland. MM. ~.... f ill On the 7th inst., at B el mont S , Hfints, the w :e e e- COtil 0 i Sir James Stirling. R.N., of a daug h ter. Esq'' On the Bth inst., the wife of 'Willi am Mit c alfe, if' Fitzroy-square, of a daughter. , A Of .41 On the 15th of February, near Kam tee the la d y P. Crest, Esq., 7th Madras Cavalry, of a daughter , e ti of I P On the 3d inst., at Pau, south of France, the lad,' JO' Hon. B. Cary, of a son. On the 6th inst., at Manche s t er , M rs. S . L. Behrens' istif of a son. On the 9th inst., in Bedf or d-pl ace , Russell-square, they of J. L. Wight, Esq., of a son and daughter. sip ol° On the 10th inst., at Upp er Islington, Mrs. Henry , of a daughter. I re° On the 11th inst., at D enmar k-hill , M rs. G eo rge See Marshall, of a son. ----------;-;-:-------------- „,0) Hall,Ononly the6thin,r of theatNott liinnr.Ehipll,.Bayswater,Olilialereilifr:6 ate Mr. Hall, surgeo n, ~,, il• i ' Berks, a, e d 28. Or. the 7th inst., at Ed mons t one H ouse , Cheltenb n- ' Lloyd, Es q ., surgeon . f• A sr On the 7th i ns t., a t L yme R eg i s , D orse tshire, M iss i Job i garet Philnot. On the Bth i ns t. i n th e New-road, Hammersini t '' 4 , , James, eldest so n o f M r . J o h n B u ll. 5 0 infes t On the 9th i ns t., a t Sh rews b ury, R an d o lph, the i n only son of the Rev. Dr. Kennedy. Fla p On the 9th inst., Oliver Colt, Esq., of Rownhanl9' shire, aged 85. porntliff On the 10th inst., at M oun t R a df or d, Exeter , - ds the wife of Edward T r app Pil gr i m , Esq., ag ed 82. willia - On the 10th inst., a t W ar d' s House, BackoeY, Varty, Esq., aged 76. On the 11th inst., i n C anon b urv -l an e, Isl ington, Wilii" Butler, Esq. On the 11th inst., Mr. Thomas Sowter, , PO I ' ~.../.. South Mimins, Herts. ....--•• „ff --- , 1t" 7 12,' 1, .- - ' - 1 e _ „o. , 0 7,7,1, t. The Sun °Puc e, • u pq (~o 'tra i-: in ', i - ,:e.: , r--, of the Savuf, in:6the Middlesex, Monday, April 14, 1845. of Bolton 5 ...-- . ATARRIED. At St. Osyth, J. R o b ert Ki r b y, eldest son o f the VP: I, vi:r' L. Kirby, of Cl ac t on , t o Eli zabeth, eldest daughter of VI Nassau, Esq., of St. Osyth. itYlita On the 10th i ns t., at B anstead, Captain Stanhogt fog Mary, second d aug ht er o f t h e late Vice-Adm i ra l Du „ did James Foote, K.C.B. ic.-, .4f On the 11th inst., at the parish church of Chisw r ,„ AP., dlesex, 11. Crompton tooth, Esq., of Liver pool to Al it ' o 4 ll ‘ , d.. 0 second daughter of Henry Trimmer, E sq., o f Strap Green, near Kew.