The Sun. — London, England, 1839-03-02 00:00:00

i.t° ' all, the geestioe really wS. whether they were to i It Cr. IV. ROCHE th oug ht th a t th ere wou ld b e no thi ng but confai have railr oa d s i n I re l an d at a ll ? Th e Ri g h t H on. Ba- sio' . and delay unless the Government interfered. NN hat had I r unet had declared that there was intelligence, activity, tG,a,(l4:'.tern n ta e e n e t in di ß d e g lg o i od um . clearly showed that the interference of the il o rte nnily, patriotisot ' enough to make railroads in Ireland I vl.'?thout Government grants. Certainly there were all those Coo I things in Irelend. het, unferttmaxly, one in . - "qr. essaTON YATES said be believed that the Report of the Commissioners showed conclusively that the people of Ireland Would not advance in prosperity and increase in wealth unless the 1 le heat wasatiug to ihe making of railroads the Right Hou. ) plit of the Government was adopted. He therefore should fe Baron did net enumerate., viz., inoney.—( Laught er ..gourd to support it. He thought the Government were fe" just (here. Ives not money in Ireland to make railroads, ard tined its bttnging forward that plan, because it wows , not interfere ius : L' 'et' had bad abundant proof of that. While there were with vestei interests, either in canals or raill uads. - He did not `nc. hundred rail-Dada le England, how many were there in think it anssible that such a system . of r s ' aitroads as the welfare of Irel an d , ee , , wit' one completed, and that of the length of Ireland required could . be establi; 'even miles.—•( Haar, hear, a itd a laugh.) But how was that even completed ? Be a loan front Government of 60,000/. There were two other railroads going on in had he in found that capital in nth e completion of . lion iti that ' -erred by private exertions. It . could not be raised even in England most of the railroads now its course of forma eountry. Very few of them were likely to yield 'lie North of Ireland there wes the Armagh line, the I)" ' fe e s eufficient to tempt speculators.—(Hear, hear.) Large P 'aPrielors of which had appl'cd for a loan of 20,0001, , ,tails of money were transmitted to America for the construction of but they were not yet able to get it. Private money h• A il (06: 'eat'laealls. Because six per cent, interest was given and a se_ , '"' curie of Gevernment pledge. He believed that the object of rail. ri2t made a single eailread in Ireland, and at a me .aarset " ways Y if attained at all in Ireland, must be effected by the aid of (1- the Subscribers of the Armagh R. rilway, it .- ,Eas nia , _ oe Government. He saw no greater reason why the Government of 4 t'llbjeet of 'great complain:. that the G , ma:re ..rent had pro- this country should not enter into such enterprizee than the Govern rn:sed 20.000 i . but had not reo - aated it , if ;he apeoula i t'on meats of France, of Belgium, and of the United States. The "'Ca:Tiled who would profit by it- . -the rub!ie. - The in. wretched condition of' the peasantry its Ireland was most lament ere t woubi coene beck—rho t s. tr otire itrolits would belong able, yet their patience was beyond all praise, seeing that they were i " th ,, Imi.thiit % t. ,id inst, , ,il oc " 0 . .'. i ~• .. dviag by hundreds, aye, almost by thousands, through the SS th, , . ~ . .. , .fa Taaos nettle, a monopoly, ..) were in ienera : r m m r public prop arty. cruelty of hard and unfeeling landlords. In Carlo- alone three p - ...d. to ta creme tn •y would become - thousand men had been turned out withaut a bed on which to e ii):tai tiitil,..,i;e:_tiar;d.. - e i) p . erienc . e showed they could not Islet . , - s Isp -ssionate Commissioners had re.. in the course of his travels through Irelare' s hed r 1 co :erect that the per cent. in gcner.il, and 4: 1- ,-. per cent. at the opte dmi•erable condition of the peasantry was 'the cause of the outrages 1, ,, fea . , vies the highest pr• ,. .fit th it coula be made on the which were unhappily so common ; and that honest Quaker, Mr. i. ea . ds in Ireland. \‘• as there a rigle capitalist Binns—(A laugh from the Opposition)—sent by Government— -I,nr.P;alglt.tod that would lend his capital with a.prc.spect of (Ano.her laugh)—as an Assistant Commissioner on the Poor-law . - s's, ana with a chance of getting no greater profit, than inquiry, summed up his report by saying, that it was natural the 'ls per cent.? Would they find aoy One on the Stock Ex- Peasantry skould resent such cruel neglect s His (Mr. A. Yated's) oha t , , rh •g , Pho would lend them money si ith such a prospect? opinion was, that unless you gave employment to these peasantry,. I 7 , a t hero. t was. conclusive a.rainet their getting money by they would remain in their unhappy condition; and as a means of ', -)41 ., andif the Government ' did not take up the matter- promoting that desirable object, he should support the Bill recom -1 nee Could ~...0. not have railroads at all in Ireland. lie was f.r mended by the Noble Lord.—(Cries of question.) _ T v. lti admitting that what they hal done in 'England was Mr- HUME said he wished to make a few observations upon f. l 'se, leaving to private individuals the moneapoly of those what had passed. Ile was satisfied that the re.earks which had i nWaysbeen made by the Right Honourable Baronet the Member for loge ''—( Hear, hear-) If there was ode principle of Tarn a orth as to what the Government wool, be compelled to do if more than another familiar to lawyers it was this, that they once adopted this plan, were deserving of the most serious 'verY ac commodation of going front one part to another attention.—(Hear, hear.) The House was now, for the first time z, .. - lld be given to the public, and that all roads were the since he had the honour of a seat there, called upon to undertake a un g's highways. When the Horsham road was first farmed great work of public commercial speculation—(Hear, hear, hear) — "°d gravelled it was opened for the entire 'public , and was a nd i t behoved them to &certain to what extent that plan wo u ld 'ailed the King's highway. So when i'i was Macadam- have to be carried, and what were the means to be used. He thought , te ed it vvas still the King's highway; ht.V.; now another sten that Ireland might by private enterprise accomplish all that Government intended to do. He was satisfied that '''' R • l been teken—railroads had been invented, but Che t v • , • 'laded 1 ?0 longer the King s highway, nor for the public the Government in beginning could not stop short of one line.— (Hear, hear.) It was quite fitting that the Government should lay i,.. emence. They had been allowed. to get into the hands their plan before the House; but full opportunity should be given t Private individuals. They were rnotiodolie.,. Day by for receiving suggestions aOM different patties with a view of car e ,3:ethe machinery got slower aott 'she charges higher.— rying out a complete system. He was one of those who thought hear.) The London and Liverpool Railway Com- that it was impossible while railways were making such rapid pro ) sn Y had regulations compelling people to sign an under- r,ress throughout the civilized world, that Ireland should be left t '", k ing that if a passenger's eareiage was injured by ;Icel. behind.—'(Bear.) The question was, whether the people of Eng_ ` . .cot or by the misconduct of men-szrvants that they land and Scotland thould be called upon to do that work for war , s zie o d ttla nt) part of the country, while there might be equal claims on the part against comped . ed to pay . ; and . this mono of was of Scotland ? He did not say that to discountenance Railways in te _ un the public. It might have been too bold a Ireland he approved of their introduction, and it was only neces. ,„i•_c .e for any Ministty to lay out 10 or 20 millions in the `wry for her Majesty'sGove.niment to consider the means and resources I '7 .9 1 ation of a Railway bet we( n London and Liverpool, et their command before they commenced their work. It appeared that e iu t t il . the Ministers had had the courage to do it, would the Government proposed to lend their credit to make thoseadyances, 11 , 1 1 .. the public now have gained an immense advantage? and on the faith of the report of the Commissioners they expected a of Was not mere theory, ter Belgium and the Free States return of four per cent. If that was the case, he did not believe that ' the world, hall adopted this system safely, and with any opposition would be offered to a proposition which was caleu- SUeee ssi and the tolls were lessening. Ile wished we hated to produce so great an amount of benefit ; but the Noble Lord could have a lesson from the other side of the At- must hear in mind that once he made a commencement, he must go to the north and to the west, and he had better calculate the 'antic, l s 'he .. plan that had Leon adopted in all t,,, ~;;4 1e of America, instead of being . a detriment •j, ril l ',. country, had lessened the public burdens. cost hast i of the whole before be introduced any measure. Looking Iv at the proposition, it appeared to him injudicious to form a line in one or two places, and to leave other districts, equally ins c°u ight happen that there would be a surplus, and of portant in the opinion of the parties interested, unprovided, and it it rse that surplus would belong to the country. Whether was absolutely necessary that the House should be satisfied on that ' e y s ucceed or fail, there could not by any possibility be a point. The Right Hon. Beront opposite had contended that it '"Satod the English people by advancing the money. A great would not be right to commence with the formation of one ..‘,taaslboaftewhat had been said by the Right Hon. Baronet road, and he (Sir. Hume) concurred in that opinion, Allusion d upon the speculation that there must be a loss, had been made to - Belgium, and he happened to be in that country .it it Was most fallacious. He could assure the House, its 1833, when the question of railroads was under consideration, ' t u l . lat if they did not allow the resolution to pass, there and it became matter of grave debate whether the Government °lll d be no railway iu. Ireland. A public hignway, as a I.ll.l.llrailY was' ought not to be a private speculation. `'thee way had no reference to a c piton factcry, or an ,private speculation. It was a public highway, nti therefore y country d u undertake railways or leave theta te private speculation, and he would tell the House what had decided it. There was no want of capital either in Belgium or in England, provided the former was in a state of peace and quietness . But at that period there was an army upon the frontier of each country, Belgium rn ought to be under the controul of the Go- being equally prepared with Holland, and it was impossible to say Ir e i Ment' He was not, then, begging for Ireland, for whether in three, six, or twelve months war would not break out. "asked offered complete and ample security for all the money she 1 Under such circumstances it was impossible. to have the works car. k d for. She offered the security of all the county-rates in the ried on by private speculation, and they were undertaken by the distractti,euo through which the Railway passed. "We only want," said I Government, He thought there was something similar in the state n. and Learned Gentleman, " we only want the use of your 1 of Ireland at the present moment. He would ask the House if there 'redit, as you h our _ ave taken very good care t h at we shall have none of , was any want of capital in England ? There was none, if it could forl, u wn.—(Loud l aug ht er. ) S urely when the picture, painted so : only be supplied with security and safety. An Honourable Member s y , by the Nobl e L or d , i s now before yore, I may call u p on y ou I h a d stated that capital was flowing in very rapidly, and it was ad 'me sympathising feeling for Ireland before you vote against I mitted that large sums were raised in that country to be applied in '"uch a resolution. I the formation of railroads and other improvements in the United Mr. H. HINDE though he fully agreed with all that had been I States. Within the last three months the State of Carolina had %)oaaAd as to the integrity of the, Commissioners, still there was one , raised half a million of dollars for that purpose. In every State of , int in their report which he viewed with suspicion, and tha t America English money was obtained on loan, and when they saw 'ss the estimate of 10,0001. a mile as an estimate of the whole of I every other country benefiting by the application of that Capital, it at'lreland -,an estimate much smaller than any that had yet been made I was a matter of the most serious consideration whether they ought Lngland, It was quite true that labour was much cheaper in ; not to make the attempt to introduce that capital into Ireland.— , r e e irel. than in England; but he had attended most particularly to i (Hear.) In doing so there might be some risk of loss in stoppage 'n taternents made by the Noble Lord, but so far as he recollected ' of the works, unless the Government made up their minds I the lailwon' y railway completed in Ireland —the Dublin and Kingstown las to the extent they would go. To stop at the present proposition ay—had cost no less a s um th an 41,800/. With that pre I was impossible.—(Hear, hear.) It was necessary, however, to see t ent bef ore him, h e e t : R od not believe that railways could be exe- ! what security the Government proposed in case of failure, and "Oiled in Ireland for the small sum of 10,0001. a mile. When it was whether the parties were ready to assent to it. The Noble Lord ~ciadleeruedlated that 4i per c en t, was to be obtained upon what he con- I had stated that the Securities he had to Oar were the counties, b u t very inadequate estimate, he could not agree in the vote ' it had been whispered that the counties were not willing to give 'hen under the consideration of thee Committee. If the House was ; that security.—(Hear, hear.) He had seen it stated that at public Prepared to pass the o he, for o ne, was not prepared to agree to it. I meetines in Ireland the gentry were w illi ng to come forward Mr, LYNCH beg y ge t i e l , to set th e H on. Gentleman who bad last towards the formation of these railroads. He should hope indeed 'spoken right, The expenses of the Dublin and Kingstown Railway ' that every man would be willing to make some advances for the were no doubt great, but th at was because the land required for promotion of these public works. He hoped there would b e no job 'lie undertaking being in the neighbourhood of the capital, was of Bing of the public money in this case—that it would be kept eru.,,tmrse much dearer th an th at required for a railway in the country. ' separate and apart from that influence which had so often 'or such an undertaking as the one then under consideration it ' diverted the public money into the wrong channels, " p n i %let be remembered th a t l a b our i n Ireland was much cheaper, and and if that was the case, he believed that it was possible rat the land required wa s much lower than any that was required to the works in a manner which would tend to For a s i milar undertaking in England. The Hon. Gentleman had the execute greatest possible benefit. He believed there were many persona t ;a ies iil that by. ano_byc there would be an app li cat i on from the coun as much, if not more, interested in the matter as Irishmen them. . 4, of Ireland for relief, but he would tell him th a t I re l and h a d often selves. Every man in England who considered the relative situa. u rr °wed money from England, and she had never yet asked to have eo n o f th e two countries would admit that Ireland contributed to -.it remitted. He had the evidence of Sir John Barrington before a . England's wealth and added to her power at home and abroad. It ;,entremittee of that House, that England never lost a farthing by was necessary, however, to understand the terms and conditions I.o a_ . advances she had made to Ireland. He agreed with the Noble upon which British capital would be advanced; and he wculd tell - te e that the Commissioners had acted with strict in- them why. Because in some instances faith had not been kept with s .t a ,2' but he considered that they had not acted according to her - them. The Irish had not kept faith with them ; but in that in. . thi .7?'s Com m i ss i o n , for they ought to have reported of raitweys . stance the Church was i n t eres t e d , an d it seemed as if there was ei,. u g h out all Irel an d. It was hi s i ntention to vote for the present some fatality c onnec t e d w ith t h e C hurch.—(Hear, hear.) With -„e n re, even th oug h i t did not extend to the part of the country rcsp. ct to that minion,lie contended th a t th e p eop l e of England o e h n he repr esen t e d. If th e sou th -wes t was i mprove d b y t h e had been robbed of it.—(Laughter, aaid cries of ‘ . No, no.") Th e 3,..a a " li shment of railroads, then the west could come to that House morn y had been given up, because they were told they could not ,1: : ' Wit h Confidence ask for assistance. He undetatood from the get it back. In the present case, as Ireland would be the prin ,: lh le Lord that individual enterprise was not to be stopped by this cipal gainer, she should be the guarantee against any lots, and j..:)ile, hie _ suppose that individuals were willing to make a branch to if that was done, he (Mr. IL) would throw no diffi cultiesinth i e f nth ' toe main line, would they , be allowed to participate in any of way. Before any steps . were taken, they should ascertain () e r p r ofiis of the GrandJunctian ? He was glad to hear that the Ireland was satisfied with the arrangement, and what amount of n eminent had postponed the Northern line for he thought there security would be given. Ile agreed with the Right Hon. Bart. tar b) be only one line from Dublin, with ' branches to all the ; that the Government must become the proprietor of all the rail -arge t° "ass, the main line at- all events ought to go as far as Cork. ways throughout Ireland, and he did not think that any good lioNlr. O'BRIEN—As the Chancellor of the Exchequer end the would result from undertaking a proportion , unless they went , "',•andLearned Member for Dublin had Sowell answered the objec through the whole. He nontechnicalthugt the question of immense ,d tm in . St ~,n _ _" a'te n to the vo'e by the Right Hon. Bart. (Sir Robert Peel), portanea and he hoped .t.inetee u nnece,sary for him to travel the same ground. The qurs. the way of granting assistance_ to that country .—( clear, ea .) ble e,„_, w as, whether Railway enterprise should he encouraged in Ire- Sir ROBERT INGLIS said that one part of the . Honoura .eatui.but before he proceeded to that part of the case he begged to Member's speech had been spoken as the Member for Kilkenny, and Dot t h e night Hon Chancellor of the Exchequer right upon one a part as late Member for Middlesex,—(Hear, and a laugh.) f He 4 - - ,si e: t_ ‘He Was prepared to deny that all local improvements were would take the liberty of asking the Hon. and Learned ember or tee „. c _ u by Government aids--concurring in the vote as he did, he Dublin what security the people of England would have for any fbelieVexit't'ss his sorrow that it was not made uuiveraal. He did not advance made under the proposition now before the House, if that 'of tti et entire Gheaovtfe rtnheelreen tvroinuld be a much greater difficulty on the part measure so dear to his heart, namely, the Repeal of the-Union, undertaking a general railway system for ' should be carried ?—(Hear and laughter.) He would ask him in o th r e nn ie teGhioeyeLo lreland , than for one great tine. The proposition of all courtesy and good faith if they were to understand that the ad. ill invu lved an important principle—namely, whether vances now contemplated would be decreed with his concurrence speculation 'rnment "re a proper authority to undertake a railway from the fegislature and general financial establishment of Ireland, e ederta. e a in l. stead of pi ivate individuals. If the Government could f should the two countries be separated ? He was not prepared to rttseernuetlehntaandine for the north, he did not see why it should not for ! give the proposition his support unless he had some assurance from western districts. He had a great respect for the ac- ' the Honourable and Learned Member on that point. coo t , ~,.. , zeal and talents of the Railway Commissioners, but he I Mr. O'CONNELL said that unless the Right Hon. Baronet was tha t , 11 ° ' account for their omission of the western provinces in i very hard to satisfy, he should be able to satisfy him on that sub- Int e l'ort • for t ' '"rt P a u r e s h d e ( w t e s t i t h t with f t t those 1 th e , , he thought that a line passing through Athlone ject. He would solemnly pledge himself to introduce a clause to horeeselailitisaniliwould produce a large remuneration, when ` this effect in the Bill for the Repeal of the Union—(Laughter.) He 1 4 1 , a . tr Railway Commissioners towards Enniskillen and Cork, i would pledge the faith of the people of Ireland to the Right Hon. I's" t ( th • Commissioners would give the natural I Bart. on this subject. The Irish people had never broken their Din e 2 .. their able Report, by furnishing the Government and the I faith, although the faith pledged to them hail been frequently broken. efee ed wl 'h surveys of lines for the western districts. It had been The party with whom the Right Hon. Bert. generally acted had and t e Y s hown that railways had had an increase of traffic four-fold shaMelessly broken their solemn faith pledged to the people of It e ,,, en-fuld on ae th,„ ._, the Continent and-in the country. He did not see land. The Hon. Member for Kilkenny had certainly accused them in .relay ought not assume au equal increase of traffic for the lines of having broken their faith once, but lie thought he should be able for th e a • He felt it his duty to return thanks to the Government to prove to the House that no faith had been broker, for he had dis_ rect.], c '' 'there; and his advice to his constituents, who were di. tinctly warned the House when that million was advanced to the d ata ) , e :T ee rned in this meas ure wou ld b e to accept the aecommo- clergy of Ireland that it would never be repaid, anal therefore it could 'arme mr. ~ n . the terms proposed. not be said that in that instance they had b ro k en t h e i r f a i t h . — (L ou d GRA TTAN also supported th e measure, on t h e ground laughter.) 1 I , re fatiT as ksan y others, of the Government being better able, in Sir ED WARD KNATCHBULL said it was perfectly true, as .healtaitiat,„„:;Pecially, than private Companies, to meet the vast preli- the Hon. and -Learned Gentleman had remarked, that he had ..4 7 1 I)ense of railways. The expense its one case had been so warned the House never to expect repayment of that advance; he e 1,,,,, ,1 7 ,00 0,000/. in purchasing land. Now he would say that perfectly agreed with his Right Hon. Friend and the Hon Gentle_ "Pitei 'of Ireland were entitled to this measure fur English man opposite that if Ulcer agreed to the nropoition of the Noble t v a r r te, eg i' a a: . expended for Ireland, arid Irish capital was expended I Lord, they wc; uld be bound in justice to follow s up the measure, by i ' elan d "• Why should not Governmeet aid Public Works in I granting assistance to other lines, and that this would be merely the ' t- 'atiel s ?as well as it had assieted the Rideau and the Caledonian commencement of an expenditure which might amount to several ferw ao . nut Ireland had always been disregarded when she came millions. The Right Hon. Gentleman opposite had talked of the the late ' f or aid front England in such national works. When security of the land of Ireland, of the county. rates being mortgaged ere Mr. Leader applied for a grant for the improvement of a for the repayment of these advances; but he could not but be of h.. ,ilt district ' "e..hi e in Kilkenny, the answer he got was, "Ireland wants opinion, that when the repayment of the sums thus advanced should , abut ~.._,. sate _Peace and tranquillite." This was the answer we had be called for, there would be some little demur on the subject, and te .. ..,..!t the last eleven years, and which had been given upon that eventually only a very small amount would be recovered. t i 4'' k ' lli wiPa.'scaati m °n an f r o if r ire lo to o r y y o e t a ' ,t loit i a t l y is , isan preferred best years before. Now in his neighbourhood He entirely agreed with his Right Hon. Friend in opinion that it his own,. and there was peace and tran- was better to rely on the private exertions of individuals for the . opportunity of investing money ; but English accomplishment of these works than on the interference of theGo .o „ ,_ t in e ‘ ,. ' o untry had a!w " st ing their money here. But the fact was, vernment. He did not say this from any hostility to Ireland, for if tee ways beet, taking capital out of Ireland. There he believed that this grant would be to the advantage of that ,iv,... quit rents amonntin e "barn , D_ . gto 7 0,000 L a year, and the Jentford, Fitz- country, by restoring peace to it, he would willingly agree to it; ~ :e0, 000.. _evonshire, and other estates, supplied to absentees but he did not believe that it would have this effect, and therefore i r ad h e _ ' He could prove the amount to be much greater. Indeed he if a division took place he should vote against it. ard from h inted , good authority the absen ees' drain from Ireland esti- Mr. SLANEY said he should support the grant. He had gone (4 la a ' 3 ' °°° .° oo /. Then he would say as an Irishman, "Give through ,the country through which it was /imposed that these bat c " s 'one of this . ._ es al e ~ , We waut the railway grants, not as a gift, railroads should pass, during the last summer, and he wished that I l l ng., Thia ' fire Right Hon. Gentleman pnitested against Irish Hon. Gentlemen opposite could have seen the misery existing 1 • , e o Oes . fe zm t did he not himself, wh en s ecre t ar y fo r Ireland, pay among time population of that part of the country ;he did not "' in 1' nth Lord Trelawney P Let t' is country now pour its capi- think that there was anything in the south of Europe at all equal irto e ". sister country. Let Olean encourage and develope its to the misery existing in this part of Ireland, and this was its the ~anar resource )ai,,,y of En s: ,, and_ , Ireland would become the unfailing cou n ty of Tipperary —a county not poor by nature but of exuberant e l s ,e 4 th e - e'anu, as Sicily was . once of Rome. He fertility—where the soil was as luxuriant as that of any county in I lid Present measure as one of great utility to the people England—but where the people were in a state of absolute destitu. r. Ctd f o , ha an . d he begged to return his sincere thanks to the Noble tion from want of employment. He did not wish to treat this ..,, j., ' oeth in :tng brought it forward. Thetnglish capitalists would subject as a political question. The disturbed state of Ireland was i';ti t l'i . oir . e ° b Y it, and it was calculated to do great geed to Ireland. produced by agrarian distress; this agrarian - distress was occasioned e t. q .) Lord had alluded to the tranquillity of Ireland. He by the people being unpaid, and in many places out of employment, l l ' t ePs t o ih ru, ted chat the present measure was one of the first and out of this originated agrarian disturbances. If employment ?iNlr, r`"e accornplishment of so desirable an object. could be found for this population—not merely temporary, but per ttee a 't/ I c AS said that the Noble Lord had not given to the Cam- manent employment—he would ask if they were not taking the , ..._" 1 bo rth e e ea r indication of the course he intended to pursue as to best means for tranquillizing the country ? What was it, he would 'I ''e:ition,o7,r.riria.nd western parts of Ireland. The Noble Lord had ask, that prevented English capital from flowing into that country ? ti nes he,' -'1 Incidentally that there were two Acts in existence for The want of tranquillity. Were they not, then, by assenting to this ' th e be twee n . Ne, Dublin and Belfast. He wished to know what course grant, doing that which was for the good of Ireland—by furnishing 1,050,14),e Lord intended to take in case private individuals Pre- employmeot to the population, and consequently tranquillity to the G auss thrnenake, those two lines into one, from Dublin to Belfast, be- country . ? Was . it not better , to . spend this money in the tran. to tr 0, kn ow would not be a Commissioners' line. He wished quilization of this country by Miffing employment for the populas Veit of irei what course he intended to pursue with respect to the tion, than in paying police and troops ? He would just mention to ) lay out , ' Hi tt- lie knew that the Noble Lord did not propose the House the rate of wages in that part of Ireland. In some in. ° ., r . n t , pese ,anY Money in the %Vest of Ireland, but would be forward stances they were paid 7d., in others 6d., and in others as low as , ‘ .. 'e . st e ,:nose who were inclined to lay out their money in the sd. per day. He would ask Honourable Gentlemen whether i ai ie n .,,_" Was perfectly well known that there 1, th e des Who wer were many rich in. they . did not consider that any measure that would tend s p , sea i. e ready to advance their money to proceed with to introduce English capital into Ireland would be for the ' r d eh Ile thought it was necessary that the Noble benefit of that country ? This measure tended to give employment Il B e n i( ' give the House some indication of what he proposed to to the population—security . and tranquillity would be the conse_ ee , . .giurn and F ' '" lean a nd ranee were in advance of England in the con- quence; and security and tranquillity being once obtained, the intro_ l iens wa Management of railways ;in those countries duction of private capital would follow. He should therefore (hatthe intere n° danger of the public being sacrificed support this measure, believing it to be for the good of Ireland, i n _ et. ants .of the Railway Companies, because he believed even if he thought they should not get back half the money ad. ,tl,hose co'uvntr3iret,llill that was brought in for their construction in vanceal.—(Hear, hear.) ~.alei of fares , there was always a proviso with respect to the maxi. Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND was anxious to support the Go. 'tilisoeo such pr He considered that it would be highly advantageous vernmeut, and he hoped the House would not come to a division on a t t- cc'ontry, He n co were introduced into the Railway Acts in this subject as he should have some difficulty in giving his vote... He at t - e , a sufficient ben efit ug i i f tho ug ht theit a would xi in b e t wigivireigcethef Railway Compa : could not but recollect that this vote was probably but the beginning of obl: n e tY event cent. on the remmunerati- ng p price o . f ares f were fixed an expenditure which might, perhaps, eventually lead tosever . al mil_ hreaTeon obt e :i e trusted the lions , and that he should have to account for his vote te his con.inieu,li.infrm the House what he intended to do with stituents.—(Cheers . and laughter.) He could not but recollect the brd . t r h d western line and ho the northern line, for which Acts great difficulty he had experienced in explaining to the kr w satisfaction of Isis constituents his reasons for *consent. 1 0 go Clow Y sE Could not unde rs t an d w hy the branch line that was ing to the vote of 20,000,00,0/. for tlse purpose of getting 'tot , , i bel should stop there ? He could not see why it should rid of negro slavery; and he did not thick that, considering the 0.- to No ~lh_ . . Waterford. Perhaps the Noble Lord when he again ad- immense amount of our public debt a vote of the nature of the one t10„. 6 the House would state upon what groaind it hae stoPPeo now proposed would be allowed to pass without the strictest scru tiny. Ile did not think that this measure would be so advantageous Tint': SUN, LONDoN _ , to Ireland as had been imagined. capital. H e could not should not be fn''vantage to Engl an d b y findin " --/ '".....rrOads had been of great ad. employment for a large nmount of see why the plan adopted in E n gland countries, ...owed in Ir e l an d with equal advantage to both -• ..rd thereby English capital would have the advantage ~.oyment, and Ireland would derive the advantage of having ....aglish capital drawn into it. What Ireland wanted was not capital but security. Ireland wanted nothing so much as good Government. —(Cheers from the Opposition benches)—which she has been without for centures,—(Cheers from the Ministerial benches.) If security could be obtained II:1r Ireland site would be as pr. sperms as England is at present, as England ever was, or as E gland ever can be. But he did not believe it was necessary to go back to the old exploded systems of the Continental Go vernments of the Government undertaking all national works. If they imitated Belgium he did not see why they shOuld not imi tate France, and have the Government interfering in every specu lation. He hoped the question would be allowed to pass without any division, so that they might have an opportunity of well considering the question before they came to a vote, and of seeing what the public feeling was on the subject. If they laid out 2,000,0001. that might be followed by an expend:ture of B, o oo,ooo.—(Cries of " No, no.") Certainly Members on both sides of the House had said that if they commenced the speculation they must go through with it. All Government speculations turned out failures, whether in regard to canals in Scotland, or canals in Canada, and he hoped they would pause before embarking in a speculation of this sort.—(Hear.) Lord SANDON said that if he considered the enterprise would produce the results that had been predicted he would not hesitate to vote for embarking in it, however extensively it might be carried out; bat they ought to consider whether the expenditure proposed was the most likely to develop the resources of Ireland and he thought they had pretty good reason to believe that railroads were not the means of developing these resources. Were railroads used for the conveyance of agricultural produce, or for the co.;vey. ance of heavy burthens ? Every one knew they were not, and what was the produce of Ireland but agricultural produce ?—(Hear, hear, hear.) He thought they were putting the cart before the horse —making a frill before they had a shirt.—(A laugh.) They were asked to give the benefit of railroads to a society that wanted the most essential elements of civilizations. It was only two or three years ago, that a sum of between 1,5001. and 3,0001 was asked of the House for the purpose of developing the resources of the River Shannon, and to open the resources of ten counties for 150 miles. But hew were they met las the Chancellor of the Excequer of that time ? Why, he threw every difficulty in the way, and yet of em^ I a measure was now proposed for incurring an expense incalculably beyond that—a measure merely calculated for the carriage of persons and light goods. If they once began, they must'carry out the prin ciple, not only in those parts where there Was a chance of a return, but they must also carry it out in these parts of ,the country where the boldest Calculators expected no return whatever. And on whom would the burden be thrown ? Would the counties of Ireland come forward and bear the expense? Why should they ? What advan tage would the remote parts of the county of Cork or the county of Dcnegal, derive from railroads running through the most populous districts in Ireland. What right had they to charge those remote counties, that would derive no benefit, for the advantages that other counties would gaits ? (Hear.) If the Government were to propose an extensive measure to develop the water resources of Ireland, to open the Suir, the Barrow, and the Shannon, a measure which would be mole adapted to the interests of Ireland, he was sure the House would not be slow to enter into the conversion of a grant for such a purpose.—(Hear.) They ought to have ample time given them to consider a vote so extensive as this, arising out of the mania of the day in favour of railroads—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear")—and not adapted to the peculiar circumstances of the country to which it was to be applied, and ought not to come to a conclusion too hastily. He very much doubted whether it would be of any advantage to Ireland. If this system were to be adopted with regard to Ireland, it would have to be adopted in regard to Scotland, where thlt returns would be as uncertain as shey would be in the remoter parts of Ireland. Hedid not see what advantage could be expected by railroads in Ireland looking to the peculiar circumstances of the country, when they found in the country no profit arose except from the conveyance of passengers.—(Hear, and Divide, divide ) C..p:ain JONES wished to ask the Noble Lord the Secrctaay for Ireland, whether it was his intention to compel those counties through wiii:;ll the railroads would not pass, to contribute their quota; and if the Bill was to be so framed, what sum was it likely those counties would be answerable fur ? Mr. ASEITON YATES said tnat nearly half the profit of the Liverpool and Manchester Railroad arose from the carriage of coals and heavy goods. Lord SANDON—It was a mistake to suppose that the profits of railroads in this country depended upon the transit of heavy goods. He believed:that few if any coals were carried upon the Live:pool and Manchester Railway ; and he further believed that, with one exception, agricultural produce was not carried upon any railway in England. Mr. A. YATES, in answer to the Noble Lard, could only say that only last week the London and Southampton Railway Company had made extensive arrangements for carrying agricultural produce. With respect to the Carriage of coals on the Liverpool and Manches ter Railway, he would say that that carriage had increased every year since its establishment, which was not very likely if the Corn pany had no profit from the traffic. Lord J. RUSSELL would say only a very few words upon the question then, and those merely in consequence of what had fallen from the Noble Member for Liverpool. He seemed to say that the agricultural produce of Itelaud would not be carried by Rail. roads, and therefore that they were unnecessary for that country. Now the Commissioners had made their calculations, and found that 4i per cent, would be the returns from such Railroads, therefore the Noble Lord ought to have shown that their calculations were erroneous; but surely upon that, the first discussion of the mats ter, it was too much to set aside the whole inquiries and celcula- Gans of the Commissioners, upon the mere statement of the Noble Lord, that agricultural produce would not be so carried. He (Lord J. Russell) thought that the produce of Ireland might be brought to this country with much advantage by means of a Railway from Dublin to Cork.—(Hear, hear.) He could not Imagine that the railroads now existing in Ireland, with great advantage -to the country, and much advancement of its civilization; in fact he con sidered the railroads having been once introduced were essentially necessary for a country situated as Ireland Was.—(Cheers.) The Noble Lord said that at present there was a mania foe railroads—no doubt it was so, and necessarily, because it was found that they were the best great high roads from one place to another. It was on the same principle that the Goveruinent now proposed the vote, as the Hon. Gentlemen opposite had during the last century granted the money for opening the Highland-roads, and from that example the Government now found sufficient encouragement to propose the present advances. The question had not been fu Is discussed—it was new to the House, and Honourable Gentlemen required time to consider a question of such very great importance. Certainly, if such a case—so good a case— were made out to him (ran the civilization and improvement of Ireland, he for one would be very sorry to oppose it, without mature deliberation.—(Loud cries of Divide.) Sir D. ROCHE could give his evidence before the House on any Committee that the charge per ton for heavy goods by the Canal from Limerick to Dublin was twenty shillings, and the proposed charge by the Railway was only sixteen shillings. He was confident the traffic would greatly increase —(Divide, divide,) Lord MORPETII would cert., inly very shortly trespss upon the Committee, after the very full discussion - which the matter had already received that evening. He wog glad to find that the plan proposed by the Government haJ been censured only because it did not go far olough. He would be very well pleased that this plan of the Government should be so far successful as to enable them to come before the House again, and demand further power, but he teas pleased to see that the only fault found was that they did not go far enottgh.--(Cries of Hear, hear.) lie merely wished to assure those Members who thought this was a grant to Ireland, that if they attended either to his stweinent, or to the reso. lution, they would have found that it was nat proposed to grant a single farthing from the public funds under the provision of his proposition—that a single farthing could be imposed upon the funds of the empire, they calculated upon the profits Of the undertaking. —(Laughter) Gentlemen might laugh, but the calculations were such as they were justified in relying upon, and they made out' that the profits would at least be four per cent.-- (Hear, hear.) So chary were they not to touch a single 'farthing of English or Scotch money that they introduced a special prove. sion, so that if the profits of the works should be deficiete they imposed an assessment upon the Irish c‘ unties through which the Railway ran, in order to make up that deficiency. The Govern. meat were pursuing the same line of policy as was pursued by the Gentlemen opposite. In the former public works in Ireland they were secured by the Grand Jury Assessment, and were in the course bf repayment, and was the House of Commons now to be told that the credit of the empire should no longet be allowed to extend national improvement in Ireland ; if ;panted upon a security to guarantee . a part repayment of the money ? As for the remarks of the Noble Lord (the Member for Liverpool) he must say that he was astonished to hear the representative of a district so experienced in Railway affairs, and olio enlightened a town, condemning Railways in general.—(Oh, oh, and No, no.) Well, then, he was against Rail. ways which carried passengers only.—(No, no.) Yes, he deerecated those successful enterprises that had been spread over the country as the mania for railways. But he (Lord M.) slid not see why, if great benefit and profit were derived from railways, which carried passengers, only those lines should be objected to as regarded Ire land.—( Hear, hear). Supposing that as the Noble Lord had said railways were not able to compete with canals in the conveyance of heavy goods, he did not see still that those lines should be opposed on the ground of that inadequacy, The Noble Lord said, that generally speaking, heavy goods made but a small part of lie carriage of railway s,—that for instance, coal formed but a small article of freight. But he could inform him that the fares for the transfer of coal had been limited. On the Stockton and Leash= Railway, which was one of the most flourish. ing, being the conveyance of coals, formed one of the most profitable items of conveyance.' Did not the Noble Lord think that the conveyance of live cattle was a benefit ?--(Hear, hear.) Now this would be one of the principal sources of profit on the Irish railways. The Hon. Member for Monaghan asked what he proposed to do with the applicants for the erection of a line from Dublin to Castlebar. The answer of the Government to this is, that as that line would not come within their scheme they would not interfere; neither would they interfere with the pro jected lines from Dublin to Drogheda, and from Armagh to Belfast. If a Company should propose to extend a railway from Dublin to Drogheda, or from Armagh to Belfast, they should receive every fair play from the Government. The Hon. Member for Galway asked whether the proprietors of branch lines would receive any faci lity. He replied that they wou'd receive every facility, in proportion as their communications were likely to be profitable to the main trunk.—(Hear, hear.) He had listened to the recommenda tions of the Honourable Member for Tamworth with all the respect to which they were eminently entitled, and he was sorry to find that he was opposed to the scheme. That accommoda. tion was to the effect that after the experience of the benefit of railroads they had in England, why would they not leave those works to private competition in Ireland, as had been the case in England. His (Lord Morpeth's) answer was, that because so much had been done in England and soothing in Ireland, the Government Low found it time to adopt some means by which the State should exert itself to introduce into that country the benefit of a well organised system of railways. But he contended that the Right Hon. Baronet had not affected the demonstration which he (Lord M.) had laid before the House. If good effects had resulted in Belgium from the Govern ment of that State undertaking a line of railway, why should not it be also beneficial to do the same for Ireland ? The Right Hon. Baronet said, Can't you do in Ireland as we have done in England ? His answer was, the Government of Belgium have done better in their country than we have in England, and now we will imitate them in Ireland. The Government of Belgium had also established a cotton factory at Liege, and the best results had ensued. The benefits from the railroads in Ireland would be very considerable, although) for prudence sake they had been understated. He had but one remark more to make. The Right Hon. Baronet had laid great stress upon that part of the Report that referred to Mr. Itianconi, and stated that great injustice would be done to that enterprising capitalist by the proposed line. N ow he (Lord Mor. e i l assure the Right Hon. Baronet th a t th at gentleman, ,vih capital to such extent involved, was o ne o f the etronges y of this measure.—(Cheers.) He wished now t h at no further delay or opposition would be given for leave to bri ne in a alt oi:)chadactud s c to Bill, and then the subject would be most amply considered. Thi s the co statementsn et s s onss:as o d f u t e h e t o c t o h nn e n, is important oners — nature o ot the the e int e s i s c o to s jteic,f Irelandt,-4i the Lo rgdr eatthen mass v o e f d I f r o i s r h p l‘ e l r e i n i g b s e i r o s n u t ) o w in p r a c k s c e n thea— ( s C p h e ce iefir d) grant.'sl 'hde due N o Nob t o e _ . . Strangers were then ordered to withdraw; but the gallery was re-opened again in a few minutes, and on our re-admission we found Lord S ANDON on his legs, stating that he had been desired by several Hon. Members on that side of the House to reque that the Noble Lord would not decide upon the subject that night, as they were desirous not to throw cold water upon the discussion of the subject. Mr. O'CONNELL said, if the Bill was not brought in, he would pledge himself to introduce a clayse, that the Bill should not come into operation till ev ery one of the Grand Juries of the counties through which the line passed, should have assented to the terms mentioned. he wished the llouse to do was, to give a future opportunity of deciding the question, and that they should not now et once give any final vote, which 'would decide whether the grant should be made nor net. If the House allowed the matter to be further considered he ho:wd it would be looked at as a question affecting the improvement of Ireland. Sir E. KNATCHBULL said if any warmth had taken place it did not come from that side of the House. If the Noble Lord in sisted upon going to a division, be should be compelled to vote against hint Strangers were then ordered to •NithilraW. On a division the numbers were : For the resolution 144 Against it Majority --44 Mr. GOULBURN desired that the resolution should be post poned till Friday, which we understood to be agreed to. MUNICIPAL CORPORATION (IRELAND) BILL. Lord MORPETH moved the second reading of this Bill, Mr. GOULBURN said he had no objection to the motion pro vided the Committee Was deferred to a period when Members con nected with Ireland would be able to attend in their places. The assizes were now going on in Ireland, and would last for a consider able period, from which circumstance many Members would be prevented from attending at present. Sir R. INGLIS said he should oppose the motion, especially at that late hour of the night —(Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) Sir ROBERT BA TESON said he had presented that evening a petition from Dublin, signed by 1,000 persons, against this Bill. He had been looking in vain; for some years, for a Bill which should reform Municipal Corporations in Ireland, or abolish them entirely— (Hear, hear)—but this Bill would take the power from the Protestants, and put it into the hands of the Roman Catho'ics — (Cheers from thd Opposition) He called upon the Protestants of Great Britain) and especially of Ireland, to rally round him to oppose this measure, which he believed was the first of a series of attempts to beat down the Protestant Church.— (Cheers from the Opposition, and ironical cheers from the Ministerial side.) Ile felt the necessity of making a final stand against further concessions —(Renewed interruptions, in the midst of which Lord Dungannon and Mr. Blackstone rose, and conceiving the Rots. Member to have finished, remained on their legs for some moments, tilt they were called to order amidst loud laughter.) When be heard of the appointment to the Lord Lieutenantcy of Ireland, of a Nobleman (immense cheering from the opposition) who had made a speech in th it House to the effect that he wished the war against the Irish Church to continue (cheers from the same quuarter) he (Sir R. Bateson) felt it to be his duty to oppose any further con. cersions which might lower the power of Protestantism in that unfortunate Country.—(Cheers.) It was time for the Protestants of Ireland to look to themselves. —(Loud laughter from the Minis terialists, which was increased by the circumstance of Col. Perci vat's walking into the House at the same time.) He called upon the Noble Lord not to press this specious measure at such a late hour as half-past 11.—(11ear. bear.) Lord DUNGANNON said if no other Member would divide the House against the Bill he would. He believed the Bill to be an insidious attempt to put down Protestantism in Ireland, a measure by which evenhanded justice was not to be dealt out, but one class of the populatiou were to be scanda:ously oppressed.—(Cheers from the Opposition—`• Oh, oh," from the Ministerialists.) Mr. FIUME inquired if the petition of which the Hon. Barone! (Sir It, Bateson) had spoken was not a petition agreed to at a public meeting in Dublin , at which the Lord Mayor presided. Lord CASTLEREIGH—Sir, I rise to order—that is not the luestion before the House.—(Cries of " Order") The SPEAKER said something inaudible to us. Lord CAS MERE A the Hon. Member is asking a ques ;ion about a petition.—(" Order, order.") Mr. HUME repeated his question. Sir ROBERT BATESON—When the Hon. Member sits down I will answer him Mr. HUME sai I that at the meeting to which he referred a resolution was pawed to the effect that the miseries of Ireland were to be attributed to a system wh ch was idolatrous and damnable, and that where property existed, there was nothing but anarchy and confusion. The 'ley. Mr. Gregg, who seconded the resolution, stated that Mr. O'Connell complained of tl.e poverty of Ire. land, but he (Mr. Gregg) declared that the curse of God w•as on the' law, and read the Nth chapter of Deutero nomy, as descriptive of the state of Ireland. Now he (Mr. Hume) had referred to that chapter—(Roars of laughter)—and in the 16th verse, he found these words," Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shal thou be in the field; cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. The Lord shall make the pestilence come unto thee, until it consumeth thee off the land, whither thou goest." He now asked the Noble Lord, if that was language which ought to be applied to any party ? —(Cries of " Hear.") When the people of Ireland saw the Lord Mayor presiding, and Clergymen proposing such resolutions, what must be their feelings ? and he must leave it to the House to judge who were the parties who produced anarchy and confusion ? Did the Noble Lord think that the Catholics of Ireland could be exterminated ? Such proceedings could do no credit to anyl Protestant :assembly. He cou:d tell the Noble Lord that these Gentlemen had much to answer for—if similar resolutions had been ag , eed to by Catholic as snblies twenty times as numerous, what would be the feeling of the Protestants of Ireland? Sir ROBERT BATESON had never heard of the petition which the Hon. Member with his general accuracy, and good information, had referred to. He had never heard the slightest rumour of such a petition. . _ Mr. HOME—Here it is (showing a newspaper). Sir ROBERI' BATESON—The Hou. Member might have been intrusted with such a petition.—(Cries of " Ohl" and laughter.) The petition he hal presented Was signed by 1,042 inhabitants of Dublin, not at any public meeting.—(Cheers front the Ministerial side of the House, re-echoed by cheers from the Opposition benches.) There was no quoting, or misquoting, or any pre fanation of Scripture in it. If the Honourable Member wished it he would read it.—(Cries of " Read, read," Order," and much confusion.) The Honourable Baronet then read the petition, which stated that the measure for the introduction of municipal corporations is calculated to transfer the power from the friends of the Protestant reli g ion and British connection to the enemies of those principles which had placed the House of Bruns wick on the Throne.—(The Honourable Baronet was frequently errupted by cries of " Chair," "Spke, spoke," &c.) Lord CASTLEREAGH was very glad his Hon. Friend had an. swered the question, because it had brought back the House to the matter before it, which was whether the bill should be passed?— (An Hon. Member near the Noble Lord said, " It is the order of the day for the second reading.") That was quite lm naterial.—(Much laughter.) He would ask the lion. Member opposite whether he thought the recent appointment of the Nobleman who filled the office of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.—(Cries of " Question.") The Hon. Member had referred to the Bible, to the chapter of Deuteronomy, and asked were they going tti exterminate the Catholics of Ireland. He (Lord Castlereagh) would ask him whether it was intended to put down the Protestant Church by that appointment to the Lord Licutenantcy ?—(Tory cheers.) He would rather net have al luded to the subject, but it was now matter of history.—(Much laughter.) If no other Hon. Member would do it, lie would move for a copy of the oath taken by the Lord Lieutenant on his ap pointment. He would ask whether such an appointment was likely in any degree to strengthen the Protestant Church in Ireland C— (lrmiical cheers from the Ministerial li,nclics ) They might think to put away the question by the cheers of their supporters in that House, but in Ireland the nomination would be heard with dismay. There was but one feeling with respect to that appointment— that it was " a heavy blow and a great discouragement" to the Pro_ testant religion in Ireland. The appointment of the NoWe Lord war almost the strongest measure that could hate been expected ei•e!l froth the Hon. Gentleinan opposite. Lord J. RUSSELL was in hopes, alter whet had passed last year that they were all agreed as to the general principle of the Bill. He had understood from the debate that had taken place during se. veral nights in this House, that with ref3ard to the Irish Corpora_ tions the principle was admitted there should be a Reform of these Corporations, and the great point in dispute was relative to the amount of his frat:chlse, and , that, and various other details could only be discussed in Committee. But it seemed that a new ground of opposition was to be taken to. night, and that the whole Bill was to be disputtd, on principle. He had understood that the question as to the destruction of the Corporations had been long since settled, and questions of detail he thought wont,' be _best diseussed in Committee. With regrrd to the question that had been raised respecting the . _ absence of Members on the Circuit, he had no objection to consent to going into Committee, if there were time EVENING EIYITION,-M_Aji: CH 2, 1830. opposite justifj and adopt his expressiot! upon a subject of vital im portance ? DO2B the Noble Lord adopt t...'nse expressions Lord JOHN RUSSELL stated that he had nothing to do with them. Mr. Sergeant JACKSON—sDid the Noble Lord 5" he had nothing to do With then/ Did he not unders. Noble Lord to say that he adopted them ? He shout,. like•en . d the to see if the Noble Lord would hare the cour,:le tO adopt and repeat those sentiments in spite of w.:`ici? he has introduced on this subject—(Loud cheering VOrre the' eipp?sx: - thin,) It was such language as no individual ever 4intdred' ft 4 hold on such a question.—(Cheers.) He would read the sPe'edi of the Noble Lord. (Here the Learned Sergeant redd the oft-quoted passage from Lord gheington's speech of last year.) Does the Noble Lord adopt this language? Did the Noble Lord bring forward his Bill not for the purpose of setting this question at rest, but for the purpose of making the war against the Protestant Church in Ireland more formidable than ever. Does my Noble Lord intend to wage war against the Protestant Church of Ireland? Was he prepared to declare war against the Church of England also ?—(Loud cheering.) Are not the Protestant Churches of England and Ireland united ? Does the Noble Lord dare to wage war against the Church of England ? and was it fit or decent to say to that country, after a period of gross misgovernment—(Cheers) —the effect of which had been to disjoint the whole of society, to render life and property insecure—(Loud ghee' ing, which drowned the remainder of the sentence)—was it tit to appoint to the Government of that country an individual who had made such a speech as this ? What effect must such an appointment have on the people of Ireland.—(Cheers.) Must it not, on the one hand, discourage the loyal add Protestant population of that country—(Cheers) ; and on the other, en courage the machinations of the disioyal and disaffected.—(Loud cheering.) Would it notjincrease the attacks of the Precursor Saciety, and of the agitators? What other effect could it produce ?—(Mr. ,O'Con nell here made a very significant gesture, upon which the Hon. and Learned Sergeant exclaimed)—l don't mind those gesticulations.— (Great langhter.) Mr. O'CONNELL—Nor do I mind. It's no attack on me.— (Cries of " Order, order," from the Opposition Benches.) Mr. Sergeant JACKSON—The Hon. and Learned Gentleman has no right to 'gesticulate in that way.—(Roars of laughter) I should be sorry to transgress the rules of order and decorum— (Laughter)—it is not my habit to do it, and I would not have eon, descended even to take notice of the Hon. and Learned Gentlemen, if he had thought proper to interrupt me in the regular way.— (Laughter.) The Hon. and Learned Sergeant then said, to return to the subject of debate, he would ask what would be the effect in Ireland of such an appointment ? He would ask the Noble Lord whether it was reasonable to expect that men should be prepared to go along with him in his proposition for the establishment of Municipal Corporations in Ireland; on tt different fooling, and thereby increasing the power of a certain pdtty to " wage war," against the Church in Ireland, Was it reasonable for the Noble Lord to expect that he would be supported in a measure of such a kind immediately after making such an ap pointment? He would conclude his observations by moving that the House do now adjourn, because he thought it right that this question should be brought forward at a time when full discussion might take place.—(Cheers.) Sir li. INGLIS rose to second the motion, when some Hon. Member on the Conservative benches must vociferously cried out " Chair, chair, outer, order," which created immense laughter. The Hen. Bart. said he would not yield to cries of order, whether they proceeded from one side of the House or the other, unless he was called to order by Mr. Speaker.—(Bear, hear, hear.) He would take the liberty of saying that when the Noble Lord the Secretary for Ireland moved the Order of ti e day for the second reading of the Irish Municipal Corporation Bill, he rose h the hope that the Noble Lord would not press such a motion. His Right Hon. Friend the Membe: for the University of Cambridge, with whom it always gave him groat pain to differ, rose and wished that some compromise might be made, and that the Bill might be allowed to pass the second reading, but that some time should elapse before it went into Committee. To that he (Sir Robert Inglis) could not agree, but he had hoped that some understanding would be come to, not that the Committee should be postponed till alter Easter, but that the second reading should be postponed. He stated this in justice to his Hon. Friend the Member for the county of Londonderry, and his Hon. Friend the Member for the University of Dublin. One observation only, with reference to the late appoint ment. A complaint had been made that this appointment had been quesloned, for the purpose of taking the earliest opportunity to create a prejudice. If they had waited till a later period, the Noble Lord would have had good reason for saying why had nothing been said until the Noble Viscount had gone to Ireland ? His Noble Friend the Member for the county .)f Down, had more reason to remember than any one, that a Noble person had scarcely been appointed to a most important office, before advantage was sought to be taken of a speech made in another place as a sufficient disqualification for the office.—(Loud cheers.) The course that had been taken was as fair to the Noble Viscount, who had been appointed as it was then to the Government —(Hear) —and in conclusion, he begged to second the motion, that the House do now adjourn. Lord J. RUSSELL said the Hon. and Learned Member for Bandon had by no means correctly represented what he had stated in the House. The Hon. and Learned Member had read something from a newspaper or from some Report, and had said those were sentiments which he ( Lord J. Russell) had said he meant to abide by. Mr. Sergeant JACKSON—From the " Mirrror of Parliament."— (Cries of '• Order; order.") Lord J. RUSSELL said that as to those words in the "Mirror . _ of Parliament," he neither concurred in them, nor did he adopt any one of the expressions. What he had said was, that he thought there ought. to be a reduction in 04 revenues of the _ _ Irish Church Establishment, and that those reductions would be better effected by the Irish Tithe Bill than in any other way. With respect to the sentiments that had been alluded to, he had only said that he agreed with them so far as this—that he thought that the revenues of the Church of Ireland might be properly reduced, He did not say even that he concurred in that, nor did he even now concur in the sentiments that that Bill was likely to produce any agitation. His opinion at the time 'he Bill was introduced, and his opinion still was, that that Bill was more likely to settle difficulties than to raise further contention.—(Hear, hear.) As a measure of peace he had introduced it, and as a measure of peace he still regarded ) Mr, BLACKSTONL•' was glad to bear the Hon. Baronet, the Member for the Univer,ity of Oxford declare that he would take the sense of - the House on the motion for postponing the second reading. He trus'ed the Noble Lord would not at this time of night go into a dis. cussion of a general qtrcstion. Although he had watched the Bil for three years. he had never bad an opportunity of expressing his sentiments, although he had not on former occasions been able to concur with his friends in voting for the abolition of Corpo• rations.—(Hear, hear.) He conceived these Corporations were instituted originally for Protestant purposes, and he was un. willing that those Frincipks should be passed over Witholit discussion. He did not wish to enter into the topics which had been discussed that night, but he did hope the Noble Lord would give them an opportunity' of discussing the merits of that Bile—(heer, hear.) Mr. MAX WELL teee einidet loud cries of " Divide, divide." He promised the House the hand of tile Clock slicnilti not teeth the quarter (it then being 10 minutes past IC) before he finished lee observations. De disclaimed against being any party to the understanding to which the Noble Lord had hear.) He came into that House attached to no party.— (Cries of " Oh, oh.) His principles were pre eminently Con servative—(Loud laughter)—but he was the representative of a large and, populous county in Ireland, and he repreeented the feelings and wishes of nine-tenths of the Protestants of Ireland, with reference to the subject before the House.—(oh, oh, and latiehter ) He meant to say that it was tile feeling of the Protestants in that they would never consent to those Corporations, one of the principal objects of which were to protect the rates and institutions, being the means of transferring power into the hands of the Roman Catholics, Mid he tenecred his hearty thanks to those English and Irish Members who had taken this subject in hand.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. SIIIEL said the Hon. Baronet the Member for the Univer sity of Oxford had announced that lie would take the Sense of the House on this question. The Noble Lord who followed hied pledged himself to take the same course. The lion. Baronet the Memb'ir for Londonderry and the Noble Lord the Memb r for Down, he understood, had determined to adupt the same course of proceeding. Might he venture to ask how it came to pass that they had taken such a step in the absence of their leader, the Itight fon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth ?—(Cheers, and Hear.) fe was sorry if he had given offence to the Noble Lord opposite ; Colonel PERCIVAL—But will they give their assent?—(hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL—I will bring in a clause at all events. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the present subject was not one that was calculated to excite passion.—(Hear, hear.) All , .. . before Easter, or ifa sufficient number of Members could not attend but allusion hail often been made to a compact made upon that before, he would then defer it until after Easter, but as for affirming side of the House, therefore he might be might be excused, that he the principle of the Bill, he wished the House to affirm it to-night. (Mr. S) in speaking of the Right lion. Member for Tamworth, The House hae frequently affirmed it before, and he saw no reason fillottld speak of him as of the party. He was only speaking which should induce them to refuse to affirm it on the present of a notorious fact when he said that on this question they were occasion. The Hon. Baronet., the Member for Londonderry, had entering on a compact body, and came forward in consequence of a objected to the Bill because he thought the persons returned previous determination.—(Cries of 'f No, no.") Then he was to as Burgesses to serve in the Town Council would be understand that this was an isolated ca , e—he presumed that this Roman Catholics. Why, if the majority of the electors was an an open question on the other side of the House.—(A laugh.) were Roman Catholics, and the majority of those in whom they But after all, it was not to the Ministers that such strange adula. placed confidence were Roman Catholics likewise, he would say let tions should be addressed. It ought to be to the Right Hon. them elect a majority of Roinan Catholics if they liked.—( Loud Member for Tamworth, for he had stated that on this occasion he cheering.) If the majority in any town were Protestants, and would not oppose the second reading of the Bill. His words Wad those who enjoyed the contieltnee of the electors were also Protes. that the Corporation Bill had teen brought forward over and over tants, let there be a Protestant majority; but, for his part he would again. It had been passed by large majorities—they found that Oa never consent to make any distinction between a respectable and public mind had been made up in favour of the Bill—and in short loyal Roman Catholic, and a respectable and loyal Protestant. we must give way.—(Cheers.) We must give way—these were his Th3t was the principle of the present Bill, and from that principle words; th .t was Isis understanding ; was that not the understand he would not depart.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Bart. and the Noble ing of the Hon. Gentleman on the other side of the House? but Lord had r ferred to : two other subjects. The Hon. Bart. had made that was not all—had they not the pledge of the Duke the wonderful discovery that this Administration, like other Admi. of Wellington ? Did he not say, " Settle time Tithe question —pass nistrationi which proceeded it, must hold its station in that House in the Poor.law Bill, and I will do my best to carry the Corporation consequence of the vacs of its supporters.—(Cheers and laughter. Bill ?—(Loud cheers.) In the absence of the Right Honourable the Right Honourable Now, he would admit to th e H on. B art. an d t h e N o ble Lord, that at Member for Tamworth he would ask long es that House was di v id e d , as l ong . as there was a sonority Member for the University of Cambridge (Mr. Goulburn), as the and a majority, and administration to stand, must depend on th e most conspicuous of the party present, whether he did not feel him vole. of the majority, and that majority must be constituted by its self bound--whether he meant to divide upon the second reading of supporters—(Cheers and Laughter)—and he was quite as ready to this Bill—he had been silent upon the occasion ?—(No, and laughter.) receive the support of the Roman Catholic Members of that House, Well, he would ask the Noble Lord, the Member for Lancashire as to accept the support of those with whom the Right lion. Bart. (Lord Stanley) or the Hon. Member, for he forgot where—but he was :n the habit of acting, and who he believed had for many years who was Member for Cumberland—(Loud laughter)—whether they pst constituted an exclusive and intolerant party.—(Loud Cheers would be in a division upon that question after such a from the Ministerial benches). He would now allude to the appoint_ declaration ? Let them have a division.—(Cheers.) Let scent which had recently taken. place, of Lord Eorington, them not shrink from it.—(Cheers.) He had heard it to the office of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland. He was not again and again—Conservative Members say, that they would move disposed to refuse his share for the responsibility of the appoint- amendments upon this and that measure—that they would move a ment.— (Loud cheers) Ile had the pleasure of knowing Lord . vote of censure, but they had never fulfilled their promises —there Ebrington for many years, anti those who knew him would agree the chalenge had been given, and he challenged them to persevere in ' that a man of higher character—(Loud cheering) —or purer their motion.—(Loud cheers.) They had departed from the public principles did not exist.—(Loud and continue' cheers.) question now under consideration, and had gone into that or one more sincerely devoted to the Protestant religion.—(Cheers.) on the appointment of Lord Ebrington. (Hear, bear, u ovot n ed ot to be th d o isp support ted o ft becausee P An allusion had been made to a speech of that Noble Lord's last hear.) Now it might strike the House that those who year, the purport of which he believed he had stated at the time were opposed to the appointment of the Noble Lord, had the op ro he. character WouldW ould nolitoaiti manyha‘• have been o f themtli e possessed?—(Cheers.) s od best—the ? _.. course (ch ee m , s o . s ) t worthy had been misunderstood. Surely could d he attachment of that Noble portunity of addressing her Majes y to rescind that appointment. testant Church of Ireland were too large. Surely the Noble Lord had it, instead of dealing in insinuations °t Let t. h t them e of m t do he a right to entertain the opinion that the Protestant Church of Ireland Lord CASTLEREAGH—Facts, facts. w Lo os id of to o was too rich to perform with advantage the duties which devolved Mr. SHlEL—lnstead of dealing in insinuations, let them, in. upon it, and that, if a contest upon n ect of tithes must be car- stead of dividing upon time Second Reading of that Bill, divide the arried o j i t , l i t i e n °ri Protestantthe the religionrevenues e E e l ried on, it was better it shou by the rich, who could House upon the appointment of the Noble Lord.—(Cheers.) tha d l o n afford to carry it on. n Y the poor who could Had the Gentlemen opoosite forgot the letter which had not; and that, as he understood,. was Di the substance of the been produced in the House of Lords, dated April, 1834 observations of the Noble Lord . 1 d Ito say that because —a letter from Lord Anglesea, then the Lord Lieutenant of his Noble Friend was of opinion that the revenues of the Ireland to Lord Grey, then tle Prime Minister, and at a time when that, Irish Church should be reduced, therefore. he was an the Noble Lord, the Member for North Lancashire (Lord Stanley)— unlit person to hold the office of Lord Lieutenant? Why he which contained words in which it was stated, amongst other tl • iings, had frequently himself held those opinions, and stated them in that that the Establishment had always exceeded the religious wants or House. Ile had frequently stated his opinion that a portion of the the people, and that a maintenance of it, in its then present state, revenues o f t h e Ch u rch o f I re l a nd ought to be a ppropriated to the would only lead to anarchy and confusion, and a bad feeling among moral and religions education of the people of Irel and. Lord Ebrington the Irish people—that It would be the commencement of a struggle held similar opinions, and had stated th em in th at House, and he with the Irish people. That was to be found in 23 Hansard, page could not consider tha t these opinionswerere any disqualifi ca ti on :43—th a t w a s the language of Lord Anglesca to the P r i me Mi n i ster, for the office of a Lord Lieutenanttended v o f Ireland. H e held when the No b le L or d , th e Member f or S out h L ancash i re, was Seere those opinions because h e thou g ht they to gi ve stability and tary for Ireland. He must h ave had a perfect knowledge of sucurity to the Protesta nt Church. These opinion s were held in the facts and statements made in that letter, and yet lie did not common by himself an d Lord Ebrington, and them the and he thought Lord resign. Would he then vote against the appointment of the Noble would be as fully justified by giving Ebrington support of i Lord ?—(Cheers ) his he had s vote in the House o f Lords, as been in the House of Lord CASTLERE AG H. —As lie had been appealed to by the Commons,—(Loud cheer ing.) The exercise of the authority of Hon. and Learned Member, he begged to state in answer— her Majesty i n t h a t co untry, had been delegated to the Noble The SPEAKER.—The Hon. Member is out of order. If every Lord, amid he was perfectly willing to take his full share Member was to answer an appeal made to him, there would be no h of responsibility in that appointment. Althot: go an opportunity had end to it. been taken—the earliest opportunity possi ble—(Loud cheering) i Mr. O'CONNELL conceived that the Noble Lord was per. to excite a prejudice against his Noble Friend. —(Immense cheer- ' fectly in order, because since he had last addressed the house a ing) -- yet when his Noble Friend became know n to the people motion for an a dj ourn ment of the House had beets made. of Ireland he could not believe th t h at e ex pression of his opi n i on 1 The SPEAKER—If the Noble Lord claims his right to in favour of devoting these reve :ues to th e advantage of the address the house in consequence of a new motion, People of Ireland— (Hear, hear) —instead of to the support of a he was no doubt perfectly in order. He (the Speaker) was only small minority—he cou ld not believe that his giving endeavouring to preserve the order of the House.—(Hear.) expression to that opinion w ould at all lessen his Noble Friend i Lord CASTLEREAGH was always most ready to bow to the in the estimation of the people of Ireland.-- (The Noble Lord sat authority of the Chair ; but as it was decided he was in order, he which lasted som e t i ne.) : begged to state that in his place in that House, as a Member a down amidst loud cheering, Sergeant JACKSON regretted exceedingly toat the Noble Lord for that constituency, he owed no duty or allegiance to any chief had not yielded to the suggestion which had been thrown out, that or party, except so long as they were endeavouring to pursue a it wo u ld h e b etter not to bring this q u estion forward at t h at l ate course that was beneficial to those constituents. He did not see hour of the night. They had been wandering f rom the question exactly the point upon which .he was appealed s to, but he would before the House.—(llcar, hear.) Perhaps this was one conse. do his duty in that House withot those n oso honet intentiona and he question at that inconvenient hour. No trusted with the approbation who sent . him there.. queue° of pressing the perfectly • • justified in opposing person here or elsewhere could impugn the moral character of He conceived that he was Lord Ebri ng t on —no 'one could ve ntur e to impugn th e c h a . th e s econd reading of the Bill, because it was unusual to bring on racter of that Noble Lord — (Che ers)—he b elieved that no one a motion of such paramount importance either for the convenience possessed a higher c h ara cter than that individual —(Loud of the Government or their friends. cheering) —but he much regretted to hear the Noble Lord Mr. LEFROY rose amidst loud cries of " Question, question." Did mat the Hon. and Learned Gentleman see that there was not Rho slightest analogy between the letter which he had read and the s oee, lb which had been addressed by the Noble Lord now appointed , Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, to that House. ;Mr. Sergeant LEFROY said there was a great difference between the two cases. The letter from the Marquis of Anglesea was a con. fidential communication to his Secretary—the statement of Lord Earington was a public speech. It should further be remembered that Lord Anglesea wrote his letter long before ten bi. shoprics had been reduced from the Irish Church, and before its s .ernporalities had been relieved by 250,0001. There was therefore parallel between the cases. He must affirm that the declaration xtie Noble Viscount was a great objection to his entering upon ^ernment of Ireland.—(Loud cries of "Question, question.") 0". Strattlt.. 's were then ordered to withdra w , an d t h e H ouse divided 'on of Sergeant Jackson. The num b ers were— upon the tflft.. • , motion For Ps% Againe Majority 96 ,ry we found On our return to the gals. Lord J. RUSSELL then nu —ing that the Orders o f th e D ay b e ~ now read. An HON. Mamma moved an aujourns.., ent. • - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQI).. R said it wef inopos s ; ble that the Orderoof the Day should be postpont• Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Order of the Day Mtni be read, for the purpose of postponing it. If any Hon. Member would make that Motion, then the House would divide upon that. Lord STORMONT said the question was, whether the Order of the Day should now be read. Now, he would move that it be post poned till Wednesday. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that could not be done, because the question then would be whether the Bill should Eye read now or •on Friday.—(Laughter.) If such a proposition had come from that side of the House it would have been called a hull.—(Laughter, and cries of " Question I") The SPEAKER—The difficulty is to get a question. Colonel SIBTHOR PE thought the difficulty in which the House stns placed might be got rid ofby his moving that the House do now adjeurn to Monday.—(Hear, and laughter ) Mr. C. HULLER—(The Opposition Members appearing not to know what course to pursue)—Begged to address one word of friendly warning to the gentlemen on the other side of the House. See what terrible scrapes you get into by acting without your IVader.—(Great laughter.) The House then divided on the ques tion that it should adjourn to Monday, when there appeared— Far the adjournment 6l A g :inst it ik;:iorit} against the adjournment —B6 ' • Lord J. RUSSE:•L said that he would (seeing the course deter mined to be pursued by lion. Members opposite) consent to post_ pone the Bill till Frida cheers from the Opposition.) Lord J. RufigELL then more 4 that the House at its rising do aciJoVrri till Monday,—Agreed to. CANADA. On Mr. HUME for returns of all corres,"ondence between Sir F. Head while Goaftlnor of Upper Canada, ant: the Colonial Office— Mr. LA BOUCHERE said he must oppose the motion. Mr. HUME said the House must have these, returns—OLe.arj— and he postponed the motion till Friday. CHIEF SECRETARYSHIP OF IRELAND. Colancl SIBTIIOIIPE gave notice that when the Hon. Member for Kilkenny brought on his motion as to the Lord Licutenantcy of Ireland (which Mr. Hume had fixed for Friday next) he would move a reduction in the Secretary for !Maud's salary —(Laughter.) _ _ The other Orders having been disposed of; the House adjourned at a QUARTER-PACT ONE. SOUTHAMPTON DOCKS. The fifth half-yearly meeting of the Directors and Pro prietors of the Southampton Dock Company took place on Wednesday. at the George and Vulture Tavern, George-yard, Lombard -street. At half-past twelve JOSEPH LIGGINS, Esq., Chairman of the Board of Direc tors, took the Chair, and having read the advertisement calling the meectiag, and the minutes of the proceedings of the last meeting having been read by Mr. LUARD, The meeting was subsequently addressed by Mr. Hall, of Liverpool, Mr. Heathfield, Mr. Richards, Mr. Luard, and other gentlemen. The Chairman t hen read the Report as follows: REPORT. The Directors have to announce to the Proprietors the following changes in their body since the last .meeting, namely, the election of Henry Luard and Patrick Cruik shank, Esqrs , of this city ; and of James Bent, William Hill, and Charles Frederick Smith, Esqrs., of Manches ter, to the office of Directors, in lieu of Mr. Henry Buchan, Mr. Samuel Chaplin, Major Head, Mr. Richard Ileathfield, and Mr John Hinxman, who have resigned ; and in conformity with the Act of Incorporation they have furthcr to state that it devolves upon this Half-yearly Meeting to elect three Directors, in lieu of Mr. Bushby and Mr. Luard, who go out in conformity with the Act of Incorporation, but who are eligible, end offer themselves for re-election, and Mr. Le Fcuvre, who has resigned. Although the Directors cannot yet report any material progress in the works at Southampton, they have in con formity with the recommendation of the Proprietors, ex pressed at their last half-yearly meeting, takrn the first step, by laying the foundation stone of the western dock, on the 12th of October last ; they have also commenced the building of the wall for the enclosure of the dock land on its western boundary, and have likewise taken the first steps towards the construction of a coffer dam, prepara tory to making the dock entrance. Considerations highly important to the interests of the Company have, however, arisen, which, independently of the incomplete state of the subscription of the capital, and of the winter season, have rendered the Directors less anxious to press forward the works. The steam engine and the paddle wheel have, more particular ly during the last few months, arrested the attention of the whole of the civilized and commercial world, and claimed the best at• tention of the Company. The Directors have, therefore, deemed it indispensably necessary in any plan for laying out the dock ground, to combine accommodation fur steam vessels, more extensively than previously contem plated. This has led to inquiries not yet completed. but which cannot fail to result in satisfactory evidence of the peculiar adaptation of the situation of the Company's pos session for all the purposes required by that Class of shipping, To make this su i l , 4 ject plain it may be proper to draw the attention of the -roprietors to the distinction between docks open at all times to the flux and rcflux of the tide, and cr.osn docks. Docks open to the action of the tide, if of sufficient depth for the floatage of ship ping, pc3sess adrantages which, more especially with re ference to steam navigation, cannot be too highly appre ciated, and for the following reasons The comparative cheapness of construction, neither locks nor gates being required. 2. The width of the entrance, to which the considera tion of shelter is the only limitation. 3. The facility of ingress and egress at all times. 4. The accommodation which such docks would afford to any branch of trade not seeking the advantages peculiar to close docks. 3. The accommodation to be afforded by the open or tidal dock, considered as an entrance basin to the close docks. Such is the relative position of the Company's land, that any part of the site may be laid out in tidal ducks, with a depth at the entrance, low water, spring tides, vary from twelve to twent, feet. The advantages of this situation must, therefore, be obvious; but it may not be extensively known, that these meant of Accommodation for trade and passage are un equalled in any British port ; the tidal or entrance basins throughout the kingdom being dry or nearly so, at low water. This fact merits the best attention of the Proprietors of this Company, of commercial men generally, and of the . country at large. The Directors have already received Intimations of the desire of many powerful parties, either already engaged in steam navigation, or contemplating its application lo the intercourse between this country and the two Continents of America, the West and East Indies, to ascertain the precise nature of the accommodation the Co mpany may be enabled to afford to steam-vessels, especially to those of the largest class ; and this having brought the matter home to the reflection of the Directors, they have ascertained that, mithout interfering with the appropria tion of ample space for close docks, with warehouses, two tidal docks ear) ing in size may be constructed, each on the side of the Itch: is. The larger, on the south, to contain twenty acres of eater, with twenty feet, low water, spring tides. The smaller, on the northern extremity in the int • mediate proximity of the London and South am p ton Rail way Station, with approaches to the town of Southampton, and firm ground fur the constructions of sheds and warehouses, to contain not less than ten acres of water, with fourteen feet, low writer, spring tides. Whether . it may ultimately he considered necessary to make both of these docks, it must be left to the course of events to de termine. Of the propriety of forming one of them, there can be no doubt, but which of the two , a nd when it may be proper to enter upon the work of the firs t, the Directors cannot yet decide. They await the opinion of two expe rienced engineers, to whom they propose to re fer u p on this head, as well as to the merits of the plan, for the final ap propriation of the whole of the dock land, the plans for which are now submitted. Slaving in their previous Reports drawn the attention of the Proprietors, exclusively, to the Western Dock, the Directors beg to add, that the suggestions new offered, do not interfere with the plan of the proposed Western Dock, unless, as is probable, it should be found more convenient to make the entrance lock east and west, from the southern tidal dock, instead of north and south, from Southampton water. Should that alteration be determined on, the con struction of the southern tidal dock, and the western dock may proceed simultaneously, or the latter may be some what postponed to the former. Should the ground be thus appropriated to two tidal and one close dock , near l y eighty acres will still remain, sufficient for two more close docks, with space for a wharf of full half a mile in extent on the shore of the Itchen, that river affording shelter and many of the resources of a dock. In submitting this view of the great capacity of the land possessed by the Company for every description of com merce, the Directors beg to assure the Proprietors that they are not unconscious of the magnitude of the works necessary to carry out the whole design, and they feel forcibly the claim upon their prudence, to proceed with care and caution in committing the Company to an outlay of capital, nor are they regardless of the announcement they have already made of their intention to complete the Western Duck first. They cannot, however, in justice to their trust, refuse to attend to the strong appeal to their judgment arising from the progress of steam navigation, and they therefore feel assured that the Proprietors will leave them unfettered to pursue such a course as to the order of progression in which the works shall be carried on, as they may deem best calculated to meet the conve nience of the public, and to become most beneficial to the Company. Further contracts have been made for materials, particu larly for a large supply of gravel and other soil, for the embankments, and the cash payments include the purchase of a cargo of timber now on hand. These supplies, to gether with the provision previously made, will enable the Directors to make effective progress during the coming season, if duly supported by capital, of which they cannot entertain any . doubt, when they advert, not only to the variety of considerations which combine to re commend the undertaking as a most beneficial investment, but to the cordial support which it has now receivedfrom Proprietors of the Losnee AND SOUTHAMPTON RAILWAY COMPAN V, and who enter the C our t o f Di rec tors fully se nsible of the identity of interest of th e two Companies. Not having hitherto required the use of more capital than they have had at their command, the Directors have not urged the payment of the call in arrear, by all the means the Act of Incorporation would- authorize, and they still trust that they shall be relieved from the ,Ki 7. I ance of an obnoxious duty, by the 4.1 et* •• . cheerful comP i ance of the Proprietors n a ca . the conditions or their engagement. Since the last meeting the call of 2/. lo s . ' •:ij z has been paid err 870 shares, and Si. per share ‘,14'4 ') deposit, and call on 192 shares since subscribed for: number of shares on which the call remains unpitld-lisl. 2,909, and the number y , lt to be subscribed for to complet e the subscription of 7,000 ,%hares is 508 shares. The Directors feel that so , soon as they shall hare re.. ceived the Report from the consu2ting engineer s , the dime for the most energetic prosecution E.! their duti es w ill have arrived. "That great work, the LONDON AN: SOUTHAMPTON RAILWAY, has so far progressed that 58 out of 77 miles are nearly completed, and the opinion is now general that Southampton will become a great commercial i'ort, a n d the claims of steam navigation upon the Company demand !, immediate attention. Sensible of the obligations which devolve upon them, and especially the claims of that portion of the Prop r i etary who have ena bl e d th em to bring the affairs of the Company j o L tieir precut desirable state, the Directors trust that at t h e i r periodical meeting they shall have the gratifica tification report satisfactory progress, and they are not without the ex neetatioi;of their having it in their pow er to show that an e.lrly reft:rn may be anticipated from seine part of the works. It may be added, as a mate. 'r of much interest to the Company, that Southampton ha. l the advantage of high water twice, under the following circt.:mstances :—The flood tide, running up the English Channe: from she westward in its full force, fills the river, and causo tbo first high water; the ebb tide then makes, and the vvaLer falls a little ; at a quarter ebb in the Channel, and when acquir ing its full force in shore, it passes between the IL'le of Wight and the main, meets the tide receding from the river, and forcing back the water, causes a second high water, sometimes higher than the first, at other times lower, as the stare of the wind may be. The time between the top of the first high water and the top of the second varies between two and three hours, and may fairly be considered as giving Southampton upon an average about two hours and a half high water beyond the usual period, or in effect eight hours and a half flood tide to three hours and a half ebb tide, a vast advantage in docking and undocking ships, and in the cranage of goods at the open quays and wharfs of the tidal docks and on the Itchen. JOSEPH LIGGINS, Chairman. Southampton Dock Office, London, Feb. 28, 1839. ABSTRACT OF RECEIPTS AND PAYMENTS. lIECEIPTS. li.posits on 5,921 Shores at 2/. !Os. per X. s. d. share 14,802 10 0 i'Lrst Call on 3,509 Shares at 21. 10.:. per shar.:. 8,772 10 0 Interest on `mils 36 3 9 Interest and pr i ,.fit on Exchequer Bills 270 6 6 Interest ev .I, 1 2 10 PAYMENTS. La w &Engineers' Charges, Parliamentary and other xpenses incident to the establishmentof the Com pany . 5,900 19 5 Office expenses, Secretary, Clerks, postage, Adver tising Agency and Mis- cellaneoi;s disbursements 1,818 5 4 Stationery and Printing.... 303 9 1 Law charges ... 621 7 3 Travelling Expenses 403 10 2 Allowance to Directors 867 2 6 Engineering 1,030 9 5 The Corporation of South- • ampton for the Deck Land 5,000 0 0 For the interest of several persons in certain Oyster coves. situate on the Dock Land .... 100 0 0 For the Leasehold Interest of the late William Lin tott, ia the Dock Land. 400 0 0 Fitzroy Blachford, Esq., first and second instal ment, payable under an agreement, dated Dec. 1, 1836, for the pur chase of stone in the Os borne Quarry The Contractor on account of work done and mate- £23,882 13 1 rials supplied... 1,500 0 0 Interest on Capital 238 13 11 £19,017 3 9 Invested in Exchequer Bills ....-£3,000 0 0 Cost... 3,075 0 0 Balance.. 1,790 9 4 4,865 9 4 23,882 13 1 The CHAIRMAN addressed the meeting at some length, pointing out the progress that had been made in the works, and the great advantages which the undeletaktng held out to the Proprietors. The following are the resolutions agreed to : Resolved—That the Report of the Directors, as now read, be received, and that it be printed and circulated among the Proprieters. Resolved—That the Directors be requested to call a Special General meeting as soon as possible, to receive the communication of the Report of the Engineers appointed to examine the plans submitted to them for the construe. tion of the Southampton Docks. Resolved—That Joseph Bushby, Henry Luard, and William Christie, Esqs., be elected Directors of this Com pany. Resolved—On the motion of Henry Luard, Esq., se conded by John Copland, Esq., that the cordial thanks of ' this Meeting be presented to Richard Heathficld, Esq., on his retirement from the office of Director, for the great de votion of his time aid attention in framing the provisions and maturing the arrangements by which the Bill of In corporation of the Southampton Dock Company was sue. cessfully carried through. Parliament ; for the ability, zeal, and persevering labour which have been so unremittingly bestowed by him in the promotion of the best interests of the Company, whereby the undertaking has been firmly established as a great work of national u tili ty and pre-emi nently entitled to public support. Resolved—On the motion of Wm. H. Pepys, E sq condel by John Ball, Esq. that the thank s et the. Pr oprietors Le given to the Directors for their indefatig. a bk ex ertions and great attention to the affairs of the Company. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. LIVERPOOL RACES AND STEEPLE CHASES. WEDN rsDAY. The following is an account of the two-mile heat. Steeple Chase left undecided on Tuesday, and finished this aternoon, with the Hurdle Race and Match: Sweepstakes of 10 sous. each, with 30 addod; for four years old, lOst, 1:21b ; five, llst. 91b ; six, and aged, R.lst. Two mile heats, over a sporting country. Gentlemen riders. The winner to be sold for 1001. ,if demanded, &c. 10 Sub- scribers. Mr. Thompson's br. m. by hra , rry, 4 yrs... Mr. Oliver 0 1 1 Mr. T. Ryan's b. g. Smike, 6yrs Mr. Jones's ch. m. Primrose, aged Mr. M`Donough's b. h. St. Nicholas, aged 0 0 4 Mr. Knaresborough's b. g. No Mistake, aged . 0 0 dis Mr. Webb's The Meteor, aged 2 dr Mr. Callaghan's ch. g. The Wanderer, 5 yrs... Mr. S. Johnson's b. h. Perseverance .. Mr. T. Rawlins'sly. h. Ilex dis Mr T. Scott's c m. Sw •etheart broke her neck Three capital heats; the last beautifully contested betwee n the first three, not a single mistake having h..en made at th ' :. fetich s. In the first heat there were several falls, and SVC heart broke Ler neck. : .et- A Hurdle Race Sweepstakes of 10 sous. each, with 50 added. Two miles. Gentlemen riders. Mr. Stevenson's True Blue Mr. Banker 1 Mr. Vn , era's Charity ............. 2 Mr. Hodson's Syntax .................. 3 Mr. Knaresbori ugh's Leander 4 A very fine race throughout. Handicap Simeepstakes of 5 !ovs. each, with 20 added. T. Y.C. Heats. Mr. Knaresbol - ough's*Leander,lost.loll)...Owner 4 2 1 1 Mr. Devine's Waverley, list. 21b Mr. M'Donough's Wanderer, 10st. 41b Mr. Speed's Bolivar, llst.'7lb b 1 Mr. Theobald's Paulina, Ilb ... 1 5 First heat won by three quarters of a length ; the second cleverly. This race is disputed. MISS PARDOE'S NEW WORK, " THE eo_ MANCE OF THE. HAREM."—The machinery by which the various tales in this work aro combined into one consistent wnole is, like the " Arabian Nights' Entertainments," a romance in itself, and not the least interesting in the col lection. The stories, which are skilfully embroidered on this canvass, are diversified in character and interest, though the uniform fidelity to the distinguishing usages and peculiar spirit of the Turks gives them a strong family likeness to each other. " The Seven Doors" is a laugh able display of the extravagant excess of Turkish jealousy, and of the enterprising ingenuity of Turkish love. L ove has- been said to laugh at Locksmiths, in all ages an d countries. Turkey, it would seem, forms no exception to the general rule ; but there is something novel in the cir_ curnstance of the captive fair-one making her lover's inge nuity not only the instrument of his success, but the con.. dition of his triumph. " The Pacha's Daughter" and " The Barber of Bassora" have both considerable merit as exciting narratives; and they possess, in common with all the others, the recommendation of being in strict con formity to the mental, moral, and material costume of the diversified .population of the O ttoman Em p ire. — Morning Post. Bell's Life in London and Sporting Chronicl e of To. morrow , will contain the best account of the LiNr pool Grand National Steeple Chase, accompanied f our t e en vetses, written expressly for the occasi on " by our amateur poet ; the Trial end Acquittal o f Owen Swift and Dutch Sam. The price of Bell's Life in London is sd. Publishe d re g ularl y in time .• to send off by the two o'clock Saturday afternoon Birming ham Railway. The sale of Bell's Life in London exceeds 20,000 copies, and is the most de sirable channe l for adver- tisements relative to sporting mat ters. rritE WEATHER.—The extreme sensibility of the skin has rendered the late weather, of alternate damp and frost, a severe infliction upon many ladies and gentl e men, who have comp lained of considerable cutan eous irri tability in the face. The extraordinary efficacy of R ° land's Kalydor i n alla y in g all tendenc y to inflam mation the skin, is no less esteemed than are its p e culiar virtues in in enhancing. the beauty of the complexiotL These whose face or han d s are at all unpleasantlyaffected by t h e weather should immediately have recourse to Row_ land's Kalydor. Mr. Abereroinbv and Lady Mary, en route for F rt .afort.on.the-Main, made a brief sojo urn • The Hon. Henry Fox made an exchange witlaNltt Paris. Mr. cromby, in consequence of the climate of Italy Aber_ agreeing with his lady. .c I • t i4i:" kk )vc ed in the itb ,te